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Happy friend diversity, Abby friend over Serie. What a day you went to them about it. Yeah. So okay. So the first thing I I wake up to my phone ring. And it's an I'm like, oh, Hello and goes, happy friend diverse arri to you. And by the way, didn't stop I listened to the whole song and many more. And then was like, okay. Gotta go by knows like, oh, okay. Goodbye. All you need. All I need it. I wanted you to you know, I wanted you to want a little more. Yes. And that I did. And then came over and took a fun of special adventure an hour up north sorry. No. I wasn't aware of the distance last minute. It was just that. I was like I don't know where the hell we're going, and then we show up and loan. Behold. It's a place called fun box your box, and it's basically like Instagram heaven. Yeah, it's like a whole took a fun park for Instagram. Every little spot is just like a perfect picture snap worthy. Right. Like everything. But you're there were different. I don't even know how you a maze of different installments where you could installments. I tried interactive installments where you can sit on things like pose with things and is all perfectly situated for like the perfect Instagram photo. Yes. And we also ran into someone who knew us because someone who worked at fun box recognized us. And apparently, she was like the second you walked in. I I knew who you were. And so when we came in she I guess say like ham, by the way, her name was Pam, and we asked if she would take a group picture of us before we knew that she'd recognized us as we're giving her the phone apparently under her breasts. You owned by the way, I love your show and all of us at the same time heard. Oh, by the way, I love your sauce. Oh, Christine steps in and goes, thanks. I think they're great for Halloween. And she was like what the fuck just like not. That's not what I said. She took it in. Stride and ended up taking a lot of pictures of us and giving us some good tips and pay 'em come over here. Help help me. It was great. It was a good time. And it was super fun. They have let the end like a giant pit like a ball pit. But with like. Fruit loops with like a giant spoon? And so we got all sorts of photos like ice boon to spoon you spoon. A spoon. Eva got buried and fruit. Loops and then like popped out with Superfund. And then we all went to lunch together. How and then became back. We drove home. And then I was like, oh, okay. So we're in the car, and I'm going to wear calling this might be spam. And there's a voicemail, and they're like we have your we'd cupcakes, and I'm like did you want her? We'd cook kicks. And I was like no, I really did it by the way that was not the story. But we were like what are we'd cocaine and so like whatever must be scam. And then we get home, and I'm like, what is this purple tissue paper in my doorway, and there's a frigging like edible Halloween. Edible arrangement like with chocolate. It was called the pumpkin patch package like on the doorstep, which by the way, synonymous with the fact that sends divers ry met and became friends finally pumped harvest pumpkin patch. And I was like oh my God. And I got really muscial because I've never received like. Edible arrangement before. And it's so cool to meters eve when so I got very excited. It also had pineapple, and it's spelled out boo. Like a B pineapple Q anyway. So that was super nice and fun and awesome. And then we did our little our Tober male video got a lot of fun gift ease guest a Rooney's. And Eva was dressed the cat all day, by the way. She texted me yesterday, by the way, an asked in advance, do you mind, if I dress up as a cat, and I was like that was sent to I might I would mind if you did it. So it's really the only rule. Thank you for your contribution today. Eva, I should just as my cat version. My like much less of a cat version. I mean, the cat alpha you've been married for the last two episodes John should have made it the triple triple threat triple threat pajamas. But I didn't know where we were going. So it was like let's hold on the. Yeah, I didn't really know where we were going either. Because apparently, it's an a mall, and so I kept telling Christine is like, I don't really know what's going on. But we're going to a mall. It's through the Dick's sporting goods. I was like happy anniversary. I'm taking you to Dix one of mystery a new fly fishing rod. Yes. Anyway. Okay. So we made it through. It's been an awesome day. An awesome Hala week. We're still by the way, recording the super advanced because we're traveling for live shows. But we wanted to bang them out before we left hanging out Bangemann Bingham out bang. Thank all over the place. Keep on bang and keep on banging always say. Oh god. I'm stuck on this cobweb. I am too. We're never leaving. So yeah, I I'm so happy. And it's been such a perfect day. Thank you for making it so special. You're welcome. And thank you for being my friend for two years two whole years. Now, we've come a long way, we have or have we I don't know. Well, that means doing the same fucking thing. We did do the go. I guess so. But that also means in five months will be our two year with the podcast. Oh, yeah. Right. Are to university. February February ninth eleventh eleventh, I believe somewhere in their mid Feb. I was fourteen Cubans birth podcast Macquarie's. Yes. Wow. Interesting in good about that makes sense though. It does Jim nice to form Aquarius podcast. I mean, no wonder we vibe so well, yes. With the podcast. You know, it's just very. Free a little bit. And then we have a little spat. But I mean, she can be a real bitch. But it's fine. It's okay. It's okay. In the best of her. It's okay. We make a super easy going. He's always there for you at the end of the day, right anyway. Anyway, maybe on our anniversary. We'll do a horse. Go of the podcast. Oh, fun and Aquarius horoscope for down. I'm so fucking down. Okay. Good. Great onboard. All right. So why do you drink or I guess just for the front of her Serie Jehovah? Yeah. And also we forgot to mention that the last came out the day before Geos birthday. So now, I feel kinda bad. I didn't mention it than happy belated birthday to my baby. Boy who just turned three last week. I ne- when when they're listening to this on November fifth, November fifth is actually, Leslie. And he is a good boy. And he's not really, but he's my good boy. And he's such a good boy aren't three and he only three sucks today. So he's so happy sweep bear. Happy birthday geo. We love you very much. He's so much in moves you, okay? Let's. Should we honor this episode for geo? Happy birthday, Jia fucker diversity. He doesn't know. Well, it's both. It's a special day. It's a double special day. Okay. Do you fund to because you were here, and we got all sorts of treats shouting. And I think he'd has thrived office. You actually now that he's three in a man. Yes. Boy, puppy, right? He's twenty one he can drink now. Well, he also knows how to how as of today. Yes. He learned how to how will you puberty today? He made a sound that none of us have heard come out of like, are you ok wild. We were like what's going on in there? He was really excited about something. Everything was trying to tell us. We also received four pairs of socks in the mail today. So he really hit the jackpot. He he knew he knew what today was he knew what was going on. All right. Well, I guess I guess let's let on that. Then baby right through blazing lays trail-blazing. Okay. Okay. So I'm just force even to delete whatever we said because and point out saying that I keep mentioning say or meaning to say thank you for bringing it up. But there is an announcement that I have. Have my official hashtag for my honeymoon. Because it never fucking ends over here. My life is a hashtag the wife. I'm the wife, and I need a hashtag. Because that is I've refused to apologize for that. So the wedding was Christine gets blazed. Honeymoon is Christine gets believed. I cannot ham comma. Okay. To be fair Marilyn came up with it. But still it and I love it. I mean, it's very clever. It's very clever because I really want to hate, and I will say as much as I was like bullshitting like I need a hashtag like truly. I did not need a hash. But then she said that I was like I mean, it's so clever here. Like, okay, now, I need to I guess I have one whether I like it or not while on the other side of the world, I will be at Christine's house enjoying my VIP tickets to the last snuggle festive twenty eighteen I'm extra for having hashtag last who raw. So my hashtag will be GO get spooned get spoon twenty eighteen precious precious precious. All right. And since you're not going to be home for a whole week. We're gonna eat so many bang for the honeymoon is literally this week that this comes out. Right. So you'll be on a honeymoon Nawfal. My puppy moon goes going to be precious. I dunno math. Maybe it's wrong. Well, at some point you'll see it on Instagram wanted to talk about it. So thank you for all. All right. Let's do the the death thing. The death thing we went from like, that's what my parents. Call this podcast ruined. My mom called it. The go story and murder situation show. And I was like, yeah. My mom called it a TV show. I can't see it. Yeah. Remember, both were we can't get the video to play. And we were like, oh, dear my mom's still calls. It a blog half the time someone called it a video blog, and adding a lot of adjectives something that you don't really know murdering go situation show. Oh, also, I did want to save this for you. But and I took a lot in me to not say this out loud when we were all talking about dreams earlier, but I've had multiple dreams recently where you call yourself the broad of broadcast. Okay. I've added another hashtag to my life. So I'm thinking, I didn't dream that conscious is so clever. Listen, I know where it comes from. And it's all the way into the folds of my brain. But I'm thinking like we should use it if I'm if I'm dreaming it multiple times. There's no reason for you on a universe is like Hello, bring this doc wake up broad of broadcast. Hellofresh broads there. It is I'm into it broad abroad. Holy crap. You're welcome. I'm going to say this at the end. Ready B M? This is my. Is at the. Hellenic to think about it. Say. Gonna say signing off your broadcast. Stay spooky. No. That's Jim heralds. Everyone. Just saw the finger guns pointed at me his that was disgusting. Okay. I got a piece I got it. I got a finger gun, and I got a click of the gun. Got it though. I got it for real time very serious right signing off the broad of broadcast. Stay thirsty friends. It's so good. You're welcome signing off like Exo x girl but signing off, you know. You know? Exo Exo brought a broadcast. It's. Wow. Did you? Mazing multiple dreams amazing because I think I it probably stemmed from I'm the bride. And I'm sitting here. I'm. Cast thought you were going to say the new bride thing again. And I was like, yeah, we've moved on. And fortunately, oh, we've moved onto a whole other. Okay. Yeah. It was a promotion of sorts. It is in the rink your subconscious apparently well in my hell. Also, thank you for that and your nightmares anyway. So now that we've just spiraled down that more that you like just knew I knew what you needed, and I felt bad 'cause I didn't give you a full three presence between the balding back and the edible arrangements. So here's your third present your new name broad broadcast. Woo. And we're both little guy. Robert Durst e of us, it's the edible arrangements. Yeah. M was like can't keep having this like Burke feeling like. Oh, yeah. Robert Durst is. Okay. Good. That's what we've become to know. All right. So. Moving on, I suppose stayed dursey. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm done. Oh my God. No. It's so bad. No. It was impressive that one. I think it's a pity thumbs up. Oh, maybe. No. I'm I was just like Whoo. Came out of my mouth for it could stop it. That's usually how genius happens. That's the broader broadcast. No me, and we became the broad and the Mr. broad. I don't know what what I be the brought maybe. The bra the Lord. Nope. The Lord of broadcast walking just the Dushi s thing I've ever heard. Us eat a pocket square. And then you'll be good perfect. Anyway, you've been the broader broadcast in my heart for two years now that is down to the day. So precious thing I ever heard. All right. I'm honored. Well, then I guess this is for you and geo and our diversity. Well, what a day. 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That's drink hint dot com slash drink and use promo code drink to receive thirty six bottles for thirty six dollars. You guys. Seriously, you won't regret it. All right here goes, this is the story of rose hall in Jamaica in Jamaica and Jamaica, and the story of Jamaica, this is the story of Jamaica and while ad time. I'm gonna sprinkle in the. Okay. So in Jamaica Montego Bay there is a house called the rose hall. Take it with. Two key Largo will do you go. You nailed it get to that. Get to that down in cocoa. And. Eva, probably at dinner plans. We're like, no. For eight hours, we're laughing and Eva like internally screaming think I ate so much candy like I'm not even drunk. I should be because I think maybe that'll tamper me down a little bit. But are kind of want you to go real real wild today though on our front of her Serie wasn't today when we went to lunch. Okay, fair. Okay. Take it back today. We went to lunch. Christine was like, I'll just have a water, and I was like, Christina, our friend diversity, and I'm driving and she was like all of a blue moon, and then the large please they were like sixteen or twenty two and at first she was like sixteen and then I was like Christine's friend diversity, and she's like, okay. Twenty to twist my arm. Why don't you Android my lucky numbers? So it was very excited for you got to and even the twenty two as well because peer pressure, we stared at her until she finally caved. Right. I had ice tea anyway. So the rose hall it is an eighteenth century plantation manor house in Montego Bay. It was the home of Jamaica's most famous ghost is the home of Jamaica's most famous goes the white witch of rose hall. Oh that sounds spooky and locals call it. The great house. It was also nicknamed the calendar house because while you ask it originally had three hundred sixty five windows, fifty two doors and twelve bedrooms, thank meant like Marie cow. Calendar like pies pie fame. No. That's my house. That's my freezer. That's house advise actually. Wow. That's very weird. Did they do that on purpose? You don't know. Okay. That's like I mean, they must have because that's very specific another fund number also had over two thousand slaves. It's going to be one of those stories. Thank you fun facts before we get into the not so fun fax. It has been featured on the nineteenth season finale of America's next top model. Really, I'm down with I think say American horror story, and we wanted totally different way. Oh, that's I like to keep you on your toes. Share also has been featured on ghost hunters international and scariest places on earth, which I have watched scariest places on earth in a long time. But I used to watch I used to watch it needs to freak me though. Hey, creepy has voiced the sped up like creepy. Let's listen. Like slow southern sound but high pin? That's okay. That show you scare me so badly, and it was just fucking boys. Yes. It'd be exactly if you look to. She will appear at your bed shoot. Also, like the like the writers clearly like just picked the creepiest words for that just to say too. But so here's the thing. I watched scariest places on earth. And I watched it three AM witching hour. So I really just wanted to die. So I went to. I went on YouTube and scariest places on earth. And I remember looking at it. And I was like how I remember this. Why does this show sound familiar, and I don't watch it? And then the voice came back, and like like flashbacks of my childhood and like rocking on a corner. Machen sound? And now, I'm in my mid twenties. And I'm still terrified of this chill. Just thinking about the fuck do you know what we're talking about? Okay. It's so absurd because like all those other shows are like oh interesting and kind of cheesy and like bagel bites of like, oh, you know, the jump scare this one whatever fucking reason. And you'd watch it in the dark, and I always watch at home, alone and new think you in my mom's haunted house here. I'm playing a part of it. Just for Eva. Okay. We just played a clip for you. Then she's like, no, I don't like that which I don't either. But I think what I'm also realizing why it was so creepy is that it would always read like historical shit like just like terrible things about why. This place is haunted like forty five people were hanged in the gallery. You're like, oh, this is upsetting information. Read by voice. It sounds like adult just grew voice sounds. Yeah. It sounds doll a demon and alien like develop. Yeah. Exactly. Actually, the baby was just always box all of them combined. It was just super spear box. Like fucking doll is talking to you like it. Just sounds Yeary. It's not not a human voice. It's uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable about uncomfortable topics anyway, so distressing. So for you to do the research on that. Because that is rough I had to watch forty five minutes of that. Nope. I was like over it. So anyway, once you're both traumatize it because I don't think I've ever I used to try to describe to people, and they were like, I don't know what it was. So creepy. Eighty. It's like it had the it has the voice that I am magin if spirits bad spirits could talk me that would be the voice in your ears. Yeah. Just like. Ooh. Demonic? So anyway, it's been featured on TV who's never watched. This literally what everyone's YouTube friends? So rose hall is one of the fifteen buildings remaining out of over seven hundred. Oh, no that were once homes of Jamaica's wealthy plantation owners. Great over seven hundred fifteen lifts, and it's one of the rest of the seven hundred plus houses were burned to the ground by slaves during the great Jamaican slave revolt of eighteen thirty one. Fun fact about that fun. Indeed, fun. I mean one way to that is just the most fun. I've ever had so in seventeen forty six and some of this history. Like, I kind of didn't understand why it mattered and if I should keep it in. But at the end will make more sense if I just throw it in here. There's a lot of history, and I kind of wanted to not put this in. But it just helps leader so in seventeen forty six there was a man in Henry who's engaged to Rosa Kelly, and she was the daughter of Irish immigrants living in Jamaica. And he bought land for them, and they got married, but Henry died a few months later. So Rosa ended up marrying another man, George ash, and he built a mansion for Rosa and named at rose hall and a lot of people say, oh, the obviously George named the mansion that he built after his wife Rosa, but other people say that he could have named it after the rose family that he was like business partners with. Oh, rose does different name. I guess it wasn't. It's not Rosa hill or hall hall Rosenthal. Thank you for. Rosa hill. I mean, you're right. Yeah. I mean, I just wanted to test. You got an. Unlike my listening, comprehension, right? So George ended up dying right after the construction was completed a year later, Rosa, married. Another man named Norwood. Let that wait for a second. It was an unhappy marriage, and he spent all her money and then died. So hey, Norwood wasn't the greatest guards kind of an asshole with Lynn. I know then Rosa married. John Palmer, and they were happily married until both of them died seven years later or one of them died and then seven years the other one, but they they were happily married. Both Rosa to Rosa died in seventeen ninety and then John Palmer died seven years. Oh, got it. Got a good before John died. He actually had a statue commissioned of Rosa after her death. They were like really like in love and also she just like people are making ship for left. And right. Yeah. I wouldn't make a statue for after you died because like you'd be the one. Who would appreciate the most? You're not even Snapchat. My reaction. Yeah. Exac, right. Yeah. You get it. I get it. So John Rosa had no children together and win both them died. The rose hall ended up going to John's sons, but neither of them live near the house, and they didn't have children to pass it onto. So they didn't want it in the house got passed onto Palmer's grandnephew. You. Okay. So weirdly, it was John Palmer married. Rosa and his grand nephews name was John rose Palmer. Oh, okay. Very weird. So Jon rose Palmer now has the estate in eighteen eighteen cool. So John RAs Palmer moved to Jamaica and took charge of rose hall, and he married Anne Patterson. Anne, Anne, married him. So shoot came any Palmer AK the white witch there. She is there. She is. We were wondering where she show up, and we found she is. So Anne was the daughter of an English mother and an Irish father when she was ten they moved to Haiti and any learned voodoo from her Haitian nanny. I mean, that's that's where it's going to start her parents very quickly died of yellow fever. Right. When they got Martin they moved to Haiti. Oh, no Anne Anne was left to be raised by the nanny. So she learned more and more voodoo in became a voodoo priestess which was like really quite a ranking apparently sounds like it at eighteen than any died. I'd anti moved to Jamaica. And that's where she found. John Palmer, married him and moved into the rose home got it. She apparently just wanted him for his money and after the wedding. She starts sleeping with her slaves. Oh, my I have a hunch. They did not mostly with her back, by the way. Just so we all know. Okay. Clear. I don't think it was like whatever the male version of a mistresses don't think he willingly wanted to. I think he was asleep. And how do I see? I mean. Yes, I imagine the slave you kind of had to do whatever. Right. But it wasn't like they were cheating or something. It wasn't an affair of got. I mean, you know, the male version of mistress's master does not Kwait when you're when it's a slave. Just very quick even in a right extramarital affair it's like, but it's just the irony. Stressed out so much more, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Degrading than like, massive Astor. Right. Right. So. Sorry. I feel like I'm gonna sneeze in my stepmom the one who through the gos-. She always writes more. When she had more than that. I'm explaining to everyone else. This is the one who through the glass, she would whenever she addresses stuff to us like at my mom's house, she would write mistress, Christine and master Alexander. What the hen telling you. She weird, dude. German thing. She's like, it's family tradition. It's tradition. Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, I'm gonna start sending you mail with mistress. I guess now. What's what's the married mistress? Madame made note like like, you know, you're no made matron matron leave your matron. I know that's why I feel old. All right. I don't know guys. Good to know. Tradition. Just don't worry about it. You wouldn't understand h you? She would or she would like. Master alexander. She was like what the fuck with that. He's like are you sure it wasn't like mistress living doll. Photoed and cigarette when it was like, oh what a beautiful living doll. And I'm like, Ellen has Instagram. Don't write that. So so she was sleeping with their slaves and John caught her and beat her with a riding crop fuck and basically beat her with a riding crop in front of everyone, including the slaves. And so she felt embarrassed that she was getting beaten in front of her sleeves. And so the next day John happened to just be dead. Oh my God. It is believed that anti killed by poisoning his coffee. Holy shit with John dead. Rose hall went immediately to Anne, and she continued sleeping with the sleeves. But kind of did a black widow move where after she would sleep with them. She would kill them. So that nobody would talk. It wouldn't be like a trail of like, right? You would just it. Just Trump dead people. She would just honestly pick one and then leap with them. And people would just see the slave just going. If you get the pattern, and then she's like, okay, you're next and you're like, yeah. Yeah. Holy shit. This is scary. Okay. She just started sleeping with them. And then killing them before word would get out. Right. Right. Right. Right. And she also just started killing them when she was bored to my God knew we were going. But I just wasn't ready for it. It's nowhere as bad at what the hell was that? What I feel like my voice cracked my going through puberty. My God Rinat has clients. Like she knows. She's like I hear something going on Ellen a home. So bubba. Oh, yeah. It's not as bad as the Laurie mention. Oh, yeah. I mean to be fair nothing in the entire world is I mean, it's bad. But it's not as bad. I feel quicker just ripping off amended compared to that story. Okay. Okay. Okay. So she can sleep at the slaves and then kill them or sometimes when she was bored. She would just kill them. She would torture other slaves. She would set a booby traps around or are you fucking kidding around the proper? In case, he tried to escape slaves working in the kitchen. We're required to whistle. So let she knew that they weren't eating any of the food. And if they were caught not whistling. She would cut off their heads heads for potentially stealing food that was not theirs. It was very much one strike you're sick. Yeah. Yeah. She if they lied to her she would cut out their tongues. God she would spit on them for fun. I imagine she decided when they lied. It. Wasn't like right. If they looked at her wrong. I'm sure you're a liar. She spit on them for fun. She had a cell that was almost twenty feet below the ground that she would just throw them into. And then they would there was no medical attention or water or anything. They would just die of heat and starvation. So basically when she just decided you were done. She would just like throw you in like a human trash can. Okay. This is just the sentence. And we're just gonna rip it off like mandate. Can't great one servant who happened to be a little girl. No fucking hell tried to poison her with tried to poison her milk when she was forced to go feed her tried to poison the milk, and when the white witch found out, she beheaded her, and maybe other servants take turns walking out to the water and back carrying a basket on their head with the little girl's head in the basket. And that's the worst gets away. There's one more bullet. When the slaves would have babies. No, no, no. She wouldn't make them tie their babies to answer nests. Oh god. So the ants would bite them to death. So then Antica collect their skulls for rituals. Okay. That's that's that's it. That's the what that's the worst. That's the worst. That's the worst thing. You said that's all we that's all that. That's not the worst thing anyone has set up to the brain brainstorming from little Laurie. But there's nothing worse than brainstorming nothing. But this is definitely up there. So. The slaves obviously took to calling her the white witch of rose hall, and that's it. I would call her way worse than that. I'm sure it was the white bitch. But you know, censor they said that they'd have to get their tongues cut out. Right. So so any married two more times? I don't know who she found that was a tract to her twice. She doesn't makes people do what she wants. So. Right. And also at this at this time in the eighteen hundreds having her own plantation of two thousand plus slaves in massive manner by herself, I mean, also she just happened to share the draw. But she's like the one of the most influential woman in Jamaica, right? Right. Right. Right. She's a big shot. So she married two more times. And both of those husbands happen to just mysteriously murdered as well what a mister mysterious. Indeed, the first of the two husbands. So husband number two in the lineup. He was stabbed in the chest. While he was sleeping multiple times. Stabbed multiple times. I'm serious. I mean, I guess it's not very mysterious. But some people claim that it didn't happen. Okay. Wink, wink. Okay. So they he was stabbed in chess multiple times while he was sleeping and to make sure he was really dead. She poured boiling hot oil into his ears. What? Why? Okay. You could pour that on his fuck and foot, and he'd probably wake up if he was not really did. I guess to get into his brain OSA. She wanted to like kill kill kill kill. Okay. I thought it was just to test if you'd wait. I mean, that's what I think too. But I imagine there's there's like a second you, right, right? If he is going to wake up he won't wake up for much longer after I pour this into his brain. Okay. Got it husband number two in this particular bullet AK the actual third one in the lineup. She's previous married then the stabbed guy in this shirt. He was strangled with the help of one of her slaves that she was sleeping with. Oh, no. Honestly, if that woman was like owned me and like could possibly kill me. I don't know what I would do to protect myself either. I'm sure I mean, what can you do someone tells you? Yeah. Oh, I'll kill it. Will you your family? If you don't do this. I mean, right. And also like if he figured out at all the other people she was sleeping with. We're getting killed. And he probably was like, oh all do it. Ever you want? So you'd won't kill right, right. Right after sleeping with me. Right. So his name was talk. Woo. And that was the slave the chew sleeping with kilter husband. Okay. So talk who in her had quite a relationship. And eventually she ended up falling for a man named Robert Rufford. But he was actually in love with tacos granddaughter. So she sleeping with one guy, but fell for another guy who's in love with the granddaughter of the sexual sleeping with this is the most in Fredericksburg Virginia, dramatic, love triangle of all time. So another version of the story, it was actually ta-chou's son-in-law and other stories. It was his niece. But it was his relative somewhere. There could have been like an LGBT twist is that what you're saying. He could have fallen for the nephew or the I don't think that was the case, I think. Nephew. No, you're right. I I don't I think because I didn't find actual like stories. I just heard in like either a video or another article like there were different variations where like somehow, it was a son not a niece. I don't know if it was LGBT or maybe like just hang on a second. Okay. Might make more sense. See? Okay. So basically she wanted to get rid of the granddaughter. So that Robert win like the granddaughter. So that she could be with her anymore because she's dead. Right. What the fuck? So to get rid of the granddaughter any costs a cost any cast a spell on the granddaughter where a ghost would come visit her and caused her to wither and die. Good that old trick. Yeah. The one I keep in my pocket. Yes. So talk who found out about the curse and his granddaughter. And the story line kind of changes in like, oh might have been his niece or might have been his son-in-law. So like he wanted retaliation. Because it was just a relative. So right. I don't know if. Robert would have been interested in. So in the son-in-law story might just have been that she casts a spell someone related to the guy as opposed to like exactly he was the love interest somehow someone who's related to was affected negatively by. Okay. Got it different variations story, but the most common one is Robert like the granddaughter of okay, gotta gotta go. So he found out that she killed his granddaughter slash nephew, slush on and strangled her to death. Also, she died. She does talk. Taco's strangled her the granddaughter did die. I wouldn't talk who found out about it. He strangled. So this this is where different versions because this is even if you're like, oh I killed her with a ghost, right, right? You could literally be like I didn't do that. While he strangled her, and he wasn't done. No. I mean, if like oh you killed my granddaughter. But it's like she could have been like. Oh, right. Right. Right. Ghost didn't have anything to do with her mysteriously withering away. I see it's interesting. She probably took probably took credit for it. Or was like I probably anyway. So her curse worked as what we're saying? Somehow our Kirsch worked and granddaughter died. By the way. We are on the bottle at least I'll get some after your story. So yes, we'll talk who. Then strangled Anne and retaliation the story kind of varies here. But the most common one is at the slaves took the body and buried it in concrete and burned all of her possessions, including portrait's of her. So that there was no image of her that her soul come back as. Whoa. That is spooky another version, which is actually the version that the tour people say is that the slaves refused to touch her and neighbors actually had to come over and her body in the grave. She was that curse. She was that curse. And they were that terrified blame. It sounds pretty fucking curse to me. So the story that you would hear at at the actual house on a tour is that? Oh, I see the slaves didn't touch her. Okay. Got it. But the slaves did once she was buried in a concrete tomb. They then did a ritual that would make sure that her spirit could not escape it's grave and apparently the ritual was performed incorrectly. K the haunting. Oh, no also during. Him. The scariest place on earth thing. So during the slave rebellion that burnt down like multiple hundreds and hundreds of the houses. Right. That house was intentionally not burnt down, even by the slaves. Then because they thought they were so afraid of the spirits that could be there. And they were if they burnt it down and his spirit would be released from the property. So they intentionally left out one. Holy I wonder if they did that for the other fourteen fifteen wonder if. Tonight, a fourteen more stories to cover right? So others tried and moving in to the house after after she died, but they always either died early mysteriously or they moved away. So they just like didn't say for long, right and the house ended up being abandoned for over one hundred thirty years, and it looked like trash by the time. Someone showed up and one rash over sh- period. That's. And the nineteen sixties former miss USA Michelle Rollins bought the property and had it renovated wasn't mentally prepared for my brain. I've read it to my notes. And I was like did I say that right? I felt like there was like I missed some definitely lag. I had to go back in and catch what you were saying. All right now misuse, I got it. Right. Let me hop scotch. All the way back so former miss USA, Michelle Rollins in the nineteen sixties bought the property after it being abandoned for thirty years and had it renovated and it now currently is open for tours and events are held there. Like, big conferences and weddings. And all that and Christine gets believe. Now gets rose hauled there. It is. But Christine would wanna visit this part in the house. There is a bar now named Annie's pub. Oh, wait. No. She's the she's reaction dot cute. I just think the name Anne so precious. And then she fucking ruined it. Well that at that bar. They specialize in selling one specific drink called witches brew, which is a Jamaican rum and pineapple juice. I'll take apparently people who go on the tour get complimentary, which is brew. Let's go. Okay. Sorry. Waterbird elevator agents, even send it to you in time to us and then ever since then we never used it. It's so fun. It's like. Maybe like next time. I do a story like just to build suspense. And then elevator music. Okay. The bar has rum which is as Ron, okay? Got it. So in eighteen sixty eight. An editor actually published a book containing the legend of Rosa Palmer as the white witch. And rose a Homer is the woman that I want the very first woman who was like Hirishi and English and she got married into the family, and she ended up she had that statue and everything. Yes, exactly. And she was the woman that was there when the building was constructed, right, but okay. So so what I'm getting to is in eighteen sixty eight and editor published a booklet containing the legend of the white witch with Rosa Palmer, originally as the witch got it and nine hundred eleven a book on the history of Saint James area that the house was in was published in retold the story of the white which with Anne as the actual character. Not rose Palmer clapback of Donut me. But like he just added him like this was the right way. So the very first like writings of this back, then you had to wait like twenty years to respond. Not even it was like four forty okay. That's interesting though. Okay. And then in nineteen twenty nine there was a book called the white witch of rose hall, and basically these three authors wrote these books based on folklore. Okay. So what I'm saying is no one knows if the rose hall white, which is actually real. And what do we do? This always say that the them because I feel like people are going to lose interest in the beginning, even say it. I just tease you. I guess you shouldn't even say it. You should just be like. And that's that. I should it is true. Fact, it is in textbook somewhere. It is in three book somewhere there. So apparently, this is a real story. And that I have a whole section where I'm going to debunk the things that needed. I'm not trying to hate on this. So it's just you're playing games with my heart. That's all I know. So the whole white which story of everything I said in the eighteen sixties was the first book about the white witch that everyone had been hearing about all these legends throughout town. And the original person that the white. Was was Rosa Palmer, which actually provides credibility because she was the only one that based on Jamaican archives and Jamaican records of all their citizens. Rosa Palmer was the one who had multiple husbands. And so for them to say like, oh, the white ledge killed all these husbands between her anti shoes. The only one that had multiple husbands originally thought that she was. Okay. Okay. So they were scrubbing. It's like fact like got a guy then someone used Anne's character as the central figure because she was supposedly really awful to sleeves. So they were like no auntie might be it then in nineteen twenty nine. There was another book called the white witch of rose hall where like basically solidified that Anne was the one. And so now current folklore says Anne is for sure the white witch not rose up Dodig got it got it. But excuse me Christ. So God, it stayed Dir STI I can't I can't. So the assistant government archivist of nineteen sixty five. He that's me very specific. He had he researched who Anne Patterson was and if she was truly the white witch, so what a cool job and actual Jamaican records. He found that Anne Marie Patterson or any Mary Paterson's was Jamaican with Scottish ancestry. So not actually someone who's in not someone who moved to hate Haiti later like Jamaica. Oh, so she was born there you're saying she she she was a Jamaican with Scottish ancestry. And sorry, I spoke to she was not ever raised in Haiti. She would've see based on the folklore where she like moved there at ten and then was raised by Haitian nannies horn food. Right. Right. Right. Apparently, she never went to Haiti. She never had a nanny she never learned any magic. And she was like in a social class that would have laughed at magic interesting. Also, the husband that she married on record is the only husband she ever had the only lived in rose hall for a short period of time, and neither of them died there really this is what those what archive say, but like my heart says the ghost stories. They also said that Anne did not kill her husband. She did not kill anybody. John died of natural causes and Anne sold rose hall before she ever died because when her husband died, she had a lot of debt and couldn't pay off the house. Okay. Apparently when they did live there, the house only had one or two slaves and Anne, apparently by documents by different record says that she died fifteen years after she was supposedly murdered and she left everything to our God daughter. Julia GO GO. Yeah. Cool and then shake. And then shake leave everything to you got it. And it also says that she never remarried had any kids and the tomb outside is not hers. Really? So it totally thing based based on actual archives that whole story is not. Okay. And so then a lot of people will go back to the story of like, oh, maybe it's Rosa Anne because she had a lot of husbands. And so maybe and she and she did. And so a lot no one can tell who might have been. But if you're injure make everyone just knows it is any Palmer, and regardless of what archive say, so that's the story. Right. It's the story. But like in Jamaica, everyone believes it. Absolutely that places the most haunted place on earth by Anne. I don't know if you're gonna mention this Billy do know if archives has that's not her tomb than whose two minutes. I don't know. Okay. So basically, it's like do you want to go off of evidence like a smart person? Or do you want to go off of your ghostly, gut which I'm going to do that's like or like what everyone everyone's collective cultural story, you know, culturally. She exists regardless of there being no, right? Right. Right. Right. Or being completely different artillery, honest. Like, you could argue that on any story, we tell so sure maybe not the murder, but years. So anyway, onto the ghost things, obviously, I watched goes adventures. Like you say then looked down. I have a little shame to it. Zach bagel bites. Made some weird comments. Shocker of the century. So we heard about how Anne would sleep with her slaves and he made two different suggestive comments about sleeping with anti while. He was in the house. He was like oh any to prepare for tonight. Or like, oh, maybe maybe maybe she wanna oh, I'm sorry. The exact words were maybe if she. He said apparently in the stories. She would Chitty Chitty bang bang with the slaves and then kill them in the morning. And he said if her and I were too Chitty Chitty, bang bang. I'm going to be gone by morning. So I'll make it out alive. And then the the fucking tour guide was like, do you think you're good at that? And then and then he said, I think so. Of course, you think so so anyway, that was the most Zach moment of the whole thing out of here right now. So out of my favorite little section of our show does act tax. I know where it's fucking words. So he actually brought one of the employs onto the investigation with him. Because apparently that employee has been there for like fifteen years. It was like the please Fanek in Houghton. That's what they said. Duck in Houghton, and he's like this place is really haunted like I don't I've be here. Yeah. And so that was like, well, we're going to take you on the investigation with us. So they put the employees in the middle of the room and placed a bunch of rempac around him. So Remm pods are basically like ups. Yup. Sounds like it if we're being as simple as possible, it's basically EMF reader, but instead of lights at sound so you'll put them around. And then if you ask a question of light going from Reggie green. It'll just make a bell sound. Oh, so it's not like a spirit box difference. It's like, right. It'll signifies with one instead of a light going up burn like, which is kind of scary. It's more jarring than the lights. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Got it. But so they put a bunch of ram pods around him and asked a bunch of questions it actually answered very intelligently and was answering very quickly to it was entering like. I think I wrote down. In response to are the stories true. They got a big a big response. They got a response to do you like being here? Do not like being here. Like they were able to have a little mini conversation with right? They also apparently kind of caught some very very very softcore porn with the because apparently if you true Chitty Chitty, bang, bang, bang, because if this is true, it appears that the white witch was attracted to the employees Hobo. And for no reason, he just started. He was still standing there. He'd like started like kind of like huffing and puffing and like sweating profusely and on the digital recorder. They caught a woman going. Oh my goodness. They heard a woman go my goodness in response to the employees being there. Okay. Wait. That's it. That's the porn. That's the guy said sauce off core porn like in the show. They were like this is what this is. But like they basically said like 'cause he also to be fair. He did look a little dazed. He looked a little different. But like will was he like why was having sex and my head like, I don't understand. He said that he was he aroused. I think he I think he said he felt aroused. It was also three when I watched this in the show. No. But he definitely was there. And he was like, I don't know. Why like it was like physiologically he was like reacting to it. You know, how I feel about this? I know how you feel about it. But I don't think that was porn. But that's just me. I mean, I didn't. I don't think anyone was aroused watching it. So that's for sure. Listen, if we can walk away knowing that I'm happy happy. Yeah. I mean, maybe. Nope. I'm just gonna move on. Let's drop it and move on. So Aaron was intere- room by himself. Also, and he heard women screaming and his ears while he was trying to sleep, and they also caught that on the digital recorder. And they didn't really seem to get too much like that was pretty much all they got on the show, but other stories from people at visited have said that they see a woman in green velvet riding her horse, and they've all seen shadow figures unexplained noises screams voices, they see bloodstains here footsteps and hear music and babies crying. That they see her in green velvet is like so specific really creepy and Anne is seen on the balcony allot apparently that used to be her favorite place to stand and watch slaves flogged God God. So one of gator says that she also one point the medium was standing near the balcony that she stand at and one of the mediums was possessed by any for a short period of time during the investigation. One of the few original pieces in the house is the mirror in Anne's bedroom and people say when the thing they left their no, then people say when they look into it. They see people running behind them. Oh fuck. Oh god. They also say that they hear screaming in their heads. Women. There's a there's a the also see a woman dressed in all white on the stairs outside and inside of the great house. So they think it might be heard different outfits like he's doing costume changes. Would. And then you can also hear running footsteps coming towards you in various rooms that stop at the door. Nope. The custodian that was actually ongoing adventure was also on scary places on earth, and he hears footsteps that follow him into every room when he's cleaning. And he says he never stays past six because that's when the real ghosts come out. Good when he's closing the windows and doors. He says he begins to feel people staring at him. And there was one family that tried to move in temporarily and they brought their made with them and they're made with standing near the balcony. And they heard her up stairs screaming leave me alone. All my and when they found her she had fallen from the bacne and died of a broken neck what holy shits but sounded like there was like a fight upstairs. So they assume like something pushing if you're saying, you're not just yelling you're saying. Leave me alone. Right. Like address another person holy shit, a psychic went there one time. And she said that the bar downstairs used to be a dungeon in actually ends up being the whole that she would throw people in. Are was that fucking hole. Yeah. Oh, no. And she says she could feel and hear screams of hundreds of spirits trapped in the room. She could see them handcuffed and injured and infected and left to die with no food or water. And then she saw bear trap. And so that lots of people's legs have been cut off with it. Oh god. Can you imagine just like how nightmares that must be to like have that assaulting your ears when you're like? Oh, yeah. Walk in there. Oh god. Oh, God, the psychic also that the white witch still guards the house to this day and won't freed the slaves souls. Oh, so they still can't find the light. And they're still afraid and help them and in Anne's bedroom. She like when she went into any veteran. She could smell death and couldn't breathe she said she needed to leave. And she said she couldn't take one night there. If they paid her really one time someone did stay the night. This was back when they allowed people to stay overnight, and he was making tea and he put his teacup. And then he heard blood curdling scream from the other side of the room. So he ran over to see what it was when he came back all of his like, his teacup and Spooner sugar and everything was gone something distracted him, and then took hit it one couple stayed there actually like fought to stay in an actual bedroom where she like slept with these sleeves with you. She killed her husband and all those from with you. And they ended up running out in the middle of the night. They couldn't handle it. Well, there you go. One woman who did say the nine hundred ninety six found a picture that she had taken later on. She was looking at the pictures and she saw. Aw. There was like a large humanoid figure white missed laying from the pillows who on one end from the pillows all the way hung over to the foot of the bed on the other side, and she hadn't actually seen that in the room at all when she took the picture, it just happened to be there later in film. Finally, Johnny cash finale quite a roller coaster JC. So Johnny cash actually lived in Jamaica for six months out of the year. And he knew all about this house. And he says that the ghost would haunt him. We that's how I know about this the ballot of Annie Palmer. That's why is song by Johnny cash. It all makes sense. And some of the lyrics are on the island of Jamaica, quite a long long time ago at rose hall plantation where the ocean breezes blow lived a girl named Annie Palmer, the mistress of the place, and and the slaves all lived in fear to see a frown on Annie's face. Where's your husband? Anne. Where's number two? In three. Are they sleeping Neath? The palms beside the Caribbean. Sea at night, I hear you right in. And I hear your lover's call and still can feel your presence around the great house at rose hall. Chill. So it was a very specific on. Yeah. Very very like on the nail. But so a lot of people say like, why would all these people have all these experiences? Like just because our say they'll like it didn't. Yeah. 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Two and three boys. Okay. Okay. Good. That's our mantra. Is we always say? Yeah. It's family tradition. Attrition. So here I'm going to tell the story of the murder of Lauren Giddings again for the I dunno almost one hundred time. I don't know what that story is fun either. You don't own either you. Okay. So I actually yet. There was a lot of information online. It's a pretty recent case. But I hadn't heard it. And I couldn't find it in many like shows or podcast or anything. So but it is a doozy. Tight of it that much. So this story takes place in twenty eleven so only seven years ago. I always hate when they're so clearly like, ooh, it's like in some way, if a story is hundreds of years old or at least like early nineteen hundreds. It's like why do you think every time we go to a city and do a live show? I type in eighteen hundreds murders in blank. Yes. Because it is a lot easier to tell story that is many many years old. No one living has connections to necessarily. It's like, it's just it seem. More distant. So you can it's a lot easier to talk about when you have your removed a little bit, right? Exactly. Right. But this one is definitely very recent. Great. Yes. And learn was twenty seven years old. Oh boy. I am. And she had just because I know I'm old. I get a ha- said nothing. I said I thought every thought it and the ESP kicked in. So she had just graduated from the Mercer university law school in Macon, Georgia and was studying for the bar exam. She had moved to make in from Maryland in two thousand eight to start law school. So she was originally like northeast gal got it. And then she moved to Georgia 'cause she liked living in the south and it suited her apparently. So she was known as bubbly infectious extremely caring. She hopes to become a public defender because she cared for the less fortunate. And she wanted to help defend people who couldn't hire an attorney. They didn't have the financial means. So she was really innate like to make the world a better place. Basically, she always wore pink pantsuits, right? And she had a dog named Shawn's. Like, my mom. You're like, right. Get it. That's nothing new. She had a dog named butterbean. And she would take her dog everywhere. So basically her best friend said they always use to tease her for being the real life Elwood's because she fucking carried like dogging pantsuit little dogging pekingese dog everywhere. She went in a pink pen sue like she was the true lead is body. It's right. I mean if GIO where the size of bruiser, I would be carrying or not and I do carry him everywhere. So you know, you should see my heart. You should've seen me on the way to my wedding in running through LAX with a wedding gown in one hit and GIO in the other because he refuses to walk in the airport, and I'm just fucking like book in it. It's that's strength. He's a heavy little fucker. Oh, I couldn't move my left arm for several days. That's full like maternal adrenaline. My mom's still tells me that her shoulders like fucked up forever from carrying Meeks refused to walk. So maybe it's karma. Levy geo. He's here with us today. He does not care about anything. No, he didn't give ship. So anyway, as I said, it's a summer of twenty eleven Lauren had just graduated was studying for the Georgia bar, which was taking place a few weeks later and most of her friends there were also classmates, so they were all kind of in the same boat of like studying intensely for the same exam so Wednesday, June twenty ninth Lawrence sister Caitlin. She had sent a photo. So Lauren had gone to her wedding recently, and they had taken some goofy photos together. So Caitlyn had texted her a few photos on our way back from the honeymoon. Like, look silly. We are these goofy photos and learn had never responded so on June twenty-ninth, she's like it's been a few days and she never spotted. So she tried calling her tried texting her. No response calls went straight to voicemail, and she's like that's weird. So after a while of no response, she knows something up. So she starts calling other family. Nobody heard from Lauren. So she messages Lawrence best friend. Ashley who says oh, well, just stop by the her apartment and check on her. So Lauren lived in a small apartment complex across the street from the law school that had four apartments spread out onto floors. And Ashley and her boyfriend Paxton head over to check on her. They don't hear an answer when they knock on the door. But they're thinking she's probably just studying and like not answering the door. But Caitlin her is like, no, I need you to use the spare key tells them where the spare keys and like go into the apartment. So actually in Paxton let themselves in and they're looking around Lawrence not there, but they see her purse, her keys her wallet. And everything else sitting out on the counter, they're like, that's odd. 'cause none of us have heard from her in days. And yet everything she owns her shoes. Everything is like right in the in the entry hall and so- Caitlyn is like call nine one. So because Caitlyn's like, I know something's wrong. So actually Dow's nine one nobody none of the classmates. None of her friends of seeing her. So the making city police department gets the call around midnight and a couple of head over to welfare check when they see that like they said all of Lawrence belongings are still out. They realize like this might be more sinister than just like she went off and is gone for a few days or some writing like something might have happened. So they call on a gut feeling basically called the criminal investigations division and Lauren decides to start a search party. So learns the no sorry. Learn Lauren does not Lauren's like Lauren's like some independent shin. No sorry. Actually decides to start a surge party for Lauren got in my head, actually. Wow. What like it like astral projection? It's hard because. Okay. It's not hard. But it's all meat, but like Ashley Lauren Caitlin, like all the names, basic main very just like in my head, very similar names. So I kind of had a hard time keeping them straight. But yes, so Ashley decided to start a search party. So it's made up of her boyfriend Paxton Lawrence ex-boyfriend, Alex. And her next door neighbor, Stephen? So they're all friends at classmates, so they all their checking the law library that campus driving around town, and they searched for hours, and there's no sign of her. So they have to sit back in like, wait because Riley nothing else. They can like they've searched everywhere. They can think of Lawrence case goes to violent crimes detective and he heads out to scan learns apartment. He video videotape. The search, and it's actually interesting you can see the video footage online of them like walking through the apartments Yuri like geese her wallet her choose everything's there. And that weekend the weird thing was to that like that weekend. She was scheduled to move out of her apartment and into her boyfriend's place in South Carolina. But nothing was packed. Nothing was boxed up everything was still like kind of out spread out like really messy apartment. Like, just everything's everywhere. Say we're like that's weird. Like it didn't look like she was prepping for a move. So he becomes convinced that Lauren has met with fell play. So. Estimators are kind of gathered outside Lauren's apartment trying to figure out what to do next when a gust of wind picks up and they smell something. Oh, no Duff. Investigators said they recognize immediately. It was human remains. And they basically said after so many years on the job like, you know, the second. I think like the first time you've ever smelled death. You just never forget what I would imagine. Right. I mean, I've I've never smoked human death. But animal death like I imagine they're kind of the same sweet like rotting. Yeah. I imagine all bodies kinda just smell the same in their dead. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. But I imagine. Yeah. And I imagine that like once you smell it as a investigator. You're like, I know what that is. Right. Yes. So they smell it. And they're like, okay. So they realize smell is coming from trash cans on the side of the apartment complex. So a crime tech dig through the trash finds a large black bag and in the bag. They find a human torso. Wow. Everyone's favorite. I really was just expecting you to say Lauren, and you really had to like Christina up. I couldn't avoid it. Wow. I don't like it. I also I was prepared to say like if you said, oh, they found Lauren. I was gonna be like how lazy like to just like take a body. And then just like the nearest dumpster put her there. Yeah. We'll oppose thing. Okay. Well, apparently, there's a torso comments only torso. Right. Okay. I was like a human torso. No head no legs. No arms. You was. So happy about that. Look at his happy smile. Okay. Okay. He he feels comfortable too, many is okay. They find. No head no legs and no arms. The body was only wearing a pair of pink running shorts. Yuck. Yeah. So it had legs attach. No, no legs. No arms. Just like just like a shorts were on it. Yeah. It's not good. It's not good. It's really bad. So not good. And remember she were pink a lot favorite yet. So they are like holy shit. So they circle back to learn department because obviously they're like, well, if someone dismembered a fucking body to make torso out of it. There's got to be more of it somewhere. Well, not well that too. But that's my first thought. Well, but the thought was like, it's messy. It's not a like would be smarter smart. Yes. There's a head somewhere for sure. Torso. We gotta start looking for some arm. They didn't find any arms and legs when they were looking around. So they were like, well, if somebody Abbadi up like make sense. That we'll want. He's math. And I'm not looking at him. Like, that's literally what he's mad about right now. He is staring you down. He's mad that I won't pay attention. He just looked at me. Like, you believe this shit. No, I don't have three right now. So a little bit. I love you though. Okay. Yes. You have enough pets over there. Okay. So. Little. No, Honey, I'm not gonna do that right now. Can I move you outside a little bit be quiet now? Okay. Okay. Okay. So they they go back to department because they're like, well, if somebody dismembered her body there has to be evidenced somewhere that they fuck in salt legs off. Or something. Right. So they get out. They're handy. Aluminum foil. I of you. He just wants your attention. He's like fuck view. Mom. Jio? Do you want? I don't have treats he's looking for treats. Okay. Sorry about it. Everybody. Hello. Let's hope elevator. Let's put over music there. We were at torso. Right. But also if you can get like one of his growls and their that'd be funny. Oh, those can all be in there. But then when I was being shooing away shoeing. Yeah. That'd be a fun. Little elevator moment since we talked about it. Okay. Right. We're back at torches. Okay. Really far from him. We're always within my nightmare is one way. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. So okay. They find it. Torso clad and only pink running shorts of airy fucking upsetting. So they get out there handed aluminum they start spraying and in Lawrence bathroom the entire tub starts glowing. Oh, no streaks of blood all the way up halfway through the tub. So basically, the tub has basically been like full of blood and been linked kind of washed out. Oh shit. Yeah. So detectives obviously determined that's where the dismemberment had taken place. Right. And then they're thinking, obviously who the fuck did this because this is not like she went missing. This is not like she tied on a trail while jogging, you know, this is like somebody fucking sadistic did this. And there I thought was this is either a serial killer or someone who is being primed to be serial killer. Right. So then they realized whoever dismembered her body had to have a. Time on their hands. And be also must known must have known that they had plenty of time to get this done because it's not like a quick thing. Like right person must have known like, oh, like Lauren doesn't have anyone coming home that kind of thing. So then they're like, well, let's start with people. Learn knows obviously people who might know her schedule, and when she's going to be home. So meanwhile, back in Maryland Lawrence parents and two sisters are getting ready to head to make an to search for Lauren. In fact, one of this was actually at the airport about to board a plane to make an when her mom calls in his like, we don't need to go down there. And she's like why what happened and she's like they found a body should that's when they kind of know like there's no use searching basically anymore, which is actually really fucked up because they found out like on the news like they didn't know until. No, an uncle walked in was like did you see this news report? And it turns out that reporters were like they've found a body outside the apartment complex and again. Only four apartments in this complex. It's kind of like obvious. It's only two people died at the same time. Right. Exactly. So when Lawrence uncle said, did you see the news? I found a body. Her sister, Sarah said in that moment, everyone just broke them was like, that's it. She's gone. And Lauren's dad. Immediately hops in a car and starts driving from Baltimore to make an or from like a suburb of Baltimore to Macon to go down in identified the body and talk to police, and it's an eleven hour drive. So I just can't even imagine that Dr of just like hopping in the car knowing your daughter was. Yeah. Fucking murdered and put an attractive, and he has to drive down there. And meanwhile, in MAKIN detectives are interviewing Lawrence friends, her Xs classmates, her neighbors, anyone that they can kind of get their hands on who might have known her, and they do start with Lauren's neighbor next door neighbor, Stephen who had lived next door for three years, but was only acquaintances with Lauren, and he was also a classmate at the law school, and he tells police he hadn't heard anything unusual, but that she loved to jog. So maybe something happened on the running trails right with her shorts too. Right. Exactly. And the next they went to learn best friend Ashley who had started the search party and all that. And she says that the two of them were at a. Thirty for the law grads the night before learn went missing. And it was kind of like a last hurrah before studying for the bar. So they had a last big blow out before they all had to kind of hit the books, and in attendance was Ashley's boyfriend Paxton and paxton's roommate Alex who just happen to be Lauren's ex boyfriend. So basically Ashley's boyfriend lived with Lawrence ex-boyfriend got it. So after the bar closed, Ashley impacts, Ashley and Lauren. Both went back to Alex and paxton's apartment with a couple other people to continue the party and the last time Ashley saw Lauren. She was still up chatting with friends and the next morning around ten AM actually walked out and didn't see Lawrence sleeping in the living room with the rest of their friends. So she thought oh, she probably just went home early to get started on studying. But remember she had a new boyfriend. I tell us already. Oh, yeah. She had a new boyfriend who's placed she was planning on moving into which is why they were like surprised that apartment wasn't pack. Up. Right. Right. So the new boyfriend they asked about him. And it turns out this guy was a forty eight year old man. Ages scary. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Which I don't judge. I just I think I was expecting something different. And so I was ready to react in these forty eight. It was a serial killer. He was forty eight year old. So yes, he was older by nineteen years. He was older. He was a guy from Charleston named John capital. When he was a successful lawyer. And I think she had intern at his law firm, and that's how they had met like a few years prior. They were pretty serious, but Lauren's friends said they had a tumultuous relationship. They argued pretty regularly especially lately and Ashley thought John didn't really want Lauren to move in with him. And that's why they were arguing all the time. And then when they asked about Lawrence ex Alex apartment, they had hung out and party at the night before she went missing actually said. Oh, yeah. Alex. And John definitely knew about each other. And definitely didn't like each other. So not a good start talk about a German. What we call earlier dramatic love China. We call dramatical turn. I was talking about not this one. But the. Store you told to call the most dramatic love story of all time was involved there somewhere. Oh, I called at Fredericksburg Virginia. Yes. He did. It seemed it seemed that way. It was like the guy loved the granddaughter. The it was it was that she was sleeping with her sleeve. But in love with a guy who is in love with the slaves granddaughter. Yes. So it's basically trapezoid. Yeah. It is kind of I'm thinking Rombas. Ron misses a five pointer, isn't it? Now Rambus is like when it's like slanted, isn't it? That's is that parallel grim. I mean, it's definitely parallel. Groom listen. I am just impressed that we knew three different types of things that aren't triangles. And that's why we geometry, and that's why we got deason geometry in geometry, and that's why we fail math. And that's why I was not a math major. Yes. Around us. What's around us? Eva eva. What's wrong? This is the one that has like it's pointed. It's like short on the top long on the bottom. And then like connected, maybe why in my head is slanted. But you're right. That is our little grim isn't a programmatic own thing. Rumpus everyone's screaming in our ears right now. There's a there's someone out there who's literally taking geometry right now. And it's like have you not fucking remember shapes and that person just fucking punched a bus window and hurt their knuckles, so hard. They're so mad. It's amazing. We've made it this far. Oh. Cute angle. Oh, so it is the slanty. Oh. This leaky. Boy, oh, you're right. Then what the fuck in my thinking? Okay. Oh, but the five point that is a gram you're thinking of the devil. Silly a Pentagon. Oh. Graham. Oh pentagon. I see what you're saying. Pentagram is five points of star. Right. Pentagon is the shape what is wrong with one too. I think I'm thinking of half a hexagrams look. A six. Yeah. Half of a hexagon three right half six. Yeah. I think can you should just drag them into try Graham. I think we. Down and move on. We all know, I mean to be honest. I actually the only a ever gotten math was geometry, and I did not get an an any other math class. I'm not getting one until you got a D And geometry. Currently has a D And geometry, so you're not alone. Why are you making me? Yes. Okay. Geometry's harder. We'll get by. What the fuck? Thank you. Talking about trust me. I know you're only as was in geometry. Let me have this one moment of saying. I know what a rumpus is what? Quote, templates. You're thinking about quilting silly goose silly goose thinking about class. Quilt class using edible arrangements sticks to prove point silly. Thank you, a pentagram. But a heck hexagon hexagon. Oh, for God's sakes. It's this thing. This thing is what I'm talking about. But without the long parts here. But that's just I almost call debate was like let me just soften the blow by three or five six. Yes. The yellow guy what the little yellow guy. What about it? That's the thing. I was thinking about this. Okay. That's all I just wanted to Justice shape. Okay. I. Just the. Okay. Okay. Shape. Ron okay. Two year old. Sometimes I'm sure actually knows the answer. I just fucking figure it out and master's degree. Oh my God. I'm sorry. Congratulations on your by the life. But to be honest. It was like the one thing I ever did good at that did good at the one thing I ever did. Well, that wasn't like English, drinking wine and wine. One thing where I was like, well mom, I know shapes and she was like, that's not impressive. But I feel like basic arithmetic. I just stop just worked better than in my brain than like, algebra and all that that beyond me beyond trigonometry. But. Squares. Cool. I'm gonna make myself sound like a real idiot. And I already know it too late. In my math class. I got a cold, and I was sick. And I missed the day that we learned long division. And then I was so embarrassed Denver learned that for like the rest of the are just pretended that like I figured it out. But I can never figure it out past like tests and shit. Oh, I didn't. But then like eventually I went to like my teacher like two years later. I kept thinking by that point. We had fucking calculators. I never been such a thing that you were like I can't two years later. I went to my math teacher knows like I don't know how to do long division, and she laughed in my face and told me leave like, oh, you're going to get so many dams like teach you long. Well, I actually went on a date with a math teacher one time and she taught me long division. And I was like, that's it. I've been waiting year. Yeah. Like, it's like a little riddle that like is not also I did not like sell myself on that first day by being like, I don't know. I know you're only by the way, Tinder bio your mouth teacher. I'd not actually track to do. But I really need to learn long like I'll buy you dinner. If you just teach me this one thing. So my mom doesn't find out never learned long division. You're here for one reason. And one reason only I literally never saw that women going after this after the talker Nova, truly like I think now if you put in front of my face, I don't know how to do like it's that thing of all have kids some day. Maybe it'll be like ask your dad and then right, athletes, Gail medical degree. I don't know full ever know. Well, also, it's the thing where like our teachers always said, you're never going to always have a calculator on you. And now we do. We're just so wrong. Such a good point there. Like, you have to learn the stuff because you'll never always have a calculator on you because I remember you apple just totally prove your point taking SAT's didn't even make us like get rid of our phones. It just made up made us quite them. Because back then like you weren't using your phone to like do every problem couldn't Google like what is this vocabulary SAT word? Yeah. And nowadays they have to like fuck and get rid of the phones. Just in case. Exactly. Wow. I'm just gonna tell my kid to Google it. It's a little more. I'll probably just like it's a Rambus ask them. And then they'll get a D M thinks that's a pentagram. I think one of wild tangent. That was happy friend of versa. Guys. Do you miss when we did that? And everyone would scream at us. Always that. We don't talk about scary stuff enough. Look, we we stop that. For a long time. We're in a mood today in our friend diversity. We treat ourselves fucking reverting back to also we're not even gonna edit this out like we usually would hell, no, all right. We want you to learn alongside us. Tell me more about this really positive story re. Really took a lot of knowledge away from everyone. Sorry about the people. Probably listening Rombas are shapes apparently t- rectangles half a hexagon. Pentagram maybe. Okay, cool. Let's talk about the only one I care about by the way, just everyone's clear is a pentagram because these as the only thing about the double what about starve, David the heck's grim think about Jew being Jewish. No, you care about to them saying I care about it. Yeah. But but if you're ever say like pentagram, I don't think of shape. I just think of like worshiping degrom is the star. I meant I know what you mean. I mean, the other thing that you said I hear it not a pentagram owes the other thing Pentagon Pentagon. That's what I meant the thing in DC. Yes. The thing in these sensor so custard? But then my dumb ass said pentagram, I know, I know cool moving moving on. I'm swim. I've been sweating since the time. I know this is the second podcast started. But also the time let's talk about this murder Bank. You cool. So bubba. So we're talking about John who lives in Charleston, and he is a lawyer and he's forty eight ilL. Right. That's where we are. Right. So Lawrence friend said and not do not people day older and younger people. It's not I said, I didn't judge that. I was reminding myself like, oh, and then I gassed at forty eight. I just want to clarify. Okay. Cool. So basically, they were like actually, I don't think John wanted learn to move in with him. So it was like and then Alex ex-boyfriend and John her current front did not get along. I hear you. And it was the dramatic dramatic love love love love wrong. This. It's the most clever office of all time cool. So basically these to all of a sudden are moved up to the top of the suspect list like shit like each other love rumba. News. Never fucking good love. No, they're always so back at Lawrence apartment. One of the investigators still searching for clues he's walking down the right side of the complex when he notices door, and the owner of the complex opens it up, and it's like a maintenance room, and he notices a hacksaw on the wall. And he's like we're gonna say I'm gonna AXA gone. He notices. Pets. Also, maybe that was there too. I mean, maybe all right. Hacksaw got knows his a hacksaw which stands out because Lawrence body had been dismembered with something that they thought was a song. Right. Got it. So the tech takes it out. He looks at it. And he's like, oh, there's little red liquid on it. There's literal blood on this. Hacksaw oh my God. Oh, not cleanup now at a good job of cleaning. So they asked the owner who has access to this room, and she's like only myself in one other person, and they're like who's the other person tell me she's like the apartment manager Peter will. So they're like holy shit. This is another huge suspect. Like third suspect to the big list. So they go talk to Peter. And they're like, okay. Well, there was no force entry into learns apartment and the night. She was killed. So this is a great lead because the apartment manager has a master key to every apartment in the complex. So they are like also Peter super eager to help which is kind of like, okay. Like red flag red flag. Right. And he's also a second year law student who gets a break on rent as a maintenance man, and he says the last time he was in her apartment was because there were some maintenance issues with her AC unit. And so they asked him about the bloody hacksaw, and he says he has no idea about that. Hacksaw. And I've actually not even that I've never used it. But I've also. I've never seen it, and I didn't buy it like interesting. So then they're like, well, this guy is fucking on top of our list. And then he provides an alibi with several people involved, and it fucking checks out. Oh, this guy. They are like super hesitant about it. But they have to take him off the bright list because they're like as much as he has every possible access to her apartment right in this. Hacksaw like he provided an alibi that airtight rightfully so that night after an eleven hour drive. Lauren's father Bill arrives in Macon. And he's been driving for eleven hours. He's anxious to ideas daughter and talk to police about what happened and at this point. He doesn't know about the body's condition because they numbered talks about it on the news. They just said like a body was found at the apartment complex and police didn't want to tell him like your daughter's been dismembered, and we don't have any part of her, you know, except right or so. And so, but he kept insisting like I need to see her in there. Like, we can't let you do that. He's like why why he's like I deserve to know. Why? And so finally, they had to break the news, and this I wash like a dateline upset on this very heartbreaking. The chief of police is like empties the room. He clears the room, and he's like I'm going to speak with Bill and he says rather than speak to him as police chief. He's going to speak to him father to father 'cause he has kids too. And he's like this was he said he told Lawrence dad Bill about how they found her body in the condition they found it in. And he says all that happened was his face went blank. He said this was the hardest family notification he'd ever had to do in his career. And he said after that it was just kind of like he just went blank. And then it was like, okay and hit back to Maryland. And it was just the most like heartbreaking. Yeah. I mean, how do you react? You just I mean, take news. He said he thinks he was just in shock like. Yeah. Being the father of several kids like it was just the worst thing to the weight of knowing you're going home and have to report that back. Yeah. Yeah. And drive like fucking eleven hours back to Maryland. Like, I can't truly can't even imagine. And so they so before he left Bill left a piece of his own DNA. So that they could compare it to the body. They found that he wasn't able to ID and they did compare and determine that for sure it was Lawrence body. So anyway, they're still like hardcore interviewing suspects and next up is Lawrence ex-boyfriend, Alex. So outs confirms that they all went to the same party together. And learn and actually did come over with a couple other people to his apartment after the bar closed. Remember, how I said Ashley like woke up the next morning, and Lauren wasn't in the living room with Rennes turns out, that's because she was sleeping in ex-boyfriend Alex's bedroom that night in the apartment, so he's like, yes, she spent the night in my bed that night, and they were like interesting. Right. Right. Right. So he confirms am. And then they asked him, you know, they press him for like more detail, and he says we fold around a bit, but we didn't sleep together because she was dating John. And I knew that and she knew that and like so they didn't have sex, but they fooled around a little bit. And he was like that was as far as it went. And he did admit that Lauren was the one who dumped him, and he also said he still had feelings for her. So they were like shit. This is like right go. Gold mine of motive, you know. Right. But he said he insisted he's not holding a grudge. And they were like, okay, we'll see about that. Next up was John. So that was her ex boyfriend that she had spent the night with and then next up was Jon Kaplan who was the current boyfriend the forty eight year old. Point the forty eight year old right? So he insisted so he came. Okay, berlow. Sorry. Sorry for not talking so much. I realize I'm just like way captivated into the storm. No, it's usually rely on me for like side commentary. And I realized I've just been silent. I mean, I feel like there's a lot and I feel like I'm just throwing it in your face. So I'm just like in taking it all listen, you taught me all about rumpus. So I feel like I've done enough hexagon. So I feel like I tell you all about how I don't know anything for the foul time, and our friendship just kind of walk around clueless. And I hope whatever I say sticks. So. Well, it's sticks. Believe me it sticks. As I don't want it to it's six in one way or another it doesn't matter. What right right. No. Yes. So Jon Kaplan is the next one that they interview and basically when he shows up at the police station, and they tell him that Lauren has been murdered. He's genuinely distraught. And like what the actual fuck. They ask him about the arguments. Lawrence friends had apparently witnessed between him and Lauren he gets a little defensive and they start prying him for information. And finally, they ask where he was the night of Lawrence murder, and he says I was golfing in California. Okay. As you do as you do as I do as does hall. The fuck if there's nothing I do more than Gulf in California specifically. Right. So I mean, I'm here. So it makes if there was one one thing does it's Gulf in California thousand person. So they're like, okay. He's golfing, California. They ask for receipts. And he's like, oh, I didn't bring any with me. And then he's like, but don't worry. I'll Email them as soon as I get home. And they're like, so Dr some shed on your computer got it right there. Like, okay. We'll then send them you get home. And he's like, okay will till like fuck and prove your innocence in a murder trial. Right. He's like great. We'll do that. So then as he's so investigators release him and as he's walking up the fricken door. He goes, wait. I remembered something and they're like what he goes the night. She was killed the night. She went missing Lawrence set me an Email around ten forty pm. And the Email said she was worried because she felt like she was being watched like, how did you just forget that what? So then they're like holy shit. So they obviously ask for the Email, and he like gives them the Email isn't MO from that night around ten forty and I'm going to read you an excerpt. Okay. She wrote him an Email that says, quote, I can't wait to get out of this town make an hoodlums tried to break into my apartment Thursday night. It was terrifying. I haven't been able to really sleep since. And so that was the Email that he got. The night. She went missing got it. They're like that adds a whole new element of like, maybe she knew something was going on. Or maybe it wasn't someone who knew her like, maybe it was just strangers. So at this point, obviously, they're not any closer to figuring out who killed her and they're like, adding suspect left and right. And like who knows what the fuck is going on. And because this maintenance man Peter was clear because he had an alibi. They put the pressure on Lawrence ex-boyfriend, Alex. And then Alex alibi? That was like it wasn't airtight. But it was like people that for him. So they were like okay like he's not a priority suspect right now. And so in the meantime, they're still fucking waiting for John's receipts from his California off, drip. He had promised e E mail them. But to fuck and weeks later, they still two weeks. Oh, my very patient to two weeks later. No fucking Email. And so they contact John are like yellow you said, you would send this. Hello. And John is like oh. Like, in my opinion, the excuse of oh, the Email must not have gone through. I definitely sent them. Gotcha. Gotcha. So he apparently checks a computer and realizes the foul was too big. And it wasn't going through. So at this point the police are on edge thinking like holy shit. He's full of bullshit. Like, this is right. He's got to be our guy. He's like not sending us the easy thing that would prove him innocent. But finally, the receipts go through and everything checks out, and he was fucking in California golf trip. So they're like this lead seemed so fucking good suddenly dead end. And he's completely ruled out as a suspect could they have been doctored. No, there was like credit card receipts. Like there was it was like very a number of things placed him exactly all over this area that he was golfing. Yes. So it was like just they were really like devastated in like we were. So we thought we had something. Gotcha. So police at this point feel like they're. Square one, and they decide to start basically from scratch in that they start canvassing Lauren's apartment complex to ask basic questions of our neighbors like how long have you known Lauren. Like, did you see her the days before she went missing just like very basic canvassing to start basically from the beginning? Right. And one of the people. They question is Lawrence neighbor. Stephen that law school classmate who helped search for her the night. She was reported missing. Who said earlier on like, oh, she liked to jog. Maybe something happened her on the trails. So they start interviewing him and they show up at his door. And he lets police into the apartment, and they start searching he gives them permission while one of the officers questioned him and the officer asks him if he seen any if he's seeing anyone like in a relationship, and he says, no they ask if he sexually active with anyone and he says he's saving himself for marriage over to. Okay. Is that for religious reasons, and he's like, no, I just want to be pure on my wedding day, and they're like Kay. And this is like. Whatever makes sense it's fine from until they're going through his bedroom and in his jurors, they find number of condoms. Oh my God. Yeah. And they're like interesting if you're saving yourself, you're not in a relationship and you're saving yourself for marriage. Right. Why do you need these? And he fucking admit something they were not expecting, which is that he got them out of other people's apartments in that. He went into other people's apartments when they were not home in the apartment complex and stole them. Okay. And they're like first of all why would you break in people's apartments dealings? But second of all why condoms if you don't need them, you're gonna steal something was more of a power move of like got 'em taking them away from other people. I don't that. That was my gut. But I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't make sense overall. But yeah, I think my gut was like, oh, he's like I was sick of. And I'm going to take them from other people who need them God. He's them. I'm not positive though. So he's like, oh it. Took them from other people's apartments in the apartment complex when they weren't home. And they were like Kay. That's very legal guy. Right. And they're like, well, how did you get in? And he's like, I have a master key to the apartment complex. Oh my God. And they're like, you're, you know, we're here for murder of us against right? Yeah. Yeah. And then literally speaking of that at this point, he's like shit. I've said too much. So he's like refused to say anything else, and they're like cable, you already said a lot. So we're going to arrest you for burglary because now we can hold you for a very legitimate crime. And question you for it and search your apartment, right? So they take him in for burglary. And while they're while he's being held. They do a deeper dive into the apartment in his dresser. They in a back bedroom. They find a pair of panties. And guess who's they are mourns their fucking Lawrence underwear. No. Yes. Sick bastard, then underneath his vanity in the bathroom. They find the cardboard packaging. Of a brand new hacksaw, and it is the exact same. Hacksaw that was found with Lawrence blood on it, by the way, the DNA testing in the blood was Lawrence blood in the maintenance closet. The also found two keys one key to the maintenance closet, which was a master key that went to every Parman. And then they found a freaking key that had been cut exactly to Lawrence front door. So specifically her own no front door. So they start talking to Stevens friends, and they discover this even an unusual interest. He was apparently completely preoccupied with how to get away with the perfect murder. And it turns out he frequently talked with not even friends but acquaintances about how shopping and disposing of pieces of a body in a bath. Tub would be the perfect way to get away a perfect way to get away with the crime. Well, that's coming it. So convenient. Yeah. One guy was like I was classmate of his in like he was telling me how if he could. He would put a body about of dismember it the like weird. He's like I felt really weird after that. It's like, yeah. Wow. It wasn't even a friend of his. Not that that makes any more normal. Right. So August second twenty eleven Stephen McDaniel is charged with first degree murder and surprise surprise. He claims he's innocent. But Lawrence family's like super relieved that somebody is finally been charged. But at the same time, they're also horrified because her classmates know, Stephen, and he was like part of this small search party in the beginning and was side by side with them when she went missing and was like, we'll find her and like this devastating and now they're like holy shit. He might have fuckin- hacked up her body, right and been next to us the whole time, and what's more. This is where it gets internet creepy. He had recently been featured on the local news being interviewed by reporter. And in this clip, which by the way is like famous one online. He describes how kind and carrying a person Lauren is he wonders how anyone could have hurt her near tears. He describes the search for Lauren and says we've been searching for her for days and hopes they find her alive. Well, it's like super sick. Because you watch it now. And you're like what a fucker putting on this act being on TV right again. Remember this fucking graduated from law school? So like when he's like saying, oh, I still these condoms from a neighbor. Oops. I've said too much and like, yeah, sure, you can search my apartment like he's just being a fucking dumb ass. He just graduated from law school. He should know better. He's just a self important prick. Or maybe I maybe he thought if he like decided he was guilty. If admitted he was guilty towards burglary. They'd be like, I don't know. There would be like less of a charge or something what he thought. But it's like that's not how the law. You say. I'm a burglar like then they're like great. Now, we have every right to fucking search and question, you, I'd rather go jobs a burglar than a murderer and just hope that they would stop looking. I don't know. But like if you're going to go to jail as a burglar than like, you open yourself up to questioning for every other like if you were like, I have no idea come back with a warrant. You know, then maybe it makes things. Yeah. Someone who just spent several years studying law like doesn't fuck you make sense, right? It is really doesn't. Fucking stupid. So now at this point they've arrested him charged him with murder, and when they go back through all these news clips, they realize like there's a huge fucking red flag in this news clip because in this famous clip that you can still find them line Stevens being interviewed when one of the reporters mentions the body that they found by Lawrence apartment, so reporters still talking and Steven just like his whole face is fucking goes pale and drops, and he has like big curly haired like he's like frantic. When he's talking about like, oh her body. We don't know where she is. Like, she could be we don't know what happened to her. And they're like, oh, the body that they found in like you realize that he had not known about this and his face fuck in drops. And you just hear him go body, and then like the women's like talking talking talking, and he just goes completely ashen. Oh my God. Just stares at the ground. And they're like sorry K, are you? All right. He won't respond his demeanor completely changes. And then all of a sudden he goes I need to sit down and like w-. Walks away from the cameras sits on the curb with his head in his hands. And it was like rocking and they're like holy shit. And at the time it was like, oh, God is friend is just been he just found out. They found the body of his friend. Yeah. But then afterwards, they're like holy shit. Like, he's got busted. Yeah. They he realized they found his fucking evidence that he thought he like hid, and the crazy thing is that you know, why he thought he was so shocked they found the body. And you're like, oh, how stupid that you would put the body right in a trash can right by the apartment, right? So trash day was the morning after Lauren's murder got it. But because cop cars had arrived on the scene a little early because of that gut instinct of the guy being like bringing crime Tech's. So these cops showed up that we're necessarily supposed to be there. Like we're expected and they parked in front of the trash cans to the shark. The trash truck like couldn't get in passed the house, and we're like I can't reach these trash cans so just pass by. So if as expected these the dump truck would have picked up. The trashcans. Like, there's a chance they never would've figured out. What happened because the only reason that gust of wind that like brought the human remains smell, right? Oh, so he was like completely shocked because he thought like truck for sure took away the trash so at this point. They're like, we'll Stevens definitely our guy. But everything they had including the hacksaw and everything was just circumstantial, so they were like he's gonna worm way out of it. And Stephen and his defense team like had the swagger about them. And they're like clearly weren't worried about it. And so the defense attorney was like shit like we need to make sure we pin this guy because otherwise like he might walk out of it. So the Georgia Bureau of investigation had already searched evens, computer. But since they had I searched it they had acquired newer software. And so they called it like an eleventh hour last ditch effort the DA asks them to run one more test with the new software just to be sure. And to look for anything on his computer related to sex violence and lo and behold when they use this new software, they hit pay dirt. Which is the phrase. I learned they hit a gold mine, and they found all sorts of crazy shown, it's fucking computer. He had a fascination with sadistic pornography murder torture. It's cetera. But obviously again, that's like circumstantial there's nothing there that I. Right. Like, it doesn't relate him to write her murder by any means. And that's when they stumbled upon something else, which was on Stevens digital camera. They found a video of Lawrence apartment from outside a window at night, and she lived on the second story. So the window was like a pie on the second story. And basically a Stephen head taped his digital camera to a long stick and had filmed through her blinds from the ground had walked passer permanent with digital camera and was taping inside her windows with. To see if she's home and that videos online, also, by the way, very creepy. Like, it's just like through the blinds. You can see like camera moving around looking for what was going on to see if she was home. And again that was the same night. She wrote that Email of like, I feel like I'm being watched. And I feel like someone's right, right? Breaking into my partner, which is just so unsettling and scary and like heart wrenching right in April of twenty fourteen which was almost three years since Lauren's murder scene. Mcdaniel finally admitted to murder he says, he stalked her broke into her party in the middle of the night in gloves and a mask entered her bedroom where he attacked her and she fought back. She managed to pull off his mask and see who he was that he overpowered her and strangled her to death. Then he cut the mask and gloves up into small pieces. Flush them down the toilet. Dismembered. Her body placing the torso in the trash bins and the remainder in the law school dumpster and the rest of her body is never been found despite them turning over an entire. Tire dump site like at entire right trust. Like, they had volunteers flip entire trash sites. They've never found. Any other remains cheese and Steven was sentenced to life in prison. He'll be eligible for parole twenty forty one and Lawrence mother. This is kind of a quote from her that I read an article pain keeps setting in more and more. I realized what people say about never being able to get over profound loss. You just sort of incorporated into your every diminish every into your very diminished life. Of course, I think Lawrence in heaven, but to think of her on this white, fluffy cloud. It wouldn't be good enough for her. I talked to a priest friend of mine, and he said, she's not floating around. She's at a heavenly banquet. There's a feast, and there's lots of wine I try to visualize that because that is the Lauren I want to remember. And it's just like so. Yeah, it's just awful. It's really awful. And there isn't update on this from August of this year. So it turns out Stephen McDaniel decided he didn't get a fair trial. Surprise. He decided he's going to use his own law degree which worked so. Well, okay. Represent himself in an appeal. Fucking douche canoe. Great in February. He appealed saying question, the competence of his attorneys who were apparently the best in the county. Okay. Sure. So good luck. He served as attorney. But things did not quite go the way he hoped this is like two months ago. He subpoenaed his own attorneys as witnesses. But rather than support his case that they didn't do a good job. They instead revealed grisly new details of Lauren's murder and dismemberment that he had told them like NC grit during the trial. They're like, yeah. This is what happened was like. That's what I wanted to talk about. Well, you subpoenas S's to say what right, right? So some of these details included how McDaniel told his lawyers he carved off all of Lawrence fingers and flushed down the toilet. Oh my God. That's how he got rid of a lot of the evidence. And so there. He's like shit. This is not what I was planning for my appeal and the appeal is not yet over but things obviously are not looking good for him. And it's more likely that Stephen McDaniel will spend the rest of his life in prison for the death of Lauren getting right? Hopes and it doesn't seem like he's doing a great job of defending himself defending himself and proving otherwise so that is the story of the murder of learn getting's. Very horrible put it lightly. Very very horrible. I do have a horror scope. Okay, good. I was wondering where we would get light-hearted again play. Is one way to put I guess Stephen McDaniel was born or nine so he is a Virgo got it. And I'm going to read you the Virgo horror scope, I don't know many virgos is kind of new dads. Go really, I don't know if I know anyone who's ever go off the top of my head anyway. Okay. Here we go. Do you ever go? You're looking for something fresh to do or to inspire you as the day advances the desire for freedom from confining situations can take hold, particularly if you've recently been feeling to caged in. The need for refreshment and improvement becomes clear, and it can relate to stirrings I experienced in September. But in support not to go to extremes with today's somewhat volatile energies. It's best not to make commitments. If you're not one hundred percent behind them. And it's wise to attempt to discern between reactions and real feelings juicy morsel of gossip seems almost too good to keep to yourself. But you're well aware that it could create some earthquake size tremors. If it were released to the general population, if you're ready for a huge fallout than go ahead spill it, but if you keep a tear self you won't regret it. Oh. Well, good luck for goes. Good luck. Virgo? That's rough. You know, what the best part about horror? Scopes is by the time. It comes out sometimes doesn't actually mean that like that horoscope is still like horoscope a week price many weeks not relevant anymore. But that's okay. If there's a way to look at horse goes from like the week like that it happened it happened. But then also it's kind of like dark as well. Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like this is a better way to be like, hey virgos. Here's your shot for goes. We're mentioning you this week. Oh my God. It's so fucked up anyway, so that's sort of learn getting's. And I remember I seeing on being like that is a upsetting story in this fucking guy being like, oh, I could get away with the perfect murder like buddy fuck yourself. It's like, you would think you would've learned his lesson. Once he like alarm, so Graham, so great. And then he was proven. He's not that great. And he still thinks he's fucking jail. It's my lawyers fault fire them all do it. Apparently, he brought a huge stack of like textbooks like a cart of textbooks in law documents. And then when they were actually questioning he took like five minutes to read through stuff, and they're like, you can't just like take five minutes to like go to the glossary and try to figure out what to say next. Right. You have to be like in the. Yeah. Fucker douche canoe. Wow. Well, well, thank you for listening to the horrible things that I said, yes. And that's and that's for sure why all of this drink, correct? Here's to you. All thank you for listening to us. And also just a reminder again that our Facebook live for them November is November eighteenth start bringing it up more awfully good that you remember? 'cause I never remember. And that's patriot as for patriot. And if you wanted to find our patriot, and you can't at patriot dot com slash AT WWE podcast. You can also find our social media Facebook Twitter Instagram at AT WW podcast. You can also find us at our website. 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GSMC Movie Podcast Episode 128: How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World
Can't decide in torn between a romantic comedy action or an indie film to watch for the weekend. Well, we'll well. Golden State media concepts movie podcast is your ultimate guide to the latest movies. Join us is we dissect the latest on the blockbusters, it's the Golden State media concepts movie podcast. Hello. And welcome to the GMC movie podcast. Brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Heidi. And today, I am very excited to be sharing the Mike with the wonderful, Sarah. I am excited to be here to share the Mike with you there. We actually have two mikes. Whatever we're not. We're not that close. Meaning our heads are not like stuck together in front of one Mike. Yeah, we're not Siamese twins. So just in case you're wondering, I'm excited today. We were talking about the series the trilogy how to train your dragon. And they recently came out with a third one, which I didn't really know that it was like a trilogy series where they ended. I thought it'd be one of those things where they just keep going forever. Yeah. Marvel films or what? Twenty one of them films will never ever end. They never we'll be talking about that soon. But yeah, they will never end. I so I was glad that it was a trilogy, and I feel like DreamWorks made these smart decision to make it. So because otherwise it would just go on forever. And they do have spinoff TV shows. Oh, yeah. I do wanna mention that. So if you look up how to train your drag on Netflix. It'll probably take two it's like spin off TV show episodes, which is not the movie, but they're probably charming for children. I would imagine. Okay. So the first how to train your dragon. This was came out to those ten and they all of the movies all the films in the series are loosely based on the book with the same name from two thousand and three by British author. Chris Crisanto Cressida. Thank you. Chris. It a cowl. And the film was directed by. Chris Sanders and dean deploys to blues. I went away from the notes. Oh, jeez. Yeah. It would be DuBois. But then the L D diplo. It's really say. I apologize, sir. Let's just say with the boy, okay that works. Hopefully, I'll just call him dean. The whole thing. So yes, so directed by Christine and a screenplay by will Davies and also do directors. Kristen dean, I'm avoiding it. Definitely. Okay. So I'm sure that you have seen this movie, or at least heard of it or seen the posters. I have seen it a thousand years, and I only sort of remember it. Yeah. I think I actually watched it while I was babysitting. Children. I I remember thinking wirel- Viking Scottish that is a fair point. I love Scottish accents put their Vikings. They should be Norwegian or something yell Scottish, and they all have inconsistent accent. Yes. Well, except for the ones that are actually Scottish people. Yeah. True. But I don't think like the main character. He doesn't fake an accent. He doesn't like put on a fake Scottish accent. I don't think. No, you does it talks like just like his regular. Yeah. So I mean, it's a movie it's not like they're going to really know what the kids are like I just noticed that they are not Norwegian. There's a spare discrepancy and their accents. I don't think. Yeah. Thankfully, they avoided that situation, but it stars Jay Baer show as hiccup. Oh. I didn't realize his whole name is hiccup horrendous haddock the third to others out there somewhere to other comes on. He is the son of stoic. The vast who is voiced by Gerard Butler. Also stoke the vast is like the chieftain of Burke, which is the land where this particular group of Vikings live also Craig Ferguson plays Gobber who did not really recognize his voice as this character until I saw his name come up. But there are a lot of cute characters. I think they're all very lovable and also America Raya as Scottish Ferman or not at all. Not the accents are really just all over the place. Very diverse group of gains. You know, my main sought as an adult as someone who not looking at it through children's vision is the Vikings are a lot nicer than I thought biking. If you've watched the Vikings TVs heroes, don't go don't go into how to treat your dragging with that image in your head, very, very different. They have all the Vikings in how to train a dragon have funny facial hair. And they're actually just like stoke the vast has like strange beard with multiple braids, and he's also way bigger than like all the other Vikings. It's it's not what you'd expect. If you're thinking normally initi- still at the vast, but his son is hiccup the third shouldn't. He be hiccup. The vast. I don't know barely nickname, but yell uncle or something. Maybe I don't know. I'm not sure maybe an uncle with no children, and I have to pass on the name somehow t. So this first movie in the series, it takes place in the mythical Viking world where the Viking teenager hiccup spires to follow his tribes tradition. Becoming a dragon slayer. He does capture his first dragon, and he has a chance at last of gaining the tribes acceptance by ending the dragon, but he befriends it and no longer wishes to kill it, and they kind of become become buddies. And if you you've probably seen I'm just going to go out here and say it's come out in two thousand three I'm not really concerned about spoiler. But you see them bonding because when hiccup tried to capture this dragon that is particularly a night fury. He then names toothless because he has retractable teeth, which is very cute. And he has a lot of gummy smiles. He does very durable. He captures the dragon an injuries it. And then hiccup feels bad and tries to help him by building him like a prosthetic fin thing to allow him to fly with hiccup helping him and the other thing that I didn't really realize at the time of the movie, which again, it's been awhile since I've seen the first one but hiccup has to be writing toothless to kind of make it all work. So they're very reliant on each other. Which is it was some bionic relationship. If you will. Yes. Yes. And DreamWorks which is really mostly known for like Shrek. So this is pretty far from that. But they did a good job this particular film. The first one was nominated for the Academy Award. For best animated feature and best original score at the eighty third Academy Awards. Also, I want to mention that the look of the protagonist hiccup really just kind of resembles his voice actor who is again, Jay, and you may know Jay from like Seth Rogan comedies like this is the end and whatnot. He's very like awkward looking lanky type guy. He just kinda stumbled around basically like exactly what hiccup. And guesting. Yeah. They really did. I would not be surprised if they hired him, and then kind of based some of the animation off after like how he looks just like how to walk around the studio and just copied it. Potentially the dragons also in this film are of like the ideal pets there like a mixture between like dog and cat characteristics. Plus they can fly and breathe fire and whatnot. But they're very adorable. I really enjoyed that. And after these success of the first film, of course, a sequel sequel was created how to train your dragon to which came out in twenty fourteen the film takes place like five years after the first film and features pickup and his friends as sort of like young adults at this point. And they meet volka who is actually hiccups long last mother and this came out in two thousand fourteen I don't feel bad about spoiler. I haven't seen it. Kidding say you might wanna I'm all good. I don't I don't mind spoilers. Oh, most of the time. I mean, like if we're talking about something that came out last week upset, but fro that's fair because I haven't gotten my button gear and actually watch the second and third ones. I can't complain. You have had a couple of years at some time. But they meet volka who has hiccups long lost mother, and there's also drag oh, bold vist who is a madman who wants to conquer the world. And it's it's definitely also equally heartwarming as the first one the cast is mostly the same except that. Let's see who gets added Cate Blanchet plays volka who is again. Hiccups longlist. Mom, also, still ex-wife. Of course kit Harrington plays, Eric who is a dragon trapper who sells captured dragons to Drago and Drago is voiced by German. Who's who who's who? So I'm so sorry wait now. See I lost my notes again. How would I don't follow along on the show? And you just I just I m d be looking up the actor too. 'cause I couldn't remember what he looked like. And then I got my internet was being all slow, and so I got trip, but darker hair, would you mon-? Yeah. John who do I think? Okay. I could be wrong. What what? It. And also, I want to say all of the voice acting is very good in this film. I really feel like every animated feature that I've seen recently probably all the ones that I've talked about on this show. I'm always like, man. I'm so impressed by the voice actor, and I really am. I think that it a very good job. They introduce of course, hiccups mom, and it just kind of like shows the continual expansion of the world of Baruch and also just the other Viking lands. So they're really using their animators and showing all the diverse worlds. There's like this other dragon world, not just what you see on Burke with volka, and they you they really expand the universe both character wise and also just land wise like with all of the beautiful creations and all of the different dragons, you get to see a more diverse range of dragons and just kind of see different species. And it's very beautiful to watch. I really enjoyed that part. They did a really good job. I thought with. There's a lot of very kind of intricate and detailed animating they have with the flying. And. I haven't seen the second and third. But I assume it's probably the same. I was very impressed with the enemy in the first one. Yeah. Yeah. I felt that too. I think they continue that and they get better over time because technology improves, especially in the hidden world the animation. The look of it is very very impressive. So we're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll come back and keep talking about how to train your dragon. Want to know the latest hot is music hidden the airwaves be left out listened to the Golden State media concepts music podcasts. Keep on with everything you need to know. Pop rock hiphop top, Florida. We'll throw in news of your favorite artist, concert and tour dates and so much more. Listen, no further because this is the gold standard music cats. Welcome back to the movie podcast. We are continuing to talk about these series. How to train your dragon before the break. We were talking about how to train your dragon to again, this film is an expansion on the first one you beat you characters. You get kind of the continuation of the relationship between hiccup and asteroid, and you see that continue to develop and you also get to see, of course, the relationship between toothless and hiccup and that continues to develop and they just kind of learn more about each other. I would say and you kind of see hiccup. Ton of get like, a mother figure, and that's interesting, and you kind of see where more of the dragon training comes from. But not necessarily get it from his father who wants to kill the dragons. But you're getting it, or at least in the first film, right until they changed the whole land of Burke. But you see that he really gets it from his mom, which is very adorable and greatly enjoyed seeing that and of course, voiced by Kate Blanchet. How can you not enjoy that? Yeah. So good. Okay. So I want to onto the last how to train your dragon movie in the series. This is in theaters now, it has how to try new dragon the hidden world, it is an expansion and again with technology just the animation has gotten better, and it's really really beautiful at just want to say that right now. Okay. So now that the humans and dragons found a way just to go habitat cohabitate peacefully Burke. The greatest threat to their community comes in the form of poachers and undo villain. Griddle who is played by f Murray. Abraham and grandma is determined to hunt down and exterminate every last night fury hiccup passed to seek the hidden world. Which is a secret dragon utopia before grandma can find them. I again in the last one you have new villains. You have a new character. Again, you get a new villain in this one. Although I do want to mention the dragon trapper Eric sort of is a villain at first, and then just kind of joins barrack and becomes not a villain returns. And the third one as well. So it's kind of I don't know they always come up with new villains. And then they've come up with new land expansion. In that trend. I will say, but they do it. Really? Well, and again, the enemy is great. And also like the first and the second film. This is directed and written by again, dean, the boys, and it is also again based on the books that the other ones were based on and it brings back the familiar cast. But again, you have f Murray Abraham as oh, the grizzly who is the infamous dragon hunter stoppage. Sorry. Sarah going downhill for you here. All punting the drag. And I know that's yeah. It's it'll be depressing few to hear about this. But it is film. So if you're on the edge of your seat wondering if it ends, well, I'll just this shouldn't be a spoiler. The knife years are not distinguish h kit wipe down in case you're wondering they would not do that to children. Maybe if they did it would probably make bigger news. Also, I do wanna mention something that I will be bringing up later another change in the acting is change TJ Miller who voice tough nut to Justin ripple are rebel. I'm sorry. Tough. That is a terrible name there. One. That's like snot lot. Not law and the rough night. Tough. So it's terrible. Young. Either sibling parent. I'm sure, but we'll talk about that later. Okay. So one of the things I want to talk about in this film. There are just so many. Wonderful things about this movie. The series overall has allowed the characters to grow and change over time, which is something that is not super common in children's film. And I think that's one of the strengths that it has always had and they're changing and growing in a way that is not I don't know. I don't know. It's it's believable and heartwarming. I guess because there are other examples of like characters developing over time like even the last DreamWorks like Shrek like even in that like, there's character development. But this is I would say more. What's the word? I want to say it just like tugs on your heartstrings more. And it's more like genuine growth, I. Which is really nice to see. And of course, there's just more character development both for humans and dragons, which is a door -able. And I feel like I haven't talked about toothless enough to this is a door. -able tooth lies. See like black cats now with kind of green eyes and just think of two. Which is what the media has done to me what this movie has done to me. But they continued to develop that character as well. Which is really saying something for character that doesn't talk. Yeah. But they really have gone the expressions down. I would say the dragons they about very well as do all the other dragons, but mostly toothless also toothless is like the cutest, looking one kind of in my opinion. Yeah. He doesn't really have that sort of traditional dragon. Look, no saying. He's like a tadpole on acute tadpole. But a lot of the dragons are kind of funny looking kinda just watch them. Like, why do you have that weird almost eyebrow? Like on your head a dragon. They have to be able to have expression. So they have to give them like eyebrow. Look and things, but it doesn't like move. Like a weird scale thing. I'm thinking of the dragon that volcano rides. And it has this weird like thing on its head that I'm like, that's like a visor. Tell the son was in. To brow ridge. That's true. Maybe it's all just for practical. I don't just making this up potentially Lucien and stuff. Yeah. Sure. Diversity of the species? But you do get to see some other cool dragons like introduced specifically in this film. You also just have the hidden world, which is gorgeous. I don't think I can say about the quality of the enemy. It's really very wonderful to watch. Another thing that is really a pro to this film is that you probably want to watch all the movies in the series like in the trilogy form, the first of the third, but you also can kind of just watch films as stand-alones you might not know all of the background. But I don't think you necessarily have to which is pretty important in my opinion to like kids movies because they don't have to watch them continuously. They can just pop in and see one Don have to worry about the other two or you as an adult yet, or, you know, like randomly taking your nieces or your babysitting or any, you know, your your friends kids to a movie, and you're suddenly watching how to train your dragging three. And you've never seen any of them. Yeah. I would agree. I think that's really just a plus the series. I enjoy that big push. Because I saw the second one recently. But I hadn't seen the first in a while. And I asked him questions to my friends, but still I was like, I can I get what's going on that you probably will appreciate the more. If you watch them in the series. Can I just say I read a book series? I read number four number one number two number five. And I still haven't read three, oh, there are actually reasons for that. But it's yeah. I think sometimes you can't do that with media though. But I think particularly it's helpful children's films. Not ability. Yeah. Another thing. I want to mention about this film like all the other ones in the series. They're very entertaining. And not only entertaining the very heart warming their adventure stories that the whole family can enjoy again they're Vikings. But like actually no pillaging now, there's no pillaging. So really, it's everyone can enjoy them. I feel probably even potentially young teenagers. Maybe if they're cool. I don't know. If they're just like, I'm not gonna go see a children's movie then. Yeah. Probably not gonna like it. But I would say even a dull can watch it and not feel bored out of their minds, which is definitely a plus to this fill. It could become one of those where you just wants to watch it over and over again. And yeah, you wanna movie that has some quality subject yourself to that. But it is very heart warming, particularly I would say with the heartwarming aspect. There is the introduction of a light fury, which is like the night fury. But white so very creative. And that naming sense. And they introduce the light fear, and it becomes like a love interest for toothless as you can tell by the poster if you look at the poster your like someone's going on there. Yes. Exactly. And in the trailer. I think what got a lot of people interested as you see that. There is a potential of interest for toothless, and you get to see in the trailer the like, very humorous attempted like mating dance. So are they going to have little gray babies? Well, you're going to have to watch the movies. I guess so you all we're going to have to watch the movie, but I think with the introduction of the love interest, you allowing more conflict really be inserted into like the to this hiccup relationship, which also sounds weird together. Toothless hiccup? With with the relationship between those two and again, not just serves like this catalyst for growth between both characters in their relationship and just between them individually. So I think that's definitely a strength again that the film has is really this character development and growth and just the introduction of this potential relationship adds to that. So I really enjoyed that. Also, the film is challenging not just the relationship between toothless and hiccup. But also, the relationship that many Burke residents have developed their dragons, and like volka points this out in the film. But honestly, it's like a relationship that I would say the Burke residents have become extremely dependent on the dragons. And at least I'm really glad they dress that because of you're keping like well now, they just use the dragons for everything I'm really glad they brought that up because the whole time. I'd just be like this is just using dragon. They're so beautiful using them. So I'm glad they address that. And at least brought it up, and it's something thought again. It just involves a little more conflict, which makes story generally more interesting. So I'm very glad that they put that in a little bit more. I don't know dynamism. I want us a big word for a kids movie. Sure. Oh, another thing that I like about the addition of the light feary and the potential relationship between toothless is that also is kind of like a parallel between the relationship between hiccup and asteroid which has been developing since the first film. So it's also again just the introduction of a female character, which is expanding the world just as the introduction of hiccups. Mom, also like a world expansion for the film. So I enjoyed that. And we're gonna take a quick break. And then we'll be right back and keep talking about how to train your dragon. Tired of searching, the vast jungle of podcasts. Nell, listen close. And here this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching, the Golden State media concepts podcast network is here. 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So they do find the hidden world. I will tell you that. Now, you see it in the trailer. So I don't feel bad about that. It is gorgeous it allows DreamWorks to really flex their muscles. And just show. Not only this like fantastical like gorgeous scenery. But also just a plethora of dragons plethora, good word. Oh, thank you. I tried with that one. Also, something that I feel really shows to the ability of the animators to portray the dragons really emoting is there's this the scene that's almost like the first date between toothless and the light feary. But of course, there's no dialogue because their dragons. But you see the whole scene without dialogue and just with the music in the background animation. And I it really does work. It's not nearly as cheesy as you might think it would end up being. So how'd off to them for that. I really like felt toothless being nervous on a first date. It was really cute or loose. Yeah. This toothless without his teeth. Sing that the doorbell man smile. Sharman the ladies. I want to mention a conflict that I had brought up earlier, which is the change from TJ Miller being the voice actor they changed to Justin Ruppel people say ripple, but just in rebel, and again, the character tough now terrible name. Had the voice actor changed. And I guess I don't know. It's interesting because I liked TJ Miller from the show Silicon Valley. But I also think he's kind of crazy. Oh. He was recast following reports of a potential sexual assault allegation, or I guess I shouldn't say potential against a sexual assault allegation. And also he was arrested on charges of calling in fake bomb threat, which yeah, he did call in a fake bomb threat, which is really dumb and in relation to the fake bomb threat and the allegations he's thinking it was he probably wasn't thinking. And it was really dumb your. In relation to that the studio decided to maybe casts what else in the role. And this comes from dean, the director. He said an interview I was reluctant to make the change. But it was a decision that came. He said on high. So like the people above him, and he said, you know, tied to the headlines this type of the headlines last year so in relation to the bumper at and these sexual allegations they decided to change. Dean continued and said, so I went along with it. But it's regretful because he's such a comedic genius and has given us some really great stuff. Preferring to J Miller. Of course, also the voice performance of Justin ripple. It was all done through eighty are which is automated dialogue replacement because the movie had already been animated to match TJ. Miller's recording. So he had already recorded at all which is even sadder kind of because TJ Miller really just really that. Why did you do life choices? Yeah. It was a bad decision. And also the role of tough nab, which sounds ridiculous. Keep saying. TNN like TJ, but what he is ridiculous character. But his character has so many more speaking lines in the third film that are very funny. So I was really sad TJ Miller because I like him as an actor, and he really does sound like TJ Miller. So Justin rebelled a very good job. He is a comedian. And he also doesn't persons. So I guess it kind of makes sense that he was cast in that role to kind of imitate what T Miller would say in how he would say it, and it was really impressive that they went through the enemy and change the lines like that. I find it very convincing and the character still felt intact and feel weird. But that is a very funny character in the film, and I'm really glad they expanded his role. It's I think really good comedic relief, especially because hiccups not a super funny character, even though Jay who voices him is pretty funny is comedian himself in the end. I just wanna say. Overall, the film is enjoyable, and I kind of feel like it's like comfort food like it's just it's like comforting for me to watch like sit on my couch with a blanket, and like some tea and just I know that it's going to end. No that's comforting. I get to watch this adorable story and toothless who so cute. It's just I enjoy it. It's like a fun thing to watch. And I think obviously kids will love it. And they obviously have for the past at least two films that they already have data on has been very popular. No, I think they'll just continue. And hence why they made a bunch of spin offs. Again. I just think it's a great film for the whole family. And the film does set like good examples for the for kids who might watch it. It does have kind of like nice morals without being hit over the head with them. But it kind of shows like the importance of being kind to others who are different like the dragons. Also, the first film to hiccup who is very sort of odd ball character, not super popular. He comes to be accepted and to change the minds of many in his community and eventually becomes leader of the community. So I think like being okay with being different accepting, those who are different and just the power of like friendship, the power of loving others, and it's joyful. It's fun. There's a great sound track to go along with it or soundscape really in all of it. I think it does some very good. And I just think it has a lot of watch ability not just all in a series, but individually as well. So maybe that's what I'll do this week. And just watch. All yes, you really should do. I did do that over the weekend. Well, I watched the second of the third, but I thoroughly enjoyed them. And my housemates got to watch it too. And we all had a good time. Oh, good time was had by all. Yeah. I think it's something that everyone can enjoy and kind of smile with. So highly suggest and you should definitely go. See the third one Walton theaters. And if not in theaters when it comes out and evidently on streaming. Yep. So highly recommend and that brings us to the end of our show. Thank you so much for listening, and please tune into the next GMC movie podcast. You've listened to the Golden State media concepts movie, bud cast heart of the Golden State media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others. Get at WWW dot Jesus emceed podcast dot com or download our podcast on itunes Stitcher sound clock and Google play this type in Jesus MC to find all the shows from the Golden State media concepts Todd cast network from movies to music, throw sports entertainment. And even we are us. You can also follow us on Twitter and on Facebook. Thank you. And we hope you have enjoyed today's program.
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That Time Christine Got CO Poisoning... Last Week
Harrowed? Welcome to you antidotes stories and medicine. I know there is no episode last week, and I apologize things have been chaotic say the least and pretty laughable in one of those laugh because otherwise you're going to cry kind of ways work has been very busy. I started my new job, and it's wonderful. But. It's always that stress of trying to learn how to do a new job, and you know, how to do the job, but you're trying to figure out how to do it in this new system, and you feel like you are trying to run in molasses. And for some reason, I am a complete black cloud. And all these really crazy things are happening with my new patients, and I know how to treat this. But I don't know how to treat this here. Like, a measles outbreak and really really sick people with what pressures of like two forty over one sixty in a primary care setting. And you're like, okay. Well, how do I do it here? How do you do it? And then, of course, at home, there's all this construction going on. And I had mild CO poisoning that I thought it was the flu which is actually where this episode is going to be about. And then these construction workers they keep turning off our water, and we had a gas leak in like it's been it's been a little bit rough. So by gassing his kind of taking a little bit of a backseat. So I apologize. And because of that I always want to make sure that I am producing good episodes with good audio quality. And I wanna just put out things that I wouldn't wanna listen to myself. So I'm going to take a little bit of a pause on the podcasting for about a month and come back in March. And hopefully, I ll have had some episodes in the Bank, and I don't have to worry about, you know, rushing to get stuff out the door every week and take a little bit of time off to figure out what the hell is going on at home and work, and then it'll be less stressful. So I apologize for a little bit of a delay. But it's a little bit of February vacation. For everybody. And I have a bunch of ideas and plans for the podcast in the future. So I really want to implement them when I have a second to breathe clean air. And. I really hope you guys will stick around and subscribe in continue to interact on social media because I will definitely be doing that. And I'm still looking for gas. So if you still want to be interviewed for the podcast pleased, you reach out to me because I will still be recording. When the incessant Jack hammering concrete stops, and we have water again that would be great. And I'm I'm planning to record ahead of time. So please do reach out to me, you know, follow us on Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and Email me at antidotes podcasts at Djamil dot com. All of that stuff. All right. So let me tell you about this little bit of craziness that happened and kind of this revelation that I had as a result of it that is related to medicine and actually related to, but my EMS career and kind of brought up this this case that I had obviously I remembered, but didn't realize was still affecting me. So I have been alluding to what happened last week in our house, and I really want to talk about this not so much to Airdrie laundry, but I feel like families have had issues like this. And I I talk a lot about having done kinda difficult cases, and the experiences that we go through an EMS or in medicine in kind of how they impact our careers in medicine and how they stick with you. But sometimes that. Carries over into your normal life, or you think you're super aware of something and you can get blindsided as well. So so instead of having a special guest talk about their career in medicine, the guest issues this week is James my boyfriend, not James former EMT partner, James whose voice you probably heard. If you listen to you are like pre procedural clearance episode, which I don't recommend listening. Please don't go back to that. He did the introduction, and then has not really made much of an appearance since I guess, welcome back to part of the podcast that you are kind of part of. But don't really listen to. Hi, christine. How are you? I'm good. First of all, I would like to say, I am special guests special to your heart. And hey, cutting that part out. Oh, but it is. It's great to be here. I think what we're gonna discuss is certainly something that should be known to the audience, and that is like you said has happened to many families, and we we should just get right into it. God I feel like we're being really dramatic. Okay. We rent this town house, and we had all this construction going on underneath of our this little bit backstory. This may be boring. I'm sorry. We had all this construction going on underneath of our townhouse. We didn't really know what was going to happen. They start replacing all these concrete beams. So there's all drilling in their it. It's like a scene from Monty python? Monty python the holy grail. When they're like, building the Trojan rabbit and us here often descends all his horrible, horrible, construction noise. It was just going on for like weeks, and we started getting like all of this dust everywhere. And it was my God. We're this has been like a nightmare. It was all over the place was in our kitchen. It was around the TV. We have two windows out front, and it was just such an important part while it was Super Bowl weekend, very import. But just in front of or two windows. We had a nice thick layer of concrete dust, those kicked up in our lungs to. Yeah. Big problem. So like, oh my God. This this is not a dust podcast. So boring. But the dust matters because we have this really old guest oven, and we're cooking and this has been going on for weeks, and we start to get this really powerful smell of gas. When we're cooking sometimes. And we're like this is weird. Okay. Maybe we're just I don't know we've blow it off like it's not all the time. It's just when we turned the stove on pre heating it like it smells weird. So I don't know when but I think at some point we were like we should buy more smoke detectors for the apartment. I I remember when you suggest this we had just gone. We're about to go to bed, and we were laying in bed, and you said do we have CO detectors, and we actually we have one we have a smoke detector in the hallway, but we don't not a combo. It's not a combo and we did have CO detectors. Why was I being paranoid laying in bed going I fire safety. I don't know because we were talking about one thing. And then you brought that up. Nowhere. So the no I think I think it was because we're talking about the time that in a previous life. I came home drunk at two AM and decided to test all the smoke detectors in my apartment. Yes. That was it. And then I was like, I don't think we have any here. And turns out we didn't we we had one that was hard wired to the house. And it was oh there was only upstairs. So we're like, oh, this is not good. So she mentioned that and honestly probably vote. I don't know a few days later, I went on Amazon and ordered to CO detectors. They were just the everybody twenty twenty five dollars Amazon seller's choice. We bought smoke detectors. They were delivered. And to be honest. I really didn't stall them to about two weeks later. Yes. One would put one near the kitchen, and then we put one in our bedroom. So it's a two floor like townhouse so one on one. It's it's not very big live. Indie. See there's not a lot of space to be had so one on just floor. It just happens that the few days before with this whole incident happened was when we install these CO detectors, so I start my new job as I've been saying and everything's really crazy. And I work really late on Tuesdays. Except for some reason there is a dusting of snow and they decided to close work early. Because all of these shut down. I'm so tired from. They scheduled me for overtime. And I was like still like learning everything and just exhausted. I think I was also coming down with like a little bit of a cold. And so I I'm just like not feeling like a hundred percent. And so I get home, and I just walk in the door and the him just like, I don't feel that great. And then you are going to make dinner you I came in and thought you had you tell you were getting the flu because it is flu season. Well, again, of course, I've treated like a bunch of people the flu. This was a weird day too. Because you know, it's DC in Virginia. Once you get a little bit of snow, everything is closed. So usually on Tuesday nights. I'm not home school. I felt like I did. I definitely had a little bit of ours. So I just haven't be home on this Tuesday night as well. Right. And you're like, oh, I'm going to cook something which James is a world renowned ship. Yes. If you like salmon green beans, I'm your guy. That's it. Yeah. So you decide to start cooking in your like heating of it. And you're all this stuff. And I was like I'm gonna go lay down and read or whatever while you're making dinner, which is like, hey, cool. You make dinner. And so the flu comes on normal. Flu presentation is all of a sudden hit by a truck. That's like one of the questions that I asked him. I have someone is like did it come on really fast. And you feel like you got hit by a truck. And that's what this felt like, wow, I'm super super tired, and this really sore throat and this year's flu has been sore throat. And I just feel like I don't wanna do anything and like a little bit of a cough, and I'm kinda dizzy and I went upstairs because I'm always cold. And I was having chills as well. So the he was on the Heat's much warmer in our upstairs. So everything's warmer upstairs. I was chilling in bed. Just not feeling good. And you're downstairs Kokin away. Do you wanna tell this part? So i'm. Down to. So I'm done with the kitchen cooking. And all of a sudden our CO detectors start going off. I I think I think what happened was you asked me like, hey, why is the detector going off? And I I I think I said what is that alarm? You said what does that alarm? And I basically I just blew it off. And I the first thing I thought it was like, oh, did I buy the cheap CO detectors, the ones out of Amazon. Like I start I start scrolling through the Amazon comments seeing if there's any factory or software like fuck. What's the word for defects in it in the and I'm like fuck, I got the cheap ones. Yeah. Christina's like, no James, the CO detectors going off we have carbon monoxide, and I clearly was disregarded her. I mean, this was over like. Maybe like an hour and a half to because I was like what's that alarm? And you're like, I don't know. I think it's the smoke Scheckter's. And I was like okay because they they chirp like once or twice, and they get more frequent more CO there is and I was just upstairs, and it was like are you gonna check it? And meanwhile, you're downstairs still cooking and your checking something just not the detectors. You're just checking to see if their faulty on Amazon, and the way we problems all things is completely different. I'm gonna talk about CO poisoning from very medical standpoint. And the physiology of it and the treatment of it, and I'm going to deep dive into it after Dame's NITEL the story. I don't usually do medical education on the podcast. But why not just think it'd be kind of interesting, and I learned a lot about it more than I knew. And I figured I would share it on this platform, but CO rises with air. It's almost the same density as air. So as warm air rises, so does CO. So I was sitting upstairs where it was much warmer. The CO that was being produced by the stove, which will get into in a second was rising. And so there was much higher levels of CO in the bedroom. And I'm not sure why the alarm in the bedroom was not. Going off do think there's something wrong with that one because the batteries just kind of kept falling out. But that's a problem. So anyway, so about after like an hour of his just Turpin and me going wise this still chirping. I come no stairs. And you're still cooking. And I was one thought I had the flu. So it was pretty grumpy anyways. And was just like why the fuck haven't. We check this. And I check the CO two actor it says that we're almost one hundred parts per million of CO. And so I'm like well. Well, we maybe just too close to stoke we installed the or install the detector kinda just on the outside the kitchen to. So I actually thought it was like, oh, it's just too close to the stove. That's why it's picking up such anyways. We both got that. And that was not true. But we like, okay. 'cause no one wants to be like we have a CO problem or we have a gas leak or something's going on like usually like CEO's produced by combustion. So you think like I'm not running a car in my living room? Like, you know, obviously the stove is on. But you you you don't think of the worst case scenario right away. So we turn off the oven. And we start ventilating it. And then we see the numbers on the the detectors going down. And and then that was it. We of actually we did cook dinner a little bit longer. But all the windows were open. All the fans are open in everything was fine. And then magically I felt better. But I was feeling like really really lethargic. I was feeling really dizzy, and I was attributing it to the flu. And I would kept checking my temperature actually upstairs, and I didn't have a fever. And I kept saying you like this has really feel like the flu like the body aches. I feel really exhausted feel right for the flu. But maybe he was. Because I had the flu shot that doesn't feel as bad as it should be. Or maybe that's why I don't have a fever because I was thinking about oh, should I call it work tomorrow? So we didn't really think anything of it. And then two nights later, we were cooking again, and we're laying in bed. And then if yours later this year alarms going off upstairs in the bedroom. And then again like, oh, they must be faulty again. And I'm like, no, we need we need to check. The. He's like, we can't just assume the CO alarms are not right. And again, we've adulated apartment, and we put on a bunch of fans, and it was actually really low level this time and the stove was off. So it was okay. There is no symptoms that time so come to find out because of all this concrete dust it had gotten into our oven and his settled honor burners and 'cause the burners to not burn well. And when the burgers were on it was burning the natural gas, really inefficiently and producing really high levels of CO carbon monoxide in our partners pretty small, and so that's what was happening. So basically, we haven't had to turn our gas off at the stove, and we can't use our for a while. And we're we have to guess. Russell Stover to replace it. And it's just it's been this whole nightmare that all being said on Saturday night after we had the gas company coming out at midnight because we're getting more CO alarms after touring the on a gun and figuring this whole thing out. I was pretty frustrated. And also just kind of like it was dawning on me that what Tuesday really was and that it was not the flu. And that I actually had pretty mild CO poisoning. I was pretty pissed off and also just really terrified. And I kind of expressed that to you and not again, not to really era, dirty laundry. But I I want to kind of talk about this on the podcast just because again, I feel like other couples where one person has worked in medicine in one person has not have had this experience have had maybe arguments like this James you wanna maybe say your side of this a little bit. So we have gas coming to come out Saturday night, and they shut off our gas. And they basically. Tolls was going on our burners messed up so event without Stover cents. And then I've nine of us hadn't really eaten in jars. So decided to go out and get McDonalds and on the way back. I don't even. Okay. Of course. And on our way back or actually will get back. We got into a bit of a bit of a flight what it is. And I was very angry Christine, honestly is probably the biggest fight. We've ever had edit. It just it just started devolve. Ing real quick. I was really concerned that I had the opening and I didn't know about it. I yeah. And you blew it off. I was expressing to you just my concerns that you weren't taking it seriously. And you didn't really understand why I was upset about that. Yeah. I I wasn't aware of the obviously CO poisoning his bad thing. But I I wasn't aware of how bad could be and and one. Of the symptoms and Christine cops speak more about this is anger. And after we got into our argument. I was very angry. Also that night you tried to cook again. And then also I try to I try to cook again. I I was just testing stove out and two hours later and Christine came home. Our CEO detector went off because I took the batteries out. 'cause this is annoying me going off. Yeah. It was going off. It was annoy me I had a window open. But. Stupid me. But. So I was I was very frustrated, and I expressed that frustration, and I I think as far as our disagreements go, I think I would like to say that I just like really exasperated in a not like yelling. But I think you just understand is coming from an you took it a little bit more personally than I meant it agree, and it got kinda heated. Unlike our stove put him ch-. And there was just this huge disconnect. And then so in this whole disagreement. I all like all of a sudden, I just kind of looked at you. And I was like I've seen somebody die from this. How do you not take the seriously I saw somebody dropped dead from this and all of us in the conversation changed, and you kinda just look to me like what? And then I I realized like I didn't know all these entire week. I had been like freaking out about CO about carbon monoxide being in our house because I had seen somebody from a call ten years ago die from carbon monoxide poisoning from fire. And I I was just flipping out. And then that whole day when it was really thinking in Africa found out what was going on it was causing it. And like the reality that I could have died and that James could have died and. We had been kind of ignoring it it like this whole memory was kind of like just in my subconscious, and I had no idea, and it was just kind of haunting me when we were when you told me that story for one that was a moment. I felt like the biggest asshole in the world. And surly. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. No. I mean, you start telling me the details of story, and that that was the moment. And you have a lot of you have a lot more. Obviously you work in medicine. You have stories you. I there is a point. I I just didn't understand. I didn't know the story beforehand. I didn't put the dots together. But after you start explaining this to what happened in why why this moment in time st- just stick out for you. That's realize Otit. I'ma fucking idiot. I need to take things a little more seriously. So I'm gonna tell the story. But I mean, like, I don't mean to say that like every moment in life should be living lived in fear right there. When you've done a job like like EMS, especially when you've been a firefighter when you've been a cop. There are just like certain things that you just hold with you. And you don't even realize it. I think this is probably one of the first moments for me that. It really stuck out that this this thing that I thought didn't bother me really hit home in a moment when I wasn't expecting it. Two of. So the story is about ten years ago. It was in the it was in the winter backup in Massachusetts. And it was really really cold day. It was one of those like super super chill days like below zero Fahrenheit. And there was a house fire, and we were actually not even the first truck on scene. There was a there is another track there, and this house was like fully engulfed and the first ambulance. There was treating this guy who is middle aged. And they said that he was outside talking to them in the backyard without shoes on in the snow because it's Massachusetts in the winter. And there's just snow everywhere earliest there was this winter, and he all of a sudden he just got really combative. And then he went into cardiac arrest, and he was dead. And that was it like they just couldn't bring him back. And this entire house is just a fully in Gulf. I mean, this was. Multi alarm fire and in the city like response times are very very quick here. This wasn't like no one could get get there. They didn't know about it. Like, they got notified very fast. The the station was like couple streets away. I think it was very much hindered. Actually, we ended up finding get into that later. But it was hindered by fire heart's not being shell. Without? There was a lot of snow that you're so this crew and another we're working cardiac arrest for this first guy. So we get called in actually as the third ambulance. The house is sitting on a hill, and because of the weather and the hill and just all the water for putting out the fire. It's solid ice going up the hill in we had to park at the bottom of this hill and come up, and for some reason, so I wear contacts in for some reason wearing glasses that day. Maybe I was really poor Ray out on my context. I don't know wiring glasses, but I was I never ever ever wear glasses specially to work. I remember get a coming up. This big hill was full of ice with my partner and everything the whole second story was in fire, and there's this large porch kind of overhanging the front door and the fire department carries out a body that is very very badly burned. And they basically just throw her in a snowbank right out of the front door. And it's almost under this. The second story porch is fully engulfed. And so I'm not a firefighter. I'm not wearing any gear. I think they gave us some shitty like helmets that were supposed to be wearing. But like one they look stupid like if a porch is gonna fall on you, like, whatever is not gonna be that hopeful. I mean, maybe for like a little bit of debris and stuff, but should been wearing it. Yeah. Maybe I don't know where it was. Anyway. So we, of course, the fire department all lieutenants in whomever. Was in charge. There's lines running everywhere. Like get her out of the way. Get our the way we gotta run more lines. And of course, Purnell it will you fuckers put her here. Like, we gotta get her. So I remember I put my gloves on and we go to log roll hers. I put one hand on her hip and one hand on her shoulder as we're putting along board underneath the back of our in in this big snow Bank in I go to roll her and my hand on her hip just pose away burnt skin in her skit, her skin just comes off in my hand, it was burned. And so I just throw it on the ground we roller in the we get her on there. And we get her on the stretcher, and I had known that. There was another cardiac arrest I had heard on the radio that like, oh, yeah, we're talking to someone. And then I had heard that only just arrested in front of us. They're transporting him. And so then we got called in. And so I kinda had known that that was going on in the best way we were there. But I didn't know who this woman was so my partner and I start working this code. We find obviously, she doesn't have pulses, but we. Can't tell how old she is. Because she's so badly burned. She's got third to burns on basically one hundred percent of her body. Her clothes melted to her. I remember so distinctly that we we end up a soothing that she's elderly because she had compression hose that was melted to her body and the stuff that like old ladies were really. Okay. We think that's what she has in. So another ambulance shows up the paramedics show up, and we're still the top of the hill. And if you've ever heard about riding the rails like if you watch like EMS, sir ER shows like a paramedics on top of a body doing CPR. We don't get on top of the structure, but they're these rails that are on the bottom the stretcher you'll stand on them. Sometimes if you need to go for distances in one person, basically puts one arm around the patient in another arm is just doing one handed CPR while you're moving unless you have like an automatic CPR device, but this was like ten years ago. So or you know about. Or being approximate for confidentiality? We didn't have those devices. If we did they they were far few between they were not super effective in the batteries would die. It's wasn't wouldn't have them. So I was the smallest person there, and I'm doing one arm around is very very crispy lady, and I'm doing one handed compressions and her skin is so crispy Mike, Mike, Love's just rip and I'm doing barehanded compressions on this burnt body. And because the ice was so bad on the hill. It just felt like forever getting her down as basically hugging her. So we get into the truck, and they couldn't intubate or they they got like a super Supra clock airway. I think king tube or something in her because it was just so bad so swollen from the inhalation burns. And they didn't inter Ossius. Line, and it was just very chaotic. And we ended up getting her to the hospital and her who found out to be a relative of hers. Actually, her son was already they're dead. They pronounced him dead. And so they're right next to each other in this was a smaller community hospital. Not one of the big ones. And this house vote did not get a lot of cardiac arrests. So we were just like what the fuck. And you know, it's one of those cases where like we keep getting pulses back on her. We keep getting like for them, and you kinda just hoped it would be the last time you kept trying. But with all those burns your like. Man. I we wanna save you. But you know, who should you save? I know we talked about that in dance episode. But this was an elderly lady, you know, what you would you put them through. We we ended it ended up being called when we got to the hospital. And I think that was probably for the best. The other crew was still there kinda cleaning up all their stuff. And I remember looking at the sun in the mother next week other. They like, yeah, we think it was like carbon monoxide poisoning just got him because he dropped so fast. Probably also combination of cyanide poisoning because as common fires as well. But at the time, I remember the CO poisoning stuck out and being like, oh, he wasn't cherry red. Which is like this rumor that you hear all the time of being severe late Zeo poisoning. Inist? He was wasn't. And that's how that guy died just really fast out of nowhere. He thought he was okay. And he just dropped it. So then the rest of that day. We went about our we kept doing calls. We smelt like burnt flesh with the rest of the day, and nurses at other hospitals like well, you guys stink in like. Yeah. 'cause I hugged a fucking dead burnt body for like thirty minutes. So thanks. I don't smell like Chanel. Welcome to fuck any of us. So so I told you that story at like one o'clock in the morning, and I was like, that's why this bothers me. And I didn't I didn't realize that that was that whole story was behind my my freaking out about this. I mean, usually freaking out about CO, regardless if you horrific stories or not, but my was more charter the motion as a result. Telling me the story, and I. It all just just clicked it just made sense. I don't wanna say it's put those because of her experience. I'll try to I try to explain how I felt. And it's a very hard thing state. What my sudden realization was. Because it's like four different things happening at once you don't like gross stories. Yeah. So Christine told me it was happening and for one I don't like gross stories Christine. Oklahoma told me stuff about for instance, today, a patient had something pretty nasty. And I was like you go away. It's like I say it's fortunate that you had this experience happen. But in a way, there is some fortune behind it because I mean for one I thought strengthen our relationship, basically, I if the biggest takeaway, you can get all his if you hear something investigated don't blow it off if something of concern to you look into it. See something say something don't don't pull James. And you know, I study Cyrus Kurti and have worked technology. My first reaction was oh, this detector has a defect. I should return it and maybe exchange it for something better. You know, look into it investigate it, don't your partner. Yeah. And don't tell your partner. My big point about sharing his really pretty personal experience. Is that I feel like a lot of other couples have probably had arguments where the argument didn't end with. I'm really upset about this because I saw some dicey diocese poisoning, or oh it because it reminds me of this call, and they may have continued to have an argument because of it, and I think I just think it's something to be cognizant of that, especially when you have a partner that may not get it. And and I don't say that in an negative way. Like because you want to get it. But like, you just can't understand what that's like there's no way you could. Because you haven't lived that. And I don't always know that I'm reacting to certain things because of what I've done, but we were legitimately having a disagreement because I was freaking out about something that is. I saw ten years ago. And and I'm sure other couples are have done the same thing. And maybe they didn't realize it. So if if you are having, you know, a disagreement like that like, hey, it's really important that you do this thing for safety because I saw somebody get messed up in the certain way, I mean expressing we're that fear comes from expressing apprehension or something comes from to your partner. It's really important for one your own sanity. And then to your partner to kinda just get a little bit of a clue, even if they're the kind of type doesn't like gross stories. You know, I think you may be surprised about what you find out about your relationship. 'cause I know I was I think we learned a little bit about each other from that. Absolutely you, and I come from two very different backgrounds, and our personal backgrounds are gonna I'm not gonna say clash, but they're going to come into our life as we go forward. Yeah. And it was really interesting because for some reason, and I. I have not done this before. But for some reason after we had the whole conversation. I went and looked up news articles from that fire. I remember because I was saying to you after all of that I was so pissed off. Because in the news in the papers. There was a picture of it was like multi alarm fire today, and there's a picture of another service paramedic with these two dogs smiling on the cover of the newspaper, and her hair is not messed up, and these dogs are like happy as hell like enjoying the snow and two people are dead. And then it was like dogs rescued. Like again, you don't want credit, but smiling perfect haired paramedic who is not our service with happy dogs is. No, that's that picture is not an accurate representation of Burke skin coming off in my hand as I pull a woman from snowbank underneath a burning porch. That's not my experience of this event in it was just such a disjointed picture of what actually happened versus what was being reported. I fucking hated that picture. And so I was like, oh, I wanna find specter. So I tried to look up the story. And I couldn't find the picture, but I did find his news articles about it gay internet. And it was kinda crazy. It was so crazy. I I have not done this say, you don't really go back to when you were an EMT normally go back and look at those stories, we would look like, oh was it in the news trying because you never closure on things. Usually like, you would try and see what was on the news. Within the last week. Okay. There was shooting. Like, I wonder what happened with in the next week. You would go try and see. But otherwise, no, you just moved on to the next horrible thing that happened. Like, you kinda forgot about all of them. We're we're little different some ways because whenever I remotely connected to some store in the news. I find myself jumping onto every website just to see the entire story. How can you know? Can you do that? When like every single day is something that could be in the news. So I found a couple articles. And it was the craziest thing. So I thought this house was white every single memory that I've had of this story that houses white. It was not it was a very bright different color. I thought the house was three stories. It was different. It was just like mostly the color of the house the color of the house, not being white. 'cause there was pictures. I was just like what like that's not what my memory tells me. I don't know why that bothered me. It didn't really bother me. But it was just not what my memory tells me because it's something that I remember so vividly. How do I not remember the color of this house? I mean, I guess is because everything was covered in snow, and there's is everywhere in the smoke. And how could I remember because we did end up actually seeing pictures of on fire, and you could see how bad the fire was at the time. And there was actually a picture of the first patient being brought out and them doing CPR on the first. Guy and actually did not mention this when we were talking about it. But that picture was taken. I was thinking about this day after that picture was taken as I was probably responding to that call and that woman was still probably breathing inside dying. Because she like she kinda had pulses this. She was we founder. I mean, they were like common going. I think maybe that's why I don't look back at news stories. I don't know. But it was just really weird look back. I don't have a desire to look back at other calls. I don't think I usually will. But for some reason that night I just felt like I wanted to win. So I did it was interesting to do it. I saw their names. I don't really care to know their names. So I think also this why wouldn't do it again there is like neighbor statements about who they were in my head. I remember having been told there is maybe a math lab there. Nothing in the news report supported that again in my head. That makes the fire more justifiable of why these people died, and I'm just gonna keep going with that story because that seems to be okay for my head. I don't know if that's true. But it kinda doesn't matter. I guess what? The wide isn't matter. So looking. Into a little bit too far. I think sometimes is problematic. But I mean, you can see why you don't really forget these things and the when there's something that kind of makes you face a similar situation. Even though it's not exactly the same. Like, we didn't have a fire here. It brings up that memory bit for you. You have a reaction similar to it. So so, yeah, if you feel like you're getting a little annoyed by situation, and it reminds you of all call maybe you should talk to your partner about it. You know, I was I was just thinking about you. Remember when you came home from the concert, and I I was kind of in a grumpy mood kinda sorta. Oh, yeah. And you kept trying to the side effects seal poisoning his anger like distance if you will altered mental status which be like angry in. Yeah. Altered mental status. And I was I was little off to and you kept trying to diagnose me it. Will you were diagnosed in your head you'd kept trying to get me to co go upstairs. There's yet where there is no carbon monoxide carbon monoxide, and I was very resistant to that. Yeah. So later on I told you, you know, when I came home, and I found that you've been sitting in low levels of carbon monoxide all night because you're just taking the batteries out detectors. I was trying to assess where you dramatic where you altered and fatigued or were you just in a bad mood and just tire because it was almost midnight. And it's you know, when you go to school like when the things they teach is like, how do you assess a pediatric patient from across the room. So you don't further agitate them, how do you assess your significant other from across the room? So you don't start a fight. Yeah. Of course, that's what I was doing. Because I wanted you to one go upstairs, but also didn't want to be like, did you know that CEO binds more selectively to hemoglobin than oxygen 'cause you'd be like fun on? Like, you feel like I've talking him sick of this shit. And like, you wouldn't listen to me? So I was like as you like you're no at all go away so house trying to figure out like what how was going on. And I'm not a member of the family that says a. Yet. Yeah. James brother thinks I'm at all. And computers in compared to James the brother, I do know lot more than him. So very true, actually. She has three she has three degrees. He has not. He's very very sweet verse we helped us move. He did. So I mean. Yeah. So I told you that later. No, that's that's all I got a just just raring. Why said well, I was saying earlier if you hear something say something if you see something say something don't blow things off because it could be serious, and I could kill you be afraid of everything that's the moral story of be fucking afraid of everything. No, don't be afraid of anything. But when you have a smoke alarm or detector and your house and starts going off. Don't be like me and pay fucking attention to it. Also, listen to your significant other listen, your significant other if they just happen to be they have no work in medicine. I listen to you when it comes Irish. And I turn my wife I off and bluetooth worm public places to that. So take her advice such listened to me overall. Okay. So thank you. Thanks on. What's for dinner? No, fuck you. So now, we're going to talk a little bit about what CO poisoning actually is what it looks like it's an odorless tasteless gas. Great. How can I know to be afraid of this terrible thing that kills people? So now, we're gonna talk about it. Now, I want to kind of do more of an academic deep dive into carbon monoxide poisoning. What it is what it looks like how you manage it pre hospital as a lay person, and then also in the hospital and people that are listening are non medical. I know people are all different levels of certifications, either paramedics, firefighters, nurses, PA's N P doctors, and you may live in different countries around the world. So I'm going to try and keep some things general something's I'm gonna get a little bit more technical on. So just stick with me. I'm gonna try him. So it seems like I'm getting really technical one minute. Just hang in there. I'm gonna try and bring it back. So my background before being a nurse practitioner. I did a lot of medical education on. I taught EMS emergency medicine courses for fire departments and EMT's and the military. So I have teaching before if you guys like this kind of thing let me know, maybe I'll do some bonus episodes onto some various topics if not I will shut the help, and I want to again, but just let me know. All right so carbon monoxide. It's scary. It's terrifying. But Why's it scary? Okay. What is it? So it is a colorless odorless tasteless gas from hydrocarbon combustion burning. If you burn anything that is made of carbon which is most everything which actually anything organic comes from carbon. So that Holik goddess inorganic banana. Well, yeah, basically everything is getting 'cause we all are coming from carbon. So you burn most everything you're gonna get CO carbon monoxide which is different than carbon dioxide carbon to oxygen. That's what we breathe out to different things. So. Whenever we're talking about a disease state or an illness or anything we wanna talk about the EPA Dion Aji. How often is why do we care how affected by it who gives a ship? So the most common type of carbon monoxide poisoning is fire related. So the patient that I was talking about those fire waited carbon monoxide poisoning most common in the United States. However, inadvertent non fire related carbon monoxide poisoning has caused around four hundred s annually in the US around the last ten years with intentional 'non-fire CO poisoning being almost double of that. So all of this information, all of these facts, I'm getting these from up today, which is an online database that I have access to basically is an academic source. That compiles all of these academic journals and articles on specific subjects and curated as a reference that providers us whenever we wanna look up something. It's basically, our Dr Google are we appeal, but it's all evidence based that's where everything is coming from. Okay. So inadvertent accidental that would be me. My stove wasn't firing. Right. I have inadvertent 'non-fire CO poisoning. So CO poisoning overall is one of the leading causes of poisoning deaths. United states. As opposed to other types of poisoning. We're talking about like lead poisoning or something else mortality of 'non-fire unintentional carbon monoxide poisoning is around blend. Three percent. That's good for me. So maybe I didn't almost. So mortality how many people are going to death is usually do too late onset neurological deficits lasting after initial stabilization. So that's terrifying for me because neurological effects can occur much longer after you were initially treated and medical professionals thought, you were okay and those neurological deficits can then 'cause you time cool. So how do you get poisoning also known as everything you should be paranoid about maybe not paranoid? But like everything you should be aware of in goggles about fires. Obviously this is a huge win. And the thing with fire is you can also get cyanide poisoning, and that has to do allow the plastics that are in our homes. Uber low plastics and you'll get cyanide as a by product. And I'm not gonna get into cyanide poisoning too much. It's it's treated differently than carbon monoxide poisoning. Just keep that in mind. But whenever you see someone who is. Item of a fire. There are a couple of different things as well as carbon monoxide poisoning. So just keep that in the background. So fires. Those are the biggest ones and then improperly functioning heating systems, particularly natural gas mime poorly ventilated heated devices, so kerosene heaters camping stoves charcoal. Grills gas powered electrical generators, you don't wanna use those things inside or inside a tent some somewhere. They're not venting properly electrical wiring fires inside walls. So again producing smoke. There's combustion. It is retained within a close space motor vehicles inside buildings that aren't well. Ventilated? This is your real classic in the movies. They piped in the exhaust from the car in the garage attempted suicide. That's what usually depicted in the movies. But also these are things like ice rinks, those Zamboni if it's not well ventilated, but also parking structures, especially underground parking structures or tunnels if tunnels are not well ventilated, you can get a carbon monoxide poisoning from their some cases. Been reported of open air motorboats with like, really, big engines and people been getting CO poisoning from that. And then. One of the things about doing research on places like up to date, and he's medical databases that we have is you find these like really random facts, they like what the hell's this? And you you wanna go down this little rabbit hole. But it's just really quirky little facts. And I find really interesting so water hookah 's can also increase carbon monoxide poisoning as well. And then also in increasing carbon monoxide exposures has been reported to occur in the immediate aftermath of hurricanes. I'm there are studies linked to studies about that. I did not have time to go into why hurricanes cause more carbon monoxide exposures. I'm sure we could figure it out. But this is not hurricane buckets. So the pathophysiology what happens in the body that makes you sick. So this is gonna get a little bit technical bear with me. Okay. Real basic pathophysiology of how blood and oxygen stuff works. Right. So we breathe in oxygen. It goes into our loans. It diffuses across our capillary meme. Marines in our alvie li-. Little air sacks. That are the basis of our lungs goes into our blood in our blood oxygen, usually hatches to hemoglobin and this usually four oxygen the store hemoglobin, then travels through our blood all the way to our tissues organs Brevard, we need it and then jumps off carbon dioxide jumps on. That's a waste product of all of our metabolism in cellular respiration. All that kind of stuff the waste products carbon dioxide troubled backup to our lungs jumps off the lungs goes back across his membranes. And we exhale it not one hundred percent exchanges. But there's a lot of pressures into fusion and stuff like that. That's like the real basic version of it. So you have those four binding sites on hemoglobin will when you breathe in carbon monoxide not the waste product that you are exhaling it binds to hemoglobin with around two hundred forty times greater affinity than oxygen. So it is much much stickier to him. Gobin this stuff with iron that transports oxygen in the blood than oxygen is. So that's not good. So when the carbon monoxide is sticking to humic Logan, it also causes a structural change in your hemoglobin. And what it does is it makes the oxygen? That's already stuck on the hemoglobin stays stuck to the hemoglobin. It makes it more sticky to the hemoglobin. So when when the blood starts to circulate back down to those tissues in those organs the oxygen can't jump off. So not only are your binding sites on hemoglobin bound up partially by carbon monoxide that should be bound by oxygen. But if it's not fully saturated by carbon monoxide in there is some oxygen on the hemoglobin which should be using the tissues. The Austrian can't get off and be used in cellular respiration. And then also carbon dioxide those waste products that should be scooped up. And removed that can't get on. Because he mclovin is full. So now, you're not having gas exchange at the cellular level. So big big big problem. So that kind of further exacerbates this hypotheses or lack of oxygen to your tissues because of the structural change. That is precipitated by the carbon monoxide at the level of hemoglobin hemoglobin with carbon monoxide on it is called Karbacher hemoglobin. So uptodate has this quote in says Kerr boxy Huma global shifts the Oxy hemoglobin dissociation curb to the left impairing the release of oxygen at tissues and utilization of oxygen might a contra the powerhouse of the cell anyone. Remember that? Leading tear tissue hypoxia. So basically, that's exactly what fancy statement means. Oxygen is sticky to the hemoglobin because it's not able to dissociate or remove it self to go into the tissues. So this is a huge problem. But did you know, you have actual baseline levels of Karachi hemoglobin in your blood anyways. So nonsmokers have about three percent of their humid. Logan is carb Oxy hemoglobin. So there is some CO this around in the air anyways. And you do have some now smokers. If you are a smoker, you have ten to fifteen percent of curb Oxy hemoglobin in your body at baseline, stop smoking it right? Oh, it's so have smoking, David. So if you get exposed to see you you're going to be symptomatic much much, much sooner because you already have high levels of carbon monoxide in your blood. It's not good. So carbon monoxide is binding to Huma Globen. It doesn't just stay there. So it's in your blood. But then it's like, well, I wanna go out and do things too like oxygen can't have all the fun. So it goes out, and it goes into the extra vascular tissues. So outs extra vascular outside of your veins, and your arteries, it goes into all of these places like Michael Boone, which is your heart muscles, also things like Sida Krome's in any DP, h reduc today's again, these are all very very technical things like biochemistry. What can you know? It's the fucker those. Oh, going back to Cam. Okay. So any ph has flu like free radicals and anabolic processes and nucleic acid disease. Will what are nucleic says that's like your DNA in your RA? So if you're messing up these processes, you're you're really messing with the cellular structures of cells so Sida crumbs, they have a bunch of biological functions as well, especially in the liver, and that's really all I'm gonna get into it. This is not a super super technical podcasts. Okay. So another physiological effect of carbon monoxide poisoning. Is this thing called DNS so delayed neurological sequoia or delayed neuro psychiatric syndrome? So. It may be due to all those enzymes and shit. So you have all these processes that get messed up especially with free radicals. There may be some impeachment of RA expression of certain enzymes and things like that. And maybe my Globes, oh, heart functions. So this this may be with related to this. I did not deep dive into that too much. Also, these pathologies not Super Bowl them. Okay. So back to that mile globe. In the heart muscle. Myocardial injury. Part tissue injury is a common acute symptom and socio with long-term increase mortality so in in one study of healthy individuals. So no pre existing cardiac issues are middle age. They don't have a lot of Komor biddies, which is how we say. They don't have a lot of other diseases of the patients with moderate severe carbon monoxide poisoning. Those that had acute myocardial injury were twice as likely to die down the road than those without acute cardiac changes and triple those that didn't have carbon monoxide exposure at all. And so the follow up believe was about seven and a half years. So that's not that far off to then develop heart conditions when you were previously healthy. So if you're in your forties without a heart condition to die within ten years of a heart condition. That's pretty rare. I mean, that's that's a pretty significant Kuala of an exposure. So that's definitely something to be looking out for if you're a primary care provider. If you are someone dead is monitoring someone long-term after they've had a CO exposure, especially a monitor significant one and they presented with an initial myocardial or cardiac complaint they have had to have had cardiac sent him. So EKG changes cardiac enzyme elevations, something like that. That is predictive of them having this kind of sequoia. Okay. So this DNS delayed neuro psychiatric syndrome so up to forty percent of patients with significant exposure can subsequently present with neurological symptoms anywhere from three to two hundred forty. Days after recovery. They may not have initially presented with neurological symptoms, but all of a sudden they can develop them and this includes cognitive deficit. Solar more, confused personality changes movement disorders, focal neurological deficits, things like tremors weakness. Paris Dijon, numbness and tingling all of that kind of thing. Usually it's gonna Kerr within twenty days, but they can also last up to a year, that's fun so symptoms. So cool. That's how this whole thing works in the body. But that's way of my head. Would it look like in the moment? This is really important. So the symptoms are really variable. And so it depends on a couple of things one. Are you smoker booking right now? It depends on the amount of CO in the air. How well ventilated it is the amount of circulating air the amount of oxygen in the air. The respiratory rate of the patient in the length of exposure, of course, so whenever you're talking about any kind of poison or administering any kind of drug or anywh. That you want to know the dosing the concentration and the length of exposure. And of course, how much are you taking in? If you're not breathing much than you know, you're going to have much less of a risk early symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning our headache fatigue, nausea, dizziness. These are all symptoms of the flu. So. Amy, but there's no fever. So that's kind of that big differential in the Joe body aches, that's important to know delayed symptoms. So I'm more significant presentation will be blurred vision vomiting, shortness of breath, confusion, and or agitating chest pain, and then loss of consciousness, so what's up with a cherry Redskin thing. You kinda see this all the time in movies, and literature, not assertive medical editor. But you hear this like oh my God. Look for cherry Redskin as a sign of carbon monoxide poisoning that is a super super late sign and only after very very high exposure. And I will tell you that the guy that I saw that died didn't have cherry Redskin. It may only be seen postmortem and on an autopsy, and and at that point in Nukus membranes or organs such as liver. So if they're like pay no can't be CO poisoning their pale. It very well could be or how do we know? So the big thing about the acute management. And workup is furring out that is you poisoning. So because carbon monoxide is binding to hemoglobin the way we use those pulse, ox mentors. The little things you put on your finger that shines the light to the tip of your finger. Those basically work by seeing how occupied that hemoglobin molecule is. And it can't differentiate whether or not occupied by carbon monoxide or if it's occupied by oxygen, so S P, O, two or pulse. Ox symmetry is not reliable. You cannot go based on it. So you have to use CO oxygen entry or car boxy, hemoglobin, arterial or Venus blood gas testing, basically your assessment in the acute setting especially the pre hospital setting is going to be from testing the air. If you have CO testing available most fire departments do patient presentation is everyone else. Stick around them was precipitating event like a gas leak fire. Something like that going on using your good judgment. Also levels of curb Oxy hemoglobin in the blood don't necessarily predict symptoms or the likelihood that they will develop DNS now when you're choosing testing method, and this is again for more of the provider level, Venus. Venus blood gases are not accurate. But if it's a mass casualty event, it will definitely do, and it also works pretty well for cereal monitoring, if you want to assess for change in long term treatment, something to also keep in mind is that because a lot of patients may also present with cyanide poisoning, especially in the preposterous setting patients may be treated with Asano kit or hydroxide Kabbalah mean, and that may interfere with CO blood gas testing in the hospital, obviously you wanna be treating went for cyanide poisoning. So go ahead and treat them don't hold back treatment. But make sure your commute. Decaying early again. Obviously, you're gonna communicate any medication that you're ministering pre hospital, but kinda spell that out too. Because if it's an MCI or something you want to make sure that that's really clear, and if you're a clinician make sure you're asking pretty overtly did, you minister cyanogen, especially in the presence of a fire. If you're going to be testing for CO levels in blood. Also, you MB doing an EKG? Remember, we talked about how important tracking those cardiac changes are in a patient because if they're having acute 'em is acute ischemia. It's gonna have a big impact later on. So obviously, there's not enough oxygen in the blood the heart's gonna be pretty impacted by that and the elderly more. So you also checking acid base balances, preferably arterial, and again, his because we're not doing gas exchange at the tissue level. There's a build up of CO two, and I'm not gonna get he went to do a heads ET if you see neurological deficits mostly to rule out other causes like a stroke. Or something else like a like a bleed or trauma? You know? Someone may have had seen us yo exposure passed out and then hit their head. So you wanna make sure that that's not also co occurring. Your physical exam is generally going to be on remarkable. And then consider cyanide poisoning as well. If there was a fire. All right. So how do we treat it? This is actually kind of easy in this is really the the really big important part for everybody. If you're like, oh my God. I'm so bored. I didn't sign up for lecture today. I'm so sorry. This is the party's pay attention to if stop smoking by CO doctors and listen to this part fresh air fresh air fresh air for sure get them to fresh air. If you believe that there is C O in a building get the patient to fresher. Ideally, have them come to you do not go in there. If you do not have any protection yourself, and then high flux in if you are a first responder, if you're a firefighter if you're EMT of any level high flow. Hundred percent oxygen regardless of SPO, regardless of what their Polack says if they look like, they're fine. It doesn't matter put them on high flow oxygen. If you suspect any kind of carbon monoxide poisoning. We know that carbon monoxide is super sticky to that hemoglobin, we gotta push it out. And the only way you can do that is by a super super high concentration, and you're going to push those concentration gradients in the favor of displacing the CO. This is a quote that I'm going to raise you from date the half-life of SIA while a patient is breathing room. Air is approximately two hundred and fifty to three hundred twenty minutes so four to five and a half hours while breathing high flow oxygen Vietnam Abry their face mask. So they're not breathing any external air this only one hundred percent oxygen. The half-life of CO is about ninety minutes and then with hundred percent oxygen hyperbaric chamber. It's about thirty minutes. So from rumor from atmospheric oxygen, which is about twenty twenty one percent, you can go from five hours down to ninety minutes. And so when we're. Talking about all of those crazy effects. It can have on your body. You wanna you wanna get as much that's out as you can. So high flow to all the way there have been so many things about, you know, don't get patients more action than they need. You can cause all these problems. This is not one of those cases, give them all that often. And then, of course, your regular seabees CPR if you need it into bait as needed and then for patients that have had a significant exposure and then for certain criteria hyperbaric oxygen therapy. So the criteria for hyperbaric oxygen therapy is as follows if you have an and this would not be something you would make in the field you and be like, well, you know, I'm going to call an stat hyperbaric oxygen therapy request. But it may be part of your clinical decision making to say, okay. Well, I know certain hospital has a hyperbaric chamber. So I'm going to bring them there. If you know that there's very very dramatic. So you wouldn't know this pre hospital, but seal. Greater than twenty five in the average patient or greater than twenty pregnant any loss of consciousness severe metabolic acidosis, ph a less than seven point one. Again, not something you would necessarily know precisely but concern for an or concern for an organised Kimia so lack of oxygen so chest pain, EKG changes altered mental status. Those things would warrant hyperbaric oxygen therapy. What is hyperbaric oxygen therapy? So hyperbaric chambers are pressurized chambers that can deliver higher concentrations of oxygen. Basically, it's it's pushing off that carbon monoxide out of the hemoglobin and out of your blood using pressure. So it's used for the Benz, and it's also used for treatment of burns if your clinician, and you're not sure if you should be using this call a medical toxicologist or if you don't have one because you're in the middle of nowhere. Call poison control near local poison control can help you with the guidelines. Hyperbaric therapy is best started with. In six hours, and there's not much benefit seen over twelve hour. So as soon as you can you wanna start it all patients should receive at least one treatment for one remained at two point five to three atmospheres. So sea level is one atmosphere. That's your baseline. I don't have any other reference ranges for how much two point five to three atmospheres, but that's recommendation. So the problem with hyper therapy for treatment of CO poisoning is especially if there is a MCI. So there's multiple people that are sick. There are not a lot of places that will do this. So the article I was reading so there's about two hundred fifty monoplace or multi place of single or multiple occupancy hyperbaric chambers, and I looked at some places online, and it was kind of funny because they didn't listen places. I was like, I know master has hyper chamber and this wasn't listed on their website on the website of undersea and hyperbaric medicine, medical society. So I'm thinking there may be facilities are not always listed. So call. Poison control probably be the best. But the WHO the World Health Organization also has a list of poison control centers internationally, and you can go on their website. And I'll pose in the show notes to I reason if you want to look at a podcast for hyper barrack central locations, but please don't with with everything disowns. Look it up yourself. This is kind of more of a godly than like, a, hey, this is what's up again, you know, use your own references your own local guidelines and your own teaching. This is just more of a casual informative podcasts so treatment with hyperbaric oxygen therapy has been shown to have decreased mortality and decreased chance of DNA. So those delayed neurological symptoms are right. So whatever we talk about a disease when I reach about any kind of condition. We have talked about special populations in what are too big a special populations pregnancy and pediatrics just like everything is eight. There's not a lot of studies for this. We can't really experiment on pregnant ladies now that we would want to. But there's not many studies that are being done this. So these are all kind of reviews of cases in in the pre limited. But the studies that have been done have shown that there is no impact on a fetus for mothers that have had mild moderate exposure to carbon monoxide however for severe poisoning high full oxygen loan resulted in adverse outcomes for three out of five fetuses while hyperbaric oxygen therapy was used in two cases, the fetus did not have any adverse outcomes. I mean, we're talking about two two cases. So the other one was three out of five had adverse outcomes, and this was like to to to refine. So hyperbaric therapy alone is not known to cause fetal harm again. It's very limited but risk versus benefit. So and just in general fetal heart rate tracings in the third trimester. Again, there's very limited studies, but it showed an initial Tackett cardia around one hundred sixty one hundred ninety beats per minute. And it was very regular. There were not any. Filaret shins or diesels. Noted and then after treatment with hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The fetal heart tracing return to normal about an hour, hour and a half after treatment with hyperbaric chambers. Okay. The kiddos so in kids symptoms are more subtle they're harder to spot because kids are generally they're not as good at reporting things like this and especially with bake symptoms. Anyways, where it's just like your ability. You're really tired. You don't feel good for kids at that can be a little bit hard for them to report into really express. So you kinda have just know your kid in and see how they're feeling infants some of the biggest symptoms can be fussiness and difficulty feeding and that is the symptom of like so many different things with Vincent makes me really really hard and also younger children may develop symptoms sooner than older siblings or adults because of their higher oxygen utilization and higher respiratory rate. So they're gonna be breathing in that CO that circulating in the home of the faulty furnace much much faster. In the us much more oxygen their little bodies. So they're going to become symptomatic earlier than anyone else really notices. So that's one of the downsides for little kids. Hell ever. There isn't good news the incidents of DNS or delayed. Neuro psychiatric syndrome is much lowering his his adult. So they may present earlier, and you may not necessarily notice it because it's hard for them to report, but the longer term effects of neurological symptoms are not necessarily as significant as they are indulging. And usually we say in kids kids are not just little adults. You have to have tailored treatments for pediatrics will in this case treatment is the same for adults and you can use hyperbaric therapy for children, if they're less than five one of the considerations is if they haven't active ear infection, and your clinician you may want to consider a Mirren gotta me tube. Which is the tubes. That you get in your in your ears in the panic memory in your ear drum. She says there's no rupturing prior to putting them in. The chamber again, not a pre hospital consideration or really anything else. But something to think about the kid may be small and may need to accompany their parent into the chamber of they're really afraid infants in a chamber can get hypothermic really easily. So make sure they're they're really warm. And again, a very very select group of people are going to be considering these things, but you may wanna think about a chest. X Ray for any congenital abnormalities that maybe worsened by Baruch therapy. This is a small sub section of the population that this would apply to and because of the higher levels of oxygen involve hyperbaric oxygen therapy. It could trigger the closing of certain doctoral, cardiac abnormalities, and so you would want to consult a pediatric cardiologists. If this is your concern. Why are you listening to my podcast? It's it's such a niche area of medicine if you are a neonatologist is trading with CO poisoning. You're not listening to this podcast. All right. So we talked about all of that stuff. We had our little lecture. How do we prevent it? How do we not see poisoning? Make sure your furnaces are in good working order. Don't run stoves inside make sure everything is really well vented. And of course, gets yo detectors. Make sure your sweaters have CO monitors in the unsure of the house. All right. Did I everyone to death? Did you like it? Did you find that educational and informative terrible? Lemme know on social media, make sure you're following me on social media like Facebook antidotes stories in medicine podcast. Check out the Facebook group. Hopefully, they'll be a lot of activity there on our little month hiatus and on Instagram antidotes podcast or follow us on Twitter into pod. And again, thank you so much Peter Hopkins for custom inter music and the new music that will be coming. 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