19 Episode results for "Christy Turlington"

How Christy Turlington Burns is Making Childbirth Safe for Women

Here's Something Good

06:11 min | 9 months ago

How Christy Turlington Burns is Making Childbirth Safe for Women

"We are so grateful to our launch partners founding partner PNG and Bank of America. Together, we're bringing you something good every day and it wouldn't be possible without their support. Welcome to this episode of here's something good a production of the Seneca Women podcast work and iheartradio. Each day we aspire to bring you the good news, the silver lining the glass half full because there is good happening in the world everywhere everyday. We just need to look for in share it. Here's something good for today. You've probably seen her face even if you don't know her name Christy Turlington Burns rained for years as one of fashion's top models her face on magazine covers in every corner of the planet. But since two thousand and ten, she is focused on a mission that is strikingly different but equally global ensuring that every woman everywhere experiences a safe pregnancy and childbirth. As, the founder every mother counts Christie has been bringing positive change to the worldwide crisis of maternal mortality a crisis. So large that every year three, hundred and three thousand women die as a result of pregnancy and childbirth. Christie calls these quote stupid debts because they are so unnecessary. Every mother counts helping through its awareness campaigns, lobbying and fundraising that supports the ground organizations. Now the original impetus for every mother counts was Christie's own experience with the birth of her daughter grace in two thousand three. Christie suffered dangerous complications that led her to think about the situation of women who don't have her advantages or access to good healthcare. I talked to Christie for this week's episode of made by women. In this brief excerpt Christie tells about the moment she realized that maternal mortality was a much bigger issue than she thought, and that's a huge concern not only in the developing world but in the US well. Here's what she had to say. You started every mother counts in twenty ten. Can you tell us a little bit about the issue itself and you know we often think about maternal mortality being a developing world issue but I think you've educated us to the fact that that's in fact completely false. I think when I started to learn about maternal mortality I really like I was shocked because I thought you know I'm becoming a mom and I don't even know that that that. This is an issue still like in the twenty first century that women are dying bringing life into the world so that that first realization than like digging a little bit deeper for me I think once they learned that there was a problem I thought. Okay. Well, clearly, this is happening in in low income countries. If it's happening at all it's happening in places where you know there's an infrastructure and there isn't a health system and then I learned you know in that process of exploring was happening outside of the United States that the US was ranked or ably also, we are in our second decade where the term mortality rates have. Tended to be on the rise, and we are one of only two industrial. Industrialized countries with a rising maternal mortality rate back in two thousand and three. When I became a mom I think we're ranked forty first in the world and today we are ranked fifth. So we've fallen really far behind in just ten years just a decade. So you know I look at this issue as a global tragedy which it is, and still there's this education curve. Letting people understand that the United States is part of a global community. So before starting in the organization I, actually documentary film that thumbs called no woman no cry and so between two, thousand, eight, thousand, ten, I travel around the world really documenting stories of women and families, and really the film became this great medium for people to be able to see like their strangler statistics. But then to be able to see the faces, your women speaking about their struggles, their challenges but then also putting a framework which was look what can be done and so getting bad awareness and bringing people into that conversation notches, heads of state or policy makers everyday people. Christy Turlington Burns has had so much impact over the last ten years. Every mother counts has saved innumerable lives and has touch more than seven, hundred, thousand people around the world. So here's something good for today. Christy Turlington Burns shows us what happens when you use your power for purpose. Her story also reveals how important it is to keep an open mind to learn to grow and change as we become aware of new facs. There are lots of ways that you can get involved in improving the health of mothers everywhere. Go to every mother counts dot Org to learn more and join me for tomorrow's episode of made by women to hear more about Christie's journey and the lesson she learned along the way. Have a great day. Thank you for listening and please share today something good with others in your life. This is Kim as early co author fast forward and Co founder of Senegal women to learn more about. Seneca. Women go to Seneca women, dot com or download the Seneca women APP free in the APP STORE Here's something. Good is a production of a Seneca woman podcast network and iheartradio. Have a great day. For more podcast from iheartradio, check out the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 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Helena Suric and Kendall Jenner

Vogue Podcast

15:29 min | 5 years ago

Helena Suric and Kendall Jenner

"Taste. Hello. This is Helena vogues booking structure. And today. I'm so excited to have our September. Covergirl V KENDALL Jenner calling into our studio today candle. Thank you so much for taking the time to appear on our podcast, and congratulations on your stunning September cover what a huge moment for you. They you. I'm so excited. So VO cover is covered and special in and of itself a September, cover even more. So is there any past September issue that as a specially memorable for you? Honestly, I'm right, obviously, the biggest fan, and this is the biggest dream for me. And like, it's just so insane. And I'm like, I'm in love with Adele last cover. I'm in love with beyond say's last. Right. I tell him Beyonce. They were the last two right, y'all. My fiance was last September. I think it does the March for the other big issue. Yeah. But the say I'm like an love at that was incredible. She's amazing woman will nice footsteps for you to follow in. Actually, I feel. I'm so honored. It's like, I literally I still can't even believe it. I'm just incomplete shock, and I'm completely honored. Amazing. So since you were so delighted to be on the cover who was the first person that you told when you found out. About the project. Okay. So I talked to my mom. Of course, my mom was knowing that I kinda got to freak out with. But I was like very big on keeping secret. Like, I want it to be a surprise. I wanted to surprise for everyone. So for I don't know. I was like I was just celebrating with my mall. I look barely even sisters because I just want everyone to be like when it comes down. I want it to even more of a shock vector. Nice. Is there anyone in particular who's reaction to the cover? You're really excited to see once. They are surprised honestly my family. That's kinda why don't like pulling my whole family. I have such a big family, and we're all such best friends. So Lynch that we all support each other. And we all love it when one of succeeds. So like, I just love my guy loved the reaction of my family and my sisters, and you can just really feel the love, and I it's just I mean, it's the best nicely. I'm sure that will be an amazing moment. And when they all see at at something else, they'll be seeing on the cover throughout your career. You've had a trademark long style. And for the September issue legendary hair. Stylist Garin give you a bold new cut on sat on the first day of shooting. How did that decision come about? And how did you feel about the cut or you nervous to make the change and do feel that it made the cover more special? I think more special Matt actually texted me the day before and was like, I wanna cut your hair, all my how I've been waiting for someone to wanna cut my hair, actually, cutting kind of bored with my long, like just straight hair waiting for someone to want to do it. And for math to come and say you wanted to do it. I trust him. And I know he thinks I know he knows cool. And I know you know, what would look good on me. And he made me most comfortable than the next day. We kind of all brainstorm together me Garin, and Matt and Omni, and we were just brainstorming. And I was showing some pictures hair hairstyles that I love and actually put up a picture of Christie, and I was like I love this air style. And everyone was like love it do it. And I was like. Perfect. Everyone agrees. Nice while it may actually grow in length again. So you'll get a chance to do another cut. Eventually I love that. You got to try something that you've been dying to do for a long time on the shoot. Is there a fashion story or something that you would really like to do that? You haven't had a chance to yet. Maybe like a story concept you'd love or someplace you'd like to travel too. I wrote. I love her go. I'm going to mostly viz. I love going places that like you've never been before. And that are just so incredibly beautiful that you don't get to see every day like not like somewhere outside insane and beautiful with something like a wig on you that makes you so different. And really care love something like that. And I love something. Everyone knows I'm like excessive these in the eighties and the seventies and everything like that. So I love being able to go back in time. Nice. I really liked that you have so many ideas of your own one of the things that social media has changed or models of your generation is that it's giving you the platform to put yourself in the position as a collaborator an image crater for the brands that you work with in a way, this makes you more similar to models in the past those glamorous models like Christy Turlington, Linda Evangelista who are part of the creative process. More than just anonymous mannequins in what way has social media. Given you and your peers tool to do this. I think her for the major. Very next with the fan base. And I think that that's something that not a lot of models in the past hat and John with Cindy. And we'll talk about it. Sometimes it's just so impressive me that models. Like, Cindy, and Linda, and Christy Naomi, they didn't have what I have today who connects with fans, but they still have that connection just photo and that so impressive. And that's something that I guess I'll never know. But it's like so mind blowing to me, and it's mind blowing to Cindy as well away that we have today. So it's it's actually a really cool thing to kind of talk about with her into kinda get her point of view on it. And it was I don't know. It's very interesting. Definite connection that we have. And that were that were able to know it's a new version is pretty awesome. So you have millions upon millions of followers on your Instagram. But one of the most impressive things about your feed, even more. So than its follow numbers. How great the photos you take for our your photography skills are definitely getting quite a bit of not. Do you have any training as a photographer are yourself talk? Not very I I did take for in school for like three years. So I did that. So I had like it was more of a how to work the camera thing. It wasn't. I think everyone has their own pace and everyone has their own like liking on things. So I think that it's just my way of viewing the world. And that's where I think it says special about I love between your own personal bumping. Yes. Your art. So it's it's very personal. But yeah, I mean, I had to I was taking classes to learn how to work a camera and stuff, and is there a particular type of camera that you use for your photos yet? I use an open to show camera, and it just takes them amazing authentic photos. And that's my nice will you recently? Join snapchat. And I for one have been following your every story what side to take the plunge and join a little bit later than some of you are your cohorts, and how do you feel the difference social media platforms differ in terms of what kind of content you like to share on them? Yeah. I think that to get a snapshot at I just because. I was always very cry. Or if you wanna say the most out of my family, and I felt like it was very personal thing. It's not try to stupor the moment. So when you take a Snapchat. It's obviously, a course what's happening at that moment. So that's where that's where it kind of creeks. Creeks sitting in the car with me, I thought about maybe getting one, and I'm sitting in the cars little sister, who's like, the cleaner Snapchat, and she was making Sachin shows make and like do it. And I was like what you feel and to help me out my followers, but I question and the. Okay. Cool. So I need what. And now, I love it. I mean, I'm not like the I don't match ton. Again. I still have that like fear of just like letting everyone on exactly putting them moment. Like on Instagram different. Take a photo and the post two hours later, but yeah, I'm here like being able to have the one kind of in a little bit Kylie gave you a shout out. It's nice to know that you need to lean on someone to get more followers your fears about your privacy, kind of make me questions something working with young models and women in the public eye. One thing that I often Maury about for them. And for all of you is about your your actual safety, and the increasing levels of exposure that y'all have on social media. Are there any particular precautions that you take with respect to sharing private information like your whereabouts are mean, like I said, I the fact that that touch very into every like sharing my location or my geo tag, unless it's already known where I'm at is that make sense. So like if I'm spent more. Going knows. I'm not tacking it our whenever earth. I'm a restaurant, and there's the proper trying to fan than mine geo tagging and people can know where I am. But otherwise, if if I'm already being very private I'd rather keep it that way, speaking of ubiquitous paparazzi without giving too much away. For those not read are September cover piece, you spent a few quality days with our writer Jonathan Van Meter and at some juncture paparazzi spotted YouTube together, and he was subsequently referred to in the press as quote, an older gentleman and personally big out for him. That wasn't very nice. How do your friends outside of fashion and entertainment handled the scrutiny that accompanies every move? And what is the strangest place the paparazzi ever tried to follow you? That that's the law in the different shoes. And the people you let around your life. I I don't think a lot of people not normal. So I don't think a lot of people know how to deal with it or know how to accept it. And I've definitely had moments with friends where they freak out because they've never had this before and they don't get it. And it's it's a different thing. But it's something that they kind of have to learn, and if they're if they're genuine friends, and I think that if if they're to be in your life forever, then they are gonna learn to deal with it or they're going to learn how to maneuver it on their own because it's it's something that it's baggage. It's definitely baggage on on my end, and I have to kind of like warn people up at and that may sound kind of weird. But it's just something that I kinda have to do it. But if you have a genuine enough friend, and they're nice, nothing really entirely bother them. And make you make them not wanna be your friends. Strangest place. I wouldn't say I think it's it's more of a more disrespectful place. Like, they try and follow you into private places that actually are like illegal for them to go, and they'll still go, and that's like it's like cross the line. That's fortunate. Yeah. That's a fortunate. I'm sure it's a lot for you to cope with. So your career has really taken off in the past two years and the life of a model can be really crazy whirlwind of working with new people every day and being an unfamiliar situations. But in the short time that you've been working you've already developed some amazing term relationships from your cosmetics contract with Estee Lauder to your work with Calvin Klein, your frequent collaborations with Carlisle fouled, and your many turns on the Monchy runway. What does it feel like to work with friends and this newfound professional family in mazing like you said this industry, you you have to be put in front of so many new faces and you can meet different people. And really like put yourself into new situations all the time, which is something that I actually wasn't good two years ago. And now become so much better at it. And that's something that I can really take away from career and be happy about. But yeah, I could get what. So when you do get those relationships and connections and collaborations with people that end up being family. It's just so much warmer. And it's so awesome to come around and be able to have a friend around. It makes this job a lot easier and a lot more fun. And yeah, I mean, it's great. It's I've never had so many friends in my entire life. I've I was like a loner in high school pretty much. I had some in middle of the loan in middle school and like just like fat alone room on the weekends. So for me to now have this many friends that have this many people that I love and that love me, it's just such a different world. And it's snow amazing. I couldn't be anymore blessed. I'm really happy to hear the modeling. Brought you so many amazing things that's very refreshing one of the most amazing things about your modeling career of itself. And something that I really respect is that you actually chose to and wanted to model and for a moment wanting to be a model was almost this on cool thing or something a young girl might be less forthcoming about Mike. Like, I want to be an actress would H, and how did you decide that you wanted to be a model and who did you feel comfortable sharing this desire with thirteen fourteen? I mean, I remember before that I was definitely like looking at magazines in life in awe at all the supermodels that I was looking at. But I remember being like thirteen fourteen and making like like, the funniest little book for my mom, a photos of me that I took they were really all selfie or like photo booth photos, which is the funniest thing ever. I took them, and I gave a little book to my mom of all my photos, and I was like I wanna be a model you need the help me. And she was like, okay. Got you. And I remember maybe a week later. I had a meeting with the model agency in LA, and they signed me. And I was first of all I don't know why they signed. I was not cute at fourteen, but he has so yeah, I got signed. And then from there, I was doing like, Hugh commercially things I think my first job was for forever twenty one and he has and then the rest of history, I think you're being modest. I'm sure absolutely adorable at age fourteen and you seem to to see a trend coming because a lot of models today are actually discovered via cell fees on soc. Media. So you may on top of it, fourteen exactly and one last very timely question for you in the lead up to November's presidential election. A urine are for rock. The vote a nonprofit nonpartisan organization encouraging young people to vote how did you become interested in voting and evolved with rock the vote aren't my whole life. If we're going back. I started my dad would drive me to school every single day and take pick me up every single day in school is forty five minutes away from home, and I would have to sit in the car and listen to talk radio all day and listen to my dad, just go on about whatever presidential election was happening at that moment. I think it's kind of always just been in the back of my head, and it's always been a part of my life. But yeah, I honestly wanted to be involved in something. But encourage kids to go out and do that. Because I think nowadays people, I don't know, I guess people get lazy. I don't know. It's like, but it was just such a such a thing that I believed in that. I really wanted everyone to get on top. Too. Because it's so importantly are future. And we have to bring that out in generation, and we have to speak. You are voice fair generation. So I think it's really wonderful that you're encouraging everyone to use. There's and to get out and vote KENDALL. Thank you so much for joining us today. Congratulations once again on your cover. Relations. We'll speak to thank you. Thank you. The vote podcast is for Duchesne of votes magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagai Mohammadi, and he'll be Couric sound engineering by David Lauren's and hosted by me. Meet the next generation Samsung galaxy to demonstrate how the new wireless power share works pay close attention on this side, the new galaxy on this side your friends phone by just putting both phones together. Your new galaxy starts moving energy from your phone to your friends phone extending the battery just like that the Samsung galaxy s ten s ten plus preorder by March seventh and get free. Galaxy buds limited time only terms apply.

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In VOGUE: The 1990s  |  Episode 1: The Rise of The Supermodel

Vogue Podcast

27:14 min | 6 months ago

In VOGUE: The 1990s | Episode 1: The Rise of The Supermodel

"One of the most pivotal moments in early ninety s fashion happened at John even thought she's nine hundred, hundred, one full runway show and I was lucky enough to be there. Johnny were showing with almost every other Italian designer in Milan showing it a space the. You kind of arrive to nine am show and you leave the APM show and it was pretty sold destroying way to experience clothing. You were lucky if you could find a kind of stale Anini, an indifference. Spread to get you through the day, the seats were very much assigned and there was absolute hierarchy, and that point I was the fashion director of Harper's and Queen. So I think I would have been in the front row. The. Front row by the way, we'll know the most prestigious place to sit was by no means the most convenient place to see or experience a runway. The the runways damn will always high-rise. So you're already looking up goals nostril. So the show Linda Evangelista opened the show and a short little black shift in these kind of fetish boots. Little bit simpler for Johnny this. New Decade vibe kind of leggings and a little shift dress says. She kind of fetish booth. Then of course, some amazing print moment. I always had some. Paper notebooks and I did very very elaborate sketches. A peach came down the runway ninety sketches but pretty detailed, and then I would write in additional notes of color and I write down the the go. That's Yasmine the ball. southastern. Gail Elliott. Classical. Print. Thin. Dave. Niamey causeway many dress with Lorden yellow. Jacket. So I was sitting there furiously sketching in my notebook every look that came down. And then Suddenly, I heard the opening strains of freedom on Janis runway. connick believed music. And it was like this electric. Had charged through the room. Evangelists came out in a very short flirty read kind of align mini-dress than Christie came out in a black version with a different neckline Niamey came out in a singing chrome yellow version, and finally Cindy Crawford. Again, and you know each having singly come out then they came out on over shoulder lip synching the words and kind of reliving that moment and then, and then really everyone's just like great. It was a real. Energizing. Zeitgeist fashion. And as I watched from my vantage point in the crowd, I realized that I found myself in the epicenter of fashion world at a moment when everything was changing. And what Johnny understood in what the rest of the fashion industry came to understand was that these supermodels they were symbol and an even a vehicle of that change. The fashion industry was floating into the mainstream this world that had been so exclusive and exclusion rate was now opening up. And of course, the moment that door opened jar and people could see kind of magical world through the slither in the open doorway. They wanted to break the door down. Welcome. To invoke the nine thousand, nine, hundred, ninety s cost about a pivotal time that. A. New Era in fashion and in culture. Join us as we examined the defining moments of the decade that shape fashion. As we know it today, we'll hear from fashion leaders, cultural icons and vogues own editor. Oriel team I'm on a winter and I'm Hamish Bowles Votes, international editor at large and your host. Modeling used to be a very different sort of profession. There was this dichotomy between runway models and print models. I mean literally the Cavaco's literally he. The African covered at that point they only needed to be fabulous from the neck up. And then you had you know runway models they had this turtle runway allure. Of course, always great looking maybe cover face that they had striking runway presents. So. There was an expectation that they would have perfect symmetrical voters that were easy for the krause people to fact from today's perspective way kind of now happily inured to the idea of body diversity on a runway. It's. Required. A different focus in prison to look back at the ages and realized that the runway body paradigm particularly for the Haute Couture Design Esus handcrafted clothing was. A A a symmetrical. FOCUSED COOKIE A. Norm and mold. You know there was a very, very particular cultivated runway walk the runway. Specific models knew how to do, which was you know I kind of S-? Lincoln. A twelve and Tan. They would walk down they turned it back. Twenty Goodman is sustainability editor and was fashion editor in the ninety S. Were completely vital that was what their job was as a mannequin for the clothes they were. Living Mannequins that could move and that could display whether the drape worked and so pride of place really was given to the clients designers that were considered sort of dress makers to the third set. They had that prominent clients in the front row. They'd all be immaculately dressed in head to toe outfits from the designers last. At houses like do. She for instance, it was almost like informal modeling in department store but of course, amplified to a very glamorous level with the occasional cameo from a print star like Imam or Jerry Hall. The might be music and A. Home Tannoy voiceover announcing the dresses And it would say numeral. Number one numerous. Then the buys the audience would be frantically scribbling down the numbers of the dresses that they want to by cross referencing the programs that have been put left on their seats for them. To the shows took forever because you're looking every straw of what was presenting. It. Wasn't a convention to in in almost any magazine that I know of to identify the models lead Baretti person is vogues archive editor. If they were identified, it was usually in the credits. So for insiders, they might have that knowledge, but the job was to present the close just like the runway models. They they generally aren't identified the job of Montreal was to show close, but by the end of the eighties that all started to change. The birth of the super model for me was linked with two of British folk year apart Mark Holgate Vogue Fashion News Director I was a student at the University of Northumbria and I was bored and I was like I'm going to buy this copy of folk to read it was a January. Nineteen, thousand nine edition British folk and it had Linda Evangelista and the cover Linda Evangelista haircut helped propel her into fame. She was the one that had the short boyish haircut. With the most typing. But then she started to do was she changed her hair color. From being Brunette to platinum blonde to being a redhead and she chose to do was she chose to debut those new hair covers on different covers of vote and that was I think the first moment I had this connection with I guess a fashion model and their appeal could transcend the cover and Costa being something that touched the lives of people in everyday life before she became a fashion designer. Or even a spice go Victoria Beckham remembers the influence supermodels had her I mean Linda was always my favorite supermodel can imagine my excitement Garin hairdresser in New York. That used to cut Linda's hair. He was the hairdresser the my little tiny pixie haircut that I had, which was very exciting probably exciting for me than it was the him. Linda. Evangelista like, Oh my God Garin a high fashion has stylist. There is no rules as far as it came to hair Linda went blond and then Linda went red head and all my clients were so impressed by having all these young fashion models and this'll on they all requesting haircuts, women taking these dives and going. If she can wear it. What's the trick Tartu imagined in today's? Well, this was something that was a major obsession. These women became more than just blank faces that stared out at us from a magazine Cover magazine page we got to know their names, Naomi, Campbell Linda, Evangelista Tatyana Potisk Christy Turlington. Cindy Crawford they were starting to appear also in British folk to Italian Vogue to American vogue. Playing different characters across these different issues in different kinds of narratives in different depictions. Somehow they were also themselves. All of these girls had. Great personality, and they also had great understanding of character and how they could transform themselves into different characters and one of the photographers who really took advantage of that was Peter Lindbergh. He really allowed them to be actors. One of the first stories that Peter and I did together was Naomi Campbell as a gauguin. Painting. We went down to Jamaica and we did that shoot. So the opportunity to do cultural references, art references that came up a lot here Lemberg y'all funded outdoor shoots or location shoots. So there is a sort of fresh air nece to his work, but there was also a cinematic quality his women were often. Moving and happy and there is an idea of natural beauty. It wasn't about a lot of makeup. It was the fresh natural beauty, some sort of connection with nature but seen through cinematic. Not Hitchcock Ian, but like sort of a classic frame like a still shot from a film often. Cut to a year later, the January one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, cover a black and white cover Linda Evangelista Christy Turlington and Tatyana potisk Naomi Campbell and Cindy Crawford. Now, not in some fantasy setting, there are no. You know looking like they've got incredibly elaborate hair and makeup and jewels on they look quite natural. The hair is kind of not overly done. They don't like wearing a ton a makeup there in jeans with these talks. Of being a snapshot kloss photo of five of the most important models of the moment, and again, it was that moment of both anticipate. Really kind of it really hit home I think in a major way. That snapshot also caught the eye of another important thicker and he would propel supermodels into the stratosphere. More after the break. Allure. Do I really need to wear sunscreen. WanNa. Make my pores smaller. I M Michelle Lee the editor in chief Galore and I'm Jenny by executive beauty director here at a lower were always been questions about how to choose the right experience or conditioner or serum. So we started a podcast about it the science of beauty. We'll be learning all about what to do and what not to do to stay looking your best tune into the science of beauty. Annapolis, podcast spotify wherever you get your podcasts. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, one, George Michael was everywhere. He was a major pop popstar coming off the success of his latest single faith that had been a huge hit on MTV back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. George Michael Station he was a cultural icon working on his eagerly anticipated upcoming album but at that point, he felt that he was already overexposed and to become disillusion from the precious that pain brought so much. So in fact that when it came time to make the music video for his latest single freedom ninety, he refused to be in the video he was living a life as an idol. That was probably conflicted. You're always supposed to be on your always supposed to be beautiful. You're supposed to conform to the societal norms even if it's not true to yourself and how'd you break out of that when you're living in public will people even accept it if you if you do he hadn't come out at this point and I think in a way, this was a song of rebellion. Don He wanted to be free. But how can you be free when you're a celebrity? So he chose the supermodel says. What did George Michael WanNa free of what is the model look like when they're not a model. It was going to be a Linda Evangelista was gonna be Naomi Campbell it's going to be Christy Toddington. Tatyana tits and Cindy Crawford. Camilla Nickerson is a contributing editor. had. An extra and Queen. She'd been my sister went to. A, very talented editor in her own right and I knew that she got this Gig to George. Michael. Single and and that it was with the supermodels I didn't know what was being off. I didn't know early while I was doing a again very very luckily that probably somebody else had been asked but was got sick or something like it was purely. Just, totally chunks that Aiko Ost I'd never really been to film studio. So I walked into this room that was to site with all these stories and David finch serum. He kind of showed me these storyboards never seen a story but would but pretended I had. Christie to walk alone white sheet made of Irish linen but it needed to be one hundred foot long. And that was my budget gone right there. So the rest had to be like from my couplet. Two weeks later went to an old. Hangar and and it was like two caravans one for the girls and one for the boys tiny and then we get the girls dressed in there and You definitely knew who Michael was at the time I mean he was there on set. He was his much. He was a creative PA until the Gulshan in. All coming guy though huge personalities. So you know there I'm dress they're not super moguls. nope. Film stars that themselves to sing the guzzles proxy lines and China saying, let's say so. Navy's my boyfriend's big. Linda pulls by slatter over ahead it a it was great. It was so great. The music video was. Shot in. CPI Black and White Ninja Evangelist has discovered lips in King George's lyrics while sitting cross legged on the bare wooden floor of shabby apartment Cindy, Crawford, lip synching whilst naked in a bathtub Naomi's lip synching framed in the doorway. I mean, they were in the psych abandoned house seemingly no heat in like an oversized sweater. I. Think it's important to say that as glamorous as the supermodels are they weren't depicted as glamorous in the video I, mean besides their natural glamour to me, it shows the a more intimate domestic kind of feeling to the video. So feels. More vulnerable. You know. Here's here's the thing when I was a model, the thing that was clear to me is the generosity that model had the have in their DNA. And these girls were so generous with what they could put force. And they did it with freedom I mean if it if you needed to be vulnerable, you were able to to portray it to project it. If you needed to be harder, you could do that you. You could run the gamut of. DIFFERENT EMOTIONS That would have a resonance with whoever was watching you or you know looking at an image of you. Looking back I think that MTV generation, the fact that we were all tuning in there was this new medium that fused fashion in music. It was exciting. It was new people were watching everywhere. So I felt like pop culture sort of lifestyle was aspirational the idea of being on the concord and partying with Donatello for Saatchi and being able to wear anything you want but because they had personality. It was more like being a fan of musician are banned or connector. You had a new audience the music videos MTV had a music driven audience that was then entertained by video, but this brought in a whole new community to start watching a music video, which was the fashion community, and I think that that absolutely opened a huge door for anybody who wanted to take advantage of having this. Adjunct audience get tacked onto what they were trying to do. The crossover, a fashion and music began to really become something that you saw played out day in day out video in video on MTV, and that's in a huge way down to George. Michael's freedom nine hundred. I mean everyone in the fashion community love the video because it was this idea of high style fashion shoot and the idea that I'll will was kind of being co opted by George Michael and the supermodels they just started to become more present in the culture they were lip synching to. A song was being sung by George. Michael, through this incredible became an incredibly kind of iconic and groundbreaking and influential music video. It was a kind of case of starting to join the dots and kind of see these women start to pop up in different aspects of the culture. You know you're like, okay. There are now in a show on a magazine cover, and now they're being photographed at a party or now you're seeing them in an ad campaign. Goals really were it. Now in the ninety s fashion has ushered in the superstar. Glamorous high. Everywhere. They were ubiquitous I mean. On the side of my boss there on the cover of every magazine inside every magazine who needs a new supermodel they were doing TV commercials for the new supermodel. Some of trying to break into movies you WANNA watch headline news. Not GonNa kill you. They were the very hottest fashion commodities. Joanie for Thaci was. A designer who was uniquely attuned to the Cultural Zeitgeist. All about folding music and rock and roll into is clothing and movie stars and artists, and he was somebody who could absolutely see the moment sees Zeitgeist and tailor it to his own aesthetic a very kind of powerful way and of course, for Saatchi had always been using these girls in his ad campaigns. But this was a total synergy that all the girls who'd been in that video came down the runway embodying Janis. Vision. Joanie was unusually media savvy because he was a perfect show man and he understood how to kind of manipulate emotions through fashion and the way he presented his collection. So when that freedom soundtrack rang out and the goals came down kind of. Long it was just so amazing first of all because they looked so. When you saw that? They could maneuver their way down and runway they could walk which wasn't necessarily a given, but it was. Electrifying. So, it was an interesting collision of all sorts of different kinds of fame. You had the fame of George, Michael you had the fame of Gianni Versace and you defame of the supermodels. All kind of coalescing into one major kind of pop cultural moment. And that was really for me. That was sort of the moment where you realized this was going to be the kind of dominating hours of these models were supermodels, and of course the. Photography's went crazy because they knew that they had photographs these girls they were going to be sure fire sellers. There wasn't a social media. The was no instagram snapchat. There was none of these things was no means to actually be a reminded of their their presence on a daily basis designers in particular became aware of the fact that these girls were personalities as well as models and that the their personality in your clothes gave. More of a message. It wasn't just. I'm going to show this to you. So you can buy it or you can not buy you can like it. You can't like it but all the sudden you had a personality that was. Delivering how you could wear these clothes and who you would be when you wore those close these girls were worth their weight because they contributed to the image. Significantly. and. That's why they were who they were. That's that's why they got that attention. They were credible. They had their own lives that revolved around fashion. They were devoted to it. They understood it they collaborated with it and they they really really important. I mean, what happened was they were also smart enough to realize that they themselves had a role and a power in shaping fashion, and they had some agency of their own in continuing to be part of the fashion landscape. The supermodels came like an industry. As. They sometimes do five shows a day they weekly salaries can quickly time to six. At that point, those four models we're doing everything. They've really helped foster an identity for fashion wasn't what it could be an shift in fashion but the supermodels they were part of that shift on this edition of House of style. We traveled to Milan Italy for the spring ninety three collections and spend the week with the only Campbell both on and off the runway as fashion became a bigger interest and became. Part of a bigger cultural narrative. Suddenly, you started to see because of the way that fashion operates and it goes in cycles and it gets sated by one thing, and then that's looking to the new thing to inject. Difference or you know some sense of unison to creative process than other narratives were starting to kind of come in. Then you person then you face that you design the you think that that is counter to the gloss in the fame and the success the question the fashion industry is asking other models of worth the money they get especially in these times of recession who does their high profile detract from the very closest I kind of feeling that the opulence to conspicuous consumption were somehow inappropriate for the moment and out of step with the vibe of the moment, and then you're saying kind of different way to approach fashion and suddenly. All that Razzmatazz and GLITZ and. Extravagance and money and he's just An oculus seemed wrong. And then you had. GRUNGE and everything changed. Invoke the nineteen nineties is presented by a winter and produced by Jasmin Galera Julia Toil, Kinsey Clark, and Talk Zan. Our executive. Producer is Alex Koppelman. 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How to Build a Life-Saving Nonprofit from the Ground Up: Advice from Christy Turlington Burns

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33:07 min | 9 months ago

How to Build a Life-Saving Nonprofit from the Ground Up: Advice from Christy Turlington Burns

"I, love it when I see brands genuinely stepping up during times of need he energy and its brands like always oral B. and Vicks or doing whatever they can't help our communities and I couldn't be more proud to be your partner. They're distributing masks, hand sanitizer and cleaning products to the communities who need it most tied cleaners is giving free laundry services to healthcare workers, and Gillette, and Ole. are also providing shaving and skincare products to ensure their masks fit properly. Thank you G for stepping up as a force for good in donating millions to support our communities. Welcome to made by women a new podcast by the Seneca Women podcast network and iheartradio. At a moment when businesses face some of the biggest challenges in recent history, we bring you inspiring stories, practical insights, and shared learnings to help you successfully navigate in today's environment. Every Thursday made by women. We'll showcase the experiences of legendary women, entrepreneurs fierce up and comers and everyday women who found success their own way. Consider. This your real world NBA. Designed for the new now. I'm Kim as a rally and thanks so much for joining us today. The business world is full of pivots, but few have redirected their careers quite the way Christy Turlington Burns has done to have enormous impact. One of the world's most famous supermodels she has spent the past ten years creating and building a highly effective nonprofit mother counts. The goal of every mother counts is to bring down the number of maternal deaths worldwide, the death rate is unacceptably high says, Christie including in the US and most of those deaths are preventable. Every mother counts provides the education advocacy and support that's making a difference but getting the organization to where it is today was a long journey. It started with Christie's own experience in childbirth and her desire to make pregnancy and birth safe for every mother. Building this nonprofit has taught her invaluable lessons in leadership and had built an organization with impact. I sat down with Christie to her fascinating journey and what she's learned along the way. Kristie, thanks so much for joining me. Thank you so much for having me. Kristie you became world-famous at a very young age through your incredibly successful modelling career, and since then you have really used your power for purpose to address the critical issue of maternal health through the founding of every mother counts. For our listeners, can you tell us a little bit about every mother counts? I founded every mother counts in two, thousand ten and the impetus for getting involved in maternal health and becoming an advocate for global maternal health was a personal experience when I delivered my daughter grace who's now sixteen almost seventeen I had a postpartum complication. You know at the time, it was very ready and prepared for this phase of my life and I felt well supported in had lots of options for my healthcare. And yet the unexpected happened. But that experience really opened my eyes to a global tragedy, which is maternal mortality and asserted that journey then and I think. Partially the experience but then also the realization that there were hundreds and thousands of girls and women around the world who happen dying having very serious complications that were related to childbirth I was shocking to learn but also really I guess compelled me to want to do something about it, and so I started this journey in it took me a little while to figure out exactly how and what when I would do what I've come to do but it was a process of learning. And then going back to school and studying public health and global health, and then figuring out what I could contribute meaningful way to try to prevent these unnecessary deaths. So I hope in this conversation, we'll get into a lot about maternal health both globally and also here in the. US. But first, let me just take you back for your personal story. Where did you grow up? How did you get into modeling and did you always know you wanted to start organization dedicated to advancing women? No I did not know. I grew up in northern California. I'm from the East Bay area, my parents both worked for Pan. American Airlines my mom was a flight attendant. My Dad was out seven, forty, seven pilot, my mom's from Central America. So I guess I had this connection to a country and a community that were different than the community and country that I grew up in, and so I guess a credit her to kind of opening my eyes early on in having the experience of going back and forth to a developing country and having the kind of young brain to like just taken information in sort of. Disparities kind of really struck me van still do now I started modeling when I was like fourteen years old and it seems crazy now that I have a teenager of my own. But we moved as a family to Miami when I was about ten because of my dad's Job Panamerican was headquartered there and my dad was a training captain for a few years and then my sister and I were. And we were discovered for lack of a better word one day while writing our horses and taken to her photographs taken and with my mom permission, of course. Those photographs ended up into the hands of a local agency who then linked to be back to New York and so you know I I didn't know I'm so young at the time that I honestly didn't know like I didn't even look at a fashion magazine I didn't really know what a model was to be honest I was. Kind of mouthful of braces I still don't think of it as a career although I still do model on occasion and you know what? For me was exciting about it was travel like right out of the gate that was something that I had inherited through my parents like a love of travel and seeing the world and being off the beaten path and I just had the Siri adventurous kind. Of Spirit and so for me at at job, what it offered was independence because I was able to earn an income, be able to contribute a little bit to my family right? The dream it dream the dream and so yes, you know I, I stayed in school until I graduated high school and that I literally moved into my first apartment like days before he turned eighteen and I thought like. City and I am so independent. What life, and then as soon as I wasn't a student anymore who is a model like in my summers pert time suddenly, I didn't Lake I didn't like that. Like that description that didn't like it didn't feel like me. Right, so I started thinking about going back to school pretty early but I didn't actually do until I was about twenty five. So I'd say ten years into like working pretty steady I was like, okay. Now it's time and I enrolled at Nyu and that's kind of where I feel like I started to become a little bit more. I. Don't know committed to figuring out what I wanted to do and what explore the various interests that I had a started to. Experiment a little bit with philanthropy and you know I various causes in my youth were becoming also kind of pandemics. HIV AIDS I grew up with me when I was eighteen nineteen years old I was losing people quite often. I. Knew many many people who had had HIV AIDS and who as a result passed away. Part, of those early drug trials, and so I had also some personal experience in interested global health from that perspective, and then you know over the years got to be part of some other incredible endeavors working on quibble health whether it was you know the one campaign early days or read when that was initiated after and I got to continue to travel but also start to learn about disparities right? Because not everybody has the same access to information let alone drugs, random services, and then I lost my dad when I was in my late twenties from one cancer and so again, public health like That's. One of the things that I go back to a lot when I think about my exposure to public health Zyban smoker in my early twenties and late teens to probably a losing my dad lung cancer while I was in in college at that was a huge Atar awakening and opportunity yeah. It was hard but I also, you know the way that I dealt with it was jumping in and learning all I could learn and then sharing my story sharing the story of my dad sharing my own story having been addicted to tobacco and cigarettes, and so I got in fairly early at a at an important time for prevention cessation around tobacco products. That was my first foray was going to the capital, a lot and I testified. With Senator Lautenberg in New Jersey. There's all of this tobacco cases and trials, and so I was able to lend my voice at a really critical time for that particular public health crisis, and so by the time I became a mom years later and there is another kind of crisis happening. I had some experience and some practical knowledge that I was able to put towards this issue, which is the one that I've been dedicated to for so many years now. You started every mother counts in two thousand ten. You tell us a little bit about the issue itself and you know we often think about maternal mortality being a developing world issue but I think you've educated us to the fact that that's in fact completely false. Yom. In. When? I started to learn about maternal mortality I really like I was shocked because I thought you know I'm becoming a mom and I don't even know that that that. This is an issue still like in the twenty first century that women are dying bringing life into the world So I that first realization event like digging a little bit deeper for me I. Think once they learned that there was a problem I thought. Okay. Well, clearly, this is happening in in low income countries. If it's happening at all, it's going to be happening in places where you know there's an infrastructure, there isn't a health system and then I learned in that process of exploring what was happening outside the United States that the US was ranked horribly also, we are in our second decade. Maternal mortality rates have continued to be on the rise and we are one of only two industrial. Desk sized countries with a rising maternal mortality rate. So back in two thousand and three when I became a mom, I think we were ranked forty first in the world and today we are ranked fifty fifth. So we've fallen really far behind in just ten years in just a decade. So you know I look at this issue as a global tragedy. which it is, and still there's this education curve around letting people understand that the United States is part of a global community. You know in two thousand, eighteen when I started every mother counts it was really important year for this issue, I think in part because the Millennium Development Goals were at the halfway point on maternal and child health maternal and health. Actually were the goal that had the least progress was they were lagging and to me that just felt shocking like why are women Myron and babies the ones that are not getting the carrot attention they need. So before starting the organization, I actually made a documentary film not films called no woman no cry and so between two thousand and eight in two. Thousand ten trial around the world really documenting stories of women and families, and meeting a lot of women in their final stages of pregnancy. It's not knowing how their stories would play out where the settings of they were delivering their children what kinds of access to they have an initially you know just distance itself was a huge barrier, the other piece was. Being able to access like trained skilled providers who were able to not only recognize complications before they were emergencies but also were equipped to be able to care for the women in this various cases that would come through the door, and then you know just two thousand and ten that really wasn't the awareness or the political will I would say in a number of countries. Including our own. You know there was this kind of building momentum a few first ladies and men a few heads of state restarting to talk about it as the millennium developments were getting traction and starting to build and I think the timing of my film coming out in two thousand ten in me coming out with it with you know some visibility in some recognition like. Having a platform to be able to talk about it, and really the film became this great medium for people to be able to see like their strangler statistics pretend to be able to see the faces here women speaking about their struggles in their challenges. But then also putting a framework which was look what can be done and so getting bad awareness and bringing people into that conversation not just heads estate or policy makers but everyday people. Like myself who gone through birth had a complication. And were able to have the care that they needed in that critical time when they needed it most that was the group of people that I really wanted to engage in. So a big part of what every mother counts has stood for really is you know it's we've been invitation for more people to participate in becoming part of the solution right? Give people the language and platform. To be able to share their stories to be able to bring others in to be able to point them to what kinds of policy change needs to happen. It's interesting. You say two, thousand three when you had your daughter because I lost a friend who I grew up with. Brooklyn. In two thousand and three she was giving birth to twins and she asked away. Yeah and I was You. Know even as you're talking now I was thinking that you know her story seemed very isolated and it was so upsetting, but it just seemed like something bad that happened to her and I think there's a little bit of this kind of isolating the stories in a way so that we don't see it as this issue, which is that this is a systemic issue that's happening in. This country in every country and there are concrete things that we could be doing. That's right I mean sadly, you know you can't really pick up a magazine or newspaper today without reading story about a maternal death and it's not to that they weren't happening before might your friend but as you say, they were not getting any kind of media attraction for sure I think in part because. My sense is that they're still so much fear around it. I. Think there was a time not long ago where people did die in childbirth they died in childbirth frequently just hiding alone has made such huge advancements in public health. Now, we have so much more information and I would say hospitals became sort of primary place where women would deliver their babies and then what we found a retired was that choppers became incredibly over medicalising and so we have. We have women who are dying in this country because they have chronic health conditions, they might not have insurance. They might not have adequate coverage where they're not coming to care not seeking care as early as they should be able to address. Their health conditions, you had issues of racism, institutional racism, systemic racism, and you have explicit and. Implicit bias at our institutions that are medical facilities but you also have a case of medicals Asian so you have you know perfectly healthy women who could deliver naturally. You have our system saying, yeah you know we actually want to induce you and we're going to rush this this. Very, normal physiological process and in doing. So with drugs, you know there are instances where those drugs are causing heart attacks or hypertension, and that's putting women at risk and when women have Serie C sections, it's real surgery. Right sets people up for potential risks and certainly postpartum risks or subsequent complications with their. Next pregnancies and so there's a whole lot of things that that could be avoided. If we were looking at, you know at this in a more comprehensive or holistic way, you are really trying to influence the way. The World thinks about this issue educating as you say, policy makers, influencers, and everyday people to understand this issue. If that wasn't hard enough, you're actually building an organization which we all know building any organization comes with struggle. So what challenges have you faced in building your organization maybe give us an example of one of your most difficult moments and really what gives you strength in those moments I had started a couple. Of businesses so I could like in the experience of starting a nonprofit to some of the learning that I experienced with starting businesses I guess looking back I think what's really important? No matter what you start is having a plan right having a clear plan, a business plan. I was clearly taking this seriously, but I didn't see myself actually starting an organization I started with a with a campaign and the campaign resorted to help the film along and I thought there were a lot of organizations out there and many of them had maternal health as one of their focuses. But what I found after a couple of years was that. Not, any of them had mother at the center of them right. There is a lot of organizations that were very focused on on the baby and they were looking at the mom as really the vessel of like healthy start to childhood childhood development and all those things but not for the mom herself. So interesting. Yeah and so the every mother counts and I panicked almost last minute tonight should be call it. That in the end, it was so important that we kept mother in the the name and what the organization would called and what we stand for, and what we do is that it's just that like we need like the mom to be center of this because you can't have a healthy child healthy family without a healthy mom there wasn't any organization who was saying like, Hey, lay people who are not a policymakers. Share, your story people here this information they say, what can I do and so we really became that entity and I. There's a lot of learning that happened like I thought when we went to the process of becoming a five. Oh, one C. Three I'd always heard that is took a long time. Right is could take a couple of years for us. It didn't take long and suddenly there were. So we had to neither put aboard together I had to like. Start to hire people at I didn't want to move too quickly. I really wanted to make sure that we weren't just there because we were being told to be there because there was a gap I really wanted to his as mindful and thoughtful about what we were going to be in. So I wanted to go slow and yet there was this opportunity and the time was right time was passing or getting towards the end of the Millennium Development. Goals there is conversations about what the next set of goals we're going to be with sustainable development goals like the it was needed now So you know looking back after ten years. I don't know that I could do it any differently, but I sometimes thinking like, okay, I want to be more plannable and yet you can plan plan plan and then who knows what's GonNa Happen Honestly I now have the team that probably couldn't have been by my side in those early days and so over time and trying to figure out like where could we have the most impact starting small and then you know learning through our partners and having like really working on the sort of trust based glance remodel, which is. Like I, view our grantee partners around the world as true partners, and they know better than anyone what their needs are and what the needs of their communities that they serve aren. So really being a an entity that could really get behind those individuals in those smaller grassroots organizations unrelated to support system that they needed to be I really think of ourselves as like an engine that can really help incubate other ideas and other models of care that are effective but too small and falling through the gaps from these larger NGOs. It's so interesting what you said about timing because I think in every entrepreneur story, there's always this incredible timing question right like things happen when they're supposed to happen and you want things happen that don't happen you have to kind of plan but at the same time be very nimble because you really can't control. Yes. There are those very difficult moments. So when you doubt yourself and you're you're thinking, why did I do? This is even GonNa work have you had those moments and if so what gives you strength in those moments? Yeah and I feel like at made some decisions around hiring sometimes which have not been ideal. You know it's like we had a lot of volunteers early on because. We were small people wanted to be in participate and I think that seemed like such a gift like how how, mazing what's. And then of course, as you grow, you know you have to professionalize. At a certain point you kind of get what you pay for. You also need to see people that became a no a big step in in professionalizing, and so much more clear about like what our needs are and really getting the person. That's the right fit. For that we're still a small team or eleven people I feel like my team right now is is so strong and they all have such unique skills to be able to bring to the table and I want to be the kind of leader that surrounded myself with people who are creative thinkers that are problem solvers but that are also that you. You mentioned Nimble Agile, right right. Other challenges. Gosh, and the I think there's been a lot of funders that have come to us and wanted to give us more money than we even ready to You know be able to deploy to be honest but to do something very specific that wasn't necessarily what we were meant to be. Right. So there were early days where I said no to large foundations in people say like how did you do that and I thought I don't want to get into position where it's the tail wagging the dog I don't WanNa be pushed into a corner I wanNA have the. Ability, to evolve into move as we need to end, if you get stuck because you have a funder that sort of calls the shots for you, I can see how much of a trap that was in in the NGO world and I didn't want to be a part of it. So that made us have to be creative and had to find other ways to raise funds and really our goal was raising funds, but primarily to educate the public. So could we educate the public engage people and get them to feel like they were a part of something part of a movement part of a solution and so That's been like figuring out our own way and there's a lot to be learned from what people have done. Another organizations have done out there I'd ask questions, how would you do differently? Why did you choose this country? This I mean we bit off more than we could chew early on to like we're a tiny organization where we have a partners in six countries, and at one point, we had eight countries like that's not manageable because he didn't want to make a commitment and then have to renege on a commitment when you're talking about people's lives and so how do you learn and how do you figure out? What's your threshold? Where can you know? Where does it become a strain on another organization where where you know where do you become not the value add that you imagined yourself to be in? So that just takes a lot of like a lot of of reflection. I was GONNA say soul-searching exactly. My Gosh starting at a nonprofit I often tell people that are busy like there's no exit strategy. Right misnomer. Chatterjee. Not, that I want to stay in business businesses that example to right like if you do what you what you set out to do if you stay with your mission, the hope is that these. Stupid deaths relate to call the desert or unnecessary. They won't be happening anymore. You need to be there until you get there and I don't see our issue particular being the kind of issue that just goes away and ten years you know that's so interesting. So it's really a mindset. So you really have to have your North Star just like you did when you were deciding what funding to take you kind of have to keep true to your mission and be flexible as to what's happening for example, right now with Covid, how is that affecting every mother counts? So as covid hit the first thing that happened, which was really surprising for us in a way was the conversation. Immediately went to people are afraid of hospitals people pregnant people don't want to go to the hospital to deliver and that resonated in such a strong way because first of all, we advocate for a number of safer settings for women and having more birth options, right than just hospital births, and around the world, we need to do better to have more options for women who are terrified how do we address their concerns? How do we protect not only the moms and the families that are afraid to go into these facilities but then do we really make sure that that the health workers are adequately protected in early days that wasn't happening? So there was fear on all sides we know. That fear based medicine fear based healthcare is not good for anyone, and so that was one of the first things that we did I joined a task force the governor Cuomo. Set up that was around Kobe and maternity care and his office helped us to sort of broaden the definition of safe birthing sites in the New York area, and we were able to identify great partners who had are in Brooklyn who were able to they've found a cited. There was already this process of trying to get this person who are running, but we were able to help expedite that, and so this percenter is now up and running it's. Called the Jasbir Center of Manhattan because it's it's based in an old jazz hostile that's provision and it was a perfect setup. It's functioning really well, and we made these advances already covert where now they're always safety protocols which have been implemented across the board in not only the New York state but across. So many states because New York really was a front runner in learn so much early on and has been so open about what? Happened, and then I think for for a lot of people seeing this sort of, I, covet than the disparities the striking. Information about most vulnerable to the pandemic and what which populations were the ones not getting the care because they already weren't getting the care who was suffering the most who was not getting you know getting seen these are the same populations that we've been focusing on. Trying to support through all of grassroots community led partners right. I understand like how systems need to be strengthened how the way people are trained to receive people that again, this racism, this bias that exists in our in our system Howitt's harming people and so. Yeah, I mean, a lot of the storytelling we've we've created over over many years getting burn America's the film series that I launched before last election. Just. To keep internal health like you know up on the agenda in the election process. And we didn't think we had to write. So in this four year period, it's been actually an incredible time to drum beat louder because the need is been so clear and as we know women's health has been targeted at as planned parenthood has been targeted as more and more facilities have been shutdown and women live farther and farther away from from quality. CARE. You know it. It's been such an important time in. So there are more bills that have maternity care. At the center, there's a whole mommy bus of bills that has been introduced by the Black Maternal Health Caucus and lots of legislators including camera Hera's Senator Booker. And and because of Covid at because a lot of those bills hadn't been passed, they've been able to integrate language. That is cool specific. To address disparities, racial bias, all these things that were there. But now this is opportunity and so again, going back to the timing is everything. The silver lining of this pandemic for us is that it's really woken up a lot of people to to the systemic problems and the populations who are are truly the most vulnerable and will remain so. Until. We're able to get a real handle on this. Well, that leads me to my last question but just hearing what you've just said makes me very optimistic but obviously, these are very difficult times for everybody. What makes you optimistic in this very difficult time? In addition to seeing these opportunities come up and to be in a position as organization to be able to say like I know. So many a solutions to these problems popping at to be able to help like silicate those conversations to bring more voices to the. to bring more diverse wastes to the tables. That has been that that gives me hope because there's your receptivity that people want to hear those perspectives now more than ever. But I have to get my own kids honestly, my daughter is blowing me away by focusing and her passion for Social Justice and hurt her use of her own platform, which is relative to you know who she is in the world but it's she's relentless like she is gone a day without posting about Brian Taylor, not a day. I see this this group of youth who are participating in such a way that I don't see them becoming complacent make other generations like my generation was just to see that this like the youth culture like. People are are awake and I hate the expression woke but they are in a time when they understand technology and they understand the positive impact of the connectivity about community and they eat have a voice. and. They know the power of that voice and so I gotta say that might my kids and their peers and you know. Kids that I don't even know that Susan Sparring me right now he's giving me hope. While Christie thank you so much for joining us. We look forward to everything you continue to do with every mother counts and we will be there. Hopefully Seneca woman can support you in lots of ways but I hope I, hope our listeners now get a sense of the incredible impact you have made for the last ten years and will continue to make. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Such good and important work Christy Turlington. Burns shows us why truly every mother counts. Christie has built a highly effective and impactful organization and there's so much. We can learn from her experience as a social entrepreneur. I have a plan and be prepared for success as well as failure Chrissy thought it would take a long time for her nonprofit to get going. But when things fell into place more quickly than she expected, she had to move fast to build a board and hire staff second be smart in you're hiring you want diversity voices and talent, and you want people who are Nimble Agile and who can deliver and if your organization depends on volunteers realized a certain point, you'll have to add professionals to your team if you're going to grow. Finally stay true to your North Star to the kind of organization you envision when one large Gandhi offered much-needed funding Christie said, no, she didn't want a major donor calling the shots or if she says the tail wagging the dog, she stuck to her vision and the enormous impact and success of every mother counts speaks for itself. Made by women is brought to you by the Seneca Women podcast network and Iheartradio with support from founding partner. PNG.

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Gwyneth Paltrow: No Makeup, Lots of Skin Care, Tricks to Beat Frizz, and...F*ckability

The Beauty Closet

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Gwyneth Paltrow: No Makeup, Lots of Skin Care, Tricks to Beat Frizz, and...F*ckability

"<music> Hi I'm Gene Godfrey June and this is making o.`Neil where the beauty editors that goop and you're listening to groups newest podcast series the beauty closet. We're GonNa talk about all things things beauty clean nontoxic beauty especially but skin-care haircare bodycare self care and hopefully the way we think about beauty both as individuals and in the wider culture you could say that our guest today is pretty special so that's an understatement because today we talked to Gwyneth paltrow. Even though we work with our all the time it was really a different conversation. It was so cool yeah it did. It was the best I remember when G._P.. Launched the big podcast she interviewed Oprah and she was like Oh my God oprah yeah. She's kind of our Oprah's. Yes we'll get to the whole thing in just a few seconds. I let us tell you about the blow dryer. We cannot stop talking about around on the group office. That was everyone's obsessed with it. I like people are it's a big thank you to our friends. At dyson who are making this podcast possible. We've discovered some really incredible beauty eighty secrets here at the goop clean beauty shop and best in class in clean nontoxic super effective and super luxurious skin body makeup hair products make all the difference or recent favorites is the dyson supersonic sonacare dryer. It's something of a miracle of high tech engineering with bordering on miracle results we love that it's the fastest drying with a superpower digital motor and then it measures airflow temperature over forty times a second so it protects your her hair from extreme heat damage and preserve natural shine they've done testing and it boosts your shine by one hundred thirty two percent which is crazy and decreases frizz by sixty one percent compared to naturally dried hair. It's a full on as if you went to the salon blow dry at home in record time and all different hair types can get benefits. The supersonic comes with magnetic attachments that work for curly hair sensitive scalp fine hair kinky hair you name it and the Brilliant Thyssen engineers ears put the motor in the handle so it's way easier to use that a regular blow dryer to learn more about the dyson supersonic go to dyson dot com slash beauty closet high again gene in a mega ready to share chat with G._p.. Yes I love this so much. I thought G._P.. Said some really profound things. She's always so funny. I loved I mean we talked about her relationship to make up. She's always she does those makeup. Free Cell Fees and some of you know the whole Internet goes crazy but she you know it's really how she feels. We talked about who she thinks is really glamorous. She had some really good answers there and I loved about her her perception option of herself and what it means to be beautiful that she's getting older. She talked about getting an upgrade at forty which I love. I just think that's the it's the smartest thing yeah I I love that partout and I also love what she talked about when we asked her when she feels the most beautiful and when Brad thinks she's the most beautiful so sweet so kids and I loved the way she talks about and she talks about this at work to about how we'd all be a little better off if we cut ourselves and each other there are a little slack when it comes to the choices we make women <hes> and I would totally subscribe to her wedding diet the whiskey and French fries. If you're getting married again your wedding was so beautiful you had the best bride outfit of all time. Thank you on that note. Let's turn it over to G._p.. When you were growing up we into beauty and like as a kid or were you just not at all our no? I was a real tomboy. I still am I. I think a lot of respects but when I was in elementary school I was mostly in Los Angeles. I did I in third grades in New York City but for the most part I was here in Santa Monica and it was a very like be like oshkosh overalls like you know we there was this line of tidei close called Flash and trash. It was like that was like my early childhood and then we got really into being preppy happy so it was like izod dolphin shorts and that whole like John Hughes like look and make up really never played into it. I remember when I graduate was graduating sixth grade and we were having like with the first time I experimented with eyeliner are very lightly. When you're graduating yeah no just from sixth grade? I know it sounds very dramatic and like was your mom like your forbidden to wear makeup or like get didn't even come up. I mean it's interesting. I think she wasn't such a makeup that person at home either and so I'm trying to even remember. I must've taken an eyeliner from her. When I I tried it and I think there's definitely like are you or little young to her eyeliner when I was eleven and you're like I'm going to do this? You've talked talked about watching her on stage. was there anything about the the glamour of being on stage in the sort of the beauty aspect of it or not so much I mean I always sort of thought that the stage makeup was kind the weird part and really like the best part of it was just watching her be so incredibly powerful up there she was like so in her element but then I think as a child felt like I remember trying to put her lips on her. You know how young stage and stuff like that like I liked her. As that sort of character you know like actress mom powerhouse and they're actually pictures of me when I'm really little she's in the makeup chair and I'm putting lipstick on her. Did she ever give you any like beauty tips. No she's not a beauty. I think I got my dispassionate makeup routine from her. I mean she really like on a normal day. She didn't wear makeup either. You know like my best friend's mother growing up Dina she was she still in her daughter still my best friend but I remember member growing up with Diana and dino is so glamorous and really you know had eyeliner and Mascara and lipstick and she was really tall and thin and you know had these like fabulous high waisted pants and big hearings you know she was like to me. She was an short dark brown hair. She was like this kind of this vision of like what I thought Oh a glamorous women and I was fascinated by her beauty routine but got my mom was like pretty chill and so I was more like my mom but I think I was always fascinated by a woman who really took the time to make a statement about how she looked and how she leveraged. I make up clothes and hair to do that like I just did not grow up in that was not like that in my house while mom was very laid back but do you do you get glamorous for a date night out like you're no makeup during the day at work sadly from husband the now the only time I'd do it is if I have to go be Gwyneth paltrow on a red carpet or something like that and then I have my hair and makeup done. I mean you have a blow out. 'cause my hair gets really early. frizzy is this this is a blowout. Oh my God yeah I love your trick. You have your hair not just air dried and then like do a little little straighten her over the top do straight out of the bottom. It's it's called the kitchen kitchen now way. Eh Parts called the kitchen yeah. That's all my black friends. Say this but I don't know so it's underneath that with it's sort of like you pull your hair up and the part underneath that you're doing Brigitte Bardot and the part underneath the kitchen and that's what you do with with straight iron that's just that's the only part due at the straight iron because that's the really frizzy part and this part on top more wavy so that's like my main beauty trick for for every day no but I love that and face away all he soil so good D- do you remember first discovering it. Wherever I I remember being against it when somebody was like Washer face with oil or put oil on your face and then all of a sudden I like fell in love? I remember Christy Turlington years ago. Oh had some kind of iron natick skincare line. It was like an oil. I remember that can't remember the name of it but I remember her explaining it to me. In saying there's this myth at oil as bad for your skin and that was the first time I was like Oh interesting and I tried her product and then I kinda got into face oil from that yeah you really it makes you feel like you need less makeup. If you wear a Mecca yeah I think he you know I'm a big like face washer and exfoliating later. I feel like you're the champion exfoliating of all time that might be true. How did you always like I always liked scrub? <hes> I remember going to those like in my twenties. The Koreans bothering downtown L._A.. And they do your body and they dear face like they take take that many thing rub and I just love that feeling of like getting scrubbed energetically and physically head is a detox feeling that's for sure I love what you say about getting an upgrade grade forty. Santa's got a little while make cited to turn forty. Yeah it's good. I love turning forty. I mean the lead up to forty was the anticipation was a little scary but then wait. The fifty not everybody says I you know I saw Dion von Furstenberg last night and the glamour she talk about Glamour and she said to me you know she always like just drops these wisdom Adam bombs on you and then like goes and has her dinner or whatever but she was saying how the fifties are the most magical time she felt so fabulous and herself and help the environment and she said fifties are the best actually really fell in love with herself and her best relationship in her life is with herself so I know I know it was very cool and she looks beautiful. That was a question we had for you is about about about like yeah. I think it's always amazing when you have someone who's a little older than you or a lot older than you that that says like hey it's own so bad. Actually it's fantastic and I think also I grew up kind of being around these incredible women like at you know my parents Christmas parties or whatever there would be like Anjelica Huston over here. You know like these amazing or these like Geraldine page is amazing stage. Actress suggests was aging her way okay and I I feel like my whole life. I've had amazing role models for beauty and women just embracing who they are and not be horrified. That doesn't mean that you can't you you know get a facelift or I don't think the two are mutually exclusive like obviously think there are women who take that really to the extreme and who seem like they're trying to be twenty-five but then there are some women who are like hey I'm sixty but I just WANNA look a little bit fresher and told there's but yourself and that's it happens at age twenty. I've been watching Love Island. What does that it's? It's an English reality show and it's all all like nineteen year olds and the genuinely a bunch of them already look like much older women because they've had crazy work done and that's the where you're not trying to look like yourself different things to me to that now. You can't tell is twenty. Five year old was fifty or if there's specific thing going on with that stuff. Do you feel the most beautiful now or when what what age did you did you. Do you feel fearful. I mean it's hard because I feel like ache. I've never felt like I've always felt so funny about my looks and like I think I think that it's very rare to think that you're beautiful person and so I feel like every other woman like I don't see that when I look in the Mirror I think for me it's more internally feeling healthy. As I go on in life and I feel more and more myself I self and less judgmental about myself and you know my values become clear to me. I can be an integrity all the time which was much harder when you're younger woman trying to please and juggling all this stuff and then I have this other added bizarre layer which is I've been considered to be this woman beautiful women well. You know how I'm piping considered considered non and not by everyone but but it's a weird it's a weird thing to be. I don't mean pejorative way objectified but like cast is something and put in a box and then I think when you come to age if if you're if you have this broad identity as that like what does it mean to two goals and yeah get closer to menopause and all these things and it's like what happens here identity as a woman if you're not fundable and Oh yeah what does happen well you just luckily what's happening at the same time in parallel as I said like you just start to like yourself. It's like Dion. I number was saying like fuck man I and I do. I think you get to a point where it's almost like. You're sort of pulp or toot is waning in a way and your inner beauty is like really coming out and so that it's this funny shift that's happening happening. It's like you feel so good. You know who you are. Hopefully you value the relationships in your life and your work and your contribution to the world and when you're in your forties like that's the idea but then you're like wow I have crows was feet damn enough right. I was just with my girlfriend goop escape thing with that which was amazing and I took a Selfie and we were like laughing and then I was like wow those this cruise fee just sometimes you're like. Is that me yeah. Everyone's for some reason mine have been bothering lately. What can you do for that because Bo talks crazy? I have friends who Bo talks right there. There's I ah I haven't it looks totally fun. Yeah definitely Oh and you don't have crows but nothing wrong with four particularly beautiful day. What did you want for your wedding day? When you were thinking about the beauty we'll again? I just wanted to look like myself but I definitely wanted. Make you know because like I think in pictures of I have no makeup like I can look really washed out. I'm very blonde like my eyelashes are blonde. My eyebrows author Blonde beautiful like is really pretty but somebody yeah and then to have like of Drass that Super Hanania little makeup but I really didn't want it to look like a lot of makeup so my old friend Gucci Westmin- did Eh. She's the greatest and she's I think good at like very minimal minimal definitely make up and so it didn't do line so amazing and she's so sweet and she's good old friend and I just had like some old friend my old friend Orlando did what my favorite d. He did. The kids the the catch Orlando doesn't doesn't wash his hair right yeah like ever and the best like I know she's hair ever yeah he had been with. I mean he'd been with me and all these huge moments. In my life I did my hair for the Oscar only all these big things and and he was in New York's very sweetly got came out to the beach and did it see felt good fall and I had an anesthesia facial that day nice so she came from London I had to in a row all the lymphatic drainage and the you know L. likes face massage deep dot Shaw and feel so good if as massage Oh my God it was amazing yeah. I think that makes a big difference yeah energy. When does your husband thank? You look the most beautiful do you thank you now. He loves it when my hair's frizzy and I have freckled and no makeup and he just likes me super supernatural. That's great like the other night I went to the vendors premier and I met him at a birthday. They and I was really dolled up and everything so good. He's like you look beautiful but I really really prefer the other way. Rant was very sweet very I know he's his cue and do your are either of your kids into clean beauty at all or are. They just like I mean they're so funny my son I mean he's not big into products. Many has you know shampoo. Yeah you know he takes baths at night yeah Oh yeah and he he'll always be like is this clean. Oh My god Oh golly well these thirteen or just turned thirteen apple on the other hand like she makeup she just does her. I mean they really and to make up and she's amazing doing it but bodies stuff wise she's into clean products as well yeah but but makeup she sort of whatever they buy it Sephora. Let's take a quick break and then we'll get right back to G._P.. You know when you're so busy. It's like your brain is going to explode part of the reason I'm so into the dyson. Supersonic Hairdryer is because it streamlines my routine and leaves my hair looking awesome it uses high tech air multiplier technology and the fastest digital motor so drives your hair super fast and it's engineered with an intelligent he control feature that helps prevent extreme heat damage in fact it helps boost smoothness by seventy five percent and and shine by up to one hundred thirty two percent and decreases spreads by up to sixty one percent compared to naturally dried hair so good. I loved the natural texture and my hair microbes are a bit course kinky and floaty but the dyson supersonic hairdryer takes the texture to the next level. My secret is the diffuser attachment and practically no time dyson engineered all kinds of tack into the Dryer so it's the fastest drying microbes are defined shiny smooth luxurious and still the perfect amount floaty cody. Oh and a lot less frizzy. There are different attachments that attach using ingenious magnetic technology for different styling preferences my friends with straight or texters swear by the smoothing nozzle for shine the styling concentrator for volume and people with fine fine hair loved the new gentle air attachment which is also the one to us. If you have a sensitive scalp the wide tooth comb attachment is a miracle that helps shape your hair and whenever I want to switch up my look and blow up my hair straight at works wonders dyson also engineered it so the dryers. There's easy to use the motors brilliantly inside the handle so it's really designed for balance. The ease factor is a big thing for me. It just completely rule to learn more about the supersonic go to dyson dot com slash beauty closet. <music> okay. Let's get back to our chat with G._p.. How did you get interested in clean beauty in the first place what what drew you to specifically nontoxic and that even the awareness that there were toxins sends in products it? It's been a very long evolution you know I started with me really with food and sprayed food when my dad was diagnosed with cancer in like ninety eight ninety seven maybe is when I first started to put together the idea that environmental toxins had could possibly have an adverse impact on our health and I was doing a lot of reading about it and that's when I also came to understand and how many chemicals are in our world that are untested. We don't know if they're carcinogenic or not. We don't know the dose. We don't know we'd know very little about it actually and then so I started to get very clean around food trying to eat organic but I I was very I just I it didn't occur to me to for a long time. I never made the connection between beauty like what we what I was ingesting and what I was applying and it never occurred and to me that things were trans normally absorbable until I had my daughter and I remember she was probably like four months and I had taken a long massage course a baby massage course so that when uh when I was pregnant and so I could Masada maybe and I remember being given this beautiful basket of from this French like fancy baby line and there was this cream and I was rubbing her with the cream and it was so fragrant and I was like what what is in this like what am I putting on my baby and that was the first moment that I had that bought and then I read ingredients panel and then I started to Google things and then I got obsessed with clean baby stuff and but I still somehow wasn't making the connection and then I was a real victim of greenwashing for a long time like I I had no idea like like if something said natural I assumed it was completely good for you and nontoxic. There's a leaf on the right and the leaf great good go and then it wasn't really until Blair Lawson came to work at Goop who is with us for four years that she really and she came in as the head of beauty and she said to me. Do you realize that some of these things were selling aren't clean and I had no idea and then that's when we that's when we started really putting together the clean beauty platform and my education went up a whole other level and I remember I would you know texting her pictures of because my dot we had just moved to l.. A. Recently and my daughter had discovered heard a brand like a mall brand. I remember like that I thought was like pretty clean and I remember taking a picture of like the bath bomb radiant and sending it to Blair and Blair was like get that <music> out of your car like don't even bomb yeah and it's still a continuing education to this day and you know we also don't know there's so much we don't know but I think what's fascinating is that it's really clear that the consumer if if it's not going to be regulated for us the consumer wants to be able to make that choice and to make an to buy products that are definitely not harmful right whereas the luxury sorry in. I'm going to spend all this money for this fabulous cream and potentially endanger my health because right and I didn't realize that some of the fanciest most expensive anti-aging creams had antifreeze in uh-huh and things that you would never ever ever WANNA put on your mind yeah and then I learned you know like over sixty percent of what you put on is absorbed absorbed and I just thought this is crazy like why isn't there. They're more transparency here and so I you know I'm actually really proud of what we've done at Goop to be able to establish that platform and you know now I hear people say I know if it's on goop than it's clean and by the way make whatever choice you wanna make I have no oh judgment tools and transparency to make choices that align with my particular values and for for someone going clean. He wants to make the shift to clean nontoxic beauty. What category Corey would you suggest starting with? I always say to people will look at the what has the most real estate. which is your skin from? You know so tatum well. It's really like people use body things neck down and and there's so much real estate so if you're putting rubbing a cream like a body cream from head to tower tanner from head to toe or a body oil from head to toe like that's a lot of surface area yeah win. How curly is your hair? Oh my aunt so curly. I'll I'll do is all let it dry and then I'll send you picture. You won't believe it okay Razi town under here really you talked about having diff- very difficult times after having a baby and and for so many women that such a it's a great time and it's a really difficult time and not all of it at all but part of it is is not feeling your old self. Were there anything that you did to to sort of beauty. Wise is or self self care overused word but it's true you know wellness wise to sort of get yourself back to just I remember I started doing yoga again as soon as I was cleared to do that and that was a really really important part of it with my daughter. It was easier because I didn't when my son I had some postpartum depression and so that it made everything sort of seem a lot tougher and it took me longer to lose the weight. I was starving when I was pregnant really yes starving so I had gained a lot more weight than I had with her and it's so it's such a shame that we're so hard on ourselves when we have babies as an you know I remember somebody saying to me. I was like I feel so fat. I couldn't get into any of my clothes and someone said to me you know you. It took nine months for you to grow the baby and have the baby like it's GonNa take nine months for you to get back to your and it was really interesting moment for me where I realized that's. Why are we so obsessed with? You know it's like I think one of the downsides of modern Western culture took that we hold ourselves to these ridiculous standards all the time including when we just have a baby I mean it's really nuts that we expect to bounce back and lose forty pounds enough you know sometimes you see women on social the media it's like look like wait what we all have to be much easier on ourselves and much easier on each other and not judge other women for how they're choosing to mother or do anything whether they're breastfeeding or not or losing weight or not or let's just like it's very hard as it is and I think I think we all could you know benefit a lot from just being kinder to ourselves into each other. You don't have kids yeah no not yet better gas moving to get moving. Do you WANNA get moving. I do yeah but you know it's like. It's a big deal everything big deal. I know so worth that I'm excited. How how do you WanNa make more diverse from a visual standpoint? Do think we challenge the standard of beauty all this thing yeah I mean I think I think we were actually very pretty visually diverse. I for ECOMMERCE site. I mean we really love models of collar and we have women of color all over the site I think we could do you know we were talking about this other day but there are definitely beauty stories that I think we could serve women of color better with and and I think it's always it's funny. It's like I got asked this question the other day at stand up because we're actually internally a very diverse company right right yeah and I think people have this image that were like white girl girls around and we're really not like it's it's actually we're actually very diverse and somebody was saying like we should talk about that more but I think to be able to be a place where everybody can come and feel represented or you know that are content is resonating and I think for us what I really have always felt like are goop person. It doesn't matter what aid you are what race you are like that person finds us and we resonate. I think we talked about doing content around like specifically black girl hair like a and a lot of my friends to or like I need you know black girl hair content. Can you guys please what is the clean and that amazing Article Yeah article for the magazines a great Peace Now on the site thank you i. I always think like what are the things that are the most resident for everybody but sometimes people need really specific things just for their demographic so I think we're looking at doing them more. I always wonder about your you've had so many alternative wellness lists fabulous treatments in the world so fast some not so fabulous. There's bee stings. There's everything where there some a lot of them are for health and for were were there any that have had sort of beauty results. That you weren't expecting to be honest. I think the thing that one can do that is the most impactful on the countenance as it were most impactful on countenance. I'm so stealing it is food like you like whenever I cut out alcohol caffeine dairy sugar gluten for a week everyone's like did you get Bo talk like just a week and just one week I immediately see by the end of seven days as I can completely see a change in my skin wow yeah. Did you do that before your wedding sadly now I was to stress yeah. I was like a lot going on. I know and we were in like a really intense work time <music>. I'm going to get married. No I was really I would like French fries and whiskey like right up until wasn't good French fries and Whiskey Diet. It's got to have some benefits. It's the new goop way K. very glad I have a question about it from your perspective as a parent or having been parented how how important is apparent in a child's sense of themselves being beautiful beautiful. I think it's critical I mean I think especially you know I think it's critical but I think also unfortunately in this day and age because of social media I mean my kids are sort of the first generation growing up completely as social already been established for their entire lives and so there's the sense of like I need external reinforcement or opinion about how I look and it's terrible and they all they all have some degree of anxiety and and they're focused on their focused on the I mean girls are definitely the girls are they're focused on the external. They're focused on how people are perceiving seeing them. That is hard. It's terribly hard. It's terribly hard. I don't think it's healthy at all. I mean the weird thing is that it's always kind of been there. In terms of Oh you know I grew up with whatever TV show or Vogue magazine inspire to this but now it's just inescapable like the it's twenty four seven. They're being bombarded with what they're supposed to look like dress like way. I think it's traumatizing. Honestly I really do so. I do the best I can at home. Be like you're a fantastic human. Being what else can you do and it's a balance with X.. Talking about their external journal you can't ignore their external but also talking about brain who they really are. Is there anyone in your life who will who will tell you how it is like. It is someone who will be like no. You don't look good today. All my now like yes okay brutally honest with me like should be like that outfits terrible or like you look exhausted or food in your she is so thank God for her. You know she's so honest with me. Also you know I was talking about this. The other day my best friends have I've been friends with four have Bor ben so my kind of role in the world as it were does not play into our dynamic dynamic at all you know so it's very very it's like we have the same dynamic as being fifteen totally honest with each other and loving but I think we all need that like especially me. You know it's like this. Why always say famous name is the worst thing in the world because a lot of people become famous lose those voices in their lives that are like stop or don't do that or talk like that or don't wear that whatever it is you know and then they don't have friction points and then they become it? Just you become less of a a good version of yourself really now. I think it's kind of dangerous to be famous so I thank God that I have. I mean honestly my kids are they. Just tell me everything there so honest. It's fantastic good. They will do it. That's what you can look for my kids. They'll tell you your Isabel Murat booths look like a sorting hat mino- thank you for having me on the beauty closet. Thanks so much for joining us for the first ever episode of goups the beauty closet we had so much fun chatting with G._p.. And we hope you enjoyed the conversation too yeah what she said about getting older. It really made me excited to get older actually and she was kind of into me starting to have kids like getting going wasn't wasn't she. You gotta get it going and I totally agree with her about the getting older. It's one of the things that makes me the proudest about working at goop not cheesy. I think she's really moving the culture forward in terms of reshaping the way we think about aging aging how it can actually be beautiful and fun and it's not this terrible thing. That's going to happen to you yeah I. I really loved what she said about diversity to goop how everyone thinks where this office full of white girls with Blue Eyes and that's not the case actually and it's clearly really important to her personal level it's abroad as she owned by the company level and what we represent on the site and she's been totally gunning for us to be more diverse like showing more gorgeous women of color and our beauty pages for instance or in our fashion shoots and an showing older women heavier women just women yeah so on the site I do a column called Megan tries it and you could ask gene and we get a whole bunch of beauty questions and we're going to answer them all right right now right here today right so should we get into today's. Ask Me anything or ask US anything yes and if anyone listening has a question they want us to answer over here. Just send it over to goop on Instagram facebook. It could be about self tanner grows dry shampoo parabens our favorite bath stoke nontoxic glued or anything else now today's question this one's from Amina she's asking I always look tired especially after a hangover. How do I look instantly more awake instantly more awake Amina? I feel you ivy like even without a hangover. I need this advice. I think it was Helen. girly brown used to right before a party she would splash her face with ice cold water a hundred times one hundred. I think maybe we should do the Wim Hof. Get in the shower with the super ice cold water. That'll wake you up and awake your skin up. I mean it gets your circulation regulation going so I I do think like cold. Water does actually make a big difference. Just blast your face with in the shower. You'RE GONNA wake up a little and just cold anything like even at the arose courts roller like I kinda love that feels so oh God remember. We were like we got in to L._A.. We were trying to offices and ten four. It was so horrible middle. We were so exhausted when we're going to that big meaning and we got automating yeah in the taxi and it did make me feel better it really does we were at work. The puffiness goes. It's good. It's good I also think for just like waking up your skin like if you WANNA go further than cool I think vitamin C <hes> a serum or I love a powder mixed with water. That's what I put on every morning. I don't Wash my face. Just just put a little cool water with some true botanical vitamin C and Splash it on my face and then you wait a couple minutes and you put on moisturizer. I I love to put on a face oil. I like goop face oil or I love. If I'm really needing a thicker moisturizer will lead us skin food amazing and that you don't think of moisturizer hoist riser is something that's GonNa wake up your face but it does it feels in all the the circles and then you could go back over it with the roller. If you're really feeling the other roller Oh my God the the the Jillian Dempsey. Oh Yeah we have this incredible Jillian Dempsey's as a famous famous makeup artist married Patrick Dempsey and she made this vibrating gold t Barbara Lurk and it lifts your face like it really does it it works. It doesn't work all day. It's for like it works for most of the day and then if you were going to go oh out at night and you're like Oh my God. I'm looking tired again. You would do it again toll and it's instant. It's it's like a and it's temporary like it is it's pretty amazing and that if I were feeling tired I would get that vibrating gold t hugh roller yeah get right on it and also and I think I do is just a vase messed like the Jasmine Garden one from Lindstrom. It just smells so insane and that wakes you up but it's just like this beautiful spread said ads like a burst to your skin. Ah One more to mark if you're if you're like I'm chronically looking tired and you happen to be a pale person self tanner. It's GonNa make a huge difference. It people are always like Oh. Did you go on vacation. You look so relaxed. That's a good cheat and and the other one I learned from from Dick page. He's a famous makeup artist and just incredible with color and if you're looking if you've got a hangover and you're looking like hell take a lipstick or a lipid cheek color. Dive a little on on your lips. Get Your Lips looking nice and then take just a little of that exact same color and Dabid right at the apples of your cheeks and you can kind of blended in. I love to do it. I coast this. Rosewater is my like kind of go to color but that like Louis Yeah little color is like Oh. I'm alive. Not all WanNa be alive so thank you. Thanks thanks again for joining us on the beauty closet. You can learn more about our new podcast series at Google Dot.

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Ep 144: To All the Products We've Loved Before

Fat Mascara

35:18 min | 2 years ago

Ep 144: To All the Products We've Loved Before

"Welcome spat miscarriage. It is fat mascara. I'm Jess you're my Valentine. Oh, thank you. Jen. You have beautiful Valentine's Day lipstick on today. That's right guys. We're recording Valentine. Yes. V day insurance is wearing this beautiful excoriates sweater matches. My lips dragging girl. Oh to Nour's. It's always always a favor. Isn't it vide? Classic pod. Fav-? Okay. So before we get into the episode, a little housekeeping us keeping. All right. We have some. It's like sad news. But not really we're going to be dark next week. There's not going to be a new episode. But for good reason starting the week after we are going to be dropping episodes on Tuesdays, and that's my request partially because a lot of people say they like to listen during their commute and during the week. So instead of like, oh my God. It's Friday, and yeah, you have weekend plan. Yeah. Yeah. We are your plans. We will be there on Tuesday. So the next episode after this one is February twenty six and it will be a good one. It seems so far away. But it's actually really close. Okay. Then can we get to what on deck today? Yes. Pleased K. So we're going to talk about New York fashion week. We just wrapped up and then got my throat's making noises. Sorry, and then, you know, thinking a lot about love lately. Maybe it's because develop tines day. Maybe all this like flory's color throwing in my face. Are you still getting married going? Relationship going the relationship stronger than ever an amazing. I should probably give you some wedding updates heard much about it lately. I know I know. All right. We'll do that. And then instead of an interview we're doing a special episode. We got the idea from pitchfork. I'm sure a lot of you guys know the music website. They interview amazing musicians and ask them what their favorite songs were when they were five ten fifteen and twenty do more than that. Right. This is one of their lay regular columns. I don't know. I've always loved it. You've read it you read it to right? But I actually don't know this calm, and we told me about it. I was like that's the coolest thing yet. It shows like how you've progressed through your musical career, blah, blah, blah. I wanna do it for beauty. I love this idea. So smart. Thank you. Bring it to the pod. I have to give credit to Eric. It was actually his idea. I've been so busy at work. See this is my marriage relationships thrives like what do we talk about? So we're gonna share our favorite PD products through the years for each. But that's what we're talking about. So you ready? Okay. Let's do it. Let's get into it. Well, Janet spending sauce team York fashion week where you go to shows. I went to a couple, okay. Yeah. I was in Italy. So I can't claim that I was hitting the ground. Like I have been in previous years. I mean at the start of my career even until just a couple of years ago. I would hit like sometimes I think my record was like seven one day seven and one day. I feel like when I dissolving this backstage reporting, no matter what show I went to you were there zero red hair in the crowd. Always like right up front with your little notebook like analog. You know, this is like pre, you know, voice memo. I also think you learn more with your writing. But whatever it's crazy how much I've I think this happens actually like just as you get older, but how I've taken a step back from being in the mosh pit of backstage. But I think there's also been like a change in the industry. Don't you think -absolutely I was thinking about this. Two. And I remember when we used to go it was pretty much too. You'd get tips because always getting tips that you didn't get elsewhere. But it was to predict trends because everything moved slower fashion was slower. And so you really were seeing trends, but here's my new theory. Okay. The trends that are being predicted backstage aren't looks anymore. So it's not like, oh my God. I'm gonna do pink eye shadows going too big for spring. But it does give you a hint of product trends. And I feel like that's interesting, we'd like color cosmetics. I don't think of that is being trendy more. Like do you ever say like everybody's doing like purple eyeshot of the season? Nobody wears makeup like that. No. You're surely. Right. I think it is about like you're saying product trends, but also like an Instagram moment for the brand or for the actual designer, you know, like if. You know, Dior they're doing some crazy. Look that's going to get Instagram almost like a shock value moment. Not just like, computer. But like if it's paint swatches across the face or like an sick now, maybe not now 'cause you're not gonna see something that's on the face. But it's like almost a PR tool. Just for like, what can they do that? So shocking with makeup that. Yes. Going to get picked up or you know, what's gonna look wack on Kaya Gerber a PR tool. Maybe but another way to think about it. I think I read this in time magazine of all places time dotcom is that it's more of an art piece or an art show now or installation, even with the musicians that were performing this new this week everybody had like like Michael Kors had Barry Manilow. I mean, I gotta say what you will about that. I'm not sure if that was wise is choice, but Lil Kim performed at one. Yeah. And then also there's like there's different the looks are more more artistic. Yeah. Bring out look an actress or model who's just. To be a big splash because it's experimental like have Christy Turlington at age fifty walk. The Mark Jacob show. Totally. Yeah. It has to be more of a statement are like what are we trying to say in twenty nineteen versus like pink Pinkas in. You know, who really like totally freaked out on me one time. Now actually was on me. I retract that. But I loved it. And I think we laughed about on the show. I actually sure we did. So guys go back to this episode's one of my favorites. Who was it Orlando pita, I was gonna say Garin Orlando. I I loved I love you. He you know, he's there to work. He is an artist. And he's also like he's he's working. He's not there to party his not there to take self fees with you. He's there to work, and he is like running around, he's working heart. He's working hard. So I remember somebody asked him something. Like, what do you think the next pay trained? Or something like. It wasn't like a top. Something like, vague and annoying. And I remember him being like it's not a trend or like just something kind of very flat. He didn't freak out. I think he's answered in a way that like was. So it was just a real. And I think you know, like, whatever it was like twenty two thousand five were expecting it. Yeah. Even now, though they know that it is a marketing moments PR moment, they had to be nice that come with the talking points that the little girl with a clipboard next to them being like talk about the new Mark Jacob skincare. Oh, these they're hovering over them. Yeah. Everyone's like held by like the balls. But everyone is everyone's beholden. I still like the energy of it. And I do think sometimes hair we see a little hair hair accessories. I feel like still can get trendy like those word borates that were backstage wearing those but for spring. I'm not ready to or sorry for fall twenty nineteen. I'm not ready to make any predictions yet. So no, I think she got where to say fat. And then was that same Skara, our the mess. Carrewyn alway the fat one. Jen's the weddings on the wedding still on. Okay. Cool. This whole process girl. I came tell you I love that. I decided to get married married. The same year that Mary Clair's beauty department went down one person. Lost a beauty editor. I got a promotion fat mascara took off, you know, let's just at a wedding into that. Shall we? Yes. We're getting married on may thirty first. Okay. You inviting all the listeners. New your wedding, like eight months out, and you were talking about the prep. Okay. Now or six months out. I've already had my hair, you know. Yeah. So I'm just saying, okay. All right. Make. Trust me is not invited. There's like thirty five. It's very intimate. It's very like Jay z n beyond say style. Very intimate. Oh, okay. I'll take the only twenty five people in their four hundred million dollar apartment. But yeah, we'll be getting married in Brooklyn or no actually getting married the courthouse. And then we're having a luncheon in Brooklyn public space. You're all. And then potentially they'll be like bar party or something. But I know what you're really asking is was the beauty. What's look? Well, probably I need to dress. I which I still don't have found address. Is this crazy if I put this picture on the Instagram and crowd source? Everybody helped me find something like insanity like it. Because I thought you meant. Yes. Or no, no. I already went to the fashion label to self portrait dress good sold out. They were like we can't recruit it for you. I was like I'll pay actress Jennifer Goldstein from sky had my fashion people work on it. No. So if I just tell Eric nuts look at fat mascara Instagram for a month. Could I crowd source that help with the lies nurse? I think so I do think that we have very on the Harian because he never does the GI. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to do that. I have idea of what it's going to be an honestly, I know what my beauty look is going to be too. What's it gonna be only gonna say actually guys? I have not heard. This is not like fake news. This is real. This is real remember Saint Ives Papa party. Yeah. Yeah. Or listener party pop up. I just wanna look like I looked to that night. He was very beautiful hair was down and wavy. I your your hair is really nice bohemian. I was okay. Yeah. Clean skin. Yeah. Darker lash line. Yeah. And I think I'm going to read lip. It's just me as you. Yeah. I mean, that means I won't be able to make out with after that's gross. Anyway, there's. There's so much make out that's super growth. So the new controversial thing last thing. I wanna talk about for now, I'm thinking of doing my own hair makeup real. I totally understand the logic. Because sometimes when whenever no sometimes you've gone to like things together we've gotten like our hair and makeup done. And then we will look at each other. Like, no, you know. So I get that. Like, you wanna look like you. But I'm just nervous about the stress of adding that to your to do list for that day. Right. You know what? I mean, you just kinda wanna sit back and like hell glasses champagne the kind of person. I am sitting there while someone is doing my face. And I can't do anything else gets me AGA because I'm like, I should be doing other things. Whereas I have my hands in motion. Okay. Like doing my own makeup and hair. Calms me. Listen, if you want to do that, I want you to talk me out of this because of other people have tried. But like no me, I knew I feel like I could see with the little curling iron and doing all that. I don't want to anything. So. For me seems horrible. But I could see you like, okay, I'm ready. I could see doing this. I do realize I'm going to have to do like a full prep day and just try at once an advance. Yeah. I'm like, I can't just futz around that morning. Let's try leg. Winged. Liner wanna bump it up though? Do you wanna do wanna step it up? Do you want to level up for your wedding? I want to I want to go the route of the trend that you and Kate Middleton started or know what's her name? Who's the guy that got married two weeks? Again, Meghan, Meghan Markle. What's her name? Now. Duchess duchess. Yeah. The like, I look like myself, but better. Why are you? Because we need any Omar. Aso? Do I could do that. I need to Daniel in the house. I mean like that was I needed a like. Sought after makeup artists in the world to look like yourself better like that. I've I'll never looked like that again. Like. I always try talking to the other day. I was like so exactly what liner. Did you use on me? And he told me like, I literally have the in my handbag right now, I could pull it out for you. I do not know how to use it in a way that day does. So like, I think if you want to level up you need a professional to be discussed. You always look good. But if you want something like that little extra bam. You might need to call in a professional. Yeah. That's an impinges. Welcome on Instagram goes DM me. It's five ten fifteen twenty the view Titian. So we're gonna start out of five we're each going to go. And I'm ready to go first if that's okay, we go I and I just want to warn listeners. This is very on the fly for me. This is very instinctual on the cough. And I know that I'm going to like when I leave. I'm gonna like, oh, I should've said this. You didn't practice in advance? No, I really didn't. But I feel like, and I know that there's so much stuff that I'm going to want to say because I feel like I have a lot of memories where those kids in school who like the night before did the project or were you like well in advance. I feel like that's I was pretty well in advance. You're just this just this week. We're going to try this. Yeah. I was really well in advance. It was one time. I forgot the night before. And I will never forget. It was so traumatizing. Okay. Well, don't be traumatized by this. I'm sure you have plenty to say. Are you ready? Yes. Picture five year old gen. Yeah. She has a mullet. The most eft up. You you. Well, I had a mullet because I got lice and my mom had to cut off all my hair. It was just the time that sucks on that note, my hair product is a or my beauty product is a hair products. And I was thinking back visceral memories of Germanic cream rinse. Remember, we talked about cream rinse like glass tweets the cream rinse. I actually did some like history and looking into this. Apparently, there was no hair conditioner like in the nineteen fifties sixties and Leah and then Creamer came around, and it just meant anything that you used after shampoo. So it wasn't like a heavy conditioner that we know today. It was just like any product used after and they were much more liquid because I think the rich conditions were more like treatments, and they didn't have the chemistry to just rinse out cleanly. They'd leave. You know, if you had fine hair, straight hair, even curly hair. So German cream rinse, and it was the last. I I looked up online because I remembered the box came in a box because it was like Jerry bedding. Yeah. And it was the light version for everyday infrequent use. So and then but did you put this in yourself? Did your mom putting your hair I didn't need cream? Rinse beautiful five year old hair. But he was the fancy things just opened it and looked at it. No. And that I'd be like mom can I get cream rinse? It was almost like getting a special treat like ice cream after dinner. I'm getting say, oh nice. So you know, when it was like a bath time. We're like we had a little of sometimes you would do it. I'd have a really nice on your mullet. Cream mullet. So fun. Who was he down cream rinse free? Brits. By story. Jennifer. Says it all. Five years. Five years old. I loved like beauty like I love nail polish and powder, and like all that kind of stuff. I remember I made my mom buy this wet and wild like. Like frosted like purple nail polish, and it was the white top with the triangle with the ribbing around. Eight didn't have trying wasn't trying always wanting talking about this was rounded. And it was not for every day. It was like something because I think maybe my mom had to painted on me. I don't remember really painting on myself that much, but it was like kind of like a treat. It was a treat item five year old needs beauty products. Yes. But it was definitely like I want that. And it wasn't even like I wanted to put it was like I wanted to own the bottle of the purple stuff. You know, it was like you just wanna possess this purple bottle of like stuff. Yes, collective collectible. And I remember where we kept it. We kept it in this like cabinet where the phone book was kept the yellow remember that thick asks yellow, and like we're all the paperwork in the family was kept for some reason. It was just place they're important important things, and this little nail polish thing, and I would like open it up like make sure it was still in case you deserve a trees. Yes. And I don't know we had I swear to God that nail polish was there for like eight years. Yeah. I remember I out, and you could actually see the levels. I don't have enough now where you can see the level down. That's funny. But yeah, I guess beauty is treat. It was very like a mystical thing. And I did wear sometimes I think even when I was able to put I there was a point where I was able to put on myself. That's how long it was there. I like that. Yeah. Jess, okay. Ready for ten so ten year old me got a Perm, isn't that was the thing to do? And he was like so layered that it just I just saw the Queen biopic. But Bahim wraps day. I had the guitarist's hair. Brian May I don't know which one but the good Muhtar. She's really nice look such a nice guy. Really that was my hair, but it was kind of frizzy. So my product of choice was AUSSIE sponge spray. You remember it is a purple bottle? Right. I don't know if it was purple than Igli. Remember it being? Beige with a kangaroo was being read. You may tried to Google to find the images of it. And I couldn't because now it's a it's still around to. And it's still like a favorite. It did make your curls a little bit crunchy. But that was kind of the look, and you could also do up your bangs because remember that like at least at my age. I mean, this was nineteen eighty nine. No. Yeah. About it was like that wave of hair that was essential. Yeah. You could get higher up. Cool. I could never get that. So jealous people who get that. We get a Perm, and you can do it fans that is so cool. This is like fifth grade. What was fifth grade? Jess me, my mom had this bottle perfume that she did not like and it was called. I love this. And so funny, my friend Rebecca's still loves this too. We both were like, oh my God. It's such a gem. It's called design. It's five Paul Sebastian perfume for women. I'm going to flip it over. So the crowd can see. But we'll put this online. I feel like I remember the that seeing that bottle and my past, but I'm not sure. Remember the name of this? There's this bottle, and there's the one that I had which was like a more graphic bottle. It was just like a long to tangle where. Oh, he'll yeah hen. Oh, hell, yeah. Perfume school. But like, maybe I did the cheeky spread. Sometimes it's what are the notes. Got. I have to tell you the okay ready. It says mix of florals fruits and powdery knows is very powdery jasmine Lilia valley, orange, Boston violet. But this is the thing to remember. 'cause this is what is so amazing distinctive sensual dry down. This thing was very sexy. You were ten is so sexy. This was like this was like a working not like a filthy cream rinse my mullet, you're the Creamer small wearing legs fume. This was like this was like sue Gorny Weaver in working where this grins like it was like a bad bitch. Like, I mean business like fr- fragrance. Okay. Just for playtime not for school. Publi I ward at every possible moment that I could. Wow. Rebecca, Warren college because it was like sophisticated fragrance. And I was like are you running design and she's like, oh, yeah. It's like like my like cult sent. She's like, no one knows it. I like Mr. Sebastian should come up with a better name, though. I know isn't that so perfectly eighties design design design. Fifteen right. Yeah. Let's move into the nineties. All right. Well for me, the we're almost the same. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This is the first product that I bought at the department store. Okay clinic almost lipstick in, you know, Connie, of course. So I was like a tomboy this point in my life. I still liked product. But I said all my time in the pool or on the soccer fields and like wearing makeup. I had like a blackberry lipstick for awhile little bit younger. But by fifteen I didn't want anything to do with that. So this was like a hint of a blackberry. Just was like your lips. But darker, I don't even know how to explain it. Still looks good on pretty much everyone. This great also liked it. It was a skinny stick not like a regular lipstick. So I don't know just felt cool. So I bought it for SAFA. I think that's what we called it like tenth grade prom. Yeah. And it was my color like well into I kept buying all the way through college. Even just for like, you're nothing lip balm. But like something it's a nice color. It's it's still around. It's still like. Yeah. There's a trouble version. There's like, yeah. So. I mentioned this before on the podcast of hesitant. Because I was like maybe this is too like redundant. It's not a product. I wore every day. But I did wear a lot. It's like, so it's so weird. It's your body body glitter body glitter. So I was really into glitter in highschool like way too much. I liked all kinds chills. Nail polish eyeliner is if it was glittery, I should say clears into I was like very particular to be kind of glitter, but this Jerome Russell body spray was so good like if you sprayed it into the air. It would look like snow like so beautiful coming down. It was not like sh-. You know, it was this wasn't a Halloween haircut. This was not yet. This wasn't like you spray painting. This was like it was more air than it was glitter in with it has some kind of adhesive where would stay on your skin. And then when you moved you looked like an angel. It was unbelievable. I'm getting the vibes of and I know this. Movie was around when we were both at age, the Romeo and Juliet was baller ones. Yes. I'm just picturing her through the crowd like play and you're dreaming. But also kinda punk and cool. It was punk. But it was like not like aggressive. It was dreamy. But it was like the cardigan or it was so cool, man. And like I would put it like on my hair sometimes or just like a little bit my collarbone, you could just put a little bit in your hand. Like put on your face, the kind of spot treat it. Apply and it was fourteen dollars. Which for me? It was like this is so expensive. I think black Honey was twelve bucks. Actually, I sorry. I think was eight I gonna take John and I got if any you guys like local yokels like the New Jersey, Pennsylvania area. I got at this place called scarlet which was a makeup place in new hope any remembers shout out. Putting her hand. I remember scarlet to remember yet. It was so cool to head the most of ended up interviewing her when I worked at Philadelphia style. She was like out on the scene. But like in the riot girl, grungy, she was so cool. I wonder if it's still there. She was awesome. She had the best brands. So I remember going there and buying like like several at a time. I think I bought like the Japanese rice grain wash time like the cool like non-american product. Anyway, what a fun got to go to new hopes. Get my body glitter. Okay. You ready to college with me? Okay. Let's go. Okay. Twenty year olds in them over up, this experiment. I worked at do gloss perfumery. So I got a lot of love like free stuff. That was either Philadelphia. Yeah. It was German company. Douglas, perfumery whatever loss they tried to like come around like right around wince afforded and for killed them. But anyway, I worked there and there'd always be like stuff that was broke. Skin, or whatever or we get free samples from the reps that would come in. So I from the age of probably eighteen on have never really paid for makeup. So Tony and Tina was one of our brands Tony came to town to do like, a meet and greet at the at the store. I have told you this story, right? You told me that you had a connection to Tony that it was like personal. He ended up staying at my house for the entire weekend came spring fling. With me in retrospect, this is very weird. He was probably in his thirties. Nothing happens. Whatever he stayed on my couch, but we hit it off. And like he gave me all this product. He's I wanna know how my, you know, my customers you live and shop, and whatever and I was like, well, you can stay with me for like the weekend. So he liked became a college girl. I kid you not it was one of the girls. Birthdays. It was her twenty first birthday. We got a stripper. There's always the same male stripper named Curtis. Every one maelstrom coming out. Tony sat there I've pictures of him sitting with like. Twenty girls just watching politely as the male stripper doesn't think he was like it was like an anthropological experiment for him to watch, you know, young women in their element. Like these were his customers. So anyway, that's crazy. But I did love Tony Tina product. So hold on. I wrote down the one that was my shit. It was Tony Tina I shot a quad in source energy that was the name. Oh, my so it had a navy a lime green which I never used the navy never used and then a silver and a white the silver. I did a wash on my lids for like nights out. But the white shimmer ver- nights eleven, you know, college the white shimmer. This was the look you plug arch really high on your brow. And then we're that brow. Bone was exposed dotted the white shimmer. Remember that? Of course, it was a hot look. So I use the Tony Tina for everyone was like the high like just like just the surprise for the entire didn't look good. It was early early highlighting your Strobe ING only. Bam. Yeah. Kevin Quan would have liked he would have ran screaming. If he saw me what did you do in one product. Oh god. There's so many my God. A product that was just in love with cut you another fragrance or is this like choice, which it up. No to it. Did you know the fragrance would have whatever else, right? You know, what I'm gonna do let you have to. Okay. I got to get a bonus. Probably you're so good. Okay. They'll make these really fast the fragrance I loved it. I felt like super super in love with was why sell baby doll. They don't make it anymore. It was like a top. It looked like spinning top. Yeah. Like a pink crystalline crescents. You've got it. Do gloss muscle really flex by. That point. I think I'd graduated was working at Sephora dot com that that it was one of hit perfumes in two thousand shneltsa grapefruit. Yeah. Exactly. So smells like grapefruit. But like tart candy. It's very sweet. But sexy, it's very it's not lowly to them peak. That was sweet one like this the good one. That's a good one. I love it so much, and I feel like it's great for like that age, and it just reminds me of the time. But then I think another product, and it's funny because it's also why sell is the four seals. I just like. Over garra Rauma. I feel before no YSL. I got it from interning. Oh, isn't that? Got my free. Tony's. Yeah. Like oh. This is the good shit. And that was kind of my gateway product, it's funny because I think of long comb for mascara that era of more of a foe sealed girl. I was like, okay. Here we go. We're getting started. 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"This fall on the CW, a new hero will rise a football player. From Greg Berlanti producer of mega hits like Riverdale and black lightning. You're going to see the new CW show all American. This fall, Wednesday, October tenth, inspired by a true story. All American is about Spencer James, a talented high school football player who gets recruited to play in Beverly Hills in what's sure to be his breakout role up and comer. Daniel Ezra shows major chops playing l. a. born and raised, Spencer James, especially considering Daniel is a Brit. The Brits are coming. Betas can do whatever they the British or come. There's no such thing as watching a TV show anymore and not discovering that half the Castro British very strange tade digs crushes it as Beverly Hills, high coach, Billy Baker and the entire cast is hot. It's action packed on every level. This might be the teen drama. You're looking for care of a teen drunk, hot teens, doing hot teen stuff. This has sports drama, crime, drama, highschool, drama, love drama. Family drama, baby, mamas, rom album. No more drama. That's the series premiere of all American on Wednesday, October tenth on the CW we're, I'm sure there will be plenty of, hey, Theresa in the Ansari. Welcome to a spooky episode of heath. They're all spooky. It's October, it's Colleen. Almost Louis. How can I tell you? I walked in this morning and Louis complimented my outfit, and you know why? It's one of my fall look, oh my God, I being why. I am. I am. Which is why you liked it so much? Yes. Well, let's just say something. I mean, do you not think October's a tragic time when white people try to wear orange? I mean, it's just a sad. Picture me an orange already crying. I mean, if we didn't like things because white people ruin them. There'd be nothing truly task it. We'd be down to like plant life. Anyway, it's October. It is fall and other than care turning outlooks Cardi b. is, wow. I know first of all care complimented Cardi stylist on Instagram and president Carter Colin Carter is his name. He is serving. Hardy has been looking unbelievable lately, and I think maybe it's if it were me, I would think as she gets more and more wild, she's just going to look better and better, say refined and refined queens from Canada, and she sorta starts to act crazier, maybe balance at all out. Kurdi debuted her blonde platinum hair on Monday morning as you turned herself into the New York police department for reportedly ordering an attack a to bartenders at a New York strip club because she thinks one of them slept with offset. It's actually kind of impressive that no one really heard much about. This case until she showed up at court, which is just because she's making news and so many other ways. This only fell by the wayside. Also Kirby makes me miss behind the music. Like, do you remember like Lisa left eye Lopez being like much talked about burning that house down throughout the sneaker. Sneakers in the tub and lit them? Yes. Cardi b. would get an episode of behind the music and just kill it be like, well, I did have to, unfortunately slap that bartender that one time. Yes. Next, you know, she leads I, I wish we could have heard what she said in court. Oh, yeah. I I want to see like the broach she warned court. I just want like I want there to be a whole production assists in court, or was she just turning? I don't know. I don't know how that works. I don't know you going for a mugshot. I don't know. It's been years since I've worked in law enforce her mugshot. We should have seen her mugshot though. It would've looked incredible z. I know they do. They let conga talk on the fucking about Cardi. B.'s mugshot. That is what the people really want to see. Yeah, not this frost Nixon show with Harvey Levin and Kanye really wanna see the new Roxie sorry, Harvey Levin, Harvey love it. Oh my God. I'll save my slams for later in the. Yes, we all of the new Roxie Hart of New York City. Yes. Oh, I saw that that was a cute comment of yours. Thank you. What I was trying to say it on the show. Don't follow me. That's what. Oh God. Well, that's what this podcast will come just IRA, repeating his tweets, right? That's where she does. You and your little jokes occasionally about sweaters and Christy Turlington or whoever. Alright, I haven't made a joke. Christy Turlington efforts. Fine, whatever. Okay. Anyway, later in the show we will be joined by a very special guest varies. One Caras top white women and someone I've loved for years. And so in Lewis has never heard of Kristen bell from the good place and the upcoming Veronica Mars reboot and most popular animated film of all time, frozen. How crazy is that? Well, guys, it's why she's on the list. Yeah. Yeah, frozen. And we're slowly working our way through all of my favorite white women. I was just saying to care, wouldn't it be crazy if the one woman on her list we couldn't get would be her teacher who's just like I'm a private person. Tell me when you're to dub queens. We'll be right back. This weekend at bridge CARA, and I decided that we are not going to mention a certain rapper by name anymore short. So we're tired of him. I'm tired of having takes it sucks. What did we settle appalling? We were. We were trying to think of a code word. I used it as an example. As I was pitching this idea, I said, orange, we say orange, but if you have a, if we have a better. With Frank ocean. Unfortunately, I don't want to besmirch. We just need a different word that we're going to call him spoon. We can call him keyboard under the fuck, but we're not saying we're not saying the name. Mr. Curtis, you. We could say Mr. crashing who anything, as long as we remind people that he is associated with her. Kris Jenner tries to play these games anyway. Mr. Kardashian came back to torture as he had again, it all started when he subbed in for Arianna 'Grande are SNL this weekend, and he had some rapper named little. I'm old. What is a little pup? It's I know him because I know people that work with him. But yeah. Is he that person who wait? Is he the person that had that song with Chris Brown where he switched places? Yes, he nothing that's. That's right. Pumpad Gucci gang. Oh, saw. Yeah. And and he was forgiven. So he shot a gun in his house. Once those are the low pump highlights, I don't think so. I think it went off his mom was there because he's like seventeen or some shit like that. His second amendment. Right gara-. That sounds like a good Wicky. That one. Well, they perform their track. I love it in Fiji water and Perrier inspired out. Kindergarten graduation, like the kind of you know, silly. I love it. What does it have to do with water? They mentioned water or something in the lyrics for a split. Second, if I'm. Yeah, I just remember waking up to this Email. The CARA said about this performance and I saw a photo of Conde looking like he was a Perrier bottle. I closed my phone and I went back to. Do you think you were high? I did what the fuck is happening should have thrown your phone into the ocean. If your phone had peaked at that moment, it shouldn't have given you that image. I don't. I don't have a home in Malibu. I'll get on it shocked by phone into the. The ocean, West Hollywood. Well, I'm just saying by the way we're already being generous calling it a performance because what they did was Bob, I mean, like what was the corio that was actually occurring there corio that is a kind word as described. Derek Hough was not in charge of this. No victims of zoom could get. And then it somehow got worse. So after that, he closed out the show with one of his trademark political rant and hin- maga- hat in a maga- hat a mega hat that he redesigns guide. I know to look more fashionable, let's say a hat. Yeah, same this, like those people who wear the Sheikh confederate fly. Designed by Ralph Lauren. He said that he was still being about his twenty twenty presidential run. He talked about being bullied by SNL cast members for wanting to wear his maga- hat. He said that the profit really showed him showed him up taking fathers out of their homes to promote welfare. I know. I don't know. I don't know. I first of all reports came that like no one bullied him. Nobody had also, you could hear people booing guess people will hand and we know about this rant because Chris rock Instagram the entire thing. I love how bullying is probably just they noticed he was sucking. That's my favorite thing is. I mean, I'm not addressing you go back and actually listen to the rant because God help you. But the you watch the guys in the background who are like standing there, probably like don't fuck with the hat, but, okay, let's see. And you see them, they're sort in the beginning. They're nodding their nodding, and you just see them like stop moving and it flooding over them that they are. On television and like everyone sees them standing behind this man as you saying this and the dread in their faces. It's just over darting like Felix the cat people go God, who do I turn to? Yeah, and I think I also saw one of the cast members tweeted something like I was on stage for that shit like they were all like, wasn't me all the black people were like, I wasn't. There wasn't me. I want to talk about the fact that he was even on SNL I why? Because if you recall last week Lorne, Michaels, did some sort of interview where he talked about the fact that Arianna 'Grande was originally supposed to perform, but then he rude leaves and that she had to pull out for quote emotional reasons and that luckily Connie was there to pick up the flag. First of all, bending is always ready. Awesome steps hitting like no matter what. Like what we had no choice. We had to book Konya west rate that is. Yes. At any rate. It's like we had a cancellation going on it and it was going very well. I'll see you were airing out are integral news business. We all know that she's had a lot. She was in like a fucking terrorist attack. Like a year ago, her ex boyfriend just died. She was groped on national camera. Like let's give her a break. We know she's going through shit. You didn't need to be like she was feeling emotional. She couldn't. She couldn't come to work now is fucking stupid. And then, yeah, the idea that Connie as the only one buck all of us, we can't stop doing it. Free, I mean isn't literally if you told. Art. Sanders is alive though. Richard was right there short. I'm told any artist would you like to perform during the first episode of the new season of Saturday Night Live? Everyone would say us to that evidently. So yes to that. Everybody's fucking friends with Lorne Michaels to you're telling me Paul, Simon can't like, you know, get away from ADP hill for two seconds and gun on stage and play the box or whatever the fuck you does. I say that affectionately puzzle ring Cardi back again, whatever. Well, blunt Adams driver pay play those songs from inside and Davis. I don't care if she was busy beaten up stripping. Later Mr. Kardashian posted a photo of him in his maga- hat on Twitter and Instagram with the caption. This represents good and America becoming whole. Again, we will no longer outsource to other countries. We built factories here in America and create jobs. We will provide jaws for all who are free from prisons as we. Abolish the thirteenth made in China that had his made in China. His statement later say he didn't mean to say, abolish the thirteenth amendment, you know, the one which ended slavery. He said the thirteenth amendment not has now the thirteenth amendment is slavery in disguise meaning it never ended. We are the solution that he. Read that again. The thirteenth amendment is slavery in disguise dot dot dot meaning. It never ended. So the amendment that ended, slavery was actually a smokescreen to, yes. Intact. Oh, and only owe the maga- hat, right? Can free. He thinks the words of the thirteenth amendments, trying to trick him so it didn't. We we're still slaves. That's what he's trying to say. Move over page master. We're still we're still slaves. That's what he's saying. That's what he's trying to say. Let's because it would have been a lot easier to do say we're still slaves, wouldn't. It seems like a choice. We're also choosing these lead by the way. Also, again, very elementary point here, and it's gonna come up again when we talk about Lindsay, but just this is a mentally unwell person. It's just you don't think so. Here's the thing. This is what I do not like, and I really, really hate this. He probably does have mental health issues. We know that however, conflicting this bullshit. Oh, no. I think even bringing it up in that like it's and he himself has has been like, I'm not saying this because of that. I'm saying, I believe that we did say I'm fresh off on the unlike off, like I'm back in the gym working out. I think I think I think bringing it up is a way of and I'm not saying that's what you were doing. But I think people often bring it up as a way to sort of forgive it or just say, well, this is why he saying those things and it's like to me, they're completely separate because there are plenty of fucking people with all sorts of other legitimate mental health issues who don't say, stupid ignorant. Bullshit like this plenty of and also most of them almost all of them to be fair and people get behind what he says, the Candice Owens or whatever. Like into it to me, I, I know, isn't it shocking that I said, let's talk about Bergen. Let's talk about other candice's. I'll take Indus Cameron. I don't care. He just he he, this is his dumb ass talking, especially when he's talking about like, Saint thirteenth AMAN. He doesn't. He doesn't know anything. You literally doesn't know what he's talking about and he's choosing. To put himself in these positions where he can go on camera and say, stupid shit like this all the time, his in his family, his team, there's a whole bunch of people who letting him do this all the time where the focus Kris, Jenner share her fucking spend. Golly Yass is putting her hands in everyone else's life and her family, and she doesn't have any time to fucking control him. Network, do you think she's like writing the news ticker, like typing it all out. It's like a source close to the videos, right? Chris, the fact that no one has stopped him in particular, none of the Kardashians or Kris Jenner. It makes me think that they're sort of okay with what he's saying. Like the idea that they can't like horse game that she was unfazed sitting watching it. She Instagram'd the other day, a photo of her and gay about like, you know, we're still in love whatever. She will always ryver man. So it's like you, they are. They are by not doing anything and not say anything. Like I think Kim once was like, I out on her, Hillary. That's the extent to what she said anything against what has really been doing. And so to me and like George of Americans did it didn't work. Also, how do you feel about Lana del Rey? Stepping in with that Instagram comment basically read him to fill being like you relate to Trump's megalomania probably and it sucks for the culture that you're into him basically. And it was like, I don't know her to be somebody who is a clap back type figure. So it was refreshing in a way it was weird seeing though it's like it's not like Lana del Rey was Emo cash shooting gem. Why? Why that? Why comment? Now this, this also this weird thing where like it's sort of the Chris brownie thing where white celebrities loved to hop in with like a black celebrity is doing something crazy, and I'm not saying we shouldn't critique Mr. Kardashian and his Magar hat. But it's like a lot of other celebrities and musicians are out here, join crazy shifts, but they only seem to want to combat on cotton. It's like Jaap talent. Bill. Cosby is anything where he was always going down Bill Cosby, who is a. Fucking monster, and I'm glad he's going to prison, but I was like, you haven't mentioned anything else about any other, the many men who have committed sexual assault and Hollywood. You haven't really seen to express a great deal concern for the victims of sexual assault in. You're really, really going in on him and it just is weird and like it is you see certain people jumping in where I'm like was, was you're talking to Rosanne, how did you? Where was your? Where was your engineering comment for the comment that I actually liked on Instagram. Me. Doc? Fucking eight. Oh, no, I did. I did. Uncle Tom mega and he said, make your music. Great. Again. If you had told me ten years ago, five years ago between snoop and Kanye, who would have the correct political outlook right now, I'm, I'm not sure that it would have been. I think I would have been wrong thing would have been wrong on that one snoot in California and smoking weed heating bother. Nobody is he's hosting the jokers wild or whatever. He's having a good time. We could talk about many of the other things Mr. Kardashian said, but out even think we have the time. He said he was calling Colin cavern. Right to the White House. Talk about throwing phones into the ocean Collins like you cannot reach me right now. I mean, I, I don't need Colin hanging out with Conde. I need Colin voting in the midterms, but that's a, that's a whole other story. He's also talking about his new album called Yanti and how we out of puns without yet record in Africa. You know what he said. He said the place known is Africa, yes. Again, words are conspiring against. They told me it was Africa in this episode of San Diego, but I can't prove it. And so I checked the soil myself. I'm gonna go and bring my kids and we're going to cook. I don't know what that has to do with anything, and we're going to set the microphones up and record nature. Look, what the fuck are you talking about? You can get nature. Sounds just on tunes right now. You don't need to collect the continent. She Africa. Are you going continent? Man, if a huge, an enormous guy damn. Tenant, where are you going? Saint Africa, generally people as a note. So I'm saying Africa when you're going to the entire fucking continent. Does it specify? You know, he is from every continent Africa for one like raven, God. Oh, oh, wow. I forgot all about it was his slave name and he was going to start going by gay, Connie, Julian name. That's an important fact. I don't even know also, this was apparently gonna be headlining Coachella Jesse. Justin Timberlake. I have never been so excited to not spend money. I think we're done talking about this. I also ever. Yes forever. I would like to seal in tone and never discuss have also I didn't mean a slender. You YouTube? It was just a joke. Oh, I love you to love you too. I love you too one time about you too mysterious ways. We're back Lindsey, low Han kidnapping children. Spotify heard of it. When an ad man, you are. Barking your some things were meant for each other fries and milkshakes sell fees and duck face and now keep it in Spotify. Yes. The same at that has millions of songs now also has thousands of podcasts on Spotify. You can listen to all of your favorite shows and discover new ones. You can listen to keep it. You can discover keep it and only keep keep anything else on Spotify to discreet subscribe to ours search for keep it tap, follow and get every new episode delivered to you. I don't know how you're not already listening to keep it on Spotify, but if you are not wasn't what care said podcasts on Spotify the streaming right now, but you should always listen to keep it right. We want to encourage you to do what you want, but do the finger already doing which is listening to this her off that Meghan Trainor song in place kief it ratified. But also if you're listening right now, you're listening to keep it. I think you're doing a good job. What we told you are hope it's on Spotify. So once he lo Han who was in Moscow of all places where she needs to be, if I had to pick one place, found herself back in the headlines this weekend. This was another thing that I woke up care sending me. I saw it at a mmediately wetback Lindsey posted in a sense, deleted video, Instagram on Friday night herself. Getting out of a car and approaching a family that she identifies as Syrian refugees in need of help. She tried to offer. One of the children are a stay at a hotel where he could watch a movie and then she criticized the mother for not letting the children come with her at all. So to say, you should not have them on the floor. You should be a hard working woman and you should be doing what you can for your children. So they have a better life. Basically, they tried to get away from this bench and only accused them a trafficking, the children in what like era. But she the family was ruining Arabic culture at don't fuck with Pakistan. And then she tried to kidnap one of the kids, and then that lady puncture out savage. To perfect human interaction. What the fuck. I mean, there's no answers. I mean, I mean, we've been down such a crazy with Lindsay and let the last seven rungs on her journey have made made less sense than the la-. I didn't think she'd do anything crazier than Georgia rule. But here we. I don't it. She's in Moscow. She literally villain for kidnapping attempts. This is how you throw a party in Moscow bit like her life never makes sense. It never. I never understood why she is where she is. I thought she was still in making those filming her reality TV show. She has a reality show. She has a show called like where she's at least Vander pump. She has a club in Mykonos right there, filming it for MTV. No. And there was a name of her recently dancing where she kept like for heavy around the DJ's like this is how you throw a party in Mykonos bitch. Do you remember when she became a spokesperson for lawyer dot com? Do I have since learned provides no legal services like the name might suggest, but rather it pairs people with lawyers. So you'd be like, I'm Cardi b. I threw a shoe at Nicki Menaj and they'd say, like, here's a lawyer who can help you? And Lindsey Lohan was the spokesperson for that organization. By the way, I can also just picture Cardi b. saying exactly that. Exactly that. Yeah, through issue. Here, here's the thing. Do you know what I kind of miss the before? Twitter and social media where you could have reasonable doubts about how Zanier celebrity was like I miss when you would just hear kind of reports that Sean young had done something bizarre that you know, I don't Margot. Kidder had crawled through a Bush or something, but not confirmed. Hit or murdered someone and remember that. I don't know what you're just saying. There was a time when you could be like, who knows if they're actually doing a, you know, zany now it's like this woman provided her own video evidence in real time on her Facebook page or something. So now it's just now I'm thinking about how zany she is also, why is she alone? Someone who should never be alone ever. Someone should always at all times be with Lindsay Lohan. If Oprah can't help you. I forgot about that. It our own producer, Karen worked on that. Oprah, you need to cut the bullshit if I'm not mistaken. That was the line. So what does the truth. God that was so rough. Not want to be rhetoric literally having PTSD right now. From here. She also she were orange in that big interview with Oprah on that show right. Wow. Awesome to saying Lindsay. Lohan has like Michael, my complexion. I would not wear orange. The thing with her too, and I know this is she sort of developed the weird British accent a few years ago. British is kind. Yeah, whatever. It's the IRA. I will not be expanded over here. Mugging me off. I mean, I don't know which is where it should be honest, but and then now she has some sort of. I didn't understand what she was saying the way she was speaking. Why does she speak Arabic or what she's speaking Arabic. I don't know who are not doing this. Lisa Shebir the rest of the mean girls cast. Let's keep up with them doing. It would actually love a Tina Fey sit down off the record. Hey girl. Yeah. What the hell? Tuna KOMO keeper, Tina the I mean, and I don't. I don't expect you to explain what happened to Lindsey, but I just would like to hear your thoughts, give us a look. I mean blinked. Yeah. If you think once he's not. Okay. That she was like, all good here does Lindsay still tax, Tina Fey. Do you think. She does tweet well, you know, she's like the Nikky blond ski in that way. She waited anybody, but I just wonder if Tina Fey sometimes wakes up in the morning to fifteen texts from Lindsey. She's like. Help me back to Kimmy Schmidt. Unanswerable questions. I Lindsay Lohan is now there's been so much that I forget everything. I forgot that she defended Harvey Weinstein, toll Georgina Chapman. She shouldn't left her husband like she just opens her me too movement briefly. Yeah, I just I, it's, it's especially in a world where there is frankly more interesting, crazy shit happening on our Leib Lindsay. I'm like, you would really, you're not really bringing it enough for me like this was crazy. Yes. The the kidney attempted kidnapping on camera was one thing, but like her other antics, I'm just like, oh, we already have Zulia banks. I don't know. Like there's only so much we can process. You're not really bringing me enough to care outside of this. I'm a little sick of her is like a camp object of affection to just feel like she. She gets brought up all the time by like the kind of quote, unquote, pop culture fans who say the words hot mess million times a day and are just so like. Christian Syrian alone? No, no. He brought us the words mass. I'm not. I'm not criticizing the originator, but I'm just like I'm just sick of like, I don't get that much like happiness out of watching someone be. I mean, we just talked about Mr. Kardashian being what's watching someone be like, indecipherable I can't deal with it. Yeah, it's like watching Mariah Carey. Deliver ice cream on TRL on a loop. Yes, it's unsettled. We really thought that would be the most craziest celebrity would ever be at one point and now it's like, what universe are we in kidnapping children? What's next? What's next where your people helpfully? Nothing is nets. Yeah, clear the schedule go back to two two more your dot com. Go back from lawyer dot com to get administrative assistant, Oprah, insulin, Email, maybe. Maybe her garden. Maybe I on at this point. On the fixed my just everything beyond my life. Right. On her own Keefer. Lindsey. Now she's going to call you. Tweedy you call right now. Anyway, when we're back Kristen Val. Keira, more than ever. Lewis makes us anxious and we struggled a sleep and we're really feeling the impact of stress in the studio. I don't know what you're going to do. That's why I'm starting to wake up to the idea of taking care of my mind of, please don't using calm the number one out for sleep, meditation and relaxation. It was even named apples 2017 app of the year. 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Listeners can get twenty five percent off a comb premium subscription at Combe dot com. Slash keep it did include unlimited access to all of comes amazing content get started today at com dot com. Slash keep it. That's c. a. l. dot COM slash keep it. And we're back. I'm like, crying. I can't really this happening. Kristie bells, air cry because we're going to talk about political comedy. Oh, that too. Yes. No, I mean, I'll start actually weeping in. Yes, Kristen bell is here. She is sitting right next to us. Hello. Thanks for having me view. I, I love you right back at you. Lovely feeling. Did you know we did? We did something a few weeks ago where I made a list of my favorite white women. And you were on it. You are you're. Yeah, of course. I saw it. You're in good company. I think I I, it was so flattered, I don't know why or how I made it or was even on your radar. But it was, I'm not gonna lie felt great. No, not modesty. I was like, yes, what did I do so I can do it more. Yeah. You were alongside people like Christine, Barinski and Elizabeth Warren, like people who should be installed on mountain, Mount Olympus like, so just congrats among the guy. I'm again, I'm not gonna lie. It feels great and I don't understand it, but I. All right. So I guess we'll just get into the south and you can join us. I love to political comedy as an ounce bat. Let's true. And Matt, Damon guest starred as Brett Cavanaugh. Usually optimist. I'm a keg is half full kind of guy. What. From the munsters on this committee makes me one of puke and nut from beer. We enjoy the call delta. Well, I'll say this. I mean, it was the first sketch of the season, so I expect it to be one way longer than the average sketch. So I was being, yes, it was the movie, Ben Hur. Plus I would say it was sort of run of the mill for SNL like, oh, they had a stunt casting. They brought back some old cast members. Did they give Rachel enough to do not for me, I thought the best part of it was actually eighty Bryant as Rachel Mitchell because they they had to take on that character that was unexpected. Like I flew here on south west. I don't know what I'm doing. That was like a cute move for her, but otherwise I thought it was just kind of like a little longest. Okay. Have you been following the Brad Kavanagh? Yes. And in fact, I caught up mostly last night by watching John Oliver, and that sketch, which I'm very glad I did because then today. But I was I was in New York last week 'cause I spoke at the UN general assembly. So I actually had that day of like just being concerned with something else. And I was very grateful for it in like a self care way of like, I don't know if I can watch this whole debacle because I know that it's not going to go the way I wanted to go since then I've seen a bunch of clips and I actually thought it was pretty funny. I mean, first of all, let's start with the fact that Matt Damon's hair was on point. That was a great look of breath, Kavanagh's hair and like just to think about all the people like look at your whole room, like how many people go into this. I was like, try to acknowledge that whoever did his hair. It was like, 'cause brek having a has like a weird shaped whatever topiary artist like was in charge of that. It's it's, it's a specific shape and they did it. You know, it was excellent. And then I also like really I really laughed when they may held up the huge heads shot of alyssum Melissa. That was so funny that were you also invited by Dianne Feinstein? No, no, no, no, no, no, fewer. She wanted a packed house of, I guess. I mean, I guess I, I don't know what good I I would have done there. 'cause like I can just watch it on TV and then I can still tuck my kids in. So I've I didn't. I didn't feel the need to be there, but I'm glad people are, you know, taking a fierce interest in it. I actually found it pretty funny. But I think the thing for me is I have such dread constantly, and I feel like. That's the thing with SNL on the political comedy where like when it was Sarah Palin, it was like, this is goofy and funny what a nut because I think we were like, oh, she's not actually going to be the vice president. And now I'm like, oh, this may actually be on the supreme court, and I find it a little hard to like laugh at that, and but that's just me like I know that like others and it's good to it's good to find some sort of like laughter, Android, but I'm like, ha ha accept. This won't be funny when he's bring court Justice, right, right. I agree. But I also like I, I'm sort of an an optimist to a fault and naively so, but I do. I still believe in a hero. I think that there will be someone or some people that that fix it. I think it's gonna get dark as it has gotten for a while because yeah, it's hard to watch a a funny comedy sketch and go like that man thinks he owns my vagina. Really uncomfortable to think that he can make rules about my body, which is what he wants to do, but then I just somebody's going to swoop in they do. I like I believe that that goodness guides people. And I said, we're going to find someone, yeah, someone's gonna fix it whole thing, the whole everything. Everything? Yeah. Were you speaking at the UN assembly about? I am the global advocate for the women's peace and humanitarian fund, which is like very interesting to me because it's the first of its kind. It's the first time that the that it's not like aboard in another country making rules about a country in crisis. It's a fund that was set up based on this like measure called thirteen twenty five. That was passed twelve or thirteen years ago to give more opportunities to women because the UN looked at numbers and one percent of funding trickles down global funding trickles down to women's organizations, which I mean, I always say like, clearly women are not the only solution, but they're like death. Definitely more than one percent of the solution. Semaine one though. No, I'm fine. So what they do is the structure of, you know, you get all I was basically like just begging all these embassador in like the, you know, prime minister of Ireland for more money, but the fund it takes local women's organisations in the on the ground in countries in crisis. So like in Iraq in Burundi in in Bangladesh and they take local women's organisations, say, what's your idea to fix your community? Then they fund it. Then they give you tech training managerial training capacity training to run your organization, your local nonprofit, and then if successful and you start to feed everybody or you start to get everyone healthcare jobs, they franchise that idea. So it's not a global board making decisions about a country in crisis. It's taking ideas and I'm such a believer in grassroots. I don't. I don't think it's the most appropriate thing to make decisions about someone else's problem. You gotta talk to them and see what they need? Yes. So their goal is to raise forty million dollars by twenty twenty and. Their current. We're currently five different countries, but there's crisis countries. There's a need in twenty four. So we're just trying to up it and see how many local women we can help help themselves in their communities. So you're doing things. I am that's Radyr than anything I will ever to. So congrats. Do you think because you're on a show called the good place? Do you think it's trickled into? I better do good things. So people don't think this is like false advertising? No, because I have been always been good half a lot of preoccupied about how to be a better person since I've been five years old, like I was born with it. And then to a degree that it's like sometimes not healthy, it's like. And it's definitely like I have to remind myself not to let it get into ego because I've been in the philanthropy space for twenty years, and there's I've never seen bigger egos than in the philanthropy space. I'm the first to admit that, but I do think it's now as an adult feels more like a responsibility. Like the reason I wanted to do the good places because I am actually like obsessed with like, how do we share earth like earth is a really hard place to be alone. Let alone with like billions of people. However, however, many people are here now. So I think I learned all that stuff about the women's peace and humanitarian front fund from the UN people who created it and just gave me phone call after phone call of lesson after lesson about what they do. But my responsibility comes in the fact that if I can get the attention of an eighteen year old by doing something goofy, which is like what I've made my career out of doing, then I have a responsibility to grab that person's ear and say, do you know there are a really cool thing. You can be concerned about and it can be enlightening, and it can be fun and it doesn't have to be negative, like the current political climate like, or you can fight for other people, and that's really cool. So bringing bigger ideas that aren't necessarily like sexy ideas to people who wouldn't normally care. I feel is like when I put my head on the pillow is definitely my responsibility. It's goes in the face of a lot of what we talk about on the show. You know the fact that some people are like celebrities shouldn't. Yeah, should stay in their lane and not talk about politics. I'm not a citizen because I have a job that makes you laugh like I'm no, I'm no longer. I'm stripped of my citizenship. That's ridiculous. If you loved Trump, they would have you on Fox News every night. Yeah, exactly. And you know, everyone's allowed to have opinions and I'm raising two girls right now that I'm teaching to have opinions or rather dare I say, I'm not teaching them to have opinions. I'm not cutting down their opinions at an early age. I'm not breaking them and Gaskin them to stand in line and being sort of a, you know, a more stricter parent. I'm allowing them to just like sit with all their opinions so that when they grow up, they know that that's okay to have their born with a ton of opinions. I'm just trying not to break them. There is a man recently who said to me, you have too many opinions like I was saying something he was like, where you have a lot of opinions that conversation did not go well for him. I think as we as. But also. Yeah. I know, but really all that to say more women with opinions is really yet. Will you know what like I always look to Glennon Doyle? Do you know the writer? Glenn, Doyle? I mean, she's like, I appreciate her wisdom so much and she went. This applies to this because when asked why she cries. So often she says, it's the same reason. I laughed so often because I'm paying attention and I think you have a lot of opinions if you're paying attention. Right. One of my favorite things about you this actually dovetails with what you said. But like specifically on both Ronca Mars and the good place you play somebody who like grounds very heightened set of circumstances and it like it's a credit to you as an actress that people like relate to you in these weird fucking shows that have like, you know, a terrible murders or they have arts, and you know the good place which is in like a crazy pseudo paradise. Is it ever daunting as a celebrity to be so relatable. Is it daunting know if feels correct. I don't want to get to a place where I feel like I'm not a a human being like every single person I pass on the street because like I sometimes when I'm in my head and I'm like, walking down the street or driving, and I'll see a group of people, and it will just occur to me and kind of like make my brain short-circuit. I'm like every single one of those people has fights with their parents. Every single one of them has a favorite color a favorite ice cream foods. They hate. Some of them can handle salon through. Some of them can like. And I'm like, oh my God. I'm not the only one who feels like I have all this stuff. You know, that makes me me like everybody feels that way. And I think it's recognizing the inherent value in everybody that makes me want like I want to be one of us. I like being human very much and I don't think that me liking being human should like, you know, negate someone else's ability to be just as important. I didn't answer your question. Remember what it was something about Veronica Martin, but I heard a piece of information about Veronica Mars. The Lewis now we're talking about before that is very thrilling. We'll, you know, one of the new writers for the reboot, of course. I know all the news. There's a very tall, man. Yeah, we're talking about. We're talking about crazy bar. I'm going to be a writer on the reboot. Doesn't that sound like an SNL sketches where like who's? But apparently and I said, rob Thomas, our creator told me about it, and I didn't know if he was joking because he's already funny, but he was like Kristen, he's an amazing writer. He apparently he's been writing for all books. Yeah, an an for like op EDS and stuff. He's written all sorts of things. And in the writing community, he's very well respected because he has like a crazy creative voice and rob was like, I really wanted to see his specs. Sent his material over any hired him, and I think it's amazing. I'm actually worried like he could step on you. I mean, he's just like nine hundred dollars purse. Yeah, Provence fast fast. I think of all the fun photos you get to take because your knees. Yeah. And then he's standing there. Yes days also. He really got me through my first pregnancy, my first labor because he was on a show called anybody splash. Maybe it was diving show Kareem, Abdul, Jabbar. It was amazing. It was like Drake, bell Kareem, Abdul-Jabbar Anderson. We Anderson who like that was a little for me because like every like Louis got tens all around every time he dived, which was a whole nother thing, but everybody had to like learn how to be a professional diver, and it was nuts because that's so hard and you decide to watch him and like the first one, someone like broke their ankle, which I'm not even sure how that's possible. And when I went into labor, I was we were sitting at right after I got my epidurals ABS. I was sitting in the bed in the next thirty, three hours of my life for labor, and we were like only splashes on tonight. All my perfect, and we just turned it and watch like a marathon of like three episodes of cream, Abdul, Jabbar vein. Yeah, he works really hard on that show a fan of Ronca Mars for. So I've heard, which is so I'm glad it's coming back. It's right. Yeah, me too story. You did sweetheart. When the movie was coming out that I mean, this show will be very different from the movie, but the movies like we wanted to win obliga- Shen to fulfill all the fans fantasies, you know. And it was very much like literally rob says, he's like, I had to start with how do I get Veronica to punch the most popular girl in school in the face and then write backwards because that's what because the fans funded it, you have an obligation to give they want. But in this one, it's going to basically be a much more adult world and it'll be Veronica and the other characters living as adult. So it'll be different but aren't donate however much money too. I don't respect paid to his degree more not going to charge you. This title. I couldn't agree more more favor. Yeah. And Chris, Lowell, what a sweetheart? What's it like to just you're playing a character Dan, you? I played Veronica Mars about fifteen years ago now. Yeah. I mean like to live with that character in your head for that long as it like intimidating to have to add new dimensions to her a little bit. But no, I'll just I'll truly. Like my research, I'll just re watch the series and remember how she feels about everything specifically because I think I know like she, I definitely feel like I know who she is and in, but I'll rewatch it. And then I just the thing I'm most excited about is like we always say she's a hero without a Cape and I just, I think the world needs that right now. I think that there was a time. My husband always says there was a time. You know, couple years ago whenever we love to root for the anti hero. 'cause everything felt a little safer and like Walter white was awesome and breaking bad was awesome. And now I think that's scary. I think it's scary. I think you wanna see someone who's fighting for goodness, who's fighting for the underdog because that's what we need right now. Like for our hearts in entertainment dirt, that and I really enjoy the good places. Well, it just makes you feel good about being a human being. Yeah, so hard to be human being and it makes you laugh at it to, you know, speaking of good place, we have a game for you. Oh, God. It's called good place, bad class, cheese. We're gonna listen, nice. I send everything to the good place for her. No way you're sending all these things. Okay. So we'll decide whether these things along in the good place or the bad place, and we're going to start the clock now. Okay. Drinking red wine on the beach. Oh, Doug good place. If you like red wine and the beach, brilliant people who come to a full stop to make a right turn. Ooh, then you're like, I can't send grandparents to the bad. By the way, no good place for safety. Oat, milk. Oh, good place. I guess because if people like it, everything is subjective friends who make the switch to androids I'm on an Android or Mark. Nice, but I've always been on an Android Cardi b.'s missing shoe. I don't know what that is. Nikki Moniz here you. No, you can't throw shoes at people. Get a timeout. Chokers. Oh, if you love it, it's in your good place. If you hate it like you hate when people are on their bluetooth and it's in your bad place. Sorry himself had no, you're doing well, this season fall, oh, best place. Oh my gosh, this is an ongoing fight. We're having on the show. Paul. In orange. There's also just like just walk. Wet leaves her to wet. We live in LA there. No wet leaves. Here's the idea of them. Where'd you grow up suburbs. Chicago, probably a beautiful fall foliage not. I don't. I don't know about this because I grew up in Detroit and I walk. I love the fall is great because it's like it's, I mean, you don't. Do you not like Halloween? No, not really. I don't. You know what? I really don't want you to school. For me, we take your, it's how Weiner so fun. I just feel like if I want to dress slutty, that's what the slump summer is for. Okay. Point taken. You don't like going back to school. That's a good. That's a good point. Right? It's also just the worst part of school. Like I'm not a big homecoming dance. Thank you. Look, I think I look best in the fall like I'm not sweaty. My hair is doing what I told the outfits. You're not under a bunch of layer, your fresh. You're just put this wardrobe together. Can put jackets on in a way. It's perfect. Yeah, that's a look, a little nicer over cone spot. I just bought a trenchcoat because I'm in the trench wearing community and they look so stupid in LA like I'm never going to get to wear it. No, not. Now trenches are very in now think so. They'll even those trenches that are made like all out of like just silky material really digging. That's what it is. It's very, like silky military to walk around with your come in the matrix. He has interesting. You don't like fall and you don't like that smell even being from Chicago, like like, I go back to Detroit and I like smell the smells like going to the cider mill and stuff. I'm John Irving book or something. I, I like colors. I'm just I just I. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I get that, but isn't that why I mean, isn't that really why earth is so fun because there's all these like different diverse opinions and people can like different seasons and we can all resp- look at us having a beautiful Raisman. I'm on the fence about her personally. Thank you so much for being here. Kristan. Oh, keep ruling. People should watch the good place on NBC Thursday nights, and when we're back, keep it. And we're back. With once again, like two weeks in a row. This is the second favourite part of the. Now we have Natasha last week who kill that. We had Kristen Leslie Cuco bit. Our other guests start breaking right. How can we go back to John laws? It I know after this. Anyway, it's keep it and Keira with your, keep it Mike, keep it is to the upcoming interactive episode of black, mirror black marriages show on net flicks about scary dystopia in technology things and also lesbian romance that Tim and I really enjoyed black mirror. Although I did have to stop because I was getting scared because it felt too much like the world I'm currently living in, but they announced that in the new season of black mirror. There will be a choose your own adventure episode. Viewers will choose the story line and make the decisions. They'll determine the next course of events for the characters. I feel like I'm already living in a distortion nightmare. I don't need to watch an episode of black mirror and get even more into it in more immersed and whatever terrifying shit inevitably that episode is going to be about. I'm scared enough as is I live in a dystopia and choose your own adventure that's everyday everyday day. My life now is exactly that I don't need to watch it on my couch with my net flicks. I am fine. We're good. We're good. Just just make the TV just make the TV. I don't wanna be pulled into it anymore. This is my escape and I just, I just don't need it. I'm stressed out already. This feels stressful. I don't like having to do work when I'm watching television. You know, I'm like, you guys do it. That's what you paid for. Make it already make the decisions. But mostly I just I'm already terrified and I don't. I don't need to feel more so also when it comes to watching TV, I'm already stressed up by having to make one choice of a TV show. There's so much TV out there. Don't make me make choices with the. The only interactive TV show I want to see is love island. And you have one speed now and it's that fucking I'm sorry. I am forty episodes and I come out stop. What is this. Out isn't a forty episode aired nightly during the summer in the UK, and then they would have a recap episode each week. So at aired for it sixty episodes, maybe that's television. I need because I, I really loved the first couple of seasons of black mirror. And then I one point I was like, oh, no, this this might happen. Oh God, this is happening. This literally feels like this is happening right now. That's why I prefer like the sand Judah payroll ones. Like I like the romance episodes. I love to nose dive. Oh, that's a good. That's my favorite one. But yeah, it's just I mean, legitimately block Mary started scary. Like I had been watching it in two thousand sixteen and then Donald Trump was elected, and I was like, oh, God, no, I got. I gotta just watch the office for the forty fifth time. Also, I still have not seen the San juniper episode and I have lied to so many gay people. And then I hide behind my vodka soda until they go away because you hate the l l g BT q.. Oh, you figured it out. I'm not. I'm not the one who like exclusively listens to lesbian music. She's. Good attended a read maybe next time, sweetie. What's your fucking keeping? I don't mean to be a continuous down about fall, but mighty not Well, I, I think it is fun for me. Keep it is to fans of the movie hocus. Pocus guys. It's shitty. Oh, I'm sorry. Here's the problem with this movie. Here's problem with this movie if it were head shaking right now by the way they're quaking, isn't it? If the movie were actually about the three witches, it would be a great movie, but it's really about these damn kids in there like trick or treating adventure. So that's nothing. No. What Lewis. You a, you're gonna call me anti rubber John it today, because I fucking agree. I hate. Moving, it's trash. Is a bad fucking movie. I'm trying to people talking about it every fucking Halloween. It's not good. It's not don't wanna hocus pocus to. And by the way, those kids, it's by the way. It's not even quotable. There are like two quotes from Bette midler that are fine. You want to see a Bette midler movie. You go see me. I love you. Go see for the boys, whatever. Sarah, Jessica Parker go watch LA story. There's a show she was on sex in the city. Kathy Jimmy, we have sister act and she is wonderful on the children's show for children. If everybody who was into hocus pocus would just be twice as into Addams family values. The world would be a better place. And by the way NFL in Villiers you got your delicate Houston, Joan, Cusack, and Christine Baranowski who was on the white lady list. I think you all are confused because you're grown men that show is for children. Charles yield you're in eight isn't appropriate. Delightful movie. I'm not surprised. Adult men are not enjoying hocus pocus. Well, it was not made for them. Well, you better go to BuzzFeed dot com. Right now we're adult men are sitting around talking about it right now in forever. First of all, hocus poses came out when we were children did not like it. Then also, I think that movie is kind of inappropriate for kids. They make a lot of sex jokes, totally. These and Gary Marshall. It being creeping Chiltern on watching it. Oh, God. Bad movie. Plenty of other great Halloween, movies. I remember some, the fourth will not be watching. You just said they were great Halloween movies, which makes you sound like you think Halloween is. Okay. If you think they're great, Halloween, movies. I don't mean to tolerate. I don't mean to give any credibility to the horror community. I don't like you guys either including you IRA what's horror fans need to beat quiet, that's for next week IRA. What's your keep at this week? My keep it is for this messy, rich, white people feud going on between the trumps and Gavin Newsom. I live in now at this is goven Newsom are California gubernatorial candidate favorite hair gel purchaser, you know his ex wife, Kimberly. I don't know how to pronounce Guilfoil, right, Kimberly, Jabber, jaw is now dating. Donald Trump junior l. that's, that's his ex wife us really a now. Trump gets constantly talking about Gavin Newsom that rallies attacking him and I can't help, but think it's him trying to be helpful to done junior because Gavin is his sons, new girlfriend's ex husband that Fox News dead. I lady, yes, her. She's giving interviews now to about how she broke up with Kevin Newsome because he like was getting too far left for her. And you know, it's also because of a reported affair, but we have to get into that. I do have to say both Gavin Newsom end Donald Trump junior style, their hair at the exact same way. It's kind of like when Nicole Kidman moved on from Tom Cruise to Keith urban, it's like, well, you just pick the same silhouette in bay but taller? Yes. What he's like? Five, four and a half. And Tom Cruise is five. Four is is Keith Olbermann short to a t. doesn't seem tall, maybe it's the cowboy boots. Yeah, right. Anyway, this is I don't even to like denigrate like dynasty or Dallas. This is this is some Wendy dang shifts. Yes, this is a Wendy. Dang is incredible. Let's be clear. She's terrible, but purely in credit peerless and unbelievable. And I'm so afraid of her. But I, I really like, no, she's got. She's got some experts. Some General Hospital shit. Trump is. Trump is tweeting about Trump is at his rallies, calling out Gavin new. So he's like, heard about this guy running for governor in California and gather Newsom keeps tweeting at Trump to responding. I need everyone shut the fuck up and is so gross as Gavin. This is beneath you. The others, entire family. Everyone is above Donald what your x wife grow or just like this. All of this. If you you wanna be your politician. You want to be the governor of California, like tweeting at Donald Trump is so far beneath you over this petty bullshit. Like what are you doing? And it's always that thing was like, hey, at real Donald Trump won a clear, but it's like he's going to sensibly respond the ill, right? Yeah, he doesn't. Even at people back ever. Right guys don't be stupid. Never at. We only people from American history x. Anyway, that's my keep. I didn't know about this and I'm not. I'm not thrilled. I saw. I saw Gavin, Newsom 's name again. There are so many things happening at all time. I saw like I saw FCC on Moscow's like what's happening. There is the Pavin Aw stuff. I saw Gavin Newsom and I was like, this is not a can't. It can't click are are just mostly ignored because I can never remember how to pronounce his ex wife vase night when Kimberly master of disguise. Like, what is it. There's like a y foil. I interviewed Gavin Newsom in college. That is a swamp man. I'll say. 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246: A Look Into Our Marriages | Ear Biscuits Ep.246

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246: A Look Into Our Marriages | Ear Biscuits Ep.246

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Marriage. We'll get into marriage. A Lot. I just want to get into the first one. I mean that's not even just feel so abrupt fee like that. May Me feel anxious and uncomfortable? Oh my goodness, there it. They're answering the question. You gotTA disease in like. How are you how you doing I? Mean like you don't WanNa know how I'm doing. I mean like we're here. Where at the studio you know, it feels good to be able to get out of the house and just come to a place where there's. No one I'm related to directly. You know what I'm saying. You know no one who's in my immediate family. They're all another place there at the house. That I was just at. That I, that I shall return to happily. Listen and I listen I hope to be beat and I'm not I'm not going into negative or complaining mode, but certainly seemed like the world. Less. I don't know what to say. I really don't I mean I can tell. Him Not to say that's why you were like. Literally looked thirty seconds. Let's get to the first question. Because like that's any indication of just how you feel right now. I'm overwhelmed. Man I mean it. Do you WanNa talk about how we feel I. mean the last thing I want is to start complaining about something associated with my life at this point. I'm not going to do that. I'm not asking for longer than a few seconds. I'm just you know everything that's happening in the world and everything between what my personal life and what's happening publicly I mean there's just a lot going on all you have to do. Here's all you have to overwhelming. All you have to do, and somebody looks at you and says what's wrong you to say twenty twenty. That's it. Everybody gets it. Man. Just say twenty twenty, but I don't even WANNA say. It's not that everything's wrong. There's a lot this right this happening. It's Jessica. It's positive overwhelming. And it's constant and it should be you know I'm again I'm not complaining that. That, every morning, there's something there's a new detailed to grapple with in the news and figure out how? I personally am going to respond to that. And then if we started talking about how we. HOW WE AS A. As companies or as leaders of a company are GONNA respond. Again. I am not complaining I am just acknowledging the fact that it is a it is so complicated and overwhelming and necessary and. It. I'm not I'm not wishing for these issues to go away. I'm wishing for coronavirus to go away well. Yeah, you know that's kind of what I was getting at. I was talking about getting out of the House I was like. I think that there's this thing that we've been talking about is. Boy It, you know it would be one thing. For humanity to be a to like humanity, addressing one major issue is difficult enough for humanity to do that where when you throw multiple issues that humanity which is what twenty twenty has decided to do. Less really dig on systemic racism in America and you know. Yes, that's the right thing to do and it's. And I'm not trying. I'm not trying to escape from that. Constantly I you know I'm trying to find ways, and we are constantly talking about ways that we can. That we can properly. BE, engaged. You just made it sound like that's what we're about to dig into just to clarify word. That's not what we're going to. We're now. It wasn't going to be answering your questions, but it's. But no matter what you put out. There's an elephant in the room that is. That matters more than other things that matters the most right now. Black lives matter more than what we're going to talk about on the show today, right? Even even to the point where making a decision. To talk about anything. That's light, light, harder funny. If feels weird, you just feels weird weird. I mean it's like everybody's got stuff. They're going through personally to and everybody's got their. You know their own shifted dealing with and then. Yeah. You're right. Twenty twenty is is is a doozy. But. I just don't I don't? WanNa, I don't want to come across his complaining about it because it's. It's such an important movement and now is the time. And we we all needed to make sure we're taking care of ourselves and we're having. We're having space well. I think there's no when we come to these microphones, and then it's just like. It's tough to know especially when it's like. Do you feel like everything can be scrutinized or criticized? Microphone. Yeah Well I. think that's that's the temptation. The temptation especially for for white people who have the privilege to just check out of the conversation if they want to. If they conclude they don't have, there's nothing personal at stake. They can be like I'm just. Can we just move on? We just talk about something else and I. Think your point is is like no, we're not moving on. And we're. Not We're not moving on until real changes has has taken place. you know that's why my my wreck again today. When which when we get to, it will be directly related to this stuff, and you feel that as a white person. You feel that fatigue setting in that like do I. Got To think about this and. I, was just trying to figure out how to argue with my uncle about corona virus now. I got to argue with them about the you know, it's like yeah, unfortunately. Unfortunately or fortunately for better for worse Yeah I do think for better as what you're getting at is like you got. We gotTA keep talking about it because it's just not something where there was this movement and everybody got. Put stuff on. Instagram and then all of a sudden. It's like okay, we. Know. We're not good. That's the point. Yeah, we're not good. It isn't good. but how do we transition to? Having this ear biscuit be about something else for a second, and I don't you know? I say I don't want to defend that decision I. Just want to have a conversation. Have you, know well. I think the question itself will demonstrate the awkwardness of the transition. So without further ado, why don't you just ask the first question? See we could. We could already been halfway through this but I. I'm glad. I'm glad that we didn't know this question. Praise. Sharp By the way shout out to pray sharp. She was the solver of the of the riddles that in the mythical society that led to. Uncovering the fact that we were doing a live broadcast of screen of me watching Ferris Buehler's Day off for the first time ever. And all the clues were wrapped up in that stereoscopic viewer which featured movies from the eighties. I'd never seen, but wasn't there. A like a a there were a number of steps and she in there was one to work on GM right? Yeah, there there was a there was a clue on GM that tied back to the stereoscopic viewer, and there were a number of layers, and we watch it happen in the discord when it was being solved. That's kind of stuff happening in the medical society. A. Raise you figured it out solving mysteries your question. How old were you when you had your first celebrity crush? WHO WAS HASHTAG ear biscuits? I didn't have. An immediate answer this a really had to think about it. The first person I thought about was was daisy duke. From the Dukes of Hazzard OCCA- well. But I mean he's a controversial choice. Yeah, well, I'm just as a kid I watched that show, and she wore what became to be known as Daisy Dukes. But all I remember feeling was just weird and tinguely and I didn't really understand or WANNA. Come to grips with anything that was happening. Grip? What was that? How old are you talking about? I mean that's pretty young, right? I don't know what years but. I think my first. Real crush that I. Remember is Viki? The robot featured in the television show small wonder. The girl who played the lead yet, the robot the robot. Did you watch the show right I? Mean it started in one, thousand, nine, hundred five. Thousand Nine hundred and watch it religiously. Oh I watched it as a religion. I worshipped her as a celebrity crush because she was robot now I. I don't know I. Just I was like. Oh, she? She's cute and she's. She's kind of robotic. It's kind of. It's kind of cool. I remember being embarrassed that someone would find out that I that I had a crush on a robot girl. And it was. Trying to, but I read a little bit about destroyed that she was an actor. Well Yeah I knew it was an actress, so it wouldn't have been weird to have on the actor who was playing I had a crush on the robot I had a crush on the character. I liked how she acted like you wanted to robot girlfriend. which that is not a good thing, no. No if you have if you are the if you have a robot girlfriend, or if you've got one of those real dolls I'm not saying that's wrong. But I'm what I'm getting at is if you wanted? A woman that you could program and control then that that's that that's A. Birth Place of a of an actual woman. That could get problematic. That could that could reveal some. Bad tendencies about yourself, which was the point of that robot girlfriend Song Yeah. It was a guy who wanted to turn on her off when he wanted to write. I just thought she was cute man. I thought it was cute how there's definitely more going on than that, though now that you've talked about it, okay does something in there her, so her dad was like a a technological advanced. Electronics guy like He. He made her and then he made her as a robot and then didn't tell anybody so as a family. You know they had they had a flesh and blood son. They, had Vicki the robotic daughter. Her name is Vicky I couldn't have told you for something VR. Virtual. Very negative. Ventriloquist. But they kept it a secret that she wasn't that. She wasn't. Hume hints the whole point of the show right? Yeah, there's a lot of tension there. I don't remember. The first crushes that I remember just girls that I went to school with. Like you know and I I remember. I remember like being in first grade and having crushes on girls. You, you pick tall girls, which makes sense and. Then used when you started dating. You started dating short. Girls Right? Yeah, you never dated a tall girl. Well you there was that one girl in college. That was kind of tall. That you wanted to date. Yeah, she didn't they me. No, she didn't want to date you. I didn't mean to bring it up. Did she tell you? I don't know I. Never told her that I wanted today. I thought you wrote her a letter or something I thought. You I thought you made a play. I. Like you check Yes or no? Definitely would not have done that and specifically. no, I never became a thing. It never became a thing well, she was she was as close as you got to dating a girl right, but I mean I mean first grade having a crush on Lisa who is in second grade who was? Boy, well, she she was so tall. And I just think that was. Really she was she was. The only tall girl had a crush on growing up. We name another well. I mean. I'm trying not to name names anymore. Because well, you have a tendency to tame first and last names. You don't have to the girl who you would always have dreams about flying to her house and she wasn't tall. She was tall. No, she wasn't taller. She wasn't short five four maybe. As an adult? She's taller than five Max hundred percent. By four maybe I just watched her in your dreams. Your memory is flawed. But what I'm saying, elaborate cross celebrity crushes. I remember, and I had to look her name up. Because as soon as I, read this question celebrity crush. There was A model. That I remember really really liking in the eighties, as I was sort of becoming, you know. Myself. 'cause I guess in Nineteen Eighty, seven, I'm ten years old, and like I said I was already liking girls before that. But the closer and closer I got to like twelve. Stronger and stronger, these urges got. Christy TURLINGTON. She's still around. She's not dead. Yeah, so what you mean I think she might still model. Yeah, yeah, I mean I'm sure she does in some capacity I I remember Christy Turlington, but she's like one of those classic supermodels of the eighties that like alongside Cindy Crawford. Etc. Yeah, you know. but I just remember seeing her as A. As a as a boy and just thinking. Well. She's very pretty. I mean I thought those things too, but I didn't transfer into a crush because I would. Never, I could never date. A supermodel well I would go line would. Connect I would stop at the magazine. Section at the grocery store. And because she was on a bunch of covers, right? I would go to that section where there was beautiful women on the covers of magazines and we're not talking about the porn section. because. That's not in the grocery store. And I'm not talking about like jugs and. I'm talking about like Vogue Yeah. We already knew that beautiful. The cover and I would just. Would just stare. You wouldn't pull the magazine down and thumb through it. Well 'cause I think it's important to understand that you know, and this is the case in most places but like. You! You didn't walk around Booze Creek and find a woman that looked like that like that does what we didn't. We weren't in Los Angeles or whatever you know, it's like this was like it. Was this something that you're like? Is this really exist? In of course now we know technically no doesn't exist because it's been manipulated. This lighting is perfect, got on his makeup and exactly the right way. I'm trying to figure out I think. I know the answer was more problematic. You being enamored by this this airbrushed woman or me, being enamored by a robotic got well I think what I well. I think what I'm discovering right now is that. I think it's one of the reasons that and I wasn't. This is not the point that I was trying to make and I'm not trying to make a woke. Point this. Not My intention but I do think it's interesting that just as young boy walking through the grocery store while your mom's picking picking out Viviana sausages. You're sitting there with your little sausage in. In the. In the in the magazine section. Staring at these manufactured beautiful women like Christy Turlington and just thinking that this is i remember thinking things like this is why I exist. Like I, I remember thinking that like. This is what I'm here for to find that. And it's a that is not a good. That is just not a good thing to be thinking right to think this some. Manipulated Why are you watch? Talking? Watch is trying to give you some advice. Wow, why would series we asking me? If I was asking her, said something that sounds like series, but now I'm going to put her to sleep. Sorry, this is putting Vicki to sleep. They did that. I, just said Vicky do not disturb me, and so she will never interrupts again until I turn it back on. I don't know what my point was. My point was is that it probably wasn't a healthy thing, but I specifically remember when I saw her on TV because using a bunch of commercials using a bunch of ads. And I didn't know her name I look her name up that I didn't name the time. That that girl! Yeah. That's what I'm about. Yeah you, you are I wouldn't call it an obsession. But I mean we interacted with the female. Form different differently. Expand, please. I'm just saying I didn't I didn't? I didn't I didn't Gawk at the at the magazines I would? I was too embarrassed to do that I was embarrassed that I that I liked Vicky. You or no one in other words, anyone no, not to get graphic I'm just being honest here other words when you as a young boy. Looked at Vicki. You didn't think boy I wonder what that robot looks like under her clothes right and I'm being honest with you. Yeah, that's the kind of thing. That I was thinking when I saw the ad I was like okay What else is there? That's just that's. That's how wired. Yeah. It's interesting that I had shame in just having a crush on Vicki. I wouldn't have wanted anyone to know I would have denied it i. don't think I mean. I didn't talk. I didn't tell you. The girls that I had a crush on not until like probably middle school. At that point I was. Pretty Open about it the girls. Like in school that I had a crush on. I didn't want anyone to know that and when including them. Yeah, and even in Like middle school when people started pairing up and like Oh, she's my girlfriend. We're going together. Like I was really nervous. That, if a when I got a girlfriend like my family was gonNA find out. It's such a weird thing I remember. Just being so nervous that they would be od. You've got a girlfriend Western you. You are scared of them finding out. You were scared of having to talk about it. It was like revealing a part of myself in they. Felt like they would know something about me that I didn't want them to know. that. I had a girlfriend that liked girl. That I. Wanted to hold a girl's hand. I didn't want to talk to my parents. A you know but I was embarrassed that they would know. Your girlfriend I I think that that is normal. I. Think that idea so every every time I wanNA. Talk to either one of my boys about girls immediate embarrassment right? Yeah, so I think that that's yeah. Totally normal a I don it would be. I think it would be a little bit odd. If! They weren't somewhat embarrassed about it right I remember. I remember being at a baseball game and it was when I was dating amber. And we're watching the baseball game. You one of the players. In your mom was there and I remember. What is the remember you say that like? It's macabre holding a cut no-one from the team, yeah? I didn't apply for the day I didn't care for it. Because you misunderstood. It wasn't an application was just showing your. Where's the application? I can't be on this learned enough about baseball to know that I needed to be in the stands holding his girlfriend I I'm sure amber held my hand. I didn't hold her hand. You talking about Middle School Baseball Yeah. When I dated amber. Okay and your mom. Your mom was sitting there in the bleachers, and I'm sitting there and amherst holding my hand and just felt so embarrassed. The your mom's GonNa. See me holding hands. With my girlfriend I get that yet. ISS normal I I think that and I know that sometimes you feel like you. You need to check how. How weird weird you are, because you have, said some things that are okay. Yeah, that's different, but I never unusual never lived the that's not I never looked at girls on a magazine cover and thought man. I JUST WANNA. Keep thinking about her. I just felt like that's a woman. I'M A boy. That's a woman. That's right. That's what I was thinking that that is a woman. That's that's what I was thinking. I was like why doesn't She Sheila? I'm just I'm just going to stay away from the whole that you're digging for yourself I! Know I mean. I've been I've been honest about side as far back as I can remember when I saw beautiful woman I was very attracted to them might make this better. Asking another question, which will answer after the break? Beep Boop, twenty, four, Eighty, eight, says let's talk marriage okay. Well, this will this smooth things over if we talk about. Our our longstanding love affair with our wives. My wife would is not threatened by the things that I as eight year old in the grocery store. I didn't know her at the time I'm not talking about wives. Listening I'm talking about everyone else. Listening like our interactions with females can be appropriate. and. Mutually Edifying! Yeah, and it not be based on. Some farce or your own needs. Or Mine of a robot digestive. Clarify though we've talked about. Who a woman on a television show in a woman in a magazine I'm very associated. 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UNDIES, DOT com slash ear. Okay again! The question is talking about growing up together. When you got married. Young I mean nineteen right. Yeah, so my wife had just turned. I don't WanNa get this wrong. I think he just turned twenty. She she she had turned Tony Give me. She had turned twenty in December. Nineteen ninety nine. and. Then we got married in June two thousand one. I was like twenty. Twenty three. And the time. I was twenty one. I turned twenty two on our on our honeymoon year. Because I'm. A year older than you and got married a year after you so. Like A A. The. You know we just. We and we've been Chris Been Married. Twenty Years Right and you've been married one thousand nine hundred nine years of married as long as this woman lived before she got married and I think maybe she has to. because. That's kind of wrapped up in a question. You've been through a lot. Well. This made me think about we did talk about this. A little bit in the in the lost years podcast just the idea of. Growing up together and. You know the thing about getting married young. Is. You haven't. You. You haven't become the adult that you're going to be right and they're still and nineteen at twenty early twenties. There's still a lot of change I. mean there's going to a lot of change at any point your life, but especially at that time like you haven't lived alone like you haven't. You haven't been an adult responsibilities and all of a sudden. You're to adults. The responsibilities figuring life out together. A lot of people get married at the age. Get divorced because once. They kind of figure out who they are they are. They're like Oh. This is not going to work. But a lot of people if you're you know if you're blessed. As as we have been to kind of be able to grow up together. And as you learn as you grow, it enhances the connection. That which is I think what has happen, but The thing that this made me think of. Is something that Jesse and have started doing. which is. I don't remember why we started I know that she had been watching the first season the last season seasons there have been of this married at first sight. This have not heard of this. Competition show, it's not a competition I. Don't know if there's a netflix original just on Netflix now, we. We watched it on Netflix. And we just started whatever the latest season season two I don't know so. If I. I was like me and her late to watch trash. We'd like to watch trashy reality TV together and laugh at it like we watch the bachelor together we've we've watched that bachelor. The one where they did was basically music was American Idol Makes Mitch Bat Bachelor and they put couples together, and they had to sing together Oh God and then people come in judge it, and this is like horrible. It was cringe vest, but we. We liked to watch things that are bad because it entertainers makes you feel better about not being that cringe. Show. But this show which I just assumed was going to be another one of these shows the premise of the show. Is. They go to a city so this season. They're in Charlotte North Carolina. And all these single people apply in all. These single people are like. I WANNA get married I'm ready to get married. And there's a team of experts who are the host of the show. Oh! and. They go through all these people interview them all the process. They narrow it down to. These. Four couples did they have out of the pair people together, and is this over the course of the season or is this episode? One is the selection of the four couples. Okay now, let me explain to you. This is how it works. This episode to episode is called naked and afraid, because that's how I would describe my honey, but just. You can watch that after. Episode Two is the wedding. Of the four couples, and this is on their wedding. Day is the first time they've ever seen each other. Oh, my Gosh, never win! The bride walks down the aisle. That is the first time that the the groom is seeing her. Just doesn't I mean my knee-jerk Rashes. That doesn't sound like they have. A very high opinion of marriage. Just like yeah, let's let's give this a shot. That is what I thought going in, and that may still be true, but let me it's. It's like Oh. This'll be fun. We can always just get divorced now a great way to start a married now hold on now before you judge it. You're judging it hard right now. I'm judging. I'm saying this is the assumption. Is that I'm bringing a and that's what makes it so entertaining. Now, The way that the show works is and this is if you have a certain view of marriage. You would think that this is wrong. And maybe you fall into this category and I would probably have fallen into this category before I started watching it. I think differently about it now. This show has changed what you think about. Marriage. I I'm GONNA explain so the way that it works is. They're married for eight weeks. In at the end of eight weeks. You decide if you're going to stay married or get divorced. That's the season of television. Right and so I. Don't know what episode we're on right now, but like the second episode. Cameras following him. Honeymoon like we just last night we watch the beginning of the honeymoon like and so there's these questions like. Are we going to have sex on the first night? We literally met this afternoon at our wedding. Are we going to have sex and then? I don't want. I'm not going to spoil anything, but there's like who's going to have sex. WHO's not going to have sex in? It sounds like I'm talking about a trashy show, right? I would be so afraid to forget my wife's name. Oh, that's that's one of the that's what happens when they walked down the aisle. The introduce themselves like I'm Natalie. It's like it's like oh still. You know when they find out their last name. Again, there's some it's at least this this season. Whether in Charlotte. It's very traditional. It's like four couples, heterosexual couples, men and women, and then all the women are taking the husband's last name so the way they're like. We now introduced you. Mr and Mrs Johnson and the woman's like Johnson legs. She's like responding is great television. Let me just say it's great television because of that because you put yourself in this and you're like. What would it be like? Okay? Now I just thought this is going to be trashy reality TV that I was just going to be laughing at the whole time. The reason my Li-, my wife likes to watch it with me is. I weep. When I was. Talking about and I don't mean you we don't mean like. She'll look over at me and like I've I've got like tears. Okay Multiple Times while watching the ship it you got. You Got Tears because I'm laughing right now, but I got tears in mind, yeah! So I don't know, but I've been trying to figure out what's going on and Jesse. We've been talking about this and and there's I think there's a number of things. First thing is what's going on in your heart. Like. Why am I responding to the show in this way and so one one thing is? That hit me. That these marriages. which are arranged by someone else? Yeah? are very similar to my marriage. And let me explain what I mean by that. Here, biscuits is supported by sleepnumber. Leading a healthy lifestyle is easy. Right, get you veggies. Get you smoothies. Get you exercise. Do Some Yoga do some meditation? Okay? Maybe it's not that easy, but there is something that helps improve everything, and you can do it with your eyes closed Rhett are you talking about slave? Labor? sleepnumber knows what it takes to sleep your best asleep number. Three sixty smart bed lets you choose your ideal firmness, comfort and support on each side each side of your body each side of the bed. Your sleep number setting is what it's called. 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I mean you don't know what the Hell you want when you're old either but especially when you're young, and you're figuring out who you are thing how differently I think about literally everything than I did when I was twenty three twenty years have gone by a change in many different ways ways that we've talked about on the show still married to the same woman who has also changed in similar and different ways. Yeah, and there's this idea that. Oh well, you got to be exactly sure about this person. You gotTA. Know everything. There is a know about them you. You probably live with them before you get married because you need to know what kind of habits they have. This show calls that into question. Right in in calls into question that. Is really about someone who is. The individuals that make up the marriage are ready for the commitment that marriages right they are, they are. They are prepared to be like. I know you're not perfect I. mean first of all a lot of one of the things we've been talking about is. The process of having experts select your spouse for you is probably at least as reliable as the process of selecting your spouse for yourself. Let me just say that that's a that's a premise. That's a working theory that I have yeah, and I'm not talking about. We should go back to arrange marriages. I'm just saying that. If you wanted to submit yourself to this process, you like to think that. No, no, no, no I would be better at making this decision because I'm rational. I WANNA make sure I'm in love with somebody whatever your reasons would be. I submit that. That initial spark that makes you fall in love with with somebody while it is important. It isn't the thing that we talked about this before, but the isn't the thing that maintains a twenty year marriage. So yeah, let's talk more about the commitment component, but I. do think that when I was. You know trying to figure out if I was going to propose to Christine if we were meant to be together. I was doing lots of math. I was doing lots of analysis right, and even if we got engaged, we went, we went through. Premarital counseling which I highly recommend because it can raise flags that could lead to you. Know what let's turn back now. You know let let's make an informed decision as we can. About the commitment, we WANNA make I feel like some of these experts that you're describing. Did we traded Christine? I tried to do in our premarital counselling. We went through this book and it was like it was a workbook. Maybe you went through the same workbook. Remember what it was called Tom Nelson it. No, but it was in an Oh, you mean like a Putt Tom Nelson Evangelical publish earlier. It was like. Preparing for marriage or some billions? Yeah, I think it was it was. From a Christian worldview. Yeah, but it was very practical like it. It it guided us to talk about things like. Yeah like our expectations for sex but then smaller things like Habits like things that matter to you small things that are big deal to you things that you know that. Can Be annoyances like how you deal with money. Yeah, all and then putting a plan in place that could be points of conflict. You put a plan in place. It's like okay, we can. We hear each other and we agree and we're we're. We're planning our future, but we're also analyzing like there is a chance and it felt very slim. That are counselor. Who is walking US through? This would be like. You know what you're not right full. pull the plug not right for each other. I'm sure some counselors do that once we were really bold. It's I. still think seems like a really great idea like. This television show not the television because it is a great idea of. Premarital certification I won't even say council like some sort of sort of third-party certification. I I mean as my kids get older and they're like. As they start finding partners I'll be like. Can you agree to a third party certification? I'm making this up right now because I don't live. Television show. Okay Yeah, they just go on there. Well, okay I. I agree I. Get what you're saying I agree with all of it I'm interested in the commitment component, but like tell me what you're learning. Well district, Finish your. To add to your thought. Finisher. Finish my thoughts to add to your thought. I think that again I don't. These experts. How qualified are they I don't know as got PhD's and Shit but how? Does that certification process that they are putting these people through compare to this sort of the very small focus group of the two of you Anna Counselor. How does it compare I'm saying that? My suspicion early on now first of all one of the things is like who's to say together like right. That's one of the fun things about watching. Ingesting are like Oh this couple I think they're going to be okay like we say things. I think they're going to be okay then this couple it's like. ooh Like he's. He's really organized and she's not right, and so you'll be like well. Why did they put them together? And you know sometimes it is a huge problem. Sometimes, it's not it. It really depends and maybe a reason why they put. It is because the producers over road in expert. That's the thing that I talked to Jesse. About I was like I disc. What you think, don't you agree that because I get into the production side of. Don't you think that they made the people on this television? Show signed something that said that they understood that one of the criteria for them Casting CA. Them coming together companies. People together is. An, entertainment quality right to sure it's in the fine print somewhere. Yes, you will be matched according to your compatibility, but you will also be matched according to entertainment value. So they probably didn't say they. They probably said with the perogatives of the. So, it's probably covered, I'm sure they've got that covered. Netflix's whoever makes show. Now all that being said I think the reason that I get teary, eyed and first of all. There's like one couple that I don't. There's N-, illicit nothing. I have no sympathy for them. I don't really like either of them. That's what they sound like for each other and I think the also I think they have the smallest chance of staying together, but these other three couples. It's like when like the bride walk down the aisle, and like the husband saw her. It was like I found myself in this. I do this weddings in general, I get kind of teary-eyed at weddings. but I found myself. I had I was like what the hell is happening to me right now. Why am I responding in this way? And I think that it has a lot to do with thinking about. Those moments in my marriage in the way that like Jesse and I did not know what we were doing. This same sort of like deer in headlights. What have I gotten myself into 'em I ready for this? That is so. Sensationalizing exaggerated. In this show is something that I felt about that whole period of my life of you know. We got we got married. Women got married because of the culture that we were in. We got you know one of the reasons. We got married when we got married because. At the time we were abiding by. A worldview that said that premarital sex wasn't part of God's plan right? It's like you WANNA have sex. You got to be in a committed marriage specifically, not just a relationship, but marriage, and that had that had a deep impact on our decision making. Abilities exact again I'm saying all this because you may look at this show like you did. And like I did before I watched it and said this is ridiculous. Why would anybody make a decision to get married based on some experts on a television show? And then you start thinking about the reasons that you get married and I say none of this to say that I was madly in love with my wife still am. was drawn to her. We were compatible. We you. We couldn't stay away from each other. We couldn't imagine not having a life together. All those things were in place. But so much of that was just influenced by the nature of who we were at the time in these these cultural pressures and expectations in our worldview, right? But that got into right, but none of that stuff. None of stuff keeps you in it. That stuff can that that kind of throws you over the threshold, but it doesn't keep you in the room, but yeah but. There mayor they got married it in episode one and by episode eight. They're deciding if they're gonNA stay together. Really that means is like we're GONNA to be married for eight weeks. No legally binding who I know, but but they've kind of. Thrown out the window there like were less. Let's play marriage. Let's be married. In an experiment for television for eight weeks, and then we'll decide if we really want to be married, but to tie it in with our story. One of the girls on the show one of the women. She's twenty seven years old. His a virgin who has saved herself for marriage. Okay so that feels like there's more at stake. Because she's GonNa. She's GonNa give up her virginity, which is very important to her according to her worldview. And then not stay with this guy because it after eight weeks. It seems like maybe it's not. It's GonNa be a little bit difficult. Well I think that is the question if she a fact that she's again, I'm not making a statement I'm not promoting. A. Culture thing I'm just saying that the fact that she is saved herself for marriage. Increases the chances that their marriage will go beyond the eight weeks because. She continued to, did she? Did she wait to have sex until? has she waited so far. They have not consummated yet. Yeah, okay, that makes sense and that's. The point that I'm in that supports my my assertion. They will, though you think they're going to hold out. She's going to hold off for eight weeks. I guarantee you. She's going to do it. She's already basically said that she's going to do it. Oh, yeah, yeah, because they are because once she once. She realized that she wants to have sex with him. She's already married to him. In a according to her worldview typically how it happened, she is she she's. She got the okay as soon as she got married to him. Yeah But she's probably if she subscribes to. That worldview, I think she's probably also subscribes to the view that she can't get divorced unless there's infidelity so unless he cheats on her and the next day weeks on this television show, which is probably not gonNA. Have because there's cameras on the whole time. She's going to be married this guy for a long time. And I'm not in a lot of times that that doesn't work out well. I'm just saying I I'm not judging it good or bad I'm just saying that that decision makes it more likely for her to stick around in the marriage room for longer. But how many? How many of these contestants? You say contestants, man, acting couples married couples. What what are they saying about? Commitment things that make me cry. So. So, they're like we're. They're sincere. They're not like. Just tiptoeing around like this is an experiment. They're not out of the way that I'm saying. Not acting like our lives depend on this relationship, the reason that I like it. He's because the people on the show the reason I feel about it differently like when I watched the bachelor or the Bachelorette or the Bachelor in paradise, which is the trash is trash. I've never used any me and Jessie even watch that. I'm watching small wonder reruns. We watched that too hot to handle that I tweeted about which was i. mean the whole point of the show was to be trash. When we watch those shows we just. I just judge the can the people. The contestants constantly and I'm just like how stupid you have to be to go on this show, and like these people don't understand anything about life. These people on Meredith first sight like it's a different. It's a different kind of person like they are taking it very seriously. The it isn't like out in other words when you watch the bachelor. How many of these women what Bachelorette? How many of these men are on the show for cloud so they can be? Become reality, TV stars. That you don't get that vibe at all from these is like. I did this because I want to be married because I see myself as a married person and I haven't had any luck in that. In my own life trying it my way so now. Why don't let these experts do a for me and it's not that I don't believe in. I mean I. Don't know what I think about arranged marriages, but I think that. I, do think I have this belief which I haven't thought about or like. Asserted I'm just GONNA vomit this out and see can make sense of it like everything else I'd say. I've I've been like you know what I i. I believe that arranged marriages could work just as well as marriage is now I'm not I. Don't want to get into like who's arranging it. Like I'm not I'm not weighing in on that, but like if you put two people to. If you submit to a process and you're, you're on board for that and it's. In its It's by your volition. People equally committed because a lot of times both people eat arranged. Marriage marriage in general can be kind of tied into this patriarchal thinking, but so we're talking about in the Buffy, yes. We want to be. Married. I mean just like in that show. I have thought in general. It could probably work. I think it's. Part of my I, guess my experience kind of impacts. My opinion that. Lie Christy now we're talking the other day about this. This. A couple in I. Know I know nothing about her. She was like so and so is has announced. They're getting a divorce like very. It's like. The their motivational speaking couple that they talk about. Relational Dynamics, and after like almost twenty years of marriage, they've decided to just be friends and I'm like listen. I don't know anything about this, but if you break up if you divorce after that long, you just want to be friends. It's like. When you add the detail that they have a public persona of giving marriage advice, and then that makes sense that. I'm just saying there's alterior motive to. To maintain a friendship to prove that like my voice is still valid when it comes to relationships. But that's a hard thing to believe that like you've been married twenty years and you get you get divorced in your. We're still best friends and. Raising kids together. It's like that's fricking complicated I'm just suspicious, but I know nothing decides what I just said. I know nothing except the thing. My Wife said to me offhand affirmed inclusion. But I told Christie. Tacked onto that conversation I was like we've been through so much together and I can understand being married for twenty years, and I mean we've changed so much that we could have changed in ways that were so different and divergent that. We would get a divorce. But I'm so grateful that we haven't changed in exactly same ways, and we haven't changed at exactly the same times, but we've gone through so much of a together that we're still very much in it together, and we're we're. Like the same page the book is a big book I mean you don't the pages. It's not like teetering on A. On a On. A PIN head. That you're trying to like. To stay on the same page you don't have to be in. You don't have to believe the same thing about everything. You don't have to have the same instincts you. You don't have to be the same person to to make it last because crews are not the same person. But we've changed in. This. It's an and like a dance. There's a give and take, and there's a there's a listening and there's A. Sharing and there's A. It's under girded by this commitment. I guess that. We are in this together. We are together. We are going to go through this together and it's going to when it's really hard. It's really yeah. At times. It's really hard. When if you come through it? If you'd come three to those things, it makes it. You can go into the next one with that much more confidence the next marriage. The next trial. If, you can figure out I married what you did wrong. Go to the second one. A lot of people do say that. I'll do that. My second marriage I want I want to stay here. I know we're staying with this question, but I I WANNA stay because. One of the things I I don't remember the name of the study I. Don't know where this was Jesse, told me about it. but there was some relationship expert. Slash psychologists. Who said that they could? Look at. The basically set couples down had them communicate with each other on video. And this person could watch like twenty seconds of the video I feel like I could do that, too, and decide if they're gonNA. Stay together and make a very accurate prediction as to whether or not, they would be together five years from now. And I don't I'm not getting the numbers exactly right, but it was an unbelievably short amount of time of seeing them together could make a very predictable. Very reliable prediction. About how long are we going to get? What would you look for because I? Feel like I could do that well. The here's the thing I know what I love. That's what this show. That's one of the things you're doing as you watch the show. And here's Lucy I firmly believe that while you could get into some really like analytical. It's not. It's a vibe. And now it is based because this is important because there are things like. Mijas you've talked about lately. We've been like you know. How sometimes like you know someone and you get this. You, get a vibe from them. And you and you can be I'd just I don't I think this person is duplicitous or I think that this person. There's something off about this person. In their character. and. You can kind of sense it, but then you're like that feels. That feels judgmental. Not Basing that on anything other than just a confrontation I had with them immune you. Have have noticed this. There's been a couple of times when like. We've met with someone in a business capacity. And then we'll come out of a meeting and we'll be like. I, don't I don't get a good vibe from that guy? And it might be that. But what I have learned is that whatever is happening when I say that to myself is more reliable than the to our conversation than you that me and you might have afterwards trying to rationalize our way into thinking whether or not somebody is worth working with. And that's what I think. This ecologist picking up on is that. The human capacity for processing things in a way that you cannot even articulate. Is. Way under appreciated by most people in other words you divide that you get from. Someone is very often reliable. That doesn't mean you're going to be wrong sometimes, but I'm just saying that I think that we try to. We talked about this because there's this one the one couple that we don't think I just the look on his face when she says something to look on her face, the physical just the way that they seem to be connecting, and then there's another couple that is immediately. You're like they. They got it. They're going to be together a long time. I can see the way they interact me. It comes down to. I mean you can and I don't know how long it takes. It varies from person to person, but if you can tell. Somebody's like a genuine good person. You know. If I was trying to be specific about my analysis to me. Something that would be a telltale sign was like. Being able to quantify humility, I if if I, could you know if if? If I'm listening on the conversation and it's. You could tell that. They don't seem like. They're. They're asserting that they've got it all figured out or that. Type of person that can say they're sorry. You know you gotTA. You gotta be willing to. Be Humble and. Admit your mistakes to stay in in an. In a vibrant relationship and I think we when you've been married when we as long as we have. We, know! We. We really know our partners right like I know Kristie. I was GONNA say inside and out, but then that would have been weird right well, but sort of true. It's totally true, but I didn't mean it in that way to. Get your mind off the magazines. Dirty minded little boy. I just. Like I mean we, we know each other. We know everything we feel like we can predict what the other person would say or think or interact and what? We know what the other person is capable of as friends like people think our friendship is so extraordinary for that reason, but it's like I feel like that's really a requirement for marriage for long lasting marriages like. People like and I. Guess That's people say that about our friendship is like because it's not a marriage and people don't invest that much in friendship, but I think you have to have that in a marriage, and it was such a high standard. I know, but what what what I'm seeing in these couples is literally okay. They just got married. But they're not I mean. They get. They just got married and then. They, after they get married. The camera follows them as they walked back through everybody we present to you. Mr Mrs Johnson. They walked through everybody, and then they go to this little. They all get married at the same place someplace in Charlotte and then they have their first date, and then they know they're just sitting there, talking to each other and there's like a bottle of champagne like they do it. All the couples have to do it and it's dislike. I looked at the way that these two people interacted with each other. In the first moments of ever meeting and I feel like I can make a reliable prediction, and that's not what the psychologist is doing so I. Don't think I agree with everything that you're saying that the key to a continuing marriage is this learning about each other is communicating, but I'm talking about. Compatibility that gives you the right runway to be able to establish those things that you're talking about. I feel like is something that you can just sense in a sense kind of way. Now there are some people in this is. The case is unfair to put it on the first time you meet. Elevated after you've got married because there's plenty of no, I'm just saying at matting one hundred percent. Right what I'm saying that there is this i. you can sense compatibility pretty quickly. But. There's lots of people who get married young did not realize that they weren't I mean just because you're the two people people get married in your small town in the same year doesn't mean that you're compatible, right? It's it's statistics. You were in the right place at the right time. Then you start trying to figure out. Are you actually compatible a lot of this? That's where your commitment. Kind of goes into like you've got compatibility and you've got commitment. Right and compatibility on its own home doesn't cannot keep a marriage together forever. Commitment on its own can like. There are people who hate each other, but because they don't believe in divorce, they're just gonNA be together forever. I think that the beautiful marriages are the ones, and once there is a compatibility in that compatibility can grow because you change over time. Desk coupled with commitment that then there are these beautiful moments. We actually love each other. Have a great time with each other, but that's not always going to happen. Because I'm a human, you're human. I'm GonNa, be an astle. You're going to be an asshole and in those moments to get through the asshole moments. You gotTA stick. You gotta does when you gotTA. Have that commitment, place? And the only thing I'm saying it's a commitment to a crazy. It was to look at these couples and make a decision about I. I would add that. It's a commitment to a couple of things. It's not just a commitment to stain together I. Think IT'S A. is a commitment to being. You know it's. It's the reason why their vows like. You commit to the certain things that you're GONNA do. Serve and love the other person place there needs before your needs in sickness and in health like that sickness thing. That's that can get real tough right. Yeah, and if. You know so if That's a huge commitment, and it's a blind commitment, and for most people who haven't you know care for someone who's really been sick? So I think it's. It's a commitment to those things that that you're that. You're promising that you're gonNA. Put the that you're going to make it work. I'm committed to to to dancing with you. You know sometimes. The music is gonNA suck. Sometimes are laser GONNA be broken. You know. But. We're GONNA. We're we're committed to dancing together through life well. That's that's something that it requires constant cooperation and fidelity when I think that the the thing that is difficult for a lot of couples. Is. In this dish should be incorporated into the more traditional vows if it isn't. Community commit to communicate right and I don't I think that people have a difficult time in this can be personality based, but. You know. Sometimes when you're having a difficult moment with someone who's a friend, any any relationship? and. Sometimes what you have to do is you have to have that Meta conversation. You have to talk about the way that you talk to each other. You got to be like you have to sit some couples. Get to a place where? Oh. We're not really communicating. We're not connecting anymore. And we have lost the ability to talk about the fact that we're not connecting anymore. And I? Think that that happens in so many relationships right? It's like if you stop talking about the nature of your connection is going to be very difficult to get the connection back without first addressing that directly if you're just focused on the superficial stuff, the specifics of the current argument that you're in. But you haven't you haven't gotten to the. How do you actually connect and how you communicate solving? This particular problem is not going to be helpful. It's just GONNA kick the. Can down the road you know and I think that's what you're getting at earlier with the marriage counseling is like what it helps you having a third party a lot of times. Oh, we can have the uncomfortable conversation that we for some reason can't have with just the two of us, right. Through to that and not. Complain, not just premarital but like. Marriage therapy is is very good. You know you're saying sometimes you just have to bring in a third person in my therapist is my wife's therapist, which is not necessarily advisable across the board. But in our. Our Situation? Because a lot of times, what we're doing is we're talking about each other. is like well. My therapist has the other side of the story, and then occasionally, if it sir, if there's like an acute. We'll both go together. And that and that has been. That has been helpful. I think knowing that. Most relationships I'm not going to say all this entropy right of it, okay? You know this isn't GonNa last forever because we're both imperfect people that have are prone to selfishness and. we're not. We're not the same person. And we you know there's so many variables you never know what could be thrown at us as a couple so then? It's. Just having this mentality, okay, if that's the tendency, then we have to be vigilant about the threats to our relationship. From internal and external and just. Know that okay. We're GONNA. We're GONNA, identify and we're GONNA. WE'RE GONNA face. These threats head on, and not just because we know that that's that's what's most likely to happen. Is that something's GonNa come something's GonNa. Sneak up on you and then a few months. You're like okay. There's there's a wall that's built up. This is A. This is a threat to our marriage long-term. It's not just. Lean to a bad week or badmouth bright. So I you know I felt like I had this very. Heightened commit Chris. Parents are still together. You know my parents were. In my experience, we're never together. And so I just you know I had this. I had this mentality that like I I was going to like I was Gonna stay committed like I wasn't. Divorce was never an option. And I. I mean I don't. I haven't reassessed. Mentality. Maybe there's some negative aspects to that and I think you can lean on that and it's like. It minimizes the amount of work that goes into it. You just can't say well. Divorce is not an option like we've already talked about. That's not how you dance. just by saying I'm just GONNA I'M GONNA stand here and I'm going to be here. That's not dancing well and I. Sadistically I. You hear this thrown around, but I mean. I don't know of his true I don't know what the latest statistics are, but. I always heard when I was in the church that the divorce rate inside outside of the church is is about the same. Time I don I always found that hard to believe just because I didn't see as much divorce in the circles that I was in because it felt like people were more committed because they did have this sort of ideological underpinning that included. Divorce is not an option. and I do think that there is a there is a dark side to that. Because a lot of times, it ends up being an eyewitness this not not with friends, but just people that we like new and church where there would be like. This person is being emotionally. Maybe physically abused. Sure sure and yet they're staying in this marriage because they have this ideological commitment and that's. That's for them. For the kids, or for other reasons, or you know right, but as it applies to us, I think that 'cause I mean i. my parents are still together. Jesse's parents are still together. So I didn't have the same sort of like. Well I'm going to be different. but I brought the same mentality that you did to the marriage. Is like it is nice to have it off the table. You know where it's. You know where you agree from the beginning from before the beginning of being married that. Divorce under normal. Circumstances. Is is not an option. It's not we're not gonNA use it as a relational escape hatch. It's a it's a last resort. And I do think that there is again, and this is not when it comes to relational. I'm not I'm not judging anybody or not prescribing anything. I would have a difficult time. You know obviously kids changed the picture. Because now you've got. You've got some people who are going to be affected especially if their kids at your currently raising their in the house. But if there's a couple that again just like Mary and this show, which has become an ad for this show unintentionally. But, like okay, if you believe that getting married and getting divorced on a television show is wrong then. I can't argue with that that I'm not going to change your mind about that, but if you think that. These people came into this on their own volition. Then they together made the decision. They weren't compatible. They haven't brought any kids into this yet. and then they make a decision to mutually separate and get divorced then. I'm not going to be like well, you diss. Honored the institution of marriage by doing that and I'm also going to say if you know if it somebody. everyone has their own reasons for it. but I think that the idea that this this is like this isn't just a serious thing. This is a commitment that through all these potential circumstances that we're going to stay together, because if we don't think like that, we're going to see a way out. And then in the in the in your lowest moments you will, you might go for. For the door if you've installed the door, but if you've never installed the door, you're not gonNA leave, but you know what you could decide a certain point in relationship together. Hey, let's install the door. If you come to that conclusion as a couple and you're like I think that we need to seriously consider that we may not. Maybe we're not supposed to be in relationship with each other. There was a time in my life. When I subscribe to an evangelical worldview where I would be like that's the devil talking. You can't go there because that's you. You're talking about building the escape hatch in. You're gonNA, do it. My perspective on that has changed it's like it's not my role to judge other couples and how they go about that right but what I can say from speaking from own experiences that not building the escape hatch. Not Putting the Dorin has been one of the reasons I can point to for being married for nineteen years. For me. Yeah and and for me, too. Yeah I I do get. I'm sure there's people in our position who were saying similar things and then down the road they get divorced. Of course you know even that couple that I was making all these assumptions about because they're public. And now they're saying their friends and you know it's just that's just. Me Bring my sumptious to hide. I don't even know their names. What are their names? Let's say him, but. It, it does get complicated and I. You know I, don't. I. Do WanNa make a commitment to not? To not judge other people I. Mean because it's like. Who have been are going? I think that's clear because. What I hear you and me saying is that. If what you have collectively decided to do, is this then? There are certain decisions that you can make to help make that reality. Become a reality right that idea become a reality. But, but everything that you've made together. Decide that you wanted different reality youtube well, because everything that we're that we said seems to imply that the that the that the high road is to stay married forever married forever and I used to think. And there is something beautiful about it. I'm not gonNA with that and I do think there is something beautiful about like coming adversity in light, just the nature of commitment, but you know what there's plenty of examples of people who were in a difficult marriage, not just necessarily one that they needed to get out of for safety reasons, but just people who mutually discovered that they wanted something different, and now they're in their each other beautiful committed relationships. That's a reality as well and I'm in. There was a time in my life. Again if you subscribe to. Sort of conservative evangelical worldview. Then if you really read certain parts of the Bible in a certain way, then those marriages after divorce or illegitimate marriages. Yeah and I'm glad that I don't have to think that anymore. Because the observational, you know, my experience is that no, actually some of those marriages are better and healthier and better for these people and better for the world than the previous marriage. Yeah, I'm not going to cancel that marriage because I got some ideological commitment. Yeah, how do you think my mom felt over the years? When like culturally, we were in an environment where it was like. You can't I mean that's. You failed. You've something is wrong with you twice right? You know you're in your third marriage. Now it's like. You failed twice. And that's that's not what happened in many places. You're not qualified to be in leadership if if you're in a relationship like that. You've kind of like you've got this mark on you and you can never I mean I think we've said everything through the filter of the through the Lens of. We, we love our wives and. They love us and that's that's who I wanNA I. WanNa be with Christy. Until I die. Because she'll already be no or until she does I just want to cover the basis until one of us does. Is called till death. Do US far. I. Don't WanNA I don't WanNa start like they took care of that. Guys I. It's not until I. Are you die? It's till death. Do US part. Yeah, that makes it. You don't have to think about who dies I. You just say that you don't WanNa have to unravel that I told Jesse. She's younger than me. I'm tall I'm going to die I. I. Mean it's just I'm just going with the stats. Tall people live long. Sorry so very upset when I start talking like so commitment looks different for her than it does feed. Yeah, I might listen. If things go as according to just like nature, you're GonNa have at least a few years to just find a new man. How does that feel? Yeah I mean now. He hates when I thought I'd I'd love joke with her with her about it because she says things like well if I died. How long would it take you to get married? And and then I say things like. I don't know if I would get married. And then she gets really mad oh, really. Because, she wants you to get married. She don't want you to be. What philander flavor something I i. Haven't thought about it crossed that bridge. If we get there, you know what I'm saying. But like. I don't know. I'm a different person I am. If. You're honest, though I think what you would say I know what you would say, you'd say. Well I've been watching this show. I'm going to go on. It seems season three of married at first sight. Everyone is a widow or or a widow. Who I think I just gave you all good idea. That's going to get real heavy. It's the talk about talk about crying while you watch you. Hear all the stories spouse died. That's That's a bad idea, but as a producer. They've been talking about it oh. Yeah, hopefully, producer of married at first sight is is listening in, so we ended up just talking about. Marriage you know we talked about marriage, but we really just talking about our marriages thought about those four marriages on that television show as well I didn't really get into specifics. So. Is that your recommendation this week? This wasn't able to television show I know range. I'm GonNa Give You rain I'm going to give another recommendation on top of that. What is the name of the show is married at first sight saw net flicks I can only vouch for the most recent season. Don't know what season that is. It might be season to. Only four episodes in. Another wreck. Okay, they goes back to what we were talking about before. which is some of the things that we continue to be dealing with as a society for the betterment of our society, and it's a book that I AM. has I made a recommendation. My letter to a white man that I wrote, but I'm going to talk about specifically here and that is I'm still here. Black dignity in a world made for Whiteness by Austin. channing Brown. and this book. I'm just GONNA. Read the description here. That was made by whoever wrote this particular review. The Hello Sunshine Book Pick. REECE's book club from a leading voice on racial justice, and I opening account of growing up Black Christian female that exposes how wide America, why America's love affair with diversity so often falls short of its ideals. and I know that you started this book as well, but the the the general idea of the book is exactly what was just described there that. We can come to this place, and this is something that has happening in the midst of the movement right now where a bunch of white people can be. Yes, we value diversity, and we and we believe that that is a that is something that should be represented in our circles of friends and our businesses in our society in our leadership, and our legislature is the right thing to say, and it's an easy thing to say right now, but it's one. Her point is challenging to enact. She tells from very personal perspective what it has been like to be in white spaces as a black woman. In spaces that said this is what they valued and maybe even thought that this is what they valued, but didn't understand what that actually meant. it's incredibly challenging. It's incredibly eye opening I think actually I. Don't know if it was a New York Times bestseller from the beginning, or if it has become a New York, times bestseller in the midst of this movement, but it is a New York Times bestseller because it's two years old. But it is really sort of experiencing this new wave of interest, because it speaks so directly to the movement that has happening right now and I think more importantly or e, even more importantly for a couple of white dudes like us is asking the question of what does moving beyond valuing diversity. To making diversity and inclusivity. And sort of deconstructing this. You know, white is the norm mentality that a lot of have without even realizing it. What does it take to break that down? What does it? What does it take to move beyond that because that's the real? Work that needs to happen. is not recognizing the race. The racial injustice is doing something about it and real change so I'm still here by Austin channing. Brown and it is a pretty easy read, so no excuses for not checking this one out wherever you check out books, or you could just by the book as well. Don't just check it out all right. We'll speak again next week and please as always contributed to conversation using HASHTAG ear biscuits.

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Yes WIE Can: Talking Institutional Change with Dee Poku-Spalding

Superwomen with Rebecca Minkoff

39:02 min | 1 year ago

Yes WIE Can: Talking Institutional Change with Dee Poku-Spalding

"Employee experience is a priority because it drives retention engagement and ultimately business growth yet turnover keeps rising because traditional approaches to improving proving experience are too narrow s._a._p. Success factors helps you expand your strategy and redefined employee experiences from every angle you can capture you're in the moment insights from employees across multiple interactions then link them with operational data to see what is happening in your workforce and understand why you can break down system barriers using intelligent technology to integrate experiences with h._r. And across the business and you can practically tackle the toughest challenges like diversity inclusion wellbeing and more with s._a._p. Success factors you can deliver comprehensive unexpectedly exceptional experiences that keep employees engaged and keep your business growing everyone. It's rebecca. You're listening to superwomen today. I am thrilled to bring to you d poku. She is a founder of many things one of the things she has found his dinner for ladies where she brings incredible women together in a room to have vulnerable passionate interesting conversations. She's also the founder of the other festival and this was a great honest episode so take listen. I <music>. I'm here with the incredibly inspirational and talented d poku. Thank you for joining me today. Thank you for calling me that so i would love for us to start with what is the wea- network and how did you come up with the idea so we as a community and it's designed to give gave women the network and the support systems they need to get ahead and to be successful and it was inspired by my own experiences navigating the workplace so i spent most of my career working for big corporations and it's it's hard as a woman and it's hard as a woman of color the overcome various obstacles and i i feel there are things there were things into in the business world that reads designed ryan to trip women up and if you don't understand those invisible rolls it can be very difficult for you and so whenever i came up against those roadblocks yes i had to just figure them out for myself and i would either fail and learn from it or you know somehow stumble upon the right answer but i it didn't have anyone to return to. It didn't have people there. I felt comfortable sharing my weaknesses way they'll sharing my confusion with so and and i didn't i certainly didn't have mentors all noise even understand that concept that that even could exist for me and so i did well doing what i did and in the business but there's so much more i could have done and we was created to help women like me so women who are in who are in a similar situation to figure things out and to learn from the experiences about this and what is we stand for. We stands for women inspiration and enterprise which is a very long day but it does have a purpose and i i do think that any organization or industry organization nation that's designed to support women or just executives should have joel function so we have hard as we have you know to sit of tough the moments and so we need that inspiration. I'm a motivation daily in that can come through just knowing someone's become the same hurdles just sort of being around or hearing from and people who have been there and so that's the inspiration portion is just should've. What do you need to get you over the daily humps then the enterprise is israeli the toolkit so we we don't just want women said come talks and just here inspiring people and go home and have a five minute high. I want them to leave with a notebook filled with ideas and you know sort of specific sort of nuts and bolts that they need. It's so we want them to understand how to negotiate. We wanted to understand how to present themselves. What their personal story and narrative is wanting to understand stand you know all facets of the business world from dish salt in to marketing to fundraising so we just want to sort of give them that full full breadth of information so you started that and then you also started something called the other festival. What is the other festival on. How did you decide decide to launch not just one but two companies so it was the other festival was inspired by the changing demographic demographic of the women who started to come to the events so we he was created to support women who had my specific background and experience so women who were sort of in that middle point mid point if that crazy you're just starting to come up against the glass ceiling or you know and and so it was really early bouts of female executives navigating corporate culture that was me and then what i notice what that was that the demos started skewing queuing younger and younger and there were all these like bad young twenty year olds who wanted success yesterday and were filled with ideas who who also showing up and they were very entrepreneurial very ideas driven very impatient looking for experiences is and it just started to feel like what i was providing with. We wasn't really serving that specific. Audience particularly well and i also was just inspired by the suit of budgeting entrepreneurial spirit. I was seeing in young women so most of the entrepreneurs i knew a women who had had jobs ups and then transferred into entrepreneurship whereas these were women who were straight out of college for like okay i have this idea i'm going to raise money and like make it happen and so the other festival was was really for them and <hes> and so encompasses more so it has all of the great components of wheel this the learning and the networking but it's also very experiential and so there's musa can ought and books and it's a way of sort of forming community around creativity and yeah and just sort of creating more sort of innovative space and so i wanted to call it something else else just to give it its own identity and that was an impulse but at the end up feeling like the right decision there are no. I have to figure out how to really sort of merge the two hugh entities but that's for another conversation being that there are lots of female conferences popping up and there's old ones. There's new ones all all the time. How would you distinguish the other festival from the rest like what would make someone who's listening go. Oh this is for me. You know i get off his question the law and there there there is a lot out there. You know one thing i would say was that i've been doing this awhile before. This was a thing i started this organization and saw this need so. I think that i just have a very long time to really learn and understand from women about what their needs are. Most people who come to prevents describe the authenticity of it <hes> that there's just this real sense of women pulling together in a in a very sort of authentic way and there's a certain kind of woman who's attracted to my events and she tends to be sort of a cosmopolitan cosmopolitan city girl. Who's you know ideas driven whether she works for company. Whether she's starting her own thing she still has not entrepreneurial spirit in <hes> so <hes> she wants company she source of innovating enterpreneurial within her company and so i just think it's that sort of you you know there's a certain type of woman and we woman and used to know who she is and so people form really deep connections when they come because they just find that there are like minded people there for them but you know and above that i would just say that the content is always really really practical. I don't want to waste anyone's time time ever and so i just you know i defy anyone to come and say that they came to an event of mine and left empty-handed. I like that challenge you so one of the things and i think for people who may be aren't in this world to be able to get people like arianna huffington christy turlington or donna karen to speak at era festival. That's no small feat. What was a secret ingredient for gaining this type of support and involvement with women that are so high profile. I think is really important. I wouldn't know why you're asking whoever you're asking and to have a bespoke approach to them <hes> and so i i i'll never just sir like standard letters to everybody. I just try in and tailor it to the person and i'm very specific about who i asked to speak so it's never just sort of these are the names. I'm just going to ask a you know. I'm always scribbling notes because i'll read something or see something hit. Something and i think you know this woman. I love what she has to say. I love how she's approaching her work and so i always have sort of copious notes in the in the back of my iphone <hes> with just names of people so many so many so many so that's you know that's important so there was no exactly why i'm asking them and i think that's important but also i've built a network and i built relationships. I started in the fashion business. I then moved into the movie industry and i'm doing this and and over the years i've built some we need strong relationships with people who have connections and so i generally always know someone who knows someone who knows that a person and so it's just always you know easier to go through a connection then to sort of fire off a standard letters through an info email. I always say the six degrees of separation is totally real. It's what got me to where i got to six degrees of different women just helping you helping in passing the baton right yep yeah. It's completely that so i'm surrounded by women who have connections and women who want to help nope and i liked to say that the key to your success is through the power of your network and i truly believe that that everything i have everything i've achieved has been through the incredible network of women who are around me and so if you haven't cultivated those relationships and they mean cultivate in the suit of most authentic loving sense so that would if you don't have that around you then i think is just very hottest exceed yet so once you had confirmed early on you know some me larger names. How did you gain momentum to get the attention so that people would attend the festival. How do you capture that an audience. I guess is what i'm asking so oh i mean now. It has this terminology around it but they call it sort of micro influences but it didn't you know there was no such thing then <hes> even influence influences was using a very different way. We're dating ourselves so so you know i think again it's about you know who the pockets of people who have influence within the circles and <hes> do they believe in what you're doing enough to this shadow with their circles and then they're circles show without the circles and they really believe in that grassroots approach and the reason i operate that ways that in my <hes> movie career that's how we promoted movies so i worked for studios by always worked on the indie side of things so i was always working on this sort of <hes> <hes> smaller budget more attorney driven content and so we didn't have the big budgets that the big studio would have as we considered spend spend masses on like big ads and and so it's so much more about chris cole support and word of mouth or that sort of grassroots stuff and so i really i have visit of deepen intrinsic understanding about human psyche and what makes people want to share things with other people and how you position things to different audience says and so i i think it's about undiscerning audience having a really good understanding of who they are and creating the materials and the language around that and then and tapping into all of your might co influences as well as the press and all the other stuff but i just think that that when you start to see the all the people he he you think who you admire who you think are interested interesting story all doing the same thing you know then you just follow. It's just human nature right raw all kaos rea- so what do you think not that you can boil this down but i'm curious to know what you see. What do women either in in business or as entrepreneurs or working in the corporate world. What are some of the biggest challenges you see that we are encountering and any advice to overcome that well i think with stock i think stock i mean obviously there are people who breakthrough but i would say overall as agenda i think west of stock in this holding pattern and i've just seen there are just so many organizations and networks rex and advocacy groups and everyone doing this work to move women forward and yet when you look at the stats like we're just serve hovering we just can't land the plane and i think was stock because because of the status quo at the top and it's just unchanging and until there is a karate shift in sort of the gender of the people in positions of power which is never gonna have that trickle down effect so there needs to be like a radical shift because it's otherwise all they do which is sort of half human nature is just kind of support other people who look like them and it's just natural for them to who want to do that is do you see like a like minded do then you just what helped the two just don't bob and you just don't necessarily relate relate to rebecca andean try but and so you know i just feel that more radical solutions a called for a nights strongly believing quotas and they know that it's very unpopular with some people but you know if you look at countries france and canada where they have quotas and norway and where they have women boards example has been a radical improvement in the percentage of women on corporate boards in those countries because of quotas coaches and i think that we've spent years waiting for the systems to do right by by women by people of color. It's just not happening which is stuck and so i think we have to forced the change. In once we force that change we have to allow for <hes> you know some generational shifts because often i remember toronto a buck said this meaning well where she was she spoke at the cannes lions and someone who was asking her about the fact that there are women who i'm superpower who still don't then sort of changed the you know the demographic makeup stop the workforce and she said it. It's two things like women can also be affected by patriarchy so we can also you know have had the same conditioning the mayor of act in the same way and so even though you know we've reached a position of ceo we still kind of allow the same assistance systems to continue and and so we need to have time to get comfortable and to evolve our thinking to change those systems but also you need the right women so it's not just about any woman at seic women want to go in and sort of radically shake things up and so and so i think that we need to both those things happen is more than at the top making those there's decisions and when you look again like countries in the nordic regions and you see in government in the bills that are discussed and like you know the issues that the at the forefront you know there are things like maternity leave and justice. You know other issues that affect women the workplace and so you know we do that naturally someone. Someone told me that henry ford was the creator of the modern you know nine to five a man and even that you know even if we shifted how we look at a workday yeah i know as a woman i have a drastically different idea for a modern workday yep ten to four would be great. You can take your kids to school. You can go to the gym. Maybe get some self karen there and be home to make dinner. If you like that sort of thing i mean it's just fascinating that it's everything that we know of is based on a man for a car factory. Absolutely i think you know i'm struggling right now. He's struggling like me to sister. September is a tough month yeah and i don't. I think people really appreciate that enough in the struggle you know when i dropped my kid off at eight hundred thousand. You have tons more children than ideas down to you. I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted. Just you know getting kenny him to school and then that that sort of you know to forty anti in time like what is that like who's not designed tilman. It's it is it's punishment and yet at the same time women you know if they leave the office because they i wanna see that case though because they want to spend time with kids penalized for it and so you know structurally the whole system in it was a disaster and i just don't think that you know even well meaning men and will think in the same way as we would about how we would start your lives in those positions right as you say the workplace as it stands was i was created by men and so we need some radical shifts in the way that we approach that totally so you went from being in fashion to working within the film industry and then you decided to shift gears and become an entrepreneur. Who did you have any moments at that point of like leaving. Maybe something that's safe and starting autumn my own. What was that feeling like. And how did you sort of say fuck it. I'm going forward. I'm going to do this. It was the most terrifying era find time with my life. You know i like to describe it as as always having been institutionalized i was so oh us too the pucks of working for fancy companies and you don't even realize just how much that has affected your your psyche until you leave all that behind. No one's paying for your uber's anymore. Nobody no i mean i used to be able to you know say this privileged privileged to kind of just if i was going on a trip i would just walk out the door on copy there and everything had been planned and they were i._t. People who've fixed computer and people travel companies and you know just sort of dis- basic structural things that allowed you to sort of move through your workday workday in the innovative comfortable manner and then suddenly you're on your own and sitting in the apple genius bar and it's you know it's it's just it's it's a radical shift. The big change for me actually was i hadn't realized just how much my my identity had been bound up in my job up so i was i've been i become so accustomed to saying. I'm defend paramount m._d. From universal they come d from these fancy companies and people would sort of respond you know in the right way and they would return my calls or just been nice to me and i just you know being nice to me because i was great great and and so you know that was different in a particularly because i was in l._a. At the time and l._a. Stephanie its own taste and people that are very transparent about their ambition and so they you know they want to know fairly quickly if you're going to be helpful or not and so so that they can move on and so i would just kind of anticipate that and almost hit of take myself out of the equation. It was like a very strange thing and so what i realized i was doing doing which is pointed out to me by fan was that i wasn't sort of owning my power and when people inquired about what i did i would answer in this. Should've he know half hearted shoulders hunt sort of i do this thing in the my voice with trail often because i just didn't feel important enough yet because my <unk> business wasn't successful and people hadn't heard of it and <hes> and so that took some time to get around <hes> and then suddenly i should've i found eh and and there was just such a change in the way that people responded to me you know when my shoulders but back in when i asserted myself and when i spoke with with confidence and when i made it sound great and people are attracted to things that sound exciting and things and so <hes> you know it was sort of subtle shift in my manner that really should have changed the way push might business made a huge impact. I always look for a firm handshake. If i get a wimpy one and i'm like ooh not for me so i would love to talk about career obstacles <hes> being an entrepreneur. I could tell you mine all day long <hes> <unk>. Everyone has them not only. Are you starting at as an entrepreneur earlier. You're a woman more specifically. You're a woman of color. What are some some of the challenges that you've had to navigate now that you that you you know full force go into being an entrepreneur money money money money money and did i mention money lots of money lots of money he no. It's a tough one and i encourage anyone who has daughters to teach them how to talk about money comfortably to ask for money to you know district be comfortable around that subject to understand it to understand that finances <hes> <hes>. I think it's the most important skill that we can give young women. There are lots of stats around the percents of women who don't negotiate ashamed salaries. Who don't you know who go into pitch meetings and doughnut. She asked for the money and so i'm i'm i'm. I've definitely have fooling into that bracket. I found it hard to ask the money. When i what's for companies. <hes> i find it difficult to sort of pitch and ask for money i can talk about my vision and my mission all day long <hes> but the asking for the money i've definitely always found hard and i've had sieve train myself solve an exercise that muscle. It's muscle yeah. It really is to improve that skill yup switching gears. There's a little bit what were some of the biggest lessons you've learned in creating this platform that supports and encourages women in business <hes> i think the biggest lesson is sort of goes back to the you know the network thing but just the importance of being an ally and having allies around you and and how important those allies were to me <hes> and how it's impossible to succeed without them and how important it is to sort of to to be that to other people and you know being an ally means making yourself uncomfortable. It's picking up the phone to call that person that you just like. We you know you really don't want to bother them like especially like non behalf of somebody else you know because it's like she'll contact and or hearing doing something in a conversation. That's just not right. You know that that you know maybe racist or sexist or in a way should just use your voice and and incorrect that situation like those sorts of things i think really important and how have you learned to do that. Till i get comfortable all with the discomfort. I'm still learning you know and it it depends on the situation and sometimes you know it's sometimes sometimes it's about saying the thing in front of everyone in the group. Sometimes it's about a private word <hes> sometimes it's just about giving yourself. That's sort of talking to like. Why don't you want to do that. Like what is it that sit of stopping you why yousef annoyed by that email that pessene that keeps asking whatever it is it's about sort of you know that self-awareness and then sort of tackling nine yourself and getting to know yourself better and being braver. I find and it easier actually <hes> to do this sort of public forums. It's so much easier like on in social you know speaking peaking at on a panel in public forums to sort of say the things. It's a little bit harder in a small group. I was with a friend recently who i don't want to be identified. Your friend mary from my mary. You know said something about the way she was raising her daughter. There was sort of related to grace and i thought that's wrong. We were in a group and i just thought i thought that was an appropriate to call her out in that group. I didn't want to embarrass her and i'm still figuring out like how to say. I need to say to her without her being offended but i also know that i need to say to her totally and so i'm working on that so i think it's about like it's it situation by situation but also just making himself brave and i what i do see is that most people can be brave in a public forum and unless brave privately with friends and you just made me realize that because all say just about anything in a public forum but i have a friend who comes to my house and expects to be waited on hand and foot by myself and my husband and clean up after her her. She doesn't even know that. I feel this way because i can't bring myself to be like i'm not your maid. This is not an in. You're not welcome here until you clean up your shit right so it's funny you say that yeah there there. It is so when you feel asked to help out another or you feel like you. You know you need to say something. Do you ever feel this burden knowing you want to help but it still feels like a burden to do it. And how do you sort of get through that or not it is. It's a burden mostly because it's a number of things right and so we know one is the i'm busy and so i'm just about getting through my own days and you know racing my kid and you know forget the marriage right who's that there is a husband somewhere in the background very understanding how yes yes so you know so. There's all of fatso. It's like you know i'm trying to deal with my own stuff and then there's sort of business relationships that you've built up over a period of time and sort of getting past you know not wanting to sit of rock relationships and for me i it depends on who's doing the asking and the nature of the relationship and you know and i just try and deal with everything on a case by case basis you know i tried to help everyone in some way if i can't do the thing maybe beat aware of them in another direction so i can't do this thing but i can help you in this other way because of what i do i get countless emails emails and approaches from young women who want to me. It's you know he want advice and again. That's a lot and so i've started trying to do this. Thing where like icon fridays is when. I'll just kind of try and follow up with those women and i have a friend who does office hours. She'll just meet above protecting his winning idea so i don't think i think that you have to sort of think about who you on what you're capable of like. Don't make sure that you know your strong and think about your own self care. I because you're no good to anyone if like you know you're not protected and safe and then you have to give you know deal with each thing on a case by case basis but <hes> you know it's important that we give and it's about the degree to which you can you can do what you do yeah totally so so one thing that frustrates me is the word empowerment which implies that we don't have our own power. It's given to you yet this you. This word is thrown around and used by every organization that wants to help us. Even sometimes i find myself saying it because of a lack of another word if you have the word that would be better than that. Let me know but what do you think we can do to change that idea. If you don't have the word i know it's a word you know way back when that i used to use a knife bandit i wouldn't use it anymore because 'cause i also think that <hes> it's a cop-out and allows companies to put sort of surface bomb on the situation like we're empowering during our women with this you know great women's day like that bullshit you know give me the pay-wise like gimme the promotion <hes> you know like give me the big contract like pay me. Those are the things that i want to see and i wanna see women put into positions of power a- and so yeah i don't use the word empowerment ever and so i you know i just use other variations around like more hotline things like gender gender equality and women's rights and those vast the vast array yeah yeah yeah i think i think empower has deaf has become a cop-out for so many companies and satisfy such is quite irritating to me because so many now sort of empowering ads and and then when you look behind the companies who are creating this content of you know creating those odds you know you see that they're not sort of walking the talk you know late sedona create these like super cool viral ads and then have no women on your board have no women in senior management. You know have no good sort of paid. Leave policies like i think that we should always look behind the company's doing this stuff totally so one thing. I like to ask everybody just because obviously there's what's google about. You is what something that we would be surprised is to know about you okay so i went to a convent. Wow <hes> like you went to college at a convent inventor. You just went to a guy went to a convent school high school okay. I don't know what you call it here but when i was junior school i don't know i don't really understand on the school thing but when i was going to school okay it was a convent run by nuns and that wasn't very nice. The nuns were mean nuns but there was a period during that time when i thought i wanted to be a nun and into that was that's interesting. That's very interesting. What you said nope not for me. You know i found the catholic church nice to just be very unforgiving and it just felt it was filled with rules and regulations that at the time i wouldn't have called it sort of agenda thing but now i realized that was what it was <hes> so even in the age of seven something didn't feel right to me and <hes> and so so you know so this i was very very young <hes> and so you know that went away but there was a time when i just thought that being a number of a good a good way to to help to help and to give back helping an incredible ways yeah so i feel like you've given great nuggets of advice throughout this interview but is there anything you'd like to leave our listeners listeners with as kind of what i hope they can take with on their day and change about their lives so i mean i guess you know what i've learned is is how to deal with rejection and <hes> and the bad times and i just think that especially as an entrepreneur <hes> well even just at any point like your life to second ebbs and flows and peaks and valleys and without sounding sort of trite with with every valley up you know there is a peak coming and you have to what i what i do is. I try and recover fast. I think his waiting important to like have you cry and then just go into solution mode and you know and so. I just think that <hes> it's important to just roll with the bad times knowing that good times are around the corner. I love that you know it's just served me well and and has just sort of kept me positive positive and motivated and as an entrepreneur you need that you need that sort of self motivation and so just knowing that you know there's something around. The corner really helps me totally. I feel like with us over indulge millennials. <hes> rejection can be hard. Sometimes it happens every day. It happens every day and <hes> <hes> you know. I don't take any it's not you. I mean you know i like there are people who email me who i forget to email back or in my draft sparks. My drafts box is horrendous. Everyone goes into draft so i can remember team modern back and then you know and so you just don't i know why <hes> so just you know learning how not that's nice and distinctive about where you where you're trying to get to and your own path rather offensive. Self flagellating is important so with your quick recoveries after you've been rejected. What is that healing process. Look like for you so for me. A problem shared is a problem haft so i'm not want to wallow by myself and <hes> and i just find that when you're sort of in the thick of an issue it's just very hard to sort of see out of the the fog and showing that with somebody eh who has an objective view of it can immediately sort of left you out of where you are and i have a you know. I encourage everyone at shea so i have a best friend who is my go-to on. These things like i think everyone should have that person who you can be completely vulnerable with with just with no artifice. I just lay it all out there. Who really knows you and who loves him. Respects you and and and you know and seige potential and is there for you regardless so that you can sort of you know just kind of go there with that person and so i have that person and so i can just go and say like this really shitty thing happened. She's like well but you know that you always do this thing and she just gonna can immediately see and i can see it for her to and so for me. It's about sharing yeah and then immediately going into solution mode so what went wrong. What do i need to do do next and i just think the as soon as you start doing that you you'll just slowly lift yourself out of it and everyone takes his all different amounts of time and you know it's it's just it's the nature of my personality to do that. I know the father people. You know it can be a harder process but i just always encourage people not to go through anything by themselves if they can agreed. I always like to air this with someone who am close to but that's in a certain not even a similar business is but a similar level. I guess if it's businesses yes right because it's one thing to share it with your friend. Who is a stay at home. Mom and she has no idea what you're talking about but i usually find someone who's like c._e._o. Or just whatever in in my network like lemme vomit on you. What do i do yeah. I mean it has to be someone whose opinion you trust in value and respect <hes> from a professional standpoint so you know so. They need to be on your level. Yeah yeah nothing against no one. That's not no no but that's my little warning but it's just. I think that you know for most of us. You know we're trying to sort of walk through life seeming to have it together and so it can be harder to go there with someone who's not on your level totally and and so. I just think that when it's someone who gets it who's at the same place. It's just easier to be more honest with someone who's up and coming here. You're you're sort of trying to be a mental into together with. It's just different yeah. You don't want to vomit all over someone. That's still excited about starting exactly this is. It's coming your way to suck it up. D poku thank you so much. I love this thank you that was deep poku. If you wanna know more about her you can follow her at diphu today our views from n. y. I. phone gal. All i knew about rebecca before listening was that she had founded a clothing company. That's about it. I've since become a total fan because our guests have been great and the topics interesting her down to the earth honest approach to asking questions and sharing her own experience come across as super relatable even though she's a millionaire founder i wish i wish i was a millionaire founder. That'd it'd be awesome. 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Side Effects of Hair (with Dickey)

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1:14:55 hr | 1 year ago

Side Effects of Hair (with Dickey)

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Everyone who's weather audible and the book because you are a special kind of fan. Let's get into the show smile. So funky I welcome to another episode of small doses. Now you know lousy episode very heavy. I was talking about side. Effects of being an empath. Cry Laughed but only for a short amount of time And I feel like a lot of people really connected with this episode due to my DM's it looks like people really learned a lot and connected and that was really dope. But I wanted to loosen things up and what better way to loosen things up. Then with today's guest the natural hairstyles extraordinaire and Maverick. I should say as well as founder of New York natural hair staple salon and brand hair rules. Mr Anthony Grandfather no people. I'm dealing with one of the most ridiculous humans known to man right here Dickie and I connect because we are both somehow oddly silly and serious very serious but very silly in like extreme intense amount was the amount of thoughts and sentences that we try to put together. They don't always match up so you take your time and it's just like but guess what this this because there's so much there's so much and you have an. I don't so that's how we work well together because I'm like that's it that's it I that's it So I met Dickey when I was shooting the pilot for a show called hip hop. Pov TV the executive producer was tiffany. Lia Williams me by the way you scared me and I will tell you the story. Yes your presence. God we go into here. We'll salon dicky comes over dicky's like hello. Hello Hello I'm never been a salon girl. I've never been there so it was very like. Oh my God. I don't even know how to carry myself. And you're Dicky what he does when he does consultation. He says in front of the mirror he puts his hands in your hair. He talks to you. He rubs SCALP. He asked you questions he very much like. Makes you feel comfortable about not only where you are but about like his knowledge and he wants to understand what you about your hair about taking care of your hair etc so I do nothing so in that moment I felt very like ou embarrassed so ticky is also very good at what we got you. This is a safe space. All the people in the air capable and we got you. He told me we're GONNA do is I had like blond highlights and he was like this won't do we're going to give you a blonde halo around your crown to lighten you up to lighten your energy up which is slightly offensive. Then he said we're going to give you lowlights and highlights. I didn't even know there was a gradient. Okay so Catania get to it so sets forth on this journey with me so what happens. Is You get your color then? Go sit indicates chair and he gives you a cut now again. I am very like not savvy about this process so I'm not used to my hair being cut or being dealt with etc so my hair has split ends things going on dickey guys my hair and when I turn around I have a very small Africa. But that's what you saw. That's what I saw what you saw. I cry now. You should also know that I have for crying. Thanks for telling me. My mother went through this when she told me to get my haircut in tenth grade and I said I like a line like to my shoulder okay line. It was a move when she cut it to my Chin and it was like. That's not what I asked for and driving home like I was crying about it and going about it so much that at a red light. My mom turned me and said I will drive into this and I said do it because at that point my hair was so bad. It's like whatever I got to go to school on Monday or lake smart ass so I just remember feeling so panicked. I hated you I was like I love when women share pletcher after the fact because these things that are shared with me in the chair I get that because we you know we don't share them for me. 'cause we respect you but we respect you and it's your shop. It's you know what I mean like. It's intimidating and also I was there for work. The member like tiffany brought me. They're like as a makeover before we did a show. So I felt like I was being ungrateful to not Be Legs at happy. Yup I went in. I went to the stairwell. They have like a stairs and cab to Harlem so my hair started to grow out though and then you were assigned so then the show got picked up five minutes later and you were the hairstylist on the show. Don't remember I I remember that. Don't remember your account just now. Okay what we what we remember what we choose what? That's I know I was just coming. I was the face coming through. All right whatever so I could totally see that but for me it's like. Oh my God I'm going to here with Dickie and here is all thing so when we get to MTV. You're the Silas you had Another Silas was named not mentioned. And and you all were working with us on the day to day and I just started to get more comfortable because you gave me knowledge about my hair and me being just me being the negative. I am my comfort. Level lies and information like inconsistency so the two things that make me feel comfortable information consistency. And you just like made me no more about my hair about what what it can do about this whole like natural hair thing and I think that women really like your clients are not people that just like come to your shop like you have people that show up and you have people that have grown up at your shop. I have grown up at Harrell's 'cause that was two thousand twelve. That's why you act like that when you come yes okay no. I totally makes sense now. You know men DART. We're real basic so you don't take down the hole but it's funny you find these things out afterwards as like. Why is she acting like that? How are you know like you? You are really comfortable in the fact that she's jumping around and she's making other people nervous she's not me but I'm like leave her alone and so are being the way she right but half of it is listening. And I'm I'm that Nigga I will fight you if you fuck my hair up. I don't want no problems as I know how far ago but I know that ninety percent of it is listening and people just want to be heard. And if you're not and if they don't feel like they're being heard not only. Are They not going to trust you? But you're not going to really get the right information because ally the right and hairdressers are known for lie for lying. It's a very gimmick driven industry. Which is why when you go to hair shows half of that shit that you see it. A hair show ain't no client going to ever walk out there out of this long looking like that so hairdressers. Because their lack of knowledge in half of the textures within the texture spectrum they weren't given any information on so the the the even the term kinky curly. There's no mention of the word Kinky or curly in any textbook across the globe for any hairstylists who wanted to go to school to get a license to do hair. Your taxes not mentioned. That's GONNA cost problems. Yeah so hairdressers loved alliance. Say They can do some shit when in fact all you're doing is just being dishonest. And she's not even if you don't know remember Tupperware Mary. Kay Yes are you gotta do is tell. Just take your client by the hand but about what you don't know and and have a Q. and a. How have have a hair have a natural air. Meet up and talk about your. That's why they were so huge back in the early two thousands natural hair meet ups because women had found the worldwide web not the industry professionals because the consumers much smarter than the professional no professionals know what they know what they know and they're the baddest AD and they and they make the they've they've made a lot of money off of using your hair as an anchor for other hairstyles and or yes chemicals. That you're you did you. Had you know that whole term? I go get my hair did. That's the term. Yeah it just means that you got your hair. Did nobody talk to you about it now. Thirty years later. You can't figure out why you don't hear and you went through menopause. I so you you weren't even able to see how your health or your age did some changes because of this thing that popped up every four to six weeks and you were like you told you thought it was bad or ugly. So there's just this whole experience or lack thereof for myths and mockery surrounding women and their natural hair texture that cause women to walk in the Salon and want to Want someone to give them information. Yes right out. La I'm here in l. a. Now right Doing a kind of natural hair out is not like it is in New York DC. It's interesting because you know I hate to use the word Transplant or or migration black folks fled the south care to to to La so black people. Here they don't get relaxers they can do some country ask presses. Oh yes but there's a lot of us is what fucked me up. Remember that yes so as I'm looking at your hair preserved in its beautiful self. Because she was like no. You can't do that to my hair literally. I didn't know better And I just got my hair colored and it was the first time that I had someone else. Color my hair outside of hair rules since I started going to your salon so but they were referred by you so I was like fine but I did a show the next day and the girl who did my hair. She pressed my hair to the God. God's but because I had just gotten it colored I didn't realize that the two can be a lethal combination and the next week I did a photo shoot and typically I dislike cough and my hair curls. Okay so like I got. I got to the photo shoot just like spray. Some water on my hair like okay. It's time to get right. Am I. Here looks at me like bitch wears it was like genuinely like you know when cancer patients lose their hair talk about how jarring it is alopicia patients. They talk about how much it hurts. And if you've never gone through that it's hard to truly understand like what is because it feels like a tear superficial. I did not lose my hair but even just losing my curl like depressed. The Shit I right because you're used to seeing yourself a certain way and now it's just not and it's not by choice and I call Dickie in a fucking panic like I think reload no I definitely was teary eyed. And I was crying I was like I don't know what to do when you come to New York. I booked a flight that weekend came to New York and we gave his Jewish. But you're like you're GONNA have to back out and we were doing like I was doing Bigger it took a year to book by. Its back and now. I'm growing my blonde out so I can let my hair gets like a full natural organic base before I colored again. 'cause this hasn't been there since. I was thirty and you also you do. You're in You'RE IN TV now. Getting yeah and also the styles that you wear protective styles. So you don't have to beat it up anymore. What do you mean they protected thousands of a slick back? That's site is really because you're you're particularly for your hair you don't but he's on it right and they're great ponytails or great braves them long now. I wash my hair every night. And so those are those are those are styles that don't require you to have to like. I don't know if you remember there were just Several years ago when black folks coming up in the in in in Hollywood which is coming up just a few years ago where you were either you were. You had to wear a straight hair you had to wear. We've or have straight hair. I was told when I got an MTV. A friend of mine who you know you get advice from good people sometimes but he was like now that you're on TV right you need away and at some bullshit and we know that that doesn't really sell it was all bullshit and now you were left ball headed and fucked up because because who knew. I mean and also. I don't know if you remember. The Standard of beauty was not yours. A few years ago I went through an entire industry fashion and beauty industry and my life where the standard of beauty was blonde hair and blue eyes it was Christie Brinkley. Yes and it was beautiful but it was fucking boring and it's like and you knew particularly moving to New York from the West Coast and you know no disrespect. But I'm from Seattle and our idea. I moved from Seattle to Arizona to San Francisco and then to New York in eighty nine. And it wasn't until I got to New York in eighty nine. I was like Oh shit but prior to getting to New York I was like there are black people. There are white people. There are Mexicans in their Asian. But and that was the version that was diversity version. That was never diversion diversion because I had no fucking deal what the hell diversity was and then I got to New York and I was like Oh shit. Black people are from the islands. Wanted this red man. I'm proud I knew exactly what he was talking about. How come this? How come this does brother is speaking French right? How come Hey Dominicans Dominicans with asking me if I speak? I'm talking Spanish to me because I don't speak Spanish. And and and Dominicans are not Mexicans. No they're dominicans. Puerto Ricans and they're not Puerto Ricans and Hondurans and. Irish people are Irish people. They are not Italian and Jewish. People are not white people correct unless they decide to say so how in the Euro says how in the hell are you going to tell me glance? I looked like a white man. No come on. I've been told if you didn't know I've been told by a bunch of black folks who didn't walk in a room and says about negative and they looked at me like we will fuck you up and I looked at you like you do what you know what. I'm saying as you know soon as I open my mouth but not even just like recently. I met a white man whose essence screamed like. Are you a white man like when it comes to texture? How are you going to tell the people where there is? You've relegating people relegated people to to shop down the ethnic I'll or the non-ethnic ethnic I'll for your their entire lives and then to sell and what was the Mexican. I'll where's the Asian? I'll I mean hair texture. How do you tell me that I as a black man so my hair is not straight? I looked like a white man at by glance right and what I'm saying is that you know ethnicity particularly when you go to the Caribbean and you have you. Have you seen different than my daughters? Straight and wavy. Yeah so ethnicity does not define texture Sandia ethnicity. Your hair texture is not defined by your ethnicity so the whole concept of Indian. Mfn is relevant. And you might but you might. Not so what is it defined by its define by the fucking hair that grows out of your head? I don't fuck it now. I mean had there's many shades of people as we are as as many hair textures as our and some people have four one one hand. 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I repeat it because I want to fly. I ride on nobody. Tell me what to do piece so tell me this though. How do you feel about the foresee to be like that? I love it. Some people. Don't subscribe to it. I love it because where the women we. The people found their voice on the Internet through sharing stories. Remember those stories that weren't told in Hollywood. Were there started to be told on the Internet. The World Wide Web on chat rooms where women were like you know a girl. Mayer take saying ugly. You know a girl right you know when he told me by my hair texture. He told him I shit with bad ugly. And you know what? I'm actually does good girl. And so there was those stories where women started to share their experiences at the beginning of the natural hair movement. Because I think it started with I think it started with the takeover of a mid to late nineties with takeover of Remember all the supermodels were every. Supermodel was on every cover of every magazine in the late nineties. They started to be replaced by celebrities. Yes right you Christy. Turlington and Naomi was in July because estate could afford to put the lowest selling month. Where Black Girl Right? And so that's how it was and all of a sudden you realize that movie houses could get more bang for their Buck Record. Labels could get more bang for their buck for their artists by being put on the cover of a magazine and being featured and the the and now we can dive into the into into the life of a celebrity. And you can't dictate how Erica bye do comes at the table looking or Jill Scott. Right be and there. And there's there's some natural neil so bitches right and that is not an SP right. That is just not. They're selling units. Yeah that was still when people were going platinum and exactly it was a thing that they're selling units and magazines Realized that they could sell to. I can keep up my two point four million SM subscribers monthly by putting them. Because no one wants to see this model again for the last ten years In there was Naomi Tyra and occasional model but anyways I went black women started to see more images of themselves. Span it because of magazines. Now we look like it's too late because they're all going under because nobody's buys magazines but we're all over them now. We got in right before they got out when I was coming up like you're sitting next to a picture of me and my brother and me when I was twelve and I'm looking at my hair and I remember the hairstyle is. They're just being like shoes. She was a lovely person but I feel like she was always just like I don't know what to do with your hair right and I was just like a little black girl with natural hair and it was always a conversation about what to do with my hair because my mom was like what you not going to do is party sixty days and just put Baba's on the car today. It might go do her here. You're going to do are here. And so my mom would have to show her like put a braid across the front. You know ask you how long you stay in the beauty shop as a kid. Never a you didn't know my mom so my mom has hair like an Indian woman so my mom's hair used to be down to her ass. She's have long like gorgeous gorgeous hair and when she had me it was like is he gonna be her there like I can keep both so she cut it off. And she's kept a Bob. She's kept like It's pretty sure an eighties. Like pantsuit Bob for a long time. She looks like a ninety s black woman lawyer on the TV Sitcom so she's like really kept that aesthetic for this whole time and so with me though. My hair was very different than her hair so she didn't really know what to do with my hair for a long time. Either in terms of how to like care for it because I of course am surrounded by perms right and she's like well. I'm not doing that. I'M NOT PUTTING A permanent hair. But Allison was the fact that the front of your hair is your father unruly and not willing to communicate the front of your hair. You have to get the front of my hair same. It's the same length as the rest of the hair. But it's really looks like it's only two inches longer. Yes of course which is shorter. And you add texture. Is it for a couple of years now at Carrington we use on the edges? Now works now. What does yeah no? Because you've you've changed in that that little A new but it wasn't until I started going to you at like literally thirty one thirty two that I learn about what is unique about my hair and learned about like our hair needs. We need to talk about that. Was You talked about black women being afraid of moisture on? It's like it's it's four hundred years of reconditioning and water is a source of hydration. Like I don't have much of an education but I do re- I do remember in the sixth grade and Science Class About H. Two O. Water is a source of hydration cleanliness. Imagine if the scalp on your head imagine if the rest of the skin on your body was neglected like this cow on your home Danke. No I'm just saying you're right. Your skin is the largest organ on your body. Is Your Scalp not skin teacher right now? Right your scalp also produces oil. So why are you raising your scale? 'cause it's dry because I'm every black woman knows that they got here once a week as a little girl and all right if you got your hair wet you got the evil eye. Yes right because I can. What and so historically women of color have been relegated. Two thousand kept them away from water and got them from Shampoo Shampoo. Your right and the natural hair. This is not the first natural hair movement the first natural movements seventies right and that was more out of a struggle for civil rights and it landed on it had less to do about vanity more to do about pride and like how the enormity of one's Afro right and though and nobody had a lopsided or oppressed smashed up Afro. It was an Afro in fact is a protective style. Because you're strands are kept stretched out constantly and the the the the enthusiasm with one's pick or K. cutter back in the day. The you know they they they. They abandoned they abolish them in school because they thought we wanted to use them as weapons. My hair needs to be larger yet. And I need to pick the strands out and that's the real ideal the natural the the end you. Can Somebody argue through affirmative action? Right people of Color women particularly could move into corporate America in the eighty s and that was the first time we started hearing terms like hair loss and no edges relaxers became much more convenient and no woman who is now not only has gotten this education and is a wife. has kids as going out now into corporate America Right It's going to risk a Sunday. Press and sixty percent chance of rain and walk in these people's job and have their hair jacked up because there was a some type of and you know back back prior to this prior to the eighties there was black. Black women or black people were not trying to conform to an identity they were there was a pride to your. Afro and how you looked and oppressed. You're on you straighten your hair for a for a particular occasions. It wasn't to conform to an identity. You did it because black. People are actually some of the most conservative folk on the planet so we have no choice right and so for a special occasion or church. You got your hair pressed as nobody had heat-damaged Afros back in the day and now with this new natural hair movement because they're generations and or women who forgot about what care to the hair was you hear all of these women on the end and I don't use him. Don't use heat on my hair Well you haven't figured out your natural hair texture. You're bored with it. It you need to get a relaxer because some women are so team natural that they are willing to walk out the house looking crazy and and I'm not. I'm not saying that that that you don't deserve someone to help you. Fall in love with your hair and help you introduce reintroduce you to it but what I'm saying lack of Keno. It does not and oftentimes. Your hair is natural. Does not mean you have it. Should you should be looking uncapped on captor on cared for. And that doesn't mean that your hair texture is bad. It's the most beautiful. Dexter has the does the most my point is is that what did it look like when not to cut you at you. What does it look like when it is quote Unquote Looking uncared? For what are what are like dry unattended to an unattended to dry hair. That looks like it's been slept on is not natural hair. Do you remember that ad? There was an Asian and I think it was H. M. at earlier this year or last year that went viral because there was a young black girl featured in this was the most at the table on that board and so there were a lot of people that were like. Well she just looks like a young girl who didn't ever hair done and she just looks natural. Why's everyone up in arms? What was your stance on that? Her hair was hadn't been done and it had been cared for like that. There's a difference here. The undone a hair CA- UNCARED for kinky hair and I don't talk to women who have a natural of four texture that have kinky hair. I don't talk to them. Used language like curly. Because you don't have curly hair and that's not to say that you're kinky here is not as beautiful. Anybody has curly hair. And so because otherwise you get back into the conversation of good hair versus bad here. And there's no such thing. As good here only bad only bad weaves and wakes yes and bad hair care but that's half of it is that you know and a lot of times these now. These big manufacturers that have stolen a lot of terms from the natural hair community are now making products called car wash co wash. Is that something that you buy? It's something that you kind of like salvation. Can you explain why because you got to do something to be said? No I mean you. We saved okay so let me tell you. I thought CO washing meant. This bottle contains a shampoo and conditioner in one lies. Explained Co washing is something you do. It's let's break up the term Co Wash with Co Wash. What do think Hawash means you wash once a week. Let's just say you wash one Komi. In addition to Co Wash so you co- wash your hair. You Wash your hair once a week and Inbetween. You Co wash at the coast over conditioner. Oh my God no not at all. That's that's crazy. You're an educated woman. No that's what they tell you. That's what they sell you. That's where did it say that on the bottle. Where did it say that? I'll be right back conditioner wash. I just WanNa know you brought this bottle to me. I want to know where you said because you told me that co men were short for conditioner and I get that I I was like okay. Whatever some bullshit and so I want to know was co short conditioner. Would that mean to you because I wanNA know like for me? Understanding that Co wash is a call to action at some bullshit products. You miracle in a bottle that you buy. And that's the other thing. Remember as kind of the cart before the horse all these products came out prior to education as we spoke about in the beginning. Which was no-one having any idea what to do with half of the textures within the texture spectrum. But we know that they're the team. Natural chicken see wants products. So let's throw the. That same thing happened with her when she because we used to not have an aisle. We had desio shelf and some random drug store with all the usual. Greece's can I remember. Yeah if that way blue-green right and all these and how our our I'll expanded was they were like put the same shitting taller. Something else. Yes and that's all it was. Ooh Now we have a shampoo for relaxed here for color treaty here for dry hair that suds up. This set the first person to teach me that I cannot use shampoo that has alcohol in Zero lathering. Ultra moisturizing milk cleanser. So doesn't that sound like I. Shampoo conditioner the cleanser the cleanser. But where did that? Where did that descriptions say conditioner cleanser moisture say? I'm GonNa say it again. Zero lather. Ultra moisturizing milk cleanser. Sounds like something for your face. No no I just. I just answered the question please. Because united taking me down a rabbit hole no but that sounds like him. Yes it looks like conditioner because it's cream and for so long creek conditioner. Looks like cream? Shampoo has more of a marbly text like Marley colored. You it so let me show me like your shampoo. Amanda can't add that in the term so fay free all. They did another marketing term. That they stole from the Natcher. Sulfate free means that every shampoo that existed before sulfate free was the same sensing component in dishwashing liquid and they decided when the natural community came around. Let's take sulfate shampoos. Okay and the only two non said zinc cream shampoos. That were didn't have says was at the time was diva curl. Win and hair. Rules was the third back in two thousand seven but prior to that they every body says so faith free sulfate free only applies to shampoos. Have all they did was replaced them? With a nonsol- fate free agent and sentencing is still like putting gasoline on hair. That's naturally dryer that has no oil great for a flat. Flat Straight Greasy. Here what have you seen an ad of a white one would flat straight greasy hair. You have it all shampoos. That have says are great for her. They make flat straight greasy hair. Volume is your hair. Grows out of your head volume is. That's why from the tech our heroes tax spectrum. You have to show people the opposites of things so they can see why they feel this way or why they've been led to believe something. That's the only reason why I talk about. The only reason why ever talk about race is because it's that's that helps you to understand your. The Standard of beauty was not yours. It was hers and for Texture. It's easy to see like and I talked to any any educated. Ceo that will sit in my life where you have a corporate job and I'm like yeah. Okay that's okay but you hope that a woman is educated to know that she'll tell you of course. The Standard of beauty was hers. They're all agree and the perfect place to start for me when you talk about texture and you see that they're Asian women and white women. Were Flat Straight Greasy here on one end of the Texas back on the other end. It's everybody here. Yeah they're looking up. You're ready to read great same room but everybody. Yep It's it's interesting this whole texture paradigm and so you started. Harrell's I started here. We'll start this along with the line for no you know. I wrote the book hair rules in two thousand three and I had friends who had written books Kevin Kwan. Kevin Staff Sam fine. And they were very Celebrity Artists yes and I was a little bit of celebrity artists. I'm more fashion but you know I was like well. You know what I can write a book. I was raised to have a lot of confidence. Self confidence I read a book as well now. Available as reference. You in my. I'M GONNA have to check that out. I'm pretty sure that book at here. Rules and can I just give you a shout out real quick us? My show ever was that Harold my i. It was so don't Dickey opened up here rules for me and I will never ever ever in life forget you for that because you just didn't have to and what I loved about hair art and it was you that I was good but it was also like New York and something to make you forget that like is so New York it could feel like everything is she she foo foo and you still managed to keep your salon space feeling like this las bases that are in like more rural towns. Where like there's the barber shop and there's a line. This is a community. Space Salons are in our community there mom and pop their mom and pop industries. You forget now yeah and by you allow me to do my show there it it it. It really like extended that and my show was called Warrior. Girls in heroines. I spelled H. I. R. Away and you know like when when you're like why are you so comfortable year because I've lived life here right right right? It's just a line going yet another so I wrote the book hair roles and I bought a house at the same time and I you know with not having much of an education and very much interested in design. I thought the House was going to be wonderful but the book was going to destroy me and it was the opposite. The book was like I you know I can write a book. I'm going to just talk about what I know but I'm GonNa tell the truth about the industry. I have a perspective from what cosmetology taught me. From what the beauty industry in New York and all these beauty bibles from a lure to essence to glamour. Why they were telling. Women lies about their hair texture. Or not you know. The whole beauty appropriate it. Th- broach creation issue simply came. Because you can't call yourself a beauty Bible if you don't have images or content relevant to most of your readers black chicks read Lord so if why so therein lies the problem that we have a problem with you wearing braids when factual shouldn't have a problem with you wearing braids. Because you shouldn't have a problem with wearing a hair blonde and we wouldn't have an issue if you didn't see cultural culturally. How did they would`ve? How did they use culturally appropriate closing the appropriate? And it's just if the if the if the culture of the beauty culture was inclusive. We wouldn't have had that conversation right because that's not. I had the Daily News. Call me up while I was in San Francisco at hopefuls owner. There I was there forget while I was there for and the Daily News asked me about because someone had made a petition On move on Dot Org about Blues Blues hair and I wanted to I was like I. Can you let me call you back because I have some stuff in my hand? I got a coffee BUBBA. Well I said listen I said at least let me call you when I have two free hands so she finally called back and I said he was here. I am so what were you asking me about blue. Ivy's hair the baby blue. Ibm The baby and she couldn't have been more than two or three at the time. She was three which is a toddler. That's a baby like an actual ban. Those aren't children now. Those are babies. They're not enroll and I said you asking me so move on Dot. Org One woman did way. Whoa WHOA I said. Don't you think this is a little strange of you calling me up asking me about a baby's hair? If she was a little white blonde girl with straight hair. We wouldn't be having this conversation. This weird you don't think this is weird. You don't think that you're now in your Daily News. We're going to now start talking about a baby's hair that's awful. I says because we wouldn't we don't now we're talking about children like it just doesn't make sense but it continues the narrative of like this on the radio. I've just like making black children. Never have the opportunity to be children. It's crazy if we're start so you asked me about So I wrote the book and then I I was good. I was like Oh my God. The book was therapy for me. The house destroyed me. I wanted to leave New York and I didn't. I stayed and I realized I was bored and I realized that I can tell some things right on here. Oh yes okay so So there was a stuff I went to my first bonner brothers show in Atlanta and there was this stuff called bb curl and cream and these big crocodile Dundee. Black brothers had these horns coming out of their chairs. And like I just. I was amazed by them. And they had this stuff in a jar. And MY MIND. Guy Intel prior to here wolf was ninety eight percent white and I worked in white salons my entire life and my cousins would like you know tease me. 'cause like Oh you don't know nothing about these hot combs and Blah Blah Blah. You White folks here. I'm like whatever my my grandfather always said. All money was green money. So I get this stuff and I. It's an ajar. It smells like cake mix. It's smells delicious. I take it back and I put it on my Jewish clients with curly hair and it is fucking genius right and so I started doing. I don't know if I also told you that. I got fired from John Frieda because we did all the supermodels Cindy Crawford the Carolyn Murphy Brain Christy Turlington and I did all the black models at the time to Meco frazier. Who was the first like spokes model for maybe lean multi million dollar contract Kiara and I did all their hair and then the owners of John. Frieda wanted to wanted me to stop doing them for free and I said I'm sorry but we don't we do all the their white counterparts for free. So why would you tell me to do that? And so a week later. They fired me and to Mako was going to like you know go to Ford and at the time and I was like you know now's not the time but don't I don't want to draw attention to myself I'm good. There's always time for in your career to do these things and that didn't seem like it was the right time so at the time. I was doing these I was I was experimenting you know freelance hairdressers that don't work in this lawn and much more innovative because we we. We're expected to come up with things on a fly on a photo shoot. We have to think outside the box so I was that guy and I was like. Why don't we have to put the relax? Run THIS WAY. When I go. Why do we have to relax your hair and you know and and her off? Her hair fell out because she used to wear weaves and we started to go natural and all of a sudden it just didn't work and maybelline. We cut all our hair off. Lean still took her with no hair in all-natural which is amazing. All that to say is that I was finding out these other things about texture and like well. Maybe we don't have to relax the hair straight. Maybe we contextualising so that was working and I had heard that there are the other two women in Brooklyn that at this curve. Salon that we're using eighty glass curling cream this cream stuff in a bottle in a jar and and you know occasionally it would smell like fee. Something with smell like feet and I found out of the brother was used. The day was making it out of their bath. Tub and I was like there was no preservatives or anything anyway. All that to say about a year later missed Jesse's came out and they grandma made it and I was like ooh okay. Grandma was curve. And they'll be beating less county cream. Didn't okay and because I remember purple her And I worked at Lewis Licari on at the TAKESHIMAYA building on the fifteenth floor. All White Salon Ten Thousand Square feet and so all of a sudden I asked him I said can we can. We stop selling BBC at BBC. Glass girl and cream and sale. Miss Jesse's curly pudding and he said okay. Yeah and it was sixty dollars a jar and all of a sudden these women black women in full MTA. Uniforms came to an all-white Salon on this fifteenth sixteenth floor at the Takeshimaya building on fifty fifth avenue. Fifty four th street to buy this stuff for sixty dollars a jar and I was like. Oh Hey I'm Bamadoro product line and like a like one of my clients who was head of CW at the time which is cosmetic executive women. They have the academy award of beauty products every year. And was like when you wrote your book? Don't talk about just black once you talk about every hair texture and I was like well if I do it. Line of course what did I do? A line for every hair texture. I'm the consumer. I'm the one who walks. Down is trying to find products for every hair texture and a half to go to this. I offer that texture and that I'll for another texture I was like this is whack. And this is how segregated is industry is so for me here will was about every hair texture in starting with a hair care you know regardless of what texts you are. Everybody has to cleanse condition style finish. So that's kind of how it's broken up. Then after we launched. All anybody wanted to know was like well. Where's your salon and I hated salon. The Salon Culture was so ratchet. I didn't have to work there. I just worked in between jobs and waiting for a paycheck and it was like a good to clients and realize that my real passion was helping women rediscover their natural texture because that was when the natural hair moving was happening. And who knew that Black Women? Of course you knew that they were gonNA come out of the woodwork. Looking for information so from me was a it was really a responsible to launch a line. That was not just the that that that had to be it had to be based on education and helping women rediscover their natural hair texture and having a real experience for a woman who is looking for information because she was looking online but she couldn't find with professionals so that that's really where and I don't like salons still I still don't like them. There's a real ratchet culture and you know the industry's Change. The whole thing is gone and it's never enough. You know for your for Your Team. And it's you know it's across industries. I hear from women across industries that people have lost. Everybody wants to be an individual or not. That's not everybody wants to be a name. It's not about a team and something everybody is like. What what part. What part of this me. What part of this am I getting publicly? Acknowledged for like and it's like okay but you've been doing this for how long I've been sags nine thousand nine hundred so but you been in your head and entertainer for how long my life exactly. I've been doing here since one thousand nine hundred five legally right. I didn't get here alone without work. Absolutely and he's all right and I feel like that's okay. I hear what you're saying because he will show up like but I'm here now and everybody wants to be an instant star and I think that you know. There's a lot of depressed people on on instagram. Because they WANNA have already arrived. And it's like no that was just something to look at so considering that you hate. What made you decide? Because I've found my lane. My Lane always knew that there was a huge market in In Los Angeles for me because one. There's not a lot of relaxers women still love. Weaves and wigs and there were still going to be a woman who believed that you know what I had actually. They're bad and there has been doing this same to my hair that they was doing for the last twenty years and you know why is my hair thinned out and I'm I'm in You know you you. I think that women in eight Lee believe that. I think you know Deborah Lee told me a while ago after she we tr- helped her to transition into her natural hair and she fell in love with the and and I've had women cry and tell me what are they the. It's it's your your customers and people that affect you are the ones that give you the thumbs up but she said I found something that I fell in love with about myself and that is no small thing finding something in your life later on in life that you fall in love with is a beautiful thing. Some people don't ever get there and if it's a small is here you know hair texture and skin. Color run parallel. Historically people chose not to believe that their skin color was bad re- regardless of what they were towed in treat how they were treated and and and hair textures the same just now. They're signing laws called the Crown Act. So you can't be discriminated against. I mean twenty. Yeah Twenty twenty them in New York. Yes what are some stuff you would know? What are some crazy laws at a against people of color or just sitting out there and ran that we don't know that still exist? Do you know of any because this is one of them. Well the reality is. Is that the voting rights at can be reversed. If any time. It's not written. Yes it's not written into. Yeah it can be reversed. It's like it's an amendment so it gets voted on and ratified. But but it's it's not it's an amendment so like the truth of the matter is our constitution needs to be eradicated and completely drawn over again from scratch like they didn't happen for a while now. It's not going to happen unless this country has like a coup yes a major revolution for some type of catastrophic event that affects everybody absolutely regardless athle- transformers deceptive cons after descend from the from everywhere from like Nevada said New York City to fuck in the middle of Montana like it has to be like scorched earth. That's only right or or or there has to be a situation where the powers that be realized that they will make more money if they do. It does only as fruits preacher right now. We're talking about basics basics basics basics and when we talk about basics- what's I can about ever lane. You want to buy a t-shirt fifty dollars. If you know it's only seven dollars to make no no you wouldn't be basic with ever lane. You never overpay for quality. Clothes only makes premium essentials. What kind of essentials basic? That's right and premium using the finest materials without traditional markups. They want to know what you're paying for. 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They finally realized that black stories. We're make WHO'S GONNA make money in Hollywood. They're still but that's it's still a beautiful thing unless you know someone story and I hate complaining. I hate being a complainer about racism sexism. I'm like for me like you when you talk about like you know what you do. Is You build your entire your building and you've built an entire performance on your masters of African American Studies at Columbia University. That's a responsible. I am doing what I'm doing because I realized that there was some similar parallels in beauty like with it in like the related to civil rights was and why we're fighting for civil rights and that beauty was the last segregated industry as well and so like why not help women rediscover something beautiful about themselves through listening to their stories and that will tell you a lot and so you do a lot of play on your with your audience and it's based off of the culture and you're not stealing from the culture. You're doing things to how people think about things that they already knew but like Oh shit this is the truth. The ugly lies the intervene inconvenient truths. And you make fun the dirty part of it and that helps me. Beauty also helps us close relief to have conversations about things that are hard like when I realized that my black clients were having conversations with Michael White clients because they could talk about their hair and it allows for another part of conversation to have exactly. It's easier to talk about beauty than it is race but beauty can still bring you into the race conversation. That's what that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah and that's it's an easy. It's easy to digest. Well it's just an easier. Segway I mean is the same way that I use humor So I hear exactly what you're saying. I think Joaquin Phoenix and his speech. What was it with that award? Show Tabatha as the Baptist like my favorite part of his speech. Not only that was so spot on but his uncomfortable. He was so fucking uncomfortable. And that's all anybody is asking someone who doesn't understand my point of view fucking living me living my shit and be uncomfortable for A. That's the least you could do does it. That's it that's why the real I would love to be more light hearted in certain situations but sometimes the conversations just require a gravitas that makes people uncomfortable because they don't want to acknowledge that gravitas is a lava that is flowing beneath the surface very close to the surface whether you want to admit it or nine addressing it is bullshit bullshit and then and the reality is it's not just like white women who are upset at me like bringing these things to the surface it's also black women but the end of the day they really are dealing on a daily basis in ways that some people just don't even imagine and so we do stories on the show that I think a Lotta People Wanna just write off like. Oh that happened over there or that happened to them and there's a there's a Nice Koumba Bowl we can tie on this about this specific situation and I always feel the need to acknowledge like this situation is a pimple on the body of a fucked up nation. Yep like it's not just over there and you guys have enough points of views that you need because each one of you can be educated by the other and if you didn't and the your audience would just be getting your point of view or an attempt that happening a smile on my own show but I I enjoy and I enjoy having guests like you. Who come in and bring a different point of view because of obvious reasons but also just it it just broadens the mind the perspective and I think so much of us have become very become very Myopic in how we view our own experience and others experiences and I've gone through that too and that's like be like no that's your perspective but that's not hers or there's and their value to so let's hear it but I think this is really interesting because I never thought about beauty being a bridge in that way. I've noticed it because I do I. Do I do here to also make money and I need volume and the only way you can make money by doing. Here's volume and so I need to do at least fifteen to thirty clients a day and how you do that. What a great assistant. But you also have to It doing here is the easy part. It's the conversations and the consultation which is the most time consuming. Yeah take your time you have to and so somebody has to be doing here while that's happening and then I can come along and do something that takes all of five minutes and people. If you're keeping someone in the salon longer than an hour you're bullshitting them and you're wasting your disrespecting their time because it's not that difficult so the other part of that is that you you you get this. They come for an experience. Women come for an experience when they come to here so they come to Dicky and particularly in La. It's it's been interesting because have you noticed it in L. A. Every person that walks up to you to everybody looks familiar. I've seen these people before I thought it was just New York. But it's it's it's La. I just it's because the product line has been around for the last ten plus years back. It's back it's bag. Heroes bag here DOT COM. You got boxed you get some more stuff to honey. I just listen. Y'All I found so for a while. Air AIR RULES PRODUCTS. Had they were paused. And knows what. How would a small business goes to say in business? But I couldn't get the conditioner right and when I moved into this house I found a jar of the rationed that shit out. I was on an island with a jar of Marmalade for dinner and I was just mix it with Walter. Stuff mainers really right and you know what to be to be fair to assume I tried other things and it was like I have to. What do you? What do you think happened to me when there was no product right? I'd have the same problem. I tried every product junkie and I have no shame I will try every I have tried everything. I don't care conditioners yarn conditioner. I've used that was even remotely close to yours. Was what living proof really yes. I'm going to try Jennifer. Aniston is the spokesman. No I'm going to try and I've tried 'cause I'm sorry but can lit conditions. Do One thing there to soften any tangle your if it didn't leave your head I don't care if it's a deal had nanotechnology this that and the other eight nine dollars. Eighty nine ninety nine. If it didn't leave your hair soft. You didn't use it again. That's fax and I've done this. I've gone through this right. Listen if Cleveland style. Every woman has a hair product. Graveyard all of us have it. It could be a basket develop businesses out of graveyard really. This is a basket as drawer. It's a box and you're as big as yours. You're afraid to throw away because you're like maybe I could go back to it later but you end up going through all these things and when I moved I had like a cabinet and my assistant was like what is and I'm just scared to throw them away. I have to I. I Love I love. Tear Texture L. F. I love a product for hair texture. So I try. I buy things the same reasons why you buy things I go into the store I popped the seal off of things I picked it up because of what the label looked like. Yeah what it said it was GONNA do. Yeah I needed to smell it and oftentimes I dipped my finger in. I'm sorry but it just happens. Yep I'm that person. I washed my hair with Harrell's cleansing cream cleansing cream and the conditioner. It's the cleansing cream. The third one there was when diva curl and hair rolls back in two thousand six two thousand seven and it's the best one only because I like product to make product and develop it based off of what women want a product to smell like and I know the difference. I know that white women need with the different hair. Texture need a product to smell differently and to act Function differently than a black woman with thick curly or Kinky hair. Because they they're culturally. They smell product differently. A white woman. Don't want no fruity Bergamo. Stuff in her hair. She wants something clean and light because she needs volume cleanline- clean and that's not to say that a black woman doesn't but she needs something to fill like a better. Yeah I feel like a butter there you go. We want their Buttering this product is ever Shea. Butter is there cocoa nuts? Is there a whole bottle in here? Kanda nut oil. Some so I use those products to wash. Because you've always asking me like a man your hair regimen Then I put Moroccan oil mask on the front of my hair okay. That's all that works because it's so rich and and use it as a conditioner. Styling product styling product. So when I wear my apparently wait a minute. Oh styling also to wash. I use Zeros to wash washing collision back and doing your crazy dope s ponytail braid. It looks 'cause you know I don't do too. I have to hairstylist. I have my house at the Real Cheyenne. And then nicky got all right and they both of them and they don't. I don't even ask what they using but I know. 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Beri Smither: American Model

Art of Failure

27:07 min | 2 years ago

Beri Smither: American Model

"They can. Part of failure. I'm your host Steve Friedman. Thanks for tuning in. Yes. This is art of failure the podcast that explores what it means to fail as a human person. We all try so hard not to fail on a daily basis. And we also forget on a daily basis that failure is part of life, and that we can use failure as a catalyst for growth and movement towards bigger. And better things guys today, we have one of those awesome supermodels from the nineteen nineties berry Smith, very started modeling shoes. Seventeen and was sent to Paris where success follow she worked with fashion icons, such as Bruce Weber her Brits, Arthur Elgort, Michael Thompson. Steven Klein, Peter Lindbergh, and many more barriers appeared on the covers of and workman, countless magazines, including American British talian and French vogue as well as L Laurie. Claire glamour and caused. Politics in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight buried appeared in her first Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue, two thousand twelve appeared on E television, scouted mentoring young models, and she continues to mentor young folks getting into the fashion industry today. She is a working model, and she spoke to me about that career growing older and how she shot herself in the foot again. And again, listen up. It's so good to see you. Thank you so much doing this. Thanks for having me. Awesome. To have you here. How are you? I'm amazing realty grateful. That's the admiring the name of this podcast, especially our of failure. Because I just think that that's a powerful phrase Arte failure. I think there is art in it. I think there's art in the recovery from it. It's interesting is positive, and I think to use the word art, I think there's art in lots of things, and I was sort of brought up. No art is art art is Moller or Van Gogh or dealiest or Shakespeare. But nothing else is art that I fell in love with all these other things like sports, and the and all these other things and found art in them. So I think that there is art in failure. And the people that I'm talking to and you included successful people. How do we use failure? As a catalyst. How do we use failure to come back from get over? Deal with allow it to be there the duality of it. So anyway, Where'd you? Grow up, you grew up civic north west northwest. Beautiful. What was that like great? I was in the suburbs. Head grass. I you know, I had a great childhood. I mean, you know, a little bit of disruption when the divorce happened. All ten early failures for you like, do you? Remember some early things. Maybe maybe your parents. My mom considered getting pregnant eighteen not necessarily fell yer, but it wasn't spoken about their failures. And I don't remember hearing a lot about especially not for my dad. Okay. But yeah, I mean, every family has failures dark skeletons in the closet. Yeah. For sure. I would say, you know, what when I was twelve thirteen. I was big track are very into long jump and high jump, and and excelled, and I qualified for the national the national meat, and I went, and I did my poorest performance ever because of nerves I was super super nervous. And I gave my the worst jump ever placed thirteenth now at the end of your career. Not quite it's winding down because I became more interested in extracurricular activities, right? The teen different. Gotta Hijau different. Kinda high jump pie. Yeah. That happens at that age to to a lot of people. Yeah. Okay. And in a very young age, you were tapped to go to Paris and get the modeling can just talk a little bit about that the beginning of your modeling career. And what your feelings were about all that stuff as a kid. So yes, fifteen I was seventeen seventy so after high school I finished high school kind of tumultuous path of high school made it through and then all through my life people. It said you're so photogenic you should model. I had no academic ambition. So I just wanted to travel really wanted to see the world. So I said, you know, let me get this modeling shop. So I went to agency. And they said sure you could work agency in the Pacific actually well in Oregon. Yeah, they have agencies all these small cities looking for local girl next door. Well, there's local work to those local department stores as nineteen eighty nine different. But they still exist and these smaller markets, and so I started working, and then they. They said do you want to go to Paris? I have a scout this interested in new scout meaning agency there that's interested in you. And I went and I got out of Salem through modeling. Seventeen seventy to graduate high school. What was tumultuous about high school? Well, I other than the normal things that high school is go through right? Yeah. Yeah. Growing up is challenging sometimes you know, I'd like to drink like to experimental lot. So I took that path. And I I wrote it real hard long time and. Yeah. I think it wasn't so much high school was challenging I think just that period in my life was challenging so early. Eighteen nineteen people are paying you to do small gigs. Or is it is it just skyrocket from the beginning. Well. It was skyrocket from the beginning. I mean, I was blessed. I met the right people. We clicked it was off to the racist from them, and I was making money quickly. So when people before you started modeling said, you know, you've got this great low key shit. You could do this. How did you feel about your physical appearance before modeling started? It's funny. I would look at magazines and see Christy Turlington. I would compare myself and say I I could do that. But I was too frayed. Interesting. So it it fell into my lap kind of because my stepdad had connections. And so I just kind of said, yes. And then it turned out I seek it. Yeah. Yeah. So would you say that you had a good healthy image of your appearance? I don't think it's changed much from now to then. What is that? What is kidding kidding? I've grown and I've got more confident and accepting of myself. And I think then I was. Young. I just I just keep relating to filling young. I mean seventeen eighteen you're so young you really having done like the major comparing yourself to others yet. You might miss started. You haven't done like the my waist, isn't that small my late my thighs? It's fat my profile my, but is a bubble. I need a flat. But I need bigger boobs. I need whatever I say these things every morning, by the way. As a kid seventeen. I knew I wasn't like this bony girl, but it didn't affect me as much as maybe it would have like you're my twenties and thirties when I really wanted to change like when I wanted to change, but I couldn't because this is the body that God gave me. So it's like do the work to accept the body and treat it the best. You can like an athlete. Train's model is the same. I would always look at it. Like that. Like, it's my business. Just like an athlete trains for the race. I need to train for my business. Pure say started to get a healthier view toward it and also just an accepting view too. Because you can only go so far all this early success as a model skyrocketed, and but there's some early failures to can you talk about some of those of sure I mean, I was at the height of my career and. I was. So a lot of my life revolves around recovery from drugs and alcohol or good. And I mean, I was at the height of my career. And I was my life was being run by the substances. Not by my choices. I was not showing up for the third day of DKNY campaign with Peter Lindbergh. Well, I did show up my agent had to come get me. Duck my head and ice. Like, you definitely feel like a failure. When you're walking out at nine AM, new your apartment with your sunglasses on everyone's going to work and the kids are going to school to hear them, and you're going to get more drugs. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's definitely a failure. Walk. Walk for sure. Or, you know, some of the disgraceful things that we do under substance abuse that you know, we wouldn't do otherwise. 'cause we we didn't have choices if we're true addicts alcoholics. But even even DKNY thing the third you do make your Asia calls. They get buried to the set they get her and they dunker head on the ice. You go home that night, you probably still involved with substance. But there's no feeling of Morris or I I gotta get my shit together. Or I screwed up a fifteen thousand dollar shoot or whatever. Well, I mean, I've done that before where I've cancelled the day before and had to pay for the studio rental maybe a few of the people's day rates some of the props that's happened before. And what is what does that feel like? Believe it or not so weird. I I'm not connected to because like my agents would just take care of it. Of course, it was my money, but they would just take care of it. I mean, it's really that classic story of being enabled. And I was making money. It's not like I had a lot of time to sit and wallow. It's like shut so much to home with the substances you shut so much down. But I've had plenty of time to reflect back and say, I wonder what things would have been like if I was not actively using alcohol and drugs, but if it were meant to be that way, I believe in God. So I believe that somehow, someway, the powers that be sort of like knew that that's not what I could handle at that time. And I also believe that the story's not over the story is not over, you know, I mean, we're this is part of writing all of our stories sitting here at this table right now if you go back and you connect the track me and soon after the track meet you start to with the substances and living a little bit wild. And then it sort of gets you. It gets you to this twenty years of recovery, which is remarkable. And it's definitely a freedom. But what you get is this big full life from that from that failure. And if the end game is to help other people being sober is definitely. The pathway to to be conscious to do that. So just it just a little deeper dive on one or two actual failures that you can think of you didn't get a cover or you've got kicked out of thing or you're not the girl anymore failure in relationships. I'm single I'm forty seven. I could get all caught up about that. And that's a failure. But I'm not going to do that. I choose not to do that. Right. I mean learn from it are things that failed. It you're saying it's a choice. You choose not to choose not to go there. And I think that's a hard thing for young people to when the failure happens. Proceed failure happens. There's no choice. I can't believe this thing happened to me. And that there's a choice that you have at that moment. Yeah. I mean, there's the time when due to Michael hall behavior, I was a cover try for big magazine, and I showed up and I did the job. But. I'm ninety nine percent. Sure. That I was not chosen for the cover because of the state that I arrived in upsetting. But again gonna like hang on that. No. I think I'm gonna keep it moving. Do you think there are people who get information like that? And don't recover from that. I think if they do if they have a propensity to sway to the negative. I think they have to work really hard at it. Right. A lot of work to to come back and keep keep moving. Don't let it define us. You need to read a book. Thank you ever told you that before I my whole career. I've been told this too seriously, my whole career, let's take a moment. Here message from our sponsor for today's episode. Do you suffer from foam? Oh, now, there's new mo- foam. Oh, mo- foam. Oh, help you channel your anger for the failure of missing out Momo has two layers. The first layer helps you feel the anger and the second layer helps you gently forget the event you missed by using time release mini epinephrine bloggers called Nanno AP's. Do not driver operate heavy machinery with Momo such as backhoes clam-diggers and firehoses. Don't take nursing or pregnant or if you have ever nursed, call your doctor right away. If you feel like he or she is missing out on something or just missing mo- foam. Oh, let go of the fear of missing out. Welcome back to berry smoother and art a failure. You know, I think that the images I know we'll go back to the career for a second. But today with Instagram Facebook, social media, and these carefully curated images that we all have. What do you say to young women about body image internal image when they feel like they're failing compared to the rest of the world. I mean, you said that I don't have that experience. I mean, I totally do it's coveting. It's like you're covering something. You don't have. So whether that be a family scenario or seen or a house or someone small waist or someone's husband or someone's wife, you know, see scenarios fantasies. Well, it's images that we're seeing. I don't know if it's fantasies. I mean, everyone likes to what you see on the outside. But how do you know? It's like that on the inside for those people like don't always just go right to the it's fake because it might not be fake. And so what it's like let the people live their lives. My my solution around all that is to not look at it that much. Media. Yeah. To be quite honest. That's healthy. And what I would say to kids around it is. I mean, I look at my nieces six nieces and one nephew all ages twenty four and under. So they are, you know, right with social media, culture and. I think that I mean, there's all these studies. It's it's making us worse or you because we are never quiet. We're never detached to. We're never wondering or imagining. We're not training. Our brain to read like books where we're just you know, it's like a video game. We're constantly in this video game or watching a video flashes flashes. Flushes flushes, but at the same time, okay, we can sale this. And like, everyone does you hear a million commentaries on this kind of thing? It is what it is. It's two thousand nineteen. Nothing's changing. This is the culture. So it's like, I think the young people need to learn to manage it. I mean, I try to manage it do next your bed for you. Go to sleep. Yeah. I try not to. Yeah. I do. I don't have a watcher alarm clock by design. Laziness. You know, it's interesting Justice morning. I saw this report about Giselle who I guess is this book coming out about her panic attacks and her suicidal thoughts about deploying yourself balcony, somewhere Kabo or something and. This is why I think that this podcast is important is talking to successful people. And here you have Zell here have you at the top of your game. And and yet we feel these feelings we feel like a failure. Because we have this depression or suicidal thoughts, and it's it's still very much covered up and swept under the rug. And I think again shining light on it and talking about it. How do we get through this? How do we get past these failures? I think is a super important thing. I mean, it's hopefully what we learned from our parents if they had the sensitive. It's like you pick your bootstraps up and you keep moving it's always in your business in Hollywood fashion aging. I think can be seen as failure age out. I know it's definitely not as bad as it used to be. Well, I don't even think it's that. I mean, I was just telling one of my other friends Chander who is a model, and we came up together. I was just telling her like, it's interesting. Do you feel like you're not looked out on the street as much anymore? That's nothing to do with modeling. This is just a person eight. Yeah. This is the human right? I mean, you I don't know this everything. Yes. You to everyone does it's different. There's not that you feel invisible. But it's just it's just different not, I don't believe aging failure. I think it's being celebrated and glorified now because they need going along with normal size models. Not all these. He's very thin girls tapping into reality the customer the real world, you know, eighty percent is not that fantasy size. So they had to sort of raise the bar like higher normal sized people. I think it's amazing. I love it and the aging thing it's I mean, the boomers need product. So we sell to the boomers and older the baby boomers and the boomers ain't young the, you know, the mooners my mom, so I feel like the advertising in the economy has again, raise the bar to them in a way because that's our customer. You know, fashion is become a small niche, the true fashion is more of to me. I've you as a complete art very very expensive. Art, I feel like things are getting Hutcheon is a little bit to fashion runway shows designs in the nineties when I was doing the most of my work, the fashion work. It was there was a prestige about it. But there was no social media and internet was just starting. So. Models transcended editorial the high fashion in the commercial now, it's it's it's more categorized. You've been through a lot of changes in this business. Well, yeah, I mean, the whole nineties I think it was the last era of the like bona fide supermodels, right? It was K is included in that Kate moss. Naomi Campbell, Christy Turlington. Well, really who it was was Naomi Campbell, Christy. Turlington Linda, Evangelista and. I think again, what shifted everything. Oh, no. This is what she that everything magazines and beauty campaigns decided to start using celebrities on every cover of every magazine. This was the major major shift toward the late nineties movie stars. Yes. And they started doing selling the perfumes the make up and they're on a cover of everything in. There was no place for the supermodels. And because they sold the Mazey's better. Clearly, there were some weird shift that happened 'cause they had a blockbuster film out on the cover of vogue now that magazine sold better. Apparently when they wanna keep kept doing it. So got to the point where you go to the newsstand, and there was no models celebrities and the shift really started happening, then and I think that also fed into this idea of beauty beauty is within. I of the beholder because actresses are pretty but the supermodels like a freak of nature their beauties weird. It's so beautiful. It's weird. Right. I think that the celebrities coming in. We're not as pretty but they were being made up. They had the best glam teams. They were beautiful on these covers in China. I think that that then also filtered into beauty is many different things, you know. And then coupled with social media everything shifted because then you have people have their own platform to get a million followers that we don't even know you, and I probably twenty people that we have no idea who they are who have a million followers more than twenty. We have no idea and all the sudden people could be their own boss, and, you know, be their own PR agents through all this social media. And and again that whole term of influencers came and branding for expert like. I'm just talking about the shifts because then also advertisers wanted to see people that were brand experts. So they didn't want a pretty model to sell that blow dryer they wanted the the celebrity hairstylist to. So that blow dryer, you know, and sort of started diluting, the whole supermodel thing and it fell off. And then in my opinion, what ended up happening is everyone started focusing on Victoria secret as like the supermodel platform, which before that was a little section of it. But the Munis fashions a high, you know, it's. Costume talent. I mean, these people that are producing this is incredibly talented. But did you just different? Did you not gallons? It's g-strings. Okay. Did you regret the movie stars? Who are on the covers of? Oh. And I was a little angry about that. I was like they're stealing our platform. Yeah. I was the shift is everywhere. Yeah. But it also helps with this democratization where the average person you get a millions followers on if I don't mean average person, but he's about marketing and social media and how you handle that. Now, you do that. Yeah. It's not so much about your interaction with your followers, and all these crazy things. So you still do magazine stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I do a lot of advertising commercial work. Catalogs dot com. What about the gig economy? You know, we're both freelance you have downtime sometimes. Yes. And that brings up feelings for me. I'm not punching a clock. How do you deal with that? I call my agents harping on them. I get a screen shot for the next two months to see if there's anything on my schedule in my chart, so I have some hope and also so I have some reality. It's a reality. Check. But I've done this for so long have done this for over twenty five years I've been freelance. So it's just kind of in my my being I don't stress too much about it. No, it's comedy cycles at this point in time. If you had a second chance at life, and I literally have because the other path almost did kill me, and I've gained some wisdom and been able to by the grace of God secure myself a little bit with finances. So if in fact things are going to turn that way, they're going to turn that way. But I don't really have fear about it. Because like I've today so I can do something else that I'm not gonna starve because I've made some discipline around my finances how much she think fear plays a part of how we deal with failure. I think it plays a big part because we care about what people think and we care about how we look. So what do you say to a fifteen year old boy or girl who's feeling like they failed for whatever reason? And now, what do you say to them never give up and don't let this define you. And don't give so much power. Because if you if you let the kids let fifteen year old they're speaking of. Goes for everyone. But if we let a failure. I mean, okay, let it take the wind out of your sales for like a week. Okay. But seven days bring yourself back up and try again, or and also learn from it, maybe you were seeking something that you're not cut out to do accept it. You gotta give it has given us each talents and abilities as strive with those, you know, and it doesn't mean that those are going to be easy to achieve. But you know, like learn I mean can't we learn from our failures. I think that's huge. I love the learn from our failures give it a week. Well on a big person fill your feelings, feel it process it deal with it. Because otherwise it's gonna come out gain twenty pounds lose twenty pounds drinks tequila getting a car wreck. It's like deal with deal with it feel like cry about it getting. Angry about it. But I think learn from it. I mean, it's just it's just like I said, I don't think it's a an end to anything. I don't think I think it's a beginning. It's a beginning failures beginning you tried. We have to try. I think it's easier. I think it definitely. And I wanna hear your thoughts on this. I think it gets easier as we age when quote unquote, failure happens. That's why I think there's no magic bullet to say to an adolescent. Here's what you do with your failure pickers off up give it seven days. Right. It's true and taking it back up, and we as a dealt have that feeling I had that visceral reaction to what I perceived as a failure. But I also have other things that kick in that helped me get through that moment, and that's harder for for young people for it is for people to turn that around like that. It's their world. Yeah. I think like is giving them examples of famous successful people. I'm sure you have some from doing this podcast that have had tremendous failure. But nothing stopped them. That's a good way to end it. Thank you so much Barry doing this. Really? Appreciate it. Thank you. Hey, thanks so much for listening to art of failure. I hope you'll join us again special. Thanks to cale fuss. -ment Sally Sanborn Noah Samborn Friedman Musi Friedman, my agents at CESD, Anita Billy, Donna and Sam John MaGee and maranda Schaefer, Joanna Pinto. My mom, sunny sisters, Marci Michelle who witnessed many early failures. Thanks, Barry Friedman, so much for our music and special. Thanks to everyone out there who is experienced failure at keeps moving forward. That's what we need to do. Let's remember that Winston Churchill defines success as the ability to move from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm staying through Ciaston, keep moving and I'll see next time. Thanks for listening.

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Episode #32: Articles of Interest

The Pod Spotter

58:03 min | Last month

Episode #32: Articles of Interest

"The we're making fun of the bbc which we used to be like their leader is four years old. I don't know where that sing song. That's it for now. Time will tell. That's where i'm mutating. The bbc early every a conversation. Time that and so much more coming right up on today's episode of the pods. You're listening to yet. Another riveting conversation on the pon spotter. You lucky dog. Have you Have you seen the number of podcasts. Out there okay. Don't don't even look. Just meet me here every monday off a brand new podcast for you to slip on triumph for you. Drive it off the lot and hopefully you find The compensation useful or entertaining. Hope it inspires you and if it does tell people to subscribe to our pod. Word of mouth really helps Visit the pods butter dot com and on facebook twitter and instagram at the pot spotter for extra content and info on upcoming shows. Thank you l. twitter real pleasure. I started screening hundreds of podcasts. You all have at least one item that article of clothing tuck deep in the closet. You'll absolutely never wear again get can't seem to throw away for many. It's a wedding dress for others. An old shirt. You met someone special in for me to t shirt with eagles shoulders that i wore once because i was ridiculed incessantly for the entire evening but i loved it and it remains because it serves as a record of a specific time and place and that's fashion is a record of what was fashionable to you and to society as whole a record of the fashion of the past. Two years will reveal the great. Pajama boom joggers. Lounge wear our king but if the roaring twenties of the previous century or any indication the next ten years we'll see a fashion transformation the likes of which we haven't seen in over a century coming off the heels of the previous pandemic dress has got shorter corsets discarded and evening was bedazzled with sequence to understand why we look at the historical context of the times. Not only was the spanish flu wrapping up but world war one had ended and more women than ever were entering the workforce. They saw a comfortable lifestyle and fashion. That reflected the ushering in of the new modern age. Why we wear the things we wear have deep roots in history. Fashion doesn't exist in a vacuum everything in the design. World has purpose and influence. at least. That's what i learned this week from avery. Truffle men host of the podcast articles of interest twelve part series about what we wear in why we wear it in each episode. Avery tackles the historical context behind everything from hawaiian shirts to pockets to your favorite pair of blue jeans each episode woven delicately into the next like the colorful tartan of scottish scottish kilt. Yes she she covers kilts to by the way articles of interest at face value is theme based storytelling. But as you examine the craftsmanship closer. You'll realize that each episode fits perfectly to create a one of a kind on samba. Remove any one episode in the entire outfit crumbles articles of interest was named the best podcast of the year by bbc curbed globe. Mail la new york magazine. This is too many. This is too many but listen. If you are still not convinced a subscribe. I suppose you can stick around for my chat with avery truffle. Man thank you for being here every and thank you for sharing the pod with us today are you. Oh my god. What a gorgeous introduction. Having such a bad day and i totally needed that that was beautiful. Thank you saw some sweet well. It's all from you. It's all it's everything i learned from week of binging your pot. I'm wearing a nice vest today and spirit of Spirit of your podcast. i hurt. I didn't even know that was the goodness. Why don't we start with an introduction though avery. How do you introduce yourself at fashion week. Oh god well. I my name is rachel man. I am a podcast. I'm currently at the cut. A new york magazine and for the last seven years of my life. I worked for the design and architecture. Podcast ninety nine percent invisible which is where i made. Articles of interest and Articles of interest is is your baby you wrote produced to the whole thing. Is that right. Yeah yeah it was really. I mean truly like a one man band. I mean i was very generously supported by my former boss. You know. I was more or less traveling around the world with a backpack in a microphone. Just talking to as many people as i possibly could. And then my. My friend and collaborator royal makes the music. And i would work with them on creating a soundtrack that fits and then i would place the music and i mean i had Definitely like the team at ninety nine percent invisible would lend their ears and give notes and help with mastering and mixing from sheriff jozef but other than that it was just like my child was totally my baby. How do you describe your baby to people who haven't yet listen to it. Well i always thought of it as a fashion show for non fashion people. Because i am not. I was not now. I am a fashion person. After doing me to of episodes before that i was not a fashion person and i think a lot of it came from working for ninety nine percent invisible which is all about the design and intention of built environments spent years learning about manhole covers and fire escapes and concrete. And just like the things. All around our world and i was like clothing is a part of this. It's not the separate zulu world. It's a choice. We're making every single day to think that clothing doesn't touch us or it's like fashion is not a part of our world is misogyny. Just not true. You know we all have to engage a bit even the people who don't think they do. Even the people like me who are like no. I'm just going to throw in henley doesn't matter no i. I'm actually making a conscious decision. I'm thinking about it. That was made by someone. It was deliberate totally even as you said. Yeah like when you when. You're just gonna wear my pajamas today. I'm just gonna wear my sweats today. That's a choice he made you know every not making a choice. It's all fashion. Yeah people don't realize it's fantasy is always this thing that you have to work extra hard silk. No-one dresses like a king anymore. How you make money doesn't really make money. loves there. Lots of things that we take for granted that would have considered luxuries destined to be on the show in one form or other. We were gonna have you on either. You're you're involved in so many podcasts. We love nice try here also love your utopia folks check that out. Also but i mean ninety nine percent visible like you said it's an institution i top. That's royalty these parts so just Being associated with the is obviously awesome. What did roman mars. What does he promote that. That has created influence. Some of the best podcasts that we have out there. I don't even know where to begin with. I mean he taught me everything but he took me under his wing as a twenty two year old intern and he literally kick started my career. Someone asked me like what's lesson you learn from roman mars. I was like a lesson. I don't know i everything i know. I know from him. But i think fundamentally the reason he's impacted so many people i think it really comes down to respect. He really respects the listener. He's like you are smart. You can handle this. I'm not gonna dumb this down for you. You're you're roman really was one of the pioneers of podcasting that he was like you selected this program. You want to be here. And i'm going to talk to you like you chose like you chose this. You wanna get nerdy like we're gonna get nerdy. But i think roman was one of the first people to really talk to Extremely niche academics and architects and designers. Like a human and he always talked about the show is like a design column is like it's very important that we also have an opinion in a perspective facts and i think that also shaped a lot of the way i make stories and along the way many other people kind of in the children of roman mars category make stories. I want to play The vivienne westwood quote. That you play on your pod that led to you choosing this story and telling the story vivienne. Westwood is one of the most famous clothing designers in the world. Now i mean she's huge. She doesn't have the time to speak to me for this podcast but she is the reason why i wanted to talk about clothing because in two thousand nine i heard her say this thing to the new york times and i haven't been able to stop thinking about it since the paradox is that people think that if they wear something simple a non saying that somehow they themselves will emerge all the more stunning beautiful from it. It's not true it might be true. No not not even true of christy turlington. No no. I don't want to seek christy turlington annotation and jeans. She can. why not. If you're born. Look somebody free of beauty. Why not look like a goddess. Why not every. Where were you when you heard that quote and why did it let you on fire. Oh that's a great question. It's a long answer. But i'll condense down conversations here. You're okay harry. We editors that was from an exhibit at the de young museum in san francisco. And my my aunt. My grandmother lived in san francisco and i grew up going there just like every summer. Go visit my my aunt and my grandma. I would go to thrift stores on haight street and they had these incredible ridiculous thrift stores. Where i i mean. I dressed like a freak. I went to an extremely preppy private school for high school. And i don't even know what force of nature like compelled me to do this. I think i felt so weird. And i felt so like i didn't belong that i would spend the summers in these breaks in san francisco and i would go thrift shopping and i would come back with just like frilly Victorian blouses pucci esque mini dresses. Checkered pants just like absurd ridiculous outfits. And i was always the highlight. I didn't have many friends in high school and so a huge part of my life was like planning my outfits and like the teachers loved me but students definitely like it did not win me many friends among my my colleagues but i don't know why i felt. This need to like do that. And then when i went to college i kept dressing up in this way. I went to an extremely extremely radical liberal arts school where everyone was kind of trying to dress In an interesting way you have years of experience on him. I had years experience. And also i think i was just a little too much. You said no your other friends were were inspire egging this on. That was a one upsmanship just with yourself to one of the experts that i talked to in season two articles of interest. Derek guy. he's incredible is what my favorite journalists he said. This beautiful thing that was like clothing exists in context right and like harry styles can wear a purple feather boa on a stage but if you wear a purple feather boa on the street. People don't know what to make of. It doesn't have the accurate context. You know if you wear a cowboy boot. You're referencing something right. You're like. I have taken this western style and now it's this. You're speaking a language. The metaphor there guy made that i thought was so beautiful as he was like. When you're making an outfit you're making a sentence and it has to make grammatical sense if you're making a statement just to make it. It's almost like the noam. Chomsky idea that you can craft a sentence that is grammatically correct but doesn't have any meaning like colorless green ideas sleep furiously and so i was wearing these outfits that were just kind of loud and the message sending before in my old contacts was just like i'm different but now in this society where everyone was trying to communicate with each other in different ways. I was just yelling. Colorless green ideas sleep furiously. I wasn't in tune and alienated people. And i think it made the idea around campus of just like who does she think she is and so. I had this moment where i was like. Oh my god. I just have to. You know my clothes are hiding me. And then i'm one of my trips to san francisco. I went to the museum and there was this retrospective of the work of vivian westwood. Who had never heard of. But then when i went to this exhibit. That's what i learned to vivienne. Westwood was and learned that she had designed punk that someone had to design. It wasn't just some grassroots movement. That happened you know someone made made this happen. Conscientiously and that was sort of the seed of articles of interest. But what. she said. They're really spoke to me. Which is one of the things that's fascinating. About clothing it is truly the membrane between our interior selves. And our extra yourselves like that is what we are navigating when we decide what to wear everyday plants the seed way back then of articles of interest Which sends you on this. Twelve part series twelve journey. That begins With one of the episode. That i can't get out of my head that i've been thinking about constantly because i have a fourteen month old and i spend a lotta time playgrounds and around kids and seeing kids fashion and so like i just so annoying like with other parents of like you know i know i. That bo is unsure. And i know that bright star is on that shirt in kids clothing Learn so much But the thing that blew my mind was just the great lengths manufacturers go to to make kids clothing Safe and make sure that kids don't sleep in clothing because if they sleep in the clothing then it's a hazard potentially which means that kids clothing if it's not sleepwear has to go through great pains to prove that it's not sleepwear so that they don't have to meet all those flammability in size requirements. So let's say you're trying to design kids clothes that are not for sleeping. They can't have pictures of anything that could be interpreted as sleepy like what is pictured on it as it sleeping animals as it is sleepy. Seen that you feel sleepy if it makes you feel sleepy. Sleepwear no images of the moon no images of stars and no clouds like a cloud. Probably wouldn't work your legal department at your company like you can't do that because that makes me feel like sleeping. Donor has his awesome onesie. That i love on her. She looked so good in this big bright goofy heart like a giant glowing in the center. I'm like why do why is that. Everything else was great about this. And why that and now i understand it saying don't sleep in this because i did not make it safe for a fire base. That is mind blowing it and i. There's a reason cia on kids clothes. What else was exciting for you. About kids clothes and diving into that topic. You know the interesting thing about it is like all the topics sort of interconnect these weird ways once. You really start to think about them. So there's another episode that did about pockets and like why women's clothes have no pockets and Why men's clothes have such big and plentiful pockets and in response to that. A lot of people like my baby's clothes have pockets. So it's like well. This is why it's to prove that it's day wear like your kid doesn't own that fit in their pockets like it's it's all this elaborate risk to be like. Oh don't sleep in it this day. Wear so like once you start once you have this lens of like. They need to show that this is not for sleeping and that this is for the day. It gives you this lens where you can look at kids clothes and just understand. Suddenly you can start a designer. It'd be like that's why other parents they don't care that you have this knowledge by the way. Oh yeah that lapel daywear. That's day where okay. Get away from me. Weirdo still excited to know that new knowledge. I'm still happy to have you know you mentioned kids. Were led to pockets pockets. Lou leads you to kill to tartan. I that timeline was that did you have a a blueprint laid out for that or were you. Did you start with kids. Wear and that led to. Oh that's interesting. i should go there. I should go here. Was it The did the story unravel or did you have the sort of mockup of the dress made. And he's a lot clothing metaphors. Yes their inevitable. At the same time together expired. Most of them are used used up my budget. Five percent more. no no. let's keep them coming. Definitely began with kids clothes and that was like my little pilot that i've been thinking of for a long long. I've been slowly percolating. That story idea. I mean even before i got the green light to go ahead and make the serious. I found with most of my stories. The way that i go about it when i have something that makes me curious. I just start talking about it and talking about it with people. Party is talking about it. With friends and little pieces start to come out of the woodwork. and they coalesce and so it sort of started with kids clothes. And i was like oh this is a great idea for a series like talk to someone who has a question and a problem. Talk to manufacturer talked to a historian to really get to every angle of this garment. And that's when i started thinking of like what else am i curious with. And that's why so many of the episodes begin with a friend of mine because these were people who at least have been thinking about these questions and talking about them with me for a long time like sarah. Who started the hawaiian shirt story. She wrote this article very like bombastic article for k. Q. e. d. about like. We should abolish are she wrote it. S moma was like we should abolish the tiki bar and it became this huge scandal. And i wonder how it feels about hawaiian shirts and as her about that and my friend peers. Who started the pocket story like he had been thinking about pockets forever as i say in the in the series there was this one night in college where i lent him address and it didn't have pockets and he was so unused to not having pockets. He just didn't know what to do with his keys. He got locked out of our dorm to these all these origins and like my friend anna who started the plaid story she was like our plaid slick. A gay thing is that can you tell someone's gay if they're wearing plaid like all of these questions have been ideas that i've been thinking about with my friends for a long time so i mean the kids first and then i made the rest of them all simultaneously and i had this studio in east oakland that i rented that was literally the size of a closet and i painted the wall with chalkboard paint and they did this totally like a beautiful mind thing laying them out thing totally killer me. My god being like. I really wanted to make sure. They all connected. I really wanted there to be links for all them. I worked very hard when people very clear because it plays like a scavenger hunt the end of episode like we talk On the show. Tyra people to this episode of that episode. But you should definitely start. It's where one with this one. It is not like other podcasts. It plays like at the end of one. There's a clue for the next and it's like you have to conquer one episode before you can move onto the next and it's just It's exciting to listen in that way. Because i don't remember it being done like that before. Thank you so much for saying that. You mentioned hawaiian shirts. And that was definitely one article of interest that i was like. I didn't know i was interested in this until you made it interesting. We introduce the idea human resources departments that you could let your workers come to work dressed one day a week in something a little bit. More casual dockers. For instance and with dockers levi's really created the concept of business casual wear which they then sold to businesses. We took the idea to human resources departments. In fact we created a kit how to put casual business wear to work and we sent thousands around to hr departments and in it included a guide to what was appropriate. Wear and in this guy that we're looking at. Here's a man dressed in his docker slacks and a caller shirts and other clothing that he could wear aloha friday came from hawaii. But casual friday came from levi strauss and company. Can you explain that link from aloha friday to to to casual fridays for. Haven't heard this before. Because i was blown away by the fact that i'm going to do a good job anymore. Honestly i haven't listened to the series and so long and listening to me now. Like gasping as the levi strauss historian like shows me this pamphlet. I'm like wow. I love that enthusiasm. That's the thing we love about your podcasts. I often interview people. Who are there. are two podcasts. There are hosts and then there are just there are people who live it and it is clear that you live your your podcast. I love when we love when you are when you were blown away by something but basically we learned up. I'll tell you. Let me tell you about your podcast for you know on fridays. In hawaii people People would wear. Aloha shirts and aloha shirts have significant about where they are what they're located and there would be birds and plants and things on their shirt that were specific to a time and place where they lived at had history and and because dockers was on the west coast and they would vacation. There are a lot they would see. That people were wearing hawaiian shirts on fridays. And then dockers like implemented this by like attacking. Hr like different corporate offices and saying let's stress. Everyone down in america on fridays as a way to sell more casual clothing because they just wanted to sell more clothes which is another has another level of insidiousness to it right. It's like oh you don't need to give your employees more benefits or eternity. Leave or anything you let them dress down. They love that shit. We're coming for your casual friday. Well it was nice to jog your memory there and see what you were able to recall from your own podcast. It gives me hope for our next segment Very popular game that we play here. Everyone's talking about it sweeping the nation. How well do you know your pod every truffle. I'm gonna ask you three questions about your podcast if you answer two out of three correctly this articles of interest clipboard which was sent to me. It's very oh it's very tim. Gunn this clipboard. Of articles of interest will make it on the pod wall of swag behind me three questions. Are you ready for. How well do you know your pod. Okay why do female. Police officers wear men's uniforms and not female uniforms. That pockets are too. Small pockets are too small listen. Are you ready for this. I'm ready for this. The women were really because of pocket or too small wins. Wait really but there is a women's that they make. But i'm carry them over here but traditionally they use the men's the pockets are bigger and they can put things on. The women's are smaller which i can show you won't fit. That's fascinating now. You have something to blog about. I'll give you something blog about had to play. I knew it was a softball player. It's the best you're so excited and this first of all like come on how it's amazing you're doing a piece. You're you're breaking. Down atop the topic of gender inequality history of pockets and in the process. You being condescended by some guy at a uniform store It is brilliant There is one of my favorite podcasts. that i talk lot about a lot is malcolm glad wells Revisionist history where he he has an episode paraplegics which all by among other people considered one of the best podcast episodes ever where he introduces an idea. And then he catches sean. What the white stripes. Name jack He catches jack white like doing the thing that he just explained. And like this is very similar moment for me of your podcast episode. Three in pockets But don't start there. Start at one. You'll get to three. You'll get to pockets. Learn about pockets giving me so much life. I think that's one though. You gotta get to more and these are not softball's okay right hit me name to three synthetic fibres you mentioned episode five blue jeans. That are found in denim today. Oh lycra My god i'm forgetting the technical terms for all the forms of plastic that are in jeans. We'll tell you have like you need one more okay Lycra and i don't know that's the whole thing with With the bluejeans they're like synthetic indigo synthetic cotton with stretch like. I don't even remember. The name of denham. Increasingly has synthetic fibers in is not cotton anymore like growth. Uh nylon polyester goes by many names. But let's call it what it is. It's plastic. this is as much applicable to denham. As any other part of the industry. Emma mcclendon says we are at an unprecedented phase including history. We've never had so many clothes available with so much plastic in them so much plastic in jeans. I was looking for nylon polyester. But now that i listened to those are you're saying there's synonymous with plastic. So what's that. Yeah question bad question. It's a great question. What is happening here like what is going to happen to jeans. What is going to happen to arjun. And why should everyone only one pair of jeans man. I mean the thing about jeans right as we think of them as hard wearing all american all terrain vehicle things and they're designed and they were once upon a time they totally were. They were really sturdy. You could wear them for life. You could share them with other people. But now i mean those were like to wear in. We were like these like these are stiffen they hurt and so then denim companies started to make genes that are already soft already stretchy already worn in to give us the look of hard wearing authentic all-terrain close but they're not actually they're actually extremely cheap and they're going to. I think the expert in the episode calls them with for the tries to like return. Start your plastic will weep. Virtually all of us off gas things like the stretch. Though i like when it's claiming so what do i do. What do i do. I have to just make sure my jeans plastic honestly. I tried to wear in raw denim jeans after this like jeans without any plastic. Unlike definitely it sucked in the beginning but after two months of wearing them but now they feel like normal genes like so denim companies are just trying to save you that initial discomfort. But they're totally jeans without stretch are fine would use. What's your method. Get some stones or just watched them a bunch just biked everywhere just like go. Buy real detriment. Biking forget the plastic stuff. All right you got one and a half you get this. Last one and articles of interest going up pod wall what is spread. it secure split sandra. I love this word. A practiced studied carelessness. We see exhibited in menswear. Listen spread satura. Italian go figure means studied carelessness. It's as concept that you're not supposed to look like you put a lot of effort into the way you dress even though you probably did because it's not cool for men to care about how they look that's the dispatch sure of life. You know you see a guy and you say well the buttons of his shirt on buttoned. He knows that he knows that you're not telling him anything. This totally helps me. Explain why i try on like four or five different items before i wear something but i don't really want anyone to not don't look at me. Don't notice me. But i wanna look good for you. What is that. What's wrong with my brain. What's wrong with people reminds me of like kids. I knew at school who had like pretend. They didn't study they'd be like. Oh i'm naturally just smart you know like putting in the work is Degrade it you know. It's better to be like. Oh i'm just. I didn't even try. It was born. That naturally look amazing. It's part of maybe my favorite episode the beau brummel episode in the beau brummel episode suits and menswear. We learned the historical context of behind the men's suit. Men's fashion in general and all dates back to this guy right who is The founding of the suit as we know it today and he was a paring. Down of getting rid of embroidery. Getting rid of all the bells and whistles from men's fashion and it has persisted to you know two hundred three hundred years later to like menswear as we know you go to. The oscars are in one thing. Women variety collar shapes different sizes. But we've mentioned aware that boring old suit something that's actually interesting about the beau brummel story. That didn't make the cut that i've been thinking about a lot. Is that bo brummel Was as you know he was. The original dandy was very dashing and very handsome and everyone wanted to be like him and copy him and then he ended up dying of syphilis. Which is a horrible scary way to die actually a portrait of dorian gray was written about bo- brummel as everyone saw this. This brilliant witty beautiful mountains sort of waste away before their eyes. And i mean syphilis is truly like zombie disease like your limbs fall off you go stark raving mad and then you die good. No good brummel was among a cohort of extremely famous powerful admired men who all died of syphilis and created this widespread panic this widespread fear. That is not dissimilar to the aids crisis and not the similar to what we're seeing now with the krona virus because we think of the victorian era a super buttoned. Up like super repressed. Everyone was sort of sending these koi messages to each other and wearing gloves and like dancing. Fire parts each other flowers. So much of it was because they were scared of getting syphilis. It was like disease based culture and the red the the the the regency period before it was absolutely debauched but completely totally debauched and so it will be interesting in cultural memory when we all emerged from this to see how we dress. We i to see if there will be a new sort of yes. People are saying it might be a new nineteen twenties. But i reckon it also might be a new sort of like age of propriety new age of conservatism. maybe after some like initial Satiafaction interesting to see how these diseases change how public health. Crises changed fashion. Yeah after the nineteen twenties. The veil was like hanging around for a while that was fashionable. The veil like made its way in and so to your point like the mask is probably here right like some version of the mask is just gonna be. Get a get a super fashionable cutesy one. Because it's going to be around or some version of it will be here and did a story for ninety nine percent invisible in taiwan a long time ago and everyone was just wearing masks not just casually. I was there with a friend who who has been have been living in taiwan for a while and she was like people. Just wear masks. I mean yeah sure it keeps you healthier but it's also in the same way that like when you don't really wanna talk to anyone and you put on headphones that maybe don't even have anything playing or you're just wearing sunglasses to be like. I'm not feeling it today. The mask has also been a cultural shorthand especially for women. You don't wanna get harassed on the train to just be like. Don't fuck with me. I can't today to just be like don't don't and i can definitely see the masks sticking around as a cultural. It's actually a nice thing to be able to have. I'm not in the mood in me. Love love love running in it too. Good little filter filtration warm. I can use it. Yeah yeah yeah it's good. It's good are you in the camp that fashion will do you think it gets more conservative. Truly i just think people are going to be more okay with like joggers and underwear. But i think the other thing that i realized that making a series as that like the rules of fashion weren't made the way i thought they were made. You know. I thought they were made by these sort of like miranda priestly esque figures sitting in the towers at vogue being like and now thou shalt not mix brown and black and everyone would be like. Oh my god yes of course yes. That's what how but that isn't. Fashion is the feeling when you look at your closet. And you're like i have nothing to wear. That's the feeling when you're like this doesn't fit my melia. This doesn't fit my mood. My body has changed. I have aged. I have new ideas. that's fashion. But i think the role of the gatekeepers and the influencers editors has always been less significant than we think. I think what we've learned. Is these come from larger changes in economics in gender in Politics like this is what changes fashion fashion is a metric of everything else. That's happening in our world. I guess what you're saying that whatever it is it will be linked to a specific thing like white shoes after labor day was a totem of fashion but it also had historical context that like whatever it is it will. It won't just come out of nowhere to your. Your aunt cast. It doesn't come out of nowhere. It's going to be like usually these things aren't even put into words like the idea of just like we just don't do that like you don't know what the you can't necessarily put into words but you know that there are rules we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. You wouldn't buy a car without driving it or go on a date or two before marrying someone. So why not join me every monday and sample podcast or two before you make it official and add it to your library commitment free no strings attached just you me and the host of an exciting new podcast if you haven't already please Leave review on itunes. Check out our adorable website at the pot spot dot com and tell fellow lovers of pods about what we're doing here. Were playing the field. Were listening to everything. We are potty. Amorous baby people are gonna have a lot of questions coming out of this pandemic and coming out of the great pajama trend. And i feel like. I need to mind the resource of ab trauman right now to help folks with whatever. The next wave of fashion is with maybe a little rapid fire fashion question coming at you. Are you ready for rapid fire fashion questions to help folks thawing out after the great pandemic pajama trend. I'll try we'll see what happens. What's your favorite article of clothing. That you My old shirt that have had since i was a baby. It's from the tv. Show the nineteen sixties. tv show. The prisoner the prisoner was was that was that. Was that a kid show. You're not it's it's the weirdest dress there. Okay all right now to answer. No now now. It's super soft. Because i've been wearing it thirty years denim jeans I'm not making this. I'm talking over the rapid fire. All right i'm sorry Crocs ever acceptable if you are over seven years old and not a nurse practitioner. i sure yeah definitely. What's one trend. You wish would go away. I don't actually have a lot of opinions on this. Because i'm just kind of fascinated by all of it. I think every trend that comes up. It's just like Where did that come from. I think it's so interesting when something verbals up and you get to see where it comes from. Just want to know why like why. What is the why cargo. Pant cargo pants clearly are born out of us now. Carrying around pagers and cell phones and more things more items. Then what's one weird clothing obsession or e centrisly. You've never told anyone. And while i think about it. I'll just tell you our producer One of our producers was really excited to talk about his strange clothing affliction where he goes on vacation. Let's going for for three days just to pack three sox and so he has to say the word sox three times one for every day that he's going away and in addition he has to touch that part of his body as he says the word suck suck suck so that i make sure that he packs each article of clothing specifically. Do you have any word clothing. He's interested. He's wow no nothing. I mean nothing like that i think. That's you're you're strange. Jim that's really amazing. Jim i i yeah. I guess my weird supervision closes like only in the pandemic have. I bought clothes on the internet. Very rarely do that. I like to thrift. The weird superstition. I have is when i go into a thrift and i don't just go to any third store i find like i have to be moved by the spirit. I very rarely like make a plan to go to a thrift store. Usually just kind of find myself there. And when i'm find myself in a thrift store i'm like i'm like i have been brought here for a reason there's like a garment that whose path i was meant to cross and i'm not gonna stop looking until i find it like one time i was. I was reporting a story for ninety nine percent visible. And i was in finland on i was on this. Northernmost town in the winter was freezing. And there's basement thrift store near my hostile that i wandered into and it was just like huge cavernous and cold and they didn't seem to be much on their everything looked like cheapie and not quite my style but i i have been brought here for a reason. Have to find like there's something here for me. There was. I was called to the location for reason and i think i like wandered around in the same circles for really longtime just like over and over again combing through all the same racks and i eventually found this vintage marimekko coat that i wear all the time. I still wear it now. It was like meant to be like there are some closer. You're like oh you're going to be on my life journey with like you are my skin protection and you will serve me well and you're gonna get yourself into my story. That is a code when people are like. Hey nice and i wear a jacket liner. I usually wear like under whatever jacket i'm wearing and people are like. Hey nice jacket liner. I get a lot of compliments on it and i always wanted to tell them like this weird story about like how it came into my life. But it's kind of like weird convoluted. Well it's good to listen to because feel like right now. we're all just like clicking around amazon. Okay that's five stars thousand reviews check. Put it in the cart. I feel like we can get a little more of that in there. A little more thoughtfulness into each article that we purchase online testing is great. I'm a huge. What what what are some resources for online thrifty. Where do you use ebay at see. I love the real real. Real real is like a little expensive but that's always been my thing like if you find a look that he likes on instagram or even while you're scrolling around on a shopping website. I always just try to search for similar items used or vintage and usually i find like stranger weirder staff from like the era that that new garment is actually copying so. I think it's a better way to. I mean not only. Is it more sustainable to by us. But i think you end up finding like more interesting. stranger stuff. One fashionable people in my life. I think there are people that do their thing like they have their thing or there are people who keep up with the current trends of those two kind of falls in the fashionable people. Kind of fall into those two things. How would you promote fashion for someone. Like i dunno like my dad loves tommy. Bahama shirts you know. And he just that's fashionable for him and it works for the time and place the exists in with his other friends that were tommy bahama shirts and he has racks of them yet. And i can't try to convince him that it is not fashion because it is it's it makes that's about it. Yeah earful is not the way into talking to people about fashion. You who say that. They're not fashionable. Is like that is fashioned thing that you cultivate and you care about. That's totally fashion. I mean i think if there's thought behind it it's fashion the thing that's hard for me like my dad will go to coles and just buy a bunch of shirts and bulk. I want to be like father your father. Did you hear about my shirt story listening. So i feel like that those are the moments are. I'm like i wish we're way. I make comparison all the time clothing. What we put on our bodies not dissimilar to what we put in our bodies which is not to say that. I think everyone should like be a foodie. But i think it's important to like have opinions about your tastes and why you eat what you eat and to have ideas of like do you care if it's sustainable. Do you care if it's organic. Do you not care if it's sustainable or you know like i think having opinions about how you dress is just as important. It is as important as having opinions about what you what you eat. What and how you eat from wearing a vest for this interview. I look good invests and i have this like fantasy about you. Know being a vest guy. And i have fest for every occasion but i only own this one vest and i don't know why i don't just become that thing that i like. I don't know why i don't do that. But there's something. And i don't know there's something about it's not it's not encouraged. There's something about putting myself out there. That is scary and that like. I just don't want everyone looking at me. Judging me what is the hopefully like people are like. Hey look at you. You don't want to. But i think once you break past that point and people understand that you are someone who like dresses. You know who gives a shit about what they wear. Then you're free. Bend your often. You can start wearing hats. You could start wearing ties like i think once you i remember this so distinctly like when i took like a couple times of people being like hey look at you dressing up and it was like embarrassing and it made me uncomfortable and i didn't like it but then people get over it and then you're free then you then the whole world opens up to you and you can wear fucking anything. It's awesome so. I think that's the thing i'm trying to like. Come come over the divide from over but you get through that and then the world's your and it's a beautiful fund exciting world. I think to your point on on your pond. You talk about how fashion has been reserved not reserved but moved forward by folks are marginalized by people. That don't have a voice. Don't feel like they have a voice but at the same time you want to encourage every everyone even. If you don't feel marshall. I think maybe there's the disconnect for me they're like i don't i feel like i have freedom of self expression and so maybe that's why i've never taken a huge interest in in in in in men's fashion and clothing or something like that like there seems to be Resistance for you know. A certain people just express themselves through fashion because they don't have a need to. I'm really glad you brought that up. Because that is a manifestation of privilege to say like. I don't have to our exists and other ways like i just wear gray all day and i think part of a way we can learn to listen to each other is to like if we're talking about clothing as a sentence. That's a really good way to hear the people around you to be able to read what they are what they are trying to say on their bodies and i think the best way that you can become literate in a language is by learning it yourself. I think we all need to all need to understand what it means to be vulnerable to put yourself out there to take to take a risk to try something new and not sort of fall into that sacred privilege. Bastion of whiteness of heterosexuality. I think this is not to say go appropriate other cultures. I think this is all way of finding find what makes you happy like be guy. Best guy like mars uses pocket squares. You mentioned guess. Aww he's very good at it. We're not in the rapid fire section anymore. We've just but my last question was do you have a ruben mars impersonation most iconic voice in podcasting next ira glass i feel like my whole. Life is a roman martyr imitating roman mars. Like most of the time. Except i'm a little unlike an over enthused lady. Roman mars person wants me. Although i can do roman mars impersonation of the bbc which we used to do all the time he would always say. We were making fun of the bbc which we used to do a lot to be like their leader is for years. Though i don't know where that came from. Let's sing song. That is yeah. that's it better now. Time will tell go. Hi go and you can be. Abc broadcaster that's around mutating the bbc. Where every this has been conversation time. Working i do ask everyone before they go for your Piece of audio. You'd like inducted into the podcast hall of fame. From articles of interest people attend the podcast fame. One bit of audio will play as they approach the articles of interest kiosk. Sarah moment sound anything. You'd like i mean the pockets. One is kind of the classic one that everyone plays but the one that i feel that that i like pat myself on the back of like good like that was a little journalist. You what you did right. There is when i did a story about diamonds. I went to the diamond district and tried to sell a lab grown diamond and everyone advised me not to do it. They're like it's a waste of your time you know. Don't do it or it could get you into legal trouble and basically just turned out these diamonds sellers. I mean. I brought a pair of earrings. Diamond earrings grown in a lab. And everyone who. I brought them to test them both and said that one was quote unquote real as in like a a mind diamond and the other was fake. Like what is our notion of fashion and the value. We literally ascribe to the thing that has just made up. Both jewelers told me that one erin was quote unquote real and the other was lab-grown. One diamond cellar. The diamond for between five hundred two thousand dollars dollars. Nothing and then the other one you told price what's really low price for that one hundred years not big here that but he said the lab grown diamond would only be worth about one hundred dollars so one earring was supposedly worth ten times more than the other and again. I can't emphasize that. This pair of earrings came from the same laboratory. Anything you're posting at least six or seven hundred podcasts. I currently hosts the podcast of the which is definitely a departure. it's definitely not like talking to nerds about many things. It's definitely more about like talking about the way we live now. And it's kind of a. It's kind of become this quarantine diary but just working episode right now with jonathan van ness asking them about how to be nice in the face of what feels like a really cruel world when we all live on the internet scoop here. Little a podcast tip. A nice try is coming back and eventually we haven't started yet but we will start it soon. Yeah so keep. Your eyes peeled. Tonight's try waivers. No one listened to the last five minutes of any podcasts. You know this because you podcast quite often by now. Everyone is finished what they were doing. multitasking listening. And so no one's here just the two of us and so you could talk about whatever you'd like it off your chest It is the last five minutes and So i use this time to You know tell off former boss former lover or Just vent about life in general. And i just want to say that i got my second dose. Oh boy i'm awful. It was great little arm. Sore Chills the next day. Oh some I got that. Madonna that good dern stuff but it feels really good after the first vacs i was so you i i will warn people you get like you get. Tell exuberant like you're just so relieved. And like i had this weird crazy facts. Energy of like hope and optimism hurting my back like overdoing it. Running exercising miserable miserable experience miserable week. Second second time. Second shot you're just gonna feel sick kinda out of it That's that's the that's my. That's my take on the to shot experience. But i'm so excited coming back close. We're coming back share anything you want. No one's here. No one's listening. I mean every day is the same in my world. I don't have a vaccine in my future. I don't know. I'm just super tired and super burns out. It's really hard. It's been really hard because as you can tell from. Articles of interest in which of my work involves like going out into the world and talking to people and touching objects like getting really excited and being cooped up and still having to make shows it feels like i'm like i'm sure you feel this to a degree to it. Just feels like i'm plowing field. It's dry like the field needs. I've hit my my breaking point and so it's it kind of beautiful and fascinating to hear. Because i haven't i. I'm very embarrassing to my old stories. I haven't listened articles of interest in hearing how excited enthusiastic. I was like. Oh not really relate to that person right now. It's been a long time. Since i've felt that person and hearing that you have your second. Shot is a nice reminder. Like oh maybe she'll come back like maybe the world will allow sorry. That's kind of dark. Now that's good the truth of that. This is not an easy on extroverts for sure Ordinarily i would be in that boat my wife and i are extroverts. We need to be out. We need to be with people. But we have a newborn. You know we have a four month. We were going to be we. Were going to be here anyway. We're going to be doing this no matter what so anytime to answer. I'm just like okay. All right come down thank you. Thank you for your candour. Thank you for all that. I learned so much today. I loved that. Read people's fashion that note like and i just wanna make sure that i don't interpret it incorrectly you don't mean like Vocally observed like hey and see you're doing their lapels in suits you you just mean out outerly absurd take note of well like okay so i'm looking at your outfit right now. Right you've got a vest which is kind of like traditionally something that you'd wear with a suit or something kind of fancy it's also something a little maybe old. It's a perfect mix of like folksy and fancy but you're pairing it with a shaman shirt unbuttoned which definitely brings a step to like folks here. Schambori is definitely like a working man's shirt at definitely says like we're here to do business the way that unbuttoned it and unrolled. It is like you know we're here to work but we're casual you know. It's all good. But i put this best on because i care and i've dressed up and this matters like that's a way of reading when i say read see the historical contexts of these items that you're paring together. You're mixing paint. I see the message that you are sending me. And i so appreciate it you know and i wouldn't say this to your face but that's when you see someone and they're wearing heels you're like oh you you dressed up look like it means it means it means a thing every everything you're wearing mean something Even if you can't necessarily vocalized or even if you don't know the history intuitively it means something to you. If i were to wear a leather jacket you'd be like oh i'll show you what i'm wearing. Now i'm wearing. This is extremely quarantine. I'm wearing short shorts. Sweatpants pockets the most upsetting but like so that's like a nod to like punk and fetish and yet it's paired with like something casual on the on the bottom as well. Okay yeah so like everything because everything exists. It's almost like when you listen to music. And you're like oh that's kind of pop influenced kind of country influence like you can understand everything in. Its context play with pain. And don't be afraid to play with paints like you have to dress. You have to dress. Thank you so much so much. This is so much fun. I get such a lift from these. And from great podcast. Thank you for sharon kerr bain. We're always looking for new suggestions on fresh batch of pods. Please tell me what you're listening to. And tell me what hosts you'd like to hear from via the pot spot dot com or facebook or twitter instagram at the pods bonner. Thank you this has been zach pod or is created by the price brothers produced by radio associate producer tori atoms in his recorded and produced a baker sound in philadelphia.

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Pay the Olsen Twins

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Pay the Olsen Twins

"Hey guys this is. This is karen hotak. Welcome back yard nice town and relax your vaca- yeah i came came back from six days on the beach with no out of control sunburn. Which is i from me bravo. I have zero days with a margin of error error so that's impressive. Did you use a new type of solution or were you just on top of it is on top of it and also i didn't use any spray sunscreen. I had had to like lather up with my hands so i feel like there's an added layer of awareness when you actually put it on your body yourself yes ma'am. It's not glamorous but it works t._m. My that's my p._s._a. About wearing some so yeah <hes> it was it was good. I came back. I had zero complaints in our inbox about our current format so look. Everything's great good good. Thanks for hanging with us. Everybody as we try some new things we appreciate it now. I want to do an amendment to that. Thank you for not complaining. Yes so while i came back to like little to no complaints in general about life from anyone the retail sector just sort of imploded. Is that what happened opens. Am i getting that correctly and big and small ways lisa. The most pressing topic right now is barney's. They filed. It's not a huge surprise is we've been talking about this coming for a couple of weeks so that's not the big surprise really what happened within the chapter. Eleven filings is what's surprising zang so let's talk about it a little bit. It's closing stores here. The store is closing stores in chicago. Los angeles and seattle five concept concept stores seven barney's warehouse locations. Some of their locations will stay open including the madison avenue you store in new york. It store in beverly hills san francisco and boston and also to barney warehouses will remain open so it's not disappearing during completely is just shutting down a number of locations. It also secured seventy five million dollars in new capital so what this means is barney's. He's not one hundred percent done. They are filing chapter eleven so they can get their house in order and also they have a little bit of cash to see if they could prop themselves up a bit but they do oh money all around town the good thing about when you see a court filing like a chapter eleven is like companies that are private companies like barneys. We don't know how they've been doing financially. We have no idea because they don't have to do earnings. If you're public company oh you do we haven't known for forever. What's going on with this company well. Let's talk about some people they owe money to. They are are in debt to a number of luxury apparel companies a number of designers. Would you like to guess the number one designer. They own money to tom ford good gas but no or do you want one more gas. No so who so who does barney's though the most money to the row oh the most money to the twins <hes> <hes> you don't disrespect respect them like that. They owe three point seven million dollars to the olsen twins. Is this why the twins never smile now. They took away all their smoke in money. They can't buy anymore cigarettes. They are so sad at tired. Dammit here's some other people they owe money to selene two point seven million y._s._l. Two point one million balenciaga two point one giovanni one point nine and it just keeps going. I mean they owe money money to everybody. Wow which is what happens in these things. Bankruptcies are just no fun. I don't like it that smaller designers to some of the big guys. I understand stand. They could take a hit but some of the smaller designers like. I worry because that income directly effects like can they have another season so i'm interested to see some of the fallout out that we may not be anticipating right this second. You know i know they're keeping the madison avenue store but i would not be surprised if they shrank that footprint a little bit yeah well and a lot of the commentary about what's going on with them as most people think that they're going to carry on and one former number. It's kind of like this thing isn't done. We just think they need to get their house in order because they're so connick and i don't know if relying on that status is enough to push them forward but maybe closing that many stores will help them in subway so they can just kind of reorganize. I know that we got us suggestion on what we should pour out for this particular retailer going into bankruptcy. Would you like to state that drink. Oh yeah we did some melissa road in and she also sent in a question which i'm going to bump it to this segment because it's related to barney's but her recommendation to poor went out was perrier zhou et which which is fancy champagne for those of you who are like what the fuck <hes> and the the type of champagne is the bella pock bottle which you will. We'll recognize on the shelf. It is a very fancy looking champagne bottle with like painted flowers on it <hes> and just because of the fact that i had to look at how to pronounce every single one of those four words communicate how appropriate is for this occasion so melissa thank you for that but she also had a really good question and at the time so this letters a couple weeks old now and i responded to melissa right away with my gut reaction well before barney's actually filed for bankruptcy so here's a question she says ladies thanks for the show and i hope you are enjoying some extra time to yourselves this summer. I'll be quick was the timeline for barneys imminent demise. Am i okay to preorder an item scheduled for delivery in november. I've done an exhaustive search. This item isn't available anywhere else but i don't want to tie up discretionary funds if the retailer will fold not sure if i could even file a credit card dispute four months later if they don't deliver the merchandise but failed to refund purchase so at the time before i knew how much money barnes owed everyone i said to melissa you're gonna be fine to preorder because when companies file for bankruptcy it's very aware that they immediately shut all the doors <hes> so the odds are very good that barney's will still have these stores open in november even though it's going to be a smaller footprint sprint but based on what you just told me. Melissa preorder was any one of those brands. We just mentioned you might oh cancel. I wouldn't do a girl. I'm sorry i know i do have faith in this brand but can happen between now and november yeah but it. It's a question that i have never even thought of before right you know. It's like if you're someone who's looking ahead and no there's going to be competition for something. That's coming out. It's something then you can't get any anywhere and he store. Do you take a risk on a company. That's really scary financial flooding and hope you get the thing you want or do you dislike go without it and hobie find it. This set of questions was happening right around the time that david's bridal was filing because people or like if i go in and trust that i can find something there. Will it be available months later. I for lots of people everything kind of worked out which is great <hes>. I think it depends probably on price point for me. Honestly i would probably not do it. That's just me and my personal opinion and but i told melissa two weeks ago three weeks ago probably to go ahead and order so melissa. I still don't want any complaints. I just want to make the like for this purchase but cancel that you may want to because i'd rather have that money in your pocket and have you're not have the thing you know so just food for thought for those of you who are examining the financial health of the brands that you shop yeah. Oh i hate that. We have to do this as kind of guessing game right. I don't like it. Oh i guess i should tell you bad news now. I'm sitting here like tell us. Another story in kearns like it is your turn youthful. Where do i even start with victoria. Secret secret vicky hush the brand that just won't give out the little fuck up that could to worry the secret chief marketing officer ed razek. Isaac is finally taking the him and leaving. The official statement says that he's retiring. If you've blocked it out of your memory razzak is the one who told vogue last fall all that to paraphrase plus size and trans models shouldn't walk the company's annual televised runway show because they don't contribute to the fantasy that that show provides why was he not fired right then and there meanwhile the news of raza retirement came the same day that victoria secret let the news news get out that it had hired its first ever transgender model down tina some pyo who will work with pink line and the news came just a week after victoria tori secret announced that it had finally cancelled its runway show altogether to cap things <hes> well. This is the penultimate cap. There are two caps to this to get the things off. Victoria secret is struggling with bad press because the c._e._o. Of the parent company l. brands leslie wexner goes way back with accused first child sex trafficker jeffrey epstein right so things aren't looking good there and then right before recorded this episode on august sixth. One hundred models signed a letter to victoria's secret c._e._o. Asking the company to protect contractors. I e the models against sexual misconduct. The siamese of this letter include christy turlington burns also includes former editor in chief of glamour. You're just dozens of models who are saying enough is enough and they wrote this letter really in response to this news that has come out about wexner is relationship with epstein and also there have been reports of photographers that have sexually abused models and aspiring models <hes> and so they're bonding together and speaking out about this and demanding answers. It's a day of reckoning vicky hush-hush to reckon and let me tell you we are not financial advisers on this show but i'm going to give you a personal test. If you have any stock in this company it is time to drop it. It is time to get out. You are going to lose money. I'm sure but you've got to get out now. Bath and body works is carrying them right now. Now you know what that that's sweet piece and cannot flow a whole company. Get get out get out now. I mean retail stock is crazy right now. Anyway i mean come on. I was thinking i was looking at some some stock quotes today and just thinking about brand. If i have their stock i would just like dump it like dump them all. Just get out you. A better use of your money is is taking your change hanes and throwing it at somebody's head because at least you'd get a laugh i least it'd be kind of fun and if you're gonna choose someone to do that too. I can suggest some <hes> old guys at the secret who were named previously. They need to completely clean house. This is a start but they need to completely clean house in order to rectify this thing like you know the people who bring a broom new a baseball game even though you're not allowed to bring brooms to a baseball game but they do it somehow they get them in into emphasize the sweep one team is doing so bad against the other that they just they've got the room. They're ready to sweep them out. Can you sweep out to tidy. Maybe up your company. And how do you get the broom into the stadium because it explicitly says no brooms but okay. That's a whole different issue. What what did you think the ven diagram of people who bring brooms to the stadium to people who actually use said brooms and their household oh at the the circles don't connect you get a new broom a clean one that lives in your car and you bring to the stadium. I see i see because obviously really. I mean if you took the from home. How would your wife and children be able to use it while you're out of the car. You said it not me. You know i mean i gotta let the men have their fun right. In the sporting world. A woman never brings up room to the stadium. I watch enough baseball. I would know how women don't bring brooms. It says on the list. You can't bring it you coming in hot on brooms today. Lisa those are some strong words from podcast but hot takes takes on this fashion. Podcast has a little bit of sports in it a little too much for cards. Let's counterbalance this by talk about jessica simpson said heck. Yes bring it jessica simpson. My heart in two thousand loves you still jessica. Alaska simpson launched a new active wear collection. She has partnered with fam- brands to produce athlete leisurewear as part of her lifestyle brand. The collection will include leggings sports bras t shirts tank tops and sweatshirts. It's going to be available in the spring of twenty twenty. It will be available on our website and macy's dillard's bulk and norstrom prices range from thirty five to sixty five dollars. Why am i talking about jessica simpson and on said fashion podcast because she's made a shit ton of money off of apparel her company as of a few years go was a billion dollar corporation. Do you know how many popular brands we have in this country who have not even gotten close to be billion dollar all companies. This woman sells clothes. She makes so much money selling clothes. Her company was purchased and twenty fifteen via sequential. Oh brands group. The fashion world has never really taken her seriously back where she started putting out a peril in two thousand five and a mentor said of her fashion venture sure quote consumers aren't dumb. The consumer who is really interested in fashion is sophisticated. She will take a marc jacobs over jessica simpson jason every time rude and rude and guess he was laughing. All the way to the bank rich asked jessica simpson. Her stuff enough is good. That's the thing i like what she produces. It's solid solid. It's really solid. Where's it sold. I feel like she's at kohl's. It sounds like she's going to be at most department stores at least most department stores that may still be open and spring of twenty twenty. I'm sorry i'm i'm thinking about her her current stuff and stuff. You know it's so funny because i haven't. I haven't seen it in a little while and it's not doesn't mean it's not out. There is just that i haven't been in a kohl's last time i was there. I think i saw her shoes. I remember seeing that but she's been laying low like. I haven't really heard a lot of marketing marketing news about her for a couple of years as possible because she's just had a couple of kids. Maybe production pulled back. I'm not really sure girlfriends earn that passive income income while she raises her kids. I like this. The fashion world may wanna start taking her seriously because she knows what she's doing. I wonder if her graph leisure line will be a competitor to fab latics great question. I thought about that too because the same price point right yup and they're both run by blond ladies and yet that's kind of where the similarities stop but mm-hmm yeah real tenuous connection there in my train of thought but you the mind goes where the money goes. You're going to meditate on that. Fasching is my favorites jacked udayana time it is time for my favorite kind of crime financial crime conspiracy crime the non murder kind ebay. You know what there's enough murder podcast. We're just gonna be like the last murder podcast. The fewer murders take place here. Podcast august fewer murders podcast dot com not great winter so here's who's su anhil ebay is suing amazon for alleged conspiracy to steal high volume sellers from its platform through ebays user messaging system. This is according to the new york times. Ebay says the amazon managers directed dozens of workers to illegally use ebays private messaging system to solicit sellers to sell instead on amazon ebay raise concerns last fall and that lawsuit moved to arbitration. This new lawsuit has ebay claiming that the effort was not just the few employees but a larger effort within amazon with managers giving lower level employees lists of ebay sellers to target oh dang own. The suit claims that amazon has violated the racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act aka rico. It's your favorite lisa. It's your favorite one of my favorite pieces of american legislation. Okay here's how rico works for those of you who oh haven't read up on it like me mertz. If you have committed to acts of racketeering activity from a list of thirty five crimes you can get hit with rico now. Find up to twenty five thousand dollars cents to twenty years in prison per count and you have to give up the money you earned within the racketeering scam racketeering during activities include fraud embezzlement money laundering bribery murder-for-hire copyright infringement. You know all the juicy ones. It's like the endless soup and bread sticks and salad at that's what we go is to me enough about opne. Though amazon com new york times on the lawsuit the times article notes that ninety percent of ebay sales are made at a fixed price instead instead of the auction format. They were so famous for years ago and more than half of amazon sales are for products sold by third party sellers. There's so there's a lot of overlap between what ebay does and what amazon does these days ebays complaint centers on the use of its private messaging system which is is intended messaging says communications between buyers and sellers ebay prohibits the use of that system to solicit sellers or to share contact information for communicating by phone email but the suit says the amazon managers told staff members how to set up and use ebay member accounts for the purpose of soliciting quote many hundreds of ebay sellers to sell on amazon platform unquote. Here's the other sneaky thing about this case and works in favor of amazon ebay terms of use states that if you have an account eve agreed to sign up and you have a dispute with the company any you can't sue and go to court no no bitches now you have to arbitration arbitration solve the problem with a mediator instead of having injury so when i complained about this in the fall they sued amazon petition to have it moved to arbitration because the messaging center is used by customers who have signed the terms and conditions. Lee said they're evil but they're smart right so this new lawsuit had to specify that this is a larger concerted effort that was organized and seen through by managers which is why they are going for rico. Why why is it amazon just hire some a group like private detectives where they could have contacted the sellers through other means. I mean it's not hard to track down. People these days like instead have gone through the messaging system. You could take two or three more steps and like found their email or just even guest at half the you know or at least go to the effort of hiring like an outside contractor to do this to have a couple of layers between like your staff and this paper trail right look. If you're going to commit a crime do it correctly okay ever melissa just a free tip from me to all of you. If you're gonna do you this cover your fucking tracks. I don't blame like i think people can be poached from anything. If you see a better deal on another platform you go go for it. Why don't we use the internal messaging system. This is just proof that nobody reads the terms and conditions agreement. When you sign up for a website well of of course they make them so amazingly broad. That's part of it too. It's like you have no other option and like just as a seller. What else are you going to do if you had a serious problem with them. They've got you over barrel right they do. I mean you are at their whims. That's why like if i sign paperwork to go to a new doctor and you're like do you agree. Read all these things. I'm like well. I guess so otherwise. I'm just going to bleed out right now right. What am i gonna do not get healthcare. I guess i'll do it. S s. I don't wanna die today but if i don't read this paperwork i may let's like on you can't win. You can't but look. I don't take sides rides and whatever i do take sides. I don't have to be partial. I don't have to be impartial on this podcast. I'm not a journalist on this particular show and totally rooting for eating here just on the grounds of conspiracy. That's the end of our fashion news moving dealers letter. Yeah here is connote from allison. Who says hi franz long time listener first-time writer atlanta once i found the perfect likings spur pilates. I never looked back there. Highways and the band doesn't roll down also they're thick so that they a everything in and be aren't transparent. When i stretch the band wow light dig no name. She says they were great for me. They have pockets which didn't make sense to me as i only wear them to class but if you want to wear them for daily life i get the pockets might be helpful. I've worn tons of leggings over the years and the athletic ones are at the top of my list. I find the fit to be true to size size and good quality. It's important to find the ones that work for you. They have a number of different styles and also purchased atlanta items on ebay threat up and posh mark with with leggings or swim bottoms. There's are awesome. I will only buy them if they are new with tags but i've purchased other non pan athletic items from a second hand market. There's plenty of athletic in resale environments so that's from alison. Thank you awesome for that rave review and in addition. We got a tweet deep from rebecca. Who said she heard recently. That athletic offers free hems ooh. I had no idea so i remember lululemon. Does this and i know uniqlo. Does this made well made. While does this athletic does this. Do we know of anyone else off the top of our heads that does free hems. I don't know if nordstrom free or not. Oh nordstrom i believe is free yeah and they have someone in house who like like like their taylor. Is there all the time that's amazing. If you ever have a chance for free just go for it. Take the ten minutes just do it. Take it and you can get your pants in like three to five days so great lease at this letter answered all of your questions from last time well. The first thing you said is i bet if somebody finds finds a pair of fat leisure pats. They stick to the brand. That was your gas because yeah because people don't wanna try them on. What's he find that they a product that you really love. Have you want to stick with it. So that's one thing you said and the second one was the second part two was you had questions about if there were the resale market which is obviously found product art on so thank you for answering those questions those really informative. I love it. This is the intel i like to see. I hadn't thought about the new with tags thing on l. Like i think about about swimsuits sometimes but pants is interesting but i mean leggings. Get beat up like they're up in your crotch. Let's let's just be real and they take a beating in terms of the kind of activity. You're doing if you're running. If you're biking. They're just getting a lot of wear on the fabric so i i can understand that mindset. I'm not quite as strict but i also. I'm a little more on the leisure side of athletes better well. Some people would just like to say can i have breath death leisurewear without the swamp and that's how they get it new with tags. That's why yeah yeah. Swamp past pre swamp ass. Take your pick. If there's going to be anyone. Swamp bassoon should be my own is kind of the theory there. I think personal preference and are beautiful. Resale market allows you to have those preferences. I love it love it. Oh my god oh my god also b._t. Dubs i saw a golf bag in the airport the other day and i really wanted to like talk to the owner of it but then i noticed that she seemed to have like a germ like a typically kind of germ. No girl stay away. I couldn't touch i couldn't i couldn't even look at her. Luxury is not worth it. She was in the next switch switch back. I had to move on so i admire her bag. From apar- i like the idea of us when we see it out in the world we do something say hello to the person or not to the person or take a drink drink up there. I kind of liked that. Take a drink of some emergency after being near her <hes> i mean maybe we need a secret handshake secret signal about signal how whoever's holding it just flashes you a couple of hundred like yes. I can't afford it. Yes i see i want it. I don't know the rest of those words this week. If you would like to get in touch with us or to pop fashion podcasts dot com you can write us a letter or listen to old the episodes you can find on twitter at just pop fashion or over on instagram at pop fashion podcast leave. What do you want this week. Well related to chugging emergency. <hes> as you may know i just recently returned from my week trip with my family that i take every year with two young children and a bunch of adults who spend too much time together during that week and every year there's like some sort of calamity like like there was the year my nephew to go to urgent care. <hes> there was the year that my brother-in-law's glasses ended up living in a pineapple under the sea a- and last year you may recall that <hes> i came down with tonsillitis better known as tinder mouth. Ah it's a phrase and trying to make work so feel free to call it tender mouth when you get sick after you start online dating tender immune system can't handle it you get tender mouth as a kind of like foot in mouth disease no no it's not like that at all. It's more like ma. I think like mono. Oh i see i see tender mouth. Yeah yeah germs in your mouth anyway. I got through the whole trip without an illness. Everyone was in one piece. Nobody got. Nobody had to go to urgent care. We were free of calamity for an entire seven days as a family of sex and if i've learned one thing on this show over the past five and a half years is that health should not be taken for granted can be fleeting be hard to get back back preach and is one of those things where when you're healthy you don't notice it you just go about your day and i just wanna take a moment to be grateful grateful for the good health shared on this trip because it was the rare occasion that we were all in good health. That's amazing. That's really cool actually yeah yeah but tinder mouth use it with your friends and hashtag it. I want it to go viral. I wanna be famous for this lisa. Never give up on your dreams. Would you like to share a one one good thing. It just might be the right. Is your long thing that you learned with tender. Mouth is is my one good. Thing is a book. It is called my lovely wife. It is by samantha downing now. Oh you got to know your own mind to know if you are ready to read this book. I am not kidding you. This is a dark book. Not everyone one is gonna like it know thyself. Will you like this. It is about a husband wife team that are serial killers. It is fiction and it is his bat shit bonkers people. This is a crazy book fictional story about this husband and wife team. They kill people. It is insane now. Can you say the title again. I'm writing my lovely wife. The reason why i'm recommending this book is because what's the last book that made me feel this way was gone girl and it's an intense book in all seriousness. It has some dark spots that are pretty awful so be careful if you're not in the head space or if it's just not your back that's completely okay but if you like that kind of gone girl insanity sanity. This is probably a great book for yell. It is twisted. It is frightening and i could not put it down but i mean for those those of us who are sick in the head and loved the americans on f._x. It sounds like the perfect number read. It is a great summer read because you just want to keep on going and it has an amazing last sentence. Ooh i need another book to read like i need another hole in my head but i'm up at this. It was a lot of fun so you guys have a good week this week. Thanks for listening to us so we'll talk to goodbye both back.

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How the Coronavirus Impacts America's Most Vulnerable

Boss Files with Poppy Harlow

41:42 min | 1 year ago

How the Coronavirus Impacts America's Most Vulnerable

"Mark Zuckerberg told The New Yorker the new source. He definitely follows Techni so listen to the tech team ride home. Podcast the podcast anyone. Who's anyone in? Silicon Valley listens to every day in just fifteen to twenty minutes. You get a rundown of what happened. In the world of tech with all the headlines context commentaries and tweets from all the biggest players new episodes every day at five PM Eastern. Search your favorite podcast APP for ride home and subscribe to the Tech Meam. Ride home podcast. Welcome boss files. I'm poppy harlow today. I'm talking to leaders who are working help. The most vulnerable people during this corona virus pandemic both here in the United States and around the world. We wanted to do this episode. Because this is something I think about a lot and cared deeply about for those of us who are more fortunate. What can we all do to help? Those who will be even more adversely impacted by this both in terms of disparity in care and the economic fallout that is just going to increase income inequality in this country a little bit later on the show. I'll speak with West more the CEO of Robin Hood Foundation Their Sole Mission is lifting people out of poverty. Right here in New York City West also has quite personal story so this strikes close to home for him. I saw with my own family. About how these singular shocks can knock a family down to the point that it then takes this remarkable sense of influence and frankly a lot of luck to be able to help people navigate their way out of this. I'll also talk to Lauren. Bush Lauren the founder and CEO of feed projects which sells their feed bags and other items directly fund the UN World Food Program. She talks about how she's working with feeds partners around the world and also she's trying to support her own employees if there's any takeaway so far it's that word truly all in this together and to me. I think it just puts movements like ours like the hunger movement like the Environmental Movement. Certainly just in a new context. But let's begin. This episode with supermodel turned activist. Christy Turlington Burns the founder of every mother counts. It's an incredible organization that fights improve care for mothers giving birth around the world. Mothers who right now are facing even greater threats to their health a quick note before we begin as you can imagine none of these conversations are happening in person right now. Well we're all pretty much at home talking over the phone and online so occasionally you'll hear a dog bark in the background or one of my kids could burst in at any moment. I hope you'll understand bear with us as we work through all of this and keep bringing the show. So let's begin with my conversation with Christy Turlington Burns okay. Technology trouble shot all done. We're good Christie. Thank you so much for talking to me about this. Especially right now. Thank you poppy. For having me just to give people a sense of this situation for women giving birth in America before the Krona virus pandemic the number of women who die giving birth in America each year has nearly doubled in the last two decades in the US has higher rates of maternal death in forty five other countries. And I couldn't believe it when I learned. This is the only developed country with a consistently rising maternal mortality rate. So that is where we were before cove in nineteen. Where are we today? What has every mother counts? Learned about what this pandemic means for pregnant women and women delivering. What we've been seeing here in so far is that there's really a lack of research and information adequate information for Childbearing people I think when people are in a state of confusion and fear in already A period of time with which there is that kind of emotion attached. There's a lot of unknown out of uncertainty It is more important than ever for women and families do have a contact with their provider into be having a really close dialogue with them as they prepare For giving birth during this time as I mentioned before the research is just not there There are a number of studies in the last week. That have been coming to my attention which we are helping to spread the word so that more women can Participate in those studies but there really is so little that we know about pregnant women and their susceptibility to this. I think what makes the most vulnerable is the fact that most women in America deliver in hospital setting and by virtue being a hospital at this time. it's not the safest place to be at and they're they're even some labor and delivery words being converted into Krona virus units right and I wonder are you seeing data that more women are opting to deliver at home as a result in. Is that relieved the safest choice I think there are a lot of women who are exploring that option right now but it's not advisable for a woman who hasn't been going down that path already to be exploring that option if it's late in the pregnancy or in the middle of the pregnancy. I think if you are finding out that you're pregnant today or you're in those early weeks It's a great option to explore in any time period. If you're low risk pregnancy you you wanna make sure that the choices that you make that you have the support system to make sure that that's going to be the best fit for you but to be making that decision now late in your pregnancy. Because you're fearful of the hospital is not the ideal scenario and a lot of Humbert. Midwives are actually Fully booked or overbooked and not able to handle the demand that this situation has caused. What does this mean this pandemic and the pressure on the hospital systems as a result and the lack of a P P of protective gear? For many nurses and doctors. Can you talk about what this means Christie especially for the most vulnerable population? Because you know we've seen a real disparity in terms of availability of care for poor Americans and I think that that would extend to those who are more vulnerable In in more dire economic situation as they're giving birth yeah all very true I mean just to put it into perspective. Childbirth accounts for nearly one out of four hospital stays in this country. So you really can't address the corona virus crisis without taking into account pregnant and childbearing people In some areas. I'm sure you've seen in the media. women. Labor can only have one person with them in the hospital and visitors are limited. A New York state recently issued an order protecting the right of people to have at least one support person with them in a hospital during labor and childbirth. But that's been even controversial among health workers. You know it's it's tricky as you mentioned the most vulnerable women who are coming in and don't have any support system no partner. They're already very much on their own. going to this experience and so to not be able to have a A support person by their side and Dula for example Someone that they built a relationship in trust with it just puts them in a place of more vulnerability than they already were. There are a lot of people taking the line of preparing people with a technology plan. So that if they are in a hospital or city that is not allowing partner to be in the room then they should be working today on kind of building up to prepare for that in having some type of technical device to be able to allow voice support or some kind of meditation or some kind of coaching support throughout labor and delivery But not everybody has access to those types of support systems or technologies so There will be Women who were going to do this on their own With very stressed out overworked providers and that doesn't set anyone up for success. Ultimately you were very vocal in New York of the last few weeks about this and and applauded governor. Cuomo for the executive order to mandate that every person giving birth could have one one person by their side as they were doing that in the hospital having given birth twice for hugh having gone through this. I I can't imagine not having someone there alongside of me but you're saying that that's a situation for some other still another other states. Yes I think. Every state is handling this slightly differently in it could just be the hospitals. Themselves that have created the policies That's one of the things that I think would be helpful just to have consistent policies across the country right so that When people are hearing about a governor in one state who saying this is not acceptable To know that that that same bar or standard will be held At their local level as well new at every mother counts have been profiling. The courageous sort of frontline healthcare workers on instagram. In every day you have a new post. I was really struck. I think it was just yesterday the day before. These two sisters from Michigan where? There's an outbreak You know serving a pregnant woman delivering her another doctor talking about Delivering a baby from a presumptive. Covert nineteen positive. Mother these are. These are our heroes right now. They really are. I mean I can't see enough or hear enough of these stories. The heroism you know. Many of them are Are Mother's parents themselves Some of our nurses in our network have been covering for their colleagues who are pregnant right now and And in themselves very fearful of contracting this Virus and bringing home a friend of mine. Who's in OB In New York. I think she's featured today on our instagram. Heidi flag she's in a practice of all female Ob gyns and many of them are mothers of very small children and right. Now we've been we've been hearing. This is part of the research gap That's there there have been some cases where moms have been delivering Not testing positive and then testing positive afterwards. So people are very nervous. It's not the best situation for health. Workers to be providing care without the support system without the proper gear. One of the data points that you and I talked about often is especially for African American women in America and especially in New York in terms of how many more die during childbirth than their white or Hispanic Peers and I believe. It is three times as many across the country now looking at the latest data that came out at the end of January and something like twelve times the number in New York. That's correct yeah. It's three to four times As you said a woman of Color so African American women as well as native women In the United States nationally and then in New York You know we have the highest. I would say of any other sort of Metro area And it's unacceptable and there's been a lot of a lot more attention more recently Put towards that issue in New York so to think about how those women are going to be impacted at this time. is certainly top of mind for us every day but right now especially We need to continue to focus our attention on vulnerable members of our communities Pregnant Women Postpartum people and newborns given the fact that this is an unprecedented situation that there's no roadmap for right in one way to describe this sort of flying the plane as we're building it as a nation what is every mother counts doing. I know that you've assembled home. Prenatal kids I know. I believe you have a resource hub where people can go for more information and help. That's right about a week ago. We compiled a resource guide for pregnant women And we are keeping it. Updated working with a lot of our community partners Our public health partners other foundations to make sure that the data the most up-to-date data is is included. So no that's a good resource for people We are also talking to our grantee partners around the world because we have partners in six countries including the US and so talking to them about their needs on the ground Which are changing. Day to day A lot of the countries where we have partners outside the United States are just kind of coming into this their at their sort of very early stages I just came back from India. Couple of weeks ago In diabe is in full lockdown It's very densely populated country and so the impact of this on on on on their people is going to be It's going to be big. And then Haiti also very vulnerable places already with not very consistent services But right now more than ever They are trying to prepare for the unknown If we talk about the lack of equipment in this country you can only imagine What that will be like in Bangladesh in Guatemala In Tanzania so we're trying to share what we're learning here in real time with them In multiple languages to get them as best prepared. They can be Let me just end by reading. Everyone one of these posts from you guys elevating the the stories of of what you guys are health heroes on the front lines of covert nineteen. This comes from Dr Amanda Williams. Susan began at Kaiser Permanente in Oakland. California I did a crash. C Section drilled today donning my n. Ninety five mask this morning and I am currently managing labor with my first patient under investigation with the Kobe test pending. It's a lot up to the challenge. So thank you for elevating their stories end for talking to us and I guess just lend on letting people know where they can go if they if they want to help Sure please come to. Every mother counts dot org for that access to the resources guides Our instagram to check out those stories. We're going to be sharing them as long as they can. Keep coming in which I think will be for some time. A man is just one of those Professionals who is there Going beyond Beyond the this sort of usual kind of healthcare always so committed to women so committed to vulnerable populations And keeping up her health and strength is is is really really important. Just giving Some of these people the the attention in the praise that they deserve right now will help them. Go the distance for For Vulnerable People in for all people and people can donate to every mother counts that or online to if they want to help and I keep talking about food banks as well for those of us who have more. 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Of course I think you know maybe a week or two really into this corona virus crisis. I started thinking a lot more about the economic impact for the most vulnerable. And you obviously popped right into my head leading Robin Hood. So let's just begin there for people who don't know Robin Hood in what you do. The goal is lift. New Yorkers out of poverty right and this means children. This means her parents. Anyone who is most vulnerable? Where are we right now in this crisis for them you know? I think we're watching. How the vulnerabilities that so many people in the city of New York and throughout the country are feeling. They're just being completely exacerbated right now. I mean even even prior to Kobe. Nineteen and prior to everything that we've seen. Nearly half of all New Yorkers could not sustain a four hundred dollar shock could not sustain a four hundred dollar unexpected bill that would not knock them right back down in poverty. And that's what we're seeing right now. This is the shock and it's something where it's a lot more than four hundred dollars and it's something for the families for the children for the communities that we support a this is something they are now responsible for but we're watching how they are the directed impacted communities that we that we are fighting in advocating for. So what we're seeing right here really is an illustration of the massive schisms that we have in our society about who are those that are actually prepared to take on these type of socks. Who were those that have the resiliency to take on those kinds of shocks and which communities and individuals repeatedly are not? And so. We're watching this in real time right now and for for I believe this. The third time in more than three decade history of Robinhood. You you guys are activating in using your Relief Fund to help these folks that can you. Can you share with us? Some anecdotes of what? Those individuals families are going through right now because on top of not taking home a paycheck for so many of them at all Their their children are home right and they are not in school and they're not receiving supportive school. They're having to deal with education many without access to a laptop or or Internet. What are what are they going to? And how can they really find help? Yeah I mean I think one thing we're seeing and you're right in the thirty two year history of robinhood. This is only the third time that we've activated our relief fund. The I was right after nine. Eleven and the second time was after superstorm. Stand superstorm Sandy. And you're right is we're watching this cascading of impact and effect that That is really hitting our community because when you're talking about people who are living in poverty Oftentimes you're talking about people who have jobs. It's the working poor. It's the hourly worker. It's the person who doesn't have benefits. It's the person who if you restrict not only not even just their job just the amount of hours that they can compete in the job. You're talking about people who are working in some cases multiple jobs and are still living below. The poverty line is if you think about just within the first week of of of the impact hitting. We'RE ABLE TO GET GRANTS OUT. The door focused on general operating expenses for our community partners. Both new an existing community partners and also thinking about things like cash assistance emergency food and we really came to. These are landing spots because that's the feedback. We're getting from our community partners where we community partners. Who we're watching this moment. Right now is the difference between them existing and then not existing and so even just in the past two weeks. Robin Hood is allocated. More than eighty grants worth with a close to five million dollars to support nonprofits operating New York City. We've raised over twenty million for the cove in one thousand nine and Relief Fund and we'll continue distributing rapid grants to nonprofits and to keep them operating and serving the communities. That really do need the most. Just such a stark reminder even for those who are. I guess fortunate enough to still have work and be considered essential and and go to work for many of them that that's not a. That's not a car service to work. That's not an uber to work. That's a packed subway car. The woman who you know I get oatmeal from every morning. You Know Liam oddest or name. She's amazing and she's so grateful to have a job and Sh- told me this morning. Two and a half hours this morning to get to work after four. Am subway is so coming to much less now because so many fewer people are using it. New York packed subway car. She said I cover myself. But you know people are just standing up against me. It's packed right and to adjust is a reminder of the disparity even for those who are still going and trying to get that paycheck is exactly right. I mean we we we have situations here and we understand why but you know but the government both within the state of New York but also other states have moved rapidly to be able to to not just a encourage but in many ways enforce this idea social distancing knowing that that is going to be the most effective way of being able to control the spread of the virus but that also includes things like public transportation for those for anybody who's been any time above transportation as we do every day especially up in New York. I mean that's how we get around. And there is no social business distancing about what about nine show. What about public housing? You've got a lot of people living really closely together. That is not the right. That's exactly right and so and so you're watching where part of the challenge that we have You know in New York and also other cities like Baltimore. The the problem is density it just people who are just on top of each other which in some ways creates this this this beautiful level of community in good times and in times like now where we are trying to have to reinforce his idea of social distancing it also makes it incredibly complicated to be able to reinforce that and so we have you know. I think about this in terms of our work in terms of how we're thinking about the role. The policy does play in so much of our work. Where where you know. There's a good and a considerable amount of the we can do on the philanthropic side. You know we've been able to allocate significant dollars to many of our community partners But also I think some of the work that we're doing some work than I've been. I'm almost proud. Of is the fact that we are able to coordinate and work with government officials because the decisions that are being made on the governmental side are going to have just as much impact on the resiliency of our community on our ability to be able to to to attack this virus in control. It spread to be able to flatten the curve as much as anything that we're doing in the in the world of philanthropy. Yeah I mean these benefits. It's it's great to see what what has been passed on. What MAY BE COMING TO HELP? But if you have a hard time figuring out how to apply for them are actually getting them than it. You know it doesn't have the impact on you. Let's step back from it and west and if you could tell I had the pleasure of no you know maybe a decade or so and read your book and you know had you on the podcast before and in happier times but can you just tell people a little bit about you and your background and I just keep thinking about your father and what disparity in care meant for him in your family if you want to share that absolutely and you know and part of the reason that this is my life's work is because it's personal. I had the The the the luxury of being able to look at our economy from from a multitude of different sectors. Whether it's from the private sector from the nonprofit from you know from as being the the the founder of a start up through through the military working governments why I've seen every sector of this economy and I've also had a chance to see the fact that that every sector this economy also continues to leave people out of it and I saw and I see that from my own experiences. Where at the you? I only have two memories of my father And the second member that I have of them was when I was about four years old and I watched him die in front of me and I and I saw how it just rocked our family. Where where where? My mother unexpectedly just became a widow now with three children that she was going to raise on her own How complicated it was for her. That's how she had to work multiple jobs and it wasn't until I was fourteen years old that she got her first job actually gave her benefits. You know I was fourteen when she finally got a job that gave her stable hours. It wasn't air. Father sent home from the hospital. Basically told me didn't need care. He was he was He was misdiagnosed. Hit something called acute ethical titus which is essentially a swelling of the upper gladys and. It's a it's it's a virus where Where the EPA gladys sits in all of our throats and every time we talk or breather Yup Gladys raises up and allows air to get inside of your windpipe and essentially acute uncle. Titus is is where the virus attacks the gladys makes it so swollen and makes it so heavy that it just sits there on top of your windpipe and so essentially it was a misdiagnosis that that my father died because his body essentially suffocated itself. You you you think. He was sent away in part because he was a black man. Absolutely where where you know where the questions that were asked of my mother. When he was in the hospital was a was asking about. You know the assumption that he didn't have insurance asking him was he prone to exaggeration And they sent him away with with a diagnosis of of get some rest and if it gets worse than than than come back to the hospital it dig it worse and in fact hours. After he was released in the hospital he died as he as I was in fact I remember watching him as at the base of the stairs and I heard him coming down the stairs and I went to the stairs to go to go greet him and he collapsed and fell down the stairs right in front of me. You know I think about that moment. Now where Where we have so many people who again who are who are suffering and and we have so many heroic nurses and doctors and people who are trying as best as they can to support those who are sick and and I think about the case of of people who aren't even able to go spend these last moments with their ones I mean we're watching amazing Heroism and kindness. That's being shown throughout this country about the way we're dealing with intriguing and serving people but we're also watching these disparities show themselves in so many drastic ways and I saw with my own family. About how these singular shocks can knock a family down to the point that it then takes it then takes this you know Remarkable sense of influence in frankly a lot of luck to be able to help people navigate their way out of this and cannot have a framework or society where look has to be a prerequisite in order for people to make it. We can't and I keep thinking about how long lasting the impact of this is going to be on that front right when when the world is healthier again right and we all can't wait for that day. What do you guys think? The lasting impact of this increased disparity is is going to be and do we need to do about it. I mean the Taylor. This is going to be remarkably long and and one thing we always think about you know in in our organization is it's not just going to be about the emergency it's going to be about the aftermath because the aftermath of this is is is going to be absolutely staggering. The way they were GonNa Watch economies fundamentally change the way that even after we get an all clear and everyone is is permitted to go back to restaurants and permitted to go back back to their work. What exactly does that mean and look like particularly for so many people who barely had their head above water beforehand. You know one of the big pushes we've had for example We're talking about the importance of cash assistance in the work that we're doing Again when you look at the fact that nearly half of New Yorkers couldn't afford emerging spence a forty dollars before Kobe and even now we've we've we've passed. A bill passed a bill on the federal side. North of two two point two trillion dollars You know the the reason that we're focusing large bulk of our relief onto emergency cash assistance programs that can be managed by our community partners who are equipped to get cash into the hands of of New Yorkers who need it most is also because of the fact that for many people for many people who are in our population. They're not included in that. Let's end on this. Wesson is parents ourselves and I just think so. Many people are thinking that kids right. Now what have you seen in terms of the impact of this so far on children the most in need well? I mean you know. It's it's interesting because I think for you know I know in Europe parent. I'm a parent having having to adapt to you know what it means to have a remote learning and home schooling for your kids and the adaptation that's going to take on parents but also I know that I'm blessed. I know that that that you know that we have You know my my wife is so all in in helping our kids pulling everything together so that also I can continue You know Leading this organization and leading this work and leading this effort and I know that's a benefit that a lot of families don't have I also know that for children who are in shelters right now and you think about it you know in in New York City alone alone and this was before the crisis about twenty three thousand children every night. We're spending the night in shelters. Having to go to school how to navigate despite the fact that they did not have a home and for eighty percent of kids who are growing up in shelters. They don't have access to Wifi or computers. So how are they doing remote work? How are they thinking about ways to keep up with with with their with their peers in there and their classmates and so as a as a large society you know it's both about how we propel we supporting our children right now our children but also it's about how preparing for the aftermath? Because we know that that that this thing is going to last a while and specifically for those who are already in complicated situations on that my two year old just woke up from his nap and he is crying. So I'M GONNA have to leave it. There GOPI mom the most important of our jobs and I just so appreciate what you do west Loch to you and the entire team over there. Bless you thank you so much for all you do wes. We're GONNA take a quick break when we come back Lauren Bush. Lauren will tell us about how she supporting her employees through this crisis. Just don't know if I'm ready to face the world own tracy. Morgan is back. You are. Low wraparound Agean. Tiffany haddish's back. We support one another. Everything is going to be. Okay the last. Oh Gee only Tuesdays at ten thirty nine thirty central on. Tbs WITH A NO-HOLDS-BARRED ELECTION. Right AROUND THE CORNER. Take a look back at some of the most hard-fought presidential races throughout history the CNN original series race for the White House is back for a brand new season. Sundays at nine on CNN. And now Lauren Bush Lawrence. Ceo of feed projects tells us how her organization is supporting the UN world? Food Program is they're trying to prepare for more countries to be hit hard by this virus. Thank you Laurin. Thanks for doing this. Of course let's talk about what you do and who you serve. The reason. One of the big reasons I wanted to talk to. You is all of the vulnerable people right now. Who are made more vulnerable because of this crisis eleven million food insecure children in the US feed serves people around the world. You work with no kid hungry to do that. How exacerbated the crisis now because of this yeah I mean Dave Day I would say it's obviously quickly evolving but the fact that You know for New York City specifically but a lot of the country so many schools are closed especially public schools. Were many kids. Do rely on that free or subsidized for lunch. Breakfast to to eat and their families rely on that there are one hundred fourteen thousand homeless kids just in the New York City Public School System. Who all get their meals from the schools just in one city. Yeah so that is a big big deal I'm also on the board of the Food Bank for New York City Been in close touch with them and no kid. Hungry is the organization as well that feeds supported is supporting To HELP GIVE GRANTS TO FOOD BANKS TO COMMUNITY COMMUNITY CENTERS Information to families about where they can find those meals for kids In lieu of not being able to maybe provide them themselves. I mean again I with my family. We were lucky we went to the grocery store. We are able to load up on enough food for a week. Or at least that's costly. That's not something that you know. Many families can do and I definitely did it. Obviously feeling extremely grateful and lucky but also with a honestly a sense of guilt and Foreboding that this is not something in a normal family can do what is going on with the supply in terms of the numbers. You're looking at globally for feed helping the most vulnerable around the world even who were the most venerable before this pandemic and how much more vulnerable. It's made them and and those in need in the US. Yeah I mean again. I think it's ever evolving. I talked to also global partner. The World Food Program Who said very honestly many. They don't work as much insertive Europe. They don't work in the. Us working like the poorest of poor countries around the world In those haven't been the hardest hit yet obviously. There are cases and these are places where the health system isn't what we have. Even though I'd say we're not prepared for list And then in terms of not spreading this further making sure folks can get sort of healthy access. So they're doing things in America at even New York City where it's like limiting You Mount of people who can go into a pantry at a time so sort of spacing folks out obviously wearing gloves in you know being as health conscious as possible in terms of handwashing But yeah I would say Grocery stores these food distribution points. These are definitely GonNa be areas where folks are more vulnerable to Catching this for you and your family right now. Lauren. You're leading feed. You've got employees. Everyone's working from home. Everyone's working from home. We decided then we close the store in Brooklyn so so you so those employees right now that work at the feed store there are are out of work. They're out will. We've tried cassette. Wiz Late too painful to do to them. Those most of the folks that work at the feet shop our Younger many going to school. This is kind of a part time job at some. This is their fulltime job. similar to the salaried employees at feed wanted to do what we can so as of Now in kind of maybe for the next month God Forbid. It lasts that long they last longer. Hopefully it's quicker. Who knows at this point we are paying everyone's Basically the hours they would've worked were were evil chip to give them half of their normal weekly pay so at least they have yes some income coming in and that will hopefully get them through this. This moment But in terms of yeah everyone on our payroll who's full-time were obviously continuing to to pay this time. I guess in wrapping up. What what is your message right now. As as a leader to people trying to lead and medium size businesses like yours. Yours obviously is a nonprofit And especially ones that help. Those most in need like what has worked for you. What hasn't worked for you. I know it's Day by day. It is so day by day I mean I think. On one hand yeah. It's not staying calm staying positive helping recant being a good neighbor Definitely as leader of a small business team were doing the best we can all work remotely stay connected via slack via Asana. There's a lot of great kind of work tools out there that have been really effective for my team to stay connected Which has been great and really helpful and then in terms of the need I think it is. We've just been staying in close contact with our partners. We've worked through locally globally and again. I think it's a day by day situation even on their end. Were there sussing out the needs but Yeah I mean really I think of any there's any takeaway so far. It's that were truly all in this together and to me I think it just puts You know movements like ours like the hunger movement like the Environmental Movement certainly just in a new context So I hope if anything comes out of this is the sense that we all need to get together on all these major issues. Good Luck Lauren. I know how hard it's gotta be to try to help those most in need in in a situation like this. Thank you guys for for what everyone at feed is doing thank you. Poppy Take Care. Thank you so much for tuning in. If you enjoyed this episode of boss files make sure keep listening over the next several weeks as we talked to more and more business leaders about how they're coping with all of this uncertainty and the challenges presented by this pandemic and as always. I WanNa know what you think. Leave us a rating or review on your favorite podcast APP. You can always find me on social media at Poppy Harlow CNN. We'll be back soon with another episode of boss files. Thanks so much for being here.

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"Future Man" with Riki Lindhome

The Endless Honeymoon Podcast

1:07:44 hr | 3 months ago

"Future Man" with Riki Lindhome

"Welcome to the endless honeymoon. Podcast recording in the day for perhaps the second time ever motions like you have to get dressed. Have to get dressed. Did i say that you're like that's what you're wearing your in your pajamas. Yeah but i put a for on and people can only see my face and neck so who cares. It's true you are pretty up close. I'm just saying who cares if you don't have clothes on anymore these days. We have an exciting day today. Because we have a special guest. I would say Not just a great comedian and a great person but also your primary creative partner and a great friend. You created another period with this person. That's true you guys did a three season run of one of the funniest shows on television. Well thanks noche. You're welcome. But i'm mostly talking about the jokes that ira ladies and gentlemen. Let's welcome our guest ricky lindholm. Hi hi hi ricky. Yes can you hear us. Hello using my friends little. Microphone thing but it made me have no sound. So you're not this. where can you hear me. I can hear you allow okay. We're in northern northern california. We're kind of worth sasquatch. Lives out no. I haven't but there is another family. That doesn't shower very much. So that's kind of similar. I haven't showered since saturday. But you know there's there's there's been a power outage in my building to the last day and a half. There's an outdoor shower here. And i do it every day because it's kind of the highlight to make really no. It's like super hot. And i'm take like these really long showers even though i know it's bad for like the water runs out here really easily but i just like to like let it pour down me and just hope that. No one's put a timer on how long i'm in there. You you live in the in the heart heart heart of hollywood. Maybe you should look into an outdoor shower the fun way to get discovered. I'm actually going to check into a hotel after this because of the power yet. They said minimum soon. It'll be as four pm and it's been since yesterday morning at like seven am. And i'm like. I just need like a shower. And i don't know i met the point now with quarantine and the pandemic where it's like. I can't take another thing you know. It's like okay. I can i. You know i can deal with life like this. But then i can't also pile on that. I don't have power reflect. what have you been doing through the through the pandemic. what has been your routine right every day. That's what i'm saying. She's one of those doing the productive corentin anything else so he did not meet like i'm eating alone in. It's like it sort of went from feeling low. Metoo feeling like kinda great. I don't know. I've crossed like when i used to come to your house all the time to like. Sit in your yard like a mask i yeah. I've sort of yeah. I'm kind of good now. it's weird. I'm just feeling like creative. You're saying you're kind of that. You don't wanna come over anymore and sydney on i'm over. I'm over my lonely vest. Well you. We're very little. So if i hear you correctly ricky. It sounds like you don't want to have tea in our front yard anymore. I do once. You're back i just don't need it like i needed it before. And then let me ask you this. How much longer could you deal with us. Not going to restaurants. I think until two thousand twenty two another full year. I can do another year of this. I think well you know how you said you cross. You know you said you crossed over and now you're in a zone of acceptance. Do you think you could cross over and again and never be able to come back into like total like like only wanting to live alone and be a quarantine like the quarantines over and you're like my tower writing. I don't need power either. I think you have to get a little weird to make yourself happy during the quarantine gotten a little weird so maybe i could stay their permanently. I don't know i hope not. I miss restaurants. I did too. I missed someone caring for my child. That's so it's like people have way too much time alone loner way too much time together. I don't know anyone who has an ideal situation like when we got our false positive tests. We were quarantined. In this victorian house in alta dina. What's alameda outside of the bay area thinking positive and i'm just like letting our kids just run around the dining room. She's been sitting in a car for six hours. You know some kind of encouraging her to like run around a little bit and then she falls on her face and starts bleeding. And i'm just like okay. I can deal with this positive now. I have the corona virus. Can i also deal with leading first time. So it's just like the quarantine just adds this level and like we didn't end up having having the coronavirus still like everything post so we're telling our listeners. Tricky but everything piling. On like that i would. That would have been crazy. I've such a small pot. I'd be very surprised. If i got it will you. Do you have a pod. I haven't take us through your pod advocacy. You're you don't have to name names but describe the tentacles of it so there's three people it's my best friend from college in his boyfriend and then a person that i'm working with that's it and do they have tentacles that extend outward from them. No they don't so the loop the loop has been closed. It's been closed. It's a close live weight so the person you're working with doesn't have a best friend from college and his boyfriend nelson that person is. That's the loneliest person in the pod. That person could hang out with the best friend. Oh do they hang out. He's been invited us declined. I'm even more about this guy introvert you know. This is kind of a peak era for introverts but it also makes me realize like i talked to mostly moms just because a lot of the people that you know. I'm looking to for like what are you doing. I want to know what other people are doing their kids. But i haven't talked to a lot of friends who have these small pods. But what are single people supposed to be doing oh. I don't think anybody knows what anyone supposed to be doing. Everybody's kinda like trying their best to figure out something that won't make them go mentally insane. I want a friend pod. Well it's made me. She joined up with this introvert. And this gay couple and ricky. So do you think that the people who are who are going out to restaurants in in in like they're like in maybe pods or i i don't i don't know how that's always confusing me. I don't know if it's i think it's different people because it feels like rest outdoor dining would feel safe if you're if you're if it was just pod you know like you're in your pod but you mean sitting next to fifteen other pods who the fuck knows who goes on right. But they're lifting restrictions. I was just talking to todd berry. And he said in new york. It feels even more dangerous. Because you're in these outdoor like umbrellas over you that feel like you know like those plastic containers around. You almost feels like you could get worse sitting in one of those after someone you get your covey atelli or whatever topic. Patient bubble him. I went to new york humber at all. Those restaurants were packed. Those little outdoor things off. You don't need to restaurants any longer. The stay at home order has been lifted for the state of california as it completely. Today's okay dude. Ricky did you not hear. We're back here. But i'm happy in my. I'm happy in my pod. I just i just don't want to get the coronavirus i'm just i just don't need it. I just don't care about restaurants enough to risk it will rookie. Our experience with the coronavirus is. It's not that big of a deal. You get it and then two days later you don't you really don't have it so if i could recommend it. We were so scared. And like i was like. Oh my god. I've given it to my daughter. It was because we went in for that reto because like moshe ranan in his end. Nine five mask to pick up to burritos. There was one other person in the burrito shop but most did say he was standing too close to him and then my friends are texting me and the one friend was like yeah. I heard the new variant is even worse for kids and so it's like it was just horrifying horrifying. Today's because i do think there are still a lot of unknowns rookie. What's your work ethic. I okay ricky. Every day basically. I kind of basically right from ten to four. I have. I have nothing else to do. I just have nothing. I like and then like usually all like workout or something and then i'll like drink a glass of wine and watch a movie. That's kind of what i do every day. I just don't have like it's the weirdest thing when every other actions taken away like i just got like i'm a productive person to begin with and this is just amplified it. It's all. it's the only thing that makes me happy ricky. You know it's funny about that. Is that schedule. That you just described doesn't seem that off to like what we did when we were writing another period or when you're working on something right right basically kept the same schedule. I just don't see people at night. Have you heard about the internet because if you want no i mean if you want something that will keep you busy and keep you distracted without having to do all the work the internet. There's apparently a lot of stuff on there and information. Yeah actually ricky. I have a question now because you are very productive person. One of the most productive people i know i probably wouldn't even have a show on the air if it weren't for ricky because she is very productive and i am a procrastinator. But how do you. And i know you've read a lot of books about how the mind works. How how do you discipline yourself to not just like scroll through instagram all day. How does the mind work like. Honestly it's if you sit in an apartment alone for a year you will start working like it's like. This is not true. Ricky your experiences the opposite of universal so many people are sitting in their apartments going looking at their computer going. Wait a minute. I've had nine months off. And i haven't done anything. What is wrong with my brain. No i think that. I think that your experiences somewhat unique. I think that you are a productive person. And so your quarantine reaction has been productivity. But i think that yeah. A lot of people are going are going way. I should have written five novels. That's how much time i've had off. And all i did was play. You know gears of war for a year. Well here's the good news you have till twenty twenty two. That's right over to like get it together. An office find some sort of i don't know what to do with kids but If you are alone and you feel like there's no excuse you don't have a lot of like time sucks right. Go to go to go to a crowded italian restaurant. Get into clear bubble. No i was talking more about you know. Do things like learn the g. core. Do the thing that you want to do because i think we have a good at least six to eight months left if not a year at what. I think i've always wanted to write a broadway musical. And so that's what i'm doing and it's just like inspiring and fun. I never had time before. You're right now. That i think of everybody out there. That isn't with a romantic partner. Right now is writing a broadway music in the same thing as me. No rookie. Year very inspiring. And that's why. I actually really wanted to do the show because i feel like. She's ricky's the person. I turn to for advice. Probably the most gives you great friend advice. She gives me great everything advice. But i mean she's your friend and gives you all right and ricky. You have this great capacity like for listening. She's always she really listens to you. Which is interesting because she has so much. Energy left her projects but she doesn't have to listen to anyone else. That's the thing. There's a long total blake. I get really excited when someone calls me. Okay well let's let's take a call. Mosier what do you think ricky. We need your expert advice expertise and let's make a call. Hey y'all most would you say my hair is looking it really. Is you know what. Because i use function of beauty. Hair care products like shampoo and conditioner. And i just found out something very big. You never got your function of beauty bottle. We gotta get you some. Because i am telling you we've got very different hair right. My hair is very problematic. I'm afraid that racist. Nobody does have its issues. My hair is very fine. And so if i if i condition it weighs it down but if i wash it needs to be washed every day but then it gets really dry and frizzy right and i got that thick hair. That can nothing can possibly harm beautiful. 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There's no oh hey guys you know what's happening it's it is moshe. Casher natasha from the woods and our friend. Ricky lindell. how you guys doing good are you. What's up with their walls. Are you a kind of a psychopath or have you taken human life. Like what's your. I'm a sports fan. I'm from the bay area and so this is my own. I see yes so basically like in the like early. Twenty tends when my teams were really great. I basically put up every like full page newspaper clippings. They have kept it up there for decades. Yeah yeah i mean you fill up every piece of the wall and you think why bother taking down. I have a question d- when you take girls home do you let them see this wall. Yeah yeah yes i mean. This is my childhood bedroom. So i live Yeah i know we know now. Oh yeah okay. it's not like i'm bringing girls home these days anyway right so let me ask you. How many bottle caps have left to collect before you can get the louisville. Slugger he's cute. You're very sophisticated. How your body and turtleneck are very sophisticated but you're your wall is very boy scout this. I'm twenty to twelve bedroom. That's okay so no help you. Because i feel like oh. I think we could solve it actually wallpaper or paint honestly but definitely get rid of the memorabilia. Put them into scrapbooks. Okay so a few months ago over the summer. I match at this girl on tender and we you know gone along and moved it over snapchat snapchat back and forth you know just pictures basic basic stuff but it all just kind of plateaued from there like we. We've been kind of flirting in and and whatnot. But i know this is a very modern problem. We know yeah. I just like you're like it was slowly escalating it. It did go from tinder to snapchat but we never got to take talk phase. We never took it to that next level. We never google chat it. So what exactly do we do here. I know that's the that's the thing. I mean you would start chatting you would do. I guess these days because incorporate different right what do you think happened. I mean i think both of us are interest levels remain low but nobody had nobody. Nobody had the balls to take it to the next level. We're way why would you take it to the next level if your interest level was low. It's it's like we've there's since we're in quarantine we can't really meet up. We can't really do anything and so nobody nobody's may i hesitate to call it a relationship because we're like snap buddies. I would say not. There's like this attach. I know it's not a relationship definitely not a relationship but there's like there's attachment but no substance you know and so i'm trying to figure out the best way to break this kind of thing off because i think after a few months it's too late to ghost. It's too late to just be like by deal. I think you should try to zoom with her and if she says she doesn't zoom with you than it's over 'cause then she's like giving you definitive idea that she doesn't that she's her. She's confirmed her interest. Level is also and so she wants him with you that it's over naturally and then if she will you can see if you like her. I thought you were gonna say if she wills them with you. You can break up exactly. But i do like that idea because you got to take a risk. That's your. I think i do need to to to to move in one direction of the other because it's been it's been this plateau thing for so long where it's i think it's been almost too long for it to be like the first zooming of like. Hey so what are your interests like. I let this. It's gotten out of hand and hasn't left handed the same point if you know what i mean like. It's been honestly since the summer that we've been just doing like snap snap back and forth and so i feel like it's too long to say like let's break the ice and say okay. So what's your. What kind of music do you was. Nothing is too long. Nothing is too long for anything but i will say that my brother and his wife now met i think their first date was watching saved by the bell that they remembered from their childhood over zoom. So like i do think like you could come up with something fun to do over zoom. That's not like an interview like. Hey do you wanna watch and it can be short. But if she says no then you'd have your answer and if she says yes maybe it would be fun but i think you guys are both missing. I think what the correct me if i'm wrong. Noah noah saying which is. He's no longer interested. He feels like he's been snapping with this girl for too long to just stop altogether. He wants out from a relationship that never developed but doesn't know how to break something. That's so unimportant but yet you just slightly too important to just be like i'll never talk to you again. Yeah because you want to be a good guy and he made it out a little like take longer to write back like everyone knows what that. You're like an expert in that right ricky. Literally you wrote the. You wrote the song on it do that. That's your advice. Watch the video to garfunkel not fade away and then literally follow the advice given in that song right. Yeah i'm trying. I'm trying to find a way out. That's not that's not. Just ghosting not just trying to fade away. Like i need to find a way to broach. The conversation i know is this. So cowardly i'm trying to broach the conversation of like so. Let's actually talk about what we've got going here. Oh you're you're you're trying to have a state of the union address in the hopes that she will also say she'll say you know what this isn't going anywhere and you won't have to do the work of actually the uncomfortable conversation. Yeah yeah exactly. I kind of think ricky's right. If you just start slowly receding rather than stopping you you take two weeks to write back and then you take three weeks to write back and then eventually this will fade. Away is to look noah in my day these kind of relationships they would take place over. Aol instant messenger or on. Geo cities or on yahoo personals. And the same kind of thing would happen. You'd have these long term relationships with people that you've never met but the beauty of that is like you don't really owe them emotional fidelity because like there's a real world out there and ricky's that kind of what you're saying just a slow receding not up ghosting. But what's what's less than a ghost. What is a ghost. What's a cousin of a ghost like a is it like a ghoul. Yeah like a creepy by just a spirit friend level where she doesn't expect to hear that yeah. The thing is that the stakes are so low to begin with that. I feel like they're like i totally could just ghost. I i could say we live like fifty miles a partly. It's not like we're re. We're not gonna meet in person. Oh i know. I haven't quick and easy. Tell her you met someone. Oh yeah. I don't make something up. Yeah why just by lie you say why not. It's like the easiest like i met. I met someone. And then it'll be like oh i have an idea. I have an idea. Spend the next two weeks trying to meet someone and then it won't be a lie when you tell her you've met someone and then also your to in your head about this noah who cares this relationship you care about you should start putting your energy towards something that's like actually you know maybe even making a list of what you want in a partner or finding some new partners or you know just make you know challenging yourself to take some risks with girls. I think that ricky is on something. And i think maybe you could slowly start replacing the pictures behind you with pictures of christy turlington christy turlington. And she's a supermodel from the nineties and then slowly and then take a snap of yourself. And say i met someone. And it'll be all photos of christy turlington and she won't know who it is. 'cause she's you're age so she'll she's a person that you're dating and you just be like by the way is that. Ah let's say pence is that say is there a is there a sportsperson eight pence right hunter on there. I would write hunter pence. I would write hunter pants the baseball player up there if i were all star the all star voting campaign. I'm trust me. I'm not a republican. Just take it down honey right no. I just think it's nice to read hunter pence the baseball player. Not mike pence vice president right all of that. Okay well hopefully. We helped you not here so much. I love the don't want to hurt this business. Like you're a good guy and he definitely gonna meet someone who your interest levels higher end in. You're going to throw them right. Like i loved it. You care enough to call in rations. I think that's really sweet and most people don't have much to do it. Because i feel like since quarantine being single like dating has been almost re purposed. Where like you can only really Text with people online. It's it's not like like. I'm swiping on tinder and bumbling all these places and like saying you're not really looking for someone to meet up with so like because you can't really meet up with people so you really just looking for like a connection of someone to pay attention to you and be attracted to you in kind of basic sense so like what this kind of snapchat thing has done for me is basically just like it's a it's a tiny little endorphin rush of knowing that somebody is paying attention to me because there's some relation these days but of course after that makes total sense. It's got really boring. Yeah and the thing is i. I've i've my have been not cycling through but like meeting other girls and snapchat with them in this in this in this weird way but keeping this but staying with this this this first girl who i guess. I can't seem to get rid of. Because i don't have the balls to do it. Well i think that makes sense what you're saying and i think that one of the weird things about the quarantine is the internet was already slowly creeping ricky natasha and all of the generation where we didn't have the internet when we were young young and then we slowly had the internet and your more of the generation where you've had it your whole life right when i was twenty two. I didn't have a laptop. I don't think twenty two. i don't think so. I think i'd any rate we didn't have cell phones when we were young. You know like so. We've slowly our generation in particular slowly. Watch the internet kind of like tangle itself into our lives and like the the key and we already were feeling the encroachment of the internet that the online world in the real world becoming kind of blurred and the quarantine is like rushed those processes forward. So it's like there really isn't any more difference between the internet and real life dating even dating. The most inner per- in-person interface theoretically now is just a total digital a theory. So it's not like noah your trip and why would you care. You don't even know this girl. It's just a snapchat buddy. There's something more about that relationship than there would have been five years ago especially during the quarantine so i think that that's fair. She's a real relationship even though in a bazaar digital frame and you owe her a little bit more than just some random person that you're like chatting with online and a slow receding. I think is an okay thing to do. Yeah yeah i mean. I think this the slow received my might be my way to go. It doesn't have to be totally over. You can chat with their every once in a while. Total if you are friends with her. Yeah it's it's almost become like. I don't wanna say it feels like a chore to constantly respond to her but it's like it it's no we get it. You're not into her so no. There's never a good time to do a bad thing. You have to do it. You have to figure it out you have to just put it out there and you have to be kind of a not a nice guy and you have to meet someone else like mike pence or hunter pins and you need to get a new backdrop directly you do. We agree okay. Do you wanna ask us something else. Honestly this is what. I came on to talk about and i feel like i have have advanced in my progression of knowing what to do very sweet. I hope i agree with years. You're a nice guy. You're one of the nice guys and that makes me more concerned but that that also makes you more like that's what i wanted from a partner you know. And that's why. I married moshe because he is like that. And i feel like that's like at a premium and people people can tell and so you know. I think that you have a great relationship in your future. Because that's such a sought after quality. Well thank you the best of luck to you. Know this quarantine will end soon and you'll get back to being rejected in person can't wait can't all by noah nice talking to you too. I think that was interesting to me. Because he's he is experiencing what were experiencing from a slightly more bird's eye view which is a relationship like that it's simultaneously more than meaningless but less than meaningful. and so. You're like god. A barely deserves a break-up but it also would be rude to not break up like how do you manage these digital weird digital relationships. I just feel like everyone kind of knows. What's what these days like. I think he started to write back to her less. She would term interest to someone right or is she asking fourteen or she asked him straight out and then you'd have to tell her and she already. You're asking someone you already know. There did you ricky. Have you had or natasha. have you. Had those kind of bizarre internet Are interface was weird because there was less technology but these relationships where it's like you'd email or im back and forth for for a year and never meet the person and then slowly just they leave your life and you're like why was i bothering what was did you have any of those i never had. That's weird no that's weird. I don't think it's weird. I think i never met them. Yeah i had a lot of different things like that. Where people that i would. I had found in like some corner of the internet. We were like we were. We started flirting. But then eventually it was like well. This person lives in la. And i am in the bay area or ohio and then we just sort of keep communicating but there was no sort of end game. I had no. I think i'm older talking about when i was like twelve thirteen years old. No nothing now. Oh maybe fifteen sixty said actual fuck off. Because i also feel like i. I was definitely never meeting people online. Maybe it's weirder. I don't know. I just feel looking for people online but i also went out all the time i went out either to a comedy show to a music event to if i'm talking when we were teenagers young teenagers not like when we were cool. Well then i was older than you. And i didn't have the internet right now. Dial up but it was like charged you by the minute like i would. I would like making a long distance call back. I don't think i would have been allowed to have a chat room buddy. I had a girlfriend. That's very patronizing. Your dad's kind of like charged by me. No i deserve to be patronized do for having a digital friends. There were even dating apps. No but i feel like i'm not alone in this. I feel like that's a thing like right when the internet hit. We were also enamored of it that we started just going on and been like who are you what. Maybe that's just me. We didn't have a home computer. And when i was in college the first year i remember having to go to computer lab i i had a girlfriend when i was young. But not a girlfriend this is. I don't know if i've told this story before on this podcast but is very funny. I was like an identity crisis white person that thought he was black and i got set up with an identity crisis white person that she was mexican and she. She lived in san francisco and i lived in oakland. That's not far. It's fifteen minute bart ride and we would call and text and chat on the internet and then we would dedicate oldies to each other on the oldies station. Like this one goes out to cecilia. In the mission district. In san francisco it's smokey robinson's tracks of my tears. 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Do i still have sex with unitas or does dan do that to actually now can only have sex with chelsea very strict Okay so yeah. So watch it january fourth. I think you can stream everything then you you can watch all the episodes you it okay. Now we're going to call jamie in washington dc. Oh wow it's a it's a two man day hello jamie. You're the second man we've spoken to. Today i would say our primary advice. Caller is a nineteen year old girl. And the second handsome young bloke that we've found today let's say good to be here. Thank you so much really excited about this. It's me moshe at or its main tasha a my husband moshe and our friend. Ricky lynn home. Yes hi i'm big fan. Great great to meet all of you. Virtually nice meeting you too quick question. You're in dc. How how was rushing the capital last week. Did you feel alive or crazy for you. I i mean we were just watching it on. Tv like oh that's near school or you weren't there no thank god We i yeah not a patriot. I guess okay moesha's trying to make it seem like like your One of the rabble rouse. That's throat natasha. That's what i'm trying to do. So jamie you're in dc. You've got an obama poster at your shoulder you are. What's what do you wanna deal. Are you in politics. No so i am a college senior And after graduation. I'm going to be a software engineer and i'm moving to new york. Cool all right all right. So how can we help you. So i've been in a relationship for two years now with my girlfriend And it's going really really well but After graduation she's planning to move to los angeles to try and become director on whereas i'm going to be in new york as a software engineer. So we've been trying to navigate. That's gonna work out whether one of us will have to compromise whether or just well. we'll have to keep things going on. And so i'd love some advice on navigating those conversations or decisions let me just pits real quick that this could be a fantastic romantic comedy. She could direct you know. I mean compelling stuff. She's a director. You're a software engineer. The it rights itself dude right right. Have you guys live together. We have So he moved in for last semester She took the semester off. And i was living in an apartment off campus and she lived with me for three months. Wow this is tax. Because i like if you you go to. I mean not to be too harsh. But i feel like if you guys go to different cities. It's not gonna work out. Yeah i mean we've done a lot of long like but especially if you guys are both at the beginning of your careers and and that takes the most energy that you've ever needed like that's what really is hard about being ambitious you know. And that's why it's very smart. Sometimes wait to have a family and wait to. Have you know you want to kind of be travelling light to make your dreams come true if room through smart or if like family is like your main goal then that's different and you guys should compromise for each other to build the family that you know that you want to have with her. I guess yeah. Do you have a job end up in new york or you just hoping to get one. I have a job lined up. So i started in september. You go into the office or is it going to be digital They still haven't told us I i think the plan is to be going into the office. They'll yes. I have thought ricky where you look. You thought you thought. I was just thinking that advantage of the pandemic is everything's on zoom right now so like conceivably one of you guys could try to start your career on the other coast. You know. it's maybe especially her especially new york like if she's getting. But i don't know i i know you're making a good point ricky. It's like it's a funny time to be like. I'm sorry. I just have to go to la to make it as a director. I've got to get out there. It's like we mean out there there is no out there. You're just going sitting in an apartment in la. Just wanna get up three hours earlier and try and do some zooms from our apartment in new york but there might be some resentment if one goes to the race and tries to do it on zoom. So one thing you could do is just say like why. Don't we just like do our thing and we'll check in six months and talk to each other as much as we want because part of it you have to kind of believe his fate in a way you know like. Are you guys meant to be together. Aren't you well. I think that's really smart. And i have said on this podcast a lot before. I think a lot of the times by the time people call in here. Not that people really turn to us for like. You're my only hope because we are a comedy. Podcast i get it. You'd go to a therapist had real problems. But by the time people call in i would say a high percentage of them kind of somewhere in their gut already knows the answer. They just want to say it out loud and have somebody else kind of acknowledged. Reality and like the impression i'm getting. Is that you kind of know that the right thing for both of you to do is to strike out on your own and that you know being with somebody. The last two years of college translate into. I'm going to force this to work. We need to go have our own adventures and find what our lives are like. That's what i'm getting from you just in the five minutes. I've been talking to you and i don't think that that's the wrong take and there's an apple in relationships that are like you just have to have in common like this city. You wanna live in if you want children. There's a couple things like they have to be the same. You can't wanna live in different places. It's just it's only in. It's only a few things it seems like you wanna live in different places and the problem with Do you want to have children as you guys might not know yet. I didn't know. I wanted to have children till i was forty. So that's that's hard to beyond that like when you're twenty two twenty two twenty two twenty two and getting out of college and she's young too. It's like not to say that people don't stay together from that age because they definitely do natasha's best friends got together younger than that and they've been together forever but a lot of times. It's like well. I wanna go have a life and figure out adventures and make mistakes and not just do the adult choice of being with the person i love but i wanna like go out and fuck my life up and then find out what stories there are there. And i'm going to new york and you're going to la and maybe we'll reconvene in two years or maybe maybe we won't go there and you really can't live without her. Maybe i'll go to la right. Totally can live without her you. Yeah i think as of now we're both in it for as long as we can be But and we've done a decent amount of long distance just over breaks and stuff but We've kind of said yeah. We're both moving somewhere with no plans to reconvene ben or not sure what that means so sorry. That sounds very very difficult. I can just feel your heart break. I'm i'm really sorry. This sounds really like very tough. Yeah i it is But also rookie right but also it's sad and it's also really kind of exciting that you get to not only do you get to go have adventures but you get to allow this woman who care so much about to not be like emotionally entangled and held back from having the experience that she's supposed to have with her foray into adulthood and that's what they call. I mean that is that book. I was telling you about the road less traveled. We talked about it before. That's how it describes love actually love actually the greatest film that's how it describes the plot to love. Actually no that's what it describes a lot. Actually as is it's not the feeling you get. It's the desire for that person's well being above everything else. You want for the other person for them to be happy. And that's what you're allowing. I think for both yourself and the good news is she's going to l. a. And you know there's not a lot of people preying on young people moving to la trying to get get into the entertainment industry should be fine faithful. I think thanks for that. My heart son much lighter. No there's no safer place for a young aspirational woman in the entertainment industry than the heart. The belly of the los angeles. No problem so i mean. At least she just wants to be a director. That's like twelve percent safer not safe but it's just. It's a little better than wanting to be an actress. That's true okay. Well good luck honey. Seem like a good person. 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Urine okay person you're gonna carve me up like it's just one. Oh i love you know. I love obama. That's not close the blinds and lock the door. You know how bad comedian like member new over two young canadians houses how bad their rooms would be like. You know. these are like young dc. Guys they don't know how to decorate sir and they put into some weird frame them is broken all god. I just thought of something. You probably have if you live in. Dc and your bachelor. You probably have to put up some kind of posters something to let like girls. You know you're taking home know that you're like on the right side of on just over your. Yeah you probably. There's probably like a signifier right because there must be so many like young republicans moving there. Do you guys think fucks better in their prime trump or obama. I don't know dude you got okay. Looked trump is always in your head. Fuck putting your hatred for trump aside. No he has money in his flash think about what he was like in nineteen eighty three when he was doing coke at the At studio fifty four. He's got to have some skills right. I don't think so. I have to hard to picture like carrying about another person. And that's fair other people are with needs. You're on okay. That's fair the way he looks at michelle like yeah they he's cut. You're probably right. I am very confused. Yeah motion is implying. That trump has been is good in bed or has been asking by question. I may ask the questions that a lot of you liberals won't ask and i'm willing to go there. You have to know that exists does follow human beings to be. You're right ricky. You're totally right. Okay bill clinton or obama. Clinton the in their prime. You say clinton 'cause freak these a free. He likes to do freaky shit. Yeah and he's got that sexy voice and he probably whispers in your ear. The or hillary clinton or justice sotomayor. I don't know. I don't think this conversation is no longer productive. Clinton interesting like power. Fuck it yet. Because she got bill and she's got some dark. I think there could be some hidden. There did get bill because bill is like he was pretty. He seemed like a pretty eligible bachelor more more to the point. She didn't leave bill. So you're like what's really going on this family. Like is she like abil-. Yeah the intern. Go forward or what like what what was really happening right. Lovers like sort of you so like balanced and healthy and light such together women. That like i'm going. I'm going to go. Clinton won something weird ricky about the supreme court. My brother just told me Everyone on the supreme court is either jewish or catholic and that's been true pretty much exclusively for the last hundred years and for some weird reason. Those are the people that get nominated to the supreme court by. I don't really know but it's to everyone. Currently on the on the supreme court is jewish or catholic. Wow yeah i guess and then is it going through that. Who's who's under underrepresented. Protestants the most populous religious denomination in america. But i mean clinton muslims and hindus and stuff like that to but you're kind of like okay. well. I understand why that that access hasn't been granted protestants they run. They run the country. Maybe they can't be bothered. I can't be bothered. I'm sure they could be bothered. That weird bizarre takes. Who's the new name. What's the new lady. She's a very catholic. What's her name. Coney barrett wait is that her. I thought for a second was referencing cavs accuser and i was like no no no. I shouldn't just lane on the maximum. I wish her the best honestly. I wish her the best we'll ricky. That was so great. I really think you help them and they weren't very good. Say as a woman this this episode kind of made me excited to see like how how sweet these boys are. Yeah these are like nice guys like looking for real love and treating women like people. It seems hopeful. It does seem like maybe the era of like the toxic barbarian is a little over. You know how it'd be nice. I think not over. Obviously they still exist. But i feel like as the dominant culture i also feel like the era of like the meek like beta nerd is over like i think that coming into the next era is the kind of like masculine good man. I think that's the next. Hopefully the next allied the next version yet. But just but just like i felt when trump got elected. I said i think to commercial. I was like. Oh this is the end of the like nerd as a cultural like i. Yeah i'm proud. I'm a nerd and i'm proud. I was like this is a blow back to that and like i think like masculinity in a way that doesn't feel like you know the toxic is kind of like what's next. That'd be nice orca lumberjack. Who can write poetry that be nice. Well it it would it comes from a sensitivity and considering someone else and i think that men instinctually can sometimes be a little off putting because they're so filled to the brim with their testosterone. Were also with the with a social construct construction and programming. That says that their needs are so important. It's very easy. Like i started to realize thinking about this stuff. Unless you're the men and women are locked into the same cycle often. It's like men. Are the aggressors in the cycle but women are also dancing. The dance where it's like men's need paramount men. Sexualities about getting women's sexuality is about allowing everybody's kind of locked in this. Yeah just filling. Everybody's kind of locked in this same like oppressive stupid dance. And i sort of feel like young. People are kind of deprogramming. Do think. Yeah because even like the other night we were talking about like you know i. I always feel weird like initiating a kiss you. Because like i just feel like my whole life i was like. Oh i'm going to be pursued. I am a woman. And so i'm not going to pursue man but you know maybe that that's just like something that actually was literally. My mother told me she was like. You're not to call boys. You are not to let me. She told you that it was definitely on that. That was my programming. Yeah and i was always like you more than what they have to like you more than you like them or it's not gonna work but it was crazy. Why would you even want. Why don't you want someone that you don't like as much like the bill but it is interesting. Also seeing the twenty two year olds. He asked for advice. Because they're so innocent like they have yet to data sociopath they yet they haven't been through the cycle like like. Why are they so great already. You're forty anyone. You date has already dated a sociopath. They've already dated like they've already been through like small much pain that it is like a nicer level. There's a nicer baseline now than when i was totally like everyone's been through it and it's just like they don't want it they don't wanna go through anymore they just want to like see Work and then or not. That's that's totally. That's totally true and fascinating and also when you are the first time you do data sociopath. Your experience level is so low. You're not aware of what's happening and you're like oh are people just. Is this normal as this. How you're supposed to be treated and it takes you a long time to go. Oh no wait. This is a cab not forget that. Sociopaths are highly intelligent and can figure out how to manipulate you. So when i've dated them when i was really young they would start like messing with my head you know and then they start degrading your confidence and then you don't know which way is up or what you're doing and then you get like attached to them and what you're married to them in your trailer maybe you'll have different world and i would argue maybe a better world then deal totally right. You're still like vulnerable to the stuff in the afterwards you do it is you are kind of but you're also like you don't waste your time on garbage. Why sometimes i think that's true. That's why sometimes. I do think there's some wisdom it's not for me but there's some wisdom to this idea where it's like no. You shouldn't just marry the first person you fall for because like there's so much more Innocence and lack of callousness. If you haven't fucked fifty people one hundred people then you're not going to go like well. This is boring ever. You're going to be like this is sex. Wow cool. I love sex and emotionally. That's sort of not forget. Sociopaths can fuck yeah they can and they have motorhomes how you found out like one day that they were like in one moment where they relate everything on you. I had that happen whenever and they were different per what happened. The he just like went out for a cup of coffee came home and was a different human with like a different reality. And i was like i didn't know what was going when i didn't know what was going on. How do you interpret that. Do you think like a like he was a monster. The whole time or that he had a psychic break on the walk. I'm not sure. I think amounts the whole time. I think you dislike was like playing relationship and then was like relationship now. I'm going to be this thing and the news like and then was like totally over our whole thing. The second that happened like the second switched. She was like onto a new life. Never thought about me again. I believe that truly scary. That is so scary. I mean in a weird way. It's kind of like the idea like he. Did you a favor letting you know who really was. Oh total in an with us this break up because it was like whoa. This man's a monster. And so i never wanted it back. You like better than him going for a walk one day. Ten years into your marriage and coming back and be like i'm going to kill you. Yeah well i. I feel very hopeful for this new generation. Because i do think that programming is part of it too. I think that you know just thinking that you can ask out a guy or if your guy you can be more sensitive and really you know show show that. I don't know they did seem sweet to a two man kinda day. I'm i can't wait to see your broadway show ricky whatever. It is for probably four years. But it's okay. Also it's like broadway like what is your prediction. What happens do is there any have you. Do you have any information. Like how is broadway going to stay. God ms linda shows but people aren't going to be going until summer right now. I'm in my apartment. Like i have. They're not letting me now. I have no idea. They're not awaiting the arrival of all. No i know. I'm just trying to think like even like earner brain like what do you think can be years. Those seats are so close together. Those theaters are stolen. God imagine that. Imagine being comedy in a in an old squad but it's everyone's touching both sides. Oh well i'll tell you what. Their solutions are not going to be good for performing which are spacing out seats and really want him crammed together because that walls between the performer in the audience literally. The fourth wall sucks. Well you know what maybe they'll also turn your musical into a movie. I should've been becton. Flex all look look. We're all kicking ourselves for not investing in plexiglas. That's all we've all been thinking about. Well ricky i feel like we've kept you long enough. These are your prime working hours. I know so. Thank you for joining me. Okay we'll see you for t very sin. Okay thanks rookie by well tosh. I know you're feeling excited about the future man. But i think i'm doing pretty good for the past man. You are and the reason that i am doing so well. Yeah because i found somebody who. I love me love. Yeah i love it here is trying to take the lead o go for i love you. Do a little more aggressive. I love you. Oh well i love you too.

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Every Mother Counts with Christy Turlington Burns

Raising Good Humans

1:05:31 hr | 1 year ago

Every Mother Counts with Christy Turlington Burns

"The following podcast is a deer media production end who is an incredible and passionate advocate and childbirths that are not the events that we hope for and realized nation with a consistently rising maternal mortality rate and we spend since giving birth to her first child she went on a mission to change things every mom counts and since one of the things that Christie does groups of a community that want to run for mothers so much and I think this is going to be really an interesting conversation and time to check in with ourselves and think about how important about you know every once in a while wet one mom is doing to take on can do to serve you and promote compassion and your children answer that's our goal is to make pregnancy and childbirth safe for every any other countries around the world we would love to do more but it's already have limited access or good access to services and Gordon not only because our children will have a better chance at being healthy people but in a woman's life like to have that opportunity to survive and thrive in three thousand girls and women say girls because Girls Ages fifteen then which is may or may not be accurate it's very very hard to get good even as carefully as we are right now in the global arena for disability or discomfort or trauma related to the birth of their children or child a big one and so much is preventable exactly so globally a lot that's a lot considering where a fully developed country with incredible spend more per capita than any other developed country in the world on healthcare very broken and dysfunctional the countries where you're not seeing as many maternal also have a medical systems where maternity care and the options love community health workers you have family docs you have like a whole range of people Bruce ways to address some of the some of the challenges the people all the time because it's so fascinating because people often wonder we'll wait that much time to go into the details but I guess in the nineteen thirties which is sort of went teaching it's wonderful self that it is now or self instant whatever it is those scenarios that's fine you know there was healthcare being provided within the home which needs met in her home was the best way to make sure that she got healthcare at all does that grandparents have TV does up you could sort of take a check of what what the in medicine search come they were always in teaching hospitals the men not wash his hands deliver a baby like they did and they didn't have that full understanding suddenly we we change something in the system which then says let's put everyone Dr to deliver your baby and now you know layers and layers and layers of you know so when you look over the history and you saw that for some time we made gotten under starts to go the opposite direction meanwhile the rest of the world is doing the complete infant deaths with some very simple solutions education like it's it's the cultures and communities and institutions so that's pull that whereas the right place for the best place to become a mom and then also what were the oh that kind of skips to a lot of the sort of treatment of respect or disrespect it is a line of defences bad mom where are you here what did you do on the child that has become much more important that a preterm birth is normal and it's almost encouraged here even in the best hospitals in the country experiences in the neck you what's the right word for Diana that hot me out were old but I really feel like neither can exist without the other the mother or the child other just experience his it's devastated antedates all these other things that your long-term not impossible but it's a much much bigger challenge off all throughout the rest of our lives but that you know early childhood infancy is where you really the whatever birthing class I took I can't remember and I had such a different mindset and I educator was she was saying something that said you know like you don't WanNa be in Oh you know not going not showing up when you you know I think you need to write and I remember cow and hospitals the most sterile plus you can get and I feel so safe there 'cause I will you know it's has it's this idea that you have to meet people where they are and for and I was willing to if things had gone a different way that I would have been fine but you were starting also had this really negative association hospital not that that was the cause of his death bet worse but for me just that little bit of sharing that part of my story just kind of all that behavior was modeled what was the experience of your interaction with healthcare point hadn't been setting where I wasn't I wasn't walking birth rate right so but it's it's it's being able to spend enough time with I'm taking the best possible care of yourself at this time I mean there are a lot of linkages to the things that people don't talk about because there's so much it's set additionally do because they there's a model of care that they provide which is taking tyree productive years as opposed to this is the doctor the specialist you need when you're becoming a mom and there's a lot of effort right now bringing the pedia into this conversation because they tend to be br you know the data are showing that this actually does affect softer or was true it's changing how hopefully started talking we were talking about Housing Silo D- right everything is and so when you think this may be a you know hopefully a lot before they but if they have a lot of times that's it right away the passing off to the pediatrician. You can't leave unless a pediatrician has that the at least trying to change but then then they move on and we so it is this weekly you'll see your pediatrician even show you like the example of the universal healthcare they integrated system of health women's pregnant ask or you have the option as well to have an ob you have the baby the nurse a lot of women have said Oh you know that's such a pain I don't need it and it's an intrusion on my like my bonding living and that's the person who we usually recognized first of all be able to coach and give some of that early all of those things and she can look and again I was saying earlier with with the way midwives to here in the of or the the the the goal of empowering right it's it's not what it is wins even though it's actually really effective and important but then you're you're already uh-huh pathetic and helpful and supportive but either way you can feel shit you Thomas Self selecting like what program do you what program do you are you eligible for what are you knowledgeable we have this one film series called gave birth in America and in one of them that focuses on maternal robin she comes down and suddenly eligibility is very very different but are and now I'm there and now I don't have healthcare now I don't have any coverage at all and I have added stress of raising other ones and and physically going through with and there's a lot taking into account that like what does mom do that's looking for work that checkups and dragging the you know the kid and the stuff you don't have the work arounds and they don't have the ability and certainly don't have it's really it's a wonder as many people come through it they're an Obgyn visit at the same time like why isn't there somebody standing or sitting there on you know I got to see the place where she works and how the setup is and so there are poisoning everything freshman you'd have to get started in your your new life and so I saw has guess what a lot of women if one of the other one of around fifty percent or pregnancies are unplanned so if women are any situations got the extra care or birth control or you know not what you're thinking the legal kind but these mushrooms are still trims and adoption agendas with coffee CA- cow Latte protein powder vity and creativity fun fact lion's Mane Mushrooms have long been used by the Buddhist so no these rooms do not contain Silla Sivan but they will help your brain taste that way at all no sense it tastes just like regular coffee or calories as I said it's organic it's Vegan it's Paleo at sugar-free personally for me that's a good thing because I have coffee and of course there's a special offer for the raising good humans audience you women's at checkout that's S. 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Tell me about the races that you do races they're not racists you can engage other parents to be healthier by doing them M- announce I like to call it bouncing up and down than forward been really I I started the organization in two thousand ten how to personal wait on this kind of journey to go back to school public hall to make a film around the world you did was it part of your masters no although in retrospect you probably to what was happening globally particularly particularly first globally before much here for me to do and I didn't know right away what that was going to be but it sort of it's sort of unfolded should be public health and a lot of the physicians especially who are working development that I was oh this idea of like population health it's just it's family health like it's just so and at the same time I had the idea after a trip to Peru where I from the highlands and just seeing it and seeing how they were able to do I want it to be that I have this experience I can I can share it like word of mouth semicircle but I I applied started the interview interviews for the film and like did it all the way through aware where would I focus like global problem but where do you begin because I saw the president of Tanzania's speak it was like the head of the African Union at the time and he was sort of I had some history I'd spend some time there and I love the country so that was way I made that Guatemala my mother's Mel Salvador which is right next to Guatemala Guatemala Lake Peru appellation more than fifty percent marginalized than the most marginalized people Tom People in my sort of origin story but linked to what I saw that you're very much at war at the time and so we looked at another place where incredible history but there are people that have had so many challenges as well but they also have this constitution that is golden it is like they have some of the best laws of a written ship thought leadership come in and like recreate it properly so it's actually very impressive very interesting and I thought well rounded sort of vantage at this issue and then I could build these relationships which has been the biggest asset ever China's or are on governing bodies of foundations or the united and every Mo- every mother counts evolved out of that first film this isn't just something that I can contribute which was my initial goal was like make this film which was just a tiny piece of what needed to happen but it was a really with the film all over the world I went back to each of the country's multiple times to screen it with the people that were development goals and so like suddenly or in the center of a conversation a small group of people were paying attention for does he an easier way to connect exactly staying on track everybody else but now as the Millennium Development Goals have was formed to continue to bring those those voices right to amplify when women the providers the people who take care of them so in every film and we've made now more than twenty solutions what's going on and what can we do to fix it no I've seen some of them they're extraordinary or pretend that solutions are easy or because they're definitely not Ah motivate motivation research you have to believe there's at least a fifty percent yeah no yeah that they can make a difference they'll be much more likely to do something if it's too overwhelming the big global challenges so what are the bite size pieces that people has I am I am I think I say out loud that at some point I'll do it yes you're doing I wanna be a part of and so the racist Kinda came about that way and so we got to reach out with like here's Tom Spots run in New York City Marathon and marathon that's and I think they thought like auction them off do whatever you want to do with their coveted spot I'm Gonna I'm GonNa run it and you can't auction them off to other yeah not do it yes Komo almost immediately the connection to our organization and our mission became in house to walk for basic care of any kind twenty six point two which is a marathon and if I was you know Oh that hurts I wasn't really a it wasn't a runner I mean I call myself an athlete every mile every mother every mile every mother women have to walk miles and I can choose who saw do it like oh wow that was really cool you do that again I want to join your team so who are running they're running for themselves in the sense that it's a goal and it's good and and so when I'm out there I mean you wanna cry the whole time you're running because you feel really over time it allowed us to let people participate in something and they didn't experienced runners who said Oh I don't I've never really linked it to a cause but you know what actually I did have a complication I actually the conversation at into the fold and then it created this sense of loyalty to the organization because to advocate for something that they care about and believe in that thought like that's a movement yes and there's a whole there's a training I chose a walk run method people do like a four started couch to five k. last because I knew the your that a woman has to take yeah to get to the care healthcare what else we do we do lots of screen events because I mentioned the film and the storytelling which is so important so dented at middle school high schools you bring man and you bring a couple of expert conversation and to get more at the lake how does touch me and what can I further ask the question a pretty exciting time it's a very difficult time but that has advocacy and policy efforts around sort of global maternal health and they canal people there's an there's an openness in a in a human right in my mind my my belief in my strong opinion but when you can be a mom deserves to have a child mentally like you know like you start with like what universal have been introduced eight years ago nine years ago we were there then suddenly they got maternal mortality reviews which is important a lot of states in this country don't really look every death and we don't do that for every death here with maternal with maternal deaths incurably so at least to agree on like how do we define a maternal death versus or not only coverage with Medicaid but also like health care like by country because we have a very rural part of our lots of rural parts of our country more opportunities than so that leaves a lot of sort

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581 - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

Your Mom's House

2:20:16 hr | 5 months ago

581 - Your Mom's House with Christina P and Tom Segura

"Hi mommy's and show mos and mcqueen's above eighteen. This episode was recorded a few weeks ago. before we had an incident where my husband was playing basketball against bert kreischer and Well you'll hear the whole story eventually but basically he's in the hospital right now. He's doing okay. He's recovering but this episode was recorded. Awhile back so you'll notice. We don't address the fact that tommy is possible. Okay enjoy it and we'll see you soon. tom You had a really neat idea for the waiting room. Yes what if there was a lady they hired to rub your genitals over your pants. Waiting rooms like the dennis office. Your so when you're waiting you. Just she's old. She's really old but she knows how to do. It sat dot mattress company. I've been in love with this company for almost a decade. now they have been with your mom's house. They were our first sponsor why we wanted a mattress and we were. We didn't have a lot of money. 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The shit go there to buy your next mattress and get two hundred twenty five dollars off your next purchase sought for dot com slash. The shit for two hundred twenty five dollars off your next sofa mattress. Thank you were up there. Tomo- welcome to another episode of your mom's house podcast. She's christina p. I'm serra you are in. You made it your here chest it you're just at. I wanna make you feel like you're the only one you're the only one for me. Viewer tummy sner k. Tell you that. I went to i. I was at the spy. Got mass is and the lady had a hard time pronouncing cigaret- which you say we'll overwhelmed sometimes by the collection of letters. It silly i know but they see laughing. They see like b g and then there's a you and they're like oh there's something foreign going on here yeah. I run sometimes on the phone once. I'm on the phone. I think it's a pretty easy last name but lady was like hi mr and the she goes mr like that and i was like cigarettes you cigar. She was like you know. I'm just gonna say this time. And i was like i didn't think it was but it happens. Yours is much more intimidating. That's why i changed it to just one letter. 'cause it is intimidating. I understand why people can't ski pe- as e. s. I t. z. Kyi that's what. I what i when i knew i loved. You learned to send you can spell. My last name is really friends. Oh yeah i like when i you know. My a comedy club will spell your last name wrong. And you're like you couldn't like that. He's just a google search. That's it and they're like we're busy. Or they use the headshot that's fifteen years from when we first started in comedy. And then they think you did. It will be like christina really. Yeah yeah yeah. I didn't do that. We know you're not that young. I didn't send that in. Love is so lazy just fucking typed my name in richer. I knew a comedian. A female comedian who had head shots taken herself when she was like way. Young skinny and like in a bikini. And that was her headshot for comedy clubs for the longest time. And then you know she turned thirty eight forty and it was still up in the club owner. We get mad. You need to show up looking like this girl in the hedge. I'm sorry i'm not as hot. Show me that you like me. That's that's the only when you're not hot. You don't have to worry about not being hot anymore. I've never had this worried. That's so true when you let are so hot ride that oh it's terrible. I imagine you have when you're a model. That sucks you. Age out of modeling at like thirty. That's it. that's retirement age thirty. Yeah they're already like your vet. You know what i'm done. Yeah oh yeah yeah. I think it's good to be just good looking enough. I feel as though you and i are at that level where you're just attractive enough. That people aren't repulsed by your presence. Mostly but you're not. I'm sure it's not your whole existence. Your looks like people aren't always noting. Your how great. I know i kind of. I know this sounds br. I even go. Oh i think it's it's kind of a curse for these like really you're see somebody and they're so good looking. We have just like your like dude and then you realize let's all anybody set thinks when they see like this person is like a genetic free. Yeah there marvel. And then basically the people who i think engage. That person don't ever care like the person thinks or says or encourages it or anything. They're just like look at you know and so those people usually respond the best. That people don't acknowledge that's so true. We were having lunch the other day. Do you remember and that gorgeous family walks in and there was this this man and i was just tall as can be chiseled features beautiful skin and i just turn a tom and i got. This guy is like beyond even desirable. He is cardboard cutout children. Yeah and the wife and the children are just so gorgeous. I thought i don't even wanna fuck this guy because he's to appreciate that. You know what i mean. Give me a little slow. Just like let me see a little weird sweatpants. I just see the outline of your dung and it's a little big little big. Yeah i you know. He was not wearing. He was not wearing sweatpants. Wishing would have i wish. How would you know it's too big because imagine because every he's very big man to just it okay. Are we done talking about him. He was at the erawan anti with his children is. Why do i know that. That's where that nagging thing work. Because i have gone dirty lewd woman before and been like. What's up you fucking dog. Oh my it's not true. You did not see that. What's up you fucking dog. She was like oh my god yes because it was so outrageous to say to her. And say you can't say that day anybody unless they are so perfect looking that it'd be becomes a joke. There is this comedian. I toured with the middle east. Chris i remember his last name now. He was so funny at the time. I was much thinner than i am now. And he's like oh look at you anna nicole like he was like unlike am i. That fatty is like oh you barely on the boat. And i'm like oh you're kidding. That's a good line but it was really funny. Yeah yeah you can only say that to really good looking people you know well like just like i'll walk. I've walked up to like ufc fighters and be like i'll fuck you up and they left because it's the only if you say that like a normal person they'll be like oh do you. Are you trying to fight. You know to somebody can kick your ass. I agree that the pressure of being hot and then maintaining your 'cause i follow. Paulina porous cova on instagram. And she's doing this thing. Which i understand the motivation behind. It seems noble. Where she's like. This is me when i wake up in the morning with no makeup on. I'm you know fifty whatever years old look at my love my written. It's like well if you really weren't if it weren't such a problem for you probably wouldn't make a big deal out of it. She was with the guy from the car and disowned her. Essentially that was awesome. Yeah he divorced her. Yeah she left him and in the will the will. He left her nothing he was like. I'm because you abandoned me you get nothing ricco casick. That's that's how you say. I don't know how to say his last name. Rick rick acing. Yeah they were together for so many years to children together. And also what i found. Is that if a model makes a child with just like an unattractive rockstar. Their offspring is not as pretty as to to mildly attractive. People sure oh she made public debut. Go the one before with the guy. Yesalis you who it is. Oh you know. I wanna talk about dude. Jeff bass owes you mentioned that. Oh she's fifty four. So you mentioned that. Jeff bezos second wife is fifty fifty. And i was like that's so rabbit that his second wife. That's his slammed peace. No no no. It's who he divorced his his longtime wife four is a who. He's got a relationship with this other lady now but i'm so impressed that he went for a fifty year old lady but she's not quite she's a banger put together. Yeah again. yeah wow. Let's see another fun. That i've done like the joke to somebody like i met a couple of people in wheelchairs after After shows yeah. And i'll be like They'll say something. I'll be like. Hey man if you if you're trying to want you stand up you're going to talk to me and they'll be like Okay cancel or i'll I'll challenge do a race. You want race. it's fun you know. They can't run. It's a fun fun. Can you make girly nine. She's gorgeous still to this guy. He's an older guy right freaks. Yeah scared. I don't know who this is but i like him money. He looks like yeah. You know it's a wealthy guy. Yeah to him like you know those linens walking down the street barefoot. Our thousand dollar shoes. Strange In my salon screenwriter. Ed solomon okay as a screenwriter. All right he looks like a larry. David a little when and the attire. Oh yeah he's a little more blessed in the face though. I would say sure. An harry's got a lot of hair sheesh. he's so happy to be there so happy. He's just like used me as a toilet. He selects great. Use the toilet. I'm sure it's what he's saying. You think he wants our her to pee on his face core. Every guy does every guy. Does they see pauline. They go there. You're in yes it is sterile. You can drink it and everybody wants it. Paulina's she's so gorgeous. Remember back in the day the eighties nineties. She was so gorgeous. Country looks incredibly wellings zinc. Oh yeah that's genetics. Probably but you don't wanna be that attractive. I argue that it's too much too much because they need the pressure to maintain it. That's the thing the only the ones where it's really natural like were they really are. I mean she didn't adding yeah. Yeah yeah i mean going back. Genetics are just wild I mean she's no the other one didn't age at all. I think i've said it before. Christy turlington christy turlington liberty turlington. Like being a kid. And it's like all these years later it's genetic but if you look at her now. She looks exactly like her heyday prime stunning crying out loud. I mean she doesn't look right. The news it's wild. And cindy crawford to and her kids actually really cute. We'll know he got a face tattoo but before that. Oh my god. He was modeling for gucci. Or some shit. i mean. She's stunning i. Of course now. They are freaks freaks. But you know everybody's beautiful now right. Nope that's one thing i love that. He's got beautiful. The modeling lane model. And you're like you do you. Not what are you model for the fucking vet. 'cause you don't look like a human model you know. I agree and i look. Instagram model is legit. And you can make a lot of money. Sure but i unless a company hires you. That's the thing if you post a picture that someone took a picture someone said yeah. I mean that everybody is a model. Yeah mean modeling are you. Are you a sex feet taller. Five six. I think your modeling career is over like. Let's let's be realistic here. I know especially the really miles. It really pissed me off. Marginally attractive models. I you have no clear like real gifts. You know like you're like okay you have a somewhat symmetrical face. You're not fucking mum. No get out. But now you can't say that now you have to say that everybody's beautiful and you can be weird looking. I mean i don't mind all these people are in like this is like this is interesting to look at. It's not be. This is not what i'm talking. I'm talking about people who are you. Would you would like. Yeah that person's attractive but like the audacity of you to be like. I'm a model your marginally attractive you know. I know you're talking about in la la seven. Yeah exactly like year in la. You're still good for la right. Like i'm not gonna spit on you if it's a blind date and you show up right. Let's not act like you're a fucking ten. You're not in la or or new york ten. I go even bigger. Because i would say i would argue. That new york city has even more. The women are look. There's the fast la we've got people that are like personal trainers who also are very attractive. But they're not exactly a lot of personal trainers sweat themselves. You know why they got the bod not such. That's much in the face you go. You got a great body. You should pray a little more. Maybe the man upstairs a blessing. That's so true. I went to high school with a girl who claimed she was a model too but the face was like palsy. Or is this your first. Because you're a fucking basset hound sadness you know her to. I know you're talking. I mean now but she so her face was like a six. The body was like an eight or nine and those are amazing. And but you don't have it. It's not a it's not a mile. I remember back then. They made their called said cards. And they have like your shots and and and she wouldn't be the person to jesuit to go. Look at your body. Look at your body. Don't use wish you had a different face. Body will because i'll tell you even okay philosophy. Right they discuss. What is what is beauty and symmetry is beauty aesthetics right. When you look at somebody's face they say that symmetry is what creates beauty and that's just a genetic. Throw the dice dude so to say that you know everybody is everyone. Is you know dude. There are some people born who are especially born and the arab before plastic surgery. You get a bitch like farah faucet or sophia loren. I'm saying that brigitte bardot. These women were stunning. Even sean connery. who just passed away recently. That's natural bra. That's untouched okay. Right this is real. This bitch was born looking gorgeous. Yeah that's true. that's this is the same. You see the same parallel in athletics. Actually you remember when krista stephanos here and he chrissy went to like that basketball camp in jim boeheim was like got a division one shot and a d three body. It's like it's it's just it is what it is like Like same like i was you know. I play d. One football. I wish i could have it the the physique and of the body and then you see that in sports all the time you see if you watch like hard knocks the. Hbo show these guys are like top tier college players. Go the nfl and they're just like us. Don't have it man. it's so true you're you're like you don't have great lateral movement in your hips. It's just not nothing you can do. You can do. But that's life is competitive. Life is about finding what you're good at. There's so much shit. I can't do not play an instrument. I can't move. Well can't do math. i can't. I can barely do anything and barely can do. I can do this this. I can talk to this sitting down. I have such a small skills that so incredibly narrow opened the show. We fucking second. Tim something light and fun to get a start ready we go. Oh time who is randy. Yeah work on the procure dog's immune man christina shit ski train to your mom's house approach copa bland uncle down ma'am spare a couple books appropriate ground brown around mount portrayal ground room apart. Oh wow gosh potter archipelago favorite thing really. Love it and Check out the roach motel. Roach motel jeans checkout. Where am i d tuesday. It comes out here on the your mom's house podcast channel at six. Am please rate review and subscribe on. I tunes Make josh show a biggest. Yes and also to bears when cave every monday six. Am and where my mom's at on mornings drops go there doctor. After dark of course every friday freaky fridays six and we we do the early release now on all the channels east guys have something to listen to early in the day. It's better it's better dow way early in the day. Cool young tom You had a really neat idea for the waiting room. Yes yes so. This is what happened laying in bed. You came over your being affectionate. You start kinda like giving me the over the pants. You're really going to share all this. I didn't know we were going to get that far. I thought you were just gonna share. We're gonna do the genesis of the idea genesis. This and i was like yeah. That feels nice. And then i had a great idea. What if there was a lady they hired to rub your genitals over your pants. Waiting rooms like the dentist office. Yeah so when you're waiting you just and she's old. She's really old but she knows how to do it now. That's interesting is that. Why do you choose the old because this way. There's no like overly sexualizing a young hardy. And it's like no no no. It's an old lady. you don't wanna touch you. But the thing is she's a rub master so she rubbed. And you're like oh and you're kinda grossed out by buyer but then you're like well you really good at this and she's like i've been doing as fifty years and you're like wait. What's her accent fifty s. She's not she's missing a few and so what happens. Is i kind of wanted pants. You don't come in your pants. What happens is gives you a nice sensation. I feel more relaxed than she's ready to see the dentist. And you go. Yeah and then you sit in the dentistry. He starts drilling your teeth. And you're of get that old lady and here again. He's like sure so. He goes mum as she comes in. And then she rubs your lingam a little more through your pants like it's not even well. Let's see this as not sexual oddly enough because it relax. It's like a nice sensitive. Yeah it's soothing. It soothes he i would want my lady are man. Does the same lady knows how to finger and rub. Why don't want her to fingerling. No doesn is like outside right. That's what i want outside reps. And but i want her to be soothing in latin because i feel latins are much nicer i want her to be like miss christina. Thank you for coming today doctor. Today i rub the outside of your count one and say well she would and then you correct or you're like that's a little because you just say mike mike kitty cat or something. My meow yeah. She's like saudi english hard and then she just all she does is she just loves the outside a little and you're like because it is relaxing like a nice sensation. Yeah well yeah. I would just want it as a relaxing. It's like oh and she does know. Here's here's goes your tents during the doctor's office you're waiting for blood work or whatever and she starts with scalp massage and then your neck and your shoulders your arms like they do it the manicure salon and then the final closer is a gentle rob. But it's not it's not like it's not to completion like you said you're not getting worked up. You're just that would be cool on shark sharks. We're here hey sharks you guys like tents. Relax an old lady comes out of the back. Ok this is called. just relax. We brought these old ladies from over the pond and they're mostly gypsies. They don't list but if the one thing that it's helping you relax with their patented three approached technique. Great would you like to try. Yeah yeah damon. You look like you could use a genital rage. Just lay back and close your eyes. Mark cuban you look extra tests and they over the old ladies like he's like well you know. Hey you're seeing relaxed fucking ass okay. Barbara was like wow. My clam feels real relaxed right now. We're like yeah that's do. You wanna give us fifteen million dollars for three percent of our company. My god never make a deal on shark tank. 'cause they they're always like we. We want half your company and we'll give you five hundred dollars ever but you can tell when they really like an idea when they start bidding when they really like that part tissues rare. It's rare and i like when mark cuban goes. My daughter likes dogs. So i like it. Like always like what he brings up his daughter and what she likes and stuff that he has more money than all the other sharks combined really visit because of owning the teams inside. Joyce to me just you know. He's very very wealthy. I think he's an holy sh- knock unease four point two billion us dollars. That's a lot of money that's not I think the other people on the show are wealthy. They're just not billionaires. How much is barbara worth. No no no. I'm a fan of babs. I liked the boat. The man laurie I like barbara. Because she's such a hard ass. You know lorries nicer. But barbara's like to a hundred million holy sh- look at her. She looks great to she would not rob your genitals. No barbara would wrestle. You could combine them. Take it away from work and he'd be like a site. Yeah i'm still good. They still need genitals rubbed. They still do. And that's why are you out well. Then we're hates lee. Stop touching his car. he's out out. That's fine barra. Well i'm just not sure. I don't see women wanting to buy this product. Own really This out turnover and get on all fours. I can sell this at the checkout line at bed. Bath and beyond exactly and we can even do an anal. Relax oh my gosh. Wouldn't that be the best to have these genital massagers and like the bank line. Why don't we use the trader joe's line seniors who they wanna feel values you know they do they wanna be they wanna feel important and you're like you know what you've been touching genitals for sixty years. Why don't you touch mine. Uk the best. The fuck of your life is from a guy who's in his eighties right. Now are so weird without you know what i mean like. We're like. I'm saying you're in line guys like a beautiful me. Mike wayne above eighteen. Oh my life okay and then he just starts kissing you. And how are you so good at this. He's like i've been doing it. Sixty years i don't like it. It goes spitzer's stop. See the problem. Is tom is that. I am so unattractive to people older than me or younger than me that i wouldn't even head on a blindfold put on a blindfold even still live saw body lead. How do isn't how dead. Yeah of course you know how. He's definitely no. He died back thin. Yeah yeah he had a stroke old landlords in the ghetto where we lived on the rampart division. And you would always be like. Why don't you give hal a hand job. I'm like how is almost and then one time. It was raining and leaking into the apartment. And i called hal because the smoke alarm was going off because the had high ceilings and the the smoke alarm is going off. I was gone yeah. You told me that he comes up. And he goes well and he puts the latter and he goes you do it. He tells you all shit you know he goes okay. Here's a ladder. And he goes here suppliers. I want you to cut spending their watch. Dana the base of the ladder and he gives me the pliers. He goes no go up the ladder in just cut the wire. It'll stop the sound. Go all right. Cool man. And i go up and i cut the wire and it like it. Sparks and i almost fly off the ladder and easily. Well he's been working again and then a few days later he goes sorry about that. I had a few before. I came over that he said i had a liquid lunch. Remember that. I almost took a six or dan before i came up here and i was a little loopy. Little off. yeah cow. He could have killed me. He's like you're not already well. Lesson learned guys if If your electric thing is wet don't use pliers to cut the wires when it's wet or maybe dry. I don't know i'm not very very insightful. Thank you for sharing you got it. I almost died very very exciting stuff. Now we don't you just blue hill and then we had another landlord. Who was always eat whatever. I was cooking baking spanish copa from it. S my favorite. And then you want one and then shoot eat half the tray of our spanish co but i remember that and we have money for no more as we get the trader. 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Let me tell you oranges my least favorite color. I do like it. In certain cars seriously. like lamborghinis nice ordinance data. I think there's like certain. I think that look hot. You're more jack. Think you're colorblind. Bra am would you rather have an orange or yellow porsche. Orange orange g. What i think. Orange here on playboy one whites this pay. No it's not a play. Lider is a black pig. When i say look off now with key always tell the kids now teeth into black sea this shit. This is not will live man. Playboy's not a playboy is a blackfoot live. he's over the shit cancelled. Everybody has own thing to go after. And in twenty twenty one you know. Pick your own agenda. Maybe it's letting the company know. Let him know guys either. You know what to do about these wrappings or stop making lighters. Moral problem misrepresenting. The colors of lighters. A lot of people have different issues. I mean this guy's a an issue with our boy. joe. No joe rogan. Is that fucking good. And and podcast lasy got me on it. she'll rogan. You can't kill god. What you can handle is a bunch of bullshit. People like west mother fucking pussy west. That ripped off that money made on jesus came. He owes it to the children in the world to give back any money. Made on. God cursed with moses plagues of truth. End there in the garage. Your wife cut your dick off. Yana west you'll never get on out there. They they they my ship bigger than anything. You can imagine how many fucking violations do you have. You ain't got no joe rogan. Plan my book because see you again. You my phone number. many times. She tell joe to beef up his security. No but i will text this to joe later next guest. Would you imagine this guy actually. Getting on joe's podcast. I got some shit man just being a lunatic love it. I would love it i will. I'll tell i'll tell joe that. I did give this guy his number give give him. Joe's personal cell number guy seems very kanye west kills. Yeah keanu new. West can try like qian. Yeah everybody knows that guy's name don't pretend liana west. He stupid his come on bro. Try just stupidity. So many years ago we were introduced to this style of training video and it has been awhile and it has intensified to a degree. The you are not ready for what i'm talking about is baltra cock and ball trauma training here. We go like space. Rick to the phone. Oh oh ono boy. How is he how these guys okay. I don't know my question is what are they. Training for is. Is there an olympics. I'm unaware of a better athlete. Oh why why are you doing this. I want to send this my. That's my favorite. The kicks is this like a propaganda film. I don't know the strongest nation. Where's that from. This is amazing. The you know native no we we know god damn pretty great. I don't know if this is going to get men to enroll in the program in the training program like can we get your nets. Kicked are full. Kicks bricks punches of fucking tree log. Rammed into it and the guys are like no emotion. Yeah when are you going to start your shaolin. And the wu tang could be. Dangerous are so lethal tom. Oh my god these guys are real deal. You've seen these guys they You know punch the one inch punch am right through wood and stood up man thrill shit. These monks can do it now. There's one thing i've learned from you over all these years. I know now when a woman isn't wearing a supportive bra. I notice it all the time. Yes i see it. And i out. That woman's not wearing a supportive bra you because you pointed out to me so often i do because it's such as wearing the wrong broadcom in some of the it's an easy problem to remedy. You just have to go to nordstrom somewhere nice. They measure you. The woman brings you the bra and fit you and then your your whole life. Changes back. Pain goes away so changes your think that this lady is wearing the wrong bra. Hell solo homer my god. They're so big. It was a big milkers. My nanna had milkers that big really. Oh yeah i'm gonna have big ones like that. If you don't like that you better look out. That's what i'm going to have been big old hanging. it's like do. that's what happens. They get they get hanging low those tests so huge now zeph you think let them hang does not feel good. That's why i'm so adamant about a properly fitting bra. Because you gotta you gotta hold them up. It hurts the swing around you. Don't want that shit man. Yeah that can't feel good. Do you think there's a point though that you get to this like you get so big like well. Fuck bras right. It's the same point where you're like care if men find me a track. I don't care if i cut my hair. She's like when guys start wearing the velcro straps. Forget it and he tvos whatever cold. Tvos levi's boat shoes every you see a guy in the i'm like doesn't fuck fuck. You didn't care anymore doesn't carry. Birkenstocks are also the official footwear. Faulk gusting. I don't like chicks. I don't like the way they smell. And i don't like touching them all. That's it right there. Look at the cross language. You wanna never have an orgasm again if you really don't want to get the The tribal patterned lady birkenstocks at the grocery store until you and she had net on the front half of her feet are though. Do you mean that they were they were. I looked down. And i was like what is what is that on. And they were like net like ecg. Through only covering like the front half of foot. I don't understand that. I mean i've i've never seen anything like and they were see through but like that's the thing the thing may i tell you what makes me wanna vomit. The most about berkinstocks is that over time. The foot makes a black imprint. In the burke. Yeah google dirty birkenstock please. Yeah that's true. And i mean can you cereal to be. Yeah yeah i mean what is that smell. Look at this chick right here. Yeah she's cute. She shouldn't be wearing that right. But look like you make that bigger She made a video of it. Hey look how look how dirty her feet smell like top. I got dirty. She had a clean them. she'd better. that's what it's about right. So look here so then showing them but she doing. I mean can't they find a way to make those berkinstocks not get black on the bottom there this so nasty. So does okay now. She's pointing to how dark they are too. She actually remedy that no. She's just like sunny way. I made them super dark. That's the buchan video see. How dirty these are. They're still dirty by smell riot. That one there you can see the one below. Yeah you see like they look like just looks like right. Filth sweat foot sweat isn't that it has to be that the material is warming leather oils and everything market and then he's at leather. Yeah that's why. They're actually like quality shoes and i understand that they're comfortable. It is weird that i can see that and immediately like oh that person's not sexually viable person right. Don't don't you feel your penis shrinking. Like if a woman walks up and those like she plays softball like really. That's my first thing. She hikes pussy dry as does a boat shoes. We talked about this where my mom out a while ago. What are they called. Boat shoes upside. Outsiders i mean does anything. Say decorous like boat shoes. I don't have a dick. I mean look at that without socks and then like some gay shorts. Oh my god. I mean that look alone is like i don't fuck i don't have pubic hair at is so okay. I don't like that. that makes them the smell. Those definitely smell. Yes those off. And you're like oh my god okay. Can i tell you another look that just. I don't even understand how men do this. Maybe it's because i'm a west coaster but when a man wears a polo shirt. Tom and then he ties the sweater around his neck. And my like my daddy. My daddy put the sweater on me. Made it into a nice not around my neck. Yeah it's like jerry yuppie it's like it's the ted what's that guy that played all the villains and like the revenge of the nerds movies. Ted mcknight. yeah it's like. That's the universal look of i'm douche article that says why do people sweaters. That's an actual article right. Is that what that is because either you're just a. It's like the official. Look of the douchebag. it's such an asshole does. Yeah it's an asshole. Look yeah it's like if you wanted to be an asshole for halloween. That's how you would dress there really is it's such do. I don't know why immediately means that. But it does. I think because of the eight there he was referring to this is from revenge nerds is. He's perhaps yeah that's what it is. It's pranksters immediately like if you're a guy and you see a guy walk up to you like this guy's a fucking dick like right away right away. There's founds a riviera and it's not. He might not be. That's the thing he might not but he looks like he is. It's like the male karen. Yeah it's signifies do yeah exactly. He's like you know it is a guy that complaint. He's a he's a male karen. Yeah exactly yeah. He's the guy who's like oh there's a snowboarder right. The chads is out with their total chad's and tad's he's the guy who's like who looks at you and he's like zip up Yeah yeah ok casual out here today. And you're like okay dude. All right khakis boat shoes. Get the fuck outta here. Boat shoes gotta here. Man got his assault shoes so funny. Okay this is a video tape captured inside a van like a bus in asia and there are some wild turns on it. Gain driver clearly is used to driving this and is taking turns way too fast. I mean way to us and they are screaming like there's no one dies but the panic you can tell it's january. He's going wait to do this when you're in other countries also he does this path twenty every day. I don't slow so fast. I mean he should be going way slower and slower wrong with you. Were you know who's exactly like those passengers my mom. My mom is a fucking panic. Person him what time we went on a cruise and we got off on the cruise in somewhere in the caribbean. And somebody was like. Oh do you want to go on whatever. See something this beautiful. Let's say waterfall. so you know. We gave the drivers like box. And they put you in a private small minivan and they're going up a hill and it starts to get wind and she starts screaming. We were all like now and she was like she lays down. She's like it was a narrow shitty and we had to turn around adding such a panic attack. I don't think he would remember. This is like where do we go to. Dr one time and there was a one road through the whole fucking village or whatever and the guy was like domino. They don't care they use this. Is this how you feel when i drive. Well no. you're not a fast like reckless driver. I just worry that like you're not seeing things you this morning. I drove today yet. Messy brown your chillan. And he was holding onto the strap wild lucasville. She'll do a show like pull up to a light and she's like getting ready to write and like hey there's people here right across the street. She goes oh. I know i know and i'm like okay. Well you just kinda like look like you're about to go and she's like i see them but it just kind of freaks me out i've been. I'm very safe driver. I've been driving since i was sixteen. I'm forty four. What's the math on that chris. Larson your head please. It's forty four minutes sixteen. How many years is that thirty. Eight thirty eight years driving. No that's twenty eight. it's. I've fifty seven years driving and i've never i've never had anybody. I've never had an accident of nope. I've been rear ended twice in all these years and i've never had an accident clean record. Knock on wood. Yeah so you don't have to worry. Awesome but i do feel like you wanna scream like that. I don't wanna scream like that. I just don't like just don't want to be an accident right with you. Being like that guy calm from. I'd never have said that. I see all you know. I'm like i'm like. I'm jason bourne when they go into the diner in. He's like she that exit. That's the one i'm going to get out. That's how you drive. I see everything. Unlike an fucking fbi kgb. Do notice anything about this. I'm gonna i want to know if you notice. Anything will be there. They're touching the glass. Dick good luck. good luck lack. I deal thank you did is in russia or ukraine. Yes yes so. This is Teacher of the year contestants in russia. Oh we're to rub a phallic crystal trophy during a bizarre ceremony is a tradition in the event. Which is sponsored by leading international oil companies for contenders touch the annual trophy before the winner is announced but this year these specially cut object had an ambiguous shape. I it's not an ambiguous to me. It like a big glass. Cock looks delicious wings on it to you could tell who was like thought it was funny one little touch the outside of the head. Good one come on. Don't be uptight so nasty like y'all don't cobble god the itch. I wish we had that here. I wanna statue glass cox. Good luck you rub it before you come on the show. What about our bushes. I thought we were going to do some kebab. When we move. Oh we will really funny if bush the cock points to the to the front door like. Here's the door fountains. I want fountains. The dick found they go off if they're found dicks on it. And they just shoot all day fountain show. Yeah i would do it. Let's see dick found the due to take fountain. This'll be an amazing. Those are i liked that one. A temple found pena's water so it looks like it's like a normal thing but air phallic symbols everywhere. You look at biden's flag. The flav three letters that are supposed to be e are clearly satanic flakes. I like when he goes the two streaks of blood and the three weeks two times three six six six. You're on top of it. Did you just you just you just get it. I don't know what to tell you. Just see it see goodness. This is something. I've heard you wonder aloud albany times. Are you ready. I can't dogs. How how do how do blind people know when they wake up. Oh i'd of a week. And so the first opposites every day and that thought is always fuck. That's pretty fun with a good sense of humor. Yes it is zillions resilience children. Yep that's very funny. That is a schmidt shows me on tiktok schmidt supreme sweet. It's very funny. I thought is fuck. I think that's most people thought this year for sure but it's also how come these lights aren't going on. Oh tom oh jeez. -kay goodness gracious town. So we modeled. We're models remodeled. Yesterday we are models. I'm a model with two sets of modeling shots now. I can't wait to see how they turn out especially the pictures of cockroach yes for taking. Full team had Photos taken just because we haven't had photos taken in a while so well. Interestingly enough dino. The last time you and i took photos together i think was in the basement of sears when we did the famous back to back. No great swank did our second round but the very first round of pictures. You ever see tom knight. Back to back with our genes up we went to sears. That's by the way the photo shoot to the meme you know. There's attitu- of us us like. Hey when when you've been hunting all weekend and then he wants you to do something. And i'm like like that. That was at sears. Yes i highly recommend them took a few fun photos. They've got all those silly backgrounds and stuff and really reasonably priced. Could i don't know if they stole them. That's it we did that at sears. And that was the clouds and sky back that has been. That's gotten the full moon treatment. For every time. I see it to Somebody really do. You know you're in this. I'm like yeah of course Because it'll be shared in like fishing circles. Like when you're trying to just fish and she wants you to do something else like all these redneck things. No yeah did you. Can we play. The impression of the girl. Did of me thank so. Can we bring that up. sure sure. Yeah it's really good. It's her name is chailly e. l. e. This is back in october. This is a like a. She did this in halloween time. Yes so this is the Her impression of you speaking of memes entirely find. This was really funny. Yeah i did not still valor tom. The keys were bright there on the credential table. She's got hungry. today's tom. Tom likes big. Old milkers helix. Dick's slept it. Goes left is you. Don't think of me as a woman. Any woman keep my cooked up. Wait mixing should. I don't know what to tell you every time you ship shit which we know what's happening. No no no no. i don't do. i don't do vomit tom. i don't do it. i don't know. I'm getting mania with this one. Maybe maybe a little bit of schizophrenia. Let's see this one for drew. See this offer through. I've been in therapy for ten years. Well let's see this for growth must be the eastern walker in. Oh okay he now. Kayla ferrier f. a. r. i o. r. kayla very funny tiktok. Thank all your stuff. She got all the stuff i feel seen feel heard and valley. I feel like you've been watching. It was really good. Yeah she's cool. I was really cool. Stay in the christina's my jacket. This is a this is teddy fresh. Is this a jacket I feel like Let's stay in the christina lane and go for this Afraid hungarian off. Santa paul dottino national immigration video. I lock 'em keep those serbians. We welcome people cross into our country. The right way at the crossing point you try to cross illegally may end up in prison easily. Oh yeah i like was. You may easily end up in prison means. 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Just send send me some files when they come in and we'll start with work on maybe a billboard or something bill board. Yeah that's a good idea Up yeah he's very fit he's very fit to get his ds. Oh yeah. i know. We're a talking on dr drafter dark and He's you know we're just going back and forth joking. And he's like so many personal things of come out about my life on the show. And i'm like oh boo-hoo they have a huge and your wife sucks it. Yeah three to five times a week. Like poor dr. Drill your fucking all the time. Yeah sounds like a dream. Me the refined. He's there's a reason why he's so relaxed so relaxed so chill. Everybody you meet is not always so easy to be around. I think that's the key to. I think everybody who's like really. Are you coming a lot. Actually i am well. I think so. Many of the world's problems could be solved by just jizan shirt when you see like those guys and you realize of somebody just was like i like this guy and get done with his craziness. We're full circle. This is our shark tank idea of just having old ladies people's houses and just read their crotches. What's from they. Don't do that in those countries. Where i'm talking about i know you don't you don't know the history of nicaragua but all those poor guys in those countries who can't girlfriends get it up and they smell no. I didn't say that they smell hot. I didn't say that i'm just saying that. I think those boys would benefit from normal sexual activity. I think it's good for them to get a good point. Is that the the ladies. The old ladies that are set. And they're just they're they're just they're just hit now. They're they're volunteers. They're doing this for the. Yeah or the old guy and the rub in pussies and dick's now but they're old but the main thing is these old ladies that are that are kind of helping these guys out who are backed up and don't have any affectionate gun. They rub their dicks and they have a slogan. We won't make you come but will make you hard. That's perfect for josh potter. Come we'll get your heart will get your heart. That's a great idea. Those are for people who can't afford if you saw an old a bunch of old ladies together and they have walkers and they all have these shirts on this as we won't make kumbo get your heart and you like. Hey can i get one right now. Okay and they come over and they do their little magic. God they are dick. Harder is the dick tigers. They are what are you doing. I'm going to rub some digs at the dentist's office. A you know what i can and then you go. I value my seniors. I take care of it. I want them to work. I can also use to an. I'm a little jealous of our children. When i wiped their butts and juju does it as a jew his kind of wipe you pretend to white my but i'm like how nice would that be to have someone to professionally. Wipe seniors should do it for seniors. Should do it too. They should sit next to the toilet's sitting most of the time any. This is a great idea. Like you know those people that give away candy in the bathroom and they they hand you the towel. Why don't they wipe you to. And then i really want to tip them. They should do listen. Seniors should be rubbing vick's rub anklets clint's wiping s.'s. They should be tieing shoes cleaning our ears trimming our next trimming our knacks. Because i don't like doing that so that'd be great to have a senior come over. Oh clipping your toenails. Look i'll lay down your already seated. And then they just yeah the file them down they clip boom and they maybe like low moisturizer on them. That would be nice. Shaving my legs. I would love to have someone do that for me. And a senior. Get my ass waxed yet. Senior opening cans senior grip strength. They can't open can with the can opener. Okay yeah I like this idea. You ever see that granny porn no dude. It is wild. let's see it. It's like really old ladies. I'm never seen old people fuck. Actually i've never looked this. How have i lived on this planet. It's weird for so many as the The let me see all the old lady. Let's see some reason. You know like the old guy ones are like whatever you gotta find like a real old lady like what in the fuck. This is going to be us right old lady. I don't like it. This is how she's able to keep her home. That's the crazy you know. She is not new to this lady. she's rubbing her tits on his balls. That's not like a. I seen varsity level I'd like to find a more fragile one. My god to sturdy old as fuck pretty. He's going to break her neck with that one. Another one that yeah you look how she looks old men but i'm glad that she's with a nice young stallion that's kind of district. Looks cool right here in the ala. Tat's yeah he's going to break her with that thing. Oh granny not the grandma. She's used to. she's so good at it. You see how resilient she is. She's like yeah fucking. She's not giving a blowjob just getting face. Fuck yeah but that's a veteran face filed course. I mean she's like oh. Yeah this is what i do. Yeah she knows how to do that. Oh that one's really old granny is suck. Granny is suck grandsons. Dick oh my god. I don't like the grammar on that one. That's a big. How can you is there like a like a black granny. Gang bang interesting. You know the dog give me black. Granny games dan She's not that old now. Some of these bills to see someone on their last four same like walker. All like the kind of old word specific. Let me just take out the race okay. Well that's always a fun. Well that's fine. They're like money mean funny when they when they they do face slaps now she's like my age really old. I know god. That is so nasty. This is good. Leave this up haircut. Gosh looks like she was in a fire. Do you think she's has grandchildren. And you'd have to take a look away. Don't face me now. This is all people look like when they do it. it's disgusting. This is all working. Oh my god dude. She's figuring is beyond no she's just like but what does she do right there. She's stopped on edge. This is kill bus. Yeah she's done this for corgi she doing she oh fuck no i don't wanna see this grimacing like he's like a hamster break this guy's like forty years. That's what you're gonna see tom. I probably won't even be able to shave my beat. Look you can barely be hard right. He's like half just spit on it. Yeah to look at that. He's like do you have any natural lubricant. Now for the last fifteen years. You're going to have to do the craziest part. My gosh. she's like is that this guy did this and they're like here's two hundred dollars. That is i go but on the upside. She doesn't eat birth control he. I mean he could break her a now. Oh no what. Oh grandma it looks ball too. Move shit shit. Oh fuck bros. I don't like this is so much favorite thing you know. It's all old jet Check enough in. Nature is savage. I'm gonna look this way not too long tom. It's pretty exciting. Wait how old is she. This lady stop. That's it dude. I don't have much longer until you look like this. I wish there was like at least fingering old fucking just barely hanging on late. I think i've old old elderly. What the fuck is she not elderly. I'm talking about someone who they're like. We got to pause and take her fucking blood pressure room. Why don't these people take care of their nana's signed take care of your and your nanna two hundred dollars. Yeah ain't taking carrier nana's it's exciting. Send a bitch at check. I want to know if you're out there. Send us an e mail. We know if you're out there and you're like that's my favorite genre. I wanna know. Send us looking at. Stop talking please. Everybody so my god sent an email to your mom's podcast at gmail.com and the subject line granny porn and i want to know what about it gets you excited. Because that's a rough one. I think to really if you're like. No no i really i i search for that i want a woman. Fifty years older than me I mean you wouldn't jerk off of that would you know. But here's what i'm about old guys guys. I don't like oh. I don't wanna see old guys. Here's the thing though. Here's why i think it bums me out. it's not. It's not the physical okay because yes. It's just atrophied and old i think for me it's more like that's death like i started thinking about my own mortality course so it's hard to get excited when i'm like that's going to be me pretty soon. Like all be on. Death's door. I have a question for you. Yeah what's harder to watch the old lady having sex in the porn or the old man having sex in the fella lady. Because i'm i'm i'm putting myself in her. I find it harder to watch the old lady. Not the old oldman. Yeah same no. No but wait. We're different genders and we both have the same with the woman. Is it. Because i think i don't like to see her vagina. I don't like to see it. Spread an old looking. That scares me. Ol- thing is yeah. It's like look guys Not the santa porn girl. He's like me look at the guy to. He's going to die soon. He's gonna die. And he's he's probably in his sixties three hundred twenty five pounds. She's twenty two is at least a forty year. Gap here you know. Yeah like pay does not deserve any of this none of it. Oh he can't see dick in her mouth but he didn't see it. So tiny looks like licking a jonah. So ill look at him. I mean let me ask you. This family just found out about this way his family's like what is that group you go to every thursday he hard you know. He not hard look at his body. It's disgusting and she's like yeah. I got six hundred bucks for this awesome. Oh no i wonder if he performs a lot. Tom let me ask you this. Let me ask that okay. Yeah imagine you're him Don't you feel because here's the thing. I always does way we go to the end of that. This please trying to run a scenario. Where does it go does it does. I didn't think they would shoot this. How's he going to do this to her with this. I mean he's so fat rusher he's gonna kill he's gonna walrus her. He's on top of her with his big titties and big belly and everything. There's no way he can get. The camera can't capture. She doesn't look super turned on now. She's like this nightmare. What is she thinking about six hundred dollars. She's like. I'm going to buy iphone six. I'm gonna buy an iphone right. After he comes is he going. Oh my god the ultimate disrespect from the old man. And he's like. I didn't know it was coming out. Sorry god he's revolting. He's pretty bad. I gotta say now. I'm okay. I'm this man. You told me. I'm this man okay. So here's the thing. Okay when i think about this scenario. Don't you feel older men go ahead. No don't you feel bad as the older. He still can't walk in her. Don't you feel bad for the younger hotter person justice. So i'm just saying to. Let's say for instance i'm dead. I'm gone and your free in the wild and lake. Yeah you meet a twenty year old. Who's into you. Don't you feel on some level. Like revolted at her seeing you naked. Yeah like it's not exciting because you'll be like yeah but i i look like this and you're twenty and you're so much better looking than me naked and what happens is the girl who if you end up sleeping with that girl. It's only the one who you've for me. That probably expressed that to and who was like. I don't care i think you look you know what i mean. I wouldn't be able to hide my shame. Yeah would be like. I wanna sit you down and tell you something. She'll be like what i'm disgusting. You're going to throw up and she would. You ends up happening that girl. Oh my god this is the guy. Now this is the guy guy the guy who from the piss party. That's him cool. You think so. That's him. I'm so glad we found him again. You'll remember that. I know the piss party but i don't think this is the same guy that's the same guy. Best definitely locked in. This is an english then it might not be. Let's see this guy has an accent at a minimum. It's definitely him. My face hurts from scowling. I yeah i can't watch this much. Good acting oh. Hey i love. I'm saying he You you see her. No he'll come here a human rights embroil his. Yeah what was it called. It was called on things party. Member uncle charlie. Yes and albert uncle. There you go. that's what it was. That's what it was there you go. That's apple right there. And i'm so glad he's not old enough. I want to see like a real old guy like a bag of bones. You know way back to my scenario. I'm dead you're hooking up with a twenty year old and she would try to be like it's okay. You're just. I love you but i'm saying that would you even be able to do the sex act and feel good about it now probably would and then i like so this. I'm picturing that i'm Was in my sixties or seventies. So it'd be like now. i'm really gross. And she was like no. You're not and then you know she's like blowing me and pissing in my mouth or whatever and then you really ended up missing today. I'm just like you know. Then what happened. Is i would look at myself like you're so disgusted to myself. Yeah and then. I would out of all Guilt wired i would be like here's a handbag she'd like what's this for. I would say. I just thought i liked you but really be like. It's an apology for the way i look. Yeah because i was like to give me like no idea. I really i feel like what you did was pretty bad. I also got your alexis out front. Yeah yeah. I'm trying to think and like if you're a dead and some like cutie. Paternity on now always doing this albert loves like if i could do it and i would apologize to enabling. I've had two children. My body is just guys. twenty two racked. Yeah if you're fucking sixty something it's disgusting. That'd be bad. Yeah you'd have to give them. It'd be like you know. What do we do. We give him give him some tennis balls or something tennis ball. It'd be like these are new fresh tennis balls to bribe him to twenty year old. One that pops good got you this bag of weed. Yeah he'd be like. Oh that's fucking awesome. Yeah twenty year. Old boys are we need you. Oregon awesome dude. Yeah that's what. I don't mean unit twenty you wouldn't you'd be like i'm his mother. Your dies would be than than the boy. That's the thing. I'm not sure like us. I'm saying in these scenarios. Most man that thing most where they go. I can't be with somebody talking about like grown adults they go. I can't be with somebody younger than my grown no way but even now like i like even these knuckleheads in the booth. You go like your babies. They do seem like they're only like twenty thirty years even thirty year. Old sounds okay. Let's see let's see it. Looks old man he look sold. Oh he's not that old. God damn it. You know what i mean like. Someone has trouble getting around. Oh guys into good shape. Oh god like you have your homework. My god. that guy looks bad tongue. Grandpa folks a beautiful teen pussy. Okay let's see let's see. Oh my god. He looks like shit. But i don't know how old he is. He i think he just has bad. You know genetics. I was thinking about fifty. Yeah i always think about the girl in these always man. How did she he looks so old he also has a terrible look. You know. he's not so old but he's a terrible look to him. Stupid facial hair. Oh god the stupid facial. He's mouth kissing her tongue in her mouth. Even imagine having to french this pig and she you know she walked out of there like Know how do you wash this off. Rose the worst. She was definitely his tongue in my fucking mouth. Rather eat. that guy's ass again. Then have his tongue in my mouth. Look at his deep thrust to again now. Not back strauss gotta sock. Saw his socks on like an asshole. No take oh girl. She's like me making just push away. Well here we go is. Don't try and garmon god. that's a. That's bad thrusting right there. Yeah she's just like please like nice to have a day off. This feels like her without a guy's going to break in half but you look and you know. Don't these girls have a choice as to. What kind of gigs. They take your sure. This is an easy thing. I think it probably would be shrub. A fucking old guy if you're used to fucking stallions every week and they're like sixty barely hanging in there. You're like all right same rate. Yeah he's seven dollars four dollars for all the extra money because he came in me. Okay all right moving odd. A nightmare cat. This guy. poor people on meth. Is i working through a higher and higher higher six feet in invoking my body a. I'm not even kidding when we were in school. I should have played as this like you wanted to drugs. And you're like yes. And they played this. Oh guy's on drugs right now. I agree they make the approach to sterile and they try to be like to be honest. Only bad kids take drugs. And you're like sounds fun to me. Now see this guy and you're like okay. This guy is a fucking mess. His life over. I'll pass on drug. Well see i mean. It's not like he's just going to sleep this off and be normal in two days that looks like irreparable damage. Now here's the interesting thing. His brains fucked gone gone. Daddy gone this guy and show. You is not on drugs but can you describe what you're seeing ensure it's a gentleman. Maybe a walmart wearing very tight jeans rainy days and he's got his camera on himself in the mirror and he looks to be pissing in his type and he's just pissing in pissing and the spot is getting bigger and bigger and running down his legs and he seems perfectly happy with thrilled with it is into this. We've got his moustache and he looks very tight and they're very like they're the whitewash street. Look everybody. I made a sissy in my pants. Where did we find alive. This would be so upset. She was still around. Yeah and like. He's shying you all angles of his pissy jeans. My god makes me have to go potty. Show you all the angles. Who is this appealing to is. There's a piss gene finish. Obviously sure where did you get that. Yeah read it. read it taught. Many people are like you did at craig so hot. Thank you for posting this crack. Nail today guys. Yup he went there. He went to fucking ross. Any put on those real tight whitewash jeans. You got got to do the light. Color jeans to the p. darkened light color dark jeans. You fucking up completely anthem. Glad i remember it. And he did all his posing now. And i'm surprised the p. went on piss on the zip. There's nobody walking by. I mean he found a nice quiet corner of the store. This is security camera in that sort for sure. A number of them probably later. They're like oh that's why there's piss on the ground you dick people on their recorded himself pissing. I can dag. this has been had you. I've been avoiding this clip. I've seen it in my bank for weeks. And i i don't know here it is it just weirds me out We kick the national guard. And the cops not this precinct. So you got anything better than that you should have sent to before we got drenched in just something way more exciting than any occupational protests. What is that is the plant grow of my leg. this part. what know what dude. Why a giant abscessed down there. And i planted these weeds in the absence. And i got a little drip line of blood. Cape the hemoglobin iron content high in the soil an ad a little magnesium chromium to later. There's the plant delong plant itself hughes's in canada parma got so much infrastructure on it and it's kind of hard to see this guy planted a plant in an an abscess in his leg is has blood-drip going into it. It's so intricate. He's like this is huma is how does he know. All the whole side thing. I got going on during this occupation right now of the streets is i'm growing a plant out of my leg out this one just to be new york city no i don't i don't think so did this is crazy. This has pacific northwest vibes to me. Oh yeah no. It's pretty weird. It's to me new york city weird. I'm going new york city on on pacific northwest. it's seattle. Oh you nailed it. Wow my powers of weirdo. Perception of north northwest brothers. Yeah wow good work. Tom prouty schrool quick. Sure i'm going to burst here. Hold on back in. Up and you wiped and you know it's neat is had one of those machine gun farts gathered. I like those so much. When you're you don't know what's coming in pratt at that okay. That's good also. This is one of those videos. That's going to haunt me for years to come. There's a few on this show that have always had a special place in my heart the vegan vagina guy. I've just fucking hate him. Like this could make me fucking joined the nra amount like fucking anarchy bro plants. Growing up my leg. I'm like you now. I don't want anything to do with. I don't like this guy. I know like his energy. This dude is it's chaos like he's out in the streets growing plants and his leg. He needs help. You need mental health. He's messed up. Go away go away. This is the guy that he's like. You should give me. your house. asked his philosophy. You know nia man come on jill. It's organic tom. why don't you want to eat. What's growing out of his leg. Goodbye by sir. What if he sold that Kinda look back man. I could see fed smoker doing something like this if he had the brain capacity because it seems like it takes a lotta work. Do you see the fed smoker video sent you a found. I sent you one. That i found another one the huge compliment. Yes we'll be. We'll be pulling from that you know what's wild about drugs too because they should just show. The fed smoker story to kids is his varied. Very like the very video video so dramatically. Yeah if you didn't hear his voice it'd be like new guy like he's like forty pounds heavier and one next one way lighter hair. Full like lion's mane and then buzzed. You know face. Everything changes like he's just completely different looks. Isn't that wild. It's just how you treat your body is how you're going to look at so so crazy. Dude yeah i know he yeah. He's the opposite of a wellness person. I know i know when. I talked to tony gonzales. You know like he's forty four and he's like you know i i watch i'm like he's like super health conscious and you see it right like what he consumes. You watch everything ease vitamins. And you know these. Mcat or all the shit that he takes care of and then the dramatic polar opposite is like fed smoker brother. What you gotta do. I smoke two three packs a day. Don't give just eat. When i can't off the floor pretty good pretty good fed smoker impression. I know you gotta be careful but then again you know there are these are only. There are people who jog every day. And do everything ryan they still fucking die early and they but then there are people. Then you see vegans that look terrible to do. I have a relative who hasn't gained a pound since he got married An uncle like a forty some years ago. Just same waistline. And he's a big runner real active dude and couldn't believe that he needed a stint put in you know wow despite being like super thin man. It's just shaving ice. Genetic dice homey genetics. Our mother fucker mine. Suck balls yeah. That'd be dead soon. Don't say that next week but like you know. How long do i have like. I think i think you have a good. I think give a good thirty years left with me. Oh that's planty too much even damer thinking about that. Like what are we going to do in thirty years. We're gonna be done talking. That's for sure for sure. Remember to see you and be like. I already know what you're thinking. I know 'cause i feel i mean. Look we've we just celebrated our twelfth wedding anniversary. We've been together for sixteen years right total. And i do feel like i know you pretty well i mean there are. There are deep dark rage issues inside of you that i don't think i'll ever understand that. I don't feel like i totally know. You know you know you see. How do you really know somebody your mannerisms i know what you like. I know your habits that side. I don't know as well the darkness. I know you pretty well to really of course tell my mannerisms like when. I'm upset when i said happy. Yeah i sense you i. It's all sense. It becomes second nature i can. I know if i go. Hey babe the response whether to ask you the next thing you know you could be in another room and if you're if you're like you can just say one word i'll just turn around and be like yeah. Just let her. First marriage marriage marriages. You know it's funny. It's not. It's not so much about what you say it's about what you don't say i think the more you're married to somebody. At least what i found with us. It's like just accepting that other person and being like i'm not even gonna. Why am i gonna you what it is. It's like you I think a mature marriage. If you been with someone you also just go. Oh this is moment right now that They need space or they. They're frustrated or their Overwhelmed or she's tie like you automatically registered labor. Just go like a see you you say something. I'll be like in my head like she's tired same honestly like the same way you do with your own kids right. They're tired slack. If i'm in a good place then. I can process that goes. She's tired and i'll be like you know what all these things i was going to ask. I'm just going to do them. You know what go. I'll just do them. And then your spouse sleeps and later on your like you retired And you're like how'd you know. Put it together pretty quickly. 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Recover faster and train smarter this season and beyond thank you loop. I think this is a good moment. To tell the audience my announcement Happy to announce right here right now. That in twenty twenty four. I'll be running for president. Don't laugh at me now. I'm fully behind you. Tom who's your who's your vp. That's going to be a long time down the line. Most that i'm gonna do lose your vp. I'd like to be a vp. We'll have to interview. You have to vet your time. You have to talk to some people in my camp. You know you can't just get the vp nomination that year to produce of your the. Tell me like some of your background. Where team yeah. We're team well. I know but i can't. I can't just handed to you like that is you can. It's called nepotism. It happens all the time. That's what happens bro. Look would trump. He did a whole family works for him. Well i'm running for president and is cry shrubs for everyone know it's everything. Everyone gets their own personal person. Everything cheese on it. That's the whole everything has cheese and that's good automatically no extra charge no extra charge extra cheese and that's my platform and and no new taxes. No more taxes extra cheeses free toilet papers free because everybody get every winter will get fresh socks that you can pull up. And they fit nice and they keep you warm and we're gonna kick some minorities out of the country but of course i've so your face change you not one of oh from anymore. I think on the fence. Now that'd be on the right side of that pants Well guess what. You're on the first boat out about no tom as president so you make public masturbation legal finally absolutely one hundred percent and i rest my case Chris wallace two minutes. Eileen ten seconds yes you can jerk off wherever you want. There's america can't stand back and be like trying to argue with that. Yeah good idea. Third degree murder is now legal. Oh third that means like. It wasn't premeditated i agree. Well how can i. I like that idea tom. I'm behind ya graffiti things if it looks cool that's a good way you wanna graffiti something. Does it look bad at. Here's the thing. The punishment is severe. If it's shitty artwork. If i like that idea graffiti some and it looks like you get a twenty five year prison set. I like that. We should bring out your best. You know we should definitely give out free birth control. It should just be like oh dispensers those hold. Ladies we old crush rubbers. They're everywhere like you can't. You can't get away from them. Everyone's hard work all day. Make america new jacket off. Oh and you know. it's a good idea. Is they play porn when you go into best buy. You're allowed to play porn in from. What the tv's can do something really cool. Yeah but not for children who know kids kids allowed in the best thing best buy now eighteen plus only no. No one can go to best buy true. Actually most businesses are going to convert to eight. Oh i know as president. Will you make all seats on. Planes lay down beds. That's a fucking great not charge any more than a regular occurrence rate way to bankrupt and so yes. I'm in. you guys have to reduce the number of seats. Make them all lay flat and they crossed the same. But you can make the planet double decker plane which is also free. everything is free. Okay also will you make whistling in public illegal hundred percent. What can happen is this. You're allowed to whistle in public but a police officer that is trained is given the green light to hit you in the head with a baton or nights stick cap once full swing because you whistled recover or live then. You can keep wesley. But i think you're going to be like after that. So what about speaker phone conversations. Tom immediately they take your phone and they set it on fire in front of you. I like that idea. He's are all good ideas. And i want to change the position already. All the minorities are welcome back in our country and even in adopt well back down. Welcome back into the great to be here. Thank you yeah. It was really weird without you there for a second all right. Oh i found my secretary of state. Oh who is it was right here how beauties. There's a different look for me civil sparking fuzzy twitter so fox fur coat purple flood account and per week a few more accessories. It looks like mike d kind of bill so beautiful. Amazing i am here. Sparkle like clean. Yeah appreciate the love and support. Imagine if you said that person around your that was nicole princess taylor as my nicole. Princess taylor secretary of state united states. I think in today's world they'd be like that's so wonderful time you're so inclusive putting the craziest person you can on your cabinet. It's pretty wild ninety did. Oh so you know this thing. This guy's like four million the us on different platforms. The mummy challenge. I've through right. He wanted me paper paper. Oh you don't have money thank you. Oh shit wait mummy. That's the cloak. Right okay so mommy challenge but no one gave his credit. That's definitely are challenged. Our challenge been doing it for. I don't know years years. I'm i'll do is coffee was coming and of anti nope. That's it okay. Thanks mommy thanks jinx genes. That was so many of these. I mean so many. What a great era in jeans okay. That's okay mommy. Can i get a number six. Can i get try. Mommy can i get chicken fries and international scream. Yep and a lodge cakes being green junking. John being doing continue. Okay gotta do old school jam. That's my ring tank. How're you doing today. Same shit different toilet but I've got Sorry can you hold on a second. I'm sorry hey case. When are you gonna marry me back my staple man trying to finish your gazebo. Goddamn i'm so sorry about cutting their I've got orders for a couple of different people. So we're the. I mean it's just crazy that people wouldn't you know didn't give credit. They tried to still credit from a from double pipe. Classic didn't credit us. Show me how those big tits fart stolen. Oh yeah people were crediting. You know somebody on tinder here here. We know we invent so many things on this show mark giving credit. Give the world something. Of course. Tom double pipe classic. That was yours. do you wanna hear. This is really funny before we do. Our talks talks taught. Yeah this is a isreaeli like game show and it has people with weird laughs on it. Oh cool dame lawless hawk newport hate it. I know it navigates for different reasons. The dow those people unfortunately. Yeah jeeze what. He's not just everything about it just the way they talk the way they sound and laugh your traumatized. I really feel like you. Traumatized how i got her. Who hurt me. I just know that they're hurt. I sure i'd like to tell you to talk to shrink about this. We talked to a therapist about it. Yeah sure i'll bring it up with this. Will you be like. Oh hey. I would like to address my unwavering anti-semitism and they'll be like I'm well it's not technically anti self feeding yourself eating jim in the clear on that got you. Okay i'll i'll try and gets the butter. Give us some info here. Data owner liked the laugh. Yeah i love. Add boehner's those doodad by the newness is big d from hot s four awed and guess what we would you certified kiln dried firewood. Fifty five a fifty. Three foot are triax on the truck in the back. Three calls on the front good. That is to supply a lot of fuel people. Yeah walking for trailer god. Look sports look at the quality so innocent about would firewood. Oh he doesn't have sex anymore. Read this is why we're number warden because of you guys. We love you guys. It feels this way about but god and so it is kind of fun to watch tonight at six hundred horsepower. Pound feet of torque pushing it out that is a tremendous amount of would guys. We got it. Holy moly doesn't even her macaroni and innocent. I like the picture that the guy filming that getting that excited about would is the same guy we saw in the old guy porn a albert. No he has two different lives. You know he's looking all his firewood and then he's like pissing my mouth. Oh no because there isn't a sexual quality to the dad. Boehner there is it right is a. It's a guy who's like sweet and innocent and they don't do this porn and stuff. Now watch porn because they get stoked on like would i know but if they get introduced to this point also starring in movies here i got. Now what's interesting. I've been checking in on captain marcel. Down the mountain down now. She was one of the original tectonics we fell in love with and she's just been doing a lot of music videos lately like to wedding and such so i could. I can't bring her on the show. Maybe live show live. Maybe yes good idea. Great idea tom. I'm gonna start covering some misconceptions about sickness. Nope and this is gonna be a fun. One eating babies satanist do not eat vapes. It's always we don't do. Thanks for watching up checkout house escort. Hail satan yourself really. Satan really poke holes in that theory thanks man. I mean all right and it doesn't seem like satanists have any more fun than we do. I was hoping since they're bad they would have more fun. Congratulations and getting on the show. i would work on the line a little bit older camera up and look at the lens by thank. You can talk to people like that and get away with it. You little bitch. I have severe nerve pain. And i hope it happens to you some day little bitches. I could fuck and cream all of you even with all my nerve team. Fat fucking fits were by you. You're fucking fat and europe fucking. That'd be little fucking and you'll have a big fucking holy shit. He like that. I mean that's intense man. I was just for you. I mean they must have done something to her though right. You don't just unprovoked. Yeah maybe we're messing with her. She's like i have nerve damage. So maybe she was. What did they do. I mean that that really makes me curious to the backstory. Because i really. I feel that women's anger. Like i can i. Can i feel like she felt so slighted by them that she had to unleash that on them know see. I don't feel sympathetic for her at all. Do little fucking contin. That car i do. I feel like it. And i feel like they something well. That's part about tiktok is that you don't get the whole story. No just get a snippet of the absurd and then you fill in the blank only thing that would be better as right now this keeps playing and they all go forward because she just crashes into them. Okay okay oh my goodness yeah old lady. Five fight scenes. Yeah if you may to replay that because it happens at the very top there. Is that one old lady. Her walker is like putting her hand out to punch the old walker. The lady on the left is not using a walker. Oh let me see it again. Sits and then the lady on the right track the hitter with the wads. Pretty amazing never sponging. Oh shit right talk shit. Ford nurses like let are gonna die soon anyway accelerated the laughter in the background. The workers really. That's fucking wild. Rose pushed gertrude in the lines. That should never goes away that no liar. No till the end man and especially at that age. You don't give a rip and you're just letting it fly did such a small fat c. created gas. Yeah we get it food. Oh my god yeah there's points. How was his face that dark next to his body african american man and his body looks light skinned and his face looks so dark. Like that's like a health issue right. This isn't his pigmentation. This guys so i feel like his his face. Were about to die like blood pressures on. I don't know. I don't know but i like when he's like i'm such a little thing and then he's like making farts and you see him doing it by justin food like. Yeah no the color thing is really while it's off putting up the difference. I don't know what the deal is. I don't know it is i'm serious. I think it's health related. I'm a wild guess. He's so much darker in the face. It's crazy are there any women out there looking for a leader. Yeah this is. Are there any women out there looking for hair shot. Yeah your story. Yes i'm here. I need a leader. I don't know he's just putting it out there tom. What could he have done better in that video. Let's help the guy you want to start at the top. Reveal thing right other any women out there looking for a leader and a night enemy and he's just like cinematic dramatic thing he's doing. I would cut it off second sooner. Yeah maybe look for a little more on your message. I mean he's casting net there. Do you wanna leader. What comes back. But i mean much like you running for president. Yeah what what's your platform. I mean i gave you plenty. So if you don't wanna vote me your fucking stupid. But i'm saying this man. He didn't present anything. I want to know what are his leadership qualities. Yeah i agree just said you want a leader and then turns it off. Yeah that's a good point like what what. How will you lead me lead me. What's your what are your skills to pay the bills. Come on man. This will be the most important question of your fucking life whenever you sought a conversation with your significant other scientists. Do you want me to listen or do you want me to fix 'tatoes pants. I know you can see that bulge dan. You could see the cat. The belt buckle tight shirts tight to his ridiculous. That's why lighten because he's like so yoked and he's like this is the most important quack jan yukon. I feel like if you work out this hard. You should wear tight clothing. Yeah he should show him in. Like kinda like tight. Clothing is for you. You know if you work for that body or even if it's naturally given to you let everybody take Agree i'm not hating non hayden but i was just thinking about this talk in relation to us like before you have a conversation. Do you want me to listen. Are i think if you ask me that. I would punch you in your fucking face because when someone's upset is that you really. That's kind of like no. I know it's kinda every time you said knowing. Shut up right. Well that's you but but imagine. You're upset like your genuine. And i go tom. Do you want me to listen or do you want me to fix. Shut the fuck up right. That's how i would feel if somebody said that shit to me when i was in the middle of something like fuck you fuck. Your mother went to fix your fucking tighter jeans asshole. Yeah that's how i'd feel with you. I mean i get the sentiment. And i think that he's correct in his thinking but an execution probably not a good thing to really try on your spouse. Here's another one. Him girl almost almost caught me a whole most of the perfect ask schist quite just quite i was walking by this blackout. Probably twenty to twenty very cute nice big ass so i kind of look down on this. And she just looked is would be right and immediately averted. My is back away. You know she was looking at my eyes. 'cause they're beautiful complimented sometimes beautiful. Green is whatever fucking color change at a daily basis. But she was really cute. Nice hair shock waves going on actually go holler at you know moved enough to be your dad. Twenty one but scott times good times. Maybe this is the. It's the strangest just library of information to keep you like. This is his diary now. The ass report to be like i got. I got to let people know what just happened. i was just looking at girls ass and shambles caught me. I know and when are you wanna keep that on like you. Don't want this principle. Everybody has the story. But you just don't go like i should broadcast this story. You know everybody has been caught looking at somebody. And that's his thing is i'm gonna ask. I want to be record this. I want you to be able to pull up the day stared at someone's ass saw me what i remember. He's the master was the when critiquing. I don't like his oxy ass. Only this kind of square lattice greatest. I'm here to tell you about. He's the expert the ass. He's fired up his phone s and ran the risk of getting caught talking about it. So like i mean. Imagine you've recording that just after it happened. That girl could be right behind you bananas. Yeah oh god why not. Footprint can be seen kingdom of isolation and it looks like of acquaint. The winds are halling's swelling. Install like swelling stole and saw. Gotta keep it in but having those Don't let them mendome. The himse be the girl that i oughta be. Don't let senior. don't let them know they know. Let it let it come. God you really think that this is man's alive right now. This is a this is a note. That's what this is. This is beyond pressed. I know i'm depressed after watching it. No it's the song from a frozen it's about it's about letting the past go and embracing embracing the next world you're gonna live in frozen is about how tom that he's hopeful that having lets them into the gates this is not this guy's not alive we just watched somebody's last message. That was so depressing. Well tom how. I potato potato. I thought this was beautiful. And engaging and you felt depressed so also you know what to do. This is a fun. Talk here you've seen this zip line. Look how fucking. Oh oh oh. Oh my god i got the job bad. All look the hand lug at a hand are you doing. Oh this guy didn't prepare for this. Oh look this out of his mind. That is the scariest thing i've ever seen in my life. That was the scariest thing i've ever seen in my life. No that's not funny to me then. I'm confused on what does just like cool not just felt no that just felt the the that genuine genuine panic in like something getting away from you that you can't control like the speed of that and then you know intellectually not to put your hand there. He definitely knows that did it And then his hands completely fucking destroyed on the inside. I don't even know how he got to stop by the way. Also that sound. I was trying to figure out whether it was the sound of that or his actual going because it sounded like we kind of jc. So so he's trying to get his zip line right. And i guess he was going to take his time going across that and it feels like oh just took off on him the way that the the line is And also whatever hours apparatus is set up. It just took off. I mean he was flying and he's several hundred feet up in the crazy and then as he's trying to slow down. I mean you could tell it is fucking hauling s. What i'm talking about when you go like. Oh my god. I'm not in control. You can have that you know in anything. It's there's like a speed fact now as terrifying been there. You know you're in traffic. One time you know. I slipped on the ice. Exactly one fucking beyond live. I'm cool if i don't but this one It also he so far from the mountain that even the perspective of distance tell also far panico so as like you also know there is no like hey can you help me out. No he's fucked. You're alone and so he's trying to get out kris italian income Girl put your hands the rope. The road about him so he gets gets hooked on that and he's just trust is not slip or whatever the just caught his breath imagine the adrenaline surge. Doing right now. Yeah he's i mean he's experienced probably you know he's got here and everything. Fuck your life. Depends on that huck that. He's on on your gear. That's wild wild. Oh thanks tom. We were having a good time. We're enjoying that man suicide song and then you had to play this on this is that was pretty funny. How you might. This is just one of those trying to be fine. I bet that hurt making us. That looks like it hurt. Every i liked it though. I just like making people is fun. Good once you're full moon. Water has charged out in the full moon. Bring it inside. You can use it for drinking. Okay you can use it for pets. Children plants to do spells with or to clear your house. We ever have homework lawyers. Here's the thing you got to put it. You only put the jar water outside in a full moon and leave it open so that the moon vibes can get in. That's what she's telling you. Go positive moon vibes and also any other animals. That wanna pee spit or fitness greg. It the moon. Hell he'll lose. You get bugs. This is insane mayor. Very i enjoy so i've been following so many prison talks. The accounts have been coming up and up and up and follow them immediately and of course they disappear quite quickly so i- it's a hot commodity when i get my hands on a prison tony. It's really exciting. It is and i have to say the phenomenon i've been finding is a lot of bragging about their cribs so that one guy will show you how many you know bags of fritos he has seen and also how fit. They are open dog. Yeah it's really fascinating. One hundred push a day day. Which is and i have to say. I give them mad props because their diets are not great no but they are still in such good shape. They look good. I'm saying but there i now. I imagine the food is. And i gotta be terrible and you gotta be dedicated. I mean to that. Good way to motivate yourself to get in shape. I think is to go to prison. Yeah if you're looking place where you can focus on your z. Prison and i think you should run on this platform. That's another thing. I'm gonna get fat people to go to prison if you vote for me. I'll said every fat ass. You not prison. Get you in shape homey dog. You're gonna come back such good shape. You get riffle new and we're going to come back shredded dog child. Camilla struggled to laughed while listening to a traditional in canada. So this is real. This is real so what they're doing. It's an new it thing. Yeah it's a tribal person or they called encana so the first nation. Sorry yeah so these two have been on tiktok just the two of them. I've i've seen them before. And they do this breathing thing. we're one. And the other one briesen they they breed rhythmically together and apparently camilla parker bowels bowls and prince. Charles were laughing. During this native performance indigenous people remain very distracted by it. I thought it was hilarious. That's exactly what we be doing struggle to hold that after listening to a traditional not. It's ridiculous because it does sound funny. You're gonna get upset by that. Somebody does sound. i was just respect. They left during my breathing song. Yeah it does sound funny. I understand this is a true sounds like stay a hey. That's cultural appropriation. Is that guy was just doing that. Question the ask all. Will you do your dog ever act like a head like my dog does at times if you raise your hand. He's putting out a fun topic. What was the question. Does your dog ever act like a nut bag like my dog does raise. Your hand duh trying to relate to the ladies tom. I like his approach. Better than the queen's above okay. Well this was a lot of fun thank you. I had a lot of fun with you today. You you're the one for me rudy. Love you. I love you too Thank you for listening our closing song is. You're fired by alex. Be enjoy it. And we'll see you don't forget to go to why studios dot com jeans above eighteen or your fire manages your delightful care job here. Fridge pro jame anyways. Here's the all condone july third which may go by geico dot was what's up lost. What's up their jaw aren't a.

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Supermodel Carolyn Murphy: 'I'm not sure all that hype around influencers is earned'

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Supermodel Carolyn Murphy: 'I'm not sure all that hype around influencers is earned'

"Thanks for tuning into the glossy podcasts. I'm your host jill man off into today. I sit down with supermodel. Carolyn murphy who has been modeling for thirty years and this year is celebrating twenty years as the face of estee lauder indeed. She is the longest reigning folks model in the industry. I wanted to ask caroline. How modeling has changed in. Three decades including how implementers are impacting the space and how brand partnerships have evolved welcome caroline. Oh my gosh. Thank you for that introduction. I heard as your with you today and to have all the listeners. And yeah there's lots to talk about on so exciting so much to talk about. Let's talk about this twenty year partnership twenty by. Has that made sense. Why has that worked out so well. Well i don't know why i can't really speak for the behalf of the brand south but you know it's crazy. I would have never dreamed that we would be having this conversation. Were i would say that. I was the face of estee lauder twenty years later or actually maybe faces estee lauder to begin with is still when i'm on set and pinching myself. It's like a dream. Come true. Because i grew up with the brand i mean literally i grew up my nana's vanity her white linen and the gold tubes of lipstick and i remember just pining to wear beautiful perfume and going to the beauty counters in seem paulina Cova is the bride. And my mom's sticks advance asians so for me growing up with this brand having my entry point with clinic which you know they own and using the three step and then prescriptive which they also own which was concealing. You're too young for any of this but it's just really it really is phenomenal. And i'm so proud. And i'm so grateful and i'm so honored and i'm still to this day in disbelief. Yes while we were talking. A prior to the recording about kind of the business mindset that models have grown to have. Maybe didn't have twenty years ago. Did you know what an opportunity that was. I guess going in you know. I knew the opportunity in modeling but you have a little bit of a funny story so i started to. I started modeling because my mother put me in a finishing school. Is this very proper. This is a very kind of southern thing. I was shy. I was quiet. My mom thought it was the only way to kind of get me out of my shell. I was miserable. I did not want to be in that. weekly course. Learning how to walk with a book on my head. I had poise. I i was like i have taste. I have all that i just you know. I'm shy and so in my man was my style. Icon you know. She was super chic entertaining. Dc so like. I knew that it was there. But i wasn't. You know up to my mother standard. So it's interesting how that cabot poljud always had my best and dress but catapult into having a career as a fashion model and my parents are like whoa wait a minute. She going to college. No no no no. No no and i had this kind of intuitive resistance only because it was ingrained you have to have to finish high school. You have to go to college which i did Finished call you months. But i did so. It was by happenstance to to go into the industry. There was some resistance reluctance because we all just stop. Maybe people see some people see something in me. I don't see. I don't. I'm not six feet tall. You know these glamour at the time like christy linda naomi. I saw them in the george michael video but boy seen them in person. I was star struck. And i was like. There's no way. I could be like these women. There's just no way so so it didn't. I didn't really get into right away and then i was in college and i was. I was actually doing laundry at the laundry mat. Because you know we're all living housing. And i remember opening pages of bazaar and there were pictures of kate. Moss and emma bell for and so the industry had all the sudden turned in the early nineties. And there were there. Were models that i felt like i could relate to fashion. I could relate to because grunge was kind of how we were dressed saying to be cool like an adidas slam. Or whatever. I know bobbling known great. I finally was like oh i can relate to this. So i was commuting between dc My parents how my grandparents house into new york which was super easy doing some modeling jobs. And i think in the nineties because that integration of art and music and it was just great time for both of those like art music and fashion. There was a lot of passion their right and there was a lot of connection interaction. And so i didn't have business sense really at that time because it was just kind of like well. Let see where this goes and in develop a business sense towards my career until much much much much later. Probably actually gave birth to my daughter knows like oh you know i am the mom and i've i've got a i've got to get together. Yeah we were talking about fellow model carly clause obscene that. I'm in st louis. You do you think that she went into modeling with the mindset or she just moved fast like what are you seeing about the the models that are emerging. I guess more recently know. It's interesting with carly. Because i was with her on one of her very first job. We were shooting lord and taylor and we were out in the countryside on an island in new york and i remember she walked in and i looked at the hairdresser and i said wow this girl is going to be a star. It was her poise her manners. And listen that's a really big part of it is having manners and she just was polite shoes engaging she was present and to this day she has not changed and to me. That's a mark of a star. She's been consistent from day one. She could move. She knew how to work with the camera. what i love about watching carly's evolution for on this fifteen year old schoolgirl. I think part of the biggest joy seen her blossom into becoming this young woman. And what i was saying to you before we began our conversation today That you know my love for carly and my is also like partly via fan because we took the reins and she said okay. I'm going to set goals for myself. This is a job and this is how i'm going to do it. And the only person i saw from my from i guess. Stop on the in my generation. Really nobody just after was out boone's jen where the carly disdaining she said. I'm wayne to set a career path. And i'm going to set goals and i'm just going to give it all. Give it my all how. What a great role model and my daughter an carly. You really looks up. Shoot to carly and so carly to my daughter is kind of like christy turlington and cindy crawford worth of me and those strong businesswomen from the generation prior. Let's say the nineties my generation. Everybody's a little more raucous which you say. I feel like you're the exception in terms of the longevity of your career i remember you know having worked hand in hand as a stylus with a modeling agency. I always remember the conversation with young models and you mentioned about your parents saying college. I always remember the talk about window that you have. It's kind of like take it or leave. it did. Do you remember that conversation. Do you think that's more typical interesting. Because i start even though i'm the same ages Some of the girls like amber valetta slum. Harlow kate moss. Everybody thinks. I'm younger. Because i started five years after them And it's so interesting. Because i just remember of course. I knew that it was like. Oh my god what do you mean. You're twenty one and you're just moving to new york to model. But i don't have the concept of age in my personal life. I still think time just young and goofy and it doesn't really even though i am getting closer to fifty. That might be a little bit of a lie am thinking but no know. I definitely was older. I was definitely older. And i kind of was like you know my sanity is more important and my parents. I'm so grateful for that guidance. And for you know for them. Instilling Maybe some about ethic in me. But i didn't finish college. Which is kind of a bummer. I'm harping on my daughter about it now And i think that. I have no regrets had no regrets. I don't think that i would have been able to handle that time in the industry way that i did had i not started later like i did right on. Will you were discovered you linked with an agency. What would you say. We're we're the key. I guess points that really saw your career taking off. Was it walking in a certain show. Obviously it was a different day and time Was it being featured in vogue. What what were those. What went into it. Well i think you know my big break Came well first of all. I had a work ethic Again during that time a lot of there was other things going on right. We've read about him. We know about the nineties. I was labeled as the professional and i was really annoyed at that because i wanted so badly to be. Cool i just. I wanted badly to be cool. Like kate moss. I couldn't you know my constitution was different. My work ethic was different. And you know i remember that part of me felt like okay. I've been recognized for for my level of professionalism. 'cause they listed like the top ten supermodels Of time and i was like number four and couldn't believe that i was in that group and part of me like oh darn it you know so boring to be called the professional but then the other part of me. I was kinda proud It took me a while. it didn't it. My big break really didn't happen till about ninety five ninety six. It was two or three years in. You know really trying and it was for french vogue for cover where they're like. Oh you look like rummy schneider. And i'm like who so i had to learn about us the european actress and that's what i loved about. My job really was the creativity in art because partly. That's what i was studying in. School was art history and literature. And i loved watching the films. I loved the research. I love the books. So bad is really where by my essence came from onset was using not to that was for the cover of french vogue. I think ninety five and then ninety around that time ninety five ninety six was the product campaign with gave. David sends and before that i didn't know who prada was. I didn't know who per who i thought you know. Any of these huge design houses and so And then of course. American vogue in that followed like ninety six game i i cover was amber and i was so nervous because they had already had a few hundred belt that around i was like oh my god. You can eat me alive and american vogue of chris. Green up with that magazine just to be featured was huge and then of course there was steven meisel who was like the ultimate photographer and work with him and once he and i started working together ninety six ninety seven it just all took off and then i was working with helmet. Newton irving pan. You know bruce weber like some of the greats and it was just i just you know again was in disbelief. But i was really having so much fun creatively. I love the creativity my job. I love it. Would you say that. It was a benefit or maybe. I don't know a con in terms of your experience versus now in terms of models using being discovered on social media and instagram is the new. I guess model book and having that the pressure to have that presence and to be engaging with an audience and the follower count is maybe how. You're getting jobs. Maybe i'm blowing this up in my mind and that's not exactly happening but yeah your experience. Compared to now i mean what what. What's your take on that. Well we didn't have the layer of social media so if you can imagine we didn't have cell phones have social media so you would go to paris and you're literally given a list of appointments and a little book called a plan to perry and plan to perry was like a map of the subway station that was it you fitting for yourself. You were on your own go same thing. If you went to japan you went to new york. That was able to filofax. So you know there's no hand holding there. It was a real. It was a it was tough right. It was really not easy. It's so interesting because we really had to pound the pavement to get anywhere as models There was no hand holding. And i can't speak for the models today but of obviously you have a lot of you have a lot of models who come from celebrity reality shows and you know i have a lot of respect for those girls there beautiful. You know you have a lot of influencers who are out there today. That have kind of changed the face of the industry in some regards right. I mean you. Daham model is a model. And i can't speak for what holds value to those models but from what i observed you know to really kind of you know in in twenty twenty one big break. What does that mean. It's still kinda the same. It's still the same like you. Got those photographers you wanna work with. You've got those Fashion houses that you wanna work with and and do the advertising for you wanna get that cosmetic contracts that all holds true. But what's wonderful about today is that there's a whole new generation of photographers and stylists which i think is so exciting right. There's a whole new crop coming up When it comes to the influencers you know to be honest. I'm not a huge fan. Because i you know. I watched that documentary with my daughter. Three weeks ago called fake famous and it was so revealing right and you see that it was fascinating and again the the the bold the bold word there is fake. You know fake. So i feel like for all you know. It really traditionally as a model. You're still out there. Hamming the pavement. You know standing in front of people putting yourself out there getting rejected which is a huge part of the industry. You know Putting your time. In and i'm not just leinster's don't have a place value. You know they do but as related to modeling. I don't see them as models. And i'm not sure that all that hype around. Dan is is earned in a way that i can totally comprehension if that makes makes perfect sense well. They're obviously kind of making their way into campaigns making their way into into onto runways. Even but i wanna talk about that in terms of fashion brands of maybe expanding their horizons not just influencers but in terms of diversity. Age diversity size diversity yes race and ethnicity. Do you see that actually like in a big way. Do you think the the fashion industry is. I feel like it's headed in a positive direction could be moving faster. What what what's your take on that. Oh my gosh. I think it's so wonderful to see the evolution taking place Not only is a woman and this is taking myself away from the model part of me. I'm going as a consumer as a mother as a woman. I get goosebumps. I think the diversity in ethnicity and body shape and size and background culture. It's so vital. And i also think that fashion has the power of so much influence you know not just style anymore so much more in its responsibility that is is being taking very seriously within the industry and I think i'm just so excited to see how it keeps going mike. I love julia the future. I don't even know if john i would say that. The dern influencers. I just love the voice. I love the platform and i think that that's where i'm so in awe of some of the athere influencers if you will debtor that are really focusing on social social justices. I'm so dusted environmentalism. Climate change. all of this is so important in. it's so vital. So that and degration of this type of influence or with a voice with a purpose with the meaning. Bats what i'm all about. I'm so excited for that. Yes let's talk about the your own. I guess initiative. You're supporting. I would wanna know if i know that you again. I think environmental causes. If i'm correct but across the board but if if you're fashion or if you're modeling career really led you to this and maybe what you were seeing in this space where you weren't but anyway talk to me about your i guess the values and the importance of using your platform for good. Well it's interesting i. I'm still learning how to use platform. I'm i'm not really great. I think that my instagram social media presence definitely needs work. One woman show. I don't have assistance. I don't have managers in any no. It's not intuitive for me. While i love the creativity of taking photos i'm terrible itself promotion and some still learning how to engage. You know there was this quote the said you know i. I just wanna be an artist. Not a brand. And i had felt like that so much of my career. I much agents dismay especially when you know a lot in the cover of sports illustrated which again and i was like. How did that happen. I just you know things were just happening. And then i did. A movie with barry levinson and everybody thought i was the new grace. Kelly knows going to become an actress. Mike said no. I'm actually meeting to costa rica. and i'm working school. And i'm going to help rehabilitate and you know how bill school bewitched which is what i did. But i have. I have a propensity. Shying away from the spotlight and i think that carries over into by social media presence that it yes i will do my job as a model and i will highlight product. Now happily do so When it comes to to activism. I like to call myself an advocate. And it's not. I don't have opinions. I don't have things to say. I just do things very quietly. And i'm involved in a lot of different organizations You know rider yard new york no more plastic and working on a capsule collection right now with mother genes which been huge fan for longtime junior completely election. So there are things that i do. My main focus is always been nature in its comes from a place of advocacy rather than activism and the difference in that layer for me is when. I'm an advocate on advocating. For something that i believe in because i've taken the time to do my research i've taken the time to get the information and i'm not gonna ever preach to anybody about it. I'm not gonna stand on a soapbox about it. I always want to highlight in put insight around it and then that way people can take from what they want. Because if i'm not entirely walking the walk right in me contradictory to talk the talk. So then i just like to say this is kind of what we know. And this is my experience and let me share with you. How i've been able to adapt. That makes perfect sense. That mother collaboration is that something. That's newer are you collaborating with brands. In an official capacity with your name on it Is there opportunity for the carolyn murphy brand. Well that's interesting. You ask because i again. I've done a couple of collaboration. Is that. they've always been much more quiet. I worked with shyamala. Great brand out of detroit and you know that was wonderful. Because i was so excited. You know a brand american made and spending time in detroit. Really when they're making his comeback. I love that city so much. I love that state of the whole ethos of the brand you know was really important to me and i was honored to not only be there model. How that relationship came about was. I was modeling for them. First and then they realized that i had half a brain and had some design sense. I went on to work with them and designing watches. And then i did a collection that was based around my grandmother. Us style was very city two countries. So i did on the lowest tote in honor of her But again. I never really wanted to be about me and i think that also goes back to. I always want to pay it forward. I want to do things that have purpose. And meaning and i think that also comes from journalism to and so mama. Murphy's is a placeholder name as something that i've been wanting to do for ten years which is an online journalistic magazine of sorts and that is been in the works for a while and the wonderful thing about social media and technology where it had. This aha moment was. Oh i can actually use this and so we will be launching an i g tv for this journalism which is so exciting. Yes yes it is and it in in. It's going to. It's going to be about all kinds of different things and and You know i really really. I'm looking forward to that because it's a whole other. It's a whole other facet as a whole leather. A whole other side. Shoot myself but did not about me. Yes will you've been writing. This is a passion of yours are you. Is there a book happening as well. I feel like i this is rina about. It's interesting if the book that you're reading about in this rumor. Mill about a book is actually a fiction. Not said there's two. There's two things. I did a lot of biblical therapy with my daughter when she was younger. Because i'm a single mother and I used bibliotheca therapy where we would make. i'd make up stories like there was darcy. The doll offended was just her and her mom and then she had a friend. Wendy the whale that had you know the mother. The father in light tends to lanes in the mother never had time for her but darcy and her mom and while the story goes so i decided to take a lot of those biblical therapy stories that we were using in our family to kind of cope out and put them into print And then the other part of that is also the fiction novel. Is this kind of Something that i've just. I've written my entire life. It was like my my safe-space was journaling and writing and also be out nature. I have a tendency. I have a very visited wild magic nation. I love readings so this is kind of a good place to put. My energy is into writing novel. I can't say when it's gonna come out and at least if it's easy you're because they're shorter and i also paint and draw and i can illustrate the store economic straight those as well and and the other one will probably come out. Many years now knows it's who knows how grades well twenty years with estee. Lauder i mean. Are you just like keep modeling. There's no end in sight right. The interesting about modeling. These days is that you would have been done by the time. You're twenty seven. Twenty eight back can day. It's twenty years later. I'm almost forty eight years old. I never thought that i would still be modeling. Let alone estee. Lauder would keep near round but We have searched agree partnership. A you know it really is genuine. It really is heartfelt. We are family. They had been huge supporters of of my career. And you know. I think maybe demographically is. Well there's this ambiguity with with maybe the way that i look i don't know but there is so much more going on within the brand an upcoming that i'm so proud of este. Herself was an innovator and entrepreneur. She was a champion for women. I mean it's the essence of the brand. If you've ever read any books about her and in one of them is the company i keep. You know leonard lotteries new. You can learn much more about her in. You will see that. She was so modern and she was so head of the times. She's been a huge inspiration and then my friendship with water also has created her own brand which is a ken her grandmother. It's kind of a natural progression evolution and she sustained alike con to boot It's just really wonderful. And i'm so excited to see how our relationship will evolve With the sign. Of the times when i can't tell you too much but there are other incredible things coming good. We are not stopping anytime soon. But i have to ask before we sign off. Because i'm like a fashion week junkie. I just love it but can you tell me about the last editor that loves fashion week. But can you tell me about your experience with with walking in the shows. And whether you think that's losing relevance what the future holds they're just as as an insider. I hope that fashion week doesn't lose. Its its place a honestly. it's such a backbone of our industry. There's the anticipation the excitement. And thank you by the way because it is people like you who helped keep that part of our industry alive and exciting and there is anticipation decree ativity. People wanna see. Who's in the show. What designers creating wearing. Here's a lot of dialogue around. What's going to happen with kobe. But i can tell you from experience. Because i just was in new york. Doing michael kors the fashion show their m. I did a few weeks ago. There's an adapt that has taken place with coded right. So it's more about filming. Which is which is. It's different but it's also been an exciting Know turn of events that we've adapted to So i'm excited. When michael kors does come out in a week or two. I think people will be excited to do that online. But i hope that actual fashion week does come back because no matter. What with all of this technology connection is still so important. So vital. And i think we've learned that fashion aside just in the world alone that we need to be together and we're all stronger and happier together in community is everything. Do you think that cova did a year. We've been through any other impacts on the industry outside of fashion week In terms of you know. I know that a lot of brands have really pared down. How the production that goes into a campaign or a photo shoot or anything along. Those lines may be the impact from codes. eddie named. yeah exactly. Well i think the biggest that the there's so much dialogue round the fashion industry taking responsibility for its environmental impact. So this is the conversation. That's really happening right now. Because climate change is real Luckily we have an administration prison. That's really recognizing not sorry to get political in in that moment but it really is important because fascism whether you're dealing with human hands and crafting and you know the ethics there or you're dealing with the amount of water that's being used in the pollution's had there. There's a lot of things that need to shift. So i'm hoping that the positive outcomes are there i again. I do know firsthand that. There's a lot of dialogue around that it takes time to change abbots. But this is again. Were being an advocate is so much better than an activist because we didn't have the information than that we do now. It's yatom lines. Oh blaming no pointing fingers. Anger begets anger. So why don't you use positively positively solutions to get positively and solutions. Well hey i love that positive. Note to end it on caroline. This was so fun. Thank you for being on. Are you kidding thank you. That's all for this episode. Our theme music is by otis mcdonald. Be sure to give us a rating on apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening to the glossy podcast see you next week.

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The Thing

Giles Coren Has No Idea

27:33 min | 1 year ago

The Thing

"<music> welcome to Giles Coren has no idea it's cool this not because I literally no nothing but because it's all about the moment in the week when I have to sit down and write my column but have absolutely no idea what to write a devout which is where my wife Esther comes in who having read all all the papers whilst I take the kids to school always has half a dozen ideas picked out me when I get back to be disgusted the kitchen table of Rin Nice Cup of coffee. Do you have running water here I could see where do we start. It's been this week. Even though silly season I was taking the kids to swimming morning and on the radio on the way back there was that story about the ten hottest years ever have been since two thousand ten hottest today's been since two thousand and two and the ten hottest winter days also say oh well. Maybe it's just it's okay and you think about it for a few minutes and he puts it away when you try and think of something funny to write about because there's nothing funny about the end of the world and then and then those times and there's a funny thing about the Quentin Tarantino movie and there's who look you need video referees now for jousting imagine the comic applications funny already all these things and there's a lovely picture Boris Johnson on some chickens and then I turned to very evident it says Greenland faces I smelt disaster and there's a picture of a Lakewood lots of broken bits of ice and there aren't actually any drowning polevault but there could be and every time I see that I have to go bright. It's not funny. Well Your Climate Change Eko depression which I think is now. Possibly I recognized bridge four where they were twenty investigating whether it was a recognizable thing obviously it sounds quite snowflake. It sounds quite sort of millennial legno the ultimate non snowflake on hell stone that has to be a Beta of snowflakes and kind of old fashioned they need they knew the we yeah so the deck of very depressing when we met you depress about climate. How's that being of eleven years? It wasn't even bad little. Did I know eleven years of non death it was you were you got very depressed about climate change when when we met you really did and you you you had you going on about how we should live like it was nineteen forty and everyone should yeah. It was really annoying doing so climate change but I'm really very original in it's not bad it's just that you have been concerned and worried about it. There's nothing you can do and I and or you can do little bits and then I think I'll just vegan day. Yesterday I ate a which involves going into a restaurant and saying even though it spelt fo I know I'm Michigan into carrots and dicon down the road and there's all these millennials and number of Vietnamese millennials so you can't willfully pronounce wrong. You'd like you can have exactly or Ryota Ryota Algerian someone that Doris Alarm Gosselin give it wings seems like the only the other day I went into restaurants in due to pizza. Do you thank you that's what I really wanted was much and to be corrected by some mid late. Anyway I said a and then my you could have like a Vegan Tofu based one and go ahead of that anyway so I was doing Mondays. I didn't have the delicious beef with chicken. One eight full enough as you're GONNA suddenly we'll get cold again because I had a night but but I guess guess you'll Kiko things iphone slutty irritating because we all have to deal with it and you just use it to push it in front of my face quite lonely. I find it quite annoying but you all bright that we all need to do something talk. I do not talk about it no you shouldn't you shouldn't listen. I'm trying to be emotionally like thing. I'm I'm just standing. I'm not saying stop. I'm just saying this is how affect it's my meat. I find it irritating and I find irritating because I don't want to think about it because it's the end of the world. That's not very nice feeling you consider it inconvenience. Oh don't go down that road the time for that but the the wall I mean is that because you when things both of you personally. You won't go telling it'll be fine. It's not all going to be fine. How can I tell you that that's what we do? You know you just like my mom in the eye which is not necessarily a bad thing I in one thousand nine hundred eighty two eighty three when I was an and I was just young and I didn't even know about nuclear things and I was coming home from swimming walking. I'm sitting with Nicholas Potter and he said why current because we were private school or at Corran what's what are you most scared of in the world and I said sharks obviously and he I said what about you you said global thermonuclear Armageddon and literally my childhood ended that day when he explained what it was and then there was this Q._e.. Deep before you were born on roughly when you talk about the copper dome of pulled will vaporize right and then five miles out your eyeballs will melt in ten miles out he'd be killed by blades thousand miles an hour basing your every organ and I and I didn't sleep when I was fourteen. I didn't say for year worrying about that. My mom would just come in to me briefly before going out for dinner and say it's going to be on the chip no point worrying about something. You can't affect night night off you go and she was thinking about her Manhattan Manhattan. Is The e anyway look. This is Johnny podcast about funny things in the news and the end of life as we know it because you're a man you just want to do something he wanted like you want to deck. Take Action to make yourself feel better and you don't just want to go. Oh well. We can only do what we can you kind of effect some sort of change and one of the ways that you do do that and makes you feel better about stuff like climate change is by writing about it but you've done that last week so you can't this week so we're going to have to move on and talk about something else. Gay lifted listed fifty funny things things about socks an actual total distract everyone from the blame Olov again it shall we talk about Meghan Markle's forces for change or Lem Meghan Meghan has edited the September issue of Vogue. which is we all know is the most important issue of Oak via because September is the January Mary fashion as we all know? You didn't have that because you feel cool September issue yes I know and also when you say Megan has edited it. That's like when when Lily Allen ended the today programme Grossberg edits November Meghan markle in fact that will be a whole week. Listen listen concentrate Meghan markle has guest edited the September issue folk and on the front cover. She has put a <hes> sixteen women <hes> and everyone has assumed that their feminist icons but then not not let forces for change for an Oscar chain feminist feminists are really right wing or white affiliates one of them is Katie Hopkins one of them McQueen one of them <hes> you've hit on a sore point. The Queen is not one of them not one of the sixteen icons for change neither as Hillary Clinton although some people think she's a body Maddie. She's not one what about the Little Mermaid the black one the new one. I think that's real people which is a shame because I had my own forces for change list. Why would you need one because I thought I could inspire you to do your own forces for Meghan? One of the ones of mine is making one of the ones on the front. She wouldn't be on the front because she said it would be boastful which lots of people people who don't like Megan and do like Kate because people love a row and think that having a row but I didn't know having said that she it wasn't going to appear in a photograph or in a shoot anywhere in this feature the sisterhood exactly so she's going to yeah. She said it would have been boastful. Everyone thinks toby route because kate has appeared in vote and Diana presenter she has. I mean in terms of P._R.. Disaster I think everyone's a bit hard or Meghan laws but like mainly she's trying the best but reading about animals or giggling I mean she has nosed it like beyond beyond also kind of beyond parody as well so she she was cool forces for change and I thought it might be funny for you to do your forces for change. Your sixteen forces forces my forces for changing back back. He's act so I'm really reactionary me person but it would be funny to do it if I can. I can I give you some of mindfulness to Jay Walkers forces to change well. You might not all of mine rail women that you really admire yes. You couldn't find sixteen real ones all women. You basically hate all other women so you've had to have made up once I one of them some of them all of them so my first one is of course Miss Piggy Gate this mistake people will think that you get paid to pound every time you say miss. PIGGY is picky was the headline of the I like it when the headline of this podcast comes from one of my jokes bend the producer you next week. It said Miss Piggy for P._M.. And it was one line it wasn't relevant to into the hold of this podcast and anyway. It was very funny. Miss Piggy piggy is one of my forces for change slash slash feminist icons because he was actually very ahead of her time. She's in a mixed race marriage with Martin even more interesting because she's a pig always no oh relationship yeah but she totally wears metaphorical trousers was he never see her legs unless when they do that one of those things where this over wall to make Eli she's got legs but she hasn't gone legs and she was sort of you know she was political. Semi violent she knew her own mind and she wasn't as opposed to begins. Once netjets Christy Turlington is one of them boring model from the ninety s anyone else who else is one of the obvious and then there is commander in Gaza Permits Dietrich Salma Hayek just and you would like to instead of them have miss piggy piggy and weight of the law okay. Let me tell you why because phoebe finally she's a fashion designer. She's not Freebie. It's comeback ratbags that thing that women wash which meant pretend to light which men were this is what a feminist looks like Nick Clegg memorials and sit down and watch US spag. I got man going to do this is about fleet but it's because you're not the demographic all watch the web loves it. He's I think he's the anyone else switching switching to open the minute with us about okay phoebe final not phoebe phoebe follow made trainers invented pastry that we on fettuccine she didn't she made trainers and flat shoes properly fashionable. My third one is Hannibal Encarta of course of course she's the greatest person ever to have lived ever ever. Does whatever the F. She wants has like a young handsome boyfriend didn't bother living in the same house husband Eve e Pollard first emerged from national newspaper and Martina Navratilova my forces for change and really awful subject. I'm trying to inspire down. They can't Rocky Rocky Cape by rookie to Bra because no man's breakfast that because it's not about how hard you can hit. It's about how you can get hit and keep going forward. How does that change there? That's just like Boston changing yourself for the better man. That's just ending up. We'll take no shit who well. He's my icon bright icon. How is he a force change because he made me do the press and get quite bulky and have quietly by six? Which admitted you like I'm married carried lodge because it's so funny? Oh you mean like actually do it. Gradually become idea there are ways my forces for change was rookie that might rocky because because and then not too rocky too because in rocketed that's actually another change be h his wife because she's a force for change because when she's GonNa come out of a coma and she has gives birth to rookie junior his mother icon for change from three junior she countries in this coma and before he went into the coma she rookie don't take the match rock because he will kill you the debt inside three rounds. Actually that's what Mickey says to him in rookie three when he goes to fight Mr not and clubber Lang is called in so she goes three. Don't fight it fight him. I taught to fight him. I got him. I could win the distance but now I know I can do it and then unfortunately then she gives birth and she goes into a coma and they can't speak so rocky decides not to take the fight and I'm going to cry. Try Now but I'm GONNA try and come coming around just coming around and the all go into the room rookie including his trainer Mickey goes into the room and his wife had just come and they're sitting there She opens up a tiny terrorized by the actress and and Raucous Holding Hands got and she says and he says I I ain't going to do the match. It ain't going to stay with junior. I ain't GonNa do it and and aging goes rocky do one thing for me inch anything of what is it. What is it she closed conclusion. She beckons him in and she goes win. Bob Waiting before that because of copyright home. It's a bit like and company in so maybe anyway force for change other. Should I do that. I've got better ideas and that have you wait. Wait wait Geico some more disbelief what let's stay with the royals yeah why not so they say they're only going to have to kids for environmental mental reasons and was it. I think it was Harry Harry. Oh make I know we can't quite get Harry said interval interviewing that guerrilla woman Django he said in his interview yet. You should only have cable. He's only going to have to kids for environmental reasons and yeah I mean it's not really why would have more respect to that if he'd said it before. They had the one child because what happens is you just. I'm going to have three four five nine. Children massive brewed and they're going to tumble around in a really wonderful way and and then you have one and you go oh my God. I can't do that so you just think they're just shooting themselves having a baby and he's thinking. I've had sex with my wife now. Folk due to the mental mental does seem to work his way into every show for some reason and they can't they why and no I think they've had they had one child and they've gone. We can't we can do this. Maybe once more but definitely not three times and then they're gone. How can we turn this to our P._r.. Advantage advantage. Let's say who let's say. We don't have any because we do get. Let's not having third because of vaguely had this one. They've had his boy or girl alive. She it anyway yea yeah out of a cocker name writing breath they. How does he fourteen. It's not national saying. I don't want to have another one unless it's a girl because because girls and boys have spoiled the world it. I'm sure she sits. She's a feminist icon. She's what is it called them from front of Jane Change. We're going to have to Middle Belinda. I know I I think it's also probably a bullshit attack on the what I've read this on wills and Kate who've got well how many think about six three knowing well. I'm Beverley three but they think she's going to end up on this and so they just a massive data yet another. I mean look if you were over kind of tate and Meghan having a catfight thing I mean it does seem a little bit thing doesn't it third and I'm looking to being done because it's both fall firstly in the carpenters doug and also going to discuss the children like that because the world's going to end and they weren't being up Joyce Anusha she without the greatest in the world. She's thirty seven if you had when she was thirty eight she'd be into her forties meant. You had the next one. It does get less easy. It's not your I mean your recently thirty nine. Yeah I still want more. That's yeah I thought God because you came from. I can just me and my sister obviously it was me Victoria Coren jars corn. My parents thought that's enough of that but in but in your family is quite nice kind of straightforward happy go lucky kids came out they had four four and I thought you came from that and it was fund and there was all the kind of tensions that would dilute and instead of like my sister me but we love each other. We hated toby hate each other. You always say things like my sister's really pissing me off and I go which one one and it just seemed to be nice that we'd have more. We had to and it stopped. Maybe what we could either have another child. We could stay married. Sorry but that's the truth you don't know what mortals and go play the field and I can get every groucho every other weekend and uh-huh fundraise why we haven't got them stupid car. You have to put in. They lifted an next time from there with Jay type whatever it was so they couldn't none of that. You've gotTa get if you have a third child. You've got a Renault Twingo. Whatever that cool is that chocolate bar gusting color because you can't afford it to have a normal but it would still be stupid Renault scenic or something which would be so you have to we have to get a crap car. Packets of things tend to come in even numbers which is a major cause of thing when I was. I was thing too much quite charming but you've said about four times so far thing now you have. Did you say it's all a bit thing and you've just said it's coming thing and it's a little bit thing and I sort of slide to know what you mean. I'm I'm offering articulacy because it means those of us with some sort of handle on the lexicon. Get a little bit of an advantage but does that mean. Something's better than a double bird. which is what I want to flip? Double brackets and things are a bit thin packets of tickets perfect dimsum which come in threes knowingly. Thank you for being there. He's golfing going off picking of the Sleep Dawson. What's her mouth fucking dress. Now you want and you tell us to stop a new what half a Jersey your nose so I was little but I'm just saying the golfing in the dimsum they can bring three and you have to cut it off at chopsticks six and it doesn't really work because he's told you before but he's everyone that's the thing millennial with a girlfriend boyfriend and then you and then you have these three dumping and you Juanita and then you've got half of one and it's really nice the Hawk cow or something like that with assume I just to show the handle on these words and and then you have to offer to trump's the boyfriend goes on the greedy in could grow up the third one into the kind of teenage of the place four four nights all the time. There's no profit to come from that. Is there no rant went went went or is that a yes because that brings us into the kid went four nine with my second in the world championships every made a billion a million dollars which is only twenty nine pounds and then so what do you think do. It's six hundred thousand dollars. It's money the pounds because the pound is Fox now. If you look you will find. It's probably nine hundred thousand pounds now at this day right. I'm looking googling giggling yeah I am. I haven't three how many how many years angle won't teach how many series million this is the kind. Find if they are dealing with. How much did they pay that stunning. I think full thousand pounds four hundred pounds good haggling excellent. I'm just feeling some airtime while you count the Zeros and how many pounds million dollars impounds shit yeah you're wrong fine move on they can cut it or leave it in where I proved to be rising eight hundred twenty. One thousand compound thing pounds you history. We started in the pathetic fallacy. The rain is sounded has started to prove that God sandwiches cricket. All parents must be utterly okay. We're not that I can say. All parents fears about this child having one I think I think you'll find that ben is really good at is making us cheaper pocus care something of a head of the broadcasting industry if you if you film something record something for mostly no rain and then it stops it just and then if he wants to take one of my excellent ocean earlier and sewing it into the rainy part of the Broncos the way Ben probably rainmaking machine that goes and then you can you can. You can sorry what we say. I'm going to having such a good time dining. There is a scary story again. I'm sensing a patented. I is I mean you talk about. What are you saying that this is quite like like. Harrison is the same way like you won't Miss Piggy. Yes but it's not sexual you're saying is this coincidence. It's the weekly Kerry Simon Slot consignments how we can make a decision Simon Bill Simmons. Let's say both Simon Son Kerry Kerry assignment square apples apples. We'll have friends school now. Don't linked busy. Yes apple things like that and then you don't know the origins of the prime minister but you know what the nickname of gopher out perfect nickname name is apple's. Why do we if we have a special jingle? That would play now. Carry the assignments on the story of the week. We Okay Simon Story and this week that she's moving into number. Ten is the thing and the question. Is You know she's the first girlfriend has moved in before he's still married to marina who lives in the big house and she's meeting effectively number ten then you have to call it harvesting. It's the flat above number eleven. It's the thing and and I wanted whether it's the best thing I know that you for example field. That is the place of work as well that US living together in our place of work all day and all night underwear for you does it in recent days. You have called for space. You have you look at me there. You go for just going to go out and Y eventually eventually go out well. I think I think I was living here and US both working in rooms next door to each other. I think we do very well. Not You stab each other's death breath. I think she I think there was an argument is not in the same house as far that went well heliborne. Tim Tim Button that went well for a long time and Tim Berne that street and heliborne see my previous round is the perfect woman does wrong and if she thought that's how it was gonna work then that's that's how it's GonNa work. There are those who live up I do. I think I think I think he misunderstand me. I think he may be willfully. Misunderstand me. I'm not saying that I think we should and live in different houses because I love living with living with your really really easy and really nice living. I really like living with you living with you and working. I can't justify going out scouting office so auden enough money but you can anybody understand why you go out and give it a listening now on their commute to work telling me to move out you awesome pack my bags and that's fine but when the other night I went to sleep with the children in the attic because there was air conditioning yeah and also to give you a bit of space and I wouldn't get this thing around the plateau snow. There was snow. I went in and then the next day. You told me that I had to come and sleep in bed with you. When you actually to leave if I thought it was basically sort of preparation like like you. Were thinking about going well. I thought sometimes sometimes I just think he actually just going to go brought a bit of a free some of need into a relationship that you were you literally asked me to be in the same room with you for the first time in years I mean I've got the wrong into the steak and it was just sleeping but you at least the fact that you asked me to come back to the bedroom made me think of of my grandparents lived in separate bedrooms. That's the thing that people don't really do any more space for bedrooms and then when you come together in the bedroom together you really mean it. Okay is is this up as Boris carries life going to basically go to shit and other living to go. Well doesn't everyone's exactly I look. I mean that's not the advice I would give her but I mean if she did want some advice. My phone number is easily. Would you advise to move into number ten. I would not I would say. Don't move in stand your plan. Although I think it's probably more security content her flat because the security would be just too much of a nightmare and she might as well be there and it's cheaper. She's there because she has to have earned detail and stuff so it probably is possibly saving the taxpayers money when the she can't storm out. They're going to have these rows. The relationship has to be kept going now because she lives there but people relationships going for all sorts of reasons. We keep related. I mean the only reason we're not voices because neither of us for tax reasons from the One and second neither of us is seriously thought about divorce at the same time otherwise it will be over that thought about in consecutively but not yeah either issue have dateline goes. You've thought about you slide. Wouldn't it be tragic if suddenly was hit my car and it was just me and the kids have weighed the tragedy of the moment against the possibility of being he's still present data looking at the thing that happens happens it happens is they have to deal with Sam by myself and my God no carrying Boris. I think well look I mean but but anyway wherever have you gotten your complete them you mean by Christ Simmons because I think maybe like she probably reads my blog. Maybe we friends one day. That'd be cool. Wouldn't it have a little google her bodyguard see what she's packing. No no no no no you've been listening to Giles. Coren has no idea with Giles coren Desta Walker. It's a tons podcast produced by Ben Mitchell. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast to avoid ever missing an episode and if you want to find out what I wrote about in the end is linked to my call him in the podcast description.

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