19 Episode results for "Christobal"

The Times Square New Year's Eve Ball: Behind the Scenes

WSJ Tech News Briefing

07:04 min | 1 year ago

The Times Square New Year's Eve Ball: Behind the Scenes

"The the impact of technology is prompting businesses to rethink everything from marketing to customer service. But what does the business landscape of the future actually look like find out when we return to the transformation minute from comcast business. This is your techniques breathing for Tuesday December. KNBR THIRTY I. I'm Qatari. Yokum from the Wall Street Journal in New York. It's New Year's Eve and here in the New York Bureau of the Wall Street Journal. We're just blocks away from the spectacle in the city city and from one of the most iconic parts of the celebration the Times Square ball the ball that drops at midnight to celebrate this momentous occasion in our Jr Waylon is going to take us behind the scenes and behind the technology that makes that ball drop. That's coming up after the break. Welcome back to the transformation minute from comcast business. How will the business landscape of the future look different from where we are today? We have to need hasty as VP of comcast business. There's been a major paradigm shift across all industries in banking expect to see virtual financial experts for financial consulting planning. They'll be communicating with with their customers via video at the same time. Authentication will likely evolved to use biometrics. Passwords may actually become a thing of the past. Aw at New Year's Eve parties around the world this evening you'll be handed a glass of champagne. You'll be wished well in the New Year and what makes it's the evening complete is seeing the ball drop atop Times Square. Who Better to talk to is the man behind the ball in Times Square? Tom Brennan of Waterford Crystal Tom. Thanks for being with us. How long does it take every year to get the ball? Ready for the drop on New Year's Eve is there is such a team of people behind us. We've got the marketeers. We've got the craftsman back in Ireland or the European facilities a glass door but actually make this actually designed this and it is an annual collaboration. Really never stops what happens right now. We're getting ready for the big the big buildup for Times Square. The ball drops each year. It is the most watch brown on the planet for that moment in Time New Year's eve and then we basically start the process. All over we take a day or two off we regroup. We start all over so it was an annual process. It never ever stops each one of those Waterford Crystal Triangles on the ball. Are they handcrafted. Yes I was twelve thousand pounds in weight with this two thousand six hundred and eight crystal panels and there are an element of handcraft with with the technology the technology but yet we have backing award from a European facility so it is quite a process to get this perfect speaking of technology. It's the light show on the ball that's made it so unique in the past couple of years it is a remarkable feat. What really is? This is the seventh incarnation of Times Square Ball. Drop so basically back in one thousand nine hundred were the first celebration in New York back in. Nineteen O oh seven was the actual force ball. Drop what we're looking at here. Today is the seventh incarnation but we work with brought this to life is back in two thousand and seven with the basically the technology the led was we wrote to bring award for Christa. Basically your life because once. You're looking at twenty six hundred or so Waterford Crystal triangles behind that you've got thirty two thousand. He's generating over sixteen million light parents. So you're right in your assumption really has brought to life in the last number of years. It's quite a bit of electricity. It's I think the electric bill could be a little bit high in January anyway. But let's worry about it then right so as far as Waterford Crystal goes is. Is this the most ambitious technology project every year it is. I mean we are part of just give you a little background about us so when you think of what everything that Waterford Crystal is associated with with celebration with success celebrating presenting God trophies to atheletes elites in various tournaments around the world for really what you're looking at right. Here is our crowning jewel that encompasses everything that water for the supposed to be because it really is a celebration eleboration of our success. We are an Irish heritage brand dating back two hundred and thirty six years but this is the pinnacle of our action. Look no doubt about that a piece of crystal like this with its history and its stature requires a lot of care when it goes up the pole down the pole at midnight. How does that happen? Basically there is a machine behind. Hi this is like the wizard of Oz is a huge hydraulic power system. That basically drives. That's remember the way that is six tons in weight and six tons in weight going up the way not coming down the way so you can feel the cables here all around us that Dr Dot Technology some six tons of weight is about twelve thousand pounds. So it's quite a feat of engineering to make that go up and then come back down as the ball drops. I mean when you think about it. We can't get this wrong. We've got one point. Two billion people watching this we have to get it right but it is about the celebration. It is about the moment moment. That's what it's all about for me and for Waterford from my vantage point on watching television every year. It seems like it's perfect every year. It is because I can tell you right now. That the testing of everything. Everything is meticulous. It goes on for months and months obviously this afternoon testing the hydraulics. Were not testing the hydraulics for testing the lighting's daily behind behind testing on the sequencing to make sure that everything goes in perfect unison. So even right now as we're talking in this people around testing when I'm behind the scenes because this is something that we have to get perfect every time. Tell me about the small piece of space. We are on the top of this building up with the ball right here. Being watched by more than a billion people says a lot about a unity in the world it is. I mean it is I. I'm glad you said that because when you think of what happens to our calendar year one moment that everybody stops for a second is New Year's Eve because what happens is when new Ziv starts when the countdown begins in the New Year comes in tomorrow where you're on the world no matter what time difference that you're in you're celebrating with your loved ones you pull your loved ones close. Give them a kiss. You give them a hug. You're making New Year's resolution you decide to do something you say. I'm going to go to the gym. I go on vacation. You start something new. And that's what new New Year's Eve is. It's it's a new. It's a new page the next day but this year is very different because it not just a new year to brand new decade thinking about that. That's very unique. The average person lives to be eighty nine hundred years of age. We only see eight or nine decades in our lifetime so the first of January. This is a very unique time. We're hoping that everybody can take that message of goodwill This year and just bring it forward make it happen and look for the good in every situation because there's always good there sometimes. We don't always see what happens to the crystals after January first basically the time uh-huh scoreboard behind. This never comes in that stays out all whether there's no you know what the searing heat can be like New York in the summertime. It can be up to one hundred one hundred and five hundred ten degrees. You know what in the wintertime it can be negative authority in more. The christobal never gets covered crystal. Never gets taken into what you're seeing right there that will that will give you an idea of the strength of Krista of how doable and how useful it is because it stays out all year round. It's not always in. Its position right now. In his resting position we call it but we never take it in. We never cover it up all right. That's Tom Brennan of Waterford for crystal joining us. Tom Thanks for coming on the show. Thanks for having me guys anytime. And that was your techniques briefing. Im Qatari Yoga Street Journal. Quick note we won't be on the air tomorrow but we'll be back on Thursday. Thanks for listening and happy New Year.

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The Truth About Moms and Beauty Sleep

Pick the Brain

12:56 min | 2 years ago

The Truth About Moms and Beauty Sleep

"Welcome to the pick. The brain podcasts where we pick the brains of the brightest minds in the areas of health self-improvement productivity and kicking ass at life. I am Jeremy Fisher always alongside my co host Aaron Falconer. Well, Aaron today, we're going to hear from an article written by very interesting person. Fan of caller genius. Listeners. It's funny to us because the article organ here today was written and narrated by our own Erin Falconer. That's me. Sorry. It was just taking a nap. Nice. All right. Let's jump in. The truth about moms and beauty sleep. You'd willingly sacrificed plenty for the sake of your new baby. But one thing you should be more selfish about is your sleep while the amount of time. You spend snoozing will almost decrease dramatically in the first weeks in months, if not years of new motherhood, you should try to get as much good rest as you can. And not for the sake of beauty sleep deprivation is detrimental to your physical health leaving more vulnerable to illness and prone to accidents, and it messes with your mental and emotional health. One of the more troubling side effects of sleep deprivation may be triggering or worsening postpartum, depression or exile as well as other mood disorders. It doesn't have to be that way while indulging in long sleep-ins, maybe unrealistic for the foreseeable future, it's entirely possible to be more strategic and yes, selfish about your own sleep needs the benefits of sleep are clear for you and your health, but remember too that more well rested. Mom is good for everyone in the house. Here's what you need to know make sleep priority. Well, it's fine. Ignore the laundry in the thank you card. You can meaning to send don't ignore sleep. Next time your baby is happy and fed in dozing. You can join her in the prone position shut your eyes and take a blissful. Even if brief nap a twenty to thirty minute, nap has the power to fresh you without making you groggy. Do it everything else? Can wait communicate. Your needs is your mom or a friend coming over and asking what she can do to help speak up and say that what you really would like is for her to take the baby for a walk and let you sleep let your partner know. No, one is a mind reader that everyone in the house will be happier and healthier if you can nap or have a weekend morning lion. While he cooks cleans handles babycare trade night feedings if you're nursing pump milk before bed. So that the next feeding can be handled by your partner while you sleep that will give your body a few uninterrupted hours in a row this gives you body a chance to cycle through the stages of sleep experts note that it's the constant interruption of the sleep cycles that does the most damage to your health. Turn off or turn down the baby monitor newborns aren't known for slipping quietly. And if your senses are fine tuned to hear every gurgle in Snuffle, you're less likely to fall insidiously between actual waking 's no worries when your baby is truly awake hungry in crying. You'll know it make sure your baby's environment is sleep friendly and safe. Keep it quiet. The some babies like white noise machines or the wearing of fan. Cool dark put your baby to sleep on her back and consider breathe -able mattress like the ones from Newton baby knowing she safe and comfy will help you sleep better to work toward a sleep schedule, though, not every baby will sleep through the night by six months. Most babies are perfectly capable of sleeping for seven or eight hours at a stretch by this age. So encourage that with small moves along with not jumping up at every noise. You should also keep nighttime feeding short and sweet don't turn on any lights or make much noise. The ideas to communicate that it's Sleepytime. Now, your baby will get the message eventually talk to your doctor. It's leafless is leaving you feeling helpless hopeless anxious or depressed. Call your doctor. Immediately postpartum depression is a very real risk. And you should not have nor a final note. You're not alone all over America, new mothers, pacing rocking wondering if this stage will ever end rest, no pun intended, assured it will. All right errant, just heard your narration of that article you selfish. Mom you. Christobal tonight. You after I think so works. I'm sure there listeners are happy. Not to just listen to me, always narrating like, oh, finally, a different voice. I like. That's not what our Twitter feed is telling everybody loves the Jair, all well, I gotta tell you. I appreciate that the voice literally and figuratively that you have given to moms that, you know, might feel selfish about taking care of themselves along with taking care of their kiddos. Yeah. So this idea of sleep is something that I have really wrestled winds as you know, I'm recovering insomniac. And it's funny, right. When I got this sleeping thing under under control for any serious amount of time. Of course, it got pregnant and that all got really messed up being pregnant, and then of course, having a newborn so it was really important to me to kind of tell the story of how important and why its own -portant. You know, sleep, especially when you've got screaming baby that needs all of your energy. And so yeah. So that's kind of you know, your first inclination where at least mine was when I had a newborn was that. You just have to be there twenty four seven, and like, you know, I mean, really 'cause you're facing this idea, especially if it's your first that like, you're just trying to keep them alive at a certain point because the way it feels like, and so a, you know, you really wanted to be I really wanted to be on call at all times. But I quickly learned as I went back into my earlier findings as was trying to sleep by might Ju-just when it was just me that I'm no help anybody if I'm exhausted wiped out energy depleted, especially for a little baby that needs so much energy. So I wanted to kind of break it down. And just say, you know, it's there are ways to get enough. Shut eye. You just have to be very conscious of it will in coming from someone who. Hasn't has a newborn, but also has a has a lot of work to do. I think it's a it's a good thing. It's a good source to get this information from because you know, a lot of people take the opportunity to stay at home with their kids. And that can be amazingly helpful you, you didn't have that as an option and have somehow found a way to make it work. Right. Yeah. And I've done that. No, no word of a lie. I've done that by making sleeper priority. The, you know, the the example of there's my kitchen was a master's, laundry everywhere. And you know, I don't like that situation. Normally, I be immediately cleaning everything up to have a presentable house. And it was I had to make the choice of very sternly with myself to let that stuff go and sleep, and I'm so happy that I did because it's just unbelievable. The difference that even thirty minutes of sleep you can have and not just not just for you for. For the kid. Yeah. You know what I mean? So so it's just so important. And of course, this also dovetails heavily with I didn't suffer from postpartum depression, a couple of my friends did and the lack of sleep exacerbates those symptoms. That's Jewish in to no end. And the last thing you wanna do find yourself on medication than that's complicated. If you're breastfeeding. It just opens up a whole new world of stress that if you could avoid it by by by resting enough, or at least as much as you can. It's just such a better situation for for the entire family. Well, I I'm happy that you mentioned in the circle what you said about not not asking your partner to be a mind reader and basically asking when you need help talking about trading night feedings, and that kind of thing I mean as someone who can be pretty dense, myself, definitely not a mind reader. This is helpful information. This is a good thing to communicate. Well, you know, what's really interesting about this is that one of the things that I didn't one hundred percent anticipate is after having baby is how much at least in my case. And I think this is true of so many situations. How much the dad wants to participate and yet it's it's difficult. Because again, if you're breastfeeding you're you're feeding the baby among many times, you're feeding the baby to put him right back to sleep. And so you're putting the baby to sleep. You're doing a lot of the, you know, the heavy lifting the quote, unquote, important stuff and ice. It's funny because I really felt a sense of helplessness in Louis because he wanted to be so involved, and yet here I was kind of like, no, I've gotta do it. I've got to do it and the second. I I said wait, how can I figure out it actually was born out of this lack of sleep? Whereas I just gotta do something different. This is insanity. And then I started to figure out a way, you know. Can't pump milk and the beautiful thing is that then it gave him. It wasn't just about my sleep. It gave him something to really do that was meaningful. And he felt like he was really involved in the process, and I think that was a massive unexpected win for all of us. So again, it's like I think it's such a great thing to do to get the dad who who get most of them really want to be involved if you'll find a way to get them involved. And of course, the the benefit then is that you can have a much better sleep. Yeah. Happy. Yeah. No. That's a that's a really important point. I think the non birthing parent, whether it's a dad or in the case of another mom, we have it really easy. We really do. And I think there's I don't we do. It's just it's very need to say that out loud. Basically that the person doing the birthing has much much much much harder than the person. Not. And so as a. Partner, you know, who cares about the wellbeing of the person that you're in this relationship with you can feel like you're not doing I can certainly understand that you feel like you're not doing enough. Even if you're doing a lot because the other person, the birthing parents just doing so so much so the idea that you've kind of communicated. Hey, feel okay about asking them to do things is I think super super important and for those people who have who give birth and have a partner with them. I mean, I think that's I think that's super super important. Yeah. Absolutely on many levels. And you know, that mentioned that mattress that you mentioned sound sounds kinda cool that Newton on yet. Honestly, it's really there's there's a video on the website. I I'm gonna I'm gonna mess this up. I'm not exactly sure. A hundred percent it's made in Japan. And it's made out of this kind of. I don't even know it's like a five. For that is woven together to create almost this nest. And that's why it's so breathable because it's not dense is it's there's air pockets all throughout it. It's super super cool. There's nothing worse than sleeping on a mattress that just feels like it's gonna make you hot hot. Exactly. Yes. And it's actually so from temperature standpoint, I think this is been it has really helped regulate. Well, that's that's great and good news. If anybody listening is interested in the Newton baby mattress that I mentioned you can go to Newton baby dot com and enter the code pick the brain twenty eight teen for a twenty percent discount until the end of the year. Well, that's that's awesome. Well, Aaron I think that's a good place for you. And I to rebel the Sepah sewed, thanks for writing narrate and that one fourth. Oh, my pleasure anytime. All right. Well until next time I'm Jeremy Fisher. Falkiner right need to keep moving keep thinking and keep growing.

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I Love Cats/The Wizard Who Could Just Go Poof (feat. John Oliver)

Story Pirates Podcast

35:15 min | 2 years ago

I Love Cats/The Wizard Who Could Just Go Poof (feat. John Oliver)

"Hey grownups before we start the show. We have a quick message for you. From today's sponsor baby bell. Heater. What's wrong? No Peter gets like this. It can only mean one thing inter Salvino stack. Hungry. Peter you're gonna eat something quick. That's nothing nearby. It's easy. It could. Maybe I just the thing a mini baby. Bell snack cheese. What did you say? A media baby. Bell the rich creamy one hundred percent real cheese. Okay here. Take a by. How was it? That cheese is operating. Ed. Grownups prevent the next snack attack with baby bell look for many baby. Val in the deli. Dairy section of local grocery store. Snacktime is saved. Another beautiful day drink it in Haley. Hey, Peter isn't an incredible day. The sun is shining. There's not a cloud in sight reflecting the sky on a magical Viking slash pirate hybrid podcast chip. Everything's perfect summited a good mood who what? Who who's in a good mood? You. Oh, well, you should have said that what by. Okay. Somebody's confused. Who you understand? What's happening? Neither do I need to do. I neither do I. Rachel where are you? Right. We're not in the water where in the sky. Wooding ice Merck's called really tall. Brad leaves? Are you talking about trees trees the wooden icebergs trees? Thank you. We're not to giant dri. Finally, sunny, that's not confusing. Wait. Thank you. Outing. Pretty dumb. But it's really funny. Weird can never think. Took from job to. You kid? Solely pie. What? Hey, everyone at welcome back to the story pirates podcast where we take stories written by kid and turn them into sketch comedy and song. And we do it all on a flying pirate ship that just crashed into an enormous tree. And is now stuck in the giant branches. That's what the big crash was. I was downstairs in the medi spa floating in my sensory deprivation tank. You know, it's the only way I can really center myself and prepared to do. I live for the bow. Okay. Well, what was that? Whatever it is. I think it's getting closer to pick. It's coming from up above. Shit. I think it's the tree talking. Great tree. We mean, no harm. We just ridiculous who can train trees. Don't talk trees. Right. Of course tool. Kids square old. Look who never you are. We're stuck up in your tree. And we can't seem to get unstuck. Can you help us what why are simply cone? Okay. Leave me. No, leave me busy with more square. All things. Okay. Well, this is gave us nowhere. Hey, we're coming up to see you whatever you do do not come up with see me to come on. Let's climb. Up. Giant tree. How about we do a story listeners? This first story has a little bit of everything. Cats elephants dragons, evil rhinos kings camera women mailmen, you know, what I'm not going to list them all because there's a lot of them. Anyway, here's the kid author to introduce it. Hi, my name seven here. I live in Washington DC. And this is my story. I love. I love. Is this where Andrew the cat lives? That's me. Andrew the cat. Well, I'm in new mail carrier. So I just wanted to make sure I had you address right now. Let me just check my mail bag here looks like you've got no mail, no letters, no invitations, no cards. Andrew don't you have any friends? I don't see what the big deal is. Why is Evan friends? So important, I'm perfectly happy all by myself. Well makes my job easier. Goodbye, Andrew friends who needs them. Anyway, let's see what's on TV. Tonight's easy news. Wait a minute. There's an intruder breaking news bright. Neil. I'm currently being up to my microphone. Oh, so you're just going to take away megaphone. Okay. Got it. I'm gonna go color in Pia ten six. This is seen. Greetings, puny citizens of the kingdom keepers. I know I have pleased to spell on the kick must feel so powerful that he would practically need a new life just to. Joe new. People. Why are you? I'm you're very intimidating. Really? I am really scared right now. It's just. Give them the funny name. Know, you can't whom in the Kim. I know what you could do man carrier doing in my lips. Now will you in my last stuff for the day? And then you turned on TV, and I could see it right through the window millionaire. How it goes? Anyway, don't you have nine lies what with being a cat, and all you could give the king when he of nine lives, I suppose I could. But then I'd have to Gartside see people and talk to them suit yourself, but it seems to me like the almighty kings in trouble. And you're the only person the whole kingdom who can help. So you know, you could help or you could stay here with your no mail your call fine. Okay. I guess I'll help the king just gonna make my way to the Gasol, which is just past the forest forest. I think I lost. Let's see. Okay. If the sons over there and mosses growing on this side of the trees that I think north must be. Can I help you scared me you? My name is Elliott. I'm an elephant. Also, I'm the smartest animal in the world. While I'm Andrew the cat in. Sorry about that hairball. Yuck. Hey, you'll kind of loss. Meet anything known definitely now. Are you? Sure. Because it kind of like, you don't know where you're going. Well, I know where I'm going. Okay. I just don't know how to get there. I'm going to the castle to give the king one of my nine line very noble mission. Can I come with you? He knew it's really more of a solo mission. So just give me directions. That'd be great. I understand you just head up this path. And it's a right then a left then left, then right? They're left of the fork. Then give to the bear. He never has enough utensils. Maybe you should just come with me. All right. Let's go. Hey, we're question disturbed mail carrier ever stopped a hang out in your window and just like chat. I think I hear something. Look. Front away. Wait. No. I think she's crying excuse me is everything. Okay. Oh, yes. I'm okay. Thank you for asking this Ryan on him Gable? That's my brother to help them. And now I Mickey. Sake you through Brian. We're on our way to stop them. Now, you should come with us. Maybe we can help your brother to fest. Sidebar elliott. Are you really sure you would invite this dragon along with us? We don't know her could be anyone. She could be tricky and treacherous as a snake? Sorry snake? Didn't see there. No one does. Okay. Yes. Emily could be anyone. Everyone's anyone Andrew you just won't know until you meet them fine sidebar over. Hey, emily. Could you give us a right to claim on my back, and we'll fly right up to the castle. All right. Well, then I'll just use my cat claw to climate on top of you. Okay. Might turn out. Just jump on your back. Emily, are you okay? Mind. Let's just fine of a castle fastest possible. Okay. Here. League. Would have ever thought in Alabama could fly. I don't own TV. We're on top of the tallest tower in the castle look in that window. It's the king and he's in bed because of the spell out climb to the window. I'll go first. Andrew, I know that was easy for you. Because you're a cat, but this is a tiny tiny window. And I don't know if an elephant like me is gonna fit Nelly. Okay here. I go. I made it. Okay. Emily, your turn. All right better. Greece up. Does anyone have any better? All analii. Okay. Okay. I did leaks believing in me, okay? Now to save the king right here goes nothing. I'm gonna lick my little. And then touches forehead. One forty it went your highness. My name is Andrew the cat. You were put under a spell, and I just gave you one nine line with very brave of you and your two friends poker? I pay you actually have stuck to their have any friends are just some other animals, I met, and we're, you know, sharing experience, and I enjoy spending time with them, and I really care about them out minute. I guess are my friend. Your highness meet my new friends, Elliot L of and Allie. What's this? It's kimble. Now, then my brother James, I bet now who dares a weakened the king from his slumber and how he gave him one of my. Who are you? I am kibbles the rhino of the house. So I of his name the king. What's funny? Stories just if. So fast magic. You just hit me and James magic. And I feel different. I feel good everybody. James good. Good. I. Do believe that some rewards are in order, Emily. We all know that dragons breath to cook that food, for instance, pizza bet must be all stick. So here's a spill that will allow you to cook any. Trag daily, the here's the spell that will turn anything that is not living in peanuts. That's my favorite food. I looked nuts. Damn through forgiving me one nine and saving the kingdom. Here's a spill that will turn anything that is not a living thing into yawn. Me. Did you just to guess because? You know, I think I finally figured it out. Having friends is good because Fred's help each other. I'm glad I made all these new friends today. Boy, what a satisfying and area. Well, after you left, I didn't really have anything to do. And then he went on this adventure. I really wanted to see how it ended. You know, how it goes? But how did you make it all the way through the forest climb? All the way up the tallest tower of the whole castle in squeezer way through tiny tiny window. Neither snow. No rain though, heat. No tiny window stays this courier from the swift. Completion of his appointed rounds. Do you have any mayor for me? No. Oh, man. We're in the very top of the tree. Wow. It's nice up here. I think a squirrel is coming told. You not to come up and see me my goodness. Please look at new I was going to say. You know, you're like forty feet tall. Oh, he's big, squirrel. Chaste? Do you need to chill? The Nova, squirrel. The woes told his trade. Chill. Log screaming. Well, we really need you to come down and help us get our ship out of your branches couldn't pull Shebli. But why because just accidents ruin everything log always. And then you judge me you call me slow. Whoa. We would never judge. You calling names. We wouldn't call anyone names. That's bullying. I'll you don't understand being through. See would always young was enormous so squirrel who lives, you know, regular soy's tree. But then over time ago, huge I it was fun. Look at that peaks wheel. But then I'll just kept growing and soon became more log now look at that big square. Why should my own French talk to Mike fun of me for being the tallest squirrel in the world. So on his to come here to the world's biggest tree a never talked to anyone ever again. You know? I don't think they were really your friends if they made fun of you. Oh, right now, you tell me on never had free. That's what I'm saying. I just mean that good friends should love you unconditionally. And I know those good friends are out there waiting for you. That's the whole story though. What do you mean did think back things that you would never believe always just so big? And the tree was so small. A won't settle my own moment. Dang gasp neuro. Maybe may was just so awkward humiliating. That's why I came up here because about stuff. We don't think you're a monster. You don't of course, everyone makes mistakes one time I accidentally sat on a sandwich and kiss. What? Then I had a Panini. Look, why don't you come down and see our ship. We can have you all of our most prized possessions. And then you can help us get unstuck. Well, okay. What's the worst get up or destroy your house shit? That's the spirit. All right. Let's all climb down. Very nice Schick. Thanks, would you like some tea. Okay. Let me just take out might tiny. Porcelain tea says. That's okay. We only t. Look at these beautiful shares. I just handcrafted. Crofts manship Choi won't how oh no. I don't think that you should sit. Georgia's you won't chip on old the. Broke all the apologies opponent. That's okay. Actually, you'd be surprised by how many times this very thing has happened. Okay. Here's a diorama of my next production. See all the little furniture. Do. Take a look at my collection of tiny glass animals. My menagerie if tiny and precious to me how beautifully these and easily broken. Just as it would. Up to the tree. That means. We're stuck here. Forever. Okay. Right back. Grownups Lee, Hugh with your weekly announcements destroy pirates podcast is back with the brand new season with new episodes every week subscribed today. And if you don't mind leave us a rainy day review, you really for she ate at the new story. Pirates book is out now digging up danger is a spine tingling mystery based on the Niger from a real kid and written by New York Times bestselling author Jacqueline west best of all taking up danger features the mystery Chretien's, oh, a creative writing guide the kids can use to create their own great mysteries. It's great for reading at home or using in the classroom. You can get digging up danger in our first book stuck in the stone age right now wherever you buy books. Order it online or visit your local independent bookstore. Like our friends at Anderson's bookshop in Naperville, Illinois. You can also pick up a copy at one of our. Upcoming live events, including the Brody stage in Santa Monica, California on March thirtieth Westport, Connecticut on February twenty fourth and Austin, Texas on March thirty first and exciting news. We just added an extra show in Rockville Maryland on March seventeenth in Minneapolis, Minnesota on April twenty-seventh, we also have our biggest shows of the year coming up in New York City on March thirty first and Los Angeles on April seventh these special shows benefit the nonprofits story pirates change makers, which brings story pirates programs and shows to title on schools and shelters. 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Just try. We believe in you do. Of course, we do. We're your friends friends just met, you somehow believe you main this, okay? On a temp. This Brian's you so. Believe. Twice from the club's eve. We do a Flint. Okay. Now, you get free us from the tree reading. Three. Well, turns out always meeting comes your feet. Not. Thank you enough. Helping me see that. No problem time for me to rejoin society as a graceful elegant giant flying, squirrel Kupa high. Roy. Taxi. So still little clumsy. But he's. Of a. What? Well, should we do another story? Listeners this next story is about wizard school, but like not that wizard in school. There's a lot of them. Okay. Oh, and this also samples a classical music piece called Pokka bells kinen, which was written a really long time ago by guy named Johann bell. So if you liked the tune just ask a grownup to help you find the original here's the kid off their Jona to introduce his story. Hi, my name is Joanna I'm port keen, and I live in Utah. And this is my story the wizard who could just go. Who? Okay, jona. We got story. We got. Baroque beauty puck Obam and go. Once upon a time in the far away land there live the wizard who was doing the best. I spend my day swerving the wizards, but it was tragic because this wizard was so uncool. Like with pain dude with plight way of the wizards. Cooled tightened Loris in Fernie by your name is that really don't inspire me one. Of course, if the source of one the recruit Qesku when out Caskey was forced to. Powerful minus no matter which. Only. Because my Wanda. Goals. One a dragging came around. He fed. Golden on your home town is doubt bring on the wizards the night's rest. And you'll never gets my one week. They lined up. It was with Optum quiz. Mara in Fernie in the fire shoe. Herlin don't worry about him. He super laying they all try fail to fold the dragon ball. Even win early. Got his. The tracking. Can. Tim, what happened next was a curious thing. The dragons face change to from-from he was covering been collection. Trust. People don't win. And he would never. Will stands for and now in Colton Berman. Amen. Who can do? Gone. Was the wizar- could just go. Could go. Right. No more. Orland how? And now lease speaks with the author. Hey, it's great to talk to you. Yeah. Same Jona you live in Utah's. All right. Yeah. That's right. I live in Hebrew city. And if you've never heard about it don't worry because even people in Utah haven't heard about it you at the story the wizard who could just go poof. Yeah. How'd you come up with the idea for that? I I really love writing. I've been writing stories for a really long time. And I just kind of wanted to write a story about the wizard. The wizard is is Merlin in the story. And yeah, I really like the stories about Merlin. So I kinda decided to write the story of how he came to be kinda famous at the beginning story of the main characters name is erlin. I totally did not see it coming that. He'd be Merlin at the end. I feel like that was sort of the one stroke of genius on my part in the story. It was indeed. So when you were writing this story, did you have a specific audience in mind, I was really writing for my brothers has to my little brother's really like stories out magic and stuff. I've just always been attracted to something that can't be real in the real world. But it's always just really fun to imagine. That's a great example of what fantasy is right. Yeah. It's something that couldn't be real in our world. And actually that helps me get kinda through the scary parts. 'cause even when books have scary parts in fantasy. I know. Well, at least this can actually happen. You're like at least there isn't a giant spider the size of a house in real life. Yeah. And then there's always that little imagination part of me always saying or is there. Where are you right now? So I'm at my school because school ended like more over an hour ago. But I do a lot of filmmaking. It's the end of the semester. So I'm working on the semester finale. Oh, cool. What is what are you doing in the semester? Finale. I like wrote this scifi comedy. It's it's pretty dumb. But it's really funny. Some of my favorite things are pretty dumb. But really funny. Yeah. A lot of people thought it was kinda dumb. But I know a lot of people thought it was really funny. It can be like vulnerable to release something for a big group of people. Right. Oh, yeah. During my first video I was so nervous about how it would go over. But I kinda just now kinda just think whether I like it or not that. That's great advice or anyone who's creating anything. Right. Oh, yeah. Don't write for other people. Just right for yourself. A love that John. Thank you so much for talking to me today. And thank you for letting us perform your story. It's been my pleasure. Thank you. Bye. Bye. 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Peter mcnerney, Meghan O'neil and Lee over tree special guest. John. Today's episode features performances by Mike Cavanaugh on Dewey Cadel ear inn Christobal Chris bury Christina gross, peach. Brennan oak grading, Emily. You'll Kat mega Neil lead over treat. Peter mcnerney. Jack Mitchell, Chris Simpson Lauren Ashley Smith, Rachel ski and nominee wear the wizard who can just go poof was written by Dan foster and produced by Brennan O'Grady with direction by Jack Mitchell special. Thanks to Johann pocket bound. You know, a lot of people don't realize that pocket bills cannon that classical song. We just sampled for Jonas story actually has words. It's true. Most people don't know that so gear I'll show you. We'll just play the song. And then all sing along with the definitely real one hundred percent accurate words, which were for sure written by Johann Pocketbell sometime around the year, sixteen eighty okay here, we go hit it. Okay. Remember these are. See? Early parts were. Gloves. 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Extra: Ducks HC Mario Cristobal, Signing Day Recap & Bowl Picks ATS Part 1

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Extra: Ducks HC Mario Cristobal, Signing Day Recap & Bowl Picks ATS Part 1

"Welcome back to the latest edition of the audible presented. You did by trader. Joe's this is the audible. Extra Stu and I are taping this just a day after the early signing period and pretty much about eighty to the eighty five percent of the top recruits are already signed. Now as we're doing this in a few minutes we're going to be joined by our guest Mario Cristobal from Oregon. Who once once again for the second year in a row Got Arguably the nation's top recruit and certainly the best player in the state of California to commit in sign with the ducks and we'll talk to Mario in a couple of minutes with STU. Let's get some thoughts on your takeaways from signing doesn't feel like early signing day has kind of taken away a lot of the fun of it like when it was just that one day in February. I feel like all kinds of crazy stuff happens like did we see any announcements Wednesday. I mean first of all we didn't see hardly any announcements. 'cause most kids have already committed but we see any you know as Crow L. bringing his dog bringing a bulldog to the ceremony or Landon Collins Mom crying. Because he picked the wrong school like what it's just now it's just like all Who can have the most creative announcements on social media? Yeah I thought we I saw a couple of more more maybe grownup moments. It was Emmett Smith the legendary cowboys runner. Who went to Florida making berry a I think a poignant statement about his son who opted to sign with Stanford as opposed to picking the Florida hat and going his own path and I thought that was celebrated waited just from watching it when it happened it was really cool moment In terms of the different ways to announce your commitment more consumer bill who comes from Saint Thomas Aquinas as the prep powerhouse in Florida. He basically announced his decision to go to Lsu by putting on a purple bow tie which is a little bit of a different twist We did see Justin flow. Flo who who kind of touched a couple of hats before he picked up the Oregon hat. He's the Stud linebacker from southern California. But Yeah I agree agree with you. I think just because we really don't have a month of run-up of uninterrupted the You know we're coming off the award circle go coming off the conference. Play a conference title Games. There's just a lot of stuff that's going on in the middle of early the early signing period now What other stuff caught your eye from which saw yesterday so Clemson when we first talked about this back in the summer clemson is signing the number one class? which if you're if you're just going to casual college football observer he'd be like well of course Clemson should sign the number on class? They've one to three national titles but as we know This is the this is the first time they've had this kind of class. It's like all of a sudden they're recruiting rankings are starting to match their on field rankings and I even saw Where the rich get richer they pick up a commitment over the weekend from Trenton Simpson? He's number twenty nine player. Linebacker twenty nine player in the country from Charlotte and as a result they kinda ran out of room for Justin flow. Who is the top five player who Who is making the biggest announcement of signing day? Why one of the things? That's changed with them as they become more of a national program that I ran into woody mccorvey who's been dabbled right hand man in for a while a year ago at the combine and we talked about some of the Subtle changes but it wasn't just hey were recruiting in places. We can drive hi to now. They'd gone deep into into California Dj. Longer Leyla top quarterback recruit a lot of people thinking the country. He's from from Long Beach. They have recruited other kids from pretty far away. Certainly about some success in Miami It last year and so so I think that's that's changed somewhat for them But I don't think there was any real shockers I do WANNA bring this up to you and I saw you tweeted about it yesterday today. One of them were not worthy things that that happened early in the day. Was Tom Herman at a bad gaffe. he got caught basically thrown a double bird up up In the direction of the cameras and that made the rounds on social media yeah on Longhorn network and he had a apologize is for right out of the gate If you're a Texas fan obviously this has been a disappointing year after beating Georgia in the sugar bowl and then you sit there and have a five law season and then this happens. Look I think this happens a year ago and their plan and a sugar bowl I I'm I'm not I think probably Texas fans would give this more of a pass but it's not the first time Tom has had what I think. A lot of people would call very immature moment in the spotlight. What's your take on this as this is the kind of the latest thing where you just Kinda Roll your eyes at? Yeah I mean. I don't think Texas fans are offended by it all that much MHM Nestle even care about it but it is another you know like the drew lock mocking drew lock During that ball game a couple of years just seems like Tom. Herman's good for like one at least one one kind of Frat boy moment every year and you know how it is. If you're winning they'll defend just about anything and when you go seven five and have to fire both your coordinators year. Your Iraq wears thin so probably not something that he necessarily needs to happen on signing day. They signed a good class. I don't think it was considered in Alzheimer by any means I just think whether yesterday happened or not is not going to change sex fans opinions. They're ticked They went in the team win the wrong on direction this year same etlinger went the wrong direction You know they are not he. We became so used to mack Brown having having his pick of whoever he wanted in the state of Texas and signing a top five class every year again. Texas is doing well but they're not dominating like they used to incurred if anything they in Texas am kind of seems like they kind of Trade places or they're they're both ranked right around the same place every year. was there anything that surprised you from from Jumping in on it and Santa. And you're like WHOA. This is obviously a lot of people have made a big deal and I think rightly so of how low rank this USC classes. But I don't think it's shocking considering Clinton's been on the hot seat for basically the last two and a half years anything else though that kind of stood out to so you just kind of as you glance at it I mean the thing is even though like it didn't happen overnight. The idea that USC a program that has signed many the number one ranked classes or number two classes in the seventies ranked around. We're bowling green is is just nuts. And but what. But I'm also like what do you expect When when the coach nobody knows for full year whether the coaches actually most people assumed for a full year the coach wouldn't be coming back? WHO's GonNa commit to that school so no I think we're about to have Mario Cristobal on and talk about his class? It's a good class. I'm not gonNA knock it but in general I think you know. I'm a big believer lever as many. Are that if you want to win the National Championship. You've gotta sign top ten classes and the highest ranked PAC twelve class onto four seven Washington at number fourteen. Eighteen Oregon's number sixteen. It's just yet another example where the PAC twelve seems like. They're not playing in the same sport as the Clemson's and Alabama is in Ohio states dates and Lsu's there it's you don't have to sign one every year still you don't you have. This clemson at Clemson had classes. That were part of the nucleus of that team last here that we're not top ten classes. I mean I'll say this. Obviously we're going to have Mario on does not like I'm saying this for his benefit but they a if you look at the talent of mass now on the defensive side of the ball I think it matches up with anybody I mean I really do Now how do they have four years of this. No they don't but in terms of that just on paper I mean I think they can play with anybody at this point. I know they got to replace a bunch of offensive lime in a really good quarterback but I think there are places where Grad transfers come in and can fill in gaps. And certainly things like that. I mean I think they're a team to really keep an eye on at this point blow Oregon for one is definitely trending in the right direction. And Mario has brought That Alabama like recruiting mentality and. They were a top ten class last year. And I think the stat is that all but one national champion this Century has averaged a top. Ten o'clock top ten in recruiting in the in the four years leading up to it. So if you can do that. You're you're right in the mix with with those programs but I don't know when when you look at those rankings it just kind of looks a lot like the CFP RANKINGS THE AP rankings. Often look these days in terms of the pack twelve being on the outside looking the and one other one. I wanted to bring up noteworthy one. I thought Mike Loxley was hired at Maryland's and some people are like. Why are you hiring? The Guy who had that abysmal run as New Mexico's head coaching while he's a great recruiter. He's able to keep kids at home. I mean. was that the most notable flip of the day maybe on On sighing day they got for Jarrett receiver from Washington. DC Five Star receiver had been committed to Lsu flips to marijuana Arowana because of that Maryland ended up almost in the top twenty five number six class in the big ten. That's what he was hired to do. Yeah I look. He's he's gotten some big players over the years is a big addition. I think it's important that it's local because look there's a lot of really good players that ended up go that ended leaving that that DMV area to go the other places. So I think it helps. I mean it's it's a good sign. They're going to have to have a lot more than just than just this one though certainly to get some momentum after you know very up and down debut season there Let's wrap up in quickly. Get into some of the bowl pigs because obviously there's there's a lot of them. Why don't we just hit on a few of the early ones that are going to happen before next podcast? Yeah so bowl. Season Starts Friday with the Bahamas Bowl. Oh that would be will. Healy bringing charlatans first ever bowl game up against Buffalo Nothing against Charlotte and the great season they had. But I'm not sure they're quite there yet. buffalo's been winning urine. And you're out recently I went buffalo the Buffalo six and a half point favorite. I have them covering a buffalo thirty one. twenty-one are you serious I haven't even looked at your pick. You have thirty one twenty one. What do you have a third one? That's so bizarre. We don't have the same store. Lsu Alabama game but Buffalo Charlotte. Yeah so I my rationale and this is really landslide polled. WHO's the head coach at at Buffalo? He wants six division three national titles. I I think the extensive experience at that staff has I think that will help them in the postseason here. I do think they're pretty talented relative to this get matchup. So that's it's my rationale by chance in the FRISCO BOWL THE OF UTAH state winning by seventeen bigger than that enjoyed. Love is GonNa play his last game before turning pro now fifty two twenty four Utah. State Arts of the spread is only seven I HAVE UTAH. Oh stay winning. Thirty four seventeen Jordan. Love had a terrific season in two thousand eighteen. Coaching change happened really up and down year. He's leaving early for the. NFL TALL draft. I think he will be the best player on the field and we'll make end with a flourish there. So I like the aggies to to roll Let me just make a quick disclaimer slash observation. Picking ballgames is much more of a throwing darts exercise than in the regular season. You often see results. That would have no seem like they are like not even remotely connected during the season and so is Utah. I HAVE NO IDEA IF UTAH state's Goin- Fifty to twenty four But is the kind of score you sometimes see in bowl season. Sometimes it's. It's you know a team that was You didn't expect to win. Not only wins but wins by twenty eighty five or thirty or something like that so And that's definitely true with those group of five games where let's be honest. Neither of US has watched these teams extensively the season. And were. We're we're kinda guessing Let's skip over to the Actually a pretty good matchup the Boca Raton Bowl. You got a ten win. SMU team against a ten win F A ut Grad Fau has lost their coach lane. Kiffin who you got I have some. You're running away with this thirty five seventeen seventeen. I think when you have a coaching transition it is very significant. especially at a place like that so I got the mustangs you had a really good year. Under Sonny dykes finishing shing off with a flourish. I've got SMU Forty eight twenty seven. I might not have picked blow. Alec discipline was still there. I just wonder between losing their coach and playing a quote unquote ballgame in their home field. How much fau is going to be? dialed in for this one Let's wrap up with the the the probably now. I think we both agree. This is the best ball game of opening weekend. Las Vegas Bowl Boise state against Washington. Little surprised Washington is a three and a half point favorites neighbor even after it Kinda disappointing. Seven and five season in Boise State is the twelve and one malice champ. But obviously it's also this will be a notable game and that is Chris Petersen's last game he's stepping down and of course he's facing his former team would he have I Washington acton winning twenty two fourteen. I think there's a ton of overlap here. Between Staffs Boise Est.. Obviously play at a really good history in bowl games a remember a couple years ago. They just whipped upped Oregon from the PAC twelve. But I don't see Washington losing on Chris Petersen's last game. I think they will find a way to win. And I think this I think this is a pretty talent Washington team. They've been pretty up and down but I like them winning like I said twenty two fourteen to cover again pretty similar Pre Pre similar and all these picks. I've got Washington. Chinks in twenty six twenty one. I'm sure we'RE GONNA be hearing now. No we're not giving boise state the proper respect. I think they're a good team. In fact this was the first crazy believe it or not I team since they joined the Mountain West in twenty eleven actually go undefeated in mountain west play. And that's despite losing their first. Two quarterbacks are down to Jalen Henderson. The third stringer. So maybe I'm wrong I think both of us are counting on Washington basically playing to its potential for once. I also think it's important game for Jacob beason. You know who has a decision to make here whether to come out or not. I think a lot of people so expect that he will put some people think he could really benefit from going back for another year. He had a good season. He could probably do even better. So if this is in fact fact last game he's GonNa put on tape before for the NFL scouts. He would definitely Definitely benefit for having a big game against the see top twenty boise state team all right. Let's get to our interviewed now. We're pleased to be joined by our guest. Today he is Mario Cristobal Christobal coming off a hot twelve title and also once again. His class made a big splash on signing day. Especially going into California California getting the best player in guy. A lot of people think he's the best linebacker out of the west coast in over a decade that's just in flow And joining us as Mario Cristobal Maria. Thanks for coming on the audible today. Appreciate you guys have me all right. So let's let's start with with with Justin flow. You also get Noah's will a lot of people think is probably the those are the two best linebackers in this whole recruiting class. You added to a defense last year. You got cave onto. But oh the top D. Lineman in that recruiting class. I mean you obviously played and coached at Miami Huron Nick Sabin staff at Alabama around a lot of lot of teams. What do you think you built now in terms of the it's just the personnel on defense as it relates to having a real shot to be a team that can win a national title? Well you know. It's been a huge goal from from the beginning to ourselves as a physically imposing team at all levels. Making sure at the line of scrimmage could not get back in control that line of scrimmage making shuttle Linebacker Linebacker knockback tacklers guys complain space but could dump it up inside and guys on the back end. That are very versatile to play man coverage press and off and also I on enough to to play nickel to play center fuel in. Play off the Hashes and we felt That we really kind of got the final pieces to be able to do that with our defense and especially the rights of Avalos and coach Hayward and then You know Salvia and Wilson Dante Williams. I mean I felt like those pieces came in a place. And saying what about the offense of side so just really pleased with the progress of the program but also knowing that what we want to get to we gotta keep foot on the gas. I'm curious when you recruit kids now. I mean. Obviously this is your program now. It's a much different Oregon program than it was Under chip Kelly Marquel Alfred generally tagger. But are these kids. who were you know? Seventeen eighteen years old lake. Do they deserve awareness of Oregon. Go back to those teen like do they think of organ to they still think of the Michael James and Marcus Mariota or is this mostly about which you've established there In your in your first couple the years oh I think they all remember those days. I mean that's not too far back. Nine Oregon's playing in a title four years ago five years ago And so they know all those guys they played with him on the. You know those computer games a lot of these guys who are members of the IEP ducks when they were coming up in southern California. So that's wrong and I think they also see So many great players come in this way and so many of these players are having incident packed. You know it's It's like the player development that we Success we're having with Clare Development shows on shows up on Game Day and In so many different ways you know we're in the coliseum him and all of a sudden McKell rights taken kickoff. Back one hundred yards for a touchdown you know. We're in the in the championship game and may soon cave on typically orders Rican havoc the opponents quarterback and living in the backfield. So again it could examples go on and on and on so I think it's a testament to both things history and also talk. Let me read something to you this from my colleague Matt Liner. I was the heisman trophy winning quarterback. USC This is what he tweeted not long. After the Justin flow announcement Oregon is the new. USC In recruiting on the West Coast back in my day. No one dared to recruit so cal. Now it's open season and Oregon against hunting exclamation point all right. You mentioned a couple of those kids who are southern California kids were already were already having success in the beginnings of their career. They're there no one and I would argue has benefited more from USC. Being down the Oregon ducks so you come in here. You guys talk to these kids you talk to. Their parents should talk to their coaches What is the dynamic like for for what you're able to sell but also Maybe divide you get from kids as it relates to being open to feeling like. Hey I grew up as USC fan. But I wanna go somewhere else now. Well I I mean first and foremost tremendous amount of respect for for Matt and certainly USC program as well as I think the the High School coaching in California the West Coast and then of course we spent so much time in southern California. I think that's the league coach. That's going on there and the population itself. Just it's GonNa dictate the fact that there's GonNa they're going to be great players I mean by the truckload down there so we've invested heavily in there and you know a lot of those guys they they wanna that'd be at a place that's completely. I mean utterly and completely devoted an invest in the student athletes. That's far enough away from home so we're going away for for your college. Today's but close enough to hop on a quick slider. Just drive back home and be able to spend time around family and that's what that's being provided for them and now you know in our second a year we've been here now two years together All that is validated with a conference championship. You know a A rose bowl berth and really close to even reach higher levels in short amount of time. So I think all those things combined with the fact that I our players truly love being here like they the amount of time that they spend together the activities is and professional development opportunities. We provide for them has created a place in the culture that we believe is second none so the players themselves sell it to their former teammates. It's back home and it just seems now I think we if I'm not mistaken we'll have fifty lawyers from California on our roster by the end of By the end of this recruiting cycle. which is it's just kind of you know selling itself will you guys are certainly getting your share of the top players in California If you look at the list you know this is the the two four seven seven list of the top recruits. I mean not a lot of other PAC twelve teams necessarily having that success right. Now you look and you see the Alabama logo the Clemson logo the Georgia logo the Ohio State logo In much has been made obviously the the PAC twelve missing the playoffs several years in a row What is the conference? After due to kind of get back to the days as when kids in California wanted to wanted to stay west. Not necessarily you know. Go across the country to feel like they've got a shot at contending. Well I think we're providing that for them you know. I think it starts with what you bring in. What's your administration doing? I mean to me. Look at the the financials right a beach institution and when you look at Oregon Oregon's wanted out of water in terms of facilities resources investment of the student athlete and then the administration and again. It's you know what I mean when you're when you're eighty serves as a chair of the CFPB committee right it Kinda. It speaks volumes of the level of professionalism. Awesome that's in the building and the commitment to it so Vignette coaching staff and a regiment that really brings a blueprint that has been proven over long periods of time and again a lot of it of course we took from Alabama's and during the real you know the old days at Miami back in the eighties and nineties under Jimmy Johnson and Dennis Erickson. And and you bring all these awesome coaches and they bring in this these this caliber of athletes. Here all of a sudden you're you're scratching your knock on the door of the College Football playoff in win your conference with a young football team. I think that right there is speaking volumes of the direction of it. And that's what's going to help us and in turn the conference take the next step up and becoming a more prominent fixture in the top ten top five teams in the country. You're in you're out having coached in the in the south in the deep South and basically on top OPPA college football In the past there's been a lot of people who said look there's just not enough big people on the West Coast and they point to that as a reason why by the PAC twelve has really struggled. What do you make of that about as if there's just not enough players on the West Coast to produce a national national championship caliber team? I disagree with that I disagree completely. No it's been done before and you know we feel like we're we're we're progressing towards a goal of being You know in that conversation. You're in an ear out and you know if if for whatever if it's down near in your area will you gotta go find them wherever they're at right right. I mean I You know I coach and all these conferences and I feel like we came out this way and all of a sudden you know the outland trophy winner comes from the University of Oregon. Right Right Joe more finalists. Is You know you know. LSU won today. Congratulations to them But we're again are often to line was in that that final title four well. So that blueprint is being you know has become a reality out here and I look a lot of teams down south becoming more spread light and open satish right. I mean it's starting to get more athletes on the field. Spread it out and come bless you know knock you back Mash. Up at the line of scrimmage and so forth so I think this is moving west in a hurry. I think some of the happenings of yesterday's signing date shows that in terms of what we're doing so I mean this thing that the college the football landscape is changing. I believe in our favor and we're going to keep pressing and keeping our foot on the gas until we achieve the level that we're trying to get to having said that the house. How much more difficult would that be if USC was still kind of running at the level maybe it was under the P carroll days where USC was the team that a lot of people looked at us like the powerhouse on the West Coast? It's clearly not been that is not a knock on Clay Hill. It's not but it's that's a reality now. I mean can you have both of those Going or obviously it's made it easier for you to do this but like is it possible to have both if USC is operating operating as a top five program. Well I I just think that. That's a you know a great pro a story program. So I think recruiting I think every year. It's difficult difficult. And I. I remember being at going and it's hard to get players and then I remember being Alabama going man. It's hard to get players so it's every single year signing day and Eddie approaches. You find yourself saying man it. It still is hard. It's so difficult because it's got to be one of the most competitive industries in the country. Right I mean in the NFL NFL. You sit back and your draft there. That's those are the rules in college. Football you gotta go out and you got to you know prove yourself and recruiting and bring home the right calibre caliber of human being sued athletes. So I don't I really don't judge programs and and were some people might perceive they are they. Are I think all these programs TMZ are excellent. I think they all have great things to sell our. We have a very Strict policy with our guys. We don't negative recruit and and we tell our I asked someone negative recruits against you. Don't complain about it. Don't make a big deal about it. Just continue to sell your program and just go to work and I think because of that I think again the I I think. It's just gonNA keep progressing but I don't. I don't see anything being helped or hurt by you. Know the status of any program. Well we want to even though this was a signing heavy interview we want before you go we want to ask you about the Rose Bowl Obviously huge matchup against Wisconsin -sconsin first of all I have you coached in a row before I have never ever coach or mentor Rose Bowl so like the excitement over here is through the roof. It's like one of gratitude one of hey we earned this thing. What an opportunity? These seniors went four and eight. You know the year that we got here the previous year they had gone for ornate. And these guys is I mean. Come on man in and you know who sent me. It's our our regiment in our structures demanding. Now it's about as subtle as a body body slam right now. This is the you have to buy into a yet to work at it and they did all of a sudden they're going to the Rose Bowl and But the goal has to be more than just getting their on our guys understand that and and to achieve our goal rather we gotta be at our best because Wisconsin is an excellent football team. That is very talented very disappointed. Very tough so sue. The excitement around here is crazy. Right now I mean first of all you're GONNA get the chills the first time you walk out on that field and see the the the freshly painted endzone Oregon and It's just there's nothing like it In terms of Wisconsin. I mean like you said at the beginning of this interview. Your our whole goal there is to turn it into a program. People think of as as physical As tough Wisconsin has been a poster for that now for a couple of decades You know what do you like about this matchup. Well I love the fact that in our opinion it's the ultimate test because they're big. They're physical they're long. They're arranging rangy disciplined. They get downhill. They knock you back on both lines of scrimmage they play with unbelievable technique and fundamentals. They all have to come off ball with flat Max. They get at their hands inside. They get their feet on the ground They're relentless in terms of their way to try to bring pressure up quarterback. Try to isolate your backs and bring those legal linebackers. I should've been Yay gaps cross. What's and Mike and Plugs. You know they try to really just knocked back. Your backs beat him up. Protections Zone droppers getting throws. Take take away the quick game And offensively they. It's not that they match you up. It's that they knock you off the ball to extremely powerful and athletic. Obviously they run the ball like very few people have this past decade that big Titan athletic as well they present problems with their play act surpasses threats field with it. It's I could go on and on that I'm sitting here on two shots a few and coffee and and going through all my wife film and all my notes off just rattling off stuff for you know. This is a great challenge and a great opportunity and we have to be at our very best we look forward to that game It does it seems long ways away still to me but maybe not if you're the one preparing for it. Maybe it feels like it's fast approaching And congratulations obviously on another great recruiting class. Guys I appreciate. We're we're blessed to have these guys. I mean we're we're like just chomping at the bit to get them. All campus. Thirteen guys will be on campus early. which is a great number Take Part in the Supreme Ball in the fourth quarter program winter conditioning. So we're looking forward to continuing to elevate the standard they just lastly. How big is no assume Seoul? Actually we know his brother's massive. How big is he? He is a massive guy. He's just I think he's at six three. I know he's been measured six two six two plus STU hunter under sixty pounds and just I remember coaching him at all polly campaign. You talk when he was a sophomore and they break out into groups and then into teams and you get to run plays against each other and he's like a walk at quarterback. I don't want to do this. I WANNA do this. I'm like so. They put them at walkout port quarterback in the run quarterback power and this dominated its plus two and they've got a safety in the box extra. They got the backside linebacker. Plus Dover Noah takes. The ball follows his guard guard with no hurdles. The Mike Linebacker I mean like just launch themselves at two hundred sixty pounds and doesn't break stride land and just went for twenty five yards touchdown. It's like all right. They recruit him to now. You know spectacular SPEC. I've never seen a guy like him. I think I think we have by far the best linebacker class in the country. 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"The Tom would show episode fifteen hundred sixty six prepared a set fire to the index card of allowable opinion your daily dose of Liberty Education Nations starts here. The Tom would show get ready for contract. Crews twenty twenty. This is the fifth crews economists Bob Murphy and I have have hosted together and it is always a blast and this year will be no different. Scott Horton and Dave Smith are joining us as special guests. Can you imagine region spending a week having a blast with these guys on board a beautiful ship with a bunch of like minded folks. It's going to be fantastic. Check it out at contract. CRUISE DOT COM. I'm Tom Woods here. Are we're talking about Donald Trump today on jeff diced week. Jeff remember is president of the measles institute which you can check out measles dot org M. I. E. S. Dot Org I highly recommend and former chief of staff to Ron Paul's matter of fact the very last chief of staff to Ron Paul. We're talking about Donald Trump today because why not pretty big topic. Jeff Welcome back. Thanks time it is great to talk to you again. All right we're talking about Donald Trump. Today say you might as well got to say something about him and I have not talked that much about it. I'm looking in my list of episodes. I have not talked that much about him and some people have been upset about that that I should be criticizing him more. But then I look back and I didn't talk about Obama either because I I mean a topic that I mean. It's it's idiosyncratic. It's called the Tom would show whatever interest me and I generally just something everybody's talking about that. It just bores me like everybody's talking about obamacare. I don't talk about you know I would have perfunctory episodes on obamacare. But I just hated every minute so I don't know why that is but when when he did the Afghanistan strike. I had Scott Horton on and we you know. We've been critical of him on foreign policy from time to time. But I I don't know I I just WanNa talk about what he means what he stands for what he represents really because in a way he's almost not bright enough have to fully appreciate what he represents. I mean he's he almost SORTA gets it but not fully really so that kind of interests me because I'm just interested in the world world of ideas I'm not interested in his daily peccadilloes. That's just doesn't I don't know it doesn't do anything for me. But the the trump phenomenon the the fact that the electorate went for a guy. Hi Everybody told them not to go for now. That is interesting to me that that actually is interesting to me but when I look over his record okay there's definitely some stuff on the economy. It is pretty good but the some other stuff on the economy that's hopeless and it really is the case it's not just a a dopey libertarian. -Tarian take on it to say that he really really has confusion about trade he does. That's a fact he really does have confusion about trade and when it comes to the Fed. He's confused or he wants interest rates even lower and so we have all that stuff. We have the the appointments. My Gosh I mean yeah. We cheered because he got rid of John Bolton because he hired John Bull you know what is what is the problem why would you. Why would you Mike Pompeii? Why would you care so little for your professed ideas that you wouldn't even look into who the natural people you should appoint to help? Carry them out would be and so and now with what's going on in Iraq and Iran and he's he's just got done say had this big long series of tweets. We gotta get out of these wars and this and that and now now who knows what the future holds. I don't know what do you say about it. What do what do you say about him? Jeff diced by the way by the way at the same time and I'm just setting the stage for our conversation at the same time I do think it is a problem when people portray him as a unique evil in American. has there even even some libertarians. Who for heaven's sake unless they no history whatsoever should be ashamed of themselves for falling into that particular trap? This is the opportunity for Libertarians. is to point out. Look it's the whole Rashim. That's the problem. I was telling people this during the Obama Years I was telling tea party. People this that listened. Repeat after me if if the successor of Barack Obama who happens to be a Republican winds up doing the same things this guy did. I will also be upset at those. You know I did that. Exercise pracise with some tea party groups to say that. I'm sick and tired of you telling me this is a unique evil and then you turn around and there's another party doing the same thing and suddenly you're standing ending up saluting like we should be talking about. The whole regime is not like well. If only we get rid of trump then things would be a lot better. Because we have the American establishment back in the saddle again in Heaven knows we need Henry Kissinger and Joe Lieberman and John Kerry and the ghost of John McCain. We need those people in charge because they've really done such a good job offers. How could a libertarian? Think that I just don't I don't understand. I understand how you could say. I don't like trump at all. I don't understand how you could say he's as a uniquely wicked person really. Do you know anything about Woodrow Wilson do you know anything about. FDR D- You're thinking about Harry. Truman I mean on and on and on it's ridiculous and when you point this out you get accused of goods water boat. Is You always bring up water. Bonus award about if you're well. Yeah Yeah that's what you have to do when you have a bunch of people who have occupied the same office you have to compare them and if you're going to tell me that this guy is the worst one ever or is it some kind of unique evil then. Yeah I have to say if you're GONNA use the word unique. You better look that up in the dictionary because for for all trump's faults. He's not Woodrow Wilson. He's not FDR so don't aw I just can't get over Libertarians. Who are they're just so thirsting for mainstream respectability? They want to raise their hands in the back of the classic. I'm also against trump. Everybody Hey Mr New York Times reporter surged you see. I'm against trump. Oh come on. Are we reduced to this. We are Tom. We are absolutely yeah we are. It was a rhetorical question. The thing about trump is he may have got around the ban last week with this strike on Iranian general in Iraq. I if this leads to an escalation of things with Iran in an actual war with Iran then of course everything is going to be very very different in our assessment of him that that will be absolutely holy totally unforgivable and especially given what we already know about our endless entanglements in Iraq and Afghanistan and where they've led to and Iran is not Iraq Afghanistan. Iran is something like eighty million people. It has a real army doesn't have much of a navy and airforce but it has a real army me and so this is. This is no joke there are. US interests and soldiers up and down the Persian Gulf that that Iran could touch. So this is no joke. It's an unfolding situation -Tuation and of course One in which he might have horribly bungled despite having gotten rid of a Bolton I mean it's just It's hard to fathom but I think here's here's my take on trump first of all I think he is a man who is uniquely susceptible to flattery. I think he likes listening to praise. And if people around him are able to skillfully manipulate that. He can probably be talked into things because he has sort of a fighter's instinct. He likes to punch and counterpunch but he doesn't have much in the way of ideological moorings. And why would he. I mean what in his past would make you think that and I I'll play armchair psychologist for a second. He he is old enough. Certainly his father was old enough to come from an era. Where you know Manhattan was really different from the rest of New York City Manhattan night sort of looked down on the other boroughs and so I think his father and then trump himself have craved respectability from the Manhattan establishment as he came up through the ranks or they came up through the ranks in real estate development and that they would never really be accepted they would always be outsiders in what at least in trump's father's day was still sort of an old money System in New York and so I think that may have affected him growing up. This sort of Need to Brag and to inflate himself and and to win at everything and to lack any sense of grace Which I forget which is the big one in Penn and teller? Oh my gosh. I can't recall recall. Oh pinhead yes the big one. He was on trump's reality. Show the apprentice and I saw a segment with it might have been on the Joe Rogan. Sure somewhere we're else where he basically said you know when you're around trump in person off camera this is a really joyless man he. He apparently doesn't laugh he just doesn't have the ability laugh unless there's some sort of mocking derisive laugh at it. You know like laughing at someone in a nasty way and pan also said he doesn't listen to music now. This is not a guy hi who would turn on some music you know and enjoy so. He's a very strange cat and really really different. So but I mean there's been plenty of strange cats in the Oval Office. So I mean Richard Nixon was was a very strange cat in many ways. But you know when I think about trump I like to go back. I think this was something. I Argued on the CONTOUR TAKUJI couple years ago. Imagine Donald Trump didn't exist and imagine it was towards the end of Barack Obama's term and you went to the Democrats you went to the left and said look guys after Obama. I got some bad news for you. The next president is not going to be Hillary Clinton or Joe by whatever the next president is going to be Republican. I'm sorry but I have a Christobal and I'm telling you the next president's Republican but good news it's not some red state governor like the you know the affirmation by Kakabira Huckabee or whatever. It's not actually a sophisticated New York City developer and not only. Is it a sophisticated New York City developer developer guy who has had a series of trophy wives and has a really beautiful and stylish and Sheikh away from Eastern Europe. WHO SPEAKS WCHS A bunch of different languages in the course of this hypothetical person's career they have been in and around New York circles their whole life? They're quite a wealthy person. Allegedly I Julia billionaire. We don't know that this person has very comfortable with his rub shoulders with all kinds of folks from different walks of life. Gay Lesbian folks. Jewish folks black folks is well regarded in in in the African American community is actually lauded by people like Al Sharpton. This person is not animated by social issues like abortion abortion or prayer that this person is absolutely not a Christian conservative in any way. This person actually is quite favorable towards unions and and advocates trade protectionism and some of our listeners might recall it back in the dark ages before trump Repub Democrats like tariffs. So if if you put all that in a blender and said look okay if that's the next president and it has to be Republican. Gee that sounds like a Republican. We'd take so all of this hysteria over. Trump is all about tone and style. It's not about substance you know as you said he's not a unique evil he's no more or less fascist than some of his more immediate predecessors like Obama and W I mean this idea that fascism is just some generic term we use as for anything we don't like fascism means first and foremost authoritarian ruler Second a melding of corporate and state power third third a suspension or dilution of liberties. You know suppressions of crass putting people in jail that sort of thing you know these are the basic elements of fascism. And if you look at it that way is trump more or less fascist. You know okay. I don't know I think I think this was the left's reaction to Hillary not winning. I mean they're in other words. There are things that are just very difficult for people to overcome psychologically We all have this in so in our personal lives when when you know certain memories or certain things in our past difficult we we have a psychological coping mechanism whereby we create a narrative on our head. That explains it in a way that we can live with better. That makes us more at ease with an uncomfortable situation. I think that's basically what happened when Hillary didn't win. So many people's worldviews about this sort of arc Ark of progressive social democracy. That was just unstoppable and that was inevitable when that didn't happen of course. Brexit was a precursor to this. By by the way. When it didn't happen people had to come up with the reason for this and the reasons are you know? America's this deeply retrograde and racist country trump colluded with with the Russians to have one hundred fifty thousand dollars for the facebook ads and dummy. America's actually change their votes. Because if that's true by the way if this facebook ad by thing thing is true. That's a strong argument against democratic voting. If people are that week that they look in a facebook ad. My God So I think the I think these were psychological coping mechanisms ECHINACEA to deal with the fact. That trump won and it was from a libertarian perspective. It was never about trump. It was never about his policies so-called old it was never about his cabinets or who point or any of that stuff. It was about the simple fact that that many people were willing to go off the reservation sixty Z.. Seventy million people and vote for this unknown in the face of what seemed to be just an absolute lock by Hillary Clinton so look the guy kneecapped the Bush and Clinton crime families in one election. He sent Jeb Bush away looking like some sort of dragged Puppy Dog Ugh. I mean this is a big deal. This is a big deal. I'm not sure America goes back to how it was before and social media plays a role. This is not just trump. Shouldn't Libertarians. Look at that at least back in two thousand sixteen when it happened with some degree of optimism. And say wait a minute that many people could sort of shift gears. Then there's some hope in that and I think that's true I think that's still true Go back to nineteen ninety-two. Ross Perot Third Party candidate okay. Ross Perot got nineteen million votes people. Forget about that that was about twenty percent of the voting electorate he got nineteen million votes and then in the next election everyone just went back to the ours medes. Nothing changed so what we have to understand. Is Trump one as a third party. A third party candidate won and Libertarians. Take no cheer or heart from this. I mean that's crazy. A third party candidate one. This is a guy who had no friends within the GOP establishment. He he spent something like a third of what Hillary Clinton spent so forget. Forget campaign finance before trump winning absolutely blew all arguments threw that out the door for anybody who brings up says every ever again federal in the federal context is just a moron He had no ground game he had no. GOP The precinct chairs none of that state by state precinct by precinct you know ground game that Jeb Bush would have had her Mitt Romney hat or whatever and he still one I mean he basically ones that third party now I understand. He had an our next to his name which brings a certain cohort of. Just you know more onic automatons. John's vote for you. I understand that that gives you ballot access very easily. I you know I get that. But but in essence Tom he won his third party candidate. And so you got to look at that as a lot of people are really fed up and so that can go in a bad scary nationalist-fascist director that could go in a good direction action for liberty. But if you can't even acknowledge you gotta say Oh my Gosh. Trump is trump is so much worse than hurry a lot of libertarians not only prefer would have preferred hillary to trump. I think a lot a lot of DC Libertarians in particular would much prefer the sort of technocratic left center elite person to trump. I think a lot of them would prefer Hillary to Tehran. Paul I mean honestly so it was really something and some days. I honestly still can't believe you one. I mean I still wake up and see what this guy is tweeting. I think Oh my God. So I'm old enough to have grown up in a world. Where Walter Mondale such and this was just unthinkable? So I think but I think twenty five five-year-old's just think this is how it is. And so what does this mean for liberty going forward. I think more than anything I hope. It means that there are some cracks in the foundation of USA Gemini and US Foreign Policy Because neoconservatives going to be the death of us. It's going to be the death of US overseas. We're going to create enemies to the end of time. And it's going to be the death of US domestically because we're GONNA add one trillion one point five trillion trillion every year. Until you know good luck in your security so I've always thought that if that Fiscal Conservative not George W Bush if he had got the American people back in Oh one oh two when. He was making the case. Ace to basically reignite his father's war against Saddam Hussein if he had said look we all agree. We gotTA fight over there so we don't fight him over here we have you no Saddam Hussein had yellowcake uranium. He was harboring terrorists. He has weapons of mass destruction. Clearly we have to go get rid of Saddam Hussein. We're all all in agreement right that this is the right thing to do. And because I'm a conservative we're GONNA pay as we go and every household is going to be assessed an additional five hundred dollars per month you have to send in until Saddam's out of there can you there. The Iraq war would never have happened it would have been at absolute on started. But that's not of course how we fund of Foreign Wars and so I really hope that if nothing else trump means that. There's a some glimmers of hope on the foreign policy side things which affects so much at home all right. Let's say quick break. Come right back if you're like me you're going into twenty twenty thinking about all the stuff you didn't get to twenty nineteen nineteen and you're real genuine goals for the new year will if you WANNA work toward being your best self in two thousand twenty and understand the world around you. In addition to listening to the Tom would would show. And you WanNa make sure your time is well spent than blinking is for you. Blink assist for anybody who cares about learning but doesn't have a lot of time. 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You can join the twelve million people already enjoying blinking today with a special offer just for our audience go to blink dot com slash woods to start your free seven-day trial and get twenty five percent off a blinking premium membership. That's blinking. I spelled spelled B. L. I. N. K. I S. T. blinking dot com slash woods to get twenty five percents off and a seven day. Free trial blinking dot com slash is woods. Jeff I seem to recall you saying something along the lines of and and you know what maybe it wasn't you but somebody said it. Let's talk about that when you think back to. How trump campaign? He focused on three or four issues. It was trade it was immigration and you know one or two other the thing that political correctness or whatever but if you ask him about something like farm policy he give you an answer but that wasn't what he was stumping around talking about. He's just stayed focused on his main core issues. And so at least whether you liked him. You didn't like you knew what he was about. He's about these things. So it's it's kind of like when Howard stern ran for governor of New York. It was three things it was bring back the death penalty. It was Do the I think it was headed with the tolls and it was do road work at night night so as not to cause so much. Traffic is that was it. I mean he had no ambition to remake your life or to to get himself into every nook and cranny of site he had a few basic things so everybody knew where he stood. And I'm pretty sure I've heard you say that. If a libertarian were really to make serious go with the presidency that that should be the model. Not Trying to give the libertarian policy. Report answer on every single thing under the sun but try and pick three or four things that are deeply unpopular unpopular in the country. And just hammer away at them now. First of all am I remembering this correctly. And secondly if you could advise such a person what would you have them hammer home. Well Rob Paul did that He hammered home a couple of things. Get Out of the Middle East. Just repeat that until the cows come home and you you some graphs you some charts USA math to show that we're not going to be able to pay entitlements much longer if we keep maintain this level of deficit spending that at some in point all the debt were massing is going to make our foreign buyers of US Treasury debt very nervous and they're going to start demanding junk bond interest rates which we can't pay and so I I think you just talk about get out of the Middle East. Asian natural constituency are basically the whole country outside of Washington. DC and as few suburbs in northern northern Virginia and Maryland wants to get us out of the Middle East. I mean everyone is sick of it. The people in the in the reserves. So you've got a huge natural constituency for or a repeated hardcore message about getting out of the Middle East and and you have a smaller but nonetheless extant constituency for and end the Fed and Ron said this time and time again and I know some libertarians ago. That's no one cares about that. Nobody understands but yeah well. That's true most people. Well don't understand the Fed as a matter of fact cry. Most economists don't understand the fanfare. Most monetary economists barely understand anything about actual fed mechanics. So it's no crime but you know there's nothing wrong with being populist when the underlying message happens to be right and getting rid of the Fed is the right message from a libertarian perspective. So while people don't understand it they do smell a rat. They do sense that something's amiss that the Federal Reserve System creates creates sort of an undeserving class of rich people who are in and around Wall Street. Who are a little closer to the money? SPIGOT which is all true by the way and so so it's a you know a great populace message so I think whoever is a candidate whether that's Tulsi or Jacob Corner or whoever by B B O. I would be out there talking about Warren in peace and getting rid of this Central Banking System which works to the benefit of a tiny wealthy Portion of society while making all kinds of mischief and phony entitlement spending and war spending possible so in it's the great enabler of everything bad congress does so You know those would be my big populist issues and maybe there's others maybe I'm wrong but I'll tell you what keeping it simple. There's something wrong with that couple shows. Yeah we mentioned Nigel. Hi Joe Farraj just talked about Brexit. You know and within the scope of Brexit if you were for Brexit. That's all he cared about. He didn't he didn't say oh but by the way conservative so we got to reduce pensions or he didn't say oh you know. We gotTA reforming the National Health Service in Britain and by the way in doing so. We're going to have because a bunch of doctors you know he didn't. He didn't wander into any other areas of politics where he might find people disagree with him. So it's a bit of an apples and oranges comparison because you as a parliamentary system with minor parties but at this point if trump won I mean look if trump one anybody can win. You know dwayne Johnson. The Rock might be the next president. Tulsi might be the next president. I don't know but You know there's there's a constituency for peace debt straddles. These two intractable parties and. That's that's where I think. We kicked the door down. And if you WANNA call that America I if you WANNA call it isolationism I. I don't care you know like Scott. Horton says talk. Talk to the right from the right talk to left from left. So it's it's Interesting Times but you know people don't want a smooth talking Pete tag technocratic approach you know. I don't think that's what's going to carry the day in two thousand twenty so let's just hope that whoever does carry the day is at least influenced influenced somewhat by antiwar efforts. Whether those be libertarian or otherwise do you think after trump whether the after trump comes in two thousand twenty or twenty twenty four. The Republican Party just goes back to Romney McCain. Can they do that. Is that what they're going to try to do. WHO has has trump? You're right. He had a lot of success outside the official precincts of the Republican Party. But if he wants to leave a lasting imprint on that party he's gotta gotTa dig his nails deep into those official precincts and I don't know if he's done that or not. So do you have any instinct about that. What happens after trump? Do they act like this. This was just an aberration. We act like it never happened while they certainly can. I think the GOP is done nationally. I think within five or ten years Texas access and Florida are permanent blue. So you know you're not going to be able to win national elections when New York California Texas and Florida are all blew. It doesn't really matter what Ohio or Pennsylvania Selena do at that point so I think the GOP is done very soon nationally. And I think that if they were a better gop if they were if they had more instincts of the old right which you and I admire they would focus on being a state and local party and you know see what. They could do that way but they won't do that. Because there's too much of a gravy train within conservatism. Tim Inc within all these people like Mitt Romney so they can't help themselves. I mean you know. They're not going to change their stripes at this point so I think it's a permanent minority already parties soon. And that's another thing you know for which we owe some data gratitude to trump. I mean He. He put the final knife in the back of the GOP. And maybe hastened their demise is and you know people say well Jeff. That's bad because the Democrats are gonNA vote more left. Yeah I get that. But what's going to happen is that they'll be reliant. I mean there will be a left and right wing of the Democratic Party and those are I mean the right wing of the Democratic Party today. I what's that Joe Biden. I don't know is scarcely discernible for my perspective from Mitt Romney or whatever. I don't care What what do I care if conservatives Republicans just sort of reform themselves in one and ended the Democratic Party and so you have a more right? Democratic Party wins elections in Iowa of the Democratic Party. Wins in California I. That's that's not something the thing I get particularly exercised over but you know. The Republican Party deserves to die. Let's face it. They they screwed the Pooch and they gave up their birthright they have no claim whatsoever to any mantle of limited government or constitutionalism or judiciousness dishes. snus or God or anything. I mean this is just an you know an absolute farce of a party and if they had spent you know all that that money that's poured into supposedly pro-life candidates who are mostly gop over the last three decades. If all that money these clowns I mean if all that money had just gone into actually actually helping young girls in trouble could you imagine you. You can have huge hospitals delivery hospitals for a fraction. The money people who who I probably spent on pro-life politics or by the way for for that matter obviously influencing young minds is one of the most significant things you can do because by the time you get to a certain age you tend to be set in your ways so if Magin just think of all the money that was spent on conservative politics. That was wasted raced did that. I mean the conservative well. How many victories do they have? They have almost none to point to what if one one thousandth of that money had been poured into creating K.. Hey through twelve homeschool curriculum. Like the Ron Paul Quick. It never occurred to any of them to do that instead. They'd rather blow the money on whatever political consultants but this practically would've major lives better and yet they can't help themselves well. It's true and over the years. They never bought a major studio. They kind of bought Fox News News but they never really. They just don't affect culture in any meaningful way and they have some outpost Hillsdale which is still funded by by conservative donors along with tuition but this is a party that has lost its way and doesn't have anything to appeal L. D. Young people I mean the Democrats are really evil? Don't get me wrong. They they are not well intentioned. That's another terrible thing about dopey libertarians. Is they sort of buy into this idea that the right is evil. The left is just misguided. That's nonsense what. What about the history of the twentieth century makes you think the left is simply we misguided but well intentioned he come on but nonetheless the left can at least offer some things to young people? And that's why I think young mm people are are moving left. And that's that's a failure of libertarianism. There's no question about it. We failed in the sense that a lot of young people are feel feel hopeless. They feel like they don't have much of a future. They feel like simple things. Homeownership marriage children might be beyond them financially and as a result you know people who don't feel like they have much skin in the game as much to lose are more likely to vote for radical left policies or support with him. So that's that's where we ought to be. We ought to be in their offering the the radical alternative to that because the GOP is off in a corner somewhere bumping into things. I mean they're. They're not in the picture. As far as I'm concerned I more or less. See things the way you do. And I don't know there is still part of me even after it's like I'm an abuse victim victim. You get abused and you make excuses for your abuser Well you know the abuser really loves me you know. It's just a funny way of showing that kind of thing. There is still a part of me that thinks yeah. The Republicans are terrible. And I've spent years and years doing nothing but denouncing them but you know at least the Democrats can't stand the sight of me. That's the difference you know also at least these people maybe hold them back a little. While while normal civil society tries to reassert itself. I mean I I don't know but whether whether that's true or not I think what you're saying is probably correct about the fate of the Republican Party and it's interesting that it comes about as a result of demographics because the Republican Party you whether it's libertarian or not could have tried to stop that and instead cheered it and now it means does not going to be any more public just a very weird sus very weird thing. Thank you know that you would actively do something that in the in your heart of hearts you know means you're doomed and yet you still do it. It's just a just a weird thing to me. The idea that. There's a libertarian. Turn wing of the. GOP is mostly disabused by the fact that they had a couple of chances. They had three chances to vote for either rand. Paul and Republican primaries in some surly states in in eight and twelve and sixteen. And they didn't I mean that's just a fact so I don't carry any water for Republicans have never been won and and at this point if they're not useful opposition to the Left's march through the twentieth century. Then I'd rather rather just get it over with and come up with something new. Well let's see what in fact they wind up coming up with Tom. Woods dot com slash fifteen. Sixty six is the show notes page. I do have a related episode. That I'M GONNA post there that I did years ago with Roger. McCaffrey trump and the political consultant. These are people who you have to pay them. Five figures a month and they're going to tell you what to do and say and whatever and the trump phenomenon kind of blows that up a bit because he didn't and do a lot of those things and yet he succeeded so maybe there was a bubble in that particular Industry so that's an interesting related episodes. Listen to linked to. Tom Was dot Tom. Such fifteen sixty six. Jeff we'll see more for one last episode. 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Hour 4: 11/6/19

"The Paul Finebaum show podcast is presented by capital one. Where you can open up a savings account in about five minutes in earn five times the national average? This is banking thanking reimagined. What's in your Wallet Capital One? NA member FDIC cried passion than pattern tree of college football football leaves here on the Paul Finebaum show our four podcast. Welcome back. Glad you're here. Mario Cristobal joining us in this hour in always enjoy talking to one of the bright coaches in the country. His Oregon team certainly has founded founded way back into contention. We talked to him right before the Auburn game. Which of course we all know the ducks lost on the final possession? Let's get back to the calls and booker. It is in New Jersey Booker. Nice to college. Good afternoon thanks for taking my call. Paul thank you In referenced. I guess I shouldn't be Guy John who called or retied Medicine I'm not going to get into the allergy But that's a choice was happening with the students there. Something as children Leah what they learned hiring and I guess I'll get the not. The president is going to be there in some places called a customer in chief so the students won't hear anything they haven't been hearing before first of all booker Nobody said anything yet. I think this is just a a warning to be on your best behavior and by the way I don't I don't want anything to happen. I want I mean because I care about that university in in that state and the one thing I don't want is for and by the way I'm not I'm not making a manifesto here on the media but all it takes. This is one person to say something or a couple of people to say something that is heard and becomes a big deal but on the the other hand I there was one person If you ask me who the university should have asked to make a statement and do you know who that person is listening. The person that I would have suggested to make an appeal is the head football coach at Alabama. Don't threaten anyone. Even though they have about student tickets leaving early I would have just simply said listen. We have a lot going on this weekend. I would never have mentioned the president. I am imploring our students to to behave because the whole world is watching and I think that would have accomplished the mission and if if in the president wanted to see a game there's one closer to talk about saving takes pills medical staff at Minnesota to undefeated teams. Yeah well listen I look let me say this. If you're the president of the United States I don't want to act like I know. Donald Trump I've met him a few times but he is an avid sports fan. And it's too cold to play golf in Washington. He's probably thinking you know what I want to be. There is a lot of friends in Alabama Specific there's a person that I know that I'll probably sitting his box. He's a supporter of mine. they've got a pretty hot Senate race what's going on next year that I will be involved with and someone I don't particularly care for is going to run and more than anything anything I just wanted to be where the action is the president went to a UFC fight last Saturday night. I'd you're right right in medical school garden in now. Yeah India I hope is about football if he's an avid sports fan. I don't remember him ever going to the game. It's old Franklin field is eat. At penn.. quakers play Corneille. Hey glad you called Booker And again I think we've probably said more about the president we need to but we were reacting and I think I don't speak eight for everyone I speak for myself but but I do hope people go to the game to watch the football game. That's what it's all about about your plenty of political events you can go to and pretty much every state in the country. Let's check out kyle. Who is up next? Hey Kyle vomiting in search of you're doing well thank you very much. Hey I I was gone. You buy the dogs and I know that you know I'm an optimist. I know that we still have to get through Missouri even have a chance at the SEC championship but that'd be inset with what you've seen from our offense but in particular I know Mr Defense has actually been Been Pretty strong here. But look what you've seen from our offense and Co scully's offense. Do you believe that we have enough strength to get through an Alabama emmer. Lsu Kyle. I do I think off which is what we're talking about in the SEC. Championship game I think it could happen. I Yeah I think Auburn is more problematic right now absolutely absolutely we still got a lot of football left to play really do. Yeah but but I I kind of blindly bought into Kirby after the South Carolina game and I felt pretty good Saturday because I just. Nobody's what he's all about and sometimes For whatever reason like all football teams they seem to lose a little bit of focus and I think they founded back In in a major thank you very very much for the call. Let's continue James is James is in Texas. Hey James James there I did not hear James How about Austin in Denver Denver Austin go right ahead ahead? You're on the air. They will on Paul. We've talked for taking my call. You yes sir. Can Two part question if you've got On love besides the big match Bama Fan besides to burrow what are you sleeping in the biggest match up and outside of your Your Your Keno Game. This week I think it's the Alabama Secondary Can it hold up and I also think There's another aspect of this game that I haven't heard anyone talk about that. I as an Alabama. If you're an Alabama fan. You might be a little concerned about. It's a special teams teams I remember I remember now hopefully and You know the place kicking has been a problem problem for awhile and it wasn't supposed to be but the injury occurred a couple of weeks ago and in a game like this and I know everybody thinks it will be thirty five to thirty four Shootout but you're not both know how important that is yeah. I agree with you. And obviously the secondary they've left hated on if terrell loosens up then gets a pass rush which helps the secretary out and you know I appreciate that nothing special paint job That doesn't come to a point as much as soon as I did. Watch the rankings. Last night and as a memo famous doesn't keep up with everything trying to understand the strength of scheduling and resume. I mean and it's safe to say that the season Alabama's strength of schedule and resume with just about anybody else's but it's backloaded and you you know you can't help teams lose. SEC put down in the rankings and looking good on paper yeah you know what you God sends me through the roof often when we get to. SOS is his when we start making a big deal about playing the twenty second ranked team in the country country. And I just I think when you're picking the playoff it should be. It should be about and I realize you have to do it for all the different I mean the the the the committee helps dictate a lot of bowl games There's a New Year six games and all that as well but I think we ought a key on strength of schedule in a way you know. How do you look against teams that you may face in the play offs? Not someone going to the Music City bowl I know I. I'm just as a fan. I'm still trying to understand what strength the schedule is in resume at Oregon. Two Games about two three three weeks ago. They've got the Touched on both but other sitting at seven on a team like Texas and it was played top tens. You know about every other week and they're around in. Let's say you answer. Smu into where and the SEC schedule. Would they be sitting at twenty four now so just a couple of questions I had. I appreciate it. Who finished here shots my little brother? And he's a big Fan of yours and Tom Golden. Always McCall Austin thank you very much in the the best to him and really great to hear from you. A lot of calls coming up. We'll try to race through them as quickly as we can. Cowboy is up next cowboy. Hey Paul how are you doing today. Well thank you for the call. Oh yeah well thanks. Thanks for letting me come in and I don't know if you remember a lot but I feel real grateful when I talk to you go. It's always great to hear from you. Thank you very much. Yeah to me Like to me. I've been watching shows on and and up to above course. Oh I think you already can't college football and I'll listen you. I think you're right now. The Mood for Alabama where he's been last year by was talking about him but there's been much talk. What was your take on the offense? Both you think it'd be a no big games. Tend to tighten people up a little bit. I think both teams are going to try to get out Quickly they can but once the machinations of the game start I think this game. We'll we'll be a much higher number than than the last time around and eleven but but I don't see this game going into the forties. I really don't everyone wants. I heard you a moment ago. Talking about special teams and Yes well we have a problem there and I hope it gets better but what do you think you're taking you so you think this will step up. The young guys would be okay and Do I listen. I mean both coaches have gotten to this point in the season season by letting Letting the ball fly but this is a different situation and I I just had I have to see it to believe it. I have to see if both coaches and I'll talk about them. Collectively are willing to go for broke and a situation like because when when they know how punishing mistakes will be hanging. Well we'll go. We'll take a break. We have plenty of time to break this thing down especially Friday when we are in Tuscaloosa. More more to come after this. You're listening to Paul Finebaum. Show podcast. We welcome back. Glad you're with us. Let's go to South Carolina next and talk to cat. Daddy Eddie no business lag college football business like no business. I know each weekend. They go away you who well. That'll be number one and number two if those all and breaking news from Tallahassee. We're their target. Was Not five Bob Bob Florida state. He won the lottery and decided to quit. I liked that show. David I tell you what that committee maybe last night on this occasion I thought myself I said I wonder how many clips mankind call in today but if you look at it it's just simple. LSU LSU's lose. Oh Alabama got lose. Ohio Cena pinned them to lose. That are going to be right back in no matter what they don't blame nobody but nc you stay what's the NC state done you nothing exactly my point. But here's something that bothered me Clemson's come on the liquor store today. And he was telling me he watches your show. He's heard mail there. He said you member Finebaum said we would be Notre Dame. They don't school but three porch. Watch then we were GONNA lose. Alabama could still players and look what happened in that game and made the point Kinda stuck in my head a little bit to find a bomb. What you think about that? That's an interesting analysis Canada. I always great to hear from you Jimmy in Chicago on this Wednesday night Jimmy Hey Paul with this big game coming up. I think it's no worthy to mention that on this very day. One hundred fifty years. It goes the first college. Football game was play rupture I remember. Well I covered it. Yeah I thought you might have more. He had any recollections collections or anything I was young. I was twenty five at the time so forgive me if I can't remember why I know you're able to keep up with the score score probably because I think it was six to four so and we didn't have much more scoring and that and that and the two thousand eleven game but I think we'll be getting a lot more with a This coming Saturday so and Yeah I doubt I'll see you but I will be at Bryant Denny and I can't imagine that will be anything but as you know with the president. They're all that I was thinking. Oh Man I could just enjoy the game. I'm just wondering you know when they. They announced kind of the specific. If they're going to you know give the the fans any tips on it you know when they need to be there as yeah Jimmy. Listen I have heard from people at the White House that he is going to come in very late for security the reasons With the intent with the hope that everyone is already in the stadium. That's probably the best route to get him there as opposed to have him show up for a leisurely twelve thirty arrival and have lunch. I I'm willing to bet if everything goes according to plan. He gets there pretty close to halftime pretty close to or the beginning of the game. I do not think you'll stay to the end There's there's almost no way you remember. He lost at Halftime of the National Championship game game and I suspect you'll leave around the same time at this game Yeah Yeah I was watching that documentary of the famous Texas Arkansas game and sixty nine which essentially decided the national championship in Fayetteville. Nixon came in on a helicopter and the second quarter and he stayed to not only got till the end of the game but he made an appearance of both locker rooms. Yeah no you're right But you know back then. Security wasn't really a as I mean any presidential visit was a big deal but but nowadays as Any even without the president. It's still it's still a security nightmare getting into a game like this. Yeah no doubt about it but Yeah this is starting to You know really exciting here. Because now we're starting to whittle things down you know you're going to have You you know Penn State Minnesota to you know a smaller stent a lot of doubters about Minnesota. So we'll see if they can Cause any trouble and then you're going to have Ohio State Penn stay pretty soon and then Georgia governor and Bam Auburn and are also we're we're starting to wind down on so I guess talking seasons about the end and we're gonNA find out Who who are the real players who are? You're absolutely right great to have you on. Let's continue more phone calls here trays in Knoxville hatred. Welcome to the show. Hey Paul thanks for taking my call. Listen a couple of things on this playoff deal I I know. They have a finality goal to talk for. The end of the year now is to create interest for the next four or five weeks. And that's one of the say in front of Clinton you know 'cause all these teams are going to play so I think and I agree with a lot of people that are call. Oh and listen. This stuff's GonNa work out but some of this is for TV and to build this momentum as you said. Get the people in New York. People in the streets of New York talking about college football all it to kind of build that Crescendo. So they're playing with the TV stuff but The other thing about the Alabama Game I. I think it was GONNA try to run the ball in Alabama I think everybody's thinking forty to fifty and all these points and everything and it could turn out that way because of the athletes involved. Oh but I'm not so convinced. LSU'S NOT GONNA try to run the ball to pick up some yards and navy control the clock against Alabama which as an Alabama fan weeks. They all in the past. You may be right Listen don't ever forget what this is about. You said Ed there are five five of these reveal shows. ESPN and the CFP our partners. This is great programming. People Watch. I've I've been on these shows and you're talking about last night. A couple million people because of the basketball game on an average a million and a half people watching that we're trying to do is to create a buzz toward the end of the season and lead into the playoffs. Where we're where the audience is go from You know maybe five or six million on a Saturday watching a game to twenty five or thirty five million so yeah. There's a method to the madness and and last night's rankings. Don't mean one thing and that's why I was trying to caution colleagues today. Don't don't lose your cool over it even though some did did. But it's okay. I mean listen we all care about the sport very much we're passionate and this is what we get. I'm an WHO's never losing. His is cool about anything he's next. Hey Paul did after he. You Know Paul. When I make decisions I kinda give the benefit of the doubt and when I opened that door for me to give the benefit of the doubt? I tend everything that I'm dealing with in front of me. I give it the same benefit of the doubt across the board do you. Okay did that last night with the teams where they selected him. I don't I don't think the committee really by the way there were two point. Seven million people watching the the the show last night. That's that's an enormous audience for for football on Tuesday night right then. Of course they had the basketball games. which well that was? That was the reason why you had such a big audience you know. I wish they would do that. In football they used to Kinda GonNa do it with the kickoff classics back in the in the eighties. Right in that period and you just put the two of the better teams upfront. That finished finished and you play him. I wish they'd do that with football. And it doesn't matter what happens at the end of the year you know. Create that excitement at first year and You you know Paul Speaking on this conversation about kids being escorted from games if they if they do anything have you known DONALD TRUMP to go. Oh anywhere that he didn't did. He did not make it political. Did he have. Did he ever say listen. Make it political. Let me say this Most presidents Usually have a political Tanner when they go someplace. We but I mean the the issues in the country today. That are such that everything is political. I mean we are in a presidential year we are. We are fifty two weeks away Last last night is is a year from last. Night is the presidential election so he can't go anywhere without it being political whether he intends for it to be or not. But but I will tell you as a nonpartisan. I don't think he's going to Tuscaloosa To be political for this reason the state of Alabama is is the number one one state in the union that that is in the Donald Trump camp. He doesn't need to go there He's GonNa win. He's going to win the state of Alabama anyway in going because Donald Trump is a sports fan and he craves events. Like this. And I know that because I've in many many years ago as you've heard me say I had a long conversation with him about sports. The Guy knows a lot about the about sports. I was talking to the Stephen a Smith the earlier and he told me that I mean he's run into Donald Trump on the streets of New York and he calls them over at a knicks game at a Yankees game and and they go at it for twenty minutes like like About about the Yankees are or the Knicks worth. The giants should do and I and I and I get all that because we've heard you say those stories and other people as well but it's it's it's when he does take those shots. He is so degrading to two other people that he creates those moments themselves. Because we can and I don't know yeah I mean I mean this is not I mean he is the most unusual person to ever sit in Because because he's not a politician he is unfiltered he is. He does a good work he does a a a a living critique of the world and of his presidency in real time. No one's ever done that before Mario Cristobal. Who's done a lot at Oregon trying trying to get into the College Football playoff? They were in the first playoff for the championship fourteen. They'll try and get back. We're coming back with him after this. You're listening to the Paul Finebaum show podcast. Hello everybody you're looking live Abbott. Fans bill a college football utopia with the rivers flow with ice cold. Dr Pepper with the air smells fresh cut grass artificial turf and smoked meats with a radio only plays marching bands and being able to read the defense. This is more important than being able to read. 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But you and your staff and your team have done a remarkable job coming back Good afternoon I'm really interested in that when you when you lose a game like that Auburn A lot of people wanted to write you off. How did you how did how did you stay the course and bring the team back to where your now ranked Very high in the in the in the College Football playoff rankings and have a legitimate shot at winning the PAC twelve and perhaps making the playoffs. I think it was really meet when we We got here almost two years ago. Now we we brought a blueprint over which you're familiar with. You know what we use down there in Tuscaloosa as it relates to the offseason strength and conditioning conditioning practice regimen development and You know we knew it was going to have a very powerful impact and you know going into that first game. I think everyone you want to know. How do we match up from physicality standpoint and even though we didn't win the game I think a lot of the things that we've been working on really showed up that we we could truly hang physically with some of the bigger stronger teams in the country and in that locker room that night that the sense of our players? was you know we were upset. We weren't happy with the result but we couldn't help but acknowledge that we could be a really good football team so it was all systems. Go full throttle and So far you know each we've been WanNa know since then we gotta keep that We got to keep that going. I know we make we in the media I should say coach makes so much out of the rankings. He's but I'm I'm sure you're you and your team were at least paying attention last night because many of the talking heads. I'll put my hand over my face as I include myself in that group referred to where would oregon come in so when you saw your name at the number seven physician What did it mean? Well I mean we're so like ultra focus on what we do. I know that sounds like generic and Play coach we truly are like you know Paul last year and our first here. We learned some pretty tough lessons. After having some success we didn't handle success real well and so two to a man in this organization everyone involved it was. We had made the decision that we're focusing on being one or no as it relates the next meeting eating or the next practice because we just don't do real well when we start looking ahead and skip steps so that's what it's been. I mean it's an honor to be acknowledged but I mean the entire focused focuses on taking care of our business. I mean none of this means anything unless you take care of Your Business I think that I know you understand. I think sometimes fans just get caught up in in the in the big picture but but I know the season's not over yet you've got quite a few really important games including one at the end of the regular season reason that that means a lot to the folks out there and certainly one that you're hoping to get in In terms of the actual championship game but it but it does seem like take This has been a long ride back but Things are now at least back in a reasonable shape. What would not that? You're not that you have to do anything other coach but I am interested in in your view of of the League. You play in which Some people were dismissive of but now we're we're taking a pretty hard second. Look as is IT I. It has acquitted itself of a lot of the criticism. Yeah I think what what I've seen out here. Is that the way. That recruiting is taking a huge Mr Trump and the caliber coach. And that's coming to the conference. This is a really competitive league and there's a lot of parody And it's getting stronger and it's getting better and I think it's shown shown up a lot this season And I think it's a lot of there's a lot of young teams out here as well so I think what you're seeing our young teams that are going to be real good over the course of the next two or three years. And there's a lot of investment right now in the trenches getting bigger stronger more powerful offense and defense of Linemen. which is you know you you see it every year right? That's going to be the ultimate difference in in November and December. So I think all those things are gonNA are gonNA validate our league more and more as we get deeper into the season and go and going into the common years coach all off the subject of the field I am interested in your thoughts on something that transpired this week. You you're you've been a head coach. Before the Oregon an experience you went out there and worked under coach Taggart. And I think everyone knows He left Oregon to go to. FSU was let go this week. I know you're busy and it's hard to pay a lot of attention to what's going on thousands of miles away but but I am interested in. I'm sure a lot of people are interested in your reaction. The way that went down. You know again like you said I'm so entrenched and buried in my work that I really don't get to to see or hear all the things surrounding The the things that pop up at this time of year But certainly great for the coach Tag for bringing me here and made sure that immediately to send him my support you know my thoughts to him and his family but I guess in the end it is the nature of the business. I mean your coaches are never really surprised are they. When one of their colleagues or friends friends or former Bosses lose their job. Well I'll tell you what this is the finest and the most rewarding profession in the world and it is the absolute craziest business ever created. It is fast moving. It is It is difficult. It's challenging. It is thankless at times. But I wouldn't read out. There's nothing I would rather do than be completely immersed in this on a daily basis so it just got to deal with the way. Hey this thing rolls. And a lot of things make the makes this thing the edge and flows very Just you know distinct and powerful because you're dealing with eighteen to twenty two year old guys that are that are really working hard in school and on the field and it's hard to predict sometimes which way this thing goes I know you're coming off of a gauntlet. And what an incredible couple of weeks it's been with wins over Washington Washington State and said incredible game at the Coliseum. The other night. So you have this weekend off Will you consume football or or do you just want to get away from it all out completely football man. We hear the great practices. I mean we. We've you know you know the blueprint. It's it's almost identical. I mean we've really challenged our guys and we've kept the competitive drills just going and strong develop more guys a lot of positions and you know this the redshirt rule guys coming off injury or guys that haven't played yet. I mean we're finding roles for these guys we could plan. But Oh yeah I will. I mean besides being on the road and recruiting I will take every possible second of football and It's come on man. I'm well I was I was trying to. I was trying to find a very general way of asking whether you'll be watching your old boss take on. Lsu Saturday afternoon. Oh I'll be watching for sure. I mean there's a lot of players. I recruit a lot of those guys I know and I stay in touch with him and uncertainly wish them the best and coach they've in in And those guys and you know what coach or room was actually our graduate assistant coach. When I was a player at Miami so I know both sides really well and I mean that's going to be a great very college football game and man I I don't have much else fall man? I look maybe all season. I'll get you here. We'll go fishing but it's football not the man. I'm watching ball all day. Well I wanNA pass on this. I talked to someone inside that building where you once worked for a couple of years. And they told me that they have never seen Anyone better with recruits with people than you. I mean you won. You're considered The elite number one recruiter in the country one year. While you're in Tuscaloosa I. I'm curious I'm not asking you to comment on that. But but what what do you think makes a great recruiter which you certainly are well. I to me I. I like the judge about how I saw. My nephew get recruited this past season. You know you gotta start with honesty. It's gotTa start with being real a high level of expertise a super high level care factor In doing things the right way you know my old man was he was awesome. I mean they may rest in peace but you know I'm on I was born in okay and I. I live in Oregon. This is my home and this is I love it. I wouldn't trade this for anything in the world and you know before you know just growing up and making moves in life. He always tell me you know what all these funny lines that. Divide states and cities and counties and all that that none of that means anything hard work integrity. Doing it the right way being real being honest transcends all those lines never changed that and I think that's what makes jake I mean only good recruiters could make some good people and I think people are good recruiters coach. Congratulations on the success. I know there's some pretty important orden games remaining but but mostly thank you so much for making time. We always love having you on all the best. Okay appreciate you having me man have a good one. You gotTA coach. Mario Christobal WHO's

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S6: March Mysteries: Bermuda Triangle Pt. 1

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S6: March Mysteries: Bermuda Triangle Pt. 1

"In December of Nineteen forty-five five planes on a routine training mission. Exercise never made it back to their fort. Lauderdale naval base three rescue planes were sent to look for them only to came back. This is the Bermuda Triangle. A patch of ocean between Florida. Puerto Rico and Bermuda. If you enjoy these episodes you should check out the unexplained mysteries podcast every Thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. Follow unexplained mysteries free on spotify or wherever? You listen to podcasts On the afternoon of December Fifth Nineteen forty-five at two ten PM. Five planes took off on a routine training mission from the Fort Lauderdale Naval Base tenant. Charles Taylor was the commander on board the lead plane. Everyone else was a student. The plan was to fly fifty six miles due east to conduct practice bombing missions. The flying conditions were ideal. Taylor knew the route and flew it before. The planes should have been back at four PM but at five pm it became clear that something was wrong. The planes were not where they were supposed to be in his last radio. Transmission Taylor said his. Compasses were useless. They were spinning around like crazy by six. Pm All the planes signals had vanished from the basis radar fearing the worst the naval base dispatch three more planes for a search and rescue mission. This would prove to be disastrous for one of the rescue. Planes would explode in mid air killing everyone onboard when it was all over these unanswered questions would haunt everyone at the naval base where the planes gone. How had they simply disappeared? No one knew it yet. But a single miscalculation took them into an area of open ocean where ships and planes were known to vanish the Bermuda Triangle in life. There's so much we don't know but in this podcast we don't take. We don't no for an answer every week. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. Welcome to unexplained mysteries. I'm your host Richard and I'm your host molly. You can listen to previous episodes of unexplained mysteries as well as all of our casts other shows. Wherever you listen to podcasts. A new episode comes out every Thursday. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram at podcast on twitter at podcast network and at PODCAST DOT com. Some of. You have been asking us how you can help. Support the show. Well if you enjoy the podcast the best way to support `as is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening. This week will be investigating the Bermuda Triangle. It's a triangular section of ocean spanning the area between Miami Puerto Rico and Bermuda. You wouldn't think simple triangle could be so menacing or frightening. Well you'd be wrong over the years. The Bermuda triangle has developed a treacherous reputation. Ships are swallowed up. Experienced PILOTS LOSE THEIR WAY. Compasses go haywire planes vanish mid flight. Never to be heard from again but people still travel through the triangle. They have to triangle occupies well traffic air and shipping routes. There's no way around it in. Today's episode will look at terrifying and inexplicable mysteries that originated within the triangle. Next week we'll delve into the possible explanations behind the triangle and try to conclude whether there's an explanation that make sense or if the triangle is really cursed our story begins in fourteen ninety two it had been a long months at Sea. The navigators face was already worn with stress. He rubbed his. Sleepless is dark circles underneath his compass which he desperately needed to safely continue. The journey was spinning like crazy. The compass could not settle on what direction was north. It's needle twitched. Like a panicky dying animal the navigator checked with the man at the wheel and they both went to their captain. Christabel Cologne with the bad news. Cologne groaned. He'd been hoping to keep the information about the compass from his skittish crew. Their nerves were frayed enough from the three month voyage into unknown territory. Cologne had I noticed the compass skipping earlier in September the ship had multiple. Compasses all of their needles. Twitching back and forth at I chucked it up to a fluke but as the ships continued their journey east. The problem got worse. The compass needle started moving faster. In some cases a needle never landed on North. It just kept spinning Cologne. Realized he'd have to use his is an instinct to navigate the rest of the way and then on September fifteenth fourteen. Ninety two something even stranger happened. According to the ship surviving logs. The sailor saw strange fiery light in the Sky. A circular shape rising up out of the Ocean. A good omen or something darker and more ominous. They ship was the Santa Maria and Christobal. Colom is better known by his English name. Christopher Columbus the Santa Maria and it's two sister ships as everyone knows arrived in the new world intact with the massive success of Columbus's voyage. Most people forgot about the skipping compass and the strange lights in the sky but what his crew didn't know was that on September fifteenth while the fiery light lit up the sky and the compasses were going Haywire. The Santa Maria and it's two sister ships. Were only three days voyage away from San Salvador. This place them directly in the area that would later be known as the Bermuda Triangle. Columbus couldn't have known it but from then on many navigators who traveled through the Triangle would find their compass spinning wildly. Just like his head. Although Columbus had noted the strange shape that rose out of the sky and his captain's logs he quickly moved on to more important things leaving the question. What was that strange shape? A very early encounter with a UFO. Could Columbus have had a close encounter in the Bermuda Triangle? There's no official definition for the Bermuda. Triangles boundaries. Also called the Devil's triangle but most people who study the triangle you. Some generally accepted borders trace two straight lines from the southern tip of Florida one northeast to Bermuda and the other southeast to Puerto Rico. The Open Ocean between makes your triangle. Strange events happen there. Storms spring up out of nowhere ships disappear without a trace after Columbus and his crew. Strange encounter the Bermuda Triangle would go quiet for the next three hundred and forty eight years as far as we know it was not until eighteen. Forty that the next agreed upon Bermuda Triangle incident would strike. But this wouldn't just be a compass going crazy or mysterious lights at C. I. Ship would set sail but never arrive and an entire crew would vanish in the spring of eighteen forty the French vessel. Rosalie left the port city of Hamburg Germany. Sailing along a common route they would take the Elbe River all the way to the North Sea then across the Atlantic Ocean to Havana it. Carried valuable cargo to trade including wine dried fruits and silks. It also had several animals on board canaries chickens ducks and one cat. The captain had sailed this route before and the crew were experienced. Nothing was heard from the Rosalie for three months. This was normal for ships at the time. No one had any reason to worry but then came a letter from the Bahamas dated August twenty seventh eighteen forty the London Times printed an article as soon as they received the letter on November. Sixth the sailors of another ship the El in Austin had discovered the Rosalie intact floating in the Sargasso Sea. But the rose elise entire crew including the captain had vanished even more strange the animals on the Rosalie were still on board. Though the canaries had nearly starved to death. The hull of the ship was undamaged. For sales. Were still up where the crew on. They couldn't have drowned. The ship was still floating and structurally sound. No one in Havana or Bermuda seemed to know where the crew was. All anyone knew was that the Rosalie had never arrived at port. It was an eerie sight. Ship sank but ship still able to sail. Were in just abandoned. They were worth too much some speculated that the crew had abandoned ship but that made no sense they stood to gain a great deal financially from the voyage others felt. It was likely that disease had ravaged the crew. But in that case they're dead bodies would still be aboard and there was one more unsettling note one chronicler of the event years later noted that the cat on board looked smug. Did the cat know something? The humans didn't with the Dawn of the twentieth century. Incidents in the Bermuda Triangle began to happen more frequently and in nineteen eighteen. The triangles sucked in George Worley. Captain of the USS cyclops the US as cyclops was the pride of Philadelphia when it was built in nineteen ten. It was a protease class. Collier I ship designed to carry cargo in bulk extremely useful for transporting coal and other fuel. When the US entered World War One it was immediately called into service. Patrolling up and down the east coast later in the war. The cyclops started making supply runs to the coast of France. Captain George Worley was not a superstitious man. He ran a tight ship too tight. Some said he was notorious for screaming at sailors under his command with even the slightest provocation and Wurley had a secret. His real name was Johann Friedrich Wiegmann. He had been born and raised in Germany but had snuck into the US as a teenager in eighteen seventy eight it couldn't have been easy being German while the US fought a cataclysmic war against his homeland but however ruthless he may have been Worley. Knew that the safety of his men depended on precision and order. There is no such thing as bad luck only bad judgment but to an outside observer Worley impeccable track record no wrecks no serious. Mechanical trouble and very few attacks would've looked lucky. The cyclops got new orders on January. Ninth Nine thousand nine hundred eighteen. There were British ships off the coast of Brazil. And they needed refueling. Captain Wurley had something to prove. He knew that if anyone found out he was a German immigrant he could lose his captainship but no one was going to question his loyalty to America. His crew was unhappy with him his harsh in erotic manner his frequent drinking the way he'd walk around the ship in Long John Underwear but despite his eccentricities. Wurley made sure everything was by the book on his missions. The cyclops got the British ships. Refueled on time. The cyclops even got an official. Thank you from the commander in chief of the Pacific. After completing their most recent trip to Brazil now came the second half of the ship's mission the US needed manganese or to make guns and bullets for the war and so while stationed in Rio. Eleven thousand tons of your were loaded onto the cyclops destined for Baltimore while the ship was docked. In Rio de Janeiro a crew member noticed that the starboard engine had a cracked cylinder and was not working. The ship would still be able to travel shorter distances without repairing it and should have been fully capable assailing to Baltimore intact. It would just need repairs upon arrival in late February. The ship left Rio de Janeiro for Baltimore but Worley was concerned. The ship was slightly lower in the water than it should have been which meant it might be overloaded. So we had the crew. Doc The cyclops in nearby Barbados. Just to be sure it wouldn't sink March fourth nineteen eighteen. The cyclops left Barbados with three hundred and six crew members aboard its planned route. Took it from Barbados. Which is five hundred. Eighty three miles southeast of Puerto Rico towards the Virginia coast. Line straight through the middle of the Bermuda Triangle. The cyclops was due in the Port of Baltimore on March thirteenth. It never arrived. Communications in nineteen eighteen. Were very limited and when it became clear something bad had happened to the cyclops. Many feared the worst. Perhaps it was sabotaged by a u boat. This became popular narrative. After the navy investigated and Captain Morley's German roots were made public many believed he had committed treason. There's no evidence to suggest that was the case but to conclusively determine what had happened to the cyclops. You would have needed to see. It's wreckage and the cyclops left. Nothing behind it hadn't even sent out a distress call which you would have expected from a sinking ship. Other ships were following the same route but none of them ever spotted any signs of wreckage or debris as nineteen. Eighteen Drag Don. No-one found a thing. No pieces of the boat. No floating crew no bodies the cyclops. A large ship with over three hundred people on board had simply disappeared was the cyclops simply a victim of an unrecorded sudden store. Did Captain Warley finally run into bad luck? He couldn't plan for or were Darker Forces Lurking beneath the depths after this short break will continue circling the Bermuda Triangle. Now back to the story. The cyclops incident of nineteen eighteen quickly faded from the Zeitgeist especially after the war ended in November of that year it was the largest single non-combat loss of US life in World War One but it wasn't necessarily unusual ship sank storms happen but the disappearance of the cyclops. It would seem was only the beginning. The next major incident in the Bermuda Triangle would come just after the end of World War Two undescended. Fifth Nineteen forty-five Lieutenant. Charles Taylor was set to lead his students on a practice bombing over open ocean flying five planes called avengers collectively. The planes were identified as flight. Nineteen a flight. That would become infamous in Bermuda Triangle. Lor Taylor had over twenty five hundred hours of flight experience in planes of this type. The weather that afternoon was described as favourable now in nineteen forty-five pilots didn't have the instruments they do. Now they had to navigate largely by tracking how far they'd gone and in what direction but you don't get to be a flight instructor at a naval base without having some experience doing this. The planes took off and made it to the practice bombing area without incident. The practice bomb runs went as planned at three PM. A radio transmission was heard from one of the pilots asking permission to drop the final bomb. The training was over. It was time to head home and this is where things get well strange. The base in Fort Lauderdale captured a radio transmission. A crew member on one of the planes asked that plane's Captain Naval Student John Powers what their location was powers replied. That he didn't know quote we must have gotten lost after that last turn and their instructor. Charles Taylor had also noted something odd. His compasses had stopped working. The needles were spinning like crazy just like what had happened to Christopher Columbus in fourteen. Ninety two Taylor immediately notified Fort. Lauderdale Taylor might not have had working. Compasses but he did have a clue. As to his approximate location. He indicated he was somewhere over the Florida keys. A string of islands southwest of Miami. So the traffic controller was able to give Taylor clear directions fly north towards Miami and he and the other planes would make their way back home headed north but he wasn't getting any closer to Miami. In fact the plane seemed to be heading further out to sea by four forty five PM. It started to get dark and the naval base began to have trouble receiving Taylor's communication naval radio operators tried to reach the four planes but they could only pick up the occasional word followed by static and then silence either. The planes were losing power running into interference or something else was at play a few minutes before six PM. The naval base finally got a fix on flight. Nineteen but their location didn't make sense. It was east of new SMYRNA beach. Florida two hundred and fifty miles north of Miami and much further over the ocean. If Taylor had followed the suggested flight plan he would have been west and nearly home at six twenty. Pm dark clouds were rolling in with no word from either Taylor or the students. The base dispatched three planes a dumbo flying boat and to Martin Mariners to hopefully reached the planes and escort them back to safety. Even if the planes had crashed landed they might still be able to rescue any survivors. It was dark. A rainstorm had picked up and now all five of injures were drastically low on fuel. The avengers would have had no choice but to make a controlled crash but none of the rescue planes would get to the suspected crash location of flight nineteen in time in fact one of the rescue ships would never get to the crash site at all. All three rescue. Planes took off at seven fifteen pm at seven thirty PM. Mariner number five nine two two five contacted Fort Lauderdale with routine message. That was the last anyone heard of it at eight fifteen pm a tanker the SS Gaines Mills Radioed into Fort Lauderdale. He'd seen a massive explosion in the water. The flames had reached one hundred feet high and had burned for ten long minutes. Mariner number five nine two two five head exploded mid air the captain of the Gains Mills. Shawna Stanley had searched for survivors. But none could be found. The Mariner was gone. Six planes were claimed by the Bermuda Triangle that day and it would be decades before anyone figured out what had actually happened and the rest of the nineteen forties would bring even more mysterious disappearances and destruction within the triangle in the next four years from nineteen forty six to nineteen fifty a dozen more planes would disappear without a trace not so much a fuselage a wing or a black box could ever be recovered their Bermuda Triangle. It would seem was only getting hungrier as the nineteen forties rolled on the disappearances of planes flying through the Bermuda Triangle began to add up on July third nineteen forty seven a douglas. C fifty four went down in a storm off the Florida coast. The wreckage was never found. January. Thirtieth nineteen forty eight and Avro Tudor Star Tiger with six crew members and twenty five passengers left from Santa. Maria Airport headed for Bermuda. It disappeared without a trace December twenty seventh nineteen forty eight a Douglas DC three headed from San Juan Puerto Rico to Miami Florida vanished. Thirty two people were on board January thirtieth nineteen forty eight. An avro Tudor Star Tiger with six crew and twenty five passengers left from Santa. Maria Airport headed for Bermuda. It disappeared without a trace December twenty seventh nineteen forty eight a Douglas DC three headed from San Juan Puerto Rico to Miami Florida vanished. Thirty two people were on board January Seventeenth Nineteen forty-nine another averick tutor this one a star Ariel was headed from Kinley field in Bermuda to Kingston Jamaica. The plane never arrived. That's four crashes or disappearances in a year and a half people started to notice and in June of nineteen fifty something happened that made one intrepid Associated Press reporter. Start putting the pieces together. The trigger was a ship named the S S Sandra. It was a sturdy ship. Three hundred and fifty feet long. It left the port of Savannah Georgia headed for Venezuela the Sandra was following a familiar well-traveled shipping lane. It was carrying insecticide meant to help. Venezuela battle malaria by targeting mosquitoes. There were twelve crew members on board. When the ship left Savannah the Sandra was seemingly encores. There was just one problem. Although the route was familiar it leads straight through the Bermuda Triangle and then like an increasing number of ships and planes. Before it the Sandra vanished. It was like the triangle was performing at twisted. Evil magic trick. Here's a ship now. Watch it disappear. Finally a curious journalists noticed. Edw Jones an AP writer based out of Miami asked himself how many ships and planes had disappeared within the Bermuda Triangle. He started digging and digging and digging. He flagged incident after incident what was going on experienced pilots competent. Captains tough and seaworthy crew. There should not have been this. Many disappearances in so small geographic area Jones research never reached a definitive conclusion and he was slow to make assumptions. He was a reporter. He lived in a world of facts. Truth what he could document so he collected evidence and laid out the facts he saw them and on September seventeenth nineteen fifty. The Associated Press printed his article. The Seas Puzzles still baffle. Men In push-button Age Jones could see that the disappearances were clearly connected but he had no way to unify them so we ran the article hoping someone else connect the dots and sure enough. A freelance writer was ready to take the case. George Xander was intrigued by Jones. Article Sand built on Jones. Work and track down more unusual disappearances accidents and unexplained events two years later in nineteen fifty two. He wrote an article for fate. Magazine was the title see mystery and our back door but the article failed to attract much attention. One of the reasons for this was that the triangle was quiet after sands article came out. There were no major incidents for the rest of the nineteen fifties nothing to spur the public's imagination it was almost as if the triangle knew it was being watched did it was some strange intelligence at work seeking out ships and planes that dared to cross its waters. Was this the work of vengeful petty? God's No one had an explanation but reporter Vincent Gaddis based in Elkhart. Indiana was intrigued so in February nineteen sixty four. He wrote the first article to give the Bermuda Triangle. Its name in the pulp magazine. Argosy Gaddis tried. But he also couldn't figure out why so many ships and planes were vanishing. The sheer number of disappearances didn't make sense. And where was the wreckage? How is it possible that none of the searches for the crashed? Planes and sunken ships ever found anything. Vincent Gaddis kept investigating and expanded his findings into a book. Invisible horizons released in nineteen sixty five and just after the book came out two. More planes mysteriously vanished on June ninth. Nine thousand nine hundred sixty five a US air force flying boxcar went missing somewhere off the coast of Florida in this one case a small amount of debris washed ashore on the beach of Gold Rock key on Nassau island just west of the Bahamas and later that same year on December. Sixth a small plane with one pilot and one passenger simply up and vanished while flying from Fort Lauderdale Grand Bahama island as with most of the other disappearances no wreckage was ever found. It was a civic simply been erased from the earth. Why was this happening? The Bermuda Triangle didn't have any external factors that should make it more dangerous than any other patch of ocean. People who studied the phenomenon started to raise possible explanations. Of course if science can't explain something other explanations appear one prevailing theory developed saying that the Bermuda Triangle was a place where the laws of physics just cease to exist. Another popular theory blamed aliens. Perhaps it was either hostile aliens destroying planes and ships. They believed were somehow on their turf or benevolent aliens. Rescuing sailors and pilots moments before their death. There was a third theory that gain traction in the mid nineteen sixties along dead psychic named Edgar. Casey had made several predictions in a series of books. Casey died in nineteen forty five. He had been dead for more than twenty years but many people still followed his work. Casey had written decades ago that the lost mythical continent of Atlantis would be found in the year. Nineteen sixty eight that it would rise up out of the waters. Several of Casey's readers believed that the Bermuda Triangle was somehow connected to Atlantis. Maybe Atlantis was in Bermuda Triangle. And all these disappearances were just a prequel to Atlantis reemerging from the ocean. Still others believed there were supernatural explanations for the disappearances and they were about to have two more pieces of ammunition for the theory in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight the London Sunday Times sponsoring a race around the world in a yacht businessman Donald Crowhurst designed and sold a cutting edge nautical navigation system called the navigator the device worked but Crowhurst business was failing. It was Tunisia device to successfully sustain the entire business and Crowhurst didn't have the business experience to successfully market is devised to a wider international audience. Crowhurst reason that if he entered the race and did well in it using his device. He could save his business. Every ship in the race was reporting. Its location to Britain. During the months long race November and December came and went and Crowhurst appeared to be doing well even taking the lead in December nineteen sixty eight but his nineteen. Sixty-nine progressed. He started to run into trouble and on July tenth nineteen sixty-nine his boat was found drifting in the mid Atlantic within range of the triangle. Crowhurst was not on board even more strange. His navigator had sent locations to Britain indicating that he had circumnavigated the globe even know that was clearly untrue given everything that was on the line for Crowhurst his disappearance would seem mysterious and he wouldn't be the only victim of the triangle that year summer. Nineteen sixty nine was a big season for the Bermuda Triangle. Although numerous ships and planes had vanished or crashed within its confines no land bass within its borders had ever suffered an inexplicable disaster until now there's a small island in the. Bahamas called Great Isaac Key. It's the northern most Bahamian Island only seventy miles east of Miami Florida one of Great Isaac keys most notable features is a lighthouse. It's over one hundred fifty feet high and protects ships sailing into Florida from its rocky coast. It's been there since eighteen fifty nine and it's light flashes every fifteen seconds without fail but the lighthouse couldn't protect every ship that passed its way in the late eighteen. Hundreds legend has it. There was a shipwreck upon its coast. That left only one survivor. A baby the baby's despairing. Mother is rumored to still haunt the island natives of the Bahamas call her the gray lady and they say you can see and hear her. Every time there's a full moon not to be confused with the Gray Lady who haunted ridden castle which we learned about on the par cast media. Podcast haunted places so great. Isaac Cay already had a supernatural reputation throughout the nineteenth and twentieth century light. Housekeeping was a respected and honorable job. The keepers tended to value the work. They did protecting ships from rocky coasts and ensuring their safe passage people who took on the job at Great Isaac key sought as almost sacred calling and were widely respected on the other Bahamian Islands. It wasn't a job. Anyone would just up and quit in nineteen sixty nine great. Isaac Cay had two lighthouse keepers. Who worked in tandem? They'd been working there for several years and although hurricane season could get bad they were pros prepared for whatever the C- could throw at them but they hadn't counted on one thing. They're lighthouse was in the Bermuda Triangle Hurricane Ana swirled through and strack Great Isaac Cay on August first nineteen sixty nine. Although winds were strong the lighthouse had weathered worse but three days later on August fourth when the weekly supply boat showed up to deliver food and collect mail. The delivery people discovered that while the lighthouse was still fully operational. And the keeper's quarters were still fully furnished. The lighthouse keepers had vanished. The supply boat crew searched the island but couldn't find a trace of the keepers. They notified Bahamian police who hurry to the island via boat and expanded the search but nothing was ever found like so many ships and planes before them a lighthouse keepers had simply disappeared. The triangle was starting to heat up again. Only two years later in nineteen seventy one km another incident that would puzzle Bermuda triangles scholars for decades when the respected well-guarded American naval ship the USS John F. Kennedy traveled into the Bermuda Triangle. On a routine voyage. It would find itself at the center of one of the strangest triangles stories yet. The events on board the John F. Kennedy would change the way we thought about the Bermuda triangle forever this time witnesses would survive. We'll recount the ships bizarre journey after these brief messages and now back to the story nineteen seventy-one the USS Kennedy had been conducting a readiness exercise in the Caribbean. It was set to make. Its way back to Norfolk Virginia. Where the crew would enjoy a much deserved thirty days shoreleave but it's route would take it straight through the Bermuda Triangle. The following account comes firsthand from sailor and communications operator. Jim Cough cough. Who was serving on the Kennedy at the time was responsible for monitoring eight teletype machines which would print the fleet broadcasts in his published recollection. Cop doesn't tell US exactly. When in Nineteen seventy-one this occurred cop described the communication center as a room packed with devices to send and receive signals. This was the nerve center of the ship and he was clear about the time. Everything began eight thirty PM. Before teletype machines on the top row of the communications array or called primaries. The bottom for were called alternates. The teletype machines were mechanical typewriters. That the navy used to send communications from ship to shore or between ships. These devices were ordinarily very reliable. Keeping them running would have been a top priority for cough and his crewmates but at eight thirty pm they began to in cops words type. Garbage copped immediately got on the intercom to alert facilities control. But he was told that. Communications were down all over the ship. The Task Group Operator reported that his circuit had also gone out and then someone got on the Intercom and yelled out. Words that send a chill down his spine. There is something hovering over the ship. The next voice was even more panicked. One sailor shouted it's God it's the end of the world. The six operators in the calm centre hurried to the flight deck as they burst out onto the open deck. They saw something. None of them could explain very low in the Sky. Above the ship at a distance cop estimated to be no higher than five hundred feet was a large glowing orange sphere. The men's eyes did not deceive them. They also hovering low above the ship. Unmoving with no detectable sign of support cop estimated the diameter of the Orange. Fear to be two hundred to three hundred feet across. Although the sphere didn't move it led out. Mysterious pulses one after the other. The lights suddenly glowed brighter and with each pulse. Small shock waves passed over the ship. The sailors could feel their bones. Rumble those above deck could hear small buzzing behind. There is like it was coming from inside their skulls. Nineteen seconds past COPS. Heart hammered in his chest. And then the battles station sirens sounded the six communications men hurried back inside to take their positions in the communications center. The next twenty minutes were the longest of cops life. He'd been on this assignment for more than a year and hadn't seen anything like this ever. What was that sphere? How it stayed suspended in the air and then after twenty minutes a clattering in the calm centre made the men jump. It was the tele types. They were working again clear readable messages. Were coming through but cops notice something strange. Ordinarily someone on the ship would have immediately notified the naval base about an event this dramatic but no one was sending any reports about the incident. Despite the fact that the ship had gone to battle stations cough checked in with a friend of his a radar operator in the ship's Combat Information Center. The operator confirmed to cough that. The raiders screens displays instead of showing the typical dark screen with white dots had glowed completely white for the whole incident. The operator had never seen that before and like Columbus and flight nineteen. The ships highly calibrated precise top of the line. Compasses had all stopped. Working one of the men picked up another piece of news. A look out on the bridge. Who'd been exposed to this fear for longer than them. Had to be sedated. After the incident cop checked in with another friend on board who confirmed that no electronics in his area were working at one point. During the spheres appearance the ship had tried to launch to F four Phantom Bomber Planes. And they would not start. Although everyone's nerves were rattled no was hurt during the incident but rumor spread across the ship in the next few days. Cop couldn't confirm this but he even heard a rumor. That three men in trench coats had visited the ship to interview witnesses. A few days past as the ship continued on. Its Way to Norfolk Virginia. And then something unusual happened. The ship's captain an executive officers made a rare appearance on the ships closed circuit. Tv system. They had an important message for the crew. The captain congratulated the men on their training exercises. They had done very well. He just had one reminder for the crew quote certain events that took place aboard a naval combat ship are classified and not to be discussed with anyone without a need to no end quote the US Kennedy got off easy. Unlike so many ships that had passed through the triangle. The ship made it back to Virginia without any further issues. But the event is one of the most mysterious to occur in the triangle. It's hard to come up with a rational explanation. For What exactly? That sphere was a few years later. Copper and into the ship's radar operator at a screening. They'd gone to see of all things. Close encounters of the third kind cop asked the radar operator if he remembered the glowing sphere from their mission. The operator turned Pale and said he never wanted to talk about it again. Jim Cup kept his word and didn't reveal the incident to the public until years later when he retired. What was that orange sphere in the sky? And why was the navy so desperate to hide it? The bizarre incident of the glowing orange sphere had not yet been made public in nineteen seventy four. When linguist Charles Berlitz released his nonfiction book. The Bermuda Triangle nevertheless the book was the first to truly strike a chord with a public desperate for answers. It sold almost twenty million copies like cop. Berlitz had served in the military. He'd been in the army. In Military Intelligence Berlitz used his military background to analyze the patterns of unexplained phenomena that kept occurring in the triangle. Berlitz explored several theories in the book but he had a compelling explanation for the disappearances electromagnetic disturbances were interfering with the planes and ships and weakening their structural integrity causing them to essentially rapidly break apart. Berlitz called it disintegration. Charles Berlitz would expand his theories in a follow up book. Other authors quickly responded to Berlitz as theorising both for and against one year after Berlitz book came out. Commercial pilot and amateur researcher. Larry Kush did some investigating of his own. Kucher responded with a book that had a very different view of events in the Bermuda Triangle. Berlitz had prominently sited Donald Crowhurst mysterious disappearance from his boat in nineteen sixty nine as one of the great mysteries of the triangle. But Larry Kush had other ideas his investigation started with what had really happened to Donald Crowhurst but quickly spread to the mysteries of flight. Nineteen back in. Nineteen forty-five he was determined to be the one to finally unmask the Bermuda Triangle Columbus Crowhurst the Rosalie flight nineteen the USS Kennedy countless others forever lost at sea lives. Were at stake. If the Bermuda Triangle couldn't be solved ships and planes would continue to vanish and hundreds of people would die next week. We'll dive into the mythology behind the legend. Why the triangle has turned compasses into pin wheels? It's the time of Columbus. What happened to doomed sailor? Donald Crowhurst and why? The triangle seems to swallow up everything including evidence. If you're looking for more unexplained mysteries you can find us as well as all of our casts other podcasts. On Apple PODCASTS STITCHER. Google play cast box tune in or your favorite podcast directory. You can also find us on facebook and Instagram as at podcast and twitter at Parkas network many listeners. Ask How to help the show if you enjoyed the show the best way to do that is to leave a five star review. See you next Thursday and remember. Never take we. Don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries was created by Max. Cutler is a production of cutler media. And is part of the Park Network. It is produced by Max and Ron Cutler. 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Week 1 Reactions

Herbstreit and Fitzsimmons

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Week 1 Reactions

"No one's been part of more first days of work than car heart and in the same way rookies earning respect car heart never stops earning the respect of hardworking working people like you from building rugged dear. That's tougher than any. I are worst day of work to reengineering the classics to outworked the future. Trust your car. Hearts is to keep doing their job long after you begin doing yours since eighteen eighty nine car hurts got your back twenty four seven visit car heart dot com forward slash c._f._p. But college football podcast with herbie and pollick now. Here's here's your host kevin the gandhi week one almost in the books. It's a five day event that is week one and we close it up with a nightcap nerd louisville tonight and that's where kirk shree joins us from louisville getting ready for the call <hes> harvey honestly. It's been fun four days. You're catching your breath. You've been at a variety of different stops calling a bunch of games. What's it been like for you. Experiencing this as you wrap up week one man it's been great. I think like everybody everywhere. I turn turn at least on social media and everybody. I've talked with just like college. Football is back and you know this other than the fact that it's a celebration of the opening weekend again other than oregon and auburn going into the week as far as to two ranked teams in a match up. We didn't really have necessarily a ton of marquee match ups and and into me. This is a great reflection on why college football so much fun. I mean from thursday night all the way to hopefully tonight. <hes> you always kind of expect the unexpected effected. You know you get you get some upsets. You get some great individual performances. You get some games. You thought you knew what was going to happen. You turn tune in and you watch and man it. It happened happened completely opposite of what i thought so that's to me what what makes sports so greatest. It's the way it's unpredictable and and the passion and the energy that that's obviously obviously around it and <hes> you know it's it's a great way to kick it off and we get ready after tonight. We quick turnaround and we get ready for week two with some now next week when we will have those those marquee matchups yeah and when you look at the tripleheader lineup on a._b._c. ohio state cincinnati at noon clemson am three thirty and then the nightcap and primetime l._s._u. You texas with game day. Ten years later going back to austin cannot wait for that experience in that environment. We'll get to that match up a little bit later on the podcast but you talked about individual individual performances and i wanna talk about the one that's kind of fresh in a lot of people's minds after last night and jalen hurts making his oklahoma debut free passing touchdowns three. We rushing touchdowns three incompletions. What did you see jim hurts and lincoln riley offense. I just wanna know who in hollywood is is taking notes to be able to get ready to well. Let's wait for it to end but who's gonna put this movie together careers over thirty it it is it is incredible. I i mean it is it's the most fascinating story <hes> and if you go back to when he you know he left texas outta high school and and he goes to alabama and he's competing with some high profile quarterbacks play for now. If you remember they opened up <hes> that year. I think there was with u._s._c. Endow dallas cowboys stadium and i'm calling the game at all this hoopla about blake burnout and who's going to be the quarterback that year and and jalen hurts came in i and made some plays and it was just kind of like all right. The rest is history. We let them you're into the national. Championship came close to being the shawn watson until sean and hunter underrun pros heroin and <hes> you know he had a brilliant career until that second year in the championships georgia when when to became two of the the two and we all know and then of course last year happy to sit around and wait and gets his opportunity in the a._f._c. championship graduates and ends up at you and and everybody was bracing racing four okay. How's he going to fit into the system. That's won. Back-to-back heisman in fact about first draft picks the first brown first pick overall. Oh how's it going to be the next guy and some people were cynical and some people were optimistic and finally we get a chance to actually watch him and man from the very outset. He looked to be in command. <hes> i personally thought watching him run this system and baker and cuyler ran the system tuned they had incredible success they both brought their own kind of flare or or kind of fingerprint to their style and their particular year and i think jalen will do the same thing and i think lincoln is is kind of a savant play caller offense of mind to me that the cutting edge play caller and all all of football including the n._f._l. And what he sees he's got this big powerful experience quarterback that can work wonders in his r._p._o. Game came running the football with great authority and power almost like running back which is very different from the last two years and then being able to throw the ball with incredible accuracy the and and good decision making so. I don't know if they could have. They may not want to talk about it. I heard last night talking about well. We got a lot of work to do. We gotta get a lot better and i'm thinking you know it's week one. That's probably the right thing to say but i don't know if last night could have gone any better for them and the way privately they scripted and hoped the started arcnord his new career in norman could've gone. You have three incompletions you account for six touchdowns. I mean that that was the performance of the weekend by far in my mind yeah and and the other side and i understand houston's going through a transition derek king account for fifty touchdowns a year ago and he's in dana hoeger sens offense their defense when you look at oklahoma homa and alex grinch the new d._c. They looked fast and and again. It's one game but that's a huge difference from a year ago where where the narrative was oklahoma has to score. Maybe fifty to sixty points to win each game here if if that defense just shows up and his mediocre then it's a different conversation on how we view the sooners in my mind. I'm glad you brought that up because you know there's so much talk about the opening weekend and and what probably will get lost austin shuffle at least for now and they opening week because what you just brought up and that's why i'm so thankful you did because i went scrunched came over. It was emphasised by lincoln riley <hes> they had a better weather on that side of the ball. You're right. They did not want to be recognized. As big twelve team. It just has to outscore everybody that they play and thirty or thirty five points a game and and just rely offense and defense personnel. <hes> took that on a personal level and a gallon sprint has done a good job of simplifying and attacking. If you want a defense last night you you you saw very different. Look <hes> you saw team that that looks like has a new identity and let's not let's not forget they're going to they're going to be facing chain big toilet or capable of scoring points but they're not gonna. They're not gonna be facing many more quarterbacks that have the skill set of king and who they last night so i think they were amped up and fired up a home game opening game of the season there especially fired up to to to feel that challenged the people people put on them and the face king and dana holder sending their first matchup and to give up four hundred four hundred yards one hundred sixty seven passing yards <hes> that's announce standing up in a great starting point for them to reestablish that only defense and get their compass back. They get ready for the rest of their season ten. I wait. I'm i'm already circling a down october twelfth in dallas against you in the same boat. We've both opik texas to get into the college football playoff but man i i cannot wait to see where the sooners defenses in in in the six week of the season. I wanna see where texas is especially coming off of what they did against louisiana tech as they get ready for l._s._u. The other big news when it comes to quarterbacks that happened yesterday j._t. Daniels and u._s._a. You talk about all the pressure on clay helton coming into the season. Now allie loses his quarterback. He has to go to a true freshman in in keyed in slovenia as daniels tears a._c._l. And his meniscus and the schedule schedule herbie for u._s._c. for the next six weeks is absolutely brutal and you could say it's probably the toughest schedule. I think any team will go through in in a six week stretch when you start with stanford and you have teams like washington utah and notre dame on that schedule well and and for for for a coach <hes> and clay helton who is if you look around the entire country coaches potentially on the proverbial hot seat is they come into the season who he was who would be those coaches he would probably be the leading candidate from from even his own fan base so that they'd be president state and they get the devastating news of of their starting quarterback going down for the year we wish chelsea daniels of course all the best and surgery and recovery and rehab. Hopefully he'll come back stronger than ever <hes> but with that being said i think this is a really good example. <hes> what teams dealing with all over the country <hes> you potentially essentially you you play your starter. You get concerned about what you know he he might do and once he should go back to to <hes> to took it up and saying well we you know it's a quarterback battle. I think all of us were kind of scratching our heads saying quarterback battle daniels. He was the starters a freshman last year. What do you mean battle but now if you start to understand why one of the backup quarterback stink left in april entered the transfer portal because he didn't think he was gonna win the job and then somehow he came back and then once they did finally announce they had to at some point announce the starter last week of course announced that it's going to be j._t. Daniels and then <hes> jack sears leaves yep he's in ten supportable so so you've got a lot of coaches that are dealing with us and just hoping that their starter <hes> <hes> ends up staying healthy and now you have to turn to a true freshman you know a lot of people wanting wondering who keyed on slavic is he gets into the game and and and kinda managed the game because of the lead. I don't think they really put him in a position where he was gonna. Throw an interception. It was just like let's hold on and get ready for the rest instead of season. Go back to the drawing board with you know with our our new young quarterback so it was a completely different mode that what he'll be asked to do when they played stanford hanford this coming in his next game at have an as you mentioned b._y._u. Utah going to seattle go into south bend <hes> it's it's so it puts this this team already had that thinking of an enormous amount of pressure to win games it puts clay helton and see team aim behind the eight ball and we'll see how they respond with a young quarterback <hes> as they get ready per <hes> per stanford who looked pretty good themselves within a nice performance against northwestern couldn't at home taking care of them by ten and then there's the unknown mckay j costello after suffering that injury taken that forearm to the head he had to leave the game so as of monday we're we're. We're still in the unknown of about his status there but you know helton's coming off a five win season. We haven't seen back to back losing seasons at u._s._c. in decades. We'll see how that that plays out so that that that was the storyline from yesterday. When when you talk about quarterbacks the there were two other big storylines from the weekend and one of them was how the s._e._c. east looked at it did not look good outside of georgia with a devastating loss for tennessee georgia state and how south carolina lost a mac brown to north carolina team that won two games missouri losing the wyoming and then all the talk about hey what about the my argument is this and this is not us being favoring conference while i know that that is a narrative but the reality is when you when you are in the playoff era if if the top teams do well that's what really matters and the top six teams in the s._e._c. all one this past weekend or at least in their opening game so while a lot of people are bashing the s._e._c.'s c._c._a.'s as well as they should with what tennessee did the georgia state in the biggest upset of the weekend. The s._e._c. still has when you look at the top. You still have alabama you. You still have georgia. You still have l._s._u. All looking very good to start their season. Yeah i guess i look at it this way. <hes> <hes> of course the f._c._c. still has seems like alabama. You know teams like <hes> l._s._u. You can throw in texas and emma's and big game with clemson this week over in death valley. Rally auburn found a way to win a game. We'll talk about here in a little bit <hes> florida and georgia and east but even though the top of that conference is is still you know there's there's a lot of excited about. I think the one thing that in my mind is typically separated the s._e._c. from other conferences to me is always the depth like if you get into into these debates with people about who's the best conference. It depends on how you view it. Some people look at it like we'll look at the top three in the s._e._c. Versus the top three in any other conference offense c._f._c._c.'s the best i personally look at that but also look at the equator of each conference where are they at five five and six and seven and eight and anytime teams like south carolina play you know in a game against north carolina whose and let's face it we the perception is in rebuilding mode with mack brown in his first year and tennessee's playing an inferior opponent georgia state <hes> and even missouri playing team that they should be able to all the talking and <hes> and birmingham was about missouri. Hey who's the surprise team oaks doc missouri in the east. It has no the way the schedule shark our eight no kelly bryant. Oh look out for missouri here. We go with missouri so i don't wanna pooh-poohed food us and say oh. It's no problem. I think that they lost three games and if they see the big time we'd be talking about that or at this one nuisances so these were these were embarrassing losses tennessee and the entire country <hes> that was a historic loss for them and to see that neyland stadium idiom <hes> in the third and fourth quarter more than three quarters empty <hes> this we should talk about tennessee on a little bit because i have have four boys and two of them are nineteen one of them seventeen and and we live in nashville tennessee and the last one is thirteen and i was telling my my sixteen year old and i said you realize since you've been alive. Tennessee has been irrelevant as far as what their standard is and you to me. 'cause i always go back tennessee. Oh one is when tennessee was tennessee and they could bring up four or they want. They got played auburn and the s._e._c. championship but that was not a great tennessee team. I'm talking tennessee to me. Their standards to be where alabama is right. Now we're l._s._u. Like they are supposed to be at the top and arguing at the the top of the s._e._c. and the last time they could do that was travis henry and and <hes> travis stevens and jason witten casey clausen. I mean i think about that. You're talking eight teen years ago so you imagine how disgruntled the tennessee fan base. This is nothing against jeremy period. This is eighteen years of mediocrity by their standard. You know they're not preparing themselves against kentucky such free or vanderbilt's history or south carolina's history there tennessee and so to lose to georgia state after having been in the middle of eighteen years of frustration. I can only imagine what what the fans are dealing with in knoxville this week and what they're looking at with their future of this season and kind of where they go from here because you know there's anguish and toxic right now and you just wonder how they can fight out of that hole whole when <hes> when it's they they've been struggling here <hes> for a number of years so that was a tough one obviously south carolina. I had to pick north north carolina people on game day. Kinda laughed at me. <hes> i have a lot of respect for mac but also realize that even though he's playing a young quarterback and sam how was a lot of skill around him and i knew that mac would have defense playing with with some edge and some energy kind of new found use and and and just just different attitude <hes> seemed to be permeating out of out of chapel hill and churn up they were able to go out and win that game that one it doesn't feel as bad as tennessee missouri losses but it was not a top to bottom. It was not a not what the s._e._c. probably the conference imagined agent <hes> when i get ready for week one herbie to add to your point with tennessee what stood out is how they lost. They didn't lose on a last second field goal. They lost to a georgia estate team that just honestly punched them in the face and the third and fourth quarter and it looked like tennessee defense said we're not ready for this. We don't want anything to do with this and that's to me he's stunning when you have jeremy pruitt this fan base and that how they they shifted and they got the coach that they wanted through that alabama pipeline and now they have the deal with figuring things out phil fulmer figure things out and the one thing that that that also stands out when you when you bring up the history it's been two decades you know in the late nineties ladies that the peyton manning's the tee martin's and stuff when you look at where they were dominant and you look at where they were surrounded in in the country in the area where they're at twenty years ago alabama wasn't alabama dominating and georgia was still getting some players but they're not like what they are doing. Now and clemson is is on a different level so when you look at tennessee twenty years ago they could dominate an area when it comes to recruiting and they can't because they're surrounded by programs now that that not just dominate their area dominate the country so for me that long term for tennessee this game is a devastating situation asian but long term. It's like all right. Can we look at down the road in year two jeremy. Where are the bright lines. Where are the moments where you're like okay but we we've got somebody coming up in in that pipeline with our recruiting class and i don't know if tennessee does well. I think if you're just looking at right now you know they lost the the georgia state by the way sean elliott and you know all about him. Story appalachian state guy who came up as an old line coach and his way through the s._e._c. was south. Carolina spent a lotta time south carolina's <hes> at one time of steve spurrier's line coach and and becomes head coach towards the state on either team ready. You made <music> out standing point about how they won the game. I mean this was they were churning out drives of ten plays nine plays. Just it was not a oh. Oh my gosh. The ball bounced off his shoulder pad up into the air off the defender. I caught it and we won the game. It was no no no no. We're gonna come right at you. We're gonna run the ball right at gene challenger challenge of defense heart and see if you can respond to it and it just seemed to get more and more confident and tennessee seemed to be questioning things more and more of the game liam went on and <hes> georgia state deserves all the credit so we don't want to take anything away from what they achieved but the bigger story i think is is tennessee. Where do they go from here to get b._y._u.'s why us nine easy opponent at home and you have tennessee chattanooga then they go to the swamp georgia mississippi state then they go to tuscaloosa home again south doc carolina u._a._b. Kentucky at missouri vandy. I mean i think for them. It's one week at a time but you could you could very easily say other than chattanooga and u._a._b. And and by the way those on givens based on what we saw last saturday. Where are the winds coming where where did you you see the winds coming so we'll see if they're able to to kind of regroup but just exactly how you did not want to start the season <hes> for for could've tennessee ball. It's scary too because in two thousand seventeen four wins last year five wins like you said you'd be hard pressed to maybe potentially get the five wins right now. Considering the performance that we saw against georgia state in the way the schedule shakes out all right. Let's go to the game on saturday night. It was the best match upon paper and it turned out to be to me the best game <hes> of the weekend and the legend bonex an and figuring things out in the final ninety seconds but with oregon giving being giving auburn so many opportunities you're up by fifteen points in the third quarter and you're like okay. This is it. This is fine. This is the reason why herber came back the line line. They're all back and and this is something for the pac twelve as that game was going along what was your feeling and and how you're seeing the progress of vo knicks getting comfortable in the offense and also what organ was doing in trying to trying to to to not lose this game and it turned out that they did well. There's so many different ways to go with this. Let me just start with the excitement of just being. You know it's week one. It's it's a big time. Match up your your inside. Ah jerry jones's stadium there and there's a buzz feels like a big time. Bowl game is the best way to describe it like there was a lot of pride and a lot of want want on on the line for both these teams. They showed up ready to roll <hes>. That's what made the game. I think so exciting to give oregon a lot of credit. I don't know if mario cristobal christobal could have imagined things starting all better i mean they they came out and he's he's trying to change the culture in eugene and when you think about what's the perception perception the pac twelve and maybe we're going to build on speed and what chip kelly created <hes> and i take toughness by the way when chip kelly was there but the perception on the outside was they were more about speed and flash and uniforms and smarter cristobal is trying to go in there and teach them about toughness and i think they lost some of that when chip left and he's trying to kind of reestablish that and so an entire off season to be in the weight room and it'd be taught about toughness and all that and who better to be challenged by s._c._c. team like auburn and they go up fourteen to three in the first quarter i mean a fourteen to three and their offense defense to steal everything that they want to do do and then there's two things happen. We're watching the the true freshman go next who's waited his whole life for this moment grew up worshipping auburn because of his dad ad and the way he grew up is is an auburn fan and now he's in that uniform and i think the game was moving really fast for him early. He was feeling a lot of pressure. He was times scrambling when he did need the scramble because this kid's been able to rely on his athletic abilities whole life he's he's running around trying to make plays oregon had everything covered and he's making a lot of mistakes and yet at the same time the auburn defense made some adjustments by kevin steele all they started to get after <hes> you know what when oregon was trying to do offensively and herbert started to get a little uncomfortable and then and then all of a sudden we're giving even the second half and and you know everybody talks about the first week of the game of adjustments will give kevin steal all the credit along with gus malzahn because they came out looked like a a different team in the second half and the defense kept them in the game and then of course bo knicks eventually started to kind of make some plays and i thought the running game also so with whitlow booby whitlow started to kind of find a few creases and the offense align started to play better and all of a sudden auburn got some confidence in the and and and clearly got the momentum and then of course they made the plays down the stretch to be able to win the game could not believe by the way the last play. I'm thinking you're right. You're thinking oh. We're all watching like all right. They got the first down. Let's get in the middle of the fifth kid to make appeal goal to try to win the game. No no heave ho he's doubt just like oh my god. I don't believe it but it was. It was one of those passes. If you're an auburn fed you're like no no no what are you doing. Yes you know and then the reaction with gus of the sidelines when they made eye contact it. Just it just felt like <hes> guscott is guy. You know yes yes exactly doc late. <hes> and i and i don't even know if you and i had a <hes> telustrator and we were breaking this down the play the way it unfolded he was trying. I think go to his left in the flat. <hes> and the corner came up and took that away and so because he took it away he didn't didn't have a check down so instead he kinda reshuffled his feet and he saw his big tall receivers sets williams and he thought he's big and tall and he's got an advantage that safety's kind of out of position what the heck he thought on that point five seconds and he throws a up high hoping that the six five receiver and make a plan about and it's underthrown throne which allows them to come back and the safety was out of position is the guy that we didn't call his name all night the third string guy and <hes> this one able to make a plan football and i'm south williams who had a quiet night finally did make a play and <hes> auburn goes home happy and the cool thing. Is you gotta you gotta true freshman quarterback who who gets to learn a lot of mistakes that that went on in the first game and they still won and for oregon man oh i thought i thought this is this is just uncut wrenching loss they'd played so well and you got older back for big year and they can still have a great year but they're gonna have to show some real maturity shirty and being able to to kind of go back to eugene and pick up the pieces and and get ready to take on. I believe they have nevada. Maybe montana <music> <hes> before getting the conference play and if you look at the rest of their schedule according to f._b._i. Is all <hes> before that game if they were to beat all they were favored favored in every other game the rest of the way so you look at that situation how they loss if they go let's just say eleven and won the rest of the way then they have to hope hope and pray that there is some chaos at the top right and that there are some law so there's one or two bad losses that stands out for them for the adia to get back into the conversation especially for the car and soon the how things have been kind of the narrative and how people view things which i think is unfair because we're looking at this team individually angelique but that's the reality that sometimes you see it that way and say all right. We have these three teams of the top fifteen. Who's going to separate themselves from this conference in this conference. Well let me just say this because i think that <hes> this is a really good football team and they've got a really talented quarterback. <hes> the the question will be if they are <music> able to kind of pick themselves up and start to win some games you start to look at their schedule and how many teams that currently anyway or rank and outside of auburn and you got stanford that's currently ranks of washington <hes> the tarantula of washington state which rank and as we sit right now those are the only three teams that that remain on their schedule central <hes> that are rank and so you winning games will help but beating teams that are ranked obviously can help propel you back up. I think they should be rewarded for having the willingness to play a team like auburn so if they do start to pick up momentum they would be a team that i would be willing going to give a a kind of a nudge to over other teams that that maybe didn't play a non conference schedule that included a team like auburn where they traveled all the way to dallas to to play auburn <hes> see teams that do that need to be rewarded when we get to november december and we'd get him to these discussions about this team that team you know if you played nevada. Montana and i don't know you know name name another team and it's a bunch of its three easy wins versus the team that's willing to play auburn <hes> and and and a game in which you you played really well and led most of the game <hes> i don't think you should necessarily be penalized is if now big if they're able to go one you know win one and then went to and they get the ten and eleven one and they go to the pac twelve championship and they're sitting there potentially with their only loss to auburn and the way they lost you know i. I don't think they personally they should be penalized for that. I'm with you and they at the end of the season. Who knows where arizona state is and you gotta hope that arizona state is a ranked team there just to help their resume if they were to get a win in a situation like that but you're right like what's the the point of scheduling a tough team to start the season if it's going to bite you and no one cares about it right at the end of the season right and that's the biggest because fear. I think that's the biggest fear that have while why am i going to do this what what instead of i have some monetary incentive and exposure incentive but what incentive on my going to have one. We're we're talking big picture getting into the playoff one team that's not going to that wasn't a playoff conversation team but to me it was a thrilling contest that we saw was in tallahassee and and boise state what they did in that second half with a true freshman hank hank bach meyer who was incredible trump empty one times he was hit so so many times in the backfield but at a certain point something clicked something changed for boise state and then you can say the opposite with florida state a team that was up thirty one to thirteen and then they they somehow get shut out and they have no idea what they're doing in the second half when when you hear about this and what florida state was trying to do and trying yeah to get over the hump and then what boise state just did with a true freshman. What are your initial thoughts. Jalen hurts performance with special but what what boise state went through now. Let's backtrack yep. He stays boise state's gonna play florida state in a neutral site in jacksonville and because of the threat of the hurricane it was thursday. They announced that just be safe. They're gonna move the game and the tallahassee for home game essentially tesla not essentially a home game for florida state and they're gonna move the kick back to noon eastern tot in tallahassee saturday afternoon all late august august right yup humid. It is ruutel for a team. That's boise state coming out of idaho and we've seen him do it with guys like zach. It's a brand ski and killing more in the past and here comes little old boise and to take on florida state and willie taggart is desperate much like tennessee got off to a good start after all the noise in the off season made some different hires in kendall browse running the offense and they need to hit the ground running and that is exactly exactly what they did twenty one to six and they they're out having fun. They're taunting boise state after touchdown. They look like florida state is they're. They're on their way to score eighty point. They got the slager right. The swagger was there that first quarter chirpin and scoring touchdowns and they're going to score core eighty with this new browse offense. That's what i thought i'm sitting there watching them like jesus and boise. They got this freshman quarterback when a tough way for him to kinda be welcomed into college football. They kind of you know like you. We've got five games on you. Still kinda like oh boy. This is still hanging. Exactly you know okay. I still in this game and then all of a sudden at halftime it's like i was like thirty one to nineteen. Maybe someone is thirty one nineteen twenty one twenty like those they're radically. They're still in it when they scored another touchdown the third quarter next now all of a sudden you're watching for the state is tired. They're worn out and this paint bachmar faulk meyer. If you've not seen boise play against florida state do yourself a favor and watch brian hartson team and watch this freshman quarterback. He is to me that story. One of the stories of the opening weekend is watching bachmar do his thing and as you said taking on four to state and defensive hit him he showed incredible toughness to continue to fight back to continue to give his team a chance. You got a lot of help you know with players around him. Thomas had a bunch of plays. <hes> honi was running the ball <hes> they just look like typical boise too. Little engine occurred but i was. I was so impressed with his energy looking. It's faith. He's looked like a tough. I love toughness out of quarterbacks and that buchmeier <hes> really really demonstrated that first game and i- boise. I think the real shot to become that team that everybody starts talking about other group of five. Who's going to be that team. I think boise state's can have a pretty good argument this year with that can lead to things that really stood out as the game went on and you mentioned that that that florida state defense got tired they were on the field for forty minutes when you look at time of possession tallahassee so boise state has to be prepared for that heat and they got those boxes with their sitting in there to cool themselves themselves down and yet the offense was running the show because they were ten of nineteen on third downs meanwhile the kendall browse offense and okay this this is it. This is what they've been waiting for. They go one for twelve on third downs and you have that uptempo and then the defense kinda come back out there and these long drives by boise and et really caused them. I i wanna talk to you about two more things before. We wrap things up first off. Let's get to l._s._u. Texas <hes> early thoughts on a matchup like this. It's is going to be your game prime time on saturday night on a._b._c. College game day is going to be in austin it. Just the whole vibe is their first ever s._e._c. The big twelve top ten matchup in the regular season ever so what you have this in a week to it's fantastic for all of us. What are your initial thoughts as you get ready but i think it's going to be. I think the weekend is going to be outstanding <hes> because they won't we have you know throughout the day <hes> we used to ten ten years i i i. I can't even believe that there's a time you know we would just go to austin either every year every other year and to think that we not taking in the show down there for ten years kind of tells you <hes> you know texas has been rebuilding this thing for a while and i think a lot of us when tom herman was hired thought there it's a pretty good chance that he would get them going and and i think he's been a great quarterback to leave them and then sam etlinger also has i think recruited a different level exactly <hes> not just a skill spots but you can look at linebacker safety corner. They just look different. You know i think they've they've got an experience running back now chianti onto ingraham so i think there's there's excitement there and there should be <hes> they also some have found this new energy at home home games which is totally new even when they winning and and they're they're really dominate us with mack brown that was never what i would call an intimidating atmosphere and austin and i think <hes> based from what i've seen last year. They've made some inroads to to make that a very difficult place to play so for l._s._u. Another team that i'm as excited to watch till borough with what joe brady's doing with him is coming over from the hague. Here are the same to you and i talked about that last week this new r._p._o. R._p._o. game and what what borough be able to do with that <hes> he was on fire last week. I know it's a lesser opponent but kind of like <hes> jalen hurts twenty three or twenty seven five touchdown passes. There's two hundred seventy eight yards and so. I don't care if he games air. That's that's a pretty good day throwing the football and borough this new offense and all the the the athletes that l._s._u. Has both teams are thinking about the playoff. Both teams are thinking about trying to win their conference. Both teams need to win this game. I oh i think try to achieve their their long term goals so you put two teams on the same field with that in mind. I think it'll be to be a lot of fun <hes> saturday night so thirty seven thirty kick eastern on a._b._c. and the joe brady stuff. You're going to hear about this all week and and i love this story how or doron decided this is. My guy saints come in. He's on the saints coaching staff. A year ago before the season started they they meet up with yellow coaches the saints coaching staff and or july so i was moved by brady's talk to the staff so when they were looking for somebody. It's the first thing he thought of. I want that guy. I want him to be part of our offense and and i can't wait because i a certain point where watching you know l._s._u. The other night against georgia southern. I'm like don't show us everything. Make sure make sure you keep everything so you know that playbook doesn't go all the way out and and we have some pages that we're going to high for this texas game because i want to see that match. We're both teams in both offices opened things up can now wait for that okay so before we wrap things up. It was really cool. I'm a father to three kids two boys who are seven and five that love football. You're a you're past that you're well past that you've got boy but seeing your reaction thursday night at clemson will your twin sons title. Jake are in warm ups. <hes> ties wide receiver jason cornerback. What was that experience like for you as a father surrounded by football your kids grow up you know playing the game and now you get the chance to see them on the field that was i just surreal is probably the only were that i would be able to describe. I <hes> i you know my kids have always kind of. I've always done a really good job of letting my kid may lead their lives <music>. I help guide them and try to help them from time to time but i kinda like my dad did with me. I try not to be a dad. That's overbearing or tell them what they're we're going to do. This is their thing you know. They went to high school in nashville and many of the kids at that high school. They'll go play sports at division three. <hes> liberal arts our schools and many times up in the east coast and <hes>. I thought you know if that's something you wanna do go for it and but that they've been around they traveled with me. You know for really really the tire lives they go to big games all over the country and that's all they've seen as big time college football and so they decided that they'd gone to clemson camp and gun enough but the camp <hes> for dabbled call them and say guys. We want you to be preferred. Walk ons and love you to come to clemson and let us know because we only have a few spots awesome. If you wanna do it we need to know and and of course they jumped at the opportunity and his dad there's probably about maybe six or seven coaches in the country that i'd be comfortable with <hes> knowing and knowing what i know about the sport and just direction of the sport when it comes to preferred walk on and dabbled would probably be at the top of that list and so <hes> when when when davos talk to me about it we went and visited sat down with him he told them his personal story about walking on in alabama and and what he experienced what he had to do all the little small victory that he tried to to achieve <hes> along the way i'd be becoming eventually a starting wide receiver for the crimson tide when i went on to win a national title and ninety ninety two and my kids is just wide open sitting there listening to historian his office and so for all that kind of they've been away from home for the first time since june really <hes> working out six in the morning all summer and going through you know lifting and and hanging out with these guys that if what blew me away about this program program was the superstars in the program how welcoming they'd been to not just my kids but all the freshmen. I think that's really what makes that program what it is. It's not like who oh you kid. It's more just like they welcome in and make them feel part of the family and so for my guys to be out there and being welcomed and being part of it <hes> the defending national champs and act in the manner in which they at that to me was probably the most surreal part of it is <hes> is the program and a culture that that dabo although swimming has created and for my guys to be a part of it now being out there in warm ups and kind of being in their own element <hes> that that was that was cool and then as the game went on my kids obviously you're going to redshirt but as the game went on <hes> the game got out of reach and tie <hes> ended up getting in i think the last series <hes> got actually got a chance to play so that that was that was also special for him but yeah overall just a great not because it was a great night for them and you know being apparent when it's a great night for your kids. It's great not abuse well. That's all that matters you just on your kids happiness and succeed and when you i'm sure you talk to them what was there. What was their experience again it. It's one thing to be on the field and be around big. Games is another to suit up. What was their experience like to be on the field for a moment like that for tie and jake did they tell you what yeah just just blown away. <hes> could not could not even could not even believe it they but they at at the same time it's it's they're seeing through the eyes of of eighteen nineteen year old kid who has dreams of of one day try and do contribute so they're looking at it like like this is part of the process dad's a you and i we look at it like oh my god and they just look at it like hey. This is just this. This is the first step. This is what you're supposed to this. Is you know i think they were overwhelmed with joy and and this is so cool but i don't i think they looked if they had it like this is what we do that on the team. You know this is this is kind of but at the same time just to be wearing that uniform and to be out there <hes> you know they they <hes>. I think they were they were overcome. I think with with emotion but the same time trying to keep it in perspective and just enjoy the moment hurry love appreciate that you sharing. That story with us cannot wait for this weekend game day in austin get you set for l._s._u. Texas that game prime time on a._b._c. Wanna remind our listeners. Thank you so much for your support. Remember subscribed rate and review looking forward to next monday here. Thank you sometimes for inspiration ration- you just have to look up for more than sixty years. 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Inside Supercars - #260 - Newcastle and Season Review

Inside Supercars

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Inside Supercars - #260 - Newcastle and Season Review

"The matter of pulling together a lot the whole Jordan and putting on what I can be a brilliant. We'll be honest with ourselves next week as usual and say okay this stonking result. But what could we have done. Better Passion for rising again looking like my job back to just doing it because I love rice it kind of really welcome to incisive cast shine. Dan Ginsberg from Holden rising thing here welcome. I'm too inside civic cows. Our final ain't of two thousand nine hundred and that's post. Event addition Craig revel in tiny talk and Craig from television point of view. I'm I'm a pretty good but truck. Saad what about you. It was very DACA. Hit well this this Fire Haier's is that was the Newcastle City. The entire time was right there and it probably suited the mood to greater extent. There was some rubbish obvious which I really don't want to go on the show Because it is a waste of But there was a lot of rubbish going on Pay Norton now Good friend from inside motorsport. Sport suggested to me tiny that it was not before last market was the toxicity level. Pit Line that was blocking out the sun. Well certainly let me. You'd say that This year has had far. More controversies than anyone WanNa donated and some right nasty stuff going on and I think it's Dole uh-huh pretty despicable people trying out about Scotty McLaughlin. Who is as we now? One of the keys out. They yes tiny what was interesting. When was this comment? I got him McLaughlin on Sunday night. Sometimes you can't win with some people and you've just gotTa accept that unfortunately it's how it is in this sport. You just get used to do it. But next year all of us can come into the sport with perspective. You know I feel like we can be better role models for not only Bantus. Great we all do it I just hope we can come in with better perspective and bidder bit more. I have an idea of just being professional for not only our sport and the drive is coming through but also for drivers at for other sports and athletes around the world and I think we can really lead for example cameras showed a great deal of Stalin in class. Everything that's happened. That's not has nothing to do with any of that so it kind of is what it is. What's happened the things things that have happened with engine stuff? It's it's pretty money and I think it should've happened. Move On. Yeah so poor. Core against from those gossipy sign that Kinda Shit so good luck to Cameras and a piece of future respite. Boy were pretty good shape is I would have to agree with that. And a lot of people did share that sentiment. Over the course of the weekend tiny the rices servewell Newcastle track has deteriorated quite a bit since that first few we were all there and unfortunately the changes that were made in and around the the hairpin promoted a little bit more passing but didn't really fix fix all the problems and shame Gisbert during the Saturday press conference was quite outspoken. What they've done to the tracks good? They need to do it at turn one as well straighten that up. So we're breaking breaking on the right hand side for left-hander and open that up and the track bed about been signed up for wall. Hopefully wants different. Atomic keeps coming. Problem is is now you can bright so trying to someone and they can't like I did it a couple of times you struggling to pull it up as it is if you break with a block in front of you trying to avoid. He's going to look up so we before I guess a modern achieve better in these got now but I think like Shane's once it changes the bureau wallet might be the case for the drivers and spectators track. One thing I will say is that Civic as television has yet again I hi can Another leap forward because I thought they coverage show was truly excellent. TV positions were improved. And I showed the track in five eight. A light possibly deserves but The one thing was at charing. The WII The steak ice Ron's and a number of ways in which Shaikh covered certain aspects of it. It really was very well done. And particularly in some of the passing moves when those showing the alternative views from the cobbing being passed to the car passing. It was terrific. Really well done. Congratulations to Nathan Brennan granollers involved at Sivy count as a you had a few good conversations over the weekend starting off with a couple of people you describe as the winners yes Scott. McLaughlin spoke to him on the way back from the press conference to saying the boys for the first time and it was a great. Chet interrupted to boy his hero. Greg Murphy is we went back to the garage. Then go to opportunity to speak with Ron Story. Worry the managing director of DEJA team penske. So we'll he both I mean the After the first break we also spoke to who the man Dan who was eventually crowned the my cable young of the year will the Mike Gabel young and that he's Taller Everingham and he'll be coming up a bit later in the show and congratulations to taller by stab. Oh sorry embracing cats as a youngster. For a number of years. Yes and he has quickly come to grips with supercars moving through the ranks in Very short succession. So that's great to see him having his opportunity now taking it with both hands super to we spoke to Brooke Dany and sorry not Profane Super to we spoke to Bryce fullwood and of course Bryce is going to be making the main game next year. Tiny the still. We'll all the Jackson Drake's on the movements in season. Twenty twenty haven't played out here in two thousand nineteen yet but we'll also hear from bras food in that funnel section before Al who before a final thought interesting that Chaz Mostert attorney has bain announced over at walk. Insuring trading nodded. That was not a surprise to just about anyone by the end of the weekend weekend. Yes and that was rather interesting the way in which maybe take for pushing the peso but the came out and We'll extravagant extravagant down the line on a tie. Charlie L.. Pick Charlie and deliver him to walk and children Rodwell. Who was playing ducks and drakes vision? He was an hour why we brought him here. Gee I don't know why that is well. You Know Ron might wanted to initially disavow any knowledge. But we're roll fairly certain that Chances Gang and look it's terrific you walkin show as a as we have a great history in sport many championships Susini Bathurst wins and certainly It'll be great to see him back there on a regular basis. James Courtney hasn't yet vein confirmed in the technology. The whole thing is still going. I cloud of Question marks hanging over it and wait and see that all falls rules at similarly. It hasn't come out yet. That valujet Lebron confirmed going to take foot. But he's the likely replaced in the interesting thing is it's already seems there's some moves and counter moves around sponsorship with tick for picking up the truck assist to be the sponsor of what was the Buffalo Mustang for Leo's with will now become the truck assist one so it's going to be interesting to see if Jack Ma Brock remains comes in as a Soviet shape driver or does bottler move back to be a secondary sponsor. Maybe anyway that will come out in the fullness of time Bentley Ellsworth who we spoke to over the course of the weekend and what he had to say about getting a two year extension on on his contract and he's great news To have that continuity with the team and especially is fantastic for me and my career and I can build on that data and hopefully continue to get results and get better results. H H ran. And you know. I think the podium hasn't been far away for the last six months and we finally got it San Dan. But now I feel like it's It'll be more regular thing so terrific to see lay getting some good results. Piety Matt San was always going to be great reward. Fool is certainly come on leaps and bounds as he came to grips with ticket cars and also with the Mustang and tiny. We should also congratulate out all the weekend. Shine gives Bergen taking out the Barry sheene medal his first time receiving that award and also go to Tom having a regular role on inside supercars. Who is finishing up? It's fake heff. I at the end of the year but not before he won the supercar meteor rewards journalists the and then backed it up with the supercar made you would at the presentation not on Monday. So so congratulations to both shine and Tom just before we Price on with Scotty and run it certainly interesting to to think back on the way in which certain elements have happened about like the surface surface three thing. That's an interesting development. Did you get any news on that. over the weekend and will only that a number of teams Very happy with the move of super three and super to away from each other they were thinking it was going to be counter productive. I caught up with Brad Johns. Hey said he's GonNa have definitely one in each of those series next year. Super Too. And the touring causes should be called. He's confirmed that he's got his program sold for those two with the potential that he could expand one or the other Depending if anyone else needs a raw nerve remembering that Jack Smith's coming into town we'll hear from Jack Smith in the next week or so about his step up today the main gain part of all moving around and we should also mention that we've got a special next week with a number of team owners who have given us thought on the state of the SAUPIQUET nation indeed and certainly is interesting to hear him speaking about the way in which they hoping this areas will run on out in two thousand twenty. Interestingly because by the mind series and so to have both dropped around super to six rounds and of course nick sees the main. I'm Amo is as just the fourteen including break after the right. We'll be hearing from Scott McLaughlin and Ron Story on team Penske's success in twenty not not J. H.. Wait joined the inside Motorsport team. Is they look at all the news from across the sky and around the world thank their own taking the sport with interviews news and Opinion GonNa put money back into the sport at the lower levels to develop the kids and bring them up. You can't rely on good luck for Daniel Recount. What is all manned without a few nights the tips money in incendiary visas direction needs to be stratos for broadcast on community radio and online at sport radio DOT COM dot? What I use? The views expressed on inside supercars including the panelists and guests do not reflect the views of the network thunder media will sport radio any publication channel rebroadcasts of the show without the express written permission of Funda media is strictly prohibited. Dick Johnson from Deja Pinski. And you're on inside. Subic John McLaughlin. Congratulations it's a long year. Isn't it Some Long Years Fisher this one. So It's it's Unbelievable to what we have and by the triple now's Unbelievable as a team so yeah really proud. What AH getting without getting into all the crap that's going on in the last month? What has been the highlight for you is there one moment that you're going to cherish wins the item you know? That's a serious fat fate To do that as a squad You know in any year that US that the the the categories Breakdown people out the front more from the north and and Yeah the the gaps close. Yeah he it's That's what I'm really proud of to jump into a Mustang and drive a Mustang and understanding what that heritage is. What has that been like because I imagine if you've helped revolutionize the fan base? Yeah I don't think the reform Ford's back It's it's really. I guess. I'm proud to fly the flag I guess in some ways the Ford later and That's what I'm really excited about and I think for the future for Ford and and Yeah and for Subic as well with some you know it. It's really it looks good about twelve we can make the the rising closer and in regards to the era when we automate some passes. There's and stuff we'll be good what's going to be bigger standing up on the hood him with the trophy or standing the alternate weeks. I think my nose. Ob Not as pumped up more nervous Yeah I'm excited to Madrid she's She's amazing young lady and she's the great goal for me with Honeyman spin even in the sites. Um this guy I'm not I'm not some that Bitam incites Zaire but the honeymoon strata. Why probably lose it like a mini school But for me Yeah I'm really I'm I'm really excited for. It'll be a big fans walking up here winning a championship. We've just to hear Greg Movie. Yeah didn't get a championship. Yeah Yeah I've got three more to get visas wise but Yeah he's got me into the sport you know fell in love with him and why he was with the fans and as his his Mongrel and he's a great guy to have him interview me after somewhat biggest moments in my career. Some really cool and as we talk walking back to the garage to say the boys. This is going to be the first chance. Isn't it when you turn this corner. Take them celebrate review and probably put some you get to see colleen and family. Yeah I'm really excited to everyone on the back here so it was gun. Hang out and say run by some is going to be based on Auden really. Enjoy this one because We worked out for congratulations once again. Thanks Craig Sorry congratulations tain with now two drives championships and two teams championships. Just dilaudid extremely grateful to every member of our team and all of our partners all of our supporters who've stood boss through thick and thin that we talk a lot about people capital in this business. And you really nothing with that with that paper. We do the best we came. We look to look after and we have great longevity with US stuff. Typically since since stepping back up Takao team in two thousand sixteen and investing in the infrastructure to ensure that we can do all of our own enhanced development and engineering in manufacturing we've had tremendous longevity and tena since that point and Tom and the same people who were there then still with us today and and and and the fruits of they live is other awards that we see on the right track and in some of the trophies that you see in our garage right now remarkable year was was it. The team's twenty one wins. I think twenty wings the you would know better than a a lot of wins this year. Heavy heavy even hoped to replicate that again. I think this is this is a stellar season Again it's been confusing the making the Mustang project. I think tunes to in turn to only a few weeks ago. So it's it's it's it's all very fresh but an enormous amount of work went into success creature as you will not. It takes the tremendous effort from a lot of different people and couldn't be more grateful for all of the support that we have out there from from from fans and supporters throughout tremendous his partners show vape power and of course all of the people who work for to who you know. Rona racing is all about passionate. It's it's it's time at the ended day but to go rising rising fifteen weekends year. You have to love it and all of our staff love they love the they love the competition. I thrive off. And and we're we're we're pointing and marching in the same direction which is which is critically important and one thing which is great as you go into twenty twenty which is a tape. Tavora negotiation deal is the back end of the season television writings van going through the roof. If you look at AFL. I've had does almost single digit growth growth year on year in the struggling a little bit to retain some of their audience where we've seen a significant increase in on both subscription end and Frit away television and I think of seven percent per full full year tonight product to this event so that that really really BOJ will force and you know. We need to ensure the product continues to be accessible when Fox Fox sports deliver a world class product with with SIP because television and we just need to ensure that whatever whatever we do next we have the maximum reach And the most accessible product we can possibly have because if people can people can find us. They'd Luckily Credit Union and watch. We need to ensure we've got we've got an entertaining boggled product on the right track made to ensure we've got every garage in this pit line food food with house. They need to be plenty of on track action because on track action gets off but it's all about ensuring that we bring the product to the paper. We've got a really strong and solid product and is more work to be down there but I think things are heading in the right direction. Ryan have a great Christmas. Hopefully considering these era tests in the in the beginning of the same you get to have some sort of break. Well you know the motorways entity results and we'll keep pressing ahead because they still this this year the rising sort of things may be done but for us. It's not whatever you now. You sat down and had a interesting around the table with a couple of young men. Joel Music from tearing cats on the website and look slim. MANSLU has checking like media with various roles in Coventry and pay our around by competitors and Siri so that was interesting discussion on sent his tiny hand. It's coming up after the break here on inside Subic each week. Join the inside Motorsport team as they look at all the news from across the Scalia and around the world yeah I mean it. It means a lot in through the years. A lot of reference this race is one of our majors. Six hundred miles around here is no easy task rather play the nine. We don't keep your driveway. Another family inside modest four broadcast community radio radio and online at sport radio come join in the conversation. Post your thoughts on airport radio facebook page. I am Jones From the cool Dr in writing team. And you're listening to inside Civic House while at the end of another year. Hey It is time to dissect it and joining me. Today is local mental and Jordan Malec. What a year? Twenty nineteen has been your thoughts Jordan. Oh absolutely deja TAME pence gain. especially if it's what's going on I mean I tame wins in the season two premium brand highway two did not stances. Well we remember the POC incident so I was the one that Goku said. Wrap it up. Four you got to Newcastle was pretty big Fulham Year. The Ye will always. It's been talked about where the year the Asterisk I would more apply why that to to what's happening with all the changes rather than the problems from the outset. Benign still quite an amazing season in the history of soup because with that many wins from that one draw up. I don't think anyone's going to top that for a long time. It took a long time for it to be Craig Burkan. Lucky for debate. Your thoughts yeah men. Scott McLaughlin performance is undoubtedly very impressive. There's no doubt that he's brought at the top of his game with mine as Jordan one and only to the Y.. That he clinched the title with one Guy Promotion Event to event. I had done. What happened on Ghankay but gave the room for a lot of trek story. Lawns and particularly the controversy surrounding and Shaima Scott McLaughlin Auckland's championship victory and Beth. Victory guys million the minds of many typos tiny. She bought. Some soft controversies. If you concentrate on on the year is a year of mistakes body governing body more southern mistakes by people in Tame Land That's a controversial question. Ivan's a can of worms any doubt that the parody situation in hand wound on banned. Ah from the start of the effects that we had multiple parody adjustments happening wrought throughout the season the Basal Sport controversy surrounding Beth's That really thrust the category into the spotlight. Not particularly on that in some respects the officials and the governing body cams can only enforce the regulations as Rian. Nothing lead did that Sei. We've seen the regulations they for the times to push the band drinks and And some of the regular is now moving into twenty twenty and beyond to Mike. Sean Paul's closed some penalties. That convey head down to be toughened up time that we don't get to see in the future. Now as we're we're speaking Chasma Spain's STREP to a strep to lift the trophy tight and he's being deposited down at walk. Insurer arrangement nodded which is the worst sacred in the sport. Jordan certainly thinks so an offset. Today's performance new titanic cameras. which just about erupted did this This may be Senate into a fit of LOFTA That would have been quite funny if it happened again but it looks like that. We have got chaz confirmed walking. Sure enjoy we know that as you said it was one of the worst kept secrets with and Chazan Diana's affair and everything like that so Yeah that's that's that's a bad tom but tom place to do it. I mean they doing when all the all the hate self which is certainly interesting. Only that gets done out away from the cameras and And the draw gets put down there. It is a bit of a passage certain teams to do that to departing driver. Will usually you do it well before all this ran as well. And that's been the hush hush kind of weed thing about the fact that it has taken them so long to do it. I mean coming into today's rice. He had most of its helmets on oil tame members from tickets signing. I will miss you. It's like well while we miss him guys. You haven't actually Nancy's leaving yet but it's it's it's a shame that chas he's leaving tick adopt those amazing years. I mean fifteen. He coulda challenge for the championship. Had no pain freeze horrific crash baths. Who could forget the Ba'athist twenty fourteen win are you one of the greatest Rice's wave Everson? So it'll be really a big time for all the blue. I will fan same. Go over to the generals company but you united walking show. He might be the breath of fresh air. The native the lucky one of the big stories at the end of the year is the end of the ultimate. We're back to Ford versus hulled. That's one of the stories actually always saying farewell to a few different Not just cows personnel anxiety and we say goodbye to Gary Rogge's ages has been a very long serving character within the sport. Someone who's been responsible for bringing a lot of young talent up through the ranks we side boys and not just Nisa WHO's hitting back on? Saying's GONNA shine to lose their shaving spot. A lot of young miles to get involved in my house born here in Australia. Shakes the Porsche formula. Eight Dale and couldn't fund from Kazu. Twenty twenty and beyond. But it's just coming back your original question and Van Niessen. I suppose the question to ask now was car of the future shock really all that that successful in achieving what was supposed to shave because the night objectives car of the future were to bring you manufacturers and yes we hadn't manufacturers wall but they've gone now and the other objective was to reduce costs in which you have to sign it hasn't really changed that at all Si- interesting times living living former Further regulation changes to the scorn in the next couple of years and they absolutely critical not sign not necessarily early encouraging more manufacturers becky into the sport but definitely reducing the costs that is absolutely paramount. Importance sustainable only. Are we going to be holding pattern. We've got a parody test starting later this week and they're going to tweak the Ford for wooden Halton but are we in a holding pattern now really until the start of the ginger tree here. I think it's one of those we'd kind of interim phases just just like going through the way we know our win. The big rule change is gonNA come through safe one. That's twenty twenty one with going to mainly grant effects He Yeah it's it's win. Whenever Jin three comes through the at the montage they just trying to tweak the formula to make sure we hold for until that time? Because if you think about it with the current climate climate that we've gotten in especially Shannon's nationals in that Kinda rough so really building up at the moment and Bill falling by the wayside as well as many fans being thing turned off while the sport yet gotTa do what Kate the fans on saw. Cable Interested Cape The sport relevant which is now the thing 'cause holding this really isn't aimal. One of my favorite quotes from Jones smells which is back in the sixties and seventies paypal. Toni Up Tabatha on the Sunday in their homes reports and cheering hearing on those solids. Now they do it and they attorney up in the obeying ws Mercedes Marquez doughty And Yeah it's it's almost like football club you've never applied for it. You never have a family on the board or anything like that. These will still support through inferred despite being I guess totally relevant to what what you're actually doing every day it's going to be the end of the television deal next year too. So there's gotTa be if we thought there was a lot of turmoil and and And a lot of off track stories. What happens with these? TV's deal is really going to set up the next period of supercars once again holding holding pattern. We know what we've got now my personal opinions. It's been very successful. Although it has had its problems but it it was very successful for one reason. Five years ago they needed to ensure that they have greater than you next time around there in a slightly better position. The teams are slightly better position than they were five years ago in some respects from tiny Cochran on the situation actually elite nine point four three remarks about what they believe needs from with the Knicks saved. They'd say oh but basically it's going to be two objectives number one to try and UH in Christ the direct revenue that comes from the tape they which distributions at times but the other thing and this is the point that Cochran touched on. It's getting sworn in front of more eyeballs for fray side Pie for because that's how you gotTA drawing Alzheimer's director of me from saving income directly from the Creating golf cheeks derive income from sponsors. That Y cy it's eighties absolutely pretty. Cool the CAIRN landscape and with the teams that are only extant. We're losing a time in Gary Rojas Knives Point Question Marks. I've seen anytime I am. What come along and we still done one hundred simple? It's happening with that. Also with the cack-handed Out wrought law was on the equal lowest. That we've had on the grieving in quite some time in terms of the Syrian Kat Championship side. Nothing creating an environment way in times can function sustainably as legitimate business. He's The bay dial is GonNa make absolutely pretty cool in not which why guys well Jordan. What can we celebrate out of Twenty eight twenty nine hundred actually Craig Grandma I let me Jodi? What can we celebrate out of twenty nine thousand other thing? We can suddenly civil rights scum. Go hunting achievements. Yeah as I said before. Despite everything else that's happened happened. This season with the pay would tailored being raised This has been a season absolutely dominated by him. At the end of the year you had five of drivers running mustangs. No one could touch him. Most of them we go one win because well he's Tame I took McGaw Cornell on the formation lap Dan Pollack doc and then If I've got a couple of wins ran Philipon which was surprising but I I certainly suddenly reckon that year we should still right Mogollon we should also so right. Ford detained penske just the homologation process of the Mustang Arguably Vega wrought straight off the Bat Home and Nissen did sign off on the Mustang that took to Adelaide and then WanNa changes when they realized that he was a bit of a gun and yeah I think we should also the camaraderie that was saying the paddock. Maybe racing dies with a lot of the stuff that's going on but suddenly you've shined venues big and he's really come out of his Shell L. This year and he's really showed himself to be quite spokesman saying in the past couple of years but the fact that this he ah he's had a little more opportunity. I guess almost being backed into a corner in the position that he's he's probably going to be more self reflective he's always been shy character always uh-huh misunderstood so certainly the fact that Hayes now more than public spice and arguably triple eight now the heroes whereas did you are obeying same as the villains for all the Baptist controversy which does little bit of a bad Tyson people's meals per year. There's certainly a lot so bright As well he said wasn't jr a Really really big time for the sport or Gary's done over these is an amazing The year hopefully will save them back at the scientology. We've got so much on the apply. Taseer Austrailia is all that kind of stuff so yeah twain on it's been really big IFS UCA's but I mean twenty twenty vision is that day j o Pre roll out again and grabbed novel championship before Galkin heads off to the US and dominates over there. Will you spoil the next question but Lucky Hetty some twenty nine. I take to everything the Jordan just said I think the most important climate here in a stranger at the moment. It's probably as tough as it safe to forge a career as a professional racing car driver. Just the funding that's required to get into a position where you can bring more yourself into professional rising roll here in Australia. The opportunities more than nine point some time but I'm going to reflect positively on the facts that even despite that we still have some very very talented young guns to a Nike prisons fails by drivers. Canton Davis growling and told highs mood. Who are improving having all the time but all side? The next crop who are making their prison failed in Calgary sock Porsche Career Cup than the Su- series driving slow I throw us. We had an outstanding season. These he will brown Jordan. Lobbying career coppins. Well I think that would play all generation of driving. That's in mind guy. Piper Mark James Coney recalling not too many seasons autumn wind up again probably spend clauses of the end of Correze To say that we've got the next crop of young guns ready filming untucked. They fleiss sorry. I just wanted to say on that. Someone throughout the mention before was on dry on gotten and hayes absolutely punched above white in that Nissen this year. He pretty much is dragged up into results. That really didn't deserve him. In Brazil. With the fact they had Kind of non results of the Juror Cup when they really deserved it was an amazing thing. Also winning the championship in the Motorsport. Nissan Altima I reckon that with Honda if that was in Mustang this year top five eighty. He would have been taught for championship. Well that's maybe you'll Christobal for twenty twenty but since you've done that already I'll give lucky the chance to check. Do you have the clear crystal bowl Jordan naive. I actually think we might say few tweets and turns in twenty twenty and the right side that is because some of the negative sentiment around and Cologne side. The speculation affects that he's probably GonNa hit the US in twenty twenty months on next few months but he's last slice new suit. Cows are saying because of the final year of market. Sam brises arises tenure in supercars way still performing very well on track off track distractions that needs head in. The Ambrose didn't win the championship in two thousand. Five hundred year ensued Kazai. I'll just get the sailing They sit simpson of plot. In next year's Sizemore Qantas stride. Foreigners what we want all expect if he's able to do in England co-founded very happy in that case. I reckon we'll I hope you have great Christmas new years the and look forward to catching up with you throughout twenty twenty local awesome. Thanks for having me crying children. Thanks Craig and yeah really looking forward to the bathurst twelve hour which will be kicking off the sporting season next year not looking forward to that three or four? AM alarm on February. Second Benign. That's always a great event. Saw The we'll take a break and be back with more after this h wait joined the inside Motorsport team. Is I look at all the news from across Australia. And around the world here in Formula Story Trey I think the fantastic environment may be doing however Soleil from the so Sustainable career in such as fast as because an astrologer is picking crocodiles giant targets. Were back in like PD modest broadcast community radio and I'm on sports radio DOT COM dot U.. Joining the conversation. Post your thoughts on our facebook page and ask a question email insiders at sport radio DOT COM dot. AU go-between south supercars. This is Ryan story from. Dj Team. penske enjoyed show inside sabre cats and BRASCO. Congratulations it's been a long battle but it's either in your hands the championship trophy for Dunlop's Yeah exactly autumn and it's never an easy ride correct path but To to get done but you know it's it's been a very tough road for me personally and for myself my family around me but Absolutely start to finally get a dumb. What does it mean for a week? Come from up in the northern territory. It's pretty big. I think we have A. It's a little bit hotter from home for us. I guess We'll start recording. We've had probably not jumping most but I think we've always felt like I'm capable of doing it and I guess this strife you in my hands means you know maybe I am so look really really starting to really came to get it done and I'm just so happy that you know I've had old support site for full support of over the years to help me get me here and obviously having the opportunity to get up into the into the series in the main series over the jurors that just gives you that desire to make sure you make that next dip as soon as as possible. I think it's a good way to see way or personally against you know draw. There's I mean we see being against Andre. He's a very dear and he drives that car every second weekend so familiar only having adding seven rice meetings year not only to test is and not as many new toys and all that Kinda stuff you know. It's a hard thing to try. And do they get free Thompson. Set to toys. We get So it's very hard to try and capitalism stopped cloudy with my performance against dry and Yeah so I guess we'll Weisensee earlier in the you told me when you went back home last year you got out in the paddock. Basher in heaven round. Is that the plane for this some of this Christmases. Well yeah exactly. You're out of a car that I'm restoring personally and so I'm GONNA go back down and head down on overseas pretty busy throughout the year and don't really get to have much of you've you're on yourself I guess so it'll be pretty candidate backup home sleep in my bed and hang out with my might sounds like with announcements coming up soon. It's going to be hard to get to sleep because we'd be wanting to get in and do whatever you're doing in twenty twenty. Yeah I mean obviously still very uncertain. What's going on this? I'll be caught came to try and get some of that stuff away now hopefully soon so that we can enjoy at Christmas. Trees are now if we have a future. I guess congratulations once again. The super to champion now are taller. IFFY interesting for you. How would you sum it up pretty much? All I didn't really start a strong Blunt newcomb new tracks It's pretty difficult but now that I'm feeling counter with the car same to be adopting pretty well and getting good results. You've had some pole positions and some podiums as will we we do Where did you sit you? Go and have you exceeded what you originally set out when you first made the step Well for the start of the O- soda hyping top tens in an possibly move up to top five finishes but to get a rice win and start at the front row by this is pretty cool so I think confusing the championship at the moment. So if someone told me I'd be there this out of the pretty much have to tell them I'd be lying but Yeah really hyper the result The team it's Most responsible for that Cosby Rydell ye Yeah we're just Progressing really nicely. I remember seeing if he is running. Go karts around on New South Wales. Did you get through the Knicks tips. Because that wasn't all that long ago when you go cats night yeah. We jumped up to formula full when I come around That was a really good stepping stone for me Run around that for two years and then lost Jae Robin Suva threes and narrative. So yeah big difference between each step though. Oh Yeah Yeah. Massive difference Age category has little little wire. Running will Toys like going from wheeler to a a very too because a massive step side. What have you learned on each step that has helped you approach the next month? Probably mortars tight Tom Just as into it. I come truck Tom Really Hope. is pretty limited time But yeah just take like a methodical approach and take steps to to to get to where you want to what do you. What Syrian game? Where do you want to be in your career? Because you're still a very young man. Yeah it's a pretty hard question and like I don't really want to be honest Tixx me. I'm just a block to Some sort of of a mind game or pinnacle of Motorsport strives as are just something like that. Yeah have you got a twenty twenty plan already in place not at the moment now. I'm hoping to run around and get in the Super Tuesday but that's costs providing and and we'll we'll see how he can get that together. What what? What is the biggest These she about these cars competition like everyone's side close With the whole field's been in March the Tom Nonsense within each other like Tenth of put you up four spots in qualifying so it's a really intense driving on the limit everywhere so just trying to keep pace and especially through the Rice's luck the longer Rice's now And trying to Cape concentration storms. That have been a big change and something that I've I do. Adapt to what about as you said. You're not in the car that often in super twos. So what are you. What have you been doing in between to keep yourself shop and feed Yeah just training bizarre. Clean running Trying to keep my strength up in the gym Yeah just trying to keep on top of the other rising and I haven't been doing much ration- issue Loss wakened always Up in Thailand. Bend in production costs That was something to keep me shopping. The hopefully this weekend well. It's a great first season. Congratulations Taller than you Craig. Final thoughts for the tornadoes. Addition mine is I cannot remember tiny a messy a year particularly in the back. Half what has been interesting though is it's it's generated a lot of interest and that has possibly been good for the sport if you can believe it. Maybe when you get a bit too close do you think the world's you know you you get a bit henny penny you think the sky's falling when an actual fact that just made cutting through the Aba Sports Sports and getting some coverage agency rise at the whole social media thing is is obviously something still evolving in the world. I was fascinated and quite delighted allotted to hear some comments Sachet Baron Baron Cohen made about facebook. Google instagram varies other social media. In that these these various websites they have to take responsibility that they not just notice boards. They are in fact publishes a Nice Aono. Don't which is you know Paid left to take responsibility of the things. I say you cannot just started this stuff out. There is a fifth generation journalists. I know that Mossel Bay took responsibility. The things I say and as the journalists who did have his past taken for things I write that were perfectly will doc welcome by the papal reign. Soapy Kozel Visco as it was then. I know that I did nothing wrong. And I'm very pleased to hear that maybe there will be a very positive. Come out from this in that Team manages team owners drivers crews will take responsibility to the things things I say and think far more about what they do say so my my thing would be looking for with great optimism that they'll be ro benefits to come from this twenty twenty and beyond might just throwing a plug. The that we did do a show in August last year. Cold on social media it'd be worth while for people to go back. It may be Craig at this point to show one ninety-three on social media in looking at the impact of what they will say On both it's the people who are involved and the people in the sidelines. It's an unfortunate thing and one that we can. I will improve. Well that really sums up another event ain't post of institution with got some special things coming up in the near future one of which way reprising some things we did last year in which he do some five dissolve. And we've got slade. Sam Tape is quietly whine McLaughlin rich Davidson giving save us on being the fathers of young champion driver Rivaz. so that's a terrific thing makes wake where we having our team owners view which can be a terrific one as well and that will be getting ready for some big interviews two years. We've got with people who have been around the sport for a long time luminaries around the business. Such as Mario Mexico's spun of the foundation members of CIVIC castaway Bay Gays Ueli owner and evader and the man who is at the center of the whole. PWI RADIATA business certainly fascinating chat. And they're all the things including Craig High State and others on the inside of inside Serb Caz so that's all from me and it's not from him inside super cazes houses produced by thunder media tune in next week for more at Sport Radio Dot Com Dot A._U.. Or walking the podcast on your mobile device search inside supercars.

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NBA Season Preview | Pt. 5: Surprises, Pressure, Zion

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NBA Season Preview | Pt. 5: Surprises, Pressure, Zion

"Today's episode of no doctors brought to you by Game-time Pot Cuevas do you think NBA tickets are cheaper three weeks or three hours before the game we should really know the answer to this shed yeah and I don't know because it's not written here but we can all find out by downloading game times ends up being a starting five in the future is fantastic is really really sexy but the reason why I believe in their future right now even though it's trae young second year last minute tickets now I drive my own Chevy's a Chevy Cruz tickets pick your deal see the view from where you're sitting that's huge row y y section one two four seat twenty four and twenty five wet and discovered the fastest easiest way to get into the game so download game time in the APP store or Google play work that clock to your advantage and score the NBA season preview series here on the athletic I'm Jay skeets up in Toronto living entirely off Tim Jose Pizza Pizza and alongside me man few fun clips from each of those shows so go check those Elko like those share them with your friends you know we're on facebook at facebook dot com slash dunk sink you see those as well all right like I said final part of our season preview series here a couple more questions to fire through guys you ready Oh does that then you buy in to taps that's two taps more than twelve million fans have downloaded the game time at mm-hmm and selves up as Stockton and Malone Kareem bigger guys you guys are so much cooler than John Stockton and Carl Malone do the another huge thing with the hawks as you saw the improvement from for instance I want to surprise East playoff team who wants to get started I'll get started with the Atlanta Hawks and it's not just because we live here although that's the Steve Nash you know the Nash Amari Star I can't get it out of my head that pick and roll Combo with young and John Collins I yeah they were it's official we're now on facebook and you can email us at no dunks athletic dot com no dunks at the athletic dot com get your questions in for when we step Mary reason I wanNA see some basketball future is obviously really really bright in Atlanta but quite often when the future is bright the present can be a little dim because there are a little bit too young league guys going to keep telling you until you do it follows on social media twitter and Instagram at no dunks inc actually been sharing on the beach next week yes that is happening next week any NBA questions you got any questions at all send him in no dunks at the athletic dot com or hit us up on twitter Hashtag no dunks in our first question part five surprise Eastern Conference playoff team we've talked about the bucks on the sixers being at the top likely of the eastern trae young only in his second year John's we've talked about Cam British from Duke which has got to be very exciting deandra Hunter Kevin Herder that starting five let's say that the young kind of coincided with when Collins came back into the lineup he was hurt to start the beginning of last year once he gave a trae young actual role threat the court opened up betrayal magic happen. Jd hasn't gone hey there is a down in our temporary Atlanta Studio we got the home you got smells hey guys hey tessie you the bearded one trey Kerby hey and of course the international mystery taking it to the maximum Leila's friend it's easy to envision them really popping this you're making a run at the playoffs and then setting themselves up Nice for the Future Yeah Joan Collins has got the John Stockton short shorts to maybe sweet rolled and welcome to the new podcast the fifth and final part Ah I think he realized midway through last season that he belonged and that's why his second half was so good and then he goes into the off season you're going to like the skeets and he trains with a guy like sgt into teams apart with his passing Collins became a twenty and ten guy he was shooting thirty five percent from three there the foundational pieces are there that isn't there right now likes them for the first time in six years Bill Simmons it's talking it's bowl season right the wizards I mean the wizards as long as bill their their chance bill there's no chance I don't think you're gonNA make it I know trae has them winning pretty much every award but I think they're going to make it's not just me surprised but now everybody's on the Bowl Ski doc ID trae Young's compilation looking through the the teams that didn't make it last season I mean I think a lot of them weren't Mike it again. The Nicks the cavs the Bulls over the past couple of years and now they got two of the wizards guys I'm like yeah let's go bowls yeah I get I don't want to repeat myself too much you can go check out the previous podcasts here the season preview yes we did talk a lot about the bulls here and there but the main takeaway for them it's sort of two full if they stay healthy which they weren't last year they just weren't three of their best guys act Levin Markkanen Junior. They missed a combined eighty-seven games so you know if they're healthy they got what appears to be a pretty young talented core there and I love that Kobe white is in there got a point guard he's got but saying no chance on the other teams would like the Charlotte Hornets who I mean again they're going to be the same as they always are so I think it has to be the hawks in this case I think they have to the herky-jerky style he needs a jack's links like beef jerky endorsement ace APP or something like that I think towns had one give it to Kobe he's the real herky-jerky but I like that on the Bulls I've talked to them up a ton here on our previous series I while you've always been a huge otto porter fantasy coming from I can't believe how much I disliked the wizards teams ah the Pistons Magic and the heat should be in there and I think in the nets of course as well but I think it's a harsh that's fair but I am going to go with the baby bells trae I'm in on would be a great first step obviously the Hawks and bulls both want that step they could be people's number one team in the eastern conference because there's just a lot of Niki underrated off season to where they signed thaddeus young you gotTA wizard they're insider Ranchi there's something there I will admit now starting to get a little worried that last year Lee and then trying to convince yourself that are the Hornets going to get in there now the wizards probably not not and so on but yeah I think it's the hawks fernow really see there's a chance to get to the playoffs and gets imply of experience which would be great for the young yeah I hear you're saying you're right they're going through all those teams that didn't make it everyone seems to be that there's a little mental with these baby bulls and I was like yeah okay they could be good but I'm leaning all into it with trae they're going to get into the playoffs and kinship belt for this one on one competition they have okay and at the very first day at Camp Art Ryan Archie battled his way to the finals lowest seed taking on Zach Levine's that comes out roast them for a couple of baskets all the other balls are standing on the side of xactly being this guy's going to win and then Ryan pediatric starts and stops bigshots takes home championship belt I'm thinking man this is incredible and then I'm thinking wait that's bad everybody eats on the likable they're so hot right now and I think it seems like we got a battle here young labels right like the like a bullseye we'll tell you one thing that's got me feeling a little hesitant they put out a hype video apparently they now have a chance that's a great point that you wouldn't be necessarily a surprise I went under the not really not really going to be many spots though there should be there as well they could be very similar are so stinking young and that stinks a little bit as far as their playoff chances go because those guys should be playing the most minutes but then you're gonNa have guys like Jabari Parker eight minutes reiner she does the third string point guard and he just roasted our best player one on one with every camera to see is this message you want to be sending the very first week at camp yet is ars Lloyd he knows that these guys are going to have plenty of bumps along the way trae young especially this season I'm interested to see just had teams defend him you know because we got that in their best defensive player could be a rookie right that's that's a lot to ask for a good coach who understands that this is going to take time he's not trying to rush the young because he's got a lot of swagger he's talking about a potential all-star campaign this season and I just think he he just a lot of this game is mental for these dues you know there's there's but I'm I'm buying the hawks because I think they're going to be dedicated to defense which is back to say because Alex probably their starting center that's not a good sign lockdown lynn suppose we gotta go to that game for sure definitely back in time it's also funny 'cause they could both make the playoffs and they also could both be fourteen sure oh good I I just think that there's there's something in that locker room even though all those guys I mentioned De'andre Hunter and Kevin Herder and John Collins entry on and edible range so teams are probably GonNa push back further and further will you be able to go inside and scores so that's one end of course the defensively things do just take time you guys need to get bigger and better at it crabby minutes and Vince Carter eight minutes and that I don't know they'd ceiling is obviously a little bit lower with those guys and it's not as fun to watch just for sure let's get to our next question guys which team is under the most pressure they don't have a ton of cap space assuming Anthony Davis ops in next season to his deal so things have to work for the Lakers right now this is not a building season Ochs v Bolt onto yeah task test legal with the Hawks and trey and I go in the ball I like it I like it what about we've got me through the big move very Anthony Davis if mortgage some of their future in acquiring him as far as the young players have already given up and then future dress what bright options there with the Pelicans but they've been a joke of a franchise they've they've got the star players now they've got the Stop Jala they have to go out and perform there is no no option for them this heading into the season team will take the Lakers I think this is a big big season for Los Angeles I haven't been in the playoffs for so long they make the in that building because you know the media's going to like just over hype that storyline and they're trying to say it's not a rivalry at all maybe they're even right but we you know we're going to try and make over people are quick to forgive if you really show up and play hard so if Anthony Davis has an incredible season if he's contending for MVP defensive player of the year and the Lakers are back to just be a good team that you can see a future for their in a win now situation and they have to do it from not one yeah and they're not even helped that the other team in Los Angeles is possibly hi Anderson is back one little thing goes wrong in that starting unit and who knows and it feels like you know in the modern day sort of MBA not a chance to sort of get to know each other Lebron's thirty four is going to be thirty five in December they have to be contending they have to finish in the top four in the western conference I think this season or else okay all right I'm gonNA shoot every stinking shot he doesn't want to do that we've already seen Gerald Green go down there are already playing for a lame duck coach which is really strange and Mike Dan Tony's last not my if one little thing goes wrong on that team because they're so thin like last year at the beginning of the year they can just start off really really poorly like last year in James it's so many picks to bring in Westbrook to get rid of Chris Paul because he was on that massive deal the window is now and like you're saying it feels like it's causing in if losing Gerald Green seems like a he people will be on both Lebron and eighty side but they gotta do it but aren't those two guys just walking on the floor healthy fifty wins it sure feels that way especially people have questions about Lebron people obviously have questions about Anthony Davis his REP is at the lowest probably since he came into the League he basically quit on the Pelicans walked out with the that's all folks shirt and certainly yes Davis yeah definitely any other teams I'll throw in a rockets I know we've talked about them but I think they're the most sort of tenuous or kind of fragile expectations expectations to meet here for this team there's no doubt about that and then along with that there is the honest contract situation the looming contract situation and to keep him happy and then eventually keep him locked down in Milwaukee they gotta prove that last season was not a fluke and that they're legit true title contenders of his contract because you know besides those starting five you're relying on Austin rivers and then a Antonio Suffer Lotion Tyson Chandler and guys who have bounced around a lot Ben mclemore and get a rivalry anytime the clippers the Lakers play so that would make sense and their players are under huge amounts of pressure. This is the most questions Lebron has had to answer in a decade one very soon and the depth is is big in a regular season it's just the way it goes especially in this western conference and so and I think part part defense just being dedicated to it and thinking you're after and that's that's a huge part of it and I'm kind of high on trade win it put up a good fight in the finals that's a that's a lot of pressure to suddenly just keep being great and again that honest contract situation I know he's trying to down just too good even the western conference it's like if those guys are healthy it's really hard to see them missing out on a top four seat for me basically he's coming off the first major injury of his career at the Lakers obviously didn't make the playoffs he was showing up two games with glasses of red wine wasn't exactly looking like a stellar leader out there and you gotta window for for a championship and this feels like it's closing on on on the rockets Westbrook kind of props open because he's new and fresh but he's GonNa be thirty yeah you're right the injury to Lebron completely derailed or season and even how they were building that team and their strategy again like not those expectations this year I mean yeah they won sixty games last year yeah they won their first postseason series in eighteen years no one cares now it's now basically finals or bust I think for the bucks season they've got a especially with Lebron having a couple months off and being healthy at least a finished the season missing the playoffs for the first time in over a decade and Anthony Davis huge blow to your citizen that's probably a problem that's a good one I'm going to go with the bucks as a team under pressure for a couple of regions reasons they're they're ridiculously I actually hope he stays there but he would not be the first star to say something like that that Hey I'm going to be here for the long haul I wanna be here forever and then want out because inch window for them with no Lebrun in the east no co I now in the East no K. D. for a season in the east it's it's there and they really in my opinion all right that's fair but we were also saying that about the Lakers last year like ask the question on the season preview show and I got laughed at like Lakers their lock to make the playoffs well pull down play it he's doing the right thing he's saying the right thing you know he's he was basically saying it's disrespectful to his teammates to talk about his free agency so he wasn't going to that's good and they didn't bring back Malcolm Brogdon thought probably a little you know little too rich for their blood at eighty-five million and we're GONNA see how that works out maybe it's the right call maybe the we've talked he's told the media that it's disrespectful I'm going to be here I don't WanNa talk about it Jaanus has never told a lie he's they could be in big trouble because the Lakers we know historically one of the greatest franchise that we hear all about when Dr Jerry Buss was the only missed the playoffs twice and you know in the last six years they've been not just a bad Wesley Matthews Kyle Korver fat content degen's Oh they can step up and sort of fill the role that brogden played for them but maybe not so there's pressure because that contender in the clippers just sort of amps up the pressure even more I think they're not not only are they trying to prove that they're one of the best teams Lee they're trying to prove to the best team in La for crying out loud the best team in season here of of that sixty work of a team that should be in contention for a title as long as that keeps happening. I'm I totally buy honest and saying I get it adjustment is Jaanus get better get imperfect I mean he he is he's so good it's just like we said earlier skyhook a Dinka trump something something within four feet because he's going to get to within four feet of the rim he just has to find a way I'm going to take a small little qualm with something you said though skeets yeah implemented plan and it works great before teams have a chance to adjust to it that's fine but he needs to show that he has something else win teams now go okay we know what the bucks are going to do the and have to go to the finals to to really try to keep the momentum going those little building blocks to then ultimately kion as happy so I go box yeah and interesting with Mike Zero wants the raptors made one adjustment booed knows it didn't really seem to have one himself and they lost four games in a row from there so it shows the boot and holes if he glasses with Milwaukee like all of a sudden bud bowl works really really well will that work again this season we'll be able to replicate that and get the same results because I think what you saw up until our leading the raptors walls around vaginas they're saying hey we're not letting anybody talk about signing on us he's the next big name that's going to be available at some point so even if the bucks are talking about it's bad yeah Agnete fans last year if you're going to be one of the best teams in the league you can't necessarily just rely on rehabilitating guys so you gotta bring in Kyrie Irving you gotta bring Kevin Durant even who's the best player in the League we're not talking MVP's here just straight up in your opinion who is the best player in the League as we either as L. play all the other teams in the eastern conference including the sixers including the Celtics and raptors and whoever else maybe jumps up into that upper echelon in eastern they gotta put a battle or at least good fight maybe makes sense to stay there for crying out loud if you really truly believe you could win a title and that's it does feel like that's what that guy wants to do so that's going to be their best plan but if they take a step back Lakers bucks I'm with you guys do think something we touched on earlier this week was the nets traded culture for start how does that pay off you gotTa have talent to win big in the NBA The glee was saying and and you know it's just it's not as smooth sailing as it was then the then you start thinking of like well maybe that that team over there's a little bit better can hold onto because remember when he came to the Hawks and sort of caught a lot of teams that incredible season and then never able to sort of get back to that level that's kind of what happened goal is to win big in the NBA. So I think it's the right move to lose your death to lose the homegrown flavor I guess that was that made everybody such Erik Spoelstra was eventually able to do in Miami we will see we will see all right our next question this was always fun I saw Trotsky is on the seat on the streets of Greasy never said that this Louis Louis Vuitton bag is real he never said that it was fake he from chances to win and title that's just what happens with these guys but again hopefully he does stay in Milwaukee for the long run trade you have an answer for this win or are you sort of going either he's lock closer to the the best player or the best player but because if we're talking with regular season I we've seen he's drops off a little bit on the defensive and he needs to chill out a bit so he drops off what's the best player in the League right sure to to me Lebron is you know one a or one B if we're just talking to playoff series and it's just one guy then ticket buying up that proves patients is more than just a virtue it can save you some serious cash game time is the leader in last minute Everybody the regular season matters agree or disagree with that I got I share I think Lebron made his case as being the best player in the league the last five seasons on the open spread the floor so you can go inside and if he doesn't go inside he throws it at two shooters so teams are GonNa be ready for that this year booed nausea has to show that he's got a plan B base he's a real authentic guy I don't know what I'm saying pretty funny that the bucks of already been fine for tampering with their own players we're going to give him the Max maybe things don't go as planned and the Bucks Front office the pressure they're under they made some decisions right they recite blow back. Chris Middleton Brook Lopez's George Hill you're gonNA miss a season but it will have an impact for sure how how strong is the culture in Brooklyn is Kenny Atkinson that great of a coach he's getting everybody to buy immediately offensively then Yannis so I would go with him and then in a playoff series it's a totally different scenario right and Kevin Durant not being around eliminates him so it's probably can't even say his name to him he's like thirty four you're in the best wall to build around him though I truly believe is to prove to him again like a back you know back to Max yes we're taking we're taking Katie out of the equation here so you go you go coli one youngest too and then Lebron three with your criteria like you're saying okay enter the two thousand nine hundred twenty season or by the end of it if you want to project that who will be the best player I think he had a set criteria okay regular season is important I think when the strength of his playoff performances everybody knows and he would take breaks during the regular season he took a two week break then performed in the playoffs everybody's still considers them the best player in the League we just watched Leonard He wants because he missed twenty games or you're gonNA have a quantum about that I'm fine with it because he can play seven games Kerry team on both ends and a little bit more skilled to me below the giant Yannis level okay right now right now that's not quite pick away because he can carry a team offensively and defensively paired up now you can't say that we're going to hit you with fifty grand fine up I mean John horsemeat general managers yeah that doesn't really make sense no dominate the playoffs sing- single handedly but he dragged the raptors to a championship if he's not there it's not a title so to me he is easily the best player in the league even if he doesn't play close to eighty two games he's playing seventy if he's performing and just being the way that we're expecting I think he is the guy after that though I'm still backed Lebron I assume he's going to be performing in the until proven otherwise he is right now the best player in the League because when he's out there he's efficient on offense just gets whatever shot he sort of wants and can knock it down with some pretty solid consistency and then he he is when when needed he can be that lockdown defender he can take out some of the best player do that this season perhaps he overtakes him right how many how many games do you think on replace this season like he does he play more than sixty place similar to sixties does he and then I still remember task saying on the show last season the Raptors won the championship by beating the bucks 'cause nobody really thought that we're going to go all the way and knock off the warriors and they did that's what I think he can do but I just don't think he wants to win to give a speech as much but he's also sacrificing defensive player of the year by not playing twenty games and we know he play sixty minute worked for him last season maybe he just thinks I'm GonNa do that again probably has maybe it's up to twenty games on the schedule circle because Fox he looked a little gas than those first against particularly in game two in Milwaukee killed them and then basically he was the difference in that series by playing defense on Yannis and then even that a guy like Anthony Davis has never played with he's GonNa show up big time in the playoffs it's pretty funny to see what why did last season where he basically just said I'm just not even playing these twenty games as of how the previous week of games affects them right yes the science behind everything that they're doing and that's what happened to how many do you play last year I get sixty actually does value that award so I think overall sees a championship you guys at Windsor Wind Finals. MVP hard to go past him as the best player if Janas and then he goes out and wins the championship because he's setting himself up to really be killed if the raptors let's say Dan one zero against the magic let's say they lose that series and it'll be like I'm in further into the playoffs game four and Philadelphia was huge where he hit that big shot right at the end of the game that kind of won that game and then of course the game seven he hits that big shot against the I didn't even WanNa play this season you know and look what happened the team couldn't get any continuity before early it's because the raptors had a good record when he was playing it would have been a huge story yeah right right so if he's feeling good maybe does play a few more if he feels that he's GonNa play twenty odd games in the playoffs to get to that point mark then then maybe he doesn't I think given his age and given the situation from what we saw from Koalas and I think I think I mentioned earlier if he wants MVP he could go out and win that's do they aim to play over seventy over seventy for me please seventy spot on actually something like that right around there yet I thought seventy one okay even a third finals MVP with his third different team where does he start landing on the NBA's all time list like that is goes flying up in the NBA or at at least neutralize them when he's given that task and he just never fouls I mean he never found that these guys which is really under aided part of his defense I think so yeah I'm agreeing with you guys here I wanted to throw this out you could have been thinking about it with this guy wins a third title sure right like really really high think no one's one of three from three different teams in the finals Mvp not finals MVP and you know no no sixty seventy two he's going to play more than last season and why blame on your removed from the injury you know that whatever he wants to place is how many that's going to be I think the seventy fifth anniversary of the NBA They did the fiftieth anniversary in Cleveland they did the top fifty players of all time you would assume we're going to get the top seventy five current players represented there like will be there Lebron is a lock if he's still playing no doubt durant probably there's of all time like we'll get like an updated lists or obviously adding twenty five players I don't know how they're going to do it but I was like which if that happens it's include ah sort of this goes hand in hand with this the All Star game head to Cleveland in I believe twenty twenty two right because we got Chicago then it's Indiana and then Cleveland Twenty twenty two th back there sensiti raptors aren't they yeah that's right you know is only twenty eight I'm with you agreeing with you guys by the way I do think we live fish off the raptors were five hundred or below five hundred team in those games wasn't playing for load management but they weren't they were awesome yeah and then if you look doc if he's still playing like Steph is Westbrook and heart and like I was like how many how many current players in a couple of years if they're still going and obviously a great contribution Marcus Larynx Yakim but Kawai was the difference the different both ends of the floor so I agree on the same managing the L. A. Playoff series La versus La 'cause I mean there's home playoff advantage diminished a little bit because you're playing the exact same arena again halftime of the All Star game they bring all the legends and legends him there leather jacket right right doors but I was like who are going to be the are on that top seventy five time and where it is co is sort of like is quiet given I think yeah I imagined becomes the mercenary in and does it in back to back seasons going from Toronto and then going to go into the clippers winning title and probably winning finals. MVP that is current league so I would imagine they'll be there yeah it'll be hopefully we get that in two thousand twenty two but yeah he's going if if quite does this I mean especially I can't imagine if he so on let us know Hashtag no dunks or on twitter at no Dunks Inc that's no Dunks Inc let's get to our little intermission break here we've been having fun with these some stories from summer stories from all of you guys jd you're up here today I wanNa know what you got up to the summer yeah well not much to be honest I mean you know so because of that I had to go back every three months to get checked for the full body exam right which is always so the Lakers have to get ready in the visitor's locker room and not their own locker room yeah they should absolutely have to lock the doors of their Lakers offers made made it a point to cover up the Lakers clippers home games if the Lakers catch sight of that they might be upset so right you're saying if on the schedule Yes but this time this last time we're going through everything in my boxers he he an awkward situation the good news is there's been nothing so now I go to six months okay but on my last visit there you know the guy on the table at one point he's doing my back he's you know he's common through my beard which is weird pain in the ass so right and then he says gotta look between the cheeks and this is new it's go anywhere but I the previous summer I had a little melanoma taken off my belly right so so let's hear from you guys with Alan Best Player in the League you think it's collide do you think it's still think it's Lebron maybe it's the honest maybe it's one of these big Joel embiid or Anthony we didn't know where we were GONNA be living or if we were going to have jobs so just kind of took it easy at the old house thinking about this question of the anyone not gonna say Lebron because it's still he still has that power draw that it's like you want the ball in his hands at the end of the Games but he's got to fly up the list I don't know where he falls I'm not GonNa Bill Simmons and I'm not gonNA throw some crazy numbers I just don't know right now but man isn't going to be high of course a quick question is there a home quarter and I don't know if top my head that first game like who actually has homecourt advantage circuiting night isn't it yeah but who's got the home court advantage the clippers that's down to my butt and he had not done this the four times before he takes my boxers and eases them down way better that's way better than having a grown man stare at your anus like up close yeah it's just I was I've never felt more self conscious in my life he doesn't touch me but he's just really close looking at every single square inch of my body and he's looking for moles very strange looking moles the first one and it was just like why why hasn't he yet and why is this all of a sudden a thing right so basically he told me by the time nothing well no cancer there I don't know really you got to go into the straight up visitor's locker it's only fair that's only going to say that for the playoffs that's that's exactly right look ahead all right I and I am actually good for you I'm proud of him and he walks in Dan and it was very Odd An odd sensation I was like you already done this couple times you definitely expect it's not much better now than I think about it just a couple of quick things that happen this summer TMI no doubt but I lost both of my big toe nails summer story the highlight literally the highlight of my son how honestly so it's in the back seat of his word F. One fifty so he goes was to change locker rooms de la Lakers changes like the banners it doesn't matter it does not matter you can get it anywhere we had a woman in here who had a melanoma one centimeter from her yeah actually and it's pretty serious but anyways as has thinking like I've had the prostate thing yeah late for the way more self conscious about him looking at your anus then your front uh Amos that made me feel weird that he said that violation of a forty two year old account podcasts why our good friends at head gum actually jake from Jake and Amir fame he's one of the guys on it I've never played dungeons and dragons I don't know how to play it take a bunch of grown men around attending yes sorry yet but it's actually ever played with a girl Dr Chris Good Guy That's his first name last name that's his first name I have no idea what is lost I named Chris Chris Young Guy Good looking they're gone memorium we can put it in Memoriam w great this whole thing is alive read for Web on Hey we have pretty good impor- anyway so on this four times he knows he knows my body better than you do The other thing is I was pretty bored I gotta be honest this summer because we were off a little earlier because we were looking for the job and all that as like running out of that yeah I play basketball the Kobe herky-jerky stop and go I don't know what it is but you're narrow feet don't help your it they don't say security issues I got a got to have a look so he's spreads my cheeks and he's assertive leaves them for a minute and it was just not a minute it was really felt like an hour pretty funny and it was they're really creative in regards to building this story that they're just making up for the most part on the spot NBA podcast to listen to and other podcasts so I started listening to a dungeons and dragons on cast called non another and people know that I'm a big runner people think oh it's from running all time your shoes don't fit it's never from running it's always from basketball so it's the development I guess it's not really a summer store of a false story since we've been here in Toronto most you guys know the setup here Jd Empire in Toronto because of our visas we gotta wait till I work visas summer I went to Guatemala for a week the only thing you know great time it was my buddy grisham fortieth birthday party we had a blast but never been to Guatemala and I saw an active we know where it's going but it's one of those ones that like is generally always go active yeah it's amazing it's incredible just finally this is a very recent come out and you're just like I don't know I'm just like should we be scared like we worried here like slow we've probably got time to get out of here but like are GonNa be quite a few guys shack was in the top fifty players of all time right need played badly they look to the future and while while looking at the it I have a rough idea of what it is on board game and all that and the dice sort of game and role playing but it's fascinating this podcast it's just like oh it's really well written it's not bad but I will say and I'm sure I'm not the first to note this but they're always wearing but it's pretty it was I got like fifteen episodes in these are like three hour episodes yeah like I was putting them back now live in that world character it's actually for the first time so watching frazier their unseasoned six straight L. Frazier I've never watched frazier I honestly I know what the the the nail just doesn't grow and then it eventually falls off so they're gone forever they never know they will grow back I've had this like six times now it's happens all time Chris served pusher toenails so but I think unfortunately probably now that the season is starting it's like I just don't have time so I've got to pick up it into that my son listened to the adventures zone which again is four hours three it's unreal unbelievable it's unbelievable so yeah I'll have to pick that up again the episode seventy five eighty something like that though I did go to see a live show as well too they were in Atlanta that's why this sort of inspired me to support j. saw the live shows like this actually pretty despite my kids ever had was over dnd because my youngest son wanted to call his character David Brent swingle back to the states and team up with the guys in Atlanta but we're here I'm staying with my buddy can can and marge and they have their deep into rewatching that some he's because I said hey the sun doesn't shine they're never like oh no no no no no active volcanoes go off for the first time a scared Adamy nice it it's it's scaring like that night seeing like a red lava so just keep an very casual so that's always ready to get examined that's what I guess so I guess so anyway I just got one question dramatic stories between cheeks to Hughes Punchy video shows no we're not starting dungeons and dragons now I actually some details on a show that we're dropping very very soon we'll come a little bit later in the show robes on frazier I swear to God I've watched four or five episodes and there's always a senior to where multiple people are in bathrobes exactly thank you test the what's the I got to try that tied technique what's your what's it called again what do you call it when you go around the task he'll he'll try and the technical term but right so those are gone I mean what happens is they get they get smushed or get stepped on and then the blood forms underneath and then the do this year between two cheeks all right let's get to the next question dropping off all right guys I guess I'm pretty sure this is our final all I can see right now is just like Zach Galifianakis between two ferns I can C. J. D. having people come in and give their medical situations actly shadow too hard one foot that's JAS or big big giant guy he doesn't lose his nails no he I'm just like how much work I know it seems like exhausting yeah but it's sentiments before all four thank you oh Geez yeah yeah before we do that I mean Chris haring five three eight he had a great article on what signed Williamson is even doing in the preseason yes it's preseason for a little bit until they go back and you can call that were talking about the AH I saw this John Shuman would be the only one crazy crazy enough to do this throughout the preseason but he's been tracking lineups is joe is of people consider him the original podcast. I guess I'm now watching Frazier and I've picked it up at like season six true Roy Schwartz sometimes they're all right let's try okay new podcast coming James and he's shooting seventy one percent right now from the field it is pretty amazing yeah fifth and scoring apparently and ninety nine he was the closest with like Nineteen Point Six but Zion is averaging in the present so so far twenty three points per game six boards to assist in twenty seven minutes a night that's across four eh five has ridiculous plus minus numbers rather than the four and the three that kind of worries me for the Pelicans playoff chances if there's they insisted Cali saying I'm calling David Brent it's GonNa be hilarious because it's always wasn't turn out so the only the doctor's office at this time this doctor he's not in the lobby if they're tinkering if they're trying to figure that out but sign at the five is very very interesting rather than him playing with Derrick favors clogging up the lanes just imagine Zion Williamson with an open lane right else I assume he'll make the playoffs and like we've been saying he actually has a chance to rest here we've never seen Lebron coming off an entire summer arrest I imagine he's going to be energized especially to be playing with WHO cares I get it but over the past twenty years Chris Herring wrote no rookie has finished their preseason campaign averaging more than twenty points per game St Francis was the closest back in mm-hmm awards question who wins rookie of the year is it is it is everybody going on Williamson is a no-brainer or are you going to convince us of someone else I can't no neither can I yeah Zion here who the second rookie of the year is almost the bigger question I feel like John Looks Great the Senate buried up on you embarrassed let's get back to the question let's get back to question to hold on hold on one last thing one last thing where I know we're trying a lot of new things this year who is like that trae who's who second sue is going to be the trae young really this year I'm fired up about tyler hero getting buzz as the next I gotta say pretty entertaining holds up it's a ton of a war it's always wanting more for definitely like that type of Sitcom show every single night like those numbers say the guy is absolutely unstoppable with the finesse and the touch of a guard and you're not getting great odds Edina is you can't do that and almost came to blows I'll say again it listening to that it is amazing the the game master that runs it Argonne Zion Williamson yeah minus one thirty so he is by far the favourite but but let's if he doesn't get injured it's tough it really sort of tough not to to see him winning this thing August do on skates comes on we can make to toenails I like that way back in the day when we were at Ryerson was the sports stars Klay Thompson he just recently had a game where square the first fourteen for the Miami Heat who knows if he's going to be of a keep getting open throughout the NBA season if he's going to be able to have the confidence playing as a rookie pulling off the dribble hitting these deep threes by his jumper looks nice that's like a severe wrist flick he's got you must love it leave I do that thing snapped foyer then summer you said you lost to toenail Yes yes my big your nickname is now eight been down the guy looks like he's going to be a flame thrower from day one so it looks like a fun guy to watch speaking of flying throws the rookies the Celtics rookie last night cast net with eight threes and a quarter and I got a check on getting Christobal my head so I'm face down uh-huh yeah he looked great but he's not GonNa win rookie of the he's not GonNa light up that sort of stuff but I guess that John Moran in I can't keep track of the days man those yeah I wasn't yeah yeah right yeah flying it's yeah yeah that's right and awfully here in Toronto Raptors fans during the playoffs last year they had the big thing where they were meeting up in bars to watch the games like huge viewing parties and we're GONNA run away with this which is great I am so so excited for opening night Pelicans Raptors and then Lakers Clippers Oh my God I love it I love it in points a game as a rookie. You'RE GONNA get a lot of hyper rookie of the year I guess I sort of have to lean into putting a little bit on Kobe as well because all it on the bullets which is where it seems like Barrett thrives I don't know if he's going to enjoy creating for your Julius randle and Taj Gibson so just let it fly get some buckets if you're in New York score and I love for for an RJ for another game boy j Barrett or what about Michael Porter Jr. He is technically rookie much is he gonNA play that's that's a fair question I think in Yeah I think I think he he's a sorta takes on out of it and I think he would be a red hot favourite to win this award a lot of great names in this class Mikhael Alexander Walker it's first time it's pretty cool at the Raptors of course getting the rings and get to celebrate the championship that will be thinking about. I think what's happening is Kobe we'll get a little bit of love and hopefully get that beef jerky endorsement that I'm pushing for already I'm going to become his agent I think yeah but Zion is you got what two teams you got in the end clippers over sixers for me clippers over sixers I'm saying bucks over a hat breezy then glee I might even have budweiser I just as you said what was his nickname the other day long game nickname did you give him lung Nikki and we're looking ahead I don't know some two hundred and fifty plus podcasts here guys what is your finals prediction that's totally fair he's got the ball in his hands a lot sprinkle on rj if you're crazy sprinkle on rj he's probably gonNA put up big numbers imagine they'll give him every opportunity to have the ball in his hand have you sprinkle boiling winning coach the ear for crying out loud I'd better have the rookie point guard playing well if I do think the Bulls are going to go from twenty two wins to something like forty two and so ball ball in late two I'm interested to see he'll play this season Oh that's another goal okay so yes zyban jaw no in Denver of the rotation so deep is even going to be in the rotation to start I would sprinkle I wouldn't sprinkle the dollars you can sprinkle on job GonNa continue it at least for opening night here with the raptors so no I might instead go to the bar to watch the games go to about what your sporting event yeah also kind of nickel that's exactly I forgot sorry I forget that I don't have the front of me right now but yeah exactly that's where it was from coins it's good to see heard really crazy we start the cash showed the kids so I looked dea doing it right so yeah Zion lean heavily but there's a it should be a pretty good rookie class by the looks of it again okay next question burs over sixers as well wow yeah I don't know Lee now that you mentioned Paul George is Super Heavily involved in love picking against that guy came back he wasn't able to really recapture the forms at a long time to get ready and he's still not right so that may be a factor but I give me uh-huh by yourself every once in a while I have you ever tried have you ever eaten deer Yes d- of innocent I want to say the nuggets let me say the man box over nuggets wow what a crazy you kidding haven't seen a dear goodness okay so Maryetta I mean Yeah Maryetta Brown Jaylen Brown trey we got the FI ooh it's a new era in the NBA. It's a new era for your boys got see things differently clippers over sixers okay I've got a new one or a different one from you guys little bit at least give you books I'm also walks and I got them taken on the Lakers S. eight excuse me yeah you know what just the other day in Marietta here in Atlanta Georgia I was driving back and honestly four dea ran across the ago when with these two guys first off what do you least looking forward to about this coming season well it started off it started off with all this controversy with China and I know there's a lot more important things rather than basketball at stake here but the listen you'll spoil you not then bro Jd you not having a budweiser drinking budweiser zone they can they can that supporting cast them enough obviously I think yes obviously I think yes but man is this is is very very difficult it it's very very never show Allen I just I'm just thinking like Paul George is already injured lassie's more than any other year to get this right or or have any real confidence in your final specs because it feels it feels like there's seven teams that I think you could you could talk I think this is going to be it's going to be forgotten in regards to the NBA season. I I think that once the game start and these guys to brush under the carpet what the actual if you know what I mean do you what did what did you think of Lebron's comments did you find them clumsy course when when money's involved it clearly changes people's opinions and attitudes and that's that's really what it is here it's like is money more important than just thinking about Jalil okafor basically okay yeah yeah I know but I'm excited say he's got nice handle already pretty explosive Saying his remarks that I truly believe were a little clumsy and to the point where you had to then tweet sort of clarification immediately after he now says I'm not talking about it along get Nikki I saw people on twitter saying Nicki I was trying to push people were calling them Nicky dimes which is Kinda Nice little ring to it I just hope this is not something clouds the entire season you know whatever whatever the situation is because no one really knows the right answer no one really knows the right thing walks we've given you the blogs but to into to being there in the finals unlike other previous seasons or the last couple of years where it's like yeah that one team at least or maybe even both these teams are there all right we are almost done here a few more questions before when you're asking people who have got enormous financial interest in that country then then clearly their answer is compromised in Lebron says he's done now after sort of yeah I'm done and

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REShow: Bryan Cranston. Hour 3 (12-02-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

59:28 min | 7 months ago

REShow: Bryan Cranston. Hour 3 (12-02-20)

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Metcalf is the human chunk place from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles cia dunis one time but like chunk is a little fat kid berg earlier on this show football hall of famer tony dungy host of good morning football kyle branch coming up at bryan cranston and now it's chump served. Three of the rich eisen show on the air bryan cranston's gonna be calling in in a matter of moments his new show. Your honor is starting on showtime This sunday night at ten eastern time. I can't wait to have a great chat with bryan cranston and also thank him for the for the free jews. He's got a new mess. Cow right as guy. Okay dose hombres mets gal. He and aaron paul from breaking bad together of created this This disgraced to drink. I guess and we've got a free bottle here and we'll be talking about with bryan cranston as we get set for wednesday afternoon football to wrap up week twelve six days after they were part of the tripleheader to start it ravens. Steelers going down the commissioner just Commissioner roger goodell just had a conference call. We will get you the latest of what the commissioner had to say in that conference call later on in this hour My alma mater michigan in the news certainly because of curb said last night and then retracted about waving the white flag against the ohio state university. They're supposed to play next week. because Vid is finally Unfortunately in ann arbor michigan michigan had been virtually cleared a nut. Virtually totally clear zero of covid up to this point. Michigan's game against maryland. Marilyn's game against michigan. This week has been canceled. Michigan pauses practice until next monday. That was announced today. And i'll be honest with you You know state got canceled canceled its game against illinois last week and been cancellations all over the place as you know part of the reason why the big ten cent we don't. We don't think we should be planning. It's very difficult and then a college campus to handle the business this way and so. That's the latest on that front. Lebron james a two year contract contract extension worth eighty five million bucks that has happened today and The lakers are are set to say the least. He and anthony davis be together for at least Till the end of that contract once. Anthony davis response at the lakers to the number of his liking and that by the way season is tipping off in that. Be today's december second twenty days. Another christmas schedule got leaked yesterday. What are you have. I missed that by the way. Oh you missed it. Yes so there's five games on a lot yesterday. Five games on christmas. Pelicans he kick it off. Warriors bucks nets celtics. Mavericks lakers seems to be the headline their papers versus lakers. I like as nuggets clippers nuggets do. I'm sorry i mean lab. I mean i m laughing about. I don't mean to laugh at me you do. I don't mean to laugh is just meaningless. When you're laughing as with all due respect by the way. The number of people that sent me the release the juliana no. We don't talk news on the show. Giuliani center release out after the attorney. General of the united states said that there was no systemic fraud found in the elections. The reason why number people sent me releases. It began with with all due. Respect to the attorney. General are we have. We become known as the with all due respect i to go and happy bad. I mean i'm happy to do as you know saying with all due respect allows you to say anything you want. That's disrespectful long as you say it. I don't kennedy in salt and then doesn't work close with all. There is no ad hoc with all due respect. Now you have to say it first that allows you the free reign. You can't be thoroughly disrespectful. Finish your sentence and go with all due respect right horses out of the bun. Yeah started with what. If you're truly trying to be disrespectful then do put it at the end. Out as just as a as as one last bleep you right but but the problem with that is is it it it. It ruins the phrase for the rest of us that are trying to say something disrespectful and get away with it because we have preempted with with all due respect of course because sometimes. I want to be disrespectful. So i'm trying to figure out how to you know i don't know that doesn't that's kinda like matt nagy saying have some frigging self respect like you know. I mean i don't buy. I don't buy that. You're trying to be disrespectful. United disrespectful human being. You don't have a disrespectful bone in your body. Wow i must have full jude. Some common now teach tj. I dislike allotted things. I know you dislike but the disrespecting two totally different story we also have a couple of poll questions up on our On our at richeisenshow site chris. What do you have over there. Yeah the nfl one is really. It's really close. Yes which current. Nfc wildcard team. Are you lease concerned about meaning. Do you have concerns about. I kinda word that poorly but rams bucks cardinals dead even rams and bucks thirty four percent cardinals thirty one percent. That's a neck and neck and neck. Yeah i voted for the rams cow brandon. I also voted for the rams. I i don't know how the bucks are gonna pull it together and who knows me. They only have. Tom brady for crying out loud this year. I know so that was also maybe wishful thinking on our part about the the is naked gun. Sports was that. I didn't actually put it up. I'll do right now. I mean literally a third of the naked gun which came out on this date in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight eight. A third of it is of shot at dodger stadium. Although i think they shot it somewhere else didn't we. We had one of the directors on saying they shot. I think at angel stadium or something like that but it did look like frank. Jevon was giving his epiphany at the very end of the very moving soliloquy to make sure his his lovely girlfriend wasn't gonna shoot him. This is after ricardo montalban. Raghad awful death by getting stomped on by the usc march banned any rate long story short. That was dodger stadium. That is the pavilion of dodger stadium at the end of that movie. Now here on the rich eisen show back here segue. You can't make a second. It's kind of like those those news. Those news programs. You see on cnn where it's just an awful story and like hey did you see this video of a panda. You just make the transition at any rate He's one of my favorite guests I love everything that he is in. And i'm not just saying that because he's on. Hold listening to me Set up his appearance here phoning in to the rich eisen show in advance of your honor. I saw the first episode of your honor last night And it premiers on showtime for the rest of the country to see sunday ten p. m. eastern time the great bryan cranston. Back here on the show. How are you sir. I'm good rich. It's good to talk to you. It is good to talk to you too. So what have you seen of your. How have you been spending your your quarantine. Did you catch the world series. You what are you what are you what are you doing. I guess in your spare time bryant. It's been a little crazy year. Hasn't it has I my wife. And i actually got cova back in march very early on. We were very fortunate that that are symptoms were mild and got through it without too much difficulty out of my heart. Goes out to everyone who is suffering greatly right Then we had the you know the shutdown for all that time Sports was strange. It wasn't it still is kind of strange My dodgers finally getting to that pinnacle place after thirty two years was certainly I was weeping. seeing it come to fruition finally And it's been a good year for la sports. The lakers dominated When they needed to and You know god but it's just crazy and we need. We need some socializing and some hugs. I think our whole society just needs a good hug. Well what brian. You're you're you're not wrong. You're spot on right there. And you know watching that world series this year and seeing somebody like clayton kershaw celebrate after all those years and you know and all these young players just finally put it all together with mukhi bats dodger fans that have been you know wish that they could actually been in dodger stadium to see it or maybe had an opportunity to be one of those few fans in the state of texas but I'm sure again. You said you had tears in your eyes watching that you know. Well that's how interesting it was that the la sports fans didn't get a chance to see their lakers or their dodgers in person to win their championships. Such a strange thing. But isn't it weird. How we started getting used to empty stadiums whether it's football basketball baseball you you. Then just hyper focus on the game. Well i think the reason why that is and i mentioned it last week. Know on a thanksgiving show i am mandated as a host of a show like this when i talk about the sports things. I'm thankful for in a segment that The athletes performing without the fans as if there are fans there and it meaning that much more to them and still putting it out all on. The line makes me as a sports fan. Forget about that. There's no fans in the stands just watching the competition. It looked the same. You know what. I'm saying. Just saying how much it meant to everybody. Then you fast forward to last weekend by the way. I have an announcement to make. I got a call from the denver broncos. They want me. How house your arm brian. Who brings certain savvy to the position. Though brian right. I mean you know what i mean. You do to bring a certain. You know old school clashed bryan cranston here on the rich eisen show up so before we get to your honor. I want to thank you for this bottle of dose hombres that i'm holding in my hand right here You got it good. Oh my gosh. Yeah i mean And this is something you and aaron paul from back in your day from breaking bad You put this together and tell me what i should do with this. How should i. How should i serve it brian. I mean it is so flexible. If you like a little smokey scotch you drink. You can drink it. Neat isn't one or two fingers or iraq in their little. Fresh lime squeezed in But it mixes so well i. I made a watermelon drink the other night. That's fantastic muddled watermelon with a little lemon little squirt of simple syrup and does raise meskel especially those umbrellas is just. It's just justice. Amazing amazing spirit and we're doing exceptionally well with it and we're exponentially and we're very proud of it and happy for a week it in good health and share it. I think we sent you a couple bottles. That's the one. I'm holding in case you do have the manifest on you Is a batch h zero one onto a bottle twenty-seven ninety-three could scratch that off your manifest bottle twenty seven ninety three one of our best. Thank you twenty. Seven ninety two was a little wasn't quite there. Twenty seven eighty three. Ask tastic and so Just a couple of questions about this. We just saw some photographs associated with the The promotion of it Should i drink it in a double breasted blazer while holding a bunny rabbit brian. You know it. It can't hurt. You know it won't help your street cred with french cuffs to regular cuffs. Okay i'm looking at it right very nice young. It looks like it goes down smooth and then Sorry no go no no and and does it does. It does it. Pair well with low spoils or mono steals hombres. Yes it does my friend It's it's fantastic. In fact i think. I gotta find a place just to to make To have taco house. I i wanna have a restaurant where it just serve these amazing tacos. That's always serve and guacamole and chips and the street. Tacos that is corn tortillas. And you fold omitting. There's fish and shrimp and and beef and pork and chicken. And whatever you want. It's not expensive and and you couple that with some great those umbrellas. Yes oh my god. You're a business. Well if you do open the taco place brian. If you don't mind me just spitballing here. i think the The you should hire somebody in a yellow button down shirt With glasses who's a a front man and also a pillar in the community. Think that'd be a good idea that'd be the that'd be the way to go and leaving go solar wonder what really is working on behind the scenes of the taco place. Whatever that guy shows up everything turns the shit. But that's when things begin to get more interesting. You know what i'm saying if you're on your couch waterway. Not a. that's not a good sign and before he moved to your car project you know. I'm a total Fan of of breaking bad and also do you watch better call saul just like the rest of us. Having no idea what's going on. You have no inside information you just sit back and watch it unfold just like the rest of us xactly exactly right. In fact you know vince. Gilligan is become a good friend of mine. And i'm again this weekend But i tell him. I don't let it slip. Don't tell me anything that's going on. I do not want to know and and he speaks miles Yeah i'm better call saul fan. I'm i'm looking forward to their their final season. Coming up I think they're gonna start shooting in in march so it's going to be a little while before their premier again. Okay so when. There is a pause in any conversation with vince Can can can can. Can you think of me at that very moment and you can you. Can you bring up about you. Being part of that final season can you can. I mean i don't how does it come up. How do we make this happen. How do we make this happen brian. I think fans want that more than i do. I okay like i. I'll tell so satisfied with the conclusion. And what happened to walter white that it's like you know he's dead let let it let him rest and then he pitched me and he said Hey brianna i'm gonna continue on with the with jesse pink and you know what happens to him and el camino as is. You won't be in it. And i and i said do you want me in it. And he goes i really do. I have a couple of ideas on run by. I said vince. You don't even have to run the idea by me. I'm in you want me that i'm in and So we did that under the cloak of darkness right. Nobody knew i was in it. Nobody knew i was even in albuquerque For two days. I snuck in shot at and snuck back out. So you wouldn't mention it on the rich eisen show is basically what you're saying even if saudi been discussed is basically what you're saying bryan. It's exactly what well tell you your behavior again. bottled twenty-seven ninety three is gonna get cracked open. 'cause you know the second to last episode of better call saul this past season where You know saul jimmy mcgill and avi in An erm trout are in the desert was an absolute breaking bad episode. I mean that was close to the original as as better call saul has gotten. That was incred brian. Yeah and being the consummate performer. That is i told. Bob i said i hope that was real urine drinking out there in the desert. Don't tell me that you faked that you got a drink your urine or you are not a a real actor and what was the. What was his response. Brian nice unlimited now. Very good yeah. That's pulling back the curtain. Let's talk about your current day. I made sure was unsweetened. It's close to the real thing as possible Let's talk about your honor it. I saw the first episode last night in advance of it premiering and i. I don't know if the word intense even gives it the proper treatment. You playing a judge of the highest reputation whose son gets into some considerable trouble and then everything ensues from there. I'd love to just give you the floor as to what people should expect from this show. And and what what drew you to it brian. Well it drew me in with the premise My son who is grieving at the loss of his mom was a year anniversary of her passing and he's an asthmatic and he's driving away from where she was killed and he's upset they can't get a hold of his inhaler and it fell on the floor and he gets into an accident and he hits a kid on a motorcycle in the kid dies at the scene. My son who is trembling and trying to get the air itself panics and leaves the scene of the accident well he knows it was a mistake but it's too late. I get home from my work. And i know he's upset any confesses to me. What happened and i say to him in all that dread we have to do the right thing we have to turn you in or else your soul will forever be stained so he goes i understand and so we drive them to the police station about two them in. I say wait in the car. Let me set this up. And i'll come get you and as hard as that even that would be to turn your own son into authorities to go through the system To be tried for a hit and run. Oh while i'm there. I noticed to people who are grieving and the husband and wife and find out from one of the policemen in there that those are the parents of the boy who was killed and my heart goes out to them but i also notice and recognize. The man is d- notorious gangster of all of louisiana and guy would find my son and kill him without question in my mind so i realized at that moment that impulsive decision making has to be made and at that moment i decide. I'm not doing this. I can't just let my son become a sitting duck. And i walk out of the police station. My son thinks oh. It's time to go in. So he gets out of the car. And i tell them get back in the car. Were leaving. no dad. You're right we should turn to get back in the car. And i tell them what happened and they go. We're leaving so from that moment My life and his life changes forever. Because i'm a judge. I'm very noble and righteous and all of a sudden. I have to start thinking like a criminal i have to think. How do i create allies. How do i race evidence. How do i dismiss or get rid of testimony. How how can manipulate the system to keep my son safe. So there's a definite moral compromise being made It is harrowing and compelling all the way through to the final episode So i hope you watch on showtime data. Starting this sunday. it is amazing. Brian and i got in the cast again. Michael still bark who plays the the aforementioned gangster fans of boardwalk empire and fargo will know his work isiah whitlock from the wire his famous line. I'm not able. I think you're actually used the word earlier in this conversation He's amazing in it. Hope davis is is. Is you know in everything then. Obviously you when. I saw the scene with you and your son when your son told you what had happened on the road i thought of when you were here in person a few times ago When you were here as part of your your memoir a life in parts that we still have right here on our set talking about the scene from breaking bad. Where you as walter white watching jesse pink. Men's girlfriend played by kristen. Ritter pass away and how that was one of the toughest scenes you've ever had to be part of because you know you obviously thought of your own fatherhood. I'm wondering if that came into play in this scene to. I mean it was i my wife and i. We watched that scene. We held hands the entire time. I mean 'cause for the grace. I mean unbelievable brian truly. It's it's a parent's worst nightmare. Just and it's our number one responsibility as a parent to protect the life your child so if you had to make that decision everyone i've talked to and i would imagine you would say the same thing. Would you rich eisen if you thought one of your children was in mortal danger. Would you become a criminal in order to save their life. yeah. I mean to answer the question brian i would. I would cook meth too. So it's and. That's another kind of parallel that i i kind of caught in a way and i'm sure you must as well when descript script lands on your desk is you know you're you have these moments in your life that's presented right on your lap. You never saw common. And how do you react what do you do i mean how do you handle it you do you know. I guess i'm just attracted to characters really damaged while also right and also becoming jewish for the jokes to brian. People three thousand. You know what. I'm saying Offends me it offends me. Oh my gosh it's great. Brian congrats on another winner. Everyone should check out your honor premiering on showtime on sunday night at ten pm eastern time always appreciate our chats and cherish them. Thank you for the call looking forward to doing it in person next time absolutely and thanks again for twenty seven ninety three talent. Aaron paul the same thing to scratch a batch. Dha zero one two off the list. Okay perfect i enjoy it. Thanks guys right back at ya. Thank you that's bryan cranston. Four time emmy award winner. Checkout your honor on showtime ethic is tenuous. Tom the show sounds incredible. I honestly sat there and thought it's totally different. You know what i mean. And i the last thing i want to do is say intimate in any way shape or form that something's derivative it's not okay. It's a totally different story. But it struck me. I'm like okay. He comes home son tells them what's going on. It's the same way of getting a diagnosis. That you're only got a few months to live. What do you do to take care of your family. Whatever take right and so it it struck me and then that seamer him and his son in the same way i that's gotten seven figures of us on our youtube page. Youtube dot com slash richeisenshow. When cranston was in here. Brian talking about that scene that he talked about in one of the many moments in his memoir that breaking bad scene where you know he watched and purposefully let somebody passed a young lady and he said he thought of his own child. That is a hell of a video that we said of him talking about his process in his acting. I thought the same thing watching it and so again. That's on on showtime on on sunday night. 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Three's going to be playing a game. What rg three beats steelers. Rg three still. We're talking about this game. Remember that time it got. Oh my and the pandemic game was on thanksgiving and it kept going and going and going and being rescheduled and orgeon talk about forever. Yeah yeah ravens steelers coming up on. Nbc in an hour from now. We're here on nbc sports on peacock as well as back here. Our family of radio networks. You got a news update over there. Christopher let's get to it right away here on the program the report of the day's news from the world of sports and entertainment someone who is not a journalist or news man by any definition of the word whatsoever. Chris brockman christopher. What do you have over there. Okay so for the first time in Nine ten days no. Ravens tested positive. That's good news. Day for covid. Commissioner roger goodell did have a conference call earlier today about what's going on the rest of the season. A couple quotes here. It will take partnership and disciplined a complete this season. I'm confident we'll be able to do it. We don't see the bubble as most refer to it in one location. We feel strongly. Our protocols are working. We're willing to adjust and adapt those protocols take additional but i don't see us doing the bubble in a sense that the media focuses on it in terms of the playoffs. Can i interpret what that means or it it. It means we're not going to do with the nba does which is bring all teams under one. You know one resort and Find you know it's much easier to bring an entire half a league into one resort when you're playing an indoor sport and all you need is a three gymnasiums you know. Within that bubble football fields are much more difficult to come by certainly in terms of a standard. You know you can't just put a floor down and go. And so what he's saying is what they're thinking of doing is similar to what i guess. In a way the forty niners are going to be test driving which is now going arezzo going to different places but doing that at home where you do tell the players you've gotta kiss your wife and kid does and everybody goodbye until you're season's over and the reason for that is you are living in a hotel in a hotel room. We will put as many trappings their as possible to make your life's is comfortable as possible but you're living here. You are staying here. You're leaving here to go to work. Go to the airport. Play a game and come home. That's it and they may do that when january hits when there's only fourteen teams left and then from what i'm hearing is teams won't go to the super bowl city. They won't go to tampa until like the friday before they won't they won't be like. Hey we're flying on sunday and take. Let's take some pictures of us coming off the plane and go to this media day and all that stuff that that is out the window. That's what i'm hearing. I'm hearing the teams arrived. On friday and be bubbled up beforehand and bubbled up the minute they get their. You think. Playoff bubble is the way to go. How how not. I mean it's everywhere now right. Seems like it's everywhere. It's only gonna get worse. You're hearing what the cdc is saying right. Now i mean the you know the director of the cdc out video saying december january and february going to be the worst month for public health in the history of this country began. And that's when you know the nfl's finishing their season. I mean and invariably vectors get crossed. So that's the way i interpret. What the commissioner had to say that they're not gonna find someplace like hey. Hey disney you got. Do you have a place where there's five football fields right and all those hotels i think so. I think they did they. They might have a football field on just on campus there. And then there's one in orlando just you know around the corner. That's it but i mean. How many games are you gonna have their. What if you did kind of like almost like incident way tournament. We have know a couple of playoff games in new orleans. A couple of playoff game be in one location. And we're focused in the media like okay you're going to do with the nba did at. I don't think that's practical. I don't think you can do it. No it doesn't seem smart either with just a number of people who are involved in right a football team on a daily basis plus if both l. a. teams make it. Only one can win right all right some injury. Some injury stuff here guys. Just my way of firing a blow. Dart near clipper direction. Method is to see if you're paying attention paying attention. Eagles activated zach chargers are making the playoffs reserve gratuitous. I'm sorry what were you saying. He goes activated. Strategist move on. Eagles activated ertz from injured reserve. That's it that's the change. That's a show seinfeld reference. That's a show. I would have just throw this out there. I take this morning was discussing if the eagles missed the playoffs should doug peterson be fired. And that's ridiculous. Peterson would be hard and five minutes somewhere else. Five minutes come on you. Give it to you. Mrs mike tomlin treatment. Hang on a minute. is it possible. Hang is it possible. That frank reich was kind of the brains behind their super bowl. Run on a minute. Five minutes men job openings this year openings okay usually job running average of six to eight each year job openings. This year tell me with the hottest candidates going to be robert kennedy for sure. Be enemy eric. Being why the kansas city chiefs offense. Andy reid tree fruit route branch. You can get but oh no. Let's fire him what he's already won one really come on. Man went is regressing. You do have to that on lap of the coach. I get it. That would be insane. They fire doug peterson. I would want the jets to hire back that okay. Trevor lawrence is coming. You want hook them up with somebody who's won a super bowl. Who brings the whole concept of. Rpo's and andy reid and with a combative media please fire doug peterson. Please don't tell me that. I'll look out in the carson wentz four years from now it'll be problem whichever lawrence. I don't want here so there's already three openings. How many more openings do you think we're going to have. The jets are one jacksonville five. What about cincinnati. I don't know. I have no idea that i have no idea. Mike brown is i. Don't know what you. But i doubt it. I mean he held onto marvin lewis forever today. Yeah so i doubt it. I doubt and the borough injury. Obviously okay so daniel jones chargers might have one. I don't know. I think you're dead on. Their chargers might have one dead on their We just look down the list here. Bears might have won the eagles and bears that wreck that'd be eight atlanta. Might not with the way that he morris has been so. You might remove them. Marie mars has got this team winning. What about romeo romeo rome. He'd be the head coach and the way he's as a matter of fact it's mid week. Normally this is where we start looking towards the next week and we're finishing a week tomorrow. We've got no game. That's start the week. When i smell with the falcons nice smell an unluckiest lock of the week. That's what i smelled. Whoa that's where. I'm leaning in that direction friday. Whoa that's what. I'm smelling interesting. Especially how they destroyed. Oakland got the saints. Got the saints. And they've already seen tastes hill. I'm just throwing that out there. That's where i'm leaning and already still acts still got colt mccoy's my high register on everybody back off colander isley. Anybody anybody if anybody takes colt mccoy or thanks for taking colt mccoy and higher register on friday. I will view that as an attack posture in the same way became catholic. Jim schwartz rich. I'm just gonna say you better go. You better go first higher register if you go last you open yourself up a good point pizzas without me. I don't know how to trust you in starting out comes around like today starbucks. Everybody i look at. I look at like pizza coffee. No mindless over here by the way and apparently she's like hey. I said to the whole group. I was locked in here. I'm around preparing for the show. I'm in my own world. Don boyd and get asked either. You're locked in. Can we ask everybody. Can we just yell. Here's the deal though. Racist richeisenshow paid for the starbucks and other days. When i've asked you multiple times once starbucks. No so here's a reason. There's a difference between the pilots. And the coffee. Chris his face when liz came and richest looked up and he looked at us. He came in with stairs trays at had three songs. This for you. And i'm like what happened. Richest looks up from his desk. He's like really really really. It was pretty funny. He's a different to take pizza. And coffee is a big difference okay. The pizza thing is a camaraderie thing. All right coffee thing is for me. In a position of as a host getting coffee has got a certain connotation. Like i don't want to make it seem like hey. Can you get me my coffee. Get me my coffee as a few dollars and then and then you get me my coffee and then i offer you a few out on. Don't get i don't want to. I don't want to give the gift the offer of the money. You take it which i want you to do but you know that like suddenly now now just getting me my coffee. And there's a certain hierarchy that is not and i don't like it makes me uncomfortable. It's about being friends like liz was well. Basically saying i'm sensitive. Ask me ask me if you get stuff right hearing ya. It's because i'm preparing for the show sometimes with newer me in the morning talk. Ignore tells me that's connotation focused not speak to you and you will look up. So i'm like now when i've asked you three times you haven't answered you know how frustrating it is when i ask you something. Jabeen answered the last two times. She's like why not have asked the same question. So am i am. I just i will say say your own home. Then i will say sarah's the same thing i'll sneeze. I'm a big if i sneeze say bless you. I say bus people as well correct. We'll be sitting right next to each other during all sneeze silence and she's like locked into something on it for like. Did you not hear me. I know you're locked in. But could you not hear the loud sneeze. Yeah but she's got your back in every other facet of life. I mean what's the anti for that. A seinfeld show. Was that line where you say something instead of saying. Bless you you say something. Oh good look that. You want from her acknowledgement acknowledge. This need news update. i finished. Sorry we got distracted. Daniel jones not practicing today colts. Jonathan taylor from the reserve. Covid lists okay. Julio jones got an unlimited session today todd gurley back in full. They both missed last week. Where's myles gaskin. Haven't seen the helicase. Gaskin kenny golladay was totally fantasy related. Same kenny golladay. Killing me not practice today. Not looking good for this weekend. Mike zimmer adam phelan off the reserve list expects him back against jacksonville to got an a limited today dealing with death thumb injury actually. Let's hear from brian. Foray rabbits hold onto that one. Because i know where. I'm going to go all right after i needed a little more real estate. And we're gonna have to take second guy. I do wanna play this before we get the break. This was from inside the nfl last night. And films showtime show tastic. Tyreek hill heard about this. But i haven't heard awesome tyree. Kill talking about patrick mahomes. And his first impression of mahomes way back in training camp two years ago when you were training camp but y'all draft pets homes. What was your thought after you watch the first week training camp. I thought it was strange. I when got out a look. I april me into dole. Complete our no lie it just a second year like his quarterback mechanics with different. He was spending more time with his quarterback coach. Minimal time country like learning the. It was like different. Wow amazing now. Those questions like fill asked him. We asked like okay so it's just another way to ask. Like how impressive was he is a rookie. You know like because you know the answers. Oh he was great. There's many show above a but they were all like alex. Smith is our guy and who is this guy trash Trash mahomes has responded. I'm being told nice. Swaggie fidgets good stuff. And then lastly another thing. This is gonna blow your mind. So mike tyson and roy jones fought over the weekend. Hold on. let's hope this to get got to arms. Okay right. there's a lot of time until kickoff. One more promo six minutes i. I'm sure i got one more promo in me for this game. Four four two four ritual. Take your calls as well to wrap up this wednesday show. Do you own a wrench. Your home sure you do and i bet it can be hard work you know what's easy bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along their auto policy and it's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com today. That's geico dot com right. Do not make me come back. Would feel like i feel like i'm more. I'm in the car telling me. I will pull this if you delay this game one. More time i'm going to pull this show over and we're going to have a talk. Have you ever actually pulled the car over. Oh yeah oh you have to. I mean i let me just give this one more do here. Because i'm not gonna this. Is ravens steelers. One on the long standing rivalries in the national football league on nbc wednesday in forty five minutes today forty three minutes. let's go. I will not do this again. I will turn this car right around here. Parents threaten. But i see no. Actually i have pulled over. Yeah that's amazing dude. Wait just way. it's all fun. Cute now it's not very fun now. Is it not a lot of sleep sometimes. Sometimes it's great look best out ever come on one day. You too will have a sign like this. He came back here on the rich eisen. Show on radio okay. So we have two items to get to rewrite. Yeah do things to get to. Okay what are you got over there chris. Okay so i wanna get. I wanna get to the two stuff so we know popped up last week. Yes did not play because of a thumb injury. Brian for as talked about that today. S to was. We've been rehabbing. He's been getting treatment is working hard to get to get back in there. We'll see we'll see about today. We get out there again. I wish i had a crystal ball. You're gonna practice fully. Get out there and do that for we can say that so Took doing everything he can will would as that is the phrase that pays chris brockman yes. Brian floor is has shown his ability to be an nfl head coach and over and over again right. Stick that right there. You're officially earned. His wings viciously got the he officiated hurt his wings as you know. Build my top three in my eighteen years of being an nfl network host top three coaching cliches number. One it is what it is it is what it is is what it is and that is what it is okay number. Two out of crystal ball on of a crystal ball. Those are used for moments like this. When's your guy coming back. What happens is hypothetical and certainly for injuries out of christobal. That's afraid place. And then number three is okay control. Only what you can control. I tell my guys all the time he got to control. Only what you can control you know this whole business with going on with covert and everything. We can only control what we control all of the variables. We try to keep out of this building. We just don't wanna pay attention to variables. Because i tell my guys and my philosophy control only what you can control. Those are the three and the third one is interchangeable at certain times of the year. Correct which is not as and training camps for holdouts control what you can control swapped out for the only talking about the guys. That are here okay. I'm only talk about the guys are here. Which is the way to sidestep the thorny issue of a holdout. Brian flores became a head coach in the nfl. Today congratulated adulation. Congratulations to him. Got whole thing about being higher than having a contract and being called the head coach and win games and doing all these great things that he's done and all the right moves and buttons pushing and all that stuff. That's one thing to use the phrase crystal ball. That's it you're in. Congratulations sir. Well done well done good what else. And lastly you guys see this. Mike tyson and roy jones fought over the weekend. Tj you watch right it was. It was well don and watch. We know who didn't watch jeremy. Schaap didn't watch. Jim is still about this. However yes i think. This person did watch and wants in on the action. Okay vander holyfield has called out mike tyson. My gosh four one last fight. No more excuses quote said holyfield statement. This is the fight that must happen on my gosh for both our legacies saturday night. You said you were ready to fight me. I'll show sign the contract and get in the ring. The world is waiting at. It's on you now. Gosh i'm ready. Here's my reaction. Here's my first blush reaction to that. We need who riddick bowe or lennox lewis. And then we could make a cocoon version. Version of cocoon. Let's get steve gutenberg. Let's get him going all right. And then you know. So riddick bowe will be. Jackie elford mike. Tyson will be the the wilford brindley hume. Cronin is roy jones. junior evander. holyfield is donna. You go. And then steve berg himself and let's go and the fights will take place in some beautiful pool house and and you know don king will along with Bob arum bob arum. They'll they'll they'll bring glowing rocks and let's go and let's just and it's just remove all pretense and it's a boxing version of cocoon remake rebooted. Let's go take my credit card. I'm that's my forty nine ninety five. I saw that scam i wanted. It wasn't the scandal okay. It was fun it really was. It was the style that was it really the action. You're looking for yes or no. It was the action i expect. I didn't expect to see them going out there banging for anyone. Did you spend money. Did you spend money on her or did you or did you find a way to not spend money on it. I'm not gonna ask well rich. There's a way is not tj jefferson dollars on it. Well okay like. I bought. So i spent on a laptop and i paid for my you can. How much is it. Forty four bucks. I think it was. I think it was fifty. Would you've spent fifty dollars to see that action. Well kind of tie register everybody you to land a big punch like yeah tyson body. I mean my didn't look bad like if you haven't seen it just watch it and mind you for free though. Don't spend money on not gonna tell you how great sorry this show is all about. What's going on in pittsburgh. Let's end it with call from pittsburgh. Salmon pittsburgh gear on the rich their sandy iran. What's up hey rich things show One thing with mike tomlin my favorite quote from him as excuses or the tools of the confidence. And then getting back to your You're talking about going with all due disrespect. Learn the age. Try say that one time and then sergeant major stop and needs to what was done everything. He'll say he'll be with respect. And what i mean by that is and i've used them all. Life is everything he should say should be respect so when you say to somebody with all due respect basically just getting ready to disrespect exactly. Tell tell right sam. It's an absolute hell. It's like having a ticket a poker table. We know what's coming. But i liked that so you try you. Try that in the armed forces the private. Because i didn't know you know. And i would just say some controversial and he just you one of my first night lessons but then pass it on. I had a guy trying to do a couple of years ago. And i stopped as area even haven't even pulled the he was kind of country. Boy so i even went a little country and Imitating exactly. Thanks for the call. Sam sam pittsburgh is is our own full metal jacket right there. What's your major malfunction numb nuts. You imagined we're trying with all due respect commanding officer in the armed forces in the united states. You can't do that with all due respect sergeant. What imagine if pile would use that line. 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Gary Klein with Paul Sonkin and Paul Johnson  Conducting Pre-Mortem Analysis (Capital Allocators, EP.109)

Capital Allocators

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Gary Klein with Paul Sonkin and Paul Johnson Conducting Pre-Mortem Analysis (Capital Allocators, EP.109)

"Hello I'm Ted Psyches and this is capital allocators. This show is an open exploration of the people and process behind capital allocation through conversations with leaders in the money game. We learn how had these holders of the keys to the kingdom allocate their time and their capital. You can keep up to date by visiting capitol. ALLOCATORS PODCASTS DOT COM by guests on today's show our Gary Klein Paul Johnson and Paul Sunken. Gary Klein is a noted cognitive live psychologist with an innate ability to see what others don't over his forty year career in the field. He's pioneered the field of naturalistic Listrik decision making the pre mortem method of Risk Assessment and the shadow box training approach. Gary is the author of five books and editor of three more more and most recently founded shadow box. LLC in two thousand and five to train decision makers on his technique. You can learn all about Gary Gary Gary Hyphen Klein Dot Com Paul and Paul. You may recall we're guests on the show discussing their book that I greatly enjoyed pitch. The Perfect Investment Senate both are former investors and professors of finance together. Gary Paul and Paul Co authored a paper entitled rendering a powerful or full tool flaccid the misuse of pre mortems on Wall Street. The paper is a detailed look at how to properly conduct pre mortem analysis in our conversation covers Gary's background studying expertise with fighter pilots tools to improve decision-making including the shadow box Fox technique cognitive after action reviews and pre mortems and then we do a deep dive on pre mortem analysis including history in the air force in what it is how it works when it falls short and the benefits of reducing overconfidence time efficiency increasing candor and making working groups smarter we discuss views another risk mitigation techniques as well including devil's advocates red teams risk assessment and critiques. Thanks I found the conversation and incredible door-opener to one of the most effective and time efficient sources of value in improving decision making processes yes. I'm privileged and excited to share this conversation with you. Before we get going. You can sign up at capital. ALLOCATORS PODCASTS ASK DOT COM to receive three different sources of information using the buttons on the homepage or the email list tab. You can receive an email now from me once a month with the best things I've read and listen to over the month. Wow on that page you can also sign up to receive our blog of industry news lastly hop on the premium tab and subscribe to get access to the library of transcripts of podcast shows feel free to forward the emails you receive two friends to help spread the word please enjoy my conversation with Gary Klein with Paul Johnson and Paul Sunken Gentlemen. Thanks for joining me. Nobody wants to respond. There's too many people in the room. That is always a pleasure. Thank you for Paul. Paul had been on the show before so. I think it'd be fun given that they were bringing you to the table for this paper. We're going to talk about why don't you go through your background and areas of interest sure so. I'm a cognitive psychologist. My primary area of interest is expertise had people become highly skilled and that started in the mid seventies and when all of a sudden the Arab oil embargo hit and you had all these pilots I was working as research search psychologists for the Air Force at the time all these pilots used to fly as much as they want it now they couldn't close jet fuel is too expensive and so they had to learn and simulators which they always considered as toys but now they couldn't anymore and so my job is to figure out what is expertise and hetty develop it in had developed most quickly. Had you first get interested in the field. Though is a requirement of the job we had to help these pilots they were. They were sort of desperate to find out. How do we design simulators that are going to allow us to become become skilled as we used to because we can't fly nearly as much and what did you find in that initial research so I'll tell you story. I was doing a project and was down at Tyndall Air Force Base and there were these two fighter pilots f one six pilots and we were working on a simulator during the day and at night one evenings we went went to a bar because as where they usually went after we finished the day and they said Kwiecinski a tough question. We're supposed to be developing training and there's a system called instructional systems design. It's very procedural and takes a task break it down into the components and that's the way you teach it and I said Okay and they said we're the I S D specialists for our group and I said Okay that's nice and we're building. ISD specs for how to perform a about flying tasks and I said okay so what's the problem and they looked around to make sure nobody was overhearing and they said we've written all this barracks but we don't follow any of those rules. That's it's not the way we fly so I said okay. Just write down the rules you follow and they said we don't follow any rules. We just know what to do and that's what I've been hearing time and time again from firefighters and others that there was a a belief that you just follow rules and procedures for complex complex tasks and ambiguous situations with lots of uncertainty. There's no set of rules that are sufficient and expertise is not about just incorporating incorporating. All the rules expertise is about building tests at knowledge and that's the core. That's the primary thing that I've learned is how to go after tacit knowledge. We hear a lot about checklists and took Mondays checklist manifesto. How do you blend the necessary tasks with the intuition that comes on top of that right and that's an important portent part is that it is a blend and Gandhi no comes up with these great checklist but in the book he describes how much work it is to come up with a reasonable checklist and you can't have too many items. You can't make it too complicated and so there's a real art to coming up with a checklist. How do you blend the other part you break people out of the mindset that my job is simply to learn the rules and learn the procedures and a lot of people do have that belief and you gotta get him out of that mindset and get them into accepting that life is too complicated and they are gonna be encountering situations that none of the checklists are prepare them for and they better be adaptive in resilient in order to handle them. If we go back then to. You're doing this research to try to still had to help these fighter pilots in simulators and then you learn that well the real way that they do it the real way they develop expertise is in their heads. What do you do with that as a conclusion to research well. It was no conclusion for the work with the fighter pilots because we were building simulators so we just had to make the simulators it is effective as possible now the fighter pilots and the whole community had the belief you had to make the simulator look as much as possible like the real thing that was wrong. It doesn't have to look like the real thing and you don't have to waste a lot of money on that. You have to have really good training scenarios that put people through their paces and so oh that was the big one from that project but where the expertise were came in was much later when I started studying decision making and up to that point there was a belief that irrational decisionmaker lays out all the options lays out. All the evaluation dimensions rates each option on each dimension and so forth. When's the last time you ever. I mean people sometimes do it but it's very rare and it's not an adaptive strategy. That's what the field thought was the gold standard because the field has mostly studied college sophomores handling unfamiliar tasks and laboratory environments and so the field hadn't studied the experts and so because of my interest and expertise. I was able to look at decision making and say where's the expertise here and that was the formulation four my recognition prime decision model and the discovery we made is that people don't generate lots of options used lots of standard evaluation dimensions they use their experience decisive situations very quickly and to identify what's going on. What's likely to happen next. What can I accomplish and what should I do about it and then to evaluate it. That's the intuitive part but there's two parts to the model. The evaluation part was mental simulation. If if this is what I think I should do in this situation. Let me imagine doing it in this context and see if it works it works. I'm fine if it almost works can improve with and if it doesn't work there go to the next option in my list and so we came up with a different model of decision making and that's probably the accomplishment and my career that I'm the most pleased with as you discussed that and looked at different applications were there areas where it was highly effective and others. Here's where it's less effective. We haven't found many areas where it's not effective and we looked. We said we're not teaching strategy. This strategy describes what people naturally truly do so he said maybe it doesn't get applied when there's less time pressure so we looked at non time pressured situations we looked at designers and they still were predominantly using recognition strategy and then we say maybe if you don't have much experience to begin with. It's not a strategy. You'll use so we we. We looked at novices. We looked at soldiers at Fort Knox tank commanders who hadn't really had much experience in tanks and we said or about them they were the group. We've seen that did not use recognition decision making they did look at options. They try to identify the best option from a set. It didn't help them. They're still did a terrible job but they had no basis and expertise to use recognition strategies once you identified the recognition strategies are the way that people go about making decisions. How did you then and study different ways that people can improve their decision processes. That's where a really get important business. What can you do about it and so for a maybe ten or twenty years we were looking for. How do we turn this into training and it's appropriations so that we can help people become better decision decision makers and we came up with nothing and it was very discouraging and then about six or seven years ago. I was is exposed to a technique that we call the shadow box which is a technique that we've been using it for the last five years and when developed by me or my team developed by a guy named Neil hines who's retired New York Fire Department Battalion Commander and he had developed this in the wake of the nine eleven attacks and how do people handle situations that no training could've prepare them for because nobody could foresee them and the way shadow box works. It's a scenario Jio based approach so I give you a scenario and we walked through the scenario and then there are certain point. I'd stop and I'd say Okay Ted. Here's four more options of what you can do at this point rank order them and write down the rationale why you rank ordered them but it's not just about the options we make a little bit further and and then I stop and I'd say Okay Ted here's three goals that you could be pursuing rank order them in terms of what's most important to achieve to lease right down your reason and we might go a little bit further and I'd say here's five different kinds of signals and pieces of information that you might pursue rank order which you would go for and and why and on the side we'd have a set of three to five experts who've gone through the same scenario lived on their ranking. They've written down their rationale so after you you come up with your ranking and we say here's what the experts ranked and you want yours to match the experts but more important and you look at what the experts saw so this is really had to see the world through the eyes of experts but the experts aren't there we already collected data so we don't have to gather them and schedule them or anything like that and you see what the experts noticed in the same scenario you read and you see the inferences they drew and all of the warnings that they spotted and things like that that you just went right past. You didn't notice so that's shadow-box works. Think about how you could revolutionize the Harvard Business School case studies he's and it has enormous implications for training security analysts and Ted you can see why from what Gary's I've been talking about that. I think that and that's why I was attracted to Gerry's work because it's directly applicable in so many different ways to the jobs that portfolio managers and security analysts do you now set up this framework with the shadow box where someone can go through a specific scenario and then have an expert way of assessing it is that just a specific training tool for certain scenarios and where have you seen that applied okay so we've applied it not to handle operators petrochemical plants. We've applied it with case workers doing trout protective services. We just did a project on on systems integration specialists trying to get younger engineers up to speed faster in that area. I'm going to be talking to Ah Hedge Fund. They're interested in in shadow box so we've applied it in a variety of various interesting and under some of the other tools that you've seen along along the way we have a method for cognitive after action reviews were not native after action reviews right so it's called cargo cognitive after after Action Review Guide for observers and the idea here is a lot of times after a situation after you've had something go well or go go poorly do an after action review and frequently the after action review as you did exit should have done why if you had done why things would have turned out better but it doesn't get into the cognitive part when you chose X. What were you seeing. What were you interpreting in hindsight? What could you have been looking looking at and so trying to get into the person's head to see what they were considering at the moment that they made their judgment and decision rather than just saying x. This is better than why so that's that's a method that we've been using now then. There's also the pre mortem method that we developed. Gosh about about thirty years ago and is probably the best known of all the techniques that we're using what was the first insight in pre mortems so let me just I tell you what the pre mortem is so the pre mortem is sort of a risk assessment method and the idea is to try to anticipate what could possibly go wrong with a plan an and when I had my company I had my research company for about twenty seven years till I sold it in two thousand five and we had grown to thirty seven and people by that time and a certain point we said we have a lot of projects go well but not all of them and some of them don't go well and we do do a postmortem after it's finished and may help us in the future but it doesn't help us with the project that finished why don't we try to move that upfront to the kickoff meeting and the analogy would be like in medicine in healthcare you do a postmortem after a patient dies to find out why and then the physician can discover what killed the patient and let the family members know so they also gain and if it's something interesting they can write it up so everybody benefits benefits from a postmortem except for the patient because the patient is dead so the idea of pre mortem is let's anticipate. Wait what could happen at the very beginning of the project so we started doing it with our own projects. We would add this and it doesn't take very long. We'd added to the end of our kickoff off meetings for a new project and then in around nineteen ninety three we had an air force customer that wanted us to lead an effort to build a complex piece of software for them and there were a number of air force engineers and other other team members who had algorithms that we're going to be included in this tool and we said okay and at the end of this kickoff meeting. We're going to do a pre mortem close. We had really gotten to like the method at our contract monitor said absolutely not not he hated the idea. He said it's going to be too depressing. I don't WanNa do anything that might reduce people's confidence and enthusiasm and we said this is the way we do things. He hired us to run the project. This is the way we do it. So we have the meeting. The meeting goes for a couple of hours and that's the end and we're going to do the pre mortem and we said all right now. Let's go through the process and the way the pre mortem works. Is You have a plan and everybody knows what the plan is and it's the team that's done the plant and is going to do the execution. They're all prime. They're all ready to spring into action and if I was doing three more than with you I'd say okay now knowledge to step back a second and I'm looking into a crystal ball and I might sort of imagine there's Christobal on the table in front of us. I'm looking at a crystal ball and it's now six months in the future. Maybe a year oh I don't on I quote. I see I see a disaster. This plan has failed. It's been a complete an embarrassing failure and the people on the team. Don't don't even make eye contact when they pass each other in the hall. It's been a really big disaster. All right we know the plan failed now everybody around the table able take two minutes and write down all the reasons why this plan failed and everybody starts writing madly and then the end two minutes stop them and I say now let's find out what people wrote and I go around the table and I start with the project lead to see what that person came up with and then we just continue around the table like that until we get all of the items that people had and and that was fairly depressing so we edited another step after we finished compiling it which is now that we've seen all the things that might go wrong. That could go wrong. I would take another two minutes and write down what you individually could do to prevent some of these things from occurring and so people go through that and and that sort of as a mitigating factor so we did the pre mortem on this project this Air Force project and we got to one person he was. I think a captain he was the most junior person at the table specialty was information technology and we got to him. He hasn't said a word during the entire meeting and we said what do you have half and he said well. I'm looking at the algorithms that people are describing and they're really powerful. Algorithms do the job and they run on on a supercomputer and they take a day or two and we're talking about putting this in the field like during Desert Storm or something like that to be used by the a history major who graduated from northwestern and is now in the reserves and he's now thrust into this job and at that point he might have had a four eighty six six machine or something like that it just won't work is software won't run on that machine and everybody looked at him and realized how ridiculous the quest had been up to that point and had we pursued the vision that was the sponsors vision it would have been a disaster and instead people said you know well. I have a back of the envelope approach that doesn't require a supercomputer and it's not as good as a supercomputer but it's like about ninety percent and and we said that's what we want interesting so there were a couple of things you mentioned as you laid out how the pre mortem works wanted to see if you can talk about the significance of it. The first is you said there's two minutes for everybody to go around and write down his that just because you're just throughout two minutes or significance to that timeframe trial and error when we did this for a number of Roger My company one minute was leaving people frustrated because people were still writing when they said time is up when we tried three remits a lot of people would be finished and they'd be twiddling their thumbs and and reduce the energy of the room so two minutes seemed to be the sweet spot okay and then you said when and people start discussing what they wrote down the leader comes first right and the reason for that is people don't know how candid to be and the leader is going to set an example and if the leader pick something that's frivolous or trivial that tells people not to take it seriously okay so it's really important for the leader to come up with a real problem that hadn't been discussed before now if you are conducting a pre pre mortem on the pre mortem process. What are the things that will commonly go wrong that makes a plan of a pre mortem fail well. That's one of the reasons that I've been writing this piece with Paul Johnson and Paul all songs. Can we see people making mistakes. There are ways that pre mortem will fail first of all if the leader doesn't have buy in and the leader will come up with something trivial and everybody knows they have to not surface their prime concerns and choose something that's safer and minor so that's one part we see deep pre mortems fail when the person who's facilitating will say something like okay. We've seen the plan. Let's do a pre mortem while could go wrong with the plan. That's the wrong approach what can go wrong with the plan. That's a typical critiquing. Approach can't say walk go wrong. You say I'm looking at crystal. Walton plant has failed. There's no doubt that changes the mindset that instead of just sort of musing about it now. You're seeing a disaster and you're you're now in a mode of what caused that disaster. It changes the kinds of issues people identify. Why is it that changes it. There is a study from nineteen eighty nine about prospective hindsight that giving people the perspective of a future situation where something that it is counterfactual has occurred all of a sudden opens up access to kinds of thinking and speculation that people people ordinarily wouldn't engage in and the metaphor. I have is like an eclipse right now. If we stare at the sun for like quarter of a second or are so it's really bright we look away but during the eclipse and I had a chance to see the the eclipse a year or so ago or happen when the eclipse occurs occurs in the moon blocks out the sun and you look up and you see the corona you see all of these trail streaming out of the sun and it's just gorgeous just an I had these issues I wanted to study during the eclipse and I was just paralyzed by the beauty of it but it was all invisible because the sun is so blinding under normal conditions since the pre mortem is a sort of a way of blotting out watch you normally think about and your enthusiasm for carrying out a plan and and so you you need to cover that up so that these other issues can emerge and become visible. That was what we tried to do. In the paper was kind of tie hi some of these concepts back to research that's been done but as Gary said you're reframing the problem and then it's easier to find a reason for why something thing has happened why the project is failed as opposed to developing different scenarios of things that might happen so it just kind if shifts the mindset it's very nuanced and it's very subtle and that's why we feel as though the pre mortem is misused because they'll just say okay what could go wrong and they think they're doing pre mortem but just a that subtle framing kind of kills the effectiveness. I think there's is one more thing that we saw swept under the rug. Is the Gary says at the end of the meeting you pause take a deep breath. We're talking fifteen seconds and then you say to people you have a two minutes right down why the plan failed and no one has a problem writing down two or three reasons and that to me is so important because we've given them five seconds seconds to think about it and then two minutes to write and everybody is scribbling things down so that knowledge is in the group at tip of their tongue. They're thinking about all threw them planning meetings and nobody brings it up and that pre mortem allows you to change the mindset is Paul set it failed. Why did it fail then you give them two minutes and you'll get to take the number of people in the meeting multiply that by three that's how many reasons you're. GonNa get failed none of which were brought up at any point in the planning rush and certainly none of them were brought up in the approval process for me. The power of the pre mortem is were now allowing people to express their concerns that they've had all along long that they've been afraid to bring up and I think the thing for me I think Gary One hundred percent believe agree with you that if the leader doesn't take it seriously everybody hides but the most important factor for me psychological safety so psychological safety is the notion that it is safe to say what you're most concerned about this captain and the example Apple said this just isn't gonNA run would have been very easy for him to sit on his hands and not say anything and yet. If you give him permission he brings up the most critical issue change the plan. Dan completely and he hasn't said a word in the hall. Meeting up to that point and that to me is the power. How do you encourage that psychological safety. In the context context of running the pre mortem we describe what the pre mortem is going to do and if it makes the organization to uncomfortable then we might simply not bother bother not waste our time doing pre mortem so it it takes courage for an organization to say okay. Let's do it but organizations. I've learned to trust US and they've seen the results of what happens. When we describe other pre mortem that have occurred like the story that I told you and they said we want some some of that but you're certainly challenging culture and culture of intimidation where people don't like to speak up because of the issue of psychological chuckle safety one of the benefits of pre mortem is it starts to change a culture from a culture of hiding to a culture of Candor uh where you've been able to to voice these concerns and a safe place because you see if I run a planning session and then I say okay okay. Does anybody have a problem with our plan is. We're getting ready to implement it. We've just built plan. It takes a lot of courage to say well. Here's why I think the plan isn't GonNa work. It essentially means we're all idiots or we've been wasting our time so that's really hard to do and people don't WanNa do it. On the other the hand with the pre mortem the contest is to see who can come up with the most clever and worrisome issues that haven't been discussed at the tire so the whole incentive systems changes and now people people are competing with each other to come up with really insightful problem areas areas that haven't been voiced before it's amazing to see how it happens that subtlety and I think what Gary just said is really important. Is None of us really like counterfactual. 's I've learned on your podcast many times that the counterfactual your best friend as any dugue lakes assay. We're trying to get the accuracy nut to being right well. I'm in a meeting and there's a lot of momentum and everybody's everybody's excited and I raised my hand with counterfactual. I'm really putting myself at risk on many levels. I may be wrong on top of it is a concern I ap we should probably address but but if it ends up being a wild goose chase alison I've exposed by so the pre mortem you flip that. Never GonNa have a contest who can be the most clever the most insightful who can come up with the most host serious risks that we've talked about and what I found when I run my pre mortem so that little subtlety is shockingly powerful because people all of a sudden now. It's no longer career risk. I get sort of like oh how clever can be. How insightful can I be. This is how you show off whenever I read about whether it's in your paper Gary Story about this this fighter pilots. It's always the introverted person who doesn't speak up who seems to have the insight site. That's the mind-blowing insight. So how do you get that person in the room to consistently be part of the discussion while that's another part of the rhythm of pre mortem is that we go around the table and everybody gets a chance not only get a chance has has to have everybody has to come. Come up with something and is expected to and so that's a part of it. There's also structure that as go round the table I say Okay Ted. What's the top of your list and you tell me what you have and then I'll say Paul. What do you have on your list that hasn't already covered and we do it monitor time one item at a time so you don't get to give your entire lists and there's some dynamic in some groups where people who are extroverted rather than introverted. They WANNA take more than there are a lot of time. They Wanna be able to tell you their whole list. They want to go on and that's not gonNA work with everybody. Else's waiting INC and so this is a way of controlling them and giving everybody equal create democracy in the group you force democracy. Everybody has to vote which gets that introvert revert to actually say something and often a very good insight is there significance in the process to writing down that first response as has opposed to it being an open but person by person verbal session. It's too easy to say yeah I thought of that or just not to keep track of what you had consider so this really forces each individual to go on record at least on paper in front of them and write down what their ideas were. You also get the production adoption blocking and the people if they don't write it down. They'll forget so it's a lot in the kind of science that there is importance to writing down as well well. There's one more issue here by having people write it down then. They're each working independently so I'm not influenced by what other people are saying. These are just my own ideas. Are there any other features of the pre mortem that are kind of essential to making it work what we've done a lot at work on is the wisdom of crowds and cognitive have diversity and we think that if you think about an investment committee meeting where they're discussing a stock idea you have senior people people and you have junior people and the junior people like fear stifles idealization so they're afraid to say anything because they've only been in there for six months in the portfolio manager has been there for twenty years and as. Paul said they could be wrong and they don't WanNa look stupid so they keep their mouths. Shut when you think about all of the money that firm spend on that talent it's wasted because there's a lot of cognitive diversity that is lost if these people don't articulate what they're thinking and that also happens when you get the conversation which is dominated by one particular individual is that that cognitive diversity is lost and we once did a study where we had four person teams going through an exercise and square garden path exercise where we introduce something the beginning that made it seem that certain thing was going to happen and everybody was preparing hiring for but that was wrong. We're trying to mislead them and then we dribbled in cues to indicate that it was something else going on and we wanted to see when the team would get off the garden path. We ran seven teams. None of them got off the garden. Path the initial assumption held for the entire session so that was a failure but we had each person keep a diary of what they were thinking and we found that in every team at least one or two people had noticed noticed the anomalies and had worried about it so the knowledge was in the team you might say the subconscious of the team but nobody said anything and so that's the kind of fear that we're trying to overcome and I think if you get back to the diversity comment is that the more people you have in the group that bring a different perspective perspective the more cognitive diversity get almost by nature and so if you create psychological safety you do the pre mortem voice. Everyone can contribute if people are going to come up with their their own. If you have this cognitive diversity your getty broader list of items I ran a pre mortem a year ago on a project. We were going to launch twenty seven people in the room wrote twenty-seven things down on the first pass. Five of them were path critical of those five. I'd only thought of one and so I was blown away 'cause team leader. I took it very seriously. We've watched on the boroughs. I hadn't thought of that. That's a really good one and it's that power of getting the cognitive diversity forcing the interaction forcing forcing people to contribute and the twenty seven things five of 'em who cared five kind of thought about already and then you start to get into some really good stuff and there were five that were path critical like the computer in the army thing that we're going to kill the project. I thought forum as a team leader and we hadn't in the process. We'd had a very long process so just very powerful the combination of the two Ted as you could see as we're going through this process. There are like four or five really nuance announce things that if you don't get it right the pre mortem doesn't work and they're very subtle so just something as simple as having each person say one idea or that problem reframing seeing that the project has failed or requiring each each person to say one thing if you don't get each of those steps right it doesn't work so let's say we do it the right way we take our deep breath for fifteen fifteen seconds and we've got two minutes of writing down and the leader starts and we go through this and now we've got twenty seven ideas on the board. Paul as you said four of the five important ones. You hadn't thought of great what if the real issues were in the other twenty two. So how do you know when you go through tort more importantly when you go through and you've got all your ideas on the board. How do you then make sure that you are using those ideas to improve the process so after you get everything out in the open that Colm pretty much end the meeting then we do another phase what audio's do people have for mitigating that but then the team leader takes all of that material and goes away and thinks about it and sorts through and said might say okay this this one I was ready to dismiss it but now that I think about it it might be more important than I imagined so. There's a subsequent phase of replanning and reassessment using all the material the other thing is that there's no system. That's full proof going back to Rumsfeld that he said that. In terms of risk there are the knowns and there are the known unknowns and the unknown unknowns with the pre mortem does is you're trying to take those unknown unknowns and make them known unknowns and reduce that but you're still gonNa have unknown unknowns and the key is is that you're never going to eliminate all of them but you learn so much in this process and it doesn't require much time or energy investment that it's borderline free and you do pick up a bunch of things that you didn't have before. I guess if you could invite God to the pre mortem. We could get everything but short of that. The list is going to be so far expanded that if it's really a critical plan you can do a second pre mortem. You're replanning come back in a day a month. Whatever it is do another pre morning after Thomas Chain. You're never going to be one hundred percent foolproof. There's always going to be some unknown unknowns but you have mitigated negated enormous amount of risks. We think that's incredibly powerful. They're a bunch of other techniques that we see investment. Teams used to try to mitigate risks up front. What are some of your favorite ones in addition to pre mortems or well some of the ones you don't like as much let me start with the ones. I don't like that much so one of them is the devil's advocate approach which gets a lot of publicity. I'm only aware of one study that tried to evaluate the effect of a devil's advocate to see it had an effect and they got outta. Significant result was significantly worse than not using the devil's advocate and the reason seems to be if we're a team. I appoint somebody to be the devil's advocate then I don't know if the person is coming up with these ideas because they're of genuine concern or because that's the person's role but it I assume it's because it's their role and they don't really necessarily believe in it. So it's easy to discount the devil's advocate. It also means. I don't have to be critical. I've outsourced it to a devil's advocate so that's not healthy for group. Oh so one thing and I guess I called Devil's advocate Dr no and and that's the role that I've played within organizations or have tried to create an. You're a skunk a picnic and it's just you piss people off and people don't like it. The other thing is that if you just have one person do it or a small number of people you really losing using that cognitive diversity of the organization right and so what you want is for people to articulate genuine concerns which devil's advocate doesn't and want to have the psychological safety to be able to articulate that another approach is to use red teams and that's a very powerful method and certainly very impressive one. I like the method method of red teaming bringing in outsiders to review it. How does the Red Teamwork. There's a great book by Bryce Huffman called Red teaming about his observations of of of an Army unit at Fort Leavenworth though set up to do red teaming you just bring in outside experts who haven't been involved in preparing the plan so that they can do the critique peak and so they have different kinds of expertise now. We're talking about diversity and they don't have the the investment in the plan. They don't feel like they have to make the plan work and the problem with red teams particularly investment businesses since we're making decisions almost daily or certainly fairly frequently have a red team coming in and prepping them as probably prohibitive in terms of time and energy works really well in a big plan works really well with their is outside expertise. You can bring in to influence it but we're making decisions in more in process on a regular basis investment decision. You just couldn't scale it in the right way. That's an important issue is what kind of effort is involved for pre mortem. If you took two hours to do a pre mortem them that would be terrible because people don't have that time so they wouldn't use the pre mortem very often and it would reduce the energy and then people will be sitting back in their co-chair rather than leaning forward ready ready for their turn in the barrel to be able to say. Here's my vet salvo against this plan. Pre Mortem should take no more than a half Our maybe twenty minutes if it goes for an hour that's too long so there's a virtue of keeping it really brief that compresses the energy rather than dissipates is it and when you think about it in the investment process like if you buy a stock that goes wrong it is so painful that if you could just just eliminate a small fraction of the mistakes it makes your life so much better and the batting average with investments. It's like fifty five percent for for someone. That's a hero so if you just make one or two less errors over whatever time period it's a total win and it's not a Lotta time another technique is risk assessment and there are a variety of risk assessment methods in a lot of research has gone into potential risk factors and so having having people systematically go through all of the risk factors and that's strikes me as fairly mechanical and fairly insensitive to context because it's the same factors all the time whereas for pre mortem you're looking about walking. Go wrong with this plant in this context in this situation and so that's going to be the always changing to gary going into any type of organization and you're pitching them on doing pre mortem. How do you describe what the benefits of the pre mortem art organizations first of all we have collected some evidence about what happens to confidence when you use pre mortem. Adam and we compared it to other methods like listing pros and cons listing cons just offering critiques offering critiques seemed to have no impact impact on reducing confidence listening pros and cons are just cons reduced confidence but the pre mortem reduced confidence more than any of the other techniques we measure edged so that's one of the benefits and I think what you mean by that. Is over-confidence right overcome right. We're trying to reduce the Hubris in the group that we figured everything out. The plans perfect vic. Let's go nothing can go wrong so any kind of critique. He method is about reducing overconfidence increase in the humility and recognizing that things can can't go wrong. Thank you for adjusting. You don't have a lot of overconfidence on Wall Street so we assume over-confidence is pretty much. The norm in many settings headings and so pre mortem has that effect a second effect is it changes the culture to some extent who won that accepts candor and and so that's where people are feeling that they can speak out and push they have spoken out with their with their bosses supervisors present and and the world didn't change they didn't get fired. I think one of the following is you do a couple of pre Morton's which I have now done you get to the point where you realize it's so incredibly powerful. You're sort of an idiot not not do it. It's not very much time. You're tapping into your group. You're building confidence within the group to be candor. You're getting more honesty more transparency. The group Dynamic namic improves failed to find anything that hurts because it really talking about a half an hour forty five minutes time commitment so even that time that after you've done a couple of them you get it groups that refused to not do them right. WE'RE NOT GONNA make it to say. I know you're this Gary. I know you feel the same way. I'm at the point now where I won't any plan. I'm in smaller big. I won't go forward without a pre mortem it just once you've done two or three of them. It's so powerful you sort of like why would we not do it and then that increases the the dynamic namic in the group. Everyone is now more candor during the planning process. We've gotten to the point where the pre mortem is sort of not that important because we've been really critical and very constructive way along the process we still do it but at the end is sort of sense of confidence. Were being a much more thoughtful group in sort of figuring these things out that I think is the real benefit has started. Doing you do one that works well well. I don't think he ever go back and another advantage. Is You make the group smarter because now we're listening to each other and realizing I came up with wom looking at Eupol and there were four others that I didn't come up with so at the end of that session. You're smarter you and more sophisticated. Your mental model was richer and and you also have a chance to see somebody who maybe didn't say a word that they really you know they were sitting there. Quietly they were thinking and that they have something to offer and it would have been missed otherwise great well. We've mentioned this paper and what will certainly put a link to it. Where is this paper paper. Sitting today published it in a fairly academic structure. It's called rendering a powerful tool flaccid the misuse of pre Mortem Wall Street. We put it'd out into the wild. We want people to read it. We want people to use it. Certainly we will consult with them. If they have any questions in any way and more formal setting Palmer I will certainly come into an organization. Gary loves doing these so he's available but he's the busiest man I know any lives in Washington. DC So a little bit harder. I teach this Columbia Business School. So if somebody's interested they can come come. When we talk about premiums for that lecture yeah our goal is to just give this away to everybody as much as we can. I guess we haven't officially released it into the wild yet ed but we would have it on our website pitch the perfect investment dot com and then will also try and put it on a SS rn this little be available eligible to the masses and were looking at different academic journals possibly get published but we're just not sure if jumping through all the hoops actually actually getting it published helps are speaking of which what's happened to pitch the perfect investments since you guys were last year talking on the show. It's actually sold really well. I'm GONNA bring more. I recently taught a classical music. School is an investment class for one week. One of the students very experienced hedge fund manager in Australia is taking the class just heard it was a class and he thought you know I might as well read a little bit of the book on My flight to New York that the great he's read a lot written a lot very experienced and he said he started reading it and he didn't stop until he read the very last page so I've heard this from time and time again people particularly practitioners that say you know it's not really designed signed for May. It's really for student. Come out of business school and they start reading it. They're like holy smokes. This is fantastic. I've heard that now enough that I will repeat it where where when we were on last time it was just being launched and the thought was. We hope it's good. You'll people love. It and I can't encourage. I always joke with them. The book is thirty three dollars. There's an Amazon Paulin. I H get a buck and a half will rebate the buck and a half if you buy the book but I really encourage people to read it because I think it's great. I think that they walk away and they're like holy. Smokes smokes either. It just reminded me of some of the things I knew. Maybe gave an insight so I can't encourage people enough and I'm happy to rebate my royalty great. Well Gary while we have you here before we let you go. I want to ask you a couple of closing questions. What's your favorite hobby activity outside of work and family. There's a number that I enjoy movies like to read. I like to jog. I like to play the game of go. That's pretty much it all right. What's your biggest pet. Peeve people thinking that complex tasks down into checklists and procedures and you just have to follow the steps and you don't need expertise and and you just have to follow the steps and don't be an idiot and that's just too shallow quite work that we know what reading do you almost never. Miss New New York Times Sunday sports section. How about what teaching from your parents as most stayed with you. The idea that when you hit looks like a barrier rather than saying okay that's as far as I'm going on this path often. There's a way around it and not to give up so oh quickly but to look around and see. Are there any leverage point so there any opportunities that I haven't considered right last one. What life lesson have you learned that you wish you knew a lot earlier in your life when I see people make mistakes instead of immediately becoming critical and impatient to become curious. Why would somebody smart do something. That look stupid. Maybe there's a reason maybe I need to try to investigate further breath Gary Paul Paul. Thanks so much for joining me. Thanks that thank you very much for having us. Thanks for listening to this episode road. I hope you found a nugget or two to take away. Apply in your best thing and your life. 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Amanpour: Mark Esper, Massoumeh Ebtekar, Elissa Slotkin and Turki Al-Faisal

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Amanpour: Mark Esper, Massoumeh Ebtekar, Elissa Slotkin and Turki Al-Faisal

"Anyway we want and welcome to Amman. For here's what's coming up. We would respond but movie respond proportionate not disproportionately the US braces for Iranian retaliation. And I speak to defense secretary. Mark Asper and in the message from Iran as millions more money for the fourth straight day Iranian vice-president Massoumeh Ebtekar joins me from Tehran. Thus what action will congress take. We hear from the former CIA analyst who served any RAW representative Elissa Slot Kim and even the Saudis. ODY's calling for restraint. We talked to the kingdom's former ambassador to Washington. DC welcome to the program everyone. I'm Christiane Amanpour in London. Allies of the United States meet and call on both sides to de-escalate the crisis as emotionally emotionally charged scenes flood the streets of Iran for the fourth straight day. The latest crowds gathered in my hometown of the slain military. Commander are Sam Souleymane. Iranian state media says at least fifty. Six people have been killed in a stampede. At his burial meantime the United States and the world prepare for Iran's retaliation creation in Tehran. The Foreign Minister Javad Zarif said the response will be proportional in Washington the aftermath has been somewhat confused Defense Secretary remark expert contradicted the president's comments on the possibility of targeting cultural sides vowing to abide by the laws of armed conflict. He has also denied that the US troops are pulling out of Iraq. After a letter that was neat suggested a withdrawal and his joining me now from the Pentagon secretary. Seo Welcome to the program. Good Evening Christiane. Can I start because everybody wants to know this and apparently Congress will be briefed today and tomorrow Loro you the administration has talked about an imminent threat. And that is what led to this strike as you know. Many well plugged in officials. People who apparently have had access to the intelligence briefings even after the stripe have reported to colleagues that the evidence may be razor as a thin chatter was nothing out of the ordinary for what you already know about Sulejmani and his and his plans and activities. So I guess can you look look the American people in the world down the barrel of this camera straight in the eye and say that was a ticking time bomb evidence. Well thank NCUA Christina. First of all let me send a message to the American people in the broader world. First of all to the American people I I want to assure them that they had the best military in the world and the young men and women who wear our uniform of any service are extremely capable professional and prepared to defend our homeland our people our interests in the region and more broadly. Secondly I'd like to say to our service members and our diplomats in the region that we have your back. We thoroughly support. What you're doing we're proud of you and that we were taking every every necessary step to ensure force protection as I know? You're you ready yourself for what may be ahead. Thirdly to our partners allies and directly to the Iranian regime. I'd like to say we are not looking to start a war with Iran but we are prepared to finish one. As I've told my many colleagues says I spoke to them over the last few days what we like to see. He is a situation de escalated and for Toronto. Sit Down with us and begin a discussion about a better way ahead. We think that's the best approach at this point in time. Now Christiane with regard to your question about the intelligence I can assure you that it's more than razor thin and it's and it It was is persuasive. The fact of the matter is Soleimani was caught red-handed on the ground in Baghdad. One terrorist leader of a terrorist organization meeting with another terrorist leader to synchronize plan additional tax on American forces diplomats for facilities. I think we took the right action to remove these players from the battlefield so ticking time bomb imminent threat. Is that what you're saying. I think the threat was was being orchestrated by Sola money. That's what the intelligence reported. That's what he was doing on on the ground and both Baghdad and Damascus and elsewhere and I think it was only a matter of days certainly no more than weeks so that's days weeks rather than than the immediate. Let me ask you this other well presumably will hear more from Congress and I guess I want to ask you what you're picking up now because you've seen the scenes inside Iran you can see that that's not just a outpouring of grief from the people there and rallying around the regime that had been unpopular. But it's also a message. I mean that is a message and you know that better than anybody. You commanded troops on the ground in the first Gulf War. And you have to know your enemy. What do you think they're gonNA do? And what will the United States tolerate. I Ah let me answer that in a moment here but let me go back one second much of this discussion about About the strike we made on Simoni has to look at context to. Here's a person person for over. Twenty years has conducted terrorist acts around the world specifically in that region is the blood of hundreds of American soldiers and service members in his his hands and the wounding of thousands more in the last twelve months alone. He directed approved a resource attacks. On United States forces culminating in the late December number strike that resulted in the death of an American and then of course he was responsible for the siege of the American embassy in Baghdad. So this is no innocent man man. This is a terrorist leader of a terrorist organization and his time was due now with regard to the Iranian people. The question you asked the what you you see what you see. I will tell you that the Iranian people many are upset with the regime that for forty years now has tried to export its revolutionary Marysville and instead of focusing its time and attention and resources on enabling the Iranian people and giving them the leader the liberties and freedoms that they they want it has rather suppress them in some cases in this case led by the could force and Soleimani oppressed or killed Iranian citizens. So we'll see what happens next prepared for the worst. We hope that cooler heads in Tehran will wind up and decided the escalate this situation. Okay so you're sending a very strong message of de Escalation. Obviously you say the United States doesn't want this to launch into. I asked you what would be tolerable to the United States states for a response from Europe. But I also want to read this to you. Because it's news just in and that is even though you've answered the so-called confusion about this letter letter suggesting any withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. That is not the message that the Iraqi prime minister is giving people tonight. He has said publicly publicly tonight. I saved a letter from the US leadership speaking about the withdrawal after four or five hours. It was said to be a mistake. The message was clearly indicating withdrawal from rugs we directly send a letter to the foreign ministry to on bastion in Washington and two other parties. And as you know he's been quoted as saying we interpret that as calling for a withdrawal. Wouldn't that precisely be what the Iranians have wanted and could an unintended consequence of this strike actually end with. US forces somehow withdrawing from Iraq and from the region well first of all Christiane a draft raft unsigned letter that was acquired by an Iraqi official has no import it has no value whatsoever so the fact that any anybody would take it seriously or respond onto it I would say this. United States is not withdrawing from Iraq. In fact in my conversations with my counterpart the Iraqi Defense Minister I conveyed to him that we do want to stay. Stay in Iraq. We wanted to continue the important defeat. Isis mission that. We're they're partnering with them by Helping Training System which also has the SALVATORI benefit of also helping enable more strong and more independent and more prosperous Iraq. That's what the Iraqi people want. In fact in the last few days Iraqis are still protesting their government corruption in other parts of the country. That's not being focused on. Also my conversations with allies and partners both in the region and outside the region in Europe. I've assured them the the United States is committed to defeat Isis mission. And to do that we need to be retain a presence in Iraq to be there to enable the Iraqi government and to enable that mission. Okay so two points there One victory Pompeo who said that everybody will be much safer since this attack and yet the American of being told to withdraw draw from from Iraq and other such places but the American people from from the embassy but also you talk about continuing the fight against Isis. And surely that's an immediate casualty. I mean you've announced publicly that will be limited or suspended most military people commanders. Who I've spoken to say that your forces are going to be hunkered down in Syria and Iraq on? You won't be fighting Isis. You'll be fully in force protection mode shortly. That's a victory for the terrorist Harris that well we continue to gauge Isis in Syria and elsewhere of course isis is a threat that is operating all the way from Africa across the Middle East and Afghanistan. Hannah stand with regard to Iraq. Our mission there is to train advise and assist the Iraqis so I don't see any material impact right now. In the short term on that mission again the broader a broader messages that. We're there to help the Iraqi people I think. It's evident in the vote that was held the other day if you look at it. Nearly all the Kurds and all the new Sunni Council representative members either abstained or did not vote because they recognize the strategic importance of the relationship between the United States and Iraq and those Shia. who did Ed vote in? Many cases did so because they were threatened by these Iranian sponsored Shia militia groups who said either vote our way or else and so I think again when you look at the broader broader message the broader needs and wants of the Iraqi people. What they want is what? We want a strong independent and prosperous Iraq that that is free from Milan Iranian influence. I want to ask you about the fifty. Two sides that president trump tweeted about once and then doubled down on and you have responded by saying the United States military will abide by the code of uniform an armed conflict as you know it is illegal it is a war crime crime just to give such an order again your commander on the ground and you know that a general or commander Kennedy even give such an order because that would be a war crime even if it's is not carried out you would have to as the senior civilian in the Defense Department you would have to refuse that order. Make sure it wasn't given are. Are you prepared to do that. Look as as we always have. The United States will follow the laws of armed conflict and international law and I have no doubt in my mind at the end of the day the we will follow the laws of armed conflict. If we end up in a situation with Iran and that the commander in chief will only give us legal orders so the cultural title targets. The cultural sites are off the table. Is that correct. We do not violate the laws of armed conflict. Can I ask you what you make of. Even your allies. Even those who are. Let's say anti Iranian. The Saudis like the others like the Israelis many many allies in the region have told did you publicly privately and the Saudi Deputy Defense Minister has been meeting with you meeting with other high officials to call for restraint. Your other allies the British the Germans Germans the French NATO allies according on you and Iran to de-escalate you being put in the same boat as Iran on. I don't recall this ever happening before the United States and a nation like Iran of both being put in the same boat of both being offered to de-escalate. How does that make you feel? Well I guess I disagree with your premise Krisztian. I will tell you and I've talked to all these allies and partners. The ones in the region are fully one hundred percents supportive of what we've done what we're prepared to do. They see the removal of Sumani this known terrorists and head of a terrorist organization his removal from the battlefield. It is a great victory and They know what it means that it's a game changer. For the region so they are fully behind us. They are saying beyond that much like we are is. It's time hard for the situation to be the escalated the Iranian government. The Iranian regime has been escalating now for forty years. It's peaked in the last several months I was very clear my public licking messaging to the media and elsewhere that these attacks need to stop the escalation and scale and scope many which if not all of which were orchestrated or directed improve by Sulejmani. I did the same messaging as well when I met with my counterparts in Iraq and elsewhere so this has been. The escalation is been driven by Iran not by the United States dates. We have not responded in self defense and now we're saying at this point in time it's time to deescalate the situation. Let's get back on a different path. A path where we sit it down across negotiating table and find a better way forward in terms of how Iran can start behaving like a normal country with respect to secretary senior Americans. Friends have told me that intelligence officials in your own intelligence officials predicted precisely this kind of Iranian escalation after a the maximum pressure campaign that followed the withdrawal from the nuclear deal. They predicted attacks on shipping. In the Gulf it happened. They predicted attacks on Saudi Arabia. It happened they suggested it might happen against. US basis targets it did happen You talk about Slimani but what is the strategy here. I mean and you knew that this was possibly going to happen. Wasn't why's you talk about solely money. Nobody is claiming that he was a good guy. None of your allies are everybody knows what his role in the region was but by the same token previous administrations when they could did not take him out Israel when he could take him out for fear of the consequences. I guess I WANNA ask you. Do you regret putting that extreme option on the table for the president. Wouldn't some of the other options have sufficed in this in this period to send a very strong message of deterrence. Well Christiane I would say many experts going back a few years now predicted and were proven. True that in the wake of the PLO which did not cover ballistic missiles which which did not cover Iran hostage taking which did not cover Iran's Milan behavior that such activities we pick up particularly when we opened up the economic spigots and we returned to them Tens of billions of dollars. We saw this activity across the region against spanning from Africa through the Middle East to have Ghanistan. And what's happened. The last few years in Iraq doc in particular in the last twelve months is just a manifestation of a Iranian regime that is bent on exporting its Revolutionary Mary beliefs and so that was predicted what we felt as an act of self defense in response to this was enough is enough. They did not heed. Our warnings and it was Tom. America responded so it was the first time we've done so forcefully and as long as I can remember so the message has been delivered. I think at this point. It's time for the Iranians to step back and realize that the game has changed. And we'RE NOT GONNA put up with this bad behavior so you stand by that advice that that sort of the ultra ultra options so to speak. I don't characterize anything. We want my obligation and duty is to present to the present a series of military options that achieve a- An end state of political state. And when we do that we present him with the pros and cons the pluses and minuses. And we go in there fully aware of what it may mean and again in this case given given the facts on the ground seeing the escalatory behavior of the Romanians their unwillingness to heat our warnings it was time that we took an action with that would take a terrorist leader of a terrorist organization off the battlefield. He is the orchestrator of all. That has been maligned behavior throughout the region for two plus decades now sector aspect. Hispano you have to go. Thank you for joining us from the Pentagon. Thank you Christiane so inside Iran parliament. There is already taking action unanimously. Let's be voting to designate or U. S. forces terrorists. Massoumeh Ebtekar is an Iranian vice president. And she's joining me from Tehran. Vice President Takao. Welcome to the program program. Thank you you heard Secretary espy. They're being very clear. Aboud how'd standing by the advice standing by the decision to a target General Suleimani and at the same time calling calling for de Escalation. Can you tell me. Will Iran respond to that. Call for de-escalation well. The Iranian people are now responding for the past three days. I think that it's very the evidence I've seen some footage coming through even in CNN of the millions who are marching in support and in commemoration Shen of Commander Sulaimaniyah who they call the commander of the hearts and this very clear indication of the response of the Iranian nation Russian. And the fact that the the presence of the people the huge crowds are staggering. And even for us who we've even taken part in many of these marches and demonstrations from the beginning of the revolution. This is something else and from one city to another city. It is a resurrection. It's a revival of Islamic revolution. It's a revival of the Iranian nation. And the Ronnie nation is strongly supporting It's a commander who they call the commander of the hearts who they call the soldier Europe Iran. And I think the responses very clear Iranian nation. They stand very firmly It's very clear that the American American government has taken a terrorist action against a general a official of the the Islamic Republic of Iran of course before that they took a Terrorist action by imposing harsh sanctions against the Islamic Republican Iran on against the people even depriving our patients are our children from the different medicines that they need eight. This is a terrorist action by all means and then the Continuing on this level and then and this terrible assassination of Our commander in Iraq. And it's also very clear that Sulaimaniyah Martyr Sulaimaniyah was in Iraq for pursuing a what the prime minister of Iraq said that it was a a political and diplomatic mission that he had and Okay was there on the request of the Iraqi government all these days all these years and his stance hands against Isis his stance against die ish against the terrible terrorist organization which was in a sense supported and created created by either the US allies in the region or the US itself again. This is very clear for the world. I think so too the response of the Iranian nation the overwhelming turnout of the people in the streets from city to city from Abbas to Tehran Ron to all to mash hat today in sheet ause in Hamdan An Care Mon- I think their response is a Very very clear so people have actually been astounded by the outpouring on the streets and as you say many people have taken note of it. It's interesting what you say that. This is the revival of the Islamic revolution the the revival of the nation because clearly the United States Even after the strike that killed General Soleimani said they hoped that Iran would ready against its Islamic Republic Blake and actually cause the republic before they. That's what they hope for. And we saw in Iran many many protests against the government. Just recently we saw in Iraq many many protests against Iran presence in Iraq and also in Lebanon. Are you saying that that is now now gone the now people rallying around the flag again. And what pressure will that put on your leadership in terms of responded I'm saying that the American government the American president made a serious this miscalculation they made a serious mistake by assassinating By taking this terrorist action against Serb Commander Soleil money and I'm sure that they regret what they've done. Because the response is not only limited to Iran we see this wave of awakening in many countries in the world in many European countries in the US of the people in the US Their reactions yes. I've been seeing some of this on the Social Networks on twitter This is an awakening. The people now understand very well L.. What has happened and the terrible actions of the American government and this yes? This is brought the Iranian nation together. And this is a great opportunity for Iran today and people are standing firmly behind the bronze behind the supreme leader behind the country. And I think this is a clear indication of the fact that that Iran has been righteous in its positions in his Political diplomatic stance and and if we have been present in Iraq. It's been on the invitation of the government. It's our neighborhood is our security Working working always for peace and stability in this region We fought and commander Sulaiman fought against Daweish and it was successful than the reason that we see the demise of Ish in Syria and Iraq has been. The support of the people in those areas is but also The leadership and the support of a commander like Sunday money who was invited by those governments to assist the help open I think that That is the reason. That's the main reason that he was targeted. Because he stood up against terrorism he was a symbol of the the demise of Diet and His strength his charismatic personality the fact that he was also Very very close to the people in his heart I think that this is very important. Enforcing today for us. And this is created a great news spirit in the Islamic Republic of Iran and many many countries in the world for all those who support freedom seekers For those who support the oppressed is to because it's very clear that Iran is Being targeted and Sulejmani was singled out out because of this quest for righteousness against the massacre. You know you portray General Soleimani as as I can Che Guevara or Robin Hood. Clearly you think that but nobody else in the world did certainly not the Americans who were the target of many of his Shia militias delicious and six hundred or so Americans were killed in Iraq. Certainly many people were very upset about what happened in Syria and on and on it goes so for you. who was that person for the rest of the world? He was an enemy. I WanNa ask you though. What will the proportional response? It's me. I need this. I need to ask you this because I've just got to ask you this. The New York Times reports that the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei came due to a meeting of the National Security Council to discuss Iran's response and retaliation and he said it needs to be direct proportional carried out by Iranian Indian forces. I E not deniability not proxies none of that kind of stuff but an actual Iranian response. What do so you think your country will and should do and you feel decision has been made as I mentioned the responses already begun the presence of the people in the different cities are Not only in Iran but contrary to what you mentioned I think that the hearts of people the hearts and minds of people throughout the world are with our country our our with our nation and they understand that this has been a terrorist act and I also think that the response that the the Iraqi parliament had to aalst American forces from this region. I think that this is the beginning of a movement where America has to leave this region. This is a region which has been plagued by American interference from very long before for and this is time that the Americans leave and Let this region to the people of this region. Let them Stand stand up for their own nations for freedom for democracy in those nations This is our neighborhood I think that the Americans have to leave even go back to their own neighborhood attend their own affairs and leave us. I think this is the important response that we see now coming and this will be into effect and of course are Forces are armed forces or security forces. They they have their plans as the supreme leader indicated. And as you hear from the people because this is an expectation that you hear or a lot from the people you hear a lot from The ordinary people That they're asking for some response and I think that it's A response will be made and It's not it's not going to be limited to only see the what you see in the streets and the response to people have. I'm finally to other governments in the region. I hope we'll also follow the course that the Iraqi government is to Ask The American forces to leave this region and that will create more peace contrary to what the American government said from the beginning that they started their interference in this region. They brought insecurity. They brought war they brought terrorism and if they leave this region to itself we will be able to be bills and we will be able to bring peace and security and unity among the people the nations in this region. So I think that this is. This is the most important important response that we expect. Can I ask you west. Asia will be relieved from American presence I I have heard that message coming out of your own for the days since this Since this targeted killing the final response should be from your perspective to remove American forces. But that would've lost. Who is this because you were a an are committed revolutionary? You are very prominent during the early days of the Islamic revolution but you became came more of a reformist as well and you supported the negotiations for the Iran nuclear deal and diplomacy to to you know. Settle some issues. My question to you now is. Is that completely out of the window of people like you and former ministers berry even President Ronnie who took a gamble symbol negotiating with the United States. They sidelined is it now. Those who believe that American can never be discussed with our form of a better word hardliners. The Islamic revolutionary. Guard call. They more in the ascendancy. Is there any hope negotiations very briefly if you wouldn't mind the actions of president trump in pulling out of the nuclear deal which was a multilateral all international agreement for peace and security and those working very well that that actually gave the message that the American in government is not looking for peace and security is not looking for multilateral resolution and unfortunately what they did it pulling out of that deal and then imposing illegal sanctions economic terrorism against our nation And then after that This recent terrible action against Commander Soleil money. This is all `indicative of the fact that the time for negotiation gauthier has passed unfortunately and but as a again we have announced President Bro Honey has announced announced Foreign Minister has announced We are always looking for peace and security in this region and but every time we have announced that if the sanctions are lifted Iran is still sitting the JCP away. The nuclear deal is still in place. Although we've decreased are the level of our commitments Because because there hasn't been any collaboration on this deal but still we've announced that anytime that The sanctions are lifted. They change course in American policy. Then again it would be possible but Tov. I think things are changing very rapidly and this is all. Due to the terrorists. Unilateral policies of the American government turn fortunately and Iran is a strong nation proud nation and Iran will respond. It's it's very clear and and I think that this is what the people are asking and the state government has to respond to the People Vice President Atiku. Thank you very much for joining us from Tehran tonight. Let's face it. Most New Year's resolutions are hard to keep get more more exercise. Save more money well. 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Oh briefing from the administration on the intelligence that led to the targeted killing of solely money and Democrats wanted to limit the president taking the country to war congresswoman woman Eliza Slot. Kim has been tasked with drawing up a war powers resolution that and she is a former CIA analyst who serve to toys in Iraq. And she's joining me now from Capitol Hill Congresswoman Slot in welcome to the program. Thanks for having me. I'm just to get your initial reaction. You probably just heard the Iranian vice president. I don't know whether you heard Secretary Espen. But what we have right now is calls for de-escalation and people don't want war and yet both sides calling each other terrorists terrorists blaming each other for this action that finally took place the targeted killing of Awesome Soleimani. Just just respond to what you're hearing right now. Yeah I mean for me unfortunately feels like a classic case of a cycle of esclation right. We've had this tit for tat going on for about a year. We certainly escalated with the killing of Qassem Soleimani. And this idea that somehow the cycle of Esscalation is now going to lead to cooler cooler heads prevailing just doesn't track with sort of normal kind of conflict and how it starts. I don't actually question the secretary of a defense or even the president's intent that they don't want to get into a war but most wars are not intended most wars. You get this tit for tat. That goes in the spiral and then suddenly each has its backup. And you can't back down and you inadvertently fall into war and that to me. I think we are very high risk of doing right now. So it's not just about intent. Our actions means something beyond our control. So you serve two tours of duty in Iraq yours former. CIA analyst a Secretary expert commanded troops infantry troops in the first Gulf War in Iraq. I tried to ask him. How are you reading your enemy? Everybody has to read and know their enemy enemy in order to respond. And you just heard vice president say the streets of Iran have already responded and they are demanding more than just these outpourings on the streets but action. How do you read with all your knowledge and experience an intelligence gathering what the message from Iran is well? Listen I mean the first thing you need to think about is what if something like this happened to us right. And I'm not saying that costumes will. Amani is a good guy. That guy is not a good guy and the idea that the vice president was putting forth that Iran only wants you know peace and safety in the region. I'm sorry that is just not factually correct. That said imagine if any country had the equivalent of a CIA head of CIA or four star general killed. There would certainly be pressure sure to respond and obviously the pictures. In Iran are striking. The Iranian political leaders are going to be under tremendous pressure to do something and what we know from Iranians behavior. Here is that they don't always respond a symmetric sort of predictable way. They're going to take their time. They're going to think about how to get back at us and that to me is extremely dangerous Chris so even if there are cooler heads in Tehran right now just watching. What's going on in their own streets? They're going to feel pressure to respond and that is dangerous. Thank you as I said. Spent time any rug under fire on some occasions you were the direct recipient or you knew about a Kacem Slimani Johnny and his militias and the Iranian backed Shia militias. There describe what it was like being being there knowing into these attacks were coming towards you and the decisions that were made. I mean why in other words wasn't this personality taken out before when he was within sight side of the United States or Israel. Yeah so I actually did three tours in Iraq with the CIA alongside the military. And I'm actually a Shia militia analyst by training in Iraq and in my entire career we knew who Qassem Soleimani was and we watched star rising largely because of the destablizing glazing be actions that he was the architect of so we've known about him for a long time and under both the Bush administration when I was working working under Bush and when I was working under Obama both administrations are trying to struggle with how we deal with this man and with the kids force that he commanded ended given what they were doing in the region but whenever we got to the point of thinking about him personally for various legal reasons and policy reasons we decided did not to move forward and it was like it was almost always because you know the impact and the results of taking that action would create this spiral of esscalation and that would lead to something we could no longer control and it would push us into conflict and we were very worried as we all should be about Iran's nuclear intentions and the idea of getting getting into a war with a country that's been obstinate about their nuclear program in the past was always something that said you know. This is not the moment to get into war. You fast forward to now. When we've all been living with protracted war in the Middle East? I I represent Michigan. I don't know anyone who is looking to get into another long protracted war. We're in the Middle East that we can't predict how to get out of and I think that's what's really on the minds of my constituents back home and that always kept us from taking being such an escalatory step such killing Qassem Soleimani. I want to ask you about this current phase of escalation. We could go. Oh back forty years and talk about Iran against the United States the United States against Iran. Y- this could. This could go on and on as a conversation for a long time. But this current round round of escalation by General Consensus among certain people seems to have started when the president not just pull the US out of the Iran nuclear deal but started this policy of so-called maximum pressure. And as I put to Secretary Esperer and he didn't really buy into it. I've been told that your intelligence heavens agencies actually told the Cabinet told the president that this is precisely what they predicted Iran would do from the attacks on shipping in the Gulf from the attack inside Saudi some kind of attack and also targeting Americans potentially in Iraq who else wet I mean I mean I guess the question is why won't precautions taken. Did people understand that there was this escalation coming. and Are you concerned that this administration hasn't thought through steps two three and four beyond the targeted killing. Yeah I mean certainly if there's a strategy behind all of this it is hard to interpret and if it's hard to interpret for me as an American who has a national security background imagine how hard it is is to interpret for the Iranian government. And I want to say I mean I think of course. I have to assume that the administration understood if they were going to ratchet up pressure on Iran over the past past year plus then there was going to be an escalation. I think it's clear from secretary. Aspirin others at their hope and their intent was that that ratcheting up of pressure would would result in then coming back to the negotiating table and this is where I think. They're missing a big piece of the story. which is just understanding Iran? Right anyone who studied the Iranians for the past forty years could say clearly that. If you're going to ratchet up pressure that's actually not gonNA bring them back to the table. That's actually going to force them into a corner. It's going to empower their real sort of strong sort of anti-american leaders and we're going to have the opposite effect and we have data and history three to sort of prove that so I don't I don't question their intentions. What I question is their knowledge and understanding of Iran as a player? Unfortunately these are issues of major consequence. You're talking about people like my stepdaughter. And my son in law who are in the military who are potentially going to have to be engaged aged in conflict with Iran so this is the most grave conversation we can have as a country and I'm not sure that the strategy really supports what they were hoping thing to do. Well interesting because you said you supported Michigan Michigan voted for president trump. You've said your constituents fully do not expect to be going into to another Middle Eastern war and didn't sign up for this and obviously president trump campaigned on ending. And this was so I wonder what you make and what the American people will make make of what Secretary Pump said today talking about America's strategy to confront and contain Iraq. Maybe just play you. What he said? In the State Department proofs administration made a different choice. They chose to underwrite in a piece. We have chosen to confront and contain those. Those are different strategies we believe ours is successful and we ultimately believe it will be successful making around behave like a normal nation will. We'll deny them the capacity to build out their nuclear program and threatened that only Americans and our lives to keep Americans safe which is our mission set but also to create enhance stability ability throughout the Middle East. We're confident that that's the case confident. That that's the case I mean basically saying that the Obama Administration appeased and underwrote about them and again confront and contain. Do you think that this squares with what the president's campaign promise was and also do you believe that this will be a deterrent. Yeah I mean usually when we talk about confronting the country it's different than containing meaning a country right containment means. You're just trying to keep everything calm. You're trying to make sure they don't project violence onto you. You're just trying to keep the situation kind of quiet. Confrontation is confrontation. And so I think what he's talking about is sort of at odds with each other. I'm not sure I understand what that strategy is because Iran gets a vote in this conversation. We don't get to decide what happens if we're going to confront them. There's there's no reason why the Iranians would just stand there and say well okay I'll be contained and I won't respond so I'm missing the strategy. I'm having a hard time understanding it and I really believe that the president does not want another long entrenched war. I believe that I I just think the folks that are advising him are maybe leading him to a place that he does not intend and the problem is when you're the president or the secretary of State or Secretary Secretary of Defense. Your decisions mattered deeply for those of us on the ground. I mean think of everyone who's fought since nine eleven right now. They're looking at the situation and saying what's going to happen. Am I going to get called up. Am I going to have to go back to the Middle East Words have consequences it and I'm not sure they're thinking in all the way through this and again you talked about people advising the president. I mean as you know the Republican senator. Tom Cotton has talked about an easy war. With Iran on there will be two strikes first and then the last strike President Trump said the United States has just been two trillion dollars on military equipment with the biggest and by far all the best in the world if Iran attacks American base or an American. We'll be sending some of that brand new beautiful equipment their way for the American people from your experience. Can you just came plan. What a war with Iran would look like and how easy or difficult it would be? Well listen My husband was in the army for thirty years. I have no doubt that we are the most capable military in the world. I worked at the Pentagon and the CIA head extremely strong faith in our military. That's not the question. The question is do we as a country. Want to get into another war. And I gotta I gotTa tell you when senators who aren't in uniform start talking about how easy war is going to be. It reminds me of what twenty years ago. When we thought we'd be in on Iraq? In what a couple of months and as someone who whose husband did tours over there it was not an easy thing. The invasion is easy right. The first part is easy. It's finishing it that we can't seem to to really do in an effective and efficient way. So I gotTa Tell You when I hear senators talking about easy war it sounds like a drumbeat. You a drumbeat that we here and here when people get their backs up and I just want people to think for a second about what it means to be potentially sliding into war. You're one in that case you as I said have been tasked with drawing up a war powers Resolution Act. What do you hope to be able to achieve? What is it going to say? You know you have a Republican dominated. Senate what can be achieved in trying to limit any possible war. Yeah so we're working right now. For the language I think the intent of it is that we just abide by the constitution and the Constitution was very very clear about authorization of Military Harry Force right now as the secretary of Defense said in testimony in December the Pentagon does not have authorization for military force against restaurant right that has not been provided by Congress. So we're going to do this. Then the president has the responsibility to come back here and have a real conversation with the American people out in the public with the US Congress as our founders intended now. The president always has the right to self-defence any president does if we are in trouble. The president can authorize military action without coming back to us. But the truth is secretary expert. Who you just had on would not say that there was an imminent pressing threat? The caused this attack. He would not say the word imminent so for me. I think we need to understand. And we're going to have a briefing tomorrow from Secretary Pompeo and and others what's behind the threat that they see that they saw that prompted the attack on Sola money. And where do they see this going. And under what legal authority they I seek to pursue it. I think those are just basic questions that we want answered and for me if they won't answer them in person that's the reason we're putting together a resolution to try and deal with it through like just and finally I know you have to go finally having served in Iraq and Iraq being such an important of base for the United States. You've heard what the prime administer their believes that there has been an official letter talking about withdrawal secretary. Espy says no is just a draft. And how could they take it seriously. What do you think is going to be the fallout? And do you believe because this is what I'm hearing the drumbeat from Iran from everybody saying the retaliation will be the US out of Iraq and out of our region. Do you foresee that. And what is the danger of that. Well Listen I. I'm a a big believer that it's important that the United States be in Iraq and small numbers in order to keep the pressure on Isis. which is the original reason were there but also importantly need to counterbalance the Iranian influence on the Iraqi government so I hope that the Iraqi government does not decide to kick us out of Iraq? Obviously parliament had a nonbinding. They vote this is up to the prime minister. And he's going to be meeting with his cabinet. I think it would be a real strategic loss. I think it would also be ironic because costume Sola money. Johnny is the architect of the idea that if you just punish the United States and threatened the United States in Iraq. They'll feel like the juice isn't worth the squeeze and they'll you've reached out of Iraq with our tail between our legs. That's what he wanted in life and I hope that he does not get it in desk because right now the Iraqi government is in a very very very tough spot their sovereignty was violated and they have the right to decide what happens in their country. I hope cooler heads prevail again and everyone just takes breath but to me. I don't want the results of Qassem Soleimani Steph to be that. We see the country of Iraq to Iran Elissa SLATKIN representative. Thank you so much indeed for joining us. Thank you both Iraq and Iran is. You've heard claim that same. Sulejmani wasn't Iraq where he was struck and killed to discuss easing tensions between Shia Iran and Suny Saudi Arabia the heart of so much conflict in the Middle East Saudi officials and the US Secretary of State and secretary espy reject that claim but the kingdom is leading the effort for a de-escalation of tensions and their deputy defense minister flew to Washington into to press that case with the White House and the Pentagon as you heard that is what's the US wants as well. And I discussed Saudi concerns with Prince. Turki Al Faisal the former Bassett to the United States Prince. Turki Al Faisal. Welcome to the program. Thank you for achieving me tonight. Well it's very very very tense situation especially for your region and your nation a very senior Saudi defense official has been to the White House to the Pentagon to try to to talk to the US about this escalating crisis. Have you heard anything back and do you believe. Do you believe that. Saudi Arabia can get this de-escalated it. Well I hope so. I'm not in the government loop of course but the king has been in touch with the president of Iraq and Prince. Mohammed has been in touch with the prime minister of Iraq. Calling for a de-escalation the kingdom does not want more conflict in the area as has been shown consistently in the past few years years. And if I can just remind you that Wendy Iran attacked the ARAMCO oilfield The kingdom kept its cool and did not respond in kind. So we're not looking for war we want to de escalate and we want people to be in a piece for mood. Do you believe that you will have have any success with that message. Given the fact that we all know that you tried to have the same influence on President George W Bush before they launched the war war in Iraq in two thousand and three I was in Riyadh I covered yours and the kingdom's efforts to de-escalate before that war I really can't say I wish I had a Christobal to tell you what the future will hold but I think the kingdom's a word is heard in not only in the White House but throughout the area as well. Do you think that it will come to ward you. Think either accidentally or by a cycle of of tit for tat escalation that it could tip over into the worst case scenario. I hope not I think if they keep their cool and not you know not Me Bombastic and Increase the tension and so on that. Maybe maybe we can get over the situation but it's a long running thing. Let me just remind you poor and he since the start of the Iranian revolution. Iran has been the provocative entity in the area area with the remember the hijacking of the embassy in Tehran and other activities culminating in the bombing of the Aramco oilfields in Saudi Arabia. So eight is They have to show a bit of Wisdom and reticence to adhere to basheikh attitudes that. They've taken over the years. Yesterday I spoke to Stephen Hadley. He was the former national security advisor for President Bush and AH during nine eleven and the war in Iraq. He was a deputy but he told me that he believed at least he thought the trump administration was aiming for deterrents. Just listen to to what he told me. I think The administration wanted to send a message to the Iranian regime. That this this had to stop or there would be consequences so I think it was to prevent an imminent attack and I think it was also to try to send a broader deterrence message to to try to halt an escalating set of attacks on American forces in Iraq. Do you agree with that. I mean will it have a deterrent effect. You think I hope so I believe as I said if the Iranians are wise enough to appreciate the consequences of any retaliation nation by them then they they will not be provocative but if they let their their passions Override their their their their brains. Then that might be another situation altogether if indeed this results in the United States forces being expelled from miracco somehow being withdrawn from Iraq and other international forces the coalition fighting the terrorists that are isis and others. Who are the winners out which of these kinds of consequences? I don't know if there are any winners but definitely I remember when I was in Basseterre in London. After after the American invasion of Iraq I remember telling American counterparts. At that time that got my hope was that Americans would not leave Iraq as precipitously as they had entered it at the start of the war unfortunately sadly the withdrawal of troops from Iraq was precipitous. If you remember under Obama and it led to the is is You know rising ising and the subsequent return of American forces et CETERA. So it's an ongoing situation and I really cannot predict what's going to happen there. Would you agree with the analysis that the US invasion of Iraq in two thousand three actually empowered Iran. By taking away their arch enemy enemies Saddam Hussein and linking them up with the huge number of a across the border in Iraq. Most definitely and and you see it every day and The the reflection of that is that the Iraqi people if you remember since a few months back have been demonstrating in the streets. And they're they're they're they're demonstrations. They're shouting slogans like Iran. Get out get out. Because they feel the Iranian control over them and and that is to be expected and this is happening in Lebanon now ended emonstration there they they also want to be rid of the Iranian influence wants over them Through Hezbollah there. That of course was before everyone started rallying around in the aftermath of this assassination unintended consequences as we always say Prince Turki Al Faisal. Thank you very much indeed for joining us. Thank you MS among poor. Thank you so the clear message from our interviews tonight is that the US wants de-escalation. We'll see how this plays out. That is it for now. Thanks for watching and goodbye from London. Are you interested in learning how enterprise scale companies drive organic traffic to increase their online visibility than download the voices of search podcast from the heart of Silicon Valley here search metrics inc.. CEO Jordan Kuni. Does he delivers actionable. 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Remove the Term "Early"

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Just it's like a showed up all throughout the college football season in the College Football playoff rankings. Were talking recruiting today. Recruiting is one way that teams. Try to protect themselves from mayhem. Don't let mayhem show up on your turf. Get better protected with all state and I mentioned the early signing period begins this Wednesday seventy a two hour window for many of the big names to make their commitment ahead college football national recruiting coordinator Craig. Albert will join us here on the college football podcast. But First Tom Luganville College football analysts and national recruiting director for. ESPN joining us here in the college football. PODCAST with Herb Street and folic Lou. Ah this is year three of the early signing period in December at first coaches were leery about it season just ended up getting ready you for bowl games now. This week is looked at completely differently. How would you compare this Wednesdays what we see in early February? Well I think you could improperly removed the term early when we talk about early signing period essentially this has become the signing period. I'm starting to call the first win. They February residual visual signing period. Because it's for what's left on the board and when you're looking at the first two races or this Kevin you know you had roughly seventy two percent of the a class in the twenty eighteen class. Signed during this seventy two hour window last year. That number bumped up to about seventy six percent. It when you consider. There's roughly twenty two hundred players. They are going to sign an SDS letter of intense in one single class. That doesn't leave a lot left on the board. In the month of January so group of five schools lower-tier power five schools. Really make up a lot of ground in the month of January but this has become all about the previous players two hundred sixty players out of the ESPN three hundred a year ago. Signed during the seventy two hour window why are they signing so early. What's behind that? I really think that they're done. They're just done with the process. They're ready to move on. So many of these kids now have become Burleigh enroll lease and want to be able to get on campus to get entrenched in the program. They've been recruited for so long over the course of sometimes two two and a half three years when they've gotten to the point where they're just they know and they're done with the whole thing. You don't need to wait for another six. Seven weekday programs certainly. Don't want to have to babysit during that time. That's not benefiting anybody Where where I think that you have your greatest challenges is when it comes to the early signing period in the kids that have really enjoyed the process and maybe haven't been verbally committed for two four eight eight months? What have you? They're the ones you gotta worry about. They're the ones that can be lured there the one that Kinda responded overtures from other program. But it's really meant intended for those guys that no one would wanna go made. Their commitment are turned that commitment in a ready to put paper. Let's talk a little bit about this class. What are the positions of strengthen? Your mind for me I. It starts on the on the defensive side of the football particularly in the Defensive Front Kevin Seven I think there's there's four pretty physicians in football and doesn't matter what level you're at. You're in the offense to wind the defensive line quarterback and defensive cornerback and when you look at our rankings and we may differ from some of the Internet outlets. But we're GONNA place a higher premium on the defensive line and then the offense of mine and that's why you'll we'll see guys like David desma Evan Miles Murphy Brian. REC- Jordan burst. That's four players. Right there that all ranked within the top five overall of the ESPN three hundred and they all play in the same position. If you round out let's just say the rest of the ten top fifteen You've got other other guys like Chris. braswell outside linebackers justin flow and savell small. These are all front seven players and when you look at the common denominator of what it takes to build a championship caliber team. Will you look at cleanse. You look at a lot of state you you look at Alabama and you see what's happened over the last seven years of national champion. That's how those teams are built it from the inside out. Let's take a closer look at at the teams year. 'cause Mario Cristobal in Oregon made some big time noise last year with their class led by the number for one player in the ESPN three hundred list defensive in cave on and and he kinda stole them in USC territory there in California which coach and which program is surprised. You so far. Well certainly it was Oregon a year ago. There's there's no doubt about that. I think for my money who it's going to be. It might end up being herm Edwards at Arizona State. They got an opportunity to build off of what was a remarkable twenty nineteen recruiting class. They're GONNA have Several all starters back All the successful second year campaign and they're still in The the Justin flow Recruitment is they're battling Georgia origin. They're battling Clemson in some of these other big dogs from outside the footprint but or whatever reason Arizona state seems to be resonating with kids particularly in the state of California made such an effort to concerted effort to get into that state especially the UCLA has been down. It's it's just the perfect take time so I really like Arizona state in that role to be a team that I think could gain ground at the end of the seventy period. They get Jaden Daniels last year. It seemed like they got ten quarterbacks last year terms first full recruiting class. Pretty remarkable stuff. which fan base do you think's going to have some questions here here afterwards and say what are we doing? What's the direction? Where are we going? You know what that's GonNa. That's a very interesting question. I think it's probably going to fall onto onto the lap of Mike Norville and say that and it's not fair to necessarily say that about folder state. Because you have a you have a new coach. A new brand new attitude the new approach but this is also a program. It has not signed a quarterback. Now let this thing. Kim Kevin has not signed a quarterback in two years. Four to stay all right now. I think they're gonNA sign one on Wednesday and I think that they're going to continue to grow role but the fan base for four states. They need to see an influx of offense lineman. They they need to see quarterback through treatment. Is there to believe that this was the right choice in the Florida. STATE IS GONNA be trending upward in moving in the right direction. So I think the jury very still out in terms of not only the ground for six Jane between now and product but the ground that they're going to gain in January because they're still going to have a lot a lot on the board in Florida Florida State Fans WanNa see results recruiting to give them a light at the end of the summer but keep this a mind to what a year ago they had Sam Howell and he d- d- committed. Then you know. He's I star for North Carolina's class with Mack Brown. What he's done in his freshman season thirty five touchdowns didn't didn't Florida's they lose a commit? Just in the last week named Jephson's they did. And and now they're looking a getting another quarterback swing in and take automaker from The state of Georgia. And so hopefully they'll look at the swap one for what and I'll tell you another team to if you're if you're a fan of his team you've gotta be concerned and what's what's what's happening. Great now well how this could impact future and that's the UFC trojans I understand committing to to clay Helton but when you come out and sprays the commitment way Elton as saying our coach is going to return for the twenty twenty season that does not bode well on the recruiting trail. Because you're not giving any type of long term solution. So so. What are those coaches supposed to do? What are they supposed to do now? We supposed to do moving forward and this is the USC clap doesn't currently right with our top forty classes in college. Football football right now. I'm recruiting days away from the signing lose out. How does that happen? And I understand the instability in the negative recruiting that goes on but you are. USC Yeah I mean I. It's a me she's the name of US regardless of the coaching. I'm stunned by that. Where you're not the top forty I understand the instability with clay Helton all all season long? And then you give basically the ammunition to all the other coaches. When you don't make a full commitment pass twenty twenty but for them not to be in the top OP forty that? That's a shock. It is in Kevin. What's even more shocking is out of the ten verbal commitment to have only two of them were forced stars in our opinion everybody else is a three star level players? They have very few very few players. that we look at it and say okay I think the USC football for the last thirty years and I think it's dominant offense dominated wind played team that can match up against anybody and I also think of a program. You talked to college. Coach's especially those in the in the PAC twelve or the old pack. Then and they'll tell you if there's a great player on the West Coast it was. Se's guy to lose. I don't think that's the case anymore. I think with what Oregon is done with. What Washington has done what Arizona State attempting to do what Utah is now done Th The tide has turned and S. He's got to get back on track all right so we're talking about blue chip programs when it comes to the USC in Florida state you brought up norval. How do how? Two new coaches in higher profile L. programs do on that short notice and I'm bringing up night like novell like layer kiffin where you're making the jump. Doodoo you see a common one thing where they take the kids that they had at the program that they were before and they try to swing those guys to say. Hey come with us. We're going up a little bit higher or is is as lane trying to get the key. The guys that committed are ready to Matt Lukin and now trying to hold on. What's the House that play with? The new coaches taking over on short notice. So I think it's a little sprinkling of all of those things that you mentioned the number one if they complete rat race. I mean you were up against it. You're on an airplane. You're in a hotel room. You're in Iraq car and you're just just trying to go out and introduce yourself and you're trying to go out and get face to face with these kids all the while you are evaluating them to see if there guys that you actually want to keep in the full so you got to evaluate in investigate in a very short period of time. You've gotta acknowledge that there are going to be misses. I mean there are real challenges inherent here I think most important Horton stage with knowledge or two things. Do the best you can with what you have in front of you get into the two two and a half week dead periods it's GonNa come right after signing period here where you can get your staff settled in take a breath and then start to lay down the blueprint for the month of January. Because you're going to be able to gain more ground around you'll know who everybody else has. You'll know who's leftover and then generally are gonna see with new coaches. Are they necessarily going to be judged upon what what they do right now with the clock that they weren't really responsible with recruiting the last two years. It's not likely so what you'll see is you'll see the biggest turnaround of the the biggest uptick generally in the first full calendar year. which then would be moving forward for the twenty twenty one class? And I think that's what you gotta you gotTa look at that you'd see that light at the end of the tunnel while you're doing the very best job you can with this current status circumstance. I mentioned Defense Event Cave on Sibito veto. We saw his impact especially late in the year in that Oregon Line Yeah. He's there player in this year's class that you think could have an immediate impact their freshman season in the I. I think there's a couple I'm gonNA give you Julian Fleming. The wide receiver verbally committed to go to Ohio state. Is He's a difference maker Kevin. He's the the type of player that they can come in and change an offense from still perspective I think he's going to be a really exciting guy to to look at As a true freshman going forward I think her jober the tight end six foot just sort of fifty five pound or out of Georgia. Lsu was able to lure a baton rouge which is a guy. That's GONNA be a scary target in a big one at that in that new look LSU offense I also think that there's going to be quite as view Players at the running back. Addition Chris tyree remedy committed to Notre Dame is GonNa be the ultimate of Scott back types. That can really Create mismatches so let's just a handful of guys and then a lot of people a finished with this one are expecting based upon the notion that we we and you may think is not coming back to school. bryce young verbally committed quarterback out of modern day in southern California committed to Alabama. Lot of people are expecting that. It'll come in. Make a push dea competitive improvement and maybe be the guy at Alabama time will tell the steep learning curve. The certainly hasn't physical makeup in that. We're talking about a young man. That's USA's backyard right. And he was a committed to USC in any made the switch to Bama. How would you assess what Obama's done especially with the mindset a with quarterbacks because you know five six seven years years ago? They're dominating of course on the skill players and you're getting the BAX and you're getting the the defensive line the linebackers and now it seems to be the destination destination for quarterbacks. 'cause this offense I I really think it took Knicks Shaven. It took him some time to realize I'm sick and tired of having to defend these guys. These guys that can run around and they can create and extend place. Why don't we go get one? Why don't we become more dynamic? Why don't we become more spread base? It doesn't mean that we have to abandon. The run doesn't like to me we. We abandoned being a physical football team. Which is what the foundation of the program is built upon it just means more dynamic and being more dynamic is more attractive because it's become a spread space game with a quarterback utilized with his arm and his legs and now Alabama opposed to? Let's just say when my broadcast partnered mcevoy played there there you differently. Intercession is everything in recruiting. And I I think that's really help them on recruiting Kelly by the way. Winning National Championships doesn't hurt that. Yeah that helps a little bit too right and then also also the transition because this young man that we're talking about Bryce and he's he's a dual threat quarterback. We've seen dual threat quarterback succeed so well through the years in college football but with the success of Lamar Jackson. And then what. We've seen some from some other. quarterbacks like Tyler Murray like you know Russell Russell Wilson and the transition and Baker Mayfield guys be a dual threat and use their legs. How has that changed recruiting now on the college level? Where major targets are becoming more valued? Well I think the number one thing that's changed more than anything as it relates to that position. Is You know the a five eleven. Six Foot quarterback was not considered a viable commodity. Even fifteen years ago you know and and even more so if you go beyond that now I think with the shock run based spread offenses where everything's spread out. The players can see the field better. You're moving the launch point. You're moving the pocket. You're cooperating zone. Read beat and you're saying okay. Well we'RE GONNA trade. Maybe that fits for two hundred and twenty five pounds teardrop back photo. Typical pats refrain for are a smaller version of it that much better athletes and and what they're doing now there's an okay. We'll trade three inches for foot speed and quickness and the ability to extend replace me. It's a nightmare. Coaching Defense in College. Football right now. I don't know why anybody wants to do it. You can't tackle can't practice it. Sa- quarterbacks are are almost it's impossible to defend and the high school over you're seeing more and more spread principles. You're seeing more keys. Go to the best athletes on their team. Let's go put him at quarterback and see what he he does you know and a key the prime example of that ten years ago king the wide receiver and now it's that's changed the game and it's made it very difficult Goldberg. Defenses to keep up. You mentioned the Eric King and there was a lot of rumors about potentially him transferring. You know when he decided that he wants to use this as a redshirt season is in. Houston let's just transition into this conversation because it is the elephant in the room and we transfers before but the transfer portal continues continues to expand. I mean you cons with twenty plus players but I mean multiple I mean Stanford has double digit players. What kind of impact has the a transfer portal had on recruiting now in December significant to the point where programs are now studying the transfer portal studying? Studying players in the tape of those players know differently than they examined an upcoming sophomore junior or a riding junior into his senior season They're very curious. About what the eligibility is left There's a lot of film you can evaluate with many of these guys getting older player. Your season player Particularly at the line of scrimmage we're seeing more and more coaches wanting to get into the transfer portal market because you can't find enough of those guys they're they're they're not doc growing on trees or standing on street corners the way wide receivers are so I think what you're starting to see between this signing period and the first one February. You're seeing seeing some scholarships choices being withheld to move into the spring and summer months to try and research that type of player. That could come into your program Graham and and help you it is it has changed everything in recruiting To that point now keep in mind to the myth about the transfer portal is that everybody says okay. Well we can just jump in their arm not happy where I'm at. I'm going to jump in there. I'm going to go somewhere else. They're gonNA over eleven hundred injured players that have entered into the transfer portal less than ten percent has signed somewhere else. Well wired that because there aren't available scholarships you gotTa Goal Title Shift. Sign the player so player in that. Transfer Portal need to be very very careful understanding what the landscape is out there. And make sure they're not getting onto the other side of the. I think the grass is greener. And it's not. I gotTa Admit Luke's I still play you know. NCWA twenty fourteen. And the reason reason why the reason why is because I love recruiting. I'm in this dynasty. Twenty four and I'm into recruiting to me. It's it's I don't know to me it's taken me back as a as a kid that was in college that that loved the recruiting trail love following programs for our audience here. I'm not expecting you to nail the projected top ten. But I wanNA hear about Alabama Clemson Notre Dame Ohio State Oklahoma Texas Michigan. USC We talked about in Florida and how these blue bloods are doing so far. And you don't need to go team by team but anything stand out with you know what Clemson's doing this year What Notre Dame's doing and of course the Buckeyes in Michigan and Texas? Now considering what they're going through when they're makeover with the coaching staff so it's the usual usual suspects near the top and I think that you've got a point out because this is the common denominator. This is the theme of the College Football playoff participants for everybody outside for the most part of Oklahoma Oklahoma defensively right now. Clinton sits with twenty two verbal commitments. All right Six of the top seven or defensive line that all ranked within talk to their physician national. So you're you're talking about caliber of player at the most pivotal edition that is dominating college. Football for college. Football playoff participant and Clinton has become that destination so again that's the reoccurring themes for how to get to this point. Those were their target. It's no different in Alabama at Ohio state when they've had their best teams. I think Georgia has the most rounds of gay In terms of between now and Friday where they've got apple most room You're looking at Texas. Am Michigan Penn State and Auburn even checks it given where they are on the on the field. You're the production. They're recruiting seventeen real commitments right now but there are top ten program because of the caliber of those commitment. So I think what what your what you've got to look at at the end of this week. Here's who had available room and who's able to fill those holes with impact type players. That's how you move. That's that's all if you're a you're an Oklahoma eleven you've jumped to seven by Friday. who were some guy that could impact you particularly on defense where you have to have some difference makers so that you can close that Gap Win College Football playoff game? That's how you jump on paper between now and Friday. I mean just I'm going right now the ESPN Sian three hundred. I'm just looking at top. Defensive tackles three of the top four Clemson and when you look at the top twenty four. You've got alabata with four of them. It just shows right there. They understand that you're going to win. Big Time Games by having that type of town on the front line and you see you see the normal. Oh Guys Clemson's the Georgia's the Florida gators you know. LSU Penn State Ohio state and that's why we continue to see their them so successful successful but one thing that stands out is I'm C.. AMAC Brown here a few times when it comes to the defensive ends three of the top twenty five defensive ends are committed to North Carolina. What kind of footprint is Brown laying right now? In Chapel Hill War is trying to put a fence around this state. And that's what he was able to do. The first time around the state of Work Carolina. Busy really interesting recruiting because it is an oversaturated state of university. I'll think about it. You have four or five schools rules within an hour of each other. You've got great Gupta Five. You got an upstart program at Charlotte. You GotTa grateful Ram at Asti You got East Carolina and then you've got a wealth of FCS programs as well throughout the state. But it's not what I call him a legion state. You know in the State Alabama you come out of the room right and you pick one All writing football. You're either Alabama number. You're Al- North Carolina's. I'll have to deal with the basketball and that side of it. So what grounds trying to do is is give these kids as a reason to not go to not go to Alabama nocco to Virginia Tech In the South Carolina and these other program into stay home. Because there's some really league good football they play and some talk level football players. I mean you take a look Desmond Evans Miles Murphy. And then you've got a Kendrick Jones. That's three defense events. Two of them in the top ten all three of them in the top twenty five nationally. And they're all three of the state of North Carolina. You keep those guys at home all the sudden u-turn of your programming entirely different animal. First thing he did was when he got the job was make sure. We reached out to every high school guy in the state and and try to build a fence around that. Because you're going to get infiltrated by all the SEC teams and as well as Clemson coming into that area. Luke's always great to have you with us. I know the next couple of days are a little crazy for you so we do appreciate you carving out. Some time of year for us on the podcasts always a pleasure every week I let's keep this thing go and more recruiting talk on the other side with. ESPN's College Football National Recruiting Coordinator. Craig Halberg but first. Let's hear from our sponsors allstate. At at and T.. And could you because mayhem on Saturdays. In the fall is inevitable mayhem. 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There's ever been a more competitive race for the number one overall class as we go into early signing period you can make a case for five different programs either not by the end of this week then by February and the National Signing Day that first Wednesday in February having the number one overall plus you five teams teams currently kind of in the hunt. I think we're GONNA come out of this early signing period likely clemson having been one overall. They've got a really top heavy class. Three five stars really doing a nice job along the defensive line. They're still in the mix were quite a few players including five stars like linebacker justed. Well the defensive a and out of South Carolina Jordan Birch versus still some pieces. There for Clemson. You can never count on Alabama usually a fixture. There knows I we spot there one program. That still has a lot out there over the next few days at some pieces the see if they can hold onto that number one spot and then the other team Lsu obviously coming coming off an outstanding year when it. Oh John got that job. Everybody knew that he would go in there and recruit well. They were just wondering how he would do as a head coach with onfield production and now he's on the recruiting trail marrying not only his ability as a recruiter but also great success on the football field. And that's going to be really tough for them to stop there another program in the mixture guy like Jordan Birch vibe outside linebacker Philip Webb. So there another program that can make a jump here in the next few days you mentioned three of the five or the other other two teams you think that could That could win this thing out. The other one is Ohio. State currently have the number one player in the nation committed. That's wide receiver. Julian Fleming out had a Pennsylvania They're doing a really nice job. There in the mix for one of the top remaining quarterbacks in an eight out of California CJ Stroud so there. I think it'd be a little bit tougher. Them what they certainly have a chance. And then Georgia Georgia's one city. They're number five. Were there were there. In the mix for several players things could really get interesting over the next few Weeks for them. Probably I I look at the boards for the teams in the top five with the most to gain in terms of volume and it might be Alabama and Georgia. Georgia may be a little bit of a delayed reaction because there are some players that they are seem to be the favourite for Kevin that may not publicly announced until after the early signing period. Kinda during that all American bowl stretch so they may wait so they may be a little bit of a delayed reaction during the market for quite a few top rated corners And defensive back and they're also in the mix there one of the top tight ends in the nation darnold Washington Annaba Las Vegas so I think Georgia's kind of one back. Maybe a little bit too far out to get the number one. What could certainly push back up? Okay which teams outside the top five could make a move and I'm saying let's just talk about teams in the top twenty that you think could make a big big push by the end of the week. I think the thing wanted to watch. The PAC twelve is kind of struggling a bit. But there's two teams teams that are running away with it at Oregon and Washington for me. I think that one of the programs to watch is Oregon. I was just talking about Justin flow He's a player. That had ed kind of for a long time been rumored To be a heavy lean towards clemson. But now that as we're getting towards the stretch here for the start of the early signing period on Wednesday and just emplo we'll be announcing during the ESPN coverage. He now seems to be a strong lean towards Oregon. I so for the ducks a year ago. To go into California and get Calvin Sibito the defensive end potentially now go back to California again and get the number one rated linebacker justin flow. That's looking really good. You get an impact. Jack type defender like him. I can really help you boost up towards the top ten and they also had one of the top remaining quarterbacks on visit this past weekend Robbie Asterix he's at a Hoover Hoover High School in Alabama with a long time oldness commitment with the switch there in the coaching staff. He decommitted was just on an official visit so he could add some more deaths. I think or. He's watching team to watch. And the other one is Tennessee. They were program who a year ago really close stronger recruiting trail at February period. Jump right to the customer top top hand. I think that they're not gonNa have quite the same impact in terms of the big names. But I think there's a lot out there for them if you're a member. She's got really really rough there for Tennessee And September but they were able to close with a string of wins the head out in the recruiting trail and I see them adding three or four quality. Kind of four-star. Dr Prospect that are classified probably buckled up a little bit more towards the top fifty. Let's get back to the Oregon question because again you know we lose on earlier and we talked a little bit about Mario Christobal and how he he went to. He went to southern California and he basically took sibito right outside the USC backyard. And if he gets you know so the player you're talking about here at you know in the next couple of days. What is Cristobal doing so well when it comes to recruiting these guys? I think think it's a blend of things Kevin you know I had one PAC twelve Personnel Person. Tell me when they were talking about Mary Crystal. They said he's relentless it's like the guy doesn't sleep sleep It he may be one of the Top and probably one of the hardest working recruiting head coaches all the college football so you got a guy who had a reputation and is a very strong recruiter as put together a good staff for that and then you just go back to what organ been able to do slowly over the year from Wadi. Mike Lottie to Chip Kelly had a little bit of a damp here but this is a program that offers a lot in the in the surrounding areas in terms of gear Swag swag the you know the kind of the persona that they've had with the different types of uniform so they've always kind of been able to build a national persona with what they offer In those type of bells and wessells and then they've always been in last year's near the top of the pack twelve battling for bacterial supremacy. So you've got onfield success. You got the things like uniform along. You gotTA head coaches and outstanding recruiter you put all those pieces together coupled with a pack twelve south right now. That is very much down. And it's a great Opportunity Oregon. The ride is there player on Wednesday. Or let's say Thursday or Friday because of a seventy two hour window who is the wildcard. The the kid that everybody is insurance going to make an announcement but could kind of turn things around and shift if some momentum and the guy that I think that is going to make an announcement to kind of tweak your question a little bit I don't know of anybody who's GonNa come out of the woodwork. And said they had announced but a guy that I think is really intriguing. It's actually the top rated guy left in the country and that is offensive and Jordan Birch had a habit high school in South Carolina number five player two. ESPN three hundred. He was gonNA initially announced on Tuesday the nineteenth now. It looks like he's going to get it done on eight on the eighteenth. Repeat the opening day on Wednesday Clemson in state South Carolina team to still be Kinda hanging around in the mix. LSU seemed to be a program very much in a mixture of Danny. Just wet visited Georgia. So now there's a lot of momentum building for the bulldogs there you've got a player Jordan virtue. I think you if you went around and talk to the different people you may. I may get four different answers on where he may wind up so I think he going into this early signing period of guys expected to announce I think he right now is probably the most intriguing in terms of the impact type player with several teams. May Tell you that. Hey we think we got a real good shot at this guy but only one of them obviously is going to get Craig where where is an. It's stunning we. Were about thirty five minutes into the PODCAST. We haven't talked about Jim Harbaugh and Michigan. Especially when you know a couple of years ago. Hardball made a ton of waves about sleeping over at a recruits house and finding a way to make sure the he was committed. These kids. The where's Michigan Right now. You know it is correct. 'cause there's not that same type of buzz there was when he first got there But Dave Kinda sneakily doing a solid job. I mean there at number nine disadvantages data enough for you to be number nine in the class rankings. Top Ten class asked asked me. That's pretty good but you're right. It doesn't seem to kind of come with the same flash said it was a few years ago and then when your biggest rival Ohio state eighty two sitting within the top five with potentially shot number one class that makes that gaps even bigger so. I think you know you're talking about these major programs you we've mentioned all the names Alabama Lsu Higher State Georgia you know. Michigan has not had the same onfield. Success that those programs have so when you were kind of dealing in rarified air the upper tier programs It's much more difficult to kind of go into living room and talk to recruit and sell potential potential and four Kind of format. For what you can get you to success. When you're competing against programs that are sitting in those same liberals or those five star? Hi Four Star Prospect. And they're not talking about a blueprint for success or actually talking about real success. If you follow what I'm saying they're saying we've been on the field. We played for a conference championships. We've been in the College Football playoff where Michigan hasn't been able to get over that Hump into that area so when you're talking about the elite prospects and your battle against the other top programme where they've had success to sell. You're trying to sell the blueprint to get there. It could be really difficult. Yeah and I think you can make the case as to where you've got about fifteen fan bases that consider their top five program. Would you only have five spots. You've got ten fan bases aces. That will not be happy regardless because they all think of their own mind they should be in the top five and that brings up programs like Texas Florida Penn State Texas A. and M.. Especially when you're bringing Jimbo you pay the money that you're paying him. Oklahoma Notre Dame when I mentioned those programs anything stand out and how they're handling handling this week You Know I. I think what is most interesting about that. Is You talk about those kind of historic Orrick type program Kevin and the one. I don't think you didn't mention would you you say USC yet so I didn't mention USC because earlier. In the PODCAST. Lou and I talked about them being on the outside of top forty recruiting class. Which Craig you could even expand on that? It is stunning and I understand the doubt of Clay Helton and I understand the status. Listen but I mean your. USC It doesn't matter WHO's the coach you're coming to USC because USC especially in southern California. Yeah Yeah I mean yeah so just to piggyback on. What what Luke said is that you know? Listen it's it's unbelievable that you're talking about historic program. If you remember about ten years ago our baby a little bit less they went through those NCA sanctions that were pretty tough. And even through that they still own southern California they still own recruiting in the PAC twelve. Now you're looking going into this week of the top ten players in the state of California now one of them is committed to USC with three of those Japan uncommitted and probably none of strongly to USC. So you're essentially we can come out of this early signing period without the children's having signed not one top ten player within the state of California which is really kind of mind blowing and kind of Setting up a bigger gap between them and the PAC twelve Northwood Oregon and Washington Washington leading the way so although distort programs and one of those teams you would think no matter what can weather the storm. It's very surprising to see. USC really really be struggling to this point and even with the the struggles they had and whether they help with stay or not for them to be at this point. It's it's really kind of going to be an up hill o'clock for a program that at the very least was able to close strong but at this point really struggling in state in the SEC the ACC in particular really really benefiting from that kind of West Coast. And Yeah you have programs like Bama and Clemson and Ohio state that they recruit nationally. They they they don't they don't go state to state. It's it's well. We were a destination for anybody from anywhere Another program that was like that and losing. I touched a a little bit on. This was Florida state. Many years ago they could go anywhere and pluck a kid from California and suddenly. He's in the backfield and now Mike novell has this challenge where he has less than two weeks to assemble a class and now he's trying to figure out the quarterback situation we talked about Jeff Sims de committing from Florida largest. What what's Norville facing here trying to find a quarterback with a program that has recruited a quarterback in a couple of years or at least brought in a quarterback in the last couple of years? Yeah I mean this is talking about USC. The now Florida Kevin. I think what it shows you. Is that the job that somebody like nick. Sabin is doing doing it Alabama with the consistency that he is recruiting at is really unprecedented. Because you think about some of these programs with so much history that have been dominant under recruiting trail that it can happen to anybody that you could fall off and really struggle. There's no more. Give me any more on recruiting trail. USC being one in Florida state being. Ah You're right. The last two cycles. They did not sign a quarterback and then they got Justin you commit now they did go out and just pick one up and take a rod maker out of Georgia one of the winning programs in that they I believe he was a south Florida. Commit crimes that he committed but so they got a quarterback but you could very much argue with what they've been unable to sign that they should probably try to bring in to in this class. If nothing else for bodies because you can and I know there's been some successful college football transfers Justin feels jalen hurts. Put you in my opinion. You cannot live on just bringing in Grad transfers and in other transfer the quarterback position. You've got to bring a young quarterback and gotta develop them within your program and that is where they have really struggled now of all the classes that are being taking over with the exception of Washington where we're just kind of a change of of the guard there but we're talking about where coaches been fired or else probably taking over the best base of a class. They're still in the top twenty five they still have. ESPN three hundred commits. They had a lot of defections. But they're still a solid base there that if he can maintain this group and a few pieces. It won't be too bad especially ACC where it's really Kinda Clemson that everybody else Florida state could still. We'll be towards the top of that conference and not lose a lot of ground. But I think if you're looking at Florida state I do not think that the program with some of the struggles. They've had along the offensive line and in out really at the quarterback region and Ron Maker. Automakers a talented young man. But I don't necessarily know if he will step in plug and play type guy the quarterback position. So there's still bill a lot of questions and a long way to go but if there's anything working in Florida state's favor is that the ACC in terms of recruiting is not very strong and he is taking over for a solid class. We WanNA preach patients because if you look at novell's a track record. He does a great job bringing in playmakers a quarterback back and then defensive line so just give it time. We'll see how this plays out when he gets his first full year in Tallahassee Craig. We know it's it's a crazy time. We appreciate you joining us here on the PODCASTS. As we get ready for Wednesday anytime enjoy it and have a great week. WanNa thank lubes and Craig for joining us I love Wednesday. Actually think the National Signing Day at least the early periods as Lubes made a reference is now the signing days is a ton of fun I think every fan base gets a little bit of a spark during that low before the bowl season one thank our sponsors allstate. At and T.. In goodyear excellent work from our producer. Taylor swing. If if you enjoy this podcast and more all you have to do a subscriber the college football podcast with Herbie and pollock of course remember subscribe rate and review. Wherever you get your podcast? Yes we definitely appreciate it. 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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 147: Star Trek Picard Episode 3

GSMC SciFi Podcast

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 147: Star Trek Picard Episode 3

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Gather we dive into the world. Scifi science fiction from episode of Star Trek Star Wash to the resident evil all the science fiction movie from the factor marvel or DC golden state media concepts sets Sifi. Podcasts. You'll never get side station the same way again. State podcast brought to you by. Gmc podcast network. I'm your host Alex today guys. We're GONNA talk some more about star Trek Picard. I'm very excited to get to have these discussions with y'all at this point and we're going to continue where we left off before today we're going to. Start with season. One episode three. The end is the beginning so last time we finished episode two. And we're going to move forward with episode three so episode three was also directed by Haenel Colpepper as I mentioned in the last episode. And it's pretty awesome as a kind of part one for setting up the new series getting to know all of these new characters will be working with and continuing on with the story. The end is the beginning. Is the title of this episode. And it's kind of wrapping up some of the old strings that we had from the last set of Star Trek Movies and TV shows. That had picard in them. And that's really awesome. So this episode is largely told in kind of a sizable flashback. As well regarding what happened between Picard and Rossi so we meet roughing at the end of the last episode episode. Two in a kind of an intro. That was reminiscent of tremors in some ways so there wasn't like a horror component but I liked the style of introducing her out in the desert and everything and her just not being super stoked to see him so we love John Luc Picard. And he's a great man so it's very interesting in this episode. How we get to see what happened before unfold. So in episode three we find that fourteen years ago. Roffe and Picard. Were working on trying to Suss out some Romulo in rescue news. So Picard was her boss at the time or her CEO. I suppose and was going to be asking starfleet command if they would go ahead and give them permission to go and rescue the Romulo so we find them. Picard is coming out of the building and she's clearly been waiting for him and she's like okay. So how did it go? And he's like well. They rejected that initial thing. She's like yeah. So then you lead with this and this and this so you can tell that they clearly had tried to work it out together beforehand to anticipate all of the eventualities and the issues that the command would possibly have against them going to help out the Romulus and so she is just absolutely distraught that it's all been rejected at that point and not only has it all been rejected but they've also banned all synthetic life forms because of the uprising on Mars and the subsequent massacre associated with that and that Picard finally had to use an ultimatum as his final card. And he said Okay you can either let me go do this where you can accept my resignation and they called his bluff and accepted his resignation. I also really enjoy this bluff and poker theme that we have continuing from the very last episode of TNG and in the first episode where we see that data's holding five queens of hearts while they're playing the very beginning of episode one of Picard. And again at this point. So this is largely about bluffs. We see a lot of bluffing going. On throughout the first few episodes of Star Trek Picard. And we'll see that theme some more later but he's resigned in protest and then Roffe gets called in as well and she's like great. I'm going to get fired now because you decided to resign in protest. So that is why. She's largely embittered against Picard at this point because she was trying to help him with this. Romulo rescue plan as well and when he decided to submit his resignation with that ultimatum which was not a step they had discussed before. She was fired as well so his resignation but she was. Kinda discharged from starfleet command in not a really great way and it kind of ruined her life she was much much younger than Picard. At that point so we find that she comes to two conclusions when she finds out that he has been let go essentially and one is that the tall she are and starfleet are both likely behind the since destruction on Mars and also shutting down the rescue mission for the Romulo and she also knows with him out of a job. She will also be out of a job so she's very correct especially in regard to that second point so we know that right away in the flashback and we don't know what degree to it. She is correct about the first part until now so fourteen years later he showing up at her door and letting her know. Hey you were right about that thing literally. Fourteen years ago like almost two decades ago. And it's time to really talk about it. So it was her initial idea that the tell she are in starfleet were in cahoots at that point in making that happen and Picard was less likely to believe that the time. But since he's met Dodge and has learned more about Bruce Matic's he has found that you know she's probably right at this point and is shown up so now it shows us back in the present of the show and we see that Ralphie's bitterness is also tied up in embarrassment and humiliation and a lot of anger. So it's very complex emotion which I really enjoy Michelle herds portrayal of this because it seems very real. A lot of folks when they feel embarrassed or humiliated. It's easier to turn it into anger and bitterness is just prolonged anger that someone has student more or less so she is really upset and you can tell that she is using some types of drugs. We see her vape something so she pulls a plant off of flour off of a local plant in her yard. And we can see. It's probably what she's referring to and she says that snake. Lif induced paranoia might also have played a role in her becoming the person. She is now where she drinks a lot and also vapes a lot. We don't know the degree to which she has been using these coping mechanisms until a later episode. But we can see that. She's having a rough time. And she is self medicating in a way now. I am a big fan of getting to see that type of thing happen on screen because a lot of times in stories are heroes are just perfect you know and we just go okay. They're good because they're good and that's as far as we get. I've said that to you guys before. And that's why I'm so interested in villains but I'm also really interested in like anti heroes and Roffe in. This case is a hero whose kind of fallen from. Grace Lake Chris. Hemsworth character H in men in black the new one the most recent one and in that one. We don't really get a great sense of who he was before because we don't get to see a lot of it although Robbie's case they're telling the story with what she's doing with her hair and her composure. And her lifelong habits they tell us a lot in this brief seen in the past between her and Picard and what we are seeing now. It's very brilliantly shown instead of told and I am so far a big fan of Hanno coal peppers storytelling and also just Michelle herds portrayal of roffe. It's been really great so far. Having seen the first few episodes so at this point we know that rockies having a really rough time and that makes her a lot more interesting to me as a hero per card is also having a rough time because star fleets no longer starfleet and it's changed the entire course of his life so this is really important for both of them and the ways that they're dealing with it are very different picard for the most part has selected avoidance and in Rossi's case it is anger and unhealthy coping mechanisms. Neither of them are really using healthy coping mechanisms. She's turning to drugs and stuff like that per se but Picard has also chosen avoidance which is not healthy either some of. It's really reminiscent of Tony. Stark to me and I like seeing as we go along just how much this has really affected. Roffe job losses. Something that affects folks in everyday life in real life and it's a very simple thing to portray portray on television. But it's not something we tend to see a lot of. I don't think particularly in sci-fi which is funny because sci-fi tends to really manifest these allegories for us for regular life and for the things that are going on but they tend to be more concentrated on socio political or scientific or socio cultural interests so I really enjoy that it's showing how this is affected roffe regarding job loss and her concept of what her future would look like. I also like how they're doing that for Picard. And showing how different people deal with things in different ways but then again picard did offer that ultimatum and he was a little more prepared for it even if he didn't truly think that they would accept his resignation whereas Roffe did not start out that day being prepared to be fired she thought that for sure Picard was well prepared for this meeting and he was going to get what they were asking for so this was a really hard turn for her. All right we are going to go and quick break when we come back. We're going to continue talking about episode three what to find out what movies to go. See then check out. Mc movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See Now don't bother. What's hot on Netflix? And everything in between that. Gmc PODCASTS DOT COM slash. Movie Dash podcast. When it's all about the movies it has to be this new show. Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. Gs MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO style. Welcome best before the break we were talking about. How card and Rossi's relationship has changed over the years and how she and he are coping. I similar reasons similar causes but in different ways and I really enjoy how they are portraying that with job loss and how folks still if that differently also at different points in their lives so he is quite a bit older than her and of course he was prepared for resignation at that point in his life he was an admiral he had reached white the heights of his career at that point so even though he didn't want to leave it wasn't as bad for him. I think as it was for Raffi it wasn't as jarring. I think is a better word for it. So in this way we see that roffe has kind of fallen from grace quite a bit and she is nurturing these these feelings that she has that. Picard hasn't checked up on her this whole time and he's not picard to hurt like he is to us. He's jail. He is her friend who she was very invested in this shared mission of wanting to save. Romulus and stuff with and whom is directly responsible in a way for her being fired. So she has. She's I think she's very validated and being upset with him he was responsible for her getting fired. And he's not even checked on her since then now we can tell from his reactions that a lot of that was due to guilt and shame on his behalf and we see that this is another part of the trend of picard feeling very responsible for failing people it is the heavy burden of command and not only did he lose data but he also essentially cost roffe her job and that is not something picard as accustomed to he is accustomed to doing everything right and still sometimes losing that is a direct picard quote that has affected a large portion of my life. So you can make no mistakes and still lose and that is life but in this case it's not just affecting him and it's not something roffe did to herself so this is a large component of WHO. He is at this point in his life. Since he's left starfleet fourteen years ago he has lost a lot of people and he's been directly responsible from his point of view in regards to these people being lost whether they are just in this long slide into humiliation and rage as Rossi puts it and also her being more or less addicted to drugs as well at this point. But it's a lot for him and we see that. He carries a lot of guilt for this as well and indeed in life. A lot of folks do feel guilt for not reaching out to folks and that can lead to a lot of problems. So I've talked in the health and wellness podcast about that as well. Where if your friend is going through something really rough? You might not know what to say and so you say nothing and then that makes it worse and then after a while you're like wow. I didn't follow up on that. I didn't say anything now. I feel like I really can't say anything. They probably hate me and they're probably mad. But clearly at this point we can see that roffe would have really liked for him to have reached out at some point even if she was initially mad that his resignation had resulted in her being fired. She's still bitter about that at this point but if he would have reached out to her sooner than perhaps she would not have been as bitter as she is now and they could have both recognized that it was not really picard per se. Who was at fault for this? He was trying to do the right thing and brophy was trying to do the right and when the federation would not help them. He tried to force their hand. Because that's what Picard does. Janeway would have done the same thing except she still would have gone and immediately done it anyway instead of waiting fourteen years. Because that's just how Janeway as but card. He's an honorable man and so he just. He feels the guilt deeply and so he's let that stop him from reaching out to his friend and so that is why they're so strained at this point now at this point we see that they used to be very close not in a romantic way but that they were good friends and we. WanNa see if they're going to be close again so that is something that will probably be big major thing playing out as the season moves along and I am to see that I really love these types of wholesome relationships so even though they're mad at each other right now I still consider it pretty wholesome. They are a man and a woman being friends with each other. I also love seeing on. Tv just two dudes having like a really wholesome relationship where they can talk to their Bros. About their feelings and stuff as well same with two women or if you have like an adult and a kid and they have the super wholesome relationship of support in growth. I really enjoy seeing that on screen and I think that that's what will really see more of as Rossi works this bitterness and Picard works through his guilt in this friendship that they have together. We also at this point see that the Romulus are on that reclamation cube and are messing around with the board again now. We are at the point where so g is meeting xbox legend and it's Hugh so you may remember Hugh from either the episode of the next generation where they rescue him from ship and then try to send him back with a virus to destroy the board. So I really like that. They have brought hugh back in here as well and he looks a lot different at this point. He's had a lot of pieces removed from his body from where the board head given him implants and he looks quite a bit different than seven of nine. Does he looks a little bit scarred. And a little bit more hardcore at that point so of course if you watch I BORG IN NEXT GENERATION THEY DID not end up having him use the virus destroy the Borg and he is now here so he seems to kind of be aboard expert. Now he does not encounter a ton of problems now but that does not mean he did not have problems along the way and he says that people either see us as property to be exploited or hazards to be warehouse and then he says that the Romulo view them as both while he's talking to Soji because so she has a good heart and he can really recognized that in her and he really enjoys seeing that because she's an anthropologist and it makes it a lot easier for her to connect with them even as they are different because the anthropologist ruth benedict used to say anthropology purpose is to make the world safe for human differences and in this case she is an anthropologist where there are more than just humans at this point and so so g is there to make the world safe for or the Galaxy Universe even safe for everyone's differences and she can really appreciate the differences. It's not that she doesn't notice them it's that she sees them and embraces them as they are so at this point he's really paying attention to her. He was really paying attention to so juicy because she was speaking to the nameless as they call them in their native tongue and trying to provide solace even though. We're not sure that they can even hear her. It's a lot like speaking Tacoma patients from the perspective that we're given but they're removing parts from his body and she is trying to be supportive in that way and his bothered to learn the language. So Hugh really appreciates the heart. That so g puts into this as well. She has meaning and purpose in what she is doing. She's not just there to see the Borg or the expert rather at this point like hugh as being property to be exploited or a hazard to be warehoused so the Romulo see them as both and so g sees them as neither and that makes her very unique for the ex Borg at this point so gee expresses interest in an expert named Rhonda who is also Romulus. Rhonda had a big role before in the Rom- Lynn mythical stories and was a keeper of these stories essentially so she asked for permission to go talk to Rhonda and Hugh kind of swayed from her empathy. As like okay. I'll go ahead and do that. Rhonda seems to have a little bit more together than the other former drones and Toji is is picking up on some clues as to whether she could really have this conversation with her. She feels like she needs to know more and she needs to seek out Rhonda so he tells she can have thirty minutes with Rhonda and go from there so they go into the chamber and try to initiate a conversation. We're going to go in a quick break. And when we come back we will discuss what they find. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close and here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is here. Nothing less than our podcast. Bliss endless hours of podcast Hubbard's from news sports music fashion looking entertainment fantasy football and so much more. So stop looking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to build that. Podcast is whatever it may be visit. Www Dot M. C. podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook and twitter and download items soundcloud and Google play sent before the break we were talking about so jeeze adventures on the board reclamation cube that the Romney linzer running so at this point. We know that. So Jianhe you are going to see Rhonda a former Borg drone who is also Romulo. So as they walk into this area. You can see that. It is protected by guards and a four shield as well and that they are very much keeping them in there before shield us. Keep the expert drones kind of contained but they also are just mostly milling about in their their barely. Functional it kind of gives you the impression of a psych ward. That's portrayed on screen where a lot of folks are very much non responsive so in that way we can see that. There's there's not a lot going on here but comparatively Rhonda is a little bit higher functioning. She's playing with some type of toy or like a card system. It looks a little bit like Tarot but they are triangle shaped and it tends to form a hexagonal pattern. If I'm correctly recalling that as she builds it out so I really like that system that they have made for that and how it also reminds me of the board cube themselves how all those pieces are fitting together to make a greater whole from the sum of its parts so when she is looking at that so T- sits down and starts talking to her and tries to speak with her in her native language as well to establish more of a connection and so JI says that the Rhonda and the other exports may be partaking in a shared narrative framework for understanding their trauma rooted in deep architects but as relevant as the day's news so she refers to it as the news which I feel we may see that repeated further down the line as we get through the rest of this season so she's trying to process this information but Rhonda's suddenly kind of snaps a little bit so she's still doing the Tarot while so g is talking to her and explaining her ideas and concepts of what she's getting from Rhonda to Hugh who's standing by watching but he was not trained in anthropology the same way that so g is so she's letting him know what she's finding especially since he is also over her and since he is the head of the board program he is able to give her permission to be in there but he still was ranked quite a bit higher than her so she would have to report it to him anyway. So she's telling him in real time. And so Jesus like okay. So it's like the news but it's also you know the shared Borg Framework. So that's really helpful for them so there still may be somewhat connected even though we've taken out a lot of their implants so she starts the process this and then Rhonda snaps a little bit and start freaking out. And she's I remember you from tomorrow and so do you like what is happening and starts asking these crazy questions. That are a little vague too. So she's like which sister are you are you the one who is or you're the one who lives. And we see on the board that age where she is placed that final piece right in the middle. That triangle is a small piece that has to women on it. And it looks like they're kind of almost back to back away with symbolic of like sisters or twins made me think of like Geminis as well and so that made me think of legacies. And the Jimmy Coven as well but also just in general like the symbol for the Gemini for you know just thinking about astrology and stuff in general so in that regard. She's like what is happening. We know that so. Ji was aware of being a sister as well. So it's a little bit jarring for her and then Rhonda pools firearm and everything goes kinda sideways for a second. But it's because one of the guards come in there with their firearm on them and so he was like hey. This is not Rhonda's fault. This is on the person who brought that in here and they need to be reprimanded because they should know better and make sure the rest of you. Do Not have your firearms on you in here. These people are not stable so I really like that that indicates to us where Hughes head is in the game and he is kind of meeting them at their level. He understands that they're having a hard time also because he was an expert and I think that type of inclusivity is very important in general. But I like that. We're seeing it. Mirrored on Star Trek. A little bit surprised that the Romney ones are the ones modeling that but it's just as pragmatic as it is inclusive so the Romulus are not allowing you to do this because of any type of inclusivity interests but rather because he would understand better than anyone else he would be an expert in this and they understand that even if they aren't necessarily on board with how much compassion he has towards them so I like seeing Matt and seeing that there are pragmatic reasons to do things and not to do things very similarly to how John McCain and General Mattis took their approaches to understanding torture so both John McCain and General Mattis were against torture but John McCain was against it for moral reasons because he had also experienced it whereas general mattis was against it because it was not practical they did a scientific study on it and found empirically. That torture does not get you. Actual factual answers at a certain point. People will say anything to you to get you to stop torturing them so they may be telling you the truth or they just be admitting to things to get the pain to stop so at that point that is really reminiscent to me as to how the Romney Lynn's verse says Hugh kind of view this but in this case the Romulus are just being pragmatic about it like general mattis and he was like. Hey I've I've been there morally. We have to treat them a certain way and fortunately they're just at the point where they both agreed. That Hugh is the expert on this and although you can tell they don't want to let him in Saudi through and he has to assert his dominance me like. Hey I am the head of this project so I get to come through here. Step aside and he doesn't even care that they're carrying disruptors and that Romulo disruptors don't have stunned settings he is just like. Hey let me through you. I was part of the Borg collective. You guys are jerks. But you can't really scare me so I really respect how we get to see. Who Hugh is at this point and that he maintains his perspective even in really tense situations so hugh at this point and so she ended up leaving that area and we go back to Earth and we see that Picard is at his vineyard and he and the two folks he lives with end up getting ambushed by the Josh. So remember the wash the same as the tell she are as far as picardy. Them are concerned right now and it gets really hard court. I love how the scene plays out. You should definitely watch it. It is visually so interesting. It tells us a lot about the characters and where they are now where they're showing US pick cards physique and what he's capable capable of at this point and how he handles a weapon versus his physicality in hand to hand combat. We're learning a lot about what is going on with him and his health and I like that he gets to be an old man and you really get to see how his age is affecting him. I think a lot of times. We just expect older characters. Still be tough and everything in the exact same way that we would younger characters and so we either don't see older action stars or they. Aren't that realistic. But I like. How Picard really approaches that as this show so the wash or in the battle with them and Dr Giradi POPs in Agnes and she's like freaking out. She accidentally kills Romulo on at that point because she didn't know there wasn't a stunt setting but we see that they try to talk to the Josh about what's going on. They try to interrogate him and he kills himself with that acid that we had seen happen to dash when someone. Romulus spit on her. Now if those two halves of the story are going to come together it will be somewhere down the line in the rest of the show and I'm really excited to see what they do with that so it looks like at this point. They've decided they're going to need a starship in a pilot and before Roffe Topa card you know. Get off my lawn. She also I will have a pilot reach out to you and so she did. She does get him a pilot and we meet him in the form of Christobal Chris. Rea's played by Santiago Cabrera and I loved him immediately. We're going to go on a quick break and when we come back. We're going to talk more about Chris. Watching TV has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why golden state media concepts television. Podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord. Cutting to beyond the loop of. What's hot and Netflix? Or if it's not a preference what about original shows in Hulu. We've got you covered. Join us as we all the black and talk about movies to stream and what show. You should be vigilant. This is a golden state media concepts television. Podcast a postwar break. We're talking about what was going on. Sports reclamation and how the card was attacked at his own vineyard with his friends while the Jacques dropped in. So now we're GonNa talk a little bit about the pilot that Roffe has recommended to picard. We meet him on his ship and we learn a couple of things about him he is hardcore reminds me a little bit of Han Solo in some ways and he sometimes gets injuries that he's not really that upset about we first meet him with a giant piece of metal coming out of his shoulder. And we're glass can't remember which but he has a giant shot in his shoulder and he has a hollow. Graham who is his image so his is very similar in the way that we are familiar with the doctor from Voyager and the AMA is trying to help him but interestingly the H. also looks very much like him so I like where they're going with this and you know he's like okay you pull the thing out getaway for me with the HYPO spray and stuff. I'll be fine. I don't need you to kill me right now. So he doesn't mind scars he doesn't mind the other stuff he's just kind of gruff he's prickly on the outside but the card kind of assesses him and it's like you know. I think that this man still starfleet through and through he used to be starfleet and you can tell us ex military because of the way everything in here is cared for and how everything is put away in shipshape condition the guy clearly is working on his own for the most part of the exception of the Hologram that he has but he is taking great care to maintain the ship himself so Hans Solo also maintained his ship himself the Falcon with along with Chewy. But I'm had a lot of trouble with that. We also can contrast that a little bit with Malcolm Reynolds and the serenity. So you know try is now might I mean? He has to employ Kaley to keep the serenity up and running and that's totally fine but they are not getting a lot of tools for caring for the ship and you can really tell and Katie's always just go and everything's Shiny Cap'n because she is doing the best that she can with what is available to her similarly to haunt and Julie just doing the best that they can but they're ships are very different and comparison with Chris's so Captain Rios Chris is he's rough and tumble leg mal and Hawn but he's more military. Han was not military. He wanted to be but he was not able to be and now served in a form of rebellion similarly to how. Honda's later on so. They are a little bit different in their approaches. Because Chris was straight up starfleet so we now have a couple of people who are ex starfleet at this point and I really enjoyed that because they are not bound by the same rules but they also have a shared component like of who they are as people at their core. They are still starfleet officers and that is what Picard verbally observes to Chris at a certain point. He's also very much likes to read. Chris Cares about philosophy and stuff. He's very quiet about it though. He just wants to sit there and read his book and in that way he reminds me a bit of General Mattis as well the warrior monk. So I like this concept. I can't really imagine Han Solo. Picking up a philosophy book but it is very interesting to see how they are building. Captain Riaz from the ground up in this way. He's a very complex character. And I really appreciate that. So in this capacity we see that he has a grudge against starfleet and Picard thinks. It's a failed idealism and he can really identify with that his last captain also died horribly and it was very sad for him and now his entire crew is emergency holograms so they all look like him but they have their own personalities super cool to me to see that so he has a hospitality. One that Helps Picard. Get his room setup and everything. He has the H. One. He has several we keep meeting. Holograms as we go. And they all look like him. I absolutely love how they're treating that and in some ways it reminded me a little bit of Andromeda but with Andromeda. It's just you know one hologram really andromeda but I love seeing representations of ships or of components of ships in that way so. Chris says that the ship came with that package. I don't know why they look like him per se but it's very interesting to see how they act because they do seem to have personalities of their own that remind me of the doctor who was the and voyager it really interesting to see that because the other em ages or not but the other holograms that we have met so far. Kind of are devoid of personality. They are more similar to the sense. That did the uprising on Mars. They're not like the doctor at all so especially with this ban on synthetics synthetics. I think only include androids. They don't really include holograms. But it's interesting to see them having a personality at this point because the one in the vault did not have won. It was just like talking to you know Alexa rather so Alexa will say some. Sassy things sometimes in response to you. But they're just preprogramed responses whereas these holograms particularly the EM h really seem to have a personality in real reactions of their own. It's not program responses so I like how that works out. It reminds you a little bit of inside out. If you guys watch that cartoon. I really enjoyed that and seeing how the different emotions. Inside of the kids had Riley's head really played out together and we don't get to see the images or the and the other holograms really interact with each other. But they are all different types of like emergency. Holograms that pop up. I like this kind of concept to that. We see that. Chris is similar to the card in a few ways. He's upset and has a grudge against starfleet but also has some sense of guilt and responsibility for what happened to his last captain and it's kind of the other side of the coin. So Picard was the captain or the admiral who was in charge of the others and lost them. But Chris we get. The sense was more like the number one and he has lost somebody and he thought response before it's and now he doesn't even have a crew of his own. Everyone on board is a Hologram and in that way. I think that you know he's working through his own tragedy as well. He's not just angry and bitter about starfleet but he has his own personal tragedy that will hopefully get to delve into more as we go along now. That component of the episode is Super Fun. I can't wait to see how many holograms Chris has just hiding around the ship. I'm sure he probably has a cook. Well I guess he wouldn't have a cook anymore. I'm thinking about me lakes because they were in the Delta quadrant and we're having some replicator issues Chris probably just uses the replicator at that point. 'cause he does not seem to like the holograms. Although I don't think that it's that he doesn't like them is that he's scared to get attached to anything else at this point in his life so he's really abrupt and holograms are like he hates me. It's really funny of the one of them outright like he hates me so I just kind of stay out of sight. It's like when Han is talking to see three. Po and stuff and he's like shut up and he's like shutting up. Sir so I think it's really hilarious but you guys are into that thing you may really enjoy this new character and this new ship. I think that they're giving us just enough information as we go along to keep it interesting and also mysterious so once we get to this point we see that. Roffe is also on the ship so cards roommate slash friends who were also Romulo and decide to stay at the vineyard and keep an eye on grapes and everything but picard is on this voyage with Captain Rio since August holograms and Roffe is there when he beams aboard supplies the Sierra especially because she's grumpy about it but she's like I'm not here for you. I am not on this journey for you. I have my own thing that I'm doing in my own reasons for being here so don't get attached. Don't think that we're rekindling this friendship. I'm just going in the same direction as you. And we also see Agnes has come with them so agnes begged him on his vineyard to let him go with her following her conversation with. Commodore Oh and she let me go with you I. This is something I've dreamed of my entire life. I used to work with Bruce Matic's and this is what we were living. Our lives for trying to create a new synthetic that was organic in nature. And here we are so she has found that this is possibly you know her holy grail so she decides to go along with them. The cards like okay. The foremost expert in the galaxy right now as far as he knows at least within the federation on synthetics and you can come with me so this is our new crew so we have Dr Agnes Giradi and expert on synthetics so very similar to like on Union soon but also we have Captain Rios and all of his holograms and we have roffe as well as Picard. So that is who is on the ship at the time that we get to move forward and we get that huge payoff of getting the here cards. Say engage at that point. So it's really nice and heart and I love that they do it at the end of the episode and it really leaves a great impact on you from it. It's been very satisfying to watch. And they've done a great job in staying close to the source material while making its own thing so it is really doing a great job with the continuity of all the other star treks but also while creating its own distinct type of feel for. What's going on so I love what they're doing with it. So far we are going to go ahead and go on a quick break and when we come back. We're to talk a little bit more about that source material that they're referencing stay tuned the GMC life and happiness. Podcast TAKES YOU ON. A Journey of exploration. We'll discuss tried and true methods alongside the latest trends of how to live your life to Listen happiest from psychology to meditation science to self help books the GMC live unhappiness podcast. We'll help you to discover what makes you happy and how you can live live being the best you plots bowl. Download the SMC life and happiness. Podcast on itunes. Stitcher soundcloud or anywhere. You bind podcasts. Just tying GMC in the search bar supposed theft. Stay book breaks. We were talking about the new crews that is making up the rest of the folks on the ship in Star Trek Picard. Although Picard is leading captain Rio Slash Chris really be the pilot and in charge of everything he is still getting his trademark engage quote. So I'm really excited to see that but he does recognize this ship. I'm going to be respectful. Maria let's say it anyway and that's chill and I mean to be honest. Who WOULD TRY TO STOP? Captain Picard from saying engage if I was on that ship and it was my ship. I'd be like all right you whenever you want. Man I am in the presence of a starfleet Bene- ration- hero so that would not bother me one bit and it doesn't seem to really bother rios either. He's definitely confident. Insecure that it is his ship but he's okay therefore with leading picard. Do that as well. So that was a great pay off and we're really getting to see this. Show bridge the gap between the next generation and the movies that were associated with it as well as the Kelvin timeline from the most recent star trek movies so I am talking about Chris Pines Star Trek movies now regardless of how you feel about those they are cannon and we have to live with them is my ex. You say nope is out there now. We have to live with it and he was always saying that jokingly so whenever I think about that I think applies to this too granted the Kelvin. Time Line is an alternate reality. That is okay. It's really less of an alternate reality. And more of an alternate timeline. I digress those do mean different things though in sci-fi different alternate realities versus an alternate universe verses and alternate timeline so. I'm going to refer to it as an alternate timeline despite what most other sites really referenced as but the Kelvin. Time line is different from our timeline. The prime time line and that there was an explosion on Romulus or rather in the Romulus star system and it was the Romulus son that really Supernova said. That was the big problem. If you watch stargate then you know the chaos that can come from someone. Blowing up a son. As Samantha. Carter has done that. And so has Rodney McKay and he took out the entire solar system all at once. But if you take out the fun you are going to destroy life on those other planets so the planet's net star system were totally screwed over when the Romulus Sun went supernova and that totally checks out with what we saw spock convey to Kirk in the movies so in the movies spark doesn't mind meld with Kirk and kind of shows him what was going on. And he sees that there's star that explodes sons Are Stars. You guys and that is quite all right. This is not a ret con. One site references ret con. And they're like I guess this makes more sense. No meanest stars the stars or star so as son is a star. It is okay. So what is a star wise? Our Son Star. Our son is a star because it produces energy through fusion reaction of gases in our case. Helium turning into hydrogen. So it's a star that's okay. It's not a ret con so we don't have to be upset about that. They just referenced it as a star before and now we know that the specific star was the Romulo son so when the Romulus son went ahead and Supernova head even though spock was trying to prevent it he and Nero got sent into an alternate time line with the help of that red matter as well and then we got the Kelvin timeline. So what we're seeing now with picard is not what happens in the Kelvin timeline. It's not in the time line at all. It's an a primetime line but we're seeing what happened in the prime time. Line our regular star trek timeline. Because of that breakoff point that forking point of those timelines where spock tried to prevent it but essentially failed and initiated the Kelvin timeline. So we are at like a fork in the road and because it's no longer just linear for that. We have the new movies that are in the Kelvin. Time line and this is the fallout of what happened in the prime time line as a result of that forking so instead of the federation going and helping Romulus as part of the federation. They forsake them. And that totally checks out with what Nero had said. So in this way it makes nero story make a lot more sense and I really appreciate how they did this. Alex Kertzman has said that they were not at all trying to make picard. Part of the Kelvin. Timeline or even address it when they started out but that it just happened to perfectly match up with everything that Picard had been involved with in. Tng and everything that was going on in the Kelvin Timeline. In order to make picard sort of a bridge between the two. But we're just checking out what's going on with the bridge and Bridge. I'm like you know. An Einstein Rosen bridge. It's letting us know what's happening in space time between these two like almost like a wormhole between the Kelvin time line and the regular prime time line that we were accustomed to although this is still the prime time line and his thiel says the only time line that matters is our own whether you believe in that or not is up to you but in this case we are seeing what happened here and I'm very stoked to see that. Perhaps if that had not happened things would have been different and picard would still be in starfleet but that would be much less interesting. I think he would probably just be teaching at this point or be involved in administration as an admiral instead of being out here doing these shenanigans. He needs a cause to fight for and this really gives it to him. We also get more involvement with the Romulus which is really great right now because that makes a lot of sense with the Kelvin. Time line and also we're seeing more of the KLINGONS even though they don't look like Klingons in Star Trek Discovery Star Trek discovery for me. I really like it a lot but it does feel a little bit like someone pitched a sci Fi show and then we're told okay. Yeah we'll take it but only if you make it star Trek and they're like well. It costs us a lot of money to do the makeup the way we did so. We're just not going to do that. We're not going to do that. We're going to refill Mitt. And they're like okay. That's just what Klingons look like. Now now I have my own feelings about that but largely. I'm okay with it. It's whatever at this point. I'm not going to let that trip me up because there's so much good stuff about discovery that I do love but I do get why people are bothered by that. It also bothers me in bothers my buddy Mike. Where two huge sci fi fans and we talked about that at length. We both agree. It just looks like somebody was like okay. This is a sci-fi show and they're like oh that's cool but we want the label of Star Trek to carry it so there's that but if you haven't watched discovery I encourage you guys to check it out. It's okay that it's short to disco and that sounds silly. It's fine and it's also fine. They really shorten it all the way down. It's like STD but you know we don't call. Voyager S. T. v. We do refer to deep space nine his ds nine but it's not as tedious nine so we can make jokes about it but in reality they don't really hold water for using them to stay mad about it and it's okay if you do watch it and decide it's not for you. That's fine not everything is for everyone. I like card already way better than I liked. Ds Nine although. I like the S. nine and I liked who Cisco was as a leader as well but he just wasn't my favorite leader so I like this. Ragtag Group of folks even though it is so much of a departure from previous forms of Star Trek but not really in some ways so in Voyager Janeway merges the voyager crew with the marquee and they were different factions and they both become starfleet and this way picard is a little bit of an inverse of that where these people were from. Different walks of life science and also starfleet as a shared pass and now they are rogue so. I dig it. I am totally here for it and I think that if you guys give Picard shot you may like it as well. It has a lot going on regarding all the new stuff that they are approaching a love this new concept of almost like a Roman profit. I mean we've seen that with the vulcans and stuff before as well so it's not that new but I love that she was a Borg as well. That's so complex before we've had a couple of expert with like Hugh and seven of nine and you know Little Baby. Borg's like each ebb as well and this is just a really different. Take on it so I really like where they're going with it and the focus is different. Even though we are so accustomed to all these different types of characters and I think it's one of the greatest strength of Star Trek Picard. It still feels very very star trek so I get why disco doesn't feel as Star Trek but picard really really. Does I like them both for different reasons. But it's very exciting to me to see where this goes. We also have them being aboard the artifact and getting to see some background between Naric and his sister so there is a lot going on here. I'm going to go in another quick break. And when we come back we're going to wrap up talking about Picard. The golden state media concepts travel. Podcast the show that gives you advice on everything travel. We explore places. You've always wanted to go out as well as giving tips for traveling in those places. We'll give you advice on the backsides for travel. Tips Information and discounts. Join US AS WE TRAVEL. The world explore cultures and meet New People the Golden State media concepts travel. Podcast has got you covered. Download the travel podcast on Itunes stitcher soundcloud who go play or anywhere you find podcast just typed gs MC in the search bar just from back before the break. We were talking about sparks cards and how things were going along with. Bridging the Kelvin and prime time lines. I think it's really exciting to see how far it goes and we're getting some really diverse characters in this new story. They're very complex. And there's a lot going on. They're all very unique in their own ways even though they share several traits how they deal with things as different. One of these that I really enjoy is Rio now. I love a lot of these new characters. Actually it's really hard to pick a favorite but I'm really interested to see how things work out for Rio as well as for Michelle hurts character. Roffe I really want to get to know them. More so reassesses reading material Picard sees him with is a book called the tragic sense of life. It's written by the Spanish rider. Miguel Day Muna. E Hulu and was published in nineteen twelve. So it's about the philosophy. He has figured out. After trying out the eras prominent movements and is pretty much that death in itself. Makes Life Tragic? But it's also inevitable so it's important to seek out the wisdom that is involved in that tragedy and that the wisdom is kind of like culture in the way that it is Super Organic. It is both surrounding and beyond and reinforcing that tragedy. It's a result of it but also is beyond it in a way so to develop a tragic sense of life would be seen as admirable in this way so I think it's very interesting. It's kind of a cousin of stoicism in a way as well and I like that. He is reaching towards philosophy even as he is avoiding making new friends and establishing new intimate relationships with anyone intimacy. I don't mean like romantic intimacy. Even though he does very much come off as a loner he is quite attractive and he has that roguish thing going on that Mel Reynolds and Han Solo have but also Rio seems like. He's very much a loner. In a way that is different from them. He looks like he has the capacity to be Landau Colorization Ian but he is not that type of person he's rather turned inward in this way and would not really welcome the company of other humans for a lot of different aspects of his life. He's not even stoked that there are so many people on a ship and there's only three people on his ship aside from him right now so in this way he's quite a bit different and I like that. He's kind of turning to philosophy for it just makes them a lot different in back aspect and I think that he will find a lot in common. And that regard with Captain Picard Slash Admiral Picard Slash jail and we are calling him in this new series so I think that has a lot to build upon and it also reminds me a bit of classic novels. Leg Twenty Thousand Leagues under the Sea. And I'm really stoked to see where he takes us. Riaz doesn't really seem to care in particular where they're going or why they're going there. He's like whatever you're paying me and that's all I need to know. And he's totally fine with that he's also like don't talk to me which. I really identify with from WHO I was as a person last year and who I was as the leader at that point where I'm like I want to help you. Cultivate your skills as a person but also I value my alone time. I don't necessarily want to sit here and Chitchat. When it's not time for your performance review I am busy doing things. And I'm working on personal development in addition to your professional development and my own. So don't talk to me before noon. And if it's just a wish me a good day I will just assume that you want me to have a good day. You don't need to tell me that now. I'm a bit softer at this point. I'm more gooey than I am prickly but I really identify with the prickliness. That really is exhibiting here. But I think he's GonNa be like what Alan Watts referred to as being a prickly Goo and at a certain point we're going to see the goofiness of him and it's going to be similar in away to Jack O'Neill where it is coming from. A place of trying to protect himself because he has lost something significant to him and he is super. He's not dealing with it well. He's very strongly impacted by it. And that's Okay Jack. O'neill very much from the school of Stoicism in a lot of ways and also making his his enemies. Really underestimate him by being silly and trying to draw the attention to himself to prevent others from being harmed now? None of these people on Ryota ship are under his command there on board ship. But they're not his crew per se. They're more like passengers. The way that Luke. Obi Wan initially were for Han Solo when he picks them up at the most Eisley Cantina at docking bay. Ninety four so. I think that it's really interesting. The way that this is developing because we know that Han later on gets really attached to them just like Mel Reynolds gets attached to his passengers. Even while he's being really prickly about it on his prickly and so is now and we're GonNa see that a lot with Rio says well but it's largely someone pretending to be unaffected in order to protect themselves so I'm excited to see how that turns out and I think that it's going to be super interesting. I think they also have a lot in common with Jack O'Neill and those are just kind of my favorite characters you guys. Those are my favorite characters in general where they're Kinda grouchy and STOIC. But they're gooey inside like Indiana really. Do I just love Harrison Ford. Perhaps that could very well be true but my point is that there are a lot of strong influences here and corollaries to other shows that. I've seen while Rios is at the same time very well written as being his own character and he's very well portrayed. I am so happy with this new crew and I wasn't sure how I was going to feel about it. Because it's very much not starfleet but they know enough about starfleet in the past to be able to put a lot of things aside and go okay. There is a ranking officer. Who knows more about this than I do? So Picard has an entire maneuver named after him called the Picard Maneuver. It would be crazy for us to not take advice. Certain points although we have not really seen that happen yet we haven't seen them butt heads really over anything. But I think that as a starfleet officer Rios would he might boar Bristle at this point because he's no longer starfleet but I think that ultimately he would recognize chain of command issues and how it's important to have one person in charge of that to really get the point across intimate command decisions in the moment because when you're in the middle of a firefight it's not a democracy that is not going to serve anyone you need straight up orders you need everyone to be on the same page regarding what is going on and why is about to happen and I think that is going to come across really well with these folks having been previous starfleet now agnes. That's a whole different ball worms so can of worms barrel monkeys all those things. A BARREL OF WORMS HIS POINT. She is not military. She is very much a scientist. So she's kind of our Daniel Jackson in that regard but she is not an anthropologist. She is just a straight up geneticists more or less who is trying to create synthetic lifeforms so not quite geneticists but gets a little bit Fuzzy. Because we are dealing with positron ick neurons at this point and replicating those positron ick neurons to extrapolate an individual like data their memories and who they are as a person their wealth of knowledge as well as their experiences and trying to turn that into multiples. So I mean it makes sense. I think that they're trying for like a my toe sis type of symbolic for it. And when you see so g slash dodges necklaces. Each girl has the same necklace you see that they are. They look very similar to a diagram with like a man door. La But it also looks like my toes when those are those cells are separating from each other so I really enjoy the symbolism in here and I like where. They're going with everything now. I don't know if a snake leaf is legal in the federation. I'm not sure where the federation stands on certain types of drugs at this point but who knows roffe may be using medicinal snake leaf or she may be growing. It clandestinely out in the desert. And that's why she's there who knows maybe that's just where she was initially from but regardless Roffe as decided she wants to be in a different part of the galaxy and is on the same voyage as Picard and Agnes so agnes. Is there for curiosity Rio snare because why not he's a pilot what he does and Picard is on a mission based on morality and this dedication to finding what he believes is like data's offspring he wants to find that piece of data? We can tell the flashbacks. He misses him deeply and he carries that guilt. So I think it's partly to assuage his own guilt by protecting what he perceives. Data's daughter who he does not know his name is so gee I don't believe but he is trying to find her and protect her because he failed data and he failed dodge. The other daughter at that point and Agnes. Is there for curiosity and Offi? Is there for an as of yet unknown reason? We know that she has a reason to want to be off planet but she still out of Picard. And she's not going to confide in him about that. Rios doesn't care and Agnes can ask but roffe is not inclined to tell so. That is where we're at four star trek up through episode three. The next episodes are directed by Jonathan. Frakes as you guys know that was Reicher and TNG and the associated movies. So I'm very excited to see. Jonathan frakes his work here as a director. I love episodes of other sci-fi series. He's directed over the years and shocked to see how well his visual style. Meshes with. Haenel colpepper as we go for a cohesive look at the new star Trek Picard series. Thank you for listening to the GMC SCI-FI PODCAST brought to you by the GMC. Podcast network. 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Voice and Podcasts with the Dynamic Duo: Kane Simms and Dustin Coates

Bixby Developers Chat

1:11:40 hr | 9 months ago

Voice and Podcasts with the Dynamic Duo: Kane Simms and Dustin Coates

"Allow. This is Vicksburg. Welcome to the screen developers chat podcast. Here. Is Your House Roger. Chat listeners today. I. Have Honored Talking With Sins and Dustin Coats you likely know Keenan, Dustin from their podcast, you ex world which I highly recommend. Wait a second wrong introduction. Ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls. Aid Sands and Dustin Coats. Welcome. Guys, I came please introduce yourself. That was good. That was very good. I know it's the project voice when I think it was the key no give and I said Hello Ladies and Gentlemen Boys and girls and I think you might have been the only one laughing because think you're the only one that actually got the joke. For Yeah but not she is. It's a it's a pleasure. I'm pins along with the courts one of the CO founders of the world. And for the last two and a half years, we've been running podcast first of all, speaking to people from all of the industry all over the world practitioners you work with compositional. Doubt the ones that pushed the boundaries of this kind of stuff yourself included Roger, you've been on that fucked I think that you won't be a see this for the listeners but got a pitcher behind me of a couple of headshots from the first year of the podcast I'm pretty sure that you're on their. So there's bought me and Bob Stills around there maybe a year and a half ago remember. Mirror that's right. We're talking about bixby time as well. Actually. Yes. Yes. There you go. So. We've been doing for a while that's not letters from the podcast introduce speaking workshops and not let into consultancy that into design development, and now we have a conversational consultancy and we work with bronze agencies all across the world helping people get the most out this kind of technology and so pleasure to be here, rogen. Thanks for having us. Awesome things came in Dustin please introduce yourself. Yes so came gave a bit of an introduction I work with him on Vu you ex world it's been about two and a half coming up on three years. Now I remember the first one was February a few years back. I just happened to be in Los Angeles or tucked away my microphone, my suitcase and like to the hotel room and everything, and it's been just an adventure since then I'm an American in Paris says Oh Kane and I are in Europe but we with people from worldwide and we both been voice and Conversational and natural language understanding for quite a while and I think we've seen a lot and were hopeful for we're going to see next. Awesome. Do you work with the consultancy side or what else do you do besides being an amazing co host podcast? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. So came brings a lot of skills I. bring a lot of skills. We complimentary overlap a little bit. My focus is more on the technical side Kane as a lot of design and strategy side as well. So we combine those two to help people with their voice and conversational needs. Author of the book, We're GonNa talk about that a little bit him ask you about that. Hey both of you guys have been invoice for quite a while. You're kind of so-called timers voice at this point which a couple of years voice snakes Alzheimer. But love your height didn't get started invoice what was your first experience with voice and how did the good cited in started voice technology? What you your journey. So bit of a winding story I moved into apartment. We were in a bit of a food desert signed up for Amazon prime. So I could get the prime frus grocery delivery. I, got an email about this new smart speaker thing that they were launching the Amazon. Echo of course went ahead and ordered one just really enjoyed a thought. It changed how I interacted with computing, overall and started building things. So I- within a few months had written a tutorial on. How to build on Alexis go on for a while if you googled how to build on Alexa skill or Alexis skills, each royal I think I was the number one and number two results, and so that was fun I continued doing that and just really continued building a building for voice creating content, great educational content, and then ended up sinking up with Cain not too long after that I think came can tell the the other half of the beginning of that story. The rest is history. Yes, so I got to. Get into. So background if you go back far enough used to. Say I to produce music. But the reality is I was a kid in my bedroom, filling around samples and make some Junes and writing lyrics. So they used think the funds myself as a bit of a wrapper. and. If you look back at some podcast episodes. Complete row. I think a little bit rusty other minute. Did do one for Frank Schneider of speakeasy. and. So He's Best I'LL PHILADELPHIA. So when we introduced him on the podcast did version of the fresh prince of bel-air theme tune with Franck Schneider. So they going to know So of caught a long relationship with audio and woods essentially audio together and important words into it ended up realizing the making music it is not easy to make money from. And etc. Went throughout my career ended up in marketing agencies ended up in user experience design. Consultancy Service designed eventually managing digital service transmission teams and then out freelance writing on the side as also had kept up the right and stuff, and then all of a sudden not come across. I think it was an adver around the launch of Alexa in the UK. Fiddle around with Siri, but it was reuben time in submitting bothered with it. But I see in this advert for Alexa launched in the UK and I was thinking lot seems crazy that I didn't know anything about I. Didn't know you could build for. I. Didn't know that you create anything for it. I didn't have a clue about and just thought when I see now thought wouldn't it be good if you could create something for much and if you could actually design like an old your based conversation, best experience that people could have with this thing and immediately I thought that sounds fantastic and Few monthly God device etc Pierre Around it and I thought to myself I. Think. It'd be good to try and learn really well how these things were technology is what hangs together how the build Sephora and then similar justin really start thinking about how we do that and I thought one of the best ways to learn about an audio I medium will be to create an audio I kind of piece of content, and if I'm going to learn about then a ms well share that with everyone else who might want to learn about it and so that was how the world was the podcast was born. The demand demand name in two thousand, seventeen couldn't find anybody to interview for any kind of cost couldn't come across anyone all just maybe I wasn't right using the the pro search phrases because I didn't i. Didn't quite come across y'all content that's I'm and then eventually in November of twenty seventeen. I realize that the voice book podcasters around and this week in voice podcast was around those thinking what the Hell's going on like I had this idea months ago. What's in a thought? Well, lots of evidence basically the the something that there must be something that most people are confined to speak to that was in the US, convinced that it was going to come to Europe and so that's what was not doing not like research in China in touch with trying to meet people's to flat out recorded a couple of the episodes over Christmas. The first episode might even still be on Youtube. It said, I've got my garland hanging on the the fireplace damning. And then was just about to launch I. Think Miami might have even put one episode out on immediately someone commented on twitter and said, Hey, you know that was really good. But what would be really interesting would be if there was some kind of person around the hard technical knowledge someone that could cause for me I'm astrologist in the design and always been the design of always gaping on the condor like the creative end, the Kinda strategic, figuring out what it is, we should be doing and then managing the team that kind of goes ahead and does it all during the design myself and stuff and then I. It was the on Conan I. Think he said, are you going to get into any technical content? Is that I love to I don't really have the technical background myself. Exactly. That's right. That's exactly that was young. Yeah, and then you've sent a tweet us in. You responded I think it was it was a tweet or you direct message right now I think it was on I think it was a tweet i. Very very rarely on twitter. So if you look at our different social media's canes, the Social Media Social Butterfly me, I can take it or leave it but I just happened to be there is a one day voice conference at Paris a day just happened to be on twitter following along and I saw that and I think I replied I was like Hey let's try I. do it yeah. I don't think literally within the space of. Our can probably seven days later, we recorded an episode episode four or five or something. And that was the beginning we did. We've done ever since and we've kind of as I said, the first six months foucault was doing the podcast and then we got speaking engagements and hosting conferences and events to flat now, and then twenty nineteen start getting involved in workshops training consultancy. We picked up Kanda design development projects, and still like out and then yeah, it's been more of the same of US insights Crazy. So Sir Tippety. Dustin winter. saw. Replied in a super successful podcasting percocet came out of that. People don't realize it took US two years I think two years right canes actually meet in person it wasn't until two last summer I happen to the giving a talk in London and came down. So there's the you X. Trivia for you. To Gain Dustin podcast together to. Not, each. Other. Exactly. Not just poke. We've been working together. You know it's like it's crazy how you know how I don't think we understand people don't really I. Think we take for granted the Internet basically is trying to say you don't realize the power that the house you know imagine being able to create a company with someone who you've never actually met in. Real life and work together, and you know build up that kind of relationship over two years without even an oxygen meeting is i. think is absolutely unbelievable. Crazy. It is amazing. You might think of this time of turn cove. It is all of a sudden working remotely I think more and more that's going to happen right where people are getting super comfortable. Where come outlay you were working with someone in completely different areas will be different times on different countries. All works. Great. So I see that little bit we kind of accelerated the future of work. Unfortunate events that that happened to us. So I believe you're over a hundred episodes in you guys probably have the exact number. He tell me how the podcast I all I wanNA know who is your very first guest. And then Howard if you remember. And then how is the podcast evolved over the last two and a half years? Good question good question. Let me try and find to our first guest was a have a suspicion. That our first guest was. Jeff Smith. Junior. That sounds like a fake name. Just. How can I call it the most generic name? Your first guest. Fully enough. He created. outbound. It was probably worked on an outbound call assistant. Appreciate it was called John. Pretty sure it was called that because essentially when what was it called again when duplex came out, I had a conversation with him about you know I've been doing this for years like what's all the fuss about appreciate was called? John. Doe was John Doe or John Don I know what you're talking Don judge. Don's. Jokes actually. Yes. Jeff Smith Junior. He. Is. A real person to this is before you did the puck. Realize is. This is the first appreciate the first episode and Yeah you worked on John Donne and then he ended up going and working on the system called Amy and I think the company is called Ip soft. Doing pretty well now that have an agent, the essentially, it's like a customer service agent you can stick on your website is Avatar to customer service queries. So he was building a conversational a there after John Dr, John Donne whatever it was. and. I think the first episode was him and it was all about the episode was called. What is conversational? Do you think post evolved over the last two years? Changed, a lot we've tried a lot of different things I remember when we started off, we were just interviewing people we looked at it and we go okay there's US there's other lesser podcast, but there's other podcasts. At domain. How are we different and that's when we and go. We really want to be the practical voice podcast and so now every time we have a guest on. This is you can talk about your products you can talk about your company a little bit, but this is the practical voice podcast people need to come away with us with information that they can use. And so we've. Changed our focus a little bit made that the core focus and we try things throughout the span as well. We start doing video recently and I think that's worked out pretty well, we've been live streaming. One on Youtube yesterday, we found out that you to engendered some. Comments perhaps or we're going to see how that goes. We try things like the rundown which I think we always say we WANNA do more often we always. Fail to continue. So we tried a lot of different things. I. Think. Main evolution those is really just that focus as it was an evolution early on and then. Static throughout we've said this is who we are and we've. Feud pretty closely to it. I think we've done is one of the things that we always trying to do is one is teach people the things around the practical. As as Justin said, how do you approach design? How do you approach development? How do you select the right technology providers? What challenges you as in how you will become them? How can we learn from other people's experiences like giving people some the take? With maybe episode and go and do something about. But the other thing as well as we've always tried to first and foremost do things that we find interesting. So we're not interested in speaking to anyone that we're not actually interested in having a conversation with I think is the man we treat it as a personal Lennon Janney. I think that the cost is for it but also is that We all we want to be I think we are just naturally we're always inquisitive people and we're all the conversations that we have like personally or with clients wherever it's always what's over the horizon what's coming up coming up? So we we like to think that we're in a position whereby we are the the people who are bringing what's next to people. And so if you look back in two thousand eighteen, we were doing Paul Costs with manmade music and audio you X. around sound design the importance of sound design it's only this year really topic is not to really pick open. It's been a focus of a law webinars now, and what we've tried to do this summer is to help people understand the. Voice is is only part of the equation. Really what's going on here is the NFL you this it's behind this is really where the magic happens, and so ultimately, it doesn't really matter whether it's voice whether it's text whether it's a mixture of voice and wipe in whatever the case it's not nfl you that's this the magic ticket, and so what we're trying to do over this in particular as the said we've been we've been doing a live broadcast on link live broke on Youtube with tried to educate people about where things in where things are going is that we're talking about compositional a and not specifically voice necessary voices a huge part of it. It's where the massive opportunities are. conversationally. So you look at the podcast done recently and we've being doing ones on SMS design. How do you design competition for SMS messages? We've been doing things that take away from the voice assistance that we all love and talk about but we've been looking at voice on the web voice in ops voice in the systems and trying to understand all of the different permutations in. Different places that this technology can be applied and try to extract the learnings from that to educate people both on how you go about applying this stuff to those channels. But also this is kind of where things ahead and and we WANNA make people aware of whether to use the an American president with Microsoft to is to help people scared to where the puck is going. I think you're spot on around its natural language understanding whether it be voice taxed or anything is actually the revolution is computers understanding. US communicating in the most natural way, and so that unlocks and voices maybe the sexiest most well known part of that. The NFL, you really just unlocks amazing capabilities there. Hey. So question about the podcast or question for aspiring podcasters you guys. Have, over one hundred shows you talked about how of all in how you doing things a little bit differently and expanding. What about for spiring podcasters but advice? Would you give for someone who's sitting there right now listening this thinking hey, united this great idea like to start a podcast or I just want to start a podcast. What advice would he give them? Okay. What do you think? Well you can only ever speak from where you are and what you've done. So this is purely only best on my kind of experience in doing the bill. One of the things, i. a former fundamentally was to do something care about do something I'm passionate about and do something I want to do every day and then I I love working clients I love working on on compensation projects I love all that kind of stuff by also love learning about it just much, and so that was the main thing was to do something that you actually enjoy doing. The other thing was when we first started the podcast, we saw of knew what the long-term vision was and we knew how we wanted to kind of get there. We knew that there was a gap in the in the market essentially for practical guidance and insights in how to do this stuff, and we also knew that there was a community of people kind of blossom in the would find this valuable and so what we tried to do is put the puck cost right in the middle of the. Community. So we've got the people within the community onto the post and we were Kinda like trying to really cemented within the voice community as Kinda reputable sauce of places where you can goal to find out the the thing we will use not the beginning was why go everywhere to try and find everyone unlearn everything when you can just go to the US world and everyone's already there that was Kinda, the philosophy, and so those are things that we tried to do. That's on the on the kind. Of mentioned on the practical side including a good frigging Mike and making sure you sound good because that's all you've got is your audio but those are two things I. Think the still working today is the. Did something that would really passionate about when we love learning about and we did something that had its roots within the community of passionate people as well. Don't you think Justin Yeah I think it's really important to your community develop people are going to listen to every episode and it's also important to look beyond that community as well as your only ever recording a podcast for the same ten people. Maybe it's better just zoomed call with those ten. People might be a little bit more enriching and rewarding. But if you expand beyond like cain mentioned, we're talking about general and we're talking about audio. We're talking about these things to draw more people in and that's how you cro- The audience. That's how you grow your community as well, and so I think it's important to develop your true fans but it's also important to develop the people come in for one episode or two episodes here and there. Now has your growth in all organic or what kind of marketing or promotion have you done other podcast? Nothing beyond these hero images. So you can't see listeners but there is if you're familiar with this pocket, which by the way, this is a must-listen if you're not subscribe to these guys. Soon, as you're done listening to this, go subscribe to view ex world. It's a must-listen podcast, but they do these great pictures of their guests in the two of them often smiling and looking a little poofy for every podcast and there's a poster behind gain. It's. A bunch of them. So that's what he's talking about. But I yes, it's been organic. been totally organic I mean one one of the things that we've done just naturally as part of being the community is reaching out to people time having caused like this all the time we're getting introduced to people all the time we were building relationships, people all the time naturally one by one people come across the podcast because of the we invite people on that who we think interest in assault gets onto that kind of read our they show it within at work it's almost gonNA consent solve with don no paid promotions more. But there is a strategy that behind occasionally. If we have to choose between another we do choose between guests because very rarely happens, but we do sometimes think okay well, if we wanted to reach Microsoft's audience. Who who am I be useful to have competition with Microsoft the I team. So that's trying to do. So, there's a bit of a strategy around that, but it's not bad. It's still organic still genuinely genuinely WanNA learn it just. So happens that some people bring audiences with them that we can grow through and also because it's a podcast, it's audio and you can't see audio and so we have to do something that that makes people remember what the podcast look like if that makes sense and that's solidly an oil purely the reason for those headshots is like most focused, most content that most businesses producer really it really down the middle really kind of. Mature and like you know really businesslike hours when we don't even have we just gone like the pitches just those laughing our heads off and point in and we make sure that guests then does images of themselves, Lafayette and we the heads out and we just make it fun because we wanna poke we do our full on the podcast and we want the kind of visual representation of its conduct be reflective of what it actually is. So those are the only things that are don't I don't know if you can think of anything else on specifically. Specifically. Now you did mention though you don't choose between guests, which is true. However, it's also true as well, and this goes back a little bit too. When you're thinking about creating a podcast, I think it also ties into growing audience as well. We have had guests that we've recorded a podcast and we. PODCAST is not incredibly common, but there have been situations where we've recorded and we said that's just not a good hour or this person we thought they really knew what they were talking about. The didn't really know what they're talking about because for us. We couldn't maintain that audience if we release things that weren't good and I'm sure there have been things that we we were to go back to episode five episode ten we ago that's embarrassing. If we go back ten episodes we'd go. That's a little embarrassing. We want to not waste people's time right. If we waste our time, we've just wasted two hours or three hours including guests. If we release that and we have a five hundred, thousand people listen we've just wasted a thousand hours of time and that's just not going to be good for us or good for the people. Such. Spot on advice around. Keep on growing your audience keeping it interesting I think I love doesn't want to do saying to paraphrase if you're creating podcast with the same ten people just Zoom Call I. Love that. Kind of expand your thing and think about your selective to go hey, something new is happening where we haven't ever talked to someone from company Accident Tech Y. Let's go bring them on. That's how you build your audience and quite frankly that's what makes it interesting to to people listening yen. Oh, never heard about. I never heard of this or I've heard about this but I, don't know much about it. Now I can listen to an interview someone created this amazing new tack or this company that I know about that I didn't know much they did so. Yeah it's a case of trying to find. Technology providers out there the law solutions are popping open and we try and WanNa find the ones that are worthy of they're not worthy. The interesting ones that really excited does and then try and bring that to the audience trying to introduce them to new folks new technologies, things like that. But not in a way that's like if you sponsor an event and you Get Your logo northern event people get kind of awareness about the name, but don't really understand what the company does whereas we bring people on. We don't just understand what the company does get in the Bryn of the founders or the some of the senior leadership and really pick through how they're really thinking about this stuff. Thou- they're really apply and then on his civic. Technology better ought to provide that use cases of customers, etc, and so it's rare that you get the opportunity to really spend some real detail time with some of these kinds of people to really figure out how they think about stuff and up to. SPOT AUNT I love the switch gears a little bit and you both talked about this a little bit in your intro. About what you do aside from being amazing podcasters Cain we'll start with you. I've a little bit more and he said you focused on voice strategy. What does that mean? Can you give me an example of something work you're done with a client explain to me more. Yes. So essentially, as we mentioned, the power of this stuff is around the the natural language understanding right and that's Where we see the real kind of magic. And companies most companies really homegirl clue about what voice technology is what it means will compositional I is what it means. That it's common. They've got a hunch that they know they need to be doing something with it I've got a hunch. The competition have Alexa skill are bixby comfortable or whatever the case is, and so the statins nor that it's something that needs to actually investigate the question that they have. Most of the time is where where do we start? What do we even do who should be working with? What is a good use case? How does it work all these kind of questions about against our? Strategic Consultancy is all around that. It's really business consultancy, which is who your customers. Are Their needs whether they currently access your products and your services how you treat in them. Currently meeting the needs on not what your business needs, your business goals and aspirations pinpoints, and where can we find the alignment between the stuff that you're not doing too great for customers and the you really WanNa be achieved as a business, and then within that section see whether there are opportunities for conversationally I to help you out across all channels regardless of your technology, and so we approach really from a firstly from a customer perspective, secondly, from a business perspective and thirdly from technology and that kind of use case perspective. That's essentially what we are doing. Obviously beyond that, we do the design of the solution, the development and implementation things like that technology agnostic and I'll let you know can talk more about in terms of the technical side of things we can work with companies, tech stocks they only have we can advise on who they should be partnering with and this kind of stuff. Yet means we're looking in the past we've done work with some of the big agencies like. And woken on product strategy and skills and actions and things like that. So we worked on the one of the ones for Unilever Buck in the last year, which was all around the international day of the girl, which was quite fun. So it was a conversation with an assistant about the assistant having low self. And so it was his Yeah very much indeed. Yeah. John Engine engineer that composition and make the assistant cry at the end was being dense and so we've worked with without as well on our London with takeaway restaurant chains building out there the skilled enables restaurants to take offers end to end orders, three boys, assistance and other agencies as well. We've been does work with Vixen labs they're really interesting stuff consultant. Clients that the dropbox of working with. Agencies sometimes, we can't really speak in too much detail about VAC, clients because become ready to speak for their clients often but it's mainly as I've described consultations, amount business strategy, and how applies to compensation digital transformation strategy understand and how you can use ai to enable your organization to either serve customers better. All fix some of the problems that have as a business and then when required the design of the solution to build the solution and. Also via box trained training in a possible got training program that we do with Kinda like large clients where we're trading that you ex team on how to be a voice position designer. So it's really a mixed kind of bug from consultancy to implementation to Jenin as well. And Dustin near the technologist. Dustin distance the brains. So you're the Baronne. Canes the Broad Braun. Focused on the technology and you're pretty esteemed in the field, you're author of a book. Google developer expert Urine Alexa champion. So tell me more about what you do as a technologist. you know I just didn't enjoy building things. Can I have the opportunity to build a lot of things together and I tried to build things outside of that as well as you mentioned I did write a book for Manning Publications called voice applications for Alexa Google. Assistance Unfortunately bixby wasn't a stabilized enough I included at that point but maybe in a future addition it was it was an interesting experience for sure I think I've mentioned it's in regards to hell hear people talk about taking Transsiberian Railroad I'm really glad I did it I'll never do it again. So that's essentially. Writing a book for me is sort of like that I'm really glad I, did it out or do it again but it certainly. Exploring what's new in the filled one goes this year is to go deeper in the sack to really understand what is underneath everything all the machine learning how does it work? How can we implement sets? We're never going to implement that for someone who wants and there's already tooling author that is going to do a better than we can build it from scratch, but it's so valuable to understand if you're building for Bixby, right if you're building for any platform and you don't really understand how it works, then you're not going to be as successful as you could be. That stuff super fascinating the kind of underlying how it works. I've been exploring that myself in some of that stuff is pretty deep in the technology around the true data science behind and all year but it's really fascinating stuff and I think you're spot on you to really understand what's going on. You've got gotTA. Understand. The. Machine. That's working right understand a car. You gotTA understand. The Motor and all the parts that work together. So understanding the motor in parts of all, us is a great thing to do. The thing. The thing is it's quite simple, right? Once you get into it, it's really simple I. Don't know if you Roger Anyone who's listening has checked out the three blue one brown video series. Have you checked out Roger? I haven't So. It's it's a great great channel. This Guy Grant Sanders something like that. But is channels three blue one brown and it's generally math which for me is not. My the kind of videos I just enjoy watching but his explanation of machine learning and deep learning is incredibly valuable and you come out of and you go oh, that's all there is. That's all there is to it. You realize that all deploring all machine learning as an obviously am oversimplifying this is trying to. Make predictions and get the smallest. Wrong predictions being as little office boss when you go. Oh okay. That's all it is making these predictions over and over and trying to understand the different weights that helped me get closest and you. Okay. Now I'm starting to understand the you start to understand everything there. So I think a lot of people are going to go. Yeah. This just isn't something I can understand but as soon as you go okay, that's all it is. Then you okay maybe I can start understanding this a little bit more. That makes sense. It's perfecting pattern matching. Ways is what happens with the best pattern I can match these and what's the probability? This is right or wrong there. Is there's a lot of people are interested in going into voice. There is a designer developer that. I guess kind of open. Question. Way Or if I was interested in voice, where do you think there's some hot opportunities and what advice for get for people are just dipping their toes right now of loss. Would you think? Thing is the same advice for anything. It's just start doing just as just the build something. What do you? What do you want to see? What do you want to? If you can't think of something that you want to see and finally to toil that gives you a walk-through right use the platform that you have. If you have a Samsung phone, then build for the platform right? If you have a android phone bill for the assistant, just build something just get started it's going to be terrible. It really is and that's okay. The one of the quotes that I love is Something like the first step to being good at some things is sucking it something butcher that but it's the general principle right? You're going to be bad before you're good and so just start building things that you can read a ton of things but you can't really learn to do something just by reading or even by listening to Kane that you can get very far by listening to Canaanite. But until you get your hands in there, you're just not going to really know how to do it can what do you think? So I think yeah. So advice people getting into voice our you know just in Okinawa couldn't really advance on not anywhere but to be honest getting started as these single most important thing depends on what your skill set is. You might be mall creative on the design. You might be a writer also like linguist whatever you might be. On the technical end-all or anything really. We got us a what your back on the. They'll be something here for you to kind of agile underscores that's too and so yeah, getting started absolutely be part of the community. There's a really active community on linked in the slack channels is podcast like this head and all the podcast find your twitter is a good place to start to meet people and things like not. In terms of open common opportunities might be I, mentioned Elliott the Lebron's don't know where to start and so the learning about the technology is one thing and absolutely needs to happen Anderson's talk about going deeper in stock and one of the. Value Behind that is the when we find a client that the needs a bespoke sa on needs bespoke nl you with. The knowledge to be able to advise them properly on how we build away. We acquired it from and so once. Doesn't say once you understand the technology you understand the landscape you can then be in a better position to advise and given that. Brunza. Struggling, to figure out where to stop what the technology is, what it means. So they use what it means for the business. This huge opportunities for people who are on the strategy side whether that's business strategy transformation strategy product strategy, whatever the case may be in innovation strategy. All those folks have the methodology they understand how to take something that's really vague. Learn about it. Do Research do some testing crystallize that kind of pitcher those people have got really real value to bring. On the practical side compensation designers at the moment are in fairly short supply of no. Even on linked in Lincoln advocate basically I. Love Link. Pretty much the only thing I used to any kind of real degree. We're on twitter we're on instagram but really linked in is where we spend most of our time and I've noticed over the last two year that there's been non explosion but there was a hell of a lot more people with the term conversation designer as their job title and the time is now to start learning those skills because Charles Company is a founder of one of the agencies in London. Called sit. Now he's really good slide, which is just a triangle right? An said he says that without the top of the pyramid in that does not huge amount of people doing this right now there is some and it's growing, but it's not huge right and so talent is fairly short supply but what's going to happen if things keep going the way that they go in adoption keeps carrying on if people keep talking to the phones and fridges or whatever whatever pixies? Next if people keep on having these conversations and keep getting confidence than the requirement for more companies to invest in composition Britain's, and then the requirements have more designers and more developers Britain's as well. So if we're at the top of the pyramid now, what can you do to get started? Now? WHO CAN I go? Since kind of point if there's going To be more of a soon you know starting now is kind of important because it means that you'll part of the kind of stock and family. You know we're we're all collectively in on this, we'll be another compensation has been on for a long time and you roger been working with it for longer than we have potentially and you look at people like Adam. Chai and Coffee Pearl and all of those kind of have been working since the nineties and befall. But as far as the consumer understanding of what this stuff is and how it works and how it can be applied, where can be used in the wider availability of it thousand. That's what you just start in the last five years and so being part of this. Kind of circle now is I think it's really it's a privilege think anything that you can do to get started now whether it's composition designed whether it's development whether it's strategy whether it's audio production, sound design dialup designed right in the whole whole bunch test in research whole bunch to skills that you need to do this stuff. Yeah. Definitely. Space for everyone I think. That's Super Spun on Vice Elsa here about conversational design the short to conversational signers is really the other thing is is ready to people. It's emerging I mean there's a small number of people are really experts in it. And her so much opportunity to learn and refine and figure it out most NASA much more NASA. Nights say than actually that tech behind voice is now actually designing an amazing experience and top of this technology. So I think that spot on yeah destiny you're right go build son right I was laughing as I as you're talking 'cause I. Remember I just ran across the code for my skill is a fact skill for Alexa tells kids jokes, and only of the jokes really bad that the code is poorly done. And I think it's still alive. I got a I haven't touched it in three years so. Hopefully still out there with zero reviews or something. But Hey, go in right now and get go do that's the salient advice of anything right go try it. See what you're good at can build on your strengths. Guys WanNa talk a little bit of Bisbee. This is bixby podcast. So the big speed marketplace's mood available for phones for quite a while. Just released for watches, you can do some early things with smart appliances refrigerators and it's coming. TV's so all these new devices. What are these new devices get really excited about? Voice present saw. I think what gets me excited as the ambiance of it? So I have sunk phone I've had Samsung phones for the past four or five years a quite enjoy them probably continue purchasing them, and so that's nice to have it on the phone of course, but I would kill to get my hands on one of the new Samsung watches I love to get my hands on that and to have one assistant there as well and to have it in the TV to have in the devices that have it everywhere would be great my wife and I just moved into a new apartment, which is two and a half times larger than than our previous one. So boys and girls podcasting does workout. But Financial Future. Put seriously, we didn't have much larger apartments and we needed more devices because we have space in the apartment that we can't speak to the machines and the idea of okay. Well, we don't need to put one in the kitchen because our frigerator already has it right or. It's where it follows us if all of us I had everyone has a rich uncle. I had a rich uncle and I remember I was ten years old. This was ninety, four, ninety, five. He had lights that turned on when you pass by and I was like, Oh, this house it's it's so amazing. My wife says, everyone has their like formative moment that fluency everyone's life and I think that was. The idea that everywhere my house smart and understand where I am I going to speak to I can interact with it. That that really gets me excited and then when I leave I can speak to my watch. I can speak to the galaxy buds alive I can speak to that I am just an utterance away from information and that's great because. I enjoy my phone when I use it but I really actually hate using phone I hate having to have my head buried into it, and so the idea that I can speak to my watch and said, I can speak to the ear buds and said that's really exciting to me. What do you think? Yeah. I. Think the thing that also opens open this is what gets me excited about all voice. Some song is in a particularly strong position to take advantage of it is. The wider availability. Increases. The types of things that your likely to want to do with it. And so The first to adoption inevitably as availability isn't that you need to make stuff available at once it's available you need to get people to access it easily and off, and then you in the realms of China create habitual usage, and so getting availability is step number one we need to make this thing available. Then when you make available, what then happens is you have new use cases come about of the contextual environments people are in when access their assistant, but you also have is what gets me excited? This is the kind of stuff we tend to Geico on the podcast about is. The types of nuances the design nuances, the each different device type and different environmental context can bring about an example give all the time is. An I'll get to something winnable position for this in the end is. When I'm out and about so I've got an iphone shamefully iphone I've been trying to break the I the apple ecosystem for a long time because it hinders me Martin House needs some but anyway. Long episodes when I'm out and about with an episodes, I use Siri even though the one thing it needs is an audible cue to tell me what is listening because the amount of times I've been walking all talk myself and the things even triggered probably is unbelievable. fucked when I'm out and about and I'm interacting with it I don I only want something Sean Swift I don't want to bomb don't want the whole news I just want the headline in the summary I don't want to tell me all about the football match I just want you to tell me what the skull was a Nazi. That's all I care about whereas if I'm home and I'm watching the telly maybe I, do want to hear a bit more news movies you can show me some clips Newton go deeper if I ask you about the football go some highlights give me some more research content and so that's what gets me excited is that every every new? Device that we put voices into in the bixby shows upon there is potential left taught in new use case is and contextual based you excuses which then change how we designed compensation experiences. We don't just design the dialogue. We designed different types of dialogue for different types of environments and different types of devices, plus some of them have screens. Some of them have screens can't touch screens ECON touch and it is just a whole world of possibilities not. So that's the reason why I think some nickel position for this is because they already have you already have the device footprint already got TV's in twenty percent of the world's homes the ought four percent or whatever is now. Avoided got phones in you know fifty percent of people's pockets. You voted got microwaves and dishwashers and all that kind of stuff already, and so that's the kind of thing. The other thing some can really benefit from is to get this right and put it into those environments is you've got availability and potential access bill in, and then it becomes about people creating component of experiences for that to then turn habitual, and then you're on the road to be in. A real kind of value assistant. I love that contextual aware right responses depending on the device because I think the industry has been built on a smart speaker logically that's where it came. That's where it got popular is leaving. Go down. For. Thirty. Bucks can get an echo dot. That's pretty darn sheep entry point but you're at spot on around but I want my watch is probably quick and simple many at home on the TV at wants something longer in any Guinness let vice talking to where am I, what time of day is the smart this system being smart and giving you. Just amount of information you want too much not too little to me. That's an uncharted territory. We really haven't figured that out, but it's pretty darn exciting and I think you're right about the other devices. I still think still early tack adopters who have voice assistance or smart. Let's say they have smart speakers I think lucky won't be bluffed phones number people use. Their voices in their phone is shockingly small, sometimes compared to the number of homes that are sold. But as you start putting in additional devices, somebody goes and buys okay. A Samsung TV and they would have never bought a smart speaker like, Oh, I can talk to this. That's cool. So they get that introduction. Through. Buying a device that they didn't buy was voiced device. It was a feature that device and then they get brought into this voice ecosystem and become new users with frankly new needs are new thinking about what I really good voice experiences. Send me a lot of the growth in the industry is going to be coming from. Voice being just all around us is you said the Ambien And then being contractually away are, and then you'll get more and more people using it. It becomes more of ubiquitous kind of thing. Do you think of your thoughts on what registered there about the industry as we know it being field by small speakers. intimidated the enthusiasm. I don't know. I don't know one of the things that I keep thinking about is I want you to all start making one. I really want you to start making money and to start making money you need to start thinking boring. He needs to start thinking boring and smart speakers aren't making you money today making an Amazon money. It's making Google ads making Samsung. I'm sure I hope for your Sake Rogerio making a lot of money as well but it's not making the third party developers money where I want to see people go and continue building for the consumer of course but I wanna see this in the factory I wanna see this on the farm I wanNA see this out there I want to these boring applications that are raking in millions a year. You never hear about these developers that's what I would love to see. Your. Rudge by saying you know. Someone buys at some TV isn't aware that they can use voice with it. All of a sudden they can't now they use it, and so it's kind of tied. It's not necessarily a bar in use case, but it's similar in terms of in it where it's needed. That's why we saw kind of interested in exploring speaking to, and we've been speaking to clients on the hospice. You know it's one of the places where customers a phone and up because they've got a problem the talking to you because that's the medium and when they get there if you haven't automated edge and even if you just route the calls, what is it Schwab Schwab Charles. Schwab. Don't need. They don't need a switchboard anymore. It's all handled by an article done by so when you put it where people already are. You've got the potential to then one provide value on to educate people about what it's like to have an ultimate compensation. One of these agents which then increases that confidence to do other things because like it or not. The boring stuff is actually this stuff is transactional system the odds utility it's the stuff that helps people get stuff done if helping people get stuff done easier and quicker isn't the promise of ambient voice compute and then I don't know what is. The. It's funny. You mentioned that I sent some gifts to a friend over the US are ordered it on Amazon Dot Com and it just never arrived and so I went to contact Amazon and I have experienced with her live chat. But this time it wasn't with the person that was with a bought and I thought Oh. No, here it is. GOING GONNA work out. Twenty seconds thirty seconds I got my answer. I got another package sent out and it was perfect to speak with anyone and that was fine because i. What I needed to do, and that was fantastic. Did it to know that? There is technology that can give me to another packet out in thirty seconds I'll that's fantastic and that's that's a benefit to you but just imagine what us to Amazon as well. You think about companies dealing with millions of calls every month you just take out five percent of that and you've got what you call a decent Roi. So just take the basic things really simple Tijuana support staff to get the website as well. Stop the phone call from happening in the first place, the power of compensation. And voice in particular on websites is huge and so I do think that what you'll get out there in terms of getting into places where people either might not expect the again into places where the default behavior built into the medium already is definitely worth doing, and at the same time, there are people who use their voice. Anyway like my dad I use this example. My Dad uses his use Google Assistant. He's gone android for news. Google assistant and it doesn't even realize Google assistant he just thinks he talks to his phone. Own as much as we're kind of interested in it as much as we get our heads wrapped around ready passionate and excited about it. Ultimately it what really is the end user get what they need from it, and some of people using it using bixby haven't got a clue what it is just using it because they just talked to their phone and it's how do you add value to those I think all the other stuff around the contextual sophie environmental stove falafel calm. But yeah, I dozens right. Get Ball in get practical and stocked you the difference in Value I. think that's spot on her own. That's where the money is when you guys are talking about. I was kind of thinking Ivr. Makes me think of desperately mashing the telephone zero, zero zero give me a person because it didn't work. But if it works like Dustin your example right we talked up right or Type. Joe By in works that's great. It's super efficient. So Ivy are that works is a huge huge opportunity and you're spot on right I love retail tech background a phone call to retailer is ten twelve dollars was a formula to us that's a lot of money you can have a answer that or some conversational. In on you product wherever it manifest itself answer that's huge dollars and cents behind that Dustin I. Think you're spot on a sitting here silicon valley and resulted a saying sometimes it goes round that around a to see where at sexy and B. to be as the money is. Right. It's so fun and sexy adults on beat AC- but the real money often made in the B., two B. Space and I think voice I got huge opportunities. They are conversational they. I unlock that or the marriage of the two might be Ivr, you got to the BB this is advantage the customer edge I just want my problem solved quickest fastest easiest way possible in that's talking to. VR system more than A. Person Great. Because I wants to be on this phone calls for a long time. Now. Or they. Wait. Exactly yeah. Yeah. Way Guys were jumping in talking about this a little bit right now, just a general question about voice in general the short-term next year or so what are you seeing that's emerging the you're excited about or what would you like to see if it hasn't emerged in the next year or so around voice? That what do you think that? Some still excited about is things aren't authentication. So some of those cases just talking about if you just want to buy something. Then you can buy something right now on these voice assistance, it's fine. But as we start getting using the mall of the family are using the mall and you want us not doing more kind of advanced transaction bist stove or accessing accounts and things like that. Then being able to identify someone based on the sound of their voice and then give them only access to the stuff they need from their voice. That's an area where if we can get that right then we opened up the ability to add some of those use cases that really do I value like the situation where you might have captial on everyone can access. Some retailers captial to outs to shop in this, but only the person who is named on the account whose voices authenticated can actually mick the transaction I. think that's an interesting. The other interesting is the whole kind of. Fusing voice with other tech existing technologies and make an ecosystem. So one of the things has always been hard to get people into a voice experience if you build one of the platforms and so thinking of Whiz, like the quick links, the was raw recently where you can just click a link and fire skill fi thinking of ways to kind of decrease. The steps needed to get into an experience for people to help them discover what these things can do because we're still in not fares being for two years, three years, four years, which is discover ability is still a challenge on these emerging platforms house quite being totally fixed yet. Then also I'm just interested in excited to see voice get pulled me. I'm excited to get places where it's needed and put in places where users already are on websites in op. You've seen the spotify voice interface narrow up fantastic. It's simple. It's not doesn't do anything sexy, but it saves you seventeen tops on a screen is if you use it and so this is the kind of stuff the I'm hoping to say. Over. The next saw twelve months is getting down to business stop proven the value of this technology and not proven what cannot do the user, what it cannot do the business and how it can actually be part of how we interact technology rather than this new shiny thing over here that we need to go out with all the way to do something with a make sense. That's great. How Dustin. In terms of what I WANNA see. Today if you want to implement speech the attacks in the browser, you're unable to do it in. Safari. Unable to do it in us at all your unable to fire Fox and Mozilla just announced layoffs including their deep speak seem it's only right. It's only chrome today where you could do native speech to text the browser what I am just dying to see over the next year because it's the same thing I dined as the Anti doesn't twenty the same thing Zionists in two thousand nineteen. Is Native speech to text and every browser. You can ads piece of text and browsers right now but it's difficult. It's not really easy on Safari. Especially, it's not the best user experience and that's holding back some voice experiences came mentioned spotify APP. You can do it in the native APPs. That's great. But. I don't know about you I feel like I'm a moving a lot of my stuff to the mobile web. I'm downloading less absent I used to and I think I've seen some staff that maybe bear that out. Across globally as well. I would love to have more voice in the browser I. Think this is a great opportunity, a lost opportunity and. I don't know exactly why it's not happening. Maybe it's privacy on the safari side it seems to be resources on Mozilla Side I. Don't know why it's not happening, but I really WanNa see it over the next year. was. Really. bummed. Released their voice product in the browser an end the week later laid off the team who was just really ashamed for the industry because there. So important around the industry testing because there's salesforce another still up behind Stan bought builder the moved to the voice cloud, which is part of the partnership with Amazon connective done. But then they've got rid of the Einstein voice savings as well. It's funny how this little tiny signs kicking around the some companies a maybe. Of is the world because as I said, look Amazon connect punish now in salesforce and they've got the voice clouds still using the technology but the one that was being made a big dance about as being stripped Buckley. It's interesting. Is there a pragmatic reality falling into the the industry around? Okay. It was the shiny new penny. Any went chase at willow we chased it maybe. Too aggressively on the wrong way there's a little bit of a back end. You're so spot on cain around saying, Hey, I want meaningful I wanted to do something for me. That's useful above and beyond yes. With all listen to it for music weather that it's interesting even even people inside the voice industry you talk to them they'll sit their use for music and while there and that, and it's pretty the mundane things but the value add. Capabilities are where there's a real unlock. Super Bullish like you guys are around voice neethling the web and apps because I just every time I think I use something? In. It's like a man I got is nested under twelve menus of do this I. I was using Excel I would love excel, enable because I can never remember half the attitude of Excel I do the basic stuff well. Asked me like soon as like creativity table I know I've done that but for God if I could just say creativity will say to it and have it do it and asking you the questions that would be awesome. You want clip again that's what you want. You want clip to come back. Come. Fleet with the dancing on the screen. Hate Clip. He was a cool idea ahead of its time and maybe a little bit goofy executed. We've had the exact composition does not me excel specifically about xl as well about how better it would be with the voice interface on it the same as four shop Shopping Orleans platforms where because so many features buried away on the menu with Madden's that you would never think about trying to find to to do this kind of thing. Yeah. The shoe scopes talking to someone today I was doing a Webinar in India and I've got this kind of come wrapping using. Videos Bob also start using it for the wet calm. And it's just so many sentence. All I ever do is use the normal kind of automatic setting and I'd like to just sit hey, turn up the the white balance aw the exposure do something with the scene like a nice scene for this room kind of thing much like to be a. Bury myself in menus and all that kind of stuff. We all run to Google go need to. So I go searching the web to go find that. I. Clicked Eighteen different buttons to go and make the setting where I could just explain it in a sentence of huge opportunity for to go there and not that's not a sexy thing. That's a useful thing. Just, make it easier and better. so how `Bout Rubbing Your Crystal Ball And looking out say five or ten years. Woody guys see happening voice in five or ten years we start with you destin. I'm bad at prediction I'm so bad at predictions I. I'm hoping to see a little bit more maturity in the industry for one. The industry can be a little bit parochial at the moment I'm. Interested I mean this goes back to where we were talking about before where we wanna see the boring things are making a lot of money. So I think that's one. One prediction will make though is I think. Algae is going to be a lot more important natural language ration- I think that we might have fewer conversation designers in the future I know that's a it's a bit of a controversial reversal sti day. One. I think some of the some of the natural language generation that we're already seeing is not ready to go out there and be on its own, but it's getting. So close it's getting. So close I've had the good fortune to be able to interact with a new GPC's remodel from open for awhile, and it's amazing. The kind of things that could do it's amazing. The kind of things they can do and other models are not going to be far behind and so I think we're going to see and certainly open I will be one of the first to tell you'll see them on twitter or talking about this that it is not ready. It is not ready but five ten years. Yeah. Maybe it will be ready maybe it will be ready to someone else we'll be ready. So I think that's going to be my one prediction is maybe not everything is going to be offloaded. But there's GonNa be a whole lot more. I think. I haven't gotten access yet the GP d three seems like the kind of playground for the future. You can expect more things they don't quite fully work. But there's some cool. You get a glimpse over things are going. With that tool, how about yourself king five or ten years Christobal Chris I think there's a couple of things I would like to see on the other side to the NFL g on the kind of speech recognition side on the input I'd like to see a lot better when it comes to accents and things like that. That's one of the things that has to get better with accents because there's a huge amount of people who are ironically for one. Of the arguably most accessible technologies, the on the planet law people already still currently excluded doesn't perform quite as well with an accent censor gender and races even hoping that dockets better and I'm confident get better incrementally over time I think I think Bill Gates cordless at something like we tend to all estimate the impact of technology in the short term but underestimate it's impact in the long term. I think that's where we already overestimate and what this can do to. Their can't read it. I was talking we do a daily log on linked in one of the things today was around subtext. So if a doctor says to you, we can do something you've got something we can it we can operate on you or we can give you medication which one do you want right now? The Systems Listening fall operation or medication, but Atkins in in human terms out onto that question with I'll tell you what get over and done with. So I'm answering the question I'm just not giving you an explicit answer and for those of Texas is really difficult for for this technology to get soon. So there's a whole whole lot of opportunity for this to get better on the recognition side of things. Understanding things like soap texting and sentiment and voice authentication, and all those kind of things, and then also to be honest I mean, you look at some of the tooling its outlet now just in talking about, Algebra even your compensation does on the job essentially being being in jeopardy it's true because. We once if what they systems are doing is recognizing patterns, then you speak to any linguists or any compensation analyst, and they'll tell you the conversations of full of puns. There's a book I. Don't know if you've seen it here. Conversational you ex design by Bob Mueller and Rafael era awesome book hundred percent. We had Bob on the podcast and it was absolutely phenomenal and essentially this book is essentially all about that. It's conversational patterns and that's what we do now is when we woke new clients is figure out what those Ponza soon as the system can recognize those patterns are pick up on your first initial utterance and build upon for you based on. The whole world looks totally different and so I. I. Don't know whether I'll be five years I. think that might be than not book. Yeah. Upon see these systems being able to manage more of the dialogue understand more and more precisely on the. Money's the dialogue a bit more effectively in the middle and then produce in on the analogy side out the other end, and whether that will be that sounds like it might be a little bit longer than not seems to be the direction is headed in. This is more process automated. Yeah it's interesting. I. Was just talking to Nick Schwab. Of Boy, Spain sleeps on Spain about exactly what he was talking about developing and how crude it is the with all these simple Princeton's white isn't that high? Suggest Right. Because the data's there I think you're getting on now around just big smart. It's pretty crude and simplistic right now how you built application. Is, it gets smarter a get smarter unlocks all his creativity right around people don't have to worry about the nuts and bolts right in the nuts and bolts thing Gareth. Then, he can build a really cool stuff is can spend time there but because you've got to build a mentioned that about nuts and bolts, which is frank lowered industry is right now. It's harder. It's a greater effort to build innovative new experiences I think so. Awesome guys. We'll have to reconnect five or ten years and see what the heck is going on quality. Wrong I figure nine needed something wrong I'm doing good if I, many. Doubts those odds all day long having Nice Fun folks in the future and thinking about where things go in and stuff like that. I don't think that anyone can the plan any further than three years absolute Max as far as the people listening to this podcast want build stole from businesses that want to implement strategy economy within three years and really do you do better off trying to think about what you WanNa do in the next six months we penalty on us and take it one time. Split on. Hey guys. One of my favorite wrap up questions is what are some of your favorite voice experiences and why? Okay. Yeah good question. I'm trying to think of any of the ones that are being tested out recently, I'll tell you the thing that I use more than anything else is prime on the echo show in the kitchen. DACAS used a breakfast time because my son doesn't eat anything unless Thomas the tank engines on it's almost become his personal tv now in the kitchen I guess time because he wasn't anything in this is the second engines on it against us on the time I'm quite affair with with getting videos played on prime is hit and miss though to be honest it's a little bit difficult sometimes especially when. You ask them for crazy crazily named children's programs. I'll tell you one thing that I thought was good and this isn't on the bar in business end, but it is more on the experiential in that. Much of the day magazine Quiz I don't know if you've come across that WanNa know if you've got a display device, check it out because it's pretty nice animations and stuff like that. It's pretty cool. And Yeah that's why I'm excited to see what the zoom integration looks like. That's definitely something to Arkansas views in Tom, Don mcgann, most of the skills and. Shows etc. The use it mostly at the moment honestly as testing purposes seeing what's out there testing what's going on I haven't turned many of them into habitual usage apart from the C. B. B.'s skill on the BBC skill which abused both of those pre pre habitually they're both pre code. But yeah. Yeah. Prime is being used on. Mobile. Doesn't. One is, did you know that power points can do live captions? POWERPOINT can actually caption you present, which is pretty interesting. It's very nice but powerpoint can do life subtitles as well. So powerpoint could take your English or Spanish or whatever it can translate on the fly what you're saying into another language. So of you are going to Japan to give talk I don't know if it works for Japanese if you're going to Italy to give a talk and you don't speak Italian you can give the talk in English and you can get Italian subtitles on the fly I. I was just absolutely blown away by that. So. That's that was something that really impressed me. Another one is actually a few years old. There's this school inside of New York University inside have been why you called. ATP, and actually one of we had a guest co host Clare who joined us and for the rundown and a attended that school and they're all about the near future of technology and one. They always have this show and tell I think at the end of every year and one person built something where it was VR headsets and there's a microphone. And you had to. Say something about yourself. You had to say something and determine if it was a true through our ally. And if it was a live at deterrent that was a ally, your nose grew in front. Until I always say that I want to voice experience make me cry and I didn't make me cry. But that kind of experience kind of experience that. Really makes you feel something whether it's sadness or it's delight in that case. I want to see more of that and I'm not saying it today and that kind of thing, I? Really. WanNa see more of it. Because the guys a peaked my curiosity for a couple of things definitely check out. I love that question and it's interesting to see what people like hey, if people want to keep in touch with each of you individually or view ex world, what's the best way to do so? Yes. So you can go to the Vu expert website the US dot world all you can check us out on most of the channels out view ex world on twitter Lincoln those are the best places individually. I'm link Kim's just reach Arlington. I'm on that more or less every day you know I'll do a daily log on there which is video of either me walking the dog. I'll make an not talking about conversational ai insights and musings and foster in the discussion within the community, which is always nice as all is are fabulous I- loved us. Daily. Walk Augustine yeah. You can always reach out on link ten, but I also say if you want to send me an email dustin. World I will reply to reply to every person that comes my way. So if you have any questions, any thoughts, any abuse, you her my way go ahead and send it to that email. One final one final thought is that we do have a voice strategy assessment at the moment on the world, and so if you just go to video x, dot world slash voice, it's five minutes ten minutes may be tops you just fill in some details about yourself about your company, what you'll be working on what your challenges are, what your skill sets out. What team structure you have and essentially it comes to was we do an audit we do research all for free. We put together in a report that essentially gives you informed Next Steps and guidance about how you can be improved in your voice and conversational strategy entirely free no strings attached via dot world slash if you are interested in a free voice strategy assessment. Rate and I'm not plug your podcast again because I If your. Stride VX world in. You're interested in voice you gotTa. Subscribe. Today. Is really an awesome podcast villain, amazing set of guests. So we'll make sure to get all that information in the show notes. Hey, guys. Being a super pleasure you guys are like the call, the dynamic duo of. Such deep insight, and so interesting to listen to talk to I love your podcast talking to you today. Thank you so much for your time today. As You Thanks so much rather nice run. Thanks for having us. All right. That's all folks till next time. 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Week 15 Red Challenge Flag Picks & odd team out for the playoffs

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

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Week 15 Red Challenge Flag Picks & odd team out for the playoffs

"Football football programs available on Apple Apple podcasts at fell dot com slash DDS. Now here's your host Jay damage. I love football ball. FANS WELCOME TO NFL week fifteen. Welcome to the Dave check. Football Program presented is always buyer pals at Zach's home of the famous chicken fingers wings and L. is my thing. You didn't have been jumping. I had it by myself. I felt like we used to do. You WanNa do it together okay. I thought we did famous chicken fingers wings things in Zahlee Ha new. You're GonNa do that all right away. Welcome to the DONUT's we only have three weeks left of the regular he's in the final four is now set Matt Money Smith in the playoffs. And then it's all done again. A lot of teams. It's already over with but they look ahead to the the draft and otherwise I worked for one of those teams. Yeah that's right but they are still a player. Let's dig in on all of it first of all. Let's say hello to the man whose voice you've already heard media. Lefty is the voice of your Los Angeles chargers outside the playoff mix but ready to make hay and maybe derail other teams play out bids Also one half of the finest radio show and all the land you want to check it out if you are a PAC twelve football fan because he and his pal petro's pancakes are making all sorts of interesting commentary Harry on the USC coaching Gig and Beyond College football pro football all the rest and you watch them on NFL now. Every Thursday and Friday all that said Matt Money Smith. What's happening for for all you Dave Damasec football program enthusiasts I believe it is January second January second. Yeah it'll be with new reacting to all the New Year's day the big six New Year's Day Games and and Getting Ready for the NFL playoff the iconic. Three and a half hours Petros and money show to be able to sit in there many times lower w back great times great three times and UPCOMING WE HAVE THE RICH Allen flag. Picks coming your way Eddie Spaghetti over there and his little junior many eddie angel hair. They have the audition for the fan. Right or New York. City is Francesa step societies vacant. Some big games coming up. Say but let's start it off if if you don't Mind Matt Money Smith with the fresh takes presented by the aforementioned Zach spy's home of the famous chicken fingers wings and Salads and let's figure it out my fate one of my favorite activities activities and I hate. Math is doing the math of so wait. This team loses. Then they have a head to head law so that would mean that this team jump San would be the five seat unless they win the division than the other team falls to a six or they might just missed. All that kind of talk is fun. I went through it two years ago with the chargers. Here's who you may remember In that infamous nate Peterman game sacked him or accepted him five times in the first half so they finished the two thousand seventeen season At nine seven and the bills finished the two thousand seventy nine seven and yet the bills went to the postseason despite the fact they got thoroughly dominated on because it was three way tie. Because the darn Tennessee titans finish nine and seven and then it goes to conference record and the bills had one more. AFC Conference Win than the chargers. Play the jags eight and nearly upset them before they made their streak into Pittsburgh big win. Right it is. It's wacky how tight it is the parody that exists and just the slimmest of margins that will see you either be in the playoffs advance to another round of the postseason. It's odd how they should do it by committee you know instead of all that like getting down the fourth level of tiebreaker comment. Somebody should just say like what come on we we all know. We all know who's better with that team. What do you think of this? Because obviously they wouldn't be able to do that because of the idea that it wasn't on the up and up but what if you did. This is what I would prefer as opposed to record in conference. I want to record in your last five games. ooh I like that very much. That's what I would do record and your last five games because it means hey. This is a team that had injuries early or somehow figured something out late. Made a change at quarterback and here they are coming. That's what I want. GimMe Gimme the record occurred in the last five. That is interesting by the way we talked about the the mythical team that gets hot at the right time with SZANTO HAIR UP CLEVELAND. Browns legend also had had something to do with the Super Bowl victory with Eli Manning and company in New York deep dive on. Eli What the future holds their Baker Mayfield Levian Bell Bowling Rolling playoff picture all that with the earlier podcast from the week. I encourage. You need demand that you go back and dig that one up for all. Your breaking news related Items Adams this video camera on the bengals sideline with the Patriots. We address all of it if you have any questions about what we have seen up to this point. But that's that's rear view mirror stuff money and I are ready to project the windshield three more weeks money. Let's break it down. Let's start off with two. Three teams enter are two teams. Go to the play offs. I think is how we'll put it and let's start with the NFC side. Who are there are there is there are two wildcards eld cards for three teams in the NFC side? So let's start doing this seahawks in right. So this grouping it looks like we're talk you're putting the seahawks and right. Yeah because it seems to me that they're in. Yeah they're in the I mean so. We make that assumption. I say seahawks are in. We're talking three teams for one spot. Aw Vikings Bears Rams for that and I think we're doing the same thing in the the packers by the standard. You're checking out there laying out there. I don't think the packers can play themselves out of anything. They're not locked in. But were they lose to the bears. They got That seems unlikely. And you know we remember their third is someone look up their third of what is it. I've forgotten what the packers thirties buy. Yes let's boil it down then three weeks from now you can pull it up and laugh at us. Who is it there Eddie Spaghetti lions that one? Yeah they're GONNA win a game to get it okay. Let's start start with the rams they go at cowboys at niners. Cardinals that's That's what awaits them and they currently sit at eight five. Then you've got the Vikings going to Carson California to play your chargers. Then they go home with the pack and then home with the bears. The bears years of the team that all of a sudden the rams have made their push with todd. Gurley looking like Todd Gurley again and so on but bisky all of a sudden not so bad they go at packers cours then they host the chiefs then they go at the Vikings. Can I jump the gun here before you answer. I think the bears can't make no they gotta go to Lambo. Oh and Minnesota and I don't think you're getting more than ten wins and I think the rams this is the big one for the rams this week I mean that's such a stupid thing to say. Of course it is but the cowboys you know we're waiting it's like man look at that roster look all that talent and then you kind of then you look at statistics and it's like the defense is top ten in every passing category and they should beat the rams they should you know. Run the heck out of the ball with Zeke Elliot. Reid Aaron Donald neutralized that pass rush. Lean on their pass. rusher Lawrence and Fluster Jared Goff who by the way was fantastic against against Arizona. where he really was much off was but then but then he was old against Seattle? Everyone's like Oh always back. I'm like that I miss. There's something because he threw two picks in that game. I really was was pretty darn good but it was the defense. The defense is what one game. I think that those throws if I may admire them. When when you start with some gray every not every quarterback can you roll out the way they consistently rolled out golf on on Sunday night and have him throw or was it Monday night throwing got throwing those strikes on moving targets? Yeah Sunday night. Sorry and I so I I do think for one week or for I guess. Now he's put together a fortnight count there as on a game because before that he was terrible Baltimore so then he has a a huge breakout against their. I should Kinda what am I saying. I mean obviously you have throw for four hundred and forty yards and a couple touchdowns a great outing no question but like I said that's why I think this is the week right eight. We've seen teams tear apart the cowboys. Now that statistically. It's not like the Josh Allen game was fantastic but he won that game for him. Put the team on his back and one in buffalo with a great defense behind them. The rams have the great defense. This is like to me the the nut cut in time for Jared Goff this. She's the game that you have to win that. Your defense is going to help you out. But you've got to go out there and win it. And if he does that then I'm with you. I think I think that's what you were going right. Yeah Yeah I debut. Lena Rams I think so because the vikings could conceivably play themselves out of things and you know we're not to the red challenge flag picks yet but we're not picking the chargers vikings game so I'll I'll say it here now. I think you're chargers. Knock him off. I think that Phil Rivers has been. It's sad to see his trash talking with Yongin. Gok Way not with what I do. Yeah I thought it was great because that's what I do. Yeah you can't yell at my year like a yacht can be a has a good boss. Because that's what I do. I was thinking. He played quarterback at a pretty high level But Hey if that's not what you do what you do is you know and people then. That's great too. I mean I I really think that this defense is legitimate and I think also that anthony any landon and these are the calculations you have to make is. You're trying to figure out WHO's GonNa who's playing for anything. Anthony Land is coaching for his job. Is that fair to say no now. I don't think so. I think you look at how banged up. This team was How poorly rivers played in that stretch of games when they needed to win? All three. You know all the chiefs raiders and and and broncos games all in a row. They lost them all. Philip rivers threw eight interceptions in those three games. The defense was great. But then you know and I think it's also what what's the identity of that team. Did they ever lose the identity. Did you ever get the sense that the guys quit. No I mean even though Philippians out there throwing four interceptions interceptions in a game three interceptions and a game defense is still playing hard. They're still in the game up to the very final possession and I think that speaks highly of a head coach that that he's safe that when you lose James and you see the impact. He has on the Games as soon as he returns. I mean my gosh. WELL MAKER HE IS I. You know what that is specifically what I'm I'm looking at. He's the x factor. This game is in so many games when he's out there Dowman Cook is Davin. Cook rightly going to get off against against that front and Derwin. James aims trying to certainly playing raw. What's interesting this is? What's kind of this? Is the Vikings. Get into a weird spot. All of a site. They have to win the game. The Vikings have to win. This is game this game and look. The Jaguars are terrible. I mean that team I was I was dumbfounded. How bad that team looked Gardner meant? You never threw the ball. I think more maybe like one air yard the entire contest. He was under duress the almost the entire game. So this'll be a different level of opponent. So I'm not sure how much stock we've shared that chargers win but I will say the defense has been consistent all year and what we always say about cousins right well big meaningful game prime time not all that nice now. He did show out in a couple of prime time games so far this season. But he's been good this is I did. LISTEN IF YOU'RE GONNA make that kind of lewd whether you think it's fair not and it's anecdotal and it's it's limited evidence. He did get the ball in Seattle with a chance to drive of them and he did nothing with. I know that that's maybe not fair. But because he batted being a guy who makes that kind of thing. I'll take the flip side of that. You're supposed to have the best defense top front to back up front linebackers dominant second there. You are supposed to have that. He gave them the lead paid. And that's kind of the thing about the chargers and the Philip rivers thing and all. It's all his faults like well. Let's not forget. He gave them the lead in Oakland. All you gotTa do is stop them. They're stop them in in Oakland on that last drive with Josh Jacob Scores from the and that's kind of what I'm getting with the Vikings like. Hey if your defense that don't be given up thirty eight points. Isn't that what it was. I think. Okay or whatever they gave up because there was that late score but you know they have that late touchdown that was when the game was no longer in play. But don't give them any points when your team scores thirty go in the game. So you say the Vikings need to win this one. But if they lose then they're tracking to maybe go one and two down the stretch. But you're still going to put the bears out over them because because the bears go at pack chiefs in Chicago and then he started playing in week. Sixteen it's highly unlikely likely the chiefs. So here's where the math gets. wonky right there's going to be presumably trying to catch. The patients will do things. That's so that's so this is where we have to do it in the aggregate right so the rams if they go ten and six right if they win two of those three beat that you know we assume they're going to lose at the forty niners They beat the cowboys. They beat the cardinals. They are now ten in six. The bears have to win out to ten and six. The Rams beat them head to head so if there's a third team that's ten and six now now which is entirely possible if the Vikings go one and two now. I gotTa start doing that math now. We gotTA talk about. What's the conference record who wins that Tiebreaker between these three ten and six teams? Because I'm under the assumption that Seattle is GonNa Finish at least eleven and five and they're in That they're they're good. They're in now. It comes down to that conference record in a three anyway tie and I don't know what those numbers are but I assume one of these teams is going to go eleven five. That's why I'm counting the bears out and I think it's probably the Vikings. Yes so okay so wait so we're going to say the bears. Are I think so because the best thing to do is ten and six. Now let's bounce to the do. I think you're right. I I agree I think it's the bears miss out. Yeah yeah they they dropped the one you gotTa pick so the bears are out but now you have to pick. That's what I'm saying. The seahawks are in there getting wildcard. So you have to pick between the rams the vikings which one of those do the rams go three and go and finish eleven and five. Do the Vikings go and finish eleven and five How I think back on the fact that I'm laying out that the vikings are GonNa lose in Carson California? Which is my assumption? I'm going to go against what I said in the off season season in the run-up to the season and I guess the regular Argon sneak in the interesting but then the big one for them becomes in week sixteen based off the play the niners the Niners Gad. Ed What is presumably a week off this week at home against the Falcons. But I'll remind you of course the last game that you might have circled and said okay. Maybe this one they can put their feet up a little little bit. The cardinals came to town and they just about knocked them off again. Human beings are the people are the ones who played this sport. And therefore when you are the niners all you've played or these he's These massive games. You gotta get to hold onto one of those is you. Do Take your foot off the gas a little bit because remember if they don't get oh so you've got to so they're not gonNA take their foot off the gas just because if you don't win that division you are now a wildcard and you've got to win three games not to and you've got to win them all on the road which we saw last year with the chiefs and the chargers the gap that exists charges got a flight a Baltimore Fly to New England back to back weeks with the exact same record the chiefs get a by. I host the colts host the Patriots. So here's instead of doing all the math and trying to figure out what the tiebreakers are. Let me put it to you this way. Answer me this they Damasec of those three teams. If you're the five you'RE GONNA plan. I think you're gonNA play the packers right. I think that's who you'll if you're the packers which which those three teams do you want to see. Lease the packers are involved with these teams coming down the stretch here so or through the Vikings. I'd say if you're the Vikings we'll put the saints it's in the niners and the top two and you're another three seat and you are facing the number six that wildcard spot. It's the Rams it's the bears or it's the vikings five I will be the five four is going to be. The Eagles are cowboys. The four is going to the eagles are cowboys are gonNA play the seahawks in the first round right. That's that's to me is honors or the night right but I think they'll probably play the hackers. It's three I think you're right Akers. Who Do you not want to see because you have to who division opponents that you always say like those are the toughest opponents because they know you best? Then you've got this Ramstein Aaron Donald and all of a sudden maybe they've got some momentum d really want to deal with that. But it's outside it's at Lambeau. It's January team you do. One is the rams based writing. You want jared God. After he crumbled up in soldier field last awesome. You want the pretty boy California guys coming up there by the way I think what does decide it knocks. The the Vikings aldag ultimately early is the rams helping their soon to be same building rival. The chargers are the chargers will knock off the vikings could put the rams in Chelsea that was convoluted see. That's that's what happened. I don't know if we answered anything. The only reason I can navigate is because I've been doing it for three years. Now Yeah right all these tiebreakers because they were kids. I've been sitting at the local paper sitting around at Christmas with my old man and my uncle David. I think we need to to get this team to go. But if they lose they could lose that game on in in the last week of the season we can see Marty Schottenheimer drop in that game and then the steelers Let's do the. AFC tied three three teams vying for basically two spots there really three plus because the Texans could conceivably probably fall back. They are more or less. You know there. There's a path by which they could find themselves out but if they knock off Tampa which which is now look what happened to the colts there in the first half and this is a bad absence for for the bucks. I I think that So let's assume they but they have one game better than the titans in terms of conference record and that could be a prominent fat and they will play and they play one another twice. Okay gave it to me. It's the Tennessee. Titans it's the buffalo bills. It's the Pittsburgh steelers to wildcard slots and maybe a division title offer. The titans also in play who gets who gets the five and six so this is what the Texans fall back right. Titans jump up to the Ah to the foresees so I what I like. Is that the Texans. The Titans and the bills are all in. There's your four or five six and you're going to have that kind of talk and you're going to have. What did the tax and the titans play three times in four weeks? I like that four weeks. Those two look. It's been a great story. The defense has been great but they got to take on the bills and ravens. While here's the thing for the first of all so you're what will pick that game so you don't have to reveal that but I guess I can pick up what you're laying down about the Sunday night football game in Heinz field with the bills. Come into Pittsburgh the titans. With Derrick Henry Above Hammy and that is age factor. You're talking about Jenga I I am. I am removed him from that doing the medical. I don't know if we look if it comes Sunday. And they gotta take them the Texans without their can react taking the tax is obviously he's he is the centerpiece of that team. He is what separates them. I mentioned this earlier on power. Rankings when we were talking about it so I'll mention it again it reminds me of Stanford upon the arrival of Jim Harbaugh with toby. Gerhart when everyone in the PAC twelve with slinging it around. And then all of a sudden you get the Stanford and you get credit card alignment and you get six offensive Lineman in three tight ends and Toby Gerhart running it down your throat. And you're like wait a minute we. We can't practice this. We haven't seen this all year next thing. You know you look up and you're down thirty five to fourteen and Toby Gerhart got two hundred ninety yards and three touchdowns. That's what the titans are. It's IT's power run. It is a six foot two hundred forty pound with freaking seven foot wide Wingspan Derrick. Henry coming at you get five yards after contact. You can't practice it. You're not ready for it and I just think it's such a wild card and you have a defense that's now connected the you know. No it wasn't connected earlier in the season the secondary in the front and that was something I stole from Dj and he had mentioned it but we mentioned it. And I was watching it in that game. You could see it. It's like it's just not something wonky about this defense and now it's working now. They're they're instinct and I. I like that team. I love that this is one of the great things I make a long bit of. You're right though. Linus China's scrimmage on both sides but just heightened it's one and this is what we talked about with Mason Rudolph. I said it's that beat slow. He is a beat slow and that's why he won't be good because you can't can't afford to do that in the NFL. Mario beat slow. And you see the difference between that beat slow in that be quicker with Tannehill and how effective team is I could could not be and I might be wildly wrong. They could lose their their final. Three they're flawed team but when you walk on the field it's just the whole win the game when you get off the bus when you walk on the field and you see the titans and you see Brown and you see Corey Davis and you see Derrick Henry and Tannahill is no tiny dude. You're just like my God. These guys guys are huge and it does not surprise that performance by AG. Lebron's not surprise me at all. I'm with you completely. That was the undercover aspect. Act of this team. That was ready to go the size of that die. We're watching it watching the show. He is giant. We set it at the draft last spring. He's he looks like Anquan John Bolton and it was weird that he kind of that it was owed I guess to the decay metcalf right because he was standing next to bind. Look at this size of that guy. Run away from terrible El Beit but my Gosh Corey Davis by the way six foot four. Yup the past catchers catchers. Yeah I I like the team quite a bit too. But they have clearly the most rugged path left Saints Texans twice and then the saints come in Week Sixteen Ecksteen come into Nashville so you think that too in one is what they're going to be out of those last three because that's low need to be. I won't be surprised to go. Three zero three. And and look at at the Saints Down Sheldon rankings. Now Dow Marcus Davenport great game against the forty niners. No question in the Dome you know it's not like Nashville is Lambeau or Buffalo. Oh it's not going to be a sheet of of ice but it's still gets cold enough. I think it maybe interest changes the complexion of the game. Where let's just say there is some inclement the weather and you got to run it a little bit more than throw it now who you back and I mean I love Camaro in love with the saints are able to do Michael? Tommy you know a complaint name soup here but I think the the idea that you just hand that game to the saints is presumptuous and I I just don't think that's I don't think it's that easy of a game and we'll get to the pick of the Texans go into Nashville the the question that will have to answer. There is a big one Texans. It'd be one thing you is the bills. That's the big one. I got the Patriots I I suppose I suppose they'll beat the jets. They'll get to ten. Well that's no. That would get him the right now. They said at eight and five. So what was that right. Yeah they're eight and five so they beat the jets week. Seventeen right. What they're looking for is the Ravens Ravens to be so good the keep on winning that week seventeen doesn't matter to them and it's rg three or trace mcsorley for Pittsburgh to get into the postseason so season so you're saying though there at nine the bills are at nine? Am I wrong. No the bills are yes. I'm sorry yeah yeah. Yeah I'm saying the bills are at nine. I'm I'm trying to give them that wildcard. I'm asking you if you're going to give it to me. Are you going to give me the bills win. One of the wildcards guaranteed with at least ten wins. I think what listen I want the steelers to get in there. I think it would be a lot of fun as the steelers Fan. I also would love to see the bills Wayne in Pittsburgh and then go to Foxborough and beat that team. Oh and win the division. And I'm not sure how that tiebreaker works out. Because then they would be the head it would be vision record. I think the Patriots get it but the desert to two of their four losses within be out of actually all three of their four. We're lost would be out of the division. Have the bills dropped to the jets or to the dolphins though they have not themselves right so I guess it would be conference record to then you gotta go conference sued. I mean let's not spaghetti. Can you do that. We'll move on. Let's move on from this nonsense. Wait you can't send a fresh takes. Did we pick there was a little south. Pick why I think the bill. Bill's Titans Texans you go. I go that the tax. Well the Texans the thing that they have going for him if the Titans beat them twice I think Derrick Henry Hamstring is not a small matter. No I'm I'm operating under the assumption that he's okay and it's going to be chilly as you say that's not a good recipe for I. The offense tannehill being great but his pick three teams. My three for the four five and six are the titans the bills and the Texans your three for the four five and six are. I'M GONNA go. Oh I think the Texans get him once. I think they split with them the big question. What the Texans which Texans is it is it? What is going to play out over the next next three weeks? The ones that hammered the Patriots two weeks ago or or the one that drew lock in the broncos destroyed. I think that I'm going to ascribe that one too new. They're taking their foot off the gas. We got the Patriots and then we got to play the titans. We are a lot of big games here. Thank goodness we get a home game against the broncos in between there. They took their eye off the ball. That's my that's my prediction there. I think the Broncos are pretty good and drew lock is man that is impressive watching that arm and what he's able to do he. Somebody his probably submitted this already. But I I've said it. I said it when we were out there because he was his debut debut against the chargers when we were in Denver not only does he look like Jay Cutler but watch the way he takes the snap and he bounces. He looks like Jay Cutler. Like if you were to put the number six on his back and just watch him bounce around you would soon. He's got the giant arm now. I've heard he doesn't have. He is a much better matter personality than Cutler that he is much more like elway and they hold their tongue when they say that in Denver but in talking to a couple of the people that have been around the team for a long time when I was out they just said the way he carries himself his cocksure attitude. It's not it's not nasty. It's not demeaning. Cutler's was to some degree to others. It's very reminiscent of elway's Agley and and that defense is still good. Kareem Jackson's one of the best safety in the league. He you will bust your mouth when you hit that image twenty twenty. I'm in already the gathering storm. The raiders are going to be better in Vegas Air. Whose whose quarterback in the raiders in Vegas? I don't know that one yet come on Marcus. Mariota Jameis Winston. Listen I know WHO'S NOT GONNA be Bill Bill Barnwell of ESPN agrees with DAMASEC. Apparently he thinks it's going to be the most active. QB MARKET IN NFL history with starting Qb so all right though a sense. You're not allowed to have that position and unsatisfying. You lost a finger from that position a year ago. So you can't you. Can't you can reestablish published that. It's your position we took two of. Its like increase concert right now. Yeah anyhow alright thus ends the the least satisfying fresh takes and you never gave us your fresh take dead. I don't go taxes are GonNA win the division. The titans will get in fine if it makes you happy within the bills. Don't get in steelers. The bills are GONNA get in. So let's just say now the titans come on. Forget the tight ehlers. It'll be onto the steelers our after show before we get to the red challenge flag picks a couple of small matters here. We haven't done in a few weeks and and That's time this is a part for the record of the Eddie Spaghetti W. F. A. N. Audition for New York City to fill Mike Francesa's assesses legendary shoes Eddie Spaghetti. It's time for a new edition of the game show called use your noodle so to get and canoed. We got the whole kid. Thank Budo so the questions they may be. You have to do all right guy so way to cure the shaw here. He is everybody Bob. Barker early it was up take the baton. That's right guys here. I got today's episode of use. Your noodle agree horn. We can't hear your jazz one off. You're watching on Youtube Sube All right so I I like this one. I'm afraid that you guys are not for some reason pin on you've been a fan of race in a way to sell it but why did oh you do one that you would think that we would like that. I think is what is potentially be really fun. Go ahead so this one is since the famous nine hundred eighty-three quarterback draft after name every quarterback counting that draft taken in the first round. So Oh my goodness we're going to be here for the U.. Enough options here. If you want to go so we got money this is going to double up. It doesn't count just say doubled up someone. Keep track because how many names sat gout Andrew Luck. Rg Three he li- Manning Ben Rothlisberger Peyton manning fill rivers since eighty three. Since yeah counting this is GonNa take forever Rick Maier this is GonNa take. AP Laws it's GonNa take too long on holborn. You got to slip up. Can I just slip up on purpose. Well Alex Alex Smith Ryan Tannehill. Aaron Rodgers Jake Jake Locker. I'm not going to slip. Aw there too many. That's the problem. That's actions Christian. Ponder cade mcnall Cam Newton Dante culpepper. Ver- Wade's Baker Mayfield. Achilles Smith. Josh Rosen Kyla. Murray Sam Darnold Mark Sanchez Lamar. Mark Jackson met liner. Josh Allens Right as possible. What are we doing? The journey do Ryan Tannehill. I don't answer that because we've already said forty. Go ahead Even car o Mitchell trubisky Paxton Lynch Patrick Mahomes Michael. Vick the Shawn Watson. We don't need how we leave. You know what I'm going to throw this out there and if it's wrong it'll be over. Its right. Victory is mine. I think it's wrong but I'm still going there. Jim Drunken Miller. I think he's top a second. I think he was top a second. I think you know you're right. San Francisco burst rob a drunken Miller. I'm GONNA go Johnny Football Speaking of. Oh yeah there go Blaine Gabbert dwayne Wayne Haskins Blake Bortles. I'm legitimately now. The crossroads emotionally and otherwise Mark Sanchez. I was already said it. Yeah all right buzz me. That's it already said Ken Hill. I said we'RE NOT GONNA be able to keep track. That's that's fun all right. That's it boy. We're not respond though I mean it's it's just it's just they're so mad. I'm sure there's another fifty on their good job of identifying which teams are going to get into the postseason and not that was A. That was a poor effort by us on. Use Your noodle. Let's try and salvage something before the let's do this real quick. This is for the this is for the title. This is the hey next next. One makes a shot winds up with a win. Invite you for the review of the panel submit the worst the worst first round. Pick at a quarter of a quarterback by any team. I have a good answer do I yeah go ahead. My answer got Christian. Ponder jamarcus Russell. I'll give you there. We go okay. Now let's see if we can get the show on track about thirty thirty minutes plus in before we make the big week. Fifteen picks here it's time for Spaghetti's role in calls on. Wfan Matt Money Smith. You are the caller today. What's your name and let's go ben in a bronx? Okay never ever. Staten Island caller from the hometown. I'll be stand from status from Stanton island all right got time for some calls here. All right we got stint from my hometown. Sound San what's going on. I don't give a damn what your hometown. Why not? What's wrong with Ireland? That was born here. I've been trying to get out of here my whole life. I work at a dead end job. And I'm calling you to distract me for the moment all right. So you're paying how the Hell Am August afford to go to a Yankees game after handed out three hundred and fifty million dollars Eric. Oh what a joke saying. You want to go to games without Caracol. You WanNa be plant. You want to see your guys. Is Betting Against Garrett Cole. That's that's not what I want. I want affordable tickets for a family of four three hundred forty five million dollars you can make. Don't even play every day plays every fifth day. What the hell sand? Listen take you and your family of four go out in the bleachers. Hang out with the creatures there. You've got plenty concessions. It's fun you can move around which it does cost Jeez and now Garrett Cole by the way tell me this how does a guy who only plays every fifth day make that amount of money and make the the Yankees better. When you're that good neat as the as and the player especially with their injuries last year most players on the injured list so now this year you have an extra starter you have severino as the two most teams don't don't have that luxury it makes total sense Severino to? He's a three at best now. There's no shot. Drop the call all right. Thanks Dan from the hometown. This is I'm vic from Jamaica from drag Queens Spaghetti. Listen what I should be a woman again. I like it better when one. Okay let me Let me be Linda from Jamaica. Linda from Dreyer Queenslander. What's going on? Hey Spaghetti giant is gonNA keep by. I Pat Shurmur. Could they get. WHO's going to be out there in twenty twenty today could do better with Lindsay? You got your pen and paper here right. These names down number one Ron Rivera era a really good relationship with the Gilman Number two I'd say Matt Rule in the Super Bowl what he did but you know what he's right. Now it's hard to find ten and better coaches across the NFL. Then Ron Rivera and I'll say this from the college ranks Matt Rule. I know I lost two big games Oklahoma but the way he rebuilt that that Baylor program after the tragedy that took place there. He's the guy that can come back and let it be known. He was under Tom. Coughlin staff years back with the giants. Some familiarity there. Giants tragedy are more Dr Lori in Montclair Montclair Maury Montclair. What's IT'S UP MONTCLAIR NEW JERSEY? That's right Jersey forever jerk got something for you. They get a refund on my jets tickets but his bum calling in chicken going on bowling with his buddies. What is this crap? That's going on from the jets this mistakes from top down more on with that one. It's it's a shame to call in sick and then to go out bowling and not only describe aware orange leather pants so everyone can see you and then tweet about it today make fun of it. You know why they brought in this guy in to change the offense. He hasn't done a single thing. I think it's one and done for La Belle agree with that. We're going to be in two thousand twenty. I don't know but I know that it's time for the week. Fifteen red challenge flag picks red challenge flag. I think everybody behind table has been lacklustre. They were great a few more weeks. I'd like you to ramp your game up here. It's the playoffs playoffs or drawing nigh. Our Money Smith. We've been talking about it already. The Houston Texans. It's the Tennessee. Titans interesting interesting both with Houston roots. Of course the Houston oilers became the Tennessee. Oilers for one year Eh Tennessee oilers and the oilers number whatever. Yeah that was a weird year when they were the oilers that They changed that misnomer. which which would've if they would have stuck with up there with or down there with the UTAH? What a shame that they didn't in because now Nashville has become a destination city eighty? I mean it is. It's got to be. I would assume terms of growth the number one growth tourist destination in the states over the last ten years that they didn't embrace the local culture. Sure come up with a better name as instead of one. That has no connection to the city of Nashville. Yeah they disliked out. Hit your ear Tennessee for the yeah but right right in hindsight do something outside the box much like the Golden State Warriors or something like that or the New England patriots could have embraced the music city Monica. Now I would think that something Nashville. What would you think it would be? Put me on the spot here. The Nash Ville my way men. Own Nice there you go see you got it. What do you think? I'm with you national highwaymen. I'll take it or the or the hot chicken no. I wouldn't do the hot chicken although I am not as capanna hot chicken is I am the other barbecue fare. Behavior noticed that hot as I just want to unite. But it's replaced everything in Los Angeles is at least was pokey this and that a year and a half ago. Now every other block is a hot chick. Join Opening. Zachary's what's that I said who needs it with Zach's B.'s. There you go get A. You're a good company man a great shell if there ever was one. What do you think is the next? Look into your crystal Christobal Matt. Money Smith Culinary expert. What is the next regional foods stuff to make it big nationally hot chicken? They went from Pokey pokey start. Hawaii I don't know I mean I'm surprised. The whole mix played thing never took off from Hawaii. You know Kinda got a little a little bit of a start maybe fifteen years ago and then those Hawaiian whatever. They were the Hawaiian owner grills or something like that that they tried to take off never caught on. I like a nice mix plate though they don't they don't do enough with everybody. I think most places now most metropolises at least have a good Kosher Deli not enough of the Italian Elian Dali and I have a real good one by us Down down in the Seal beach area. They're real good one on main street. Yeah there is a difference when you get to a good attack where they got a slice. It's the meat and I know Jersey. Mike's does that. They slice the meat right in front of you but you know you got to get him out the difference Salamis. They got and what they're going to put that. That's what I'm talking I want. I want a joint where you're doing it wrong if you go in there because every Italian meet ends with. But if you know what you're doing you drop that vow you you know. Like Gimme a bruce. You know well. That's an east coast thing right. You Know Eddie Spaghetti is good at that right. Zoot Gobble Gobble Gobble Goo you. You know the good Salaam exactly now just getting hungry. I could use a good wardell doughnut here last week. That was delicious. We're waiting areas. Deeds thieves by Eddie Spaghetti by the way he added video various deeds by that man. He did see me later that day. Imagining embarrassed but he ultimately opted off. Well that's that's because he's a great guy them beat watching him into his mouth with glaze flakes flakes breaking. I'm retreated a lot and I think Jane Slater retweeted it which like set it off as over like eleven or twelve thousand views. On last night I saw awesome happening with her twitter account. These days I think so but on news I think hang all right. Don't hang was fitbit. Everybody get a burner fit bit all right here. We Go Texans at that. It's one of the best videos. I've seen hit twitter lane. KIFFIN sold the bay. Yes how did you vote. I watch the language we tied after. This locals are trying to help out their head coach their lanes. They're all right here we go. It's the Texans. It's the titans in Nashville Nashville Tennessee. It's a big one for both these teams Matt Money Smith. I'll throw it for fun guy. I think that I wish Eric Henry all the best in terms of his house. We met with him. That's good projection. If you think he's not right. They're not winning that game. Wow there's something wonky going. On with that Hammy go in. And then he and then he tweaks exit during the game and now several days later and he saying the right things about that legs going to have to be half the way off for me not right get out on the field But you know it's a weird calculation that variables going to have to make at some point during this game. You would think if he if he's hobbled at all he he's not going at one hundred percent. Dion Lewis is a fine backup saints coming in. Then you still have to go to Texas and you to play the Texans in in week seventeen. I'm GonNa say that the Shawn Watson that we are being by everybody saying and you're not alone in this. I think most people say well the titans are the better team right now. Based on what we saw the Texans do against those broncos. I think that they took their foot off the gas. That's why they didn't look great in week. Fourteen eighteen. I think deshaun Watson and company Shawn Watson still an every candidate. Lamar Jackson is GonNa get it. But if the Shawn Watson Shawn Watson Over these last three weeks He can steal the division. He's the better quarterback ultimately. What do we always talk about in close games up? Take the shaw with the titans have done lately. They haven't identity They play solid football on both sides. You know like I said good front especially interior front so you know maybe pressure straight up the middle with Simmons and Dr Two. Yeah but you're also giral Casey but the but the you know if they are cannery is right and ready to go and I'm screaming lately wrong about all that they should be able to bang away all day long. Give Him twenty five thirty carries but again are you go. Is that going to be your game plan. We don't know how Hammy is. We got a feed this guy. It's a weird weird math when you still have two more weeks and those games will still matter for something even if you lose this one you can still get in the playoffs. It's interesting decision that variable and company. You'RE GONNA have to make moving on then. It's the rams at the cowboys we saw this game in the playoffs. OPS last year we saw it in the seventy several times. The upstart rams taken on America's team. Back then a lot of iconic matchups between these these two teams and here comes another one ram scratching inclined to get in cowboys tracking towards the playoffs in that bum. NFC East Matt Money Smith. Myth you choose. I want to throw all right rams cowboys I choose the Dallas Cowboys. That's right just last week. You are you throw it. Go ahead Matt money. I was the only one that took the bears last week. And or the bills. And what did I say. I said they haven't been a good team. The bills are a good team. The bill or the bears the bears. Who Was it that beat him last week? Why Am I? It wasn't it was the bears. The bears are a good team name. Are they a great team. No but they're a good team and the cowboys have not even be a good team this year so until they do that I will take every good team to beat the cowboys Asia. The rams are a good team. They agreed myth. Makes you say that the rams are good because in week fourteen they beat the Seahawks who who count is a good team and last week you scoffed at the ranch just gotta you said something to the addict of what why would you the Rams uh-huh over there have you seen the way the seahawks are playing completely agree. I said that I said that I own that. But you said the same thing about the cowboys against the bears and I look it. It's it's stupid that try to pretend like we know exactly what's going to happen when you have this much talent on the field. I rams in the cowboys I I just said. I haven't seen them beat anyone. Good yet for the rams yeah they look like crud they beat the heck out of the cardinals but the good teams they had faced ran rush shot over him. Gough had been terrible and again when you have that. We're watching on the screen. If you're watching on Youtube Ninety nine. That was the key to that game. You you know the fact that he just wrecked Russell Wilson. That offense also didn't help the have Rashad Penny go out early but what I'm getting at is just show to me cowboys. You knock doc off the rams. I'll pick you the rest of the way but until you do it I'm not. I think the cowboys stop the bleeding at long last. I think this is the best team in in that bum. Division agent and I think they will eliminate wait so wait now I have to go back because if I'm right that the cowboys win this game then I have to amend are fresh takes Baker who gets into the playoffs with the virus still probably do get in all right. Let's get to then the next game. It's your AFC Sunday night night football. It's a dandy to provincial football towns. A lot of fun going on my choosing or is Eddie. They want Spaghetti to choose this one. Let's let us forget. He chooses one dot com company. Playing host to Josh Allens bills also Eddie Spaghetti. Well as much as you think the steelers are the best story best feel-good story NFL. And I would would like to see dodgers continue this run and for your sake to win. I just think Josh Allen is going to come to town and get the job done. The bills are kind of rolling right. Now they're kind of rolling going to throw it. You'RE GONNA eat it spaghetti. I mean I am I am. Yeah I like I know Joshua Terrible Week but you know tough game and they were still. It still had a pretty solid. Throw John Brown at the end of the game to get the win. He didn't come together but We've seen him play games. He is I think for the most part over the last six seven. Pretty darn good especially what we're watching right now using his legs and it's I love the duck hodges story I mean they're great stories stories right but much like we saw with Gardner Shoe. Sooner or later you know at The clock strikes midnight. I you know I agree with that. You know Atlanta Dunkin. I absolutely believe that. NFL defensive coordinators will eventually solve backup level talents. Like the guys you mentioned. And then including dodges dodge is not pushing the ball very much. He's taken a couple of shots down field and yes. They don't have a lot first of all. We're looking being at a pro level. Throw that he made against the cardinals on Sunday. The ball landed at his feet. He scooped it up and threw a beauty and the awareness is to keep his eyes downfield with the game more or less on the line and make a big third down conversion against the cardinals. Obviously the cardinals defense is atrocious. The bills might be when it's all said and done the best one in all the NFL. The steelers defense is no slouch the different areas. A couple of things. One they get. We don't know yet for sure. But but if Juju is back all of a sudden now the Andre Johnson and James Washington are not your primary targets and with with what they've revealed in the last month Together I think they suddenly are not completely bereft of any. NFL level talent. The steelers does Asian Asian. That how are they GONNA win anything. They can't score points. But if they've judy and they have James Connor or and now we're getting closer to a place where it's not a complete garbage offense offense and in the meantime. The Bills Josh Allen has been very good and this side Lamar Jackson. I don't think there's a QB from the two thousand eighteen class. I'd rather have over the next next half dozen years. I don't think they Josh Allen. I like where he's tracking. But you saw what the Ravens did to that offensive line. It's a good offensive line. A fine offensive line line from what the experts tell me in buffalo two thousand eighteen quarterback rankings bite. I Dunno Lamar Jackson Josh Allen. You know putting salmon there then Sam then Van Bake by the way. How about Josh Rosen? The Patriots Twenty Twenty. That's a good story. Tom Brady ain't going to be. It's going to be steady. I think I think So first of all now. You're plugging in some legitimate players under the steelers into the steelers offense and the bills. Bill's got got by the Ravens. Pass rush the steelers past Russia's far superior to what Baltimore brings if you heat up I mean. Listen I know people say they're going to say the while who their feast and on teams like the cardinals they also happened though. Beaten some some other teams and it really doesn't matter when you have. TJ J. Watt and Bud DuPrey and Cam Hayward J von Hargrave and there's an artery. That's that's just a nightmare to deal. It really is and you know you hear this all the time time. Why did the Eagles beat the Patriots and that Super Bowl a couple of years ago because they could get to brady without having the blitz? They did not have to devote an extra after a pass rusher to get into Brady. I don't think the steelers against anybody need to do that. They can drop eight. And that is bad. News it was for Cuyler Murray and it will be bad news for Josh Allen. If they have eight guys back there with the plane totally wear their points. Come from over the course of sixty minutes. I'm not sure I don't think you can. Maybe try Devon a single terry and makes them. Hey that way you know the idea. How the steelers going to score points are the bill's going to score points points? I think that's three two so let's go through. Let's go through the steelers last five seventeen twelve twenty one seven sixteen ten thirteen twenty three seventeen. They're all low scoring games. They're all one score games for the most part and it comes down to which which team has that final possession that one possession that ends up going one for that extra three points of that extra seven. I'm not making it. It's convenient comparison to make just because they're both rookies this year. They're both either late round. Pick or undrafted free agent but like I said I think the it's very reminiscent of men's shoe where you get a game or two and you're like but this conscious okay. Okay all right and then the shine kind of wears off a little bit. You remember it now. The difference of course is the. jags are terrible. Team in the steelers defense is exceptional channel. So like you said it's going to be hard to come by points but if you're going to throw out you know the whole name soup thing you've got great players on the bills roles white edmonds there. Those points are not going to be easy to come by your desk. That team tight game. Yup I think that's exactly actually right. I hope it's cold. I hope Buffalo Bills Fans make the journey. And what day is shaping up to be a special season for them despite the stumble against the Ravens. I hope Sunday night or right. Yep this team makes hey and I hope both towns enjoy this one. It's a lot of fun to have teams in the playoff. Mix this late steelers fans or familiar failure with that feeling bills fans not as much. Yeah it's I you know I. I'd be surprised if either team puts up you know mid twenties puts up twenty four. There's no evidence to suggest either. No neither team allows big plays against them. Not since MINGKA's arrived at Pittsburgh is either team really got smoked over the top. So yeah it's GonNa be scratching claw the way and the key thing the circle is people always talk about turnovers and it's a little lame. Obviously if you turn the other team over a lot you're more likely to win. But but the steelers are seven out of their last eight. The one game they force no turnovers against the BROWNS IN CLEVELAND. They lost that one every other day. Multiple turnovers forced and Josh Allen. The the way he sprays the ball around the way that pass rush doesn't just get to the QB the way. They are constantly swiping at the ball. Josh Allen Strip sacked a week ago by Baltimore they do that. That's the difference in the game for you and one more small thing as I say who cares if the steelers fans are accustomed to it would the steelers themselves with Mike Tomlin lot of big stage games for them. Primetime lights and everything bills not as much. I don't know how that's going to affect Sean. McDermott bunch but but I do know how the steelers react in that situation so that is perhaps a small edge and one last thing the steelers are going in their all black uniforms in which they are five and over the last is three. Why didn't you lead with that? If I had known that I would have changed. And let's wrapping up with the little too hyped. In my opinion I know. It's the most storied rivalry kind of the longest rivalry. steelers the bears. And the packers. Because you're in your steeler history and you can't argue with the best rivalry it's the steelers and the rave 'cause they're good okay. So what two hundred matchup. Let them add had the most China and Jiffy second most. Why are you gotTa crap all over the gate? 'cause I'm excited for Seahawks niners that's true it's it's you feeling diminished by the history of this rivalry is a steeler guy the steelers and browns play off or either celebrate. All this one's Dandy. I wonder if game between these two Aaron Rodgers is that right number two hundred hundred okay. That's fun the air. The dodgers past rainbow Cobb on the last possession regular-season possession. What was that a couple years ago years ago? They played obviously twenty eleven. MCA picks up picks off. Caleb Haney Lot of big memories here the Fridge Bridge scoring his first touchdown against those football other magic man dickey see. That would have been a good. I use your noodle Spaghetti. That would have been a good name all the QB's that you can who have started a game in the packers bears rival. That would have been good. Lynn dickey would have been taken us. Awhile though Punky QB did he ever played the packers. who started for both teams? Yes exactly and you name for both teams. Yeah I was GonNa say Mike Tomczak. That's exactly why I was about to say did right now. He wouldn't know Tom Zach wouldn't have ever started a game I don't think for the packers. He did yeah mark. Brady radio over there Big Time he had to have because as soon as you said both immediately my mind went comsec so he had to have and Jimmy. Mack didn't know he never would've started for that team by the Liser Guy. Yeah He was on the package image. But I don't remember him starting go to Super Bowl Ring Brett farve backup all right here. We go here now. Bears Packers Matt Money Smith. Aw choose packers all right. Well ended anticlimactic. I'm with you on the packers Eddie Spaghetti's getting eat the flag lag as well I I think it will be closer than people think you know. The the offense is look a lot better there. We go what we got. One one coming from the From the desk okay. Come on in here Sarah. Let's go but I did. I picked the packers. Would it mean no dotted. Nope there is more like taking calls in La. How many Kobes the best? Why do you think that because he does because he's the best? Yeah Nope Nope nope. Why look I think it's GonNa be closer than people think? I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers been holding the ball to muchly. We had been ugly. I think this is trending toward a nasty finished. His career where he's playing I. I made the comparison earlier. I said speaking of Kobe. It reminds me of Kobe. Twilight with the Lakers. where it's all hero ball? He's just holding onto that thing trying to take that deep shod either here. Oh Look Aaron. Rodgers is the greatest. It is quarterback ever stopped the arm talent. Nobody can make those throws but Roger. Well yeah because no quarterbacks holding onto the ball that long to try to get those rows developed to take those shots shots they're just getting the ball out and moving the chains so that could certainly get after that could bite him with this bears pass rush especially if he comes back. I know he was close last week so I was tempted to take the bears. I just don't trust Mitch in this environment. I completely hear Ya. What what you're saying? I mean they barely survived the scans and Lambeau one week ago but again I'm tempted what you're taking the pack. I'm begging the pack can. Here's why it took boys. I took the reason that you don't believe in the packers right now is based on what you saw last week and the bears have. I have some based on what I saw against the chargers against the forty niners last week that they don't look great they don't look like a run. I agree with you that there can in three. And they're sitting in that to spot right now and yet you feel underwhelmed by them but this is not with all due respect to fill rivers you know I love the old man rivers and the chargers but this is not that dynamic the weak link of the packers in two thousand nineteen is not Aaron Rodgers properly. He he's not as good and I do by whereas I don't think Phil River suddenly emerged as as you know even twenty eighteen. Forget the twenty ten and Phil Rivers. I think eh Rogers. If if the liability your team is Aaron Rodgers. Hasn't been as good as he's being over the last decade or so I'll. I'll take that shot. I don't mind that Aaron Jones. He's terrible. I'm just saying I think it's I think sometimes is to their detriment while you know what Khalil Mack. What what else take the bears? I'm changing my dad comes in Chicago Zone Matt Money Smith. That's not my name. That's the end of the show. If your name's not terror what is it you said. Sarah convinced me. I was going packers till they're convinced me. I'll and she said I'll name terra. Hey Spaghetti put put on the Mike if you can because I want to ask you a question I will change dange my pick to the bears and if I can't I changed the way we have a different name. I believe we have picked opposite. And all of these. You Texans you took the cowboys the steelers and you take the hair. You name three bears running backs that are not currently on the roster one or two not name Walter break but it's over I can't why would you have a lot of faith man. Yeah I'm good with that Neil Anderson. Oh see now even further humiliation. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA start naming courtesy ray-ban Harris. I'm vain money news. The show off you know love bears Matsui Okay we are opposite on every absolutely love it. This is going to be exciting flag. Pick great stat. Let's wrap it up here. I promise money that we would get done in forty five minutes. We went Sixty to look forward to To See Money Smith on the other side at least fifteen enjoy fifteen. I hope your team wins. Unless they're playing my teams then until next week four spaghetti everybody behind the table including Sarah the anterior and more gray and Matt Money Smith. Thanks so much. Football fans and taxis been been slice of Heaven.

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141: The National Bowling League  With Dr. Jake Schmidt

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141: The National Bowling League With Dr. Jake Schmidt

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Our little exploration each and every week into what used to be in professional sports and We we strive for the enigmatic on this little show and I think we have outdone ourselves ourselves this weekend I urge you to to listen carefully and and learn Enjoy with me in our little exploration this this week into the world of bowling. Yes I said the world of bowling and our our journey into the ill-fated very short lived but very fascinating and intriguing story of the National Bowling League. Yes the National Bowling League. There was such thing in one thousand nine hundred sixty one. Where as you heard in that little setup their bowling on television was all the rage it was it was all over television? And and frankly if you're in a story worrying of television and media in this country Back from the earliest days when television was starting to truly get commercialized in the late. Nineteen forties early nineteen fifties bowling thing along with professional wrestling. Probably the two biggest mainstays. I guess of early television programming on your black and white set as it got bigger and bigger sure Over the years at bowling was Fascinating -Ly Easy Sport to televise. It was quite the sport of Of the every man it was certainly something that everybody felt that they could do and relate to and the fledgling television networks in early two or three of them at the time You young whippersnappers again. You mouth search up the WIKIPEDIA and sort of learn what television was like before streaming and all that kind of stuff sorta came about but bowling was very much something very central in a lot of programming on these TV networks and even local TV stations to that little clip. That you heard at the beginning was a nice piece of evidence. Evidence Circa one thousand nine hundred sixty one January ninth nineteen sixty one to be exact on the NBC television network at ten thirty eastern time. Yes that was chick hearn the soon to be Los Angeles Lakers and other sports Legend in Los Angeles with of course Milton Milton. Berle whose career arguably was Beginning to wane and you know this was actually A show that NBC. The Shuttled borough onto as they were trying to burn off. Frankly credits from there. I think it was a thirty year. Long somewhat. Lifetime time type contract that they had with burl they wanted to kind of you know. Use them up an interesting pairing there Milton Berle doing some shtick professional professional bowlers. These are real pros the beginnings of Of what will talk about in our conversation this week with our guest our very special guest Dr Jake Schmidt Schmidt he's the dean of bowling historians out there. He's he's truly store in With a PhD from the The Fine Institution Institution Notice University University of Chicago where yours truly got his MBA. But I digress. Milton Berle back to our little story. Here did a little stick there and and and and basically hosted this this weekly show where the top a bowlers in in and around this thing called the Pro Bowlers Association Association. Kind of battled it out on on live television for some gigantic purses and and there were a number of these shows Prime time and on weekends as well we'll get into sort of what transpired in nineteen sixty one because not only were shows like this on the air national television in prime time but you also had the beginnings of what we now know. Today is the pro bowlers tour and the Pro Bowlers Association. And it's Ultimate I guess decision and by nineteen sixty two or so to kind of solidify that as the premier way to have pro bowlers featured and and feted and and on television But is against this backdrop where our little story kind of begins in nineteen sixty one and it starts a little bit earlier than that. We hint at that with Dr Jake and a few minutes. When the pro bowlers tour was not necessarily guaranteed to be the format? No there were a bunch of people bowl in the in pro bowling circles that envisioned a true team league with cities competing with each other as as frankly frankly most bowling competitions at that time and even today are constructed there's teams teams playing each other not individuals which is what the tour swore sort of model is. But that's what we're GONNA get into today with this thing called the National Bowling League with our guest Dr Jake Schmidt and I think you're gonNA find it really intriguing intriguing. I this is a fascinating topic to me. I you know. I bowled about as much as any other average person out there in out there in the world but You know to to know that there was actually a league that almost became frankly. The manner by which pro bowling and the television presentation of such would have a sort of come into modern day but no the tour is what what ultimately became sort of format but we delve deeply into this asterisk asterisk known as the National Bowling League. And you'll see the reasons why it was appealing to people Wyatt ultimately didn't work and the role of television. And all that kind of stuff and lots lots more. If you'RE NOT GONNA bowling interests you at all. It doesn't matter you're gonNA find the show to be fascinating and again. Our conversation Mercedes with Dr Jake Dr Jake Schmidt coming up in. Just a couple of moments I virtually guarantee that you will find this to be fascinating as I did. Did before we get there though I wanNA say hello and welcome to our friends at hellofresh. Yes hellofresh. 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Let's start from the start right so give our audience some background as to who you are and what your shall we say day job is and then how do we get into this. A I think frankly world class knowledge around the sport of bowling well First of all my name is John R Schmidt But in bowling circles they call me. Jr Schneider Jake Schmidt I I am a fifth generation Chicago. I've went to graduate school. I went to Well you'll university here for me. That's just a master's PhD from the Chicago and history. I try to various places everything from kindergarten through college mostly through the Chicago Public School system and I Retired from that and Nineteen eighty seven and along the way I The Bowler as kid. I was a good bowler but not a great bowler and I managed to make a decent amount of money bowling but fortunately generally I did not go up against too many people that were better than me. So that's why I worked my way through college and it was able to pay for my college through bowling and I've continued bowling Continue Bowling and a league now for seniors Go to the national tournament every year. I am fifty two of those and since nineteen ninety. I've been writing for Bowlers bowlers journal International and I do the historical com for them beside stab. I Right now a right foot Chicago history a wrote for the Tribune for welfare. WBZ My latest project is. I'm Have a book out. Called the hint. Chicago landmarks works and I'm WGN radio once a month Talking about some of the landmarks in Chicago but the bowling book I have which is a collection of my bowling stories aureus is called the bullying chronicles and their ninety minute stories from Blues Jones. In there or anything in the National Bowling League. So I'm happy to talk about the national bullied because people People can't imagine why there would be a national bowling league. I mean the whole idea of Atlantis today. Because what the National Bowling League was it was An inner city league five men teams and it was based on the Milo Milo Major League baseball and they played and purpose built stadiums and they weren't as six-month-long schedule. It seems ludicrous. Today when you think of something like that Bowling Competitive Edita. Bowling has not been doing well. But this is like nineteen sixty one and in nineteen sixty one. Bowling was booming For the past five years before they after yeah number bowling centers grown twenty five percent and Brunswick and aim at HOT STOCKS IN THE NEW YORK Exchange. And it'd be banquet athletic banquet. You always is that a bowler there and there were two statistics that I liked this site to show how popular bowling was in nineteen sixty one out of an adult population of one hundred and ten million Americans six point five million bowl and sanctioned leaf. That's one hundred seventeen men and women and Also nineteen sixty one bully named therm Gibson. One Seventy six thousand dollars rolling sixth straight strikes on Jackpot Bowling TV TV show and he made more money in four minutes and Mickey Mantle. Earn playing an entire season in the outfield so Nineteen sixty one. The idea of National Bowling League. What's not landed at all so the backup so Europe you're a historian by profession? So this actually makes you doubly triply qualified quite interesting for for this conversation live through it as a kid there. You go but second I think Y- You bring up some important points here right where you got to sort of put all of this in context because maybe a little bit into some a little bit more detail here about say the nineteen fifties or so. This is not just a recreational sport. The obvious set against the booming time relative to the world the war years prior right in the nineteen fifties but also television right. I mean Jackpot. Bowling was a kind of a take for television in its earliest days. It really event bowling was perfect for TV just resting was because it had a small arena that could focus on do one camera basically and it was easy to understand and these bowling shows Every major bowling city had a local local show and then they had syndicated series like a championship bowling Later on you at Jackpot Bowling which was this Which I mentioned which was a network show and actually sleep? The idea for a national bowling league might come from one of these Shows called Bowling which was in nineteen fifty-six their hook was they Got Eight bowlers is on and they call themselves the National League of Bowling and it was basically TV show. Would they be able is represented eight different cities from New York. I'm from Michiko Detroit L. A. and so on and they just bowl matches with each other and one guy one and then the next year then another TV show and they call it the American League bowling and they had ah against guys from different cities and they believe each other and that was that was the TV show and Along the way this Guy Leonard home. Oh who was the proprietor out in Los Angeles dot the idea. Well why don't we have a full-fledged a five-man Bowling League five five men team Bowling League just like just like the major leagues. There's everybody loves bowling point booming. So why don't we do this. And he was really the guy that was behind yes they really got. It started lender Homo. Well before before we get into Leonard Sort of story and that sort of origination of this say it's also you're mentioning television. You're mentioning it certainly accessible right to the average American sure sure sure yeah you watch bowling on TV and you know you roll the ball down. I mean there's the science behind it like anything else but it's basically you roll the ball on. You're not depends over you don't knock depends over is basically what is anybody can go out there and bowling you. Can you can get lucky you can throw the ball and you know and even Even the arena. So you can go to like face. Nielsen was a bowling Alley in Chicago. the north side of Chicago and hit eight lanes famous. TV show there and people used to come in just to bowl. Open play there. I mean you're a golfer. You're probably not gonNA shoot it Augusta Pasta. You probably not or. You'RE NOT GONNA shoot hoops at Boston Dr. You're not gonNA play the outfield and in Yankee stadium but hey you can go up to face Niessen and Chicago and and you can pull in the same. Allison Don Carter was bowling. Honor Joe Christopher or Joe Woman or any of these guys so so it appeal to people because accessible sport so given that then and given its You're mentioning. You mentioned wrestling right. Obviously that's probably one of the first sports that sort of truly took the television in its even even if it's in its infancy even late forties when it was still somewhat experimental. Bowling was probably almost on par. If you will L. with With with that in terms of the ease of of televising as well as as well as maybe beyond say wrestling accessible in terms of its hey even I can do that and literally. I could literally down the street or down the block. Oh sure sure and again The early desert television they would put the. TV's most of the early TV sets when bars and we're mostly guys watching it in bars and the TV sets are very small and if they had a baseball game and it was kind of hard to follow the action particularly TV sets up above the bar. High Up. But you've got a bowling match on you can see what's going on very easily. So like in the early fifties and even getting into the late fifties Bowling was very accessible to people particularly men. Yeah and that's and that's sort of sort of the base. I don't want to establish your because it's also Stands to reason right that as prize money starts to get sort of embedded into say some of these television showcases so to speak that the idea of professionalism professionalism right For bowlers who want to attempt a living at it for more shall we say bigger stakes and competitive prizes. The the rumblings around how to do something around a professional version of bowling and I think that's maybe sort of an interesting sort of a a thing to sort of put out there because this not not only was this national bowling league sort of just eating but also this thing called the pro bowlers association which we know today but but it sounds to me like it was almost sort of a bit of a competition amongst your bowling intelligencia beforehand The people that earned Money is bowlers. For instance a beer company would sponsor a bowling team in the city and like Budweiser sponsored. The team in Saint Louis listen also falstaff and in Chicago you had you know Meister Brown whenever Stroz in Detroit and the bowlers team would be paid a salary and they go around and he appearing exhibitions and promote the product. Okay so those were the first people to really kind of professional bowlers. But then in nineteen fifty eight he got the Elias. who was the promoter in Akron? Got An idea well. Bowling is booming. Why don't we Started Professional Bowlers. Turner a tour based based on individual play just like the Golfer Sam Okay and he was gonNA follow the model of the Professionals Offers Association. He managed to sign up. Some of all these Some of these bowlers and they nineteen fifty nine. They started the tournament and they had a few tournaments here and there and when they ask them. Bowling League comes along in nineteen sixty one. There's competition between this which one of these bottles is going to be. The future of competitive bowling. Is it going to be team. Play the way. It's always been or at. The elite level is going to be individual play and The question was who was going to get the TV contract because that's where the money was going to be coming from so it is almost seemed to be then sort of a battle for how to professionalize the sport not if it was going to be a pro level to it. Oh yeah because you see the thing is when the National Bowling League are was starting They naturally wanted to get the best name. Bowlers like Donald Carter and the guys with the budweisers Dick Weber ability to lose some of these other. People were the best bowlers today. But those guys had guaranteed contracts. Like for instance Carter Bowl with the budweisers team and he. He had a guaranteed contract from them for going on exhibitions plus Representative Brunswick the equipment manufacturer. You got money from them so even though the National Bowling League was offering the money. Hey he was kind of wary about it And so we're a lot of the other elite bowlers a matter of fact One of the teams often carved something like I think they're gonNA from forty forty thousand dollars and a couple of the gate and A A gold farm. I think it was Dallas. Team was going to offer them but he decided to stay with the budweisers. Yes so so. That's interesting so it seems to me we'll get to that story in a second. 'cause that's it's kind of kind of wild and maybe almost emblematic of this faded in short lived. NBL All but the my sense is that I guess cirque circa I don't know maybe it's nineteen fifty eight fifty nine or so is when his nineteen fifty nine when the first handful of pro. Tour's Kinda went out there and it's also seems to me like it was hand in hand with television which arguably in an in retrospect seems like it was a leg up. I guess before this idea of an actual league Kinda came about a couple of years later and maybe almost kind of cemented it as doomed to failure maybe that maybe the tour was the way to go because TV and certainly sponsors were already kind of circling around. Did this is the approach. The tour approach. Yeah and the the first of PBA term was fifty nine and it did three that you're in the next year they you did a few more but actually the first tournaments They would just have a bunch of guys would bowl and they both forty games or whatever it would be and the guys that had the highest pin totals At the at the end points. Actually but the guys who had is told the end well after a while when they got the TV contract They had some experience in bowling. Where you would get to the TV broadcast and one full of might be way ahead? Then there'd be no drama and the match on TV and people kind of tune out that this happened in nineteen sixty sixty one sixty one all star tournament which when they went on went on TV. The Guy The guy with he could've practically died and the approaching was still so far so far ahead he would've wanted to tournament so when the professional bowlers association comes along they come up with a step ladder. Series on TB To make them more or interesting the night before and Friday night the top five this is the turns out. our seeding in TV show and then the fifth-place this guy both of fourth-placed guy and the winter that both the third-place guy and then winter there was a second place guy and then the winter that both the guy who was the leader. So that way. 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We'll be back with today's exciting tournament on professional bowlers tour. Okay so nineteen fifty-nine then I it sounds to me like is somewhat out of a pivotal year because you've got sort of the early inklings of a a pro bowlers tour whether it's made with television sort of on the sidelines or potentially in the mix relatively quickly but I my understanding and based on your writing and and by the way all of the writings and not only in in in book form but the various articles and stuff. I am talking to the dean of this stuff so I I don't think he's GonNa be on the planet who knows more about sort of the history of bowling than Dr Jake so so so let me ask this question then. It feels to me based on what I've read from from your stuff. That fifty nine was also kind of time when the early seeds of perhaps apps this thing called the National Bowling League Kinda got started even though the league itself really kind of didn't launch until nineteen sixty one. Is that right. Yeah how put an ad in the In The Wall Street Journal I believe it was and he said he was looking for investors in a new and exciting Bowling Bowling Promotion and He had a fifty four page perspective and he called the meeting of people and They got together with the meeting and after the meeting presented this it was you know people are so it's great but it was kind of a little wary about putting down the money but then in January nineteen sixty always journal ran a long article cleanliness and Once of people in the Bowling Industries They started to take this seriously and they've got the ball rolling and after he called called another meeting in Chicago and then he got a bunch of people together and finally Initial cities and I think it was fourteen. Investors put down seven investors. Put Down Money and they put down five thousand each for National League franchises and so they were gonNA start off. They're gonNA have the people that put down the money where Chicago cargo in. La Dallas and Fort Worth separately San Antonio Omaha and Raleigh North Carolina and the hammer was elected two league presidents so now they had to go start organizing. This was in January nineteen six February nineteen sixty and they wanted to start in in September sixty one so now they go out convince more people to sign Overton Sullen so this speaks to just the craze around bowling. At this time I mean this this. This was didn't seem outlandish I guess. In retrospect certainly it does right but the idea of this is just another form factor. I guess of how to professionalize or give another angle for for folks aspiring to be professionals on a fairly regular basis to kind of to kind of play and compete against each other. It doesn't seem so crazy at all. Given the television ratings and and the popularity of the sport writ large in the United States time you talked to somebody I talked to a guy guy named Tony Lindemann. Who was one of the early? He's he's Passed away by now but he was one of the bowlers. A national bowling he was actually the captain and one of the teams and he said there was nothing like it. He loved the National Bowling League. So did the another guy in viewed as Lansky he was with the Detroit team. Love Nashua bully wish. It could have made a goal but it didn't it. Didn't they treat it. It said even when the League near the end of the season when they were cutting back and they were scrimping and saving just trying to get through the end of the season They were still treated royally they thought in it just wish it could affect continue this. But they couldn't do it they think not get the TV contracts turned out to be okay. Well let's talk about. Let her home will then and also this Guy Dick Charles Right. Who who became the commissioner? Maybe the the two stories of these guys maybe we'll help our audience better understand sort of maybe the formative months around getting some kind of structure around now that You know a number of folks are willing to pony only up five grand for for franchise and kind of at least put some seed money into this. Well Yeah and the thing is there was a lot of interest in a lot of those e s and the got the ball rolling. A as. It's a Dick Charles He was in Omaha Sports caster and they hired him as the League commissioner. So he was going to be going out and schmoozing with people talking with people trying to get them to sign up for this and with all this publicity Glennon it Thing kind of snow mold by July nineteen sixty like three or four months after they had this What was in February? I guess that'd be five months. Whatever it is up to the first organizational meeting now the price of a franchise? That's up to fifty thousand dollars. You know people wanted to sign up. Puerto put fifty thousand dollars and now the word twelve franchises that signed up and they decided well now they kind of getting publicity city they would decide to have a draft okay. This would be the great thing. They're gonNA show the public that they can attract bowlers. Okay so the teams teams get together and they have a draft before we get to the draft though and let me ask you this quick question having to interrupt. But it's because I'm Gonna WHO's putting the money up for these franchises. What is the source like? Is there a prototypical owner type or any of these A beer companies seem to be very big part of the the the in some of these tournaments in these In the Pro Association. That kind of stuff. Where's the money coming from? WHO's WHO's postponing up? The Doda to own a franchise. Well one of the one of the hunt hunts. was down in I believe it's Dallas one of the Fort Worth remember one of the hunt. Brothers put up the money to For the full team team over there the standing are hunt. Yeah yeah huge you know figure in challenger leaks and stuff and American football league. He was money the American football league at the time he was probably more of an outlier. Right you know. He had bigger fish to FRY than than National Bowling League. No thousand dollars. Nothing to his pocket change. Where were these other Coming from like it was a with any kind of was the prototypical or or was it just like bowling. Fans with bowling fans and people had some disposable income that wanted to Invest in something like in San Antonio. They had a a retired. I think it was a retired Air Force. General was going to come up with the money for the franchise in San Antonio and that they later trouble because he he Didn't have the money but A lot again. It was a lot of people that are involved in the bowling industry. Either locally either proprietors or people were just bowling fans. Figured hey take a gamble on this and we'll put the money into this so it was like in the different said. He was a lot of local proprietors in Chicago. They had a man named Weber. Who's going to back the Chicago team? But he dropped out he was Chicago. Proprietor so it wound up. We might not having a team in Chicago but again a lot of case it was local proprietors or local people who were businessmen who liked bowling. Or maybe even didn't like bullying but thought there was a way to make money interesting. Okay so so oh some the seed money was there right and so this draft right. So you're you're I mean interrupt but this draft is kind of almost seems like it's not only a way to stock this league with quality players but also as a as a PR event to kind of get people interested and the fact that they can hopefully attract some of the major bowlers of the time. ACTU- actually there's a there's a picture on this In one of the bowling magazines of Lyndon Johnson who was This would be nineteen sixty fifty one and he was the This was still nineteen sixty. He was still a US senator and he was going to be running with Kennedy for president. I guess he was by this time he tended. Might that'd been Kennedy's running mate but anyway he was there and he was at the NBA draft and he drew one of the numbers out. And no really really then to be Lyndon Johnson was at was at one of these meetings and he drew one of the numbers out. Something I don't I I can't remember the details. I wish I could but I do. Remember the picture of them After meeting What else he got doing your vice president? I ever even vice presidential candidate but you have to check me on that one that might be uh-huh Fuzzy memory but what I do remember though is that they were trying to get publicity for this draft so they had twelve team signed up so they started drafting. They took turns and they would pick different people and of course You know they then they had a sign that people it got to the point where anybody that was any kind of any kind of a bowler and you can connect with. The local. Bowlers have been called. The three hundred sixtieth pick was Yogi. Berra because Yogi Berra who was the catcher for the Yankees. He's then he was also bullying. PROPRIETOR THEY BOWLING Alley in New Jersey with Phil Rizzuto. So they got they got some publicity for having Yogi bear on the draft Yogi but not sell No no they'll still felt was Too little at that time. But they They pick these bullets and then they had sign them. And that was part of the problem because as I said the elite ball dime carden waylon Weber and Lillard and some of these guys most of them had contracts with locally sponsored teams and with equipment manufacturers. And so they were Kinda worried to give up that Stability to sign up with this National Bowling League even though it looked good. They figured what we can wait it out if it if it succeeds and we still got the name we can sign up but these guys and then of course national bowling alley basically said well. We're GONNA make our own news we're GONNA make our own heroes so there was never based on your research. There was never any discussion discussion about allowing some of these major players. The opportunity to play in both of these environments and help sort of rise the tide for for all boats so to speak Out Well it was the question of scheduling it was basically questioned scheduling because These guys have their contracts with as I said there were like the budweisers would would With the most famous team then sponsored by Saint Louis but but why should beer and they had a contract to go around and they go to different bowling bowling alleys in different cities where budweiser is is being sold and then appear in these And exhibitions maybe maybe the whole team. It'd be there and maybe one or two guys maybe just one guy and that took up a lot of time and plus they'd laid-back in Saint Louis during the week and they bid ball on a regular league in Saint Louis so that took up a lot of time. And that's what we're getting paid for it like Carter was getting paid. I think it was about twenty twenty five thousand dollars which in today's money motivated by eight but The National Bowling League was saying they were going to have a minimum salary of ten thousand taller. But you know these. These guys weren't so let's show me. The money is the phrase right so There was really logistically not much way these guys can do it. But the Nash's Bowling League did though sign up some name Bowler still as after a few months. I Steve Nagy was the first name that they sell that. He was a two time a bowler of the year and he was the guy that had shot the first three hundred game and a film series and he is also the first bowler featured on the coverage sports illustrated and to this day. The only bowler featuring undercover sports illustrated so when they signed Steve negigible that show. They were serious. So That's interesting so succeed Nagy as sort of a as a as a marquee signing. Yeah he was the first name Bowler. Let me ask you this then. So let's back up on the franchises for second. So you're mentioning mentioning this. The the certainly the strong tie between say beer companies in the sport of Bowling and to the point of them sponsoring teams. Why in your estimation wouldn't say astros or a budweiser or whomever? Think about buying one of these franchises advertises and and kind of you know naming it or shoehorning it and their name. Into owning a franchise a city in this fledgling league delete went to it that way. Hey look look at Look at the St Louis Cardinals. Nineteen fifty four. Gutsy Bush Budweiser bought the saint. Louis cardinals he wanted to change changed the name of the stadium which was sportsman's Park to call it Budweiser Stadium. National League would not let him do that. Okay that was cheapening sending their product today but of course we got people Sports facilities so naming rights all the time. But it wasn't dumb then it was. It was considering mixing things up. Of course which does he. Bush got around that because he changed the name to Busch Stadium and then he started putting out a bear busch beer so he kind of got around that one but no strolls in these these companies companies. They were doing fine the way they were. Why do they risk the money to do this again? It was a speculative deal and a lot of people are gonNA sit back and wait to see what happened because there was again it was also this top addition with professional bowling. Now the thing with the Professional Bowling Bowl Association first of all they were still on a limited schedule and there were originally was only like you know a few weeks out of the year and even by nineteen sixty two. It was only thirteen weeks out of the year. They had the big tournaments and most of those were like later in the week. So a bowler is who were sign up for one of the beard teams if somebody else they'd still have time to bone there locally. They'd still have time to do their their exhibitions and they could Bowling Professional Bowlers tournaments. But if you were in with the National Bowling League you retied in originally three nights a week hugh and you were traveling around all the time. So there was no way you could Fulfil your contract with the With a equipment manufacturer and bone the National Bowling League They probably have been off more. They could chew they would probably too ambitious. Maybe they should have started on a smaller scale. Okay so now. So let me just bluntly asked this question that and maybe this'll be a theme as as we go through the rest of the not so long history of this but explain to me and and more importantly to our audience the the the relationship if there was any hands off hands on maybe underhanded Between the the pro bowlers association in its infancy and this National Bowling League because it seems in retrospect that there was sort of a a bit of an antagonism or maybe the PBA having a bit of a head start. I guess in terms of popularity of professionalism almost maybe not wanting this nbl to kind of happen but from what I read from your from your writings it almost seems like the PBA at least publicly. He said you know. We don't mind it but I don't know if that that feels true or not to me. It isn't true. That's what they said public. I mean they're not gonna go badmouthing another Boeing promotion but behind the scenes Eddie Elias and the crew that ran the the professional bowlers association. Shen with a quasi these Their bowlers. You know you don't want to get started in this venture you're gonNA waste a lot of time. It's not GonNa make any money funny. The way to go is here with the professional bowlers association. We have a model that we're using. That's based on golf and bowling was in those. Those days was Not as quite as popular as golf but it was it was it was moving up starting to rival it whereas let's face vases. Bowling was never gonNA rival the Major League Baseball or football teams or basketball or hockey. Probably one rival them either so allowed bowlers Thought the way to go was the PBA model the individual model okay. Even though bowling been traditionally a team sport Lord Okay firemen team usually. They've got the idea that if you were gonNA be a professional if you're gonNA make money the way to do it was the PBA model and so when the bowlers were kind of worn off joining the National Bowling League of it they A lot of them did not take the plunge very interesting in Ah Look we do a lot of investigation of of of Things all the way back. She's the earliest days of baseball even and certain themes if Volvo and keep sort of repeating themselves and it almost reminds me. Now of what's going on with you know obviously in a in a different realm Lacrosse here in the United States right. So there's there's an outdoor Sorel crossley called Major League Lacrosse. Don't get me started on the indoor league but thing but but but the last year or this last summer we we saw the introduction of love a competitive league that's more More of a tour kind of thing called Premier League Lacrosse. So it's very interesting and we get into things like you know central control versus franchises and and those economic models and stuff. But this is this feels to me like the very root of of the birth of professionalism in bowling in this country country where it's almost sort of the battle of the models right sort of the individual model on the tour kind of model going city to city with some of the game's best stars and and having it being somewhat easily televise -able to versus a you know almost an emulation of say Major League Baseball spoke you mentioned or maybe even National Football League where where it's it's civic you know a a teams battling out Sort of an a prideful. Kind of manner you know city versus city kind of for the the pride if you will of each metropolitan area and you know I guess at the time it seems like why not give both the shot but it it just seems that the NBA all kind of had so many strikes no pun it against it in the beginning given given the PBA'S I dunno influence or AH undue influence in the sport thus far well one is one of the things she should be Think about and this is something. That's in retrospect you can see this With bowling bowling as I said it always been a team sport. UC Five men team. Basically you have five individuals shooting and ending their scores up right okay. And that's it's an individual game which is which in team play is Gathered five men together the other major sports like football or baseball or hockey or basketball. I really not individual sports. You don't have a baseball game where one guy gets up and hits and then another guy gets up and then another guy gets up separately or someone they worked together as a unit. Those majors Team sports work together. Bowling was basically when you look at it and it's and it's Details is an individual sport. Were you just said the scores five bowlers together or three years six or however many Utah team five was the usual number. They came up with so in that. Sense The individual model of the Professional Bowlers Association was bound to succeed. Because that's basically what. Bowling is an individual sports which had been and grafted on which had been played as a team sport. Well so okay. So That's interesting so all right. So the draft is done you've got players stocked. You've got some teams kind of announced. Maybe you could give our audience. A sense of sort of how these franchises were going to. If you will go to market in terms of the places that these matches would be held. It seems like these cities all had sort of different approaches to that in Kansas City. They had an old theater downtown that they converted into Bowling Alley and in some of the other places they have like an existing Bowling a bowling alley they taxing arena on for the matches. What they have like four lanes there with with seating? The most ambitious idea was in New York City where they grant grand central station which is right and they're hard to Manhattan to forty Second Street. there was a proposal that was actually give them serious consideration of putting bowling lanes dropping down and they grand waiting room and Roofing that over and having bowling lades and effect on a misdemeanor over there and putting the arena in there and there was actually serious discussion about that but then the preservation invasion and stuff this ridiculous. So they've never went very far and they want shooting the jurors instead but in all these cities they did have purpose built arenas if there was an arena by itself or as I said it was something that was converted like a movie theater. Or it was taft on to to An existing bowling centers. A matter of fact that's how they want it Teams instead of twelve because they'd signed up. Twelve teams and four of them. Could not meet their deadlines for providing an arena solely were just asked and Lee finally got ready to get going. They only eight teams. Yeah that that's interesting because you look at some of these photos and they're not a whole a lot of them out there at least the ones I could tell. Maybe you've got another source that we could talk about After the after our conversation but There were you know some. You mentioned like Kansas City and Omaha Omaha. That were actually in theaters. You know actually warming theaters where they literally just built the lanes on the stages of those and sort of created a you know an an environment almost like a a stage show if you will and versus say Dallas like the Bronco Bowl which will get into in a second. which is the Lamar Hunt involved at? which is really sort? You've larger commercial bowling centers with multiple lanes and and part of sort of the you know come on down and family play games and your local leagues and that kind of stuff where they would just. Maybe I guess you know Curtain off the other lanes and sort of just Focus on four lanes or so to make it. You know that sort of be the stage each for for the Games but it also seems like to that they were just others like you mentioned the New York situation but others who maybe I think. It seems like Leonard Homo wanted to kind of be. Be Part of this group of folks that want to create or build their own sort of purposeful a purpose built a little mini arenas specifically before this league. Yeah that's what they did. Every place had its own little arena. That was just used for the for the National Bowling League. Only even they even these large large scale bowling centers have these little annexes as a matter of fact The one relatives still standing is Thunderbird thunderball thunderball in Allen. Park the Detroit suburb. They have Seventy eight or eighty lanes wherever you Got There and they still have the little national bowling league arena next to it like four explains or whatever it is so that was the type of model that most of them were going to go with. Okay a regular existing bowling center and you would have The purpose built arena Rena next to it and The bowling from the rich the open plain leaks regular bowling center. We're going to help. Finance the construction cost very interesting for you. A New York New Jersey Z.. Metropolitan area folks like myself having grown up there. There's the trivia question is where in the fact that the grand central bowling idea fell through. What do we know where in New Jersey? The New York Franchise was actually located. I do you know that off the top of your head Doc. Metal on New Jersey. There was a picture in the book. my book the Bowling Chronicles of a match at the Gladiator arena. which was the name of the team? New York gladiators. I was in New Jersey and you can see late in the season and you look in the stands and what ten people sitting around watching the match. I mean there's still probably more more guys down on the latest Polish. All right. What's this Mac? Weldon Mac Weld and of course wilderness. The premium men's essentials brand that believes in smart design and premium fabrics and You know they they go out on a limb Mac Weldon Alden does. 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Yeah the Kansas City there's a Kenneth scope out of that the League it's filmed to promoted and Whether bowling this This theater in Kansas City. And it says it's a Polish that's from the nineteen twenties and when they bowled there they even have the Amerique mommy throughout the first ball and everything so they were very cited. So I got to think that that that these plants would have at least been an enticing component to the pitch to television networks works right because it's clear that there was a lot of thought being given to how to present Both live as well as on television. Can you talk about this Kenneth Cope because ah I wonder where this is. I read about it in your in your writings. I guess there was a promo reel or film that was kind of created to. Maybe I guess show shop around to the networks as this being television worthy. No they have a down at the national Bowling Museum in Texas. They have a copy of. I've I've seen it. Maybe it's up on Youtube. Who knows but I've seen this kind of scope? It say it's an exhibition match today. The Kansas City team which was called Star. I can't remember and there were bowling against them. Makeup team of a bowler the other than the other teams and they believe a Well originally I think they were both two games. Because originally are GonNa Ball three-game matches they kind of dragging so they went to game matches. But Yeah it's interesting so okay so the television thing never sort of happened and they didn't let that sort of get in the way of getting the League actually started in nineteen sixty one. Do you have any insight into how well or how close the the. Hi Dear Getting Televised Games for the beginning of the season and sixty one was or were. They just resigned to the fact that they were just sort of more focused on just operationally getting the the Games teams in the matches up and running. I get I get the feeling that they were never even close to the. TV contract because They they taught very bravely but I I think they figured well Oh since we couldn't get TV country. It was We're willing to pay them enough for for what they wanted They would just figure. Well we're going to get big gates in look impressive and then the TV companies will come to us but it didn't work out that way. The attendance was the attendance was very poor. I mean in I think Detroit the best attendance attendance and they they may be may every two hundred people for a while and then one of the city's Fresno wound up is one of the cities they averaging like four hundred people and this was you know at the beginning of the season when there was a lot of interest in it and of course it says it said by the end of the season everything kinda slacking often often. Has it said you got these situations where with them. Bowling Alley looks deserted. The arena is highly anybody over there. So let's talk about the teams then so you mentioned some of the city's give me I mean it doesn't seem like again in retrospect and I don't know and I haven't dug through all the the newspapers at the time and stuff but you know I. It's my understanding that you know. Bowling was a fairly well covered sport in in sports sections of newspapers. I got to think that there would have been some promotion there and what about marketing and advertising of these teams right. was there any money kind of out there to kind of promote the fact acted. Frankly you gotta come see this because it's not going to be on television or or you know I. I find it hard to believe that. There wasn't any sort of marketing kind of stuff. Aside from the occasional sports illustrated article or column in a newspaper. Right that you know to attract or to entice people to come well. I don't know if it was the question that they hired the wrong people that promoted or what but they think at the word out I mean okay you had eight teams. They finally started Dallas Detroit and Fort Worth and Fresno Kansas City and La New York Omaha and San Antonio and the twin cities skippers. That's not eight. It's ten rather ten teams start but They tried to promote it But it didn't pick up. They didn't pick up. The newspapers would send somebody to it and then news report is go there and they get bored but most of the time Give you an example of this Dick Trials the commissioner when he'd go into the city okay the land at the airport. He getting the CAP and right away to ask the cab driver. Hey how's the SAN ANTONIO Cavalier is doing the local bowling team. Or how all the Los Angeles Toro's doing and he can the CAP and the camping when he was talking about. This was like the local bowling team. I think he's I think I read someplace like like He. It took him like months before somebody realized it was a bowling team in town so The local newspapers You know did not did not promoted as well too because after a while you know you you go to a match and you see their their. Only you know handful of people ovarian thing. Well you know why should why should we promote this. You know there's not public interest in it. Well We got other sports right about or maybe we can write about the professional always association which is drawing people as well. Well I it seems to me that the the the pro bowlers association though kind of also maybe kind of crossed them off at the pass right in terms of getting a television contract right. I know the pro bowlers tour at ABC. That was sort of. I don't know if it was around at that time. I don't know when I actually got launched but it almost feels to me like whether through luck or by cutting the PBA Kinda got the TV sort of situation situation before or instead of the NBL. Well look at it this way The PBA you just have an hour and a half broadcasting asked me heaven as an a One location you go from city to city to city and that's it the National Bowling League. You're jumping all over the country you're going from La you're going to New York and places like that and these matches You know who knows how long the match is going to be Even when they cut it to two games you might be there for an hour and a half you might be there for two hours to the Professional Bowling Association. Quick individual matches easy to follow and so on so the the model of Team Bowling was was not agreeable was not To the to the networks it was much easier to sign nine. Something much simpler to sign something. A- package like the PBA than it was to deal with this whole league concept all right so we're talking October ish of Nineteen sixty one when they sort of things got going actual matches and competitive play. What were the organizers What do they they have in mind in terms of how the format for this would work because I do understand that there were some Some points unique uniqueness to it as well as even this a couple of extra wrinkles in terms of how to add some drama to these to these competitive matches ages. Yeah well as I said originally started with it when you have a five-man Teams in three game matches. which is the new tradition drag so they cut it to two men and one of the things they had? Would they have a point system where besides Adding up the scores at the end of the at the end of the night. You'd have the first bowler at this. While he was bullying and his team play would be matched against the first bowler and the other team in his second bowler against the second team in the guy like on DETROIT DETROIT shoots to ten. And the guy in his appoint opponents. San Diego suits to San Antonio Shoe store five then the Detroit guy gets one point right. Besides sides his His two hundred to ten and Those extra points we'd go into a toll and you get points for. If the whole team won the game game they got so many points. And plus you get so many points for these individual matches and you get so many points for the individual series and plus the guy who shot the high game tonight night he gets points and It would be kind of confusing but at the end of the night. Whichever team add more points they would get a W. Okay and in the league standings they will get a one one law so it was basically like they take both by with one loss so they were getting rewarded for individual achievements during these matches as well as sort of team competition The as I said it was kind of difficult for a lot of people to To follow the funny thing is now a lot of leagues. Have this system the league I bowl and has the system so we get extra points and they've I'm bowling like The guy that's Bolling v opposite opposite me him. I get an extra point. They we've adopted kind of that system. The one thing they did not adopt that the League was actually going to the spectators. What they call it? A wildcard wildcard in other words The teams always carry more than five bowl. Security like seventy eight bowlers. Maybe nine or ten at the beginning season when they had money and Say a bowler would go out. And he'd leave a split. Okay like something like the Oh let's say the four four seven ten well Bollywood Anybody that's a bold but not left-hander has a little bit of an advantage on this compared to the right hander. Depending on the way the ball curbs so what you might do. Is You call in the wildcard left. He's sitting on the bench and you call this guy in. And he gets he he was actually tried take a shot at the spirit and he might have marginally better chance of picking up the spare than the regular right hand boring when when this guy came off the bench cold and he throws there's one ball and you pick up the split my God. Have you know cops go wild because Mrs very dramatic way of doing things so that was the one thing that was very popular with the with what if with the fans Even though you know didn't always turn out that way. You didn't always have the game. Convert the splitter every needs to do but when he did wow that yeah. That's that's really interesting so it's almost like having a ringer if you will have a handful of opportunities to use sort of a player like that so I mean that that feels to me like kind of maybe wear the league could have had a bit of a An advantage and some I wouldn't call it Gimmickry but but the idea is that you know at least adds. It's a little bit of competitive spice to things that might ordinarily just seemed like a pretty wrote when it's five versus five one of the other things they tried to do they try to encourage the fans to get involved in this because like normally when people are GonNa Watch a bowling match. It'd be quiet. And if somebody threw a strike or did they picked array or something and then they'd be quiet again. Well what's the lead try to do is encourage the fans to try to make some noise and carry on like you're at a baseball game or something like that well you're in a little arena over here and as you know you can hear what everybody's saying and then like that I mean you've got The band ski was working work in a bunch of strikes going for three hundred game and there was getting noise in the back and he refused to stop until they until they guys will quiet down and there was another in case Carmen Vino. WHO's still alive? Now he's still around is an eighty five years old. He's very very exuberant bowler very very the Monster Bowler Guy In the stand started getting on him and this is so being was over there and he was calling so being nasty names and happen happen to be sitting next to this. So common finally had enough in common climbed into the stands confronted sky. Okay and The the Kinda pull them away and so on. So that was that was In some sense that would backfire this idea of trying to get people involved in things but that was they. They had to do something because they were losing the fans so they they try them then they try other things like that they they had like halftime shows. I think in Dallas then bowling chimps came on they were they would try anything to try and get fans it cut ticket prices. Nothing seemed to work. After you know all these things sound like. It'd be perfect for television. Ironical yeah but again again they. TV was kind of wary about this model Because when the League started they're gonNa both five nights a week. Okay because they're going to be moving being all over the place to do this well after a while. They saw this with them. Working so at the half season teams were dropping. I don't think they got the only sixteen even Leonard Hamas team at apple so everybody midseason by January. They're not on the sixteen and the AD cutbacks. They finally cut back to two days there. We're going to bolt. They were going to bowl like a double header. Anything was what's on Sunday and then Monday just to save money so things we're working out things weren't working out all right. So of all those tanner eight or whatever. The number of teams work because this clearly play was a moving target as the season kind of sort of rolled on again so to speak understand where this question is coming from whether entertain any teams that were shall we say more more successful than others despite the truncated nature of this league and this season The some kind of do it right or were on to something and and you know if things had gone on maybe could have made a go out of it versus others which were maybe just complete farces from the beginning. Yeah probably Detroit I don't know if they made money but they probably lost less money than than the rest of the League because Detroit again was the rolling bed as a matter of fact it was probably the with what she called in Saint Roots not bear bowling being in the league. It was probably the Bowling a city that was in the National Bowling League and As a matter of fact they wanted winning the championship When they got halfway through the season and teams were dropping out the league had a meeting and then he decided okay? Detroit's got the best record. They won the first half off. And now we'll have a second half wherever wins the second half then the Detroit for the for the world series titles so yeah Detroit. Probably the best shot the best made the most money everyone to lease Detroit. Thunderbirds named after. I guess this This complex that they were part of that you say is still standing and is is there any reference to it Is there a plaque or anything that NBL bowling was played here. Or is it completely forgotten why. I don't think it's forgotten. I don't think it's totally forgotten. Forgotten bin in the place that bolt into place Every once in a while the the hold something in the arena which is like this little little annex next to it they should ever really on a plaque there. You're but I really don't know if they don't have to. What's next Detroit all right so you? You are Detroit listeners. If you're not already shouting at your devices correcting correcting me on this This piece of ignorance that I've thrown out there. It'd be very interesting to now but so okay so let's talk through sort of the season now so you hit hit it but just to clarify for the audience right so there were four of these original ten ten teams that that folded kind of in the mid season right. So so the packers of Kahad the Los Angeles Taro's which you alluded to was actually owned by but right the guy behind the whole the whole league in the first place which is is sad? And and and you know sadly ironic right the stars of Kansas City and the San Antonio Cavaliers who I think never even had a home match right. Because they couldn't find the right they couldn't find an arena to play. They had they had the they had this retired Air. Force General Told me Lindemann who I mentioned before with the Cabinet Cabinet team. He told me about this. This guy was supposed to build the arena. And he didn't have the money for and by this time they were getting close to the start of the season so they can kick this team out so they made him a road team and they would travel around to different other cities. London himself he moved to Dallas and he lived in Dallas and they would they would go and they'd be like a swing nineteen doable and all these other cities and that didn't last very long. They they eventually drop link to so so that second half though then. was Ah The remaining teams and then that the winner of that second half which was twin cities twin cities tippers. The clippers would then play Shippers I'm sorry skipper's I apologize. He'll come it was only I was only out there for a couple of months. You gotta give me a break and so all right so so. What was the method or the mechanism that the The champion was to be determined as they stumbled through the rest of this leak. So twin cities versus Detroit. And what was that one game thing or was it a series or what no. It's just it was just like just like a originally was just going to be a match against the teams over here and First of all they weren't even GonNa make it home and home because of the belt-tightening has gone down this Dick Charles the commissioner even fired because they couldn't afford to pay his salary and They did have a warrior The leaks lawyer they he had a double up on the job to save money and They finally were Faced off against the twenties skippers get prisoners. The thunderbirds may fifth and six and they were going to bowl. The best stove was going to be a best of five game series but Detroit swept it. You know three games they wanted to. I three two game matches and that was it. They became the sixty one sixty two NBA champions and Local TV station station of filmed it Championship match and nothing seemed to go right because They didn't even newspaper publicity. Because it's right. Newspapers runs like that week but the bowlers split there. I I I think they. The winters got twenty five hundred dollars. Split Loses got fifteen hundred and then the league said well. We're going to be back for a second season. Even don't worry about it but by July they just announced that it was over a couple of things done pack there so it speaks to some of the bad luck I guess in terms terms of promotion and stuff. So you're hinting that in Detroit but I guess in a couple of other cities too right. There was a newspaper writers strike in Detroit. There was and and as I said Ed Normally even when there wasn't a strike the local papers after awhile when even that interested in arguably the only real sort of media source of of interest rate was going to be in this sort of newspaper kind of format and and even that was was lacking in Detroit which is ready to win the title. Perhaps so how much so so that that that series the N. B. L. World Series Right which in May in Michigan. It wasn't too long between that and I guess it was July Ninth Nineteen eighteen sixty two where the Acting Commissioner of the time Basically said we're done with the League is is over and I guess a lot of people in the bowling community kind of already sort of surmise. That that was going to be the case but it was there any other. was there any particular event or any any other sort of Issue that sort of popped up. I mean I think that that it would have given them some time to recalibrate rethink perhaps push one more time on the television front the things were happening was the PBA just really started they tried to get the TV contract. I mean one final pitch for the TV contract. TV wasn't interested in so that was at the guys weren't GonNa Continue. They were they were bleeding money all over the place to stay and continue to lose more money so they just it just it just gave up the ghost. Most of them lost. Why everybody lost money They said Detroit bobby loss to least but maybe they could have AMO retired staff. The open play from the regular eighty four lanes or whatever they got over there under regular bowling alley so take any sort of lessons from this right. It wasn't sort of an indictment of the sport of bowling right. It was just that this was a format and frankly situational all issues. That kind of was not sort of the the best environment for presentation because the PBA seemed to be chugging along quite nicely and moving to the next level Oh yeah the PBA did very well PBA lineup the PBA tour wound up being on the network for about thirty something years and on ABC on Saturday afternoon. But I'll try the golf tournaments and a lot of other sports. At the time so Boeing was still very popular into the nineteen sixties and for many years after competitor bone was very popular. It was just seemed like it was a bad model and a bunch of bad luck and Probably bad execution by by some of the people in charge of this I. I didn't know what they were doing. Mason mistakes whatever. Cc Hindsight is twenty twenty as they say but You know who knows that the time with the decisions they made probably seemed good to them any evidence that players who chose to play in the NBA were given maybe a cold shoulder by deep ba once. They decided they were going to. You know end that Or was ended for them and they went back in they wanted to be on the PBA or did the with open arms. They were like leads to be back at a friend of mine More Oppenheim. Who's I I believe? He's still alive in Chicago. He was on one of these teams And the National Bowling League and they I think he was on the LA team. I can't remember but they at the middle of the season when they were short money they cut him loose okay and he comes back to Chicago so young guy in his twenties and and he gets in HE GOES OVER TO CLEVELAND. He gets in a bowling tournament. Cleveland almost one the PGA tournament Cleveland. He finished second so it was like a Cinderella story in his part so No no they were they were welcome back. PBA because after all they were still bowlers. Steve Nagy who was one of the giants of the National Bowling League. Everybody loves Steve Nagging. So when Steve Nagy when the League folded Steve Nagy comes back to the PBA. Welcome back. Steve Sorry then work as a matter of fact the PBA now Flavor so negative so loved after he died the PBA has an award. They give every year to the nicest guy in the tour basically and they. I'm Steve Navy Award. It's like a like a friend like derocha Rebuttal Award that a nice guy can finish. I you know. Don't you know these guys will welcome back. The Guy said gone. No no hard feelings. You know you made a bad choice and we're sorry you guys lost money but you have fun while you did it. Well no the money but You know you have fun lifestyle now now all right so so. Let's let's round the corner on so given that the PBA and the pro bowlers tour and ABC for many the years crescendo legendary sort of Saturday and Sunday afternoon presentations. That you know that sort of went on through I guess sort unindo uninterrupted I guess through the seventies even in the ninety s right then obviously yeah we have a couple of different ownerships of the PB and stuff and and it seems like Fox now is even going to give it another injection of of promotional a spin if you will To kind of even gussied up even further. But I'm wandering given all the relative success of the PBA over the years the pro bowlers tour over the years and television. And maybe I'm just missing something but why hasn't there been. Maybe another attempt at sort of a league based kind of format or or something other than the way it's currently presented which seems to be pretty straightforward and almost very similar. I guess to the earliest days of the late fifties early sixties you know in the sort of staggered ladder heard format From a team perspective or some other way to present. I guess a competitive Maybe team based maybe city-based kind of way to do competitive bowling or or where people just so burnt by this experience that nobody wants to even give it a try again especially given sorry sorry by the way a gigantic television environment where lots of niche channels and cable networks and that could probably support this on a profitable basis. Well the PBA has Has experimented with With the team play in In a very small environments. But it's still individual bowling seems the way that it With with Sport teams big going to last couple of years. And that's what people are identifying with and even in Recreational Bowling is now more overtaken league. Bowling League. Bowling has been dying out gradually over the year or so. You know who knows what the future of this sport will be. I mean if we had a crystal Christobal that work we can figure it out. I suppose but I don't know and I am leadership bowling in this. They don't know either. They're operating blind China's best. They can and we see what happened. You know. It's interesting because if you look for a sort of an analogy guess or or a a similarity I look at say World Team Tennis in nineteen seventy four nineteen seventy five right. There's there's another sport that frankly around the same time. And and interestingly a guy named Lamar Hunt In the in this that story because the World Tennis Association which he was behind It was almost battling again very similar. I guess sort of from an individual player perspective versus this team concept were Billie Jean King and and and Her husband at the time Larry King Not that Larry King and some others were sort of trying to create a team concept right down to what you just described fans getting involved in in in in hooting and hollering and making it fun versus sort sort of quiet kind of thing and obviously it exists today in a much sort of more diluted form w world team tennis does but you know for a couple years in the seventies it was almost almost a carbon copy at a different sport of this concept that the N. b. l. was kind of trying to get off the ground. Well you do have people tell you like We're all for instance. You do have the pro golfers which is basic individual sport. But the golfers when they're on the Ryder Cup came in there representing the United States or the representing Europe They will tell you most of the golfers that it's a completely different game. The idea of you working as a team okay. So team played. That camaraderie is very powerful in In sports if you can if you can get things together in a team and the bowler is that Bold in team events of the ball as a team and also bowl national bowling league. Almost all of them will tell you that they they preferred bowling in the team. format as opposed to the PBA singles format. Not everyone another few bullets I can think of. I won't mention and that I talked on this and not PBS. Much better. They the National Bowling League. You know it's a pipe dream but Most bowlers who participated in the team events and the National Bowling League is a team They like that type of play better because as I said the camaraderie of it the social interaction interact with the other guys. I guess alluded to it earlier so I just I wonder what Fox has up its sleeve in terms of of its presentation presentation. I mean I know Rob Stone for example who who covered a lot of the matches during his. ESPN DAYS IS SORT OF A. He calls himself a ham bone purist Yeah but he's you know he's sort of a younger generation of folks trying to sort of inject more excitement and energy and and certainly the personalities are certainly part of it right You want to have have. It stopped short of pro wrestling. I guess in terms of you know the the integrity of the of the play in the sport but I do see you know. There is sort of a a A renaissance I guess of some of these pro sports That is sort of A. I guess you'd call it a hybrid between that of the individual all sort of approach competition and that of teams. This sort of like touring teams thing right. Like the big three in basketball or the Premier League Lacrosse US experiment which will be going into. Its second season next year. Right where these teams are manufactured they don't sort of they're not domiciled around. GOP geographies Agra Fay's but they are sort of teams that literally go city to city week after week and compete against each other in a more team based competitive format versus straight individuals individuals. I wonder if that might be a mechanism of interest for the PBA to evolve from just the pure head to head individuals individuals. or Or. Maybe maybe I'm just sort of you know. Pipe dreaming here. No that's what that's what they are thinking about doing. I don't know what's going to be the final form about Dad's you'd be better off talking to somebody who's into p about that but The idea of as you said of a hybrid Taking individuals sports which is basically what team bowling is. It's a hybrid of an injury. Would you sports putting on Putting on a on a team On the team model. Yeah that's that would seem to be the way to go because it would the the idea the idea would be. It would appeal to promoting team bowling But regular everyday bowlers. Like like you have like I said cited statistic in Nineteen Sixty You have one out of every seventeen adults in the country when some kind of a league. Okay and of course we've lost that and if they could get back to that idea of team bowling that would be good. I mean what goes to basic Book that was written twenty years though bowling alone about how America America is Social capital is kind of dissipated through that people don't I connecting in society. Where they used to but I think that it's kind got a possibility to do that. I would I would hope it would be but I guess again. We have to see how things work out now promoted very very interesting All right so let me ask you this this one last question because I think it's It's it's been a theme in our chat and that is that is bowling an television. They seem to have gone hand in hand hand since the earliest days have a professionalism and we've kind of walk through sort of how one sort of format Made Sense and how one maybe was. It's not attractive. So what is your sense of that relationship going forward. I mean I I know the. PB has gone through a couple of different where the pro bowlers. There's tour gone through a couple of different owners over the last number of years and it's gone through you know various television contracts and stuff but it's undeniable that that there is. There's there's an attraction there isn't a an an affiliation between the average Joe if you will and and playing the sport you know I grew up watching things like bowling for dollars dollars. which is sort of a local franchise or I'm fascinated for example by old episodes from the nineteen seventies of celebrity bowling? Which is out there floating around in syndication with Don Adams versus Don rickles in a in a match you know right next door to Donald Michie and Barbara Feldon just fascinating stuff but it bowling continues to endure? What are what are your thoughts about the current state of bowling is played professionally and specifically television given given your knowledge of the sport? Well I think bowling always endure and unfortunately I think they have to continue to come up with more and better ideas of promoting molding it if they they come in with As you said a A limited team concept for bowling for you know a few weeks is Or they can come up with a best Well the the equivalent of a Golf Format where you have one guy throw the first ball and the guy picks up the spare. I think you'd call it scotch doubles I believe so they can come up with any kind of more interesting format that just people watching it. I think that would help very much. Because you're always gonNA have a core of dedicated vollers who were watching and we'll watch how the bowlers playing the lanes. What kinda bother using and so on like that but you have to get the general public involving involving this and you have to get the kids involved in this? And they've been trying for years to get the kids involved in this and Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't but there's so much so much of Al Competition People's attention now it is difficult but they were always been niche for it and it's a question of maybe you need to the baby steps instead of shooting big shooting too high instead of taking giant leaps. That was probably the one of the reasons. An extra bowling league failed because they tried right. Do it all at once. The Boeing is going to succeed. They have to do it with baby steps. YOU'RE NOT GONNA get back to where you were in the nineteen sixties one thousand nine hundred seventy s overnight. You're GONNA have to. It's slowly and building. Get that interest back in the sport and I. I really hope it happens because I've been bowling for sixty something years. been writing about it for thirty something years. I Love Sports. I love the people in the because they're most wonderful people in the world and sport will not die. We're not GonNa let it die and it's going to try and I guess it's personalities to the seems to sort of wax and wane and and obviously you know there there are certainly legendary names. I I even remember from watching some of the old pro bowlers tours and stuff But you know I guess the Don Carter's the world right. I mean these are names that you know people people people actually do remember because they were stars in their own right and making some big bucks with light beer who I was being promoted. Labor yourself all these guys on sports recite site sports stars doing commercials like Like Amar Thrown Berry and other people like that bubba Smith who is the one bowler in the never done target. You would do the commercials. Okay the Bud Light Commercial Rodney dangerfield out there. Throwing a ball for this thing. So people knew bullets people know you say Don Turtle'll everybody who John Carter was nineteen sixty nineteen eighties when both professionally in ten twenty thirty years past the fifty. No John Carter was because they've got their publicity they can say fifty. A Dick Weber is his teammate. Yes okay well Dr Jake. Here's your chance to promote. What's what's the book that you have out there? That people can kind of get a good taste of of the rich and deep history of of bowling in this country. The bowling chronicles is by comed- JR Smith and it's the election of ninety of the stories. I've done for Bowlers Journal over last thirty something years and including very very long story and the National Bowling League including that picture of the glady arena of in China Weather Jersey with You know doesn't doesn't people in the stands watching the bowlers and many other great pictures as well. That's fantastic. Well I look this is this has been a treat for me because You know I I love All like I said Pro sports teams and leagues. And all that kind of stuff and it. This this silly little show over the last couple years has started to really resonate and I it does us wax and wane. I think you know some people are football. Fans or baseball fans are a particular team from their childhood and stuff but we love to go deep into some of the I dare Rsa Obscure but but for similarly fascinating Stories of of other sports that you know sort of defy Maybe modern logic. But but you know but but when looked upon context make a ton of sense and you just you know you you wonder about sort of the stories and the situations and the the And all that sort of behind it and this is absolutely one of them and it's been tough to find a lot of information about this thing called the National Bowling League and I'm honored to have been able to talk to well I think frankly is probably the The national if not the world's deepest expert in the sport of Bowling Bowling. And it's Dr Jake. I appreciate your time very much. It's been awesome. Well thank you for the kind words and Thank you for helping to promote bowling because it is a great sport Competitively and also recreationally and We are not going to lose this sport. We go out and both some games today to listen to me. Go ahead breath on all right there it is. This is almost like an alternate history. Perhaps of the sport of bowling had it not been for the pro bowlers tour. This National Bowling League might have been the way we didn't enjoy the The professional ranks of bowling in this country. But Alas for all the reasons we talked about with With Dr Jake was not to be but boy that was pretty pretty interesting stuff and next time you're up in Allen Park Michigan in the suburbs of Detroit. Check out the thunderbolt still there and I wonder if there's a plaque or any other kind of commemorative item there that Reminisces or remembers the old Detroit Thunderbirds of the National Bowling League. I challenge our listeners. Up in Michigan do Let us know maybe send us a photo or two and and just let us know what The situation is up there in terms of of the memories of of the thunderbirds and the old National Shnell Bowling League and Dr Jake is just a wealth of information about the sport of Bowling. I look I don't consider myself an Aficionado but I learned a lot now. I'm intrigued to learn more. 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"I'm from sports illustrated or sport magazine and so he did. He had made quite an impressive impression upon me in my youth and when he died. I was struck By how many lives he had touched and I remember the the pages of the Boston Globe The day after he died. We're filled with letters from people who described Ways in which they had them touched by William's grandfather is taking their fathers to fenway park for the first time and Exposing the kids to Williams and I speed read some of the early books on Ted much which I read myself. And you know. Most of the more had been done by Adoring sports writers Who celebrated his exploits on the field? But there wasn't much about Ted demand and what made him tick? And so? That's what interested me in my book doesn't didn't it's been out for three or four years now as you said but it it didn't skimp on the baseball but it concentrated on What else Motivated this guy. His childhood You know how he had grown up Mexican American as mother was Mexican but he hit that and never disclosed. They're afraid of discrimination and the the boiling anger that he had Which she used a channel constructively on the field because it was a motivator for him but it caused them all kinds of problems in his personal life so he was a rich character multidimensional So I just dove in. What's does surprised you the most about the dichotomy in the person in the athlete who was so outstanding well I guess that I guess that anger for one thing It's just You know. He resented His childhood is was a salvation army worker. Who was out all night? saving souls and Not There for ten in his younger brother growing up. They carried that resentment and He was able to As I said I use that anger and resentment constructively but it just caused them all kinds of Problems that Aquino. He was probably bipolar before they understood what that was and yet he had a good heart and You know he worked For this charity Boston based charity called Jimmy Fund which worked for To help kids with cancer and he would be there at all hours of the day and night helping Kids And giving them you know Spiritual sustenance at time when they were down and out and so he had a lot of contradictions. Ted But he. He was a off the field but he was basically had a good heart. I think men were you able to find out the essence of his athletic success. What do you think was the drive? What made him successful is a baseball player. Well he always. Yeah I mean Yeah Great Natural Talent of course and and Extremely good vision But you know you always. He always resented it. When people attributed his success to natural talent. He said it was just hard work. You know he he He probably swung a bat. He said more than any person who ever lived. You know as a kid growing a school would just carry a bat with them all the time and always be swinging warming up before a game he would Strip down it was skivvies and and the swing a bat in front of a full length mirror and he worked at he just worked hard and I don't think anyone worked him so I think that was probably the essence of it. One of the things that I read. In the promotional material on the book is the rages that fueled his brilliance on the field but severely damaged is private. Life was the Always in conflict with himself then. Yeah I think that was a fundamental conflict You know he just He He would pop off at at At his friends as loved ones if they disappointed him in any way You know he said he. Said admitted candidly to To his loved ones at the end of his life as a as a As a husband and a father he struck out he said and He tried to make up for it later in life By especially getting closer to his son John Henry Williams who also who died young of Of Leukemia shortly after Ted died and But you know he. He had this rage in him Which ultimately never understood. I always felt that playing baseball and being as successful as he was was a sanctuary for him. My wrong in that observation. No and I think that's that's right you know and He was lucky enough to live next to a ball field in San Diego growing up. That had They GonNa Park Headlights on it. And since his mother wasn't home the father was sort of a near do and I've been drunk in Away from home a lot and he would go down to the ball field and and Play Ball until ten. Eleven o'clock at night until his mother came home. So it's definitely a sanctuary. Yeah you know. It's kind of interesting because you think about a kid growing up in San Diego playing professional baseball in Boston and I worked in Boston at one time so I know the the kind of feel for the city bill. Russell is a good friend of mine and we've had long talks about his time there as well and I'm just wondering whether the comfort factor in Boston for somebody like Ted Williams was a difficult thing. Well I think he had a complicated relationship with the city You know when he started out as a rookie in thirty nine he owned the town And he had this tremendous rookie season Worry I think he led the League and Harvey is a hundred and forty something and And then you know. The Red Sox Beneath complained over the winner that year. About how the fences were too far out in right field. And Fenway Park one of the longest right fields in the major leagues. And so what did they do? They move the fences in for him that winter. About Twenty feet and And then he said he's GonNa hit a lot of home runs now and so you know the press of the day describe that new area as Williamsburg. That's that would be. Were all the home runs would go. You know. Run the right field bleachers and But he got off to a slow start and all of a sudden door scattered boos and he couldn't abide any criticism You know he thought he was a great hitter. Who's trying hard and you know. What did the average fan about How was he qualified to Critique Williams and So he swore off early in his second year. The time honored Baseball Convention of Tipping. Your hat to the crowd and he vowed he never would again and he kept that promise even when he was rounding the bases having hit a home run on his last time at Bat in his final game in nineteen sixty. Ben Bradlee is with us and he has written a book. If you have a chance to get it it came out a couple of years ago but it is the definitive book on Ted Williams his life and his career it's fascinating he's also of course quoted in the documentary by PBS. Called the greatest hitter. Who ever lived referring of course to Ted Williams? We'll talk more about his career and of course that very special season which was one thousand nine hundred forty one when he was the last Major League baseball player to hit over four hundred when he hit four zero six. We continue across the country and around the world. We've got on America's sports talk show sports byline. It has been said that everyone has a book in them. But you have the time or the ability to write your book. Maybe you picked up some skills or head a life experience that you want to pass on in the form of a book to help others. Maybe you WANNA leave and autobiography for your family. 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You mentioned about how he was unhappy with criticism and boy. I worked in Boston so I know what? The criticism from the media is like. He had a very contentious relationship with them. What's the history of that? Well he never liked. The writer says they were known. Then you know back then. Of course it would newspapers Totally dominated you know. There was no television and I guess some radio BUT It was really the the baseball writers and He You Know He. I think he enjoyed fame but I didn't like the requirements of celebrity and Even though he got a you know I would say ninety percent positive. Fr- Press He he didn't accept Sort of the The requirements of celebrity in say a sportswriter wanted to do an innocent feature about him which would get into his personal life and maybe interview. His mother father or people back home he would. He would hate it when that happened. And it get very resentful and tell the writer who who was doing this story that he would never talk to him again. It was just sort of unreasonable She had this. You know just be thought is private life was off limits which is just sort of naive and So I mean he wouldn't function very well in the in the TMC era if you will And So he just had this This contentious relationship with the the writers for his entire career. He mellowed a little bed after he retired and he's sort of outlasted the writers. I thank you know they. They came around as view of life. I have to share with you a personal story. I was very young sportscaster in Washington. Dc when he was the manager of the Washington senators and of course I knew about his reputation with the media and there was a day in which he was sitting on the bench by himself in the Dugout and I came in and sat down at the far end and I looked over at him. He looked over at me and I knew the reputation and I was a little bit hesitant about going up and talking to him but I want down and slid down sat beside him and he gave me one of those. What the Hell do you want looks and I said to him. I said Ted. I understand that the bone fishing in Florida is the best in the world well. His demeanor changed completely changed. Completely and Ben we sat there for thirty or forty minutes talking about the bone fishing and from that point on every time I ran into him I saw him. We can have talk about anything now. He loves fishing and If you have expertise and and he saw that you did and in some that he knew he would respect you also if you stood up to him if he you know he tried to steamroll a lot of people and if you gave it back as good as he gave it he he He respected that. Yeah if you tested him. He was going to be more respectful of your off. You're right about that. Let me go back to one thousand nine hundred forty one when he did hit for six. Take me through that season. And what made it so special for him? What do you think the key moments? It was incredible season Of course it was the All Star game in July forty one when he came up with two outs in the bottom of the ninth and And hit a either a two run homer three run over now. It's escaping me to win the game With Joe Dimaggio on I'm I and You know back then. The All Star game was a lot bigger than than it is today. So that was a huge highlight and So he came down to the final day of the season and they were in Philadelphia playing the athletics and he was hitting three ninety nine point five and so there was a lot of speculation in the press and even Joe Cronin. His manager had said well. You might bench him for that. Final game has a double header actually For the final two games Because on the books by rule the statistician statisticians would have rounded up three nine three nine ninety nine point five to four hundred but Williams said Hell. No I'm playing Not only they might playing The first game playing both games and Because he didn't want to back into it or have the four hundred haven't asterisk on it and What did he do? He went six for eight on the day. Both Games and had four zero six so anything Alaska to do so and I don't think the record will be broken to you. Know I don't think it will ever be broken because there's too much Special circumstances where you got a guy in the seventh inning and eighth inning and ninth inning. Not like in the old days when he walked off the field for the last time. Was He comfortable with doing it at that particular time? Of course in his last game was September nineteen sixty any. He hit the home run on his last at Bat. And who which is an incredible feat. Really you know immortalized by the Great John Updike's Essay in the New Yorker and you know. The fans were begging for him to come out for a curtain call. I'll take a bow. And but he'd already rounded the bases without tipping his cap and the Umpires were motioning to come out of the dugout his teammates where you were urging him to do that and Jack Fischer the Pitcher for the Baltimore. Orioles was you know Having an Hyang and not wanting to face the next batter and looking into the red sox dugout at Williams for Q You'RE GONNA come out or not and Ted Motion for him to pitch and So this was the bottom of the eight th the bottom of the eighth inning and Williams. Of course having hit this homerun thought that's it is work is done to say. The least but Mike Higgins then the manager of the red SOx comes the top of the night and he says to get out to left field. Ted says you know you bike. Any blank and He trots out to left field. And of course this was a ploy by Higgins He was going to substitute for him as soon as he got out to left field and give him one more chance to truck back in to the dugout. The tip is hat and Waves you know. It didn't work he He tried it in the past shortstop where popsy green The first black player to play for the red SOx belatedly in nineteen fifty nine walks right past him and I don't know if I can say this on the radio but he blankety blank. You get me. Can you believe this blank and He walked back in and that was it so never did tip his cap and he admitted later that rounding second he thought about it but he said he just couldn't do it. We got about two minutes left. And I'm wondering if you can explain our help. Us understand what happened after his death and with his body trying to have it preserved and everything. Yeah well I I think it was It was sad. he His son John Henry Williams came to be inhabited believer in Cryonics which is a practice. Where a freeze? The body in hopes that Medicine will advance to State where they'll be able to cure a person that whatever it was they died from and bring them back to life and And there's an outfit out in Arizona called Al Gore and there are several hundred people who have done this and had their bodies frozen and and It caused a terrible Stir after he died. And Ted's oldest daughter Bobbie jo by his first marriage Tried to sue John Henry and his sister. Claudia Saying arguing that that this was not. What Ted what if wanted you did have a will That had been made out Five or six years before his death saying that he wanted to be cremated But according to the family he changed his mind. Which of course even do and But it was a it was a sad way to go out and you know For a lot of people in the in the popular culture who had never heard of Ted Williams This was the first way they heard of him. You know the late night talk. Show hosts Making popsicle jokes at Ted Expense and the old timers. Especially you know like bobby door and Johnny Pesky is all teammates. They worry terribly that this would hurt his legacy. Dan I want to thank you very much for taking the time and sharing not only your book but also about the great life and career of Ted Williams. I was fortunate enough to meet him as I said and talked to him. And I remember one evening where I was at a function And had a chance to sit and just listen to him and bobby door and all the other great Boston athletes. Thank you very much for joining us. Here very welcome. I enjoyed thank you. Ben. Bradley Jr. again check out his book. It's called the kid we continue with more of you and sports byline okay. I just need you to listen to me. I know that a lot of times mom. It might not seem like I'm listening to you but I am. I hear you and what you save really does matter to me. I mean let's be honest. No Kid likes rules but I get why we have them. 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Bond movies to the deadliest catch and a major sporting events and he is flown over a thousand missions to capture. Breathtaking images of hit shows like the amazing race the World Series and survivor as well. You know when I thought about you and I saw the information on you kind of smiled a little bit because as you know David not too. Many people get the chance to live out something that they have a deer passion for it. Tell me a little bit about that. Passion and how it grew over the years. Well I'll tell you I'm I'm very pleased that I've finally sat down and wrote a book about what I do because I think what you just said is a major question for so many people who either doing a job that they hate or they just know somewhere down deep inside they are meant for greatness and you know they have a job that pays the bills but they've never you know written that album or you know quit their job for six months and sailed around the world you know. Everybody has a spent that they're they're made for something and then they may not be doing it and I think my story of my career and how I started pushing a broom twenty three years ago but always had a dream. You know to do specifically one thing which was work in television and movies and you know how. I went from sleeping before to working in helicopters and airplanes over big. Tv shows and movies. I think is is probably a good story for people to know the maybe think about how you know their career and how they might. WanNa you know some day. You know fulfill their dream of of doing the one thing that they know. They're made for my out the people that David Allen sits behind the pilot and he is the one that is getting the pictures while the pilot is operating the aircraft. He is among his video. Sports credits include the NFL Super Bowl. Mlb World Series X. Games UFC. Monday night football INDYCAR RACING AND NASCAR. All of them are sporting events but does each one have its own personality and dynamic to it David. Yeah they really do And you know the thing I love about sports is I'm I usually about two thousand five hundred feet over stadium so in two thousand sixteen when the Chicago cubs they the fans in Chicago or watching their dream die of the of the world series and they had waited for so long to win the world series again and their team was down They had lost. The number of games and people were already saying well. You know you don't know team has come back from this far behind and so here we are game five of the World Series in Chicago and from two thirty. I can see the entire city with my camera. I can see all the buildings all the people and everyone in the cog focused on that stadium because if the if the cubs can win tonight they can keep hope alive and stay in the world series and everyone is hanging on the outcome of that game and the police were expect in a riot if it didn't go well and so they had actually surrounded with an army of police surrounded the entire stadium. Almost linking arm-in-arm the police officers in full riot gear and the cubs pulled it off. They won and I'm looking across the city and as far as the I can see. I see buildings raising the W flag because the cubs had won and they were still in the world series for two hours after that game. Nobody moved normally. The stadium starts emptying because I can see everyone in the stadium for my airplane and normally half an hour before the end of the game. People are already heading into their cars to traffic but two hours after that game no one had gotten out of their seats and Wrigley Field and when they finally did about two hours later they finally started to go home. People started come stadium and as they did they were high. Fiving the army of police that had lined up around the stadium. Everybody was so focused on that game and they were so overwhelmed with just love and joy and happiness that their team had won and I looked down at all of that this that Sea of humanity and everyone sharing the entire city sharing that experience. And I said that's what sports is all about David. Let me ask a question. I know my friends who are photographers. That are on the ground covering the Games. They only have one fear. They're not going to get the picture that they need to get for a myriad of reasons. Do you have that same concern when you're shooting it from above? Well you know because I have have a live camera When we're in the World Series Fox is Carrying my picture live to their audience. So it was probably about fifteen million people watching what's coming through my lens and there is a pressure to get it right the first time because I I live on television. There's no way to fix it. All they can do is cut to another camera. So there is a little bit of a pressure you know having fifteen million people watching what I'm doing at work but I kind of enjoy the challenge and I I. I Love Adventures. So for me that that kind of pressure is is sort of a thrill and And I just love the challenge of pulling it off of timing it right you know capturing that moment of Chicago. All of the fans you know. Celebrating their their team playing in the world series and And I just love it. It's a ethical thing to behold. It's a wonderful thing to be a part of your airborne. Television show credits. Include entourage amazing race. Ice Road truckers survivor. But also the deadliest catch and I think a lot of people have certainly watched that show and when I saw that was one of your credits I thought to myself I know what the wind and the weather and the cold can be like and I know you almost got yourself killed in in covering something like that. How does one overcome the those sorts of circumstances to be able to keep alive and get what you need to get well? It's always an adventure. So you know the one thing that's unique about. My career is No I don't know if we're GONNA come safely home or if we're GONNA have a problem and I accept that risk when I go to work and I over the years I I sort of adjusted to it Journalists wanted to come and Film me while I was Shooting from the helicopter for deadliest catch and basically the way it works these these You know seventy foot crab. Boats are driving through these thirty foot these mountainous ocean waves the bering sea to cry. Try and catch King Crab and And Hovering next to that boat which is exploding. These waves is helicopter. And sometimes the winds are blowing. Eighty miles an hour Almost as fast as the helicopter king do and so this journalists. What's the comedy wants to to do? A story on my work on the show and I said Okay. No problem well you can come coming fly with us but we're going to have to put you into a helicopter fuselage and flip you upside down in the swimming pool and submerged some the helicopter so that you can practice getting out of a crashed helicopter and freezing water and he said. I gotTa do what I could just hear the enthusiasm draining from his wife and explain to him how dangerous it is up there and how how we take as many steps as we can to make sure that if something bad happens we survive it. And he's hearing all this and he just said you know. I I don't think I want to go and and our our just sitting on the phone it's kind of an silence and and he breaks his silence. He says why do you do it and I kind of thought about it and I I said well you know I really believe that are made adventure. I think that taking a risk and facing a danger is a very important part of being a human being of living a full life and so you I people always tell me. Oh be careful be safe and I always say well thanks but don't worry about me because I can guarantee you if something bad happens to me while I'm at work that I died happy and And the real question for me is not You know none of us are gonna live forever so for me. The real question is Am I really living and as long as that answer is yes? I've no regrets David. Alan Arnold is with us and we're talking about his job and it's a passion and a love where he is an aerial photographer thousand missions And the one thing I know they always talk about in sports teamwork David and they also talk about You know being able to work together. Tell me a little bit about that. Teamwork between you and the pilot well between me and the pilot I always tell people you know when they when they see a shot of northwestern crashing through a beautiful storm wave and a frozen hurricane on deadliest catch and people go. Oh that shot was so good. You're amazing and I always tell them. Well actually the pilot does the heavy lifting. I'm I've just I've just along for the ride and I can. I can ask him questions or or tell them what I would like to see. But the the pilot is the one that has to look outside and figure out how to get in and get that shot without crashing and So my my hat's off to my pilots and I am very unique Among my colleagues because I always give My pilot's pretty much. Free REIN TO TO CREATIVELY. Do anything they want to do. And I usually let that decide where we're going to go. How FAST WE'RE GONNA go or I think a lot of the decisions that put together. I think as a result. Don't Tell my colleagues but the the dirty little secret is pilot all make me look good and And so I'm happy to give them credit and to let them look out by the windows and do what they do and move out aircraft to a a position that they know is gonNa look at and then I'll just hang out of the camera and you know. Get Get all the credit when I get home but the the truth is that the pilots really do the heavy lifting a little bit under three minutes left but When you think about all your sports assignment in the types of events that there are is there any one that kind of sticks out in your mind that you've particularly enjoyed you're particularly proud of David? Well honestly the Chicago World Series and doesn't sixteen My was the same as I always do. You know filming the city and the stadium the crowd but to to witness A citywide elevation of of such an amazing human achievement to come from behind to keep hope alive for an entire city to just watch that happen. You know witness it in an open air stadium where I'm flying at two thousand feet over the crowd and I can just just see clearly how much everyone is excited. And how much they love you to be a part of of finally the cubs winning the world series again and That that was something that I'll never forget. You know as long as I live that. That is an incredible Event you know of of humankind to the hold. Let me ask you when you think about your complete body of work. What sense of satisfaction do you have? David I'm very proud of what I've done. I mean in my field. There's not a lot of guys who will climb into a helicopter and fly in the bering sea for deadliest catch or or over An Island for survivor. It's Kinda dangerous work. I've been doing it for twenty three years and I'm very proud of that and I'm proud of Also the fact that I've I've really let my pilots free and I've I've let them have the freedom to to do what they WANNA do to to make us both look at and I'm very happy with with my body of work and the fact that my colleagues over the years. I've always really made me to look at it and I just love the people that I work with in about forty five seconds that we have left any funny moments. Lots of funny moments One one time we were flying over President Bush. He was giving a speech and New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina what people don't know is There's a no fly zone over the president at all times wherever he walks nothing is allowed to fly and we're hovering over his head and I'm filming them and I just got this weird feeling of God i. We shouldn't be here. I wonder if they're gonNA shoot us down and the military call us on the radio and we had to land that we had permission to be there because we were authorized to fly over New Orleans after the storm but it was a funny situation where the the military that you can't fly over the president and I said okay. Well thanks for not killing David I want. WanNa thank you very much. What you've done. Your work is outstanding. I've seen it now. I know the man behind the camera and behind the effort. And it's just an honor to be able to talk to you. Keep up the good work. Keep yourself safe. And if you find yourself in San Francisco I always have a seat here in the studio. Come back in and see me again. I would be an honor and thank you so much for having me on. I I love what you do. The stories you cover and it's just a thrill committee on the show. David Alan Arnold again. 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And here's host Ron Bucks and wherever you might be across this great country of ours and around the world. I'm Ron bar good to have you with us. For another edition of America's Sports Talk Shows Sports byline. Let me tell you what's on tap a little bit later on we're GONNA be talking football. I've known this man for a very long time. Jim Plunkett. Nfl quarterback in the league for Seventeen seasons where he won two super bowls with the raiders. Super Bowls fifteen and eighteen. He was the first overall of the seventy one. Nfl draft by the New England Patriots. And then he played with the forty niners. His final eight seasons played with the raiders. And that's where he had most of his success and coming out of Stanford he was a unanimous. All American nineteen seventy heisman. Trophy winner now. I was a young sportscaster back in the Boston area. And it used to be that. The Patriots had a training camp outside of Springfield Massachusetts and they used to play what they called a college all star football game against the Super Bowl winning team or the NFL championship winning team and He was part of that college. All Star team. That went up against. I believe it was the Green Bay packers and then when he finished he reported to the training camp with the Patriots. While I was the person that was at the airport that early morning picking him up to take him all the way up to the training camp with the Patriots. So that's how far back we go. He was an MVP of the Nineteen. Seventy rose BOWL SUPER BOWL FIFTEEN. Mvp as well. That's when the raiders beat the Eagles in New Orleans. If you remember that game twenty seven to ten and the raiders also won their second super bowl when they routed the redskins and that was in super bowl. Eighteen thirty eight to nine. He was the NFL rookie of the year. Setting rookie records with nineteen touchdown passes so we'll spend some time with Jim plucking but we're going to kick things off five asked if I would Interview the remaining Living Negro League baseball players on. I'm honored to do so and I'm going to share with you. An interview with one of them. Sam Allen is GonNa join us. Kansas City Monarchs Raleigh Tigers and Memphis. Red Sox he was born and raised in Norfolk. Virginia is father died when he was just a young boy. His mother with the help of his grandfather raised him and she would worry so much about him and all of his years of baseball she could only bear to see him in just one game but this is an amazing story. And I think you'll enjoy it and I'm proud to be bringing to listeners. The History of Negro League Baseball when WE COME BACK SAM Allen joins us in you on sports. Byline attention self-employed individuals ten ninety nine independent contractors and small business owners. 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Monarchs the Raleigh Tigers and also the Memphis Red Sox and SAM. I know you were born and raised in Norfolk Virginia. I'm familiar with that town. But tell me what it was like when you were growing up when I was growing up I live near the baseball talk and my grandfather was a baseball fan. 'cause go to baseball game every night for fifty cents so he used to carry me. Listen to the game so my grandma making me so he would come home after the game so I got chance. Go to the baseball game. I was tired old and I fell in love with the game at early ages. I Know Your Dad died. When you're just a young boy in your mother. Along with your grandfather helped raise you. And she was really worried what she not about you. In those years in baseball she could only see you play one game in the course of your career. I understand that's right. That's right I didn't know what she had. No idea what we were going through out on the road. She would tell me a little bit about that team. In Nafa the Norfolk tars. Well I saw that was before Jack. Robson went to the dodgers and forty seven. This was about four to five They didn't have any blacks played into leg in But we would go to the baseball game every night because we we love at that time. Baseball was the big game when the cars at home we listening to him on the radio. So that's how I got into baseball. And you also had a neighborhood buddy and lifelong friend wall lundy and he shared your lundy. Yep shared your fascination and love for baseball. Tell me about him. Well Lender knows we. We hung out together. We play ball what they would do. We would go out to the ballpark. And they get files and homerun pitching. We had about twenty balls and we used to go out to the field. The two of us. I pissed him twenty times and he would swing then he pitched me twenty times and then I swing. We've we practiced this the two of us. I know looking for baseball success. You attended baseball many camps one in Cincinnati. Tell me what those camps were like. Well can't was within place called. Douglas Georgia I thought it was a pretty good baseball play until I went down to Tampa Bay and so many ball players that they put a number on your back in Douglas Georgia. At that time we had to rate because at that time they were trying to pass law that blacks and whites couldn't play on the same field No Louisiana had the law and I think Brennan Birmingham had to ordinance but It didn't pass and we Cincinnati the minor league camp down in Douglas and I'll tell you had some great ball Faz. That's good good ball players in my life. I know you ran into a legend in the Negro Leagues. Which was Bob Mitchell? Tell me a little bit about him. Bob Mitchell Bob. Mitchell was at at at the cabinet met him in. Cincinnati Cam and I was doing pretty good involved was going home. He said well. I play with the Kansas City in my mouth. That's he's a big number so I wrote the number down where I I thought that I was going to be able to go on organized ball. 'cause I was doing pretty good but then when they They would have on Friday that'd be the day you go home so I would. I lasted about about six weeks. I think one one Friday. I looked at my name on this foreign to go home. I think and hurting me. That was the first time I really you know Baseball go to win those camps and see those guys get cut. They cry like babies and I was one of them. One of the things I understand about those camps particularly maybe the one in Cincinnati camp was the influx of Cuban talent. Tell me about how good they were. They were they had a plane. How come in from will pressing. Lopez was the liaison man so Cincinnati. He became the first. I think manager San Pie gays but they have a plane load of ballplayers and it was a guy named Bill Powell who was playing Birmingham Black Vines pitcher and he used to call us junior all young young. So you see that plane coming in. She has about fifty players playing telling them twice a year coming sprang. You're bringing them to come back in the fall of the town back home. So a bunch of you going to go home and I was one of them that went home. But they had they had this Tony Gonzalez who ended up playing south. Cincinnati Leo Cadenas played which Philadelphia and I ended up in often. And I got on the phone and I called Bob Mitchell. Master down and You can make this team. I had about nineteen thousand pocket so I went one way ticket veterans that they were in training in Jacksonville Florida. I got no one way tickets. Jacksonville nineteen dollars. Never get along the Good Friday night. I was leaving and I had a shooting address. Us Central China left them out in between in Suffolk which is about twenty miles and I looked at somebody so when shoes so I ran up to the first time I've been wave home. I run up to the bus driver. You see yeah. What's the problem I said sometimes so me shoes both avenue? Couple of 'em daddy join me. Do buy a new pair so I really was so I went and sit down and lead went to Got To during that time that local of all the stops down to. That's Florida that Saturday night from Norfolk. Twenty four hours and the monsters loading up getting ready to come back to Charleston. South Carolina pay that Easter Sunday. They hadn't seen me play and I didn't know anybody but by Mitcham met him two days so when we got came up to Charleston. I had a Cuban roommate named Joe Arenas he weighed about two fifty to sixty so they put us in a room together. When I went up to room hotel one been land in the middle of the bed so as not getting that base I went downstairs and snuffing when we went to the ballpark. That day team. You sold to play with the Jacksonville all stars so the guy comes up in the car. Say the bus broke down. He bought three play. Four players and out of my house manage was wondering the legends name was William Visit. This mute. He was he was one of the submarine. Picci's one of the great Black baseball players pitches. So He's Oh look. Here's what we got to do today. 'cause the pockets loaded with people is that we're going to you're going. GonNa have to play without teams dating. We don't like to do this but it became that this money go so I played with Jacksonville and that was the best thing that happened to me. I think the first time up like yesterday it a single up the middle stole second and I think it makes a struck out and then the next time I came about he went over the school board so that was history when I saw after the game. He's a well. I don't have this dome is I. Don't have to worry about you. Beat me against go. Sign you to contract. I think contact. I didn't know what it was 'cause I'm in I'm in Charleston South Carolina about six dollars in my pocket the allegations send me back home so I got to play. Let's move forward to nineteen fifty eight and you were playing with the Raleigh Tigers that time and and one night while the team traveled through Welsh West Virginia. The bus broke down now. First of all I want. I want to ask you about Welsh West Virginia because I played there at one time but tell everybody what that little town was like. Oh that was it was. It was a nice little town where I don't look back on the side of the mountain. And they add a Ballpark And it was it was it was a nice San. What have we the bus coming up the hill and I think the bottom of the there are and everything. Don't out so the owner the name does he was rally ed about three or four hundred jukebox kind of the money so he told the lady say This is my ball team. Put Him in. Hotel gives them three meals a day. I take so he pulled out the big role the money. So she's anonymous. Don't don't don't own a you. Don't pay me now. I'll getting layer so we were out there for about a week. Practice playing ball practicing playing ball in one day one morning doubt Fan. I've got the bus bus gone. We feel that Russia. She's but I'm GonNa do say your breakfast. I'm giving breakfast and I'm GonNa give you a sandwich a sandwich for lunch and you done is going to be in half so what you mean there. So you'RE GONNA have to out here after lunch so I ran to the telephone. I told my mom I said. Look my mom's standard. Send me one hundred dollars an hour. You must be Crayton's housing your ticket. I said no so. I called my uncle and he picked it. I was in late tower and He's GonNa send money because he wanted me to get home so they and go to work with him so he sent me a fifty dollars in telling me Rakai. Hey He's Jacksonville Florida. 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Monarchs the Raleigh Tigers in the Memphis. Red Sox and salmon nine hundred fifty nine the memphis red sox rolled into Raleigh for an early season matchup. And you and your teammate. Rakai Hayward were anxiously awaiting their arrival. You'd heard about such great things about the Red Sox organization. What had you heard that the they had their first class because they had their own ballpark and engine played at Memphis. You had to watch machine You could watch close and you didn't stay on the road you got on the road for two weeks and you come home and you play home for two weeks. So you've got a chance to well actually up kitchen you could eat. And they really took care one of the things. Also I know is the fact that The Red Sox were the last organization and Major League Baseball to have a black player. And you talk very candidly about the segregation in Bay. You talked very candidly about the segregation in baseball. It was broken ten years earlier but the process of integrating teams throughout the majors was sluggish. And you also talked about what it was like socially in this country. Tell me a little bit more about that for you and the other black players well. They had so many great black baseball players and that was that was the a problem. I never you never seen a lot of the great volunteer. Never got a chance really playing in in the majors and getting going to organize ball because what have Some plans The teams Major League teams had minor league teams in the South Sea and down south. You had you had a quota system that She played if you had three blacks on the team. What I'm had to be pitching so he didn't play every day so you didn't have it more than two played At one time. So what was it like barnstorming through the country under the conditions that existed at that time black players? It's funny now. We're at that time planet you. I know when I first got started biased on Dimond. I was so happy that being the Negro League we played in Michigan sitting in China. And I remember we were. I think going to end Annapolis and I remember. I left my glove and my shoes in the locker room so I had to buy new New Glove. Us and That was one lesson I learned. Make sure after the game. I put my love and choose in the bag. You know 'cause that was almost salary to pay for that. What was it like interacting with the fans when you guys would stop and play a game someplace we we? We had a lot of fun because what used to be used to come in. He played here play wherever we play beginning town. Early like bus in people was curious. You know they come. They come in look in. We will talk to you know and not come out to the game at night. I know you remember stopping at restaurants and being denied access through the front door and then you'd be directed to enter through the back door the kitchen to get something to eat and it was not uncommon to be refused rest room usage at service stations along the road. Did you all ever get used to that or had it been going on for such a long time that you did get used to it now? You didn't get used to it but sometimes having choice you got hungry and especially if you played the night before and you struck up a couple of times you need to get a good meal for you. Some of the rest are has they had in the kitchen. Bad had like a piece of plywood. It's fishbytes in the kitchen but what we would do in the kitchen. They may the cook Look like us. So we talked to her and We three plates in one. I know demand knew that she was doing that. It would kill all of us but we sit back into kitchen and food. What was the comradeship? Like among the players in the Negro League close. We've been close. We were closer. We a close we. When when you play in that Negro League you travel I mean you you. You were just like a family. Yeah you're on that bus slap on the bus in We we fight you know together. We did everything. I know that when you're with a group of guys all with the same desire to play baseball and everything and often after what you'd all been through and everything. There's gotta be a sense of humor about the things that you saw that you did syr with me. Some of the funnier moments. Well I tell you we Independent long as I say we when you went to hotel It was a good thing. That just about every ballpark went had show so you Got Cancer Shower. But when you went in the shower you had a a rebel. You had trouble where you put your money in any showers because your mind having a lot of somebody's GonNa tip you and that was one of these and then when you. When we went to hotel the most of the hotels we went to the had maybe ten rooms on the floor and two bathrooms and you'd have to stand in line sometimes two three hours to get in the bathroom. Tell me a little bit if you would about the the value and what it meant the Negro Leagues Baseball all overall. Because it's an important part of history of baseball. Well the the they grow legs run beginning. Reuben Foster Started in nineteen twenty two and added structure and he said that he wanted to play back in nineteen twenty four when he started he said. I WANNA play the cow that when they decided to let us. We'll be ready and and that's what they did when you look back when Jackie Robinson was finally allowed to break the color barrier and play in the major leagues What did it mean to the black? Other black players was hope that was hope. They knew that they had hope. You know because nineteen forty seven. He has bad blacks that that went to the maze in forty seven Dagger Roberson. Yeh Dan Bankhead was Memphis with the dodgers and dove. We went with Cleveland and Hang Thomson and Willie Brown played the Saint Louis browns employees set. How would you describe Negro League Baseball even involved awesome? I mean that was part of history that we should never forget a lot of jobs and people have something to cheer for. I can remember we would look following. This was before. Arousing went to the dodgers. You look forward to see. They grow their teams. Come to town. I mean they played. They played a different brand of ball. Iran and stove basis and hit long. Home runs in. There was entertaining because see they had like the towns and some of the teams had had little axe. You know with Flying like an acrobat but do it moved entertaining. When you look back on your long career. Can you pick a moment? That's kind of Indelible in your mind Sam that you'll never ever forget. Yeah what ACCU REMEMBER MEMPHIS in nineteen. Get the nine I was in slump and we were going played at Brooklyn Then the manager making up allowed these are the SAM. I'm let you bet leadoff. Maybe you can come out at slow so I was at ebbets field and I was. I was so proud to be. You know this is where Jackie Robinson camping out camping sponsored the game and I think the first time I hit about just team foul balls and then I got a single right field and try to stretch it and got thrown out but that day I hit about I take it went home. Run and two triples. That day. I win the best days in my career. And 'cause uncle lived in New York and I was trying to put on the show from I'll who is the best player you either played against her. You saw the Negro Leagues. I played before I went into big legally as I got this. He was stationed at four. Houston's back in nineteen fifty two been a rookie of the year in the National League. But was the guy was a couple of guys. I remember Legrand guessing Mitchell and Billy Williams had a brother named Frank Williams. He was my roommate in Memphis and he could play he was. He was a carbon copy of Hank Aaron matter of fact he was from the same place down in mobile but they were guys that it did not play because he ended up with the Detroit Tigers and Chicago cubs both Sam. I want to thank you very much for what you did for baseball. So the Negro Leagues. It was a wonderful time in the history of baseball in. This country should have been recognized more at the time that it was happening. But I'm so glad that you could join us for this wonderful collection of talking to the people that played in the stars of the Negro Leagues. Thanks a LOT SAM. Take Care at thank you. Sam Allen again played with the Kansas City monarchs the Raleigh Tigers and also the memphis red sox. We continue across the country and around the world with you on Sports. Byline listen to me. I know that a lot of times mom. 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Plunkett joins us on sports byline former NFL quarterback in the NFL for sixteen seasons where he won two super bowls with the raiders number fifteen in eighteen and he was the first overall pick of the nineteen seventy-one nfl draft by New England. Then went on to play for the forty niners in his final eight. Seasons with the raiders. Heisman trophy winner as well coming out of Stanford. Mvp The nineteen seventy rose bowl and he was a super bowl. Fifteen MVP. Jim Let's go back. To the very beginning you grew up in the South Bay down by Stanford and your situation was interesting. One you had working parents. Both of them were blind. Tell me a little bit about the growing up years of Jim Plunkett for the most part. It was the same as I can ever. Hey the kid who lived around the corner from me In My neighborhood But you know there's certain things we had to watch where my my mother was totally blind my father legally blind and they did a great job in raising three children We had to move a lot. You know we're parents are on welfare and In that regard it was hard to get a stabilizing Thing going on with our family because of all the moves but eventually we got to decide and we couldn't go much further in San Jose and you know I started working at the Child. Third Grade at working at a gas station after practice to plan it up. And you know have since I've been working ever since but you know had loving parents. They did the best. They could enraging three Children and I'm very proud of that fact. You know. I know at an early age as you said you worked cleaning up at a gas station. You also delivered newspapers you bag groceries and you worked in. The Orchard says well I would think that that experienced him would steal your character and determination. Am I correct in that observation? Yeah I mean I was determined to make a better life for myself. I certainly don't want didn't want to grow up and down welfare When when and if I ever had a family you know I was going to be able to take care of them. I was GONNA get an education. I studied hard at school. I wanted a better life for me and my future family. And that's exactly what I got work hard in school as well as athletic fields growing up Had several choices to go to college snafu as my my first pick and I'm certainly glad and Happy that I tend to Stanford University to This Day. I played the NFL for Seventeen Years. Where the college for four My closest investments are the guy so I went to school with and played with Sanford. You're certainly a multi. Talented athletes competed in baseball basketball track and wrestling of the other ones besides football. Which one did you enjoy the most Well you know I love baseball. I thought it was going to become a professional baseball player long before demo going to become a professional football player but a junior in high school my eleventh football grew and grew and grew and and then all of a sudden. I started getting all these letters and people come in to see me play in high school football games. They were interested me in attending their school wherever that might be And out so football took over as my first love and Fortunate enough to go to Stanford on scholarship and you know except the tone for the rest of my life. You know you were passing quarterback I know you WanNa contest when you were just fourteen years old throwing the ball about sixty yards and yet at that particular time in the PAC eight. Was that more of a running conference at that time. Did you have any question about going to a conference as a passing quarterback in a conference that might emphasize running? Oh a little bit. You know. They'll throw the ball. But you're right even Stanford. They had a great quarterback chain Washington and he's roll lot left a lot right and before him was Dave Lewis. You know you know thought of as you know. Great going quarterbacks But I figured that wherever I went I was going to make a contribution especially with my my ability to pass and after I got the Stanford and they so solid I could do. Throwing the ball you know they. They changed your entire offense to to suit my strengths. Which you know. I'm very very fortunate that for them to have done that then. That's certainly paid off for them and for me. Obviously tell me about the discussion. Between you and John Ralston when he wanted to change a defensive end yeah well. I played both ways in high school. I played defensive end and some DB and inside linebacker and as well as and then I came to Stanford I had some health issues. I had surgery on my neck. I had a tumor on my thyroid and one number one. I might not ever play football again. But that being said you know I got to Stanford. I did not perform very well as a freshman. We didn't have four years of the only three back then. and then. Spring Ball After Spring Ball coach Ross and John also bring everybody after evaluated. Everybody and said this is what you need to work on it. And he said you know Jim We're GONNA make you a defensive end. Like he played. I Played High School All Star Game. I should preface that and that I played defensive at. I didn't play quarterback but it would make a long story short. He said you know. We're thinking of moving to defensive end when you come back next fall and I touch you know. The situation I was in I had surgery for I got the Stanford. Come and the thing. I would number one a chance of quarterback to show you what I can really do. And then number two is if you offensive end. I'm going to transfer and go somewhere else and Johnson's okay I'll give you one more shot and You know the rest is history. Turned out extremely well for the both of us if my memory is correct and I don't Say that a necessarily we'll be but I think y'all had some pretty good assistant coaches on squads over the years at Stanford did you you. Mike White went onto coach Cal Illinois in and the NFL is assistant. Let's Dick for meal. Who is also my coach. Show when I first got the Stanford he you know he went on to leave. Went to the Rams allows teams coaching. Ucla and then to the pros and Saint Louis And you know Jim. Mora also became the NFL head coach. You know a lot. Great syncing Johner awesome. It's very good at hiring people around him. That's get the job done. And he was more of an organizer and he those guys. Do you know to work on the field. And he put it all together but Yeah we had a great coach and stuff for the first time. Since nineteen fifty two you lead Stanford into the nineteen seventy rose bowl and they were a heavy underdog. You were Against Ohio State. Tell me about that game. Yeah we were. You Know One thousand nine hundred twenty nine hundred. I can't remember 'cause that's a long time ago And anyway they just haven't finished the passing attack like we had at Stanford and our guys stepped up big and every situation although we gave up almost four hundred yards ground. You know I'd stay defensive stubborn enough to not let him in the end zone often and offensively they just couldn't stop are passing game with Jack. Lassiter Bob more. They can all came up with the catches during the course of the ball. Game to help us win that. We're one of those years when you had the thunder chickens as the defensive unit there at Stanford that was the year after I left Pete Lazett Tich Jeff Seeman. Let's go on and on Yeah they kind of got that nickname because we're at Stanford went without a mascot because we were in the Stanford Indians. When I was there in the next year they had no mascot whatsoever. So there's just himselves the sender chickens and then the following year. They became cardinal Washington State Coach Jim Sweeney said. He called you the Best College football player I've ever seen. And that was certainly witnessed by winning the nineteen seventy heisman trophy and there was a pretty good quarterbacks that particular competing for that. You've got Notre Dame's joke eisman and archie manning of Ole Miss. What surprised you the most about winning that award poor kid out of San Jose You know get into the topping on the college level And you know I you know. I was thoroughly surprised and happy. You know all those feelings that go through Somebody when you know they're they they win something or they achieve something and You know I was quite proud of the fact my parents were. My father was a longer living but my my family was quite probably my mother. Extremely so It was a great time in my life. You know. Going to Stanford becoming heisman trophy winner. I Rose Bowl in nineteen years Great friendships that I developed. It was it was. It was a great moment for me. What did you anticipate the NFL to be like? And how was it similar to or different from what you thought him? Well yeah you know going to the NFL? At New England we weren't very good Took quite a beating. You Know I. I'd never lost very often in my entire career until I got in the NFL. Getting knocked around. But I'm a stubborn guy wasn't as long as I could Chuck Fairbanks came in and wanted to make me an A. I ran the option for chuck at you on just not an option Gannett Guide. You know maybe in high school and College I was but not the NFL. Those guys out there to knock your head off and their rules were different. They could knock your head off a little different than today so I asked to be traded and they came to San Francisco and I wanted that work out in the worst way and for whatever reason you know it just get So I I actually got cut. That was out of football for about a week or two until the BAITERS. Mr Davis Siamese contract and it was tough then too because I had to sit can like for two years and even that third year. They traded him to his in Abidin. Passerini made him the starter which I was ever. Happy asked to be traded again and Mr Davis would not do it. He said you know. You're the only experience quarterback we have and so Flex Dan he got her. I've stepped in and pretty much the rest of history one on one that year eighty eighty one season the super bowl and then three years later one another one so you know that decision by Mr Davis just signed me paid off for him and for me you know everybody who has ever involved with the raiders at that time Talk still about that situation where you took over for Dan Pastorino when he when he broke his leg. The fans cheered it so they knew that you were going to be coming on and nobody likes to see that no player ever wants to replace somebody because of an injury. Psychologically what did that do to the team when you took over under those conditions? Well you know there was a you know. Dan had been struggling. I guess and You know some of the stellar teammates. You know we're happy to see the change. I've been there longer than Dan and You know they got to know me and in some respects you know. Obviously nobody wanted to see that happen to him. And according to coach Laura's GonNa make change anyway when different too well at the beginning of that season two and three when I took over so You know as I said he didn't want to see that happen. But you know everybody you know embracing him with open arms and my teammates fans and and once again the other mystery. Juan went on as wildcard team. I ever to to a super bowl. Yeah I also remember the game in which you played the Cleveland Browns. It was a bitterly Cold Day because on the charter back home I did not fall out until we got over. Denver and of course the the pass that was intercepted in the end zone really was the key to the victory in a very important moment in that game. Is there any sense of that game? That's still stays with you. That you remember will never forget. I think you said when you first started. This question is not how cold it was but to make a long story short Going into the Torch Lake Erie. You know twin the to myself and my Mike Not Site You know over eighty passes were thrown in very few against the wind and they'd already missed two extra points in the win. So that's why they tried to go for the touchdown By instead of the field goal to win the game they would have won thirteen to twenty minutes two extra points and they weren't they didn't WanNa take the chance of him missing a field goal so you know you know those little tiny things you know. Help change the outcome of that game. The Raiders Second Super Bowl win was when they were in Los Angeles. They defeated the Redskins in Super Bowl. Eighteen thirty eight to nine and I think most people agree that the key play in that game was the interception just before halftime of Joe Thighs. Men's past that was turned into a touchdown. You know that's right But even before that we blocked a punt for a touchdown intercepted the ball at the Jack Squire intercepted the ball and it was because of our defensive coordinator Charlie some you know. This is what they like to do situations like that and they were going to throw a screen out to Joe Washington and that's why they put inject squire to to kind of shadow Washington. He read perfectly jump in front of him for the score. It was a really great to see We had a shoot out thirty seven thirty five or something like that with Washington during the regular season. Coming up on the short and and you know what they say about payback and You know our coaches did a great job in preparing for that game. We only have about thirty five seconds left but when you think back on your career all the successes and the challenges as well is there any one thing. That's kind of engraved. Jim plunkett mind that first super bowl by far you know struggling for the first ten years you know having some ups and downs getting my butt kicked. I'm both sides of the cotton here It it it was really a special time for me and I because so many guys play so and never get there when they do. Sometimes they don't even win the game father on of course but you know it was just. It was a special moment for me. Having know struggled all those years in the NFL. Jim I want to thank you very much. It's been my pleasure and honor to watch your entire career and our friendship is something that means a great deal to me. Congratulations on the great career. You're welcome here anytime on sports byline take care of my friend. Okay thank you very much. Good talking to you again. Jim plunkett seventeen seasons in the national football league. Won Two super bowls. Both with the raiders. One IN OAKLAND. 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No I have not seen my family now since either the end of January beginning of February. But Yeah we have missed birthdays an Easter and let's Mother's Day. At this point we already have fourteen holidays to make up when we can finally see each other all right. So we yeah. We've we've pretty much had to sit this one out but While I was conspiring with my brother he he was going to gale's Garden Center and Willoughby Hills Ohio to get a flower and You know you and I are both him and I had no no idea. You've known my mother periodically over our time together but we put the burden on Youtube. Kick out a flower but it wasn't flowers that you had in mind when you went to the market on Sunday morning. No I in him in the direction of succulents succulents cactuses for the CACTI. For those of you who are not familiar with succulent okay. We'll try this again. You didn't bring flowers home to the rich household Sunday because you were out purchasing a CACTUS CACTUS but a oh we've moved on from Mother's Day flowers. We have moved on to random early birthday present inflatable ten foot giant bowl endorsed by professional bull riding a PBR. Inflatable for the riches backyard full. That's why you see. That's I didn't notice that that's probably why it was always so expensive. It's seventy five percent of it is paying for that. Little Professional Bull Riders Association like not even a sticker speaking of bull riding. Let's go deep into the heart attacks that hook up with our band patiently waiting on the phone cody bow. Well go to. Thanks for joining us on the program tonight. Hey thanks for having me. I just Just have one question. When do I get the rival? Okay whenever you get you. Reread to Phoenix brother. The bull will be there at it is not an exclusive party. Okay well it sounds like the both having more fun than I and hanging out in the pool so a little jealous. But that's okay. The bull had its way with Jenin. I over the weekend. He has at the same for literally three years and it finally was on sale enough where I figured I was going to purchase it and it quickly went from fun into. Oh my God. We're too old for this. It's quite the workout. It's going to work out. All the videos have people like to city happily on the ball waiting to be Shaken in bucked off of it. We didn't need any. We just needed gravity to kick our rear ends over the weekend. Hey Cody how much you missing baseball? We're about About a month and a half into what would be the twenty twenty season. Yeah so In and I know that We're we're GONNA talk about this but I guess the owners of approved a proposal that they want to present the players For a return to play scenario you know he is a fan. I of course I WANNA see baseball. I I'd rather have a season no season but I get where the players are coming from on this one so You know the MLB saying this is not a cap but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and must be docked rate they let me Go over the bullet points because what you brought up is probably the crux of the whole thing is the fifty fifty revenue split for players and owners Players don't want to think that they are limited to just eight percent of what the owners get You know that would be a salary cap. They agreed to let the market will bear. And that's a little bit of a problem. Eighty two game regular season Jadan. We expected some reation on it. Did we not? Oh absolutely there would have to be unless they WANNA be playing past Christmas. Okay what do you think of this? You're you're the the representative cody in a red sox. Fan may be an attractive fan universal naked. See The pitchers lumber up to the plate. There's so many times to try it right now. And it's wacky weird season. Let's see what works are not go to university age. Where do you stand on that one I am for it? I mean I've been calling that for years I think You know I'd much rather see a designated hitter at the plate than Pitcher strikeout so it was never going to go the other way it was never going to go universal limitation of the D. H. You know because you got. Have you had guys like Edgar Martinez and David Ortiz? You know and I know that At least Ortiz. Play the field. A little bit edgy. Played their base a little bit more four Seattle than anybody cares to remember some of the other. Stipulations that we have here thirty man rosters with this twenty player quote unquote taxi squad. Cody that's That's like taking your best minor leaguers and kind of putting them on standby and then having rosters expanded by five from the way that they were up until this year yeah and I can see the one hundred sixty four game season for Ah An eighty two game season though You know I mean. I know. This is just going to be an abbreviated season. This year. That the proposing so I mean I think it'd be interesting to see the next year but I don't know we'll see how that plays out. I guess right right right and you know some of the things that we heard the All Star game and address stadium would likely be cancelled. Toronto is facing the possibility of having to play at their Spring Training Facility in Dunedin Florida. there's talk of there's talking football in fact of Vegas hosting the California teams perhaps Arizona Jen hosting the California teams in football. And I would think that it's just like when this whole shutdown started that You know you go to. If it's not going to be able to play anywhere you know at a regular home stadium that it probably won't happen at all now probably not are you with. Are you with us on that? Cody that if if we have to do any kind of shifting to neutral sites You know in early on and not just because the weather later on in the season that that's probably going to put the Kabosh on the entire thing. Yeah absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I just heard we've we've heard all this scuttle by over the last couple of months and I think that it's just to fill the news cycle quite frankly which you know which I I don't actually mind do minded as a consumer but Dismissing rumor is almost half of sports reporting anymore and we heard the Arizona Florida plan. We heard everybody gets to play in Arizona maybe Texas Speedy California. Maybe nothing all in California I did you know what it comes down to is. We don't know anything until we now. Final thoughts on the new proposal. Cody I think it just comes down to do the players WANNA play. I mean they are. Then it'll be coming forward and saying. Hey this is a way right And again I get it they. This is the only uncapped sport left right and I think the players want to keep it that way so I think the less the MLB can come up with a way to Keep that part of the the CD A intact. I I don't I mean I think this is GonNa automatically be rejected. Okay so one last thing I might not have mentioned is the fourteen teams in the postseason. We've had that conversation This is a novelty year this year. That you just try anything especially the NBA and the NHL. What are you GONNA do when? Your seasons should be wrapping up. And you still have to wrap up the regular season. It's definitely a wildcard. Try whatever you may For Cody Judd's right here. I'm Jeff Rich. This is all territory sports overnight America over back deep. Try to write Gross Buffalo Gap Greece to Hobart died in the James. Have the League Ball. Her going back springer still still still backs but three Sanchez. Take a three nothing. This is sports overnight America banging going on every time we are hitting. 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This is a nice place to visit. Welcome back in everyone's efforts to you from Phoenix Arizona gender rich with the studio cody. Bowel joins us by phone from Dallas Texas. You'd be listening to the foul territory program. We're part of these sports overnight. America block on these sports byline broadcast network Sirius. Xm To eleven espionage nation radio all of their affiliates iheartradio the tune in APP We're always streaming live at sports. Byline DOT COM. You can catch us at ten P. M. Pacific Time Monday through Thursday you'll get Gemini and the Mike Inbetween Time. Get us on social media at what's up riches instagram twitter and facebook dot com slash. Watch up riches in coded you have social media tag that we need to get out there. You know I just keep it. Low Pro Took by phone listening live. You know we can't catch you on the replay blood. You can give us a phone call. Eight hundred eight seven eight. Seven five two nine and We Heard A BUNCH OF ZION. Williamson coming on and As I am Williamson. Not really in trouble. Spirits been asked to admit that they received money gifts from Nike Adidas and Juke. I don't think that everybody anybody's going to really pay this on your mind. I think that this is here today. Gone Tomorrow Jen. We Know College. Athletes are getting paid. Always known this probably since Zion. Absence said that he was going to do that. He was getting some sort of compensation beyond the scholarship that he really had. No intention of using fully in the break. You asked me if I had seen this and I was like. Yeah like six or eight months ago or whenever we talked about this the first time yeah. We all know they're getting gifts and cotton. Mona Cars. Sometimes cars about but yeah. There's always been some. It's about the implication. Now there's always been there's always been things going the ways of people to get them to feel like signing at a certain location cody of your ever believed that college sports are lifetime has been an amateur sport. College Sportsman Amateur Sport. Yeah it's rude truly amateur sport where they're just there for either the love of the game or the the scholarship opportunity. I is getting paid by shoe companies or the boosters or whatever the whatever it takes to get compensated wink wink not by the school itself. I guess it depends on the player that you're talking to write Some some guy. I WANNA believe that they're doing it to the love of the game but there are those that are you know they know they're going into the NBA there. They know that they're working towards that contract that big payday so Some guys I think you know they they figure it out. They know that you know. Maybe I'll never make it in so I'd better fall back on this degree it. I think it's subjective right. I I'd like to think so and I'd like to think that there are more with the attitude that You know they'll always have the degree to fall back on versus You know it's it's just a sham. And I think that that's what we invite by forcing these guys on college campuses for year for this whole one and done thing versus allowing guys like Kevin Garnett and Lebron James to jump drain Kobe Bryant jump directly to the NBA from high school. Yeah and so. That's interesting to me. Do you think I should do it here in college should they go straight from high school to the NBA I mean if if I got to answer that I I think they should at least do one year right. I think they should. They should do three or not. Not Doing it. All say Eugen thought that they should get some kind of education because there is a high probability that they don't cut it at the major level. They get injured something happens. We're not doing sports. And they have to find some of the kind of employment but I don't know if that really stands currently because there's just so many weird jobs out there for people of so many different levels that I really just don't think that college education is as necessary as it used to be before. See that their concessions they should grant these guys they should let them do carcass local car commercials in Columbus and rally et Chapel Hill where their name will never be bigger than it is in their current state is a college athlete. You know you you know we we see car dealerships. All the time and radio shows marked trot out these former Arizona state football players and the former part of it is like you know like who cares but you get the booster. Yeah the sky's the starting running back. He says it's GONNA come down to mark by by a new Mark Kia Mark. Say if anything. It's good for them. Because they kind of instills that sense of community that most universities are trying to build with the communities that they inhibit to begin with. So yeah. I mean I if even if you're not just GonNa let them do it for a monetary purpose lease. Let them do it for the sense of. Hey this is the star player on this university that you have in this town and you know make the phases familiar. The problem is Johnny Manziel. Did this while he was saying that they asked him you? How do you go to class with your celebrity status in all these athletes? They take their classes not in classroom. But how right? Yeah that's that's the way that everybody should be doing it. We've we've learned that we can live in an online world with this This shutdown coyly cody. Are you able to do your nine to five from the comfort of your own home these days? Yeah as a matter of fact I've actually been doing it since before the all covert nineteen things and So when it hits you know nothing for me really changed but yeah life. Life goes on as Pretty much normal. I mean other than minor inconveniences right. You know I'm not able to go sit down in a restaurant and have a meal in my house you know. I can't go to the movie theaters things like that but yeah I think you're absolutely right. We've proven to ourselves. We proved ourselves. We can operate still You know as members of society anyway. Let's not talk about the economy right But as members of society we can operate online at home jen agency sit down restaurants reopened in Arizona on Monday thirty seconds after midnight today. Thirty seconds after midnight we had some breweries distilleries down here that were damaged if we can open at midnight then we're opening midnight and they were open for two hours this morning at places packed for lunch Are you in any hurry to go? Sit Up to the bar. It's down and have a drink and he conversation with other people Having drinks I have been. I have so much internal guilt about how terrible I have felt about not missing anything or anyone or stuff. I have been so damn okay with all of this. It's borderline maybe concerning all right. Let me let me tell you what my resignation is. You know it's like I'm not. I haven't sat down and watched. I watched a couple of minutes of the game. Seven of the two thousand ten finals like eight weeks ago and beyond that. Not much in the way of throwback but they keep showing you the same stuff you're gonNA watch no hitter. You're GONNA watch You know you're GONNA watch clinching game in the world series between the White Sox and the Astros from two thousand five cubs. Marlins from two thousand three. I know that any. Mlb entity was capable of showing any cubs action. That wasn't either Kerry Wood's twenty strikeout game or five six seven of the twenty sixteen series. John Eight did sting a little bit. When I saw the listing of games for the week and that was the very last one on Sunday I was like who in the hell decided to pull out this monstrosity again. I thought we burned all of those tapes for all the two thousand. Eight cody cody. You know talking two thousand three game. Seven are actually was eighty seven th. They're not even showing game six so showing game seven. You're familiar with the whole Bartman story. Correct cody well. As if I am now right They decided to refresh all of our memories. So they they. Actually you know the problem is like and yest- at work you know if you're watching a game you know you know. Even if you don't remember the events of the game you know the yes network's not gonNA show Yankee loss you know that Any sure red sox loss Y'All MSN's not gonNA show one of the mid Atlantic teams Losing a game that they're replaying years later so I it gets to be a little bit tiresome so you know if I miss anything. It's not so much the playoffs you'll which are awesome in the NHL in the NBA And you know at the. Nfl IS JUST KINDA GONE. Business as usual save the You know a save the virtual draft and virtual free agency but You know it's. It's the one thing that really misses the start abused because I did get to see it start. I had my time to watch hockey. I had time to watch the NBA this season. But it's baseball but I'm still waiting for to start out. Everybody listening out there on the American forces network. We appreciate what you do. Jen Rich Jeff Rich Studio in Phoenix Arizona. Scott on the side of the glass in San Francisco Cody in Texas. And we'll be right back with more foul territory on sports overnight America Fantasy is a daily fantasy sports at for player props and they're are currently offering contest for CS GO DODA N League of legends matches. Choose five over under props for a player stats to build your lineup. The riskier choices the more. 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In Oklahoma he has commented on Jeffords Talks Dot Com. He has a browns fan in Oklahoma. We appreciate you up. We appreciate listening to us when you can get out there even in the godforsaken planes there in Oklahoma. We've got cody well. Riding with us from the Dallas Fort Worth area in Texas. And you know Tom. Brady switch teams. Off-season cody and heard about that. Can you tell me more? So so. So he's he's he's going to Florida is going to Florida? He's GonNa he's GonNa work with discuss this old guy that wears hangnails and thinks that he sip and by the way he's bringing back Gronkowski Rob Gronkowski as Tom Brady off target. I haven't thought of that combination since way back in two thousand eighteen. Do you think that they are truly getting the band back together? There in Florida. Yeah I mean you know and and it it definitely raise my brown like wow. He's GonNa come back out of retirement for this guy I know the the relationship between a quarterback tight end special one I remember back in the day when Jimmy Graham claimed that if he was ever you know debris retire. Well which we know that didn't happen but yeah he's been through the star kind of dissipated what's he was no longer one of breezes targets and he what. Seattle I mean. He's done some things. Seattle and Green Bay. But it hasn't been too much and one of the reasons that you know there. There was a glimmer of hope. Vet Tom Brady would end up in Cleveland. It was even you know something that people hope for considering that Baker Mayfield. Is there guy? Despite the fact he didn't have a great season a year ago. But you know the connection was always that they're going to hire Josh. Mcdaniels Brady was gonNA Follow Josh mcdaniels. That sounds like he's kind of worn out by mcdaniels. Didn't really care for him at all and You know better than a lot of people out there. If you don't like working with somebody every day could be really miserable. Moving on can be particularly special. It really really could be and I think that's what I was. Mostly excited about with his Brady move was the the gossipy side of it. I WanNa hear about you know why. Why didn't it work in New England? Tell me your divorce. Tell me about your spouse like I want to hear it so you you WanNa you WanNa hear kind of a vh one behind music and kids by the way. They're used to be story that this TV station called vh one that showed videos for a little bit of an older crowd to go back and explain what music videos were so the songs that you like and listen to artists would make videos to go with them and there was stations that would play the music videos. Okay yeah then yeah you would have the behind and they would tell you all the dirty details about what was going on. It was like a thirty for thirty with music and bands bright and they. Vh One behind the music. We need vh one behind the music or we need a Tom. Brady Bill Belichick the last dance. Maybe it's all about Brady in Tampa and we just kind of do the flashbacks like that shows doing with Michael Jordan it. I'll tell you what it bakes sports news kind of insufferable. That's the only thing going on. Is this ten part. Docu series about the ninety seven ninety eight balls but really about the story of how everybody came to be a part of that team and more reality yell is that we're talking about Michael Jordan and the way that people interacted with him and You know what's twice you know? People actually compared Kobe Bryant and James to Michael Jordan and we have this This debate called the greatest of all time debate. Yeah what did you? What did you say the talk of the show that we're just one awkward pause away? Yes yeah that awkward pause where you don't know what else to talk about near just go right into who is the greatest of all time greatest of all time. I co cody. Where do you begin on? Framing a greatest of all time conversation. man Well I think for me okay so I think a little bit of a different perspective on this. I I tend to look at individual stats. I think you know when when you talk about. Nfl You say. Who's the greatest quarterback of all? It's Tom Brady. He has six super bowl super bowl championships to me are more of a teams that you know. Tom Brady doesn't play defense. It doesn't throw the ball to himself not to take anything away from him he. He is one of the greatest of all time. But when you look at individual stats then you know. Obviously I'm biased. I started like an breeze. He's he's got passing record after passing after passing records When you're talking about basketball you talk about the greatest of all time and a lot of people say Michael Jordan case closed but then you look at how many rings he has bill bill. Russell has eleven the lies. He rarely in that conversation. So it's kind of what side of fence do you play right? Here's the flaw in that argument. Here's the flaw when you look at statistics is that they're just numbers. That void of context was the passing league was a Wa. Was this a team built around effects? How good was the competition? You'll see Yeah I tend to take on kind of a recency bias when it comes to greatest at. Oh my theory. Is that the best in the game. Right now is better than the best in the game possibly could have been thirty years ago twenty years ago or even ten years ago just because training regimens develop and Trends come and go and inspiration. Is there You know the reason that I think that Jordan is kind of the exception to that recency bias. When I talk about the more recent players I could say that Kobe Bryant played better league. I could say that Lebron James Lead in even better legal and Kobe. Bryant played in By you know who did. They model their aims. After and Michael Jordan doesn't have that guard Oscar Robertson but there was never really a scoring guard in the league. He was the first of his sort. They'll that that's slashing guard type of player that Demanded the ball and hit the jumpers and and get to the RIM justice. Name that that's a dynamic player that you consider great The recency by Issah K- kind of goes out the window because the standard was set. I don't think the Russell you know when I look at Shaquille O'Neal I don't think that he got anything from Bill Russell but I could say that he got his a lot of his post moves from watching Either Kareem or allows one a few years later. I mean you bring up a great two point two about the disappointing I Jordan. I think it was ninety one. They lost to Detroit right. And then they bring in Scottie Pippen and then all of a sudden they went back to back to back right. We'LL DETROIT THE BACK TO BACK. World Champs in eighty nine and ninety. They were kind of that team that you had to get over in the eastern conference. It was a challenge. They finally did in ninety one when they for the finals and they beat Magic Johnson and the Los Angeles Lakers kind of ending that whole chapter of the NBA Koa they. It was ninety one but they closed out both teams from the eighties. And the Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers and they say the Khanates Detroit in the process. The there's a lot to be To be settled of that you know let. Let's talk about rings? Let's talk about your quiet letter. The two rings that he got your one in two thousand thirteen with the Spurs Besting a Lebron D. Wade and Bosch in their Swan Song with the Miami Heat in two thousand thirteen at twenty fourteen. The Spurs also should have won in twenty thirteen but They overcome this giant versus. He GOES UP TO TORONTO Who's playing without Klay Thompson and they lose Kevin Durant in game? Three of this This year's finals. I don't look at the raptors as an equivalent with some of the great champions leaks add even though the numbers would be you know. I mean if you're looking at it from zeroes in one perspective You know all things would be equal with the Toronto Raptors. And you're even the Cleveland Cavaliers. Two Thousand Sixteen with their NBA Championship. Yeah another one Robert Horry. What about in seven championships for three different teams. So he wasn't really part of the certain dynasty. But I mean that in and of itself is an accomplishment. I think you know what was it Rockets Ninety four ninety five Lakers two thousand two thousand one two thousand two and then the last two with the Spurs in five zero six so let me ask about a player that might hit a low close to home. We've got a mutual friend. Cody damned Jake. That said After the saints on the Super Bowl that Reggie Bush should just retire. Because what else does he have to accomplish? Heisman trophy winner national champion and now Super Bowl champion and he was he was there but I. I don't think that anybody looks at that Saints Championship team. At says they couldn't have done it without. Reggie Bush exactly right and I agree with that. A hundred percent. I mean it's A. It's a whole team effort. I mean that's kind of where I'm going with this. You know I mean it's great. Tom Brady he. I mean look. I'm not again taking anything away from him. He's he's a great quarterback one of the greatest of all time. It's not meagreness right but You know just a measure him by his rings. I think it's kind of a flawed stat. But do you think the conversation to have about individual athletes the golfers tennis players even the bowlers versus guys that play with four eight ten other guys on the field with them because when you have those individuals sports where they don't have to rely on anyone themselves than they did it themselves and they're just great because they can just do it this many times by themselves when you get into this dynamic like Lebron James Dynamic where you need to have ten of your best friends to make something happen. No that doesn't make you great. That makes you decent putting together a winning team. But that doesn't make you great. I don't think yeah and I think that that's always going to be. The argument against the on. James is that the polls were very organic in that. They drafted Michael Jordan eighty four. They had to cut a terrible roster and We gotta get out Minute Jeff Rich Paul Territory Sports overnight America. We'll be right back to wrap it all up. 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Cody Bowel Cody we appreciate you taking the time out and it just have one parting question for you before we let you fly tonight. I know that your New Orleans Saints Fan Tell me with this. Great Guard out on the market. What exactly is wrong with Larry? Warford that The saints no longer wanted to services. I don't think there's anything wrong with him. I think they were just trying to free up cap space They prayed up. Seven point seven million as a matter of fact but They went in the draft got Cesar Ruiz Know they they anticipated this. They knew they weren't gonNA be able to pay him so you know rather than go through Any other kind of ordeal. I guess they just had to let him go. Yeah Retailers Mike Lynn Brown CFC cap space and They would love to put Larry Warford in front of Kareem Hunt. Nick job and most of all Baker Mayfield. So I'm hoping that that is a match. Their browser reportedly looking into and cloudy. But I have a feeling he's going to end up back with the Houston Texans John. I don't know if you saw this. Such a rebounder was being interviewed on facetime over the weekend and his number was displayed on the screen. So everybody has trevor bowers phone number. Now you probably already had it though from way. Back in twenty thirteen's kind of playboy so I thought already. He was really cool with you. He was really cool when he was a nobody. I mean he just got traded from the diamondbacks. We're in the Indian Spring Training clubhouse facility in two thousand thirteen and trevor comes in and he like knowledge. It's me what's up to you. I don't remember that at all. Great all right. We gotTA GET OUTTA here. This has been foul territory. Sports bioline broadcast network. Now stay tuned for more sports coming in the next hour on the sports broadcasting where the rubber meets the road actually. I'm not even sure what that means to you. Speed Radio Network Life at heart news feed dot com. This stream is supported by advertisers and contributions by follow us on facebook twitter and instagram's along the public news service daily newscast for Thursday may eleventh twenty. Twenty I'm eric tagged off covy. Eighteen is spreading in the White House but officials are responding in different ways to the virus on Friday vice president. Mike Pence his press secretary tested positive for the disease. A spokesperson for pence says. He's been tested every day and is negative. He plans to be at the White House today. But with President Donald Trump's valet also testing positive last week other top officials aren't taking the risk Dr Anthony `Boudzhi and two other senior officials have announced their self quarantining themselves for the next two weeks. White House. Officials say they are stepping up efforts to keep staff healthy workers in the meat. Packing industry continued to battle with the virus. Eric Lettuce has more from Nebraska many Nebraska meat packing workers who stand side by side and cool virus. Preserving conditions are reporting that the meat they process is more valuable than their lives. According to Douglas County's health director seventy percent of Kovic nineteen infections involving two or more people have been linked to the areas nine meat packing plants. Abby Kratz with heartland workers center says she understands the need to protect the nation's food supply at the same time. These workers are working in close quarters and whereas some companies are trying to take the necessary precautions and recommendations by the CDC. Not all are doing it and we still have workers becoming infected president. Donald Trump recently signed an executive order to prevent plants from closing and keep food supply chains. Moving crisis. Group is calling on Governor Pete Ricketts to move beyond voluntary compliance and demand. That plans install uniform safety protocols recommended by health experts including social distancing adequate sanitation and personal protection equipment and testing along with paid medical. Leave so sick. Workers can stay home and not lose their job over the weekend. Trump said California's plan to mail ballots. To voter and open up. Additional boots is a scam an attempt to steal the November election and insisted the votes must not count as ZAN powder reports voting rights. Groups disagree in a historic move. On Friday California became the first state to mandate that all voters receive a vote by mail ballot while also preserving in person voting options door arose with the League of women. Voters of California points out. That mail-in ballots gonNA multiple security checks to prevent fraud and voter sign the outside of their vote by ballot envelopes. That goes through verification process and valid has received it's lobbed into the statewide system so you can check to see if somebody has already submitted a vote by mail ballot a new study from UCLA found. That voter fraud happens so seldom has to be a non issue. People who are uncomfortable mailing. Their ballots can still drop them off at polling place or at secure vote drop boxes in each county. This is P. S. Main is one of the first dates to reopen hair salons. But so far many who work in salons say it hasn't been worth it. May I mean include hair salons since first phase of business reopening after the cove in nineteen shutdown while many were eager to open some long owners have opted to stay closed as workers as concerns for their safety a cosmetologist? Who WANTS TO BE ANONYMOUS? Let's call her a says she felt she had to go back to keep her clients but isn't comfortable. I feel like a Labora- I feel like I'm in an experiment. I cried about it Tuesday night my first night getting home from work. I couldn't help but feel like I was being put in a situation to wait and see what happened. According to the State's Department of Professional Financial Regulation they're more than twenty five hundred hair salons in Maine. I'm Laura Ross. Brats hellum reporting the economic fallout from the corona virus. Pandemic appears to be hitting the most vulnerable Arizonans. The hardest many newly unemployed low wage workers are worried about keeping a roof over their heads when stay at home. Orders were issued in March. The state allocated five million dollars to create the Eviction Prevention Assistance Program to help with rent and mortgage payments Joan. Moreno with the city of Glendale. Says she's concerned. There may not be enough money to help everyone who needs it today. About the volume of applications and the average payment amounts on those were estimating that that three hundred thousand dollars that we received from this special state grants will probably allow us to help about forty percent of the applicants. The status received more than five hundred thousand applications for unemployment and underemployment assistance. Since mid-march and community action agencies have seen some ten thousand applications for the Eviction Prevention Assistance Program formerly incarcerated people and the families and communities of people now imprison prison held a vigil outside Fishkill Correctional Facility on Friday. To Demand. The release of those most vulnerable to cove in Nineteen Congregate. Living quarters little or no personal. Protective EQUIPMENT MAKES PRISONS POTENTIAL HOTBEDS OF CORONA virus infections so far eighty five of those incarcerated fishkill of tested positive for Kovac nineteen more than any other prison in the state and five have died according to mark Shervington with the release aging people in prison or rap campaign. The vigil was held in the prison burial grounds to honor the lives of those who have died and to demand action to protect those most at risk who grabbed media executive clemency. Without broad categories of people being excluded on crime conviction to avoid mass death in prison statewide more than eleven hundred prison staff and four hundred. Fifteen of those incarcerated have tested positive for covered nineteen. I'm Andrea Sears reporting. I'm Eric Tag off or public news service. We are member and listener supported and online at public new service DOT ORG AREA. Welcome in for another hour of the foul territory program. Right here on the sports byline broadcast network. Gen and Jeff with you from Phoenix Arizona. We are living in a world of sports. So first and foremost the reason why Is the reason I show with wishing everybody out there? Good health and prosperity for staying up with us We welcome into the show gender rich not the best days for you jen. But you're here you're ready. You're ready to kick it. I am ready for Monday to be over ready for Monday to be over. But the end of the day is the best part of the day because that is the time That we fill the airwaves with our nonsense from Phoenix Arizona and next up We're going to have cody. Join us for a little bit. You remember. Cody Cody and little rounded at talk. Nfl with him. You talk a little bit of baseball. the lead story This particular evening would be that the MLB owners have a proposal that they're going to show to the players and the players aren't going to like it and this is all a public relations deal you know is so what happens. Is the owners like. Oh we tried. We tried the play. The players are the ones pin stubborn. They're the ones be hard asked about this whole thing. I I bet you that there is really no good compromise because it's either going to be be safe or don't be safe and if there is a feeling that it's the latter then the players aren't going to want to be any part of it let alone everybody else. Volvo putting out a game. I'm having one of those Mondays where I'm like fine. You don't WanNa play you. Don't WanNa make your bills Jillions of dollars. Why sit in a crappy office with no Internet? Fine then don't have a season. Don't get it. They have it. So Nice. Was about Van Williamson's Troubles surprise surprise. His parents received money for him to go to college and play basketball I got some time Brady Cam. Newton Larry Warford Geneva cloudy to attack a blow and go well in addition to you. Jen Rich Jeffries here from Phoenix Arizona. Don't go anywhere. It's a great foul territory program at sports overnight America. Back attention to anyone. 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I'm joined every night by the lovely jen rich and talked about the weekend. A little bit didn't really get to the specifics While I spoke with my brother Happy Mother's Day to all the MOMS out there little Bumming the you didn't get to spend time with your Madria over the Mother's Day holiday. No I have not seen my family now since either the Egner January beginning of February. But you know we have missed birthdays and Easter. And now what's what's Mother's Day? At this point we already have fourteen holidays to make up when we can finally see each other all right so we. We've we pretty much had to sit this one out but While I was conspiring with my brothers knee he was going to Gilles. Garden Center and Willoughby Hills Ohio to get a flower and Both you and I are both him and I had no one no idea. You've known my mother periodically over our time together but we put the burden on you to pick out a flower but It wasn't flowers that you had in mind when you went to the market on Sunday morning. Jen No I can't appointed him in the direction of succulents succulents. Cactuses for though CACTI for those of you who are not familiar with succulent okay. We'll try this again. You didn't bring flowers to the rich household on Sunday because you were out purchasing a CACTUS CACTUS but A. Oh we'll we moved on from mother's Day flowers. We have moved onto random early birthday presents and flexible ten foot giant bull endorsed by professional bull riding up. Pbr inflatable for the richest backyard full. That's why see that's I didn't notice that that's probably why it was always so expensive. Seventy five percent of it is paying for that. Little Professional Bull Riders Association. It's like not even a sticker speaking of bull writings. Let's go deep into the heart attacks that hook up with our van patiently. Wait again the phone cody bowel. Well go thanks for joining us on the program tonight. Thanks for having me. I just have one question. When do I get to ride the bull? Okay whenever you get your to Phoenix brother the bull will be there and it is not an exclusive Farney okay. Well sounds like the Bulls having more fun than I am hanging out in the pool. So I'm a little jealous but that's okay bullheads Jenin. I over the weekend. He has one at the same time literally three years and it finally was on sale enough where I figured I was going to purchase it and it quickly went from fun to. Oh my God. We're too old for this. It's quite the workout work out. All the videos people I just city happily shaking bucked off of it. We didn't need any. We just needed gravity to to kick our rear ends over the weekend. Hey Cody Missing Baseball. We're about about a month and a half into what would be the season. Yeah so and and I know that We're we're GONNA talk about this but I guess the owners have approved a proposal that they want to present to the players For Return to play scenario. You know the fan I. Of course I WANNA see baseball. I'd rather have a season the no season but I get where the players coming from on this one so You know the MLB saying this is not a cap black. It looks like a duck and quacks like a duck and must be great. Let me go over the bullet points because what you brought up is probably the crux of the whole thing is the fifty fifty revenue split for players and owners Players don't want to think that they are limited to just eight percentage of what the owners get You know that would be a salary cap. They agreed to what the market will bear. And that's a little bit of a problem. Eighty two game regular season Jen. We expected some of radiation on it. Did we not? Oh absolutely there would have had to be unless they want to be playing past Christmas. Okay what do you think you're you're the the NFL representative cody be in a red SOx Fan. Maybe in a Fan Universal D. H. And I could see the pitchers Lumper up to the plate. There's so many times to try it. Try now this weird season. Let's see what works or not go to university age. Where do you stand on that one? I I'm I'm for it. I mean getting calling that for years I think You know I'd much rather see a designated hitter at the plate dinner pitcher strike strikeout so it was never going to go the other way. It was never going to go. Universal donation of the D. H. You know because you guys have you guys like Edgar Martinez and David you know and I know that At least or play the feel feel bit Edgar played the base a little bit more for Seattle than anybody cares to remember some of the other. Stipulations that we have here thirty man roster with this twenty player quote unquote taxi squad. Cody that's That's like taking your best minor leaguers and kind of putting them on standby and then having rosters expanded by five from the way that they were Up until this year consider per one hundred sixty four games or Yeah I don't know about an eighty two game season though You know I I mean I know. This is just going to be an abbreviated season. This show that they're proposing so I mean. I think it'll be interesting to see that next year but I don't know we'll see how that plays out. I guess right right right and you know some of the things that we heard. The All Star game at stadium would likely be cancelled. Toronto is facing the possibility of having to play At their Spring Training Facility in Dunedin Florida others talk of the. There's talking football fact of Vegas hosting the California teams perhaps Arizona Jan hosting the California teams in football. And I would think that it's just like when there's whole shutdown started that You know you go to. If it's not going to be able to plead played anywhere you know at a regular home stadium that it probably won't happen at all. Probably not are you with. Are you with us on that? Cody that if if we have to do any kind of shifting to neutral sites In in early on not just because the weather later on in the season that's probably going to put the guy on the entire thing absolutely. I couldn't agree more. Yeah I mean we just heard. We've we've heard all this Scott all by over the last couple of months and I think that it's just fill the news cycle quite frankly which which I I don't actually mind. I do mind it as a consumer but Dismissing rumor is almost half of a sports reporting anymore and we heard the Arizona Florida plan. We heard everybody gets to play in Arizona. Maybe Texas California maybe nothing at all in California I think what it comes down to is We don't know anything until we know Final thoughts on the new proposal. Cody I mean I think we just comes down to do the players WanNa play. I mean there's they are dental be is coming forward and saying hey this was a way right And again I get it they. This is the only uncapped sport left right and I think the players WanNa keep it that way so I think unless the we can come up with a way to keep that part of the the CPA a intact. I I don't I mean yeah. I think this is going to automatically be rejected okay. So we'll ask thing I might not have mentioned is the fourteen teams in the postseason. We've had that conversation. This is a novelty here. This is a year that you just try anything especially the NBA in the NHL. What are you GONNA do when? Your seasons should be wrapping up. And you still have to wrap up the regular season. It's definitely a wildcard. Try whatever you may For Cody Jen's right here. I'm Jeff Rich. This is foul territory sports overnight America. We'll be right back. 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