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Ep 27 Butterfly Kisses
"Uh-huh. welcome to the movies of the damn podcast. My name is Kyle grant. And I'm sitting here as always with my friend and published horror author John hunt. If you enjoy what you hear here today. Please check out our Facebook page and follow us on both Instagram and Twitter at Dan movies. Emails any questions comments suggestions to movies? The damned at gmaiLcom for further. Details on John's publish works. Please. Visit his blog. John hunt. Fiction dot WordPress dot com today. We'll be discussing Eric Christopher Myers twenty teen film. Butterfly kisses. The movies presented to the viewer in a mockumentary format. The story follows filmmaker Gavin who discovers a box of disturbing video tapes. And then hires a film crew to document his investigation. The videotapes depict the film project to unknown students looking into the local horror legend peeping, Tom it soon learned that if someone can stare down a train tunnel at midnight for one hour without blinking peeping. Tom will appear he'll then move progressive. Wli closer to the victim. Every time they blink until he can reach them and kill them in order to speed up the process. He uses his long eyelashes to give the victim. Butterfly kisses in attempt to cause them the blink unable to find someone who can stare for an hour without blinking student sent up a camera for one hour, this causes peeping Tom to appear in the camera with moving closer every time. It's shut off and him setting his sights on the students. This leads to one of the students dying and the other attempting to cut off her eyelids to save herself. However Gavin is unable to find any evidence at all that these events actually took place with nobody believing him his mental health begins to crumble within finally seemingly trying the experiment from self. This leads to the camera crew finding him deceased in a motel room, unsure what exactly happened just to let everyone know this movie came to our attention when writer director Eric Christopher Myers reached out to us over his Twitter through his at E K Myers account. He asked if. We would be interested in reviewing his movie, and we told them that we would check it out, and give her honest opinion. So that's regard here today. John opening thoughts on the movie. Yes. So this was kind of like an urban legend premise, would you say? Yeah. It was it's not one of those urban legends that kind of travels all over the country and kind of everyone heard in their small town. This was distinct to where this film was sat because that's where the train tunnel was. Yeah. Specific to that town, but an urban legend. Yes. Yeah. For that. Specifically for that. Yeah. I already said that for that town, and yeah, so I I like urban legends. And now like once that I haven't heard of before. Right. So. This seems like a like, I don't know. I didn't look into is this an actual urban legend, or or is this totally created by the writer director to be completely honest. I never thought to look into that. But that that's an interesting question. Whether he kinda had heard about this in this town decided to base the movie around it or he completely created for the movie. I'm not sure hey there my net. And I think I did not look it up, and I didn't look up, and you know, what not never even crossed my mind to be honest with you. So I. I gotta say I enjoyed this. I I really like this. I it's sometimes you get approached by people, and they want you to review their films and. You know, you kind of take it with a grain of salt because you know, these guys don't have the budget that the big guys, do you you try to be very open minded and be supportive because it's their work. And they really they really invested a lot of time and effort into it. So you just don't know what you're gonna get. And I won. It was very polished. The acting was very well done the scenes were transition seamlessly. The audio was awesome natural premise of urban legend. I thought was was very good. Like, I enjoyed it. Like like, you know, me I don't get creeped out too often. But this guy this peeping, Tom he was creepy. Like he gave me some chills there now. And they're now now, and then and to be honest too. I was creeped out at many parts throughout the movie, but I hear what you're saying sometimes with these independent films. It's just it's it's tough to watch. It's just it's different. Yeah. At no point throughout this move. Easy. Did I feel like this was a low budget film? I did not either. This was very well put together this was incredibly original. Yeah. I have never seen a movie presented in this format. Now. Correct me if I'm wrong here but follow my train of thought here. So this was a mock you mentally about a film crew shooting a documentary about found footage. Okay. What is your definition of Machi memory there? It's it's a documentary that they're pretending is real what it's not. But who like an you know, what I mean because Gavin thought this was real no, no for sure. Right. So to me, and I agree with you. I don't know. I don't know if it's a mock you per se, I think it was more is like one of those we talked about this before. It's like it's like banner snatch where it was like they're doing. What was it? Choose your own adventure movie based on a choose your own adventure book with choose your own adventure film premise, right? So that was inception cycles. You can catch yourself. You're just you just kind of go on you're going through that that that tunnel. Right. So, but this one is like different in that regard because it was found footage film about found footage, and whether or not the found footage, they found which true, which and it sounds complicated. When we talk about is not so well done it's breath of fresh air. Good. It was good you, and I have both seen so many found footage films were just the entire film is here. The footage. But this is such an interesting twist on it, and I can tell that's why it's doing so. Well, so so when he the director I reached out to us he's been telling this film's been touring around the USA in Canada different film festivals. And he let us know that it's one thirteen wards today. Yeah. I didn't verify this on my own end yet. I believe it after watching it that. Yes, it was. Yes. No. It was it was very very well done. I like there's so there's a lot of clever aspects to it. Right. So it's like this guy. The Gavin guys invested investigating urban legend any brings this found footage to ghost hunters who, you know, by from what you've seen on, you know, YouTube or the case, maybe they wanna believe they want to believe, but they're also trying to be skeptical about what's being brought forward to them yet. So this whole room of ghost hunters for call him bullcrap on what Gavin was present. And I was like, this is awesome. It was one of the of the. To set normal believe them, right? And he's like, he's presenting this this footage, and it to me like if I were to see that footage of obviously be skeptical because you know, I'm human being not a ghost hunter. Right. So if I were ghost hunter. But this is pretty good. I need to look into this. I would at least look into it. These guys wouldn't even the time of day. I really liked that. But you know, what it wasn't important scene because it helped kind of build towards that ration- yet his desperation, and then his mental health just completely crumbling completely deteriorating because he thought that he had made one of the greatest discoveries humankind. Yep. In the history of man. And then no one believed him. So it was a rollercoaster of emotion. And I think even describing the film him going to that paranormal group was kind of the last draw. Yeah. Yeah. And then he went on the radio and things went real. South there when he was on that radio. And it was a documentary guys who are trying to help them out like that was set up by the documentary guys. And they're even though they were throat the film, you could see them. They're trying to be very objective very professional about what they saw. So whatever Gavin presented if it was sillier not they were filming it, right? And they're showing it because they're trying to be true. Yes. They were trying to make a true documentary. Yeah. And it almost seems like they went into this thing being like, they did not believe this footage should be real. Now, they were they were kind of thinking either Gavin faked it or the students faked it. Yeah. But then as they described in this movie, they were kind of making a bit of a character piece where they were just gonna kinda show. This story of Gavin trying to figure things out this might be confusing. The people that are listening. So let's let's so the two students that film this the found footage that discovering guy found disappeared. No one could find them. Right. So it's like, okay. Well, what are the students? Like, why can't we talk to them about? It. So there's a lot of stuff or a lot of background to this. This discovery of this found footage that could not be explained. And be the reason why they thought it could not be explained because it was made up right? So okay. Well, we're the students are known showing that they're dead. No one's showing anything. No one knows where the are. So how leaving no that those were the real names like there's all sorts of. Ways in which to discredit the. The real. Because you're right. They couldn't find them. They couldn't tracked him down. They couldn't find their family. They couldn't really find any evidence at all again contributed to Gavin kind of going crazy ah because remember he was challenging that author. That was a very awkward. Piece of writing both on both the hours. It was great. Like, I really, you know. I don't like to awkward moments. Right. But this one was so so important to the film, and I liked it. I liked that Gavin thought he found an ally. Right. He's going to talk to this author. Look you so excited that he found this finally tracked down someone who was in the students dark down this author. There's like, okay, I got something here. This will this will validate everything that I've done he'll sit here he'll support me, and my craziness or or why believe this film, and the author just told, you know, I don't believe this. I I don't this is not does not true. I like totally burst his bubble. Like just totally let the era of his. And then he kind of we saw him turn aggressive. Yeah. He like challenge the author, and it's like, maybe your responsible for the appearance. I thought that was kind of a weird fall from grace Roche just weirdos. Like, you could see this is why it was good acting. Good writing. You can see it was a weak attempt to. Diminish the credibility of the author. It was because you know, wait. You don't believe me will now I'm not on your side. Yeah. I'm gonna Tak you. So I'm going to show my audience that you're full of crap. You're not backing me up. We're not friends anymore. Exactly. Right. So it was it was a very weak attempt to destroy someone's credibility because they didn't believe you. So was it was it was great to have that in their thought. It was great to incorporate that part because it just one would also show. It would add that foundation to Gavin's eventual deterioration, right? So in second it showed that you know, what not everyone believes. Not like, even these these people who were on board with the the weirdness or the paranormal or the belief and the other they don't believe this film. We have because this author I think he had published books about weird occurrences. Yeah. But and then they're like, well, why isn't the peeping Tom story in there? Oh, that's too weird for the weird book. Right. Yeah. So that set got Gavin off a little bit too, right? The best was the he called up. He tried to get a pin from the Bigfoot editor finding Bigfoot rights. But that was cool. Right. Because it's added kind of a cool factor to this movie because he was using present day technology. He was kind of talking with this fellow whether it was Skype or FaceTime, some type of video chat, and it was just a cool approach to this. It was cool because you're gonna look at it from this aspect, so he's not approaching scientists or other people, right? He's approaching people that he thinks will confirm his bias. It's confirmation bias. He's he's on approach people. That are that are genuine skeptics that would never you know, what I mean that wouldn't that even okay if Gavin said here, I'm going to pay you to look into this be objective. He's on approaching those people he's approaching people that he knows or he has a real strong solid feeling that will believe him because of what he's presenting because of the of the paranormal or the different or the other -ness of ways, presenting, and you know, what it's so funny that you said that I was thinking that exact same thing confirmation bias. He was going to the people who he was positive would confirm what he was believing and they threw his theory into the garage when something like that happens. You see why he fell off the deep end draft for sure, but I love this movie from the start opening scene. They got this rolling when it really caught my attention when you can see how distraught she is the female student, and then she kind of ends her segment with I don't know if I can not blink much longer. Really caught my attention. He has at that point. You didn't know who peeping Tom was you didn't know the blinking thing. From just like, oh, this is pretty interesting. Let's see where this goes. Yeah. It was it was a good opening obviously for those very same reasons. But you could see this person doping frame of person is in complete distress. You know, it's not going good for them whatever's going on in their life. Right. And they don't you don't know why. So you're you're buying is immediate. And it was done within the first two minutes is it was very clever. Outstanding hook right, right? You're just you're you're in right. You're not leaving. If you're in the theater, you're not leaving. No, right. Just like you're in. You're absolutely right now, I did have one issue early on. So when he's kind of first introducing the footage what he's found, and he's going to kind of different experts to talk about the fact that they're struggling with trying to find these two they bring a police officer on. And so the police officer only talked to them anonymous. They kinda blackout his face and stuff like that. There's no. Away. A police officer is coming into this film to let them know we tried to track them down. We couldn't track them down. I just thought that was bogus. I thought it was bogus in the first place at the police would look into this this horror movie type thing and then to go on camera talking about it. No way, you know. And I know what you mean. 'cause like it'd be easy to track down which officer was right? Like where you the officer investigating like every almost all officers are attached to an incident. There's no anonymous officer to report, right? Not that. I'm aware of. Yeah. Exactly. It's like if you get if you get a call, or or, you know, you have to do something or you call the police like you're gonna know that police officers name, and that police officers names could be tash to whatever report they typed up or if if they didn't type report that there's going to be a log of it like it'd be easy to track down. So that part didn't really makes in it didn't add to the film, I need that. No. You didn't. If it's. It was this was a really good film. There's a lot there's so much that was that was very well done here. And that was clever does presented a new way it was just different. And it was creepy. There's a lot of that that peeping Tom was so creepy when film was setting up that camera in the field like, right? And then you would like turn it off. And then turn it on again. And the guy just kept king closer closer. And I love that right by it's not good time. He stood in front of the camera. Then moved out of the way and peeping Tom was there, then I loved that. Then talked about it afterwards yet that's such an easy way to add a special effect is to put your face in front of it. I writes, I just loved that. They did that they kind of. Yeah. Almost got out in front of things sample as soon as they set up the camera for the are because they couldn't find someone who could just not blink for the hour staring down the train Tanya right away in my head. I'm Mike wool Cameron an IRA different things. But then they got out in front of it. They talked with an eye expert annex seen who said. Exactly that. Yeah. And they kind of the addressed the issue. I love that. I know it was really good. My only thing is like, okay. So if no one can keep their eyes open for an hour. How do you ever know people Tom existed? Obviously somebody did. Well. I don't know. It's it's an urban legend right now. I know I'm just I I just wish that might have been addressed. You know, what I mean like this guy liked to give a concrete example of someone dying? Instead of just those kind of teenagers talking about the legend at the beginning. Well, no, just like, okay. They made the made a point they made a very strong point that no one can keep their eyes open without blinking for an hour. They made they made it in the made it sound impossible. So, but then they talked about that peeping Tom somehow took control of the the young female student who she thought she was sleeping and dreaming and went to the train tunnel. Yeah. Stared down the the there for an hour. And it seems so easy. But then it she actually did it type of thing. So. Assist yet? Actually, you're right to did. Explain it. You're actually correct there. They just didn't. Maybe they didn't make it clear early enough. Right. Yeah. But I never found that was an issue, right? Because wasn't an issue like once again like for film like this. I'm actually nitpicking you'll always nitpick, but we both really liked this film. Yeah. There's there's no this was a great film. I thought that the format that it was presented in this unique style the documentary, the mockumentary of the found footage, whatever you wanna call. It just made it seem so real. Yeah. Other than I absolutely loved is that sometimes in some scenes they had to add subtitles. Yes. And just like a real documentary. They would always going to capture the audio perfectly. So I just thought that that made it so much more. Yeah. And you know, I am because it's documentary of found footage thing. Yeah. There is always that's that member. Like a lot of problems. With found footage films as that why camera on right. What's the reason for that being on? So, but in this instance, doing a documentary the found footage to cameras always going to be on still makes hundred percent cents as to why those students were. Yeah, they were creating a film yet this. Yeah. So as like even so even that aspect and then the guys documenting Gavin, right? So like all that made sense. And there's no there's no question about that. And then you know, what John we I've talked about this a few times in the past the stupid decision. Yeah. I didn't feel like there was an incredibly stupid decision here. The kids were filming this. So obviously, they're going to set up the camera for the hour because it's part of their experiment. Yeah. And then Gavin seemingly trying the experimental himself, which wasn't clear wasn't. But I think we're led to believe that he did set it up for himself. This. They did such a good job of showing his mental health deteriorating and cl- and crumbling that I could see him making that choice at that point. Because he's like nobody believes me nobody is on side with this evidence in working. This is the only way I'm gonna convince people and also they the did a great job of building. All the pressure coming down Gavin. Right. So you got to look at. So the people not believing the documentary for the reasons of the students, and they have had fell men's the the guy student had his kind of shady one liners to say about making stuff up and stuff that was a deputy at a previous film. They did. Yeah. How then how they, you know, exactly for that reason? Right. So they brought that inlet K we're skeptical because not only the students. We don't know where the students are even you know, whatever happened to them 'cause ama- can't question him about this film because we don't know what happened to them. Not only do not know that. But then this one guy Feldman was actually. Not very ethical when it comes to making films. And then you have then you have parts that were taken out which was that one part by by Gavin like actually not putting stuff in the film that he's making that would attract from the real -ness of the theory. So he's not being color, honest. So you have all these things as well as that. And then the money problems that he's having right because he wants he thinks if this film gets picked up and believe by a bunch of people it'll solve all his financial problems. And it'll be really good for him. So he's not working. He's not doing what it should be doing because he does wedding videos. He's like wedding videos for you know, people getting married. Yeah. Pretty much the standard. So he's doing he's not to nine it's wedding season. And then Secondly, he's taking money for his sons from his son Sega secret savings account. Yeah. To to finance film and his wife leaves them. So you have all that, right? Which makes sense because his obsession with this film was progressive, and it was progression throughout the whole thing. And he didn't really care about who he was hurting. Because he thought in the end all get this money back and everything will be fine. So he was doing all that stuff, and it made sense for the purposes of the film, and, but then, you know, as wife leave and no one believes him, and he has to do this experiment on his own. So that toll the kids deterioration was it totally made sense progress in the logical way I one hundred percent on board with that. Exactly. Right. So so then I can't say that. There was a dumb decision that makes this great movie on. It's funny though, as I was watching this right away. I bought into what Gavin found this. Footage, and then this was actually real. But then as it went on and all these skeptics started poking holes in what was happening and disbelieving him and bring valid points as a viewer actually found myself disbelieving at one point. I'm like, I wonder if the twist is going to be that Gavin actually did make all this stuff out or students made it was gonna have this breakdown and the endings going to be him like turning on the crew and attacking them or something like that. So that actually crossed my mind. So I didn't see the ending was gonna for sure and this way. Yeah. It was one of the obviously one of the potential outcomes. I thought just maybe this really was a hoax. Yeah. Here's here's another thing. Found very interesting. The film at night, they how they progressed it that way. So they had the two students that were doing this people Tom documentary day became such with it yet. Right. They were very like, you know, I I need to find this out. I need to do this. And when they realized peeping Tom was real how they tried to figure out a way in which to resolve it and try. To. I don't know what Feldman was doing. He knew turning off and on the camera would bring this guy closer, but he kept doing anyways. So I don't know what he was doing what he was trying to prove his point. Yeah. It was interesting for for those reasons and then. And then you have a. So went obsession went from them to Gavin when he found the footage and when Gavin died the obsession went to the documentaries rate. The that was that's actually Eric. Christopher myers. Yeah. That's the director. Yeah. Kind of played himself in the film, which yeah. No all the obsession kind of growing with him. So it went from person to person. Yeah. Right. So is I found that very interesting because it's like, okay. We'll because every one of them everyone involved in this peeping, Tom thing was Kate wilder something substantial here that I need to find out. I can't I can't believe or disbelieve it. But at this point, there's something real there's something real to this that I need to find out, and and it kind of grows on on them you need to investigate they need to they need to resolve it. Now, here's here's what I wanted to bring up. How good was that jump scare when Feldman was killed by peeping tall. My god. That was fantastic because they did such a good job of kind of like drawing it out. Yeah. Like blinks? And then he's ready for it. And there's nothing there. You're like, oh and then. Yeah. Tom jumps out. So good. It was excellent timing because you were waiting for it. Right. But then it came when you weren't tweeting for it anymore. So it was like impeccable timing made me jump physically jumped off my couch. I was watching it. I had I didn't have any jumps. But I had like a I did have the chills right where it's like my hair. Yeah. My head, obviously. But on my arms, they're kind of went straight up. Right. But but that win Feldman dies that brings up. My second kind of issue with the film. There's no way she gets her hands on that tape as soon as he dies the police takeover that seen all those cameras. Those tapes that are set up where for when he died memory was kind of this. And there that's all evidence. The police has all that. There's no way she gets her hands on that. That's the thing. Like, I was that was that what the police officer was talking about. No, no, not not really don't even. Don't even remember any police involvement with that was ever drawn up because you would think she just she just talked about the police investigating it and member they had the news coverage. But then it says that they reached out to all the different news channels, and they couldn't figure out where the news coverage came from. So that led to the fact that it could still be a hoax. Yes. So so I found that all very odd about the news thing, right? Because again, if it in fact, the news are covering it. The police are investigating. There's no way she can get her hands on that. That jump scare tape house more concerned about why can't they figure out what new station did this will just and again leads to the fact that no one believes him. Yeah. But you don't that's fine. But you'd think okay. So you're going to ask the news station hated you cover story. Yeah. We thought it was full of crap. Right. You wouldn't be like. Oh, no. But I don't think, but it said on the screen that no new station would claim that this was them. That's what I mean. Yes. I wouldn't they feared the because if if if there was. A new station that actually covered it it would mean that these events actually happened. What if it's the events of Feldman? Dine what? Yeah. But people still believe that this was all make belief that film, and dying was make believe I don't know about that these students actually actually did this that this wasn't just a whole hoax. That's a strange logic there. I don't know if I agree with that. Because they showed a clip of the of the news of the newswoman in front of the house, right and stuff like that. So it seems to me that seems to be some sort of conspiracy. That's, you know, reaching the news people on nano those, and so and so John here at you're seeing. But I think what they're trying to do with that is they're trying to show that it wasn't an actual news person. This was just another person that either Gavin hired to film that scene. The as college students hired to film that seemed to pretend to be a newscaster. I know, but then then but Feldman's dead, right? Nobody knows because they can't find a body. They can't find these people. League's going back to your argument, if the police investigated it. Did they exactly right? But then she would have got the tape is what I'm saying. Okay. Yes. So if the if the if this was a hoax if the police didn't investigate it. She could easily get the the tape if the police did investigate it it would be impossible for her to. Yeah. So we don't know either way. No. And so it's kind of in the air. Right. Yes. So so when you're talking about earlier, but I think she just stabbed her is instead of cutting off riots. I think she stabbed her is his so then she she can't see. And if you can't see I can't see them creep a lot of the fact that staring into the sun didn't help that one girl because even when you're blind. You can still blink. So that's why I thought she tried to cut her eyelids off with I nobody I know be see the Shi'ite done both then because you see her in the gotta make extra. Sure. Yeah. I guess so right or she's trying to get her eyeballs right out gruesome nonetheless. Right. Yeah. That was you know, if you're going to do that, there's certainly some sort of absolute terror going on. One thing. I wanted to ask you to is what were your thoughts on the ending because they kinda showed that Gavin had all these gopro cameras set up throughout the room. Yeah. But then they never showed us any of this footage. Obviously in my mind thinking about it afterwards. They're trying to set it up for a sequel. But were you disappointed that we didn't get to see any of that? Or we really didn't get to see any of the footage because member when they found Gavin at the train tunnel. He was kinda recording. We didn't get to see any of that. So were you disappointed by that? Or do you feel? It wasn't needed. I don't feel was needed. Because the story resolved resolved itself in the way. Right. So it's like, you know, there's always a what Fs afterwards. I only have only care about the what if if it didn't if something about the story wasn't resolved. But I felt all the ends are all the, you know, all the all the storylines are dick complete. Storyline was resolved properly in the end. So the what kind of just fade away. Right. So for me anyways. But if they're if they were big what? Like, well, wait a minute. And then they let it go that I'd have a problem with it. Right. I guess maybe. I'm just interested like I wanted. Yeah. Into well. In think, I think that I think part of the scariness was not not seeing what happened to them because you could see when they went to to go up to the camera, and it was gone and he's running away. I thought that was very creepy. Right. And you don't know what's going on there. And then they couldn't find him. I'm like that's their healthy. Right. So I thought I thought that's better that you don't know. Because if you do know later on it's kind of that that moment in time for me anyways, known fair fair enough, I really greet film. And there's so many kind of small tidbits that you have to watch this movie for to really enjoy the other thing. I thought was so creative. So cool is when they were kind of analyzing the tape from the students, they found kind of that Morris code at the start of every clip. Yeah. And then the Morris code translated to blink thought. That was so cool. I know the sound guys. Right. The sound guys. They also found that that sound image. Yeah. They liked created the image. Which was so they even they're like, wait a minute. This is there's no way this Gavin could've done that. Right. So it's like, the how is all in all was is very very clever film. Great film. And you know what? It's no theater released. I couldn't find a budget was a low budget film. But as we said earlier, it doesn't feel like an all feel like a low budget thing Clare, which felt low-budget mole much more budget than this. This was doesn't feel like that at all nothing on rotten tomatoes on. I m d be sitting at five point seven at ten which at first glance, you might be five point seven. Yeah. But that's still above fifty percent for an independent horror film. Yeah. I would probably say that that's on the upper end for average scores of independent horror films. You can check this thing out it streaming on Amazon prime. So so that's how you can kind of watch this thing I would really recommend giving this try for. People who love horror movies watch this movie. You will not be upset having check this out. And at the very least, you'll appreciate the creative format that creative delivery that. It was presented to the viewer with. I agree with that one hundred percent, well buddy anything else to add. No, I think this is definitely well worth watch. Like, so well, I'm gonna recommend us to Ethan for. Sure. Oh, I I'd love to hear. Yeah. Thanks to this. You know? And I it's it's clever, and it was new in a way that you know, you don't see too often. So for me, I'm like, I was very impressed. Like, I don't I don't even know what the say like like, I said, you don't know what to expect and these instances. So maybe that's sometimes lowers your expectations, and then the newness of it is more profound, and it's more more impactful, but I don't think that would mattered in this in this case, I think it was it was a clever film. It was very very well done. And and the newness of it. I really enjoyed. No. And I completely agree with you and to Eric Christopher Myers, please make a sequel to this. I wanna see it. And I am more than interested in seeing whatever you make from here. I am a fan of yours from here on out, and I wanna see every single movie that you produce this that you write that you direct from now on I'm super into it. I'm a big fan yours. Great job with this movie. I'm really excited to fall the rest of your career. Yeah. Quick question for you. Do you know who Peter boils? Of course, they do didn't that author guy. Look like a little bit. Yeah. You mentioned you know, what I? But just as soon as you brought his name up. Yeah. A little a little bit. And then Secondly, remember the kid at the beginning who is doing that the staring champion. I don't know. How you get that title? But the staring JP guy actually love that scene. I thought that was so much fun. Any struggling so much trying to hold his how long has it been? It's been seven minutes. What right. That was good. But wasn't he the same guy? Like one of the documentarian at the end. He looked exactly the same. God those leaning against the Jeep. I didn't pick that up. I tried to find it in the cast. But it couldn't it didn't have as anyone's name there. John if that's true, you're a genius. And I'll never do again. No. I'm not a just I- observant. Yeah. I guess. So if that's true right could wrong. Like, I don't even know. So who knows but? Yeah. So. Excellent work. Yes. Lamarque right. Very good work. Congratulations. Really great movie, Eric. Yeah. Please. Check out our Facebook page and follow us on both Twitter and Instagram at Dan movies. We want to hear what you thought of today's podcast, and any suggestions, you have especially in terms of what movies, you you would like us to discuss next sends an Email to movies of the damned at g mail dot com. 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Ep 33 Roulette
"Uh-huh. Welcome to the moves of the Dan podcast. My name is Kyle grant. And I'm sitting here with my friend and published horror author John hunt. The enjoy what you hear today. Please check out our Facebook page and follow us on both Instagram and Twitter at damned movies, emails, any questions comments and suggestions to move the damned at gmaiLcom for further. Details on John's published works, please visit his blog. John hunt. Fiction dot WordPress dot com today. We'll be discussing Eric Christopher Myers twenty thirteen film roulette when three very different people from three completely different worlds begin a deadly game of Russian roulette they soon discover that their pass our trilogy of overlapping events that brought them together for one last session of group therapy, just to let everyone know this movie came to our tension after we watch and really enjoyed writer director, Eric Christopher Myers twenty eighteen film. But if like kisses so we thought we would give related to tries. Well, and honestly, we literally just finished watching this. Movie moments ago, which means unfortunately, I didn't have a chance to write my own summary. So I just wanted to let everyone know that the summary. I just read was copied directly from Ron the rotten tomatoes site, John before we get your opening thoughts on the movie one until welcome Ethan for being here again today. Ethan, thanks for joining us for the conversation. Thanks for having me. Of course, you're always welcome. So John opening thoughts in the movie? Okay. So I had high hopes for this one because I really really enjoyed butterfly kisses. I thought it was really well done, and, you know, an maybe this one laid the groundwork for, but if I click because there is a lot of interweaving storylines. I would say there's a lot of intersection -ality with these storylines, which you got a glimpse of as for further along the movie went so for a lot. But a lot of it. Were interesting parts to it for sure. Just for me a lot of it. Didn't make sense. No. I would say that. There was a lot of interesting parts N, e you're absolutely right with the inner weaving stories and interlocking stories and has very interesting in that way. And and is well winning in this movie with very high hopes because just to echo your words from before their John. I'd really did enjoy butterfly kisses. But I guess my general impression after watching this movie is it did feel a little rough a little rough put together maybe a little rough around the edges. Ethan. Did you get that feeling at all? Yeah. One hundred percents. I think that the enter even stories are cool, but they have to work extremely well. And you have to make it kinda flawless and this one didn't have that for me. I also I didn't like a lot of the characters that were shown in this film. I and when not happens a conscious. I stopped caring about the conflict. Because what whatever realize is kinda like you can have the stupidest plot in the world, but he have key. But if you have characters that audience cares about conflict matters to the audience. But if you any or you can have the greatest conflict in the world, but if you don't care about the characters audience is going to care about it. So the number one priority should always be cared element in. I didn't get that at all from this. So was it that you just didn't feel that these characters were deep enough or you just didn't find yourself cheering for them. I just didn't like them. The one guy was his name, Richard. He was a douchebag. He was he's he dropped. He was a drunk driver. Not a fan of that. And the other girl sunny, she the first thing, you see you're in is she's outside of Planned Parenthood protesting, and I'm not going to like that kind of person. I think that is insensitive to do and really being a pretty bad Christian general. And and I agree with you. I wasn't rooting for the. Characters either. But I I don't know if you're supposed to be rooting for these characters because as we saw the from the big twist at the end is that they were kind of in like in hell almost rights. They're stuck at some sort of purgatory. I would say, however, like yet now would agree. You're not supposed to like these characters because they've done terrible things. But at the same time. You may not have to like him. But you have to care about them. You have to be interested in them yet be wanna follow them. If you want to like take time out of your day to get into their life. That's on the screen so to go back to your point from before though. Yeah. If this was not as polished as I would say polish is a better word for as butterfly kisses. It was rough in certain points to dialogue was rough doctors. I I didn't have a problem with at didn't really have. I thought a good job, but it could of taken more polish as well with some of the acting scenes don't really liked was Sunshine's boyfriend it throughout the whole movie. And he didn't meet such great end. No, he did not. And once again, here's my main question with it. Right. So you saw them they're all in the to support therapy group. There's probably what ten or fifteen of them. Would you say in kind of that original group bid? Yes. I should. And then it was kind of the three P. People from that group who were playing the Russian roulette. Yes. So was that before or it would have to be before the Russian roulette scene at the house right yet? Like to to me, the the Russian roulette was happening right now. And everything else was a flashback. Okay. I agree. So how did they all get to the sky? These are three strangers. How did these three out of the group of fifteen decide to go back to this guy's house? Secondly, why? So so it was my interpretation that the Russian roulette as we said was purgatory. So they're all actually debt. So they were all at the group group therapy together in real life. They all those things in the flashbacks happened to them. But then after they were dot after they died as punishment. They all went to this purgatory to this hell together. Okay. So the purgatory thing were there shooting doing the Russian roulette never happened. No that that's what they have to relive over. And over again, they have to they live that our over and over again as their punishment that that's their hell wall case. So why those three together then I guess they were just group together based on the terrible things that they had done and that they had known each other in real life from that group therapy. And again, that's just what I'm assuming. That's what I've drawn from the movie you've drawn all that from the movie. That's what I pulled out. Now. It sounds like you disagree with me Ethan where do you sit on? This is what I'm saying making some sense or you with with your dad, and you're kind of. I think you're kind of reaching okay? To be honest. And the fact that you had to explain that to me does not bode well for the movie in general. But is making sense. Yeah. Yeah. I'd say, Yep. But not I didn't get that. All from what I watched. So so when you to or I watching the movie you've thought that the Russian roulette actually happened in real life. And then they were reenacting it as purgatory purgatory. Well, I I wish I was just confused because when they were in the one of the first what the beginning of the movie when they're I n purgatory you don't we don't know there yet that one do that one. Dude said the paraplegic was like, then why did you leave therapy halfway through and come back with us here? He said that right? Yeah. So I thought that happened right? I read after therapy. They all went back into that. Rush of let things so one did the group therapy session happen. No. Yeah. No now that you now that you mentioned that I do remember that line. And he does throw a serious hole into my theory there as for what was happening. But then when you see the clock reset, then, you know, they're in some type of purgatory. So maybe maybe the purgatory is just reenacting something that they did live in the real life. So here's here's yes. But you're saying maybe. Right. Wiser, maybe I don't like that. I like I like so you watch movies and there's hype athetics, right? And you know, sometimes you walk away from moving like, oh, it'd be cool. If this happened or maybe in the sequel, this will happen, but usually because all the conflicts or something in the film, it's been resolved. While you watch the film now, I get I enjoy movies where you could speculate right while you're watching the film 'cause you do that all the time. Okay. I wonder how this is going to turn out or what you could speculate all you want, right. But can you name a movie to name movie where it was? All these all these loose ends at the end of it were someone had to say to you will maybe this is why maybe this is the interpretation or maybe we should think of it in these terms. I don't I don't know that you can. Well, I guess you had a lot of similar issues with us. Yes. Yeah. And so so you're right. There was a lot of loose ends a lot of things that that kinda I guess don't really add up altogether. One thing that I did think was cool. There was some cool dialogue in there like loved when he he made that king. He may sort he made that that comment about Stephen King. Hey, Stephen King. Yeah. Live on a busy enough street. What you had a pet cemetery out there as well. I thought that was cool. And then I think when we were just watching this Ethan, you pointed out that in the the room where they were playing the Russian roulette you saw some Steven king book sitting there. Yeah. Yeah. He did point yet. And then, but also they're like the the sunshine girl, the dad, there's a carry parallels there. So I think there's a quite quite good. Stephen King mix here. Like influences anyways. And you know, what if you're not influenced by Stephen King, and you're writing horror dealing with horror, whatever like that. Then you know, you just haven't been paying attention. You should be influenced by Stephen King. So I never have any problems with that. My a thing. I had issue with was Sonny was twenty five still living with her dad, and then he kicked her out. And then she was like crying about it. And so sad. I'm like, why aren't you living on your own? Now, you're like, you're you're like an adult. Why do you still live with him? And I hear what you're saying. But I think that it's not as out of place as you might think especially for someone who comes from such a highly religious family like if you think of all call them the old days where we're only talking few decades ago. It was very commonplace in correct me if I'm wrong here that a female would live with their parents until she was married up until she's she's in in her mid twenties or later, and so, and I know that we're in when this movie was came out twenty thirteen. So we'll say twenty tens that that wasn't commonplace for the majority of society. But I think in highly religious communities, it might still be your like like, you know, women can own property. Let the early. Nineteen hundred. So I see we I see what you're saying with that stuff. But like, I don't know it didn't seem extremely religious community. Even though the movie did seem a bit preachy. I didn't love that. But. He didn't get a sense of the religious community. You just gotta resents sensitive religious. However, I don't I don't have a problem with her getting kicked out and having nowhere to live. But she did have somebody live her boyfriend more than was more than welcoming the letter in the one character that you really really liked and she had a place to go and she had support. And I just I think I think it was it was too strong of a jump right? So for the character development, my in my opinion. Okay. I might paean. I'm wrong a lot of time. So, you know in people that are listening this and can say, yeah. Will I disagreed? That's absolutely fine. You can disagree with all you want. I just think so she very religious gets picked up by this guy. This guy is very much into her. There clearly into each other. She you know, does she breaks down one of her huge barriers and has premarital sex because it's a huge barrier for her. Her and he tells her D loves her. She's good with that. And then she goes home or dad kicks her out. And then she goes into a tailspin and flushes or baby down at toilet. Like too far jump for me, man. And so when you can your first start to watch this movie, and you kinda figure out pretty early on that these three characters are gonna their stories are going to enter we've in a relate as you go you kind of start trying to guess, how are they related what's going to happen here? And so as we were watching the movie Ethan, you said, oh, I bet you sunny he's going to have to go to Planned Parenthood. And so I actually -ssume that the fellow who picked her up was going to be a bad guy who was going to be like pretend to love her one night stand type of thing and then drop right? So it really surprise me when he ended up being like a really good solid human being like he was actually in love with her or he wanted to raise this baby with her. So that kind of threw me for a loop right there. But jaundice, speak to your final point there, the NCAA that was that was little too much for me to when she kind of gives birth there. First of all just the visual wind. She's in the washroom about to give birth and she kinda puts the plunger hand handle in her mouth to bite down on it with her teeth like that, I'm still visualizing that I was too much for me. But then when when she's actually like late you like killing the baby like, wow that that must have caused some issues in screenings. Oh my gosh. Either. What you think of all that? Yeah. That was. That was awful. That was completely awful. I I kinda stopped paying attention near the end because I was just I was bored. And that was that was ridiculous. Like, I'm not a fan of babies, but like that is gross. It was just too much for you. Yeah. Under percents, not a fan of babies whose fate of babies may okay, anyways. I didn't really have a problem with that. It wasn't really to visually gross from areas. Like that. I think the good job of actually not showing too much in getting across the violence of what she was doing or it brought brought some emotion out in me. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So stomach twist and turn. Yeah. So I think I think he did. He did a great job in bringing that out. I just think it was too far but jump right? She she she had support. She had a huge support group like in a group anyways. But our boyfriend was a big sources support. There's no reason to. Do what she did. But he was dead at that point. He well, yes, he was dead at that point. Yeah. No his is. I guess the dad was going to take her in at that point. But it will to me at least that seemed like the first time she'd seen the Dodd since he kinda like kicked her out of the house. She had nowhere else to go. Right. Oh, so that's why she came. So she went home 'cause that's where you tend to go when you have nowhere else to go. And he was you know, I, you know, she's like, oh, you don't hate me. No. I don't hate you. How to here? We'll help you call you to him. But it's like he was you know, what I mean? Like what what what was going through a head? She'll go on they're like entity even show that like where she just thought. Like, why would you even go home to do that? It's g show that you're shamed of your dad because dad thinks your whore, and you had a baby in your slut, and you bring this baby home to have give birth there. Why would you even go there? It's not even know it seemed like maybe her mental health was really spiraling. Like, if you remember the the scene before that where he kinda finds her, and I almost wanna. In the closet or something like that like sitting there, and she starts talking about how he defiled her. And he poisoned her and planted this evil in her seal. So that you can kinda see her spiraling down at that point. And then obviously, it's still even when you are spiraling. It is still a huge leap. I agree with you too. When to killing your own baby. But you kinda they kind of set it up a little bit right there. Maybe. Like and like barely at the bare minimum. They may be you could stretch set it up. But that was I just didn't buy that. She would do that. She went from. She went from hating standing outside Planned Parenthood screaming at people to doing the killing her own child. Like, no way, there's no way. And I remember what we were watching the movie thin one thing that you commented on is that you know, if you thought it was believable that she ended up sleeping with him. Kind of on the first date there. Someone coming from such a religious background to to as John Yordi point out to kind of breaking that huge barrier for something that she believed in all of her life. And so and you wanna comment on that a little bit. I would have bought it more. If they showed that they showed the conversation at dinner more because the only thing was like the roulette, and then she drank like had a sip, and then had the like of the whiskey, and then was like, oh, that's so gross. The next thing he was sketching her. And then she was an ahead that really awkward ten minute sex scene, which I don't even know why that was there if they cut the that sex scene because that was not necessary, and then had more conversation between the two and you could show that sunny really liked him. Maybe I could buy it. But it just I guess the only thing I wanna add is where I can kinda buy because I definitely here with what you're saying that it was a really quick like snap of the fingers turn on her character. But maybe you could see that it was starting to come out in a little bit. Because when they first met if you remember there kind of at the bookstore slash library. I'm not sure which one it was and she he founder looking at the calmest sutra books. So you could tell that she was really kinda like wavering in her. Well, she's curious right? Very Sofer ver- most of her life. She's been told this as naughty or this is bad. And then you your front with something that shows it you're going to be curious. So that's not that's not my issue. But here's the thing. We're being clearly critical. Right. And that's our job. I think so as not really our job because this is a hobby for us. But you know, it's just something that we're we're trying to take seriously. And so we also got understand that this would have been challenging for the director to bring across that, you know, the building of the relationship, but because seems like he was it was a longer movie. Right. It was a longer movie. So I can appreciate that. But I agree with Ethan. All it would've taken been a couple more dating scenes. A couple more them Romania. It wasn't a first date. Yeah. Right. So so exactly that. Right. So maybe they go on a roller coaster rider. You know, do they do stuff together? And you can you know slice that together. And then co two that that scene were you know, they end up in bed together. Right. And then there you go, you're good. And it's bible believe it and we're in right? I think there's. Lot of times people rush things or the do things. And I just think go back to the simplistic thing of it. Right. So who's a character outer base, she's a religious person? It's a big deal to give her virginity. So this guy should have to fight for it or not fight for it. But earn it right earned that trust from him. And they don't show that. Yeah. It was kind of quick at that point. Right. And so yeah. So we are we are picking this movie and being a little little critical different things here and there, but I'm with with the kind of the things that I've learned about this movie and looking into it before hands on I really think that it's Eric Christopher Meyerson. Excellent job with what he had. So in talking to him about this a little bit online communicating back and forth with them on his his Twitter account there. He let let us know that he made this film completely with volunteer film students it had a budget of twenty thousand dollars, which in movie terms is not a lot. And then. It kind of just like butterfly kisses. Did it did kind of like the tour of all these different film festivals? And from twenty seven to twenty fourteen when it was kind of being shown at all these different festivals. It won twelve awards different ones for the movie for directing for acting for writing all sorts of different things like that. No rotten tomatoes score right now. No box office results that I could find on IMDB right now is listed as five point two at a ten which again for a twenty thousand dollar independent film five point two at a ten. I think is a big win is a is a big success. And again in chatting with Eric. He really felt like the success of this film is what helped secure him some more additional funding for when he made butterfly Chris's, and John as unite all ready said we felt the butterfly kisses did feel a little bit better put together a little bit more, polished. I think we said before definitely butterfly kisses. I really really enjoyed. It was different. It was original and. And that being said like, yeah, we're cutting apart this movie a bit right is like maybe his first foray into the film industry, or the film work or whatever with the budget and the cast like that. That's and I get that. But if I was really really good I enjoyed that. I did not enjoy this movie. Okay. Did you you know, what I thought it was cool. I thought the ending was really cool. And I know that we we've already had the back and forth about my interpretation. And then we pulled a little bit of a hole in that. And how you guys don't know if you fully agree with that. But I just thought that was a cool thing. I didn't I didn't see those three characters as being dead. I did not think they were dead where it was shown that they died, and they were in some type of purgatory some type of hell, and they were reliving that same our over and over again dot com me off guard. I thought that that was really cool. I I think there should have been more four-shot shot of into that lie. So you didn't feel like you had any chance. To guess. So that kinda ruined. The only thing I could see that was that would be the cinematography the lighting. But that's really the only kind of hint he gave that I can think of right now. And when you do that you have to give hints right? Like, you know, like I said, I think it said it on a previous podcast like if you watch what the second time. He watched the six cents, you notice all the things that you missed the first time, right? Because there's a lot of foreshadow into it and her house before shouting for a twist. So I think there should have been more. And and maybe if we watched it back again, you'd see some more the foreshadow, but like you said, maybe not. But now that you mentioned not even pick up on it. Yeah. The coloring was way different. And the lighting way. I was right with the roulette seen. So I noticed that. Obviously both noticed that. But I didn't think it had into Burberry just during a low light room yet. So I didn't realize either, but it makes sense now. Yeah. Now does afterwards. Like and soon as they did over we've done this before or you know, the started or the gun wasn't working. I was like, okay. What's going on here? Right. So because like when I said that the gun wasn't working. We're watching a movie while went off early to go. Yeah. I know. So why why not now? Right. So. That makes sense why wasn't going off because they're being tortured. It doesn't make sense. I don't even know here's my here's my problem. Okay. You got three random people that were at this group therapy. We don't know why they decided to band together and go back to this house to start this suicide ritual you're saying like predetermined, or whatever the case may be or something that we're just supposed to they just magically appeared there because they were all bad. But there's no other bad people in the city. I don't know. So anyways there and the end up hurting each other in different ways without even realizing it and they're interconnected that way. But it doesn't matter that they're gonna connected that way, it has nothing to do with the story is just something to add in just to have people go, but it has nothing to do that that supports the story. I think that the fact that they're interconnected, and they ended up hurting each other in real life. And then them realizing it during that hour of playing Russian roulette just adds to their torture ads. Their pain. And that's why they have to keep reliving that our Ethan de agree with that. Or what do you think? I don't think it's torture. If you don't know that it's torture. They didn't know then know there one held to the very end. So how can that be torture? If they just think they're getting. Yeah. Yeah. It will not torture because they keep having to relive these awful things that they did. And then realizing what they did to each other. Okay. Yeah. But then they forget about it. And they relearn all again, wouldn't it be worse of they're forced to continue to live together in hell knowing what they did to each other. That's way, more torture. And I think that the pain gets numb then. Whereas whereas in this case that that sharp pain keeps happening over and over again. I completely agree with Ethan. If you don't know, it's torture. It's not torture. Right. So they come to these big realizations at the end, and then they start at the beginning again. And you know, what there is no pain. There is no there is no there's nothing. We'll they're all in pain in the first place to be playing Russian roulette in the first in the first. Yeah. But that's from there. Own actions prior to being in purgatory you're saying the purgatory punishment that it's a punishment for the previous actions. Right. So the they don't know that they don't know that it's going to continue in that guy rolling. The boulder up the hill for his punishment in Greek mythology or whatever. Yeah. You you know, what I mean that thing that guy knows he's he's going to be doing that for a long time. And so then he knows no, it's torture. No. I hear what you're saying. What one other cool thing that I wanted to bring up that. I kind of in doing some research about this movie Eric Christopher Myers, again, the writer director against can't say enough good things about him. Even though I think we would all agree that we liked butterfly kisses more. I'm excited to see his next movie rights, and and for for the amount that this was made for I thought this was very good five point two at ten and I am be. I'd probably rank it a little higher out a little higher than that. I'd probably give it a sixty six zero on just my personal opinion. I really liked the ending couple. Cool things here so air Christopher Myers. He allegedly wrote this entire script and three weeks, which I think is pretty cool with however overlapped, and how it wasn't everything wasn't kind of in strict chronological order just how the mismatch happened. And the other thing that I thought was interesting is that they had to reshoot a quarter of this film after one of the actresses kind of dropped out, and they had a big legal dispute. And so they had to reshoot all the scenes that Zoe was in. So she was kind of the wife who is cheating on the fellow with who is the pair police or he was developing some type of disease, and that type of thing. So I thought that was really interesting that he had the re-shoot close to a quarter of this movie. Just a couple too cool tidbits about the making of this movie. Having. Yes. That is good like this guy. This guy's you know, he perseveres obviously has a lot of challenges and you could see progression. Right. So this was before. Butterfly kisses. And like you said. You could see the potential in it, you could see the potential. I didn't like it. I wouldn't tell my friends to watch it. Okay. It was a very dark movie. And and I don't know if I could recommend this to someone especially with that scene at the end with the baby. Well, not even decides just like it just didn't make it didn't make sense didn't flow for me. Okay. Okay. I just don't I wash it. And I just I I didn't about what maybe an hour bitten. I was like I don't wanna watch this anymore. Like, I don't wanna watch this anymore. But we're doing the podcast. So I did write that compared to butterfly kisses huge jump huge jump. But if I was I was so surprised like the how well it was hell awhile. It was done. And like like I said, I don't get scared. Very often it raised the hair on my arms. It was. It was really well done can't say enough good things about that. So based upon that progression from this movie to butterfly kisses cannot. Wait to see next one. Oh to see for sure. Yeah. It's it again, if you see a nother even slight like half as much of a jump as we saw between relenting. But if I kiss his for butterfly classes kisses to the next one it's going to be a fantastic for sure for sure. Well, anything else, dad? That's all I got's, Ethan. You got anything else to say, no, not really just like we were kind of hard on this movie. But based on how little he had. He did a respectable job. I'd say no, I agree with that for sure to right? I can I can't even imagine all the work that would go into to making something like this happen, right? And it it didn't feel at least to me like it only had a twenty thousand dollar budget like it it felt like it. I know we're saying it did feel a little rough around the edges, but it felt a lot more polished than what twenty thousand would indicate to me. No, actually like like, I said the actors were really good to seen shots. Really good. There's nothing wrong with any of that stuff. The only problem. I had with a have this film is the part where it doesn't make sense. Right. So that's it. Otherwise, everything else all the pieces. Are there? You know in you. See like, I said, you could see the potential in this film for for going forward. But like I said the store like there's too many gaping holes, right? Like, I just I can't enders for me. I know it's weird, but there's too much unnecessary sex scenes like I don't care there too long. And I was like this is not really good character development. You could do a lot. You can do a lot of care developed with a lot less. But I was forget like as a as a writer. I only have to deal with me. Right. Sit down on my computer. And I write and I deal with me. This guy has to deal with all these actors all these the, you know, the the people that hold the the lighting that he has to deal with a lot. So when I imagine having such a low budget, filming something being happy with and then be like, hey, we gotta go back and refill MacQuarie of this having a legal dispute with one of the actresses that sounds like a production from Hal at that point. Yeah, for sure. And like I said he persevered is gonna clearly is going to continue to persevere, and he's gonna go onto Greece. Things I truly do believe that I think so as well. Well, please check out our Facebook page and follows on both Twitter and Instagram at Dan movies. We want hear it. 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Top Chefs Karen Akunowicz On Pivots and Pasta
"Hey everyone welcome to Radio Cherry Bomb. The podcast about women food and a whole lot more. I'm your host carry diamond. If things sound a little different well they are. I'm talking to you for my apartment in Brooklyn New York. We're recording on both my iphone and a platform called Zen caster. It's a whole new day at radio. Cherry bomb just as it is for so many of you on today. Show 'em talking with Karen conduits the James Beard Award winning chef behind Fox and the knife an Italian neighborhood joint as she describes it located in Boston. Karen Talk to me about how she like. All restaurant owners is figuring out a way forward for her business in Cairns case that means focusing on pickup and delivery with items like homemade Pasta Focaccia spritz kits and special Sunday suppers featuring eggplant Parmigiana and baked Ziti. I wouldn't mind some of that right now. Also Karen is currently a contestant on top chef all stars which airs on Thursday nights on Bravo. 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We'll go to our cover girls charities of choice to learn more visit. Issue DOT COM backslash cherry bomb before we get to today show. Here's a message from Smithfield. Culinary smithfield culinary knows. This is difficult time for their food service partners. The smithfield culinary team is committed to doing everything they can to meet their customers. Unique needs until we can all dine together again. Visit SMITHFIELD CULINARY DOT COM backslash here for you for some helpful tips and ideas. It's a long road ahead but smithfield culinary wants you to know will all through this together again visit smithfield culinary dot Com backslash here for you? Now here's my conversation with chef Karen O'Connor wits of Fox and the knife. You are on top chef. I am yeah. I'm on this season of top chef all stars. La which is really exciting. And you know it is nice kind of in this time a- when things are feeling a little crazy to have something that's a little bit lighthearted and fun to look forward to every week. I think absolutely. How did you get on the show? So it's not easy to get on top chef. No I'm I was on top chef season. Thirteen California so this for me in a couple of different ways was a little bit of a homecoming. My first season was in California. This season was in la. And I back for my second season of on on all stars and you know I talked to the folks at magical elves for eighty four years before I really went through with it for season. Thirteen and applied went through the whole process along. It is yeah I talked to the back and forth and I just always said you know. I don't think it's right for me at the right time whether it was Personal things going on in my life or whether it was work I mean. It's a very big commitment. She was he got jarring. Word is the commitment. Yeah so the commitment is six to seven weeks. My first season was seven weeks. Plus Finale and this season was Was six weeks so you commit to being away from your family. Your friends your restaurant your business for for over a month for about a month and a half which you know in the restaurant world is is forever. I mean you leap two days and it sounds like you don't know you don't know what's happening when you come back exactly very understanding a boss if you don't own your place and if you do on your own place. I would imagine that's even harder. Yeah I you know I agree with you I. I felt really lucky. The first time that I competed on the show that Christopher Myers enjoy ten were so supportive We really talked it through between all of us and they supported me going and competing on the show and I mean there's so much guilt around leaving the restaurant not being there but this time you know it felt even harder because it we were in our first year of being open at the knife and I was stepping away to sort of you know to do the show and compete on the show and leaving so much to my team which I have truly the most amazing management team. The Most Amazing Staff Must Mazen kitchen team. But you just feel like you're putting so much everyone's plates. They carried so much for me to be able to be to be gone. It's really hard to leave your restaurant. I remember when when I when I used in restaurants when I left revocation the first time it you really felt like you had left in newborn with a bunch of wolves absolutely absolutely. It's like oh my gosh. Is the baby in the car with a with. The windows rolled up above part of it. Is that you. Can't we had a little bit more leeway this time but you have no communication so you don't have a cell phone you don't have a computer you're completely sequestered? You don't books or magazines or any peak into the outside world your entire world becomes incredibly small a very small bubble of simply just competing on the show and good and bad right good because allows you to focus right. You're not distracted by anything else or what's going on and and challenging because your world gets reduced to simply competing on the show which is incredibly stressful. They take your phones away. Oh Yeah we don't have you no communication with anybody the entire time you just you know one. I mean you just have no communication with anybody you have no idea what's going on in the world you know and to a something for me. I always thought about after the first season was your off from your support systems and I think that was something for me that really that impacted me when I was finished shooting the show that that that was a really big piece of it. The the people in our lives our community. Our family are chosen family. Our restaurant family the women in my life that support me whether it be my best friends or my sister. Those people are the people that both stressed that. Hold us up that lift US up every day. Whether it's just you had a hard day and you say wow I just got home and I feel like this days really GonNa break me. I don't know that I can do this anymore. Or You have something wonderful to share. It's those people are communicating our life that that hold us up and that piece of it. I think is really challenging. Not to have contact with those your touchstones in your life. You knew what you were getting into. But we're in a very different situation because now you are restaurant owner. Write leading an leading a team and having to say goodbye to them. I can't even imagine not knowing what was going on in your restaurant for six weeks. That's major but you know the the plus side is what amazing. Pr For your restaurant as where in this bizarre unprecedented time which we will talk about in the second I hang on top chef. Because it's fascinating do you. How do you prepare for top shop? You had insight having been on it before headed you. Prepare differently this time. Well you know I think one of the things is I had insight into into. It puts everybody else right. So it's nobody's first Rodeo and we were all coming back in some folks for me. It was my second time competing for some folks that was their third timer. Their fourth time competing. So I think every time you do it you take a little a little bit of way from it so for me. I really drilled myself before I went and I spent. I was getting to work at six thirty in the morning to go in and practice And Cook before anybody else got there and I had sort of had the kitchen to myself so whether that was trying to figure out how to take my recipes. One make them into smaller smaller batches right because you know if I make a pasta recipes to yield for Nights worth of Pasta or whatever it is but to take things to make them into small recipes and then to time myself and to sort of race against the clock. I did things over and over and over again. Did you have known? Just just me just me. I would set a timer. My sous-chef definitely helped me with setting some stuff up and you know. I did that for a couple of weeks before I left. I caught up on some seasons. I hadn't watched I thought about the mistakes that I made. And the you know the challenges that I had and what we are big takeaways from your first season. Well you know I think that for me personally and I think it's different for everyone I know it's different for everyone but my anxiety really gotten the way and my fear really got in the way and so even for quickfire challenges. I would be so keyed up about them that I know it's just a mistake you make are. I mean it's just it's just crazy it's like here's twenty minutes to make an entire dish right and make it awesome and make it perfect. And whatever that is with limited ingredients limited space limited cookware. And things like that you know but I think that the fear really got the best to be an in a couple different situations or at and also for myself thinking that the food that I was making wasn't wasn't good enough or it wasn't elevated offer. It wasn't fan like fancy enough. I think that's a big thing for me. Is that you know I had needed to make food. That was not my own and my big takeaways were no. You have to be incredibly true to yourself in the food that you make me personally and to that you have to just kind of go in and say. I'm just GONNA go full full speed ahead and every I'm just going to try and knock it out of the park every single challenge and to be less fearful of being eliminated and going home. Because I don't think you can win otherwise so I know you can only comment on the shows that have aired right date. How do you feel it's going for you so far but I feel like it's going really well so far? I am really proud of the food that I make on the show on this entire season. I feel like it's really representative of me in the way that I cook on the food that I make you know and I think that anybody who knows my food from Fox in the night or from Myers and Chang and look at it and say Oh yeah like definitely that is. That's kind of its dish you know. I was on the winning team of teen challenge so far which was awesome. It was a vegetarian challenge. Which is something that I hold pretty near and dear to my heart and I made a pasta dish that similar to one of my opening dishes from Fox in the knife. So that really you know that meant a lot to me. That was something I sorta hold in my heart. Yeah and I've been on the top for a bunch of quickfire challenges and are just. Kinda I haven't we haven't won anything yet but You know it just kind of moving forward and feeling really good about About sort of the work that I'm doing in the way that I'm competing so far and you got to cook with your sister. I got to cook with my sister which was amazing and hilarious at the same time. My sister's one of the smartest people that I know she is a medical scientist. Say That about me and she is. She is so smart and so thorough and really such a hard hard hard worker but she doesn't know a ton about food so she was very determined she was like. I have to do my best. We're both very competitive people. And we you know are want to win by nature and you know work really hard but the cooking piece of APP you know. She doesn't she doesn't. She doesn't Cook that much. She started one of those people that she'll call me and say I'm looking at this recipe and it says that I need basil but I don't have basil. So Oh my God what will I do? And I'm like she's the recipe literal Vaclav. Exactly which is. I think about her a lot when I'm writing recipes. I'm working on my second cookbook now. When I write recipes I think about you know my sister in the question she would ask and I usually try and throw in something like if you don't have this ingredient that's fine. Here's something that you can substitute or something can do instead. So but it was great. She came out and I was so happy to So so happy to see her picked her up and you know hugged her for probably longer than was appropriate. You just were so isolated so to see our friends family and loved ones. I think it's one. It was a really big boost and two. It was a little bit heartbreaking. You know when they left saw a bittersweet. How hard is it to keep the secret about who won? Oh Well I recite a little a little million dollar nondisclosure agreements that makes it not makes it a little bit easier but I think like anything right like it's the second time that I'm doing it so like I you know it's it's a little less hard never comes in and says. I really hope you win and I I know me too. I really hope I went to at least you know how to answer this general so Karen I. I hate to bring up the obvious point. But it's clearly bitter sweet to be on top chef at a time when the industry is going through. When it's going through I mean it's amazing publicity for your restaurant And I guess in a way it does help because Fox knife is open for takeout and delivery Before we talk about that. Let's let's talk about Fox in the knife because it's still a new restaurant. It is the hour still slow. Baby were just over a year old. You know we opened in February of two thousand nineteen February second and we have had. We had just such an incredible first year. I'm not one to say that I'm a little bit cynical. I saw the time. I never want to get too excited about anything. But we could not have asked for a better first year. We were busy. We were successful. We you know. I opened the restaurant to be a neighborhood restaurant right. I opened it. It's largely inspired by the time that I spent living and Working Amelia Romagna in in Italy. You a piece of it was bringing that food to life would part of Boston are you in. I'm in south South Boston so downtown in Southie and part of it was bringing that food to life. Part of it was bringing a little bit of my a little bit of whimsy and my my own personal. Take on that food to life. Part of it was just creating a space that I really missed from from living in MODERNA You know just an attack us that we would hang out at and coming together and being a community and That piece of Italian culture was really what I was craving in what I wanted to create. I wanted to create a space where you know we have Upper tvos starts at four thirty every day for an hour before dinner service. And you know You Know Deborah. I in the Boston Globe wrote kind of get the feeling that Karen opened this restaurant because she wanted to drink spritzers and eat olives. And potato chips with you and like that's fine. We want to do that too and I was like that is kind of what I wanted to do. I WANNA you know I. I wanted to create that feeling. That is so prevalent in Italy and Europe across Europe. In general headed you living in Italy I was the sous chef or a chef who had lived Moderna as well and I had kind of contract to open a new restaurant. I knew that was only going to be a six month project and I said I think this is my time. I just been through a a very bad break-up also I think it's always important to note. Is those those moments that seem terrible or off often turning points in our lives and I was like I'm GonNa go. I'm just GonNa go and do it of eat. Pray love moment. Sounds like -solutely and I actually read so funny. I read that book while I was there. I found it in an airport bookshop and Bologna and I was like interesting. And you're in Austin at the time. I was in Boston at the time Yup and got offered to go to Italy. I asked my chef. I can call anybody and see if I if I can go in stock and he said. Okay you can go. But he doesn't. Have you know you can go to? Modina says my Max sees a chef there. He owns a restaurant. You can go. He doesn't any have anywhere free to live and I said okay. That's great in like two weeks. I said that's great. That's great it'll be fine. I sublet my apartment. Put everything I owned in storage and bought a plane ticket and I left like I I thought. Oh fine I can. I can speak. I can say all of the food words in Italian and that will be enough. I was not moving to Rome or Fit Enza or somewhere where people spoke English sort of across the board. I moved there and there are very few people spoke English. I didn't speak any Italian. I had nowhere to live. You know it just goes to show you when you're young and foolish you know. You just have have earned competence. Yeah I'll just go do it and I ended up living and working there for a year. I worked as a stage I worked a pasta maker. As opposed Diallo had a pasta shop at a Pacifico and I was. I got a job as a chef at like a forty seat Anna Teke and when I say the chef I mean yes. I was the CHEF. I wrote the menu. I came up with the dishes. I also was the dishwasher but prep cook the Line Cook. It was just me in the kitchen. You know. And that's one of those. That's one of those moments that I think back and when things feel really hard. I'm like well if I can do that you know I can do anything. So back to the state Other a couple of different things I had to come back for my sister's wedding. My sister was getting married and so I knew I needed to make a trip back anyway. And at that point in time a friend of mine had emailed me and said you know. I know that you're there and I think that you're in a stay for awhile. But honestly tune at Liana in Cambridge looking for a sous chef and I said I would see if you were interested and I was very interested in working there. I think that ANA has always been at the forefront of modern Middle Eastern food. It was one of my favorite restaurants thought that was a great opportunity. I really missed queer community. I really missed you know being in a I mean living in Boston living where I live I had a very vibrant gate community that I was ensconced in and I didn't really have that when I when I lived in in Mona and that was something that I was. I was dearly in shortly missing so between having to come back for my sister's wedding starting a conversation with Ana about going to work only on and really you know kind of like missing my people in my community. A lot of folks don't realize this but the women food scene in Boston is incredible and it's tremendous It is like you know. I don't want to take away from any other city but I think you know we joke around Massachusetts Boston. You know we we hang onto some puritanical laws for a really long time and so on and so forth and I can see in ways that we are. We are behind in some things but we have always had this incredible female chef community. And whether you want to say it goes back to Julia Child. Or Lydia Shire. You know the Jody Adams the Barbara Lynch Joanne Chang on There is just this amazing group of women who have been the chefs owned and operated their own restaurants for a really long time. And I think more so than anywhere else in the country absolutely you you come from a really wonderful legacy there so you worked for Ana and then after that. Is that when you worked for Joanne town did I actually took a year and I went to work for a nonprofit called fresh roots in Lowell and I. It was a social enterprise so it was working with young young people who are getting out of jail or getting out of gangs and teaching them how to cook and running a catering business that program you go back one step so you're working for. Ana YOU'RE GONNA go into the nonprofit world. Why did you do? I worked on for three years at only on. I worked with Also worked with Cassie Puma. Who was my shift cuisine? At the time and I might undergraduate degrees in social work graduated from Umass with a degree in family and community Services a minor in public health animator women's studies. And you know. I think that you know I've been cooking for a really long time. And you know I I always. I'm always thinking about how. How can we do more to do more for people for our community sewn and so forth and my girlfriend? At the time randomly this ad this job listing on I on idealist and said. Wow this job if you combine your old life and your new life. This is the job that you would take. It's cooking and its use work. And how cool is that? And it just gave me pause and I you know ended up. You know leaving restaurants and going to work for a nonprofit for a year so Karen was that a premeditated move or did that come totally allocate totally out of the blue. It was one of those you know one of those moments where you come across something and you think And I remember thinking well if I could do that I would and then thinking to myself well I can. I can kind of you know. We're all the architects of our own lives to some degree. And so maybe I'll try. I think that is something that comes up for me a lot. Should I do this? I don't know while I guess I could try. How did that experience change you as a chef so I had? I had been in kitchens for such a long time and cooking and on and so forth and this was such a big piece of my job was the administrative part of it. The financial part of it you know operating a business I ran a catering business through the social enterprise and so whether it was. Just you know excel sheets. You know. Follow up financials. Pnl's things like that I spent a year doing doing those things as well and that piece of it is something that really ended up making me better as a chef and better as a business owner. And then what about in terms of just sort of understanding your constituency. You talk about how Fox the knife you very much wanted it to be a neighborhood restaurant but did it sort of changed your idea about who you wanted to cook for what you're cooking. A lot of people say oh it's A. It's a neighborhood restaurant I always think. Just because you're in a neighborhood does not make it a neighborhood restaurant. My you know my goal is always that you kind of look at the dining room and you see quote unquote. Everybody and I think that was something that we were able to do. It Meyerson Chang and I think it's something that we see at Fox in the knife is that it appeals to a lot of people that your price points are such that folks can afford to come in two or three times a week and that you're not limiting people and then it's a place that feels warm and welcoming to everybody which I'm sure sounds incredibly cliche and at this point almost sounds antiquated because we see so few so few people every day. But you know the goal. Is that when people leave? They feel better than when they walked in the door. That's always my goal. And so how can we do that? And how can we do that for? Always more people in not less people will be right back with Karen after this quick message. Hi Bomb Squad. Let's go on a trip. To Rio. Ha the premier winemaking region in Spain. That's home to more than six hundred wineries Rio. How produces an incredible range of styles? Reds whites rose as and my favourite sparkling wines temper neo. 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I worked for Christopher years before at via Mata I worked in the front of the House as a bartender obscene culinary school and then I worked in the kitchen for two years and he texted me and said I think it's really nice that you're saving the world but It's probably time for you to come out of retirement. We're looking for a chef at Myers and Chang. Will you come talk to Joe and I I always say take every meeting And I sat down and you know much like a lot of other points in my life and I came in and did a tasting and we had lots lots of meetings. We had like five meetings about you know me possibly taking the job and I remember thinking. Hey well I can try. I don't know that I can do it but I can try you clearly or someone who loves the challenge. I really do. My mom has often said to me like. Oh you know I just. I worry about you so much because you always seem to take the hurt his path. Did you know Joanne? Well at that point I didn't know Joanna at all to each other to like. I would like say hello to her. You know if I saw her at Myers trigger with Christopher You know and seven years later. She is one of the people that you know at this point. It's almost nine years later but is one of the people that I'm closest to. She's a dear friend. She is a mentor. She somebody that I consider my family and she's another worse on the Boston. Seen She's the founder of all the flour bakeries and they're more than bakeries. I mean they're they're I don't know what do you call them. Cafes eatery bakeries cafes really and really anchors in in every community that they're which is which is pretty pretty amazing. So you're Myers and Chang for a little while. When did you decide? You wanted your own place and I think for me. That's always been something that that I've wanted I as far back as I can remember When I I mean going as far back casts a four. I really dove into restaurants full-time when I decided to go to Culinary School. I was applying to get my masters in social work and my girlfriend at the time said Karen. You never talk about like what you kind of talk about population you would wanna work out work with what you would. WanNa do the always talk about what you would do if you had your own restaurant so I think for me. That's always been something that's been in my heart and in the back of my brain but you know. There are a million hurdles to get over to open your own restaurant. And I was at Meyerson Chang for seven years. But after three years at Myers and Chang I became joining Chris Business Partner so I was the managing partner there for the last four years so not just running the kitchen you know and coming up the food in designing the menu but you know working on the business piece of the restaurant as well and we had plans to open at least another restaurant together. You know within our partnership and we had space in Cambridge that kind of fell through and then we were still looking and talking about it and we must have been in two thousand the end of two thousand seventeen or the beginning of two thousand eighteen where we sat down to talk about it and show and said you know. I just don't think that we want to make will continue to expand. Flower more bakeries. But I don't think we want to do another Another restaurant and we would love to you. Know We'd love you to stay forever but I understand if you have more inside of you that you want to do and if you need to leave and it took me a really long time to make the decision if I like leaving therefore like like cutting my arm off. I'd been there for a really long time. I felt you know for me. I felt very instant the fabric of that restaurant. And I you know I still do. I hold it very near and dear to my heart. I really came into my own. A CHEF WHO? I really figured out who I was. I really learned how to not just run a kitchen but running kitchen well and efficiently and successfully and how to run a business and it took me a handful of months but finally made the decision that I was that I was going to leave and I i. I don't even know that I was able to get the words out when I told Joanne. I think I was just crying. Those really really tough but I thought okay. If if I'm GonNa do it this is. This is the time and we had that year was. We had a wonderful year. We got a four star review in the Boston Globe. It was our ten year anniversary. That was the year the Myers chain. Cook wrote the book to coincide with our tenure anniversary and then in May of two thousand eighteen. I won the James Beard Award for best chef northeast big year. This really good. When you're on the road to Fox in the knife tell us about what's his name is. You know I went back and forth about a bunch of different names and I certainly wasn't trying to come up with something. That was like odd or esoteric. But it's like even I imagined when naming a baby go through a million names and we kept going back and forth and we want it to be something that felt that didn't feel so traditional. I didn't want to just be like a one woman girl name. You know we thought about naming it after my niece or my. Yeah that's like it was like a thing at that point in time I feel like two thousand seventeen. Two thousand eighteen was really the years of the one woman female name of a restaurant. God I think I was so tired I remember. We may specify were eating pizza. We were going back and forth and we had we have been thinking about using crow at in the name of the restaurant because my mother's maiden name as crow and we had come back and forth and tossed around like Fox and the crow from Ace ups fable and my my spouse going all Fox Foxy Fox in the night no Fox with the knife. That's you you're the Fox with the knife or we were asked you know we were laughing and it just stuck I said well we'RE NOT GONNA call it that but we started just calling it the Fox or foxy or Fox in the knife when we were talking about it and it was the only thing that stuck. I was like okay. I guess. That's you know I guess that's it the now of course we couldn't imagine you know we couldn't imagine anything else and we actually have my friend. Alexis enrich did a gorgeous mural for us on the back wall the dining room that's A rendition of a solid stable of the Of the Fox the crow so tell us about the menu. We know it's an Italian restaurant. What were some our greatest hits Are by far our FA Kacha which is kind of difficult to direct at all but is a little bit reminiscent of that. And how do you do it? It's a it's a more traditional Kacha. So it's you know a little spongier And it's a rosemary Selena olive oil Kacha and when I was originally thinking about it I was going to put stretch tele on top some kind of tomato and stretch Attila Psycho. That doesn't really want to do something else. In the went back and forth between at and one day I was like what if we put the cheese inside. What if we bake them off? Slice them with the cheese inside. Put them back together. We had this little deck oven that I inherited With the restaurant and we baked them to order with the cheese. So stuff taleggio. In a little bit of Mozzarella's you get that sort of cheese. Paul and I think it was like the cheese poll heard round the world Food and wine called at one of the best bites of two thousand nineteen and that became definitely one of our one of our signature dishes grownup grilled cheese. We also have in the bread section of our menu. I make To Jelly which are very traditional media. Romagna little muffin. It's like a carpenter a muffin and we make in an iron that I brought back from Italy on the stove. Top Ten years ago you could only make six at a time and they're just one of my favorite things in the world and pretty special. So that's definitely one of our greatest as well. We have a Broccoli Allegri just a grilled Broccoli. Caesar Salad that has a Like a white me so incur Coloratura Caesar dressing on it with lots of Migas Lemon Zest and Parsley and are tolerable in Asia which I learned to make my bonus a in in Bologna. When I lived in Romania and I I change it a little bit I add some wild boar to it which is a little nod to to Tuscany where he spent a lot of time with just incredibly Light tally and that is you know. Definitely one of the dishes that I get the most emails deums comment cards about the people. Say this brought me back. I felt like I was in Italy. Felt like I was in Tuscany. I felt like I was in Romania. This to me brought me back to that place. Which is yeah. I mean if if there was any goal that I had that that's certainly one of them so let's talk about the tough stuff what you and your team are going through Right now obviously know what when down in New York and on that chart table. I'm guessing Boston was probably a few days or a week behind New York City. Yeah five five days a week behind and man. Did it happen fast? I remember hearing we were open completely open for business the week before we we never we never actually closed. We need not for one day. Do we shut our doors but before we went to A takeout Manav the week before we had our now. I I say this with no like you know. I don't know arrogance or anything at least an incredibly busy restaurant since the mid opener doors. We had our busiest sales week the week before we had to close or turn to a takeout model so we were kind of like yeah. We're we're busy we're going. We'RE FINE. We did not see that drop in sales that. I know a lot of people experienced at all. We definitely lost some reservations. We definitely had people pick them back up. We were busy and we you know I heard about what happened in New York and I thought okay I'm really going to have to star. I'M GONNA have to make a plan. So what does that look like If we have to operate at fifty percent capacity do we stay open to keep going and wrote you know a few different plans talked to? My staff came up with different Schedules different staffing. How how could we do this? Could we make it work? Could we make the numbers work and the other thing that I did was to say? Okay I am going to hold off on this as long as I possibly can but I'm gonNA come up with a take out menu. What makes sense for takeout? What do I feel comfortable putting a box? What do I feel comfortable that we can execute In a way that still is I felt committed. Cry Representative intrude to the restaurant. What we've always tried to do and I put all of that together. Sent it to my managers. I said come you know. Make a template menu for this. Get everything set up. I said I'm going to hold off doing this as long as they absolutely have to. I mean we. We'd never been open for takeout. We didn't do delivery at all. We didn't take it all. I said get this already that if we have to turn on a dime that we can do it and a piece of that. I was working on a second restaurant that was also in South Boston and a piece of that was a pacifico was a little pasta shop and when we were thinking okay what will happen if we have to shut down or turn to take molly so K. That might work. That piece of the new restaurants. Might maybe we can do that. We can do some wholesale pasta and sauces. I remember it was. We had those sort of things in place I said I WANNA be ready to go. I don't want it to be scramble. I wanted to be well thought out. I want it to be well done. It was a Sunday and my spouse were at home. We were waiting to. The mayor was making a speech and talking about covert nineteen and what would be expected of businesses and so on and so forth and he said okay you. We're going to reduce capacity to fifty percent which was exactly what we've seen happen in New York the week before and we had seen so many great restaurants immediately close and what. I think that people don't understand is that many of us cannot survive operate at fifty percent capacity that are urgency so thin as it. Is that even successful restaurants if you took away half of our seats it. It doesn't the MAC doesn't work. You can't also just reduce your staff by half is one of the things that I've talked a lot with people about to continue to put up the same level of food and the same level of hospitality which is such a big part of what we do. We can't just cut have of our staff. We need more people than that. And so then does your business model. Does your business model work but we said okay. We'RE GONNA WE'LL TRY. We sort of had these plans that day was our staff holiday party my managers and my managers all got there a couple of hours early sat down. Put our planets places said okay. Tomorrow this is the physicality of at where will we put? Half of our chairs will fit nurse. Storage unit will be put. Where will we put the put them at my house? We made a floor plan. We made a game plan. We made you know this. This whole thing. Ready to go party started at six PM. People started walking in the door and at six PM Governor Baker announced that we would not be allowed to remain open at all. That restaurants were still considered an essential business but only open for takeout and delivery so in the course of three hours. Our entire plan changed. What was the mood of the style or you know? I think people were people were coming in. I was almost in tears the entire time people are coming in. We wanted to sort of wait until everyone was there. And so I think a lot of people you know had already heard the news coming in and we're aware of it so but halfway through I sort of got up and you know Made the announcement to everyone in basically at our staff holiday party had to announce that Everybody was furloughed. Our entire team was for all all of our hourly staff. What we had decided that we were going to try and remain open All of my managers withstand staff you know and what I was able to come up within the hour or two that I had before announced it was we would pay everybody forty hours pto. I would continue to pay a hundred percent of everyone's health insurance for as long as we were able to. And that I would keep my managers on full salary and we would try and operate as a takeout business. I spent after announced it to my staff and announced it and then promptly burst into tears you know and talk to every single one of them and I mean we just have the best team in the world and everyone was just like chef. It's not your fault so this isn't this isn't your fault and I said nobody I feel you feel responsible for everybody. I spent the rest of the night on the phone with my sister. Her marketing team. Who CAME UP WITH? We came up with branding. We came up with new names for our takeout Arteta Concept Fox at home as well as our wholesale concept box pasta had to not do instagram accounts. Ready to go by the next morning we had. We did one night of service at fifty percent and Tuesday morning opened as a full takeout operation and wholesale Pastas nece. That was a fast pivot. Well but I didn't. I don't know I felt like I didn't want to lose momentum. I didn't want to let our team down. My Management Team was very adamant that they all wanted to be there and wanted to try and I just thought that. If I didn't try that I might look back and say did I try my very hardest to keep us afloat to keep going to keep serving community To Take Care of our team. Did I try my very hardest and that I would never forgive myself. I didn't feel like I did every single thing that I could do. And I did and do feel if we're deemed essential business and we can do it. I take that responsibility very seriously. And more you handling all the highs and lows in your life right now I would imagine. You're a little exhausted. Thank you for saying that. I am to being completely transparent. I'm completely exhausted. We Are Doing. We have been so. I mean we've worked very hard and we've been very well supported by our community and by our city. We are doing half the amount of sales that we were doing as open as a full service restaurant with eight people. We have three cooks and a pasta maker. A who are making all of the food and we are doing. We are doing the same amount of food sales that we were doing when we were open it is. We're lucky that we are this busy but man. It is exhausting and the highs and lows I think are the are the pieces. The emotional highs and lows are the pieces that are so hard as well. I have days where I come in and I'm like I just thought of a new thing. I'M GONNA okay. We figured out how to do this. And make seventy five pounds of Pasta a day and I'm GonNa Make Lotto now. Okay now we're GONNA do this. This will be. I'M GONNA make I'm going to do this project. You know in their days that that really keeps you going and the support from people who just bring us cards and write me emails and say thank you so much for staying open during this period of time. Thank you for giving us a bit of normal or thank you for making sure that my birthday was still really special. That keeps you that. Keeps you going my team? Who is the hardest working women in show business? Let me tell you we're all we're all female management team and these women just grind every single day and do it with a smile on each of their faces. They're phenomenal. That keeps you going. But in all honesty carry their days that I come home and I just start to cry. I cry for my employees. That aren't working. I cry for our industry at cry for humanity for our society. You know I think about what will every time somebody says. Well it'll be back to normal at some point. I think normal is not going to be. What normal was this is going to look really different. Who's leading the charge? Karen in the ball on the Boston. Zine for the rest I would say with without any sort of like bravado or I think we definitely are I think Sarma restaurant as well Cassie so cassie. Puma was when I was the chef at only on. Cassie Puma was the chef de cuisine. And Sarma is I mean. It's one of my favorite restaurants in the world much less the city. Cassie is so talented and so hard working and she and I you know especially when we were starting talked every day and we both kind of said okay. I think we're GONNA try and make a go of it and shared insight with each other and shouts shirt sales and shared methods with each other and they did the exact same thing they turned around. They've never closed and they just pushing and doing some really putting out some really amazing food with you know. I think they're team is seven or eight as well and they definitely are are restaurant leading the charge in in this and really saying we're not you know we're not down yet. We're not giving up. We're GONNA do everything we can to continue to feed people safely and responsibly. Have you aligned with any of the groups that have emerged like roar and yeah I mean I do my best to I mean you know? Save independent restaurants the Beard Foundation. You know any anything that we can sort of be a part of we are but I will say a piece of it. That is a very odd feeling is. There're so many people right now. That are quarantined. That are at home whose businesses are shut down and we are busier than we ever were. So I'm like I am in the kitchen for you know I'm working twelve. Fourteen sixteen hours a day to sort of keep everything afloat so I do. I do my very always do my best to be. You know I think inherently you know activism is a part of my my soul and kind of who I am you know and I do the best I can but we're still cranking every day at the restaurant. Well I am amazed. We've been following what you're up to your instagram. And it does not look like you've slowed down one bit and then you you know just trying to keep everybody's spirits up with top chef as well you know. It's I duNNo. It's remarkable Karen. I don't I don't know how you're doing everything you're doing right now. But but thanks for being a shining light as always in this industry that you are open and doing delivery and takeout What should people who live in the area order from? Gosh so we made sure to keep you know. All of our kind of we talked about before our greatest hits are Berkeley. Caesar Salad are FA Kacha Our chicken under a brick is actually one of the I mean travel so well and also. I think one of our most stellar dishes but Fox Pasta. Which is our wholesale Pasta Business? I think is something that we wouldn't have offered before that allows people to come and pick up a pound of Pasta. I make three different sauces every day. PESTO I make housemaid ricotta trouble butter compound butters try butters We also sell flour and olive oil. We're trying to you know Have some staples for people as well and I think that has really been what we've seen. The most excitement about is that you can take something home and you are making yourself but it's also you know it's A. It's a little less work than making your own Pasta at home. And that's something that we've been really proud really excited about. We see so many pictures on instagram of people tagging their pasta. And I'm so proud of everyone. I'm like Oh my God you guys for doing an amazing job. So that is sort of Ben. I think that that's like kind of the must-have Karen we're happy. You're doing okay. You know we really send her best year entire team and rooting for you on top. Well keep watching. It's an amazing season and I will say you know when the show was. It was the height of corona when the show was airing and I didn't know how to feel about it I didn't know if I should be celebrating it or promoting. It did that feel to did that. Feel shallow did it feel small and what I came to realize was is that people are really excited to have something to look forward to every week and to have people to root for and to see all these faces from past seasons that they love and so that for me I get to look at that as as a really as a bright spot. Absolutely and You you know you have worked so hard for so many years and have so many fans in this industry so don't question it. Everybody wants to celebrate you in is really happy for your success at Folks Want Support. Karen and you happen to live in the Boston area. You can check out their instagram. Check out their website. You mentioned you launched a few different instagram accounts. What are they yes so my personal instagram is chef guernica? What's And then we have fox in the knife. It's actually at Fox end knife on instagram and we also have at Fox Pasta Boston. And that's where you can get all of our updates at wholesale pasta menus than lots of really fun fun. Pasta picks folks cooking at home. And there's the Myers and Chang Cookbook. If you'd like to in fact yeah. Definitely having a resurgence right now is folks are at home. I KEEP GETTING PEOPLE. Keep sending me pictures of like. I just bought it on Amazon. Or just you know I just got the mayors and checking book so that's been really exciting to see people. People Cook from the book as well. No good all right. We'll Karen take care of yourself. Okay thanks you too. You're the bomb you two. That's it for today. Show thank you to chef. Karen O'Connor wits of Fox and the knife in Boston. If you live in the Boston area definitely check out their takeout and delivery menu and for all of you out there be sure to watch Karen on the currencies of top chef. Thank you to Smithfield culinary and the winds of Rio. Hof for supporting our show. Radio Cherry bomb is edited and produced by Jeff Seideman. Our theme song is all fired up by the band. Tra La la hanging there everybody and thank you for listening. You're the bomb. I'll have what she's having. Hi My name's Johanna Albertson and I work in public relations at Crewe. Consulting representing a ton of better for you. Snack brands and are placed cookware. I think that Adrian's are noted. Is the bomb because she quit her full time job to pursue her love of photography and now she's a published photographer in Lonny magazine. And the good shoots just keep on coming so andrew is my pick.
Crane Brewing Company And The Kansas City Economy
"Sports Update kingery Kansas City chiefs. Arrowhead empty joined Chris on iheartradio apple. Podcasts moving podcast. Spotify regard player. Fm Task Box and all third party. Applications CHECK US out on facebook platforms such as of date and Arrowhead and if you cannot find their research kingdom radio issues and you will find us. Welcome to the Kingdom. Welcome to kingdom radio. I am your host Richard Smith and you know we typically covered the chiefs and you know chiefs news and such tonight. We have a different scenario. Brought to the table with the corona virus. And everything doesn't full effect with social distancing and and small businesses take a huge hit on this What better time to really bring some innovation and awareness to the community about some potential leads moving forward and some some things that can protect your assets. That is your business and tonight I have. Christopher Myers with me. He's the owner of Crane Brewing Company in Kansas City Christopher. How are we doing this evening? Should you have? Ma'am I appreciate you coming on. This is an extremely important topic. You know. It's it's so important that sports you know the sports world everything has been put on. Hold Right now. We're under quarantine practicing social distancing. The president spoke this evening about possibly lifting some of these restrictions. You know so the economy can get back to you know a a stable point or at least in that direction and Chris. I've noticed a lot of things on social media the last few weeks You know about you working with local businesses and you you know really speaking out about the importance of staying local and doing research at with products and you know really really really knowing what you're buying to impact your local economy So Christopher I want to give you the opportunity to kind of give your opinion on this and the direction that you have taken You know even with the curbside sales you know with the brewing company and collaborating with other companies Chris. What is your outlook on this? What steps have you taken to maintain your business but also keep the community safe? I mean we are. We are definitely still on a day by day week by week situation You know we we had the initial shutdown and then extension now just been extended again till till mid May so it's trying to stay positive and Took the resources that we have and that the team. We have left when before this started. We were distributing in four states Just a very small burri but but we're have been fortunate enough to Kinda share bill over and almost immediately. We got emails saying That you know. All orders have been placed this from all our distributors Hours place or cancelled all future orders for the foreseeable future cancelled. And right before this. We had actually over brewed Because we had a big sales push coming up at one of our markets and so we sitting on depending on how we sell it anymore. Fifty nine hundred thousand dollars worth of fear that you know we're going to be able to do with So pretty much immediately. We kind of shifted focus. You know what can we still do out of our taproom? Taffer business has has been nice for people to come out and typically be able to enjoy the evening and half years and hang out and get food from from our partners there but without that We didn't know we know what it was. GonNa look like. We didn't know we'd get. We didn't know if people want to come out even buy beer to go With with the court situation So we pretty quickly We got an online store. Setups people could conveniently place orders online. We've never had that before that we can just do curbside and run it out to vehicles. They don't even have to come in But pretty quickly you know we were seeing people coming in you know every day of success. You're on the weekends but I think what it said into people. They really can't go out to bars. That really can't go out to restaurants For some people who have lost their jobs. There's not a whole lot else they can do right now. while they're waiting for something to happen and we one thing that that really hurt us you know even though our business has been greatly impacted again we had for low all of our employees We since have been able to kind of figure out a plan to bring some of them back So that we keep brewing nowhere near normal production but if we can fill a tank some here made it out. That's great and Yeah so we we. We knew the people that are really are obviously hospitality. Voices movie theaters bars restaurants. These places especially for most of our businesses is how we tell our beer. These people that allow us to do it. We do brewing ensuring here So we we got contacted and got in touch with friends of ours In the industry who started the Casey Hospitality Support Initiative? It's a really great Organization just starting that their whole mission is initially was getting gift cards to to people who needed it adds. That could still get the food They've kind of shifted. Now that some of the stimulus money has come out now. That unemployment is kicking people. But they're still a level of You wouldn't entry that are underemployed. You know maybe they they are still getting to work for whatever Bar Restaurant. They're doing sales doing food service But it's still way cut back from what they would usually be earning and so there were still supporting them. We did a batch of your. It's just a phase and we did a special edition. Maple and set aside a couple hundred cases to where all of this beer that sold percentage those sales go back to that group One of the beers that we do year round is called undergone and It was one that we had over brewed. And it's a great beer but we didn't know how we are going to be able to and it just kind of occurred to me one day one thing people could probably use right now is a good beer and So we we set aside a couple of hundred cases of that and just blasted out there if you're in the hospitality industry and you've lost He's lost your job to come back hours. Come by and get a free six pack so we we posted that for a while until we kind of went through that beer but Got It's it's it's tough to see so many businesses. How many local restaurants who've been in the city for decades who whose owners employees have put so much work into them How quickly they can kind of with our way right and some of them are still limping along by by getting to go support but some of them are are down and may not ever joke. So I think I'm sorry I'm just hoping you know if there's GonNa be a positive side. Whenever instrument wasn't just that awareness you know get more give more Even more thought to to to their purchases you know restaurants especially now when your your home and your delivery anyways kind of best make the time to try new restaurant to try some place now and then some of that the big companies right correct and you know this is this is really been an eye-opener for You know a lot of businesses realizing that your business model had to change Practically overnight and if you were not know up on that power curve I mean within hours you know. Business was declining And you know and and different moves were being made as far as the quarantine and in social distancing and it just it was it was a domino effect. One thing after another happened in it got to a point where this small businesses were standing there with their hands in the air and so it it you know it really affected you know. Obviously everybody because nobody was prepared for it. But you know that. And that's why I bring people you know like you on the podcast is because you're innovative thoughts and you thinking towards the future and understanding this economies lacking right now and there's real there's no real direction so somebody has to take the bull by the horns and and really you know lead some of these small businesses in our direction. You know because. Let's be honest. A lot of these things are even simply collect connecting generations because there's generation gaps between business. And what the economy is right now and a lot of these? You know owners that have owned businesses for decades are falling behind and falling off simply. Because they don't know what to do so. I feel like this exposure you know and especially with you is an important aspect because you can bring light to a subject where some of these business owners are standing there. You know with their hands tied in don't know a direction and really don't have an idea of how to get through this scenario. Yeah I think If you're if you're able especially if you're another business Kind of utilizing. If you've got a way to make some kind of revenue if you've got a way to keep going You can kind of put a hand up there and help other people Who are for hurting We've got a coffee company. Quinto coffee that operates out of our taproom in the morning he he does most of his business people coming in. And you know doing Latina's and coffee drinks. But he's had always too matronly shook that just because that's not as big of a priority into his majorly changes business doing a lot. More packaged Beans go really kind of focused on his Coffee SUBSCRIPTION. He's provided. I'm yours provides great coffee but he's tried to find a way to draw some beans. That are a little bit more affordable brown bags specials for people and We've got. We've got him attached to our website. Now people get their coffee and beer. One place Besides being a burried son bjarte tapper. We've always carried local wine local spirits and I'll admit a lot of that stuff disappeared pretty quickly to us now employees when we were kind of figure things out and but we're finally to afford. I'm to restock. We brought in more wine. Just they're hurting almost more than we are because they have their tasting room is further out it convenient for people to get sick directly. We want from them We just ended last week and this week brought in more spirits from our local distilleries and just because we thought that that people already coming in. Maybe we can also help sell anything. Keep things moving. I mother local businesses and just trying to trying to stay positive Yes it's it's definitely you know. My personal life is is very different. I've I've mostly self quarantine myself because we've got three kids. My my wife has been moved to to working from home. She works for the government Our our kids childcare normally with my mother and my mother-in-law but because if of health concerns for them and their age we set but quickly that we just want them. You know going out more than they needed to especially. Since I couldn't totally be so news new schedule is I've got the kids in the morning and try and get as much as I can't do off so having three kids until my wife cuts on the afternoon and then we kind of switch then I can get a little bit more stuff done. I'll go into the burri late at night or early in the morning or on the weekends when no one else. Is there But I've got I've got a really great team. Most of our employees have since we started and they're just dedicated and special and so it it it's I I have full faith and trust in them but it was kind of a weird transition for me to kind of give over some things that I would usually do To them to give them something to do during this time. But it's it's yeah it's just It's GonNa be it's GonNa be interesting even as we kind of reopened We do a big big beer festival in the fall. And it's not until September but it's it's another one of those things where it's like you know surely we should be at least closer to being opened by then But at the same time even you know even if everything opens up right before then I don't really want to be the organization that hosts a beer festival that brings thousands of people together in one place you know. I don't want to be one of the first people to do that. Especially if you've ever been to a beer festival it's you have tasting glass in your handing it back and forth to all the Burris who are filling it for you. It's just the least ideal it. It's it's it's it's it's 'cause we raise. We raised so much money for a local rate Qantas Club. And so we don't want to just you know sh shut shut that that resource out right absolutely an any. No you're you're providing so many facts and you know concerns that other local businesses haven't got to voice and I think that you know this is an important time to go back to your roots a little bit and realize that you know and this is something that you know with myself and you included even with Casey King Radio and Crane Brewing Company partnership is a key aspect of business and this scenario right here shows all local businesses that in a sense it takes all of us you everyone working together to make this economy work and especially right now you know getting back to your roots and family and and integrity and innovation. This is extremely innovative time. And so I guess it's just important to have that foundation and have somebody who's aware of change and partnership and and moving forward to bring some light to the subject because it really is a dark period and even at times I'm left with my hands up wondering what's next and and and you know where the economy is going so just the partnership that you're displaying right now with these other companies You know the the delivery to carry out all those things. It just proves that You know integrity and partnership is a key aspect to the community and the economy and this is probably the most important time for all this to utilize those resources and really not be scared to reach ow for either one help or or just direction of some kind so You know Chris. I know you know your thoughts behind list because you you display you. You're very vocal about them and is very appreciative. So I just feel like you know your thoughts can can can really be innovative. And is there anything that you have moving forward any type of advice for businesses or or anything like that Really just keep things moving. Because you haven't quit I mean it is one thing after another. You're you're you're on it no matter what you have to do Webpage. Services curbside pickup. Whatever it is is there anything moving forward you would just hey. Businesses LOCAL CANC- businesses. Check this out. If I could say anything to you this would be. I'm I'm hoping one thing I love about. The industry manage one. The reasons early on I Royce to absolutely where I wanted to be is. It's a very tight knit community of other other businesses so most most things most industries. You say you want to start a business you reach out to other people and you say hey. I like what you do I WANNA do to. They say you know well. Good luck figuring out on your own. There's a been level competition with burris every brewer. Every Burri on. I talked to her for starting to come over here. Let's see we can do to help you and even even now as tight as things are. It's still that way Literally minutes before you called me. I was on a call for another Burri kind of looking into starting home delivery and he had some questions and so we're still the chicken and of people bouncing ideas. How each other Especially with everything moving to to to go you know. We're all in our own little areas of the city right now. There's not a lot as much direct competition anymore. Since one thing. That's amazing I can't think the guys there now. Fat Diametrically Summit They had the idea kind of came up really quickly and they've turned it together and this weekend will be the third run of it but created an event called together. We can talk and they basically everyone was having you know. Every all bruce were hearing this we have customers. Were like you know. I love all my local breweries. I want to support them all. I'm doing my best to kind of drive for me to buy a little bit from each one to support him Instead idea what if we talked to the state will forget what. What if we brought US many local breweries together twins? Fides KEEP IT SAFE. Make it drive through only You know keeping you know all the the US and the menus and everything keep everything. Totally sanitized Make it efficient. What if we got everyone together? And so they've they've done that. They're doing all the legwork bruce drop off all the ear they inventory at they put it in their system and then they put it online like twenty four hours before the event people can go to their staff and then it's just a very quick process you don't they don't get other car. They just pull the car up their trunk people you know load them up with what they purchased and are on their way And that's been a that's been a lifesaver for rest and a lot of grease around town And that's just that's just something you know we try and do And so I. I'm hoping I would. I was getting his. I'm hoping other industries. Who maybe they weren't as close knit. Maybe there wasn't really a network That they were part of maybe they can kind of build those. They can reach out to the people that they do. You say what are you doing? Here's what we're doing and and keep keep those those look streets Goeman yes and I want to mention a local foundation has gone nationwide and this is just for local connections of any kind of business investment. Wise there's a foundation called one million cups and it is funded by the COP and foundation and like I said they are nationwide but that is a foundation you know the the help small businesses and and it helps grow and network and partner up with other networks to create this innovation that you and I are talking about right now so not only is important to have a clear vision and focus on the future no matter where the economy is but also utilizing the tools that are you know put before you buy the community and by these different foundations especially Kauffman Foundation. If you're can't city resident in their most of your life you know exactly what the Kauffman Foundation is and it just takes doing some research and reaching out to these foundations And and really starting a partnership or just a relationship with them Chris. I'm not sure if you're familiar with one million cups. It's been years but I actually went and spoke In front of them and it was after the business had come gotten started and so it was more than you know and they they invite him talk but it was more of like an intro for my business rather than The kind of the start of side that I know a lot of the discussions. Are they do a great job of you know even if you're in the very early stages of starting a business and you want to go and talk and present? They've got a room full of intelligent people in different fields. And can give you really quick feedback on no advice on what you're doing and so i. I was very impressed by that absolutely. I actually spoke for one million cups as well I did that last July. And so yes that was a really great opportunity for me As well and and you know like you said it's really just to give you and I wouldn't necessarily gifts they give your pitch is to give your back story on why you're doing what you're doing now and the integrity behind your business to build those relationships within the community and you never know who's sitting in the audience who can you know lend a hand or or who is an investor or or anything like that so Yes don't be scared to reach out to these organizations Kansas City. There's plenty available even during this time and I know that one million cups they don't have anything virtual as far as giving your pitch but to get the ball rolling. This would be a great time. You A lot of. Don't have anything I don't WanNa say do anything better to do. But this is a time to be innovative. I mean we are forced into this. So yeah really do your research in and see what's available to you as a small business there in Kansas City. Because I'm Chris like you had mentioned can't can't city is a bigger city but it's a small community and you know within the brewery community you know there's all this help and people welcoming welcoming entrepreneurs with open arms and you know that should be the same in every industry because if you scratch each other's back. I mean the sky's the limit and you know like you're doing right now. Chris were you you all. Keep each other afloat so I just. That's the awareness behind what's going on and and so I guess the most important thing for for this is to state innovative change with the Times change with The economy chain with the quarantine. Just give yourself an opportunity to thrive in a time that otherwise you know we look at is possibly depression. But you have to figure out a way to maintain this scenario and there's actually lighted into the tunnel Chris. I think that's a huge thing. I'm not sure if you watched the president address the nation tonight but there seems to be light at the end of the tunnel and that gives me more confidence as a business owner. And I'm sure you as well kind of talk about that a little bit. Does it seem like things are picking up at it or is this something that's maintaining and hasn't really shown any signs of a break for for the beer industry? It's it's kind of early fights because we are changing a lot of our plans. We are getting some things moving. That will work better for the situation. Right now So like nobody were providing river brewing new beers were brewing back sizes to meet all of markets. And because we don't have that available. It's Kinda giving us time to to do some smaller. That stuff that we know that will move what Allah in small quantities to the taproom. In kind of stretch out be creative. Do Some beers that we've never really done before Because we don't we don't have that concern if you know just hitting that It it's it's tough off. Select could tell people it's kind of a balanced for us because you make your choices right now. The short term that might benefit figure right. Now you know when things do get gone up again you don't want to If trying to figure out what you can do that's helpful now but won't won't screw things up in the long run when everything does get going again so like one thing we did talk about was US doing drug delivery we had that all set up and then you talked about it more than I my partners and I and we we we. We suspended it so we had. We had posted on Monday at home delivery on Tuesdays and had a great number of orders placed interested but we kind of talked about inside. This is something that we uterus now. This could really save and and help what we're doing but in the long run you know we want. We've got distributor South Park nursing seller beer throughout the market. We don't want you know. We went to still be able to sell beer that they still have in their house. We want our local liquor stores and grocery stores to be able to sell our beer so we suspended. You know you said you know. Maybe it's something would reconsider down the road if things get worse but at the meantime we don't we don't want to make a decision just to quickly like that if it could factor things later on What else I think I think there is hope. I think this has been like the longest month of my life and the idea that we have you know another month ago. It's become more normal Hopefully people were finding different outlets. I think everybody that first week just just kind of you know in a in a sound system. I've seen TALK TO FRIENDS AND PEOPLE NOT BUSINESSES. Who found a new schedule a new routine even if they are stuck at home To to try and be productive and I think if everyone can do you know little things like taking a shower dressed I think that's that's really important. It's it is as maintaining somewhat of a routine you know in a time period where our routine has been thrown off dramatically almost two point of being stagnant and and for you know everybody in the economy. That's not a reality that we can come to terms with because it's not a scenario where anyone you know Can can sit on their hands and just wait for something to happen. So Chris you've brought some really great analysis and ideas to the table the evening and that's really what it's all about is just realizing the times are hard right now and every day like you have done You know it's been trial and error you know there's things that are going to stick. There's things that you know are gonNA fall by the wayside and like you said you posted up on your website. Hey we're going to be doing deliveries and by the next day. That was suspended on at but it's all within the best interest you know of of crane brewing and so that's something that all small businesses can take heed and say. Hey you know this could be an idea But explore all avenues of it because at the end of the day. It might not be within your best interest and might not fit back into your original business. Model that you're going to have to mold back. You know once all of the the virus and everything has settled so It's a very interesting time so Chris I really appreciate you coming on and sharing your information and facts and what you've been able to do You know to keep crane brewing open and flowing and realistically serving the community because that is what it's all about. You're not you're not doing this to for your health. This is the serve the community make money And a supply and demand. So you know this this is going to be posted on lots of different business platforms for many viewers to see I look forward to more companies reaching out and saying hey we would really like to come on here and boy some of our concerns and our opinions and what we're doing with our business model to kind of mold and shape it into the times and this is your your chance. Kansas City. Uh Small Business Owners reach out. This is also a way to connect with one another and and you know develop bigger business relationships so Chris. I really really really appreciate you coming on this evening. I hope that you got out everything that you wanted to win. And this was kind of you know a great way for for you to get some stuff off your chest because I know like you said last month has been the longest month your life and and you know sometimes you just need to vent a little bit and talk to some other Casey business owners and put your heads together so this is Kinda my wave connected all of you and I really hope that you enjoyed this an appreciate you know the the thought behind this absolutely no. I can't I can't thank you enough. I kind of put it back on again. It's super impressive. That you were kind of changing in using using the from the heaven and what you've built to help other people. It's it's really great and I appreciate and that is really what it's all about folks that Christopher Myers owner of crane brewing company there in Kansas City. If you are familiar with the champ stamp beard that is the beer that commemorated a guy who put the champ chat tattoo on them. Which I'm sure a lot of you. And she's keen more familiar with and those are some of the proceeds go to the fifteen and homeys foundation. So there's great causes within this business. Please please support your local businesses. All this run directly out of Kansas City cream brewing company is absolutely local. There's no back into their story that reaches out to any other demographic Kansas City. Please please support crane brewing company all these local businesses and like. I said I've said this lot tonight. This is strictly to raise awareness and get your word out there as a local business and keep everybody informed in an intact as a community and a network so Kansas City. I really really appreciate your time and I look forward to in the next local business coming on Christopher. I appreciate your time as well so with that. I'm going to in this broadcast tonight. Kansas City. You keep your head up and we will continue to be innovative and make moves throughout the economy to get things back in the right direction. So Hey will have a stress free night. Kansas City and I will speak with you soon. Thank you thank you for tuning in to go to podcast for everything can citizens.
Apr 20, 2020
"Hello and welcome back to sort and skill daily. I'm your host Ryan Williams. It's Monday April twentieth. Coming UP ON CERTAIN SCALE DAILY. A married couple of shot and killed during a home invasion in West Jordan. Utah authorities in Virginia announced. They charged five suspects with the May two thousand eighteen. Murders of Michael Coleman Rachel Zoo now and it was soon as fourteen year old son. Kyrie's the FBI alleges that Christopher Dobbins a former vice president of Georgia medical supplies distributor sabotage the shipping a personal protective equipment and retaliation for being fired from his job. Finally the suspect at three six hour Alabama crime spree the left four people dead surrendered himself to authorities in Birmingham. All this and more coming up on certain scale daily Abune reports that a young couple was killed during a suspected home invasion in west Jordan in the early morning hours of Saturday April eighteenth and a statement released on Saturday. The West Jordan Police Department identified the victims as Tony. And Catherine Butterfield. The Department spokesman Sergeant. Jj Holt told the tribune that the couple's three children all under the age of four were also present at the house. But we're not harmed. Police officers responded to run one fifteen. Am on Saturday. After a neighbor called report that they were hearing gunfire and woman's screams coming from the direction of the Butterfield. Residents responding officers. Found Tony Deceased in the backyard. Kevin's body was discovered inside. The home. Both had been shot. According to sergeant hold there were signs of a struggle inside the house? And it's believed. The suspect followed Tony and in the process suffered a knife wound a possible. Blood trail led from the house around the corner to where police believe that getaway car was parked. The couple's belongings looked like they'd been rifled through but it's not clear. What if anything was taken searching hold said that unlike in most home invasions where the motive is to steal? Either money or drugs in this case. It doesn't appear that the suspect was looking for either sergeant hold key. Tv News to quote. We're not sure of the move behind it. We know that two people were killed now. We need to find out the WHO and the why according to an online fundraiser. Tony and Catherine Mesh shortly after they both returned from serving as missionaries the butterfields were well-known in their communities and took on positions in their local congregation of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter day. Saints the couple had three young children the oldest about four years old and the youngest about six months old a statement from the Butterfield. Family states quote Tony and Catherine Credible Christ lake kind happy and loving parents. We mourn their loss but we are grateful for the knowledge. We have that we will be with them again. We hold no ill will towards the perpetrators and pray for them and their families. We ask for prayers for Tony. Catherine's three sweet children as well as the many many people who love Tony and Catherine the West Jordan Police Department has assured the public that they are working hard to bring resolution to this case. Our next story brings us. Virginia Five Philadelphia men have been charged with the May two thousand nineteen triple murder in spot. Sylvia County Virginia. The bodies of thirty nine year. Old Michael Coleman his partner thirty four year old Rachel and Rachel fourteen year old son Cairo. Suna were discovered on. May Twenty ninth two thousand nineteen inside the rural home on Arlene acres drive. They were found by Cairo's his father who came to the property to look for a son after failing to reach him by phone. Real Zena and Michael Collins two young children a toddler a six week old baby were found inside the home to hydrated but unharmed since then the investigation including multiple law enforcement agencies including the FBI The Philadelphia Police Department the DEA and the Maryland State police proceeded for the most part out of the public eye according to the Fredericksburg Freelance Star even search warrants in the case where sealed last week. The suspects identified as thirty year. Old James Christopher Myers twenty-seven-year-old Jared Anthony Allen thirty year old. Jamal Kelvin Bailey. Thirty year old. Hugh Cameron Green and 26-year-old Mantell Julie Wilson. They've each been charged with three counts of first degree murder. It's not known how long their extradition of Virginia will take the possible reason for delaying. Extradition is because except for green of the suspects are already in custody in Pennsylvania for unrelated offenses the Free Lance Star reports that three of the suspects have prior criminal records. Pennsylvania between two thousand eleven and two thousand eighteen. Hugh Greene was convicted for manufacturing illegal drugs with intent to deliver an offense that dirt Allen was also convicted of in two thousand thirteen. The youngest of the suspects twenty six year old mantell Wilson was convicted of manufacturing with intense delivered. Twice both in two thousand thirteen and two thousand sixteen and two thousand thirteen. Wilson was charged with assault and attempted murder but the charges related dismissed. This next story brings us to Georgia forty year old Christopher Dobbins a former vice president of a Georgia medical device packaging company is accused of sabotaging shipments of personal protective equipment or PPA's during the corona virus pandemic he was charged on Wednesday according to the Atlanta Journal Constitution. Dobbins was the former vice president of finances for Georgia based Stratos Healthcare accompanied the packages and distributes medical supplies such as PS two healthcare workers dobbins was hired by Stratus in two thousand sixteen and based on sworn affidavits was twice the subject of disciplinary actions resulting from conflict with other departments in addition in December of two thousand Nineteen Dobbins access to the company's shipping system was revoked the FBI alleges that before success was terminated Dobbins created fake user account which used to illegally access the system after being banned on March Second Twenty Twenty Dobbins was fired from stratus. He received his final paycheck on March. Twenty sixth the FBI Charge States March Twenty Ninth. Dobbins use a fake account he had created to hack into the strategy. Shipping System allegedly created a second fake users account and using the second account. Other one hundred fifteen thousand shipping records and deleted an additional twenty three hundred then. He deactivated both fake accounts. Logged out the entire hack less no longer than forty five minutes. The records had dobbins interfered with container shipping information for P. P. PACKAGES. There were due to be delivered the same day. The shipments that were delayed. We're going both to the south and to New York. The sabotage was noted an internal investigation Mark Dobbins as the possible suspect due to his acrimonious history with the company on April seventh stratus healthcare inform the FBI of their suspicions FBI analysts were then able to treat the IP address used by the fake counts to Christopher Dobbins. This led to the charges against him. United States attorney. Young J. Pack told the hill quote. This defendant allegedly disrupted the deliveries of personal protective equipment in the middle of a global pandemic. The Department of Justice is dedicated to moving quick cases like this to bring criminal opportunities to justice and protect the public during these challenging times. After the break in Birmingham Alabama the suspect of four homicides surrendered to police. What do you think of? When you hear the word citrus. Is it orange slices after a soccer game or a lemon wedge in your water at your favorite restaurant yes and yes but another thing that citrus brings to mind sharing because citrus was literally made to be shared and no one knows that better than sunkist sunkist grows the type of citrus. You can't wait to peel or add your favorite recipe. That was just missing that one thing and with over forty citrus varieties. 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He suspected in three additional homicides which happened during the ledge thirty six our crime spree spanning the state of Alabama. Nash was discovered shot and killed around sunrays on Friday Auburn. Police officers responded to the fire. Department's request for help at the scene of a car fire on highway. Two Eighty nashes body was found not far from a Fleming White Chevy Silverado inside creative habitat landscaping where she worked. Investigators believed the she was shot after interrupting a robbery car. A black two thousand Nineteen Nissan Frontier. Was Missing. Hightower is also suspected of killing Dade Ville couple sixty one year old willy tidwell and sixty five year old Barbara Tidwell Dave Ville police chief Jonathan Floyd told. Al Dot Com that. The couple were killed inside their home in a possible robbery later that same night around. Eleven PM Birmingham. Police spotted the Black Nissan frontier. That Auburn police were searching for at an economy lodge on Crestwood Boulevard. Other tips placed hightower near the Motel when a silver sedan was seen leaving the area of the motel a Birmingham. Police officer attempted to stop the vehicle. The suspect emerged from the car and then exchanged fire with police before escaping on foot. Early Saturday morning police received a tip that the suspect was seen in the area of the one hundred block of Briar Grove. Drive Birmingham police suspect. Hightower broke into a house on. Breyer Grove. Drive where the fourth alleged victim. A man was killed a woman and three children also reside at the address. But we're away during the home invasion. There's no connection between the victim and the suspect and it's believed that he was targeted at random. Hightower is believed to a stolen vehicle from the brier Grove crime-scene. He was reportedly driving that vehicle when he was located by police. Following a brief chase hightower crash. The car and again exchanged fire with officers. It's believed he was shot arm. During this exchange. No law enforcement officials were hurt during this exchange of fire once more hightower trying to slip away on foot but large police presence the Senate on the neighborhood. And eventually he surrendered. Police in Auburn have charged hightower with capital murder and first degree theft in connection with the slaying of Nancy Nash. They've also arrested and charged twenty one. Year old contrasts hill with first degree. Theft in connection with the crime on Sunday Alabama authorities announced the hightower is also suspected and Friday morning. Bribery at Ortho. Express an urgent care center. Police say the hightower robbed five people including three customers and that their belongings found on hightower during his arrest. That's different ways episode of sort and scale daily. We'll see you back here tomorrow and until then stay safe scale. Daily is an incongruity media production. 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What The Breeland Signing Means To The Chiefs Draft Decisions
"Sports update all Kansas City chiefs. Brought to you by Arrowhead. Empty joined Chris. Richard on iheartradio apple. Podcast Google podcast spotify Player at them cast box and all third party applications check out facebook platforms such as of date and Arrowhead and if you cannot finest their research kingdom radio and you will find us. Welcome to the Kingdom. How are we doing Kansas City? Welcome to kingdom radio. I'm your host Richard Smith along with me my senior. Nfl analyst and Co host. Chris Charters Chris. How are we doing? We're in the midst of this quarantine because of the rotavirus. We really haven't been doing to new shows lately. Still kind of taking that much needed off-season break in going to pick back up here shortly but Chris. How's how's things been going with the time off? I've been focusing on setting up my online classroom for my students. Kind of finding my own center. in my life and just kind of Enjoying life as currently stands right now and making the most of it. And that's all you can really ask for from anybody. Going through this experience right now is just to make the best of it. And you know practice your social distancing and spend some time with your family. Maybe rekindle some relationships or or or you know some friendships. That have kind of you know. Fall by the wayside because of life the so it's you know to somber time in the country but it's also a time to get back to your roots and you know really appreciate life for what it is and so look in the midst of all that we know that there is no sports in the world right now. But they're still chiefs news going on and look Chiefs Kingdom. We can take a breather. I know we're a little late on this. But we can take a breather. Because we can't see chiefs indeed brought back shop railing on a four point. Five million dollar deal for one year and I would. I would hope that everyone and cheese kingdom understand the magnitude of bringing a player like shop Braille and back and what that opens up for the draft and where that puts the chiefs in their depth chart. And Chris. I'm GonNa let you take off a little bit on this Braille and signing and what that means to the chiefs and the depth chart moving forward to the draft. Because it's a huge deal and I think a lot of us realize how big is so. Chris didn't take off on that. So brilliant. Just didn't find the market that he was looking for In free agency this year and is really impacted by the dip at wide receiver. Cornerback going into the draft. There's a lot of really top talent that's GONNA be available in through to the third round that Any of those kinds could potentially be a starter and so Brillant just didn't find market and was able to be re signed by the chiefs in which case he ended up Completing all coming back onto the team and is that she's now going to be bringing back twenty twenty two super bowl starters onto the roster going into twenty twenty and that hasn't happened since two thousand one with the New England patriots but to deal things also throw in. There is that you now have your to starting cornerbacks coming back onto the roster and with what we are currently going through with this Dan. Hold Water This pandemic so many of these players are going to be going to new teams and they have to learn a new system to have to get the cohesion with with their colleagues with the chiefs. Coming back with twenty of their players they already know the system. They know each other. These guys are going to be set up. Make another very strong run. Have Repeating a super bowl championship absolutely right. It's you know it's a very rare occasion to bring back this many players and keep a team intact like Kansas City has managed to do and especially with players checking their How what what I'm looking for here. Checking THEIR EGOS at the door. And you know being team players taking pay cuts figuring out ways to maneuver and manipulate the CAP Salary cap so the chiefs can stay in super bowl contention and so. It's just nice to see all these things. Play out because you know. I think a lot of us a few weeks ago. We're holding our breath a little bit as to how the chief we're going to maneuver this cap space. And so now you know just this one siding with with Raila. N- OPENS UP THE DOOR. So much for the chiefs and I think that it was essential for the market right now to not be in favor and if he's going to you know make the same amount of money somewhere else. Come back to a system. That's already proven that you know that just won a super bowl. It's it's a really look for the chiefs end. You know the players within the organization. Yeah and and and really helped our Draft Strategy because we no longer have to take a starter at quarterback we can focus on the one position that we really do have a hole in the smarter or at the starter position which is linebacker and if a starter quality first round talent falls to us at thirty two. Who Whether Abuse Clean or Murray from Oklahoma I've seen Seen Zach Barn. I'm not asking him but I would not be upset if we were to take him Those three guys are probably gonNA end up being a very strong one option for us with that very first pick whether we taking that thirty two or whether we trade I've seen a scenario I'm not a huge proponent of it though seeing pro- proposal where we could potentially move up To about twenty five give or take and Take Kenneth Murray or queen if we're if the running or if the linebackers are there's a run on a linebackers right there I I would much rather us fill that linebacker position in with a starter this year as opposed to draft somebody and hope that they develop and become a starter two three years from now. Well we need me right away especially at the wheel position And then maybe in the second or Third Round. Take a look at Cornerback just the honest. After this year. We're going to be pretty Slim at corner that we need to be looking to develop some guys Asher talked about the linebacking corps. A little bit here. I think we all know that. Neiman is not starting material for the chiefs depth chart now granted he does make plays and he is In my mind staple for for the depth of the linebacking corps but I'm with you on on Murray Or Queen Given. They fall that far and the draft. Linebacker obviously is essential piece to the puzzle. Right here for the chiefs and if they can get their right guy you know. Obviously we talked about this over and over and over again with Brett. Visas system has proven process in the draft and that holds true this season. I definitely look for the chiefs to nab up that starting linebacker. If if he is available but then also have a contention plan. You know a plan B. Just in case that doesn't happen. You know they have to look in a different direction which is something that The chiefs are fully capable of doing as well. I think that that front office looks to exercise any single route that they possibly can on every scale and scenario And you know weigh their options. So it's going to be interesting to see what the chiefs do here. In the first three rounds and how they navigate everything. And you know what players fall Within their grasps. And so it's just going to be big chess game. You know so. I Guess Chris where where we're standing right now. The chiefs are just about a week away from from the NFL draft so cheeser a week else. I the NFL draft. They brought back Shop Roelant. And now our branding and now it's time to really focus on these key pieces and you know the order of which they should be drafted and so. Chris. Let's really touch base on that right now because you had posted in your article you know about the shop. Roelant signing You know what what would be the chiefs plans in the draft? And so obviously you know the number one pick if we can maneuver this would-be linebacker and round two quarterback and we've displayed. Why those were such an integral piece to the chiefs depth chart but let's let's go a little bit deeper here. Let's test based on round three and round four and You know let's let's talk position and that we can go back and talk target players. Caso and three and four You're probably going to be looking at Getting players who will potentially be stepping you being either starters of major contributors down the road but their partly ended up sitting on the bench and coming off to spill starters For this year you. It's very rare that you that you find first year starters in the third or fourth round depending on the position and we might ask people to find some guys there Why just her hand interior line? You're going to have some potential there. quarterback because the Job Classes so deep. He might be able to find a starter there in the third round wide. Receiver YOU'RE GONNA have potential as well. Which is the deepest position in the draft? Which is not a bad thing for the Kansas City. She's yeah no it's GONNA work out fantastic for us because we should not draft a wide just here in the first or the second round but because a lot of other teams will be you. That's GONNA help the talent at other positions fall to US and so Assuming that we've drafted a little linebacker in a corner for our needs are still going to be at into your and It's going to be perfect for us to drop the guy in the third or fourth round to potentially Sit a year. Looks like Nikola did this year Just because so often the offensive line. Talent comes in out of college A step slow and the pro game. And so they'd the it's best for them to sit at practice and Bulk up a little bit so that when they do step in. They're ready to go. You'll often see this with A lot of women who are taken in the first round The DENVER broncos drafted. I can't remember the dude's name He he's been an absolute Cam Irving for them Where he's just letting guys get pass them all the time we've eaten alive every time we've played him And you know not him. I think it was the tackle that they took Three years ago but A lot of these guys come in. And they're just not ready for the pro game but they're thrust into the starting line line will because as a first round pick about your expectation and then ended up doing a disservice whereas if you take him in the third round. There's no pressure they can. They can sit back and they can learn the game. And that's what Andy Reid has done has entire career. He's only drafted. Leave to offensive Lineman in his Twenty Five Thirty Years of coaching and so Draw team in the mid to late. Rounds allows you to find those sleeper picks and truly truly let them develop into The starting role that they should have And so I think that we probably take in to your line in the third or fourth round. Depending on WHO's available. I would not be upset if we took a wide receiver and the third fourth or fifth round in the third round. I'm going to be really picky About who we select there. But in fourth or fifth round I'll be a little bit more lenient of who he takes Just because I'm assuming that that fifth round traffic that we take out wide receiver in any other draft. He third or even a second round draft pick. That's how deep and how talented wide receiver classes this year. Yes and it's it's something that in my lifetime I haven't seen a wide receiver. Classes deepen couldn't happen at a at a better time for the chiefs. Nab Up another premier talent and bottom dollar and let him be an asset to the chiefs offense and grow underneath a Damarcus Robinson. Sammy Watkins who were on the last year of their deals. So that scenario couldn't work out better but let's be completely honest. Chris would it comes to the two thousand twenty chiefs. Nfl draft the order of this draft completely relies on what happens with Murray and Queen and the in the first round absolutely If those fall to us I would be extremely surprised if we did not take them I think that they're probably going to be The top two most realistic draft picks for us at thirty two If we ended up going cornerback I I wouldn't be extremely surprised but I was Definitely be expecting the second round. Pick to be a LINEBACKER FOR SURE. And it really like you said it really all depends on hinges on Murray Queen and during the fall to us or or Do we have to go in another direction I? I don't really see anybody else realistically being our choice. They're elicits a quarterback But that's only GonNa be have or I feel that it's only GonNa be Queen and Murray are front there after he to and and you never know with Vija. He may very well move up in the draft. We've seen him do that as well. There's all sorts of options for the chiefs to pull out You know the pigs that they want. It's just all GonNa depend on that first round that's going to set the tempo how it always does. But especially this year for the chiefs There's some important needs and you know. The order of the draft will will determine the core of the chiefs defense for the two thousand twenty season. And that's an extremely important scenario That the chiefs really have to do their best to you know. Fill fill this bullied. So what's the chiefs? Filled some some depth at running back. I don't necessarily think that was a concern. But the chiefs signed former raiders. Running back with it was his name the Andre Washington and look I will have to say that coming out of the draft when the Raiders. Got Washington. I looked at him as a possible threat. If he would have been utilized right he caught a seems to be like he is a utility player and an offense if he's in the right system so Chris let's talk a little bit about Washington and what he brings to the table for the chiefs. A running system You know that already has Damian Williams and You Know Darwin Thompson who really hasn't had his chance to to shine. I think that this signing really does the chiefs going into twenty twenty one The signing of a shady McCoy did going into Tony Nineteen and solidifies. The running back room. You've nailed up four quality running backs you bring in a guy like the Andre Washington who played with Patrick Morals at Texas Tech. Who is a legitimate running threat? Who can catch the ball out of the backfield easing all around back? Who never really got his true shot out the NFL level playing Oakland Going into Tony. Nineteen pre-draft a lot of experts. Were expecting him to be the starter. But then the raiders go and they draft Josh Jacobs and he's got play second fiddle to Jacobs until at the end of the season when he gets hurt. Then Washington gets this kind of show what he can do and he was impressive. He was running out. I believe three point. Six three point nine yard for carrying out the end he had sixteen catches for hundred and thirty five yards. He had several touchdowns The guy is very quick and he's agile. He can he can make some cuts make some people miss. I really like what he's going to bring to the chiefs roster at running back. I think that it creates a little bit of a Backup at a running back for Darwin and Daryl Williams I think he should have a chance to potentially show what they can do. But this is going to slow down their progression a little bit. We should probably see them. at least compete for a starting position in twenty twenty one. I don't think they're gonNA make that run this year. So it's it's nice to see the chiefs take care of the depth issues it right back because let's be honest. The last couple seasons of the chiefs have cycled through running backs. In bringing sprints aware back in him hurting his collarbone and it just didn't seem like that she could find the right piece. In and not the Damian Williams. Isn't that piece? We need the chiefs. Needs someone to compliment him on a on a game that is virtually built around the pass. This is not a system that favors any any running back. And so it's what can you bring to the table? And how versatile can you be an Andy? Reid offense and I feel like Washington could bring that dynamic to the team and really turn some heads the two thousand twenty season and kind of going back to Tara Williams low before his injury he was averaging five point five yards per carry limited touches and. I mean he was looking like he could potentially end up stepping in and taking that starting role away from Damien Williams Before the injury. It'll be interesting to see how he comes back How he looks but I definitely expect for him to begin getting some touches into this season if he is finding his old old form back one thing that Washington brings for influences. The chiefs in is all these mock draft that are saying that the Chiesa going to take running back in the first round. Just negated that. Yes because we have four quality running backs and taking a back in the first round although it would be an upgrade position and would be a waste of salary cap space which we are already very much Up Up against the wall right right right and you know if you look at our depth chart this at this time. It's it's not as bad as it sounds you know every position besides Senator You know there's plenty of depth And it just you know. I think that our depth chart problems aren't as bad as as as they really look in. Its and the draft is really going to take care of a lot of things here. And I'm like when I I like what I'm seeing. The chiefs went out and got Ricky Seals Jones You know the depth tied in that was a cheap scenario Even the the depth at cornerback who who do the chiefs go get from Antonio Hamilton from from the giants so it was quick fixes to a situation that really wasn't even That high of a concern. It is but look the defenses. The you know. The chiefs have produced the last season or the season before last in previous seasons. This these are band aid fix compared to what the chiefs have had to overhaul the last few seasons. I mean you look at triple bypass and pastures whereas this year is just a little triage And we can throw a band-aid on this and we're going to be just fine And the other issue and I know that a lot of people were kind of expecting us to make a big splash in free agency. We didn't have the CAP space to make a big splash and And have a big signing. But if you look at the moves. Beach made they were all small go. He signed a lot of interior guys. Who are already in the franchise resigned. A Lotta guys. He went out and found Depth chart guys from other franchises. The giants the raiders a browns with a seals Jones. He brought to you guys in cheaper than than most other teams would have these guys a WanNa play for the chiefs and compete for Super Bowl but be. They want to have an opportunity and and having seen how. Oh Andy Reid puts together or utilizes has roster how Brett feace puts together a roster van. Don't they're not going to have an opportunity absolutely? And and that's a scenario to all the teams that you mentioned Cleveland. The giants and the raiders. Those organizations are somewhat in shambles. So I'm sure it's easy to work as an under the radar deal with a general manager. Who really doesn't have a grasp on how to run an organization the first place so some of these moves are hustle moves is well and the and the depth and the depth chart. And and that's something that I really liked to see out of bread beaches wells and exercising every single avenue that they possibly is then utilizing the best route that is available. And that's the key to success for the chiefs and it's just fun to watch Brett Beach at his craft and you know making his chess moves and you know at the end of the day when we put the final product on the field You know it's been proven that this guy knows what he's doing so look city. We're going to go into halftime here real quick and when we come back. We're going to you know talk about some some top prospects and hone in on. You know the first few rounds of the draft and who we think the chiefs of are going after and Elsa throw some names out there so Kansas City. We will be back with you here momentarily. Kansas City is halftime. Thank you for tuning radio. We will return momentary Welcome back to kingdom radio before the break we had talked about. You know the order that we think the Kansas City chiefs should should draft in and it really depended on what happens with linebackers. Murray and Queen in the first round so Chris has had completed a mock draft and he put it in the article that we had mentioned earlier which you can find on Casey Kingdom radio DOT COM. Go to chiefs news. Click on that. And there's plenty of articles The choose from all the lace chiefs news but Chris had mentioned his order. You know through rounds one through five and I think now it's time to really hone in on some names because I think that's what my interest cheese kingdom the most is who our prospects who Brett been hunting and on and what can they bring to the table. Are they star quality. Is this a player? That's going to need development. Where do they stand on the roster? So Chris go ahead and start with round one. I'm sure you'RE GONNA kick off with Murray and Queen but go ahead tells you got in round one and we'll discuss that. Well you know the definitely clean at Murray are certainly on the radar In the first round or early with the first pick. If they're not there I would really like to take Gladly from TCU. His quarterback extremely physical corner low succumbed down and support in the run game which as we saw last year was extremely pivotal for the chiefs. Defense are quarterbacks. Were extremely influential in the run game in run support Which is a very much part of spaniels defensive scheme So I think that gliding. We'll be able to step in right away and contribute. I'd also be looking at an athlete at court at Corner and AJ Terrell Another guy who's And and these these names depending on who you who you look at. As far as their their rankings have been rated anywhere between the first in the third round So it's taking these guys isn't necessarily pivotal in the first round there's pick a fall on the Secretario third. So let's let's talk about. I want to touch base on something really quick while we're talking about who the chiefs will possibly be looking to select the draft and Chris. I want to bring something to light and back to the table that you had brought up in a previous episode. And you talked about the the checklist that you know. Greenwich will go through for each individual position each individual player and it's Brett. Vh Isn't a highlight type of guy. He's not going to sit and watch your highlights for your whole career. He is going to see what fundamentals you bring to the table. How versatile you are because to be Kansas City chiefs? You need to be proficient in more than one position so like you were saying. Chris. I'm sure breath. Beach goes down a checklist for every single player. If they do not meet the qualifications achieves all throw their hands up and say well. Let's just take a stab at them? They move onto the next position so I really wanted to throw that out there Chris. Because that is a huge staple and and how the the chiefs and each maneuver the draft. Absolutely which brings me to a name with Lionsgate. Josh Johnson from Utah He's a cornerback. And if you are a highlight guy. You're going to watch his highlights. And you're going to see a guy who has a lot of receptions over the course of his career with their on awful throws by the quarterback of quarterback and they're kind of giving kimmy interceptions. If I'm looking at a highlight reel idle. WanNa see A bathrobe from quarterback to such a good throw. Right when the quarter undercuts or highpoints the ball and riffle wide receiver. That's what I WANNA see. I WANNA see a corner or sticking his nose in in the run game and making a tactical right. I don't want to see a war. All of this. Talk powder puff football or from a corner. I WANNA see him Lanson. Would I want to see him Playing smart and that's another thing that read an in vitro looking for is intelligence and their players they want to be able to make good. Schwartz decisions extremely quickly create a few absolutely especially in two systems. Aw You know one. On offense and defense that are extremely in-depth and it you know it takes a certain type of intelligence to even comprehend all the changes and the shifts and and everything that the chiefs are tried to do on offense or the defensive side of the ball. Yes especially now that we've had a couple of years with Features drafts but we've we've seen how how that character that personality trait Pays off the field with one Thornhill McColl Hartman Wheat with Colin Saunders These guys are doing fantastic in our systems because we drafted and well. Now it's not it. Doesn't this philosophy isn't always a hundred percent but if you look at the players who have hit on versus other franchises in that same timeframe we've had more hits than most absolutely hands down. I think that the chiefs have pulled more top to your players out of the draft in the last five years than than any other team that I can think of off the top of my head back to other players that looking in the first round I there's a lot of depth there at at Corner I think that the chiefs are going to be really looking at likely said that that personality trait Do they fit are more than are they the right type of player But I would definitely put Kenneth Murray as our number one dream team your shroud cling at number two and then cornerback any cornerback really As a number three four that wishlist. And I you know I'm not even concerned I feel like the chiefs are going to get their guy. They always seem to pull the trigger at the right time and make the right moves and just bring that you know you. GotTa have the charisma that the chiefs are looking for to bring into this locker room. You know nobody would character flaws. It's just it's just filling holes at this point besides the linebacker position but trust the chiefs are going to put a great product on the field and this draft is GonNa be a lot of fun to watch because you know like last season the Chris. Remember we had talked about you know the wide receiver position and the chiefs went and got Nicole Hardman and we had been really high on receiver. I believe it was from Louisville Louisville. And so you know. We were left left scratching our heads a little bit but then you could see within the first couple of weeks of the season. Why the chiefs made that decision and and how how much? They truly know about what they are doing. This draft in the talent they're bringing in. Yeah for sure Wanted to a second round and this is kind of dependent on if we trade back into the second round. I think Zack foreign would probably be name. If you treat it back to you would be looking at I don't really see trading back in the second round to take corner there And so if if we back Zach Bonfire going to beat the guy If we strictly talking about are picking the second round at sixty four Look at cornerback. there again If those names that Argue named have fallen. Definitely GonNa be looking at those guys there Another name. I'd be looking at Camp Dancer from Mississippi State There's another linebacker Mississippi State The name escapes me. Right now Willygate junior I believe He looks like a absolute physical beast. He's projected era between the second and fourth round Because of our need at linebacker I wouldn't be a terribly upset with him second in the second round. I think we might be able to wait on him until the third potentially but He's GonNa be a guy that could step in and be an impact player if we might have to kind of deal with some some growing pains of the first year but as he learns We're GONNA see the flashes of the playmaker ability in him that he could be at linebacker and we will enjoy for the next several years at other guy that I be looking at in the second round and this is completely Oh out of Out of the mold of what we've already talked about. But I've heard him going as high as this point chase. Klay Pool from Notre Dame He's a tight end. Wide Receiver Hybrid. I would love to see him as a wide receiver for us Six foot four rooms four to disguise speedy and tall on stuff stuffing needs to work on. But I think he would be a huge Red Zone target for US Which was something that we kinda struggled with Year master we. I'm pretty much throwing the ball almost always looking at Kelsey when we were inside the the tent and we have another guy to to stretch the defense is and make them kind of focusing on other guys come another corner that we could potentially see here in the second round would be Bryce Hall from Virginia. He played with one thornhill He ended up getting injured last year. And so with this Quarantine ask Offseason a lot of teams weren't able to do the medical history and poking and prodding on to see just how healthy he is if the chiefs feel that he is good to go They could take a swing at him and especially because we signed brillant. We can take a look at hall here. In the second round you'll be playing as third or fourth fiddle in depth chart. He doesn't have to step in and be a star right away. You can sit back and learn the game which would be a perfect scenario for him. Also because he's coming off of that injury but at the same time you know I like I like where the chiefs would go with that you know with signing him because you know the relationship that he does have with thornhill on the chemistry that I'm sure that they grew on the field trusting each other. That's a big deal. And if you've noticed anything about the chiefs and who they have brought in and the last five seasons everything connects in one way shape or form. One player has a connection with another coach with a player coach with the coach. Or you know what I'm saying. It's it's something as a pattern that I've seen that they're bringing players and who already has chemistry with another player and I think that's a huge huge deal as far as you know the trust in chemistry for the entire depth chart. Don't they building those relationships palm one of the things that helped to for us to Landa Ricky Seals Jones? Was He asked Fellow tight end Dimitrius Harris about Kansas City and The way that Harris had always talked about Kansas City and the franchise. That's what really helped to persuade him to come to. Kansas City. Washington reached out to Patrick mahomes before for signing the contract because I guess he was getting approach by three different teams and what Muhammad told him about the chiefs help to persuade him as well see. I love that and those are the back stories that a lot of people don't see and I want let's go back to Washington for a second because i Washington is getting highly overlooked and this could be huge impact player for the chiefs offense because let's look at the progression of the John Lewd. Jon Gruden led raiders here. Sorry I'm getting off subject here but I just want kind of side no here John. Grooten has basically taken this franchise and turned it into his own and Washington is absolutely a product of their draft this last season and why he is he headed to the chiefs. The raiders drafted running back in the first round. Who's proven you know to be a starting running back in his. Carry the load for the raiders. For whatever reason his mind is his name is escaping my mind right now. Maybe can help me with that Chris. Pasha Cups Josh Jacobs. So Washington is really a product of you know Josh Jacobs coming onto this roster and taking control and the chiefs were able to land a talent that never got his shot like you were saying and get him cheaply so Chris Sorry side. No I wanted to throw that in there but continue I hear and second round. I found that pretty much covers it? Like I said the the big positions are going to be quarterback and linebacker Again there And then I just throw in Chase Klay Pool has an outside possibility. There's a chance he could go up before we even dropping at the end of the Second Round. There's a chance he could fall into the third round But because of his speed. I think it's going to be extremely challenging. To see him fall into the third. There'll be a lot of teams are going to be wanting to get a guy that size and that fast and then looking at the third round Again looking at interior offense of lime in And again it depends on. Who's ranking you? Look at Tyler beyond us. from Wisconsin Ku of interior linemen didn't Adedeji Is another guy that we can potentially be looking at There's another player Mushroom which college. He's from But Hunt All these guys are does that we could potentially be seen to being looked at in the third or even the fourth round But we're GONNA BE LOOKING GUYS. Who are versatile who can play centre or guard or potentially even a swing tackle. Because we're looking at that depth bud ie looking at our offensive line. We are not as Hungry to for talent there as some people are projecting with Martinez Rankin. Coming back off of injury. I think he could end up being a starter for us I mean we wouldn't have traded away what we gave away last year to to bring him in if we didn't see potential in him As it's just unfortunate that when he stepped on on the field last year that he ended up Getting injured right away so we didn't really get to see a whole lot but I think he's got a lot of potential We Got Ella Gritty. He'll be stepping in And probably getting a few more reps around especially in preseason so we can see what what about this year in a few flashes. We did see that he is capable of At least being a backup and employing uniform level But I think he will be more time to assess whether he'll be starter But I if we end up not taking my men a win being a subset but I think we'll have to see According to Where he where. He's trying to look at creating depth. I think wide receiver Is Okay as far as right now. But we'll be T- Drafting for the future of we do take one. I think run bat running back. We're kind of okay. We're going to be okay with If if we were to draft somebody somebody on the roster right now of those four that we've already discussed they've gotta be going Because I don't see us taking five running backs on the roster next year absolutely not. There's no reason for that And I keep seeing everybody and their mother mocking US taking a defensive linemen because of the whole Chris John Situation Unless Chris Jones gets traded pre an in the next week. He's going to be a chief and we do not read a defensive linemen. We don't need an edge rusher. We have the talent in in the On the D. Line to go into next year and we're going to be fine. We have depth. We have rotational players at defensive tackle. We have rotational players defensive end. We're going to be okay and so again. That's another position that we can cross office somebody that we're going to be looking at As as far as like a starter. But I'd like fourth or fifth round. I can see a stay taking a flyer on somebody and seeing if they develop over the next couple of years linebacker again Especially because we're GONNA see hitchens move on after next year Potentially we could be looking to to dropped his replacement Corner again we could probably use another corner Because we're probably carry five or six going into going into the season and then safety. I feel that with our money. Wants and Sorenson has our backups. I'm okay for this year but Sorensen's good old and Armani. Watts is GonNa want his shot and I believe his contract is up after this next year and so if he doesn't start getting more playing time we're start taking on that role that Sorensen had this past year. He might potentially move on so we might look at a replacement for him or Sorenson in this draft. I could see us taken a safety in the fourth or fifth route. Which would be you know. Wouldn't hurt for for the depth on the defensive side and obviously that's what the chiefs are honing in on but all that just depends on what happens. You know round one through four. This is kind of an open draft for the chiefs outside of round one and two they can kind of play around and do a little bit of experimenting and not to mention the undrafted free agents that are GonNa go to fall to the chiefs so That's a lot to look forward to working out. Chris we touch base on rows one through five here and cash. Is there anything else that you feel? We need to touch base on. It's been a really loaded podcast. It's been a little while Kansas City. But Hey everybody needs a break from from the season but hopping right back into Chris. Is there anything else you'd like to add to this show at one that One thing are one position and that's going to really affect the talent that false asides from a corner and watch. Cnn has already discussed as quarterbacks there are some teams that are really hoping to to draft a starter as well as a quarterback of the future who will be sitting in learning. I think that Three of the the main teams Miami San Diego and Cincinnati. Our very clear but the question still remain for the raiders for the Patriots For a lot of these teams. That could potentially end up drafting some quarterbacks in the first round that are kind of reaching and kind of force fourteen inches that they can get their guy Jordan love is a guy who is rumored to be going in the first round. There's a couple other guys who could potentially be reached for in the first round if there's a run on quarterback so there's five or six quarterbacks taken in the first round this year that increases the opportunity for a quality talent to fall to US absolutely absolutely. That's a really great point Chris. There's some teams extremely hungry for quarterback. And they're going to have to go after that In the first round so answer really really valid point and then the other Point that I WANNA make As as chiefs fans we need to get used to the fact that we're going to be drafting at the end of the first round for a long time to come and it while it's stressful because there was a lot of stuff that that it's going to we're going to rely on to happen. Have time for us to get our. Guy. The the reason that we're paying at the end of the first round is a great thing and to be looking forward to this for the next ten to fifteen heck the next twenty years. I'm totally fine with Louis and so get used to. Kansas City is going to be great and a week from tonight you. We're going to have our first major sports event with the draft. Get excited you guys It's nice to see the chiefs. Be Able to take somebody off the board. On the first night pumping haven't done in quite absolutely absolutely last. Few jet skews me drafts. Chiefs fans have been sitting on their hands through the first day. Waiting on day. Two Let's see any name come across the board for Kansas City. So it's GonNa be great exciting. Football is back. Hopefully everything will be done with the crow virus we can get things back and forth swing season that is not guaranteed or promised but you know as football fans you prepare for the worst and hope for the best so. Chris a lot going on here in the NFL as crazy as it sounds. We've covered all these today. All these issues today and we're going to be doing more shows here coming up. Kansas City but I do WanNa touch base on something this evening. I will be doing a podcast with Chris Crane Brewing Company in Kansas City. Christopher Myers is the owner. And we're just going to touch base on issues with You know the corona virus and what it is done to the community and how local businesses can come together and get through this tough time. Because Chris. I've seen you post this on social media. It's not it couldn't be more important time to shop local and support your local businesses. So I just WanNa create an opportunity for these Kansas City local businesses that come on and share their concerns or their ideas or innovation on moving forward how they can how business can help each other. Get through this So I think that this pandemic has let the world know that it takes everyone working as a team to make all of this happened. Make life happen and things are hard right now. Everybody can come together and do the things that it will take to get past this. I think everybody will be okay but again. We'll have cream brewing company on tonight and probably some more businesses to come so Kansas City. Look for that. I know it's not football. But we're community this is chiefs kingdom and we all one so no matter. What the topic. This is Kansas City. And we want to show here on Casey Kingdom Radio that it's not just about football it's about life and I look forward to having you know Chris on self. Thank you Kansas City. That is our episode today and look. I will be talking with you all this evening. Chris thank you for coming on the show and I will talk to you next time. Well this kingdom radio I'm your host Richard Smith. Kansas City. Have a wonderful day. Thank you for tuning in to go to podcast for. Everything can't solutions.