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Fresh "Chuck" from Tony and Dwight
"Down 11 injunction other than that traffic in very good shape. Our next report is in 15 minutes chucking from NewsRadio, 8 40 w wait. J s I'm Wook. Why Meteorologist a mammal? Oh ceviche with a Friday forecast. It'll feature a mix of clouds and sunshine temperatures a little milder than yesterday, topping out near 63 thickening cloud cover tonight with lows near 46. We're gonna see a cloudy cool, damp start to the week end with Saturday highs only near 56 is we got some spotty rain showers will keep a chance of a few showers Sunday with highs near 61. That's your latest wook. Why forecast I'm meteorologist Mammal. Oh, ceviche, Kentucky. Anna's breaking news, Weather and Traffic station. This is news radio. Wait. 40 w h a s your news now. Good morning. It's 10 30. I'm Will Clark News Radio away 40 W H A s. A motive is unknown at this hour in the latest mass shooting to hit the U. S this time inside the second largest FedEx shipping hub near the Indianapolis airport, police saying they got a call of shots fired last night immediately found eight people dead inside..
Democrats Pressure GOP to Support Asian-American Hate Crimes Bill
"Are facing an uphill battle to get GOP support for a hate crimes bill. The path ahead towards an anti Asian hate bill remains uncertain. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer says he's still waiting to hear from Republicans on whether they intend to try and filibuster the legislation. Schumer says the bill should be by Partisan and puts the blame on the rise of attacks on Asian Americans on former President Trump A. B C's Andrew Dember reporting from Washington. You're
Fresh "Chuck" from WTOP 24 Hour News
"Crew along the left side outer loop after New Hampshire on the bridge over northwest Branch, the work takes the right lane. I'm Rita Kessler. W T OBY traffic Let's check in live now. With Storm team forced Chuck Bell on this cloudy Friday. Yeah, very cloudy. There will be little breaks of sunshine from time to time, but you'll think of it as a mostly cloudy day. The winds have started to pick up now They're out of the West. Averaging 20 to 25 MPH at national Airport at National Airport. The current temperatures of 51 Dulles is at 50 Inner Harbor of Baltimore is at 51, however, where the clouds are thicker and where the wind is stronger out in the western Maryland, Oakland, Maryland Deep Creek Lake area their current temperature is youth 32 degrees with a wind chill of 20. So it's a lot colder out in far western Maryland. There are some raindrops in Pittsburgh and the temperature there only 40 degrees. So that cold Northwest cloudy Northwest flow is gonna be with us the rest of the day. Not really worried about rain here east of the mountains, so it'll be dry but mostly cloudy, breezy, chilly temperatures today only around 60 at the most. Will drop into the upper thirties and low forties tonight under a clearing sky and with a lot less of a breeze after sundown. Then tomorrow, another sunny and chilly start. Not quite as cold oven afternoon tomorrow 62, but without the wind around, it'll feel quite a bit milder and then for both Sunday and Monday partly to mostly cloudy, keeping a 20% chance for a stray shower or two on Sunday, But I don't think it's gonna be much You could really move your rain chances up if you did something crazy, like washed the car tomorrow. I'm storm Team four. Meteorologist Chuck Belfour. W T o P. All right, Chuck Right now, here in northwest Washington. We're looking at mostly cloudy skies and 49 degrees brought to you by new look home design. They may getting a new roof easy. W t o T 10 22. Washington football team is asking some of its biggest fans what they would rename.
Urías drives in 3 on pinch-hit double, Brewers down Cubs 6-3
"The burst turned a pitchers duel into a run away six to three win over the cubs a five run sixth inning pave the way the bursa trailed one nothing going into the earnings but pinch hitter Luis Rios put the brewers on the border with a bases clearing three run double it made a winner out of Freddy Peralta who is beating the cubs twice with two strong starts in the last week the cubs who have lost five of six they couldn't get any offense going first order advert as away who give up just one hit through the first five innings Chuck Freeman Milwaukee
Fresh "Chuck" from Colorado's Morning News with April Zesbaugh and Marty Lenz
"K away news radio time it, Saito one April and Marty with you, Fox 31 pinpoint whether it is currently let's see her 27 degrees. Snow still falling in spots will get too high and the Upper thirties today, possibly more snow till about nine o'clock this morning where we start this morning winner again along the front range. Not this season, but the weather moving in overnight. We're under a winter weather advisory at least until nine this morning for about another hour here in the metro area. It's making for some slick conditions and spots, and Fox 31 meteorologist Jessica Labelle says We're not quite done. No chance is going to stay high until about mid day Friday. Into Friday afternoon. We see those no chances taper off now. Additional snow accumulation is expected to reach 2 to 5 inches here in Metro Denver, and another system could bring us snow on Monday, si dot Already hard at work this morning traffic specialist Ryan Drake liver available clothes have been out all throughout tonight. They've been concentrating mainly on the heart major freeways. 70 years 25 to 25 6 have a new home and the usual common sense supplies and includes taking it easy on those bridges and overpasses. Slushy conditions on main roads could mean ice on those surfaces. And if you're heading up to the high country, traction laws are in effect. Weather is hampering covert 19 vaccination and testing sites this morning. Kay Away News radio's Chuck Clark is live with that part of the story. April. Yeah, if you had a vaccine appointment of Paul Arena today, all appointments canceled because of the weather. They will be rescheduled to next Monday and Tuesday. There's been no cancelations down at the broad more in Colorado Springs. By the way, Kobe check Colorado testing sites are pushing start times back due to the snow. The metro area sites of Jefferson County Fairgrounds, Little's in Park and Walk North High School in Westminster High School. All on delayed Start till nine A.M. this morning Chuck Clark, a away news radio starting today, most of the metro area is in level blue for coronavirus restrictions. The state mandated the dial system. It's now a thing of the past and control over regulations has gone to local counties. The exceptions are well. Douglas and Albert counties, which have decided to drop all.
Vin Diesel's Neighbors Upset By Aggressive Security Presence
"Diesel. Has a security problem with his neighbors who say that his security team act like they own the hood. S O. He Vin Diesel is renting a place in a gated community in the Dominican Republic and neighbors say he has 12 really aggressive security guards protecting him and his family. The next door neighbor says the last straw was this Easter. When the guards blocked pedestrians and traffic, so Vin and his kids could bicycle. Lord and have so this neighbor wrote a letter to him, which, of course, was obtained by TMZ. They've got people everywhere. And he says, You know, for a few weeks I've personally witnessed and heard from fellow homeowners, the unprecedented in abusive display of your security people around our homes and the beach. Interrogating us blocking our street with five or six SUV stopping residents while walking when you ride your bicycle. And you know they have a point. Sure, he says in over 10 years, the homeowners in this beach area have never endured or suffered such absurd comportment. Anyone renting a home and are very small and very private and very secure community. This guy happens to be from New York. No surprise market issue is that seven was doing I'm walking. You had a tinge of sarcasm when he wrote, he said, You should know you're visiting a community where, um Um That nobody feels threatened by people who are visiting the area. He's got this long letter. So apparently Vin Diesel has been going to this area for or at least the Dominican Republic for like 20 years. And he said. Well, I was riding my bike with my kids and handing out Easter baskets to workers in the community. His workers. His keyboards right here is like Hey, Bruce. Hey, go, Chuck. Number three. Come over here, so really interesting. No, I
Fresh "Chuck" from Colorado's Morning News with April Zesbaugh and Marty Lenz
"Tuesday, Yet another snow system will move into Colorado, the metro areas under a winter weather advisory through nine o'clock this morning, Si dot has a full complement of plows on the roads and they've been out all night as well. Traffic specialist Ryan Drake says they've been concentrating on the main interstates to some lesser free what is a swell, but Major freeways have been our main concern over night. If you're heading to the mountains conditions a bit worse, and traction laws are in effect. Now We've had some reports of down freeze and some power problems from the latest storm. We get more from Keighley News radio's Chuck Clark. I was driving near the D U campus had to swerve to miss a branch that was laying in the road and then a few minutes later had to swerve again to avoid a larger branch. On the right lane of South bound University. No, so is letting up a little bit, but still very cloudy. So obviously not in the clear you'll definitely need to focus on the conditions on your way out this morning. Chuckler Ko, a news radio. Thank you, Chuck. Be safe out there this morning. In other news nationally. Now nine people are dead, including the gunman and several more injured in a late night shooting. This happened at the FedEx ground facility near the Indianapolis International Airport. Here's police officer Johnny Cook. Neapolis but from police Department officers responded 89 51 Mirabelle Road to the FedEx building, they reported..
Capitol Police Officer William Evans will lie in honor at US Capitol
"The capitol police officer killed last week during an attack will be recognized for his sacrifice. Police officer william. Billy evans died. Friday after a man rammed his car into a barricade near the capital house. Speaker nancy pelosi and senate majority leader. Chuck schumer say. The eighteen year veteran of the force will lie in honor. In the capitol rotunda on april thirteenth. Do the pandemic only invited guests will be allowed inside the driver of the car. Twenty five year. Old noah green was shot on the scene and died. Investigators are focusing on his mental health. They tried to determine a motive for the
Washington DC officer to lie in Capitol Rotunda
"U. S. Capitol Police officer killed in the line of duty will lie in honor inside the Rotunda. Capitol Police officer William Billy Evans died Friday after man rammed his car into a barricade near the capital, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer. Say the 18 year veteran of the force will lie in honor in the Capitol Rotunda on April 13th due to the pandemic, only invited guests will be allowed inside the driver of the car. 25 year old Noah Green was shot on the scene and died. Investigators are focusing on his mental health as they try to determine a motive for the
Digital papers, please? New York rolls out COVID-19 vaccine passport
"Passports are being touted as an easy way to verify a person has received one of the corona virus vaccines or tested negative for the virus. Jason Kelly is the general manager of global strategic alliances at IBM, which helped develop New York's Excelsior Pass, You see an app that includes a Q R code. They took a test and when the negative test they then had that You are code pushed to their home. When someone scans the QR code, they can access the state's health data. Some critics were skeptical of carrying around personal health data on a smartphone. But Kelly says the APP doesn't collect any information on individuals that Q R code is really The past. So there's no data on your phone. It's just a Q R code with Tech trends. Chuck's Iverson ABC News Before I was adopted, I felt like nobody wanted me. I felt like my life
President Biden will unveil his $2 trillion infrastructure plan today – here are the details
"Like Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer are talking up the infrastructure plan President Biden will unveil this afternoon in Pittsburgh will create millions of new jobs. With good wages. Which always occurs when we invest in infrastructure and manufacturing, as we will be doing here. The White House proposal calls for rolling back corporate tax cuts that were passed during the Trump Administration to fund the $2 Trillion Plan. $621 billion were allocated for transportation infrastructure.
Joe Biden's dog bites second person in a month
"On the White House South Lawn earlier this week. It's the second time in a month that dog has been a very bad boy, Biden's three year old German shepherds a rescue dog, I wouldn't say that a rescue dog is more problematic or less problematic. Michelle Macleod to certify dog trainer Most dog bites in this country occur because dogs have given signals that Have been disregarded, like their body language will change my grow. They try to retreat, so educate others had to interact with our dogs and more dog training majors had additional training recently, Chuck Secrets in ABC News at 5 20. Another successful launch of a space sex test rocket. But once again,
Saweetie Confirms Breakup With Quavo
"Wave. Oh, uh, Amigos and sweetie, both hip hop stars. Relationship has come to an end. Was sweetie telling Cuervo to take care on IG? That's how you slam it home. I love that. She did that because he tried to gaslight her by saying I didn't know you were the kind of woman who would put me out there for cheating on you Exactly. That it all happened after sweetie appeared on Justin Combs show. Now Justin comes is our X and end up talking about 37 as she even mentioned that she was single. Let me tell you something. I watched that video. So let's get the facts straight When she was asked. Would you ever have a threesome with your man? If he was doing everything right? Her quote was if he's doing everything right, then yes, he can pick to do that. We have the three someone. So here's the problem, Right? Don't matter if you're single, not you cannot be seen on camera with your ex if I'm affiliated with Do you know what you also can't do? Cheat on me several times over three years. Okay, let me get back to the okay. Let's go. Let's go back to that also said on the show she's endured too much betrayal and her behind the scenes. It is emotionally checked out a long time ago. We could see that Lot of people that follow her notice that she stopped posting a little while ago. You see on me? I'm showing up with every x to every single candle light opening that's happening. I don't care what's happening because I feel like so we didn't need some revenge, Sweetie, Please say more than take care. Next time. I'm waiting for the book of the Oprah interview to come out. I think sweetie should have handled this. Like Derek Jackson's
Project Sealab 1 Report Part 2
"Today wanna conclude my two part series on the project sea lab one summer report from june of nineteen sixty five to recap impart one. I chuck through the background. Information contained in the report c. Labs sea trials and the ultimate successful placement at one hundred ninety three feet off of argo island near bermuda. You might recall that. The four aqua dots anderson barth manning in thompson had just entered a habitat on july twentieth. Nineteen sixty four for their eleven day mission first off. They needed to make repairs on all the systems that were not operable. The initial report says that the subjects sounds like a clinical experiment which i guess it was slowed their pace in that fatigue coupled with shoulder joint discomfort was noted their appetites were good and digestion and elimination where normal also the report stated that their sensory perception remained unchanged and the joint discomfort eased with time. Now there are quite a few photographs in the report of the men in and around. See lab during the mission. Unfortunately the photos are not really that. Good copy i have well. What worked did they do. According to the report the subjects performed work tasks outside of c. lab investigating marine life cleaning debris on the ocean floor surrounding c. lab taking pictures of their operations in photos of the small one man. Submersible called star one which was sent into the area for evaluation. Also described are two significant incidents that occurred during the mission one of which was a serious nature. The other was related to nitrogen narcos and that hit to team members the nitrogen narcos incident actually happened when two of the aqua noughts entered the transformer room of the lab without dr mark six gear. It says that they immediately experienced coaches had to leave and then helium was pumped in to prevent further issues with nitrogen marcos's. The more serious incident happened when manning apparently struck his gas control yoke against a habit and it accidentally closed it as he was depleting gas supply. He knew that something was wrong and made a hasty return to see and lost consciousness as he entered. Fortunately anderson heard manning's tanks see lab and found him lifted him above the water applied resuscitation and with the assistance of barth and thompson. He was saved. He remained active with the crew for the remainder of the mission. The only issue was a severe hemorrhage to the whites of his eyes on wednesday july. Twenty ninth nineteen sixty four. The mission was terminated due to unfavourable weather predictions and at twenty three fifty six. That's eleven fifty six. Pm c. lab was lifted off the bottom and the arduous task of recovering. The men and a habitat began on august. Fourth deok were taken out of decompression c. Lab equipment was packed and stowed for shipment and on april fourth nineteen sixty four at eleven thirty. A m readme. Jk laden chief of naval research congratulated sess and officially terminated c. lab one. Some interesting things were noted for example in the first paragraph of the summary. Report it states. The men during the occupancy lab accentuated their personal idiosyncrasy during one period excessive use of foul language developed as well as an independent attitude with respect to the surface support guests. They didn't appreciate papa topside trying to control them now. I want to quickly cover some of the findings. No surprise was that handling of the habitat was difficult. Especially when there were waves they also found that nitrogen percentage decreased over time as it was being absorbed by the sea water and could use compressed air to make up the o. Two since nitrogen absorbed four times faster than oh two and the helium didn't dissipate. Another finding was that the hookah system failed to perform satisfactorily. Apparently the pumps were noisy. Overloaded easily report also outlines some findings on the men one interesting note was regarding the selection process. It said that there might have been too many potential leaders leading to an unwarranted degree of independence below. The conclusions stated that human subjects could live and work under pressure and one hundred ninety three feet and while all major systems work many were primitive. The report suggested that the divers could spend six hours outside each day also provision for adequate body heating while swimming around was a major problem even though the water temperature was sixty nine degrees fahrenheit the project. Sea lab summer report concludes with a series of recommendations and those recommendations include a better handling system a higher degree of independence from surface support assigning one man full-time to housekeeping they dry vehicle for transporting and a final recommendation that a c. lab task group of twenty five to thirty five people involved in future. Rnd in the man in the programs be put in place so that concludes part two of the c. lab one office of navel research report from nineteen sixty five. We know now that c. lab to went to a successful mission before the tragic events of c. Lab three but in one thousand nine hundred sixty four at the height of the space race. We were also exploring interspace
Harvard punishes professor who had ties to Jeffrey Epstein
"For Harvard University professor with close ties to the late financier and convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein for the next two years. Martin Nowak can continue teaching, say Harvard officials, but other contact with students will be limited and his research centers being shut down. No actual math professor he was on paid leave after a review last spring, found that he violated school security rules by giving Jeffrey Epstein unrestricted access to campus, including an office and a building key card even after the financiers 8 2006. Crimes conviction, Epstein donated millions to know ex research in a statement, no access, he's humbled to return to work and regrets his connection with Epstein, Chuck's
Biden holds 1st formal news conference
"Made a little news right away, doubling his initial covert vaccination goal from 100 million to 200 million shots administered in his 1st 100 days. President also vowed to fulfill his campaign promises. One at a time from tackling the pandemic to curbing mass shootings to ending the surge of the border. The president told reporters. I'm gonna do with all those problems. The question is Priorities as they come and land on my plate. Asked about reforming the filibuster, Mr Biden said, it's been abused in a gigantic way, and he showed anger when he was asked about Republican efforts to reverse expanded access to voting. It is the most pernicious thing this makes Jim Crow looked like Jim Eagles. Mr. Biden shrugged off the notion that migrants are heading north because they see him a sympathetic That's not the reason they're coming, and he said a condition for diplomacy with North Korea the end result of denuclearization. Stephen Portnoy's CBS News the White House. Meantime, Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer laid out an ambitious legislative
Biden prepared to chuck filibuster in historic push to re-engineer America, quickly
"People close to bind. Tell us he's feeling bullish on what he can accomplish. Fully prepared to support the dashing of the senate filibuster rule to allow democrats pass voting rights and other trophy legislation. I party and i just read to you what it is. It's not voting rights. But until the day i die. That's what i call it. Voting reform voting rights. It's funny how tyranny is labeled with the word reform and rights. Isn't it the agenda. That biden wants to enact includes a crackdown on the second amendment passing a highly controversial election bill and a radical climate agenda. The report says the biden reportedly loves the media generated narrative that he's boulder and bigger thinking than president obama. What did i tell you. White house press secretary. Jen pisarski said this week. That biden is in regular contact with former president obama to consult with him on a wide range of issues. The news that biden are reportedly supports ending the filibuster notice. He wouldn't say during the campaign comes. After biden recently said this month that he only supported making changes to the filibuster not eliminating the man does not have an ounce of integrity. Ladies and gentlemen he never has those of us who've been watching him for decades we know what he is. He's called a sleazeball. The week before biden said he supported making changes to the filibuster the white house signal that he did not support making changes to it during the campaign biden stated that he did not support a limiting the filibuster because doing so quote racist problems that are more damaging than the problems that exist that now he wants to eliminate the push for senate democrats to eliminate the filibuster is reportedly being led by a massive far left. Dark money group.
Judge blocked Boulder assault weapon ban 10 days before shooting
"In Atlanta in Boulder, Colorado. President Biden wants the Senate to take up Bills, expanding background check requirements and then do even Maura. We could ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has committed the votes on universal background Check legislation. The Senate is not going to hide. Texas Republican Ted Cruz has proposals from Democrats WOn't REDUCE GUN violence, Democrats
Biden Mourns the Deaths of 10 Killed in Colorado Mass Shooting
"Today mourned the deaths of 10 people killed in a mass shooting at a grocery store and Boulder, Colorado yesterday was out to the families of the victims and the survivors. I want to. I want to commend the heroic actions of Officer Eric Tally the father of seven Children who left for work yesterday morning assuming he'd be able to go home. The president called on Congress to tighten the nation's gun laws. The House has passed two bills to require expanded background checks for gun buyers. Senate Majority or Chuck Schumer says he'll bring them to the Senate floor for consideration. Local authorities have announced charges against the gunman constructed of killing 10 People in Boulder. The 21 year old man faces 10 counts of first degree murder as Matt Bloom from member station Kunc reports. Community is reeling from the country's latest mass shooting outside of the store where the shooting took place. Hundreds of residents are paying their respects to the victims. Lang bouquets of flowers at the base of a chain link fence now surrounding the entrance. Local pastor Michael being taped up a sign reading Pray for Boulder. He's worried the pandemic may limit how the community mourns the killings. I think people are confused with, you know, everything falling, loosening up. Come outside, and then this happens. And so people are just locking themselves back up again. So we're here to offer hope? Because this isn't all there is. Motive for the shooting is still unclear, and an investigation is expected to take several days for NPR news. I'm map BLOOM in Boulder. Jury
Biden says "we have to act" on gun control after Boulder shooting
"Biden is pushing Congress today to pass new gun control measures. But proposal so far black sufficient support flags are flying at half staff here at the Capitol to sad Reminder Cove. It is not the only epidemic in our country. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer says the Senate will debate an address gun violence, including taking up a pair of house passed measures expanding background check requirements. This Democratic led Senate Will be different. The Senate is not going to hide. In addition to universal background checks, President Biden is also urging lawmakers to reinstate an assault weapons ban. But not even all Democrats are on board with those proposals, a sure sign any significant legislation with like the 60 votes needed to advance. That's Jared Halpert reporting from Capitol Hill in
Democrats vow vote on gun bills; Biden says 'we have to act'
"After America's second mass shooting in a weak president Biden is calling on Congress to act the president wants lawmakers to boost the nation's background check system and to ban assault rifles along with high capacity magazines this is an American issue and should not be a partisan one though that's exactly what it is on Capitol Hill the Senate is going to debate and address the epidemic of gun violence in this country but Chuck Schumer's Democrats don't have the votes to making the big reforms while GOP chief Mitch McConnell says he's willing to listen to ideas the ones Democrats have so far are perplexing what I'm not attracted to is something that doesn't work Sager make ani Washington
Biden urges Congress to tighten gun laws after another shooting
"President Biden is urging Congress to toughen the nation's gun laws after the Colorado supermarket shooting we have to act the president says lawmakers must in the years of inaction on gun violence and by banning assault rifles and the passing house approved measures to close background check loopholes this is not and should not be a partisan issue on Capitol Hill the Senate will be different democratic leader Chuck Schumer promised a vote on the bills but at a hearing on gun control measures scheduled before the shooting it was clear Republicans are not budging every time there's a shooting we play this ridiculous theater with Ted Cruz saying Democrats each time propose measures that would do nothing to actually stop gun violence Sager mag ani Washington
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
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"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Are going to impact your personal views of do But let's i mean a huge thing that we talk about every single day on all of our calls and preparing for first rate is the future of the republican party. And i'm wondering if the senate takes this up and does not vote to convict the president if this vote is taken and the president is not convicted. I mean there's sort of a like come at the king best not miss piece of this that if that happens what happens to the republican party if vote has been taken and the president once again is you know gets off sort of without facing consequences for what happened on january six and and before that well you know i just. This is interesting i. I'm pretty been digesting our current pol-. So i'm a little in when you start to really look into this. You do realize that i. You know if there's gonna be a split in the republican party it really is between sort of an l. a a smaller elite version of the party right of leadership versus this grassroots. I i think the biggest thing that none of us have fully appreciated is how much trump has changed the party. How much misinformation has changed the party. there is no longer sort of a leadership wing or an intellectual wing. That's anything more than eight to ten percent i. I don't know how this party changes without it. I don't know what the civil war looks like. Inside that artie. If one side has all the people right. I just you know this is it is gonna take. This is where you know to be a little bit. Pollyannish is two ways to look at being elected representative republic. Are you there simply to represent the views of your constituents or did you. Did you believe you're supposed to do what's in the best interest of the country on behalf of your constituents right and and sadly right now. I think the republican party is filled with a whole bunch of folks who believe their job is solely to do what a majority of their party believes should be done and it is the it is almost the were is almost this ever wonder what poll driven politics would look like. This is the ultimate in poll driven politics. Especially when you have a broken information We have a broken information highway. I mean i the amount of people that think this election was not done. Fair and square is astonishing. And it's all because of right wing media. There's no other good. There's no other explanation. It's right wing media president being the president amplifying sure he's the the chief amplifier but there's an entire ecosystem of people who are intentionally bullshitting america because they can make a buck. Meanwhile that group of people influences the primary politics of the republican party. It's it is such a broken con that the gripped whatever you wanna call it but it is. It is now put us put us in a precarious situation. So you know. I applaud liz. Cheney for trying to sort of wrestle this back but this is going to be like wrestling and alligator you know i or crocodile in the in the actual swamp not not on dry land.
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Of course. we wouldn't be here right. I mean that's why impeachments are always complicated. There's always some polit- political motivation. All over the place right. You just don't know fully see it in the minute. i'm so yeah. I mean i. It is hard for me to fathom that but then again can i let me let me take the i i've been moved by casey's reporting about how scarring this event was for the individual members. Right you and i felt right. Yeah right you. And i do not know what it was like to be scooped up off the floor of the way mitch. Mcconnell was scooped up off the senate floor in order to save his life right. And then you hear the hang mike pence. And you hear that. You know. So i i do want to like i said we gave cynicism here in washington we ruminate an none of us know what it was like in that second right and i you know so. And he was physically carried away they were in in such a hurry to evacuate that senate chamber I'd i don't wanna underestimate the mark that that left on him and his colleagues to what who is if we are talking about sort of where the president is going to be Were if we are talking about where the where people think. The influence of president trump is going to be in two years or four years. Who are the senate republicans to watch. I mean there's the obvious folks who have you know who consistently have voiced their displeasure with trump throughout the last four years. But who are the members that if if mitch mcconnell thinks that he's gonna get seventeen votes. Who are the people who would really be a towel. If they start. Start y- making moves that little bit Like there at least ambivalent if not voting to convict. Who's who are the top people. Look look out for. Well i'm very. You know. John cornyn and john thune would be to I think thune is more difficult. Because of how the governor south dakota's become sort of a unofficial out leader of of she wants to be a leader of maga- christie nome right. So that may complicate thune politics. A little bit I in corn corn into somebody. John cornyn and rob portman basically kept powder dry for four years hidden from mainstream media. You know only. Just you know the occasional local media interview. We'll do print quotes every now and then but they've basically run high during the trump era You know they don't like him. You know they think he's harmful because they drop a hint every now and then that they think he's harmful in all of those things but they basically been hiding if they hide less that tells you something You know so when you start to build the the seventeen you know. One of the things i would do is any senator that was there before. Twenty ten is what i would start with right there. I mean look. I already.
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Pretty obvious. You just have to decide as an elected official where you think. This is a political question right now or whether you think. This is a future of the republic question so so kind of build off that. Let's talk about mitch mcconnell because there was this this sort of smoke signal from the mcconnell office indicating that he was sort of pleased with the fact. That house was going ahead with that. Mcconnell's team did not did. Not you know to try to dispel that story than he comes out and says well. I'm undecided and we're not going to call senate back 'til january nineteenth mcconnell's not a guy who does things without thinking through the political consequences. So what signal is he giving to the republicans in his caucus about what they should be taking away from the politics versus this sort of vote of conscience piece of it that you just talked about think you can look at this delay a couple of different ways. You could look at it as mitch. Mcconnell putting an envelope over donald trump's head right would donald trump have ever called for calm yesterday without being impeach with donald trump ever finally repudiated the violence as poorly as repudiated it but even make the attempt without the impeachment and the threat of removal. The fact is the president. We know he fears the threat of not being able to run again. And i bet you. I have no doubt the idea of not. Having a presidential library also is is is is very harmful to his fragile ego. Just like the decision from what we understand is making him. Stu almost more than anything else. So i do think there is a possibility that i would put option. Three on the board and mitch mcconnell. Which is he's not sure what he's going to do but the delay actually serves as a bit of a guardrail on trump. Believe it or not right it might be. We don't know that but it certainly worked yesterday. I'm not going to sit here and say it's gonna work tomorrow but you could make a case that that at least temporarily forced him to admit he's leaving forced him to admit that there shouldn't be violence and things like that i- mcconnell one thing he cares about is party unity. Okay he cares about it. A lot or else elaine chao wouldn't've worked donald trump and all of those things so i view and you always have to say what his whole goal is is transactional any always says. He's thinking about the next election and the fact of the matter is if you if you look at the next election and you look at what happened in georgia..
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"It's unworkable. it's it's it's. It's political the the board that hires the chief of police is basically made up of three that come from the house speaker and senate majority leader And they're not you know they're just not experts that you need to really run a police force of this nature They have set up a incredibly secretive nature. Only in recent years did they ever start releasing arrest updates those a weekly thing My first fulltime reporting job of my first full-time reporting job is in westchester. Pa about forty miles outside center city philadelphia and might. I worked three to midnight and you know every night. Around ten o'clock my job was to call to the police offices and get their daily rest slips of what was happening. This was a long time ago. I'm a little bit older than Some of your podcast listeners. you know and and the capitol. Police has been completely insulated from any type of accountability. And they've never had the. They have not had one press conference. They're building was attacked. A little more than a week ago and the capitol police. Unless i'm blanking on this they. They never held a single press conference to what happened right from the feds but not yes. Yeah so i i. It's just been you know the only time we haven't heard from the capitol police chief chief son was after he. He was forced into resignation and started giving interviews to the washington post and other media outlets That's not exactly a accountability and It just is an organization really needs an overhaul at top. It just how it is run. Structurally right and that's that's one more thing on a to do list for a new congress that is getting longer and longer of course the the big item from this week and a huge political news is of course. The president becoming only the The becoming a impeached. For the second time for the first time in american history. And i wanna talk about the the ten house. Republicans who broke ranks. Because that was that was a big part of this story. Was that unlike in two thousand nineteen. There were house. Republicans who decided that they were going to vote to impeach the president. The number ten especially after liz cheney the third ranking house republican announced that she was going to vote for impeachment. There was a lot of sort of handicapping of how many defections there were going to be. Did that final number of ten republicans. Was that surprising to you. And what do you think it says about the republican party as we move into the next phase of this potentially in the senate It's it's with cheney Out there at ten is probably about right. i think i think she she end adkins anger. Who has been her of cohort of late in anti-trump republicanism inside the congress probably hoped to maybe get fifteen that maybe a little more than fifteen but You know this this house. Republican conference has turned over so much in the last five years And there are so many newcomers one way to think about it is. They've got about two hundred and eleven members right now Half of their caucus never served a day with john bainer as speaker while they have half of them came to office after trump's victory in november two thousand sixteen and and so there's been this generational shift in change inside that conference. And so they you emulate what you see as as victories You know democrats well into the nineties. Bill clinton was still sort of imitating mimicking jfk because he was just viewed as the most accessible democrat of of the latter part of the twentieth century. And so these folks In the house.
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Four. We have an incredible lineup. This season i am honored to bring you a long form interview in two parts with an american hero. Robert de smaller the third. Perhaps you only know. Bob mueller from his role as the special counsel in charge of the investigation of russian interference in the two thousand sixteen election and the report that bears his name. Bob has a long and honorable legacy of service to our nation over half a century. An incredible story we're seeing can happened. Vietnam is to fail as failure is honest with death. Marine corps is entrusted. You as their leader. They look to you. I also sat down with an milgram brilliant and engaging former attorney general of new jersey. it's a huge failure. If police department says to me we did a great job. There was a homicide. We caught someone. That's a failure. The great job is to prevent that homicide john. Jarvis came up through the ranks of the national park service ultimately serving as its director for eight years helping to preserve these magnificent national treasures and to tell our american story. The national park system reflects us. They represent our most extraordinary natural landscapes and our most important moments in history and by protecting them and passing them on to the next generation. We are giving a gift. Mike bush rose through the ranks of the new zealand police over four decades of service to become its commissioner era is that we keep the peace semi prevent offenses against the pace as opposed to the visible presence of fighting crime and fighter pilot. Heather lucky penney. A pioneer one of the first women the flying f sixteen her story about emission. She was ordered to fly on the morning of nine. Eleven is absolutely riveting because we did not have any weapons on board. The only way that we would be able to protect our nation's capital once we found the hijacked airliner would be to ram are jets into the airliner. This would be a suicide kamikaze mission. These leaders demonstrate that decency service and integrity are very much in fashion and vital to our nation. Our democratic institutions are continuously being tested. That's always been true. But are compact holds. Our nation moves forward the promise of the and the people who serve well they are more important than ever before. Join.
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"We choose to. Do the other thing not because they are easy, but because they are odd, hi, this is Chuck Rosenberg host of the oath podcast. I speak with people who sacrificed for the common good who believe in collective responsibility who do things that are hard. Our conversations on the youth are thoughtful, civil, respectful essential. We bring these leaders and their struggles and successes to life in the third season of the oath. You'll meet more inspirational leaders. People who took that oath made that promise and serve this amazing. Amazing country in various ways leaders like former secretary of defense and CIA director Leon Panetta. The toughest job I had as secretary of defense was to sign deployment orders that placed young men and women in uniform in harm's way. Former NASA astronaut Kathy Sullivan in your role as an astronaut. One of the key things you're doing is helping. Make sure the pieces are coming together. The unknowns are being probed carefully. The risks are being evaluated carefully, and it's very hard on families to stand there and. And know that. Their loved one is writing bombs for living the highest ranking woman in the FBI Amy Hess I remember he was kneeling down on the ground, and he was holding a baby's shoe, I knew he had young children, and I watched as he just dissolved in tears, and all of a sudden the evil that happened there in Oklahoma. City on April, Nineteenth nineteen ninety-five struck me former judge and united. States Attorney Carol Lam. When I walked through that door, they would all look at. At me and then I would think to myself. I know what you're thinking about me right now, and by the time we leave this room, you're going to be thinking something else and former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy. There are fundamental core values around decency round kindness around compassion. It's part of our shared humanity. We are truly interdependent. We are stronger when we are together. We live in an uncertain world public faith in our most crucial institutions waivers when we most need those institutions to thrive. But remarkable people still take the oath they still raise their hand serve, and they still sacrifice for the common good, despite the turmoil reminded us of the need for good and honest, public servants join me for season. Three of an MSNBC podcast search for the oath wherever you're listening right now and subscribe new episodes everyone's..
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Covering sonoma. Thanks guys appreciate it states. They having let me pause are punching this there. We'll be right back with chuck Wasserman after quick break. Hey everyone it's true. Mainly MSNBC correspondent and host of the podcast into America Corona viruses infecting and killing black Americans at a disproportionately high rate. A big reason for that air quality industries killing us and on top of that the corona virus killing us so we have double whammy in our latest episode rule going into a stretch of Louisiana along the Mississippi River where many black residents have been suffering from emissions related cancer asthma and other health conditions for decades. We'll find out what one polluted county reveals about the race gap in this pandemic. That's an economic injustice and environmental injustice racial injustice. And then when you add. Health overlaid on top is a house injustice. Subscribe for free. Wherever you your podcast. Welcome back my next guest is. Sas Chuck Cluster is written for a number of publications ranging from ESPN DOT COM esquire magazine. He's authored almost a dozen books. His most recent is raised in captivity. Which I enjoyed mightily might be best described as fictional non fiction and you also have your names on board games. What's that like well? They're not actually board games because there isn't a board well right staring at it in my house here. It's like you know like. Wow what does it take to be turned into a game? Well okay the. The first deck of those cards was called hypotheticals. That was actually somebody else's idea. They were like they went through might other books inbound the hypothetical questions and then put them all together that I wrote like twenty more to fill it out to fifty and that came out. I didn't think anything I would at the time. I think baby five thousand dollars to do it or whatever but those guards have sold like I don't know one hundred fifty thousand decks or something like that so I decided I would at some point. Do another one. I mean. It's not the main thing I do but I so I finished it okay and I was like maybe I should rush this out because people are stuck at home now in this really fun but as it turns out the factory who makes them is in China so I can't. I can't push this lowered anymore than it. It didn't wait default. Well it is. It has made appearances at various adult beverage parties in this household so so I you know I I wanted to have you on because when I listened to your interview with Simmons you know their meandering and what I call a good way And you have this Nimble Mind in you guys obviously spend a Lotta time on sport so I thought I'd try to although you don't you start a conversation about sports and it will go in a bunch of fun direction but if feels like right now. I'm very curious what you're thinking. First of all has your life changed that much. My life has changed totally. I mean it's it's it's strange. I worked at home now for all these years. Whatever you think it would be the same and I suppose my wife and I are probably as well position to deal with like a kind of shelter scenario. Is anyone but you know. My kids are six and four so now. They're home all day and that's well that's you know. My my son is a tough age. It's at minor thirteen and six sixteen so it's a different than you. You know. I'm not complaining all but I will say this. At Age wise it might be about his toughest. It could be because my six year old is a kindergarten. So we're doing that kind of schooling Which is of course difficult and and then the four year old. She needs a lot of sort of attention. She can't really do things just by yourself for long stretches of time so basically what I do now is I get up at about five thirty or six. I go out to my writing cabinet. Try to work as much as I can. Till ten thirty or eleven. My wife handles the kids then then I come back inside. She gets time to herself I've watched the kids kind of in the afternoon and then pretty soon it's five o'clock in making dinner and then we're watching. Tv than the days over so like all these people like yours like. Oh I have watching the entire twilight zone series or whatever. I'm not doing anything like that like I have. I have barely watched anything on television. I've had no time to read anything that was related to what I was working on a book wise. I see maybe one or two movies I I I. I am much busier now. Then I am in normal. What's if that makes any sense it does? I'm guessing bedtime a single most important time of the day for you and your wife like you can't wait until they get put to bed. We'll Sherman say eight thirty nine. I got it like I Kinda WanNa read the news for an hour so now it's nine thirty and if I'm getting up at five thirty or six mechanised stay up that late and I'm tired of so yeah of course what you're saying is true. It's just a very strange experience. I mean it's like we have all the modern technology and yet in many ways life is like the late nineteenth century. Well because it's like our family is our whole world. It I go out. I leave to get food once a week. That's it it's your described other than doing. I say my day is filled with either being on MSNBC or doing a conference call about doing an hour of programming on MSNBC And then once a week I go to the GROCERY STORE. But it's funny you bring that up about a there's part of me that like wonders. How are we going to think about this with our own families in twenty years when we come back and look back on it as this boy remember or that was something else than you remember when dad had to do this or mom was doing this and is remembered with this we got through it or is it much of it will depend our memory of it much of it will depend on how we get through if it will it? Become this sort of sense of what we all. Did this tour together. Well I do. Suspect in enemy This is assuming that Things don't get exponentially worse which is possible. I just don't think that will happen. But who knows but let say as a mystically optimistic about. I do suspect in ten or twelve years. One of the most common kind of essays. You're GONNA see in various media. Publications are people who have kids now in their late teens early twenties and they're going to express this kind of constructiveness. Stahl Japan this period when their kids were small and they were still really close and they had this sort of relationship which frankly rarely happens. family anymore. I mean the idea of of like a a the entire family being this intertwined this much of the time I mean. It's definitely deepening. My relationship with my kids because already read the end and it is also making me realize that maybe for the first time in my life. I'm actually bearing because it's not like it's not like a ninety minutes in the morning two hours at night and the weekends it all the time and and you know it's a it's it's incredibly hard you know. I think somebody made this joke. I think is a very true? The like you'll there was the initial idea that like there's going to be this baby-boom in nine months which is going to be all these kids coming up and that might be true but it's only going to be people having their first kid beg you. I would say that it's like it's nobody that already has ended. Misano way I type. That same conversation was buddied. Now I've just confessed publicly totally agree. Three rates are GONNA go up the birth rate for people that aren't married. You know basically people that decided to cohabitate for the pandemic and then all of a sudden here they are right and then maybe we'll get married so it'll be a lot of that is up divorce rates and the second child birth rates will go down. I that seems very like all things seem very likely in the in. The theme of sort of unintended consequences today happens to be the fit. Where we're doing this interview on the Fiftieth Anniversary Birthday. And if you asked Environmental activists six months ago about what their plans were. For the Fiftieth Anniversary Hampshire. There was like a million plants. I'm sure there was unearthed. Three or in another time loop. This is a huge day of climate activism and yet the pandemic has painted a picture of of how humankind impacts the environment. Like no other picture we could have ever had painted true. So are you said like what is it. I don't know is there a questionnaire I'm asking do? Does this end the debate on climate? Change about me about humankind's impact on it and then move. Listen to a different part of this debate. Like it's something that. I've wondered watching this that will now. It's nobody can deny we don't have an impact on this. I mean I nobody can could. People denied the percentage of carbon dioxide. That was in the air before they. It's like they still did you of what what I think that I keep coming inside like the practical day-to-day things looking at all the charts. And seeing what's happening I was thinking about okay say Would y two K was happening. Okay Pad okay. So that's the catastrophe that never occurred. Basically we had all this sort of attention around it and then you the impact was real small and the question became like well was the things that we did to fix this. The reason that didn't happen was never going to happen regardless but I was thinking about was that seems to me one of the earlier signs of how the interconnection of the world has the kind of paradoxical effect of making it much more fragile and I just put climate change in this. You can put the pandemic in this. You can put any sort of technological issue in this. It does seem to me that The sort of advances that we're making as a society which are for the most part positive people's lives amplifying the risk of this sort of kind of domino affecting collapse. I mean although I never read the you're actually making me. Think if you look. You're you're right compared to the compared the now the one thousand nine hundred and that pandemic sure we weren't as globally interconnected so you didn't have the entire economy shutting down at the same time it just. It's so it just so I mean if somebody had told me three months ago that this pandemic was going to happen. I'd be like well. I guess it was always possible right and then they said okay. Also every country's GonNa shut down. I would have been like that won't happen though people won't be able to do that so I've been. I have been surprised that says works as well as done. I live in Portland here. People really take it seriously. Man I don't I I. I realized that everything about the Pacific northwest is kind of skewed from the rest of the country and a lot of ways. Ideologically like people really take it seriously here. In a way that I would have thought was impossible. I didn't think that would happen. So you know I. It's it's a now now moving into this new phase where game opening up the country. It seems like a terrible idea. But you know what it's like. There is no good idea. Like I don't know what's the alternative? The only alternative idea I've heard is figuring out how to make up people's incomes for six months. Will they actually altered it? But there's only you know how much money do you keep? Printing would also be people's understanding of this seems even though all the all anyone's doing is reading about this it seems as though some of the perception is the become ill like the Jews. This idea I think I see. Some people expressing like we need to to to not opened up the country. We just need to wait this out as they've convinced themselves. If enough time passes somehow the buyers will pass and enlists. There's this vaccine that does not seem plausible. It's like everyone's still gonNa have to probably be exposed to this. You know what we're doing this to for that the infrastructure of the of the medical industry that makes sense. We gotta do that but like I don't. I am not sure what the what the solution to this. Besides just making me experience happened either really quickly a moderate amount of time or over very long or missing something. Obviously I know I. I'm with you I don't understand I don't I don't this is where I think the lack of leadership that we're getting the just. Nobody's being honest about this right. So the president continues to try to sort of. Oh it's going to pass it's going to pass and I actually think this honestly and I've thought about this.
"chuck" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg
"Hi everyone this is Chuck Rosenberg most important. I I hope this message finds you and your family and friends well. This pandemic as you know is hit communities big and small throughout the United States and around the world the number of people who have died or who are suffering from this awful disease is absolutely heartbreaking but together. I think we're making a difference. Thank you so much for heating the advice. Public Health officials listen to the doctors. Listen to the scientists listened to the epidemiologists following their guidance helps to slow the spread of this dangerous virus and keep everybody safe. We have a collective responsibility to each other. You know that and the duty to try to ease the burden on healthcare workers and on first responders. Many of you have written to ask whether the oath is returning. Will there be a third season. Yes absolutely we are coming back in fact. We were working on a terrific third season. When the physical distancing protocols kicked in so we have slowed production for instance no face to face interviews for now but we have not stopped our work. We finished the few third season interviews. And I think they're wonderful. We have more to complete of course when we begin to publish these interviews again. Hopefully in early June. I think you're going to truly enjoy our guests. We have a great lineup. For our third season those guests include Leon. Panetta the former Secretary of defense and director of the CIA and Kathy Sullivan. A former astronaut. And the first. Us woman to walk in space the Vet Murphy. The former surgeon general of the United States and many many more we have additional great guests lined up and some wonderful surprises. So I hope you'll be patient with us. We are coming back. I also want to say thanks to all of you. During the last two seasons I have received thousands of emails from you and I have read reviews and comments on the various platforms. That you use to listen to the oath. You told me that this podcast has reinforced a rekindled in you a sense of faith and trust our government and in the men and women who worked so diligently to protect and serve this wonderful nation. That is incredibly heartening. You've also sent.
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"Declare war Because they think in part they realized that it was the executive who had the ability to make war And that that and I think more properly coincided with this commander in chief title that the framers gave the president but this is an ongoing debate. And like I said earlier it's GonNa go on long after Donald Trump Is Out of office there. There's another element to all this too. We talk about here As well and that is how the public is processing all of this right now. Their reaction to everything There was a survey last year. Actually it's two years ago now. I forgot that it's now twenty. Twenty two thousand eighteen survey From Georgetown University versity that looked at Americans in their trust in institutions and it actually found there was pretty strong trust in a private company in Amazon But there was very little trust when it came to the executive branch came to the presidency When it came to Congress for that matter probably should acknowledge also very little trust trust when it came to the media? I I wonder listening to you. Describe the oath of office that you took how Salam the occasion felt to you how meaningful it felt to you. Do you sense as the public watches all of this that there is a cynicism that has taken hold that affects the actions of our you leaders. I think that's a fair way to think about it Steve. You know I've always said skepticism is fine and fact skepticism healthy. Cynicism I think is corrosive of and there seems to be a cynicism settling in as really ashamed because those institutions that you just mentioned right the institutions of government and the media via Are Among the most important institutions in the United States. They've kept US safe. They've made sure that we have equal. And Civil Rights enforce the law. They conduct intelligence. They operate the courts. These are some of the most important things we do as a society and for us to lose trust in those institutions Russians for that cynicism to sort of take hold at sad I think it may be deeply unfortunate and I think it can be highly corrosive and I worry About that Chuck Rosenberg. You've made our first crossover episode here in the MSNBC podcasting world a success. Thank you so much for joining us. Oh It's my pleasure. Thank you for having the Senate Majority Leader Mitch. McConnell and minority leader Chuck Schumer both addressed impeachment on the Senate floor today. Senator McConnell argued that the structure of the Senate trial should follow the same format. It was used for president. Clinton's impeachment trial just like twenty years ago. We should address mid-trial questions such as witnesses after opening arguments Sarah questions and other relevant motions there is. Senator Schumer responded. I just heard leader McConnell. Speak for thirty minutes on the subject of the president's impeachment went there was a lot of finger pointing name calling and misreading of history but not a single argument or discussion about the issue. And that's holding up a Senate trial whether there will be witnesses and documents not one mention. He has no good argument against having witnesses and documents so he resorts to these subterfuges. There doesn't seem to be much agreement there. We will see what happens when the full Senate is back in session on on January. Sixth but in the meantime if you want to know more about how the Senate trial might play out. Check out this past. Monday's episode of article two from earlier. This week article. Two inside impeachment is produced by Isabel. Angel Max Jacobs Claire by Aaron Dolan Preseve Orthon Alison Bailey. Adam Adam to Boa and Barbara. Wrap our executive producer is Ellen Franklin Steve Ties the executive producer of audio on Steve. Kornacki will be back on Monday..
"chuck" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg
"A whether or not it's impeachable and whether or not he'll be removed moved again is a political judgement that the senators will make in. There's a point that the president has made in other contexts as well specifically. I think the molar report and in the conversation around. But it's also something that Democrats have referred back to During the impeachment drama in that is the president talking about article two of the Constitution giving him the breadth of power. He has basically allowing him to do just about anything. Also take a look at one other thing. It's a think world's else article too. Nobody ever mentions article too. It gives me all of these right at a level that nobody has ever seen before. We don't even talk about article article. It's an argument. The president has made those powers those article to powers. How do you interpret the limits on them given what's in the constitution article two does confer broad powers on the president but certainly not unlimited? Let me just give you an example. Steve no question that the president has the authority in fact the constitutional authority to grant pardons or to nominate men and women to serve as federal judges or ambassadors. But I don't think anyone believes that that power power is unlimited meaning for instance if he wanted to make Steve Kornacki The United States Ambassador to France. Fine have at it. That's great But he couldn't and do it in return for a five million dollar cash payment that would be corrupt and so whatever. The contours are of presidents power under article two of the Constitution. Shutian as commander in chief or to exercise pardon authority or denominate men and women to the Federal Bench. It has to at least be constrained By the notion that you cannot act corruptly and it's also balanced by other powers that you find in the constitution ascribe to other branches of government. And there's always a fight over that by either way between the legislative branch and the executive branch often with the judicial branch. You know trying to weigh in and Determine the contours of that authority but it is absolutely absolutely not unlimited For the record I would decline the nomination to be ambassador to France. Too much travel for me. I'd hold that for Canada. I think I could probably handle. Oh that one let me follow up on that though because I think that you raise an interesting hypothetical there you're painting a scenario where okay five million bucks in cash. President gives out an an appointment clear clear corruption there but it does point to some pretty significant grey areas. Here doesn't it thinking of not five million bucks give into a president by an individual but five million bucks given to the campaign given to organizations supporting the campaign. That seems common when we talk about Ambassadorial appointments other appointments. It's in government. It seems to be a gray area there. Well look. I think you're right. I think all this behavior that we're talking about is on a spectrum from surely innocent to purely corrupt and the example. That you've just drawn I think is a great one steve. Because it shows you that it's not always easy to determine You know the difference between Corrupt Behavior And behavior that we think of as unseemly and behavior. That's perfectly okay in the eyes of just about anybody right. It's all on a spectrum but but You know the example. I use the five million dollar cash payment to make you ambassador to France even if you would turn it. Down is clearly clearly corrupt. An article article two cannot possibly be read. Not by any sane person to permit that you know where it really comes into play the article to authorities of the President and and the contest with Congress over whether or not it's legitimate is in the power as commander in chief right to make war to launch airstrikes to sending troops hotly debated During World War Two in the Korean War the Supreme Court granting a lot of authority to Franklin Delano Roosevelt With his article to Commander in chief hat on But actually restricting Harry Truman in some important ways when he tried to exercise similar powers during the Korean Rian War so this is a long standing debate it will go on well beyond the presidency of Donald J trump. We're GONNA take a quick break chuck but stick with with us. 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA be right back. Pay Everyone Steve Kornacki here I wanNa tell you about an NBC news podcast. I'm hosting uncalled article. Two inside impeachment. It's exclusively dedicated to bringing you the latest developments on the impeachment of president trump. I talked to NBC News reporters who are closest to the story to break down. What's new? What matters what it means for the twenty twenty election and our country new episodes drop every Monday Wednesday and Friday search? Now wherever you're listening to this podcast subscribe for free. Willie geist here this week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. I sit down with rapper. Actress Comedian Aquafina Vena to talk about her huge year with roles in crazy rich Asians and oceans eight. The podcast now for free wherever you download yours. I WanNa talk about how the idea oaths has played out in other impeach. We don't have many examples from the past but we do have one we reference it here frequently Bill Clinton and in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight nine hundred ninety nine back then. With Bill Clinton. He was impeached. One of the charges. It was perjury. It was that he had lied to a federal grand jury about an extramarital affair with Monica Lewinsky. Henry Hyde the judiciary committee chairman back then Republican from Illinois. He made the case back then. That Clinton had violated waited the oath that he took when he gave that testimony with the office of the president of the United States. The personal fate of the president is not the issue. The political fate of his party is not the issue. The Dow Jones Industrial Average is not the issue. The issue is perjury lying under growth that oath constituted a compact between the president. The American people that compact has been broken. The People's trust has been betrayed. It's interesting to look at. How oath were invoked back then chuck into remember that certainly in in public opinion and as it turned out in the Senate that argument we did not carry the day back then? No it didn't You know sometimes where you stand depends on where you sit. And you're seeing some of the arguments advanced today by Republicans Skins Echo eerily arguments advanced back then By Democrats when Bill Clinton was president. What's disappointing to me? Is that the president's conduct president trump's conduct seems to be Very much like what. The Muller team found with respect to Russian interference in our twenty sixteen election by that. I mean an attempt by president trump to get Ukraine to interfere in the twenty twenty election and that goes to the heart of the president's public conduct or if you will misconduct. I don't in any way condone. What Clinton did I thought his behavior was awful? Awful and lying under oath is not something I would have tolerated as a federal prosecutor. In fact I prosecuted people for doing exactly that but Clinton's misconduct act Didn't go to the heart of our electoral system as bad as it was again. I don't condone it in any way. It didn't go to the very fabric of our electoral taurel system. And that's what's so dangerous about President Trump's behavior now senators can decide whether or not that's impeachable. They ought to decide it in in a fair and impartial way. That may just not be happening. There's also we mentioned Clinton there's another parallel here with where the news is right now in in an where. It was back during his impeachment as Bill Clinton was impeached by the House. In December nineteen ninety eight. He launched Operation Desert Fox airstrikes in Iraq Iraq. Their purpose is to protect the national interest of the United States and indeed the interests of people throughout the Middle East and around the world now now two decades later we've got pending Senate trial and military action the president authorizing military action drone strike. That killed the Kassam Sulamani. Top Top arrhenius general. We took action last night to stop a war. We did not take action to start a war. Flinty of Democrats out there right now saying the president had an obligation to consult Congress on this that he couldn't and shouldn't be doing this unilaterally You've got Republicans out there A saying he had the right to do that. He's got the the right. Under the two thousand one and two thousand to a military authorizations in the wake of nine eleven that Congress never pulled back in and I and therefore citing an imminent threat from terrorist he can he can authorize it. I'm curious what what would you make. Yes so this. Is that age old debate Under Article One of the Constitution Congress has the authority to declare war and also to appropriate money for the Department of Defense for our Armed Services under article Michael to the Constitution. The president is the commander in chief and when I referenced earlier you know what. The Supreme Court did with respect to Presidents Roosevelt giving him free rain or largely free rein and how the Supreme Court sort of restrained or reigned in President Truman. That goes to the very heart of this question. In fact when the framers were considering that power of Congress to declare war one of the debates they had in the constitutional convention mentioned was whether Congress could make war or declare war and they settled on.
"chuck" Discussed on The Oath with Chuck Rosenberg
"Chief Justice of the United States John G Roberts Jr. who'll administer the presidential oath office everyone please stand from NBC news this article too inside. Impeachment Steve Kornacki. Today is Friday January. Third please raise your right hand and repeat after me I Donald John Trump do solemnly swear I donald John trump wipe flab solemnly swear solemnly swear the presidential oath of office article two section. One of the constitution requires that every president elect complete complete at thirty five word oath before taking office that I will faithfully execute faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and I will faithfully fully execute the office of President of the United States the office of President of the United States article two of the Constitution also outlines impeachment impeachment situation. We find ourselves in today as the forty fifth president of the United States. Donald Trump faces potential removal from office. You'll do not uphold in your oath of office. Well I will tell you this I will uphold mind I will vote to impeach Donald Trump. Nobody ever mentions article article then. I have an article to where I have the right to do. Whatever I want does president but I don't even talk about that that's not what our founders owners had nine that's a president king? That's not what we're about here. So what did the founders have in mind and will to the best of my ability. The ability preserve protect and defend Deepak protect and defend deserve protect and the constitution of the United States Irvine protect and defend the constitution of the United States. Constitution of the United States will help you God so help me God today. Article too will explore the oath of the highest office. And what happens when it's tested. Chuck Chuck Rosenberg served as a career. Federal Prosecutor in later as the United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. He has also served in senior positions at the Department of Justice in the FBI BI and as the head of the Drug Enforcement Administration Chuck is currently in MSNBC contributor. End the host of the PODCAST. The Oath Shock. You've got a resume that puts us all certainly only meat ashamed but welcome. Thank you for being here. I think the only thing that proves Steve is. I can't keep a job okay. Well that's one way of looking at it I guess The theme today a oaths the theme of your podcast. Obviously I'm curious. Every four years we watch the president of the United States. Take the oath of office from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. If if we serve on a jury we maybe we'd been sworn in as a juror. Maybe we've seen a witness sworn in on a in a movie about a courtroom scene we've seen oaths and I think at least again against speaking from my own experience that they often seem very sort of ceremonial formulaic. I I wonder about your experience. You've taken I think ten oaths In in positions of high public trust. What is your experience like being administered one of those oaths and is it something that lingers with you once? It's an office But what are the mean to you. Yeah I I have taken it I think ten times. I've also administered Steve. Perhaps hundreds of times. I'm most recently when I ran the. Da To new special agents to new diversion. Investigators to new intelligence analysts and two chemists And I gotTa tell you it is is a very solemn moment it may seem formulaic But it's not and something that stays with you and stayed with me all of my professional life. I remember number where I took it. I remember who administered it And I remember thinking this is a big deal can you think of one of those Maybe the first time what what that experience was like. Take us back to it very first time. I was a new graduate from the University of Virginia Law School. I had joined the Department of Justice through the attorney. General's Honors Program And with a group of ten or twelve brand new colleagues in a small conference room on the fourth floor at the Department of Justice The Assistant Attorney General At the time Shirley early Peterson swore Sahlin. I'll never forget it but I also remember Taking the oath when I became. US Attorney both in Virginia and Texas. I remember Bob Muller administering the oath to me when I returned to the FBI in two thousand and thirteen is he was just finishing his twelfth year as director. It's like I said a solemn moment and it stays with you. Do the words come to you at at critical moments when you have a decision to make when you face a dilemma. Emma at all are you. Are you thinking back to the words. Well I don't know that I ever sat down and said you know this is tough decision that I have to make. Let me pull out the oath oath and read it again. I mean it's what you really making is a promise to be diligent to be faithful to the constitution and to the rule of law. But I'm hoping for people who are drawn to this type of work that they don't need an oath to remind them of the importance the sanctity of the positions that they hold that this is who and in what they are and the oath is really a way of reaffirming that publicly. So let's talk about the oath in the context of this impeachment drama. The oath the president of the United States. I mentioned every four years January twentieth. We all watch on television. A new president or reelected president puts his hand so far some they'll ib. I be a her hand on. The Bible takes the oath of office from the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Talk about the contents of that oath. I think we all know no the words but what do they mean while. Interestingly Steve The oath that the president takes upon assuming office is the only oath in which the Constitution specifies the precise words that have to be used That's not true for the oath. I took it's not true for the oath that members of the House or Senate take only for the president and it's really rather simple. It's three dozen or so words. It's not extensive. It's not detailed. It's not specific. It's very sort of high minded. Its promise to faithfully execute the job and to preserve protect and defend the constitution of the United States. I think by design It's is not specific. We expect a lot from our president's Some of them have lived up to the promise. Some of them have not yet so in this current moment. You've got. The United States has been impeached. Democrats say he has violated his oath of office. It's a broad oath. Does that make it difficult for Democrats to make an argument or for anyone to make an argument about any president that they violated their oath. Sure because it's really not a legal promise as much as a moral I promise That presidents are making when they take that oath and so what may appear to be You know a violation of that oath to one person may not be a violation elation to another these are political judgments that members of Congress will make about this president or other presidents whether he has Committed high crimes crimes or misdemeanors whether he should be removed from office upon trial in the Senate. These are in the end political judgments. What the president promises to do when he takes the growth and what senators are assessing? Now are really much more in the realm of political judgments. We're all very familiar. Obviously with the basic the case that Democrats have made against trump. The idea that he for a period held up aid to Ukraine that the purpose of holding up that aid was was to try to get Ukraine to launch an investigation or at least to announce launching an investigation into Joe Biden. The argument that that is a violation of the oath where is is the violation of the words in the oath there right well it would be arguably that he didn't faithfully execute the laws of the United States that he didn't preserve protect protect and defend the constitution again. It is not necessarily a crime that the house has to prove that the Senate has to judge its conduct conduct now the conduct could be criminal but the founders were reasonably clear at least if when we think about what they were drawing on when they formulated our the constitution and came up with the phrase high crimes or misdemeanors to describe one way in which a president could be removed from office. High crimes and misdemeanors didn't didn't mean criminal conduct per se. It meant public misconduct. And what you just described Steve. What the president did with respect to Ukraine to try to to get it to at least announced an investigation of a political opponent? I think clearly constitutes misconduct..
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"You say that because we are in a gap if you will, of senators particular, with military service, the ones that haven't mostly national guard, not to say that national guard services, not it wasn't fulltime military service. It's a little bit different. We don't have it used to be the Vietnam veterans. Even if they were on both sides, the out, they hung together when it was necessary. The war veterans hung together when it was necessary in general. They did those guys are gone. I don't think we have a single Vietnam veteran left, if I'm not mistaken on the Senate side. Right now, I think McCain might have been. Did you did you always feel? It was a lot easier explaining what you were doing to somebody who is a veteran than to allow maker, who didn't know military service, this may surprise you. But I remember one time I was doing, I think it was a house testimony. And one of the members asked me, you know, what, would, you know I like to see more from congress. I said, I'd like more visits. I said, I loved the congressional delegations, in the staff allegations that came over to Iraq and Afghanistan and you know, it, it always, you know, kind of causes your day to get a little chaotic when the senators congressman show up. But I will tell you every single on both sides, which show up, they wanted to know what the troops needed what was best for the troops. You saw this kind of great collegial atmosphere, when they were in Iraq and Afghanistan because they really seem to put their party differences, aside, when they were when they were spending time with the troops that came, they asked good questions. We spent a lot of time together. I probably did dozens. And dozens of co Dell's and staff Dell's. And I would have done more because it was great to educate them. I'll tell you. They always seemed interested in learning even if they didn't have any military background. So today is the, the wars, and obviously the war and Afghanstan still going on. We're we still have troops in Iraq. I think is good for these members pick through the new members to get out talk to the troops. See what the issues Arlen ground. I mean, these are these are smart members and I think they just need to spend more time with the troops. I don't think you have to have military experience when you when we cut Saddam Hussein. Did you think fifteen years later, we'd still be debating how many troops you should have in Iraq? No. Absolutely not. When I first arrived in Iraq, which was. October of two thousand and three I was turning over with the with one of the officers there. And I mean, we had just by C one thirty. We'd had to do the spiraled down, you know, to avoid potential surface air fire and we land in, in Baghdad. And there's a sensitive warzone and the guy relieving and says, hey, you know, there's a some pretty good restaurants in downtown Baghdad if I'm thinking what still because you know we thought in October that, that the war was just about over. Within a week, all of a sudden, we were getting ambushed on route Irish and everything changed. So no. We certainly didn't think an and after the capture of Saddam Hussein, we were hopeful I think that the what was now a burgeoning insurgency would die out. And we would resolve this thing for, for both, you know, the US infra rack, how do you fall in order that you don't agree with. So it depends on the, the only criteria for the military is, is it a lawful order? I understand that. But it lets you disagree with the policy. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pretend to know where you were in Iraq. Or, or maybe post-iraq one could argue there was a lot more unity about the beginning. And then nobody there really wasn't enough of a plan and let me ask it this way. The first rule supposedly of military engagement is no how you're going to end it. Did we know how we were going to end a rack and it we did we go before we knew how we're gonna end it. I would say actually, the first rule of the military is you do follow orders. And, and at the end of the day, you know, the, the warriors in the military soldier, say it was airmen marines their first allegiances to the United States. So if they get a lawful order to Iraq, go to Afghantistan, they are gonna pull together and do their job, and they're not going to spend a lot of time asking whether or not it was the right thing, the wrong thing, the senior military officers will have conversations all the time with policymakers to talk about strategies to talk about. Hey, if you're going to go into Iraq, we'd better have a plan to get out, but the soldiers that do all the hard work, they come prepared to do the nation's bidding and hope and hoping that the leaders have put him in a position to be successful. You know, you don't spend a lot of time when you're on the ground, you know, thinking about I don't think the soldiers do will, you know, at the end of the day is politically, the right thing cheerleader, how let me ask it this way. What's the most effective way for somebody in your in what the positions that you've held what's the most effective way to disagree with the commander in chief without being insubordinate actually in, in my time, certainly is a senior officer with both Bush administration and the Obama administration. One of the great things about this. Military is you can have these discussions, you can have these arguments. I will tell you within the sets that tone is at the defense. Secretary of the chiefs who sets the tone read question in, in my case. I would tell you it was secretary of defense and the chairman of the joint chiefs. And again, I was fortunate to work for apple McMullen, who was the chairman for most of the time when I was a senior gates Mullen Panetta you had some good. Did the best of both sides and exactly. Right. And I will also Marty Dempsey through was the chairman my last couple years. And I'll tell you what they allowed you to do is a senior officer. You could come in. You could sit around the table, which I did a number times and said, I don't agree. Why are we doing this, and you could have pretty heated discussions? But at the end of the day, we all knew we were trying to do what was right for the country. And if the decision was made to do X than you saluted, smartly, and you moved out, but you had an opportunity to voice, your concerns, and then on many occasions, we would go over to the White House. And you had an opportunity to talk to the president as a senior leader, and a voice, your concerns, or the president would come to the Pentagon. So again, I think the great thing about the civil military relationship that I am familiar with in my time as a senior officer was that you could have this great good, give and take and not feel that it would somehow stunt your career because you are not in agreement with. The chairman of the secretary or the president. Look this president makes it very hard to disagree them. It does you have not had to serve with them. I mean, look, he's stripped, he wanted to strip the security clearances that some former officials and you said, hey strip mine, too. And I understand that solidarity. Do you think you could have thrived under a circumstance where you couldn't disagree with the community? Yeah. Again, go back to depends on who the secretary of defense. And the chairman news. Having worked for Bush and Obama. I didn't agree with either one of those guys on a lot of things, but they were men of great integrity, and great character. And I always felt they were doing what was right as you know, that in the moment, or is this one of those things you've reflected, I knew at the moment. Okay. Oh, absolutely. You know, you spend a few minutes with them. And I think you understand the character of the individual. But it kind of back to back to the point, you know, having the secretary of defense, and again, I was fortunate to have gates Panetta. And Chuck Hagel as well. Great folks, that you could have conversations with, and they would carry the mail, along with the chairman to the president, and they didn't all of those guys had been comfortable disagreeing with their own party leaders. So they raid, if you think about their own careers. Whether it's illegal, whether it's been Atta, whether it's gates on this front when, when you. Are you at all worried that the military is getting politicized that there is this perception, that the left is not military friendly and only the right is more military friendly, you know, and it and it some of it the president tries to feed that idea, are you worried that it's actually taking hold? I'm not as much worried about the military, I'm more worried about the other institutions. I'm worried about, you know, the FBI I'm worried about the intelligence community. I'm more worried about them than I am about the military. There was a point in time. And I was talking to somebody just last night, the fundamentally changed everything about the American people's relationship with military and it was during, you know, the, the first during desert shield Desert Storm. Somebody had a bumper sticker that said, I support the troops. And that, and that started in Desert Storm, and the reason that was a CJ was because you could support the troops without supporting the policy. So now what you find with the American people is, whether they agreed of us going into Iraq or Afghanistan or they agree. Whether or not, you know, we're building up in the Middle, East doesn't make a difference. They understand that this is not the troops decision that this is a political decision by the leaders that were elected, and they can still support the troops, so you see strong support from the left and the right. And I think that's incredibly important for the country. Do you worry though, that it's made it harder actually criticize the military? James Fallah's wrote a whole piece about this that he, we're, we're so because we're so when I would call thirsty to be United about anything that the one thing that unites us is we go to the football games, we salute this, we salute that we've put these folks on pedestals that no individual can live up to, and therefore we become fearful of even criticize. I think that's a fair concern. I mean, the fact of matter is are far from perfect in the military, man. We have bad apples in the military. But the one thing that we know how to do is hold people accountable. So when somebody makes mistake when they are not in there are three litmus test of being in the military your decisions have to be moral legal and ethical, and if they are not moral legal and ethical, and you do something wrong, you will be held accountable, or you should be held accountable, no offense that should be the first three rules of any jazz. I'm sorry. Three. It's, it's frustration journalism is my frustration in politics. It's. Situational ethics situational morality. I mean, our, our political problems of today, almost all are due to what I call situational ethics agree. My, my only point was my time in the military that was a litmus test for every decision. I made was wasn't moral legal and ethical, so. People have teased about the idea that caught if anybody could we need somebody to bring the country together, somebody who's not tarnished by politics. Maybe it's a guy like Bill mcraven. Maybe it's a guy like David portrays before, then, and I was like he's not running for president. And then I thought he admitted to being the guy that took the shoes off..
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"The penalty down the road if they choose not to do this. I think is just so greater to the branch. That's the that's the debate it's fat the real debate here. This is this is not, I think, politically, by the way. If the roles were reversed, the House Republican peach men are they wouldn't have waited for Muller's new statement? They articles that have been drawn up, right, Paul? Yes. I think their, their last eight years in majority show this stuff the way Democrats do. What? Because they have the because of the way districts are drawn the overwhelming majority and my mean like eighty five percent of house. Republicans have always feared their voters I their own conservative voters. I it just even after the, the white bout of two thousand eighteen they still fear their own verdict voters, I and would go toward a conservative instinct, rather than a general election mode. It's just how they have acted. And, you know, I mean that was what Tom DeLay did. Twenty one years ago delay became the after the disastrous, ninety eight midterms delay became the driver of the impeachment of Clinton even though by then it was pretty clear. What was going to happen, a hung jury in the Senate? But delay thought it was the right primary base move that was a political decision. We're saying is that it's well I mean, right. No matter what this is going to feel like you know, you could sit here and say it's a short term, politic. Decision or long-term political decision guy, thought just in a mosh, I think he, he paints, the dilemma, an interesting way considering our times. He says he said, this is townhall. If you have a society, where we all where all we care about, is that the other side is bad, and therefore, we don't have to do the right thing that society will break down, and you will have no liberty. It is, this is the subsidy of our argument about why if a president broke the law, you have to hold them accountable. You can choose to acquit him, but he should have to go through the pain of defending himself in defending this. And that to me is the is the if you're a true constitutionalist, that is only position you can have, and he's a Republican, right? Which you haven't found any Democrats were, but he's been consistent in this gas. He is a small constitutionalist of sorts. Who's a strict reader of the guns to more so than most most many libertarians are, but he's basically saying if you had all believe in the constitution is sort of in limited government, all of these things, you sort of had no choice but to put him through the process. It doesn't mean you throw him out of office. It's that is an and yet, that's not the sort of lens that most Democrats are looking at this throw, which is where you get tied up into. All the different problem. And part of it is that, you know, we're now at this place this point in time. And the Democrats have not made a case like that, for the public, it's a very like it's kind of, it's not a very sexy case is hate to the public about why you want to do this. It's very cerebral. And you know, it's kind of you have to presume baseline of believing in certain. And that's all these things. But you had sex was the basis of the other, which is that was construction. There was a very kind of much easier sell in terms of making it making a case for it. Whereas this is, you know, this is you have to get people to really care about things that are going to happen. You know, institutions and things that'll have what is going to look like in ten twenty thirty years from now, and that's, that's just hard. Let's go to the logistics, Paul. Let's say Democrats are moving down this road. The president, I think might might decide to say, okay, we've got a debt ceiling. Let's complete a lot of things here. Vicki what do you think that this will just we already knew it was going to be pretty hard to figure out how the debt ceiling was going, get raised the budget caps are going to get resolved, all of those things, we know the, the president already has decided to throw the investigations into congressional negotiations? I can imagine. Debating impeachment helps he, he made that clear he came out after basically throwing the democratic leadership out of the White House last week on a meeting about infrastructure. He came out and in rose garden, basically said, we can't do can't to tracks. We can't do investigative and legislative track now, I, I ran around the capital that would at the moment that happened saying, wait to see mean, everything is there been the all clear from Susan Collins to John thune said, no, we think he just means on infrastructure. But yet, if they formally vote to open an impeachment inquiry, which is what you have to do to do that, you would have a full house vote, like they did in nineteen ninety eight if they do that, it does get it does get tricky, because they need to do things to keep the, the federal government from defaulting on a twenty one twenty two trillion in debt and keep the government open and running. But if he's, I mean, he's mostly talking. Things that weren't going to get done anyways, and these other things I mean, you know, although I guess, the disaster relief Bill, for instance is, maybe not a good indicator of how things are going to go if they with, with the must do things that they have to debt. Raising the debt limit. What? Paul. What is it gaining by by just waiting for everybody to come back and vote on it other than making it a tiny bit harder for David produce reelection. There are I'm sorry if I if I were David pretty I'd be really myself, I think, there are about a half dozen House Republicans that are like the Japanese fighters on remote Philippine islands ten years after World War, Two and maybe. Yeah. This cruise. But he would do it to Cornyn. What we're supposed to find here. Basically chip ROY Thomas Massie of Kentucky. They're the ones who are objecting to just passing Kentucky. Mitch McConnell, I, yeah, I just find it interesting. It's a lawmaker John Cornyn state and a lawmaker and Mitch McConnell state. These aren't chumps I know I know. But again, they're still fighting as if they control congress as if they have the majority, and they're going to come back and they'll lose the vote, probably the only be about two or three dozen who vote against this if the numb. Numbers of may of shrunk because now people don't they feel like they've been suddenly, wait a minute. You made this no vote that which more famous. Yeah, yeah, but, you know, look, if this is to Carol's point, if this is what it's like trying to get disaster relief through, but the Hex impeachment gonna create. Yeah. You've been listening to Chuck Todd Castro, meet the press, my guess, or Carolee from NBC news. Paul Kane from the Washington Post. All right. I want to transition a little bit to the presidential. And I have to say Mark Maureen, I we're both pretty skeptical about how heavy of hand the DNC was going to take in trying to own winnowing the field, I, I have to say I am. I am surprised pleasantly surprised I say this because I think of political party should take this matter. Another own hands. I'm pleasantly surprised that the DNC. Paul. Kane has decided to okay come Labor Day. We'll have given you to shots with twenty person debates come Labor Day. You gotta you gotta show us something in order to qualify for debate, three, they're willing to winnow the field by Labor Day. And I don't hear too many people squealing about it. I thought we would I think they're I think they probably set the bar initially at a height that they thought would be harder for some people to cross the one, the one percent, sixty five thousand donor, they were pretty proud of that donor thing they really that was going to be a tough marker. They thought the Andrew yangs of the world would never get sixty five thousand or Marianne Williamson. Yeah, we'll figure it out. But I think they realized quickly thereafter Elma, gosh, there is so much energy out there on the liberal donor world and all the act blues that are steering enough donations that you're going to have what twenty or so they're going to qualify for the first. Eight but I also do think they are realizing that this sprawling field is just not helping them is really just sort of left the field in place numbers. Really? All right. Moving, you know, Biden went up a little bit burning went down a little bit, Warren. That's really it. It's not like other people. Interesting. I've been I like to put these guys in different buckets, and trying to sort the candidates a little bit, and four buckets, Joe Biden's got a bucket on his own right now. Sort of the next three to me, three or four or Warren and Sanders and Harrison Buddha. Gibb who all seem to have who've either real money or real jobs are real something. And then there's this other third bucket of candidates that I think in ten or twelve percent field would all have an opportunity to flex their talent. Michael bennett. Amey Clova shar Steve Bullock. Jay Inslee could put a lot of these folks in here but they are basically have been crowded out by yourself. Molten your ex walls, your Andrew gangs. You're in your Tim Ryan no disrespect to some of those candidates. But they're sitting at the one percent, and they basically make it that much harder for this for this for the basically, the jenex the jenex candidates to pop so far. Only Buddha chits found a moment. Right. And that's why the, the first debate in particular is going to be so critical. They're gonna themselves on fire. Moment. Definitely viral moment. But then, you know, then that might they might implode. So that could that could also have a wiggling out out of fact, because if someone tries to move in, or do something that's to harder to gimmicky, or too strange than, you know, their, their moment is gone, but it's going to be, you know, Biden his team has said that they planned to really have him focus on hard on debate prep. It's Bennelong time he's out of practice and, and they're worried about him getting somehow diminished in a debate because he's standing on this, pedestal so much right now. But for everyone else, I mean for all of those that those last two buckets, that you describe those are the ones who really need to have some sort of moment in Paul. I think this is serving for years, we always had the Ames straw poll as the great winner on the Republican, and we never we don't we haven't had really not since the Democratic Party got rid of straw, polls after eighty four when Alan Cranston whenever straw poll. You know, enjoy for those of you that remember Alan cranston's presidential campaign that gift was for you to people. But this is actually, I think going to create a focus sometime in July and August where you're kissing. Gillibrand of the world might have to spend money earlier than they wanted to perhaps. You're in Clovis Shari's, perhaps your coif booker's, spend some money to pop their numbers in internet state. Do some direct mail maybe new national cable, something that they might not have done without this, this new threshold. True. And there will be a couple of moments, the first set of debates June twenty six and twenty seventh grand then July fifteenth is huge not just because it's my birthday right? But a big fun, financial reporting day in which everybody's gonna have to reveal how much money they raised if you know, Kirstin gillibrand is sitting on, like two million or three million cash or, and everybody else's at twenty or twenty five million. You're going to see people just dropping out. Out or doing one last surge of money. Like you said, in Iowa or Hampshire to try to get into that next set of debates, but it is going to the field, just will shrink..
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"Good afternoon from Washington. I'm Chuck Todd. And this is the Chuck Todd cats after two years, he finally speaks the sound of his voice Robert Muller made a statement, Wednesday morning in which he reiterated the court conclusions of the special counsel, report and said it was up to congress to take the next steps later in this podcast survival of the fittest. The DNC announces a higher bar for their third debate. If ectively winnowing the field in half by Labor Day of this year, the unintended consequences of that decision. And what that will mean for the Jila brands of the world. Also, Republican congressman just in a mosh holda, townhall his home district, and takes questions after yet another long tweet storms, calling for the start of impeachment hearings have Republican, Bob Muller, and Republican, Justin Amash pushed Democrats to impeachment, and then later, you're not gonna wanna miss this as a fantastic conversation. I had with retired Admiral William mcraven. He join me for a special. Interview his career navy seal, what it was like to command the raid to kill Osama bin Laden, but we talked a lot more than just that he has spent a lot of time in higher education at the university of Texas, let alone seen government up close, and we talk about all of the different ways. We could solve some serious problems. That's a conversation with listening to but to begin I'm joined today by perfect pair of reporters to discuss today's blockbuster news. Paul Kane, senior congressional correspondent for the Washington Post, and NBC news correspondent Carol Lee Paulin kale. Hello, hello. All right. Mr. Muller spoke for the first time, I have to say voice a little higher pitch than you expect care. Just a little different. Yeah. Did you didn't you have like a sound in your head? You just had I don't know. I had a deeper also really wanted to stay right on script, and we didn't really see him looking very much. No, no. He wa- was reading he eleven. Right. I mean like eleven PM. Oh, AM right on the nose. Yep. It was a little bit of sort of Jared Kushner, finally spoke years ago everyone. Whoa. That was his voice, and he was a by the way, the one that always kills me as Wilbur Ross guy like shouldn't sound the way Wilbur Ross Wilbur to be like, well for family. Rostov dad. All right. So we heard his voice let, let me let you guys here. Little bit here a play a little bit of sound from Muller. If we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime. We would have said, so we did not, however make determination as to whether the president did commit a crime, the introduction to the volume two of our report explains that decision. It explains that under long standing department policy president, president cannot be charged with a federal crime while he is in office that is unconstitutional Kerley that. Bob Muller didn't say anything that wasn't in the report today, however what he chose to emphasize is fascinating. And he made it crystal-clear from the very beginning they operated under the idea that could not indict the president of the United States. Yeah. And that's what was so fascinating about his statement is, you know, he's talked a little bit about the first part of the port. The Russia interference in the election and the Trump's campaigns potential ties that which the with the investigation found there weren't any, but he spent a lot of time on this other piece, the obstruction peace and you, it's hard to have interpret that in any other way, other than he wanted to clear the record for how he saw things to basically get. Rebuttal to Bill bar totally. I thought it was absolutely Bill bar, Paul. I mean I look at it this feels like the. What the way he would have hoped a neutral attorney general would have delivered a summary of his report. This is the summary that he wanted a neutral attorney general, to deliver, and it wasn't the summary, Bill delivered. He did aknowledge during that nine minutes or so of talking, he acknowledged that he had asked Barr to release the summaries that they had written. And he made this reference to he decided sort of go a different way. I, I love what he did praise though. He said, we're glad they did follow through on releasing largely releasing the report and the praised he said they, they kept their word in that decision. Yeah. Again, I said, the most important thing Muller said throughout the whole thing to understand, Bob Muller is we chose the words carefully. That is the deaf that'll be on Bob Muller's, too. I think we should realize every single word he uttered had meaning today. Absolutely. And I mean, that's what members of congress are trying to do right now is to parse through each one of those words, parse man. Well, I didn't sound like a guy parson anymore. Yeah. But. We ought to train in this impeachment trained, just blew the whistle and it's about to stop it. Jerry Nadler station in the Upper West side. I think I think they're still going to want to have him testify. I, I know okay, says he doesn't want to, but I think they still are gonna ask him to come testify if I were inciting whether to start impeachment. Or during the process. I mean to me, that's the question now this is not going to testify, he say would if he was forced to. I mean he's gonna do it if you have to. That's not the debate. Now. Right. Isn't it? Now, how does ANSI policy? Stop this. I think she is she's caught. She's caught in a box here. This is the are still no more indications that the public wants that once an impeachment proceeding, and then they did six weeks ago. Six months ago, the politics of it for her are just as dangerous. Bob Muller just gets no traction outside of the, you know, fifty to sixty surrounding blocks of the US capital. We had reporters who are in town halls this week. And except for just in a Marsh where that was the entire point of the town, halls, talk impeachment. You know, we have reporters that were coming from swing districts where not once did it come up at all, you know, Carol I, I go back to something I've been thinking about this dilemma that they face. And I think it's not an easy answer to be too. I think you can make a you could could make a case that the founders under the current rules that we have would sit there that they would be, I think split on this. Do you do you let the vote? Otr speak first, and then decide since there's one more opportunity for voters to speak. Like I think there is truly a debate about that. But when you look at the Iraq war boat in two thousand two in Paul, you remember this, I remember you and I were both covering capital, pal. Short atkin. Dave with more with the campaign focus. That was a lot of Democrats Gephardt and Daschle in particular were worried about November twenty two. They weren't worried about November twenty seven twenty eight twenty twenty ten the Iraq war vote, John Kerry, basically got talked into 'cause he was told never be he'll never be president, right? Five years later that vote the those voted for regret it and those that vote against it puff their chest out. Democrats have to worry that the impeachment conversation. What will it look like in five years? That's the that's what they have right in that could cut various ways. You know what is it look like in, in five years? If they don't let the voter process play out if they get out head, what does it look like in five years, or ten years, even or, or longer if there's a president who has done everything that is in the public domain, that he's done. And the way he's talked himself in office, everything in the report, and they don't do anything. And you know, there's this at the debate over, you know, politics and, and sort of not so much legacy. But, but in the institutional ISM, and how they come out on that, you know, I think that Nancy Pelosi is potentially could buy a little bit of time if she applied the pressure and cut some deal with Muller to But button. what do you actually not wanna buy time? If you think you're going to end up doing impeachment. You only to me only time at this point if you can kill it. Well, that's the other thing she's also a race against time for in terms of, you know, do you start this process, and then you're in the middle of things. And at a point next year where it's not politically a good idea to mate in the middle of things. And what if they do all of that, and they're still in the same exact place that they are, what this was the debate we already having five minutes, this little show? Yeah. Meeting, which is this question? Do do do House Democrats end up taking the looking at impeachment. The way House Republicans look that the Benghazi hearing, you're not, meaning your, you know, is there a downside of presenting all of this information, you know, to the public. So what if it goes nowhere, it certainly was accumulated baggage for Hillary Clinton. So what if this doesn't go anywhere? You are being able to spend three months making a case that the president doesn't care about the rule of law. That, that is the tricky side of the politics of it. They but at the end of the day. That happened Benghazi happened just before the two thousand twelve election. It didn't it didn't hurt her. But her testimony her testimony member. The anthem hearings were two years later. Yeah. But she was still riding high off of that. What, what they ended up getting was an indirect Bank shot through the Email investigation. And that is, what really hurt her, and that, that's what some Democrats who wanna push the say, you don't know what you which is why the White House is nervous. You don't know what they end up getting. They will have to do something. They have to do something more aggressive. Whether it comes with the formal impeachment proceeding label, or not, they have to move forward. The one question we have to grapple with historically, though is doesn't impeachment that just ends up with a hung jury in the Senate as we know it will turn out to be does that actually establish. Anything historically, does that really Bill Clinton held a victory celebration. The day he was impeached, about one hundred Democrats went down to the White House, south lawn and rallied around him and Al Gore called the greatest president. In history, and it caused out gore. It and politically always believed that out gourd never lived on that moment. Probably probably could you imagine? Can you imagine what Trump will do the day? He's impeach and fireworks. Okay. That's all true. We know how he's going to respond with his group of people and all of that the question becomes, I think there's downsides both of these decisions at this point? They got away, what's the what's the worst downside. Or what's the least bad downside? Yeah. And the problem is, they just don't know the to jump in or or not. You can't really I mean you can game the whole thing out and in various scenarios, but, you know, at a certain point, like with we were talking about with, with Hillary Clinton's emails like you just don't know if something like that is going to turn off. That was luck for that for the Republicans. And, and so, you know, they can mullet over and Mullen over. But at at some point, they're either going to have to decide that they're in or they're not. To me, it's the penalty down the road if they choose not to do this. I think is just so greater to the branch..
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"Hi, I'm Chuck Rosenberg. I spent most of my professional life in public service. I was a federal prosecutor I worked at the FBI, and I ran the DA since leaving the Justice department I've been distressed by the level of discourse in this country. These days there seems to be more heat than light. And so my new podcast the oath with Chuck Rosenberg is based on a simple premise. We're going to have thoughtful conversations about difficult topics with interesting people, I'm sure you've heard of some of them like pre Pereira, the former United States attorney from the southern district of New York you'd like to think not only is known above the law. But also like to think that every victim no matter what their social standing there ocupation to they can be vindicated in court too. And Lisa Monaco, homeland security advisor to President Barack Obama you were part of a mission to work with the president's national security team to help keep the country safe. That's the job Jim Komi. The former director of the FBI specifically in institutions like the FBI runs down into bedrock. Those values are at the heart of that place. And no president serves long enough to screw that up and ending McCabe. The former deputy director of the FBI your job is to think of others I to think of the safety and the wellbeing and the security of your community of your country of the people around you before yourself. Each of them took an oath as I did to support and defend the constitution of the United States. You've seen them on TV. You may have read their books. Now hear them in long-form right here on the oath. We start on may first you can find my show on apple podcasts and everywhere else said you get your podcast. Thank you. So very much for listening.
"chuck" Discussed on The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press
"It is Wednesday April third. Good day from Washington. I'm Chuck Todd. And to what is the inaugural edition of the Chuck Todd cast. Yes, we're using that con- dad humor is allowed year on today's show. We are going to probably the best way to look at. It is considered your mid week. Meet the press we're gonna try to dip into all the big stories driving the week as it stands now twenty twenty usually he'd these days at the top of the list, followed by whatever shut down or start up. The president is trying whether it's border healthcare or whatever it is. And then a lot of other stuff that's on my mind that gets missed out on the television front a little bit. So today, we'll dump into fundraising numbers twenty twenty. And we got the Joe Biden the touchy feely issues their healthcare coming back, obviously with me today to chew on all this or to people who occasionally have a sense of humor. But a really good reporters. Shana Thomas wash beer cheese for Bice news and Mark Leibovich chief. National correspondent the New York Times magazine Shana in Mark girl podcast. That's right. I wanted to feels different would feel comfortable on camera right now. Exactly. Exact you realize you're here because you're two of the people that it is okay. To tell me off really that. Can we actually say f- or like the? I can I can curse but did not last night. But I almost did. I think you know, I kind of think I'll be had I've had these debates about like do I've been caught on camera flipping a bird, and I have. Yeah. And it's on YouTube forever and ever and ever and ever and ever press. Like one of those off camera off camera. It's all Mike barnicle fault, which always play. My put me off. I just didn't do it on camera. But that's the way. I look at it. You really wanna curse? Yeah. Do you wanna be call? This is only audio. So maybe I will flip you off. And just people won't now. That's what I it's not that the Houston Texans are number one. Okay. Yeah. I should should. We're we're a bit of a cranky mood because I took my son to the national Bryce Harper nationals game. The good news is we saw Bryce Harper. Strikeout twice. Yes. Then we left up to fifth inning. That's exactly right. I jump into twenty twenty I wanna jump in. And I wanna jump in a little quick because we're gonna fundraising numbers coming in. But the president basically wants to start campaigning yesterday it meaning he's dying to campaign. He doesn't want to govern. So he you ever stop camping. I mean, fishery we do have to always remember that they refiled to run for re election the day after he was inaugurated either the day of or the day after he was inaugurated, which not even Brock Obama dead. They have been campaigning the whole time. What what else do we call this? It's what he wants to do. He's more comfortable campaigning. Well, there's the old. Mario Cuomo saying campaign and. In poetry governent pros. Yeah. He he has case sort of skip the poetry along the way here. And I don't know look, I don't know if this is actually poetry or prose. But there's no doubt. He much prefers campaign. Much much prefers sort the episode of nature of winning the hour, the tweet whatever. So. Yeah. You don't think it's a little free verse when he's on on the stump? Like, it's clear he enjoys it. And that that's why he wants to do it. It's fun. I mean, I just I if you were to say, okay when was the president in governing mode. I would have really hard time sort of like going to a specific date or that he really immersed himself in do we feel like twenty twenty races in full steam now now that we're in the middle of vetting Joe Biden, and I want to get to the Biden thing in a minute. But because I feel like the minute we get into Joe Biden. We're not going to be able to get our hands off that story. Thank you very much. Oh. No, there'd be a special effect here. Will there be a remedy is that actually in a script somewheres where? Okay. This is good. How like how long ago to that? Come to you just like as you said it. I don't understand. Why people know is witty leaning all of the joke, Mr. this tag, quello, sex, whatever. Yeah. You know, what is this going to be ended? We can massage it a little bit. So that's good. That's how it's done. See? That's really. Personally. I I don't want it to be full swing twenty twenty yet. So I'd like to answer your questions, they know it's not just because can't we at least wait to the Iowa State though. We're not waiting Shawna. Thomas hopeful wish I could focus on something else. But realizing twenty twenty needs to take all of the energy. I mean, it feels full swing only in that. We have a president as we said never stopped campaigning. We have so many candidates on the on the democratic side. We have just a great deal of energy on the democratic side to actually get this thing going, but you know, they're five more people still yet to announce that we think will announce so ready for the five can you name the? Try it people three I'll give you a hand. Just give you a hint to or former office and three currently hold office. These are five all Democrats. Michael Bennett didn't have him yet. Sorry. Make that six. Abrahams. Not putting not counting on this. He's announced. I'm talking about having announced Eric swallow ago. There's one being a molten ding to Joe Biden, that's three. Okay. There's two MARCY. This is harder. So many candidates Chila brand did her already. Let's see. I'm you know, what we don't like unpack cast, wait. Yeah. Air they're gonna end it. You just assume they added or the other two. Okay. That's the whole point podcast all the time. The good ones are unedited, John Delaney. I'm not counting. Oh. Tim Ryan and Terry McAuliffe. Conversation with someone about Terry McAuliffe. Now with the democratic operative. I was having a conversation about Terry McAuliffe and the joke that he was making to me was if I told you a blue like a purple state democratic former governor who has a history of being a pragmatic democrat was thinking about getting into this race. What would you say? And I was like that's that's an interesting, and he was like one of his name is Terry McAuliffe, and I was like that different conversation. That's a little rough what because I by Terry a little bit. I mean fine, and we need to see what he stands for. And if you actually decides to run, and I think that probably depends a little on Joe Biden. But I think the connection to the Clintons this idea of going back in time to democratic leadership committee and the Clinton machine and all that other stuff it is it it was baggage for Hillary Clinton. It's why the decision was already made about Hillary. Entin in some ways from the beginning. It would be baggage for Terry McAuliffe, plus Terry McAuliffe last name, isn't Clinton. So you, and I know who is, but you want you want to ask one of those people in Iowa right now who is going to events. Do they knew who Terry? Here's here's the the reason why had heard the Terry at backed off Terry one hundred percent. And then suddenly he was on a percent. And the hundred sent out was a combination of two things one. You brought up which Joe Biden the other is the mess of the state of Mr. Liebich. Well, no, it's not, but it one term, man. But right. Out and like this not it's my understanding the state Democratic Party, which does have mid-term, it's midterm elections or not yours. They have no head of their party. Okay. The governor is somebody no one wants to be seen with little tenant. Governor is somebody. Nobody wants to be seen with the attorney general is somebody that not many people want to be seen with. I think he's like like, you're okay. He's done an interview him at the Harris teeter. It's okay. I think other than that instrument. So they actually went Terry McAuliffe. Do be the face of the Virginia Democrat party their midterms. Some people are even talking about making him state. So either runs for president or becomes the state chair of the Virginia Democratic Party LePage? You know? It's funny. I I don't know. I mean, that's a tough choice. If you Terry McAuliffe planning a life to be the head of the state Democratic Party. No, I think the DNC care part was just a warm up. I think it was just know he wants to sort of did the same thing. Actually took a step down and became the Virginia. GOP I will. I mean, you could there are few candidates in the field that you could sort of go down a list and say what what does Terry McAuliffe have. That is a really good quality. You mentioned purple state fairly popular governor very tank Tanner likes campaigning canceling like Joe Biden to sort of. I mean, check just likes to hold the apparatus of it. But you know, it's but Clinton, right? So I mean, I don't know how you lose that. But the thing is maybe you just do. I mean, maybe the lesson. We'll get to Biden, obviously. But maybe the lesson of the Biden thing is just like let it roll. I mean, I do think row let it roll look Ralph Ralph Northam situation is is kind of a mean for his perverse is at all is is kind of an advertisement for just let it roll just like not let the news cycle. Eat you up. And I'm not saying that he's like a a master handler of damage control or like a situation like this by any stretch. But look, your your are one of the more unaccountable positions, you could possibly hope to be when you were in one term situation elected off. You know, it's interesting about feeding frenzies just in general. And I think we're learning this in the age of Trump feeding frenzies effective until the until you're no longer hungry. I mean it like, you know, and there is a point where Trump figured this out a long time ago, let your opponents keep punching themselves out, and if you just. I think it does. It does actually roll off his back. I think lives marks. Yeah. He gets irate in in private and things like that. But he it is the lesson. And I'm not sure it's the greatest lesson for politics in general or democracy. But it is the lesson from twenty sixteen and now from the Trump campaign and Trump administration. If you just let them talk themselves out they'll move on before I get to Biden, and I'm gonna put Biden in a special box here. We're gonna soon Biden actually his not running for now. So without Biden in this race right now of the people running who the three front runners. I don't believe there's one but give me the top tier? And if the top tiers three or four candidates in in your mind, and what is the top tier? How do you defend the top? I haven't. Okay. So we don't you are not finding I've got a top tier in my head. But what's yours? Okay. Do we wanna go like back and forth? Just do. Yeah. Let's go back and forth. You go first. Okay. I think number one Bernie Sanders and that a lot has to do with. Money previous energy from twenty sixteen. There are people who out there. Who know they love Bernie Sanders. They still Bernie Sanders. I am going to go out in a very weird limb here and say mayor Pete Pete already in the not getting there yet. But that's okay. That's interesting and put them there there enough. And then it's like picking Texas checking your final four at there. That's right. That third spots. I'm hard one new three or four. I'm okay with that. I have right now, I have three and a half tickets. I'm gonna put comma Harris up there. Okay. So that you three right now. That's my three right now. You've anybody not in this top tier that you wanna put it. Okay. I'll put it in your ear. She got Bernie Kamla Pete. So you don't put PetO in there in there because I'm not because I am not convinced yet. I'm not convinced that being overly Texan on. Yes. Okay. Yes. And so that is part of the problem. Also not convinced convincing the race. Born and raised. I have a tattoo. There's a lot. But two is of the Lone Star state actually, a Lone Star is alone star keeping Beddoe off your late yet. I'm keeping Beddoe off. My listen, I'm not convinced. 'cause I don't know if he knows what he's running yet. I'm sure can find out in the odyssey lebeau. I am going to put Elizabeth Warren in their top. I'll. Because I think first of all I think. I feel like she's been treated unfairly. I feel like she has been overlooked somewhat by people sort of a corridor focusing a little bit too much on things like momentum fundraising, which is real obviously. But look I think if you've been watching closely she's run a good race. She she seems to be capturing a slice. I mean, she's very good on the stump better than people give her credit for her audiences seemed to really be responding to her. She does seem to be chipping away at this thing and playing a longer game as far as this us go, and and so we're having more traditional kind of democratic campaign. I agree with you on. And I think warrants had I think Warrenton nouncement speeches the most cohesive. I think that her problem is is that I think every candidate is going to go through an elective test. We are not going to see the Democrats nominate who we all thinks the most electable, but every single person who goes through the process of. Siding on a candidate in their own mind. Decides can they stand up to Trump whatever that is the we just don't know what the measuring stick is for every voter. But we know that is a stick. Yes. My concern for Warren is that voters have decided 'cause I I heard it Niwa. Oh, boy, man. She