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Ep. 455: Vitameatavegamin
"Yeah Ladies and gentlemen again in welcome back to. Don't worry about the government. My name is Christopher Brennan. Join me on the show today. Is Brian Halverson? Hey Brian how're you doing Chris Four three on the rather isolated with with my five year old I think we're both a little bit strangely similar to one another now So why my five year old has some late thirties male tendencies and I have some five zero tendencies. I explained it. What late thirties male tendencies has the five year old picked up It's it's definitely some some jargon of mine were some Like such as well. I give her some Soma some year. Yes And she's picked up on my year. Yes wherever I feel like she's giving me the business like Like there so thin cleaning involved In and she tells me she's doing it and I give her the year. Yes I've noticed that now when she's making some lunch. Requests for instance a Ernie making lunch. Oh Yeah Oh yeah yeah. Yeah she's giving Me Yaya. Yes so Sounds like you've got a little bit of a Buster Brown on your hands. A regular buster Brown. I I don't know what the what the dynamic is. But there's definitely I feel like a cross cross the nation or across the world. They're are the nation they they are. They're these many sitcoms going on these families of just learning to To exist around one another and then parents learning to Teach kids In in at least more comprehensive ways or were more or academic ways of the they're accustomed to. I've found myself daydreaming more recently. They've been pleasant daydreams but I have been finding myself daydreaming a little bit more so I got furloughed today. I guess I wanNA talk about that. I was a bit of a shocker. Well I mean okay so like look. Here's the plug section if you've been enjoying this show over the last several weeks here last several months here or year plus two years mean we're episode four fifty five. How long have you been listening to it? And you've got a buck show. I would appreciate it. I'm going to put out more shows here. I don't want free money but if you can support the show right now certainly would appreciate you being able to support the show right now. The issue with the business I work for because I didn't just get furloughed like everyone. My company got furloughed And that actually ties into politics and so the reason I brought it up is not just a Chris thing although expect more content on the way here so I I guess it's kind of my loss is your gain dear listeners situation so my business not my business but the owner of the business that I work at We had applied for the small business administration loan that was included in the stimulus. Bill right you know that. Two POINT TWO TRILLION DOLLAR STIMULUS. Bill had something like three hundred fifty billion dollars allocated for business. We had all our stuff together and my boss went in and he was banker and they filed the paperwork six hours into the the first day and they're go ahead and get your applications and within six hours we had ours in. We were initially getting screwed by the rules. So one of the things with our business is we are largely essentially like a a hub for hub for independent contractors. So also I guess I'll mention this too so if you don't want to just support the show. Perhaps you WANNA guitar us if you want one. Go to Taylor. Robinson Music Dot Com. You can sign up for a web camera lesson with yours truly through our website I would love it if you would do that. Please support our business on. I will teach you a quality lesson. If you've ever want to meet me you do that and get a guitar lesson. What a deal. What do I tell myself well anyways? So we applied for these loans and they told US initially. You're not going to be able to get them. Because you're not going to be really get as big of alone because you'll only be able to get your staff not for your payroll of Independent. Contractors are payroll of independent contractors is robust and that would have qualified us for like a much bigger loan. Because everyone. Who's in WHO's Agee Tar instructor like myself technically on an independent contractor status. Because you might have only two or three lessons a week. You're not going to have forty hours of lessons a week. Just it doesn't work out like that it me. Most Serious Chris to to relate this directly to to So I guess the jargon of the day is this apart of the GIG economy you know. The thing is Gig. Economy is actually a term that popped up. After Tiller Robinson was a thing until Robinson's Bene- thing in basically during the same model since two thousand eight. When you and I were living together and going to college I was working with Taylor in basically doing the same model. It was a part time job on you. You do at the Pika before the first recession I was teaching there The first recession and You get maybe eight to ten hours. Maybe ten twelve hours of lessons and like that's decent. That's decent part time job and it pays well for part time work so like it's a cool gig especially if you're more advanced teacher but It's also it's not full-time work so anyway. The reason I brought all that up and the reason we're kind of lost in the weeds on that is just because we weren't able to count anyone who is on the independent contractors that we were able to count the office staff so initially the lung was going to be poultry like a very very small own. That was only going to get us through about like two months payroll then didn't qualify for that long and then The backup loans that we had in place or the the backup places we were trying to get loans from The issue with them right now is that they're tied up. Administering this Stupid Small Business Administration program that is largely not going to small businesses The reason I had stupid is that so much of the SBA and the business help loans people who are bigger businesses. They're able to get the better seat on this and there wasn't that much money. Three hundred fifty billion dollars. Sounds like a lot of money until you remember that. This economy is a very large thing financially. Speaking in three hundred fifty billion dollars doesn't go along with Sally. You just give a dollar to each business than they're doing. Good things. Great things are happening. Like businesses need thousands of dollars. And you know you start talking about things in terms of thousands or tens of thousands of dollars which is really more businesses need. Three hundred fifty billion dollars goes away really really fast. This is one of those November's where the public the public will hear him Him Pain on this and I think the red hat crowd will was here that number and hear him say that he got three hundred fifty billion dollars for small businesses and they'll look at that as a positive winning in reality was I think I think the The number one rule of the response to things like this is. If you're going to do this wrong overdo it. Never Underdo it. Yes yet and that was the lesson from the Obama stimulus package right. Yeah I I thought that was like a general rule that like like even a civil with the last day of Trump or Kushner or you know Any number of people who would know that like and this was definitely not like we can't. We can't officially call. This failure hasn't happened yet. But I wouldn't say it looks good right now based on the rhetoric district coming out of the White House between between just right. Failing failing Too Big and failing to small they definitely are not failing to big. I think that trump has committed himself to a narrative where we need to downplay this as much as possible. And so that's what is guiding the impulse for the small stimulus because you only need a big stimulus. If he had a big problem. I think that if someone Lee Bannon was there bannon would go. No this cove in nineteen thing is a big deal he probably have some weird Chinese conspiracy surrounding it but then he would have convinced trump to pass a really large stimulus. Bill because it's also electorally the wise strategy and I also think he'd be slightly informed from Obama's mistake of not passing a big enough stimulus package when he got into office and having a kind of slow recovery for most of his presidency. All right so all of that is to say if you can. If you're interested in guitar lessons go Taylor Robinson Music Dot com sign up for Webcam lessons with yours truly get a great web camera. Lesson support a great cause of keeping me in work. And if you can Abucha shows all we asked you can go to. Patriot dot com slash. Dwa TGI pay pal dot me slash pay DWA T G and one last caveat. Here if you're out of work to right now don't sign up for a bucket. Show say keep your dollar. Keep you to our to our I will get through here. We will all get through Times are hard all around and I'm fully aware I'm just asking those who can if you've got a balk that's the reason why go with the dollar it's small if you've got that despair right now brother Yeah for load. That's all I got to say on that topic. Let's talk about the nineteen response. Let's talk a little bit more about trump and the way he is presenting to the public information about covert nineteen Because I'm getting increasingly pissed off with a and I'm getting pissed off with the media's coverage of it and then I'm getting pissed off with the coverage of the media's coverage on it so where would you like to be in Let's see here to start. Meta and then work our way in like that bolt kid can only go to this place. Let's start with the source of work our way line Now I know that is good. Good Journalism Yeah it is it is all right. So trump keeps doing these rallies. I even now call them rallies these briefings but they're not briefings aren't they? They're like proxy campaign events because he can't do rallies and this is way of controlling ratings and he's tweet about this right like he's even tweeted. This does better ratings than the bachelor and is better ratings than the Super Bowl because people have the fear of death right he keeps doing these and they're increasingly unserious from one. America News Network. Who has a whole bunch of sources like a whole bunch of problems has had problems for a long time and we were talent share relationship with Rt? America to yelling. And fighting with the Jim Acosta's instead of the world and then you know he'll hog the spotlight for forty minutes of a sixty minute briefing and then only after forty minutes of trump talking about stuff. Do you finally get a medical professional. Who actually gives you the status of medical update to the one this week. I don't know if you saw this one. That the one where he was just reading off names of people he knew met head one time stuck gum to shoe once. He went sledding with one of them in fourth grade like it seemed like he was just reading loft names of people he knew for forty minutes. You see that one though I did well. You didn't Miss Anything. And that's the real problem here. Is that Donald? Trump is the dodgers doing these like briefing slash campaign rallies. And they're not. They're not just his standard bloviating. It's it's done in that style. But he's the president of the United States of America as much as we don't like it as much as we questioned legitimacy of that without the popular vote being behind him. Whatever right. He's the president of the United States of America. And you've got a great him on that metric and if you were only getting information about the corona virus from the president of the United States of America or worse still in God help you. You're were someone who's main personal heuristic was donald trump which is to say your primary source of information clear reference point. You were kind of running information you were intaking against was Donald Trump. God help you right now. You're not getting good information from this guy. This guy's lying out his ass okay. So we know that trump's main prerogative is to get reelected. I don't think he's even worried about anything impeachment related. No Pelosi took off the table to which was crazy earlier this year but his even crazier now right right so If if you're trump and you know that your main goal is just get reelected here. He's already done. The redirection needed in order to say like well You know whatever happens with the numbers with with Kovin They could have been worse. It could've been better But he eventually made a redirection that that so one is going to be able to spin is respectable and and I. I don't want to get lost in the weeds there but I think what's What's especially concerning to be with? With trump's prerogative of of getting reelected is his base his red hat base and is Is Trump doing his best to generate a fear in them right before November? In what is he going to do with that? I think it's even worse than the fear. Let's let's get back to the rallies hero. Quick because I what I can go to a personal anecdote here because I you know I go to the grocery store like everyone else does What's your too when you go to the grocery store right now. What were you doing kind of UH protect yourself? Or if here's here's the two options the we have family My wife is the one who is out the most but she's also a nursing so her being exposed Versus me being exposed. I mean neither of us are going to be around other media family. Who's older hummy we've been warranty and Aside from like going to the grocery store. But we're we're like we still Kind of split that in so I stay away from the large grocery store. And that's the one that she goes to or her way home. Sometimes next to our house is a spark could mean store if you go to the small convenience store at certain times it's your you could be the only one. They are very easily and so. This convenience store is a place that probably goes to SAM's or costco in and buys up and fills up the store with things from Sam's or Costco in marks it up relatively but based were live Outside of Austin it's very convenient to go there As opposed to going closer to town and so what I've been doing whenever we need to go to. The store is going to this convenience store which is a little bit pricier Just to purchase things there But it keeps me from being exposed to many many more people. Yeah so when I go to my grocery store I go to the grocery store every time and I treat. The grocery store is one of the highest risk. You can go because everyone needs food right so everyone in your neighborhood is going to go to the grocery store and if you kind of keep an eye on what the infections are in your county you can have a sensitive how likely you are to potentially get infected by being at the grocery store and Stott Super Super High Right now in Dallas but you know a thousand cases over several hundred thousand. People is still enough to raise an eyebrow make. You wonder if maybe you've got a few cases in your own neighborhood right here and I currently go with I've got a Bandanna that I so In a cold and antivirus spray. That's like A. It's like an organic colden antivirus spray thing. I can clean off the Bandon afterwards in hot water and then I spray it down and then cleared off or more time to rinse it out and I use that and then I also use rubber gloves that go up the sleep through the ladies Like ladies dishwashing gloves but then like have like a cap print on them. Which I bought is kind of a ripple myself because I'm turning into a cat lady but they're also functional because asleep goes up in high. Which is the other is no bought them like it. Yeah right if you can't laugh at yourself I mean come on now so I chewed up every time ago. A grocery store. I think it's a serious deal on you know there's a lot of people I mean. We LIVE IN DALLAS. Like this is a major area got major airports. We have the DR were. I'm not that far away from the DART station so there's just a lot of reasons to be cautious and when I go to the grocery store I see a lot of people who are cautious. But I'm starting to see a trend now. I feel like we have turned the corner. Now that there's this growing narrative of you know what we got a certain point. Don't WanNa live like this really living which is to say is being in an air conditioned place even if it's just like an apartment it. America where we have air conditioning. Is this really living at like ask Eddie one for the last two thousand years the fuck yes? Of course it is like what is wrong with you for example seventeen fifty here come on Dalla. It's such a ridiculous argument but they I haven't heard that rebuttal to the economy. I is it listed like presser. Whatever but like if you really think about it no yeah. This is definitely living. Also this will pass. I mean if you go look at the history of the way plagues not place evenly. Disease outbreaks mini pandemics. That sort of thing happened in the United States in the eighteen. Hundreds and there are a lot of them. I mean they would come vaccines to have wall or they didn't and you had to just wait it out and people did like. Dow is just part of life. We become a little bit privileged. A little dare. I say these people who are going in marching down at the governor's mansion have no sense of history and they've become a bit of snow flake but frankly it's it's kind of true like it's just. We actually have a very comfortable waiting room to sit in. It's the one that you decorated yourself and hopefully it's halfway decent and it's you know it's not living out in the shotgun shack in the woods with dough temperature climate control right so. I'm seeing people though at the grocery store who I think are making a bit of a political statement by not wearing masks and gloves and I was there. And there's there's one gentleman who had brought both the kids to the grocery store or like maybe six or seven and what we know about one. Well we know about Influenza Jones Boggs. It's actually really rough on children and it's really Roth on old age. What we know Kobe. Nineteen is that's especially so. He brought both his kids to the grocery store. He didn't have a mask on his kids. Didn't have a mascot. And they're all holding hands which was like the Cherry on top of this And didn't ask him. Are you making some sort of political statement? But I saw a few other people and like you don't want to judge someone politics on. Looks or Judge Agra Group of people's politics on their looks and they weren't even standing in a crowd or whatever but I was just it was beginning to occur to me as as looking at that gentleman with his kids father deciding to make that choice for his family Like my problem with this really is like suppose you think. The risk of covert is overstated. I don't agree with you. I think that it's right to take this pretty seriously since vaccine for it but if you did think it was overstated bringing in three other members of your family or two of the members of your family makes you three times as likely to get Cova. Nineteen than if you had just gone into the grocery store yourself and moreover just the kind of the basic math on the basic science on the disease. Yeah you could have an acute case that really strong case of Covert Nineteen in your mid thirties and room. We we've been seeing stories about that too. But if I had to choose a member of my family right now to go into the grocery store and it was me in my mid thirties. My Parents Age seventy or my child at age nine. I'm going into the grocery store right. Yeah so I it troubles me because I do see the start of the politicisation of the disease and not taking the disease. Seriously as some sort of form of Macci's Mo- conservatism. I think there is okay. We we gave out on Easter now. it's been a week. It's very weird that the people who WanNa let go and let God or having a hard time accepting an act of nature like this. It's also asking people to respect a Spanish flu like time-line who have been who have been whipped into a donald trump lifetime line. Yes absolutely. I have a little curiosity. This is kind of a project that never really is yet to come to fruition but one of my curiosities is Based on Leap Day. 'cause with the leap day is a is a day where you can remember. Things happened on on that day. Sorry holiday And so If you have any notable leap day events in your life that you remember though no no I don't either. Yeah Yeah Okay. For instance if if If someone died on that day Oh yeah sure. On is dead And Leap Day did not happen. That next year In my opinion you're gonNA process that grief somewhat differently. Whatever Leap Day actually happens even though it's not a big holiday or certainly something you're celebrating instill Leap Day cut award the whole process When things like that happened where for instance if you've got a If if your car broke down on leap day like you would remember that every single fucking leap day for the rest of your life like every time leap day would happen You'll be like ours. Did my car broke down but if your car broke down on March first you're not going to remember every March I that your car broke down. It is it's just strange. It's because the days unique and so I don't exactly remember what I was getting with this whole weekday thing but I guess are saying is People's perception of time has been worked in in in in Donald Trump's favor in in for the sake of of him winning in the media like like the faster things. Move Better in in order for you to really respect. What's going on with this virus? You have to have a respect of how this virus evolves and matures declines over the course of possibly three years and to ask people who've been acclimated to Donald Trump to take a step back and think about a three year. Timeline oh they can't no no I. Trump has been programming. Those people for four years not to think about anything other than the like the constant drumbeat of the now. It's a big thing that trump uses to his advantage which always keeps the ball rolling forward so that you can like the the whole. Rolling Stone Gathers no moss thing. It's how he was able to slog his way through impeachment. I didn't think he was going to be able to get away with firing the FBI director. I don't think a lot of people do but were they kept the momentum going and they were like trying to fire muller and you never able to stop and focus on any one thing because there was just always something else happened and how many tons of we told our cells. Remember this moment. Because this'll be the bovid with the paradigm changes with him and it never does it never has no no I mean but the paradigm did change you. Unfortunately we just thought it was going to snap back at some point right like I just. I can't live forever on from time. Like in just a constant procession of the present with no sense of historical mooring. At least so I thought but but the reality is is our political discourse and it was initially obviously the Republican Party and the left and the Democratic Party tried to hang on as best as they could for a long time. But you're starting to see the slippage happening over there to where history is becoming a thing that we appeal to rather than attach ourselves to. It's completely gone on the right here. And there's no patience either like what you're talking about Spanish flu like this is the real issue is back a hundred years ago. You could tell people you were going to have to stay indoors for six weeks. N. As in certain parts of the country it wouldn't seem foreign to them in the slightest and they know exactly what to do for six weeks sheltering inside certain parts of the country. It was like oh well Would you. That's called winter. Who Voice Yeah You. You just had a much more compliant public. And it's I mean it's a grocery store thought maybe maybe I just saw one thing one time. We'll see but I'd be interested to hear listeners experiences when they're going to the grocery store in particular if you just want to give me semi anecdotes. Christova Marino edgy meal dot com or tweet at me at Chris November. No I'm interested to hear one. What's your routine right now and to like. Just give me your quick little commentary of what you're seeing from your window so to speak Chris. We have have a combination of here of a lack of public compliance with age of technology where complying to a warranty Should be that much of a stretch like it. In comparison to times pass people are complete. They can't go to the frigate movie theaters and I'm sitting here. Do you can stream movies from your fucking house. You couldn't do that. Twenty five years ago. Shot up being it. In my opinion it is Eventually it chugs down to a lack of curiosity in a lack of How to ask Google question? Yeah No. It's a lack of imagination. Totally Cola you. Have you have tremendous resources available resources available at your house and you ever in your pocket with your damn cellphone. Then you ever had at any other point in your life I'm not sitting here going like you're living good tremendous will like there are people who are acting and it's the same people who are like bootstrap see types. You know it'd be like the type of people who complain complain about like the welfare state and that sort of thing like you have all these resources to amuse yourself. Just do it get on the xbox store the playstation four store by a game watch movie do some make some art for once in your life. Do something I been lucky enough to. I luck enough to live in a place where I could be outdoors. I spend a lot of lamb jealous of you to be able to do that. Yeah it's I I have the most incredible of post file I will. I will tell you the Jason Justin compost pile. It is I can tell from over here maybe There is not a weed in my little law. I actually keep up. like We have a little vegetable garden that I've started in a I've been keeping the bugs -pletely away from it It's it's It's been nice to have those outdoor activities where I can actually maintain things like that But the suburbs coming in. It's not GonNa be is nice to be outside soon and Unreligious tried to take advantage of being at home during the North Texas. Rain is very fickle thing. and Just try to be outside as much as I can on so that on the days where it's just unbearably high in. We don't want to go outside I just don't want that. Whole hibernation process to accumulate the way it does make and If if if I can delay this or or or optimize this I'm GonNa do it But I there are especially as a as a single person If if you're a single person in you have total control of the technology in your in your your house look There are so many of bullets. That that I I wish I had Now looking back on you know not being parent in just trying to imagine ways to gather that time again. I think now's a good time to try and start some different habits. That can hopefully transitioned over into your life after this This paradigm of takes. Its course. Yeah I've been getting into huffing puffing. Yeah yeah cans of chemicals on Iraq. You're going to the grocery store in possibly affect you could probably get away with this habit for quite a while but given that you can walk around the earth mask only face know. I'm not trying to help. People could get we. Slate delayed these slave for the show. Really forty minutes to lives. Troub- failing public said that no hit though Kellyanne Conway but a number of administration officials because we've obviously talked about the hydro Quanta equivocal clone. The fake drug does hit that drug. The one that the what's his name Jessop Staley or whatever that guy we were talking about before shows it was Staley Lane Stale Jessop or Jetsam knows definitely staley. He's a guy in San Diego. He was selling four thousand dollar Family Cove in Nineteen Jer treatments of hydro-quebec clobbered with with Z pack. Don't take your kids. Don't don't take the hydrophobic lawn. It's bad you've got administration officials Kellyanne Conway saying things like well. This is the nineteenth corona virus that is part of a trend from this administration of putting out bullshit when their job is to inform the public. And you brought it up earlier in the show. I think it's dead on which is now. The Pelosi is taken impeachment off the table. And it's not off the table because they impeached him earlier in the year. It's off the table because Pelosi took it off the table. Let's just get that straight now. The Pelosi is taken that off the table. Trump could fail at a very basic role of the presidency which is to inform the public especially in matters of public health. He's just not doing it. This is not a democratic or Republican thing. If people think m people think that the hydro-quebec Laba con is actually some sort of Miracle Cure because the administration was putting that line out there at the same time. They're calling it the Wuhan in Chinese virus if people are taking that drug in dying and they are in a people are selling that drug and they are and they're some of that drug because the president said it. And there's there's a whole body of stories all around this drug the hydraulic flow careen. I don't actually quite know how to say it. Off the top of our heads so the joke is actually covering up my inability to say this thing the hydro Kuba cloth. It's funnier right life. You know what I'm hydric. Cloak will lean relationships in the same way but I could be made like remember. I Love Lucy Bid Bida might've it Amelia's. Yeah yeah there's a little bit of that going on here too. I isn't that joke if you if you want to hear the full deconstruction we've gone to the nut of that that could be a gem of mine and now that we have let us return to the point that the problem is this is on the market right now. We're even joking about it because trump put it out there and there's nothing to this. These are antibacterial drugs or they treat malaria and Lupus. There was no science or there was really ten tenuous science behind this. There are some signs indicating that trump's friends directly benefit from this and so that's why trump was may beginning whispers year. Hey this hydro chloroquine is a great thing. That's actually what it's called hydrochloric win like it's this great thing deal or tell people that it's GonNa make them safe. It's not and there's not enough of it you wouldn't be able to scale it up anyways. I think what's difficult for? A lot of public to discern is the difference between rushed good science and rushed gripped or his supporters. Will give them a chance to just say. Oh well you know what I mean. He was trying. He thought that or nobody knew. Trump is really good at hiding behind. Nobody knew I I would recommend everyone look back On a soak in the period. Polio was cured. Polio vaccine came out of that. That was the last time Our our culture experienced going through something where the entire nation was afraid of something like this and it was waiting for a cure and then through unconventional means of pain to a cure. Faster than most of the scientific public thought they've they would find cured And one of the ways that that cure was Established the vaccine was polio. Vaccine was established was through a very large scale of public trial Where I forget. How many hundreds of thousands of kids had just had to sign up to take this vaccine? Who is like a? It's worked so far in In testing is worth so far on animals Let's let's see if this works And There were some After the first round there was a bad batch of the vaccine in it led to children being infected with polio and killing them And they had to deal with like the the the the optics of that having to explain that that was just a bad batch of the vaccine is that this is something that the public can can still truss And I imagine our public going through the polio scenario in the pope you are already seeing people saying they won't take their own. A virus. Naxi the put the polio scenario is less complex than the corona virus scenario It's it's less complex but still I think that's the closest thing we we have To something rotavirus comparable that that The change in public sentiment in public mentality like there are certain things obviously that the modern age has advanced on. I I have this kind of slated for later in the show but you you brought up. I'll bring up point here now. There are certain things that the modern age obviously has on one hundred years ago right like our medicine our medical resources that sort of thing but one thing one glaring thing that is just working against us so hard that smacks you in the face when you go back to. These areas is any sense of shared fucking sacrifice whether it's during the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu epidemic where everyone gets Spanish flu in Philadelphia. Because they're all at this Liberty Bond Rally. Because if you didn't go there we'll call the slacker and it was like basically stabbing the country in the eye and nobody wanted to do that and it was like if you're saving right now and not giving the liberty bonds. You're not helping the country. There's this real sense of shared sacrifice and did O and World War. Two's you're only going back seventy years at that point and that is just completely gone right now. Right in particularly absent from the Hawks in the country. There's a lack of shared sacrifice at a time. Where like you said. It's not fear that the trump is generating. It's something different than fear. But it's playing on a lot of the same vulnerabilities as what you would play on Friday to instill fear. It's certainly working around the fear tricks. It's it's sort of like telling his voters in his base. Don't be worried about this. And I think maybe the crass strategy would be something like tell your base that it's safe to go outside even if it's not especially the closer you get to election time and frankly it doesn't hurt you to have the opposition party think rightly that it's not so safe to go to the ballot box This time around the smart vote hostage earlier is hostage in their vote. Because they're scared of the Kuroda Virus. Not because they're trying to boost your some third party there's also such an element of Alpha in the in the openness like it was one thing to wear the hat the hat. The Red Hat crowd is wearing. The hat was the statement. Like you didn't even have to have a conversation. Oh it says so much. It says so much but I think it's going to start to say something win. You go out without a mask or the same way that the red hat says so and I. I don't know if it's doing that yet in Dallas. I think it's starting to do that in Austin The the Mandatory Mask Ordinance. I think that happened of three days ago. In in tribes. Carrie B roll but I know that it Dallas or you live in a place that's just higher population density. So I just imagined that You've been around A population that has chosing to wear masks sooner than the population. I'm around the reason I'm thinking about like this is. It's got to be a political thing because if you're looking at this more scientifically or just you know. Kinda based getting your news like ABC CBS NBC NOT MSNBC. But like NBC. Where you're just getting the news part of it. I think looking at the science of this. You go okay. This is still very serious. We are kind of starting to plateau off in terms of New Delhi cases which is good but we're not even really on the signs of meaningful sustaining downswing. At this point we are just at what appears to be a plateau and let's hope the virus doesn't mutate and let's hope that these cases that are starting in Africa and South America are small in or ultimately contained not feeling great about that. You know like there's a lot of hope being put their on this initial plateauing I hope as well but I think some people are looking at that and and if your political particularly if you're backing the president you want one his bill to be the only thing that they have to pass so that the Republicans don't have to go back and work with the Democrats again and pass something else to also I think for the Republicans. Now they're in this position. Where if this bill wasn't big enough and that the past the second one your sort of conceding that you didn't do it right the first time around aren't you. What is the timing of the inevitable? Second Bill with respect to November. It feels like that's GonNa happen like august-september right like they're gonNA they're gonNA get back to go on congressional recess in August but you have to imagine especially if there's any sort of stock market tumbled like they're going to have to pass something in September or October and I think a think Company knows that around August and September. I don't think they even have that law. Now that I say that out loud will there be back in their passing something in June July. Yeah and this is kind of this is kind of furthering We've been talking about You and I. I think we're talking about this episode. Were fifty the next thing you would show. We're talking about this but What happens when the President gives you money A thinking there's going to be a second stimulus here and I'm thinking it's going to be right before November and It seems like there's gonna be crowd who susceptible over to vote for the guy who gave him money. I hate to say. Yeah yeah so I mean you start stacking this together. If trump's give out money if he is telling his base that is safer outside then the lips think it is. Don't worry about it. You don't really need the mass. Plus there's like herd immunity or some shit that kicks in. It's going to be fine. Stack the money thing if he does a second or third wave of the money. All of a sudden people think he's doing pretty good by the numbers. The United States is because we have such a federal response. A real mixed bag. Some states like Florida are doing Godawful California New York doing pretty good Washington's doing pretty well. You know it's a mixed bag you look at us. The number of infections and the number of deaths for the United States seems high. But what's important to remember when you're trying to analyze United States against other countries? Is You gotta look at the overall population of those countries So if you wanted to compare us to countries in Europe you're probably adding four or five countries together like France Spain Germany. I did a I did a mishmash the other day to get to the. Us population you took. Five is like Spain plus France plus Germany plus like the UK and one other country And that gets you to the US population when you when you start stacking it up like that you know. We're we're middle of the pack so trump's giving out money. He's got a mixed bag response that he can play. Fifty fifty on and against the Democrats fifty fifty seems to always be fifty five. Forty five If he's got that and he's doling out checks and he's convinced his base that it's better outside and safe outside than it really is and our side thinks it's dangerous outside also has a hero demographics. Who's on his side? Yeah Brian this is the truckers the truckers have been of supplying us with with all of our things to keep pushing home to keep us safe. I I've seen over these last a couple of weeks I think he's going to move away from the coal in board towards the O. The truckers are way more sympathetic. To right I mean who who hates the truckers. Yeah I mean it's dig- industry. It's got all the problems is cool but like coal especially among the lives like I mean we go. Yeah you're like destroying a perfectly good mountain to get a fuel that is dirty and you have to read their shitload of processing and it's a dying industry anyways in like why I think over the next few weeks there's GonNa be a SA- people start to talk about. Why is he talking? So much about the truckers. When he's he never talks about anyone else like there's some obvious See Planning that. He's doing here. Oh is this. It was the same way. He was teasing about putting his name on the checking teasing. I mean he was like floating out there he he is working rallies. These press briefing rally proxies as the same way. He works sort of his reality. Show see floats in idea. And then a couple of weeks later he comes back around and does the putting the name of the quintessential right like he really wants you to associate the money with him. Sort of the media. The media has got to stop covering this shit. The way they've been covering it. Resistance is very happy that CNN is taking a more combative tone. They love the chirons. Oh they love the Chiron they love Trump does propaganda blah blah blah. Well here's the thing these outlets if they really believe that they've got to stop doing it. Because last time around and there are articles written about this to beat the band. They gave trump something. Like what two billion dollars worth of free advertisement right? Yeah it was like some ridiculous amount of money that exceeded the campaign budget. His accusers able to get free coverage Alice. Our first they're going to have to attach themselves to some other momentum that could potentially get them better ratings of trump and then like what do you do with that like what what is it? What do you do with it I don't know of like what direction can you take? Where where Where we're not. We're not giving him it he sort of of airtime or just your properly of silence again or just You know try. Try to police in a way that the media do that of there there has to be something else out there. it it can't just be righteousness What they're doing right now like the gym. Kosta approach to journalism is a weird form of pseudo campaigning for the Democratic Party. And it's not the job of the media to do that. I mean if you're worried about trump doing this trump wouldn't do these events if it was only Fox and Phoenix News or whatever weird outlet they find from China. I'm convinced the trump wanted that Chinese outlet in there specifically so that he could skewer the Chinese outlet like I think that actually it was the administration playing the Chinese on that one. But he wouldn't do it. It'd be too downscale form The media if they really WANNA cover these they can do like fact checks after the fact on them But what they need to do. They're going to keep sending people there is any descend actual doctor's not like Dr Phil Not Mr Phil or Mr Ause. They they need to actually send real doctors there or medical correspondence people who actually have like medical degrees or some sort of medical background and not Jim Acosta and not you know I like you Michel Cinder. It's not like she's a horrible person or anything like that. She's actually good. Jim Costa's coming. I think I'm used as a pretty good job in. Does a good job holding the president to account although does kind of fall into that proxy campaigning things? Sometimes that I was talking about but they need to stop sending you Mitch. They need to stop sending Jim. Acosta doctors doctors who ask medical questions. Trump's GONNA get the fuck off a TV. The second real questions are there and what does that mean. That means. You'RE GONNA get more Dr Falcone. Hopefully you want more Dr Foul. She let Dr Ci Speech. He's the guy who knows the most about this. Dr Burks as well but yeah I want. I want trump having a field questions like all right. So tell us everything you understand about the H. N. virus and the history of it. The second the second there'd be like it's very good virus. Bad H is a complicated letter. He's definitely showed his his poker face or whatever he gets. A certain type of question looks to the left or the right families like this is replaced whereas point. So you know so. Let me get the expert up here and the media would be doing their job if they were getting the experts who was faster their jobs to inform the public fighting with trump doesn't inform us. I agree that it would be a better world if the physicians were the ones asking the questions. But I just don't think that the media outlets are going to take the chance on. Someone doesn't have Polish that these other people could can provide of debt that the doctors just aren't going to provide like there's there's too much of an order known or their in No I'm just telling you what I think should happen. I don't think they'll do it. No I mean you know this is kind of like when you're talking about politics stuff or we're talking about voting strategies. It's this is more like what ought to be happening. Because I mean I just. This is a huge problem right now. I'm getting texts from Democratic voters who are slightly defending trump because of the way the media is covering him and my response to them is something like well no. Yeah I understand that the media is doing a bad job right now but trump's the fucking president and let's not forget that he's the one who's not informing the public but the media is not doing their job in trying to force that issue more also the way that the public trump's the ball is by saying Some of the media is doing a bad job. We liked to hang onto those moments. Because it's it's fun to cloud the media whenever they deserve it but also we're not going to expose the moments with the media gets right The those moments are going to twist the wind Either way to gain noble Benham because what the public still warrants is is so amusing and part of this. Is the media zone problem too like they have created in environment on TV where there is no history and there is no context. It's it's kind of like it's the same problem that WWe television has had for the last several years. Here where it's like the booking from three months ago. What happened at Summer? Slam doesn't matter. By the time you get to survivor series but the kick it back trump real quick here like executive power and we talked about that. I'll on this show. You know that executive power has completely runamuck in this country when the president can say and this is the exact quote win. Somebody is President of the United States Thirties. Total and that's the way it's gotta be and it doesn't even elicit a reaction or of any sort of note from the left or Libertarians. Like reason didn't basically make it the front page of their magazine or anything it just. It's not even moving the needle for a lot of people anymore. His Authority is total. Trump's just saying now and people will move on as though this quote never happened it will really not factor into their calibration of this guy as president. That's really really dangerous. And that is distortive. Field put into relief. There's countless examples of this right. I Daniel Dresner has that book out toddler and chief. I don't know if you are familiar. With the toddler and chief thread right that he's been doing where he's got like thirteen hundred examples of people from inside the administration relaying to press anecdotes and stories and descriptions of the president to make him sound like a toddler. He's got over thirteen hundred of those. He's made it into a book But the reason that that book and even exist and people don't just come to this conclusion of Holy Shit. This guy's like a man child is because trump's put up this constant perpetual distortive field of You know there's always something new. There's always something new he's GonNa say something new so he can say. I have total authority. And you don't even remember it a week from now. I mean we kind of fuzzy remember. I could shoot a man on fifth avenue and no one would blink an eye he could become the president say his authority is total and no one would blink an eye and he did. This is the crossing over from a culture that respects the morality were immorality as opposed to the culture that it's morality. It's it's just a non morality. It's it's it's It's a Do you have power? Don't you I really? I keep going back to like libertarianism. That is anything other than openly hostile to Donald. Trump is a completely bankrupt libertarianism. I've said it time and again but trump heaves giving me examples to work with here when you're the president of the United States. The Authority is total. Come on what liberty what. Ron Paul. Loving Libertarian eight years ago would have ever bided such a comment from Barack Obama. Yeah and I think what's is heartening. Especially for the Libertarian. Side of things is that you have so many in that group were willing to attach themselves that because they know there is no other direction from the right that you can attach yourself to an end. Foresee being a part of something with Moreno There isn't it's very confusing to me. How little talk there is about A groundswell of of a some type of non Gop right-wing Party Who whoever they are more of the problems in terms of understanding the right on that would be like the Christian conservatives in particular they're mostly pleased with the trump administration. They made the pie smaller. They probably reduced their appeal to the independent voter but at the same time like they don't have to worry about a lot of this internet. Seen stuff like what they don't have is. There is no or bust movement on the right right like they've done a pretty good job on it. I mean they they scuttled their own primaries. This time around like they have shored up everything whereas you know the Democrats like they're still biden still trying to work things out with Bernie Sanders and Bernie. Sanders is having issues with his own former employees less than one week after cutting ties with some of them. You know what the right is done very effectively. This time around is made sure that they are not going to be facing any sort of like intra-party scrum. You're starting to see the formula for success. This time around right like the low turnout. Election scare the left of center into not voting. As I said like initially they'll try to do the kind of classic 2016 model of vote hostage ing the whole. I want to vote for the lesser of two evils. All those classic arguments. I've heard them all before. They sounded great with the First Time. The first band played them. But this time around. I think there'll be a new hit song and I think that new hit song will be. I'm scared to go and vote. Because of the corona virus which is great to be much much harder to rebut especially. If there isn't mail in voting available right so I guess the pass on Matt here. Chris and I don't I don't know how disillusion you feel with progressive politics but These seem like some days to be Either reflecting on on It a success in the past or reflecting on what's happened with things didn't go your way or no all right let's let's let's talk about Bernie Sanders here. I've got enough here to do an entirely different show. We've got plenty more to do here. Let's let's let's do the Bernie talk here. Yeah like the at the end of this right. The this primary way before. Corona virus was extraordinarily frustrating to progressive politics. Right how do you face it opponent with With Ted Cruz voter hid it here. About J. J. K. assassination. A claims still vote trump yet. The Bernie yet. The the the Bernie voter can alienate themselves. over issues like how provide? Medicare for all war is or isn't like this new one right at as a party like like. I'm just trying to conceive the Democratic Party. Just moving the football. Whatever you're facing the Republican Party who has a group of voters were so willing to congealed themselves over anyone and you are the Democratic Party. You are the big tent yet. Everyone in that big tent doesn't act in ways that you should act strategically when you're inside. A big tip said of big ten. Yeah no I do boy boy. Do I feel that man this is? I'm not normally a both sides to it but this really is. I could give you examples in near Tan. I give give you examples. Brianna joy gray right like like they are. I can give you examples from Anderson Cooper like this is for a quote unquote big tent party. They do so much the burden people do so much to push away everyone else. And the democratic establishment does so much to push away the Bernie people And it just it strikes me as so asinine when as you described it perfectly over on the other side you have people who go and vote for Donald Trump or go and vote for Ted Cruz but also probably believe Donald Trump when he says Ted Cruz. Dad like killed Kennedy. And it's like not even remotely an internal tension. Who's you vote for in the last election? Oh Ted Cruz. Even those dead probably killed candy. Yeah sure not a question so tell me again about Elizabeth Warren the native American appropriation. That's your competition. That's who you're up against until like I mean one of the problems I think both sides are dealing with the people have to deal with it in practice here but the people had to do with it in practice as well. Is that like a lot of the never trump people going. Oh I couldn't even bring myself to vote for Elizabeth. Warren like that is how the trump win. They win when they like when you get everyone who is supposedly a non trump voter finding reasons to get off the fucking trolley. Because they imagine that there's this third option a reason put out. It's a very very bad video too. It's not funny but reason videos. Like Hell Libertarian. Makes a DIY Safety mask gotta doing a send up of the grow virus or whatever and and the person is making a bad mask out of limited materials and the mask is supposed to be an analogy for Joe Biden and interesting analogy the sense of like if you have a bad mask in Joe Biden or the option of no mask at all in Donald Trump. You're going to wear the bad bass. You're not going to sit in your car and hope that some better third mask shows up on that you can use to the grocery store. Are there better mass than like a T. shirt mounted on some ALASKA ELASTIC? Sure do you have those available? No and I mean that's the problem with the never trump people I mean. That's the problem with the Bernie. People now they think that they're gonNA vote for some third option. That isn't there and a lot of cases and meanwhile over on the trump side it doesn't matter of trump gets their family members killed. There is no sense of facing when you when you say that You're going against trump is subway or or at least you're able to beat trump In we you rally behind a candidate who has said for the beginning that they're going to win doors wherever wins the primary off? If you don't believe in that you should be alienating yourself that Kennedy immediately in you right right. Yeah he should never have been. He never should have been vile off if this was going to grind. You how you reacted and the only thing that generates the reaction. Is Your candidate losing? You're not playing. You're not playing a congruent aim. Here you're right right because the Democrats the Democrats refused to endorse Bernie Sanders. It would be like those same people have been shot in the fucking leg a thousand times. Right they be howling. They be how it. Why won't Joe Biden Indoors Bernie Sanders just like they were howling? Why won't Liz warden endorsed Bernie Sanders right? The it's this one way. Sense of grievance. I'm far more sympathetic to the progressive position than the democratic establishment position and particularly as watching them. Probably going to lose this election here. Inflict former years of trouble on us but like you have to have rules that go both ways on the road. The further away someone is from my politics which are generally progressive. The further away somewhat is from my politics. They are part of a system. That is more strategically settled the fact that I have to just deal with this bashed up bag of of of infighting infighting that doesn't really pay off either it infighting with though even potential reward of like let you look at the odds of When you look at the odds of like how much better would Bernie have been been wore a you look at the odds of not only one of the winning the nomination but birdied winning over war it coming down to Bernie and war. It is the establishment candidate that that the establishment through lying on. We look at the odds of that scenario playing out. And then you look at the odds of how hurt is. Bernie's chances if Warren is completely alienate. There is a point in time on this show last year. It was in August where we were talking seriously. About a scenario that was viable where the knockout blow was delivered to Joe Biden. The other establishment candidates collapsed and the establishment had to run for shelter behind. Elizabeth Warren to try to head off the pass on Bernie Sanders and that was the path to progressive victory. Because that's how you win. That's how you win. If you want to actually put the establishment on their heels yet to put them on their heels like Biden was never facing any meaningful pressure from anyone not named Kamla Harris. I still have yet to see or to hear from anyone around the Bernie campaign and I. I don't follow everybody on twitter but I follow a lot of people who were at least one person away from it. I I'm I'm around a circle that Things things occasionally revealed I guess and It's interesting to to be around that the to hear what said but I still have yet to hear anyone say. This was our plan for South Carolina because we knew South Carolina was the problem like it. I still have yet to hear from the Birdie campaign it response that let me let me understand that they were even herring to to To oppose that that hair done yeah like what was the South Carolina plan like they. I mean generously. They had to assume it was a schedule loss right. What was the plan to right the boat? What was the plane to not lose so bad that the momentum shifts so much that you you now go from a position of power to a position of of of trying to do the math To see where you could potentially something out nets and didn't really feel a sense of recalibration from Bernie on the debate stage during those debate performances. Either so I mean that that was part of the issue. I got more points on this here. Let's let's get through them. So like the Bernie elite and the Bernie discourse. We talked about them a lot on the show during the campaign here. They made themselves. They're really prominent part of the campaign especially online. They didn't lose the election for him. Though which I think is sometimes the trope that gets hung on them. But you're basically hard pressed to say that they helped him in any meaningful way on the campaign trail. I guess the the the two big media people is C- Speaking on behalf of Verdy Senators that I follow our John Cusak David Cross well. I'll give an example the Bernie discourse yelling at Elissa Milano Right. Obviously this happened after the campaign. But it's sort of representative of the type of move that the Bernie discourse was very fond of and I just don't think those sort of impulses are helpful moves even if you think they're right even if you think that Eliza Milano is full of Shit on the tear read or her version of why they didn't look at the terror read story. You know whatever like if you if you believe that yelling at a list of Milano. Does that help you win? The Democratic primary when the Democratic Party likes Elissa Milano. That's all I'm saying. And and and also then we get into the lack of inward-looking thing like this is a problem with the Democratic Party after the election Many of my more blue no matter who type of voters got mad at me and didn't listen to the podcast runs. Sheppard the PODCAST. What I was saying that the Democrats need to stop blaming everybody else but themselves for why they lost it. All trump in two thousand sixteen and I was talking about that author 2017 up to and including the Fabulous Book Club. We did on what happened which you can get when you subscribe on Patriots Dot Com slash. Dwa talked about that at length there. But there's a lot same not inward-looking stuff happening now inside of the Bernie discourse like I kind of feel like we're ten days away from blaming James Komi as far as looking. Edward is being interested in progressive politics. I've I've got to the point. Where will yeah? Well I guess my strategy is now. What's happening Congress working in last? You bring up the strategy thing. You're literally and word the progressives at least in the Progressive Caucus who were also members of the new doom prohibition that number was aiding water eighty two. So I'm wondering. What could we do? Turn that into eighty-five what can we do turn? That did not ED. What what what are. Also the benefits of a Senator Sanders being on the Department of Energy. Yes they are being on the I the Senate panel ever instead of Joe Mansion will does that mean. He loses his authority on the Department of Energy. See and then Bernie. Sanders is the most senior member. Ed The does that even move the needle as far as climate change legislation like is that a variable that even amounts to anything or is that only a variable a variable that amounts to something if you actually have votes in the Senate has yeah. There's there's a lot going on there so like real quickly. I mean conventional wisdom among some of the Progressive Congressional Kid. It's they don't necessarily know that I agree with is that they they're worried with Biden as the nominee. It's going to hurt them when they're running and I tend to think based on what we saw in terms of voter turnout. The progressive voter turnout. Right now is simply just not there. I wish it was I mean. I don't think the voters were trick right like. I don't think they're so easily tricked that you can't use them and they weren't buying what was being sold so what. I think is a much better approach right now. If you're progressive candidate is you have a person who's Kinda dopey just going and voting for Joe Biden and they accidentally vote for the Progressive Congressional candidate for the Progressive Judge candidate. Trying to remember the last time with With the Youth Vote. Eight all look structural disadvantages. Did He have them? Of course. It's a pretty sanders man. Like it's progressive politics. This is an unhealthy Democratic Party where the democratic moderate establishment is trying to kill the young progressive base in just crush them into submission and hope that they can win elections without really any sort of enthusiasm behind them It's not a great strategy. It's not healthy. Democratic Party but that being said none of these structural disadvantages not none of them most of them were not new and as such the sanders campaign had four or five years. If you want to start the clock in two thousand fifteen to plan for some of these they'd experienced so many of these roadblocks whether it is inside of the Democrat Party with the intrigue I mean wikileaks even put out the email so that the campaign among other things if they wanted to could sit and actually studied the entire Democratic Party. Playbook ran against them the last time and try to make some modified strategies and really amplify that or they could bring it to the spotlight. You play hardball. Bring up the fact that you fucked over by the Democrat Party and run run hard against him and say like you know. They're they're doing a really bad job. Risky strategy if you're trying to win but like if you really think you can rally the people and the roar of the masses behind you go for it but the blocks. They were all known the only new one that I can come up with in. Terms of structural roadblocks was that there were twenty something candidates but even that new for the Democratic Party new for Sanders but one. It's not supposed to be a two person race is you're not. You're not entitled to a two person race. It's not a coronation. Either Hillary Clinton remember anymore than it's a automatically a two person primarily. I think the bigger faults of the birdie crowd is their focus was so much reflecting on how Hillary burn them in how the establishment was out to get emotional wound rather than a strategic analysis. Yeah well there wasn't enough reflection on what happened in twenty sixteen within Almost twenty Republicans. Go against one. Another in what happens with the field is so large. And how do we come out on top of a big field of and I think the the the Birdie crowd was used to riding the wave of a primary that was a primary of a few people and they feel comfortable riding the waves of primary of about twenty? They got confused with what you should be comfortable about a and they got really complacent about thirty percent to right like you. Can't you kept hearing thirty? Thirty five percents. All we need it was it was at the beginning. It was polls don't matter pose matter because you remember at the beginning Bernie was winning right the polls of is so I that was that was. That was a good sign in my opinion on if the polls don't matter that means with Bernie is winning the polls still won't matter right and if the polls still don't matter you you'll be respecting migration more because you understand that This it's also the matter all this very much influence. The other problem with the structural disadvantages argument is that this time he had non-structural advantages which is saved by non stroke show. I mean the quote unquote. The democratic structure couldn't take away from him so for example. He had sky high name recognition. This time which is something like I mean. He had trump like name recognition he also had unlike. Donald Trump really really high approval. He was in many polls going into this election cycle the most popular politician in America polls going into election day he would have beat Donald Trump. I mean they're conjectural polls are abstract. You're giving people a magic third Unicorn option instead of the two actual options. They always like the Unicorn a little bit more but still but still people were voting for Bernie Sanders. He had all these non-structural advantages on people. That voted for before and then and this is the one. That really just boggles my mind. Bring it up earlier with. The congressional candidates brings back around here. He had so much money so much progressive money. That could have went to down about racist to get more. Ao Season Congress or whatever all that money was filtered into the sanders campaign this time around and it underperformed last time around in a substantial way. Even though it's still finished in second place but like we're we're the ADS on football. Where did this money go? I really I really want to see a post mortem on the campaign because people will look back to into look closer than it was because Biden's donors and donations caught up late but let's not forget that they're points throughout that campaign even into two thousand twenty where Biden was having a borrow mighty. Keep the thing afloat in donors. Were already exploring alternative options other than Joe Biden. It was obvious that considers wasn't going to win. I read a few articles again about suppose Sanders and based on her willingness to To join with Biden and based on the conversations. I've heard her have. She seems to be kind of a political mercenary of sorts. She has eroded Ideology but she doesn't let her professional Wherewithal it in the way of her. Her own are Ya'll rear is politics. She is in. Her career is politics democratic. She's like Donna Brazile the fact. That the Bernie Sanders campaign had all this money and and I know they didn't have it at the very beginning but they could have projected it and I don't know how much simone sanders cost but She was worth double whatever by paid for. I don't know what she brought A. She might be worth more than that. No because I think you know you get Simone Sanders. On binds team Bernie Loses Simone Sanders and replaces Simone Sanders kind of with like Nina Turner embryonic gray and I know that there are people who read. Let's say current affairs Jakobsen particular current affairs because they just hired Brianna Joy. Great to be writer there who would go lots of market improvement. In terms of Bernie's Bona Fida is stuff that doesn't mean anything day. Average voter Simone Sanders on the other hand is cut much more from the mold of the type of person you'd want under campaign staff when you're trying to do outreach. To voters in South Carolina especially in key African American surrogates stuff simone. Sanders probably has those relationships. My hunch is that people like Nina. Turner embryonic joy gray. How far less of those relationships and I don't know what supposed sanders do about Bernie Sanders in the the staff. That was that was with him in twenty sixteen in and the staff that remained with him in twenty twenty but there were probably a handful of of of bits of knowledge that she knew about vulnerable vulnerable brutal man. There were some handful. Hydro Quebec pronounce all her abilities. Then I am having trouble with the Bernie was vulnerable in subway and Something that Simone Zander's new helped by capitalize on however however Bernie was vulnerable. I'm convinced that And whether or not I why I also think that Bernie Losing Simone Sanders. I think love Bernie in a position where his ability to do outreach to James Clyburn of the world on his campaign's ability to do outreach. To those figures was hindered he was biasing more towards younger. People you know and I think you know the young people like we got the fresh ideas. We got the energy we got. We know what the kids want. And that's true in. That can be cool but you one of a balance of young people and older people because older people have those relationships with people in states. Where you're going to be trying to make key wins happen. Yeah I guess they thought they could be the first campaign in history to speak to the younger voter. The yogurt voter comes out and votes in droves and Bernie didn't put a premium on having some institutional knowledge. I mean losing Simone Sanders is like losing losing Simone Sanders to Joe. Biden is like losing your best chef out of your kitchen to the rival chef. Who is working down the street and makes the same type of food that you may. There's yeah it's just a mistake. That a more savvy. Restaurant tour would never allow to happen and would would endeavor to not allow that to happen. Even at pains versus. Allow you to happen realizing that this would be bad thing Spurs privatization. This was this would be similar from the Mavericks through the Spurs who Yeah Yeah Oh. Jj Berea was and in the example there was like jae-ji berea would moderately help out the spurs through of the season. But when the Spurs if this this hypothetical version spurs met the Mavericks in the playoffs. Jj berea would just murder the mavericks because he knows all the institutional secrets of the Mavericks offense you'd know how to read it and just slice it and dice. Ditto on defense. He'd know where all the weak points are and the Mavericks wouldn't have an answer for. They wouldn't have something comparable because you know in this case. Joe Biden didn't run last time around. So who's Joe Biden's team going to be who you poaching Joe Biden's campaign? There's no right theory right narrative as to why the Sanders Campaign underperform. But like I the reason why the sting so bad why. I completely agree. The Democrats can't just fucking nor this and can't do like another Tim. Kaine style move and hope you just sort of pass this is there is a real sense among progressives myself included that the movements improperly fucking dire straits now you can't just hang it all on. Amc Love Her. She's had a great first term as a congresswoman but prior to that she was working as a bartender like we can't put it all on a. Oh see needs help and like you know sanders. It felt like this was supposed to be his year. This time Into one hundred sixteen. There were no expectations. Kind of like this going back to your basketball thing like there are no expectations at first time around or you know like the buffalo bills no expectations you make it to the Super Bowl. It's great the second year round. You make it to the Super Bowl. You are expected to win especially after you didn't win the first time we went to the Super Bowl even if you were you know Saudi on board with brain centers. Even if he didn't give it to him if you're still somebody who identifies progressive this sucks. You're like hoping maybe Andrew Yang runs again and you kinda hoping that andrine doesn't embrace him sort of crazy ass ideas which he sometimes to embracing You're hoping for someone to kind of emerge from the mist here to keep the flame going and in yeah like right now. It feels kind of dire. This next episode is going to have. I would say get the tape recorders out. You're going to want to have a tape recorder out to record yourself listening to the podcast. When you hear me. Enjoy endorsed Joe Biden on the next show so I need to get my tape recorder. I'll get my own tapes out. Yeah you're GONNA need to. I mean or do you have like family home movies or anything recording over my birth of the daughter like what's the what's that tape do with these days. Get your most beloved fairly Videotape a race that fucker. Save it for the next episode. You're GONNA want Brian. Where can people find you on the Internet Coalfield busy recording over? I don't even have a VCR at save politics at safe politics at twit g twitter. I've at C. H. R. I S. F. O. V. E. M. B. R. No feel free to hurl insults at me. I I can take them. I swear so with that. We're GONNA go until the next one cheers. Bye Down One.
Barstool Rundown - September 30, 2020
"It's The rundown. Hi. Hello Donna. Hello Kate. Hodge podge crew just thrown together with people who happen to still be here. You look at this group and you say, thanks, they needed somebody. You know you can put that Mike home. This type that. Want okay. I'm wearing mine and I'm from Mississippi. I, figured it out story. Josh Clipper up and we take clipped. Myself, it's fine. To mess around with my clip. Time, fiddle midfield. Clipper. How it is? Lady. Clip were able to find the clip I was yeah. Yeah. You know where the clippers? Yes. Clipped up. Are you? Hi? I'm. I forgot like it's like I'm Lynn but the. The rundown is presented by high noon high noon or the heart Seltzer made with real vodka real juice sparkling water is delicious. They got the peach they got the Black Cherry they got the lime, the watermelon they got the grapefruit. Delicious. 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You'RE GONNA have to take a look figured out for yourself. It's tough to tell. Okay. What do you think? What do you think it? was. I really have no recollection my only opinion. Now, the debate you'll get out during debates. Now, I just had a couple of drinks in Houston like I always get drunk because like gotten drunk and a couple of videos. Now I think it would be a great character I. Think of the funny if somebody had to get blackout drunk to watch the debates, I think people did a lot of grocery story winning say beforehand and people. A lot of people buying Hainan's it was awkward. I'm going to be honest I didn't watch the debates now I just watching wrestlemainia nine. Better choice prior to the debates, they're making a big deal like should they take a drug test or not? I don't think there is any harm in a president who is over the age of seventy taking adderall in fact. Presidents over the age of seventy, your presidential candidates were on adderall. Require, yeah, I don't know because like right now like. Works. Okay. But like when I'm at that age I'm not going to be able to run a country I like I might not even be able to drive a car. Should require presidents to be on drugs at all times I agree. I. Think they should also use. It also have to pass a driver's test like you should have to drive from the tip of Manhattan to the bottom without getting a fender bender. Old people stuff. Where can I ask them? What time? What time would you like to go? Eat a cracker barrel is they say like if it's before five thirty. Be President. Okay. All right. The colored any. Traits favorite podcasts caller daddy was theropod guests here at Barstool Sports, and she had Lana roads on today porn star Lana roads hand actually. A big porn lady. Yeah. So big on the roads is she's fantastic. She's A. She's the Meryl Streep of seized. Whatever yeah she's now like a youtube blogger she made the transition now she's a Legit porn-star, right? Oh. Yeah, oh. 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But I keep the shortland upfront next drive and I keep fell the one in the back racking just grab it. If you saw it I, remember when I drove you back from were like are these golf clubs just around guess there for if I need most better heard. Store legit why I keep them. Their case I ever need to I don't know why. Picture get broken. They get broken for that purpose or did you re purpose a broken pitching much? Shorter one is snapped off. So it just fits nice and snug great. An insane. Would do more damage than a baseball bat I just 'cause it's like I get a lot of momentum like baseball bats much denser but that thing like it's it's got that like. I got the head where if you hit someone with the head of the Gulf, Club in the right place I think are cute impact. The Golf Club might have the advantage being being ironed but they more widespread impact. The BASEBALL MATTERS IS GONNA Live I if I, hit you. Fight you in the shoulder. You'd rather have the golf club I think. It depends on the back. Does depend on the talking metal bats. Yeah. You'RE GONNA win. Just gotTA. Go back to you real quick. If you're GONNA, use that weapon do you use it as a hitter or stabber? We'll. So in my mind the way it goes down. Okay. Favors and I'm way up in the boonies going hiking. Before you go hiking sometimes, you gotta go the bathroom some venue in the West for a second. Okay, take the club with you. Maybe there's a very creepy guy because there's whatever. So something comes at you start swinging that sucker get too close you flip it around and you just start you go for the is. Would you rather fight a creepy guy or a bobcat almost certainly creepy guy. They, have a small cat. He's terrifying. I'm covered in scratches yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah I think Kate could take most creepy guys. I'm a ligature that's the problem is they're user problem of creepy guys following women taking dumps in the woods on the way to hiking is that a prevalent problem in new? York hasn't been. See The golf club in my hand. So deterrence I like the I like the idea of somebody's seeing. You're going through the Gulf Club Oh. She's going off and now she's just going to shift. She's just insane. Yeah steelers and the titans the titans with some covert issues game looks like it's going to be postponed to Monday or Tuesday. Not really the big cove disaster that people thought it could be that's good news Monday or Tuesday night footballs steelers Titans Kate your that confirmed his play I don't think that's confirmed. I think I'm just going some some reports I'm assuming by six thirty when people watch this, it'll be confirmed. Yes. If people make it this far kept us on another. Actually these faces, morning, Sunshine People Click on it. They don't seem tech they. They they leave. Thank you. Nobody wash. We do have a show called morning sunshine. I'm Kinda something about Ben Roethlisberger. He you know he knows like what are those dogs? 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S2 Ep 10: Big Board 2.0, Part 1
"It's the lock on podcast network team every day. You're listening to chatter ford's nba. Big board on lockdown podcast network. Today's episode is brought to you by bill. barr com. Use promo code locked on you get twenty percents off your new order. It's time to debut big board two point. Oh this is called. Chad ford's mba big board and that means that we're gonna do big boards and we've now had a little over a month since big board one point. Oh i've had the chance to watch a lot more college basketball games watch some highlights of some gay g. league scrimmages have been able to watch a tape of some international games and most importantly for me have been able to talk to a lot of nba scouts. That are out there scouting these guys and getting their impressions from general managers and professional scouts. About what they see heading into this draft right now and i think it's time for an update. I will say that. There's not a lot of huge changes at the beginning of our big board but as we get deeper down we're starting to see a number of new names bubble into late lottery into the mid first round and we're starting to round out our big board a little bit more. I'm gonna go forty deep on our big board. We're going to do the top twenty in this episode and then we'll come back and do twenty one through forty in the next episode and really try to give you an idea of where those guys are in the first round right now as well and look. We still have a lot of time. We've got all february march madness. Hopefully that will happen Those will all be significant. Chances for guys to move up or frankly for guys the slide down And then you know. Depending on what the protocols are going to be as far as mba workouts and other things go. We'll be able to see more there. We also have g leagues game g. league games being able to be televised. And we're going to be able to see the g. league night it starting in a little bit in mid february and we'll be able to watch up to fifteen of those games and we'll be able to see what jonathan coming jalen green look like as well and so it's time to do some updates on the big board and like i said before these big boards are based off a consensus at the end of the day between nba scouts. General managers. that. I'm talking to right now about where they have. These guys ranked them not ranking them. According to team needs this is not a mock draft and for the most part those nba scouts and general managers win the day. If i disagree with them but everybody has a guy higher than me then. He goes higher If there's a tie sometimes then you know. I may come in and put my finger on the scales but what i'm trying to do here is report. What i think is the general consensus from nba teams. And i want to start with the top five because these top five right now. I will do my tears column towards the end of the draft right before the draft happens usually about a week or two before the draft. But if i were to do it today i would say that. There's as many as five guys who are looking like tier one guys if you remember from last draft when i did my tears column. I personally didn't have any guys in tier one talking to nba teams and be scouts. While there was guys that got votes for tier one. Like lamelo ball. Anthony edwards james wiseman ultimately none of them got the fifty percent threshold to move into tier one. If i if i were betting man right now and for that particular survey to a pretty wide swath of nba teams and general managers and scouts. I'm thinking that there might be as many as five tier one prospects in this draft right now. So we'll start at the top. He was number one a big board. One point oh he stays number one here in big bore two point okayed cunningham. The point forward freshman out of oklahoma state. Who who's been really everything that he was advertised to be as the one of the most complete players in the draft who plays one of the most important positions in the draft wing. He's averaging eighteen points a game six rebounds a game nearly four assists the game one and a half steals a game. He shooting thirty nine percent from three. Which i think was definitely one of the swing skills for kate cunningham. That teams had coming in. How well of an outside shooter is he going to be and so far. The numbers look really good on that end. If there's an issue with kate cunningham right now and i think it's an interesting one. It's that he has not been a particularly careful with the ball. He's averaging three and a half turnovers a game which is which is pretty high and he has a lot in this oklahoma state offense. They rely heavily on him which means at times. He's forcing things. But that's the one red flag. If i'm looking at you know just sort of overall the numbers and what's going on where the red flag might be. It's that again. Three point five turnovers jumps to about three point eight in this per thirty six. And that's the one that i would that i would be careful about watching because his reputation coming in was that this is one of the steadiest playmakers that you're going to find his ability to see the game to be afford leader very high and that assist to turnover ratio is really the only major war that i can really see on statistical profile right now and again. I think you have to caveat that some by the fact that you look at the team that he's playing on and how teams can really game plan for him every night that there are reasons why i think that cunningham might not have the highest assist to turnover ratio at least one that we would expect. I still think that in talking to the nba teams. This is his the lose as far as the number one pick. Does i think it's a combination of just a super super high floor and very very high ceiling combined with plane an ideal position in the nba. This is the most coveted position to play this three wing. That can guard. Multiple positions can play multiple positions on. Offense can handle the ball. The wade cunningham can and it's the perfect combination of a guy with high floor. High ceiling plays the perfect position. That's why he gets the edge right now as the number one prospect on my big board at number two a slight change mobely moves up from three to two freshman. Big out of usc that reminds so many scouts. That i've been talking to to a young chris bosh so far he's been really dominant at one of the most dominant freshman in college basketball through sixteen games. He's averaging sixteen and a half points a game nearly nine rebounds a game couple of the game one number that really stands out is that. He's averaging three blocks a game so he's a terrific rim protector. Which is something. That i think was a question mark about him. Coming in. he's also shovel shown the ability to stretch the floor shooting thirty two percent from three. That's numbers not like elite But it's good and fifty nine percent effective field goal position and one of the things that scouts to love about mobely. Is the offense from anywhere on the floor. He can post up He he's got a soft touch around the basket. He can stretch the floor. He can also take his man off the bounce. Which is something really unique for player his size and he has just been phenomenal early on. I think there was some concern for him coming to his senior year of high school. About how dedicated. He was going to be how motivated he was. I think those go away now. And many many teams looking at moberly as a legit number one prospect. And maybe the guy that could unseat cape cunningham if the team that ultimately ends up with the number one pick in the draft is in desperate need of a big guy. I know that biggs have been devalued in recent drafts. But i think when you look at moberly and look at his versatility. He is a prototypical. Modern big thing. He's gonna fit in really well. Nimby needs to strength. That's probably the biggest thing that i would say about him early on. And if i were looking at statistical profile something that would concern me a little bit. And you see this. Probably most clearly in his defensive rebound number which are which are okay but he gets pushed around bed. And i think that's something that sort of stands out when you look at moberly but he's you know he's just nineteen and a half right now he'll be a little bit older twenty years old on draft day but a guy that i just really think is worthy of a number one pick and has played so well the season. It's really hard to deny that. He's they're moving from two three and really. This could be two way to be. I mean this was so close to siding where to put these guys jalen suggs the guard freshman outta gonzaga and the only reason that suggs maybe drops slightly over. Mobely is just the lack of elite size. If he's going to be more of to than a one and i think there definitely are con conversations among mba general managers and scouts. Right now about what position he's going to be at the nba. When you look at his numbers right now gonzaga fantastic through fifteen games. He's averaging thirteen and a half points a game. Five five point three rebounds a game four and a half assists a game. Two point three steals per game. He shot a decent from three at thirty six percents. has a pretty good fifty seven point. Five effective field goal percentage and suggs to me is the best competitor in this draft and that is one thing that i think is really really exciting about. Him is the way that he goes. He's a live wire. I think it's the six four thing that's the only thing. If he's a six four shooting guard on better big concern he does. He does have a tendency to turn the ball over but not as bad as cade cunningham. He he also can be a little bit foul prone though that again. I don't think is necessarily something. That teams are concerned about. I think it's his aggressiveness. But suggs to me or mobely or cunningham all could be number one picks in virtually any draft. I think they all would went number. One in last year's draft ahead of anthony edwards. And i think there's an argument to be made for each of them right now for the number one pick in the draft. If were bigger. I think that he might be the easy number. One pick in the draft. I think it's the six four thing that has him going just a little bit a little bit lower at four. Is jonathan coming. The ford at the plane for g league ignite and all teams really have to go on right now for coming reports out of practices and then to scrimmages that he's done that will change in early february. When we start to get the g. league's regular schedule. They're going into the bubble in orlando either the g. league teams gonna pay play. Fifteen games and those games will be televised at teams Are really excited about being able to see them against a varied competition and real games. Not just in scrimmages but i think the revelation early on with coming is that he might be a better nba prospect of jalen green. And i'll just give it away right now. Jalen green is number five on board. And so we've got to g. league guys right there. They just switched orders. Coming was five and big board one point. Oh green was four in big big one point. Now they've switched. And i think the thing that has ever green his size. I think the defensive end. He is a much much better defender and projects as a very versatile guy that can guard multiple positions on the floor with fast twitch athleticism long arms. Nba strength and and aggressiveness and a willingness to play on that in. He's rar offensively than green. Green is already going to be one of the best scores in this draft. As far as just a pure score guy can go get his basket and a number of different ways. But i think commingle is more well rounded game and bigger size means that teams are are higher on him including a couple of general managers who have just flat out asked whether it's possible that commingle could enter into the conversation for the number one pick in the draft. I do think that's possible if you take his high in cop which some teams have made which is a kawhi leonard then you could make an argument for him as the number one pick in the draft. Do i think it's likely i think that he would have to dominate at the g. League ignite to get there. And i think they truly dominate at that level to get above cunningham globally and sides. But if he did that. I think it will be interesting because every nba team will tell tell you that that g. league nyc competition that they're going to be playing against every night is a step above the nc double a. Competition these are the best players on their college team. They're older they're more experienced. A number of these guys have played league and then if coming can do it at that level playing an nba sets then his translation to the next level is even higher in easier to make than cunningham. Mobile your socks. And so that's that's the argument for for coming and certainly jalen green. You're talking about a terrific athlete. Who really has a nose for scoring the basketball and a number of different ways and a guy that is really exciting to teams because at the end the end of the day getting a two guard really knows how to score. The basketball is another coveted. They ain't and why anthony edwards went number one in the draft and most teams when they're comparing jalen green to anthony. Edwards will say that they believe. Green is the better prospect than anthony edwards. They think he's a better peer score than edwards. He's not quite the athlete that anthony edwards is. But he's a very very very very good athlete as well but just think that he has a little bit more well rounded game and that is why green may end up in that conversation that he could move up a few spots right now. I have him at five. But that's that's why we're talking about this draft being loaded. Those top five guys are in a tier one type of category right now and if that stays there up until the draft. It's extremely rare to have a draft with five tier one potential guys when we come back from the break. We're going to talk about the other side of that. Which is that the draft sort of drops off pretty significantly in my opinion after those top five and when we come back we'll look at pick six through twelve and see what's going on with that sort of next. I think kind of tear. 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Texas which is a little bit out of his comfort zone but i actually think some. Nba teams really like that because it's forcing him and giving them an idea of what his skill set is going to be in the nba. If you were able to move to the three. He's averaging twelve points a game eight rebounds a game which is terrific. Here's the number. That is just absolutely shocking. Zero point one assists per game a he has a grand total. My friends of one assists in thirteen games that he has played at texas. That's right one assists in thirteen games at texas. That is a statistical outlier. That is just insane that one assist came against davidson on november thirtieth and he has yet to post an assistance. Then you look you can put some of this on the team offense and the role that he's able to play you can put up some of it on the fact that he's kinda shot happy and that when greg brown gets the ball he just wants to either take it to the basket or shoot the three. He shooting thirty percent from three. But i think generally teams think that he's going to be an okay. Three point shooter in the league has a forty nine effective field goal range. He just still figuring out how to play the game especially as a wing player. And i think that that is something that i is obviously going to be concerning to some nba teams. I think though that you've heard or at least i've heard from a number of nba teams. That may be the guy who he is going to be. The next level is jeremy grant who has been a row player in the league for quite a long time before obviously breaking out in a huge huge way for the troy pistons this year but a guy that just constantly improved on the offensive side. Got more comfortable and finally is having a breakout season this year for the detroit pistons and nba teams like these high ceiling prospects. Guys that maybe don't quite get it done in the regular season and the cut in their freshman college basketball season but they just project so big down the road. And i think that's why patrick williams a state ends up going as high as he goes on draft night and i think the same thing could be about great band. So if you're freaking out right now and saying. Why is greg brown at six and pulling your hair out. There's lots of college basketball players. Who have been better than him early on. I would say you've got to think about the nba draft. Not just about what players have done but also potential and if he was doing what jalen suggs are inevitable. Bogere cunningham was doing that. We have him in a different here completely because he has that level of athletic talent. He's not there and that's why he drops into more of a tier two tier three ish. I'm not really sure where these guys are gonna land as we get closer to the draft as far as years ago maybe tier to most of them right now. Frankly look a little bit more like tier three guys to me. But we'll see how that plays out over the season at seven staying with scotty barnes the freshman forward out of florida state. Who's like a point. Power forward is real like a point. Four is probably the best way to describe him. his numbers also been all over the place. This season at ten points. A game for rebounds a game four assists the game. One point three steals a game shooting thirty percent from three a little bit better fifty two point five percent effective goal range in twelve games for him. He's just an interesting prospect in my mind because of his ability to handle the ball i because of his high feel for the game high basketball iq. But let's just be honest that there's a lot of things to be concerning about with him as well his rebounds for player his size or not good at all especially his defensive rebounds his jump shot like i said has been struggling and i think that that becomes especially even more concerning when you look at his free throw numbers which are only fifty one percent right now. That is a really usually great indicator of whether you're going to be a good three point shooter in the nba is how you shoot your free throws and fifty one percent is actually terrible. He also just doesn't get to the free throw line. I very often. He turnovers have been sort of high. And you know another thing that i think is interesting and probably again shows a lack of elite athleticism is. He's only blocking zero point. Three shots a game. Which for a player. His size is at six nine is concerning why is he at seven. Part of it is that again. You're seen a significant drop off prospects at this point and part of it is that that high basketball iq that versatility to play multiple positions is really intriguing. Nba teams right now and they're not ready to write him off yet. Though in fairness at florida state he much like greg brown has been all over the place as far as his impact on the game at eight. We're staying with jaylon. Johnson they freshman forward out of duke. Who does a lot of similar things to scotty barnes in that. He handles the ball as sort of a point. Four a guy that has had big big games for duke and then turns around and is a no show at all but what teams like about him obviously is his ability to handle the ball what he does in open court. He's averaging twelve points a game seven rebounds a game two and a half assists the game one and a half blocks game one point two steals a game shooting thirty one percent from three fifty seven point nine effective field goal. A little bit better. This is through nine games so the sample size a little bit smaller for jaylon johnson because of some injuries. But he's back in the things that he does. Well all really revolve around his ability to handle the ball. He's been a good rebounder. He's been a solid shot. Blocker like i said and i think defensively. There's a lot of things to really like about him. The problem with him as offensively when you get into half court sets his ability to create his own shot or to shoot. The three are both really really questionable. Right now he's only averaging a one and a half three point attempts a game and when he shoots those. It's not pretty. He shooting thirty one percent from three. But there's a lot of things that look quite ugly. His free throw percentage also again like scotty barnes not great at sixty two point five percent. What's really interesting about jobs at some teams really really like him and they think that he has star qualities about him there are teams that have him in their top five but when you watch his weaknesses in hard to not get obsessed with those and everybody wants to john like huge games that he had like twenty four point. Fifteen rebound performance seven assists performance against pitt. When he looked the part of a top five pick in the draft but the next game against louisville he has nine points has six turnovers four rebounds. Zero insists and that has been jaylon johnson. The season and i think there are concerns about how we be thinking about him. Long-term at number nine again. We're talking about a player who has been extremely streaky. And that sire williams the freshman wing out of stanford. His numbers have been okay and thirteen games. He's averaging twelve and a half points a game. Five points seven rebounds. Two point eight assists a game. One point one steals per game. He's shooting thirty. Two percent from three has a pretty low forty two point nine percent effective field goal. And you know he's a guy that just as overall field goal percentage at thirty six point seven percent is a bit disturbing he as had his moments that opening game against alabama. He looked really good. And i would say that the last week or two. He seems to have found his groove a little bit more starting to play better. A game against utah was a pretty solid game where he hit four three pointers in that game. Which i think is really important for him but only those were the only shots he hit all night and one of the things about him is. The skill level is extremely high. And that's going to be something that's going to be really interesting to nba teams but he needs to get stronger and because of his lack of strength struggles finish around the basket thing. That's one of the big concerns about him right now. He's pretty pretty turnover. Prone three point five turnovers a game right now when you watch him play he looks like and this is the first guy that i would. I would say this about at this level. He desperately needs another year at stanford to really work on his body to get stronger to improve on his weaknesses but the talent level is so high. I if he comes out now. I think he's still a lottery. Pick and you can say that about several players in in this draft and maybe even several players that we've talked about already desire williams to me is the first guy that really stands out. In that vein. So does the guy that is number ten. He's moved up a few spots on our big board. Kion johnson the freshman shooting guard out of tennessee. And the interesting thing about ken. johnson is he. He's been on and off as a starter. He hasn't had a big really year by any stretch of the imagination. He's averaging eight point nine points a game three rebounds a game two assists a game. One still a game. He's only shooting twenty three percent from three. Which is pretty disappointing. His effective field goal percentage is at forty seven point one percent which is also isn't great but what he brings his energy he brings athleticism. He's a terrific defender. Which is something that if you look at the plus minus numbers. You're going to see something that i think. I'm is really intriguing as well. And he's really young. He's one of the youngest players in this draft. He's still eighteen years old. And i think that because of that and because of the role that he's being asked to play at tennessee right now. There is a sort of feeling that you can't judge him exactly the same way that you can judge some of these other. Freshmen prospects are really being asked to lead their teams. He's a role player on tennessee. His minutes are only twenty. One point seven minutes a game right now at tennessee and when he's when he's given more of a chance his his numbers improve and so i think again it's going to be a little bit like when we're talking about zaire williams here is he ready for the nba. No but at least he's got the nba body. At least he's got the defensive intensity upside still. There is really terrific and i think kion johnson ultimately ends up as a lottery. Pick if he goes in this draft at eleven james book night shooting guard sophomore out of yukon really started the season red hot a lot of people. I think thought this is a guy who is worthy of like that. Top ten performance averaging twenty point three points per game five point three rebounds a game one point seven assists per game one point. Five steals per game wasn't shooting at great thirty two point four percent from three his effective field goal percentage is at fifty one point one percent which is just okay a but i think and then he injured his elbow and when he entered injured his elbow. We haven't seen him since that. January fifth game atm arquette is the last time we've seen him play. We expect him back just in what we've read in the media sometime in february whether it's the beginning of february or the middle of february i think is something that's still up in the air and so we haven't been able to see enough of him to know whether that that six game breakout warrants him moving up the list or down the list so he sort of just holding i there to eleven but certainly one of the few guys in this draft after those top five guys that are putting up significant numbers and look like a guy who could light it up concerning the little bit lack of size. He doesn't really have point guard skills and his his three point shooting at thirty two percent. Certainly want to see better from him going forward at twelve. We're going to go with a guy who is a bit of a polarizing prospect but it seems that the polarization is beginning to fade away. And that's david johnson. The sophomore point guard at a louisville. He's a big point guard for people that have followed me for a long time. They know that. I do love big point guards. He's at six five to ten. He's also pretty pretty young. He's nineteen still for a player. That's a sophomore. And through the first fourteen games for louisville twelve and a half points a game six rebounds a game three and a half assists. A game is still a game one thing. That's been a huge factor for him and moving up. The board has been three point shooting. He's shooting forty percent from three this season. Which is something that. Nba teams are really happy about averages. Almost two threes one and a half threes made per game and that that is a big deal and the other thing. That's been a big deal and john hollinger and i joked about this in in a podcast that we had before is he was a turnover monster. Absolute turnover monster as a as a freshman and he came back as a sophomore and was doing it again and one of the wildest players you'd ever seen very creative passer can see the floor can do a lot of great things but just turn the ball over too much and one thing that i would say is that he started tone that down a little bit if you go for a stretch. January had a one turnover game against boston. College one turnover game against wake forest to turnovers against miami two turnovers against florida state. only two turnovers against duke. He's really had only one bad turnover game last month. And that was against clemson on january twenty seventh when he put up five turnovers in what just had to be one of his worst games of the year at at clemson but i think that if that trend continues and he shows that he can take care of the ball more than he is much more intriguing prospects because he's got. Nba bodies got athleticism. He can play the one and the two if he can stretch the floor like that and keep for turning the ball over. I think he's absolutely worthy as as a top twelve. Four fifteen guy in this year's draft that those turnover start creeping back up or if that three point percentage that we've seen him really improve. I dramatically the season. start to creep down. Then he could slide into the late teens. Early twenty s night all right. That's the first twelve guys on big board two point. Oh when we return. 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That's one. I listened to regularly. I really love it. You should check it out and especially if you're kobe. Bryant fan think. You're going to get information on kobe that you've never heard before these guys just do an amazing job. There's no kobe. Bryant's in this draft. Unfortunately and when we get to pick thirteen you're starting to get into another round of iffy. Nece either were really projecting on some of these freshmen or vice versa. We're taking some older prospects who are actually playing really well but maybe there's a reason that they've been not in the nba already at thirteen new guy to our big board sharieff cooper. The point guard freshman out of auburn. Who had to sit out auburn's first month month and a half of the of the season for some ncw eligibility issues and has just been wildfire since he's returned to auburn and in my opinion one of the funnest players to watch in this draft. He's just electric with the ball. He can get anywhere on the floor. He is super creative. Passer with a great great feel for the game and his numbers have been just dominant for a freshman twenty one point three points per game in the first seven games five point three rebounds a game which is pretty amazing sense doubt he is going to be six feet tall with the nba. Measures and eight point one assists per game one steal per game. And then there's some ugly numbers. He's shooting nine thousand nine percent from three in those first seven games Forty two percent effective field goal. That's ugly and for all the speed quickness ability to get anywhere on the floor his his feel for the game and ability to set up teammates. He's just small. He's listed at six one eighty. I doubt both of those numbers. He doesn't look that big. And you see that. It affects him at times and finishing at the basket or even getting a shot off on the perimeter. He's got a sort of low and slower lease on a shot which is not great for player his size and just look. Nba teams generally. Don't get super excited about prospects. That are six feet. Maybe gonna be five eleven in socks when he gets measured at the combine. but there's so many intangibles that cooper brings to the table. I've just really enjoyed watching him. I've gotta seems play several times. I saw him play against kentucky assigned play against missouri against baylor the other night which was a little bit of a tougher game. And i think that when you look at the overall trajectory of where this young man is going he gets to the line he makes things happen on both ends of the court. And i think that somebody is going to take him as an energy guard. That comes off the bench and can just make plays happen. He he would be. I sure in my opinion at top ten guy if if he was bigger and maybe like a top seven top six guy if he was if he was taller but the fact that he's six feet is really the thing. That's that's hurting the stock. And now look i'm being a little bit aggressive with the thirteenth talking to some mba teams. They'll tell me that they really don't want players his size on the roster. So it's a it's a hard no for them and for other teams. They think that they're going to get value here. Because of the high high level of talent that he has despite the fact that he so small where he ends up on draft night. Still getting a feel for that. But if you're if we're just ranking on talent right now. He's probably underrated at thirteen at fourteen core. Kiss burt. the senior small four data gonzaga. Who brings one skill to the table but man is at a skill. I in seventeen games. He's averaging twenty points a game five rebounds a game couple of the game shooting a red hot forty nine percent from three and is effective field. Goal percentage is ridiculous at seventy point two percent and this guy is the best shooter in the most efficient shooter in this draft. You can get a shot off from anywhere. And i don't think he's necessarily a liability on the defensive. And i think that's one of the things that's unique about him. When you think about players that are typically known to be great shooters is that. They're going to also get lit up on the defensive end and his defensive box plus minus scores are are are great. I'd say they're like a small strike against him. But i think the everything else that you're talking about the sky from an office standpoint is just so terrific. He shooting ninety percent from the free. Throw line he is gonna come in the nba. You know what he's gonna do you. Don't you're not gonna ask him to do much more than that. But he's going to fit into that joe harris type role in the nba. And i think you'll have a long career at fifteen. it's joss. Christopher the shooting guard freshman out of arizona state another guy. that's been. I think he's been polarizing. Some teams really like him one of the very highly ranked coming out of high school other teams a little frustrated. You know he's his numbers. Fifteen point three points a game. Four point rebounds a game one point five assists a game boy steals steals a game which is pretty good. He's a score. That thirty two percent from three is a problem. He's gonna have to shoot the ball better if he's going to get attention but for a guy that you're looking to be able to put the ball in the basket. I think you can do that. It's frustrating team at arizona state right now. I'm not sure that you always see the best of him every night. I think that also affects marcus. Bagley as well is he going to be a star the nba level. I'm not really sure about that. But i think he's a good enough score that i'm surprised that not getting more attention in this this round and he's right on that lottery bubble at sixteen brand in boston. Junior the wing freshman out of kentucky. Who had his eye on. Being a potential number one pick in the draft before the season began has had an absolutely brutal career at kentucky has lately played better for the most part but most of the numbers are are really tough these averaging twelve points a game five and a half rebounds a game one point three assists a game one point three steals a game shooting eighteen from three which is just mind boggling. Because this was not really a major issue for him coming out of high school only thirty six percent from the field has a terrible time finishing at the rim because he lacked strength drives giancarlo pari nuts. Just as decision making his feel for team basketball. Right now is off. He is the next guy that i would talk about that in. My opinion desperately desperately needs another year of college basketball to get stronger to get tougher. A do do a better job at every level of what he needs to do better at. But i'm not sure that that's what he's going to do. I think he's had his heart set on the nba and if he declares for the draft. I think someone takes him in the late lottery to mid first round and i think one thing that they'll point to is that he's had lately some better games against georgia against lsu. He started to show up a little bit more and when he shows up he starts to look a little bit like a lottery prospect again and fortunately there's lots of other games like two games that he's played against alabama where he's really really struggled and when he struggles like that you scratch your head a little more and saying you know maybe not. I still believe that. Boston is got to be like jade mcdaniels that someone is going to take a chance on him now. J.d mcdaniels let all the way to the end the very end of the first round. But i think that this draft doesn't have the depth of the twenty twenty drafted because it doesn't have that depth. I don't necessarily think that we're going to see him. Slide that far at seventeen. It's moses moody. The shooting guard freshman out of arkansas. Who i it's this one's really tough one for me because he does two things that i think. Nba teams have to really be interested about one is that he's a really terrific shooter. He's shooting thirty six percent from three at arkansas. But i. I don't think that that's going to be a big issue when you think about it. Overall i'm too is that he's got a really great length For his position right now. And he's had a really solid freshman season averaging sixteen point six points a game five and a half rebounds a game one point seven assists. A game is still a game. He's not the world's greatest athlete. I'm not sure that ultimately he's going to be a great defender in the nba. I think you're going to have to hide him a little bit on that end. But i think when you look at moody and what. He's done the season. His production level is better than josh. Christopher brennan boston for example teams. Just don't seem quite ready to pull the trigger on him yet and put him above those guys that were maybe a little bit higher ranked come coming out at eighteen. It's day ron sharp of the center freshman out of north carolina. Whose numbers won't wow you. But if you've watched him game film You know that this guy has one of the highest motors in college basketball and sixteen games averaging nine points a game. Seven point seven rebounds a game one five assists a game steal a game forty nine point six percent effective field goal. He's an old school. Big guy hasn't made a three This entire season. He does his damage in the pain where he's just so active and his he's got a pretty good feel for the game. I've actually really enjoyed watching him play. I think he is definitely the best prospect on north carolina as a freshman. I think he xiang and those steals number is really interesting for a big guy and again i think it talks about his hustle and his energy wherever he goes and he's going to have the size and strength. I think to play in the nba to be an energy type guy and given the lack of like elite depth this draft. I think that that's pretty much all you can really ask for at this point in the draft at nineteen. This is his first introduction to our big board not wasn't wasn't on big board one point. Oh he is on big two point. Oh cam thomas the freshman shooting guard at lsu who has been putting up maybe next to shreve poupard the best numbers as a freshman in college basketball through sixteen games at lsu at twenty two point three points a game. Two point six rebounds a game one point four assist the game when steel game. He's shooting twenty eight percent from three and this is a very high volume score. Who has the green light to do whatever he wants to do. Lsu right now he a little bit undersized i position he's not an elite athlete and you might be wondering how as a freshman who is averaging twenty two points a game nod in your top ten and it's for all those reasons. The lack of a jump shot a lack of a lead athleticism the lack of great size for his position the inability to do much else but score. The basketball are all sort of reasons. That i think teams are wary of camp thomas right now and i know some people are and i've seen some boards where he's been much much higher. I just i question whether that's where he's going to end up on draft night. Think he's much more comfortable in these late teens. Early twenty s as far as the draft prospect goes and twenty. Jared butler their guard. Junior out of baylor. Who's having a terrific season like college basketball player of the year type season for butler undefeated team this year. Averaging nearly seventeen points a game three and a half rebounds a game five and half assists a game. Two point three steals a game shooting forty five percent from three have has a really terrific fifty nine point six effective field goal number and the thing about butler is he just a guard he can defend ones and twos he can play offensively one and two. You can really shoot the basketball. He's tough he's not a super explosive athlete. He's not a guy necessarily. That's gonna wow you. I don't think is ceiling is particularly high. But i also think he has a super high floor with a high basketball. Iq the toughness that nba teams one and the ability to describe it out and if he could project as a point guard because he doesn't have elite size for his position. Then i think you're talking about a guy that is really worthy of of a pick in the late teens early twenties i mean he you just statistically he pops in just about everything other than that. He doesn't get to the line a lot. And that's you know. Maybe the biggest concern for him is that he's so perimeter oriented but he's had some huge games of late. Thirty point outing against. Kansas came back the next night with a big game against oklahoma state and then those games he was thirteen for sixteen from three which are just ridiculous numbers. So he's taking taking a lot of threes. I i love him. I that he brings so much to the table again not the sexiest prospect. But a guy that i think more and more teams are getting comfortable with this. Is the guy that you can take. You can plug him in teams. That are drafting in the late teens. Early twenties playoff teams. That could use a guy like this. That could come in play either position off the bench. And i think that's why butler moves up a couple of spots to twenty on big board to point out next podcast. We're going to pick twenty one and we're going to go all the way to forty and talk about those ten guys. They're on the bubble. I'm building on my big board right now. All the way to sixty. But i think we're ready to do to go all the way into forty time. Sorta next podcast. We'll do twenty or forty. We'll talk about those bubble guys. We'll talk about some guys we haven't yet talked about on this podcast a couple of international guys and just a couple of guys. We just haven't really had the chance to to spend time talking about like charles bassey for example the center out of western kentucky so when we come back that will be big board. Two point zero part two picks twenty one through forty year. Listen to chad ford's nba. Big board on the lockdown podcast network aloha for your hot takes and you're hip sports news and all the fun around the game checkout clutch points dot com clutch points dot com.
Ep. 487: Lincolnian Projections
"Yeah. Ladies and Gentlemen Hello again welcome back to don't worry about the government. My name is Chris November. Now it is Wednesday evening October Twenty, eighth twenty twenty. We are just a few days away from election day and before we get started, let me remind you all once again please go and vote and in many states now it is imperative that you go and do so in person or deliver your ballots in person do not allow the male to be the vehicle for which your vote gets returned because. This year quite frankly There is a real chance that it might not get counted and wouldn't want that to happen to you and you wouldn't know until after the fact, after fact, do you ever know with me on the show today is Lindsay Duke Lindsay Duke. If, a vote is voted but encountered does anyone now I think that's called like a hanging Chad or something. There's like a job that could make and I'm just not actually functioning as a human enough at the moment to really be clever and I'm sorry I'm just going to be here to let you down. Okay all right. Well, if a true false in the forest, we will move along with a show. So we've got a number of different things I want to talk about here on this episode, this is just kind of talk soup episode of stuff that is happening around the election here Soup it is. There's some interesting stuff here how about this I I know I have this in one order. Let's jumble the order a little bit because lent's fairly quick. We learned today the identity of Lodestar. Anonymous This is miles Taylor if that's not a household name. That's okay. Probably means that CNN or MSNBC is not on in your household a lot. But if you watch either of those two networks, you have seen miles Taylor around in recent weeks here he's doing the trump rehabilitation tour thing and just to remind everyone miles Taylor was the Department of Homeland Security's Chief of staff in February twenty, nine hundred actually was elevated to that position. So he had a relatively high position of power in the Department of Homeland Security Wall Dhs was doing and Was beginning to do I was gonNA say was doing. It sounds like in the past tense. It is still very much ongoing but was beginning to do very horrible things down the border to the people that they were detaining and he published this I am a secret guy in the White House said, I am trying to stop the bad things from happening. Well, very much doing bad things. You gotTa love that right secret identity where you're like in a position to do good and you don't. But you talk about how much he wished he could. It's fun I mean he's been calling himself a whistle blower right and. Did. He. Bowl whistle. I mean, what did the anonymous editorial bowl whistle on? There's bad still emptying in the White, house? You know what's funny to me is. I had to remember what the anonymous book thing was. because. I was like wait anonymous. Group the hacking group. That's how crazy this year's been that I. Forgot about that particular scandal. Because it's like you have never trump version of anonymous that you also have left. And they're two different things. Never trump out of is getting. Left out of this has been. So here's my other thing on miles. Taylor though. So I get the, he's a whistleblower I don't want. Legal reprisal on him well, I'll take that back. He's of He's in a great area of whistle blowing to me because it's like what did he both the whistle on, and that is important if you're going to call yourself a whistle blower, but I'd still want him to be covered under whistle blower protections. But here's the other thing in choosing to remain anonymous well into this year and he was asked about it by Anderson Cooper and other people who still denying that he was an anonymous people inside the administration I'm not saying they're good people. Are Mother people were getting wrongfully accused of being anonymous in need trump which hunt to try to find out who anonymous Woo Hoo. We can't have that. Yeah I'm not I. I'm not saying these poor people but I'm saying if you're going to try to go like miles, Taylor's this hero throwing people under the bus by throwing up the smoke. Clear he's not. Yeah. No. I don't I don't know Victoria Coats. If you're willing to work inside the administration, I'm assuming that you're not a great person but Victoria coats did face correo reprisals from colleagues who thought that she might be the author because the trump administration's culture is so toxic in paranoid that like everyone wants to find the most so we can please Mr Trump. Yeah. No, it's. Not a cruel thing that he knows and just. So tired of all of these people who they desperately want you to know that they're trying in that. They understand that he's a big bad man but nope, can't actually go on the record. Jeff. Bolton What's the chief of staff that always oh John Kelly John Kelly. Kept low-profile just, Gimenez. Off. Cow into this little man that youth. Especially People Mattis Madison's spell because Mattis was run out of the administration and okay I kind of get if you get into the depth of madness, Maddison's departure from the Obama administration was not exactly smooth. It was dicey enough that when he got fired by Obama's team, he actually burned a whole bunch of his records so. He pissed off. They did not see eye to eye on this stuff but then again, matters also has now served inside of the trump administration and knows full well, just how trump is and was telling the troops that it when he was still inside the administration where the hell's even. But I'll tell you I'll tell you off the record. especially. That losers, suckers, background information you know where? It was probably John Kelly or mattis that made those comments. And they just won't these she the new jared Kushner stuff not just seeing bill. Bob Woodward Bob Woodward today back after. Choosing choose selectively released portions of some of the recorded conversations that might have been very important about the public health crisis. He's back with more selected releases. The most dangerous people around the president are over competent idiot jd bright because that has a way sometimes getting past his defense mechanism because if you're overconfident then sometimes you know on a topic where he doesn't have other people around to kind of validate it, then he can sometime say, okay, let's go with that. So that's kind of. I think if you look at the evolution over time, we've gotten rid of a lot of the overconfident idiots and now he's got a lot more thoughtful people who kind of know their place and know what to do. Really damning stuff would have been great to know about months ago really hard to reconcile that methodology with the methodology that he used inside the Nixon administration when when you've got the store, you actually get out with the story Woodward here on the other had the story and chose to sit on it for eight nine months. Yeah. I, don't know what he thinks he's doing. I mean I I can understand the greed of at all but there are certain people I think where their legacy is supposed to supposedly matter more to them. And he always struck me as one of those people that enjoys the clout. You know he's he knows. He's Bob. Woodward. He gets, he gets About every president. You know whether or not they like it and the stories I've heard you know I always thought of him as more of someone on par with like Michael Isikoff, who is someone who gets to cover all these administrations ten to write a book. That's really kind of like critical 'cause they always talk about the Woodward Book and the Woodward Book would usually be kind of like probing an in depth but. In this case it's almost like he went in to write the sequel to fear. And fear is a good example of where the Woodward Book. Method of getting stuff writing a book. It's not really nothing in there's really per se a story. Maybe some of it would have helped them. All were investigation that that's maybe a fair criticism of fear. But. If you're talking about this book and then you went in and did the. Woodward Book Treatment. But was actually sitting on a very important story for the public that was a life indepth story in a way that. George Stephanopoulos. Nations through the Clinton administration in. Nineteen. ninety-two is never going to result in a body cast of hundred thousand dead right right Just. Love that. It's It's just. I'm at a loss for words frankly at the last couple of weeks of stories and I woke up to trump scandals this morning. There I can't even imagine at this point. What he may or may not have on record that he could release right now our choosing not to. And I don't even know if it matters at this point, it probably could still a little bit but voting is happening, but the covert thing is never not going to Piss me off. I bet you would word sitting on something involving rigging the election Our I just get that out on Monday. God. I gotTA. Be. Chris. I. It's IT'S GONNA happen regardless whether or not. Books already better he would. She's trying to do sales. We don't care about your book such guy. I did it episode. Shatti. He's really mad about not complete. Schipol booth that Bob Woodward did here and it's just that polite media. and. Even the you know reliable sources, the Brian stelter program that's supposed to hold the media to account like no one's actually you know people are very mad Bob Woodward instead of the much more pointed. Bob Woodward. Did something here that was like an actual life or death thing in in that trolley car problem he chose the five people and not the one people. One person whatever it's worth reminding. Hey Dude. You could have. This miles guy and Bob Woodward, you could have that's the summary. The Miles Taylor? That guy? Who knows how much stuff he was sitting on with regards to the actual structure of the Department of Homeland Security's child separation policy the child attention policy I mean he was probably privy to a lot of information here and so while he's been allowed to go on this. I've seen the light slash. I've liked to work again in the next decade Anthony. Yeah and he's got one joke. He's got exactly one joke. The the unit of time. We need to talk about a group that I've talked about in passing and admit. I what I was assessing the temporal overton window on this group I. Kind of thought that they were less big of a deal than it turns out. They are the Lincoln Project. They're a pretty big deal little bed in the democratic. Party. For those of you who are not familiar with the Lincoln project is by prominent never-trumpers but never trumpers in this case can be more precisely defined as people like Rick Wilson Steve Schmidt George Conway run says Lo Jennifer Horn read gallon. Mike did not really familiar with Mike Madrid. But they started off ripples. Probably the biggest that you've seen he's got a high level quitter presence. He's also a guy who's pretty good when it comes to doing late night television Steve Schmidt tries. I think he's less good at it on George. Conway's got a pretty high level twitter presence. They have during the course of this election really over the last two years here through the Muller on probe and going into this election built a brand that is far larger than leftist podcasts and I'll give you some figures on how much money left his podcast or making here in just a minute is kind of like big big fish versus bigger fish here and even groups like crooked media. They now boast a bigger following the GOP's main account on twitter and the main accounts of groups like crooked media on twitter, and they hit two million downloads in October on Apple. Oh Man Yeah that thing was going to bite us in the ASS. Wasn't it? Look. I. Would Look. This is how I feel. Like. Lincoln Project Okay. I would love for Republicans. To Go. To. Go back to being a party where we were debating tax policy. where it's not literally life-or-death. Depending on what you think about you know cash and how that affects life death that can be debated but you know how? Whether or not certain people deserve rights. Why is that part of the Republican Platform? These days of? Gays can be married and things like that. I am so tired of. That sort of issue I would not mind if there was a calmer. P. Peaceful Republican Party that just really hated taxes and. You know seems like the Libertarians were they just don't want anything in their business at least I at understand. that. I understand not wanting the government to control as much. It's not my beliefs. It's not how I think a government can be run especially in today's Day and age, and I don't think you can run government like a business either which is popular saying some of these people but. So there's part of me. That's like I would not mind if the Lincoln project inherited the earth sort of saying with. A lot of this but. I also know that these are the kind of people that are putting themselves in a position where they are gearing up to literally do that to inherit the earth if trump loses to be the place where some can go. when they're tired of Fox News Or. their favorite. Really far right person who is now sounding just kind of silly to them. For some reason, they need a calmer republican presence and that will be weaponized. And they're using money from Democrats. To do it because Democrats, have really bought in on the support of the Lincoln Project I get it. I read tweet some of the ideas, but my my saying has thought process has been this whole time. The enemy of my enemy will be my enemy once again. After the election if you if you guys. come for human rights. And despicable things like supporting some of these. Justices and all sorts of things we've seen them hint at. Even if they haven't completely said it out loud I'm sorry you're just I'm not going to. Pretend, like you're not dangerous and they have. been. Brilliant. And so they are brilliant. In how they are handling things and they may be able to do this whole Republican thing better. than the tea party tried qn on people tried or Trump even tried. So we need to take them very seriously and engage them as such. That was a long way of saying. Yeah. The Lincoln, project man how? The Lincoln Project. Is An interesting interesting relationship when when I look at them because I think on one hand. The Lincoln. Project. Addressed a very real deficit in the Democratic Party, which was their messaging sucks. They have been very bad messaging and those of us who are old enough to remember the last decade twenty through twenty twenty and that's going to be where a little bit of the generational divide between the kids who are in college now and people who are in our age cohort of the thirties year to feel a little bit of that difference there democratic messaging used to suck and for a long time Democrats and progressives have one of the democratic. Party to have a little bit more. Heft behind their messaging a little bit more spine a little bit more force behind their messaging something about a Charles Schumer, speech just doesn't get our liberal blood fired up and ready to go. Home. But that's always bothered me about credit messaging is that they won't say the quiet part out loud which is what the Republicans do. And I'm so tired of it like Lech If. If you if you're Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and you genuinely don't think that everyone should have a living wage and we need green new deal and everyone should have a universal health care. Then you need to say that out loud because I'm pretty sure you do believe that those things should happen but you're just scared to work for them and I'm so tired of your your fear because it's crushing us just just go for it. We Mitch McConnell constantly just saying everything I love it. He's going to do it might sound crazy to your point. Nancy Pelosi calls a dismissively the green dream and it's other one of two things right Her own shadow she believes in this thing, but is only timid and then people who are supporters of the Democratic Party or would be supporters of the Democratic Party look and see a leadership figure that is scared for own. And scared to say the thing that she really believes really exhibit her convictions, which is weakness or even worse she actually believes that. Other one is not a desirable outcome and I think what the Lincoln project has been pretty good at is putting a lot of force into the messaging a lot of the ads like so there is the part where they're stealing material from the Internet I mean it's the Internet especially when you WanNa talk about twitter people copy pasta on twitter all day. So it's like Fuck Jerry aren't they? Yeah. Bringing in fucked brings it up to a different level and so like when they do stuff like that I, think that's bullshit. fucked jerry just go watch a couple of the documentaries made about. Fuck. Yeah they are very smart Marketing Company there smart marketing. Company but there are Smart Marketing Company would come to stealing matere. Yes. They're very good criminals. So. When they do stuff like that, I can't applaud but at the same time. Putting up the billboard in New York City. Of. Jared Anda Vonda, and getting that to make national TV rounds. Gain that to go viral on twitter, what they're exhibiting is a real. For for advertising marketing and messaging and what I had really underestimated is how much this is connecting to the democratic electorate writ large and so I think there is something in in our progressive and even. If I'm in the progressive bubble over here, and there's like the bubble over here, there's something that all of us have been missing about the Lincoln projects, messaging and the energy that they're throwing down and I've been trying to really think about what it is. The Lincoln project is bringing a sue the airwaves into thoughts. Or to the energy of the party that has been absent from left media and the biggest thing I can come up with is the disposition and the disparity of the disposition between what was happening with the Muller probe from people like Lincoln project who are following it intimately and really Kinda staying in beat in lock with. Democratic voters were on that and we're allowed the democratic base was on that, and then conversely with the chop o trap houses, the Michael Tracy's on the dirtbag left sphere red scare part of the world with air pretending like it was an illusion which is like man, all these Democrats are so stupid. They don't. They don't even realize what's going on here. This is all Russia Gate it's all hoax and the Lincoln project. Was Finding a way to actually pace with the heartbeat whereas over here you've got something that's like an off beat rhythm. And that's I think a big part of it. I mean there's like there's there's real divide here right now if I had to choose one of the two I, probably choose the leftist folic. As Lincoln, projects little let the Lincoln Project. These guys are Iraq war salesman. I am old enough to of not lost sight on the fact that the Iraq war is bad and we talk about the badness of what trump donald trump has done this year and I've been measuring it in the context of the Iraq war. The conceit there's at the Iraq war is a deeply immoral act. A trump's doing sexy worse than that. But these people were selling that. Shit and roof bulletin you don't have to go back that far to see some pretty despicable comments. This guy I don't think. So changed man, this guy just has changed brands. ooh, that's a that's a good line there you you made yourself a little like that phrase there I think. It's interesting. I know a Lotta people especially. A very vocal people on the left who want to write off every Republican. And I think they usually don't have Republicans in their family than make it just so easy to do that. So Yeah I. You know the other part of it is is that in watching interviews this week on TV of different voters like I saw this one woman for Maine. You Begin to see the people who the Lincoln project might deeply appeal to like this woman, the ultimate manager I do a Maine accent but I've been to Maine, I have spoken to mainers who have a Maine accent and this woman had like almost main of made accents and she was also the most main of main dispositions which she's like, Oh, I don't really care about party I can't even do it. It's like turning into Minnesota. Don't really care about party I just vote for whoever I liked the most and I can't do it anymore at the Republican Party they've just lost their way among. Right and she's in her late fifties early sixties she's never listen to Chapo but the League project people have something to say you know if she was someone who tuned into a podcast. Lincoln projects connected with her I mean what you need to do is packaged negatively and I soft way. which is what I think. Lincoln project is doing. It's very it's. Interesting how they? especially, the really dire stuff like. They've been putting out ads this week about people dying from covid and having to say goodbye to their mom. know over the the phone. And they it's like a dramatization steph heard happened. But you're seeing like a one minute clip of these two daughters trying to talk to their mom over the phone and say goodbye to her it's so grim and morbid, but it's theatrical and gets you right in the gut like they. They know their demo and they're doing it very well, go on watch some of the Lincoln project stuff and contrasted to what the official up Democratic National Campaign Committee is doing and it is. As our punchy and the Lincoln project is giving them a messaging heft that the Democrats have not had it strong. Think there's a fear I think they are completely is like in fear of any sort of negative messaging. And I get why sort of but I also just think you could instead of being negative, you could be fierce if you don't want to be you know like tell trump ran in twenty. Though country is going to shit at another and you obviously don't want to be another Obama I. Guess because it seems a little too naive at this. You can't go hope and change when people really feeling that they're feeling the world sucks. What we're GonNa do like you could just go super FDR on the problem you know. nothing to fear. But fear itself and a kick things s there isn't alternative to negatively in it's not necessarily positively it's just. Ring then action and results and. truth to power even when it's your own power. You know call yourself out on occasion. and. That's what I think. Lincoln project is really good at is is a lot of that is definitely speaking truth to power. They don't give a show. Part of the reason I think they've been able to make headway. One is that the Democratic Party leadership is naturally much closer to the Lincoln project guys and much more familiar with the Lincoln project guys, and if done cocktail circuit with the League project guys all the swampy swamp stuff. then. They would be with progressive podcasts I mean even the. Even the crooked media guys they are kind of on the outside looking in in comparison to rick wills interesting. No. Look at morning Joe who goes on Morning Joe more the crooked media guys or the Lincoln? Project? Guys. It Steve Schmidt it's rick. Wilson and they're on all the time. That is where democratic leadership is the even the crooked media guys are on the outside it's interesting. I think. People the puck is kind of different things I think crooked is is like we're going to be unabashedly. Liberal and Democratic and. Just not. Try to play the even if some of these people we used to work for. Facts, are facts, i. that's why I like them. Then there's like extremely far left people who are. So, far left. They don't realize. They're big. Box. Down at their hands and see the fared little just binary code hands and they're not actually humans. Show so To put a little. Finer points you have. No No. But like I, I'm in the crooked media camp where it's like you have the push, the Democratic Party camp where like the idea and really the kind of. The show is the job Ao. See Push Warren push the Democratic Party even Sanders Sanders course the Democratic Party type person. And then you have a reject the democratic. Party. Reject electoralism sort of branding of podcasts out there. People still there's not as many. Now, this time around I'm to their credit selling acceleration ISM but people who are selling acceleration in acceleration ISM in 2016 sixteen, you have that divide. And what I think the last episode when I was talking with Josh Johnson from the daily show unless episode we talked about. When you're changing systems like when we talk about like systemic problems and changing systems or how systems arise they arise in quiet ways and they arise and if you want to change a system or build a system you do so quietly versus loudly because loudly. With vision and a lot of cases, dominant systems get built up. In extreme quiet and usually under the guise of friendship. So in the case of the Lincoln project rather than rejecting the American flag and saying Oh Erica's not so great and the Democratic Party is not so great. And you know basically being like bitter medicine. Like some podcasts are the Lincoln project kind of went the other way around where they're like. A proud progressive tradition that even includes Republicans in Abraham Lincoln, and here's the American flag and we love America and trump's really bad and he is corrupt and like they're basically, yes anding reflecting back a lot of what the democratic electorate not the progressive base this is more right. This is broader than just the progressive democratic electorate generally believes the Lincoln project was way way way better at muring that back and the establishment Right. down. MSNBC, and who they were worn a book on their morning programs and other high profile shows was way more comfortable with that I. Mean do think about how much of a fixture Wilson was everything from Rachel? Maddow. Show to morning Joe, he got every single thing on MSNBC. So if you're watching that Democrats watch MSNBC. You're seeing the Lincoln project guys and you Kinda like them. Kind of say stuff. You like that recall Wilson, kind of funny yeah. I mean. I get it. I? It's hard I. think especially if you if you're someone like me who's in Texas, my entire life. So I've been surrounded by Republicans, my entire life and essentially thought I was Republican for a large portion of my life because that's what you are your default. Your default Republican in Texas. You just you kinda missed his calm conversations about like pam these fucking nuts, right. This is this is it's also keyed up and over dramatic and exhausting, and there's conspiracy theory groped thrown in now and people are tired and in lockdown where nothing's making sense and they don't have any money and all these people suck and you're just like you just. Oh man at least there's some people on the other side of that casino that it's bullshit to. You know there's a I hadn't even thought about that. There's a regionality thing here too. So the crooked guys and law that leftist podcast they all come from the coast. Largely, the New York and northeast area but maybe California too. I was born in the northeast but I have lived in the South West and the south for two thirds of my life at this point. There's just a very different speed at which we talk about things and think about things. I mean you know right down to guns pistols like the idea of having a pistol if you were out in rural Texas or you're out in rural Arizona or whatever people just have a gun. It's There's just a different way of thinking about some of the stuff that the conversations are different the word choices or difference. It's Y'all instead of US guys. Right down to simple stuff like that. This is why I've been so persistent in my support of the. Democratic Party investing in Texas specifically. because. I. Think it is not only the largest state that you could use electoral literally but I think that we are purplish enough especially nowadays where. If you invested here and actually made the like reached out to the politics more here. You would get a hell of a lot of independence and weak Republicans to back you because. We just need Some investment were always looked over this giant state and you've written us off because for Texas and you just don't want to. Okay cool. It's Kinda like how they've written off the entire south. If you keep writing off the entire south because of the civil war you're just you're you're. Really. Even further in, you have to start making investments in the places that you can't win because it will be worth it because the next generation. is they're they're literally turning eighteen as we speak and they're not hardcore Republican unless you leave them alone unless you abandon them. At. The only people that I know in that sort of age range range that have any sort of republican leanings. Are really disconnected political. Dudes you know they're in their twenties just want to work on their trucks. They don't have a huge investment in that. You can get people like that if you start. Having these conversations and even those guys you know they're not. Super, they don't hate people they. There's there's like wiggle room with some of these some of these people in terms of the really extreme stuff. I think having a campaign in Texas. Would help Democrats refined and expanded their national messaging you need to start. Let's Fly over states and things like that. Study Ann Richards Study Willie Nelson. There are democratic figures Jim hightower. There are democratic figures in the state that are case studies and you can figure out how message. I think we've. Kinda like the coastal elites thing. I'm thinking you know the south coast. Could be people forget about that to Houston off gotta you gotTa. Entire Gulf coast. We don't want to go down to Houston, but he's Entire Gulf coast you could invest in and I know that this look. I'm not here to say that civil war. Didn't go the way it should. Even, if you think that's what. We want what's happening. No I'm teasing. But you know I think there's still a lot I. See it every day on twitter I saw today of just someone completely spitting on the idea of Texas turning blue this election I'm like it's not about if he wins if Biden Winds Texas, it's about if you can lift up the entire state and get more Democrats in some of these offices by having his name at the top and you supporting him and you get the engagement up, you're GONNA have you might have a blue Texas House and that's to give. Make redistricting. In the next election huge like you're going to get three more districts. maybe we should have the house be blue for that because that'll be important. Yeah. Instead of like being straight lean red if it's a lean red battleground state that actually has down ballot implications, those votes are coming from somewhere. So for example, in my home district here, my representative is calling allred. He is a first term. Democratic congressman so that demographic needle move is enough to get Cohen allred into the House of Representatives displace a Republican. Member of the House and now collins up for reelection again, this time shout out to. Get Him. Yes I'm just GonNa talk about I. Think this is really it's simple to understand here I just want to finish this thought like why did this happen in Texas? So if you go back to the recession in two, thousand, eight, Obama takes office, the country starts to recover but one state is recovering faster than all the rest. Texas and this guy this governor Rick Perry. Kind of people like him that I had a little thing going here. Rick Perry was touting this thing called the Texas miracle and what was the Texas miracle the Texas miracle was that Texas had very low state income tax and very low corporate taxes and it was very attractive to businesses that were downsizing. Presume impre- The work at home era, and they were not trying to get rid of the office places. At this point, they're just trying to find a way to make a cheaper office and so what they're able to do is come out to Texas get a lot more real estate way lower taxes way lower income taxes and slowly but surely from the East Coast and the West Coast income, all these people. From California and New York in Virginia and Florida, and they move into Texas and guess what they don't just magically convert to being Republican when they moved to Texas would they bring in? Is All of their values and their sensibilities and they arrived at Texas? They're like Holy Shit I thought this is going to be like king of the hill, but it's like a thousand times worse. It's nowhere near as fun. We're all going to be like Hey Hill I. Wish. And then they decide that they want to vote and they do and then skip ahead here you arrive at the point where Texas is picking people like Ted Cruz on the Republican side. That's kind of a whole different thing about the Republicans need to drift rightward in primaries. But after picking Ted Cruz Bell rourke almost bumps the guy off in amid responsible for half of the good things that happened in Texas that election because of the down ballot support just having his aim at the top of the ticket had. He gets mocked. Republicans and the conservative media have put a lot of energy and by the way, some of those aforementioned podcasts have put a lot of energy into mocking work and I'm not sitting here and going to tell you that everything better. Does is way cool and like sometimes he's squares bill sometimes he's a little bit of a torp but his impact for the democratic. Party, and thus for the nation on by displacing a Republican stronghold down ballot is measurable. He has done meaningful stuff and frankly if the Democrats and put a little bit more air behind him. Post the Cruise Ron, they'd be in better field position. The. Like his sanding who and Castro like not actually putting more energy into that guy and more juice into that guy big. It's I think that's exactly what I'm talking about is. You see people who are major change bringers and a lot of flyover countries. Have Stacey Abrams who thankfully is making solid traction and has had the skepticism of Beto but he? There's always a sort of like looking down on him. I get it. He's got his antics, but the DUDE has produced results. You guys need to start thinking in these ways and Invest in some of these people that actually are helicase matic like Jamie Harrison. Very charming man I, wish that guy would. I know I had decided. I spent I spent so much energy. I never signed up more I never gave them a dime but. I had to put a tournament. Stop I can't help you I. Don't know. You know we don't know them ten bucks and I. Said Good Luck Man. This tend to stop this stop. The find these people who are actually garnering attention and start investing in those states. Even if you don't think you can win them now because you are pulling up the whole state Oh, my God, why is it such rocket science and why do you keep looking down on us just be this is my this is my joke about the southern thing is like You keep looking down all bunch of Hicks and I'm sorry. But half of people in Austin right now are there because Silicon Valley moved to? Austin. So we can't be too stupid Dallas is the fifth largest media market like if you want to understand Texas. Texas is a microcosm of America in a lot same thing that's happening with Carolina whose cities Yup. South Carolina's to big blue cities, lots of rural spaces and you to kind of tell those two things up. But like we have all of the hallmarks of a battleground state and I don't let Florida where you have big cities and then you have the rural parts up north or you had to kind of account for those people going out and voting. Texas and it I mean, what's more interesting is that this was the stronghold for the Republican strategy. This is the Republicans California and they have lost it and it's not like they have a chance. The Republicans have a chance of California anytime soon and. It's just what I, what I see with a lot of states like north. Carolina is this. Purple Tipping Point. We still don't know how it's going to go in this election, but you hear the same stories. Of North Carolina about how the demographics have shifted and that's what's making competitive Georgia you're gonna get up in the next ten years to flip. You're going to get North Carolina to not just flip but stay flipped you're going to get Texas in the next ten years if not this election which knock on wood, it's very bizarre. I don't think it's going to I mean I'm not a betting person so I'm not going to say but Ted Cruz is on the ballot in twenty twenty four and I feel like twenty. That point, it will strongly be a battleground interesting. And the the dog I hope the Democrats don't screw the Pooch and who they nominate against cruise this next time around because they needed to rockstar not beto I'm not. Only. Senate, I think. They need to nominate like who he and Castro and they need to build up the machine around that guy, and he needs to run against Ted. Cruz. And like. Because there's no way you can accuse who he had. Castro being like fake the same where they tried to do with Robert Francis Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You need to start picking. That's another thing is. You've got stars on the bench some of you guys need to go home. It's Like from Hamilton, you can go. Sit on under your own vine and fig tree at home and just chill it's time for you to chill and retire and. You need to start investing Julio Castro in the Jamie Harrison. Stacey. Abrams the people out of like Arizona new certain finding like the Mark Kelly's were. It's they're just very enigmatic characters start putting some invent. Marchelli, in Theresa. Greenfield. I don't know. I mean both of them are. Remarkably. Strong candidate. I've been really impressed by both. Of you it's terrific an ashtray taste. Good. Yeah, no Kelly Kelly's awesome. No, and also a very pick. I've really impressed by people who are wasting their energy on people who shouldn't be even in the House and Senate in the next race as start putting them on their teams giving them stops making them come up with crazy awesome plans like the bench is incredible if you want it to be. I can't wait to vote for her I don't know if it's GonNa be next selection or she's talking about running for Senate. Can't I'm going to be giving money no I'm going to be building her brand. I'm protective especially after what was done to Elizabeth Warren I am very active of my progressive female presidential candidates and Senate candidates and I will be even more of a bulldog going forward. Yeah. I think that's what I. Is what I'm trying to say at some point is that There are very few actual. Truly. Red. Red States. It's not as much as you think, there's places like Utah, which are very conservative but Montana. But Utah's also kind of gettable and kind of weird with now. Because of its Mormon base they are not people who like this fiery hatred that trump's spouse I mean that's why Mitt Romney is the way he is he dances on the line about supporting certain things and not supporting because there is a culture of like. What does it humbleness or or not being addicted other while you know the the ostentatious quality of Donald Trump is basically. Incomplete tension with the way Mormons personal conduct standards. Go Mormons, even though a lot of them are very wealthy on cases like they've been pretty good wealth creation, it's Considered to be pretty much. Taboo. Like kind of socially unacceptable, just awkward to be like I'm a hot dog like that's not a Mormon sensibility it's just not who are. that. Mormons are all about being humble and seven. So the energy that trump has been throwing off that's just been. So Contra to them. That's really only held at bay by like Republicans pushing fear buttons talking about T- talking about leftism socialism and godless Marxism taking over the Democratic Party and stuff like that. I mean, that's I get whether. They have to push. I understand the certain, the the religious values that pushed them into conservative politics in theory, and that's what I'm trying to get at more is that there's a lot of these places where. People are aren't like we see on twitter and Cuban on. Its, they don't. They barely keep up with politics and. I don't know if they're racist or homophobes or I don't but I'll tell you what like if the Democrats are has over a white person I'm not sending I'm going to sit here and make determinations about those things. It's not my job. Democrats recruited me A, love in. UTAH. She would probably win if she said I'm joined the Democratic Party. because. She could run as an independent and like maybe caucus the Democrats or something like that to angus king sort of Gimmick. But she could basically say I. I've not going to be with the Democrat. Party do my own thing here. But kind of tacitly be with them and say that she got rejected by trump and speak to those fears. You remember what trump said Mia love showed me no love and then she on. Yeah. So I mean just just changed the game changes the game. Get people like. that. We get so many Republicans elected. spitballing ideas. Ear. Expanding out the map especially in the House I, see no reason not to do it. You know I think it's actually kind of an obvious play and Utah. Montana. To your point there are a lot of big box block. He states especially further west on the map that we assume or read, and we assume because they look big on the map that they're big. But they're actually a lot are often not very heavy population and therefore a lot more easy to win because you're only flipping. Fifty thousand votes seventy thousand votes it seems like a big lift in it's not. Looking at you Dakota's Heidi heitkamp comes from the DAKOTAS. So. there. There are examples of these type of candidates that have appeal all over the country. I want to another topic though rule quickly pencil orbit they have a cope outbreak and right now it's like does my pets have A bill bar still some kind of questions in the air about him having Cova. The White House. said one, they're not going to try to contain the spread of covid nineteen across the country anymore markets love that they're having a real cool time with that right now. But they're also doing that inside of the White House they have basically said they're not going to be really trying to do any contact tracing or anything like that when it comes to the Cova nineteen outbreak that's happening in the White House and in the vice president's or Yeah Chris. That's not good. Yup. Each one of them has the potential to infect up to three people which will then. Emphatic talk people at a time so Once again, like I mentioned on the last time I was on your show, it's an exponential disease. so It doesn't affect. One to one affects. One two three. So your one-two-three to three turns into. I don't know what's the mathematics. Nine. And then twenty, seven and then Eighty one. Math maybe eventually don't make me go eighty-one. There's lots of digits stuff there. I. Could get up to four digits. And eventually you're responsible for fifty one thousand people. Nine. Yeah, nine nine. So. It's bad and trump's closing out the campaign here with a death tour across the country I show. Show going into Wisconsin of all places you know. Some people would said Wisconsin you're pretty much fucked and the covert outbreaks really bad there. So you might get another people might get. It was like fuck that I'm going to Wisconsin Gretchen Whitmer. She's the worst locker up. My God. Oh. Happened we need to talk about another thing to. Talk about all the things Chris No. Okay. So obviously, he continues to stoke the flames, Gretchen? WHITMER and I've talked about being worried about political violence and I continue to be really worried about political violence I trump is encouraging it. These right wing militia groups are planning for life after trump this is real. These people have guns they trained with these guns they fetish is using these guns and they think about these guns. And, it's the difference. Between it it's one thing to be a gun owner in a rural part of the woods like or like a rural part of the country where you might need to have a pistol the scare off a bear you know whatever you might go hunting if you're up in Alaska, these people in Michigan. Yeah. They do some hunting, but they also just do some shooting and that as. A very different mindset those type of people who buy guns with the explicit mindset of one day maybe having used on person and that is different than someone who's buying hunting when it earnestly may never occurred to the person who buys the hunting rifle on a series level that one day you're GonNa pointed at you beat because like you bought the seat to go hunting book like What this rifle was four. So yeah. It's a very different mindset and trump has really read that up and then to add fuel to the fire at another rally, he was joking about people shooting Joe Biden three weeks after he's elected, which is weird self-defeating, even worse and much more encouraging people to. Use Political violence against, the Democrats I will never understand this man I will never understand how he got elected or how he's been a president for four years and not put. Behind bars or in a small wooden box where he can't hurt anyone. It's staggering to me. We've seen a assassination we've seen two assassination attempts. In the past ten years on. We had Mark Kelly is running the hallmark of Gabby giffords Gifford and then was scalise. Yes Steve Squeezed, and that was the congressional ballpark shooting where that person. was a Bernie Sanders supporter but was there to just shoot everyone he possibly could and. If I. Put it this way if Bernie Sanders supporter could get to that point. Imagine we're a disgruntled one term this screwed over overboard Danny type of person could who's actually got a lot more training with automatic weapons and look the only reason we haven't had more mass shootings. This share is because we have nowhere to go. It's been so peaceful in that sort of regard we've seen like. We've only seen a few. To you also the only time there is a place to go is when there's protests like police brutality protests, which naturally draw out right wingers to come out there and play hero, and you know be a Rittenhouse and then exactly rittenhouse shows up and gets to shoot a couple people and then gets like a million dollars on his. Go Fund me or Patriot and worse. Whatever he's got now, all sides of Ben There though I'm glad you brought that up because. You had the militia groups show up in. Michigan. State House protesting the cope mass bands back in March because it was all a giant hoax how's that working out for you guys but then you have written house doing what he did getting media treatment where he was not roundly rejected by right wing media and even like the more civil right wing media, they're finding ways to go. It was kind of a defense thing you see. And then also they create a gofundme me for the guy and they reward him with cash and more importantly, they reward him with cash they send a message to everyone else that were rewarding with cash, and if you do this, we got back go and do it. There's an army of us out here and it's not illegal for us to fund your legal defense. So in a way, they've found a loophole for hiring hitmen they are picking up where Timothy McVeigh liftoff. Yes. I, brought up how the Oklahoma City bombing should be much more of an inflection point in the way that we discuss twenty twenty politics in it is whereas we're still so much in the shadow of nine eleven. exactly that whole story if you are not a if you're a young a youth, one of the youths go. Maybe, go listen to the last podcast on the left coverage of Oklahoma City. It'll. It'll at least entertain union get a good history of it at the same time because it'll. It'll put you in the mindset of where we're at now. That the only reason that that militia presence died down in the nineties, you know the Ruby Ridge stuff and the Waco things are really ramping them up and making them get to like we're GONNA make these little cities and communities where it's you know white power everywhere The only reason that died down is because the shame that Timothy McVeigh brought onto those movements when he blew up that building, not just pulled that building but murdered the children in that building. That's where they lost any sort of it hurt their and it didn't recover until Obama. Yeah. It didn't recover until Obama and now it's picking up steam again. The one, two punch of Obama, and then trump who spent his entire he spent his entire. Tenure, prior to running for president, running against Obama and really fueling the flames of that and bringing up the where's the birth certificate stuff and all the stuff that is absolute red meat for these types of groups, and then throughout the course of his administration, I mean everything to equivocating on the proud boy stand back and stand by. Trump has really primed the pump for this and there is a tendency to use the term lone wolf and describe these actors as Lone Wolves and I think it's really important that much. In the way we understand police brutality to not be the actions of one bad officer, the Guy Crushing George Floyd. But instead the byproduct of a culture, a system that promotes this not always intentionally sometimes it's that there is a system that has been kind of built up or there are things that effectively nudge us in one direction or another nudge these types of personalities in one direction or another, but it's very much a system. That has read them up and you can look at what trump's done. The ways encourage people the way you seen the funny stuff and you're starting to see the makings of a system where a person gets radicalized goes. All right. There's a bad person in the Democratic Party and I can go and take them out whether it's Bernie, Sanders Elizabeth Warren Job Biden. It doesn't matter Gretchen Whitmer. And by the way in seeing this, go fund me thing they now see part of a system that suggests. Financial reward or financial support on the back end of this, and also the promise of friendship in this system has been erected. It's not an explicit system. There isn't one person who built it wasn't even built in coordination concert was one other system nonetheless, it's a lone wolves system. Right. And what happens is we forget fat. You know even people like supposed- Lone Wolf Timothy McVeigh. He not only had helped but we have. Extremely, convincing evidence that he had an entire network that. helped that situation in the FBI simply not Nichols for sure we'll Terry Nichols and there's also evidence that the F. B. I wanted a simple case to put him away and they decided not to go after some other people. So. Even these so called Lone Wolves. You know. There's always something there. I would be interested to know It's just. You know for forgetting in this, who is there's also the people who what's the guy, the bill. A group. Not blocks with the Beale They hate bureau of Land Management Bundy. Yes. The bundy. I taught. Yeah. Greatest hits you know. Known what you see and you see it systems the way the government responded to them with such kid gloves and how they it like completely tolerated the takeover of the bureau of land management in the wildlife shelter and everything like that that helped to create a system I. Don't think people are upset about that at the time liberals of course were rife. We upset about that. But I don't think the precision was put onto it as to what the real problem was there, which is that it's fine to be judicious and not try to do a law enforcement action that results in dead people. We're encouraging net. We clap when you do that however in this situation. If you at some point, take a stronger hand to it. It sends the message that in the future this is how you can expect this lar- to play out for you. If you've got enough weapons and the way Redo to have this play out this way versus let's say like anyone of the number of incidences across the country that we've seen involving. African. Americans is for you'd have really dope guns and take a position, and if you do that the government's like probably at least listen to you negotiate with you the the messaging here and the nudging, and the incentivizing is creating a very, very, very dark system quietly, but it's profound. It's the RITTENHOUSE system. and IT'S A. Complete double, standard, of course that. Beyond. The. Double Standards Part of the system. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We're GONNA Politely Arrest These these fine gentlemen who have taken over this building. But when we knock over that one guy, the unarmed guy in New York and he's a seventy five year old man now as permanent brain damage will probably never fully recover from the injuries he occurred from the NYPD. That's fun. It is what it is. Yep Yep Yep. Yep Yep and it's always God. We could go down and entire path with this because it's so irritating I guess I'm just one of those Democrats that's. Just snowflake enough that US being snowflakes pisses me off. Like I think that you can put so much power and ferocity behind your words and actions as a Democrat I genuinely think it's possible. I don't understand why some people it's not. It's a failure of imagination and. It's a real I run into a defeatist mentality from people sometimes and and what? I. Attributed to is. People will see me criticize Nancy Pelosi I think that's a you know kind of a common one or Chuck Schumer and their approach that I find to be weak ineffectual Feinstein. For example, let's just say I don't know some people think she's ineffectual. Just. Maybe but you have these people and I, think it is. Entirely possible for them to have done better and I think it is. But for a failure of imagination, for example, when it comes to amy, conybeare it that you go we'll Feinstein did about as good as you possibly could. That back to the way that she mishandled the the Christine Blasi Ford information that she got in California back with Cavanaugh this guy's now on the Supreme Court and by doing that allowed the Republicans to brand. This is all Michael Avenue and I have nothing to do with Blasi Ford just. That sort of ineffectual leadership you can criticize it and you can say that it's possible to do better and it's a failure imagination. Here's the difference with Republicans. They never fail to imagine they come up with creative reasons to do whatever the hell they want to do. At what they're doing right now in Pennsylvania looking out there trying to take Bush versus Gore, which was said by the Supreme Court to not be used as precedent going forward. They're now trying to retroactively turned into precedent if I suggested that to the Democrats or democratic listeners are more Democrats supporting listeners. told me a month ago. Oh, come on Chris. It's Kinda outlandish. That's silly. Don't they're going to do everything but but the Republicans don't have that little impulse and you know what they do they just do it and then it's done and then what you thought was impossible possible because it's happening. And lots of people can rant and Rave unbounded on twitter and we can melt as the snowflakes that we are, but it's done did and then you do so then you have to go do. So I've been thinking about like this court situation and. I mean I'm still fighting uphill with some people about the idea that you gotta do something about the Supreme Court that the six three thing. Your secret plan as those warning for the last couple of years in the show here is not surprising to any listeners but I will point it out because I was very worried about this. This is played out worse than I could have imagined but this is the thing that I thought was very real and why this election matter I've been thinking about how do you go ahead and fix the Supreme Court and I decided this week to actually go and as Ron Paul would suggest use the constitution and I went in refreshed myself on article three and Article Three Is pretty straight ahead when it's talking about what the Supreme Court is and it's pretty pretty bleak and pretty open basically says there's going to be a thing called the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court is going to have a person named the chief justice, which could be just as simple as understanding the way we have like a local court right you you've got a local court. You've got a judge only we wouldn't call that judge judge. In this case, we'd call him chief justice make sense it really could have been conceived in thought of as just a one judge system. Well when the first Congress convenes, they are drafting loss and doing important laws and the reason I want to mention the first congress here is the first congress is comprised of the drafters and signatories of the Constitution and so we're going to try to. Interpret and understand constitutional law here the first Congress and how they go about interpreting the constitution's extra probably pretty useful because like if it was a really massive deviation have expected someone in the first Congress to maybe bring that up at some point or you know that wouldn't affect the John APPs kicking around at this Congress Jay's vaccines in this congress. May were kind of good at that. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Like James Vazza would be like, Whoa, come on. That's not that's not right. So there's an entire musical about this. They come up with the Judiciary Act of seven, hundred, eighty nine. So that's being drafted. The constitutions ratified in seventeen eighty, seven, I congress convened. So you think about that first term. This is being worked out and they pass it in seventeen, eighty nine. That establishes that there's going to be a Supreme Court with multiple justices that you have to have four to have. More or less calls for six, but leaves open to Congress entirely how many number of justices you're gonNA put on there. Even the whole idea of expanding adding justices or removing justices strictly speaking all of its constitutional because the only thing that is required in the constitution is the presence of a Supreme Court and the presence of H chief justice. So what I want to start with here when we talk about constitutionality is that Congress Has the power to define what the Supreme Court is, and this also makes a little bit more sense if you want this back to checks and balances. So you got the system, go the president you've got Congress and you've got the judiciary but process of elimination here. Let's just start with the president the president. If you understand. COM model cannot make loss that's the whole point. The whole point is that Congress has the ability to make laws so congress. The president also can't make courts he can pick justices or she can pick justices they can establish. Nominations but even that all has to go where back to Congress. So then the other projects and balances, the judiciary judiciary can't be a check on itself. So if the president's out of the loop and the judiciary's necessarily out of the loop wers most the power, if not all the power lay. Right here back in Congress Congress gets to set the rules for the courts and has pretty broad authority to do that. and. So if they WANNA pass laws and and defined the courts they can and they should. So all this is just setup what am discussing is not only well within the realm of the politics of the possible it is as firmly routed in the constitution as anything Brett Cavanaugh in his fever dreams come up with as he's drinking Schlitz Malt liquor in the middle of the night in drafting up ways to steal the election. So what should happen with the Supreme Court? I think I. Slit small cavenaugh and also handmaiden Amy Cova Barrett probably need to not be on the court. So what needs to happen? You could impeach them. That is one way of doing this. There's also a providing that judges will serve on courts in times of good behavior good behavior being interpreted to also include like if a judge shoot somebody like they can't be on the court anymore you know they've got to stand trial judge judge if they're in prison. So. There's kind of a way of figuring out what they meant by good behavior here. That's one way of doing. If maybe we figured out where Bret Kavanagh's baseball tickets got paid off, maybe that could be salacious. That might be a reasonable breadth from the court here but we can even skip all that and just say you know the Congress can expensive. Why can't the Congress Taketh away and to add more precedent to this congress did take it away when when no KRISTA. It's probably one hundred years ago. Now did they do that? Chris Twenty Sixteen? Oh yeah plot twist. Like Congress is doing this and no one was like Oh, that's unconstitutional. Would have been interesting if Obama had challenged that actually would help their argument right now but I think the argument is strictly speaking no, it's completely constitutional. Congress has the ability to remove justices it's not just not seating another justice it. Wasn't the Scalia seat that's only in terms of real estate and stuff. In principle there were eight justice on the Supreme Court that point in the Congress chose elected to expand the court and they also in choosing to not replace the person seat chose to reduce the size of the Corp Congress has the ability to add and subtract, and so I think on number justices, we've generally established enormous probably better than even numbers of justices I think that's right. Seven is a good number it's still respects. The way. The balance of the court was about a decade ago, which was a little bit right of center however was seven justices and the ability to replace stuff. The court can change a little bit faster with the times and also now Brett cavenaugh and amy conybeare. Gone. You remove them. I also think other changes here. The confirmation process needs to be moved from the Senate, which is not representative at all and so like when Mitch McConnell and now the Democrats make this really weird argument that we need to let the people have a voice. If that was gonNA, you know mean anything at all one you would listen to the popular vote. So like two thousand sixteen who won the popular vote or you listen to the actual people's House. In Congress, which is the House of Representatives right now, you're listening to the patricians house and the Senate is never going to be representative of the demography of the country. It's only by accident right now it's like sort of close. Or we'll. Be. Pretty close but. This should be done by the House of. Representatives. So think it's another big change. I. Think the court system, another thing that was established and the judiciary act of seventeen, eighty nine is that. The court system can be defined by Congress. who were at the map is the map is doing for a change. It hasn't been changed in a long time and I think we need to add circuit courts and then we also need to end lifetime appointments and reduce it down to one twenty year term. So that is my big fix Emma history lesson and my lecture about. Let, people tell you that this is not constitutional. This is core packing and most importantly fixing the courts does not necessarily require adding more just as you could also remove them. There are lots of ways to I. Don't want to use the phrase skin the cat because I'm a friend of all all felines but there are lots of different ways to get on this horse. Good Job Chris. You have done a great book report and I, I love your summary of mice and men. No You made some really good points. Here's my question. So okay because I didn't do the research that you did and I will not because like I said, I'm just trying to get through. The day. Let alone the next week. For one thing you say remove. Amy Kohn conybeare and Brick Kevin how but does that mean? Who points at them and says those those two in particular we? They're gone we're phasing out the seats based on recent. See I on first off. So is that something where the Congress the Senate in particular would have to convene Congress passed a law and the courts can't protect it. All they can do is interpret constitutionality and article three section one. Word has nothing achieve? Justice. Yeah There is the Republicans. Don't have a great defense here. They'd be looking at subsequent congresses and what I'm making here is an originalist arguments. Cry I. Am now an originalist and that makes me have a certain happen and respectability that I've long commanded but have been denied. Okay. So you are proposing a law. That's what you're saying. Yes. I'm saying I'm sitting here wondering what the mechanism is. It's Just keep just. Ask Bill. So I'm just do I would totally support this bill. I think I on the other side of the spectrum where I think we should have like fifty nine judges. And we should have like a massive supreme court. Let's chop it up. Why do you think more judges would lead to more lucidity and clarity. I think it would move things faster because you can flip those. Those seats, quicker I think people are going to go in and out quicker, which is gonNA keep a like a law of averages kind of thing going on I like circuit court level. I. Don't know that I liked it at the Supreme Court. No, it's not sexy. It's not cool I. Like the avengers squad up there at the top or just the nine, just chilling with their robes on making the decisions but I do like the idea of there being some sort of representative of the population size and so the last time. It got to nine apparently when we were like thirty, two million. I don't know I could be making that fact up. But I think that's the stat that I saw was that we have thirty two million people. When they made it nine justices and if we made it representative of the population size or something like that, like we do the representatives and even the Senate in some ways It would be interesting that. You would have. That Would have a major diversity of opinion, and it would probably still come down to the margins but I don't think that that is a bad thing. If there more opinions I, I don't know. I'm not. I'm not saying it's a great idea I'm saying it's something I would be down for if someone. I think it's an interesting subject of discussion and debate I don't know that there's like a clear right answer. But I'm a big FAN OF A. Judge's thing that's fine with me to. Look I want to get the court de-politicized I want to have a mechanism that ensures that turnover is happening at a more steady rate that's with the time. So that's why you have the twenty year terms but then also the seven judges means you're actually moving the dynamics of the court along and bigger ways every time you turn over judges but you're also voiding another problem that I see which is that national justice is too big for any one person like you would never want to leave all the nations laws interpretations up to John Roberts or really anyone. Even Sonia Sotomayor I, like her I'm bagging soda or but it's it's bigger than any one person and I think in order to have legitimacy that Abroa- spectrum of people think is legitimate you need to have that diffused across a enough people so like it does actually require a group lift but I also worry that if you had the group get too big, then essentially the Republicans are GonNa, come in there and go like. Football, now, we need to have our football team and they're gonNA have their football team play football. That's kind of what I'm wondering about in terms of term limits I support term limits in theory, and then I always panic when I start seeing. The ramifications of some of them because then you are able to predict when that that justice is going to be forced to retire so. Does that not politicize that seat even more. Because if I know that in twenty, twenty four. You. Know Justice Roberts is forced to step down. Her Ray for me now but it once again puts it back I mean it. You should have end up with that problem regardless right like we're we're stuck in that problem these seats or political anyways. Yeah. There's always just a mystery that we trump has gotten three by the sheer. Mitch McConnell. there's nothing to say that he should have and just the fact that you know. We lost our BG and an Justice Kennedy decided to retire. Whatever that was about. So we can only speculate we can only speculate there. You don't want father's love their sons though that's a real trend of this election. Yeah. Fathers and sons the sins of the fathers is really the theme here isn't Sohn's. Okay. So you've told me how to remove them. What was your second point after how how you remove a justice was so you just pass a law. I mean you know know what was your second point besides expanding the court like how to expand the court you? Oh so then you'd move the confirmation process to the House of Representatives. So the representatives. What is in the constitution that stops that from happening now? Is there any warning? Me Thou actually I think it just says Congress oppose I don't even necessarily know how is it in the hands of the Senate right now Let me check I. Want said that's the judiciary. Article Three section one I can read this for the class here if everyone one, please do yeah three section one. Constitutional Law. The Judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court Indian such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time, Ordain and establish. So this opens it up to Congress. So literally could be the Senate or it could be the representatives strictures constitutional interpretation. So then then it would go back to the judiciary act of seventeen eighty nine where it was established that that'd be done by the Senate but like also remember that back in those days, the Senate was appointed everyone in the Senate was not voted on directly that they were all done by appointment so I if we want to say that people have a voice in this. The only way for the people to have that voice is for this to be in the House of Representatives or for it to your respect the popular vote, and then then the minority like if you wanted to go that route but. So anyway. So if there's reading article three section one, hi I'll read it with a little more fire, the judicial power of the United. States. She'll be bested in one Supreme Court and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to Time Ordain and establish the judges. Both of the supreme and inferior courts show hold their offices during good behavior and shall, at stated times receive for their services. A compensation would shall not be diminished during their continuance of office. That's it. That's the whole ballgame. And you say that the. The judiciary act of seventeen eighty nine mentions the senate. Yes, especially. Yeah and then since then Congress has been defining how many justices, how many circuit courts all the contours of the court system are determined by Congress? So you're talking about changing. I'm talking about changing. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of constitutionality of someone, told you any of this stuff unconstitutional it that's just simply bunk. Honestly I probably You could probably. Leave it up to Congress if both houses. Had to approve the person I honestly wouldn't mind that at all. I might make things more difficult but. At least you'd have. You'd literally have Congress I would be fine with that. No. Okay. Here's the thing I. Don't have a problem with it being hard to. Get a justice under the supreme, court. Of all the things that were bad about Merrick Garland. The fact that there are such roablocks obstruct someone in theory that conceptual theory for making onto the Supreme Court I actually don't have a problem with that. The the issue with Maher, Garland is. Why the Republicans are doing that and to what end they were doing that. Yeah, and if you think about it. There is no were a whole country that just loves her checks and balances that's been put into our heads since grade school where it's in the textbook and Highlighted Inc, you know but there is no check on the Senate being. the only people who can approve. This judge. No and you get a breakdown in the process. I mean, even to that point, you kind of goes against what the founders are thinking about with the interplay between the House and the Senate with the Senate being the cooling plate or whatever. Like whereas the house in that, we're where the people in that and I think that does matter when we're talking about the judges so I just wanted toss it out there i. think it's important because like clearly the Republicans have a lot of strategy in the coming years that's going to be driven through the court up to and including what they're trying to do right now with the election on the they're gonNA have a chance at all of winning this election, they're going to be doing it through the court system. I know when that's what scares me. because. I don't know why don't we have good enough nerds on our side when it comes to like. The fine. The fine. Details of the. I'm just saying there's people out there who who manipulate you know Mitch McConnell is very good at manipulating the rules of the Senate. Where's Chuck Schumer's guy to help him figure out what he can be doing as the my the minority ruler to gum up the works or and if he has that person, why isn't he listening to that person? I just never understood sitting back and doing nothing when your opponent does so much. It's creating a black hole. In. It's annoying it's completely asymmetric warfare i. mean you just don't want to do I. Don't know I don't know I'm not a constitutional law scholar surprise surprise here. The difference is, I, see a project that needs to be undertaken and I'm passionate about the project and I actually tried to like lay chain to advance the ball in that project. Bread Kavanagh is not a good jurist. Neither is Amy Conybeare and It's a huge stark contrast between John Roberts. WHO's a pretty smart Guy Sam. Alito who's an evil genius? Neal. Gorsuch who's actually a really really smart guy this by saying these people are smart people. It's not I agree with them. But like these are smart people with credible resumes who are like legitimate jurists you have to agree with everything they say I don't. But they have a level of credibility that Brett Cavanaugh an Emmy Coney Barrett simply do not. Break Cavanaugh was a guy. who was a partisan hack amy conybeare it got. A. Padded Stat of three years on a bench starting during the trump term just so they could warmer up enough to try to make this not look completely illegitimate which does. Have hasn't ever tried a case thing is incredible to me. She's got nothing. Jurist, she's a lightweight she. She's an absolute lightweight and I'm saying that compared to her peers on the court in her own party. Like Brett Cavanaugh and amy conybeare combined are not the person in terms of qualifications as Neal gorsuch. It's just it's a vast disparity. That's the other reason why I favor reducing the court down to seven. Expanding the court doesn't solve the fact or doesn't solve the problem that Brad Kavanagh in Amy Conybeare have no business being on this court neal gorsuch like his arrival was illegitimate but like he's actually a supreme court level human being. Brett cavenaugh and amy conybeare or not. Oh, man I still get. So nausea to thinking about cavenaugh. he's a, he's a bad guy. Is there anything else we should hit here before bouts anything else on your mind anything else? So many things on my mind like, why do you? Why do you have a have a whole rally in Nebraska in the middle of fields where people have walked three miles to their car and? Why is Why is Texas not requiring masks of the pulling places and then they are but they're not but they are but they're not, why is I don't know. What is happening to Martinsburg. Where he just and Jack from twitter like they just look completely crazy people in their. 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