20 Episode results for "Claremont Institute"

Matt Peterson

The Michael Berry Show

11:16 min | 3 months ago

Matt Peterson

"So there are a couple of places that i found increasingly over the last year that we find our best guests. Places isn't doing really really good. Were you probably know about hillsdale. Because they've partnered with conservative talk and they're doing a lot of good work especially educating people that are getting a little outside college age and wanting to think about the constitution what it means and you know that we do a e. I are the other day we had Teri macdonald from the f. e. e. there several of these organizations that are doing great work putting out good content as almost kind of a continuing education for good civics and one of them that keeps coming up. Is the claremont institute. Our guest is matt peterson. Vp of education at the claremont institute founding editor of the american. Mind matt if you would and you may have done this last time. You were here for people who don't know what the claremont institute is a keeps coming up as a source of good articles in good. Guess what is it. Well thank you for saying that. We are a forty year old think tank. That has a little different than others because it was never really involved in policy. It was always about promoting the principles of the american founding in contemporary life. So from the very beginning some of the best scholars on the american founding associated with the claremont institute You know a lotta. Your listeners will know About the progressives and the progressive movement. That was something that really didn't talk about until there was real scholarship about the history of america what had happened so defining kind of the ideas of the american right with something that the claremont institute is was was part of from the very beginning. In fact larry arnn. Hillsdale was president of the claremont institute at one point He's also a A claremont graduate student. Like many of us are Who studied political philosophy in american government. Program it doesn't exist anymore but it used to exist and was one of the few in the country that actually Actually did that. i think well And right but what we do now. Is we publish. We teach and relitigate so we publish the claremont review of books and the american mind Which i started two years ago. and we We litigated cases. In the supreme court. john eastman Has been at that for a while and we also teach so we bring together networks of the best young professionals and young leaders in the country and our fellowship programs and we bring scholars from all over the country people in politics from all over the country together to teach and that we're together and move things in the direction that we think we need to go. Would you ever believe that you could make a living doing something so fun. It's it's unbelievable. I- i- i remind myself Frequently is at its. It's almost ridiculous to get to get paid. I've done a lot of other things in my life and to be doing this is I a great challenge. Actually because the task before us is very serious but it is It is an amazing privilege to be paid to matt. Peterson is our guest. The article that caught our attention appears in the aforementioned of the american mind. A house dividing question bringing what is said in private into the open. What what is the reason you wrote this well for a long time. Now i've noticed As i'm sure Many many of you have I've noticed that there's there's to track conversation going on in america and You know usually when people talk about this. They'll say well it's deplorable people on the other half the other half of the country and you know they might talk about this but we wouldn't you know good good. Elite people wouldn't talk about this. What is this. It's how divided the country is in public. We we talk about division and You know all the rancor and we fight and all that but then private people talk about what's to be done about it. How bad is it really. And what will it lead to. And what i noticed it was that many working professionals on the right people who were very smart you know very well paid living in Different sectors of the american economy and tech and finance in big blue cities. I in fancy america. We're having very dark thoughts about where things are going and they this. This happens repeatedly amount. Meet someone and finance and say well. I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. The over financial ization of the economy. And i think you know it just seems like this could blow up in some way but you know what do i know. I am right about that. And they'll just look at me and say oh. Yeah i talk about that all the time. It could all blow up. You know you start to hear these kind of sentiments from people who are very accomplished to know things. Because they're doing things they're not you know these. These aren't pontificators. Writing and in the papers of people who are out there. And i think there's a lot of savvy folks who are thinking. This country is deeply divided and it's not headed in the right direction and at the More let's say normal local level You find a lot of people out in the country for whom right now saying. Oh yeah. there's probably going to be a civil war is a nonchalant statement. They'll just say that loud at the bar and you know may have been a joke ten years ago but now it's it's maybe not a joke and this is you know i know people thinking about leaving the country on the right. I mean so so this. Is this a serious discussion. And i think we publish this above all i because i don't like the idea of talking about something in private about how well this is really serious. What's going to happen. The country will a break up and then having a public conversation. That's kinda pretending. Everything's a little better than it is outside the political structure more sort of cultural and obviously on a base level financial. What's happening with the game. Stock game stop and amc and bed. Bath and beyond melvin capital. All that i see a lot of trends. I see a very aggressive lurch toward a strong populism that for years we saw on the left. And now we're seeing on the right and it's very interesting times where there is sort of an anti establishment since among everyone and there is this idea. It's very french revolution. In many ways that there is this idea that people have been repression. I think the worst thing you can do this is what the line of of the title bringing what said private into the open. You know i. I feel that this desire to suppress and sensor speech and thought and commentary on the basis that it is nazi or fascist or white supremacist. I think it ends very badly. I think it is very very badly because people who can't get their voice out they find other ways and those aren't always as harmless posting on social media pages. Absolutely i mean absolutely and and this is. This is the problem right now. The entire dynamic in the country is you know we won. we Kind of the the responsible people who are in charge one and everything's fine and everything's going to go back to normal and trump was really the problem right and we are just gonna make sure that everything goes back to normal and we're going to force you to acknowledge that everything is going back to normal dammit and here. They are in a You know in a militarized capital with no citizens an inauguration and you know. I was sitting there watching that and it very much related to these articles published the separation because i thought to myself the imagery here forget about where you think about the politicians. Just the imagery is. This is one political class alone. Surrounded by soldiers celebrating the triumph of democracy on inauguration day and the image you have is. You're not there. It's you against them and this is very dangerous for any regime. Once you this is in fact why. The left promotes all the stuff. This is why they need to divide everyone by race because the terrifying ideas that if really the many i mean all all the people the majority of people ganged up against the rich right. I mean that's a. That's a tough dynamic. In in many societies without a middle class that leads to radical instability. And so so here. We are with You know this this problem. And and they're they're making it worse by almost saying no. We are elite class. And we will tell you what to say and do and the more they do that the more the rest of america is is also going to double down and i think the great lie was that you know we get rid of trump and everything would be fine. I think the opposite is the case without trump. you're going to see a rising populism that you know we'll be dangerous itself because people just don't care they see. Look it's all phony. The the laws don't make sense. Country doesn't make sense and this is serious and i really think we we are public discussion of it needs to become more serious because it's not alarmism to say we are entering some very dangerous territory and that is why we publish this because we had a thoughtful piece from a very accomplished Person who You know went to fancy schools and has fancy jobs. it was very successful in life Military as well patriot. Writing a piece. That said i think the only way to save america the author who went by the name rebecca which is I guess abraham lincoln's only student him that he used throughout his life. Now the author says we need to separate america in order to save it that we should We should change the constitution such that. We still have one military and one overarching government. But we kinda let two groups of states govern themselves as they want and then hopefully we could come back. Together is his argument. And it's the it's the only way to save the situation because he says we're actually two countries already. We have fundamental disagreement so he sort of says separation But not total divorce with the hope of the couple of coming back together. And i thought that was an interesting thoughtful argument I think there's some problems with it but But it was very interesting and so we published it along with some others. Matt peterson. you are an interesting and thoughtful guest. I only wish we had more time to talk. Come back anytime. He's the vice president of education at the claremont institute. Which as you heard is doing great work. Founding editor of the american mind and the piece that we talked about is posted to our blog. Michael berry show dot com. Thank you sir thank you.

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Matt Peterson

The Michael Berry Show

26:52 min | 7 months ago

Matt Peterson

"Computer, Sohn is vice president of education at the Claremont Institute and editor of the American mind. He Directs Clermont's annual fellowships and heads an initiative for a new center to Support Graduate Level Scholarship. Imagine that taking back academia I love it. We're GONNA. Talk about an article he just wrote in the American mind but I I have noticed and I posted about this last week and I had a number of folks tell me. They wanted to know more about this in as a result I have noticed Claremont Institute coming up again, and again in the way I, remember first hearing about Hillsdale and not in a sponsored way people talking about they're working on this project for Clairmont or Clermont is doing this or doing that and it's good work. So can you talk a little bit about what the Claremont Institute is meant? Absolutely. So Clermont Institute is about forty years old. And it was founded by my graduate students believe it or not at a different time WHO we're studying political philosophy and American government they loved. America they saw there was a real problem in politics with a lot of people just. Speaking, about things they didn't know anything about when it came to the principles of the American founding and the Claremont Institute was really founded by graduate students argue in the Public Square and educate. Young people about the principles of the American founding and apply them to contemporary political life now, the Claremont Institute over time. Larry Arnn. In fact, from Hillsdale is Clare Monster as we call ourselves he got his degree from Claremont and he was president of the Claremont. Institute. For some time our our graduate studies program in Clermont has lots of. People out there doing great work but the Claremont Institute was really more educational focused throughout its life. And I think in the present moment what happened was because we stayed out of policy and we weren't sort of in bed with establishment republicanism when trump came along, we I'll I'll just say I think we understood what was happening we describe what was happening in a way that shocked a lot of a Republican friends, and throughout the last four years we've been very busy trying to explain analyze what's happening in. America because we think we're. In a very, very serious situation and so right now relitigate we we we send out MEKA speaks to the Supreme Court that have been very influential and we we right Claremont review of books as a fine publication and I think the finest in America. It comes out four times a year. The American mind at American Mind Dot Org has been very active and influential in the in the in the last eight years year or two. And we teach and we bring in people from across young leaders from across the country and we educate them on the principles. The American founding all expensive undertakings is donor driven where do you? How do you raise the money to to to do all of this? Is Donor driven and we are small in fact I have I have to say I have looked enviously at the large budgets the DC tanks and Kinda the legacy projects out there on the right and sometimes I wonder what exactly they're doing with their money we're five to six million dollars a year and that's our operation so we're very tiny compared to everyone else but we we depend in thrive on donor dollars and I have to say there have been some people Stepping up because they see the moment they see what we're doing. They see the energy that we have We're a little younger team here than a lot of other outfits and we're doing a lot with a little. That is. You know it's interesting with with organizations like this. You tend to spend what you have in where you don't you get clever but I would think there's some folks out there who would say you know industrialist we used to call him who would say you know I'd get to operate in a free market economy I. Love Capitalism it's worked for me you folks are promoting that. I would think there would be I would think that dollars would just flow in I know nobody likes to give easily, but it seems like such a great cause. Yeah I. think There's a there's some evidence that that is beginning to happen if people realize who we are and what kind of influence we're having we've certainly been growing and You know I mean I I I'm not focused on development or asking people for money. I'm focused on getting things done and there's a lot to do as you know right now in America and so I I I I do firmly believe though that if you focus. On accomplishing what needs to get done people do come out of the woodwork and they say I see what you're doing and they'll they'll support it and we appreciate that and I appreciate what I think is a new class of donors who are just sending money to the same old. Infrastructure that kind of got us into this predicament but they they're looking for signs of life and and I would say probably that I think Clermont, you'll see lots of signs of life because we're we're doing a lot these days Matt Peterson is our guest. He's written a piece entitled ending the. Revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I'M GONNA. Read one paragraph and ask you to take off from there. The black lives matter yellow movement has found a way to weaponize this visceral American version to racism. The fact that America is not racist and Americans therefore both resent and fear being called Racists Blm uses the charge of systemic racism as a way of blackmailing their opponents to get what they want, what do they want to change the system itself of course, speak to that if you would matt. Yeah well, there's there's two aspects to this and one is I think people get fearful as soon as you? We start talking about VM racism, etc. Why? Because everyone knows that it's the worst thing you can be called racist is the worst thing you can be called in contemporary discourse in public life you can lose your job. You can be persecuted in various ways ostracized from your community. No one wants to be called racist and Americans of all people they don't like racism. We despised that we find it repugnant and we don't want to be called racist and we know there's there's real punishment for that and of course, whatever racism means that's an interesting question that. The, right needs to get clear on everything's being called racist this point. So. So you know we were afraid of being called racist. So, what does the Olympic we'll blacklist matter comes in. And they of course, the name itself right is Genius I. Are you against Black Lives? Do you think black lives don't matter of course? Not We're Americans. We think we're all created equal all lives matter. So therefore, black lives would be part of that. But what they do with the name itself, and then with their tactics is say, well, here's the problem. It's not just one or two people being racist it's whole system that's racist and if that's true, then that system has to change and they do this with the language of the Civil Rights Movement. But of course, the problem is they do not believe in the. Principles that the civil rights movement as elucidated in Martin Luther King's famous speeches. For instance You know everyone's mind they don't believe in that at all they they have a a racial is view of justice. They want law take race into account. They don't want equality under the law Their policies are very much about re undermining the system as it exists and People. people roll their eyes. When you say it, I don't know why they're actual children of the of the Marxist of the sixties and Seventies. Airs the Black Power Movement and what they want is is really a kind of wild and Kooky racial version of of Marxism Communism. And they they don't make no bones about this and yet we're we're supposed to cower in fear because we don't want to be called racist by them and you see this especially, I have to say with politicians politicians who should know better on the right who are very quiet throughout the events of the summer because they were unwilling to come. Out and say, of course I believe that black lives matter because I believe that all lives matter because American but this organization black lives matter is a different thing and in fact, they believe in some evil ideas that the rest of us don't believe in the black community doesn't even believe in such as defunding the police and therefore I condemn and renounce them. Notice, of course, on the left no one's going to say that and they're tacitly just in support or or explicitly and support, and then the right you still have this. This fear to come out and make these distinctions and call out with this movement really about. Fear. It is fear and it is. No one wants to take a principled stand for fear that they be painted a racist. Just, go along and I think of Mitt Romney walking in a be limb parade and and the the the consequences of that the meaning of that we're going to continue our conversation with Peterson coming up in just a moment. Quick Reminder if you'll go to Michael Berry show dot com that's our official website, and while you're there by your official Michael Berry show gear and wear it proudly, we appreciate you. That's all it Michael Berry show dot, com. Matt Peterson is our guest. A He's written in the American mind entitled ending the. Revolution, bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. I want to pick up where we left off in the last segment with a sentence that is at the end of one of your progress under the cover of the old civil rights movement be in is smuggling into our political discourse, an agenda more akin to that of the fringe Marxist black power movements in the sixties and seventies then to the actual political positions of the vast majority of black people in America today do you think that this was? A militant blacks who became Marxist or do you think this is Marxists who saw a civil rights he sort of movement it's really more about anger and violence. Where do you think this started to end up where it is today? Well, it's a combination of things because I don't one hand you have. You know you're kind of young young kids if you take the founders of black lives, matter who go to. colleges and learning their you know black studies, programs, cultural studies, programs, these kind of watered down Marcy ideas from the seventies and they idolize You know radical leaders domestic terrorists really. and so you do have individuals who grew up actually listening to the propaganda there in school and taking it very seriously and becoming activists. And that's that's all true but they're not able. To do what black lives matter did unless you have a lot of really wealthy left-leaning. Foundations. Looking to support these kinds of movements to further a really radical leftist agenda and this is something. That the right just hasn't done a good enough job in fighting I. mean there's a whole network of foundations with a whole boatload of money that immediately saw the Hashtag black lives matter and they saw that it was it was run by especially, these three women who are extremely Activists. And don't really represent your average black American at all but they they leap onto that and then they flooded with money they support it. There's a network of support throughout the country and you have this whole infrastructure it really that's pushing this movement because the because why? Because they know that Americans aren't racist right? Most people the movement has purchasing power because people don't want cops out there shooting people on account of the color of their skin. And so they saw the opportunity to really it's what it's a few videos of summer. That they discover for the last seven or so years, and they try to find these examples where you get some video something happens it looks terrible looks racist and then they promote the hell out of it whether or not You know it's true or whatever the context is. And then whether they want out of it, well, defunding the police is a good example right over eighty percent of black Americans don't want to defend the police. In fact, in a lot of areas, they want more police they want just you know just police action, but they're not the this is this is crazy and it's not crazy to the activists. Mine law enforcement as it is and what do they WANNA put in its place they wanna put in a a racial is version of justice. In other words I woke tribunals as I call them they want people to be judged in an illegal setting based on their their their demographics. And I it's unbelievable that it's come so far. So I would say you have two things the educational system that would allow for these activists sort of A learn all this stuff, invite it over the years, and then you have this larger. Group of organizations that have a lot of money on the left that are looking for people like this to push movements like this to an actor agenda you quote Toe Fernandez in the ANTIFA lamb industrial complex and saying that the elite enablers must be called out and shamed. That's that's corporations. Isn't it? I? Mean they've how well-funded is this to the extent that is a single organization or a movement or a bank account? How well funded is this in WHO's funding? This is this is the question a question that really a lot of people in media investigative journalism should be asking and looking for the answer to what's astounding is. How many people out there and your audience know who the founders of black lives matter are I mean how many times have you seen them interviewed or pressed to denounce the violence in the streets were asked if they support violence you don't see them at all because they they really live in the shadows and they're protected. By this entire complex, the way in which they set up their organizations. Is Complicated and that allows them plausible deniability. They can say look if this is not one movement it's it's a lot of different movements. It's a lot of different organizations and it's not just one big bank account out there and there's not just one you know centralized structure. This is an organic movement of the people. Now, of course, it's not but they do they stay structure their organization. So it's very hard to see the flow of. Money and where the money's coming from and it's going to, and this is This is something that really only a few people have been working on the last few months and what you do see when you pay attention to it and do some research on it is that they have an enormous amount of money. Now, right hundreds of millions of dollars for sure has been has been raised at least pledged by especially large corporations if not billions. So you're not gonNA hear these. What we just did is fund this entire movement. That's what this summer the accomplish summer. And so then you have to ask yourself okay wh who's giving them the money outside of this kind of low liberal foundations. well, the answer is, as as you say, these corporations who are broadcasting virtue signal wing to the world that there woke and they support they support this movement, and so they're pledging however many millions of dollars. At sometimes they tell you exactly who they're going to give it to for instance, Jack confounded twitter gave ten million dollars to a man. Mr. Who is one of the worst thinkers I think on this issue racist I in my opinion Gay just gave him ten million dollars and said here you know here you go and I'm going to announce this to the world. And this guy is promoting all kinds of wacky doctrines you know in public and he has a lot to power now so. The truth is we don't know exactly. How much money and how a lot of these organizations even are structured we don't know how they're using their money, but the results of the riots this summer I think speak for themselves and we can expect a lot more of that because now they have hundreds of millions of dollars. If not billions we're talking to Matt Peterson and if you can hold I'd like to keep you one more segment and talk about this. Church. Matt Peterson is the vice president of education at Claremont, institute, and editor of the American mind, and we're talking to him about a PC's written in the American mind ending the BLM revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on. We're talking about the funding for Blm and and you use a frightening number of hundreds of millions of dollars. You know. It would scare me if obviously that that's an amount of money in the hands of some really bad people and that sort of scary you know you, you could you could equip an army with that. But where do you see them spending that money? It seems to me that the opportunity is rife for it to be squandered you know are are they are they leasing nice office space that doesn't scare me are they producing nice videos I, haven't seen that Are they giving it to politicians? I haven't seen that where would it scare you the most for them to spend the money and do you have any sense of where they are spending the money? Yeah that's a good question. I think I think there's probably to places that scare me the most one is they're going to set up and are they're slowly building a political project that's going to hide their radicalism. So I would predict that you know to the extent possible. They're going to try to hide how radical their agenda is they took down from their website, their their Marxist principles of. You know being against the traditional family and You know graphs about. Trans and queer stuff that you know. I guess interesting but it's not really a concern for a lot of their core audience supposedly they got rid of their radicalism wiped it from the website. Their political project is going to come out and it's going to be slick. They're going to have lobbyists they're going to have You know a kind of a front facing activism that it makes something like the fund the police probably use better words with better consultants next time and and they'll talk about social justice and they'll start pushing that woke agenda with money become slick more political. And they will have money to dangle in front of politicians and they'll different ways of putting that and they'll proposed kind of public private partnerships like I could see for instance, schools they could. Modify model education, curriculum activism programs that schools can across the country There's all kinds of shenanigans they can do on on the kind of the front facing political side. And then even worse I think that that worst fear is that we're not done with riots and violence in America, not by a long shot and I don't think it matters who wins the election because a lot of folks were talking about don't particularly appreciate Biden and they'll put pressure on the Democrats the establishment Democrats to do what they want. And if you know in the case of Biden wins, a lot of them will go into the administrative state of the bureaucracy and they'll. They'll start rearranging the deck chairs there. And in order to get what they want, they're always going to need the people in the streets and what we've done over the course of the last nine months is allow the threat of violence to rise in America politically, and I just don't see anyone letting go with that, and if you have money you can you can easily get a lot of folks who are unemployed during the virus or who are you know College kids who are interested in activism. You can start to deploy them in ways that become increasingly targeted, and we already see this right people are going to end up outside of politicians. Homes increasingly has already begun across. America. That's one of their tactics. They'll be these random you know terrorizing of diners and all that kind of stuff is going to increase because it hasn't been stopped and it's given them a lot of power. So. When you have an influx of cash like that, you're able to organize these kinds of these kinds of movements from the inside and you know so far they haven't got an eight trouble for really. So so expect that to increase large scale whenever they feel they need to to pressure people into bowing before them when you look at their power when you look at their ability to act change whatever that change may be. Do you think it is because they will do do you think it's the pure intimidation or do you think that Democrats are afraid that they have a sufficiently large audience of sympathizers that you don't want to cross them? I think it's a combination of the two. So for some Democrats, there's no doubt that this is useful, right? It's politically useful to have a force that will show up in the streets I. mean that is political power. And that will threaten people and make others uncomfortable. That does give political power directly to some democratic politicians but I think also you're you're correct that there are other Democrats out there who are more your establishment types, a lot of them are older. And I think more reasonable in some ways and they look at this and they say I cannot touch this at all because the last thing I want. Are these people showing up at my door and? People who in right should realize that they do show up at Democrats doors So in Los Angeles. Where Los Angeles County. which I hope to leave along with many other people soon, The Gay Jackie Lacey is a black woman black. Her husband is black as well. She's a she's too liberal but she she prosecutes people for crime and so black lives matter went after her. As if she was a Republican and camped out in front of her door for for so long on harassed that couple so badly that. Her husband got in trouble for brandishing a gun. As I think any American would do in the situation at them from door when they they started to get increasingly belligerent he got in trouble of course not the crowd and they are going to try to get her out of there. So that's a good example of a democratic politician who Simply wants to enforce the law. And they'll go after her as well. So so there's no doubt that Democrats are afraid well, well an and it seems to me they were playing footsie's at the beginning of this process, Kamala Harris making a plea for donations to get some of these folks out of jail. So they could get back out on the streets which we know they did because they got arrested again, but it's it's like the old Chinese. Proverb if you ride a tiger, it's hard to get off the various versions. But at some point, they have to dismount from this tiger that I think Democrats thought they were gonNA benefit from, and now it's become dangerous Jenny Durkan in Seattle they came to her home Ted Wheeler in in Portland Larry lightfoot. Lori lightfoot. In in Chicago, you have these various politicians who played footsie's with this organization until it turned on them. Yeah I think that's an interesting dynamic, and if there's any hope here, you would. You would. You would hope that at some point they're able to stand up at least behind the scenes and say something but you know I have to say I I am doubtful that without the right becoming more vocal. In calling this out in front of the American people at the Democrats will or the left will change because so far you're right I mean you know Laurie lightweight and Chicago doesn't like it when people show up at her house and she's GonNa stop that but is she really going to condemn you know violence in the movement wholesale maybe you're right we've seen a turn where they sort of realized we do have this tiger by the tail and we can't let go but we don't like This. But at the same time I mean look Biden shed a few things about violence being wrong Harris I mean she is she has said even less and they do not want to call out this organization and and look frankly nor do Republicans. Right. So until we can actually call this out explicitly all the time in in public especially politicians on the right I just I just don't see how it's going to stop the other aspect to it is beside shining a light on it, which is a must. The other aspect is, of course. Law Enforcement is actually when when there are laws being violated, law enforcement is going to have to act and when you look at what we've seen you know what I like to say is especially with Antifa but also with black lives matter the both of them combined they also, they often worked together. At what I like to say, this is not gonNA stop until it stopped. And what I mean by that is these are the sorts of activists. These are sort the people who the minority of people out there in America, but they gotta sorts of people who are going to continue to do what they've done and break the law until someone actually physically stops. and. That has to be law enforcement in America and so. You know I think that there's been some some places some regions have have really. Done a good job in turning the tide and saying, no, we're not going to allow this year. but but you know the the jury's still out on what we're GONNA do so both two things need to happen. We need politicians who clearly distinguish between what's acceptable and what's not when it comes to protesting, and then when it comes to harassment and violence, and then we're gonNA eat law enforcement that's willing to take the slings and arrows up the other side, which is gonNA say they're being they're being terrible and unjust and enforce the law. I think you're right. Matt Peterson. Is Vice President of Education Claremont Institute and Editor of the American mind you're a great guest comeback and see us Matt. Thank you so much for having me. You got it.

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Seth Barron

The Michael Berry Show

07:44 min | 2 months ago

Seth Barron

"A piece that appeared in the american mind in february begins a curious turn of phrase slipped into discourse over the last few years references to quote unquote. Our democracy turn up all the time lately and even though a computer search shows that the phrases popped up now and then since at least the nineteen twenties its usage has increased a lot recently. It's something that many people probably haven't noticed and it certainly innocuous enough. Our democracy hardly seems fraught with controversy after all. We all have a stake in the political system and it sounds like a nice way to describe the republic. The common thing we share on the other hand it's striking to notice who uses the phrase. Why should you care. That's the reason. We're talking to seth to seth baron his the author of the peace which we posted to the blog entitled. What is our democracy when the left claims something is. There's they mean it. He's a writer and managing editor at the american mind and an author of the upcoming book last days of new york which will hit in. May seth. why should we be concerned with the term our democracy. What does this mean. Well you know just looking at it. Neutrally we shouldn't really be concerned about it at all. I mean it is something that you know. Presumably we all share in common It's the republic. It's something that hours. But i don't know if anyone else's notices but over the last couple of years especially since trump came into office we hear a lot about attacks on our democracy and then after the capitol hill riot. And you know in january. You know the so-called insurrection. We heard being talked about all the time as a direct attack on our democracy and of course we heard this throughout the russia. Investigation that the russians were You know imperilling. The elections and at stolen the elections and there was another attack on our democracy And it's just a curious thing that you only hear from the left Nancy pelosi says that. Ilan omar says it Basically everyone all the democrats repeat us. And i was thinking about it and it and it seemed like when they're talking about our democracy they really mean it. It's it's a democracy anything that i mean. They kind of have a sense of ownership and like a proprietary relationship to Basically you know what you might call the regime like what what's going on in the country right now and so anything that opposes. It is really an attack on them. You know so that something yesterday. And i don't remember who wrote it but it was talking about how what we've witnessed over the last few months really over the last year with the pandemic is this glamorization glorification of government as a comforter a caretaker As as we go into our individual decline of of poor health financially and physically and this idea that the government is powerful. Is that what you think. They mean by. Our democracy is really our government. I you know. I think you're onto something there i and and it's funny because it speaks to something i noticed yesterday The new senator. The senator from georgia jon ossoff. He tweeted out. he's like well. Thanks to the voters of georgia. The senate has just the most generous you know bailout or recovery act or whatever they call like one point nine trillion dollars and i thought it was so funny that he said he called it. Generous generosity indicate that someone is giving something that his to someone else out of the goodness of his heart and presumably something that will affect him. the idea that a senator is being generous or that the senate is being generous to the american people by you know issuing two trillion dollars worth of debt in our name. It really spoke to the perverse in which the left views the people and the left views the government. It's exactly what you were just saying. this isn't jon ossoff money. He's not being generous. The senate's not being generous generous to spend other people's money So yeah it's very strange Relationship is exactly. It's like benefactor to supplicant. My angelo famously. Said when someone tells you who they are believed them. There is the old greek notion that the logos which meant law and language gives us such an insight into into what we mean by how we say it. This language washington post used. The word set said the biden plan was showering money on the american people as if it was cleansing and healthy unhappy in virtuous it's a very disturbing set of terms when in fact they're actually just returning people's money to them but i think your point is the language these people are using is attempting to co-opt the very concept of government from being that which all of us share to that which their tribe shares and their actions reflect. Exactly that mentality. I couldn't say. I couldn't have said it better and especially the idea that showering it's really like like a king You know throwing coins from his balcony. That's the that's literally the way they see it that they are dispensing the booze And what it what it means is that we need to be grateful and and obey. There's i mean an and in the context i mean normally. I guess you could say oh. That's just political rhetoric but given everything that's happened in the country over the last year. It's it's actually kind of frightening. I think it is an in it. It's sort of reflects a consistency of thought and vision. That should disturb people because these are not. They are arriving at separately. It is as if they are reading from the same talking points and that should concern people A great deal. This is a wonderfully written piece. Seth unfortunately up against a break We're going to have you back Seth baroness is associated with the claremont institute. And i got to say we've never had a bad guests from the claremont institute we've posted the peace and we'll have him back to talk about his upcoming book last days of new york very soon. Thank you my man thank you.

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Ben Weingarten

The Michael Berry Show

17:29 min | 3 months ago

Ben Weingarten

"China is in the news. A lot and many people myself included feel that we should be more concerned and perhaps people are as to the influence their exerting in this country and their desire for much more It is it is nothing short of frightening. What the intentions of the chinese communist party. Clearly are an inroads. They've already made been winegarden. Has been a guest of ours before. He's a federalist senior contributor. Senior fellow at the london center for policy research fellow at the claremont institute. His latest article in the federalist about china says in its opening china wants the west to know it loves openness inclusiveness in cooperation. Their dictator said at the world economic forum. Recently that's the same man. Who is perpetrating. The genocide and working to crush freedom from hong kong to taiwan and far beyond ben. What should scare us most about china. I think the thing that should scare us most about china. The opposite side of the coin is that we should be scared of ourselves. Our own reaction to them. And what i mean by that is china has laid out very clearly that it wishes to be the dominant world power which means supplanting the us. Achieving dominance in every single strategically significant realm in business in technology in genomics. That article speaks in military affairs in diplomacy and beyond and america's response to that is twofold. One we don't we not only don't care about being the dominant world power but we're mired in woke ism national self loathing trying to destroy our history apologizing for all the values and principles on which our country is founded and at the same time we have our own china envy where our elites our ruling class wants to have the same power over the public as the ruling chinese communist party and is in bed with the chinese communist party so in effect the the thing that just scares the most is the percentage of people at the commanding heights of american society who are on board with the chinese agenda of becoming the dominant world power and actually aiding abetting and enabling that rise. So i had a guest last week. Who pointed out the chinese controlled ninety seven percent of antibiotics in this country. And you think to yourself. How did we get to that point. You know if if i started buying up stock in a company at five percents that would be a trigger by twenty five percent. The world would know if you were buying stock in a basic company. You couldn't do that overnight. How wh- when you're talking about a stock of something so critical to the nation's health literally how on earth have they made such inroads in this manner it. It's a great point and you can see to antibiotics in. Virtually every strategically significant area that impacts our life and limb the information telecommunications infrastructure and the entire information infrastructure that our economy is increasingly based on and not to mention of course hollowing out our industrial base while china has dominated in that realm and make many of the critical components that exists not only into billion technologies but in our most important military hardware as well. So how did this happen simply put. I would describe it in fold at way. China focused like a laser on dominating in all of the areas that eight new were required to be the dominant world power and that would give it leverage and power and influence over everyone else using this free and open trade architecture and financial architecture largely built by maintained by and defended by the united states. So they were. They were adept in terms of exploiting our weakness i in effect of openness and freedom and then on the other hand exploiting the greed and naievety on our side if you wanna look at it from the most idealistic sorta perspective. The the view of policymakers was free. Trade is a great thing because it drives down the prices of goods and it lets resources be freed up to go and be put to their highest and best use. America can can focus on moving up the value chain and becoming the high tech leader the information economy dominant player. And we'll let china take pick up all the rest of the slack where we dominated but it turns out that the hard parts of the dumb parts of the infrastructure in terms of the components that actually go into everything that we use in terms of the pipelines over which information runs in terms of our medicine itself and all manner of technology also around the health space is actually quite vital. And you see that. Most in a crisis like the corona virus crisis where the chinese communist party threatened to drown us in the sea of corona virus. Where the word they used through one of its communist mouthpiece publications in terms of not allowing those antibiotics to come here of course they also hoarded personal protective equipment and then handed out to the rest of the world shoddy personal protective equipment while it horrid the working functional equipment. So there's chinese. Being laser focused strategically the chinese communist party being strategically wade laser focused on dominating in these areas. Then there's our side perfectly ripe to be exploited if we're solely focusing on the short term economic impact of opening up this vibrant trade with china. And then there's the aspect of how china actually dominated over these decades which in large part involves using the full force of the chinese communist party to dominate. And his room so the perfect example of this being wildly for example and china has provided billions of dollars in financing for wild way. It is allowed while way to essentially run it. Losses undercut competition sell products at bargain basement prices in order to drive out the competition and buy it up because chinese communist party backed entities at the end of the day. Don't really operate in terms of the laws of economics. They really operate in terms of the laws of war. And that means that for the ccp dominating in these realms means that they can run businesses and losses essentially in perpetuity until they picked up all the market share. It's like if i if every industry to every single chinese back company strategically significant sector is essentially amazon accepted amazon backed by the chinese communist party. Well and this is the question. I want to begin the next segment with. I'll read our read. The line increasingly what was always implicit about the nature of chinese quote unquote business. That there's no line between where private business begins in. The state ends is becoming explicit as their leader consolidates his power overtly takes ever-greater control over the chinese economy. What i wanna come back and talk about is. It's not just that we're dealing with a state rather than individual companies within a state. It's that that state is also financing a military. That should concern us. We'll continue this conversation coming up. Ben winegarden is our guest. He's a federalist senior contributor senior fellow at the london center for policy research and a fellow at the claremont institute. We're talking about an article. He wrote for the federalist about china and as we went to break. Been my last point reading from your piece. I'd like to add another sentence from here. And i'll let you take it from there. It is long past time america. Stop thinking about its commercial relations with china in terms of doing business with the normal power and separating such business from strategic concerns. You sort of alluded to what others have been talking about. Which is we're basically doing. Business with a state not individual companies within a state and that state is is indistinguishable from a very aggressive military. Right absolutely right. And what i'm trying to get at there is. You'll know that. America and what remains of the free world is serious about its dealings with communist china when it stops talking about business and commerce with chinese companies as being about normal status quo business and commerce with companies as if it was in britain or australia or anywhere else across the world. We're dealing with the power which seeks to be the dominant world power which exerts myriad. I'm in total control in effect and in practice over any entity that operates strategically significant space. And yes there are. These purportedly legal distinctions between state owned entities companies that receive state financial backing companies. That just happened to do some work. With the people's liberation army and in in china and then purportedly private companies like they claim. Weiwei is a private company that's owned by its employees even though you can go back and the records and you can look at the ties of course in all of these organizations to the chinese communist party with the executives and all the major company is being members of the chinese communist party and that really means something that's not insignificant that means direct control on top of the state itself embedding its own councils and actually increasingly a controlling operational decision making within most of these companies but even stepping back from that you are not operating in communist china and able to become a dominant player in any space in the economy without the implicit if not explicit of the party because the party is dominant and the party cannot allow anything to challenge its rule as for this point you make about the military link here. China pursues a strategy of military civil fusion. Which is essentially we. Always we hear a lot about jargon about dual use is how you have a civilian application to technology and then potentially a military application the entire china's economy is essentially a dual use every single innovative effort that they make they steal intellectual property ultimately may be used by the chinese. Communist party's army. The people liber people's liberation army. And let's be i. It's worth repeating that the pla is the chinese. Communist party's military. It is not china's military so what does the military specifically to defend the party and its prerogatives and so what you see is and what. I try to argue here. Is that when you're doing business with any chinese entity. You're really doing business at the end of the day with the chinese communist party and they are making this evermore explicit they have national security laws so called laws. They really have the rule by law. They're not the rule of law but they're national security laws and regulations essentially. Say that if the chinese communist party is national security apparatus says we need to collect information from you or access or technology or speak to certain individuals within your company. You have to be a completely open book. So it's pretty explicit that anything under the guise of national security can be collected hoover it up and exploited and leveraged ultimately by the ccp. All of which is to say when we do business with china it has to be understood that you're doing business with the power that ultimately wants to dominate you then almost every single strategic thrust is directed towards that end. And so this isn't just normal course of business trade and until we're oriented that way in our own mind as a country we're going to lose because the other side is laser focused on it and we think that this is just the the normal course and one of the problems in one of the reasons we got to this point in the first place is because for decades our leaders and this is across the business world across academia and of course in washington. Dc have all been on board with this agenda of greater integration and accommodation with the chinese communist party but that commerce gives it all the leverage the difference but one of the major differences between what we're dealing with now and the cold war is that the soviet union was not in inextricably intertwined in every aspect of our economic life. The chinese communist party in effect is it's true. And you know if i if i tell you in my analysis didn't happen but it does many days that there was a revelation this morning of a spy at a research laboratory at one of our major universities. You wouldn't have to think twice. You'd say i'm sure it was a chinese spy and it always is. We had that situation here in houston where we had spying coming out of the the consular the consular offices and they were spying on what was going on at the at the houston medical center. We're seeing spies repeatedly working for the ccp infiltrating the research departments of our country which is where a lot of our nation's research is done with at the behest of and and by the benefactor of of the federal government. It's very disturbing. It is clearly a strategic effort to spy on our research at our universities repeatedly such that. It's a pattern. it's it's what they're doing. It's absolutely right. They are focused on getting whatever advantages. They can in high tech in everywhere across the information's fear. And then beyond and that involves infiltrating and corrupting and leveraging our research institutions are academic institutions. And by the way this is even down to k through twelve school there confucius institutes that have been bandied about when it comes to colleges but it's even impacting curricula from k. Through twelve mike. Pompeii a former secretary of state has said that even down to the school board level. The chinese communist party seeks to cultivate relationships and sometimes it doesn't at all appear nefarious. And usually it's even better from the cpi side if they're one or two steps removed so it's obvious for example and you have definite cases of this that the doj has brought of chinese nationals with ties to the people's liberation army or intelligence services. Who come here to study under whatever pretense to come here to study actually working in strategically significant realms you know in high tech research and biotechnology in genomics and the like but then you have even worse. The corruption one step removed of funding researchers in america. Who are american citizens have been here. Their whole lives who take millions of dollars potentially like the head one of the most prominent researchers at harvard university who was arrested over this Charged with this. So you have the the actual chinese national who will infiltrate us then. You have the corruption of the chinese dollars which is used to impact americans and then you have the more subtle measures of influence writing letters arguing that you should advocate for certain positions. If you're a state legislator and you're talking about communist china so it runs the whole gamut from the top of the us federal government all the way down to the local municipal county state level as well and it's an every single area and that requires a comprehensive whole of government whole of society response to their whole of government holds society effort to ultimately dominate us. And so that's why one of the reasons. I keep hammering this issue home. Is you have to have an understanding of the warfare environment that we're in. Which is that one side is fully engaged. Our side began to be engaged on the trump administration. And i would argue the most essential thing that it did. In the national security and foreign policy space was to try to inform the american people about the nature of the ccp and all of its various efforts across a myriad areas. But that said this could all be unwound very quickly under a biden presidency. And as i've argued leading up to his presidency and then the early days there's no indication that we are not going back to something like the status quo of continued in engagement. I put that in air quotes here engagement with the chinese communist party which means continued invitation for them to eat our lunch. You're exactly right and on another occasion will spend some time talking about the efforts. The chinese made the made to undermine president trump some of them very successful been winegarden. Thanks for being our guest comeback again. Thanks so much and they really appreciate it.

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Racism in Choosing Who Gets the Vaccine | PM Show

The Michael Berry Show

1:11:02 hr | 3 months ago

Racism in Choosing Who Gets the Vaccine | PM Show

"In that time mocking load michael berry show is on the air. I'm only you spend about a minute and a half or two minutes on the football game. Because i'm so aggravated with the nfl. And what they've become. I would just say this. I do find it very amusing. Usa today see. There's two weeks in between the championship game and the super bowl and so that's where reporters who are board start digging into things to try to add texture to the stories and usa. Today some woman over there wrote an editorial late in the week. That said that. Tom brady hasn't been sufficiently punished for his support of donald trump. And it got the requisite attention half of it from people going. You're an idiot and half of it from people going. that's right. that's true he. He didn't because he supported the orange van. Bad and what it really what it really exposed was another one of these hysterical women who is so triggered by donald trump that long after trump is dead and gone decades from now. We'll still be miserable and suffering an awful set of hot flashes over their miserable lives just miserable human beings usually. They're not in a relationship because they can't be in a relationship they can't they. Can't you know to if you're in a relationship. You know that in order to do that you have to sacrifice right you have to give up part of yourself for the whole just like being a parent you have to sacrifice even more and these individuals are typically so broken. They don't love themselves. They don't like them so they hate themselves so they can't find someone else to love their never in happy married you ever noticed never knows this look at. How many people that served in the obama administration will now serve under biden who were single. And those who have a spouse the spouse is always somebody that's in the same industry they are which means. They only met the person because they were working on a campaign together and they were screwing each other. But i i digress. These are the most miserable mostly women and the men are the most effete you can imagine writing these think pieces. They are so bitterly anger angry. There was a woman she writes for the new york times me. See if i can find this real real quick. She wrote yesterday. How upset she was that that she she felt. She said she felt scared. Because because people were celebrating in tampa bay after after the win. Here's the new york times headline. She writes for new york times in tampa super bowl celebrations. Bring superspreader concerns. At least one police officer appeared to get knocked to the ground as a large group of fans shoved each other in the city of video. Oh my goodness it's so dangerous. You mean like antifa and blm strolling through washington dc over the weekend. One member telling cameraman that they're going to burn the city down but the new york times that wrote the headline in tampa super bowl celebrations. Bring superspreader concerns the same new york times after joe biden won a rollicking new york city. Celebration for biden's win. Well into the night. People cheered danced. Broke out champagne and honked horns in the city which is president trump's hometown but had turned on him. Oh somehow we weren't worried about super spreaders back then weren't we were we so these miserable people will still the joy of everything. They're not football fans but they won't have opinions on football. They're not people who serve in the military but they want to corrupt the military. They're not christians but they want to destroy the christian church and they will be only too eager to tell you that as a christian you shouldn't support donald trump. We're going to have to figure out how we're gonna live with these people in our country but one of the only ways we're going to make it is that we stop taking them seriously and we stopped letting them influence the direction of this nation. And that's going to mean some people. Listen when when you're raising your child and it's time to go whether they're on the floor of mcdonald's or grandma's living room and you say let's go we gotta go home and they pitch a fit if you at that moment go okay. I'll sit here until you're ready and three hours later. You're still sitting there and finally you get up to go and they squawk again and you can't live like that. It's not good for them. It's not good for you and it's no way to live. These petulant children are going to have to be taught a lesson. They can't run things when they scream. Research xenophobia you. Name it we're going to have to shut them down. We're going to have to cut them out of our lives. We're going to have to do to us what they've done we're going to have to do to them. What they've done to us marginalize them. You can't work at this business if you're going to have these opinions and screech about it because you will disrupt the operations you have long. Said the reason the left always wins is because they care more about winning. They will stop at nothing to win. A an extreme liberal can walk into a business. It has ten employees cohesive work environment. Most of them probably conservatives and the liberal will walk in and within a week. We'll say what's our policy on this. What's our policy on someone doing this. What's a month into it. The company's having meetings and having to draw new policies up and change everything and and flip over backwards to make this person happy. Why how about saying you know what you don't fit here. Things were going well. These are not happy people. These are not content people. These are not joyous people they find no happiness in anything if you let them take a knee next. They wanted determine the skin color of the coach. If you let them do that next they want to determine the skin color of the owner if you let them do that next. They don't want the sport played at all because everybody will get sick. It never ends. It's a sickness. It's a mental instability. And i'm sorry to say if you've ever been around anyone with extreme issues of mental health. You know that either they get help or you're going to have a problem because it only gets worse. It only gets worse. And that's what we're living through a national nightmare of this a national nightmare and we're we're going to have four years of it and then some and folks that think we're going to fix it with the next election did it get any better. Under trump trump wasn't the problem. These people are is on will done. So this is the michael berry show Else you probably remember the story we tell it often we fascinating about the fbi investigating louis louis or obscene lyrics. Well on this day of nineteen seventy sorry on this day in nineteen sixty four. The publisher of the song offered a thousand dollars to anyone who can definitively distinguish the dirty words. All right if if you tell me there are dirty words in the song which dirty word and win in the saw. Well we don't know what he's saying. Okay he kinda slurs when he sings jams it all together as hunter s. thompson will say it's all jangled up but that doesn't make them dirty words. Yeah yeah with. We're we're worried that it's going to. It's going to corrupt the youth which one which word which concept at what point. Well of course it was never paid out because they could never they could never determine that. There was obscenity in there. The song was actually written in nineteen fifty-five you probably know it as being a song by the kingsman but it was actually written in nineteen fifty five by richard berry based on a tune popularized by bandleader to say and as an influence of latin influence example of latin influence on popular music based on the song l. loco cha-cha which goes like this recording louis to this version the interesting on this day in nineteen fifty-six that frankie lymon in teenagers why do fools fall in love entered the aren beecher headline this morning breaking the biden administration is planning to launch a one billion dollar covid nineteen vaccine awareness campaign according to politico. Let's unpack that for a moment. Shall we first of all. They don't have enough vaccines for the people who are lining up to take them now. So why do we need to encourage more people to rush and get the vaccine when people right now are frustrated. They can't get the vaccine. There's two types of people people who want the vaccine. So they're upset. They can't get the vaccine fast enough and people who don't want the vaccine. I suppose the idea is to convince the people who don't want the vaccine that no no. You really need the vaccine. But what if there are people who've made calculations that they don't need the vaccine for reasons like they're young statistically speaking if you're a young person your likelihood of dying if you do contract it and if it does go full blown your likelihood of dying is so low unless you have a co morbidity and people with co morbidity is know that they have co morbidity so why are we trying so hard to convince people who don't want the vaccine that they need to take the vaccine. That seems odd especially when we're devoting so much time to who gets vaccine and win in the city of houston. I'm embarrassed to say our black mayor and sheila jackson-lee who to be black are very concerned that too many white people are getting the vaccine before black people and they're very very upset about this very upset. This is according to fox twenty six local station here in houston. We need to be a landmark intentional and directional houston mirrors investor turner. Passionate saturday equity has to be built into all of our strategies several local and state leaders raising their voices with claims of racial inequities with coronavirus. Vaccines were demanding. That you roll out the vaccine as a soupy rolled out to communities of color question is not only racial equity racial equality but it is racial justice the city of houston reporting forty three percent of vaccine recipients so for have been white compared to twenty one percent hispanic eighteen percent black in fifteen percent asian. We need spayed but we need equity otherwise people are color going to be on the back end and those numbers are can continue to go up the largest mega side vaccines in the state. Texas motor speedway in denton county. This last week giving out roughly thirty thousand shots ten thousand dollars per day been given to denton county ten four one site so in three days they get up to thirty thousand city of houston in six weeks. Gotta toll one thousand. A spokesperson from texas department of state. Health services says prior to this most recent week denton county was one of the counties that have been allocated the least doses for their percentage of the state's population adding denton county has received roughly ninety one thousand doses and total compared to almost six hundred seventy thousand doses in harris county. We know what communities the virus is spreading in therefore it's those communities that we are obligated to spend most of our effort and tie. There's a very interesting moment in that story. When sylvester turner the mayor of houston makes the statement that we need speed but we need equity otherwise black people are going to be the back on the back end of this and continued to spread the virus. So wait a second. If we know they're only x. Number of vaccines being sent out. And your point is i want to go into black people. Instead of white people because otherwise black people will be getting the virus. Your necessarily saying. I'd rather white people get the virus than black people. He's not demanding that a greater number of overall vaccine stocks be sent out just that black people get them before white people now when people start making arguments like this. This is racist. There is no word for this other than this is racist. The basis of having diversity in leadership is supposed to be that everyone feels like they're represented but some people see that diversity in leadership as when you get in there you favor our group. You would never hear white politician in this country. Say winning the white people mace vaccines. The white. people shouldn't have to get the virus. I wanna get this for the white people and then sheila jackson-lee in the background hooting and hollering. So why do we tolerate this. This is extraordinarily divisive. Why people here this comment and they're told don't don't don't complain. Just just sit quietly. How long does this continue until white people quietly at their own table. Say you know. Every time. when he's black guy gets in office that keeps saying. Take away from the white people in favor of the black people with the white politicians. Don't say that is reverse racism somehow. A solution to pass racism. Lucky you the michael berry show continues. China is in the news. A lot and many people myself included feel that we should be more concerned and perhaps people are as to the influence their exerting in this country and their desire for much more it is. It is nothing short of frightening. What the intentions of the chinese communist party clearly are and inroads. They've already made ben. Winegarden has been a guest of ours before he's a federal is senior contributor senior fellow at the london center for policy research and a fellow at the claremont institute. His latest article in the federalist about china says in its opening china wants the west to know it loves openness inclusiveness and cooperation. There dictator said at the world economic forum. Recently that's the same. Man who is perpetrating. The genocide and working to crush freedom from hong kong taiwan and far beyond ben. What should scare us most about china. Think the thing that should scare us most about china. The opposite side of the coin is that we should be scared of ourselves. Our own reaction to them and what i mean by that is china has laid out very clearly that it wishes to be the dominant world power means supplanting the us. Achieving dominance in every single strategically significant realm in business in in genomics as that article speaks to in military affairs in diplomacy and beyond and america's response to that is twofold. One we don't we not only don't care about being the dominant world power but we're mired in woke ism national self loathing trying to destroy our history apologizing for all the values and principles on which our country is founded and at the same time we have our own china envy where our elites our ruling class wants to have the same power over the public as the ruling. Chinese communist party in is in bed with the chinese communist party so in effect the thing that scares the most is the percentage of people at the commanding heights of american society who are on board with the chinese agenda of becoming the dominant world power and actually aiding abetting in enabling that rise. So i had a guest last week. Who pointed out the chinese controlled ninety seven percent of antibiotics in this country. And you think to yourself. How did we get to that point. You know if if i started buying up in a company at five percent there would be a trigger about twenty five percent. The world would know if you were buying stock in a basic company. You couldn't do that overnight. How when you're talking about a stock of something so critical to the nation's health literally. How unearth have they made such inroads in this manner it. It's a great point and you can see analogs to antibiotics in. Virtually every strategically significant area that impacts our life and limb the information telecommunications infrastructure and the entire information infrastructure that our economy is increasingly based on and not to mention of course hollowing out our industrial base while china has dominated in that realm and make many of the critical components that exists not only in civilian technologies but in our most important military hardware as well. So how did this happen. Simply put i would describe it in a twofold way. China focused like a laser on dominating in all of the areas that it knew were required to be the dominant world power and that would give it leverage and power and influence over everyone else using this free and open trade architecture and financial architecture largely built by maintained by and defended by the united states. So they were. They were adept in terms of exploiting our weakness in effect of openness and freedom and then on the other hand exploiting the greed and naievety on our side if you wanna look at it from the most idealistic sort of perspective. The the view of policymakers was free. Trade is a great thing because it drives down the prices of goods and it lets resources be freed up to go and be put to their highest and best use. America can can focus on moving up the value chain and becoming the high tech leader the information economy dominant player. And we'll let china take pick up all the rest the slack where we dominated but it turns out that the hard parts of the dumb parts of the infrastructure in terms of the components. That actually go into everything that we use in terms of the pipelines over which information runs in terms of our medicine itself and all manner of technology also around the health space is actually quite vital. And you see that. Most in a crisis like the corona virus crisis where the chinese communist party threatened to drown us in the sea of corona virus. Where the words they used through one of its communist mouthpiece publications in terms of not allowing those antibiotics come here of course they also hoarded personal protective equipment and then handed out to the rest of the world shoddy personal protective equipment. Wallet awarded the working functional equipment. So there's chinese. Being laser focused strategically the chinese communist party being strategically wage laser focus on dominating in these areas. Then there's our side perfectly ripe to be exploited if we're solely focusing on the short term economic impact of opening up this vibrant trade with china. And then there's the aspects of how china actually dominate over these decades which in large part involves using the full force of the chinese communist party to dominate in his room. So the perfect example of this being weiwei for example and china has provided billions of dollars in financing for way it is allowed while way to essentially run at losses undercut competition sell products at bargain basement prices in order to drive out the competition and buy it up because china's communist party backed entities. The end of day. Don't really operate in terms of the laws of economics. They really operate in terms of the laws of war. And that means that for the ccp dominating in these realms that means that they can run businesses losses essentially in perpetuity until they pick up all the market share. It's like if if every industry to every single chinese back company in a strategically significant sector is essentially. Amazon accepted amazon backed by the chinese communist party. Well and this is the question. I want to begin the next segment with. I'll read our read. The line increasingly what was always implicit about the nature of chinese quote unquote business. That there's no dividing line between where private business begins in. The state ends is becoming explicit as their leader consolidates his power. Overtly takes ever greater control over the chinese economy. And what. I wanna come back and talk about is. It's not just that we're dealing with a state rather than individual companies within interstate. It's that that state is also financing a military. That should concern us. We'll continue this conversation coming up. This is Watch the name you say. My good buddy ben. Winegarden is our guest. He's a federalist senior contributor senior fellow at the london center for policy research and a fellow at the claremont institute. We're talking about an article. He wrote for the federalist about china and as we went to break. Been my last point reading from your piece. I'd like to add another ascendance from here. And i'll let you take it from there. It is long past time america. Stop thinking about its commercial relations with china in terms of doing business with the normal power and separating such business from strategic concerns. You sort of alluded to what others have been talking about. Which is we're basically doing. Business with a state not individual companies within state and that state is is indistinguishable from a very aggressive military. Right absolutely right. And what. I'm trying to get at there is. You'll know that. America and what remains of the free world is serious about its dealings with communist china when it stops talking about business and commerce with chinese companies as being about normal status quo business and commerce with companies as if it was in britain or australia or anywhere else across the world. We're dealing with the power which seeks to be the dominant world power which exerts myriad. I'm in total control in effect and in practice over any entity that operates in the strategically significant space. And yes there are. These purportedly legal distinctions between state owned entities companies that receive state financial backing companies. That just happened to do some work. With the people's liberation army and come in in china and then purportedly private companies like they claim weiwei's a private company. That's owned by its employees. Even though you can go back in the records and you can look at the ties of course in all of these organizations to the chinese communist party with the executives and all the major company is being members of the chinese communist party and that really means something that's not insignificant that means direct control on top of the state itself imbedding its own councils and actually increasingly controlling operational decision making within most of these companies but even stepping back from that you were not operating in communist china and able to become a dominant player in any space in the economy without the implicit if not explicit blessing of the party because the party is dominant and the party cannot allow anything to challenge. Its rule as for this point. You make about the military link. Here china pursues a strategy of military civil fusion which is essentially we always. We hear a lot about the jargon about dual use technologies. How you have a civilian application to its technology and potentially a military application. The entire china's economy is essentially dual use because every single innovative that they make or that they steal and intellectual property ultimately may be used by the chinese communist. Party's army the people liberte people's liberation army and let's be it's worth repeating that the p. La is the chinese. Communist party is military. It is not china's military so what does the military specifically to defend the party and its prerogatives and so what you see is and what. I try to argue here. Is that when you're doing business with any chinese entity. You're really doing business at the end of the day with the chinese communist party and they are making this evermore explicit they have security laws so called laws. They really have the rule by law. They're not the rule of law but they're national security laws and regulations essentially. Say that if the chinese communist party's national security apparatus says we need to collect information from you or access or technology or speak to certain individuals within your company. You have to be a completely open book. If i if i told you in to my knowledge it didn't happen but it does many days that there was a revelation this morning of a spy at a research laboratory at one of our major universities. You wouldn't have to think twice. You'd say i'm sure it was a chinese spy and it always is. We had that situation here in houston where we had spying coming out of the the consular the consular offices and they were spying on what was going on at the at the houston medical center. We're seeing spies repeatedly working for the ccp infiltrating the research departments of our country which is where a lot of our nation's research is done with at the behest of and and By the benefactor of of the federal government it's very disturbing. I mean it is clearly a strategic effort to spy on our research at our universities repeatedly such that. It's a pattern. it's it's what they're doing. It's absolutely right. They are focused. On getting whatever advantages they can in high tech in everywhere across the information sphere and then beyond and that involves infiltrating and corrupting and leveraging our research institutions are academic institutions. And by the way this is even down to k through twelve. School is there confucius institutes. That have been bandied about when it comes to colleges but it's even impacting curricula from k. Through twelve mike pompeo. A former secretary of state has said that even down to the school board level. The chinese communist party seeks to cultivate relationships. And sometimes it doesn't at all appear nefarious and usually even better from the cpu side if they're one or two steps removed so it's obvious for example and you have definite cases of this that the doj has brought of chinese nationals with ties to the people's liberation army or intelligence services who come here to study under whatever. Pretense they come here to study and are actually working in strategically significant realms in high tech research and biotechnology in genomics and the like but then you have even worse. The corruption one step removed of funding researchers in america. Who are american citizens have been here. Their whole lives who take millions of dollars potentially like the head one of the most prominent researchers at harvard university who arrested over this With this so you have the the actual chinese national who will infiltrate us then. You have the corruption of the chinese dollars which is used to impact americans and then you have the more subtle measures of influence writing letters arguing that you should advocate for certain positions. If you're a state legislator and you're talking about communist china so it runs the whole gamut from the top of the us federal government all the way down to the local municipal county state level is as well and it's in every single area and that requires a comprehensive whole of government whole of society response to their whole of government holds society effort to ultimately dominate us. And so that's why one of the reasons. I keep hammering this issue home. Is you have to have an understanding of the warfare environment that we're in. Which is that one side is fully engaged. Our side began to be engaged on the trump administration. And i would argue the most essential thing that it did in the national security and foreign policy space was to try to inform the american people about the nature of the cpap and all of its nefarious efforts across a myriad areas. But that said this could all be unwound very quickly under a biden presidency. And as i've argued leading up to his presidency and then the early days there's no indication that we are not going back to something like the status quo of continued in engagement. I put that in air quotes here engagement with the chinese communist party which means a continued invitation for them to eat our lunch. You're exactly right and on another occasion. We'll spend some time talking about the efforts. the chinese made the cpa to undermine president trump some of them very successful been winegarden. Thanks for being our guest comeback again. It's that time mocking load. Michael very show is on the air off yes tap. She's come to talk to song. She came in. She came in and she. Since we humor when i'm feeling low so since the election anyone who claimed that there were irregularities fraud. You name it was kicked off twitter. People lost their jobs. Lou dobbs was just fired from fox business and yet in new york. The crazy story in new york. The last congressional race from the november election has finally been decided. Nearly fourteen weeks after election date in. no there wasn't a runoff. A winner has finally been declared in the last unresolved congressional race republican challenger. Claudia tinny has been declared the winner in new york's twenty second congressional district unseating incumbent. Anthony brindisi by one hundred nine votes which gives republicans two hundred thirteen house seats just five short of a majority state supreme court justice. Scott del conte ruled on friday. That quote every single valid vote that was cast in. New york's twenty second. Congressional district has been accounted for and counted. Tenny leads brindisi by one hundred nine votes. Doug kellner co chairman of the state board of education confirmed that tinny will be declared the winner now. what's interesting is that in his decision. Judge del conte blasted county election officials for quote systemic violations of state and federal election law. So the judge says there were violations of state and federal election law. Brindisi the democrat says that there was fraud in the election and that's why he lost doesn't that undermine democracy to claim fraud in the election so on friday and really into the weekend there was a an article that appeared in time magazine. That has surprised a lot of people and the people relates. Here's the headline the secret. History of the shadow campaign that saved the twenty twenty election. So i've got a guest coming up in the next segment so we'll get through this entire article. It's a lengthy one. But i wanna sign post it today in go back to it through the course of the week. If you would like to read it for yourself. Marie that title again. I would encourage you to take. It's gonna take you thirty minutes to get through it but what it's going to do is validate everything you thought about this election and coming from a media source time magazine on the left. They basically just decided listen. We were going to tell you that we didn't cheat. But what the hell. Yeah we did. And there's nothing you can do about it. Well they don't say cheat per se. They say four to fire the election. Couple of lines from in here. Let's see hold on a second odd thing happened. Amid trump's attempts to reverse the result corporate. America turned on him. Hundreds of major business leaders many of whom had back. Trump's candidacy and support policies called on him to concede to the president. Something felt amiss. Trump said on december second. It was all very very strange within days after the election we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint. The winner even while many key states were still being counted. In a way trump was right there was a conspiracy unfolding behind the scenes. One that both curtailed the protests and coordinated the resistance from ceos. Both surprises were the result of an informal alliance between left-wing activists and business titans. The pact was formalized in a terse little noticed joint statement of the us chamber of commerce and the afl cio published. On election day both sides would come to see it as a sort of implicit bargain. Inspired by the summers massive. Sometimes destructive racial justice protests in which the forces of liberty came together with the forces of capital to keep the peace and oppose trump's assault on democracy the handshake between business labor was just one component of a vast cross partisan campaign to protect the election. An extraordinary shadow effort dedicated not to winning the vote but to ensuring would be free and fair credible and uncorrupted. Well when somebody tells you that they broke into the bank and took a few million dollars because they really felt like the poor children and homeless people needed better food and housing. You could say well. That's quite the robin hood effort or you could say That's burglary and theft. So i i suppose you could define this as protecting the election or i suppose you could define it as stealing the election. Their words not mine. The actions that actually occurred. So as i said can't get into all of this right now. I would encourage you to go read it for yourself. It's a good read. It comes from the left but it breaks it down piece by piece. One of them is a section called the architect sometime in the fall of two thousand nineteen might producer became convinced. The election was headed for disaster and he determined to protect it. This was not his usual purview. For nearly a quarter century put dozer senior adviser to the president of the afl cio. The nation's largest union federation has marshall the latest tactics and data to help its favored candidates win elections unassuming and professorial. He isn't the sort of hair jailed. Political strategist who shows up on cable news and then it goes through the various things that he did including the fact that they had to stop trump because trump had a blue collar supporter base. That dozer feels rightfully belongs to the union bosses. So his point is trump shouldn't win those votes. Anyway i'll come back to this Because we're up against a break. I've got a guest i. I'm gonna come back to this. Because i think it's important but i encourage you in the meantime to go. Read it for yourself. It's in time magazine. Time dotcom the secret history of the shadow campaign that saved the twenty twenty election snowflakes. You prepare for a complete meltdown. With more of the michael berry. Show wise ways look on the saw of own ways neukolln. The law saw it of long. If live seems johnny rotten fish something and that's one you're feeling. Isn't that dumps. be silly. Chumps just your lips and whistle. that's the old winds. Look on the side of non all wise the raw four larvae squad on a world. You must always spiced with your same give. The audience cooing joy as they said python now for something entirely different for those of us in texas and i understand most of you are out of texas but those of us in texas texas a and m university has a long and storied history. It stands for agricultural and mechanical. The agricultural side is the mechanical of course is a lot of engineering in the like. Geophysical do a lot of oil exploration here but the agricultural is what has distinguished texas a and m. for a close going on two hundred years and the university has an amazing reputation for all things agricultural and every so often we like to have one of their folks on to share what they're up to. Dr jason clear is associate professor and texas agra life extension beef cattle specialist at texas am in college station. But the first thing. I wanted to talk to you about is that you're the coordinator of the texas. A and m. beef cattle short-course which attracts more than fourteen hundred partic- participants to camp to campus. Each august talk a little bit about that course and who comes to it. Because i'm fascinated by this and i wanna come one year absolutely michael and pleasure to be younger day and appreciate the opportunity. Yeah texan 'em beef cattle short-course In two thousand nineteen We had Over twenty three hundred actually in attendance and that Came to campus and of course it's mostly texas ranchers that come but we also Over twenty different States and a dozen different countries represented a as well and it could be anybody that is has one town all the way up to ten thousand pounds and so it's a live variety of of folks that traveled to campus to to learn about these counter production and And how how to produce and how to ranch and ultimately had to manage their land and and they're not sources so what are some of the basics that you cover and do you start this. Assuming people have a working knowledge are where do you. I mean i. I would assume there's a very level of knowledge for you to teach a course like this. You gotta assume they know some things right well and and Most have a little bit of a knowledge. But you'd be surprised that every year we see a lot of new people that maybe purchased land. And you know if you've got land in texas or cross. Us you want to run some cattle on it and So they may have been an engineer or or who knows what they may have been in a previous career and so they may know very little about the industry and then we have some ranchers that have been to business for seventy five years that That need you know that are higher level so with that beef galileo show course is really kind of a cafeteria style. So we've got over twenty different concurrent sessions during that two and a half days and And so we've got sessions for the basic rancher the newbie all the way to you know very advanced You know type. Genetics and selection nutrition for those that are experienced. And so it's a little bit for everybody. The most interesting development in genetics beef cattle genetics. Over the last twenty years what would be the one thing that's made the biggest change impact. Well i think as we the the most thing. The last twenty years is You know violence and marker assisted Selection and beef cattle so going back two hundred years ago. It was like to tattle based off of what they look like. You know you know what what precision we perceived as the good animal and As gone through we started collecting data on you know. Animals that gain the fast is or produce the highest quality meat and then we started doing statistical analysis but in the last twenty Twenty five years. We really started looking at dna technology. Marker sits selection and that's really helped our ranchers to more fine tuned their selection capabilities again. We still look at the live animal and select You know an animal that looks good because we gotta look at it every day But but we're also looking at fine tuning our selection to to help us more quantify what we're looking at too so i know you are involved with the texas agra life extension as a beef cattle specialists. And that's actually i mean. That's the university going out into the community and actually helping farmers be better for an cattle-raisers be better cattle-raisers and i think that's something texas. A&m does extraordinarily well which is make itself relevant to industry and individuals as opposed to be in the ivory tower gas. But what are the biggest questions people ask you when they call cattle-raisers. Yeah so we get a lot of different questions from ranchers but Yeah probably the number. One question i get is all as You know nutrition-related what else eat my house. How do i know Is my town Let's see like with diet And you know ultimately klarna fire Whether or not you're done a good job. As either their gain weight war from a towel which is the reproductive whether or not she gets bread and has the next year. So you know again. Most of our questions are certainly going to be dealing with nutrition because really the biggest driver of cow cattle were performed when we go to the butcher and we buy stakes whether it's prime choice. Select standard commercial cutter kanner the the various categories. What is making the biggest difference as to those quality grades. Well i think You know we've seen just just one prizes some some some If you go back ten years ago. The percentage crime Quality grades in the united states. Which is our kind of our pre metal Quality states that one with the most modeling. So the percentage prime was around three percent of our cattle. And now we're looking at ten eleven percent of it and then also. The percentage choice that next category has just grown dramatically as well and You know the biggest driver of that is Genetics are ranchers really selecting genetics. That has a greater degree of marveling or that intramuscular fat which determines the quality great whether or not our prime toy selector standard is question purely a flavor a question because i like a lot of marveling but many people don't well i think it comes down to the the preference The consumer but yes they Increase in marble which is intramuscular fat. is where a lot of your flavors going to get but it also is An insurance factor too. And when i mean insurance factor is that that fat You know during the cooking process is going to render down. And that's where your flight where he's gonna be but it also kind of ensures juicy nece so last night could i don't agree all outside over oakwood You know some t-bone steaks for my family and We select product. Because it was you know it was the cheaper of the found in the supermarket and But i was make sure that we that i cook it Am rare you know. I sure didn't want overcook that. Because i didn't have that extra marley in there. Great that a great flavor and everything else so you will learn. Where's the beef coming. Up next. In our conversation with professor jason clear of texas a and m university really gonna do keep calm and listen on. Don't you turn it off. turn around here. this is the michael berry. Show rodney darn ever bad. We're talking beef with the beef expert. Professor jason clear of texas a and m university so it's prime then choice then select yes sir and when would you make the purchase of a prime. Obviously that's gonna make a cost differentials it how you prepare in it like whoa for your decision making process winner. You going to go prime well again for me michael. I'm kind of a cheapskate. At times but You know if. I'm really on a special occasion. You know maybe gonna entertained. You know some some guests. I'm gonna probably reach out there. And make sure i got that choice of prime Because it's always going to. Have you know more flavor profile. And it's again it's You know as. I tell my students that You know you. You've got a less of a chance that you mess up a good prime steak. If i took you to the butcher shop and i showed you three different cuts estate. Could you pick out prime choice. Select just looking at them. Oh absolutely yeah you can look at the the marveling profiles air even on our website The taxation animal science website. We've got some grits. There that show you pictures of that. But then also the texas beef council Website as well Beef-loving texans have some resources as well that show you pictures of what a prime rib is supposed to look like or choice and the amount of of marveling it's in them whereas cattle-raising today versus where it was ten twenty thirty forty Are are we eating more red meat less red meat about the same. I think if you go back Ten in in the past singers Red meat consumption is pretty stabilized Actually in the last year With the you shut down and consumer spending more time at home We saw kind of a small up tick in the amount of Red meat consumed But i think it's it's very stable and our consumption and As ranch i think the biggest thing that we have to do in the ranching world and the production world is We know beef is more expensive to produce and it's more expensive consumers. We just gotta make sure that that we're producing the cadillacs of meat and producing high quality products so that consumers are willing to pay for that extra for just that good eating satisfaction. What's been the biggest change in cattle-raising to me the consumer in the last twenty years i think from counteracting perspective Just like any lean when he do in our day to day lives It's continued to be technology and they drift. And so you know we continue to be able to find tune or our processes in the way we produce beef to do it more efficiently So to to push to make sure that you know we we improve our tilleke Of our cows feeding down better. Just kinda the optimum diet We you know the we feed our cattle to finish them out We found to the nutrients there to make sure that you know we're we're producing is is an efficient manner but then will produce that superior quality steak as well so i think we just like anything else whether it's walmart whoever may be in the business world we continue to be more and more data driven to temporary assistance of production. What is what are the economics of the family farm today. i mean. Is it still a viable business for a single family. Not big egg not not multimillionaires but for single family to raise cattle and make a living at it. Yeah you know that's a question. I'm ways the next generation To use that for those families that have stopped rush cattle operations You know they. They can pass that onto to the next generation but they've already got the ran's unit required to raise gals It takes a lot of land to raise cattle Just grazing animals and and so that becomes a real challenge for somebody. That's you know just decided you know. I wanna i wanna be a rancher and get into the cattle business and own. My own cattle You know it takes at the character level You're probably to support a family. You'd have to own around three to four hundred cows to be able to support a family. Unit will to do that depending on the area that you're in but let's just say the eastern portion of texas you know three hundred cows. You're probably looking at Own around fifteen hundred land And so you know you can you. Can you do the math on the cost of land. it it runs up pretty dramatically there so it is a challenge for more people getting into The cattle business. Now there are no young rangers Day in and day out that have gotten real creative and they're able to lease land and do some things and they they are successful with it but it is You know a challenge. The one thing that i will take my mike. Is that if you look at Beef cattle production You know the vast majority probably ninety five percent. Plus of ranches are still family owned You know they've had to get bigger Just because of you know economies of scale just like any business but you know they still have Back that family atmosphere which is which is the neat thing you know and i think that's the one thing that we can hang our hat on in the piece beef cattle production and ranching. Isn't we're still family offering it. Yeah i mean that's my romanticized notion. I think iowans kind of feel the same. There's just something about the family farm. Are we seeing a stable number of family. Farms that raised cattle has that has that eroded has it increased or is it about the about consistent over the last twenty to fifty years. I'd say it's probably fairly consistent over the last twenty years the one thing you've seen Across the us and especially here in the state of texas is that we we see land fragmentation and You know and that's the splitting up of large tracts land it'd people coming in and fifty two hundred s groups and So you know you've gone from you know we're gonna family farm that unit size big one down to tan smaller ones there Operation so you know. But i think it's fairly stable with that. Professor jason clear is associate professor at texas am university in college station. More with him. Coming up the michael berry show vary To told you a up there's nothing inside baby you can. The snow is really a truly is a big one very big. Funny fluffy it's very fluffy fund zonda places give you a lot less peeve on a lot of button the at wendy's have a hamburger we modestly calling and wendy's single has more beef and the big mac at wendy's you get more be less button. Hey do one settling better your wendy's kind of people. Where's the be. We're talking beef all things. The with professor jason clear texas a and m university. How many students are coming into texas. Am university in say. I wanna learn about agriculture own. Learn about and i want to go into. The industry is as popular as it ever was absolutely i. You know. I think we still have a lark still being texas. Is you know over. Fifty percent of the value in texas is be beef cattle production and so beef cattle production in the state is You know a big influence in iraq culture but it's also a big influence of our heritage Of the state and you mentioned the word romance of along the spoils and ranching side so we do see a lot of students that come and they're interested in it Now their career path may not only and they may not owner aunt. You're rich manager. But they they make go into some of the support businesses that go along with it so they may manage at which you know co-op that's bed cells feed or fertilizer ranchers or you know those types of things so We do see a lot of students that come in that are interested in be just mainly because texas is is is largest be state. Yeah i looked at the rankings. Before we talked and i didn't realize i of i didn't know missouri was big in that and sangley. I didn't know how big oklahoma was but we. We have fifteen percent of the beef cows in this country and that is more than oklahoma number. Two and missouri number three combined. That's pretty significant and nebraska not till fourth. I would've expected nebraska to be higher. Are we so much more because of morla and because we started with such a lead is that tax laws and politics why is texas still leading that yeah i think if you look at cowes Texas lease mainly. because of. and we're you know. Compare that the total size of the state and land acreage compared to oklahoma missouri and air nebraska We're just such a much bigger state because of that and At the cow calf level which is the the reproductive unit Bats you know. It takes anywhere from Two or three acres per towns to your way out. It may take years to support a cal and so landmass is is really a big driving force about And and again we've got a long heritage of as well to compare beef to Goats chickens the the other livestock in terms of profitability and desirability. If a state was saying we really want to. We really want to step this up. What's the one that's the most profitable you know You know i'd say Know it's kind of a hard number to look that there You know again. Did you look at it as a a as a are looking at profitability per acre of land. Or do you live it per unit It's kind of a hard number to pinpoint. If you're thinking per acre of land It's probably league poultry production. Because you know you could put a few houses on shakers land that that raised thousands of birds per year So that's a little. It's a hard number two to to get your hands around. I guess you could say. How'd you end up doing what you do. Well i'm young. Grew up in a you know. Kind of a small cow calf. I should dad in town and and cows and You know on the side and Just just love that that aspect of it and then also teach and You know my fellow liz. I'd be a researcher and then he just A teacher in teach teach at the university level and not pretending to came along for me to They become an extension educator. Be part of the sexy life extension and you know visit with ranchers and teach ranchers on a day to day basis. So i i get the opportunity to to do a little research. Most of my time is is educating working with ranchers and helping them out but then also Get the teacher in the fall as well About a hundred and forty Undergraduate students to so that Became a passion of mine. The beef industry You know some of it is the the romance about it here in this great state of texas But i just truly believe that. The beef is very valuable protein source from a nutritional aspect. But it's also delicious to and the best thing about it is great people in the state of texas that They support their lives based off a ranching and raising gentleman and doing a good job at and so you know i just have that passion horton. I've always loved it. It fascinates me how diverse and sophisticated. Our economy is and how many things people do that. They've basically been doing the way they've been doing it for a very long time. I mean we all are most of us anyway. Eat beef almost every single day and we kinda take for granted all the work that had to be done to get it to our table as cost effective as it is as a protein and a delicious food. How many how much science sophistication goes into to getting in there. Professor jason clear texas a and m university. Thanks for being our guest. You come back anytime you very much. Michael and again last thing. We invite everybody august second. The fourth is the texas cattle. Were coming up this year and you can find that beef cattle short course dot com house. Bill thank you and good night.

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Covid Has Nothing on Climate Change | PM Show

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Covid Has Nothing on Climate Change | PM Show

"It's that time times mocking load. Michael very show is on the air. What's important what i try to do is make clear what's important and what's less important and that is because you have to realize that with a lot of talk shows and a lot of websites and a lot of tv shows and a lot of politicians trying to get attention. There's a lot of outrage screaming howland and everything's important all the time which means nothing important and that is in that environment of noise pollution. You can't focus so you don't see where you should have fought back the hardest k. And that is by designed friends. That is by design. Make no mistake about that so let me try to tell you where i think. Our greatest focus and concern should be right now. May not be the most glamorous. It's not what alexandria ocasio cortez is talking about today or tomorrow. Although it is something that she has talked about in the past but my point is it may not be the biggest headline but here is where you should focus but first some context when obama was elected in the plan was there were two major issues in his first term that he wanted to make great strides on and they were the two issues where democrats and especially liberals progressives had been frustrated for decades and he was going to use all the goodwill first black president Biracial president post partisan president. The only person saying this guy to succeed because his his agenda is far left was rush. Limbaugh i hope he fails and we had half the republicans the brave courageous republicans telling saying that rush limbaugh might have been a good man in the past but his time has passed. The mitt romney's saw the john mccain say no. No obama won. He should get to do what he wants. There were two primary goals and they were going to be rolled out in disorder. One was global warming to healthcare if democrats can get control of the economy using the lever of where we're just we're just saving global warming. Which of course they changed the climate change you. I create the crisis and then that gives you the ability. Do all the things you wanted to do. But you have to create the crisis so the first one was global warming. The second one was healthcare. Everybody's dying all the time. We got to fix this. We gotta fix it fast. The order in which those were going to be rolled out was climate change first and then obamacare but they decided that climate change was going to be a bigger battle then obamacare so they said we'll do healthcare first and then global warming because healthcare won't take much political capital to get done as global warming bus. Because when they can convince you that we're all about to die in a month and because of that they're going to have to shutdown all manufacturing and they'll decide who can manufacturing who can't it's over at that one it's done. There's there's no there'll be no wealth created that they don't control and so there'll be no way to fight back they'll be in charge of every industry. They'll decide what's done so the idea was. We gotta get health care done i because that'll be easier. And then we move to the big one which will be contentious but healthcare turned out to be a lot more contentious than expected and then it was too late to do global warming or he wouldn't get reelected and then in his second term. They lost the house and senate and they lost the ability to to get their agenda accomplished so now twelve years later biden's elected the first thing on the agenda before anyone else before anything else. Climate change so biden says gotta have climate change. We got us solve this immediately before we all die and we're all about two now so that's why climate change has become the big issue so a lot of people have lost their jobs and he's costing more people their jobs. So what does he do. He has to find. Everything is focused on climate change. You don't see it coming yet but it's coming. It's going to be the first big rollout because they gotta do this before. They burn through their capital. So people say well. Yeah but if you start shutting down industries keystone pipeline and all his manufacturing. You get a cost a bunch of people their jobs as orwellian as it gets is to say. Killing jobs is job creation. Here's joe biden. Saying when i think of climate change i think we're going to create jobs when we think of climate change. We think of this case we're conscious inconvenience cross paths where dealing with the sex. The central threat to the planet and increasing our economic growth and prosperity are one and the same. When i think of climate change i think the answers to it. I think of jobs a key plank of our bill back better. Recovery plan is building a modern resilient climate infrastructure and clean energy future that will create millions of good pain. Union jobs not seven eight ten twelve dollars an hour but prevailing wage and benefits. You know we can put millions of americans. The work modernizing our water systems predation our energy infrastructure to withstand the impacts of extreme climate. We've already reached a point where we're going to have to live with what it is. Now that's going to require a lot of work all by itself. Without getting any worse we think of renewable energy. So joe biden announced right off. There are four crises because remember you have to have crises in order to be able to do things that are extra constitutional unconstitutional politically unpopular. But we have to do this because it's a crisis this in just a minor inconvenience it's a crisis right four crises all at once we have the public health crisis as coronas. Everybody knows somebody that got really sick or died. Okay ash crisis do whatever you need to do. Lock down all the businesses who cares if suicides are up drug deaths are up depths of despair up. The economy is in trouble. Small businesses are dead. Lots of people lost their job. Don't worry public health crisis okay. One mask no to masks. No make it three masks okay. Yeah 'cause crisis where all don't crisis then we got the economic crisis that of course was caused by the first one which is why it's interesting. Isn't it that china's economy actually grew last year the virus that they caused tanked our economy and caused their economy grow. Gosh it's almost as it. No no that wouldn't happen. Would it so we got a public health. Crisis got an economic crisis. We gotta racial equity crisis. It's a crisis. Black people are not doing as well as white people and it cannot exist for another day. Because everybody's gonna okay crisis whatever you need to do and finally the fourth now we'll tell you most important crisis global warming. We now call it. Climate change this is what they're going to use to take complete and utter control. Mark my words arish beside me at biden started talking to global warming and the crisis and just like that. The washington post and new york times started running stories. the polar caps are melting. Everything bad is happening. And then chuck schumer said Maybe monday of this week. I want president biden to declare a climate change emergency because that will give me more powers more emergency powers to do what i need to do. See if it's an emergency if it's an emergency well there's all sorts of things are going to have to do that. You can't push back against. I mean listen. We had to lock down your business. And if you didn't want your business lockdown and you want to kill granny if you don't want the government to regulate you into oblivion take all your money. Shutdown manufacturing control the flow of everything. What are you trying to kill us. All they don't wanna to take control of your business they don't wanna have to punish republicans and reward. Democrats give subsidies to their companies. They're staffers who now go into the private sectors that companies that have lobbyists that work for them. They don't wanna have to do that. This is not this is look. This hurts them more than hurts. You can you tell your kids when you were a kid. Mom would say this hurts me more than it hurts you that how about this. How about you instead. And it'll hurt me more than hurt you. Because it's my punishment. Let me do to weapon since it's so yeah they don't want to have to destroy your business to punish you after call you white. Supremacist and and leading insurrection. And driving your guy out of office and and then Impeaching him get any. They don't want to. they have to do it. Save the environment have to so sh- so biden says it creates new jobs. We're going to have green jobs. How come we don't have green jobs now because we'd have but now that we have a biden just like what obama we're gonna have green jobs member celinda and how many remember billions of dollars that were thrown at green energy under obama. All those companies are out of business. Now remember the electric car batteries that they were going to create. You don't need to create a government car battery. Let alone must do it. The private sector is much more efficient well so now climate change. I'm telling you. Climate change is going to be the biggest area and nobody saw this coming. You should but watch me watch what happens. Watch how many stories you're now going to see on the front pages. Watch how many times you're gonna turn on. The tv and climate change is going to be the reason everything has to be done. And you're gonna go. what wait what. Here's another example you're thinking the co vid the virus. i'm scared. How many masks can wear can hide in my bed because they've people that you trust. Keep telling you over again. They get accounted bottom right or they did to abide was president that all these people dying on everybody died of covert everybody nobody dies. Nobody gets the flu remorse. Covert right so you're thinking. This is a significant public health challenge. Nobody in history has ever had to deal with anything so bad. Oh no you have no idea. Covid is a pimple on the butt of climate change. Here's joe biden's national climate adviser gina mccarthy from down behind a double mask. She says climate change is the most significant public health challenge of our time so it is nothing compared to climate change creates both the white house interagency task force to address environmental justice as well as an advisory council it directs the department of health and human services to create an office of climate change in health equity because after all climate changes the most significant public health challenge of time and tasks the department of justice with establishing an office of climate justice. Because we know that communities who are being hurt and we know we have to start enforcing the standards today in ensuring that they are part of the solution in the places that we can invest in fact it commits forty percent of our investment in clean energy towards disadvantaged communities so they can benefit from the new jobs that are available and seed that better. future president biden's order established as a working group on coal and power plant communities. Because we have to make sure that in this transition every agency in government is using every tool at their disposal to drive resources to those communities and it fulfils longstanding to leverage a vast natural resources to contribute to our clean energy future it places a pause and review on new oil and gas leases on federal public lands and waters consistent with a promise. President biden has repeatedly made and has been very clear in the face of efforts to distort his promise and it sets a goal of doubling offshore wind production by twenty thirty in addition he plans to sign a presidential memorandum that aims to restore scientific integrity across the federal government and earn back the public. Trust making a commitment to based solutions on the best available science and data so today is a very big day for science in for our efforts to power our economy with paying union. Jobs coup bono. Who benefits first and foremost chinese. If america not power its own economy using its own natural resources china benefits. China doesn't have the resources that we do. It's one of the great frustrations they have to buy it elsewhere. It's why they've practically colonized africa. It's while they're they're They worked very hard behind the scenes to implement this. You talk about an insurrection. Group the chinese efforts to lobby through the democrats to kill american production including in energy but also in manufacturing because every time they can kill american production. It's to their benefit. We have to rely more on them and the democrats are only too happy to oblige. But how do they do it. How do they keep americans from reacting and saying democrats if you're gonna kill my husband's job if you're gonna kill american energy production if you're gonna make me pay more for gas at the pump when we could've we could've made our own oil and then we wouldn't have to fight these wars in the middle east if you're going to do all that i'm going to vote against you. Democrats are so clever. The media helps them that. The suburban moms who would be most likely to say that are now saying. I don't wanna hurt the environment. You're right you don't wanna hurt the environment. You no no. i guess. I don't know you don't do you want to preserve the environment. Don't you well why i guess i. Do you love your children don't you. Well i i guess i do well. You want to save the environment for your children right. Y- i guess you're right. Will these mean people over here wanna destroy the environment and our planet. Do you want your son to have to die because they killed the planet. No no i don't will. They're polluting the water in the air and the ozone and acid rain and all. These terrible things are happening. And the polar bear cities polar bears and this coca cola commercial. Yeah they're dead now. Those polar bears dodig day after that commercial. They it yeah remember when your kids were little and they would ask you about the polar bears yeah and remember winnie the pooh. Yeah well when he died when he died in a while when he died because the industry that your husband works in polluted the environment and winnie the pooh died. He did that. You want to tell your children that winnie the pooh so. Tell your husband to go file for unemployment. Maybe they'll be a green job. Comes somewhere down. The road with will create green jobs. Why don't we dirty jobs green jobs. Okay we'll have good clean green jobs and they'll pay more money. Yeah yeah and if you like your doctor you can keep your dog. Yeah and if you like your plan you can keep your plan c. altogether now. Let's vote democrat. Keep those dirty. And plus trump was mean tweeting. Plenty i lost my job and we're going to have to wonder why. Enjoy the musical. Stylings of the great billy powell. Seventy two seventy two. He was a rhody for leonard. Skinner greatest rock man of all time. Seventy two there was a break in the action. He started banging on the keys. Running van. zandt said you're not a rodeo anymore. You're our keyboardist from now on. And the were one of the elements in the arrangement that make. The skinner sounds so special. He died on this day in two thousand a heart attack in his orange park. Florida home so naive people will believe exactly what they're told the left will make everything about Change global warming the reason for the pandemic climate change. we've already we've already learned. Racism is bad because of global warming rape and countries where it's bad where they've had problem in villages where they've The world health organization is the saddest because of global warming global warming regulations kill jobs period end of story so the left is going to very aggressively in an orwellian fashion. Simply say that's not true. It creates more jobs but it never does. Here is john kerry making the statement he is. He is joe biden's Ambassador for global warming and national security by the way they have now decided that national security our number one national security challenge is not china or russia. It's global warming see see the patterns. Global warming is how we create more jobs. Global warming is how we deal with sickness. Global warming is how we keep our country safe. What they want is regulation of energy and production. But they can't just say we want to regulate energy production because that sounds socialist even though the socialists in this country are part of their party. Bernie sanders alexandria ocasio. Cortez they now have a larger group of their following who admit to being socialist used to that was a dirty word now. There the proudly admitted. So john kerry is this sort of ambassador at large who goes out and he just takes on big issues remember. This was their presidential candidate. Two thousand four and this was the guy who was running the diplomatic relationship between obama. And the irani's when they cut the iran deal remember. That will now. John carey says that all these workers are getting laid off thousands of them because the keystone pipeline and there are lot. There's apparently between sixty and seventy thousand coming from the energy industry that they'll now have better choices. Getting laid off is good for them. Listen to this. The need to grow the new jobs that pay better cleaner that i mean you look at the consequences of black lung for a minor. For instance measure that against the fastest growing job in the united states before covid was solar power technician. Same people can do those jobs but the choice of doing that solar power one now is a better choice similarly You have the second fastest growing job. Pre-coded was wind turbine technician. This is happening. Seventy five percent seventy percent of all the electricity. That's come online. In the united states in the last few years came from renewables not coal plants have been closing over the last twenty years so what president biden wants to do is make sure those folks have better choices that they have alternatives that they could be the people who go to work to make the solar panels that were making them here at home. That is going to be a particular focus of the Build back better agenda. And and i think that that unfortunately workers have been fed a false narrative surprise right the last few years. They've been fed The notion that somehow dealing with climate is coming at their expense. No it's not what's happening to them is happening. Because other market forces already taking place and and what the what. The what the 'financiers The big banks the asset managers private investors venture capital or. All discovering is. There's a lot of money to be made in the creation of these new jobs in these sectors so whether it's green hydrogen. That is going to come whether it is Geothermal he whether whatever it's going to be Those are jobs the same worker who works in south carolina. Today putting together a bmw. Which happens to be made there and and is currently an internal combustion. Engine can put together a car but it's electric so this is not a choice between having jobs having good jobs. Having the quality of life quality of life will be better when gina has put her team together that produces choices for us that are healthier less cancer cleaner air. Well i think. I preferred hillary clinton when she told the coal miners of virginia. At least she was being honest. I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're gonna put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business or fleischer said it very well you talk about the republicans increasingly becoming the party of blue collar working americans. That's why the democrats are able to say to you. You're going to lose your job today but just trust us one day months from now years from now somebody else will hire you. We don't know where it obey. What region of the country. But just trust us. And frankly when i hear john kerry talk about this particularly talks about the power glow of wind remember. He is the man who opposed a wind project on the sound nantucket sound because he didn't want to see the view outside his window. So what poxy for him to talk about green energy when he opposed a major wind project off the coast of tuck in these folks are going to destroy a lot of working class jobs and then the romney republicans are gonna go. We should figure out a way to get working class. Americans to vote republican. How do we do it. You kicked the guy out of the party and impeached him. That was able to do it. i can see why you think you belong very interesting phenomenon at play that you are either a part of or you can step back and see it's even bigger than left versus right. The left versus right divide is a horizontal divide. I see this as a vertical divide. It is and it's not just wealthy versus the populist. In a french revolution sort of way it is the insiders and everyone else anthony koto via angelo via wrote a great piece. It was brought to my attention by rush limbaugh several years ago where he divided it into the political class and the country class. This has been going on for a while the idea of the haves and have nots. But don't see that purely as wealth. 'cause you can be a rich. Have not or you can be a at least from a financial perspective. A middle class have it. Is the idea of those who live within the protected class and have protected class conformed ideas and the rest of us who are heathens and now white supremacists and insurrectionists and seditionists. It is the reason that those who went into the capital are said to have violently storm did and murdered half of america and those who are burning down the streets of minneapolis and seattle and portland or peaceful protesters in the summer of love. It's the chosen and the un chosen the favored and the disfavored the firstborn heir to the throne and the red headed stepchild and it is the sense that a lot of people have felt suppressed. Repressed downgraded downtrodden talked poorly of humiliated accused and have had enough. That's what that capital situation was about. That's what the donald trump presidency was about. That's what his election was about. That's what this game stop story is about. That's what the rage against the schools stay. Enclosed is about a story of Out of new jersey new jersey. Teacher's union says schools might not reopen for another year in chicago. Despite the fact that studies in medical journals are showing that it is safe to reopen the schools. The chicago teachers union. Says nope way ain't going back to we wanna go back. Well here's a case out of. I don't know how you pronounce this l. o. You deal in lieu don virginia. This is a father who in about one minute expresses the rage of a pent up people. He wants the school reopened. He's speaking to the school board. Should all be fired for day jobs. Because if you're reporters knew that you are more efficient than dnv you would be replaced in a heartbeat. I literally just finished a conference call. Because i'm having a multitask to be here to address you guys. You're a bunch of cowards hiding behind our children as an excuse for keeping schools close. You think you're some sort of martyrs because of the decisions you're making when this pistons do not lie that the vast majority of the population is not at risk from this virus. The garbage workers who pick up my three can trash risk their lives every day. More than anyone in the school system figuring out off the podium. Because you know what the people like me and a lot of other people out there who will gladly take your seat in figure out. It's not a high bar raise a more. I'm gonna give staff and offer to make sure that Podium microphone of thin. Your time is finished. Can you please leave. i'll be back on. Can i ask deputy to please make sure the gentleman leaves the boardroom vote. We have watched people from all walks of life storm the united states capitol now. It wasn't a violent revolution. It wasn't insurrection. There was a frustrated people wanting to make a statement we have watched them since then be kicked off twitter and facebook. They build networks of friends and family colleagues and fellow travelers silenced by the left using a platform that they in good faith had participated in. We have watched people be fired from their job. We have watched police officers doing their be fired because the saint george floyd politicians want them removed. We have watched small business owners have their businesses burned to the ground by people. Who we're told are mostly peaceful. We have watched parts of major cities be taken over by those who murder and then won't even let the ambulances come in to save those who've been murdered. We've had that called the summer of love. We have watched ted cruz and his watch. His wife be harassed at restaurants. We've watched rand. paul be punched in the side by his liberal neighbor who punctured. We have watched those who were leaving the white house be harassed spat upon we have watched people stopped by crowds of leftists dragged from their cars cops beaten and killed even on video while we're told were terrible people. We've been called white supremacist. We have watched. Our schools have been closed. We have watched as our people have committed. Suicide deaths of despair over the lockdowns. We have watched small business owners beg and plead to reopen their business. Because they're going bankrupt and they're losing. There is anger afoot. We are living in fascinating times and now we have watched as a group of people on the internet have brought a multi billion dollar hedge fund to. It's knees because people are sick and tired of people manipulating the system against what is perceived to be the rest of us wherever you come out on the game stop story. Don't miss the part of the story where individuals acted against a powerful institution. I think we're going to see this over over again and as you close off social media and areas where people could vent. You're not gonna stop people from being angry. You're going to force them to take alternate measures. That doesn't end well. it's that time time. Lock load the michael berry. Show is on the air out there. That i have had the opportunity to have a conversation on air. I don't wanna stay interview. Because i'd rather be a discussion a conversation even though i do learn things. Ask them questions that i have on the air and what i really think to myself is what i'd rather do is film our record. An entire dinner have a couple of glasses of wine and get them to open up about their fascinating history in. This is one of those. I could spend an entire segment giving you. Kt mcfarland's background Including the fact that she worked in the nixon and reagan and trump administration's and she worked with henry kissinger and all sorts of amazing things. But i won't do that. I'll let you do that on your own tom. She is former trump. Deputy national security adviser a favorite of donald trump and. She wrote a book a year ago. Called revolution trump washington. And we the people. But the reason we're having our on is an article that appeared in the financial times regarding america's policies china Kt mcfarland is our guest. And katie let me start by asking. How concerned are you. That biden pivots or doesn't complete turnaround and changes america's policies with china. Because i liked what you and trump were doing there. Well first of all this introduction action so anytime you want to call even with or without a glass of wine. He's just go right ahead. But secondly Yeah president trump reversed american foreign policy. That have really happened. The i'd say since two thousand and his conclusion my conclusion was that the united states The foreign policy community republicans and democrats had assumed that if we were good to china. If we help china modernize help their economy that they would be They would modernize they would open the society. They would open their economy and they would be good. Trading partners of ours and we would not be confrontational. We would not do it competitive. But not at each other's throats and essentially china would be like germany was after world war two like japan. Wish that if we help them develop they would in turn Make much more peaceful world and we would be fair traitors. But that's not what happened. The chinese have sat out to replace. The united states is the dominant world power. It'd be making no bones about it. They used to be of quiet about it but now they're coming right out and talking about it. They have every chance of replacing the united states as the dominant willpower technologically militarily. They initially planned to do it by mid century but they've up their time line between the covert Recession that was the and frankly the election. Joe buddies always been very soft on china. They don't think they're going to get there within the decade and so i'm very concerned and President trump is the first republican or democrat to stand up to the chinese. Say we just want a fair trading field here you know we invest in your country. You invest in our country. Don't steal our intellectual property. You don't discriminate against american businesses. Well let's just play fair. And we'll both prosper. But that's not what the chinese wanted and the worry is now that joe biden Even though we started talking on china michael. He's you know he. He and his advisors are talking. But if you look at what they've done just in the last week saw very concilium inca cap china china. I read a report yesterday. And i don't remember who it was but it was a reputable source that said that hunter biden still has according to business records. A ten percent interest in a chinese company that does have ties to the c. p. How concerning should that be for people how you've spent a lot of time in that community. How odd is that. Not only wrong. But what was it. Felt if they kept it hidden for so on and what was his father's relationship and remember. Joe biden has always been very soft in china and even have to say well why even other leaders have been coming around. The last few was just say well. China actually is trying to eat our lunch and joe biden even during the campaign and said hey come on match. I was a fan or trying to eat our lunch. They're good guys and you have to say well. Why is this willful implying. A here part. What's going on. yeah. Joe biden does financial relationship with not just one but several chinese companies tied to the energy community particularly and he was selling access he was pretty open about it and the chinese pretty open about the fact that they intended to buy access. Even joe biden was vice president and particularly after He left in the trump administration came in. And i don't believe those tie ship shepherd or if they have severed nobody's talked about having them severed katie macfarlane is our guest. The book is revolution trump washington. And we the people great story. She told me off air that when it came out president trump suggested to his children that they read it and they said we already have. Don't worry about that and we love it. I love that story. But when you look at chinese influence in the united states one of the things we've done for decades is we've used our universities as outsourced research centers and and there are a lot of reasons behind that but the the chinese of seen that and they have infiltrated you see these stories so spies over and over and over again at our top universities Stealing our intellectual property. How bad is that problem. How widespread is that problem. Estimates are that it's half a trillion dollars of us intellectual property a year now intellectual. Property means you know. The designs of a let's say an iphone or designs of microprocessor. It's something that american has developed at our expense. And then the chinese the click of a mouse or with a spy operation has stolen it and a half a trillion dollars a year and estimates are. But it's probably four to five thousand dollars per family in the united states that we're losing out on that we're either pay more for our products on subsidies to chinese. So that's that's real money. The other thing. Though that i think is upsetting. Is that their goal. So their goals china has said look. We tend technologies of the future Artificial intelligence particularly but robotic semiconductors. We plan to beg borrow steal. Or however we have to acquire and be the dominant power in the ten technologies of fisher. And then we'll decide what happens. Everybody else Even if the internet infrastructure but you should have five g. i'm sure people heard about the five g internet infrastructure of a future. You know we think out crisis terrific. I'm gonna download my neck netflix's movies even faster. But that's not really what it is. It's the that the chinese because they intend to build it. Not the americans not any europeans. But the chinese intend to build it with a chinese company and then they will be able to have access to all communications everywhere every text message every cell phone conversation that they can be listening to because they will have the infrastructure that they've built and the different is hard to sort of wrap your head around it because it's such a big threat but in the united states we have a very different You know we separate our government from our private sector and particularly in the technology sector which is famous for being very libertarian. And go there way. The chinese have just the opposite. The chinese have a law. Their national security law says that if the chinese communist party the chinese military the chinese intelligence station she comes to you and says you to turn over your data or we wanna be able to snoop around on what you're doing. We wanna be in your system. The chinese have to do it is so law saying even though there are you know they've been masquerading independent chinese companies. There's nothing independent about them. So when the chinese bill the internet infrastructure of the future they will dominate all communications of the world. They will decide if we go dark or we. Don't you worked in the nixon white house in the ford white house in the reagan white house. The trump white house assess based on your personal experience. What will if history were accurate. What would it say of. Donald trump in relation to those other presidents. We have to go to break. You can go to the podcast to hear her answer. You're going to like it all south. What there are a couple of places that i found increasingly over the last year that we find our best guests places that are doing really really good work. You probably know about hillsdale. Because they've partnered with conservative talk and and they're doing a lot of good work especially educating people that are getting a little older outside college age and and wanting to think about the constitution what it means and you know that we do a e r the other day we had teri macdonald from the f. e. e. there several of these organizations that are doing great work putting out good content as almost kind of continuing education for good civics and one of them that keeps coming up. Is the claremont institute. Our guest is matt peterson. His vp of education at the claremont institute founding editor of the american mind matt. If you would and you may have done this last time you were here for people who don't know what the claremont institute is. It keeps coming up as a source of good articles in good. Guess what is it. Well thank you for saying that. We are a forty year old think tank. That has a little different than others because it was never really involved in policy. It was always about promoting the principles of the american founding in contemporary life. So from the very beginning some of the best scholars on the american founding were associated with the claremont institute You know a lot of your listeners will know about the progressives and the progressive movement. That was something the right really. Didn't talk about until there was real scholarship about the history of america and what had happened so defining the ideas of the american right with something that claremont is was from the very beginning. In fact larry arnn of hillsdale was president of the claremont institute at one point He's also a claremont graduate student. Like many of us are Who studied political philosophy and american government. Program it doesn't exist anymore but used to exist and was one of the few in the country that actually Actually did that. I think well and right but what we do now. Is we publish. We teach and relitigate so we publish the claremont review of books and the american mind which i started two years ago. And we We litigated cases in the supreme court. Janis men Has been at that for a while and we also teach so we bring together networks of the best young professionals and young leaders in the country and our fellowship programs and we bring scholars from all over the country people in politics from all over the country Together to teach and networked together and move things in the direction that we think. We need to go. Would you ever believe that you could make a living doing something so fun. It's it's unbelievable. I- i- i remind myself Frequently is at its. It's almost ridiculous at to get to get paid. I've done a lot of other things In my life and To be doing this is a great challenge. Actually because the tap task forces very serious but it is It is an amazing privilege to be paid to do it. Matt peterson is our guest. The article that caught our attention appears in the aforementioned of the american mind. A house dividing question bringing what is said in private into the open. What what is the reason you wrote this well for a long time. Now i've i've noticed As i'm sure many many of you have I've noticed that there's a two track conversation going on in america and You know usually when people talk about this. They'll say well it's deplorable people on the other half the other half of the country and you know they might talk about this but we wouldn't you know good good. Elite people wouldn't talk about this. What is this divided. The country is in public. We talk about division and You know all the rancor and we fight and all that but then in private people talk about well what's to be done about it. How bad is it really. And what will it lead to. And what i noticed it was that many working professionals on the right people who were very smart you know very well paid Living in a different sectors of the american economy and tech and finance in you know big blue cities. I in fancy america. We're having very dark thoughts about where things are going and they this. This happens repeatedly. Meet someone and finance and say well. I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. The over financialisation of the economy. And i think it just seems like this could blow up in some way but you know what do i know i right about that. And they'll just look at me and say oh. Yeah i talk about that all the time. It could all blow up. You know you start to hear these kind of sentiments from people who are very accomplished to know things. Because they're doing things they're not you know. These aren't these aren't pontificators writing in in the papers. These people who are out there. And i think there's a lot of savvy folks who are thinking. This country is deeply divided. And it's not headed in the right direction and at the more. Let's say normal local level You find a lot of people out in the country for whom right now saying. Oh yeah. there's probably going to be a civil war is a nonchalant statement. They'll just say that out loud at the bar and you know made a joke ten years ago but now it's it's maybe not a joke and this is you know i know people thinking about leaving the country on the right i mean so so this is this is a serious discussion and i think we publish this above all i because i don't like the idea of us talking about something in private about how well this is really serious. What's going to happen in the country will break up and then having a public conversation. That's kinda pretending. Everything's a little better than it. Is you know outside the political structure more sort of cultural and obviously on a base level financial. What's happening with the game. Stock game stop and amc and bed. Bath and beyond and melvin capital. All that i see a lago trends. I see a very aggressive lurch toward a strong populism that for years saw on the left and now we're seeing on the right and it's very interesting times where there is sort of an anti establishment since among everyone and there is this idea. It's very french revolution in many ways that there. Is this idea that people have been repressing thing you can do. This is what the line of of the title bringing what is said in private into the open. you know. I feel that this desire to sort of suppressant sensor speech thought and commentary on the basis that it is nazi or fascist or white supremacist. I think it ends very badly. I think it is very very badly because people who can't get their voice out they find other ways and and those aren't always as harmless as just posting on social media pages. Absolutely i mean absolutely and and this is. This is the problem right now. The entire dynamic in the country is You know we won. we Kind of the responsible people who are in charge one and everything's fine. Everything's going to go back to normal. And trump is really the problem right and we are just to make sure that everything goes back to normal and we're going to force you to acknowledge that everything's going back to normal dammit and here. They are in a Militarize capital with no citizens at an inauguration. And you know. I was sitting there watching that and it very much related to these articles. We published the separation Because i thought to myself the imagery forget about what were you think about the politicians. Just the imagery is. This is one political class alone. Surrounded by soldiers celebrating the triumph of democracy on inauguration day and the image you have is. You're not there. It's you against them. And this is very dangerous for any regime wants you. This is in fact why the left promotes all the stuff. This is why they need to divide by race because the terrifying idea is that. If really the many i mean all all the people the majority of people ganged up against the rich mean. That's a that's a tough dynamic. In in in many societies without a middle class that leads to radical instability. This interview is posted on our podcast. Wherever you get your podcast and yes we do keep talking and you can hear all of it there. Tom lost to see. You wanna stop so thank you. Ma'am lot of people. What happened in the game. Stop case and one person posted a pretty good explanation. I'm not sure who posted it because it was sent by a friend. But i'm going to read it to you and try to simplify it. Here's what he said. I know at least one of my followers doesn't quite understand what's happening in the stock market right now. And that's enough to motivate me to explain because this is somewhat of a turning point in world history. And he's right. I you need to understand what a short is in trading. A short is when you borrow a stop from a broker and sell it immediately at its current price. Then you hope. The stock's price falls such that you can buy the stock back at a lower price and return the shares. You borrowed back to your broker but you keep the difference example. Let's say i want to short. Xyz or game stop which has a current price of ten dollars. I borrow one share. And i sell it immediately at ten dollars. I have ten dollars now. But i oh my broker the one share i borrowed. Let's say the price of xyz drops to seven dollars now decide to cover which means by back my short position and i buy one share at seven dollars and return the borrowed share to my broker. I made ten dollars when i sold. And i only had to pay seven to buy it back lower so my profit is the three dollars difference. But now let's say that instead of the xyz price dropping to seven dollars it goes up to fifteen dollars. I still need to return. The one borrowed share to my broker. Except now it's going to cost me a lot more to buy it back. If i buy it back at fifteen. So i can return. The borrowed shares. My losses will be the five dollar difference between selling at ten and re buying it fifteen. Since the price can rise indefinitely by potential losses as a short seller are unlimited. At some point. I have to buy it back to return the shares. I borrowed the more the prices rise the bigger my losses now for game. Stop a few weeks ago. A person read it which is actually wall street bets. Which is the reddit group. It's online group. Noticed that a hedge fund had taken a massive amount of short trades against game. Stop in other words. They were betting that the price would drop. They convinced everyone on the thread to join forces and by as much game. Stop stock as possible. This made the price rise and the hedge funds short position started to lose billions their losses even surpassed the thirteen point one billion dollars that the hedge fund was worth eventually. The hedge fund had to close their short positions and by all the game stop stock back at much much. Higher prices sending the price even higher. Still this is called a short squeeze now. Hedge fund is declaring bankruptcy and the reddit. Thread is combing through other hedge funds with massive short exposure. So they can short squeeze them into bankruptcy as well. All of wall street is saying that the public joining together in this fashion should be illegal but really they just lost at their own game to the masses. This is the equivalent of the trump political phenomenon. This is the equivalent to the lockdown protests in the netherlands over the last few days this is the equivalent to brexit where the british people said. We're tired of being governed from paris and berlin. we want our own policies local town. This is the equivalent of the texas nationalist movement. It's the equivalent of california nationalist movement to get out of those states. This is the equivalent to the tea party in two thousand ten. They're is brewing a populist sentiment across many platforms across many institutions. You're seeing it with universities. You're seeing folks beginning to realize the ivy league exclusive universities and their incredible cost are the the playground of the rich celebrities. That's how they pay her the guy who gets them into the schools that their kid had no business being in. You're seeing that. Those universities are about a social network of people who all go to the right schools. Who all go to the right universities. Who all vacation in the right place. They hire each other's kids. They invest in each other's companies. They gathered together and hold fundraisers in their living rooms for the obamas in clinton's and biden's they don't want anyone else storming the gates. They live in fear that the security guard or the gardner is going to figure out. What the hell's going on and that the game is rigged. They stopped trading on game. Stop stop and others on a site called robin hood that fashioned itself power to the people anyone can trade stop. Ted cruz posted a post earlier today. Pointing out. This was a site that used to brag that anyone should be able to train but the moment a lot of anyone's started acting together to punish the big boys completely within the rules. The big boys start calling their politicians and their media members they start calling their cnbc's and there are senators and they start saying close it down pull up. The moat put the archers on the walls. The people are coming for our heads. This is happening in a lot of different areas. There's a lot of nervousness in the salons of georgetown and paris and san francisco and new york. The commoners are getting restless. The commoners are storming the gates. We've got to stop the michael berry. Show please clap. Police squad do have more dollars. Listen to the michael berry. Show fan versus the greatest. We take to go like no one. We're on the ground and then you get talking through my childhood hero. Was dan passerini. Lucky i feel have his come to be one of my dearest friends as an. How often does that happen. I can't. I can't text message. Davy crockett and go. Hey you wearing that hat today. I can't ask robert e lee. How running at universities going for him. I can't can't reach out to well. I guess could reach out to roy. Campbell have had a chance to meet him. But some of those folks. You don't get that chance. I feel very lucky but he told me this morning. He said it was fifty years ago today that the houston oilers drafted me and the nineteen seventy-one draft the draft known as the year of the draft. Jim plunkett was drafted number. One sorry you dot year. The drought year of the quarterback. Jim plunkett was number one archie. Manning was number. Two lynn dickey. Who ended up. Being the quarterback of the green bay packers was also in that damn passerini was number three. So you got plunkett. Archie manning and damn pastor any one two three three quarterbacks in a row what a drop plunkett of course would end up being the quarterback of the raiders. Interesting story when when the raiders won that goal in what eighty or eighty one. Passerini was a starting quarterback having been traded. Straight up between the oilers and the raiders but passerini his Thile was broken. In the middle of the season. Plunkett came off the bench. They went to the wildcard ended up going to the super bowl and winning it over the philadelphia eagles but anyway great memory for a lot of folks in houston and a lot of sports fans. And i thought. I'd share that fifty years ago today as i said on the show this morning. These are tough times. We're living in a lot of folks who are having these deaths of despair. Worry me. i think you've gotta find some happiness where you can for me. That's friendships memories. Food friendships faith. A mentioned friendships twice. Partly because i'd forgotten and partly because it's important memories important that we remember military guys will tell you. Never forget those who fallen. Because that's how you honor them. It was thirty five years ago today that the challenger exploded in. I remember it like it was yesterday. And i liked to close the show by remembering that very special moment those very special people and that time in american history and that great man who was the president at the time september twenty eighth nineteen eighty six thirty five years ago today. We'll just go through some of the audio and let you remember this memory. It being space city many of you were there on the ground. Many of you are family members of them. And i think the greatest tribute we can give is to remember now. And you're going through a here looking very carefully situation malfunction. We have a report from the flight dynamics officer that vehicle has exploded. Flight director confirms that we are looking at Checking with the recovery forces to see what can be done at this point. This is mission control. Houston we have no additional word at this time. Today is a day for morning. And remembering nancy and i are paying to the core of the tragedy of the shuttle challenge. We know we share this pain with all of the people by country. This is truly a national loss. Nineteen years ago almost to the day we lost three astronauts and a terrible accident on the ground. But we've never lost an astronaut in flight. We've never had a tragedy like this and perhaps we've forgotten the courage it took for the crew of the shot but they the challenger seven were aware of the dangerous but overcame and did their jobs brilliantly. We mourn seven heroes. Michael smith dick's. Kobe ronald mcnair ellison owner zucca gregory jarvis and christa mcauliffe. We mourn their loss as a nation together the families of the seven. We cannot bear as you do the full impact of this tragedy but we feel a loss. We're thinking about you so very much. You loved. Ones were daring and brave. They had that special grace that special speaker at the says. Give me a challenge. And i'll need it with joy. They had a hunger to explore the universe and discover truths. They wish to serve and they did. They served all of us. We've grown used to wonders in this century. It's hard to dazzles but for twenty five years. The united states space program has been doing just that the crew of the space shuttle challenger honored as for the manner in which they live their lives. We will never forget them nor the last time we saw them this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye and slipped the surly bonds detach the face of god you know when the shadow launched and the challenge exploit it was almost looking straight up that but because we had viewed the the launch in nineteen eighty-five his first mission. We knew something went wrong immediately. Unfortunately after the accident when we view the launch You can see are fleeing coming out at a rocket booster from the leak on a rocket booster who just shooting on the main fuel tank. What made it explode. He left us doing what they wanted to do. He went into the program with his eyes wide. Open it's something that the family respected and we accepted. Those are a special breed. People astronauts amazing combination of science and athleticism pure brilliance commitment but also explorers fearless. One of my highlights of the last year was getting to have the conversation with commander jim lovell from the apollo ruth rights. I'm twenty years older noon. The january nasa event that's burned in my memory is the burning of the apollo capsule. That killed gus grissom ed. White and roger chaffee january sixty seven. Some powerful memories bump philip stamp passerini challenger signs along the highway. Just take a moment every so often when it seems like the news of the day is getting you down. Close your eyes unless you're driving and transport yourself back to something that makes you happen. Maybe it's somebody that you thought was great may be. It was a moment. Maybe it was a sign or a meal or a person. That's how we get through tough times.

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Episode 245: Arent You Forgetting Something?

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Episode 245: Arent You Forgetting Something?

"Trump, says Congress what Congress Chicago explodes and the NCWA send some ominous signs football fans that twenty twenty isn't going to be a year. Welcome to the editors hosted this week by me, AL CW CW COOK and featuring. Jim. If they canceled the season and the jets can't lose a game right garrity and Madeleine lower your flags and march straight back to England. Rich lowry is on vacation this week. Sponsors the conceived in Liberty. Speak. Series by the Bradley Foundation and the American Story Podcast by Claremont Institute more on which later. But I. President trump decides lay task say ma, he signed an executive order series of executive orders. Over the weekend. In which he well usurped the Legis the church didn't do what he wanted it to do. The executive orders do four things. One. Instructs. His administration to look into ways of helping Americans who are facing eviction wants not especially controversial doesn't really do much. The second extends the deferral of student loan obligations essentially allowing students who owe money to miss payments without penalties. The. Third. Extends the emergency supplemental unemployment insurance benefits from the Caz Act and the fourth, which is by far and away the most controversial. Suspense payroll tax payments for some workers through the end of the air although it doesn't right off the tax burden. Jim Conservatives made a big deal it when President Obama did such things and were upset when he promised to resort his pen and his phone, and now president trump looks as if he's doing the same thing though. Yeah. There were a couple objections here in there Ben Sasse stands out but by and large. There was very little objection from elected Republicans and really not even from be safe for the the right of center media World I. Guess I can get me no an additional bonus editor's pick in here in that I think you will live in and Adam j white wrote a really good piece for US laying this all out and observing about how. You can probably twist yourself into a pretzel saying, well, trump's is different because of this and because of that look, there's nothing else. This is the spiritual descendant of Barack Obama selling have a pen and a phone, and I'm going to take you know and basically deciding to enact DACA INDABA without Congressional concurrence without Congressional authorization without Congressional Action I. In the corner, the other day I. Like it was kind of remarkable is not a trump. Did it? No not surprising? This is this is incl-. Tirelessly in keeping with the way, trump sees his his view of the office I'm sure John. You would would ready to burst through the wall like the Kool aid man to say, Hey, you know there's A. There's a validation for this. This is how the presidency is supposed to operate, but I think a lot of conservatives look at this differently certainly, we looked very different the this differently when Obama was president and I think what I wrote in a corner post earlier this week and it really kind of sticking in my craw is not just the trump did this. But how little debate or discussion that there was there was really even I think the objection from Democrats was not so much on the constitutional grounds of the President does not have the authority to do this. It was much more in the context of Orangemen bad and if any if if if trump had given them everything they wanted. By direct executive action and ignoring the will of Congress they probably would have been fine with it. There is no inherent view of that I thought two thousand fourteen Sheila jackson-lee and a bunch of other democratic members of Congress. They had this whole press conference in ceremony where they introduced called drafted executive orders. This is right around the DACA decision and they basically were like these are executive orders. We'd like to see the president do and I think no, you're in the legislative branch you have a job under this system it's to introduce legislation and yes, that can be hard. It's meant to be hard. The founding fathers knew what they were doing your have to build consensus and it seems like it's this alien concept these days it like people really the dominant attitude and sadly I think as much on the Republican side or almost as much. On the Republican side as it is on the democratic side, is this the at the attitude of most people in politics elected or grassroots activists? The whole bulk caboodle is if I'm I, want I want what I want when I want it and I don't care how I get it and is ultimately anti-constitutional as bad enough when you know joe six pack thinks that but it's even worse than members of Congress think that because members of Congress. Big First thing they do upon taking office is to swear an oath to preserve, protect and defend the constitution right there. I, looked it up, see the words and they just. Ignore it, and they're completely comfortable with an idea of government that is completely at odds with the separation of powers in the constitution. So I began this week pretty aren't depressed. Charlie I. You know it wasn't that I was the lone American on this podcast I'm happy with that Now i. just a sense that those of us who've been arguing for the constitution. Just this old dusty document under the glass at the National Archives nobody really seems to think about too much anymore. Where we will skip over Jim's micro aggression, I am of course American to and been since two thousand eighteen. You're not an American. But like me, you are an immigrant and you came to America with a conception of how things are supposed to what does this bother you? When it doesn't. Yeah, it definitely doesn't I I agree with Jim. That it's annoying to see the hypocrisy of Democrats who do pay. To the Constitution win they're more than happy to completely bypass the constitution when it sits them. I actually think the Democrats are unlikely to sue or or certainly lead the legal charge against this executive action given that. The optics of it are not great. It would be essentially standing in the president's way as the president does something for the American people, which is very much needed. Like many things trump's does I came to get an sympathize with the impulse, which is that Democrats where very hard to negotiate with they were asking for way too much on their plans, which is totally disincentivize people to ever. Get unemployment, and that is a genuine problem not unindo sleep. I have friends who younger siblings or recent college graduates her living with her parents and nice affluent areas getting this this check coming every week can it's just why would they ever get job and I think that's obviously not sustainable. Think he's he was right that something has to be done This was not the way to do it I as a conservative on unfortunately and Charlie speak too much for this can this is obviously going to say rather unfortunate precedent if we ever want a progressive fan. Highly Progressive president, which is certainly postal. Am if you look at current pulling, then this could become a precedent on the point art partisan on Conservatives Parson. Hypocrisy and they say, well, you say you care about the constitution but actually when you had a conservative or sensibly conservative president seem to so So yeah, there's there's long term consequences. I'm less concerned both the the medium or short term consequences. Actually doing think that the payroll tax is particularly effective. 'cause my reading of the subjects is just the employers will withhold. The money and so when even it wouldn't even necessarily be advantageous to employees but yet the long term consequences are not great. Yeah, I agree with that. The one part I, suppose I diff A. On is the idea that this sets a precedent rather than ratifies it a precedent, right? We need to be clear about the provenance here and the scale. This pales in comparison to Obama's abuses but it is nevertheless a ratification, an endorsement of those abuses and unfortunately. We have seen the same Republican politicians who are apoplectic back in two thousand, thirteen, fourteen, either remain silent or in most cases Ben, Sasse in exception. Endorse this in some of even. Chuckled to themselves. Noted how clever. This is. Now. This is the wages of a bomber, ISM. Obama didn't just defer tax collection in an emergency. He refused to collect taxes entirely. Without any approval whatsoever with no underlying statute with no expensive law that could be squinted out with no emergency declaration that could be used as a justification nothing. He just did it because they were unpopular. And this is not. On the same scale, a STAKA which created positive new categories and effectively change the law, but it is precisely the same approach as Obama took. And it is just as damaging to our constitutional order, and this is a legislative function. It is arguably the most important legislative function. The best case here is that president trump can technically do what he did. Because Congress at another point said that he could in an emergency. and. Because the taxes aren't being. Written off that just being deferred but. It's an abuse even if that is true. And trump. Made it clear that it wasn't abuse. He suggested that one of the aims here. was to force Congress his hand he knows is going to be extremely difficult next year for Congress to ask people at the bottom of the income scale to pay taxes that were not taken out of their paychecks in a sense. What is done here is to create new facts on the ground. He went to Congress. He asked for a deal Congress set note for whatever reason it doesn't matter. In fact, it doesn't match Congress's reason was Yabu sucks we hate you. Said? No. And then he did it anyway and this is the same thing that that Obama did with Dacca. The idea of Dako was to create new facts on the ground and then dare Congress. To Undo it. And Bama was largely right in his calculation that it would and I think as Maddie says, trump is largely. Right in his calculation and the press will stay silent because it wants these unemployment benefits extended. The Democratic Party is not going to make too much I because of the politics, it's not great politics election year. To. Sue The president to raise taxes on poor people. Meanwhile, the constitution gets shredded justice. It did with Dacca and I know we have a lot of. Progressive. Listeners and most of them are. Thoughtful and Send. Interesting and considered emails I want to ask them well you. Twenty. Thirteen. Fourteen where was the Democratic Party? Where were the leading? Progressive rises I went nuts over Decca. I went nuts over Obama's unwillingness to enforce those parts of the affordable care act that he thought would be. Unpopular a law that he signed. I went nuts over trump's wall funding a couple of years ago and I'm happy to go nuts over this to this is disastrous for America. But where was the progressive movement where I was the Democratic Party when the seeds of this will being sown? And I remember back to Dhaka I'm show you do Jim. Every piece it seemed feature some random. Professor in Nebraska, a shoring the journalist writing. That what Obama was doing was one hundred percent legal. And that all of the other people. Who are objecting would probably racists and now those same people are all like, Hey, even article one, Bro. I remember, being told all procedural arguments of faecal disingenuous that no one cares about procedure. And we'd start. We'd say I actually support Dak legislatively, but then you'd be told you just trying to evade the question will wasn't an I'm not. This is really bad in needs to stop there's no excuse for it. I don't know if you guys saw us but Ronald Brownstein. said that trump doesn't understand any of this he stupid reactive. He's just doing whatever curse to him whatever he's. told to do, and maybe that's true but Obama wasn't. Obama was what a professor of Constitutional Law in knew what he was doing and he did it anyway. And I blame trump for this I am opposed to this trump should not have done it. It's not acceptable. There is no excuse. But Obama is complicit in this. And the people who justified Obama's behavior at the time are exactly the same as all of the Republican politicians who and now. Either Stang silent or saying it's OK again, Ben Sasse notably excluded. Those. People are hacks. Situation lists their operatives, and I hope next time. Have foresight. Sorry, Tim. Now. Trump by the animating spirit of both of these explicitly said by Obama and I don't think. I don't think trumpy precisely said this but this is definitely a big subtext is if Congress won't act I will. That's not what this country was founded upon, and in fact, you could argue it's very much what we fought a revolution against this idea that too much that this too much power should be concentrated in one part of the government. I think what's fascinating? Wise. Man told me longtime ago when I was having a Particularly frustrating. Argument and fight some other folks on the right is the difference between conservative and a right wing ideologue. The conservative cares about how you do something as much as what you're doing. The right wing ideologue doesn't really care how they get what they want to support that they get they want and the it's interesting to see the arguments from those who defend this from the trump perspectives at Congress is being unreasonable. Yes and I'm sure that's exactly how Obama felt about the Republican Congress back when he was you know contemplating Dhaka this. But the other great irony of course is that Obama, had spent several years insisting that he did not have the constitutional authority to do this all by himself that he needed Congress to act and that he and then all of A. Sudden my suspicion is that he realize that the sand in the hourglass were sinking through on his presidency. Then if he was going to do something like this, it was going to have to require this kind of pushing the constitutional boundaries, bending them arguably to the point of breaking and that was kind of the. So he was the one who you're spe interesting. Oh. Actually do I look Lo and behold I. had this constitutional authority was back behind the couch I didn't see it this idea that you know. Okay. Well, I'm going to do this. Now I have this now we have this permanent change in how we handle. Immigration in our country because I the president of decided this is so. by the way, we should take a moment to walk around A. John, Roberts, with sharp stick for his desertion in the court handled desolate probably make the argument that the trump administration's arguments were sloppy and not the most effective but in that Supreme Court case. But in the end I don't think enough Americans appreciate why they're wipe passing legislation is hard and why the stuff isn't supposed to be you know Bing, Bang boom you get it right through. Yeah. Happens the worst things are you actually want this whole philosophy of the Senate supposed to be this this saucer and the t cools in it before You Pass something because when you pass something and if in an emergency we pass something really fast. That's one bad ideas usually end up getting. Shoved through the door. Well, look at Tendulkar Abuse Jim I. Mean Look at the potential for abuser. As I say this Pales compared to Dhaka make it remotely. Okay. But IT PALES DACA created new categories of immigrants and it took the idea of prosecutorial discretion and it turned it into a fast. You can't collectively. Declined to prosecute there's no discretion involved in that but. But the potential hair is absolutely enormous Stephen. Moore. Who seems to have been the architect of this? Put out a press release nine seconds off President Trump announced these executive orders in which he said the election is now fifty fifty the Democrats are going to have to sue to raise taxes. He's pleased by the politics of it but where's the limiting principle there it would be nice. Wouldn't it for any president to be able to say I am not going to enforce taxes during an election year but they will be owed the end of it and I hope Congress will drop them if I win, which is what trump said but that's not how the system works. You have taxes being enforced unless there is an election year. You can't have say the. Laws that people dislike. Being onerous unless the president is down. In the polls. That's that's a recipe not not just for. Caprice and chaos, but it's also a recipe for corruption. Those laws are unacceptable repeal. What I WANNA know matter you mentioned the long term consequences of this is, is a you of the view that this will now be come the norm that Democrat presidents will do it. Republican presidents will do it, and we'll just shrug and remember the time when we had meaningful separation of powers or do you think there's anything in the more sophisticated pro-trump argument that you read on the right which is look the only points at which the people who defended this approach back during the Obama Administration will learn is if we do it to them and then they'll be a ceasefire mutually assured destruction and we were so congress to its rightful place. That's very naive perspective in fit very rarely works. I think when it comes to eight Dursey, the laughter Oh was willing to go much further and I don't think that just on a purely first principles faces i. just don't think there's any justification along those terms. The Fan I am curious about in this particular instance is whether there will be a kind of. Strange bipartisan. Effect of the executive order which the he managed to trump doing doing this managed to get Ben Sounds, or nice get Chuck Schumer to agree with Ben size that this was unconstitutional slow I think was the. Term used almost wonder if like this could actually be supplanted by some kind of bipartisan legislative package whether this would have akin of strange effects If if people can rally against this principle I, don't know if you have thoughts on that. Well certainly, an interesting point you raise, which is it's not just a matter of the Senate per se having its perogatives usurped but. It's Republicans to one of the problems back in two thousand, thirteen fourteen was that in order to make the case against Obama's behavior you had to say, well, you know Republicans won the house. In two thousand ten. And for those people who hate Republicans that was unconvincing here I think it's odd because it's not just the president trump has taken away the power of Chuck Schumer. Nancy Pelosi he's also undermining. The authority of all of those. Republicans in the Senate who said No. This was a bipartisan rejection. which has skated by and. I think that should focus a minds. Even those mindset appeared cynical purely outcome oriented the president has bucked his own party. He has taken away essentially the votes off Republican voters who chose to put. The Republican candidate for Senate in there rather than a democrat. So we've now reached the point at which this is not purely a Democrat versus Republican left be right question. But a question of branch free Brunch. And I am I'm interested by that idea Mattie I. Don't have a great deal of faith though that Congress will rise up and Reassert itself because the dirty little secret hey is the vast majority of people in Congress, in an election year don't want to take. Difficult votes and don't want to be accused of bucking. The president as far as Republicans are concern, which is what they would have to do to to override. A veto Jim do you have thoughts on the likelihood of that? You know again, it's been deeply the one hand I. Early this week I was thinking about how? Any party has a hard time standing up to their own president. It's just it's baked in the cake. Right you go to fight with your own the president of your own party. The president can always get back at you. You're always in a situation read like the president to do favors whether it's you know you want your district, you WanNa fundraiser. So this baked in the nature of our of our modern politics members of Congress are not eager to really stand up to their own president navy president in trump who loves to lash out at people who piss him off, who loves to get revenge who love it we saw immediately went on this tirade about Ben saw Ben. Sasse. Right. So you've got this almost perfect storm, which is very few incentives to do the right thing to say no Mr President, you don't really have that. But as I mentioned at the Sheila jackson-lee example in this kind of gradually creeping attitude towards the war powers act members of Congress want to support something if it's popular. and. Then if it's unpopular, they want to run fleeing and they don't want to have anything to do with it and so as bad as as trump has been during this. The vast majority of Republicans who are still in Congress obviously, fewer fewer of them in the house and there used to be. are comfortable with this because trump takes most of the flack trump goes off and crazy directions and they have to hide from reporters but by and large they get you know down and stay in there. It's generally stay in office or their hope to stay in office. And you know the my suspicion is that we saw massive waves of Republicans retiring in two thousand eighteen retiring this cycle. It's because members members of the house realize this is what the job is. Now you're sort of figure head you don't really do you're you're not really a CO equal branch of government you're just somebody who's like one of the you know lower lower tier ax in this endless circus that the trump administration and so I I I can get why they do that. But in the end, this is you know if you don't want these constitutional duties Joe Run for Congress. 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So the police, their side of this story is that this was in response to or the pretexts for this looting wasn't response to disinformation. So they as you summarize, they said that there was an active shooter here the show I think he was a twenty year old male. This was posted on facebook as them having short a fifty fifteen year old boy in the face. This was then a call to arms and I think this question is that this was basically organized criminals just like taking advantage of mass hysteria am what seems to be too can. Immediate thoughts to this I am the first is that given that there was for warning and you should see this buildup online Why weren't they able to can see coming in and do more? To. Stop. It and I think if you if you zoom oh look at. The Democratic Mayor Laurie Hey, she's handled. That various stages of the of the riots It's it's been the same pattern that most democratic municipalities half, which is just a lot of virtuous signaling not a lot of decisive action. This was slightly worse as well. In that on Saturday, she had taken to twitter to Taylor some sunbathers. Am I think she she said it's called upon denic people and and described as his reckless behavior. The fact that I think it was mostly gay actually congregating with their shirts off and on. And yet back in July, she tweeted our unequivocal support for the for the protesters expressing their first amendment rights. So there's just like there's a in here. People are getting fed up and then I. think the most damning statement in my view came from police superintendent who said. Basically said criminal this happened because criminals knew that they could take to the streets in this way. I know have any consequences for their actions. So when your own police superintendent is saying that I think that you really need to kind of. Get. Your Act together. Yeah. So Jim as Maddie says, Lori lightfoot the Mayor of Chicago has been all over the place in her rhetoric and displayed some. Fairly, brazen double standards. Tell me if you think this is fat I read. Laurie light fits condemnation. Of the looting she said, this was a brazen and criminal looting and destruction. This is not anywhere near acceptable and I thought what acceptable was interesting because the application there, and this is bolstered in my reading by her other statements has been some of the previous violence has been acceptable at least it has been overexuberance in the service of a legitimate course whereas with this, she say own don't do that that takes it too far to what extent is she now suffering the consequences of her own unwillingness to condemn lawbreaking earlier in the cycle. Is going to say this is not the first time the magnificent mile and Chicago attack there was video people. Just a whole crowds rampaging into the Nike store coming out with shoe boxes and t shirts and everything they could possibly get their hands on. So this has happened before not that long ago In fact I think somebody's observed that the glass the Nike Store did not get broken this time. They may have upgraded it to a much more impact resistant glass. Your modern reality of being in a downtown city in twenty twenty I. Kind of wonder if this week is going to be if this turns out to be factor in the twenty twenty elections November. And things do not turn out as badly for the Republicans as people think and I think it's you know there's still The future is still unwritten on this I. Think this past week may be seen as a turning point and it's kind of couple interesting and things. The first is the New York Times wrote this piece deeply reported from Seattle and said, you, know a headline was abolished the police, those who survived the cast and Seattle aren't so sure what is it like when a city abandoned a neighborhood and the police vanished business owners describe a harrowing experience calling for help and being left all alone. Now this ran on August seventh. It was covering events that occurred in July and a whole bunch of people were saying, Hey, this is what I was hearing from social media around the ground the whole time the rest of the New York Times is telling me this is all Hunky Dory. This was all just a big street festival and nobody needed the cops nonstop. But as if there was this like this giant sudden correction in which the New York Times at Oh wait actually when they tried to do away with the police. And the the Bob took over a neighborhood in Seattle it didn't turn out as well as we initially thought. So then you have but I, I, still have this feeling that this will you're seeing initially saw in Seattle and you saw it in Portland that there was not necessarily break breakthrough and make you know Mr and Mrs Middle? America feel nervous about this in part because Seattle and Portland have these reputations of these cities full of Weirdos we remember Lancia Seattle's had the protests going back the WTO, the nine Hundred Ninety S. Okay. They have a bunch of crazy lefties out there. That's kind of what they've always been, etc.. The image Monday morning of them, raising the bridges on the river in Chicago. as Charlie, you've probably noticed everything about the world entirely comes for movies and I was reminded of Batman begins, which ended you know the fear gas spreading all over Gotham city and people are losing their minds. It is chaos. It is anarchy and they raised the bridges to contain the violence and anarchy life is imitating art and what was supposed to be a portrait of a city beyond control. Unfortunately, there is no Batman and so here's this kind of this interesting Oh this can happen in Chicago. This can happen in downtown Chicago. Up until recently, we thought Chicago is the place where the biggest menace were these Maga. Hat wearing maniacs. Actors on the show from. Empire. But in fact, know this this magnificent mile can be you know anomaly trashed with graffiti and such you can see my understanding was was. A SATIRIC CD Jeff saying that people are coming up with you halls And just cleaning up the stores that everything they could get their hands on There is a pattern here and Republicans can make this case I think anybody who you know. that. Right now, you have this pattern of the BLASIO lightfoot in Chicago. Ted Wheeler and Jenny Durkan in Portland and Seattle who just shrink in the face of this serious threat to law abiding citizens and private property, and in the end we talked that last segment about members of Congress who don't really want to the job of being a member of Congress here you have mayors who don't really want to be mayor they don't. Want to enforce the laws they don't want to be in this position. They don't want to confront this power problem because doing so might alienate some of their political allies or I suspect they fear they'll have a challenge from the Left Guess What folks? This is the job you signed up for this is the job you campaign for get out there and do it. But they will not and I think there's an argument that even if this is you know even if these cities are always going to be electing Democrats almost worth noting they're probably some people in the nineteen eighties without Repub, the New York would never elect a Republican mayor. Then, you know basically Republicans can say look we have our flaws were not perfect but we understand that there must be law there must be order and that just because people claim to be acting in the name of noble cause, they can't run around and do things they can't steal things they can't destroy other people's property i. think that's a message most Americans will go for and I think that you know Democrats are really skating thin ice and I think that New York Times article saying Hey Seattle didn't turn out. So well was in early important indicator of this Mattie what's your res on that as? Conservatives say family. In many cases the the cities in which these problems tend to arise are run by the Democratic, party and so merely instructing people to go and vote is unlikely to change much Chicago I believe has not had a republican mass since one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, one. Almost a century. So, merely putting up billboards and saying how important it is to turn up the ballot box is. Unlikely, to change a great deal and yet it is true that. Voters close to those cities. Often. Do Change Their voting habits as a result of this sort of activity. In one reason Illinois, a state used to go read in presidential elections. was. Crime. Yes Chicago State, Democrat controlled. But Illinois was not. And of course, as Jim says, if you push too far, you will end up with Republicans in charges we saw in New York with Rudy Giuliani only just. Cal Smith pointed this out this week that. Giuliani one that watershed election. With fifty one percent of the vote was it was not a landslide. So I wanted to do you think that? It is likely that this will. Change. Some mines or is this baked in or perhaps this is trump and the Republican party likely to suffer because people say well, look through the president as. Well there is a obviously there's. A kind of amuses me that in New York. where I am Thurs being this mass accidents of all the the rich liberals. are in the hunt. And it's funny because people who hold these views about well, actually to fund the place. Yes. Absolutely wherever they live in Nice affluent gated communities. And they're able to get out of the danger areas I. Think Ordinary Americans don't hop that can luxury I mean if you look at if you look at pulling data. Especially, as it pertains to pull rising, generally do Actually, people are not anywhere near as partisan as. Politicians assuming they are they're actually They're they really care mostly in peace. You know kind comes down and actually on on a day-to-day level being able to let them safe securities. So fundamental that I could see don translating into voting as you say the it'd be it'd be very easy to exaggerate that or to overplay it. But I definitely think is created an opening for US serious law and order candidate Republican candidates can make the case for why what they're offering important right now. I think it's In the background while you were speaking, we could hear police sirens. I don't I don't actually leading the nice part time Charlie. So, this is a personal issue for me. Yeah. You don't want to defend those police sirens. Exactly. They're actually a comforting to me. Well, second sponsor this week is the American story. PODCAST, by the Clermont Institute. The American story is a free weekly short-form podcast that aims to reveal and remind listeners of the goodness of our country, our country, Jim, hosts Chris Flannery at the Claremont Institute explores the ideas, events and people that have shaped the American way of life and understanding of what it is to be American Jim. As. The United States becomes increasingly disunited. 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You can find all the episodes and you can subscribe for free on apple podcasts, Google podcasts, spotify, or on your preferred podcast platform. That's the American story podcast. By the Claremont Institute. So yesterday morning. began to bubble up on twitter that always not well in the world of college football. I'm currently taking a break from twitter but whenever something interesting happens on twitter people, send me the tweets. So I saw the five all six. Offending tweets and I must say heart sank I am in North Florida College football is absolutely Enormously popular. It is read on a Saturday to see anyone who isn't wearing either a Florida gator shirt or Georgia bulldogs shut or whatever team. They started following back home before they moved to. North Florida. Jim. I don't know to what extent your college football fan but I know you're a big sports guy in general does this worry you in terms of sports for twenty twenty and also in terms of the full in twenty twenty? On all these levels. My interest in college football is generally well, I know the jets are going to be terrible. So let's they're going to be drafting next year. pull. The. Easy thing to root for you shift from team to team. Quickly sorry I have a quick story, but the jets when I was some a tourist I am actually went to jets game and I go into this massive found. This is before New, York I got massive foam finger on sitting there with my boyfriend at the time with this big phone figure and somebody behind US win who would buy a foam finger we suck. Just felt I just felt totally. Just like Ben, the Finger Day of course. They, did lose quite. So that is the inmate which. Isolate. Exactly. How could you tell twenty fourth two, thousand, fourteen? Yeah late late late Rex Ryan early Todd Bowles Yeah those are bad year anyway Yes. Sorry. Mattie you deserve to be treated better than some guy can take you to a jets game but at least you got to meet some of the innate positivity and optimism because she did say boyfriend at the time. So she cleaned like. Sounds like upgraded. Anyway. The look. College football is a really big deal not just in the south but in a whole bunch of parts of the country where there isn't a pro team where in you know whether it's Gainesville, Happy Valley in in Pennsylvania by and large. These are parts of the country where you know this what you do on Saturday this is what you. Get excited about if you ever watch you know College Game Day where you see pretty much not just the entire campus but the entire community come out in these swarms by some of the biggest stadiums at the country are college football stadiums was University of Michigan I wanNA say their attendance is more than one hundred, thousand people I mean these are huge deals. And so obviously, this is this is almost akin to canceling Christmas, this is a disappointment on an epic scale for some of these communities I suppose you could try to from that trying to extrapolate what's the mood of the country going to be come November you know is that GonNa. Be reflects badly for incumbents or is it going to people in people in a bad mood? We'll probably have a lot of reasons to be in a bad mood in the fall. But the indicate look people kind of recognize I wrote about this for a little while ago. The NBA can proclaim the bubble the NHL players in two Canadian cities and get through it. Okay. Baseball. Had some bumps in the road. Thank you Florida. Marlins. I'm sorry. Miami Marlins. In my mind. Sally the whole state with the. Marlins. A The One of those things college football, it's just tougher. The rosters are bigger more players are on the field they're crashing into each other. It's going to be really tough to prevent the spread and there's been this thing. Is there any way they're gonna be able to pull this off and I? They said we're not GONNA do at a conference games and now over the last forty eight hours, it looks like the season is likely to be other canceled entirely or maybe one or two conferences are going to. Try to do it. Maybe some teams will not go along with the decision of their conference. It looks like if we get any college football this fall, it's going to be very, very limited and that's going to be. That's going to be a deep bummer for a lot of people but I think what's more it kind of indicates look this. This has been an ordeal I've been having. You know talks of my sons who are like, you know how much longer is this going to go on and? Miss My kids and we've all been putting up with this since at least mid March. But? The. God's middle of August. You know we've had AK ships cancel the can't travel give Americans leave the country. You know. It's gotTa be over soon right? Well, maybe not. As we get closer to winter. Cold and flu season begins You'd like to think that the isolation we've been doing would minimize the spread of that. But you know people talent, the medical experts who telling people since that flu shots available go out and get it because you don't want to be. The hospitals deal with everybody having the flu at the same time. They're still dealing with the dealing with the current coronavirus were supposed to get the vaccine late this year early next year probably won't be distributed on a massive scale until let's say late winter early spring. You know we may or may not have football this this this fall we may have another miserable winter ahead of us more intriguing ideas being kicked around the idea of doing spring football in college football. He kind had that option you. You nobody else's using those stadiums than you can probably arrange it. Maybe that would be a good idea maybe it worked out. For a lot of these teams but you know just another one more giant bitter pill to swallow in a year. We're all just you know feelings. We've got one after another just a deeply frustrating set of circumstances s I have to say this came as a little bit of a surprise to me. Most of the sports obsessive know had been predicting this but. It felt to me because I'm such a big baseball fan. That things were improving perhaps purely because I've got to watch baseball every night for the last two weeks and also that the schools reopening here in Florida and the cases certainly in my county really dropping and a bunch of people I'm friendly with have started flying again and I was getting the impression. Hey, this. This looks like it's improving a little bit and then this this news came came out of the blue now Maddie I know you're not. A college football fan and. You could say that journey. Surely. My story indicated great with us was your first exposure to the game was was the jets and I. Just assume you run away from it. But scoring. Except, the players are professionals. But it's Not a college football fan mighty. But but I, I wonder whether you shed my growing sense of optimism or. Whether I've been kidding myself and this fits perfectly within your worldview anticipation. Well I. Don't I don't know if I had many expectations because it's not something I spent an awful lot time. Thank you. But my to says a person who doesn't spend a little time to give it. This is that the first is. For in terms of safety for the players themselves like I kind of thought SIPOS dangerous. gave me maybe I'm missing something here, but I would have so. There's there's quite a high risk of injury in that game anyway, and so throwing in the chance of catching Kerr devices is maybe now. That that different in terms of the risks of the game at least for the players themselves the the bigger issue I think is is obviously a domino effect. This has on the economy because I didn't quick Google. At different universities, actually get in revenue from his absolute enormous. Alabama I think is seventy, seven, million and six point five million that goes to their academic programs. This this really devastating effect I think a knock on effect on. So many other aspects of life for for these communities where cultural. Thing in that say nothing of people who have scholarships I mean if you're a male player I think my understanding is you have a biological clock and so you only have. So many years to kind have really. Shoe show you what your potential So it's really sad did not respect and also I suppose theat if some conferences Pelote, then it really can strict on on the whole on thing I'm imagining like the World Cup, where Lake Esley France Spain or in it, and then well, if you know if there's only three. Countries participating would really be a victory. If these championships went ahead, I don't really know I. think There's there's a law old side. There's a lot of consequences that would come from something like this. So it shouldn't be done lately. Yeah. That's one reason why. A number of people said to me. I'm not sure that we're going to get college football nfl for that matter. I thought I. Don't know because as you say, this is a four billion dollar. Industry. We don't need to relitigate the. Issues with the way the is set up but Maddie you're absolutely right. This is one of the main funnels of money into colleges and it doesn't just affect their sports programs. So. Jim, do you have any thoughts on? How that's going to affect not just two colleges per se but football going forward chair well. They've already given up March madness, the a traditional spring basketball tournament, which is a huge ratings and has sixty four disruptive sixty eight teams. Once you have the play games and stuff that's a huge deal both for the networks for advertisers for all schools that participate you look back on the blog of INSTA- Pundit Glenn Reynolds, and he's been talking about the the coming collapse of higher education or the bursting bubble of higher education and some people might say, okay ready for the bubble burst by now But this it's it hasn't been a bursting of the bubble it has been a slow motion process but you. Are Starting to see universities and colleges are realizing Oh. We've we've gotten used to being able to hike tuition well beyond the range of rate of inflation year after year decade. After decade, we may have hit the ceiling of what people can afford to pay even when they get loans even with government aid etcetera etcetera, and now all of a sudden like one of the one of the legs of the stool that's holding him up is GonNa get kicked out there. They're not going to have all that revenue from college sports, their use having Stanford University which has the I think the third biggest down in the Country Announce that they're getting rid of not all but I think it was like a half a close to a dozen of their non revenue generating sports the you don't get a lot of money from rowing competitions from gymnastics, volleyball all the other sports in a perfectly good sports and God bless every student athletes participated. But unfortunately, they're not shown on ESPN all through Saturdays and on Fox and on. ABC, on Saturday nights. So you don't get that giant television revenue so you don't get the money come in it. So people you know they're generally the revenue from football and basketball has managed to support these sports and eat at. Stanford University with this giant endowment is saying, we can't afford to keep doing this. A lot of schools are going GonNa look at this and say I don't know if we can get to you these programs at all and there may be some schools that have said they're thinking about not keeping their college football program that they're not with the one of the ones. That's you know getting huge numbers of victories. It's huge corporate sponsors and selling out large luxury boxes and all the ways you make money. Some schools might look at the cost, the cost of the program what is bringing in and saying this isn't necessarily worth it. For those of us thought that college, the higher education drastically needed some sweeping reforms and for those of us who thought that the college athletics world was increasingly turned corrupt under the NCAA. The basically colleges had decided to become the developmental leagues for the NFL and NBA, and that this was not it more and more colleges restrain away from their purpose, which was to educate young people. That maybe this is going to lead to some ness some some improvements down the road. But for now, it's going to be supremely painful for a whole bunch of schools at Bisley believed the money was just gonNa keep flowing in forever and ever we know it's been interrupted for one year, and my sneaking suspicion is that we're going to have long lasting lingering changes to our culture. I couldn't sports culture including idea that you know we're just not gonNA count the how do you compare baseball camp statistics for this year? To all previous years when there's only sixty games, how do you compare you know go nobody knows who's going to win the NBA Championship? Because they had this China interruption to the year some guys opted out it's going to be nothing. Twenty twenty is really going to be comparable to what happened before and we're hoping we get back to normal but none of us have any real idea about when people will be back in our lives. On that depressing note. Trying injected at a levity with our light items, Mattie. Your Mama's discovered facebook filters. Yes. So so. Raise it is great and the time like this to have ways, it's not only talking to your family live abroad but seeing them unday. and My mom who is very Very Smart Accomplished woman. Just thinks that there's nothing more serious than life than than these filters that turn you into a watermelon nor turn you into our bunny rabbit or? or Elvis, Presley. This actually happened I initially by accident we're having quite serious conversation actually. Which I would I would bore you with the details on in any case GM pit some button. And there he was Elvis on she just I'm also has this thing where she she when she starts laughing she just starts crying with laughter and she won't stop it's very infectious. So yet she's she's been really enjoying the facebook filters as as I am indirectly. Good. With really bad news. I'm sorry I don't think Auntie module is going to make it and she's which you know what the would be kind of like out Glaswegian we have very dark says if you are though my mom, my mom's English is I think mentioned she before which is supposed makes me half? English but that's another story and certainly not a late we'll have a crossing Tim You think everyone is in the same boat. Yeah. In previous editions of this podcast with came to the lighter items talked about doing online happy hours and You know socially distance get togethers with the other parents our kids it dawned on me of the day. There are certain people I'm hearing from more often certain friends through online. Forms of chat than I did before the pandemic when we'd have to bother to pick up the phone and talk to each other and our conversations are generally how you doing and you'll be quickly realized everybody's in the same boat in the sense that everybody's got the same problems everybody's kind of you know. Kids are going nuts They're not going to have school in the fall you know online learnings. Ridiculous. are you going anywhere might be going someplace but you know they they wanNA fourteen everybody's in the same situation and I wrote the first morning jolt of the week talking about. If you're having a tough time getting through this and you have you feel like your wits end feel like you're you're ready to tear your hair out. It's okay. Because everybody's in this situation you're not alone. You're. You're you're not doing that bad. If you're if you're on this side of the dirt, you're doing. Okay. If your kids learned anything during distance learning, you did a good job. If you're still employed, you're doing something, right? You know this kind of the sense I don't know if people are giving themselves enough credit. For. Getting through what is a really challenging time and so every time I talked to my friends if you're a little bit better on this front and it's that recognition that no, there is nobody out there who is Whipping up amazing recipes every day and you know figuring out and they've lost twenty pounds and you know. Everybody is struggling with this in one form or another you just may not be able to see it. So if you're having a hard time, it's okay you just means you're a human being and we're going through a really extraordinary time and you know talk with everybody else you have this book all in this boat together and we will all sail through these stormy seas one way or another, and you know this is a shared hardship that we're all. GonNa look back on this and laugh. Someday. This is a nice little segway to my light item, which is Daniel Tiger's pbs kids show that is based on Mister Rogers. Mister Rogers esque. Monologue there jim very welcome one. Daniel Tiger is a a nice show and it revolves around lessons extremely useful for kids. Tells them that when they're feeling angry that count to Tan shows them that it's normal to be upset or feel jealous. And it's been great. We just subscribed to. PBS. Amazon prime channel I suppose you would call it to get this and it really shows you the kids absorb whatever it is they watching I mean. If my kids watch jake and the Neverland Pirates for example, on Disney plus and I have to scold them. We'll tell them not to stand on the table or to. put down a fork. and. They will say, Oh, you're. Response, which is not really what I'm looking for but with Daniel Tiger they. Don't internalize the lessons but they feed them back to me. How they're supposed to be well behaved or feeling a little bit angry at being scalded but that's okay. It'll jingles that they. Sing. So. If you haven't watched Daniel Tiger and you have young kids, I would recommend it not only. Kids show within the. Collection, but certainly a so corrective to the pirates brace worry about spider-man. Convey Belt on which you have probably found yourself. A lost item is our editor's picks Mattie. What's yours? I really enjoy a rich and Ramesh is why trump's losing? He's I thought it was both forceful unfair which is a rare combination when discussing president. So I thought opposite greet which I've Kylie recommend. Magazine piece that's now up on National Review Dot Com. Jim Guarantee. What's your edges pick? So, readers probably notice the most Democratic primary I'd kept a series of articles on the Democrat. It's twenty things you probably didn't know about each candidate and Fred flights who has worked in the National Security Profession took Rhode. A kind of a day with five more things. You probably didn't know about Susan Rice Susan Rice is being speculated as a likely choice for Joe Biden to be his running mate In fact, by the time you hear this, you may know. This listeners. But who the the running mate is and I'm obviously I would not ordinarily like somebody else coming along and saying, Hey, here's more stuff. Jim Should've mentioned but Fred is a very nice job with us and he lays out kind of like just a good perspective on Rice's duties how she handled it and what it was like to serve under that and all the headaches they made plenty of reasons for conservatives be nervous plenty of reasons for Americans to think. We have a sharp elbowed bureaucrat who is very good at covering her tail but not necessarily getting the job done Read it, check it out and heat it. Hopefully, this will be Oh, maybe this will not be maybe this'll be irrelevant a couple of days but considering I was Susan Rice's probably going to have some job in Abidin Administration. You should read this and be prepared for that eventuality. I think now every time you write one of your things you may not know about I'm going to write a follow up. The says one thing Jim guarantee missed. I presented that I twenty I didn't put Benghazi, and then there's really well you. Benghazi. About Benghazi. You probably didn't know. That's true. That's true. My edits pick is the series of pieces that one of summit interns Luther Able wrote from Portland Oregon. He volunteered to go out there and Witness the unrest and he's been writing it up he went down to. Protest outside a police station. He's spoken to some locals and done a bunch of interviews. All of them are interesting and worth reading and. Well done. Well. That is all we have this week you've been listening to the editors she a national review podcast. I've been filling in this week for rich lowry and the other guests have been Jim Jimgeraghty. And Madeleine Kerns we will be back later in the week with the second episode. Until. Then thanks to the Bradley Foundation on the Clermont Institute and to all of you for listening we will see you next time.

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S10 EP58: The Hope of Better Days

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S10 EP58: The Hope of Better Days

"Hello and welcome. It is erickson here. The full number if you'd like to be a part of the program is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five glad to have you with me this morning by the way and i wanna i if i can deviate a bit from the street headlines if you will. I'm sorry i'm trying to i. I forgot to push some buttons and flips switches as we as we launched the programs were and texting a friend of mine. All right now. I can focus. I wanna read you three different pieces and just bear with me in these. There are some new stories out. I guess you could say columns opinion pieces. That are there in the background conversation. If you will. And i want to bring them for the you know what happens. Oftentimes is the opinion leaders if you will and washington new york and the conservative movement the the editorialist. They're talking about things behind the scenes. And they're not really telling you what's going on. But the their responses to those things are shaping the way they then talk about the conversation. And i just think it in the interests of candor and fairness disclosure. I should bring you buying the curtain and let you listen to some of these And it starts with this piece by glenn elmer's at the american mind. The claremont institute and the headline is conservatism. Is no longer enough. It shows muscular guy wrapping his hands as if he's about to get into a boxing match. Here's limit let me just read you parts of this. Let's be blunt many of you by the way many of you are going to agree with this. Let's be blunt. The united states has become two nations occupying the same country when pressed or in private many would now agree fewer are willing to take the next step and accept that most people living in the united states today certainly more than half are not americans in any meaningful sense of the term. I don't just mean the millions of illegal immigrants obviously those foreigners who have bypass the regular process for entering our country and probably will never assimilate to our language and culture are politically as well as legally aliens. I'm really referring to the mini native born people. Some of whose families have been here since the mayflower who may technically be citizens of the united states but are no longer if they ever were americans. They do not believe in live by or even like the principles traditions and ideals that until recently defined america's nation as a people. It is not obvious what we should call these citizens. Aliens these non-american americans but they are something else. What about those who do consider themselves americans. By and large i referred to the seventy five million people who voted in the last election against the senile figurehead of a party that stands for mob violence rootless censorship and racial grievances not to mention bureaucratic despotism regardless of trump's obvious flaws preferring. His reelection was not a difficult choice. For these voters. In fact leaving aside the republican never trumpers and some squeamish centrists. It was not a difficult choice for either side. Both right and left know where they stand. Today it is not together not anymore. Those who wanted to make america great again may refer to themselves as republicans though many realize that apart from trump. The party does not really care about them. Mini may also some loose ways consider themselves conservatives but among those plumbers insurance salesman jim owners and factory workers. There's one question you can pretty much guarantee. They never discussed with their family. For what kind of conservative are you. This question is virtually no bearing on the problems that overshadow their lives. It is still a question however that occupies intellectuals journalists in the world of think tanks and this matters unfortunately because however sensible down earth the voters may be an effective political movement needs intellectual leadership to organize explain the movements purposes and goals. This leadership is still divided into the name. A few neo-con piliokahi not to be confused with paleo. Libertarians rad triads. That's radical traditionalist. The dissident right reform macon's etcetera distraction. But before i reject these disputes as mostly relevant. Let me make a couple of points about why we immediately leave the debate behind now. I'm actually going to skip over some of that. And i'm going to get to this. The great majority of establishment conservatives who were alarmed and repelled by trump's rough manner disregard for norms are almost totally clueless about a basic fact. Our norms are now hopelessly corrupt and need to be destroyed. It has been like this for a while. In the maga- voters knew it. While most of the policy wonks magazine scrubbers did not instill. It's almost every in almost every case. The political practices institutions and even rhetoric governing. The united states have become hostile to both liberty and virtue on top of that the mainline churches universities popular culture and the corporate world or rotten to the core. What exactly are we trying to conserve. That was glue. Elmer's the claremont institute. Now let me read you. This from dan dresner in the washington post. He's writing response to the elmer's piece by conventional metrics conservative down but not out in american politics after two thousand twenty election that many predicted would be democratic. Blowout republicans still control a majority of governorships and actually increased their control of state legislatures. Things look worse for the gop at the national level but far less hopeless democrats hold bear majorities in both the house and senate if the midterms follow pass pattern. It would not be surprised if the gop controls at least one chamber in twenty twenty three. This observation seem somewhat disconnected from conservative rhetoric. However on fox news. It is the in time jesse. Kelly and tucker. Carlson agree that the right will soon embraced fascism because they have no other choice. Rachel campos duffy argues. That michelle obama was the secret agent of culture to take over the us military. And then there's the claremont conservatives like glenn elmer's who wrote the super chill essay about the state of america which opens his follows. Let's be blunt blah blah blah blah blah. I read it. During the trump era the standard lament was that liberals scared about power and the political realm but did not have it whereas conservatives cared about power in the cultural round but did not have it and let's be clear conservatives have lost influence in the cultural realm academia has moved to the left so has the media the standard counter to this charge for those of us residing in these institutions is that these are professions codes of conduct constrain. How much one's political preferences affect one's intellectual output these codes or not perfect conservative critiques of cancel culture. Not without foundation still. They've been exaggerated. The trouble for conservatives is that reliably conservative institutions have begun acting in a less conservative manner polling during the trump years suggested the military was moving away from the gop. Since president biden was inaugurated conservatives have been banging on about the woke military because the defense secretary's committed to combating political extremism. In general officers are pushing back on. Tucker carlson's harangues about women in the military meanwhile conservatives feel besieged by big business as well put yourself in the position of claremont conservative right-wingers lost influence over liberally institutions heretofore conservative institutions are coming more hostile as well the last remaining hold out maybe religion but that trend line is discouraging fate base conservatives democrats will retain control of the house in an executive branch twenty twenty three the earliest compared with four years ago populists conservatives exercise much power and influence the country seems to be turning against them. Conservatives are not crazy to feel like they're missed feeling or facing existential threats they start to sound crazy failing to recognize their own culpability in the situation. They find themselves in. That's article two now. Bear with me last one here. This is from rod dreher in the american conservative headline woke capitalism in decadent republicans. Arkansas governor hutchinson proving once again that many republican politicians are as useless as a bore when it comes to defending anything culturally conservative or saying vetoed a sensible law that would have prevented body changing surgeries or hormones from minors suffering from gender dis fauria. Back in two thousand fifteen after woke capitalism came down hard on the state of indiana over its state version of the religious freedom restoration act for she this repeal the same governor hutchinson saw to it. That the arkansas version of the same was strangled in the crib. Walmart which is super woke cleared. its throat and governor hutchinson did its bidding. I wrote the benedict option. Because i believe we are. In revolutionary times are in fact living through the collapse of our culture and civilization and that faithful christians needed to figure out how to survive intact the friend this morning text to say his nominally. Conservative religious institution had suddenly gone woke. He sent this quote from jack. The bosons celebrated two thousand one door stopper from dawn to decadence. The system was rotten. This has been said over and over yet. The old hulk was immovable. When people accept futility the absurd as normal the cultures designate the term is not a slurred as a technical label a decadent culture offers opportunities chiefly to the satirist in and on it goes. Now i've been thinking a lot about this. And i've been thinking about it to some degree in light of my with tim keller and really his book hope and times of fear. You've got glen elmer's at the claremont institute an intellectual take for conservatives of that has gone towards reactionary conservative populism that What is there left to conserve. There's nothing left to conserve. He even goes on for example to to attack the constitution. The us constitution longer works but that fact raises more questions than answers. Lots of groups today will tell you what's wrong with society and leather particular theory or doctrine. When i say that maga- voters are clermont conservative that transcends any faction return for into the idea. The united states was the first nation in history of the world explicitly founded on the idea that government derives all his legitimacy from inalienable rights. America's re conception of democracy differed from what the world usually mid up to this point. The rule of the majority in america would be limited in principle and on and on it goes. you've got the responses to it from people. Like the dandruff lament of the collapse of a decadent culture from rod. Dreher it this gets me back to the idea of hope. And i finally now having read all these pieces and the responses to the pieces and i share some of greg elmer's concerns what i would note about a vast array of conservative voices in washington particularly the ones that were so easily persuaded that donald trump is terrible. And there's no redeeming virtue now in the republican party The people who could most easily do that are the ones who have no religious dacian And i have no affinity four The culture of life. It's really easy for people to say i'm going to vote democrat donald trump When you don't think killing kids a bad thing. And it's really easy to cast aspersions on people like glenn elmer's and others for lamenting what they see as they collapse of culture. We and you actually are okay. With a lot of what's go- you may not like the takes. You may not like the the rapid Censorship of of the cancel culture. But you know transgenderism not a big deal for you. The the fact that that people are looking at bruce jenner. And saying well you better calling caitlyn or else he i mean he did legally change his name. So i guess we should but that we're supposed to accept. He is a she even not. My child last night was lamenting that. There's a a kid that she knows who She now wants to have a gender neutral name and and be referred to as they an and mike. It's like it's just easier to go along with it when i'm in front of them because otherwise they had this meltdown and a lot of you at the end of the day. I think you're just hired of the meltdown you. You can't say what you want to say. And of course the lesser. Well you just racist things like what the hell is in the water. And i actually i. I've got to. I've got a thought on this. And it's this hope when tim killer and i were talking the other day. He pointed out that most people when they used the word hope. They're talking about wishful thinking. I hope. I hope. I can combine my two radio shows and get back to just one three our national show i. I hope that i can get a new car. I hope that all have the money to put a new rule now. I hope that my kids will do well in school. It's a wish i. I wish that this will happen. What actually is is the the word we use is better translated in in the bible. Shameful the hope of the resurrection the hope of the cross. The hope of our savior is the profound certainty. There's not a lot of profound certainty right now on the right other than that. The left is bad. So what we see is on the left that becomes the mission of the right is what's own the left. The left is bad. We are profoundly certain that the left is bad. So let's own them. The problem with that though is that. And i think this is glenn. Elmer's mrs things. I think to some degree this where dan dresner his response. Mrs things where rod dreher. Mrs things that My hope is in the american people. And if you've lost the american people then you've lost the culture and and no amount of getting it back no Embrace of fascism to say. We're not gonna have actually gives we're gonna put our guys in and that's it we're done and you can't have. You can't have the levers of power back because we you're gonna do the same does. There's a profound wisdom in the average american citizen. Who is it on social media. Who isn't a yelling at the tv. All the all the time. They're not watching fox news. The reason their family their love in their life they're navigating through and we have lost the profound surtee in the goodness of the american people. On both sides. I think on both sides. But we've also lost profound certainty. That conservatism is a winning message. And you see on the right. And you see that. Because i think roger gets to this a conservatives have felt sold out by their leaders that i've had conservative pro-life activists told me they would rather talk to democrats about abortion rights because at least they know they're dealing with someone who honestly doesn't agree with them. As opposed to a lot of republican members of congress will pat him on the head and then keep funding planned parenthood. We've lost profound certainty that our leaders in our party really agree with us and we knew the donald trump though we may not agree with him on everything knew he would certainly own the left because he knew they were bad because they weren't with him anyone who's not with the against him. He's attacking the conservative governor of georgia. Because he thinks the conservative governor. Georgia could have done things he couldn't do to stop the election in november from going to joe biden. There's a there's a profound certainty that the left is bad and no profound certainty and our ideas anymore and so no one wants to even have the talk about ideas. No one wants to have a talk about. What could we do to bring people to us. It's just let's we gotta fight. We gotta fight the constitution's bad. The constitution broken society is broken. We gotta fight gotta fight. You know you can't fight in the way you want to fight If the institutions are lying against you they will stop you and the way to get the back is to rediscover your profound certainty in the goodness of the american people as a society in all you have to do is look at the fact that in november yeah the left with biden and the right for the most part when trump but a great many people went with joe biden and then voted republican down ballot. Because they don't want the drama they don't want the fight they don't want the nastiness the they want. They want some hopeful vision of america and they didn't think they could get it with trump or with the democrats that tells me that the republicans have a winning message luring black hispanic voters over to their side and the light. There's a winning message there. If we will just reimburse the hope of good ideas the profound certainty of good ideas. We can even bypass the media. We see it happening on a daily basis. We've got to get back to that and get away from this idea that we have to fight because the system is corrupted against us. It's all come tumbling down no rediscover. You're hoping america. Hello there it is. You're here said here. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. Wow look at the clock. I went long that last segment. I need to tell you about omar's steaks. Y'all i'm excited for omaha steaks new package that they've just come out with if you go to omaha steaks dot com when the site load. 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These aren't just your average ground chuck burgers either. These are juicy delicious. Oma steak burgers goto ma stakes dot com put georgia in the search bar day. Hello there it. Is eric erickson here. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. I'll if you're just tuning in let let me let me reset a little bit There are a bunch of articles out right now. That are really focused on one other article. And it is an article at the claremont institute by glenn elmer's who basically says conservatives. It was no longer enough. We haven't really conserved anything and there's nothing useful. It's time for counter-revolution Learn some useful skills. Stay healthy get strong. Read some books and it's really a lack of hope. It's there's a. There's there is an element within conservatism. That came to the foreground with the flight. Ninety three election stuff also from claremont in two thousand sixteen and now a piece. by glyn elmer's that essentially conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight that we've got a hold on the dangers here. Let me just play this out. As as people on the other side see it and frankly This is a to some degree. I can see how they see. It is when you say. Conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight. you eventually. do get to where the left has been you. Were going even if you never meant to get there. Which is you get to. Someone grabs power. Never lets it go because if you believe that your capacity your ability kit can only be to hold power and never let it go order to shape and change things a peanut shave moment here in this country. I you don't really. you're you're not. Really even you've given up on conservatism. To and and essentially a lot of these people have given up on conservatism. Because they feel like. The leaders of the republican party gave up on conservatism. And i would say that one of the worst things to happen to. Conservatism was the election of george w bush and i don't mean that as a criticism of bush what happened when george w bush got elected is the conservative movement became a wholly owned subsidiary of the republican party. But you gotta go back a little bit further than that. Because really the worst thing to happen to. Conservatism was bill clinton. Bill clinton wiped out the democratic party and the democratic coalition that existed before bill clinton's defeats in ninety four win the entire south rapidly with republican and a lot of the midwest did too and the west did before that conservatives had to reach across the island. They had to find a common tongue with democrats who were conservative. The conservative democrats were so wiped out by bill clinton and his behavior conservatives no longer had to reach across the aisle conservatives could stay within the republican party and build coalitions and ideas within the republican party and then along comes george bush and a lot of the conservative movement then becomes the republican party. And you really start to see the media using conservative republican interchangeably as if it means the same thing you rarely ever see when used progressive democrat and mean the same thing but you very frequently even among conservatives will hear conservative republican and and they've always been different and but because people internalize that conservative republicans. Say well there are a lot of republican leaders. Who aren't very conservative. Look at isa hutchins. Hutchinson in arkansas. He vetoed a bill that would prohibit a transgender surgeries for children. The arkansas legislature over ruled him over overrode his veto and he was on fox useless. It had a very bizarre interview with tucker carlson. Hutchinson claims to be socially conservative and yet when a corporation steps it's finger he does their bidding and corporations have moved to the left culture itself moved to the left and so there are a lot of people who feel like they're that that things are slipping away from them. Which is why you have this. This fight or flight response now by some conservatives. They've abandoned all hope. And that is the bottom line here. That conservative leaders conservative intellectuals and a lot of the the grass roots element within the republican party. They have lost hope. And let's be blunt and honest. You're donald trump. Did not give people hope. He gave them an outlet by which they can have their vengeance on other side that they blamed for destroying the country. donald trump. what did they say he fights whether he fought or not he fights and people went with trump because of that. And frankly that's why there's this element of trump supporters. Now who like josh hawley. So much because always been very unapologetic about Challenging the election of he refuses to be bleed. it's why so many now Gravitate towards santa's forget the policy. He fights he fights and they want a fighter. They want someone to fight what they need. Is someone who offers hope. Not hope that we can own the left but hope for a better tomorrow and some of these people have have decided that owning the left gives us a better tomorrow. And that's not the case because it's not sustainable because there are a lot of people in the middle who you require to vote for you do. Their whole idea of hope for tomorrow is a better job. There hope for tomorrow is that their children get ahead and you got a lot of conservatives out there now and their messages we've conserved nothing. Even the constitution doesn't work. We got to prepare for a fight to these people. They don't wanna fight. They want to make ends meet. They want their kid to go to college. And you've got a winning issue right in front of you. The culture fight because so many of these conservative electrodes have internalized that conservatism has conserved nothing and culture is lost. Look at what happened the election. Forget your your theory that the election was sold just for moment please and this is going to be hard for some of you and i realize this but for a moment please just please for one moment. Pretend even if you don't agree with me pretend that the election wasn't stolen. Just pretend. how do you reconcile. How do you reconcile that. The republicans gained state legislatures held governors mansions and nearly took back the house representatives if the election was stolen. How do you reconcile that you reconcile it by looking at what happened if you assume it wasn't stolen which you understand and conceive from the data is that the american people they kind of got tired of donald trump but they didn't get tired of the policies. They got tired of waking up to see if he started world. War three on twitter. They didn't get tired of him. Fighting back against woke them they elected a bunch of republicans and took back several state legislatures. They were turned all the republican governors. They held state legislatures. They could have lost like here in georgia and donald trump lost by slim margins. Forty thousand votes nationwide. In the electoral college. Forget the millions of votes. That joe biden got from Places like california new york. Look at the forty thousand votes that gave him. The electoral college win got slightly less votes than donald. Trump got four years ago the electoral college. If you reconcile all this together what you see is that. There's an america that is still. Conserving cultural conservatism. There's america that still believes in hard work. There's an america that still believes in going to church. There's an america that still believes that boys becoming girls is kind of nuts and they're ripe for the taking because the left is trying to cancel them as well. The left is bullying them as well which you have to do to get those people though is not be like donald trump takes his policies but not be the on the left. Throw the punch. You've got offer hope now. What is that hope. That hope is a profound certainty that your ideas are better than their ideas and what we have right now is a profound certainty of doubt on the republican side a profound certainty that the country has lost. The you can't really hi. I'm joe blow. Vote for me for president because we've conserve nothing. And there's nothing left in this country worth saving and we need to burn all down and start over again. Guess how many votes that guy's gonna get. There's there's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a sunset picture. There's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a picture of decline. And they're not just painting a picture of decline. They're painting a picture of not only are we declining. But the way that we have to get back as we got a fight and it may become a physical fight the country's tearing itself apart there are two americas and one of them. They're not really american. You know what the other side is saying to you. That will you know those guys. They're not really american anymore. They don't believe in the constitution. Even we believe in the constitution. Now you can argue with them you can say they really don't but but that's their message thursday in the same damn thing you're saying except they're offering people a picture of a greater tomorrow able more tolerant more diverse more open society whether you believe it or not. I have a profound certainty in the american people. And i have proof. They rejected the defunding police. People in two thousand twenty. When everyone said they wouldn't. They rejected the democrats nationwide the only democrat. They really backed was joe biden. Who promised just to return to normalcy. Guess what he lied to him and now they know what they see it she features just offer. Some hope offer offers optimism offer. Some are our best days are ahead of us rhetoric and get beyond your cold war vision of america beyond your nine thousand nine hundred eighty s. Be reagan playbook and address the issues of the here and now this whole idea of now. We're the we're the working class. Where the where he not. You're not really you're not really. The party of the working lasted in fact. A lot of the working class did vote democrat If you actually look at the actual date of who actually voted there was some working class. Vote for republicans but by large voted for the rub against the middle class black white asian hispanic the middle class. It's the rich white people and the the die hard union people who stayed with the democrats. Now what are the democrats want to do. They wanna pose unionism on everyone. They want to raise your taxes. They wanna get you out of your car. They want to keep your schools. Close down The democrats have embraced a pessimistic governing vision that they're packing with ideas about hope for tolerance diversity. Where they really mean is is orwellian. Cancel culture that this is why the right should fight on these cultural moments but they can do so with the hope the american people and right now. They're not they're just i mean they're pinning these essays at claremont We gotta fight it. It's overdone with. We're we're done. Even the constitution doesn't work. We gotta fight. Oh no offer hope. And what are the things you do to offer hope. Is you laugh at the other side laugh at them. they're gonna scowl. They've got the media on their side. But you still do enron about them. You can still do in around them. You don't need the the mainstream media anymore and republicans still i. Well we lost the media al qaeda ever win again because you don't need them. You got the american people on your side. How do i know because they overwhelmingly voted for you in november even if they rejected donald trump. If you get out of the idea that it was stolen from him you start to see these things and you realize the american people are not with the local haram crowd. They're not with the defend. The police crown. They're not with the angry left. They're not with the academics and they're not with the media there with you so just offer him something hopeful not we gotta stand and fight because the country's going to hell in a handbasket the world's on fire and everybody sold us out. Yeah i want to be on that guy side. No offer a hopeful vision for a better tomorrow where your kid can get ahead and one of the ways you can do that. Frankly is you can take on the elite in this country. The amazons of like you can take them on because people are turning on them. They're realizing that they've taken the vision of the american dream and they've walled off from a whole class of people in this country who are entrepreneurial and ambitious. And they're told him no. You've got to stay on the social safety net. We're gonna keep you comfortable but don't you dare get off of it. There's a vision. For better tomorrow in conservatism if conservatives will just go back to it or find a new way to talk about it instead of just being angry about everything right now anger is not going to get you back into power and believing and professing that. The constitution is broken. It's not going to get you there. In fact it's going to give a lot of people reason to say you're not really a patriot. You believe that. And they're not going to vote for you governor. Brian kemp of georgia has become the latest to reject the idea of a vaccine passport. Rhonda santa's greg abbott. I believe doug ducey in arizona now. Brian kemp forest. Nope it is an invasion of privacy to require a vaccine passport. You have a right to travel in this country and Vaccine passport violates that right to travel Good on them. I got to spend a little time on. ac hutchinson but but to get there While i gotta this tucker carlson interview with. I can't play you all of the interview. I had to go back and watch it because my mom was texted me last night. wondering what on earth has gotten into the governor of arkansas. Now the governor of arkansas. You do need to understand. has always been beholden to walmart. Walmart is the chief employer in the state of arkansas and when arkansas arkansas is one of those few states it's kind of funny. They're more blue states with religious restoration acts than red states. They never thought they needed now. In arkansas considered one a few years ago walmart stepped in and said nope p- and the result is that Governor hutchinson made sure it couldn't pass. Let me just play you. Part of this is just tucker carlson. The one that we allow eighteen year olds to drink beer in arkansas. Why don't we let him to get tattoos when we left. Fifteen year olds to get married. You're allowing vetoed a bill. That would have protected. Children not adults children. Doom a different standard applies from a life altering permanent procedure. That has effects. We can only guess. The early indication is very serious and very negative in some cases. And now you're telling you do that because you're a friend of limited government okay then. Why are we preventing kids from drinking sincere question. Getting married sincere question having sex. They're not enough to have sex but they're old enough to be chemically castrated. How does that work exactly. I'll listen as point. I'll listen to the. I mean the. The governor of arkansas was a he. He did a very badge. He did himself no favors by going on with tucker carlson he should probably fire whoever thought. It was a good idea for him to go on television with tucker carlson and it was also a very dumb thing for him to do now. The arkansas legislature has overridden his legislation Senator clark tucker democrat a little rock city was concerned about the most powerful people believe the most vulnerable senator. Ted rice republican of waldron. Arkansas move for media consideration of emotion to override to protect children. The arkansas legislature in a vote of twenty five to eight in the senate and seventy two to twenty five in. The house voted to override governor. Asa hutchinson's veto of a bill to ban gender affirming treatment for transgender. You now let's let's let's deal with the new speak for a moment. Have you noticed the orwellian newspeak when it comes to transgender philosophy these days if you want to send your kid to therapy to get them to embrace the way god made them. It's called conversion therapy and it's bad but if you want your child to change their gender it's called gender affirming shouldn't be the other way round conversion surgery gender affirming therapy not not with the wilkes. It's the exact opposite in arkansas now. The the legislature has overruled the governor and imposed a ban on trans gender. A gender dysphoric a surgery and they've done so to protect kids because there's a growing movement of insane parents who wanna start giving their kids puberty and other things before their of of the age of legal consent to keep them in some way. Oftentimes because the parents impose their own biases and prejudices on the kids. It's the whole thing is very bizarre. We are in a very weird cultural moment. In the fact that acer hutchinson would side with the locks on this Tells you his career is kinda done. Now he's he can't run again for all office Sarah sanders running for white house. Press secretary Daughter former governor. Mike huckabee of arkansas. The whole thing is bizarre. The interview with carlson was genuinely bizarre. So which. I had to go back and watch it on. My mom was texted me about it. Hutchinson i don't know who's advising him But he's he's way out of this league on this. Hello and welcome it. Is eric erickson. Here i am so glad to have. Yeah i guess. It's not a place for me to say this for those of you listening in athens starting what next week. You're going to get all three hours of the program They're going to be moving me noon to three in athens The as as they move beyond rush limbaugh show Just let me live. Can i just spend a moment here. with you guys because i still find the thing very weird and surreal changes coming to radio. Obviously and i'm i'm trying to figure out my future in radio. And it gets frustrating their speed bumps along the way about where you go and how you do it in and who do you partner with and i know there will be a station here or there that if if i were somehow able to pull the show off as a noon to three show which i'm already doing local show in atlanta and my hope is somehow to be able to figure out how to make this all work together I got corporate masters involved there who they gotta figure out their futures. Well but i know. If i did there would be some stations that i would not be able to take because some of those stations have corporate owners and they have their own people. They're put it in noon to three then. There are a lot of other stations out there already. Like half of my affiliates are already airing this program in delay to three even though it's technically Live nine to noon Next week we're going to be picking up a station in tyler texas And they're going to be running at noon to three and is so we're we're starting to grow the show now. That next week is kind of a trial. Run to see if jihad is he. I'm practiced g hall with their with their listeners. In texas we'll we'll talk about the glories of brisket next week but the future is uncertain. But if you weren't here. The last hour i spent way more than i intended to on. How i i think conservatives have lost some hope in that hope is a profound certainty that their ideas are really good at work. And you hear all the time. People who used to be diehard activists within the conservative moving and say we've conserved nothing. We've conserved nothing we we've actually conserved so much we have expanded the second amendment In the face of a unified opposition. On the left in the media. You know what. Let me let me. Let me. just talk about this. For a moment i hear conservatives lament people who no longer define themselves as german. They consider themselves part of the right A lot of them are the post christian right. They've moved beyond the blending of their their christian values with conservatism. And they say that we've conservative. The conservative conserve nothing. What did you. we need to move on from services. What exactly they want to move on to some sort of America yeehaw nationalist populous thing. That still has a lot of the traits of conservatism. But they no longer want to call it conservatism. It reminds me of the left No one to talk about them. As liberals anymore they had to go back to call them and sosa's progressives their rapidly moving back to having to call themselves liberals again. 'cause everybody hates the progressives but you got this this strain. It's almost all white men. By the way who say that we've conc- conservatism has conserved nothing actually We've expanded the second amendment conservatives. Have we've expanded the second amendment. We have protected and expanded the allowance of home schooling in the country We have expanded people support for the right to life in this country. Overwhelmingly now the majority of men and women of this country favor restrictions that abortion even that they have not yet favored abandoned abortion. We have continued in this country to Embrace states rights thanks to conservatism in fact During the trump years it was the left taking the go it alone at the state level approach embracing key elements of federalism that conservatives have long advocated for we have continued as conservatives to embrace a robust national American military even. If we don't always agree with the ways it goes we certainly have a but conservatism does not actually mean no change. Conservatism means slow. Change considerate change Consideration of the democracy of the dead of the way we do things are done because those who came before us through trial and error on. This is the best way and we may at some point decided not to now. That doesn't mean that conservatives have won every fight but the whole idea that the country now broken that it's all hopeless and we're going to need to stand and fight and rethink things and come up with new ideas or or not necessarily new ideas but new philosophies and embrace some sort of a nationalist populous blending You know the the left wing critique. Oh this is that it leads to a level of fascism it leads to a level of getting power never giving up and you hear that from some of these people. It kind of scares me that people on my own side shirts. Well we're never gonna we're never gonna leave wolves we power get. We can't because the other side's gonna take it and we say that they're so bad we're going to behave exactly like we think they're going to because we don't want them to get the power. The it is a level of hopelessness in the belief in your own ideas. Part of that comes from people like ace hutchinson. The governor of arkansas clearly doesn't believe the ideas he espouses and yet it's the conservatives who who have graphs the discernment to be able santa fight but the arkansas legislature stood up to him We're also in this era of identity politics and politics personality where we get rid of the guys who have the ideas and go for The people who scratching each for us we want to punch back. So let's go with the fighter We would go with the brash personality. the the critique from so many people on the right now is that while those who didn't support donald trump ultimately. They didn't like his personality. Look what they did to his them. It's all their fault and you don't actually understand and admit that they had any validity to their critique because you yourself rejected it you overcame it. Why can't these wince overcome it and yet when you look nationally the republicans are doing pretty well. Conservatives are doing pretty well maybe not in the media maybe not in the institutions but with the american people. The american people rejected outright the whole defunding police movement people. The american people outright continued to reject the wilkes. It's why by the way the left is so censorious when it comes to transgenderism because your average american citizen realizes it literally is bat poop crazy that boy can somehow become a girl and the american people understand this which is why the left have to shut everyone up why they have to use big business and there's no hope on the right right now. There's no optimism of the right. There should be a lot of optimism because the american people are still with us on a lot of these days. Have faith in the american people that actually gets me into amazon. That's right com. I'm i'm extrapolating. The culture war and moving over amazon dot com amazon has decided through. Jeff bezos to come out in support of a higher corporate tax rate. And also. They've come out. In support of a higher minimum wage. Amazon dot com is fully bought into the idea of fifteen dollars an hour or higher. Saying they already pay their employees their employees mind you. They've got a p and bottles but they pay them fifteen dollars an hour. They're perfectly happy to raise the corporate tax rate. What is going on here. This is i think an angle where conservatives have the opportunity to make a play for the american public with an optimistic hopeful message we now have this country big businesses that are almost universally aligned with the wilkes fortune five hundred companies. They share the values of the wchs and they aligned with the democratic party. And they're doing it out of self interest. Amazon dot com wants a fifteen dollar an hour minimum wage and wants higher corporate taxes because amazon knows it can afford it. And the little guy. Amazon's not doing this out of altruism. It's not doing this out of some level of patriotism amazon. Is doing this. Because amazon understands that it can ruin its competitors if these policies go into place amazon can weather a twenty five or twenty eight percent tax increase or to that tax rate. They can weather the fifteen or twenty dollars. An hour minimum wage with me and pop shops on main street. Can't walmart you will recall. Came out in favor of of obamacare in large part because walmart knew it could offset the burden of its healthcare to the government and then mom and pop shops. Couldn't compete what we're seeing in this. Country increasingly are big. Businesses aligning with the left for competitive interests. And what's brilliant here. Is that the republican party for so long has been seen as the party of big business and the chamber of commerce and in fact the chamber of commerce is much more at home now with the socialist than they are the free marketeers because if you allow a full in faire free market with a level playing field amazon can't compete as well and there's always the chance that the little guy will eat their lunch now. Part of the problem here within the gift of the conservative movement is the money that's being thrown around so here. Here's part of the problem. Take the supreme court decision. This past week. oracle versus amazon oracle versus google. It wound up being in the supreme court. Google versus oracle a lot of the conservative movement was getting money from oracle under the table to tobacco oracle and make all sorts of impassioned arguments about google other conservatives. Were not getting money. From oracle but also despise google and one one or hurt google and they knew if oracle won this case it would hurt google babbly. The case was over an api which is an application programming interface. And how google took eleven thousand lines of oracle's code and and used it and oracle said that was a copyright violation. Google said it was fair. use. We'll be eleven thousand lines of a two million line code. I played in my last hour a clip from tucker carlson from fox news. It was a thirty six point. Six second clip. I could play that. Because there's a doctrine of fair use under copyright law. Google take eleven thousand lines out of two point. Four million lines of code. Because there's fair use google. The point from the supreme court was that google was actually taking the code and duplicating. What oracle already did with the code. They were taking the code and they were doing something new and different. Bigger than what oracle ever did they made the android operating system. They weren't taking the underlying essence of the code. They were taking a essentially the code. That shows how to display something and then they were displaying different things with that code. Now the issue may be complex for you. It's a technical issue but you need to understand a couple of things. There are a number of conservative organizations taking money. From oracle to attack google there are other conservative individuals and organizations that were attacking google. Because they see for the minutes that google is. Google is a menace google. It believes its employees. Believe that its algorithm can be shaped to exclude people and and be non diverse. Those same people want to exclude conservatives. You can see where this goes as those people who believe the algorithm could be used to exclude use it to exclude conservative voices from web searches. There's a real danger administered. Google a progressive woke organization. I know a guy who worked at google who got fired from google because he became an open professing christian was talking about his faith at the office. That's the sort of company google is. Google is a dangerous company but to side with oracle over google. Would you be to side with a company. And a decision of the supreme court that would have lock in predatory monopolies that would prevent someone from ever being able to outcompete google literally if the supreme court had gone with oracle. It would've her google every other person on the planet who writes software because everyone who writes software take snippets of useful code from those who came before and uses that coach. Develop something new. You would be locking. People into proprietary standards could be break into but the conservatives never thought about it they just wanted to attack google. there are ways to attack google. There are ways to attack amazon and conservatives. I think need to overcome their reluctance to attack. Big companies and understand that we're big companies are in this country right now led by groups like amazon is they have gotten big and now they want to tilt the plainfield in their favor so the creative destruction of the free market can never take place if you believe in the creative destruction of the marketplace you should applaud the supreme court's decision to go overseas oracle. If you believe the creative destruction of the marketplace you should really oppose government protection schemes That raise the minimum wage that raised the costs of labor that raised the cost of doing business that raised the regulatory concerns. You should be wanting to destroy a lot of the patent system in this country that is now being used by major corporations to prevent innovation. There are ways for the conservative movement to move forward in ways that are hopeful and optimistic for the little guy for david to be able to slay goliath. What are the biggest problems in the conservative movement. Right now is that there's so much money. Flowing under the table from corporate interests to steer corporations steer conservative incas people derisively call it in certain directions. And you gotta have more honest brokers within the conservative movement but more than that got to be willing to stand up to the left and understand. The media's gonna hate you. They're going to savage you. Twitter is gonna come for you Social media companies are going to block you but the american people are with you. Stop living in fear. So much of the conservative movement lives in fear right now. Fear not you don't have to be a brain biblical donkey. You can be a nice guy but you can still stand up for your values and that's frankly with the conservative movement. Each right now we need people who stand up for principles and ideas and not just going to throw punches at the left you can throw punches all day. but ultimately the american people are going to cast a vote. You need them to vote for you. And they're not gonna throw they're not gonna vote for the people throwing punches. They rejected donald trump for it and they rejected the woke when he defined. The police were riding in the streets. Maybe we should actually realize that pattern instead of continuing to believe fantasies about the election. Hello and welcome it is. You're hearing here the phone number if you'd like to be a positive program. Eight seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five. Let's go to the phones. You're going to be up i welcome. Hi eric can. I was pretty happy to hear what you were saying. Last second not anyone earlier about fun. Because i'm thinking of the four us club and i think i think you're a member if you're not even if you don't even know which is faith family freedom and fought the right to pursue happiness. He's got a you know in the re- exercise thereof break so so Act so i'm thinking that every political gathering it would be in my mind i was. I'm sharing an opening prayer some allegation or demonstration of family Maybe have a little then. You have a little thing about something about freedom. Some things the horrible things that you were saying about the first and second amendment and that is a parody songs for fun you know we've got Bernie sanders theme which is Well you know. I've been to moscow. That's like kind. Of like the kremlin. Those are insane there. But you'd have to ask the clintons. That's when the old three dog night song. I've i've never been to spain a bunch of those so we can have lots of fun with at any political events and i think that's that's i'm glad you said that because one of the things that i really do think is happening. Here is the conservative movement has lost it since if humor and we used to. I mean you know. I if i had the budget to do it and i don't i hope to get there I would i would get in. Who for years did the parody songs rush limbaugh and start doing them here The the environmental songs. Can you imagine the fun. You can have With with the songs on on The the the woke nonsense out there. I mean they're truly. There are some creative moments and the left. It would drive the left insane and we should. We should be laughing at them. Y'all i mean we're we're literally we've got a group of people out there who cannot. You cannot have a sense of humor with these people because you could joke about something last week and this week it will get you fired. The the twelve days of christmas. I mean the first day of christmas my true brought me a partridge in a pear tree. By the time you get to the the pipers piping the partridge has been canceled and you're gonna get cancelled if you say it. I mean these people. The is the the logic of an insane asylum and we should be willing to laugh at it. You've got a boy. Oh suddenly you become a girl next week. You want to become a they. I mean they wanna put caitlyn jenner up now to run for governor of california if they don't support caitlyn jenner or are they transgender transphobia. Are they bigots. I mean this is this. Is their logic. Hold them to their logic and laugh at it it. We who people are angry about everything these days. There's really a lot to laugh about right now. There's a whole lot laugh about and we should and people just don't want to. They want to yell and say oh the country we haven't conserved anything. Haven't even conserve the constitution. We got southern. 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You gotta do that if you want on the list and i will send you a recipe and you could also if you go to e w erickson dot com. You can find all my recipes. 'cause i like to cook because it's something more than just politics and i can't you'll i'm i'm can we just admit we're tired of it. We're we're all tired of politics. These days gotta find something else. I i got a bourbon beer and barbecue that seems to be my passions these days and go into cross fit because i'm fat but anyway let's go to the phones shall we. Jim indicator you're going to be next. Welcome thanks eric. It's this is a great topic. I never understood how conservatives just are always in a sn it at the slightest deviation. We've forgotten have to go back to ronald reagan in nineteen eighty. He began a string of of vic. Intermittent victories before reagan. People laughed at the idea of tax cuts. That really was considered a joke. Now it's a very vibrant part of our political dna in cultural dna. That is a huge her around. That is a great victory to get this many americans to understand that can be good. We've had some notable military victories. Some of them without having to go to major warts either any kind of even go to war You could just go on and on but let us have a little slippage we hold off hillary care we stunted obamacare and have come up with a perfect a a pretty workable. But you know you don't win you don't win every battle you don't get everything right and you know we. We actually should have been we. Should we were supposed to have lost all kinds of seats in the house and possibly in the senate we did goof up the senate last a bunch of them. Almost thirty turnaround from what we were expecting. So just throwing phipps you. We are and it frustrates me this this this level of it. It's what i call it. Increasingly is the post christian right That we've got to behave just like the other side we can. We can help greece We just nasty is them. We're convinced that they want to hold onto power. Never let it go. So we're going to hold onto power and never let it go in. My view is is. You know like Oh god is as my ways your ways. I think that we as people on the right. The say your ways. We need to offer a an optimistic vision of the future and right now we're just all the constitutions broken everything screwed up We just we got it. We're gonna have to fight. Most americans don't actually want to fight At least with each other perfectly willing to in the country but they don't wanna fight with their next door neighbor. Next door neighbor bob the they. They don't like him because he's tech fan instead of uga but otherwise they get along just fine and yet. The level of anger is just out of proportion right now. Amen brother We've just we are not generally speaking. Those are some the the talk show world in the political world and all that forget that americans generally aren't political people aren't political animals. I used to think it was kinda bad then. I studied the civil war. That no you know. That's not such a good thing. This is one of the other things. Here is that I do see that a lot of conservatives have moved into a bubble as much as people on the left and they all of their friends talk politics just like people on the left do instead. They're convinced everyone else's political as them when the average american really isn't political They're they're worried about their work. They're worried about their home life. They're worried about their kids. And now you've got both sides. Franklin will if the right so you gotta care about it and they don't want to care about it they want to go watch a football game and not have politics in their face which is why are down. And that's a compelling message right therefore for further right right. Now jim listen. Thank you very much for that. And to that point you know if conservatives would make the message you shouldn't have to care about what happens in washington. You shouldn't have to have politics in your face. I think that's a message for the american people that i i don't have to care about the stuff right now but man on the right right now is so whipped into a frenzy about all of that stuff. And you know there's there's this thing here. I'm seeing the trend in the media where the media can't understand. Why are conservatives fixated on why why are conservatives. They're they're fighting over cancel culture. What about the infrastructure. Bill you know. The reality is with the media misses. And what the left. Mrs is that the culture stuff actually plays well for the gop. The culture war stuff plays well for republicans right now because look again at november. This is something that the left is busy. They're fixated over the january. Sixth stuff they're fixated over the trump people thinking that the that that the the racial stolen etc etc. That are what they're missing. Is something very simple. A lot of americans don't like the in your face my way or the highway pressure tactics of left a lot of americans don't feel privileged to be white or to have had come from a two parent household. They don't feel privileged to be a christian. They don't feel privileged to be heterosexual or or six gendered left with say they don't even know what the hell since it is or why they should care about it in the left does that you must care. You must dare. They don't want to care about that either. And i wrote a book. Several years ago called you will be to care on how the left essentially forces us to take aside and i think there are a lot of americans with. They're forced to care about these issues. They're going to care and ways the left doesn't like but they don't want to come to a conservative is all well. Screw this all his laws. We've conserved nothing even the constitution stocks. And that's the message. They're getting from so many of the most vocal people in these. We're going to have to embrace fascism because the left is going to embrace communism. And so we're going to have to embrace. I think that's where this is edited. I don't endorse the proposition. And i don't think that corporate america or the left really understands the democrats per se. The president of the united states like understand that win the leprechauns that culturally dominant that they can wipe you out over a ten year old tweet and you're nobody but they can ruin your life. People get pissed off and the right should be offering a compelling counter program to that and they're not they're like well. We're gonna cancel people. We don't like we're going to be just like the left except we're going to go after that. I don't think that works i. Just don't there's hope and optimism about their folks there is there is hope and optimism and the conservative movement. The right needs to sell that hoping that optimism that the conservative movement east to sell laughing at the left you okay. Let let me pull up. I want to pull up a song real quick to give you an idea of this. Let me reroute my speaker. Here of doing the spur of the moment. I was i. Was you know rush. Limbaugh was famous with paul shanklin parodies for so long rush would play these things and i just i. If i had the budget i would. I would do that. But i don't need a budget for this because i want to play the song. This song is from an artist called. No she no. She put out an album environmental songs about going green. And this is a song that this group actually wants teachers to play school. I don't need You go in a ugo rush. Limbaugh global warming purity. When i have this that i can play on the radio. Want gooding every som- word. What's hot for that. To actual song. That they won in schools is getting warmer. We're all gonna die kids. Eat your parents. Because they're carbon emitters. Were all gonna die. Don't have kids kill them if you do because we're all going to die the little mouth. Breeders i mean there was a story yesterday in the atlantic about the two things the two things that we could do to save the planet number one each year leftovers. Stop throwing food away number to stop eating. Cows tasty beef no-no eat pork. Shrimp eat other. They don't eat beef because cows pollute and so much of the planet must be used to grow the food to raise the cows to give people hamburgers thing. This is the left's message. We're going to ban hamburgers and that we will the right can't laugh at that What if the cow decides that the cow identifies as a donkey. Are you going to you re. If you identify as a girl why does it. The cow get to identify as a different species. And then you can. Do they become a protected class. You can't laugh at of course you should be aware of that stuff. I don't need a parody song about global warming. Because i got that and that is actually not intended to be a parody. That's intended to be a real song to scare your kids in school. As the teachers tried to doctrine. It's getting warmer kids. It's too hot to play outside. It's global warming because the adult screwed you sep not in that way because we're not in that state but then the last you know what i mean it's ridiculousness. We should be able to laugh at these people because these people literally there any. It's hello welcome. It is your erickson. Here let's talk about the gateway to hell showy the matt gaetz story. I've always gets in Multiple people told me. It's it's actually it's pronounced gates the gates way to hell i. I had someone call yesterday. Who said that we should have. Matt gaetz is back because matt gaetz is a conservative. And it's the rhinos were attacking matt gaetz. And they're out to destroy him because they know he's an active and passionate supporter in good messenger for president trump and and we all need to have matt gaetz his back. I i do want to say in the interest of fairness and so you know where i am coming from. I'm not matt gaetz fan. I actually don't think he's a good messenger for the president i think he's a self promoter and oftentimes A overshadowed the president's message with his own self promotion. I know enough. People who know matt gaetz to believe that. There's gotta be some truth to some of the salaciousness in the stories that he's not the nice guy he comes across on tv. This plays into one of my pet peeves about where we are as a culture right now. Where if you see someone on television who tells you the things you already believe. You decide that person's a good person when really there. They may not be a good person behind the scenes. I mean i remember when the stories about a certain tv personality came out and the number of people who are shocked that this guy could behave like that around people buying the scenes. Because i see him on tv every day and he seems like such a nice guy and i agree with everything says nope turns out he was a real a biblical donkey behind the scenes to a lot of people including a harassing a bunch of women in in doing terrible things but she didn't see that on tv. She decided you like it reminds me so. I've got a friend of mine who is a very famous person celebrity In movies on tv. We don't talk about our friendship in large part because The the woke would certainly come for him. And i am shocked. Well i'm not really shocked. But but he laments this all the time the number of people who treat him as if he is one of his famous characters who was icon iq. And that's not really him. it's not really him And it it. Just it reminds you people connect to a character on television I just listen. I don't say this to flatter myself. But i am the exact same person off air that i am on air eighty-one. Who worked with me could attest to that fact. I'm i'm just. I don't i don't have an. I'm not trying to play a character on radio or on tv. I'm i'm just me and so many people are trying to play character and you get attached to the character and and really the person's a jerk and i just met gets gates. I don't know if he's played a character up. But i i know plenty of people who knowing behind the scenes to say. He's just not he he's. He's not the good christian choirboy that that you may think he is on tv and a lot of the stuff rings true for them but the bottom line is this. Forget what i say. And forget what i think about matt gaetz. I'm not a fan. Forget anything. I say about him notice. Who's not saying anything about him. Weirs donald trump. Where's donald trump junior. Where's eric trump. Where's ivanka trump whereas kellyanne conway. Where's mike pence mark meadows. Stephen miller jason miller. Where where's the president's team with are the close advisers to donald trump notice. They're not defending him notice. They're not speaking up. I mean when when oftentimes president trump's supporters are embattled. He's one of the first people to rush it and defend them he and his supporters and and his core staff advisors and his kids they come to the rescue. They're they're not coming to the rescue for matt. Gaetz right now. They kept noticeably silent. That should tell you everything you need to know about the situation whether the press has the story exactly right or not that. The president's team has kept their mouths shut and won't defend him says a lot to me. Sometimes you know what what is it with sherlock holmes. It's the dog that didn't bark. That's the most telling thing the dog that didn't bark and the fact that the president's team they're not barking in defensive. Matt gaetz is something. I think all of us who are questioning. What the heck is going on should be paying attention to in this situation now. We got to switch gears. Would we come back. We gotta talk about the left's continued obsession with donald trump. There's more today. Hello and welcome it. Is eric erickson here. The eric your acceptance show coast to coast the phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five glad to have you with me this hour we we must begin with the on going media obsession with donald trump. We had a situation at the end of the trump administration. We in donald trump was banned from social media outlets the media. Said good riddance. Good riddance. we don't ever want to cover this guy again. We don't want we don't want to utter his name. He will be voldemort whose name shall never be mentioned. He will must not be named and the ratings came out in the ratings sock spoiled. Cnn's lost about half their audience. Fox news's back to number one. Msnbc doesn't know what to do without donald trump. The new york times the washington post subscribers down readership is down What what do we do. What do we do well. They begin to drop donald trump's name and everything they possibly can every week now all of the media outlets who were they would never ever talk about. Donald trump again are dropping stories that put trump in the headlines. I mean take for example to see an end analysis. Which was the dumbest thing ever so. Cnn has this guy steven collison. And every morning stephen calls it has an analysis piece which is actually an opinion piece and his opinions Make chris eliza look like a phd. If you crystal is a collison. Is i mean. He's he's a british dude. Who writes about american politics and he was the obsessive seen in guy every morning during the trump administration would have just about the dumbest most unhinged piece about donald trump. You could read. And now he's back at it and every time he writes he's got to write about donald trump. He can't do anything else because only made his living. Here's the headline. Gop's trump obsession is giving biden and opening. that's right he says it's the republicans who are obsessed with donald trump. Donald trump has left the white house but the republican party just can't quit his studt politics as president. Joe biden sells a popular covid. Nineteen rescue plan highlights a quick any national vaccine efforts positions himself to benefit from an economic growth spurt after the pandemic and tackles economic inequity in american society. The gop seems to be acting out the temperament of the last president at times. The party seems trapped into a perpetual primary race shaping positions that seem best suited as fodder for the culture warriors of fox news. The party has spent the first months of the biden administration rewriting election laws to suppress minority votes. Denying the truth of trump's capital insurrection raging against vaccine passports trashing science with state openings. That threatened the cau- to cause unnecessary pandemic deaths. Senate minority leader mitch. Mcconnell unleashed a fierce attack on woke corporations that reacted to a discriminatory voting. Laws georgia mcconnell. At least in his rhetoric sounded a lot like the former president. Businesses must not use economic blackmail. Spread missed his information and push back. Ideas citizens rejected the ballot box. The kentucky republican said in fact georgia voters rejected at the ballot box causing the gop to change. The laws was a sector for trump and two republican senators and on and on it goes down to trump still ruling the gop by making a pilgrimage to mar-a-lago soon after trump left the white house house minority leader. Kevin mccarthy sent a signal. He believed keeping the make america. Great again fans on his side was a passport to power. This this guy is you might as well put this at some left. Well i guess it is. Cnn cnn dot com is one of the most left leaning news outlets even like the folks who ranked news outlets separate cnn dot com from cnn. Noting cnn.com is further to the left. The trash you see on the air regularly these days from some of the woke reporters the don lemon griquas the world. so you've got them obsessed with donald trump's clave all it's not us who's obsessed it's the republicans as we have to cover the republican obsession with donald trump. Did i did you hear me. Say trump it now. You got politico here. This is this is an actual front page story at the politico. This is the actual ed line. What a photo of trump's new office reveals about how he wants to be remembered and this is the actual subtitle and obsessive inch by inch political breakdown of the fifth presidents new digs at mar-a-lago picture of his office. And they've got things circle. I kid you not. I kid you not. This is the circling wooden box desk. Black sharpie newspaper chair iphone reading glasses coca cola plaque commemorating the border wall mug rack of challenge coins statue of trump air force. One pitcher mount rushmore picture. Lamp family photos. This is this is this is the politico the their obsession with donald trump. Who i i'm just i'm kinda. I'm kinda flabbergasted by this Let let's you know. Ah let me see if i get the the the political reporter to actually talk to us just a minute here. This this would be very important. I think if if we can get the the political reporter here who did the detailed breakdown of the president and his his office to to even go so far as to highlight circles on the desk to note that. There's a desk and a chair a lamp can't can we get him. Please know the other thing. Yeah what is that. Well start to explain. I was in loved ones really. What was her name. I don't remember that's not a good start but but keep going. She was brazilian chinese or something weird. I met her in the bathroom of a k. Mart and we made out for hours then. We parted ways. Never see each other again. I'm pretty sure that's not love. Damn it. I love carpet. I love desk brick. Are you just looking at things in the office and saying that you love them. Do you really love the lamp or you just saying it because you saw it. I love layup. I love lamp. Brick dow writing at the politico brick loves layup. brick loves desk brick loves wooden box brick loves newspaper brick loves chair brick loves mug brick loves family photos. Print club layup. He loves this. This is the actual politico story. Americans got a glimpse of donald trump's presidential office for the first time on monday when former white house aide. stephen miller tweeted out a picture of himself with trump. The photo comes out as trump tries to remain the king maker of the republican party and has been meeting politicians down. Mar-a-lago seeking his endorsement or hosting fundraisers at the resort. The office is above the ballroom at the exclusive palm beach club. According to someone who's been in it the image showing a smiling trump and miller with palm beach trees in the background outside rocketed around social media with amateur online sluice analyzing everything from the collection of popularity. The room to the bottle behind. Trump's phone politico decided to do its own deep dive into trump's office with the help of four former white house officials floor. Visuals here's our best reported effort out. Which does the forty fifth president chose to keep around in his new ford alive. And what it says about how he uses legacy we used to call this crap criminal criminology. Four former white house officials have been involved in analyzing a photo that shows his desk with highlights including a layup and a desk and a wooden box. The former lighthouse official said. The lamps are likely mar-a-lago lamps based on the core of the result. This is the hard hitting journalism of the post trump presidency. these people need donald trump. they need trump their rating suck without him. They've got to have him in now. They've hired brick to tell us that he loves lamp and desk and carpet. Got help the american press corps. I like layup and desk. Just these people. They're obsessed. They're obsessed all right to the phones. We go greg in marietta georgia. You're next welcome eric. I like better old. You've obviously seen that mean. Yup i like trains. You gotta look it up on the glass half full guy. But i got a lot of conservative friends and last week with major league baseball It feels like a tidal wave as washed over. Is this obvious the fortune one hundred or in bed with the biden administration and the media. What's the strategy for conservatives to make it the next twenty one months till to. Hopefully we take back. The house is listed. There are a couple of things that i think that conservatives and republicans have to do one of which is i think conservatives in the republicans have to get over their reluctance to attack the chamber of commerce because the chamber of commerce is culturally on the left and has been for a while. They've been opposed religious freedom laws. They're opposed to traditional values. And i think that conservatives need to start going after the fortune one hundred and they can do. So in a way that blends conservatism and populism beautifully. And it's a way that i think connects with black and hispanic voters. Not just white voters that these guys wanna make it so. David can never slay goliath These guys are perfectly happy with beetle cultural left and lying to the american people so long as they get benefits You can make a great case. That amazon and the big box stores are killing small businesses around the country But more than that you. I ju- the that we have the opportunity to bring back the happy warrior. Ism that i think has been lost to some degree on the right We can laugh at these people and their absurdities we can laugh at them in their scowling over. Frankly transgenderism is one of the big issues dead naming the way that elliott page always was according to time magazine There is some humor to be had in this. And i do think that the majority of the american public are with us on these things. Like for example The reason that the left is so fixated on a water and food at polls is because they cannot talk about the voter. Id element which was the most substantive change in georgia's voting laws. They can't talk about it because they oppose it a yet even a majority of black residents support it I do think there's something to be had here in the level of hypocrisy with major league baseball. I think that Marco rubio is probably right. It's time to come after major league. Baseball's antitrust exemptions under federal law. There are things the right to do. But more importantly we control a majority of states. We control majority state. Legislatures majority of governors mansions. We can redistrict Which we're going to do. But also at the state level i think you can see conservative policy be implemented for example georgia florida texas arizona. They valid come out now against Vaccine passports i think they can certainly do that They can certainly passed laws that prohibit private businesses from denying access to their stores From people who don't have a vaccine passport they can do stuff like that to push back on the fortune one hundred and the fortune one hundred frankly i think is right for piggyback on. I like business. The business of america is business but when business goes all in with the woke conservatives do have to push back frankly i think if conservatives want to have one major level of impact pick one business it better not be delta. 'cause i'm not giving up delta because it's the only airline we're flying out of atlanta Pick i don't know coca cola. Home depot disney something and just every conservative group in america working with every church in america that is inclined to to support them. Say just for the next month. Don't shop here don't shop here. And here's why This company whatever company is. They're beholding to china disney is a great example Disney's beholden to china. Disney love china disease making money off of china Let's pick a month in say we're not gonna do business. Plan your vacations around it. Don't go to disneyworld during this month. don't cancel your your disney plus subscription for the month Do all of this stuff in. Just turn it off for a month and show that conservatives have economic clout now. I don't know that the conservatives want to do something like that. I don't know that they wanna give these things up but what they can certainly do is they can start with after tax breaks. And you know i. Tax breaks are probably an easy way for conservatives to go first of all stop giving tax breaks to companies to lure them to your state away from another state second stop giving tax breaks to domestic corporations get rid of delta's fuel tax credit. Get rid of their fueled tax exemption. Get rid of all of the tax exemptions you give to companies like disney. Get rid of the antitrust exemption for baseball. Do all of these things and make these corporations understand that. If they're siding with the left they're going to be consequences that the left doesn't want them to have the stuff anyway and now we're going to give it up. I think there's a winning message there for the gop. Above all else though. I got to say this. There's a level of dread on the right right now and i just don't think it's healthy to be whipped into constant fear about the other side or to be yelling angry. And there's there's this interpretation on the right that the anger that donald trump harnessed was a winning thing but actually i would argue that donald trump won in two thousand sixteen because he was running against hillary clinton and people hated her moore and the republicans at the federal level have not done well With that level of anger Whatever happened to the happy warriors. It just seems to me that We got a lot of people out there who should be and can be happy warriors and right now they're not being happy warriors right now. They're not out there laughing about the wchs there. So much about woke haram. Def- about i mean. These are people who really think that. If if you're dude and you up today my name is now. Mary and i'm going to go play softball instead of baseball. That that's normal i i just. I think there's something to laugh at. I think there's something to laugh at about the walks and their language revisions There's something to laugh at it in intersection. -ality the idea that Neil armstrong's views on landed on the moon are are less valid than the non neil armstrong who passionately believes that it is. It's true not his or hers but it's true or i'm sorry they truth there truth that we didn't land on the moon that we got. We got to prioritize this person there. There's a lot to laugh out there with these people. And i think we need to There's no reason to be in. Perpetually spun up an anger because there are a lot of americans that again i. I've talked about this this entire day. Maybe this is the theme of the program. Today there are a lot of people who just don't care about the stuff they just they just wanna work they they just wanna go work. They want to have their family. They want to get a little league and you'll laugh at them. You laugh at the woke with them. You turned the walks into the butt of jokes then. I think they're with us. I mean they wanna happy warrior and the conservative movement. Right now doesn't have a lot of happy warriors. We got a lot of ambitious politicians. Who wanna play act and we get the sense. They don't really mean it. Say what you will about donald trump. 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The today show actually has a story on this. Biological fathers in utah are now legally required to help pay for half the medical costs associated with pregnancy and delivery. The bill signed by spencer cox. Republican governor only applies to those whose paternity is verified while speaking with the salt lake. Tribune state senator. Dan mckay or republican described the bill as an effort to try and bring some equity to the funding of pregnancies. But the new bill might not be just about helping moms republican. Senator or republican state representative brady brammer hopes to see the abortion rate. Drop in utah as a result of prenatal childcare naturally planned parenthood. Go straight to. Hey guys it's cheaper to kill the kid rip it limb from limb and we can sell the body parts will. They didn't quite say that way. But you know what they mean. Listen to this. This is from the today. Show this paragraph. This is amazing. The associated press reported the average cost of raising. A child is two hundred thirty three thousand six hundred ten dollars. The figure does not include the cost of college but the cost of an abortion is only one thousand dollars in the woman. does your according to planned parenthood. I mean you could tell the goals writing the story. Yes it's a way that were dice. Killing the kid is cheaper than letting the kid live while we appreciate this. Bill highlights. how expensive is to be pregnant. And that many women struggled to cover the cost of their healthcare. We feel there are better ways to support pregnant people and families karrie galloway president and ceo of child killers inc reviewed. I'm sorry planned. Parenthood of utah told today parents in a statement expanded medicaid better health insurance coverage equitable access to reproductive healthcare code word for killing kelly kelly and paid family leave or just a few. As policymakers. do much more. People who become pregnant should be able to determine for themselves what is best for them without legislative interference compromising their privacy or bureaucratic hurdles. Oh and of course the ywca chimed in it provides services to domestic violence survivors. It has concerns. Domestic abuse can get worse during pregnancy and seeking. These costs could further increase. Stressors about financially supportive able. You don't have to do it but is it not good that we now. Here's the thing. let's just look at a child. Killers incorporated also known as planned parenthood. They don't believe that A a man should have any ability to interfere in whether or not a woman butchers. The baby and. I'm not hiding behind the abortion euphemism. We all know what it is. You rip the head off a child crack open at skull suck on its brains and tear it limb from limb if they're developed and otherwise you scrape it out of the womb. Let let's not pretend that it's standard medical procedure. You're literally ripping a human being limb from limb and planned. Parenthood child killers. Inc does not believe that the should have any say so whatsoever in whether or not the woman should be able to kill the child but if the woman decides not to the man better pony up he's going to jail. Frankly i think that should be a law as well that if the man i cannot Nell course the pro-lifers. I understand where we would head with this. But if the mand can have no say so on whether or not to kill the kid why should the man have any say so on whether to pay the kid pay for the kid. I mean i. It's fair is fair there's a there's a paternal issue there. I don't actually let me be clear. Here don't advocate that because you would have a bunch of saying hey Kill the kill the kid. I don't wanna pay for it and we should be supporting culture life. What's so funny here. Though is the reaction from the death cult utah passes a piece of legislation that says that the biological father has to cover half the cost and death incorporated. Its response is well. Yeah but it's cheaper to just murder the child. Let's just it's only a thousand dollars to rip up the kid and let us sell the parts on the black market by market. They sold on the i. Guess the gray market death. Inc is perfectly happy to cover the cheap cost of killing butchering the child. Because you know it's really expensive to raise one of those suckers hand. They emit carbon dioxide. They're bad for the planet you could be saving. Can you imagine the death inc planned. Parenthood statement They could come out run an ad campaign. What a healthy environment murder your child. That's basically the response to this piece of legislation by the way this shows when it comes to raising kids in covering the cost of goods. You're never going to find compromise with the people who want a butcher children. You're never actually going to find compromise with the people who hide behind the euphemism of abortion to talk about ripping child limb from limb cracking open at skull vacuum cleaning out it's brain and then selling it For for parts you not because they want to make the economic argument that it is cheaper to murder child legally then it is to raise the child so maybe moms instead of getting dad to cover half the cost. Just come on in spread. Your legs will kill it for you. I think that the utah legislature should be praised for dealing with a difficult issue and requiring that it takes to to have a child and they both have obligations to that child. We live in a society. These days that devalues children. I mean hell you got half the left things. If if you're three year old puts on a boy's clothes and in in your three year olds actually girl. Well then. let's start. Start them on puberty blockers tomorrow so that they can grow up as a boy because clearly the kids transgender. A little billie picked up the purba doll away issues in the legs of the show. You know my wife had a barbie. When she was little she used the barbie until its legs. Fell off as a shovel outside. Play with the boys in this day and age thank goodness. She had normal same parents if she had some hippy. Dippy loopy leftist parent. They've all she's using the barbie as a shovel. She must actually be a boy. We should be able to laugh about the of the stuff instead of just getting it. I mean the fact that planned parenthood reaction to a bill that requires that biological father's actually cover half the cost of a child. Their reaction is kill it instead. It's cheaper the world we live in the woke are nuts. We should point it out. I really y'all. I did not wake up this morning or go to bed last night. The i'm gonna have theme day on the radio where every story is going to be woven together into a theme about the happy warriors or the right versus the wilkes but my goodness it sure does work out that way today. I mean every single one of these stories you got angry leftist and you've got the people on the right like oh my gosh we're all gonna die. The world's gonna do it in the. There's we've conserved nothing. I how can you look at the people laugh. How can you not look at these. People are realized. They're kind of nuts. I mean how can you not look at alexandria. Ocasio cortez and realize this woman. She's kind of crazy and for all the people the right. You're just obsessed with her. No yo actually look up to this woman and follow her on instagram and perret everything she says. My goodness she called these things at the border concentration camps and you had a guy who died tried to firebomb and ice facility because she said so we're not obsessed with their we're pointing now she's nuts and now deep thoughts andrea cossio. Cortez they want to say what about the surge. Well first of all just got check. Stop anyone who is using the term surge around you consciously is trying to invoke a militaristic frame and that's a problem because this is not a surge these children they are not insurgents we are not being invaded which by the way is white. Supremacist idea philosophy. The idea that another is coming in the population that this is like an invasion of who we are back was deep thoughts alexandria or console. Cortez man sixty minutes cannot just take the loss and move on. Sixty minutes is doubling down again. They released a longer statement about their as oliver as much criticised story on vaccine. It's not much criticized. They got it wrong cbs. I said that all they did. Is they edited. Rhonda stances statement to their reporter at length. They didn't do that. They took two separate statements from rondo. Santa's from two separate questions and merged them together and didn't disclose that and now they've got a new statement. When florida state data revealed people of color were vaccinated at a much lower rate than their wealthier neighbors. Sixty minutes reported the facts surrounding the vaccines rollout which is controlled by the governor. We requested and conducted interviews with dozens of sources that authorities involved. We requested an interview with governor rhonda. Santa's he declined. We spoke to state emergency management director. Jared moskowitz twice but he declined to be interviewed on camera for our story until well after our deadline. The idea we ignored their perspective is untrue. Counter to his statement yesterday we also spoke on the record with palm beach county mayor. David kerner for over fifty years. The facts reported by sixty minutes have often stirred. Debate prompted strong reaction. Our story sunday night speaks for itself. That's their statement Well jared moskowitz. The democrat in charge of emergency management is now on twitter. Saying i did speak with sixty minutes. Never said i didn't. They were very nice but i told them. The public story was bull. Blankety blank walked them through the whole process. The fact that. I didn't sit down on camera because i'm in the middle of responding to a one hundred year emergency. Does it change the truth while while while he's a democrat. The mayor of palm beach county is also coming out and attacking. Cbs saying they willfully misrepresented. In fact they didn't edit ron santa's again they took two separate statements ron santa's and they merged them together even been smith now. The media columnist for the new york. Times is calling them out. Tweeting broadcast tv remains worst than anyone else adjusted meeting when they screwed up a sixty minutes. Completely screwed up. When you have democrats in florida who don't even like rhonda santa's coming out and defending rhonda scientists that tells you pretty much everything you need to know. Meanwhile in georgia governor. Brian kemp is continuing to go out and campaign on his election. Reform package that he signed law and the president by the way. Joe biden is swell. He's walking back. Remember biden was totally down with major league. Baseball boycotting georgia. It's now blown up. The democrats faces. They've chosen lily white. Colorado where the the people of denver whiter than the snow. Top mountains By way i. I got to dispel disinformation from the right though. Colorado does not have more restrictive voting laws georgia. And i know there are people saying that it's not really true. Colorado has more restrictive voter registration requirements than georgia but it doesn't have more restrictive voting laws than georgia. Colorado has a shorter time for in person voting than georgia but colorado uses universal mail in balloting. Which is less restrictive than georgia. It's more complicated than either side. Wants to admit Both sides would it'd be dogmatic about it but that's the truth. Colorado by using universal mail in balloting is not as restrictive as george overall. But when it actually comes to voter registration and is more restrictive. Well joe biden is asked about the masters whether they should get out of augusta. Here's what he said. Masters golf tournament should be moved toward. I think that's up to the masters look you know is reassuring to see that for profit operations and businesses are speaking up about how these new jim crow. Laws are just unethical who we are. There's another side to the other side to to is when they in fact move out of georgia the people who need the help the most people or making hourly wages. Sometimes you could hurt the most. I think it's very tough decision. For a corporation to make or group to make and i respect them when they make that judgment and i support whatever judgment they make. But it's the best way to deal with this is for georgia and other states to smarten up. Stop stopping Here's governor branka. Making the rounds on fox news folded like a wet district to cancel culture. I mean it is woke in in real life and americans in georgia should be scared me. What event going come after next. You know what value the the you have the way you live there your life for the coming after next. Are they going to come. After your small business next disasters getting screwed maria small business people that would have profited from the all star game being truest park at the home of the atlanta braves. And now they're moving to colorado. They have two days less of early voting than we do. They have a voter. Id in president. Biden's been talking about. How bad voter id as he did. The pre game for the insect aa championship. The night. That was all held in indiana. That's the birthplace of photo. Id that's where the first lawsuit was a paled says it's okay to have a voter. Id most americans and must support this. This is so critical and it into your question it is. It's amazing that ceo's had government affairs teams. That knew what was in this bill. That were fine with it. They didn't even bother to check with them because they got pressured from the woke from the woke from the woke woeckel haram a little more. The governor yeah. I think they will. I mean it's almost comical East all of these sits at keep falling moving all star gang from a city. That's you know. Our metro area with fifty one percent african american to joe area ten percent. African american has less early. Voting days in georgia has fifteen seventeen bug all day requirement for in person voting as a as. We do the voter the here. I mean it's insane. I mean you. You've compare where major league baseball is headquartered in new york and we've you know i've talked to that bad issue the nauseam really about the discrepancies in how they're guiding and pulling games out of a state like ours yet they're headquartered in state is more restricted than we are and it just doesn't add up. I will tell you the people here in all over the country and figuring this out there outrage and they are sick and tired cancelled cancel culture. And i gotta tell you. I think in georgia. Brian probably is going to win reelection on this against abrahams abrahams realizes. She overplayed her hand to run out now. Even raphael warnock. Who refused to take a position on boycotts and as well is usually boycotted. You're you're hurting the democrats Ones calling for it originally and this is going to blow up in their faces now and they're going to get what they deserve. Which is brian. Four more years in atlanta as governor.

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"Hello and welcome it. Is eric erickson here. The full number if you'd like to be a part of the program is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Eight seven seven nine seven three seven four to five glad to have you with me this morning by the way and i wanna i if i can deviate a bit from the street headlines if you will. I'm sorry i'm trying to i. I forgot to push some buttons and flips switches as we as we launched the programs were and texting a friend of mine. All right now. I can focus. I wanna read you three different pieces and just bear with me in these. There are some new stories out. I guess you could say columns opinion pieces. That are there in the background conversation. If you will. And i want to bring them for the you know what happens. Oftentimes is the opinion leaders if you will and washington new york and the conservative movement the the editorialist. They're talking about things behind the scenes. And they're not really telling you what's going on. But the their responses to those things are shaping the way they then talk about the conversation. And i just think it in the interests of candor and fairness disclosure. I should bring you buying the curtain and let you listen to some of these And it starts with this piece by glenn elmer's at the american mind. The claremont institute and the headline is conservatism. Is no longer enough. It shows muscular guy wrapping his hands as if he's about to get into a boxing match. Here's limit let me just read you parts of this. Let's be blunt many of you by the way many of you are going to agree with this. Let's be blunt. The united states has become two nations occupying the same country when pressed or in private many would now agree fewer are willing to take the next step and accept that most people living in the united states today certainly more than half are not americans in any meaningful sense of the term. I don't just mean the millions of illegal immigrants obviously those foreigners who have bypass the regular process for entering our country and probably will never assimilate to our language and culture are politically as well as legally aliens. I'm really referring to the mini native born people. Some of whose families have been here since the mayflower who may technically be citizens of the united states but are no longer if they ever were americans. They do not believe in live by or even like the principles traditions and ideals that until recently defined america's nation as a people. It is not obvious what we should call these citizens. Aliens these non-american americans but they are something else. What about those who do consider themselves americans. By and large i referred to the seventy five million people who voted in the last election against the senile figurehead of a party that stands for mob violence rootless censorship and racial grievances not to mention bureaucratic despotism regardless of trump's obvious flaws preferring. His reelection was not a difficult choice. For these voters. In fact leaving aside the republican never trumpers and some squeamish centrists. It was not a difficult choice for either side. Both right and left know where they stand. Today it is not together not anymore. Those who wanted to make america great again. They referred to themselves as republicans though many realize that apart from trump the party does not really care about them. Mini may also some loose ways consider themselves conservatives but among those plumbers insurance salesman jim owners and factory workers. There's one question you can pretty much guarantee. They never discussed with their family. For what kind of conservative are you. This question is virtually no bearing on the problems that overshadow their lives. It is still a question however that occupies intellectuals journalists in the world of tanks and this matters unfortunately because however sensible down earth the voters may be an effective political movement needs intellectual leadership to organize explain the movements purposes and goals. This leadership is still divided into the name. A few neo-con piliokahi not to be confused with paleo. Libertarians rad triads. That's radical traditionalist. The dissident right reform macon's etcetera distraction. But before i reject these disputes is mostly relevant. Let me make a couple of points about why we immediately leave the debate behind now. I'm actually going to skip over some of that. And i'm going to get to this. The great majority of establishment conservatives who were alarmed and repelled by trump's rough manner disregard for norms are almost totally clueless about a basic fact. Our norms are now hopelessly corrupt and need to be destroyed. It has been like this for a while. In the maga- voters knew it. While most of the policy wonks magazine scrubbers did not instill. It's almost every in almost every case. The political practices institutions and even rhetoric governing. The united states have become hostile to both liberty and virtue on top of that the mainline churches universities popular culture and the corporate world or rotten to the core. What exactly are we trying to conserve. That was glue. Elmer's the claremont institute. Now let me read you. This from dan dresner in the washington post. He's writing response to the elmer's piece by conventional metrics conservatives are down but not out in american politics after two thousand twenty election that many predicted would be democratic blowout republicans still control majority of governorships and actually increased their control of state legislatures. Things look worse for the gop at the national level but far less hopeless democrats hold bear majorities in both the house and senate if the midterms follow pass pattern. It would not be surprised if the gop controls at least one chamber in twenty twenty three. This observation seem somewhat disconnected from conservative rhetoric. However on fox news. It is the in time jesse kelly and tucker carlson agree that the right will soon embraced fascism because they have no other choice rachel campos. Duffy argues that michelle obama was the secret agent of culture to take over the us military. And then there's the claremont conservatives like glenn elmer's who wrote the super chill essay about the state of america which opens his follows. Let's be blunt blah blah blah blah. Blah i read it. During the trump era. The standard lament was that liberals scared about power and the political realm but did not have it whereas conservatives cared about power in the cultural round but did not have it and let's be clear conservatives have lost influence in the cultural realm academia has moved to the left so has the media the standard counter to this charge for those of us residing in these institutions is that these are professions codes of conduct constrain. How much one's political preferences affect one's intellectual output these codes or not perfect conservative critiques of cancel culture. Not without foundation still. They've been exaggerated. The trouble for conservatives is that reliably conservative institutions have begun acting in a less conservative manner polling during the trump years suggested the military was moving away from the gop. Since president biden was inaugurated conservatives have been banging on about the woke military because the defense secretary's committed to combating political extremism. In general officers are pushing back on. Tucker carlson's harangues about women in the military meanwhile conservatives feel besieged by big business as well put yourself in the position of claremont conservative right-wingers lost influence over liberally institutions heretofore conservative institutions are coming more hostile as well the last remaining holdout maybe religion but that trend line is discouraging fate base conservatives democrats will retain control of the house in an executive branch twenty twenty three the earliest compared with four years ago populists conservatives exercise much power and influence the country seems to be turning against them. Conservatives are not crazy to feel like they're missed feeling or facing existential threats they start to sound crazy failing to recognize their own culpability in the situation. They find themselves in. That's article two now. Bear with me last one here. This is from rod dreher in the american conservative headline woke capitalism in decadent republicans. Arkansas governor hutchinson proving once again that many republican politicians are as useless as a bore when it comes to defending anything culturally conservative or saying vetoed a sensible law that would have prevented body changing surgeries or hormones from minors suffering from gender dis fauria. Back in two thousand fifteen after woke capitalism came down hard on the state of indiana over its state version of the religious freedom restoration act for she this repeal the same governor hutchinson saw to it. That the arkansas version of the same was strangled in the crib. Walmart which is super woke cleared. its throat and governor hutchinson did its bidding. I wrote the benedict option. Because i believe we are. In revolutionary times are in fact living through the collapse of our culture and civilization and that faithful christians needed to figure out how to survive intact the friend this morning text to say his nominally. Conservative religious institution had suddenly gone woke. He sent this quote from jack. The bosons celebrated two thousand one door stopper from dawn to decadence. The system was rotten. This has been said over and over yet. The old hulk was immovable. When people accept futility the absurd as normal the cultures designate the term is not a slurred as a technical label a decadent culture offers opportunities chiefly to the satirist in order and on it goes now. I've been thinking a lot about this. And i've been thinking about it to some degree in light of my with tim keller and really his book hope and times of fear. You've got glen elmer's at the claremont institute an intellectual take for conservatives of that has gone towards reactionary conservative populism that What is there left to conserve. There's nothing left to conserve. He even goes on for example to to attack the constitution. The us constitution longer works but that fact raises more questions than answers. Lots of groups today will tell you what's wrong with society and leather particular theory or doctrine. When i say that maga- voters are clermont conservative that transcends any faction return for into the idea. The united states was the first nation in history of the world explicitly founded on the idea that government derives all his legitimacy from inalienable rights. America's re conception of democracy differed from what the world usually mid up to this point. The rule of the majority in america would be limited in principle and on and on it goes. You've got the responses to it from people like the got lament of the collapse of a decadent culture from rod. Dreher it. this gets me back to the idea of hope. And i finally now having read all these pieces and the responses to the pieces and i share some of greg elmer's concerns what i would note about a vast array of conservative voices in washington particularly the ones that were so easily persuaded that donald trump is terrible. And there's no redeeming virtue now in the republican party The people who could most easily do that are the ones who have no religious foundation And i have no affinity four The culture of life. It's really easy for people to say i'm going to vote democrat donald trump When you don't think killing kids a bad thing. And it's really easy to cast aspersions on people like glenn elmer's and others for lamenting what they see as they collapse of culture. We and you actually are okay. With a lot of what's go- you may not like the takes. You may not like the the rapid Censorship of of the cancel culture. But you know transgenderism not a big deal for you. The the fact that that people are looking at bruce jenner. And saying well you better calling caitlyn or else he i mean he did legally change his name. So i guess we should but that we're supposed to accept. He is a she even not. My child last night was lamenting that. There's a a kid that she knows who She now wants to have a gender neutral name and and be referred to as they an and mike. It's like it's just easier to go along with it when i'm in front of them because otherwise they had this meltdown and a lot of you at the end of the day. I think you're just hired of the meltdown you. You can't say what you want to say. And of course the lesser. Well you just racist things like what the hell is in the water. And i actually i. I've got a thought on this. And it's this hope when tim killer and i were talking the other day. He pointed out that most people when they used the word hope. They're talking about wishful thinking. I hope. I hope. I can combine my two radio shows and get back to just one three our national show i. I hope that i can get a new car. I hope that all have the money to put a new rule now. I hope that my kids will do well in school. It's a wish i. I wish that this will happen. What actually is is the the word we use is better translated in in the bible. Shameful the hope of the resurrection the hope of the cross. The hope of our savior is the profound certainty. There's not a lot of profound certainty right now on the right other than that. The left is bad. So what we see is on the left that becomes the mission of the right is what's on the left. The left is bad. We are profoundly certain that the left is bad. So let's own them. The problem with that though is that. And i think this is glenn. Elmer's mrs things. I think to some degree this where dan dresner his response. Mrs things where rod dreher. Mrs things that My hope is in the american people. And if you've lost the american people then you've lost the culture and and no amount of getting it back no Embrace of fascism to say. We're not gonna have actually gives we're gonna put our guys in and that's it we're done and you can't have. You can't have the levers of power back because we you're gonna do the same does. There's a profound wisdom in the average american citizen. Who is it on social media. Who isn't a yelling at the tv. All the all the time. They're not watching fox news. The reason their family their love in their life they're navigating through and we have lost the profound surtee in the goodness of the american people. On both sides. I think on both sides. But we've also lost the profound certainty that conservatism is a winning message. And you see on the right. And you see that. Because i think roger gets to this a conservatives have felt sold out by their leaders that i've had conservative pro-life activists they would rather talk to democrats about abortion rights. Because at least they know they're dealing with someone who honestly doesn't agree with them. As opposed to a lot of republican members of congress will pat him on the head and then keep funding planned parenthood. We've lost profound certainty that our leaders in our party really agree with us and we knew the donald trump though we may not agree with him on everything knew he would certainly own the left because he knew they were bad because they weren't with him anyone who's not with the against him. He's attacking the conservative governor of georgia. Because he thinks the conservative governor. Georgia could have done things he couldn't do to stop the election in november from going to joe biden. There's a there's a profound certainty that the left is bad and no profound certainty and our ideas anymore and so no one wants to even have the talk about ideas. No one wants to have a talk about. What could we do to bring people to us. It's just let's we gotta fight. We gotta fight the constitution's bad. The constitution broken society is broken. We gotta fight gotta fight. You know you can't fight in the way you want to fight institutions are lying against you. They will stop you and the to get the back is to rediscover your profound certainty in the goodness of the american people as a society in all you have to do is look at the fact that in november yeah the left with biden and the right for the most part when trump but a great many people went with joe biden and then voted. Republican down ballot. Because they don't want the drama they don't want the fight They don't want the nastiness that they want. They want some hopeful vision of america. And they didn't think they could get it with trump or with the democrats that tells me that the republicans have a winning message luring black hispanic voters over to their side and the light. There's a winning message there. If we will just reimburse the hope of good ideas the profound certainty of good ideas. We can even bypass the media. We see it happening on a daily basis. We've got to get back to that and get away from this idea that we have to fight because the system is corrupted against us. It's all come tumbling down. No rediscover your hope in america. Hello there it is. You're here said here. The phone number is eight. Seven seven nine seven eric. Nine seven three seven four to five. Wow look at the clock. I went long that last segment. I need to tell you about omar's steaks. Y'all i'm excited for omaha steaks new package that they've just come out with if you go to omaha steaks dot com when the site load. See over the top a banner a search bar right next to the logo. You put in the word georgia and you'll see my name. Come up when you do that you'll go to the let's go grill assortment the let's go grill assortment you're going to save forty eight percent. According to the website at this very moment you're gonna save definitely over forty five percent here. Though here is the genius of this is. The weather is turning good. It's warming up. 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And it is an article at the claremont institute by glenn elmer's who basically says conservatives. It was no longer enough. We haven't really conserved anything and there's nothing useful. It's time for counter-revolution learn some useful skills. Stay healthy get strong. Read some books and it's really a lack of hope. It's there's a. There's there is an element within conservatism. That came to the foreground with the flight. Ninety three election stuff also from claremont in two thousand sixteen and now a piece. by glyn elmer's that essentially conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight that we've got a hold on the dangers here. Let me just play this out. As as people on the other side see it and frankly This is a to some degree. I can see how they see. It is when you say. Conservatism has conserve nothing. And it's time to fight. you eventually. do get to where the left has been you. Were going even if you never meant to get there. Which is you get to. Someone grabs power. Never lets it go because if you believe that your capacity your ability kit can only be to hold power and never let it go order to shape and change things a peanut shape moment here in this country. I you don't really. you're you're not. Really even you've given up on conservatism. To and and essentially a lot of these people have given up on conservatism. Because they feel like. The leaders of the republican party gave up on conservatism. And i would say that one of the worst things to happen to. Conservatism was the election of w bush. And i don't mean that as a criticism of bush. What happened. When george w bush got elected is the conservative movement became a wholly owned subsidiary of the republican party. But you gotta go back a little bit further than that. Because really the worst thing to happen to. Conservatism was bill clinton. Bill clinton wiped out the democratic party and the democratic coalition that existed before bill clinton's defeats in ninety four win the entire south rapidly with republican and a lot of the midwest did too and the west did before that conservatives had to reach across the island. They had to find a common tongue with democrats who were conservative. The conservative democrats were so wiped out by bill clinton and his behavior conservatives no longer had to reach across the aisle conservatives could stay within the republican party and build coalitions and ideas within the republican party and then along comes george bush and a lot of the conservative movement then becomes the republican party. And you really start to see the media using conservative republican interchangeably as if it means the same thing you rarely ever see when used progressive democrat and mean the same thing but you very frequently even among conservatives will hear conservative republican and and they've always been different and but because people internalize that conservative republicans. Say well there are a lot of republican leaders. Who aren't very conservative. Look at ason hutchins. Hutchinson in arkansas. He vetoed a bill that would prohibit a transgender surgeries for children. The arkansas legislature over ruled him over overrode his veto and he was on fox useless. It had a very bizarre interview with tucker carlson. Hutchinson claims to be socially conservative and yet when a corporation steps it's finger he does. Their bidding corporations have moved to the left culture itself moved to the left and so there are a lot of people who feel like they're that that things are slipping away from them. Which is why you have this. This fight or flight response now by some conservatives. They've abandoned all hope. And that is the bottom line here. That conservative leaders conservative intellectuals and a lot of the the grass roots element within the republican party. They have lost hope. And let's be blunt and honest. You're donald trump. Did not give people hope. He gave them an outlet by which they can have their vengeance on other side that they blamed for destroying the country. donald trump. what did they say he fights whether he fought or not he fights and people went with trump because of that. And frankly that's why there's this element of trump supporters. Now who like josh hawley. So much because always been very unapologetic about Challenging the election of he refuses to be bleed. it's why so many now Gravitate towards santa's forget the policy. He fights he fights and they want a fighter. They want someone to fight what they need. Is someone who offers hope. Not hope that we can own the left but hope for a better tomorrow and some of these people have have decided that owning the left gives us a better tomorrow. And that's not the case because it's not sustainable because there are a lot of people in the middle who you require to vote for you do. Their whole idea of hope for tomorrow is a better job. There hope for tomorrow is that their children get ahead and you got a lot of conservatives out there now and their messages we've conserved nothing. Even the constitution doesn't work. We got to prepare for a fight these people. I don't wanna fight. They want to make ends meet. They want their kid to go to college. And you've got a winning issue right in front of you. The culture fight because so many of these conservative electrodes have internalized that conservatism is conserved nothing and culture is lost. Look at what happened the election. Forget your your theory that the election was sold just just for a moment please and this is going to be hard for some of you and i realize this but for a moment please just please for one moment. Pretend even if you don't agree with me pretend that the election wasn't stolen. Just pretend. how do you reconcile. How do you reconcile that. The republicans gained state legislatures held governors mansions and nearly took back the house representatives if the election was stolen. How do you reconcile that you reconcile it by looking at what happened if you assume it wasn't stolen which you understand and conceive from the data is that the american people they kind of got tired of donald trump but they didn't get tired of the policies. They got tired of waking up to see if he started world. War three on twitter. They didn't get tired of him. Fighting back against woke them they elected a bunch of republicans and took back several state legislatures. They were turned all the republican governors. They held state legislatures. They could have lost like here in georgia and donald trump lost by slim margins. Forty thousand votes nationwide. In the electoral college. Forget the millions of votes. That joe biden got from Places like california new york. Look at the forty thousand votes that gave him. The electoral college win got slightly less votes than donald. Trump got four years ago the electoral college. If you reconcile all this together what you see is that. There's an america that is still. Conserving cultural conservatism. There's an america that still believes in hard work. There's an america that still believes in going to church. There's an america that still believes that boys becoming girls is kind of nuts and they're ripe for the taking because the left is trying to cancel them as well. The left is bullying them as well which you have to do to get those people though is not be like donald trump takes his policies but not be the on the left. Throw the punch. You've got offer hope now. What is that hope. That hope is a profound certainty that your ideas are better than their ideas and what we have right now is a profound certainty of doubt on the republican side a profound certainty that the country has lost. The you can't really hi. I'm joe blow. Vote for me for president because we've conserve nothing. And there's nothing left in this country worth saving and we need to burn all down and start over again. Guess how many votes that guy's gonna get. There's there's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a sunset picture. There's joy in the sunrise and republicans are painting a picture of decline. And they're not just painting a picture of decline. They're painting a picture of not only are we declining. But the way that we have to get back as we got a fight and it may become a physical fight the country's tearing itself apart there are two americas and one of them. They're not really american. You know what the other side is saying to you. That will you know those guys. They're not really american anymore. They don't believe in the constitution. Even we believe in the constitution. Now you can argue with them you can say they really don't but but that's their message thursday in the same damn thing you're saying except they're offering people a picture of a greater tomorrow able more tolerant more diverse more open society whether you believe them or not. I have a profound certainty in the american people. And i have proof. They rejected the defunding police. People in two thousand twenty. When everyone said they wouldn't. They rejected the democrats nationwide the only democrat. They really backed was joe biden. Who promised just to return to normalcy. Guess what he lied to him and now they know what they see it she features just offer. Some hope offer offers optimism offer. Some are our best days are ahead of us rhetoric and get beyond your cold war vision of america beyond your nine thousand nine hundred. Eighty be reagan playbook and address the issues of the here and now this whole idea of well. Now we're the we're the working class. Where the where he not. You're not really you're not really. The party of the working lasted in fact. A lot of the working class did vote democrat If you actually look at the actual date of who actually voted there was some working class. Vote for republicans but by large voted for the rub against the middle class black white asian hispanic the middle class. It's the rich white people and the the die hard union people who stayed with the democrats. Now what are the democrats want to do. They want oppose unionism on everyone. They want to raise your taxes. They wanna get you out of your car. They want to keep your schools. Close down The democrats have embraced a pessimistic governing vision that they're packing with ideas about hope for tolerance diversity. Where they really mean is is orwellian. Cancel culture that this is why the right should fight on these cultural moments. But they can do so with the hope. The american people and right now. They're not they're just. I mean they're pinning these issues at claremont. We gotta fight it. It's with we're we're done. Even the constitution doesn't work. We gotta fight. Oh no offer hope. And what are the things you do to offer hope. Is you laugh at the other side laugh at them. they're gonna scowl. They've got the media on their side. But you still do enron about them. You can still do run around them. You don't need the the mainstream media anymore and republicans still i. Well we lost the media al qaeda ever win again because you don't need them. You got the american people on your side. How do i know because they overwhelmingly voted for you in november even if they rejected donald trump. If you get out of the idea that it was stolen from him you start to see these things and you realize the american people are not with the local haram crowd. They're not with the defend. The police crown. They're not with the angry left. They're not with the academics and they're not with the media there with you so just offer him something hopeful not we gotta stand and fight because the country's going to hell in a handbasket the world's on fire and everybody sold us out. Yeah i want to be on that guy side. No offer a hopeful vision for a better tomorrow where your kid can get ahead and one of the ways you can do that. Frankly is you can take on the elite in this country. The amazons of like you can take them on because people are turning on them. They're realizing that they've taken the vision of the american dream. And they've walled off from a whole class of people in this country who are entrepreneurs and ambitious. And they're told him no. You've got to stay on the social safety net. We're gonna keep you comfortable but don't you dare get off of it. There's a vision. For better tomorrow in conservatism if conservatives will just go back to it or find a new way to talk about it instead of just being angry about everything right now anger is not going to get you back into power and believing and professing that. The constitution is broken. It's not going to get you there. In fact it's going to give a lot of people reason to say you're not really a patriot. You believe that. And they're not going to vote for you governor. Brian kemp of georgia has become the latest to reject the idea of a vaccine passport. Rhonda santa's greg abbott. I believe doug ducey in arizona now. Brian kemp coming forest. Nope it is an invasion of privacy to require a vaccine passport. You have a right to travel in this country and Vaccine passport violates that right to travel Good on them. I got to spend a little bit of time on ac hutchinson but but to get there While i gotta this tucker carlson interview with. I can't play you all of the interview. I had to go back and watch it because my mom was texted me last night. wondering what on earth has gotten into the governor of arkansas. Now the governor of arkansas. You do need to understand. has always been beholden to walmart. Walmart is the chief employer in the state of arkansas and when arkansas arkansas is one of those few states it's kind of funny. They're more blue states with religious restoration acts than red states. They never thought they needed and now in arkansas considered one a few years ago walmart stepped in said nope p- and the result is that Governor hutchinson made sure it couldn't pass. Let me just play you. Part of this is just tucker carlson. The one that we allow eighteen year olds to drink beer in arkansas. Why don't we let him to get tattoos when we left. Fifteen year olds to get married. You're allowing vetoed a bill. That would have protected. Children not adults children. Doom a different standard applies from a life altering permanent procedure. That has effects. We can only guess. The early indication is very serious and very negative in some cases. And now you're telling you do that because you're a friend of limited government okay then. Why are we preventing kids from drinking sincere question. Getting married sincere question having sex. They're not enough to have sex but they're old enough to be chemically castrated. How does that work exactly. I'll listen as point. I'll listen to the. I mean the. The governor of arkansas was a he he did a very badge he did himself no favours by going on with tucker carlson he should probably fire whoever thought. It was a good idea for him to go on television with tucker carlson and it was also a very dumb thing for him to do now. The arkansas legislature has overridden his legislation Senator clark tucker democrat a little rock city was concerned about the most powerful people believe the most vulnerable senator. Ted rice republican of waldron. Arkansas moved for immediate consideration of emotion to override to protect children. The arkansas legislature in a vote of twenty five to eight in the senate and seventy two to twenty five in. The house voted to override governor. Asa hutchinson's veto of a bill to ban gender affirming treatment for transgender. You now let's let's let's deal with the new speak for a moment. Have you noticed the orwellian newspeak when it comes to transgender philosophy these days if you want to send your kid to therapy to get them to embrace the way god made them. It's called conversion therapy and it's bad but if you want your child to change their gender it's called gender affirming shouldn't be the other way round conversion surgery gender affirming therapy not not with the wilkes. It's the exact opposite and in arkansas. Now the the legislature has overruled the governor and imposed a ban on trans gender. A gender dysphoric surgery. And they've done so to protect kids because there's a growing movement of insane parents who wanna start giving their kids puberty and other things before their of of the age of legal consent to keep them in some way oftentimes because the parents impose their own biases and prejudices on the kids. It's the whole thing is very bizarre. We are in a very weird cultural moment. In the fact that as hutchinson would side with the locks on this Tells you his career is kinda done. Now he's he can't run again for office Sarah sanders running for white house. Press secretary Daughter former governor. Mike huckabee of arkansas. The whole thing is bizarre. The interview with carlson was genuinely bizarre. So which i had to go back and watch it a. My mom was texted me about it. Hutchinson i don't know who's advising him But he's he's way out of this league on this.

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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Jan 01 2021

The Rush Limbaugh Show

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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Jan 01 2021

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Daily podcast on the iheartradio app. Or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome today's edition of the rush. Limbaugh show podcast. Greetings to you. Music lovers thrillseekers conversationalist all across the fruited plane rush. Limbaugh back at it. The excellence in broadcasting network a great day to be back folks. Thank you so much. I apologize for being out. I i remember mentioning at the very beginning of. This is going to be random days where i would just need to take off and the last couple have been in. That category had some medical challenges but that was to be expected dealing with them. Every day remains a gift. I wake up every morning. And i thank god that i did and there will probably be down the road similar type days where i will need to take a day for store for whatever medical challenges present themselves but the fact that i'm able to get back here and be with. You is a genuine blessing. And i appreciate it. I appreciate your your understanding Throughout the throughout all of this As as we say everything's day-to-day and especially in the circumstances find myself in everything is day-to-day and you strive to make everyday the best it can be. And that's exactly what i'm doing. So i appreciate your understanding and your patients and here we are revved and ready to go for another three hours of broadcast. Excellence i'm going to violate one of my one of my rules here One of my rules is that when i am disgust in the drive by media what i'm talking about when i am slandered. Libel or misrepresented. I have always come down on the side of ignoring it rather than discussing it because discussing it amplifies it and makes it even bigger than it already is but that is a moot point because in this circumstance air already making it. Bigger than it should have ever been and it's chock full of misrepresentations in lies and so rather than sit here and ignore this and allow people to draw whatever conclusions they do. I'm gonna. I'm gonna deal with this head on and what this is is this supposed- allegation that i am somehow in favor of secession that i am in favor of civil war that i have predicted a civil war that i have suggested that maybe it would just be better if we divided the country. I have not said this. I have acknowledged that. I have seen other people say it. I have not mentioned their name since they obviously do not wanna step forward and own it. But they know who they are. They are bloggers. They are prominent bloggers there. Two or three of them who have numerous times suggested that secession. Be in our future because we don't have in common anymore. The things that divide us have no overlap. All i've done is simply repeat what i have read and as i know i always take great pains to protect people's privacy and their identity even though they're writing under their own names and i have i have not mentioned any names know how volatile the subject is but i do a three hour radio program. That's a lot of content that that exists here and there are many many days where that content yearns to be discussed. So i do now. One of the reasons that i usually do. Not mention these kinds of things because there's a theory. Oh wow limbaugh must really be upset. Now he's talking about it now. It must have really hit a home run. Limbaugh must really be in favor of now. It's not that at all. it's just. I'm sick and tired of being lied about and misrepresented when the people doing it. No they know i am not in favor of secession. They cannot find a single quote of mine. Where i'm in favor of it. So let's go to the audio soundbites. Australia wanted me. We put together a montage here from last wednesday and thursday. And i. i'm not gonna mention the names of the dufuses in this montage but here is how it sounded elsewhere in the media last Let's see last wednesday and thursday liberal. Now he's denying that he was actually in favor of secession. But he's playing with fire rush. Limbaugh talking about secession rush. Limbaugh trial ballooning. civil war. secession. They're calling for military action. We've seen rush limbaugh. Do this the godfather of this sort of political rhetoric introduced it and said oh i was just talking about succession is treason. Russia that talk as reckless. It's irresponsible it is reckless and irresponsible. I never suggested it. I'm simply telling you what other people are saying an no. I'm not going to quote these other people but they know who they are. I find it fascinating when this kind of stuff happens this is by no means the first time i have been accused of saying something where i have simply been repeating what i've said or seeing other people say and they do not step forward and raise their hands and i said i'm the one that said it. They're out there hiding but they know who they are. Okay so that's one montage then thursday night on fox. This is the story with martha mccallum. She had geraldo the grim. Reaper showed up. You know when geraldo shows up. Somebody's going to die or has died and she was talking to geraldo about my comments that the united states may be heading toward secession. So the set things up here. She is introducing in playing an audio clip of mine. Even rush limbaugh warning that he thinks we might be headed in a dangerous direction. An actual separation of the states. I actually think that we're trending toward secession. Can't go on this way. There cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life theories of government theories of how we manage our affairs. We can't be in this dire a conflict without something giving somewhere along the way also profound and challenging statement for our nation right now. Well it's it's a profound challenging statement because all kinds of people are talking about it and by the way have been writing about it for a number of multiple weeks. This is not anything that's actually even knew. Actually think we might be trending toward it. I said that. Because i'm reading about it. I'm reading people who by the way. I've quoted before on this program and who i respect. They're out there saying they're out there and by the way when they say it they don't just say if they it up with their own theories of y and i'm fascinated when they write it on there. Nobody writes about it. Nobody's agent you see what was illinois is such and such blog and no no they wait till i repeat it and then somehow claim it originated with me so after she that up. She then went to the grim reaper. Geraldo rivera for his reaction is treason. Russia alabama is a a powerhouse broadcaster. He's one in a zillion. They come along once a generation but that talk as reckless. It's irresponsible we are one nation indivisible. i had a laugh of rush. Goes on to say that people where he is have no idea what people in new yorker thinking. They're so different. A different species half up new york lives in florida where rush limbaugh lives. It's preposterous leaders. Who accentuate differences and exacerbate the divide themselves as responsible. I didn't accentuate or exacerbate it at all. I didn't originate it. It's something that is out there and being discussed by others. Now here's here's martha mccallum reacting to the grim reaper. That's strong charge. And it is as i said it's a discussion that i think is being had in a lot of places. There's a piece by the claremont institute recently called the which talked about this. I mean nobody wants this to be the case. And i'm sure that rush doesn't want secession session to be where the country's headed ecorse not but see she. She's she's wanting to quote a place that talked about it. The separation that's from the claremont institute. The claremont institute is a very highly reputed conservative. think tank and Library is a library of conservative philosophy in thought and they are discussing it there. So martha did something. Nobody else in the media. Did she went out and actually listened to this program and she found an audio sound bite of me that is appropriate to use in fits based on what all had been discussed on her program so the comments prior to this. We're thursday night on friday. She played a clip. Now imagine if the rest of the media cared about getting things right she wouldn't be the only one found this. This is rush limbaugh. Because last night geraldo went after him for talking about this session statement. I just wanna play this real quick for everybody at home. I simply referenced. What i have seen other people sir about how we are incompatible as currently divided and that secession is something that people are speculating about. I m not advocating. It have not advocated. Never have advocated and probably wouldn't just wanted to square the circle and make sure that we gave russia's do by playing that part of it. So thank you. Martha for the deep digging i into the archives of the program to find something that was readily available for anybody that wanted to to find it now. I don't expect this to change anything like what's going to happen is is that These same critics of aha see we got him. We caught rush rush rush. Knows he's given cross. He's trying to change what he said. But they're gonna they're totally distort the whole thing again because i represent the opposition. I am the if you somehow Come along and damage my credibility than they think. They've damaged the credibility of the entire opposition and so forth. Which is why all of this stuff happens. There's one more. I think i have one more. Maybe and maybe a couple more. Let's let's this. This is from sunday morning on. Meet the depressed during the roundtable and a discussion about people on the right talking about secession. The moderator is f. Chuck todd these talking to the hoover institute. Senior fellow lonnie chen. Who said this rush. Limbaugh the godfather of this sort of political rhetoric that we're dealing with these days also introduced a minute. Stop the godfather of what the the the godfather of this political rhetoric that we are talking about these days godfather political all right. Well your cue it back up to the topless won't interrupt soundbite again know rush limbaugh the godfather this sort of political rhetoric. God also introduced it and said oh i was just talking about it. Talk about secession. And the like is nonsense. And it's dangerous. You talk about going against federalism going against the notion that you should ask the judiciary to be activist overturning. The will of the people i mean. These are the kinds of things chuck growing up in the republican party to me would have been fundamentally offensive. But you've got a bunch of people who are out there. Making this crazy argument essentially to politically appease one man and two politically appease their electorate instead of explaining to them. Hey look here's the reason why this is madness. Why what is madness. I'm not sure. I know what lonnie chen is talking about here. I always thought the hoover institute was a conservative place but it seems that they're getting rid of all the conservative thinking out there and replacing it with a bunch of rhino type thinking lisa. What it seems to me any right this. This is the same people who lied about russian collusion and trump stealing the election in two thousand sixteen to saint people lying about me now. So that's that. I just wanted to set the record straight. I know it's not going to set anything straight. It's going to accomplish the exact opposite but what what matters to me. Is you people in the audience. You understanding what's what. And and what i mean when i say what i mean i m a preeminent communicator. I don't leave anybody in doubt as to what i mean when i say anything i perhaps the most direct communicator. I do not speak in riddles at all and believe me. If if i were in favor of secession you would have no doubt about you. Would you wouldn't doubt for a minute. Just the divisions in this country that exist are largely because of people on the left anyway so if there is anybody out there moving toward a drifting apart or a division of people in this country. It's people on the left us. Okay seek to. I have time to get this next bite. The maybe not. Let me take a brief break. We'll do that. We'll come back. I've got rachel maddow here trying to explain the magic of rush limbaugh. But i'm not quite sure. I understand that. Even reading with transcript. Let's see this last thursday comedy central daily show. Trevor noah is the is the this is the former show hosted by john. John stewart and rachel meadow is the guest and the question to rachel maddow from trevor. No is there something that liberals and democrats are missing in america and learning how to communicate with people and convincing them of ideas. You know that question is actually more profound than this guy understands. The you know the difference in persuasion and convincing. You know the difference. It's a big difference and he asked right here in is there something. Liberals and democrats are missing in america in learning how to communicate with people and convincing them of you know want to convince people you want them to figure it out on their own. You want to persuade not convince anyway. What he's talking about here is the magic of conservative media and how the left can't beat us. They can't beat us in talk radio no matter how they try and he wants to know what matthaeus theory is and she gets it spectacularly wrong. I was also part of this experiment where liberals tried to do. Am talk radio with air. America radio for a long time and it was at that point. am talk. Radio is basically in a foreign language or sports or church or rush limbaugh. We tried and it didn't work. And so i thought about this a lot. I do think that there is something that is a little bit magic about the right wing media that the left wing media. We'll never do. And that. I think liberals and centrists will never do which is that they tell their audience. You can trust no one other than me. There are no facts other than those that i'm giving to. You is so spectacularly wrong. This also illustrates why they don't understand trump they don't understand the bond trump has the connection he has with his voters is basis audience. What heavy and they certainly don't understand the successive talk radio conservative. Talk radio era american. They were clueless from the beginning. They treated it as a fundraising operation. They didn't treat it as a commercial business. And no. I don't know how to make a profit. It's not even part of their their lexicon profits dirty word. Everything is fund raising to them and they have they have no clue about building an audience and holding it and and creating credibility with the audience. This idea that we sit here and tell you look. There's one son of facts. That's what i'm telling you and there's nothing else that's true. That's not at all what happens here or anywhere else in conservative media. We just have the ability born of honesty to connect with people. I mean if there's any group of people out there which is telling your audience you can trust no one other than me. What the hell have we been through for the past four years with mainstream media lying through their teeth multiple times a day about anything and everything having to do with donald trump and conservative media. So they never did understand the success. They thought all they had to do was go on the air. That only had is going to go out. And get some fundraisers against donors be up and running and they had literally no clue how to build an audience how to create an audience. How to connect with with an audience at all so now they. They look at conservative media. Something they can't beat and then he's got to be something. That'd be some kind of magic. It's got to be something that we would never do. It's gotta be something so low. It's got to be something so beneath our dignity that we would never do and whether they decided is well we have our own set of facts and we tell you that whatever we tell you is all there is. There is no alternative. What they don't get is that. I do a better job of preventing of presenting both sides of any issue than they ever will. Because i am into persuasion. I am attempting to get people to think and conclude the proper thing not by convincing them by persuading quick time out. We'll be right back okay. Let's start in the fall. Carol carols in steubenville ohio. I'm glad you called sir. Hello hello sir many those and also lots of prayers for you and your family. Thank you very much. I wanted to talk about the the recent court cases and especially the supreme court cases texas and the kinds of precedent setting for election lawsuits. Basically i'm of the opinion. I i've been following these things a lot and it seems that no one's really willing to hear the case on the merits they basically kinda suggests that while we don't have jurisdiction or we don't have a acceptable remedy or the cases mood or the person doesn't have standing. I'm kind of wondering. Are they basically all saying that. It's impossible to bring an election lawsuit because it's just impossible to bring an election lawsuit on the barracks No i don't think that's what they're saying because if it's a case they wanted to take they would take it. I think You know a friend of mine sent me a note. After the texas after the supreme court refused to hear the texas case and the note is supreme. Court just said that. A state that cheats in a national election which screws everybody in the nation is the only entity. That's allowed to do anything about it. Let's asinine it's like saying the only person who can prosecute a murder is the murderer. His point is the supreme court said not allow one st to start suing other states. Because it would soon be out of control and so forth. I think there's a common denominator this that people. I mean you know this but you may not have put it in your equation. This is strictly about getting rid of donald trump. there isn't an entity in the in the in the american deep state washington establishment. Whatever that doesn't want to get rid of donald trump including enough justices on the supreme court. And i think it's it's there's some additional reasons. Why in the court gave its. It's it's reasons but at the bottom line is that this is the best chance they've ever had to get rid of trump and they're not gonna hear these cases they want him gone. It's no more in my humble estimated. No more complicated than that. The precedence that are being set precedent made to be broken. Supreme court can break whenever president wants any time. It wants down the line depending on if they get a case that they that they want to hear if they get a case that they wanted to side. Okay thank you so you bet. I'm glad you called out there. carol. Here's I guess wh- which one end in pittsburgh your next welcome to the ivy network. Hello they rush mega. Data's mega prayers. But just i wanted. I heard mitch. Mcconnell this morning congratulating joe biden and kamala harris on their win and it. Just i have to tell you. It just sickens me rush. When i hear these career politicians congratulating each other on their many many years a quote public service as they all seem late and you know millions and millions of dollars before they leave and that's called public service. I'm just it just doesn't make sense to me at all and it's just kind of enrages me that they keep doing what they call each other public servants. Wait a minute. Even when they're making millions and millions of dollars wh wh what is making millions and millions of dollars have to do with what. What mcconnell said congratulating biden well congratulating them all these years of public service and quite honestly rush. You know elsa south to me like hey. We're putting the swamp. Oh okay. let's i've got. I've got the audio sound bite here. Let's listen to listen to the turtle. This was on the senate floor today. Mitch mcconnell speaking about the electoral college but look. This is the same answer. I just gave the previous caller. If you if you have taken a look at at the news you will see that. This statement mcconnell is being reported as trump conceding mcconnell. Get it for him. Mcconnell has sewn it up. Mcconnell has finally acknowledged at trump lost even if trump won't that's how this is being portrayed. This is what mcconnell said. The electoral college has spoken so today. I want to congratulate. President elect joe biden. President-elect is no stranger to the senate. he's devoted himself to public service for many years. Also want to congratulate. the vice. President elect our colleague from california senator harris beyond our differences. All americans can take pride that our nation has a female vice president elect for the very first time. And so there you have it then that that suffices for trump as a trump concession in terms of the way it's being reported by the media even though trump hasn't conceded anything. They are reporting that mcconnell effectively. Did it for him. Now your comment about public service and the fact that these people. I your biden and and in hunter i gotta tell you know. It's it's it's amazing there there at least four separate federal criminal investigations of the biden family. Going on right now. You know people about the move into the white house. There are four separate federal criminal investigations that resulted from joe biden's years and years and years of quote unquote public service. And here's mitch mcconnell congratulating him on all those years of public service. Here's some headlines hundred biden right in six million dollars in nine months from communist chinese dealings not including the two point eight carat diamond that he got his a gift. Hundred biden failed to disclose four hundred thousand dollars in barisno payments biden is poised to hand republicans and incredible tool to investigate the hunter corruption scandal and joe biden deflects. Questions from the press stays silent on criminal investigation of hunter biden hundred biden self. The us attorney's office is investigating his tax affairs. He said i learned yesterday for the first time the. Us attorney's office in delaware advise my lawyer also yesterday that they are investigating. My hair's so all of this before the election well it was. There just wasn't reported by the people who are reporting now. So why are the people who didn't report this. The election reporting it now my friends. I have explained this on previous editions of this program. Remember the my theory is the ultimate objective is to get biden replaced as soon as feasible. They want combo in there for a whole host of reasons but even if they even even if i'm wrong about that there is another theory and it is the people in the deep state the fbi the intelligence community look what they've got on biden. Now i mean the intelligence community they want to be the first to meet with every president every day. They wanna have access they now have the means of. I mean they can tell biden what to do when to do it and how to do it. Otherwise they go public with all this otherwise they make hay out of it the fact that they have this data the fact that they're letting biden known. Everybody know on his team that this supposedly criminal activity is something they are keeping an eye on is the best way. They have controlling the best way they have of having the executive branch do what these people in a other regions of the executive branch want done. So the difference here is rather than us this before the election as a means of maybe casting doubt on biden's competence and his credibility they hold it they hold onto the information and use it after he's elected as a means of controlling him and that's where we are right. Now that's why all of a sudden these headlines are popping up everywhere and that's why all of a sudden everywhere all the details about all this stuff which you and i knew before the election because of bob alinsky in of the other people the mainstream media never reported any of it. They're only reporting it now. After the election. This is done so as to maintain a level of control over biden as he assumes orifice next month. Be right back they were going back to the phones in just a second but before we do grab audio. Sound bite number ten day mitch. Mcconnell the turtle was sound bite number. Ten john harwood today on. Cnn's news room and he was with jim shooter who said moments before senate majority leader. The turtle made those comments on the senate floor calling biden. President elect for the first time. President trump continued to tweet out baseless conspiracy theory attacks about the stolen election. Do you have any reaction from the white house on this yet from what the turtle did and if not how do you think the president handles. What the turtle did. President trump has the power to sink those two incumbent republican senators if he wants to discouraging people from supporting them kelly leffler the appointed. Senator david purdue. The elected senator. The president has the capacity to take away. Mitch mcconnell's job as majority leader if he sinks those two is he willing to do it. Yeah i think these people think that he is so just to explain this. So mcconnell goes out and basically says for the first time anywhere in the republican party. Joe biden's president-elect. Congratulations mr president by the way. Congratulations comedy harris. The american people are happy to see the first ever woman elected vice-president. That's great with so happy. We're also apso trump watches. Nece trump gets mad. Trump says a turtle you like being the leader of the senate will. I'm gonna taken away from you. I'm going to go out there. And i'm gonna suggest a republican voters in georgia that they not support kelly lovelier and and purdue and thereby the democrats are gonna own the government. And they're going to own the senate and therefore you will have nothing to be leader of. That's what harwood is suggesting. Trump can do as a reaction to mcconnell essentially acknowledging for the republican party. That biden is official. Here's here's jim. In astoria oregon. Jim great to have you on the eib network. Hello mega does rush. That's my birthday today. I get my present Thank you very much appreciate. You don't know you know there are sixty million people praying for you and your family especially. I really appreciate that to more than you know. But but what i wanted to say was Back in april two thousand seventeen California was Injuring articles of secession in their legislature. So i don't understand what's the big deal. Well if anyone did say yes you. Do you know what i the reason. I wanted to take your call. We bumped you up in the order. Because i just found this story in one of the reason breaks and here it is. It's actually. This is a webpage. It's from november tenth. Two thousand sixteen. This is just a week after the election week after trump won one week seven days. California secession plan gains momentum after trump win. Californians made it abundantly. Clear tuesday night. They didn't wanna see. Donald trump in the white house. Overwhelmingly voting for hillary clinton now disappointed with trump's victory. They're seeking another way out. A group of secessionists is taking advantage of post election discontent to push for collects it the new name for the prospect of california. See seating from the us it's modeled after brexit britain's historic decision to leave the european union discussion of the idea exploded whitens day on twitter and nowhere to be found was geraldo rivera. Calling traitorous nowhere to be found was geraldo rivera suggesting that it was treasonous. Formerly nicotine stained fingers at the state of california. They headline california secession plan gains momentum after trump win. There wasn't a single complaint. There wasn't any righteous hand wringing. There wasn't oh my god. This is outrageous. California needs to be so ashamed of themselves. California's craziness california. This is outrageous. Dare you suggested thing there was. None of that and new york has talked about secession as well off and on for decades i guess. Guess it's cute I guess it's cute when california. Does it right here november tenth. Two thousand sixteen. It wasn't the election wasn't even a week. Old ladies and gentlemen don't jim in oregon great memory. Glad you call. We'll take a brief break and be back and continue right after this. Bill gates was on cnn. Recently with With jake tapper. The topic was the pandemic and bill gates. Spoke about how bad winter wave of corona's corona virus is going to be and basically said that we need to shut down bars and restaurants. It just needs to happen and i needed. Shut them down for six months minimum. So here we have a billionaire telling a reporter at cnn that we need to keep closing down businesses and nobody says nobody challenges it. Nobody disagrees. Nobody why are we listening to bill gates. 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And this is from the hill dot com. And i. i'm going to walk you through this. The turtle mitch mcconnell and one of his aides. John thune are begging republican. Senators not to do this begging them not to do it. I'll explain it in due course but there is a what you hear sound bite from ron. Johnson senate homeland security governmental affairs committee hearing today on election security. The chairman of this committee is ron. Johnson republican wisconsin. And he and gary peters. Who's the democrat on the committee from michigan. This listen to the by this is this is ron johnson telling democrats and the deep state how they have lied for the last four years and now wanna be totally excused and exonerated and essentially treated as though none of the last four years ever happened after r biden investigation and the revelations of the hundred by computers said oh. This is russian disinformation. Now we find out. It's a real investigation by the justice department. So it's just galling. And i just have to point out that the purveyors of russian disinformation hillary clinton's campaign. The dnc steele dossier. The ranking member peter's accusing senator grassley. I of descending russian disinformation. That's where the information is coming. That's where the false information the lies this false allegations. That can't sit here and listen to this and say that. This is not disinformation today. This is getting information. We have to take a look at to restore confidence in our election integrity. We're not going to be able to just move on without bring up these irregularities examining them and providing an explanation for chairman. I gotta responded that. He lied repeatedly in the press. I was spreading recipes information and that was an outright lie. And i told you to stop lying and you continue to do it. This is not about airing your grievances. Mr trump. you can't make you a star gatien's and then dropping it there. This is terrible. What you're doing to this committee and all the great work that you talked to is what you have done to this community exactly right. These people lied for four years. What johnson's point here is is exactly what what you and i know that the democrats in this committee the democrats everywhere. Democrats the media line for four years about trump and russia and collusion. You know the drill. Then when the hunter biden laptop story appeared in the new york. Post these same people said. It's russian disinformation you had you. Had adam schiff saying you had john. Brennan sang at the former c. I. clapper all these people saying that the new york post story on hundred biden's laptop and all of this chicanery taking place. All this was. Another russian disinformation then after a few weeks go by hunter biden admits that he has engaged in this in these behaviors and his behavior is under investigation tax fraud and a number of things and ron. Johnson's is fit to be tied here because they lied about him. They've lied about trump. they've lied about everybody for the last four years. And claiming ron johnson by proposing that the new york post story on one hundred biden's laptop is serious. That'd be taken seriously be used. As they starting point for an investigation they tried to disqualify by saying. It's russian disinformation. Essentially saying that ron johnson's or russian stooge. When of course the truth is that it's the chai calms we need to be focusing on and not the russians. But this is this goto that the democrats have had an and johnson is rightly and properly fed up with this so he called them out on it. And you're heard peter's you can't use this committee hearing for these purposes or personal partner. You can't and johnson wasn't having any of it so i wanted to hear it because it's about time not gonna is not going to change much but it's it's still as an example of a republican fighting back to a certain extent know how far or how much how much going gonna matter but nevertheless to this hill story. No biden hasn't won yet. There is one more nightmare scenario. Let me let me run through this for you folks. Everybody thinks that with the supreme court's rejection of texas lawsuit that it's over right. Well maybe not. Trump has one more card to play depending on whether republicans in congress are more loyal to trump than they are to the country that you gotta read. This is the hill dot com. And of course it's going to have its sheriff's snark as they report the story so depending on whether republicans are more loyal to trump than they are to the countries they set up a false straw dog that if you support trump your automatically disloyal to the country i mean it's absurd but such is the hatred for this guy. The hatred for donald trump shows no signs of abating. i don't think trump could become invisible. Which isn't going to happen even if he became invisible even if he just vanished from the public scene their hatred for this guy will not go away it's going to continue to dominate them and govern much of their behavior. So here's the deal. After the electoral votes are cast. They have to be accepted by congress. The electoral votes were cast on december fourteenth by law. The house and the senate meet together on january six and if any states ballots are challenged by one member of the house and one member of the senate then the house and the senate must meet separately and vote on the challenge. Now one hundred. Twenty six members of congress signed onto the texas lawsuit to overturn joe. Biden's victory that many republican senators have not accepted biden. president elect some states are going to be challenged. And it's not a hundred twenty six senators. There's an error in the way this has written. Let me let me read this paragraph given one hundred twenty six members of congress signed onto the texas lawsuit to overturn biden's victory and that many not that many as an equally one twenty six and that a lot of republican senators have not accepted biden as the president elect. Some states are going to be challenged and this things get interesting. The controlling federal law the electoral count act. Ever heard of that. The ec- the electoral count. Act it's more than one hundred years old said to be very opaque it has never been fully used and the hill dot com. Says here it may not even be constitutional now. The congress over which the old vice president will be presiding will be the new ones sworn in january third. The new house narrowly democratic will vote down any challenge but the senate something very different could occur there because the republicans we we don't know yet but they're still going to control the senate on this date so let's play. Let us suppose that the balance in the senate is fifty two to forty eight republican however senators romney. Ben sasse susan. Collins and lisa murkowski have said that biden one so biden wins in a close vote right and even if the senate votes to uphold the challenges the ec has a tiebreaking provision any slate of electors that is certified by their state's governor will be accepted if the house and senate disagree so that scenario biden again would win thus the new york times assumes that republican challenges to the electoral votes would be futile. But what if the senate never finishes voting. The electoral count act limits. Each challenged no more than two hours of debate. Four states were questioned in the lawsuit. Georgia wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania. Their practices were questioned. That makes four challenges and eight hours of delay even in the senate. Eight hours of debate cannot last more than a couple of days right now. The law envisions the ability to challenge electoral votes collectively or individually. So ted cruz could come along and would challenge not every state but each electoral vote separately and as a delaying tactic. Why wouldn't the trumpers challenge every biden slate. A state even delaware. The goal here in this procedure is not actually to win. The goal is to delay to prevent the tiebreaking provisions of the sea from happening. Remember the presiding officer. Under the electoral counac would be mike. Pence expected to interpret the rules in a way highly favorable to the republicans. Look all of. This is a real long shot. But i'm just pointing out that. They're worried about the senate. Mcconnell is worried that somebody in the republican party is going to try the trigger this and hope for a long shot of upsetting the apple cart and preventing biden from being selected by electoral college pens. Could be expected to interpret the rules in a way highly favorable to republicans. He can help the gop delay. Any resolution until about january eighteenth. Now i know this is the this is confusing and it's it's largely confusing of there's a journalism is such woeful state right now. People writing about these things have a tough time explaining them but the electoral count act. Which i ex very very brilliantly described is what republican trump supporters in three states have elected alternative electors for. That's why this happened. That's why they elected and alternative slate of electors. Because of this the electoral count act. They were all thinking forward about how maybe they can put more maneuver into play now. Here comes the end game maneuver the constitution. Specifies that if there is no electoral college winner the senate chooses the vice president and the house would pick the president. All of this came up by the way in bush. V gore in two thousand. I don't expect a lot of people to remember it but it did. Because the constitution was the same then as it is now so under this in game maneuver the senate. Claiming there's no electoral college result would pick pence as the vice president. Overturning an election. Why not the raw ridden polarization in american politics shown that no precedent or law is safe. Ask merrick garland all these people at the hill dot com or just fit to be tied. Now it it won't be a biden. Pence administration democrat majority in. The house cannot pick biden because when picking president the house votes by state delegation and republicans. Control morehouse delegations. This could result in trump being elected president if they pull this off because there are more republican state delegate. It's not a matter that the democrats control the house. It's the fact that there are. More republican state delegations. And that's how the vote is because it's all relative to the electoral college now. The hill dot com says here that the house democrats will never let this vote happen. If that's the case if everything else that i've described happens but that there is not a final vote it means we won't have a president if we don't have a president by noon on january twentieth the law of presidential succession comes into play. But who's next in line. Republicans will say that. The presidency is empty. But the senate ditch job and picked pence as vice president. The democrats will save. The whole process was illegal and unconstitutional. And that the next in line is therefore pelosi. This would be the stalemate of all stalemates and empty presidency at noon on january twentieth trump. Tweeting that it should remain his democrats saying pelosi your biden. Some republicans secretly hoping it's pants and if you're thinking that the supreme court would save biden think again it would probably rule the question to be a political one and therefore non judiciable meaning. They wouldn't have standing look at it anyway. There isn't a clear constitutional principle or law that the court could apply that takes us to the next story and the headline of. Which is they get the next page mcconnell urges. Gop senators not to object to electoral college vote because it said to be a guaranteed failure. Anyway this is going nowhere. There is no hope for this. Don't any of you guys know. Republicans don't fall for this. Don't try it. they're really worried about the scenario. Actually falling coming into play. Let me take a brief break because of the constraints of the programming format amount of time. And we'll be back in continued to second. Hi welcome back rush. Limbaugh the network where we have more fun than human being should be allowed to have. Now i'm gonna. I'm going to run through the scenario again. Because i realized that i read much of that verbatim as it was published by the hill dot com and some of it was disjointed. And i imagine a lot of you're confused especially because there is there's a counter theory to this and the counter theory is that that the scenario described by the hill dot com cannot happen and would not happen because january sex when congress meets to record the votes in the electoral college. Any state's electoral votes can be challenged. If one member of the house and one member of the senate object that happens in each chamber house and senate debate for two hours. Then hold a floor vote on whether to accept the electoral votes or not if the two chambers deadlock with the house voting yes the senate voting no then. This theory says that the results certified by the governor of that state. Whichever state we're talking about here would become the tiebreaker. Which according to the counter theory here means that there is no way to block biden's victory. That's that's an answer to the hill dot coms scenario where they spell out. How if things happen to force a vote in the house on who the president will be the number of delegations in the house since the house will vote by delegation. Not by straight membership number. the democrats. control the house. But they they do. Not have as many delegations as the republicans voting delegation of republicans would then control the house and vote there but this counters theory says that the tiebreaker would go to the governor. The results certified by the governor of the state who's electro vulture being challenged here so indication georgia which is one of the states that the electoral vote the slight with alternate slate was elected sense since camp has certified biden the winner. Then there's nothing anybody can do to stop it in this scenario. Why it's it's confusing and it is a real real real longshot. Let me still run through the scenario again and the competing scenarios which try to say that. This isn't mcconnell enthused begging republican senators not to do this and merry christmas happy holidays to one and all from all of us here at the excellence in broadcasting network now if you think that challenging the electoral college votes when they have to be formerly tallied by the congress. You'd think that's unprecedented. Let me remind you that eleven times. The democrats challenged two thousand sixteen electoral vote count. It was interrupted eleven times. You have forgotten. Hillary clinton was in there trying to maneuver the electoral college out of existence. They were trying to all kinds of things to invalidate the electoral college. Eleven times biden was interrupted during the electoral vote count. He was the sitting vice president at the time presided over the joint session of congress where members officially tallied electoral votes from the two thousand sixteen presidential election during the course of the certification which is what the vote is house. Democrats tried to object to electoral votes from many states biden. Gaveling them down for failure to follow the rules objections to the votes needed to be in writing signed by both a member of the house and a member of the senate every house member who rose object did so without a senators signature. They were just trying to flunk the entire process jim. Mcgovern massachusetts rose to object to the certification from alabama. Jamie raskin of maryland rose to object to ten of florida's twenty nine electoral votes. No sooner had the florida question been settled and its neighbor to the north was the subject of another objection when washington representative pramila objected georgia's vote certificate went on and on eleven separate times. So don't think that if the republicans do this that it somehow unprecedented. Here's another thing. I i'm not sure this is exactly right but it's close there. I think it is the republicans control. Thirty six delegations in the house of representative and a democrats fourteen at something close to that and again it's an illustration of why. The electoral college is so brilliant because the california delegation is huge in terms of numbers of people and the new york delegation is huge in terms of the number of members but the number of members is not the factor. The number of allegations is the factor the house votes my delegation not by individual member in this scenario so the republicans vastly outnumber the democrats. In terms of numbers of delegations it would be a slam dunk. Vote if it got that far and remember the democrats objected early. They objected often to the electoral college. Vote in twenty sixty. I mean maxine waters and barbara lee objected. Eleven times claiming the election was stolen by the russians and these democrats are still out trying to make that claim. So let me. Let me run through this. This scenario one. More time. I get to the the basics of it here again by law. The house and senate will meet together on january six to officially record the electoral college vote. If any state's electoral college ballots are challenged by one member of the house. One member to send off. Somebody wants to challenge the george vote if somebody wants to challenge the pennsylvania boat all they gotta do is get one senator and one member of the house to record the objection the challenge if that happens everything stops and the house and senate then meet separately and vote on the challenge. Now one hundred. Twenty six members of congress signed onto the taxes lawsuit to overturn biden's victory and a lot of republican. Senators have not accepted biden as the president-elect so some states are going to be challenged so goes the theory that takes us to the electoral count. Act the way. It's more than one hundred years old. It's never been fully used. So let's get a scenario here. Let's suppose the balance fifty to forty eight republican but. Let's say that. Romney ben sasse susan collins. Lisa murkowski have said that biden one. So biden wins in a close vote and even if the senate votes to uphold the challenges the ec has a tiebreaking provisions and this would trigger if these four things have these four republican senators democrats that would trigger the tiebreaker provision any slate of electors that is certified by their state's governor will be accepted if the house and senate disagreed. That brings the the governor into play as a tiebreaker and under the one of these scenarios in opposition to this is. That is that governor. Can georgia could totally put the kabosh on this By by simply using the electoral count that he certified as the tiebreaker. But there are other states where this could work and could happen so the key is delayed. The key is to make sure that nothing final ever happens. So what happens if the senate never finishes voting. The electoral count act limits. Each challenge in the more than two hours of debate. Now four states were questioned in the lawsuit the texas. That's georgia wisconsin michigan. Pennsylvania that makes four challenges. Two hours of debate. Each equals eight hours of debate slash delay even in the senate. Eight hours of debate. Can't last more than a couple of days can can last as long as anybody wants it to now the law. Pardon the sniffles. Here folks though. The law envisions the ability to challenge electoral votes collectively or individually. You can have ten crews. Who would challenge not every state but each electoral votes separately as a delaying tactic. Why wouldn't trump supporters challenge every biden's state even delaware if the objective here is delay. See the goal here is not to win in this particular procedure. At this stage the goal is to delay to prevent the tiebreaking provision from the from happening again the tiebreaking provision is the governor and to re to repeat this if the house and senate deadlock with the house voting yes. The senate voting no on the certification of the electoral college votes from a particular state. Then the results certified by the governor of that state become the tiebreaker. That's what is hopefully prevented. Keep it from getting to that phase getting it to the governor in this case kampen and georgia providing the tiebreaker the presiding officer under the electoral count act as mike pence. And because he's vice president would be expected to interpret the rules in a way highly favorable to republicans. He can help the republican delay. Any resolution until january eighteenth. If he wants so now comes the end game maneuver. the constitution. specifies that if there is no electoral college winner which is which is the objective. Here then the senate chooses the vice president and the house picks the president the senate claiming there's no electoral college result because we haven't certified. We can't get them certified too much going on here. They would pick pence pencil. Be the vice president but the house would not vote for biden because democrats do not control. The number of delegations in the house the republicans do and the house vote would be by delegation not by republicans democrats total. There are in the house. The democrat majority in the house cannot pick biden because when picking a president according to these rules the house will vote by state delegation and the republicans. Control morehouse delegations. so who's next in line succession. Republicans would claim that the presidency is empty. But the senate did its job. And they picked pence the democrats say. The whole process was illegal and unconstitutional. The next in line would be pelosi. Stalemate an empty presidency at noon on january. Look this is a real long shot. But you're going to see a lot of talk about it. And i want you to try to have a base understanding of what this is as you hear it discussed Elsewhere cable news and wherever so empty presidency at noon on january twentieth trump tweeting left and right that it should remain his democrats pelosi r biden and some republicans secretly. Hoping it's pants. If you're thinking that the supreme court would save biden again it would probably rule the question to be a political one and not want any part of it and And not touch. Although that's a long shot too. I think i think the supreme court is so invested in democrats controlling things in an deep state being put back in power that the assumption that the supreme court would not want to touch. This is a long shot. At any rate. This is how you could end up with trump being re elected president by the house of representatives. That's why the story phoune warn senate. Gop please don't object to any of the electoral college results on january six. Don't do this. Why would they issue. This warning is it that they're afraid the party will look silly. How silly does a republican party already. Look they don't want any eight. Don't want any hiccups on the road to to biden being officially elected by the electoral college. And i just wanna against stress. It is a very very very long shot but it is is a possibility. And it's still out there as a possibility. And i just wanted you to be as up to speed understanding it as As you could we'll take a brief break. We'll come back and resume right after this half my brain tied behind my back just to make it. Fair fairness the essence of the eib network. You know vice. President biden tried to take trump out using logan act. That has not ever been done before. Nobody's ever prosecuted. Anybody under the logan act but biden came up with the idea. In that january five oval office meeting in two thousand seventeen with obama where they plotted the strategy to get the steele dossier in the news. The next day by having komi tell trump about it in a meeting at trump tower. It was biden. Who suggested that they try to take trump out disqualify him as president using logan act. So why should the republicans use some little or never used longshot. Law like the electoral count. Act to take down biden. Fair is fair is it not biden tried to take trump out using the logan act. It's never been used. It may not even be constitutional. So little tit for tat here. Yeah we'll take biden out. Using the electoral count act and maneuver things into a delay and delay and delay to finally were has to be a vote in the house by a delegation on. Who the president is i. I'm just asking. I'm not suggesting. I'm not don't know. And by the way there's some guy in texas it just passed a secession law. And he didn't call me about it. I didn't know anything about what what. I don't think what's a good idea. Oh well here's here's the thing the the There is a movement throughout the blogs is fear well now i can't say throughout the block. There was a movement in the mainstream republican party to shame. Republicans in senate from not doing this under the premise. That it's such a long shot. It can't happen there is no way. And the only reason you republicans do it would be to ingratiate yourself with the base and that is a mistake. Don't do it you. Republicans constantly shooting yourself in the foot. Meanwhile if you go back to twenty sixteen the democrats used this attempt eleven times. They interrupted the electoral college. Vote eat eleven times and they didn't pay a price in fact when the media was reporting on this they talked about. Wow what if the democrats pulled this off. They were all excited now. I know the same kind of coverage. You'll not happen if if the same thing happens on january six with the republicans. Invoking this procedure. But i'm just telling you there is an effort. And here's mcconnell warns senate republicans. Please don't object to any of the electoral college results. Another headline mcconnell urges republican senators not to object to electoral college vote. Why why why. Republicans are always coming up with this strategy. Let's not let's not upset the applecart. Let's show the left that we're responsible. Let's show the media that that we're we're we're okay that we're not frivolous. Let's let's demonstrate that we're not who they think it never works never works any grandma a call here before the hour ends as mac in las vegas. Glad you called. Welcome to the program mac. Hi thanks rush. Major mega did From a from rush baby. That's been listening since nineteen ninety waiting for freshman in high almost a lifer i all my appreciate that and You know we're praying for you and your family as well to my family is I got to I gotta say as much as i want. President trump to remain in office. I gotta go with senator mcconnell on this one and that's because there's already such a civic ignorance about the electoral college that if if this were to happen republicans were to do this. Then it would always it. Would it would create such confusion that there's such a. There's a movement to abolish the the electoral college right now and this we give the give them the fodder that they needed the rallying cry to say. Hey look how bad. The electoral college is the republicans used to steal the election. And it would be a very big push to To the electoral college when when we need it and i feel like it would be sacrificing the war to win a battle today. Okay well i I'll have to take your comments under advisement electoral college. Because i'm out of time to respond now. So i will reserve my response when i have more time on the electoral college. I think anything that edrich people on the brilliance of the electoral electoral certain the electoral college. Anything educates people on that as opposed to the electoral college and the electoral college. If educate people on that than i say why not break top of the hour back with more in okay. Let me officially answer our last caller in our first caller the day parade if this electoral count act is used to thwart biden's election by the electoral college. Our caller was afraid. That doing this would just facilitate the democrats desire to get rid of the electoral college. The democrats don't want to get rid of the electoral college now folks since day one since they think biden one. They don't want to get rid of it now. The idea that this might motivate them to get rid of it. I don't think so. I i really do fall down on it this way or come down on it this way. I'm all for educating people. I think there is such a lack of understanding about the electoral college. Anyway at anything that would further educate people on how it works and how brilliant it is. Did you realize having the house. In this scenario that utilizes the electoral count. Act look folks. it's a long shot. I don't wanna. I don't wanna create a false sensory. It's i- vast long shot. But that is also illustrative of the brilliance. The founding fathers in creating the electoral college. The electoral college was created to avoid the direct democracy of electing the president. Get rid of the popular vote because they knew that population centers would be vastly different in size and they had to find a way the equalised that it's as though they knew in advance that california and new york would be vastly more populated than many other states and if the election of the president was determined by the popular vote alone then heavily populated areas would determine who the president is so the way they were thinking why should two or three states determine the president every election. That's not fair so. He came up with the electoral college and they appointed a number of electors per state based on the size of that state's congressional delegation and that ended up eliminating the popular vote advantage of populous states. It was brilliant in its conception. As is the electoral count. Act having the in the case of the house electing the president and the senate electing the vice president the ca- in terms of the house. They determined that the vote would be by delegation which is a continuation of the same theory utilized in the creation of the electoral college. It eliminates the population centers from having an unfair outsized advantage so in the case of the house electing the president should that scenario ever happen. The vote in the house is by delegation not by individual members. Now democrats control the house and even after the new houses sworn in despite the republican gains they will still control the house but the vote would be by virtue of delegation the republicans. It's like have you seen them. The county map of the country after a presidential election ninety nine percent red ninety five percent red blue and new york got blue in california. They got blue along the border in texas. But the number of counties that are red dwarfs the number of counties learn blue but the populous counties that are blue outnumber in some scenarios the vast number of counties that are red and so the electoral college and the electoral count act both suffice to equalize they unfair disadvantage that populated highly populated areas. Have and anything that educates people. How this works is good in my book. So that's that. I think that the republicans who oppose this they just want to maintain their positions in the in the establishment. And they're probably going to end up prevailing but it. It is a long shot. I want to remind you though of another effort that was made to undermine the electoral college back in two thousand sixteen. Does the name lessig. Larry lessig ring a bell. Larry lessig as a harvard university constitutional law professor and he made a brief for the two thousand sixteen democrat presidential nomination he bombed obviously but back on december thirteenth two thousand sixteen four years ago. Larry lessig claimed that twenty republican members of the electoral college. We're considering voting against trump. Had that happened. That would put anti-trump activists more than halfway towards stalling trump's election. It's lying through his teeth. It wasn't the case. But he's out there saying it and the media is out there reporting it. Larry lessig even have a name for this group called electors trust and he was offering pro bono legal counsel to republican presidential electors considering ditching trump. He's been acting as a clearinghouse for electoral to privately communicate. their intentions. This guy was trying to sabotage the electoral college himself. That's why you remember the name mr snerdley. And he claimed that he had about by december thirteenth. He and found twenty trump electors. That we're gonna flip. But he provided no evidence to back up the claim. He said his group had heard from twenty republicans. Were open to breaking with trump. but if you recall when it came time to actually count the votes the electoral college. None of this happened. None of the democrats claims happened. The electoral college persevered it triumphed and it probably is going to be the same circumstances. Same thing this. This time. I just wanted to share with you. The scenario that that remains the one remaining scenario that could thwart the The election of plugs. And as i say folks tremendous long shot and the people that run the senate on the republican side. Want no part of it and because they want no part of it and since they run the senate they've got all kinds of options available to them to thwart an effort like this so just to keep a. sharp. I i wanted you to know what's going on so that when it's discussed it you'll have a baseline understanding. Let me get to the audio soundbites. I want to start here with number one. Npr has decided they need to listen to this program for signs. That trump is going to concede all things considered the co host. Is elsa chang and she's talking to their National political correspondent guy named don gonyea. He said what about conservative media outlets and we know that trump watches them very closely. What are they saying about the electoral college. Vote not surprisingly when you tune into newsmax or one america news. You don't hear proclamations that the election is over. You hear a lot about hunter biden but listen to this from limbaugh this afternoon. He doesn't say biden won outright. But give listen. Do you realize how much of cable news is going to have nothing to talk about that. Trump has gone or allegedly gone. Don't get madame ear folks. I'm just saying that without trump in the white house providing media fodder countless hours per day. They're not gonna know what to do. And of course it goes without saying if president trump had conceded. We will lead with that. He's tweeting today. False claims about election fraud still tweeting. False claims about election fraud and waiting for trump to concede trump. Hasn't he hasn't conceded because of this shot possibility in the house. There's no way. Trump's gonna concede remember the objective of this long shot possibilities to delay things up to january eighteenth. Here's little. Brian stelter c. n. n. reporting on conservative media claiming that i framed trump's supreme court loss as an elitist plot rush limbaugh framed that trump's supreme court loss as some sort of elitist plot. This is strictly about getting rid of donald trump. there isn't an entity in the american deep state washington establishment whatever that doesn't want to get rid of donald trump including enough justices on the supreme court. There is supply for these lies because there is demand for these lies demand. That is not going away. What lies was lies. Brian come on. Are you really this obtuse. I guess he may be. Do you really not understand. The hatred for trump at every level of the washington establishment from the judicial branch. The legislative branch to even in the executive branch trump was undermining by saboteurs throughout his four years. The idea that that Somehow a lie to say that there isn't an entity in the american deep state doesn't want rid of donald trump. That's not a lie whether there's demand or supply whatever it simply happens to be the case now. I said yesterday on this very program that joe biden serves at the pleasure of obama. Want you to listen to this. Next sound bite audio. Sound like this number. Four this jeff zeleny. He's at cnn situation room. And this is what he said about. Biden the president-elect. He's back on the campaign trail with his own. Victory affirmed by the electoral college. Now he's fighting for the senate. Give us the latest developed. President-elect joe joe biden rather did finish speaking here. Did you hear that faux pas. President elect joe obama confirming my assertion. That biden serves at the pleasure of obama. Make no mistake. And that's not a lie based on supply or demand. It's not a lie in any shape. Matter or form biden knows it too by the way he knows he's serving at the pleasure. A barack obama obama's the guy that made All of this happened look Let me think a brief timeout here. We'll come back. i'm gonna get back to the phones. I promise people will spend more time on the phones than than than usual. And i want to get started on that promise. We'll be right back. Stay with the high power. You welcome back. So the republicans. Want eric swale. Well thrown off of the house intelligence committee because he's been having an affair with a chinese babe bang bang and he. I call her bang bang. I'm just convey what's been going on there between swale well and the and the tricalm spy. She'd fang fang fang. Whatever bang bang. As far as. I'm concerned while while been doing a nasty would bang bang and the republicans wanting thrown off the committee. He's been compromised by a spy and the democrats going bonkers saying this is not right. It's not fair. He can see a chinese spike and bang chinese spy and still do his job in the committee. I have a tweet here by a young conservative woman named caitlin bennett. You know this programs inspired a lot a young conservatives over the years and this may be one of them. Listen to this tweet. this is so hot. If you're a democrat you can get away with anything you want. You can sleep with a chinese spy. You can masturbate in front of coworkers. That's jeffrey toobin. You can cheat an election. you can get millions of dollars from ukraine. that's hundred biden. You can burn cities portland and seattle and you do all that without consequence but if you're conservative you can't even smile at a native american that would-be nick. Sandman is that not a great tweet fabulous fabulous tweet by the way. Speaking of tuban the left is trying to save his gig. They got what's her face. What's her face Tina brown out there trying to say hey. You know what he didn't mean to do it he didn't. He didn't mean to masturbate. Well no he didn't mean to do it in front of people. All it was an accident to camera was on pointed at the pubic area. Yeah essentially was an actually. Didn't know he was doing it. He's there's no reason why. Public masturbation should destroy a thirty year career at a great liberal publication. Like the new york and they're trying to get the guy reinstated. Okay the phones. My adopted hometown sacramento california. This is robbie. Welcome sir. Great to have you here. Hello hi rush limbaugh. Yesterday you had a caller who was asking who the next leader of the republican party should be as if donald trump has faded into oblivion and There was talk about winning more republican seats in the future. What are we gonna play some gigantic game of house if we step past has just happened in this presidential election as if nothing happened if we do not deal with it. We have stepped from what was america into tyranny what will be left other than one gigantic. Pretend game of politics. I don't disagree with that. I'm i'm i'm trying to think back. I asked who would be the republican leader in the the future. I asked that question. I asked love who well caller yesterday was was asking. It was posing that question. There was some discussion on it. And you know and there's been some talk about twenty twenty two twenty twenty four but what's the point of what's the point of discussing any future election if we don't feel what has with what's just happened. Oh well i look. You're preaching to the choir on that. My point about this from the very beginning has been the integrity of the constitution the integrity our electoral system and the democrats are the ones that have blonde it up And if if if this is not resolved and it doesn't look like it's gonna be then. How can we assume at any election down. The road is legit and fair. I'm we're on the same page here but that's still doesn't mean it doesn't matter who's going to be the leader of political movement. You still going to have to have that. I know. I guess. I'm just wondering what's the point. It's it looks to me like if we don't deal with what has just happened. We're just going to be playing one gigantic. A game of pretend pretending our votes means something pretending that we can influence. What's going to happen so what should happen. I mean there have been serious efforts. A lot of people have worked very hard to try to expose this and to fix it. And they've bombed out. what what what. What do you think should be the next step the next phase. Well i think mark stein your guest host with saying on monday. This is the hill. Diane and And i think we have to stand up against tyranny or we're going to be living with it. We're living in with it right now until this is dealt with and we will be living with it continuously until this is dealt with so i i don't i don't have the answers other than to just encourage all of the listeners. We have got to stand up against tyranny. It's is our generation. this is our moment. i don't disagree with that. And i think you'll have seventy four million people that did they voted for trump. they were cheated. They were defrauded. There's no question that that Something really out of whack happened in this election and you know asking them to do more. That's a hill to die on. I understand understand sentiment. But where's the hill and let's define dying. Maybe maybe more callers can weigh in on this point. I do wanna take issue with the seventy four million figure. I keep hearing the seventy million figure the seventy four million take. I think we need to add plus on the end. Because i just have great doubts that that is accurate and that that is high enough. I've heard some people think that my trump said eighty. I'm not. i'm not sure. I've heard that that number about yeah look i. I totally understand the sentiment that you have i. I understand the frustration that you have and to say. This is a hill to die on that if we accept this meaning if we accept biden's president than we've cooked our own goose and we are just living pretend world to use your term where our votes supposedly matter. But they actually don't because we will have been hoodwinked and cheated and so forth and so on short of something that prevents biden being elected. Going for an idol. Gotta take a break back. Hey robby in sacramento. I know you're still out there. I'm gonna tell you what's up here. I have short just after we ended our call. I became made aware of a sound bite from josh hawley. Great senator from missouri who is participating in this hearing today on election frog senate homeland security committee. He said. And i'm i'm i'm i sent this up for the The audio it'll it'll be a wild but we'll get it. He said seventy four million americans. There's the number you you wish. He would say. Seventy four million plus a regardless he said seventy four million americans are not gonna shut up. It is not a recipe for success in this country nor for unity. So you've got josh hawley on your side. You have me on your side. You have a whole lot of people on your side and holy saying the people that voted for trump and most likely elected him are not going to shut up now. This means whatever you want to interpret it to mean a biden. Let's say biden is officially named president by virtue electoral college. His long shot effort bombs. All these point is that we're not going to shut up about this and we're going to continue to prosecute this. We're going to continue to investigate this and we're going to find ways to illustrate that this election was fraudulent. That's one of the things you want to shut this down folks. Do you want to really simply shut this down. I told you how to do it last week. And i'm not the only one by any stretch imagination if you wanna shut this garbage down. It's time for voter. Id it's time for photo. Id for everybody that votes and it's time to get rid of mail in ballots. You do those two things and the only reason. We've got massive mail in ballots. His covid kobe. Nineteen it's being exploited and used for the express purpose of electing democrats. But if you come up we succeeded if we went on a tear and we just made it abundantly clear that we're not stopping until we get photo voter. Id we have to have a photo. Id for everything else we do in this country. The reason we don't have it for elections is because democrats have convinced a bunch of old african americans. It's a government plot to find out who they are to kick them out of their houses or to send them back to wherever they've got them scared to death but until we get to photo. Id voter id. we're not gonna. We're not gonna make serious inroads into cleaning up these elections right now. The the absence of voter voter. Id photo voter. Id is just a recipe. It is a recipe for fraud waving the happen. It's how people can vote multiple times. It's how the dead khun vote and it auto. It ought to wake everybody up at the democrat party. The democrat party is who opposes this why they the post voter. Id so don't wait to get on an airplane. They don't oppose it buy food. They don't oppose it to do it alone for anything except voting. And let's try this headline trump to mitch mcconnell. Hey too soon to give up on election fight so it looks to me. Like trump appears to be pursuing. This long shot strategically that. I described in the first hour. Looks like trump is all in trump. Today told mitch mcconnell that it's too early to stop fighting to overturn the election. After mcconnell congratulated biden following the electoral college. Vote trump. said mitch. Seventy five million votes a record for a sitting president by a lot. It's too soon to give up. The republican party must finally learn to fight. People are angry and boy are they. Robby in sacramento was great. Stand in for the millions of you out there who are fit to be tied over this. I know you're there. I know you're live. I know you're outraged by it. I know you're fed up with a republican just wanting this to end because they want the confrontation the and they just want to move on. It's it's it's just it's it's just easier. It's just easier for there to be no controversy in this stuff and it's just easier to have a guy like biden president. He's an establishment guy or. Get back to normal here. But trump thinks he's been cheated. He thinks he's been wronged. He wants to get to the bottom of it. There's still one long shot to be played and it sounds like he is in favor. Here is franken. Los gatos california. Welcome sir great to have you here. Thanks for taking my call. Yeah i'm one of seventy four million plus that's fit to be tied. I'm calling about the The last caller last night he was really agitated really frustrated and he was passionate to. And i know mr snerdley reminded me that he thought it was dumping on you a little bit. But he's he's speaking for millions of us worse. I'm so tired of the. Gop day are the most worthless party probably in history. And let me. I know who you're talking about this. Do you realize how easy it is for somebody anonymous to sit out there. This guy was accusing me. Not just elected republicans. He was dumping all over everybody. He was accusing me. And everybody else in conservative media of being fooled and taken advantage of kratz. He said do. How easy is it to say. That burning down portland is just a diversion. You fell for and burning down seattle. Just a diversion you fell for. You should have seen what was going on. You should've seen. What were you doing appearing on the breakfast club you got you got you got hoodwink. You got fooled. They took advantage of. It's easy to say that the democrats are brilliant that they're constantly running these these games where they're making fools out of us but that's not what this was and this guy. I understand how easy it is to be mad at the republicans for seemingly never fighting but this was the republican party that was led by donald trump. You gotta you gotta throw him in this month's to if you want to say that those of us in conservative media got hoodwinked remade fools of you. Gotta throw trump in there too. Because trump was the leader of this movement doing everything he could to triumph and win and it. That's the guy in his comment. Just those the only things. He said that that offended me. Bother me he can say what he wants. about how brilliant. The democrats aren't how stupid we all aren't being hoodwinked but that's so easy. That is so easy to say without any kind of backup. The democrats are not that brilliant. They're not that much smarter than we are. And the chocolate and the truck everything up to that. The us being fools is just a little much for me to take. I just didn't have time to react to the guy 'cause he was the last caller as you said. If the gop though had rallied around trump the last four years and gave him even half well. Okay fine don't throw me in that much. I rallied around trump. i was. I've got ross. I'm not. I'm not throwing you in that bunch. I'm not that guy. Did not. But i'm not i'm not but i'm just trying to make a point about the gop gop. If they gave trump to house to support barack obama got from the democrats. We wouldn't be in trouble and amen amen. Yeah let me let me paint this picture about how i feel about the gop. You have a husband and wife and a daughter. The husband rapes the daughter every other night and the wife knows and does nothing about it and the. Why is republican party. That's how i feel about. The republican holy smokes. Now we're throwing rape into the mix. Well hard they don't do anything they sit on their hands and don't do anything it's like. They just watch and the democrats are evil. They're horrible and they get away with it. And why wouldn't they try to steal the election. who's going to stand up to him except trump. he's the only guy to seventy four million of us. We don't count. Yeah seventy four million putts you gotta say plus went plus gotta say plus plus say seventy four million plus seventy four million right now now. You're now you're good now. Look i happen to be the guy that told you people. How trump was undermined in the first six months of his administration. Trump assumed that the republican party would unify behind him. Because that's just what happens. Presidents elected people in the party unite. But they didn't in the house of representatives the first six months of trump's term the majority of republicans in the house believed this silly s that trump had colluded with the russians and they thought trump was toast. They trump wasn't gonna survive as present. They thought he was going to be dispatched somehow. So they didn't join him in the repeal of obamacare and the rewriting of the american healthcare system because they thought he wasn't going to be around. It was maybe six seven months into his first term before they finally figured out that the russian thing was a hoax. You wanna talk about frustrating that was. I can't tell you how frustrating that was to me. I can't disagree with your your assessment. Here of the republican party look at the republican establishment is as much a part of the washington establishment as a democrat. Establishment is never trumpers the right. Throw them throw the ball in the. It's a massive and powerful group of people that have been around since the post world war two year and maybe even prior to that but post world war two is when all of this establishment stuff began and the effort to move towards globalism with the united states in a prominent role began. And then as as time passed the prominence of the united states in globalism began to deteriorate as the globalist realized that if they were ever going to realize their globalist dream the united states was going to have to be de emphasized. It was going to have to be rendered something other than a superpower even though it would maintain a superpower military. They had to do something to take away from the resolve of the united states to act as a super power to act as amara leader and they succeeded and that's eventually what led us trump make america great again. These people beginning in the post world war two era mccain referred to it by the way during the trump campaign. He didn't understand why we were trying to undo the new world order that we ran through war to the fact that we were running. It meant that we had americans who were doing their best to de emphasize the power of the united states in this arrangement that that went on for decades to eventually leading trump make america great again put america first again and you saw how controversial that was and they never stopped opposing trump. They never stopped. Being deathly afraid of trump. They never stopped doing anything. They could undermine trump and his effort to make america great again and to establish the premise of america. First because these people do not think the united states is the good guys. They don't look at the united states having any moral superiority over other nations for political reasons. I gotta take a break. I'm late way long. We'll be back in. Continue after this. Don't go away Righty we are back rush limbaugh. Eib network and day. Two of the republican suck here. Is tom in dexter michigan. Great to have you sir how you doing. Merry christmas and a seventy four million plus does thank you very much well like many my day job died from cove it awhile back and this past saturday. I feel out my last Chip for unemployment. And i'm wondering is the obama era calculation. I thing he put into effect in his first term. Still in there that if you aren't receiving unemployment you don't count in the universe of jobs anymore. In order to keep. That is a good question. And i don't know i i don't know if the obama method of counting unemployment survived or not. I tucker alluded to it the other night which got me thinking about it. I think what you might know about this thing. But are we going to suddenly see unemployment dropped zero. At the end of december or january one whoever gets inaugurated gets inaugurated suddenly unemployment's zero. No that's not real you don't you don't expect unemployment to get down zero do you. Well i can get below three. If i mean there's a lot of people are unemployed. Got unemployed early on alder benefits when outside means for that one but you six nine or the one calculation. I don't count anymore. Three that they they still exist. And they they they existed prior to obama right but when obama the calculation the to split they. They didn't right track in parallel with each other. They count things slightly differently. But i know there was a point where one was diverging much more differently than the other one truck they kinda got back in line because so many people got jobs again in this all. The numbers really did track. But now i think we're going to see a split again where one of them's track in reality and one of them's checking this fantasy number. If the old calculations that affected people who aren't receiving unemployment benefits don't count as unemployed anymore the weeds but well. I don't know that that was specific to obama. Either my my memory. Is that once your unemployment benefits expired. And if you were not seeing as seeking employment then you weren't counted as being unemployed. I don't think that's an obama era. I think that's always been the case now. I would have to double check. Of course there may be seventy four plus million would disagree with me on it. But i'm i'm going to have to. I'm gonna handle jigger. The number in order to get his number below eight percent because president get reelected during employment numbers about eight so he did something that caused him to drop. I just don't remember the specifics. I'm going to have to going to have to check anyway. I appreciate the call. Tom a very much. I think. Unemployment which the unemployment figure that's reported is the youth three and it's not the most accurate calculation you six is actually the most accurate calculation but the youth three is. What's reported a letter. You three and it still only counts people who are still looking for work theoretically and that's that's based on projections as well. The whole point. Bureau of labor statistics in these numbers are largely projections anyway based on various computer models of the past. Because there's no way they can interview. Everybody didn't have a job. They have to come up with these projections based on past behavior. Go fastest three hours in media. And it's done rush limbaugh program on the eib network great great great to have you with us and gentlemen as it is each and every day. We'll see you next time. Thanks so much as always for being gonna to come into a new season of joy and fulfillment like you've never seen hi. I'm joan los team. I have a daily podcast. Rod talk about overcoming obstacles accomplishing dreams and becoming. All you were created to be. You may have had some disappointments in the past but this is a new day. 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Episode 243: Veep, Veep?

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Episode 243: Veep, Veep?

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This reminds me a little bit of Sarah Palin when de Marrone Katie couric was doing these these Sarah Palin and they aired one like every night felt like for five days running and every single one was terrible like when this one is this GonNa end I, saw the the latest Swan interview pop up on twitter didn't do that didn't have a train wreck of a swan interview, but there's a new one. For some reason where the president was absurdly litigating of the coronavirus numbers among other things what you make. A tip. Typically, bad for the president arguably worse and maybe the more excruciatingly frustrating performances he's turned him. In part because Some of them were utterly ridiculous softballs that any politician could have gotten. You know John. Lewis. Is Lying date anything you'd like to say about. And you know nine, hundred, ninety, nine, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine out of a million politicians would say I'm so sorry to hear about the passing of John Lewis. During the civil rights era and he will never be forgotten the bit typical boilerplate even if he didn't agree with them, we're just George W Bush this very moving eulogy it and Louis refused to attend job George W Bush's inaugurations Lewis refused to attend trump's action that appears to be the only thing that Donald Trump remembers about John Lewis finally on the third time after John John Swan kept saying well, how about his life story? Is there anything you'd like to say about that? Trump gradually made this very he had a lot of heart for the civil rights movement or civilians. It was the most it was like pulling teeth rattle that that was really infuriating. But it turns to the corona virus. In. Cases. There's been this believing that you already have the president's personal reality distortion field work doesn't like to get He doesn't like to hear bad news. He tends to shoot the Messenger. He tends to be in denial etcetera etcetera. But now I think fair to wonder whether the people around him have just gotten into the habit of just telling him bad news when it happens yes you can point out the United States has a good rate. When it comes to you get the coronavirus in the United States. You have a very good survival rate. We have very good doctors get very bitter treatment programs. We have Bergen offals your chances are pretty good. As, sheer percentage of the population, we don't have very good numbers. In fact, we're ranked tenth, and if you look at world dominators, you know some countries that have very very tiny populations where they had an outbreak are ahead of us in this kind of a reflection of you know if you've got a tiny population, one mundane outbreak is GonNa have a larger percentage of your total. Than was. So if you see N. Dora and San Marino near the top okay. It's not necessarily those countries are being hardest hit. It means get very tiny populations Swan tries to lay this out and trump left stammering you can't do that and eventually he's showing these charts that are very basic very straightforward and swan is left you know frowning and grumble and and of just befuddled. But if I look, I laid out the corner of the other debt, you can make arguments why the United States has been hit very hard by this. Obviously you know we've talked great deal about decisions of governor. Cuomo up in New York Phil Murphy a New Jersey de Blasios. There's plenty of blame to go around. Hanging point out the United States has never didn't really have an experience with SARS the first time around. We have a population that is not used to wearing masks whereas all over Asia a whole bunch of countries are, and also it's kind of fair to wonder look. You can quibble about the United States total numbers for deaths, cases, infection rates, etcetera. You can argue here and there this might be over counted this. Mike. But these are generally we're in the ballpark on this. Nobody isn't a good. Reasonably the numbers come out of China nobody has any reason to think Russia is is measuring inaccurately. Indonesia. You'll get the world's most highly populated countries. Most of them are either Third World or authoritarian or both. So there's really good reason to think we don't really know how bad those countries are getting hit. There is anecdotal evidence those countries are getting hit very very badly. Tranquil laid out any of this stuff but you could just kind of telling went into this kind of knee jerk reflexive denial. Your. You Know Eddie was a deeply frustrating point because communicating is part of the job of the presidency. And the only the only credit to trump for doing is that he did do the interview with Jonathan. Swan did go great. He did do the interview with Chris Wallace. Didn't go great. Joe Biden is not really doing these sorts of interviews. In fact, needed a fairly mundane interview somebody from CBS News this morning, and that went almost as badly as trump's did with Jonathan Swan. Charlie the the trump interview is another one of those moments you've talked about this ally, where is Kinda imagine how you could be president and just do it so much better. It's not that hard you know. Talking about the coronavirus viruses. No doubt. You know this second outbreak the White House didn't expect trump didn't expect it He's talking about embers. That's what he said. You know thing we're going to have after the first bike, but you just say you know how hard it say look where big diverse country this is a tough virus to eradicate it. It's sad in places that. Aren't hit hard The first time around death numbers don't look as bad as they were in the northeast. We're really grateful for that, but it's You know every death is tragedy and I feel for for every single family. That's that's gone through this. It's it's like it's so easy but he just he can't do it because he has this impenetrable. A self regard and. defensiveness that makes it impossible for him to say obvious things. I think the. Big. Problem is the self regard. We've we've all been in situations in which it is important that we convey something. That either is not going to be popular. All the will upset somebody. Or. In a circumstance. In which we will be on the defensive. Rises I imagine we. Think about this quite a lot. How do I say this without being willfully misrepresented? How do I say this without people who don't like me jumping all over it and pretending I'm taking a position the time? Not How do I simultaneously Tena? Sleek knowledge that my? Opponent's well, critics have a point. While contending that they are wrong. Or? reconnects July. My argument. Trump doesn't do it. There's nothing wrong with him being defensive. Important for politicians to be. Defensive and Republican politicians have more reason. To be defensive. Than Democratic politicians especially in interviews. On television, it's not a criticism of Jonathan Swan I like. But as a general rule. Republicans are given a harder time. And trump doesn't do it. He caught he calm get past. His self regard. And so he ends up. Looking extremely silly. Now part of the problem here is that he is extremely silly and we've talked before about twitter. Twitter, does not turn Donald Trump into a capricious fool. It shows us that he is one. That may have been more capricious fools in the world than we were aware of the full twitter. That probably were. But twitter is It's a mirror. It's a looking glass. It's not. It's not a distortion field. And what you saw on television was. The president of the United States. That's who he is. But as you say, it's just so it's so odd. Trump. Is Not entirely? Wrong when he says that right from the beginning, some people have been out to get him. He's not entirely wrong when he says that. There's a great deal of hyperbole around his presidency. He's not entirely wrong when he laments the mania and it was a mania that started, it seemed the second he won election. Especially on the question of Russia. But any. Normal. person. Anyone with US grasp of reality. And a desire? For self preservation and if not for self-preservation, desire for the preservation of the movement that he leads and that he at least pretends he believes is important. Anyone in that position would try to do better. Eight. The questions they would do the research they would try to work out. The criticisms would be coming their way. And there's just no. Sign. That that he does it. Either on television in public or or from. You here in private, he is prepared those papers ready. It's just. that. This is the method used throughout his career on any do a hostile interview about his business whatever in each of a piece of paper at them see there's there's this this other fact that you're not committed. Real That's not a real preparation. Is it I mean? Of course but this this is he he did he did think about it and his Trumpian way I suppose so but he didn't. Why did he didn't think about it hard enough or just dislike the he is just untethered from reality I mean I've. I've said over and over on this forecast I, think that most of the politicians in the United States are doing the best they can. I think the vast majority of the criticisms that have been leveled or unfair I apply that to. Cuomo dissenters and Gavin Newsom and Greg Abbott and Donald Trump. But when you make that case, you have to concede reality. There are a lot of dead bodies. It is the case that we are at the moment worse soften Britain France Oh. Germany. And any thoughtful? Effective responsible. Argument. Would would acknowledge that and. Then present the counter argument now I mean I'm presenting this argument because I believe it trump doesn't even to have to believe it he he's sort of duty bound to say no no, no, he's. He's the best case for me Donald Trump. And he didn't bother I mean yeah. He thought I need to. Print out some pieces of paper but he didn't think to do it properly, and that is said real abdication of responsibility to everyone. You want a proper preparation now. Charlie. This house higher. Standard Gotten I. Think it Jim. It's really just the viruses exposed how? Trump's method which has worked for him. You know in politics to to this point in his business and entertainment. Career of you know coming up with nicknames to belittle someone or something at is his own reality that just Kinda Ben's everyone to to having to acknowledge you know it gets on the Forbes list by Hook or Crook, and you know he he's a billionaire now and A billionaire why should have a TV show about being a billionaire and while he knows about being a billionaire because TV show about being a billionaire and he created at least for his own purposes kind of virtuous cycle, which you just can't do with a lot of other things but especially with virus. Yeah I mean look. Look at you know typical presidency. The vast majority of the problems you're dealing with are those of human beings Even economics which might feel like it's you know these these large impersonal forces but president talks about how terrific the economy is. There's always the possibility that people will believe the economy is terrific and they will start to spend money because they believe the economy is terrific because they believe that their. Economic prospects are better jobs or become a long day stock market's doing better, etc. it can kind of create turn into the self fulfilling prophecy. The vast majority of politics in the modern era are for four partisan combat. You know our ideas of the right ones, their ideas, the rug ones pass our plan not there. But occasionally you come into something. Like a hurricane. Hurricane does not care the current. He does not care whether you know whether you insulted or whether you're braver whether you're cowardly hurricanes going to do whatever it wants to do. The virus is GonNa do whatever the hell it wants to do. You can't bully this virus you can't bluster this virus. You try to spin it and I think we've seen you know not just here but all around the world and certainly seen the Andrew Colo's of the world all try to spin how they've done. But in the end the people either catch the virus or they don't, and the people survive the virus or they don't at some point, you can't spend that and this is the circumstance that trump is any guide him for three and a half years early three years in change he looked like he was doing. Okay. Look at the economy was going to roar and he was going to be on a glide path to reelection even with all of his other personality issues even call other problems he was gonna they look Hey America we did make America great again things are better than they were years ago. Let's stay the course. Now again, say that the economy is headed you know four billion jobs coming back in a month is great but we had a bigger lost the Monday of the month before they say the economy is roaring and we're we're climbing back This virus is still there and I think what's deeply frustrated. You see floating around saying, well, we need another two weeks shutdown sweeping shutdown. Look people aren't GonNa do it people just aren't going do it? They just don't believe it. They've seen the protests all summer long they know that this is the restrictions on gatherings are being applied in a inconsistent and Ludicrous format. Clarification of earlier, one in Arlington if more than three people go out, they will be fined one hundred dollars each not merely a hundred dollars as a group and yet there are various other parts of the country where they're holding rapes they a big party on one of the bridges in Brooklyn. The Brooklyn Bridge last weekend police did nothing. People recognize that there is this ludicrously wiped parody and how people are treated They're not going to go for it anymore and without things like that, we are basically trying to you know social distance and mask and get along until the vaccine comes along probably not come until Maybe if we're lucky December probably more likely January, I know warp speed wants to get the which is the White House project wants to get it here as fast as humanly possible and you can tell this president desperately wants to be arriving before Election Day. I. Don't be the kind of the October surprise I. Don't know if that's going to happen and short ad it's up to see a scenario where this. country's in a good mood come election day or more accurately say election month. To Charlie Jim. At the outset mission this Biden interview with also didn't go great and it's just A. Credible, we are having a presidential election with a a debate about dementia tests and not even like a a highfalutin sophisticated debate about dementia test like a really idiotic debate about dementia tests among the two candidates between the two candidates among their supporters. This is the strangest election I can. Remember some of these. Obvious. Corona. Pandemic has cancelled all of the waypoints. have. No Real Conventions Voting is going to be performed by mail in Rallies. TV appearances to a minimum thankfully. But also because the two candidates. Incompetent And We probably investing more. In them. Then has been the case for a long time. Have Been Points in American history where most people didn't especially mind who want maybe there was a preference. But one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty. Kennedy or Nixon? I doubt many people woke up the next morning started crying. Engaged in a primal scream in the quadrangle at Yale. One thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, six. Two thousand. have been a number of these elections where people don't mind. Where both the candidates were good. And now we have one where the right things. It's another flight ninety three election. If the Democrats get in the end of America, all of our founding of torn down. Whenever recover we'll get socialism. And the left thinks that if Donald Trump wins we're going to. Become, a fascist nation. Supreme. Court will be lost forever. Roby overturned miracle be unrecognizable. And that is leading many conservatives to say. All I want. This year is for Donald Trump to be president. Again. And many Democrats progressives to say. All I want is for Joe Biden to be president. And I know this in the abstract because I follow politics and then you watch on TV and you think really. Am aware that this is a divided nation I'm accuweather. People fill very strongly about policy issues because I do myself. and. So when I see people saying newspapers. On on twitter it's amazing. Donald. Trump has a forty three percent approval rating. It should be zero or I see conservative saying it's amazing that Joe Biden's winning forty nine percent of the vote should be zero I. think that's silly of course, because we're going to have to tendencies in American politics that going to be channeled through the parties, those parties are going to have lead but. I also do understand it. I mean Joe Biden. He He. Really. Kennel. Communicate. He can't he can't speak he can't argue. Trump is slightly different. He has his own. Flaws, but it's more consciously bizarre. I think Biden. Is Trying. And he just can't do and I am I'm really as a political observer. I'm really sympathetic to politicians in most circumstances because they work all day the campaign. For sixteen seventeen, eighteen hours straight moved from city to city and state to state so quickly. A, going to make mistakes are going to forget where they are. They going to stumble over their words. Going to forget minor details or mix up facts. That farrar over the fifty seven states thing was ridiculous. But really I've seen enough of Biden now. I if the problem with trump is that he's checklists in Oregon and narcissistic doesn't prepare the problem with Biden. Is. He doesn't know what he's. Standing for and he doesn't really know who he is. And so you have this fossils spectacle of. People, betting all their political chips stacking them up high like in a casino movie. On these two. doddering old UNIMPRESSIVE has been. Kim Gary Exit Question to you if Donald Trump. Pursued, his own basement strategy. And was little in evidence and just popped up to the occasional. Friendly. Interview, he would be winning this presidential race yes or no? I'm going to go with yes and if it's not, yes, it'd be a heck of a lot closer as Charlie was talking. I was reminded of this old quote from parcells NFL coach. We're used to say there are certain games you get into two evenly matched teams in the last team to make a mistake is going to lose the game. The the the the level of competition between the two teams was so close that it was going to come down to one play late and you didn't want to be that team made the mistake so far both Donald Trump and Joe Biden are you know pretty equivalent in terms of their inability to get interview without creating some giant Cocker Percy? What trump has done though is it trump's out there every day and Biden almost seems to get anybody's attention unless he's saying something like black or Chuck. So you're saying is that both Donald Trump and Joe Biden of the New York jets. Patriots Cowboy. It's We probably, always bedroom hi, I'm just getting out of my system now because this happens, it's going to be a terrible season for the jugular and I expect to be on the end of oil for weeks on. Gardner meant you is starting out right Oh, yeah. That's that's that's not why they're in trouble there. Of course, as I've written, Gardner mentioned will convince you. But. Would trump be winning well, I think I. Think if the. Corona virus pandemic hadn't come along. Yes. And throughout his presidency, he'd have been ten points more popular hidden basement. I think I think he con-, do that while. Tens of thousands of people are dying. Every month. So He. He's in a slightly different position than Biden Biden can be more passive. Would he had he hidden in his basement for most of his pre corona vars presidency have been in a stronger position once it hit. Yeah. Yeah, he would. Yeah I don't think it'd be winning You, know he's president during A. Crisis and he can't just high although this is a great example for for trump but Jimmy Carter actually did hide out for a while. When he was, he was really going down the tubes. There's just kind of mystery of where where he was why people weren't seeing him. So their limits, the president, how much president can go away and campaign from a basement. But obviously, if if on her less from trump, it would serve his interest. I should note by the way hopefully Sarah should he can remove most of the. Ambient noise just should explain that I. I'm in the Northeast we got hit by storms Internet was. Power and Internet. Out in my. Little town so. Longtime listeners might remember the rest Stop Charlie episode. It's almost that bad here I'm parked behind a strip mall where I could get service and I'm near a trash bin and. People. Have Been Chuck and things in there. So if you hear some scraping in banging, that's why that's that you put between the woods strip and mole had my heart going for a second. You're going to say Strip club and I never wanted to hear the rest stop Charlie thing again. This is the the glamorous life you leaders podcast host. Parked in a car behind a strip mall. All right. 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Convention to speak of a Democratic convention to speak of either Joe Biden we just heard today recording on Wednesday is not even GonNa Travel To Milwaukee or conventional supposed to be held. All of the way points as I said Gone. And there to of the, we just going to find ourselves the election, but there will be some. Politicking. It seems there will be debates. And? There will be an enormous number of television, ads. In a sense, the candidates are going to Juke it out in. A prerecorded fashion. I'm when those debates happen. And Television at Star I expect the race to tighten a bit. In fact, I expect there to be some talk of a narrow trump victory and I could even see that happening depending on the economy and. The, coronavirus numbers. because. Americans will remember. That old though. The two candidates. Fairly useless. We are talking here about more than just a figurehead. And more than just the. Person in charge of the executive branch important as that is. We're talking about policy and we're talking about the future of the country we're talking about. which bills will be signed and which will be vetoed, which judges will be picked, which executive orders will be. Chosen which congressional initiatives will be. Encouraged. and which will be. Strangled. So they won't be a convention bump most likely. But they're all going to be some bumps and dips. Nevertheless. Because Biden still has to choose his running mate, which will talk about in a bit. I'm sure. Trump. Unprepared and feckless he might be. Wants to win and he will. Roll out initiatives and endorsements and ideas. And promises. And we will. Have some sort. Of. Campaign season. The one thing that interests me is whether it is possible. To. Define Joe Biden in three months and perhaps. Whether it is possible to define Joe Biden a tool. and. One of the things the Obama campaign did back in two thousand twelve. So effectively, and in many ways dishonorably was to define Mitt Romney early. It. To great effect and it hobbled him for his entire. Run. Trump certainly has not done this to Biden Biden still seems to be an unknown quantity to most Americans and it raises the question of whether. Biden has a sudden teflon quality about him, and this is a guy who's been. In politics since the mid, seventies? He's a guy who was a stalwart in the senate. Who I ran for president in nineteen eighty eight. WHO WAS VICE PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS A fairly involved vice president fairly prominent vice president. Who is talked about in two thousand sixteen? Why I do not know who he is. Why does he not inspire strong opinions either way why can't Donald trump come up with a good nickname for him That that will be key. and. Whether events permit trump to run the sort of campaign that he wants to. will also be but yeah, there's GonNa be no focal points of the software accustomed to seeing where you see in the convention distillation of each candidate. Put on display for the public to judge. So Jim, we've talked at various times probably a podcast oh biden has to come out. Republicans say this this a lot when when they're positing how the right the race might change Biden eventually has to come out I. Think it's it's getting increasingly obvious. He's not going to have to come out and probably won't come out I mean he's not GonNa go campaigning There's no reason for him. You know he's ahead to step up his his interviews Kinda do anything different than he's doing now and a Charlie's point that trump has find a way to kind of fix them with a nickname or some some charge I think we're talking about this off offline pride of podcasts maybe last week I think he should go after Biden his week I mean going after senile. You're getting from that seems mean-spirited people are gonNA reach that conclusion not on their own weather say it. But finding this week, you can include you know some of the risks capacities under that rubric you can include importantly getting pushed to the last. Which is certainly happened and the the idea that he won't be fully in charge of his presidency or his party. If you win. So if are far trump by I'd start going after a week jail. Yeah before we go, any further I should credit at least the first person I saw making this point was our colleague, Ramesh Panera who observed, Hey, don't feel bad joe, Biden Democrats have a long and proud history of not going was Constan. I. Think we all knew the conventions were not going to be the way they normally were at the moment. It became clear this pandemic pretty serious. The Democrats had been planning I. Think they have a whole bunch of people almost like Like, Max headroom or something the idea all these screens of it like the NBA crowds. Behind their that yeah, they'd have lots of people appearing virtually and then you know basically having a Biden, give his speech to a crowd full of screens Arena full of screens and that's not going to happen. It's going to be in Delaware and I think this should be a big red flag. For people who want to see. Joe. Biden win because you have to figure the nominee of a party traveling from his home. To An arena or convention center in Milwaukee in circumstances entirely controlled by his team. That that should be pretty minimal risk of chronic ivars. It'd be wearing a Basque they can try to keep them six feet away. If they genuinely believe that Joe Biden going out making this trip would put him at. An unacceptable level of risk for the current ours. Where's he going to go? Will you ever go out and campaign anywhere in let's assume? Biden wins. How does he go about the duties of the presidency? Does he have an inauguration? Do they do it on? Like this little surprising that he's not gonNA leave. Delaware. This may very well be that Joe Biden doesn't go anywhere for the remainder of this campaign. I don't mean metaphorically eight you know literally. Stays in the state of Delaware. To be a really weird surreal and I think. Whatever else you think trump you know there around the same age trump has had other people have worked out other words about itself. Look you know can can Joe Biden be president in the era of the coronavirus? Give to keep them in a hermetically sealed environment of all time. It's going to be really kind of challenging to see this I. Feel a little sad about this news. It'd be basically we're not going to have conventions and you can argue as it was Jack Butler did in the corner of the other day that they've Kinda outlasted. There actually was talking about the presidential debates by the way I think now it's very like if Joe Biden's not going out for the convention I don't really see why he'd want to be in the same room as trump for the debates even tried to keep them six feet apart like they did in that last debate against Bernie Sanders This is very strange. It's been cleared. We weren't going to have a convention I'd been I think just about everyone's Republicans in Philadelphia in two thousand. For people were political junkies are terrific. You know it's like everybody in entire Party in the political world in one place yet you'll has got crazy protesters have a lot of cops, but it's Kinda like it's part of tradition. I think it's part of officially saying, okay the campaign is serious. The primaries are over let's begin. Each party gets you know three or four nights to say, Hey, this is who we are. This is what we stand for. Of course, it's always stage managed to to every detail, but that's the part of the part of the process and we're not going to get that this year and I don't know. If that will redound either party's advantage I do think it kind of. Trump loves the pageantry. He really wanted to have a convention. You want to go down to see Charlie Jacksonville obviously that could not come to pass i. don't I spit suspect if the Joe Biden's best chance of victory. Is for people to basically forget he exists beyond not trump. This is probably good for him The apparently trump wants to do his convention speech at the White House which in addition to causing people wonder about the appropriateness of that you know the president gives speeches, the White House, all the time I'm not really sure why that would be the. Location. They would choose for that. Events just aren't the same without crowds and we've probably already talked too much about baseball on this podcast but just watching baseball games, it's it's totally. Different and doing you know zoom meetings or We're doing at our events way everyone is virtually Almost impossible to tell a joke. If you if you can't see the reaction, feel the reaction of people and this is just another thing that's happened over the last six months that I think curse trump because if there's any politician in the last fifty years who's just fed off crowd, you know basically created by crowds and having a feel for what got the crowd going it's trump and that too has been taken away from him. So Charlie exit question to you how much will you miss? The conventions this year a lot some not at all. All I personally wouldn't miss them a tool but I. I regret the circumstances that led to the cancellation they've made the world narrow and peculiar. Almost at some, I realized why not everybody's into it I realize their Disneyland for Political Junkies and so I've always enjoyed task sally the good name of Disneyland with this. You see the thing Charlie at Disney's lost three billion dollars so far. Absolutely. The last thing they need is is Jim comparing them. Let's convention. So on this somewhere between a lot in psalm my enthusiasm for them falling off a little bit last time as first time I hadn't gone either. Conventions in twenty years or something or more, but they're they're great American events there as saying that their way to put your best foot forward make your argument as party, and that's really extremely important. Part of our our politics important things can happen at conventions to Jack, Butler's point and Jackson be delighted. Now, this three to Jack Butler references now three and five cast, but they're not saying, Steve Kornacki tweeted something the other day it was the anniversary of Reagan. Picking George. h.w Bush has his running mate. Rather. Than Gerald Ford which there's a lot of speculation about at the convention and you had a young reporter named Chris Wallace on the floor breaking the news that it wasn't going to be. 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What it's worth Axios says it is down to Susan Rice and Kamala Harris I'll just pause a moment for all of our listeners to grown in in in trepidation dread. it'll interesting because most people say you know the vice, the vice presidency isn't worth a bucket of warm spit at all that they downplay the importance of the choices and yet most years vice presidential choice doesn't have that much impact on the ultimate outcome of the race that haven't been said look this is unusual year Joe Biden as we've discussed is not the same guy that he was in two, thousand, twelve or two, thousand eight getting very long in the tooth, not looking all that. Sharpen. Let's face it. Most people think he won't be running for re election one way or another come to your twenty twenty four. So the question when you pay Joe, Biden's running mate. This is basically picking his most likely successor and someone who very well might end up having to take over God forbid, I hope John I hope Joe by one hundred but you look at the actuarial tables you look at the fact that we're dealing with a pandemic right now know you gotta recognize us. Well. Who Away this is sort of the Democrats having a second presidential primary except it's being done entirely behind the scenes and is complicated by the fact that Joe Biden has said I'm going to pick a woman, which is you know you can argue about the wisdom of that. I think that if you had somebody who you thought was super duper terrific. Let's say you thought Cory Booker was exactly the kind of guy you wanted to have as your running mate. I think you've really hammed yourself in by not allowing yourself the freedom to pick the person who you think is best. Right now it appears that Oh up obviously because of the events of the George Floyd protested Cetera, a great number of Democrats would love to see an African. American woman thought to be perfectly honest I. Think Most Democrats just one vote against Donald Trump I think they're going to be fine. You're not going to see anybody stay home because they didn't like the Vice Presidential Becker very very few people are going to do that I. Think Joe Biden really should be following that Richard Nixon advice pick the person to make the best president, pick the person who baked the best vice president, and thirdly pick the person who can help you win the race. You're up by a bunch if you if you couldn't pick person, you really wanted in a circumstance like this wind can you? But. That's where we are at this. And I it was interesting column by Josh Crash Our. Over at National Journal I believe their slogan is we've been mistaken for national review since nineteen, sixty, nine and. Is just like woody. He pointed out that Karen Bass was on the list. Karen Bass his head of the congressional black. Caucus. But I think safe to say not terribly well known outside of her home state of California. people will. Come from wave. demings. Party idea that basically any African American woman in in the Democratic Party with any degree of prestige at all. Basically had to get vetted. bottoms mayor in Atlanta was on the list and it's Kinda. You're you're down you're flailing now you're just kind of looking around for anybody. Yes. Maybe being dude doing due diligence you. WanNa make sure you're not overlooking some diamond in the rough but. Look, these are people who barely worked with. You know Joe Biden probably couldn't pick them out of out of a lineup and so the idea that. It just kind of seems like Joe, Biden must have ended this primary with some sense of who he wanted to pick and instead they're going for these relatively obscure figures and yet it's probably a circumstance. That's do no harm by the way. If you WANNA, do no harm than Karen Bass talking about how terrific Fidel Castro was. Paying tributes to the church scientology and all the other attributes to communist leaders probably, not GONNA do your. Arm there it's very strange I kind of think deep down this the get closer and closer to decision time I. Think the Biden campaign internally probably is very divided and is really sure who they think is the choice who can get them not just to November but probably help him be a very effective president wants if when he takes over in January. Charles. I think that Biden delayed it tells you a great deal of how he sees his rights. He reminds me the moment of. Myself, when I've tinkered with something to try to make it work. And succeeded, but I'm not quite sure why The most frustrating position to be in your trying to fix a TV and. Change something and it works but you don't know what it was. And so you don't want to touch it anymore. You. Don't want to do anything that might put you back to square one. Biden. Has. Thus. Far coasted along into pole position. By not being Bernie Sanders. And by NOT BEING DONALD TRUMP. And by not having had to. Do, any campaigning, a tool. And by not having had to answer questions. And by not having been president or vice president or a senator or anything. At all during a pandemic. And he must be worried. That he's going to remove a screw or change it diode and it's all going to wrong. There are two potential. Pitfalls here for him. The first is that he chooses somebody in the country has did not that person. Oh. That the choice galvanized Republicans. Ask someone like. Color Harris or Susan Rice could. Or? Invites widespread condemnation. Because he chooses somebody who is clearly unqualified. To fill his shoes. Seventy eight year old man shoes. The second reason we must be little worried is that. Most of the people he's Looking at who are not Carmela Harris may well have some skeletons in that closet it it. Wouldn't be. Tough to imagine. A scandal. At, which point the press, which is board. Would probably jump all over him. If I were Biden delaying. To. Determine whether for example, Karen Bassey's praised Castro and scientology's where it ends. So. He is winning without having done anything apparently unable to do anything much without endangering his health including visiting Wisconsin. Hiding in his basement. Hoping. that he doesn't screw it up. And he's right to. It really can only get worse for Joe Biden. I think. I. Don't see how it can get better. I think the racist destined to tighten. I think the mall the politics returns to the four. The better chance trump has. and. So. You, have this all stasis. That is that is just as obvious around the VP, pick a surround. Anything else. And it is exacerbated by his having deliberately and I think somewhat strangely narrow down. The potential. List of choices by the immutable characteristics of. Of the finalists? I WANNA. Be Joe Biden right now making this decision because I think it can really only hope. So, Jim Geraghty x the question. Gee, you assuming. The two finals really are Susan Rice. In Kamla Harris, which of them would best serve Joe Biden's political interests. On the campaign trail or as president. Winning in November. actually I think Susan Rice for Oliver flaws probably does less harm. I think they both galvanized conservatives I think at least Susan Rice you have the they've worked together they get along. Let's go with the Obama Restoration vibe. I think I think this come hires I keep saying is a perfect candidate on paper. Then you saw how she ran and it went so badly any she left a lot of Democrats, not liking her entrusting her you can put Chris Dodd on that list and I think that. Everyone would recognize. This was a his ticket was a metaphorical marriage of convenience that neither one particularly was fond warm towards the other. It would be a ominous signed for the prospects of a presidency. Try Cook. Rice your Harris better for Biden's purposes. I think rice is better she. Still galvanizes conservatives because she was linked to Benghazi and also to the Russia conspiracy. But there is something about Kamala. Harris? that. Worries Conservatives, mole. And she quite literally laughed at Biden when he mentioned the constitution. During a debate. She's probably the most authoritarian not. Authoritarian or would be authoritarian but actually authoritarian. Thinker. In modern democratic politics and she has a condescending as she trotted out, they offer day during the Cavanaugh fiasco. Susan Rice has issues. She's bland and at least between now and November would do less damage. I GonNa say harasses is best choice a I don't like her at all funder really creating in completely. In authentic. Shield I mean, this is true. One, who ascended to a level? where he can be someone's Veep some of these folks haven't released very high like Karen Bass but she's going to be you know from day one, it's going to be how do I take over from Biden position myself. To do that, but all that said, you know she's she's a senator she's former presidential candidate and I I just I think picking a inform policy hand who's never run for office is against the the. Biden brand of safe and conventional Al Fire Him. I would done the most crashing Lee boring conventional part in picked Amy Klobuchar, but she actually has an environment context. Democratic politics is risk yourself because she? The. The woke life would have been inflamed. By such picks. So sure that I were I'd say it but I'll go Kamla Harrison there's something today that said you know advantage of rice would really activate Barack Obama and Michelle Obama Campaign for Joe Biden can't believe really the. Campaign for for Joe Biden. Hairy So. Real, quick, and plus plug. I'm not going to bore you with my usual. Pitch just sign up for our plus it's your way to be a deeper part of your community. Your way to support are important. Journalism is a hugely. Popular service. It's more than the subscription that sits basically Where all sorts of benefits besides seeing all our content for free without the metered and save for free actually they paint fourth but without the the paywall or adds a getting in your way. So please sign up for an are plus Let's hit a few other things before we go Jim Geraghty what else have been on your mind. As OUR LIGHT ITEM It's really ironically a lighter item. It's the opposite of the title. It's Brad thors latest thriller untitled near Dark. I am not quite finished with it yet, but I've always enjoyed rathore's thrillers. He's probably among the very best in the field right now near dark stands out because he is really willing to put his protagonist Scott Harp. kind of your typical Thriller Action Hero, former secret service now does counterterrorism stuff for the CIA. Really pushes into uncomfortable territory. You know the the character has been through some really rough times and it hits and he's got his new frailties, new faults and I think it takes a great writer to make the audience interested in a character even when that character is doing things that are self destructive or that we just don't WanNa. See that character doing and Brad is very much among the best. This is a bold direction for this next latest book and saluted. Troy took. My light item is not going on twitter. I have not been on twitter for a week and I'm noticeably happier. And when I have clicked on, it tweet that somebody has emailed me texted me. I have realized how? If, you're not on twitter all the time it looks like. An incomprehensible madhouse you. Look back in in this some. Entirely inconsequential controversy that. You just don't understand people sitting there saying. No Horn rimmed glasses or not racist, and you think how did this even start and then you realize you just don't want to know. So, if you're on twitter and you find it depressing I would I would heartily recommend not going on for a while put you in a much much better mood. So next minds about twitter, we've talked about this I I, find it useful to know what people are saying in thinking but I blow hot on a cold on it as well and last night here in the northeast with power in the internet knocked out it's kind of Nice actually to have no other option but to just sit there and read a book. So but I, I wanted to talk a little bit about going into New York City for the first time in a while and just kinda thinking what are all the things that would not make sense if you had no idea what what had been going on the last five months ugly almost everyone in the mask is a big one about a quarter maybe of the business and foot traffic and traffic that you'd expect New York City that's another big one these restaurants which have encroached on the streets with outdoor. Seating another one but one one that really struck me is a police guard around the statue of Columbus at Columbus Circle would would be one that would really be scratching your your head over even like two months ago. But it. It apparently has has around the clock police presence there to protect. The statue. So that time Jim for editor's picks what your pick. So, we've had a lot of good strong competitors but I really enjoy Dan mclachlan's piece right as the right before the polls closed in the Kansas Republican Senate primary very straightforward title Chris. Quebec is an incompetent loser who loses at that's by Democrats want them. And I think it laid out two very important points. The first being that Crisco Bach is an incompetent loser who loses and the second. That's why Democrats want them I have great respect for all of my colleagues and sometimes the moment calls for somebody like Kevin Williamson that just you know. Tear apart a bad idea with all the subtlety of a barroom brawl at Kevin is terrific at that, and sometimes you want somebody like Dan McLaughlin who can go through the record he cites the facts on the data. Any illustrates the absurdity of an illogical course of action with the clarity of distinctiveness of Mr Spock from Star Trek good job. Dan Rate piece at thankfully CRISCO Bach did not win that primary. Chuck. I've been enjoying some other pieces on. On you section capital Mattis. I'm God that we. Taking the time to defend free markets and Classical. Liberal. Economics. At a time when? Obviously out of fashion on the left but somewhat out of fashion on the right and not just in the Josh Holy. Wing of the party but also in some of the think tanks as well. AMERICAN COMPASS COMES TO MIND I'm pleased that we're firing back. So I loved Kevin, Williamson's space in the new issue is going to be the cover on Karl Marx. Kevin Lot marks meditated on why he continues to have appeal on the left including the formal leaders of black lives matter and of course, it's it's eloquent insightful and brilliant as just about everything. Kevin Rights is so that's it for us. You've been listening to a national review podcast, any rebroadcast re transmission or account of this game without the express written permission of Nasiriyah magazine strick pro hibbitt. 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The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Dec 15 2020

The Rush Limbaugh Show

1:55:33 hr | 5 months ago

The Rush Limbaugh Show Podcast - Dec 15 2020

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Every saturday on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to today's edition of the rush. Limbaugh show podcast. Greetings to you. Music lovers thrillseekers conversationalist all across the fruited plane rush. Limbaugh back at it. The excellence in broadcasting network a great day to be back folks. Thank you so much. I apologize for being out. I i remember mentioning at the very beginning of this. Ever going to be random days where i would just need to take off and the last couple have been in. That category had some medical challenges but that was to be expected dealing with them. Every day remains a gift and i wake up every morning and i thank god that i did and there will probably be down the road similar type days where i will need to take a day for rest or for whatever medical challenges present themselves but the fact that i'm able to get back here and be with you is a genuine blessing and i appreciate it. I appreciate your your understanding throughout throughout all of this As as we say everything's day to day and especially in the circumstances i find myself in everything is day to day and you strive to make everyday the best it can be. And that's exactly what i'm doing. So i appreciate your understanding and your patients and here we are revved and ready to go for another three hours of broadcast excellence. I'm going to violate one of my one of my rules here One of my rules. Is that when i am discussed in the drive-by media when i'm talking about when i am slandered. Libel or misrepresented. I have always come down on the side of ignoring it rather than discussing it because discussing it amplifies it and makes it even bigger than it already is but that is a moot point because in this circumstance air already making it. Bigger than it should have ever been and it's chock full of misrepresentations in lies and so rather than sit here and ignore this and allow people to draw whatever conclusions they do. I'm gonna. I'm gonna deal with this head on and what this is is this supposed- allegation that i am somehow in favor of secession that i am in favor of civil war that i have predicted a civil war that i have suggested that maybe it would just be better if we divided the country. I have not said this. I have acknowledge that. I have seen other people say it. I have not mentioned their names since they obviously do not wanna step forward and own it. But they know who they are. They are bloggers are prominent bloggers. There are two or three of them who have numerous times suggested that secession in our future. Because we don't have in common anymore the things that divide us have no overlap. All i've done is simply repeat what i have read and as i you know. I always take great pains to protect people's privacy and their identity even though they're writing under their own names. Thanks so i have. I have not mentioned any names. I know how volatile the subject is. But i do a three hour radio program. That's a lot of content that that exists here and there are many many days where that content yearns to be discussed. So i do now. One of the reasons that i usually do. Not mention these kinds of things because there's a theory. Oh wow limbaugh must really be upset. Now he's talking about it now. It must have really hit a home run. Limbaugh must really be in favor of now. It's not that at all. it's just. I'm sick and tired of being lied about and misrepresented when the people doing it. No they know i am not in favor of secession. They cannot find a single quote of mine. Where i'm in favor of it. So let's go to the audio soundbites. We'll show you what i mean. We put together a montage here from last wednesday thursday. And i'm not gonna mention the names of the dufuses in this montage but here is how it sounded elsewhere in the media last Let's see last wednesday and thursday limbaugh. Now he's denying that he was actually in favor of secession but he's playing with fire rush limbaugh talking about succession rush limbaugh trial ballooning. Civil war or secession. They're calling for military action. We've seen rush limbaugh do this to the godfather of this sort of political rhetoric introduced it and then say oh i was just talking about succession is treason. Russia that talk as reckless irresponsible. It is reckless and irresponsible. I never suggested. I'm simply telling you what other people are saying. And now i'm not going to quote these other people but they know who they are. I find it fascinating when this kind of stuff happens this is by no means the first time i have been accused of saying something where i have simply been repeating what i've said or seeing other people say and they do not step forward and raise their hands and i said i'm the one that said it. They're out there hiding but they know who they are. Okay so that's one. Montage thursday night on fox. This is the story with martha mccallum. She had geraldo the grim. Reaper showed up. You know when geraldo shows up. Somebody's going to die or has died and she was talking to geraldo about my comments that the united states may be heading toward secession so to set things up here. She is introducing in playing an audio clip of mine. Even rush limbaugh warning that he thinks we might be headed in a dangerous direction. An actual separation of the states. I actually think that we're trending toward secession. Can't go on this way. There cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life theories of government theories of how we manage our affairs. We can't be in this dire a conflict without something giving somewhere along the way profound and challenging statement for our nation right now well. It's it's a profound challenging statement because all kinds of people are talking about it and by the way have been writing about it for a number of multiple weeks. This is not anything. it's actually even knew actually think we might be trending toward it. I said that. Because i'm reading about it. I'm reading people who by the way. I've quoted before on this program and who i respect. They're out there saying they're out there and by the way when they say it they don't just say if they back it up with their own theories of why and i'm fascinated when they write it on their blog. Nobody writes about it. Nobody's aged you. See what was the such and such blog nano they wait. I repeat it and then somehow claim it originated with me So after she sat up she then went to the grim reaper. Geraldo rivera for his reaction to session is treason. Russia is a a powerhouse broadcaster. he's one zillion. They come along once a generation but that talk is reckless. It's irresponsible we are one nation indivisible. i had a lap of say that people where he is i have no idea what people in new yorker thinking. They're so different. They're like a different species. Half up new york lives in florida. Where rush limbaugh lives. It's preposterous leaders. Who accentuate the differences and exacerbate the divide themselves as responsible. I didn't accentuate or exacerbate it at all. I didn't originate it. It's something that is out there and being discussed by others. Now here's mike mccallum reacting to the grim reaper. That's a strong charge. And it is as i said it's a discussion that i think is being had in a lot of places. There's a piece by the claremont institute recently called the separation which talks about this. I mean nobody wants this to be the case. And i'm sure that rush doesn't want secession to be where the country's headed of course not but see she. She's she's wanting to quote a. Place talked about it. The separation from the claremont institute. The claremont institute is a very highly reputed conservative. Think tank and library is a library of conservative philosophy in thought and they are discussing it there so martha did something that nobody else in the media. Did she went out and actually listened to this program and she found an audio sound bite of me that is appropriate to use in fits based on what all had been discussed on her program so the comments prior to this. We're thursday night on friday. She played a clip. Now imagine if the rest of the media cared about getting things right she wouldn't be the only one found this. This is rush limbaugh because last night geraldo sort of went after for talking about this session statement. I just wanna play this real quick for everybody at home. I simply referenced. What i have seen other people say about how we are incompatible as currently divided and that secession is something that people are speculating about. I m not advocating. It have not advocated. Never have advocated and probably wouldn't just wanted to square the circle on that and make sure that we gave russia's do by playing that part of it. So thank you. Martha for the deep digging i into the archives of the program to find something that was readily available for anybody that wanted to to find it now. I don't expect us to change anything like what's going to happen is is that These same critics of see we got him. We caught rush rush rush. Knows he's given cross. He's trying to change. He said but they're gonna they're totally distort the whole thing again because i represent the opposition. I am the if you if you somehow come along and damage my credibility than they think. They've damage the credibility of the entire opposition and so forth. Which is why all of this stuff happens. There's one more. I think i have one more. Maybe and maybe a couple more. Let's let's this. This is from sunday morning on. Meet the depressed during the table and a discussion about people on the right talking about secession. The moderator is f chuck. Todd he's talking to the hoover institute. Senior fellow lonnie chen. Who said this rush. Limbaugh the godfather of this sort of political rhetoric. That we're dealing with these days also introduced a minute. Stop the godfather of what the the godfather of this political rhetoric that we are talking about these days. Godfather political all right. Well your cue it back up to the topless as i promise. I won't interrupt soundbite again. Limbaugh the godfather of this sort of political rhetoric. God's also introduced it and said oh i was just talking about it talk about succession and the like is nonsense. And it's dangerous. You talk about going against federalism going against the notion that you should ask the judiciary to be activists overturning. The will of the people i mean. These are the kinds of things chuck growing up in the republican party to me would have been fundamentally offensive. But you've got a bunch of people who are out there. Making this crazy argument essentially to politically appease one man and two politically appease their electorate instead of explaining to them. Hey look here's the reason why this is madness. Why what is madness. I'm not sure. I know what lami chen is talking about here. I always thought the hoover institute was a conservative place but it seems that they're getting rid of all the conservative thinking out there and replacing it with a bunch of rhino type thinking leases. What it seems to me at any rate this. This is the same people who lied about russian collusion and trump stealing the election in two thousand sixteen to saint people lying about me now so i just wanted to set the record straight. I know it's not going to set anything straight. It's going to accomplish the exact opposite but what what matters to me. Is you people in the audience. And you understanding. What's what and. And what. I mean when i say what i mean i m a preeminent communicator. I don't leave anybody in doubt as to what i mean when i say anything. I'm perhaps the most direct communicator. I do not speak in riddles at at all and believe me. If if i were in favor of secession you would have no doubt about you. Would you wouldn't doubt it for a minute. Just the divisions in this country that exist are largely because of people on the left anyway so if there is anybody out there moving toward a drifting apart or a division of people in this country. It's people on the left and us. Okay i have time to get this next bite in. Maybe maybe not let me take a brief break. We'll do that. we'll come back. I've got rachel maddow here trying to explain the magic of rush limbaugh. But i'm not quite sure. I understand it even reading with transcript. Let's see this last thursday comedy central daily show. Trevor noah is the is the this is the former show hosted by john. John stewart and rachel meadow is the guest and the question to rachel maddow from trevor. No is there something that liberals and democrats are missing in america and learning how to communicate with people and convincing them of ideas. You know that question is actually more profound than this guy understands. The you know the difference in persuasion and convincing. You know the difference. It's a big difference and he asked right here in is there something. Liberals and democrats are missing in america in learning how to communicate with people and convincing them. You know want to convince people you want them to figure it out on their own. You want to persuade not convince anyway. What he's talking about here is the magic of conservative media and how the left cannot beat us. They can't beat us in talk radio no matter how they try and he wants to know what madhouse theory is and she gets it spectacularly wrong. I was also part of this experiment where liberals tried to do. Am talk radio with air. America radio for a long time and it was at that point. am talk. Radio is basically in a foreign language or sports or church or rush limbaugh. We tried and it didn't work. And so i thought about this a lot. I do think there is something that is a little bit madge about the right wing media that the left wing media will never do. And that i think liberals and centrists will never do which is that they tell their audience. You can trust no one other than me. There are no facts other than those that i'm giving to. You is so spectacularly wrong. This also illustrates why they don't understand trump they don't understand the bond trump has the connection he has with his voters is based audience. Or what have you. And they certainly don't understand the successive talk radio conservative. Talk radio era america. They were clueless from the beginning. They treated it as a fundraising operation. They didn't treat it as a commercial business. And no i did. I don't know how to make a profit. It's not even part of their their lexicon. Prophets a dirty word. Everything is fundraising to them and they have. They have no clue about building an audience and holding it and and creating credibility with the audience. This idea that we sit here and tell you look. There's one son of facts. That's what i'm telling you and there's nothing else that's true. That's not at all what happens here or anywhere else in conservative media. We just have the ability born of honesty to connect with people. I mean if there's any group of people out there which is telling your audience you can trust no one other than me. What the hell have we been through for the past four years with mainstream media lying through their teeth multiple times a day about anything and everything having to do with donald trump and conservative media. So they never did the success. They thought all they had to do was go on the air. That only had to go out and get some fundraisers against donors It'd be up and running. And they had literally no clue how to build an audience how to create an audience to connect with with an audience at all so now they they look at conservative media. Something they can't beat and he's got to be something that'd be some kind of magic. It's got to be something that we would never do. It's gotta be something so low. It's gotta be something so beneath our dignity that we would never do and whether they decided is well. We have our own facts and we tell you that whatever we tell you is all there is. There is no alternative. What they don't get is that. I do a better job of preventing of presenting both sides of any issue than they ever will. Because i am into persuasion. I am attempting to get people to think and conclude the proper thing not by convincing them anything but by persuading quick time out. We'll be right back. No quoting my friends as busy as you are with holiday shopping. Multiply that by everybody else doing the same online shopping. Now imagine all the credit card and account information being put into company databases as all of those purchases are made. That's your information everybody else's information in those databases and just one good cyberattack one stolen database and an online hacker is set for life financially. Your online information might be swept up in such an attack and it could be weeks or months before you even know about it. 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It's impossible to bring an election lawsuit because it's just impossible to bring an election lawsuit on the merits. No i don't think that's what they're saying because if it's a case they wanted to take they would take it. I think you know. I a friend of mine sent me a note after the texas after the supreme court refused to hear the texas case and the note is supreme. Court just said that. A state that cheats in a national election which screws everybody in the nation is the only entity. That's allowed to do anything about it. Let's asinine it's like saying the only person who can prosecute murder is the murderer. His point is the supreme court said we cannot allow one st to start suing other states. Because it would soon be out of control and so forth. I think there's a common denominator in all this that people. I mean you know this but you may not have put it in your equation. This is strictly about getting rid of donald trump. there isn't an entity in the in the in the american deep state washington establishment. Whatever that doesn't want to get rid of donald trump including enough justices on the supreme court. And i think it's it's there's some additional reasons. Why in the court gave its. Its its reasons but at the bottom line is that this is the best chance they've ever had to get rid of trump and they're not gonna hear these cases they want him gone. It's no more in my humble estimation. No more complicated. That the precedence that are being set precedents are made to be broken. Supreme court can break whenever president wants anytime at once down the line depending on if they get a case that they that they wanna hear if they get a case that they wanted to side. Okay thank you you bet. I'm glad you call her. Carol here's i guess The which one end in pittsburgh your next. Welcome to the eib network. Hello hey rush mega. Data's mega prayers. But just someone. I heard mitch. Mcconnell this morning congratulating joe biden and kamala harris on their win. And it's just. I have to tell you. It just sickens me rush. When i hear these career politicians congratulating each other on their many many years of quote public service as they all female late and you know millions and millions of dollars before they leave and that's called public service. I'm just it just doesn't make sense to me at all and it's just kind of enrages me that they keep doing they call each other public servants. Wait a minute. Even when they're making millions and millions of dollars what is making millions and millions of dollars have to do with. What what mcconnell said congratulating biden. Well he was congratulating them all these years of public service and quite honestly rush. Elsa sounds to me like hey. We're putting the swamp okay. Let's i've got. I've got the audio sound bite here. Let's listen to listen to the turtle this wise on the senate floor today mitch. Mcconnell speaking about the electoral college. But look this. Is it the same answer. i just gave the previous caller. If you if you have taken a look at at the news you will see that. This statement. mcconnell is being reported as trump conceding. Mcconnell did it for him has sewn it up. Mcconnell has finally acknowledged at trump lost even if trump won't that's how this is being portrayed. This is what mcconnell said. The electoral college has spoken so today. I wanna congratulate. President elect joe biden. The president-elect is no stranger to the senate. He's devoted himself to public service for many years. Also want to congratulate. the vice. President elect our colleague from california senator harris beyond our differences. All americans can take pride that our nation has a female vice president elect for the very first time. And so there you have it then that that suffices for a trump as trump concession in terms of the way it's being reported by the media even though trump hasn't conceded anything. They are reporting that mcconnell effectively. Did it for him. Now your comment about public service and the fact that these people but biden and and in hunter. I gotta tell you. It's it's amazing there. There are at least four separate federal criminal investigations of the biden family. Going on right now people about to move into the white house. There are four separate federal criminal investigations that resulted from joe biden's years and years and years of quote unquote public service. And here's mitch mcconnell congratulating him on all those years of public service. Here's some headlines. Hundred biden raked in six million dollars in nine months from communist chinese dealings not including the two point eight carat diamond that he got his a gift. Hundred biden failed to disclose four hundred thousand dollars in barista. Payments biden is poised to hand. Republicans an incredible tool to investigate the hunter corruption scandal and joe biden deflects. Questions from the press stays silent on criminal investigation of hunter biden. Hundred biden himself says the. Us attorney's office is investigating his tax affairs. He said i learned yesterday for the first time the. Us attorney's office in delaware advise my lawyer also yesterday that they are investigating my tax affairs. So where was all this before the election. Well it was. There just wasn't reported by the people who are reporting now. So why are the people who didn't report this before the election reporting it now. Well my friends. I have explained this on previous editions of this program. Remember the my theory is the ultimate objective is to get biden replaced As soon as feasible they want kombila in there for a whole host of reasons but even if they even even if i'm wrong about that there is another theory and it is the people in the deep state the fbi the intelligence community. Look what they've got biden now. I mean the intelligence community. They want to be the first to meet with every president every day. They wanna have access they now have the means of. I mean they can tell biden what to do when to do it and how to do it. Otherwise they go public with all this otherwise they make hay out of it the fact that they have this data the fact that they're letting biden known everybody know on his team that this supposed- criminal activity is something they are keeping an eye on is the best way they have of controlling the best way they have of having the executive branch do what these people in the other regions of the executive branch want done. So the difference here is rather than used this before the election as a means of maybe casting doubt on biden's competence and his credibility they hold it they hold onto the information and use it after he's elected as a means of controlling him and that's where we are right. Now that's why all of a sudden these headlines are popping up everywhere and that's why all of a sudden everywhere all details about all this stuff which you and i knew before the election because of bob alinsky and some of the other people the mainstream media never reported any of their only reporting it now after the election this is done so as to maintain a level of control over biden as he assumes orifice hot next month be right back folks they were going to get back to the phones injustice second but before we do grab audio sound bite number ten. A mitch mcconnell. The turtle was sound bite number. Ten john harwood today on. Cnn's news room. And he was on with jim shooter who said moments before senate majority leader. The turtle made those comments on the senate floor calling biden. President elect for the first time. President trump continue to tweet out baseless conspiracy theory attacks about the stolen election. You have any reaction from the white house on this yet. From what the turtle. Andy if not how do you think the president handles. What the turtle. debt. President trump has the power to sink those two incumbent republican senators if he wants to buy discouraging people from supporting them. Kelly leffler the appointed senator. David perdue the elected senator. The president has the capacity to take away. Mitch mcconnell's job as majority leader if he sinks those two is he willing to do it. Yeah i think these people think that he is so just to explain this. So mcconnell goes out and basically says for the first time anywhere in the republican party. Joe biden's president-elect. Congratulations mr might way. Congratulations kami harris. The american people are happy to see. The first ever woman elected vice president. That's great with so happy. We're also trump watches. This trump gets mad. trump says. Oh turtle you like being the leader of the senate will. I'm gonna take it away from you. I'm gonna go out there. And i'm gonna suggest a republican voters in georgia that they not support kelly off and And and perdue and thereby by the democrats are gonna own the government and they're gonna own the senate and they're more you will have nothing to be leader of. That's what harwood is suggesting. Trump can do as a reaction to mcconnell essentially acknowledging for the republican party. That biden is official. Here's Here's jim astoria oregon. Jim great to have you on the eib network. Allowed mega does rush. That's my birthday. And today i get my present Thank you very much appreciate you know. You know there's sixty million people praying for you and your family you especially. I really appreciate that to more than you know. But but what i wanted to say was Back in april two thousand seventeen california was Injuring articles of secession into their legislatures. So i don't understand what's the big deal. Well if anyone did say yes you know what. I the reason i wanted to take your call. We bumped you up in the order. Because i just found this story in one of the reason breaks and here it is. It's actually. This is a Web page from november tenth. Two thousand sixteen. This is just a week after the election week after trump won one week seven days. California secession plan gains momentum after trump win. Californians made it abundantly. Clear tuesday night. They didn't wanna see. Donald trump in the white house. Overwhelmingly voting for hillary clinton now disappointed with trump's victory. They're seeking another way out. A group of secessionists is taking advantage of post election discontent to push for calix. It the new name for the prospect of california's sea seating from the us it's modeled after brexit britain's historic decision to leave the european union. Discussion of the idea exploded wednesday on twitter and nowhere to be found was geraldo rivera. Calling it traitorous. Nowhere to be found was around rivera suggesting that it was treasonous. Formerly nicotine stained fingers the state of california. The headline california secession plan gains momentum after trump win. There wasn't a single complaint. There wasn't any righteous hand wringing. There wasn't oh my god. This is outrageous. California needs to be so ashamed of themselves. California's craziness california. This is outrageous. How dare you suggest such a thing that was none of that and new york has talked about secession as well off and on for decades i guess it's i guess it's cute when new york does i guess it's cute when california. Does it right here. November tenth two thousand sixteen. It wasn't the election. Wasn't even a week old ladies and gentlemen so jim in astoria oregon great memory. I'm glad you call. We'll take a brief break and be back and continue right after this bill gates was on. Cnn recently. With with jake tapper. The topic was the pandemic and bill gates spoke about how bad the winter wave of corona's corona virus outbreaks gonna be and basically said that we need to shutdown bars and restaurants. It just needs to happen and need to shut them down for six months minimum here. We have a billionaire telling a reporter at cnn that we need to keep closing down businesses and nobody says anything. Nobody challenges it. nobody disagrees. Nobody why are we listening to bill gates in the world has gates done where his his expertise on this bill gates could withstand being shut down for ten years but these bars and restaurants. These owners can't do this. There'd be destroyed that'd be wiped out at qualcomm we believe in staying connected and you can see us wherever five. 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You know. I've said it enough times. It becomes a cliche that i wake up every morning. And thank god that i did but you know it. It's not a cliche absolutely happens to be the truth. And so the bottom line is that every day is a gift and even those days where i'm not able to get here realized that i wish i could be and that When those days occur that i will. I will do what i can get back as quickly as as as possible. I want to go back to this. This bill gates business. Because look at this to set this up with another story that i have here. My formerly nicotine stained fingers story dated december eleventh or the way that was four days ago. And it's my brother's birthday. And i was not able to wish him a happy birthday publicly here behind the golden. Eib phone so. I'm doing it now. Happy birthday dave. Dave brothers Just a couple years younger than i am. And he's he's doing great and he had a had a birthday last friday. And i wanted to make sure to acknowledge it so happy birthday many. Moore's many more as you want I'm old enough to remember when. Hydroxychloroquine was a kook theory from a kook president. Now all of a sudden it is amazing. The things that are happening after an election where this coq so called. Donald trump has lost allegedly lost. Look at all the things now. All of a sudden the a. m. a. c. although very quietly than hydroxy clark. When is okay. It's perfectly fine. Go ahead and use it if you want. It can be helpful now. How many people do you think we'll ever know. How many people do you think died needlessly. Because they were sent home to ride it out or were afraid to go to the doctor or were afraid to take hydroxy clarkin because what they were hearing about it in the drive by media now if you if you doubt the corruption in the numbers of cove in cases consider that the ama the american medical association the lied to us about using hydroxychloroquine. Here's the headline a. m. a. resend previous statement against prescription of hydroxy. Clark wanted to covid nineteen patients the ama in a surprising move has officially rescinded for those of you unreal linda. That means i've taken it back. A previous statement against the use of hydroxy clark when in the treatment of covid nineteen patients giving doctors the okay to return to utilizing the medication at their discretion. Wait a minute. I remember when we were told that this stuff can kill you. Do you remember. In fact when trump talked about hydroxy. Clark when during oh i forgot was when he had it when he had covert nineteen hundred was before before. Who was it that it was on television. That went nuts. Saying mr president. You're killing people. You're killing people. You're asking people to dyer. Who was it. It was some prominent cable news person that accused trump killing people by suggesting that hydroxy clarken was okay to use. I can't remember who it was but it'll come to me but now it's perfectly fine. He see previously. The ama has issued a statement in march way back at the beginning of his that was highly critical of hydroxychloroquine in regards to its use as a proposed treatment by some doctors in the early stages of covid nineteen in addition to discouraging doctors from ordering it in bulk. They suggested that there was no reason to prescribe it. That it could kill that it could seriously damage that and now now that trump has gone. They think now that trump is famous august. What hydroxy clark went perfectly fine. The us which takes me back to this bill gates story. Bill gates was on cnn with jake. Tapper that we're talking about the corona virus pandemic. Let let me very quickly. Yeah i thought we had the sound bite. Let me go let me let me get the actual soundbites the transcripts up here right here. We go all right here. We go this is i guess. It's sunday morning. State of the union is the show. Jake tapper host talking to bill gates about the pandemic and tapper says a lot of governors who oppose bringing back these lockdown orders and forcing businesses to close. What do you think bars and restaurants in. Most of the country will be closed as we go into this way. I think sadly that's appropriate. The next order six months really call on us to do our best. Because we can see that this will end and you don't want somebody who loved to be the last to die of corona virus. All right okay. So we have a billionaire here as far as i know. That's his only qualification. I i don't know what bill gates qualification is to determine when we have lockdowns who gets locked down for. How long do they get locked down. Where is his level of expertise. And where is somebody on this. Show challenging this. He just gets to run around and say whatever he wants to say and nobody challenges this and what is he saying. We need to keep closing down businesses. So when did gates become the expert in this. Why should anybody be taking advice from him. I know he donates a lot of money. I know he's got this foundation redoes mosquito nets and african so for does a lot of things like that. But i'm reading some bloggers here. The bloggers have checked in or he's not a doctor and gates his not a researcher. He's not a professor in any medical field at all yet. Cnn and a bunch of other news networks very often ask for his opinion on healthcare issues. But he's not a medical expert and they never question his reasoning. it just gets to pontificate. And it's because he's a billionaire. Can't possibly that's what was neil cavuto. It was ca- votto who accused trump of killing people. By suggesting hydroxy. Clarkson neil cavuto. That's exactly right. I appreciate the reminder anyway here you have. Bill gates all over cnn. Nobody challenging. What he says but gates is out there ripping into trump's executive order that brings his america first stance corona virus vaccine distribution tapper. Then asks gates when we're going to get back to a normal life as the knicks. Sound bite here is over. Tapper says president trump signed an executive order. He says prioritizes distribution of the vaccine before it goes to people in other countries. What do you think of that strategy. I think we need help. All of humanity here. The us has benefited from other countries. Work here and we shouldn't be entirely selfish and how we go forward. The extreme idea that everybody should die until we have the very last american vaccinated. That's ardley the appropriate response. Good grief the. Nobody is saying this. Nobody is saying that everybody in the world should die. So that every last american gets vaccines so folks this is classic this is a classic illustration of people who are offended by the idea of america. First or make. America great again gates is a globalist and he believes that the united states is not the good guys the united states trends toward being the problem so here he is suggesting that somebody out there in this world wants to make sure every american is vaccinated. I the hell with the rest of the world the hell with the rest of the world and some people died so that all americans may get the vaccine than the hell. That's not at all on anybody's list. It's not a suggestion that anybody has and it's not who we as americans are as we have demonstrated over and over again time and time again when natural disasters have hit. We're the first on the scene of all nations in the world. Now tapper asked gates when he thinks will be able to get back to some form of normal life gates predicts late summer late summer. We're going to get back to normal life. Well how about the bar and restaurant owners. That gates wants to shut down for six more months. How in the world are they ever going to be able to reopen. They are going to be wiped out. They cannot withstand a six month shutdown or a six month lockdown. These are small business. Owners restaurants and bars are small businesses. They're never going to be able to get back to a quote unquote normal life. If they are shut down for six months like bill gates wants to shut them down. How are they going to pay the mortgages. On their businesses how they gonna pay the mortgages on their homes now billionaires. Don't have these concerns. Billionaires are not worried about mortgage payments and other bills that have to be paid these people that own these bars and restaurants. They just wanna stay open. They want their employees working. They they do not want six months of a shutdown. Her lockdown gates said the next four to six months. Really call on us to do our best. Because we can see that this will end. And you don't want somebody that you love to be the last to die from corona virus gates actually said you know early twenty twenty two unless we help other countries get rid of this disease and we get high vaccination rates in our country the risk of reintroduction will be there of course the global economy will be slowed down which hurts america economically in a pretty dramatic This this is obviously somebody out of touch. And that's that's i know it's a it's a an accusatory thing to say because you know we kind of celebrate billionaires in american well some of us do some people quite being a billionaire with being brilliant and That's not necessarily the case at all. But i mean bill gates is more shutdowns needed six months shutdown bars and restaurants. That's the last thing that's needed. That is the last thing that's going to be helpful shutdowns. Don't advance anything. They just delay the inevitable. Anyway i gotta take a break folks will do that. Come back and resume with you on the phones. Don't go away by the way one more one more thing on on on bill gates. Ted cruz makes a really great point. He said that that all of the government class and by that we mean the government employees political appointees everybody the cabinet level departments virtually every government job. Every every person in a government. Job is getting paid through these shutdowns. Did you know that. Well we tell a bar or restaurant. We're locking down buddy. You're killing the country. You're spreading the virus. You're spreading the disease so we're gonna shut you down for six months we're gonna wipe you out. We're going to put you out of business. Everybody working for the government gets paid through the shutdowns and lock knows. All of the teachers are being paid whether or not there are classes. All of the democrat governors with their states shut down. They are getting paid. It is so easy for these people to shut us down as they pay absolutely no price for it. Their lives are unchanged. Same thing with bill gates bill gates can stand there and suggested every bar and restaurant needs to be shut down for six months and it's no skin off his back gates thinks it'll be next summer before the. Us is close to returning to normal. So at what point are the rest of us going to tire of billionaires whose lives are completely unaffected by lockdowns school closures travel restrictions. And all the rest telling us good little problems that we just have to wait a few more months. That's former new york times reporter. Alex berenson ted koos said leftists. A millionaire billionaire discuss how they think it's appropriate to destroy and bankrupt small businesses across america. I'll tell you what let's do this. Let's halt all salaries at cnn and microsoft. Let's stop paying democrat politicians and then let's see if they think two more years of shutdown is okay. That's ted close. Hey if we're going to shutdown let's shut it down if we're going shut down bars and restaurants who've done nothing here then let's shutdown cnn. Let's just let's let's do the equivalent of shutting them down. Let's just cancel their salaries. Let's just cancel every payment. They get for working. Same thing at microsoft. Let's see how they feel about it. It's a great response. And ted close here is ladd in brunswick georgia we head back to the phones. I'm glad you waited sir. Hello god bless you. We're praying for you. Thank you sir. Appreciate it right now. The establishment republicans have a fatal fall. They think the movement trump starting going away and the party's revert back to the pre trump era but the people who believe that there was enough voter fraud. Just swing this election or not just some group on twitter. I think he didn't compasses everyday. Americans and my point is that we need to let the establishment. Know that if they don't step now in respect to the issue voter fraud and they won't have a job after the next election this. You're making it tough for me. Because i'm on your side and i'm with you on this but that's not going to happen. The truth of the matter is that we have an entity that we're up against and it has in it both republicans and democrats and that entity has been called the deep state. It's been called the washington establishment. It's been called the elites and they want no part of trump's base. They have known desire to somehow find a way to incorporate trump's base in whatever they think the republican party is content to be a minority party. If that's what it takes to eliminate the populism off the trump base the trump voter So while you're sitting out there thinking that the establishment republicans need to come up with a strategy to find a way to incorporate the the the trump trump supporters. They're not doing that. They're doing the exact opposite. They're trying to figure out how to be viable without the trump base. They don't want the trump base. The establishment wants no part of the trump base. They haven't wanted any part of the trump basi- before there was trump. and i. it's it's a all you have to do. If you if you want to know who these people are is find. The nearest never trumper and just listened to them. Read what they right Listen to what they say. And you'll get a very good heads up on what they think of the trump i mean. These people acknowledged they would rather vote for a democrat to support trump or to find a way to build a relationship with trump supporters rather vote for a democrat and they did and they proudly probably said so anyway. We're coming up here on a break. And i i gotta take it. Sit tight will come back and continue on the phone. Eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two type folks back before you know it. Creating i welcome back our rushbone cutting edge of societal evolution. And give me an example. Never trumper steve schmidt was the he was the campaign consultant for mccain back in two thousand eight would mccain ran against barack hussein. Oh steve schmidt was the guy turned on sarah palin and after mccain lost schmidt start showing up on msnbc and Basically went to the other side. Now never trumper. He just said he just said. The trump supporters are like the brown shirts in germany in the twenties and thirties. This is what they think of you. You're no different than the brown shirts in germany in the twenties and thirties. So folks if you're sitting out there thinking that the republicans in the senate or in the house i mean. There's there are exceptions. But they're not very many. I think you can count on. Maybe two hands the number of republicans in washington who remained fervent trump supporters. There there may be others but they're not visibly public about it and this is just they're they're not trying to figure out a way to keep you on board. They're not trying to find a way to make sure you trump voters stay with them in the republican party. They want a republican party. Doesn't include you. There's an analogy to this and a lot of people are not going to remember it because you have to go back to the eighties but this is exactly what happened when ronald reagan left office after two terms and george h w bush promised the third term of ronald reagan as his Part of his campaign but the fact of the matter is that the washington establishment. If you get right down to it folks did not like reagan. because they don't like conservatism. Mainstream establishment republicans have never liked conservatives. Oh they'll put on a great act. Reagan was president. Oh it was the greatest thing in the world. they all wanted to serve. They all wanted to be in the bright lights. That were shining on raegan. They wanted to be in the cabinet. They wanted to do this. They wanted to do but when it was time for regularly office they were. They were happy. It's about conservatism. Trump call it populism. Call it populist. Whatever trump was implementing a conservative agenda. He was implementing the agenda. The never trumpers have devoted their lives to and still they opposed him so they're not calculating ways to find a way to fold you in with whatever republican party. They hope to build by the white grab sound. Bite number thirty. We found the audio. This is neil cavuto. This is back in may may nineteenth twenty twenty. Va study showed that among a population of veterans in hospital receiving this treatment those with vulnerable conditions respiratory conditions heart ailments. They died it will kill you. I cannot stress enough. This will kill you. Trump took hydroxychloroquine. That's what prompted. Neil cavuto to tell don't do it it'll kill you it's gonna kill you now the. Ama the reason we're making a deal out of this is the ama has resend it all of this. The ama has rescinded. 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That's exactly right in fact goes back Ladies and gentlemen to the the early days of the program And it still survives to this day the the criticism that you all are a bunch of my number of buts that you can't think of your own that you are tuning in waiting for marching orders from me and that's never been the case. This program attracted a massive audience rapidly because this program validated. What americans already believed what. Millions of americans already thought. They just didn't have anybody in national media saying what they believed that i came along in this program came along and they felt validated. It wasn't that they hadn't considered anything. I was saying they knew it before. I said it. They were just ecstatic. Somebody was already on national media. Finally national media validate what they believe. And you are absolutely right. People in this audience are among the brightest and the most educated the most politically viable people in this country. Precisely because you engage in critical thinking you are the exact opposite of mine number. Robots the exact opposite of bunch of sponges. The exact opposite of a bunch of people waiting for your sven gali to tell you what to do and you know what they know it. They know exactly who you are. They may lie to themselves now and then as they report to their own audiences. You don't have an. I have bigger question than than any of this. What is msnbc gonna do now that they don't have trump. Do you realize how much of cable news is gonna have nothing to talk about now. That trump is gone or allegedly gone. Don't get mad at me here. folks. I'm just saying that without trump in the white house providing media fodder countless hours per day. They're not going to know what to do. They're going to have to cover for biden. They're going to have to sing. Biden's praises there and let me show you how hard that's gonna be grab audio sound bite number. Thirteen biden did a speech last night. It was a train wreck. He couldn't stop coughing. He couldn't stop clearing his throat. The guy was full of flam. We put together a montage of this speech and it sounds like this once again. The america in america more americans voted this year over one hundred and fifty five million votes counted. The biggest voter turnout in the history of the united states and ticket has received together vice president-elect towers and i received when they won in two thousand sixteen. Excuse me or dispute the results yet. Position so extreme before this battle for the soul we. The people voted remains intact. Now it's time to unite to heal. I will be president for all americans work in front of us better than it ever was. We the united states of america as always set the example for the world for a peaceful transition of power. Thank you. The speech was nothing but clearing the throat. So how did the drive by media and deal with this put together another monteilh we heard tonight was a top to bottom. Take down president trump a forceful and full condemnation pretty forceful argument. Pushing the president even to concede a decisive rebuke to the efforts of president trump. There you hear president. Joe biden offering a full defense of democracy the most vigorous denunciation of president trump. What really struck me about those remarks. Just how forceful joe biden. Was he really drew alive in the sand on taking names here was very striking moment. We outrage as joe biden laid out all challenges useful sending that message to the white house in prison. Occupant saying look. Pack up your bags. I'm coming. I don't i don't know what it was but it was not forceful. It was not a top to bottom. Take down. It was not a decisive rebuke. It was nothing more than phlegm and clearing the throat and coughing. But you see. They have to overlook that they have to ignore all of that. So what are they going to do. They cannot be critical the biden they will not be critical. And they're going to prop by until until i'm gonna take folks. I think we're seeing enough information on the biden's now to safely say that biden will serve at the pleasure of barack obama. If obama gives the green light to democrats to take biden out. there will be ample evidence. That biden has lied about his knowledge. His family was selling his name and office with permission. And if that's in fact the case then there's likely unreported money that will be found. The fake news media will temporarily become hard news media if the decision is made. That biden has to step down until that time they will be covering for biden. They'll be making excuses for biden. They'll be ignoring all the negatives you wait and see and then watch what happens to their ratings. When that happens brief break we will come back and continue after this. No i really think obama's running the show obama's been running a democrat show since since two thousand sixteen he ran the operation against trump. he ran the russia's sting. He ran the russian who he ran everything and he's now running this and as long as Biden accomplishes or does what obama wants. He'll be fine. But i do believe that it will be up to obama biden's fate. We'll see here's kim in kennesaw georgia graduated high. Hi rush thank you so much for having me I'm a georgia voter here. I was proud to attend. Trump's rally on november the first waiting in line for eleven hours. It was worth every minute. My question is without trump. Why would i bother to give these. Republican senate seats another vote. I voted for loss. Slur and purdue when i voted for president trump and due to the overwhelming fraud in our georgia election system. My vote did not count. It's the same people running the run off election. Why what. I think it would matter then. Well let me ask you. Does it matter to you that the senate be able to stop the biden obama agenda. We're having our european. You don't care anymore. No i it okay i do care But my thing is to even if we have fifty to forty eight. We can't trust all republican senators. Kamala would be the tiebreaker for fifty. Fifty vote then if romney unconscious for instance loaded with the democrat. I understand that but if you lose these two seats than it's it's it's economic. There's there's no way you have no chance of stopping. The biden obama agenda. At least with these two if they win. There is no merrily a chance to require that the republican stay unified and so forth It just look as far as i'm because there's no wrong or right answer here so don't misinterpret might tone. I'm not. I'm not trying to be critical in the in the way i ask the questions of you just to me. That's what this is about. If you wanna be able to stop the democrat agenda by that you wanna stop the green new deal. Do you want to stop the way. They're they're planning on dealing with the corona virus. D do you wanna you wanna stop the virtual takeover of this country by radical leftists. The only chance you've got is those two senate seats. I know they're not a guarantee because the you know you said they could cave anytime they wanted depend on the pressures that are mounted against them but at least there is the possibility of stopping if they if they are elected and has trump changed his mind has trump said that He doesn't care whether they win or not. Since rally not that i know of i just feel it just seems more hopeless each day. I have never not voted in any election since nineteen eighty eight not even small you municipal elections. But i'm sure. I'm not the only one especially here in georgia. That feels like you know. The republicans are basically using us. The way the democrats us an underclass to keep them power and they're not doing anything to help us. They're selling out left and right. Our governor ran on a platform that he was like trump. He has not none of his administration. Is i don't feel that. The republicans are fighting for us vernon jones. Democrat goes to the capital on the weekend and fights for us but purdue and loss laura or not. well. I understand how you feel. I and i hear this from people constantly that they care about you when it's election time and then after that you may not even exist but look it's it's up to you. I'm not. I'm not gonna try to talk you into or out of anything. I respect your independent thinking enough as it is. But i did want to put the option in front of you because that's really what we're facing. I gotta run out of time. Hey did you see this. Ilan mosque says electric cars will require a lot more electric power than we currently have really why. I wonder where it's going to come from. Details are coming up. Sit tight alrighty. Welcome back my friends here. It's great to have you this. This is the one and only excellence in broadcasting. That work and i am grand poobah the ib network a household name in all four corners of the world. Happy to have you with us. Telephone number is eight hundred. Two eight two two eight eight two if you want to appear on the program. Okay so I thought that i would do a keyword search after bill gates. I saw the bill gates interview. Well i have the audio sound bite. I didn't actually watch cnn. I didn't i. I heard gates at appeared with With jake tapper joe biden impersonation there. And here's a gates advocating that. We shut down bars and restaurants for six months fox. I can't tell you how this irritates me to try to explain it. I want to go back to march and april when we had the first nation wide shutdown was put in place by president trump. Because remember they they have these these computer model projections of two million dead if we did nothing and so they. They succeeded in getting trump to shut down the country so because of mine the necessity of of seeking treatment. I'm traveling around. And i'm i'm looking at the results of this. I'm seeing a boarded up country. And i i remember. I remember coming to the program every day. After i'd seen this and almost breaking down in tears telling you what i had seen and how it was affecting me. I looked at the shutdown. Businesses are what they were. How large or small. And i saw a lifetime dream being destroyed i saw people who had invested. Who knows how much money it was. Just vanishing it. Just irritated the heck out of me. This is not who we are. I was saying to myself. We do not run away from things like this. We don't we've never shut down the country for a pandemic we've never shut down the country for any reason at all and yet here we were and once it started. It was going to be impossible to put it back together. Rapidly shut down for a month. It went longer to two or three months. I'm driving around. I'm looking at this and it. Just it personally was was written in my heart out and i became an advocate on this program for re opening the country because it was so unnecessary we were literally destroying people's livelihoods not to mention the amount of debt that we were going into by paying everybody to stay home. We re paying everybody to shut down for a while. So we're making it easy for these people. They weren't actually seeing their dreams vanish yet. So now we're approaching thirty trillion dollars in debt. Just mind boggling. So here comes gates. And apparently that wasn't enough for him so gates demanding that bars and restaurants be shut down for another six months. Because we don't have any hope of normalising until late twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two. I do not know how gates is an authority on this. But he apparently is because people treat him as one so. I did this. Keyword search on bars and restaurants. And i found a fascinating story here from newsweek. That lets see the date here is done at than it did it. Did it did it today. I don't have the date it. Yeah i do. Yeah i do why. It's just four days ago a magin that. Let me ask you this. What percentage of new covid nineteen cases in new york. Do you think are attributable to restaurants and bars because these these entities are being held up almost as an enemy when gates and the rest of these cuomo people come along and point fingers at bars and restaurants. Say you need to shut down well. Here is the number restaurants and bars account for less than two percent of new covid nineteen cases in new york two percent and this is who we're focusing on. This is who were trying to portray as the enemy. Because that's what this is bars and restaurants you guys you got to shut down. Because that's where people gather. That's where people get together. They don't wear masks. And all in despite all that to per cent less than two percent new covert nineteen cases in new york are accounted for by bars and restaurants now during a press briefing on friday. The new york governor andrew cuomo said that private gatherings account for the vast majority of new statewide cases while less than two percent or coming from bars and restaurants bars and restaurants though we're being told they are high risk areas for the virus to spread. Yes they accounted for. Only one point four percent of new cases in new york. How can this be so once again. We're being fed a bunch of misinformation. We are being fed a bunch of false enemies and false targets for what purpose why in the world target bars restaurants. What in the world could get his purpose. Be at any rate elon. Musk says that electric cars are going to require a lot. More electric power than we currently have. Now wait a minute. I thought we were going to have all the electric power we needed with the green new deal. We're brand new windmills. We're gonna have solar panels all over the place except no those kept those keep getting. Shut down its right. Tesla's ceo elon. Musk says that we're going to need more electricity to power cars like kids a lot more. He said electricity consumption is going to double if the world electric car fleets are electrified. Increasing the need to expand nuclear solar geothermal and wind energy generating source Alon you have to know that we can't cover the needed electricity with wind and solar. It's not possible increasing. The availability of sustainable energy is a major challenges cars move from combustion. Engines battery driven electric motors shift. Which will take twenty years. Musk sand in a talk. Hosted by berlin based publisher axel springer. This is always amazed me. Where do you people drive. electric cars. Think the power is coming from when you plug them into. Charge boggles my mind. These people think that they are saving the planet engaging in clean renewable energy when in fact it is cold that is charging the battery in your car. It is cold. It's charging the battery in your iphone your ipad in whatever lithium ion battery device. You have it is coal evil dirty rotten coal and now elon. Musk is saying that there will not be enough electricity to charge all the electric cars. We are on tap to manufacture. Why well because these newfound sources geothermal wind solar ain't gonna get it done. They simply do not produce enough electricity. There is no free lunch when it comes to renewable energy sources because they're not even renewable. You'll be the closest we have renewable energy as nuclear. But even that not quite what. What about the wind and what about. They're they're free but they're not very efficient and if there's no wind you don't get any power and if there are clouds you don't get any power from solar but mining. Oh my god. It's so filthy so yeah but without it. You're not going to be able to drive your electric car. I it's so much of the radical environmental movement. Just perplexes me from the standpoint of common sense and how there isn't any you take a look at your electric car. You go in and charge it up wherever you do that. The charging stations. And you think somehow you're saving the planet when all you are doing is is upping the demand for more coal and guess where a lot of the call in the united states power plants. Guess where it comes from folks the chicoms. That's exactly right. You wouldn't believe how much col- we import from the comms. They've got it out the wazoo and we need it and so we buy it from them. It's on deniable. Anything that requires batteries is going to require coal to power it. I don't care how clean you think that you are making the environment. Try this this is from the bbc. Here's the headline the heat gap dividing a major city the heat gap. Yes my friends. There is a heat gap out there. It's in los angeles and it's rooted in primary basis as in many u. s. towns historic disinvestment in certain areas of los angeles have created a heat gap within listening. You know what the gap is. Let me tell you poorer neighborhoods experience higher temperatures due to a lack of shade that's right in poorer neighborhoods for. Some reason. environmentalists are gonna near and cut down all the trees. There isn't any shade. There's no tree cover. Vegetation in shade are gone and saw it is hotter in poor neighborhoods. It's unfair in this case. Poor and minorities hardest hit because of the absence of shade. So the city of los angeles and several nonprofits profits are now trying to close the gap through a variety of urban programmes. This is just more left wing victimization. That's all this is creating a new group of victims based on the fact that there's not enough shade where they live and we're going to blame it on the rich. The rich are gone and erin shutdown their shade by cutting down there shade and so the poor have no hope. They're sweltering they're sweating in sweat stink and the stink rises in spreads throughout the city. And all because the rich have gone in and cut down there trees eliminating their shade. Something new to blame on global warming. Rich people are cooler. Rich people can afford shade. Rich people don't have to cut down their trees and so it's just another way to make people think that they're being mistreated unfairly on equitably. Because of a new discovered heat gap in los angeles may right-back. Having more fun than a human being. Should be allowed to have your guiding. Light's times of trouble confusion murkiness to moat chaos electoral fraud. And even the good times. Here's here's john. Eastern shore in maryland. Welcome sir glad you waited. Hello hello russ my prayers go out to you and these days not very prayerful man by dupree for you sir. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. My point is this. We have mayors and governors across this country either closing or limiting the hours of bars and restaurants all in the name of science where the science. Where are they getting. This science from the is going to do anything. I don't think it's about science. I think it's about destroying capitalism. You can't you can't get more capitalistic than american. Small business can you. I mean that's the essence of capitalism. The vast majority of jobs in this country are produced by small business not major big time corporations and if you go after the small businesses if if you if you succeed in shutting them down then you can bring about the change over to socialism you can exchange and by by blaming these bars and restaurants by blaming american small business for the problems that we're having with covid nineteen if you succeed in convincing enough americans that these small businesses are the problem then if shut them down you blame small business as it is that can then be said to be. Capitalism is the problem and then the solution will be government. Government will come in and fix whatever happens. Government will make the owners of these businesses. Whole will do something. We'll we'll protect them. But i i think the objective here is not science and it's not to somehow save people from getting covid nineteen. It's not the stop the spread. It is about promoting globalism and getting rid of american capitalism this is the obstacle that donald trump was trump. his campaign make america. Great again was purely rooted. In american capitalism revitalizing america bringing jobs back that had been lost because of globalism and he succeeded in doing it. I mean more than anybody ever dreamed of so now that they think they have gotten rid of trump. now it's time to get rid of trumpism at means get rid of small businesses get rid of capitalism and get back to the direction we were going under barack obama. We were headed toward globalism. It by the way. I mentioned brexit earlier in a brief comment. Look how long ago. Brexit was voted on by the british people. How many years is it. And they still haven't done it. They still haven't exited the european union. So it's it's the same situation here. The trump for years was was rooted in reestablishing america as a singular nation. That is the good guy in the world. That american greatness is good for everybody in america. Achieving greatness is good for everybody in the world but this runs counter to what the washington establishment sakes in britain able and continue to be able to delay implementing the brexit. Vote for at least four years. And they're going to succeed probably will see how long it takes if they ever do succeed in actually exiting the european union and now look. This is something i think. Yes i did. I predicted this shortly before the election. Trump's miracles are being diminished all of trump's economic successes all of his economic recovery. All of it is being diminished now by revisionists on the left. Here's a tweet from. John harwood alone among the thirteen president since world war. Two trump will exit the white house with fewer americans employed than when he started he will have overseen pune growth in economic output than any of the previous president. Now this is an out an outline by but this is exactly. They're going to end up giving biden credit for the virus for the vaccine. They're gonna byron or biden credit for reviving the us economy. If you go back to the three and a half years of the trump term before the virus hit the economic output of this country was a record high and it was continuing to grow and it was all trump and now here comes the effort to say we all but trump legacy is what happened. After the virus the viruses trump's fall to now look trump. Leave the white house. When fewer americans employed in when he started he will have overseen puny or growth in economic output than any of the previous twelve. Now thinking people understand what the pandemic economies all over the world but here comes the effort to say trump was a disaster. Trump didn't accomplish anything. And it was so predictable. This was going to happen. They're just now beginning. Let me ask you a question. How how much did it hurt. Trump the american medical association literally lying about hydroxychloroquine. Trump comes out advocates. It you're killing people. You're gonna kill people. I'd clark one is a killer. You're irresponsible. how much of that do you think cost. Trump's votes in other words the am a knowing lady lion about hydroxy clarkin. Could you say that it's another form of election. Meddling i mean how. Many people didn't vote for trump because of what they thought hydroxy clarken would do based on what he said. How many people bought into the idea. That hydroxy corcoran can kill you. And trump is advocating. That you take it you mean countless other examples of this kind of distortion of things that trump has said that now all of a sudden guess what. They're perfectly fine everything's okay. Hey for all the hours that you carry around your smartphone all the hours you use it in the ways you do. It's probably not protected enough. 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You'd be amazed at how vulnerable your cell phone can be in a public wifi network if your connection can be seen but if it can't be seen there is nothing they can do. They can't plant malware on your device. They can't put a phishing attack on it. They can't hack you in any other way. Norton three sixty also. Protect your webcam. It helps you with password management and has a lot more now no one can prevent all cybercrime but not the three sixty is a great way to give you and your family. The gift that keeps giving all year long you can connect up to five devices on one account and right now you can save fifty percent off an annual subscription on your first year. Norton dot com slash rush. That's norton dot com slash rush. Fifty percent off. Okay where are we going. Now let's see bill in charleston south carolina. I'm glad you called how you doing. sir. I'm welter mega and prayers rush. It's an honor to speak with us the first time caller that. Thank you much great to have you here. After trump leaves office is no longer the titular head of the party. How soon before the republicans currently distancing themselves have to take the reins i mean. What timeline do you estimate before the internal turf where either retain the mandate for a backbone and double down on conservative principles or face being put out to pasture and let the rhinos owned the death knell of the party. I you got to slow down. I've got to read what you said. After trump leaves office and is no longer the titular head of the party. how soon before the republicans. Currently distance distancing themselves have to take the reins what timeline before the internal turf war to maintain the mandate for conservative principles or lead the rhinos on the death. Now well i who with trump gon. Who's the leader. i would not mitch mcconnell. Maybe well that there isn't a leader. That's my whole point. There's there's there's nobody that is you might have some guys in house and maybe a couple in the senate but i. I don't know a name to give you. That's going to pick up the The gavel the mantle of trumpism and. Try to run with it. Do you lately graham nasty. Nope won't be lindsey. graham lindsey. graham nasty goes with the flow. I think. I think it's time for someone to step up. We've got a power vacuum on on the horizon. Well who would you like it to be. Who would you like to see step into the role of a leadership of the trump movement. Well i can't be prouder than tim. Scott again keeping it local the south carolina. I think that definitely we have great representation there. Yeah but is he trump. i mean is he. Is he going to actively pick up the populist message in the absence of trump and be thought of as the heir to trump. i. If i understand your question that's basically what you're asking me right. Correct and the the alternative is that the rhinos regain control of the party. And we all know what that means so if you can if you can tell me if you can name for me somebody who is going to assume the leadership position now i. Every movement at some point needs a leader. The trump base is going to. It's going to stay. it's gonna. it's gonna hold steady. They are who they are. Trump voters trump supporters are who they are and they i think they existed before trump came along. Trump just had the amazing ability to galvanize them to lead them but people who believe in making america. Great they are numerous remember. We have the research that showed that ninety five percent of republicans supported donald trump. It became his. The republican party. Is the trump party. And i've heard people say that whether trump is active in a leadership role or not that the trump base will stay. It will hold steady but it will be absent A leader in the meantime the republican establishment. That you talk about is going to be doing everything it can to. What's the word eliminate or damage the power that trump voters have within the republican party. Even if it means that the republican party must lose with honour for a couple of elections. I don't think that the republican establishment that you're talking about wants any part of the trump base because the trump basis In their view. It's a bunch of populists and they don't like populism data. Don't like that at all and they'd rather get back to the standing. They had pre trump. i think they're eager and is the republican establishment. Anyway i appreciate the call. I gotta go. We'll be back in. Continue in young. America's real anchorman america's truth detector and doctor of democracy sitting here behind the golden eib microphone and we go back to the phones. This is brian salt lake city. It's great to have you. Brian how are you. I'm great glad to hear your voice today. Thank you sir. hey Quick point on on bill gates I think that people think that he's like it. Software you can turn the country off. Turn it back on again and and it'll work But my calling earlier was that I think that Sleepy joe had some some brilliant ideas by Having kamala harris be his vp. Each pick because he knew that There was going to be a lot of investigation of hunter and it could lead to his own impeachment but he figures that probably nobody in the house right now. None of the mainstream democrats are willing to pick it up because they don't come as the as the president and in two years when the when the republicans take over the house They certainly don't want to impeach him because they don't want to be the president so i think that there's some sleepy joe and he's got some problems i think he either had some really good A adviser he thought that through and thought you know if i pick somebody that everybody hates. Then it'll it'll protect me. So if i understand you correctly you think that biden in a stroke of genius selected kami kami harris to be his vice presidential running mate because he is aware of. How much mainstream democrats despise her and would not want her to become president therefore he has impeachment insurance. You know. i'm not sure if if it's his genius or somebody else's who's pulling the strings but i feel strongly that that is the case. What about this alternative. One about say barack obama choosing commie harris because barack obama wants a radical leftist to be president and knows full. Well that commie harris could never be elected president on her own. The only way to make her president is to have biden. Choose her and then somehow get rid of biden or let that happen. Naturally she's veep she becomes president to get elected never has to go before the american people and they've got their radical leftist socialist president built in and it doesn't matter what mainstream democrats think about it. Well you know. That's that's certainly a an alternative and that could equally be as true. I don't i don't necessarily favor one idea over the other Kind depends on. Who's really pulling the strings. And if it's barack obama you're probably right if it's somebody else then. We know that obama was pulling the strings for the four years of the russian cool. We know that obama was behind. All we know that biden was part of it. We know that biden and obama ran that show. I don't think obama has given up any control over the democrat party whatsoever. I mean how the hell does biden become the democratic nominee in the first place and then get elected president. How the hell does that happen of. All people joe biden. Who happened to be obama's veep. That's it biden is never run for office successfully outside the senate in his life he has sought the presidency. Numerous times never got past the early primaries now all of a sudden bam oh not on easy the nominee now he becomes president and i do believe i mean i think that biden serves at the pleasure of barack obama. We'll find out it isn't gonna long look. I appreciate the call here is in venice florida. Welcome sir great to have you with us Glad to be on rush then. A thirty year listener. Thank you director. My point writes my point with all due respect. I'm sixty one year old. Republican and i've listened to mainstream conservative media such as yourself and fox news and i'm fed up with all of you. I'm fed up with republicans and fed up with the media that supposedly backs republicans. Why in the world with someone like you give a forum during the summer to disc jockeys in new york city that dislike white people. And why in the world would sean hannity have cuomo on his show talking about how. Let's all get along and go to yankee stadium and wear masks during this supposedly pandemic and not one republican have. I heard stand up anywhere on national. Tv on fox news anywhere and say look. This election was a fraud. The republican legislature in michigan could've stopped all this republican legislators all over the country that could put an end to all this and all we were doing was worried about rioting in the summer and cove it while behind the scenes. What were they doing. They were figuring how how to win every time. The republicans will bring a knife to a gunfight. And i'm fed up with it. I hope georgia they lose. I want democrats to run it all for a while and these rhinos and everybody else the conservative media and the whole show give them what they deserve because they won't fight hard enough for the rest of us that trump was willing to do. He was a man all alone and nobody me nobody. Nobody helped him not to the extent that they could have. They wasted their time worrying about these riots in the streets which were all a diversion. Cove it all this other stuff. And what were these states doing in the background. They were gone good. Let them let them do. We'll do the old rope a dope. Let them worry about all this. We're going to figure out how to win this election. You mean satellite don't you. They did steal it when it whatever the republicans should have been smart enough and had guts enough to stop this. The commentators like yourself with all due respect you didn't see the stitches on the fastball. On this one rush you got diverted just like everybody else all. Let's worry about writing. And whether blacks like whites and whites like black and and buy into all this defunding police garbage. It was all a diversion the whole time. They were accomplishing. What their goal was. Divert bird everybody away and get. Why didn't you call me this past summer. And tell me this stuff then. So i could have done something about it a believe me i tried. I've been listening to you every day for the past thirty years and i was so disappointed in you and the other fox news. I'm fed up with them. One williams donna. Brazile whole smeal. Hannity i mean you you talk about how gutless. It is to be a democrat. Well look at our party. If i hear one more republican one more republican. Oh abortion up lurch and uproars and support the military yes what abortions a personal matter. It doesn't matter what the law is and everybody knows you should support the military. What are we supposed to feel better about ourselves because we believe in this. That doesn't win elections. It doesn't win. Well yeah but. I have my own theory about that which i have shared with you numerous times today and i'll have to delay reminding you of it because i'm out of busy broadcast time since i stood aside and let you have your rant because we believe in fairness here at the well. That's it folks. 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Don't Fall For It

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Don't Fall For It

"Journalists. Walk into post office and they see not the connective tissue of this country. They see another failing organ of big government. The Post Office has been under siege for decades. No. Thanks to the media from WNYC in New York this is on the media I'm Brooke Gladstone and I'm Bob Garfield the announcement of Kamala Harris for veep unleashing the inevitable racist slurs. But this time journalists were ready for the birther claim is a lie full stop. It is easy to debunk as somebody WHO's two plus two equals tag. Also, scuttling the post office pardoning Susan B. Anthonys, smiling upon Cunanan heading toward election day trump fills Lee ether with many shiny objects. It's Cliche to say this is a distraction. This is a distraction, but the end result is the same. We get distracted why it matters subway stay focused in a news you. After this? Church. Listener Support W. nyc studios. Moved from WNYC NEW YORK. This is on the media. I'm Brooke Gladstone and I'm Bob Garfield the narrative at this year's Democratic National Convention was unambiguous. The upcoming election isn't a referendum on a partisan America because Look John Casick and Colin Powell and even Anonymous Republicans are on the bandwagon. The messaging in fact was barely even about Joe Biden. No we were warned something far more urgent is at stake. Democracy. Itself the science-based action, the hero Zach win three months ago is essential to safeguard lives livelihood and the life of our democracy. And who is standing in the way? Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump do not let them take away your power. Do not let them take away your democracy. This administration has shown it will tear our democracy down. If that's what it takes for them to win. Funny. They should mention because the backdrop for these saved democracy please was the administration's brazen attempts to gut the US Postal Service. Before the biggest mail in voting exercise in history at the beginning of the weekend. Donald trump basically said I'm going to sabotage the post office at its most basic. This election is about preserving our democracy. During this president's term the. Thinkable has become normal. He has tried to prevent people from voting on the mind the US Postal Service, you know the president may hate the post office, but he's still going to have to send them a change of address card come January simmering crisis boiled over last Thursday when trump admitted that his gutting the institution was intended to hobble voting by mail believed at least by him to favor Democrats they want twenty, five, billion dollars billion for the post office. Now, they need that money in order to. Have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. Now, in the meantime, they aren't getting there by the way those are just two items but if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal mail in voting because they're not equipped to have it during a Senate hearing on Friday recently appointed Postmaster General Louis to joy was grilled by the Homeland Security Committee about his sweeping cutbacks that intentionally or not fulfilled trump's vision. But as Republicans on the committee were quick to observe. He didn't start the fire or what I've heard so far today. Apparently, the post office never had any issues. There was never any delays. There was never any mail that was late they were never need financial problems. There was never any challenge, the mail in voting's until sixty five days ago when you arrive and then apparently all chaos has broken out in the Post Office Fair Point Senator James Langford but what he and his GOP colleagues failed to point out was that it was their party's own policies that intentionally or not crippled postal service to begin with and according to New Republic Staff. Writer. Alex Shepherd when journalists are talking about the public sector, they tend to be sucked into a similar partisan ideological narrative. Yet, the postal service exists as a kind of symbol of good government and it's one that has been surprisingly resilient to Republican attacks particularly ones aimed at privatizing various public sector services, but that hasn't dimmed their enthusiasm for making widespread demands for greater efficiency that in fact, lower efficiency, these have certainly increased over the last fifteen years, but it feels like we've only started paying attention to them over the last week or so. Now, you just said lead to greater efficiency I by creating lower efficiency and we'll get to that in a moment but first, we should observe that this process goes back decades. Along with the privatization dreams for schools, colleges, social security prisons, even parts of the military. But you right that particular image we have of the post office today really has its origins in two thousand and six house Oh. Yeah. In two thousand and six Congress passed the Postal Accountability and enhancement act known as Paige. And that required USPS to make a number of changes. The most substantial was that required them to fully fund all of their pension seventy five years in advance, which created a seventy two billion dollar hole in the operating budget immediately, no other institution is required to do this, and it immediately turned a profitable arm of the federal government into an unprofitable one now, the timing. Of That was interesting because that was a year in which the USPS was as it had been for several years in the black it was also the year that facebook opened up to everyone and you start to see large standing changes in the way that people communicate that also has provided a hit to the postal services budget, but not as substantial as this one about pensions. Over, the past couple of months, we've observed trump's overt meddling into the post office in the person of his new postmaster. General Louis. Joy He is an. underqualified trump mega donor with financial ties to postal service competitors and next thing you know he was cutting overtime for workers in the middle of a pandemic in advance of an election and had removed mail sorting machines from post offices nationwide, which raised media eyebrows but not exactly at first at least alarm until about a week ago when trump blurted out his sabotage scheme on. Fox Business. These are hard journalistic moments about public sector institutions follow a pattern yet in the case of us. There their few things happening where at the same time? Lewis. Did joy is fulfilling this long standing conservative project of hobbling US PS of creating space in which its competitors can thrive. He is also doing. So at a time where it will almost certainly if not aid the president's reelection campaign than certainly bolster claims that he may make challenging the legitimacy of the election, the press is largely focused on the second one of those still and the first part is I think still gone unnoticed. You send that the Republican strategy over the decades has been to de fund the Post Office for example, by forcing them to fund their pension plan going out seventy five years in order to actually force their service to deteriorate in order ultimately to privatize the organization what Louis Joy has been doing since the spring. is familiar to anyone who's covered the private equity industry in America in recent years it's you look at an organization that's losing money, and then you strip resources from it in the name of efficiency, and then of course, it becomes less efficient and you're in this endless cycle of taking things away. But the larger project I think is ideological as much as it is practical. Conservatives, don't like the fact that this is a government institution that works that the USPS should be treated like a business that's put a giant target on its back the postal service itself is a kind of American value saying that we're all Americans and we all should be connected together. No matter what that costs the drive to privatize that not only would have dramatic consequences for people who rely on USPS to get medication. Or to keep in touch with loved ones particularly incarcerated people but it also would be a betrayal of what I think is an ideal which is that we should have a system that brings us all together. You believe that we've allowed a distorted picture of the public sector to form in the public's mind over decades and and that we even internalized the Reagan doctrine that big government is not the solution but the problem. Drunk the KOOL aid halfway. Yeah. I think that the image of a postal worker remains newman from Seinfeld. The stance. It's not to be. So I'm hanging up. You quit the post office kind of. I'm still collecting checks I'm just not delivering mail. Somebody who's lazy they take a three hour break. The Post Office itself is a drab and dreary place where you waited line for hours and then are told to go somewhere else. It's sort of the DMV next door part of the issue is political and that Democrats have also internalized. Ideas but I think that there's also a sense that journalists walk into a post office and they see not the connective tissue of this country they see another failing organ of big government. One of the strange things about all this handwringing about if the USPS can handle the election is that they just finished a substantial project which is handling the United States census USPS does this kind of work all the time and they've done it despite the fact that they've been hobbled by staffing cuts and demands to to run a business when it's not a business and how do we get the narrative that you just provided? Back into the minds of the media. If in fact we have drunk the KOOL aid. I think that there's a real shyness about communicating values in media. That's not true when it comes to sort of First Amendment issues, members of the press will always beat their chests when they're kicked out of a White House briefing room or something, but you don't get that with other values. Instead, there's a real reliance on others you need advocacy groups, you need the postal workers union. Were members of the Democratic Party but there are a lot of cases where those voices aren't going to be forthcoming and that you need to look institutions for what they provide beyond prophet and efficiency. It's a public service and the American people for the most part recognized as that it's congress that hasn't, and if it does do that, then I think things will get a lot better. Alex, thank you. Thank you. Alex Shepherd is staff writer at the new. Republic. Journalists will be keeping their eyes on the postal service in the coming months, and so will the Hustler's inhabiting are warped media ecosystem? The result will be a flood of information misinformation and even some disinformation New York Times opinion writer Charlie Wars L. Wonders whether we as news consumers given the stakes and the circumstances can even maintain focus on the heart of the story I am worried. That we want if I'm being very honest that we won't be able to focus on it. On Monday of this week, trump floated the idea that he could have not just a second but even a third term. Spider. My campaign, we get a Redo of. We seen him this week pardon Susan B. Anthony Chew was never pardoned. Did. You know that she was never thought. We'd seen him float the idea perhaps pardoning Ed Snowden who he wants called a traitor. I'm not that aware of the snowden situation but I wouldn't started looking at it. There are many many people that seems to be a split decision that many people think that. He should be somehow treated differently and other people think he did very bad things and I'm going to take it's Cliche to say this is the distraction. This is a distraction and it might not even always be intentional but the end result is the same we get distracted. So I'm not very confident that we won't go chasing the shiny objects but the one thing that we can do is when we are focusing on the story when we are focusing on the post office story that we don't get distracted by the shiny objects in that, you know we don't go chasing the refurbished blue mailboxes instead of. What's happening truly behind the scenes administratively in some of these institutions let's talk about those disappearing blue mailboxes. Here it is. You might have already seen it. That's a truck as you can tell being loaded up with blue post office boxes, Mark Delaney snap this photo in north Portland and it went viral in no time journalists Gary he he actually called up the Wisconsin depository for the Mailbox Hartford finishing co and they refurbish mailboxes they take them off the street they fix them, they put them back out and so this is a piece of really incendiary content that's gone incredibly viral that as it turns out. Actually just standard operating procedure. The best way for some of this news to get buried the important news the news about the undermining of norms is for there to be such a flood of muddled information that just becomes a story. That's so saturated that we don't WanNa hear about it anymore and people get bored and move on and for the media we have to keep up the focus on that in terms of you know what we amplify and what we report. Knowing that they're actually bathing the press to. Create a lot of commotion. How does the news consumer find the signal in drown out the distraction? I think there's two important things to keep hold of one is that this is the home stretch for this particular election cycle. This is a moment where it is incredibly important to pay attention is exhausting may be the second part is you need to be mindful of that flooding the zone strategy that your focus is going to be pulled in many different ways and I think being mindful of that helps inoculate against it if to set your priorities of what is important to you and I think the media has signaled that this postal service crippling is the big story right now. So keeping a focus on that, keeping a focus on the pandemic response, picking the things that are important to you and not letting trump's pardon of Susan B. Anthony Distract from the bigger stories. Yeah one. Last thing. On the media's listeners are careful consumers of the news. But. It's pretty well documented than most Americans do not delve too deeply in new stories and where they come from and the issues behind them it's all kind of background noise they tune in or tune out depending on what's going on with the kids and all the other mundane aspects of American life that are themselves overwhelming. So. How should we let that figure into how we cover the story? It's about. Clarity. It's about focusing on that main store. You know it's very clear what the intentions are. He said it and I think drilling down on that not trying to be overly clever about it not trying to you know come up with a a day to story on day one it's the meat and potatoes of what we're supposed to do. Often, we get lost in it because this has been such a complicating. Presidency, with regard to the truth but I think in this case, it's actually a very clear the president trying to erode a bunch of norms and he set it out loud if we need to keep the spotlight on that. Charlie. Thank you so much. Thanks. Charlie. Wars Zell is an opinion writer at large for. New York Times. Coming up why black politicians seeking higher office will always be prey to bogus questions about citizenship this is on the media. This is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield Brooke. Gladstone. Since the announcement of Kamala Harris Joe Biden's running-mate. WE HAVE BEEN WATCHING DONALD TRUMP test driving attack plans and real time will he settled on nasty woman choose probably Nastier than even Pocahontas to Joe Biden our fraud slow joe and phony comma perfect together wrong for America or plain old incompetent I. think she's going to be a big failure. It seems all of the above and more including revving up an old save for the current president that she isn't sufficiently American to run I. Heard it. Today that she doesn't meet the requirements. Malarkey as they say. Comma Harris is a citizen fully. Vp but that didn't stop the live from getting an airing on Newsweek and a mentioned by the president at a press conference. Of course, he did it's a tactic tried and true for distracting the media and dog whistling his base the quintessential shiny object notoriously employed when Obama was running for office I, want him to. Say. This is a really old canard and unfortunately it's still with US Marc. Joseph Stern covers courts and the law for sleet he's. The birtherism lie all the way back to an eighteen. Fifty seven Supreme Court decision. We have to go to the dread Scott decision in eighteen, fifty seven, which was the notorious Supreme Court ruling. That said that black people could not be citizens of the United States that they had no rights that the white man was bound to respect. They are an inferior order, the Supreme Court said, and so they simply cannot obtain citizenship in this nation overt racism of the most rank and of foreign kind, and the dread Scott decision was one of the sparks of the civil war, and after that civil war, the nation passed a constitutional amendment, the fourteenth. WHO's very first sentence is a direct rebuke to dread. Scott's what's it say it says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction narrows our citizens of the United States. It doesn't just say they will become citizens. These people have always been citizens and we are now ensuring that their citizenship cannot be questioned. Nice idea. Here we are in two thousand, twenty it's still getting questions. So what is new about the CARMELA further lie basically nothing because even though we'd seem to settle the question of birthright citizenship once and for all when the first black senator was sent to Congress in eighteen seventy Hiram revels, some racist senators tried to deny him. To be a senator, you have to have had American citizenship for at least nine years. So these racist Congressman said, we only pass the fourteenth amendment two years ago. That was when this guy got citizenship that was obviously rejected almost out of hand by the senators who had just passed the fourteenth amendment who were still there in the Senate and they were able to say pretty definitively no, we meant to say that these folks have always. been citizens. What we did was confirm a truce that had been widely recognized up until dread Scott reverse it could you give me a quick summary of the differences between the Obama birther lie and the Harris birther lie the Obama birther lie asked dot if he was an American citizen but just whether he was natural worn the Kabul ally Asif, she is a citizen at all. So what does the argument being presented by such people as? John Eastman of the Claremont Institute in Newsweek the title of op-ed was almost polite. Some questions for Kamla Harris about eligibility Eastman's OP. Ed presents arguments that he has been making for many years that those four words subject to the jurisdiction means something totally different from what everybody understood them to mean in eighteen sixty eight. So backup little Kamla. Harris's parents were immigrants to the United States. They were both here. On visas no laws broken. Of course individuals coming to the United States on visas can have children here and it has long been understood that those children become American citizens because they are born on American soil and they don't fall into the exceptions laid out by Congress when it passed the fourteenth amendment but John Eastman has a different theory. He thinks that the words subject to the jurisdiction have this secret meet. And that is that you have to oh, your allegiance exclusively to the United States in order to pass on citizenship to your child even if your child is born in the United States, he says that because Carmela Harris's parents were foreign nationals when she was born, they owed their allegiance to other countries and so they were unable to pass along citizenship to Kamla because they were not fully subject to American jurisdiction instead, they were subject to the jurisdiction of India and Jamaica, but Mark Liss was in Newsweek. op-ed Claremont Institute, which you talk about Eastman is a senior fellow. What is the Claremont Institute? So the Claremont Institute is a conservative think tank although I think tank is a bit of a misnomer here. It's located in. California. It was founded by four students of a guy named Harry Jaffa who was a kind of gold water conservative in the sixties and seventies this was founded in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, and the idea was to spread these goldwater ask. Ideas to revive the celebration of American nationalism American exceptionalism at a time when conservatives perceived it to be on the decline this was the the later part of Jimmy. Carter's presidency, the Malays speech Yada Yada, and so the Claremont Institute burst onto the scene and tribe to kind of intellectualize theories about American nationalism and American identity that had been a little bit further on the fringe of the rights but. We're at that stage making their way to the center of the GOP. But then it started to evolve. Let's say the ninety s and in the early two thousands I would think devolve is maybe a better word look I. Don't think the ceremony institute was ever totally free of media this I'm right. The very ideas that it was promoting had a bit of an undercurrent of whites national. Identity and my view but astor, Jaffa it and after the conservative movement, fully embrace some of these nationalistic ideas, the Claremont. Institute. Moved further and further to the right onto the fringe and instead of just talking about American nationalism, it will talk about almost an American ethnic identity who is truly American and who is an interloper and its main course of attack here was against immigrants mostly from Mexico Central America. DEEM TO BE INFERIOR countries with inferior or in the words of the dread. Scott decision you're being a little nightmare in your article you called it a racist fever swamp with deep connections to the conspiratorial alt-right that had granted a fellowship to a guy named Jack Pa- Sobek who helped promote the pizza gate conspiracy theory. This is the idea that the Democratic Party is involved in some sort of child sex ring so in. The last ten years it has just collapsed into insane paranoid all rights terror of non white people, and almost all of its scholarship is directed toward presenting these outrageous theories about why non white people are not really Americans and especially during the trump presidency has fully embraced the tackiest and most dangerous conspiratorial elements of the Trumpian movement including Pizza Gate, and you say that few if any of the supporters of the birtherism lie. Lack connections to the Clermont in. That includes Eastman. Who wrote the op-ed questioning Kamala Harris eligibility in Newsweek and also Josh Hammer who was the Newsweek editor who commissioned the piece is a former fellow at the institute. It seems like when it comes to birtherism all roads lead to Clermont. Michael Anton who wrote apiece arguing against birthright citizenship in the Washington Post in two thousand eighteen is guess what a senior fellow there as well, and by the way the scholar to really pitch this idea that the children of. Immigrants do knock at birthright citizenship the United States, he was a clermont scholar. His name was Edward earlier, he wrote this book that was just outwardly racist against Mexican immigrants and proposed violently expelling the children of Mexican immigrants who are American citizens back into Mexico because he claimed that they were stateless foreigners. So I assume that you are braced for this Kamala Harris birther thing. Well, when I first saw the piece I have to say I felt nauseated because I knew there was A. Chance I would have to respond and I've written about this issue a great deal and I fear that even responding to these theory is, is like giving more oxygen to the fire because it creates this illusion that there's a debate here and debate has to have two sides and there just isn't another side to this issue. Right? The birther claim is a live full stop. It is as easy to debunk as somebody uses two plus two week ten and still Newsweek publishes this piece. Which means we're going to be talking about it it's going to spread like wildfire across all of the conspiratorial facebook pages that Mark Zuckerberg refuses shutdown. Alan and it's going to become an issue that dogs Kamla Harris just like the Obama, birther Lies Dogs Barack Obama. I mean at one point twenty, five percent of respondents to a poll said that they questioned Barack Obama's citizenship. These things may sound ridiculous but they do gain a purchase. You know we are so much more divided now. As a nation then we were. Even. Turning the last campaign the one before that. I'm just wondering whether this is just meet to a base that has committed itself long ago to The presidency of Donald Trump and whether it'll just sort of bounce off people who don't support him or independence this lie about birthright citizenship it has implications way beyond this presidential election. There are at least eighteen million children or of immigrants in the United States right now if eastern were correct which he is not then all of those people are stateless could be stripped of citizenship stripped of all of their rights and privileges and finally expelled from the country that is extremely frightening. White nationalist fantasy, and the facts that a law professor and someone affiliated with. A think tank can promote it in the pages of Newsweek suggest to me that we need to educate people and explained that. American citizenship does not rest on your parents allegiance to another country or this one. So I kind of hope that there are some people who haven't really thought about this who are reasonable people who can learn from the conversation we're having now and some of the articles that have been written in response to. That this has been settled since at least eighteen, sixty eight and that the next black person who runs for president or vice president is going to have their citizenship challenged, and maybe we can shrink the group of people who buy into it next time around mark. Thank you very much. Thank you so much Mark Joseph. Stern covers courts and the law for slate. As Stern, just observed a lot is riding on how the media covers this particular falsehood against Kamala Harris. So how are we doing? Eugene Scott who writes about identity politics for the fix of the Washington Post says that some media outlets definitely are better now at calling out racism in lies. Welcome to the show Jean. Thanks for having me. You've observed that during the Obama birther escapade outlets like the Washington Post and the New York Times we're slow to call anything racist. It was something that did not have to go as unaddressed as did and really could have been stopped earlier on and called out for what it is. If newsrooms were more diverse if individuals who make decisions better reflect the population as a whole could provide some perspective about how those types of rumors effect people. But your general feeling is that there has been some progress from two thousand eight to today and the persistence of this birther lie that at least, some of the media aren't going to be as tied up in false balance without a doubt I. Mean we saw that within the first week cable news outlets like CNN and MSNBC. The Washington Post and some other legacy media organizations in their opening graphs they call birtherism lives. It was clear that Camera Harris was eligible for the vice presidency. They referenced the row that birtherism played in president trump's ascendance to the White House we've seen a big shift in newsrooms blatantly call ideas and actions races and I think that quite. It's one of the big changes in media that we saw come with the trump administration. I think our current president has put forward ideas and policies that stowe blatantly discriminated against people because of their identities that newsrooms could not accurately cover what was happening without calling it racism what about Newsweek's participation in elevating the birtherism lie about Harris? Doesn't that indicate a persistent problem in how legacy media covers birtherism it does in by no means was my piece attempting to indicate that the media had handled perfectly but the reality is the way the Newsweek's editor 's responded almost immediately to that column that was so controversial I think demonstrates a change even within legacy media what do you think the impact is of the conservative media? Well, I think we've seen some conservative media outlets to distinguish themselves from the Fox. News is end federalists of the world. We see national review in bulwarks online at even the American conservative be more bowed and separating themselves from ideas that they deem racist in part because I. Think views of the GOP as a whole in the last few years have led many people to conclude that it is a safe place for racist ideas like birtherism. But yes, we obviously also see somebody outlets that are locking step with the trump administration and those organizations. We have no expectation that they will call things up what about the argument that bringing up this birtherism lie at all basically feeds oxygen to the flames. I can't imagine that there's any validity to any argument that suggests that racist should not be called out if any institution and America have been complicit and turning a blind eye to white supremacy, historically, the mainstream media has been of the. And treating idea has an argument S if they should be ignored literally lease blood on hats there have been people who have died have endured significant harm because of editorial decisions to refuse to call racism what it is, and I think what we're seeing in this current moment with semi outlets being more vocal in calling things racists is a recognition that there are people on the other end of these ideas and theories. They're just not thoughts. They have impact on people's lives, and if we want those lives to be protected and valued in if they truly matter, racism has to be called out. So what it is. I totally get that. But I I was just thinking of this example stay with me for second. In, two, thousand, five, the CDC put out a flyer to combat myths about the flu vaccine and it was like false. The side effects of the vaccine are worse than the flu. True. The Flu Vaccine Saves. Lives. And one study found that within thirty minutes older Americans misremembered twenty eight percent of the false statements is true and it took younger people about three days to miss remember it in other words. In trying to combat ally stating the Lai. Might actually entrench it and somebody said that maybe you should make like a truth sandwich say. Kamala Harris is entirely legally entitled to run for the vice presidency of the United. States. Then say B. s about birtherism is falls and then go back and say again there is no question that she is entitled to Run for the vice presidency of the United, states what I'm saying is Should there be a specific protocol for how the media cover lies. Well, there could be, but I think the reality is that so many media outlets are different at their core in terms of what they aim to do and desire to do that. We shouldn't really expect consistency across the board. The reality also is that whether or not someone receives the truth when you're doing some fact, checking isn't. Completely, the responsibility or fought, should I say of the media outlet you're dealing with so many different factors here but what won't leave them to embrace the truth or even know it is ignoring and not addressing it at all, and so that has to be done some things always better than nothing sink. So. Thank you very much eugene take care Eugene. Scott writes about identity politics for the fix at the Washington Post. Coming up Cunanan crawls out from under the rocks of the lunatic fringe and slithers towards the nation's kept. This is Omnimedia. This is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield and I'm Brooke Gladstone in the past two weeks. Denizens of the furthest fringe of the political right have doug new trenches in the heart of the GOP. I A SELF-DESCRIBED PROUD ISLAMAPHOBIA president trump has fired off a series of tweets touting the wing of Laura Luminary far right activists who just won the Republican Nomination Florida's Twenty First District Luma. Calling Islam quote a cancer on humanity and then there's Q. Modry Taylor Green is now likely to win a US House seat in Georgia this November serve in Congress embraced the conspiracy group Cunanan, and other racist offensive attacks which brings us to a total of eleven. Cunanan supporting Republican nominees to run for Congress on the fall ballot. For those who understandably resist encoding this kind of information. Is the anonymous conspiracy theorist who claims that the deep state is out to foil Donald Trump's efforts to save America from Democrats Hollywood Actors Sexual Predators Satanists in cannibals. There have been violent crimes associated with Cunanan, and the FBI has labeled the Group A domestic terrorism threat. The president had this to say about the Cunanan crowd. These people that love our country and they just don't like seeing it. So I don't know really anything about it other than. They do supposedly like me. To Newark Public Staff Writer Alex Parine this new foothold is disquieting, but it masks the real threat making its home in the Republican. Party. For that, he turns to the nominee for North Carolina's eleventh district in North Carolina. Republicans choosing twenty four year old investor madison coauthored in the runoff the vacated by trump chief of staff mark bells a June CNN article described him as quote, the young political newcomer who beat trump's pick likewise an. NPR piece suggested that his biggest challenge would be his youth and thus he was squeezed into a well-known trope if you are looking at the campaign interviews and his website and things like that, he didn't give you a lot there to really dig into issues wives but there were biographical things they missed two that came out later. Yeah I read the article in Jazz Abell Esther Wang she paints a very different portrait of the Guy Yes. He has misled people about being except to the Naval Academy he had not been, but that's been part of his patriotic selling point. He claims to be real estate investor, but he is a real estate investor only in the sense that he started an LLC last year that has purchased one property. He is often photographed with very expensive guns and so on and took a notable European vacation to that has also become subject to more scrutiny. Right. That's to Hitler's vacation spot, which he'd apparently put on his bucket list. You're concerned about elements of his self presentation, one of which being the insignia on one of his guns of flag that tends to fly in places where he is yes and even the name of his investment company. Yes. He named his investment company S. P Q R. Holdings S Q r is an abbreviation for the Latin term senators, populous romanesque, which of the Roman Senate and people. which is the name of a Mary, Beard Book About Ancient Rome. Also, an extremely popular phrase among certain right wing extremist groups. The flag is the Betsy Ross flag, which has the so-called original thirteen states, flag. It's stars in a circle. Again, that could be normal patriotism from WHO's from one of the original thirteen colonies. It's also happens to be a flag that is very popular among the so-called Patriot movement. Another far-right group I mentioned this in Sydney that was on his gun holster it was a spartan soldiers helmet. As far soldiers home is often associated with the oath keepers. One of the most rightwing for anti-government three percenter groups out there. But it's also just maybe a cool symbol to put on your gun holster. There's also the fact that up until this got publicity cawthorn only followed eight hundred people on Twitter eighty-eight is incredibly common white, Supremacist Code Meeting Hail Hitler, but it could just be a coincidence. Again, I don't really know what cawthorn factual beliefs are. What I do know is that it's very unusual for someone as young as him to be an enthusiastic supporter of Donald Trump and many young enthusiastic supporters of Donald trump enjoy flirting with or toying with symbols of far-right extremism. You argue that Kaufman's rise fits into a pattern that you've seen coming for a while Republican Party filling up with extremists that there's a vacuum at the heart of the party. Well, one source of that vacuum I think we can look at cawthorn age. There's a massive age gap in American Politics Right now that is actually historically unusual whereas the Democrats are frequently having. A sort of generational battle between different factions of young people who wished to the future leaders of the Party in the trump era republicans really only have one kind of person entering Republican politics from a young age. The way that they come to conservative politics is not going to be reading the National Review It's much more likely that they're gonNA come to it through trump or Through a far right group. So what happens to the moderate wing of the party since George W Bush's term when the Republican Party was at a very, very low ebb after Obama's reelection as well they had to sort of determine what they were going to do to regain popularity and a lot of smart people in the party were like we have to get more comfortable with. Multiculturalism. We have to get more comfortable with the fact that America's changing and I think what happened is at doubling down on racial grievance remained the best way to win a Republican primary. They couldn't change their most dedicated voter base. So you say that we're locked into a two party system and that is also something that enabled the far right to take over the Republican Party. Yes. But at this point, it's written into state constitutions in New York. For example, board of elections is controlled by two parties that gives you like a lot of power. If you're able to take control of one of the parties I, think that our politics are not so different from that of many European countries but where they would have a centre-right party in a far right party, we just have one right wing party that the far right is in charge of. Americans might wish to vote for sort of coalition of moderate Republicans and moderate Democrats that might be what Americans want. They are given the option of the Conservative Party and the other party they are more often than not choosing to elevate people who are much more extreme than voters might even belief. So. I don't think that the intellectual firepower there anymore, and what we're seeing is a vacuum ideas into which. All this cookie? Stuff is flooding. Cunanan is actually a great example of the base sort of coming for a party. What I'm worried about is that you could see the organized right taking over the Republican Party in the service of white nationalism. Basically, that's what is scary to me about the candidate about whom I cannot be sure whether or not he traffic's any of this stuff. You're talking about the young Mr Cawthorn about Madison Cawthorn. Exactly. He went to a college for one semester that you described as kind of a either school for Political Conservatives and you've also observed that there's a pretty pricey machine engineered to produce people like cawthorn. There's a lot of money in conservative politics for identifying talent groups like Charlie. Kirk. TURNING-POINT USA and all these others that they go around to identify young people who will be future conservative politicians or fill out the conservative think tanks the computer conservative. My fear now is that when they go to seek out these future leaders, the only people that they will find willing to be part of. Organiz. Republican politics in the era of Donald. Trump. Who is incredibly unpopular among all young people. The only people find are people who are already attracted to far right believes and the alt-right. The three percenters in the oath keepers in the Patriot movement and all those things have been around for a long time. But they have gotten very good at using the Internet to identify like minded people and I worry that they are going to begin entering the conservative institutions. Is the GOP Zombie Party or is it changing its identity in step with a new divisive era? What you know what the scholar? Walter. Dean. Burnham famously called political realignment something that happens every generation or couple of generations is this just the Republican party changing its identity? That's kind of the big question. If this is the opening stages of realignment, it's interesting to consider. Because on the one hand, you have a lot of moderate Republicans who are now identifying with the Democratic Party he just because of Donald Trump at the same time, you have to think that if trump loses. There will be some of the same talk there was in twenty twelve after Mitt Romney lost about how the Republican Party needs to change. Ideally, for the sake of our democracy, I would like it to become a more representative and more centre-right institution but had a lot of opportunities and it's been very hard for them to get off the path or on. Ext. thank you very much. Thank you. Alex Perrine is a staff writer, the New Republic, his recent article is called. Madison Cawthorn is the future of the Republican Party. That's it for this week show on the media's produced by Alana. Casanova Burgess Mike Low Ensure Laya fettered John Hanrahan, Zander Ellen, and Louise's blonde. Do we say goodbye to Eleanor? Nash. We never actually met but has been wonderful on zoo. And our show was edited by Brooke Our Directors Jennifer Munson are engineered. This week was Josh. Yes even though we never got to meet you in the flesh, it was delightful having you on the show. 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"In That time times? Mocking load. Michael Berry. Show is on air. Well here we are two weeks and a day from election day as it is known I hate that term because it suggests that you should wait until that day to vote. And you should not. You should vote now. Find out if your early voting is in effect. Where you can vote and Get out there and cast your vote. Now, one of the things I encounter every year is that some of you will say either that you some of you will say, I'm not going to vote either because my vote won't matter because Republicans are GonNa win my county. or My vote won't matter because Republicans are going to lose my county. Both of those are bad thinking. Let me break down a couple of scenarios. Let's say you're in California many of our listeners are. And you say, well, trump can't win California. It's not impossible that he would win California you have to compete there. You just never know. But also, it's the case that there are local officials and you can thwart. Some of the federal government's overreach. With solid local officials. And you have to. So, your vote still counts in that sense. You also have to recognize it every election. Potential candidates are looking at potential donors are looking at for the next, Tom. Even if, we do lose. Losing a fifty to forty eight is better than losing sixty forty. So your vote counts in that situation. Now, some of you may say, well, my vote's not necessary because we're going to win so big anyway. Democrats are contesting to their credit. They are contesting every race across the country. There is a very good chance. Democrats could win Arizona. This year Statewide. They've got a strong candidate in mark, Kelly who's running a good campaign. That is a seat when Texas was Democrat. Arizona was Republican Democrats to their credit are fighting to win. Republicans have a nasty habit when we win an election of getting lazy fat. And Lazy We have a nasty habit of needing to be behind and some people I have noticed. Some are talk radio listeners. Frequent posters on facebook. They're happier being in the minority party they're happier having more to complain about. I. Saw this during the George W Bush presidency where people would rather the Democrats be in office because they can just complain about everything. Rather than having to defend anything that a Republican president does some people are just happier being out of power and unfortunately some elected officials are just happier. I think John Bainer was happier not being the speaker then being the speaker. I think that there are a number of Republicans for whom that is the case. They would rather be in the minority party and be throwing stones and allow. The Democrats to run things to make decisions and compassion and campaign against it. Campaign Against Obamacare and you know how I know that. Well. Number of reasons. One of which is when Republicans had the opportunity to Gut obamacare the very item Republicans had been campaigning against. When Republicans had the opportunity had the numbers to Gut obamacare they chose. Not to. They'd rather campaign against Obamacare than end, it They'd rather campaign against big government then end it. They would rather campaign against all of these Democrat notions that scare people and say vote for me I'll oppose it. But. Then when they get the opportunity to oppose it. They don't. I'll never forget a congressman here in Houston. John. Culbertson. He was in what was a longtime Republican district. That he finally lost in eighteen to. Lizzie Fletcher. And now, Wesley Hunt is a very strong Republican who's running a great campaign and we'll likely. Win that seat back. It's fifty right now Democrats are pouring a lot of money in there. There's some key districts out there. and. It's not that any one congressional district is that important it's just a congressman that's one out of four, hundred, thirty, five, it is they have to maintain two, hundred eighteen Democrat congressman to keep Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the House. The most important thing a congressman can do is that I vote they cast and that is why some of you will overthink this. You'll say well. I'M GONNA vote for trump number to do this vote one guy he's my congressman he's a Democrat, he's got seniority or he serves on this committee. He also casts the vote for Nancy Pelosi. That is the most important thing. Your Congressmen Your House of Representatives member is going to do is cast a vote for Nancy Pelosi and when they do Nancy Pelosi has the authority to to drag Donald Trump's agenda through the mud she has the authority to to bring impeachment proceedings and she will She. She will spend the his second term. He will spend fending off impeachment proceedings constantly that's how they did it this time. Imagine how much Donald Trump could have accomplished. Had, he not been in the process of the Muller investigation with first of all there was the the original FBI investigation. There was there was the heel-dragging that the Democrat that the transition occasioned they did not make it easy for him to come in and do his job. And then almost immediately, they put him under investigation with the Muller Investigation which lasted two years and then upon the completion of that, they brought an impeachment and in the middle of that, they were trying to send every person who was around him, including his children and him to prison. How many people could have held up to that? How many presidents in history could have withstood the withering onslaught? That he has tolerated. So. Yeah. You're right. He's a little crude when he goes into the debate. Yes he might interrupt more than more than you like. Let me ask you this. Have you ever been so angry that you raise your voice if you've ever been so angry which by the way, he doesn't raise his voice. Have you ever been so angry that you said something you regretted or behaved in a manner. That was out of character. But you say, well, you have to understand what that person had done to me. Imagine you're Donald Trump. Imagine everything he has been through. And his family and everyone around him. Yeah Yeah. I I can cut him some slack that he interrupted Chris Wallace who was attempting to help Joe Biden get elected. Yeah. I could see where you might not be as polite as people at home might want. But let's not lose sight of what we're what we're voting on. We're voting on the person that has to stand up to China we're voting on the person has to stand up to the Russians were voting on a person has to stand up to Iran and not give them pallets of billions of dollars and release. They're bad guys back to them in exchange for a traitor. Yeah. That's what we're voting on. And I gotTa tell you. I gotTa tell you. I am proud to support Donald. Trump. Not because he's not Joe Biden. Not even because he triggers the media. Because his policies have been good for the country that my children are going to grow up and inherit, and that's what we should care about Joe Biden calling a three day live. He's he's in hiding until the debate on Thursday could. Levy Shins to librarian. Everyone listens. The Michael Berry show. Rate. And? Vice President of education at the Claremont. Institute and Editor of the American mind he directs Clermont's annual fellowships and heads an initiative for a new center to Support Graduate Level Scholarship. Imagine that taking back academia. I. Love It. We're GONNA talk about an article he just wrote in the American mind but I. I have noticed and I I posted about this last week and I had a number of folks tell me. They wanted to know more about this as a result I have noticed Claremont Institute coming up again, and again in the way I remember first hearing about Hillsdale and not in a sponsored way people talking about they're working on this project for Clairmont or Clermont is doing this or doing that and it's good work. So can you talk a little bit about what the Claremont Institute is Matt? Absolutely. So Institute is about forty years old. and. It was founded by graduate students believe it or not has a different time who were studying political philosophy and American government. They loved America. They saw there was a real problem in politics with a lot of people just. Speaking about things they didn't know anything about when it came to the principles of the American founding, and so the Claremont Institute was really founded by graduate students argue in the Public Square and to educate. Young people about the principles of the American founding and apply them to contemporary political life now, the Claremont Institute over time. Larry Arnn in fact, from Hillsdale is a clear monster as we call ourselves, he got his degree from Claremont and he was president of the Claremont Institute for some time. our our graduate studies program in Clermont has lots of you people out there are doing great work, but the Claremont Institute was really more educational focus throughout its life. And I think in the present moment what happened was because we stayed out of policy and we weren't sort of in bed with establishment republicanism. When trump came along, we I'll I'll just say it I, think we understood what was happening we described what was happening in a way that shocked a lot of Republican friends and throughout the last four years we've been very busy trying to explain and analyze what's happening in America because we think we're. In a very, very serious situation and so right now we litigated we we we send out a Meka, speaks to the Supreme Court that have been very influential and we we right with Claremont review of books is a fine publication and I, think the finest in America comes out four times a year the American mind at American mind dot. Org has been very active and influential in the in the last eight years year two. And we teach and we bring in people from across young leaders from across the country and we educate them on the principles the American founding all of those expensive undertakings is it donor driven? Where do you? How do you raise the money to to to do all of this? Is Donor driven and we are small in fact I have. I. Have to say I have looked enviously at the large budgets of the DC think tanks and kind of the legacy projects out there on the right and sometimes I wonder what exactly they're doing with their money we are five to six million dollars a year that's our operation. So we're very tiny compared to everyone else but we depend in thrive on donor dollars and I have to say there have been some people stepping up because they see the moment they see what we're doing they see the energy that we have. where. A little younger team here than a lot of other outfits and we're doing a lot with a little. That is. You know it's interesting with with organizations like this. You tend to spend what you have in where you don't you get clever but I would think there's some folks out there. Who would say you know industrialist we used to call them who would say you know I get to operate in a free market economy I love capitalism it's worked for me you folks are are promoting that. I would think it would be I would think that dollars would just flow in. I know nobody likes to give easily but it seems like such a great cause. Yeah I think there's a there's some evidence that you know that is beginning to happen as people realize who we are and what kind of influence we're having. We've certainly been growing. And you know I mean I I'm not focused on development or asking people for money I'm focused on getting things done and there's a lot to do as you know right now in America and so I I do firmly believe though that you focus. On accomplishing what needs to get done people do come out of the woodwork and they say, I see what you're doing and they'll they'll support it and we appreciate that and I appreciate what I think is a new class of donors who aren't just sending money to the same old. infrastructure that kind of got us into this predicament. But they they're looking for signs of life and and I would say probably that I think it Clermont. Lots of signs of life because we're we're doing a lot these days. Matt Peterson is our guest. He's written a piece entitled ending the Blm Revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on I'm GonNa read one paragraph and ask you to take off from there. The black lives matter movement has found a way to weaponize visceral American aversion to racism. The fact that America is not racist an Americans therefore both resent and fear being called racists. L. Uses the charge of. Racism as a way of blackmailing their opponents to get what they want, what do they want to change the system itself of course, speak to that if you wouldn't. Yeah well, there's there's two aspects to this One Is I. Think People get fearful as soon as we start talking about Vietnam racism, etc. Why? Because everyone knows that it's the worst thing you can be called racist is the worst thing you can be called and contemporary discourse public life. You can lose your job. You can be a persecuted in various ways ostracized from your community. No one wants to be called racist and Americans of all people. They don't like racism We we we despise that we find it repugnant and we don't WanNa be called racist and we know there's there's punishment for that and of course, whatever racism means that's an interesting question that the right needs to get clear on because everything's being called racist at this point. So, you know we were afraid of being called racist. So, what does the Olympic black lives matter comes in? And they of course, the name itself ride is the genius I against black lives. Do you think black lives don't matter of course not we're Americans we think we're all created equal. All lives should matter. So therefore, black lives would be part of that. But what they do with the name itself, and then with their tactics is say, well, here's the problem. It's not just one or two people being racist. It's a whole system that's racist and if that's true, then that system has to change and they do this with the language of the Civil Rights Movement. But of course, the problem is they do not believe in the principles that the civil rights movement as elucidated in Martin Luther. King's famous speeches for instance. That's what everyone's mind. They don't believe in that at all they they have a a racialist view of justice. They want law to take race into account they don't want equality under the law. Their policies are very much about you re undermining the system as it exists and. People people roll their eyes. When you say it, I don't know why they're there actual children of the of the Marxist of the sixties and Seventies. Airs the Black Power Movement and what they want is is really kind of wild and Kooky racial version of a of Marxism Communism and they they don't make no bones about this and yet we're supposed to cower in fear because we don't want to be called racist by them and you see this especially, I have to say with politicians politicians who should know better on the right who are very quiet throughout the events of this summer because they were unwilling to come out and say, of course I, believe that black lives matter because I believe that all lives matter. Because I'm American but this organization black lives matters a different thing and in fact they believe in some evil ideas that the rest of us don't believe in the black community doesn't even believe in such as defunding the police and therefore I condemn renounce them but you'll notice a course on the left no one's going to say that and tacitly just in support or or explicitly support, and then the right you still have this recalcitrance this fear to come out and make these distinctions and call out with this movement really about it is fear I it is fear and it is No one wants to take a principled stand for fear that they be painted a racist. So they all just go along and I think of Mitt Romney walking in A. Parade and and and the the the consequences of that. The meaning of that we're going continue our conversation with Matt Peterson coming up just. With his finger on the pulse. Continues on the Michael Berry. Show. Peterson our. Yes. A PC's written in the American mind entitled ending the. Revolution bringing peace back to our streets means getting serious about what's going on I want to pick up where we left off in the last segment with a sentence that is at the end of one of your progress under the cover of the old civil rights. MOVEMENT BILL IS SMUGGLING INTO POLITICAL DISCOURSE, an agenda more akin to that of the fringe Marxist black power movements in the sixties and seventies then to the actual political positions of the vast majority of black people in America today do you think that this was? militant blacks who became Marxist or do you think this is Marxists who saw a civil rights sort of movement. It's really more about anger and violence. Where do you think this started to end up where it is today? Well, it's a combination of things because on the one hand you have. You know you're kind of young young kids if you take the founders of black lives, matter who go to. Colleges, and learning their you know black studies, programs or cultural studies programs these kind of watered down Marcy ideas from the seventies, and they idolize You know radical leaders domestic terrorists really. and so you do have individuals who grew up actually listening to the propaganda they heard in school and taking it very seriously and becoming activist. And that's that's all true but they're not able. To. Do what black lives matter did unless you have a lot of really wealthy left-leaning foundations. Looking to support these kinds of movements to further a really radical leftist agenda and this is something. That the right just hasn't done a good enough job in fighting I mean there's a whole network of foundations with a whole boatload of money that immediately saw the Hashtag black lives matter and they saw that it was it was run by especially, these three women who are extremely liberal activists. and. Don't really represent your average black American at all but they they leap onto that and then they flooded with money they support it. There's a network of support throughout the country and you have this whole infrastructure. Really that's pushing this movement because the because why? Because they know that Americans aren't racist right? Most people the movement has purchasing power because people don't want cops out there shooting people on account of the color of their skin. And so they they saw the opportunity to really it's it's a few videos of summer. that. They discover for the last seven or so years, and they try to find these examples where you get some video something happens it looks terrible looks racist and they promote the hell out of it whether or not You know it's true or whatever the context is. and. Then whether they want out of it, well, defunding the police is a good example right over eighty percent of black Americans don't want to de-fund the police. In fact, in a lot of areas, they want more police they want just you know just police action, but they're not the this is this is crazy and it's not crazy to the activists though because they want to undermine law enforcement as it is, and what do they wanna put in its place they wanna put in a a racial is version of justice. In other words I woke tribunals as I call them, I mean they want people to be judged in an illegal setting based on their their their demographics. and. It's unbelievable that it's come so far. So I would say you have two things the educational system that would allow for these activists sort of You know learn all this stuff and invite it over the years and then you have this larger. Group of organizations that have a lot of money. On the laughed, that are looking for people like this to to push movements like this to an actor agenda you quote alburto Fernandez in the ANTIFA. Industrial Complex and saying that the elite enablers must be called out and shamed. That's that's corporations. Isn't it? I? Mean they've how well funded is this to the extent that is a single organization or a movement are a bank account how well funded is this in WHO's funding it? This is this is the question a question that really a lot of people in media investigative journalism should be asking and looking for the answer to what's astounding is. How many people out there and your audience know who the founders of black lives matter are I mean how many times have you seen them interviewed or pressed to denounce the violence in the streets or asked if they support violence you don't see them at all because they they really live in the shadows and they're protected. By this entire complex, the way in which they set up their organizations. Is Complicated and that allows them plausible deniability. They can say look, this is not one movement It's it's a lot of different movements. It's a lot of different organizations and it's not just one big bank account out there and there's not just one you know centralized structure. This is an organic movement of the people. Now, of course, it's not but they do they structure their organization. So it's very hard to see the flow of money and. where the money's coming from and where it's going to, and this is this is something that really only a few people have been working on the last few months and what you do see when you pay attention to it and do some research on it is that they have an enormous amount of money. Now, right of millions of dollars for sure has been has been raised and at least pledged by especially large corporations if not billions. So you're not gonNA hear these. What we just did is fund this entire movement. That's what this summer. We accomplish. Summer. And so then you have to ask yourself. Okay. Well, we'll who's giving them the money outside of this kind of low liberal foundations. Well. The answer is, as you say, these corporations who are broadcasting virtue signal to the world that there woke and they support they support this movement and so they're pledging how many millions of dollars. At sometimes they tell you exactly who they're going to give it to, for instance, Jack and founded twitter gave ten million dollars to a man Mr Kennedy who is one of the worst thinkers I think on this issue racist I in my opinion Gay just gave him ten million dollars and said here you know here you go and I'm going to announce this to the world and this guy is promoting all kinds of wacky doctrines you know in public any has lots of power now. The truth is we don't know exactly. How much money and how a lot of these organizations even are structured. We don't know how they're using their money, but the results of the riots this summer I, think speak for themselves and we can expect a lot more of that because now they have hundreds of millions of dollars. If not billions we're talking to Matt Peterson, and if you can hold I'd like to keep you for one more segment and talk about this from Fort Worth to Albany great cities in between. Michael Berry. Show. Nationwide. The When and. In Japan. Peterson is the vice president of Education at Claremont Institute and Editor of the American mind we're talking about the funding for Blm and you use a frightening number of hundreds of millions of dollars where do you see them spending that money? It seems to me that the opportunity is rife for it to be squandered You know are they are they leasing nice office space that doesn't scare me where would it scare you the most for them to spend the money in? Do you have? Any sense of where they are spending the money he that's a good question I. Think I think there's probably to places that scared me the most one is they're going to set up an and are they're slowly building a political project it's going to hide their radicalism. So I would predict that you know to the extent possible. They're going to try to hide how radical their agenda is. They took down from their website, their Marxist principles of no being against the traditional family and I know graphs about. Transcend Queer stuff that you know I guess interesting but it's not really a concern for a lot of their core audience supposedly, they got rid of their radicalism I wipe different website. So their political project is gonNA come out and it's going to be slick have lobbyists they're going to have You know kind of a front facing activism that makes something like the fund the police they'll probably use better words with better consultants next time and and they'll talk about social justice and they'll start pushing that woke agenda with money it'd become more slick more political. and. They will have money to dangle in front of politicians in different ways to that, and they'll propose kind of public private partnerships like I could see. For instance, with schools, they could create model model education, curriculum, activism programs that schools can imitate across the country There's all kinds of shenanigans they can do a on kind of the front facing political side. And then even worse I think the worst fear is that we're not done with riots and violence in America not by a long shot and I don't think it matters who wins the election because a lot of the folks we're talking about don't particularly appreciate Biden and they'll put pressure on the Democrats the establishment Democrats do what they want. and. If you know the case, Biden wins a lot of them will go into the administrative state of the bureaucracy and they'll. They'll start rearranging the deck chairs there. And in order to get what they want though they're always going to need the people in the streets and what we've done over the course of the last nine months is allow the threat of violence to rise in America politically, and I I just don't see anyone letting go of that, and if you have money you can you can easily get a lot of who are unemployed during the virus or who are you. Know College kids who are interested in activism you can start to deploy them in ways they become increasingly targeted, and we already see this right people are going to end up outside of politicians. Homes increasingly has already begun across America. That's one of their tactics. They'll be these random you know terrorizing diners and all that kind of stuff is only going to increase because it hasn't been stopped and it's given them a lot of power. So. When you have an influx of like that, you're able to organize these kinds of these kinds of movements from the inside and you know so far they haven't got an HR before really. So so expect that to increase large-scale whenever they feel they need to to pressure people into bowing before them. But when you look at their power when you look at their ability to effect change whatever that change may be. Do you think it is because they will do you think it's the pure intimidation or do you think that Democrats are afraid that they have a sufficiently large audience of sympathizers that you don't want to cross them I think it's a combination of the two. So for some. Democrats. There's no doubt that this is useful. Politically useful to have A force that will show up in the street. I mean that is political power and will threaten people and make others uncomfortable that does give power directly to some democratic politicians but I think also you're you're you're correct that there are other Democrats out there who are more your establishment type, a lot of them are older. And I think more reasonable in some ways and and they look at this and they say, I, cannot touch this at all because the last thing I want and are these people showing up at my door and people who lean right should realize that they do show up Democrats doors So in Los Angeles. Where Los Angeles County which I hope to leave along with many other people soon. The Jackie Lacey is a black woman black husband is black as well. She's You know she's liberal but she but she prosecute people for crime and so black lives matter went after her. As if she was a Republican and camped out in front of her door for so long and harassed that couple so badly that her husband got in trouble for brandishing a gun as I think any American with do in the situation at door when they started to get increasingly belligerent, he got in trouble of course, not the crowd and they are going to try to get her out of there. So that's a good example of a democratic politician who? Is. Simply wants to enforce the law and they'll go after her as well. So so there's no doubt that a lot of Democrats are afraid as well. It seems to me they were playing footsie's at the beginning of this process Kamala Harris making a plea for donations to get some of these folks out of jail. So they could get back out on the streets which we know they did because they got arrested again but it's like the old Chinese. Proverb if you ride the tiger, it's hard to get off the various versions. But at some point, they have to dismount from this tiger that I think Democrats thought they were gonNA benefit from, and now it's become dangerous Jenny Durkan in. Seattle, they came to her home at ten wheeler in in Portland. Larry Lightfoot Lori lightfoot in Chicago. You have these various politicians who plays footsie with this organization until it turned on them yeah I. think that's an interesting dynamic and if there's any hope here, you would you would you would hope that at some point they're able to stand up at least behind the scenes and say something but you know I have to say I I am doubtful that without the right becoming more vocal in calling this out in front of the American people. That the Democrats will the left will change because so far you're right. I mean you know Laurie lightweight and Chicago doesn't like it when people show up at her house and she's GonNa stop that but is she really going to condemn you know violence in the movement wholesale? Maybe you're right we've seen a turn where they sort of realized we do have this tiger by the tail and we can't let go but we don't like this but at the same. Time I mean Look Biden has said a few things about violence being wrong Harris I mean she is. She has said even less and they do not want to call out this organization and and look frankly nor Republicans right. So until we can actually call this out explicitly all the time in public especially politicians on the right I. Just don't see how it's going to stop the other aspect to it is beside shining a light on it, which is a must. Aspect is of course. Law Enforcement has actually when when there are laws being violated, law enforcement is going to have to act and when you look at what we've seen you know what I like to say is especially with antiques, but also with black lives matter the both of them combined they also, they often worked together. At what I'd like to say this is not GonNa stop until it stopped. And what I mean by that these are the sorts of activists. These sorts of people who you know the minority of people out there in America. But they are the sorts of people who are going to continue to do what they've done and break the law until someone actually physically stops them and that has to be law enforcement in America and so you know I I think that there's been some some places regions have have really. Done a good job in turning the tide and saying, no, we're not going to allow this here. but but you know the the jury is still out on what we're. GonNa do so. So both two things need to happen. We need politicians who clearly distinguish between what's acceptable and what's not when it comes to protesting, and then when it comes to harassment and violence, and then we're going to law enforcement that's willing to take the slings and arrows of the other side, which is gonNa say they're being you know they're being terrible and on just and enforce the law I think you're right matt. Peterson is vice. President of Education Institute and Editor of the American mind. You're a great guest come back and see us. That time. Time. Time. Mocking load. Michael Very show is on the air. Jimbo Var written for the New York Times Wall Street Journal Playboy to pose New Republic Reader's digest and more member of the USA Today Board of contributors. A frequent contributor to the hill and a contributing editor for the American conservative. He's just written an article in the American conservative entitled the Voting Rights Mirage for years we've been told voting keeps government in check. None of this is true Jim. Tell us what you mean there. Well folks have been encouraged to think that having a vote is all day need to protect their rights and liberties that if they have the vote and they don't need to worry about the you know government agents, you know wrecking their lives or politicians doing things at throw them in do you know that that make their lives terrible but the voting is It's good to have a vote, but the media has encouraged people to. have far too much faith in voting and as we've seen in recent decades, having vote has not stopped the government at every level from becoming far more impressive. And so what would you hope people take from this? I would hope that that people would recognize. that. you know it doesn't matter who they vote for the government is unlikely to obey the constitution or to respect their individual rights. Government is far more dangerous than what the media usually admits and it. It takes far more than casting a ballot to keep to keep politicians in check and that's compound because so much of the mainstream media is basically cheering on government abuses these days. Some interesting perspective. I don't I don't disagree you go back to the Voting Rights Act and you talk about that and how Lyndon Johnson made that seemed to be such an important thing. Do you disagree with that or do you want to clarify that? Well it was good to It was good that people were allowed to vote I mean But what Johnson did was talk about like it was a magic one something that the Johnson did the conversation with Martin Luther King Johnson said that I just don't see how anybody can say a man that a man can fight in Vietnam but he can't vote well, the voting rights act of nineteen, sixty, five x it did expand voting rights, but it did not nullify Johnson's dictatorial power over draftees tens of thousands of conscripts were sent to die an unpopular war in Vietnam and it didn't matter that that people could vote government still had far too much power. Well, isn't it? Interesting? Apropos this that Joe Biden refuses to answer he will pack the court or not in his answer is people need to vote but. It's as if this as you said, voting is in and of itself, a magic wand and it's not. No and it's I mean it's especially arrogant of by saying people need to vote. It's like It's like he is. He has a notion that politicians have this higher right that they don't need to to tell how they plan to use the power. They hope people will give them but I mean Biden has got a horrible record on civil liberties. binding has been been talking recently about He says the battle for the soul for America has many fronts the right to vote as. The most fundamental when he was the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, he pushed through crime bills that help send the prison population skyrocketing, and okay. So the folks who got this pre sent to prison had to vote before eventually afterwards. But those laws still wreck their lives and He was so much in favor of government asset forfeiture of fighting the drug war to the last you know Hippie and doing so many other things that took government off the leash. And it didn't matter that that people could vote. government was still off the leash. Thanks in part to people like Joe Biden. That's exactly right that crime bill. Devastated an entire generation of young blacks from which we'll never recover because now you have individuals who went to prison for possession and end up coming out with a felony on their record, which makes it very difficult to to ever get a job to ever provide for yourself I. Mean it is. It is such a black mark upon your life and that was Biden through through and he was quite proud of it at the time. He was both left and right about being a being tough on crime and the that type of comments he made about people who violated federal laws this well, you know this lock up and throw the key. He didn't use that phrase, but that was just of it and if someone is our murderer or rapist. Is doing violence, other people sure. Lock them up but So many the federal crime bills that by co wrote from the Nineteen Seventies. Onwards severely penalized folks that were doing things that were non violent that that crimes were a victimless things that might not be well advised but you know putting people in prison for him. That's As you said that REX people's lives I'll read your paragraph. Back to you because it's so well written, having a vote does nothing to prevent a person from being molested by the transportation security. Agency. Spied on by the National Security Agency or harassed by the Internal Revenue. Service casting votes is not prevented the federal government from creating trillions of pages of new secrets. Every year at the state level possessing the right to vote failed to stop governors from padlocking churches, bankrupting businesses, blighting education, and placing scores. Of millions of Americans under house arrest on the flimsiest epidemiological pretexts during the covid nineteen pandemic that is a blue bleak outlook that happens to be true. Well and it's and it's exasperated to me the much of the media commentary weeks before the election makes people think well, all we have to do is is change the occupant of the White House, and then your rights and liberties are going to be safe It's GonNa like It's like a the voting. If people vote as media, hopes will wave a magic wand over the entire federal government but the the government's not going to change that much and we are still not gonNA. Know a lot of what the government does and It's federal secrecy, which is allowed. So many horrendous abuses from the TSA to the NSA. The FBI's been doing all kinds of. Bad stuff in recent years actually going way back but and we don't find out about until long afterwards and then folks say, well, well, you can't cry over spilled milk but these are you know these are dangerous precedents? Jimbo Var come back and see us you're a great guest coming up. We'll give you an update on the Supreme Court nomination of Judge Amy Coney Barrett big developments expected this week. We'll let you know what they are. Song? Don't want to hear it ill, just go ahead and say it. Sorry the Michael Berry show. Turned, a chairs. Tables. They Call me the seeker. Though. You've heard me say on occasion when making recommendations on what to read what I like to read that investor's business daily has. The best editorials that you've never read, they're fantastic. They should get more credit george new Meyer is a former OP, ed editor for the IB and he's written for most every everything else that you've ever read as well as the author of the political pope and he is also co author of no higher power. Obama's war on religious freedom, both of which we will discuss. But first we start with his new book, the Biden Deception moderate opportunist or the Democrats crypto socialist just came out in September. Do you answer that question in the book George Or do you just ask? I'll answer it yes. He's He's both an opportunity to crypto socialist as I show in the book you know his his You know the pattern in his political career has been to adjust as politics prevailing line within the party. So when the party was more moderate in the nineteen nineties, under Bill Clinton, he was more moderate Biden was more moderate but as the party moved to the far left in recent years, he has Biden has joined them on the far left and you know he's once again conforming as politics to the to the dominant line within the party, which is which is increasingly defined by AFC and Bernie Sanders, and so under that influence, he's adopted all the far left positions of the party which you can see you know in his position in favor of open borders you can see it in his promise to make Beta Aurora. And Elizabeth Warren is Treasury Secretary. You can see it in his abortion position, which is extremely aggressive. You know he he not only supports abortion. He also wants Americans to pay for it. So on issue after issue, he's adopted the far left position. Well and it's an interesting time because. Biden always kind of position himself almost as a southern Democrat the the crime bill that he was he was so keen on and and he was GonNa get White Labor. You know he was from the hardscrabble streets of Scranton he wanted everyone to know and he had these sort of socially conservative positions and he was this moderate and it was as if there was no place for him in the Democrat primary and now he's had to move so far to the left to capture that angry radical end of of of his party that I don't see him ever able to come back. No yeah and he really yeah, he's put himself on on that irrevocable course by selecting come Harris is running mate who is the the most liberal member of the US Senate? He could have selected a much more moderate running mate, but he chose to go with Kamala Harris and so that's you know it by doing that he really sealed. The deal with the far left and made it clear to the far left that they would have control over his presidency. Well. And then then you ask the question, which is a fair question in this case, is his health his mental health, it his his cognitive. And I don't say that as an insult, I, say that because I'd want to know the the health of my teams coach or quarterback or are the bus driver of of my kids bus. These are important questions to answer and I think there's some real doubts with him. All right and and these questions as I point out in the book were raised I not by the Republicans. But by the Democrats last year Cory Booker and Andrea Mitchell among other liberals and Democrats they questioned the mental fitness of by you know they they said that you know it was clear that he had lost his mental edge and so this is really a topic and an issue that was raised I by the. Democrats and you know they, of course, you know the media has blanked all of that out. They won't mention any of that and they'll pin on the Republicans, but the reality is, is that people within the Democratic Party? They realize that that Biden you know has been in decline for some time and there are privately and secretly I think hoping that he hands the presidency optic Kamala Harris after a year or two. And I don't I don't think that's out of the realm. The book is the Biden Deception. He is George. Niemeyer. What are you want people to take from this? Do you want people to take away from this that Joe Biden is? Not who he tells us he is or what exactly would would be the takeaway. well, I hope people will just know his record and and his changes with them laugh and realize that he will end up being a tool of the radical left. He will govern not as a moderate but as far left. Democrat and and that is going to be disastrous for the country. You know I biden presidency will do more damage to the country than Obama. Did you know it's going to combine the worst of the Obama years with the worst of today's Democratic Party. I find it fascinating his relationship with Obama and how Obama has always kept his distance. He's always been dismissive of him. He's he's he's almost derisive of him, and then in sixteen, he wouldn't support him and then in twenty you know he didn't support him until it was just him in Bernie and Bernie was basically out of the race and Bernie's a guy who threatened to run against. Obama and got pretty far along the road in twelve. So there's no love lost their. Do. You think Obama doesn't like him or do you think he just doesn't want his legacy in any way smeared by him? I think the ladder you know yeah I think he realizes that Biden is You know not not GonNa hold up his legacy very well, and I think he realizes that Biden is. of a pretty shaky figure at this point and I think he fears that his presidency will be very incompetent and I don't think that Obama toe completely trusted Biden's judgment. As, I point out in the book, there was a period during the Obama years when Obama's aides actually considered replacing by the ticket you know they were thinking about dropping him in twenty, twelve it because because of his gaffes and because of his bad judgment, you know he he consistently gave. Obama you know bad advice For example, he told Obama not to conduct the raid on. You know he biden was against that and So on issue after issue during the Obama, Years Biden was not not a great counselor and I and I think that explains Obama's hesitation and endorsing them. I think you're right You know? I don't want to say i. felt sorry for the Guy Because I think he's he's dangerous and he's dangerously close to the presidency where he could do a lot of harm but it was so interesting to watch how Obama treated him after how loyal he was to Obama, for those eight years just as George H W Bush stood by Ronald Reagan, side and and carried out the projects he was supposed to you know Biden's. Not, a follower, he's not a number two to anybody never has been his entire career. So for for him to be willing to do that, you have to think that the implicit tradeoff was that Obama within bless him and sixteen. He waited a long time at his age and now you see it he knew he was in decline sixteen would have been a better year for him and and I, think he realizes that now. Oh, yeah yeah I think that's that's correct and The only reason I I think one of the reasons why Obama you know hadn't you did end up supporting by this time around is that He's going to be able to you know he'll be one of the puppeteers behind Biden. He'll. He'll be able to get all of his people like Susan Rice and air colder and all those Obama. You know the radical retreads from the Obama years they're all going to find a place in the Biden administration and so I think that's why. The, Obama folks decided at the end of the this race at the end of the primaries that they had to throw their weight behind Biden rather than Bernie Sanders you know they don't mind I. Don't think they mind Bernie Sanders exerting an influence over the party. They just didn't want him to be the head of the party. More pliable and Biden fit that anybody ever. Tell you sound like Dennis, Miller. No now now, lot like Dennis Miller all right. We'll continue our conversation with George, Niemeyer about two other books. He's written the political pope and no higher power Obama's war on religious freedom coming up. The. Michael Berry show continues. And Talking to George. New Meyer who sounds strangely strangely like Dennis Miller I mean real. MRI. You hear it a so so closely. So close to Dennis Miller in in his cadence in his all of it just pay attention to it The book is the Biden deception moderate opportunist or the Democrats crypto socialist. That's just come out to other books. I WanNa talk to him about that. He's written in the past one of them is the political pope, a friend of mine who is a very devout Catholic and proudly so said to me, I haven't paid attention to this pope. I don't feel like I have a pope is that consistent with what percentage? Of American. Catholics, do you think share that sentiment? I think substantial number do he. You know he really is a departure from the last two popes benedict the sixteenth and Pope John Paul the second you know his. Priorities and emphases are completely different from there. You know we went from Pope, Benedict, the sixteenth you talked about. You know the dictatorship of relativism to now pope who whose signature phrases who am I to judge. And I think that you know a lot of Catholics I not very baffling. He's not You know we we unfortunately have a pope who not. Particularly interested in promoting Catholicism, and in fact, you know he spent a Lotta time undermining and suggesting that you know Orthodox Catholics are somehow too rigid and and so it's it's very strange. But I you know the scary thing is is the Joe Biden very tall. The Joe Biden represents is awesome. The Pope Francis has peddling. You know it's a catholicism that is not really focused on moral teachings, but instead is focused on left wing politics and so and quote unquote social justice. And so yeah, I think this is it's scary to me that you know we could have Joe Biden and pope. Francis both on the world stage combining all their left wing views together in the you know advance amount of so-called social justice. I'm southern Baptist Not Catholic but have a great deal of respect for the church in its teachings in its in its members and I have to tell you when Nancy Pelosi pulled the bishops together and lectured them on the issue of immigration and they took it. I found that to be as disturbing as as any aspect of what we're talking about because that suggested that somehow they were willing to submit to the will of an elected official who runs around saying she's Catholic. But supports policies that are in contravention of of the doctrine. Yeah it. It's an enormous scandal and and I'm afraid yet it will. It will only intensify Biden wins because that's going to give all the liberals within the Catholic Church somebody that they can stand behind and and and promote and I'm afraid that the left wing dissenting Catholicism that Biden. Represents will spread even more if he becomes president. Interesting that the Amy Coney Barrett who looks like she'll be passed out by vote on Thursday and there'll be a vote on on her nomination on the floor. Hopefully by the end of the month and that her Catholicism under such attack and they've made her out to be some radical I think a lot of Americans Adelphi with the dogma that that Dianne Feinstein said you know the the Dogma lives? Yes it should. It should should carry your faith with you. Right yeah it's very perverse that Amy Tony. Barrett gets harassed for following the teachings of the Church Bud Biden gets no harassment from the media for deviating from those teachings and from you know voting against them consistently, you know that's that's the more unusual story. That's more relevant stories. You know we had. You Know Biden could turn out to be one of the most you know anti-catholic presidents ever in the sense. That you know he's talked about resuming the harassment of the little sisters of the poor which took place under Obama the up and you know he's really planning a kind of war on Christians and with you know in Catholics are going to suffer the brunt of that and and it'll it'll be at the hands of so called. Catholic, president, which brings us thanks a media would take an interest in that kind of. You know I know you would think so you would certainly think so because their readers and viewers care, but that brings us to the next book no higher power Obama's war on religious freedom. Kind of recap that if you would and what does that portend for a Biden administration sounds like more of the same. Yeah. I think you know Biden is going to pick up where Obama left off over? With his the contraceptive mandate contained with obamacare which forced all employers to pay for the contraceptives of their employees I believe that Biden will. You know reimpose that on the American people. But then he's GonNa add to it and abortion mandate. He's GonNa, force all employers to pay for abortions of their employees and and I think he's on on many other issues He's going to expand and intensify what Obama started and you know I I think we're GONNA see Christian Chaplains Court. And Christian Soldiers Court Martial You know he's GonNa use the power of the federal government to force people to accept the the moral views of the Democratic Party and if they don't, they will be excluded from the Public Square. It's a frightening thought because the idea of politicians whether formally or informally attempting to change. To affect the church in this manner I, find it distinctly UNAMERICAN and I find it distinctly troubling and and I would hope that that Democrats would speak out against this because this is a precedent and a trend that we don't want to see in this country, we've moved past John F. Kennedy being questioned as to whether he could be loyal to the constitution are. The Pope and having to be dragged down to Dallas and answer to Baptist pastors a Baptist preachers that he is his own man we've moved past that and and I sense that with this Obama Biden you know sort of heavy handed manner toward the Catholic Church and Christians Writ Large I find that very very disturbing and I hope Democrats will push back lament. Yeah, unfortunately I think the the Democrats a past the point of no return with respect to secularism they have made it. Very clear at their conventions that they wish to be seen as the Party of secularism you know they dropped from a couple of meetings God from the pledge. Allegiance. Didn't say under one nation under God they drop that and then I don't know if you remember. But in Twenty Sixteen they excuse me twenty twelve I believe they actually. Debated whether or not to Drop God, the Word God from the platform of the party. So really they've been on a secularist course for many years now and I I don't see them pulling back from that I. I see them instead actually accelerating and becoming even more intense in their opposition to traditional. Christianity, and that's I think we're looking Christians really I mean this is one of the reasons why they should go out and vote for Donald Trump and math. He's been the best garden of religious liberty since Ronald Reagan interestingly enough to want to speak for themselves George? Meyer is our guest the Biden deception go buy it and read it George come back and see us appreciate your time. Michael Berry, known as the. Also known as El to see knows. Who Only? Stand. On a lonely windswept point on the northern shore of France. The air is soft but forty years ago at this moment. The air was dense with smoke and the cries of men. And, the air was filled with the crack of rifle fire on the roar of cannon. At dawn on the morning of the sixth of June, one, thousand, nine, hundred, forty, four. Two hundred and twenty-five Rangers jumped off the British landing craft and ran to the bottom of these cliffs. Their mission was one of the most difficult and daring of the invasion. To. These share and desolate cliffs and take out the enemy guns. The allies had been told that some of the mightiest guns were here and they would trained on the beaches to stop the allied advance. The Rangers looked up and saw the enemy soldiers, the edge of the cliffs shooting down on them with machine guns and throwing grenades. And the American Rangers began to climb. They shot rope ladders over the face of these cliffs and began to pull themselves up. When one ranger fell another would take his place when one rope was cut arranger would grab another and beginnings climb again. They climbed shot back and held their footing. Soon one by one, the rangers pulled themselves over the top and in seizing the firm land at the top of these cliffs, they began to seize back the continent of Europe. Michael Reagan is our guest. He is the founder and president of the Reagan. Legacy. Foundation Michael. It's important to you to preserve your father's memory. What are you want people who may not have been old enough to have remembered his presidency in his life? What do you want them to remember about your father? What? Really. The the great man was and and the heart they had for so many others and the way that we're remembering his legacy really is, is all over the World League. Worked with. The Germany to put a plaque at the ground where it gave the speech back nineteen seventy down this wall speech we have a Reagan exhibit the checkpoint Charlie was at Berlin. Overlooking Checkpoint Charlie. Now, work with nobody France and the airborne and GM there people don't know but. When you look at France, in the speech he gave. Many many years ago. He was the first president to visit number on gay. No, the president been there on D Day. And and the speech agape was so wonderful. Now, every president since him yes. As spoken on D Day, you know at at at nobody Francis. So we work with sainte-mere-eglise I town free by America d day morning four o'clock in the morning and the airborne. Museum. So people can go online go to walkway the victory dot com or Reagan. Legacy. Foundation Dot Org and you can actually purchase a brick. and. Put the name of eleven served in the Second World War European theater on that brick it's like two hundred, fifty dollars and in the brick will be placed. At Saint Mary Lee's there the Airborne Museum for all the see on their walkways from building to building the building doing that now for a year or two, and it really is is wonderful when these when these people go back to normal and they see their brick and they see their name on it sun believable and those who don't know someone can actually donate two hundred and fifty dollars to the regular legacy foundation put in the whole Mammal area brick project. Trust me we have lots of names we can put on those bricks, people do it, and then we put those bricks in the ground and it's wonderful any profits from those bricks. From the two, hundred, fifty dollars go to supply scholarships to the young men and women serve aboard the USS Ronald Reagan. You note in a piece that you wrote. When Ronald Reagan won the presidential election in nineteen eighty there were fifty six democracies in the world. When he left office in January of eighty nine, there were seventy, six by ninety four. There were hundred fourteen this explosion in freedom and democracy was a dream of Ronald Reagan's and a historic achievement of his presidency that was a truly hetty Tom for the world wasn't. Oh. Absolutely was when he came in as president back in nineteen eighty, you really look at what was going on with the cold or what was going on. With Russia and and what have you the Berlin Wall was up. There was so many. So many people behind that of freedom is what people wanted, but they couldn't get to it and even the way that President before talk about it. You know it was really well Reagan stood up and said you know this is really important to me and even but as You know the people around him who didn't want to give the tear down this wall speech you give the evil empire speech you know heat. With his heart what was right and and because of that people became free democracies reformed and. And people, you know love love the United States and it's great. Being son. We travel used to travel a lot and and around the world and and people are just still remember him how many people you know like Gosh, wish we had him back. You were so wonderful. Because of his demeanor and and just the way he was. It's so interesting I remember. During those days I was born in seventy. So those were my teenage years but I was fascinated by his ability to communicate in his strength I remembered just the awful things tip O'Neill and the like would say the Max headroom and all this you know all these horrible things and then here we were twenty thirty years later and everyone Democrats, and Republicans. Talking about him as the gold standard and it feels like I wish I wish he could have lived long enough to see the validation. I'm sure he saw it I'm sure he knew it would happen. But to see that he is the one referred to as by which every other President Democrat or Republican wants to be measured. It's it's amazing and glad I'm alive to be able to see it and what have you Nancy was able to sit until she passed you know back a few years ago because it's so important to her. But his demeanor it'd be people talk about the tax cuts. We've got this presidency that we have. But. The first big tax cut was Reagan and he Democrat Congress you had to go through it and remember the story of Tip O'Neill who goes back to his office after having dinner with my father with his wife the White House. Staff, he's GonNa. Carry the legislation. That's going to give America tax break in his staff looks like he just lost his mind. Is Disagree with everything this man says, what do you mean going to carry the legislation? You Know Pass What did the president promised you? What did he say dinner last night In tips is we never talked about taxes on that long. He didn't talk about taxes to what they talk about. You talked about the greatness of America. The goodness of all of our people have the two of us were together. From. Different sides of the aisle. Can do better for all Americans before I. Knew It. I'm having a glass of wine with the president until I restoring and today I'm telling you. I'M GONNA carry. License place that would never happen today. No. No it would not what a great legacy and I'm thankful that you're carrying it on. Walkway to victory DOT com. It's Michael Reagan of the Reagan legacy. Foundation, of course President Reagan's son. Michael. You're great guests come back and see us anytime. Anytime, take you. Thank you. Walkway to victory dot Com it's a brick program. At the I think it's at the The Airborne Museum and I guess you can. You can get it with your own name or that of someone else. I wish I'd been an adult when Reagan was president. So I could have studied him in real town better busy. Go back with through the lens of his different.

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Episode 285: The Electors Have Spoken

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Episode 285: The Electors Have Spoken

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The podcast from the claremont institute more about them in due. Course if you listen to podcasts on national review dot com directly on the corner delighted to have you but it would be easier for you and better for us he made as part of your feet at the streaming services out there from spotify to itunes. If you like what you hear here please consider giving us a glowing. Five star review on itunes. If you don't like what you hear here please forget. I said anything. So charlie not unexpectedly. The supreme court came down and said seven to. We're not going to hear this case from texas. You had alito and thomas saying well actually we should hear it but we're not gonna say we'd give texas remedy. They just have a view on these of cases of so-called original jurisdiction the supreme court basically just needs to take them up a regardless of the merits trump and others said look spring core. It just ducked out a cowardly way and relied on the technicality of standing to avoid grappling with the evidence of a fraudulent election. That's all around us sweaty. Make as we discussed last time standing not the county standing as an enormous part of the system and if applied properly which it often is not is a great guarantee tool of federalism and protector of liberty. I am not well versed enough in the doctrine of original jurisdiction to know whether in this case alito thomas were correct. My on educated view as expressed on the lost episode of this podcast was that i could not see the standing argument and that i believe conservatives would regret this case being taken and ruled upon either way it is worth reiterating that this was not a seven two decision it was not the case that two justices sided with the trump administration. Either in the specifics of this suit all the overarching claim that the election was stolen. Nobody did never got that far and the dissent from the denial was cleared to point out that this was not a decision that should be conceived of as a pre echo of any merit spaced jurisprudence. The case was weak. The justice spend a lot of time fighting over what seemed like the technicalities over the ancillary parts of the law. I cannot believe that had this reached the court. It would have been anything other than nine. Nothing it seems to me that we have reached the end of the road. This was according to the president. The big push huge news and it got nowhere. Didn't even draw one justice saying that he believed it would prevail on the merits. The electro college yesterday confirmed that the next president of the united states is joe biden. Mitch mcconnell the senate. Majority leader congratulated. Joe biden this morning for having won the election which he did this process. Look silly two weeks ago. It looks ridiculous now. Every avenue has been exhausted if that were an enormous plan. A plot if that were massive evidence of wrongdoing. If there were enough miscast or overturned or fraudulently switch votes to overturn the result. We would have seen them. I doubt that has ever been an investigation into an election as rigorous is this one. I doubt they have ever been more court cases in more different places. I doubt anyone has ever seen a case of the sort that texas brought to the supreme court. This is done and it shouldn't have taken the supreme court to tell us that. So michael one argument as i alluded to against decision as well that they didn't they didn't consider the merits. So this doesn't really tell us anything but One i it's it's kind of. It's not in this particular case. It's not technical question whether texas has the ability to challenge the election results in other states like that sort of the whole ballgame but almost simultaneously. I guess maybe the next day a federal judge in wisconsin the other trump nominee. He trump nominated this year. Ludwig he took up a case and said you know what trump team you have. Standing in in this case. And i'm going to rule on the merits of various claims and their three of them having to do with very selection procedures in wisconsin. I said none of them had any merit whatsoever. In fact one of the items. They're complaining about Forget which one exactly now but was wasn't something undertaken in an underhanded way it right before this election it was a a a rule that had been standing since prior to the two thousand sixteen election. So this has been a thread throughout lot of the decision. Smacking down the trump lawyer. Which is you could have objected to the stuff beforehand if you thought it was terrible but you didn't because you're just looking for reason after the fact to try to overturn your loss right. It's been interesting to i mean. One of the reasons the texas lawsuit should have failed even if it had standing of any kind was because the other lawsuits in the states that texas had a problem with were failing right. I mean it was sort of like an end run. attempt And what we've seen is something Josh barrow pointed out which is whenever republicans can give entirely symbolic Support to president trump in this effort. They seem inclined to do so But whenever he tries to solicit actual help from state legislators her puts the matter before judges who he appointed or who are you know republican appointees before conservatives the consistently declining to help him. And you know one of the kind of interesting things about this right has been for all the talk of trump's attempted coup. I mean this was all done out in the open lawfully and what you saw was the kind of master class that the president of the united states has no ability to pressure these local institutions in these local courts and in fact the courts have a huge ability to temper the claim that trump is making at least legally speaking right. I mean there. There are penalties for wasting the court's time with nonsense. They're penalties for making charges. You know to be false or completely unsubstantiated in court and the threat of those penalties as Andy mccarthy keeps pointing out on. Our site has consistently slimmed-down these legal challenges until they're not material to the election So yeah it's been it. It's a little weird though because we now have to track politics or at least more explicitly to track than ever of what the president is tweeting. What's being said on the you know the more populous right media networks outlets and then what's happening in court which is almost entirely disconnected from the tweets. And what's what's spreading on. Instagram and twitter and on you know oh a. n. network And i'm wondering what. I'm still wondering what that legacy is going to be. Or how long that's sustainable. You know if if there are people out there who are still think. There's some miracle way before. Joe biden is inaugurated You know what's there offramp. What is there or who do they blame. Do they turn on. Trump trump seems to You know. I don't think so. I don't think so either i mean also is is this is also partly the legacy of trump bringing in all these people who are kind of marginally attached to the system is that people were marginally attached to the system of governance. You know they're fine people but they don't know how the voting works so they don't know how to trust it. They don't know that you know they don't know about election observers and how the you know the the very mechanics of the election so there. They are more susceptible to these theories of the fixed being in You mentioned you mentioned tweets that we're recording early tuesday afternoon. right after. Mcconnell gave speech on the senate floor congratulating biden and the tweets crazier than than ever. There was a re tweets. And i know we're supposed to but by trump's telling nut retreat somehow don't count but there was a tweet of lynn Of lynnwood tweet saying that camp and raft burger should go to jail with an image of camping. Raffles burger wearing chinese communist. Party face masks. And then they're they're all these tweets about dominion still and allies about dominion switching seventy percent of the votes. so charlie Obviously trump is a no meat note mood to conceal her knowledge. Reality anytime soon and the latest tack to kinda keep this effortless theoretically alive. You had trump electors and these contested states appointing themselves. I guess as electors. I don't know how that would work. They say there's some precedent in hawaii when in nineteen sixty the governor appointed nixon electors kennedy electors appointed themselves saying the recount. Kennedy should win. Actually kennedy did win in the recount and then the governor ended up sending both slates on washington and the kennedy electric were accepted with vice president. Nixon presiding because kennedy Had actually one. But i am not sure i've seen people saying that the senate will have to congress will have to take these trump electors regardless of how absurd the fact pointing selves is. But what what's your take on this. The big picture answer to this question. Is that if this plan. Were executed represent a coup. Every system in the world has an escape hatch. Every system in the world is ultimately reliant upon its participants. Good faith we hear a great deal about the electoral college about the eighteenth century nature of our system. But you could overturn an election in any system in a parliamentary system. The president could having lost the election. He would of course be a prime minister simply call and one. I would be doable. Within a parliamentary system would also be a disgrace. The idea here is to hijack the mechanisms of our electoral system and use them to parachute the losing candidate in for a second tom. This is a totally different thing than using the system s it was designed so much nonsense spoken in our politics about the electoral college about the senate but the national popular vote for this or that about federalism. We all know the rules. The rules include the electoral college. The rules include the senate. These aren't the rules. There is nowhere in our system room for the hijacking the electoral college by alternative slate. There is nobody who went into this election or any other election thinking that if the losing candidate spent enough time complaining about the result costing aspersions about the process he could prevail upon state legislatures. Keep it open ended for as long as possible by convening alternative slates. I understand that. There is a precedent. Here i understand that there is a process here. I understand that. Technically the electoral college vote yesterday was not final. I know it can be challenged. But that's irrelevant. We are not looking at an escape hatch moment. If for example we got to january second and so much evidence of fraud came to light that the biden team said you know what lost i lost by a lot. Seventy percent of the country voted for the president's it looked. It looked different. Sure we can talk about what nurse to do in that scenario. But that's not what's happened here. This is an attempt to cheat. And i think more cynically. It's an attempt to keep alive. The hopes of people who should never have had any hope in the first place once the votes had been counted. Again it is time to move on that. There is a time during every prospective conservative victory that fringe websites such as the daily coast. Put together a lunatic scheme. Those who follow senate procedure will will know what i'm talking about. They were going to stop cavanaugh from being seated there. We're gonna make sure america island with seated there. We're gonna stop amy coney barrett from being seated. We're gonna make shoal that the senate would meet and it'd be thirty eight of them and that will be a core. According to some rule from one thousand nine hundred twenty six they found and it's risible and every time it happens conservatives love you know. They say we're allowed to win too. Well aren't like joe biden. I don't like the democratic party. He's allowed to win and he did and trying to burn down. The system is not only deeply unsportsmanlike and deeply corrosive to our culture but will set a precedent that will obviously be used in conservatives. Win this is. This is insanity. So michael you've had senate republicans now coming out. You had whole bunch yesterday. Monday that different than than the usual crew. You know. you're gonna have ask and romney to spoken out against this but this reach further into the caucus yet. Cornyn thune alexander other saying time to give this up and then as we mentioned earlier mcconnell this morning given a speech on the senate floor this is significant. Not just because these most of these people have been quite. Trump is pursued these claims but if trump's scenarios can have any hope you need the senate to accept trump electors and you have many many many more now. republicans Than you would trump trump would need to hold all three three republicans or something and the numbers now much bigger than that. Obviously they're not going to go with the rogue trump electors in any form whatsoever. Yeah i mean it's like. I said there's whenever like a real help material help in overturning. The election is solicited. It no one takes it up. You know no-one no-one elected takes it up or no one. In a position of authority takes it up. That's a good thing And you know it will be interesting though to see i you know. I'm kinda looking at some of these senatorial statements and some of the reporting in the past day. Or so about joe biden's team reaching out to mitch mcconnell And feeling out mcconnell for where there might be a possible agenda in the future But if trump himself wants to if he continues to be interested in politics and in pure attention seeking it does seem that he has the ability to kind of mute republicans or or freeze their their ability to move on past him right. I mean there has been all this like lip service and like i said maybe a few weeks ago maybe in the week after the election you know the senate senators could look at the results and say all right. Well he's taking a couple of cases to court. Let's see where this goes and then will speak out afterwards You know al gore had time to to file his suits and get his recounts so we can wait until a later point But eventually the machine starts turning. The gsa starts opening funds for transition. And this is. This is now happening so It's appropriate that the senators are welcoming the next president. I mean in a way what we're dealing with his Somewhat uncharted right. I mean there's there are no rules about what a senator has to say right in like we're we're almost like I don't know inventing this like the senators or some kind of rome in court or something who has to approve of the new caesar They're not but it is good to see them. Acknowledge reality And like. I said. I'm wondering where where those who are persisting in their disbelief in this election. Where where will they be able to turn to for comfort. If everyone carries on like normal in january thought initially the posture of most senate. Republicans was understandable. If not great You know give trump some time to process this. He should be able to pursue recounts and go into court. That's his right. But then when it when it became actively an explicitly and effort to overturn the election. They're still had their had their heads heads down at least at now there You know as as time has ticked off the clock. Now now finally. They're speaking out. But that's segue troy to the exit question to you first before this is all over. President trump will explicitly be attacking and at war with the entire republican caucus senate caucus. Yes or no tell now every instinct. I have says yes. Of course he will. But then i seen him running campaigns in georgia in favor of purdue and leffler and i'm aware that his son on junior is criticizing those who have declared war on all republicans asked his breitbart. I think he's more likely to praise the hundred and twenty odd house members and senators. Who joined with him and then disparage the others without going all out much to the see michael. Don jr. brings up an charlie brings interesting point. Don no i mean just on june bellingham. Don jr. have have a great point it really same fate. Boda is don. Jr. may have you know may be starting to nurse designs on thinking of a senate seat in his future or or some other elected office so that that would complicate the all out war with the republican party and again that's being That's being the all out war with the republican party. Sort of the province of the. What remains of the alt-right. Like these nick fuentes or these other rabble rousers that showed up at the jericho march. But you know said that their mission was to destroy the gop. i don. I don't think he's gonna go that far precisely because you know. It's the republican party. That's going to carry donald trump's legacy within itself for years to come to whatever degree And so going in all out war against that may not really being his long term interest of his legacy. Whatever that is yes. sorry. I shouldn't have used the word all all out war I'm getting more at it. Will he be denouncing senate republicans when they more of them come out with these statements and when almost none of them Support his his electors. And may maybe it's close call. But i think he will He held at some point. Denounce these guys just kind of the logic of Position let's find the kind of gives in and says okay. It's over which. I don't see him doing the logic of his position. Love love these guys in with camp ratzenberger dc and the the other alleged traitor so with that. 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He gives these these totally banal speeches with All these platitudes picked up from the floor of american politics that we had to write a a presidential speech president-elect speech in two minutes the this kind of the lines and the phrases we go to but since trump never says them or only says of unconvincingly from the teleprompter before tweeting. What he really thinks they they have. They have some power. What did you make the speech. I'm as you know. I read it. I on the page and it seemed like you know an im- a return to know it seemed like a return to normalcy. You know although that far it seemed like the kind of instantly forgettable bit of presidential. You know talk speech that you would get at any time and a little bit boring and maybe that has its virtues right after four years of trump right like the just as a matter of the national mood just getting a change from the weird blaring rhetoric of trump and his weird off the cuff asides but then when i looked at a clip of the speech biden was like fighting off a cough or trying to clears throat throughout much of it. He kind of limped on out to the podium kind of limped away because of his foot injury. And th the the if this was an attempt at like restoring the normal drama of the presidency had kind of actually failed it kind of emphasize that no this is still kind of a weird strange time and we have an we had unusual president in donald trump. And we may have an unusual one in joe biden who just seems like much frailer her and weaker than the joe biden. I think we all know from his senate career and his career vice president. So i i found like odd. I know that maybe we've been out there on the limb on this podcast about joe biden's frailty and health but like i just couldn't stop thinking about it when i looked at that clip that you know this. This is a guy who looks like he's getting sick right as i'm watching him and I don't know it just was not the kind of confidence restoring tomek that i think a lot of media outlets are looking for right now like i think the the goodwill joe biden has the mainstream media is off the charts and they're looking for ways to praise him. He's kind of undermining that effort Return with his cabinet picks and now the way he's kinda starting off his initial performance leading up to an inauguration day. Try a credit cards. Do i think is points about the election of what trump's trying to do they they landed and unfortunately they're fair and accurate enough. But i disagree with michael Sorry i i said i agreed might have sounded like i disagree. I said i just agree with michael. That I just have a terrible feeling. Normality is never going to arrive. He just seemed incredibly. Frail little bit is the lint which which will presumably go away but the cough was a little disturbing and just the this is not a vigorous presence. You know this is not what we expect from from the the american president or maybe charlie might welcome kind of a physically reduce co president right to begin to cut this office down size but just fear. There's there's gonna be some. The normality is not gonna arrive. 'cause you're gonna be some crisis somewhere along the line here. My twenty eight. Th amendment would mandate that any president break at least one of his limbs and have a cult throughout his presidency to tamp down any fervor that anyone might feel for the executive. I don't think michael you need to feel nervous about saying that. He looked frail he did even fox's aaron rupaul's picture in the dictionary under the word hack said last night that biden struggle to get through his speech. He could barely talk. He looked weak. he did. He's a seventy eight year old man. He's a seventy eight year. Old man just broke his ankle. It's the seventy eight year old man in the midst of a pandemic who although he didn't campaign vigorously will nevertheless have felt the strains look at how old brock obama looked after four years of being president. Joe biden's just starting. He's week he will not return to normal. See as the expectation is but he is a great deal. More normal than president trump. He's more normal because he's been around politics for almost fifty years. That's a bad thing in some ways. It's a good thing and others. He is more normal. Because he speaks in platitudes and generalities instead of tweeting or caps and he is more normal because this rich says in this case he's right. I have a lot of the rhetoric over the last four or five years to be ridiculous but in this circumstance what joe biden said was correct. The democratic party has an unfortunate habit of using the woods democracy to mean progressive priorities but in this context. Joe biden is right to talk about democracy. He's right to describe the electoral college meeting and certifying him. The winner of the election that he won as democracy prevailing. he's right to describe the endless low-fare and costing of aspersions a stunning. He is right to say that it is time to turn the page. It is he will not be a normal president. He's much older. he is much weaker. He comes into office without congress which is unusual. He is not particularly representative of his party. Although he may be representative of his party's voters. But i'm afraid if you put him up next to president trump the moment he's not only the normal one he's a virtuous one and that's a real shame from my perspective as somebody who is not a fan of joe biden has never been a fan of joe biden. But it's also true. I thought the speech was okay. I thought it underscored his weakness but biden has an enormous advantage. Here and that is that he is in the right. The subject of his speech was the election. He won that election. He hasn't played games with that election. He didn't prematurely claimed victory in election. He said and he hasn't tried to overturn it or finesse. It or damage trust in it and while that may not seem like a an action worthy of praise given the alternative at the moment certainly is x. Question you nbd president. Joe biden and mitch. Mcconnell will have a good working relationship yes or no. No no no. they won't. The biden administration will proceed with a lot of executive orders that make conservatives and conservative media go bonkers rightfully and. They'll just be too much pressure on the republican party to you know put on as many breaks as possible chili cook. I think they will have a good working. Relationship and biden will end up governing mostly by executive orders that will drive conservatives bonkers. Say shift the differences between barrack. Obama and joe biden are enormous so it was a piece in politico about a year ago by i think. Very isaac isaac. I've never heard it said another by. And i think it was written from a pro obama's perspective. Certainly it was full of pro obama leaks but i read it and others national review dot com read it. I know and thought that obama came out looking terrible and biden came out looking good biden according to this piece would have lawmakers into his office clothing mitch mcconnell and say what do you need. What is the line. you can't cross. What is your pace. Think about this. what can't you do. what can you do. And then obama would walk in and say republicans of raw on this question and it would blow up. I think biden will have a good relationship with mitch mcconnell. I understand that their friends and have been for a while. I think mitch mcconnell will nevertheless the line on any republican priorities. I think there is potential for compromise. You will see it. And i think because of the conflicting imperatives of the two parties biden will almost cheerfully resort to executive orders of dubious legality. That will drive us up the wall. So i guess a little bit in between the they'll have a good relationship won't be hateful relationship when there must pass spending bills that they'll be able to sit down and negotiate it out and reasonable way but does not give an inch otherwise and biden. I think eventually even though he sounded pretty reasonable on the so far about the limits of his executive authority. There's just no way he's not gonna end up pushing the envelope there out of his own frustration of not being able to get stuff through congress and and also getting pushed by his own Base and that will further incentive says mcconnell not not to not to give an inch so I guess at all up. And i'm going to say no with that. Let's hear from the next sponsor this week. The american story. It's a free weekly short-form podcast. That answer reveal remind listeners. Of the goodness of our country hosts chris flannery at the clermont. Astute explores the ideas events and people that shaped the american way of life and our understanding of what it is to be american as the united states because increasingly disunited the american story brings citizens together with stories of hope honor and dedication to the common cause of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness recent episodes feature george washington martin. 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That maybe the law-abiding states that really devoted to the constitution should go off on their own because this would be so lawful and so worthy of constitution go out on their own make their own way with separate nation then when he was pressed on this said no what what i really meant was like maybe the the non law law abiding non constitution honoring parts of the country. Maybe they'll go. Maybe they'll go off on their own so they'll be the secessionist and this has been maybe not as explicitly as allen west. Put it but this is something clear. That's been the air in the air since the election and republican hear more of it. What do you make of it. I think we ought to acknowledge upfront. This does happen. After elections in various ways after george w bush won the second time in two thousand and four widely shed me about splitting the country into jesus land. I think it was cool. And whatever the other states decided they should be termed in two thousand sixteen secession sentiment in california rose not high. I often shocked people by telling them that over. The last twenty is the state that is most pro. Most consistently is not texas but vermont is in the especially just after a plebiscite. But it's not healthy. Now there are of course circumstances in which it is necessary to revolt. It would be somewhat peculiar for champions of the american revolution such as ourselves to deny that. But what's happened here. Is that in a closely contested and fair election. One of the candidates marginally one. What's it if allen west said what he said. The day off to. Joe biden sent the military to silence his critics and confiscate firearms. Wow okay. I would join him. But i think it's worth putting this into context the one thing and let me add a caveat here. I will almost certainly be spitting fire. The biden administration once it starts governing but the one thing joe biden has said since the election other than we need to return to normalcy and to turn the page and all of that is that he's not going to do anything unconstitutional. We'll see whether he keeps his word. But he explicitly gave the example of assault weapon so cooled the argument he had with comma harris salon. Thing the guy said it seems somewhat premature to start talking about secession or suggesting that the other parts of the country secede which is a cop-out no usage we need to bring down the temperature here and keep our conversations to facts and to real injuries if you like. We need to apply strict standing. Rules to secession talk. There was no advantage to free floating. Talk of secession. One thing here. Which is my standard plea for federalism when california and many within it. Talking about secession. For years ago. I wrote a piece for the los angeles times saying you do not need to secede you need to insist on a more robust federal structure. So that you don't freak out. If the president you dislike is elected that should be the primary objective of all americans but especially conservatives who already believe in that. We need to work hard to limit our exposure to a president. We don't like it's easier said than done but it is far preferable to secession and it certainly should come before even entertaining the idea aloud so michael prior to the civil war at least there was a colorful case. That states could go out in and leave. I think they were wrong about that. I think i find lincoln's arguments really compelling but now is just settles question and what we're talking about here. You know sessions in nice word for talking about insurrection. We're talking about revolution. Charlie alludes to and probably violent revolution because the federal government is not gonna allow the the nation to be torn apart in his assets taken by by some wayward state. So this is a ridiculous fantasy but Poisonous one especially if it gets more traction yes i mean it's a poisonous won the reflect these you know the deep divisions in our country right. I mean we really do have the polarization that we've seen on partisan lines reflect real moral differences In many cases and in fact i mean the the country has this in its dna right that like if it's the early settlers were religious dissidents right who didn't want us exactly And so i think it's part of the american psyche is to imagine a way of separating from the evil within your community in refounding new one And you know that that psyche expression in many ways Through the history of the country not just with the founding new states and new communities new religions like the church of latter day saints But striking out west and and finding new frontiers California at self right was a kind of a attempt to it. it's it's kind of bound up with his idea of reinvention And escaping fate and making your life yourself so mean. I think this is just something that's going to be deep in us And yeah i mean and y- vermont have little secessionist. You know Romances during the bush years. I mean it's based on a real thing i mean. Vermont existed as a kind of independent republic for fourteen years before joined The united states. you know and asserted its independence against back in new york and new hampshire Which you know none. None of whom seem to care that much about an independent vermont. At the time was up as expected. It would join the new united states So i i don't know this is something that's within us and it's something to manage and typically the united states managed this this impulse this restarted impulse by having either new frontiers to explore externally with Open territory to claim or new frontiers in the market or in science in culture And that would be healthier than Doing this all through politics. And i expect this. Trend is going to get worse Because the moral divisions in this country are touching on and of bedrock ideas about what it means to be human and for many people there touching on core fundamental religious convictions. About you know what it is to be a man or woman or how. Society should be organized. So i i don't know if i just think this is a flare up I think allen west is a bit of a hothead i mean. He's a charismatic. One shore but Yeah i think this is just going to be a persistent temptation. In american life yeah. I reviewed this book by left. Wing guy richard kreiner couple months ago. Basically making the case for secession from left wing perspective and something that he was persuasive. Von is that this has been division has been an idea throughout our history and people very often talked about it or gotten on the cusp of attempting it but with the exception of war where it was ended up being a miserable failure by the way but otherwise. It's it's just never happened so talking about this. At least is is the norm chocolate question to you somewhere along the next four years texas or some other red state will defy and some serious way federal authority. Yes or no no more seriously than has happened over the last twenty years in various contexts including say immigration enforcement. Now i think we'll see huge numbers of lawsuits many of which will have married. I don't think they will be nullification crisis over the next four years now. Embiid heap angry with charlie. But if you the timeline out beyond for years i could definitely see nullification becoming Another another tool that gets picked up in the toolbox arguably it already has in colorado with the drug laws. I'm going to say no the agree with nbd. I thought california would try something. A second trump term. Say if there's a second there Should say second biden term right. I should say if comma harris or someone wins Another four years for for the democrats than i think you could see something more serious develop but best to tamp down this talk now and with that. 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They'll just be some zoom connecting various kitchens across the region In this agus tradition. But it's just one of these things that's built up over time and it's kind of special for the kids special for the adults really To have these kinds of excuses and reasons to get together right. It's it's it's gone from something that was kind of fun to something. That's like important And and what. The job is all days. It has to be a good time. Yeah i mean. Usually the woods funny is usually the husband's end up. You know monitoring the little ones and and watching sports because it happens on a weekend so You know usually there's some football too good and charlie you've been all spent also been engaged. Kristen activity making gingerbread house making a gingerbread house. My wife took the lead. But then i was given certain tasks for example i was allocated the job of hanging the lights. These little colored candies. That looked like bulbs. Put them all the way under the roof and around the dole. And i was so proud of it because by the time that i got to do this. The gingerbread house was beautiful. My wife had done sixty percent of it with the kids took a step back. Took a photograph and then it was the kids turn. So what we've ended up with is a genuinely beautiful gingerbread house in a yard. That looks like it is not only unmaintained but was selectively subject to a hurricane all little trees are over my two year old put random colored icing everywhere and then stuck things in it of course started to pick up anything that they could to this little mocks whether once candies so i've come to the conclusion that making a gingerbread house is actually not for kids at all because they ruin it. It's an adult so next giant. Lock them in the basement and make one of my own so a couple of episodes ago. I discussed the call of the a goal by supposedly the grace goal ever by diego mirjana. You're doing this again so close to already ruined my thanksgiving and now you're doing christmas. So a an eagle ear listener wrote in and said no richard totally wrong. That was not the greatest force call ever instead. It was called bhai. Guy named bordj below ellen. Who when the norwegian announcer and when norway beat england in the world cup in nineteen eighty-one not to be confused with argentina's defeat of england in the mid eighties. They produce the other call. Frank maintains that this is really the best sports call ever. So i'm just going to go through it and you know i. I don't have view one way or the other. I gonna be ecumenical about this. But but there's this whole subset of soccer calls particularly soccer recalls involving humiliations of the english national team that i wasn't aware of and again i'm gonna aficionado of a great sports calls so here this. He blows the final whistle. Norway has beaten england. two to one. We are the best in the world. It's unbelievable we have beaten england. England home of giants lured nelson. Lord beaverbrook sir winston churchill. Sir anthony eden clement atlee henry cooper lady diana. We have beaten all of them maggie thatcher. Can you hear me manufacture. We have a message for you under the election campaign. We have not out england for the world. Cup maggie thatcher as they say in berlin mega thatcher in the boxing bars around madison square garden. In new york your boys took a hell of a beating. Your boys took a hell of a beating maggie thatcher. Norway has beaten england and football. We are the best in the world so that. Nbd it's time for texts pictures of the british burning down the white house three hour on hour so that mvp it's time for editor's and the day. What's your pick my pick is. I hope i'm not stealing from anyone The latest andy mccarthy bucket of cold water a stunning passage from the latest court rejection of team trump Andy's been an since this Silly season launched after the election and He just points out in his piece. That under pressure from wisconsin to finally show some evidence of voter fraud or or make its claims in court. The trump team shriveled once again withdrew. any substantial immaterial charges of fraud and just went with the normal complaints about lawful elections and Anyway andy's just deserves to be commended. He is no shrinking. Violet is the exact opposite of squish and He's telling the hard truths charlie. What's your why are you laughing still just a basking glow that norwegian soccer recall that you found out about your mouth. I want to re- recommend that our listeners subscribe to kevin williamson's newsletter. The tuesday wednesday come on wednesday. 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The 1619 Project and its Challenge to the American Founding: Prof. Lucas Morel

James Wilson Institute Podcast

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The 1619 Project and its Challenge to the American Founding: Prof. Lucas Morel

"This program is brought to you. By the james wilson institute on natural rights in the american founding. If you'd like to learn more about the james wilson institute please visit james wilson institute dot org. We hope you enjoy the program. Low and welcome to the james wilson. I'm your host garrett's netted her today. We're delighted to be chatting about the sixteen nineteen project with lucas morale. He is the john. K boardman professor of politics at washington and lee university. He is the author of several books. On abraham lincoln most recently lincoln and the american founding professor merrell also teaches in the masters program in american history and government at ashland university. Summer programs for the claremont institute in high school teacher workshops sponsored by the john ash brook center the gilder lehrman institute and the liberty fund in two thousand eight. Two thousand nine. He was the garwood visiting research fellow at the james madison program at princeton professor. Morale is a trustee of the supreme court historical society former president of abraham lincoln institute a consultant on library of congress exhibits on lincoln and the bicentennial and currently serves on the us semi quincentennial commission. Which will plan activities to commemorate the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the founding of the united states. Joining us as well on the podcast is yovany trip. Triptych one of our interns at the james wilson institute. Thanks for listening for morale and it's just an absolute joy to have you with us to talk about the sixteen nineteen project and related subjects today to get started off. What do you think is the goal of the sixteen nineteen project and what hurts most significant flaws. The primary goal out. Thank you for inviting me. After all the primary goal of the project as mccall hannah jones has said on many occasions actually is to get reparations. Bill passed in congress. So she said you cannot read the magazine which had many essays about eighteen essays all in some form or fashion directed towards Explaining or demonstrating the impact that slavery still has on black american lives today. Says you can't read this magazine without coming away from it thinking that something is owed. And she's been very specific she says we need reparations. And that means a check that will be cached. Every black american and we need greater investment in black communities of need now my fundamental critique of the project where i believe it went wrong is that she tries to emphasize the contributions of black americans to american history which is valid a but she does it at the expense of white people. She in her project is teaching americans to view history as a zero sum game instead of an integrated a struggle for freedom. Which actually was i mean. That's what the history shows As what set in the modern civil rights movement black and white together. so it's so doing the kohana jones makes the nation's progress. I think more difficult to understand and therefore to discern any lessons that this history would have for us today in addressing questions of race and let me hasten to add as well that her project is not only bad history because it's incomplete and because it's incorrect in important cases but it also undermines trust that americans of all races need to have in order to do politics today in order to a little differences peacefully that is to say politically and thereby help us. Perpetuate our self-governing way of life. So why teach this. In american schools now was there some kind of historical vision to align this with four hundred th anniversary of jamestown or was that more of a convenient rationale for what had building up into a up until this point perhaps as a repudiation of the outward nationalism or patriotism of of the trump administration over the previous guess two and a half years since the sixty nineteen project really was rolled out in two thousand nineteen. Yeah i mean it was convenient that there was that four hundred anniversary of the landing of twenty plus africans at point comfort which was as you point out the english colony of jamestown in sixteen nineteen august sixteen nineteen there were slaves in the united states before that but she wants to link it to some political ancestry of america. Not spain not brands. But it's english england's on america soc that's why she pegged sixteen nineteen But you're also right to point out that this this didn't come out of nowhere It's been in the schools not sixteen thousand nine per se but the critique of seventeen seventy six. The american founding and the general traditional understanding of this country is being a good country because it's institutions are good not systemically racist and because it's ideals its principles are the best principles for not just americans but for all people i mean. That's the claim of the deck wish penance but this dates back to howard fins people's history of the united states it makes to editor of ebony magazine. Lauren bennett his book before the mayflower would she cites on several occasions as being a formative influence of On her in high school essentially giving if you will black perspective on america that does not stay consistent with what we hip traditionally understood as our heritage. So it's been building up. It's been in the schools for for decades. My students at washington and lee university. A good number of them come from prep schools. They already come thinking that the sophisticated understanding of the declaration of independence is that all men are created. Equal was never understood in principle. Right let alone practice. But it was never understood in principle to be a universal principle that we as one people were attempting to apply for ourselves. Presuming we win our war against great britain. Right we're one year into that. There was no game. We're going to succeed so this is something that has been. I would mark it as a culmination of a decades long process by which Folks on the left have been criticizing past as Indelibly marked by capitalist greed and anti black racism. You mentioned a few teams there About where the computers to the sixteen nineteen projects Place their emphasis on what they view as the core of the american founding It does seem though central that. There's an altered prison right that the original sin of slavery. is the is the poison tree which the fruit of individual rights and self government and other lofty ideals springs from is this an actual comprehensive coherent view or is this cherry-picking it's worse than cherry. Picking although she does that throughout her essay it is alternately. I would say incoherent it is a. It's blaming. I mean i when i read this in august of two thousand nineteen. It's hard to believe that it's harvey been over year when the sms. I knew it was gonna make a splash in. I assigned it in Believable with my american government class that fall and then again in my race inequality class in the winter. Spring of twenty twenty signed it. Not because i thought it was good. I assigned it because i knew it was going to be shaping what people thought about our history and therefore it needed to be addressed and so in reading her seventy three hundred word essay and also wrote a four thousand word rebuttal in for the american mind where people are interested in that. That's on the internet. Just google my name or shoring up. The title is america was founded on white supremacy. I tried to make sense of her argument in. It's incoherent in this respect. She wants america to be good. If black americans were the leading contributors to that and so she acknowledges that jefferson the slave holder wrote ideals. Were true when black people thought to make them true but she does not want to admit that they were drew simply in principle. But he got it right. I mean the what looks like the title of her essay. The title in the table of contents of the magazine says the idea of america. But when you turn to. The actual article title is not there what is instead above in the super large funt above the article and text and above. Her name is the following. Two sentences are two sentences. Our democracies founding ideals were false when they were written. Americans have fought to make them truce on the one hand. She wants to admit that. The natural rights philosophy of the declaration is the right philosophy. But she doesn't want to give jefferson credit washington credit madison credit for a fighting to attempt to secure our independence and therefore erect institutions of self-government that lincoln. Another enemy of hers will later fight to defend and preserve for subsequent generations. She wants the ideals without the men who risked putting those into print and then into practice into ultimately. I think her essay works at cross purposes with with itself. It shows progress insecure rights for black americans but wants to make the case that the history of that progress is almost entirely owing two or two black people and not wanting to give credit to both important individual whites like lincoln like jefferson like washington. Madison doesn't even mentioned madison. Amazing she comments on the constitution. And it's it's framing. It doesn't mention madison. She doesn't want credit to these. Leading black figures of our history or the tremendous goodwill of white americans all along that were necessary to win a civil war to pass and ratify the thirteenth fourteenth fifteenth amendments to a unanimous white male supreme court. Nine zero ruled to desegregate public schools in america in one thousand nine hundred eighty four brown v board of education. There were no black judges on the court. No white excuse me no black senators when the civil rights act of nineteen sixty four in the voting rights act of nineteen sixty five where past very in fact tragically too few black representatives so there must have been a whole lot of white politicians representing a whole lot of white a whole lot of white americans who were sympathetic to the cause of black america because it was consistent with the cause of america generally. She gives them no credit. She omits them entirely and just believes that these things just happen. These fatal complete only because black people fought for their rights. So as i say. The history is incorrect in incomplete and ultimately her argument i believe is incoherent because she wants the fruit. If you will of what both white and black americans who produced but only wanted to give credit to to blacks zero sum game in her mind in. That's that's just bad history on. That's actually nice. Segue to a yulon has some questions about the historical method The contributors employees on what academic credentials in the field of history. Do nicole hannah jones and the various contributors to the sixty nineteen project have. She herself is a journalist she. She majored in history at notre dame but she went on to get her master's at unc. i think a fairly reputable journalism school there. She was on fellowship there and eventually won a macarthur award. She's macarthur with a called macarthur genius grant For her journalism especially in terms of issues pertaining to black americans especially in education so her training is in journalism and in recruiting essays almost entirely by black contributors i think only one or two or historians of the actual essays dealing with history. The rest are either journalists or intellectuals an just other contributors who are phd trained historians. I don't have a problem with that. Because of some of her of are so easy to pick out you do not need a phd in history to get your history right. And she either deliberately didn't want to know the full picture or was ignorant abbott in either case to produce this essay which eventually garnered a pulitzer prize into in twenty twenty. Four commentary knocker history that the influence she's having by promoting this very shoddy history is on unfortunate and so the way the new york times is defending. It is by saying well. Her prize is deserved. And we're proud of her because of the impact that she is having even if it's the case that not every every single solitary claims she makes is a completely a factual if you will and i'm speaking in simple terms here and so interestingly enough a northwestern university history professor who was consulted. This was an essay in these essays. I don't expect them to have footnotes but they consulted historians. We don't know who who are because she hasn't been forthcoming about that. But lesley harris at northwestern she was consulted because she is an expert in in colonial in revolutionary america especially new york and leslie harris pointed out to her. Look one of the major cleans in premises of your essay. Is that the declaration of independence representing the the rationale for revolution. One of your major claims that they fought to preserve slavery. And she says. I'm going to tell you i'm sympathetic with your project. But this is factually incorrect. They said thank you. We'll take it from here and they printed it and she didn't know that they printed it until she was you interview and came out and she's like wait hold it. Didn't i saw that in there. So even when it was pointed out to her because it was pivotal to the argument she wanted to make the critique of america as essentially one long march of white supremacy and slavery being the fundamental element of that. She deliberately made an argument that she knew was not true until the short version is that there were almost no. Phd trained historians as part of the sixty nineteen project. Although the claim is consulted with some historians academic historians conservatives and even truck skies socialists rightly rejected in your times attempt to reframe the past. That's a unique against the sixteen nineteen project. What does that tell us about the sixteen nineteen project would it tells us is it is not interested in actually revising history. According to the record people use the phrase revisionist history as a priority. Usually in other words not Replacing a bad history with your own propaganda in other words. Another another version of bad history. She herself has said quote all history. Revisionism and quote. Now i think charitably understood. That could be said as well. You know each year right more. Phd's are produced more dissertations written masters d'etre and so we are uncovering more and more voices from the past. And i think that's all to the good. There was a time in our nation's history where leading historians for example of the civil warming construction period. Were propagandists this was called the dunning school and they were giving version of the civil war and especially reconstruction and the post reconstruction era that deliberately. Subverted what we knew and now definitely know was true in terms of why the civil war was fought what games were made reconstruction. And it's a failures now with all histories revision. What she's trying to basically say is therefore you know the traditional history or what you would call the mythology of america that that's been taught for us for decades if not centuries why can't we quote unquote reframe our past. And so she says. He said explicitly about her project in her essay in her words. She has said it's not history quote unquote she says. It is reframing our passengers may be playing with semantics here but essentially she's basically preaching from the critical race school which says there really is no truth out there to be revealed or uncovered. What's important is power. It's all about power it's and therefore who gets to write the text books who teaches especially at the elite level who trains the teachers of today. And tomorrow these are the people who will be shaping our culture and so what she thinks is. The important thing is not so much that i get all my history right. The important thing is is that i present a different We we never say story today. We say narrative for some reason that's supposed to sound more sophisticated so the important thing is reframing the narrative what is it that the american people remember about their pass. How how do they view it and in her mind. They need to see that. Slavery is a much more profound influence on this nation's of development. And she used to say that the sixty nineteen date is as important of founding. Seventeen seventy six day have walked that back while the new york times and she has walked that back and she says not an. I wasn't saying it was literally the founding. I've just meant it figuratively. Or what have you but the bottom line is. She is attempting to present a history as if it really isn't it doesn't have to be factually correct in every detail. What's important is our sense of who we are identity. And what is shaped that. And she thinks. Slavery needs to be more Palpable in the minds of americans regardless of color And to that extent choose a part of the power structure today right. She got the new york times to give me tire issue of their magazine to this project of her. She was the lead curator. She wrote the lead essay now. She's got a book project Several books in line a graphic novels. She's got a movie tv series with lionsgate. That she's working out with oprah and so she of the culture shaping process right now and it will be interesting to see what her books say given. All of this criticism left right and center. You kind of anticipated eh. our next question. Which is do you think it's fair to say that the contributors to the sixty nine thousand nine project are guided by cultural marxism and the frankfurt school sort of with the modern update as applied to critical race theory. Well yeah i don't. I'm not gonna draw a straight line from the frankfurt school to Each individual contributor to her. I think it is fair to say though that what makes the project cohere what brings it. Altogether is the notion that the effects of slavery where people call a legacy effects of slavery and of segregation which he calls american apartheid that the effects of those still linger today so it is twenty twenty right. Were soon to be in twenty twenty one and everything from traffic patterns to why we consume a sugar and also relevant things like cultural development. I mean this. She was not the first person to explain how much black people had contributed to america's cultural political and economic development. But but it. It's definitely the case that the critique of capitalism for example flows from from that school. And yeah as. I'm repeating myself here but generally speaking what makes the sixteen Nineteen project a project. The oneness of it is this same that our history has been indelibly shaped by anti black racism. She actually Dna can't believe that she says anti black. Racism runs in the very dna of this country. And even my students caught that and they said wait a second. If it's in our dna we can't get rid of it right unless you come up with some kind of political crisper some kind of way that you can transmogrify the national mine and of course the sixty nine hundred project might be an attempt certainly as attempt at that they just thought named after Asked that question a panel that i presented on constitution day. Two years ago at wwl one of my students asked the fellow. Panelists will if it's in our dna what could could we possibly do to get rid of or to to extract this anti black racism from the system. Right in there was no. They didn't do very good answer to that. Now i i would venture to to to ask if it can't be excited from the system. Is it more of a Subspecies of grievance politics. Because if it's not a matter of finding a solution is it a matter of more just chronic management And always sir trying to kind of tease out How a political controversy In the present can be viewed through Another lens in the end. I guess my fall onto that is Well then won't you just have a a kind of a race to the bottom Between different lia either interest groups Kind of grievance politics But through their own versions of sixteen nineteen project obviously The sin of chattel slavery is is indeed The one that has sort of been blessed by a blast bud but but has been ordained by the state or was ordained by the state for For as long as it had been. But i mean there's plenty of groups in america that can claim Unfair treatment throughout the years. And then You know if you set this precedent then we're we're going to draw the line right and yeah certainly. Native americans are going to be the first in line for that which is really sensitive on that topic if you watch what she writes. She's becoming more careful on twitter in fact when she had to start walking things back that were incorrect. She deleted much of her twitter. History that dealt with the sixty nineteen project and thankfully in my own critiques did screenshots of the things that she said Not knowing she was going to delete them. But i've done a curriculum review with regards to the sixty nine hundred project. That will come out. I think in a few weeks and part of that. My footnotes three or four of them have to just say screenshot by lucas around. Because it's no longer haunt witter. She was so you know nervous about what people were seeing the history and so she just got rid of it. Anyway what what you say about grievance management. I think that's charitable i think at minimum. They're doing that but notice. If the system is bad changing laws are going to be effective. What do you have to change. You have to change the regime. I am not saying. Don't quote me as saying that. I think nicole hannah jones is trying to foment rebellion and revolution g. Is making a good of money right now. Giving talks about sixteen nineteen project. I think she would be killing the golden goose if they're in this country however she was encouraged by the riots this summer where people were spray painting sixteen. Nineteen august fourth. She said i should get photo credit for this and when my mentor charles. Kesler wrote in the new york post that we should call these the sixteen nineteen riots. She tweeted that day. Thank you i am. I would be honored. Joe here is someone who thinks if you will that. The revolution can be managed. It can be corralled that somehow you can express this violence against property and people in some cases and not have lasting subversive effects on the rule of law in this country. The rule that she is quite the beneficiary of as i am is we all are When it works. And when we buy. And so i think that the charitable view is it. It's just gonna be you know. Interest group power politics in the lesson. Being may being taught here is. I hope you're in the majority because if you're not you're don't have rights to the majority is necessarily bound to respect at worse. If you teach people again that we are systemically evil racist and then making systemically. Sexist makes us the blank like you say then the the only logical and coherent answer is well. We need a new constitution. We need a new regime not just lost a new regime and our tell you that As i teach this course on race inequality. I have been teaching black power more than i have in the past because black lives matter and this thinking that is in line with nicole hannah jones. This is all out of stokely carmichael. Charles hamilton's nineteen seventy-six book. Black power where they talk about. They actually use the word. Systemic racism the racism. And this is the late sixties when it was written that racism will no longer be a matter individual racist individual acts of racism. No we have to start teaching people that it is a system that is racist. That is the politics it's economic that capitalism it reflects white racism routine people saying that today manner faculties if it doesn't even require argument in his also did the playbook for movement for black lives and black lives matter. Read the first two chapters of of black power. It's all there. We're going to move onto a what is perhaps you are Your most fertile ground Talk about The the civil war era as as as as instructive to on this sub- this discourse what we're trying to understand is Did the of the thirteenth fourteenth and fifteenth amendments view the problem of inequality in the same way that she views inequality or or is there a notable difference. While i mean the fundamental difference would be is We'll look Thirteenth amendment of course was the follow up the coda the in capital letters to lincoln's emancipation proclamation. Which of course. She doesn't want to give him credit for and she did. She would follow her her her muse laurent bennett and saying that lincoln was reluctant emancipated. But we can talk about that later. If you want so the thirteenth amendment abolish slavery but of course simply abolishing slavery doesn't make you a full-fledged citizen of this country the remaining question was now what Are they going to be citizens or not and eighteen. Sixty six the congress again all wipe congress passed the civil rights act but it was being frustrated in in the south and so to give it more teeth. They decided to put into the constitution. By way of what eventually became the fourteenth amendment. But we know as today as you to processed Equal protection under the law. Privileges or immunities. unity's as well as If you're born in this country with some exceptions of course birthright citizenship is controversial but with some exceptions but on the main. If you're born in this country you're a citizen of this country. You're young american citizen. That's what the fourteenth amendment did in the fifteenth amendment. Said that in order to vote that you couldn't use race or previous condition of servitude as a bar so those those the arguments made for those were made by so-called radical republicans. Again all white men who decided that the that the civil war really meant something. It wasn't at the end simply just preserving the union which was important enough and sufficient enough for a war to be fought and that certainly what lincoln argued but ultimately that's civil war also produced the liberation of four million black americans and so they were trying to codify that in the supreme law of the land and so to do that. They made arguments based on the declaration of independence. I mean you just got the the speeches are there. And to that extent took accent that she agrees with that outcome. She agrees with with the the principals without giving credit to the white men who issued those those principles. Her problem is that her arguments are more in line with the white supremacists like Stephen douglas lincoln's nemesis in illinois and roger tawny the author of the eighteen fifty seven hundred scott case where he said in cheap rightly pointing out that they that his claim is that the founders did Did not believe that had any rights that the white men was was bound to respect now. His history is wrong but she affirms his wrong history so that she can reinforce her argument that this country is systemically racist. If we were systemically racists you couldn't amend the constitution along the lines of the systems ideals which are found in the declaration of independence and so I i wouldn't say that. Her approach Falls in line with the authors of the reconstruction amendments even though of course she agrees with the outcome of those amendments. Ethnical glitch on my end but but you'll von tells me that I think you. I think you actually answered. What was my next question about The have a sixteen thousand nine projects. Contributors ignore how The eighteen sixty five through eighteen sixty eight period may have perfected. Seventeen seventy six. So would you be kind to dallas About more general claims of racial injustice in america in america present why has the term equity replaced equality power those firms employed in the discourse around the sixteen nineteen project. Yeah that's a good question In the wake of george floyd Killing a it's almost uniform across my employment in in other words. Higher education universities and colleges in this country if they didn't have them already Categorically are hiring in establishing institutions of what are known as diversity inclusion in equity. So you can't just as far as i know. None of these places are called departments of equality. It's all equity diversity in inclusion and people are making their establishing their their expertise in their their their phd's on developing more in more slices of these particular Ways in which they do not think terms like equality in fairness. Cover everything right. You can be diverse. But you can't but it doesn't guarantee inclusion or vice versa so had an equity come to replace something as fundamental equality dating all the way back in seventeen seventy six. I think it has to do with. James lyndon johnson famously at a speech at howard university i think it was nineteen sixty four sixty four sixty five where he said that it's not enough to provide equality of opportunity after we have to create a situation where the outcomes are equal as wealth. Gay and so the focus on outcomes rather than guaranteeing equal playing field. What do i mean by an equal playing fields but the fourteenth amendment says and what it says about the supreme court on the building equality under the law of the very thing. That frederick douglass said if we need it you wanna do justice for blacks in this country equality under the law do that and you will not have quote unquote the negro problem as it was said back then outcomes. The emphasis on outcomes means equity is more important than equality. It's not enough to say. Well look you know that you need good grades you know. Be a good you know test scores. You know that you need all this extra curricular stuff and if you do that you can get into the elite schools of this country. Nope we measure that. And determined that a certain cohort of this country. Let's measured by race is not sufficiently quote unquote represented in other words that all the racists. Aren't you know. Proportionately represented at the most prestigious schools in this country. Then by definition there is something happening. That is unfair. And in in in inequitable and therefore equality is not enough. We can look to the outcomes to determine if you will whether this country is still racist. What's his name candy. Which mexican how do we. Yeah how how to be. Antiracist it's not enough to say i am not a racist my parents weren't racists. My ancestors. never enslaved anybody. They were irish. They had their own discrimination when they when they came off the boat. If you will. That's not enough. You can't nobody can be neutral either if you are not actively doing something to promote our two or to or to to promote true diversity inclusion and equity in this country you are part of the problem if you're not actively doing something to change the status quo by definition. You're white supremacist. I was called a white supremacist by a tenured professor at middlebury college. In anticipation of a debate that i was going to participate a battle over the sixteen nineteen project. He said that my ideas were the ideas of a white supremacist. Even though perceived a picture of me or know anything about me. I did send from Dominicans from I'm a if you will black dominican. I'm of hispanic heritage but my ideas reflect the ideas of a white supremacist. Because i'm devoted to lincoln and devoted to the principles that jefferson laid out the declaration of independence. That's where we are at right now where it doesn't the that the reason and the argument that you have to offer for four and against These claims about america being racist. I mean these are now made simply as assertions right in kenya again is making a mint Giving these lectures. I don't i don't even know if i don't know how he has time to to teach. He gave a lecture at my university a month or two ago. He's been doing this all over the country by zoom which makes it even easier. Mind that But he's he's making and here's a guy who actually criticizes capitalism is certainly the beneficiary of it and so again. These guys are making arguments that that are at cross purposes with themselves. You know it it does. It does strike me that the shift of focus on On equity rather than inequality is is actually aimed toward a certain kind of a victim porn. I think build off of primarily Who are the you know. The largest Racial demographic in the country it's Whites and in particular. Who are the readers of the new york times primarily white progressives in white liberals Who have a certain amount of guilt that i think on They as as readers of the new york times are probably wealthier than the national median income. So i wanna ask Kind of is this the sixteen nineteen project and it's focused not on equality but equity Sort of the aspirational goal of putting yourself in the position of an a relatively well off white liberal. Is that the goal. Because if you can go to bed at night saying that you've secured legal equality but there's still problems for racial minorities in the country. Maybe what keeps you up at night is equity not equality. that's fair. a number of people have made arguments along these lines in terms of the the white guilt. That us out there that as long as there is there are disparities then therefore you can extensively lake the claim that something is still wrong in this country and you and you obviously cannot blame the victim for this debt. You certainly don't do that. Outland on any college campus Shelby still has written on this. Johnny orders written on this tom. Wolf wrote about this A decades earlier. Novelist tom wolf. Who bump out of the vanities in so a unfortunate thing about this that i that i would just add to it is that it actually reinforces the notion of white supremacy because as long as blacks can play the victim card in this respect in other words the the disparities with we suffer are not our fault but the fault of a system that was each established and currently maintained by people who don't look like us i e white people it really does. Give almost a god-like status to whiten in this country. The very thing that they're trying to get rid of white supremacy they're actually making arguments that reinforce the notion that whites have all that power. Ralph ellison one of my favorite novelist teach in my racing quality class and other classes. He he he he rift on this in one thousand nine hundred eighty two when he talked about He named an electric power company. Monopolized light empower. But then he goes on to show how the narrator who's a black man is actually lighting his apartment with six with thirteen. Hundred and sixteen light bulbs and continuing to add. He's drawing all this power from the so-called monopolized light and power and they don't know where the power is going. They can't them because they don't know where it's going. He's that clever. He's that inventive. And he's black in america white. He's this little hidden. Thomas edison in this this this apartment. You know on the border of of harlem in new york and so robinson was trying to establish her. Show us that. Yeah there we have been in white supremacists country in many respects. But in the meantime blacks haven't just simply been the victims of that power structure they've been able to establish ways of living to survive in some cases thrive until the reason i'm pointing. This out is that we have got to find ways that i believe we can base upon the original understanding of humanity the natural rights of political philosophy of the declaration of independence much of which we get from lock not entirely but much we got from john locke that old fashioned notion of equal individual rights. Not this the this emphasis today on diversity inclusion in equity that seemed to deal with the surface more than. What's actually there. What's actually the things that we actually Share in common in so the move away from nature the move away from god to these sorts of constructs i think are highly problematic and at the end in the end i think our big counter to the fundamental basis of the american regime. Let's start a little bit about what's being done to Push back on the sixteen nineteen project. I perhaps a our listeners are are not familiar with the seventeen. Seventy six commission But what do you think about that effort I don't know a whole lot about it. Beyond that one press conference that they had My former boss. Larry arnn when he was at the claremont institute grad student. He was my boss then and now the head. The president of hillsdale college. I believe moderated that event bill mcclay a professor university of oklahoma. Who wrote a great american history book called land of hope and allen gals. Oh three time. The only three time winner of the lincoln prize You know a great historian of the civil war and of lincoln wagner for lincoln. He was there and then others in. I read president. Trump's speech and i don't think it could be faulted But i haven't had the time to go and listen to all the other stuff so the idea that History as it is being taught it is having ill effects precisely because it it teaches our children that there is that that america's unlovable right if you teach them that were stemming racist will nobody wants to be a descendant of that and that means you're open you're open to other options and alternatives. I think that that has to have to keep in mind here. We have to get our history right. There's nothing wrong an honest about our pass. What we shouldn't blow things out of proportion nor should we omit things that are part of the record so we should be honest about our past. It's but it's not all works There are many good things in the all. We actually know when we've made process of progress precisely by referring to these older notions of equality government by consent individual rights etc and so There's let's let's teach history right. Teach that that an actually more engaging to learn when you learn that america didn't you spring forth hole in perfect form from george washington's head or jefferson that this country is the tropic of debate discussion argument and tragically. We had a war to decide whether we were going to stay on that track or not but for students they should by all means learned that this country was the product of these arguments. Let's read those arguments. Look at those debates. Let's look at what they considered the pros and cons of establishing country faced on human equality. Can people really govern themselves. It had never been done before Not not done for long. that's for sure. And that's why they call it. A nobu orders tacoma new order for the ages right mystery right but let's also not only our students are imbibing a bad or incorrect history and in some cases propagandistic it. I think it will ineluctably. Have civic imp is detrimental civic impact. We are going to be taught not to trust one another and it's going to be based on superficial things right if you read an entire essay where white people are all vice and black people are all burnt you. What does that mean. What of effect does that have on a white kid at a black kid. What are they gonna think about each other. And what are they going to have to do. Especially the white kids went straight to the black kids the white citizens to demonstrate to the black citizen that they're on their side right. You're not gonna be open to many arguments right. You're just going to adopt this new notion of what we call today. Whoa kness in this country. You're going to have to say well if this is what it means to be a good and righteous person. I guess we need to have all of these offices of diversity inclusion inequity. I guess we need to have Continue for example affirmative action. I guess we need to do things. Were color race. Ethnicity take on greater prominence in our public policy rather than lesser. It is it is a bit distressing that it seems like the way out of this through right. We're not gonna be able to ignore these these these kinds of questions because I think that The challenges as you said before Actually at the regime level. But i think it's i think it's healthy to have to try the every every now and then defend You know the principles on which the country was founded and make the kind of a defense of the rightness of the american Form of government but even beyond form of government. Just the argument for why even have american exceptionalism in k through twelve education. It's either been denigrated or art. It's been Ignored altogether on you. See any kind of willingness to sort of grapple with that challenge You know in in secondary schools So that this is not something that can be as you said like fate accompli that the sixteen nineteen project is Just accepted and it's promulgated without challenge. Yeah i do. i'll just give you an anecdote from my own. And i'm just one professor not a. I don't believe this is true for most professors. But i have For for many years been involved With darius outfits like the ash brook center at ashland university gilder lehrman institute in new york liberty fund in indianapolis. We have been putting on workshops for high school teachers History civics social studies teachers middle school through high school. And i tell you. These teachers who participated in workshops are hungry for the latest scholarship. They want to know a note from experts. So the problem is who are the experts right. So i'm doing my this is my widow's mite contribution we're grateful to be targeted one of those experts today. So what i do is i. Don't go in there saying rush. This book read my article. And these are the truths you must know about american history. What i do is precisely what i mentioned earlier. Which is say haha. What about the civil war. What were the causes. This is what lincoln thought this is. What jeff davis thought this is. What al denner stevens thought. This is. what. James henry hammond thought so we actually read primary sources. We don't read textbooks. We don't read secondary or tertiary literature we look at the primary sources and then we look at the debate and we go well. These were the farewell speeches that were given by senators from mississippi florida alabama. Explaining why they weren't gonna show up to work in february or march because they're states has succeeded. What were the arguments that they gave. I'm not gonna tell you. The civil war was about slavery. Let's see what they thought. It was about And what about. What were the abolitionist saying. What was lincoln saying what was seward or chasing so there is a hunger and a desire among high school teachers. They are devoted to their craft. If you ask them they're not. They're not going to say what i'm teaching propaganda. What i'm teaching is. This is the the doctrinaire way of about the past. But not all the high. Not all the workshops are like this some are bringing the hired gun in that that that history professor is going to tell you the truth about our past. Sit there and take notes. That's not my approach. That's not the approaching institutions. That i work with. We look at the primary sources. We look at the debates. We look at the arguments and we let the teachers draw the conclusions as they will and this is part of their continuing education. What's called pd professional development. The teachers have to do this to maintain their credential. And there's of these workshops a lot of times get stipends. They get resources to get book. Sometimes they're flown to places historic places to learn over six straight years. I lead a two and a half week. A program that began in philadelphia went to on bus to get us berg and then we came to washington. Dc thankfully. We didn't have to get on a plane for those three cities. Guess what we did those three cities we looked at the founding looked at the civil war and then we look at the civil rights movement. I brought in an expert to give a speech in the experts at inside books and talk with the teachers one by one. And then i taught at all of those sites so we get a sights and sounds seminar if you will on the founding civil war and the civil rights movement you know for teachers from every state of the union And there are other institutions that do the third one. We actually got a grant from the department of education for six years to do it. So i've got james mcpherson gary gallagher pores of the gettysburg battlefield. I mean it was awesome and so these are the sorts of things. I think that are out there for teachers. But i would say that. Not all of them. Approach it the way. I have been involved with it in so so we'll see but right now sixty nine thousand nine hundred is the vote right. It's all the rage and it's in. It's an all the fifty states. The new york times actually sold out their new york times magazine issue. And they don't intend to republish it. Because i think they've got this new book coming out in so what you have to do is go online to the pdf. But they actually when they sold out. They raised money to to distribute it to school districts across the country and if you go to the pulitzer not the pulitzer prize but the pulitzer center for journalism at that center. They have some lesson. Plans graphic organizers and they're also soliciting ideas of lesson plans and curricula that there's not just in history but in english departments for example at the high school level. What they've already to take the sixteen nineteen project to their students and so It's yes in a way. It's a fate on complete. But i think as more and more criticism comes to lie. The teachers will will will need to to shape their their curriculum accordingly. So that the students don't just hear nicole. Hannah john's version. Yeah we're probably going to be Coming to a finish soon. But we'd be remiss if we didn't inform our listeners about your your new book on and you'll von in particular had had a question That i think ties ties up what we've been discussing nicely with professor morale. You are renounce color of president lincoln and you just recently to publish the book lincoln. The american founding. Would you be tell me how does your new book. Lincoln bears on the subjects. Come this custody. I think In thank you for mentioning at lincoln in the american founding was published in june. It's a short book. Intended to be short. So it's four of the lay person even though it comes from a scholarly perspective. It's about one hundred. Twenty eight hundred twenty five pages. Long and essentially a primer on what linkin learn from the founding to address the crisis of his time. And i think these are lessons. That can still apply today so chapters on george washington. Next chapter is on the declaration of independence. The next chapter is on the constitution than a chapter. A chapter on slavery right. You can't look at the constitution and the declaration that realized whom we made some compromises there and then the final chapter is on original intent. If you can believe that lincoln actually talked about that in speech eighteen sixty in so what what i what i hope the reader learns is that we can look to some good things in our past if you will. Systemic things like the principles of this regime like the institutions of liberty like in the constitution and the bill of rights and civic ways of living like the rule of law. And the fundamentally spent in this age. If there's any lesson to be learned from my book that can be applied. Today is the importance of the rule of law coming off of this summer in this election. We'll see what happens. Under a biden presidency yard have Patrisse cullors one of the three co founders of of black lives matter essentially demanding audience with the new president. Saying look you wouldn't be president but for the black community this country The vast majority of whom voted for you. What are we gonna get out of your presidency in other words. How are you going to make good on what you think. This country owes two blacks. Because you yourself have said right biden says that we're systemically racist he he he's woke and so What what i. I hope our for for the reader is that that they can learn how important something as mundane as following the rules and keeping your hands to yourself and following orderly processes of law and courts in order to redress grievances that this is the way the fundamental american way that we solve our problems. We solve them peacefully not through vandalism not through looting not the rioting and not through intimidating demonstrations. And if you're wondering well what a. What on earth is intimidate dating demonstration. Google or youtube The mayor of minneapolis when he attended a demonstration. What's his name addict fry and asked him if he was going to abolish the police department through his mask he says. No i'm not gonna de-fund the police and the organizer through her bullhorn said than get the blank outta war and he my goodness he walked through that crowd that on my view was becoming increasingly hostile. It could only have taken one or two people to shove him to would have turned into a mob that is not democracy that is not a republican way of ruling ourselves. I'm in favor of a protest and in favor of peaceably assembly peaceably in that necessarily with an order And so. I'm i'm afraid that we've gotten to a point. Where if people are morally indignant or write this indignation that it's enough to be passionate an order to be justin in that that that equation. I don't buy. And i think it's un-american and i think ultimately it would undermine the very rule of law that people want and enjoy for themselves that's rather Hopeful note to end on sometimes when we finished our discussions on darker notes. We have to recall. Woody allen's Line that. I'm sorry i couldn't leave you with Something more positive will you accept two negatives instead But that's a that's a. That's a better. That's a better sentiment to leave us on a professor lucas morale. Thank you so much. For being with us on our podcast. We'll make sure to include on our website and on our podcast page Information on howard listeners can get your Your new book on lincoln and the american founding and we look forward to seeing you in person. The next time we're allowed to venture beyond our homes again but Until then thank you so much. Thank you thank you on. This program has been brought to you. By the james wilson institute on natural rights in the american founding. 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Republicans Don't Want to Win  | PM Show

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Republicans Don't Want to Win | PM Show

"It it's that time time mocking load full michael. Very show is on the air in there. You can't hey camera over. Your body ruled out there every day. What is this miami beach early. abstract with. Chuckers is safe excited about the program we have for you. Today are second of the show will be conversation with professor angelo coda via i discovered discovered professor kota via one day when rush limbaugh was reading an article. And if you know much about rush. He doesn't spend a lot of time reading from other people's writings he has something to say. Says it himself but he was so impressed with this article which was an excerpt from a book about the ruling class and the ruling class or the people in government democrat in politics and media democrats and republicans versus us. The country class the peasants. It's very european Eighteenth century style stuff but he made some great points in inrush loved it and read it. I i rushed to get it and read it and it gave me a whole new way to think about and talk about these new vernacular a new Way to describe what's going on and amazingly so much of what he talked about has continued to be true and trump really laid that bare trump really laid bare that the democrats and republicans have much more in common with each other. Then they do you and that the republicans are really. This is my addition to it. But it's part of the same theory. The republicans are really the washington generals to the democrats harlem globetrotters the republicans. Don't want to win. they don't need to win. they don't have to win but one thing they're not going to do is they're not going to put their best effort forward and beat the globetrotters because the show is that the globetrotters win. That might seem hard to process michael. Why wouldn't the republicans want to win because doing what it takes to win. As donald trump showed us means making yourself a social outcast to do what it takes to win to say the things and enact the policies that it takes to win would put out side of polite society. It would mean your kids couldn't go to the right private schools. I mean your kids couldn't go to harvard or friends in dc or yale it would mean you could not be invited to attend the parties in the salons of georgetown. You wouldn't be invited to be on the prestigious faculty of universities at john. F kennedy school of government at harvard. It would mean that you can't serve on the board of the fortune five hundred companies. Which is why when you're done with politics as where you get your big paycheck so if you do those things if you do what trump did you actually try to fix the problems. Then you become a social pariah and the mitt romney's john mccain's and and jeb bushes. They won't stand for that. They won't have that and via really influenced my thinking about those sorts of things and you see so much of what he talked about in. What's going on in washington dc. Today it's why marjorie taylor green has to be kicked out of the republican party. Why mitch mcconnell said. She's a cancer. It's why liz. Cheney must be protected. It's why the republicans who voted to impeach trump will be protected while those who defended him will be called. Terrorists white supremacists. It is very important to the ruling class that this whole tea party. That morphed into trump that morphed into maga- it's very important that it not just be defeated at the polls that it be marginalized. It's violent that's why january. Sixth is their waterloo. It's the most important moment of the last twenty years. That's why the narrative has to be that this was the most violent massacre in the history of mankind. We've never had anything like this. This was the rape of the savvy. Beans this was a historical act of savagery. An anyone associated with it must be destroyed. Not just trump. who now must be impeached. But josh hawley and ted cruz and everyone else and everyone of you every one of you who went there everyone of you. Who in any way has ever posted anything. And that is the justification upon which big tech can close your account and do so without seeming like sensors without without seeming like sad jesse's or or islamic mullah's silencing people they can do so because they're not silencing dissent they are silencing nazism fascism fa- minting violence now they won't silence antifa or black lives matter because in the salons of georgetown in the pages of the magazines like the atlantic these are organizations that are organs of discontent they have their vehicles by which the young people express their frustration. And hey if some people have to be beaten or killed if some police officers have to retreat or die if some police departments have to be de funded if some small business owners have to have their business destroyed burned to the ground. These are just the costs of avoiding being overly heavy handed. We don't want chicago. Nineteen sixty eight again in the chicago. Seven we want to show that the chicago seven the government. Now we want to show how open minded we are. And that's why we do things as a ruling class like a six foot five inch man competing in women's sports to show that we're not against transgenders. We must take everything to its logical extreme. That's why black lives matter can never be called violent because to do so would make you racist because blacks had such a hard time of it that now we're going to let the worst element of blacks conduct warfare on middle class blacks and call this progress. We must support the youth and their open mindedness and their their willingness to experiment in their frustration with their parents so if they organized as antifa that we won't stop them from their actions and when we do we won't arrest them in when we do. We won't hold them and we'll on so lot to get to masking big discussion coming up next basin that i get from the show that i don't seem to get from other places. The michael berry show hand. Larry only leaked camera over voting old out there every day. What is this miami beach harley. Abstract would chuckers if readily cattleman. Open letter that was posted yesterday by two doctors now granted. I don't know these doctors and they might be absolute kooks the might be but i thought what they had to say was interesting. Their names are tim. Powell and john powell one of the sites. I follow one of the people. I follow is a woman named jennifer cabrera who's been writing about public health policies since the beginning of cohen and she reads and writes about this all day long and she posts all sorts of you know studies comments updates and she posted this and it has a lot of graphs from the cdc tobacco up the points and the world health organization just using the actual hard data. Well i'm just gonna regional lender their practice practices called the evergreen family medicine. It's called evergreen family medicine and again. These guys might be complete goose but what they had to say. I thought was worth hearing about masks especially because now. There's talk of people wanting to do to masks in even fao. She came out and said to. Mass is not better than one. You need to be doing to masks all right. I'm gonna read you the letter. Masking the science january twenty fifth. Twenty twenty one we have purpose purposely avoided directly confronting the issue of masks because it is such an emotional and political issue like waving a red flag in front of a bull topic elicit strong emotions. Which overwhelm reason. We were mask in the hospital. In don n ninety five mask gone and gloves when we see a patient known to have covid nineteen masks are used for source control when patients are admitted with various types of infectious respiratory diseases. After the visit we dispense of the gown gloves and change into our regular surgical mask to continue our patient rounds in public. We wear a cloth mask to comply with executive orders and as a courtesy to others who feel afraid in uncomfortable. Light most of you. We rarely washed the mask. We stick it in our pockets. Pick it out of the glove compartment. Are off the floorboard when we need it. In truth we wish masked masks worked in truth. We wish masks worked if they did it would be a cheap and easy way to control the spread of covid the idea that they protect not only their wearer but also those people around them seems noble. Wished mask work because citizens are spending billions of dollars on them. We wish masks worked. Because most americans wear them now telling them it was. Unnecessary will not make them happy. We wish masks worked because they have become a symbol for virtue and social responsibility. Anyone who doubts their utility is personally attacked as though they don't believe the viral pandemic his real or don't care about those who die from it. We wish masks worked because they distract from other important and related issues such as school closings. Lack of access for non covid related illness. Increased mental illness elderly dying alone missed youth experiences substance abuse suicides increased poverty and suppression of free speech censorship of science disruption of supply chains government agencies use to oppress small businesses of religious gatherings travel disruptions isolation protocols modeling over actual data quarantines lockdowns contact tracing and global harm of the economy that most impacts the working class vulnerable and poor. We wish masks worked but they don't. At least not. The cloth and surgical masks see in the public arena. They litter the landscape and the waterways. They're difficult for people with disabilities and small children. It promotes natural germaphobe tendencies and indoctrinates the young to see their fellow humankind as a sack of germs. There have been there have been many randomized control. Trials are ct's and meta analysis previous studies that suggest that masks do not work to prevent influenza like illnesses or respiratory illness transmitted by droplets and aerosol particles which is what covert is. This knowledge was the basis for the world health organization and the cdc recommending against the public wearing of masks in the spring of last year it was repeated by authorities and experts at every level. Dr jerome adams. The surgeon general tweeted at the time. Seriously people stop buying masks. They are not effective in preventing the general public from catching corona virus. At the time. Dr anthony fauci told sixty minutes. There's no reason to be walking around with a mask. in april. The new england journal of medicine wrote quote. We know that wearing a mask outside of healthcare facilities offers little if any protection from infection was changed. Well it wasn't the science. All studies are not equal. The gold standard of medical evidence comes from randomly controlled studies recent observational studies. That were used to support mask. Mandates were poorly designed for confounding factors carried out medical environments and then impressions were extrapolated to the general public studies that evaluated the viral exposure of mice in a cage covered with masks material versus caged mount mice. Without a mask cover does not seem to translate world well to a world of humans who used their hands. In contrast a recent danish masks study of the general public that was performed in a prospective randomized. Fashion did not endorse the current majority narrative and was vigorously criticized and suppressed by a new drug. Medical product or procedure would never be approved based on this type of evidence. Logic argues against mask effectiveness. The size differential between viral particle or droplet size expelled from the human respiratory tract. Compared to the filter size of surgical or cloth masks is substantial. If you read the fine print on most consumer masks while we'll likely see a statement such as this not intended for medical purposes and has not been tested to reduce the transmission of disease. The best studies are outcome based and measure patient oriented. Evidence that matters. A pharmaceutical company may show their statin drug greatly reduces cholesterol and science can show a correlation between cholesterol and heart disease so the obvious premise is at lowering. Cholesterol reduces risks of heart attacks. Except it doesn't at least not for primary prevention in patients without pre existing vascular disease. It's why you must do. The study. Does the intervention work in real world conditions in august pew. Research reported that eighty five percent of americans said they wore masks in public all or most of the time. If this is so and if masks are effective why has the incidence of covert increased so rapidly wiser not favourable correlation between mask usage and disease transmission in countries and states would different mask policies if masks and were lockdowns work. Why don't they work. I'll finish the article coming up and it will be posted to the blog within five minutes. Michael berry show dot com ours ours and a few thoughts from those are michael berry show knowing weekends fly camera over. Get your bony old out there. Every day what miami beach abstract chuckers if back to the editorial doctors if masks and lockdowns work. Why don't they work. The graph below shows the daily number of deaths per million in the uk. France spain italy and sweden from march to december. The number to the right reflects the percentage of the population that report wearing a mask in public spaces. Sweden has the lowest number of deaths per million in this comparison despite only seven point. Seven percent of the surveyed population reported wearing a mask ramona. I saw you post something on social media. Somebody put a picture in sweden and you. There were four pictures in you. Come in and something to the effect of. I had to study this picture to figure out what made it special and that was that. Nobody was wearing a mask for those who argue that norway. Denmark and finland have lower mortality rates than sweden. They would be correct but these countries also have much lower rates of mask use compared to other european countries masks have been oversold as a solution. Dr anders tech nell sweden state epidemiologist said face. Masks are an easy solution. And i'm deeply distrustful of easy solutions to complex problems. He was right. Sweden now has fewer deaths per million people than the united states. in fact they have a lower death. Rate than thirty of our state's history is replete with examples when politics or religion metals with science and adversely impacts solutions by the way impact was just used as a verb on our show. But i was reading an article. I would never do that. Dr martin cole. Dwarf has argued against widespread public mask mandates from the beginning. He is a professor at harvard. Medical school and a leader in disease surveillance methods and infectious disease outbreaks. He describes the current pandemic policy of covid lockdowns and mask use this way after three hundred years the age of enlightenment has ended at this point. Many do not need an expert opinion to trust their own. Intuition and lying is that masks are not working. Everyone wants to mitigate the transmission of the virus but let's focus on what works but wearing a mask is so easy to do. Can't you just shut up. And where the damn mask. Why are we poking this tiger. This mask issue now because there is mass hysteria and many are blind to it. Because it's an irrational and divisive policy when unity is required more than ever because evidence should matter because in two thousand nineteen if we saw a father struggling to muzzle a- terrified crying two year old child on a plane with a cloth we would report them to authorities for possible child abuse in twenty twenty one. We kicked the whole family off the plane. The father is successful in his efforts because of a young man with autism who is unable to tolerate a mask on his face. Being publicly shamed because the masks offer a false sense of security in may adversely impact more important public health mitigation measures because our local high school cross country. Teams should not be running the trails washington masks because the oregon board of medicine suspended the license of a physician who objected to this policy. Because one of the greatest losses in this pandemic has been the loss of credibility of organizations for whom we held in high regard organizations. Such as the cdc the who and public health organizations that need to maintain the trust of the citizens because it is increasingly apparent that the basis for the mask mandate is not medical but political because fear and panic should not prevail over actual evidence even when many powerful institutions have expended so much political capital promoting the wrong policy. We wish masks worked but they don't. We wish we didn't have to fight about him but we do. And then at the bottom there a number of graphs and and things like that backing up what they've said in all the graphs come from sources like the cdc and the world health organization. It's a very odd time. If you so much as question. Public health policy on the wearing of masks. The response is not to discuss mask wearing as to whether it works or it doesn't the response is like a monkey. Flinging poo is to scream and yell at you and call you bad names and accuse you of being a murderous nazi but i thought we were civilized and sophisticated. I thought we could talk about what works. What doesn't based on the science. I thought we could agree to disagreement. And we would share experiences and science knowledge in studies and as new information developed. We would share that as well. Maybe we would be receptive to people who said things like. I have trouble breathing with this. Had other symptoms as a result of this. I got co vid despite wearing a mask at all times in public. I'm saying these would arguments. I've heard people in media print radio and television. Say nasty things about those who won't jump on the panic train. Why is it so important that we all agree. People get less angry about abortion then whether you wear a mask and they tied into their own fear and somebody they know who died. I know people who've died drinking themselves to death a lot actually. But i don't run through the bars. Tipping over drinks are trying to close the bars down. I've known people die of lung cancer in our. But you have to. But when i see someone cowering in the corner in the last hidden hallway where they can smoke. I don't rush up and steal their cigarette and try to get him arrested. Stop and think about what happened in this country over the last like a dark east german movie radio know weekend cameras over. Get your bony old out there every day. What is miami beach. Abstract chuckers left and republican establishment figures the ruling class as it were heavily funded. An organization called the lincoln project and we were constantly told that these were republicans who didn't like trump because republicans don't like trump not respectable ones. Anyway only the savages. Only you the peasants you. The violent white supremacists truck driving gun toting god fair and peasants so the lincoln project was very useful to the left into the republican establishment. Both of whom want to kick us out of the party and get their guys back in jeb. Bush for instance so john. Weaver was the co founder of the lincoln project and it now out that he had been grooming young men as young as fourteen using his place in the political hierarchy to recruit young men to be his sexual toys now. A lot of people are pointing out that he's married with kids. That's not the biggest issue here. That's an issue that you can take up as a moral issue. It's an issue for him and his family. He's breaking the law with teenagers and using his position to do that is really important to get to. Because we now know that this pattern was written about it goes back to two thousand four in an article in the atlantic. It goes back. According to karl rove tonight eighty-eight before i let you go. Carl i want to ask you about a separate story here. That's getting a lot of attention today. The lincoln project has it was founded basically to be a very strong anti-trump organization and to paper social media. Everywhere else with anti-trump messages john weaver was one of the people who ran it. He has a lot of accusations against him from young men who call him a sexual predator. You mentioned this back in two thousand four that this was a concern of yours. you know. This isn't something that anybody really wants to be vindicated on but it turns out that you were right. Well i didn't mention you. Two thousand four. it was printed in atlantic article by joshua greed. Who's now a major figure with bloomberg. I've actually known about this pattern of behavior since nineteen eighty-eight all i want to say is. Is that the twenty one statement that statements from those twenty one young man who talked about How they'd been approached by mr waiver. That statement speaks for itself and I don't have anything to add to. It exists sad sad chapter. So that means this pattern has been known about for decades. How would you like to know that your son or daughter was the subject of sexual harassment by grown man in his forties reaching out to your fourteen year. Old your ambitious fourteen year old and you know all of us who've had children i have my my youngest son. Crockett will be fourteen exactly two weeks from today and my older son michael t turned fifteen on december. Eighteenth nineteenth my dad's february eighteenth. Get those those three are altogether anyway so When i look at that when i think about how many times. They've looked up to a coach or a teacher A mentor of in one way or another it could be. The youth minister of the church could be a coach. A teacher tutor. Young people are uncertain. And they're eager. There's an innocence naievety to their eagerness. They're willing to to carry the briefcase just to be in the halls of power. They're willing to file all day. I guess i don't file anymore. They're they're willing to answer the phones in order to be at the front of the organization. That's doing it citing things right so to abuse that. Because they're not mind for yet they're not cynical yet they're bright eyed and bushy tailed so for john weaver at the lincoln project to abuse that and to have done that now for dozens of people which means there are dozens more that are not about to come forward because they have a wife and kids and they don't want to be the subject of a male on male grooming. How many of these are there out there. How many people who did end up in powerful positions. Maybe thanks to john weaver or maybe not. But how would you feel. If young you're young person was was the victim of this and that other people knew it and didn't come forward. So what are we to make of the lincoln project this organization that was so fanatically anti trump look. I don't have a problem with political. Disagreements what i do all day long but they were taking people who worked with trump who served the united states government. Who served the united states by doing that. They were taking their phone numbers and making them public their home addresses. You know they're crazy people out there. They were taking their home addresses in publishing calling and trying just flooding. Their companies lawyers for instance their law firms to get fired from their law firm. Which brings me back to the point of made over and over and over again. And i want you to see this the kinds of people who engage in these these maniacal acts like this. These are people who are carrying a very very heavy burden a big load unemotional instability stuart stevens. His co founder. At the lincoln project had a woman get a temporary restraining order on him and five renewals after. She said he harassed her. Repeatedly you find these cases of control-freak whacked out over the top individuals who hate trump. And that's why. And i've told you this again and again and again it's not trump. They're angry and politics is their outlet. Daddy didn't love him. The girl they most wanted to dance with wouldn't dance with them and called them nerd. The coach wouldn't put them in the game on the team or they couldn't make the team. These are people that are suffering from an instability before they entered the political realm and politics became a proxy a way of acting out for all of their anger. That is their sexual frustrations their professional frustrations. When you see these people on cnn msnbc and yes fox know that whatever they're screaming and hollering about is not what's really at play there. Professor angelo via is our guest. And i'm really excited about this. It's time time locking load. Michael very show is on the air long folks. Some of you will remember the scene in saturday night. Live where chris. Farley is playing the journalist. Who is interviewing paul mccartney and he keeps Just absolutely making a fool of himself by asking questions of mccartney that are elementary pedestrian. Because he's such a big fan. Remember that time you were in the beatles and he slaps himself on the head well. I joked over the years about once every few years. I have an interview with someone. That i hold in that high esteem. And it's hard to get through it. So i did all my fan boy stuff before the interview started but it is a real real honor. I must say on air To be hosting. Angela angelo via. Who's writing the ruling class. Absolutely influenced my thought process and reordered a lot of things that i thought i knew so to have him. Make time to be with us. Today is an incredible honor. It's it's a piece. He's written in. American greatness is quite a prolific writer. And i try to read everything. I find his the pieces entitled dismounting the covid tiger the oligarchy is chosen method of reopening after the pandemic that it intends to attempt to validate the harm. It did over the previous year. Will it work professor you you sort of lay out the case here by the way folks. We've posted this to michael berry. Show dot com. You lay out the case here that that the oligarchy as you call them setup. This trump didn't do enough. This is all trump's fault to get into power and now they're they're in the natural responses is okay. Well why can't you fix it well. Yeah look every literate person that once a infectious disease communicable infectious disease enters the population. Once it gets routed in the population it will run through the population. No matter what anyone does That is what diseases do. That's what they've always done. And this one is no different from any other now Throughout history people. In have the the i learned ones have clamored a to the to the powerful. Do something about the disease and the powerful have obliged or try to oblige in a way that has been of their own nest again. This is no different except that this time. They really went overboard. The proof of what i'm saying. Is that no sooner had Biden been all your rated. Then he spoke bit of truth and that there's nothing anyone could do to To affect the spread of the disease. That's absolutely true And he said it's Obviously to defend the question of well. Why aren't you stopping. But fact is that for almost a year the oligarchy could joe biden foremost had said Trump is responsible. Four hundred thousand two hundred thousand three hundred thousand murderer murderer You know. I mean that's obviously false and They had to somehow get away from the responsibility number. One number two is the fact that the the measures they took which gave them great power. The lockdowns are of course extremely popular and Destructive their now in charge of an economy. The economy's faltering. What are they going to do about it. Well they have to open up the have to but they have to do it in a way. That preserves their the the authority of the judgement that they pronounced in the first place. So we see this kabuki dance around the numbers of cases and Half ass excuses for opening up in a half ass manner. The great winston churchill quotation which you borrow them and there are others who have used it. Dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount and tigers are getting hungry in. This case are the tigers the american people. Of course. well no no no. No no the tiger. I'm sorry are the are the. Yeah the tigers are getting hungry. is in this case. Is that the american public who want answers. Certainly not no. No yeah look. The tiger is the pretense that that they And the fact that the pretends engendered a whole bunch of expectations and and caused a great deal of pain. I mean i i. You don't wanna take the allergy too far. I mean tiger is the the impossible situation that they have created themselves on the one hand Oh yes there's this horrible disease out there and you've got to. You've got to shut down in order to fight it. of course that's false shinedown. Don't fight it at all But now you have so. You've got to open up and but opening up in the face of so-called rising case counts Just simply impeaches everything. They've had to say now in that piece. I also pointed. I wanted to stratagems. That is now being used in order to justify this has opening and that is the the They are changing the way in which case Numbers are being a right The that that concept of cases with regard to coronavirus was always plastic. it was always a convenient fiction Okay let's get to the basics here this particular disease because it is what it is Hardly in parley inconveniences. Most of the people that it infects so something like sixty seventy percent of those infected never know they are infected or confused with not feeling all that well that day And so we have no as of today we have no idea whatsoever how many people have been infected or not that has always been the case from the very first but from the very first the The wise one decided that they were going to Use a different definition of case. They took people who are very sick very sick. And who tested positive for the virus and this is this is a case and then they said Well What happens to people have these cases. Well the fact is that people were very sick. Offer get very much thicker and they often die and so they said well. How many of these are getting sicker. Indict a lot. Oh well If you then take that as a measure of the legality of the covid then you'll get some really scary figures you spread those figures around. You scare the living daylights out of the american people. That's exactly right also pay and now and now they're they're trying to run the process reverse. We'll continue our conversation with professor angelo code via coming up next the michael berry show hand. Larry got camera overnight. Your voting cut off is out there every. What is this miami beach sprite with. Chuck chuck out. Kim dong speaking to professor angelo. Coda via think people need to know this. The reason the numbers were so high before are the very reason that those numbers appear to be coming down before you had everything being lumped in as as Go vetco and now you have to match all these. Could you speak a little bit to that. Because i think that's important for people to understand well okay We little known is that The us government's always various very has been rewarding hospitals for the number of rewarding. Maybe they're all word has been compensating or overcompensating hostels for the number of cova cases that they handle so the incentives for hospitals doctors. Say this is a cova case Whether or not the person tested positive for the cova and in the case of deaths No distinction was made between tweet zoomed cova who died with covert and people who died of covid and so the the there is no reason to pay to pay any respect to any of these figures. These are all entirely plastic figures. Audits have been performed. we have seen in some cases. Where a guy who Who have three bullets as chest with classified as having died of covid. Clearly the bullets something to do with So it goes so it's It is a shell game and entirely dishonest. Shell game if we had a press did his job. the That only the falsehood of all of this for the corruption of would be exposed but of course it is not being supposed professor co you or someone who is known to be able to step back and see the bigger picture so when you look at your years of experience in end the result the consequences of what. We've seen a couple of things come to mind to me. For instance if the public doesn't trust our public health officials That could be very bad in the future. And i'm a person that believes in a healthy level of skepticism cynicism. But where else what else do you see when the dust settles as to how our world will have changed as a result of what happened and it's negative. Well it isn't simply because it mind you. I mean this is covered really sort of. You're my say the pretty close to the capstone of everything that the ruling class did Ever since Has done since two thousand sixteen basically what happened in two thousand sixteen. Is that the ruling class. Were utterly shocked by what happened. Republican primaries all of the came republicans got swept aside and the only people who survived. Were ted cruz and And donald trump and they survive only. Because they're willing to. they're willing to either they. They spoke ill of the ruling class and they meant to take away. Privileges now Trump won the nomination. Not only because he was the the the most insulting to the ruling class but also because of a of the dynamics the unpredictable dynamics of multi multi-member field In those situations when whenever as usually ask wasn't his case determined by who drops out when and who doesn't drop out win But the point is that whoever whether it was going to be cruise or or Or trump the ruling class was faced with a real honest to goodness challenge And when the challenger this case trump won the ruling class but i the oh during the campaign. Hillary clinton had used a throwaway line about not accepting the results of the election. But by god the moment that the election results were in the class decided At first slowly and tentatively but then With who turbo charge to reject the outcome of the election and to use all the institutions at its command. And they're all basically all those are going to have to To overturn the results. Which leads me to direct to answer to your question. Which is what i. What are the long term consequences with the long of consequences. Is that the ruling class. A burn all of those institutions. They are now they by using them to overthrow the judgment of the voters and by doing so in in a really south to stuff gonna by doing it in a way that that insulted the voters a very bad idea democracy they they discredited institutions The press discredited itself completely The justice department the fbi The the Forgot about to see those of us who knows what was discredited. Long ago but The american people again to ask to not to get to the file. Part of your Of your question. The american people have become accustomed correctly to believe that everything here hear from above is alive. And there's nothing more corrosive that i find it fascinating that a media that could accurately in many cases be accused of fake news a term. I never used before. But but turned out to be. True is so troubled that their level of trust is so low. Because you don't get that back and for walter cronkite. Her edward r murrow to have not been trusted have been it would have destroyed them and really right. That would have been trust is what they they. They traded in By the last person talking about trust the last person i saw the media who sort of radiated trust Whether it was the other or not is. Another question was Bill o'reilly he looks like your grandfather talked. Like a grandfather was the most powerful thing on television when he was at his very moderate What every man thinks if you wanted to know what every man thought You know what everyone of the barbershop would not have had that you would listen to to to o'reilly is also an incredibly good communicator. Better than i think people. That was such a skill. We'll continue our conversation with professor angelo code via coming up next. Is there something wrong with me. No test required. You've definitely got it. We wish you well. And i have a good day here. You see you got it. The michael berry shows now give it to everybody else by turning up the volume there. You go weekend camera over. Get your vote. He's cutting off their out there. Every what is this miami beach strike with. Chuck chuckers speaking to professor angelo. Coda via professor. I want to ask you about The closing line of this piece says covering for that level of professional incompetence and corruption may be a bridge too far you talking about fao cheesy but i to ask him for for a little more context here you say not. Only is the binding objective getting rid of trump no longer. There documents are surfacing. Show the material complicity between faculty and the development of the virus. Yes yes yes yes yes can you. Oh yeah okay There has been over the past in the A biowarfare via logical community he debate on Regarding the uses of genetic engineering In research and everyone Responsible person involved in that debate beginning acknowledging that Is that you're playing with fire. When you were Genetically engineered viruses the practice particular practice involved has to do with raising the potency of a virus Making it more communicable now. Why would anyone want to do that. Well as the legitimate argument is is to understand what the the increased potency could actually do. Do i knowledge itself and perhaps the the The development of of countermeasures This debate has been going on for a long time. At a certain point. The obama administration decided upon advice of some three hundred Members of the community decided that this kind of search would no longer be allowed in the united states of america. Why because of its inherent danger. In other words. The argument for the for the obama. Administration's decision was yeah. You might get some benefits out of this. But it's not worth the danger involved and so they said No more well it just so happened that one prominent urologist by the name of anthony foul disagreed and instead of just simply say oh well okay. Well you know. This is a decision of my peers and administration. So i will agree instead of agreeing. He you some U. s. funds. Which were i guess. More or less his discretion to fund precisely that research guess where at the wuhan laboratory that research on the on raising the potency communica ability of animal viruses. No we do not know exactly precisely which experiments so the three and a half a million dollars that thought she transferred from you from the united states to on were used but we know they were used se in general for raising the potency of animal viruses like the bat virus like about corona virus making communicable to humans I mean that we we. The documents on the subject are in the public domain and It is a so-far shame on the Media that they have not gone viral. Because you know this is this is both a part of fox insubordination. Underhandedness perhaps corrupt. Because these were his friends But also you know a couple -bility no less serious for being direct But by the last line of my article was this kind of collusion by the media cannot remain universal forever. some guy willing to risk everything to gain is spurs. It's gonna say hey wait a minute. He'll convince them editor to run it. Something other than fox news right so you know. I sorta later. The united states of america arnold sequels. It's just if you care about the proper functioning of our institutions for the purpose of of education and information toward better health and you absolutely erode. The credibility of the public health industry It strikes me that the real loser is not the foul cheese. He'll retire to a good life in america. People the losers are the particularly those who who needed vaccines and who needed better public health information. Ooh look the the. The point is broader even brought that because it doesn't apply simply to to to the health industry the health establishment. It applies to everything. I mean they've done this with regard to to All institutions all this itunes have been have discredited themselves for the the the pro purpose of of defeating donald trump. okay so they deceit donald trump. Do they think for a moment. Did they have defeated the Call it populism if you wish The the the sense by on the part of the american people that they've been ill served heavens no have they have. These people made themselves more popular. They yeah. They did with the elections. of course. there's no way of knowing how many how many of those mail-in votes were real. And how many were not. There's just no way of knowing because the way the way the system was addled it made it impossible to know but one thing that the votes that went to donald trump who would basically not like very well by a lot of people voted for him including yours. Truly more michael berry. Show coming up weekend camera over. Get your voting off their out there. Every miami beach arly abstract with chuck chuckers and we are speaking to professor angelo. Coda via who. I discovered when rush limbaugh was reading from a book. He had written called the ruling class which i highly commend to you about an article that he's just written in american greatness called dismounting. The covid tiger the darkies chosen method of reopening after the pandemic shows that it intends to attempt to validate the harm. It did over the previous year. Will it work. Which which is why. They're trying to frighten everybody by saying i if you don't knuckle under real fast we're gonna call you a racist white supremacist. And does anybody think that that's gonna make them even. Yeah that's gonna it's gonna make them more loved more respected. No calling people names that they know that they all deserve is not a winning tactic. It really isn't no but you know your book. The ruling class. I have often said gave us a whole new structure within which a vernacular and in a mindset and i look at politics now instead of looking at it horizontally of the right and the left or democrats and republicans vertically of the ruling class and and the country clash with the peasants. And it's almost as if they're they're drawing the moat and withdrawing to the castle and saying as long as we can self deal and maintain. Our position of society in society will just trash the peasants and hope. The french revolution doesn't happen. A nation is a very bad. Look i one of my most more. Recent articles called clarity explains all of that and the kind of position to put themselves in and basically what the what the rest what covered the the country class can do about it The american people have genius which involves sorting themselves out into mutually congenial groups This has been going on since sixty and thirty. When roger williams led his band out of massachusetts foreign providence colony the mormons who were disliked in new york until annoy and went often founder. Salt lake city And today there is a tremendous shift of people away from ruling class institutions that ruling class. Borys it's physical and societal shift The the imposition may just just look at one thing. The position of abortion on demand has willy nilly created a well nigh impassable bar to marriage is between people on different sides of that issue. It does and it makes sense. I mean why would someone who is pro abortion marry. Someone who is who is pro-life and vice versa just so The the The moment that parlor gets back online. You're going to see a mass abandonment of twitter facebook. The moment twitter why because twitter. Facebook have have labeled themselves as being of the left. Why would someone who is not of the last. Wanna stay there. I mean again Castle cancelling banishing is a two edged sword. You vanish someone. You banish yourself at the same time right but you know professor what concerns me about. This is when you when you look at when you look at societies as you your student of history and deeper perspective than just a modern era and you see this sort of balkanisation in a society. Social media used to be a place that people could interact a marketplace salman square. We have fewer and fewer of those things. Yeah well that's Yeah uh-huh alas that was a great promise of Of the internet and social media but The i guess the people who run them decided to break that promise that was broken broken. I mean now nobody you no matter who you are. You can be a leftist. It goes for them as well as everybody else. When you go on twitter or facebook you now have to tell yourself. O- i gotta be careful what i say that-that's unfortunate because first of all i think it it makes it less of a sense of nation in amac's vaber way we have less and less in common but but secondly it seems that It's not as as enriching life if you're not ever around plonker different. of course. of course. I i was born and raised in a very very very homogeneous environment and in the back with of italy where the people who live of three miles away spoke recognizably different dialects. So when i can't new york it was a it was a feast of diversity There were people all over the world absolutely wonderful of far richer far more interesting place than than the The the little clay which i was raised I i'll never forget the joy of it but yeah no i mean we are forced into claves instead. That's life. unfortunately it is. It's a less rich life however professor. Angela is code. You are a wonderful guest. I hope you'll come back and visit us again. We'll do thank you. Thank you sir. Remember your with the beatles and you're supposed to be dead and there's all these clues that like he plays some song backwards and say like paul is dead and everyone thought that your dad. That was a hoax right. Yeah i wasn't really dead. Well that's it. Serve this week show. Thank you phone cardi. Thank you for being one of the greatest rock. I mean the living legend. Chris good thanks.

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Angelo Codevilla

"Well folks Some of you will remember the scene in saturday night. Live where chris. Farley is playing the journalist. Who is interviewing paul mccartney and he keeps Just absolutely making a fool of himself by asking questions of mccartney that our our elementary pedestrian. Because he's such a big fan. I remember that time you were in the beatles and he slaps himself on the head. Well i have joked over the years about once every few years. I have an interview with someone that i hold in that high esteem. And it's hard to get through it. So i did all my fan boy stuff before the interview started but it is a real real honor. I must say on air To be hosting angela. Angelo kotova Who's writing the ruling class. Absolutely influenced my thought process and reordered a lot of things that i thought i knew so to have him. Make time to be with us. Today is an incredible honor. It's a it's a piece that he's written in. American greatness is quite a prolific writer. And i try to read everything. I find of his the pieces entitled dismounting the covid tiger the oligarchy is chosen method of reopening after the pandemic shows that it intends to attempt to validate the harm. It did over the previous year. Will it work professor you you sort of lay out the case here by the way folks. We've posted this to michael berry. Show dot com. You lay out the case here that that the oligarchy as you call them Setup this trump didn't do enough. This is all trump's fault to get into power and now they're they're in the natural response is okay well. Why can't you fix it well. Yeah look Every literate person does that Once a an infectious disease communicable infectious disease enters a population and once it gets rooted in the population. It will run through the population no matter what anyone does That is what diseases dude. That's what they've always done. And this one is no different from any other now Throughout history people in have the masses the unlearn ones have clamored to the powerful. Do something about the disease and the powerful have Obliged or try to oblige in a way that that has their own nest. I get this is no different except at this time it really went overboard The proof of what. I'm saying is that the no sooner had Biden automated then. He spoke a bit of truth and he says that There's nothing anyone could do to To affect the spread of the disease. That's absolutely true. And he said it obviously to defer the question. Well why aren't you stopping. But fact is that for for almost a year the the oligarchy could joe biden foremost had said Trump is responsible for hundred thousand. Two hundred thousand three hundred thousand murderer murder You know i mean that's obviously false and They had to somehow get away from the responsibility number. One number two is the fact that the the measures they took which gave them great power. The lockdowns are of course extremely popular and um destructive their now in charge of an economy. Economy's fault to me. What are they gonna do about it. Well they have to open up the have to but they have to do it in a way. That preserves their the the the authority of the judgement that they pronounced in the first place. So we see this This kabuki dance around Numbers of cases and Half ass excuses for opening up in a half ass matter. The great winston churchill quotation which you borrow their others who've used it dictators ride to and fro upon tigers which they dare not dismount getting hungry in. This case are the tigers the american people. Of course. well no no no no. The tiger are are the yeah. The tigers are getting hungry. I is in this case is. Is that the american public who want answers because it's certainly not the press. No yeah look. The tiger is the pretends that that they and the fact of the pretends engendered a whole bunch expectations and caused a great deal of pain. I mean You don't wanna take allergy too far. The tiger is the the impossible situation that they have created themselves On the one hand Oh yes there's this horrible disease out there and you've got to you got to shut down in order to fight it well. Of course that's false showing down. Don't fight it at all But now you have got to open up and but but opening up in the face of so-called rising case counts Just simply impeaches everything they had to say now in that piece i also pointed i wanted to stratagems that is now being used in order to justify this half opening and that is the the they are changing the way in which case The numbers are being figured right The that the concept of cases with regard to coronavirus was always plastic. it was always a convenient fiction Okay let's let's get to the basics here this particular disease because of it is what it is Hardly in hardly inconvenience. Most of the people that infects So something like sixty seventy percent of those infected never know they are infected or confused with not feeling all that well that day as so we have no i just today we have no idea whatsoever how many people have been affected or not that has always been the case from the very first but from at the very first the Wise one decided that they were going to use a different definition of case they took people who are very sick very sick. And who tested positive for the virus and this This is a case and then they said Well What happens to people have these cases. Well people fact is that people who are very sick offer get very much thicker and they often die and so they said well. How many of these are getting sicker and die a lot. Oh well if you then take that as a measure of the lethality of the covid then you get some really scary figures. You spread those figures around and you scare the living daylights out of the american people. That's exactly right but you also and now and now they're they're trying to run the process of reverse right and i think people need to know this. The reason the numbers were so high before are the very reason that those numbers appear to be coming down before you had everything being lumped in as as Go vetco and now you have to match all these. Could you speak a little bit to that. Because i think that's important for people to understand. Well okay we Little known is that The us government was various. Very mechanisms had been rewarding hospitals for the number of rewarding. That maybe they're all word has been compensating overcompensating hospitals for the Number of cova cases that they had so the incentive for hospitals doctors to say this is a cova case Whether or not the person tested positive for the cova And in the case of death No distinction was made between two resumed. Covert people who died with covert and people who died of covid and so the there is no reason to pay to pay any respect to any of these figures. These are all entirely plastic figures. Audits have been performed. We've seen some cases where a guy who Who had three bullets chest with classified as having died of cova. I mean you know. i mean clearly. The bullets something to do with So it goes so it's It is a shell game And totally dishonest. Shell game if we had a press. That did his job. the That only the falsehood of all of this corruption of of would be exposed but of course it is now being exposed professor kobe or someone who is known to be able to step back and see the bigger picture so wh when you look at your years of experience in the result the consequences of what we've seen a couple of things come to mind to me for instance if the public doesn't trust our public health officials That could be very bad in the future. And i'm a person that believes in a healthy level of skepticism cynicism. But where else what else do you see when the dust settles as to how our world will have changed as a result of what happened and it's negative. Well it isn't simply record. Mind you. I mean this is a barely sort of the you might say the cl- pretty close to the capstone of everything that the ruling class did ever since Has done since two thousand sixteen basically what happened in two thousand sixteen is that the ruling class orderly shocked by what happened republican primaries all of the team republicans Were got swept aside and the only people who survived what ted cruz and and donald trump and they survived only. Because they're willing to willing to eager. They spoke ill of the ruling class and they meant to take away. Privileges now Trump the won the nomination. Not only because he was the the most insulting to the ruling class But also because of a of the dynamics. The unpredictable dynamics of a multi multi multi-member field In those situations when our as usually as it was in this case determined by who drops out when and who doesn't drop out when But the point is that whoever whether it was going to be cruised or Or trump the ruling class was faced with a real honest to goodness challenge right And when the challenger this case trump won the roy class One but i the Oh during the campaign. Hillary clinton had used a throwaway line about not accepting the results of the election. But by god the moment that the election results were in the class decided I slowly and tentatively but then With with turbo charge to reject the outcome of the and to use all the institutions at its command. And they're all basically all those are gonna have to to overturn the the results which it direct astra to your question which is what what are the long term consequences with a long term consequences is that the ruling class burned all of those institutions. They are now they by using them to Overthrew the judgment of the voters and by doing so in a in a really south the stuff that way by doing it in a way that that insulted voters But i still think voters are very bad idea now democracy they they discredited the press discredited itself completely the the justice department the fbi The the Forget about the those of us know. It was discredited. Long ago But The american people again to ask not to get to the file point of your Of you question. The american people have become accustomed correctly. Believing that everything that here's a little above his ally and there's nothing more corrosive than that. I find it fascinating that a media that could accurately in many cases be accused of fake news a term. I never used before But turned out to be. True is so troubled that their level of trust is so low. Because you don't get that back and for walnut cronkite. Her edward r murrow to have not been trusted would have been. It would have destroyed them and right that that would have been trust is what they they traded in the last person talking about trust the last person i saw the media who sort of radiated trust What was where the other or not is. Another question was Bill o'reilly He looks like your grandfather talked. Like a grandfather was the most powerful thing on television when he was at his very moderate What every man thinks if you wanted to know what every man thought You know what everyone of the barbershop would not have. Had you would listen to to riley an incredibly good communicator. Better than i think people. That was such a skill professor. I wanna ask you about The the closing line of this piece says covering for that level of professional incompetence and corruption may be a bridge too far. You talking about pfau faucher. But i want to ask him for for a little more context. Here you say not. Only is the binding objective getting rid of trump no longer. There documents are surfacing the material complicity between faculty and the development of the virus. Yes yes yes yes yes. Oh yeah okay There has been over the past generation in the biowarfare virological community a debate on Regarding the uses of genetic engineering In research and everyone Responsible person involved in that debate beginning acknowledging that Is that you're playing with fire when you were Genetically engineering is the practice particular practice involved has to do with raising the potency of a virus a making it more communicable. Now why would anyone want to do that. Well The legitimate argument is is to understand what the the increased potency could actually do and Do i knowledge itself and perhaps the the The development of of countermeasures This debate has been going on for a long time. At a certain point. The obama administration decided upon advice of of some three hundred Members of the community decided that this kind of research would no longer be allowed in the united states of america. Why because of its inherent danger. The argument for the for the obama administration's decision was. Yeah you might get some benefits out of this. But it's not worth the danger involved so they said No more well it just so happened. That one provident kerala just by the name of anthony fauci disagreed and instead of just simply say well. Okay well you know. This is a decision of my peers and administration. So i will agree instead of agreeing. He used some U. s. funds. Which were i guess. More or less has discretion to fund precisely that research. Guess where at the wuhan laboratory that research on the on raising the potency. Communica ability of animal viruses. No we do not know exactly precisely which experiments so the three and a half some million dollars. The factory transferred from you from the united states to han were used but we know they were used precisely in general for raising the potency of animal. Virus like the bad virus like about coronavirus making a communicable to humans I mean that we. The documents on the subject are in the public domain and It is a far shame on the american media that they have not gone viral. Because this is this is both a A part of fox in support nation underhandedness perhaps corruption. Because he's friends But also you know a couple ability no less serious for being direct But the last line of my article was this kind of collusion by the media cannot remain universal forever. You know some guy willing to risk everything to gain is burst is gonna say hey. Wait a minute. He'll come some editor to run it. Something other than fox news right. So you know. I you know i. I sorta later the united states of america. There are no sequels. It's just if you care about the proper functioning of our institutions for the purpose of of education and information toward better health and you absolutely erode the credibility of the public health industry. It strikes me that the real loser is not the foul cheese. He'll retire to a good life. They don't lose it. American people the losers and particularly those who who needed vaccines in who needed better public health information look and the the the point is brought even brought that because it doesn't apply simply to to to to the health industry the health establishment. It applies to everything. i mean. They've done this with regard to to All institutions all to have been have discredited themselves for the the the narrow part of defeating donald trump. okay so they deceit that trump. Do they think for a moment. Did they have defeated the Call it populism if you wish The the the sense by on the part of the american people that they've been diddled ill-served. Heavens no have they have. These people made themselves more popular They yeah. They did with the elections And of course there's no way of knowing how many how many of those mail in votes were real and how many were not. There's just no way of knowing because the way the the way the system was adult it made it impossible to know but one thing is certain that the votes that went to donald trump who would basically not liked very well by a lot of people voted for on you know including yours truly. I voted for twice the The airwaves probably not friendly to buy oughta varnished opinion and i would vote time absolutely absolutely I did not but you see in order to themselves anymore. Love which which is why. They're trying to frighten everybody by saying if you don't knuckle under real fast. We're going to call you a racist white supremacist. And the anybody thinks that gonna make them even. Yeah that's gonna make them more loved more expected. No calling people names that they know that they deserve is not a winning tactic. It really isn't no but you know your book. The ruling class 'a have often said gave us a whole new structure within which a vernacular an a mindset. And i look at politics now instead of looking at it. Horizontally of the right and the left or democrats and republicans vertically of the ruling class and and the country clash with the peasants. And it's almost as if they're drawing the moat and withdrawing to the castle and saying as long as we can self deal and maintain our position in society will just trash the the peasants and hope. The french revolution doesn't happen. It's a very bad calculation. Look I one of my most. More recent articles called clarity explains all of that and the kind of position to put themselves in and basically what the what the rest of the country class can do about it The american people have a genius Which involves sorting themselves out into mutually congenial groups This has been going on since sixteen thirty. When roger williams led his band out of massachusetts the foreign providence colony The mormons who were disliked in new york and illinois want often found city And today there is a tremendous shift Of people away from ruling class institutions will class mores. It's physical and societal shift The the imposition. It just just look at one thing. The position of abortion on demand has willy nilly created a well nigh impassable bar two marriages between people on different sides of that issue and it makes sense. I mean why would someone who is pro abortion marry. someone who is who is pro-life russia Just so The the The moment that taylor gets back online you're going to see a mass abandonment of twitter and facebook The moment twitter why because twitter facebook label themselves as being of the left. Why would someone who is not of the last. Wanna stay there. I mean again A castle castle and banishing is a two edged sword. You vanish someone. You banish yourself at the same time right but you know professor. What concerns me about this when you when you look at when you look at societies as you you're a student of history and a deeper perspective than just a modern era and you see this sort of balkanisation in society. Social media used to be a place that people could interact a marketplace square. We have fewer and fewer of those things. How well that's yeah. Uh-huh alas That was a great promise of Of the internet and social media but The i guess the people who run them decided to break that promise was his broken is broken. I mean no nobody if you no matter who you are you leftist. Go for them as well as everybody else. When you go on twitter or facebook you now have to tell yourself. O- i gotta be careful what i say that. That's unfortunate because first of all. I think it makes less of a sort of sense of nation in amac's vaber way we have less and less in common but but secondly it seems that It's not as as enriching a life if you're not ever around or different of course. Of course look i ca. I was born and raised in a very very very homeless environment. And in the back of italy where the people who live of three miles away spoke recognizably. Different dialects came to new york. It was a it was a feast of diversity. There were people from all over the world. If i absolutely wonderful of far richer far more interesting place now. They done the The a little enclave which was raised I i'll never forget the joy of it but Yeah i mean we ever forced into enclaves. That's unfortunately it is. It's a less rich life however professor. Angela is cody via. You are a wonderful guest. I hope you'll come back and visit us again. We'll do thank you. Thank you sir.

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Ep 32 | Hold the Deal-Maker Accountable | Guest: Matthew Peterson

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Ep 32 | Hold the Deal-Maker Accountable | Guest: Matthew Peterson

"And the load. This is Steve dates. The Steve day show. Greetings, happy Thursday. Thanks for tuning in here today on the blaze live and on demand. I am St. days Todd and Aaron are here with me per normal. Eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three's the number to the blaze aided eight nine hundred thirty three ninety three or you can just sit back, and let us know what you think about what we think the Steve days dot com in box Email us Steve at Steve day start com. That's DAC like us on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter at Steve dais show coming up a little bit later on in this hour today's truth bomb as well as this week's edition of three non political questions. Also next hour. How much of the old group wants known as never Trump that. I was once a charter member of how much of that group still exists, and what has become of them. And what does that tell us about that group? Good or bad. We'll get into that a little bit later on as well as this week's theology Thursday, speaking of which you know, our theology Thursday comes right out of the scriptures. And getting that message out to people that live in closed countries. That's the mission of back to Jerusalem, they're based in China and their vision is to reach every closed country between Jerusalem and China with the light and hope of the gospel. What do we mean by closed country? It means the leaders of that country. Don't want the gospel in their borders because they'd rather keep the people oppressed rather than give them the hope and inspiration the ultimate inspiration. That is found only in God's word. If you wanna bring the word of God, you wanna bring hope to Iran, Somalia. China North Korea. Help us support back to Jerusalem. Their goal is to get fifteen or get ten thousand of these bibles that in their fifteen dollars a piece now it is the bible. I mean, they didn't like print up their own version this is their bible or the bible, but they have put it in a package. It's pretty small in order to get it passed the gatekeepers in these closed countries. They need fifteen dollars from ten thousand of us. That's the mission goal here. They're asking for help here on the blaze. If that's something you're interested in blaze, help dot ORG. That's the website blaze. Help dot org or you can give them a call at eight four four three. Oh, five zero five six that's eight four four three. Oh, five zero five six. And now here's Aaron with what happened while we were away. What happened while we were away? Brought to you by if you can't make a good deal with the politicians, then there's something wrong with you. I know the best people, I know the best managers, I know the best dealmakers, and I'm very good deal maker. I believe me, I guess I look at everything like a deal, you either have it or you don't guys that are so good. I do hundreds of deals ideals to the deals come out of my ears. And they're good does most of them are phenomenal deals. What's wrong with us? Is we have people that don't know what they're doing making deals with some of the smartest people in the world. But I'm different than other presidents of dealmaker might make great deals. I'm Donald Trump. I wrote the art of the deal, whether it's Trump the art of the deal which bomb and carry obviously did not read Obama definitely didn't Reno. Bama. Then to doctor and he's not a dealmaker sports. You have natural hitters in baseball and natural shut makers and basketball and natural putters. And he's not a natural deal. Made. It doesn't come naturally to him with congress. You have to get everybody in a room, and you have to get them to agree. But you have to get him to agree what you want, and that's part of being dealmaker. But what evidence two years into his presidency? That's Donald Trump is living up to his own billing as an amazing deal maker. That's the question national reviews Jona Goldberg posed and Steve asked this audience yesterday on Twitter here are some of the replies. Leaps says only deal like in really see is that Trump has somehow worked out a deal with Milania convincing her to live at the White House with him. That is the only one I can think of not Trump, then Ouch Lawrence. Kemp though provides a more nuanced analysis. I don't think he's great at making deals. Trump's strengths appears to be bringing people to. Table his Peter Pan qualities make him personable in limited interactions, which draw people in but as ego destroys in the long run the ultimate one nightstand. Greg Neva says he's terrible at it. And some of that is due to not being trustworthy. How can you make a deal with someone who's word can't be trusted John Hensley adds nothing so far? But let's see what happens with China where he has an advantage at this point dams and rhinos stabbing him in. The back has been at disadvantage fact, had all congress for two years with basically nothing speaks volumes Marian winter set says NAFTA part doi- is evidence of his deal making abilities as it was a win for US, laborers, Jack holes spunky Tucker says he's fighting with one hand behind his back. His trade deals seem to be positive for us. Everything that requires help from the GOP seems like he's battling. Both sides wonder how much good stuff could have been passed in the first two years with team support K W light ads prior. To poed us. Trump reportedly made great business deals motivation dollars. Now as president his deal making is ineffective. Why he's unprincipled motivation feed has ego which leads to waffling on policy and finally Mandy says I think he's trying to honor his promises and has had many successes. I don't think he gets fair coverage or credit for anything. He gets done on very disappointed in congressional Republicans, though, they could have done so much more. And that's what happened while we were away. All right. So would we have when I? Eight and we're counting the first one. And that's a sampling overall. We probably got around forty forty about forty replies on Twitter, which for Twitter following of mine about fifty three thousand and you know, we've always tell you about a quarter of Americans have a Twitter account, and among those were active with it. It's it's it's even smaller number. So I mean, that's a pretty good cross section for an audience of this size. And I on purpose did not read the replies. And because I wanted to leave it up to Erin to sort of sift through there and come up with a cross section of what the overall opinion was of those that responded, I wrote down several specific things as we were going along before I get into those though, and we discuss them, I wanna get your take tot just in total to this entire conversation. And let me say the reason we're having. It is because what's going on right now as we speak. What is happening as they're attempting to cut one of the most definitive deals of his presidency, actually, or at least the first term of it. It may go a long way to determine in. And I say that with the caveat, always of the Democrats are going insane. All right, but it may go. So maybe it wouldn't go a long way to determining whether he'll get a second term. Maybe a better way of saying it is it will go a long way to determining how much she can take advantage of how crazy the Democrats are becoming is that a that a fair way of putting it now because I don't know as we've pointed out in the last week. I think we're at the point now with where the Democrats are gone have gone, we can't definitively say anymore. This ends Trump. Or this is the traditional metrics of what presidents could not overcome that were self inflicted wounds when we're dealing with the first openly communist political party in American history. That could and could be wrong. But the possibility of the American people putting up with something a certain level of EPA tude or disappointments, depending on which term you would prefer to use in the current choice for in the current incumbent in the White House might be a lot higher than what their patience and tolerance was for it in years past and that's something. We'll talk about on our roundtable today on the blaze some interesting polling out. On what Americans views are on words, like socialism and capitalism, and then how those views breakdown from Republicans to Democrats, and you're gonna see that in this in these numbers that a large cross section of the Democratic Party is way out of the mainstream with where the majority of the American people are and so in acknowledgement of that and a campaign's only gonna bring more of that to light, by the way. Okay. We're only gonna see more of that key. I keep bringing this up. We're a year away from vote Nyla, and we're already at kill all the babies, cancel all the health insurance. Open all the borders, and and black face, and and turn it all your cars, and we're going to bulldoze all your homes and cancel air travel for to put two trains over the ocean. Right. That's we're out here in on Valentine's Day. So we're year away from voting all the democratic candidates aren't even in yet. So. So it's not as if this is the furthest Kook this is going to go. It's going to go further, which means what people by comparison may be willing to tolerate from Donald Trump in order to reject that, maybe a higher number than what George H W Bush, for example and his self inflicted wounds. What they cost him. So we have to acknowledge that in the macro. So let's phrase it as his ability to capitalize on the Democrats Kook fastener is that is that. Okay. This moment right now. And what's being what's being suggested is that he signed a Bill that will fund the government for the next seven months. We'll sensually take his number one issue off the table for seven months bay. That's a lot of the rest of this year. We'll go in it'll be September. And at that point. Now people will be back in school. It will be football season. The things will be going on a lot of the American. Attention span will not be on politics at that point in time, particularly in an election year. So he's being asked by the Republicans to fund the government for the next seven months and coming up in our truth bombs portion here in a little while while we're going to tell you what's in some of this budget, by the way, and it's it's it's an amnesty palooza guys. All right. It's an amnesty palooza. So he's being asked to fund this and take this. And this is the only delay could get and it's actually three hundred million less in border security than what the Democrats offered him back in December. All right. So this is the whole aspect of his deal. This is why Jonah Goldberg brought this up, and I like using Jona as an excuse because Joan might be the last remaining original never Trumper who has not abandoned all conservatism in the process, right? Wow. Okay. Might be the last one at least the last one with a name as annoying as he is. I think you're actually right. All right. All of us that were in this group about twenty percent of us gave it up when we realized that you're asking us to give up conservatism. So now, we have to criticize Trump when he's when he does what we wanted to do we're out. Okay. And then the other eighty percent of us were really people that were really never conservative. And they're keep proving that Jona might be the last remaining name in this group who who remained staunchly never Trump and hasn't soiled is on these beyond just his personality. Grading on you at times, I mean, complete in total abandonment of conservatism and. Some of you arguable David French's, David French argue, he's conservative. But every time there's a fight we must preemptively surrender it. So that we can't do anything that would possibly get your hands dirty that that would be kind of his argument. So he is he's like the French rifle on on EBay. Seldom used never fired. All right. I mean, that's that's the scriptures. So he's like in a separate category. As far as I'm concerned. So using him as the proxy for this question and getting the reactions of our audience, given the timing of what's happening right now. I thought this was a good moment to take a look at what people thought, and what did you think of what they thought? Well to the answer the question that you posed what are we going to tolerate in the name of something other than the progressive scourge. You're gonna have to tolerate the mandate for president being a total joke. Listen, we've been riffing on the best deals thing for quite some time. Because this is a joke that has been building. And when Trump just was. The pictures in the White House of hidden sitting next to chew or when he caved on ObamaCare. That's the one time in his presidency. I just said you might as well impeach the guy from the right because he he can't he doesn't know what the art of the deal is it was a scam all along use that term scam. You remember a couple days ago in terms of him as a president, and it being a guy who could break up the system, and here we are now in that scene to me, listen, he's he's ripping on Obama because he says he's not a natural clearly by extension saying that I I am the natural come on. You ain't odds. You're you're them in does align man, you can't even hit above two hundred when it comes to the art of the deal. If you again, if you vote for the guy because of the left is so bad. I understand you. I may ultimately do it too. But I'll be voting for a joke. Particularly in light of what's on the table right now with this deal. If I can get in on kind of my observations as well, what from from looking at all these Jona and yourself act asked for evidence that Trump is a good deal maker, do you know, what was lacking except for one tweet and their evidence. There was one person who said that NAFTA part two was evidence that he's a deal maker because it was decidedly better for American workers. I think that's debatable. But there's one piece of evidence. The rest was either. In was I think I'm pretty comfortable in my snapshot that I took cross section through those eight tweets of what the audience it was either. No, he's a bad deal maker, no evidence of that. Or it was blaming the Republicans or placing part of the blame on Republicans. I think both of those things can be true simultaneously. But when you actually look for evidence real hard evidence there is very little to be found. And I think that that's. Born out through the the responses replies. To these the people cannot seemingly find very many instances where Trump has actually cut a deal. And I can't remember if this was in the montage of Trump at the beginning of the montage where he says what you have to do with congress is get them all together and agree on something. But it has to be something that that that you want. That's not happening at hasn't happened. It doesn't look like it's going to happen again. And boy if this again, we said this Todd bringing that up about a caving on Obamacare's dead on the money. We brought this up around this time last year if he caves on this, what's what's the point of having him? He says in good things. But when it actually comes to actionable items that need legislation that he needs to use his bully pulpit to persuade and really stand. Oh boy. This is this is not the droid. You're looking for well, I'm just going to speak about this purely politically for him as the president. I I I'm trying to figure out how any of his political advisors are selling him that taking his number one winning issue. Excuse me off the table for the majority of this year. Is a good thing. I I don't understand. And I get what we have is shutdown. There's other ways of doing this. Then, you know. But to take a deal that would take his most galvanizing issue, and the issue that most exposes the Democrats at this point immigration and to take it off the table for the majority of a whole year. Because here's the thing. If you take that issue off the table, there's there aren't too many places left for him to have a substantive fight. We've already moved the embassy in Jerusalem. He's going to go to Vietnam and slurp on the North Korean leader. So we're not gonna have a fight there. Then you're left with, you know, internet memes and Twitter trolls in the problem with those is for all the clicks, they generate amongst folks. Like, you the the the the rest of America. That's not hanging out with us. Here hates that crap. Having just hated they think it's mature, it's annoying. They can't stand it. Okay. And so if you take a principled fight off of the table known. I talked to myself yesterday and said the way my mind works if it doesn't stay busy on good things. It's gonna stay busy on something else. Right. Okay. That's kind of version of what I'm talking about here. He likes to be in the arena, he likes the Conti likes to feel like he is in the in a contest of will see prefers that pretty clear. Well, if you if you take one if you take a principled one off the table. It's gonna be replaced with you know. More. We're gonna ban Jim Acosta, then go to court and get to there. I mean who loses to Jim Acosta in court. Okay. I mean, all the stuff that that matters to people will be off the table playing parents going to be funded every battle that would matter would be largely off the table and funded for the next seven months. And all you would get is Mitch McConnell green deal show votes. That's all that. We would have this entire time which again, drives clicks here and on Twitter. But the vast majority of Americans hate that crap. They don't watch cable news. They don't watch network news. They're not on Twitter. They cannot stand most of that. All right. So you would be essentially vacating the space for the majority of this year. You would be politically vacating the space that you just use your state of the union address to claim. And you would say, hey, I'm you he I'm the guy for better for worse. I'm going to answer the call of history here. And I'm for all of my issues. I am going to be the guy that wreck that I'm gonna stand a quart of these leftist on your behalf. Seventy six percent of the people in the CBS poll said thank you. We've been looking for somebody to do that. And you don't have to be great. You don't have to even you know, be the the best person in the world. Can you just be speed bump between us and that just a hold them off? Thank you. And now he's gonna respond with. And that's the way I'm going to do that is every opportunity of leverage I have to hold these people back. I'm now going to give that up for the majority of the year two thousand nineteen I'm going to hand it off for seven months, and we're already almost into March. So we're really talking about most of this year. Help me. I'm just talking now from as a political guy. Forget about principles everything else. I'm just talking now as political guy. Whereas Kellyanne I've been a political hack. Yeah. That would be my question, I've been a political hack. Me to understand why that's good for him politically. I that makes zero sense to me, and whatever the blowback may be of another shutdown which again can be you can just re just Vert this by if nothing will Steve what's the alternative? I often get asked what's your alternative? Then when you take your car to the lot. If you knew how to fix it. Guess where you wouldn't. Would you take it to somebody pay them to do it? If you knew how to do it or you have the time to do it. No, she take it there. And they're the expert, and they're the one that has the job, and you hire them, and they tell you it's fixed when you drive it off the lot and then know day or week later it breaks down again when you bring it in. And they look at you and said, well, what do you suggest? We do. What are you thinking? Well, what the hell do you have? If I knew how to do your job. What an I have it. Why why it's not our responsibility to tell him how to be president of the United States. Okay. But since I know some of you will ask me. And some of his staunchest Shiels will as well. I'll answer you you want to know, what is dramatically better, politically, and it now, it's not principled. On any reasonable stretch. But you know, would be a dramatically better political outcome is if he just kept re-signing these two week resolutions all the time. Because at least every two weeks you'd get to reset this debate every two weeks you'd have a platform to remind the American people. Here's who the Democrats are. Here's what we don't have a budget. Here's what we don't have a wall. I'm not gonna shut the government down. I know you don't like that. I listened to the people you don't want shutdowns. I listen to the people I won't shut the government down any more. Right. But if you wanna know why we're having this argument every two weeks. They don't listen to the people, you here's what you told me, you told me you want border security, you know, what the government shutdown. I'm willing to give you what you want. I will not shut the government down. They're the ones that won't give you the border security. You can at least reset this every two weeks until the American people were so freaking sick of it. They said enough secure the damn border. You could at least do that. Now, that's not principled on any level whatsoever. But it's a hell of a lot better politics taking your signature issue. And really every issue. You have with them every argument you have with them and punting on your excuse to have them for the next seven months. What are you going to do? Then what are you going to talk about all this time? I think we all know, I don't care how big of a she'll you are for Trump. Ask yourself this question. What's better for him? Politically. Tweeting heart emojis to Kim Young own or smacking Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer around. What do you think is better? I gotta believe we all agree on that regardless of where we're at on Trump. No one would think it's a better universe that for him to to be out. There tweeting heart emojis to Kim Young own. Then slapping Schumer and Pelosi around on the regular. This this part is the part that makes no sense to me. And that's why you if you look at the responses, there's a common theme in all of them. There's two one is his lack of character. And see he thought that was going to be his advantage. You know, we did this show last week would member the show we did gangsters crusaders and groupies see he's used to dealing with people that are like, you know, what I really didn't want that complex Manhattan any way. And if you cut me ten million dollar check, I'll go away, and you can have it. He he thought the Democrats were like him. He thought they were the same kind of Solis. He is he thought that it'd be just gave them a lot of what they wanted. They give them some of he want. He could declare wins. They got what they want. We all walk. They're not that they're trying to win an argument with history. They're trying to alter the course of history the trying to undo history, in fact. Are not interested. They are not interested in you, get some of what you want. They won't even cut the old deals of give Democrats twenty percent of what they want or eighty percent where they want. We kicked twenty percent. And then lied are base. It's win. No the deal that Trump's getting right now that he's being told to sign this is worse than the deal. He rejected in December. It's worse. It's worse by any reasonable measure. It's worse. He came out of this for two months shut down and the state of the union speech and ended up being told you've gotta sign a deal worse than the one that we Bej it assigned before Christmas. Think about that. He was he's basically being told you're you are being denuded right now, you'll take nothing in like, that's what they're telling him. See his mistake is believing. They were his kind of Solis meeting. These people just want to walk out of here with the most toys. No, they don't. This is the conquest of the planet of the apes guys. One civilization wins one loses. He was never this is why this is why always told you when I was never Trump. He won't be able to do any of the things he wants to do. Because at ready done the whole gangsters crusaders groupies thing. The gangster always loses the crusader all throughout history. Never changes. The crusader always beats the gangster. You want to beat the crusaders? You've got to have your own crusaders. That's the only way crusaders do not lose gangsters because they don't define winning. And losing the same way. The gangster does. The gangster defines it as we made the trains run on time. The crusader makes defines it. As those are my damn trains now. That's how the crusader defines it. He can't cut these deals because he's not dealing with people that are like the people who used it. He used to deal with their Solis. But of a different way, they represent another religion the spirit of the age. They will not be dealt with. They must be defeated. Period. There's not a middle ground and the other common refrain here that I see is an and this is an excuse to reason in excuses. Why you didn't do what we all knew? You were supposed to a reason. Why you couldn't do what we hoped you could. All right. Every everything that everybody says about the Republican party is right on the money. They have left them out here with his every time. He's tried. I will give him credit. He has at least tried. That's why I'm not never Trump anymore. He's actually tried. I didn't think he'd ever try actually he's actually tried more than I thought then he's kind of given up after trying. But at least he has tried. He has tried and every time he goes out there with his you know, what flapping in the wind and these out and he looks around. And and the Republicans are like what do you mean, we lone ranger you got him. We're back here. We don't care. Because we know we can just give our our basam lying scam. Green new deal vote. And they'll forget about all the time we voted to defend or eliminate ObamaCare. And then didn't when we had the power to do it. That's the game. He is on his own. There is no doubt about that. And so everything that's not an excuse. That is a reason. 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Another one of these. That was his promise. I'm never gonna sign. Another one. Well, here we are. Here's here's something. This is from our friend Daniel Horowitz who was on with us yesterday. This Bill gives amnesty to the very people fleet fleecing our country paying cartels and trafficking. Kids it limits. The border wall and gives liberal counties veto power in a way that could override even executive action doubles, low skilled labor and expands catch and release. That's essentially, the Obama era immigration policy in a nutshell. And that member we gave you some of the preliminary numbers the other night, ten thousand fewer detention beds Obama's catch and release continues. This is sort of now were itemizing what those provisions actually will lead to and I can promise you the Daniels. Read more of the sixteen hundred pages in this Bill than the vast majority of the five hundred thirty five total members of congress that will be asked to vote on it today or tomorrow, I can promise you that. Here's another aspect of the Bill that we wanted. This is Jessica Vaughan at the center for. Immigration studies. And she notes here's a gem from the spending Bill section to twenty four a says that ice may not remove any sponsor or potential sponsor or member of a household. You AC basically is an an icon is a unaccompanied child that came into the country illegally. Okay. That's defacto amnesty or sanctuary for anyone anywhere near one of these children. And by the way, thirty to forty percent of MS thirteen arrests have been folks that claimed they had these unaccompanied minors children. Why because they're MS thirteen gang doing human trafficking. And so what happens is the human traffickers say we've got these children and yet for the kids, and you don't want to you don't lock up the kids you want to separate the kitchen. The parents all the way on this game arguments. We've heard are you saying that people who come here illegally or also we also taking advantage in a very cynical way of our lax immigration laws that what you're saying. Yeah, I'm saying they're they're more inclined to at the very least. It's what happens is the human traffickers say, well, we've got these kids they're in a company to can't separate us. Okay. Go about your way. And that's how that's how they get away with it. And so this Bill essentially gives them more free license to go ahead and continue doing exactly that member. The story from two thousand twelve that we played for you here on the show a few weeks ago reminded me exactly the guy who says well, no children the illegal alien who says no children live here. We're just saying that fifteen do in order to get money for them and social security numbers. Okay. That's that's what she's addressing as just one provision in this on the bus Bill that the president appears to be poised to sign which by the way, again won't just take the immigration issue off the table. But every fight that you wanna have in congress with the Democrats for the majority of this year off the table because it's gonna fund everything for the next seven months, which has prompted I've been critical of her in the past. That's why again, we call balls and strikes. Laura Ingraham is exactly right here. So the president has his hand forced to sign a one thousand one hundred fifty nine page Bill that we know is filled with Andy. St. pork, and we'll room total scam. President Trump wasn't elected for this right on the money sister. Goodness said it better myself, gentlemen, any thoughts on this before we move on. If it isn't. Now, if it wasn't when the midterms were voted on a couple of months ago, this presence is about to become a broken arrow to get get back in the helicopter pull out a walk. I mean, it's it is utterly pointless. Other than a last ditch effort until ward off of progressivism in the election of twenty twenty. And that just means he's a warm body. That's not them. But he's being he's currently being used by them right now. So by extension you make of that. What you will just this is why and I'm saying it's not a joke. I'm giving up Donald Trump for lent. I wanna say this one more time before we move on to three questions. Okay. If you want this president to be re-elected, if you want to continue, whether you believe in him or you just don't want the communist, whatever the reasons are he's good for your business. He's good for the. Economy. He's good for your career. Whatever are the reasons you would like Donald Trump to be reelected in two thousand twenty hear me out right now. It is terrible politics to take every issue that he could beat the Democrats on off the table for the majority of this year, it's bad. And if you take substantive fights off the table with this president he's going to fill them with something else. And largely the trivial ones that most Americans don't like and drives up his negatives. He can crush these people if he fights them on substance. This would take tell the Steve what should we do? Tell the president send me a two week resolution. It can even have every word don't change a word. It's just for the next two weeks. But no, we're not taking everything off the table for the next seven months. That's the majority of this year that there's a reason why it's time this way in the Democrats want to do it because the president grabbed all the moral high ground in the state of the union last week. And he's now about to say, I'm not going to go on offense with any of it for the next seven months. Well for not gonna fight on this for the next seven months. We're gonna fight on Jimmy memes. And outside of our own self pleasure in circles. No one else in America likes that. Not one suburban woman who voted democrat last year is going to be persuaded by that this is terrible politics policy and everything else aside. It's it's terrible. It's a terrible idea. It's not handing the bowl to Todd Gurley. The entire the entire Super Bowl bad. That's what it is guys. Of said, my piece it's get to three questions. We all have questions. Why am I here? Larry my going who am I search the question of identity? Why am I here? A question of meeting pump. Where am I going question of destiny some better than others? What sort of the relative proton eligible dukes that to find in a chimpanzee? Injecting some levity into the demise of western civilization. It's three questions on the Steve day show. Brought to you by Cosmo hurts kids miss, Victoria. 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What's one that hasn't happened that you would like to see in your lifetime the one that has happened? I thought I would never see. Is is Michigan winning Rose Bowl to win a national championship football? When that happened in nineteen ninety seven I never thought I would see that just given how the Rosebowl had been a graveyard for. So many of our teams over the years the one I don't think I'll ever see again. I hope I'm wrong. Okay. But when we first moved to Michigan when I was a kid, and I I started adopting on the Michigan sports teams and the Tigers when the World Series my first full year as a Michigander and right now off the top my head. I can still give you the starting nine for the nineteen Eighty-four Detroit Tigers for the interest of time. I won't. But I mean that team is in my DNA. I mean, it's it's it's imprinted on you know, on me, and we just went through an era where we were in the playoffs pretty much every year for almost a decade and couldn't win a World Series. And that has me concerned that I may never see my Tigers. When when again going back to nineteen Eighty-four when you have that much to stain success, and you can't get it done and the one I I don't think I will ever see I think we all know what that one is come on. Yeah. I mean, one playoff win in sixty two years, right? The Detroit lie L I E wyans. All right. I don't believe I'll ever see them when a Super Bowl. The one I thought I would never see an it's happened three times as the the Wisconsin badger basketball team in the final four, and we were, you know, like seven minutes away from a win at thing too. So amazing the thing that will never happen again. Well, I mean, it's just to go off of what Steve says what the lions with the embarrassment of riches that has been the Packers with a farve and Aaron Rodgers like I it's just brought back to like with the Broncos right now and signing flacco, it's just I it just reminds me of how lucky the Packers have been. And I mean, there's how on earth is that the next quarterback going to be able to live up to that in the one. What's that never will happen in my fandom never happened? Two two two. Can I can it doesn't have to be specific to your should've been? I'm sorry. I should have been less specific. It doesn't have to be specific to your. Yeah. Well, the one that my inclination was to make it all about me. Well, I said I said what I said in your phantom. So I it's my. Well, well, never that's never. It's never Cal Ripken. That that's the the streak that's ever see. Yeah. Stone. What sixteen versus one last year yet, you MBC? That's that's I never thought that that was going to happen. One sports accomplishment. You don't think you'll see again in your lifetime? Probably the triple crown. I didn't those things are seemingly so rare and that just happened to a couple of years ago, and then one twelve on Cabrera dinner, right? The triple crown. No, I'm talking about in horse racing and horse actually happen twice now in the last seven or eight years. Yeah. No. That was that's that's nuts because I used to watch that when I was when I was growing up and never happened. Thing. It hasn't happened in your lifetime that you'd like to see I don't think the Browns have run a Super Bowl in my lifetime. That playoff wins in the same amount of time. Yeah. I would like to see them when a a Super Bowl because even if the chiefs don't win one before they do it will still give me hope that even the Browns even the Browns can win a bowl. You guys are all fired the wrong answer the last one should have been your Lyons. When it Super Bowl because we feel for you. And we want this to end this anguish to end. Sure. Sure. Next one, it's different. It's same question. Kind of just the inverse, but it's different for each of you. So we'll start with Todd actually for this one. If that's all right. What's one thing that can happen in the next Star Wars film Todd that would redeem the new trilogy for you. Well, oh, man, that's tough. Because I'm I'm like, I don't even really I'm not worried about going to see it right away. It's that disconcerting to me. But my prediction awhile back if they if they do with Luke if they full on bring him back, and they do it as a way to spin the the death of Carrie Fisher, and by extension, the death of laya that the within the force a a great act of sacrifice has to be had to bring Luke back because Luke's the only way for for good to win. And therefore laya knows that she must die to bring Luke back. I mean that that's actually that should be no brainer. If they haven't thought of that fire everyone because it's actually so obvious. I'm not a genius for thinking it up. But if they do it in any other way, I'm going to be disappointed, quite frankly, Steve one thing that could ruin this new trilogy for you that could happen in the next Star Wars film, and you switch your because I'm not as negative on as you guys are. Yeah. Bring back yard driving's. Oh, come on D, more serious. Bar. Let's I think. The fill the number one. Failure of Ryan Johnson's movie, in my view is that he didn't make a sequel to the force awakens, he made his own Star Wars movie, and it's a very well made movie, regardless of whether you see political message in there you like or don't like, you know, the the the casino planet. Thirty minutes is complete waste of time. But the other two hours of the film is exceedingly well as high grade filmmaking. It's just not as it's just not a sequel to the force awakens, it's his own movie. And so I think Jj Abrams number one goal is. He must go back and give people the sequel to the force awakens that they thought they were going to get all along. He must explore the deeper mythology behind snow the knights of Ren who Ray really is rather than kind of having all these kitschy postmodern. Everything's nothing answers to all of these things. Okay. I think I think he needs to actually make a film that is a sequel. 'al to the storylines. He introduced in the force awake. In that. Ryan Johnson clearly wanted nothing to do with. This is going to sound off the wall crazy here. And I'm going to ask myself the same answer the same question that I asked Todd because I was more critical than than than you as well. If snow in that room in that scene, which everybody's seen this movie now, so hopefully, not spoiling it for you. If he was doing the same thing that Luke was doing at the end of the movie projecting himself. So essentially, he comes back, and he's the big Batty again, he's the big villain because that was the thing he did so much about that movie talking about snow can smoke is this really creepy guy. You know, how big is it was this huge mystery. And then like halfway through them. It's a little more more than halfway through the movie. He's dead without much of a fight. I just take me off at drove me nuts too. That's the one thing that I would like to fix about that movie. Okay. Quickly. The last one if you were forced stay with me on this one as well. If you were forced to write your will. And in your will you had to write that a band played at your funeral, and you only had three choices who would you choose from these following three choices, Billy Joel Neil diamond or. Bob Dylan, please provide a reason. I would choose Billy Joel to me the the song library is dramatically superior to the other two. Plus, he's in my key. So tacking the day. He was a karaoke Goto. Okay. No, no. I didn't say I was good. I just said he was in my key. I didn't think it was good. I didn't say it was a good key. I didn't say the key fit. All right. I didn't say I said it was in my key. That's all. Neil diamond. You said we talk about your home into America. I'm going to Dylan Bob Dylan. Boys yoga, do then the. Yeah. The weird voice. Singing over my house. My cold room temperature body that would be in the. You gotta just no you just got to read Dylan's lyrics because you'd like them history dropped in sung better by other people and their Bill. They're pulls, quite frankly. Sometimes sometimes we had come back. Our two is next. Stay tuned. And we are back with our to this day show here live and on demand on the blaze. If you are listening to us on the podcast, whether that'd be Stitcher Google play Spotify tunes. Whatever is the podcasting platform of your choice. If you could leave us a five star review, we would greatly. Appreciate that. 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Well, it it's it's it's four degrees with seventeen inches of snow here in Iowa. So enjoy your rain. Thank you. And in an American culture that celebrates victimology, I believe I have exceeded you on the weather. Whether intersection -ality scale, I'm above you. Now that is true. You are more than therefore. I I read your article with interest because just to give you a little background on me. The I worked I literally didn't just support. I literally worked for the Ted Cruz campaign in the last election and was heavily involved in helping to organize my home state of Iowa the first in the nation caucus state and worked for the campaign all the way until the last day in may, and the reason that I was never Trump has someone that got to know Donald Trump that that he came too early on in his run as I write about in truth. Moms an entire chapter about my, you know, more than a year dealings with Trump as he was ramping up his presidential run is I didn't believe the obvious character concerns in of of his life. Justified the risk of what I thought was unlikely to be any kind of our y on a policy standpoint. And then I would essentially go out there and carry water for someone that I didn't think could get elected. But then if he did wouldn't deliver the goods, and then would just walk away at age seventy cash continue to be a billionaire while people like me are left with our careers in tatters and the conservative principles. We have fought for that. You know, have now been kind of bastardized and blighted in the minds of many Americans that was the moral calculus that I made at the time the first weekend of his presidency when he tried to actually invoke in impose the the travel ban on countries that President Obama had labelled as terrorist havens. I was shocked because I thought there was I think he could keep any of these promises. Matthew, not a one of them. And so the very first week, and he said about going after initially I care. About the immigration issues been front and center for me since long before Donald Donald Trump was still writing checks to Planned Parenthood when I was caring about the immigration issue. And so now, I kind of feel like well his first weekend of the presidency's fighting on an issue. I care about do I because I'm never Trump. So do I oppose a policy that I believe in and believed in before I ever met Donald Trump, or if I do that actually becoming the same hack just the other side of the coin of this. You know, the the Scottie Hughes, and the you know this ball Harum, scare them of Trump chills that crawled out from pus infested rocks in the last campaign. Don't I become exactly the what I'm with them offended me? And so I made the decision then that you know, what in the end if he's whoever wants to do what I think is right. I'm gonna help him. And whoever does what I think is wrong. I'm going to oppose them previous considerations, those sorts of things be dammed. And so never Trump kind of. Ended for me when the election ended once took office, and I've just been here when he's when he does what I like, I like it when he doesn't I don't. And I've I've watched this whole debate about the what's left of never-trumpers over the last year. Matthew, and what I've noticed is. For every Steve day or era Garrick San or Ben Shapiro that made the same, you know, calculation about why there were never Trump. There were like ten never Trumpers that it turned out. We're actually like never conservative. And now, and now I'm watching Bill Kristol who used to be the, you know, if we just cut taxes, we don't even he won't even support tax cuts. Now, Trump puts his name on it. And I'm fascinated by the fact that you zeroed in on Jona Goldberg in your piece that we're talking about here today because I mentioned last hour. I thought Jonah Goldberg might be the last never-trumper who hasn't completely and totally big-name guy abandoned conservatism altogether to remain never Trump. So that's sort of my background with being never Trump. And the way I've observed the way it's evolved since I kind of left behind I want to turn it over to you your thoughts. Yeah. I think that what you're describing is something many people went through in different ways. Right. I mean, there were people who in the, you know, the American people are people who thought, well, I don't know. I'm not sure about Trump, and they changed their mind as time went on based on the evidence based on what they saw happening in American politics. And unfortunately, many of their leaders did not do that. And. You know, it's understandable, people have different candidates. They support in a primary primaries can be brutal. But I think you're exactly right. You see a lot of leaders who who simply refused still refused to deal with what's actually happening in American politics right now. And I hope it's revelatory. I hope that more people see what you see which is that for many of these people who were our leaders it is now questionable. Whether they were ever conservative in the way that we thought they were. How much of this is that you know, I learned I've been involved in a lot of primary fights and the Republican party all over the country in the last decade, and one of the things I write in my book truth bombs is the only political party that hates people like me more than Democrats or the Republicans, and they will do is seen them do things to be candidates backed in primaries or covered in primaries. You would never see them do these sorts of cutthroat tactics to Democrats in the general election. I mean, look at look at Mitt Romney is not isn't even sworn in as a Senator yet and the minute. He literally touches down in Washington. He writes virtue signaling piece about Trump in the Washington Post and yet he's been silent. While we've had not one, but two democratic governor say kill all the things basically, even after they're born, and they leave the birth canal, kill them all fire up the Metallica if you want and he's got nothing to say nothing to say about that. Okay. So I wonder how much of this is. And I say this. To my audience. Matthew, you told me if this is going to far in your view that the Republican party's leadership would rather lose elections to Democrats than lose control of the Republican party to people like them your thoughts on that. We're gonna try to reconnect with him via Skype here in a moment. Todd. You were the one that brought this piece to my attention originally, and considered thought that this is something we should be discussing on the show tell our audience what? Well, Matthew, I came to my attention because of the piece he wrote regarding Tucker Carlson and Tucker Carlson took a lot of flack for talking about themes that he brought it up for specific reasons. But he brought up themes that in general, we talk about on the show all the time. It's about ultimately, what do we really view if you were an actual conservative. What is this movement really supposed to be an who are the people that are we can serving what are we conserving? And why are and this is where Matthew comes in? When he names in terms of he uses term lead ISM elite is government is always run by elites on both sides on some level. That's unavoidable. But who are? What do they really stand for? Are. They remotely conservatives at all in just in asking the question, you're about to get an answer to. That's where we're at match. We have you back. Go ahead, sir. Sorry about that. I think that we're in a time right now where we're trying to figure out what does it mean to be conservative? Right. I mean that is isn't open question. And in fact, I think the word conservative is is a bit of a problem these days because it's not clear what it meets, right? I mean, given given that the people who were the leaders of conservatism have gone in different directions. It's very unclear I think people what is policy, and what is principal. And I think what we need to do with the Claremont institute exist to do. And what we explore on the American mind dot org. Are new publication is what's what's actually principle of American government that stays the same. And what is what does that mean for policy with changes in our circumstances? Right. Sometimes you have to adjust you've just law and policy based on whatever you're dealing with people at the time. And so you know that that's something that the right is. Generally is generally speaking right now is a process that we're going through a need to rethink. What is a principal and per what is the what are the principles purposes of American government, and therefore what the policy be that we stand for based on those principles Todd mentioned your response to Tucker Carlson's commentary that kind of lit up a lot of people on the right last month. And when I listened and watched it it reminded me of an observation we have been discussing on this show. So my friend Ted Cruz beets beta aerobic by what three points in Texas last November Texas right now, if it was its own economy would be one of the ten fifteen it was his own country strongest economies on this planet. All right now, my old home state of Michigan has some impoverished areas like Detroit or Flint, I can understand if I were a conservative governor in a state like that or county Commissioner I can understand why I might cut a deal with social media giant. To bring a bunch of jobs here. Even the cost of that will be importing a whole bunch of democratic voters that will vote against me. Probably. Okay. But, but but I would understand why make that calculation because you know, our most basic needs aren't being met in our communities food on their tables. They need jobs. Okay. Help me understand though. How much more economic growth does Texas need that that that that it just without even thinking about it? Let's import the last three points of beta or work voters that he didn't have last month. I mean, how many more how many more jobs, do you need how much more job growth the need? Right. And this, and I thought Tucker was at least a tempting to have a conversation about what is it? We're trying to conserve. And and everything that makes everything that that in that pads. A bottom line is good no matter what the reverse is. No matter what the societal cost is anything that leads to more money is good. Really? That's that's what we're about here. And whether I agreed with every inkling of it or not I thought the very least he was attempting to have a meaningful conversation that were judging when when I watched Neal Gorsuch being applauded by most of conservative media because of his views on the Chevron doctrine, but we had no idea what in the world is views were on Roe v. Wade that to me is kind of an example of what Tucker Carlson was touching on a little bit in his in his monologue. There. Your thoughts on that Matthew. I would say I mean, I think again, if we go to principles we return to the principles, you'll see that the founding generation, obviously, they did not they did not NC of social programs of the Lao? Such a great society. Right. Wasn't even on their radar. But they certainly saw a relationship between economic policy and morality, and I'll give you an example Noah Webster in seventeen. Eighty eight is writing in praise the. Petition in support of a constitution. And he use a pamphlet. It's really about economic policy and in it. He says, look, you know, money affects morality, and if you have poor fiscal policy, you encourage bad choices and bad decisions that lead to injustice in that's odham as but he's not suggesting conservatives have trained themselves to think well that kind of talk must made on liberal. It must be a socialist. That's crazy government does alternately exists to help people. Right. I mean, that's we have it. We want to be safe. We want all kinds of goods for ourselves and our families. It's just we don't think that candidates are the way to go. Right. So let me give you an example of of the kind of policy no Webster with support. He said if you make if you make debt very easy, if you make credit very easy to people who don't have money were four you put them in you almost the occasion of sin. You put them in a situation in which they're going. Take the money because they need it. And then they're going to be indebted up to their ears. And they're, you know, they're they're at the behest. Now, they're they're controlled now by a number of other people, and so you should restrict lines of credit to people who won't be able to pay it back. Right. And what he says that's actually a moral policy because up strain people to deal with what they have on the ground. So so so the crazy thing about this Tucker deals all Tucker was Angones economic policy can help or hurt the family and don't we care about the family since preservatives to say economics has nothing to do with the family and other higher deeper things that we care about. I it's puzzling to me, and it's it's Tori that so many people are saying, oh, no economic policy is just something that is completely separate from the rest of politics. And you know, it used to be called political economy because we saw the economics has to be related to to the rest of politics. And if we. Op about Justice. Then the left will. I mean, that's all talk about. And they don't understand but Justice is, but we need to understand what justices because as the federal spe say Justice is the end of government and people will desire Justice, eventually if they don't get it. They don't think they're getting Justice. Liberty will be lost in pursuit of Justice. And so so we have to completely reframe our rhetoric more long lines puckers talking about I think if we want to reach the American people make strong case for relied, right? Our people when we when when when they hear arguments like this for me or today, they're hearing it Matthew from you. And and they're like, yeah. That makes sense. That's what I don't hear a lot of quote, unquote, conservative media. And why would we've been talking about these things? This is why I'm a conservative. And you know, why is Rush Limbaugh leading off today with Hillary's emails instead of what let's let's sign a budget that essentially gives the Democrats everything they want for the next seven months as opposed to pointing out to the country how crazy and communists. They are. And our people ask questions of me all the time about why they don't hear more about the stuff you're saying now, and I have a theory having working in this industry at a fairly high level. And I think that a lot of it is just very Basic Instinct much of what is known as conservative media is largely fronted. And backed by donors, and isn't commercially all that successful. And one of the biggest for example, would be the coke brothers. They would be much more in line with a abortion open borders, and as long as Neil Gorsuch is okay. On the if Neal Gorsuch was bad on the Chevron doctrine, and and pro-life they opposed him. Okay. And so there's there most of the major donors on the right are secularists most of the major donors in the left are too. But they're the true believers in the leftist religion. All right there. The the Tom stiers the Warren Buffett's the Bill Gates. They truly are exposed as of the progressive spirit of the age. Most of the major donors that front a lot of the the various entities that audiences like ours are exposed to would be more secular than they are they they would be more of a more different type of libertarian than what you'd get out of Milton Friedman or a or even a Ron Paul for. Example. And and so the work in a lot of what the information coverage and what's highlighted? They're exposed to is just simply a byproduct of these things are what we're highlighting in covering the guys that are keeping the lights on and writing the checks wants to cover and want us to write about. I think that's one of the most one of because I think we need to explain to audiences. Why there is this gaping hole in our movement? When most people that are that are in the in the concert that are conservatives came into our people that are middle class people who have no idea what the Chevron doctrine is. I think that's where gases and it's too expensive. All right. So that's that. I think we need to answer for them. This question. Why aren't they getting more of the kind of themes that you're talking about? And I just think it's the Benjamins. But what are your thoughts? Well, I think certainly is some of that there's a lot of there is a lot of ignorance about how the media works about. How donors certainly do support. A lot of it as you say, I don't think it's all about the Monday. Although I think that's important. So let me put it this way. Some of it is as simple as as as you describe. It's look people wanna keep their little spot. And so they don't wanna say anything that would deviate from kind of libertarian in the extreme sense, economic view and social issues be damned, but that's gonna change because of what is happening now. Right. I mean, a lot of that's been repudiated in is being repudiated, and the reason Tucker crossings monologue was so important is because he saying the kinds of things that you're saying and Alvin people are taking notice in the realizing this is actually popular this is where things are going to go. So I'm very hopeful about this. But another part of this is elite education in general. I mean, people who regarded as educated people who regard themselves as important because of the money, they have these these people are trained and the culture in which they live is is simply. It avoids morality it will talking about morality and avoids talking about the family. You know, you're not supposed to talk about that sort of thing. In fact, you know, you're not supposed to be patriotic at all. So there's an enormous problem in elite culture that that you know, the right has partaken in for a long time quietly and people on the ground are recently aware of it. And that's something that we do need to solve because we're not gonna get away with a, you know, a purely populist movement without leader or people who are actually excellent at stuff. Right. So elite elitism has has elites have a bad bad connotation here leading you think? Oh, gosh. If you're like me and on the right like, but the problem is we do need leaders people who are actually were actually a better than most people at various things. And the problem is that elite education or the places that we take those leaders from now really teach people that. Yeah. You don't talk about morality and politics. That's terrible. Unless you're s j w Bennett's okay than that, you just kinda speak a utilitarian language of officiency. You don't talk about Justice talk about it in a think tank type reports that have to do with numbers that safe. That's okay. That's what that's what the conservative think tank world is very comfortable with we wouldn't wanna tie this though to issues of Justice that by the way, actually political. And this is seeing now is the the return of real politics. You know, under trumpet, a real real political waking in some ways in America, where people are bypassing all that kind of utilitarian language and most of it's a lot of garbage. You know, they're talking about officiency ran we have people who are committing suicide in. We're worried about the efficiency of data on the Federal Register. I mean, this this is crazy. And so so how do we return to that? We can't return to amass. We have a elite elites who are actually lead were. Well, educa-. It'd who understand the principles and purposes of the founding absolutely what you're telling our audience. This is really important. What you what you just said to them? The other side are cultural jihadists, we aren't going to defeat them with technocrats. You know, our founders were many of them were were elites many of them were educated at what are now Ivy league schools and graduated before they rate teen years old. All right. But they were, but they, but they understood their place in history. And ultimately what their role was in in order to create the United States of America. They under that. If you read the declaration of independence. It's a mission statement it is it is not a technocratic manual by any stretch of the imagination. And that's that's kind of what you're going to is the other side is creating religious converts. We're we're, you know, we're we're doing math, and, you know, the technocrats go to lose to the Jihadist every. Single time every single time. Give you the last word. That's why elite education has failed because without a response. The social Justice warriors they're gonna win every time and they'll control the campus. Because at least they talk about what's Justin on just. And if we don't talk about that, we will not win great stuff from Athy Peterson vice president of education, the Claremont institute will definitely do this again some time. God bless thanks for coming on today. Pre. She it a great day. You know what? The timing of this with what's going on today. Because even if you are a Trump skeptic what he said about we're having real political conversations is how many times have I said the last couple of weeks. We're finally having the debate. I have I have tried to get Republicans to provoke Mayan tire career, and they have it. And what's happening is even if you are here's what I would say Jona Goldberg if he were sitting here today. You know, what thank your lucky stars for Trump. Because even if everything you're saying about him is true. The fact that the Democrats agree with you about who he is has prompted them to be more upfront and honest. And forthcoming about who they are. And what they really want. They think he's so unpopular now that they can take the mask off because they've they've wanted see, you know, one of the things various tells us in an plot is the devil doesn't really like being anonymous. He's he this is the ultimate ego. I'm I wanna be God. What's more egotistical than that? That's why the root of all the root of all sin is what pride. All right. The devils. Tired of us giving him giving his credit, you know, bad education. Opioids he's tired of everything else in our society, getting credit for our demise. Except where it absolutely he believes belongs. And when you have a movement that comes from the same prideful impulse we shape history. We're basically good, we know better. We can make a utopia. Those are the same instincts. You you really you'll use anonymity for a while. But ultimately, you want the door to the Trojan horse to open, you know, you want folks to know who you are which you really about they've been dying for the moment. You wanna plant your flag all of your opponent's home stadium. Yes. So even if you're a hardened Trump skeptic on the right? Praise him that the Democrats has at using him as their foil, the left now is being as being brutally honest about what they brutally want to impose on us. We're we're actually now having the discussions in the debates that are long overdue that when when the late Andrew Breitbart said politics, flows, downstream from culture. This is what he meant. She the Democrats have been trying to do cultural Tara forming all this time, we've been devait debating government, officiency technocratic matters. The reality is if you take if you take the regulatory state off the table the coke brothers agree with the Democrats on everything else that you care about. That's just the truth. And they're above the biggest and most well known donors on the right? That's a problem. Okay. That's a problem. Tell me who the big money democratic donor is who just wants. Government to work for his business interests and doesn't really care about all the other cultural mumbo jumbo tell me who that is. You can't eh person doesn't exist. Their big donors are in on the cultural mumbo jumbo. They fund it. Bill Gates and Warren buffet have funded. How many abortions around the world with the millions of dollars? They've donated to that. 'cause over the years millions of dollars they've donated they're all in. So. That's another reason why I think it's a terrible mistake to sign this budget today. Because he's not gonna get to have these debates for the next seven months, and if he doesn't have these debates areas gonna have the trivial ones that make the drive people away. It's case in point today. Look at New York, they're so Amazon's not going to build their headquarters there now maybe on a on a day. That's not like today with the Bill the spending Bill Senate Bill or is spending Bill that is up for that. It's just that it's complete crap and bunk that we talked about earlier in the show, maybe on a typical day that might be an opportunity to talk about the injust. What's pick your lane when it comes to that story out of New York? But no, that's the lead story everywhere right now, Shannon, joy, or friend. I don't know if this is true completely or not. But she monitors stuff. She said that Rush Limbaugh started opened up his show today talking about Hillary Clinton's emails. That's like an Ilian. That's like Yulianto. Mar what we're talking about yesterday. Just of such a perfect parody another conservative media that it's just too sad to be true. That's what we talked about yesterday. The the one job wearing member of congress says to defend the department of homeland security and today the biggest name of all time and conservative media who's devolved into a Trump. She'll still talking about Hillary's Email, and there's an opportunity to pressure Trump to keep having the debate that he's gonna put his pen to paper today in fund Hillary's government. That's what he's gonna do. That's what he's gonna do. What's more important, you her emails or funding? Her schemes make choice. You know, it's bad enough. Your IRS problems ruined twenty eighteen don't let it ruin twenty nineteen as well. Consider what's at stake? When the IRS has you in its sights, your check your Bank account, your business, maybe even your own home. And you're smart. That's why you better know better than to deal with the IRS alone. You need help from our friends at Optima Tax Relief, America's number one tax resolution firm. 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And the reason that we use the ESPN version, it's you know, this isn't the version that policed. You know, there's there's we just like the V because it's common English. But from a word for word translation of the original manuscripts. So I can Ivy would be a a thought for thought what does that mean? It means a team the alot Jains, basically who are fairly orthodox in their theology. But are interpreting the original manuscripts into a modern vernacular. That's kind of what it means. Okay. So the V is a word for word translation of of the scriptures in a modern English vernacular. So that's why we use the ESP. So we continue now chapter three. Now. Remember, this is where Paul is pivoting. All right. So the apostle Paul. Who is a who is educated and schooled in the elite schools of Judaism gamma is his mentor one of the leading Jewish teachers and scribes of the time. And then he comes to believe mainly because he's encountered person a person that Christ is the messiah that he has been waiting for. And now, the irony is as someone that was completely embedded deep in to the elite sectors of Jewish culture where part of the definitions of being a holy people as being set apart. They were to be set apart from the pagan people so that they didn't essentially get wrongly influenced by them because when you look at times that God judges the Jewish people in the Old Testament. It is always when they fall into inter intermarriage inter worship. And they start worshiping the fake foreign demons and fake Gaza of the pagan people. And so Paul is now called to be the apostle to the gentiles. Meaning the non Jewish people as an this is sort of symbolic of the notion now than when Jesus goes into the temple famous in the New Testament when he's mad at how they turned into a market. And he says my how you quotes from the prophet. Isaiah my house, she'll be a house of prayer for all nations that this is now an outward symbol that. God is now turning get a bring the word of God to the entire globe through Christ. And Paul is that first apostle to the gentiles, and therefore writes a lot of the New Testament because we're going into these Greek gentile areas, and there's a lot of tension about, you know, this is a totally different religion originally. This was a Jewish debate. Originally, you have a group of Jews debating with another group of Jews is Jesus the messiah or not. So they largely agreed on the moral and Cleese premises of the of the of the day. Okay. They the the real debate was Jesus the messiah is he the? Fulfillment of the of our of our hopes or not or they still unfulfilled. But now we start going into these gentile areas. We don't even agree on how to eat how to dress. How to do a lot of basic things. All right. And so he's got a as the apostle to the gentiles. Now, he is he's helping to sift through a lot of these arguments. So in chapter one and his letter to this church. He asserts, you know, the what what we've called Christ Allah. Gee, what is what what is the proper orthodox view of God in chapter two. He then goes into. Essentially being discerning separating yourself from false false the allergy from worldly philosophy doctrines of demons, basically, he calls them empty hollow. Shallow. All right. There's no there there. And now we're in chapter three where he says. Now that we are rejecting what's bad. Here's how we live for what's good for. What's right? Okay. All right. So we're going to pick this up in verse twelve put on then as God's chosen ones. Holy. And beloved, compassionate, hearts kindness. Humility that's a word we've been using a lot on our show, recently meekness and patients bearing no there is no word weakness is not there. Pushover is not there. Which means that must not mean what meekness and humility wimp must not mean. With those me. Bearing with one another and if one has a complaint against another forgiving each other as the Lord has forgiven you where did you get that idea from Lord teaches how to pray our father who art in heaven hallowed be the name like kingdom? Come. I will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day, our daily bread and forgive us, our trespasses as we have four given others. That's where he gets that from. Okay. And above all, these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony, and let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts to which indeed you were called in one body and be thankful, but the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching at admonishing one admonishing admonishing one another what is it? What does it mean to admonish rubbing the belly and telling you everything's gonna be all right and the bad man gonna go away. That's what I mean. Or correct means to correct you. In order for me to correct you. I most I do what a firm, you know. I I get it. It's the millennial. He's he brings a lot of baggage to the table here. All right. Let the word of Christ. Well, and you richly teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing, psalms, and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. And whatever you do in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks to God, the father threw him. If you want to know why I say on this show. I believe love is not an action. You'll hear a lot of the teachers will use this today. Right. You know in a couple of months it's going to be graduation season. And almost every home school kid in America except mine. Mine mine may end up doing it just to troll me because she is very much like me, you know. So I totally see her doing that. In fact, I see Anna going and get her own graduation cake. Just to put this verse on their out of context to troll me. And it's your Maya twenty nine eleven right. Okay. For I know the plans, I have for you plans to harm you. But to prosper you plans to give. A hope and a future, except if you read you read, Jeremiah twenty nine ten if Jeremiah twenty nine twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen Jeremiah twenty nine seven eight nine. During in the middle of show. We call it an admonishment. We will use that word as the word. We're going with tonight in the middle of admonishment. And this is quite the admonishment. I mean daddy has taken his belt off. All right. And he's already given the this is good hurt. You more than it's gonna hurt me. Yeah. He turned it around. You gotta come in. All right. And in the middle of that. All right. So as to to punish people, but not to crush them. He offers them this hope, and then just goes right back to the show. We call it admonishment. We'll call it that. All right. So every home school kid in America every Christian school kid in America here in a few months, and we have high school graduation season is gonna put Jeremiah twenty nine eleven on their k. But eight a hallmark card guys. Okay. It's daddy in the middle of break in his foot off saying, I still love you. But this is for your own good. Okay. But you'll see that verse. You'll see what Paul writes in. I Corinthians thirteen about what love does. K- keeps no record of wrongs. I love does it. So a lot of evangelical teaching I know how y'all Catholics handle it. But a lot of Jila teaching will teach today that love is an action. I don't think it's wrong. I just don't think it's precise. Love is a motivation. And you know, where I get a lot of that thinking from what we just read. Let me give you a couple of examples. Cepal is telling us here. Even to admonish one another. But to do so while we are thankful. To do. So all we let the word of Christ. Dwelling us richly. To seeing Soames and hymns, but to do so with thankfulness in our hearts. Those are motivations. Why are we singing songs and hymns motivations answer? The why question. Valentine's Day today fell us. And at least one EV just went off nap. K, but I'm like one of my favorite gifts on Twitter with a guy does this with his head. That's one of my favorite ones. I actually. Amy's Valentine's flowers like right after Christmas. So I wouldn't forget this time. And then she told me a couple of weeks later. Hey, I gotta be gone Valentine's week. I for my residency. I gotta go to she's finishing a masters course at liberty right now actually in Lynchburg. So I'm gonna be on Valentine's week. You know, I'm like. Rush back. I'm like, what do I do? She's not going to be here. So I what I did is I we turn January fourteenth Valentine's Day. Yeah. So I still got mine in. All right. So I wouldn't do that again so fell as if you went off nap, and then you thought yourself, she told me she doesn't care. I'm on solid right now with thankfulness, and my heart turn us off or you will be turned off turn us off right now. Get the finish this later on a podcast. All right and go and do what must be done, which she lied to you when she told you she doesn't care Aaron is not married yet. Todd allow us to help him for the future when she says she doesn't care about Valentine's Day that means bar. She cares. A lot. It's a trap. It's a trap isn't not every time. Everytime undeniably. So no matter which woman of whatever political persuasion this. No, yes. No. Yes. Never that. She says to you go your friends again. Okay. It's not okay. Is it? Okay. Talk. Not. It's not okay. When she says, well, I mean, I guess if you have to do that. I guess does she want you to do that talk. No. She doesn't want you to do that. So fellas if when I said, it's Valentine's Day you were like. Yeah. We'll talk to you later. Right. Get with the program. But let's suppose you went to your wife Valentine's Day, and you said, hey, here's some flowers. Happy. Valentine's Day will love is an action, right? You committed the action of purchasing the flowers, or at least pilfering them from somebody else's garden. You presented them to her. And you even committed the action of saying happy love is action. That's what all my mega church people. Tell me you did the actions. Now would any woman feel as if you really truly meant meant for her to have a happy Valentine's Day, which feel that way. No. Because your motivations. Would seem to indicate otherwise, and she'll still probe after I show get those flowers and just say you didn't have to do that this is because she knows she knows the rules. Yes. Yes. Whatever you do the last word of the verse versus that. We're sharing today. And whatever you do. In word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks to God the father through him. Whatever you do do it for this motivation. So we struggle with it just something Steve just to be clear. Joe everything a few everything we do everything we do the motivation should be to give thanks to God. To glorify God, Steve where do you get this notion of the purpose of life is to glorify God. I just read it to there. That's where I get it from. I didn't make it up plagiarized it. That's totally different thing. That's right. Got it from everything it seems kind of judgy see everything. So so when we show patients. With what frustrates us. We do it for why? For love motivation when we had Monash. Meaning this is not a moment for patients. This is a moment for correction. This is a moment. Not let things go. This is a moment for confrontation. I'm doing that for the same motivation. That I am letting it go this time, then I'm showing patients. For the same the same motivation. I show this. So how do we reconcile Paul says to his spiritual son, Timothy and one of the pistols, be patient words of love season with salt? And then we see, you know, him just use the the Greek word and slang for poop. Describe man made religion can't stands a can't stand the way just rebukes in the harshest terms. You could imagine. Fake skeptics Galicia, you know, sons of the devil. Why it's it's the same motivation. See because you believe love is an action or an intention. You know, a lot of our audience comes from the political world in the political world the way it breaks down is conservatives want to be judged by results and liberals and leftists want to be judged by intentions kingdom of God rejects both of those fallacies. Mussolini made the trains run on time. I keep hearing Colin Kaepernick not in the NFL because he's not a good quarterback. His last year in the NFL had a sixteen. Touchdown to interception ratio. Is that good? That's pretty good. Get a ninety one QBR. Is that good? That's really good. Yeah. Completed sixty percent of forget the name forget a stances sixty percent. Sixty percent completions. Three to one touchdown interception ratio in a QBR of ninety you want that guy starting for your team. We'd be would you be okay with it? Most teams what? So this talking point. We have on the right that he's not in the NFL quarterback is false. Because actually if it was about the results of what he produces on the field. He should be in the NFL. Why isn't he on a team because his motivations aren't football? His motivations are to use a football to promote his message, and it's a highly divisive unpopular one that divides your locker room your community and everything else. That's why he's not on a team. K motivations. Are. What matter not always the end results? And then your intentions, well, I intended to feed people. Well, that's great. You also bankrupted, you know, the next four generations. And and you know, we already have the least amount of poverty in world history. Anyway, so why are we still following your good intentions that have proven to fail over and over and over again? It's not your intentions, and it's not your actions. It's your motivations. Why? Do you do what you do? Choose this day, whom you will serve I know, you're chomping. Just I think if not now next week, you might have to clear up because I know people have a problem with this. How much does everything you just said taking the language of scripture into how much does this have to do with Christians talking to Christians who are in good standing Christians talking to Christians who are backsliding. No it or don't know it Christians talking to pagans. I think that context valuable to start off perhaps next week. Sure. Same. It's the same answer what your motivation. But yes. But now, we're talking about the prudence of, you know, you know, feeding the sheep and shooting the wolves. Yes. 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