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Detroit City of Champions Episode 22: The Golden Huddle More voices from the past
"When you're listening to the podcast detroit network visit. Www dot podcast detroit dot com for more information nineteen thirty five. The lions win the nfl championship. The detroit tigers take a world series the red wings bring home morgan stanley cup. Joe lewis begins his rise to world domination. This transforms the motor city into detroit. City of champion detroit. City of champions the podcast. I'm jamie flanagan along with. And we gotta turn his mic there. We go usually test before the show but during the show is just as effective when you get here about five minutes dance alastair. He's talking three production. This guy. you're right onto house here on time. Just like i always emperor everything giving don't make sure don't all right detroit city of champions. This podcast others trilogy of books written by charles ableson and it's detroit city of champions in it's it's it's chronicling. The nineteen five year. In in sports history detroit sports history. Just astounding thirty-three championships. One in just amazing amazing stuff and in his travels. Charles came across many people to to help him. Tell the story and One of those people we've been we've been digging into His radio archive of just some amazing Pieces of print and then some astounding pieces of audio that Tom europe was able to gather tom. Thanks for being back with us. Well it's an honor to be here and you just can't get enough of the city of champions nominal and when i go out i told people and they just are amazed charles book peel tie. Yeah ties meant great. It's like Just i mean i've known him for how long i about ten years easy. Just tom's i mean just the biggest supporter for me. You know but But just the city champions in general lake i. I always talk about whenever. I talk about tom. I always say like you know. This man was bitten by the bug. Just like just like what you get bit by the city champion. There's just you're you're done. I mean it's it's just a fascinating story and grips ya. We talk about the the city of champions story being The most forgotten story the most important story in sports history and and your books are an argument for that that it is say the most important season in detroit sports history. Let's make sure we say. I say detroit impact that it had on the city state. I'd say it's it's important in sports history. One of the most important i mean. It's i think. The greatest season in in american sports history. But as you know with regards to its importance. I mean there's no there's no season in the history sports more of an impact on detroit's then this one then this one year yeah and and and they say it's forgotten because it it it it pretty much has been in in the the pieces a tape that we we were listening to tom. You were able to attend a banquet that was held on the fiftieth anniversary of the nineteen thirty five championship. The lines first championship was the only media there and yet you where are the main the main eight mainstream press. Where are they add. There was nobody there for that event. Nobody was there for that. Don shula is speaking at the event as a surprise surprise guest. True but at the same time you've got you've got a fiftieth anniversary of the lions first championship. And you know what i mean. Tom is the like. There's no other media they're like thomas with like these these tapes that were playing on this shell right now. This is the only actual firsthand information to come out of this incredible event matter of fact the newspapers did come an eighty five. I was checking the weekend that they were. There was no snow story amount november. No nothing some like no recollection of. That's that's. That's the most puzzling thing when we saved forgotten jamesy almost kind of sort of forgotten. This story was forgotten. Yeah my initial study again. Let's i want to take way back to the first when i first heard about this story. I was a senior at western in an apartment. Okay me and my two friends. Jeremy hunting kevin bush were hanging out in my apartment. And we and we're just going through this whole detroit tiger media guide and we came across this raynham fact on the ninth. I don't even know what your the tigers had won their first championship. And we were going through the thing and Going through the book and we've looked at one thousand nine hundred five sure enough and then the bottom of the page a little asterisk says. Did you know that the lines redwings also won the championships in this season. I was like i'd never heard that. That's kind of cool. I was taking a sports history class at that moment in needed topic to choose. Chose this just to find out just to like find out a little bit more about it. And that's why. I went to the original books. Read a two page paper pages acumen. I had just come back from the university of edinburgh scotland. One of the foremost history colleges in the world for studying history. And i have to write a two page pay for about a detroitsports tops and when i try to paper i cannot just go know just like anything you go to the books you go to the internet you. These different you know your basics you'll search functions and i could not find enough information to fill a two page payment. I'm either a horrendous. Historian renders research. Nothing along my ways about how to real facebook report or there's literally nothing there and if there's no information on something this information to remind modern day people who were no longer there say by definition this story that has been literally forgotten right and and you've resurrected with these books. This was the in my mind. This was the staff. The first step was to isolate exactly to nail down at factual evidence of what took place that was. The first step was to build a cornerstone around. Because there's all this like mythology around like oh they want how many championships. I don't know how your who did what i don't know. Are you sure there was thirty. Thirty three sounds a bit ridiculous. Are you sure there's that many yes. There were and i went through every single one presented the evidence systematically going through it now. This is the goal. This book was to focus on this season to identify fact from fiction and to say what happened in nineteen thirty five. That was my goal was established. A foundation of fat. In upon that fact now is the job of everybody. They here's the story. Reads the story like this to britt to help. Bring the story back. That's the now that now. We are in the effort of bringing the story back the modern day and again i point to the evidence was zinni's books to say. Yes the story happening. And now it's time to bring it back and it is great. I mean you can scour youtube and you'll find some clips of some vintage football and you'll you'll find some vintage portsmouth clips and you'll find some vintage Lions clear From the day and actually it was The just on. Tom and i were talking about this before the show Thanksgiving is a big detroit tradition and it began with the football game which was the very first season for the lions here. Four exactly the first broadcast verse coal assholes yep across the country so that was pretty interesting and then we were commenting that They finally acknowledged it the the thirty thirty four year but they didn't mention the championship thirty five so they they had a picture of the game is like the lions lost. And it's like yeah but they won the next year the same team and then they won the champion that they left and they left that and they let that go. They showed a picture of richard's that you watch the game. Wash chunk of it. I can't even handle it. I'm still a fan but coach was actually hanging on my parents. And i'm like you know what i see it in the corner alerts coming through my phone. I'm just happy to like. Sit this kinda. You played the bears this week with the new coach. Yeah you know. Yeah but but that was. That was interesting that they finally. It's like 'cause with The world in the shape that it's in with the you know the covert in lockdown. There's there's there's there's less fodder for for the features that they do yes. They had a scrape the barrel back to thirty four gone. We don't have a terrible they they do. It's a classic dodge. Were the you know the teams. They celebrate their history when they got nothing in the present to sell them. That's a that's a classic that's a classic dodge but that's a clear thing way to sell your product and of course of course. Yeah they reach back in the nineteen thirties. Thirty thirty four thanksgiving. But there's so. But but that's what i'm saying like you know all of a sudden it's relevant to mention the nineteen thirty four lions. Why not go a little further one more year talking about more year the entire situation but they don't know about but they mentioned portsmouth did broadcast they fill up by cheer. Everyone i mean. That's i'm glad to hear that. But i'm just saying like whenever all of a sudden it's it becomes relevant to talk about something like this like you would think that they would take an advantage say in by the way the very next year like you're saying jamie they went out they want it all greatest shit but the problem is once again. This story is not in no shape municipal. That are listening to this now. There's people that we've all talked to. There's people that we've have read the books until like this. A very small percentage of people that didn't know previously are now you know now know about it but as far as mainstream story you will not find anyone you will not find any mainstream like big name troy sports presenter anywhere it's going to say did you know that the thirty five th they want an all in one thousand nine hundred eighty five. They don't talk about. It's not a mainstream subject and that's what's so insane there was not there was an article saying Our our tired. Our teams led us down exactly when we needed them most It was kinda bagging on onto choice right now. All right now we have right now. Is they're talking about her current teams because people need something lifting people need something to do You can't go to the games but you can watch them and and and it's they people need that right now and they're you know they're letting us down when we need them the most and i'm like put there's great stories out there that you guys could just ignore the thing about these stories have said i mean this is a i mean. This is one of the main components of what i believe is. This is the idea of history on people. Say life doesn't come with an instruction manual over history history. It can be a blueprint like some say will history if you don't study history you're doomed to repeat it but there's also a more positive note for that which is a safe if you learn what people did in the past how they did it what they did then you can stand on their shoulders and achieve achieve something greater than they never could have dreamed so you can replicate their the success of the past. And that's what i'm saying like there's so much to be learned shirt with regards to natalie. How the teams want it. But the psychology of the fans and how the fans ended up playing a major role in this like the fans gave this energy like you know they needed something to at this time and it was the energy. The teams fat. Even we've talked about this article the book before where the guy a writer from the time actually tries to explore why they won he actually says it's because like these these when these players went out there these fans were just craving something to get excited when the teams went out there and these fans are just going insane for every single success then eight lifted these players up like the players could do no wrong and we've seen that before we've seen elements of that throughout the history troy sports on sixty eighty four like all these different. You know these different championships were. The fans are just so engaged. They know everything about every single player they know every idiosyncrasy that comes up and that's one of the things that That you know that these teams tapped into the fans of this time were absolutely just intense about every single player in it. Lifted him up in been remember. It was a depression in those days to Well yeah they're looking for something they that was that was their life soul the sports especially when the teams are playing even remotely. Well then the fans got excited to go get excited about in debt enthusiasm and the fans again they it like you know the twelfth man you know the when the fans impact games and they actually give credit to that in these fans like the the the players at this time could do no wrong they could do no wrong as some saying like these are the kind of components you know the the the you know how the psychology of the fans can actually help you know impact these games. It doesn't seem like these are these are elements that are not like where you like the fact that the that the overall story is unknown is one thing but the loss of the story negates all of the the potential learning experiences that could be drawn from it. That's what i'm saying like it's foolish to not remember the story. Maybe one of the missing components of the current detroit. Sports is to bring back this story. In incorporated into the modern day you know mindset to celebrate what once was into bringing. You know there's all kinds of the older. I get man like you know they talk about like On-scene forces behind the scenes. You know what i mean will potentially cross the baris of like magic. You know. there's something there's things there that we cannot explain. May i mean what would it mean to have it that this this incredible story to me to be brought back in a spirit of this. You know backing these modern day teams and such saw. So we've heard anyway tom. A you were the one person listening to this voice in capturing the story on the fiftieth anniversary otherwise it would just totally slipped past it. Would it would have just been a bunch of guys having dinner at the at the hilton and that would have been that. So i was very honored. I was brought by eight kushner. He gabby be down. He told me to come early to interview the different players. They said to different tables related that earlier in the program and that was it was an it was an honor You know when. I talked to those players. You know i wasn't even born in thirty five. Yeah and i was born forty-one so it was six years spot yeah and but my father Talked about them and he talked about the city of champions but he didn't know who they all were exactly. That's trying to say. Is that a lot of times. You know the story that it hasn't been passed on to us to this day years. Somebody like oh yeah. Usually when i met at our show and i've told the story conservatively estimated i actually said it in my second book by that segment came out in two thousand thirteen. I estimated that. I talked to eighty thousand people guarding the story. Eighty thousand. That was might and that was a conservative estimate. At that time. Yeah in over the course of all those times anytime the the the rare like it was so rare to ever talk to anybody that ever even heard of this story. I mean my sign says did you know i mean it was almost like treat was a trivia question that that's what brought people going. Oh i didn't know that. And i hear that all along i didn't know it was like i don't even know one out of one out of forty or fifty that they would ever even have heard of it in those. That did they'd only heard it from like their dad or grandpa. There was no books like just heard it like somebody told me that somewhere but it was awesome seeing like it was always like a Somebody that somebody knew that somebody new told each other and that's why that one percent non there's there had been there was no lake factual basis. Like a root of foundation of fact that that you know like some sand lake like your dad's told you him but where's the you didn't even know how many championships he kept talking about. It and i kept asking who were the who. Were all the champions. He did know during that time he do the three basics and he loved joe louis servant but after that and maybe water hated after the you know take the take. That thomson example. Right there is a you know as an example Is that after this happens. World war two happens right like shortly this. This story ends in nineteen thirty six shortly thereafter. You'll nineteen thirty nine. Hitler invades this war. Europe begins and then forty one of course when the us centers. It's so there was a world war two with as far bigger events going on that people were talking about this more and so when and then when the us comes back from war of course. There's the golden era the nineteen fifties with gordie. Howe bobby lane championships. All over the place. The tigers won a championship in nineteen. Forty five right. We come back more live weeks after the war is over. The tigers are world series. Champion in the auto industry comes back golden era detroit so these stories got put in a drawer draw filed away like we'll come back another time. It's moore's way more cool stuff glowering. Now they never came back. I think they wanted to forget the hit the depression then then they they have the war. They went from one to another when they all came home. They forgot what the best one other thing too is that people that would have attended games with their like brothers fathers. Whatever like this maybe. Some of these people didn't come back from war. Maybe these people that are are tinged with some of these great memories that they had are now like sacred like you know like. I don't even want to talk about this because my brother never came home. I never got a chance to you know. I went to the championship game with him. And i don't want to talk about all. These great depression stories were tinged in sadness is so. That's what i mean. There's so many different reasons. And and that's what i mean like you know but but it but it it may say now is the time to bring it in. When i talked to one person went to the one thousand nine hundred thirty five game. I told you oughta miami yep stockbrokers father he went to the game in nineteen thirty five which is tigers A d a wind alive and he and his favorite player was was early cadel and didn't have the money to buy a shirt so he added old sweatshirt and this until she put it number one on and took the school now in thirty five those days. They didn't have the sports radio and went on a tape. When i played earn cadel voice. He cried yeah. He wore that shirt all the time. Because i gave him what city of champions and he was so proud of that. What's so what's so. Cool is is that he's actually fashioning his own jersey with cadel's number one you know nowadays. It's just it's it's you know. Go the store they buy a you know whatever matt stafford jersey whatever it is and you know it's just something you just do but he's actually made his own forty four. That was even in fast. Nobody it wasn't exist so he his mother made him shirt. What's the school. Yeah with ernie cadel catala all those years that he played he never heard his voice because when he heard it he went walters. If you think a little bit deeper into that story. You're talking about then tom. You know what. I mean like is the idea that is that you know that there's at the idea of like what came first the chicken or the egg. What i mean what came first. Did team start issuing jerseys with the team numbers to sell or did fans just emerges start putting. They're making their own jerseys. Because they wanted to be their favorite player and people saw it. And that's a good idea. Yeah so i think that opens up a whole nother which is like babies. Potentially i mean like say what came first. We're fans making their own jerseys team song. Oh we're going to start selling those. I mean that's what i'm saying like. He just made his own mean. You can't imagine that at that time that they're selling jerseys like was should it was Just didn't have the sports memorabilia that they have today with all of those shirts. Yeah you know at one of the big gifts that the lions go after the championship was that that they got parkas like team parkas as a reward for their championship. Like like nowadays you get these multimillion dollar bonuses and these guys are back then. I read the article where i think it was pressing on. What like one of those guys were talking about that. It was like man we were so happy. We got these like y'all detroit lions parka. To after the game i was like. That's that's you know so. I can't imagine that they're issuing jerseys for kids at that ono hickey on the food on the table. That's awesome saying when a when a player when when they're ghetto park up for winning a championship series with those look like feeling it was pretty. It was pretty rugged basic blue with the lions but i mean my god dude if you had one thousand nine hundred thirty five championship. Lions parker chara. I will give you did hear about this whole. Do you know who did hear about the city of champions actually katherine mitchell popkin. She said i heard it from charles. Abe casserole you doing my sister. I love it. I would hope she had heard about it. From is from a lot of people are like eighty thousand eighty thousand people talk to but definitely my sister. I told my sister at some point to counter in the eighty thousand so so but talking about the the the parkers and your conversation with the players that were there that evening You were able to touch on on on several topics and one was About the equipment and but let's get back to the tape. Let's go let's go to the tape. Yeah i think elmer. What's the next piece he wanted to read. Well it's actually two weeks ago. And i wanted to listen to this clip so much. Yeah i remember it to two weeks after we played the last clubs because it was like the next clip in this in the game. And it's just. I just from elmer from albert because it refreshed remember. We're talking about on the actually previous couple of Discussions on their talked about the equipment. But i liked what Elmer fair warded. Said so. And i think we got a picture. We got it up for anybody watching the do we have. What are we going to send you a picture Bear word to put up there. Okay if you haven't available it's not. I don't think it's essential. But it was one of the last pictures that i gave you. Okay i'm happy to be back this way and go round again. I want to add some more question helmets. I think the difference between now and women's thirty five is to both went both ways both defense and offense as senate and we use a similar mint from the senate position. If you had to put the loop. Bathrooms are line book The passing center was a good deal different than it is today. Replaced me face masks leather helmet. And i think it would be quite a bit quite a bit different. I remember one thing that i said if no was ahead of us in beating from the force because condition condition condition reading meant and then the swim to alan moore. Good shape and i think primarily That is at twenty five minutes. Our team and many times had four or five injuries. But that meant that we had to play was seventeen or eighteen players. I think that's the big difference. Today is hard. I think and Tackled his hard and crews haven't changed a great deal. That was interesting because we we pointed out that In the one thousand nine hundred eighty four game Championship game There are some rules that came into play that the thirty two or the tuesday. And that's what led you a bunch of new rule change. Yeah there was a lot of rules that came in came into play indoor. Yeah yeah that was. That was interesting but so but from then from thirty two and thirty five to fifty years later a lot of the rules at stayed very similar. Well those were the game. I mean we're just going back to the thirty two games you know. Some of the biggest rules. I mean that. I mean that almost defined modern football to this day. The we're talking about the thirty two game on there is the there is the you know just a rate the rate at right off the bat you're talking about when the main challenge the main touch on got scored in the game was brooklyn gercy crash in the line and jumping up throwing a pass to read grains for for the for the touchdown. In back of that at that point you had throw all passes had to be thrown from five yards. Behind the line of scrimmage and bronco. That was totally. Blew that rule and it so it after that their bill well from now on as long as behind the line of scrimmage. That's all that matters. That's i mean that was a major thing. Anybody pleasure behind line the game. Yeah and then the other thing too which is also to be not. It's not to be is diminished. Is the hash marks on the hash marks a field nowadays when a game star wh play. This concludes the balls. Move to the nearest hashmark or the center of the field. Where no matter where if a guy he gets to the right hashmark field back in the before that nine thirty two championship game. If a guy got tackled out of bounce the ball started like one yard from out about this so they'd have to run a play just to get to. The middle of the play is so during that game because there was the walls of the ceo. Couldn't they couldn't start. The you know with the play that close to the sideline so they actually created the hash mark just for for that indoor game and it continued and so and that's why they liked it so much because the teams didn't have to burn a play that they're that small changes a major is a big deal with change a the post. You know in the fifties all saw crazy legs. I was running the post. Battered ho scotty. Oh she he ran every time you're watching us into that post on every pre he'd never knew what hit ringing your bell Out the post but there was no ball but the interesting like elmer sane though is Is that one of the things. I love what he says that we ran justice. Are we tackle just as hard. We played justice hard. And so a lotta times. People look at you know they. They look at the players from back in the day. And they say well you know. It's a different caliber of athletes. And all this nowadays. When you're like are you. Are you sure because I mean this is a guy that's seen them seen at both and he's and he just he was like yeah. We tackled just as hard as them. Yeah so that's the only way. I liked that that little clip from barrymore because he really goes through like the equipment's different like but you know he talks about the game. Is you know we. We hit just as hard as they. Did you know same field. Yeah i mean it's the same football field. There was a there. Was an article around thanksgiving that that came out that caught my eye about the the some of the greatest players in football and it was It was the greatest players. Try to find the Toughest nfl players. This is coming out at tiebreakers Tough guys the toughest players in in. Nfl history and I because i'm not a big sports guy. I've told you guys that before. I like him. I love your soaking it up like want some some of these names. I recognize most of these roasts most of these names. But there's for your first sports education. Be the city of champions story. Tom how much would you have to be your day. She'll for your sports education. Champion story is the foundational sports. You start with the seniors learn. Everything worked played cupboard. Say like your your first or you ever know the city of jaffna story and then you build from there. That's the greatest smart like i. I'm almost envious of so. I learn sports history out of these top thirty players number coming in at number five Bracco nagorski Oil thirty four. When i interviewed those lines. They said he was like a red. Rue st with a bulldozer behind it. They said he was just. They feared him. He had the ball. When you see we've actually shown a couple of videos bronco nagorski and you can see in these videos on check back. In old episodes we had our check. Know just look at these bronco. Gerski videos of the biggest one is look at the nineteen thirty four championship. Game with the new york giants It really shows gerski in action in this guy. Built like a redwood tree. I mean this guy was literally on on. I mean he was just. He was twice the size of any other guy i always. I always calm the shaquille. O'neal of the nineteen thirties football because you know shack in his heyday was just so big. You could not stop him shocking to dunk the ball he was gonna dunk in your face. If you if you if you try to block. Shacks shot. He would break your arm when ducted i mean he was. I mean he broke. The ram shack was unstoppable in his heyday in. That's how bronco was like. There's some of these players that just are so that you have that you just i mean you just have to tip your cap de. They had to stop the lines at a stockbroker to win a championship. I asked him who was the toughest player they played against. It was always bronco two gerski every time he got the ball. You know it'd be. My was the articles that i've read about it. They said that you never you. Never like if you're ever whenever you play the bears if you're ever gonna try to tackle bronco gerski. You always had have. You always had us to is at least you'd never wanted to try to try to try to tackle bronco by yourself. You're breaking his collarbone. You're breaking news breaking something some sand like you know it. S what anybody that's that follow like the nba. You know when bronco shack was so unstoppable in his heyday with you. Know with especially with the lakers. And all this recognized when the pistons ended up beating Shack in two thousand four championship. It was like the pistons like built their team around the eventuality that they would have to face shack in the two thousand four finals in figure out some way to just slow him down. I mean like that team like you know there was one moment in the during the two thousand four season where where where they actually you know. Spend loss blocks. Jack shot and that was like at that moment. Anybody that was really following the pistons like they can beat the lakers they can. They can slow him down. They have a chance. And that's and that's what. I like to equate that with the you. Know the lions at this time because th- because the thirty year after year after year it was always the bears find stopping them in their tracks. The bears the bears. The bears were always have. They beat him in the first thanksgiving game. They beat them all the way back to nineteen thirty two when there were horses spartans through and then all of a sudden and then thirty five they finally beat the bears. They beat him on thanks. They hide him. That the game before thanksgiving and then they beat them on thanksgiving so they are finally able to overcome brooklyn gerski. Sme like that story of the The sort of symmetry with that. I like to equate it with the two thousand four pistons where they were able to finally figure a way to at least neutralize shack long enough for them to use their own website to win. Because that's how it was is that they were able to finally figure out a way to slow. You know just just in one of the reasons they they got. Chuck bernard for the nineteen thirty four championship. Ninety three eighty four season. They they got chuck bernard and michigan. Was that in is Chuck bernard had shown that he was able to stop bronco by himself in because the thirty four to three guys after exactly thirty four thirty four in the because of the way it used to occur was in after team won a championship. Nfl championship the college. All stars okay. So the one thousand nine hundred. Four college is the one thousand thirty four championship. Bears played the one thousand nine hundred eighty four college all stars at chicago. Chicago team like chicago seem so anyways In chuck bernard was on it was in. That game was like the one of the greatest college players of all time. Chuck bernard looked chuck. Chuck bernard my god. Man anybody's listening to podcast. Like start listening to us right now. No no don't do that. show up. chuck bernard right. I got a whole section on. But look him up. And it's like. He's one of the most decorated collegiate athletes of all time. But one of the things they don't really talk about in the online stuff is that is that chuck bernard in this college. All star game against the bears like took down brooklyn a gerski by itself so the lions are looking at this. I mean he's already decorated player but the lions made every effort to bring in check. When i was like if they if he can bring down broccoli myself. This is a stud we need. There's no but also also recognize too. I wanna make sure played this other to. Is that clare randolph. On the nineteen thirty four lions and who had also gone back with the spartans clare. Randolph was also known for his ability to stop bronco. Gerski himself all right so so he wasn't like there was nobody that could there was a couple of guys and i'm pretty certain that their father lumpkin. I don't didn't see it written down anywhere. This father lumpkin was finally won't get as scatology. Were to tough as nails man to that. I have no doubt that they could take down but we also had a guy against them stopping. We also had a guy named little chris. And that's an expert in you. Were able to talk to. Why was he called. Lose little chris why was he called christmases christian. Sooner was little. I was gonna wave as a question with thomas got. That's called them through. Chris so this a big christmas big. Chris is george chris who they dictate tarzan okay. So he's other nicknames is also tarzan also ties you into why all the big chris. Let's see what christians. Let's little chris by the way is the team's best partner wanted credit. Here's a blocking back. Ponder wasn't just some little miniature player he was a blocking back he will by phone by litter. Yeah he was the best partner better than even better than Than than anybody. He was their best guy. So yeah all right. You're slow. Chris little chris matthews audio on this garage. It's there i was ready for. I can go to harass. I some shit when you got here. I'd love you a little bit. Fcc support if i were going to talk about the differences in the game today did in the days we played Money was not a very important thing. We We played because we wanted to play with play for the fun of the game. It was important man to get a paycheck but by no means in the magnitude that they are today. I well remember Jack johnson at teammate. From utah with me We had negotiated our original contract tonight. Neither know for what reason i was back and i had a hundred and thirty five dollars. A game and decorative one hundred twenty five. We went into renegotiate our next year contract with owner richard. We sat down and is asking is lucky office in the fisher bell and he said krypton cindy you think you're worth more than this team than ten. I said no sir he said by god neither. Do i get a ten dollar raise. These days the same go teams at that time. Were so motive together because we were less. We didn't have fifty players. you know we. We were twenty two or twenty. Three is all and we were very close together. I think this punch here at this meeting realizes so well. The relationship that existed career to go. I thank everybody for everything. That's gone on here. I really appreciate it thank you. Let's see mahomes gut Four hundred ninety million dollars in this same player he got a ten dollar res. But here's the thing. I do want it the same football. But there's but there's two things i wanna point out about. This is that a lot of times that the players now as they get all this money a lot of times people will castigate them and say all they care about the money. But i'm t but i have. I have this feeling that Like these players that play this game like college football and all this different stuff. There's a lot of players that don't play this game for the money. So i don't necessarily think that that is like distinguishable just from the nineteen ninety-three because they got paid less that they played for. They didn't play for the money whereas nowadays everybody does play for the money because they get because they get paid so much. I think that these guys like at some point like money doesn't even really. I mean it's ceases to. I mean once you have so much of it. Does it really matter anymore. And they still keep playing like a guy like tom brady or whatever like still keeps on playing guys i mean if he all he cares money like you get your money. I mean how many hundred million dollar contracts you need before. You're like i got enough money to last me forever. You don't be like no. I want one more. I want the money you know what i mean like the guy the guys like. I'm gonna play something like forty because you could see clearly understands our falls joyce playing the game has close. Like you can see that you know these guys like you know money. They give just because they get paid more money today. I don't necessarily think that. I mean it's just actually was a guy i talked to today. That said that That said that like people that you know like you know that people to develop successful businesses random conversation. I with a guy in store today. He was saying like you know people that developed successful business a lot of time in most cases. It's because they really enjoy what they do. you know. it's not just because they're in it for the money because you know the hard times of a business you're sticking it out because you believe in what you're doing you're passionate about your thing and so estimate the same thing with think a lot of ten sports. I think that modern day athletes times get on get kind of get too many throw stones thrown at them because they're like oh because they get paid so much like all they care about money it takes a hell of a lot to make to not only just to get to the profess to pro sports to the major leagues in baseball football. Whatever but it takes a lot to stay there too in a stay at the top of your profession. So i'm always been somebody that's like you know it's like i i don't i understand that they get more money but it takes you have to be you have to really love what you do to stick it out. You know to the point where these guys make money. So i never. I never begrudge these guys for how much money they paid. You know it's I don't think he is either the money exactly. It's it's they earned. There's money in the thirties and they earn their money. Now i think i really do i think that they i mean they're massive contracts but they're also put up on these huge pedestals where everybody is like. I mean like you can't even. They can't even do anything they can't. You can't even a little dogfight won't come on. Let's the problems are we gonna do. They can't do. They step the some of those are months. They do anything bad. Like everybody in the world hears about the very next second you know so like well. No no no no. That's a different example. No but i'm saying anything that they do anything even real like anything like there's no privacy lives. Everything is for the full public. So they're kind of birds in a camp punchy girlfriend in an elevator talking about somebody walking out back and stepping in everybody's like off the really horrific ones that got up on tv. But i'm saying like anything they're like. Oh did you hear what this guy's stupid thing like anything they do. They're under a microscope. It's like who's dating meeting you know. Oh his wife is dressing in exact. His supermodel wife has a lot of football players. Douglas joe schmidt. All of these guys from the thirties and every one of them will tell you the decide when they step on net football field. They don't if it would be a wrist. The ankle a neck sir. It's it's it's they claim and everyone said the same thing is like rolling the dice. Yeah but the second. This is kind of brings up the second. There's there's two things about what i said that i love and the second thing is i think is fascinating. It was just a really brief hot. Sorta blip about what he said and so he said. I have my notes here. Less players meant a closer team bond. Because you know he said even quarter ari says you know. There's twenty five players on a team in that any given time there before or five injuries. So we'd be like he says so we generally we'd have like seventeen guys like playing right just whereas a modern day. Nfl roster like. I don't have the exam. Fifty is a fifty five fifty five guys so imagine so. Just just picture the difference in your minds right so you got one team. The modern day team got fifty five players right. And then you've got you know there's always injuries and as more and more guys always coming in at least five or you know maybe five guys or new every single week. Then you've got. How many trainers. How many coaches you know defensive back. You'll left defensive back coach right side. Defensive beco- you like defensive coordinator defensive assistant coordinator like how many. How many expand like everyone of these. Nfl teams are like a hundred guys and these teams. And so you know one guy that comes into this team. Like how is he would. He may never even meet. He married and have a conversation with a guy on the on. The other side seemed like massive. Imagine it. I mean really. You couldn't say like fifty player fifty five players a team plus five or six for injuries. Cyclamen hus- i go say what i don't know. Fifteen twenty coaches so minimum. You've got sixty seventy people in an organization that travels around stuff. I mean sixties seems like a lot of people. Don't really get to know especially in word like it'd be trades and all these things that happen you know season. And that's what. I loved about what he said where which is less players less players. Many took a closer team bond. We got twenty five guys in seventeen or plane on a given time. You really get to know the person that you're playing with. You know you really get to know especially we jamie even before you join around. Here's tom we spent a great deal of time talking about the About the About how these players like really gelled with potsy clark. You know this is so it's so anyways that's from like when you have a lower number smarter number of guys in their playing a year after year after year with the goal of winning this championship in that they lose a couple of guys in replaced with a couple more guys than they think are gonna help them get there. You know you have like a core group of guys. And i think that is what is that's that to me is my favorite thing about sports. Is we have this core group of guys. And they're in this like they're trading out pieces to you know to figure out how this core group with their new supporting cast is gonna make this happen. That's like my favorite sports story. And that's what this team was learnt. Absolutely yeah and they clark like these guys yeah he. How many times did he played deepens. They were short that they were starters. Yeah the players down and he was going to go does clark and thirty four when they they said dutch clark at the end of nineteen thirty. Four on offense and defense in the last few games year like that he should. He should have been in a hospital bed like he was so mangled from all the time he played it like but he was still running out the posse had to run them author against the packers. He's getting he's there. That's why the thirty five he had this freshman versus varsity preseason game to try to identify new talent because he because his his starters. His core group were so mangled going at the end of nineteen thirty. Four that's why they faded they. They had seven. They went stay at seven games in a row where they were unschooled. Upon ten straight wins ten straight wins then. They folded at the they lost. Like i think they'll also ask exactly. They were torn up. That's why thirty five potsy head to head to find enough new blood to augment his supporting cast and they got to a slow start because he had to use these new guys to get him to the end of the year. Where the where the core group we can finally unleash them. And that's what he did and they took all the way to go and they're doing it all for a hundred and thirty five bucks really quick teaching job. Or so i got. I got a simple A calculator and it says like one hundred and thirty five bucks. Nineteen thirty five today is about you. Twenty five twenty six hundred bucks knock. You know if it's a thirteen game season that's like a thirty thousand dollar salary. yeah so most of them had like a teaching job or car sales. We talked about before l. Even talked about like when he signed a contract. One of the benefits of and with whatever particular team was that they would set up off season overseas kushner. What work for general motors dealers. Polio california yeah a lot of the redwings i same thing a lot of the redwings guys. Same thing was jim. Norris is set these guys up with all these off season. Great jobs like it was like normally smith was afraid was a limo driver. He was like a driver for. I forgot which i talked. I can't we get the ramming station. Because i met you. I know norma smith norma smith. The daughter of enormous smith is the goalie is daughter is norma smith. France with you got a ton of my information was normally smith at the greatest newspaper news. Normally smith that goalie of the red wings kept every single newspaper for his entire career every single newspaper clipping about the red wings his. She has like this encyclopedia. She led me matter and she's got this. She's like come on over. Say like she was telling me that her father was like you know in the offseason. His job was he was like for forgot. Which i've gotta look in the book to remind me but but he he had a driver as he was a driver for. You know some big executive. For one of the auto. Oh that's how he was able to you know. Detroit says these guys all these different athletes. They get jobs a lot of cases better jobs than they would if they were just part of the part of the random group of people looking for a random job get executive jobs car dealership jobs good spot with the oldest player in the national football league cy soldiers who played with the lions and i went to school with his daughter and he told me that he played two years with the lions and then in the summer and the offseason he would sell cars and he thought that selling cars was a lot better. The being slammed on that football and ended up selling cars probably. That's probably why he's one hundred years old today but at the same time it's like when you're playing a game like george richards who owns the lions rights one of a syndicate of twenty different altars. And these are the biggest movers and shakers in detroit. And you're planning the team and they're promising you if you come to detroit and play with the teen that you're going to be able to get we're going to get you a job in the off season like oh really what job i going to get in there. Like the ownership of this team is twenty of the biggest movers and shakers in this city. Right so these are going to be the people that are going to get a. We're going to find a job for one of their twenty companies right. So do you want to take your chances with common. A plan for the lions in detroit or do you want to just line up with the other. Fifty people at the unemployment office that are looking for a job. You know picking apples or something. You know the the attraction of something like that was huge for these people at that time. Which are they're looking for heels income and they're looking at. This is a different time. I the championship game and thirty five. Each player at the winner of the giants were the loser. The winner alliance got nine hundred twenty six dollars each and park and a trip to hawaii because they played a series of exhibition game. Oh yeah no. I got a picture of the book that shows on. just overpaid. yeah. Yeah people back in the thirties though that saw them getting all these bonuses and stuff like dole's rich athletes so they don't have any idea we re common folk after go through the every generation. They always look back and go. You know like they're like they're always looking back at all. They didn't get paid anything but at the same thing like you know we look at all. They're overpaid and all this. What do you think they said the same thing. Back in the thirties of other guys got there. Is the lions go to hawaii. Got new parkas better. Thirty four sober. Yeah there's probably saying the same thing the fans and then going those ridge at least no idea how common folk have to live like you get the money they got the trip to hawaii and they got the parkas. Totally rich does rich jersey. So kill wicky was talking about playing both sides of the ball because you were just talking about these guys. Just be an ironman and for that pay. They were versatile they had they had to play both sides because sometimes they were down down players Anything about cookie the to lead the was the last. This last week was the Two weeks ago or last for the last episode We talked to bow on. We talked ed kalicki. The guy from michigan state msu first michigan state spartan to play for the lions of course the first u. of m. player to play the lyles chuck bernard verse. Msu as kalicki and we talked about on the ui wants a year details that go back to their last episode sp. We're not trying to you. Know we got a direct them. Back to our old shows the click again all right. We love it to death. But here's He's talking about playing on a playable sites your your reflections back my reflections on the biggest difference. Naturally the money however I read a lot of remarks about The difference in the size well that was the difference in the game Going to waste. And i would just like to see some of these people that are playing today. run three passes and then plan and run down under a point and then get up and get ready for that sweep running directive how much condition they and how much they regard the size as the governing factor about how good you can do on the field. Also our stop and nobody. I don't think that teaches blocking or or tackling with michigan. With the fact that if you're underneath you and i have a lot better position in the auto bugs football field at least that he would watch the games the current games today and he was watched the defensive commentators and say oh the defense has been on there for five minutes. Oh austin and her going over to the silent. He said what a joe was on time. I heard that he said i just. I was what joe this this ray here. This is one of my favorite This is one of my favorite Things that in the entire interview that you had to wrap it up with this one today. One of my favorite components. I actually wish we had more time. Yes are next episode with it. Because i because this is one of my favorite comment my favorite quotes of the entire thing and the reason is is because modern day fans whatever we think. We look at the nineteen thirties. A lot of times players. Look at him and they the fans looking they look at how primitive they were. They wore the leather helmets. They were they. Were they look kind of smaller. You know like. I could probably wreck that guy if i was back then right there. There's such like there's such a modern day era against versus when you look at the players in the past like man. Those are back in the weaker smaller. Whatever days whatever like this in this this this the reason why. And that's why. I love this quote ray here because what he says is he saying. Everybody talks about what how we would do if we played against modern day athletes. But how would they do if they played our game. They played both ways. Every single down. You if you're a quarterback you had to be able to kick field goals you had to be able to pont. You had to be able to pass. Run the ball. You need to be able to everything. Play defense be safety. Be everything and you to play every single down for an entire game stretch sixty minutes every single game potsy clark that we were so you had the one call red going you know. They played me fifty seven minutes fifty eight minutes and my first two games and i wanted to win. Potsy say get a hat. If i played for sixty minutes so i played. I begged for the last two minutes of the third game. Yeah sixteen so. That's what i'm saying so so this right here. He's saying like everybody says like you know in the modern day like we might not be able to face off against the three hundred and thirty pound defensive tackle but if you took that sand. Three hundred thirty pound defensive tackle and brought them back to the nineteen thirties. How would he do. They're shooting conditioning and be able to play and he'd be second wind after five play. Exactly i like the very first couple of plays out the game. Sure the guy would recognize wrecking ball. But after that he's gotta go sixty minutes. You hit right after five years old mary. They've been on the field for a long sixty minutes. It was a totally different. Like it was a totally different game back then. And that's where that's ellery says. You know like when you have to do all these things for an entire sixty minutes games. He's like he's like then is when you're gonna find out is how. How much size is a governing factor of the ability and talent of a player. And that's why i love that qualif- anybody takes anything from this this interview. I think that is one of the two signature moments of this of this clip of this interview with one hundred down very fortunate. So it's You enjoyed sitting down with them. Guys background there were all at the reunion. It was roughly three o'clock in the morning and They were having some fun and people. The music was still going and they were just flat out having fun. Yeah it goes back to the previous more. They're saying like how the team was. You know closer together because there was less players and we've talked and this has been a common theme and every we talked about is is how these guys like. They knew each other. They cared about each other fifty years later. They're still want to have a championship celebration together. And at the champion of celebration. They're having they're having a party man. They're drinking laughing remember old times because they got the because the teams were smaller. They like. That's something like that is one of the modern day things. I think one of the things that's lost from some of the modern day gains is your the transients of the players in not in every once in a while you see a core group of guys as built. That's not completely lost. But i think that needs to be emphasized. More is the core group of guys who comes up together. And that's the team wins together. Well this basically they had another all their own place know because would twenty some players if you're done seventeen all of a sudden i'm an in. I play lift tax right out of play right. Guard makes a big difference so this core group guys is going to be back again next week to talk more about this because we have a couple more clips to listen to Tom we want more stories from you. And my favorite part of this is watching tom. Listen to these interviews and kind of relive actually lights up one of these. It's awesome so we thank everybody for joining us. like subscribe. leave a comment. We really appreciate that had mentioned had had an interesting comment. And we're gonna get to it just kind. Tease you with it We were talking about glen personnel. Mike personnel left a comment on youtube video. So thanks mike for for listening and we'll get to that comment next. I'm a first cousin was removed. Yeah we're gonna we're gonna dive so we'll we'll talk about mike personnel to is that like we're talking about like sports talk radio show. We're talking about like detroit. Sports history all these other sports like you know modern day. Lions like you know these other guys guys. These guys got fired wherever we're back in the day talk about you know like we're like man. Can you believe press now like you know like these guys. We're talking about stuff to happen is almost like this is the show. That should have been like when the thirties were happening. 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Detroit City of Champions Episode 13: Potsy The forgotten genius of George Clark Part 3
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT Network visit www dot podcast detroit dot com for more information. Nineteen thousand five the Lions Win the NFL Championship the Detroit Tigers take a world series the redwings bring home mode standards. Joe. Lewis. Begins his rise to world domination. This transforms the motor city into Detroit sitting chanted. DETROIT, city of champions the podcast we are diving deep into the nineteen, thirty, five season and all the things around it the lions. Tigers. Red Wings thirty other championships. A trilogy of books written by an Incredible Guy Oh. That's awful. Nice to say Charles Ableson Charles I'm Jamie Flanagan and we're just GONNA have to put Charles I gotTa tell. You. Matt. Fox's over there. Running the board. I'm pushing buttons and the highlight of my week used to be. Tuesdays and and having some Bourbon with with Matt on our show. The Man Cave Happy Hour I've been replaced now I have to hire. Now I have to highlights of my week. Because Matt still here. He's like a banks. But, yeah no so Really look forward to this me too I. Love Your a great you. You've collected a an amazing collection of stories to be super redundant and. I just. I'm enjoying enjoying unfolded because I know nothing about nothing about nothing about sports and because once or twice you kind of like skull to me a little bit. You're like Oh did that sound harsh I'm like, no 'cause I you know what? I'm saying dumb stuff because I don't know what I'm talking about. So I. I do I felt that was sometimes I get tense. Can definitely people that know me anyway that's watches show that knows me yeah like sometimes I'll go I'll be something that. Triggered No. There's no. Heaven or hell get a hold for making that point stepped on that crack there. But Yeah. So we're going to keep our eye on the on the chat rooms. So if anybody is joining us live on facebook 'cause we throw this up on facebook feel free to comment make a comment. The show will say, we say, Hi and. Afterwards we try to, we try to go back and watch that people commas. As they go up on Youtube and up on the social media's. So we appreciate you listening taken the time giving us a listen if you're listening at somewhere. Watching it on Youtube. To. Favorite. Hit the subscribe button comments likes everything you like the show it really helps to comment and share and Send it send the link to friends or whatever in. Every everything like helps because. We're trying to bring back this this forgotten story that. You. Know the whole thing you know the overall show is about the about the story itself but there's as we've shown, we're on episode thirteen right now. Right and it's like we haven't even dented it. Even. Put a dent in this thing, and it's like and I've actually been trying to summarize each of these components and trying to. Kind of rush through a little bit of it. Twenty or thirty episodes on just the Tigers. And we will we can go back we will we will. We're. Not. GonNa run out of stock. That's insane. It's almost I mean it literally as analysts I, mean, there's You can just see from a lot of these stories that I mean it just it's such a there's it goes so deep with the different people. Each of these people have stories each of the teams as stories. And there's just so much to really dive into in I mean as we're talking about policy. Clarke. Today. This is episode three of Possi, Clark, the coach, the line. To Detroit and But. We're not. We're not even going to be finished with potsy this week, we're going to be doing one more episode at least on him. Because he's such an important figure in saw. But yes, I just I'm just really excited because. I've been the way I've been presenting the story for the longest time has been. Just like when I do art shows or I'll do I've done a lot of law library talks or we do a presentation every year at the Detroit, a stork museum. On April Eighteenth Champions Day, and so I do a lot of stuff like that and a lot of times. It's like you know maybe a half hour maybe an hour sometimes I talk, but it's usually just As, you see so much information always gotta be condensed into whether it's a two minute pitch to sell a book or twenty minute thing for quicks slot for some kind of A. Series of you know sports talks or whatever but it's always got to be something. I've got a condense everything small amount of time in. So that's why I love this show because it really is a chance to explore all kinds of different stuff in You know there's there's so much to explore, and that's what we wanted to do. But because you said, we kind of rushed through the Tigers a little bit and I I look forward to revisiting. So we will. Just kind of rolling around me on a on a holiday or an anniversary A landmark date in the in the. On the calendar for the Tigers back and revisit we have. In, we want to go back and revisit the players. We're going to do much deeper dive in each of the players at some point. So. Yeah and then he just let you know today is actually the hundredth anniversary of the founding of the NFL. Today Oh today's in twenty There's a more important. Highly appropriate topics we're talking one, hundred, one, hundred, one years two, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty so. I I saw some of the NFL dot. com today repot up saying it was the one hundredth anniversary and it was because I knew what needs nine hundred twenty s when the NFL was founded. Okay. Yeah. So there today actually as of our recording day here in September. Seventeenth. Constitution Day halfway to Saint. Patrick's. There you go? That's your calendar. Far, away. You are from Saint Pat's I was to tell you. It's an important day for me. Yeah. Say Patrick's. Patrick's year. Stop I. DON'T I don't go out on Saint Patrick's everything for you as measured around. Patrick's Day plus thirty five. Minus Eighty two like. All based on your calendar. Completely it is. Very. It's very green. Stuart Stuart says Hades glad you're the big man chances. Big. Name Dugan Big Stew, I worked on mackinac island. Great friends. I was actually on your website W Detroit city champions, Dot Com. There's a lot of information out there You know the previous podcasts this shows that you guys have had to go back to the beginning of you know this, the venture that you guys are on no I'm actually starting what I've been sitting here for every single one of them but I find myself going back to episode one and relearning because just so much information that you guys are. It really is there's so much and. We have you know the I think the actually the first few episodes we did go a little bit of warp speed through some of the stuff, but we will come back for just feel to. Take, our time and go through it. And there's there's so many different branches off that. We can take to talk about these other teams, the Chicago bears. Yeah, all this different stuff like we're gonNA. Mention this guy named cliff battles for the Boston Red Sox. His. Now as though you with the Washington redskins back, it was a Boston and he's got his name's GonNa come up. But there's guys like cliff battles that nobody's ever heard of listen was named cliff battles. Like. The Great. He's like a tremendous running backup power speed runner like. His name is battle like nobody's ever heard of them said, there's so many different off the topics that we can do off. But that's why I like about the screenplay for the movie too is that you know I wrote the screenplay for the movie is like a Netflix's nine part mini series and there's so many like like I wrote it. So to introduce all these different or not all but a ton of different. Characters that the lions and the Tigers everybody had to face for towards the idea of potentially imagine an entire series were like the first. The first season is the city, a champion story, and then you meet all these different carriers Babe Ruth Lou gehrig. Bronco Gerski, all these different degree bay packers of this time and then you start doing offshoot episodes maybe a one off episode maybe a three part episode whatever it is and and you focus on all these just various topics from sports history I. Just think it would be like the coolest show like you know like a period piece set in that time. Those are some of the most some of the biggest sports movies ever are the ones that like conjure nostalgia. Look back like this was we're going to get to the center Cinderella Story Yeah. The Cinderella is another thing. Nineteen thousand five hundred million dollar Hollywood yes. Just one thing like imagine entire series and that's what. I'm saying like there's so much different stuff. So we're here we were. We were with the spartans in Portsmouth. And they're they're taking names and kicking some but yeah. thirty, three, thirty. So thirty one potsy takes over the spas and they and they brings in nineteen new guy. Yeah, and so we completely cuts with thirty guys also roster through the big. I've never heard a ten then reduce reduce the roster. Twenty six, twenty seven, and then and then brought in nineteen new players, and then it was talking about nine guys ended up going with the team in one, thousand, nine, thirty, four when they became the lions and then it was another i. think it was five. Backup I think it was five that that was with them in one, thousand, nine, hundred, five when they won the championship. So it was a major overhaul. In nineteen, thirty, one when he first takes over his first head coaching job professional any completely guts this team completely revamps it and then hits on all these stars that became like I mean literally like the central components of these teams I mean for the next you know however many years. So the Tigers win the pennant in nineteen thirty four. Yeah. But that's a little bit the head of where we're we're we're we're starting out with this story. Okay. All right. So I didn't know if that was. All right. So that's still for that. Where we come in tonight. So nineteen thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, one potsy takes over the spartans and immediately the team becomes awesome. Yeah, it's. thirty two we talked about last week show they were in the nineteen th the first. NFL. Championship game. A hockey. Arena. PORTSMITH SPURT SMART. Data. Yes. So Important in the Portsmouth was like you know early NFL history was a lot of smaller. You know is really a lot of Ohio mid Western type you know million in all these different towns in. Ohio. Also, like you know your small towns like Green Bay, it wasn't like nowadays. It's like all big cities New York and Boston all this but but back then like. It was like a lot of smaller towns in Green Bay is a residual of that the last city that was from that era of like smaller towns that but they were just so successful they really built up a file like a cult following their. Butts. And it's crazy because if you actually look at the populations of NFL cities like you'd look at the list, it's like seven million we all like. Their population I don't even know what it is in Green Bay it's like I. Think it's like eight thousand and okay like really small. But every other lists like seven, million, six, million, three, five. Six thousand and then the but then you look at their the crazy thing is their attendance per game. It's like been sold out for any game all eight, thousand, eight, hundred, thousand, those people at the stadium but. Around Game. Every. Every year for like I, think since the sixties in the Season tickets are impossible anyways. So yeah, nineteen thirty, nine, hundred, thirty, one positive over the SPARTANS. And they'd take they become awesome in the nineteen, thirty two, the SPARTANS. Go to the NFL championship that First Nfl Championship game which leads to massive changes in the NFL because the NFL's. Who have so that they can have a championship game every money money money. Exactly. So it had like a world series of football so to speak. The NFL champion numerous new rules come into play as a result of that racketed gov. you can just look back at the last episode GonNa see all the different rule changes again of it, but it was a significant thing to happen and then in nineteen thirty three. the spartans were good but the but the problem was is that their best player Dutch Clark and again Dutch, Clark was the elite of the elite Nfl I mean he was one of the main guys posse discovered in nineteen thirty one. Potsy. Sorry. Dutch Clark was like I mean, he wasn't a PA-. Whereas Bronco Gerski was like sort of like Shaquille O'Neal of the football that time like he was just in like unstoppable power like they nobody could not tackling one on one. Just he was just overwhelmingly powerful type of player, but Dutch was like incredibly fast shifty smart. He was he was like the they acquitted him like Napoleon on the field like absolute. Just a brilliant field general just increase just incredibly smart on the field like. He was Dutch was elite in like I mean he wasn't powerful at all. But again, in every other way, he was an elite player and so So anyway. So that's what soul. The core player on the spartans and with the you know with numerous other great players of course but. But what happened was is that at the end of nineteen, thirty, two Dutch got this job to go be a coach yeah, Colorado College and then. When he was when they went to the NFL championship game, which again was like an impromptu game, then the college wouldn't release him from his contract and so he couldn't make it back to the spartans got beat and then the following year nineteen thirty-three, he did not come back for the season. With the SPARTANS. So without Dutch, the teams basically dropped, they still finished in second place, which was very, very competitive. In fact, there Glenn Press. Now, who was you call them really their second best player. Glenn Press now was there became their number one guy and led the League in scoring was like I'm just you know he you know he did what he could been dispersed finished in second place but so anyways. So Ninety, but nineteen thirty three is the final is really the death knell of the Portsmouth spartans because the city it's again one of these smaller towns and the Great Depression had absolutely ravaged Tom the city. So badly that again, they were just there basically exchanging shares of stock for two two players, not even exchanging giving shares of stock in lieu of payment to these players in shares of stock are might be nice for the future but but you know you can't eat shares of. Stock To Pay Your bills you can try try put them in your shoes. where? Share stock for yeah. For my pillow and I really six two. So. anyways. So this soul. There's a there's I have a quote in the book that talks about this and I wrote this whole scene in the movie the scene at this scene in the movie really is the introduction to the lions in the in the in the in the screen player in this movie is this is that? The team was about to completely fall apart like they were like we're not making any money potentially GonNa get mangled on the field you know what we're not getting paid for potentially getting mangled. A lot of these guys are great. They could go to other teams potentially. So that's in. So potsy, this is where really the labels have. Also the genius of George Clarke Because Potsy keeps this group together I mean he didn't still such like they. They call it a in a spirit decor whereas these players are you know they feel like if I'm not gonNA play for Potsy, enough I'm not gonNA play with these guys that I consider my brothers then I'm not even gonNA play it's not it's just not. It's you know it was fun while it lasted but if I'm not playing with these guys that I'm not playing anywhere. So that was the first thing the second thing was that he was able to not only create that but also to keep them from just completely saying okay I'm done you know like I'm not playing for anybody else but I'm also not playing for you 'cause I'm not getting paid. Also. So. Like he was able to say you know you're not getting paid I know that this socks or whatever but we are but you know we signed on to play this these fans are counting on you. You know what fans we do have you know counting on us in Seoul. We get. You know how you know we can't just abandon our organization. You know what I mean. Let's go out. You know like winning some games and stuff and saw they did and he kept this team together. They played the entire season like the last few games that even get paid and saw but but nonetheless, the writing is on the wall that this is for the Portsmouth. SPARTANS. And now comes nineteen, thirty four in. This is where we're really WANNA. Go with this episode is focused on one thousand, four at thirty four is when we make tiger make the move that tie Mickey Cochrane comes Detroit, all of a sudden things start to look you know start a pop off in Detroit Tigers, and of course, baseball season comes SHERP four boys of summer they're exactly. So summer is rock and Indie. In the Detroit. Detroit in the nineteen, thirty three was this like you know great depression ravaged area. The Tigers are terrible. There's not there's really no sports to to to get into. Religious Garwood is the only big sports name the Tigers are absolutely dreadful but in one thousand, nine, thousand, four, everything changes. The Tigers are awesome. You know the the they're coming out of the gate with Mickey Cochrane they got all this swagger and sold. There's so there's a radio, the WJR radio owner George. Richards. Sees this. Sees this great thing you know the Tigers going crazy and then at some point I wrote it in the screenplay where he basically. I can't attest to the veracity of this but the idea was that he knew he sees that the that the Portsmouth spartans this great team. Are Folding. And so this is a great team. And he gets aside this this idea what if we transplant this team to Detroit and they're they're competitive on the field just like just like the Tigers, are right on it. You know maybe this is the NFL failed at least three times prior to this sometimes, you see the number four, but it's like a franchise that was like the same franchise but they failed at least three times prior to this to establish an NFL team in Detroit and saw here we are like the these are the great the times they failed was in the roaring twenties, and so here we are in the Great Depression and here's an opportunity they're looking at going. Well. If we can. If we can bring the straight team here if we can associate them with the Tigers. Then we might be onto something able to establish an NFL team and I got a radio station that we broadcast the Games and that was the genesis and so when the to the lions. I did you put that? You have that photo that one with the the lion jumping over the through the hoop? Yeah. There we go. That is the newspaper. Maybe we can see if somebody's listening to it. What we have on the screen is a is a newspaper from the Detroit Times where it's it's a cartoon picture of a lion jumping over a value. Yeah. He's jumping over a goalpost and George Richards is A. Cartoon Picture of George Richards Holding up a plate showing the New York giants first game of versus versus Lions on September twenty third I'm so but anyways so I also be it's too small. Even read if you do if you can't see it on the screen. So I'm GonNa read. So I wanna read the quote that is up on top of the article so you can get a a sort of a better idea. So here is. So George Richards was who who, again, he's the owner of the WGN radio okay okay. Yeah. All right. That's funny. I was just I was on a call today. Right with because I work at the local pop station here Detroit and ninety, six three to DVD. We're owned by Cumulus and and our sisters as in Wjr. Yeah. upstairs, and so we were all I was on the Mitch Albom and Paul Smith and Frank Beckmann Sandler all. In a in a big zoom today which album he looks like Al Pacino. I'm like Mitch. He's not kidding I. I didn't say Paul W Smith actually said Look Porn Moustache. I got. A lot of these. It's interesting because a lot of these things that exist today. Yeah. They have some you know. This station. All the same and all this stuff you know like the movie you show that clay ball that stuff dates and you've got the Fisher Body Company is putting out the first. MLB movie with sound all these different things I mean there's connections with the past that are you know? More than just a lot of the story is the roots of. Of of these institutions that are in Detroit to this day. But so anyway. So here's the quote. So this this article comes out the came out July twenty second nineteen, thirty four at this exact moment, the Tigers were two games. The Tigers had a to gain there in first place and they had a two game lead over the New York Yankees there in first place. So this this is the the exact amount. So this article that there's a little bit the first. The first paragraph. So so you can see if you can't see their other says, program team here is named the Detroit Lions. So this is the article introduces the arrival of the Detroit lions in the very first viewers by Bert Walker for the Sunday Sunday Detroit Sunday. Times. So inspired by the spirited fight, the Detroit Tigers are making for the American League Baseball Championship sponsors of the Detroit Professional football team decided to call their entry to the national. Football League the Detroit Lions. Call this team the Tigers perhaps, but that might create confusion. The lion is the monarch of the jungle said site Houston Vice President, general manager of the team, and we hope to be monarch of the league it our ambition to make the lion as famous as the as the Detroit Ball Club has made the tiger. So so there can be absolutely no doubt based on this quote that the name Detroit Lions was based on the idea of the Tigers in one, thousand, nine, hundred, four there can be no debate. and. So that's what I'm saying like the tie, the lions arrival of the city you know they're they're associating with this Detroit Tiger France. Why would you not? Co op too. Yeah and so but here's the but this is what? It's worth mentioning about this article So there was a new NFL team coming to a city in today's Day and age does pick a team that a city that doesn't have a team currently I don't even know anyways imagine. Land No. Trust me Cleveland all say the same thing back to these rights. Let's not even. That's not even go there but like I say they but anyways. So the magic city doesn't have a football team currently and they they in. An NFL team is coming into the city. How big a news would that be huge biggest thing on there is right all the wall covering this article comes out on page twelve. This article I, actually see it on the top of the page twelve they're announcing an NFL team comedy. Detroit. That's the level that the NFL was back in this time. Okay. It was like especially like something with the Tigers going insane you know. The first eleven pages were probably Detroit Tigers related. Just found a coverage, but this is going to be a recurring theme with this with his Lions Club where they came in the city hoping to latch onto the you know like you say, the lack of a better concept, the coat tails of the tiger and they found a much much rude awakening, which was that you know that you know they they're the team was going to be. Associated with the Tigers by name, they're hoping to associate by deed and then you know their best player. Dutch. Clark lured out of retirement for nineteen thirty four was billed as the Thai Kabul football. We actually have show up that that other picture with the sports stamps. Oh. Sports stamps. To pictures next there. So you see the sports stamps right there where it's got Dutch Clark and tycoon this. Was Nineteen thirty six but you can see how the you know the consistency there were there was a It was there was the idea was there's a new ty Cobb in Detroit, but he doesn't play baseball. You GotTa Come Watch lions game to see this new the next tied, the new Thai cobb Cobb football, and so that's the idea is trying to associate but the problem was again is that the Tigers were so wildly successful that they were that they the lions had arrived rise up to incredible heights just to get past page as well not. Just to even get on just even get in the same newspaper Tigers. A recurring problem for them is that the bar of expectations because the Tigers was raised. So high that the you know this was a very talented team they were fully capable of doing it but it puts you know what I'm saying like. A lot of times this team comes into city in like Gee whiz. I. Hope we do well this year. Let's put on a good show for the new fans guys but no, this was like they were they did not play. Well, if they did not compete for the number, you know for an NFL championship then nobody cares city this is becoming the city champions you're either a champion and your. Page three behind the Tigers or you're not and you're not even in the newspaper. Also, anyway. So that's that's the that's the stage is set. and. So anyway so the lines coming in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, four, and. The immediately they it's again we we talk about the lured Dutch Clark out of retirement. I was GONNA say Clark by God Dutch Clark back in the George Richardson this ownership syndicate, they spend fifteen thousand dollars. That's it for lines and the they pay all the back salaries of all the players. Nice. Well, it's good. But so at fifteen thousand Mickey, Cochran was purchased for one hundred thousand. They got the whole team for fifteen thousand mile. That's what's crazy is like it just shows you the difference like just one player in baseball. You know the granted the hall of Fame Player, versus? Fifteen thousand dollars for this. Awesome. ALTEA is. So anyway. So they bring them in the Dutch Clark retirement they make him one of the highest paid players in the NFL which lures. Goes a long way towards a little. You know obviously learn out of retirement and another thing Another thing that they do is is Allama second I got to Is. is this is what this was. This was just of make sure I get the right Second Another thing that they do which is. Sex. So Dutch areas are here. So so another thing they do is Is, this is what's this is what's even I think. As fascinating as anything that's sort of coming for is nine hundred is, is the also get a player named check. Bernard, from the University of Michigan Okay Okay Chuck Bernard I was I don't even have my notes written down prepared for him, but Chuck Bernard is one of the most dominating college football players of all time. Okay. Chuck Bernard is awesome in like he led the University of Michigan I? Think it was two undefeated my Nelson from to nail it down but it's like look up Chuck Bernard his his statistics are ridiculous at the University of Michigan he's I mean he's easily one of the most decorated college football players of all time. Okay and Chuck Bernard so he signs with the lion. So. Like this is like basically like a number way, they didn't have the draft back then but to get shot Bernard, he's a senator he plays senator and middle in basically when on the flipside. Nose tackle Middle Linebacker on the on defense and so because he basically just flip around on on from your offensive position to the to the. Defense but anyways Chuck Bernard Getting Chuck, Bernard was just like a coup like it was like so big this is like a number one overall draft pick type of thing. Okay. So to get him was just huge because he can sign with any team, but he stayed locally signed with he signed with the Lions. So you've got this guy from you van this one's couple national championships even Gerald Ford played with Chuck. Bernard and they ask them like who is the best guy who believes like Chuck Bernard was the greatest player ever seen still to this day. So anyways, alliance get him to anchor this because they. Have, to you know you'd have you know players would substitute. And so they they already had all world center in Clare Randolph, and now they've got Chuck Bernard who is rumored to be and they the at this time. The. College they have college, All Star. Verses. NFL. Championship game. In the NFL championship would play in a game. In Chicago against the College All Star Squad. So imagine how cool that would be today. Imagine a NFL champion like an NFL champion comes in like the chiefs for instance would play a squad of college. All Stars you know this upcoming season because achieves just won the super bowl. Then they would face off against the college all stars in the college all stars would always give a good account themselves. They were good and it's way but anyways Chuck Bernard Plate in this college also team and he was like played against Brooklyn Gerski because the bears had won the previous year and he was sticking Broccoli Gerski by himself. Nice. which we've already talked about this a month Steve US because. Yeah you could not attempt to tackle him one I one, but Chuck Bernardo's out there stick and Bronco Gerski that's like they're like we gotta get this guy bears have been such a handful for the lions for the Portsmouth Spartans in they do they sign him so anyways so Dutch back. You Got Chuck Bernard Coming Off University of Michigan. You know what? I mean. There's exciting for those that are actually following the NFL, which is you know you're you granted smaller than it is today and much more but they're the optimism for this team was like dude, this is we're going to be they're gonNA be good. They're gonNA be real good, and in fact, they were very good in fact, they were so good. They weren't they went on scored upon the over seven games of the season. They won their first ten and they got they were unschooled upon for the first seven games in. So there's numerous records that were that are associated with this with this Lions Defensive, team? So, this just throw a couple if you look up. Defensive Record Sri Nfl this the nine hundred eighty four lines are peppered through with all kinds of different records like least amount of third quarter points and all kinds of weird little stuff like that but some of the bigger ones. is so they had seven straight shutouts. Okay. So I'm GONNA list you. There's only there's only a handful of teams that have had shutouts seven seven straight shutouts ever you got one, thousand, nine, hundred, twenty and nineteen twenty one akron pros. So the first one, thousand, nine, hundred, and twenty, one, the first year, the NFL. So Nineteen Twenty Akron pros had five straight shutouts the one thousand nine, hundred, twenty, one, Akron pros had eight shutouts. In an so and so then you have the nine, hundred, thirty, four, lie alliance. With seven shutouts in after that, there's not another team that has even anywhere near the the nineteen seventies Saint Louis Cardinals have three. Okay. Nowhere near seven. In. One, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, six, steelers have three. So to this day like there's no. So technically, the nineteen twenty Akron pros have the most right but. You. Know I mean not nobody's since the one thousand, nine hundred didn't know how to play. Well, I don't want to dismiss what they did in nineteen seventy-one because semi could save you the same apply the same logic to anything we talk about. Thirty four they didn't know what nobody knew what they were doing. There's still playing against competition that was at least in the pars them. You know what I mean it's. In their day they're playing against. Competitors of their of their caliber. So like I say to dismiss them of that era based on us. Our story is nobody cares I. saw. So many ways you've got you also day the the lions have the record for the most consecutive games without allowing a touchdown. So that's seven that's facts. Right so that even knew that even eliminates the twenty one akron. So most consecutive games without allowing a touchdown with seven, that's still the record Since, one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, five, the most games without allowing a touchdown is five with the nineteen seventy-six steelers two thousand series tied at. So nobody's even come close to that seven games. and then also the fewest rushing touchdowns the fewest amount of rushing touchdowns. In a season with only two two rushing touchdown, they give two touchdowns on the. Entire season. That's tied with the nine hundred, sixty eight cowboys in the nineteen seventy-one. Viking. So that's. So. Yeah. So that's actually. Yes So it's a few as mine they're tied is like a three way tie so that's I mean those are just and there's if you look it up the defensive records NFL history, you'll just see the the thirty four lines are just peppered all the way through and you'll even see on offense you'll see a couple other ones. So still even being that. Good. They're they're still they're still like page five news though yeah, they're like. They're like well, yeah, actually I that's what I mean is like they're they're still there basically relegated and I actually have a great quote to here to just here's another great example of that of that concept is it. So this this article comes from I actually met I've actually met by the way I've actually met Chuck Bernard Junior, he'll get his son. Yeah, and I've also met the the son of the of the of aid Kushner who is the guy? Who's the quote that we're gonNA eight Kushner was the Kushner was the was the equipment equipment manager Dr For until he died in sixteen daddies did. Sandy, he only played thirty four. Thirty, four. Yeah he didn't play with them and thirty five. He wasn't with the champ but he came back. He came back. He lived here afterwards. Yeah. Must have loved the city for so anyways years this quote here page three, fifty through. So So Eddie Kushner was the like. Basically, like he was a trainer, he was a trainer and equipment guy for the lions in. So anyways. So this quote, this is a rare cold. You're not going to hear this anywhere else except right here in this book because this was unpublished. Published recollections by Kushner because his because again, I met his son and his son had this this saw lions trunk like a wooden. He was some his dad was very proud about being part of the lion. Bob In, the lions this time and he had a trunk full of all this stuff that he donated to the NFL to the NFL. Museum is like I've got a picture of the trunk I've got a picture because I've got so much stuff in here. He lets you go through it I know he had already donate but I did get a copy from the NFL. Copy from the he just don't like I just met him and he's like Oh man i. wish I met you a little bit earlier. I. Just donated. We'd have we'd have. We would have the power over giving us. But. But anyways yeah. So you know. His his son was you know his son is tremendous news and he was really cool and helped me because the NFL when I tried to open up when I tried to get that because he had all he, he'd all those unpublished recollections of cameras from the time. So I tried to get a copy from the NFL from their archives near Lake who are you? Where's your credentials we are which major media are you with I'm like do they just donated it like last week? Let me get a copy of the record you and him or the only people that know the nobody knows about this. Is GonNa. Yeah. So anyway. Through, his son through abby sign I was able to get a copy of those unpublished recollections in. That's where these from. That's why you're not gonNA semen any other bookie separate here. So. This is what Regino we're. We're talking about the attendance of these lion's games and so on. So here it is right here. So the smallest suicide because near the smallest crowd to see a lion home game was was the second game played in Detroit in Nineteen thirty four. It was a Saturday night affair which we won six nothing in front of a crowd of eighteen hundred paying customers. There were more fans in the stands, but they came in on paper passes everything was tried to make the. Club look like it was catching on most folks most folks know that the first seven games we played one by shutouts. Still the crowds kept away in droves end zone seats went begging at fifty cents a ticket, which is like nothing I mean even fifty cents, fifty cents like it went the end zone seats went begging at fifty cents a ticket. So they trying to if you look back at all the records for how many fans were these games, the numbers are like nine, thousand, twelve, thousand. But the numbers where he says even so you can even hear out of his own words he's saying you know everything was done to make it look like we were big but we were nothing I mean we were small know and so on. So anyways, yeah. So that's that's the situation they're doing phenomenally, but they're also doing it at the at the at the same old because. As we mentioned in a previous episode, we spend Interior episode of the newspaper. Their first game was comes right when the Lai, the Tigers are clinching the pennant. You even showed in. This is two days later, Lyons when they're the new NFL team wins the first game two days later there's. Not even a mention. I'll up now look at. What about yesterday? That's all you? Yeah. You got your you've got your little box score in the newspaper. So anyways yeah. So but but nonetheless, the lions are are the newly born one, thousand, nine, hundred, four lines are kicking. Rear end man is kicking. Purple Yeah. So I'll just go through a kind of a little list a couple of cool things. Here's another record this I had to write this down to make sure you mention this. Is that in the third game of the season right after the art this. Because she was talking about the second game, the third game of the season is is on October seven is on October seventh and it's a three nothing victory over the packers. Now that three points they scored in that game was a field goal kicked by Glenn Press now who've already been mentioned but really by you call them the second best player in the Lions. And so anyway. So Glenn Press, now kicks a fifty four yard field goal. Okay. Just to put into context how how big that field was that field goal stood as a record and NFL record until nineteen, fifty three, she's that was the longest field goal in one thousand nine. How long was it? It was a fifty, four yard fifty. Fifty more. Impressive. Great. Yeah. It's a great distance fifty four yard kick. So he kicks off to win a game three nothing against the packers. Okay and so so the packers they beat the packers that record stood until nineteen fifty-three. On his name Burt Reichen are car fifty, six yards and nineteen fifty-three but it stood a lions record until nineteen ninety, five with Jason Hanson kicked a fifty six yard what stood as an NFL record I actually remember that time I don't remember it because necessarily I, was into this story at that time but I remember when Jason Hanson broke that and I remember thinking to myself that's a long God long nineteen, thirty four. Sixty something years. And who has the record now? For the lion. Yeah It was it. Prater Crater has. The are really good field goals. They better. They better be. No, they've always seemed like they always have like the one thing. They always seem to have Eddie Murray or anybody who Jason Hansen as they always have like an elite field goal kicker or like an elite partner. They do some guy that can just drop a ball and like the one inch line you know like I wish they had signed kick delicious just so you. Know that is. A Youtube Star that was like kicking balls with his he'll villain like sixty five yard field goal making it look like he was just. He was really he was like from Sweden or something and he was amazing look when you go look up kick Alicia. Amtel you when you watch him, you're like, Oh my God this guy is the give me the greatest NFL kicker you get you get to. Your opponents forty, five, fifty. Yeah. Just give it to. Kick. This guy is kicking field goals from the highway. Like. Looking over this crazy. Oh, is amazing. Great Great Little INTERJECTS THAT KICK And they did sign him. They didn't I remember when they signed him I was like, yes this is the best signing. Yeah, but and then they didn't even they caught on and they meeting he was in the he was in the expiration this spring the. preseason game. But he never actually made it into a real game. It was very different when you have nobody running up. That's true. But you think that they could have done a little bit of development or some other team would have picked them up and really made some of right right right. But anyways yeah. But the lions literally always had great kickers I mean all the way back to nineteen thirty four when you got Glen Press Nell boot Noth- fifty, four yarder. The beat the packers three nothing. So anyways, that's that's definitely worthy mentioned from this season. And then I also have another quote from game five with. Game Five. So this is a great quote because it this is this is. This a quote that has Mickey Cochran and Jo Jo white sitting in the crowd and this is Jo jo white from the Tigers telling talking about this psalm about this team. So, Mickey Cochran jo-jo tiger. Day off had no the season was over by the. Shares was over. Yeah. Yet worlds here. I told her seventeenth is when this quote So this is so say this after they're on the world series, but they're take take a break to watch a game before they all went south to you know to their hometowns. But anyway there's but this is a great because it really dives and we're talking about Policy Clark and I love right because it it kind of it kind of it kind of gives a verbal. Paints a nice verbal picture of this of like the precision of this team. and. So anyway. So this is so this quote comes for the game five with a lions beat the beat the Boston redskins twenty four to nothing, and so the soul I'll just reiterate it right ahead so. Joel White Detroit Tigers Center fielder a little hollow hollow-cheeked impeach from having his. tonsils shirt I must mean must have had his tonsils tonsilectomy or something okay. So Gioja, White a little little hollow-cheeked and Pete from having his tonsils jerk. Sat in the stands of university betray stadium and watched open-mouthed as the Detroit Lions shut out the Redskins when it was all over Joe Joe, rolled his eyes and remarked admiringly ain't nobody GonNa get them lions ow. I've never seen such a football team I watched father Lumpkin told a ball. Down in Georgia but lump just looks like one of the boys in there I'm going down home to Georgia and give me some give me some shooting. I don't WanNa see anymore football games. This season I've done seen all there is there ain't no more, which is just Joe Joe's quaint way of paying tribute to excellence making Cochran manager of the Tigers was there too and he got as much of a bang out of the game as Joe Joe. So the headed for the. Pair of Lions Fifth Consecutive shutout victory. The lions were about as near perfection as it is possible for one team to appear in a competitive contest, it was a fifth consecutive game that they have played without having their goal line crossed that not only is it record for the National Football League. But in this day of wide open football, it can be cataloged as a miracle. Even Lille McDonnell who was an original line man? Didn't think Pasi Clark's Pat could keep the redskins from from scoring points. They not only kept kept the reds from from scoring but captain from having the ball long enough to count the laces and the redskins are not the kind of football team that is shoved around that way every night in the week now with the backs like Ernie pinker cliff battles and Doug wycoff operating behind one of the biggest and strongest lines in football. So. The next to the passage here Detroit Detroit the last word in grid efficiency. The lions have all have about all that any coach could ask for including superb kicking flawless, blocking fast and loose ball carrying speed and precision. Most of these lines of play together for three to four years. In the finished product on, you've deter last night was just about the last word in gridiron efficiency once the lines took the ball on their own twenty, seven yard line in crossed the goal line in exactly a half dozen plays on that March they use about every sound offensive measure in the book selected with judgment and execute with marvellous precision. And the final passenger snapping precision make lions perfect team. Clark is only one of a dozen similar stars with the Lions showed last night earning cadel Glenn press now Frank Christianson in Lumpkin. Baxter. Gladdened the heart of any coach when you have them on the same team and clicking like the Lions Click last night, you're very near the perfect football team, the line function in a manner. Worthy of these great backs, there was a snap and precision to the things they did that one never sees a college gridiron. intercollegiate football may supply more glamor and excitement than the professional game. But for artistry and sheer competence, it will never equal the performance of a team like the lions. As Joe Joe says it is difficult to see how anyone is going to get them out. So it really kind of. Precision excellence I mean. This great football team. And and it. It talks a little bit about college being a bit more popular time. Yeah. Than than the pros and he's actually talked about it in that where he's. The college game might be more popular in that, but it's got nothing on this pro game because when he's saying like when you have these these guys all season, you know they're all former college stars in the watch them operate the way that they do. You know I mean, he's just he's spell he's like painting. This picture in this cool thing is Do we have a picture? Do we have some of the older picture on the shelves but I had those old? Shoulder one with the with the with the with the. Show the one with the the numbers on it keep going up going up one. Down One picture from your there you go that one. So that right there is right out potsy Clark's book. A book off. A diagram play single wing offense, and you can see in that picture anyway, there's not watching unfortunately if you have to buy the book. On, this is actually just out of the I I watched it on Youtube. This is the first book and you can see. The ball carrier going through the whole and how every player is just like. The I mean it's a C-. It's like the Red Sea partying and there's a player coming out with a funnel to run through. So that was like the that's the way that like the textbook way that play runs now flip to the next one down one and over to the left that one. There you go. That's what it looks like in the. Game Okay Oh look. So you can see I mean this is like I mean this is an in game fold of this is an old you know this is taken off of a microfilm. So it's not great as image, but you can just see those players all the machine like precision of this team that's a single wing offense in action and saw. I mean you can see it is like the precision of that team and sold that, and that was posse. Clark football was the bears remorse a brutality type of a game in the packers were more of a the packers. Surprisingly we're more of a passing team can even though that the the they had. Arnie herber in some of the. Johnny blood and some of these great great packers players they also had. They also had some great running backs too but anyways they. Clark Kinkel like literally we can do an entire episode and Clark Kinkel for the packers. You're talking about one of the Great all-time NFL studs that never gets mentioned. He's one of my favorite players but anyways but he was a packers are running back and but anyways they. You can see like this parts of the packers, more of like a passing team like more of a combination passing in running the bears were just brutality just pure brutality and the in the the lions in. Portsmouth, spartans were precision precision was just discipline discipline discipline discipline. He alludes in there that the lions players were monsters that you know that that Father Lumpkin who is the number one star when they're fan favorites will Clark does Clark. was their best player but Father Lumpkin was there was there like fan favorite like he was the most popular player on the team and all this in so anyways is you know he's lumped just looks like one of the boys in their. Almost, say, 'cause Lumpkin was a big guy that's. Just kind of blends in with the rest. But like that's not entirely true because the lions like some of the guys like there's a guy named ox Emerson for the for the Lions who guard guys like I'm bigger than him. I'm five eleven to you take off. This guy. This guy is. He plays right next to Tarzan Christmas and is one of the biggest guys Mutton Jeff what type of thing? We're one guy small one guy huge. But anyway. So you know they had some smaller guys on this team so it was more about the precision. You, know about the everybody knowing exactly what they're gonNA do operating at the size that matters. That's how you use it. Exactly. Just making sure I got that you hit that right on the. Bud So anyways so we can kind zip through because we had to run yeah we've got about five five six minimum hang in there guys. Yeah. So anyways so anyways, I'll get game eight is when they're streak is finally broken okay and it's broken and the very first quarter on a forty yard touchdown pass from Jokela Dany to Heart Vaughn okay. So it's in the first quarter the they score the score the Pittsburgh pirates. Score score a forty yard touchdown pass and what's interesting is. So I got a great friend of mine named Tom Uric who had loved to actually bring the show at some point and he's just an absolute like he loves he he he he recorded a series of interviews at the Lions Golden. Huddle which was it was a fiftieth anniversary of the Lions I championships. This is one, thousand, nine, hundred, five. Recordings, and so there's there's like nine or ten lions players there, and so he recorded got the recording. Yeah I've got three quarters play some some point I would love yet I. think it'd be cool I'll just get you listen and yeah. But it's a very least. We can give you a copy and then you listened to him there's somebody want to hear. But anyways. So on those recordings they were joking on there because they were talking about when Split Dany threw that touchdown pass to heart Vaughn broke their strain so they were all there they're all like all buoyed we show them then. We put our feet on their throats game. They won this game indeed, the score plays out forty seven. and. The rest of the game he goes with they're actually on the tape saying Oh man, we hammer the Pittsburgh. Mercy. We gave up one that's it like they were furious because they stop their streets so that so that street comes to an end and game eight but not without penalty to the fires. And so anyway. So they keep winning gay wind game nine, seventeen to thirteen over the Chicago cardinals. Game Ten they beat the Saint Louis Gunners forty, two seven and then but then here's where here's where all basically falls apart. So, there, at this point ten and all round one, every game go all the way. So all of a sudden this is what's interesting is out of sudden there's this idea that maybe detroiters who've lost this heart wrenching world series in one, thousand, nine, thirty, four, granted a month or so earlier. Sure. But that maybe there's like a constellation. The NFL. NFL. Championship. Nfl Championship US cool. Thing kind of getting interested in this a little bit. Yeah. So the in. So there you know the coverage actually can see it in the newspaper it starts to ramp up a little bit but all of sudden the rug is pulled off, money them the game eleven they lose three to nothing to the packers, the team that they'd beat three to nothing earlier in the season tit for tat. Three. Was Exactly. It was A. Barn burner. Yeah. So anyway. So November twenty, nine, th. So just three days later is the first Thanksgiving game. Against the bears. They lose sixteen to Nineteen. By three points to the bears. So they lose the first Thanksgiving game and then just the Thanksgiving game, and this is worth a nice little aside is that the Thanksgiving game was the genesis of the brainchild of George Richards Right Wjr radio who had connects all through the industry, and this is the first football nfl pro football game broadcast coast to coast, and so he sets up the syndicate across the ended. This first Thanksgiving game is broadcast across the country as we still the lions still playing the Thanksgiving today today and you know what I mean like you talk about origin story thirty four is the first. Thanksgiving game in the Lions Win I'm sorry they beat that's. The rug from the field. No duck and noser knocking back then. Ellison's the evidence on it. And then and then game thirteen. So they lose against the bears in in game twelve against Thanksgiving but that loss eliminates them from the champion for many championship create. Two losses eliminated from the championship consideration and then the final game against the bears they lose against the bears again, seven to ten they had not beaten balance going into after this these two loss to the bears that that made it so that the the lions had not beaten the bears since I'm sorry that franchise it was the Spartans, the spartans and the lions combined had not beaten the bears since nineteen thirty one, this is all. Happening in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, four, thirty, four. Yeah. Now they're streak of losses to the bears extended. Now they haven't what since nineteen thirty one, they lost the nineteen thirty, two NFL championship game to the bears. The bears are like now like now they've just beat them not the first Thanksgiving game to eliminate them and they to rub salt into a wound they beat them in the final game of the season to you'll see. These. Are The insult anybody that's Alliance Fan. You know a newly burgeoning lions fans go on what the hell happened. You know we were doing. But now they're awake into this idea of the rivalry, the rivalry with the packers, the rivalry with the bears because they just pull the rug out from underneath them and they're on. They're going with the lions are good. They're real good but they still haven't got past these two packers and bears. It's what they have to overcome these two teams. So this sets the stage for them in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, five. So this is. This is the Do we have time for one picture? Sure. Yeah. Hey throw this up there real quick start with the next week but otherwise, we'll actually the picture with Dutch Clark the big headshots. So that, right. There is one of the most iconic photos in NFL history and you can see why I mean just look at the I'm sorry for any of the viewers at home that are that are listening. But if you if you if you Google the American football player, you'll be able to see what we're talking about Dutch part the the the title, the photo was so iconic that it was given A. Name and it was called the American football player and it captures Dutch Clark in sort of a Roman gladiator type of on Roman gladiator look I? mean. It is just the perfect and actually say it in this that photo that's on our screen is taken out of time life magazine from what's the date I got on here for that that that came out this I first appeared in the Detroit Detroit News. The Detroit News. In nineteen thirty four I forgot what day that was but where's the date for the? I'll put it on the bottom of the of the of the picture. Let me see what is it. You can the person can see it but than I can't. Or thirty four, but it's twelve twenty, eight, Thirty, twelve, twenty case that was the time life magazine. So right after Christmas one, thousand, nine, hundred, four that photo was seen across the country by in the time life magazine and saw it says in the photo the perfect football face and sold that photo right there as we were already talking about, you know bringing the Dodge Clark was there tie Kabul football, and so this is this. This photo is seen by a nation of readers who made again, they probably are looking at football's second or third class sport as well, and now they all here that there's a team called Detroit. Lions. And so the brand just that this image was massively responsible for beginning this brand is like any NFL team that continues here is going to forever be the lions. Establishing this national presence, just a simple photo and I've always loved that like it's a great. We can finish the season with this last little call because this is a quote by Dutch Clark where he talks about this photo of him getting his picture taken in this. Yeah. So So. The sexually page four, zero five here for those will be reading along at home. Page four or five. Well, you got a nice and blown up in the book to yeah. Oh. Yeah. This. Is Yeah in it. Photos done by a guy named William Consul Okay I've got an entire section in the book about William Council photos some of the most iconic photos in Detroit sports history are taking. There's a picture Tuykov. Third base that is willing console like any pretty much. Any early nineteen hundreds iconic photo of Detroit sports that you've seen like every book consultation that was council that did it. He was that good. There's I mean he was an incredible photographer. So. anyways. Swear. So here's the quote. This is by Dutch Clark it comes out of out of a book they throw him back up there. It comes out of a book called Old, leather and written by Chris Willis, and so this is Dutch Clarkson won words I was treated well by the Detroit fans and press wants during practice we had a photographer named bill console from the Detroit News Komo. He was taking photos story. Well, he took a photo of me from the side, a profile shot I was just I was just kneeling on the sideline. Watching our defense run a few drills bill just snapped. It turned out. Wonderful. It was in the photo section in the newspaper got a ton of requests for the photo. It then appeared in life magazine. I don't know whether he thought it was photogenic or what he came out again and must have snapped one hundred more but he never had a good one like that. I one it was just something that happened. It was just like he was more and there's so many I've actually now candid. So that's not really. It's just one of those photos. It's kind of like the flag like the GM photo where they took that picture of the flag. Captured the nation like I wouldn't say this was anywhere near that. But this photo. This like I mean you can just catches the time. It captures ups like that photo like I've done a lot of graphic stuff with that in fact, use it for the cover of the SCR st episode of the screenplay. You just can't help you I. Mean It's just an unbelievable photo captures an era. You know what I mean like the guy looks like a Roman gladiator. Does saw, yeah. I mean that's like I say that photo did a great deal to spread the brand of the Detroit lions so that story and a lot more that photo and a lot more all inside the trilogy of Books Detroit City of champions in the website is also Detroit champions Dot Com. So, Jamie Charles Mad Fox, we are please you spend some time with us for these stories. We'll be back with another one next time. So until then be well cheers. I GUESS