35 Burst results for "Chromium"

Out With The Old - SolarWinds Smoking Gun, Signal Influx of WhatsApp Users, Male Chastity Cage

Security Now

03:07 min | 6 d ago

Out With The Old - SolarWinds Smoking Gun, Signal Influx of WhatsApp Users, Male Chastity Cage

"It's time for security now the show we cover your security online your privacy. How things work out bad. It's getting how good it's getting all that stuff with this guy right here. Live long and prosper steve gibson. I got put the thumb outright. That's the key bomb out can't do do i have a show for today. What's the topic This well the title is with the old which was inspired after i got back into spin. Right sixes source code and realized how much crap was in there to deal with that the things that we were having to deal with back in the nineteen eighties and nineties at the beginning of the pc era. And so i. It was just going to be kind of like you know. I've just mentioned it. But i just think our listeners will really find that interesting. Old-timers will be going on. I remember when dos had a thirty three and a half megabyte partition size limit. Believe it or not and and you know younger viewers are gonna be like what so anyway. We've got so much talk about. We have critical updates for fire. Fox and all of the chromium based browsers and a potentially unwelcome but reversible. Change coming to fire fox We're going to look at an another new tactic. Being employed by the ransomware gangs or at least one of them an update on ransomware profitability. A bogus seeming announcement from intel. The which was made yesterday during their cas announcement of the eleventh gen. core processors. I i well. I did dig in to see if there is anything to it and bow. Oh i gotta be left with no question about how i feel and we have the i use on this. Podcast of the term tele dildo onyx. Tell donna deal. Get it right until donald bill tell anybody knows ask that we have some residual solar wins news the formation of a security screw up crisis management group news of the inevitable attacks on zych sell users the mass exodus from what's app following their plans to force all meta data sharing for users of their platform at quick sifi note about the expanse and then as i said inspired by the amazing amount of old code. I have rediscovered inside spin right. I'm gonna take our listeners back to the roaring eighties with a look. At how far we've come from dos. Three point three. So oh and we do have a picture of the week for the ages so good it came without caption cheeto.

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Apple Loses A Copyright Lawsuit

Techmeme Ride Home

03:17 min | 2 weeks ago

Apple Loses A Copyright Lawsuit

"Federal judge has dismissed. Apple's claims that mobile device virtualization company corral corallium violated copyright law with its software that allowed folks to run ios on pc's quoting the washington post in a ruling that has wide reaching implications for iphone security research and copyright law a federal judge in florida throughout apple's claims that carelli had violated copyright law with its software which helps security researchers find bugs and security holes on apple's products. Corallium co founded in two thousand seventeen by husband and wife. Amanda gordon and chris wade was a breakthrough insecurity research because it gave its customers the ability to run virtual iphones on desktop computers. Corallium makes it to use physical avon's that contain specialized software to poke and prod. Ios apple's mobile operating system. The judge in the case ruled that carell liam's creation of virtual. Iphones was not a copyright violation in part because it was designed to help improve the security for all iphone users. Corallium wasn't creating a competing product for consumers rather it was a research tool for a comparatively small number of customers. Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment in the lawsuit. Apple argued that crawley products could be dangerous if they fall into the wrong hands because security flaws discovered by liam could be used to hack iphones. Apple also argued that chromium sells its product indiscriminately claim corallium denied dread. Rodney smith called apple's argument on those claims quote puzzling. If not disingenuous quote smith found that chromium used a vetting process before selling its products to customers. Apple initially attempted to acquire corallium in two thousand eighteen. According to court records when the acquisition talks stalled apple sued corallium last year claiming its virtual iphones which contain only the bare bones functions necessary for security research constitute violation of copyright law apple also alleged corallium circumvented. Apple's security measures to create the software thereby violating the digital millennium copyright act that claim has not been thrown out and quote. So i was already to say this was a dumb lawsuit but apparently companies have won a similar cases in the past around copyright but most in the digital security community praised this result. Let me quote at pony. All the things on twitter quote. This is a big deal for security research in particular but also other parts of tech apple case was an insanely broad assertion. That emulating iowa's firmware on something. That's not apple's own hardware violates copyright rather than covered by fair use. Imagine if. That argument had prevailed that emulation of a binary even for wildly different purposes such as security testing that binary is a digital copyright infringement. Might as well have back named afl to automatic federal lawsuit in that scenario was such a dangerously broad claim if the logical conclusion of your lawsuit is windows being a terms of service. Change away from overnight bankrupting vm. Ware to force everyone to use your and turning security testing of compiled binary into lawsuits. Then sorry you're lawsuit is bad and you should feel bad and quote

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Microsoft Edge for Linux Discussion

Joey's Totally Tech

03:42 min | 2 months ago

Microsoft Edge for Linux Discussion

"So this past month. I've been using the microsoft edge. Web browser own lennox That's an Development actually part of the microsoft insider program and As you know microsoft edge is what comes with windows and lennox my primary operating system. Mx lennox sabih specific So i never use edge myself. I'm a. I'm a guy right. But i do know that edge came out not too long ago from microsoft's that's been out for a while but they recently rewrote it of course Edge and internet explorer have a reputation of being the browser that used to download google chrome. Yes yes so but yeah. Edge recently switched to the chromium engine or the blink engine which is what chrome and chromium years. Yes so they decided to work on a lennox version of the browser k. Yeah now for Years of before satya nadella took over as ceo Microsoft had a history of attacking olympics and open source software and The bottom line would you expect. Yeah i know right. But i think sought adela has learned to use lennox to his advantage but many lennox users. What fine using microsoft edge. A bit blasphemous. Alan is there that much hatred for the for microsoft. Oh oh yeah and the lennox community. There's a lot of hatred for microsoft Some people in the lennox community are accepting microsoft. A bit more these days. Yeah and we'll get into that but Microsoft under like steve palmer specially somewhat under bill gates. But i don't know if it was that bad but the bomber years Gosh bomber hated open source software really. yes Yeah and and the source. People like microsoft. Either you know they. They were everything that stood against open source software. You know i mean you got to fundamental differences in values. You have microsoft which is proprietary closed source software. You don't get to the source code. It's up now. They do have some open source software. We'll get to them a little bit and then of course a lot of lennox users they're open source activists pretty much they wanna see as much open source software out there as possible. So so yeah. They'd think that using a microsoft product on a lennox distribution as blasphemous even though there are microsoft products on now like vs code and some others all mentioned that So under site in the del la off microsoft has embraced one x a bit more. Now yes lenox does cut into their bottom line of it but microsoft has learned how to use lennox of for their bottom lines. Microsoft has released. Vs code which is available for winnick's And it's up source

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Edge to be updated with browser extensions "Manifest v3"

Security Now

10:22 min | 3 months ago

Edge to be updated with browser extensions "Manifest v3"

"Edge. Is going to. BE UPDATED WITH BROWSER EXTENSIONS Known as Manifest V. Three. The proposed changes to the web extensions API, which are sort of. generically known as manifest. The three just shortly known were first announced by Google two years ago back in October twenty eighteen, and this was four you know chromium. This is what Google said, what we're GONNA do. And we talked about this at the time our listeners may remember these stated plans from Google did not go over very well with the industry. When they announced their planned changes, they explained Google explained that the main intent of this manifest victory was to improve extension security, improve extension performance, and give users greater control over what extensions did and which sites they could interact with which all sounds great. But extension developers quickly pointed out that this manifest V. three updates contain changes which would cripple the ability of ad blockers Av parental control enforcement, and various privacy enhancing extensions to do their job as they had been and as a consequence Google's. Announcement, triggered a significant backlash from users, extension developers, and even other browser makers. Because among other things, the extensions had the effect of limiting the power of adblocker to block ads Of course, the Non Google community was unhappy to see Google clearly an advertising based company. Moving to limit our ability to to control the ads that are browsers would be subjecting us to and as I've often mentioned. From time to time, I will encounter a browser lacking a competent adblocker. And I'm always shocked by the experience I think wait whoa you know buckle up. It's just it's horrific. So I can imagine choosing a browser entirely based upon whether or not it allowed me to have control over just how obnoxious the ads work that I was being served. And back at the time browsers including opera brave and vivaldi quickly distanced themselves from Google's plans, announcing their intentions to ignore these manifest v. three updates and thus allow users to keep using the AD blockers. They already were using and liked, and Mozilla which had implemented. The web extensions API up to that point in Fire Fox in order to get compatibility with where the rest of the industry was going. Also explicitly denounced crumbs plans and said, it would not be following Google's web extensions API to the letter and would instead be making its own changes to allow ad blockers to continue working as they always have now. I would argue. that. Google had its heart in the right place. But that they did. Perhaps wilfully under appreciate the importance of allowing for dynamic extension based page filtering. Here's what happened at the technology level, the original web request API. And that's what it was known. The web replaced API allowed developers, of Web. Extensions. To install complete and powerful in line filters both in the query and in the reply loops sort of. Sir encircling the the browsers engine a query filter would inspect and perhaps modify any browser queries. Leaving the browser on the way to remote web servers and a reply filter would receive remote web server replies before the browser engine saw them, and this would allow the extension to make extensive edits of the received page among other things blocking subsequent requests for secondary page assets like ads. Google's. V THREE RE engineered solution. was going to discard all of that and in fact has. In favor of what they called a declarative net request API. Google explained that it would prevent extensions from inspecting web requests made on a page while providing much of the same functionality, and again I'll say that I think Google heart was in the right place because that Previ- three filtering. Which is what we've been living with for the lap for like up until now. was, awesomely powerful. A two years ago at the time of the announcement Simeon Vincent who is the developer advocate for chrome extensions said that forty two percent of all malicious extensions which Google had detected. Year to date. So from January twenty seventeen, until October, I'm sorry from January two, thousand, eighteen until October two, thousand eighteen. Forty two percent of all militias extensions were abusing that API. For nefarious purposes. He said quote with Web Request Chrome sends all the data in a network request to the listening extension including any sensitive data contained in that request like personal photos or emails. He says because all of the request data is exposed to the extension, it makes it very easy for a malicious developer to abuse that access to a user's credentials, accounts or personal information. Gives me. All of that is true. Which is why I like the idea if we can somehow like arranged to get both if we could have good blocking. While somehow not allowing extensions. That could misbehave to see everything coming and going to and from the. Web Browser. So with Google's declarative net request API, which is what is in the V. Three. Next Generation, an extension pre registers rules. That the browser reads and then applies to each web page before and after it's loaded. This hugely improves security and privacy since extensions never receive and see all of the page data which they up which they do under V two. And then the browser makes all the modifications requested on behalf of the extension only when one or more of those pre declared rules are met. An addition to enhance privacy and security this allows crumbs optimized processing paths to handle all of the actual web request filtering rather than leaving this to an extensions possibly slow Java script code. So we get a big performance boosts in addition to enhance privacy and safety. So. The the problem is these changes promised to create a number of problems. The first obvious was that this would be restricting what extensions were able to do. And I don't see any way round that you're either going to give extensions like unfettered full access to a web page or you're going to say. We know just tell us what things you're sensitive about, and we'll look for those for you and then then take care of it. So for example, at the time, the developers of no script and you block origin were not happy because they liked the power that they had. They made it clear that the new API's declarative rule system would not provide the same level of control. But the most glaring limitation that arose at the time was the total number of rules that the new engine could accommodate Google plan to allow which what what I would think would seem like plenty of rules at thirty thousand. But it was quickly revealed to be far insufficient for AD blockers. They often have to filter web requests for hundreds of thousands of AD. Related Domains these days. So during the debate which ensued, the State Requirements Range from ninety thousand to one hundred and fifty thousand some people even arguing that like look let's not. You know like have a too low limit that ad blockers could could hit their heads on. So how about half a million? Anyway Google compromised and did agree to raise their planned thirty, thousand, two, hundred, fifty, thousand individual rules. So that's where we are and that brings us to today. Manifest V. Three changes are now being tested in chrome developer channels and much of the post announcement grumbling from two years ago has died down although some adblocker extensions. The, devs have given up on their products ability to reliably block ads. Once these changes reach stable versions of chrome. And I think that may be some grumbling.

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Is Stainless Steel Really Stainless?

BrainStuff

06:25 min | 4 months ago

Is Stainless Steel Really Stainless?

"Bathroom, sinks and kitchen appliances to New York's Chrysler building, and the Saint Louis. Gateway. Arch. The world sometimes seems like it's covered in stainless steel. And why not the material is not only sturdy and versatile, but also stainless as the name implies, but is it really impossible to stain stainless steel? Stainless steel is a family of materials that gets its handle from corrosion and oxidation resistant properties that protect it from rust and unsightly botches. Generally, these steals our mixture of iron end at least ten point, five percent chromium sometimes rounded to eleven percent by engineers. When exposed to oxygen and moisture a for instance, when a stainless steel pan is nick door dinged chromium is an element that produces thin oxide film, the coats the product. This self repairing feature of stainless steel ensures the object will always look smooth and shiny. Various European American metallurgists claim to have invented. This wonders material. A We do know that Croup ironworks in Germany created an acid resistant steel as early as nineteen eight, it was used for the hell of a yacht. To other German researchers discovered the relationship between chromium content and corrosion resistance that metal containing at least ten point five percent chromium had a greater resistance to corrosion. Meanwhile American. elwood Haynes patented one type of stainless steel precursor in nine eleven and English researcher. Harry brearley developed a similar material around the same time. After a four year dustup in which hanes successfully opposed brearley's attempt to patent his version of the steel, the to pooled resources to market their wares as the American stainless steel. Company. These and other stainless bells found their way into cutlery airplane parts, Gulf clubs, and Adams almost immediately. But not all stainless steel is created equal. There are four main types of stainless steel classified by structure and composition. The most common variety is static sixty, five percent of the stainless steel produced. All's in this category. A static steals can be found in products ranging from cutlery and cookware to automotive trim and industrial applications. Immaterial pains at least sixteen percent chromium no more than zero point one, five percent carbon and usually includes nickel or manganese for added their ability. Meanwhile. For riddick stainless steels contain up to twenty seven percent chromium often as well as aluminum or titanium, but if little or no nickel. means that while these materials are highly resistant to Croatian, they're less durable than their austin cousins. For riddick steals are more affordable than Austin attic varieties and are commonly used in Mufflers, exhaust, systems kitchen counters, and sinks. Then we have Martin's stainless steels which are less corrosion resistant than the first two types, but are noted for their extreme strength and durability. Of the material contains twelve fourteen percent chromium along with small amounts of Molybdenum and carbon. These steals also contain little to no nickel less than two percent. Martin's stainless steels are magnetic and are often used in products where this feature's useful like a kitchen back splash to which spice rack or other metal object can be attached without using fasteners. A finally duplex stainless steels combined the benefits of Austin night and fair right to provide enhanced decay resistance and beefed up strength and durability. metallurgists typically look to create a mix that's half Austin and half foretich. The result is material that features more chromium and less nickel than his found in Pure Austin at steals about twenty to twenty, five percent chromium and five percent nickel as well as a high level of Molybdenum. These deals are primarily used in chemical plants and piping applications. You may have noticed our use of the term resistant when referring to these stainless steels capacity for avoiding blemishes. So is the material just stain resistant or completely stain proof? And despite the hardy protection that it affords users, stainless steel is more stain less and stainless in other words while the material is highly resistant to discoloration blemishes and other imperfections, it's not completely impenetrable. Just look at the Gateway Arch, which is starting to show its age with breast and K after five decades of welcoming tourists to saint. Louis. The protective layer of film covering a stainless steel object can break down over time leading to corrosion and pitting. In addition compounds like chloride, hydrogen and hydrogen sulfide often caused the film to stress and crack. The level of rest resistance provided by a particular steel depends largely on the materials used to create it the more chromium, the more corrosion protection. The sturdier stainless steels also feature at least eight percent nickel, which provides further defense against tarnish. Some products are tagged with numbers indicating their proportions of chromium and nickel. For instance, eighteen over ten flatware is sold at a premium because it has eighteen percent chromium and ten percent nickel content providing greater protection against corrosion than ordinary flatware. For household users it's important to understand that many metals advertised a stainless steel are actually stainless steel played it. The plate is corrosion resistant, but is susceptible to damage if cut or scratched deep enough to reach the. Material because the plates can also wear off over time, buyers should clarify whether a particular product is made completely of stainless steel or simply plated. Whether played it or not. You're stainless steel appliances and other products need to be cleaned. Most of the time good old fashioned soap and water will do the trick for tougher stains. Professionals recommend variety of household remedies. A couple of dabs of olive oil or window cleaner can remove most of those pesky fingerprints and smudges while white or cider vinegar will restore shine. A don't use steel wool pads or harsh cleaning powders as they'll scratched surface. If you need to remove burnt on food from stainless steel pan, let it soak in warm water and then clean it with baking soda and Gentle Nylon or plant based scouring pad.

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Chrome tackles Abusive Ads

Security Now

08:39 min | 4 months ago

Chrome tackles Abusive Ads

"Chrome Fortunately will be getting tough on abusive ads. In a posting on get hub. Google's engineer John. Delaney has spelled out the chromium projects, intentions regarding abusive ads. So. First of all modern web pages are a jungle of stuff. So how does chromium the chromium engine determine? For itself what's an ad and what isn't It comes down to something known as add tagging. Chromium is able to detect some ads and the resources they load in the browser. This enables the browser to measure the size, the performance and the count of ads displayed. To its users, it also allows the browser to intervene on the user's behalf when ads run counter to what they decide is the users interest, for example, using crazy amount of resources engaging in some abusive behavior or whatever. So that add detection infrastructure, they call at tagging and it's not very inspired. It works by matching resource requests against a filter list to determine if they're ad requests and in there in a sample that they've got of some code, they show them you like importing the easy list, which of course, is a well known list that's being maintained by a community of a known domain names that are providing ads. So they said any requests. Matching the filter are tagged as adds further requests and some dom elements such as I frames made on behalf of previously tagged scripts are also tagged as ads by the AD tracker. So it's not just it's as images that match the filter. It's if scripts were coming from a a known add source than the things that are essentially descendents of those scripts would also be tagged as ads, which certainly you'd want to have happen. They said I pray will be marked as an ad I frame. If it's your L. matches the filter list if tagged. Is Involved in the creation of the I frame or if it's parent frame is an ad I frame. So you know you can't get can't sneak out of it by creating a frame within a frame and say look I'm not the original one. The mainframe on a page will never be tagged as an add good. and. Then they said any request made within an ad I frame is considered an ad resource request. So drilling down on this one level. We learned that this sub resource filter loads the filter list, and then perform this url matching of any requests against that list it's distributed. That is the filter list is distributed via the component update, which is just part of the chrome installation. So it's be main, it's being kept current constantly, and the same list and component is also used for blocking ads on abusive sites. And those that violate the better ads standard. they explained that each sub resource request in the render process is processed by the sub resource filter before the request is sent from the browser out. So it's not that it blocks things coming back. It never makes the request in the first place. It just you know denies denies it on the from the the page making the request. Okay so you get ads identified as such. How were they treated differently this is where John, explains what they they call the heavy add intervention. A small fraction of ads on the Web us and John Likes the word egregious will see there's a couple of times and egregious amount of system resources. He says these poorly performance ads whether intentional or not harm the user's browsing experience by making pages slow draining the device's battery and consuming mobile data. He says for those without unlimited plans and then he says, in these egregious cases, the browser can upload the offending adds. To, protect the individuals divide. I'm sorry that browser can unload saying wet the browser can unload the offending adds to protect the individuals device resources. He says, this is a strong intervention that's meant to safeguard the users resources with low risk because unloading and add is unlikely to result in loss of functionality of the pages main content. Is as examples of observed at behavior that are intended to be discouraged. Are Note no surprise adds that mine crypto currency. ADDS that load large poorly compressed into is So just sloppy ads ads that loge large video files before a user gesture. Or adds that perform expensive operations in Java script such as decoding video files or seat. CPU Timing Attacks Yeah we don't want those. So Google notes that is not their intention to discourage any specific ad creative formats such as display video ads. So they're trying to be as agnostic as possible. So the user agent, the Browser will unload ads that US and he says again and agreed amount of network bandwidth or CPU usage. We define reaches as using more of a resource than ninety nine point, nine percent of ads as measured by the browser. That's well, you know. So that sets a very high bar says he and he says only adds that have not been interacted with by the user will be unloaded. And here's what's interesting and this is some tech We've never talked about before that's therefore worth mentioning. All unloaded frames will be notified via an intervention report. That the intervention occurred. This feedback is necessary to help advertisers or their AD technology vendors to identify and fix ads that are triggering this intervention. So first of all, just a little bit a little last word on the classification of ads. He says that's left to the discretion of the user agent. For example, chrome detects ads using what we talked about the ad tagging feature. An advertisement is considered heavy if it has not been clicked on by the user and meets any of the following criteria. It uses the main thread for more than sixty seconds total. The or used the main thread for more than fifteen seconds in any thirty second window. So they they said and parental fifty percent utilization over thirty seconds. Or used more than four megabytes of network bandwidth to load resources. So any of those thresholds get crossed the that the new chrome technology will say, nope and just boot the ad it's you know, sorry, you're a bad. And he said that the thresholds above were inspired by the I. ABC's lean standard that's in caps but chosen to but has chosen by looking at crumbs metrics at the ninety nine point ninth percentile of network and CPU usage in ads so again. Most ads are not gonNa Cross that line but those that do, and there are some bye-bye.

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DoH coming to Chrome for Android

Security Now

06:27 min | 4 months ago

DoH coming to Chrome for Android

"Does not going to be able to type it in. DO H. is coming to chrome for. android. Although the desktop releases of chrome? have offered the enhanced security and privacy that many of us love offered by DNS over https. which appeared in chrome three two. Major versions ago? It wasn't added to the IOS or Android wins back then but last Wednesday's chromium blog was titled a safer and more private browsing experience on Android with secure DNS. And I think I would argue that that's a good place to have D- DNS over https. Paraphrasing from Google posting for the sake of Brevity, and to skip a bunch of stuff that we all already know they said. With, Chrome eighty-five. We're extending support of secure DNS in chrome to Android as we did for the launch of D. O. H. on chrome for desktop platforms will progressively roll out do H. on chrome for Android to ensure the feature stability and performance as well as an I think this was significant to help do H. providers scale their services accordingly. As we've talked about the fact that that arguably. Setting up. Persistent. https connections to DNS servers is a significantly more burdensome process for the server than just fielding UDP packets DNS you know traditionally over UDP is incomes a packet and A reply. https involves the whole T. L. S. handshake to set it up, and then you're maintaining persistent session and I don't want to have to do that every time you make a DNS query or a be way slower and nobody wants a performance hit when you get authentication and privacy. But still you're you have to maintain state over at the server end in order to offer this service and that can require the PRI- The providers to scale in order to make that happen. So presumably, there are gonNA be keeping an eye on how well this does and in fact, they talk about that a little bit about the possible need to fall back they they said. android chrome will automatically switch to DNS over https if your current DNS provider is known to support it. And I just hit the space bar by mistake of scrolled. This also applies to your current android private. DNS. That's DNS over. If you have configured one, they said this approach means that we can preserve any extra services provided by your configured DNS service provider such as family safe filtering, and therefore avoid breaking the users expectations making it transparent. They said in this automatic mode chrome will also fall back to the regular DNS service of the users current provider. For example, if you had configured DNS over T. L. S.. In order to avoid any disruption while periodically re trying to secure DNS communication. So presumably, as I said if the provider were become overloaded or stop offering the services for a while, it'll just smoothly drop back to traditional DNS. They said in case this default behaviour isn't suitable to your needs. Chrome also provides manual configuration options allowing you to use a specific provider without. As. Well as the ability to completely disabled feature. They said if you're an IT administrator, chrome will disable secure DNS. If it detects a managed environment via the presence of one or more enterprise policies, we've also added new DNS over https enterprise policies to allow for a managed configuration of security and s and encourage it administrators to look into deploying DNS over https for their users. So anyway, basically, it's what we've what we've seen before. By. well by by chrome and pretty much now, all of the browsers who who are wanting to move their clients and and users from DNS over UDP traditional DNS over to https. So it's just gonNA happen seamlessly chrome will start supporting it if they see that you're using and it comes with a list of known providers. If they see that you've already switched your DNS there than they, they will just upgrade you to. To that provider if that provider is known to offer the service and because it'll be an automatic grade if there's a problem, they'll back you out of it and then in addition once that's provided under chrome for Android, you can also switch it to. Sort of a non automatic mode, provide the IP address and other URL requirements for http or for for D dns over https and start using it so again. To be I think that makes a lot of sense especially when at a mobile devices out roaming around more you're away from home where you're dns has only going essentially never even going. Public at all, it's just to to your own local provider in order to get resolution. So. Good to see this happening, and of course, we've talked about how this is also being rolled out for windows

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Exams: Does anyone actually revise properly?

How To Fail Your Degree

04:27 min | 5 months ago

Exams: Does anyone actually revise properly?

"Today, we're going to be talking about everyone's favorite time of the. Show. When it comes to the exams anyone actually revised. Every student ever. So I think everyone has a idea at this point of like going to be really good at this time around. But it's not gonNA happen. So how would you go about combating that? I mean like well, obviously, you're on your first This a pointless endeavor. Why would you? Leave the room. But no like I. Think for me. Obviously, it's my second year. So I. It's like you learned from the first of how to tackle revision an exam rooms and everything like that, and then implemented the second year. But guess what guys still this look so I think for me like. I always follow the tips such as like Trying, to start work early, you know tried to revise the as possible leading to content turning to everything, but you never happens. Let's be honest I was GONNA ask well, like in your levels I guess Lauren called it. What did you do that? Like what was Your Vision Tactics So essentially when I was in Secondary Go. I'll go coiro in. Year nine. And then I didn't really come back into school. properly again until maybe like. Three weeks before Mudgee says he's which stop. And That was literally any more schools in like a frantic we need to get this kid today's exams and. Basically. It was just a case of semi downtown. Me Walk Exams, I was GONNA set and leave meter and. Had some teachers that were ready right and some teachers that were less say So I had varying degrees of helping different subjects which basically meant now had very little. Tom. Sawyer Myself Out and. So we just went into it with. Nothing to lead you just go a God I'm not. She came out. I Proud of that Spanish, because I, no chance I'm going into it on I think. On the plus it has showed me that like. Kremlin is a technique. Just, doing nothing lucky to get that knock before your deadline over for your examined you competing stumped. Forget who the people that the alike I'm sorry. This is really bothered me to site but let forget people saying, Oh, it's really important Vida sleep. It's more important to have some degree of knowledge about what you would go out to an example and I think. Trump is north communism not useless like I wouldn't advise it. But if you nothing then chromium is there any place is your only option and you should definitely take. The negative saw of die experience on or I did I've, still Kremlin. Is I. has completely lock shaped my stations of every other exam I've sat since and every deadline more or less thought to mate. So I levels coursework. Assignments at university. I'm not the person. To like. Talk to you about being prepared. And Doing a little luck religion and stuff but. I will endeavour to change this I'm just saying the Kremlin. Go is going east of it. Decent. Kremlin. I mean I mean. Three weeks like to get will that work done is like Merck Guys Redmond breath yet cruise just like that just proves how like you know. HOW COMING WORKS? It's an amazing system guys. Will teach you guys here you know like it's it's like three weeks guys. He lent his entire season three weeks and he's still eating.

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Apple forces the industry down to one-year web browser certificate lifespans

Security Now

06:26 min | 7 months ago

Apple forces the industry down to one-year web browser certificate lifespans

"February We talked about apple's surprise announcement during the CA Browser Forum. That in the future. And this was just unilateral that in the future it. First Affari on all of its platforms would rejecting any web server certificate having a not valid before date, which is technically the way the the date ranges stated, so it's very clear, not valid before. Date after August thirty first of this year of Twenty Twenty! And, which has a certificate lifetime greater than total lifetime greater than three hundred ninety eight days, so in other words starting just two months from now that is to say from September first on all CA certificates issued for use by web. Browsers must be issued with a one year plus thirty three days lifetime or shorter, not longer so this is the death of the more arguably convenient two or three year web server search that we've traditionally been using. Essentially sort of apple, biting the bullet and pushing an issue that the various non certificate authority participants in the so-called. The CAB forum to see a browser forum had been asking for for a long time. Google had put forth this issue. This measure for a vote at at the prior meeting and it had been in voted down. In a partisan vote by the certificate authorities said No. We don't want to shorten. Server certificates to a year. Well, Apple said okay tough. We're just we're just knocking on. Accept any and arguably safari is strong enough that Basically. They forced the issue so. When I talked about this initially in February. I discussed the many implications of this in great depth and detail so I'm not going to go into all that again if anyone. has joined us since then or wants a refresher. It's back in February. The reason this is back in the news. Is that now? The other two significant browsers in the industry, Mozilla and Google. Premium based offshoots of of Google's chrome browser have also announced there exactly aligned policies yes. Roy. Resting Wow. Yes that'll Ryan sleepy. Yeah he posted in. As sort of like they're, they're equivalent of things. We're going to change in the chromium blog. He said in force three ninety eight day validity for certificates issued on or after twenty, twenty, nine, a one September first of this year, and then the body of the messages enforce publicly trusted t LS server certificates have a lifetime of three hundred ninety eight days or less, if they are issued honor after you know September first twenty twenty and he said certificates that violate this will be rejected with an and the error. is error certificate validity too long and we'll be treated as miss issued. And also following up. Mozilla is Kathleen Wilson posted. Limit Reuse of domain name verification to three ninety five days and that was. A pound two. Oh six. And I think she did say three ninety five. I copied and pasted so that they're off by three three ninety eight. I believe that because our member three thirty one year plus thirty three was. That's just sort of give people a little bit such room. So. There is a long and very interesting discussion for people who've like such things. among the industry insiders who are the ones who make these essentially earthmoving decisions so I've included the Google groups discussion through a link in the show notes for anyone who's interested. I. Mean It's you know it's back and forth and a lot of discussion, but basically it comes down to well. You know this is what we wanted. Thank you apple for a biting the bullet. I. WE'RE ALL GONNA. Jump on board, so I mean so. And you know th the certificate authorities will end up changing their model rather than like for example you having to have a a cash transaction annually. You'll be able to. Purchase some block of time that you WANNA have certificates from them. And I imagine since that does create a little bit of lock in that they may extend that. You know they may say. Hey, we know. Stay with us, com-, commit to staying with us for ten years and we will lower the per year cost of certificates, and then it'll be like you know you log into your account, and basically you re issue a certificate before the one you have expires. What this will also do. We always run across instances where people are forgetting or sort of. Like it laps, or maybe it's a holiday, or it's a covert nineteen event one way or the other server certificates are expiring, and they're finding out only when people are screaming that they can no longer access the website, so maybe it being an annual thing, and it's as opposed to for example every three years, which maybe you're more likely to forget. That might help prevent that

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Why Do We Get Bags Under Our Eyes?

BrainStuff

05:08 min | 7 months ago

Why Do We Get Bags Under Our Eyes?

"When I was growing up, I had a science teacher named Mr Thayer. He had these really deep set eyes with dark circles around them and loose baggy skin underneath at the time. I thought his eyes were really cool like they made him. Look wise and knowledgeable, and now I'm probably the same age Mr Thera was then and I've got bags under my eyes, but they don't seem as cool now. They just make me look tired all the time, but here's the thing sooner or later. All of us are going to have them. We all get bags under our eyes. So what causes them anyways? And how should we treat them? Them, well, there are lots of possible causes for what scientifically known as para, orbital, hyper chromium, but the most obvious one is aging see, we may not like to talk about this in certain circles, but we all have fat above below and behind our is for cushioning. This is in case. Something slams into your I like say a fist. The fat will take most of the blow and save your SCO from some damage, but as we get older, the Septum orbital ligaments in our skin decompose, and all that gooey fat pushes down, and out in the skin, loosens into swollen puffy bags, and this thin weeks skin exposes the tiny blood vessels underneath making our fat. I bags. Look Darker. Also as we lose volume around our is our orbital bones are exposed creating a kind of depressed gutter, revealing our eyes sockets. If you've already got forward, said is in receiving cheekbones. Those gutters are going to look even deeper, and there are reasons other than aging that contribute to these lovely dark fat bags under our eyes genetic help if your mother or father have eye bags, you probably will to also any kind of fluid buildup around the is is going to make the bags worse because fat cells are mainly made of water sinus infections from. For instance, which I often get stretched the skin under your eyes, even more also crying right before bed, which I often do has the same effect when you get bags under your eyes from fluid retention like this there most noticeable in the morning, other causes of water attention under your eyes can include salty food and premenstrual hormonal changes, and let's face it if you're up late. Burning the candle at both. Both ends that doesn't help either neither does a lack of exercise, but if you're really looking for something else to blame, those dark circles are sometimes caused by an excess of Melanin pigmentation deposits in the skin. So I know you're all out there, wondering but Christian. What's your secret? How do you treat your bags? Well? Of course, you can always cover them up with makeup or you can turn to. To your friendly neighborhood doctor for needles and SCALPELS 's for instance, dermatologists often inject wrinkle fillers with awesome names like Juvenile Durham and wrestling under eye muscles to reduce their baggage mix that with some bow talks, and you'll look years younger. It's only a couple thousand dollars every eight months, or you can spend big and go under the knife for surgery. The official name is Blah Ferro plastic and how it. It works is the doctor makes a few incisions in your eyelid melts the fat inside of there, and either removes it or repositions it sometimes they even add more with fat grafts, then they tuck in the remaining loose skin and use lasers to firm it up, sounds cool right, and if pigment is your problem, they can blasted with intense pulse lights to destroy your cells and smooth out your skin. Okay so maybe you're thinking now. Christian I don't want someone to stab me in the eyes or Christian I'm cool with the stabbing in the burning, but that surgery sounds awfully expensive well, here's a couple home remedies I can share with you if the bags under your eyes are from fluid retention rather than aging, you can cool something like a cucumber slice or tea bags and place them on your is. The cold will restrict your blood vessels and reduce the swelling. Some people. Cream made a fish cartilage compounds to. To keep the vessels from expanding in the first place, you can also try sleeping with an extra pillow to elevate your head, so the fluid just drains out of your face while you're sleeping or change the position you're sleeping in like if you have one of those weird one droopy eyelids, that's probably because you sleep on your side and gravity is taking effect. People put all kinds of stuff on their eyelids to reduce swelling everything from vitamins to Henry Cream, and some recommend that you quit cigarettes and put sunscreen. Your eyes because both smoking and sunlight can weaken the Collagen in your face and cause premature fat bag sagging. So here's the deal. We may not like the bags under our eyes, but they're usually harmless, but if you've got swollen, red, itching painful is, you should probably go see a doctor.

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Burst EXPAND- burst 04

Ubuntu Podcast

00:47 sec | 7 months ago

Burst EXPAND- burst 04

"BASE SNAPS STUDENT Bank proprietary. You call audio. Modify. Stay right, but you can't. You can order or modify chromium. Yes, Yay. But you can't. You can't order or modified version of chromium, the UK in snap well when you say you can't audited. There's a couple of things that so you can audit. Watts snapped does on your system with command snap changes, which will town you everything that he's been up to? And then you can dig into that on the snap is not basis to see when it was updated versions. The move between in terms of auditing them. They're just disqualifies file that gets mounted than is compressed. It's just a directory of stuff you can go in there and look at every single file you can. You can enumerate every file in. You

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S13E11  Inside out clothes - burst 3

Ubuntu Podcast

02:49 min | 8 months ago

S13E11 Inside out clothes - burst 3

"Responded in this way. Fails a little bit hostile to me. You know because I think this post goes on to say that they're going to. Essentially make anything that once snapped a as dependency and act to be forcibly denied the ability to install snap day. And the reason why I fail, this is may be. A little bit on Fanta Lennox main users is if you look at the statistics for snap adoption, which are you can see publicly if you go and look at snap Kroft. Slash coal all slash core eighteen. Those are snaps. That are installed on all or most systems that have a snap installed. You will say after a boon to Lennox men is the second most popular platform for having uses installing snaps, and this is despite the fact that you know Lennox men you know that they can choose their own path, but they have chosen the you know a different different palmful would and they don't have a snap stole by default, and they don't promote snaps by default, but nevertheless, Lennox users are choosing to install snaps. And they're now going to make us jump through additional hoops, and there's a law of valuable software. In snap stole that you can't easily get unless you store as a snap. Say a fail like this is not just. Hostile, but little bit US style to to their own uses. And I feel it bit side because you know we've been able to work with. Mine Jar another destroys and. Come up with a puff. Workable way forwards West snaps can be a first class citizen. You know in other distributions whereas a good job. Lennox are in control of their repos and. Their own binders and therefore. Make these decisions for themselves or hang on a minute. They piggybacking on a boon to we and that's the thing is if they actually want us to have access to chromium. It's yeah, it's worth pointing out that Crimea the upstream project. They don't actually supply much in terms of. Packages that basically, if you, if you want a particular version of chromium, you can go hunting around. Basically a file listing to try and get the version that you want. The the point is that they want you to use crime Crimea Ms Raza sort of a nicety to the open source community, so there's work that goes in to anyone who wants to package it for. They destroy, which is why there's a stop rather than DEB. Because it was a lot easier to to maintain that for the versions of binti,

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Expand - test 2 (real expand)

Ubuntu Podcast

02:03 min | 8 months ago

Expand - test 2 (real expand)

"A little bit on Fanta Lennox main users is if you look at the statistics for snap adoption, which are you can see publicly if you go and look at snap Kroft. Slash coal all slash core eighteen. Those are snaps. That are installed on all or most systems that have a snap installed. You will say after a boon to Lennox men is the second most popular platform for having uses installing snaps, and this is despite the fact that you know Lennox men. You know that they can choose their own path, but they have chosen the you know a different different palmful would and they don't have a snap stole by default, and they don't promote snaps by default, but nevertheless Lennox. Users are choosing to install snaps. And they're now going to make us jump through additional hoops, and there's a law of valuable software. In snap stole that. You can't easily get unless you store as a snap. Say a fail like this is not just. Hostile, but little bit US style to to their own uses. And I feel it bit side because you know we've been able to work with. Mine Jar another destroys and. Come up with a puff. Workable way forwards West snaps can be a first class citizen. You know in other distributions whereas a good job. Lennox are in control of their repose and compete with around binders and therefore. Make these decisions for themselves or hang on a minute. They piggybacking on a boon to we and that's the thing is if they actually want us to have access to chromium. It's yeah, it's worth pointing out that Crimea the upstream project. They don't actually supply much in terms of. Packages that, basically, if you, if you want a particular version of chromium, you go hunting around. Basically a

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My new expand burst - 01

Ubuntu Podcast

04:43 min | 8 months ago

My new expand burst - 01

"I have to say after all the grueling twenty hours of scratching the weekend. We're probably about eighty percent of the way there, so I consider myself quite competent scratch developer now. Wow, but isn't the whole point of it that it was written in Bash and that's why it's cold well. Yes, I mean that was. That was obviously the the rematch. Full You know absolutely dominating the the wind. You Know Gaming Gaming Bash challenge last. Yea, remarks, text based game with elements was pretty good. It, was that game was cooled pig by the way Joe. I suppose the thing is is that my daughter's just start just started sort of embraced grant. She's at that age where scratches a thing this on the curriculum at school, and we're doing homeschooling right now on I get to pick up the computing part of that, or at least my wife has been picking helping conjunction with Code Club the streaming from our local library and but my daughter having not shown any interesting scratch or computers until very recently now absolutely loves the and every span moment she wants to be doing scratch and over the last six weeks, or so has literally created hundreds of scratch projects. So she's got into remixing other people's stuff. So you know in scratch you can log in. Find it interesting project, and then tinker with it, and she's been doing that I wanted to break that cycle a little bit and show her that she could create her own things, so given that she helped me make an alien attack. I thought let's reimagined that game in scratch. Cooking already understood it a new what we were trying to do that. So that's what? What we've been working on actually have to say the scratch version very good very playable right now is available as a snap not yet, but I. Did discover earlier today that there is a project code scratcher Prater, which is a scratch interpreted, compile scratch into binary his sire. If I can get that, and that is a snap, but if I can compile this game into a snap them finally, maybe and see alien untangle be available as a snap well. Right let's show. And now it's time for the community news and I up in the Community News Mint has announced. It's going to break chromium in apt. So, this was. A follow on from some comments that the main project made about. Snaps Awhile bike some criticisms they had about how it removes control. I think criticisms were mainly about how it removes control from district makers I'm not sure that I agree with most their point, spout removing control from the uses. But what they've decided to do is make so that. Won't be able to install snappy as a result of installing another package. And because in a boon to which lex mint is based on chromium is installed as a snap. and. Upgrades from previous versions. We might have been as Deb by installing a snap with the package. It now means that chromium white be able to be installed throughout. So have been actually broken kramer an APP. It doesn't sound like a broken chromium. Well according to their monthy news post, it says that they are deliberately breaking it so that if you try and instill Carmen via apt. It will just tell you why it's broken, and that is because instead of insulting. Stop the and pulling down the snap of it. They're blocking that by default. You will then be able to manually install snap day and then snap install chrome if you want to, but they are kind of making a point here kind of drawing a line in the sand, saying we don't agree with this, and so we're going to try and Bob. This barrier to educate people about it, okay. I was quite surprised when I read this today. Because obviously, we made these changes in into like seven or eight months ago, and it was well documented Y. we will making this change in the fact that we were making this change. On I suppose, it's a bit disheartening to see the Lennox of responded in this way. Fails a

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S13E11  Inside out clothes - burst 05

Ubuntu Podcast

00:49 sec | 8 months ago

S13E11 Inside out clothes - burst 05

"And. Upgrades from previous versions we might have been as Deb by installing a snap with the package. It now means that chromium white be able to be installed throughout. So have been actually broken Kramer, an APP it doesn't sound like a broken chromium. Well according to their monthy news post, it says that they are deliberately breaking it so that if you try and instill Carmen via apt. It will just tell you why it's broken, and that is because instead of insulting. Stop the and pulling down the snap of it. They're blocking that by default. You will then be able to manually install snap day and then snap install chrome if you want to, but they are kind of making a point here kind of drawing a line in the sand. Saying

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Ubuntu Podcast

00:39 sec | 8 months ago

Expand - test 1 - 2

"As a result of installing another package. And, because in a boon to which lex mint is based on chromium is installed as a snap. and. Upgrades from previous versions we might have been as Deb by installing a snap with the package. It now means that chromium white be able to be installed throughout. So have been actually broken kramer an APP it doesn't sound like a broken chromium. According to their monthy news post it says that they are deliberately breaking it so that if you try and instill

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Microsoft’s Chromium Edge is getting Vertical Tabs, Smart Copy, and Password Monitor

Daily Tech News Show

00:22 sec | 10 months ago

Microsoft’s Chromium Edge is getting Vertical Tabs, Smart Copy, and Password Monitor

"And the chromium based version of Microsoft edge getting vertical tabs in its preview channels. Within the next few months it will also get smart copy which can among other things preserved table format even when you copy from a website password monitoring edge will notify. You've had finds one of your passwords has been stolen and helped you change that password. Microsoft also announced its collections. Bookmark feature will come to mobile later. This year

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What's Your Opinion?

The Sustainable Futures Report

05:12 min | 10 months ago

What's Your Opinion?

"What's your opinion? Hello this is Anthony J with an early sustainable futures report. It's Tuesday the twenty Munch Code Nineteen the current virus is in everybody's minds and increasingly affecting everybody's lives is the sustainable futures report relevant in these times. I need to know what you think. My opinion is that it is relevant because the climate crisis will still be with us after this viruses being defeated. Maybe Mao Tse. Maybe yes but one thing is certain on that is that we will have to rebuild our world when all this is over you may argue that how we rebuild it is a political issue and deny that both the corona virus and the climate emergency issues can be addressed and defeated only by international cooperation between governments last political someone once described the sustainable futures report as green but increasingly red. Let's not put labels on people's opinions. Let's look for pragmatic solutions to where we are. If you're not like what you perceive my politics you don't have to listen but I much prefer if you shed your views. Either in comments to the blog go direct to me at mail at Antony Dash Day. Don't come all we can discuss this online. Many of US forty feel powerless. Because the most we can do is simply to sit at home. What he is or indeed sitting at home without work on new experiences for many is going to be stressful. Thank goodness we have the Internet Social Media Web conferencing to give us some social interaction. I went to four meetings. Las Week without leaving my desk. I chatted with people in Germany South Africa on as well as in the UK. I'm sending out a conference invitation to all my patrons to take place this next Friday. The twenty seventh of March. Given that your in different time zones. I may propose to separate sessions. Surely this is an opportunity to get together. Decide what we can do together even if you can't take pot but a sitting with little to do take the opportunity to reflect on how the world will change once this is over and how you would like it to change on how we can achieve about change and so to this week's topic. This is what I intended to do. But it needs a lot more work so for the moment. This is just an overview. I said last time that the sustainable futures report has been too tightly focused on the wealthy west and so this time I was going to look at Africa. That's probably my biggest mistake. You could almost say that is no such place as Africa yeah. There is a continent called Africa. The world's second largest and second most populous continent offer Asia. We appear reveals that had extends to about thirteen point three million square kilometers which is pumped seven million square miles when it's midsummer in the north. It's midwinter in the south. It contains fifty four fully recognized sovereign states or countries eight territories and to de facto independent states with limited or no recognition. The continent is believed to hold ninety percent of the world's Kobylt ninety percent of its platinum fifty percent of its gold ninety eight percent of its chromium seventy percent of its tantalite. Sixty four percent of its manganese on one third of its uranium. The Democratic Republic of Congo has seventy percent of the world's Coltan a mineral used in the production of tons of 'em capacities addict devices. Such as cell phones the DRC also has more than thirty percents of the world's diamond reserves. Guinea is the world's largest exporter of bauxite and yet Africa's turtle knowing will gd pay remains behind that of the United States. China Japan Germany. The United Kingdom India and France as the growth in Africa has been driven mainly by services and not manufacturing or agriculture is being growth without jobs and without reduction in poverty levels in fact the food security crisis of two thousand and eight which took place on the heels of the global financial crisis pushed a hundred million people into food insecurity identity. Get sensible to ask. How does Climate Change Affect Africa? Africa is so diverse. I'M GONNA start with one country in follow up with others later. Nigeria which has the biggest population of any nation in Africa will be my first choice. But I'm going to defer that until after online discussion after we've agreed where. The sustainable futures report should go from here.

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"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

Windows Weekly

03:52 min | 1 year ago

"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

"It can really see it and turn off. Third party cookies if that's all stop Absolutely. salute. By the way, that's off by default and safari. Yeah. Yeah. I it's not off by default and chrome because chrome is an advertising company. So if you think about the three choices, whatever the names were I mean, I think they basically boil down to all cookies, I'm oversimplifying, obviously. But all cookies first party, cookies only know cookies, you know, this is exactly what I I think it's more than that. But I think that's a glaze of it. I put it in big letters. Yeah. No. I think it's I think it's a little bit more than that. But I, but now here's a question foundation from the day, they said, we're gonna put chromium we're gonna use chromium z engine for edge blots of people were wondering, I if Microsoft contributes back something like this into the chromium project, and by the way, the pointed out nice job, Microsoft that they've got hundreds of commits back into chromium already for things like accessibility, which is fantastic. And if they start committing back these privacy things will Google. Ignore them LA treated, like a fork what's going to what's going to happen. I I can't imagine that this Gogol whatever put in by the way. Tomorrow. We'll hear some of this at Google think it was a rumor today that Google is about to announce some privacy controls for chrome. Then who knows maybe the impetus for this might be what this is based on right, whatever. Google does around privacy and chrome you can expect Microsoft to go further. Yeah. Because they don't they're add businesses failed. So. It's growing. But it's not just that. There is not as big as goggles or whatever. That's not really the point. I mean, the point is that is the point of chrome, and that's not the point Microsoft's, not gonna let us have sit and cry. Yeah. Yeah. And it's part of a marketing effort to say, it's not just apple Microsoft to on, you know, in in contrary to Google and Facebook is a private fi have come ever since apple started talking privacy. I was smart move Microsoft needs to do this. And the word privacy was up there on the stage behind sketch. Adela? So so this three this what looked like more cosmetic? They had infected reminded me a lot of the old windows days. They had unrestricted restricted or strict, and then balanced that three kind of generalized privacy settings and you could drill down within those that reminded me very much turn. Remember what what the windows it had? It was in. I e something similar, right? I can't remember what it was. You know, this stuff is kinda hidden and browsers now to summary. Upfront and big plain English and. Yeah. Just so people can understand it. Yeah. I think this is going to be though, maybe an area of tension between Microsoft and Google. You know, we're going to see I, you know, the very story about the the story behind Microsoft, embracing edge chromium, rather and completely absent from that story is the one thing we've always sort of suspected, which is they have no high level relationship around this at all the Gogol chromium engineers of the guys working Cromer kind of embracing what Microsoft doing, but that doesn't speak to a corporate strategy on either company's behalf at all. And that's still an open question. Not a partnership. It's not even. Collaborate. Cooperation. If so, but but I know I think this is do you think that really what is signaled here is an increased focus on privacy that Microsoft because frankly, there are a lot of people who say Microsoft is not a privacy company. And there's a lot of talk about the tracking built into windows ten they want..

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"chromium" Discussed on Security Now

Security Now

02:25 min | 1 year ago

"chromium" Discussed on Security Now

"There's a download page they declare that. So this is just a reminder listeners or if someone has skipped a couple podcasts. Microsoft apparently threw in the towel capitulation seems to be the word of the week on the podcast just gave up all of the work that they had put into their edge browser which was arguably very good work and said, let's just use chromium. Let's use the open source browser, which, of course, Google's project chromium has famously created ad which is, you know, soap, it will the number one browser on the internet despite all efforts of Microsoft's to make it hard for people to to make that change people want to use chrome and on have to I have to say everywhere, I go. I mean, I'm still holding onto fire FOX, I I like fire FOX. It is arguably becoming in there. There's it's differentiation from chrome is increasing as as it as fire FOX continues to maintain more of an independent non ad supporting non tracking profile and mostly. I just like the you. I I mean, a browser is is almost all about the user interface and and fire FOX allows integrated. Vertical tabs down the left hand side that I cannot live without. I mean until I until I can't do that. Or until chrome allows me to do that. And there's been some talk about it. I'm using Firefox because you know, you I on a browser matters. Anyway. So Microsoft gave up their switching to chromium. The early reports from the leaked copy were all glowing. I mean, it was you know, basically, it's chrome with an edge wrapper around it from Microsoft. Well, it's gone official. Wit it for windows. Ten is now available and interestingly they intend to make it available officially for windows, seven eight eight point one and MAC OS..

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"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

Windows Weekly

04:30 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

"Modern up-to-date read the reviews, you'll know everything you need to know to make the right choice, and we are really happy. Capterra exists because I can just point people there. So I don't know but capterra dice. All right. I have to now press some strange buttons. And invoke in some incantations. Is this Akito thing? It's a Kita and in in with any luck. Let me get that dead chicken and swinging around my head here. Hold on with any luck. Richard campbell. Will join us in the mid Siham, but not hear him. Okay. So we can areas. We here. It's not talking. That's all. Richard. His radio. Hello, welcome. Joey snowy north west. Oh, man. Are you? Now, I'm in Vancouver. Where Justice snowiest Seattle. We're just not that panicked about it. Yeah. You're canadians. Hoover Washington makeover Candido, though, the real the real Hoover. Awesome. Yeah. Canadians take this with. Saying don't get a lot of snow here. Right. Like, we're the we're the party candidate the rest of Canada's berry offended by. Because there's so little snow here. But yeah, it's been a pretty ethics two k. I'm wearing my flannel. A. All right. Why is Richard here? Besides effect. We just love him. I don't know. I've been watching the whole show at it's like, I got comments on everything you guys have doing not the least. This is Bloomberg on certainty principle, it's the observer effect. Oh, pardon me. Miss town. If I had known you were listening. I would have gotten it, right? These these numskulls won't know the difference. We just nodded are has we had no. That sounds that sounds right. Richards on the show is we were talking back and forth on Email about the coming edged browser that's going to have chromium underneath, and he has some very interesting and not so crazy ideas about what might happen when this incomes out. It's it's a strange time. You know, these big companies now are playing in what used to be this, Richard stolman? Everything is free open source community and Microsoft's now the largest contributor of open source blinds of code and get hub and Google has been doing the same thing for many many years in the chromium engine. An is all open source, right? It's all free to beat there. But as these companies start to run into each other. You're seeing some interesting political physics in this chromium is one Cooper Netease is one of the great examples the container technology right Brendon burns working for McCoy. Google they've been making this thing. It was used internally for years. They put it out into the world and imprinted burns goes to joins Microsoft. And he still the league contributor for daddy's. Of course, given any easy spread everywhere. But as soon as this announcement around chromium came along you like how is this going to work, you know, browsers more than just it chromium is just a rendering engines bunch of things, but they're going to focus on the rendering engine part. And that makes a lot of sense because we like our pages to render well and edges just always struggled to to render well with the rest of the browser. Let's going to be different. Yeah. So I start working through that Microsoft is contributing to open source projects chromium lives on get hub. They're going to start contributing to chromium, but it sooner or later your gonna hit a point where it's like, the there's one contributor going this way and one contributed going the other way, and it still all Google employees. That are the trolling the guys who can accept the pull requests, they ministers and so forth. So they might media question when I saw this is. Okay. Well, when are you going to fork it a man, but if they fork it what's the point? Right. It blows the whole thing. Well, the real question you have to ask is why are they doing this at all? Like why why make a browser? Heck, why does Google makeup browser? Like, what's the point of making browser costs a lot of money make browser the chromium project that Norma's we know Google makes a browser. That's not really a mystery. This is drives traffic, and they they make a lot of money on search traffic, and if the browser has. Yeah. But my Microsoft has complete..

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"chromium" Discussed on Security Now

Security Now

03:04 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Security Now

"You got a lot of holes. That's. Yeah. That's up high whole works. Okay. It are there browsers that you think at some point they'll be I don't think he was going to do an expert in inexpert version of chrome, but at some point fire FOX or some other browser might be the experts browser. Yes. I I mean, I think that I could see that being the way this Volvo is that, you know, fire FOX wants to hold onto a niche, and that would be of new niche for them to have and Lord knows if they're ten million people that have downloaded tonk monkey. What was that thing called? You better not s with me tamper monkey. I don't know who ten million people are injecting scripts into the okay? Well, you know, you really have your propellers while I'm pretty tight, I guess at this Bill, you know, it's really chromium versus the rest of the world. And so, you know, in fact, one one macro soft develop said, firefighter, just stop sushi just give up and join the rest of the world. So the b one web standard chromium now that edge is going with chromium. I completely disagree and this. Yeah, this is an opportunity for fire FOX to find a niche and the Mozilla team is staying. I mean at par they're keeping up in performance and speed, and they're staying with the standards, and you know, they still have the best side tabs. I can't you know. I mean, there's nothing better than that. So yeah, I'm I'm glad they're they're hanging in there. And if people say cure, that's not going to be good. What's less secure, well because they support these extensions? That more vulnerable that wouldn't be good. Yeah. I don't know. Do you use chrome? That's just what they at. And you don't you're not. And I think you were you said this already, but I just want to make it clear. There's no implicated in that Google's doing this because they don't want ad blockers. This is a security. No, no, in fact, AB adblocker plus because it's a simple mono tonic filter could continue to be used. But apparently they're trying to limit the number of filter rules that can be imposed. So if that happens, then we'll have to choose like, the most important thirty two thirty thousand believe it or not, and maybe, you know, lose some of the obscure ones, but no this would allow ad blocking. Just not the they'll start exactly where it's doing all. It's like a multi factor filter where it's hooked in all over the place and doing all kinds of allowing you to have a multimodal. Filter of different kinds of things. Well, yeah, this'll be interesting to watch as it develops. I'm just glad we have a dialogue. Just as long as there's discussion. There's yeah. And this is a proposal from Google. This isn't written in stone yet. Yep. And they're discussing it. Yeah. And they're hearing I hope the and we're done discussing Lear.

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"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

Windows Weekly

03:34 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

"Get it. Updated constantly, basically, what's chromium schedule is at once a month or once. Once a month. Roughly is it. You know, I think so if it's not it's within two months. It's a very quick a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if they have a scheduled for updating, but they do up data line. Yeah. I don't think it's formal. But I I wouldn't be surprised if it was a month to six weeks, it's very quick. And these things kind of Bing Bing happened. And I'm also I'm curious what you guys think about this concept of bringing it to win a seven and eight one because windows seven in particular has about a year left in its supported life cycle. Why would you do this now? I mean, I when Microsoft ten okay? They should have done this all along. So what what why why do this? Now, not why do why do this now? Well, so the windows seven support ends January twenty twenty but there are a ton of enterprises who are going to have the extended support contracts for at least three more years. So this is not just going to end in twenty twenty. There's three more years. People be using windows. Seven is a supported operating system. Yeah. We're still half. Only. Half of all users are still using windows. Ten most you're still using windows. Seven now. Well, if you go to the chromium site, they have calendar stretching into the end of next year for when they're gonna do releases all the way up through Seventy-nine. They they're subject to change, obviously. But they have dates associated with. Yeah. What schedule so we're currently on seventy two seventy three comes out January twenty fourth and March seventh for seventy four April eighteenth may thirty th July twenty fifth fifth six weeks. And then that's brand what they call branch points stable dates. Hello. Lou coming are often shortly after or sometimes weeks after but there, but they also have stable dates December tenth twenty nineteen. We'll get seventy nine that's the estimated week of stable. So this is a pretty well organized open source project because it's really go. Yeah. The other thing, I find interesting, and I don't know how this means at all. But chrome OS is based on chromium as well. There's chromium O. Yeah. I don't know what that means for Chromebooks. Maybe that that rumor that windows would run on Chromebooks, maybe that was a little confused. Maybe it's the Chromebooks will run on windows. Well, so they're, you know, they're these companies that make a chrome OS you're gonna ply to. Yeah. They don't work for everyone. But those are probably based on chromium they are there based on crummy question here. This is not something Microsoft would ever talk about now because I've ever even announced it, but this windows light OS Mary Jo has been talking about recently. How does this impact that because that's a Chromebook competitor? It's basically Chroma west but with edge. But now that chromium. Gets a little interesting. So. We can only speculate, but that's interesting right there. So so what I've heard about that is. It's a little bit complicated. So light this thing Brad found out about windows light is we think it's windows core. Elesse restricted so almost like windows ten in S-mode, except based on windows core OS with a very different look and feel in terms of the definitely meant to be a Chromebook Chroma west competitor. As is, you know, the possibility of this kind of a browser..

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"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

Windows Weekly

03:01 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Windows Weekly

"That's the you know, the the positive way to look at it as standard. The pro Leo's from standard set by the w three c it's a standard set by a corporation or is open. It is open source. Yeah. Yeah. Technically, Microsoft could fork chromium. But that would kinda defeat the purpose in a way of chromium, by the By way. the way, if that happens something went horribly wrong. Exactly chromium is the open source project upon which chrome is based correct? And a lot of other browsers not anything with electron is based. And if you use Lennox you can download chrome, but you can also download chromium as a browser itself. Actually can get chromium windows can't presume you can. Yeah. What's the difference between chrome and chromium? Google tracking. Probably. Chromium tracking to Dobie. What's in there? Something from Dobie is in chrome. That's not in chromium patents to patent encumbered stuff might be in chrome. Yeah. Yeah. There's there are differences between the two. Yeah. But I you know, I go back. I I agree with Paul on this that I think they had to throw in the towel because developers weren't testing for edge because it wasn't based on chromium. And the result was there are many JavaScript heavy pages and sites that wouldn't work correctly. And sometimes almost at all in Ed. It's a lot of good. I'm sorry. That was just browser. Even if it's the most standards compliant browser people, don't use it and it right? Yeah. It's a lot of effort in money and resources directed at something that the news had ever benefits from unless you do it. And then they don't know that you know, I it's it's a terrible thing to have to work on if it's unnecessary. And I I know, you know, for Microsoft because it doesn't mentality there that they make things and we've always done it this way, and this is not the right place for them to be expanding effort. And it's easier for developers if there's a single or at least a couple of targets hit. Rather than dozens which like marriage us. They're not doing anyway because I have three or four percent usage share. So why bothering? We'll at the other thing. Leo. Did you hear you probably heard this? They're also bringing edge as part of this to windows, seven eight one and the MAC. Yeah. Android. But now it will on MacIntosh two. There's also a small hint at might even come to Lennox, which is kind of crazy. But yeah, because if you look at the way, they worded it they said we're going to bring it to other platforms to like MAC OS. It's a subtle hint. They saying it's definitely going to happen. But it's it's a possibility. Go ahead..

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"chromium" Discussed on The Vergecast

The Vergecast

02:21 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on The Vergecast

"Is switching the rendering engine from edge to chromium, which is the Google open source project that is chrome. So this is a huge deal. Right. Could even like walk that back there actually switching to blink. Which is the fork of web kit that chrome uses to render the web, and then a V eight the Java scrip- rendering engine that chrome that Google Chrome us as well. So it's turning edge into a chromium browser and they're contributing to the chromium open source project. They're like they're going all in on the rendering engine, and like the the the philosophy in the way of making a web page happen that Google has been working on that they used to be friends with apple on. And now, they're not quite so friendly, and it's a huge deal for lots of reasons, which I am sorry to interrupt. But I just wanted to say plink. So Microsoft had its own rendering engine in. There's there's a world in which having three competing rendering engines four if you count Mozilla, but these are the three big platforms, right chrome windows IOS, which is where by kit lives. These are the defaults. So this is a huge deal for so many people. So it's better to have more rendering engines because that makes the standards on the web more robust. But now we're coming down to two is that a good thing or a bad thing. It's tough because as a person who has purchased a surface, go tablet. I cannot wait to have the default web browser that. So I I'll using the default web browser safari on MAC, for example. It just tends to be faster because like there's other parts of the us that do web stuff. And so you don't have to rendering engines going, and it feels more optimized so having chrome on having a chrome rep chromium web browser be the default on windows is good. It'd be great for me. Assuming it doesn't destroy battery life, which it often does because. Because chrome just like the web works better on chrome web browsers than it does on edge web browsers it just does and that is often because developers are only coating to that and web kit. And so you can be mad about that. You can call them lazy. You could say that they're under in enormous pressure. And it's too hard to code every single different web.

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"chromium" Discussed on Rocket

Rocket

02:10 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Rocket

"Yeah. Don't get you a new one. I never considered like now. Listen, there have been wonderful wonderful. Rumors a story by window central reported that Microsoft is allegedly building a new chromium browser to replace Microsoft edge. Because edge HTML is lagging so far behind chromium and Google Chrome itself has as I learned today from Jeff thank you. Google Chrome hasn't massive my share of the Marquette compared to other answers. Yup. Tell tell me more about this in what it means basically for an r rest in peace is default browser of windows, ten of happy to give a little background, and I was actually at Microsoft when edge was being invested in a lot. I was it was a very different team. So full disclosure I worked there, but I'm no longer there. And these opinions are completely my own which is probably good because Microsoft might not like what happened about not stand to come to his hand. Oh now, that's she. Been here. The whole time. So just to give a little background. Back in the day in the nineties, Internet Explorer had huge dominant market share from Microsoft, and that was part of like what led to the antitrust suit between Microsoft and the federal government because they had snuffed out Netscape which used to be the most dominant browser. So there was a period from like I wanna say ninety eight two maybe two thousand seven two thousand eight where I e was the dominant browser. What happened was in oath three? Oh, four fire foxes in open source alternative began gaining some traction. And then Google launch chrome. I wanna say an old eight or nine and apple had safari, but you know, on the it was on a MAC and MAC tiny desktop share. Well, if you fast forward to August of two thousand eighteen which is where we have the stats in terms of desktop web browsers. So to be clear, this is not web using the web on your phone.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

01:43 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"And what looks like a really simple issue actually ends up being tons and tons of maintenance work and headaches and it sounds like a lot of that is because of the cross platform aspect of it you've the fact that you do have to be compliant with ex and and android and windows and and i was looking at some of the best practices within the chromium team around how these things are shipped how you ship operating specific platform specific notions of code for each of these different platforms and you from what i saw you you have just these different files like in in a in a given directory for the chromium project you might have eight different files and you know each of them executes only on a specific operating system version or some specific user agent virgin so this has been one of the most humbling things i think starting on chrome is israel is just how difficult multiplatform development is because again you have you'll have these different versions of feature an it turns out that like these these might be really well tested on windows and lennox but because mac works somewhat differently it's a little bit hard to write tests for that and so then you end up getting regressions and bugs on mac so it has been getting better over time i think that we've been putting a lot of effort into making sure that things work as close to each other on different platforms as we can but like for example scroll bars are still an example of something that is really difficult to make common and consistent across all the platforms so i knew you should you doing most of your work these days on blink which you said it's the rendering engine yes but do you have to.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

03:27 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"I think i realized it's that the color of the aero changes so i you know you have to you see the green arrow i and that just means hey the browser has updated and you should restart it and then when it turns yellow and eventually read it's saying hey this is actually more imperative you really need to restart your browser right yes so what that saying is it's already it's already downloaded all everything that you need in the background and all you need to do is restart i see those arrows sometimes too in it is a little bit frustrating but it it is a little bit of peace of mind when when you update and you know that at least all the known security vulnerabilities are hopefully already patched there are chrome extensions these different features you can add to chrome there's also i think there's there's chrome apps right like there's actual apps that are running somehow through chrome can you talk about the different ways that people can run applications that are custom built for chrome slash chromium so i i only really know a little bit about the extensions even less so i think about apps basically extensions just allows you to go and write some some html in javascript that can plug into to the web pages at your browsing and that allows you to go and do all sorts of things like modify the page that you're currently on or get some information out of it or give you some kind of extractions you can think of it kind of just like plugging in a little bit of extra code to the webpage applications i know this only maybe at a high level i think it's basically just packaging up all of the javascript than html that you would normally have on a web page and in the case of chrome os for example you can add a manifest and some additional permissions and a user actually installs it and so they signal that they actually this app it might get some more security permissions that that traditional desktop application might get as well so for example like accessing a camera and then all these days i think he can do that from the web but gentle like writing to disk for example do you spend much time with the chrome os team are you mostly just thinking about things from the browsers point of view so interestingly i started off technically on the chrome os team but very quickly got sort of shuffled into working more on on the web platform so i've been working almost primarily on on blink for for the last five years now and then i'll track a little bit with with chrome os folks it's generally they are very much plugged into the web platform so everything that they do is kinda running on the same platform that we're providing so examples of this early scroll bars in chrome os are the same scroll bars that we use on the web so that sort of thing i kind of work on in blink on and so i've had to interact with folks on on the chrome os team to get them to work the way that they would want to for example what's the hardest thing about building a scroll bar so they're very difference depending on which platform you're on so having to maintain the different kind of behavior between like mac os x or windows lennox android it's just a really big big challenge to make sure that we can support every different kind of behavior for every different kind of you x and make sure that again we have that whole complicated machinery that i mentioned before for having like that off off thread user input so we have separate paths for when you go and you do a scroll and it happens on that off thread to make sure that it's nice and smooth versus when you do it on that busy ui threat and so having all these different modalities in different you x.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

02:37 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"Network can you give some more details on how to architect the threading model around a heavily networked application like a browser yes so this kind of has been a problem traditionally and it goes back to the legacy of the web which kind of started out as a document platform and it sorta got this application framework like kind of bolted on after the fact so really there is no threading in web apps it's generally everything is basically on your ui thread and so this has been quite the the challenge for people who are trying to build these highperformance modern apps these days the the recommended pattern is to really chunk up all of your work and to really make sure that you're not running anything long on the javascript thread because that is your ui threat so if you're if you're executing any kind of cross site that work requests really you should be doing those asynchronous louis and with like promises and not waiting on the response for that we have seen like sometimes when we go and do a performance analysis on a web page and we'll notice like oh they're doing a synchronous request here and so yeah that's going to block up you can't scroll all of a sudden you can't do anything we've also tried to mitigate some of these issues so one of the patterns that's used in all browsers actually today is this sort of off thread user interaction so when you go to scroll when you do pinch suming whenever we can we try to do that on a separate thread and there's an enormous amount of logic and complexity around that and we sometimes have to fall back to the main threat anyway but there's a lot that happens in the browser to make sure that we're we're staying off that really busy ui threat chromium is the open source version of chrome how closely does the close source development how how does that develop track the chromium development i've been on the chrome team now for about five years and i don't think i've ever touched anything in the internal repo so it's really a small part of chrome i think these lick the pedia plug in for example was open source at some point so it's really been moving more and more to get more of the bits of chrome open source really these days i think is just a couple of things that i think like codex and then some proprietary it's like that okay and can you talk about your interaction with the release process a little bit more getting the the chromium browser from win it's just in an open open source in stantione into how that code makes its way into production for chrome users sure so chrome ships every six weeks which is really nice we try to keep an evergreen model where users are always up to date so how that works is generally will do development on the.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

02:37 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"Network can you give some more details on how to architect the threading model around a heavily networked application like a browser yes so this kind of has been a problem traditionally and it goes back to the legacy of the web which kind of started out as a document platform and it sorta got this application framework like kind of bolted on after the fact so really there is no threading in web apps it's generally everything is basically on your ui thread and so this has been quite the the challenge for people who are trying to build these highperformance modern apps these days the the recommended pattern is to really chunk up all of your work and to really make sure that you're not running anything long on the javascript thread because that is your ui threat so if you're if you're executing any kind of cross site that work requests really you should be doing those asynchronous louis and with like promises and not waiting on the response for that we have seen like sometimes when we go and do a performance analysis on a web page and we'll notice like oh they're doing a synchronous request here and so yeah that's going to block up you can't scroll all of a sudden you can't do anything we've also tried to mitigate some of these issues so one of the patterns that's used in all browsers actually today is this sort of off thread user interaction so when you go to scroll when you do pinch suming whenever we can we try to do that on a separate thread and there's an enormous amount of logic and complexity around that and we sometimes have to fall back to the main threat anyway but there's a lot that happens in the browser to make sure that we're we're staying off that really busy ui threat chromium is the open source version of chrome how closely does the close source development how how does that develop track the chromium development i've been on the chrome team now for about five years and i don't think i've ever touched anything in the internal repo so it's really a small part of chrome i think these lick the pedia plug in for example was open source at some point so it's really been moving more and more to get more of the bits of chrome open source really these days i think is just a couple of things that i think like codex and then some proprietary it's like that okay and can you talk about your interaction with the release process a little bit more getting the the chromium browser from win it's just in an open open source in stantione into how that code makes its way into production for chrome users sure so chrome ships every six weeks which is really nice we try to keep an evergreen model where users are always up to date so how that works is generally will do development on the.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

03:49 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"You can run android apps and things like that in it but the sort of vision of it is that everything you do is basically just a browser window and we try to dress it up really nicely so it doesn't look like it's necessary a browser but you can install a web app or like pwa's now our our a big thing so so you're not really running binary is your everything is sort of often in the cloud can you define the terms browser in the term operating system from from your point of view because i feel like chrome and chromium kind of blur the lines between what is a browser and what is an operating system yeah definitely i think the browser kind of is an operating system in a way it's the operating system for the web so really just need something to to run like your app so if you go to like your g mail i mean that's really an app which ten or fifteen years ago that might have been like an on your windows machine or something but these days it's it's hosted in the browser so really the line is quite blurry i guess like on a chrome os system the difference would be the sort of colonel and how we interface with the hardware so the browser sort of abstracts a lot of that so we're kind of an os on top of us in a way in the chrome os perspective is that the browser is so integral to to the user's workflow that we might as well integrated closely with the operating system or as we've kind of explored blurred the lines with the operating system so in chrome os how does the relationship between the browser and the operating system compared to if i was just using chrome on my mac book for example so for example like the task launcher everything there it's just launching basically a wrapper around browser so on your mac few if you go and you launch chrome you kinda get the browser window with a lot of the chrome like the oral bar and everything like that in the chromosome experience like sometimes if you install the app which really it's still just the web page with with some fancy dressing below the hood but you get sort of what looks like a native native select if you were to run something on your sex system it doesn't look like it's a browser it's the same sort of idea we want a web page to sort of not beat the traditional way that you associate web pages we wanted to the browser to get out of the way essentially the three core goals of the chrome project our stability speed and security for actually it's also simplicity it's the forsees simplicity okay i didn't know it had been expanded to four so if we're just talking about it from a browser point of view let's just talk about in terms of the chrome browser if you want a browser that is stable has speed has security has simplicity one aspect that you want is a multi process browser can you explain what it means for a browser to be multi process sure so if you i think fire foxes may be the example of the single process version of this if you go to several web pages in different tabs in fire fox they all look like they're running independently but really they're all hosted in one big process and that it also includes the browser ui so the difference in chrome would be if you go to two different domains in in two different tabs each of those has its own process and so what that means is that we're using the operating systems 'isolation for each of those tabs so they don't share the same memory space there's no way for them to to talk to each other in a direct way and the chrome browser you is also running in its own separate process and this allows us to do like sand boxing so for example those tabs themselves don't have access to to like really powerful primitives on your system so they can't go and read the hard disk themselves they can't go in and access some of the hardware devices they have to go and ask the browser.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

01:45 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"So no problem we can talk about the contemporary state what's the relationship between chromium chromium o s chrome chrome o s there's kind of four different projects here we can multiplex this conversation across can you level set us with the relationship between these projects i've seen the confusion hair quite a bit so chromium is the open source bits of of everything that we work on so that includes like pretty much everything these days the only things that aren't included in chromium would be sort of proprietary bit so things like the flash player and i guess some of the branding so from chromium when google actually goes and builds the browser chrome browser so they add all those proprietary bits on at some of the branding and then we call it chrome so that's just the browser now from that there's also chromium chrome os on and it's the same kind of relationship where chromium is all the open source bits which can go and download and build yourself and then chrome os is the google brand brand version of that okay and how does if we're just talking about the the operating system side of things how does the user experience of chromium so for people who are totally unfamiliar with this this operating system that the chromium operating system how does it compare to olympics operating system like an abboud to chromium is still running a lyrics like colonel as far as i understand the main difference would be that you don't go and install binary apps so for example if you're running a lennox system you might go and grab some packages from your destroy or you might go and build something yourself on a chrome os system everything is basically a web app there well there there's some technicalities nowadays i guess.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

01:45 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"So no problem we can talk about the contemporary state what's the relationship between chromium chromium o s chrome chrome o s there's kind of four different projects here we can multiplex this conversation across can you level set us with the relationship between these projects i've seen the confusion hair quite a bit so chromium is the open source bits of of everything that we work on so that includes like pretty much everything these days the only things that aren't included in chromium would be sort of proprietary bit so things like the flash player and i guess some of the branding so from chromium when google actually goes and builds the browser chrome browser so they add all those proprietary bits on at some of the branding and then we call it chrome so that's just the browser now from that there's also chromium chrome os on and it's the same kind of relationship where chromium is all the open source bits which can go and download and build yourself and then chrome os is the google brand brand version of that okay and how does if we're just talking about the the operating system side of things how does the user experience of chromium so for people who are totally unfamiliar with this this operating system that the chromium operating system how does it compare to olympics operating system like an abboud to chromium is still running a lyrics like colonel as far as i understand the main difference would be that you don't go and install binary apps so for example if you're running a lennox system you might go and grab some packages from your destroy or you might go and build something yourself on a chrome os system everything is basically a web app there well there there's some technicalities nowadays i guess.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

02:17 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"I o s android mac os x windows and other platforms chrome o s is an operating system based on chrome there's also chromium os which is the open source version of chrome os the chrome and chromium operating systems are based off of the lennox colonel there's a whole lot of complexity in all these different projects and a lot of overlap between them chrome and chrome os and chromium and chromium os and all of the deployments that they maintain on the different platforms on irs android the other operating systems i mentioned and to add to that throughout the entire episode the line between browser and operate eating system is blurry in today's episode there's so much resource management involved in the chrome browser that the kraus's are actually has its own task manager for many people including myself the browser is the main application that i'm interfacing with throughout the day it has all my business applications in the browser might email even many of my desktop apps that are not actually in chrome the browser itself are running on electron which is a framework for building cross platform apps that uses chromium so these apps like slack or get hub the get bap for mac os these things are essentially built using chrome so chrome runs a ton of your applications david bocon is an engineer on the chromium team at google and he joins the show to describe the engineering of chrome and the development and the release process david also gives his thoughts on future developments for browsers apps and the internet it was great talking to david and i'm hoping to do more shows on browsers and chrome in particular because i am really unfamiliar with this territory so i hope you like this episode nonetheless and i'm looking forward to doing more of these flavor of shows before we get started i want to mention that we are looking for writers and we're looking for a video gopher for software engineering daily we've got a couple other roles and you can find those as well at software engineering daily dot com slash.

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"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

Software Engineering Daily

02:17 min | 2 years ago

"chromium" Discussed on Software Engineering Daily

"I o s android mac os x windows and other platforms chrome o s is an operating system based on chrome there's also chromium os which is the open source version of chrome os the chrome and chromium operating systems are based off of the lennox colonel there's a whole lot of complexity in all these different projects and a lot of overlap between them chrome and chrome os and chromium and chromium os and all of the deployments that they maintain on the different platforms on irs android the other operating systems i mentioned and to add to that throughout the entire episode the line between browser and operate eating system is blurry in today's episode there's so much resource management involved in the chrome browser that the kraus's are actually has its own task manager for many people including myself the browser is the main application that i'm interfacing with throughout the day it has all my business applications in the browser might email even many of my desktop apps that are not actually in chrome the browser itself are running on electron which is a framework for building cross platform apps that uses chromium so these apps like slack or get hub the get bap for mac os these things are essentially built using chrome so chrome runs a ton of your applications david bocon is an engineer on the chromium team at google and he joins the show to describe the engineering of chrome and the development and the release process david also gives his thoughts on future developments for browsers apps and the internet it was great talking to david and i'm hoping to do more shows on browsers and chrome in particular because i am really unfamiliar with this territory so i hope you like this episode nonetheless and i'm looking forward to doing more of these flavor of shows before we get started i want to mention that we are looking for writers and we're looking for a video gopher for software engineering daily we've got a couple other roles and you can find those as well at software engineering daily dot com slash.

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