15 Episode results for "Christopher Biggins"
I'm A Celeb: Week 2, Your Questions and Christopher Biggins
"Hello and welcome to help. Thanks sexton my boss says. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Usually this is the podcast. Where jordan and i help you navigate input challenges of modern life win on normal times as you should know by. Now i'm with you every day with a special edition of our podcast. Keeping you up to date with what's going on in the jordan his life. He's currently on the ninety. The reality show having to go through all sorts of trials and extreme conditions. All in the name of light entertainment. I'm william hansen etiquette coach by day. I'm more delicious. Fruit cake jordan's more venomous grass snake snake's venomous book guy with it. Well what a couple of weeks. It has been viper votes. Clifftops policemen happy places public votes. Jeff then there were those hideous eating trials where all sorts of fatty gelatinous rubbish had to be digested. Yes well down to the davison ben who did picky tease each friday. Now indeed speaking of which scuttling up to the microphone like an overeager cockroach with a questionable moustache. Producer ben guys. I'd like to see that cockroach. Yes comedy cockroach. Sounds like a cockroach so maybe I'm imagining a credit. One of those. So horrible plastic massages. You get in christmas crackers or maybe you don't go because you probably get some sort of like car in your christmas crackers or something but not an faberge hundred masons deluxe range coming up later in. Today's episode. I'm going to be challenging to the actor and former king of the jungle the winner of serous seven of i'm a celebrity christopher biggins i think the moment he threw up on the cliffs he was my widow. He's been absolutely charming. I think he's just handled it brilliantly. As bad people love he laughs at excels and where people come to me for advice. If they're going into the jungle and my advice always be yourself and he is see on the script you've written. Icg age which i feel some some points acronyms become more than that was. You could just misled like you said out loud eddie foot. Gmo age. Which i was bored helps me. Fill the time wasting for jordan. Come out to the also and we should just say if you are listening to this podcast. Contemporaneously have only got five more episodes of celebrity. The final is on friday coming up. Which means ben potentially depending on now. The voting has happened and we're voting to to keep our favorites in the camp. If jordan makes it to the final gene divas. You got five more episodes of this. If jordan comes out before. I get an early night. It's win win win really. I'm i'm fairly relaxed about about everything. Well i had a good old lion yesterday. So i'm feeling refreshed and ready to go for the final five days and looking back. It's been two weeks now jordan on our television screens. He's been in a car. So i don i which is more of a challenge watching it for two weeks or being in the castle but yeah i guess it's time for a bit of reflection. How'd you think jordan has changed since he got into the castle because well it seems long ago now but when we first saw him on that cliff was he was in a very different place to where he is now literally. And metaphorically yes he. It was all downhill from there I or india naught it was actually uphill for jordan. Because he has he has really developed as a person. We love him obviously very much. But i think he has. I want to say he's matured. I thought about saying matured. But then i remembered jeff say pulling finger so maybe matured isn't the way isn't the word but i think he has sort of the way. He looks at obstacles or challenges in his life and what he has learned within in these first two weeks and he he may go no further. Who knows i think he will then when he has. You know a lesser challenge in life. Because i mean. I doubt very much. There are going to be many more opportunities in his life where he's locked in a box with snakes calling him although we have got to do in the spring. So we implant that yet. I think he will go well. I've done that actually. This is a because jordan said on the podcast before jordan sometimes when he's going through sort of difficult life career social decisions sometimes. I do the same with him. We'll we'll phone each other of talk it through jordan perhaps needs needs more talking through. Because he's he's a talker and his job. But i actually think probably. Although he'll i would hope he's still finds me for advice. I think actually he'll be a lot. More self assured and confident as he goes about every aspect of life. Yeah it is is a funny thing. Isn't it because. I think a lot of people and this is getting for the software now which is an we often. Don't get so serious on help us. that's my boss. But we have our moments. I'd say we'll we'll do a penis joke in a minute. Stay with us change. But i think a lot of people say. Oh they'll consider. Change is a bad thing of developing always change. But i think i completely disagree with that. As a as a as a thought process i think changing is what we can order to combat people and i think not only as jordan so of developed himself. I think just being in that environment he as this podcast proves for both of you for for everyone involved we get along with people that aren't always exact like us and i think jordan has once again been flung into a situation where he's with eleven other people probably most of whom are nothing like him on paper. They wouldn't normally go for pint with my our or i mean he'd be making. Tv victoria daba shit but actually big on a level with them and just having hopefully a nice time as well as being starving and being forced to or for awful trials He he'll have learned so much about himself. And i it does make me i often. I'm in the last few days of sort of talk about a preemptive criers when it's over which again is out. Sounds quite weird. But i'm thinking about the end and it's going to be emotional. Isn't it when when they saw sort of wraps up. I think that's the sleep deprivation joke. It'll it'll italy that for you. Yeah i i think he'll. It'll be very interesting if nothing else. It's a good chapter of the inevitable autobiography in kennel. Twenty years so is there. An autobiography called unbroken. Is that the name of oh. Is someone that aim of barack obama's new automobiles or or is that michelle obama's no she's becoming. Oh my god. Can you imagine becoming coming noth. I sweat well. I was gonna say broken jordan. Break them but maybe the Jones autobiography is going to be called. Happy place i mean come on oh yeah of course well in another world the second one might be broken when or happy place colon picky completely nonsense echo which makes sense now this time last week. What we did was chatted through a few of the questions. So i think there's an opportunity to onto some more. Some more of those. I put it out on inscribed the other day to go through chaos. I what do you think jordan. More say when he discovers. Ben has taken his place. Well jordan should we let them into a secret so when when we knew this was going to be happening a few weeks fort was announced when it was definitely confirmed he he was going. We you and me start as a plot what we were going to do. And we decided that we wouldn't tell jordan because we didn't concern him. He had enough on his plate. Worry about so we wouldn't. We wouldn't worry him once he's gone. We can do what we like basically but he did manage to emotionally blackmail us before he went to tell him what we were going to do. And so he he is aware but on. I ain't think he is aware off is and i say these words reluctantly. It's a sunday some unfailing. He wasn't aware of how good you would be in his shoes while compliment. I mean i'm. I struggled to skip back a bit. Because when it was are off to tell jordan. This offer news that i be switzerland. The microbes first time. Who was it down to. It was down to me one of those situations where there's this awkward thing that everyone knows needs to be said. There's a group you know they need to say something to someone in the room silent and you just know that everyone's looking at you wasting you'd say something and as you'll know if you listen to the podcast regularly. I don't say so difficult for me but no here we are. I mean i haven't taken his place. Let's make that very clear jordan. Very much be back on the mike fame monies back from the cost. So don't worry about that. it's been good fun. Hasn't it william. And i like to think that maybe jordan more laugh at least one in my jokes. Probably the bush one when he listens to these. Yes the the crew district james. We've had another question here from sarah. What has been jordan moment of the series so far. Well i think you may have different. Thoughts is is is the vine volt happy place chanting that he did not so much. Anything jordan is that that was his moment of the series so far because obviously those celebrities have no idea what is being broadcast mean. Look at the the show. Is that of ninety minutes. Maximum per night. I'm sure there's all sorts of comedy gold and things that have gone on that we haven't seen but the fact that he is he plays happy. Place has inspired in the news. The other day it's raised over twenty thousand pounds for Burnley f c t shirts that you can buy if you by the way. Jd was want to to buy them. There's a lincoln all bio on twitter or on instagram. Click on national. Tv you to the right page. The proceeds from it go to among others pedals hospice course. We interviewed bethann sammy a few days ago. I think when jordan comes out regardless of anything else that will be his proudest achievement. I think back to when we saw anson deck talking about that trial on instagram stories. Saying this is one of the best trials we have done. And i think we were both quite nervous about that because it was audio jordan but he got in volts and i can say stole the hearts of the nation. He has been on sky sports. He has had bernie players talking about. He's raised thousands and thousands of pounds of charity. Just because he was really scared and he got taken to a took himself to his happy place so when he discovers that he's going to i think as you as you've mentioned yourself i think before he is going to well up and i have cried himself in the most nice way as possible because what impact. He's had and i think that would be a highlight for most liberties that step foot in the car struggle. And he did it on the source. Second day or something like that. So yeah tough debate. So many other things come to mind. I mean scarf between the legs also but for the impact. It has to be happy place. Happy place to have more. I think third question just before we go to the break. Which celebrity in the car. So would you like as a guest on the podcast. When this all snow more from rob jordan guest yes a regular feature maybe once every month and we just yeah maybe on the bonus friday episodes he could take a come on. Yeah who would i like. I don't know probably roussy henshaw new. You're gonna say iraq know beverly. I think it's got to be. Beverly get get better leone. We've had. We've had her stepdaughter much as well. Have the woman sound. Book still has arrived. Actually that reminds me so as soon as the book. I'm just gonna have to take the day off. Work out probably forget to book. A guest again. Read kim on sits and then i cannot listeners that day key moments in beverly council life does that sound okay to been as long as you're happy i'm happy identifies true and talking happy. I know something that's going to make you. Happy me family despondent. It's another look into the archive from jordan's joke of the week. My boss exit shortlist name to dick especially 'cause they've come from and remember. Jean divas every day. You can vote as to who you would like to keep in the castle we would like you to for jordan. We would love you to vote for jordan at all. The information is on i. Two dot com search for. I'm a celebrity. And the information is there or it's on any celebrities social media as well. Remember you're voting to keep people in the castle. Not vote out so few like jordan. If you want jordan to stay vote for jordan. We'll be back after this today. Sponsor is brought to you by nature. 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Only so you need to book before. I december to make the most of them but the good news is that you'll have the flexibility to travel any time in twenty twenty one head to booking dot com forward slash blackfriday to book your next big adventure. Fishes an introduction to the podcast gets a flavor for your neighbor parent over the fence when things have got sense with the most outrageous tales of your next door fails. The time has come for you to listen to score next dole. My name's rich williams. I'm joan school next. Door is our brand new podcast. They got at hopefully a bit more than you love. Your neighbors says the new episode every wednesday sits for us wherever you listen to podcasts defined that will older fluffy tobacco neighbors. You might as well listen to the people that hate us. Our guest today is someone who is perhaps even more at home in a pair of high heels than our to jordan the actor former king of the jungle and renowned pantomime dame christopher biggins. Hello christopher we're doing very well thank you won't do you make all of our children. In the castle. I say the moment he threw up on the cliffs he was my widow iphone vulnerability of him. And i know what it's like that i initial thing i mean i was very lucky i was. I came in three days late. Into and i have to fly in. I didn't have to be jumped in. I didn't have to. I did not think. All i did was walk. It's act and i won't enjoy an is the alive challenge Which was very terrifying serapheim. Because i was behind a bush to go on. And i could hear this. American voice of a woman called janice dickinson to be the most hideous woman. I've ever been in my life and she She then proceeded to do that. She was charming but anyway she. We did the challenge and she didn't do one single thing. I did everything. And i want all the south side. This is interesting. Then i found out what a vile woman she was. So and of course we were down to the last two in the jungle and i was convinced she wanted. She was convicted. When it was announced that i'd shaved got up literally got up. Went to a car. Go to which the apple was very funny. You keep in touch on every day when you're in the jungle you're on the edge of y'all wooden stool oil log Anticipation the fact that antagonise say your victims but joan. Wait we out tonight. Joel is without doubt my winner from day. One i as i say for the throughout my widow not some. He'll be thrilled to hear that. He's been absolutely charming I i think he's just handled it brilliantly. He's bay people love. He loves it excels and where people come to me for advice. If they're going into the jungle and my advice always be yourself and he is. I of course i. I've never heard of it before this show. And i but i sincerely believe is being himself. He could not make that up. yeah he is. He is being as charming and lovely. Thanks for eleven years the listeners. Listen to this for three years. And i was at the whether you detected this with any of the other series christopher it sort of is a little bit in the hands of those registering interests to how much of your personality is. Put out there while editing is the key to this show and in fact you. You can't win or lose by the editing. I mean you look at someone like eight who i've met. Who's a charming young man and a very good set. But apparently he's just coming over his dallas ditch water. And i think he's not being given his chance. I mean i may be wrong. That she really is does ditch water and nobody wants to. He certainly not being given shops. And that was when he and At the east end the guy Chain ritchie shane. Richie had a moment about washing out. And they will wonderful look scary back since always that it was a knox ever gonna do the challenge. That hasn't other than that. And actually the chain has been such a positive of the tiny bit attention that has been in this series. But it hasn't it hasn't been very tense camp really sort of gone now. I think i think that's very unfortunate one of the things. I put it down to the council because i think the cost is too big to spread like finish. They will sleeping area. They've got a sitting area. They've got a washington. We never had any of that. I mean we did have a. We have to go down to the pool in wash so that that that was that. But you they're all over the place you there's not one place saint consequently no one's gone on top of each other and of course at the end of the day it's all very nice to everybody will take it all but it's not fun fun for the audience point of view they to see browns. They want to see you. Jillian mckee's saints and all that sorta thing go on. I mean it's hysterical. When that happens and you want someone to really hate if you possibly can. We're entering the the final week intention. Is this sort of the point where it all does as you get rid of a few personalities as well as this more tension could come. Yes i think. I think tension could stop build in a in a very big way. I mean it was evident with aj at the top business which has been that befall because shade obviously doesn't like to wash up and there's the state of those patents. He left stand disgusting. You put that his law maxi the queen which navy in it would not. You wouldn't put it in front of a trump and he didn't like being pulled up on entity there. He did not. I mean he's he's clever shane. He's not putting the business so he's very funny. I mean he's very funny deed. But i mean i think it's the council is being great but i hope they go back there. I mean if i was going to the jungle this year i would have been very disappointed to go into the castle. I must say because speech freezing in that. Yeah i think that's why they give them wolves because otherwise they don't get pneumonia. That's been great. Tv a distant for death. Now i you. When you were that in the jungle in australia you joined in your hammock by a rent when you were sleeping now as listeners will know i was petrified of rats. I had hypnotherapy before i watched this this series so i could just cope with watching jordan potentially do things with rents. How was rationed hammock. How did you we. You sched- well i tell you what 'cause we we Rich self. we had a chat. I to go breakfast. And we had to go to an underground room and we got down. We walked down into the underground room and the dole slammed behind us. And we were in that that was just too from six very tight hammocks and we looked around. That was a poll to in the cold and there was nothing else and out. Where we suddenly saw a rat arise we we screamed we jumped onto the the hammocks which was very precarious. And you'd full off immediately as we jumped onto them. We were aware they've letted two hundred. Rats oh my go into this area now. It was nighttime so they had a night camera office. Which was that was brilliant. Actually because we did manage to fall asleep at night but we decided if one got on top of us that would be we'd say So anyway time goes on. And i fall asleep and then i wake up and i'm sure that somebody instead i in the dark. I'm convinced it's my water bottle fact. It's iraq which. I really got my hands on. And the ranch's won't be around my crotch And then what i do. I cover a sheet with the rats of the rack now covered and and i lay back again. I sort of go back to sleep. And then the rat comes out from underneath the cover and a night touch it and ice cream and i threw it against the wool where we can confined of the cell. And that's where history was made is one of the funniest moments i think they've ever had and ice cream. Oh my god gated off me. Get off me and it was. It was perfect. Mean wasn't passing inside but it was a you okay with rents now has exposure therapy. You'll you'll find with the now. When i did one the jungle that year the following year i went back to documentary for it about the making of the series. And i met man who deals with all the animals all the critters and he has his own area of the of set the six months before had he breeds everything and And i think the cleverness of the including the rats is the fact that all clean that not. The cockroaches are dirty i mean. Can you imagine if something happened to one of the celebrities and we laugh about people dying have nothing is going to kill you in as the fault of which will kill you off all that. That's yeah okay. Well interesting nine nine they. They breed all that cockroaches and maggots and rents and very nice young man. You've just that nice to have a hobby. Did you also going back into the sleeping bear whether you're in a hammock. All it was part of a task or somewhere else did you mind being filmed sleeping. Because i think it's a bit voyeuristic for friday to be to be filming people sleeping. It's bit weird. Isn't it very interesting to say that the first night Read to see in the oakland underneath the sky underneath the stars. I did think to myself about what's going to crawl over me during the night and i did fall asleep and fat. I set the best. I've ever snapped by life every single night so much say that i think they might have been putting bro bite in the water because we had no. I mean there was thought one sexual fault. And i checked with olbermann. We never know caught with a you do a direction in the morning. It's all very solar say anal. But i didn't mean it was the lack of that exactly all about fold and but we didn't have any and it was it was fascinating. I remember one voting waking up with a stops because there was a sound guy literally two inches away from my face hooting you. Backfield's and my mic. That frightened me. Because i wasn't expecting but it was very funny. And of course. It's is one of the cleverest televisions because nobody backstage at new cameraman. Their sound guy out whatever producer nobody's And even that watches a covered over us. They didn't even know what time it is. I mean it's really at gay. Jordan has at the other the other day shaved off his beard his almost treatment bid on you pro or anti jordan's new. Look i love is new. Look i think it's i think it's great. I think he looks nice. And fresh. yes and You know. I think people with beers have very castle because they can look very odd tape and raffled But i think he's he looks fantastic now. I mean i really be peaks. I suspect he went to get it. Stopped growing it again. He's he looks wonderful. I think is about newly good. And i loved it when he was in the shower the other day and they would tweet each other's nipples. That was very the yes. Can you see can you see on. Produce abedin's yes. I can't i can't i. Yes now that should that should be shaved off good that yeah when we finish this interview please go go get rid of it thank you i i tell him that. Dieting but what is not believing. no no he he will. We'll make recalled this regardless on tape now with less than a week to go. Who is your prediction for. King or queen of the cost well. Jody has to be nice by fate. As i said my favorite. I think he will definitely with it because i think he's. He's proved himself to be the a really nice nomo guy and i think that's the public won't i also Love the coronation street woman. Seventy cannot beverley callard. who i think has been. She has had some of the funniest lines i mean. I really became a vegan vegan of by favorite like so much of the country as a yes exactly regretting it already. She's she's a. Don't you call it. A husband shack something. Make a shank mega shag. That old man And i think she is described as a king or queen of the could be of those. I think the other a very good to us. But i think it's ready cleaned somehow. Who's going to win this year already. Well we shall see fingers crossed. I'm i'm very word we might as well be jinxing it over no dirt. Say that i'm sure will be fine. Obviously jordan can't hear us but let's pretend he can. Can you share a good luck. Message for jordan jordan. I think you've been absolutely wonderful in the jungle. Two thousand twenty two thousand and twenty is going to go down as one of the anus ramblas. We is is seen and you have given us all light at a freshness to this year. You've made it very special and we all love you for that. You thank you for being yourself. Thank you for going back and thank you for winning. Which i hope you will do in a week's time he's made all of our amos's let's christopher thank you so much indeed. It's a pleasure. I very great own. Tomorrow's episode where we trashing jordan's friend and see bbc presented. Joe tosca domas too much. There's another episode with you tomorrow until then by hello there. This message is coming to you from the history. Extra podcast from bbc history magazine a collection of fascinating conversations with leading historians. Giving you the low down on these big characters hidden stories and greatest adventures speaking of great adventures. This week. The history extra podcast is brought to you by booking dot com. Whether you're looking for a culture filled city break a local away or a flung adventure you can save at least thirty percent with booking dot com black friday deals these deals for a limited time. Only so you need to book before. I december to make the most of them. But the good news is they go. Have the flexibility to travel any time in twenty twenty one head to booking dot com forward slash blackfriday to book your next big adventure.
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He's like lynn movies. Lomborg beige shoes. Base comes on those cokes. Frozen stuff we send classroom. Sorry benjamin marion hello and welcome to our. We can't release. This is our bonus. Podcast episode where we see how much extra content we can squeeze into your week random. Things have been sending extra bits from our week and how our vice went down with you. Our wonderful davis you looking very well. Sorry about no. That's not what i meant. I heard you. I'm gonna clean week after this weekend. I'm gonna properly. I have been on it. Do you know when we run. I'm very much the most the thing. I'm most looking forward to about anxious. Dates other than obviously being back in men's store used to live and where we met is going to see. Helen can remember. Helen his ellen helen helen cleaner out helena. Whatever i called her. She's my colonic irrigation. Oh yes you only go to. You mentioned the shit taken out of me. And helen's helen's achieved with my name on it. yeah. I forgot about that way. That'll that'll that'll be clean. Then you'll be lucky. Well honestly outright eight team member. I moved down to london not so it was a heat wave. England got to the semifinals. And i of the world cup and i was eating burgers and chips and it was out on the bear every night. And after the end of that so my picture myself in a fall or you've put some weight. And i promised myself i would never do that again. I've never indulged like that. Never go mad literally on the same things as out outplayed in the. There's a coronation. Maybe should stop supporting at a piece of broccoli for free event. Getting cleaning alfie. Week next week okay. Have you listened to my episode on show. Intel with christopher begins yet. I haven't but i will give listen. Yes christopher now shape is friends and he invited me on his new podcast. I his first episode. Guess who has first guest was hey gayle plant off of curry. How'd you follow gail. Platt's william hanson. Oh really so. He's struggling to get people. Yes no we had a great fun. I listened to yeah no. it's good. Well as he is. What i would say is a hoot. He's who'd and she has a legend word. I don't use ever really put now. He's he's very generous man. And we've gone for close show biz voting. My brother wants going. Hello james. I was walking back from somewhere. Said you'll never guess what i'm going to do. Now he said what i said. I'm going for late lunch with christopher begins. James said was possibly the campus thing. But yes we've had we've had great fun during the podcast called again on your show and tell show and tell with christopher biggins yes. What's the premise of it. So i was asked. I said you want to come on webcam and show a few things. Christopher biggins and overseer said yes and i it's where you go through objects in your house and let for example. There's a bottle of gin here but if this was a special bottle of gin i would go this bottle. Djinn was given to me by my uncle. Fred and this is what it means and we just use everyday items that we have in the house talk about what they mean to us in store is so i've done things like what i do know. I didn't do bonnet nearly nearly made it would have been a good way to plug our podcast. Yeah we have to list yeah. Don't tell us all you'll have to listen to see what i brought up. It's good fun just to show him around your house. No no because it's ones. I'd hate series one was. Don't lie that people see else's house the house. You're searching for new accommodations. That right. yeah yeah. We don't bring out now stress next week. Okay okay moving in on your bed city. Don't have a betsy. My of agreed upon moving city a little feeling the rough edge of my tongue. Laser some responses. This is from amy. Hello i absolutely love. The podcast. And i'm getting in touch regarding the waiter topic from the first episode. Well i mean thank god that went and your glass union attempts to give some to me should drink what i swore. Probably bob here. Don't nothing's been in your mouth. Hello this is from amy. I absolutely loved the podcast. And i'm getting in touch regarding the waste atomic from the first episode of series eight. I work in a restaurant a five star hotel and i personally think. It's nice to be acknowledged every time we go over to the table. I agree whether that's clear something. Auto the water central. I never expect anyone to stop the conversation but even just a smile to know that. We're acknowledged is nice. Well thank you amy. I think i did say get out if you were whiter. Yeah i can't clear completely you come cloak on not bless you think she was saying thank you. Okay thank you thank you thank you. It's not that one you're gonna come. I would say there is a sliding scale of things and sincerity. Thank you is are your most sincere and you should really say that thanks Do you really mean it tall cheers. What's the point. But then there's the over scale where i'm like. Thank you thank you so much really appreciate it thank you thank you just wants is fine. If you're sorry you should any really say sorry wants so sorry. Sorry sorry sorry. I don't next one. Please thank you amy. This next one is from lizzy. I actually lulled when williams said that. The bristol venue had changed. Swx as being a somerset girl. Bristol is our goto for the big town or you actually sold. When william said the bristol venue change to swx as being a somerset. Girl brazil's our goto for the big o. J. was weird. Is that when you trying to bristol ex. And you've done somerset and when you're trying to somerset accident you've just done a bristol to our avoid. Never go that's better or you've actually been to esther buick some to akiko. I've actually been to. Swx on two occasions to watch what can only be described as bristol's apostrophe version of the dream boy and they were dream boyzone telling you who's on like a blood your she was the second was. The second visit was on thirtieth birthday which led to me being picked up to go on stage and participate. What roy moore facie. Dido bloody loved it. This ended in me waking up the next morning with an imprint of the dancers belt. Still on my back. I have a picture she said belt anyway. My question is will jordan william and pb put on a performance like this on their night maybe with the dressing gown belt instead and if so how do i change my ticket well. All sales are final. There's so we'll say yeah so you get the couple of tricks for the jets cowbells. Yep yeah that's before the show starts. Yeah we don't like to give. We don't give too much way but there might be a couple of jessen gala belts in. They're going to be plumb the toll yet. I'm joking people share. And all the big sort of cabaret stalls have those of cloth they come through with the goals of plastic tape coming down but like when we did moss club in london william. It's only twenty acquitted ticket. She just like quit. But but you know why. We never make any money on our toes. 'cause bloody william pig ida thinks she's in jump. You know those cloth with the gold sort of plastic your silvis. I wondered if we could have one of those may but all with dressing gown belts are. That'd be afraid and we can just let walk through with that. We do that for the backcloth. Yeah that'd be fun god. Well thanks lizzie. No worries see them. We love cheers. Roy chose joy this letter. It's from katie with a c. Dear william jordan and ben you answered my email back in november two thousand nineteen. I was asking if thirty was too late to make big changes to your life. I always wanted to work in radio but ended up taking the safe job options. Although i wouldn't be putting jordan ounce of part-time work anytime soon. Well katie the state g. latter. Your advice really helped a lot has changed in the past eighteen months. it doesn't start off. Well i was in a horrible place. Mentally i pushed friends away kept to myself and was off sick from work and even ended up in hospital. But i didn't want my twenties to be like my third. Just so i started again. I opened up to my family about my past. I got a new job that i love not in radio but i do get a chance. Lots of people. I moved back home to kill mike. I've gotten back in touch with friends. I bought a house. And i'm in a happy relationship. I even went to a live show by myself in january twenty twenty. It was your show and you were both lovely in person. So turning thirty wasn't scary in fact it's been great for me and who knows maybe one day i'll make it onto radio. I guess i'm emailing to say. Thank you for your advice and continuing to do your show. I listened to it constantly and have my tickets book to see you in goals and to anyone out there struggling as cheesy. It sounds it does get better. You can get through things and don't be afraid of change katie. What a lovely we keep saying they have selves. But i don't know how we can follow it up. No by just say thank you thank you. What a lovely letter. Yes and thank you to everybody who writes in and katie as well. It's lovely to have a bit of an update whether it's doesn't have to be hilarious but it's just nice to to know. Hopefully the our advice or our advice plus all your other support. Networks have been have helped. That's what this is all about this bonus episodes if you've got questions story. There isn't a dilemma problem. The main episode. 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48. The Two of Us SHORTS with Mark 'Mr T' Thompson
"You rebels radio presents the two of US shorts with neo me Watterson. Albert Frederick. High! This is naming lettuce welcome to the US Charts Myself Alba Frederick talking to people across the globe about that pandemic. And its relationship to creativity, mental health and emotional wellbeing. And as always I'd like to give a trigger warning. These adult shows of the themes will be complex and interesting, and maybe it sometimes be triggering. If you're over ten the disposition today, put this on pause and put market for later saw otherwise die right. I'm delighted to have my twin. Not A. Blood relative, but birthday relative mark misty trump's Nola. He's much much younger than I am. Not much much younger in every day we get closer in age. Feels like I I think that's because I'm probably getting younger a spirit I put. I was just going for relative age as proportion of your radio everyday. I get closer to your age. Maths amount. You are a tendency to do that. Throw messes lines even into poetry I I like to get the login to any crevice. It will fit into. An squeeze it out and spread it around a bit and see if I could rearrange and sometimes cool that poetry. I was thinking of yeah. It is partially, but I'm also thinking because the appleton you. Do. You're a teacher. So I've already learned something. We've been chatting a few minutes and any good teacher is always looking for the learning opportunity. Or is my nieces. Nephews would suggest uncle out gets a bit boring sometimes, but you know it's. It's a little masters interpretation. Deem enjoy teaching. I love opening minds. I think it's one of the most exciting things you can do. my my my suv, of of a number of catchphrase, but I'm an toes of my creative and professional life. took. The same chunk from Marxist thesis on feel about that the the breakfast cane I'm at where he said the philosophy The point however is to change. It mocks that he wants to do that with this. I say. Poets might six interpret the world. I won't my woods to change it. That's the whole point and education is the easiest mice. Directs and clearest sign that you changed the world. If you take a mind that doesn't have. Some information pull some information in an even better if you can help that person to go out and source more information. You'll you know you've changed the building? It's the the immediate feedback from that is one of the biggest buzzes in life. I consider a link in obviously you link between Nev- already set it between teach and poetry. Poetry is very engaging and. Are you perform it lot a now. At the moment you've been filming yourself and sharing your poems online, and so I'm thinking about their the link, not just between poetry and not teaching. But your activism and your cells, the political heart that beats in you. So when I suppose. What's the difference with the word that you were doing before the pandemic in the work you're doing now. Is it very different has evolved or is it? Are you doing more of the same bigger? Well! I'm really fortunate position that the pandemic give me a load of time I'm and yes, it has given me stress, but in comparison to a lot of people that have come into contact with a giving the relatively less stress, I'm giving lots of other people And it's been off a creative canceled every time. I start to get bit relaxed. Something happens A Tory opens their mouth Let's poison drew below. A friend or a friend of a friend's. Get sick or get better, the the. Other site. What's happening for me? Is the things that I would normally respond to it just over ramped up and so my writing is responding to that I I tend to to write from. A point of having a message to share or a passion that I just can't. Get Out in any other direction I'm poetry's sometimes the absolute best way to explain something that has a to me for some time. My best poems like the coach from Chameleon piece. I having spent years explaining to people who I am what I think of myself in terms of my ethnic. and. Cultural Heritage. I managed. That up in three minutes. On which would take me? I was Kinda Impact that poem from for an audience. But yet so because my. There's a heightened. Is there a heightened passions? At the moment? There are important issues there are messages that really need to be communicated, and that just keeps spurring me to do more and more and more so yes I think. I'm larger than life the moment because I'm responding to larger than life situations. It's making me. I'm produce large amounts of work. And I would hope the intensities also actually impacting on the quality I think. when I really care about things I get them right. as well as as as as well as wanting to get get them written on a want to get them right as A. Lovely law in the. You're not really a writer. If guessing it right is more important than getting written by actually great writing is with the to fuse where you're desperate to get it right, and you know you have to get written, and you have to get it written now because this message isn't going to be pertinent in two weeks time so. I'm really grateful to the to the white technologies evolve because now I'm recruiting things on my IPAD. With telly prompt. you know. So I can I can write things and recalled them at the you know within within the evening away. The to learn them to perform would have taken me a week or two, so yeah, the there's definitely some changes in the way that I work up the things that I'm responding to which means that the work is very different. Thinking about the teddy prompt and the difference between learning ones were. Being an actress well on repeating. Ones welcome taking ownership that way, and like you say reading from a teleprompter rescreen has altered. Your relationship with your work doesn't embodied in the same way. No in the same way, but partly that feels less important because the fact is, it's going to be coming out of a gloss screen at the other end, so the the level of in which your your body can interact for Coach. Will comedian at online Mike All slam events, and they can only see a certain amount of my buddy. Go to really wide angle, but the realities than you vocally so unless you've got a a microphone, the attaches to you. You end up being quite limited in what you can do. I don't actually have a good enough microphone. On a Phone or anything so I end everything ends up being convinced and reduced anyway, so is less embodied, however, nobody before they would have said that the process of committing a poem to memory really impacts on the nature of the poem I tend to think that the the bits of a halt to learn if into to to to chip away at the the unnecessary in the Poorly constructed in that process of learning, so I would have normally set. The would be losing something by by these prices, but so far I'm really pleased with the with what's actually come out so I guess I guess. After the event I'll have more opportunities to to to to learn some of these things in the right. The rising I just couldn't possibly learn and produce the same rate that I am at the moment so it. It's working for the situation of farmers lovie. So I'm thinking conventional students come out from like this sense of urgency, which I don't think is unusual, but also our passions, and know obviously our got of inside knowledge, because passions for sunsets and take. The sunsets, but also your other passion for football. I do like it when the sky is red. Eye and and the. Rates are Russo a that that they have a special place in my heart, I've taken some great sunset pictures outside of the stadium. Actually but I and inside. In fact, some people do look at Yuba strange when you're more interested in getting a pretty angle on the sunset. At the same time, this is a football match guy on, but Yeah, no I. I have lots of passions. football is one sunset so another. Face, and actually getting up and performing somebody else's work is kind of cool to Basa I think the political is just totally overwhelming at the moment because. Because the The phrase, the personal is political. The moment it really it really dowse about everything that is going on every. Every evening, we have another set of issues to respond to. And sometimes I to trying to keep myself separate because I do. I do feel as though we're being manipulated by by choosing to put into the meteoroid Initially, the most obvious example was the the some of the figures that they were choosing to share as opposed to other figures that would they already had which they were new more accurate, but they were focusing on these less accurate figures which will lower. The level of distrust which has been created A. I think it makes. It makes truth. And genuinely-held passion separate those out because some of. Some about say with author conviction with with with complete fashion, but I don't know for certain because I can't be everywhere an account the figures in because there's trust, so some of what I'm saying is just absolute conviction, but some of it is the best version of truth is available with the research tools that we have which in the age of of of Internet in Google. Knows what else if you're if you're good filtering suzy's you can come to. What could be reasonably considered to be fairly well informed position. The harder process than it should be because the the process of filtering because there are so many agendas being pushed by seventy different. Sides Organizations and Meteorite. Let's but yes. The Truth and the passion fused with ideally the best words in the best order to quote some data from long ago. I said I. It's because I'm Herron. Do Not your passion light. You know you have lots of passions and acting and faster and music. Sunsets, and I didn't mean to be sal, because that's like a beautiful thing, newlove arsenal, but they're very physically engaged things. Do you feel them? They're exciting and so they. That action has had to find a home elsewhere during this time and because of your. Political I suppose sensors unraveling sense of responsibility towards out those which lane comes in from your teaching. and the importance light you said being able to filter the information, even if it's conviction, and it might not be hard facts on a page is hard enough, and it's definitely. Oh, probably more authentic than the barracks, of Newsweek at which is very Salaam said so. I don't know if I'm. This is an observation or a question about. Do you think your action. Your passions of hats find a home elsewhere. Suppose Leslie I I'm forming because I'm thinking also about how even when you're doing these poems, which might be particularly. Jolie urgency about them. How do you keep your spirits up? There is a real job in in completing a piece of writing. A in having an idea. or in fact, sometimes having often idea, because quite often when I write a poem, it's not a fully formed idea it's it's sometimes it's a line. Sometimes, it's an idea, sometimes the concept. Sometimes IT'S A. It's a feeling. That I'm struggling to find the woods to embrace. But when you get to the point way you've taken whatever it was that you started with the little nugget and you developed out. On to something. That makes you feel like you can interact with the world on a different level. There's a real sense of joy just in having written it. And then the process of sharing that telling me mom, that's usually stop Tober, mom. Tell a wife depending on the nature for the poem, and who I think's going to be more in tune with it I'm still one of the two significant others in my life. And and you know the joy of the first time I get tilled them the new piece. Is is is another level on that and then when I can take that? To to a performance space. That's another level, but what I've realized recently. Become much more significant, obviously with the absence of those vices. Is the ability to record. A performance, which may not be the absolute perfect performance because you you getting getting out is more important than getting it right in that situation, you do need to get the message out of the right time and yet at the these kind of levels of of joy passion and yeah. I've got I've got space to to explore those levels because the distractions in there I mean another reason. It's been this time of year. I seem to be seasonally INSOMNIAC I don't seem to. In the dark in the dock periods of the winter. I tend to sleep relatively will. As as we start to get more and more light. I can sleep less and less than the moment. I'm probably sleeping. Between three and five hours, he's kind of normal and that gives me a lot of space a little time. When knows he's around? And there's not really any distractions, and I can just on Ryan, and sometimes I can get on right and recalled. and I can do that without you know I. Don't also is not cooling my attention to to the Internet to find out who they've lost to him gone. Watch the. Showing they no longer the. The team of of of two thousand four. You know I have time and space to develop these other these other things, and because they seem surgeon. Yeah, I suppose the energy have the energy as well one of the things that I've really noticed. Is during the football season. My singing voice is absolute you'll. Throughout the throughout season because every two weeks I go. I, shout my head of and and then for it takes about five or six days to recover sometimes also left three Games in eleven days. That will take about two weeks to recover from so my singing voice, and does oppose poetry voice, you know if I have such a thing I I do tend to use different voices I approached performance of my own writing a as I would think use different places for different things I try to make it as engaging as you said with different kinds of audiences, people who might not necessarily just response to woods I tried to find ways that. That will engage them whether that's different. Voices are a a dramatic range of pitch tone pace. A I approach it in a theatrical way. because that's that was my original trading. That's my original background but yes I I have more space spoke capacity of the moments and as long as the football season doesn't get restarted. I will continue to have even more and I haven't had to go to work and still been getting some pay so. I haven't had the option to go to work and up in getting some so I'm very very fortunate group. Who's been able to? Use this time in a really positive creative way. Do you have sort of a routine daily routine or do you just let it evolve? 'cause I'm watching Bangla Teacher. There's a lot of routine about that. So is it quite Does it. Give you a sense of freedom, not having the routine do let things evolve will do like no, you know routine works may that's how how my life works. Absolute. I. I. Am Not historically. I didn't use to be a morning person tool. I was a stay up 'til silly o'clock at night, doing things, person, and as an educator. It was a real grind I came into a cloth teaching I've been involved in featuring education and youth work since I was in my book, these from Teens and patient education from my for my. Early Twenties, so I've been in schools, no as a teacher, but I. Got My teaching qualification about thirty, and it was a real. Grinding of the gives to get into five days a week of getting to address before eight thirty mile. Ideal joke wouldn't stop before ten o'clock. And actually aren't be much happier if we did Ten till lights. To late or whatever you know, the I'll much later. Much later today. So I I like the fact that if uninspired moment eleven o'clock, I'm and I've got something on rising and I won't finish the writing. I want to record it, and then I be to something else entirely. I can do that and while star was on lockdown. Because I had suspected of COVID. Nineteen I'm quite early on in the literally. Two days into the proper down if we had a did, we have appropriate down and she I'm not sure, but when the U K still they were entering the proper lockdown I'm literally the the the the it was a Monday. They announced everybody should stay at home and it was the Tuesday that my symptoms started. And that man I was shot in one room away from my other half and I literally had. The whole I could do wanted within the the the hours of the day. The the clock I could do what I wanted. To impinge on anybody else I wasn't putting anybody else out. I'm I was even luckier in the sense. Food and drinks were brought to me during during daylight hours of I. Am you know but but yeah I was confined to that once base in order to protect my other half, and that kind of was Wri, start and kind kick-started means of the process of writing. Involved in a couple of interesting projects at that point. friend of mine could Isabel from an organization alarms and excursions approached me about a project called eighty poet around the world ninety poets where we're trying to send a chain of poems around the wolves are affiliates. Folk I'M A. Each probably supposed to be from a different country, and with we're kind of chasing this trial of poems around the world so up in been chasing those I'm trying to virtually travel with the poems wells that I get to meet the different people on the way And the couple of other bits and pieces. Of the first week I actually had film that I shot from home soon. That was that was interesting was the first. Thing, I'd actually put some US, I. was just before the world decided to transfer to but yes, I was a little bit ahead of the curve on that one and I went to while I was look for for twenty five days. I would literally every single opening of poetry event that I could find. I'm I was the Christopher begins we used to. I used to work for a company WHO Ticketmaster who also postponed Satan? Because, they basically exist by leaching off. And We used to ticket free tickets. Openings of things and we always used to joke. Crystal begins turn up to the opening of an envelope. Well I've been telling up to the opening of every poetry have been poetry's Christopher biggins. If it was online, I. It didn't matter what time it was into events in New Zealand I've been with NC Malaysia. I've. I've been chasing poets in in in Israel the US. if it was possible for me to be there I've been there know that was possible. Because it suddenly didn't I wasn't founded by the clock and so yes, I definitely felt freed up by process. been trying to make the most of that freedom. At Sounds Really Liberating just being able to go to these events never nearly. End of the show so I think. And then such. So I. Think it might be time for you to share. A piece of work. Lord Okay Have you? Pat. I'm going to go with this phone, which is a little bit a little bit older. I've done one I'm in the last couple of days, which is which I really like, but I really like this one, too, and it kind of. It kind of sums up the periods where we were actually on lockdown. And it was this was me. This is what will. The Star of look was like for me? It's cooled when the rolling stopped. When it seems your world, wilder stopped. It's hard to believe that for some. It is still spinning that some people are still gambling and winning, and so many more are more sinned than sitting. Clearly this is not the revolution. Many wanted to see, but if you're lucky, you can still with me. Because the still turning its forest are still burning happily more slowly than before and I am still yearning for the learning that might come to be. It's still not still. Because, we're still not still unsold while we may stay the. At home. Yes, even we restless will rest less easily than before. And what's more? Will also keep score of who did what to whom, and why, and where, and when these testing questions, which may not survive the neglect. They've seen without us. Come to be answered. Have no fear. We will stand tool recall until all who are fortunate enough to live long enough to be there. What happened here? I hope you with me. Hope you'll. All still with me. I. Hope you'll be with me. But sadly. So many one be. These woods will be dedicated to them and today a mini frontlines, both the hidden in the heralded those, but stepped up on those who just kept up with what they always did. To keep us going. What it seems the world had stopped. An astounding standing poem. Thank you. I think Iran fire amendment. Creatively am I think. For me. I think you'll voice. Is really important at the moment 'cause I need be I mean it sometime sounds like a cliche that in troubled times posts have to speak because it said so often. And sometimes as a sense of. It, being much more about others. It's not just like a personal. Personal Rand or a diatribe, it's about something about this idea I think of social responsibility and looking at what's actually happening from a much more of topographic viewpoint. That's why the voices so. Important and I'm really grateful. T sharing out, we've come to the end of the shop. Open I haven't even plugged by event or anything of useless, absolutely useless. So I should've been should've mentioned that. On part of a team of creating an event, cool poetry from the groceries grocery. We got first event on Sunday. Um, with David, Lee Morgan for UK Slam, champion, featuring and the next one. We've got a tiller. The stockbroker who is a slightly will figure if you if you've been on this poetry seemed for a while at the twenty fourth of May, but I mean we may not, you may already have missed those, but if you have, you may will be able to find the The facebook live recordings on facebook on the grassroots UK facebook group. Send me the link on my composite in the podcast nights. you see use to this podcast? Things are on broadcast, TV and radio. You, you miss your moment. It's gone now. I say everything's now archive with podcast anyway. Thank you so much mark. My dear twin out. That was absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. It's been. It's been a lovely happy birthday edition for for me to thank you. Hi thank you so much. Listen to the show the wonderful music you can have as by Geffen I Brian. If you like this show, please subscribe. There's plenty of emphasis lesson. 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Spotify buys another exclusive podcast for $60m
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'Champagne Taste On A Beer Budget': Christian Brassington's Vile Rev. Osborne Whitworth
"Uh-huh. I'm Jay sleigh Cobb. And you're listening to masterpiece studio. The Reverend Osborne Whitworth is the lowest of the low in Cornwall brutally assaulting his wife. More wena and pushing to commit her to an insane asylum when she refuses his advances. Not at a mock deterioration behavior. Periods of profound melancholy suffers increasing from the most alarming delusions and continues to refuse me my conjugal rides. Which leads me to conclude that she's beyond helping would be better off in an institution. But this week on pulled arc Reverend Whitworth finally gets his just deserts from the most unlikely of sources Arthur cuckolded husband his sister-in-law row. Ella frightens ozzy's horse and ends up sending him to an early grave reverent worse. What do you want? This is what I want. Christian brassing? Tin truly went all in to play the awful, Ozzy gaining weight and growing out his hair to illustrate the vile reverence over fed image depraved ability. I think he's is endless. He can never really be satisfied. He has gone through his entire life expecting everything to happen. For him. The moment he clicks, his fingers demands it brassing tin joins us to discuss how it felt to play. The repulsive OSCE what look forward to now that he's through with dark, and how ozzy's Tofig came to life on the screen. And this week we are joined by pulled Arcstar Christian brassing. Ten welcome. Hello. Thank you. Christopher Biggins who played Ozzy in the nineteen. Seventies adaptation was voted the most hated man in England for his performance. Did you have any trepidation about stepping into ozzy's? Rather large shoes? I didn't have any trepidation because the PA is so wonderful. I think that when you start on a show like Paul dog. You don't quite realize the impact that it has not I'm saying I would change anything now. But I I died in headfirst such a wonderful character in such a treat to play. So don't worry about that, particularly. And I also think that if do become the most hated man on television, if that's a Monica that can be applied Donahue decides that quite then I think we've probably done our job because he is vile, and he is hateful. So I could maybe take it as a perverse compliment, given the the public reaction to Christopher Biggins in the nineteen seventies have. Have you been recognized in the streets and been shouted at by any angry pulled arc fans. I haven't no because between series. I lose the weight and grow a bed until it. Anyone really recognizes me up until recently where I had to have my bitch shaved my hat Cup full role in a movie, and rather alarmingly assume as that happened people started coming up to me in the streets and saying all your awful vicar from Potocani, so it's starting to happen. A lot more frequent. I'm not sure how about that. But so far people being slightly wary, but polite true or false. It was your own decision to gain weight for the role rather than the producers. True. Yes. True. But he I mean, he is overweight. It says in the in the books that he. Crushes his his pregnant wife mwana in the most Ariffin circumstances much vote. So I think that if we hadn't embrace that side of his physicality than would have been doing a disservice to the to the writing I think, but nice certainly nobody says you can only do this job if you on two and a half stain. No one that to me I wasn't forced into. To get to that point. You had to eat a diet of of thirty five hundred calories a day to book up. What was that process? Like, well, the thirty five hundred calories a day prices was full series three. And that was pretty good. Most of the time. I just went for it. I was eating burgers and drinking beer and pizzas and coming out for Curry's and just having amazing time and never limiting limiting myself. If you if you want to have a dining, then have another one or have some ice cream. So that was kinda great fun. However, I didn't feel particularly healthy. So for series four we approached in a much more scientific way. And I work with a nutritionist Lisa Jones and her husband is personal trainer could Neel Eldon and for this series. It was four thousand calories a day of healthier food. It was healthy food is just an awful lot of it and lots of heavyweights squats deadliest trying on his much muscle mass as well as the inevitable fat when you eating that much not not running doing any cardio. So seriously, a lot of fun didn't feel very healthy series for was a lot of hard work. But I think that I was kind of my buddy doing it in that way. It did you just lose the weight immediately as soon as you stop that diet. We haven't insurance period after you stop filming while you have to maintain your parents, essentially just in case we need to. Go back. And then after that, I go straight on it. Jim twice a day and working with a personal trainer. Gannon's really what you might I amend. That's been slightly interrupted by a film that I've just done where my character was described as being portly. So I thought well, I better not go too crazy with it. So I'm oppose it slightly. But we'll begin back on it. Now to really to yet, the get rid of the very last vestiges of Ozzy because that's not. So when you want to be carrying around with United their life for many pulled arc viewers. The name Ozzy has become synonymous with toe-sucking monster. What did you make the character of Osborne? When you first read the scripts for season three. Someone Cherie action. Was. That I sort of I could hear his voice, very, clearly, I remember, very distinctly reading the script for the first time and hearing his voice for clearly and realizing that he was. Larger than life realizing that he had this enormous appetite for for everything. And then the speech, I remember it was a scene where I'm trying to do at least chapels mwana. And I talk about myself. I just bang on and on and on about myself. And then there's a moment where I just it just changes very quickly. And he says you will be mine was to that effect. This will happen. I felt at once you've been sent to console me to be a new mother to my two young daughters to comfort me as a wife can. And now, I know that my sentiments are ton show. They are returned your hesitancy. Does you credit all decent women approach matrimony with the degree of shyness? But as a matter of feeling and man of God, I show you my love will be returned. Matt was that moment of thinking this? Real darkness here as well. As the ridiculous frippery and extravagance that was the moment where I thought. Okay. Yeah. This is this is a really wonderful. This is a real gift for an act to be able to play dislike buffoonish person. Who's actually a monster underneath how odious did you set out to make Ozzy and in that scene? I didn't set out to my Kim odious tool. I think the as an actor if you start trying to play the evil in somebody or the badness in somebody than it, very quickly becomes a bit of a caricature which have to be so careful with with Osborne Whitworth because he is larger than life, and he is. Almost a caricature but in his own time. So I didn't set out to be odious tool to be able to be unpleasant. I just tried to commit fully as possible to what was in the script to what was asked of the character. And in a moment in like that way, he does change. He's just completely convinced of that aspect of that happening that you just have to play that truth with it. I think if you said that Ozzy quote has champagne taste on a beer income is that ultimately, what's at conflict within the character. His his inability to satisfy his hunger with what's available to him. I think that I think that's exactly I think he his is endless. He can never really be satisfied. I think that he has. Such a sense of self-importance because of his family's are Socratic name which counted for so much in the circles, he moved in in those times, he as gone through his entire life expecting everything to happen for him the moment, he clicks, his fingers demands it so when that doesn't happen his temper is very quick, and he quickly flies into a rage in in order to. Make what he wants happen more quickly or so he hopes and given as we've discussed that you gained a lot of weight to play the lemon silk Ozzy. How difficult was it to leave the character on the set? Once you finished filming each day. Did he stick around with you? I think that not in a very obvious way. But the way in which I was able to get back into the car series. Fall made me do a sort of take you like think. Well, hold on. This guy is within me somewhere. It's quite alarming to think that you create this person, obviously the script and the story have a huge MSA do the creation of a character. But the physical body of him and the voice and the ticks nuances that he has his oppressor my portrayal of him, which I hope I hope he has that does come from within you and is slightly alarming thing that I carry this person around. I don't know that there's anything in that similar to Osborne. My goodness hype. Is nothing new which is similar to burn. But I do know that both my actual wife, and at least chapel my work wife did not like it when I ever did the voice offset. They didn't like that. That wasn't a joke. Quick. She went down very well. He's not he's nuts. That's noble surprised to hear that voice around on young. When you're not expecting it. There's the the license series three where side behind her. Would you Oxford bomb? What is that? Honeymoon to speak of such a thing to tease. Probably do much, but I do do. Time. And I I might make Lisa's mwana jump by doing that. So for a while. I thought it was funny to do that jury during filming days. But yet she didn't like it very much. So had stop doing. On the subject of Elise chapel. What is it like acting opposite? Lease and what did she bring to those harrowing scenes of the two of them together? I could Wexler for hours about alise. I was so so lucky to have my sparring partner import up Bihar. He's an incredibly. Natural talented actor. A commitment is just fantastic. And that lends itself to a fantastic betrayal of mwana, which he has delivered. But also, it means that at least really into the scenes, you know, you're there together, and as an actor playing opposite her that's wonderful because you're there you're together you're in these moments, and you you've you'll feeding off each other. But we also had to do some really awful stuff. Some some horrific abusive scenes, and it can be distressing to see somebody who you who you care about who you become very good friends with to see somebody upset distressed, and it's yet stuff to watch. But as testaments her commitment is a and talent and skill is an actor that she went to those places. But generally, it was an absolute joy by on screen. Before this next question. A brief word from our sponsors. Viking Vikings all new custom-built ocean fleet is designed to bring the traveler closer to the destination with all verandah state rooms and assure excursion included in every port Viking by river and by C. Learn more at Viking cruises dot com. What do you make of ozzy's treatment of more went on? And does he see her is less a human being in more of a possession or thing? What I make those his treatment of as a person living in in the twenty th century is that he's a monster is completely unrepentant after commissioned. These flax, I suppose the thing that I find quite disturbing about him. Is it there's no sense. All there's no notion that he's doing anything wrong. I don't think he wakes up the next morning after committing these awful, awful crimes and has think to himself and things maybe I shouldn't have done that. That was an awful thing to do even or even questions themselves. I think that as you said he views his wife as chattel as somebody who is is beckon call who is now his wife. She has no say without his giving permission for anything to happen. I think he does very much few. By that. Yeah. As a possession, and it's awful, and she's completely trapped there because there's no there's no empathy in the manner. Don't think does just complete self involvement. Ozzie turns his attentions to more wegner's flirtatious to row Ella to fulfil his sexual desire. What is Roe Ella offer him? And does he not see that? She's clearly manipulating him. I don't think he's very bright. I think that he he gives us out projection of being this very cultures. You know, wonderful man who thinks he's goats gave a few pod and upon. But I don't think he knows when he's being played don't think he knows when he's being played budget, which will again, and I certainly don't think he knows when he's being played by I robot tonight with either I think that this beautiful young lady comes into their household, and he can't help himself. He he just has no self control whatsoever. So I don't think he does realize he's being playing I think until it's too late when she's blackmailing him and saying, you know, we'll talk about your you'll pig's tail mow on your buttocks. That by that. It's too late. He's having to hand over the cash. And of course, he's he's furious about it. He's infant impotent. If you're is about it. But there's nothing you can do by that point. 'cause he's being he's been played. I have to ask about the to- second seen in season three goods good. What was it like filming this with his mate Koei who plays row Ella? But it wasn't as many as chose who. I was talking. She only had to endure me sort of staring them. Licking my lips sivy Asli Robert in actually have anything to do with that. We did have a couple of risque saints. But thankfully, we avoided that no the the choice like insane. I mean what what do you do? You just have to go for it. There's no way around it. It wasn't for static. That would have been nicer should've suggested that maybe could have a process for box. Yeah. There was no way around it. You just had to go for it. And hope that we go to in one or two takes and didn't have to keep doing it. Too often, not my most favorite scene I've ever filmed. But my goodness. Did it carry action? One viewer said of that scene. Quote. I think on the bleach to cleanse my mind after witnessing that toe second seen. Why pulled are why the audience reaction on social media to to that scene? I think that encapsulates perfectly the reaction that we would want to that saying why would say to the people complaining about watching is tried doing it. And then see if it anyways, I know which one I chase. I'd rather be watching it then having to do it. I think I mean, interestingly that scene was filmed, but actually never aired in the nineteen seventies adaptation as the BBC. She felt it was to quote racy to s do you feel like a pioneer in that respect? Huck apply an air. I'm not sure it's the same thing is stepping foot on the moon. But. Yeah. Still about fate. Yeah. One small one small foot suck for mine. I'm pleasing the reaction. I think it so informative for the character for his rampant sexual appetite for appetite for all things. So I feel like a pioneer. I'm sure there have been. I mean, the big about sqi that that fate should feet quietly. Those there was feet on the poster for the big abou- skier. But I don't think anyone had to put that foot in their mouth. So maybe maybe I'm a pioneer. Maybe maybe that'd be a Mike Reiss Stein. Fetishes? Yeah. Yeah. He learns that row Ella wasn't pregnant with his child. Does he believe that she lost the baby? Or does he actually suspect that she faked her pregnancy to get leverage over him? I think the way that we played in that scene. I think he's furious with instantly. I think he realizes again that he's being completely played. And I think he sort of realizes quite quickly what she's done that. It was all an act, but of course, again, he can't help himself. He cons the his ways. And all she needs to do or wellness today is give him a little smile. And then he's weak at the knees once again, and that the smile as McCoy delivers as a letter in that in that market saying was was a thing of brilliance is I'm we speak about that often because it was just a wonderful a wonderful moment from her. And then I'll see you can't help himself. Again. He has a plot to commit more wena one that Dwight won't go along with what does he hope to achieve by having more when a committed so as MRs women's husband, your close in time and put away. Question. Why would wish to she performs household empower stooges conjugal duties that you see as you know? I'm in holy Neville. My position is delicate. If I took the step of incarcerating, my wife, also good for live. Be reluctant to have the matter. Come to the attention of the Bishop my position is if I love was responsible. That's why the sanction of decision is the most important. Not trust you easily find such. I think that he is he's trying to. Satisfy his desire is old time. And I think that Mowana oversee tragically in love with Drake stands up to him as much as she possibly can. Because the plan never comes to fruition. I wonder whether he was trying to get her committed. So that he was then free from her could get divorced again, find another victim or whether he was going to use that as some blackmailing device saying if you don't let me have I want I'm going to have you committed. I think that they one of those things we never quite see what happens at the end of it. But he's very determined. And it's I need twice good nature that stops from doing it. And that was a lovely. I love film in that same. We look Norris where Ozzy is trying to persuade whites of the need from one to be committed and DWI is obviously suffered this. Horrific heartache this happened to him just as in the worst, mental place, imaginable and Anaheim. Hi, manages not to swing for the Ramona's at that point. But it was a lovely into film with another lovely actor. I thought it very interesting that it's not the long suffering more wena or heartbroken Drake that actually do Ozzy in. But it's rather row as rather milquetoasts husband. Why do you feel it's important that ozzy's undoing his carelessness with row Ella? I think that he. He needs to. To get his doesn't. I think that he is so vile, and so awful the only way that we can have any closure on his story is for him to die in a. Pretty horrific and also slightly ridiculous way. And I think that it is right. As you say that his undoing comes from his it's with a marriage woman. Who is also his wife sister, by the way, is I think that is right, and is fitting, and it's good. I'm glad that you know, the make office always the one that eventually leads to his demise. Because also has been so dismissive of author the entire time as being on the scene. So yeah, this is a mini fist-bump office way manages to be the one that essentially doesn't mean. Yeah. But it's not exactly a battle royale between the two of them. The writing crop and at candlestick, and yes and Ozzy gets his foot stuck in his horses stir up and he's dragged to death. What was it like shooting? This this rather ridiculous yet? Very brutal fight scene. Well, it was lovely be on Aramis who is the black stallion hill. I was writing, but I'm gonna level with you most of the sort of. Stuntman stuff was done by stuntman. So I was on the horse, and we did the sort of winging about the riding crop and the candlestick, but the actual dragging on the ground that was done by a stunt, man. And when I watched it, I was I was pleased. It wasn't me that cost you make up the pump did an incredible job turning this very handsome, slim stuntman into the odious toad like most moment with on the horse. So I I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. I had to do slightly more than I thought I was going to I did have to full back off the whole they're not quite to the ground. Which is in a way was somehow somehow scary. They do a very cover not on your on one of the stirrups, which means that you can't physically. Full back from the horse. But you still have to throw your body of the back of a horse, and if you can visualize it when you sign on either side of a horse. You throw your buddy back over the course of the whole so that your left leg ends up on the subtle. And you are hanging from the back of the whole, you know, sort of arms dangling, just above the grounds down that at that point. It's always hanging there completely helpless. I did think if this will society to run now, then this might be an actual death scene as opposed to a fiction that same. So that was slightly more than I was expecting. And I will remember forever that that line being utter Tamie of? So if you could just throw yourself back of the horse now will be great. All right. What really hard for this? But yeah, it was a good day and a lovely incredibly well trained horse, thankfully, I mean, the entire thing would be almost humiliating if it hadn't been fatal, which I think is is perhaps the most fitting end for Ozzy imaginable to be humiliated death. Yes. Absolutely. I agree. It's a humiliating end because he him and his mother boast about his ability as a writer, and how you know, he would love the idea of thinking of him being an expert rider and horseman. So the fact that what kills him is is a mistake essentially getting his foot caught in the in the saddle and and being dragged away on it is ridiculous. It's pretty awful a not very pleasant might to go. I'm sure, but is like ridiculous, please about the I think that the things he's done to humiliate other people. It's kind of fitting that he's humiliates is right at the very end as well. His bodies discovered in the woods by two minors. Was it easy playing a corpse? It wasn't easy playing. A course now because the ground was very wet, and there was a breeze blowing through so you're trying to lie there with your with your eyes Ivan, and I had a foot in the Stirrup, but it had to be in a suit of slightly off anger in order that it would stay in there that it was still attached. And it was in a dead man's not deadman's loop karma the exact phrase, very technical. But so if our amiss decided to wonder off, then the foot gets released from the Stirrup, and we just we just reset and that was fine apart from on the take where it didn't. Release an hour. Missy tannan office standing around waiting for me to be able to keep my eyes. I've been in the breeze and wonder off, and I did try and stay still for as long as I possibly could. But I thought on my my foot is gonna break care if I'd don't shout. So I sort of then everyone jumped in and they they saved us. I don't know quite what going on there. So for what was essentially seem rose lying down the floor. I made it more difficult than it. Probably should have been. I love the casting here of Rebecca front as mother lady Whitworth who might be almost as calculating and callous Ozzy himself. What was it like working with Rebecca wonderful of being a big fan of as many many years are slightly intimidated. I think meeting her for the first time, but she's such a lovely person. When she's not playing lady Whitworth that she quickly any fears about that aside. And it was it was wonderful working with the ride wish we'd be able to do more together. But I can't tell you how different of us and Rebecca from from lady Whitworth. She's a lovely lady in vice you run for luncheon. Her husband, cookie Lafi food rather than this evil, which like person who harasses more winner and tries to ruin her life after we think she might finally be free. Ozzy's excess isn't limited to food drinker sex. He's also the most flamboyantly and expensively attired character on the show. What did you make of ozzy's costumes? I loved them. I did enjoy wearing the mind joy, the flamboyance of them. I think the costume department quite liked think how and his team quite liked being able to have a bit of flamboyance one of the male characters because suddenly someone's coming in and he spent all his income migrant up on clothes. So I think they they quite enjoyed an I I loved it. When a new waistcoat would arrive in its how if we've made your new ice cut. So new owner drive in say, that's very nice, but the other lemon so close coat was map, salute favorite. I just wish that they could it be moved by me when I was in in that sort of shape. I wasn't playing such an offer character because the costumes were really lovely some beautifully cut pieces. Although all cuts cilikely too small for me to accentuate my curves, shall we say? So they were all pretty tight these cost to the point where by if I put my costume in the wrong older in life. You put your shoes on last? But when you're playing the in the costume, you have to put them on quite early in the process because once you've done your britches. They're so tight you can't bend down to. Put them on. So during filming days, I would sort of be at a funny angle like a like a plank of wood because I couldn't quite bend at the waist while he was filming everything was so tight. It's Oklahoma glamour Italian looking back at the last two seasons of pulled arc. Do you have a favorite scene? Wow. There were a lot. Of scenes to choose from seeing that really enjoy which is very brief is the Taylor seen that is just Ozzy in full flyers being measured for his wedding, suits. No, I did is wife doesn't want to marry him. Or if he has any idea he doesn't care and just much more interested in the clothes about her feelings. So I think that was a very funny. I remember that being very fun brief scene today and almost every scene with with the lace as more wena. We just we just had such a great time sparring with each other. It was I enjoyed that back and forth so much and trying to find a little moments in it. And you know. You know, him always drinking or eating something. That was that was great fun. The reason why I say almost all this. There were some pretty difficult scenes, and you couldn't ever say they were good fun to film. But on the home, my favorite scenes were opium wena, and that back-and-forth treat Christian brassing, Tim. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. It's been great. Thank you. Masterpiece mystery in the past thirty eight years you've seen the spooky Victorian style line drawings that make up the series distinctive title sequence the drawings. Come from the genius mind illustrator Edward Gorey, and our producer, Nick Anderson visited Gorey's house on Cape Cod. To learn more about the man behind mysteries, macabre and unforgettable opening scenes. Check your podcast feeds this Wednesday, October thirty first for a special Halloween bonus episode from the Edward Gorey house museum in armored Massachusetts and also tune in Sunday November eleventh for an interview with Darryl's in Corfu star Alexi or Hulu. Masterpiece studio is hosted by me jas Cobb produced by Nick Anderson, editor Suzanne Simpson is our executive producer executive producer of masterpieces, Rebecca Eaton. 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S7 Ep1: Dame Jacqueline Wilson and her breakaway belt
"I'm susannah constantine and dishes my wardrobe malfunction the past where i stopped talking to a very special guest back and see where it takes us usually all sorts of wild wonderful directions. Welcome to season sudden. If you're new to the party we have forty eight episodes you to catch more. And if you're a fad of great bushes. Dame's the frankie. Who isn't we've already featured four of them. If you can't christopher biggins dame kristin scott thomas sandra roads sheila hancock and strengthen of all been into my wardrobe which leads me nicely on. Today's special guest. She's published more than one hundred books. So more than forty million copies in children's laureate multiple awards and been a important and influential partial lives of generations of young women. It's dame jacqueline wilson. Her latest book the runaway girls is out now. So let's grab the handles open. My wardrobe does find out. what's inside. Oh so today. I am in pink and all of the wonderful dame jacqueline wilson and i really am honored to me you to be able to talk to you because you've published more than one hundred bucks you've sold more than what is it forty million and my doses grew up reading your book so i feel such a kind of sense of nostalgia because it reminds me of when they wait young girls. And that's always a good thing. So dame jacqueline wilson. Welcome to my wardrobe malfunction. I'm absolutely delighted your pain. I'm in blue affection perfection. So let's get straight in to your style. I've always loved how utterly distinctive you are in the way you dress the stat kind of he mian flair and and always interesting textures and patterns. And i don't think there's anyone else like you public is a huge compliment and was this something that all has always been with you. I think it was possibly reaction to my childhood though. I did stick out then but we we will not a toll push we. I lived in a council estate mine. Mum's ambition was. I was to be ladylike now. I ask you which child she wants. Look ladylike and so instead of letting me wear just the sort of things other kids will week go to proclamations. What was style she. Didn't we didn't have enough money to buy me a A switch sheepskin jacket. I had a swayed a suede at and should we didn't have enough money to me to have my clothes just at ordinary times be. She was a great person queuing up in the january sales particularly to a shortcut. Cna's went on forever and so most my clothes came for their and if She couldn't buy clothes. She knitted for me and it was. I can see very kind of her. But did she never could fit the leaves properly. So i always had showed. It is long before the as to sticking right out like china and naturally kids tease me. She will sue. Gave me a a home perm so that might have just sort of exploded all over the place so i hated the way i looked and then as soon as i started earning my own money what joy it was able to choose my own clothes and the one thing my mom ways had was that it was common to wear jewelry particularly for little girls and so guess what i'm up -solutely still reacting to that wind a bit too far in the seventies and eighties more being on every finger and looked could could a child with one blow slightly more restrained in my old age but as you can see that still great big lumpy things here there and everywhere. But that's just so interesting about your mother of do think so did she. Do you think she saw you as an extension of her rather than as her daughter. Unfortunately yes a not that very disconcerting we have very different personalities but also when i was about fifteen sixteen seventeen to save money often i had to wear clothes which was absolutely a poorly. I mean we will roughly the same size. Who wants to go out in. Moscow's will certainly My daughter wanted to wear my clothes. And i don't blame her. Because you went individual close express your personalities so I then i was married to a very conventional policemen for quite a long time and he couldn't bear it when i wore something a little bit different and war of the jewelry and then actually want to be too ladylike but I wasn't somebody that just wanted to look out of is five unit rated acres so it was a great relief actually to to be single to when my own things and generally i will lack because i think if you've been to a lot of very flamboyant jewelry you do tend to like a christmas tree if you've got too many colors and sparkles going on but then after a while you get a bit sick of something On now i live in the country. I'm mostly wet jeans and boots because you never particularly at the moment if you set foot in the fields unique literally knee deep in mud and i love dressing like this. No i'm completely with you on this But it's interesting how you you went from Being under the roof of your parents and then into the arms of a policeman's wanted you to look suck way. Do you think the was account of safety in that. Was he a kind of almost like training wheels for you to become the independent woman you are today. That's a very clever theory fought. I i had left home at seventeen. I lift up in scotland for two years in a school bills hostile. Didn't really have a home. And i met up with him and he was actually a printer. Then and i do hope he wouldn't be listening to this. Because you don't want to sound byte full it was basically eighty was okay. Alright let's get married cassisi Do this which is just just state. Nineteen years old goodness sake but hey. We managed to joke long thread quite a long time. And then all psychot- my beautiful daughter river but Really i if i'd ever thought of leaving with anyone a tool. It was swift with some autism type in a suit interesting garrett or something not in police flats when you when you married when you go away from home. Did you sort of go crazy with your clothes. Was it like a huge To'real rebellion for you. It was a bit again. I didn't have much money I think i had a few things in kingston. Where where i live with my parents when i started to a little bit of money unless a shortcut knitwear which was started by the people that then went on to browns really push lunge shop and knitwear close with just magic because they desperately expensive but they were stylish and the joy of being able to eat a kit myself out in a couple of knitwear outfits and i just wore them until they bit son. I felt momey then it was just fantastic and a man in scotland. Basically you will. You'll close at once was done t. What's if an in the summer desperately go so then than women came down. South certainly When when i was pregnant. And i started to show. I basically had one dress which i started off. Thinking of this is okay to smart dress like small dresses. It was blue and red tongue on when you wear the same dress day after day after day but i usually heated in an even even after i had my lovely daughter with hopefully getting back to relatively normal because again that much money and the policeman's wage was pretty rubbish. That and i was trying to write and earning a bit with magazines. But not much so i had to steal away this terrible dress but belted so i looked like a soccer potatoes so the sheer join now of being able to wear things that i like to know suitable for for my way of life. I do always make sure. I'm probably dresser. I mean i i am that so many people now work at home a particularly men will do. We sit married t shirt and pants with obscene. Metex there to do that. And i always even. If i'm not going anywhere all-seeing anybody. I have to have something reasonably okay on and even put makeup on. And certainly the rings the bangles because that that's potted me absolutely. That's i completely identify with you. A few have two sides to you so this the side to the countryside as well as a side to me when i'm going to be out walking or running with the dog. It's not seeing anyone. And i looked like trump but i will still always put a bit of makeup on and they'll be some something which is kind of okay and then the other side may we're i know i can pull pull out the bag. Do you have all the chew jacqueline's to think in in that way there are uncertainly in when it full of it. It was such a night in in the village to go down and wesseling. Especially if i was just going to the local pub. Something like that. Because it's it's fun to dress up to. And i have a dear friend has vintage clothes shop in the village. And he has lows sorta nineteen twenties outfits which route the nice or black velvet cape sorta and the joy of living in a slightly with village. Is that nobody gives the dumb what you look like and there are people vastly more sensitive than me so it is quite fun to wear something different times and i have one or two full. Move things that fun going anywhere out triple show seeing anyone really really special than yes bed. That started wardrobe seducing close. More as kind of dressing up as as opposed to being fashionable. Yes like really see the point of trying to be Now because i sense change so quickly. And i still skim the fashion pages. I'm still a little bit interested but things. So so extreme now and i did it. Feel quite envious of of yelling. Swearing's to piney. The issue saw mini dresses again Because when that function came around. First time i was pregnant and you want to route light kiss. It just looks ridiculous or a young pushing brown and if you push you prompt in a miniskirt you show your underwear. So i missed can and now i mean i want to you to sort of have people shared ahead census pseudo. Girls so shen intrigues me. But i don't really take seriously and as long as something point pretty loose soil. May i did use to look ghost and all the all their outfits and because you could look kind of relaxed a coup but they very pretty unlike z so sued the that was my look for quite long time but now i think i'd look a bit like a young eighteen euro milk. Maty suit will maybe the bride of frankenstein. Which is how. I would look but those kind of a brand like ghost for example. The great about them. I think that that pieces are timeless. And i think with the right thing we can get away with it at any age will wear i think with so lucky. Will i am loosely. A new susannah but am mike ronnie. When she was about forty five actually lady close deliberately and she wore really old lady things and my mother who did get interested in fashion but mostly had those trousers soul. There's soldiers shoes a very comfy. I like comfy shoes but You know i would go for the mountain. Look that than this Skulls how many past montez you are a real. You know you you are bit of a hoarder your damarcus. I think all Don't much how many has you have with one favourite pat. I i have my favorite part. Amendment is black boots with of those rosie's embroidered on it. Which i really liked do when the railway butch ones I'm then they do some canvas boots and pink pad of docs philo and several. Flowery ones i would say. There are about five circulating around the bottom of my wardrobe. So do you think this apart view today the dresses how you would like to have done when you living with your parents definitely definitely i mean sometimes when when children right to me never be fed up and they might say that the parents so strict. And how do i know they might just be told off to something really not i generally say but the wonderful thing is you will grow up and then you can actually choose what you want. Do what you want to wear. How you want to live your life. And i think that's best s thing ever. I mean so many people my age look back upon that childhood is a golden time and everything that nope i like it just now so you because your father when you talk about your childhood you you read that you had a pretty. You didn't have an easy and your father was a depressive which is actually not my mother who was severely manic depressive and That must have been very tough you. You'd never knew what mood he was going to be in and then he did sometimes for something. I still didn't know what it was. He would flare up and shout but then he would be salta. And i think that was the worst thing he would. You could go for days and days and it was as if you didn't exist he he just wouldn't look at you and it. It was horrible so it was. It was kind weird upbringing. I think if parents married out the people they deplorably unit. Be much more new in those long ago days. You've kind of stuck it out because My mom did think about leaving my dad. Lots of times. But she didn't quite know how an s she was gonna earn enough to to find place to live or whatever then there was the program of me too and it was difficult and they both had affairs to which a i wasn't supposed to know about eventually did and A at my dad's funeral might they was technically still married but not one but two lady friends came along as well which was saw and then up one time with my mother but my father was ill and she was done as the next of kin for the hospital but also hug gentleman friend was in another world and she was next of kin to him. If it's a ridiculous situation so. I was determined when i got married. Even the with clear. We went really compatible to stick it out as long as possible because i kind of felt. That's what you should do. But i've been much happier since i've not been married to my husband and i'm sure he has to. He's married again. But it's i mean how did you feel when you found out about the The fares did you feel while. I'm glad they found some happiness. I was relieved about my father. Because i thought it was just my mother and and so i felt pull thing. He's just motoring away an unsigned. Even though he was scary that to potential fat she knew he was helping happy to so it was a very strange childhood potato. I was particularly shocked by that. It was just. I wanted everybody to peacefully and too for the note to be. Shouting was always on high days and holidays quite literally christmas in the summer holiday the waste the big growls because i suppose they hoped it would all work out each time and it never did. Did you notice when your mother looking back if you if you do indeed. No when she was having her affairs. Did you notice or remember a change in her appearance. Does she dress morobe little she did. Yes yes and yes she. She snits ordinary women. She carried on having an offense into will cut me which was my age. She was having affairs. Switch was oh my goodness she sounds she. Sounds like a very complex woman. She was strange. But perhaps if. I hadn't had such strange parents. I wouldn't be rising the to books i do know about kids who don't have a conventional mom and dad to away steph them so it could you could say a silent pollyanna. Was that fun pages. I completely identify with that. Because you know. I'm like you with mid my mother. Who never you know she. She was wonderful very loving and very warm but her illness was in control of her. Rather than the other way round. But i lost myself in in books and animals an i. I'd and i wish you books have been around. When i was a young girl because i would find great comfort in them but yet i would just i disappear into books. I completely identify with that. I mean that's that they were my lifeline. To and i. I wanted to now with with children. I mean i get let us know email saying you know a particular helped a child and that's absolutely wonderful. I know that wolf lachey children just onto into reading unchecked. I don't think you get kind of emotional comfort if you're just looking at little bits and pieces on youtube or whatever because you literally go into a different world will become a different person. When you're reading a book. I you still a great region now. I never have a book in my hand. I'm always reading. And i. I didn't go to university and managed to suit vaguely. Do some a level so light you because you left school at sixteen. I didn't go to university so but bright unlike written two novels i'm working on my thought. So my my university training to write was from reading. That's how i. I learned to write me too absolutely and i i find so many people say. How did you get into writing. I mean basically if to start writing and teach yourself in a way how to do it absolutely and with your characters. i'm how much foreign time to put into. How they appear am what they're wearing and it's let's say it. Satin big innovate victorian era. How much research you do around that. Victorian is fine because basically it stays the same. If i'm specific about what a ten old child is wearing say now. If with any luck that book stays in print safer five years or even ten years. Then it's going to be so different and even some of the the the to catch phrases or the things that people talk about change slightly and i was would like to be quite current with victorian times. That's wonderful and i don Researching victorian book. I don't read social history that much. I might check some fast. I like to read books. off the right time with the latest book the runaway girls. I read some dickens. I've lots of children's books very moralistic setina time So it gives you a feel at their copy. Any element in the books petit. It helps us see the way people express things and things that they were concerned about. The extraordinary situation of children particularly rich children. Shut up at home with governess if certainly if they were girls. Poor children frequently on the streets left to fend for themselves. And it was so extreme extreme. So it's it's a treat for me to to write victorian books and also if i'm writing contemporary book now in a bit of a nightmare because i fully many social media things. It's so hard just to manage to stay convincing on the the terrible phrase that don single is comes to mind in my books bound having the children talk you know. I don't want the a you'd have to raise their process sales good essay poor thing. Does she know nobody else like that. I mean i try. I listen to children. I mean justin children than i hope ninety percent of the time. It's okay but it is more of a strain. And when i think back to tracy beaker and in particular the tv series. I mean she had looks like quite a type. Tom was that was that her natural hair would did. You say that's what she needs to take on you. That's the lovely thought. Well i did not looking like that a bit. But i had always had a theory. That tracy herself was propably mixed-race. I never really mentioned as far as i can remember. Exactly who trace his fault the walls and when she was stuck in the children's home because she never known her father she never had sorta felt she she wanted him to come with was her mum. She was fixated on But i also believe in having the sorta characters that many different kinds of children can identify with so i have had some lettuce from from children with with parents Different ethnic backgrounds saying I bet chasis that it is is a black guy. And i've wasilla. Yeah well done you but nobody else really thought about that and In many come into things because we didn't really see traces a that a tool. I suppose that still a possibility. Resurrect to tracy. And now she's a mum with adultery has authorized on a would be really weird if that suddenly up who can tell who knows. It's all still up here on the brilliant mind of yours and so now you you. You going sticking with high. You've got beautiful kind of silva had do you. When did you crop. When did you how you had short hair. Because you're very lucky that it suits you. So i i feel a bit lucky yacar the with it because i've been very good stopped tool the rules. Actually sent for paris hairdressing cicis. But i didn't have the courage to a talk. It's a nice son who didn't let my partner try either so basically. It's just going to be wild. I was very long hair. Had had thing about one team. Have i have very wavy has so would never go particularly long Never really passed my shoulders. So i had it will cut off. I know in my teens. And it's been short ever since last year after uptown. Maya had grown a bit on ice Will i might have trimble. Keep it a reasonable because before it was really really quite short. And i thought it was maybe could to punishing face But i think it is easy to cope with and in the summer i. Let's go swimming a lot. So the not can just get up pool and and unit will even have to blow drying my hair and undies lia. So how did your mom feel when you had your her off. I think she particularly set anything. I mean she certainly. It wasn't in her current to say what bowling was lovely. But i don't think she particularly minded that she did she did mind about. This would close i. Warren unfounded dp embarrassing and Was forever ticking me off but then as she got older Little bit to mention it took Late eighties and she died when she was ninety two. She became addicted to shopping channels. Schumer said because. I've got no one to talk to. But it wasn't that really i think she she roy. Buying things said she had been Dealer and couldn't go and bought a for things and so she she applied to solve the shopping channels on both the most inappropriate things. I don't know that this was inside with the time but she put leopardskin things. I'm the hottest artist really taught. Close the group that tried to be ladylike. I'm i'm very badly boulton. But had them piled up so high on her bed the actually she started to sleep in. Her chair was really really outraged at the idea that i could swear to sift through them and put some of them away so she could sleep on her pet. I'm willing to do it. I mean she was very difficult to control even even in old age when she was quite helpless she. She ruled with rhode island. Did she ever did either of your parents ever pay you a compliment about how you those no. Don't say and my mom with my daughter she. She was a reasonable silicon eccentric grandma but but she was very fond of that but but we never paid her compliments. Either emma who would make save three on train to journey. Good see my mother and always she would be greeted with emi dreadful thinking up your friend's carts and just wasn't in the who who knows and yet humble upbringing Mike parents seemed. They seemed baffled by my mother. Certainly they went perfectly would marry couple. It sounds like she was someone either you or not quite sure how. She dressed with Someone who craves compliments herself. She did she did she. Very very much won. T be center of attention all the time and then us an elderly lady. If i was taking out in a wheelchair she would stop compensations with people and then Only say something that she knew would embarrassed be Or say something really unkind or nasty to someone comment on somebody in a very loud voice and she knew what she was doing but she just she just she even if it was condemnation she would prefer that the being gnawed business which she alive. When you met trish yes wash sahar yes. How did that go how that little seen play out what. She was so naughty because she'd always had gay friends and she was. She was a bit scathing about getting women always funt really prejudiced and yet of course was you'll shaming me. Oh like two people will point you choose. She was ridiculous really but again i. I didn't take it too seriously. Because she had culturally hated my husband and all my friends it was just given up trying to find anybody that would really Please her because they didn't exist without ever. A punctured view is the not now. She's passed on but was there a polish view the wanting to please her. That was always trying to please Up until i was middle aged. I did want please her. And then i think you get to the stage when you think in a home on stop getting what type about it. Because she can't change. I can change the way. I react and i still child so obviously still had to see her. I felt i had to do t- towards very luckily hud lost about twenty years. I was earning enough money. So i could pay other people to take her out tool or attend to a cayrol or just take for car rides or something which which was finally she go through them. Pretty quick but Just mill is that you you you go on just wanting to please you. You've got a some stage to please yourself an hired. You think i mean what what. How would you rate your confidence in how you look. Jacqueline probably changed throughout the years. But i'm must have some kind of confidence because otherwise side. Choose to close. That would make me to blend into the background I i think client i- weather so too close to please myself now if i feel yet. That looks okay. that's fine. I think i'd be disconcerted. If out in the street people say Sweat would rise above it. But i i would find that a little bit upsetting but no i think even if this this is what is so lovely from middle age onwards. I think you do stop with ice. Any stop trying to to fifteen and look a certain way. Behave a certain way. No i'm i'm completely with you five. Think they're in that direction. I do try. I just end up disappointed. Because it's never gonna happen so you've just got to be happy with what you see. In from view matter of anything else given the whole trinian's soussan days to people always look with interest. What you're wearing and chide to see you A fashion icon so women. Because i would find that quite disconcerting to be honest jacqueline now if i will down the street at sam i'm kind of inner local town and walking down the street and some might recognize me and i'm with my daughters or something and they'll look and i i know what's going through their minds though look and they'll go ooh is that seasons from chenine susannah and then the next thought is no a Puffs of his. I felt like shit. And i couldn't care less because i for me. It's all about feeling. And i sound such kind of cheese shape. Say this but it is. It's about feeling healthy. And my insides being beautiful. Well looked after and i'm not talking about my personality and being a good person. I'm literally talking about not waking up in the morning and how cool because my joints eighteen months. That's my priority. Now yeah very wise. I i i do remember when i lifted the hostile and we were all having a kind of midnight. Feast like something out of lighten on. We will all saying what would we wishful for the future. If we could have anything a tool and we will have very abso- wishes but won't go said good health. We look to thinking good. Her rake hadn't had as you got older. Actually good health is very important indeed an awfully absolutely dreadful than what really worried about a particular thing You know it. It does help to to to lead a healthy life though. Sadly there is some things now how that she was. She was a jump up to a two and fell. You just like that. While you've been through a law haven't you have been. I mean i soldi of things might opens failed one. That still seems to be pumping away. Okay is my liver. I to give that a bit of the hot win and then the kidneys went but thank god for among medicine kiss. Now i mean fingers crossed students than they've full Action now i have brand new kidney. Mostly cuts give trish because the win compatible this wonderful scheme where you can do a swap with another couple and so she donated her kidney. So so we've now both just go one working kidney but mostly you don't even think about it so when you what you wear are you. Are you married. You trish with civil silly partners. Civilly partner told you the full when you was civilly apartment. I did were a ghost outfit. It was kind of rosie. I have to say base phoolan remotely foreign color atop and adjusts sort of just below the knee and i got it very fun fit untrue schwa- of rather elegant chinese brocade the Jacket and black trousers. So you know we were certainly not going to be wearing white fox for anything like that are now and have you ever had a wardrobe malfunction jacqueline. I have ages ago. There was a fashion wraparound skirts. And i treated myself to a designer. Black wraparound skirt down to about the ankle. Very flimsy material very flattering didn't balk around the tummy. The hips or anything onto this nice sorta belts that you could not and therefore you had as i worked in the shop just a lease nably decent little display of leg. Just just to sit up to about the knee. Yep that's five. And and i was thrilled to bits with it the first time i wore it out walking down the road and then another road. I realized that aside board the split little more sheltered showings things not really pasta about the fi but even so i was a little bit disconcerted there. When i go into the town i was looking in shop windows and kept looking at it and thinking. Oh god and i suppose i was absent mindedly hitching agit to try and stop the things so much when suddenly the belt all the time of the undead itself by fees rabbi ankles rich in crowded crowded shopping street so i could feel myself the thought of it so i went into the nearest show dole. Way there's nothing else for a ton my backup and people would pull the skirt back by nicholas in the southern about sixty percents but straight home by the back streets. I never bought the dubs got to get. It was just so often it was just like there's night base. You get so not not a good look at you know good look not a good look and i imagine i know the answer to this already jacqueline but what would you consider to be your comfort like. It's something me anything from a laptop to a notepad to allow to think gives you great comfort will wearing. It's my jewelry for. If i go out anywhere. I generally have a book with me which is very annoying. It's i'm in the middle of a great big called back home safe but then we'll take paperback. Oh i have to have something to read. Because even if i'm waiting ten minutes for russell whatever i need something to distract myself so as as low as i go to book to read as long i mean i i used to keep my jewelry on all the time. particularly the bangles Because i just liked the sound of the offense even in bed. When i wrote over i have a specific funchal that has got little senior Insists only on it. It's just sorta moonstone on. James is quite chunky silva on its little skulls with kind light. Little hooked on is is quite legal is not to sorta by could go. But i particularly was funded this bangle and always Night and then one night. I woke up with the most excruciating pain. And the little who need it had actually impaled itself in my nipple. The dog actually out. So i had horrible sheet subsidy streaming with tis pain in the bathroom. And then i had to crouch and tran unhook it. And i have experienced so much. Page soga people who have rings handing out that nipples must be ma. The i was weather them and this is the stay. I don't let any tutoring pulse. Clutching onto my book. Said it was absolutely desperately. But i have. You always want silver jewelry because you look at your rings now. It's all silver. I did used to wear gold when when i could afford it often when a new book came out our by a new coat. Regional something if time to flow more flamboyant wearing a lot of gold and then my head went great very early on and so i thought might look just slightly more refined if i walk silver and And i will bless is a silk losses silver hair so that that was much easier and i prefer this soul to jewelry. Because it's i mean the stones. I love but they're not really precious stones and silver as near as expensive as gold so i can eat occasionally treat myself to something new and chunky an. It's lovely to wear a love that ring you're wearing on your right hand on your is what yes. Yes great and actually so a suits. Su silva is better color for you than gold. I think so. And and i don't be bit frightened that tunis. Somebody might if i went round king with gold. They might try and nothing could very likely apple. You've been on so many wards and then obviously with your damehood. So what would you consider to be your day sues. An outfit is like za`z this a green silk dress. I got from certificate voltaire ages ago on. That's the one that smile sorta dress. That will take me anywhere. And even if i'm going through you know the way that even if you just put on a few pounds but you suck much yourself absolutely huge or whatever but it's relatively loose around the waist and the tummy so i put it on the gold I like the feel of it. And i had to go to the palace ones because i think women saw was doing a woman of the year awards staying and i didn't want to look to like wearing my funeral black suit which is the only really push things and green. Silk dress went beautifully there. I was astonished to be aborted. Special after for switch of lifetime. Children's in the media thing because a lot of my books have been deducted for television and tracy beaker run spinoffs from it Low running was such a wonderful moment. And i thought saliva new but didn't let anything as much as the green silk dress. So so were the and it's even been in a film Do you remember the tap named both the. Oh yes they do. Yes i do. Absolutely i love that. Yes shane james with as sorta basketball and then he adopted this captain and bedding. There was a book about. It's in some other books and everything and he wants to be published by my publishes on the big party held at christmas will something until he was there with a packed draped run to show this my love cats and yet. I'm astonished that this is so calm because you know mike catt with shriek with horror. Run away in a huge crowded noisy place so i went up to him and also Stroke cat on. He was just lovely and book with just like he'd been a star all his life. And just very happy to be stroked by people and then we both left quite early and he such his girlfriend was picking him up and she'd read my books when she was younger. And could they have a photo so we had the photo. I didn't realize that on social media or whatever. Because i follow very much to and then in the second book about bob they had actually mentioned me by name in the book and so that was the first film about bob. The second film somebody approached me and said would you like to play yourself because we're gonna have a Party and i said well yes please. Nine thought it'd be fun and it was fun in a way. Because i get to meet the real james and also the the actor who played him and a new book had been in semi retirement. Then I got to meet both himself. He's getting on bit. And i got to meet about fife undestanding box and i wore my green dress and ankle that because it was a publishing party. See that my bit was in. And i thought that might give me confidence. Unfortunately having watched the phil very good film through three months vegas and actress in bouncing by itself is one of those fringe moments so lovely feel lovely person impersonating james lumley bullpen always under studies huxley rubbish me but luckily i was offended in it for about two minutes that how fantastic an i just want to ask you selfishly. One last question what she reading any good book recommendations clemson brought. You can never amash folks. But what kind of things do you li- to read I'm just at the moment reading a. It's an american book. Could american baby. Because it's about in the sixties so many young women if they got pregnant they were absolutely practically forced into having their babies put up for adoption. If they weren't married or didn't have a boyfriend and seen on their parents wouldn't look up to them. And i am writing something similar about a girl here in the nineteen sixties and So that is absolutely fascinating. So that's my kind of work. I recently plowed through a wonderful biography of sylvia plath which is not a lifting rating That tells you more more than you ever thought was possible about Did i think it was a terrible time for her. All the way through my life really but still she's absolutely extraordinary poet and And belgium remains might when my absolute favorite book. So i've read that. I sort of jump around with different books. That i got shaggy bane. The i think won the booker prize. Because it's about a boy on his mom in glasgow in search of the leading very impoverished life. Which sort of appeals to me. I've recently read. Rose tremain a so. It's very collectively suicide on reading at the moment which i'm loving Onto from about an sobat this tribe in mexico and basically they exist no one knew anything about them and it's christopher mclaughlin. I think his name is and it is fascinating. Because i'm i'm obsessed with not doing it. Myself i'm i hasten to ultra running is something right going off on tangents and it's so interesting about this tribe and how they live and how they can run for four days on the trucks are meeting re. I really recommend is fantastic. And that'd very inspirational for women thinking real. I really ought to talk to him. Running not me. The oil put you off completely full jacqueline. You are just fantastic in the thank you so so much for taking the time to speak to man. I wish you all the best for your new book runaway goals and with all the fantastic books yet to your amazing thank you suzanne and i go to go look for your books now i send you the biggest kiss can kisses from me to you too. Thank you thanks. Jacqueline is she obvious. Had new book the runaway girls out now before we go a tiny bit of housekeeping. I if you have a clothing story of your own who just want to say hi. He malasyia help with my mouth dot com second. You can find a dazzling house banjo guitar. Music dot com o a jewish guitar music unless officials. Finally you can find us at my ward now dot com. Follow us of my ward now on our socials and rate and review us on your chosen coco's platform thank so much again to the one before buying or just actually exquisite jacqueline two zero and of course thanks to you for listening catch up sued until then. My water is officially closed.
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"Why hello there. It's chappie the british butler it's keep calm and cauliflower cheese and is episode number fifty four what a week what a celebration There'll be lots of pageantry today on the podcast. I feel sort of pageantry today. I would say so they'll be some baton twirling some butler baton twirling or maybe a goal to kane accompanying adults Set there'll be some gymnastics of marching dan's. Maybe i'll spend some knives Hopefully blunt ones. They'll be flags they'll be light battles five battles maces. We're going to put the rifles away. A couple of spud guns. Can you remember that. Those spud guns. It used to take the gun and used to inserted into a idaho potato or something along. Those maybe a king edward and you could fire out little potato pellets out of it. So there'll be some of that as well So i'm seeing myself. More of the major at rather than a chilean. The body of dallas cowboys need a few more setups. There and i don't look so good in a push up bra trying but not quite as impressive i think is and it might scare people off. It may may send us back to the dark ages. If if i slip on that outfit so bad on twirling. I didn't if the left of the right hand i might write ham twelve or maybe a left hand. Twirler don't know. I mean that's a big joe biden was inaugurated. Lots of people turned up. Bernie sanders mittens lady gaga rod. Outfit that she belted out the national anthem. It was ravi lovely The the country singer who name slips me by at the moment golf brooks isn't it now. Why did he wear jeans. Caen put a suit on or a tuxedo or something along those lines. I mean why doesn't he. Why did he have the wranglings on the cowboy boots. He had a jacket home. Did he have one of those blast ties. Order called the with the with the plastic thing you do up in like show called or something. The jeans i mean they weren't even black jeans. I mean you can get away with black jeans. Maybe in a tuxedo jacket or something. But he didn't even have those on head the wranglings on ripped. I don't know if you're showing off. His bottom crack is highly possible. Because those those buggers you tight belt and maybe some Some braces or suspenders. To hold them up. We're not going to get into the whole prices in suspending again on the podcast american version versus the english version. So somebody me prince. Harry is that you know gration see him. The could possibly comment that. Believe that yup bernie sanders mittens. We'll be talking about them lady gaga subliminal. Playing this will feature on the show baked potatoes. i think we need an executive order. baked potatoes. are we talking about that later. Do you have to make marmalade the bikini. Liz hurley does and we'll be talking about that also And big nose. Moss slippage the greek pm. Flaunting his six pack very jealous. Obviously also bees rambling the bramble for the tiny We'll be having a Trip to the potting shed percy grower. He's eight growing not a shower. He'll be appearing with maybe some gardening tips later. And we are going to have a twenty one limerick salute in celebration of the joe. Biden's irish heritage. Good excuse to have a bunch of limerick. I care on the program today when zoom meetings just get boring catherine of aragon death also A gentleman who thought he aliens turned his wife into a toffee. Crisp close impersonal. The truth about sex on screen Really crazy about see shanties. Maybe i'll be digging along the maritime fashioned later who knows apres ski my love at the apres ski. But certainly not going to do any back. Diamond runs woodpeckers fully the drudgery voi- getting stock as well. How millennials became the burnout generation. Flight attendant times. You should never drink these beverages on a plane by the way Watching the flight attendant on apple. Tv wonderful wonderful is is a very good. Show the the young lady who pays minute show a conflict of name now. The name her just bus hold on a second. And so i think i think i'm gonna i think i'm going to pass. It is his name. I'm gonna make an absolute holik. Saw pigs air this night so the lady from its kaley kuka is that. Is that how you pronounce it. Let says she's in the flight attendant. She was in the big bang. Theory is kaley christine Coca cuoco talion are that night anyway. So that's the lady is absolutely fabulous. It's the like a little mystery. There's a lot of internal dialogue A little gossip girl in terms of the dialogue. But it's a fabulous show. It's a little murder mystery. It has some dark comedy moments and Worth awash definitely so. Also we're going to have some trump trombone and we'll have an enigmatic english eccentric coming on the way on verve race team. Podcast is episode number fifty four. Keep coming lavar cheese again. So in celebration of joe. Biden's inauguration overseas irish heritage. We're going to have twenty one limerick salute today so the name limerick takes back to five sixty one. Ad is not clear when the are sitting became associated with the verse. form in nine. Seventy seven The loss norse viking king of limerick known as either the limerick dies. Richard the second or sir richard thirst and eleven ninety seven better known as richard lot grants the city of limerick. Its first charter. saint thomas aquinas. Maeve written the first limerick prayer in latin in twelve twenty five and thirteen hundred the ancient anglo saxon old english poem. Summer is a common also known as the cuckoo song is limited like will light. Thirteen twenty two limerick like poem. The line is though wunderlich. Strong is one of the oldest such poems the extent and in fifteen Thirty three queen. Elizabeth credited for writing about the daughter of debate and And then in nineteen sixty five The first irishman fellow ver after drinking ten pint of guinness and reciting rav aboard limerick. Well that's probably maybe two hundred years later than it should have been But that we're going to be celebrating. joe biden with a twenty one Limerick salute today and we We kickoff food this one. There was a young lady named bright. Who travelled much faster than light. She set one day in a relative way and then came back the previous night. Okay so we have all twenty one. Limerick salute to joe biden. We're going to miss mix the dirty with the with the clean hair. Some of these ones would need like a ton of oxy clean to get them clean. they're so dirty. The president's loud process station on his fall to the interns temptation. This affair still moral as long as are all straight screwing. I save for the nation and okay. This one is absolutely. I know it's it's absolutely apartment. I don't all right so let's a look at the once was a man from untuckit. Who's dickerson long. He could suck it. He said with a grin as he wiped off his chin. If my were. I could it okay. Pretty pretty nasty and then Loft on the dirty brigade for now. This is all four. There once was a man called. Sweeney who somehow spill gene on his weenie. Just to be couth. He added vermouth and then slipped his date. A martini people being pulling the wool over my eyes. So people said that prince. Harry went to joe. Biden's inauguration prince. Harry may live in california but he still made a cameo of sorts on. Joe biden's inauguration day in virginia off the biden swearing ceremony in washington dc. He headed to arlington cemetery. Tell everything to the unknown soldier. John davidson staff member. Bill clinton shared a snap on twitter. The former president with his hand on biden shoulder and the around wife hillary clinton and in the background. The show was a large photo with prince. Harry the image was Of gca sussex from his twenty thirty visit the united states which included a visit to arlington cemetery So he wasn't even that but people said he was that harry was i. I didn't think you all's. I think it was just the pitcher but anyway i mean i imagine maybe a photoshop pitcher bernie sanders and his mittens. Next prince haruna absolutely wonderful mittens. Who other bernie Fabulous spended mittens a. I've got a very similar. That are i'm harris tweed and all of oh send you some of those over from from my dad's my dad's farm shop immediately can send those over to bernie and they'll keep you warm fremont winter you know old chap and the lovely to be here on such an auspicious occasion so chest out great pm flaunted and vaccine photocall. If there's any doubt in your mind how hard it is to be a middle aged international statesman long comes yet another challenge the high pressure covid nineteen vaccination photocall one of calls have it easy unfairly. Kamala harris just breezed up to the vaccine with loose blouse and an arm and she hoped it up to get the job job done harrison fill the need to come in a form fitting shirt But there's no simulation that the patient needs to be semi nude. The medic. Didn't not tap the needle as instruc- now looked like tom selleck on the beach in one thousand nine three and that's exactly what the prime minister of greece mid so's takas. The prime minister of greece had dumfries vaccine chair. He basically had a missed. Nineteen eighties a fitted. Pierre cardin shut That showed off his rippling muscles and had the problem and he couldn't so tight he couldn't get it over his shoulder. So i had to take the buddy thing off. Now i mean. I don't think i'm going to have to have a photo call when i have. My vaccine is highly unlikely. But i'm just gonna probably wear loose loose-fitting cardigan that i can roll up the sleeve and i suggest that probably when boris johnson donald trump Going get a vaccine to they. Were something very similar. I wouldn't wear the tight fitting shirt that are that are different. Miss asakusa was wearing the day. I mean he has I mean i was gonna site baywatch bald but David hasselhoff would be a jealous of this of this six. Pack is As not a they always say. There's no meter therapy. And in this case. That's definitely the case. So the reynaud embodied nine hundred seventies vava is back in the electric air to cool. Things happened in nine hundred. Seventy david bowie became ziggy stardust. And i do apologize in advance. I know that one of my very loyal lovely listeners doesn't like david bowie. She sees every time she sees bowie. She thinks as area and Figuring that he was in basically in labyrinth and it it does scare her so i will send you an edited version of the podcast without any mention of the Blonde david bowie anyway. The reynaud launched the the sink sink. A flash of french-style the added to the luster of the continental club britain with the join the following. Yeah very the european adventure gone but the reynaud five. The little hatchback soap-opera in britain everybody from commuters. The boy raises even john. Lumley had one is takes us back to the launch earlier in the week of electric taken france bestselling carbon seventies from the Sympathetic to the towel. Struggling with sagging sales and scandal renos hoping richer hit in the tracks of the new mini v. w. new beetle and theory. Five hundred by tapping baby boomers nas. Dowager have been tar. My grandchildren Is also said to be a high-tech homage to the seventies icon would set the price that many can afford unlike the bmw's expensive tribute to the swinging sixties mini. But anyway. It looks like it's coming in in. The robin is yellow. The doing some of the seventies pastel colors. You never see now Pukes green line green ted brown And then this mustard yellow. Why did they have these anymore. They didn't have the me mine. I remember roger moore in the persuaders driving around in the mustard colored aston martin but what wasted painted aston martin mustard color. It really looks like you've had rubber too much coleman's on your sandwich and you to take to deliver the bonnet But anyway so the renaissance back the is back from the seventy s. And i'm sure many people beginning out there and and purchasing one in the electric style. Okay so we have our twenty-one liberty to joe biden and we have a v limerick today but shortly his cat lets us know the your ass might be massive although while it seems like a fos if you hide it will need to get smaller growed and then We have a scientific limor. Mosquito cried out in pain. A chemist poison. My brain the calls his sorrow was para laura differential trite corps thing. Did i get that right. You know what i think. I need a gold star. I think i pronounced completely ride the try. Poor thane the pain. Let's have one less. Have one more as well. We'll we'll let dismiss the last one. There was a young lady of. Niger smiled as she wrote on a tiger. They returned from the ride with the lady inside. And the smile on the face of the tiger so bs rambling the bramble for the best honey. Using beezus historians might seem like a flight of fancy. But they're honey has provided a new insight into how the british landscape changes the possible years. Research is identified the plants that bees visit most often by analyzing the dna of the pollen grains trapped in honey gathered from the high across the country the results compared with a similar recco made in nineteen fifty two by scientists who painstakingly use microscopes to identify similar honey pollen. The beast is since the study showed a taste of honey altered to white clover known for producing a mild tasting. Honey has been the most important part plan for the insects since the fifties but with fear. Pastas today an increase of herbicides in inorganic fertilizers. It has dropped to second. Place is important. Nectar source now is bramble found in hedgerows and way spaces with results in an amber colored. Runny honey nine shirts floor and taste two relative newcomers. Also important oral say drape i formed in the sixties and himalayan balsam. We should introduce an eight thousand thirty nine and natasha. Their head of the conservation research the national botanic garden well says bass providing a pitcher. Uk's net to resources honeybees are amazing for this if they find an abundant source of go out and forage for that resource very diligent indeed. So big question of view. All of you who are watching the inauguration the day on wednesday and saw bernie sanders sitting on his own With a big old anorak on Looked like it was. He was scott of the antarctic to be honest but he had these most impressive medal. Most impressive mittens But he was he sitting at the back. Did he getting confused or something. Do these sing the back. Look thinking the community hall of something waiting for the bingo korla. I mean. I can imagine him of raising his mittens in the air shouting bingo When it's t number eighty eight or something which is that his age at he's an old chap anyway. isn't it But but i'm sure i mean the whole thing went viral. I'm sure that whoever made those mittens is islam for a huge increase of sales in february. I think everybody will be doing the bernie. Sanders mittens the bernie mittens as they will be now known as the will keep you a warm for any new england winter so with the Do james bond film no time to die delayed yet again till october. Bond fan of villain suspect of ian fleming's great theft. The slate plaque from the grave of the in fleming has been stolen villages near the author's final resting places. The culprit is a james bond. Superfan will maybe a super villain in this case the phlegm The fleming family obelisk in the village of seven hampton swindon carried plaques to the author and his wife amazon casper is stood there fifty years in the grounds ascend. Jane's church but one morning. It was discovered that the plaque featured in the author's name and the latin phrase omnia perfunctory vitae. Premier mazas meaning having enjoyed prizes. You now decay does not being ripped from the stein their visit as being taken by a fan who is obsessed with the bond series and that it may not be recovered fleming naval intelligence officer. Who worked for the as a foreign sunday. Times is buried at the site in nineteen sixty. Four sally houston of the swindon heritage desecrating. The graves awful thing to do. This is one of those places where fans a from all the will make a pilgrimage visit. I mean i think if they're going to find this. I think they need to look at all inactive volcanoes. I think the obelisk will be whipped. Life fell in an inactive volcano. Maybe with white cap resting upon it. That just just sh- chardonnay darker. That's the that's where it is now. In an inactive volcano possibly in japan so british actor christopher biggins laid a golden egg is fifty years too late but today we can give the great british actor some overdue recognition. Thanks to tip from christine phillips. Who's part worked for the agency. That made the i advocate for the crappy cremate in nineteen seventy-one at feature. The john exuberant chicken. Whose feathers were a young actor. Who with a memorable name of christopher biggins. It's true says the darling of the pandemic stage i had such fun flapping around outrageously how unlike the rest of his career begins already. Had experience of animal suits playing bear opposite judi dench in a winter's tale but fritz chicken addition he decided that i play it. Straight is very cautious. Dahlan he said. And i could tell if they were bowled. Then i got up. Gave allowed school. Collect behind an alabaster. Reaganite bought they crept up and gave me the job. So i mean talking of capris cream eggs. I mean i the image i need to breed the image of begins laying and egg any said vague platinum gold silver bronze or or. Maybe even a ten egg or wouldn't egg a distant. Want to think about it but an but how do you eat your camrys chromatic. But i used to be the great advert On the uk During eighty. how'd you eels. I mean people who like you know. Stick their tongue into the insert a tongue into the egg and look out all the goodness it like the you know the fond onto whatever is like a yoke. Isn't it. some people do that. And then i seem people. I don't know how they do it. They they sort of the chocolate to leave The camden i mean. It sounds like a very sticky mess and one way you may have to wear surgical gloves or something to topple that dead and gigging on your handed. I mean that stuff so sticky. I mean you could. You could probably put up wallpaper with With the with the fondant from mccaffrey's cream egg. I mean that's a good idea because ever ever you get bored working from home you can lick the wallpaper and have a taste of the cameras kramer. It'd be absolutely delicious. But anyway. I think i've read the image of biggins langley act now so i should be fine but how do you eat yours. Okay so with that. With back with the twenty one lyrics for joe biden We have limerick number seven in number seven ladies visas that was a young lady from q. Who said as bishop withdrew. The vicar is quicker and thicker and slicker and four inches longer than you and then and then we have. The next one we have number eighty a A lady wants triplets. Bhagat named not and patent tat though is fun breeding. The trouble was feeding. it was not fit for tat. Lovely writer in london. Time as we said. Emma duncan when zoom meetings get boring. Just say dawn it. She says the struggle to bed tension and online meetings means that. I'm spending a lot of time with the kind of threat you don't find on twitter in real life meetings. You condemned to sit still with a expression a thoughtful interesting you face when we people are banging on zoom meeting. There's nothing to stop you. Giving the temptation to rome. While appearing to be fascinated by the debate of structural economic reforms you can read indian. Newspapers recess fabrics. I've now cracked the problem in recent meetings. I found myself didn't disconsolately the moth hold my jumper so gone out of sewing kit and started donning donning ladies and gentlemen. We talk about this. I mean as i said before in down socks. But can you. Don on depends. That's the big question. So she got out the sewing kit and started dawning bingo donning. It turns out occupies bits of my brain. That meetings don't and stocks my fingers taking me down. Rapper wholesome wikipedia so this something pleasing about willing away. The long hours of the twenty first century with a very nineteenth century activity. I think this is the thing these. This is gen. Z is at doing there more. Hardy bunch here than reading lovely article which we may be talking about some point next couple of days about Gen z is and how much hardier than the millennials And these gen. Z is going for a tough time at the moment they have to do schooling home Then it back to school than back at home so they have to be much more resilient but you know maybe that's a whole thing. Maybe the donnas the next generation of donna's could be the gen zia's. That's that's my hope. I mean this is the big thing. On the podcast. Yorkshire puddings yorkshire pudding association. America kicked off last week. That's one big thing. Donning is the next donnas of america the gen z dom of the future. That's what we're looking for okay. So this should have made it into trump trombones but it's just is even is even better is even better than trump from so anguished ray pizzas. Says he's at his wit's end off the space alien. Zap dismisses with a path lasted right which turned into a toffee. crisp. Radio. insists there were. No problems is twenty and marries to instead. He might come home thursday night to find his wife missing with a mysterious talk crystal in the kitchen floor there. Twenty two million dollar five veteran house. I mean you think the two million dollar five bedroom house they might have gone for You know a beautiful swiss chocolate. You know something like serious. What would the milk with came from alpine cows us and thank and the cocoa flaked two goals instead of the humble toffee crisp. The sixty two year old former security manager from brentwood essex at hates toffee. Chris and so two line. There's no other way would be one in the house so then it struck me have been some weird lights over a house most recent. Ufo's most probably so it made perfect sense links being turned into a toffee crisp by some aliens. Special reagan former boxing club owner. Ray said he worked into the early hours of friday scrubbing kitchen. In case there was any space contamination left by the moon men. The scrap dealers said. I was also forced to roll up the whole carpet and fraud in the just in case there was radioactive blowback from the ufo. There's any cctv may chucking a rolled up rug into the heavily. That explains that Four freelance lender. Ray said with judah fly out holiday to gran canaria for fortnight. I would hardly have put the holiday. If i'd been planning to kill would i. Not anyone mentioned are being killed. She's being tend to do a cross toffee by space aliens. So if you've got a super lasers zappa to if you got the super lays over. I mean that would melt the chocolate and toffee. I'm you'd have a molten chocolate toffee mess on the floor. it wouldn't be a whole toffee crisp. It would be ten molten because there's a space apple so we can't be her as a toffee chris. I'm sorry you know. I'm gonna put my judges wiggle wig and i say this chap's guilty unless he findings and maybe malls bar carry amac or or or twelve. I mean i mean anything counter medicine it would be melted the floor the terrible mass. You'd be mopping david bleach. So there is a new show coming on very soon Regarding henry the first wife catherine of aragon but little do people know that he married his brother's widow so when april the twenty first fifty nine the day everyone had been dreading arrived. Henri to to succumb to two burglars and his sons succeeded him. The seventy zero prince henry became prince henry. The eighth king henry awkwardly one of the first acts was to marry his brother's widow. Catherine of baragan is fitting. That's the first thing is did as king was to get married because of the twisted history henry. many ways would be the thing he ultimately became most famous for. But there is. There is a show coming on Very very soon about catherine of aragon And an absolute absolutely fascinating because apparently catherine walls. Henry's favourite wife. And i think the show is going to depict that so. Japan's high tech laboratory is privy to your vital signs. The japanese companies developing a high-tech intelligent laboratory that will help Health tips and warnings by using artificial intelligence to analyze human waste. The wellness toilet will provide the equivalent of the medical checkup. Every time he uses sits down senses in the seat or record a person's pulse and blood pressure while technology embedded in the ball. Not abou- will take stolen. Urine samples analyzing vara connections referred to it as the internet of toilets. Navigator uses will receive feedback. Included warnings to visit the doctor. I mean the thing is though. I mean i i mean. It's the most private place in in the house. I don't know if. I want an alert going off just because i had Too many too much rich food to eat my a decalator playing up or You know i had a ruby murray. I mean i i don't. I don't think i want to know that. I don't want to look off. It's embarrassing it is. It's gonna make me blush if a siren starts going off off our used the toilet. I mean it's going to make me reluctant to to go to the guard or in the future But apparently the company Total self awash lit. A lavatory will built in shower. Squirts uses bottom clean while and then blow. Dry is it. I mean again. If you blow drying a baltim- i mean some blow dries. Have to be a little bit more sturdy than others so if you know if you go i mean if lockdowns being toughened new mullet on now i mean you need to more sturdy hadra and maybe you need to comb it out and blow dried out. Straighten down thing. You know if if that's the case. But i don't think i'm going to be installing this japanese toilet. I much prefer. I think i'm just going to go completely back in time to go back to the honey card and probably deceased newspaper instead. That's what i'm doing. No more no. More of of ai toilets. So we're all crazy about sea shanties. Apparently if any point during this pandemic woken up your claim to mark buckling in unexpected directions against the wind. Then sea shanties might just be the cure or at least your next working from home soundtrack. These wrongly cheerful tunes about whisky whaling boats and bonnie had last is traditionally sung by greasy men to help them stay synchronized on tasks such as hoisting sales or holding in fish despite falling out of fashion. These songs recently made a surprise revival when restless into north started hijacking melodies competing with a hammer laptops the latest fat of lockdown escapism and posting their efforts under the hashtag see shanti shanti talk the word of scurvy seasickness and sailing. The high seas reminding the whole limi- thing why they call us line is because we got scurvy The the english. That's you know we were called lime. You across the whole world is we didn't take in citrus food but still the something in me stoic coaster endurance it is resonating with the world right now while the sea shanty hashtag has been around since mid two thousand and twenty. The trend began to catapult on december the twenty seventh table beating hands at the scottish singer. Nathan evans who works at the postman when he's not posting videos himself thumping hard surfaces to keep his james in time. What are the most popular. Numbers is accused version of the wellman. Which is the wailing song is meant to be. It's mesmerizing the sea shanty. Tiktok videos has been viewed sixty million times. The simpler the sea shanty. I think we're in a better position. Now i imagine if you had a bad case of scurvy. You wouldn't build a jig. You wouldn't be able to do the sea shanty. Jake and i mean forget. It wouldn't lag. I mean you know if you've got a wooden leg Or a salt water air or something is affecting your balance. You wouldn't be able to shanti. I mean that's my my thinking and how about if you go to patch your is that must do all sorts of weird things to your coordination. So i think the kids. These days might have been a better place but you know a sea. Shanty is in the sea shanty rebound wooden leg an eye patch and may be a nasty bout scurvy okay. We continue twenty-one limerick salute to joe biden with next one him there wasn't old man it's number nine. It wasn't old man in a tree who was horribly bored by when he said does it bows he replied yes it does. It's a regular route of be and then we have a we have number number eleven. Shoot with a hippopotamus with bullets made of platinum. Because if i use latin ones. His height is shorter. flatten them. I mean i. I mean naked. Call and get somebody to click off these limericks. I feel that. I've done more than i probably More than number eleven. Or maybe last sooners this any regular listener to the podcast knows. I need an abacus. Firstly to count the the number episodes in common cauliflower cheese and then secondly to keep counter the the limerick salute joe biden and twenty. One works so going. Back to the inauguration Question was i mean. It looked like sesame. Street was at the inauguration mixture of Sesame street and the muppets could be at the inauguration. We're not talking about ted cruz or a mitch. Mcconnell here we're talking methods. The muppets opposite left the white house. You know But you had big bird perching on lady gaga talk Then oscar the grouch at the back in mittens sitting on his own but of course the muppet family had just left the white house. You know it was like the muppets and now leaving the building. Amendable elvis style. So we have another married english shank so according to local history the fifth duca portland was far from matt in a time of poverty workshop. Mansfield and district dukes evacuations an expeditions. Were in fact a make work project providing a living fifteen thousand workmen for eighteen years. At an annual cost of hundred thousand pounds the subterranean work included the digging of flood. Dykes no ponds benthic. Who was at one. Stage developed a passion for digging glass tot tunnels toll enough to fruit trees. Set to been inspiration for mr badgering kenneth grams. Wind in the willows said. There's no security peace and tranquility except underground. His most ambitious project was a ten thousand square foot. Great hall dug out of clay. He painted the ceiling like a sunset and carved out a beautiful bullseye skylights to let the sun however the was reclusive surprise surprise and never invited anybody over. He preferred to use it as a solo roller skating rink. According to obscure so now onto trump bone won't be take some of the worst headlines of the week and equate into a why wa sad trombone or the inimitable trump Scientists find fifty million year old fossil penis at previous an unknown. An assassin bug that died over fifty million years ago has been found in almost perfect condition colorado. It wasn't me found the penis by the way it's rather small creatures like the bug lease. Such complete fossils and paleontologists are particularly interested in this tiny predators penis. Donald swanson one of the team from the university of illinois is examining the fossil and said it's a rare treat these tiny details health swanson with his colleagues determined the bug from the species It The fossil dates back to the sierra an aids at began with a hothouse verve ended with two major asteroid strikes With android antarctica. Come from a green continent to a frozen wasteland. Small fossils like this and bug rally survived upheavals but the telltale genitals atop to ended protective. Shell is like a cop is almost like a uncircumcised bug is like a cup harder like the rest of the ak skeleton that contains all of the typically soft internal pas insects genitalia so it is like an ancient jurassic foreskin. That's basically what is an ancient skin. But but i'm wondering if if they could breathe life into this mummified member and a restaurant aims to potentially the first in the uk to entirely run by robots to cut the risk of spreading viruses. The owners of a high song lou hotpot barbecue. Restaurant said small robot. Waiters will bring food to the customers in a contact venue. they say automated diners. The ideal way to operate during the coronavirus pandemic the police officers of urgency of your to reject the application statement. The owners say it will be contactless restaurant. Run by robot waiters to reduce the risk of human to human contact due to virus transmission risk but due to the covid nineteen epidemic the catering industry lobby affected as the virus pandemic continues to rage. We've injured a robot run restaurant that helps the business to run smoother Made it sounds absolutely absurd. It's one of the first automated Restaurants police say the air is the high number of pubs bars and restaurants with crime and disorder issues and fed that the road boss may be stolen but i mean i wonder if these robots are up amazon. Roma's robots if you tip fifteen percent would this go to jeff bezos or ill mask maybe And i wonder if the ultra efficient intelligence of the sibol would know that. I wanted the next scoop of ice cream. In the bizarre desert snowfall is a sign of bieber glenn times prophecy believers stating snow falling two different desert. This week is convinced senate Some that it sir. Biblical prophecy come full telling the ended. Today's on sunday. It snowed in saudi arabia's asset province for the first time in fifty years with local media reporting temperatures fell below two degrees celsius. Previous wednesday snowed in the algerian town of insofar commonly known as the gateway to the sahara now the fourth consecutive winter the snow or ice have been reported in the typically dry region before that is being a stretch of thirty seven years since last night. Four that's global warming folks without a doubt but i'm dreaming over one apocalypse. I mean i mean what next one hunt camel or dictator leader with leprechaun hands okay. So it's been a packed show today. I think we've reached number. Twelve on the twenty one limerick to joe biden we continuing tomorrow with more clean and dirty. Limericks some that as i said. I don't think even bleach would get the dirt out of some of these lyrics. They're so bad But also we're gonna get a Independent order to count. How many limericks we have done so far is i have lost count. I think we're up to eleven. Who knows people may want the old extra you know. Double bonus limerick But we'll be doing that tomorrow. In the podcast. We'll be back tomorrow for double bonus edition of the podcast. Even podcast not pop. Pop cost But there but before we go. We all Try in a descending to the potting shed to see percy grower and he's got a little gardening type dimmer no shake you. There might buoy. Yeah gold cup lemur exceed a hidden. There's a tree in the garden with fruit so delicious is sweetness suggested nothing malicious but the by for mankind would open his mind to a knowledge of opposites much to pernicious and then we have another one another buoy year the sages admonish issues pursuits. To soften nego go to strengthen the roots work epa swelter over hunger shelter but learned to subsist. Don't intangible fruits think it. So we never got round to bake potatoes. Or liz hurley. Making marmalade in the bikini. I promise we'll have them to more tomorrow. With trump will trombone We do have a Tender situation a medieval tend to situation Approaching tomorrow as well and We all say we'll be opening reopening the angler mt guard with some more antique foods That we used to eat in the seventies and eighties continuing that egypt. But i keep cheese on twitter kikkoman coming cauliflower cheese instagram across all the platforms from spotify to apple. I tune iheartradio Likened subscribe. I would greatly greatly appreciate it and i'll be back tomorrow but we're gonna finish with one of joe biden's famous poets shameless any. The cure troy humans. Being suffered the torture one another they get hurt and get hard poem or play or song can fully right or wrong inflicted and endured history says. Don't hope on this side of the grave and then once in a lifetime. The long tidal wave of justice can rise up and hoping history rhyme so hope for a great sea change on this phosphide of revenge believe that the fava shore is reachable from here believe in miracles and cures and healing wells. Coal miracle self-healing the self revealing double take a feeling this fire on the mountain and lightning and storm. God speaks the sky. The main someone is hearing the outcry birth cry of new life at its term. It means once in a lifetime that justice can rise up and hope and history rhyme. I'm hoping we'll see a new age of poetry off to the wonderful. Amanda gorman's recital at the inauguration was absolutely fantastic. I mean poetry's wondrous it sir. It stirs the soul. But then we go. That's keep coming cauliflower cheese. We'll be back tomorrow sharyo for now money.
I'm A Celeb: Privy Problems, Nessun Dorma and Matt Edmondson
"Hello and welcome to hell. Thanks to my boss does. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here. Normally this podcast. Where jordan. And i help you navigate the challenges of modern life and we will get back to that once jordan has left the castle whenever that is as you may have tweaked by now where identifying as the official home for those who wish to get behind jordan and support him during his time away on primetime tv until he's voted out walks or crowned new episodes. We review every day keeping you up-to-date with everything that's going on in the council and that reminds me if everyone listening to this podcast. Right now voted five times on the free imus celebrity app then the hundreds of thousands of votes our jordan. So don't delay vote vote. Vote vote and vote all the information socials or on the imus at mit socials. As to how you can vote as you know. I'm william hamson usually an etiquette coach and author. I'm abreast of pheasant whereas jordan's more best peasant now unlike the tv show. There isn't an opportunity to vote anyone out of this podcast. there were. I know who'd be the first to be booted off. Hello ben hi guys we we you saying it was hanging off mail you because it's very humble. If it's i'm saying. I think you may be missed the inference. Maybe we should do it on social media. Let's on twitter. See weapons on confident. How has your evening last night. My evening last night was good. It was a frantic day. But i settled down. Nine o'clock put online tv and gender bonham rare bottle of debris. I put it on ebay made about five hundred pounds safer and and i had a gene de and enjoyed the program. There was a lot that went on this. It was an exciting program and so exciting on social media. It was the second pickety. Friday so lovely. See how how did it go. Gene davis get involved very well. What was in your bikita. I had a city dinner. I sat at the table and had dinner chicken burgers with some nice broccoli. Sweet potatoes city dealer city. That's that's the opposite pitching. Oh you sit down and you have dinner. I is in the city london. Oh sites it certainly and saying that people that haven't canary warf a meal deal waitrose canary war. Yeah probably know city. Sit down dinner. Well honest with you. A city Sound anywhere near as exciting as a picky. And i've had a bit of an idea right so obviously last night was the penultimate friday of the show. The final friday of the show is the final of the show. so that if a tongue twister So my thinking is if all the gene davis get together and vote for jordan off over the next week is that next week. We supersize day. Friday okay so. I want as many davis to do do it. In a big way butts with one special guest and much more special than the special guest we had on the podcast day kerry katona. The new special guest is you. You're going to have a picky t. what's next friday. If jordan is in the final of arm sexy coming out of yes agree. Can you agree. And i think bashes no thinking we don't do things was my boss just doing and we're going to be doing a picky to and because this time next week we both live in london. London is going to be in tier two instead of lockdown so two very different amounts of london f. Yeah very different. I'm thankful for that. But what it means is that we could go to the same iceland and pick up as much frozen delight brown frozen delight. I am not having frozen delight into pitchy. I'm ruling out now brown frozen to lie okay. I thought you're in that kind of thing but anyway we'll go twice and picky t ingredients and do to get well not together. We'll be apart. But we're going to do as a founder of gene davis in support to hashtag behind jordan. Dale you can do you do on. Don't mess me around. So manly yes fine. I guess if jordan's in the finally if he's no i'll have. I'll have a cry coming up later. I'll be chatting to radio one's madman's it's quite strange seeing him in a different environment and yeah he feels so comfortable with everybody and i think that's kind of his his big scale. I've just found it. Amazing watching him. I feel like. I've learned lots about him and i just think it's nice that the rest of the world is gave to see what we see all of the time now for those. That are not watching. What started to happen now in the competition is that you vote not for people who want to be wanted to do the trial but you vote for people to stay and obviously the person with the fewest votes leaves the competition and we had our first of those last night and holly was voted out. She and mb left the council. Can you hurry up. And so you just want to drink a day and so. I think we should toast to holly. It wasn't quite sad to see her. Go and see the kemp broken up over there. Let's raise this. This is not for the we do. The discussion relate raise glasses. Holly arnold. what is had to that. Because i feel like you've china-bound before in the podcast where if you're a wedding or something and one of the people on the we're taking too long. They're toast is just not good etiquette and what. You've there is a bit too long for me. Artist like right. Well thanks very much. Not normally with a with a toast. It is short you can do it a preamble to the toast but talking right chicago hospice for our lovely beautiful granddaughter shade. I know that no you just to go radio asses sheila or raise your glasses. What did you just do that. Because i did the preamble. I then i did the raise your glasses so if we were standing than we would stand at that point and then you toast when a bill event along for me well talking you things that go along. Why don't you explain about how competition works can things that can compliment anyway. Yes the hashtag behind jordan competition is of course back. There will be an instagram post on at sex. My boss and all you have to to enter. The competition is to comment on that post tagging in a mate who thinks the day and one lucky commentator will win to pre mixed bottles ogden bonnie to premiss cocktails offer that choice and there is some choice on the bottle bartenders website. And so yeah get coinciding talking love to see it and actually that reminds me of the gentleman i we haven't talked about this just podcast to punish losses in. We live in it. Yes see even stephen center photoshop. S you put it on our social media waitrose website. Sorry this product is unavailable goodness. May first they took the toilet paper then the puzzle. What will those orders do next. Twenty twenty really has been grandma could miss may but is true. I'm imagining some. Push people right now. Fence william sat somewhere sitting in this country. Just logan's onto the waitrose website going onto dubna bonnie and thinking what quite fancier day of the weekend yes lease unavailable. This has happened for forty years. What's going on with little. Would they know that. It's all down to some sexting instant. Gene davis can we talk about the titles actually before we go into the nitty gritty of last night and episode. I finally worked out having watched the titles for. I may fourteen days now. What letter jordan is in in the titles. And so we haven't seen the titles there's helicopters that fly in holding these big literally letters of the form the program's title and jordan is in the sea. He's the biggest see up. There and jordan is on cleaning duty for the laboratory and there was some discussion controversial between aj and a few others as to who had perhaps messed the lou causing jordan have to clean it even though that is his duty. Anyway and aj pointed the finger firmly jordan having done some social experiment. Yeah weird because the only person that should be doing social experiments around harry's tire clearly he's an so aj it's back-off plays and also back off from moaning about jordan who des usually is blaming jordan for that. He doesn't he doesn't have an idea who did it. I don't care about is investigation. However talking therese homes our own. Private investigator on this podcast. We have a bit of a little project for retirees. If you're if you're up for jordan sort of walked around before he went off to clean the lou citing the if you tinkle when you sprinkle please be swayed by the seat now. I am sure that i taught him that. In the first or second series of this podcast. Wow so time if you have. You have a couple of days to spare if you happen to listen and you find it. Please let me know. You'll probably recent make it and it'll be actually jordan. Who georgia to me. It will be completely the wrong way round. But i'm i'm that ryan is i can't go into y know that ryan someone's sources somebody on as house until it was horrid and i thought was hilarious. So that's why it's ingrained on my mind. You quick things on that tirees. You'd anything by the way tightness in to name a few homeless Doesn't actually need you to do anything. Secondly if we've done this whole podcast now for five series if you basically teaching jordan energy davis the right way to live our lives see jordan's also sharing his opinion. The one thing you're saying the one thing the he's taken from this podcast silly around about weighing on the same. That's your legacy. Your mother must be so froude. Then russell watson gave a burst forth of opera. He sang that little sung song. Nessun dorma which i think jordan probably thought was the type of caravan proud of that long as well. Thank you for criticizing me with that. Because i do that in our. What's that group. And the next thing. I know i've been open twister in an ad break and You popped it on the socials but not not crediting means. That's where work. Unfortunately i see a funny to a controlled. Say control the send and you were. The latest picks him of that unafraid. Also terms conditions. Have being podcast is there any of your opinions are then owned by the podcast of the house i can i can do with them. What they will and that's why did brine okay. Great thanks a few likes. And i mentioned near the start this podcast i will do anything for lights including savaging one of my closest friends and he was always interesting faced. Legend davis what vernon said that he said psych. That was what he said when he got victoria. In last night's episode psych jordan jordan sang so well not he then had the arrest to tell the diary room camera that he thinks he'll be on broadway this time next year. Probably penzo as he did as he did. Actually then qualifying few people on twitter. Matthew and heather on twitter said oh what happens if jordan are no gets cast as bert. Mary poppins well. I think that would be the point that i stopped getting. Mary poppins if he replaced it. Dykes rolling. i can't see moment. Where jordan's in the west end following dick. I think jordan's got the pep to actually the very peppy. Charming this fellow and that is exactly what you're but he's from the as from london not lancashire lancaster version and actually funny that you mentioned that saddam low. I would watch that. I would enjoy that and probably was what she likes. You have a bit more legroom than i do in those theatres in london. Goodness gracious me. Anyway i did of investigating of my own and i found broadway in accrington lancashire. So you've wanted thing to worry about. I think that's what jordan was talking about. When he said he was going to be on broadway he was just going to visit town in his home. County like okay. Fine they then did the chambers of horror trial aj. Shane were doing it. Not not not jordan out. They won eleven stars. They had to. They were buried underground. This box put on their head that also things in pretty grim at says. Well i was completely find watching them as disgusting as they. All and they won they won venison for for the camp nother everyday normal food that they haven't been an intense household but actually all of of all of the food that that can't mention been given i think venison is actually probably the nicest i would be completely fine with venison yummy if you know you're with it even if you know during that you can't really go wrong with it So yeah venison good and for the next episode of moss chef. This time tomorrow come back and listen again. Goodness man you're going fund some runs today on you. Once the van was delivered. It was also announced that this would be the last meal that they all have as much like the last supper jordan. Then said it was kind of finding out this news. It was kind of like going out for a meal with your other half and then dumping them before. The starters arrive which is obviously very bad etiquette if anyone is thinking of dumping. Anybody obviously can't out for male at the moment anyway but when you can go and do that at least waiting into the bill it out when avai there that listening to the podcast and yeah just in the middle of getting dumped. That would be awful. Shane when they all leyland dwelled on on the fact that they were potentially about two one of them was going to leave. Maybe even more they didn't know at. Shane said we met strangers. That we leave as best as well. Well you don't think you're actually slag off. Your best is in then pretend to be their friend the next day. Shame if anything you do a podcast with them and bitch their faces chance the way to do but as she do this actually at this stage and i just take a moment to say it getting really changed my life when we met see weeks ago who we take off the malls. Bunch of love is emotional but whatever they being very close for such a long period of time i can see why they got so emotional and then end debt came in to reveal the the public vote who would be leaving and eero paralympian. Holly onnell's was the first to go. It wasn't actually emotional watching them. We'll say goodbye to her. I mean yeah. It reminds you of quickly. It's gone we were sitting here two weeks ago. And we just. I think recording fest causing so excited about jordan going now it off see the signifies almost the end and goodness gracious the nerves aunts and economics after next at break. One of the celebrities was going to leave. And obviously we've gone through this podcast journey just fall in love with jordan as is so many people but a monument always like god. If jordan could could guy right now that would be. I was very nervous watching that and we cannot be complacent so gene. Divas if you want jordan to get further in this competition do please vote for him. Remember the imus at. Mit app is free to download. You get five free votes per day. Vote for jordan. Because you vote for someone to stay in will the information on our socials on the island celebrity website and socials obviously find find an opportune moment. Find a quiet night. Not quite fifteen seconds. Wet notion lots going on like this jordan's joke of the week. My first wife agreed to a day. After i gave her a bottle of water. You could say. I sweat offer the nowadays. We'll be back after a few short messages. Hello there this message is coming to you from the history. 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Name's rich williams joan. School next door is our brand new. Podcast you're going hopefully a bit more than you love. Your neighbor says new episode every wednesday search for as wherever you listen t podcast to find out. What all the fuss about your neighbors you might as well listen to the people that hate us guest today is someone who has the displeasure of over the radio airwaves to jordan. It's none other than weekend breakfast. Host matt edmondson. Hallo matt i lo- the how all you yes. We're good thank you. How do you think jordan is getting on in the castle so far. Well i think if he isn't king of the castle. Something's gone horribly wrong. I think he's doing incredibly well. It's been really quite weird. And i'm sure it's been the same for you because i know jordan i'm It's quite strange seeing him in a different environment and yeah he feels so comfortable with everybody. And i think that's kind of his is big scale. The anyway planned in life is just the. He's he's someone you want to hang out with when he's around. I've just found amazing watching him. I feel like. I've learned lots about him and i just think it's nice that the rest of the world is to see what we see all of the time. Yes absolutely now when you oversee. What with him radio one. Can you remember meeting him for the first time and how he came across. Well i know. I can't remember meeting for the first time because the first we actually met was when he wasn't working radio he was just a fan of the radio and we met as big we can. We had our photo taken together. And then years later i discovered the it was. Hey all along these folks so that's the first time we met and i'm sure it was lovely. My abilities the first awareness. I had of him as a personal useless to richard beacons. Podcast and these are the teaboy at five liven. He came across really well. I was thaw. They should just stay jordan on the radio somewhere and then they did So when he gets radio on. I remember the exact time we met. I remember just thinking. Oh he's a nice guy. And also i'd been there a little bit longer than him having the feeling off just wanting to like welcome him with open arms and i've i've watched a few places before where when new people come in people get bit scared or against kind of like territorial yup and so very but jordan didn't experience that and i am happy. Say that radio is quite a nice place. Now there's none of that going well that's good can only be a good thing. What's being jordan highlights from the celebrity. So far i think watching him just conquer. Some of those fears early doors. Obviously he gave us. The highlights is gonna last forever with i vomit and i think actually that either the third or fourth trial the one way to pull himself on the road backwards. I really felt like okay. This guy has gone through an absolute hell of a lot. These last few days and i i feel like that was the moment that he kind of like Stopped being the person has just scared. And start being jordan that we all love and so i think certainly in terms of automates the vomits up there. No one's ever gonna have a better intro. I was to that. But i think i think those moments and just generally his ability to make french particularly with with shane with five. And actually as well I think he's I think he's like everyone's best night. Yes yeah exactly. That's what we love about him. what do you think of the beardless as incarnation jordan. Now that he's Shadow freaking me out freaking me out with him. Yeah yeah. I am not enough of ever seen jordan even without stumpel. You know. I'm trying to think back. And i think the reason that i know i haven't is because i found it so weird to see him without a beard. I also didn't like the many stages in between the shading. But i've i've only ever known him with the bid and i've often thought with with bids whereas the there's maybe something to hide back the covering up some thank a double chin. There's none of that. I but i don't like it but maybe it's because i don't like change. I think i much prefer him. When he's a bit more jaanus from foles than than how he is. Now yes everyone always says. He looks like this. I what from foles looks like but presumably jordan exactly like jordan. Yeah almost like could be related. Who's the best looking. If the to janice falls right now probably right now with this phone don't see nominee is my k. Presented on this podcast. You are radio presenter. Have you struggled with producer. Who's got above their station and tries to develop their way into the mic over time. Yeah yeah and you have to deal with the very rapidly very quickly and very authorities civil rights and can you give me some tactics as to how i could do that Well are you in charge of the failures because you can feed them down. We've got microphones here. Okay maybe unplugged the microphone. Nobody quite useful. I would say. Just try if i dig it suggested and say that's that's good but maybe do something else i think always just give the calm and then suggest something entirely alternative. All complained to management by. You're about as high as it goes on this podcast. You see might complain to yourself. Yes i often do now back back to radio. One you at the moment are used to giving jordan the the airways once you finish your show with his that ever gone wrong. Take gone wrong now. We've We get trouble recently because we were trying to handing network over which basically means that. We're in control of the radio. We've asked you those control. And then we give control over to jordan sheets that he can then do his show and jordan. And i had both agreed that we could do earlier than the in. The soda prescribes time that we could do it during the news rather than after the news and we were both very gung ho about in quite excited that we'd figured out this work around but we we were then told in no uncertain terms that that would not be happening because of tension But now we've not had any massive massive problems handing over to him generally quite slick. What has been weird is the in denic. We've gotten to see him so normally popping for little chat beforehand and we'd have a sort of offaire catch up and see what each other have been up to Obviously because we none of us have been in or or if we have not been allowed in the same room not sort of gone away. So i'm missing are kind of like weekly catch up with him. Yes yes we'll will lots of children about When he when he's around and we heard a few nights ago. And i know you this is radio one fateful also in your wear of this jordan story about young blood and holds e. Yeah yeah do you have a or similar story about jordan that that sticks and we all seem to have i mean i've got about four hundred twelve but we will sit gotta go to jordan anecdote. I remember a big weekend with jordan. Where he he. He didn't want to have something about car. He didn't want to get in car because they want to. Pay for the car. Nasons ryan all and he was he was. He was insistent that he was gonna walk. But as i remember his brother was there and his brother has a disability. I think he s got one leg. That's got one leg and jordan was very adamant that like they were going to walk it and everyone was like well. We're going to get a. He was like no no no. We can walk this pob. Which is fine him to make that decision. I think his brother would acquire lights coming the car so i i remember that quite strongly. I just generally hanging out with him at big weekends. Like he's a good one to get on the coach with when we have to go to and from site because like back of the bus school trip. I'm jordan comes out. It does feel like one of the naughty kids. The back yes. He's over person to sing on coach trip. So that's how i would describe jordan. Yes yes although the. Nothing's going to be that youngblood halsey moment. I remember hearing word happening and thinking part and listening to it really was. That bad is quote i. It's very easy to understand. And i'm sure you've spoken about it before but if you've just heard about it the first time it's youngblood use today. Alsi jordan entering youngblood was told beforehand. Don't mention hosie. Introduces references youngblood as jose. Absolute nightmare did did but mr blunt having watched it. He did sort of cope quite well. He was quite nice generous to join. I think he found the funny side. I think he did. I think he understood that. It was utterly mortifying for jordan but also at that point there wasn't much. I think that could be done about. It is the one thing he was meant to have not said was then said And it's going to go down in radio history as we approach the the final few days of the program won't do you think jordan needs to do or carry on doing to win. I don't think you can calculate something like that. I think the beauty of a show like this is that you can very quickly workout. Who is buying a game. And who is legit and who's being themselves. I think that the fact. He's ge he's literally. I don't think he can be anything else other than what he is. And i think there's something incredibly endearing and likable about the fact. That is really happy to make mistakes or ask questions will get things wrong like the shit mushroom thing was fantastic and i think a lot of people have said that and then got an idiot. I think the fact that jones. I know it is fine of learn. It's funny but sorts of love. ability is what's going to push him to the end also is painter a hell of a lot and so i really hope the british public having made him. Do those files are going to reward him with. You know some of crowd at the end of this matt. Thank you so much indeed for joining us now. Few days ago we had to absolute lands on the show would he and climbing continuing that theme tomorrow be joined by the biggest ladan show-business the former king of the jungle. Christopher biggins this point like to say ben well done we did very good job there because gene divas. We'll let you into behind the scenes secret that initially and i had somehow not pressed record so we didn't tire episodes and now we've had two jewish again double trouble anyway. We will be with you tomorrow with christopher biggins please use the hashtag get behind jordan to show your support on social media. Send it to ask sex. My boss on twitter or instagram. 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Help How Do I Keep it Casual
"I'm on the back of a book yet my second book at got any books out you're on the back of my book how does it feel to be a jacket quote I was well children how's the book doing very well I believe my second book Williams Gusts Second Book out how many of you out children what would you like Oh yes please I'll be self and then what would usually happen is agenda Bonnie please did enjoy having a ged last week don't say it now I want to add after today's episodes could you possibly the Gen please oldest salt or the Buzzer is fine but in Britian we don't say that we're more passive aggressive so instead I'll just give you that bank I would say Jordan which you can Gin oh actually sorry I've just committed a faux PAS so an English etiquette that's not the thing to say in America or any other culture where they quite direct please could you pass me the gin keep leaving Mexico leaving off this a good one as well two books books I'm also writing fiction but we'll talk about next week I've started my biography your twenty-nine we can officially say that now you're twenty-nine why you're writing a biography I ever really what's your biography going to be called I did it Um did you hear about I haven't told you ever know Martino what happened to me all over over the last bank holidays quite a while ago you may want to Wallop the author you actually originally wrote hit yet was changed to wallow because it's a bit softer but you'll also find that what William Hansen says both okay slash books and what's the book of our school blouses entertaining but on can I take issue with what you person before you host any party read this book that's fine you would say could you could you please pass me the gym what did you laugh slave answering bank the world we live on Easter the fun solutions to everyday dilemmas like should you invite your x t a wetted God no no and how many rebuilt bulletins okay take from the hello and welcome to help sexton my foster podcast where we help you navigate the challenges of modern life twenty-first-century question yeah anyway series four episode two Gene Divas thank you for listening as always let's crack on the episode William Gordon would say no thank you but would you like some Gin Oh yes please and then the gen gets passed said we'll do that in action Jordan would you like an Jim Nell thank you unuseful that's fine but why do you want to hit me because sometimes you just want to wallop us yeah and he died at birth on a few drinks so I Gama phone and showed him Kapiti page patient of your officially John Radio Radio presents a if we were sweet treats I'd be millionaire's shortbread and you'd be doing that one no I thought that was funny with the spoon I'm more silver spoon you'll more weatherspoon off London tell you that are still cringe now listen I mean talk about thinking on you fade the toast to myself I don't know if it's a toast to you if it's let's say Jordan's birthday and we toast Jordan Jordan just raises his glass makes eye contact with the people around him back and of course what should you do if you accidentally sex did your boss for knocking usual ideologies oh we really around case leading etiquette expert Joe we're north Jordan and someone asked me the following question which I didn't answer it was a snug Mary kill bit bit dramatic and why do we chose to the best etiquette ever to the best etiquette offer ever William Williamson now because that's the toast to me I don't drink anyway by Jordan called solitary refinement I haven't really started biography Oh oh that just reminds me getting station there's no sex marriage yeah they have to kill bad sorry Ben Shapiro I would kill you nicely quickly yeah but wikipedia you get over the summer I I did my first instagram live whereas answering people's questions do another one soon active is someone opportunist some Saito has set up a parody account for you yeah as fast as I think you were it was it was fosters put him on the counter and the guy asked me for I d really yeah that'd be one Joel North Producer Ben and Christopher biggins oh good well what would you do William Henderson producer Ben Christopher begins so what happened to you got off the tube is called Monday follows a buckle was bunker Monday at a few drinks or some friends and and then puts his glass down I don't say to Jordan that okay will you could say that but it's the drinking bit Paul Bank Holiday Kill anybody but I feel that you would be fine with me killing you you'd understand the other thing we need to talk about is an I'm trying to find twitter now on my luxury ipads to save it still Mary Ben and you'd kill me yeah why he would you do the podcast with dismay semi bathroom my own no been suspended Oh wow I'm glad it's being shutdown are going to start a William Ah lots of smog at Mary do oh darling because pretty much married these days anyway feels like I don't think we could cope and I'd have to kill me at this long and hard I probably smoke begins Oh my God I can say May oh I probably now they finally given up accounts suspended Oh shit no pressure Deaden at Gordon South Oh is it it means current hip happening in it we went for coffee before this and I brought my own takeaway Jordan south so I'm in bed you message your own parody account in bed yeah I'm in bed I can't find this Gordon so of the deleted as education L. Speaking's just to say to begin just to say it's people I've next begins me I have next Christopher biggins just to say it community a young you'd be my dad king to my alive Yang Yeah I'm your your deck but that said I don't really want to snow I didn't Poverty Twitter Account Divas Listening Star I wasn't William Hansen parody account I love you and they're not really parody they were sending quite route stuff them shut down did you served me Oh my God right those people do it you know I am to get like a soft power your license in north London late night off in I do I want instead of Conan shop Gulf achieve and all the shops show it's late night went into the south license okay got pint of milk Kindo full-count reusable cop liberal Ben Who is the worst person I know he's like Oh man got safety earth man no shifts over to you will you hands a little don't go ooh I know my aunt I thought about I mean I did this. Instagram live confronts in human form turned up and used used Takeaway Cup but we do need save the Earth and what he was not health stub using the taping today's boys while ago won't come leave him saying this to tell us I should we should we tell us to rising level of the ocean think of Ben as the water is filling your lungs and your dying is it okay it's call a boss mate no I could have done it found myself doing it setting was he he asked me Friday I didn't know well it because I've lost my wallet over the Summit Yeah Well Seattle BBC pass so I showed him a BBC is pulled in next to me very very quickly sporty Mercedes and the driver looked at me and he was a I believe what is going to skelly in a peaked cap they do that US reported to choice can I just say I have now realised I am awoke than our producer we'll just woke sorry woke I believe so I actually wound down my window and I said I'm sorry and he said had he was from livable continental don't lie it was on the script usually really said Noah Jordan North Radio Presenter I'm more silver spoon your more weatherspoon can't and he was getting really crossed because my car on nearly his call and so we were sort of having this silent dialogue throw windows golden or what is it Gordon South Gordon South Yeah it's it's really stressing me out at first I was convinced producer Ben do nfo is Mikey and I pulled up in a service I was driving back home to sound like a prostitute client Zimbabwe because they were school okay now you flew in the frigging joke debate will it should be boss they can call you what they like so you should call them eight now I can barely like Lodhi Sale Waco and he actually said to me I saw mine on the side at work I should call people are you die yeah when we will drown because of the you spend so much better basically there's a parody twitter account for less than you can't find out in south and it got really weird overnight because I ended up messaging Ah don't open you're right this base other neck bass don't open your fucking daughter me Kalua dish and yet certainly not I don't worry I'm with this no now she's a social term I didn't like maters a social term but it is purely a social if your boss calls and I was driving back to the UK it's London is in the UK and I pulled up in a service station and as a bound to open my car door Macedo calling not knowing that I was about to say Darling Oh my gosh this is really Andrew I'm probably going to get knifed and he then just to just wound up his seven he's never been called and I said this is higher call I said exactly exactly and I said to him I said or I darling calmed down and I said invest here because last week you told us about Brussel no and that came after drinking I have drunk so much Sebastian evolves I have should laddy London now this this lady sneezed and I said Oh bless you and everybody looks at me like where we get blessed what when people snead's these think it was their sole trying to leave the body so they said bless you social yeah now love today is it okay to bless the stranger now I think it'd be weird if you're in the bathroom the giants is it all right to go go to ask that you from I've done it in the gym before as well do you know why we say bless I do know why we say bless you go on tell us we say bless you because in the old days during the black plague in medieval days when people three to everybody that's listening in the Liverpool Merseyside area as it was not okay it's called the bus may know second etiquette question for tonight go from what did he say tell me what you said how did this come from mate and they go out it's not eh trump's ago good us to do that I that's an different contexts L. Golden South is okay it's a blessing stranger if they sneeze me some context I was on on the tube of course because we've all heard it before you retire you look for so thereabouts have apparently Blah Blah beloved ben says go on Bill You pissed the fans if you don't know bill and bad news if you sneezed people saw that you had to play so saying bless you because you're about to die basically now versions help I'm nearly dead sweet right well I've been a wacky where's the weakness I've been finger way for me Joe Book Joke because due to popular demand Jordan office the Boscombe may calling me all my might we need to get still serve yes my also he said I had some clients in both title of his eyes he didn't really know what to do sort of kind of was offended but it was also slightly aroused same time well see yeah right wow I'm just having a Bishop William is drunk again I'm on after this enough to break Jordan's Jelly joke of the week Bill Bennett a pulp bill says to ban flag level so basically what he said he said here's your car's a piece of Shell and I know that surplus but the has gone to my head move onto Williams where he would of the week hey how I wish you had say Williams like his arms and we're not And I will no one else said yes where can a gene divas get you book from from my website was that William Hansen okay you can't slash books believe that Code Jelly joke of the week is back bill embedding approp- bill says thebenz Lubbock Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah bad news to speak I'll tell you the punches blue spoken through my Rogge's this morning my rojas the chorus if official orders to find a word Williams wacky word of the week with due to Popular Demand Doing Jones Jelly joke of the week so we did not know the speak flubber global level of La La la La la La Red lion walks into a bar Bob and says okay the name he said well Trevor I'm I'm being quiet well behaved let's do the ged song so we do this every episode now we've we've come up little jingle a little Song Jingle was thanking Ajay Divas Steven Steven K Mart we and it's basically your chance to win a bottle of demonic because some people still taxed those in tweet we struggle and all the I want the I eat it now presell me when please tell me how in coffee and when I asked where he had been I was expecting to Spain or Greece but he proceeded to explain that he had been for an adult circumcision and Ooh I just got that I'm really proud way too much information about the outcome and recovery brilliant if this wasn't enough another colleague chipped in to say his teenage son had been done mile and had taken some time off to rest after the operation in addition to this news he explained in lots of water and during the operation and circumcised circumcised which I stereotypically people think people from the Jewish religion although presented from percentage point boys gate don't recently colleague was off work for weeks I seemed he must have been off on vacation holiday when he returned a few of us bits so is this and medical information and acceptable topic for a work environment kind regards James why did he get circumcised I think this compensation will be count when you get circumcised what circumstances circumcised just clicked institute tough age for that kind of thing and then interupt into an episode of embarrassing bodies with people trying to outdo each other with medical I'm using your podcast but love it and now making my way through go back catalogue grow up and says the end Willie and he sees leaves so calm homeboys give me the I always miss the on boys bed yeah right any church not says or anything like that yeah well if you want to send in your question sprinkles a few pupils in it so beautiful I let please believe announce it this is from James this is and all this where does it go why don't you think it gets made into a bar snack or anything that little bit floppy skin I'm aware of that is yes fighter if you write a handwritten letter you get handwritten response from me back Yep he addresses on the website William Kiss Lipstick Balk perfumes in great question privacy do you knock on the stall if the thanks I think it's just courteous to say especially when you get sick I would you say insist nothing I said throw up following a conversation at work I wanted to check their topics off limits for the work environment uh-huh you can go to our website say said my boss Dot Com Click on context we love your lessons we love your emails we can send them to us on instagram however we didn't really mind assumes Americans as well regardless of your of Americans and sometimes medically as well sometimes you circumcised what did he do you folks get I've always taking some time off for various reasons for prime private reasons or maybe just say I've just been on holiday and just make it up don't talk about certain things but then and you know join me to come in and help you know it stinks it just had a terrible evening my husband's female address at sixty by bus help thanks to my boss Dot com help us oh my bus dot com if you're on the Senate as a quick email or you could even ride in Israel the Yes in hormones that come with it what should you do if someone is crying in a public restroom I do I attempt to console them or give some out and you'll get me going cold on the table outside of the restroom that is one of them you've got a judge discuss about when you call on coming up tomorrow I'm getting trained off seven the topic it's fine as long as no one's from comfortable and you know we stop trump just needs some of it and as long as nobody feels uncomfortable I feel happy advice should been good these past couple of it depends who they are if if there's someone you know obviously you help them you'd be the Good Samaritan geico person bigger person just say you okay put over the shoulder and it's Sam fine thanks it's just my husband also and leave them to it the spurs the Good Samaritan story in the Bible is all about helping strangers so if you've got time help if not pointing in the direction of someone that can help let's do tailable for the podcast live recording right next question please William Hansen this is a long one so wish me you are you crying just ship yourself trump tally williams who is it from from d d just as day give me that day this is a question I've had since high school and all the they just incinerators did he give it yeah you're not when you stitches taken out when you're younger V stitches today if been circumcised can you get in touch I have a dilemma that I need advice on and I apologize in advance if I come across as a cruel bitch as a single parent who works volunteer isn't as a fulltime university dating basically to put it bluntly I am not looking for the one I recently had some experiences where I've swapped numbers with guys students I have very little time and like to spend it wisely I am enjoying single life after not being singled for ten years and have lately begun why do they call it a follow skin dinner that but I wonder what they do it January I mean I say this every episode I generally I think this well and it's just the room yeah that's what I'm saying judge during gray advice next question please Williamson Hello Jordan and William Hello made my intentions up from D- just casual and fun yes and then within a couple of weeks I'm having to be horrible and jump things down because they insist things on but like those before him has started to get a bit he wants to cuddle after I just wanted to eat my chicken knuckles or is there something I should be saying doing front to make the message is clear as possible my recent conquest is an absolute firecracker in the sack the average right I don't Wanna say afflict buddy hey hey okay that can get any help is you don't want to get fair to say I'm five leave it but if the point you are boring all pulling the heart doc Jay Children William please come on it's a podcast about cats do the cats I get billed fest de wouldn't even join have you been two weeks and I said no I had an operation knowing the people I went we've known amazed by wildlife you don't even I probably wouldn't say I've had an operation I just say oh I've just been talking any worse is it okay to talk about middle of work yeah he's not okay but if I was at work casual then invite me to meet family going serious dates holiday once I'm asking advice for is how do I gently remind them without being horrible Christ the life nobody cuts during a sentence together sorry are you okay Hon I'm Ok okay I think what Charlie's Affleck Buddy right basically an EPI is just a casual just somebody wants if you look twice a week to me that Charlie knows exactly what he or she wants and I think they might sound a bit cold to some people they what I just think you need to read they turn a mine help please from csadi am Charleston yes Baiocco don't know who knows Ooh what did you own does your Chevanton Divas do what did he do what did he do you I can exquisite hourly Miley what I remember tickets smiley tickets are still available cyrus now I will lay tickets Ali Adnan basically you just want to be an FA and there's no wrong without an F. B. B. is gone syringes from even last week God allow Paul Yeah no so week we do that how did you find the time you do you do the deeds and it's fine she's basically saying you don't want any strings attached I think chart will you get off that Jinyu pictured didn't work you know you have a laugh on you'd think nothing about European over that would about your penis is is nine Yeah Yeah Oh do you do you enjoy 'em want some tickets for live shelf at podcast yeah we're doing it I next question final question recently it was a friend's twenty first birthday it was a lovely sunny day so we went to the park to celebrate and took a bottle of champagne. I'm in the cubicle gives a great excuse me the importance that you don't want any strings attached you don't WanNa be going on dates he certainly don't want to be going on any birthdays I'm really enjoying the sex factor firecracker bed your shock unbe in Manchester I'll get you some tickets right I'll tell you what I'm GonNa Bring you back I'm just about to nip meat and a ring you back folk oh Jesus Christ I didn't I'm not not bad flick buddy anyway an F. B. Right nine we not your average Liverpool riffraff so drank out of luxury costlo ball tumblers champagne with homeless it went with the delicate a heavy bossom as we once the chance of daydream king in the Hong and that's from Henry Kraken totally fine losing so you do it do it do it like Henry is doing out of luxury glassware have you ever drunk in the park picnic night picnics our stallone thing but the daydream gain in the PA yeah it's totally fine well doing using the part I think in cut grass luxury tumblers the street now disagree fair enough well thank you for your questions we've got merchandise available on my website was just fallen off I'm Charlie serious working amateurs just tell them that you just want it to be sex and you want to carry on because you're having sex okay it sounds like you know what you want so just say look as a one off a micon defense no no I think if you just say I'm not into that really the queen the Queen does does I've seen video footage of revenue picnic and they're having gin and stuff they all sitting on chairs and white to fascinated with death the getting you Pena circumcised is quite a crowd big thing in a man's life it's a great day I'm in bed for the day normally pub often on a Saturday oh yeah lights off usually on a Friday just goggle box I'm like might I'll see I would go over I was on over into that right participants said really wasn't very good their cats on some thirty thirty no our leasing should we try the skin without Phut yes hello my name is William would you would you go on a picnic in this weather's getting cold it's getting cold we'll maybe we'll do next year okay would you not recommend drinking in the park now today opens green or he's under the bed so the etiquette of daydream Kennedy's Crock the best thing is you can be on for much Dana Curry People's drinking the park you fine what do you think of outside drinking in general in your garden it's fine and in a friend's golden look for day drinking especially in the park it's GonNa be cold I mean I can't really comment on day drinking because we're sitting here in the day drinking smashed Philipe essentially and I would like to learn a big thing afterwards I would like to learn what they do with little flappy pizza skin afterwards on the back of a postcard I wonder is okay and you can give us a rating review and subscribe of course tell your
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"Hello and welcome to help. Thanks to my bosses. I'm a celebrity gas me out of here. Normally this is the podcast wear jordan. And i help you navigate the challenges of modern life and we will have to that one storm the castle about finale. This is the official home for those who wish to get behind jordan and support him in his final during his time away on prime time television. And if everyone listening to this podcast. Right now voted five times on the free. I'm a celebrity app that beef thousands and thousands of votes for our jordan. Say please what are you waiting for. Don't delay go out and vote. I am the head. Vote pusher william hansen usually and educate coach and author. I'm more caught. Circular jordan's more court jester. The public aversion for which celebrity they want to stay in the castle will any of them be getting any sleep with the knowledge that the public match want the mount. How will their franchise egos cope when the time comes talking. A fragile egos. Hello producer. ben. Hi guys two things i want to bring up from your intro just because i feel like some something needs explaining in court circular. What does that mean. You're more secular insurance more court. Jessica understand the justice part because circular. I don't understand so what is going on that. So the court said you know. It's in the The times and the telegraph day. And it's a record of what working members of the royal family have done the day before. So you can look it up and it will tell you what the queen's done not you know not like nine. Am fresh freshened up that not not that sort of thing and people say imprint major. I wonder why goodness second thing noth- of your lip vote pusher wiping. It wouldn't that make you chief whip well. We know what jordan likes. I'll check up. Hit the joke so this works now. I had a very exciting day. Stay because this is completely unrelated to trauma celebrity. Everybody but stick with me. If i said to you ben wants the most twenty twenty must have products. The everyone needs have their up two possible answers to this a face mask. That was the other answer. Not the answer is making full. Okay well don't they are going to get the other answer am i. Yes you are you you might use it when you before you put your face mask on or when you take off you should mouthwash now is that he walked well. It's about breath and face mask. Okay i'm sanitized. And look what i found today and to my essential shopping hand sanitizer with the royal warrenton law. Oh wow not one but two royal kill more bacteria yes it kills all grades and classes of bacteria onto just have sprints now even push bacteria even well corona free gone and just a quick before we move on but if embarrassment i think for both of us but mainly for me because maybe for yesterday's episode we were talking about an autobiography and i assumed that those very unbroken was written by one in burma's later on site actually mentioned the autobiography cordoned broken. And of course for by beverley callard bought is hopefully on. Its way to me and very embarrassing. Divas tweet and say ben. you're literally talking about beverley. Callard waterberg free so embarrassing of mentioning about memory before there's a great example just wanted to put that one to bed nausea. Bama beverly cannot easy mistake tonight. Coming up later. I'll be watching to see bbc presenter. And friend of jordan's joe tasker all from northern listeners. Joe tasker best. Keep doing what you do in peep show in the northern spirit help out incompetent shaving tash. You'll do well. Let's raise glasses. I think we need to toast mutton. Mutton lamb dressed as martin dresses lamb. Maybe it works both ways. Maybe that saying is overseas famous for the other. Ambig- could work both. Were yes possibly. Maybe it's it's such a fat young sheep dressing older than actually. I would quite as well. I'm raising a glass of gentleman. Made by my fair hand. I managed to get my hands on some day. I'm not letting go so. I decided that every night this week. I'll be having a strong of jean de you. I thought you didn't like the stuff that you d yourself. Only the stuff that we set on the website the premium stuff. Y'all don't like it really. It's all what you talk about the competition. Yeah competition is back again as always they'll be a post on instagram with all the details of any suit vendor basically as we by now you just talk in a mates he think will the day and one lucky commenters will pick one out at random using some very fancy software and yet the winner will get to bowls of premixtures one. I two bows to cocktails of the choice from dipoto bartenders cut it. Uk and and as william alluded to just they are absolutely scrumptious so definitely worth winning. And if you don't fund each winning then definitely worth buying such an east. London word scrumptious. I think i said i have not. That word is crossed my life for many years. They've ever before but it's used to describe the premix bottles from the bottom bartender. Okay good now. Interestingly and again you know. I'm not as i say with this program is as you will. Many listeners are the stage in the competition. It's week three where the trials all decided by the kemp so it's not the public. They themselves. decide who i think. Maybe that changes a bit later on actually to maybe the producers decide when when there are fewer of them but this is the the yes. Yesterday's episode opened with the candidates deciding who should do this trial critic clink. They called it. Yes i think full now until the end is they the comebacks choose who is going to do the trial. So there's a there's always a big discussion and then at some point it will end up. Being the basically every company does the trial and they normally do a quite famous one where they after basically rundown solve. Massive expense with fans and stuff is called a site claim. We'll get to that or some sort of version of. I'm sure for now. We were doing the clinic and obviously we were quite happy. 'cause jordan put himself forward for the trial so any gail that we fell for voting. That has trials. I need to just get rid of that guilt. Because he obviously wants to put them forward for his own hell so well done us. Actually i think jordan would have been fine with critic link for those. That didn't see it. Victoria daba in the end. It was a it was a two two man race. In the end between russell watson and victoria darbyshire and Victoria digits in the end and went down into the the dungeon of the call soul and there were lots of different rooms and barrels and such of cubbyholes. She enters a cruel into two as ever get the stars and the the overriding theme was apparently that she was quite slow doing now. I mean she wasn't necessarily the the nifty est but she did manage in the end to get nine styles out of eleven backed bantu you. I thought the same was because of the idea. Obviously we know you. And i especially know that when something is i'd sit down you can get to a joke much quicker you get to the stars much quicker when we watch as you as. Maybe it looks a lot faster than actually yes. Because when we had this you'll qualify. Yes i mean that was. That was my joke. But you've really hamadeh newborn. I may yes. I just made it a bit funny. Yeah okay cool but yeah. She ended up getting nine stars. If issues that slow. I'd say the producers. You got that wrong. Because you've got nine hundred eleven. It was embarrassing thought for index. They're like this is so slow as will she got eighty percent of the stars maybe they they would just came to get maybe takeaway on the on the way to get at the time that victoria had to do the trial twelve minutes twelve minutes which is long well yet but surely it should be eleven minutes because twelve minutes minute per star there are only now eleven celebrities will drop minute off. Oh my goodness yeah. Probably i mean yes to someone. Nothing that through. Do you want to call now. I'll i'll send them the things that she had to crawl through and get started off with a wolf. Now we have to talk about this wolf because that was basically a husky it was cute our absolutely wolfer a pat i stood there and it was century and then she had to crawl into another box and basically sort of come up against the britney spears snake which wasn't massively scary either and fairly static. Yeah it's not great snake but all of the animals didn't really do much. I think myself six zero cousin could have got twelve or eleven it would have been so easy for twelve found a twelfth one and these ninestones produced octopus and fennel. I can't think of too worse things. I'd rather eat. I hate octopus and seat for seafood. Fish anything like that and fennel. Anything with finland is kiss of death. Who the. I completely agree. And jordan didn't like it either because he was a spat out octopus. Yes it reminded me of our infamous embassy. Help joyce spittle swallow and the chomping on pork moment which we showed paps rebrand is trumping octopus octopus and yes he spent. Which which you know when you do get something that you want need to remove your mouse quickly such a piece of bone fatty pork or whatever. Yes you obviously didn't solo because that would do yourself mischief but you are supposed to use your other hand in order suspicion and then pushed on the side of your plate and again i'll be noticing that down ashort jordan when he comes out of the castle well that might be slightly harsh because i think when he did it he was looking around shiftily so in that context he wouldn't have had a napkin or anything. So in that context she might have clocked. Everyone not look any his treatment did leo dino or he forgot that there's probably about cylinder cameras putting it this case it one time so he got caught on camera but in the context of the camp. Maybe did the right thing. Well who knows you. We can agree to disagree. Then jordan jess and russell went off to one of three costal coin challenges. We were treated to three of them last night and jordan jettison russell's sort of gain that they had to do they basically they had to pass warsheh in one way or another. They passed it over here. They say for their little bit went everywhere. But that's very much. The running theme of of this series and jordan came up with the wonderful jordan quote. My tongue's out which means i'm concentrating which would explain one or two things from jordan and my history. It's not true it's just a good gag. Ladies and gentlemen never never let the truth get in the way of a good gag. Jordan did their insists there was a bit whilst they were passing water. There was discussion of passing water of a variety and did insist that the urine that perhaps had been found around the lavatory wasn't him and jested actually very nice land this is. This is true comment that jordan. She says that jordan does a whisper. Lived down which is the sign epa gentle okay again. Well he's easterner either nece. Isn't this jordan. You always moan about him. But if he's doing all these gentlemen things and also about about him a link to think he's doing well because of me. okay. I like to think i've just lift him up. And then russell mentioned that he he wipes the sprinkle after he code. Yes he i mean. We didn't quite know exactly what he does because thankfully he was interrupted because they realized that they needed to get back to the game at hand as it were and say they went back to doing doing that. And then once all the games are taking place in all major to go during these council coin challenges they then had this sort of bizarre trialed stall thing and i didn't really understand quite how it worked and they had to open these boxes and they either had a little treat from home silver card like a business card for drank queen all they hand to link up the stuff yes gaza couple and everyone seemed to get treats with the exception of aj jordan and geo and why they missed down because of if you were a candidate than two box and revealed a stall or a tweet from home drag queen business card you would then have the ability to decide who got that treat from hail. I don't believe you could choose yourself. But let's say if ben opened a box you go william. You're going to get the treat from home and nobody seemed to be. Aj jordan geo giovanni sorry Sandwiches if i'm on first name nickname short in terms with her. But that's what happened. Asia jordan obviously pretty savage. Jordan's harm i. I could see jordan actually really struggling with it but also trying to sort of play it cool and slightly but it it was basically by giovanni as tears tangible and i sort of wanted to tackle or somebody or maybe russell crowe says coming in at the last minute and go. Yeah here we go here. Retreats you can have them not how it works when it would that be know jeopardy. That would i. It's hard. it's especially hard when you see a close friend oversee not gain. That little tree is is. The game is another aspect. If if i didn't do like that then it'd be no point. We which would have been open. Which last night. So they miss out. But i'm sure they'll be more opportunities to hear messages of love and support from the outside world at some point in the next few days or hope anyway and but yeah tough and i think it's easy to forget when oversee jordan isn't a mother or follow the that these messages of people assume that they don't mean as much. I think a lot of tauch to tease a phrase that you might use good. I'm glad we agree on that. Just because you just because you're you're not parents or whatever doesn't mean to say the message from home means means any less usage of can be there is a sliding scale of a we. You can be more upset if you know if sasha and you can you have to be less upset if the other way round. So i'm glad we agree on that hopefully jordan. Aj angevin will get their treats from home at some point now. Ben if if we had sent joel matric from him. And i think we should just just to which down seventy come my twitter down. We haven't sentimental things. Well you don't say they've asked you know i haven't either. I mean it's very well jordan on his car state. replace me. what would you give him. Maybe maybe deboning but it's just a it was a snack was net. If it was gonna have this paper. Casey just been empty. Remember my friend. I think series three maybe made those jenin. Jenin damani chocolates. Do remember so we could have sent some of those via chicago. Bit of pfaff to get them to wales. I appreciate it does like chicago. Yes he does. Yes there we go oh to have so much meaning how very matter. All it's not edible. We could have got him until dressing. Gown belt rolled out. Yeah i that was the so. The cy is would have been right for that. The price is right now. The signs is really full that little package in addressing gown bell and would have been able to reuse it. He could have tied up different people around the cam. Lots of opportunities of if it's just a chocolate or jeddah is down in one and it's done you can reuse addressing gumbo and out of line to seen him explain to everybody else and indeed the nation why we sent dressing gown belt. I can just hear him. You know eck echoes around the castle. That's just the ghost but alas we'll have to wait and see what what has been sent to him and who sent it to him if indeed. We're medusa we never know is voice crack. Is he told everyone else. Don't worry which you know may maybe start to go. I was. I was a little bit A little bit of motion at that point. And then wendy maiden appearance secure asli fi jordan jordan. Did an impression of wendy didn't say it was. When david. I think jean divas and people that know jordan. Well enough will know that that's who we meant. Although he did he did do a segerand. I'm not sure whether wendy ever did smokes. I think maybe that has been added. There's a of like when a of wendy's friends on. I think there's an on some point and also his. Yes nanny a combo he uses. Oh yes yes. The chain snaking granite that which would chains michael. The children to sleep. Yes actually i think there's also an amalgamation of burnley woman all in one man saying the modern dresses lamb with touch touch of credit and then another public vote. Who would go and again. I always take over. I think i stopped breathing when people die then they they die for like a second when they're on the operating table. I think that sort of what happened to me. Because i suddenly went. No this this. Isn't we've all taken. This for granted. A omega i voted. I use my votes. I voted numerous times by by phoning from my mobile mike. He did did the same. I know lots of our friendship circle digits as well. We can't take this for granted if we want jordan to progress. We all must go. Did you vote then. Of course. I voted and i mobilize the troops. Lots of people get involved on twitter. So that's something i'd like to see. Repeat solve every single time that opens that we're given the opportunity to vote for. Jordan is the screenshots of five votes for fraud jordan. But yeah it again. My heart was beating fast in the other day. I don't quite know how it's going to take these next five days of votes because it struggling already i think allowed beater inside me is is at its limits so to to to keep me alive. Vote for is what. I'm trying to say nothing else. Keep us keep this podcast and producer. That would that would be nice but the person that did go spoiler for those they. It watched it was my second. Favorite's william ruthie henschel. It must have been town. I say second favourite. I didn't really know why this is just become a running joke. Got and she. She's fine off. She went she went and had to in interview with anton. They played highlights package. Which has a talking about her night. With prince edward or nights with prince edward in buckingham palace. And at that moment you realize you saw the look on her face. She realized she went getting an mba. She won't be outranking. Holly arnold anytime soon roof the ham shoal brackets not getting an mba closed. Brackets is yes well to be fair to ruthie we. I joked that you oversee love her. But she was a of a couple of jordan classic moment so that they're worth remembering i'd say so. Obviously we had the foot rub which is part of the challenge that she had to do when she moved into the castle and we also had her teaching jordan how to do all that jazz from chicago so exactly. That's how this podcast will remember her. She say nice enough and it was funny to that with him nafta for a time. So that's over dot to tear about that only own. We go another day another show tonight. What will tonight bring now. Jane d do you want to know what could possibly be worse than knowing about russell. Watson's laboratory all habits jordan's joke of the week. Bill embedding pub. Bill says to ben flag blah blah blah blah blah blah blah south and. Bad news to speak then says go on bill. You pissed. We'll be back after these messages and another spritz of the luxury royal warranted anti back this is an introduction to the podcast gets a flavor feel neighbor parent over the fence when things have got sense with the most outrageous tales of your next door fails time has come for you to listen to score next. Door name's rich williams jones school next door is off brand new podcast late. They got a little bit. Hopefully a bit more than you love. Your neighbors says a new episode every wednesday search for as wherever you listen to podcast to find out. What all the fuss about your neighbors you might as well listen to the people us. Welcome back. gene. David william one more thing before we invite our latest special guest onto the podcast. How you feeling for the pickety on friday. Well i mean i don. We just need to stress. That i am only doing that. If jordan is in the final yes if he's not i'm having dinner and there's not a hope in hell that i'm having pickety we know that. Stop stop distracting from the subjects. You don't need to say this. Every time if i do have to have a picky can i just use the freezer section at waitress Certainly not no chance at all you use that section anyway. That's just like me saying. Can i go get some action. He's london now. You need to come to hack the iceland. Don't you dare old friend know ben. If you look at the restrictions it clearly says that once london goes into tier two. You cannot travel to a different section if it's to visit iceland for pitchy it's in. The legislation is incorrect and white from public health. And it's not true. It says if you want to take part in a picky challenge on a friday night in support of your good friend jordan. Who's on the television with your other. Good friend produce ben. Who is on the podcast with currently. Then you are in fact permitted to go to iceland's together but separately that's close enough. So that producer. Ben can in fact saying that you go into iceland and buy things from that. Maybe start putting a list together. What do you want. what do you want to put together in your pickety. I'll see you on friday. I want to do now. Is talk to our guest and guest. Today is someone who has the relative pleasure of calling jordan a close friend. The cbc starring social media. Funster joe tasker. Hello joe hello william off. I'm alright and you. i'm good ground. Thanks good good at. What are you making jordan on. I'm a celebrity to date and so far. I believe that is what i was expected of. Small what out in their semi to sheets from what has been your jordan highlight. I'd say definitely the introduction of jeff. They yes yeah. The i didn't look very different. We've no facial hair like ten years younger different. We should say you enjoy each other. How when did when did you meet. How did you meet. and then i can work. Can't whether he would have been clean shaven at that point. Oh my goodness there is a radio one big weekend. It was probably three years ago. And i think he's just crazily jordan face at that point here not he was. He was at peak. Brazil krisel hundred percent jordan. You're loving is it we. It's nice i was. He was in Nothing face but then. I kind of saturday is to. How much has an is fast. Just let jeff. Why jeff judah we be thinking he. He knew somebody that he looks line called jam. I think he's a friend jeff. The tash gone well as long as he doesn't introduce to something that's that's not his friend. You'll love jeff. Jeff jordan you can just choose to speak to on the podcast. Now at the start of jordan's time in the car sold producer. Ben tells me that you're having some trouble with your safer that by may or may not have. Can you share more about. Let j. please this is so and so when i moved into the apartment i mean now in london. The was meant to be finished new stadiums. Oh yeah it'd be find. It wasn't siamese with myself. The most furniture runs the my options were storage for year which adds quite a bit. Not all like two story Place jordan would love us offering a chat. Yes a long story. Short is he. Has my furniture. Your house and i am moving shortly. And i couldn't get hold of him and i wanted to it. And then it was analysis. In the castle saw had a jedi of trying to get hold remit to reclaim the venture. And i think we'll be seeing that he might return. We've we quicksand trying to convince. I wasn't a combat really wants advantage. It'll be lovely jordan. Oh wait no longer. Do i have to sit on a stump a nice stone seat. I can't wait. Is it a my sofa. Lebron the door and went be. They're not just disadvantage. It all that to be is. I'm confident that it will be to if not win. Well who knows i mean. We can't be complacent so what we're saying. We've got to keep vote or they are. You actually suggesting for the people because you want them out because you won't you furniture back now. I'm talking to joey's roommate now. A merely reason. The strange adjustment is because i'm also a cold. The only reason why letting me and he's islands right okay well This is a unique club. Ua joseph in full actually no. I am just joe. Have you told other joe this. I haven't actually. But that's the public official have to me. Is that before. I take spanish a humane Trust you. I didn't know whether with flatmate joe who is Who's also on news correspondent on this podcast with skylight news. That gives us updates on jordan's skylight. He's a full joe. Yes how many times you now if we got a skylight counter. I believe the sky not well. Yeah it's been open and it's being chunking it down. I'll more times than it's been closed really into stunned looking at the trials that they do in the camp and they have all sorts of things. Chuck schumer either them. You're a children's television presenters. You probably being covered in your share of gunk in your time gaunt. Yes at the dot so much. Chuck animals no. Well i did. What did you have sorry crickets. But they were like they're all ready to beats and oh okay. No he's love him. Like i don't like them william it just over like talking for an ice. Cream is being covered in gung bandages. It looks do you know what it is. It's the aftermath of trying to wash out of having of a place which i'm seeing a stop by income the show it's freezing. It's always cold always okay and is always green or do they do multicolored gung all. We have multiple colors. Yellow degrees evidence. Who'd collaborated play. What exactly is the gung. I mean what is. I have no idea. I don't know how they may never see them. Make it could be anything. Our guest on today's episode was christopher biggins and he said with with mr dabboussy at sydney australia. I assume in wales as well they actually have a special man whose job it is to breeds and look after the the maggots and cockroaches and the rat. So maybe maybe children's tv has an equivalent which is just a gun. Ge- man we. We haven't gone cottee agung team and the only thing i see is them staring at round the big wooden spoon. Wow what a job. From facts Do you think jordan would make a good children's television presented except china. He's gonna be coming out of this. Might have a couple of other new career options. Chiro he may have none who knows children's tv. Think jordan would be good. Who knows i think you would think you just have different. Paucity wants to yesterday on the show. I think he was on your podcast. One seems a bit late. Because i say you're is a giant flood. Not at all. I think he said he was having to put Of he was having to tie his shoelaces wearing gloves. That's that's what you can expect in zaithan give really an asset because it is more or less depending on what's in cage seem to engage mall when they can relate to someone of a similar mind edge so i think okay. Yeah we'll they're that's an option. That's an option for him these. I would be a good children's tv presenter over. You think i would be a bit patronizing patronizing well this thing. If you're presenting with someone else you could have. Maybe how your own is patronizing time to you and you just read things at the children screen. Go right okay. that's nice we also on a regular podcast. Where jordan is is here. We have a feature called jordan's jolly jake the week which jokes very much suitable for children's television. Usually sometimes they're okay. But usually there'll be blue and we also have williams wacky word of the week. And i'm now getting to canvas for what he were to be replaced with patronizing corner and we will forever credit you as long as he got. Jim norris thing is a little gutowski with the end. Don't even go that. I mean jingle we've got jingles. We have people make jingles forest. Our listeners get in touch with and they've just make jingle patronizing caller joe. That would be enough joe task. Tm depends what happens after the staying. I wanted to have my name. Attached depends how how touch by we can. We can go prateep patronizing. Don't worry about that. So looking at going back into the castle and back to the program. If you in that what would be your worst fear. This is the opposite of what people seem screening because just got frogs in that are always pigeons. Bama like frogs in the okay. You don't know what you don't win the don't even. I haven't haven't seen a goat on that program yet. Because that's very scary. William field i've appended with a goal to homes. And they just they just looking at you and they can run you Good start talking that you'd always let the rest settling to you. So what do you think you'll needs to do to win. I'm celebrity at the end of this week. I think he's i think he's already doing. I think he just needs to be himself in. Kabul is hilarious. I think everyone lives in a. I think everyone's seen him exactly who he is. Which is sketchy cowboy I wasn't expecting the especially the was invited to vote. Was ace first butcher child when we are going to go through that. That was the yeah i mean he did. Obviously they did the the the am sailing which they all but five of them dates then there was that really the grandkids quite tame thing. They all did again where they will have. Things dropped on each other's stalls through but then vinyl volt was his his as is done everything he said he didn't want to the almost couldn't go through with and and at the moment everyone's who's everyone for infrastructure now it's not john laid off now. It's shane share not station mitch. Yet he's doing the mall now when when you mentioned the table when i thought it was only so many things that can get delivered to wales. Patch australia yeah. Identify muslim prime reaches not fall. Did no they go to plan ahead of. Can we keep in touch with you about sofa gate. Yes at the moment. Hang on a minute what will it might be in two weeks time next week ends on friday. This counts goes on. We hope so we might. We might get you on for one of our bonus episodes to have full update on safer and jordan's reaction to having no furniture in his. Yes flash. I'll get some before and after pictures and assuming. Is todd busy after the castle. What happens you might not even their true even wanting to moving straight to buckingham palace. Getting his mom's kitchen i then buckingham palace. Guess can't win if she wants a new neff. Don't we all. Can you give us a good luck. Message for jordan place. He can't splits. Pretend to kim jordan buddy. Best of luck. Keep doing what you're doing. And i believe if you keep showing the novus of being scared of everything affairs and also helping counting shaving you tash not believe. You'll do well keep going as well after leads leads. Only i love leaves. Oh did you do when you are talks. Leads we dev's yes. Leaves was our last date and our last her. We're going there again. This city varieties. I know i'm very excited. Because that's a proper proper theatre. Say we're very excited for that. But yeah they were a good crowd. Got stuck joe. Thank you very much indeed now on the podcast tomorrow. Be by one of the breakaway stars of goco box such breakaway. She ended up on saturday night takeaway. It's the jungle ben. I'm very tired rising. Its former queen of the jungle scarlett moffatt. And if you want to continue to show your support the best thing you can do if you're able is vote for jordan using the it the app or however you wish to call school votes you can use the hashtag get behind jordan on social media where sex my boss on twitter instagram and remember from now until jordan's final day in the costal whenever that is we relying on eugene de divine by guy.
"Thursday hello and welcome to talk to the poor a podcast that celebrates dogs for simply being like tastic wage. I'm Caroline Berkeley and with the help of canine nerd Scott Andrews will consider how and why these fabulous animals makes such a huge contribution to our lives. We're already halfway through the first season of the door cast and we've been amazed and delighted at how it's been embraced. Thanks so much to our listeners right around the world including Prius and far-flung locations. Like nanavati Egypt Sri Lanka and New South Wales in Australia. It's a joy to have you all on board with this Autumn has a game. Well and truly arrived here in the northern hemisphere. So grab your favorite snuggly blanket settled on and unwrap the bow on the box of the lights. That is episode life. It's time for the Twilight bark. Time to see what news story has caught our eye this time round and the material has an interesting report on the financial implications of owning a dog the article cites research off or taken by Netflix your codes, which has looked at 42 of the UK's most popular dog breeds and the findings may have you clutching fearfully at your wallet? It reports The Gate Bridge yearly cost of food and treats is just over three hundred and fifty pounds for grooming. It's around 280 pounds and pet insurance will set you back just over 100,000 10 points. All of this of course is breed dependent with owners of Saint Bernards expected to pay as much as Seventeen and a half thousand pounds over the course of a dog's lifetime Scott. I think some people might find these figures quite alarming, but did I surprise, you know, not really, you know, if you listen to the episode where we were talking about coronavirus, We have a dog stressed report that mentioned an astronomical inflation in the costs of dogs pretty locked down. The price of a puppy was about one thousand pound on average after the Bell has gone up by about 155% So now you'd be looking at paying almost two and half thousand pound the article had mentioned specific breeds and Associated costs for those breeds. But on a more General way is the really figure cited for the average lifetime cost of owning a dog. Yes. So the give the figure of 7162 pounds and eleven cents for a lifetime of an average dog, but the question you've really got to think about is what makes an average dog. That's almost like saying what makes an average human a reminder the criteria for this study. They looked at forty two breeds. Yeah. Now we're talking breeds pedigree breeds. We're not talking mongrels mats and behinds variety that make our lives so much better. Yeah to be fair, which is probably the the kind of dogs that most jobs. Times will certainly mine as a little Mongrel in the case of mongoose. The price would be different. If you actually look at take for instance the standard poodle the estimated cost for a lifetime is 18 and a half thousand pounds. Okay clutching my wallet. Yeah, one of the things that Peta highlighted regarding this report is that there are a number of pedigree breeds that have a common medical issues associated with them. So in the poodles case, it would be Progressive vision loss seizures diabetes and a class in a Kia. Oh, I suppose my point is that Bush was going to experience that in their lifetime. They were going to be plenty of poodles that a healthy. Yeah in my opinion, at least this study is very much looking at the worst case scenarios. Do you think that people think about the financial implications of actually owning a dog before someone gets a dog? Is that something that they should take into account? Absolutely, you know off Right now puppy prices have gone through the roof as we mentioned before due to covid-19 lock down. There are a number of puppies being returned to dog shelters. Yeah stands and they're not very much older. Obviously, you've got sort of anxiety issues to deal with the fact is if you was to take a puppy from the dogs just for example, you would pay a hundred fifty pounds and that would be it. Now as we're talking about average lifetime costs. If you buy a puppy the average lifespan for a dog is about twelve years. Yeah, whereas if you rescue a six seven eight year old dog, you can cut that price enough. Yeah granted. Okay, the insurance cost may be different the average nearly cost wage according to this report for pet insurance as a hundred eleven pounds. Yeah my own dog who has had a my Scottish Terrier know he has a a chronic illness with no cure my trip. They spent close to nine thousand pounds in his lifetime on vets bills alone. Yeah, I think most most people sorry to interrupt the time that astronomical exactly and there aren't many insurers in the world or even offer me a hundred and ten pounds off. It's true. Yeah, so you you've got that to consider one of the things that struck me as odd was the average cost of grooming they gave was 278 pounds personally with my own dog. I am 660 pounds a year. Well, obviously, it depends what you're getting done. It depends on the breed of the dog. I they have to have their coat done. It also depends on the size of the joke. There's enough for example, if you are looking to get page you're looking to rescue a dog and you're trying to keep your costs down. You have to take a good look at the verb take for example, Boston Terrier. They don't know how they don't need cutting. They don't need grooming. They don't need a blow-dry in some respects. There are certain breeds of dog. That way. You wouldn't have that cost another price that struck me was the average cost of food and treats 350 pounds which to me seems quite cheap. Actually. Well fact is when I train with my own dog, I have to news page cook chicken little bits of sausage. There is a lot of things that I've used that comparatively to go into a pet shop and paying two pound or three pound for a bag of 28 treats. You know, that's true. It's another way in which yep Like I say when I'm finally they estimate that you'd across the toys and Equipment seventy seven pounds again. I think that's quite cheap really to me. That sounds like you're buying your dog and my phone number. This is the survey is is saying too much about me. Maybe I should just I should just quit talking not in all honesty. I do have at least two boxes of toys that my dogs have no interest in whatsoever. Yeah. I am certain dogs prefer to play in certain widely. Yeah, and if you can identify that quickly that will save you a lot of money for instance that produce the greatest commercial is a fetch as we were talking about in the last episode. What more do you need for that portal Bolta chaice? I have this experience myself when my boy was younger you buy them expensive toys and then they end up playing with the box to be fair with them. One of our dogs last Christmas yet more joy open in a Christmas presents on Christmas Eve just because the paper she wasn't interested in what was inside of it, but the paper with shredded all over the hallway off. Straight was knocking over the Christmas tree. I remember you saying and then picking out her present an opening actually had a proper Merry Christmas. There are ways in which you can save money. But if you want a pedigree dog and perhaps your financial circumstances are such that you can't afford to pay tens of thousands of pounds a year in looking after the dog or any more amenable options that you can use that you can take advantage of certainly within breeds often smaller dogs do cost this region the study they come up with the five cheapest dogs. It's the Patterdale the jack russell the Staffordshire Terrier star status who honestly you can find an abundance in dog shelters with its own Boston Terriers, each of these dogs off on average somewhere between seven and eight thousand pound in their lifetime, which is considerably less, you know, when you're looking at the other end of the scale, they're ranging from fourteen thousand to eighteen thousand. Yeah. No Standard Poodles being dead. Option Bernards shout out and wants to our surprise. We were talking last episode about labradoodles. Oh, yes, of course and you know, they within the range of the most expensive. Yes. There is a great difference. That's about 10000 pound difference in itself. And who doesn't love a Jack Russell. I had a Jack Russell when I was growing up and he was just he was a little tiny white and tan thing and just a bundle of energy and I find really good around I was when I was about seven or eight at the time so really good with kids, but Jack Russells always a great option one of the biggest mistakes perspective dog owners make is that we took the dog for the lifestyle we want we don't buy the dogs the lifestyle that we have just to finish off scott anything else that you have taken from the survey first and foremost if I'm looking to get a discount dog, so to speak your best path of action done by a puppy look to adopt if you're adopting you're looking in most places. Now, I mentioned to figure from the dogs trust a hundred and fifty pounds wage. To take the dog calm. So that's your first saving between that and a puppy in a you know, a puppy post lockdown. This is saving of 2500 pounds wage. You know, it's considerable the second thing to consider older dogs. Yeah. Now obviously depending on your lifestyle depending if you got kids and older dog may not be as active as you want. Yeah, and I'm sorry to interrupt but again an older dog and you sort of alluded to it. They're they're only certain familial circumstances and households that you will be able to take those dogs in each. Yes, certainly about the good shelters and say for example, I keep mentioning the dog stressed because it is recognizable as a nationwide brand with a strict standards and protocols. Yeah, they would have already suggested and tried to identify what the dog likes and dislikes and you know, whether that'll be in the home with cats or dogs or kids small children. That's right. Yeah. So in that respect, they would have done the hard work for you. Second thing to consider so dead. Obviously with the older dog the dog is going to live this year's which means that entire cost over the lifetime is going to be less. But the upside of that is you're giving a dog. Hopefully what will be waged a beautifully comfortable and and lovely home for the remainder of its lifetime which is surely a benefit in itself is a benefit and it's a wonderful thing. You think if you're getting a dog that dog is older or say halfway through its lifetime that might be if it's a small that look like a Jack Russell that could be another four thousand pounds save. Do you have a good thing when you do take a dog from a shelter because they have their own vets in their own medical testing. The number of times I've heard stories where people have gone to buy puppies from breeders, 12 months down the line. They discover that there is a medical problem very often luxating patellas or yes, It could be something else going on. Yeah, they weren't aware of but didn't budget for realistically. This is something that needs to be checked. If you do all of those things one, you still going to get a dog still going down? Have to share your life with one of the most wonderful creatures that walk this out to you and we have to do it on a discount. I'm free most important of all you are given a second chance. It's the most magnificent thing you can do. And also if I can just make this final point when you're taking a dog from an animal shelter or as you mentioned somewhere like the dogs trust that will be microchipped. Yes. Dog will also be neutered or spayed if it's a female so I'm fascinated as well as needed as we're cruising forgot about that. But those are other sort of additional cost-saving measures to take into account as well. Yes, if you're scared by these price tags pay a visit to your local dog shower, see if you can make a miracle happen this year off. You join this deep in the heart of Paul HQ, and we're ready to get to grips with the fact is Doki science and this time Scott. I believe we're focusing on why a dog's sense of smell is so crucially important as we've discussed on previous episodes. We know that dogs live their life through their noses. We know that when they're born their eyes are closed. There is a closed and they're living just through their noses. There is some evidence to say that dogs are able to smell the scent that's been left behind woke up to six weeks previously. It is the most important organ for a dog, but this has surely all been covered in previous studies. There can't be anything new to this color. You'd be really surprised to learn that off studies are focused on visual auditory stimuli and not old faction. This previous research down the protective dogs recognize that humans by Sound by facial expressions that has been off Olfaction research the main parts being proven that dogs are able to distinguish their own urine from another dog. Okay, they're also managed to prove that dogs contract direction of movement through smell wage interest in me. Okay, and this is where things get really weird right? There folks are proved that African elephants can distinguish humans by sin. When you think that the level of research down into sent a post a coin elephants is it is the dogs it says we've got a lot of work to do here talk to the yellow Sandy tangential podcast coming soon. Absolutely this particular study. Why is it excited you is written by one of the goddesses of dog literature Alexandra Horowitz. She wrote a book called inside of a dog that I randomly book some time ago. When I was in Holiday Inn, New York. I very nearly didn't leave my hotel room for the week here exciting company, huh? I know no she's dead. Phenomenal dog brought her and her understanding of dogs has quite incredible. Okay, so I highly recommend anyone read it. I'm sorry so that so that was reason number one. Okay reason number two. So this study is called incrimination of personality by on domestic dogs, and he was in the international Journal of comparative psychology. The exciting part of this is that trying to demonstrate that dogs are able to distinguish their own Ascent from a stranger sent. They did this using thirty eight dogs and they gave the owner of each dog a tee shirt to wear for two nights. So the literally war in this life took it off put in a Bag Boy friend overnight took it off secured it in a bag to prevent like the Centrum escaping. Okay. Now when they selected the dogs, they gave all on as a questionnaire because they wanted to make sure that they're only using dogs that were never discourage from sniffing discouraged from sniffing. I don't know if you ever been walking down the street you see a friend you step to talk and then your dog starts putting their nose in their birth. No one with black man. You should put their nose. Well, that's just being a dog. Hey, we do this if we're running late when we walk in a dog. Yeah, and we might be trying to encourage a doctor or hurry a dog out. Yeah. I know I believed we've discussed this before in the importance of exercising your dog. It's a social and emotional thing for a dog as well as just physical. Yeah, absolutely. And I don't know if many of you realize that you can actually train your dog not to use their nose. Obviously if you're trying to do a study on this subject. Yeah, you cannot have dogs that have been taught now don't use our nose just keep walking. Obviously you need subject who are willing and capable of Performing the functions needed by the study. Yeah. I suppose the simple way is you need dogs who are capable of being dogs. Of course. Yes, the dogs were tested. I'm not going to get into grade down to about the room important parts to know is that the jokes presented with a box? All right in their own t-shirt. Okay, let me sign up to three times and the time they spent sniffing. T-shirt was measured. Okay, the next stage. They were presented with another T-shirt with an unfamiliar odor in a box. Okay. Again, the time was measured now this is where we need to get our number. Yourselves and everybody I know if this could get messy. Okay, so they were looking for something called habituation habituation, perhaps time for an explanation habituation is a decreased in response to stimuli after repeated presentations. So to simplify when the dogs were sniffing the familiar odor, they should have sniffed it for a shorter time, especially after being shown the same teacher again and again and again. All right, so moving on from habituation, what else did the scientists find from the 38 dogs that they tested for dogs had to be ruled out due to recording issues. The dogs didn't approach any of the boxes off dogs did not habituate in regards to what we were talking about it a sensitive four of them did not spend a short time sniffing the familiar box to the unfamiliar. One dog showed no difference and twenty sixth of the dogs. Did it expected? Okay, they spent a significantly longer time smelling the unfamiliar scent. All right, so long fair to say the majority of the dogs are that's 26 out of the 30th performed as would have been expected for little ones who didn't habituate any reason given for that. No not within the study, you know, it could be for a number of things essentially the dogs were in an unfamiliar room is also an unfamiliar person there. It's a very strange environment. They might be timid. They were very anxious. They may have weather have been dogs that had been trained not to say yeah. Okay. Okay, essentially. We don't know what we do know from the dogs that selected. None of the dogs were trained to do sent work off. Okay, so ideally all the dogs should be sensing naturally and the other thing we don't know is you know, although they were wearing these t-shirts when they were sleeping. We don't know what other song Satish that's my picks up from the house. They were told not to use deodorants aftershave, you know, generally okay jokes need to share any many be as natural as best part natural his body odor is possible. Okay, and at the same time the owner was actually sitting in the room. So there might have been sent emanating from the owner. What do these results actually tell us what they mean first and foremost. It shows that obviously this is an example of dogs collecting information from their noses on all accounts. It looks as if the dogs can distinguish the scent of a familial fastened to the center of an unfamiliar person realistically, we don't know whether they associate the smell of their owners T-shirt with the owner or not. We can't really short of going over to them the same. Excuse me. Could you just answer this question are forming, you know, generally it's not going to work cuz dogs can tell us hopefully our great researchers are going to get more sneaky and smarter and they're going to come up with a way to test that. It's a one Example of dogs using the nose we know from this study that with an unfamiliar scent the dog is going to sent for longer with a familiar scent. It will sniff for sure. You have to walk your dog and your dog is suddenly sniffing and sniffing and sniffing at one piece of grass. We know that that's not a dog. He knows from the neighborhood. However, stranger danger stranger danger. Absolutely, you know, you woke to a Lamppost your dog does 5 Seconds of quick Snips and you know leaves a message send a WhatsApp back. Of course, it might be sending something to Bob the Builder call the number 42, of course, it's this page information is something we can use when we're out walking our dogs to try and interpret their own behavior. Yeah. So for us it's fantastic be useful now dogs use their noses. They different choices. Yeah, essentially they see everything in smell-o-vision. We know they interpret friends and enemies by their smell they communicate with each other in the neighborhoods as I mentioned before with a dog. Mark and that's true Health students as well. Yes technically like a jokes but a dog smelling another dog Sheeran. It's like reading someone's Facebook update. Okay without the annoying depreciating pictures asking for love and attention from my holiday in Florida. Why don't know if dogs. Do you have to watch the way they spell it. Now, we know they quite possibly measure distance by measure speed they clicked in so much information from sending that we don't know about. Yeah. So this is just a very early step along the road to better understanding dogs noses but to finish off right when you take the dog for a walk your dog sniffing sniffing for a dog is mentally stimulating. It's physically stimulating it decreases their heart rate. It decreases their stress levels. So honestly, one of the lifetime just things we can do for our dogs is just to let them sniff we want this dog has to be his interactive and experience as possible. So please get in touch dog. You can talk to the poor on Facebook. Www.facebook.com forward slash talked to the Pol Pot Twitter at home to the Pol Pot Hole Sun Instagram at talk to the Pol Pot email info and talked to the board or the public assets are available to listen and download on Apple podcast Spotify and Google podcasts gadgets Gizmo astronomy club. We've all been there you dashed out of the house for that first dog walk of the day and you're fresh out of poop bags what your dog needs a drink and you haven't brought a bowl what to do with but fear not because there are leash and color systems on the market that promise to help you with all those niggly problems and much much more. I'm quite excited by this as someone off. Frequently dashes out of the highest without most of what she needs but my little kid and I nerd friend. You're not quite as enthused. No, do you remember the original Batman movie from the nineteen-sixties Kapow? Yes, in other words, although for the sake of accuracy. I was not born in the sixties. Thank you touch with this theme where Batman's on a ladder from a helicopter and the shark jumps up big rubber shark bites his leg right now of his utility belt. He pulls a can of juice shark repellent. Of course, he does a big can of whoop-ass. I sprays the shower can obviously the shark falls into the seat. I often see these all-singing all-dancing all inclusive these systems. Is it like to call them promising the world and delivering very little many of them offer some ideas that are genuinely good and a positive step in the right direction, but after next song Secretion that lets them down and you know quite recently I saw one that contains a water bowl with light a built-in poop bag holder a seat belt a shock collar. Of course, of course it. Y for best of all it's retractable what's retractable leash delicious retractable. So what's the issue with the retractable leash? Well, you know originally they were designed to help you teach a puppy to recall should come it will probably couldn't escape aside from the obvious injuries that people encounter on a weekly basis such as burns on their hands and I've read stories in the newspapers about people losing the tips of their finger what's Palm designer is self-defeating for a dog to actually go forever forward the dog learns. He has to pull a little okay. So, you know, it's encouraging pulling it makes walking a dog on a leash a lost cause I know a lot of people say but I want my doctor go forever. I want my dog to be able to explore more and surely that's a good thing. But very often the same people who are complaining that their dog is putting all the time, right? So either Club 1 days has been out as one nights. They should burn out walking the dog and this had the last week before bed. She lived in an apartment. So I actually had to walk my dog before going to sleep, And once you come back to her apartment block, you know, she took the buttons for left waiting for this to come okay on the doors of opened and she's walked inside. Okay, and it's the door closed. She realized her dog hadn't gone with oh my God. So then the lived starts moving up with the dog outside on his collar. And her with the retractable leash. She said, you know, she was hitting the buttons trying to get the lift to stop trying to get the doors to open that didn't work. So she was trying to browse open it over fingers that wouldn't work. So she even actually tried to bite through the lease with her teeth terrified about what would happen. And when she got to the third floor the doors finally opened and she come out and she ran downstairs as fast as she could the good news is just the end of the Court was sticking out of the elevator and there was no sign of the dog. Okay the dog after about ten minutes searching and managed to get out their apartment building and was outside in the car park sitting there shaking off. I don't know if it happened to me. Oh the potential for tragedy with legal issues is what disturbs me most about them. Okay. I don't have an issue with the poop bags. As I said in the introduction as someone who is is frequently more more debt safe than should be permissible quite frankly in society. I sometimes go out of the house with like poo bags my own fault. I'm not prepared know where she was me and having a little thing out for for poop bags and on your lead, but I had read that some of these devices have what's described as a vibration element in them? Why would that be necessary job? But without even before honestly, it's not necessary. Normally they'll be a reception on the caller and they'll be a button on like the handle of the retractable they'd okay. The idea being that say your dog is not listing and you know doesn't have good recall when he's running away you press the button so it sends a vibration to the dog's collar just like a punishment the dog is just absolutely dead Okay granted. It's not an electric shock. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it's important to make that distinction. Yes. Imagine this right you're out for a lovely walk some beautiful field and lovely Summer's Day. You've got the same rebirth you can smell of cut grass you can smell barbecue. So you try to explore a little more then you feel someone poking you be under shoulder blade. Yeah and you look around and no one's there. I continued walking and you get poked again and again and again, you know, what would that do to your mental health? Well, I'm quite certain when you describe it in those terms that the dog is not dead. The dog is just being the dog and surely it's going to be quite hard for the dog to understand why when it's doing what it normally does what it instinctively does that it's almost being punished. Absolutely and you have to remember to be able to take your dog out for a walk. You need to be able to handle the color. And if anything the vibration function is going to teach the dog to be afraid. Yeah, cuz this is the thing that keeps shaking random and I don't understand why personally I much prefer to train dogs. I'm terrified terrorized them one important question that I think needs to be asked and something that struck me when I was reading about these these gadgets these gizmos are they designed for the dogs or are they designed for humans are they designed to make humans lives easier? That's what I take from a maybe that's unfair. No absolutely, right. They are devices are convenience. Yeah, it's me and my poop bags in your poop bags. It's great having poop bags in your lead, but still there's only yep. Yeah, they Supply now I once got a life hack from the most unlikely of suspects on this topic Christopher Biggins know okay, my mother okay now my mother she she doesn't my poop box. She buys disposable nappy bags. Oh, I like one, you know you can buy them still for that one pound two pound for about a hundred bags from a supermarket enviro-friendly Scott's mom home is biodegradable and thirdly it makes the Poo smell like vanilla who doesn't like there are some aspects right? Obviously, you do need Pro bags. There's a less than me. I've seen some of them have built-in water bowls again. What's the problem with that? Nothing? You know, I think it's a great idea. I suppose point one is how much water can you fit inside like a retractable handle is in some water better than the water though. Yes, but what happens for instance? When you forget to enter your refresh it that doesn't appeal to me that much. I've seen others we've lights for the color and my except to be in the hands off. So you have a little button to push and it turns on the light on the dogs, but on the handle the leash and the light on the dogs color. Now I have this is I have first-hand experience with iMac blind. I have a Scottish Terrier some nights. I'd walk him up. You know after these. Yeah, and I couldn't see him. Yes, because he's he's dark color doesn't think yes. Yeah a brand new Sky. Yeah now as soon as he was running around in the dark and I put this light around this column, he would be almost blind in the distance. Why was that I suspect it was affecting his color perception to summarize a good long life gives you a doctor space for it to walk more naturally with you know, it's not natural for a wild animal to be harnessed beside you and we expect of our dogs every day. If you do want to see an improvement, no all-singing all-dancing Batman utility belt dog leash is going to make the difference for you. The only thing that is going to improve your dog's behavior is you dead. Have to put in the effort the hours and train with your dog. There are no shortcuts to a Happy Wok off off. My testicles is where we at Holy HQ change it to a particularly special dog. He's done something truly remarkable or episode 5 superhero story is quite a poignant one know as we celebrate the life of Kirby a twelve-year-old English Springer Spaniel this Plucky Pooch had a distinguished each year career as a search and rescue dog with the fire service in Essex home. And had worked in a variety of dangerous and challenging scenarios his job saw him or lifted in helicopters AB sealed on buildings and retrieved people from situations ranging from gas explosions to a collapsing Power Station when it wasn't hard at work. He also managed to indulge in a spot of fundraising for good measure Courtney tired from Judy last year having been diagnosed with cancer and he sadly lost his battle against the disease just a few days ago to Kirby. He touched the lives of so many and proof that not all heroes wear capes. We thank you for your service and instead of our usual white plastic Round of Applause. Here's a staggering bagpipe tribute to Kirby for being a very good boy indeed off. Thursday and then we'll both remember you can nominate your own light tastic with get in touch and tell us about that. Very special dog who's made a difference to your life contact us on Facebook or Twitter at talk to the Pol Pot email info at talk to the pole Instagram. Add talk to the poll part your stories and comments questions and suggestions are all welcome. That's all for now. Thank you for your company until next time. Goodbye. off
For The Many: Nice Beaver
"Hello and welcome to the mid week edition of the four. The many podcast. I mean Dale and Jackie Smith. Good afternoon good evening. Good morning whatever it is. I'm we are sitting here in a very very cold studio on Wednesday evening. The windscreen right up me gusset about being an auto walter softy. He's not that be Gills Blouse. It is not cold. There is a slight breeze. GIRLY SWAT now. We have a lot to talk about in the meager amount of time that we have for this podcast. So let's talk with the NATO summit which my woods submit to you. You're on other this is what is it. Good for Boris Johnson. Well well given that. Boris manage to sort of hide behind Christmas trees lampposts filing cabinets. Anything that he could find in order to not happy photo taken Donald Trump. She really think about was the agenda because he did have a couple of pages with him but I remember last night when I was on air. Donald trump arrived in Downing Street with Melania and So I did a Cape Lovely Cape. Yeah I did a live commentary so talking taking them into the Downing Street door and I say but whereas Boris. Why isn't Boris? Come out to mating. Because that's what would normally happen until he didn't do for any of the others either And this wasn't a US UK summit but even so the president of the United States. He kind of thing he deserves to be met at the door pretty unprecedented. I think talking all of them probably deserve to be met in the bill of sort of you know in and out stuff going on but it was a bit weird and I think the the Tories probably did have a strategy which walls Probably quite good thing. We got the NATO summit. Boris looks prime. Ministerial Quite Mike. Thing to remind people that he can do that. He hasn't of dropped any bees. Aw ticket more idiotic than usual during the course of it. You just can't help. But also he managed to largely avoid Donald trump causing any political problems for him because I think probably rightly he thinks the British people think even if that's always supporters Donald trump is a bit of an idea and if he it closely allies himself with Boris Johnson that doesn't necessarily do the toys any good and and even if it does tour supporters it hardens the Labor vote. Don't yeah I I'm not sure this visit will have swung any votes on way on the other. I think trump more or less behaved himself. Did that press conference so messed as soon as he arrived why he said he wouldn't get involved in the election but brexit was brilliant. NEAGH highlight Boris. You didn't really know who called him with anybody. Ideal offers an Downing Street would have been cheering when they had the cassidy's press conference because that was the opportunity for lots of mischief on behalf of the Westminster Lobby was which was in theory disappointing. Wasn't it really but I think he felt he'd been bullied. Blessing their full. He was liquoring off a not doing doing the final press conference. You don't really blame him for in a way. Because let's come onto the ATMs Justin Trudeau stuff. Because in a sense that really was trudeau yet again making all about him and he kind of didn't they. I just heard Jack Stroll talking actually about you know what it's like to be at one of these international summits. I never went to a summit light. This although you know Elvis I went to the places like that is true Camila around and you talk in a slightly more relaxed way out I don't I just you know call me old fashioned schoolteacher. I just don't think it's right to bad mouth e colleagues even if there isn't GonNa be a microphone and there was a microphone and I'm I don't actually blame the students. Even though he was part of the little gang the mean boys or whatever it was that they were. You know the interesting thing there while the two aspects of this that I think are interesting the fact that the camera was directly in front of just intrude. I can't be that far away from him so he must have seen it you so so therefore why did he speak like that. Maybe thought it was too far. Away the microphones wouldn't pick up. Maybe didn't give any thought at all. But Boris got away with that. Because Boris was the one that initiated it but just by CEO why you so late something I can perfectly reasonable thing to us but then of course treat. I couldn't help himself. I would also say that. I wonder who it was that leaked the footage with the sound. Because I'm not sure that that what was particularly responsible thing to do and I think just intrude even accounts down the guy. I think he would have legitimate argument to say well. That's outrageous. It's a fair putting preview. It must have been a UK broadcaster Brokaw of what was going on in that some. But we know you know. Don't don't say bad things In Buckingham Palace receptions because bad stuff happen Steve Prince Andrew. When when you do that make apart from that it will? It will went to reasonably okay. That wasn't really any news. Emerging from it was Say Sigh of relief from many Tories. I think yeah I mean it to be to be fair. They made some progress on Turkey. They talked about the China threat so they I think you know nobody will think it was a massive sort of mess up any probably was one of the more exciting things that's happened in Walford in recent weeks. Sorry my friends sir. What my friends in the woods luxury resort in Walford? Not something that you. Let's see what what is cool. The only place I've been around that maybe isn't even around this handy manner in which we used to hold conferences. There is a lot to go of course as well. Well I don't think it will say circles. This is in the nine hundred ninety seven the circus anymore now extinction rebellion Kellyanne have distinguished themselves today by dressing this bs and this is sticking themselves Democrat. Boss what are they they Alko so interview one of them later. I'm not sure that I'm going to be able to keep my librium. Well there there. Legitimate Point in their terms is there is no political party standing in this election election. That they believe is ambitious enough in terms of their climate. Change targets They are arguing for zero net carbon by twenty twenty-five talk okay Nobody of course comes no political party. Who Know that? They'll have responsibility for delivering. It comes anywhere near that So this is the point presumably. They were making too Jo Swinson. I think if you were going to choose a party to go out. I'm not sure sure Lipton's would be top of my list. I'm not sure gluing yourself to on. Electric Bass is the most effective way of chart record on this day because they they did the same way and but of course I suspect suspect one of the arguments they will make is but we win we movement in an organization with a leader so that this wasn't planned and so if you don't like it well it was awful. What if you do like it? We'll we'll we'll take we'll take credit for it This is this is an election in which I think. Climate change is probably played a larger part. I mean neighbors got a pretty eighty impressive. Green industrial deal is a major part of its manifesto. Although even that won't be enough Extinction rebellion nothing of would. That's the thing you need in. Probably in order to move things on an issue like that you need people who are going to move to the sort of furthest position with respect to driving the people and not just extinction in but others have driven the debate much further on this. Perhaps you would have otherwise considered. Personally I don't I like that. SORTA don't particularly like that sort of Gimmick but then I would say that because I'm a straight old recovering politician. Well I I think the acid test for these things things is. Do they actually bring anybody over to your side of the argument and I can't think of a single person the United Kingdom watching that listening to them talking to Jo Swinson cutting a single person. Personally Oh yes. I support them whereas I didn't before Which kinda defeats the object is imposed to the sort of quiet series determination of gratitude? Burke who I think actually has brought. She's made me sit up a note system. Look because I think she behaves with an enormous amount bounds of dignity in the arguments that she's putting apart from when she sees Donald Trump brilliant face the new statesman so-called Bible of the left for some. They've announced today that they cannot endorse Jeremy. Corbyn Kuban or labor the next election the first time in the history that they went back the Labor Party Let me just find it on my twitter feed because a lot of people people have been having a go at me for this but I think it is legitimate news when you have something like that in East Asia which as I say has always endorsed Labor in the past when they say this in long as toil the essential judgment that must be made is on Mr Corbin himself his reluctance to apologize for the Anti Autism in labor and to take stance on Brexit must make him unfit to be prime minister now. Obviously they don't endorse John so that hasn't critical words for him and people say why didn't as you point that out because it's new state for is always going to be critical of conservative but for them not to endorse a neighbor. Party is news in my view. They're they were going to be as always in general elections. Perhaps with the exception of Nineteen ninety-seven a very very tiny number of meteoroid organizations that willing to us labor. I would be surprised if you didn't get the endorsement of the mirror. But by the time we get to the general election next week apart from that. It's a bit difficult to see where else they'll get an endorsement from. You could not even sure frankly about the Guardian actually But possibly but you as you as you say you would absolutely absolutely expect the New Statesman to be supportive of a potential Labor government now. Of course the New Statesman is not in that part of the party. The largely actually not part of the party which is favorable to that sort of hard left. Politics led by Jeremy Corbyn. But even so it's quite a thing I think for them. I'm not even just to remain quiet but to explicitly say we're not. We're not endorsing him. In fact presumably not voting for him. Either from the sound of some people say. Oh yes well. It's always been a bit of a liberal publication. NO IT HASN'T I. You look at a lot of their columnists and grace blakely them. Down the line Corbin nesters firms. I can see lots of others to K The new statesman doesn't have a massive circulation but it's higher than it's been for a long very long time and I think the very same people the Deseo move along nothing to see here. Magic The spectator did this voice Johnson. which given the Andrew Neil is? He's not the editor. But he's the editors boss Bulls you. You can see some of that might happen. I it is dissolved. Now we've got the second head to head leaders debate Tomorrow evening opening Friday. And do we expect that to be a dial changer. I hope it will be more exciting than the I.. T. V. One It has any debate is a slight high wire. Act is not has the potential for somebody to trip pover- to do something the sort of resonates with the public either in a very positive or a very negative way Whether or not it will in case debatable. I'm not I'm not convinced it will but it is dangerous for them I'm presumably. They're preparing hard. And hopefully this is. This is nick. Robinson is comparing during this isn't it and I I I think it will probably have looked at the. It one unfought. What didn't work in that? And if he's got any sense and if the the BBC's got any sense they will try to ensure that there is a bit more person to person stuff because that was what was really missing in the it it debate. And that's what could make things more interesting if they challenge each other and then you see the whites of there is a bit more thinking Sonian our as well just not long enough. It really isn't as an hour on the BBC of course is longer than an hour on it but even so it's not long enough to get into the meat of things because again We at none of the debates have they discussed foreign policy tool nothing apart from brexit. And I think that's that's a real abdication of responsibility not in a way so it'll be interesting to see if that comes into this Now Jeremy Corbyn did an interview yesterday with those renowned political interviews Phil at Scofield. In Hollywood. Booby she's affectionately known. I believe by Keith. Lemon anyway do have of my finger on the button of popular culture as usual. Say Anyway we don't do that in the mid week put coast anyway so you didn't tell me this is a smut freezer movingly we can. Okay where was I. Smoke free with. Sheila is pillow. She gets very say petite and she gets no exercise and if I ever she she she says to me that I have a seaside postcard sense of humor which. I'm not sure she appreciates but we we gotta have a thing they have the day we're talking about Donald Trump and I know you're still trump has flown over. My sister's beaver lives in a house. Scooped Lord Sheila was horrified by this until Christian producer edited out and then she started saying of course. Donald Trump use the phrase. He's grabbing by the Pussy. I said hang on a minute. I can't say beaver but you can say Pussy Luc's better than beef into tweet a poll on this. I think thank the baby thing happened. Was that Paul keys or American pie or something. Where so? What are the couch? Nice beaver now. That was Airplane plane almost by heart. Because it's one of my favorite talk about twenty times each time I see something new in which one it was. It's the one which is Oj. Simpson criminal don't cost and those and Priscilla Presley is claiming coming up a set of shelving in order to get something off the shelves and he's done blown. He says Nice beaver and then she comes down and she's actually stopped. It's tough beaver. Haven't seen that but I'm glad you've you've clarified assigned to remind myself feeling. The point of discussing Jeremy Corbyn on this morning was that it was only a ten minute interview and they scofield's it was weird because they clearly had all the questions typed out on a piece of paper when they finish the question. They put the piece of paper to one side and went to the next one. No follow up questions tall. So it's a very soft interview until they got antisemitism and then for Scofield decided to have a bit of a guy kept asking to apologize. Then Jeremy Corbyn did this thing that he does in virtually every interview did it to answer. Neil he started. There's a video game round of daylight five ten times where he gets very exercised sized an clinches his teeth. Can I finish finish awkward to watch. It's awkward to watch. I think he's got some justification. Because Phillips Gopher question sounded a bit like You interviewed Jeremy Corbyn. You have to ask him to apologize but Philip. He has actually now apologized several. No it doesn't matter because I'd go to if he doesn't if he doesn't apologize before I've got the words apologize out of my mouth I'm GonNa go in and there was a little. Ah Jeremy was drawing a breath and flips. Gopher dies apologize. I do this. That's right. It amuses me that he does Elsa in virtually every intervened against very very indignant. Now we have a week to go. I mean by the time people listen to this. It will be a week to polling. Aw why did you like that. Because he sightsee okay about spending the night with you Ian. Oh you you. You've broken the embargo. Yeah didn't say what night they did. Should we reveal that on election. Night Right We are going to be obviously doing an election night program at L. C. which I will be co presenting with sheet of Oguchi in the company of Jackie Jackie Smith and quite a few others but we can't give any other details because they are officially being released. I think tomorrow so I have been told that I can say that much. So My lips sealed. You won't get anything more out of you can try as much as you. All you going to tell people who is on the Finnish people question this will be the fourth time I've hosted stood. LBC's election I think it'd be Sheila's third And suffice to say this is going to be a bit a bit of an extravaganza. Lots of efforts being put into this all get hair and makeup casually at some point I might pre met one out in Anyway so that's that but let's look at where we are with the week to guy because all the polls still showing a reasonably healthy tool re-lead one political As it is said to me today that he said you know everybody's thinking it's going to be a stoneking majority but no one does say so. Do you feel stomaching toy majority. I don't personally but it seems that there are a lot of people that do defense. What you definition of Stoneking John King is? I suppose fifty. I'm not necessarily sure about that. Do incidentally think it will be a Tory majority as of this moment despite the polls closing the polls closing My feel and you know this is justifiable is the Frankly we've got reasonably good. Manifesto is got too much stuff in it. So it's become a little bit unbelievable We've had some reasonably good performance during the course selection but people don't like Jeremy Corbyn and any sort of attraction that tamen twenty six seventeen has disappeared. He's become definitely a big disadvantage on the doorstep and I was talking to a to a Tory who I work with a Tory councillor actually on on Monday and I said we do much electioneering and interesting she he said Oh yeah. They sent me to a Labor area the other day and I got to hugs a nice little bravado in what she said to me but we weren't in front of anybody the else and she didn't have to say to say that and I thought Oh that's interesting so it feels to me as if people are perhaps marginally more positive about the Tories. He's and less positive about Labor possibly even than the poll suggests but who knows I may be wrong. We may end up in hung parliament territory and goodness knows where else next week. But I don't I'm not feeling it's at the moment I haven't put on incidentally and I usually do you interesting. I I've only ever done that once and I learned the lesson go. Oh no I want some money in two thousand fifteen in nineteen ninety-two sure told the podcast. Before but I put twin. Well I had never been into a betting shop before in one thousand nine hundred thirty so obviously led a very short and then so I said to my best friend. WHO's a solicitor Can You put twenty quid. Because I knew the heat bet quite a lot. And so he put twenty quid on a Tory majority of between twenty and twenty to eighty to one sixteen hundred quid pro really so the next day as we get the busing shop then I don't know how to tell you this popular car so that let let that be a lesson to you so I don't think I've really ever bet since since then Do Guard the life of me betting on politics this is a bit of insider dealing. Actually would you mean we know anything I think we do. I think we we have inside knowledge on some things like reshuffled. I could make lots of money on reshuffles. Never ever do it because I was thinking I'd be found out you see. I don't don't made me feel bad now. Am I going to be looked. Well we're going to be like being quite a few occasions. When I thought to myself I could make an absolute killing if I did this and by honestly honestly hand on our never have okay? I'm still going to bet but the one who for Labor I think think is actually the Liberal Democrat vote collapsing even further than as because Democrats are not going to go and vote toy. I don't think Some of them may just not boulevard at some of the might vote green. Some of them may go to Labor in some seats. That could be the difference. The toys in Scotland a quiet. It brilliant actually. I don't think again to lose many seats. It's fallen which I think at the beginning of the campaign we would have all of the seemed they would have lost but they got thirteen at the moment. I think most people thinking they would lose. He's ten Now I think it's probably maximum five and They they could actually even do better than that I think. No I think that's right. I I was listening to a very interesting discussion about Scotland which I don't know a lot about the other day but of course this country just north of India. I was a little bit. But of course. If you are a lever and you don't want an independence referendum. You will vote Tory where you in Scotland. And they're and we'll be a fair few of those and enough. I think types last night which I read out on the program it was from Jamie. He said I live in Edinburgh West and I'm a brick city tour but I'll be voting Liberal Democrat to keep the SNP out interesting because this there are two major issues. She's on iron. Scotland there is the independence referendum as well as the issue of Brexit. And there's sort of permutations of what you might vote depending on where you fall on those two thing but there there is a thought that Jo Swinson will lose our seats There is a thought that immoral will go back to being the only labour. MP in Scotland which would be from Labor's point of view shocking. So I think the one thing is the SNP get over fifty sees because if they do they have they have an absolutely cost on Monday for another referendum. Anybody says but how well do they once in a lifetime No but their argument I think is absolutely rock solid. I mean the the the argument that goes well the brakes referendum. We didn't know that was going to happen and we were always told we'd be in the EU Cetera. I mean you can do that one. But they fought the Scottish elections on a second referendum. And they will this general election on the second referendum. Not Now to me that gives them the mandate for and I think I think there's a hung parliament. It would be very difficult for the N.. Prime Minister to refuse that At this Victoria majority. I still think you'll be neighbors. Position is sort of Slightly interesting on this net because Nicholas Stejan says we definitely would need referendum in the first year in order to support Labor in a hung parliament situation. Jeremy Corbyn has said you know in the first last year Turmeric Donald Lists said something like not not until you cut to three is in the point for Labor is if you grant an independence referendum in Scotland and it is successful you will probably never have a Labor government in the UK gains quite an existential decision for Labour leader to make to Consign his party to opposition forever. Let's try and get crystal balls out. which in this cold think wouldn't be imagine that we are now Doing this podcast on Friday after the election and that the two we have got the majority doesn't really matter what the size of it is labor. The has gone down thinking twenty seventeen. They'll go to six to see so they've gone down to two hundred twenty. What happens to Jeremy? Corbyn in those circumstances because I think it's going to become a bit of a thing over the next week. I've seen it today. One of the two questions about this an well. I think it's inconceivable that somebody who loses to general elections as leader of a party can remain as the leader Apparently he's arguing that if that were to happen the You know he wouldn't necessarily early. Go and in some ways you. Will you not going to start a conversation a week out from a general election about what happens if you lose you say you know. I'm I think I'M GONNA win on campaigning to witness obesity. Forget what anybody else says Jo Swinson. Is this something that you think about in the last week or you just park in the recesses of your is because you know that you've got a job to do over the next week and therefore you can't get distracted by this point you totally knackered and you just have to Uttley focus on getting yourself to if the election next week. So I don't think you'll think about it And you know you you sort of can't the the thing about you know you for an election and the thing about an election is you have to be. And what's more you have to exude confidence for your team Landy. I think psychologically you can only ecorse you. You've go little doubts in the middle of the night and the things that you're thinking about but you can't afford to start sort of being introspective and humming Harry about things you've got to be confidence for the people the following you so I think they'll just simply be getting on with it and when you lost in two thousand ten. When did you know that you'd lost all? I knew the beginning of the election. It did you find that quite the same in two thousand and five. I knew from the February that I lost and I. It's quite difficult to keep the stiff upper leppin so keep motivating your troops when you when you know what's about to happen isn't it. Yeah I was going through a masochism strategy remember I mean and I sort of knew. Actually from the time I resigned. The I was the I was going to lose and certainly by the time we got to the standard gun. I'll finance US myself Jewish. Yes yes I. I wish I had an idea because possibly no I felt the Romley. Actually I owed it to my constituency party fats. Given the situation I was in at that point I would probably saved my constituency party. More favors Hadi buggered off and let somebody else fight. The seat I I felt that I you know. didn't want. I wanted to go down fighting. I suppose and it was. It was the wrong decision. Personally I'm particularly. Actually it is. Maybe we'll talk about this more in the we can put cost and and sort of what election night is actually like when when you are going to lease because I can remember as if it was yesterday. I take my emotions right throughout the night. And I I've written about it on my blog about of of Find the pace because some sort of quite good I think in that What what level of seats do you think that they would have to go down to Jeremy Corbyn to really recognize that he could not continue in you? I don't think I think if you lose you know I think if you don't win you will second general election as leader. You can't carry on us this leader. You know I mean. It's not quite as ruthless as being primarily football manager. But frankly you know if you can't win after two goes you can have to stand the silence. Consigning in politics we Normal politics and Corbin. I suspect if there was a leadership election he stood. He would still win it so he's still got the backing of the party. Not members email say in parliament. Now I'm not so sure about La- I mean. I do incidentally think if there was a leadership election. He's part if you like the party. May well win it. But I think there was some evidence before the election was cooled in the run-up to that period. The Joe McDonnell. It was getting a little bit tired of him that Diane was getting a little bit tired of him. I think let's listen. She hasn't had a good week. We'll add to help And so I'm not so sure that people are going to to rally around in the way that they did Previously and let's not forget. There's been an element of this election campaign that actually has been other people's leadership. The ship campaigns we talk. We've talked about Rebecca Bailey Repeat Kakinada who are sort of you know being loyal and they're doing what they need need to do in order to win an election but they are also setting outlets stools as well as performers and as people who I would have thought are going to put their names in the hat. Yep I think that's absolutely right. We'll talk much more about this sort of thing On the weekends edition. Let's just finish up but labor announcing a new policy see on homelessness tonight. I in the tores of already put out there rebuttal but things I there is an embargo. We will respect it but it. That's a neat link to me saying. Thank you to everybody. Everybody listens to the fall. 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I've never met her. uh-huh interviewed a couple of times. And I've always thought she somebody who talks normal and you're going to have a really good discussion. Do Pass a mind. Regards which luck doc. Because I'm not wishy. Any candidates Paul from Brandon. Obviously you can we shall slop. neater think it'd be interesting to see what you find the door set there because all of my intelligence from people I know who beat on the doorstep whether Tories or Labor they're getting the same message counselor states is not happy with Mr Coleman. He's at Clay Klay and she was of course one of the seats in the our people which is potentially going to be lost. Well that about wraps it up for today you you can listen to Jackie a little bit more on the Book Club. PODCAST I. I said that was lost. His actually going up Tomorrow Ola by the Honorable Ladies Book and and Christopher biggins is my guest on the Intel all talk podcast this week in. It's worth a listen. 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There Stephen Dubner and that's my FREAKONOMICS FRIEND AND CO author Steve Levin I've worked for two decades studying strange phenomena, Huey behavior weird circumstances, but Lebed is now ready to start his own podcast. It's called people I mostly admire and debuts on August twenty I subscribe now on Stitcher Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. Hello and welcome to another episode of Iway Jamile. I hope you're well, I'm fine. I'm feeling very grateful and safe and frayed because California is in real trouble. This is where I've been spending my lockdown I I mean not only we having all sizes kicked by covert but now there is a fire cluster fuck happening across the state. There is something I think three, hundred, five, thirty of which committed to be quite serious and there was a fire NATO last week which sounds made up but it isn't it's a fucking tornado with fire in it. So it's pretty heartbreaking just to know that after everything that this country and the city and the state has already been through to know that there's just more ahead when people are already just going through so much. Just please wherever you still have feel. So grateful for it practice gratitude and also anything you can spare. Let's all join forces to give to those in need I mean all around the world of course but right now, those who are losing their homes at rapid speed in California. With all of the the sadness and horror in the world right now. I. Do feel like it is important that we are able to access some sort of light and joy, and that's why while this podcast is about something quite serious, which is mental health and shame trauma etc. I try to inject as many humorous people into like possibly can and today's guest is no exception. He is a friend of mine he is extremely funny extremely interesting and insightful and completely unique. So unique that and he doesn't actually know this I can't believe i. didn't tell him when we were sitting down together but. All of the good parts of Johnny the. I'm pretty sure I copied from this person. He was definitely part of my inspiration for the things I love about Tony because I had to create from scratch and the things that I hate about her I copied from some people in the UK who account name because I'm still friends with them on facebook anyway I I'm so excited for you to get to know Joe Joe's had such an extraordinary rise in the comedy industry. So so a wonderful wonderful TV host Serbs, Hutch, a frank and hysterical young voice. He has also been through something extremely traumatic. This is so unexpectedly, he lost his best friend earlier this year just before lockdown not to cove it to something else that he'd been suffering with for a while and he's had to go through this grief period alone in lockdown and I think a lot of people out there can probably. Relate to having to sit in that grief during the moment where there's no distraction, there's no way to escape it. You just have to sit in it and so joe talks to me about grief at length, and it's also wonderful to hear a man talking about his emotions like that and what it's like to lose someone like to lose a friend but just generally, it feels so timely to have that difficult conversation and he really bad his whole soul sometimes in very funny and disgusting ways but also and very moving ways. We talked about so many different things Iot it cetera comedy his his. Truly. Bizarre form of activism that is actually highly effective and very, very entertaining. I'm not to say more because he should just get to know him and after you've listened to this episode I, strongly suggest you make a cup of tea sit down and youtube him for about eleven hours, which is what I do whenever I miss him. So without further ado, please enjoy. The. Joe. Joe Lisette. Welcome to I way. How are you? I'm really good. How are you I'm right. It's just so nice as your face it's been years how hot you think I am. I think Super Hot I was just thinking I've had like, let's find out. Hang on. Okay. I'm thirty, seven point one. Why isn't that? Close Not Looks is is normal. You'll under I think your temperatures. This is great sent to some grey yet to censor. Centipede. Thirty seven point one I think is just short of fever. APPs I'm slightly I'm slightly overheating when I've had an APP wheels hop doll just before you spoke to me. Tall Indian food to your Indian friend. I was thinking my way just had a. Other, Indian feats other. To steny carrier spos-, mice curious. Exactly. It's all just carry. All of it at all of it, I was thinking on the way here about the moment that we actually became friends and I think it, I can crystallize it down to a single moment of you and I were having dinner together. It was like a friend state. It was one of the houses the Soho houses I think short. we were sitting opposite each other, and it was so loud and packed in there that I could not love normally get the waiters attention in order for us to get the bills. So we could leave and so in a moment of complete panic balked are him. Yeah. The one sound that would get his attention is thinking why the fuck is there a dog in this restaurant and then immediately got the bail on you look at me with. That told me we can be friends for. I think. It was so unexpected I didn't announce it. I just gave one clean. I actually forgotten that. I can I'm back there in that chair. And I'm sure it had some sort of Indian cuisine on occasion as well. Probably probably and. Yet. I only do it them just to prove that I'm not a racist. Actively Racist. I was so thrown back by it it was. Ridiculous thing to do. You literally pops away yeah. No rude way just please pay some attention to me way. You getting agitated I can remember watching sort of. Flailing about sort of starting to get his attention and Gosh, that is annoying particularly when you're in somewhere like Sarah. So wherever we will shortage house, you've paid membership there to be there you feel like you should get better service than I needed to to go home and he wouldn't look at me. So I walked a win it did work it was an effective strategy. So. Anyone out there who needs to figure out if we have a go to restaurants ever again by Golden, tactic? How you typing lockdown, you will write you look. Great. Yeah. I'm quite well at the moment. I am. Of like everyone still struggle with had a nice time I worked. My absolute itself before lockdown kicked in and I was looking forward anyways having some time off and then suddenly the whole well just stopped. Oh. Okay. And so what I realized because the fans that I. was suffering with them this overweight anxiety beforehand and myself and everyone that I know it's sort of put it down to being. I'm just working too much and actually I think part of why I am found the exotic lifted in lockdown was because I didn't have to hang out with loads of the paper. I would normally have hung out with not to slack off my friends and family but I realized that actually I just a spend a lot time just saying oh. Yes, I'll go for dinner. Oh. Yes. I'll get to that pilot actually a really liked to sitting on my own and having a think. I'm done. I'm done lots of that. Say Lockdown has been a real way of doing that. From with me is a think normally conclusion arriva is open a bottle of pick poo. The natural thought processes ended with a glass of wine and so I've just been shit face for the entire time. On your new it just on your best. For four months. Normally on Uzumcu basically. So normally have facetime resume call and. But I'll be can hear what's going on in the background is that Say. Because it's Thursday night on my right eye live on quite long raid in Birmingham and it's full of absolutely Unisex and they started because we don't do the applause on Thursday anymore they want down the rate with that phone cords. And They used to to the NHS, but now they get done with Cohen's actually it's really nice 'cause they do collections for. Food Banks. But they really tournament. Racket. Tell Them I put a note through everyone story said I will be speaking to mill seven o'clock sharp pleased to not make not racket outside my house and. Maybe, that maybe there actually applauding me, they're not the NHL nurses for the great service of this podcast. Sorry I didn't think of. Now, that's fine. Click and how long have you had that with anxiety that you described before lockdown The first, the symptom which is really annoying is it makes me feel sick and a eight or drink on its its worst and everything closes up. But not even that like a stop of opposite sauce of ranch when I have like a glass of water wherever it's really Christ. Yeah isn't that annoying so annoying but also did you is that why it took so long to find because it was what last April last summer or something the Summer when I lost summer I I went to the number festival and I had a beer. and. It may be a bit weird. And then I just gradually as that day with own couldn't. Couldn't read a to drink anything and they just got worse and worse and to the point where I thought what got some so stomach issues so I went to bed and just took off. and I wonder whether I did have an actual physical symptom that has just been built up in my head a little bit. And then it just stuck around on an off mount and an I gradually started to realize because it is reading a passage in Bella Mackie's book. Could Jog on which is a brilliant book about how joking of helped her with her anxiety and she just described having a panic attack and all that stuff and how this are so. Tech and so am. I realized it was was threat. Did you not think for a while that it was just like an actual illness like my ass. Illness Yeah thought I had like. Some. Sort of stomach. Whatever? Now, it's the old brain box so that I found really interesting exercise say. There's a therapist of saying and she the main trick was beer and she just said your homework is have a pint of beer and I love that as as a homework but at the time because it was so terrifying to me as. Oh I'm not sure I can do that and she said what's the West it could happen not be sick and she's not your in house on your hand just be saying, let's say what leash Iraq and so just had a struggle with the first pint, and then there was the second part of the Pie and then I, saw it's like a challenge and that's one of the things discovered with anxiety is the if you kind of when he failed in a like a paco ever coming on dent resist and actually almost it sounds ridiculous Willie on and go come on let's have a fucking Pau. Then, than it doesn't really have anything to hold onto Catherine by talks about that, it's about the you've just go to see if the world does actually end when you do the thing that you were most afraid of. No it doesn't wait. So okay. So. Do you have not from. From what what is the Arctic? That's the thing that I don't understand is it could you be having like a bad reaction to bear or bear trigger you to remember something boarding the basic is trick. Trick to remember something right A. But. Which is essentially that moment that time when I was having that Bayer and suddenly I was in a social thing. I. Was Around People Enough Outline should be having fun and everyone else's having fun and I was thinking aecom have because swallow. And then you start into this weird spiral head thing. That's interesting. So something. So so actually the anxiety is kind of a symptom of what happened in that moment. In a way. Yeah. Yeah I think that. Those. At the moment that I remember specifically as being in a GIG, watching stand up show in a my friend Harry Potter bear we sat down and we were like watching this stand up show radi good aren Chen is nine is very funny and I'm. Just couldn't drink the bay on just said Oh you fix enough well, he ruined your life you should save. I I am in the process of. New York. One of the other thing is A. Friend of mine. Very close friend of mine had. Died just before lockdown. So this is the thing that was so slightly. Weighed about lockdown as the this friend of mine he's All, well, he has. He's been two more things than anyone else. In my life and temps evacuees. So follow me to GEIC slow. All the way up to get that crime not Shabina elise different things done and he was pretty much all of them. and was a very close friend and he tag next a few years ago with Bowel Council, which gradually progressive that he died I for I think it was just a week before we locked down. No No. Sorry. A couple of weeks after lockdown the dates of confused me but he died of stomach cancer and Abou- cancer the his stomach was the kind of the source of a lot of his. Illness obviously and I think imagery from that has created because I I always prided myself on having quite strong. Temperament in terms of from. I watched I'm a celebrity in Kangaroo House five of those I love. I'll do it. In a Nice Mayo and that'd be that'd be a nice meal for me I'm so of. Eighty anything I'm quite I'm quite. Excited to explore food. and. Then suddenly can't even drink a glass of water and I think some of the been through a bit of a trauma watching what happened to him and I think that in some ways properly. Added to over anxiety Mike Experience seems to not have one exact. Source is kind of build up of things. And I'm. A need you of clutching a little bit around. So our start whatever. I think if you really trying to find a specific. Hans so you're not GonNa get one and essentially just could arise right that crazy wave. Yeah and they say that it's sort of a symptom of something that will start with a gentle knock disorder like little little something and then if you ignore and keep doing whatever it is, that's triggering you it'll get a bit louder and then it turns into a buying and then it's like. Breakdown yeah. So. I think that busy people and show Biz people as well where where trained to always be soft shiny and fun and come with the good anecdotes and be the sort of life and soul of the Party and so therefore, we are very very inclined to miss those symptoms because we're so busy focusing on others with performers as well. So we're just built to perform even sort of social environments even with each other over the phone, there's an element of it at all times and I. Think that for a lot of people anyway that the lockdown has created this stillness that you cannot escape from, and so therefore, you can hit a knocking louder than ever before I'm really sorry about what happened with your friend and I I imagine it must be strange to. Not have that person to call. During a time like this. When you say witnessing your life, it's so strange to not have a not have the chance to grieve properly 'cause he's so you he died and then everything changed and so. We didn't we had a ten people at the funeral whatever we didn't have a proper thing and I'm we will eventually. But we had a lot of friends law people loved him and We didn't get the fair well. We didn't get that kind of shed crying and hugging and all of that because we weren't allowed to say and so I feel like I've got delayed grief as well. Like got this sort of. Pending. Sadness because actually a lot of the time. I actually I'm generally quite good grief anywhere of relatively philosophical. Basset but. As much as I would have liked. Because a lot of good cry I really like getting out. And I haven't done that it'll come. It'll come when you least expect it and least wanted. This podcast why exactly I was challenged challenge accepted Joe. I why could dealing with grief? Normally how philosophical about great I feel like that could be handy to everyone right now considering that we are surrounded by we are just marinating grief currently. I'm not sure any wisdom to impart. It's just it's just the way I disagree stiff up. To Congress. Theory. Shove more and. What you have to do you have to if you lose one friend, you have to kill enough says, it uses of overwhelm yourself with it, and then you can move on now. I find where my my grandfather died, and then another friend of mine died on our side about both of them. I have a really normally it takes me a few days normally around the funeral days after I have a massive cry like a proper Claire Danes Remigia. Crime. Yeah Around US get out it's doing big. It's like a big Old Grief Poo and then member. Of Your is a little grief of your is base maps though, isn't it crying? Revolutionary. Purpose does it serve to sort of leak of your face but I have a fucking allergic reaction to tears I don't have other people have this but my face cannot cope with salt water at all so. Cry, I immediately looked like after two bollocks have replaced where my is used to be my words are. Old. Candy bollocks. Let's say. Yeah. I might have to try. To paintings that thank you. Yes, place. So I can't I can't even the whole time. I'm crying I have to this is really embarrassing. I can never fully immerse myself in grief because the whole time I'm crying. Immediately. James to go get me like a cold wet cloth so I have to sit. Wash Wash Wash Wash. So. So I'm having an allergic reaction, the entire time crying. So I haven't gotten to fully indulge in a big old. In. It's so good is really good. You need to hope something on what will trigger like titanic or something. I fucking hate titanic? Cry. Hey. Mentioned just because I cried heavily at that when I was a child, I'm not sure if I watched it now whether it would affect me why don't you the firm? I think. My mom loved the film and so we went and saw it in the morning and then she made me see it four more times day. Could she took love this slow much. Sorry. So Titanic five times in one day. Four or five times, but we just stayed much can and. 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That's just go to youtube forward slash Jamila Jamal, and we can learn together. I, know it's embarrassing thirty four year old started a youtube channel but fuck it. anyway we. We, took about your very serious loss of a friend to the stupidest place ever are you checking? Again Okay Checking Gone Down By. Point one. So, we say. Cooling down real tyron. We've got. Okay. So yeah. So the next time every week terms of endearment that is the film always kills me and I cry and cry. So I'm going to write I'm going to do that so you are. Benadryl, before you know some sort of antihistamine, Sirleaf skin doesn't blow up or maybe sort of to put some vaseline on the cheek. So it just sort of rolls off the vast selene I think I think that's a good idea. So you were yet to have the big pook up your is the big cry and feel little, Poos okay. Is. I've done some little fats. Idea, the little fouts cry fats but my mate Fart noises and then is it like because life isn't but to norma does that make it more surreal? Guess because. Die For it doesn't you're. Going to play with that passive, I don't hop on about this. I'm not trying to make you cry on this podcast just I, think because I I know people I lost someone a couple of months ago and I know that a lot of people have during this particular time and in something that not a lot of people are talking about. So I really appreciate you even telling me that And it's okay to not feel the things right now because everything is so surreal and and so abnormal on. You're not yet going to the places maybe you went to with your friends. So if you are out there and you have lost someone and you feel bad for maybe not having had your big pook cry. which is what I will now forever refer to as. then there's nothing wrong with you. You'll just on pause grief rumbles. Back from polls. Yeah. What about love have you been doing any social distance checking? God I wish. I. It's been a long time since someone actually wiped me off. That's all I'm after really. Yeah. Even after. Even after full then just like A. Mo Pen. Full Pan Penetration unbelievable. So full pen for sure. I just a nonchalant hundred due. To the world of good right every thought about during the stranger rank you sit in your hand for three minutes that goes nominees and then it feels. How Far I didn't have the dexterity for that. It's not that there's a few angst I agree with this that there was one that was described to me when I was. A school which known as the danger wonky familiar with this. Yes. GonNa explain it to those who didn't grow up around other. Attentive. I remember this day. Neanderthal. Them. Basically. You shout. Mom. You're. Your and your. Mom and Mindy start ranking and you have to Jeez before. She comes up to your room. This the danger. Wang. Own. You've got no one to do that with right now because you've been doing. Win. Could call the cat up and go I sleep in the attics. He's got two flights of stairs to get up site you enjoying not being in a relationship right now during this pandemic I fucking love it. That's I. Really Love Spending time on I I'm so fun on my own. Riot. DEMARIA. Drunk Guy. Yeah That's the main thing I've learned in lockdown is that I really don't need the amount of human stimulus that I thought he did. A bit of a chat with someone even just over text or ever a day I'm dom. Need I don't need to be seeing people have a lunch or dinner and then. Coils of meetings this identity while I love a search quiet time with with my because I find that every every interaction I have with someone needs sort of. percolating afterwards needs to be thought through and to really kind of get the most out of it and a lot of what I was doing. Pre Lockdown was having interactions of pain doing matt and things that just not moves of human normal and. And then having to deal with those in. The mall out the in about thirty seconds count the next thing. So it's no life. It's no life. No, I. Agree I've had a big wakeup. Cool during this pandemic during lockdown of what's the just working too hard. I was working so much and it's why I was making a lot of mistakes and really fucking careless publicly, and it's just I was in chaos for years because you'll just like going from one thing to the next thing to socializing to go back and then try to be a girlfriend tried to be a good employee tried to be a good boss a colleague like just it was so much have a second to stop to read to learn to. To to reassess that's where I'm at. If you think about how much we change year to year, and before we are at our forties or fifties, it's so dramatic and so to not have any moment for respite to. Recuperate from that change means that you just end up making terrible mistakes. You can't access your instincts as easily and I. I think I think it's only of why I've been a bear for sometimes. Is in other ways I am just a try and I'm just ignorant but I do think the I've just recognized that I wasn't looking after my health, my mental health I'd anxiety and I was missing my actual life and actual start to associate with going out and climbing mountains and seeing millions of friends but actually sometimes life is just what happens to you. In Moments. Yeah truly and. I call mine, sit and stare which I haven't had time. Coming out. Utah Quentin Chris Clinton. Chris wrote a lot and sparkle about how he did not obsessive Quentin Crisp I've read his stuff lights. How he would just do nothing and people found that really annoying and they'd say she must have some things listen to the radio something and you know I I say I concede. Occasionally, I blink A. Lot and he used to love doing nothing. His favorite thing today we're coming out of this oversee everyone needs to work everyone needs to make money but I definitely want to change how much obligation I feel to to be sociable to walk to do everything that comes along I think because and I you and I. Both kind of found success. In a sudden moment and so I think that when that happens and when you know that you're so lucky to have found that moment of success you then feel guilty about the idea of saying no to anything because you. Moment's GonNa run out and you had. Like it was so fast. I mean I feel like. Maybe it was two thousand and thirteen the first time I ever see you do stand up and that tiny little theater in London, and then within just a couple of years, you're a household name five I've seen senior rise just it was just so fast and That must have just been a situation where you feel obligated to do everything go every day to go everywhere as a up you're in a different city every single day sometimes zone these ridiculous tours, and then you're also hosting TV shows and then being super sociable. What was it like for you becoming famous really fast. Well see I would to speed the I didn't feel that it happened that fast actually it I think lots came at once in the last few years in terms of tally gigs in terms of getting recognized, it did fill Festa, tell you did them I ten cats? Cold yesterday is. A commercial. Area. because. There's a spinoff now isn't the so that psycho British Panel Sheriff Room Fear American listeners and A very popular one at that and I went on his guest might be four or five years after starting up and so saying that people I went to school with no kind of clot because. Not. Many people go on that show that you know I suppose. I was expecting to finish doing that show and step out into the street and just PAP scaring off. The, you know being all the papers and all of that. So Stephan. Shared. And so then you realize you start to realize that it's A. It's an accumulation of work that starts to get you recognized. I've just gone through the whole cliche thing. And I genuinely never go into stand up all I've never made decisions based on being famous. There's A. There's a distinction in terms of growing your profile in order to do the things he wants to do but I always just want to make things and want to have the. the. Freedom to make the things I wanna make and when you doing standup oversee won't show off to as many people is not quite as possible 'cause arenas stu- still slightly. Frightened may be. You want to have a big audience. You do want to get a bit famous in order to kind of get that audience. But I'm I've gone through the cliche thing of a getting a bit of fame and having a confusing relationship with an entirely liking it once I achieved it. I'm finding it. Sometimes bit disruptive into associates. For example, and this is This is a acquired extreme example was in the hospital with my friend. This was Tonight at six months, a Saturday and. I went to the cafeteria to govern them half a lunch sat down as having this lunch and this woman came. Home, my God I love the sewing. I love that show and my friend lapsus while she's in, she's just having a spinal surgery actually that she's just having right now you can. You film a video for her to say about and I thought you have fine and then says she to start filming man aside what's her name and she had a complicated name and I got it wrong a couple of times she's she. Said? No, no this and so then I'm like also. An An. Having Glad. You let the show sewing be thinking why are we said having funny on fucking spinal surgery let's say then you just have any sort of panic moment and then like I'm dealing with like I don't feel famous personal feel like a friend who's in a hospital hoping some of that grief and I just did this video I'm going to step back in my other friend was with me and she was what the fuck was that like what you just said a load of weird things I'd love to see that video because it is just. fucked. Where's your spine gets ripped out? The dictator. If you're out there and you took that video of dry La Jolla pleaser tweeted at me. Jimmy to. engaged. With this episode. And the thing is this no malice does nothing but joy and love their essentially. She's she's worried about a friend This video will help friend who knows it may well have done A. It's all. It's all good but I didn't sign up for at the same time. And it just comes at any suddenly. Oh Shit. You're famous. Oh, forget and. Parts of that I. Find Difficult Times as the time I love meeting because everyone. So Nice to me I'm not. I'm not particularly controversial figure. So people aren't getting you anchor wherever ensure that will change but. After this. The body is found. Yes. Oh I I've gone through quite. So. Of cliche segregating. Oh, this is exciting. Oh, this is annoying. It's quite funny I. I was I. Remember I was in London a year and half ago I was having a blazing berry obvious row with my brother like the way the only siblings can fight and we're scraping each middle of Soho like fully furious to both of us red in the face, which is really hard for Brown people to achieve. You have to be very very. To be able to see that complexion on us and a goal just fully, and she had no bad intention. But she came into this shock I'm GonNa get a picture with her and came up to me in the middle of the argument and broke up the fight to ask for a Selfie on a video for her friends and she just kept on saying. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. But just still kept on doing it and still kept on photographing and filming, and you'll just like well I guess that is part and parcel of this extreme age that we are afforded but it is really funny some of the moments that I have taken pictures of people are just unbelievable. Sometimes I'm in hospital taking pictures of the nurses like. It's just it's just a funny old thing. Does it make it hard today? Well. Yeah. If I was dating I am really I mean. Occasionally. This is what happens to me. I get horny about three times a year. When the moon is that it's Just. I hold about three times a year. It's normally one of just finished a big job and the finish, not a ham. I've just finished. I can bake work thing and I think on. Stuff ACCARDO. And I am I've realized I'm like a cat. Have Having Winston who I've only looked after during lockdown he's my friend's cat who I've basically adopted. Never had a cat. looked. After before and I really like him and I think it's because he has similar temperament to me, which is he loves soccer Katelyn whatever, and then suddenly you feel vulnerable and you can't predict when it's going to happen and then he's just not interested in new tool just fox off on the come back for a little bit and then there's no consistency with unless it's around food and. That I WANNA cuddle. By cut mean full pan and then. Once the cuddles done. Yeah. I've had a bit of a kind of actual cut afterwards. I JUST WANNA get on with my life and so. For the rest of the season until the Moon reaches its Its peak again or wherever it is an. And I think it's a slightly product of the amount of work, but also just i. think that's just. Slightly my temperament and that's not great for most people not looking for someone who's like sat no. No, that's not ideal. That's not very giving relationship or take a very long time to have a sustainable relationship with you. So far and few between. That's it. So I just haven't so. I've had little bits of kind of from interest wherever and people tell me that I'll just find someone and now. Whatever and I into the I'm totally open to the whole thing. But what I've realized is for longtime I was dating people because I felt like a ship dating people and not actually you end up doing is kind of Wasting time because you get to someplace I, just go Ashley I'm not GonNa be able to see that much because I'm working whatever and. Four ivories and desperately effort in and so I just don't feel like. They want anyone elephant I, WANNA waste. Anyone's time. Can I? Ask You about your sexuality Joe Lisette. Yet go on them and you have spoken publicly about being Pan Sexual, which something is not a lot of people will say I. Saw alluded to my own punctuality and was met with extreme mockery. What how did it go for you fine and then I had a horrible week when Lipton pay came Penn Sexual. And I didn't say anything for most of the time but everyone had to go can't remember ever and we just felt like this is. I think Pan Sexual. Is Trending on twitter and there's this wall of people being is should not have fucking nonsense they everyone does live. A jumping on that I'm and saying again, I kind of woke. Sandbag answer a bandwagon in an older. And Am. And in some ways assumes disagree with them because I have jumped on the bandwagon because of heard a word that I felt defined me. Better than any author and so without hearing that definition, I didn't invent the term pan. Sexual. Without hearing that Got Somebody Creating Walken a bandwagon I wasn't on the band wagon right but I think there's a difference between saying someone's learned new time that they find they identify with vs someone said Oh that would make me sound trendy and they don't actually identify with sexuality but they say they do in order to be allowed in some sort of magical fun club which they consider. Plus a plus. Hugely. Martin I will be. We'll say a miss saying it to you Casino Times reporter is. beaver no. I with everything you just said a do still feel like being sexual cool like I feel really cool being section I'm glad I am I feel like it's the power of me. I'm proud of that's like I'm the flavor of the moment I'm not being stoned to death. I feel I. Feel at this point in time I'm glad that I'm pan sexual right now rather than years ten years old whatever because it's so What do you explain? Yes. Okay. So explained because the whole time that we each other before you had. Define yourself as bisexual and still do still. So Basically A. Is Sir bisexual. So I'm attracted to both men and women. The problem with that would and is not huge problematic aren't really give share It's an intellectual I. The reason I use pen sexually intellectual way of describing how I fail about my sexuality. You can define your a say in all sorts of beautiful excessive remarkable ways. You could be attracted to. Young people people you might like Daddy. Offset SORTA faker Oh you know there's all sorts of different. Yeah. Do you know it's an awesome? Of younger sort of. Young bear, basically young. Young Harry Charlie. Survive. Well less Chubby, really more of authority. And little pause. Say this all sorts, different things and gender is one of them and I can't deny that certain times. I'm more attracted to certain genders than others, but often it's just to do with the individual an not. Sometimes, not even that it's just like you just fail of is sexy and not mobile and he doesn't really matter who it is. You know you get the look of someone thing that'll day and he just. kind of feel like sexy and my friend came up with this theory about a g think you could have a wink of of really good rank rather than like thinking about some having sexist video whatever an individual you just have. You think back to a really good. Thank you had. Such a good wine ca could wind about that wink. I sent to you in any way. I'm interested yeah. Yeah Yeah. So I've gone attention there but basically, there's no, there's no gender there. There's no individual. There's no sexuality is just sexuality just you just Avenue Lank and You just avenue white night. So I sometimes I'm just having a rank and it doesn't matter if it's male female whatever is. You just a sexual being and say pan means. And say, just it's an a casual term for basically saying I'm open to anything and. And often my sexual attractions things. So kept me going. unpredictable on the not. In the not entirely, they are somewhat A. Controlled by genda not know near entirely like that's one element. Often it's sack the shape of an arm or you know the way someone looks at you or if you had a bit too much to drink and you just fill in a bit nimble, it's all ties things. Yeah. For me I, I fall in love with people and I am attracted to people based predominantly on personality so. Personality Sexual Yeah Truly. Nice Nice personality section asymmetrical lack of. Sexual. Let's see how that goes down in the fucking next times interview the. I think that's what it is is the old enough with people I'm attracted to people and I don't have a type. Every single person I gravitated looks completely different from the other and they are completely different. It's just if they make me laugh on said, that could be a man, a woman or agenda non-conforming person but I think is really good to have that to have someone speak about it in a way that just. Doesn't make it sound like a trend or phase. You're just you just love who you love fancy who you fancy I don't think that should be something that's terribly dramatic. The fact that it still met with such radical I mean I understand it's not unpredictable that pan sexuality would still be something that is so marked when we still haven't really come to terms with bisexuality but by phobia is still very real and I'm sure that. All the time with people being like Oh you gay or straight I'm in a you know a Hetero relationship with a man right now. So therefore, people have said that have I cannot possibly be bisexual or anything other than completely straight because I'm trying into have specific life partner I fallen in person not the gender. Yeah. The. People so. Curious Sunday, the way they suddenly. I'm. Decide that they know you all The by thing, I've noticed most of the BI phobia I've had is from the gay community and. Often older gay man. I raised a blog about this years ago Christopher. Biggins said something about him out bisexual men ruin women's lives is what he said because basically, we will come on the road to being gay. We haven't that yet, and so we funny about with women and they get attached and then we were in their lives because got assaults with gay actually and. I can sort of understand from that generation y you would say that because. People. died in order for us to have the right to sleep with. Whoever we want to, you know as long as everyone's consenting and naturally you create communities and little suspicious for yourself. So a safe like the will make. I love the gay scene in Birmingham particularly that's a safe space for. Those people and if suddenly there's people like me coming came when I'm a bit year but I'm a bit over there as well. I can see why you're a bit like woke hang on argue because are you trying to attack me or not are you a threat? So I do get that I understand why that's happened. To some degree, but you would hope. Doesn't take long for you to go. Now I'm I'm entirely with you I'm just also gonNA. Go and smash some purse. Not Right now because that's the other thing is that people think that bisexual people are More Permissive. Just, enjoying, smashing how much How Much I got away with saying smashing some purse. This is consenting to the. I I've shopped myself with. Do not. Oh Gosh. Becoming well, it's been it's been four and a half months. You've seen some post. So I'm not surprised that you no longer than that. TIMISOARA purse. Of the Winston. Offer, the good old. Winston. Well. What I was saying, you know bisexual people are also considered to be more promiscuous. So therefore, I can't imagine what they think about Pam sexual people because you seem like, well, you if you if you're always attracted to perhaps the other. Then if feel also attracted to the agenda, then therefore, you can never be fully faithful to someone who is just one of those binary. It's that's not a thing that's the same as being. Unfaithful of your straight person in a relationship. There are billions of people on this planet who you could be attracted to or want to have sex with a want to cheat with, and you don't you're either a Cheetah or not sexuality does not make you more or less promiscuous. Just changes who you're attracted to who you can fold enough it. It's it's it's quite a lazy. Thing there isn't. Also the accusation that your. More promiscuous is is unfounded at least in my experience because I only have three opportunities a year to be promiscuous with my with my. holiness. But will say if you are really promiscuous nothing wrong with that being safe, just fuck over you on this long as everyone's up for it. Shackled Day let's lovely. It's nice. Talk a little shy. I agree I. Have I have more promiscuous straight friends than I do by open. Gay Friends even well, I'm glad that we've had this chat, I think I think that's important and I think that no one should ever feel that you're just trying on a costume. If you say that you are Pan Sexual if you identifies whatever sexuality, it's all fine love and sex is good and fighting and being mean as bad. So you should feel. Around just loving who you love. That's mice fighting and being mean is. teasha. Okay. So another thing, I won't talk to you about every briefly, etc. Take loads of your time because I know you like to be on. Time. This is a podcast where we touch upon things like sexuality touch upon shame we touch upon mental health, but we also talk about them and you're someone who I'm not sure everyone recognizes activists I fully fully deem you us when you were just the most lulls vist on the planet. You have decided to take it upon myself to be the knight in Shining Armor to people their complaints we please explain your new role in society couple of years. So A. In an as quickly as I can describe it. In my standard a discovered early on I. Could. Found this only niche and Particularly I've discovered. The person done it lays comics have done similar things but essentially writing correspondence emails and letters whatever to a generally bureaucratic institutions, local councils, and big companies whatever and just basically piss about with them It's like your complaint. Letta. Love rang a complaint letter I get myself real really riled up, and then I can really go for it fired up about about getting a parking file and responded to it and got it was so funny and everyone thought I was absolutely amazing and it did very well viral and I'm a viral style did thank you anyone out there. Joe Do this again, please go and look up Joe lisette parking fine, and it's truly one of the funniest five minutes of. Your Life. But go on. So I'm. As my profile started to rise than TV, companies are interested in making a TV show with me and they were asking me us. Won't today whatever and with a M- the guidance of a few different. People who have now ended up making show with I've I've done t series now who Jerry Rice it's got your back and it's Sorta like him. There's an old British that's life which is where. it was hosted by a strengthen and would be basically taking on complaints from people in sort of saying there's a new practical watchdog, which is similar things is consumer issues. McCoy is gone and the company's ignoring me what you're gonNA. Do about it, and then the TV company comes in helps the because I'm a comedian. As comedic Lee as possible. So we take on these these big stories and we try and tackle them in a funny way and we do that one because I'm a comedian but also because It's one thing that I think activism at its best does really well when he say really funny blackout a protest that can be very, very powerful and. Huma can really a lot of company well, individuals and companies are terrified. They didn't really mind being exposing wrongdoing as long as they kind of concern about away with it but payoff companies really go into overdrive when they feel that the companies that representing a being made to look silly because that can be so damaging to Brown. the the big example this year that I did was. On. The series series we did we took on a story about a small brewery in Wales. Boss Brewing who had been center what's known as a cease and desist letter, which is a legal letter. Telling the company to stop using. The word boss because. Come from the company. Yucaipa because they deemed this little. Swans eight PM, ruining that billion dollar business ops and so am. Way looked into it and realize he kept done this to a few small companies and so I. Decided to tackle this particular issue by. Realizing that Hugo boss, hate that name being used, and so changing my name by deed politique eyeballs, which I did for few months and caused somewhat of a storm. It was beautiful. It was so funny I can't believe you're officially legally changed your name to go boss, and then you change all social media handles an only refer to yourself as Hugo. Boss Change. Everything. Everything and the only thing that I couldn't get done with the passport driving licence because I changed my signature to is Hugo boss cocker bowls and apparently that's not allowed. So I wonder if I need to get it framed that she the letter from the dvr lay who says the ECON- have An obscenity as your signatures must. But yeah. Tool intents and Pepsi's is he gave us I. It was so thrilling those days when they first announced it and it went like. It went around the world it was on CNN it was on India news vows getting request to do news all over the world and. A because it's just such a simple idea. But kind of made the point while I think his funniest. Well, it's such a stupid thing today also telling truth to power you'll making them look really stupid for being this and decades and decades decades existing long and raining multi. Just huge corporation who built this tiny little new brewery over the use of a word that it's just in our language new original word. Now how did they respond they like it? No. We had from their lowest in ways at they gave they in the end they statement saying like they welcomed me to the family and the Hugo host family? I will not pick Christmas this year. I can tell you that for that and that they had constructive talks with the brewery which the prairie I imagine disputes because the pocket by. Tens of thousands of pounds and so am yet I definitely pissed them off for awhile and the brewery of had so much interest in whatever as a result you know they've. Not. Sure. Exactly. But it wouldn't surprise me if they've made back the money that they lost in legal fees through the added sales type say. So that was good fun, my activism are space then is I'm always looking for how to keep those companies in checking guy hang on. GotTa, keep doing that you gotTa Cape making the right decision regardless. Because this, this company, the one that I find. Says Skin Crawling Louis. infuriating is appreciate ways who actively sponsor Brighton Pride have big. Bus. Every year I think Kylie's played on at once ever said, and they changed their logo to the gay flag as well. Done APPs. And You know they they really go for and show that show off the super pride positive whatever, and then they also take a. Thing, they still take contracts from the Home Office to deport people, lgbt people to countries where is illegal and dangerous for them to be. So on the one hand they're like, oh. Yeah. We really support Lt Rights, and then on the other hand the literally taking the two countries to. Support them and we need to solve catty you just you just a company that had just making money and you just trying to find a way to banks do all the time, and so that's where my activism comes into psych. it's obviously a my program we do in a smaller way, but essentially, it comes from a distrust of the motivations of companies and. And the way they treat people in an often treat them with shem a not even the the employees the at not even the customers, the employees treat them with such lack of dignity. A lot of the time because of course they accompany doesn't care if you live is lowest keep making money. Yeah. Well, I think it's a good. This year has been a good lesson for us to see how many people have been so formative and then as soon as they do they get cooled out by their employees. About horrendous mistreatment we've seen so many people have to step down from companies I. Think what it says to us is that it's wonderful that change is coming and that is down to us as the people for having made so much noise that we now actually have the power. It's also just very important. People recognize that we have all the power we've vote with the dollar and the pound we get to decide who are the big corporations we get to decide who are the big superstars and the influences, etc.. They don't control us we control them. We are the puppet masters it's just been. All these years where we thought it was the other way around. So we're when you're seeing all these companies engage in all of these things on follow block, mute delete, and do not give them your money start to give to the companies that are actually doing the right thing because you can build them up to be the next super. Corporation you have old absolutely. Yeah. Joe. And that's happening so much. We could talk about this. Come. Joe Thanks for coming on and talking to me about all of this stuff today I'm GonNa need you. I'M GONNA need to get you back on at some point because it's just so much more to say but before you go, would you tell me? It. What are you way? I was reading this question because I don't really know. I think highway. Essentially at core a a a desire to make the right decisions to do the right thing. Essentially might the right decisions be kind but also not take anything anything like literally everything too seriously it's all innoncence gets all right for being. picked apart an amid silly and. It's all a laugh. Well. Thank you very much Thank you so much for listening to this week's I way. 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Still I've made some of the staff who worked for two would be exciting and then the day before. Dr Into London to meet my guest. The lockdown was brought into a full, so it was it was gone from the Oh to to now a couple of months later into my house, and into my guest houses very exciting, so it's still counts I'm still saying I've played. The to in a way is very nice to have me. I'll give you. Not much has been going on 'cause I'm in lockdown but I've been looking after my kids quite lot instead of working. It's difficult enough to your own. Kids warned me that this would this would happen. This is the worst thing that's happened. What I like about hanging out with kids is they get pleasure from very simple things. My daughter's five Muslims to they get a lot of pleasure from just running around in a circle. Just really fast, it can be one of them. It could be both of them. They find that endlessly exciting I've tried it. It's not so good for me. My daughter used to really of jumping in puddles. Not so much now my son really loves that. Just get so much out of it. At what point in your life does it change? What point do you suddenly go now? I'm not going to manage circles anymore. That's no good. There must be a day when you're doing it and then the next day. You don't WanNa do it anymore, and then it's forgotten. It's gone. It's quite. Quite tragic moment I hope my children will love running around in a very tight circle. For as long as possible, it's a beautiful thing. It's pretty the best thing in life. My daughter's also really got into playing pacman which I'm very excited about because that was a video game, I played as a kid, and now she's playing it. She calls it. Wacko Wacko which I think is a better name Pacman. And, so I'm very proud. I. Think it's for me. It's probably the same as if I said to my dad I really liked reading swallows, Amazons, which was a book, not a porn film. It was innocent time. Back but he loves swallows and Amazons I did not care for it But I would have made him proud of I had but she's made me proud plane, pacman. Also noticed like Geez. We don't want them playing on the IPAD too much. We'll let them watch TV. When I was a kid, they didn't like 'cause watching TV too much, and we'd have to go and read. The book is just not along one. It's like now watching. TV is sort of more classy than play. Of More Educational, Anyway enough of my childish nonsense, we have a fantastic. Guests for you. Today is probably best known for being thanked in the credits of Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim to you. That's why we're all hate data same. We please welcome the amazing returning James. Castellano gentlemen here he is. While he was under the table or Hello Hello. How're you doing? Good, thank you and I know you always do a little. JOKEY INTRO! Credit I genuinely proud of. Tim Vine Out Tim. Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim to I came up with the name. Of the show. That's what I did. We were in Melbourne at the Melbourne Comedy Festival. It with mayhem intimidate by breakfast in the morning and he said. To bond with sign I've really got to come up with his title today on manager is. Excited I needed the program. K.. Joke titles that point for a law. White do that and then he did. And then Adam Festival arrived there, and there's lots of posters of Tim by dresses a chimney sweep. To say his show and he comes out of a giant ship. It was really fleet. SHIP DEBATE BECAUSE I. Laugh told him to call it. Tim Tim, Tim Timmy Timpson. A thanks that's that's going to be a writing credit now, thanks! You've been done out of that that he pay you anything for the title. He gave me a signed poster. I tagged per I'll tell you. What about talk shows that it was in the dressing room framed was. Sides Tim. Tim Tim Tim Tim Tim to you poster thanks. Thanks for the title for just not bad. That's I mean now you can get a bit that on Ebay. Yeah especially in these times with with lockdown steadily with. Less and less options of how we can make money. Yeah, that host could help mail the Post that we've mentioned it before. The genius of the Tim Vine did was the one that when he took massive billboard. Damn at in cow gate, saying in Edinburgh Tim Vine is not paying. This has festival is the best thing that's ever happened to the Edinburgh fringe I think it is because like I wasn't. Before I ever went. and everybody knows that story told each other people who want the have told other people who were there. That Tim blinded It's it's amazing, but it was great because you'd pass that I'd pass it like probably every single day. It made me laugh every single day, and then Edinburgh and you. You'll get depressed at some point. Just having one definite, it was the way that it's hard to describe because a lot of it was his face, but it's an idea. But just to have a definite laugh. Every single day was was a good thing for the frame. The way I understand it is that. Didn't it like slowly? Reveal itself, so it was like at the top of a Hebel. Some of that actually came up the hill. You face now you see the words Tim, vine, yeah and that it will be. Because that could have had someone said it was fun movie Hilton, it might have worked in reverse mind. Of A hill I'M Actually time stuff gets out. It is like any had like flyovers year. Flyers out that he wasn't the festival and. Should do well. I'm already lost I've been I've lost five grand from this year canceled and we're festival. Foolishly pay for my accommodation advance and the The company that let me the don't have any money. Left. They spent my money so I might get that back, so it's still not the worst Edinburgh had even have lost five pounds without even our have some horrific. is in the top of the most successful in Brazil would say. He's about it. Let's face it. There's two things which would have loved to let people about. How much buddies lost to Ebola? How much money is given to charity you? That's very true. I made notes because we did we did. We would allred the go with this back in March and I made notes about for this interview March that now no longer makes sense to me so I wanna read those ads if it makes sense new, all I wrote was weetabix has no binding agent in? Does that make any sense well? Yeah, but why would why have I said that about you, so went to fix waste mix factory. Yeah, is it next to catcher in in a small town Burton Latimer? Kettering credited for we picks comes from catcher in. Button ministers actually invite on this side of. Extended universe. But. It's not captured so. But. Way still take a lot of pride in vicks weeks, and it is still the cereal off. Catcher is now a lot of people in work at the way to factory, and yes, you're right. There is no binding agent I went to the factory once for a tall. 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So we expect tree makes all the way Vicks even the water the pay. They make you all. is a different recipe. They do a different message. Pay For the I'm Brian Stuff and it's not healthy. So the only brand, stuff is worse fear. They make it deliberately not healthy for you. Just to to punish paying getting cheaper. while. We're talking about not I'm not I'm just enjoying what they'll putting I've got here. What put up as some does not do not recognize that James. Oh. No, you know this is. This is actually really delicious. Menu dessert that is Bellas Pudding. Menu, ABC's much today made it yesterday. Found Gail CNA got in touch with me so many I was on off menu with been heralded as the best and worst episode of men. You ever absolutely. Joke. I I. I chose Ben is putting. My grandma made which we'd lost the recipe poor. I couldn't really describe it. discovered. It's a hot desert. I didn't remember that I'm eating cold at the moment. And this is if you wanna see the whole thing it's going to be. It's going to be congealed, because yes, they that's what it looks like right so it's that it's as a Caramel base thing on the bottom meringue on the top likes playing slits. It's absolutely yesterday ate some, and I saw actually an edible. Today it's it's it. It's definitely I wasn't sure it was the same thing Gail ventner. For as I was hoping just to keep Breton that all the way through, and then you're not then. You shouldn't. You shouldn't have done it while we're talking about. That well. If. That's GONNA make. Note sent me this recipe. Her grandma made for butterscotch pudding. This is definite one hundred percent. This is great. And I thought it was going to be horrible to eight, but it's foolish. I made it myself I've never made anything like this I made it for you. James Caan maybe I'LL! Put Some in an envelope and send it to you. This, stage wouldn't not eat it. I can put it in a little Tupperware, and then I can send some. Is? AD, able, tweet things that are basically just made completely agree just has to. Each time is just allow for help to lately. Salute all that stuff because there's so much sugar in this yet but it. Is Astonishing. This is absolutely horrible meringue on the top, and I've I've put a video up in the Middle Section of my bat. Of An badges which shows me cooking. A lot of sugar you put sugar I'll tell you what you do. You want us make at home need four ounces of dark brown sugar to separate eggs, two tablespoons of plain flour, two cups of milk, two tablespoons of butter, and then caster sugar. You mix flour in the branch GonNa Saucepan. You add the folks Bayton and the milk gradually, and you stir you. Bring to the ball when it comes doesn't like thick. Then it goes thick. You're at the butter. Then you put in a buttered pie dish like that. That kind of dish. I guess it will work in another a pie dish. Then you beat their rights and make meringue. CASTER sugar put it in the oven for fifteen minutes hundred seventy degrees, Bang. Leave it to the next day because that is it I'm so that and that is the memory. My my daughter rates it and thought it was horrible. My son and really liked it. And now I have to say I was going to tell you it was disgusting is like something from the wall looking at yes yeah. Yeah yeah, it's very. Good War War Brown rarely today? Thank you for helping me discover that I had faked you so much for coming on the episode for. The reaction to that episode. I wouldn't know me tell. Guests this. But I'm already telling because I guess we've ever had. You're the one who will absolutely love this kind of reaction than most. Star. I think I might some joke about you know. Someone's to guess today's WanNa Competition. And then you deliberately throughout the episode choosing things that weren't real. Imaginary. At the. GOFFIN's his. Opens bubble, but offense just like I really felt for Etta James. Had this guy, I did what competition something and then he just didn't understand the full basket. He was like making food up guessing they were paying so patient. They really didn't seem to handle what he was doing. It was like he will be so delighted. I am delighted by that full. Info of it that book. I loved it. I had a great time. Well Ed was very crossing. That was really all I wanted to make happen. Not Enough people make him cross. People go from me. UPSET CHEESE, border. You remember that you've got a number of. You've got at least two courses before that when you can really upset so. Thank, you enjoyed it well. It was very good. You can still listen to that if you want off menu is you've been went went to America with many. Did you actually go to America? Would you didn't? We went. Two weeks of the year towards episodes with American comics and it's a trip that now seems both. Stupid, an unnecessary given the in lockdown now we're just zoom in each other and doing. So, we could have just older guests from home. To. But at the same time because of lockdown. Absolutely delighted that we did it. Guess got to go to America this year and it was also. We had so many great meals and stuff and the episodes. While I really loved the episodes but again, ed. Berry you really find out who of our listenership just. Across the Board Heights American. Put about no more. I Just don't again. Just get when. People have been twist for Jug just. Nice to yet. I'm on a absolute sugar high at the moment after I've had three tiny little bits of that and I'm absolutely off my nuts crash. Ten minutes I'M GONNA crash. You must be so this. It's going to be I'm going to be depressed, but the moment I feel like I've had all the drunks. A sterile sugar could do that to do you busted? Your eyes I'm so well. Look also. It's taken me back to yesterday. When I it just tasted really wrong, tasted lemony, and it was not caramel enough, and I thought I didn't boil it long enough or something, but it's taken me right back to my grandma at saw very. Very moving. As. Special being able to be transported risk freestyle. This is my biscuits. RAISCH TOM had I've never I haven't read any. Know it because they want to get, you can rename Proust's put it and your children. And then they will. Remember on the podcastone. WHO This proves fellow was we assume that knew? Of the family. I'm talking of America as well. Is it true I really really loved that pilot of we the jury, didn't you? But. I've I read that it was in negotiations. Go to America, at least. Is it happening in America or is it just one of those things? So? Yes, but it's weird ongoing thanks. I like Ike ahead. We might the pilot and. Ferry delighted to get to make a pilot by didn't go anywhere, and then for years they've been trying to make a version of it there, and now it's basically it's been green lit for pilot there, but then this happened not. According to happen, so yes, it's been on hold, but. The last I checked it was gonNA film. A pile of it was crazy about it is the vote. The park the pilot here. A knife that they've just kind of all they've done is gone. We'll keep a jury. And it. You didn't need to pay me for that. You know that she could have made a jury sitcoms and I don't think I would have had any into. Gone. Your producer. Okay, I own. Jerry's a pound. Of Jerry's on television, yeah, I had when I did talking cock, which was the standup show initially, and then kind of loads of European countries, said well, you know got wanted to put it on, and some of them did it fairly I always sold them in a foreign. Language which might speak. Some of them were seemed fairly like the same. As my show. We are sent in the slide jet. What use it? They want and some of them. Absolutely maybe use one joke from the entire show. And then. They had to sit in the front row and watch one of them, which was really in. With, the director came with me as well from the UK and we couldn't understand what was going on, but they and loads of just songs they changed the words to be about penises which was not in. The original, a more than was the version of send in the clowns, which is very serious, very serious. Everyone was very serious me and my threat to just got the absolute worst giggles ever this idea of someone doing this in the middle of this thing during song about setting the clouds, but you couldn't understand why what it was about and the. Women next week didn't like looking at me like this could just like absolutely and then were on the front row as well so the guy could say us. So is that pain you get from? School you know when you not meant to be laughing. And then it turned out. It was a song about date rape. which a was not in the spirit of what talking about what's about? Celebrating celebrating men, and and looking at the bedside manner rather than the west side. But also we were sitting there, laughing at it as the as the. Kind of went. Why why have you paid me? We paid for me to come and watch A. That isn't my fucking. Show is off. Yeah. But yeah, well, that's good well I hope well. It was a good. It's a shame they've changed it. Because it was, it was a good, you should have been in it. You should have been you in it. While told me I should've I. That was my choice was I. Yeah I! was like you should be the main counters. Contact I. I mean. I love the cost of. The. Would change interview about it, but Yeah, we've loved to have got the chance to more episodes of days for it. I don't have many. People's like I wanted to Sitcom Y-. You know. Because 'cause was like all I. Want to be a over the white for. Sure low to people without this of light effort around juice going this is going to be amazing at the last minute. The same people go what it. A ship for since instead. Expected this. Right I'M GONNA. Ask you some emergency questions. James Yes some new ones I don't think you've had before. Stop me if you have been on a two or three times. Over the last few months I've watched every episode of how I met your mother. What is the most degrading thing you've done to yourself for no apparent reason. It's a very bad show. Yeah Yeah I. I thought the Mayton once I. Kate was when they were. They were trying to get we. The jury made in Rice. They sent me around. To like meet loads of writers that I could choose a writing in I, wanted to be jove with it, and one of them was from how I met your mother and I had to the meeting and talk about a how impressed I was. Also. Yeah. I understand the payoff at the end is absolutely ridiculous. Well, they they mess out, really because the I was thinking about because the girl who is the mother is turning up quite stuff now. She's just done a film with December. She's really good. The goal is the mother, but but they obviously decided right in the beginning, the everyone would want the two guys to get together who fail to get together, but the problem and so the the woman spoiler. People haven't seen how I met your mother yet, but to be honest. It's spoil already by existing She the mother dies, and then the end of the series. Is The guy going round to took up with the girl that he sold. It should have always been with, but never got together with. That relationship didn't really ever GEL, so they don't see decided right in the beginning. That will be the thing, but actually thought I really liked this girl. The mother mother's really good, and then they. And you not go because it's SORTA disappointing if you if you actually were in love with someone in your twenties, and then you actually hook up with them in their fifties, or whatever show you've missed the the exciting part of life, the having kids. Love Carrots couldn't have kids, but whatever but you've had all that and also just the fantastic sex of having sex with someone in their twenty s. they had this. But Yeah so have you done anything humiliating? Humiliating things, humidity and things yeah, A. Book about I mostly unnecessary as well. yeah like. I often think that just a general light. For about a lot, the last couple of especially lost jails on tour the whole year and others for why have I done this to myself I? Put myself in this position. Where on stage all the time I feel incredibly uncomfortable. Like, people look it up. Like. Made on I. Feel Street pillow the shallow. Dividend Shit. I think the spirit kid audits relentlessly done that like plays in the living room for parents. Yeah, but I'M GONNA. Drive my whole day to this thing that never works out I. Never put the play on the they go. That was amazing though it's been like okay. Seem seems right here at dykes. Months were. Just me and my friends Danzig Karnei. Putting that on on us, pretending to be vetted next bond rednecks. Redneck? Yeah, but not just listening to doesn't show. We were. PRETENDED TO BE RETINA. Bag Not yet, okay? But the band rednecks were pretending to be rednecks. What what risk? They were lucky that something was that good. What a catchy song! The this forget that they've called themselves. rednecks and they are all white. So it's like it's a real surreal gamble. Gamble. Ban came out now and did that. Yeah. We would all be absolutely opposed. I wouldn't even listen to the song now. But I was sick. So like I was like this is my Jama Nineties. Add more questions about the song title. Nine. Gotten I. Remember picking the Pope, follow single picking the poke. Pop in an oak pop in an Oak Garcia pop up that the yeah that. I remember the first time of in. Finland my music tastes was being criticized played in the House and my dad went. Like an idea. that. I really like defensive about like. How. Pop Cotton I. Partner aside of different thing. Do you think it now with the benefit of all musical wisdom? Do you think it sounds like a different zone? Of the psalms actually. Been? Slightly different. Lyrics are different, but everything else pretty much the same. They good luck. Good luck to read next that maybe get them on the. All up especially, the guy who used to sell the flow and play the drum would just not going. Into Reverse whole body, but if keeping the constantly. And I used to love him. Which is absolutely brilliant. The only one I was watching I was watching the lady who is lifting skirt up and show in a blue miss. About him. Enough I won't talking of musical. You've written. I mean we I think we probably talked about other stories in the book in previous podcast because it is about your year in twenty-six Dane. It's called perfect sandbox never. You had a pretty disastrous year. The twenty seventeen have more music that had come out in two thousand sixteen, so it's quite confused. Yeah, but yeah, so it was may have in A. Bit Of A. Breakdown for shorthand, but it's quite hard to. I think we could break breakdown. People. It must be something out with your to me. That doesn't happen, too. Many people will ever actually. It's just like I think. It's just one of those moments where. You've ignored los stuff ages top of. One thing in this instance of up to make you suddenly realize how, but she been a amount of yourself up about or whatever? Handle anymore a satellite. I. Started, going to therapy and exercise more and good things like that, but I also obsessively started by music came out in twenty sixteen. Not GonNa live. Richard. It's not like I'm stopped. You got more albums days in in two thousand sixteen, so you've got. You've got pretty every album that was released in two, thousand, sixteen or just. No, no, it would take so long to. Music now gets released. So? Yeah, so saturated. It's absolutely crazy. Why was able to do it project because only one satellite? A had to. Car Go insane and just biography, and even like it, so I had to like it. That was the role, but still you know I don't know exactly how much is now, but it's definitely over six hundred and fifty. Probably approaching seven hundred. and. That I can still find ones that I love that. Excite me, Jimmy lockdown the amount that are discovered the gun. I love this album I can't believe for still another one from that year. I find a standard, but you couldn't do you. You'd have to be like. Two thousand, nine two thousand ten onwards. Yeah, you can do it okay at a year because I'm not as into your very music I'm I'm not really bothered about music. I have to say so. On you know I'll listen to. It was on. I'm listening to a lot of. Like children's film soundtracks like marijuana and Anne. Moana Film Soundtrack Year that came up. Is it two thousand six hundred? Is that one of your choices. Skirts management. It's some this needs. Limbaugh Miranda. Does the music forward yeah? Tamil did Hamilton. Good stuff is very good, so I'm kind of getting into that. Surely the other first singles I. Ever bought together. I got them from. It was the same tunnel. My doors just lost their. I think thinking about the same time I'd lost I. Remember Losing Teeth around the same time in my mind somehow I bought. Folks on the run by the sweet and Merry Christmas. That's been a good year music shortly that year where every year the seventy six seventy five or something. Yeah, Sweetland, the one. Bulls company. Just for inflation, but these things because like you. Know as many albums would have come out that yes, many be able to buy between six hundred fifteen seven hundred albums that you like from that year. Be Possible. Yeah, but. Some big hits I does not surprise me like Merry Christmas, of course well, you know, but might know because they were gonNA jumble. They might've been out the year before, but whatever it was, it was a big moment for me, and then I listened to records until that say I. Don't needs binding records now I've yet best to. Flip side of one be merry Christmas Madame Chalet. You, remember the Madame Chalet. Song you too young. Harrier. As sweet as Cafe Ole. Older. Back you'll. You'll like those paper so punk. That you would like stuff that will annoy people punctures. Go all in on the merry Christmas Madame July. Just, really. Annoy, everybody. PUNK so do that. It was good. Stuff was good stuff. Madame Chalet not I'm sure there was more there was lot they probably did. Six hundred a one below albums that year to be honest, so you might have to do Mike back. Clear cleaning up. I haven't listened to the audio. I got sent the the actual physical book of Your Book So flicking through the book, but I presume you did your own audiobook and re. With this with the first co dead, it was all stories about growing up in like misfortunes. I think it's better as an audio book. Right? Listen to with this one I think it's a book. Lows of albums data in the least I I. People tweet me just paying like. Office into the auto companies, so good physical list of the books Mike Freedom Yeah, if a specific list of all the albums is in the books. Like that's where sake the kind of book want to. Stopping, find the album listen to. You know I can see that. I have I have an image question about audio books, which is if you could have any order if audiobooks quite new things so there's a lot of authors in the past who never got to record their own audio books? which author would you like to hear? Read their own audiobook. He was no longer able to do so. Really while all on, not site the Bible because. Because I think that would be a no matter. What anyone says if you then offered them. The Bible is noted, but by the people who are actually yes, I would like to hear that well. That'd be God. Because you know. Arguably God wrote it. Arguably. So yeah you. I. Mean would be bad if he has to retake shouldn't have her if he's reading a God in the booth to. Said irritating to rejoin book. Heeds the old mistake seed, but that's what I worry about I'm writing a book and I think I'm going to read this and go. Why did I do that? Why didn't do this to God is going to go? Why did I contradict myself so much of the Ono? That sounds homophobic. We go again. Worded this wrong and it sounds bad. I don't want people to get the Lai. That's my main tip when when Mike Notebook. Every every time you do, a proof. Read out loud. Because every time we're not. I was doing it out loud on. Oh, I've eaten bad book. Go This anymore, so they should definitely do. They definitely do the audiobook before they print it. They should give you the proof copy, and then go come. Change it, but it would take you another month to go back and change everything I guess. I went to the printers for this. Latest Book. Club to have that experience I'd like to take you around the big guided tour of the PIN factory. It's so really amazing. Actually you feel really planning. Of A book this cold and they start you get to see every stage. The put it together and really. Is this like a proper like you know bats, the future Wallace and gromit machine. It's like yeah, the whole works. And then the first one comes off, and they hand it to you and the other guy as your book and I opened it. Always happens that other. That's the last bit that sent a correction on the night, not made it. How many of these do you put enough? They literally one. A. Hundred I well certified. The public went yet pulp. Odd Odd we're GonNa do simple are nearly was like. But full. Alan Partridge potions plays plot. I! I wish I had now. Did You keep the company? That was the wrong copy that skin that she got to think. That's going to be worth a lot of money. On copy and Edwin Hatch me afterwards suggested of cats, but what I didn't WanNa do because at the time. They were like they said. If this is our mistake at the put factory pope them again if it's not, we're putting them out anyway right now. I remember being like if I take. This book hung with me. Think Oh? He's fine with it so I could have made the point of leaving it there. They were like does not like the book. Because I want to take your heart and go with James to it, it's. Worth a lot one day. I. Regret it what. I'm occupied. Mess the cover up or something. Stupid would have kept asking. Just look at that guy. That's it but open to go look. It says from Uganda, but then knocks bound, and not from Uganda. He's put little erratum in books. That's when. There was a mistake. You just get a piece of paper in the book saying on page four five seven. This should say instead of this. Would have had to do otherwise. I'd veterans of that in my. Nice going to be awful if it's already a very nature book that I. was going to be like. Is this all about how these albums? Twenty sixteen obscure? I can't make a single mistake here. 'cause League of enough people who like a a guy. This isn't funny. Cab these. Apologize State of debt and it was. It was a badge godiva quickly, but also at the start went. Loans Michael, Palin he comes in every single one of his books. He comes to what should be printed and then at the end if I understand. Why because everybody's this would have just been released if air. Piling comes and goes okay. Once you've written the book. I'm writing short book and stuff so hard work. I'm just once. It's over I just wanted to. You know I never want to look at it again as I. Yeah I look as many times into until. It's done. And then it would be mad if I ever sat down to wait it. Over you know this book I. Read This book a Lot. We might look at that one later. Blaming let's talk about. I don't know if I've already talked to you about your quiz show appearances. You've been quite love quiz shows I'm very obsessed with issues. You've been on blockbuster. And things like that. Gay TV quiz. Show blockbusters house of Games I. Mean Taskmaster. They're still counts. Have you done you done? Point this right? Yeah, yeah! Well I saw a free out of those four I absolutely loved yeah. Yeah pointless main job. It went out in the second mound. Okay, but I loved it so much. It was such a great day because it was like for what is like a special annex Marlon Davis Abba dial. Tom Allen and ally. Taylor, and so as everyone alike audit. Joe I already know it should like him have met Armstrong before, but that's fun because you like you know who he is. You get to show off to a but. Also you go in there and the studios like daytime TV knowing that the audience alike seven. Just thought I. This is like sorry, low pressure, and also what when you behind those podiums. It's not the same as like infront. It looks amazing, and then you got behind. That's an IPAD that they. Ll attacks too. So. You don't feel that you appoint this. And you JOA. Fast, round. I now we. Were in the lead by the end of the first round now that may enjoy on our questions. That got the lowest scores that were available on the board. Vary plays with that? It was synonyms when it's like. About? The meanings the same words yeah, so like that that it for TV shows. Yeah and. What was just said Jackson five and got it was band of brothers, and I was so. Pleased myself out. He's like an at that point. I was like we are GonNa win this. We're going to be the best people that have been points account. Next round was. Recipes. Recipes by famous chefs to name any ingredient, which might be any of those recipes? You didn't even have to be specific about which recipe and it was. All Pastor recipes and Joel went for capers and I like almost applauded him. I was like that's what you legend. That's definitely going to be one of them, and it will be like a video. Answer wasn't even on the. One hundred and then it was really on. The pressure is on for make sure. And in a moment of madness, and maybe arguably genius I remembered that sometimes people put dark chocolate into your beloved God. Faith. And that point if we didn't get really, lawyers were going I had to take the risk, so I had to remind myself that. When I'm watching these shows at hug, all I want them to. Miss the. Play it safe. Although to be fair I was playing for a cherry. China. So like it was pretty bad, but I said chocolate wasn't on the board. I was paced anxiously and broke the. On the IPAD, it came off of the stand. As it, so it was a nice also at one point, everybody sat down. No I'm seeing that clip was a special moment enjoyed a lot. Yeah, so yeah, those shows are great. You can go back and I've been on it four times pointless. Well go back on it again. Go back episode ever. Yeah, they said, and what didn't you like? Them must be blockbuster. Clusters. You didn't like must've loved blockbuster. You love blockbusters. Like Toss Mazda loves task miles. Has the Games. They didn't like acid gain. About this, so it's fine so first of all anybody who works in House of Games his lovely, that's. Brilliant Richards? My. Books. So I was like you. So. Yeah so I won the first three of them. Yeah, and not by. Not By. The thing is it doesn't make house of. Stupid. Silly got. The kind of geared towards comedian. Because that they're silly daft puzzles. They're not even like proper difficult puzzles. Puzzles, with a sense of humility them, so if you comic you kind of going to be thinking in that way when you're writing jokes day, and so it doesn't mean that you're clever that ever on the panel. These all you've played into my hands and I can do this. But that. What else would they have been whether a game? Valley stays it like. I was an diamond. A guy from top gear could rory apologies for not. Here for debate ushered should remember. Nothing and Also Samantha Walmart Samantha Janus. And we were all over the board. Everyone's on. Five episodes of the day I go into the first word become a bit I'd. A few of them. symphatizers get questions a bit silly. Sicily shot. Second one. One again and they were bit. Looking at me. When again did you? Could good for. The third one. Would again. And then I never happened to me my life, but we came off and I was standing in the green room between shows and diamond. Just come straight up to me, I. She goes. You know this doesn't mean anything doesn't mean you're clever. was just a stupid game for stupid people with stupid brains. Behind it was like yeah. People are smart. It's just silly. Silly Puzzles doesn't mean anything else. Yeah, no, it's just laugh. Law is like is Sally. Not last what? I WANNA bread been. Is Silly. As. Do I really. We had to go back to the fourth one light. Fuck this. This. Like. Walking in and someone. Was No one else knew this was going on. So the team had a show trying to have fun with. That could have like because I think nobody. They have to work hard to get to pretend they about it. Normally, they have to be like okay. Remember everyone we're trying to be James. He's one three in a row, so let's really be made aware but. You start. They are actually. I don't need I don't need any bought this. And then. Then I. Got A. Lot of people are still in the time. When it went out a lot, people tweet me about. Like why episode four to stop trying to play the game? Why did you stop answering questions? You just sit there I. Did episodes five again? This I beg you. You did participate. As. We did episode for I did. Salkin. Pull for you should just get on with it and play anyway, but like I was just like copy Bob. Evans Benedek. Did it did apply anymore. And Diamond? One Episode finished the be walking out as Such a great show. So much fun. It's just started lighthearted and fun. I can't wait for the next episode. But then I at the end still. This may with the trophy kind of like like that at the just really not happy. under-strength during this. But then I was meant to me up with finishes early intervention to go down to the southbound, because of the other belly festival was on a mainstream at gambling. Hang out with them. But we finished a bit earlier. At a niche would be free for number two hours so I stayed hung out with the crew. And just got smashed because. Drinking. A normal grain because it's daytime touching any of the booze. Off The shelf. Drink all this so slack off. With dicks tomato this and that was like well. You hit it well. No, I did. A went to me at a niche the walk. It wasn't that far. Walk So. Just, walk it. JUST OUT MY HEAD! I've got the House of Games truck. Just walking down the street of walking out. I'm smacking it against lampposts. I'm running against fence, metal fence rows and. Not Not shown anti respect after. And they're not going to one of those big bridges at allude and Jones is. Son Is walking towards me I? Know him quite well. You support melted on Tour I. Say like once a week. AGO and. Also. Military's the son. So on that, which is family, I just lovely people. Who every time do you have in your life? Who every time he made them? You come across as an absolute lunatic and you're like you want to go. That's not who I am. But they never, but they would never believe you because every time they've seen you. You've been acted wit. Yeah, like anytime. He met me before was like when I went to Milton's house. pre-tour. Show a newcomer, so I was nervous as hell either gig that night in thousand say so was always acting like A. Hit Hits me off to some that come to see shows in. Say me off was always say something with one of his friends wants up to a GIG choice to play with jokes me. Going are melting. Right not so much. Hockey. I like all. Like other days like why did I say that? Why did I just say fuck you you just to be funny? I've always. Bat Probably about half. Of had. Data Show you what I'm diamond why? I don't. Like these try to. Look for the biggest taught to. Other people come up to me. Walkin past and they saw the trophy. And I didn't know who it wasn't anything but I. Did you not playing Bingo or something. Yeah did watch this shit that throw in the air and it smashed on the floor to about like eight different. Bumps. Sons look it up relied. This guy has got some serious issues every time I say him. He just seems to unhinge until. The whole part the trophy is intact on its own, so I'll have to put the ears in separately in the base, and all the different bit into the ball. Or the broken bits into that and walk in at a niche. As a banana delighted the of smash. The trophy already is is decimated. That on the White House gave it to a busker. Put it in his boss. Get cabinet walk at a left. Detroit. So. Yeah, it'd be over into what? Up Trophies Place I'll find. been scraps. The champion of do we invite about for Champion of champions? To get back out again. Vocally US enjoy after. I got drunk at the same thing. Rachel Riley on the first one, and then got the gist of it and kind of one thing most maybe one all the rest of the and Jesse Moods. Change noticeably through. They all left at Istat sat drink with Osborne and his then girlfriend and the crew, but yeah I'm not quite drunk as well. It was quite good then the second series in last the Glasgow flew that I would I would love to again with because like I enjoyed the game's going for. People who like? Great to have both funds shows I've ever done. That's fantastic. Enjoy that very much. Let me ask. You this emergency question. Which is correct me if I'm wrong? If all the museums are not in the world got together and said we're GonNa James CASTA. One thing you can take one item painting sculpture artifact and it's his. Which one thing would you like to own from? In the world that is, that is a very good question ranking. Why thinks I'm just GONNA as putting? Why do you think about it shorts? Your just coming down off the first hit. Yeah. Absolutely one hundred percent. This is my genuine answer, okay? Sounds. Stupid answer in a way but I. There's nothing else one, so there's a spoke about this before different things, but there's a the Manor House museum in Catcher in very tiny little museum, yeah! I do just upset about local stuff. Since I was a little kid. A. Big bad school visits various things once billy, Boyd from the vote of the victims films to sign autographs. and. The films were coming out at the time, but yeah, it's very hard to get whatever hobbits come to the Manor House Museum. Off to James Hobbits. Rock Billy Boyd loved it. WHO'S ROB? I there's A. One of the exodus, the is a mummified cats which was around the wall and kettering. Is Gross! It looks horrible like it's just completely. Google it and say. This horrible husk of a cat. and. Everybody goes to the museum. freaks out when they say it. A coveted big part of my life. And my up again. TAP that was freaking out over. I think I would love to have that in my if I have anything disliked by flop. Yeah, I think that got more connection with that. How? The Mona Lisa. You could probably afford to buy the mummified cap with. A few. BILLION BANDS LEFTOVERS IDA point go. Catching Museum and got, you can see how much the cat. Instead of. Getting they would sell it, I mean that's the thing that some things are priceless in a different way it's. Hardly, museum, I think that would sell it because. There was a one of the things that was quite a big deal. Was this photo of a Celtic man holding a sword like that and the tattoos and it was like that was also like really Edwin Kevin that guy. They sold that to a cafe. In Milton Keynes or somewhere just inexplicably the. Norm museums should sell stuff. That's why I think if they went to the end, I think if museums supermarket sweep every now and again just said. Yeah, you're one person's going to win today new tight one thing I would think now get more people into museums. Let's say they should just go much much. Really give us with this. Does they've weight most? Them are way too much stuff. Oh, have I mean obviously you know? In reality if I had to do it for Real, you'd get for the British Museum and give it back to the country. They stole it from. That's what you'd actually do. 'cause I was able got way too much stuff. None of this would be good to this late. Give it back and they go there you go. I. Mean I think it'd be more insulting if the British Museum gave the Elgon mob marbles to you. said that you can have. We're not going to give him by. Another guy. We're not giving them back, but we'll give them to you. James CAST, jags. Going to play to the routine on them once. On, but. Astounded at like 'cause you know when you talk like. Something's done that we. Disagree on this. Absolutely astonishing, but some people go none. We should keep a really. Where the hell if you that for. CAPE. And we've had a longer. Okay, a star should. Well. We. And I'll ask you this question of been asking recently a lot. Who is the most famous person you've ever been in a lift with that? You didn't get into the lift with the. You can't go with them as your friend yet to get in. Or they go in after you could have gone on the same floor, but you went. When on you understand the question at this actually. Send the question. I fully understand. Christopher biggins. It's. Yes! It's GONNA biggins It was a hotel again again on the hill joins tool. So you know celebs nowadays don't give a shit but dead. I remember the doors in big in stunned. In the early morning hit hit. Hit got just we both got up just in time for breakfast. We both under thing where you leave. It's like as you can, and then go down to the breakfast doors open and he was staring. He clearly for any also did that thing. For where you've passed floor on the way down, someone else suppressed it, but you haven't. You think it's the ground floor the APP so so you step off confidently. Look at ground floor. then. You realize Oh, no, this is! Bedrooms are now need to get back on. A gets cut. See Big into a little panic walk-off days. We will little tough the hat to. Realize, this is not the breakfast birth and get back on the left with me. I'll say I'll say hello to him and. He said back in a very good way. Let me know I'm not in the mood. So. Yet. Yeah I would've thought crystal begins would front and pretend that was strong. Just wait for the next left. That's the kind of guy I would think that's. That's good detail to know that he would admit his era in front view and I think if it was another time of day, and he wasn't going down to get breakfast last minute. Yeah, but I think that the second time was of the essence, and if he had just got lifting started out, he could have been looking at being refused service, because sometimes those listed in the morning when the busy it can often take four or five minutes. Quick, go downstairs. I always actually. I rarely take the lifts now on tour because by getting so little exercise on that I just any chance I get I'm exercise so always. The lift jolt on. It told me that Bruce Lee never took to the always took the stairs so every time I've taken this that as always Like like I'm Lena. Look at. It didn't work out for him in the end, but it worked out from in the short term wasn't. Wasn't because. then. What Joe Lee looks. US. Well. We're GONNA. Go to the Muslim festival. This was not on the cards, so is that I wasn't I went larger and. This year was going to be a complete break. Variety stunned up at. Deliberately taking the. so. Could you choice? Good Choice. I mean I feel awful about like my. My lockdown has been. Easy Yeah. I saw. Ninety up intimate. It is feeling luck. Absolute Pacers Shit I finished guilty because of that. Well look! We've nearly used up all the time we've got with you, is there? Is there anything coming up, but you know I mean because. Is stalled somewhat as a result of the world stopping. Is there anything coming up that we should be doing the cost about what is? The first time ever to be a podcast. So like yeah I, perfect sounds, it's called James Acosta's perfect sounds on ABC sounds and various platforms. Apple spoils winds up. And twenty minute episodes right? A lot of them and every week upset a different masterpiece from two thousand sixteen to a guest, and they come on. Tell me what I four token album club. Boy I think it's incredible about the end of the episode. Say if they will admit that what he's saying is the greatest schiff abuse couple time. I've absolutely loved it like. Every week is the highlight of my West Week lakes this like get into episodes. The China comedians about albums. Deliberately. Like. Yeah, look. I didn't buy any albums like I'm not doing episodes on any albums I don't love. I love all of at. It's been a real lesson in beloved wife. Is that kid who flipped out when you told popping? I'm very good. Hadley now if people don't like this, side us because they. That's. Able subjective. But. Yeah, it's been so great. Especially the obscure albums to draw some attention to those shown on the job and off Menus, continuing onwards I. Presume Yeah, we just finished the third series and we're going to full. Loads in the Kano, already from America and we're GONNA stop cord some more so yet again. Well, good luck finding a BA- guesstimate. Would do well to find one who you are definitely some people's favorite guests. We've ever hats and other people think it doesn't really count as an episode. Well I'm counting. This is an episode. Thanks very much James Get to thank you. Oh, to priority. Oh, two for looking after this. On Oh two. And I hope you enjoyed this. Oh, to customers, and then the rest of the world eventually, but still get the same amount for this by the way you. Buy of US were still getting exactly the same as usual. As. We were GONNA get yeah, yeah, so. To the house only to be invoice for it, I think he's been paid already. They said they paid you, haven't they haven't because there was a Typo on the invoice and okay now you're getting the same money as far as I know. Because because I'll tell you well. I'll tell you what. We're. GonNa do it. Then the whole Comedians Fund thing happened. Comedian and then. Oh. What's your pop up in my inbox I'll let mel for veteran. Telling, everybody! Hey, everyone. I think it would be really good of US comics who are lucky enough to still to have an income into? Mola! Fortunate work over the years. Of us to give our money. I personally Richard Heaven. Ten or twenty percent of. Things coming up soon which? Assuming was this. Yeah, I'm always very upset with in this can. Quite. Well paid is coming up. I'm going to give twenty percent of my from these to the Kamajors, but I would recommend F. Does the same thing. As Fuck Sykes having separatists and he knows he definitely how much to get something so now. I've gotTa do this now. Go in. Along. A, definitely night to. This chore a cocaine, Amount. I was like. People have done I to. Heaven donated ten. fucking, go anonymous. He always making about southbound nothing's hijacked international women's Day and now he's doing this. As I got so on I didn't donate as much as Jabe. But assumes, and getting paid the same amount of those another cakes. You, it will work. A begrudgingly. Wanted to. Then when? When it looked like. This wasn't GonNa Happen I was like that's what. I was going to get the to Gig another half. Over that's not why they're gonNA pay us like my mouth. Is. The same, so it's all right I'm the same way I only did it a non anonymously. Because I knew that that would make everyone else have to do it. That's why work. They've been anonymous. No one would have done it. Change you all into giving money, it raised one hundred grand charity, so that was very good and help just sounds a lot of comedians through three or four hundred grand, a big percentage of that was you. Might someone in being so disgusted by them at the same time so much. Well, thank you very much for doing that. I'm glad we're getting paid. That's taking a lot of of four races well. And I'll see you again very soon. Thanks very much maybe Jay. Very much did by. You have been listening to the cloud with leverage tearing on my guest James Acosta. Thank you very much to an oxygen and everyone owed to providing funding to do this show. thank you very much. Also Chris Evans not that one Work behind the scenes as always. Thank you want mean death to my producer, Ben Walk. Work on the original version that we are going to do the to imagine if we've been at the O. to how excited that would have been good though. I am indebted to Caffeine Cathleen mcguigan who runs a fantastic per? COAT OFF UK which one bedroom set tool. For me able so indebted to executive producer, every t james. We could in Jane rich in backstage me and James Chester that nickname. We came up from helpful notes. On the show, this is a go faster stripe dot COM skype potato. Dot Co dot, UK and fuzz production. WHY NOT HEAD TO GO FOSTER DOT COM slash budgets and become a monthly jet. There's lots of extras as well as those lovely things you get like membership card. In one of the bonus videos in this week's of there now is this. Is Neil Making? Velez Pudding. Show me how to make prelate pudding from start to finish. CAN ALLOW COOKING VIDEO I would hope you're gonNA. Make Yourself, but you need to be among the to see that my fine friend, so why not become one? 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When's International Men's Day? special with Richard Herring, Nikesh Shukla and Will Hislop
"So is an extra special event this week for international men's day i interviewed the academic and writer toby douglas to chat about his much publicized. New book on feminism and to ask him in the light of international. Men's day how he thinks men should engage in the feminist movement. It was during this interview that i realized why is known in many circles as the feminist. Fuck boy so it's international men's day and i'm delighted to join i'm just gonna kick off and say i'm delighted to be on the part because i'm a huge fan debrum. Deborah was that my my name's deborah shore. I swear your email said debrum. I'm i'm fairly sure my name's deborah. I think that's they might officer anyway. I'm delighted to be on your part. The guilt free feminist. It's actually guilty feminist. Oh no no no. You shouldn't feel guilty about being feminist. Feminism nourishes the and between you and me. The work isn't done yet. And i hope sorry my tiny and just go to my bamboo headphones deborah. Ya my name's deborah deborah with an h. Wow you fiery. I love how powerful you are debate. You'll making me nervous. Deborah and the feelings mutual. Toby thank you so i wanted to ask. What inspired you to write your book. That's a wickedly perceptive question. I didn't wanna mousters agenda. And when i graduated cum laude i realized that this was the perfect time for me to write the complete history of world. Feminism three weeks later. I'd written the total story from giles for you to john. Stoltenberg via william maloney. Oh well. I'm glad you've completed feminism tiny. Thank you once again kindly to the book is a complete history of feminism bought. It is in many ways a personal memoir about how i learned to overcome cultural misogyny to embrace women of all sizes from an eight to hecker twelve right and somehow managed to release a guide for men in the workplace to avoid taking up space in online meetings. Which you use me. Excuse me to everton sorry. Would you would just just ever so slightly cutting in. There must be a problem with the line. But yeah something to distract me. It's actually international. Wednesday that at the beginning of the interview. Excuse me excuse me. Excuse me debra. I think your wife i was down again. My wife is not down. I was explaining to you. That your throbbing misogynous. How can i be a misogynist. When i listened to boehner there. I know women can be more emotional breathe. But we're not fucking border collies renew. Musk come down. Oh we'll sadly tallies wi fi gone forever and that gives me enough time to tell you about cheese. Love an incredible organization back. Sorry i think you muted me by accident by the way loved doing the dinna sometime. Deborah seem to have gone. I'm a feminist. But i have long suspected that every international women's day when richard herring rights to every single individual who asked sarcastically wounded. Schulman's that in fact he has for many years now been hiding a sweatshop of underpaid women to take him and they basement. There's no way he could possibly have done all of those on my own. I truly believe he has just basically been eating chocolates while shouting down into the basement cave going november nineteenth. I can say what you've missed one. You missed a spot employed anyone. Richard herring to have an. The people are saying. Get lots to do it. But i bought can't distinguish irony can't distinguish the people who are joining in with knocking. The be doing it not going to be on the people are doing. This are castelli so you need to do and it needs to be at it. Needs to be a tailored response you know and it takes a man to be this funny. That's the thing you know could be a spot no well. Maybe a male female wouldn't have shops in hell members. Richard i have. I'm a feminist. I recently been watching. The whole of style was with my children for the first time am i didn't object to the fact that the has enslaved princess layer and forced her to wear a metal bikini as much as i should have. I mean i think what he did was definitely wrong wrong. But i didn't look away. That's famously a thing tremendous. That was in friends. That men really have a thing for the gulf mckanie. I think it's probably just because it's all adolescent so we saw that at a very very susceptible she's a beautiful woman and also carrie fisher remarkable and fantastic woman. She was princess layers. Prince layer is so much more than that. So i think in a woman's place in revelation she escapes as well. So it's good grace peachy. Can i just intercept here if you've grace patriots with us and i also to be on this episode. Especially because she's my go-to expert or men. If i if. I have a mix austin read rink rates hatri say is princess love in the gulf mccain. A such a keen iconic symbol of hotness in the lesbian community. Do you know not that. I'm aware of but I must confess that. I'm not much of a stall will spend. I think like where the scifi queer overlapping is. Buffy the vampire slayer. I think many people i. If like this lockdown particular. Every been i've ever met is doing a battery watcher. The moment as a month so in my area of expertise consulted great. Thank you very much. We will be coming to you throughout the show for resident mannix. But yes feminist. But i don't love any woman in the world. At the moment. As much as i love steve kornacki from msnbc. Who has now because this is coming out on international men's day but we are recording it on november the sixth and he is now being awake for some days. Tallying the results of the election. If you're listening to this in the future which you definitely r biden is not yet president-elect where we are so we're looking for to joining you in the future where biden is president president-elect but at the moment not an steve kentucky still hasn't slept so i'm all about msnbc and i am more about steve kornacki. At the moment. I am about any woman. That's true okay. I am feminist. But i insist on being sole charge of the dishwasher and bins as clearly subconsciously. I regard those as male domestic chores. Do other things as well. But i won't let anyone else touch my bins or my dishwasher. Female brain cannot divide rubbish up in tonight. Have you come round here. I'd love you to come round to justice if you if you want. Extra pins and dishwasher. Gt just to feel a little bit more of that. Testosterone reverend three body. You could come around here once a week. Dima been stigma dishwasher tom scott. How many really gotta do dishwasher. I mean it's a. It's a twenty four hour job but how many different bins of you got commit to this okay. There's the recycling. Yeah there's the non recycling and there's the food scraps that's not bad we've got straight. What should we have. Well i've got. I've probably got five. There's a recycling there's a garden waste which we thought its says a food. We don't have much of a garden still worth it and there's pay sort of paper as well so there's an extra one and just didn't have been but like i like. Oh the select. Empty will the beans in the house. I like i like taking the bins out remembering which one it's meant to be this week. I like the pressure of worrying. You're going to be two full you're going to do. I like distributing rubbish around the village in the great escape too much rubbish and putting a bins. None other people's bins but wastepaper bin. Sometimes that we haven't done that for a long time. That was an inside to say. It's that's that's that's i'm showing entity actually met in your house you are if they don't give you enough big enough pins what are you meant to do. I don't know i dare. You really are more of a man that i fully appreciate. Thank you that's as far as as far as it goes. It's just can't do anything technical. But i can do. I'm good at the dishwashers were. No one is as good as me. And my mother-in-law sometimes puts things in killed me by putting sharp knife in the wrong way up. I cut my wrist on. Are we into my mother-in-law jackson. Ready not my. It's not a joke steadily. We so rarely allow mid on this podcast and i remember. I wouldn't say she's fat because she's very very slim. We have fat-phobic here on this podcast. Where over i'm not having you counsel me cancelled yourself in an giang what was in a. I'm a feminist but when grace patriot admitted that when she went on rich herrings square theaters. Podcast she offered a smog. I immediately asked if i could go back home. Because i got off at no time at all none no signal a tongue inside and i feel disappointed by that now because obviously was doing it right and i looked that night as well i remember i was in a gold sparkley top and i've seen the pictures from that and i was looking. It was one of the hottest nights in my life. I think is nights. Go like a slightly overdressed. Princess layer to me that. Go ahead and go off the zero tongue. I've done three hundred and fifty episodes of it or something. And i've had nothing nothing of it not a small scrap and i just think you're not open to richard. We've had this conversation before in private that you you've you've coast down your you. Put up a platonic wall when i met you in edinburgh years ago. You had that way you. You have radiated flirtation and openness and you put the wall up now yet now you like the business that's offering. I'm telling you that's nice if that was the reason to three hundred fifty three until now fallen apart. Now if that's true no lots of people. There's listened loads loads. Fister fun fans who have grown up with you who would honestly give money to charity. If you're not doing the thing for refuge this you could raise money for refuge by auctioning yourself off for dates. Women who loved vista fan. I'm gonna go with that idea. That's a very good idea and my wife can't even complain about that because it's such a good 'cause i'd i'd think that's how it works from a variety of bedrooms and kitchens by zoom. The spontaneity shop presents the guilty of revenue with my guest host richard herring very special guests. The cash shukla talking about international. Men's day tapes. Whoa that willing to cashew kasana sarcastic. We do that kind of looming because we usually have a live audience. I think regular podcast. Who do it in a studio. Don't do this but we do because we are feeling what the audience where normally here by applauding ourselves. Yes not worried that my kid was just gonna go while you doing questions. And she was gonna interrupt. The we have her asking questions she already knows too much. This is guilty. Feminists the podcast which weeks noble goals as twentieth century feminists these insecurities which on the the differences white with rich herring away talking about one's international wednesday. It's november nineteenth. Ah richard now. I'm going to. I'm going to quickly introduce who we have an posse in case they want to heckle chip in laugh. So you know who's voices. They undercut shook. he's i guess. He's coming on on a bit helena cash deborah and grace petri Now we've all strikes patriot often plays out at the end but we get it to join in. When she was with folk ben they were like the hecklers and the muppets a now. She's like one of the heck was in the map and the other ones died. It's sad thank you ben. Just become this this folklore character. Very ben with my my housemate. The first lock down first time around. And now i'm now i'm not a line. Actually my girlfriend's here but she's just. She's neglected to come. This episode is in honor of richard herring and inspired by richard herring. Because richard hiring. You famously really suppose took the torch because every international women's day the most commonly asked question on twitter is when's international men's day this is their day. It's most often asked as well. Yeah now any other day what what what. What tone is it asked in. Well as us in the tone of that would never larry sarcastic joke because there would never be an international. Men's day in this political correctness. Gone mad and i suppose there's international men's day everything would go insane but as i pointed out on the first one nine ten years ago There is an international men's day it's november nineteenth. So i sort of took it upon myself i don of obsessions and challenges and i just thought it will be one year and it was kind of fun. I thought i'll try and get every single person who asked that question and then just let them know the answer because they're sort of asking something so let's combine the google. They obviously think there is an international. Men's day. So i let them all know but i thought then we can end this but did it for nine consecutive years and if anything it's probably got worse winning you felt like you were winning point and then i think actually we were talking about this in the book that i've written about. I think when when i started it was sort of quite funny and it was almost a more niche thing and then the stupid people have taken over the world. Basically so certainly in america is when america wakes up it becomes a lot lot worse. Not talk about it in the book being. It's a lighthearted thing is it's a mildly serious topic of course isn't that people devaluing international women's day and not realize there isn't gentlemen's day but i think it's the soft drug that led led to escape to the point where people are asking. Why don't all lives matter and wins whitestream. And so i think it was. There was something there. it has grown into something else. That is less charming and unless it was about laughing people being streep just basically being stupid enough to think they will making a brilliant point without just checking i you know and so it was and the joke was as much on me because i was forcing myself to respond to the mall in this kind of king canute impossible challenge and then it's i feel like in the last few years i've been doing it. There's a bit more dark. And the periphery of both sides. Actually it was talk about this in the book as well. It was annoyed. Both extreme feminists and extreme minists. Who both. I was devaluing their own days absence. I have some sympathy with them. But i think most people kind of got what the joke was and an understood that the joke was on me a lot of the time but also that it was it was good to kind of try and corral off the section of the social media so everyone else could get on with celebrating international women's diaper. Yeah i've always felt that the good point that you were making was you don't think to ask when your day is do anything for it and you don't know what it is and that's really all the other days yours. You have so much representation both in rooms of influence and power and on free screen you look at and and the history of the world so the reason you're asking the question on the one day that women get and to be fair is really a week now. I know that. Because i'm asked to seventy activities for it and listen. I don't know how you cope with having all the other days. Richard herring exhausting. I mean presumably every morning as a man you have to get up and go to a brunch way. You explain what it's like to be a man and you have to talk to us. You can better support them. It's very rigorous national women's day week. So you know. I didn't really think i'd want to be a full-time man. If i'm honest with you it seems like a lot of responsibility. It's a good point. But i think really having written the book. I was always quite dismissive. The need for an international men's day as we started and i thought it was like having an international slave owners day. There's a reason. We don't have that. But i think catchily and there's something. I did my book talking cock as well as the realization. That men don't really talk about the importance when you actually look at what. International men's day is and what it's meant to be celebrating. It's not that bad. And i think men could do with it. So i'm going to dedicate my focus from now on in to trying to get managed to nationalize i but yeah absolutely when you tell them about one year. I did a schedule tweet. To all the who dos. Stay on much. The would come on november. The nineteenth saying here's today what you doing. That's funny and nobody was doing anything so even though when they want to know no one asking. That question seriously wanted to do anything about it. They didn't want to have an afternoon meeting at their work. Talking about what is to be a man. Yeah but i think actually. If i'm honest richard i think men should maybe talk about the redefinition back into what it is to be. A man is changing. And i think that's tough. I am sympathetic with it. Because you've been raised to think you've got to be brave and not cry and take responsibility and for the stars and all of those things and then saturday halfway through your life. People say all of that's rogue and you're not making enough room for other people and you're not and and actually you've got show your emotions but don't be trained to do that. I think that is quite a challenge. I think we do need to men. Don't my job to do it. I'm busy but i think think many to make space with and four other men to have these conversations about the changing nature of masculinity and the changing expectations projections on men. And i think that conversation needs to be held in had. Yeah well let's put went. And i didn't know what was going to go short book and we'll have some fun with it and we'll explain what happened but then i'm asking nineteen questions that men need to think about and it comes. It comes down to that. I think men are the only group i can think of. Sort of embraced their stereotype. Their negative stereotype and sort of support. It matters support in the patriarchy. Which for most men is a negative thing. Most men suffer because of the the people succeed because the patriarchy off the war and everything and the men world vociferously defended. So i think it's just about having that conversation nudging men towards the idea that equality means equality for everyone so if they on international women's day they're complaining that men have more mental illness arguably or involved in wars have a worse time in prison have worse education in some regards but if we have equality all that gets sorted as well so many very fearful of feminism in the book. Talk about whether it's just because it has fam- the star that they're worried if they supported that makes them seem less masculine thing so it doesn't have white at the beginning and and terrified of that so i don't think it is. I don't think we rebranded as humanism. Equality equality and establishment is. What scraper calmly equalizers. They might go for it. Because that's that's based on one of my wife's comedy routines renaming hoovering as mega it warfare. And then men would be interesting this but yeah but i think there's a discussion so although i really wanna stop men just asking that question and just on that one day they can ask it whenever else they want you know and go for it. The thing is also international days. Not that big a deal when you look into every day cake day inside jail. They'll begin national drinking strategic be international evidence. Everything there's a day for men get very babyish upset about not having google doodles and the un recognizing into wednesday so babyish pathetic that i think we need to address the rest of the men who aren't like that. These men make the rest of the men look bad. I think it's our duty to try and sort this mess out. I think really and to help each other so as we discussed and when you're you came to talk in my audiobook of the problem with mental there's a lovely hour long chat with you minutes gang but we were out and it's no longer the better because more content but it's not up to women to salt men out but i think men are. It's a very simple message at the end of my book about. There's very few things we need to do. One of them is just a few here. Man say that on international women's day. Just say look. Stop doing this today. It makes us feel bad or isn't as national wednesday. We actually get a month. We get membre women find out about that. They're going to be fearing when they find a week if they get a week now. So it's about. I think if we did get a month though it would be about waxing also growing house always having a ripped off the shaft with hot wax multiple. You know what a month of that but yeah so. I think there's lots of positives that come out. This and i wouldn't say it's been enjoyable. It's been a sort of mini. Hal of gray for myself once a year but saying than writing during the pandemic and realizing all the things about the pandemic in about this year that you know and and trump and johnson all these things that toxic masculinity and the effect is having on everyone is good to sort of pinpoint and workout just smiled escape. I think all of this is going to moving. Things gradually bit by bit and hoping we move in the right direction. And and that's what my book which is just mainly for a bit of fun as turn to having a serious theme running through it. But it's but i think we can probably make make a difference all i want to do with the book is stop people asking that question international women's day it's still cheaper goals and even achieved as it turns out. But you've done your best. Have you accidentally been wise. richard herring. Is that what you're saying you try to be funny. And you accidentally winds things but it took me a long time because they know it took me a long time to realize to think about it any more deeply than this is just funny the piss. It's making a bad joke. It took me ages to realize. I could get people to sponsor moving. But i think by it for ages. That's why we did so well. The sponsorships about six years must asking people for donations to refuge. And that's all it did very well. Which again made it very hard to stop doing. It was only in writing the book that i managed to pinpoint old the real things. I've been thinking about you. Know i never thought of that. I'd never thought of that. That the what. I remember is popular. Because it's a celebration of men against go up international men's they doesn't get any publicity. Movember gets loads of publicity because men want to be involved with. It's not a negative thing is not is not an respect. Women are welcome to join with and whichever they way they choose to. And it's not an exclusive thing and it's about coping with those things that you say you're worried about but all of these guys now. What about mental. I don't see them doing anything on instruments or any of the days for those issues. There are through the year as well. So it's it's a weird thing and i do understand. There's a knee jerk. Reaction is men faring. The that being challenged in some way but if men really that as confident as they claim to be about their lives then they shouldn't be worried about compete on an equal level. If they you can only be upset about equality if you think it's actually going to impeach him if you believe in yourself then the idea for me. The idea of a level playing field in comedy is much more appealing as much. Nice to have people around you rubbed some white many went to university like i did and you find out if you genuinely are and good at it if the playing field is leveled as much as it can be so you know. I don't think men need to fair. I think actually equality would help most men more than they realize. It's easy to blame certain groups for the way your life has turned out and men often find it very easy to play women. Women often funding easy to men as well and often with more ground but your grounds but but but actually when you really think about it that that is not immigrants this ruining this country is not women who are ruining men's lives. It's the people in charge of us who are generally parchman who are ruining the lives of those guys and if they could make that when they saw these guys at chicago square protesting against were they weren't even really sure what they're protesting against. Where the protecting jill by doing nazi salutes or. They wanted to fight someone but they. They wasn't anyone to fight so they started fighting policemen. I kind of almost felt sympathy for them because they were so lost about what their role was meant to be what they were doing that. This ridiculous drunk rabble of confuse men. And i think that's where a lot of men are and we need to try and help those men not be as confused in as they are and the world would be for all of us if we can just make them say that equality is not this terrifying idea. Well i look forward to your night classes. That men everywhere will be attending by zoom. Please welcome to the microphone. Richard k again. I was heckled by a dog. The last two mos online tuna a dog today. I'm looking at Eights your stuff on allied could chat to nine is nineteen questions. This is the ninth question. Could i win a point. If i played serena williams at tennis unless you're professional tennis player or an exceptionally good amateur of county level or above the answer to this one is almost certainly no fucking way. You deluded ship pipe. How dare you even entertain the idea. But according to a yougov poll twelve percent of british man. who asked. Do you think if you plan your very best tennis you could win. A point of serena williams answered in the affirmative one in eight men think they could nick point off the player who has won more grand slams in the open era than any other player including one where she was eight weeks pregnant only if they were playing their very best tennis. No then not. You almost have to admire the confidence. If it wasn't so obsolete thoughtlessly ridiculous. A further fourteen percent said they didn't know if they could do which implies they think. It's a possibility i don't know. Because they were unaware of who serena williams as or because they'd never played tennis weren't sure how good they be it or maybe they just lost their fucking minds like the twelve percent thought they definitely could. That's one in four men who think they could definitely or at least might possibly be able to win. A point against serena williams not one in four men in their twenties who regularly exercise one in four men including people like me. Christopher biggins played missed a muscle in those adverts and principally i wonder i wonder which one of us would win the point. Four man math says one of us probably can have one in four men every who picked up a tennis racket in the last ten years. Have one in four men ever played tennis at any level including swing ball. I suspect most thinking. Hey in the tennis much. Any players bound to serve a double fault or hit a ball. Too long occasionally. That's where i pick up a point. I'm not crazy sure. That happens quite often in two to three hour. Matches serena play against professional tennis players. But if she's playing me or the blake who played mr muscle. I reckon sugar probably take us down from its one hundred and twenty six miles per hour maximum to maybe sixty eight miles per hour. And i still wouldn't even say as it was passed my head. Or if. I'd been showing off before the match about how i could win. Point repeatedly violently into my testicles. You'd have to ask the played muscle to find out if he thought he could do any better. I don't think it should be very likely to double faults. Even if she somehow contrived to make one single fault in the forty eight points it will take a beat me by two sets to love. It would only be because she'd been hit on the head with an anvil that had fallen from a passing helicopter. And maybe not even then it wouldn't be advisable to rely on this eventuality and it would look suspicious now written about it anyway especially if anyone check amazon order history but there are many reasons i could. Oh look what if i got my racket. One of twenty four serves and by luck pinged off into the court that she couldn't get to. That would probably work if she forgot how to move her legs. Luckily for her it would never happen. I wouldn't get in touch if you don't believe me. check out. The video made by at its black culture on twitter. It shows serena hitting some by her standards. Pretty tame serves to three fairly fit young man who clearly believes they had a chance of returning them. They do not do well swing wildly. Nothing when paul has already passed them one of them is always making men look bad and he winds i know she put some spin on something and it went further out here. I was ready for all all three men. Lineups cover half the court in the hope of getting return but serena still leaves them flailing and dumbfounded. There's one moment of triumph when one declares i snack on it i think he might have just hit the ground. I watched the longer version of. Actually since i wrote this and one time one of them does manage to get over there and she just immediately smashes it into the ground defeats them another. I'd goes down like he's been hit by sniper where one of those gentle serves hits him in the leg last. Not surprising is it is going to maybe fifty miles per hour like a snail compared to a regular serve like a rocket ship compared to yours that even with one hand tied behind their back serena could ninety nine percent of people the planet if you blindfolded there and spun around a few times maybe we'll go down to ninety eight percent so our twelve percent of men overestimating my own abilities underestimating serena's or are they just assuming because they're a man that'd be capable of providing series competition for a woman. Even if that woman is serena williams it'd be interesting to know if they thought they could take point of rafael. Nadal or andy murray but alas they weren't asked about that only three percent of women thought they could win a point still fairly high ten percent claiming not to know but that's one in thirty three as opposed to one in eight and there are significantly fewer deluded women without knowing why these mental they could try against serena and whether they thought they could beat a dull. It's hard to come to any firm conclusion and just like with international. Men's day is fun to take the pace of men with little self or general awareness. is insane. Overconfidence often thought to give an advantage when it comes to applying for jobs because man likely to overestimate their abilities and women to underestimate theirs but the answer. This problem is not to encourage women to become as comically overconfident. As men we want few idiots in the world not more perhaps we could be to encourage men to accept. They are and which skills they have which they should delegate if businesses and countries are run by men with an over inflated idea of their own abilities and who refuse to acknowledge their limitations or the strength of others that can be serious consequences for us all so i go on to discuss the reaction to cove after that particular one which i think is fairly relevant. The there are a lot of the female leads. Countries treated it like a pandemic male lead countries. Treat it like a war. Thank you because. I am looking forward to reading that whole very funny book. It seems like a real page turner and sobe great jokes on every page. It sounds like it would make a great christmas present for everyone in your family. Really awesome christmas presents and for men and for women space. Wonderful wonderful book. Can you re guilty feminists. Will you please welcome to the microphone. The amazing tap reference men men men men men men men men. What's even our men and why well right now. On the day of this recording the sixth of november twenty twenty in the year of our lord himself famously a man we await the results of the american competition for best man. A woman tried to into the competition last time but lots of people said they couldn't put their finger on what it was about her. That made her feel not enough. A man for the job of best man thought. Even the worst man in america would be a better man than the best woman so they found the actual worst man in america and gave him the job for four whole years until only just overhaul of american said. Maybe we don't want the actual westmont in america to do the job. Let's choose again. Elizabeth warren applied for the job. And although she was charming and clever an empathetic and didn't have any of the other issues. That ruled hillary clinton out was still decided by the nice kind inclusive diverse non misogynistic. Half of the country that she wouldn't be as good at being best man as a man seven years older than her. That sometimes looked as if he couldn't remember what you come into the room for. We are still happy about that man. Though just in brackets we will take for. We can get sometimes. Woman is allowed to import ma'am rooms if she promises to play the way and keep guard at the door to make sure no other woman comes in this makes sense if amy coney barrett or pretty patel is in the man room where there's only room for one woman. She must go out the door very carefully because if she lets a woman in she herself may be asked to leave the room to keep the ratio even lock all the sounds like i'm making fun of men. But that's because november the eleventh two thousand and twenty and the year of our lord himself a man who only allowed men to be in his gang and women the privilege of washing his fate. This day this day is your special day. International men's day and i know that taking the piss is how you men show your affection to each other. I love men. I do some of my favorite david attenborough. Straight white men. Some of my favorite husbands a straight white men. I love your desire to help me. Facts without context. I love your desire to watch other men run at each other with a bowl for money and your belief that somehow you win when they do even though you definitely don't no matter what color scarf you're wearing at the time i love that you don't pick your football team based on which scarf color goes best with your eyes. I love it. You think you have to be brave to impress other men as much as women and that you keep your tears inside you like a camel holding them in case you get dehydrated to you. I say it's your day so if you want to let some of those tears out and admit that your side and that sometimes life is spectacular. Disappointing no-one rigged it. You're just not the most popular best man anymore than let it go. Let it go because not every feeling you're feeling is really anger. Some of the feelings are embarrassment and regret and sadness and self loathing. You can let some of those feelings are other ways like tears and talking and if you do it might be a relief for you and everyone man and good after all my hard work of doing this year in year out You still said the international men's day was november the eleventh in november nineteen. Oh shoot oh again. Why have i wasted. Why have i wasted my time. Y'all thinking you've remembrance day. I think the main because of international wednesday sort of because only they went to war because we were highly guilty. This is deborah as you probably know. I'm sometimes asked to go to conferences and speak to people in business about things like diversity and inclusion creativity on how you can better include yourself and include others during lockdown. 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Brown baby explores themes of racism. Feminism parenting and shifting ideas of home. Please come the incredible and the cash shook nicastro clay. You are remind indeed. I am doing this dr seuss. Yeah the man. Indeed i am and continue on. You're on a roll. I read your book brown baby out yet. But i got one of those special copies that you get if you do a show like the guilty feminist ahead of time and i thought it was absolutely remarkable it's like a contemporary memoirs a memoir of the time you're actually living now and it's partly about raising to brown goals in a contemporary brexit britain. And what that means but there was so much vulnerability about your masculinity and about your place in the world that just really blew me away and it's also very very very funny. I wondered if you would read a bit of it so everyone else had a bit of context before we talk. Yeah sure okay Yeah i'm going to read from a section of the book that is cold how to tell you it's time for bed for can help guide to sleep Because each chapter has framed just like a a question that i'm asking about being a parent on this section is Is pretty much about my friends. Who didn't didn't have kids in their reactions to me having a kid. I was in london the day. Your mom desperate for you to sleep. So she could started controlled crying a day early. I came to london to an event about project. The plan was to see a couple of friends for quick drink after and then come home tack on some normalcy. A pub pints bans to a commitment. Already had and your mom said she was fine with me having a few pints. Because she like i was desperate to return to a degree of normalcy and we should both be grabbing any opportunity for pub pint band. Whatever we needed you sleeping was step. One in a return to pub- pints imbalance. I found the point super strange ten minutes late to find my friends saying in a table in silence. Hey as they both got up to greet me. I call them both and sat down a up pint that already been bought for me and sit from it. I felt my mind buzz. It was a text from your mom giving up. it said i'm starting controlled crying. Show i said why haven't sleep problems and we're about. Stop this super wade. Super straight sleep routine to break- by friends giggled. One said two pound coin. I've into the other. They giggled some pat each other on the back. a pound. you've mentioned your baby in the first minutes twenty said my other friend. They laughed childless. The about my consent via mumbai dealing with your inability to lie flat by yourself. While i went to a pub drank pint advance now. My friend said you're not allowed to talk about babies for the rest of the evening and we weren't talk about football. Fuck these guys are. Well still have to talk about anymore. New came in changed absolutely everything now. Everything had conditions attached to it. Spontaneity had repercussions going to the pub instead of straight home had consequences. Having a job that takes me away has an impact a tasted. your mom. Wait till i get home leaving now. I figured what was the point of staying. If i couldn't talk about the one thing i was capable of talking about and my friends can fill the oakwood sunset left by talking about football at times of crisis you get to see a vision of who you are and who you can be did not immediately. I waited feel numb to reply at times of crisis. I'll whitefield to tell me what to do. It would seem. I took twenty minutes to respond. She was probably dating with you. It just said okay thanks. I didn't see the texts coming in immediately. Left my phone on the table and gone outside to smoke what would be my penultimate cigarette. Didn't enjoy a single drag but no being around. My friends was enough for that moment. There was supposed to be my closest friends and yet that told me that the most important thing to me was boring not pub talk not bands not for pints time. I could be here. i needed to. Hi guys said pretending to table on guide. Hi i'm needed the fuck. My friend said standing up trustee to duck our initial round classic. A needed for reasons. I've been told i can't talk about. Debbie's made fun of me being passive aggressive but it didn't matter suddenly none of it matted are needed to be a needed to be home. I noted as rushed to the cheap since we left london. This was the first time i was thinking about home. somewhere else. These moments where you get to see a quick flash that you've grown beyond something. You love often uneasy so many films. We love our about people trying to return to that sense of home and comfort they start from a place of stacy's maybe they're happy with in life maybe they've accepted. It may have a flawed vision of who they want to be lofton. It's different from who they need to be. Maybe they just haven't realized who they need to be. Maybe they think they are who they need to be. Often an external event will folsom to go unwillingly on a journey. Although wanna do is get back to that floor vision of themselves and comfort blanket this office but as they come up against obstacles and trying to attend to their initial status and people challenge that belief in their vision they change and they learn and they try new version of life and they grow when they get closer to that version of them. That is what who the meant to be. When they returned they return changed. The version of themselves is now a dysfunction. It serves no purpose. They have grown beyond who they thought themselves to be. They are now who they were always meant to be on. This does not fit with the stasis. We met them so nice isn't it how hollywood and the classic era man quest story of star wars the lord of the rings in the dynamite have joined a neat little circle around that much university of problems. We'll face be comfortable life disruption comfort. You realize that the comfort after love trying and testing no longer fits you need to grow. A baby is external event hurtling towards earth in the form of an alien invasion ordering that needs to be tucked into amount terrorist hostage crisis in the white house or the that you know even meant to be here today. You have changed everything you might trikha. I wanna quest to become a person and in the hollywood version of this film. Avaz the moment. I left the pub. The pints the bathroom for my friends was a significant moment for me in the movie version. Bradley cooper for in the movie version of a book about how to raise a brown baby. They'll find a way to send the white person story or just brown. Fat and bradley. Cooper up for oscar winning performance. He'll his pie down an terrible english accent. Tennis friends that there needs to be more supportive of him that he doesn't have time for that chat about their single knives. Who their shepherding hilarious. Things i did when they were drunk. I needs to be with this baby. Got dammit then storm out. He'll be unless the square just to hammer home. The fact that. We're in. London bradley cooper writing london accent mate. You'll take the central line from slash described as kensington which is actually notting hill. Yes i know. This is an impossible troop. Johnny told that to the makers of thor the dark world while he'll be greeted at the door with his wife by whichever actress young and blunted heart and gusty and yet twenty five when this film gets made any. Take the baby off. A kisser like it's last kiss on this greenough and slammed the door saying honey. I'm home in reality. A tube to paddington way to thirty minutes for the next train. Sloppily and sadly comf- eight five tacos and drank tebas thinking about how woeful that drink had been. What kind of apocalyptic scenes. I was headed towards a sounder train for two hours. Washed the terrible action comedy. The now tell you what it was during the three bays on the train. Eight crisps and my friends to text me an apology. Sorry just wanted to give rich. Also some context and grace if she wanted to chip in. But i'm very interested in the two of you talking about being modern contemporary dads who are trying to be good men and understanding the history of mendez. Rich your raising a boy and a girl yes and or girl and a boy goes older. You wear under look at them either. Way around to say shifting as children do running around the house. they're not always in the same order. that's the small sure do movement. They moved thomas very slippery slope people there and the cashier raising two goals. I mean i just think. I don't even know what kind of minefield this is. Now in terms of the desire for i suppose contemporary liberal people to try and impose the gender binary less on your children but also on what they bring to you and if your daughter does come home. Covid wants to wear pink dresses with rainbows and unicorns on them. Not to kind of somehow make. That's something that you disparaging your house. Because what's wrong with sony. A color in its own unicorn. It's not necessarily something to be dispatched because it is traditionally thought of as feminine. So how do you both. Can you just talk to each other about this. Because i'm interested in hearing this conversation. I mean the you're saying this as someone who is not currently in the house covered in unicorns unicom. Freestone here don't have any children. I have not interested in unicorns that never. They've never requested unicorn maybe they pining for one and they don't know how to tell me i don't know but yeah richie is your daughter. Very fem in her. Not overly we. We've raised both saying everything is for everyone and my wife especially is very very hard on that. So the minute the won't she started going to nursing school. She would you say this is for boys and my wife would say no. Everything's where everyone well this girls and everything's for everyone so whatever we're doing and we've allowed the boat be they want. My son got a an address for his birthday. Casse by dot has an address so she likes dressing up in that sort of thing and that he is very influenced by her. They both got the snowman costume as well but he wanted to have an address so it could play frozen with the sister and here is three so of course i mean even if he was thirteen. Of course it'll be okay but he's just saying that everything's alright. He's so inference by her so every copies everything she does and it's lovely because she's on the whole very good so we've been in very loving big sister with occasional lapses of pulling his hair when he's being knowing so yeah we've just tried to let them be who they are. I mean i found that the issue of my daughter is that she loves her mom and is very affectionate with him but she's not physically affectionate with me and the hardest thing i find about hardly ever and i find it very hard obviously to respect you have to respect bat and that why wasn't anticipating that as a parent that you are. My son is very very physical and what's kissing. Hugs all the time. Every time he leave the room he wants to hug when my daughter if i attempted to kiss her attempted to hugger without instigating which he doesn't do very often is that will be terrible. So that's the biggest challenge i found. See again this is why i say cats preferable because you can just grabbed them one of my favorite spots grace patriots where she said. I'm a feminist. But i said the other day out loud to my cat you have let me hold you because i feed you. One of my favorite cat doesn't like me either so my dog likes me and my son my as a female dog. So that's something. My cats are male cat and doesn't like me my daughter. I think my daughter likes me. But she's you know she's she's you know she likes. She'd met tells the joke she's looking straight and because he was enough. I've laughed so that's language is love you from the comedian died. If we're being together and she does she will. She's not it's just weird. You would expect to happen with my son that he you know he is changing and go back and forth. But i think that was. I think like fifteen years ago. Twenty years ago. I've been a dad and my daughter didn't want to hug me out of to say come in you've got to be out and this is no more than but now i think correctly it's just odd is harder as you as a dad to not have those moments affection when she gives it to my wife all the time but but yeah. She's she knows her mind. I sort of think they are what they are pretty quickly. I think with when she came out she was pretty much. This you could sorta say face which is going to be. And she was very confident. And you know i think the personality is defined by all you can do is fuck it up really so i think even if you allow them to be who they are and white that they hopefully will turn out okay but you know. Not at the moment jazz and gordon. She's not girly but she hasn't gone down the pink route and all that sort of thing. She's still very much sticks to what she you know. She thinks she can do everything she thinks she went. Accept help from anyone about anything. She's five years old and she wants to put one catch upon on foreign gaza milk on the floor tribes school more. She would have to drive the car but long enough yet. Well don't tell diana that point. Her limitations dotson scourging nick cash. How has manliness being redefined in your lifetime. Either as a man or apparent do you feel it shifted and you've had to change with it. Is that anything. That's difficult that you were raised to do that. You now think on not meant to do that now. Is there anything. That's hard yeah. I think that there's a softness invulnerability that just wasn't acceptable in our house growing up i was the eldest son of lots Sisters and my dad was always a walking. I kind of have to take on the mantle of being the going and the the guy who had of lots of time with an opportunity was presented to me as the eldest and as as And the thing of night is having kids is actually the ability to be soft and vulnerable and also admit to make. Mistakes has been really important. Because i grew up in a household where my parents would never admit to make mistakes. They would never admit to shouting because hung over or being grumpy because of some nazi on twitter was telling them to go. Have you ever reason. I take out my kids but like this space to admit that i can make mistakes. It's been really important things to me. Because i don't want to present myself to my children as infallible because that way mountainous license but generations of parents have done not really. I don't remember my parents. It wasn't a thing that your parents apologized to you if they lost it and actually get the feeling. It wasn't really about you. It wasn't a thing that i think happened very much in that generation. Is there anything rich that you feel. You've had to shift or change like you said like if you'd had kids when you're younger you may not have known about the physical boundaries of consent when it comes to sort of you know this well intention. Dad cuddle and kiss but actually wanna know. There are many other ways in which you've had to change a man on notice the world around g changing. You've had to kind of fit into that change. I don think we not exactly nothing. I'm lucky to be a bit older. I'm glad i've left a later to have kids. Because i think i'm much more so than myself. I'm sort of think because i'm happy by skin. I wish i was in my twenties and thirties. I'm confident of to be who i am as a man and i've really but i i never i always confused me. The men were meant to be a certain way. I didn't feel. I was the way that men was supposed to be three my school days and my being young because i'm not typically aggressive. I'm not particularly practical. I'm not good or interested in cars and all that sort of stuff that supposedly what a man is and it confused me that the men were against yourself a. I am getting excellent again. That's not particularly manley to play school. Sudan's yourself on a six point three new table. But yeah i wasn't good as i wasn't good at spoiler wasn't good school. Remember thinking why the sporty kids allowed to show off the clever kids on and off. But i i think luckily i think things are changing. And i think that's it's good for men is good to be it for you to be who you are and be allowed to be sensitive and allowed that sensitive passenger kid so you know my parents generation and probably all of our parents generation. It was difficult month. And my mom and dad look at my sister when the way she raised her kids and she was more of a friend than a mother figure you know she was cheat the much more equally and i think my mom regretted that they were much more strict with training in the had that parent child relationship so yeah. I think you've got to be careful that you don't let your kids run amok and do exactly what they want but i think also is really important to let them express themselves and be you. Just find them. I mean they're delight to me nearly all the site. I find them being funny. Which is the problem. Because if they're being bad. I'm not meant to be laughing and i want them both so they are really funny and i think you just appreciate more than just said. Look at them in the morning. And it's just so i don't understand. They came from or who they are. But it's not ice staff. The mayor necati. You could change one thing about being a man one or two things about being a man in the way that men have been shaped by society. What things which you change for the next generation of men. I'd want to address the fixed position that men tend to from so much of the. You know the resistance that rich and his talking about in his book and so much of the cutted the resistance. I find whenever i'm talking about issues around race is that is often is overwhelmingly men who i a catch. The eye of the operate from this fixed position that this an lens through which they see the world and find it very different to appreciate that there are other lenses through which we can see things that you know. Richard and i'm both are men but we have seen the world through this lens. Many socio economic reasons. Like i'm not white. Richard didn't go up in london I grew up in london. But there's an age difference as well so it's a bringing up by sixty and it's gonna be okay and these. Tell me a big fan of rich when you were at school. Yeah i would totally go in a fist. The fun date with him happens. That's why would i would have. I'm not that you could a lot worse than the cash shukra. You'd be lucky to go on a date with nicole. I cannot tightening handsome on the front of the book. you could do a lot. Friendless lindley. yeah not said to this podcast. You can put in the front of book. Lawrence folks questioned thing is really really good example of this you know. He took umbrage with the fact that he was being called what he was. And that might mean that the way he views the world might be different from someone else's and his kind of it would appear as turn that into a very lucrative career. But that is the thing that i would want to changes that. We don't see the of the same and that's okay And you know the idea of being a matter of being a woman that you know that it's a very broad thing that we share certain things but we're very different all the way and i don't think men and women are more of the same that we really have made. I think a lot of men and women are pushing themselves towards the stereotypes in order to pay more masculine feminine. But a lot of people trying to conform to a stereotype. And i think we're all on it but many many spectrums and that's why it sort of feels like when you were particularly masculine man. It felt like i still make jokes. Man alleged leona. Thanks for noticing when you understand that it's just a broad definition based on you know gender and whatever and that you can be whoever you want. The world opens up. And i think that's is should be liberating for everyone to realize they can be who they want and they don't have to conform. I think a lot of men just confirmed what they're meant to be doing. In order to impress whoever that kind of alpha male is the in their life. And you know i think to be free from that and to be allowed to be who you are which you get bit with age as a man. 'cause you're released a little bit from the social constructs is very liberated. Can i just ate the mice manly thing at this point and referencing. Hbo book set as straight straight straight. My point there's this thing that happens in the sopranos really interesting where tony soprano is really pushing against the fact that he's in therapy. He's having to talk about when he gets to vulnerable. He starts talking about this idea of the strong silent type you know like when he was growing up that was the pinnacle of masculinity was the strong silent type and i do think that that is the fixed position through which men of assume a certain type of masculinity is about bit strength and silence and stoicism and actually the thing that i found is being the exact opposite of that with my kids makes for so much more of a fruitful relationship than overby of with dad up until i was old enough to go to the pub with him and have conversations right. Do you think it's booze. Is that why men go to the pub so often because abuse lowest the inhibitors. And so that you can actually have a conversation that thing it's so we can talk about. Hbo box. we're all lucky in that. We have jobs where we can express ourselves. And you know. I'm allowed to talk about my feelings and i think that's the issue is you know is like you were saying earlier. Debra just as ground intimate not to cry not to express yourself not to show weakness this trump's of complete zan if that approach and that you know you can't even then admit you've lost continent that you've done anything wrong in your life and that's not a liberating way to live. And i think that's why i think men probably do need a day that they actually they actually talk to each other and discuss things that bother them. Because the minute you do find that way in which i think through comedy you do a lot okay with through when i needed talking you do you'd make a joke and know and then so i was right in their but a man came up to came back into the theater after one show. And there's a bit about hurt damaging your pain. It's quite an unpleasant way. And he came up to me and you quite big tough guy. He said oh. He's looking for his cigarettes cigarettes. So i thought then we'll never happened to. Thanks mike for do you know. And it was literally just the relief of being able to mention this slightly mildly embarrassing. That had happened to him and just knowing he wasn't alone. And i just that's why that loneliness that feeling that you can't express yourself failing the everything rests on your shoulders is so eroneous anyway and it's ridiculous so if we can encourage men to talk and encouragement to realize that they're you know they're allowed to have feelings and crying isn't about then we'll we'll be back there in the future but is is getting through those generations and generations of men who've had that you know sometimes literally beaten into them that they can That i can't cry or they can't say they fail and it's and that leads onto the other issues the problem for all of us. Oh he's fail. We we as men. We have the responsibility to attempt to make things better for each other. Completely and i do. There are things that i think where i talk in my book about the issues posed by men's rights activists many of which are not really stand up to any ricca. But some do. I think women children i does stand up and like being able to kind of talk about the fact that men. If there's something dangerous manitoba go and do it in mental to get out of the boat. I and mena toll to go to the front line and fight but inevitably whoever's telling them to do it is a man. It is true that more men killed by homicide than women bought ninety six percent of all homicides are committed by men and the other four percent by women usually self defense in other words if men's dot killing killing would stop. And that's that's a big old thing to realize. And i feel like if some of these emotions whoa process in other ways that weren't anger enough different strategies we gazed. It would solve a lot of the world's problems like a lot an awful lot. What's the best thing about being man. What what are you know and whatnot. That's a bad question. What do you enjoy about being a man when we standing up. that's it. it's really got older. That gets more difficult as well. I mean there's you know there's there's loads of great things. I think it's just the great things about being a human being. I don't think there's any massive difference between the best things about being a man and best things about bigger woman the best things just finding way because he him say being father because no manifestos. You can't say we will have different experiences. So i can. I can see lots of things that i'd love. I'd love the way that what's projected upon. You is that you're going to be good at something unless you prove that. You're not good at it so you don't have to prove that you could be a ceo or president or they don't have to prove that they assumption is. You'll be good at leading the assumption is you're going to be good at this kind of thing will be good with lots of money like i mean an individual might not be but this experience because that's not my experience that can i just say that i was raised by social workers and that is one hundred percent. My experience brought me up to believe. I should do everything and anything see. I think when you came into comedy. You wanna comedian. Look like were you in the oxford revue. The dishes the review and it was really difficult for women to get in. Because we just didn't look right. Comedians not say. I might not have gone in any way but i know i walked in one woman picked and if i go into even now into if come into a regional comedy club not counting pandemic but when i can if i go into a regional comedy club on kind of nice i've seen it happen like black in the last couple of years people in the audience have turned to each other in front of my face and i don't find him funny. I don't like women. Comedians like i can see them saying it so you have to spend that first five minutes convincing them. You're as good as the guys so that projection. I think you don't realize probably as i often don't realize as a white person i'm becoming much more aware that certain things will be projected onto me as a white woman. Innocence is projected. I believe white women especially in presenting what women to be the least criminalized group in the world. I truly truly believe we talked about this on your podcast rich. But i'm as part of your audiobook if you get audio book. There is no meal like a white woman who doesn't know she's carrying 'cause she novice he doesn't she's carrying and women adjust through if i were found honesty in an airport with cocaine on me and i went. Oh my god. Oxford over there was started when i started to cry. I'd probably be allowed to go whereas the cash over here. I reckon i wouldn't buy that. Second is true but you know you aware of it. So that doesn't feel like an advantage but also i think you will. I also definitely wherever it. 'cause i just hope j yeah. I wasn't aware of that being issue. What i was starting up. I guess is now but i also think in the last ten years the comedy scene said i'm involved with this change enough that the audience wouldn't be waited at by several women on bill but definitely for most of the time i've been a comedian would be in the last couple of years. It depends where you are obviously no but if you came out onto the stage to do stand up comedy at the guilty feminist they would be people. Look at each other and go all this. We've come full honestly then you win them round because you were trauma. Richard would be a moment. There would be a moment naked. Anything you love about being a man. No men's roy activist but you know this is a terrible thing to admit but the way my kids big me up for dig very basic household notice when my partner is doing them a defect down. That's pretty cool. That's that they do that. Because you seem as present a parents wife which is which is not we note it to the whenever they do night to sit by what they do so give us. Give me that credo so now. We don't understand why that's come from other than something that has been internalized. Probably the thing. That i'm learning more and more as i get older and sort of. I don't think this is something. I've happening in lockdown like being in one place and being a one place with a lot of my male friends in one place is kind of given us this space to have much more intimate relationships with each other in terms of how much we sharing whether it's on zee things or whatsapp groups and stuff and one of the things. I've radio Appreciated is understanding that. My discomfort does not trump anyone else's humanity and i think so much of wall causes men to react angrily or causes them to react badly. This've deep fear of getting stuff wrong and that discomfort them feels like the worst thing in the world which is why they try and cover up by leading with either aggression or anger rule insults band so taking the piss and whatnot and actually the ability to say something. Get it wrong set in that discomfort land from it and trying to batteries at one of the most powerful things in the world and somebody appreciate. I appreciated learning how to do more of that in the last few months. Amazing anything either. If you came to say that you didn't get to say about your book about manliness about anything of thing. My books called the problem with men and is is available in all formats right now right now the best thing about being a man is big allowed to do the bins and no one can stop. Stop here. I'm very excited to read this book. It's seems very funny. And if you get the audio book you'll get a podcast me and rich banging on for another hour if you can tolerate it. Jesus we've set enough. We've said too much. There's so much content now there's too much content no seriously by the audiobook but also by the book book as well because in a pandemic none of us can do the proper jobs that we normally do so it does support artists. If you're actually buy the book the cash shukla anything else to say or promote or plug you're given is that it's the american actions. The usa edition of the imigran came out in paperback a couple of weeks ago. Lovely different covers. ma Brown baby is out in february. But a preorder is a very good thing trays. pre-ordered manziel. Because you'll really like. It really compelled me and i read it almost in one sitting and i kept texting the cash little bits that i found particularly poignant funny i laughed a lot and i cried and it did make me think as well as all of the things you could ask for a book and a few more brown baby preorder now grace. Petri man fronts on expert extraordinaire. Can you tell me before you sing your song. What does that you don't like about men was put off what i like about men that are compitition for the ladies. I'm joking. I'm talking to whoever rhetorical joke. It was it was. It was a rhetorical jake. I wasn't really asking about to direct your list. Extensive book titled problems. I've got with men. I available no. I'm joking of course even by grace peachy. And what song are you going to sing today. Do you know what i think he should do. Because i wanted to be christmas number one is i think he should do your lockdowns on again because it's really one hundred percent because at the moment everyone's having just out you see having to play the last bit of that podcast so i would do that because i think it's gonna be. We wanted to be christmas number one. That's out campaign. So this is a song about lockdown. That we i am begging grace to sing again k. Cash have you been enjoying lotte. I didn't love lockdown. a william. You realize this is going to you through rich this song if you've been thinking oh fuck. I'm going to do this. Won t small kids running around the house. This song is going to get you through. Oh crikey that's thank you so good no manhattan. That's the real title of my book Butts in the nineties rolling clouds again dog around your head of one they bring then you are searching the rise in this signs little spa morning not will the dog ause the windsor spray esteem in chiming in. Go closing every thing now. Their housing lesson is this the dog teaming facing instead he bites all and seen give when you'll be in my mom's again stormy weather on this. We know what we walk. I will love forever where you will again next year. We will again next while unfamiliar now. He's selbe nunc now. Which is surgery nine. I am sailing right beside you. I am just now bombs mayan strength forest guest tonight. Six might thing then is think you'll be the this coming. Never not be more viable blue next soon. Well when it does. I'll be there. Fill your glass storm here so weather the storm here the weather here so well the swell this weather coming in and out love them. We will. Next wave will next week. You will We will dance again next year. You the time. Remain richard herring. Very special guests catch ketchup with music from brace patriot. The guilty composed mom project produced by sheldon. The produce was thompson escape. The spotlight shop. Thanks to rachel croff maturity. Everyone like this episode happened as well as of you listening more advice. Sure this another episode. Guilty dot com Could have done. We could've done that. Taylor swift one. Where did you get okay. Yeah it's amazing summation cool. I did think of another one. We of listen to you. Well record at the same time which is quite annoying. No we loved it. Thank you. I read it. I realize we could have done the taylor swift one way. You sing the some that she wrote as a boy. i could. yeah. I could have done that will week. We'll do it another time. I love that. So i did. I did a cover of this so rich. I what most people know about me is that i have been planning for some years to end up married to taylor swift and am i did this cover on instagram. One of our sons and they've made the gay news. It made pink. News knows a headline picture of taylor swift picture of me and i just found out today because i went to google the name of my first album which begins with a t and one of the first results when you type in grace petri t on google. It's grace patriot taylor swift. So i'm claiming losing towards my eventual goal of ending american commented on this cover weaning well on the wall. I'm plan the long game deb. Land a very very long game between us must have lost a link to taylor swift. It'll happen yeah well. He's light twice as tall as me literally. So we've we've got stunning. Thua goes ahead just between us becoming new best friends with harry styles a sister so armor akin yet. Because she's making a podcast about doing good things in the world and she asked me to be a guest on it and i realise she'd been following me for years. I didn't realize they got six million followers on instagram. Because she's harassed as assistant but she seems like a good person. So i'm going to podcast very soon. Obviously i'll be hanging out with harry styles and that means that's one step tailored halloran. Taylor must be that. Must they ought to be gotta be told me you waving at me. Picture cujo picture. Oh yes pictures.