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Clemson Defensive Line 360

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

1:13:13 hr | 2 years ago

Clemson Defensive Line 360

"Everybody. It's Daniel Jeremiah for move, the sticks and Bucky Brooks. And this is the Clemson Tigers defensive line three sixty pressure right in the face. Get used to it sack. Once the ball. They got four outstanding deland six to the Joe's. Nowhere actually comes pressure in east hit and Trump second out. Kansas. I balked for those that don't know about the three sixty series. It's it's where we take a deep dive usually on one individual player, although we've made an exception on this episode because it's not often you have defensive line as talented as this Clemson group all entering the draft at the exact same time. So we're gonna do a little bit of a deep dive on all the members of the Clinton defensive line today. You're going to hear from coach's family members in elementary school principal, and of course, from the Ford national champion defensive lineman themselves. All right before we get to those interviews though. But just kind of our take on these guys. And I say we start let's start with let's start with the big Dexter there. Dexter Lawrence your evaluation of him. And where you see him fitting in at the next level. You know, Dexter is a very very talented run stopping defensive tackle a guy that is ideally suited to be a nose tackle at the next level size strength athleticism. He has all those things in space. But what he really has is a unique athleticism for a guy that is three hundred and forty pounds. You just don't see guys with that big that can move like that when it comes to his Silliman's floor. I think he has the opportunity to be a guy that is a dominant nose tackle guy that really commands double teams consistently creates disruption against run and maybe as able to push the pocket a little bit. If you think about like what he could do and what he could be. I think he'd be maybe a more athletic version of what Vince we'll Ford was able to do for the New England Patriots for using years on it, meaning a big athletic, man. But a guy that really is a nice zero technique. They kinda dominates everything and Claus up the middle. One thing that's going to do is wherever he goes the guys that played behind him on that second level of the linebackers. You're gonna love him because he can eat up a lot of blocks allow those linebackers to flow and make a bunch of tackle. So your team. That's maybe a little under size, and you want to have some speed there at the second level. Somebody like Dexter Lawrence is going to help benefit those guys in what they do. I steps in day one. He's a starter. He could dominate against Iran run. He's going to push the pocket as you said as a pass rusher with maybe a little bit upside there, I think he got some development to take place. But there is some quickness that you see that could bode well for him and his future development. All right. How about Christian Wilkins Bucknell defensive lineman? Look, you just don't see guys that are this talented in athletic up front. I mean, he is one of the rare Gadsden I believe can play anywhere from a zebra technique to a nine meaning that he can play over the nose or he could kick all the way outside and be a wide defensive end. Also Pasha situations unique talent, I gotta his outstanding. I dip quickness has excellent movement scales balancing body. Control. You can see this guy being disruptive force at the next level in a movement based defense that allows him to really shoot gaps and penetrate, he has all the tools that you look for those positions. I don't think he want him to just sit to gap. I don't think you're gonna like what you get. If that's what your goal is. But put him in a gap. Let him get up field. You talk about someone in the backside in the run game with his quickness and the effort that he plays with he's gonna make a lot of plays. You trying to run away from him. And then as a pass rusher quick feet quick hands. He's Lucy can get in gaps in and be pretty disruptive there. So I'm a big fan of his I think he's one of the ten best players in this year's draft class. How about Cleveland feral here on the outside? You know, Farrell is someone that everyone is looking for that speed rusher together. Add to the defense in Farrell is I quickness bursts get been and turned the corner has great close and burst finish. But also shows a little bit ability to kind of work inside when he feels to tackle over sit. When I look at him. I look at a guy that he's going to be able to not only run around the edge to get to the quarterback. But he's going to be able to convert some of that speed into power take some guys on right down the middle. And then work inside. I like his long or move. I just think this guy has a ton of potential. I haven't graded just outside the top twenty turns of top twenty players. But I think he's a guy that could be a perennial. Ten sec artists in the right situation. Yeah. I like his game. I think it translates. Really? Well, I think we're probably in the same boat. He's my twenty first player, but what I like about him is he can do everything against the run. Let's start there. He can set the edge uses his length a real physical physical player there at the point of attacks. You don't have to worry about him and rundowns and then as a pass rusher. More power than anything else, you mentioned that long arm. He's really good with his hands. He's got the production in college to back it up against quality opponents. So you like to see that usually that translates to the next level plays extremely hard in the character as everybody's gonna learn as we go through these interviews today. The character is off the charts a pretty special young guy. Yes. Especially you guys as all of these guys. And I think that it is often neglected is Austin Bryant and Austin Brennan, a guy who was a solid starter. Gal was excellent contributor. He is not quite in the same caliber class as his three teammates. But he's someone that is certainly productive to a rolling. Tigers sniffing out. And what we know about Clemson defensive lineman. They find their way into the league. And they find a way to stick. Look. No further new wedge, Grady, Jared has been able to do doing his time with the Atlanta Falcons. Austin Brian is a guy that is a blue collar worker kind of a hard head and lunch. Bill guy physical at the point of attack hasn't been treating traits. And so it's just a matter of where does he fit in? How can jump into the rotation and give you contributions, but there's no doubt in my mind that he plays in place where longtime and league. No doubt. I go everything that you just said there, and I think he's going to be a value. I don't know where he's going to go on. I have I have in valued in that late second round range. I think he's going to be an excellent excellent pro football player who just got a little bit neglected and forgotten about in this group. And by the way, I feel like before we get to these interviews all politics to Bert Huggins, another draftable defensive lineman from Clemson. We're not doing a deep dive on Mr. Huggins today did not start for this team was a backup. But I do think he's going to be draftable player in the six or seven th round. That speaks to the overall death and talent of this Clemson group. All right. Let's leave things off here with special interview. It's a it's a first for us here on move to six because this one is with the principal of an elementary school in South Carolina. All right block. I can't be more excited than I am right now because during the three sixty series, we've got a chance to talk to teammates high school coaches, college coaches guys that have trained these players as they get ready for the combine we've talked to basketball coaches, we've talked to baseball coaches, we have yet to talk to an elementary school principal, and that is the most important role of anybody. We've talked to actually Robertson joins us right now. And Ashley you have a unique connection to one of the players on the Clemson defensive line. I'll give you the floor and let you share the story. I Dave thank you. So he came to our school James and Brown elementary in South Carolina. And he was our sub for the day. And as those who is it because there's so many Clemson defensive linemen which which Clemson defensive lineman. Did you have as a sub? Absolutely. They're all amazing. I had the one and only Christian Wilkins here. There we go. Yes. He was able to come to our school and be with our pre K kids and our kindergarten kids. And so it was very interesting to see him come in and him to be extremely scared at first and he even referenced the kindergarten cop option, and that's like, yeah. That's exactly what I was going to be like for a big guy like you in this room with little kids. But he he did outstanding. Wilkins thinking about that is so unique to have a star player who not only goes to an elementary, but really wants to be a part of the educational process having going through and his student teaching in doing that. How unique is it a have someone with his kind of accolades come to an elementary school and really want to be all when it comes to educating the kids as lightly, and it definitely was all. And when he first came in. I asked him do you want us to tell the adults in the building to kind of stay away a little bit? But you could tell from the minute he walked in the door. He was all about his job and his job was to educate children. It was not about the notoriety. It was not about doing a sub position. And being a player. It was quite clear. He was there for the children. Now, the children my kids had no idea who he was there were very few that did. And so it was it was great to see him interact as if everything was normal for them. Well, this is the question is he a bring your own lunch to school? He did that actually stood out to me because I had to find the refrigerator for him. But he brought it in a Little Brown almost like a gift bag type thing. And it had a little note on the outside. That's phenomenal. Hopefully, so to actually for you how. I guess how rewarding is it like knowing that you were Clemson grad. You have all the the grease three degrees that you earned from Clemson. You are self proclaimed self-doubt at superfan of the football team. How exciting was it for you to have one of the stars of your team in your elementary working on a your direction? So that morning when my secretary called me and said, you're never going to believe he's here. My kids in my car on the way to school were scared to death because I started yelling and screaming out so excited I got to the front office. And I told everybody in the front office. I said he's mine I'm walking. So nobody else really had a chance to do anything. And so yes alternately I was over the moon excited. But what stood out to me is importantly was his professionalism? And I know the program that Devo sends them through and it was quite evident that Devo is growing men for the real world. Not just someone playing a sport. Actually, I've got to ask, you know, haven't got your your three degrees from Clemson have been a fan of this program. What does it mean to you as a fan when you see those Clemson Tigers come running down the hill? And then I'm gonna let share. He has with the hill fan somebody. That's went to Clemson. What does that run down the hill mean to you? It's the most amazing twenty five seconds in college football. And it's something that improvements to be able to watch every home game. And it sends chills up now must find every single time. It never gets old. So as you so since you've been. No, no since since since since you've been there. I'm most let you know that I am a tarheel routes or he'll and while I was in school plan for the football team in North Carolina wheat went to Clemson. And we had a game. And I decided with just a couple of my teammates to run to the bottom of the hill prior to the game as the Tigers were beginning to rub on how was rock, and I decided that you know, today was a day to North Carolina was gonna make statement. So we wanted Clemson to run down the hill quickly to come and get this tale kicking that we had waiting for them. So as a fan, how would that make you feel would you be in your feelings? Would you feel some kind of way if you saw a tar heel four tar heel blue regard, you come and kinda wave them down and say come on and get some of this. Well, because we are traced out the nurse, and we are very kind to everybody that comes to Clemson. We will just show you how it has. And I can tell you that afternoon. They certainly showed us how it was. Right. The last question that I'll let you go. We appreciate you taking some time out of your very busy schedule. But let's fast forward. Let's say let's say fourteen years from now Kristie Wilkins decides to hang up the cleats. He said an unbelievable run. He's on his way to the pro football hall of fame, but Christian Wilkins wants to go be an educator wants to be a teacher, and he asks you for recommendation, what does that recommendation say? Absolutely all day every day all in and he can bring his. Outfit. Teaching. Yeah. They would engaging for sure. That is still great. Well, I have enjoyed this conversation Asher. Thank you so much for taking some time with us today and hopefully catch up when you down the road. Thank you so much. I appreciate it gas. All right book. It's not every day. We get chance to visit with the elementary school principal. I enjoyed talking to to a miss Ashley Robertson there. What a great insight. She offered their on Christian Wilkins. She did offer terrific insight in a think, you know, you know, we've been in draft room. So much of what we do is not only assessment what a player is on the field. But how is he often field? And how's he going to blend into the locker room? I think the anti that. She was able to give on Christian coming in doing student teaching and coming in and the seriousness that he displayed in his job. I think it makes you believe that he's going to be a solid profession when he gets an opportunity to join a pro team. And so I came away. Even more impressed with number forty two after listening to Ashley talk about him. You can't see his energy on a football field. I can imagine he would need that energy to match in elementary school classroom. I mean think about how. Let me think about how always going to face. How unusual is dead for a guy to do the stuff that he has been able to do on the field. But yet still have the time to think about one what he wanted to do in his academic pursuits what he wants to do later in life and into fulfil that while also chasing national championships. Pretty unique advised. Let's go from a principal to a coach gonna go to Gary Jordan's man, we had a chance of visit with buck who was at framingham. Highschool in Massachusetts where he had a chance to coach a young Christian Wilkins. Coach. How're you doing today? I'm doing great real quick. Just first time you met Christian Wilkins. And what was your impression? Well, I'd heard about Christian Wilkins from the youth football coaches in framingham. And. He had a he had a definitive reputation of being the nicest kid off the field, but the meanest kid on the field. And when I met him he was the nicest kid, and then when I started coaching them he was one of the meanest kids on the field. So he did his reputation. You know, coach with a guy athletic as Christian. What were some of the things that you deal with him on offense and defense when you have a chance to coach him. Well. Several things on on defense. He played he played inter tackle and defensive and and he was excellent at both as a freshman. He was the first freshman that ever started for me at framingham. And he he did equally as well on offense. Coach what was what was his other athletic background? Like, we see that big and that athletes doing the splits and all the fun stuff. He does on the side. I got imagine. He played some other sports besides football. He did. He was a really really good basketball player. Really good rebounder. He could run the court played defense. Very well. And yeah, he was he he was always he's the same same kid. He's a playful great athlete who you know. He's going to his skills are going to transition well to the NFL he's he's he's going to be an excellent pro. You know in thinking about that you described him as being one of the nicest kids off the field, but Ameen got on the field, and he's going to be corralled by a Wilkins and sex talk about watching that transition where he flips the switch as you kinda steps between the lines. Well, one of my favorite memories of Christian was when we took him away to camp. And I immediately texted him the first time we could have contact. I put him up against a two year captain kid who's going to play. Lower division one football. But a really good player. And they went one on one in Christian honest to God, he made this kid cry. That's how that's how good he what this kid literally starting my cap in two year cap and started crying after trying to go against Christian. And then another one was was a good friend of mine was the coach of an opposing team his nephew was an all conference player on offense and Christian beat him up so bad that that game. His uncle who the head coach was screaming at him telling him. He how embarrassed he was that. He was getting beat by a freshman. So, you know, Christian missions in exceptional player and great great young, man. And I'm looking forward to seeing them play in the NFL. You talked about Christian. We'll be he'll make an easy transition from college to the National Football League. Why do you believe he'll make such an easy and smooth transition to the league, he's driven? He's driven. He's a he's always had a great focus in love football. And. Any smart? He's very smart kid coach in your in your coaching career. Have you had anybody that is anywhere near what this kid is? And what this kid's going to be. Or is this a once in a generation once in a lifetime player yet? So I've been coaching over twenty years, and I can say absolutely not he is the number one kid coached. Then it's not close. I have a I do have a someone with NFL bloodline sent him coaching. Now that that I think is going to be a really really exceptional player by Christians number one. And he's number one by far coach, I can't I can't thank you enough for taking some time with us here today, we do appreciate it. Then we're looking forward to watching Christian as this journey continues for him as I know yours. Well, I am. Thank you DJ. Thank you Bucky guy. Hi buckeye. Look, you get a chance to talk to somebody. That's been around these players at a young age. Tremendous insight offered their by coach Dougherty you. Tremendous, insight, big believer. You know, coming from our background. We would talk to high school, teachers and coaches trying to get even more perspective. And so to have someone who was around Christian doing those formative years continues to just kind of cement the case. And that he is not on the topic. But he's a great AA plus person. And so love the inside that he was able to share about Christian. Yeah. It sounded like he didn't take long for him to stand out amongst his peers there in Massachusetts what a phenomenal high school player in something that carried over quite easily to the next level. What do we got next year? DJ thing that we talked about with the clips at tixx. It's not just one guy. You talk about four guys that we could talk about. So the next one we're gonna talk at all American defensive tackle. We were able to catch it with his mom. Julia Parker that is the mother of all American decks Lawrence. Can you tell us about some of the stories about him growing up? What what sports was was Dexter into in? And how was he has an athlete as a young kid? Well, I he was into baseball. And then he started like in basketball. And then his father actually got him into football. And they won the little meet championship or like, boys and Girls Club when something like that. And so then he started like football. But his passion with basketball, you think that that passion. And in that time he spent on the basketball court. I gotta believe for somebody is big and strong as he is the lettuce schism in his quickness. I'd imagine you saw that displayed on the basketball court at a young age. Oh, yes. Pretty a pretty special pretty special player there. Now, my partner here on our podcast Bucky Brooks, his father had chance to coach Dexter. He was his coach in highschool now can use can you share with us any good stories between Dexter and his coach that I can share with my co-host Bucky. So he loves Cobra. He he always come home and Cam I like coach wrote. Well, you know, his son I think dad's a little bit more likable than the sun. You know, the sun can be you know, you never know what you're going to get with him. So no, I'm just kidding. We love Duckie here. I want to go into the decision to go to Clemson. Because I understand things did not go that great. When you when you all went for your visit there, Clemson, tell us that story. So we went there. It is. Junior year. I want to say a we've we we wasted Florida state game plan against Florida play Clemson. And then after the game we got into a bad accident. We got it was like a three car accident. Somebody hit a we ended up getting somebody. Oh while and so the car was totally lows, and we drove home in a total loan car because we would you so upset we were going to sit at night. But I was like oh, no at times. He is saying like, oh, we going home. Well, you might be thinking there. Maybe this isn't the place to be then this did not end up. Well at the end of that visit. Oh, no. You coming here. What changed? So it changed because Cobb him corridas Bank that summer when he was about to become a thing. And it was like, oh, no. We gotta have YoM back here. We got an show y'all with Clemson is all about. What happened? I mean, well, we we drove up here. And so when we get back there are like, okay. Some fully different. You magin it being a better experience with all the winning and the production and the fun. It looked like that group had during his run their Clemson. I can't imagine could go much better. Yes, I'm so happy that he chose just because of the winning. Just because the overall environment. Well, I'll tell you what I I'm excited for this next chapter for your son because all the background work that I've done on on my I've got nothing but positive about him as a as a worker as a leader in is just as cold young man, and he is a dynamic football player who's going to hear his name called in the first round of the upcoming draft. And I cannot wait to see where he lands and follow his career. And I know that there will be maybe one person works cited than Dexter on draft night. And that is you and you deserve it. You done a great job raising that young, man. And we thank you so much for taking some time for us today. Thank you. I got a chance to talk with his mom is one thing. That's always special. I'll tell you. What else is great? When you get a chance to talk to the high school coach of these players, but let's take that to the next level. Because not only are we going to talk to the highschool coach for Dexter Lawrence. It's a man plucky node. Speaking does a little bit pretty well considering his father Blake Brooks. All right DJ is not often that I get a chance to call the house to talk about a prospect that we're gonna talk about on the three sixty series. However, my dad blade Brooks coach at Wake Forest high school had an opportunity to coach to Lawrence. So we're gonna bring them in and pops look this is your debut. We'll give you an opportunity to talk about decks. And I want to go all the way back to the first time that you saw Dexter walk through the halls of the school. What did you think about when you met Dexter? Well, the first time I saw Dixon villa was. Parent night in the main gym where we invite all the parents with their kids to sell out program to promote football program and when Dexter walked into the door. I said excuse me five offended about it. Blessed be the neighbor. Great. He was the biggest fourteen year old. I have ever think mass. How? And I might have emerged drink too. Over to him to make sure that offense ally, cotillion, I. That's not. You went straight to praise music. Dexter. That's fantastic. Well, the blessed drop program, really. Dead. So you told me a lot about Dexter being fourteen. But he wasn't really a football. Only guy. You talked about having to lure him away from basketball. What kind of athlete was Dexter as a young player? Decks, I had a lot of -bility a lot of jealousy and his foot were was fantastic. The thing that basketball helped him more than anything else that we just footwork, but he was fantastic basketball player. And there was a tow between playing football with us and playing AU basketball one time, he got bored with because we had him on the JV at first because we just want him to you know, where it is beat and he quit. Will he stayed home? A couple of times because he thought football was bored. So immediately region I win it got. And we bought them up the varsity because he was so dominant that no one could block it mo- JV, and we found out he was so dominant. They couldn't Voss. True story. Coach was he there at the same time as Bryce love where they were they teammates. Yeah. Bryce love. Did you have still Dexter? A don't don't hurt Bryce. Did. You have to tell him at some point in time. Hey, we need Bryce we need Bryce to be healthy Dexter practice. You gotta take it easy on Bryce will what we did. We. Are we emphasize the decks not the touch rice or the quarterback? So we didn't allow him to tackle. In about on offense, really? He was Dan goods that dog. Okay. So so so dad there there's been a lot of fascination about what Dick's could be at the next level. Clemson used him as a nose tackle primarily. Do you think he is just a nose tackle? Do you think he has the ability to do more than just be a guy that plays right over top of the center? He has a -bility to play anywhere on the defensive line. Mostly we lied to move it three they take knee. And then we will move from around dependent on the blocking scheme, but the offense we'll plan against our opponent. That's a complete anywhere on the defensive line. We even line them up on office line a couple of times during doing playoff game. Just a change of pace the play big boy football power football coach. I would imagine you had a parade of college coaches role on through there during during recruiting. What was it like during that process? I would imagine just constantly. You must have had head coaches rolling through your school. It was it was different because we never had to play of death to caliber. So he was special and a lot of a lot of head coaches came through. And he just kept a lot of things on the download. So they wouldn't be he wouldn't get distracted. And we help them through that process. But yes, when they found out about him, it was it was unbelievable. Unbelievable. And he proved Tuban urban saying that they saw in him. In fact, Clinton kind of just wanna him at the end to be a nose tackle. And but Dixon, really hasn't shown Bill to in my opinion. Because when he lives up at three techniques, he is a terrible. He wants to be great. He wants to be dominant and years he dominated every opponent that we play even though we lost a championship game with him. Dominant performances and you made everybody around him. Oh, you dad and thinking about some of the adversity or any adversity hit been anything that you can think of where you've seen Dexter have to overcome an obstacle. They versity that will make him better prepared to play and be successful in the pros. Well, I hadn't been around him much since he's been at Clemson. But. I would think do versity that I've seen that we know about it. We got her to Clemson. And it took a while for him to get back because that's the first time you've been hurt before. But he did overcoming. And that shows how hard he worked how hard he believes in his ability. So and at one point we used to talk all the time about promos aids and debts wanted to be and wanted to be empty. I agent. So I told them he'd be the biggest FBI. Well, he would. He was gonna be about. Coach last question from me. What do we have to do to get a Wake Forest high school Granada hills school never cross country? A father versus son Brooks versus Brooks. Maybe you guys can meet and Texas and we can play that game. There. We got to make this happen. Coach. BJ? I have been married forty nine years. I would not play my son against my son. Coming this house wife. I'll move over the Granada and a coach for him. He will be talk. Okay. Okay. I'll take that. Puffs? Thanks for thanks for coming on the move. The sticks podcast you're inside on deck series. Great. Thank you very much. Let me got. One thing that I do know is me and my dad adores Dexter, Dexter has really left a strong impression on him. Not only in terms of like the kind of players that he coaches in the standard eighty said on the field, but just how he was in the classroom and with others in the community. And so when we think about Dexter in his impact man, how about Clinton Farrell an impact that he has made. And so we want to kind of check in with a couple of people that norm. Really will we've talked to his older brother Sigmund feral and his high school coach Gregg lily. Sigma first question from me. Why don't you tell us a little bit about your family, the the number of siblings there for your brother? And and what it was like growing up in your household. Actual number seven is in total is nine cleaning the youngest of all of them. And he's the youngest son and grew up in a house. So it was pretty much family was pretty much on. My dad was military. I was military. My brother buying was military. My brother cleaves after he's a originally police officer. So and his mom is military. So we had the military burn growing up and had a lot of respect for the military. So that's pretty much. We kind of shows Cleveland's affection for the military. He went to Benedict team, which is the military prep school as well. So we kind of grew up having respect for the military, and and just type family. My dad always believe in looking out for each other. And and being titan and taking care of family. I I want to go back to his beginning. There isn't athlete because I understand his his early athletes ISM was displayed not on a football field. But soccer field. That's right. For sure lot of people don't know about Cleveland is actual first team sport was soccer and me and his brothers. We played basketball ran track and tennis play tennis. But my dad wanted him to have his own identity. Do something different. And it was soccer. And he was a great soccer player that young age. But it got to the point with me. And my brothers wanted him to play football. I had sons that play football. So we wanted to get him on the football field and do something different. My his mom and my dad were reluctant at worried about him getting hurt, you know, and we kinda urged them Cup pressure in them, and they finally relented get my opportunity and once he got out there. He his first game. I actually remember he was getting double team pushed to the ground and his spare little broken, and he had tears in his eyes. And I remember my father and my brother Byron I put them to the sideline. And we told him asked him what was going on. Why you tears, and you say keep pushing me to grant a double team, and we told them nobody double team because they see that you are threat. The great so use that you have just got bigger don't mean they're stronger and he went back out on that field, and he dominated the rest of that game. And that's when I knew I said, my brother right there. He he has the heart, and that's what it took. So I knew from that point on from college to high school. He was getting double team because his talent level and people fear them. And and he realized it wasn't the fact that he can make every play but given opportunities for other people to make lace. What was it like have you got a chance to be around him in the team or during his his college career? Did you notice did you pick up on the bond between this group of defensive linemen? We see all these guys entering the NFL at one time here. It's a pretty unique story. Well, you know, what it wasn't? It wasn't anything shocking to me. That's how we were raised as brothers who were knit. We look out for each other and to see him transcend Ed upon his teammates and stuff. I wasn't shocked at all he love those guys. Like like, he said there'd be at his when you'd be there. And and I think I would give props to dab. He the culture that he brought as far as family and them guys they play for each other. Pistol now in book look at he gets buried by Cleland furrow. Well, he's he is such a fun player to watch. If you were going to describe them. I'm gonna ask you to you know, we we have a scouting background here. So I'm gonna ask you is big brother here to put your scouting hat on a little bit. And tell me what what's what's to make him hidden great at the next level. He's dominant at the college level. What's gonna what's going to carry him for to making great the NFL level? It's mentality. His his his attitude. He's very humble, and he realizes at each level you start over and being addicting. I mean, he was great. But he had to earn that. And then getting to Clemson he he had to earn that. So nothing is given to him. He always earned everything you had works hard. And he plays what his team and he wants to learn and he doesn't want to let anybody down. So he's eager to get out there. I tell people he's very humble if you comes to my home, he'll sit here, and you wouldn't think he even played football. But when he put that uniform on he turns into a totally different person. He turns into a beaks, and that's just type president is he cares for everybody. And I think that that's what he's going to transcend on that locker room. I cannot wait to to watch him compete at the next level. One of my favorite players to watch in this draft class, and you learn a little bit more about these players you find out where they've how they've gotten to where. They are it sounds like you have just an amazing family. Thank your entire family for their service, by the way. It's it's an honor to speak with you. But thank you for taking the time to speak with me. I really appreciate it. Hi, buck excited to be joined by Greg Williams. Head coach at Benedictine prep there in Richmond Virginia had a chance to coach one of the talented members of this Clemson defensive line coach first of all thank you so much for taking some time for us today. And first question for me, tell me the first time you you got to see Cleveland feral, and what your impression was. I met Cleveland when he was an eighth grader he was at a middle school, and he was coming into the interview to through the admissions process to hopefully be accepted to Benedict him. And quite honestly, I remember meeting his mom more than I remember being Cleveland because his mom's very impressive lady. And and I she she was the one that brought him in. And she was in a former staff NCO in the in the army. So we got a connection through our military service. But you know, Cleveland was just a tall. Gangly awkward kind of dorky kid is an eighth grader. Thinking about him being told and gangly as an eighth grader described. The first time that you had a chance to watch him move around being in football or doing another sport. We're just watching move around a little bit when he was playing basketball eighth grader. But then also as you got into the weight room with us that summer and with his length, you did of say man, this kid's got a lot of potential, but quite honestly, the resulting in that class that would come in. And we probably thought we're going to be a little better football players. Shows you what we knew back that. So coach for those that don't know you mentioned, you touched on your military background Cleveland comes from very heavy military family, but Benedict and as a school, it's not just a traditional high school. Can you kind of explain the the environment there? We're an all boys Catholic military ace school. So we're in one of two or three in the country that are sort of set up this way, and it is a very unique format in the fact that we're all boys it allows these guys to be able to come here be themselves. Come into Vella personality, not being afraid to to sort of dream big. And you'll see Cleveland right that sometimes on his his arm band when he was planning. Clemson. We give guys the opportunity to come in here and not been frayed to fail because the social settings is really pretty easy. It's about two hundred and fifty fourteen to eighteen year old guys that become like brothers and has a military school. Honestly, it gives us a little bit of routine a little bit structure, but I was in the marines were not special forces here, it just gives us an added sense of discipline throughout the day, and and routine, and I think the guys like that structure more than anything else. It creates a little, and I think that's the thing that. Probably. Cleland remembers the most about this place is the brotherhood. I think what you know, Mr. admitted barrel were looking for was probably a little bit of that structure and routine and felt like Cleveland probably needed that thrown his high school years. Thinking about that discipline in structure because you've been around Cleveland for so long. How is he intrinsically motivated? How does he keep himself focused on dreaming bigger? Having higher aspirations without others. Kind of fueling those dreams and aspirations. I think he comes from a great family. I think he comes from a family that it's just natural for them to serve their community to serve the country to serve God. I remember visiting Cleveland and Clemson a year or two ago and his goal on their team list was to serve from those. The only two words he wrote out was to serve, and I think he learned that from his parents, I hope we were an extension of that during high school years, and I know the coaches the community the players is fellow defense alignment, Clemson. I know those guys have been a great impact on him and continued that philosophy of helping others. And I think that's been a big thing. You know, just been put into him by his family and still spent mice family. Goes we saw him at the collegiate level on the biggest stages in the in the lights were the brightest. He was at his best. You can go back and look at the Alabama game last year playing for national championship against an elite opponent, and he took his game even higher to a new level. Is there an example of him at the high school level, maybe against one of your better opponents rivalry or a moment where you saw him kind of embrace that spotlight and the challenge. His first game as a sophomore. He ended up we had played JV freshman that tells you how smart we are. And we played in one gate is first game is a software. He has three sacks and probably five tackles for a loss. So we sat there and said, I think I think we got so many pretty special here. His junior year. We're we're planning good conference. And there was a couple teams that we play that had some guys that were never d one guys, and he really stepped up in those games games against fourteen in case against liberty Christian came against woodberry forest, and it was it was good to see that. But the thing with him. I think more than anything is his day to day to approach to things his willingness to get better as willingness to be coached. I think that's Wisconsin apart from a lot of our guys, you know, our players here. But I also think is in college me wasn't the quote unquote, five star guy coming out. He was a high highly rated recruit, but he wasn't a top ten guy. And I don't think he's been one of those guys put a chip on the shoulder. I just think he gets up every day and wants to go to work. You don't go in thinking about guys that that want to go the work. He's had overcome a little bit versity in his life. Can you talk about some of the obstacles he's had to overcome to make his way to being on the verge of being a top NFL draft pick. But he he blew out going into his senior year at the we had played we'd played a one scrimmage, and quite honestly have probably take him out about twenty plays into it. Because we couldn't get a look at anybody else on fest. He's making every time. So we got him into the second scrimmage, and again guys can't get even get their hands on him. But he's chasing a quarterback down and doesn't get hit. And just pops as me blows his Neil. And so he tours ACL, and I'll never forget it. He was sitting in this office with me and with coach York, and we told him that you had torn ratio you're going to be out. You're seeing new year. And this is when you can kinda tell he was growing up a little bit, and you can see unselfishness he started crying, and my response to of course, was clearly you're going to be fine. Clemson still watch you. And you've got a great future ahead of you year to get bigger stronger faster. And he said got actually got emotional and got upset with me and said coach out care about any of that. I just. Wanted to play with my classmates. I wanted to play with my teammates. I wanted to win a state championship in my senior year for my school. And and that's what it was kind of like guys this guy really hit this guy understands football. This guy understands the meaning of being teammate and being unselfish and committing to others. And and I will tell you that was just an injury. The biggest adversity that Cleveland said to deal with his father died when he was in ninth grade here have been and I'll never forget, it is father came in with with two brothers and. Came in sat down with myself from one of our military instructors and said now, I'm I am got cancer. Again. This is the second time I've gotten it. I may not be around here for long, and you know, when I go I just need you to make sure that you push my son is much as as you possibly can that he's got a chance to be great. And we just wanted to work as hard as possibly can to achieve all of his potential, and I don't think his dad was talking about the NFL or the NBA. I just think he wanted him to be a great, man. And that was I I can't remember now I've been doing this fifteen years. I guess the only time that's happened. And it was a little humbling, obviously that we were in that position to hopefully, mold this this young man at form this young, man. It was also something I very much look forward to. But the nice thing is we're in a place here to where. There. You know, when we go to the desk fear about eight eight eight weeks later, two months later, you know, his whole JV all of his teammates were there. And and you can tell Cleveland sad. But I'll never forget the smile on his face at his father's funeral when he saw Ramon Jones, Emily campbellton in all of his teammates and his classmates from school. And that's when you just do he was a good kid. He was a kid who trusted his friends who trusted his classmates and loved being a part of the school loved being a part of the team a loved being part of a family, and it was willing to take their support and their love at work through them process. Coach you've you've given us some great insight here on your former player and last question for me. And I'll let you run again. Thank you for your time. But when you when you learn everything we've learned about a Cleland from from family members from coaches from teammates at Clemson from coaches at Clemson, I don't know coach, I we've been doing this Bucky myself and scouting for a long time scouting in the NFL. And and when you part painting a picture of a person like this not just a player, but the person I just find it hard to believe that Cleland's going to be anything. But I mean anything other than successful. I mean, he is I don't want. I hate the word can't miss it. It's it's always bad, bad luck to say that. But in your opinion, I mean, there's this kid carry any risk at all. Because I sure don't sit. From a character standpoint me you guys can do the evaluation and all those pro scouts and pros cope pro coaches to the evaluation scheduled enough to play. I know this. He's a guy. I want to be around all the time. This family are people. I want to be around all the time. He's a high character guy. If you know, if if I'm, you know, figuring out a group of guys that I wanna be around that I want competition with Cleveland's one of the first guys I want my team. And you know, I I don't know if that means he's he's good enough to have you know, to be an all pro or good enough to to have a long-term for the NFL. I know he'll be successful in whatever he does. Because he's just a high character young, man. Coach where he certainly learned a lot about character working under your tutelage. Thanks so much for joining the mood is sticks podcast. We really appreciate your contributions to the pocket. I thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Hey, buck. It's it continues to check all the boxes for me on feral. I mean when you talk to people that know him at the school. And now you get a chance to dig a little bit deeper into his background. You can tell military background. It's shows to everything that you see and hear about him tough discipline reliable. Dependable all those words continually come up, and when you get a chance to dig in his background. It starts all makes sense. It does make sense. I mean, you're talking about with these these guys I think the thing that stands out talk about great ape people guys who are terrific people. Great in the community. Great with the people that really have impacted them. They love positives impressions. And then when you see the tape is easy to fall in love with them failed as a guy that is easy to root for I love all the positivity about a story. And I think he's going to continue to do great things when he gets into the league. One of the people we really looking forward to to chatting with as we're doing this three sixty series focusing on these Clemson defensive lineman. I don't know there's a better one to talk to Tom Lou Bill who is ESPN recruiting lead analysts there. He's also doing these college football games each and every week at ESPN. He's been doing a long time easy. Very sharp football mind. Played the quarterback position son of a coach. I mean, he's sharp as it gets. And who would better know these kids from Clemson, not only what they did at the collegiate level, but circling all all the way back to their highschool days. Tom first of all I want to focus on these these Clemson kids these defensive linemen and go back to high school. I know obviously, Dexter Lawrence following recruiting loosely. I mean, even I was aware of who he was and how highly coveted he was what was he like high school player wall? I would make the argument in that particular class which featured Nick Bosa Ed Oliver featured Christian Wilkins a slew of defensive lineman. You could make an argument that he was the most talented of them pound for pound. But he didn't play that way each and every play is production was down because he didn't have the motor of an Oliver or a Nick Bosa. But when he turned it on he was as good as anybody in the class. And I you know, I've watched him Volve now at Clemson. And I think he's an undervalued mass Russia or pocket collapse will because of their substitution of what they did it. Pull them off the field on obvious. Passing down. So you didn't really see what he's capable of as a pass rusher. And I think it's much more than he gets credit for. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean early what his freshman running at seven sacks. And then they kind of went to the race car package. And he's out when they're in sub. But even as a pocket pusher. You've been around football a long time when you've got ED's rushers. It's nice when you take away that escape hatch. When you've got somebody that can the pocket in the middle. Yeah. You know, he's built like a to gaffer, but he runs like a one gaffer. He's got that initial first step burst that you see out geyser dramatically smaller than he is. So you know, you kind of look at it and say well could he play at the one? Yeah, he could because he can anchor the point of attack. Can you play the three technique yangs problems? We quick enough to do it. I think again, it's it's about developing that consistent motor. So you get the consistent production playing in play out with Texas. How about his teammate there in Christian Wilkins from come out of the northeast correct there? What was his was the high on him and the buzz on him as a prospect is high school? So, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar, but we put together the Under Armour all America. Absolutely and compile the rosters. And so the level of high school football, you know, natural please not going to be what it is in the state of Georgia or Texas or California or Florida. And so we place a lot of stock on number one. Does he dominate the competition? He was planning that answer was an unequivocal. Yes. Then when we got him involved in the Under Armour all America game, and you see him throughout the week, which you glean so much more than just the game. It's just like the senior bowl for the same reasons. He was a dominant force it to possessions on the edge. And then, of course, defensive tackle. And if you if you fast forward to his freshman year any kind of played on the inside he played in the kicking game. And he was a productive contributor on a lot of areas. But when they had some injuries in they had to move some guys around his software you played almost exclusively in the defensive end spot. So I think his his versatility his passion for the game. This is one of those guys these. Ejei that loves the game of football. And I I don't think you can ever undervalue that. And I think it shows in his play. He's somebody that just talking to buddies that have gone in there on school visits and talking to people that I know around that program. I mean football character is that term that just keeps coming back to me. And it is it is off the charts with this kid always a smile on his face was the game loves the weight room rallies the troops. I mean, he checks all the boxes that you can't coach. And I think that maybe what he lacks in, you know, Ed, Oliver type athleticism. He's gonna make up for and some of those areas that are not only gonna make the team better. But they're gonna make your locker room special. Absolutely. We'll from one kid who's highly thought of in that department to another one clue them feral is another one who, you know. Just get going reports about him. Not always is a player, you can see that. But but as a kid about him in high school, I I don't remember what his what his situation was. I know he was hurtling towards ACL his senior year. So was he was he really did the radar for everybody. He was throughout the entire process. In fact, he didn't get to play in the Under Armour all American game because he tore his cell. He was one of those kids that you loved because you saw high ceiling for development. He wasn't a big bulky kid. He had length. He was all you looked at you said, oh, man, we can get this kid in the weight room than we can get him developed a we can bring him along at a reasonable pace. And that's exactly what they did. Now, in my opinion. There's one thing that he's probably always lacked in that's elite flexibility in bend. But he compensates with fantastic production. He uses his hands. He's got better functional strength than people think that he does. And I think he's got an array of moves where he can counter. So there's there's a lot of football acumen in nuance to him in my opinion because he's just a good football player. You know, sometime you're trying to put your finger on what it is. It makes it special sometimes you just back away and say, it's just a good player. He just. Makes plays. And when the lights were bright, look just look at what he did against Alabama and the to Craxi go. Yeah. And Joan Williams we now the kind of the forgotten man in this Clemson front is Austin Bryant who is a really good football player. And fortunately, just gets overshadowed by the rest of the group there. He does I kind of liken it to Albert Huggins. All the hullabaloo about Dexter Lawrence. Not being able to play in the college football playoff. Did anybody notice? I mean they today. Just fine. They were fine. It's just I think that's what makes us Clemson groups. So good is you can have a great player. Get overshadowed for two reasons. Number one other great players around him. But because of those great flares. Maybe he doesn't get the number of snaps that he would have gotten had he gone maybe somewhere else on the conference or another program outside of the conference. Yeah. Buckets. It was it was pleasure to talk to Tom. He he's dialed in on these kids. He's dialed in on a very young age. I'm sure you're crawl your paths cross with Tom all the time doing all the work. You do on the high school level. Tom was always at the events. He was always at the opening finals. So he does know these guys he knows him. Well, he is a top recruiting analysts and his perspective and insight really helps us have even greater perspective on what these guys were where they came from where they're going and how they could impact the league as Bros. We'll look the guy who has had maybe the biggest impact on these four players has been their head coach, Dabo Swinney. Listen, he's worse. Coach everyone is really excited about your defensive line. So many guys that have the opportunity to go from Christian Wilkins to Dexter Lawrence and others. What makes a group so special their commitment? I mean, they're not they're talented, but their commitment in work ethic. You know, you take great talent, plus great work ethic and character, you get a superstar. And that's what they are. I mean, they're special human beings that just happened to be great football players. They work at it. I mean, they they technically you know, grind they mentally grind. They physically grind and good. Lord. Gave him a ton of talent to go with it. Got chances to catch up coach Sweeney keys, man, he is he's quickly emerged on the mount Rushmore of college head coaches here over less over years. Nothing short of what Alabama is done. I would say that. Nobody's doing what Clemson has been able to do and they've been able to dethrone the crimson tide on two occasions. So it's it's a special group that he is built their special program. And it's great to get his insight on these kids unit is greed to get his insight on the kids. I mean to a man these kids have have really been positive and complimentary of Daboh in his impact on them. And so. Devo deserves all the kudos that he gets finale Bill and a great program, but really making sure that you develop players to right way. No-doubt great here from the coach referred for a lot of people in the past that that no these kids. Well, let's hear from these players themselves. Let's start here with the defensive ends. Let's hear from Cleveland feral and Austin Bryant. You guys are part of a powerhouse. Now. I guess Clemson is the powerhouse in college football based on to success. Did you guys at doing your careers? Cleland talk a little bit about the Clemson experience. I feel I Clemson is where there's where a college recruiting needs to be not where they so much want to be, you know, you're going to have a great time. But if you wanna go somewhere where growth is going to be the biggest thing, and you want to grow as a player man and be talents and held accountable and also habits has to win championships. Like everybody wants to do. I feel like Clemson is top from top to bottom the best school for man for Austin wise, Clemson such a special place right now. Yeah. Does echo in a lot of what Cleveland said, man. I went to Clemson indefinitely became a man, I grew more so off the field. And I did on the field. Clemson is definitely a place for kids that you know, how to write traits to be a great human being to be a great person in life, and to be honest Simpson nurtures and makes it even better. So the person that I was when I first walked on campus and the person that I was when I walked out. To totally different people more mature and just became a complete man. You're one of the things that Clemson has always been able to attract has been defensive lineman. There's a long story tradition of guys that play up front. Not only having success in Cosby going onto the league. What is it about the tradition and upholding that standard that has been created by your predecessors, man? You know, I feel like it goes back to win Mia Hamm were freshmen in shack and Kevin die where you know, the two the two guys I was up next. They had a great season. And it's like, you know, when you the next person or the next group of guys supposed to step in and uphold legacy enough. Hold standard that we have on at Clemson is like, it only takes a work ethic mindset, and it really excites you get your opportunity to do do those things. So it's a blessing to go to a school where you come from a great, you know, football DNA DNA, but you really have to push put the work in a really become the pleasure when it being opposed. Austin? Why is it that the D line continues to be so dominant de LA is a great position at Clemson. And his definitely position at likely said has been great there. They have done everything that we wanna do in the future. And I think for us when we were young guys like you said we seeing shack we've seen Kevin Dodoo it. So for us. We didn't wanna let anybody down. So that religious fuel her hall. We were gonna determination we had to be great as a whole and eventually grew into a leadership role and bringing the young guys along too. So I think that's what makes it so special is that the older guys it's their time. They pull the younger guys along. So when they finally airtime, you know, that cycle just keeps going. I mean, obviously, you guys we can talk about the guys before you put at the current moment. Like, you guys had four guys that are gonna have an opportunity to play in the National Football League, Cleveland, what was the competition like in that defensive linemen man, it only made us better. But I feel like the best thing about it. And things that a lot of people don't really take value. When his that we were closed before we stepped on the field together. So that was something that really really made us better than we. We wanted for each other. We want for ourselves, man. We could push each other limits that I couldn't really explain to you know, what I made some it was a blessing to play with these guys. Like you said we had to FIFA plays. I did because I got him and Christian decks really out there ball and doing their thing. So I'm trying to fight for, you know, just to have my own type impact on against it was used man and said come from great tradition. I'm happy that we kind of set our own legacy. And I feel like we the best route ever do at Clemson or in the history of college football. So is a blessing. Yeah. Definitely, man. And I feel I was says us apart is we're just as great people as we are players. And I think that's a combination that you don't find very often that whatever program you go to all alone the defense salon and took correction. We've got five de Llamas about to get drive it so album Huggins to but as a testament to the people that coast he brings into the program that religious keeps us Eichel going great athletes as well. You know, coach Winnie, you know, people really talk about like coaching and kind of making his way to the top. But what are you from? You guys is how he's really nice leader of men in how he really nurtures the program. Cleveland talk about coach Sweeney, man, I love I love the culture that he brought to Clemson, man. His like you said, he's a leader of men. So his whole program is player lead. So he puts it in our hands to to to to take the program as far as we wanna go, not many coaches, do that mini coaches want to, you know, be on top of every single thing. Get forced the players to to be great. But he really just challenges us to do those things on our own. And that's what I feel I made us grow. So well, just as far as people men in players man because he really puts it in the players hands. Like, we had this thing called a Sweeney council where he acts as far opinions not just about how we're playing. But about how to program is being ran. How's the food has the treatment going how how coaches treat and different things like that? And that's something where he values are paying, you know, as men and spiritually as well. He he opens a door for us to grow there as well. So it's a blessing to have a man like that, you know, represent our school for sure Austin, what impact has Deb. Oh had on you. I think the biggest thing that coasts Sweeney, a figured out is that you know, that the most important resource in college football is the people that make it happen. And that's the players like Lewellen say we're player driven program. So he gives us as much opinion, you know, as we can give tomato program better to make it better for those coming behind us. And like I said Br bringing in the right people in the program. Gonna permeate the correct culture that you need to not only just be a powerhouse football team. But also have that family environment where players want to come near. They sent something different whenever they Clemson rather than any other school in the country women, we're excited to continue to see you guys taking the next step on your football journey excited. Here all your names on draft night excited to see what you guys are able to do NFL players and beyond. Thanks so much for joining the move the sticks podcast. Thank you so much. All right buck where we've heard outside. Right. We got a chance to listen to your conversations with the defensive ends in this Clemson front. Let's move inside. You had a chance at the NFL scouting combine to catch up with Christian Wilkins index or Lawrence and here are those conversations. You guys are coming from a very successful program having been to couple of national titles. One claim claims trophies Christian house did experience at Clinton prepared you to have success at the next level. While felt like, you know, we'll just I on foremost, just you know, the way Clemson hope grimace as men, first and foremost and just as people for like, that's the most important thing. Definitely. And you know. Yeah. It was, you know, program the coaches and guys and everybody involved and the people who are just around the facility, but the players really I thought we each other a lot off the field to be the best people. We can be first and then the best athletes as well. And I just feel like all the lessons. I learned just you know, going against the best every day in practice. You know, I feel like no matter like anything I ever saw in a game in college never better than what I saw in practice on definitely for like unprepared on the football side of things, you know, decided just decided to see why ended up and just not how this process will play on. I think I'm definitely ready for the next level Dexter. How about you? I mean, just a pig about what he said, I mean going to Clemson. And I mean, that's kind of things you expect to happen. You know to grow as a man as a football player, and you know, just having that kind of support around you just to help you to guide you, isn't it? They not holding your hand. But you know, they just give you a vice here, and there, you know, joining examples of what not to do or like, you know, Sweeney out sting was like be these up, in example, kinda do. So I mean, that's kind of how you're supposed life in kind of live. So there's visit tradition there, obviously in the D line room. You guys not only discourage collection. But they've been a lot of guys that have kind of warned the orange and going on to have success in the National Football League Christian. What does it like to live up to the tradition of the defensive line that has been establish? I mean is great. And you know, the pri- like didn't know that others pressure at Clemson, you know, especially when you're on the D line. You got to, you know, not only live up to the expectations, but exceed them for like, you know, because of the gods before it's all of our predecessors, Grady too shy away of Josh Watson, you know, Carlos DJ. Those guys big Beasley, you know, day Kwame bottles. We put so much pressure on ourselves as men in that room. You know, just coming there like we got to play to to the standard of Clugston, de Lyon. But also take it to another level. You know, I feel like we did that as a unit and as a group, and that would just our hope is that the next guy's group of guys see what we did in only, you know, even keep Clemson program going in the D line. So it it it's it's funny because you have a unique situation with so many guys in that room. They have an opportunity to be the first one or the second one off the board Dexter. How does the internal competition between you and your fellow teammates defensive line play out in practice? I petition we push each other every day. You know impact issue we trying to set the tone. We trying to be the guy you know, to make difference play to get to team road. You know, you know, just just blessed to be a space like, you know, these guys just, you know, pushing you to be your best, you know, going. I mean, I I want to say other places. But there we we we had to be best every day. You know, you couldn't take a player. Off you couldn't take you know, could have that was critical. You know, you wanted to prove that, you know, you at a man kind of deal, but at the same time, we used a junior level each other. I I definitely agree. I feel like you know, it was great. Because this the relationship we have first of all like, we weren't afraid to hold each other counter boy and get after each other, and you know, beyond its other when we need to ball. So we just compete it. You know, just because it's like dang decks is taking on W. Splitting it make an attack on my Dev. Okay. Now, I gotta do some now. I gotta make it work coming off the fastest go now. Awesome. Like all right now. I gotta get my shine. Like now, I gotta do my thing. Like, you know, you like, you know, you don't want to be that new left our not doing their job. So like, you know, there's always that pressure is always that good competition. And it's the best because you know, about it the best in all of us for sure. So you guys have one of the best environments to play a home game and everyone talks about valley. You know, you had your district where you rubbed the rock. And then you come down the hill. So I just wanted to kind of take you back to that stadium. I want you to just come to picture this. You come around the bus take you round. You bought it come down the hill with you look down the hill. And there's someone at the bottom of the hill waving you down this. This down here and get his tail kicking. How'd you feel about that? Because as a young, man. Yeah. I'm might have been one of those guys. It may have done right. Right. Right. No, the teams mostly tend to teams and people who've done that got up getting there. But. Every time, you know. So. No one ever did that they knew better. We didn't lose too many home. We'll have one home game. When I was there. So I mean, you you if you don't want that problem, I can say that I learned my lesson. Waving down to here when I was in North Carolina. It it. It was a lot to it was a lot. Little just lost the Wake Forest, so we feel like they're ready now, we'll say Brian Dhaka's played the next year Brian index, and they came to chat we took care of business like we should have. But isn't one of those things just wanted if you if you? If you see someone you down, right? So look thanks so much for you guys. Joining the Mussa's podcasts best to look going forward. We're looking forward to hearing your names called on draft. I got a chance to to hear from the folks that no one we got a chance to hear from the players themselves. Now as we look forward, we've talked about what we believe these guys can be at the next level. But if we're trying to find kind of a range landing spot. Oh, where these guys end up. I would say starting off. I think there's a really good chance. The first pick will probably come down between Christian Wilkins and Cleland furrow. It'd be my guess those one of those two will be the first off the board. I would say followed by Dexter Lawrence followed by Austin Bryant with the first three going in the first round of my opinion. Austin Bryant, probably in that second third round range where were you out on these guys know, I'm with you? I think three guys that you mentioned first round possibilities Wilkins, Lawrence and feral. I think those guys will come off in the first round. I think if we had to go a particular order, I think Wilkins is going to be the first one to hear his name. Call followed by feral, and it Dexter Lawrence is right on that line being a first round or second round talent for those two guys. I think they come. I'm in. I think they're all day. One star doesn't have an opportunity to impact their team immediately. Bryant to me is the one that is kind of windows hidden gyms a guy that maybe it's taken in the second or third round. But he is being a surprise started by the middle of the year. And he gives you good contributions as a guy that is into rotation note. I look at a team like the Chicago Bears. They don't have a pick two third round buck. But if for some reason, a guy like awesome Bryant, would it be there, man. You throw him in there. Let him grow and develop learn from somebody like Khalil Mack. I think that'd be an ideal spot for someone like him ideal spot. You talk about someone that plays horrid. It has a knack for not only get to the past. But it start against a run those guys play in the league they play for a long time may not be a level player in the league. But you certainly can be a be level contributed and what they contribute for very long time. All right. Well, that's going to wrap up this edition of the three sixty series. This is on the Clemson defensive line. We have almost made it to the end of the road of our three sixty series. We have done Dwayne Haskins. We have done Nick boasts that we've done Daniel Jones. Now, you've heard the Clemson defensive line episode Kylo Murray yet the comeback. That's the grand finale force here. I didn't miss any. Did. I think that's all we see this all that. I think there's been an exciting time to keep out. Background information. Perspective all these telling together. So yeah, we call it Murree own deck, then when should be a phone. Well, if you haven't caught any of the other previous three sixty episodes, you can find those go on apple podcasts, you can find it on NFL dot com slash podcast. That's where you can find the move the sticks by guests, and you can catch up with us there. We've got all your graph names covered. We are going to be powering through to get to Nashville. And once we come out of Nashville, we'll have all the reactions everything you need to know about this year's draft. You can find it there and remember all of our video content. NFL dot com slash NPS video YouTube dot com slash NFL. We've got you covered. Thanks for listen here to move the sticks the three sixty series, featuring the Clemson defensive line. He's buggy Brooks. I'm Daniel, Jeremiah. She next time.

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BGN Radio Special: 2019 SBNation Writers Mock Draft, Eagles' Selection

Bleeding Green Nation

26:43 min | 2 years ago

BGN Radio Special: 2019 SBNation Writers Mock Draft, Eagles' Selection

"Leading green nation is on the clock as part of SP nations writer mock for the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. I am your host for this special BGN radio after sewed Michael kissed follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. It's K I S T as always joined by the dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day Benjamin. So like, Ben, how're you doing brother? Mike. Oh, come on might Everyday's a good day to be alive, especially when we get to pick. Chauncey garner. Johnson the twenty five not what we're doing builds e ran and gown on Twitter. How you doing brother? I'm doing good guys. Obviously, I am the executive vice president of football operations in this situation. I am Howie Roseman. So Ben, obviously, I get the final say here Zandt making me Halley 'cause I feel like he and I both looked like we're, thanks. So that's cool. And then Mike you can be Joe Douglas, and it's like you let yourself go and you became out. I love that. So yeah, what we're gonna do is. We're going to go through these picks because we're at pick twenty five now with this writers mock, you can find Espy nation dot com. Obviously, we're going to have a post up on this app leading green dot com going into a little bit more death about what's going on here. But here's what's happened. There are twenty four picks that have happened before us. Now, I have to make the case for my guy Ben has to make the case for his guy. And then Beal G is going to have the ultimate decision. So before we get into that guys. Is there anyone that stands out? For you. As far as who's been picked already 'cause there's been some weird ones right before us will will kind of go leading up to us at twenty. Byron Murphy to the Steelers twenty one the Seahawks took Jerry Tillery from Notre Dame defensive tackle. So he's off the board for us. We started to see decay Metcalf, the wide receiver out of ole miss slide or like that would be an interesting conversation considering the guys at the eagles have brought in for visits. He went to the ravens at twenty to Houston, Texas, take, greedy Williams cornerback. That's a quarterback off the board for the eagles. So that saves us trouble. Oakland, Raiders, take Noah fought tight end out of IRA, which saves us having a very interesting discussion about thirteen personnel. Also, some big names off the board, Cody Ford Garrett bradberry Andrei, Dillard, Cleland feral, Joanna Williams. They're all off the board the major tackles a lot of the major edges are off the board. Well, how did how did this thing shape out for you guys? Yes. So I was a little bit surprised here with the pigs or the players I should say still available at number twenty five definitely some guys who interested me still, you know, I. Think you look at a lot of mock draft situations these days, especially some of the ones ESPN, hyper and Todd mcshay and gets number twenty five, and you don't always love the options there at that pick and especially with those guys those analysts that early referenced usually have the eagles taking a box safety or a cornerback at number twenty five not my favorite options there at that pick. So I was very pleased kind of Alabama fell here. I mean, I dearly there might have been available or an offense of tackle. That would have been the most ideal angelie, but I'm still pretty happy with the picks available here at number twenty five in Christian Wilkins is on the board. Kanzi garner. Johnson is on the board. Chris Lynch room on the board. There's Josh Jacobs. Everyone's favorite running back, obviously still on the board. So I feel like we almost can't go wrong in this situation. So you put a poll up on Twitter from not mistaking asking about. I think it was those four prospects because you obviously have the need at running back. You have short. Term and possibly long-term need depending on Isaac c model. How you see him the recovery? Brandon Brooks at interior offensive line. Which is why that guard. Chris Lindstrom from Boston. College was put in there. He was worked out by just outlined at his pro day. And then the obvious guys that we always pound the table four on the kissing Solex show, Christian Wilkins and Chauncey Gardiner Johnson. What did the poll results give you on that Bill G from the fans? Yes. So you'll be shocked to hear this, but Josh seek ABS was very popular. But not I he came in second even though the traded for Jordan Howard. And clearly do not value the running back position, very highly. I mean, I tweeted this out on Monday following the news of Josh Adams, having shoulder surgery this off season that you know, you look at the eagles leading rusher since two thousand fourteen and that player hasn't been on the roster the next year. So definitely a position of flux for this team. Despite that I mean, he's still one of the most popular options for them. That's not surprising to me because you know, vans, always wanna running back, but he's not number one number one would be Christian Wilkins. Who is obviously another popular mock draft target and a player who might Penin fits with the eagles need and would be very intriguing for them at that spot. So we'll overall is the favourite. And I think there's a lot of feeling amongst you'll fans that he's not necessarily gonna be there at number twenty five, and I feel the same way. But there are some scenarios that having dropping such as this one. And that intrigues me. So Beal out of those four guys there's two guys that mean banner gonna be arguing about I might as well spoil it for later, but I'm going to be arguing the case for Christian bookends, the defensive tackle out of Clinton. Ben is going to be arguing the case for these safety from Florida Chauncey Gardner Johnson. Who was an official visit for the eagles. So that leaves two guys out from the poll, including a very popular one in Josh Jacobs running back out of Alabama. So we've talked about Kris Lindstrom as well. In our needs pod. I think that was episode eighty nine and then we did our rankings for this positions on episode ninety of the kissed and Solex show, and we talked about interior offensive line. If they don't take one early. We don't really see the necessity to take one later on this like a late late developmental tight because we looking for an instant upgrade there, and if not you're probably rocking with Matt prior as as your debt piece there. So Ben all kick it to you. And I'll have you describe why we aren't debating Josh Jacobs and Chris Lindstrom in this scenario. I simply think that when you're talking about around one player you're expecting a year one contributor rise. What we always wanna put the rounds of players into the framework of what they mean for your team round. One guys are gonna contribute in your one. It's hard to find a path for an interior offense of linemen lake Chris Lindstrom to contribute in your one. Because it seems to me very clear that the eagles have their left guard starter in Isaac Saint Malo and right now from what I understand Brandon books recovery. It's not to the point where he's expected to miss the. Of twenty nineteen and accordingly. They don't really need that sorta right guard maybe need a guy to fill in in the beginning of the season. But I don't think it's going to be I it's going to be as they need to address with around one pick. So Lynch drum while clearly guy eagles have done work on hasn't tackled versatility. Maybe as interesting is around two guy. You know, if he's still there, the value make sense round one to me doesn't make a lot of sense. And with Josh Jacobs will certainly there's more of a space for a running back to contribute in your one. There's no doubt about that. But are we talking about a the eagles giving one player twenty plus touches a game at the running back position? It's not what we've seen them do under under Doug Peterson and underdo Sailly. It's not the the way the elected to the running backs, and they already clearly have pieces in place in terms of Jordan Howard in terms of Corey Clement Darren sproles where they're gonna go by committee. You know, even if they love Jacobs round one and they wanted to get him around one. It's not like they'd be giving him a lion's share of the touch is a dominant bell county touches because. They have committee pieces in place that they like that they worked to acquire. So neither player makes sense at a value at twenty five whereas guy like Christian Wilkins immediate rotational. Rusher has the ability to enter a long late sets and get him in flesh on the field next to each other or Chauncey who made it becomes your safety. Three your big nickel. These guys have clear your one roles as well as salient they're gonna matter in your to your three. So with that said, let's get into the two guys. We'll start giving our pitches here. Beal jail ask you in your kind of set set up how we wanna do this who are you leaning towards right now. So of the options, I have only board here in Christian Wilkins is my guy, but I will say that it's really kind of a two man race here in that. I was really debating I am really the meeting between Christopher Wilkins in twenty Gardner Johnson. Okay. So with that said all let Ben go first and give his pitch and try to sway you early on. So that I can come with the hammer later on Ben do you? Give your pitch for Cianci Gardner Johnson. As the eagles selection at pick twenty five overall, certainly will. So that'd be algae my body. My friends might Allen have been even. Well, I. Good zone. Good. Glad to hear. You you watch to Jones play in Washington. Right. Yeah. And you remember watching the he had a couple other members that secondary. Who were good players? Remember watching Buddha? Baker that safe. Did you watch metal? Do you have a guy that Nelson uglier crossed over in the cardinals game must here. Okay. I'm gonna take a different approach now because he has one memory, and it's one round when we talk about safeties at the next level increasingly becoming valuables versatility. You talk with with eagles safety coach, Tim Hauck, you need to have safeties who can spend safeties who have ball skills. This is Chancey garner Johnson to t- you talked about, you know, people are mocking boss safety to the eagles. Chopping Johnson is a box eighth. He's a deep safeties split half say these Nickelback everything you could possibly want in a player. His versatility is like that amalgam Jenkins Jenkins lines up at linebacker any lines. But corny lines of bit safety Chauncey can do everything on the field. You can ask a safety too. Do there have been inconsistencies in his film Ecorse across the course of time in Florida that being said, it's well, no now that the Florida coaching staffs previous Dan Mullen, the will must champ staff back in twenty seventeen was so poor in terms of development that these players of out there flying by the seat of their pants. Sean is out there with with two interceptions and seven pass breakups playing deep safety, which isn't even his ideal role. It's not even where he was trained to be best in twenty teams. Closer land scrimmage a ton more nickel in. He's unbelievably effective fantastic production as well. So Chauncey in your one immediately the big nickel. He's going to be the best coverage safety. I said at the best man covered safety for the eagles. If he's like a twenty five Jiang's getting older losing some juice Chauncey steps is that big nickel option. And you're developing him as the deep safety to replace Rodney McLeod, he Malcolm Jenkins have unbelievable versatility. As the two stars twenty twenty. I'm beyond they can spend they can rock and roll they can rotate in both incredibly strong in man. Coverage is you never have to worry about tight end running back matchups Wilkins. Good player. You can get pass rushers on the interior especially third pass rusher. After the first round in this class. You can't get a player like Chauncey. I I think the opposite. I think you can get a ton of safeties in the second round at fifty three and fifty seven I've got eight guys that I could comfortably select there. But I will say as far as Chauncey Gardner Johnson. Goes we both have him at the exact same spots on our boards. Like if Christian Wilkins goes before this. I have zero reservations about taking their he's fifteenth on our big boards both of us. I love the player, and I agree with the pitch, and I like the cell there. I just have somebody. I like more we're going to dig into that player. I'm gonna give my pitch. We'll see if Benjamin so lack was able to sway the supreme leader Bill g after the break here on bleeding green nation may Everett. Hey listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The enemy our each Monday. We speak with the top athletes from world champions, two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional fighting. Find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. And we are back here on bleeding green nation for the SP nation writers. Mock so Benjamin Solex has given his pitch for the selection at twenty five for the eagles. Pounded the table for Tanti garnered Johnson I'd love the pick. But a guy that I love more than that. And there's a big separation between me and Ben here on this guy. So let's have the long tease long away discussion about Christian Wilkins the defensive Dakata Clemson twelfth overall player on my board. Ben, I think you have them around twenty six twenty seven I believe he's. Yeah. Twenty six so there's a Gulf there. Here's what I see. When I watched Christian Wilkins first off. Let's get some basic information out of the way and all throw in some analytics, so we've got six three three fifteen tested above average overall for that weight, which was to be expected really didn't change my grade. But it was a nice box to check looking at us production. Very accomplished very consistent for your player nine tackles for loss and five sacks in two thousand seventeen and then in two thousand eighteen had fourteen tackles for. Loss with five and a half sacks. So some analytical nuggets to go along with that his average depth of tackle is at point eight yards, which is better than all the top prospects around him that you'd consider that's a sign that he's either penetrating and making plays in the backfield. Or he's at least holding the line taking care of his gap meeting. He's not getting blown off a few yards and then sticking an arm out getting tackle per the two thousand nineteen sports info solutions rookie handbook fifth out of twenty four interior defensive lineman at forty two pressures fifth impression rate at twelve point two percent. So the analytical profile is good as well. In terms of where he was aligned that. Clemson you hear a lot of talk of him as a three tech and benefiting from Dexter Lawrence soaking up blocks at no Sackler one tech. But he actually took Wilkins did forty four percent of his snaps at what SIS is defining as nose tackle. That's only four percent less than Dexter Lawrence. So forty four percent at nose tackle fifty three percent at defensive tackle or three. And then the rest is at defensive end. It's like one and a half percent. I think we're all projecting him though, as three tech in the NFL. But there's some good extra context there, especially when it comes his production at the college level. So here's what I see from Wilkins from technique and traits perspective, explosive upfield first step quick in violent with his hands. Initially good, disrupt they're both in the past and run game. Now, some some negatives. I feel like he could do a better job. When his initial pass, rush is stoned. I think that's where you see the activation of his hands be a little bit late. And I also think against the run he doesn't lock out as well. As you would like, I think that has something to do with his below average arm length and wingspan I think that can get better with some refined technique overall though, he still disengages well in the run game. I liked the toolbox that he has in terms of the rush moves when he wins early. He's got the flexibility and quickness to make an impact on an offense for the fence. I think you see a guy with the package the full package to consistently create pressure and dictate terms. To offers of Wyman and stressed their past sets. Lastly, you have a guy who's got pretty good range and makes a fair amount of plays outside of the core. The formation working down the line laterally. What helps him in this area with his pursuit? And I think motor in general gets a little over hyped at times because we're really talking about a bad player that works like a dog to be decent. I don't think that's the case with Wilkins. He has a nonstop motor that only serves to accentuate his already existing strengths. And you're also talking about a guy who everybody is saying has a tremendous work ethic and football character. He's culture Nostitz you put him in any locker room, and he's going to be a plus in that regard and with the eagles. We know they like to Bill through those trenches and really get that rotation going ease the burden on guys like Fletcher Cox Millie Jackson, put them in better situations late in games where they're not having to work eighty percent of the snaps. You work that rotation with them. I think you're really cooking with gas with the pass rush as far as what he's going to give you from year. One impact. It's either. Either just as good as Tross he's going to give you or better. And then allows you later on down the line to continue to build those trenches without having to really reach for something. Ben any nitpicky thing you have to say about that argument amount. Obviously like, you know, I stopped listening halfway through. So it was super now two things. Then not to me number one. Yeah. Really, good tackle, Deb. But I would argue playing on the Clemson defensive line. It's not hard to give her the attack with that. You don't wanna run anywhere on that defensive line sound like in all of a situation where you just run where he isn't. You know what I mean? So to me, I don't like that the other thing is a year one impacts as compared to Chauncey. I definitely think Chauncey would play number on a higher degree of the snaps and number two. I don't think that Wilkins has the impact that Chauncey does in terms of Justice his ability, which he goes back to the fact that I have Chauncey ranked fifty Wilkens ranks into at twenty six, but I think driving Tron seizures objectively better player as more exciting playmaking ability. I think that the. Eagles desperately need that ball those ball skills on the secondary. And that's where I think those impact to come in his ability to generate pass breakups end turnovers. Put up percent on what you think the amount of snaps. We would get out of Chauncey versus Wilkins. Oh, wow. I mean, like, I think Wilkens gets about forty percent of this a string for because it depends on how healthy Ryan McLeod isn't how long, you know. What? I mean. Like, it's wall McLeod is healthy. I think that Cianci's getting thirty thirty five percent of the snaps per game early, but MacLeod potentially not being healthy to start the year means you're gonna be getting eighty five percent of the snaps during those games. Yeah. So there's a situation there that we don't know there is some unknown. But like if McLeod is healthy who are you taking off the field? You take Maddox off the field. You take who he will gets taken out when they run those big nickel bigtime sets that they like the run if is on the team in your nickel, you're probably going like Sewell Darby, and then Maddox, but once you get to six I think it's Chauncey. And then also it's gonna be situational. Vega's Cianci's is bigger than Maddox is gonna be better against bigger slots Mattis's comfortably. So they can run more nickel against like twelve personnel. It's very important to note. Like, it's very hard to say what that setups gonna be because the have to figure out the corner situation. And so I don't know who the heck's playing the slot of its mills or if it Sydney RV's mattox, it changes wench onto make sense when he doesn't in this hypothetically. Now, I mean, there's a lot to figure out on the secondary. Just the moral story to me is when you to play deep in twenty twenty and we need a safety three to provide depth now because of injury and to me, that's Johnny. Also can't believe that you would slander Trayvon Hester in this way. Every everybody knows on the biggest on has there ever was. And I can't believe you do not doubt his ability to be defensive tackle three. Shame on, you know, at the is going to be said same on you. The field. G do you have any questions for us before you make your final selection? Are you wavering at all I'm not wavering? I like both of these options allot, I will say like, I'm not disappointed in either of these guys. It's not so much about trying to tear down the other guy that I don't want to be happy with both of them. But I think I'm gonna go off the board here entirely in surprise you guys with my pick with number twenty five overall. I went to take Daniel Jones from Duke because now. Funny games. Not even funny game. I'm sorry. I don't even want to see if the listeners were still paying attention. And I'm sure they are now. Yeah. So I like these options both of them a lot. I see the case for both positions to know. We don't love drafting for need. But that's not what I see this as this two very talented players around the same level of talent just at different needs. So that's where I'm gonna bring the need into the conversation. And I think Ben makes good points about safety. I mean, Malcolm Jenkins turns thirty two this year. He said he wanted to play ten years in the NFL. I think this past season was his tenth year, you know. So he's clearly approaching any displayed literally the entire season last year. He did not miss defensive snaps. So there is a lot of wear and tear on his body. And I don't think he's missed very many snaps at all really since coming affiliate, especially. So that concerns me Roddy McLeod coming off ACL, MCI, whatever he had a significant knee injury that concerns me, and I think he's twenty nine in. He also will be free agent after this year. So that's definitely position would ideally need to address especially to. Because you have Andrew Sunday on roster right now. He's currently counting against the eagles. Combat the story pick formula. And if you cut him you can potentially get fourth round pick the pick that eagles are supposed to get for Jordan Hicks. If you take Sunday ho out of the campaign formula. So there's some real intrigue healing safety and being able to keep him around instead of Sunday. So I see that I also see defensive tackle. Because last year was just really depressing with eagles had had defensive tackle. I mean, they were signing frigging t y McGill at certain points. Then didn't even know when or when he wasn't even on the team at timelines allegedly allegedly you had Trayvon Hester who stepped up, but I mean like like at certain points. Also, Bruce Hector on the it wasn't ideal. It wasn't good. You look at how the eagles had success back in two thousand seventeen it was when they rotated their defensive line heavily. They could count on Bowen to step in. They had depth. They're the TIMMY journey in. And I just I wanna get that spot fixed. I feel like that's what this team believes in. They believe in investing through the trances building through the trenches. That's what won them a Super Bowl. And I think for that reason I have to take Christian Wilkens at number twenty five I think he checks a lot of boxes for me. Just in terms of versatility in production and the characters Mike said in this. He's my draft crushed for me. I just see him being on the board in the eagles. Sprinting to the podium, if he's there now, I feel like he could be a trade of target. 'cause I don't think he necessarily falls there. Once again, like if I'm a betting man, I have to bet that he is not going to be there at number twenty five Ben your rankings would indicate that he would be tensely. Mike, yours would you be way gone before that pick will be made at number twenty five. So we'll be interested to see if this is actually a realistic selection in that way. But I would love to have Christian Wilkins. I guess one of the biggest knocks against him. Or one thing. I'm concerned about mino- been your. Huge on prospect aids as we've talked about in the past, but he will be turning twenty four in his rookie season in that kind of makes me wonder at least a little bit. That's something that I don't love. I love for him to be a twenty one year old. And then you have him like Derek again, another guy that Ben does not love, but Derek is still. A lot of people. Literally hate Derek Burnett. Literally hate Chris by this. I'm going to take Christian Wilkins at number twenty five overall penned men, let hold on hold on hold on this out. Listen, listen, my friends, my friend went to promise Kercheval high school. He took her to prom. So I knew this was coming along time ago. That's how that works. So Christian Wilkins is the guy we're taking a prom for the SP nation writers twenty fifth over. I know that was terrible Bill de thank you for joining us for this will we'll have all this information up on bleed green nation dot com. Go check that out. Ben. Would you say goodbye to the gentle listeners and accept your humiliating defeat here on this show? Now, thank you as always for listening to the kiss. So like show here on legally nation. We appreciate your swing by end. Of course, our very thankful that supreme leader Beal g may he forever reign deigned to come common. Sully himself with us lowly draft analysts the draft almost week way. 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Pro Day Recaps, Christian Wilkins vs. Ed Oliver, NFL Rookie Redshirts

NFL: Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah & Bucky Brooks

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Pro Day Recaps, Christian Wilkins vs. Ed Oliver, NFL Rookie Redshirts

"And now, we move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks, what is up everybody DJ Bucky here for move the sticks. Bucky glad we started show when I came back. I been gone. I have I've been totally out of the loop. And then true story true story the other day, this is yesterday my son who's eleven he goes, he goes, dad. Did you hear what they said on the on your podcast, and I go to number one. You listen to the podcast and number two. What did they say? He goes. Yeah. Bucky and Rhett were saying that you that Chick-fil-A might be out of business because you've been out of town for. Thank you for the download. And I said be it might be out of business. I've been going along time, man. I can't can't think the fellas enough for for taking taking over for me in here with retin Lance Fillon in book man, it's been it's been a good time. But you've done tremendous amount of work going to produce as seeing the top gassing auto quarterback spin it handling multiple in juggling duties with TV. And all the like, I think the biggest thing that that. I wanna know is like after being on the road for so long like what are some of the biggest takeaways not from what you saw. Yeah. The biggest takeaway is on the. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, first of all, I look winning Rome. Right. We go with that. So when I'm when I'm in the south, even tagged you one of the pictures, I had all southern day. How's this? You wanna talk about the southern this southern triple crown when I was which when I was in the Carolinas year old stomping grounds. All right. Don't add up the calories breakfast bojangles. Oh boy. Biscuits. I didn't go with any ham or just just got to plane biscuits. Wow. Viscous unbeliev lunch will sorry. Take that back. When I got there in the evening. It was a Cracker Barrel. Dinner followed by a bojangles breakfast, which also doubled as a lunch to biscuits. I'm good. I don't eat lunch and then follow up with dinner your favorite breakfast for dinner waffle house. That is strong day. I might be dead by tomorrow. But it was I went all in on the on the southern food. Vici slip will all like a brick. It was phenomenal. But I'll tell you what I don't. We were. We were for those. No my tin real quick. I went to Oklahoma first week the next week was a busy one. I went to Alabama, Ohio State, Missouri. Believe that was your and then hit NC state, Duke. So ended up being whatever there were six six girls. But when I was going to Columbia, which is a tiny little airport there in Columbia, Missouri. Locked pro day sat on the runway for like an hour and a half where we took off. There was some issue. I won't bore you with details. Very stuffy, very stuffy little plane. There's probably ten different scouts on the plane guys yell forever. We land they takes forever to get the landing gear there. We'll the little stairs out there. Anything out forever? Stuffy gross get off the plane. There's one little rental car. So like one person working one little spot. There's not a lot of options here, and there's a line to get there. And I'm sitting there with a couple of our buddies. And I'm like, you know, what if I needed a reminder of why got scouting this. This would be this would be the day that reminds you just want to get to your hotel. You know, he just wanna be done get your hotel and get some sleep. And you're sitting there waiting, but good news Jimmy Johns open late that night. So as able to get a little sandwich, Jimmy Johns. Yeah, you go back into scouting. And it's like you're eating sandwiches all day long. What you do pretty right back. You feel vacant. It's it's like the old life. It's like someone that used to be in a life of crime book. And then like, I just feel like I just shoplifted a candy bar next. All right back into this into this whole life. Right back in. Right. The the ground wanna cover here real quick couple couple takeaways from the players from this day to a debate. There's a lot of players, and we'll get a chance to dig into a lot of these different debates as we get closer to the draft. But there's certain guys at Mary up. I know you guys talk about receivers the other day. But there's there's a lot of those kind of are you at this guy or that guy? So have that discussion about some defensive lineman defense, alignment particular? We'll have that debate discussion. And then I wanna talk a little bit about the the rookie redshirts. We have a situation with Jeffrey Simmons this year is going to miss more than likely misty and tire season. He's a great player. But when you do your digging the track record of guys that have missed their whole rookie year. Yeah, not great. We'll get into that a little bit later. But first of all the the pro day to a recap here. Buck just real quick biggest takeaway, some of the biggest voice, Ohio State receivers pairs Campbell got nicked up at the pro day, Terry MacLaurin had a phenomenal workout and even better. I would say Dickson hadn't even. Better feel running routes, Johnny look awesome. Like just looking at it from studio. A little lucky was really doing his thing. He's had some injuries. So you've gotta try navigate those waters. But as talent man, he's got a bunch of big plays down the field. Those state wide receivers are gonna go. So that was one of my takeaways. They're going to Alabama Josh Jacobs. The number wasn't great for six flat. Talked to one thing. I'm gonna talk to one scout that four five nine air belts, four six flat. Four six one in that range, but the field workout outstanding m just the way he caught the ball ran routes. Everything's just strong just real strong hands. And then talking to everybody at the school book. You a lot of the questions you ask and scouting who's a leader? Who's a leader on your offense or defense? If you could take one player with you who would you take ASA coaches who you're gonna miss more than anybody else. And a lot of times they anything to do with depth position didn't have to do with voted captain, Josh ache. The name comes up more than anybody else. That is really love him. And they talk about the adversity. He's overcoming. His life in the hardships. He's faced and come out the other side of them and the question. Okay. What's the what's the number one question? You know, if you go on if you're going to school, why doesn't get the ball more. Right. Right. Excitements this. Why here Nick Saban smartest, coach the best college football coach. But he's not smart. He just doesn't think it's a good idea to give him all that doesn't make any sense. So so here's the answer ready. We are beating everybody fifty two nothing by the second quarter of every game we play, and we're gonna come back into the locker room and say, okay, you know, this isn't been working. We're just gonna go ahead and switch this this up. He said if you pay attention look at the end of the year when we start playing good opponents and the games matter who they trust who got the football, Josh Jacobs. Go go watch Georgia watch. What he does there? Go watch Oklahoma. The what he does there. And if you talk to I talked to a handful of Alabama players what went wrong against Clemson a national championship game. Every single one of we didn't give Josh Jacobs ball enough. Really? Yeah. Wow. So there you go. That's why that's why it's it's hard on Twitter on social media and people go, I don't understand. Why you like this guy doesn't have a lot of touches ran for six couple of things number one. He can let's look at the running back checklist. Big enough to hundred twenty pounds. He run inside. Yes. With power can get outside the perimeter. Yes. Does he can't catch the ball? Outstanding. Catching split them out run routes with them being catchable Kenny pull up past. Oh, yeah. He's he's a very good pass protector. Also, do some kickoffs. If you wanted to that how about the character Utah when you find out what this kid's overcoming his life in where he is right now elite elite character work ethic off the charts. You know, when it was money time at the end of the season when the games mattered the ball goes in his belly start checking off all those boxes in and I was talking to an executive with a team. And he said it was so I can hear it clears day buck. He goes, you know, everything about this kid, I go. Yeah. He goes you wanna bet again. Him. No, those guys. I don't bet against those guys. I don't so. Okay. So here's what's interesting about that. Because you know, it's funny when you talk about him and took them a while to get on the field into play and having was hurt to that was the other thing wouldn't for injuries and having known those other guys because those other guys were decorated recruits can harassed thing about Niger hairs and some of the guys that by behind him to be to Bill cow at the end of the year does say something, and then when you say you talk to the guys at Alabama and they're talking about the championship game. And what went wrong? Not only does it speak volumes about Josh Jacobs. But also makes me wonder about two and how we've had the conversation about tanking for two into kind of been fasttrack being potentially a number one overall pick necks us draft. If you let's come out it just kinda makes me wonder did Alabama deviate from their identity by kind of elevating to as opposed to what we do at Alabama. We we grind it out. But we hammer people we grind it out. And then we throw complimentary play action passes off of it. And so this early will help him. But I think it actually leads me to have more questions about the quarterback as we start thinking ahead to next season and stuff way, they say, it is they have three receivers next year that are Stutz big time. Big time one of them ran for two nine four three flat. And it wasn't. It was rugs or whatever jail rooks, inter rooks can fly and. Then you talk about your favorite you've been Jerry, Judy ran four five flat. But he plays eat runs. Everybody on tape. And then the other kid who went off another young kid. They have is a big time. You've got you've got freshman that was Waddell, you've got Smith. I mean, they're loaded. But what they said is look early in the year, they weren't running it that while they were checking it all over the place and just blowing people out every week. And so then it kinda got where they needed it. And they rebel to find that run game and get that cranked up and Georgia games Homa in those two games. And then in this game they had success running the ball early in that game against Clemson. And then they just said we just got away from it. I don't know what the deal was. But they obviously there's a lot of new coaches there now. So we got a clean build it up. Because maybe he didn't like the way their product some guys, you know, Loxley gotta head job. So it's not like he was far, but a lot of changes made there, and but anyways that was kind of I feel like I need to kind of explain myself a little bit on that one. And look I have Josh Jacobs. He'll have to maybe one or two more updates. He may he might drift maybe towards ten he's not gonna more than like, he's not gonna fall out of my top ten followed. We he's not going to go in the top ten, and that's I'm fine with that. I'll bet on that kid going forward. We'll see how it ends up. You know, is is it going to be a first round pick. I think he's still got a fifty fifty shot. I would save team. He's going to go the top forty all stick my watch for him going as a first round pick to Oakland Raiders. Yep. Jon Gruden is on record saying that he won't say Bill running back in a note. There was a lot of freakout in chaos about Josh Jacobs after you made to trade for Jordan Howard. But he may end up going to a better situation. I may ask you this question. Honest answer you think Jordan Howard, preclude you from taking justic it wouldn't pursue me from from doing it. But I'm just saying like, maybe they don't wanna take it. I round they want to spend maybe not maybe not. But I think people that automatically cross that one off the list because Jordan Howard came to town who they had to trade. Six round pick for might be over exaggerating the acquisition saying would you in house? Good solid player. Looks got a role his role. But there we go. All right. Let's keep the let's move. Here's a debate insist that you don't like our Jordan Howard, solid player. He's had a couple thousand yard seasons. I just never thought he was a top five back that people made him out to be. I thought it was volume situation. He ran hard and had a pretty good offensive line in front of them. I just I mean, if there was a great market there. I didn't I didn't see it. I don't know six round picks. I think it was wasn't a sixth round pick a conditional six decade turn to fifth with makes. Oh, conditional six six if that he has things, but a lot of people be surprised based on the fact that he behind tiger Lee and Zeke Elliott thermals rushing yards in the league since he ended elite their most. Just saying I'm just saying there's some people that will box score scout. And think that Jordan how you went over. It's a great word like those numbers. Good. No. I don't wanna be in Celtic. He's a good player. But that's what he's a good player. So I'm just saying you don't you don't pass on think somebody's a great player. You don't pass on a great dome 'cause you don't don't don't bypass. All. Right. So here's here's a player debate. And this is what I'm going through. Because currently before I do my next update. My number four players Christian Wilkins, my number six players at all over both defensive tackles. Now, I've been kind of wrestling back and forth. This nothing to do. I don't care about the pro day. We're talking about new it was that let it was going to care about any of that. But to me, it stylistically and just the different factors of how you'd have it. Christian Wilkins, much heavier Christian Wilkins. There are times when he gets turned a little bit in the run game bradberry got into them up. But for the most part, he's a little more stout than Ed Ed who. Two to eighty seven than down to eighty one was totally played in the two seventies. That kind of all matches up. You know, you get puffed up for the combine now slid back to two eighty one you start go through training camp. He's gonna play it to seventy seven this. We that's what he is. But explosive and dynamic in played way up position last year plane zero made no sense to me whatsoever. But so I'm having this and I'm going, okay. Christian Wilkins elite football character to time captain leader, everything off the charts off the charts in the jacket thing all nonsense what that Alvarado seen bad guy. But just if you're gonna go just football character, you give the edge to Christian Wilkins with what he's done their side. He's got size. He can still rush the passer. He's disruptive he can still generate negative plays in the Rooney's quick. But there's no denying the fact that elevates more explosive. So how do you sort those out, and I was talking to a coach in he brought up a great question. Coach on the offensive side of the ball. We were talking about these guys he had just done a little bit of work on. And he said from an offense perspective when they asked me to rank defensive guys, I rank them who I don't wanna play against. I don't believe instead Oliver. Yeah. It's interesting, and it kind of just got my wheels turn a little bit. And I'm like, maybe I'm looking at this wrong. I need to take take a step back and think this is funny because I just wrote a thing about is it Oliver pick and it stemmed from last week. I did a study on. I just wanted to go back because he hadn't played while. I do believe like sometimes because out of sight outta mind processes so long, and you kind of get caught up in late looking for the hidden gyms and who had a late around guys when we know that this league is really a first in the second round league. Those are the guys that play those guys typically impact the game. So when I went back, and I looked at all, right? Didn't look at lassie's and look at the season before and I saw how disruptive in dominant. He was first quickness snap Countess pation playing on edges playing in the backfield the motor he is hustling all over the field. And you just fall in love with disruptive potential that he could bring to a team, and then we Christian Wilkins. I think Chris Wilkins is a very good player. I think Christian Wilkins versatility and says being able to play anywhere along the defense affront. Is a huge asset in an advantage. However, there's some times where I just wonder about the overall toughness when it comes to his ability to just kinda chew glass and just be a tough guy in there anchoring against double teams, not being uprooted. And sometimes you kinda see him get totaled up and kind of backs like it happens to Ed too. Both guys. So you just wonder who is going to give me more bang for the buck. When it comes to create no splash plays because the league is becoming one where you're not gonna get consistent stops you have to be generate turnovers and for my money in this. I'll probably put my money at Oliver over Christian Wilkinson attorneys of who would be the more disruptive player at the next level. So when you go through and look at the stats here. A couple of them sixteen career sacks for Christian Wilkins. He's the last two years. Five sacks five and a half sacks at Oliver. Obviously only eight games this year only three sex had five saxes freshman year, five and a half his junior year and three this year in eight games. Now. The twist a thrown of this conversation we can debate Christian Wilkins in at Oliver. And how that goes what we can't really debate. My opinion is Aaron Donald who had eleven sacks five and a half sacks eleven sacks. And I know it's you know tackles for loss. That's at Oliver's got a ton of tackles for loss. But still there's a finishing. There's. Bonus for finishing. And I don't think at Oliver uses hands nearly as well as Aaron Donald. I don't think he has any pass rush plan whatsoever. He's a bona China shop, it's just explode just explode off the line. And try make wreck in that make a mess in find a football football. Aaron Donald was a technician with all combined with all that explosiveness who by the way at two hundred eighty five pounds at the combine was shredded. So you knew he could carry that going forward. So I don't know. I just think it he's not Aaron Donald eliminate that from conversation to me that's not to do this not who he is to me at all of reminded me more of Gino Eck on defense taco plays. With quickness shoots through gaps plays in a movement based willing get penetrating scheme allows him to kind of work the edges quickly and get into the backfield. Aaron Donald has got it. I think could do a bunch of different things and his reduction at Pittsburgh was a lot different at Oliver's. He consistently was getting twenty plus tackles for loss year. Double digit sacks being able to dominate didn't. We saw him to senior. He crusted unblock will in one A one's dominated team says play will in the game. And so it Oliver to me is still someone is very intriguing because of the potential and splash plate potential can maybe some his deficiencies but debate between he and Kristen woke is really comes down to. How do I visit my dad? How you got them. Do. I wanted him to occupy blocks. Do I want them to be guys playback? It's a good point. And the other thing is I know talk to people to compare at Oliver and say, look this guy if you look at him size. You look at all the testing and how he's built Melvin Ingram is is the comparison. So. The come off the edge there if you wanted to and I I don't put that pass him. I think you could move around do all different kinds of things with them as I'm kinda talking myself through this book, I am leaning towards at Oliver going over Christian Wilkins for me. And I liked Christian. We're gonna be a great pro. I think he's got a very high floor as a player I believe in what he can do. But just in terms of disruption that he might be able to penetrate. I I think I'm gonna be willing to gamble a little bit on that one. And it make switcheroo. I mean, I think disruptive potential the ability to play on the other side of the line consistently to create turnovers a game where you're not going to be able to generate consistent stop so turn overs or even a bigger deal in today's game. And so I just think his quickness is over women his explosiveness stands out and pops on tape. And even though he doesn't use his hands. I am hoping that a good deal like can least teach him how to use can lock it. Because he's been so productive doing it on just quickness if he had some hand skills to what he's doing then he really has a chance he could take it to whole new level. If that would happen. No doubt. Well, it's it's one touch on one thing for move on. We're gonna talk about this redshirt thing here in a second. But I had somebody on on Twitter that it said, man, you know, how are you making changes in the process? Like right now, like nothing's guys haven't played games like baba. And I'm like, this is how the process works. This is a marathon. This is the way it works with teams when you put your initial list together. And when we get to your final board. There are changes there. He's like, well, what could change a little conversation with nice guy. I said, look, it's let's take color. He goes like, for example, he moved way up your list. Yeah. We do the I I didn't know if the guy was gonna play football is he gonna play football is he gonna play baseball is gonna play both. That's kind of a big deal didn't know height official hydrate. Underclassmen have any of that formation had no background information on him as a human being? So all this stuff. It's all gathering information and not to mention when we go through the first layer of the process, you watch couple of games you try and get guys in the right neighborhood. And then after that, we come back, we watch more games. Now, you start sorting out those clumps as we like to call close to the process. That's not that's not you know, overreacting to approach may. It's more time and putting them through the entire because there's a feel in a Twitter verse is a rush to wanna be I who cares. If you're I care about when you put your list out when the draft takes place as opposed teams think as opposed to wanting to be right wanting to be. The right will allow you to be a little slower a little more conservative, which your initial greats until you're able to see the landscape because the hardest thing to do the early grades. Yeah. Because you don't have a basis for who looks like this in the south who's playing well in the north. Oh, you watch. You do you watch. When it's all send on you'll watch seventy receivers. So the third receiver you watch you might put a big grade on them. And then by the time, you watch your fortieth receive you're like man, this all these other guys are better than that guy. And it says instead of making all migrates wrong. I'm going to change this one great slots in correctly. That's how it works that. That is exactly how it works like. You trying to get it. Right. But you work in blindly early even working blindly early. When we start thinking about twenty twenty. We get the initial scouts list in the summertime. You don't know. We look in lashes. We don't know how much to change. So you put in a put in grays on people. It's impedance on what you hear. So it just in pencil. All right. The redshirt thing I wanted to get to real quick. My man Jack has done some homework for us asked him to go back because Geoffrey Simmons looks like he's gonna have to redshirt this year coming up in ice Akiko back and look at the guys drafted that missed their rookie season. Dude injury. A lot of these guys were hurt either in the end of the season or in the pro- day, or what have you and let's look at the production. They've had so went back and looked over the last few years. Jalen Smith was the first one came to mind big hit right gambled on him. In the second round knew they were gonna be able to play and took a while for them to hit. But he did hit. Now, we're seeing what what he can do. So when we go back here two thousand. Eighteen contagious street drafted in the fourth round. So we haven't got a chance to see him. Go yet twenty seventeen Jake but was drafted in the fifth round. He's played in three games in his career. Sidney Jones was would have been a first round pick. He was drafted in the second round didn't play because that torn achilles ten games last year in play great Jalen Smith was a big hit in the second round. The Cowboys took him coming off a C L one hundred twenty one tackles last year Cedric oh booey from am tornado yell Bengals took him in. The first round has not panned out e fil old Oregon tornado seventh round pick. That's kind of a flyer. No games had done. Anything? Garin colon was a good one out of Oklahoma tornado. Jets took him in the fourth round. No, no career interceptions. But you get paid a little bit of money. Brandon Thomas member him from Clemson this third round pick from the forty Niners hadn't played a game. That was in twenty fourteen Marcus Lattimore, Niners fourth-round never played the game tank. Dean, another one. Nine or second round five and a half career sacks pen ROY Denny thing. And then you go back and look through all the first rounders over the last ten years that missed their rookies. Most of them pre-draft some of them. I think we're training camp is Ahah win. We haven't seen yet from twenty eight teen. William Jackson from Cincinnati. Okay. I don't think it's been a great return. Their Dante Fowler up and down on his second team. Kevin whites injuries have continued to follow him. He's done. Nothing. DJ Humphries little inconsistent with ears. Ona cardinals paramount from the ravens he's on his third team. Now Jonathan Cooper from the cardinals has bounced around as well. So it's not it's not a great list that agree. Liz Jonathan Cooper's. Jonathan Cooper was a great college player. He was seventh pick. Nobody. Nobody's snickered at that. That was that was where he was lauded to go. Yeah. Just missing a year. I'm a look it's jail. You're hoping it's Jalen Smith. Great player. Jalen Smith would have been a top five pick. If you didn't get hurt and they took him in the second round. And it took a while like you said to come through the nerve damage, and he's and he's come out the other side, and you're baking on that he's going to be able to kind of make it make it happen that he's gonna be able to figure out getting re have played a high level. But it is a risk anytime. We have players a risk, but they're coming off a serious injury. You just never know because everyone responds differently to injuries. And so. Even though we can say is calculated in and sign off on it is still an injury that worried about and you worried about it reoccurring. Yeah. So I mean, look Jeffrey Simmons to me with even with the situation you had high school in the video that existed. I think he'd come out the other side of that when we're kinda rebuild himself from from what you hear from the people Mississippi State that wasn't going to be as big of an issue. But the the question becomes where does he fall where do you think him coming off? And look, it's an ACL. It's not like nerve damage or anything standard ACL injury. I think the tough thing is you want to take him outside the first round. Right. So the cost comes down. However, how many teams are thinking the same thing you think again, then he goes and bottom one which I think is going to happen. I think you'll go in the first round all also. Yeah. I mean, I think the raiders destiny because yet three picks. Yeah. Take one on jam Cam said a little bit of a gamble. But there's greatness you're gambling on greatness. If you're going to gamble gamble on somebody with an enormous payoff. And that's a big payoff is tremendous peyot. If able to get him. Put them in a mix. I just think like when you looking at the board and you're looking at what could else what else could be available at twenty seven or twenty four. Yeah. Are you maybe get back on a plane? I don't think you can get deck on a diff- potentially deca differs make us I'll be more willing to write a big check. So thinking about the religious real quick on the raiders what if I told you this was their hall? How would you feel about this? Let's go Quinton Williams with their first pick. And then you come back with your two picks in the twenties and. Say one of them is is Simmons, right. Top five pick. And how about the other one? We're gonna go for it. Go for it to me Markey's Brown. Oh coming off the foot. I think he'll everything I hear is. And he's got the relationship. I was Antonio. And now you put an offense together Antonio Brown. And then you've got Tiro Williams who can go you got some you got something to work with their. So you take Simmons twenty four and twenty seven Brown and Simas. Let's go for it who take the number four number four Quinton Williams. So your interior now with MAURICE Hurst from last year PJ hall that you got some quickness inside. But now you throw in Simmons in Quin Williams going forward. Halo a lot of speed dudes Slavs speed. Oh, yeah. Slots speed. Kind of overwhelming. Look you're in a division with the chiefs. And the chargers man, you better find a way to get some firepower scores points to when you division like this wanted to do is you got to be able to make sure that. Everyone knows. So to me fun, right? We got we've got our new three sixty episode coming up Nick Bosa Nick Bosa three sixty so that'll be dropping soon. So be on the lookout for that. That's a fun when a chance to talk with some of his teammates parents in Nicosia self think everybody enjoy that one book. I mean, I think the the conversation that we have with Nick Bosa in terms of this belief. He's the best player in the draft is distal where you have. That's where I have you know, the conversation when we go down line. I know people have talked about the core injury and him plan only three games, and and being able to sit away and you look at the technique, and you like the refinement, but you just go into the last thing at a draft. You don't have a lot to really talk about. But the bloodlines the legacy of the person himself. I think that is the thing that come a sales you on it because we saw Joey go into the league and make an immediate impact despite holding out and doing some of that other stuff thing to believe is Nick bolsa has been wider, right, wait. He's gonna have a lot of success. Because he just gotta know how to get a job to. Yeah. I mean, my thing with with Nick you go back and watch him in twenty seventeen with eight and a half sacks and sixteen tackles for loss on defense at so many guys just kind of kept everybody fresh enrolled everybody through but every game that I watched last year doing other players on. He's the best guy on the field every time. And that's kinda my we talked about that before like if talking about somebody that's in leading five pick. He'd better be the best player on the field. When he steps out there. Take the bisque. You can't go wrong ten that was in the Cotton Bowl up close in person sought there. And then even even this year, he played three games. He had four sacks. I know people say, oh what about the production? If this dude would have played those fourteen games. He was going to have sixteen seventeen sacks. Like, the they weren't block in him. A man. He's order block. He definitely has all skills. Everything into repertoire to may be difficult for you, not only get your hands on them, but to contain them. And so I think it makes us think he is certainly in the conversation. Probably the gadget arriving the conversation cues to see if there's anyone a dark horse anybody that were missing and terms of being in discussion for. I guess the first definitive comfortable. Yeah. I mean, I still think it's I think it's a three horse race. I do I think it's Josh Allen Bosa in Quin Williams. And I think that at all hours in right on the edge of that discussion. But I do think end up being one of those guys. And I still think I think we're taking Bosa until until I hear too. I know we're wrapping up here. Let me just give you my forty Niners theory. So you go to Alabama and get Reuben foster. Ruma foster Quinn. Williams are two different people. Right. But the say not the consensus, but most people have Bosa as the more sure thing, right? Quentin Williams was I love coins. I would have no problem. It took went away. But you don't go back to the Alabama. Will you go to Nick Bosa whose brother has been successful who've done everything else you need to see the commies fully healthy to me. It looks like the safer pick. And when you've missed now when you've missed on Reuben foster you've Solomon Thomas fairway you start saying, you know, what I'm not gonna try and I'm not gonna try and zag when everybody says I should zig zig. I'm Ziga I'm going to do exactly the conventional wisdom is the way to go. When you've had MRs because you lose a little bit of your courage to go outside. What the conventional was. I mean that is a very fair point. When you miss like that. You do video Kurds. And I'm telling you as as as I know, it doesn't make sense. I can trust me. I know the analytics people would lose their minds and say, we'll Alabama's produce. All these great players. Why would you allow one player you picked it just didn't work out for one reason other obviously it was off the field with Reuben foster? Why would you trust me? It happens in your the draft room, and you've gone to one school in guy didn't work out the Lear has just a little bit just a little bit. I'm just telling you. That's that's whether that should happen. That does happen. I mean is funny because I'm sitting here looking at the Baltimore Ravens in looking at the glare hold on Iran, and how to need know the wide receiver, but they don't pick. Why receivers? That's not what they do. And then you start thinking about gas stylistically Pearman is very similar to decay mic. If like would they be interested in doing that thing all over again? So it's really really tough tips. Log ground cover as we go towards draft. Man. What are you working on this week buck, and then we let's see doing perfect parents, which is going to be a digital thing. I'm have a conversation about Josh Jacobs being a feature back in. Are. We valuing him as the top running in the league. Nice draft. All right. That'll be good. I'll be on the lookout for that. There's a lot of the running backs. I like in the strap almost which it stick with Jacobs's. My guy. All right. That's that's gonna do it. 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The Lightning Round Podcast #179: 2019 Draft Show - Interior Defensive Lineman

Bolts from the Blue

40:59 min | 2 years ago

The Lightning Round Podcast #179: 2019 Draft Show - Interior Defensive Lineman

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS foretaste Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay a subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. They mold. This is the lightning round podcasts with your host GARRETT'S, Steve and Jamie oil charges. Go. Everybody. Welcome to the defensive line draft profiles. I am anger. Sixty Jamie is at lightning underscore round. And today, we're doing interior defenders. But first, we got three donations. I donated is from Antonio Stevens. Thank you very much. Antonio we appreciate it, very generous of you name recognize also this name to Michael Lawson. So thank you and Tonio, Michael Lawson. And of course, Jamie, our biggest benefactor, Marcus Caribbean. Thank you, Marcus as always we appreciate it. And like we always say, we appreciate the support. Whether it's with money or raiding us on I tunes or communicating with us on Twitter, or whatever the case may be we appreciate all of it. So thank you all very much for the continued support. Yeah. Feedback works to hit us up on Twitter. And let us know what we're doing right and wrong, and we'd love to do that too. Because we, you know love to improve the. Show as well. So thank you in Tonio, Michael Marcus, appreciate the three of you. And today we're going to kind of switch up to format. First off originally, we're gonna do edge and defensive tackles on this podcast. We're just going to go ahead and forego the edge class not a big need. If not like the lowest on the list of needs for the chargers going into the draft. So we're just going to let that go. And we're just going to do the interior defenders today, and in terms of the format we're going to completely switch it up because we wanted to new format where you know, while we're breaking these prospects kinda keep more sustained. We thought about what were the most important questions. We wanted to address more watching these guys. And when we're breaking them down one answer some questions, so we're going to do that in this podcast the questions just set. This whole thing up is projected NFL position. We're also gonna talk about their best trait. The prospects were straight any concerns red flags, you know. If they've had any injury history or in the off the field issues a wall so answer the question. How would they fit with the chargers? Of course, we're still going to give our grade and then what round were comfortable and taking them. So consensus might be a little bit higher than we are what round we're looking to take these guys. So that's how we're going to dress. This. I think it's going to be a little bit less dense than our other podcasts, which I know a lot of you like, but I think is going to move forward and kind of answer the important questions. Yeah. I think it's a kind of a fresh take on what we've been doing. I think it's just it's too easy to fall into the trap of just listing. You know, ten good traits. Ten bad traits, and we wind up repeating ourselves. And I think this is better way to kind of keep things short. But still hit the fine points and get the point across of what we think about these players. All right. So let's just go ahead and get into it. We've got five defensive tackles will move onto a sleeper and then give our top five or maybe even ten who knows? But we'll give our top defense tackles. I'll let's go. Ahead and start off with our list, and it is Quinton Williams at ala Bama. So in my opinion, Quinton Williams is basically he was born to play the three technique in the NFL, which is a one gap penetrating pass rushing defensive tackle, essentially Williams is best traits. I think he has to traits that are kind of off the charts one as his technique one as football IQ. He uses his hands. Extremely well. You can see him diagnosing plays often before the snap breaking through and breaking up plays. Frequently. I think is worst trait. Is he lacks pass rush pass? Rush counters if he doesn't win early. He usually does win early. But when he doesn't he can kinda get stuck in the mud because his hands kind of stop working, and he kind of struggles to free himself as he's trying to get field. I think the only real concerns with him or he has he has a little bit of a lack of natural power. And he doesn't really anchor all that. Well, so he's probably limited to being that three. Technique in a one gap system where you can just get up feeling penetrate. He's not a nose tackle. He's not gonna plug gaps and be a to gap guy on a consistent basis. Although he can't do it. It's not a strength. I think obviously with charters fit. We've talked about three technique. He is a natural three technique, and he'd fit beautifully there for the chargers. Although he will not be there when they draft at twenty eight this year, I have a ninety three for Williams. He's one of my highest greater players so far in the draft. I like him quite a bit take him at any point in the first round without hesitation. But like I said he won't be there at twenty eight when the charters draft. So it's not worth getting our hopes out for I have to say the worst part of having their windfall. Derwin James fall seventeen is now everybody is. Everybody's gonna fall. So when you go on, Twitter and go. Hey, quitting Williams is pretty good. And they're like, oh, hey German phone seventeen. Anything happened. Anything can happen. Not that. That's not gonna happen. Stop that. But yeah, you're right. So in terms of info position, he's definitely three Techni NFL. He's going to be a monster in the middle for some teams defensive line. And like, you mentioned he's gonna excel as a gap penetrator the best trick for me. You mentioned it. It's the hands fast strong powerful. He uses it to win with leverage, excellent club and swim with those hands. Also allows him to finish with velocity very powerful. When he brings guys the ground with those hands oftentimes, he needs only one arm to bring a guy down to so strong, hands and arms worst trait was kind of nitpicking here. But you know, if you're looking for prototypical size Williams, doesn't technically have for three tech. But he's he's fine. Not true concern in terms of any concerns red flags he only played twenty four games at his two years at Alabama. Who's a redshirt freshman so experience could be quote unquote, concern, if you want to nitpick, I'm turn in terms of the chargers fit. He's not getting out of the top five, but obviously ideal three tech and couldn't get any better than. Quentin Williams in this defensive tackle class. I have a ninety five on them. A couple of points higher the Neo. He is my highest grade a player not named Nick Bosa who we were not gonna talk about. But he's my highest grade player to date in terms of what round I mean? He's not gonna fall you could probably argue that he could and should go number one overall. And so I'm comfortable with anywhere you take winning Williams. Even if it goes number one overall to the Zona cardinals. I won't argue it because I think quitting Williams Nick Bosa are both very very good argument can be made for both. Yeah. I agree with you. I think obviously very different players, but both very skilled players and both very deserving of that number one overall pick. All right. So next on our list here in defensive tackles Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State for his NFL position. Jeffrey Simmons played knows Mississippi State, but he's best suited as three taken the NFL in my opinion. The best trait for me is the athletes ISM in explosion. He cuts through gaps can run chase move laterally with ease. His explosion off the line is top notch. And great while deployed in a twist or stunt his worst trait for me as instincts. He's not quick Doreen. React, not a good edge. Setter will often play undisciplined in the run game. He will shoot a gap quickly. But oftentimes choose to wrong lane. In terms of concerns? Red flags Simmons was arrested in two thousand sixteen. There's a video leaked as most of you know, of him repeatedly punching a woman was eventually found guilty. Simmons also tore his ACL in February. So there's injury concerns or some off the field issues. And unfortunately, I didn't see the video when it happened. But ended up seeing the video this time around, and it is worse than you could imagine repeatedly punching this woman, even when she was on the ground. She was prone on the ground, and he was punching head not I'm not gonna make the comparisons on. What's what's the worst battery gets woman? But I would just say that this is up there. This is awful. So in terms of the chargers fit, you know. You know in terms of talent. I don't think there's anything to ni-, but with the history of violence that's going to scare Tom. 'twas go away. No doubt about it could be a top fifteen pick. But without battery charge. He's probably gonna fall the end of the first maybe even into round two. I've got a mid second round grade on Simmons. The instinct scare me a little bit the outfield issues are bad. There's an injury history there as a player he's talented and probably should be in the top fifteen. But with everything else he fell in my grades to eighty five. I'm gonna terms of where I'm comfortable taking him. This is where that low to question comes in because he's got all the after field issues if you felt the chargers picking the second I'm more inclined to spend it there. His talent is probably worth the twenty eighth pick in this draft. But if I'm the charge, Jim I'm not sure making that gamble in the first round on a guy like Jeffrey Simmons. So I don't think I'd be comfortable taking him there at twenty eight. I no, I agree with you. What was your? What was your number grade for him eighty five? Sorry amid second. Yeah. We have we have the exact same number. So I think Simmons is a guy who I think he could play basically any technique in any scheme in the NFL, and he did in college. He could play three technique and be very good five technique and be very good and one technique and be very good. Probably not as euro technique. But he is one of the lease scheme. Dependent linemen in this class. If not the lease scheme dependent linemen in this class, which is a big plus for him. I think is best trait. You mentioned it. It's as explosiveness athleticism and also throw in the fact that he is not scheme dependent. That's a huge huge. Plus for him that a lot of guys are very much plugged into one role in one scheme, and that's all they can do. He can move up and down the line in any front and be successful. I think is worst trait. A you mentioned is his lack of awareness and instincts. I also think there are some contact balance issues for guys big and strong as he is. He's. A lot of time on the ground. And I think his technique is bad. He has a tendency to pop up and stand straight up and just try to out muscle guys. And that's a big part of the reason why he winds up on the ground as much as he does it his size. You know, the technique is something that you would hope could be corrected at the NFL level the contact balance. You know, splitting double teams things like that. He struggles staying on his feet little bit of a concern for guy his size. And you mentioned the red flags the off field issues. I mean that video was pretty difficult to watch the issue. Also, a big issue as far as charters fit. I I'm sure he's going to be there at the end of the first round. And again, I think he'd be a good fit either at a three technique or one technique. I think he could play either very well, you probably want him penetrating his three technique. But I I mean in terms of skill level. And what he does on the field. I'd have a hard time. Not liking him as a one technique as a long term replacement for Brandon me Bain. I also have an eighty five on him. That's my grade. So amid second round grade, I'm with you here. I mean. I think with everything going on with him with the injury with the the off the field stuff. And some of the instinct issues, you know, I'd be I I wouldn't take them in the first round. I would feel comfortable taking him in the third round. I think that's probably where he should go based on everything going on with him. But if he's there at twenty eight and the chargers are so inclined. You know, that's that's a risk. You take is. He might in terms of where he is now and what he could be in three or four years. He might might have the most upside of any interior linemen in this class just because there's so much there, that's tapped and because of his ability up and down the line. So I think there's a lot like there. But I would not spend a first-round pick on them even without the off field issues. I don't think it's been a first round pick on him just based on my grade. But at twenty eight era at the at the bottom of the second round, that's something that. You have to at least consider. I don't think the chargers will. But I would okay because you said third round earlier, but you'd be willing to start thinking about it in the second round around. I'd be more comfortable with him in the third round. But I consider it at the bottom of the second just because got where they're at and what their needs are, you know, it'd be it'd be it'd be hard to pass it pass on him at that point. Just put it that way. Yeah. That's why such a loaded question because I think talent wise you'd be comfortable with him at twenty. If there wasn't this off the field issues. But of course, there are and there's so many other things to way here. So it's a difficult one, but a talented player. So let's go ahead and move on to number three on the list, and it is at all over at a Houston. I so all the guy that I loved I really enjoyed watching him play. He is a guy who I think you could probably put him pretty much anywhere on an offensive line or excuse me, anywhere defensive line, and maybe linebacker and have very successful. I think ideally, he's. The three technique in the NFL. But I I wouldn't put a passion to be successful as technique. I do think he is somebody who needs to be a one gap system where he can get a field, and disrupt and penetrate, I don't think you want to ask him to anchor and plug lanes. I think you wanna use that lettuces to get up field and cause problems for offenses. So I would say his ideal fit as three technique. But I think he could play the one as well. His best trait for a guy his size. He's what six six one six two to eighty to ninety somewhere in that range. His playmaking range is unreal. He gets up and down the line of scrimmage. He tracks down screenplays attracts down, you know, RPO's and sweeps jet sweeps and and he's in the backfield getting to the quarterback and blowing Ryan plays. He is all over the place and his ability to make plays basically at all levels of the offense in the offense of backfield is ridiculous for guy his size. He's just a freak. I think the worst trait and something that might potentially help drive down. The board is a lack of prototypical length. He's not the longest guy in the class teams are going to look at him and think that he's too short to play in the interior. But he has exactly the body type of the chargers look for on the interior. I mean to a T he's exactly what they draft. In terms of concerns or red flags he had a nagging knee injury. I believe in the same knee as a sophomore junior that cost him some playing time and slowed him down. And he had limited pass rushing production. He creates pressure, but he doesn't get home. Doesn't record a lot of sacks. Which is okay because he moves the pocket. But if they're if you're looking for elite pass rushing production. It's not there with him for chargers fit. I think three technique is the way to go. But like I said, I think he can play the one technique. I have a ninety Fred Oliver. So I have a late first round great on him. I would have no problem taking him in the mid to late first round. He is a guy who I just have a weird feeling. I think teams are going to have a hard time pegging him into a specific role. You've heard teams talk about playing defensive end nose tackle three techniques. Linebacker even a it's all over the board. They know he's a great athlete, but they don't know where he fits. And I think the chargers have a very easy. Time looking at him saying that guy fits our system and he can play anywhere along the interior. So wouldn't surprise me if he fell, and I think that's he's the guy the charges are looking at this. You're thinking man, if he falls we gotta be all over him. So I've got a ninety on him very comfortable with him at any point in the mid to late first round, particularly twenty eight for the chargers. Yeah. Yeah. I like it Oliver lot, of course. Three tech. I'm really concerned because I like all of her, and I'm afraid if the wrong coach drafts him and put them in the system where they wanna plame at edge or even off ball linebacker. It's really gonna do disservices. And I would hate it because he's a defensive tackle. Don't stand him up. Don't put him on the edge. Don't play them off ball. He's an interior defensive linemen. His best trait to me is awareness. His eyes are always in the backfield. He rushes with a purpose. He stays strong in the run game. A writing a block until the back makes a move. He detaches chases them down because he's. Got quickness on the inside. He used that to his advantage to get penetration in the backfield and makes plays when they come. Like, you talked about for the worst trait. He's kind of a Twitter six to eighty seven small defensive tackle. And at times that comes into play. But his speeding awareness Trump that in my opinion, and obviously wouldn't hurt to add some muscle. You talked about the injury. A lot of teams checking in on that knee injury. He missed four games last year. And of course, the charges fit. This is a guy that a lot of teams are going to have a problem fitting them in their system like you mentioned, and we may see a drop this could be the potential James for the chargers this year. And in the charter system is three tech. He adds impasse rushing chops in the terrier. He contribute in the run game. I've got a ninety two. So I've got a first round grade on him too. And if all over falls to Twenty-eight, I'm thanking my lucky stars. And if I'm Tom to let's go I'm gonna try to figure out what the. Hell happened the last two years and try to recreate it for the rest of my general manager career because there is no way you get this lucky two years in a row. And if they do it'd be a steel I think for me, this is the charters best case scenario at all of drops. It's a perfect fit. It's exactly what they need. They fill that three tech where Corey Leauge it dairy Filon used to be no longer with the team. And it's a big hole fill big need with some real upside. This is best case scenario for me right now is that I'll ever for the charges twenty eight. Yeah. I just watch him play. And he is exactly what they look for long the interior. He has the body type. They look for. He's the athlete. They look for. He has the skill set. They look for and he has he has some things working against him with other teams that won't work against him. With the chargers manly. The lack of length the lack of ideal bulk, I don't think the charters have a hard time figuring out what to do with him. Whereas a lot of team. Probably will. And this is pretty deep defensive tackle class that we're gonna get into here with guys like Williams guys like Wilkins who we're gonna talk about in a few minutes. Dexter Lawrence could sneak into the late first round. And you don't usually see more than three or four defensive tackles taken in the first round. One of them's gonna fall, and he seems like the most likely one just based on everything we know about him. And what I what you see on tape. He seems like the guy teams are going to have the hardest time fitting into a particular role. I think you're right. I think when you look at that defensive tackle board in your in the draft room, you know, what Christian Wilkins's Dextra Lawrence's? And when you look at them, they're they're exactly the guys you want, and depending on whether you want to run stuff for or a guy that brings him upside as a pass rusher you go with Lawrence or Wilkins, which will talk about both of them here in a second. But with at Oliver, you have to have a serious discussion of what exactly we're going to do with this guy. And I think a lot of games over think that and go with the. Safe bet which would be with Wilkins or Lawrence, not necessarily the best talent on the board. But the safest pick and the best fit yet. I agree. So let's go ahead and talk about one of those guys, and it is Christian Wilkins will go to both these Clemson defensive tackles and we'll start with Wilkins. He's a plug and play starting three taking the NFL. He played all over the line at Clemson. But the majority inside is three tech also played some base end to his best trait in my opinion is flexibility Wilkins, can we've between defenders slips between double teams and bend to create pressure inside the pocket. He also exhibits that flexibility with a powerful base. So it's hard to knock them off balance when he's attacking from those weird angles. The worst trait for me is he lets offense lineman inside of his body too often he plays with a high level of play strength. But at times the office of extent inside him. He's got a good counter. A good swipe a good swat to kind of combat that, but he could improve on getting hands quickly and extending being the first to initiate contact. Act in terms of red flags concerns. I think you're looking at the exact opposite. He earned all American honors. He was a substitute teacher during his off season. He was trying to mentor young kids in his offseason at Oliver is the chargers best case scenario in terms of charges fit. But Christian will is the perfect fit for the chargers. He's a three down linemen good run support and can get after the quarterback. Plus, he has the leadership skills of the charters covet Wilkins would be the charters three tech with Filon leaving Legia leaving would start right away. Right now, I've got a ninety on them, which is a low first round grade. And in terms of where I would take him from the beginning of this draft process. Christian will consist been that guy that I think the chargeable take at twenty eight I've never been right? I've made a guest on who the charge will take their draft position. But Christopher Wilkins. Feels like that guy this year. I'm taking him. He feels the biggest need probably be the best player in the board there at. Twenty eight. This is the guy for me that seems like the most realistic option the perfect fit. I love Oliver. I think that's best case scenario with his pro day, Oliver might get souped up earlier than you know, we're all hoping but Christian Wilkins has a real possibility fallen at twenty eight and this is the guy that tees up. This is perfect. Because to let's go always talks about he wants more than just a run stuffing defensive tackle that. He's looking for more than just that has Contassot any as leadership skills. It just checks all the boxes for me. And it just feels like Wilkins will be high on the charters board on draft day. Yeah. I mean, I agree with pretty much everything he said, he's a he was born to play the three technique in the NFL Wilkins. Best trade explosiveness, in my opinion. He gets up the field in a hurry. It's hard for guys to get their hands on him at times. I think is worst. His worst trait is a lack of length and an anchor defend out consistent double teams. He's not a guy you want playing the one of the euro technique because. While he's powerful. He's not a guy who's going to anchor against two to offense of linemen and hold down gaps. He's a guy who has to get up field and make plays. I don't think they're any real red flags or concerns about Wilkins. Like you mentioned. He's guy who mentors young kids. He was an academic all American. He is you know, he's been pretty vocal about his desire to help kids and help make the world better when he's not on the football field. So there are no red flags really with him. It's just a matter of can develop pass rush counters to be an effective pass rusher at the NFL level, and better shed blockers on a consistent basis. We already mentioned at the best of it for the charter is technique. Migrate for him. We're pretty close. I have an eighty nine on him so early second late. I I have a feeling when I wind up doing the grades. He's probably gonna wind up being somewhere in the top fifteen or twenty ish somewhere in there my round level comfort. Even though I have an eight nine on him. I'd have no problem taking him in the first round anywhere. Kind of all over anywhere in the mid to late first round. I'd be fine with I think he's probably the second defensive tackle off the board. Just my guests just based on. Pedigree, and reputation and all that kind of stuff. I think he's gonna get kind of bumped up in the system because you like we talked about with Wilkins. You know, what he is? There's no guesswork with him. No guesswork like there was with Simmons. It's just this three techniques. Lot of men. He's going to be productive right away. And I think Wilkins can play both positions in Gaza system better suited playing three. But he can certainly play the one hold that down as needed because he's not being asked to take on quite as many double teams as he would be if he was in a two gap system. And I think the the craziest thing Wilkens watching his film, you mentioned he played a lot of base end in college. They hadn't playing a lot of Leo. He was standing up at times his freshman year at two hundred ninety five pounds, and he was getting to the quarterback crazy. But he's a he's a fantastic athlete. A good guy. And he's a guy who would make a lot of sense for the charters if he's there. I'm just not sure he's going to get past the top half of the first round. But we'll see. All right. So let's go ahead and finish up this defensive tackle group. Let's talk about that second Clemson defensive tackle. Like we had mentioned a little bit earlier. Let's talk about Lawrence so Dexter Lawrence. I mean, he's a tried and true zero technique which. Means easy to gap run stuffing to down defensive lineman at the next level. His best trait is his power. Worst trait is a lack of athleticism, and he can also struggle with instincts in locating the ball at times to he is strictly a space heater very limited production the last two years at Clemson. He takes space. He creates opportunities for the guys around him behind into make plays. He is not a playmaker in his own, right? I had best fit for him. As what the chargers would be as a one technique if they were to draft him. Although I think he like I said he's better suited to being a two down to gap run stuffer as zero technique in in an odd front as opposed to charters even front I have an eighty on Dexter Lawrence. Which is a late second round pick my round comfort with him. I don't think I'd take him before the third round. Just because there's limited value with him. I think the chargers will look at him and. Strictly see two down run stuffer. Just somebody who's gonna take up space, and that's not usually what they look for. And I I know people look at them taking durin in the first round last year and say will maybe they're getting smarter and they're going to approach things differently. I think there are certain things with the way they draft that are unlikely to change. I think durin fell them in the first round last year. And it was basically one of those things that they just had to do it. They could rationalize not doing it. I do not see the same thing with extra Lawrence. I don't think they changed the way they value the position or view, the position more importantly while. I do think defensive tackle in the first round is likely if the right guy falls, I do not think Lawrence is that guy. So even if he's there doubt, they take him at twenty eight and I would not take him before third round. Even though I have a late second him and to your point about Derwin yet. They definitely had to take him. And we were hearing from of Posey that even up until that pick if the bills and jump in front of the chargers, they were taking. Maine Edmonds with during so on the board. And there is even talks of even winter Tremaine Edmonds win that tape and Brian was very close. It was one a one b with her when and tame and Brian. Luckily, they made the right choice. But it was just one of those things where they you know, they they kind of had to and so we're actually the same on Dextra Lawrence. I didn't think you're going to be this down on them. But you are I think you know, he's going to be as Eurotech in the NFL could play one and teams front. His best trait to me is a stack and shed. He's his best abilities still hold the point of attack in the run game, stack and shed occupied blockers. Like you talked about eat space and then free to bring down ball carriers. His worst trait to me is pass rush moves he does some work in the backfield. But mostly by driving leverage. It doesn't offer much in terms of a pass rush. And it's a little concerning in terms of red flags. Lawrence was suspended for failed PD test in his career. So he's got that hanging over his head in terms of the chargers fit. He'd be a two down. Stuffer could be the eventual replacement for Brandon me bane. He can play that for three shade in charter system. I've got an eighty off which is the exact same grade. You did which is a low second third now. In terms of what round I'm comfortable taking extra Lawrence. He is a very good run defender. What he does he does. Well, but I'm not particularly comfortable taking a good run defender at the end of one the reason I like veto Vale last year was because he was elite run-defender. I mean, he had some pass rushing chops. But he was elite at what he does detriments is pretty good at what he does. But it's not a guy that I'm willing to take as just a run defender as my first pick in the two thousand nineteen draft. So I'm not comfortable taking him at twenty eight. He's been mocked the chargers a lot. I like the guy at his skills. But I think there's guys you can get later that can just be Spacey's that could be just run defenders. And then also some guys can rush the passer, and we'll talk about it. Like, I mentioned with Christian Wilkins the opposite case with Dexter Lawrence. Because Thom Tillis go does not value just strictly run defenders like Lawrence offers in his skill set. Now would Lesko likes guys that have a pass rushing upside? That's the reason they were so high on Justin Jones last year and third round was because not only does he have the versatility play anywhere from zero to three tech in the interior. But Jones offer some quote unquote, pass rushing upside which I haven't seen and that's still remains to be seen whether he can or can't. But Dextra Lawrence doesn't have that. So let's go doesn't value with that high. And neither do I I have a low second extra Lawrence. I think it's boring. I'm not sure I'm even comfortable taking him at the end of two because when you start to look at the third round and on I think there are some guys that are very good run defenders, and then also add some pass rushing ability, and we will talk about it. So Dextra Lawrence's in a guy I'm completely staying away from but probably guy that if he falls to the bottom of three. I'm thinking about it at that point at the bottom of two. I still think there's some other guys you can get later that I'd much rather have over Dextra Lawrence. And I know that's a little harsh. But definitely stay away from a twenty eight definitely. And the ally. I agree with you. I wouldn't take them in the second round. Either any any before the third round is too early for a guy who does strictly what he does. Yeah. All right. So let's let's go ahead and talk about sleeper. So tell me who your sleeper is of the defensive tackle class. Get your brackets ready. March madness is here and the best places. Stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage. CBS sports HQ CBS sports HQ is a free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered by cutting through the noise of hot takes fake debates to get smart analysis, and helpful highlights for your fantasy teams and beyond checkout. CBS sports HQ. It's always on and always free. No need to pay a subscription fee or have an. Pensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV to start watching today. So I have a bunch of guys that I like at the end of the second early third round. But there's one guy in particular that really caught my eye. And I I've not heard anybody talk about him. I had not heard about them before. I was just kind of you know, searching through film, and my sleeper is arm on watts from Arkansas, do you have a chance to watch him. Yep. So what's in my opinion can play either the one or the three technique, particularly in the charter system. His best trait is he has very heavy fast precise hands. A worst trait is his get off is inconsistent and his pad level can be consistent. He's a little low on the instincts because he didn't play much in college. So he can be a little slow to get off the ball. But when he does intimate the snap or get off quickly. He generally gets feel that makes a play. I think the concern with him is the college tape is limited. He was a one year starter. And like I said he can struggle with Pat level and finding the ball and he's a bit of a project for for chargers fit. I think he can play the one or the three, but he's probably better playing three technique. I have a seventy nine on armone watts. I liked him quite a bit my round comfort. I I'm comfortable taking him in the third round. I'd love them in the fourth or fifth round. I think he just needs to be more consistent getting out of the blocks and easy better at locating and reacting to the ball. But he's a guy with a ton of upside who I think particularly working the charter scheme and with their defensive line coach Griff Smith, I think he could be a nice little fine late in the draft kind of like what they had with dairies Filon a couple years ago. Yeah, I was able to watch arm on what I wanna pick somebody else because I knew he was going to be your guy. I ended up going with tristen hill at a central Florida another kind of deeper sleep. I know guy's probably wondering why we haven't talked about Jerry Tillery or dream on Jones. Art sleepers. Everybody knows about those guys. In terms of hills fit in position. He's a rotational peace. He can play any interior spot from zero to three his best. Treat to me is his f- lettuce ISM. His very quick get off. Good Jilani fast enough to play one or two gap. Look at the numbers. He he posted a composite spark score in the eighth percentile of defensive lineman. So a pretty good athlete. Worst trait is his anchor when offense of and get their hands on them. They had the ability to drive him off his spot. If he didn't land hands. I had some issues holding up against double teams as well. In terms of red flags he didn't play a ton of snaps into senior year because he made his way into his coaches doghouse. He didn't get a lot of playing time in the festival this year. And he's very vocal about after the game. You never really know about that with those coaching issues, but definitely worth a conversation. When you talk with Tristan hill, I like hill Moore's the three tech with one tech flexibility in the chargers system. I gave a seventy two that's a low third round grade. Tristan hills a guy I'm comfortable taking third probably fourth with a lot of these defensive tackles still left on the board. He'll probably slip in a day three. I'm taking him without. Question. A very good run defender has some pass rushing upside because of the athletes ISM, so I have a seventy two on tristen hill. So let's go ahead and do top five. Well, how many of you have here? Do you have ten? Can we do a top ten top nine because I have two sleepers? Okay. Yeah. Go ahead start with nine. All right. Number nine is Aaron estate defensive tackle Rennell Ren with a seventy six. He would have been my second sleeper. If I was going to give a second sleeper. Number eight is arm on watts with a seventy nine number seven is Dexter Lawrence. With an eighty number six Jerry Tillery with an eighty two number five is dream aunt Joan's from Ohio State with Eighty-three. Jeffrey sevens is number four eighty five. Christian Wilkins is number three with eighty nine at all over is number two the number ninety and my number one defensive tackle in this class is Quinton Williams with a ninety three. All right. So I've got twelve I'm just going to list them off quick because I've got him here. Why not a twelve armone watts? I gave him a seventy eleven was tristen hill with seventy two. I had Kaelin Saunders. Seventy three at number ten Renault. Ran his my number nine as well with seventy five Dextra Lawrence's number eight with an eighty I watched Charles omega who with an eighty one. He's my number seven. I liked him. A dream aunt Jones is number six with eighty two. Jerry Tillery may my top five. He hadn't eighty four Jeffrey Simmons with eighty five at number four Christian Wilkins with a ninety three. Ed, Oliver is number two the ninety two and number one is Quinton Williams with a ninety five. Let's talk about the chargers draft outlook and some of these guys you target and you'd like throughout this draft. Well, we talked a lot about all over potentially being there twenty eight. He's I think that kind of the dream scenario. Somebody falling. I'd be thrilled of Christian Wilkins falls. I don't think he will. But I'd be thrilled. If he did. If you're talking about second round, I be looking for maybe a dream on Jones there at the end of the second round. I do not think the chargers will mess around with Jeffrey Simmons or Jerry Tillery personally for different reasons. And I don't think they'll take Dextra Lawrence. So I wouldn't consider them in the second round. I'd be okay. With Ren as a one technique in the third round. And obviously I like on Watson the third round as well. Yes. So best case, no doubt. Is that Oliver we've talked about that having GM's over thinking a little bit. Maybe he falls Christian Wilkins possibility. Be there. That's a slam dunk for me at twenty eight. If he's there, I think the worst option is Dextra Lawrence out of these defensive tackles. I just because you know, I think some even the upside of like Jeffrey Simmons, if you're just talking about the player, and you know, of course, there's a lot more to take into account with him. But if you're talking about talent on the field taking Jeffrey Simmons makes more sense than Dextra Lawrence because of extra Lawrence offers. So he'd be the most. Boring pick and probably the defense tackle I want the chargers stay away from I like the third fourth round. Because there's a lot of guys that kind of hit that area. I think Rennell Ren guy that we both mentioned a Colin Saunders. Could be there tristen hill arm on watts. Those are kind of the four defensive tackles I'm targeting at the end of day two beginning day three. I think there are some upside with all those guys and some guys if they're going to be double dipping defensive tackle. Maybe your second defensive tackle. You know, if you do grab Christian Wilkins, grab office of tackle in say round two or free safety. Whatever maybe you can grab one of these defensive tackles in the third fourth round. You can double dip on defensive tackles. And you'd come up with a pretty big hole. I would like to get some of these guys as maybe these seconds defensive tackles, Ren Saunders hill. Watts. I like those four. Yeah. There was talk about the chargers talking with possibly taking the what's his name Jared lead Vetter the kid from from Georgia who's in edge player and converting them to three tech. And if they're that hard up for three tech. I'd rather took a shot on guy like Armand Watson the third or fourth round than take an edge and trying to make him three tech. That's just my opinion. But I do I I definitely see them come out of this draft with two offense of Lyman and to defensive lineman. I think that's very important. Yeah. We've talked about it. And we're gonna talk about offense of lime in next time. So that does it lose some names we like those of the grades. We gave them, and we appreciate you guys listening. I am accuracy on Twitter Jamie at lightning underscore around. And we will see next Beck's everybody.

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins look to keep winning streak alive vs Chargers

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins look to keep winning streak alive vs Chargers

"Verizon just turned on five g. across the country with the coverage of five g nationwide and more and more cities the unprecedented performance of ultra wideband. The fastest five g in the world. Ultra wideband is so fast. You can download an album. In seconds for five. G won't just change. Your phone works. it will change. How businesses do everything. This is the five g. America's been waiting for only from verizon vijay ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five g nationwide available in eighteen hundred plus cities global claim based on open signal independent analysis during the period january thirty first through april thirtieth twenty twenty senior. Talk about it online. I've seen how important it is for you to keep tradition going during a winning streak. So i have to show welcoming listeners to defense radio josh. I need your insight. I need your help. I am concerned. I broke tradition. The dolphins are on a four game winning streak. But i just cut off my all my hair. I had it for like eight months. It was my quarantine hair and it's gone. You need to help me here. What do i do go back in time and not cut your hair. I mean that's that's what i would do. I mean first off. I mean everyone who's ever seen me knows that i may. I mean you are there you are. I'm basically just a ball. Hair like that harry finding your drain. So i don't think you should have cut your hair especially during a four game win streak. But i'm sure it looked pretty shaggy so i i don't fault you for ultimately making that decision. I had to start out the show here with a little bit of breaking news. Welcome into finsider radio. I'm dick muddle. Joining me as always is josh. How we got a lot of news to discuss today at. let's start. i mean we wanted to do the show earlier in the week but again were learning. You know you can't do the same things over and over you pick up on these tricks to kinda wait till friday door shows because we are hearing a lot of different news. Come out this week. Let's start first and foremost josh l. The little surprise when it was a day-to-day approach with president williams. And i met surprise as well. I mean he's going. I are coach brian. Flores the saying that the ankle injury could potentially be Season ending. Excuse me love your phrase that he would not say if it was season ending or not mentioned that it won't necessarily be someone who sees their snap spike up for ten to sixty in a game. It's not as simple as throw someone in there and justice in the second year to rohamn season. The team loses preston williams. So what was your reaction. When hearing this i mean i think it is a big blow. And as we've talked about you know week after week you convinced me on this. Receiving core is not as deep as once thought so losing him especially after that big game to it does hurt. But it's an x. Men up and tell the and you know. The dolphins have a bunch of speedy guys that they think they can fill that role. I mean if they didn't and you're gonna talk about here are mondo saying could it. Could it be different. You know is ahah ford that that receiver that the dolphins could use. There was a reason. The dolphins traded away isaiah for. They have to feel confident. In what malcolm. Perry do them vote in antonio calloway kim grant i mean list goes on and on so it was a blow but i think the dolphins are gonna find a way to overcome as we've seen time and time again yeah. Let's talk about the receiving corps permit. Because i mean that are saying that man. I've never seen someone just tried so hard to say something bad about the team. I mean when you look at guys like lynn bowden who was coming off the covid. Nineteen less you looking malcolm. Perry kurt merits back in the makes. No you're a big fan of him in tonio calloway's getting his feet under him. I mean i think all of those guys and just listed there. Ceiling is higher than isaiah. Ford i'm not trying to bash him in any sense of the mean whatsoever. But i mean if we're arguing over a guy who was traded over a seven thrown pick. We reassess what. We're arguing. Because i just feel that yes. I think ford's floor might have been a lot better and you prefer to have another receiver when your guy gets hurt than than not having receiver but genuinely speaking. I don't think they afford really makes a difference in terms of what the miami dolphins receiving corps with locally with or without preston billions. Yeah and shame on us for not mentioning matt collins because we continue to see those videos that he's posted matana the mac. I mean it's awesome. The went out there mall stat guy. So someone's gonna have to step up opposite devante parker but you know it's kind of the opposite would always song college. Everyone fall to to a for those good supporting those skill players. You know this first. Round pick wide receivers that he had a surrounding him. He doesn't have that right now. He doesn't even have a supporting cast. Even equal to what justin hermit or joe burrow or is working with. But he's going out there and like you mentioned on the last pockets. He's making gen unbelievable throws and that's what he's got to do. Moving forward. You mentioned the president. We got to transition into both christian. Wilkins and calvin Will be out for this. Weekend's game Brian floors mentioned them going on. Covid i are. So i don't truly know exactly what that entails but they will not be playing this weekend and also matt breed other running back who you know. Many expected would fill that role. When myles gaskin went down. He is questionable. So what are your thoughts on. You know those three players being out and maybe who might step up and fill some of those snaps in and the role of those players. You've got to start with christian. Wilkins kyle van noy. I mean and you know. Everyone's kind of taken the approach of why us. But i mean this is something that i think it was should have been expected and i'm going to be the last time. The dolphins are without players because of covid nineteen. And i don't know if it was reported and they actually tested positive or they were just around. Somebody who in fact did test positive because the way it works. I believe if you're just around someone you need to still be away from the team for five dates at it just times out wrong where they'd be able to rejoin the team on monday or tuesday. So i guess it doesn't matter do too much most importantly you know. We want these guys to be healthy. I hope they can return football sometime soon. Christian wilkins was playing sixty. Seven percents of the snaps calvin was playing seventy seven percent of the snaps. And i think these guys outside of production alone. I mean vanoise third on the team with thirty. Three total tackles on christian. Wilkins kind of a jack of all trades in the middle of that defense. There is just these guys. I think impacted by the game in different ways. Wilkins is kind of the heart and soul the team. He's definitely the the excitement of the team. I think we can all kind of put arrests. The christian wilkins injured principally of talk. I've been pretty much has come out to be not true whatsoever. And calvin knowing. I mean he's just as very vocal on that defense and something. That really surprised me was the fact that last week bobby mccain played every snap but i believe he was down on the field for like two minutes looking at disney so i was just trying to imagine could you this this defense without either van noy bobby mccain would be terrified because of is such a great job of being such a vocal leader. Yes he has the sax yes yes. The passes defended but in terms of revenue. Dolphins are going. Don't you run up saying these guys are great players and they are big parts of the team. I don't know if either christian wilkins or kyle van noy our guides where you kind of look at those losses and say all right now a win or the idea. The dolphins should win. This game should be in jeopardy. I'm agreeing. I think we need to talk about this before the show. But that's kind of where. I was getting ready to transition for as much as we like crystal first valuables. We know colvin noise and something that i found interesting is i look over. The dolphins stats what they put on their team. Website after the game in one notable thing was that calvin enlisted as the lone captain of the dolphins team. So you know we know they're gonna we're gonna miss some of the plays that those two players made but i don't think that it's going to make that significant of an impact on this game and we'll talk about what the charges are dealing with. Because i do think that they have You know there without a much bigger problem than what we have. But we need guys like rick. Want davis i mean. There's a reason he was drafted. There's a reason we saw bryan flora's happiest hell in the in the war room. You know high fiving kids when they drafted him because we know what type of you know he is. He's he's anchor. And then zach sealer guy who you know. I absolutely love what. He's been doing an odd kind credited him for a lot of the the the plays that he's making so i i think someone's going to obviously they're going to come together and they're going to overcome this upfront on the defensive line and then at linebacker i mean we saw. It was out earlier in the season with a minor injury and osama guava and stepped up in in his absence. So i think we'll see. Obviously that happened again. And you know guys like andrew van ginkel and you know you can sit here and list them all. But they'll need to step up. And again i agree with you. I going to be as big of an issue as some make believe or specially as much as a joey bosa and as we've heard the chargers will be without joey bosa their star pass rusher for sunday's game they will also be without running back justin jackson so your thoughts on what the impact of that is. I mean without justin jackson. That's just setting it up for a kayla balaj revenge game but but give me your thoughts on those two. And then i'll i'll give you mine. God i just love it. I mean twenty twenty. This is going to keep throwing atas nonstop. I mean you're you're kidding me. We have a bench game coming at us. Oh my god but is still on the practice squad. I don't know that he's i think was called up time. Oh man and that's i mean that's kind of the humor of this and we get a laugh about it. You have josh. Kelly whose i think just. They're guaranteed number two running back up. But i think going into this game. The the dolphins defense in my list of concerns for them was never the running back position. I do like someone i do. Go and get someone like kayla. Balaj does struggle in the receiving game. His ability to kind of wiggle out of tackles is subpar. And i mean when you look at this Backfield this offensive backfield of the kansas city. Kansas city. Oh man i'm all over the place. I'm sorry when you look at this backfield of the chargers with in herbert man. It's so much more exciting in relieving to go against this group compared to leave cairo color. Murray and chase edmonds just because the looseness. This is really a situation where i think an and will do it a little bit here that i think the dolphins defense kind of matches a pretty well. These days i agree. And i think we can't rule out austin ekeler's he is. He not ready to play. Did not come back this week okay. He's not yeah. Well then. I mean the way. This dolphins defense is playing. I don't think it really matters who's back there. And i absolutely agree with you Again i truly believe a candidate for mvp. And i'm not worried about kaelin blush. I won't even spin. This truly believing. This is going to be one of those revenge games because it is caitlin balaj but it's twenty twenty and stranger. Things have happened. But i think the dolphins do match up. Well and Say it's going to be a dogfight. I think joe shot posted the the numbers. And i wish i had him in front. I maybe you do but these are two of the the you know high powered offenses in the nfl going head to head. And it's the herbert tongue bowl and dolphin fans are going to overreact on every snap and we can't wait to see it. Yeah we're absolutely there for that. Hey let's take a break here. Give us a word from our sponsors. We'll dive into the game right after that so stay. Tuned chargers come in at two six against the miami dolphins as you mentioned in the front of the show. They are on a four game winning streak to hard rock stadium. Abu got four zero five kickoff. The charges are getting two and a half points and josh. You know there's only sixteen games. And i don't like how every week we're saying. This is a task. This is the test will no more after this week because everyone is so important. There's no week we could be like all right. They didn't win that that that's not a big deal because you know you're fighting for playoff spots here. The dolphins were saying this halfway through season are fighting for the division so when i look at the chargers dolphins game in the grand scheme. The chargers are brutal when it comes to Close games and you know. Those odds are eventually gonna switch into their favorite. Maybe drastically to the point. Where they're they're winning every single close game but we're going to start pulling some out. I don't wanna deal that. We need the dolphins to come out and play their type of game and show that they're from top to bottom the better team that farther along the rebuild the has a better direction That's kind of where. I'm at the situation when we look at these teams at what could ask here because i mean five and four isn't going to be looking that great. Yes it is going to be awesome. Yes already win total last year but i mean we need six thousand three there are. There stood up no excuses here. There's no excuses. And i think the reason we continue to say you know this is. Let's see what they can do this week because they're again they're playing with house money right now you know. No one expected them to do what they're doing right now. We heard what the national with your money money. We consider playhouses money. I don't have much of it. But they're playing with it and hopefully goes out there and wins us also but really are. They're playing with house money and we're waiting to see them. Just become the same old dolphins and it's yet to happen a very tough opponent like the chargers. And how much do you think. And we're gonna transition to this perfectly. How much do you think you know. Justin herbert remembers the dolphins and a of justin herbert. But i'm gonna continue to call this to herbert valuable because it really does sound like a college. You know there's like what three hundred college bowl games the tongue of loa herbert bowl. Not sound like something that would be a real thing that you watch but yeah i can't wait for that. But our favorite person. Mike tannenbaum former general manager of the miami dolphins now where i live. That's amazing. i don't think i knew that That's a fun. Mike tannenbaum fact that might be used for trivia. Along with patrick laird that everyone want to remind you but besides getting sidetracked he. He sat here needed a tale of a tape in this. They put this graphic. I'm looking at it. Thank you for putting this in google doc. But he's giving herbert and again before the draft. He said straight up. I would take justin her with that. Is my quarterback and we know he fits a lot of those bill parcells. You know the commandments of what he looks for. And it's all about size and and different things and being a leader a starter. He has herbert having the edge over tongue of low in the size department. Which okay no. One's going to argue that arm strength again. I don't know that anyone's going to argue that because herbert has a rocket and then athleticism late argue that after what we saw from two last year and then i contact her. I don't know if that was just a stab at two. Oh because everyone loves him. And the picture of justin. Herbert here like. We're gonna put this in the article. Like what is he looking at. He looks like he's yeah. He's by himself at his birthday and he is angry but Yeah i don't know what. Mike tannenbaum talking about. He doesn't go into the accuracy and leadership and all the things that to a does well he just sits here names off three things and then icon factor so to avert herbert. Tell me your thoughts on that because a lot of dolphin fans. It's not these two guys going against each other but to some fans it is a way of them to validate you know their draft thoughts. And that's crazy to me but it is what it is. Josh comes onto this week. Nine of the two thousand and twenty nfl season. It will decide if to earn. Justin herbert is the better quarterback. That is what it boils down to. No i'm kidding. Obviously i'm kidding. But when i look at this and we're going to put this picture with the story just because i love it so much i guarantee you might ten. Bob walked into a production meeting with the size arm. Strength athleticism ogling to herbert and editors literally looked at him and said we can't do this. We need something we need. We need to have something here. he is on. The better team is undefeated. A compactor however you grade that from tape as an eye contact to all right. Let's i'll take it. I guess for something for two but josh we're gonna save this picture. Because of the miami. Dolphins went on sunday. Let's crying jordan. Mean this one two. we did it with. I think we gotta do this one. If the dolphins off the win. Is that safe to say. I just love how we're bringing back dead for fifteen years. I mean that was one of the first memes. Like i'd like one hundred and no one ever cared. I mean we're bringing it back. And i love it. I just wish. I could put that frown or whatever that is on herbert's face on a crime jordan. That's beautiful he is. He looked so angry. In this you got to smiling. But i mean this is. This is going to be an exciting game. Josh crowe the tongue in cheek. I have over here. I mean it is going to be a pretty intense matchup between her and of course they aren't play against each other. But for the sake of those conversations. I want the national media to keep raving about my favorite football team. I don't know about you but it's more fun when we're winning and it's going to be unbearable that people are going to legitimately have this conversation whether it's national arrests two guys at the bar between herbert and talk about loa so i mean dolphins you just pick up a wind so we don't have to worry about it seems like the simplest Care of them. All it does. And i mean i can't wait to watch two players because just think about this. This is in the rookie season. And they're already getting all these accolades. And we see herbert breaking all these records. And we see to a leading the dolphins downfield. This is going to be another awesome match up. And i don't know about you but just watching. Nfl network and you just see in the corner of the screen is like previewing next morning football the next day and they're showing to a running and i'm like where was this whole life. It's amazing you mentioned cheek and at the beginning of the show. Normally we say. Follow us on twitter. We do have to remind you please. If you're listening to podcasts subscribed to us whether you're on spotify apple stitcher subscribe leave us a rating if you take a picture of that and send it to jake on twitter at j. m. e. n. d. e. l. ninety four or myself at house h. o. u. t. z. You'll be qualified to win yourself. 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But for the dolphins come out with this victory on sunday they need three keys they have three different emissions in you to get them all And ready to go. And i want to kick this off by saying adult zepa needs to keep doing what it does in the red zone The chargers are twenty third red zone officials e scoring a touchdown about fifty percent of the time. Kicker michael bagley is fourteen of eight nine hundred ninety eight jesus sanders all mrs coming from forty so basically akiva from the dolphin. Sierra i mean especially at home especially with the dolphins are having the greatest weapons on offense. I mean they just seem to keep playing this strong red zone deep and the don't break the quotes we hear about you. Don't get points for getting yards that type of thing and the dolphins are allowing touchdowns at and sixty percents red zone drives which is about twenty thousand league and honestly. I thought it was better than that. But the the chargers have a lot of really good on targets. In mike williams. Physical guy he kinda you know. Has that mike or that. Devante parker type frame at just play playmaking ability keenan allen. Who if he hasn't dealt with all the injuries throughout his career. I think we'd be talking about this guy. Is the top. Three lack rider seaver. Nfl hunter henry of red zone threat. Certainly at the tight end position. Even the dolphins over the last couple of years have got better at defending the tight end. Absolutely i one hundred percent agree with you. Akina now. And he's a guy You know i targeted fantasy every year but you mentioned that dolphins defense and right now. They're tied for fourth with the pittsburgh steelers allowing twenty point one points per game We know you mentioned it. They they allow those those yards we saw with the los angeles rams. We saw last week with the cardinals. We allow those big jars. Those big plays but once they get down to the red zone. This defense is suffocating. And yes they might miss a christian wilkins. Yes they will miss a calvin but this team has proven that they had these guys can step up. And we're going to need to do so you know. They do need to keep that up and they do need to limit those mistakes. And it's gonna come down to that secondary and those big receivers like you mentioned and again hunter henry verse eric. Rowe i mean that's a matchup. I can't wait to see. Because i do think hundred. Henry's and underrated tight end in this league. And eric rose one of the best shutdown Tight end racers in the nfl. So there's a lot of nice matchups here. And i think a lot of dolphin fans need to not overlook the chargers just because it is just in her whether you have a belief on him and how you feel about him. Don't look at this team and think there are slouch. Because they're they're very good on both sides of the football and this is gonna be a hell of a fight. We've seen over the last few weeks. I think both xavien howard at byron jones probably have a bad taste in their mouth following last week's performance. Obviously they're you're gonna up touchdowns you're gonna have bad games. But i think these guys can really come out and prove themselves and josh. I waited a talk about this until now but the charges run very vertical offense. They take the strikes downfield. It's not like the type of offense. The dolphins trying to run with too aware. It's a lot of rollouts. It's a lot of spreading the ball around the field. Many guys make plays just in herbert's got a cannon. We mentioned it already and he really likes to go vertical. And that's part of the reason. An e a homer here trying to work myself into this. But that's where. I think you know Christian wilkins and calvin knowing might be missed. A little more near facing someone like dolphins. Let's say slick that spread it around type of offense because they have such a great job of going into that first layer before that both sticks. You know whether it's five yards. Downfield to seven yards outfield ben area and really getting in front of plays. I don't that's the type of game plan. I think they really really want to push the ball. Downfield soap. this team. I think is gonna rely a lot more. The the buyer joe's is examining how. It's the bobby mccain's of the world to really keep that communication going in that secondary. Especially in the dolphins defense they blitz more than i think twenty eight of the thirty two teams in the nfl. So it's really gonna come down to that i think. And that's another reason why. I think maybe being without christian wilkins and calvin while it is. It is impactful. I'm not trying to say it isn't but i mean i think that's why i think for this match. We could kind of hide that not being insensitive. That makes sense. It does and i think the dolphins just got to go out there and continue to what we've seen over the last few weeks. You mentioned the pressure that they're applying. I mean i stayed up very late watching those pack. Those games with justin. I saw what he did when some of the pressure got to him. That's the way you attack him. And then he throws up those balls that you do have chances with you mentioned byron jones wanting to do much better than last week. I think he gave up. What six receptions. On six targets he was getting burned and that is what they cannot allow. They have to good receivers whether they up ex on. Keenan allen are excellent. Mike williams byron jones going to need to step up and do a lot more than what we saw last week. Because it's just not going to cut it and You know when you are playing a rookie quarterback. Do you need to attack them. So i think the dolphins need to continue doing what they're doing. Josh boras game plan and it should work out because you know that is justin herbert's weakness key number. Two is simply keep that special teams special. It's a shame. I i just think they're not going to give jason sanders the special teams player of the week every week. Even though i think he deserves it he had better kicks the nick folk. Who did get though award for the new england patriots sanders. He's up to twenty st vehicles dating back to last year. We mentioned in our previous showed that he has a new career high of fifty six that he knocked last week along with the came winner that you were kinda hoping for and josh. Even you know kenyan drake santayana warning. 'cause i think it was him and chase edmonds on the sideline Edmonds prize that The dolphins were attempting a fifty six yard and then drake leading edmonds. Cinders pretty has a pretty big. Yeah then he responded with her duck noise so you know and then and then sanders nailed and it turned out to be the game winner. And i don't know if you saw the picture. I tweeted a little bit ago. But i was able to sit in on jason sanders zoom meeting and this dude growing an epic beard. And he says you know what's working right now. This beards working. He said you know when it stops working. I won't need it anymore. So he's twenty. Hit the last twenty field goals. I mean this guy looks like a man who who started growing that beard when when this whole a whole started and so i don't want i don't want to get too nitty gritty statistics. Especially in a podcast. Where it's really hard to follow. Sometimes when you're throwing out just a bunch of random numbers but football. Outsiders combines field goals extra points kickoffs kick returns punts and punt returns to build a special teams devi away much like they do for offense and defense and the dolphins are at a ten point. Seven the second best mark in terms of special teams. va One point one percent behind baltimore for the best mark. The chargers are the lowest at a negative ten point. Six percent in terms of special teams. Unit really hurts them. We talk about how great the miami dolphins defense has been. The special teams have been just as good. I mean king grant the nephew who is really playing like an adult here. It's really time we give him up. He caught four or five targets last week. From thirty five yards. But i mean that's special teams Production he gives. This team is better than anybody else. In the league is the only punt return touchdown. eighty eight yarder. The punt return by fifteen yards is only very caught. The ball four times a season and the next guy is still thirty yards behind him so he is always helping the dolphins. Push that ball forward. A you mentioned that the tenured punt return in the end of the first half against arizona really hopes set that field goal but josh special teams man it we. We don't give it enough credit that the dolphins have one of the greatest units intervals special teams and nichols farther jason sanders. Being the best kicker fell when she is. I don't carry on. Sorry justin tucker. You had your ten years. It's jason sanderson. It is jason sanders time. But i think you know. Put whatever you want into that formula. They make up of this number to me. The thing that stood up stood out the most to me. Is that the baltimore ravens head coach. John harbaugh he was a special the reason he is the ravens head. Coach is because of what he did with the philadelphia eagles special teams group. There i mean to to see that. The miami dolphins special teams is playing as well as you know arguably one of the best special teams coaches in you know history of the league. Almost i mean that's crazy and i think they do need to go out there and you need to continue to whether it be jason sanders leg in the successful natter. Even matt hocking. I don't have numbers in front of me. But he's played absolutely well. You got a credit this entire unit. It's not just the kicker it's not just the punters the long snappers and jason centers. You mentioned how much you know how valuable they are the snap in the hold and how meaningful that is to his twenty consecutive feels. But it's even more than that. It's the gunners it's when you're seeing a community or hill just flying down the freaking field. You know making a tackle on a guy in open field. I mean that's impressive. Or mac running down there in downing a punt. I mean this is an entire unit. That's playing well and it needs to keep up and You know a lot of fans they might look at special teams and you might look at the field goals in the punt returns but it is those things in between those blocks and those guys that don't get the credit that truly makes that number so meaningful. Yeah and don't forget last week. Andrew van ginkel pop pop the ball three on special teams as a kick off. I think it was to begin the second half. The cardinals recovered it. We're not really thinking about it. But i mean this is such a big key for the dolphins especially when you look at the two ends of the spectrum. It's not just that the dolphins are so great in terms of special teams. The chargers really really struggle in this area. So whether it's you know appoint maybe get off a block this week. Maybe it's just getting the tip on a field goal to make it go a little off to the left of the even last week. They tipped one of the field goal at the field goal. I think it was early in the first half that the cardinals had so. I mean this is just something. I really want you guys to listeners. Keep in mind. When you're watching the game where i think you know displayed special teams being on the field. The by far the lease in terms of offense defense i mean. Just keep an eye on it. Because i think this is where the dolphins can really really change a game. Obviously we're not going to get a defensive touchdown every week even though it seems that way but i mean this is another area. Where the dolphins at night. I think money can be looked at as part of the defense but can really get a step ahead and shorten the field or mega twice as long for justin. Herbert this is. I think despite it being number two i think this is the biggest key and i think it's again it's just goes to show you. How awesome the dolphins are playing right now because we talk about. How the defense is we talk about with two of did offensively and now you're sitting here and we're praising the special teams unit and you know what they can do in this game two to change it and it's just crazy because this team's playing complementary football and then for the third key josh i remember it was like two thousand fourteen or so and i want to say i really really got into football especially the miami dolphins about twenty twelve. The ten hell years just financing play school. I got into college doing a lot of dolphins related content and twenty fourteen. It was so cool because the dolphins are riding high. They got a feature on thanksgiving like when in between the two games. I think it was. Cbs that something they looked into ten hills is as he's like flipping of popol randomly. This is the coolest stuff ever. The national media is giving us love. I'm so excited. This is my teams playing well. They went three and five down the stretch and they finished eight. They went four. They fire the coach the next year. The miami dolphins need to ignore the noise of all the hype. You know you mentioned that you're watching good morning folk all. It's you're seeing dolphins pilots. And you're not used to that you know you're you're used to having to grab from twitter or youtube. Find anything type and dolphins content you you head but it's it's out there now. Everyone's really liking this team. They can't overlook the chargers. Josh five and four is one game away from five hundred six three. You are really lining yourself up. Playoff run with the denver broncos and the jets on the horizon josh. This team cannot had not cannot think of the can't and again we talk about how they're playing with house money or as we say helps money but they're in very good position and at this point i mean it kind of be a disappointment if they kinda sputter out like we've seen in the past especially especially from abroad on floors team and you mentioned those teams in the past and you know we've got those hot starts and i. I remember there was a monday night game. I think the undefeated Dolphins were taken on the undefeated saints. They are five and no and you know we felt really good about the dolphins and they got their ass kicked and after that you know they didn't do anything i don't remember. I forget what happened after that but you know this is just a different team. And i don't know that they're hearing that same outside noise we kinda saw You know the approaches they take with these rookies like to and you know kind of shelter him or you know you can just see the way. They've coached up these players to kind of you know. Take that new england approach and you hate to use that term. But you know. They're just they're just not listening to it you know. They're taking one game at a time. They realized that every game in the nfl can be won and lost on sunday. And they're going out there and they realize that if they play together they do their job. Good things have happened in. I mean that's what brian flores continues to preach and i'm sitting here getting excited thinking about it because he's preaching it and it's exactly what's unfolding right now in year. Two you know midway midway through year two of a rebuild. I mean it's exciting. But if they go out there and lay an egg the justin herbert not only. Is it going to be unbearable to hear justin. I mean he's already on pace i. I don't know what the record is doesn't have like two thousand some yards passing. This guy is playing out of his mind and a lotta people didn't expect it. I think you know whatever happens. And you know this is gonna be cliche. Don't put too much stock into it has a stinker you know. He doesn't suck the defense if he goes out. There and cars don't be too hard on them but they need to go out there and they need to put together a complete game like we mentioned all three phases and take care of business because they are in very good position and anything more at this point. Then a playoff spot you know would be a huge letdown. Yeah it's as simple as that. Just don't overlooked steve ahead you know it's it's about three phases winning the game for my key player josh. I've tried so hard and got so far but in the end it doesn't even matter. Because i'm taking a quarterback i think to tugela is the key player in this week's matchup and the reason why is simply not because he has to go out there and throw three hundred yards but we know the dolphin struggle in terms of yet we know. The dolphins are formed the bitstream running backs josh side note. So von is the akkhmed amid. I thought i saw on twitter and the announcer announces did a hard c. h. I thought there was a little bit in for acted. That's why didn't the podcast. I am unaware of what the exact one is. But here's was fun to watch. I apologize a pronouncing his name wrong. I just wanted to out there. But something i heard. And it was the dr thomas travis. Wingfield brought up an interesting point. How bring it up. The charges blitz thirteen percent of the time the worst mark in the nfl. So they bring for. That's it if you're only bringing four that means they're a seven guys in that secondary. It's going to be up to to help this team kind of march down the field. Make the right reads because i don't know if he acts going to be the answer. I don't know if any of these running backs can really really carry the workload. It's gonna be up to two and a kind of duty to last week. Move the team down. The field really decisively. Make these throws at. Keep those chains moving in order to get touchdowns and that's gonna kind of be it. Because i think our offensive line is going to be able to hold a front for. That doesn't include joey bosa but it's about making mistakes it's not about. It's about not getting confused when you have that time and panicking and we saw them from wet last week from two of that. He doesn't seem like a panicker he doesn't and i. I want that same route last week in to a step big and he's absolutely going to have to play. You know another very good game to go out there and alto herber. I though have been you know. I've gone off all sorts of different directions with this started out thinking it was going to be byron jones. We already mentioned you know what he needs to do. Then i was going to go on. Sal med You know you brought him up sometime. We're gonna mention him. So i'm gonna come to the wide receivers and i'm going to just you know i've already. I've already thrown two is out the window there. I'm just going to go with Devante parker keen grant. Because you know with preston williams out. I mean those two guys it is gonna come down to them and we all love with antonio calloway can do or what you know. He has the potential to do. We all know limp out and has the potential to do and you know what now comparing the list goes on and on but we need to see it from grin you know. He continues to say that we know that he's a workout warrior. He knows he continued to say. I'm a wide receiver. I'm not just punt returner and we're starting to see it again. We talk about it in the last pockets. These cream separation that some of these other wideouts or not but he needs to step up because at this point you know this is this is his time to shine. And if he can't do it now with these type of you know snaps in this expanded role i. I don't know if we'll ever become that receiver that we hope on the flipside devante parker and he's already shown he's number one receiver but he needs to go out there and almost dominate this game. So those two guys from me you know they. They kind of seem to be best friends but they need to go out there at least from the wide receiver perspective. Give the guy that you said to those targets because without preston williams we saw in that game. How valuable preston was early You know so needs to step up and become the number one guy for two to look to those critical situations. I love the pitcher. Kim grant and we. I mentioned the special teams. But he's he's getting better. I mean he's i think even he fits into a a little bit just the speed. The hey we're gonna anticipate you being open. I'm going to throw the ball. It's gonna be right there when you need it. So i i love that pick and you know. We doubted to grant early in the season. But i think he's going to have us eating eating the words i think he's headed in the right direction. And that's kind of where. I feel to where this offense is really going to need someone to step up. I think it is going to be a lot of the two. Were just kind of we're gonna get ten yards. We're going to get ten yards. Guess what we're going to get ten yards just over and over and that's how they're gonna get down the field. But i mean if you're keen grant can take one of the house devante. Parker could break a couple tackles and take one of the house this game. I mean what will be on a whole different type of trajectory. Because i think if the dolphins can get off to a ten point lead something like that this defense again not having christian wilkins and kyle will hurt but having guys like shack loss emmanuel ogbah running three pitting their ears back. That's going to be a sight to see especially with. Someone isn't as mobile as murray justin. Herbert likes to sit in the pocket. If they can get to him early force a couple of turnovers. I think thou- beat the dolphins swimming in gravy josh. Let me hear your game prediction. We'll wrap up the show with mind. Okay and just a quick. Wrap kind of throw something out with what you said. We can't though underestimate. What herbert do with his life. Because this kind of a similar player you know. He's not quite as speedy and elusive as josh allen. But he have some sneaky quickness. We do have to watch. What herbert can do. Their quick sneaky quickness hardline. Original sneak chris on a for me this game though it again. It's going to be these defenses are going to give up points. I don't think it's going to be you. Know a ten to seven one of those snooze fest from back. When the dolphins went undefeated everyone wants to remind us about. I think they are going to put up points. And i think the dolphins are going to come out on top of this. The top of this podcast there. What two and a half point favorites. I think they're going to win thirty seven. Thirty one Again my mass off. I'm not even gonna sit here and try to figure out how we're getting there but there's some sanders vehicles in their. He won't hit the game winner this week but the field goals make your your frigging whiz. The dolphins are i mean. This'll be five in a row and you know they're more than in the hunt josh. I think the chargers score that much against the dolphins. I don't like the four pox Start i wish we got to see them. Just kind of melt away in that miami sun but it's still going to be hot. They're still going west coast east coast. The dolphins i think under brand floor is under who i think might end up being the coach of the year. If you want to keep that campaign he has these guys locked on sunday. I don't think there is any type of way the dolphins give this game. I'm going to say the dolphins take it. I'm going to say thirty to thirteen or seventeen. I'm going to say thirteen because we went this whole show josh. We need a fire cells. What is miami's secret weapon on sunday that we completely ignored the throwbacks. We how the. How do we not even talk about book. That's the most exciting part about this weekend. Besides a ton of i lo- herbert bowl that we're going to see in two thousand forty five. I i can't wait man. I mean this is the most. We continue to hear and brian floors kind of through that nugget out there and i love you continue to preach coach year. Can we make yard signs. Can we make bids for this. Can we start selling these things. That dolphin fans can have hanging out there. Coach of the year But i think just to to hear brian flores said that if he had his vote he would decide that he would he would choose the throwbacks. I mean that's awesome. Hopefully sooner than later we see fulltime. But this is this is gonna be the prettiest game to watch from. A you know a steady point of view because these are two of the top uniforms if not the top. Two in all sports josh is there is absolutely no way. The dolphins lose on sunday in those uniforms. Yes this is something you know analytic football now but i mean uniforms. There's no. there is no number to find uniforms. I just cannot see the dolphins losing in those things i mean. They beat the patriots monday night. Football in those things to us. I gave in that throwback trying to run into those orange end zones. Oh my god. We were worried about panicked game. But i suddenly. I'm talking myself into the fact that i think they're going to be riled up to be able to go out there in those throwbacks and kind of relive the memories of the old dolphins. Yeah you talk. About two and a throwback. This is getting real not safe for work. I think i need to go have a cigarette. Stop thinking about this weekend's game because this this is gonna be awesome. And i it's it's going to be beautiful and it's gonna be fun to watch and i do think the dolphins are gonna come out and like you said there's no way they lose this game and the sign hanging here with so much homer as but i mean that's kind of how we feel again. This is the dolphins podcast if you want if you want some straight and narrow numbers go it. Works arcs focused. You know exactly exactly the winning streak is on. I think we'll keep it going on sunday. I'm very excited to see those miami dolphins in those throwbacks. John's make sure you have that crying jordan name ready because it is going to. I'm going to be rolling on the floor laughing sharing that thing. If the dolphins pull out a victory if not i mean we'll just be the crying jordan's when we get back to our monday but thank you so much for listening. Hit that. subscribe button if you enjoy what. You're listening to lieber view. Let their josh or myself. Know about that on twitter at ninety four at house. 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2019 NFL Draft Extravaganza

NFL: The Dave Dameshek Football Program

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2019 NFL Draft Extravaganza

"Dangerous. Verde damage Schick football program available on apple podcast and at NFL dot com slash. Now, here's your host day damage high ball fans loved them today damage football program presented by Zach speeds fingers wings eyelids. We're in Nashville Tennessee, and we've just sat in on a spectacular night. The first round always splendid stuff. I know I like the crack my wise, but it's also delightful every time to watch these guys twenty years old twenty two years of age surrounded by their families. Even though they know it's there, they all know it's coming. It's still in that moment that all of a sudden lives are changed financially, and otherwise it's really fun to get the pay witness to that. And so was once again here in Nashville, Tennessee despite thunderstorms cracking thunderstorms outside and we caught up with many of the big name guys. And we're gonna share them with you now and see to my immediate left. Eddie spaghetti. You got the glad hand with a couple of the newest New York Giants. Yeah. I was lucky enough to I guess me two of the three Daniel Jones. Andrea Baker the giants are presently traded back into the first round. And that's pretty much a lot to say about that was I would say the shocker the draft in the first round was was Daniel Jones the Steelers traded up to get Devon Bush. That's big news, obviously on the banks of the three rivers. Interesting storyline that that Antonio Brown's cousin marquees Brown. Wind up with the Baltimore Ravens that issued provide some interesting storylines as we move forward. And also that Clemson defensive front that dominated nothing less than than the football juggernaut of the twenty first century, the Alabama crimson tide all the light fulfill is the ones that we got the bachelor off a great group, fellas. And that was another big shocker there. Cleland fair not going in the first round book going as high as did to the Oakland Raiders. Alright spaghetti what do you think? Let's get going here. The most with all due respect, we talked to a bunch of of great fellas. But I think the most dynamic of them all LSU linebacker now. He's at Tampa Bay buccaneer down there with Bruce Arians. He's a funny guy. And I think Devon white gonna fit in beautifully. She went wanna take a listen. Everyone's enjoy interview. Also, I think it's exciting. I should say, you know, one thing we've noticed in the last few days here, Nashville, Tennessee, the town's lousy with musicians anywhere you go every bar every street corner. Somebody singing they got their coup stick Atari and everything and this was no less even in our little recording space here recording artist chock Kingston is out. It was name was like, yeah. We got a couple of different names. Chet Dunst, Chester singing Lee. Yeah, that's too. I don't know what his name. Anyway, he's a hit recording artist. And he and he was nice enough to play the guitar for me. And I just laid down some tracks. You were you very good. I've I've nice voice. No you do. I don't care what Chris Wilken will to say about that. We'll hear from him later right now. Here is the newest member of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the delightful. Devon, white everybody. Get cozy mister cowboy guy with the boots and the horses and all that stuff. The head is I Isla all you your LSU collars, got loyalty going home. But what do you think about the buccaneers? Part of playful happy and list. I like your way immediate really like your way bliss. Have you talked with Bruce Arians? I have did he call you see the one who called, you know, coz Asia like called me first, but he did put coach Bruce on the phone. Yeah. What you say what I do tend to Harry, I'll tell hill. Thank you. I said I told you I was gonna take you soon as he got on the phone. I'll say you, Amanda, were you very genuine. I'm ready to give you my on. I told him you're trying to town up in the way. He should go ahead. Never the point. I said I never depart the books, and I'm going get you everything I got this is what a magnificent way you have about. I like an all righty. My only concern is you're clearly a man of high style. What about the uniforms the uniform? Yeah. The buccaneers uniform, and they were already there were all white. They were really great. I like it like it ain't gonna be looking good play to get down. Thirty wins the game. If you you like the look good, look good, look good as LA union forms, look. Nice. But we always say they. Yeah. Was you white? Why fast? So help us to really, you know, over the care about all that. All right. If you're cool with it. Then I'm good with it. Then I think it's a nice Bruce Arians is the light guy on about a style. And you got James over. And you got you got all sorts of pieces of the new that wouldn't be what thing about about what? Yeah. That's all. I mean, you got your loaded up front of order. You're going to get the play hero. Right. Let's get them going to get to play brother. Like, I'm gonna get the play brother. I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna be a great, brother. Great. See may. And we're gonna make some have. I wish I could be like you. I'm too too much of a sour puss. You gotta get rid of that takes come on me. And also you well can you teach me to ride horses? Adam I wherever they go don't be scared. What's your favorite kind of music NBA, young AM, a young boy, my favorite? I don't even know what that is. I it's always a rapid born arrays. He's only nineteen years old. But he's the best in the world. Okay. Well, the best I can do is in Nashville Tennessee, you can't go anywhere without bumping into. The country music ally cuts. You do your good with that? You're gonna see something you wanna do something, you know, had to in their role laidback swerve in Lacombe doors, so smokable and not the window cold water, thin known Akon so memory lays a been a head lies. Got me. Reminiscent on a good time of headed up a good lodge Dez might on the east side as right a day. Go. On the girl. I can't believe. Gimme a little. Kilter won't be as good as what you did. I'm sure but. You're all full nasty, and you got real quick feet. Good luck. With your move from Baton Rouge to Tampa, Saint Pete. That is going to be easy that wasn't as good as your own a flight, AVI. The at night. Giving white. I love it days. It may to tell. Who did you hug for your mom who I would hug, my mother Hobo this question, of course, of course, what are you gonna what are you gonna buy? I with the momma nice crew. What would you buy? I buy my momma and ice cream. How about that? I'm not gonna let you beat me. Because my mother's definitely gonna see this. I don't know of your mom. I know my mother will. I'm not going to let Devon white sit here and show me will wait is a fantastic person. Even better football. He no more cut. You. You're the light for once what number you gonna wear in the NFL. It live forty. Why don't you you're going to be allowed to wear forty nine though isn't all starts number though. I know more. I think you'll be getting. Got it. You got all the answers. You know, why even ask the question? You got the answer. I'll just grill. You love me, which I love it. I want you to go have a wonderful time with the gang whoever's out. Here your mom and everybody else celebrate Nashville, Tennessee, you know, if you're the country singer like that, I'm sure that if you just got drafted if you can sing on this show. I'm sure they'll give you the microphone in any haughty Tong joint you want tonight. You can sing. With taking him biz. And he was a jeers alluded girl came through front holding fishing pole. His Dan look down, this smile and said, son. I know you all heard go someday, you change your mind. I don't know. Listen, I I'm excited to be to be basking, the reflected globe your big night. This is like a top twenty five moment in your life for you. Drafty. Yeah. Draft top five and five win top five win five this number one moment in my life. Thank god. The state you coast areas, they Cho's light. They do to everybody who played a part in me to become a book and then go Tigers tiger's play. All right. And you lift weights numb you should start that because a lot of guys in the NFL do, and I'll tell you. Well, bill. Okay. Even. That's that's yeah. That's that's natural strength. You know, could you beat me in a fight? And I went hurt you. You wouldn't would hurt a fly? And and less we're between the lives, right? Yeah. I wouldn't. I don't I'm not a play. I wouldn't hurt you on the field by play hard. I think, but I want her to feel you should know. I didn't get drafted yet. But if I were to get drafted, you just you can't hit you can't catch those. Oh life. Oh, three bands. I'm I I ran it. I ran a six one kitchen. It's you if you up let's run again, go kitchen hitch, again, you're that kinda guy or a big gun, Devon wide. Everybody. All right. Yeah. He's I mean, he took over the microphone. Yeah. We have to rename the show to the Devon white busy so hot. He's not gonna be able to not gonna have time to do to do whatever you want to have been white. How about this though? Another Devon highly coveted really from a lot of teams drafting roundabout, the the buzz was if Devon Bush reached the ten slot that there would be a lot of teams trying to jump up and get him and trade up into it. It was the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've had a need obviously since Ryan chasers awful injury. A couple years ago that's been in football terms. Obviously a spot that they've needed to fill with speed, and otherwise, and they they now land that with I guess coincidentally ironically from Ryan cheesier, Ohio State they now look to Devin Bush to fill that spot. The Michigan wolverine great, surely Ryan cheesier will be helping to coach up Devon Bush going forward and and in here. My conversation with the new Pittsburgh Steeler. Devin Bush listening today, Dan shea. First things. First what Gibbs what what's the what's the the fashion of as me? We just came up with it for my own little spend too little personality audit wanna conditional sue retie. And I just wanted to do something off the charts. All right. And so you have a natural you intend to do on the grin Zev, right Zadie. Do you have you considered that you the people from the basic region there have you heard the Pittsburgh accent? Are you familiar with Phnom not familiar with it? You don't know what it's out don't it's while. You're quarterback's name is. This him think about what do you think about that? What do you think about this guy being your QB here? Great. Yeah. If all the great quarterback man he'd been there for a while. So he knows we doing I can learn a lot from actually do you think? Like, how do you say his name barracks better Ben Rothlisberger? That's how people say but not in Pittsburgh. They Roth buyer while says burger Roth aspire that's accent. Yeah. Day. Let's go downtown and watch the Steelers playing brownies X rothlisburger. Who says good he's going to hall of fame? I thought he talking talk never acted before. Well, you're going to get used to. A high state. You know, the way there's something nice. And you know, to be honest with the poignant about high imagine that you're going to be working at least a little bit with Ryan cheesier a little bit Ohio State. Michigan rivals at one point. Now coming together. Imagine he will help get acclimated the Pittsburgh definite. You should. I mean back your backyard garden from south from south, Florida. So I'll see what see what he's a wonderful guy as well. I'm sure you'll get along gang busters. What's your favorite kind of music lay rap music? You like rap music. Okay. Well, I mean, I think he can play you can play rap music. Okay. I want to sing a song. We're Nashville kissing on. Right. Lambere mail. Blond means Joe and Woodson. Lou. And so many of those you on. Steal couldn't trainee Ambato away the rivers in Pittsburgh, the Ohio Mananga halo Allegheny. I gotta give you that one. I was around because you hear this is it. I mean, I think you're gonna I I know the Steelers typically like the lead a guy sitting learn a little bit. But I do think that that the moment is now sign Ross's per to that extension now couple years they're going to be looking at the win to dead on a roll right away. Now. So so best wishes to best Tia also pirates, Faneuil hockey. I heard hockey a person is actually really really like offering Hockey Hall off twelve do you wanna go downtown downtown downtown Haughey yet. Yen's wanna go downtown and watch the Steeler game. Oh, like, I got to use it as weird. It does it with you. You got a little little uniqueness to it. What number you're gonna get with? Who knows? I don't know. Let's figure that out right now. I don't know what numbers got open. I mean. I know I know fifties. Wow. Fifty shades ear the session as he has fifty five with Mocatta kind of cool on your maybe I gotta see I got to see check in with me. And we'll figure that definitely more excited to get drafted tonight or about seeing the adventures while kind of fifty fifty that on as right now, probably sixty forty what the draft, but it's kind of leaning towards fifty fifty again because the analysis done, and I wanna movie, well, I hear you. But you wouldn't wanna hurt coach Tom that's ninety call could have been there for vendors either. Right. By the way. It's now coach Tomlin goes Tomlin coach Tomlin David day. He like we got to have in Bush now he's going to be doing. That's how it's going to be day rowdy light. Very like, oh, you're gonna. Right. So listen best health to go. Get him out there. You have a city of diehard football fans really excited that you're going to be putting on the black and gold. Enjoy you. Join now the legacy of the greatest defensive pieces that history. Yeah, I'm ready to be a part of that. All right. Let's do one more thing. I wanna see deba- all everybody talks about is your height. Just check. How goes? Who's taller? Devin bushes taller this. Yeah. But that's right. But the other thing you're known for your speed. But you get. All right, go get him, Devin Bush be healthy, man. Have a good time in Pittsburgh. I liked how thrown he was by the Pittsburgh accent? He not like, and I'll say to quickly about him as the first one was I was very impressed that you not only predicted there. The Steelers were trade up that they're gonna take Devin Bush, and you weren't even like shocking. Yeah. I know they're going to the whole time. And then also I saw him the combine a few months ago, and he like for his ties being two hundred and thirty pounds. He had to pass forty. I've ever seen in verse in the guy just flute on the field. So it's pick while I don't know if you've heard but speed kills in the NFL like saying that. But it also is actually true here. I wouldn't have been stunned. I appreciate the compliment. But I also wouldn't have been stunned if they would've said, yeah, we traded up, and we got TJ Hopkinson if that would have happened. Listen, they need somebody to replace the pass catcher that is now playing over and Oakland, but you know, what speaking of TJ we're gonna hear from him in just a second. Meantime, though, the jets with. Maybe a kind of steel I know he went third overall, but by all the scouts account. So they say or the most dependably. Hi, Ed, Donald right, people think he's gonna be a great one and another Alabama great from that defensive line. And and another nice guy immediately. He sat down he turned his hat backwards. When we went from there here. He is everybody Quinton Williams. Shit. First of all, congratulations. How's it New York Jets as a manager to be part of New York? Dismal. A lot of guys on got your digital domain. Alabama was most of the Linda wins. Great news Lambda yet demain great saved about a corner on there with great personality. Great enthusiasm. I manage the great to be a part of that, man. I feel a lot of love for those guys when I came to the visit them, and it just amazing. Maybe in bells are any tweet natch. Yeah. I see I see. Hit man. But when I look at our phone, it'll be amazing. Yeah. Do you d a hate the patriots yet on? Due to face the quarterback. So I'm willing to try get the court about whatever team we play against, you know, a twelve doesn't like he doesn't like inside pressure. Can you provide some of their sermon of the wheels? Man the other guys on the defense. Can do a great saw performed me. Get the 'em Mijas appraising play all three one through three third down. And I get on a really good in the front. So whatever I get to change. Do. I would always who you hug, I think. I go I go on. On. I don't like when guys hubby agent. I you made the right choice, sir. Already looking good. You're gonna be you're gonna be very stylish up in New York's I need to be playing with levian Val. This is. Sam darnold. Let's save Insani here from him yet on I heard this year. But I know for Selma hit him when I get done doing all the media things today. I gotta ask you the first overall pick Cuyler murdering just before you played in the national title game. Somebody asked you about him. And you started the say something, then you're like, no, I'm good. What were you going to say? I'm gonna say, oh, we're not lie. Whistler not like normal defense. We're we're having to rely. We not just in a kind of defense. They was treating this. We'll let column merge run on over in competitive nature of competitive person. I am like all quarterbacks. So man when I get a chance to go the dummy quarterback competition runs because their competitive person. I am I want to dominate every. So I wanna give you treat coming here. What's your favorite kind of music more about I like hip hop. Okay. I can't give you that. I'll give you this. Instead, it's country music. This is this is Dirk here is gonna call him right now. Here's a song. I got for you, baby. Same Donald in Quin. And guess what? New your kids time to stop win and dried for serving. So we win win with Quinton for. That's never been said before. You need just came up with that right here number. You're gonna wear Ono on minute we attitude, so I'd probably just go to picking on. No, no, no. It does matter. Don't be like that. Don't be like whatever you want to quit manager this important decision in your life. You know, fifteen years from now, you're going to the hall of fame. You want it to be cool number for suing the nine. Won't be cool. I think about it when I get to see the numbers that available. Okay. Need help. I'm here for you just said that I thought about like, I got home and recalling days when they called your name when they called your name did your eyes. Do like Adam gates did when they introduced him. Did you see that? Oh well. On that one. You are. Well, Joe you this. What do you think of this? This the goat, man. Go get them. I gotta go say goatman you've got to say it to go. Tonight when he's gonna tell them. Right now. Almost secular a second. I gotta say celebrate on that. Do it hiding ready? Look at that. All right Quinton. I'm very happy for you. Congratulations to I'm glad you didn't have to wait too long. Now, you're going to go out hit the streets and party up with the family on everybody else. That's from go to sleep the sleep too much. Tomorrow go he made I bro. Did you see those uniform Jay you'll see them all at one for serve? Did. I let all of go. Get them sell. Our thank you Gillian best to healthy and best. The best of luck t- York City. Quinton williams. Everybody. Quinton is winning while. We'll see if he does it should have been like a should have been an exa a question. Mark Quinn and his winning. I don't know. Let's see Adam gays showed him the Tom Brady picture. I mean, I kind of think they're the team to take down Tom Brady and the patriots could the jets when the new uniforms I liked I liked his response. One way or the other next up. I mentioned TJ Hawkins and sin goes from Iowa. One is the to Iowa tight ends and other kind of fun little story line there that to Iowa guys both tight ends go in the first round top twenty picks. Even TJ Hopkinson welcomed the Detroit, but first a quick detour to the DFB here in Nashville. Dan. Detroit Lions new superstar tight end. Can you believe it? Can you believe you got draft? Pretty fun, right? Yeah. It's a real. It's a lot of fun. I was having to spend with my family, go back home with them and see them go back tally at hails. But John, I my Grandpa's ninety two. That's great. It's been a it's been a dream of his I'll ruled that will use like, you know, wash. I guys does here now. So so it's exciting. Oh, man. I can't imagine legitimate. We don't laugh. Yeah. I like that. You might be able to mess built play pro football. Not how you about. Yeah. I did. I mean, your hands snaky. So NFC north have you have you had a second even consider this. Did you have any sense that it was going to be the Detroit Lions process? You really don't know. Really? I mean, no one knows what's going to happen knows where you're going. So I mean, I didn't have any hopes have any aspirations. I was just ready to go play ball. And that's I'm sure you've answered it a million times already over the last five six months at least. But you you're all the cops from gronk to Jason Witten. You know, any high end tight end, basically in pro football, the last fifteen twenty years who do you compare yourself to or do you look up to at the position? Oh, man. I mean, there's so many great people look up to. I mean this. This says involves route, you know, the the years, you know, cream Caskey had a great great. I mean, you you love to have something like that. And that's why fired me, but you know, at this point in my life. I gotta make team. I I was drafted I, but I make the team it'd be funny if they cut you I mean, it wouldn't be funny on, but it would be like kinda funny in an IRA. I'm trying to have trust me go where I like that attitude is that would be a shame. It'd be unfortunate. What's what's feels like a nice nineteen so far? But we'll catch up have a laugh about it. We talked about it. So Matt Stafford I mean, like, I say, obviously, I it's unfair to even ask you about that because I'm sure you're over the moon with just the idea of being picked by any NFL team, but legitimately there's a real fit in a spot for you to to be really productive out of the gate here. Here's a great quarterback. Really just excited to work with one of the great arms under century. I mean, he's he's gonna see the game differently than I've ever say. I'm on it. I'm trying to be a sponge, meet western guy Lien's. I mean, I'm sorry Packers. Vikings bears who who's your biggest rival now who hate the most. I was a cease fan so on the lines fan. So she's is that true. You were chiefs. Well from southern I was gonna flip the switch. Your lines guy through through through realize now that live in Kim city. So that's good with that without upset you. They're like, well, listen, we want you to do. Well, but we're not gonna made would us up seven. But they wouldn't do that. They wouldn't be like Kelsey is a little bit better. Oh, they weren't. They wouldn't say that. But I mean, he may be but they would say that. More excited to get drafted tonight or to see the avengers coming up. I don't know. This is pretty exciting. But I was saying I was gonna try and get tickets, but they're also. You can get him out. But I think you'd like see I think now this is this is your new life though. Now. Now, you just call up excuse me. This is I said, I'll have ten tickets. Thank you, though. I could do that. Well, maybe you're ninety two year old grandfather could pull that business. Mario. So that's another story. Let me give you a song real quick. What's your favorite kind of music walked out to main America? So okay. TJ? You sing you can see with you wanna seeing selling about office. Mad Patricia got an new tied end. TJ Hodkinson is going win. That was arrive. Trying. I wasn't ready. Hopkinson soft Iran with this. It is I'm with it. Listen, I want you to go out. And once you have a great night celebrate and enjoy it and have a good and healthy career. And you know, the Detroit lines fans people talk about the Browns and the jets, and like all these hard-luck fans lions fans are really hungry to see a winner. And I think they they just went a long way towards break in the smell of a Super Bowl. Go get him. Budget's those pretty classy from a Hoosier to be so nice great. You are. The. Hit me. I like when the guys hugged the right people, and he does ninety two year old grandfather. I think that's very nice while you always say just never be the agent. I always family girlfriend. I also think I also I mean again, I wanna make it clear. I don't think funny. Ha ha, but funny got cut. I wonder if he would laugh though, because he said he would laugh, but then I have a feeling he wouldn't really like, it's funny. You say that though because answer going to big e to over people seem to still feel weird about taking tied in that early undress. But I feel like in today's NFL you need like a tight like him not only block really well. But he could also catch like, it's a match of nightmare. Like, the new agent of fellows all passing each I need to that. Boy, if they're at all relevant the lions think about that division. Vikings bears Packers all but almost sure to be competitive. If you throw in a fourteen e GATT now, another division known for Dr REEs and tight finishes over the course of a season. The New York Giants play in the NFC east and spaghetti listened. No jive, you you were weren't enamored with the pig. Yeah. It was a not what I wanted is. They were players on the board at six players in the seventeen that I think that we could have come out of the draft, you know, in a better position. And Gettleman from the start said that he wanted the, you know, he liked the Jones he saw them. So that's a franchise qb me. I know he has a connection to ally. And but then you meet them and then. And then we settle. Sky. I you root for it's it's terrific. I will say too, but the one thing again abiding by the no jive policy even here in Nashville. I do think like I kept saying saquon is in his prime. He's a year end his career you decided craft him Gettleman you now then must support that choice by building around that there were offense lineman. They're Montas sweat. There was Josh Allen. You coulda grab you did get the Andre Baker. So that fills one hole in on that defense. I do think though, I mean, Dexter Lawrence fine. I just think that the building really what's the inbetween. Your roster is not is not deep enough that you really need to be developing the next year lie in twenty nineteen cash in on saquon while he still rolling and you have enough building around. I mean, if you would've taken, you know, a tackle. Tackle even that might have made some sense there. But anyway, Daniel Jones, you know, such a nice kid. I hope he hope he is a little tougher than Dave damage is Dave Dave would cry. Like people said mean things when I got drafted and hopefully that'll be water off his bangs Eli two point. Oh, and he lies great shaking off negativity. So I'm sure Dan Jones could too, but hopefully his plays more like paid manning than Eli. But we'll see. All right. Well, let's let's hear from the man himself. Daniel jones. Dave in that don't. Save. First things first. This is great news. I'm really excited for you. And you know, listen, I don't wanna be you know, crass about it. But one of the great things about being in the NFL, look this. You're rich. Look at that man that Jones that's not bad. That's for you. Appreciate it the Commissioner sign that for you later. Okay. I can't promise you that. So what did you think would be did, you know, this was coming? You have some clue from cattlemen and company that hey, don't don't be in the buffet line early on here. I really didn't. You know? I thought I thought our meetings will well, you know, when they were down at Duke, or when when I was in New York, I thought it all well, I thought it connect you with those guys, you know, really, well, but, but I didn't have really idea, you know, I didn't have a lot of expectations going in the night. I just just just happy to be here. But but it couldn't have worked out any better. Did you actually did you think there's a chance I won't get drafted in the first night. And now, I'm here, and I got my nice suit on and everything else. You any of those Nur, you know, some of those infamous shots Aaron Rodgers and breeding and everybody else, right? And we at least. I don't I don't know. I mean, I think that's always a risk coming draft. You never you never know what's going to happen. But I don't know in the mo-. I was just how just thrilled. I wasn't thinking about that too much. I was just just who called you. So coach Shurmur talked Shurmur and Ed tricks operations guy there, and you know, I talked to despite everyone who did you hug. I I think my mom did. Yeah. Yeah. It's not the age, that's bad. When you can't take back because it's not gonna be Christmas. You know, he's not a thanksgiving is. Aged? Those with that check extra large that. Maybe he does deserve an invite have you off at all at any point in the last few months or at any point in your life for that matter off of Eli manning. Gotten to to meet him a couple times when he's been at Duke working out with his guys also at the manning camp that had been down there couple years. So I don't know running into him there and getting to meet him has been it's been awesome. Just kind of watching him watching how he works how he works with his guys was was extremely helpful to be Duke. And I look forward to learning from them in New York more excited about getting drafted by the New York football giants tonight or seeing the avengers later in the week. I don't know. I'm not a big events fan. But even if even if I was I'm not sure beats not not sure giants. That's hard to be. Well, I get. Okay. I'm deanna. What about your interesting? Well, I've never been drafted so rubbed. My rub. My nose in it. You know, like we just met in the media Lee are one the point now that wasn't. I'm more excited about games. If you're there with games. So so listen, it's a big night for you. And I want to introduce you to a new giants fan here any spaghetti just this big moment for doing when he's holding the Lombardi at some point you're gonna look back and say, I met you at your hit your grabbing. You'll be like I don't remember that please go away spaghetti or whatever your name cannot right? Jeez. You know? Catch me guys on my right? Have you spent time in New York City at all? A couple times we played the pinstripe bowl. My my red shirt year. That's twenty fifteen. So that was an awesome experience. It's been a couple of weeks to an internship last summer up in New York with the former football player show. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a, you know, it's it's where everything happens cities with we wouldn't be. I know. Yes, you will immediately. I'm sure if you haven't already been looking at your cellphone, people are gonna be buzzing all about you and everything else are yet. Intrigued by that. Is it something that you are going to as of tonight say I'm never looking at social media. I'm not gonna listen to the radio or anything else. We'll kind of how are you wire in that way? I'm not I'm not a huge social media guy. But you know, I it's part of it you playing the position and being being the quarterback of a football team. Especially in New York, it comes with it. And and I certainly understand that and willing to embrace that. But I think you know with all that stuff. It's important to remember that it starts on the field. And you know, that's that's what's really most important. So if I could if I could give you the gift of making one thing about your gain batter. What is the thing that you feel what would this day jonesing? I get a little bit better at this to be one of the best QB's in the NFL. You know, I think at times I do a better job making the season to to lay the ball throw the ball away. I think coach cut talks about understanding what stopped competing or when the place kind of over with. And and I think I could do that better. Look forward to improve. All right. I you know, what take it or leave it my vices throat. Touchdown passes. And you know, like do and win games to hell you like back sterling shepherd, and I've and have an Ingram's a great guy. Tell him like I'm gonna throw a team. And then like, you get it. And then when other guys try to tackle you don't let him just like don't no way. And then tell him run to the end zone. You know, I don't know be has. But I mean, I think that'd be like, that's you know, that would feel general. Addict. I'm sure you'll cover all that in due time. In the meantime, where you're gonna go out on the town have a good time with the with the family. I'll meet up with them and see what's going on. But yeah, it's been fun of me here in Nashville with them for sure, you know, with the family and everything gets experienced this before. I bet and once again and see I it all comes back to me. And I see like I never gave my parents gift of like me getting the draft in the first round in the NFL says, so so I'm sure they're over the moon for you. Congratulations man and invest wishes to Manhattan appreciate they can't. All right. And let's bring it on home. Here. There's something to what's going on down there and Clemson with Daboh and that great defense and everything else, and they're all jolly fellows and Christian Wilkins, perhaps the jollies of the mall almost killed the Commissioner of the National Football League. After getting drafted by him. Let's hear from Christian Wilkins right now, shall we? I hate to start off on negative note. I'm sure all ready been brought up to you. But you must killed the Commissioner. Yeah. Everyone's them. Yeah. Everyone's about that. But I'm sorry Commissioner I'm looking. And that's very sorry. But you let you live you live to to fourteen overall pick. So I mean, yeah, I was excited. On the two sided. Simple. I guess, you know, I gave them to signal to go up. But he didn't get the memo. I guess I'm not mad. Yeah. I saw right. He was out of his wasn't gonna be very fact, maybe he had jumped it with a work out even worse for. State farm on the ground. Now that I look at this. It's got a little bit of drum major to right because it's got some of the striping took. College number. Everybody knows what that means. Go to the power into. So got the power. By the way, one in one night for for. Oh, it's definitely awesome. It's great. So proud of my guys will we're able to do the night all going into, you know, top seventeen. So it's awesome. Great great. I feel like it's for real. I think this moment in history is kind of going by a little bit too fast. This is the defending champions of college football, you vanquish the juggernauts Bama once and for all like, I mean, I think it's established that you and dabble in the gang down there. His now in a way kind of transcended bam the place to be where fun personalities like you wind up, y'all. Get drafted in the first round awesome. Just the culture everything we we get to that clubs. You know, which is great for like me. The other guys got tonight. We'll make any welcome to better position better. Just because of the thanks. Able to learn that just being around each other. We all challenge each other art show on. Able to do so looking you're steely focus while I don't know. I think with the. Draft may be under attack. Right, right. Once going on just leave. Very much. What are we going to do about the the dolphins logo D? Like, the why the warns you're going to be the who all. Oh, goodness. A nice change a bookstore. And you know, whatever dolphins well scale where I'm gonna look good because the man always makes close close. Remember that already proven? Forty two you're not going to be able to wear that. Unfortunately, that's change positions. I'm going back or some you know, how to catch a exactly or if they put on the back. No matter. Something. I know you're excited. I could tell the joy playing football because you join the game of football to a great news. You're also rich because you're NFL football. Several dawn. Right. That's what what. Maybe those state taxes. 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RTFF 346: Evan's Mock Draft

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RTFF 346: Evan's Mock Draft

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Also, make sure you're always tracking everything that Evan Silva does on social media. His Twitter is at Evan Silva, the podcast network. The RT media Ross Tucker media podcast number at RT podcast personally. I'm at Ross Tucker NFL, Twitter and Instagram. Facebook is Facebook dot com slash Ross Tucker and fell big big day. Evan because we are unveiling on audio your mock draft. For two thousand and nineteen which is huge because you had the best mock draft in the galaxy a year ago, the single best mock draft out there, very very impressive. And so now everybody gets to see the first unveiling of what you've got this year before we get to that though. I wanna make sure everyone is aware of something you've been tweeting about actually Evan which is the new podcast from wondering sports wars where you hear what happens when some of the most elite athletes in the world battle their biggest rivals for the chance to go down in history. As one of the great some of these matchups are awesome Brett farve. I know is the one you've been tweeting about Evan being challenged for a spot by Aaron Rodgers. There's one with Isaiah Thomas and the beef. He had with. Michael Jordan after he wasn't Allen the dream team Raphael and the doll, and Roger Federer, very very cool. And here's the tip. Make sure you listen through to the end of this podcast because there's going to be a clip of sports wars presented by wondering at the end. You can also subscribe to sports wars on apple podcasts Spotify Pandora or. However, you're listening now. All right. Evan. Not a huge surprise number one. You have the Zona cardinals taking Oklahoma quarterback. Kyle murray. Yes. The chalk for sure Colin Murray. I think the cardinals need to avoid falling victim to the sunk cost fallacy. They definitely you know, I think it's possible that they keep Josh Rosen to after drafting Tyler Murray. But here's kind of the definition of the sunk cost fallacy individuals commit the sunk cost fallacy when they continue a behavior or endeavor as a result of previous bleed invested resources, even when it's to their detriment. And I think that look you took the shot on frozen, you know, at number ten overall pick, and but the next year, you wound up with the number one overall pick, and this is a very rare opportunity you don't wanna be drafting at number one overall really ever again. And you know, you're looking at your options you take collar Murray because he's got a higher ceiling than Josh Rosen and. Because he is a better system that for cliff Kingsbury is going to be bringing the air raid offense to Zona. And I think it's it's almost a no brainer. I know that collar Marie is not a clean prospect. But I think it's almost a no brainer. I think that this gives your franchise the best opportunity to dig it itself out of this whole your parents with Christian, Kurt, and Larry FitzGerald and David Johnson an offense of line that you soak bunch of resources into this off season. I think to go with collar Murray at one. Oklahoma quarterback calamari goes number one number two the Niners. You haven't taken Ohio State D N, Nick Bosa. This was not a good pass rushing team last season. They finished with the NFL's eighth fewest sacks. They had thirty. Thirty seven sacks last year. Twelve of them were from one player. Deforest Buckner divorce. Buckner accounted for thirty two percent of the forty Niners. Sax last season and one game in week nine against the raiders. They had like ten sacks or no they had seven sacks. And he was that accounted for twenty percent of their sacks all of last season. So look they went out and got d Ford, and but they still need more. And I think that look when you pair Nick Bosa and d Ford with their interior presences. Eric Armstead, Buckner and Solomon Thomas. You can actually turn. What was a weakness last year into a strength, and that's hard to do. But the forty Niners have the opportunity to do that. I think that'd be really really big for their team. Number three is where you really get interesting here. You've got the giants trading up with the jets a New York trade that most people think they would never ever do and Alabama defensive tackle Quinton Williams going to the giants. Yeah. I don't get that that oh, you can never make a trade between you know, teams that playing the same city. I don't understand that. But but I certainly is kind of out there as a theory. But here's another theory for you. So Dave Gettleman has spent he's overseeing the draft as general manager six times in his career. And these are the number of picks that will first of all you have to understand the giants have twelve draft picks the most in the league this season. That's you know, it's not because they did anything clever. They just traded away. Odell Beckham Damon Harrison Eli apple Brett Jones, and then they spent their third round pick in the supplemental draft last year on Sam Beal either way, they have twelve draft picks this year. And but if you look Dave Gettleman history, he's never had more than seven draft picks in an he's never use. He's never executed more than seven draft picks in a year. He's overseeing six drafts in his career. He's executed five six five five seven and six for an average of five point seven picks per draft. He's never traded down in. In a draft in his career in and around not even like in the sixth or seventh round, but he has traded up a lot. I think he's going to trade up in this traffic. He's I think he doesn't believe in using twelve draft picks like that he's going to probably end up executing somewhere between six and eight draft picks. And I think that he's going to use is some of his later later and stuff he's got three fifth fifth round picks, for example to try to move up the board. In this scenario. He goes after Quentin Williams at number three overall. We know that the jets want trade down. We know. I mean, they have put the numbers of three overall pick up for sale like that's not a secret to anyone and they need drought. Bayer a team that needs. Traffic's they only have six draft picks. They don't have a second round pick. So I think that here the jets would be targeting the giants second round pick. They might not be able to get it. Maybe they would have to settle for the giants later three. And then maybe one of their fives. You know, we we can debate that either way in this mock draft the giants come away with the number three overall pick, and they take one in Williams to be hard Molly upfront with some of the the promising young players that they drafted last year up front in the year before Dowden Tomlinson. So that's what we're going with number three number four. You got the raiders then taking Houston detected at Oliver yet. Just word on the street is at the raiders are super super high on Ed Oliver, I think he jumped right in and he's your three technique defensive tackle day one. He plays the Gino Atkins role in Paul Gunthers defense. Exactly bucks at five LSU linebacker. Devon, white just slide in there for Quanta Alexander exactly two thousand eighteen bucks trophy winner, ease it upgrade, I think on quantum Alexander. And one thing that is really one idea about this player Devon white. That is really I think fueled his rise up the board. He doesn't necessarily play, you know, one of the most valuable positions. Although if you look at guys that play off ball linebacker, and are really at the high end, these guys are huge difference makers. I mean, we Keithly Dion Jones guys like this. And I think that Devon white can be like that. And he's also drawn consistent craze for his leadership skills. So yeah, I think I think it'd be a a real solid pick here for the bucks high floor up. Then you get to number six where the jets traded down and they can take Josh Allen. So they get a guy like people thought they might take it three and pick up an extra draft pick. Exactly know, they they had a deal with Anthony Barr and free agency. But Anthony Barr had a change of heart devere next morning went and re-signed with the Vikings. But I think the Josh Allen is kind of similar player to Anthony Barr, but might have more just pure pass rush upside I mean, he was second in the nation. In sacks this past season. Also, a guy that can drop in into covers like Anthony Barr could but maybe a better pass rusher. And that's what the jets need. I mean, the jets have not had a big time pass rusher on the outside since John Abraham. Number seven Jaguars Florida off after tackled. Joulwan taylor. You see that in a lot of mock drafts. Yeah. Absolutely. And I'm kind of sticking with the chalk here. He jumps right in right. Tackle day one starter replacing Jeremy par now they just have a big gap at the right tackle position right now. The rest of their offense of line looks good on paper. Cam robinson. We'll be back from the ACLU. Andrew norwell will be back from the ankle. Brandon Linder will be back from the knee. They resigned AJ can they plug in play. Jay one Taylor. And you're talking about a big offensive line with. I think a lot of upside we talked about the Jaguars offensive lines. You might take a big leap last year. Unfortunately for the five starters wound up on injured reserve, they're probably gonna have a little bit better fortune from an injury standpoint this year, and I think that adding J one Taylor to completes the front five. Speaking of injuries. You have lions taking Michigan Diene Rashaan Gerry. We know initially last year with his shoulder. And now he in Rappaport reported this morning, it's a labor tear that he can likely play through this season with a harness and then get operated on after the year. Yeah. And I saw that report very this very morning didn't have time to change my mock draft. I might change it before the final mock draft will be submitted on Wednesday night. But right now, you know, my thinking is that he jumps right in and plays left defensive annual moved trae flout you use Trey flowers as you're right defensive end, racial Gerry as your left defensive, and you have some talent on the interior. You know in Detroit right now snacks Harrison. Most prominently also big Sean hand you had a great rookie year. So you're talking about a defensive line that was terrible as recently as a couple years ago, all of a sudden becoming a strength that was my thinking behind the ratio on Gary pick. Yeah. I would be surprised if they just had to deal with the Janta and the shoulder harness slash lawyer. And he only played in seven games. Maybe that's recency biased. But I doubt they wanna go down that road. Again. How about the bills Yelm, taking Alabama offensive lineman Joan Williams who I love. Yeah. Jona Williams is a guy I think is hard to slot. It seems like some people in the NFL think that he's a better fit as an interior player. But I mean, he was a great tackle at Alabama. And I think he would probably play right tackle for buffalo. Unite like the signing of tie in seeking by buffalo. But he's also a guy who's older it was kind of like a journeyman type. I mean, he spent a lot of time like even on a practice squad at age thirty. I'm not sure that he's a guy that although I like the signing. I think they might prefer him as like they're six offense of lineman or they could use him at right guard over Spencer long who wasn't very good for the jets last year got cut, and you're the Bill signed him. So, but I think that you know, Jona Williams will would give them some possibilities that a number of different positions. Ultimately, obviously, if you're if you're using a number nine overall pick on him, he's probably going to be day one starter. And that's what I think he would be. It's just a matter of where you play him. But yeah, I mean, you know, consistent, execute her had a great career. Here. One of the best lineman offense lineman in the nation. I think he's a high floor pick for that number ten Broncos. Get tight end TJ hock insane. Yeah. TJ Hawkins helps them in the run game in the past game. You know, Jeff oilman had some moments last year by we're we're looking upgrade here. Joe flacco has leaned heavily on tight ends throughout his career. You think guys like Dennis Pitta? And I think that TJ Hopkinson gives him a more dynamic version of Dennis pitcher in much better much better blocker. Eleven bangles. Lot of people saying this. You got him pulling the trigger with Dwayne Askins the quarterback from Ohio State. Yeah. It's a new era in Cincinnati new head coach. And I think that they take the shot here on clean Haskins. She falls a little bit in the draft. You know, you look at Andy Dalton's contract, and they very well. Even this scenario may keep him for another year. They probably would doing Haskins only started for one year at Ohio State. And they might put him on the bench to learn for year at least a half a year, but they could drop them into a pretty good situation. I know the Tyler I for Jake green battle injuries recently. But Tyler boy took a big step forward last year. John Ross can't get any worse. So in this scenario, they go with Dwayne Haskins. And he is the future in a if you look at any dogs contract. Whether it's this year or next year just all of his money comes off the books or John even any dead money whatsoever. If they trade or release him so that would be a good salary cap situation for them just too much upside I think from a salary cap standpoint from a roster from team building standpoint to pass on Wayne Haskins at number eleven if he gets there in this in this scenario does Packers at twelve or getting a running hit linebacker Michigan. Linebacker Devin Bush. Yeah, you plug him in right away right next to blakemore Martinez. They lost Jake Ryan to ACL tear and then in free agency to Jacksonville Blake Martinez in a contract year or in Berks is kinda the next man up at inside linebacker for them. He was a third round pick last year. He may become a starter in two thousand. And twenty but Devin Bush becomes the starter in two thousand nineteen at a position where they have. They just have a lot of short in long-term uncertainty. Number thirteen the Texans trade with the Miami Dolphins to get the past protector. They wanted Washington state often to tackle Andre Dillard. I love this. I love this trade and this pick. Yeah. They moved up ten spots up the board and the Texans have two second round picks number fifty four and fifty five. So they do have some amunition to move up. They may have to give up a little bit more than that though. Maybe like a third in twenty twenty but the dolphins should be open for business in terms of teams that wanna trade down. They have a bunch of draft picks stop piled for twenty twenty. But this year, they only have a basic seven pick draft. So they should be looking at to compile more picks in this draft. If they can get one of those fifty four or fifty five from from the Texans. You know, I think they might even be willing to take a little bit of a discount as it like relative to like a draft board or a, you know, the Jimmy Johnson trade chart, or whatever, you know. I think they might be willing to take a little bit of a discount. Like they were willing to pay some of Robert clean salary. They were willing to pay some of Ryan tannehill salary to just get those guys off the books. I think they might be willing to take a discount to some extent on the trade market. And as you mentioned Andre Dillard goes to Houston best pass protector in the draft. You know, played at Washington state, all they do is pass protect their PF college gave Andrei Diller the highest pass blocking grade in the nation as senior, and that's, you know, big sample size because of how much pass blocking he actually did. So yeah, I think a trade that makes a lot of sense for both sides falcons. Get an edge rusher since big B's disappointment, Florida stayed outside linebacker Brian burns. Yeah. Brian burns where the best pure addresses in the draft. You know, a guy that when you watch him play struggles at times with like offensive linemen that are that get physical with him. But I mean, he's an edge bender. He's got. Incredible explosiveness athleticism, and yet he would he would add to the falcons are not far off, man. I mean, the the falcons had a ton of injuries last year, but they are not far off as a team. I have them as a top eight Ross stir right now, but they need more pass rush. And Brian burns would give that to them. Fifteen you got the Redskins pulling the trigger on a quarterback. And it's Missouri quarterback. Drew lock. Yes. Got case keenum, they've got Alex Smith whose career might be over Colt McCoy needed another surgery for his leg. I think that drew lock ends up starting probably by the end of the season on leaks, at least gives them some hope for the future. In Washington hasn't been a lot of hope for the future in Washington for quite some time at least since RG three. Carolina stays close. They want an rusher. They get one in Clemson DeAnne Cleland feral hundred production for Cleveland Farrell. Never ran a forty yard dash before the draft didn't really have like a great excuse either. And I think that has raised some concerns. You know, a guy like that has this much production. That was the ACC defensive player of the year. You know, won the Ted Hendricks award, and you know, all all these different awards. Usually, what would be a guy who will be drafted inside the top ten. I think plays your premium position is a pass rusher. But didn't do all the workouts before the draft. There's some concern about it like is his is his production going to translate to the NFL. But I think that he's a good fit here in Carolina. I think that ultimately he's going to be maybe a a good not great pass rusher. I think he can add a lot to carry out. Carolina needs elp on the edge. They've got Mario Addison. And then not a whole lot else. Seventeen and other quarterback giants Daniel Jones. I think everybody has in their mock. Yeah. Really definitely a chalky pick here. The David cut cliff connection with the Manning's ally. Manning is like actual friends with Daniel Jones. So it would just be like, you know, make for at least theoretically make for a smooth transition to where you know ally. Manning might be like, this is a guy that I'm cool with you know, this is a guy that I'm cool with bring him in. You know, I have no problem teaching him. You know, hang out with them every day. And I think the giants view Daniel Jones is a guy who's got a good head on his shoulders and makes a lot of six makes a lot of sense in a lot of different ways to become ally. Manning successor. Then you get to eighteen the Vikings, take NC state interior linemen Garrett bradberry. This lead an offense just need offensive line elp. I mean, you're talking about a roster that really is lacking nowhere except for one one critical area. But in that one critical area first of all it's a very important area, very important position. But second of all they're just terrible at that at that one position group. So just take the best offense of lineman on the board might even do that at like in three different rounds this year for the Vikings. I mean, just pound the offense of learning Garrett grabber grabber is going to be a study could play center or guard. They could move L frying from center to guard just gives them some options. They just need guys who could block people in Minnesota. Then you get to number nineteen another oh linemen the titans to Cody Ford from Oklahoma. A lot of different ways. I could go here. Go montage sweat who's going to go in a couple of picks. I think that the titans absolutely need more pass rush. They also need a right guard because they lost Josh Klein to divide things in free agency. And Cody four would give them a power player at the right guard position solidify their offensive line. They're pretty set at four of the five positions. But right guard. They have a big hole, and I think Cody Ford would satisfy that. Well, this is interesting at twenty you've got the Steelers taking Olmos wide receiver decay Metcalf. Everybody else has taken rock Yaas in from temple. Yeah. I don't even have route gas in my in my first round. But yeah Cornerbacks. I keep seeing Cornerbacks mocked to the Steelers. I've seen Byron Murphy mock their on Daniel, Jeremiah even had them taken Lonnie Johnson out of Kentucky, I had them going wide receiver here. I mean, you know, you lose Antonio Brown. You're losing a lot on the outside. You know, you've got juju Smith Schuster. He is excellent on the interior James Washington. Didn't didn't show a whole lot? You know as a rookie. He was they were long stretches where he was playing behind. Ryan Switzer, Dante Moncrieff, I think was a sensible edition for them wasn't terribly expensive. As always shown some potentially has had some good moments with good quarterbacks like with Andrew luck. But I think that they still need more. And here they go with decay Metcalf. A big. Vertical receiver, and you know, this is a vertical passing offense. You don't wanna lose that from your offense decay Metcalf can give that to them with Ben Rothlisberger. Who's always he's always had an affinity for big receivers. And really hasn't had a truly big receiver in a while became at gas. Is that? Twenty-one seahawks. Mississippi State Diene Montas, sweat, this feels like a Seahawks move. Yeah. I agree. I also it also makes sense. I think if they trade Frank Clark who people are talking about maybe getting a first round pick for flank. Frank clark. I don't know about that. Maybe they'll get a second round pick for him. But I mean, they're going to need to replace him. Like he's there. He's by far their best pass rusher on the outside and monta sweat. I think has big time potential as outside pass rusher. This to ram four four one at the combine at tuners sixty pounds. Apparently some teams don't have him on their draft board because he has a large an enlarged heart. If you didn't have this medical problem, then I think you'd be in the mix like as high as number six to the giants. But here he slips a little bit in the Seahawks come away with their replacement for Frank Clark. Number twenty two the ravens taken Oklahoma wide receiver marquess Brown. Need a guy who can separate for the Mark Jackson. We need a guy who he can see it. It's there the guys open Markey's Brown can get open. You know, you could talk about his weight. Oh, we want. We could talk about the list. Frank surgery all teams have signed off on or at least the most of the teams have reportedly signed off on marquees Brown's recovery from this foot injuries made a very smooth recovery. She is super dynamic on tape. I mean, I am skeptical in general receivers that way hundred sixty five pounds. But when I watch this guy play it was like this guy is he's the real damn deal t y Hilton slash tyreek hill sort of town. Number twenty three agai really liked Clemson defensive tackle Christian Wilkins. And it's the dolphins taking him after they trade down from thirteen. I'm not sure Evan. This wouldn't have been the guy. They would've taken it thirteen. I agree with that. And I also wanted to know one thing about so football, outsiders did a study recently, and it showed that. College defensive linemen and edge defenders of very predictive metric for them. Hayden winks we've out on the show. Also did showed something similar. Passes defense is kind of secret sauce metric for predicting college to pro success at those positions and Christian Wilkins has the most passes defense of any player in this draft class at Oliver is also up there. But so I'd like to see that from Christian Wilkins just think for a team that is clearly in a bottoming out rebuild phase. They should go with a high four selection here and just a guy who's going to be a very likely building block in. I think that's Christian Wilkins. Number twenty four the raiders get the first corner off the board LSU cornerback ridi Williams. Yeah. Greedy looms washed his game against decay Metcalf. And this was an awesome performance by greedy Williams. I mean, just just lock them up. I mean, including penalties decay Metcalf had fourteen targets in this game. And he caught three for thirty seven yards ingredients was on him for at least half of those targets. I I would say it was about nine to ten including the penalties. I was really really impressed with greedy Williams. You know, I think is the best cornerback in the draft at least best perimeter cornerback. Byron Murphy is really really good as an interior cornerback prospect agreed Williams to be the best perimeter cornerback on a great fit in Oakland playing across from Gary Tonle who took a step forward last year. I think agree to ends will be a big upgrade over Darrell wurley. At twenty five. We have our third Clemson defensive lineman. Go off the board this one to the Philadelphia Eagles. It's Clemson defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence. Who the eagles can put inside along with Fletcher. Cox recently signed me Jackson. Yes. Fletcher Cox is going to be an every down player. I think Maliki Jackson is going to be more of a sub package player. But they lost. A loading NADA. And you know, they in they were hurt by not having Tim Jernigan in. I think Dexter Lawrence kind of has a little bit of a poor Mansa. Loading NADA to him. I mean, just a guy that can move at an in at a very uncommon rate considering how big he is. I mean almost three hundred fifty pounds. So putting that guy on the interior of their defense. You know, I think that he's not necessarily a guy who's going to, you know, get up field and create a ton of Saks or anything like that. But I think that he's going to make life easier on me Jackson and Fletcher Cox, and I think that he's a guy that can play right away. And he's also a guy that despite the fact that he he tested positive for a banned substance. You know, I think the general vibe is that people in the NFL really think he's a good guy. And that he's going to be a leader on the team. As well. So he checks a lot of boxes for Philadelphia. Let's get to another defensive tackle. And it's the Indianapolis Colts. This is an interesting one, Mississippi State, D tackle, Jeffrey Simmons that goes. I don't think I've seen that one anywhere else. Mike Lombardi has called Geoffrey Simmons the best player in the draft. Just purely on tape. Daniel Jeremiah had him as somewhere in the high teens in terms of a prospect. So he is really highly regarded among people like with with NFL history NFL backgrounds NFL connections. He has some off field concerns. He might have to register as a rookie. I think in all likelihood what's going to happen is he he's going to be placed on the P list. And then he's just going to be monkey. He tours ACL January, and he's going to be monitored throughout that initial time period know, the six seven weeks where he's on the reserve PP list. And hey, if he's ready to contribute by week eight nine ten then he'll be brought up the PUP list and could become a candidate contribute late in the season. But I think that with the the eye for talent that Chris Ballard has you know, the colts are not a team. That's in a rush. You know, they're not a team that's in a rush. And I think that they're willing to have some patients, and I think that they're going to see Jeffrey Simmons and think that he's worth the risk at number twenty six. Number twenty seven our first running back off the board and that's raiders taking Josh Jacob traumatic Obama. Yeah. You know, there have been a lot of leaks from the raiders whether some of them may be fictional. Some of them may be true. But there's just been so much talk that they wanted Oliver show much talk that they want Josh Jacobs that I wonder if that is one of the reasons for you that they sent all their scouts away, you know, a couple of days early. I mean, and then there was a debate on whether oh that's common or uncommon. You know, whatever, but they clearly like wanted to get those guys out of the building. And I do wonder if it's because at least partially there were a bunch of leaks. I think that they do want Josh Jacobs. He is a number eight overall player on Daniel Jeremiah's big board number ten twelve overall player on Gil brands big board. You know, I don't think that he belongs in the first round necessarily. But I do think that he is a really good prospect. And I think that the raiders want him, and they have a very big need. I mean, they didn't. Zayn marshawn Lynch and didn't resign. Doug martin. You know, we're talking about. This would be a backfield of Josh Jacobs jailer chard, and maybe a little bit of Chris Warren two thousand nineteen. I really liked this next pick Evan. I'm not sure I've seen this guy in a first round. But I love the way he plays. I love the team fit here. You've got the chargers taking Washington offensive tackle Kayla mcgarry at twenty. Yeah. And you know, that's interesting. I almost put him up way way higher. Maybe to the Texans at number twenty three maybe as high as another or just their teams up here in the teams that meet offense of lime in the Vikings. I think that he might make sense for I definitely want to have him in my first round though. Because I think he's going to go in the first round. And I hope that you're right because in these mock draft contests, you get only if you get guys just right in the first round doesn't matter if you're there are two different ways of scoring. You wanna match up the players with teams. But you also want to get guys in the first round last year got twenty eight out of thirty two picks right in the first round. And that really helped me propel me up the board on. So I'm definitely going to have Kayla mcgarry in my first round. Hopefully, some other people don't have you know, that are in the contest that don't Adam in the first round and here, he's a big upgrade on Sam Tavee at right? Tackle for the chargers. You know that offensive line looked good early in the season for the chargers. They. They weren't playing real well, especially on the right side with Scofield in in Sam heavy and Mike pouncey kind of declined as the year they need to supplement this offensive line. This is a team that's in Kentucky contention. I think he plays right. Tackle on day. One for the bolts. Number twenty nine you got the chiefs taking Washington cornerback. Byron Murphy, just a solid pick for them. I think he's probably a slot corner. And they do have KENDALL fuller. But I also think that he can play outside of Hebrews primarily an outside quarter at Washington candleholders contract is coming up soon too. By the way, this team that has prioritized pass coverage players over pass rusher especially this off season. They they traded D Ford. They moved on from they cut Justin Houston, but they still need to add to their secondary. They all also look at pass rushers here. But I think it Byron Murphy is the best player that can get their hands on twenty nine. Let's get to number thirty the Packers a little surprise at this guy still on the board. But he is and the Packers scoop them up. I alwa- tight end. No offense at thirty. Yeah. I agree. I mean, he could go I think you'd go twenty six to the colts. I think he could go twenty four to the raiders, you know, I think that he could go. I mean, I think he could go a lot earlier than this. I even saw him mocked up at number twelve to the Packers. I can't believe I can't remember who it was by. But with some by somebody that I respect, but yeah, he's a really tough guy to to get your hands on. I think that I'm kind of hedging here because I couldn't see the Packer steak at twelve. And then so if I have a mocked at thirty two the Packers then like, I still get the pick and player selection. Right. But yeah, that's kind of the tactic that I'm taking here with no offense. You know, Jimmy Graham, just just don't think he has a whole lot left right now and Noah fan adds to their group of pass catchers. You've got devante atoms and a lot of young. Young guys with upside who haven't really established themselves yet, but Noah fan adds to that mixing in hopefully can inform a reporter with Aaron Rodgers we've seen how important that trust factor is with Aaron Rodgers. Number thirty one. The Rams who I think probably wanna trade down in recoup. Maybe a second round pick or two if they can if they stay there though, you got them taken Mississippi State guard center. L Jackson Jenkins makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Here at the end of the first round, I'm gonna GM in some guys. This is just like a mock drafts. Tournament standpoint, I'm gonna Jayme in some guys that other people that aren't very commonly seen in mock drafts. So if I can live them as first round picks than I can get an advantage on the field. It could also backfire if Elton Jenkins and this next guy that we're going to discuss don't even go in the first round, it's gonna hurt me. But I mean, it's a wis that it's a risk that I'm willing to take and with Elton Jenkins he has gotten some kind of like low key buzz on being a first round pick. I think he absolutely could be surprise. First rounder. The Rams are desperate for interior offensive line help. I mean, Austin Blythe wasn't very good last year. They lost Rodgers Sappho old in free agency. John Sullivan moved on. You know, they have to replenish, their interior offensive is kinda, you know, not to the extent of the Vikings. But it's kind of similar to divide things in that. I think they need to hit like they need us like two or three draft picks on interior offensive linemen, and they get that bolt. Ball rolling here with Elton Jenkins outta Mississippi State. Final pick in round one. You've got the New England Patriots taking Maryland safety, Darnell savage, who seems to be a guy rising boards as of late. Exactly. I think that he seems to me that he has risen as coaches have gotten more involved in the process. He wasn't even a guy who was really discussed very much early in the process, but it's coaches have gotten involved on the process he has been a guy that has moved up. And I think that they see him as a player that can be a starter at safety and also place. Lock order. Also, be a cornerback in your nickel and dime packages. And with the patriots, you know, they need useful replenishments in their secondary Jason accordion, Devin mccourty of like openly discussed retirement in recent years. Jonathan Jones who played slot corner. For the last year is in a contract year. You know, Jason mccourty, Devon mcchord. You're not getting any younger. They need more talent in the secondary. And darnold savage would give that to them that they have six picks in the top one hundred one picks. So they're really interesting in could we see them finally trade up. They never do that. 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Breaking down CSR's pick in the SB Nation Writers' Mock Draft

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Breaking down CSR's pick in the SB Nation Writers' Mock Draft

"Three. Just. Cute. Welcome to the keep sounding podcasts. Your special SP Dacian writers mock draft addition of the keep signing podcasts. CSR's pick at the sixteenth pick. In the first round Bradley Smith our rate and benevolent dictator made the pick for the Carolina Panthers. So Brad who did you pick with the sixteenth pick in the writers muck? Well, Bryan with the sixteenth pick in the writers. Mock I picked Andrei Delord the offensive tackle from Washington state university. David Braddock told you to pick a pass rusher. Son of a bitch. The warrant any laughed Brian. What do you mean the word I left during any laugh who was left at the pick? Tell me tell me who is left. Okay. Now. I mean, obviously, this is just how our fellow Espy nation writer see the draft going. We're not actually making the decisions for the teams. But Nick Bosa was gone. Josh Allen was gone Quinton. Williams was gone. Ed. Oliver was gone, Brian. Burns was gone. Monta? Sweat was gone. Cleland Farrell was gone. They were all gone in the first fifteen picks. And you know, we do need a defensive lineman. I'm not gonna argue that because that's true. We also need left tackle. And I took delare because I think he's the best value at number sixteen especially when. There's more depth on the defensive line in this draft at least quality depth than there is offense of tackle. You know, there were a couple of guys that I could have taken with this pick instead of the Lord, I could've taken Rashawn Gerry. Could've taken polite. I could've taken chase vintage could've taken Christian Wilkins, Jeffrey Simmons or Dexter Lawrence. But I think those guys, you know, that's a solid list of six players. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them will be available in the second round. When the Panthers pick at number forty seven overall. So. Definitely valid reasoning there Cleland feral, and Rashawn Gary were definitely still on the board though as far as defensive lineman. Go no clearly was taken number fifteen by Washington. Oh, he was. He wasn't the list. You gave me. That's right. Well, for Sean Gary was still on the board then. Yeah. Rashawn Gary was still on the board. And I I thought about taking Rashawn Gary. And I think there's an argument for taking Rashawn Gerry. But I think that Andre Galard fits a need more immediately than Rashawn Gary does. I mean, you could've taken a safety to may not safeties. I could've taken a safety. But every Panthers fan that reads cat scratch to would have been mad at me. Accept me. Few the guy the guy saying we should take a safety early. And I I make you mad all the time. So I'm okay with that. This is a daily occurrence. Yeah. I mean like Daryl Williams can play left tackle though. Stop. What do you mean? They said he can play left tackle. I mean, the organization has come out and said that they think that Taylor Moton or Daryl Williams can play left tackle. So what's what's the problem here, Billy? They they seem like they know best right? Right. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess moten can but it's such a small sample that I wouldn't be reading too much. He looks so much better on the right side. Just imagine Tim looking so good on the right side. But on the left though, some saying well. And that's not how it works. I mean, it's just the he could be left handed. We don't know. I mean could be, but he could also just be more comfortable in the right? The billy. Yeah. My thing is, you know, if you if you have a potential all pro right tackle. And that's what Taylor Moton is he is a potential all pro in your in your outright tackle, why move him. Like why complicate things by shifting the pieces around the board light Daryl Williams, even if he plays right tackle? And taylor. Moton, moose the left Williams only signed for one year like. They're not gonna will. Hopefully, they're not going to give him a five year seventy five million dollar contract. And you know, why move moten over to left when you're going to have to move him back over after Williams gone anyway. So I think that the easiest solution is to get one of the best pass protectors at left tackle in the draft. Or you could play Williams can play left guard. Lift garden left. Tackle are basically the same bright. No. This. This is the troll portion. I apologize of Billy. Go ahead. Explain to us the justification with with Dillard, the lard. However, the hell you pronounce it at a left tackle for the first round. Yeah. So I think he's probably the best passed protecting tackle in the draft. There's questions on some other guys might even be like one of the best offense aligned in period in this class. But you know, he played in at Washington state under Mike Leach in their area offense, which is primarily you'll passing offense that emphasizes wide splits with that means is that the area between each of the offense of tackles is about a year and a half two yards where in a normal Sal offense, like just less than a yard. And the reason for that is to essentially create. Angles. Windows for the quarterback because you're opening up a lot more areas. And so from techniques standpoint, Dillard, has very effective kick slide, which means that since all snap t is very fluid in getting to a spot. He has long arms which allow him to redirect the often to lineman Erskine the address hands when they attempt to execute a pass rush move on him and one of the areas where I was really impressed. Was that even if he does get knocked back a couple yards. He has he uses it's free arm, which is the arm that he he's not really working with uses at free arm to fight back against the defensive tackle when they're trying to use a remover arm over move, and it's sort of like watching a boxer in. How he's able to lever just hands and just completely not allow any further. Penetration was one of the more impressive things watching him. He's like a really athlete player. So I think those combinations. Give him the title of being the best pass blocker this class in. Plus, the some of the antics also favor him pro football focus had him as best pass blocker in the class. MA have study that they came out with that said some of their pass blocking data for prospects is becoming. In some ways indicative of how perform in the pros to. Billy. There's one thing we have to address here. Senior bowl. Oh, you mean that one clip where he got beat like in the fourth quarter of a senior bowl. Yeah. By god. Forget I forget who shared it. But there was some guy who shared a clip of him getting his Astros. Did I hear that Brian? I'm you that convoy as soon as you entered it, so what who who would you to conversation when I entered that's ridiculous. I have knowledge I wish I would have seen him get beat on one rep in practice at the senior bowl. I wouldn't have picked him out of for Rashawn, Gary. If I had that information, it's funny how you can cherry pick somebody's college. Ape and make them look like a bad offense of live nerve bad. Really anything. I mean, it's crazy. It's just it's just not. That's what draft Twitter's like though. Just find the the clips this than suddenly that guy's a borderline fifth round pick. Maybe so. Who the hell knows? But I guess he ask you question. Brian. I wanna add a question. Okay. Now, I told you the players that were gone. I told you who I picked, and I told you who was left if you were in that situation. Now, we could not do this. Because the the riders mock draft is just straight up pick the pick and move on. Would you have traded down? Probably not. Honestly, I mean. It's tough. Because like the way this mock draft fell like all me being the guy who really wants a pass rusher, I wanna safety too. But that's mainly just because I wrote a piece about how they should pick a safety with the first second pick. And I just wanna be right. But with the way, this mock draft fell there weren't really any other rushers that were worth the pick aside from maybe Rashawn, Gary. And if you're down you're essentially banking on that one of those pixes, not Dillard or showing Gary. So if you trade down and pick up one another third round picks Renault Marty's not is hit or miss with. Anyway, you might not get one of those two prospects out of it. And then you have to settle on, you know, drafting a safety maybe overdraft in one or a corner or a wide receiver like Metcalf, for example. And that point where's the value? I mean, I I understand. The argument for trading down. But literally every team can make an argument trade down because you just acquire extra draft picks. The problem is with teams Carolina. They have so many needs that it doesn't make sense to continue to go down as far as quality goes. And that for the first I don't know maybe ten fifteen twenty picks. That's all like just the highest quality player you can draft. I mean, theoretically, anyway, you know, there's going to be those teams that trade up to go draft guy who doesn't do shit. But still like you. It's your throwing darts at a dartboard hoping that you hit a bullseye, essentially. So the smaller you have the less likely, you're gonna hit the bullseye. You know what I mean? Yeah. What what do you think Billy? I guess my opinion is that what Brian says accurate, but at the same time. If you have more opportunities than you're giving yourself more opportunities. Also, find better players that offer valid that is I downplay that at all for sure because I just think like even like breads has said so many times of the draft is like crap shoot in it is. So if you give yourself more opportunity with more picks than you're giving yourself, you know, you kinda lessening the risk of attempting to find players can replace what you have on the roster or just fill your holes. My. My only counterpoint to that is an obviously the Cleveland Browns are cursed franchise, but Cleveland Browns are good example over the years like they they have the opportunities to take guys like Carson Wentz Jared Goff when they needed him like, but. I'm not even sure like. I like that may not be good example. I'm just saying like, no, I will technically they didn't have the didn't have a chance to get golf because they're picking second in that draft golf number one overall. But I will say that they did the chance for whence. But at the same time like. Despite trading back. I really don't think Carson Wentz would be this good. If you lead on that Cleveland team into those sixteen right? Played through Hugh Jackson, dude. Like, just the I I wasn't. I wasn't talking about that specific situation like how that would work out. I'm just saying like when you're a team that has a lot of needs. Does it really make sense to? I get it like take more shots, obviously. But like when you have the opportunity to take a guy where you have done your scouting you've done you've done everything that you possibly can. And you you feel he's going to fill that need. And obviously in the draft you could run into the guy who ends up being complete bus. But at the same time like hairline needs an offense attack. Tackle Carolina needs a defensive lineman of some kind to rush the passer. So why would you risk moving back? Not getting that guy when you're in this position when they have a quarterback in. They have a great some great pieces on the offense and defense like why not just try and build that up with the best value? You can and no I I agree with that team. Like, hey, give we'll give you a first round pick to trade up eight spots next year. Yeah. Take that. Absolutely. The like moving back for another third round pick where mardi Harney's hitter. Miss like, I don't know. I'm just we'll have not everyone will know what you're saying. And I get it. Like, yes, Honey has not been good in the draft like after the first round although last year kind of goes against philosophy because it looks like Jackson, Ian Thomas look like they'll be quality contributors. Anyway, that's my point my point is if he's like really that bad that wanna give him more pigs to see if he could potentially like find a hidden gem. I can see that. I'm like, I'm not an I'm not against trading down later on if it's like a Brian Bernard Dillard on the board than or even like a monta sweat than. Yeah. Like, you take one of those players. I'm not saying like by like. Means trade down. You don't wanna make your attention snow like that? Like, I'm reading some teams like the jets in the lines. Like they're coming out. I've saw like Albert Breyer in Peter King in there. Monday morning, call they said that those teams are desperate to trade down that just you lose all your lovers in that situation. So we haven't heard one way or the other which way they lean which is a good thing because you wanna kinda keep jer Intel close to the vest that way control our interests, like no one, I repeat no one knew that the saints would treat up all the way to fourteen with the Packer last year and let alone give up a first round pick. So if a situation like that arises in yet, you just trade back can you kind of let the draft fault. You that way? Yeah. If if it if it's like a draft pick like earth, excuse me draft trade like that. Hell, yeah. Absolutely. You get an additional first round pick out of it the following year. Definitely go for it for sure I just don't see where Carol like where Carolina is positioned in the draft where they could do that and get that kind of lion share trait. I mean, granted that's unpredictable. I mean, none of us would have said, oh, the saints are gonna trade up and give a first round pick up last year for Harold land. Like, nobody nobody thought that. So I get it like that in that situation. I'm obviously going to be like, yeah, let's trade down. Definitely do it hundred percent because you're just building up the future. And with Cam Newton potentially not being with the team in two years. We we can't really rule that out at this point like you want to build up as much capital as you can down the line. Plus, it's just more more places where you can replace a high level high. Paid starter. Like K want short, for example with the first round pick. So I'm not going to ever be opposed to a trade like that. But trays where they get another third row for a team move up four picks. I mean with the current situation there in especially with the way, I I know that this this team is going to be all about winning right now because mardi Harney and Ron Rivera. Are basically looking at this being their last year, if they don't do some so in my mind with that in mind, I wouldn't think they're going to trade down. Everybody to tell chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge half. My friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred up associates six years since Vert has been around, but you'll need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else who listen to podcasts. Check it out. Listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The m a hour each Monday, we speak with the top athletes of MA from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. I mean, we'll see like I said if burns Dillard, and sweat, those guys are gone. I think they put especially with. The owner coming out in speaking about analytics in. You know, you're hearing comments from the head coach and the GM that also. Go to that point that they're pulling a lot of Alex. I think one of the biggest like. When the firstly research studies that was done especially with the draft as far as Olympics are concerned was you know, in regards to that the draft is not inexact science eight allow the really good teams smart teams like the patriots. The eagles ravens. Even the Seahawks like they believe in volume when it comes to the draft, and you wanna have as many picks as possible. So you can throw more darks more. Like, we've already said, I think like if you're trading up, you're really putting yourself in a bad position. Or if you just are dead set on taking a player, even if your player that you wanted us gone. I just I feel like you're limiting yourself. I think I like Dave said that they were not in any way get a trade down from the second pick of the draft that just like such a arrogant mindset because. Yeah, you can be confident you're scouting abilities. But the same time like it's also. Kind of more humbling to realize that no one is perfect at this. Right. Yes. Definitely not an exact science for sure. Was I gonna say. I think in the sense of trading down when? The board doesn't really fall the way you want it to make sense in my mind is just a matter of like what value do you have at that pick. And currently like the only reason I can see Carolina's writing down would be for a quarterback like a team jumps up to grab a quarterback as they're afraid of other teams gonna take that point. You know, could probably out hundred percent yet will in our mind graph that we did. There are no players that are really worth anyone from seventeen to thirty two. There's nobody worth trading up right for you know, all the good players are gone. Like, I don't see anybody. Trading up for Rashawn Gerry. I don't see anybody trading up for chase benefits. I don't see anybody. Trading up for Christian. Wilkins are polite or somebody like that. I just I don't see. I don't see. I don't think it's possible that the Panthers are going to even be able to trade down even if they wanted to unless they're gonna try down to like twenty. Yeah. And I think that a player like Dillard would be someone that team would trade up for two. Yeah. In case. Carolina's just pick him. However, there is one thing I want to bring up as far as trade ups go that Billy mentioned as far as so the Panthers traded up for Daryl Williams traded up for Devon punches giving up picks. So Devon punches. No along with team. Daryl Williams is probably with team for another year that they gave up those picks, which we're gonna be extra players. And players. They took are not going to be with team anymore for the most part. I mean, William is not a one year prove it deal. But he was basically gone if any team had had, you know, give him what market value would have been. So I get I get what Billy sang with that. Like. Printing up may not be a good idea. Because. A good idea in my your building. I I'm I feel like the only time that makes sense when you're going for a quarterback because that's the kind of player that changes your franchises direct ya. I agree. I agree with that. And I I wanna be clear. Yeah. If you try to get somebody like Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. That works out, Sean or does Shawn Watson or something like that. But most of the time if a guy falls out of the top ten and he's a quarterback or an edge rusher. He fell out of the top ten for a reason. It's very extraordinarily rare for the top ten in the NFL draft to not need either a quarterback or an edge rusher. Because teams that pick in the top ten or teams that lose and teams lose in the NFL because they either do not have a quarterback or do not have a pass rush. And if you're a a prime player at either. Edge or quarterback? And you don't get picked in the top ten. There's a reason for that. Most of the time. Right. I agree and let let's we don't need to rehash Marty Harney's history of trading up. We don't have time to do that. I don't think Brian has the wherewithal to deal with it. I. God. Now. Well, Billy, let me ask you this since you're you're our draft expert guru. How would you grade this pick? Delays on. Yeah. Based on the board and based on what I could have done. I could have taken Gary I could have taken polite or benefit or Wilkins. Or a safety or safety y'all give it I would give it in a. Okay. Well, that's nice. I don't think plight is could be drafted within the first three row now after his combine I would be surprised if he end don't get me wrong. I still really really like his take. I think team is going to find him in the third round and steal him. Yeah. I agree. I think that's where he goes alternately. I wouldn't be I wouldn't mind Carolina being that team. I just I'm not sure. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, like honestly with the trolling aside. I mean respond Gary seems like he's more of a like Hickam inside more often than not type guy. So like at that point maybe Bank on the defensive lineman. You have and. Let it go where with the offensive line. You know, you're protecting Cam cans, obviously. Been very good when he's had an offense of line. It's even semi competent. So being for fuck sake is twenty fifteen season. He had Mike lower left tackle, Mike remers at right? So if you can find day one starter left tackle. I can't really complain. I just worry about the defense. But maybe. Yeah. Full disclosure, full disclosure. I when when I started looking at players and was preparing to make my pick. I was fully set on taking Brian burns. Because I think that Ron Rivera wants Brian burns because he can play three four linebacker and he can also play four three defensive end. I think he's the kind of defensive end that Ron wants because you know, a lot of Panthers fans have seen it. But for those who have the Panthers are going to run a lot of three four next year a lot we're not going to switch directly to it. Like, we're still going to have four three looks. But we're going to run a lot of different fronts and fate Ron want. Somebody like burns who can play multiple spots. But he was already taken my next idea was to take Cleland Farrell because I think he's going to be a good defensive into. But he was taken one pick before us. The Washington took him at fifteen so I was pretty much shoehorned into taking a left tackle. And so I picked the best one. Because I personally think defensive end is a bigger need than offense tackle because like we talked about at the beginning of the show. We can move Taylor Moton to left alkyl like if we have to we can do that. I I don't think we should. But we can you know, right now, our our pass rush is Bruce Irvin. Mario Addison EFI Oba and. Markey's Hanes like that's just not good enough. Unless firm Butler makes a huge jump. Yeah. Unless. Yeah. He's not an address your and K rush to quarterback from the inside. But that's that's what I mean. Like, I didn't mean he's an Ed rush right meant from the sense of like if you got Kaitlyn short, and you have Vernon Butler making a huge jump as a pass rusher may be it's less of a problem, but we can't Bank on that right now. And we haven't really had any indication that that'll happen though. That's where I'm at like, I'm just not. I just don't have faith in Dante repo and Vernon Butler being enough on the inside alongside Kate one. Short to make the pass rush happened with the pieces they have that's that's why I've been like a big advocate of edge rusher. And like you said the draft didn't fall that way. I'm hoping it doesn't. But if it does they may have to try and go into the second third round looking for that peace, and that's scary. But they may have to. I agree. Yeah. Side from that. Maybe like Macy's Adderley or someone like that maybe in the first round, but it's not gonna draft to safety in the first round. You don't know this Brad? I made a very good good case for it. Billy disagrees with it. But in the round a safety might not be a bad thing som- sane ally. I never I would be said depending on what safety it is. I'm thinking like. Adderley maybe like Thornhill if they decide to go with this whole like strong safety at both positions thing. But will I think or hills top twenty players of they took him sixteen thrilled? I'm not sure I'm not sure how much interest they've shown. Interesting. Though, a safety still could be in the cards. I don't want. I don't want to like, you know. I don't wanna conclude them since I'm talking this gospel. Billy. But yeah. So Andre Dillard was our pick. And quite frankly, after the scuffing, I can't necessarily oppose it because you give Carolina a pretty good top to bottom offense of li-, minus, you know, maybe left guard being question, Mark. So. And he picked that much. It was against everything I've wanted, but we'll see. So we can't always get what you want. Yeah. I'm aware. Brad. I work for you. So that's right. Don't forget it. Any lasting things. We wanna bring up as far as Dillard goes Billy L start with you. Yeah. I mean. Expect to go look in the top time. Maybe even top twelve. So always reprise if he's still on the board in obvious price of I think the two guys that are probably box to go before us off into alignment would be Joan limbs. And Andre Dillard, JoAnn Taylor seems like a medical like issue, which I was reading listening to some other radio. I'm not sure which Tony, paulie. And he said that he slipping downpours. But anyway, he's right tackle. So that should be of interest to us, regardless. Yeah. I mean, if Dillard in faultless than it would be a very good selection, potentially. But I would assume that a guy like burns or sled if either of those two on the board that I think they should go dark Shen. Well, we have our mardi Herni picture with Andre Dillard. So he's there. I have a feeling it's gonna just happen because we had last year with DJ more north Turner in a picture. So. Forecasting the future. Brad, any lasting thoughts. Anything else? You wanna address here? Yeah. Two things one. I want to basically, quote, unquote, reach week what Billy just said because I agree with all of it. So just rewind twenty seconds or whatever and listen to it again. And pretend I said it. Because I agree. I. Yeah. Okay. Number two, check out the SPN writers mock draft we picked sixteenth. So there are fifteen picks head of us. You can go back in on espionage. And I will also be sharing this on cat scratch. Your whenever our pick is announced whenever we you know, post right up for it. We'll have all that there. They'll be links to the other picks. We'll have a whole big display of it. And if you follow along on us be nation in NFL you can follow. The mocking the draft who is actually posting everything together. I keep up with it there. You can also keep up with it on Twitter so follow along and see what the teams do after us. Oh, yeah. Definitely follow the cat scratch reasonable as well, which it is at cat scratch reader, minus the e at the very end for our app before our, but yeah, we'll have more draft coverage for you coming up with the draft rapidly approaching the end of April. So hopefully Diller will be the pick. If not we'll see what the hell happened. I mean is the draft. It's the best time of the year. My right. So. For all of us here at the keep sounding cod casts Brian joined by Brad, and Billy, and we will keep talking about the draft until it. Netflix happens, and we're all disappointed by the ticks. See you guys later. Football. For the touchdown. Took it in. Thanks for the sick. Jonathan Stewart that he's in for a touchdown. That's. Gets a road win in New England. Monim Spencer home by name is Jason. My name is Ryan nanny, we combine. We form the shutdown. Keep telling you novel. 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Phinsider Daily: Interview with Erick Trader, longtime Dolphins training camp attendee

The Phinsider

23:02 min | 2 years ago

Phinsider Daily: Interview with Erick Trader, longtime Dolphins training camp attendee

"And insider failing even your finger at Middle Vive wagon and your children and then the bird completes you interview Eric Reader on twitter. He's been my eyes and ears that intriguing Eastman everything he's been thinking damn they're welcome back to finsider daily. Friday edition way to get started through Liyan Winna bring bring Eric Trader on he's been at Miami Dolphins Training Camp when I was talking Eric about coming on the show is on the road and he's had senders similar in eating a bowl of cereal right next to me and I know Florida's really known for its bizarre. Stop someone from Cleveland. <unk> seems made up but I just want you to share any south. Florida driving story when you have the audience. Thanks for having me on Sutton. It's a pleasure to be with. Ya Yes <hes> I will for on my native Floridians stipulate that like sixty five percent of our drivers come from somewhere else so it's not always us but you you know like I said I saw someone eating cereal driving down a training camp the other day. I've watched a guy get into a verbal argument. <hes> between two lanes with an undercover cop on the highway and immediately pulled over after the fact <hes> you know a girl with her foot completely kicked out the driver's side window with her her head below the steering wheel driving around. I don't know how to it man I I don't. I don't understand that. Let's get any you have how many training <unk> and your your life's man <hes>. This'll probably be my like twenty third year. Go to these training camps or newer saints okay so here's what I want to gather from review with. This new coaching sat coming in one of the things that I really anticipated was the way the coaching staffs just conducted practice as you know the tempo <hes> what's how how will did it look so I'm just curious compared this country's after some some of the previous ones and just kinda. Let us know what's your sense. Is there anything unique about away. This coaching staff approaches practice. I you know I will say that T._N._T.. Wall you know Kinda holding people accountable mid practice. I think that's a good idea you know it. Kinda keeps people in that mindset of not wanting to run over there and have to in this hot Florida Sun cap this wallman run right back and have to go back to practicing <hes>. I will say that there are times where I've felt. It's a little bit sloppier than previous regimes but you give them the benefit of the doubt. This is their first training camp running together. They're trying instill install these new systems in sometimes you see guys where you know. Coaches are having to pull him out because they just don't know whether it's supposed to be in the next man up is running. They are if he knows what he's supposed to be. <hes> you know. I I kind of translate that into a little bit of that early season once we get into the regular season maybe a little bit of Muslims start while they're still trying to implement these new defensive and offensive systems. I gotcha so when you when you're talking slobby dislike. It's not like the the drops that you've seen and stuff like that but have have you seen an emphasis on teaching because what we've kind of been told US fire is that coaching staff was really was. GonNa Approach training camp at fledged Confucius move so have you couldn't notice more teaching going on compared to gaze this dry. I will say yes and I will say that it's not just coaches. I've seen seen a lot more of the veteran players you know doing that little heyman you know when you're doing that you know take this step and it's easier you know the kind of mentor to the younger guys you know. I'm starting to see a little bit more of that like accountability for these veterans to pass on that knowledge for some of these younger guys as well well as coaches walking up to guys breaking down what they wanted to do and really just kind of walking them through through the series of planes or the series of aw exercise expect them to do so. Let's stick with the coaches and let's go to what many would argue the number one storyline thus far and that's what happened what align coach and just the offensive line in general. What's there's been some position changes so so. Have you noticed a difference from the beginning to present day where you can kind of feel a tangible difference. I feel like they're starting to gel a little better and it looks like maybe they found their right. A combination of guys I think with the Calhoun and a dealer there seems to be a little bit more chemistry than say last week last Thursday. You Know Day one where it just kind of. Maybe everybody's still trying to feel each other out. <hes> you know it definitely feels like today when you're going into these eleven on eleven drills you know these running backs have the holes. They know I know where they're supposed to be going. There are those cutback lanes and I will say that there was definitely a marked difference from start of camp to to today so do you think anything has to do with the fact that discussion sap is emphasized conditioning image the T._N._t.. Not Wall earlier you think because it's better conditioning that were starting to make more ground rounds on entrance way no as of Native Floridian. I loved that Florida Sun. It's our home field advantage. You know I want to see these guys sweated out here. In August September really kind of acclimating themselves especially for those new guys that maybe came from colder areas is colder schools. <hes> you know that truly is a homefield advantage that needs to be taken seriously and this is one of the first time I've seen seen a regime has been guys running sprints you know at the end the practice in a really hammering home that you know we are going to be well conditioned team. You know my <hes> high school soccer coach once told us we might not be the best team on the field or we to be the best condition one and it kind of feels like that's kind of like a similar mentality analogy. Now we might not have the best overall players but you know we'd be able to run in the fourth quarter when your guests that any good point <music> but amy trade evil genius that have the glaring Sun lays on the side behind a treat as Babar was behind that brain trust so that's kind of just look big picture as at the dolphins roster. It'd be a position group that you think I think is pretty easy to said. This is how it's going to be in. What's the group where you think it is and why do I think that third running back spot right? Now is kind of a wide open competition. They've really been given lots of guys looks. I've seen flashes from more Walton a gaskin <hes> the other kid <hes> layered <hes>. They're all getting looks in different spots but you know I really beyond Kenyan Drake and Kayla Balaj. You know it's kind of a question market. I haven't seen anything in the you know five or six practices. I've been to that really shows if there's any preference from this coaching staff or who's going the third guy and how what's a pretty easy group for earthly easy battle that you think is GonNa is already Eddie Kinda done. I you know I think there's a it's hard to settle because I feel like there's a lot of fringe positions missions within each group that are still up in the air and are open to you know Kinda playing into this. This best man plays mentality. You know there are guys that are getting looks that we might not even look twice at that are actually producing the kid be got from the CFL AGGRAVA- on <hes> he's get a lot of books and he's been making a lot of place you know that's one of those guys were out have been like Yeah Kiko Rake. Juan Jerome that you're starting linebackers linebackers but it looks to be that they're they're high on this kid to <hes> you know same thing with wide receiver you know there's guys that you know are fighting for their lives and it's a deep group. You know it's it's really hard to predict who's GonNa finally be that you know that final five or six depending on how many they wanNA carry in one position position I was particularly concerned about coming into the year was the the second corner position. I've actually heard some things about Eric rose. Play play that I wanted to get your your thoughts on just his your your general impressions again this Ham Safar so with corners. I'm always you know if I'm not cursing your name than you must be doing something right and I haven't had to look over at rose direction and check out my roster mister car to be like who's that WHO's number what you know whatever is number is show it not having to to curse him in training camp is a good sign nine. You know that position. It's one of those unsung positions when the ball doesn't come your way. I can't imagine Floridians costs during training. <unk> seem very unbecoming Tabio so I'm going. I'm going to give real shoutouts names. I just want you to give us kind of your your beliefs on this player. Thus far what you've seen in in a Solomona throughout the first name that <unk> that not much is going to deter me from increasing expectations through this person Bobby List prize up her good things about devante harder so far I went out there. What do you think so far listen <hes> like I said you know this is twenty plus years a camps for me? <hes> this is what the fourth camp that we've seen. He does not say Parker. He always pulls me in training camp at the regular season comes around. Can't stay healthy. I don't get it you know I just he's out there and he's making these leaping grabs in training camp had one today at the corner corner and you're like yes. That's that's the guy who drafted and then you get to these these game situations at its lazy routes you know instead of making a sharp cut around the edge and you're just like where's the guy that I saw that. Was You know ten feet. The air with a one hated grass. I know you're killing me seriously. There's another day Charles hairs. Rethink yeah you mean the Jordan yes. I haven't heard much of his name in him as far. I don't know whether to take that as is a good thing or a bad thing. So what are your <hes> <unk> man when you get when you get blocked out by Mike Ezekie you know even if it's practice. I mean what does that say. What does that say about. You know offense to Mike you know but we all know what is blocking ability is more realistic about it. You know he just got blanked and it's just you know you're re years in the N._F._l.. I figure that a tight students should stand you up as a starting defensive end in the N._F._l.. So if we take that at face value and that's the way that it's going to continue to be had you seen some players from the pass rush Stan wing kind of emerge even be in a position to take turtles. Here's John. You know this is actually been one of my biggest question. Marks this position grip coming into camp. You know so I've been kind of closely watching to see who can step up. Is You know it's so hard. It's so hard to do because there's all the would be sacks that are get pulled off. You know they let the quarterback throw. There's definitely been some guys that have gotten closed. I think tank carradine already has had a pretty solid training camp looks. He looks physically great in. I'm hoping that he kinda turns turns it on here. <hes> I know Jerome. The road has been getting looks and he's flashed. I just don't know how much he WANNA. Put Him on the edge where you want his ball skills in that second level you know guarding Iran acts guarding those tight ends so could you ask him to consistently rush the passer. <hes> you know. I think that create we'll see Christian Wilkins out there. I think they'll give him. Miss shot on the edge especially. If you want to say you know Vincent Taylor Divide God shall are run up the middle with you and you can put maybe carrying hurting and Wilkins on the edges but you know we don't. We also don't know what defense they WANNA run. You know we're GonNa see the hybrid fronts. We're GONNA see the four threes thirty four's so you know it's GonNa be. It's GonNa be interesting to see how they kind of. I think I think what they're doing is masking their deficiencies that position as well as they can. Yeah totally have you seen them. Just come out in a in a wide variety of defensive formations hasn't been fairly cookie cutter. I thirty they've come out. They've stack the line. They've lined up linebackers on these on the outside of the D._M.'s. You know it seems like they're trying to give their quarterbacks. Different looks at it does seem like they're trying signed to mix up some of their fronts but nothing crazy exotic head. It seems like maybe it's a little bit more. Not I'm not letting standpoint just getting linebackers out to the line of scrimmage in either disguising what they're doing either coming up to the line of scrimmage drop back or I don't think they're gonNA give away too much in terms of the crazy stunts and exotic blitzes but it does seem like they are kind of programming linebackers to get more comfortable playing Appalachian scrimmage. Would you say that's accurate. I would definitely say that's accurate. <hes> there was actually a played today where the you know the linebackers. Yo pre-snap showed a blitz based on one of Josh Rosen's wraps and you know he actually took too long the Lego and he got a delay a game but it was nice to see that you know the defense didn't just line up with linebackers a line you know they they made that adjustment and showed a different front kind of as the snap count was going to confuse him and it did you you know. I mean it was pretty clear that he wasn't sure what he was seeing. It caused the penalty and I like seeing things like that. I think that's something that Matt Burke. Maybe a little bit too shy shot to the defensives in Miami have been fairly boring recently so as going to be nice at least be on the frontier wants here of how to play new modernize defense in the N._F._l.. Let's go back. Let's go ahead. It's a little sad that the best defense we had was probably about the wildcats. He's in two thousand eight. The last time we really had a great defense is that it might Nolan defense. I believe that will is and then Dan headed came in the next year in Dan had constantly had balls the size of B._B.'s. You wouldn't pull the trigger trigger when he needed to. Let's go to our first rounder since he's been moving around the defensive line a little bit. What's just been your takeaways from Christian. Christian will scam so far is strong at the point of attack. You definitely see what an athlete he is. You see the high effort. You know he's not walking in that year. I'm a first round draft. Pick you know I don't have to come out here and put in high effort. You know he's definitely allege guy. You know I mean we've. We've all seen these reports. He's driving his girlfriend's car. He's not even spend money. It seems like a very <hes> reserved quiet guy so it seems like he's very focused focused on his job and being the best he can be you know he comes from a championship program so he knows what it takes to win and yet you definitely see that level of effort from them at that interview him at the N._F._l.. Combine and has stories amazing. You don't hear many college football players they get to grease as while they're in college used able to do that at three and a half years so just an incredibly focused young man I think we struck gold there a few more questions for you area and by the way for everybody listen this remind you I'm talking to Erik Trader Longtime Dolphin Span. Dan Has Been Training Camp like twenty three or so straight years and he's been my eyes and ears for the two thousand Nineteen Dalton's training here under the radar player that maybe not anybody's talking very much about that using has a real chance sticking on his team. <hes> you know one guy that I really like and I know that I've seen a little bit of chatter about him but <hes> <hes> Jones Smith the a left tackle. There's been running with second team. I mean you WanNa talk about the little things you look for on a guy that tried to fight for a roster spot hustle. You know just high effort. Always you know I in the group always close to the coaches in that's that's the kind of guy that I see that puts in the day day to day effort. That impresses coaches more than the high. The high effort flashy plays Eric. I'M NOT GONNA ask you. <music> win. Loss record boring conversation. He's just as it's not as it's not me. I do WanNa gather though what what are your expectations for this team in two thousand eighteen in two thousand eighteen. I very much see this team. I'm gaining the familiarity with the system so that with all the draft picks they have in twenty twenty they they can bring in these new guys and basically plug them into the system. That's already kind of self sufficient. Everybody knows what they're doing. So you just kind of bringing these guys in the veterans earns. Bring them up to speed and you know I. I know some people are saying flora's ones playing to win. I get it you know every coach wants to win but but you know I think that the the lack of depth that some of the most important positions on both lines you know is just GonNa end up being an Achilles heel for us in. I don't think that will be able to consistently rush the passer. I don't know how we'll be able to consistently run the football and that's fine as long as it's we're working towards something you know. Injuries are the ultimate grim reaper for N._F._l.. Team so it's GonNa be a rule that Isis. You're like it is any other N._F._l.. Season Season Eric thank you so much for spending some time with me tonight. Watch out for anybody eating frosted flakes next to you again if the training camp safely shakily and keep reporting stuff to appreciate our thanks I hey everybody stop winter doing follow this man. Air Trader is at Blade <music> orange twitter and how good we can. Everybody be safe inside radio part of the insider DOT COM and the S._p._C._A.. Should network fake the ball. Go ahead no pain in the on the ground. We're always in control and when you think my any your goal uh-huh uh-huh the by any has the greatest wealthy from political ever seen weird

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LOU Recap: Another Disappointing 35-Point Win

All Into Clemson Football Podcast

33:56 min | 1 year ago

LOU Recap: Another Disappointing 35-Point Win

"This episode of the all in Clemson Tigers podcast is brought to you by anchor the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain anchor to you. First of all, it's free your creative tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer anchor will even distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcasts and many other podcasts plan forms. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast in one place download the free anchor app now or go to Anchor Faith FM to get started. This is the old and Clemson Tigers podcast thoughts on official podcast of the Clemson Tigers. What is up? Everybody welcomed into the all in Clemson Tigers podcast views as always. I'm here with Carter Hughes. We're year to recap the recently-ended Louisville game this past weekend and we're going to start in the most obvious place the embarrassing punch thrown over the weekend when you played for the Tigers, you're expected to live up to the high standards set by Dabo Swinney and this Clemson program, which is why today everyone is talking about the embarrassing day from one Clemson player in particular in that player. Of course, it's Christian Wilkins. I mean, how pitiful is it the throw a punch on a second play the game in to get thrown out your team needs you the Dolphins the embarrassing pitiful awful dolphin absolutely need you their best defensive player and you let the whole team down being bearish Christian be in Bear. Hello Christian who you're talking about right now. Asking you talking about Andrew Booth who you're talking about ex-tigers player. We don't care about him anymore. You may not but I do. Well, there are a couple of punches thrown I'll give you that what are the odds of that happening in the same weekend? Pretty good last weekend. What are the odds of people even know what we're talking about? Probably not if you're wondering orphans play. Yeah, that's a good question. You already heard Christian Wilkins got thrown out of the game because he threw a punch against a bills player, idiot and them and obviously the the punch that people are talking about our is the Andrew Booth punch that he threw against the Louisville player and that brings us to the real discussion that we should be having is why the heck as a football player. Do you decide to punch another player in the face mask? I think we go through this every time when there's a fight that breaks out like your eyes, I think it's gotta hurt your hand off more than the guy's helmet. Yeah, and it's only natural. I guess too like when you're upset at someone to want. I mean, I've never really felt this before but to punch someone in the face you want to punch them in the face. It just happens. When you're on the football field the face of that person that you're angry at is covered by a mask of metal. Geez, it was good. He got some moves he pinned him down and down for that was like a n m a is a most obvious thing ever. I like how he got what he wasn't even said. He was rejected. He destroyed straight to law. Yeah, like, you know, I mean, obviously he was worth it for him. That's right. I will give him a good shoeing out and then he left the field before it was even announced. Yeah that was you know, in all serious. Now that seriousness though, excuse me, that was a bit embarrassing and has been yeah, that's funny as it was it did cost Clemson and at that point they weren't a they weren't necessarily going to win that game. They were up by fifteen points, but he really cost his team and Davao made him ride the bus back home instead of flying back with the team. The rest of y'all was a bust mostly likes to say well She's on the team next week. Well, he's going to be suspended for the first half only the first half. Yeah, the paper in CAA should be the full full game. Cuz that had took place in the second half dead. Well let you know who cares my understanding was was that it is the first half but we'll let you know for sure that all right. Let's move on to the rest of the game Clemson played Louis this weekend in case you hadn't gathered that so far and they won the game 45 to 10. Ye Clemson, but why am I having to this discussion week after week? They are not correcting anything. Yeah, they didn't they they did correct last week. They looked good last week this week. They went back to normal. Yes. I think that's all expecting them to be over the hunt by now certainly at this point in the season. We expected the offense to be humming the defense which is what the defense is doing. We expecting them to be dominant. And especially after last game against against excuse me against FSU where they look like. They got everything in order and it felt like they were finally going to start taking care of business like we expected this Clemson seemed just to do yeah and then they kind of revert back to what we've been seeing throughout the season and I think this is probably the most concerned. I've been home all season which again it just it's this weird dichotomy of you beat a team by 35 points and you're still concerned because they haven't played anyone good month and I'm afraid that the issue right now is that the margin of error is so wide that no matter the mistakes no matter the interceptions no matter the muffed punch that could have turned into a touchdown no matter the penalties on the offensive line missed tackles near fumbles, whatever it is. They still beat teams by 35 points and a lot of that is because the defense has Bailing them out a lot of respects, but you kind of feel the same way. Am I overreacting today? I don't think so. Like you said, it's the same thing. We've been talking about all year. But now it's just getting later and later into the season where I mean what we can we going into is that we gate now? Yeah, I should have these things corrected by now and they're running out of opportunities to do it and they're going to run into town in Alabama team or whoever else is in the playoff if they even get to the Play-Off and they're just going to get slacked. Yeah. Yeah and everyone's been preaching patience up to this point. No more jobs created. I think today's this week is the last week. I'm I will say anything about patients or at least have a positive attitude towards patients because when it's 17 to 3 months inside of two minutes in the third quarter against Louisville, I know they just be the only other ranked teamed from the ACC last week. There's no other ranked teams from the ACC this week by the way, and that was Wake Forest and off Wake Forest is not what we would call a juggernaut this season. I would say I wouldn't say so. Yeah and yeah Louisville gave up over 50 points to that team and I know Wake Forest in a while, but eventually Clemson put it together and they hung 45 on Louisville by putting up 21 points in the fourth quarter and they scored a touchdown late in the third quarter. Well, but I don't know man. It just doesn't these slow starts and it's just frustrating to see you know, you know, I'm reading all the Recaps. We don't watch the game until Sunday and I'm reading the Recaps and and everyone's kind of positive about it or they're pulling the positives out of the game, which is fine. Go ahead do that. Whatever makes you sleep better at night, but this team Is not one of the best four teams in the country right now and I think it's pretty clear and I don't want to hear it from Dabo anymore. I don't want to hear it from Trevor Lawrence anymore. I don't want to hear it from anyone anymore, This team needs to get its blade together and get on a roll. It's time to get things together. We're more than halfway through the season you only have so many more weeks to get this right. You need to get it right? It's time to make it happen now and I'm English. You can't tell I'm just I'm not I don't have any more patients left for this day see that and we're not the only one seeing that like the rest of the country seen that too and we'll get into that later. But like they get jumped by Ohio State in the rankings to like what's another week there just to get jump to a more time and boom the rather play off right there. Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure why Oklahoma hasn't jumped yet. Give him another week like yeah, Oklahoma has been much better teams and more convincingly than Clemson has so far this year and their quarterbacks played better to yeah. That was me off. Was that Trevor? It's been a while since we've heard from Trevor. All right. Well, let's go over the stats real quick. And then we can talk even more about how disappointed we are and off again and I'll just feels weird because if you look at the stats, it seems like a shellacking like you just discussed 551 yards can for Clemson compared to 263 for Louisville 253 passing yards from Trevor Lawrence. Excuse me, 233 from Trevor Lawrence, 253 overall and Louisville only through for 107 yards. They rushed for 156 Clemson ran for nearly three hundred yards while averaging eight yards per rush. They had six penalties which wasn't great. They had a couple of turnovers they possessed the ball for 30 minutes. You know too many turnovers. Yeah. Yes. I mean we can talk about that for sure. That's I don't know. Let's not do this show where we talk about the good stuff and then the bad stuff. I just want to talk about the stuff that's churning me right now. Just all bad stuff. This is my kind of show here. Good. Let's just be pessimistic about things. I guess we could let's just jump into the takeaways everyone understands what happened in the stats wage takeaways. The first one we have to start with as always is Trevor Lawrence and I guess everything that I just said I can just I could say right now. What what's up, man? What's going on dude? It's time to get stuff together because though he looked better in the final three quarters and especially in the fourth, but it's just two interceptions. I know he's young and people keep making making excuses like, oh remember his just a sophomore. He's just a sophomore. Okay, but eventually you have to take responsibility job. And not that he isn't he is taking responsibility. He said after the game that it was stupid and so did Dabo during the game devil said that he told him that those were about the worst. That's the worst football. He's ever seen wage which is a bit of a dramatic way to say it and maybe we'll talk about this more on Thursday. When we record our mid. We are preview for Boston College next week, but he said it was really stupid throw and that's which one yes both dancers. Yes, and I think it's we're overlooking to that. He threw a really stupid package at the end of the first half to that Justin Ross just so happened to jump higher than the rest of the than 3 Louisville. Defenders happens to be blessed by being five inches taller than the rest of them. Exactly. I don't know that was just a really stupid pass really really stupid. And it seems to be happening more and more and again, I can't put my finger on it. I don't know what it is. I wish I could say. Oh, it's just timing or I mean, I guess the easiest explanation is he's just gotta make better decisions eventually. He has to grow and mature into a quarterback that does not make terrible decisions like that because he's made wage I guess that's the most frustrating part is that you know that he has the talent and he shows it for the most part throughout the game by throwing ropes to his receivers on the sidelines or up the middle or whatever. It may be. He's almost always very accurate, but I think he's just trying to do too much or it's getting fooled either one. I don't know what the explanation is. I mean, it's definitely decision-making. I think I was listening to somebody this week. Forgive me for not knowing who it was but he was saying how Trevor Lawrence is trusting his arm way too much and I think that's exactly the case that dog. He's just throwing these throws that have maybe have worked in the past and he thinks he can make them and he probably can but he's just not he's just throwing whatever he thinks his home and like during the time telecast are always like just check it down. Like that's a smart move and that's the smart quarterback and he's going for the big plays and he's just trusting his arm a little too much money and he's making those stupid throws and he's paying for it. Yeah, and I'm not sure what it's going to take for him to not make those throws anymore. Obviously not the interceptions that like, I mean how many interceptions he up to now, it's God be know. He leaves the acc's he has eight interceptions, right? Like that's just double of what he threw last year. I mean to start the game against Louisville and the first half and you have two interceptions already like home the first quarter to wasn't it. Yeah. Oh it was back-to-back drives. Like first was like we looked at each other was so stupid. Like yeah, I couldn't believe it problem is it's becoming regular now, so it doesn't even surprise me anymore. So wage. Waiting for em to make a stupid interception and I keep begging that's all I want from a takeaway from a game is we're going into game just an interception list game. That's all I'm asking for when I go back. I'm sure he's had one or two of those games, but it's not the normal the normal is for him to make those mistakes. And again, he came back he played okay for the rest of the game, but he's still not living up to it. Eventually you start to wonder. Is this the new normal for mm? Yeah, and I mean there are plenty of quarterbacks out there who have had all the talent in the world and they just can't put it together now he put it together his first season, so I'm not sure what's changed between now and then but something has changed and I'm I'm happy to say that he's regressed. And I'm not sure again what it's going to take but he's got to get it back on track. Otherwise, this team is not winning the championship with him playing at the level that he's currently playing. Yeah, like not winning the championship and definitely not mean the first overall pick. That's for sure. I wouldn't take him right now. I mean, I take two of them I take theirs I'd say a couple other quarterbacks to I take right now I take Joe Burrows but off right right now that's a step too far. I'm sorry for saying that in case my references to Joe Burrows, but made a made an appearance on the CBS telecast several times during their game against really find the Mississippi State Mississippi state that was funny. It's funny. They kept zooming in every time he was doing quality controller. That was probably the most interesting. I haven't Saturday, but that's not what this podcast is about full rate is but some other time how about that? Not today? All right, that's enough time on Trevor Lawrence. The second thing I thought was a great take away. Here's a pause. For you, we've been down here so far this week. Here's a positive for you Travis. ET end. He played really well and I've been saying this for a few weeks now both for different for different reasons. I guess my theory I've postulated at least that if Trevor Lawrence our excuse me of Travis Etienne started getting the Baltimore and and playing well and dominating games like you did against Louisville, it would take the pressure off of Trevor Lawrence and he would start playing better. Now, I'm not sure that fully fleshed itself out this week wage, but Travis routine had a great second-half in Trevor Lawrence at least played pretty well in the second half. So Etienne finished with 14 carries 492 yards. That's pretty darn good. Yeah, that's a pretty good game. And that's an average of 13.7 yards can't really beat that no not much to complain about their you know long a 49-yard you broke the law. On his first. I believe I was the first possession. Yeah and a touchdown it because I did look it on the first possession and they that they did progressed from there. They're just very inconsistent, which we've covered Ad nauseam off this podcast, but he also had four receptions for 35 yards. He he's what makes us often stick in Dabo swinney's offensive is in the coordinators offenses all center around the running game and I guess I just feel I guess they're going for balance or what it is. But to Trevor Lawrence really need to change the ball twenty nine times that game. Yeah. Thank you. That's what I was getting too. I just felt like etn in the offensive line were running roughshod all over Louisville's defense off. And I know you want balance and I know you can't just always run the ball. That's not the way the modern college football game is played but I felt like they got away from the running game, even though he had 192 yards the only carry them all 14 yards or 14 times now Trevor Lawrence carried the ball ten times which way too much. Anyways, you know how I feel about that. There were a few times that I felt like they actually used it. Well in the third quarter when they were backed up they called a draw on third-and-long and you picked it up. I took a huge hit mind you but I'm not I'm starting to come around to the idea that chase price might be a pretty good second option. Anyway all the way try to learn says play and he might need to be ready. Anyways, whoa, I mean not that far. We're getting really hot now really hot tub, but I'm glad to see Dr. Z T and getting it back together after a slight. Lull a few games ago. He he's put together back-to-back games where he's really dominated and transformed the game and that's awful. Basically a great sign for Clemson the defense again played really well the offensive line played. Well, the receivers played pretty well. I guess my other take away is that well, I guess two more takeaways one of which is in this comes back to Trevor Lawrence, but he plays in other things that are just a lot of mistakes that they're making it's not sharp. I don't Florida State they looked really good. But this game again they regressed and they had some penalties offensive line and had a penalty wage and they gave up a couple of sacks. They had that muffed punt that could have easily changed the game. Imagine. If on that much pain Louisville and actually actually recovered the ball for a touchdown and go even at best they go into halftime 17 to 10:00 that game looks very different cuz and as much as Louisville didn't have the yards to show for it, they still move the ball against this defense that just couldn't you know, they put together a couple of first downs, but they couldn't punch it in eventually. But in Asia trell gave up another big play. I still think that's a concern in the secondary teams know that and they've been attacking him over and over and over exactly and Louisville's dropped a couple of balls to that. One of them one of which was probably looked like a touchdown. Yeah, you know in the second quarter, the guy was just coming up the middle and dropped the ball so long, you know, I'm not sure this game was certainly closer than the score indicates. I'm going into the fourth quarter and I just feel like I guess this would be a good time to address the song Dropping and the pole to Fourth. I think it's totally warranted. And at first before I watched the game I thought Okay, Ohio State 150 something to three against Northwestern which is not a good team. Louisville is probably a better team to Northwestern and Clemson 1:45 to 10 but off after watching this game and knowing that from the onset, Ohio State dominated and beat down Northwestern and Ohio State looks like a top 14 off and I took care of business Clemson despite the score did not I repeat did not look like a top forty Min this in this wind. And so I think it's completely understandable that Ohio state would move ahead of Clemson and maybe I'm wrong about this but this has to be one of the few times that it a team that started pre-season number 1000 has yet to lose a game. They're still undefeated has dropped not only to Second not only the third about all the way down to Fourth. Either that means that this is just an incredibly deep year for teams. And that's eventually going to work itself out. I think or Clemson just hasn't looked that good and I think it's just kind of both States Rose. And I mean what's to say it's going to stop here though? Like they're still winning games. They're playing like they have been all year. They're not correcting the mistakes. They've made money. I mean who's going to say that Oklahoma doesn't jump past in this next week because Oklahoma dominates the team they play and Clemson just I mean, it's still dominate. I guess like score wise but like they just don't look very good like who's gonna say that they don't get jumped again, like know, who knows. I mean Clemson is I think Clem suggesting the benefit of the doubt. Everyone knows that Clemson ceiling is probably the highest in the country right now. I'm starting to doubt that a little bit. I mean, I don't die. I think they're probably I mean there's most talented teams in the country and I still think that Trevor Lawrence could be the best quarterback in the country trying to see Team who's probably the most talented running back of all the top, you know, the top-tier teams. He's probably the best running back maybe Jonathan Taylor in there, but Wisconsin, okay. Well, you can't consider Wisconsin a top to your team after they lose the, Illinois. Sure, or do you I would be interested do you think that now? Okay. I didn't think I just wanted you to be held accountable for that comment. Maybe the the kid from Ohio State is a JK Dobbins. He's pretty good running back. Anyways, we're getting down the weeds Clemson is good. They certainly had the best one of the best receiving sport. They're really good. Okay, they're really dang good and they could be really nice really dang good if they played up to their their Highest Potential, but we just haven't seen it so far and I'm a little bit concerned about this upcoming game against Boston College. Boston College wasn't great last years though. They were ranked when they played him last year and Clemson is going to play in at night. Who knows what the weather's going to be? Like, I think they'll probably take care of business cuz it's in Death Valley. I believe. If I'm correct, I'll look I'll look it up I talk but yes, it's in Death Valley. So they'll at least have the crowd behind but here the games where we saw it. I mean Wisconsin is a great illustration of a team who wow had all the momentum going their defense looked amazing. Their offense was taken care of business. They have the best running back probably the country and they've surprised by an Illinois team that no one expected who they were like thirty Point underdogs going to the game dumping down to Levi Smith. Excuse me. I should have known that but yeah, I mean you look at the schedule and I'm sorry I misspoke earlier. I thought wake wasn't going to be ranked wake is actually ranked 25th still usually so there are two ACC teams that are ranked. I'm so sorry wrong Coast Conference. You have two amazing teams who are ranked wake is 25th of so just barely but I'm looking at the rest of their schedule. Okay, so your Boston College Wofford NC State Wake in South Carolina, and the two toughest games are quotes toughest games left. Did I say mm? Last? Excuse me to 3 the last three games are the toughest games that they have offered. No way. Sorry. They have to go to NC State and they have to go to South Carolina and we've seen South Carolina has beaten one of those top-tier teams wake has a really good offense. Not Clemson has shown that they shut down really good offenses, but I don't know they still have off its feels we were saying this but they still have some of the best teams in left on their schedule. I guess. That's what I'm saying, South Carolina. I watched that South Carolina will see how South Carolina plays the rest of the season but I think they're primed have another upset. I think you never know. So I really hoped that I don't know what it's going to take again. I've said that probably thought Many times in this episode but they've got to get they've got to get it together. And I think what was interesting and what they're dealing with right now is I can't put my finger on it. There's just some really bad bad bad mojo around the program right now. It's really difficult to reverse poor momentum or what is perceived a momentum and I know Davos talked about his job being to keep the noise out of the locker room and in a way from the team's ears and I think we'll talk about this more on Thursday. I think he's become sort of a drama queen and he's you know thrashing beat reporters for doing what they do talking about the news and talking about Trevor Lawrence his shoulder injury and the weird blow up he had against with BT Potter and all these different things will happen to this more on Thursday. I think I'd like to speak with Time on it then but I'm not sure he's doing a great job of keeping the noise and I don't they're certainly not doing a good job of reversing the momentum or keeping it. I should say they had it down secured it I thought against FSU. Yeah, they looked good and poof. It's gone all of a sudden because even though you beat a team even I mean they beat Louisville even better jobs better. Whatever you want to say then FSU. They scored forty forty-five Points each game, but they gave up 14 to Florida State and tend to Louisville. So if you look at the score, it was a better result you watch the game as much you don't feel the same way. So I think can I just say one thing before we get to that episode about it? Of course. Okay, they just need to shut off and actually play including Davao especially devil actually just shut up make fix your mistakes. And show us who you are. Yeah. We're sick of it. Yeah. All right. I like that good. I did tell you that. I'm sort of sick and tired of you did I'm kind of annoyed at devil right now. I'm a little frustrated. I'm not I'm not loving the way that he's handling this season so far and you can hate me for that. I don't I don't really care but I think it's pretty clear. I agree with you. I hate you. I mean, thank you. God bless episode. I think I gave him a pass and the BT Potter situation. I've kind of reverse course on that. I think he he threw him under the bus. It was really an appropriate of them and credit to be to Potter. I'm going to go ahead and say this cuz I wanna find out if my curse actually works I said this at the beginning of season Clemson has a kicker what are you know Clemson has a kicker he had a he had a great field goal this season and we'll see if the curse is a real thing cuz if you start shaking things again, I am going to become you won't be able to talk about Clemson kicking ever again. Yeah, I may have to leave those podcast forever which might be happy news for some words. In fact, I've won quite I didn't want to read about I'm just going to just hop over that comment by the way go for it. One comment. I did want to read about Clem dropping to fourth in the rankings from Davao and this plays into I guess we're just going to talk about it again his little dramatic streak that he has going on here. He said in reference reference to their drop this this week. She said I'm not surprised at all. We're winning games by an average of 28 points and last year this time. We were winning by 28.7 points that point seven is elusive. It's probably the greatest point seven. There is no were chasing that but we'll keep working. I don't worry about any of that stuff everyone or everyone can have whatever opinions they want. We want to work our tails off and get better. That's what matters to us. Yeah, we'll have those opinions and so will the committee and you won't be in the playoff. How about that? How about that? And I think it's funny when every whenever someone comes at something sarcastically, you know, they care about it to a certain extent and when he says he's obviously a little ticked off about this and when he says what does he say? I don't worry about any of that stuff off. I'm calling your bluff on that dab. Oh, give me a break. You may be tired of hearing about it. But you care about it the fact that you that you say something so sarcastic that you've looked up you've looked it up off that you were winning by an average of 2028.7 points last season, and now you're still beating teams by 28 points this year. It means you looked up the stats and they you know the stats you care about it don't lie to us to have. Oh, give me a break get stuff together. Just stop talking I'd be okay. If you went into a into his press conferences this for the rest of the year and just he silenced. Yeah, he just needs to coach speak. I know that's not who dabble is but don't say things like this month you're contributing to the noise. That's not helping your team. You're doing the exact opposite of what your job is to do with. We talked a lot about things outside of the game this episode but is there anything else that we need to add about? I feel like you were about to add something. I'm sorry. Did I cut you off now download up again? Okay, go for it. What pretend I didn't catch you off. Say what you're going to say guys save that for our next episode. Yes. You should go off on them. That's fine. That's do that. Okay. The last thing I thought I'd remember one more thing and that's that there were a few injuries that weren't severe. But that happened in this game. John Simpson the rain guard Travis Etienne Amari Rodgers, Isaiah Simmons Reserve defensive tackle, Saviour Kelly Darion Kendrick, they all came up. Excuse me. They all came to the game with injuries. They weren't serious again, but they were all they all came out of the game at some point because they were injured so hopefully we'll keep we'll keep you updated Davao came out during the day. Sunday press conference said he can't give any updates on it. It's too early. So we'll see you as the week progresses what happens with that but that's something to keep an eye on and that's what happened during this game. Again Clemson pulled out. Victory 45 to 10. We are unimpressed though, and we hope that next week against Boston College. We will see more so better. Yes more better things. That's kind of fun to be mad at Clemson. Yeah, they haven't play worst. I mean just want them some more. Yeah. I mean, it's probably good for us as long as they keep winning. This again goes into the theory that this podcast is down for Clemson because our best content comes from the Clemson's bad aspects so that shared for that but no, of course not never never never any doubt. We will come to you again later this week with a with a preview. Excuse me for Boston College. I'm sorry, we've been kind of hit and miss the past couple of weeks, but things have gotten busy and, Georgia. Going to get back on schedule here because we know you love us and you need more of our podcast. 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The Kist & Solak Show #77: Mocking the Eagles with Joe Marino

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The Kist & Solak Show #77: Mocking the Eagles with Joe Marino

"Michael kissed Benjamin so lack it's the Kistin Solex show presented by SP nation and leaving green nation. You are flying high on the kissed and Solex show. This is up to sewed seventy seven brought to you by the fine, folks. And as be nation and bleeding green nation. I on your host, Michael kissed. You could follow me on Twitter, Michael kissed NFL. That's K I S T as always I enjoyed by the best Doug on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He's also shocking combine snub he is Benjamin so lack on Twitter at Benjamin. So like, that's K. Ben, how're you doing brother? Let me tell you. What happens? I'm a senior in college. And so I I realized I was going to be a senior cause for this draft cycle. I was like Aw, frigging sick can't wait to make a bunch of jokes about how I should be in the NFL draft. And then I did and they became very tired very quickly, which let's be honest. I should have seen that coming. Right. I didn't. I thought this would be funny. And so then I had a lean off for a little bit. So I could really lean into them for the senior bowl. And then they hit a couple of senior week in felt good got hit my stride a little. A bit leaned off it, and I knew in the Combi came round had to make another one. Like, yo combine, where's my invite? Everybody's gotta see how tall actually and this huge content of time line. How could they now want this? And so, yeah, I made my I was a combine snub today's disappointing. I think I'll goes in media member. Instead, I'll take that invitation as consolation prize, but happy Michael Bennett podcast. You don't think I forgot nice nice job? And I thought you were going to totally missed the boat on that never unless I didn't have a number in which case I would have forgotten on purpose. We could talk about Ben being a combine snub or we can introduce our special guest. Joining us today. He is the senior NFL draft analyst for the draft network at draft network dot com is the co host of the draft dues podcast, which is must-listen year round. And it gives the best hugs decided in Mississippi. He is the supremely, handsome and intelligent. Joel Merino follow him on Twitter at the Joe Marino. Joe how you doing brother? You know? It's it's an honor to be here with two. Themed podcasters pencil and Michael kissed. I'm I'm lucky to be here. Really? We are very happy to have you here in you guys have a lot going on or read draft network. And before we get into the meat and potatoes of this show. I wanted to you to pitch it to our audience. Give the elevator pitch at what you've got going on over at draft network dot com because there's a lot of new things happening. But I myself I'm very excited for yes. I mean on top of hopefully, everyone's been enjoying all the written content that we're putting out on a daily basis the NFL draft scouting profiles on all the players the podcast that we have. But it is time for us. Very soon to launch some exciting interactive features that everyone will have on February twenty fifth hour launching a build your own big board. This is an application where you can go, and you can pick from the player pool valuable and make your own big boards, and you can share those and you can you can be the expert at the draft network in in let us know how you ranked the players, but then the real excitement comes the. Same day where it's a mock draft machine, which is basically a mock draft simulator where you can take that big board and inserted into the mock draft machine, and you can run through simulations. And so if you're an eagles fan, and you wanna make those picks for Holly rosement, you can do that based on your own player rankings. You can also use the tedium consensus big board or are predictive big board. So it is an exciting application. It's coming your way that you can be the expert and join in on the discussion over at the draft network. I've seen the videos that you guys have put out on that at draft network LLC on Twitter. I am very excited for that. So I can't wait to get my hands on that guys. If you aren't following the draft networks work yet, you really need to get on it. Because there for me, it's the only resource resource that I use for for draft stuff. So let's get into why we are here today. The main topic of today's show is going to be analyzing some of the prospects linked to the Philadelphia Eagles at pick twenty five that includes heavily mocked players and players that we are cells prefer. At twenty five one of the first ones that I'm seeing a ton. And I've been talking about it all morning, honestly, we could work down almost this entire line from the Clemson defensive line is defensive tackle Dexter Lawrence. Joe, I don't know about you. But my current grade in formula for interior defensive linemen places on emphasis on pass rush. Ability and Lawrence hasn't produced the type of numbers that might grading system would value that said, he's a big dude weighing in round three hundred forty pounds. He definitely soak up some blocks and take some attention away from Pletcher Cox be a big plus against the run. But I question the ability for him to be impactful in passing situations. Joe how do you like that fit? How do you like that value while I'm with you? And I describe against deficiencies in players games as well. And when we're talking about pass rush ability for a defensive tackle like, I gotta have that. And if I'm gonna take a player in the first round, I gotta know that you can obviously make an impact as a run defender. But really in this day and age in this NFL, I want guys that I know can can get in the. Face that quarterback and provide that interior penetration. And so the thing about Lawrence's. He does profile as is a really good run defender. He's a bigger guy play over the center. He's in enough space. He's in the keep the second level clean. He moves pretty well for us size. I do think he can get into the backfield. So I get that really exciting run stopping ability. But I do have those same questions about his ability to rush the passer is he really going to get the edges of blockers and get his hips around and hit a pass rush move and make make you know, make that pressure that you're looking for and I don't feel overly confident that he's going to be able to do that. Now, he does move welfare assize, but if he's three hundred fifty pounds like to me, I'd rather see him drop thirty pounds. He could still be a big defensive tackle and move better and really profile Moore's as a pass rusher. So I think his size is is appealing. But it's also not appealing at the same time. Because I do think it limits. Ben what say you on the Lawrence. Simply just doesn't jive with what Schwartz likes to do. Like if you like it there front four in a vacuum. And you. What's missing piece here? Your is a real big one tag like fudge Cox, healthy man is big Butte who plays three tech forum on journey was playing three he was planned at like in when he was playing the one tech excuse me us flying it at a little bit lighter. If not the same way as Cox than they bring in. Hello NADA for the year. He's kind of their heads of tackle just stopgap with journey injury. So they must need a not a replacement Manatt. That's not what Jim torch's liked to do. Especially in Philadelphia. He likes to get smaller on the inside to generate a pass rush, and he'll maintain with his regular, you know, two three tech looks. They'll just bump one of those guys into one tag of clear running down situations in he has guys who can move and play the five tacking get five man fronts, or whatever we've seen him. Do this standing outside? He doesn't need a big space eating zero one TEK. It's not the way he likes to run his defense that we've seen him do in Philadelphia. Referred to add box numbers to discourage the run so Lawrence's strength doesn't profile to what Philadelphia looks for on philosophically on their defense. So. While I think defensive tackle is certainly in play in twenty five that's absolutely conversation. I don't think Lawrence would be the name if they had a couple of options there. And I think of Lawrence is the only option the province can go for different position Dexter Lawrence being mocked to the eagles. We have determined that is ally. So that cork down this clumps defense line defensive tackle Christian Wilkins edge player. Cleveland feral two guys I've seen mocked heavily to the eagles. Now. There's two lines of thinking when it comes rushing a passer for the eagles get Wilkins, and you can have packages Bennett kicks outside get feral. You cannot packages Bendix inside either way you keep embedded on the field of passwords in situations. Just matter where you put him. So you feel like the eagles really don't have to force a position here, and they can take guy they like best at they decide to go defensive line here. So Joe Wilkins feral if they're both there, and you know, what let's let's throw in one more from outside of Clinton. Let's go Mississippi State defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons so of Christian Wilkins, Cleland feral and Jeffrey so. Emmons are all sitting there at twenty five who is your best available player. Maybe the best fit for the eagles there. That's that's interesting. I like all of those players the thing with Simmons. When you bring him into the mix here his situation with with what happened before he got to Mississippi say with the domestic issue. Yeah. Right. All the indications are that he's really been an exemplary person at Mississippi State. But the bottom line is at happened. There's video of it. And so I really am starting to be nervous at a team is going to take him in the first round and have him be the headliner for their draft class. Take them in the second round all day long. Do the Joe mixon thing, right? He's he's not going to be the headliner of your class. So I think you guys probably know the inner workings of the types of people that the Philadelphia Eagles are willing to bring into the organization. So I don't know if they're going to be one of the team that's willing to do that. Would it be worth the value and the pick and skill set all that stuff absolute? But that's the big question Mark there. So. When you look at to me, I guess it comes onto feral in in Wilkins. And I like them both Faeroes along edge rusher. Really good technique has a lot of variety to how he wins. Good power, not necessarily the most explosive in terms of really just being able to put stress on that offense. Tackling get around there outside hip, but he knows how to soften those angles and get around Wilkins. I mean, he's he's such a dynamic guy in terms of his ability to get that pass rush that we talked about that couldn't get from Dexter Lawrence. But the thing about him like he's not immune to getting worked out of a gap. He's not immune to getting stone on a pass rush. Like, he's not necessarily a guy that I think is is going to be a super dynamic like best player at position type thing at the next level. I do think he's one of those guys with high culture are high football character. He's one of those culture changing type players. So to me, I I like I'm gonna go with with feral in this situation. I know that look calm down there. So with Jim Schwartz you need to be able to get that that. Pressure with those front four and Farrell's a guy that he, you know, look at his production across receives in the ACC. He really he really put up some good numbers. He knows how to get after the passer and I trust him from those wider angles and being able to use his hands to soften angles and get after the quarterback. So me in that scenario. I'm going Farrell. I don't think he's gonna get there though. I had liked to say, yeah, I'd like to see him short spring in Farrell and at twenty five it's great value for the quality player federalists for furrow, not Farrell thorough. Varos the fifteen player for me. I really like his game Schwartz has never prioritized the length. And I love for him to do. It means like I be great. If he did like, I think, it'd be awesome. If you had that body type two stables, I think they need to. I'm just humid. We Jan Joel known as 'cause shortstops in buffalo man sent his ways he coaches defense away in things go badly. He continues to coach defensive certain way leakage there. He likes to like, you know, stick with his molds and so on and so forth. So I don't like to me. It's Wilkins Wilkins, the guy that I would like to see I agree with you Joe in the sense that I don't think Wilkins is a is a dominant player will did not get around one grade for me. But as far as a guy who's playing next to flex or cause who's a cheaper option. They are unique to get a starting tackle on a rookie contract because you have already poured so much money into that position four hundred Cox with his contract, and there's no way he's leaving for the next three four years, given the quality of play, obviously. But then also contract structure, so you really wanna get impact starter there, which doesn't have to be round one. He doesn't have to be Wilkins the twenty five, but you gotta Gable to get somebody that spot to two second round picks. So well is the name I like on the on the Clinton declined. But let me ask you this. Joe, the there's always a debate of the week kind of like, you know, on Twitter talking about, you know, which positions you like, whatever I think one thing I've seen a lot of is like, right. You've got Brian burns on a Florida. State Yucai polite out of Florida Cleland. A lot of Clemson Josh Allen to Kentucky those edges two through five. Mc boasts number one in the class. Everybody has a different way that they rank them. How do you like him? So the way that I have the edges stacked I have Bosa one. Here we go. This is where you might get crazy. Number two. I have burns Brian burns. Correct. Take unprepared to defend that if there's any opposition in the groom here now so far to for to Josh Allen at three three three baby. Cleveland feral at four Joseph know would happen. It was going. So well is that now you have it? So like, I have polite right now is one slot of for me their neck and neck. Oh, okay. And I have polite as five. Yeah. I have to light for five. But I think I think the part I feel most strongly about that. I feel best about right now is definitely burns to some happy to see burns to do this in man as he is in both of your top five or d like right now, if you were gonna your head have to say, he was top-five is in the top high for you guys. He might be five. Yeah. I mean, he's just like. Like the way he sets up his pass rushes like exceptional length flexibility of variety of moves like that inside like cross chop rip combo that he he hits like over. And over is unbelievable. And I love Josh Allen. Josh Allen, just as is a burst in Ben guy. Like the technical refinement in burns is so superior to Josh Allen that like I couldn't deny not having him head of bed. What about you burns top five? Now, I'm pretty sure burns is six for me. I don't wanna tell you five as Mike. At the garden know who it is. And we're going to save that fight for another day. But speaking of safeties one guy that you Joe recently mocked to the eagles is Delaware safety Nisar Adderley who was a guy that is to. I have a late first round grade on Adderley, and I've been talking about the need for youth and death at safety for going on two years now, especially though, the big nickel big time that the eagles like the play all do plenty of selling of Adderley in the next couple of months. But Joe what do you like about the player in what made you Lincoln to that to the eagles in that spot? Man. I'll tell you what I thought Corey Graham was was toast when he left buffalo. Still each one's going. The topic. By the way, Joe is the host of locked on Bill. So he has vast experience before Graham when I I didn't even know Graham was still in the league until I saw black tweeting about him during an eagles game. Like. He's playing meaningful. Snaps late this assembly. He is Betty does. Yeah. Joe? And they were sitting there in training camp in grandma's? Not bear in training camp for the season. Right. That young they had had Reeves Jimmy Reeves the rookie out of south Alabama. They trace Sullivan a second round shepherd or a second-year player on shepherd, and they were just and neither could win the job. And we were sitting there in training camp going. There's no bring Corey Graham back, right? Like Graham was rammed got toasted on a Kareem hunt running twenty seventeen batter than I have ever seen a safety. Just like his angle didn't nothing, but he was not even there. It was awful. And they brought Graham back in like the end of August one week of preseason, boom. You was starting by week three eggs in the cloud injury. All it was awful. It was my nightmare. So saves from Corey Graham, tell us about outerly way better. Yeah. Yeah. Philly had the thirtieth past defense in the league last year. We gotta get some reinforcements here on the back end some of that will come naturally with certain players that they have young pieces getting better and getting healthy in those types of things. But man what I love about Adderley is. Well, obviously his tape is just so fricking good. I think in terms of just film study, he'll he'll be one of the ten best players. I watch just on film this for this draft cycle. But man, he's so versatile. And I think that's so important for safety's. I want guys that are interchangeable that can fill a lot of different roles in give me scheme. Multiplicity? You get out Adderley I play him in deep zones as a single high guy or cover too. I he's a guy that I feel comfortable in man coverage got experience playing corner. He so physical in aggressive coming forward playing making tackles running alleys overall tackling really outstanding. He's got exceptional ball skills. I mean, he just literally checks Tana boxes. What made me like really put me over the edge with Adderley is. I watched a bunch of his games. I'm like, man, he. Winds up deep off the ball. And he still makes a lot of play like he processes so quick positions himself to make plays despite lining up twenty twenty five yards off the ball with consistency. So I think he's going to be a really high impact guy and a guy that can fill a lot of roles which is exactly what I'm looking for out of the safety. The first game. I watched him was against North Dakota state. And then the first drive I had no idea who I was looking for. I do this a lot where I I know the name that I'm looking for. But I don't look up a number or anything like that. I have a relative idea of where they're going to be playing. But I drive. It was like, oh, that's that's got to be Adderley. That's gotta be him. He's all over the place making place, and that was a thirty eight to nothing blow out, and he is just working his butt off every snap. So a lot of respect for his game. Really like him ban list about some offense of tackles, some of the guys that I've seen being linked yawning juice out of West Virginia. That's the guy like he's got some lunging issues notwithstanding. It is Washington state's Andre Dillard, who do you wanna talk about as far as the offense of tackle goes. And not ask Joe about as Joe was. One of the big on Yod nearly ri-. Joe you could use. Yeah. Like good player. So I like jokes. Did you see them live or was that Kyle on life? You to know. I did I was at the Oklahoma got. He got a game. We got hurt or something like pretty early on. So it's home against Tennessee. Yeah. I did. I was supposed to see against NC state. But west Virginia's cowards and win reschedule a game. So I suppose to see him three times as only so allies is could use the guy in that twenty five range for you. Or is he more of a second rounder? You know, I think I'd probably love him a little bit later early second round. But I'm not gonna split hairs over at mean. He's the guy that I think has every attribute you're looking for in a quality left tackle at the next level mean he moves really, well, he's super physical empower. He's nasty. Like, you see some of these reps for he's just put nudes on their back blocking through the whistle. Whistle getting in boxing matches posts could Sam. I mean, this this the nasty stuff. I'm looking for in an offensive lineman gets gets out in space. Well, I mean, he's got some techniques body control or balance. I've stuff that I think you need to clean up. Some some of set points are funny. It's all teachable stuff. But I love his traits. And so if you can if you can put that altogether. I think you've got a really nice physical package, you're to be a quality left tackle if when you're talking about. His issues with his balanced. Did you see the same thing? I saw when he throws his punchy tends to get little overextended little over skis yet. I just get below patient. You got the link you've got every bit of ability to MIR. So just trust that set in. Yeah. Just don't overextend because the man yielding seven the NFL man, you're dawn. Yeah. I think it's teachable. I hope it's teachable because these really exciting elsewhere. I really wanted to see him at the senior bowl for that reason Gallas patient of tackles, you're gonna find the next level or lane Johnson. Jason theaters right Peters. But appears absolutely has a lot of aggressiveness to him. There's no doubt about that. But this is a guy who as he's gotten older has been able to vary his sets less, and so he still uses his little jumps at his crossover sense that these setback he's had to go into like, you know, forty five degrees vertical sets and so on and so forth with success and lane Johnson is the is the key example of you have length you have foot speed. Let him come to you. Let him try to make a move let him declare a direction, and then you're gonna take him. He wants to get near to steer him beyond the quarterback and good people to learn underneath. Obviously, you have Staten is fantastic offices line coach there, I like yawny a lot as a potential target. Not only for the West Virginia connection. We'd Philadelphia's drafted a ton amount nears in recent years, but they're so they're such a strong off tackle class. I think earlier like you have Joon Taylor out of Florida Jona Williams out of Alabama, and Cody Ford out of Oklahoma all the potential to be like top fifteen picks my opinion. Now, you're looking at yawny, David Edwards out of Wisconsin. Who is like Elaine Johnson type in terms of like duties, huge incredible mover. And then you have Don reisner outta Kansas state. Who's the more like is you guards centers the attack will play spots. That's your tier two and those three guys of the names, you would circle Philadelphia around twenty five if they want to go off at the tackle early which only way they do with Jason Peters retirement. But if they wanna go off tackle early, then that tier those three guys the likely names you circles who you expect to be there because you spec the firm. Three to be gone by twenty five. Now, I'm saying Washington state's Andre Dillard there I am not sold on that anybody who wants to jump on that tell me why it's either good or bad jolly guest. Well, you know, Dillard, I mean, I love his feet like he's super smooth is fi can slide laterally, really. Well, you love that in. Maybe that'll help him be able to take care of speed. Russia's like technique needs a lot of work, and Ben and I talked about him a ton of the senior bowl. And he's a guy that like you watch at Washington state offense in what they're asked to do in Mike Leach doesn't shy away from this. What they're asked to do is is totally for that scheme with not a lot of foresight to technical work in in the next level. I mean, a lot of vertical steps lot of vertical sets excuse me. A lot of instances where his only real technique or task on a play is to let the let the rusher go where he wants to go like to Ben a little more than he wants to go there, and just you know, the balls getting out in two two and a half seconds. And so just do whatever you have to do to make sure he doesn't get to the Gordon back. And so like there's an entire relearning of how to play the position that's gonna have to happen for Dillard at the next level. I don't necessarily like his hands. Over functional strength pretty poor. So you're just looking at a guy that can move and has a good size and length. So a lot of work to be done there with Dillard, so he's not very clean and I'm not comfortable with him at twenty five or anyone. Yeah. I think we were to be a guy who were to sit and be around than shore. Like, you know, be around ready to be won't be example's probably overdraft him. And the thing is like you talk about what Washington state does in their offense because they can get rid of the ball. So quickly right now just off the top of your head. Both you cover the draft pretty closely. Who's the top edge rusher, come out of the pack twelve this year haunts, maybe? Yeah. Volun- kid who right? Just Hollins is not a castle. Name just holiday go on day. One day two baby. Pac twelve is not shrine guys. They're not producing Tana of edge talent and so many defenses. There are running three man fronts in the running slanting fronts in they're there to gap ING with their edged defenders because of how many option attacks in these like know multiple polling kinda read option looks that you get from office in the back of. So even like when Diller was like abstract even more than three seconds the edge the first second of that in a two in an even stance. Not a staggered stance. Reading the backfield. We didn't even have gal. You know what I mean? 'cause I getting tested with first explosiveness. So there's there's just so much like there's a lot about Dillard to like, but there's so many holes that you just don't know if they're filled yet. Maybe haven't worked him. Our you just haven't seen them play that tape that it's such a tough first-round valuation. That's such a hard leap to take for me. Hey, everybody. How you doing? Well, that's good. My name is Bill Matt's. I am the director of fun and games for broad street. Hockey radio podcasts. I am Kelly the deputy managing editor of broad street hockey dot com. I'm Steph driver, the NHL editor manager for Espy nation. And I am Charlie O'Connor lead. Flyers writer for the Atlantic dot com. And together we make up BS h radio one of the shows that you get at the Espy nation podcast family. We have a lot coming to you this year. And we want you to listen to or show. It is just an all flyers all the time show so much content. I really hope you listen to it. It is a great piece of the speed Asian podcast family along with all your other favorite sports. We all love hockey, specifically the fires. Let's go the flyers the hockey team of flyers. All right. So let's move onto skill positions. Because they're the sexiest they get the people going, but do names like Alabama running back. Josh Jacobs are Oklahoma's wide receiver marquees Hollywood Brown. Move the needle for you Joe. And before you answer, one quick note on the Alabama connection there as there's a report that the eagles are likely to bring back former director of operations Joe Nunzio who spent last year coaching the tide running backs. But Joe either of those names do it for you. If you said gun to head you have to pick one I'd pick Josh Jacobs. Amen. I think I think he does. I mean, everything right. Like, he's powerful. He's allusive he passed blocks. He catches the football. He super competitive like you don't have to worry about like him not wanting to battle for every inch. I mean, I've shared some some gifts on my time. Lately just situations where he is runs overdue and makes makes guys pay for coming at him soft like I love that about him. And I actually liked that he's he was the third back at Alabama like soda, why Ludlow tread under three hundred touches, right? I've got. Yeah. I I've seen enough. I know what he can do like. But at the same time, I mean, you get into positional value in those types of things. So at twenty five like I've loved to get him in the second round. But if he's going to be the difference maker on the offense, then yeah, go ahead and get your got banned. Either of those names. Do it for you. Right. I'll take Hollywood Brown. No next question. Here's the thing. The highwood. Yeah. Absolutely. Like the Sean Jackson comp on there. Like, I can definitely see the shades of Sean Cal the thing was like if the Sean at Cal was Hollywood, then all of this extra buzz that that Hollywood is getting right now is kind of a result of Baker Mayfield in calamari Lincoln Riley, and then the Oklahoma offense kind of all the all the attention that gets in and so on so forth. Like, we gotta remember does Sean Jackson was drafted. He came out. He was picked at forty nine of role in the second round. It was a barely atop fifty pip. I'm sure there are talked about him around one. But the league was not ready to go for him in round one. I acknowledged the league is changed in the ten eleven years. It's been. Since Jackson was drafted. But we have to acknowledge that like similarly to Dillard, there are limitations on a player. Like, you know, a five seven one hundred eighty pound, dude. Like Hollywood Brown flaying in offense like Lincoln rise in the big twelve that we just can't answer that we just really can't, you know, conclusively say like all right, how well is he gonna you know, like fight through good press coverage to get to a fifteen yard dig. We've never seen him. Do it once and he doesn't have the frame that lends itself for that. Ryan we're talking down the field. He's uncovering from people fantastically. I love it. But he's gonna be in more contested situations. He's gonna get hit harbor. They're going to be safeties at close faster the next level. It's gonna happen. And there's not a ton of positive film for him there. So he's a he has a role that means he's going to stick. Great. That's step one. There was a what is a player do. Well, hug will Brown can fly. He does that. Really? Well, check that box with the bond his hands ridiculously electric, and you're gonna wanna get it there. So you're gonna give him. He's going to be a part of your offense or you willing to value. What I think is an incomplete evaluation with some red flags with some big concerns in round one the answer should be. No. And that's what's important to remember. The heights are great. But around one you have to be able to answer a lot of questions you have to prove a prospect kind of beyond reasonable doubt. And to me, there's reasonable doubt in Hollywood Brown. The only reasonable doubt. There is Josh Jacobs is that he's running back at vid- drafting around one maybe as a super necessary on that dude slam. Don't eat out awesome. Yeah. We're gonna talk about second. Maybe third round prospects on my one name each from you guys. But like someone I'm willing to wait for the end of day two around that area. Nicole hardman the wide receiver out of Georgia. Bourgeois loves miekel Harmon asked Joe's get on faster, Hollywood or miekel do go Hartman. I didn't. I was unaware of that you were the first the first person to tell me about Meco Hartman, you told me you said that Michael's having a great game. This was during the season. And then you ask you said are we sure Hollywood Brown's gonna be the fastest runner of the combine for why? In terms of. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a pretty penny. Bargain been there for you. Right. Oh aca. I mean. Yeah. I think they're probably equal speed. I'm not sure hardman slower than them. I think they're both going to be low four three guys. And so like if you can get hardman fifty pixelated her. That's today. I'm I'm gonna do that for sure. Yeah. So I think we're all in on that. Okay. Am I leaving anybody out here? The first round discussion may be Charles many who from Texas Joe or the other names when you were doing the mock that we haven't mentioned yet or a re pretty much good here. No. I like the names that we brought to the table. I think I've seen some stuff where maybe there's some concern at linebacker with the Jordan hick situation whatnot. But who do you have MAC Wilson or Devon white as your top linebacker? Hey, I'm actually the next thing. I do when we get done with recording this podcast. I'm working on Devon Bush from Michigan. Who's my top guy? You're that. You're I'm not prepared to answer the question. I need. I didn't see some more Devin Bush, though, probably not I I can be Devon white. Right. You have concerns about them in light. Which I to. Yes, I AMAN he's dead play against Georgia and the goal line where he. You don't time. I with there at the at the sideline they're unbelievable like he he can scoot, and he's built like a tank, but like that doesn't matter if you can't process, and I think we maybe jumped a little bit on the train there with saying on. This guy's really cleaned up his twenty seventeen issues like now when I watched deep dive, there's a lot of misreads there's a lot of situations where he's just vacate space. He's accountable for there's times where he just doesn't. He's not in his gaps in like, and he doesn't get ahead of he doesn't get ahead of blocks. And he doesn't have he's not good at getting off a block. So like if he gets the mental side down like, yeah. Every physical ability necessary to become a star. But we've got a long way to go. And I'm not super comfortable with him right now. Are we Mike? We sure we don't wanna talk about corners. 'cause I've been told eagles need a corner around one. That's a thing. That's been having been told that they don't buy you repeatedly. So I've been avoiding amazing there. Multiple Mont drafters. You know, big drafts. TM are like listen eagles. Man, really need a draft that outside corner around one. Meanwhile, the us have currently nine thousand corners on rookie contracts, if they were at another one at any significant point even late because they have so much depth. It's not about like, they don't they need starters. Yeah. But the thing is have the figure out which ones are the ones on the roster. They already have literally five corners on rookie deals. Let me play the role of question asker here Benso act because. I am a. I am one of those people that have done I do mock drafts. And you look at it. And like we talked about ready thirtieth ranked pass defense in the NFL. And you look at this depth chart and all sitting Jones breed. Good and russillo. Douglas. He he's got some size and length and ball skills. But you're like Maddux heat. What is he his safety was his role? Like, you can see why maybe somebody. That's not intimately connected to the seam would would want to go quarterback. I mean, Jalen mills looked like he was toast a lot of times last year. So like right tell I mean outside of them having a bunch of young guys on rookie contracts. Like is there enough quality here to think that the people are in place to solidify the back end here. Well, let's start from the who good place. Yeah. Jalen, mills toast, really hoping. We don't see Jaylen hill start again this year that's gonna hope for a couple of years. Now Ronald Darby is obviously a big question. Mark here. Let Darby walk then perhaps you're talking about. Okay. Well, we wanna go end reinvestment positions for gambling too. Onto much young talent though, getting rookie kinda isn't really solve that problem. You ought. I mean, you probably more so get veteran. But the what we understand is they're going to try to bring Darby back cheap coming off of a another season ending injury which tricky game, obviously like houses health gonna be. But the ideas that they wanna bring Darby back. Now, you have Sidney Jones who's not been able to be healthy for two seasons. Absolutely. But he had some good flashes. During the second season where he was obviously much more healthy than it wasn't his first season. Which basically missed the whole thing. With the Phillies injury result. Douglas came along very nicely through the end of the season and swollen guy. We've seen start in like a backup capacity for a couple of a couple of years. Two games here. Three here any kind of up and down. Good tackles, bad, tackles, good place. Interception. Bad play blown coverage. You know, whatever he got like a long drawn out set of starting reps at the end of the season and really flushed out nicely. I mean when you get gone to the playoffs they weren't targeting him. Like they were like the. Bear stayed away from his side the saints it away from his side. They did not want to go his way, he's really done. Well developing better zone instincts in traditional cover three Sewell's guy that you want to start next year. He finished last year, very strong, and then it's onto Madison on the Blunk Q additions. Amass was the rookie LeBlanc was a desperate free agent. Who done very well for themselves in the slot. And so you think between Darby slash Sidney Jones on one side on the other and the Maddox Cremona Blunk as your three in your four. You have a good base. You can't really cut anybody 'cause they're all on rookie contract. So it's like who would you know, if you add another body, you have so many people like who you're gonna get rid of like, it's not going to be a value cut. And then the final point would be just like, yeah, they had a terrible passing defense. But it's important to remember at one point the injuries were so bad. They were starting. Devante Bosnian champion Sullivan. So that it was expert McDougal in Corey Graham reef four game stretch with a literally polling is off the streets apply. Josh hawk. Skains was out there playing in the penultimate game, which I don't know if you know, Josh Hawkins, Joe. But I don't either. So like, that's so. Yeah. That that tells the story little bit of the past defense, generally like because they have so many young rookie contracts. They're not really gonna cut anybody. So I don't really think it makes a lot of sense to add rookie contract ongoing thing. I could see making senses adding veteran if you let Darby walk that pretty much explains it, thank you. So yet Joe. So we're taken by Murphy from Washington as the quarter. That's that's what we're doing. The most people. Yeah. He just he's not that great of a tackler, which swertz really values. But other than that, you watch his tape and go. Yeah. This is exactly what our quarters do in Philadelphia. It makes a lot of sense if we didn't have fifteen thousand corners. Let's talk about real quick just throw a name out there for the second round there. A couple of guys that I like, but I'm also writing pieces on them. There's Darnell savage junior from Maryland the safety slash nickle slash could in a few years be a free safety. Maybe if you figure some things out upstairs, but I already have my top five piece out for bleeding green nation dot com for the draft class. He was in there. I wrote up I wrote him up, and I've also got my top five interior defensive linemen piece coming out not saying that dream on Jones from Ohio State has made it, but he is going to be featured in that piece in some capacity. So I'll leave that content for the website. Do you guys have anybody in the second round where you're like? Ooh. That's that's my guy in the second round. It didn't have to be for the eagles. If someone that you really love for the value. I would say for the eagles specifically if they didn't wanna go safety in the first run. Well, how about one? Thornhill CD from Virginia. He's a guy that switchover from corner. He can do different things. I like his instincts guy that processes clean, and you can just tell that his experience at corner really lend itself to playing safety this past season point in a lot of cover two point some single high plane in the box like he knows where everyone's supposed to be. So when you have to layer coverage, he knows where those owns aren't. He does a really job reading the backfield working in throwing lane. So I think he's a savvy player maybe doesn't have the upside that's gonna kinda keep them out of the first round. But I like his versatility as well for second round safety. Definitely a big fan of Thornhill. Ben who you got in the second round that you that you love GATT. No that Thornhill train baby. I've been act off feel that way. It has to be second round. Can I go round three? Yeah. Hit me with round three men were releaser. They don't really have around the only had second rounders. She's rounders. All right. They're not going to trade. Ben, we're going to work. Let's go into how a land. Let's make a move like Reno is going to happen. We have a third round pick now because we've Muslim picks around thrown guy Deandra. Walker the edge out a Georgia. Now, this is a guy who you would say he profiles Moore's stand about side linebacker as he does. But how he's been rushing. You know, two hundred fifty five pound Brandon Graham off the edge in, you know, earn not how agenda it's been doing it, you know, with his hand under. He does not mind guys were light in the pants knee outside. So let like I think we're comfortable there. I really really liked but I found in walkers Tate, much more. So than I anticipated a guy who firstly full steps, and is the first guy off the ball, which is always a really fun dichotomy 'cause like if you teach him how to be in a better more balanced stance that he's gonna be even a little bit quicker out. Imagine coming off the snap as well wins with that first step, which is the number one kind of box that you wanna check your guys Jim is gonna like and then he's developed his hands. I think really nicely over the course of the season over the games that I saw developing more inside counters. But he he wins on the outside. He takes the edge really nicely can rush with till as good band. It's not amazing. But it's good band any work ripped pretty nicely as well. Strong against the run very active against run very like not like rand grandma's that one pursue play game. You're like why are you even here? You're not supposed to be on the side of the ball Walker again do that for Georgia's well where he just makes plays in the back to the no business making. So I really like his mold. I thought he was going to go to the senior bowl weekend. Kill it. He drops out with an injury. So he still under the radar. I'm not sure how greatest combine will be. I think is a good athlete. He's not a tremendous athlete. So he may be a guy whose name continues to stay a little bit of a quiet. But I was really impressed. I haven't near. I think top sixty grade from Malaga bennema was so concerned for you. Because every time record there's at least two sorry. What is going on in your neighborhood? On. There's there's a merciful fog it right now in Chicago. And so I'm worried that there's accidents is number one five let as as it's always been has been since we started this podcast. I live next to the fire facial just this this way. All new myself. You can bring it home. So let's take it home. Joe before we go remind the gentlest where they can find you and all of your work. Yeah. Genta listeners. Thanks for spending some time with me today. But smashed the follow button on Twitter at the joe-marie have a good time on their interacting. So at the Joe Moreno at draft network LLC. Thank you for joining us today. 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The One With Kemet Alston and BLM

Girl At The Game

46:47 min | 1 year ago

The One With Kemet Alston and BLM

"Off, you know, you don't know Mama song. Welcome to girl at the game the podcast by women for everyone in partnership with C L & S media where your hosts Gabrielle founder of girl at the game and a love Nelson. Hey guys, we took the normal show for you guys today tons of NBA news. They have a format for a return. The WNBA is in talks of doing the same thing, but it doesn't feel right to talk about how Major League Baseball is ruining itself. There are so many more important things that we have to talk about and we have an incredible interview later in the show as well. But this episode is about racism peaceful protests problems that have been going on in this country since before this country was even founded it is uncomfortable stuff and it's difficult stuff and as two white women, we know that it's not really our place to talk about a lot of this stuff which is why we have a guest whose dog. Talk to us about it. But we also felt like it was important to talk about the ways that were educating ourselves and some things that we've learned over the last week. It's been really thought opening learning the things that we've learned this week and it's been really hard to watch a lot of the things that are happening in this country, but this country can't stay the way that it's been weaned off and every person in this country needs to feel safe and accepted and loved we can't if we talked about wanting Sports to be a safe place for everybody or Hypocrites. If we don't talk about the world's leading to be a safe space for everybody, right and things have been said about the murder of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis or up in me of in Minneapolis Police Officer things have been said much more eloquently than the words we could even construct. I would like us to talk about some of the things that we've learned over the last week because I've log So much. I'm not going to make this about being Jewish. This isn't about anti-Semitism or Judaism. But somebody that I really admire wrote a nice thing on Instagram just talking as a Jewish person about all of this and said I'm writing this only a short distance from the reichstag building where Hitler first spoke of his plan for the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe in the following years the world watched a six million Jews were murdered in a barbaric effort to restore racial Purity across the continent in the last few days of reading and reflection. I learned how Hitler look to the Jim Crow laws in the United States and other legal codes based on white supremacy as inspiration for the first anti-jewish laws implemented in Germany to designate my people as subhuman. I am not trying to plug the Jewish plate into the current narrative for black lives. This isn't our struggle with one we must fight in because we too were once desperate for active allies and still depend on them today that really just stuck with me because it's true and at the end of the day what time? Keep coming back to is that all human beings underneath the color of our skin eyes hair the way we look we all have blood and bones and hearts and brains and that's what we all need to remember. Yeah. It's really sad to see for whatever reason that people have turned this into a political issue when it's a human rights issue. It's not right or left. It's just a should be outraged at the loss of life at the hands of our government and specifically right now, we're talking about black lives innocent black lives moved and that shouldn't be something that divides you but like I said, there are people who have said things so much more eloquently about these social justice issues. I grew up in a pretty small suburb of Springfield Mass. So very high African American population and my hometown in high school offered a pretty different experience than the city it bordered, you know dead. Like Christian Wilkins of the Miami Dolphins via Clemson is from Springfield and throughout the course of this entire week. I thought back about Christian because when he was young and in school, he lived with his grandfather for a while in Framingham, Massachusetts and the Framingham SWAT team just bombarded his grandfather's house one day and bought a stake in the killed him right there and on his own property in his own home my God, and that's something Christian Wilkins has had to live with and in spite of all things grew up to be just this incredible young man, but he spoke out the other day and it's well worth your time to seek it out on Instagram because I don't know of an athlete that it takes as close to home. There's men like that in the NFL and that's also why like for Drew Brees then to come out the other day and take it back to the 2016 protests and talk about how he doesn't agree with that it off. Like Drew Brees read the room like I really respected you and it's just how tone-deaf could you be? Somebody said he donated five million dollars to covid-19 and I replied being charitable is incredible. It doesn't buy you a free pass to say whatever you want. Especially when what you're saying is factually untrue moment of super honesty here because I got called out for this on Twitter and I don't agree with digging up people's past tweets from years ago to attack them with it when they're clearly not that person anymore. But when Colin Kaepernick was kneeling at the time I was dating a guy who I didn't know happened to be a trump supporter. I knew that he had more conservative views than me, but I didn't know that he was going to vote for Trump and when he told me that I ended up breaking up with him cuz I was like, I can't date a guy who supports this presidential candidate and We've joked about this before but now it's more serious. Like I don't follow football really dead. Didn't follow it at all in 2016. Like I've never been a football fan. And so I had no idea what was going on because I was in like my own little world like most of us are when it's something we're not a fan of her Wheels. Like like I didn't watch football. So what I started seeing people talking about Colin Kaepernick kneeling like on social media and stuff in the news, I asked my boyfriend because I was like a dating he's a huge football fan. I would like to know what's going on. And so I got bad information as a lot of us do when we ask a person that we trust instead of just like looking it up for cells. He said that Colin Kaepernick was kneeling because he was disrespecting the flag of America and being naive and not really focusing on it. I believed him. So at the top I'm that's what I thought and then when I found out that I was wrong I was so ashamed and I became a huge supporter of what Colin kapernick was doing because you know what I have family members that have served this country in the military wage. My cousin Mark died in Iraq. He was the first Jewish servicemen to die in Iraq. You're not disrespecting them because they're fighting for all Americans. He was protesting police brutality and for somebody to say 4 plus years later that that's what Colin kapernick was doing when it's not like for Drew Brees to say I will never respect anybody who disrespects the flag or this country. It's like you're just respecting what this country should be about and what this country was supposed to be about by saying that so annoying to me like, it's Drew Brees. This is not some. All right, that doesn't get that Colin Kaepernick protesting by kneeling was never about the flag or the anthem like you said, it was about police brutality Colin Kaepernick home early said that and it's like someone tells the thing is million times. I'm doing this for this reason and you say to them know you're doing it for this reason you don't get to tell them why they're doing it home. So many people don't realize cap was just going to sit on the bench and like not do anything and just not stand for the flag at all, like dunno demonstration. Like the demonstration was just going to be him sitting on the bench. It was a Green Beret Nate Boyer who played for the Seattle Seahawks that had a conversation with Colin Kaepernick about the protests because Kaepernick suck out his advice for how to go about it and it was the Green Beret that recommended kneeling for the flag because it was a literal sign of respect to fall in service members home. So it's literally people took the exact opposite of what he was trying to do also named where is well? Yeah. That's why it's so disappointing for Drew Brees to not understand that you are a future home and quarterback and the way you lead the the diverse locker room that every NFL team has is by not even understanding what they're actually fighting for dead. You got four years to have these conversations with your teammates or even just to like listen to Colin Kaepernick saying over and over. This is why I'm doing it. How many times does he have to say why he was doing something if you're taking offense to it for something else that's inside you Drew Brees being incensed by what Colin kapernick was doing speaks to what's inside Drew Brees home and that that's his priority more than listening to what Colin kapernick was saying he was doing and the reason he was dying and that's the thing is yeah Drew Brees both of his birth father served in World War Two when he looks up at the flag or here's the national anthem before he goes out and takes the field. I'm sure he gets a very patriotic prideful feeling and I think what this week if anything, I mean it should have happened four years ago in cap was doing this, but I think people are finally starting to realize that not everyone has to have those feelings when you look up a flag and I think song Adrian Foster really articulated this best if you didn't hear his interview on pardon my take on Monday's episode seek it out. It really says everything that needs to be said listening to him will really give you some perspective. I think like one of the biggest things that we're supposed to be doing right now is listening and to that end. I want to just quickly touch on a few things that we learned this week because we made a list hopefully it helps some people who are also trying to learn right now and then we are going to play this interview for you guys. This interview is really special. It kind of came about in an interesting way because Celtics Superstar Jaylen Brown used social media in the best way possible. He used social media to organize a peaceful protest. He drove 15 hours from from Boston to ensure that he could leave a positive and log Peaceful discourse during this protest and that just speaks volumes to like how much he cares about these issues and his native Georgia and the Atlanta area these incredible photos of Jalen at the March. He shared them on his social media and they were kind of going viral. So I reached out to one of the photographers just bought on a whim being like, I I really your photos were incredible. I would love to chat with you about them. His name is, tolston and it turns out that he is the grandson of a famous Civil Rights leader Andrew Young close co-worker and friend of dr. Martin Luther King Jr. And he went on to become a congressman for Georgia the United States ambassador to the UN and a multiple term mayor of the city of Atlanta. I had no idea about that when I reached out to him. It just turned out to be an incredible coincidence dead. And you'll hear his interview a little bit later in the episode, but I think to go back to what we've learned a little bit one of the biggest things I think for me definitely. And for a lot of people is Thursday, we don't speak out because we're worried that we're going to say the wrong thing and because a lot of the times people do say the wrong thing even with good intentions. This has happened so many times you say the wrong thing when you have a good intention and the way that social media and cancel culture works you get absolutely raked over the coals for it and took it is a huge deterrent for people who want to help want to support want to be an ally but we don't know if we're going to say the right thing. We don't know the right thing to say and one of the things that I've heard so much this week, it's it's okay to be vulnerable and honest about a the fact that we don't always know the right thing to say and be that we're probably going to say the wrong thing at least once but that's part of this month. Process one of the educational materials that I was reading and I shared it in my Instagram story. They talked about shame the shame of realizing white privilege and racism in society and it said that page is paralyzing but that ends up being counterproductive and the quote was remember you were brought up in a racist world that thrives on a lack of compassion you are deserving of compassion because we're both deserving we need to treat ourselves with compassion so that we can move towards action basically talking about that when you let yourself get swallowed up in the shame of realizing like the foundation of like your life is a white person you end up not doing anything about it which prevents change like right now we like with every thing going on in the world right. Now A lot of people are just forgetting that we're living in a global pandemic were not supposed to be around other people. We're supposed to be social distancing and so my situation having immunocompromised family members. I can't go to a protest wage. And I felt guilty about that this week because in normal times like I was at Women's marches a few years ago. I would be at these protests but I can't be and instead of beating myself up for that long to remember that small actions and things we can do at home are just as necessary and important as big actions. So if you can't protest you can sign petitions you can donate money you can educate family members and have difficult conversations with people who don't agree with you and try to help them understand you can make calls and emails to elected officials in local and National offices and you can support Bush says owned by people of color. It's not a one-lane highway. There are so many ways that you can help make a difference. If you can't protest I've spent my week donating money signing petitions reading listening to podcasts ordering books because those are the things that I can do instead of focusing on the things that you can't do focus on the things that you can do and I do want to say also log Like I think it needs to go beyond posting something on social media and make everyone making a statement and it's I mean the Charities absolutely deserve the money, but it needs to be more than just throwing money at the problem. You know what I mean? Like a bunch of white people on Instagram like oh this is how much I donated like what are you doing in your actual everyday life? Because we always have something no matter what job we do what hobbies we have. There's things we can do in our daily routines to affect positive change and you no matter how big or small your platform is. Yeah, and I've kind of looked at myself and how I can do that and I think about the foundation of my job or at least what I aspire to do with the ideals of journalism, right and it's to tell stories that bring different people and perspectives together and to hold companies organizations and the government accountable. And perhaps most importantly to give people the information they need about our society in order to help them make an informed decision and I'm really fortunate to get to do that through the lens of sports package over the most diverse products the world has to offer right? So, like I said, I'm from right outside of Springfield and after graduation from college one of my first jobs was covering High School sports and getting to tell stories similar to Christian Wilkins sharing these stories of the people that have different perspectives than us is just it's so in life, you know, and it's like athletes and sports are just one of the best vehicles I think for talking about these issues and making people care about them. Absolutely and like I said, everybody has a different role to play. I think that another thing that's really important is remembering that people can change. I see this so much online people want to dig up old tweets. They want to cancel people if you see that somebody tweeted something stupid like five ten years ago, but they're clearly not that person anymore. You want people to change but you don't allow for the possibility that they have changed that they become a better person. It's not productive to be canceling people for who they were as opposed to a using your own time in your own life to make this world a better place and be allowing for the possibility that maybe somebody else wants to be a better person and is using their time now in the present to make this world better for the future somebody tweeted something like normal eyes changing your opinion when you learn new information. Anyway, the last thing that we want to talk about before we play this interview for you is today is Brianna Taylor's birthday. If you don't know who she was she was a black woman who was murdered by the police in her own home. It is such a messed up story. It's the kind of thing where it really makes you realize how twisted and messed up America's police system is like legal system is that this happened? Because Brianna Taylor was asleep in her own home and the police were attempting to complete a drug sting two months ago. They broke down the door to her apartment and shot her eight times. She was murdered and the thing that is so awful even more awful about this. First of all is that she was a BMT. She was on the front lines of covid-19. Team saving people's lives and not only that but the man involved in the drug ring that they were looking for had already been arrested earlier that day and was in police custody. So they murdered her for no reason in and absolutely nothing to do with her to begin with. It was yeah. It's like what happened to them and Wilkins grandfather and his home own home just years later and months ago with the African American man in his own home that was killed by a drunk white police officer that stumbled into the wrong house wage. Like it's just this is a pattern and we need to break it. Somebody made a beautiful website with all of the ways that you can help with Taylor's case which has officially been reopened as of yesterday. The link to help is in the episode description for today's episode. You can sign petitions you can send off There are a lot of things that you can do and we hope that you will do them with us. I celebrated my birthday yesterday and I couldn't stop thinking about the fact that this beautiful young woman who was trying to save people's lives was brutally murdered and wouldn't get to celebrate hers today. So this episode is dedicated to Brianna Taylor that might sound hollow off or not enough. I feel like basically nothing we ever say is going to be enough because there aren't any words that can make this better coming from us, but we want we just want to help we want to do everything we can and that's why this episode is the way that it is today. And with that we're going to play this interview for you with the wonderful come at Austin who really opened up to us about his experience and we were so honored to pass the microphone to him off. All right, we now welcome on combat Alston commit you were down in Atlanta in the last few days is and you happen to photograph the peaceful protest. That was led by Boston Celtics Jaylen Brown. We would love to talk to you about how you got involved with that. If you guys haven't seen the photographs that he took they were really powerful images of this protest. So for me, it was it was random a friend of mine reached out to me and said do you want to go to a protest today? You know, I said sure I've been wanting to go to a view and there was one before that actually that I had missed. I'm going to know how bout no human the detail she found out through Twitter So lately, you know, Twitter's been that place the place you go to to find the news to find the protest to find people who want to make money. Saying and so, you know, I saw it said, you know Jaylen Brown and he said, you know, I wanted to be a peaceful protest and for me that's that's what I want to be a part of. I understand they have not going on. But in my opinion there's different ways to go about it. And you know, if you can be applied to them as peaceful but still, you know, speak the truth speak your mind. I feel you know, that's where I'm all about. So, yeah, so I saw it and I decided to go and that's how I found out about it through Twitter. I found it out about it the same way as you however long in Boston. I'm interested to hear from your perspective because all I saw was limited Instagram lives and video. So your perspective on life kinds of things he was saying and the way in which he was leading this protest. Were you a Jaylen Brown fan? What did you think of him kind of prior to this? Cuz I know he's in Atlanta, Georgia. Area native, correct. Honestly, I didn't know he was from Atlanta. I kind of found that out, you know that day. I do follow, you know, I love for God what you know, I don't necessarily follow him and typically what when I saw that, you know, he was doing this I said, you know what that's powerful because we need our young people we need our Pikachu have to have that flat one to come out and speak and it's generation in the aren't there aren't people like we had you know on this device movies. They don't have these mountains between we don't have the I don't have the Bonaparte you don't we don't have these people until who are these people that have a platform that are willing to take on me because we all know that Jessica have a platform doesn't mean a thing, because we might not have the right thing. So for him the things that he was saying one of the biggest things I took away was well, I'm twenty-three. I'm just like you guys don't look at me. Indifferent I told $15 a year because I care not because of you know this person and I can you know, I'm a celebrity this time. I am twenty-three young like new guy, you know, I understand. What about the fighting for don't look at me any different and the biggest thing, you know, I want you to be a peaceful protest Speak Your Truth speak with on your mind off the right way and that's when you pressing the whole time and as you know walking, you know, and it's different, you know, like you hear, you know in any protests, but you know there weren't anybody's name what name Bonnie trying to connect with these people and I think I like the fact to that instead of starting to CNN. Like we're supposed to start off. You know, I'm okay Memorial and so that whole District the whole area that we were in marketing towards the capital, you know with black on the whole street black on stores their birth. Fine or whatever you call it, you know it's a black one area. So, you know, of course, we're not trying to we don't we don't want to mess our own space. But but outside of that like judging people who appreciated the fact that looked at these people none of us want, you know, anything wrong to going on. I thought that was great and I thought that was something that I was proud to be a part of. Yeah, that's really incredible stood out to me the most was like you said jailen took the initiative to drive 15 hours from Boston to Atlanta. I've never really been to Atlanta Beyond a few hours wage on a few layovers. But I mean what everyone knows about it is it it's a champion city of black culture and African American culture. So the fact that he would feel so compelled to drive down make sure that protests work done peacefully and try to at least have some part in making sure of that be a leader for that piece, right? I I totally agree and you suck. The fact that he let everybody know this is also my town. I'm from here and you know, I'm not just saying look in Atlanta for a hot place to be when you coming here because I can bring a few years now knowing the news and the signup know like well, I'm from here and I know for a fact that I care enough about what's going on and I want to do it in my own soil because you could have just he could have put together in age. Could I put together a protest know in Boston and you know that and done the same thing, you know make it a peaceful protest, you know doing in boxes like that know like I care so much for what's going on and I can check what I see in my city of Atlanta and I have to be here I see so I heard that I've never seen in Atlanta. You know, we see all these things that happen, you know in other cities which is it's it's awful terrible, you know, what's going on is it's hard to deal with but I'm twenty-nine. So in the last twenty nine minutes what I've seen in the last couple days in Atlanta, I've never seen it seen on T was dead. That is not home town and know that wow, this is really happened in my family my town where I live where I'm from. So I feel like you know that right there trucks coming in him and said it's holding powerful, but for me to feel like I'm doing something I have to take it back to my hometown have to take it back to where I was raised to where I became the mayonnaise. I don't let people know that my boyfriend even heard I'm with you and I'm going to come back in my city and show you how serious I am how much I care. That's really incredible before we started recording you were talking about how the media is portraying these peaceful protests and these protests in general because some of them have become not so peaceful. I'm curious what your experience at the protest was like compared to how the media has been portraying it because I think people aren't asking enough of the people who are actually their proteges. Sing what their experience was and they're just listening and looking at how it's being portrayed online and in the news and I think that's a big problem. Right? I agree for me. I find what you know, if you mean I mean we forget that a lot of these do start, you know, ask people protest we missed that part because the media in the news are so engaged on the edge of my turned down over this and so drawn into it because at the end of the day with new unfortunate, but it's about ratings, you know about keeping up, you know with the ratings and about how long we keep you know, our people engaged and how do we treat you know inspections going and you know drama unfortunately is what keeps me going so I can go back to the first day that we have that here, you know in Atlanta Friday. A lot of people don't realize that outside of seeing over at Centennial Park. There was a whole other protests that actually the city of Atlanta knew about You know, I don't very peaceful. It was something to the capital and it went right. I wish I would I would have been a part of it but it was beautiful, you know had a friend that went and did and when a great job on the way back, you know other people started coming other people started, you know going towards me and and so even when there's his powerful thing going on over ten ten year old wage people speaking people trying to figure out how do we make change wouldn't accept the new can't do anything but go over here because this is the Hot Topic this is this, you know, fortunately he went to sleep. So for me wrong with the news, you know, my camera to Showcase that looks there are people protested are people that do care that do want to see change unless you change the right way and it just goes back to the media to having, you know, having the time to speak to these people, you know, there's no busy on you know, just things near people who are in that fight, you know, oh the so-called, you know negativity, you know, I think that wage So much tell from me saying apart by Jalen did and being able to show how poor photos outside of police brutality without outside of you know, from time in the church has a Superior Funeral home because even have powerful moment that don't necessarily need a heavy artillery or need climbing or need people yelling or people under stairs yelling cuz going is okay. But what happened is Henry confrontation between if you want to please, you know, you don't necessarily need that to Showcase how strong and how powerful, you know protest our flag and their time and time of positivity and what people are doing, you know on the front line and what people are doing, you know, as people trying to make change you to protest So to go off what you just said after the protests Jaylen Brown was tweeting that three people had been wrongfully arrested and he was looking to get their information and presumably to help them out if they needed bail or anything, but he was kind of vague about where that all went down. So I'm wondering if you were able to see any of that or if that happened with the protests that was being led by Jalen. So I befriended I mean I was there the whole time and then I kind of tipped off for you know whole Car Fax thing, but I will say this as we were walking, you know, we did have a moment when we when we get stopped and you know, he was like almost like half half the people weren't wanted one area wage other half on you know, what back door and turns out be with you in with the police at that time from what I know one person almost got arrested, but you know as I was walking dead. You know it all kind of happened so fast, you know what I'm saying, like five or so minutes the situation was kind of over with and we can't marketing and so they could have been something you know that happened after I left but I did not know that jailing was so heavy me about making sure that this was a tawdry protest, you know a safe one. So, you know, that's just wasting that only lasted five minutes about somebody who's really really wants to see it being a safe and you know positive protest who know they could have gotten worse but I mean for me, like I said, I only know that at that time one person off the tank we weren't getting arrested like didn't you know and we kept him moving and I left and I I didn't think anybody did did get arrested but like you said, you know after the fact I thought you said three people I didn't see anything. I didn't see three people are here about that until after the fact better that people didn't get arrested, but we just hope everybody was safe and able to log Protest peacefully, I know that in Boston there was peaceful protesting and then some buildings got set on fire and looted and that of course then casts a bad luck on the entire beautiful peaceful coming together of people to fight for a very important cause right. I'm going to see someone that's true people want to forget that, you know, a lot of these protests are people. I mean, I would probably say 85% you know, I mean protest or whatever 90% you know, their intentions are very peaceful, but then I you know it just something giving group just seem to come in and put that little flame or that little spark in somewhere and you know with what we're dealing with what everybody's doing with, you know, they starting to get this rain, you know from their heart and it's because everybody has a reason to feel like you have a reason to press the way they want. You know, what we do have people who rely name. Certain people to react on a little easier until they want to put the extra flame in and then allow for it just to blow and it's unfortunate, you know, because like you said it takes away from all a great thing that you know people in organizations are doing in America. Absolutely you said on the caption for your beautiful photos this camera of mine is my weapon and I choose to shoot people for good not hate our voices need to be heard and these photos are my voice for the people and I think that's so beautiful because you marched peacefully you protested peacefully you took these photos to commemorate and share with the world. It's just I'm just blown away by what Jalen organized and what all of you did we would love for you to tell people where they can see photographs where they can find you on social media so that they can support you and just anything that you think people should know about these protests or a message that you have for this month. Yeah, I'm making is right now. Everybody's going through something everybody. Something is different in the way they feel so we we have people can't get along with each other about how we want to agree with this point America in a situation where you know, people have done so many different things and so many different things haven't worked better than others wage is hard and so we we people have to sit back and tell you know, what I get it and understand you are allowed to cry. We all have our differences in the what I might be but we would just have to tell you know, what America and you know as a whole in going to get better as far as what's being torn down or this sign up there, you know, we have to realize sometimes you know, a life is more important than you know, and they building over here what not, you know that time and it's hard to say but you know, we have to allow people to time and green and whatever that is for them. You know, we have to pay know what that's how you want to dead. I'm not allow you to grieve right now, you know and so for me when it comes to my photos, everybody has a purpose, you know, not everybody's perfect is off on that front line everybody, you know to go out there and help people, you know, your presence might be, you know, donate your purpose might be to put out a post your service might be just to play with em, you know, but for me, you know, I sit here and grand time, you know, I was like, what do I do? You know if I ask me so much of what my grandfather's doing and it's like okay, you know he had time now. What can I what can I do? And so for me it's photography, you know photography and Powerful things. We you know, the way I started was doing things in Africa and shooting and so I've I've always had this love for telling, you know, positive stories and telling stories that wage. You know might be a little scary but you know in the meaning behind it. So for me in this moment the way that I help me is you know and take it slow and allowing people who maybe don't want to see the negative with the positive and can see the positive grieving and the positive hurt, you know in a scent and so at the end of the day everybody has a purpose and you can't tell from what they should do. What they shouldn't do as far as how to help. You know, that people want to see my photos, you know, they can they can check me out on Instagram then a few places. You can go chaos and photos K and N A l s t o n photos or they can go to my media page and my phone will be up in the rep named diverse. Mini d i v as in victor e r s underscore media and that's how they can you know, check out my photos and on my main page. Pain, I mean I'll be putting a I'll probably put out a little more. So yeah, that's where you know if they want to you know, check out what I've done and hopefully, you know in the next few days, you know, I can make it to another protest and do my part, you know by you know, speaking my truth speaking how I feel and being able to document, you know, the positive it's nothing wrong with documenting the hard thing too. Because you know people have to understand the reality for the same time though there I want to be able to show a balance a balance of here, you know the positive side when understand that everything's not perfect. And so there's going to be this song and America, you know, I I think we it's time to figure out you know, what that next step America hears our cries, you know, it's beautiful how many states how many people that come together, you know, never have I don't think we've ever had nothing to protest years. And so I think people are here. I think people hear the cries and now, you know after the new guy off. No, what do we do next? You know? What? What's the next? You know, I can't just be like processing the media's out here. What do we do next? What are the next steps? I think we're going to be I think you should find a way it's time. I think like I said people have heard the cry. They they've heard the cry. So I think we're going to be on like we're going to find a way it's not going to be a fast. It's not coming in fast anything but you know, I think we don't we don't we don't take that and and thing things going to start but I think the biggest thing that we can do first outside of protesting and God and that's what it is, you know, it's you know in our town talking to a little TV box not counting without a boat without a Boat Boat Boat and let me do that, you know, we can bring in the fact that we feel like can help make change. And so yeah that pretty much it. Come out. Thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us and share your story. You mentioned your grandfather. So just for the listeners who don't know your grandfather. There was one of the early civil rights leaders and he worked closely with Martin Luther King and then went on to become actually the mayor of Atlanta. So the fact that you're speaking to us about your peaceful protest experience in Atlanta. It's just a really powerful story and we're just so grateful that you shared it with us. Thank you so much and we're so grateful that you shared your faith Fe with the world. The photos are incredible. That's not me. I I really appreciate you know, you guys taking out the time that you know, speak to people who had some choice because end of the day we just want to uplift I'm going to make sure that positivity comes out of it, you know, we want to go back, you know, seven years one hundred years, whatever maybe we don't we don't want to go back to that page. No, I mean, we just want to change what part of table and you know, you guys been able to talk to people who want that change and one in a positive way. That's a big thing and tell you I appreciate you guys for that are slowly The Only Way Forward is with love and kindness not with hatred and violence, and we're just so grateful that you shared all of this with us today. Thank you so much. No problem. Thank you. We hope you enjoyed that interview. I know it was pretty powerful to kind of get that first-hand account of what it was like to be with Jaylin at the protests and just so admirable now we want to direct you guys took some resources and places you can donate and further educate yourselves join color of change its free and they'll direct you to online campaigns and power and help fight Injustice and black community that all you need to do is sign up and they'll literally just email you important petitions to sign and things that you can do. 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The BlowHole 2020 Wk16: Pats Eliminated from Playoffs! One step closer to Dolphins Playoff game!

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The BlowHole 2020 Wk16: Pats Eliminated from Playoffs! One step closer to Dolphins Playoff game!

"Ninety five biggest wins in nineteen eighty-four. Maybe you made that greetings loyalism. You're listening to the blowhole finsider radio this evening. You have the distinct pleasure of listening to myself. James radio live in-studio once again joined by my co host. Rob cast rob. Have you purchase your christian wilkins jersey yet. Oh yeah i did. I purchased it but advised off your leg. My foot was on the line so they didn't let me keep it understandable understandable boy. That was that after that happened. I was and i didn't even need to see the replay. I was like this is. This is good for the dolphins too. There's some some weird things going to have happened and that was. I actually had terrible. Like i had like an an internet blip and like all my screens froze and like mike. What's going on. And then then one thing started playing. And i see howard running down the field. Am i just miss him. By the time. I get it back. They're like coming back from review. I'm like it was it was very. It was a very nice play by the rookie brandon. Jones who has who's caught some heat this year for not being out that much and you know maybe they drafted him to high really i. I guess i didn't really pay much attention to him where he was drafted. Because you had a million draft seventeen seven pick but it was still like within the top like sixty six. But but i'm pleasant. I'm pleasantly surprised. Like i enjoy i- i- brinkley's actually played all right. Like i think he's been i think he's been fine. I i mean for as far as a rookie. I mean it was. That was a nice play like to punch the ball out like that. And also because cams there was one of those one of those sa- one of the sax i forgot who did it but like he came around and had like like he hit that ball and like it looked like it was like six hundred foot tons of pressure pulling the cameras like that did not even move out of his hands at guy. He's still strong. Even his arm is not strong so he can't throw handsome but yeah so and it was just like one of the most often things ever like like literally like his toe was on the line and the ball. I mean that's that was an odd. I mean he was the right call. Yeah i'm not clearly but it was just like yeah it sucked but it it. It is lord of this wouldn't have been there like howard would have gotten the ball and scored just yeah. That was at the at that point in the game i was. I was pretty distraught because things were not looking so hot for the miami dolphins. I never had that. I know they were clearly the better team on sunday as we were talking about. I've yes from start to finish. They definitely looked like the better team. I just had that sick feeling in my stomach like when it was it was almost like right before that play happened. You know there was like four minutes left in the half and they were down three. Nothing in the patriots are moving down the field again and it was like we've been the better team and we're gonna be down well at that point. Those are the patriots had a long drive. We feel we had a long drive. We had the interception. We'll get into that then. They had another long drive and it was right then and we almost got. The turnovers will have been great and then of course they get. They ended up a field goal but even they had they had a few drive while guess they had probably four. They all resulted field goals right but i mean i said it last week. I didn't i said. I didn't think this team was going to score more than ten points. Granted they got twelve. But i i i. I didn't see that we knew they'd be able to run the ball a little but i didn't think they'd be able to sustain you know enough long drives or to to get into the end zone and we were right. The defense was great like hats off to them. They had one turnover right at the s. The dave howard forced the fumble in the second half. We'll get we'll go through the game recap but They coulda had a couple more like there was that there was the play we talked about. there was a pastor went through vanoise hands But the the funniest part of that. I think the xbox intercepts that event did you see in position. They were there they were. They were both there so that was but yeah they got the one turnovers of the streak is alive. The turnover streak Which is great and they did. They played very very well. They they made the adjustments. They stopped the patriots running game. We know cam can't throw the ball now so you know. He made a couple throws over the middle. That seems to be all he can do. He had a couple of runs but but not like he did in the. I know yeah no. The i series was was gorgeous right the well so the first play now that will go where every play but that three and that was awesome. I play cam. Brutally misses a guy in latte and he looked kind of alone. I don't think would've been a first down but at only six or seven it would have been a good first downplay. But i mean that guy was alone anymore. I mean three yards. I mean he was not. It wasn't even close. He had a couple throws like that. I mean the second play they run the option and the dolphins were all over yet they strung out were guys waiting for michelle and they were and they hemmed it in and i got lost a yard or got nothing and the third play. They ran a wide receiver screen. That we were like. No we know invite by doing so we can. We can be clear like this. Obviously everybody knows us. Mrs just stating the obvious. This is not the patriots that were used to. Oh no this is. The i'm used to this patriots. I'm ready for it. I'm used to it. It feels like an old shoe. I want to wear it for twenty years. I hope this is the patriots. But their defense is still respectable. Yes defense is still respectable. They played their defense played. A good game. I mean our offense. Was you know it was two of you. Know most of our top offensive line and then practice squad position players including including augment. Who who's the practice squad guy right. Let's be honest. Yeah but Smyth and shaheen are sm- our complete. Nfl backup players are not practice squad. She he'd look. I mean those are. They're good t- they're serviceable titans. I really liked the way they played on sunday and i liked how they work them into the offense. I am never a fan of like seeing you know the short we'd do short passes any short passes but but how many times does shaheen. You think he's gonna get one yard and he runs up that sideline for like eleven yard. He's an animal like it's a lot of fun. Yeah i do. I mean he was the second round. Pick yeah i mean you know it. He's he's a good. He's a solid blocker. He has decent hands and he can run guys over. He's a good. He's good running with the ball for a tight end. He's like one of those old school tight ends like mark bavaro type and you union say that. Yeah thanks So the first half. So let's the dolphins marched down the field. That was that was their first possession of the game so the the patriots three out. Then they kick they pin the dolphins back to Do you wanna talk about the the first play of that drive. 'cause i know who's your favorite player. It wasn't it was. It was big one for me. So i don't the the weirdest thing we didn't predict was that the dolphins we're going to run all over because we have is done that we haven't run well at times this year and dominant and we said last week that you know you know obviously to against ballot check you know. In his first year is a little scary yup and florez seemed to know it and gaily seemed to know it. And they're like well we're gonna we're gonna do you know. Make him do as little as he has to write so he comes out pinned in his star game off first possession punt down at the two at the two and everyone knows you're running it you kind of hate that they run it but you have to because you're trying to get some run akkhmed gets the ball. And he's met at the line of scrimmage and then that whole pile moves for your not four inches not four yards. That whole pile just keeps moving. Did kind of set the tone for the afternoon. It was awesome because second and six. You know with a little bit more room you know between you and the and the goal line is is huge there yep and it was a great drive. I mean really like. They moved down the field. It was it was you know it was dink dunk. Gay manager type stuff from two of what i mean. He didn't make any mistakes. Made all throws word on time on target. the running. The running game was working as it was the entire afternoon. They get down You know to was that a second and play that the that the pick captain No i went and looked it up. it was third. It was during the third and goal so their third and goal from the to Watching that play on television bowden is open right away. Like he's open in the flat to make that if he's able to make that throw immediately make that read. Make that throw. He couldn't 'cause they're i guess they're you know he had some pressure so we had to step up The throws three three seconds too late and then he gets hit as he throws and just a horrid interception yes and then and then the patriots takeover you know deep in dolphin territory. But then they marched down the field and get a fuel so just a lot of clock beanie here so there's not a lot of time left as we get into the second quarter. There's one thing we have to back up. 'cause you were incorrect. That was not their first drive Their first drive was the three and out with layered was super close to the first down added flora's challenged it and they were just like to me. He won the challenge. The spot was wrong. It might not have been first down right. Yard short of a rare cats right. I forgot about that. So so that part i thought was. I thought that was one of those rare like okay. This is their second drive. They started yes. That's right that is right. And i forgot about and but i did want to bring it up because the challenge you know all the challenge comes up later and we'll probably talk about that because i did not have a problem with it because of the time of the game for the second child but we'll get into look at the half down so anyway all right so i forgot about the three now but yeah that again. There were some place that you know. They seemed like they were moving the ball. Well like an i. i like. They're conservative style. Even though all year. I've kind of been belabouring that they've been conserved to conservative but they they kind of had to be on sunday and it and it works in the in. The long run ended up. We ended up with the victory but patriots starts deep dolphins territory after that horrid interception and then they marched down the field and We end up pulling them to a field goal now after that You know the dolphins get the ball again. we do not get into Position we have to punt patriots. Get the ball back. And then they start. Moving that position to that was the one with the with with Ach meds terrible Pass coverage or right art blocking yes for as well as augment played his. He's clearly got some shortcomings in in the past pro. So he's not very good. I mean he had the right read he correct could he did not block even get in his way correct. Yeah that was that was and then we had a stall start so that that whole that and then whatever we gave it to layered on third million. Yeah seuss kind of like the first half was kind of outside of the long drive that we had. I mean there really wasn't a lot going on the offense and it didn't you know it was weird and the patriots rian o'clock and we were eating up clock as we were doing that. Conservative offense so the patriots and they they have that drive. That's towards the end of the half to about four minutes. Left cam makes that run. On third down and brandon jones comes up makes a really good play knocks the ball out of his hands experts. It up ruled a touchdown on the field correct call. The ball did hit christian wilkins leg before x. Picked it up just a just a bad break for the dolphins so it ends up being fourth down for the patriots. Go up six nothing then. Dolphins could have been seven if all the bounces rowing our way that the seven three or even even ten three. Because if because if you're saying we're getting all the brakes we don't throw the pick we even. If we just get a field goal. There could be seventeen. I mean we could correct. Yeah we could have been way up. Yeah going into halftime. Like had they scored the touchdown at both had scored both of those touchdowns and then we end up getting the ball back well. We wouldn't field goal that we missed anyway. Sir would have been forty whatever either so that officer the ball back down six. Nothing to early denies canada. Minute drive to get us into field goal range. It's a long field goal for sanders. Well before we get to the field goal it was kind of interesting. We got that fourth and eight right and they went for it and they went for it. I just wanted to bring that up because that was that to me that you know more of that call. I love it. but that's not worn. I i didn't expect it i. That's a call because you knew there was twenty seconds left on the clock and cam can cam's not they're not moving. You're not getting into field goal range so but so i did. I loved the call. The fourth eight we get it sets up sanders worth. Yeah it's definitely makeable for him. He just he and he didn't make it unfortunately did not make it so he is thirty of thirty three on the season nadal. Better than just the talk so go to halftime six nothing. I know. we're getting the ball back. But i at that at that. I didn't feel good. 'cause we like you said like we were the better team should have probably been up fourteen three but we're down six. Nothing i didn't. I wasn't worried because we were moving the ball and we were you know. Even though they had a couple of drives. I thought our defense was was out playing them. I really especially getting the ball. I i'm like this one possession. I'm like i was not worried at this point. It's chess match right at that point. It's like you know who's we know like. We know what we know what cam can do like they knew like we were very very short handed on offense like i was just. I was worried that you know we miss some like we miss them opportunities to to be ahead and this is a patriot team now now. Belgium can scheme maybe to. It doesn't do anything in the second half at that point in time. I'm thinking you know. Maybe this is the scenario that i talked about with you last week. Like maybe that's when this when we put when we put fits in in the third quarter sat blows my mind. I didn't even that didn't even faze me with the way the will the offense was moving. I never thought about fitzpatrick once in that game. That's good. i'm it crossed my mind. Obviously i'm glad we didn't do it up. Pessimist i am should do you need i. I've been a dolphins fan. Since i was four years old antidepressants anyway. So i wasn't saying. Make the switch at halftime. But you know. I was thinking about like i was like it was crossing my mind at that point like if we come out. Get the ball. And don't do anything on offense. Then like i was thinking we had to start thinking about it. That is not what happened. We get the ball at halftime. We are right. Down the field and score a touchdown mostly running the ball boom. Yeah what's great So we go up seven six Is that was the which was that. Man scoring that touchdown or was that was that to know that was occupants augment squirted. I'm the one i was trying to remember. On one of those touchdown drives it was like there was like the. Oh i don't think it was this one so it was one of the plays where he's rolling out and like ford. Did that little dribble. You know kinda dribbled out of from blocking and gets behind. And i love what we run that. Play really well where you see. He's really looking towards somebody else. And four just kind of slips in there and two of saw it made the read got within Got us either. The first downer got it really close to the goal line at one. I i want to be very clear. Like i feel like to a plate in his numbers. Don't really show it. They're not asking him to do anything i thought he played. I mean talent. Is there like. I feel more confident about him at the physician than any other. I i can't remember like i'm not saying he's he is marino. But i was saying like what were you have to remember. Is he's succeeding. Yes he only through one hundred and forty six or twenty six which is had a crazy that has his number one wide receiver. Was lynn boden. Junior who's a quarterback at kentucky. Last year his number two wide receiver was mac collins who is a sixth string special team player his number three wide receiver is missouri fourth backward. You're right at ferry right. That's i mean that's not a murderer's row. I mean those nights. I like them all but they are literally fourth. They should be fourth and lower on the daft. I was not feeling good about this game when i heard the second part. We're playing because last week when we do the podcast. We were under the assumption that they were both playing and it looked like they were gonna play late in the week when i saw the announcement right before kickoff that they weren't playing i was like no sunday morning. There was a report saying. Parker was going to play right before he was listed as inactive ios. Just but that gives me very good hope of him playing this week. I yes hopefully. And we'll get into next week in the next segment but dolphins score on that that opening drive and then i'm feeling pretty good about the end. We never looked back. Well we did because the patriots and went down went. Let's right. They went up twelve nine that while they want to. Nine seven coordinate this other so they went up nine seven I forget kind of how the scoring ended up happening. I feel like the game in the second half was very like the dolphins had the ball they marched and they scored pretty much like every every possession. It was just a lot of clock be so after our touchdown they was the fumble was when howard not the ball out of their hands. That's where we got it right back but we didn't do anything with it. We went three and out correct. That's right and that was i. I and that was a great play by off awesome. Yeah but we went three and out so we didn't. We didn't actually capitalize on that. And then they have your eyes for the field goal correct so they so they gained some momentum there then after they took the lead back. That's when we went downfield. But i iguana noggin. E is not allowed to run out of the end zone ever again. I've i've realized that ball was right there but you could let that go. You don't have to catch that ball. He's what nineteen years old or whatever. I think he's sixteen new six. I'm i'm not. i'm holding out. Hope that he turns into the player. We wanted to be but he didn't draft him to be a kick return. I know it's that's why grant is one of the best players on the team but it's also but this isn't the first time he's run out of the end zone when he shouldn't have so no. I mean exactly. I like there. I feel it's odd. Like i feel like there has to be a better than eggnog. Anita when kickbacks from grant can't or just don't if your feeder in the end zone they stay in the end zone whatever so so he gets to the ten. This was so we're starting again at the ten and then we hit the ninety yard. Ninety are drive and added driveways. That drive was magnificent. It was that and that was the one where we i mean. They weren't just running. We were running. We were like thirty. You know. Ahmed had a thirty. Something yard run brita had a couple of huge runs like we were crushing. We crushed it. Yeah and i have to say like so brita runs in the first half but and then the second half like he was both of the running backs were just they were great. I mean ach. I think struggles a little bit past pro. I mean the guys. he's a practice. Squad undrafted running back out of washington like he's a rookie like he's you know he's not. He's a smaller type of running back. I've i've been being this all year like i. I still feel like breda is the best running back on this team. Like i feel like he looked like the better running back on sunday. He didn't get as many care he's might look good. I'm not complaining. They both looked great. That's not what i'm saying. I'm just like i don't like is there. What am i missing. Because breeders good impasse pro like he's a he's played like he's he's good in the past game he can get good hands. He i mean to a he looks like he's about to break he just seems like the better running back like i. I don't. I don't know there's something i'm missing correct. But they both had great games. Like i mean. The running game was was fantast. We're not we're missing the biggest run play of that drive on a play. I normally this is why running the ball is. It's not exciting. When you're tickets are unreliable touchdown then. Well no i would disagree but whatever you're going to say i disagree with but all right when i say you're gonna change your mind but i'm just saying it's watching a team that can run the ball it will. It's amazing it's not as it's not exciting. No but it's amazing. Correct the play that ninety nine times out of one hundred you scream and wanna break the. Tv is on third and eight and they had and he runs for twelve yards. That was amazing. That was amazing and that was a great play and that was the second best running play on draft which was the best running clan. The dry for me was the third and goal where to ahead already thrown a pick on a very similar play. I mean it was the same spot it was. It was almost the same situation correct. So he's he's facing pressure and instead of trying to force a ball in there that was going to be late. He makes the duke ducks under the pressure. Runs up makes another juke right before the goal line and gets in and scores and my god that was that for me saga best run of the drive by and just just to see him learn first of all it might be anecdotal but if i swear it looks like this guy only makes a mistake once and like and it's just like like a like a like a. I like a computer. He's like i compute. That was bad. I will never do that again. Yeah so and at the end it's just like the it's just a feeling about him and like watching him play and i really wanna see him like with the offense like after having like enough time under of where they like. Open things up. We've seen at a time this year. Like we saw in the casey game you know again. He was still plan with practice. Squad guys in that game Did the arizona. Game was another one when they when they when they needed him. He showed up And yeah and then on. Sunday was again like shorthanded against the a defense. That was clearly taking the pass away from him. They're pressuring him there blitzing him. They were making sure that he wasn't going to be able to take any shots down. Field like none of that was happening but he took what they gave him like. Obviously it was it was mostly runs. I mean if you have a third nate and gets you know nine or ten yards like that obviously helps don't but yeah so they go up and then how great was the two point conversion. Oh it all seem to waste to use that play there. I remember somebody who's saying that who watching with it seems kind of a waste of use it on two point conversion by two point conversion hook ladder even that big of a deal to get the two point conversion. They're like it's more of a now year old enough to remember the original hook and ladder. Yes how did this compare that one. You know not really is. I mean. we're not talking about play on of seventeen our playoff game but that was that the original hook and ladder was before halftime correct. Like it was like. It wasn't like a i think. So but that game was like that game was i. It was a mary. One scored like every possession practically scored was like no in the second half is going into going into halftime. The dolphins were murdered than they had that that hook and ladder like kept him in the game so anyway yeah loved to see that. When was the we're missing the fake punt. When did the did the fake punt happened after so think handled after right after the hook and ladder or the fake. The fake punt happened before that because it was it was obviously was because we punted right after it right so yeah so it was before we took the lead in the fourth quarter. So the fake punt. Let's let's talk about that because we missed it but there was. There was a drive where the dolphins had a you know. it was just one of those those fourth shorts. in like no-man's-land. It was too too long for fuel goal but it was. You're not giving up a lot of field position if you take the shot. I wasn't a fan of like when it was happening because it took forever for that. It was scary. I was yeah i was. I was definitely yelling at the screen own so this was the so by the way this was this was the drive. That's right after they fumbled. This was that drive after their fumble. So we were trying to get it and we had momentum and we have now and the place on the end was and we were at like at that forty five yard something so about the throw that hawk made was that was a throw it was like i mean the guy was wide open. I mean by the time to throw got listen by the time the got the throw got there. He was not wide open but a great catch by by hills well and he swears that he reported eligible. Which is really. I didn't see that. Oh they've it's been on twitter all week like an everybody in. The dolphins team have said that they've like we heard him report eligible like everybody has said that he reported eligible. So they get anyway. The the play was called back because they said he was not eligible. And you know so's illegal touching and also ilian down yes so had. He reported eligible. It was fine right. I i don't know. I don't like it's it's it's rare that you hear that. Many people saying that he reported eligible. It's also weird because it's like this is the second time it's happened to us. Yes yep also maddening. but you wouldn't i would. i'm tending. obviously i'm like. Yeah but i'm tending decide on the dolphins with this one link. There's like i can't believe that they would have i. I couldn't believe it happened the first time where where they were. You know. it didn't work and then you know this time it's like are you kidding like the so. I didn't see that. He said that. Mike though he your happening all week. Why did he tried to like report on the d. l. so like that and so that the patriots didn't hear him in the and the referee near 'em either or something. I don't know but three or four dolphins players said they saw him report so and it wasn't just like should be video evidence. Get to the bottom of this james. What you want to be a reporter. You wanna be a podcast. Get to the facts. I just wanna be drunk The the dolphins anyway won the game so it doesn't really matter that much bite. we won. We sure did so. after the. After the two point conversion it was fifteen to nine the patriots. Then i believe went downfield scored again to make it fifteen to twelve and then we had our you know. Then we kinda sealed the game with that that last touchdown where again Many running plays Mostly runs of. There was the shaheen play. I believe the shaheen play happened on that. Last on the last touchdown drive would which one he had a couple of shaheen only had. I believe she only had one catch. Smyth had a bunch of catches shaheen had the one the short catch like it was like a two yard out that he disliked. Turn a fifteen yard first down where he just you know broke. A bunch of tackles and re looked like an animal Which was great and then and then to a gets in the end zone You know on on I believe it was another third and goal. I love the boats. Both of the cool sneaks. Ou we didn't. We missed the perry sneak. That's right there was a third and short were perry came on emotion play. I just loved that the quick yet again up there and they do it like it's not sitting waiting and let people get ready like even the the tool wasn't even the greatest push but he got he was just like go and they went and it was an liked and it was nice. That's what i can't remember like the last time watching a dolphins team where i felt confident. That the you know the coaching staff was gonna inch in short yardage situations. Like i was like. They're always nerve wracking. But i feel like this team is able to pick up short even without a good running back row or you know necessarily great offensive line. Because they're they have creative calling in coaching. And that was it was a cool play to was in the shotgun. And you see perry coming across the field you know in motion. And then he like you know he actually gets passed the center and then stops and then come back and takes the snap and then takes it gets the gets the one yard for the first down Anyway it just it ends. The dolphins win you know twenty to twelve and can we just before we get to the end. I know we've been on this game a long time but we're good. What will ding dong. The patriots are dead. I did belichick. Just did he. Just give up in that game there. Why is he going for that. Fourth and three. He did the opposite of what you said. I was so thrilled that the floors did the right thing. But this one was even more obvious field goal. They have to timeouts. There's a minute twenty. And there's a timeout because of our injured players so you can kick kick that field goal and do an onside kick and even if we don't get it. It's still going to be over a minute to with your two timeouts now. Yes that means you're going to get the ball back with twenty seconds or something but instead you lost you. Just lose the game like that. Was the wrong paul. And it's bella. Jack like you don't expect the wrong call but even that he didn't even use the time outs because at that point i guess you're down to score so to get the ball bike with twenty seconds. He didn't even use his timeouts. He's just like can go watch some lacrosse. This over of the and their season is already because the dolphins eliminated the patriots. Wait say that again. The dolphins eliminated the patriots from playoff contention. I love beating them late in the year. This was this was fantastic. Like this is the first time they are not making the playoffs since the brady injury year and while the dolphins are not winning the division. This year Still fantastic so we are guaranteed a winning season no matter what happens nine and five and going to oakland and with that we will preview the oakland game when we get back so please stay tuned espy nation presents the sp nation nfl show five weekday episodes to get you through the grind of the nfl season with your favourite espy nation community leaders. You'll get reactions to what happened on sunday. Film breakdowns fearless takes local expert analysis fantasy football advice and so much more. There's a little something for everyone on the sba nation nfl. Show be sure to subscribe on apple. Podcasts so your favorite podcast app to be sure you don't miss a single episode and we're back so the miami dolphins. This is a unkind uncharted territory for us. Were were nine and five. Were in control of our playoff destiny and were playing a time game. The day after christmas against the formerly oakland raiders. That are now. The las vegas raiders in las vegas. We are favored to win. The las vegas raiders are seven and seven not technically eliminated from plant contention yet That's just a formality at this point. Yeah they're not making the playoffs correct. He might not make the playoffs wall create. We are definitely. Yeah definitely not a lock to make the playoffs. So it's been this game has gone like as the year has progressed. Have been ooh. That's going to be a tough one. And then last week. I was like oh if we can win. This patriots game will definitely win. That raiders game and now going into this raiders game. I'm like 'cause derek carr cars probably gonna play. Yes so. Were recording this wednesday night late late wednesday night. So derek carr was a full participant practice to day. Cillizza mean he's going to play but it looks. It's looking more likely that he will play. And i don't care. We're beating this team with car or mariota or jim plunkett. I'm i'm confident. But you know. James james pessimist as a little is always going to be a little shaky. This team well. This teams more talented than that patriots team. They're not as well coached but they have a good offense and they have a good chance of line and a very good running game they have like wallers. Been ridiculous josh. Jacobs is very good and their offense. Lions good their offensive line is very good and they. They've made nelson agholor a reliable senior. Who doesn't wanna receivers. Do they have flailer rugs but they have got a one trick. Pony they have a hunter renfrow. Who i guy yeah and And and and then i it's aguilar rugs and run for over the top three but wallers really the gun waller because the titan but i have a problem with hunter renfrow because he's white. That's only part of it okay. My problem is i was playing in madden. Oh this should be great. He ended up on the dolphins and they let him wear thirteen. Oh i hate that. Do hate that when that happens. Maddin come on now. I don't like how do they not those coders soule's hard to put in. Yep those coders are just they they. They don't take time that's important to me. That's it should be important to everybody. Because you know what happens with other teams to like seven and broncos sixteen and forty niners. Don't care i don't care. But i'm sure it's happening to them as well. Yeah i know that's frustrating but speaking of jersey number. Did you say it's maddening. Thank god not one. We didn't have to hear one thing about jersey like one. verster z. One like they made such a big deal out of that in the arizona game. I mean they didn't. I didn't have after that once. That's just that's yeah dump stuff anyway. all right. So the raiders defense not-so-good fired their defensive coordinator so their defense is bad enough if they fired their defense coordinator they have They have some guys that can get after the passer right mcclellan feral and then Khalil mack no. They don't have him anymo- correct. They turned him into was he was he did he. Become josh jacobs an end others. Yeah it actually. They did well with the Yeah with the mac picks so they and they there was another. There's another pass rusher they have. I can't remember his name. Well that's exciting radio. I know i know i know. But he's pretty good. But i can't remember not there they. They're not without talent. They had rape on mcmillan. They do have record mcmillan right and then they have. They have a safety that they drafted early. They lost to the terrible chargers last week. They did they that was with mark marietta they all. They should have lost the jets and they should have lost. They should've lost jets. Like we should beat this team. Yes the reason. I have pause is because they are very their. Their offense is balanced. Defense is our defense is actually one of the best events is only. I will say that so. We should stop them. We should win the game. I do feel like we're going to win the game so we because we've been saying on speaking of the defense you know we've been talking about their problem with the run they are. They still allow some runs but they are even. They are much better against the run than they than they were to start the season. We know there how they are against the pass. They you know they can get beat but more times than not they make the place. Sometimes they gave up a big play. But yes. I think this is a top five defense. We need to get. We need to get to car like we need to get pressured a car and we can and we but we and we have to cover their receivers to the problem with the only our secondary is very good. I rate yes it is. It's great. I feel like i feel like row can match up with waller. Because that's kind of what he's done all year he did struggle a little bit of kelsey. Everybody struggles with kelsey is waller as level No but he's as close to it as anybody else's and is karma homes. No no but he's pretty good. He doesn't like he midst like these guys are running open. He's gonna hit him. He's played very well this year. He's not cam newton. But he's not even he's barely ryan tannehill. That's that's fair. But he'll hit those throws that's the thing and they have those small fast wide receivers that can get open so like we need to make sure that we're getting pressure and you know and he doesn't hit those those deep passes that's how we win and we also have to control the running game which is actually pretty controlling the running game but i think we can confuse car sure. And that's what we're opening. that's exactly out. That's what we're hoping exactly so I feel like our offense will have a good game. Obviously it really it again like we need. I don't think we need partnering koseki but why would it be nice to see them out there. Yeah we i. I want them out there. Gaskins is gonna play. Looks like so. You're gonna have gaskins mad and i know they're all and end layer dural kinda similar. But we've got our complement of of running backs back there. That's like how like i mean. What do you think like. We've seen enough of them. Like i think my feelings are pretty obvious. Like i feel like bridges of the best one and he doesn't get any of run I like all of them. I feel like gaskins coming back like the coaching staff seems to like him the most and he's good and he's played very very well. I'm excited for him to come back like do you think he's the one that gets the lion's share the carries in this game in this game. I think gaskins will ya. He's probably like the i mean. He's the most well rounded out of them. I guess like he's good and pass pro. He's probably the toughest runner out of the three of them. Although augmented have that that run. The you talked about. Med achmat is impressed. Me with with his toughness rina's tough though he's like also like he runs into piles like moves them like he's fast and strong the thing that's killed me and is that is we haven't had any really big place at all. This you know our longest running blazer like thirty seven and we and they just happened right they just have gaskin head that that thirty are run that he fumbled at the end of. But i'm saying even in the past game like without fitzpatrick we were out without those big plays. I mean it doesn't seem like it. Was that long granted. It was a completely different team last year. We were doing having all these big plays in the passing game or even even two years ago. Like when you know like the one we wilson was in grant were high fiving and that was so awesome. That was great but yeah yeah i mean maybe we see some of that. This raiders defense is prone for that type of so and i'm this. This would be a game against this defense where again. They're offenses is better than than the patriots. And most of the teams we played recently so they will score. We will have to score. I'm hoping we have. Parker gives saiki gaskins out there and grant him But no i. I wanna see i wanna see too. I wanna see him have the weapons so the he can open it up and we can see what he does a little bit. Because this is. The raiders are very much like the cardinals compared to other teams. We've played yup. i agree. Can we pause a second. Yes thank and As you can probably tell that was a lot longer than one seconds. And i mean you can probably tell by the sound of my voice in that i am no longer in studio and we are finishing this. Podcast be zoom. I did have a A little christmas eve eve mishap. That i needed to attend to But i will be back in studio Next week robert. I can do another cast in person Free of interruptions. I guarantee it so we are going to pick up. Why did you. You just jinxed that the way are the announcers jinx jason sanders field goals by the way. I don't think so. No i personally. I'm putting mark messier guarantee that i will. I will finish a pod. The next five podcast in person in studio Early next week so far market down anyway. we relieving off with. Rob's points about the raiders. And wanting to see she were against a you know we don't have to recap it literally was a second ago for them. It's a data but it's a second for them. Thank you right. So getting back. Into the raiders. Game on sunday so i do feel like it's going to be a bit more of a challenge than i was thinking had mary auto been the quarterback for the raiders on saturday on. But i do think the dolphins will win My prediction score wise is Dolphins thirty four raiders twenty seven. Would you think thirty four twenty seven. That is correct. Yes i like it. I'm gonna go with Dolphins twenty eight raiders. twenty four. But it's never that close it's a it's a last second touchdown. The that makes it feel close. Got it. i would like that to sounds good all right. Well let's jump into pick them and rob recap for everybody. Who warned pick them less. We'll see. I don't know my notes anymore because that was from yesterday but I can tell them. I want three nine. Did with three nothing. I got hosed on the half points twice you had the one game when you were underdog had seven and a half and and they lost by san antonio souvenir points philly right now that was houston houston and then the philly. I had philly getting only six and a half and they lost by seven. So it was. I got i was on the wrong side of that half-point twice and then i was just rely on the bears. Vikings i thought the vikings were going to do much better than the bears and they did not. They certainly didn't all right so that actually brings us to our first game is a new orleans. At minnesota directors minnesota add neurons is matters anymore it does it does not i mean if it matters. It's not the it doesn't matter three points but they seem to be giving it the christmas night right that they're playing yes tomorrow. Minnesota is in new orleans new orleans and it's six and a half kara Snap i think we both like saints in this one. I think yes alright. The tampa bay buccaneers. This is saturday game so saturday early. Tampa buccaneers at the detroit. Lions detroit getting ten points at home. I actually think detroit will cover that spread. I think the bucks win the game. But i believe detroit will make it a little bit closer than buchan ears and their fans like i have picked wrong on every bucks game in every lions game. So i'll just take the bucks just to see what the hell happened. The might be like. You're touching antimatter here. This this game will probably end up as ten as a push but detroit also not that it matters but i think all their defensive coaches are on the covid list but again i don't think it matters because their defense is terrible bucks. That burned me several times this as well so one of us. One of us is going to pick this race. That's now it's a push a guarantee right now just go bed at at at ten aright san francisco getting five and a half on the road at arizona. I like both j. beathard. Yeah with with. Josh rosen backing up. I think we i won't who knows they could run all over him. Weird things happened but yeah not touching the game. I mean rosenstock coming in unless it's an emergency i. I am surprised. I want to touch on this a little bit. Just because you know. Rosen was not too long ago. And i think we all kind of had a little bit of hope for him. I still would. I still would like to see him. Get a chance. I think this is actually a pretty good situation for him. If he if it's an actual chance i was reading a little bit about. It apparently had quite a few different offers. The season in an elected to stay to remain on the buccaneers. Practice squad So i feel like this must have been some kind of you know unless it's great might be kind of assurance that he actually gets shot out there. I think it's a good situation for. I think i don't think there's any assurances. I think it's i think it's a situation right. It's a great offensive minded coach. Who who have made mediocre quarterbacks look really good at times and it's it's influx all. These guys are mediocre injury. Prone and i think they're all free agents so he actually. This gives him a little bit of a chance to maybe come on as the number two next year with a chance of ta- you know it just gives them a better chance and i think he realized that brady doesn't like teaching anybody anything. Yeah i think. I think they're also you know. Let's not forget. This was a team that was in the super bowl last year. So there you know they have the pieces there. They have a good young nucleus. I think you know just i. I think they're going to be moving away from garoppolo. That's kind of the feeling that i get the you know he's expensive and he hasn't really produced for them. So i think last week on the podcast we had mentioned that as a possible landing spot for carson wentz i. I could see a quarterback room in san francisco next year. That wentz and rosen You don't have the two of them battle it out. I think it's a much better situation than they currently have. I don't know why we talk about the forty niners so much. You're not even in san francisco. Right now i was. I was mostly talking about rosen. He was a dolphin for like four seconds. I don't even consider consider. Ima dolphin full season and a half. He never even was a dolphin that did happen. That's getting ten and a half points in kansas city. That line seems very low to me. It does and atlanta weirdly will put up points or or put up points early in squander them late but but against kansas city in kansas city I don't think julio jones's playing which didn't matter last week but is usually a big factor in matt ryan success As good as readily as he's usually not you know his stinker games come when julio's out so yeah ten and a half i. I can't believe this isn't fifteen. Or something is their record for most double digit. Fourth quarter leads loan in a season. It hasn't been set yet. Because the falcons are still doing it. Fair enough yeah there that was just watching it and like it was twenty four to seven going into the going into the fourth quarter last week with with i was watching with a handful of bucks fans i was like you got them right where you want exactly sure enough. Yeah sure enough. Thirty one final score bucks. Thirty one falcons twenty seven. Just just incredible aren't under the next chicago bears favored by seven and a half jacksonville. This line could this very low as well. I'd jacksonville's terrible and the bears are actually not a good team. But they're playing much better. Yeah we like the bears. I think we do like the bears. Although for some. I had a weird feeling that this might be one. I could just see the jacksonville. Doing something weird in the jets can beat. The rams jacksonville can beat the bears and not that they should or will but i this all of a sudden has a has some weird weird funk on it in my head like i as much as i you know i. I don't think very highly of sam darnold. He's much much closer to a capable. Nfl quarterback and with some of the the wide receiving you know the some of the weapons the jets have weapons in quotes like there. I feel like the jets are a better team than the jaguars. I don't honestly. I don't think men shoes very far off. From darnold they got james robinson's better than any running back on the jets. They also have an in between They have good wide receivers when they're healthy between the rookie. Chenault i'm blanking on dj charq and there's a there's another guy in there that i'm forgetting his name i did. I don't think. I don't think the jets are that far ahead. Talent wise of jacksonville. Just think they're better they and they're better on defense personnel wise jacksonville's defense has been stripped to the bone. But yeah so. Anyway i do. Rams are a lot better than the bears. Also yeah yeah moving. Cincinnati bengals at the houston texans cincinnati. Getting eight on the road. Cincinnati coming off that cincinnati. Our new favor our our new second favorite team. Maybe well there this week for sure even though they are even though. They're a bunch of dirty felons but they were the only ones. That's why the stripes They were the only ones to kind of helped us at all. Even though it wasn't super help they're the only ones that kinda even stepped up to help us at all last week in the in the outside games so they would be helping us hugely with a win over houston loveness not impossible. But so i wouldn't put money money on it. But yeah i'm not but if i had gone to head to houston minus-eight. We're all rooting for the bengals. Actually minus eight. That's by nine and a half going into new jersey to play the the new jersey jets on on sunday yes That line seems very low to me as well. Cleveland is much much better than the jets. But the in these jets. Are there plucky right. They're they're not winning two in a row. Although i've never answered better than the browns i think this this is how bad the jets are. I don't know if i could watch the game in root for them. Like if i'm watching the game i'm gonna want them to lose but i so badly want them to win these last two games and say oh. They save gazes job and lose out on on on Trevor lawrence i'd be st- i mean that combination would be amazing. I believe they have. I like having gates has gone sir. I yes but i think now with Now being well. They're not out of the trevor lawrence derby yet but If things finish out and they ended up with the number two pick. I you know i see them keeping donald all. You don't think i mean. There are other quarterbacks in the draft. That are decent. There are. But i feel like they're gonna continue. Try to build around darnold. That's the case. Yeah i guess they're and would all. There's not a lot of quarterback needy teams like obviously jacksonville. But there ahead of them. You know like last year when there when we there were every few years. You're like oh everybody's got their rookies or they're good players and now you know you don't have. Sometimes you have like five teams needing quarterbacks and sometimes you only have one or two so it'd be interesting. Yeah i mean seeing to and herber dropped to five and six. You know crazy Indianapolis getting a point and a half. It gets this was giving give. They're giving indies giving point and a half. Yeah so pittsburgh is is falling right like folic fast. So they're they're now. Buffalo is now locked into into two. They haven't locked it up but they buffalo can lock up the number two seed this weekend making the week seventeen game for miami at buffalo meaningless for buffalo In order for that to happen indianapolis needs to be pittsburgh. Buffalo needs to beat the patriots and the packers beat the titans because the titans are kind of in the mix for the number two seed as well now with pittsburgh falling so fast so obviously you know that. I would like to see that happen to make the week seventeen game. Hopefully easier for us I do think annapolis handles pittsburgh. Just i didn't think pittsburgh was that good when they were eleven to know. And they've proven me right Indianapolis his defense. I think just has a field day with that pittsburgh offense which is struggling right now so. I like the colts yeah. I liked the colts as well. Although i don't like the colts they're weird. Philip rivers always does interesting things like i. It's a team. I haven't believed in all year even though you know. They're obviously a good team. I know that i like the coaching staff. I like the talent. But they're a weird team. But yeah i agree i do not. I don't think the steelers can win. But i don't think they will. Yeah indianapolis offense is inconsistent. Let's call it. But their defense is is very very solid. And i think they have. They have no problem winning this game. Sunday all right new york giants getting ten and a half going into baltimore. Baltimore seems like they are on fire. I think they are going to crush the giants more than ten and a half months. I it is a lot of points. Yeah i i agree The the of this game is even if the ravens loses game. that doesn't really help us Well i mean it helps But not if we lose the buffalo we will. It doesn't help us. Clinch anything because It's the nfc and we need them to lose the afc game for the tiebreakers and this is i believe this is the last. This is like the by after the giants who the ravens get. Oh it's an it's one of the ridiculous it's like a bengals or a. It's one of the really easy teams like yes. They're jags one of though it might be pretty much locked in do eleven and five Anyway Next game is the ron rivera revenge bowl carolina panthers at washington football team washington. Football team favored by point. And a half. Not sure if alex smith is playing. I don't think it really matters. I feel like rivera is out for blood game in the football team. Just just handles the panthers. I believe you think ron's really that bad. I mean it would kinda needed they were. They were overhauling sometimes. Everybody needs a new fresh start pretty unceremonious. I think he's i think he's a very good football coach and did not i. I do too. But but but him justice their coaches need to be moved on from. You know it happens sometimes. Dungy got you know. Had to be removed from tampa bay. You know it happens. Good coach kind of a fiery guy though. I could see taking it personally. Well we'll see. I mean this is. This is one with the this is one. You're not betting on this unless you have a problem. I mean you know. We don't know the quarterback of washington It looks like mccaffrey mccaffrey's actually already out. I believe or. He's highly doubtful. So i don't think he's poised for him to play this true i i i think the football team wins this game very very but those are both of these teams are teams. I kind like like peripherally like next year. Like the i like. They're well coached. I think they got some some interesting talent. And under i think they're both underrated Because the records are terrible. But i think they could turn it around quickly all right. Here's a game. We might disagree on the. The denver broncos getting three points and going into los angeles to play just in herbert and the chargers. Now i know how much you loved drew. Lock and the broncos you want you want them in their points. Going into los angeles rob What i want is vic fangio vic fangio over Lynn what's his name. Anthony lynn at the. The chargers are terrible team. They're they are tie talented. But as a team as a cohesive unit if you include the coaches and the curse. They're awful i. I agree with that but i think i think they're turning a little bit of a to hear what they'd be. Beat the raiders game last week. That's ridiculous like them versus the broncos the brush. They should've they should've lost that game. They could have easily lost that. Game to the raiders. The raiders are terrible. Charges are terrible. Raiders are better than the broncos true. Well yes so. Mario to lead readers. He didn't look there in that game because they playing the chargers chelsea my friend i. I'm we found a game. All right Los angeles rams Getting a point and a half going into seattle. I like the rams. Yeah i think the rams are they're bouncing back. This was the game. They were looking at when they forgot to plan for the jets seattle. They're they're they're like. I'm making my afc. Nfc analogy teams. If the raiders are the cardinals the seahawks are the are the steelers. I think so although the seahawks at least been winning games i mean i'm talking about how well they played early to how they're playing now. They're like the they feel like they're falling their yeah. Their defense has gotten better true. They're worse so. I don't know i mean they could. I wouldn't would not shock me if they made a run and ended up being the nfc team. But i also notice. I now going this might all be hearsay or things. I don't remember. But i feel like the defense got turned around when carlos dunlop like got on there and started doing stuff and he's he's out for the rest of the season so their whole did not know that. Yeah i mean. I think their secondary started playing better too. I feel like adam started to get it a little bit more but that might have been benefiting from dunlap getting pressure. So that's unfortunate for them. Next game philadelphia eagles getting two and a half going into dallas I liked the cowboys in this game. You like the out of your mind. The cowboys are terrible. They even they had no business beating. That terrible forty niners team. It just was one of those fluky things like no and eagles is much the her. It's funny i didn't want herbert. I didn't want her. It's like i didn't want any of these guys but they're playing well and it's fun to watch hurts play even though i don't know if he'll be good he's playing well right now. I'm going with the eagles. A third one. That will be our third one. Yeah sure let's do it all right tennessee. Plus three going into green bay. This should be a good game. Obviously we need the in order for that bills scenario to happen. We need the packers to win I think that you know. I actually don't love the match for the packers But i think they can win. I you know. I i guess i picked the packers. This is gonna be a tough game. Okay so hold on are. The steelers are a game ahead of the bills. Still right no. They're they're both eleven and three. Okay because what i just realized is none of the things we want happen happen. Are we then rooting for new england. Because i don't think i can route because otherwise we have to root for buffalo to win. Which brings us to the monday game and it's monday so we'll know all the other scenario so we'll know which way to route because right in that case we root for the patriots but that's going to be an exercise in jilin at that point so it's only seven in new england. Some i want. I've let's hope. Bella check unleashes some scheme that slows down alan that we can copy next week because I hate the way. These bills are playing. I absolutely hate it. I hate. I hate it so much so much. I don't even wanna talk about it. All right So we have our games and we're gonna take our second break when we come back it'll be time for fantasy camp in rob's very very excited to tell you what happened anisa campus. I wonder what it could be. It's like chris basement warning and we're back i will go ahead and yeah well. Why don't you play the drop. I rob kick it fellows. Oh yes fantasy camp. Our favorite segment back again. So because it's fantasy camp and it's all make believe I like to make up the rules. Sort of as we go along and only benefit me so i decided that the Fantasy regular season. James destroyed me. I only won one game and he. He ruled the regular season. Got the number one seed now. The fantasy playoffs are among us. And i am one. Nothing bake rules james. Whatever helps you sleep. I was. I was very i. Happy the the good thing about fantasy camp is no matter. What like if if we have a good week and then that means those players had a good game and probably. The dolphins had a good game. Which is the case. The ice in real fantasy. I stupidly put in bowed in sunday morning into a flex into a very important playoff game because he was the only one who's going to catch so i was not just for the dolphins but i was rooting for you to get fantasy points on him. Of course. I lost by three points in all my other. Flex option scored eight or more than out. And so that literally lost me. The game But you know we live and die by the auckland orange. so it's it's all good if only to ahead thrown that pass on time so so again as you may have guessed. I finally won a second. Fantasy camp week After getting my. I'm still being destroyed By eighty points over the season it's been gross and even here. The luck was not with me. I i picked. I and i had parker sickie and bowdoin i go between bowdoin and bowden because boden is correct and bowden's when i mispronounce it so sorry folks i'll try to say boat bowden got which is right in there. You go so then. I decided to play. Keep away from us. And i took off met and breda the only two backs and that actually was fantastic because following you followed up with holland's and layered which is like nobody nobody and i with and i had grant and so grant and parker didn't play for me gets sick. He didn't play for you. So i literally only had those two running backs and we all know how we ran all over the pats so it worked out defense. Us maker of baker had a great game. That i'm happy for you. Rob thank you all right moving onto this week. Now i have the first pick ups. Asking is coming back so i am going to take. I know the myles gaskin is playing. I have very strong feeling like they're going to be focused on the run again in this game And i feel like this time it's going to be myles. Gaskin the benefits most so. I'm going to take myles gaskin. Who okay so. Oh my god. I don't even know if they're playing. I may just take. I may just burn my first two picks here. Because i'm just i'm shooting for. This is this is. i mean. They're going to win by fifty or score zero. So i'm going with parker and gieseke sounds good that means give me boden and augment. No okay so you. You've got all the running backs now So i will take brita. Because i need somebody to run the ball and it's not gonna be patrick layered because many third nate's or he is he going to convert this week and then it's between grant and perry and i know how much you love grant so i will let you have him. I'll take perry right. So that gives me a takim. The dream grants and my defensive player will be exhibited howard. I'll take agua all right there. We go a chance for redemption for you again. Rob start a mini winning streak here. I don't i think redemption you need playoff redemption. You're you're you're you're you're you're like the marty schottenheimer of Rob okay fantasy camp camp. All right Yeah as long as the dolphins win. I don't care sounds like a guy with a thirteen to two edge. The exactly exactly all right. So what did you think of. The mandalorian finale rob o. Is it over wash tonight. Did it was not talk about it last week. I guess not. I don't know we talked about that. It was coming that there was the big surprise and wasn't really that surprising but it was. It was nice. It was such a cool scene. But i was a cool thing seen. I don't even know. If we're into the i don't let's not spoil it just because even though it's been a while but my spoiler alert if you don't want to listen to the what. The season finale of the mandalorian stopped listening. Now come on. It's been almost a week. Some people binge this stuff later. Or whatever i i don't even i don't even know how much talk about it. I just can't believe the do didn't give little grew the ball. How did he not give him the ball at the end of it. That was the missed opportunity of ever seen going down the hallway to hold up that stupid thing and let him force it out of his an. How did they not give me that. Well the little. It's in his pocket. He picked it up royd any from the rubble and put it in his pocket That's right that's right. Oh tear interesting. Would've been cool. That would have been cool but no no complaints. There i was. I i thought it. Would it be cool. If you've just said this is the way. After luke said yemen force be with you like i thought that would have been cool little nod to the new force. Be with you is giving us but true. But i don't think it really makes sense i don't know would have been cool either way. I thought was so cool. It was obviously you know kind of an image to the scene with With luke's father in route one and they were very very you know kinda similar scenes there with vader mowing through the the rebel forces. Mrs you know. Luke mowing through imperial droids was a very very. I loved it. I thought it was. I thought his brain. I just really enjoyed it. Because as a fan of the original trilogy. You don't really get to see loop do that. Cool stuff and all so it was nice to see and then in the that's because he's the worst djeddai that ever jeneid. He looked like a pretty good. I mean that's yeah but yeah that's the one thing and he's tara. He's terrible at at at training people. So i'm pretty sure go goo just basically becomes The snooker whatever. His name is like he's definitely becoming. He's definitely going to the dark side. Because 'cause lucas terrible at his job well we shall see. I'm excited to see. Did you watch the after credit scene with the boba. Fett as well. I did not i just read about it and it didn't sound interesting enough to go back and look at it was a four to the to the boba. Fett show glad that they're doing all these all these star wars spin off there. But that's that's fine. You can pick and choose the ones you wanna watch. Yeah so anyway with that Have a happy holidays everyone. I have my one little piece to throw in your sorry. I watched tenant the the. Oh yes so. I usually big on the like having to buy the movie before but i was pretty excited for this. I know that there were reviews. Kinda split because some people were like what the didn't know what the hell was going on or whatever but it's like it's christopher nolan like you just you have to pay attention a little bit and know that some part will be some wonky science or whatever but Thought it was awesome. I very much enjoyed it. I recommend highly recommend nice. Yeah i'm looking forward to watching that as well. Y- excellent all right ladies gentlemen with that happy holidays. Go dolphins on saturday. Rabbi you're not gonna be able to watch live because you have a gig but I will. I will keep you updated with texts routes. Oh the phone ori. Lets me know everything that's happening. May let's if they score. Before the sunday ticket though so insert though i'll still texture and we will be in person one more time before i go back to california. So few stays go fed or dolphins.

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The Blowhole Episode 21: The Long Draft Night

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The Blowhole Episode 21: The Long Draft Night

"We didn't even check like, oh, it's working. There was a working. Not sure it's. You'll have to make you out. Maybe I don't know because his good or not. I mean, I can hear you that doesn't make good. Good evening. Ladies, gentlemen. You're listening to the blowhole on inside a radio tonight. It's been it's been a while we've had a couple of weeks off. But tonight, you have myself James radio with my co-host rob cast here to recap the NFL draft. And what it means for your Miami? Dolphins been kind of slow off season. But a very exciting draft season for this team the over what is the over under wins for the same? Oh, it's like crazy four. Yeah. Think it's like four got six under. I think we got six we've got Joe's. We'll get into that. So we're gonna start out with some draft talk. We're going to spend most of the time the beginning of the show talking about the draft the Miami Dolphins and things that have changed. The last time. We spoke. And then second half. We're just gonna talk about avengers and game of thrones. So if you haven't seen those things will tell you before we start getting into the spoilers. But anyway, it was an exciting draft. It wasn't. We had some we had some theories on how things are going gonna go down and talking before the draft. So trying to make up things to talk about one. Our bet did I don't remember what we bet that both has Lockwood be available, and they picked I said that both. I said they'd all be gone. Yeah. You said four quarterbacks would be gone. I said four might be gone, but three three for sure. Yeah. Well to were. Well, that's true. So that doesn't get right. But the two that I had said I said they were going to get a shot at Askins their lock they actually had a shot at both of them. They didn't get either one of them. But that's fine. And we'll get into we'll get into all of that. So why don't we start at go ahead before we jump into the dolphins? Do you want to talk about any like over arching things talk about the Daniel Jones may be just any of the other teams just general? Len will dig in just draft at first. So so the first thing the one thing that I said that would never happen. And this was one thing that I was wrong about the cardinals would not draft Cuyler Murray with no with with no plan as to what to do with with Josh Rosen. Yeah. And that's exactly what they did. And that was very very stupid of them. And we'll we'll get into that. I mean, we don't know. I I mean, even if Murray turns out to be great they still wasted capital on Rosen, and they got pennies on the dollar back for what they paid for them. Yeah. But that was but we paid the pennies on the dollar. So I think it was good. Oh, it's great for us cardinals really bungled that situation. Even if Murray turns out to be fantastic, right? The way they like they it sound. They didn't even shop rose. And no. To try to get him last year, they traded up to get him. And those are just that's just lost capital. And I get that. But when you have a new when you have a new coaching and a new everybody. Sure, it doesn't nothing matters GM's not new. I know what did she the one that trained in all the pics to get them in the first place? You know how? You know, how I look at it though, the like from the cardinal side of things like it doesn't. What you spent to get somebody at doesn't matter. It's it's just like fantasy football. When you're like when you've got that second round pick who sucks when and he's reading. Yeah. And you're like, but but I spent a second round it doesn't matter. If you're free agent up is outperforming him. You it doesn't it doesn't matter where you drafted him. Now, you're not going to get a second rounder. If you trade firm, that's the point is moot. So great. I guess they wasted a whole thing. But but if the if the new the new guy wants the shiny new toy. You know, I don't know if it was necessarily mistake for them. I agree the handled in poorly a could've this should have been able to get more for Rosen than what we got him for sharp. Then we'll be into and we'll talk about that. But the top of the draft outside of. I mean, these are things that we kind of knew there were no big surprises. Like nothing really happened until the giants picked at six and there was talk about. Oh, number wasn't the raiders at four. That was we'd I was oh without Cleveland feral. But some people had him ranked as one of the top pass rusher with that. Nobody saw that. I mean, nobody expected that they so what they did was they sent all their. They did something weird they sent all their scouts home because and then that gave you some kind of inkling that they were going to do something. Right. But it wasn't that weird. I mean, they drafted wasn't that weird. But arguably the third best pass rusher there were there might have had two guys on most boards that were ranked higher than him as an edge rusher in this draft. But from all accounts, he's he's an excellent. Prospect. I mean, he'll be you know, if they liked him. They liked him more than more than more than Gary than fine. Like sure why not. I mean that wasn't that shocking to me it. Daniel Jones was was wasn't tracking those hysteric. Yes. So the New York Giants has mazing. Yeah. They've had they've had quite the off season. So they had the they had the best wide receiver in the NFL. Now, they don't they had just signed him to a to a large contract that you're before. They decided to trade him for a for the seventeenth pick in this draft. Which they probably could have gotten Daniel Jones with the seventeenth pick. And with the six pick that could have drafted. Somebody good. Yes. The the pass rusher from Kentucky Allen who's the top rated pass rusher edge rusher on most outside of out of both. I'm forgetting about Bosa so outside of Bosa. He was the highest edge rusher. Right. And they could they could have gotten him, but they passed on him, and they took Daniel Jones at six and then at seventeen they ended up taking Dexter Lawrence out of Clemson who is the third defensive lineman from Clemson taken in the first round, which is pretty pretty amazing crazy. So the giants made some questionable decisions and got some pretty questionable returns on their on their investment. I just have to read you this headline from pro football talk that came out earlier today. He's probably saw from this morning report. One team wanted to work out Daniel Jones as a tight end. Highly. I mean granted like Lamar Jackson teams last year asked him if he'd want to work out, a wide receiver, whatever, and you know, it happens, but that's not with your second. Pick of all of all the quarterbacks Jones. I've never seen a prospect that looked as much like another prospect as Daniel Jones looks like Ryan tannehill like right down to like right down to the number the other the other the other Meam I saw that crack me up was was Daniel Jones looks like the guy who would play ally. Manning in a story about Peyton Manning's life. Yes. From like the way he actually looks like the way he plays like he plays like like Ryan tannehill. Like he has a similar skill set. And right down to the fact that he's a very good athlete. A competent quarterback doesn't have a lead arm arm talent. And. You know, if he becomes, you know. Top-five quarterback in this league. I'll I'll be shocked. I mean, but a stranger things have happened. I guess, although. No, no, no. All right. So so that was kind of the top ten after that Allen win right after that to the Jaguars. I forgot who went number eight. I know the the bills ended up taking at Oliver which I didn't like to see 'cause I like him and he's a good player to be right up there on our jets also took a defensive tackle with a third pick in the draft. They took quitting Williams out of Alabama. Who is arguably the number one player in the draft. So I saw some draft words. I dunno gentle mess it up somehow. But again, he's an interior linemen. So this is and this gets us to where the dolphins picked at thirteen. They had the choice between Haskins drew lock. And there were some eggs rushers. Some pretty highly rated edge rushers that they passed on end up taking Christian Wilkins from Clemson defensive tackle who by all accounts and measures had been a different draft would have been probably the top defensive tackle taken. Very very talented player for your starter has all the all the credentials that you want the pedigree all American played for the best team in college football won a couple of national championships was a leader seems like a great personality love seeing a body slam. That was still that was that was that was great. I don't I don't hate the pick. I think it was a good pick. It's very safe bet. It's a very safe pet. It's it's you know, he might not have the ceiling as somebody else, you might get because of the position, right? That's that's exact- rusher or a quarterback or something like that. But the guys like you said, he's he's like an outstanding in person. He's a great person great leader. He's somebody you don't have to worry about you can put them in there. This the scheme that you know, that the patriots of run on defense all these years that that tackle is. It's a big part. They, you know, they're not flashy on stats, but letting all those guys run around. And do and do their blitzing and stuff. You know requires that big monster in the Middle, East blocks. Yeah. So I had wanted. I was on record saying if they didn't draft a quarterback. I wanted them to go edge. I thought that was their biggest need the top four players had been taken. So they would have been reaching for Brian burns from FM. I don't even think that might not be a reach. He might be a great, Ed. I mean, it was very distracting very deep for defensive lineman. So burns could end up being a fantastic rusher. Montas sweat out of Mississippi State was a combine freak and was also very highly. Rated he lasted a long time. He slid all the way to the red skins actually traded back up late into the first round to get him. So there might be some some tape or something I know there was the heart condition that he allegedly had. But I thought he was cleared of it was like it wasn't till like that day, but still being cleared. Yeah. So. Either way the Wilkins bigs, very safe. They didn't autism trade back. They didn't trade up they stayed at thirteen. And I think you know, I think their plan was to trade down. They had they had their set of guys that they want that pick. And they they would have looked to trade down if one of them didn't fall. And obviously that was one of the top guy on the on their board. That was available. It's a pretty solid nucleus for this defense that they have a young nucleus that they have now with with Wilkins Fitzpatrick with Howard in the secondary. I think McMillan is a solid middle. Linebacker Baker seems like he's going to be a pretty good linebacker as well. If they play some for if they play some three four hybrid stuff, you can have Baker McMillan in the middle with with the big guys up front that are protecting those guys still have Harrison hopefully could step up right Harris was a high draft pick. Now, he's gonna get some playing time because there are no other people to play the Ed Harris is gonna get some run. So they have those guys. Gotcha. And. Taylor. The the other defensive tackles. They have this team's not terrible have played. Well, McCain's a decent corner. He's still young they TJ McDonald and Rashad Jones, although I don't know what's going to happen with Jones. I think at this point you're not saving any money getting rid of them. You might as if we're not getting any right, but he's not coming to the camps either. So I think I think they are shopping him. Well, but whatever I mean if they can pay somebody to take him to get a draft pick back. I would do it. I guess I think that's probably what they wanna do. We'll see. I mean, that's there's a long way to go until until mini until OTA's. So. So the defense is okay. There's still some question marks on the edge there. And I think the second wave of free agency. I was reading some things there are still some pass rushers that are out there. They were trying to I saw there was some articles out there. People are guys. They're secondary guys. Right. Yeah. I mean, digging answer get signed that was trying to find him the other day. I saw something linking him to the Seahawks. I don't think he actually signed with them. I don't see the dolphins going. I he's still too big of a name. I think I guess, but I mean if they can get him on the cheap either way that citing either, but the defense there's still some halls to plug the Wilkins pick. I think that was great. So they want ended that was about it at the towards the end of day one. Obviously the chatter began about well. What's going to happen? Adjust Rosen seems like nobody was in on the bidding. And then there was one name that kept coming up the Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins Miami Dolphins. And honestly there wasn't. Apparently. There was another team in on it. Pantley? The patriots were looking to get in on it. And it makes sense because he's so cheap. Right. Because the they were trying they never the cardinals never reached out to anybody, which is like the most ridiculous thing that like the sl article I read which was phenomenal. So I don't I forgot the name of the the author of the article was great article. Who's basically looking at it as you know, how the cardinals mishandled the situation. But also looking at Rosen as a prospect in this draft as opposed to a one year player. So I mean, he's only he's twenty two years old. So I mean like looking at him as one of the quarterbacks that was available in this draft. You're giving traffic to get him. You're essentially drafting him in this draft. So most Hallier's so the way the the article was written. They interviewed a bunch of teams after the draft that did not draft a quarterback but world valuating quarterback talent. So they were completely neutral. And they had. Yeah. That's that's it. I'm sorry. I can't read the name on Albert breer Albert brewers article. Yes. Correct. So they were interviewing these teams that the rating top five quarterback prospects. Throwing Rosen in there. And he was the number. He was number one in a few of them and mcshea mcshea. You know, they they went to him. And I heard him say the same thing he'd have him ranked as the top quarterback in this. Yeah. In this draft. He would be the top quarterback say because you'll always obviously you'd think about you rank them within the draft. And you've and you don't think about oh. Well, this best guy would be the third best guy or the fourth best gun. He wasn't too on anybody's on anybody's evaluation. He was either one or two either Maurier him. So so yes, so then you then you start looking at it was really interesting. 'cause now you start looking at all the teams that passed on him that ended up taking quarterbacks, you know. So you had you know, so you're gonna be comparing Rosen against you know, this draft and his draft as well. So it'll be it'll be interesting to see and the thing is the AFC east. Now extremely interesting game two three and four of that of that draft. Yeah. I think that is I think that's going to be. Those jets dolphins games are going to be great because they were college rivals. If Rosen is applying for the put Josh Allen. But I mean as far as the as far as the even the buffalo. The Josh Allen was drafted in was traded up pig draft with those with those other two so we're getting a little ahead of ourselves. So day to starts the dolphins had the forty eighth pick in the second the fortieth pick of the draft. Which is the middle beginning middle of the second round you and I are texting back and forth about we're hearing all the noise about the dolphins are gonna trade the forty eighth pick for Rosen. I'm like adult like it. I'm like they're bidding against themselves. That's you high. I think we've said like I'd want back. I want back like a fourth like not like the six or seventy would think that would come with that. Right. So so it comes out that the dolphins were balking at the asking price. They thought that was too much, and they they ended up the ended up doing was trading. The forty eighth pick to the saints. So they ended up getting the sixty second pick in this draft. And then the saints second rounder next year. And I believe they ended up giving up one of their pick. Whatever thing. Like. So so they moved back. So they moved back to sixty second. The second round next year is amazing Rosen could be great. And we still have of that all that draft capital. Whether to trade down or move up or three just have three picks in the first two rounds. Awesome. Yeah. So now, you're trading your trading to sixty second pick in the draft. So you drafted arguably the best quarterback in this draft with the sixty second pick one whose contract is four right? Most of his contract was paid out last year. The cardinals gave him like seventy five percent of his contract already were paying him. Like it's like he's going to the cap for. Yeah. So if you pans out to be a good quarterback. I mean compared to the quarterback play we've had in the last. Honestly, if he pans out to be a good backup. Right. No fair enough this quarterback room that they have right now is better than any quarterback room. They've had. Fitzpatrick's are both pro. I mean, they're probably they're both better than tannehill. Right. Like like Rosen has more ceiling and Fitzpatrick has more. Like like. Fitzpatrick will be more exciting. That's for. Sure. Yeah. So it's a better. It's the best. It's the most intriguing and interesting quarterback from they've had. Here. I don't even. Here's the other Culpepper. I guess, but he was terrible. But at least it was interesting. Right. So here's but here's the other thing so everybody. Oh, how good Rosen. Joe's and Rosen. They there's not a lot invested in him. If they don't like what he looks like all this and get and go and get somebody else. It didn't cost them very much. Correct. Take him. Yeah. That I liked everything that Rosen didn't the media seemed to me like I sent out was really classy. He seems very intelligent like the things that close. I'm reading from him. And I've actually the national verticals on them are all pro rose. Everyone wants this guy to get a chance they love the way he handled it he handled the exit like super class he hung around and played in the softball game. You know, the. Loves. Yeah. So his teammates. Don't see all the stuff and knock on them was use a bad teammate. He's not coaching. But it doesn't. I'm not seeing any of that. Like, it doesn't. It doesn't have. Maybe he was. Oh, I'm sorry. What he was a stupid young kid who like had everything handed to him because he was very good at sports. He's even said as much. Yeah. I mean, it could happen. Yeah. So I'm I'm excited to see like, I'm interested to see the the competition and camp believe it will be a real competition. There's no reason for it not to be. They haven't. No, I mean. It pays for the dolphins. Start Rosen either way. Sure hind out if he's any good, and we don't need to win. If he's not good because we're gonna want another quarterback. I mean, I don't think we're taking losing on purpose. But yeah, we're trying to figure out what we have. And I do think really to get the rest of the team playing if it's Patrick obviously outperforms him. I think he gets I think he will play. Yeah. It could even be it could even be treating Rosen like true rookie, even though he's not bless you. Thank you that. You know, you might even get the first four games and the early buy and then and then switch over something. The one thing that scares me. And this is a good segue into our third round draft pick is the fact that he's going to be playing behind. So he played behind the worst NFL the worst line in the NFL last year in Arizona. Yeah. And we're better than them. We are better by one by one one point on the rankings. We're the second. We were the second worst off. Line in the NFL last year. So that's why he's coming and we don't have John James anymore. And I don't know who's gonna play our line. Did not get better new. Nope. Nope. So. That was one of the things for sex second round of free agency. There are some decent tackles that are actually available like old Mike remers is like a thirty year old right? Tackle that's available that could be had for the playing interior line. The last couple of years, but he ranks better or he scores better as a right tackle. So he's a guy that could get maybe, you know, there's a couple of other ones that I was reading about. So they could get some guys that they could plug in. They did they did draft some offense lineman. We're gonna get to that. So that is one thing that concerns me about Rosen. I feel bad that he's gonna go from you know, an impossible situation last year Zona with a terrible offense coordinator and no talent on offense coming here. I think we have a little bit more talent on offense. I wouldn't. I just I mean, they're offensive line was terrible. But I mean, they have one of the best running backs. They have you know, they had they have Larry FitzGerald, even though he's not what he was. He's he's still a guy you could throw to. I mean, their skill positions is not awful in pretty bad. I mean, even David Johnson last year was was not very good. I'm saying I'm just saying like, talent wise or skill position was okay? Yeah. That was a probable, but without a line. You know, it doesn't matter. The dolphins run blocking last year was actually not bad. It was their pass blocking where they ranked second worse than the league. So they're run blocking was actually. Okay. So I think we'll have a semblance of running game. I'm sure Florez and O'Shea are gonna like an install that earned still that in this team. So we'll we'll see how that goes. But I mean, I am and we'll we'll obviously we'll see how all this plays out in camp with the, you know, the competition between Fitzpatrick and Rosen, then I think we're in agreement here that it will be an actual competition between the two of them one of them's being handed the job. Correct. Which will be you know, it'll be interesting stuff to talk about. They have everybody back. What's going on? Now. There's now just undesired weird optical illusion on your mic. Oh, cool. Oh, no. It's not. It's totally dented. All right. So the wide receivers are, you know, I think they have some talent wide receiver. If they come back healthy the wide receiver. Core is great. Yeah. Stills I mean, Albert Wilson should be fine. Grant. Devante Parker favorite. Well, I'm more about the I'm more about the Wilson grant combo, and then stills grants carnback's Killys, which is which is a tough one and come back from especially if your speed guy. So if they get one of those two back, I'd be I'd be I'm sure they'd be thrilled. Maybe second makes a leap finely or not finely. But maybe he makes the leap at this will be a second season. So maybe he'll actually do something Drako pry gets them some run, which will be nice. You know, they could do some things on offense. I think so we have a fullback now. Yeah. We'll get to that. All right. So like I said mentioning segue into the third pick that third the third the third round pick for the dolphins. Michael the center guard combo from Wisconsin. Plug in don't know much about him. But pretty highly rated interior linemen for this drafts. They got him with the seventy seventh overall pick. I don't know if he's gonna play guard or Senator seventy eighth. Okay. I don't know if he's gonna play garters center. I don't I think the dolphins could use them. An either spot would be nice to see him lined up at left guard next to Tunsil is. Like, a everything I've heard is he you know, he'll he'll be him him in as Yata will be one of the guards. So, and that's all speculating, but those are that's that's the buzz. I've been hearing. Yep. Read something about him being a leader on that Wisconsin offensive line. That's a pro style running big ten type of offense. They run up there. So a lot of these offensive lineman coming out of college or not used to running pro NFL styles. That's why a lot of them struggle so much this guy should hopefully be able to come in and be kind of a tough versatile interior linemen, which is something this team's been lacking for a while. So I like that pick a lot. I hope he can. Slate. Again, we'll see if he's gonna play guard or center like I said, I think they could use them in either place. 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Josh Rosen was our second pick. And Michael dealer was our third pick. I think that's a pretty. Address things that I wanted them to address all the all the conversations we had leading off line defensive line. I wanted an edge rusher, but they went defensive tackle instead. But defensive line offense of line. I ordered been happy every pick was on offense or defensive line this year. I was happy that sprinkle the quarterback in there and elite prospect at that so kudos to that. But if if this deal for Rosen didn't come through to a way to to a price they liked I'd have been had I've been fine with going into next year with the extra capital with FitzGerald. And not even having maybe grabbing one of these guys agree or somebody late here. I wonder who they would have drafted had the Rosen thing not going through. I mean, obviously would have been alignment. Maybe a rusher. Maybe they had Jones peg in the third round. And when he went sixth overall, they were like, well, that's that's out the window. They weren't close to getting lock in the second round. That's the Broncos Detroit up in front of them. He was their third pick. Drew lock was. But do you think they would have taken them if he would have been there at forty eight because they did they they treated the fortieth pick like right when it was their turn like they held it right up until then it wasn't like it was traded ahead of that was even the that was that was from what I read someplace that that deal that was always going to they were always going to hold that pick. And then decide if they were trading if for whatever so you know, you know, that I liked I liked lock. I know you did. Yes. And everybody else that you know, all twelve listeners is that why we're in Broncos colors this. I got the draft hat. I bought the draft hat. Tweeted about it. Yeah. So anyway. I'm I'm I'm happy. They got Rosen. I think you know Rosen or lock they're similar type of quarterbacks. They're the same height. They both have quick releases and big arms, and they are mechanically sound. And they're pretty good athletes. I think probably the better athlete, I guess out of the two. But I'm glad lock stayed in the AFC because I think he's terrible. All right. Well, either I don't know. I was like I said, I I'm happy with so we're happy with the first three picks of this draft. Yeah. All right. So we get into the fourth round. And this is where most analysts thought the dolphins made a reach. This was another Wisconsin, badger and outside linebacker, Andrew van gingko. That is not true. He was the fifth round the fourth round pick right in that. Swap of went to the saints, so fifth round pick, Andrew Van Gogh. And they still thought he was reaching the fifth round. Did some research on this guy? He was a Jew co transfer from are not Uko one AA transfer. So he was at South Dakota state and transferred to Wisconsin. He was. My think all big ten this year. Pass rush ability. That's what he translates to. He'll be like kind of an outside linebacker in three four scheme. One of those hybrid type linebacker defensive end, rush guys. He's on the smaller side, though. I think he's willing to hundred forty pounds. I think so I don't when you're in the fifth round and passed. I I have no problems on what people take, you know. What I mean, you never that's and that's kind of reveres made his name is with these. These late round picks out any superstars, but he's found some really solid players been contributors for this dolphin team. Just really sorta hanging my hat on this. I don't know if a floor is and companies going to be able to mimic the patriots style of defense. But you know, the guys they're picking seem like they could fit into that scheme. Right. We might no one's been able to pull it off outside of New England yet, it might be Abella, check only ability. But, you know, so, you know, the guy may work, you know? Yeah. So the the his ratings coming out for most of the scouts. They didn't love him. They thought this was kind of a reach. They say projects us special team guy. I mean, I'm sure he'll some specialty. I hope he makes the team first of all. Because once you're talking about these picks. There's there's no guarantee they make the team. But I mean, you know, they they need help at edge. You know, there's not a lot of depth there. So he's going to have every opportunity to make this team and be a contributor from day one. So I'm excited to see you know, what he can you know, what he brings to the table. When what he provides seems like an effort motor, you know, high motor type guy. So we'll see so that was their fifth round pick. Thank you for correcting me there. So that means their sixth round pick was his last name was prince. What's his first name is as I say prince his name is Isaiah print. I was right, right. Tackle from Ohio State. Not super highly rated obviously the sixth round pick. But big on polished. Yeah. Very good run blocker needs work in pass blocking from what I understand his a hard time with the we. Yeah, we meet bodies on the offensive line. I think he's gonna have every opportunity to start. Don't think we want him to start. I mean, obviously, I mean unless he turns out to be a diamond in the rough. Yeah. But I think we'd be we'd be better off if we do find somebody into start ahead of him. And he's death again big now to be able to start later. Yeah. Big ten school grades out hires run blocker pass blocker. We'll see how. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see how it works out. I mean, he's got all the athleticism in the world is a big guy mini should be. You know, he'll have every chance to play seventh routers. They drafted fullback, Chandler Cox. From Auburn, I watched them film on this guy houses lead blocking look pretty good. I guess Auburn written kind of weird off. I don't know. Do you ever watch Auburn play? They ran this. They spread offense. But they do they have a fullback in it. So and again, I out there, and he's like, I mean, he was pancakey like, you know, smaller quarterbacks. And I think we're you know, we're might be looking at the patriots style of running backs. There's the got they've got, you know, the big bruiser. They've got the the pass catchers they've got the guys to run between tackles, and and you never know what you're gonna get. And they're they're going to skin yet. So. Goes drinks fantasy value. We'll see we shall see. Then that leads us to the last bit was miles Gaskin from Washington. Interesting stats about him. I think he's the only player in history to have a thousand yards rushing all four years that he was in college, which is pretty impressive. Not the fastest guy kind of a smaller more elusive Scott type back. So maybe he makes the team. I mean, there's not a lot of depth running back either. I will say the places that they drafted. These guys are all going to get opportunities to make the team like these were areas of need. So. We'll see I mean, hopefully, they hit on you know, they. They've done a decent job drafting, I will say like, I mean, like, they haven't found many, you know, I like them superstar difference maker type players, but they've you know. They've definitely found solid contributors. So I'm you know, what I'm fine with the with the safe picks to like this team needs needs bodies, contributing bodies. Yeah. One thing about this draft is normally he does like those the smaller. The smaller school guys. And these were all these all major college programs that he drafted from. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. So that's that's interesting. And I think going into camp. I like I said, I know I've said it a couple times now, but all these guys are gonna get an opportunity to play and contribute right away. So yeah, I'm excited to see how it works out for you know, I think you know, again looking at the front of the draft. I think the first three picks all have, you know, they're very likely to start. You know Rosen has a chance to start, but Wilkins and dealer will most likely be starters. So Aren catastrophe. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Knock on wood here. Yeah. And Rosen could be your your starting quarterback. So we'll see. I mean, I don't I'm not a big guy for draft grades right after before any of these guys play snap. But. L? I like that Lally. They they hit areas of needs. I mean, you know, they drafted you know, where they where they needed to draft. I liked it. Because it felt like if we don't know what they're thinking. But this felt like if felt like they had a plan, and they stuck to it the they didn't get flustered. Something didn't happen. There guy. Wasn't there? All of a sudden picking you know, somebody that they don't need their or a reach. I I don't know if like these had it feels like for once the dolphins have a plan a good plan, and they're sticking with it. And I like it. I think this is a good stepping stone to go into see what you have see what shakes out this year for this team win your seven to nine games. Yeah. I said seven to nine. No, it's not that different from last year. Steam rich for the stars. I agree. I one hundred percent agree that, you know, there's places like the offense offensive line was a problem, and that's probably worse. So that's the scary in defensive line. So you know, it's hard to win without those two things. But. They weren't good there last year. So I mean, they they got they got to do something different right under after free agents just to just to touch them real quick one of them. They got was from Colorado state Preston Williams, big wide receiver six four like to twenty. Red of pretty fast forty. So the reason he wasn't drafted use a disciplinary case I believe so he's one name to watch in camp. I guess he was one of the top rated undrafted free agent. So and he's coming to the dolphin. So maybe somebody to push Parker and camp is that a taller wide receiver on the outside. Out that door. Very similar builds. So I guess, you know, it's nice to have two of those guys. So we'll we'll see how that works out some of the other undrafted free agents. I there was a guard. I think they signed there was well, so I'm looking I'm looking list here. We had the the linebacker Terrell Hanks who was like. Apparently, he was all over the pre-draft map. He was like some people that ended up being undrafted because of poor testing metrics. And I'm not a lover of you know, putting everything in the combine. So if you know if they can make plays is inside linebacker outside linebacker. Just gives me LB. So. So. Where do you go to college? He went to New Mexico state. Okay. I'd like eight inch eight career interception. So he's like a middle linebacker. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Yeah. I mean. An in mayor from Maryland, they go linebacker trae Watson. I all big ten, you know, there are spots on this team Williams from Colorado state. That's who you mentioned there are spots on this team. So. I see. And so they got another another wide receiver Trenton Trenton Irwin from Stanford defensive end Jonathan Ledbetter. Georgia. Petr ledbetter. Yes. Yeah. And another defensively. Yeah. So we got some defensive ends couple cornerback so triple Cornerbacks. Yeah. Plenty we got a whole team of people here plenty of opportunity. So yeah. So we'll see how this works out. You know, obviously, we'll get see them play in the preseason. And then during the regular season. See if any of these guys are. Yeah. Gonna make difference makers. But yeah, it is. It's it's always exciting. I do I do like the draft. So that's coming gone. We're going to get the second round of free agency. You know, we'll see there's still many holes on the team to plug. So. But I agree. It does seem like there's a plan. And you know, we'll. Keep those fingers crossed God damnit them. So how am I so excited? This Josh Rosen hated him a couple of weeks ago. I believe. Hates the wrong word, but. How little confidence how much lack of confidence we added him. But I didn't I. Coming out of the draft last year. I liked him. Like he was like he was one of my like I liked him more than darnold and Allen. I don't know. So we'll get implantable he's better than both of them. Now. I. We hope so. All right. So we kind of tease it at the beginning of the show. We're going to get into you know, our our nerdy stuff. Now. Are you look like you're thinking about something over there? Yeah, I'm trying to think of we should talk about endgame or I was going to start within game and game of thrones. And game of thrones. So all right spoilers people and then game. Yeah. If you haven't seen adventures endgame or you're not current with game of thrones. On don't watch the Spiderman trailer that came out today. Yeah. Spoils endgame. It certainly spoils actually before there was a message from Tom Holland that actually told you that. So it was like they're good about that. And even the headlines of clicking on been like then game spoilers. Yeah. So we can talk about that as well to. That'll be nice time. I wanna talk about that. So all right, cool. So endgame, I what did you think? I loved it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I liked it a lot. I thought it was a really good job. I thought they didn't excellent job of tying the whatever the first twenty three movies together. So mice little bell on top. All right. This is what I absolutely loved about. It. I didn't know a damn thing about America's ass. No. That is America that I didn't know a damn thing about this movie trailer was literally the first three minutes of the movie that little little things like Thor and hulk and what they looked like five years in the future were amazing surprises, the hit you. Yeah. Fat door was prime. That's in every those four of those things are in the trailer. Those are ruined in the trailer. Right. And the fact that I had no idea those things were coming was amazing. The professor hulk was good. I mean, they kind of tease when they showed the hulk wearing the because the did show him wearing the space suit or whatever time travel to is. Like, you kind of thought it was like, wow. How do they get him to wear clothes? But, but yeah, they didn't show Marin glasses or anything fat. Thawra was great though that was like like literal PTSD like. Eating his feelings or those drinking is drinking great. Yeah. That was really awesome. Overall. I mean, just there was just a lot of emotions like just from going from the first iron man movie all the way to the end of this and the way it worked out, but the, but the way they the way they did the time, you know, obviously, there's always you're always going to quibble with with time travel things I like to the way going, but like going into scenes that we were familiar with and things and watching it from both sides, and like redoing those like I loved it. It was so much fun. The comedy was great. Somebody was says Ryan Clark was telling me that the the the comedy in the beginning. He didn't he like you thought it was thought it fell to force. I guess he didn't like the captain marvel stuff. And I was like, I don't know. I thought it was fine. Like, I kinda liked that they did that at the beginning. Because they like just you know, they went like I wanted that would've made the most sense right fans. Like right away. Yeah. Kill him. And you know, or look Viggo right after him to get the stones back, and then he had destroyed them. So that was the logical thing to happen. So it was it was cool. Like, I mean, you're not gonna. Get three hour movie. If you know, that's the easy way out right away. So it was I love the way. I mean, he didn't have his army anymore. Thanos was he was done like, so he was you know, it made perfect sense narrative Li like to to end that way. Like he had he had accomplished his mission. He lost his army. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. If you want, and you I they they we talked up captain marvel, and she's she's pretty damn strong. And she wasn't in the movie that whole lot there that either because it was like it wasn't like it'd be kind of just yet everything. So like, I like that they you know that she had her place. And it was it was great when she was in the movie, she was awesome. Right. No. I I really. Yeah. I love Thorpe chopping his head off chopping his hand off right away. Like, it was you know, they were really setting the tone like right away. Like, this is going to be like a darker, you know, kind of different not really that different kind of the same basic. But it was great. Hawk eye slabs Ronin. I mean that was a pretty dark dark turn for. I mean, making a terrible character. Interesting was was good. Isn't that? I mean, he's a character. He's terrible. Pows good in this movie. Like, this was the bis was the best use of Hawkeye. He was a big part of ultra not that was the by. He was a big part of the I I didn't really care for vendors one oral Tron to be honest. Like, I thought and Hawkeye was a big reason. Like, really like it really the character bothered me. I'm like how is this person alive and killing all these robots and jumping off skyscrapers black widow. She didn't she wasn't doing that kind of stuff. She wasn't. I mean, it wasn't. I agree. I agree. But it's like, I mean, you're setting some rules like, he's like useless. And you're making him seem like as powerful as ironman role for that the way they did him in this movie was much better. Would you agree like his character? I mean things that were like way out of his wheelhouse Tron, which I think it's more than needs. I think it's okay. I don't it gets crapped on more than I think it should like became self aware of himself. Robots, and I got a bone arrow. None of this makes sense thought. That was hysterical. Like, yeah. Poke fun of yourself because you know stupid, but they toned it down made it like the scene with him in black widow where they had to get the soul stone. Yeah. That was made one of my favorite scenes of the whole movie. That was amazing. So they made characters that's terrible, man. It was heart wrenching, joy that your MAs star. Well, it was heart wrenching. But that's the whole, you know. Right. Made you feel something. That's when you finally laughed. No, I didn't laugh. It was good. That was that was an amazing scene. I liked my my big gripe with with Infinity war, again was know, we talked about this before on the show was that you knew everybody was coming back everybody that died back. But they did they did a really good job of like they I mean, it wasn't the stakes are still high like they moved. They lost five years. They went, you know, Ford. It wasn't like they came right back. So they did they did a really good job with it. And I'm looking forward to watching. My biggest problem is together both movies together. I think will be really cool to watch five years. How does how does he just go back to high school? We're gonna wanna talk about that one too. So that's that's my one thing that I guess that leads into the Spiderman trailer for the next big all his friends were part of the snap. Because they're still an exactly like did was that imply like when he came in found net because it's happy to see him. But I didn't know if and that's the thing. Well, honestly, if Ned wasn't so good in the first movie, you could have made him five years older. But what was he left back five times? So obvious. He was snapped. And you're like what it's been like a day for each of you guys. So but all of them are in homecoming are far from home. Exactly. So Spiderman trailer the next movie coming out all of the characters from the original Spiderman movies Spiderman homecoming, well, we say, oh, I mean, there was there's the four. It's it's the new Mary, Jane, it's Ned and it's flash. And it's him. So I mean, it's for I mean, I guess that's the only those are the only ones. That's yeah. I mean, those were the main distinguishable carrot. So maybe they were all snapped out. And they could have been snapped out. Okay. Okay. That makes that we'll find out when we watch homecoming far from home sorry far from homecoming far from home coming. So the trailer the new trailer for for far from home was drop today, and it looks. I mean, the first trailer looks great. But this one looks even like, yeah. This was cool. It was really good. So kind of left it kind of gave us a couple curveballs. Yeah. So they're like, you know. The spider-man's kind of being pushed as the the new iron man for this. So we are breaking in are we we can go. Well, we got like we can break or we can go. How long you talk about this trailer? Let's wrap up the trailer real quick. It was just it was a very good trailer. If you haven't seen the trailer yet, I would definitely recommend washing. Especially for your Spiderman fan, I really liked the direction they've gone with the time home spider, man. I think this is going to be cool. I'm a little little weirded out by what they're doing with with stereo like it could be a red herring. Like, it's got to be. I mean, that's that's I mean, the character himself is a red herring. So like, I'm hoping that's what they do with it. But but honestly, it's so obvious. I I'd almost be glad if it's not like, I'm happy either way. I'm like going in. I'm which would set me up to be duped by which is fine. I really hope that's what they do. I think it would be hysterical and not hysteria. Like like, what like what the character is just for like, you know, but they're all they're opening up the multi-diverse, and maybe that universe's mysterious row, and there's another one from this one that ends up, you know, become, you know, his counterpart. Yeah. And in the multi verse the X men lived there and the fantastic. That's good stuff. No. It's exciting. Kudos to tomorrow. They they did a fantastic. I mean, it was for me. It was a little bit of a slow start. Like, I wasn't the biggest fan of some of the earlier movies. But no, the the second ironman was great. The I was actually enjoys it was bad iron men. I enjoyed the all three ironman bins and the captain America. Was great one was one of the best. Now. Thor ragnarok was amazing. I was like towards guardians. The first guardians was great. That was for me. That's when it started to change when it got started getting like really good like really got sucked into it. I was like this is great. And like they're starting to tie everybody together. So you on talk thrones, we will talk thrones. When we come back. Beyond say, Arianna 'Grande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means how it's made. And why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture. Switched on pop won't reveal for you. 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Most people have seen adventures. But you have you you went twice. Yeah. That's that's the two hundred billion dollars. Well, I did that you spend a little too much for your ticket on vendors. I went to common news. You spent one hundred one hundred and fifty billion on your on your one ticket. And that's what drove the though. No, no, no, no. I didn't spend early that much. So thrones thrones final season. So we are. This is episode four just been you for has been episode for is maybe maybe the worst episode of thrones I've ever seen. I don't I don't want. Trying not to be hyperbole man here. I'm enjoying it. But I'm thoroughly I'm disappointed. So I like to kind of felt this way since the source materials been gone. Yes. Very much. This has been my it's basically like you like you were used to like a like a gourmet meal. We're like every detail was intricately everything was was meticulous. And like really like well done. It was like nothing you've ever tasted. It was amazing. It was unique. It was completely different. And now it's like really really good fast food like it's just like, I mean, it's still good shake shack or from a you went from Ruth's Chris to shake shack. I was thinking about data 'cause it was like, but I'm going, right? I gather. That's true. Yeah. For like the for the masses true. Okay. Terrible this this. Yeah. That's true. We don't even have shake shack here talking. Good point. Yeah. So like, but it yeah. It's it's gotten to be like, it's really really good fast food like it's very satisfying. It's it's still to me. It's still the by is even it's even less imaginative is yours. It's you had a guy who didn't who wrote his story. God willing. He finishes really wanna read the book, right? You know, when you had the source that you wrote these stories, nobody was safe. That's what made it all fun. Once it was over. It was it was a couple of guys who read way too, many blogs and want to please every fan boy, and is and then not taking any of the chances not doing any of the things that they were frayed people will get mad at like killing some any of the top seven characters in the show over the last season and a half are still alive. Yeah. And also and just the the dumbness the dumbness the dump them. This is really like that's like establish these people is like berry, very detail oriented. That's why they survived as long as they did. And now they're complete morons. Like, oh, we're gonna have to believe that one out. Now that was believed the way do what you said it. All right. Well, yeah, they have it's maddening to me like, yeah. We're fifty one. How how stupid these people have become like like Danny's descent into villainous like is like it's being so telegraphed figures. I think it's the caffeine and doesn't work well threats. Oh, we'll get to that. It's being so telegraphed. And it's and it's done so clumsily poorly. Like, it's like the way they ended last season. They had almost no hint at this, very very, very subtle. And then all of a sudden, I don't get why why do they feel like they had to cram so much into six episodes. Like, why did they why did they make it six if this would have been ten episodes? This is stretched out. Well, okay. And that's true. But my bigger problem. Let's go to let's go to the battle with battle winter fell. Let's go back to that. Let's start from the first episode. So I was great, right? Like, you get like I actually thought that was like the first two episodes. We can lump them together because they were kind of like one super like. Like. Ups, and yeah, but it was like it was thrones at its best. Like, it was lap wouldn't say thrown. It's. Detail like a lot of like a lot of dialogue like a lot of characters getting to know each other development of the characters like reestablishing the plot. Like like making everything clears like, you know, the players in the game. Like, everybody's like here here, and here, it's a smaller story now because everybody's condensed which is can be good. And it was it was set up for something. Great. And then it was I liked. So I liked the better. I liked the long night that episode episode three which was the battle of winter fell. You did not. So I will let you go first. Yes. I did not like it. I. This is the battle. This is the battle of the battle. This is what we've been talking about. This is the winter is coming. This is the whole this is the more important than who sits on your throat on your throne. Agreed. I was shocked that this was like so this was happening. I talking about if you commanded an army of undead are you going to walk up by yourself? Leave your line of lieutenants behind you just went through the whole episode like I gave you like your your soapbox. You went through ninety minutes. You went right to the end because ninety minutes of that show was was unnecessary and boring. It was I don't need slow motion. I don't need battle scenes where a one armed Jamie, Lancaster, would've should've died in six seconds. And somehow he's still hacking people away with. Like, nobody. It's. It was dark. I didn't even mind the darkness because it it made fell out it looked awesome. But I have I just bought a new TV. And it's not that awesome. Enjoyed the effect of the dark Knight. Like, the not being able to see it added to the scariness of added to the to the weight of it. But I felt I felt it was it was drawn out though, the slow motion way to win over like didn't even mention like the way the episode starts like with with. No asandra coming out and lighting on their swords on fire was awesome. Then they that was like one of the most incredible moments of television history. That was incredible. I'm talking about why? I hated it. I'm not gonna talk about the good things. I'm talking about. Why saying you're not giving any credit like I mean, it was like literally like one of the best events television history. Like, I can I can't think of anything more incredible than that whole. All really. Yeah. It was amazing. No. All right. Like, you weren't on like the at the end like the part that you're about to shreds like you are on the edge of your seat. Like holy. Like, what the hell is going to happen? Like, no like, no. No, you didn't see the clip of the bar where they were showing it and it was like a World Cup for now. It wasn't like that for me. That's crazy. It wasn't like because I'm like, why is who cares about useless brand guys use? He's who I've had problems with brand the entire time. But yeah. All right. I'm sorry to keep it around. So if I have. You you over run with your with your army of dead, and you sit way back. Nice nice and cozy. And when they're all dead. You can you can go and piss on brands corpse going up there and putting yourself when when you die the whole thing. Just this whole big battle for whatever. One dude gets get stuck with a tiny little tiny little dagger. And the whole thing disappears. Larry steele. There's like three of them in the whole there's there's none of them. There's barely any of them. Really? Okay. Here. Here's a list of people with Valerian steel saw happened to be in the same place. Well, so so why couldn't they at least knew this? So he he has those like eleven Lieutenant night Walker people's right? Sure. Everybody out. There's gotta Valerian seal sort during the battle doesn't know that they don't that was one thing. They don't know that Valerian steal kills them. Well until John did it hard home. They were there for that. They saw one sword. They didn't know what they didn't know. Whether it's mindless zombies, let me get to my point. We would have been so much cooler. So so you've got these people fighting you've got like holy shit. Like, Jamie Lyon has just about to die. And and like and now jor Mormon takes down one of those Lieutenant guys and like an eighth of their army disappears and boom and now and now all of a sudden this guy, save go. I would agree with and they hacked their way through and now they're getting to the to the night king, and he gets through and gets the brand. Now, are you can come in. And do her thing. Like, it just was so anticlimactic. They did it. I will. I will agree. Like it was not perfect. Like, I don't like it had. Many many many holes like that seeing that I too was was beautiful and fantastic. Look at was more onic in stupid because of how much you wasted the way it was shot with aria show and flying over the shoulder and getting caught and the amazing great. Yeah. So I'm not saying I didn't I enjoyed the episode's. They were disappointing writing the way they're doing feel like it's more fan service than storytelling. Sarah's vissarion coming down and like blocking the gate and like John being trapped. They're like I thought that scene was like it was like, it was heart wrenching. It was just like the tension was palpable. Like it was. And then he gets up to scream at the dragon. And then there was one thing that I was reading was he wasn't like he was like he screaming go because like, I guess era aria was blocked by the dragon as well. So he was he saw her. And that's why he screamed at it to like let her go through to get through to the night king because he knew he couldn't like you knew he wasn't gonna make it. So that's that's what that was. And I don't think it was clear clear enough. Like, I agree that it. Wasn't clear enough. I had to read it. Right. So I didn't know that. Yeah. So that made it a little bit more. But like, I agree like it would have been cool to see somebody like kill one of the walkers and half of the army dying. The fact that Sam made it out alive was. Everybody made it out alive. Jor in theon. Those are those are the ones those are big losses. I can buy like the Jamie Lancaster thing. Agreed. I can I can barely by that one just from his like soldier savvy of getting up against the wall and just hacking until the Nike died. Sure. Foaling? Yeah. A Sam on the ground falling underneath like like like there's no way in like he wouldn't have lasted that long. Anyway, he would not have made it back into the castle. The first guy that kill one of these things he would have died immediately in this battle. And that's like I didn't know why they had to do that with him like make him like like like Tyrians down in the crypt. Like, I mean. Like, I don't know. There was. It could've been better. But I really I really did like I'm enjoying it. I'm waiting for the wrap up. Totally but it could. But it's just it's just I could should be so much better. Agreed one hundred percent agreed. And my big problem started with this. Most recent episode episode four. Would you like to kick this one off or how did you feel about? This most recent episode. Do you feel did you feel? It was stupid as the third one. Because it seemed like he thought the third one was pretty stupid. No, this this one this. I did not like this one this one. Of all time. I think so there's there was some from season seven that. There was the first half where good to know. It was a stupid soap opera. It was. It was. Okay. It was like too much of this. Like, oh my God. You people kidding me? With your with your other, drink wine e soap opera, stuff, the just the I'm fine with gingery like kind of proposing to aria. But the way the way it went was was like I thought I thought that was written poorly. I thought that could have been better with with him being like, hey, we can you know, let's do our thing. And she'd be like, yeah. That's not me. I was actually. What? Oh, man. I wanna keep talking about thrones. We can make that happen. All right. All right. Hold on guys. Oh, yeah. I'll just keep talking because you can't hear the music started playing. So. So the gantry stuff was was kinda dumb. And like, it was it was a little everything felt forced like that's what that's what it's like starting to feel like they're cramming everything in here like it's so fast. Like, I liked the celebration seen like I liked. I really liked John speech to the beginning. Like, I thought great John gives a moving speech where they're burning the bodies of all the dead, how they were the the shield of men, you know, the world in overseas or light again like the whole like everybody became a member of the the night's watch basically, which was kind of cool. I thought. I didn't like and we touched on this a little bit. I don't like the order like I don't like how this is in the middle of the season. Like, I feel like this should have been the end of the story. Well, narrative, let makes way more sense than what they're doing. So and I think in the books this is the end of it. It's should show has always been more about the game of thrones. It's about the iron throne and not about though, but even. That's what I'm saying. The underlying thing they made it sound like this was more important. And then it turned out. It wasn't important. It was not as it was easy. It was easy to get around. We decided to send a fourteen year old ninja in with a with a pointy stick. And then it was over the thing that just it just kills me. Is that like I and it even goes back. The problem goes back into last season. Like with the dumb decisions like he was just like. Cool episodes for sure like that like the north of the Wallops owed and season. Seven was great. And I don't even mind like the -cational dumb, especially now. Like, it just shows how stupid it was just like it was like a force plot device to give the night king dragon because there's no need for them to go up there at all to save John. She loves him. No. No. No, no. There's no reason for anybody to go up there at all they had to get a white Walker to bring back to prove to, sir. See because why why don't they just kill Searcy like just kill her? They wanted her to have to fight with them. I just just dumb like in like narrative like it would make way more sense to win that war. But how else would we find out the gender has the speed of the flash. And he could run back to the to the castle and six minutes. So the dragon can get there in time that was dome like just anyway, so this episode, so we're back in the most reason episode of game thrown so and I love the show and. Still think it's like the best thing on TV. We're we're we're a little more than Nick picking. Yeah. But you know, it's still good. But these are things that bunked us especially because everybody's like still like blown smoke up there. But how great it is. And I'm like, this should be better. It'd be better should be what it was. And it's not what it was. I think I think they're honestly, I think they're kind of sick of it. Like, I think that's why they've like that's why they're fast forwarding through all of it. Because I think they want to be done with. I mean, they've been doing it for eleven years making a billion dollars. They're going to continue to make a billion dollars. Wow. I'm not watching the prequels. No, no, better often Weser doing like Star Wars things after this. They're going they're fine. Pretty sure anyway. No. I mean, just Star Wars in general I like Star Wars. It's just like this. We'll talk about that another time. So yeah. The celebration was good like I mean, I I liked seeing that I like seeing the characters survivors. Yeah. I mean compared to what happened at that. Yeah. The pacing was way off because then then jam they jammed in a whole like two episodes into like twenty minutes like it was ridiculous. It was and it was just again more more onic decision. So you have. Just what is brand new like seriously? Like like, why did he get all those powers to not use them at all? So like, you can't like you can't have him scout your spy on Searcy like something to tell you what they're doing before you send the most. The most valuable he's lives in the past man. So you have you have the most valuable rarest of weapons you had three of them. Now, you have two one is very seriously injured, and you're going to fly across the continent. You're not gonna. You've been ambushed once already by the same army in the see that had a giant crossbow, and you're not gonna. At least fly high enough to see if there's anybody ahead of you like you don't even have to send us by like you have a motor again. Again. You're the worst. I know sorry, we're going to have to. So you fly you fly high over everybody to see if there's any ships ahead of you. If there's any if there's any ships hiding behind any rocks or anything like that. No, no. We're all we're all morons now. Like we've already established these characters were geniuses or. Tactically savvy in the past. But now have just become morons. I dunno. So ragle dies view Slee and pointlessly like that was so dumb just felt so forth. Like, oh, we need to make this even like we need to create tension. What could it kill the one that Danny was on because that wouldn't have worked for their for their forced plot narrative that they're really trying hard to make it seem like like series actually threat, and then oh, and then the the criminal creme like they go to the twenty of them go to the gates like Sears and Searcy who establishes a monster. That will stop at nothing doesn't kill all of them like decides to to to not kill them. And let them live like could've easily killed all of them, right then and just ended. It all dozen. But just kills me Sunday. Did you see the one that won Meam is a picture of Michael Gray skull of grey, worm Masan day in the background? It's like oh. She gets a little piece of her cut off. And now you can't date her. Wouldn't if a crit. That's great. But just I mean, you know in predictions for what's going to happen. Like they've obviously been teasing this season. They've been forcing this this narrative of Danny turning into the villain. So I'm sure that's going to happen. The next episode and she's going to literally kill everybody in king's landing. Probably. And then the last episode will be John having to kill her. So they're forcing three giant conflicts into six episodes. And it's just that just is pointless. And it's it's it's a disappointing end. Unfortunately, I'm so it's still going to be to left, right or three left who left. Yeah. So the penultimate episode is usually like we're a bunch of crazy things happen. So I would imagine. Yeah. But we don't, but that's also because they like wrap up and get you ready for next season. There's no rep up in next season. So you think there's going to be there's going to be like armor for drug on or something like that? Like he's going to have like some kind of like. Whether you melt down all that dragons glass, they say. I don't know. Maybe like I dunno like they make something for him. So he's like so he's impervious to their giant because they have a million of the giant crossbows now. Apparently. Yeah. But what if but they don't angle up he could just fly straight up and come straight down on them and rain fire on them. I hope that's what happens. I would do. I mean, I'm like at this point like, I'm really just hoping. That's what happens like it should have happened like, but that's the whole point. You don't want to kill everyone in king's landing. I don't care people. I don't care your your monster. Well, I think there's there is some kind of like symmetry to this too because it was like kings landing was built by targe Arians. Right. So it would be kind of poetic to have the last targe Aryan destroy it before their houses. This whole thing happened because the target area wanted to kill all the innocent people in in there and Jane hill, I'm talking about going back before that I'm talking about like about this landing even exist about this story. This story starts with Jamie, Lancaster killer. Being the bed king because he wants to blow up everybody in king's landing. That's not how it started with. That's, but that's like this heart of the lure of talking about this started. Because it got started denarius is story there. Everybody living's. This is where it this is where it started. Pretty sure is going to destroy a lot of king's landing in the next episode. But that's possible. But that's that's the that's the the symmetry is I'm okay with that. That's terrible. The whole point is the not kill the people all the people are in there. You can't do it. You're not destroying her army. You're destroying the people of king's landing. They just brought them all in to king's landing. Yeah. But they started it. No, not that people. These are farmers. These are the whole these in the whole reason, you're the worst. I'd kill everybody to kill Searcy. I'd be fine with that. I don't not sit on the throne. I don't really care about the throne. I just want to today. Pretty much jammies. Gonna go back and get a little more get some more Levin. Do you think he's going back to killer or trans save her? I think he's gonna go to try to save her. And you think is gonna end up killing her somebody's killing. So my thing is I mean, the prophecy says that the little brother bright, I don't think it's going to be. But the prophecy of Zora high was nothing I guess does. She, but does she died at the little brother's hand because I kind of want to see somebody that had around her throat is what it says. So I want my wonder if somebody uses the his metal hand and kills her. Let's interesting. I was thinking and it could be aria wearing one. I thought it was already wearing Jamie's face. And then and then my thinking was and then she dies by dragon fire because she's in there and denarius burning every so what what I want the end for because you know, it ended with aria. She's like, I'm not coming back. I feel like she's going to die. But well could. But I think she goes back to to the other thing she wants to see what's west of west rose. Right. But I think she might ball. She goes back to the faceless men. She's just be like, I'm she doesn't want that. That's but maybe once he's killed everyone. And there's no reason to be are. Maybe that's what she does. Maybe have a problem with her going back and be like, I don't think she lives. I I mean just with how like how bad that storytelling been and how on the nose things have been feel like I'd be. I wouldn't be surprised if you guys in the books I'd be surprised if they kill her because they're not they're these guys are are frayed to of internet backlash. Here's the. Thing they're trying to thinks. I mean, they've made some I don't think that they're afraid of internet backlash like they've I mean what what have they done kill break. L for no reason. Nobody dragon. There's the dry who cares? They also killed Masan day. Who's like the only like the only woman of color on the show. A useless. Those have a purpose. I mean, I agree worm was going to die on her. Like when like when they made the whole like, you know, when they were to north or they did the, oh, we're gonna make the speech that somebody says right before they right, right, right? I'm going to we're gonna retire too old for this shit one last job. Exactly overtired. I thought I thought he was going to die in the battle. Yeah. I thought so many more people were going to die because terrible and lives. And then he just like he's like just go go go live up north. That was the worst. I'm not gonna look at you like dog. Several times covered in blood still like three days later like oh, man. Like, why are you such an? Yeah. That was that was dumb like goes is like the best like the only dire wolf left like that was supposed to be like such a big IBM. Even I mean. Okay. Go north. He's he's part of the north fine. But go home and cry don't be like you would up. But here's here's what I'll end with all of these stupid. They're they're wanted. They're doing all these shows. They're going to do like Robert's rebellion or this. And that the only show I would watch is aria and the hound. Them on the road Salvin crimes getting into Capers eating chickens and murdering I like I like the long night one. I'd watch. I'd watch tormented ghosts north of the wall to that's true. I'd watch Dorman with anything. Yeah. So. The. So we'll we'll be back with with more thrones talk. I think that's probably this podcast is headed for the rest of the offseason. Only to know. But lots of talk about I'm sure when it comes to thrones. You know, it was even better than the battle wonder fell that episode Barry with that. So good that we let this week with the weekend before where the little friend showed up with the little girl girl got you haven't seen the one with the little girl. I have I have to see a little girl. You would know it. I've I thought it was all caught up on berry. No, you're like to bind. All right. Well, thank you guys for joining us. I hope you stuck around for the nerd fest. It's probably going to be a lot like this for the rest of the off season. We will talk more dolphins next time. Hopefully, some other things will happen second. We've agencies coming up. Anything else? Dolphins was. 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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins keep win streak alive with 29-21 victory over Chargers

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Phinsider Radio: Dolphins keep win streak alive with 29-21 victory over Chargers

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We talked about how special a special teams unit was. They came through the talk of neither of these guys. Got over two hundred yards passing but it was fun to watch in what is going on. Dolphins are six three that miraculous deandre hopkins catch. Now has the half game out of first place. This is an awesome season. And i can't wait to see where you know where this takes us with our recap shows be like the kinda just go off the cuff a little bit and just talk about the wooden general without getting too direction one way or another because i think that's what makes us so much fun of the five game winning streak is we're able to come just talk with what's on our minds and just you know we want to say i'm ready to say. This isn't the same old dolphins. But i have the perfect perfect example of just why. This team isn't letting us forget. The issues of years past the score was fourteen. Nothing and the dolphins were driving up the field again to score for the third straight time. And i looked over at my dad and i said to. I'm like there's no way where this good right like this. There's no way it's this easy. There's no way we're going to go six three. We're just gonna march all over the chargers in a game that display both teams having being different into the spectrum. You know the chargers coming in at two and six dolphins and five and three obviously turning in the different directions but we thought this will still be some sort of a fight. The dolphins were going in for the third straight touchdown. And i'm laughing because it's third down completions to is escaping pressure and just finding open guys. The defense is having its way special teams. I mean we can't say enough about them. Put dependent the most dolphins fashion. As i'm chuckling as the dolphins are about the twenty-one up twenty one to nothing there's the fumble fumble charges get right back into the game but i mean obviously didn't change the the end result which is great but i mean i chuckle at the fact that the second. I'm sitting there thinking. Hey we finally turned the corner. Hey the miami dolphins on this brand new football team which as we're gonna talk about. I'm sure they are but they just had to leave. That little bit of doubt in the back of my mind told me. Don't worry we'll give you this fumble to make you remember that. The dolphins are still the dolphins. Yeah and i mean it it was. I don't know what to say. I mean i i don't know if you saw ted cassidy of the game. He said that it was something with the moisture and his arm. Sleeves were a little wet. And that's what he said to those fumbles accredited towards app. But he did say you know i. It felt so it was terrible to look at those guys in the is and know that you made that mistake because let's be honest. That is where this game changed and we didn't even talk about the first blocked punt starting. That's incredible but i don't know about you but my my my heart is beating on my chest and i was feeling sick to my stomach watching a chase the defender down and try to make that tackle because it just seemed like play was never going to end but it was. It was the same old dolphins. They seem that they overcame that. We know exerting howard again another interception this defense. It's just incredible to see the way. They're getting pressure upfront. We mention christian wilkins and you know him being out of the game and we did miss him but zac steelers stepped up. Big men stepped up. Big every but joe bonito jones and strawbridge. You know he was out there flashing. It's just a group effort and they play for one another in its next man in saudi and it was just awesome to see and i know we're gonna talk about it but it was a total team win on all three phases. I mean on one team you know was floundering and we know that that offense needs to play much better in the second half. I mean. i'm spitballing here. This is what we love about these podcasts. Sitting here just going off the chest but You know it'll be interesting to see the way. The dolphins try to get rid of that. Oh that same old way that say moments howdy and transform into that new mentality of being those winners and being those team that team. That is expected to win those games as we've seen these last few weeks and that's why i have to chuckle because that's what the dolphins are kind of going through right now. The fact that you talk about last week there was byron. Jones and interception went through his hands. He led up another big completion. To christian kirk for touchdown and those are the type of games in past years. You know you'd be a little frustrated like we lost because these games and you look at that fumble. I mean the numbers we're talking about. The momentum started to shift a little bit. But you know you had to running back. They're doing whatever he could to bring that defenders the ground. I didn't write down his name. But that's kind of where you get the feeling that. Hey maybe this is just o team. That is playing winning football and josh. We always do this. Choose your own adventure. I do want to start on the defensive end because in a legally the nfl. I says every week you want to get really excited or really donald players because you have a whole to really stew or really dive into the film and and two guys and we'll talk about one of the later but yukimi grant and nick needham are two guys. I think we are ready to Onto the streets after week one even three or four weeks into the season. But i mean nick. Needham is out here. balling out. Like an absolute stud hit a pass. Defense on Nell that came in third down which is huge. He had a sack on the first. Drive of the game to really foster justin. Herbert he had four tackles on the day. And you look at what he's doing. We all kind of had this idea of our. It was byron jones exhibited howard into obviously so but then you have no banagas a nickname. These guys who could really compete for third quarterback job. Nickname did even glass nap on sunday. Josh nick era. Excuse me nick her no egg monogamy didn't even play a snap on sunday. You look at what the is doing. And you look at just the development growth. And i mean the. That's calling no me a bus. If you have byron jones shutting down mike williams if you have exhibit howard getting his what fifth interception six games and then guinea is still warning from all these guys because god forbid you get way is as well as nick needham when a sack of pass defense on keelan added four tackles the depth. Is there the talent is there. This defense is really starting to look at. Why seen ross really decided. Brian flores as the guy that can do this team all just. Hey that rams game was awesome. You see a full game plan from the first game. The first draft to the second draft the second season the dolphins have a plan and it is certainly starting to work out yet absolutely is and you mentioned nick needham. You're you're waiting for someone to step up and fill that slot cornerback spot. And you've seen him in hat tip to seek a pattern here for saying you know you can look at the five best slot receivers nfl and nick nita shutdown. Now and shutdown cooper kupp who you know those two guys and many people would have in their top five. He's playing great football and that allows us other guys to be dominant on the outside physical brandon. Jones played ninety five percent of snaps. We gotta talk about that but we continue talking about the secondary and how when they do their job that allows guys up front and racine emmanuel ogbah. Another game another sack. This is now six games in a row with a full sack. he actually is I believe it's eight sacks credit the to have sex at the beginning of the year so You know two more saxon. He will tie jason taylor's record of In two thousand and two of eight consecutive. So that just tells you how well man was playing. I mean i don't know if that's you know if they can get this dumb but that would be an incredible feat and we talked about christian wilkins and yes. We missed him. Yes acceder stepped up but soda. Ray davis i mean this guy that we are waiting to see. We said he was an anchor. And you see the talents there and just how massive is in the middle Opens everything for those guys around him. He this was coming out game for him. And just to close the chapter on that secondary you know saving howard fifth interception. He has now tied for first. Jc jackson of the new england patriots and dating back to december two thousand seventeen. He has seventeen interceptions as i own. A number two would be thirteen so he is. I by a wide margin at just goes to tell you just how well you know. Individuals are playing within this defense and this is exciting because this is brian floor was vision. It's coming together. And they're playing pretty damn good football and go out there and stemming justin her which you can have your opinion on him one way or the other but we mentioned it in the last podcast. He was playing record setting football. You know. I don't know that he's had under three hundred yards and and what how many games and and the dolphins held under two hundred i it's impressive and they're getting a job in all three phases of the game. That's certainly the case. And the dolphins improved three into at home. The charges one four on the road and you mentioned davis seven. Total tackles on the day. And you didn't really think like when you hear someone like christian wilkins going out that. You don't think about the big numbers but what you saw. Is jason stourbridge had a tackle for a loss. Benito jones had a tackle for loss. Each of those guys only had one tackle on the game but they're just these impact plays that really put the charters and band situations and you see what the dolphins are trying to do here. And that is formula game plan that puts you just a step ahead of others especially coaching staff. Who you know might play a little scared you. So the chargers time and time again in the third and fourth and one or even fourth in short in the at times they just kind to kick the ball away and so trying something or or putting together some sort of game plan where you can get that extra yard that just put the dolphins ahead in the down and distance ahead in terms of special teams and josh wolff. Jump into the break here. But i want to give you one more opportunity to talk about anyone by defensive end because i mean everybody just seemed to really take turns making a play you saw after being taken off the copen. Nineteen less calvin played. You missed some time to with a hip injury. I thought he was actually be out for most the game based on the niger said but i mean he came in with five. Total tackles a tackle for a loss of quarterback head. Just whoever we can of sit here and talk about. It's the same thing. They all made a couple of tackles. Nobody really had these eye-popping numbers but a quarterback. Hit here a sack there. It just seemed to be the whole team effort where it is a real challenge for offense to really find halo zone out of aqua. Make sure he's not the guy because the shack lost on the other side. It just seemed like a really clean. Well-balanced effort on the defensive end there to really hold the chargers to twenty one points. It doesn't i mean. I truly don't have anyone that i just want to sit here and talk about because it has been like you said is complete effort from everyone. We saw eric rowe coming into the stadium ahead those clouds kind of paying homage to that nineteen seventy-two the no name defense and that's exactly what the dolphins they are. No name defense people you know if you sat there and took the pictures of the dolphins players and put them out in the lineup replied guests. Who with people would not know who the hell hath these players are. And that's awesome. you know. These are young players. These are young hungry players. They're realized that if they put in the work if they prepare week in week out when their opportunities called they go out there make the most of it they will get those opportunities moving forward and we continue to see it. I do need to say this. And i need to say now emmanuel ogbah he needs to be signing. These newly signed asep zach sealer needs to be re signed. Get him out of that mobile home. Get him into a nice frigging south florida. Get him a nice white suit. I mean this guy is the real deal. And he's going to be part of that defensive line. I mean we all like devan god shall we all thought he was very player but he is a free agent this year. You got re kwan. David christian woman guys axiom that defensive tackle then you got guys like benito jones a strobe restrictive stepping up. I mean we. We could see her talk all day about this defense and how. Well they're playing. But it's credit to josh boards. Credit brian floors credit. To these players proponent in the time and they're seeing it paid dividends and it's so exciting because again we'll talk about it. We'll talk about so we're blue in the face this year. Halfway through year to. Brian floors rebuild. I mean this is exciting. This is awesome to see all the hard work finally paying off in to see the dolphins team. More than in the hunt continues. Say the with us for a second. Because you mentioned reciting ogbah. You mentioned some late. God shaw who. At the beginning of the year he was kind of ask some difficult questions that i didn't think we're really fair in terms of his contract. And if he felt slighted if the dolphins not giving them a contract Was disrespectful and things like that and you know we could go into that whole issue in itself but the dolphins are making these guys who i like to think about. It is like giral shared with the new. It's a couple years ago was like top five in the league in sacks and then they just let them walk the thing. I i'm concerned about when we talk about. Hey we gotta send his guys. Now is the issue. We had with andre branch a couple of years ago and i joked that he kind of turned into a pyramid scheme. So only by awesome. He's been dominant. And anytime you're talked about in the term in the same sentence. Jason taylor or cameron wake as he has been all year It certainly this huge honor. I guess that's probably the best way i can say but i i'm kinda nervous talking about new contracts and things like that because i mean i think this is just the way. They're all performing. I don't think anybody could step into the defensive end rule that art has a really be that guy. But i don't know. I just think that we're we're jumping too far ahead the second bring up that seaward in contract i just. I'd like to see how much of this has to do with the brian floor. His system with all these other guys really getting involved. Yeah that's fair and let's be honest you've been hurt in the past and we all have so we. We are a little hesitant. But you know you look at what they did last year and this team. I don't know where where they stand now but i mean they were three sacks away from surpassing what they did last year in a managua. You know he has eight sacks already taco charts and let the team of five last year. So yes i think that it is. A schematic thing. And i think that is why they don't go after david klein. And that is why. They didn't trade for jahic nagata. Why they didn't make some of these moves because it is magic thing. But i think when you got a guy like emmanuel ogbah who you know he was. He was a high prospect people thought world of him and the biggest thing for him was injury. And you know not getting those opportunities. I think now is the time. And i think the dolphins you gotta you gotta tip your hat to a chris gruen them of dumb because this reminds those low risk rewards like you know see when ted caress like we saw with them eric rowe and you her name player after player of these guys that they took this chance on. I think you know menu was best football ahead of him. And i think this guy was claimed off waivers. I mean. i don't know exactly what his contract is. But i think you know he'd be pretty damn happy to get anything more than what he's making it for. How valuable these into this team and how valuable. I do think he has moved forward again. These guys are both young. So i do think that it is a temperature expectations. Let's wait let's let this season play out before we start talking contracts but you know as soon as we start to have these guys at the top of the line because i do think they are huge playmakers in his defense and again their best. Football's only ahead. You're one hundred percent right. And i'm not saying argh isn't worth it. I just after the know all the contracts whether it's the eller bees the wallis's audrey branch get into the contract extension and and that's kind of went along worse. Yeah hundred fifth right. Yeah we've had a lot more misses hits so i completely understand and it just kinda cool. Were sitting here and we'll wrap up our conversation about the dolphins defense here with this. I mean you will determine a scoreless in that first half we're gonna get a special teams after the break. Excuse me first quarter you hold them scoreless than seven points in each quarter after that. I mean that's just winning football. You win did you. You're keen announced name. Yes he scored that touchdown late. But i mean three receptions on seven targets for thirty nine yards. If i i mean josh. We've been putting together content for years. I mean we were nervous about a kaelin bajaj revenge game. We knew that that was in the rumble possibilities despite his struggles. I mean they even did a huge graphic during the broadcast. About how the last time. The dolphins had one hundred yard rusher. It was kaelin balaj during that game against the vikings where everyone kind of fell in love with him. Because of that big run. I think it was eighty something yards. But we're not talking about that. you'll need. He had eighteen carries for sixty eight yards. Obviously not bad but the dolphins defense did everything they could to really contain this offense and get you know they. They showed that kaelin wise game three yards a carry four yards a carry. That's fine that waste clock you know. That's something that these guys really think. Long and hard. About the fact that i think there was one drive on to start the second quarter. The chargers got seven points and it was a lot of blogs running the football but the chargers came back out on their next offensive possession at and that same running gave didn't work. You know you can only do it for so long. The dolphins defense. I think just did a really good job of t. The chargers responsible of running down the field seven to ten plays at a time. And even if you whether it's a rookie quarterback in herber whether it's something like jared goff. You saw a couple of weeks ago. You're gonna make mistakes. Dolphins defense forces these mistakes over seven or eight opportunities on drive and they force you to kind of be perfect absolutely. I think that's goes back to you. Know jumping out that early. Start because it didn't really allow them to run the ball as much as they had liked. You mentioned the eighteen carries for sixty yards. He also led the team in receptions. So kim balaj you know he got a little bit out there but I love what the dolphins defense did how they route again. How they all came together without christian. Wilkins grants up fifteen straight weeks. With the miami dolphins takeaway was take a quick commercial break on the other side. 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Reliability increased capacity and reduce latency cisco in it orchestration by cdw people who get find out more cdw dot com slash cisco josh. We spoke about it last week in our show in terms of doi- football outsiders. they're kind of statistic. That really breaks away from all the the jumble. They actually had the dolphins as one of the worst teams in the nfl. I the two thousand sixteen season So when we look at that kind of stat. I don't dolphin fans are a little slighted but they kinda hit the nail on the head in terms of special teams for the miami dolphins in los angeles chargers because we spoke about how the dolphins entered this week. With a second stevie. Oh in all football in terms special teams and the charges were dead last. And let's just walk through the first three possessions here. That really set up the dolphins at set the tone for this whole game especially having a rookie quarterback black pot. You know we kinda wish. The dolphins have rolled in for a touch on that andrew. Big in code continues to be off awesome then. The dolphins are going for a field goal on their next possession. And a chargers. Defensive lineman is off sides. They end up scoring touch on that drive. And then the chargers go to punt it away in their next drive and a few they had a false start and then if we want to take a step further you had met colleges governor into the returners face and someone wanted to throw penalty on that you just kind of impose his will was acting kinda. I wanna say mean. I think that's the best way to describe us fully. And then there also the time mac holland also rent it. All almost ran into the endzone recovering a punt and kind of handed. Look at himself and say dude. Come on that shouldn't have been that close yet. The dolphins still pinned the charges within the five yard line. I mean special teams man. We we hit on it in the previews they were. They were the difference maker yesterday. They really were. And you know we all know jason sanders. His twenty two. What he had twenty two straight right circle came to an end. He's now a game streak. Matt hawk and i love that matt collins. I i remember what you're saying. He bullied the guy just threw him into his own player. Then kinda did the conor mcgregor. Well yes so. i mean. we're seeing that week after week. Starting to just love what he's doing out there but i mean the special teams unit is playing as advertising. You gotta tip your hat to danny crossman and what he's done. And of course. Kim grant i mean we talked about it. It's more than just the return yards and those things but cream grant has done to the punt to to both kicking game. His has been what we've expected. And i don't want to say that he was you know a little bit inconsistent early owner. You know he really. Wasn't that reliable return man that we wanted him to be. But now i mean it feels like every time he gets the ball in his hands santen. Ma- magic happens and you know if it's not there he does you know he does realize that he's either gonna take take the neil and bring a ball out or he's gonna call for fair cash so tip your hat to this entire unit whether it be you know those those guys making the blocks andrew van ginkel making the coming in and even said that they kind of drew that up and had that design sense total team effort. And you just love to see it whenever you can get a blocked punt after getting ready to get the charges go out and then pounded in from the one yard line. That's going to be a good day of football you know. My dad was kind of disappointed because when the patriots drafted event she was. He was a little disappointed that the dolphins wouldn't have somebody just running around with that long blond hair flowing out of the helmet but a here comes andrew van ginkel to answer that. Call what this guy does week in and week out is been absolutely incredible. I think we saw that. There was a potential of him. Being one of those guys who can maybe make a play here there by every single week. This is coming out and putting the team in a better position. This week with a blocked punt is has been absolutely incredible education. Grant i hit on the on the top for a quick minute but this was a guy after a couple of weeks we were kinda done with. We didn't know if he actually had a spot on the team. There are questionable returns. He wasn't that involved on the offense. But i mean how quickly that has changed with what the dolphins have been doing. He had three punt returns on sunday for fifty seven yards his longest twenty and that math makes it really easy. His average was nineteen and as low as eighteen as really simple. Math fra. so thank you jim. And let's just transition into the offense from there because you can grant he those receptions of any receiver. The dolphins four receptions forty three yards on five targets including a touchdown in that second drive to really get the dolphins that big advantage josh. Who really stood out to you on that side of the ball for the for the home team much like the defense in you know even special teams. It was kind of a group effort here and we mentioned you came granted. Podcast name to step up. He absolutely did. And you even saw some of these other guys like a malcolm perry night sick and get a little bit more involved. You got five targets and devante parker. I mean he almost had one of the most spectacular catches. We may have ever seen so i mean this offense is slowly starting to come together. You're seen the next man mentality but you came grant i mean. He said it on his press conference at his presser last night and he continues. This guy was saying. I'm a wide receiver before returning number was called today. That's what i did. I went out there and showed them not just returner. I'm receiver to on the total package and he continues to you know. Praise the chemistry that he's building with to You know they've had it since camp. And i think he's going to slowly become more and more unleashed but for me. It's just the way the entire offense and those receivers stepped up in the absence of preston williams needing to step up and make those plays to to counter what the charges were capable of. Obviously they didn't need to be that high octane offense. We may have thought. But i they went out there and they. They made some plays in critical moments to obviously get the w. critical moments is so important. Because i think coming into this game after knowing. The team is going to be without precedent williams for i mean. Pick a week. I'd i don't know how long he's gonna be out at this point when you kind of look at this box score without looking at the final score might to a five. He was targeted five times. I think there were a couple of plays with him where you know i think just you missed out on catching a couple balls or at least. He'll certainly tell you that devante parker to for seven. That's something we can. Me gripes about with preston williams for all this time that. Hey you need to take advantage of those targets set in front of you but devante parker. I think one ball went through his hands but he any almost an incredible catch in the end zone. The one handed. I mean a week after the team. The dolphins face get get the shin rule. I i don't know who that became a thing. We saw like three times in the matter of two weeks and all of a sudden. The dolphins can't get the shit rule just again devante parker the best catcher probably the season. I mean that would have been something else and then you came. Grim caught four and five targets worth noting that fifth target came on it. Incredible escape from to and i try not to use hyper while i'm talking about two but this was legitimate. He squirmed away from defenders loved. It up gave to king grant was like a third and nine ray on the goal line. It was just out of his reach josh. We'd be going bananas right now if that was a completion but either way the dolphins offense. I think it's kind of cool to see them find ways to do enough to win even though the numbers might not look pretty. I mean that's what they're doing again. You don't wanna say. They took their foot off the gas in the second half a little bit. But you know they didn't. They realized that what position they were in and they needed to run the football and grind that clock out. And you mentioned that you came grant. I mean how awesome was that. I mean in the back of his head right. I mean the way you shook that guy off. And then if he would if he would hit that would have been the most. That's all we'd be talking about. You're absolutely right but we didn't even talk about the run game and you have to tip your head to sell it online and do that. Let's talk about that run game. I mean i don't. I don't wanna sit here. Are we saying his name role. And that's what i want to know. Because they think it's okay to talk metal so so many. Twenty-one twenty one carries eighty five yards four yards per carry. And then you had that touchdown after that blocked punt but to me. I mean he did enough. And it's kind of that same myles gaskin. You don't wanna say you wanna see more out of this run game because they are one hundred eleven yards on the ground. I mean who's going to be upset with that and is it just a fantasy players in us that sit there and see this and want that. Running back has the hundred and fifty yards every single week. It might be time us all to sit here and realize you know this is going to be that new england tight backfield and it's going to be a you know every week. Whoever goes out there and seems to be running the ball Effectively is going to get those opportunities. Moon ford myles. Gaskin at salvin ahmad are augment. We know they were teammates in college. They're now teammates at the miami. Dolphins is this. The future you know could be two guys that are in this backfield long term. I don't know but we're starting to see these different guys get more involved now. Compare how to carry in that wildcat. Patrick laird at two carries for nineteen yards and deandre washington was out there. You know we saw him make some plays. It wasn't antonio calloway. Everyone see antonio calloway in the past game. We didn't get to see him yet. Maybe next week but washington Care the football two times for two yards so he probably will see his role expanded forward biggest note here though no jordan howard know jordan howard and that's why i think it's so hard to it you mentioned. Is this going to be the running back group moving forward. I think the better way to question. This is this worthy of being the running back duo. For the year myles gaskin and savannah meant and what. I really saw him to somebody. Who's gonna get up and go. This is the best. The running game has looked all year for the miami dolphins averaging four yards something. We haven't seen too often from the miami dolphins did it's a good feeling when you know you block a punt i play. I granted it was the two yards bind. But we know that you know the bills game. You look back to that. The dolphins struggle the two year old. Bud you give matic akmad. Excuse me and he was able to just kinda pounded and get that touchdown and he was able to get. It seemed at times seven or eight yards per snap. Which is so impressive. When you have a rookie quarterback there is well a rookie running back. Who's getting his first career start. That can really move the crew around which is great to see and josh. Patrick laird your boy over here. He had a big third down. Run and i do want to say the one thing. I maybe wasn't a huge fan of it. There were a couple of drives. The dolphins offense really seemed to stall There's one they ran it three straight times. They kept kept the ball to his hands. I wasn't a fan of that. And then they tried to get the andrew washington involved in the second half. He had two carries for two yards on a drive. I think that was in the middle of the third quarter Early fourth quarter. I think they were just trying to see what they had in him. But i mean sonic men has to be the guy moving forward based on these twenty one carries for eighty five yards. And even i mean i looked at his stats here. That one reception. I was kind of scratching my head. 'cause reception for five yards. I thought he was pretty great in the passing game. I thought he laid out some good blocks. That one reception was good for a first down. He added bobbled a little bit. But i mean made the most of it. That's what you love to see. Because last week i mean one of the first questions of floors was asked about augmented. You know he mentioned how he had. He looked good but he also mentioned how he was a liability in coverage. Missed block here and there so it was nice to see that change and we have to tip our hat. I mean we mentioned cheek. Salman kinley was at full back on that on that touchdown run so i mean it was nice. Just obliterate linebacker defender on his way for that touchdown but they need to cook. You mentioned some of these drives stone. Why the heck are they taken the ball out of his hands. I mean you see what he does when it's in his hands. Let this man throw the football. There's no reason why you're running the ball. No matter what the score three straight times. I mean that to me is just you know way too conservative. When you're the miami dolphins when you're trying to you know win these consistent games and go out there and you know not revert back to what we were known for. You gotta you gotta keep your foot on the gas. It works it continues to work so you know maybe maybe we're wrong. Maybe maybe they should continue to do what they're doing but at some point i feel it's going to bite him i'm not going to get to unchain gaily just yet because i think it is a part of it is just letting to get comfortable every snap. He's getting a little bit better There was one play on a second and eight. I believe Seven fifteen left in the first quarter. He has a seventy seven yard. Gain over the metal set to savannah maddie. They're doing roll out to really clean doing it. But he pulled the ball back and he threw to about fifteen to eighteen yards down the field for catch. Kind of move the ball forward. I think those are really nice. Play and worth pointing out. Because these are the types of things you're gonna see continued are comfortable. That's i think. Where a lot of hype around the miami. Dolphins starting to come from is the fact that i don't think too was playing at the level when we can say to has arrived. I don't think he's there. i mean obviously. We shouldn't expect him to be there. And just as third star. But we're starting to see him get to be more and more comfortable and anything that happens in this time as he's getting adjusted to the. Nfl level is a scrapie. Something really exciting to see from this offense. A malcolm perry is starting to get really involved. You mentioned the wildcat gain where he had to dance around the defense he squirmed through. We ended up getting five yards on the play. That looked like it was gonna lose five. He also had two receptions for twenty one yards. He caught both the targets that came his way at josh. I want to end the this day. Talking about brian. Flores the coach of the year candidate. But i do want to mention before we do. That chan daley copy brian. Flores in wearing a vest. I think we need to start thinking of an icon or some sort of symbol for the miami dolphins offense and a needs or miami dolphins. I don't know why said offense the team as a whole and it needs to involve a vast chan. Gailey was wearing one. Brian flores has worn one. I don't know if this is right by saying every single game. He's coached the miami dolphins and he looks like a bad acid. We need to figure out some sort of brand that revolves around. The vast england. Need the best in miami. I'm good with that because stone. Cold steve austin always wore the vest. And that's that's put stone stone cold. Brian floors but before we get into him can coach of the year. And i mean. I think the only person at this point that you can truly contend with him as mike tomlin We got a fish up the all fence and i do. I know. I know that. I feel like i'm kind of cheerleader. For two so i do want to say you know he did make some mistakes. Try to force that ball to devante parker in the end zone. That could have been picked to two defenders there We saw right through the guy's hand on that drop in linebacker which are the exact same way to a made those mistakes and college but they weren't picked. You know that all too much philosophy when breakthrough his hands. No must've been it. Must've been coming from that left handed. He just couldn't catch it but it wasn't all perfect. But you just love to see how poise calm collected. He is how this offense a starting to open up is starting to build. You know chemistry with some of these guys. And that's what's so exciting. I mean you see the back shoulder throws you saw the ball that was loaded. Feed another bet. Snap from ted cruz. Where he just picked it up. Didn't panic and just threw a perfect past. Devante parker went up there and made an awesome catch. I mean those are things that you don't teach and you can't say to has arrived. But you know you see the tweets and you see these different images we can in week out and you see good morning football in the different you know. Nfl live that's all they're talking about his two of the two ameinias real. He hasn't arrived yet. But i think you know this early in his career. What we're seeing the numbers don't matter they're three no and it's so exciting because he's only going to get better and what that means for this offense in this team is truly exciting and so we'll talk coach the year but for the people out there saying why are you talking jason sanders. Jason senators to two for three on the day. We're not gonna talk about as miss cake. Just for the fact they you know some people might have been concerned all once. He misses a kick. Maybe that will start a downward spiral. The next one went went straight through the middle jason. Sanders is absolutely awesome. And we're just not going to waste their time talking about something that is just so perfect because somebody him afar basket. Somebody sent him a brand new contract because jason sanders is the best football. And that's about that so josh. Let's do it bryan floors. What we need to see for him to be coach of the year the rest of the way obviously six and three. I'm kind of with everything. The way things are unfolding dolphins. I will be happy ten six. We can sit here and argue that we could think they could be better but no coach has won coach of the year with a record. Ten six since two thousand nine. That was marvin lewis in cincinnati bagels. Sean payton did the same thing in two thousand six. You think back to hurricane katrina. That was the year following that so it was teams really overcoming a difficult times. That really brought a team together. That's what we see for a coach to go ten in six Jimmy johnson coach. You're seven and nine in nineteen ninety. Sean mcvay wanted two years ago Going eleven and five. It just really depends on the story that we're trying to tell here. But with the dolphins going from one of the most worst one of the most worse gas. I'm going with that. One of the worst defenses in the league last year from how poorly team started going to this year potential playoff team. Whatever national outlet. You wanna listen to. They're all talking about the dolphins. They kind of see them as that seven playoff team. Who knows let the fight the world. We saw the bills lose yesterday. Let's shoot for the afc east title but josh from cigarettes. Argument won't would. You need to see the dolphins this year for them to be for you to be really comfortable at four as deserving coach of the year acknowledgement i. I mean as a dolphins fan. I mean it's easy for us to sit here and say you know they can fish eight and you could still make. You could still make a case as to why he deserves that. But i think they need to make the playoffs and i think they have every opportunity to do so and then you can tell you one step further and again. They're a half game behind buffalo that week. Seventeen game is going to be so frigging juicy. I cannot wait to and you know. I hope it's all the marbles and hopefully hopefully dolphins could beat the building somehow completely eliminate them. That would be epic but For me. I just want to see them. Continue to get better each week like they've done and to hopefully make the playoffs. I think once they make the playoffs at that point you know that is when bryant floors to the national media is legit candidate. But i think what he's done so far if you even take it back to you know all the hype surrounding the tanking for two and you know these players are going out there and trying to lose all the bull-crap that he had to deal with last season. And then just the things that he's overcoming this year with cove last week. He was without five coaches. I'm not entirely sure. How many coaches you might have been without this week. But it's just the next man up mentality and and yeah and then to remember just what three weeks ago. All the media was just bitching about decision to go to ryan fitzpatrick and now those are the same guys you know posting these graphics about how awesome to is so yeah at some point you just kinda realized brind floors. We could sit here. We can question and people can stay here in doubt what he's doing but this man is building something special and he knows what he's doing and like you said we're gonna ride or die with him until the end of days. That's exactly it. And i think makes his job or his case for coach. Lear so easy is what makes our job. A little more challenging is the fact that every week. We need to make sure we talk about. Hey jason sanders. Education grant were absolutely also on special teams so as bad collins so was a matt. Hawk the defensive end. Hey we got a blocked punt. Hey exhibit howard had an interception. Then you go to offense. Juki grant is really stepping up. He had a touchdown. Hey all the tight ends are making sure they're making a case that we belong on this roster we can score touchdowns we can make catches when needed this team from offense defense special teams. There's just looked so good and just so impressive after what we saw from last year. And that's why i had to chuckle. Granted it resulted a fumble and the chargers scoring seven points over. And i just think it would go from a complete disaster. You don't a complete rebuild to we can out beat weaken outplay teams in all three aspects of football. And that's just been such a treat to watch basically got a ripe on my soapbox. I'm sorry if that sounded a bit home rush but that's kind of the dolphins are right now as they sit with the record six and three they won five straight games. Thank you guys so much for listening. If you enjoyed the show beef. 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RTCD #188 DT Preview

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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RTCD #188 DT Preview

"Five our team with caffeine from green tea leaves? It's delicious energizing and comes in three amazing flavors with zero sugar and four calories. It fits your life with its compact size import ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach without weighing you down by our team caffeine from green tea. Leaps released your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information. Visit five hour energy dot com. Really Silva cold one strike and listen to Russ Tucker, and Philadelphia he goes film junkie friend break down, the top college prospects on another tasty edition of the college draft. Daddy, so time and baby. Oh, baby. That I have some daddy sodas over the weekend. Anyway, I digress. You don't wanna hear about that? You want to hear about the best defensive tackles and edged rushers in college football heading into the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. It is the college draft podcast. He is Fran. Duffy to store the show at Duffy three on Twitter. The Philadelphia Eagles video scouting guru. I am Ross Tucker at Ross Tucker NFL on Twitter, Instagram, a former ofensive linemen that loves breaking down the prospects. And getting ready for the draft, which is about a month away at this point. We're always presented by bed online dot AG because they're awesome. And because they have promo code. Podcast one that gives you guys a fifty per cent. Welcome bonus. When you sign up, and obviously placing some beds on March madness, Sweet Sixteen always a pretty good time with you wanna get signed up over a bed, online dot AG. Fran. I've been looking forward to this particular position group really all offseason because I think it's fair to say right as we look at both the edge guys and the tackle 's that this is the strongest best position in this draft. And maybe one of the strongest best, you know, craps single position group or specifically this position group that I can remember in a long time is that fair. Yeah. I think it's fair. And I think really when you look at both groups kind of in silos you look at this defensive tackle group. It's so strong at the top. I mean, you're talking like four or five. Five six guys that have first round credentials, and then you look at this age group, and you could say the same thing, which we can say that over the course of you. You can go back a few years, and and look at groups that are different draft classes that had edged groups that had multiple guys in the first round. But it's a really deep group off the edge as well. So I think when you look at this class as a whole in the defensive line guys that can get after the quarterback up front. You've got to be really really excited. And yeah, it certainly is the strength of this class. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. And I'm already looking forward to our first question. It's daddy soda time. And which one of these guys is your favorite to watch on film. Well, I think it would be remiss if we didn't mention both Nick Bosa and Quentin Williams, right because you know, depending on who you talk to either guy is seen as the number one player overall in this class. I think when you look at Nick Bosa off the edge, certainly the name helps right him, and we've seen his brother Joey tear up the NFL whenever he's been on the field over the past three seasons. He's a well rounded player just like Joey was can defend the run which he showed a little bit this year. That was a question for me. Not because he was bad at it. Because we didn't really see him. Do it. Remember, Ohio State had such a deep defensive line over the course last couple of years. So his first two years on campus. He played in such a hard rotation such a steady rotation. There weren't a lot of examples of him. Really having a set a strong edge and play in those early downs. Those upperclassmen really stole those early down rap. So he was coming off onto the field. You know in those passing situations and getting after the quarterback. So I was trying to see this year. All right. Let's see how he does three down player. Obviously we had a small. Sized doing that. And that's probably one of the biggest knocks. You have on him is that it is such a small sample size of him being a true three down player when you talk about Nick Bosa but outside of that. I mean, he's he's stout. He's really good with his hands. Just like his brother was he's outstanding with his plan of attack against offense of lime and he can win. And so many different ways he can line up inside or outside. He can stand up if you need them to Nick Bosa is just a real a really talented player. And then when you go to coin and Williams this again, small sample size kind of a one year wonder at as a redshirt sophomore only one year of real action at nose tackle took over for Durant. Pain who was a first round pick last year and Quinton Williams is just so explosive off to snap. I mean his ability to get into the backfield win quickly and an effect. The quarterback is really second to none in this class. I really really impressed with what I've seen from him on film. And he's gotten better over the course of his career seems like a great kin just a very very positive influence guy. Who's still extremely young on the arrow is pointing up seemingly on his prospects as a football player. So I think when you look at both of these guys, and then you'd be remiss to just pick one who's the Fave British especially since we're doing to position groups today, but a lot to be excited about with both of these guys. Let me ask you what question Russ. What were your thoughts? There was a lot of buzz. Let late last week on the forty Niners taking Quinton Williams out to his favourite international house of pancakes. Over your your thoughts after reading that. Wait a minute say that told me that again. You didn't see this? So the forty Niners. They took him out. So for his. Just took him out for a bite to eat for just to have a meeting with them surroundings pro day, and they took an ihop that was where he wanted to go. I did not know that. That I get your reaction to this yet. That's amazing. That's where he wanted to go. It's funny because I would have. I thought what you're going to mention is that when he was asked to his favorite player was and he said Jason Kelsey that's on center for the eagles. That's amazing. So is this is I was at the combine and your the way that it works at the combine with media Vel building with players is that the players come out, and they talk the day before they work out. So the offensive lineman or obvious the first group of the workouts, the first group we talked to and I talked with Ross Spock or the center from from Alabama. And I said, hey, you know, who's the toughest guy you went against? And usually I try and couch it with our the who's the toughest opponent. You wanna get some of these guys aren't just fluffing up their teammates. But he tells me he's like Clinton Williams really quickly. And I'm like, all right. Well, what was so tough about quitting Williams? And he said look I practice against them every single day every single week certain season, and he was kicking my butt early in the year. And I'd try I was trying to study him. So intently so closely each week after practice trying to figure out what his tells work. What were the things that he was doing with his hands in his stance that can kind of tip me office to what he was going to do how he was going to try and attack me every single week. I did it and every single week. He changed things up. So that could never really get a beat on. Them. And so I was like what that's that's an awesome. Attic. Don't. So. I went a couple days later when William speaks. And I over thinking I'm going to ask him about this. I don't even need to he's already kind of talking about look when I moved because when he first got there. He was a defensive end he was a little bit smaller. He said when I first moved to nose tackle as a redshirt freshman. They were crushing me Lester cotton Ross Pierce Bacher. They were put me on my back. I was not used to deal with double teams. So he said my whole Richard freshman year when I was a backup to Deron pain. I sat there, and I studied Ross Pierce Bacher every day after practice and figured out. Exactly what he was doing exactly how he was trying to attack me all the different things. He was doing from a pre snap standpoint with stance that tell me what he was about to do. And then I figured okay. This is how I need to attack. So I just thought it was really really interesting getting into what his work habits are his film study. And obviously his preparation considering what he was able to do to his team who look roster. You're not going to be a first or second round pick. But he's going to be a draft pick and he's going to play in the NFL. So I. I thought that was a cool story from that part. Very cool story. I don't think I've ever heard a guy say that his favorite player is like an a potential adversary or a guy that plays like the opposite position on the other side of the ball. Like anytime you ask it receiver. They say receivers their favorite player. Yes. A safety. They'll say, Sean, Taylor, whoever right Brian Dawkins. I never heard of college kids say oh Jason Kelsey a ten year NFL center. Like, that's just that. That says a lot about them. It's pretty interesting that he would say that's his favorite player. Here's my question friend, and when I think, you know, import the forty Niners need ask themselves as the jets may need to ask themselves this, and I think part of it also is dependent upon what you already have on your roster, but let's say friend. You're just starting. Starting out a new team. Okay. I think this is a really interesting discussion as to whether or not you'd rather have a dominant edge guy like Nick boasts or Josh Allen or a dominant inside guy like Quinton Williams. And I feel like. With every passing year. I lean more towards the inside guy. Then the outside guy. Just because I think the inside guy can be more consistently disruptive. Even when he's not getting sacks. And frankly, even if he's not getting hits on the quarterback. I just think that that inside pressure affects the quarterback more than edge pressure. When the guy doesn't get something that shows up on the stats sheet. If that makes sense. Well, it's funny. You I asked my my act this exact question at the combine this year and during his press conference, and you know, Mike, you know, he said was like look I've talked with every quarterback in the NFL every starting quarterback in the NFL of lasts for years. And I've asked them that question. What's the what's what's the most difficult thing to deal with as a quarterback? And they always say that it's instant pressure up a right in their face. When you've got pressure off the edge. You can step into a soft pocket. You can step up away from that pressure. When you when you get that pressure right in your face. Now, you've got to move your breaking the timing of a play. You've got to get outside of structure outside the pocket and try and make a play half. And some guys have the ability to do that physically some guys maybe not so much. And then also the mental the standpoint of it as well. So you're throwing everything off when you've got that instant pressure, and I could tell you just from watching film from studying film around the NFL over the last few years. You know, watching a guy looked fretless we've Fletcher Cox here in Philadelphia watching Fletcher Cox Swedish each week. It's tough to be able to handle a guy like that. I mean, you you can slide protection slide your center towards his towards his way more often than not shore. But it's a lot easier. There are a lot of different things you can do rather than completely change your protection each each time always slide towards Fletcher Cox. There are a lot of different things you can do with an edge guy. You can help with chips. You can keep tight end in. You can chip the running back out of the back. Field. There are different things you can do with an edge guy with a defensive tackle a dominant defensive tackle. You really the only thing that you can do is slide. And then that then opens yourself up to weaknesses on the backside of the slide protection and defensive quarters, find ways to attack it. So to me, I think it's I agree with you. I think it is more on the defensive tackle. So you look more on a guy like when Williams and a guy that has that ability to instantly penetrate. His guys got a lot of value. Really does. I think it's the inside guy for the reasons that you mentioned, and I do think it is harder to dumb. I mean, you can always slide there. But then that's slide is not just for the tackle that's slide s to also pick up and be responsible for linebackers. So it's not as easy as just saying just slide wherever that guy is you can. But there's a lot of other things that are tied into that who you're blocking the second levels tied into that slide. And then you know, that that then is tied into the receivers and who they're hot off of. So it's it's a little bit more complicated. I think that'd be might realize. So. Good discussion. They're really good discussion all the way around who's a guy friend. That's underrated by the media. I would I'm going to pick one guy here. And I'm gonna go with Daniel lies from Kansas to me on film. One of my favorite players to study, a really active really athletic. I thought that his Combi workout was solid not great, but solid. He'd have really good week a practice. Now that you switched Ryan game. I was surprised that he was not at the senior bowl. I thought from town alone. He probably could have been his production was outstanding over the course of his career as a star. He's got an outstanding motor. He's comes from a football family. His dad played in the NFL's older brother plays in the NFL. Now, I think when you look at Daniel lies you'll really good about his ability to project. I think he'll be a starting one technique or even starting three technique in the NFL not a Pro Bowl, you know, perennial Pro Bowl talent. But to me guy that most years most years, I think we're talking about a day to selection with the depth in this class. I think he could fall day three, but whoever gets them who's going to get a good football player. Who is the guy that you like, but there's something about him. That scares you. Yeah. I would to me. I would say we're going to pick one. Look there's a lot to like was Josh Allen. Right. I mean, obviously, a freak athlete former school receiver. You'll has a lot of the movement skills. You're looking for can turn the corner can win off the ball quick. First step looks great coming out of a three point stance. People don't realize all the things that he was asked to do in that Kentucky defense. I mean even going back to his junior season when he was getting a lot of love as well. He'll play in a two point three point. He'll set an edge. He'll drop back and playing coverage as well as rush the passer had seven and a half sacks his junior year came back and more than doubled that this year at seventeen sacks a bunch of them in crunch time. You know when it mattered when his team needed it most. And that that stuff does matter to NFL teams. Right. I mean, the fact that you know, he'll come out and have a sack late in the game and fourth quarter and get a sack fumble and Kentucky wins. I mean, that's a huge huge thing. So I think when you look at Josh Allen there is a lot to like there. The thing that concerns me I want to see them continue. He put on a lot of weight coming into this year. I want to see them continue to develop that way and get stronger right because there are times where he was still blocked one by tight ends last year. I think of that Georgia game that really kind of sticks in my mind as an area where I'd like to see him win more often one on one as a consistent player that can't happen. When you're that guy for an NFL team when you're that primary pass rusher. You can't be blown on one on one by titan or even by tackle. I mean, you've got to be able to win those one on one match up. So that's the one thing you don't like about Josh Allen. But overall, there's a lot to like they're like I said the athletic profile the production the character a kid that really kind of worked. He's from New Jersey went down to Kentucky and just got better each and every season. He's a really really exciting player. But you just don't wanna see them continue to work on getting stronger at the point of attack and winning more of those one on ones. Have a guy friend that you feel like is a pretty safe guy in this year's drought might not, you know, be be a guy that ended up being all pro every year. But you just feel pretty good about he's going to at least be salad. Yeah. Let's let's talk about a couple of Clemson kids here. I'm trying to edge group. We'll talk about Cleland Farrell who to me outside of Bosa. I would say probably prion burns to is from Florida state. I would throw clue Farallon areas just being one of the polish pass rushers. Right. I mean, he's so well developed with his hands has been a three year starter for them started his redshirt freshman year earlier than I think they would have liked because you know, early in his career he was still very raw. And I think now when you look at Cleveland Farrell much more polished player on much more confident player with what he's doing at the point of attack. He can again like we talked about Alan will drop in coverage. A little bit will set the agent as a really good run defender. He uses length. Well, he's a high motor kid and again knows how to get after the quarterback. Question you have with Liam Farrell. What is his athletic upside is he a super explosive guys? He superfluid twitchy now. He's he's probably none of those things. But I think when you look at them overall a really really good football player. And so I think when you look at Cleveland Farrell, I feel really good about his transition. And then on the when you talk about a defensive tackle, I kind of feel similarly about Christian Wilkins who's been again, another guy who started three years for Clemson really well rounded player in his play two different positions because you know, due to injuries like I said with earlier with Pharrell he played earlier than they would have liked same reason with with Wilkins he played defensive end early in his career not because they really wanted him there because he was always in that to eighty five to ninety range. But because he was athlete conversa- enough and good enough. Kenny, there's probably is my best position. But this is where they need me at right now, I'm going to play defensive end because of the injuries along this defensive line. So I think when you look at Christian Wilkins, a versatile guy an athletic guy, very disruptive high motor great kit off the field team. Multiple you. Team captain, you know, one of the best personalities in college football the best personalities in this draft. Feel really really good about Christian Wilkins and his transition here to the NFL. Let's get to a guy that you feel like you scheme specific. Yeah. Well, let's stay with. Clemson. We'll talk with we'll talk about Dexter Lawrence from Clemson. And I think you look at him certainly a bigger defensive tackle. Right. And I think really what you look at with Dexter Lawrence's. You know, he's at his best when he's controlling block. He's got that explosiveness to get a feel especially for a guy who's up north of three hundred thirty pounds. Then that really stands out to you is his ability to move, but I like him best where he's playing through contact. And to me, that's when you're looking at him in the way that he's going to transition. I don't want to say that he can't play in a true one gap scheme. You could of course, he can't he was asked to do it plenty at Clemson. But I do like his ability to play through contact a little bit more. And so those teams that will kind of utilize more a hybrid one gap to gap scheme ask the guys to do a couple of different things. I like his ability to play in that kind of scheme more. I like him more playing through contact playing through blocks. Yeah. He's a big boy man who he so power east so powerful. All right. So a day three gem that you want to chime in on. And I think that I wouldn't have even need to put his name down in the rundown. You probably would have guessed who I would have said. And it's going to be Oregon pass rusher. Jalen jokes, a guy that I I was very high on coming into the season didn't have the kind of production. I hope for and I had a bad count combine workout that has not helped his cause. I still liked them. I still like this kid. I think when you look at him his skill set transition or translates well to the NFL I like his ability to get after the quarterback with length with lettuce. I like his motor a lot again, another guy who can defend the run. So I think when you look at Jaylen jobs. This is a player that you know, it seems like he could slide today three, and I think someone's going to get a really good player at the end of the day because I really really like his skill set. I've said in the past that he kind of reminds me of Donell hunter when he was coming out of LSU now with the Minnesota Vikings and one of the best pass rushers in football. I really really liked. Jalen Jackson, his skill set. So why is he a day three guy? I mean, you've been talking about them for months. Yeah. I think ultimately when you look number one at what he did at the combine it was a very poor workout athletically to combine the numbers sack. They only finished his career. I mean, I just mentioned what Josh Allen. Josh Allen seventeen sacks last year. Jalen Djelic said fifteen and a half in his entire career as a he started what he started three two seasons for the ducks and played a couple years before that as a backup and was a key part of the rotation. So I think when you look at Jaylen jokes, look would not surprise me at all. If he went data. I think that his talent is worthy of that. But I think that you know, when you start talking about, okay, we know all the big names, right, Nick Bosa Brian burns. Luna thorough. Montas sweat. Josh allen. You go down the list. Now, it's Sean, Gary, obviously, then you get down to this day to names. I mean, Jalen Ferguson and chase would've and oceans imminence in, you know, you get down to that further down the list, and it's like all right? Well, are all of these guys going to go in the first three rounds? And then he's throwing wildcards like Christian Miller that people are high on Jonathan Ledbetter sheriff Miller max Crosby from eastern Michigan. I mean, there's a lot of names. So not all we're going to go in the first couple of days, and that's just that's just kind of the numbers game. So now, it's the comes down to Jalen jokes. Like, all right. Well, is he going to be a fourth round guy? He he could be a fourth row optic when it's all said and done. So to me like I said to me, he's not. But that's why that's why he's a guy that I would say would be a day three jam as a guy. I think his talent is worthy of going earlier. But due to circumstances you could follow a little bit. Well, man, just when you even when you name like the the day two guys. They're good like winna vich is there. Yeah. I mean, there is some real real depth to your point. Speaking of depth. That's been pretty good depth in the in subway tournament so far with some of these SEC schools, Tennessee, all burn LSU. We're used to the SEC schools dominating and football. But they've been really good in basketball as well. You can decide whether or not you think they're going to continue to have success. Some of these awesome. Sweet Sixteen matchups already fired up even Virginia Tech Duke should be good. Good a bed online dot AG. That Duke game was unbelievable yesterday. Use the promo code podcast one. You get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus. When you do that. So we've got the sports net bracket challenge going. I don't know as of yet. Whether or not my bracket one any money for the first week if it did. Though, I'm able to put some money into your account. I can deposit each week and put money into your bed online that AG camp. But you have to have about online dot AG counts as sports net bracket challenge, presented by online dot AG. March madness now down to Sweet Sixteen we are heating up. Don't forget to use that promo code podcast one at bit online dot AG, your online sportsbook experts. All right, friend. Let's get to it. Finally, we've got three for one three more guys that you wanna talk about or mentioned for whatever reason. Yeah. And I think there's a couple of big names. We haven't talked about right? And we'll talk with and he's all three of these guys are reading talked about in the top fifteen. So we'll start with it. Oliver the defensive tackle from Houston was considered by most to be a top three top-five prospect entering the season now seen as more. I got to think that his floor. Absolute floor is fourteen with Atlanta. I can't imagine that he falls below them. But you know, I guess we'll find out. I think when you look at Oliver certainly size is a concern. But I'll standing athlete quick first step high motor knows how to defend the run people say he's under size. You can't fend around like, no, he he can defend the run. He knows how to use his hands a lot of reps inside as those tackle will help you there. I mean, he's used to dealing with extra attention on the inside a lot of times you'll see not to guys, but even three guys trying to block it Oliver front. So I think when you look at what he's able to do playing through contact as well as getting on the other side of the lack of production as a pass rusher. A little bit concerning with thirteen and a half sacks. In thirty three starts is not nothing. Stick your nose up to but not to the level of some of these other guys we've talked about that being said his tackle production is ridiculous one hundred ninety two tackles in thirty three starts fifty three tackles for loss in thirty three starts. I mean, those are ridiculous numbers. And I think when you look at Oliver that carries out into the film. He's a really really impressive player a guy that I think at team will be lucky to have. We'll go to the next one is Brian burns. I mentioned a little bit few minutes ago. When you look at Brian burns again a little bit on the undersides portion. I think people will worried. Okay. How big is he going to be at the combine the two twenties is to get up into the two thirties. He came in to forty nine. And a lot of the times when you see a guy come in and a lot heavier than people think usually they don't test. Well, he tested and he tested through the roof. He was outstanding rent four or five six. His jumps were good is Jillian was good. I think when you're looking at Brian burns. This guy is a plus athlete really explosive short area. I a more importantly, he's really good with his hands. And he understands how to attack offense of Lyman Utah. You told me the past you compare them to a guy that you played with an Andre Carter. Just in the way that he's built I think when you look at Brian burns. He's got the ability that have that kind of career as a plus pass rusher a guy that can get after the quarterback. He was a leader of that team this year, Florida state team, that's obviously gone gone through a lot over the last couple of years of the coaching change, and you know, so much turmoil bump both sides of the football. Brian burns has been one of the leaders down there. So to me, he he's an outstanding player and one of the best pass rushers in this draft. And then lastly, we'll get to Rashawn guarantee. It was the guy that obviously another guy was a very highly built considered by some to be a top five top ten pick entering this season. I think when you look at him, he's got all the physical tools. You're looking for right. I mean, shies his explosiveness just a rare combination of size and movement. He's strong. The point of attack has the ability to hold up in the run game. Can do a lot of different. Things for you. But I I really like about him is what his position versatility compete. I mean, you line them up inside you can line about outside, and you can show the ability to win in both spots kind of similar to me. You look at what you Dave uncloudy has become with Houston, Texas. I'm not talking about cloudy. The number one pick. I'm talking about cloudy, the pass rusher with Houston and what they've done with him as they figured out ways to kind of move around get him matched up with guards allow him to win against interior offense of Lyman. They've gotten creative within with all the different blitz packages. I think for Sean Garrett can be that kind of a player in the NFL again line him up inside find ways to let him win his one on one. You know? You know, he's his skill set is really really impressive. You do worry a little bit about the flexibility his ability to turn the corner. But this is really really impressive from a linear athlete stamp point. Really, really? I'm excited to watch this kid play and just see where he ends up. You know, what his scheme fit will be at the next level. But respond, Gary certainly a guy that we've gotta talk about four this. This show's over so friend, why why has all over, you know, it seemed like everything was up five pig. Top pick. Maybe number one pick overall all last off season all during the season. What sort of happened where he you know, has dropped off a little bit. Well, the part of it is that the fact that he got off to a really slow start. Right. So we came in talking a lot about at all, right? And then he didn't get a sack until mid October two sacks against East Carolina. And I was. The first sack of season. Meanwhile, Quinton Williams is jumping all and that's really when he jumped onto the radar and he was so productive early in the season and that carry through through college football play it didn't help. Then also that he got hurt. He had that knee injury that he was dealing with. And then he had the the incident with his coach on the sideline that made national news. So I think when you look at Oliver there wasn't a lot of really positive, but there was not positive buzz with at Oliver throughout the course of his final season there. He was already he'd already declared for the draft. I was already a foregone conclusion. He was it was already are. He's he's going to be in this draft class. So it wasn't like there was this positive bump in December. Like, oh, yeah. All right. All of us in the class. Now, let's talk about him again. No like everyone had already been targeted at about an Oliver. But all these other names were coming into the limelight. When Williams Christian Wilkins continued get a lot of positive buzz obvious that entire Clemson defensive line. So people weren't really talking about them. And I think that looked we don't know how this is gonna play out. Right. I mean, he Oliver could be seventh overall. Pick. And then all this is for nothing. But I think that's why you're not hearing him being talked about as much right now in mock drafts is that the arrow was not pointing up with him entering the entering the offseason. Really was. All right. Well, what what are we talking about with Alvin? Now, the Sacramento wasn't great. The this past season. You know, you had the injury. There was the that incident mentioned so all these different things, I think have just lead to some negative buzz with him. He didn't work out at the combine really he did his jumps. But didn't do anything after that. So it's not like now, we can say man, he had an outstanding out. You know, an outstanding workout. Let's talk about it Oliver. Now's a top ten pick. We haven't had that discussion yet. So I think really when you're talking about is he hasn't had that buzz. And that's really what helps at the end of the day mock draft show done by their done by the media. And the media is gonna talk about the guys that are in the headlines, and for all the different reasons and Oliver just hasn't been in the headlines, he was in the headlines over the summer, but that hasn't been the case. And so I think that's one of the big reasons why, you know, we've kind of seen the this drop a little bit in his buzz. But. At the end of the day. It really what matters is what happens draft weekend. He very well his tunnel. It says he could go seven overall pick the eighth overall picks the eleventh overall pick and then after the end of the day, that's all that really matters. But I think that's why we haven't really been seeing him go that high in most mock drafts you can always catch him on Twitter at f-. Duffy three. He's terrific all the stuff. He does for the eagles with the journey of the draft podcast the eagle eye in the sky podcast. And of course, he posts all that stuff on social media, which is great. I'm at Ross Tucker NFL, Twitter and Instagram. 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Miami Dolphins podcast (Phinsider Daily): Examining the young nucleus after the Baltimore Ravens game

The Phinsider

23:38 min | 2 years ago

Miami Dolphins podcast (Phinsider Daily): Examining the young nucleus after the Baltimore Ravens game

"Want to know more about what your favorite Ninjas have on their minds check out the American Ninja Warrior podcasts. It's available wherever you get your podcast and it's a great listen for any Ninja Warrior Fan aloe everybody. This is a Iran Sutton. Your favorite middle aged white guy who's getting heckled by his two the oldest children as the dolphins repealing Doodoo Butts we will discuss the nail biter Sunday. Take a hard look. Look at what I consider the young nucleus of the Miami Dolphins. It's going to be something we evaluate all season going forward. We'll see who stock up stock down in the young young nucleus will also venture down the theoretic rabble whether it's necessary for this process work by ensuring the number one one dead work be pretty bad saying it the seventy back and still come out on the right side of things we discuss discuss that welcome back everybody look. I know it was a tough go round on the Sunday and as someone who's already spent money to travel down to south Florida going to the browns and dolphins game mm-hmm and November. I understand what it's like to spend some money and come away without ever having a chance to get into the game. Yeah I was at the Baltimore game when we got thirty eight to nothing. That was another game that you just had no opportunity to get involved as a fan had had a couple of beers kicked over so it was extra extra pissed off the Baltimore like backup tight end went for about buck forty and two touchdowns downs and anything the Ravens wanted to do that day at work and we saw the same thing play out this Sunday but let's not act like we're not familiar. You're with hardship okay. We've endured Dave. Juan Stats Mount Mustache. We have endured an offensive line coach recording earning himself snorting coke before going to team meeting. We've dealt with bully gate Ricky Williams retiring. I could go on and on so so. Let's act like we've taken a punch before okay and this may not get easier is going to be tough. I don't expect things to get great until after the bye if at all but when you look at turning over twenty five percent rent of your team a week before the season starts in an offensive line. That's had few reps together. There's going to be some growing pains so we may may not see those pains. He'll until after the bye but it can't get any worse so let's take a step back acknowledged that were frustrated. Let's not take it out on each other decapitating. Someone else doesn't make you any taller. Okay so let's take a look at this young nucleus because that's really where our minds should be because we're we're looking at this in the future right so when I look look at this young nucleus I look at nine guys and and we can have discussions about some of these guys being often off if this list and you could certainly add some different people to this list but here's the nine people for me that I would consider part of the young nucleus with the obvious disclaimer that even I've been known there are contractual obligations to certain people at this time we decided Tonio Brown signed in the offseason for a bazillion dollars and then get released before he ever played a game so these contracts can get screwy okay but when you you just kind of look overall this roster you know ignoring these weird contract things and just kinda taken up best faith look at where where we look at some of the young guys and who have already invested in this off season Kristian Wilkins Makeup Fitzpatrick Saving Howard Michael Dealer Jesse Davis she came grant Jerome Baker Divine God. Shaw and Mike City are the nine Miami Dolphins that comprised the young nucleus right now like I said you could make a case to take few of these names off and substitute on with somebody else but I'm gonNA argue these nine and basically what I'm GonNa do because the all twenty two is not available yet. I want to kind of go through what my impressions were during during the game of these young guys and see if there's stock up or or their stock is down. Christian Wilkins was has somebody that didn't necessarily make any eye-popping plays. I didn't notice him getting dominated at the the line of scrimmage wjr either so to me. That's kind of a wash. I'm GonNa say that's kind of average game for Christian Wilkins. Xavi and it's kind of hard to evaluate valuate targeted one time. He did a good job on Marquees Brown. I think the Dolphin saw markey's Brown is eating US alive and we said that's not going to happen anymore are so they put Xavi and was able to limit him after that so it's Kinda hard to evaluate Zabi and he's only targeted one time Jessie Davis fresh fresh off the contract extension had a poor game. Takim grant poor game fumbled that punt that was don't Wanna see that from a punt returner and a wide receiver who you just also gave a contract extension to this off season drew Baker. I'll say he had an average game. There are look. I have to watch the all twenty to see if there are some some gap integrity things early in the game. Mike just sick he had a couple of catches thirty thirty one yards the key thing with this though for me ladies and gentlemen they did not have Mike City in the past block one time zero pass blocks and the reason that is outstanding is because last year under Adam gays they had mike just sticky pass block on twenty percent of Miami's passing attempts. He would have stayed in to block six times of he was under gays. You didn't see that one time thirty three snaps only four and for blocking now the game script Kinda dictated how some of that went so can't take too much stock in that but you can. I think look at just sixty not being employed anymore. You're in pass blocking situations and that's a damn good thing because we did not bring him in to pass block. Michael Dieder third round draft draft pick out of Wisconsin. He probably had the best game on the offensive line so I think of the the one shining person I'd say on the offensive line. US Sunday was Michael Deeter so good for the Rook Devan. God Shaw probably had the best game overall these young guys that I've mentioned and Mingka Fitzpatrick terrible game. I don't think we can call it anything else to Ms. Tackles had two penalties gave up a perfect quarterback rating three touchdowns eighty three yarder. He's tied for the most targets so it seemed that they had a game plan coming into to go at Minka. He's pulled later in the game so hopefully he's able to sort this out and put a bad performance behind him one of the variables of cosmic professionals fashionable as the ability to get over bad game so hopefully Minka as able to put a game like that behind him and be a catalyst for the secondary because because the secondary's performance was needless to say very poor this weekend again the offensive line was an Achilles heel today Jessie Davis juuling Davenport. We're getting consistently be on the edge. Dini said Dora and and Kilgore there in the middle average games at best I would say Michael Dealer was the high performer there on the offensive line so that's a good sign considering. We got him in the third round. Got One of those midwestern corn fed big ten boys so hopefully that is someone who is going to be a proven commodity on the offensive line for years. I come. Let's switch gears and go down what I would consider the main sticking points with the Miami Dolphins friends right now and fans. It manifests itself differently on twitter. We all get caught up in some of the minutia but really I think what the preeminent question. We're all asking ourselves thing. That's in the backdrop is do we have to be this bad so in other words. Do we have to have the number one pick for this process to work or can. We have kept some of the guys that we got rid of. Maybe finished five eleven somewhere in that range and say we accidentally falter quote unquote into the seventh or eighth pick. Is there such a huge huge divide between those two picks that it's important to fall on the sword and get the first pick I thought the good and the best starting point for this conversation is to look at the very reason at the dolphins are doing this in the first place and that is to get a franchise quarterback and I'm already seeing the arguments made online that you can find quarterbacks everywhere so I decided to take a look at all the Super Bowl winning quarterbacks that we've had since two thousand K. so we've got. Trent dilfer first round pick. Tom Brady a six rounder one six Brad Johnson. He's so old he was drafted in the ninth round. I forgot that they even did stuff like that. The ninth round Brad Johnson Win that super bowl with the Tampa Bay buccaneers Ben Rothlisberger fus Burger first rounder eleventh pick peyton manning and Eli Manning both one to each start Ross Berger's one-two Peyton and Eli to each each both the number one picks drew brees was picked thirty second overall so technically a first rounder under but he was drafted in the first pick with the second round so I'm guessing that was one of those years at the Patriots cheat ended something Guy Aaron Rodgers getting picked twenty four th in the first round Joe flacco eighteenth pick of the first round Russell Wilson Third Round Pick seventy fifth overall for all and then Philadelphia. I am airing on the side of calling this a Carson wentz super bowl so we could you. You know so take the my my data set here differently if you feel that. Nick foles is the reason that the Philadelphia Eagles won the Super Bowl and and you could make that case. I just think Carson Wentz had every opportunity to win the super bowl to had had he been healthy but so whence was drafted number. A to overall in the first round Nick foles was drafted in the third round number eighty eight overall so what you're seeing and what some of the types of arguments you're going to hear is is you're going to hear you can find quarterbacks anywhere well. If you're looking at the data set of Super Bowl champions yeah you can find a super bowl champion in the ninth round according to this. We've had a guy drafted in the sixth six round. That's one six of them so when you look at it that way you could say oh yeah. I mean there's been six superbowls one by undrafted in the six round so that's pretty darn good when you look at it from a frequency standpoint though so when you're looking at the different amounts announce of quarterbacks drafted and those those rounds then you see Tom. Brady's data actually kind of skews things so oh. The prism that I'm looking through is that there are one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven quarterbacks who have won championships since two thousand six of those seven of those sorry if you include Carson Wentz seven of those came in the first round with epic first week of football behind us Dr King's the leader in one day. Fantasy football is upping Andy with another huge contest heading into the second week of NFL match ups draft kings is giving new users a free shot at over one point five million dollars in prizes when you sign up with the code SB nation and make your first deposit for free shot at one point five million any terminal bragging rights just download the draftkings APP use the code espy nation and draft your players and feel the sweat like never before already draftkings user you can get in on the action to for a limited time. 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I'm Jason Kirk and we're the hosts of the shutdown forecast your avengers of college football podcast it says in the script to riff on what that means and basically what is this all already spoiled every Tuesday today we talk about everything from cooking disasters to pro wrestling too unfashionable pants worn middle school we also do talk about college football every now and then like mascot fights announcers fleeing the booth early and unfashionable pants that coaches where now if you want to take college football exactly seriously as it should be taken subscribe for for free on Apple podcasts or in your favorite podcast APP. The only outliers are Wilson Breeze Brad Johnson and Tom Brady eighty so if you're playing the numbers you have to say it's a roll the dice even if you have an elite quarterback in this this league because elite quarterbacks also run into other elite quarterbacks. There's competition in this league. It's not just because you have a franchise. quarterback doesn't mean mean that you're necessarily going to win it so having a franchise quarterback kind of gets you into this playoff lottery so to speak may the best team win that particular year but if you're looking at the in terms of the variety of quarterbacks that have come from these rounds variety wise this. There's no way to argue against the first round and what this ultimately leads to is this decision is being made and it's the desire to control your destiny. We want control over the decision that we get to make and this this is coming from someone who was very influenced by a paper by cade. Massey and Richard Thaler that came on two thousand five and basically just looking at the NFL draft and a marketplace there tends to be a little overconfidence and decision makers what ends up happening is the people who trade made up and up losing trade value typically because they think that they're going to nail the pick the people who are trading down are getting more players players and getting more quote unquote tosses at the Dartboard so in other words words decision makers in the NFL draft being able to identify the first and third best in particular secular position group fifty percent of the time so nfl decision makers are able to distinguish who's the number one person in that group and the number three three person in that group only half the time but again the sense of control is just a fundamental human quest I see and children all the time they want control over their world and the dolphins want control over what they do with these draft picks they don't. WanNa have to rely on other teams getting it wrong because teams get it right sometimes so the only decision to be made is to have your process and trust it stack your board play horizontally vertically move around and and do the best possible job that you can in this draft because this whole process depends on getting it right so so when you look at it from a quarterback standpoint you're looking at finding somebody in the first round and the dolphins are saying you know what maybe it is better to be really bad and get the number one pick and make sure that we have our choice of anybody that we want. It's too much of a risk to draft in the towards the end of the top ten and try to find your guy. Yes S. anecdotally historically has happened but again this is about the quest for control and the decision that's made and not being a by standard and to someone else's mistake and before I wrap up this episode of Fen cider daily. You can follow me at a sutton. PF in I want to also address something. I'm seeing and social media and that's well. There's no way the dolphins you're gonNA be able more to give free agents to come here. Look at what's going on while this thing about the NFL and it's based on parody and professionals know that they know that and fifteen in the last sixteen in years a teams gone from worst. I and a division teams are meant to rebound quickly now. That's that's not to say. This will happen with the dolphins. This is this could be a longer process than any of us but when you have the type of money and the draft capital you have the no sales tax thing you have the weather I don't. I'm not willing to say that Miami's all of a sudden not of free agent destination now yet players will stop still probably use us to get paid more and that's just nature of the beast but I'm not willing to say that the dolphins aren't going to be able to recruit free agents that the the front office has identified a someone who can help accelerate eight this rebuild. Yes there's enough professionals in this league that can overlook what's happening this year and know that two thousand twenty as the brand. New Year final thoughts before I let you guys off the hook. I'm wondering if we are staring during down the barrel of a one and fifteen year who's GonNa be this year's Greg Camarillo. WHO's GonNa be that folk folk legend that were reflecting on years after words reminding ourselves of the pain that we've endured doored along the way my vo as Albert Wilson and the reason I mentioned Albert Wilson as we've had greg came. Hey Marie on the podcast and just a very laid back good nature Guy Albert Wilson Certainly Rep represents himself as a laid back you know he's gracious. He's always thankful and blessed and he's just that type of character that I think would that help us. Persevere through hopefully not winless two thousand nineteen campaign for this episode of insider daily. I love love you guys remember to breathe see out there that was fit side radio part of the FINSIDER DOT COM and the SP spearfishing Miami Dolphin liberated wake the ball for no pain in the where you're on the ground. We're always in Miami your thirty eight dollars The old Miami has gone the greatest thing from one vendor on the ground. Take along by any member. I I wonder go number just under yeah.

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Phinsider Daily: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly from Miamis 31-21 Loss to Buffalo, 2020 QB Class, and FitzMagic

The Phinsider

24:26 min | 1 year ago

Phinsider Daily: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly from Miamis 31-21 Loss to Buffalo, 2020 QB Class, and FitzMagic

"This episode is brought to you by sideline the free sports prediction ad that takes those boring low stakes moments live sports in turns them into chances to show off your knowledge compete with friends and best of all win cash silent is the game bout the game and it's super easy to play watching the chiefs answer realtime question uh-huh okay tell the truth when you're watching lives dot com that's win sideline dot com a low. Everyone welcome to the October twenty second overall performance by a team that many counted out before the game even started we are going to get into that game in detail but first let's take a look at last night's Monday night football game cold hard cash sideline the game about the game download it now by searching sideline sports in the apple APP store or visit wind sideline gets who went out of their way to pluck Adam Gates immediately after he was fired by the Miami Dolphins everyone thought he was going to be a quarterback whisper there he was going to turn the team around with lots you've got the knowledge you've got the instincts you can see that Zeke Elliott hurdle coming from a mile away all you have to answer five questions right and if you just one yourself game about the game download it now by searching silence sports in the apple APP store or visit when sideline dot com that's win sideline dot but the sideline you get to predict what will happen next and make money doing ceylon is the game about the game it's not all insider daily fantasy sports once again this past weekend to their division rivals the buffalo bills but it was not for nothing you know the Miami Dolphins went out there they played pretty darn well and it was a pretty the big free agent signings he was the quarterback whisperer he was once referred to as the young Don Shula I kinda think maybe Stephen Ross meant to say a young Joe because he reminds you a lot of Joe Philbin a guy that's just completely clueless but at the end of the day Sam darnold eleven of thirty two eighty six yards in four interception I'm laughing because it's kind of twofold here I mean the New England Patriots are seven Oh they went out there and defeated the New York jets thirty three nothing but for team like the newer sorts are you that guy who's always yelling called it well here's your chance to put your mouth where the money is it's called sideline and it's the free real time. Mobile Sodi breakdown the Miami Dolphins thirty one twenty one loss to the buffalo bills on Sunday what went good what went bad what can we expect from the Miami Dolphins moving forward sports APP that lets you get more out of live sports you think every moment can be as exciting as a pet mahomes deep pass or fourth quarter tie now it is and we also break down the twenty twenty quarterback class and tiggy look around the NFL old the Sim oral today's episode of CIDER daily Com a low everyone and welcome to a special episode of insider daily break here on the insider part of the explanation network on these Miami Dolphins Week seven matchup against the Buffalo bills on Sunday the Miami Dolphins went into this game seventeen point underdogs they actually it's and it's not complicated like live property silent is fun and super easy to play just joined the game before kickoff and you get the chance to make picks in real time during the game made a game of this they lost by ten points losing thirty one to twenty one it was a pretty good game the Miami Dolphins looked to be going up late in the second quarter any finish with negative six point so again the New York jets lost to the New England patriots thirty-three nothing jets are now one in five the Patriots are seventy addition of insider daily. I'm your host Josh helps you can follow me on twitter at at how H. O. U. T. Z.. And as you know the Miami Dolphins are Owen six they lost oh so it's a little bit of a bittersweet but someone had to lose and why not let it be at him gays because let's be honest they never stood a chance with that said let's shift our focus to the and I'm not going to get too much into detail but if you're like me and you play fantasy football hopefully you did not start Sam Darnold in your fantasy football leagues I have some friends at did getting ready to score you know to kind of put that game seemingly away and it just did not work out as they expected you look through the statute offense try to do some trickery over Wilson side the fall on the sword and you know make a huge loss there but at the end of the day was an overall pretty good perform veneers are still struggling to find a running back there yes they have Ronald Jones but overall is been you know the both of those teams could really use a guy like Kenyan drake the Patrick Twenty three to thirty five two hundred eighty two yards one touchdown one interception Albert Wilson apparently tempted pass he did not throw it but it was the first play the game at all US might seek he has completely transformed the last few weeks had some key key third down receptions and again the Miami Dolphins just continue to battle it was something move down a list here we look at the receivers Preston William six catches eighty two yards devante Parker scored his third touchdown in as many games five receptions that was very unexpected and you know whether you're pro tank whether you're against tanking it was a very good performance it was a game you go out there and get excited about we know Matt Hawk maybe got called back by a holding penalty if I'm not mistaken Ryan Fitzpatrick very costly interception he would tell you that was kind of the turning point there the buffalo bills the Mark Walton remains the running back one here in Miami fourteen carries sixty six yards mark Walton paid played thirty eight of the snaps that was fifty two percent Kenyan drake fifty five yards Mike just sick he caught four four targets for forty one yards and if you were as impressed by him as I was I mean I'm GonNa cut up later in the week let's be week we know Taco Charleston a guy that just came to the team you know a few weeks ago already seen fifty-five snaps ninety eight percent of the team's defensive snaps he had another soared to unwind in the second half but again a very good performance by the Miami Dolphins look at them defensively some snaps Baker played a hundred percent of the snaps had everyone playing with some spark the entire team look good Ryan Fitzpatrick carried the team put the team on his back at times he had a very nice run for a touchdown very nice to yard gain down there at the goal line that was the the drive that did not result into a touchdown as it should have I believe they scored Kenyan drake does get traded by the trade deadline which a lot of people kinda foresee we know the Detroit lions have injured their carry on Johnson. Zack is three on the season if you're keeping track at home trolls Harris has three three year so tackled Charleston has been a breath of fresh air another breath of fresh air on that unjustice to say the least but at the end of the day this team looks night and day was Ryan Fitzpatrick so it was definitely nice to see the dolphins go out there have a pretty good game tie things who's going to spit on a fan but at the end of the day you can't joke about that it was a thirteen year old boy. I don't think any spit was actually you know directed towards those fans but they were sitting there trying to beat the player I'm I'm fine with trading him for Kiko Alonzo and then getting the draft pick at Eagle along with some more of those young players but overall I mean Ryan Fitzpatrick Eric grow one hundred percent Bobby McCain a hundred percent we all know what he's getting into right now believe a bills fan kind of filmed him you know I it looked like he was kidding within you know Brian floors took things took matters into his own hands and end up spending Bobby McCain internally so we'll see how that shapes up throughout the week down the field scored a touchdown and from there on out things to not workout Preston Williams had a crucial fumble in his own endzone or in his own territory and you know things content that I do put out but it was kind of you know a dumb kind of quirky little article I had a bunch of different Hashtags we had the the tank for to the blue a lot of the dolphins pressures are coming from that position coming from Vince Beagle and again for guy that you know was kind of an unknown a lot of people don't really know what to expect when he was thrown into that trade ah thirty and Kayla Balaj had five he did have a touchdown but Kaelin is falling further and further down the pecking order and obviously a lot could change all and I did have an article I posted yesterday yesterday morning I mean it did pretty well as far as views I got over five thousand views so thank you guys for joining other throughout see some of these young players start to develop but they still lost so again if you're tanking if you're part of that fan base and I do believe that I am one of them doing dolphin things and they don't even have the guy you know it's a guy that a lot of people wanNA tank for you see him go down with that injury the first senior expecting the absolute worst you know he goes out spots so the dolphins are not assured a a joe borough and that's kind of a shift our focus now everyone saw to atone of logo down Saturday night late in the game when head on head to head with a defender. I mean it was something that you just love to see coming out of a quarterback a thirty six year old quarterback but I I gotta be honest I was a guy that was very fond of Josh Rosen I thought the world of him the guy still twenty two years old so to sit here and say the verdicts out on him would be you know would be ignorant and would be out the rest of the year he decided to come back senior season the dolphins end up you know having a draft one of these other guys but again to tunnel Vilo is not the the here all sales is are now owen six they have everything kinda going their way the Cincinnati bengals are terrible as we said the jets are terrible lots of teams are still jockeying for that tops eight dolphins entire fan base kind of you know inhaled exhaled wherever the heck it is you know you just felt a sigh of Oh man a punch in the gut the dolphins offense is Vince Biegel when he seemed like throwing into Kiko Alonzo tray with the New Orleans saints the guys in playing out of his mind I'm also going to try to cut up on him this week because borough the suck for the duck would just in her the lose for love the fail for from I mean there's lots of options initial draft the thing is there's the two the dolphins taken Joe Borough and number two so again this is a guy that was kind of an unknown heading into the year wasn't really well known throughout the College you know community or the IT Jalen hurts list goes on and on but the dolphins are going to get a quarterback in this draft sit back relax enjoy it or talking about quarterbacks we can't sit here and overlook scouting community you know people new job earl the new he tried to transform Ohio state because he can't be down to just a J. T. Barrett or a Cordell Jones and maybe that's more to say about urban he's obviously needs some more years guy reached out to me and he was jokingly saying finalists was jokingly saying you know what if he transferred he put the team on his back and again. I mean this guy with a rocket arm he has a lot of Josh Allen Carson wentz similarities air so he's a guy that I do think the dolphins is I if they can move up and down the draft board as deem fit and eventually get the quarterback that they do come of it you know there's lots of options out there we sold just in Herbert put the Meyer than anything but Joe Bureau has taken immense steps this season is starting to look like a franchise caliber quarterback I know people have concerns about his arm strength just says you do Jake for run game you know he had that here's some playmakers on the outside a good defense could coaching whatever it is Ryan Tannehill seems to have that at least for one game against the chargers who let's be do with Melvin Gordon. We fumbled on the goal line which that was just some crazy no it was a crazy couple plays there you did not expect that outcome to happen can sit here and watch both quarterbacks Dole it out but just remember I mean the dolphins have a plethora of draft picks so they can get to a number one or they don't get that inches they're traveling out to Oregon could think very highly this Guy Jake from a lot of people think he's the perfect fit in this offense and Jordan love a guy who you continue to see them a homelike quality auburn this week he then plays Alabama shortly down the line and what many believe is kind of like the College Football Super Bowl and hopefully to a ton of by lows back to that game hopefully dolphin fans Mona's back against Washington came back yes he didn't make any of those flashy plays a lot of them were scream passes for touchdowns but the guy needed to be Washington he went out there and did it they came from behind servers career he has been an Achilles heel for that team Brian Tannehill Bravo man. Thank you for going out there beating Tennessee titans and just showing dolphin fans you know Corollas then there's pride the Joe Pearl which is starting to skyrocket up a lot of people's draft boards you see mock drafts now and you can put as much stock into these mock drafts as Areosa continue to see the Spiderman shifts them kind of point at each other but guys I mean you have to feel a little bit of you know happiness to see Ryan Tannehill go out there what our favorite quarterback Toe Thumbs Aka Ryan Tannehill Aka ten of God what he did over the weekend and you know a lot of it has to and make those plays I mean he was a very good quarterback in two thousand sixteen before clay's Campbell took his leg out we always said he needed to have the perfect scenario he had ever an offensive line you know a good but Ryan Tannehill went out for three hundred twelve yards two touchdowns an interception a lot of people when he got traded to Tennessee kind of jokingly say no he is a better quarterback Marcus Oklahoma what if he goes there and you know becomes at Heisman candy like resumes Jalen hurts like we saw last year with Colin Murray I mean that would be the ideal situation children love it that you have a lot of people a lot of arguments have been started over whether you were a good quarterback in okay quarterback a bomb does a pretty damn good quarterback he's good that he forced his way out the dolphins got very nice draft pick and return it does appear to be a top ten pick the Mason Rudolph back you know the Pittsburgh steelers defense has been playing out of this the best quarterback if you were to transfer there but he's probably coming out this year so there's lots of options keep an open mind aides not to atone of a lower bust all of that is kind of dolphins who now shift their focus to the Pittsburgh steelers on Monday night in Kinda joke on twitter that there was every time to sit here and route openly for the Miami Dolphins it's Patrick it'll be interesting to see how Fitzpatrick performs against his former team against team were you know his mom openly complain you know different situations happen there go out there and displayed the beating down team it would be the Pittsburgh steelers because let's be honest the Pittsburgh steelers have the dolphins first round draft pick they knew they moved out for disgruntled Defensive Back Tom so let the thing play out but at the end of the day they said Job Rooney's go out there and be a good Mississippi state team he did that he's going to go out there and do the same thing now I see it I have to a ton of Loa one Guy Justin herber and Joe Borough Kinda jockeying for that number two spot Jordan Love Jake Frahm J. Keys in you want but these mock dresser start have joe boroughs name come to the top you know he's starting to get picked first or second or or somewhere in there take it down just released their latest mock draft world that is going to be a game that you know people joking it's going to be a lot worse than what we just winners I don't think it is I mean the Patriots have the best defense in the NFL they're the situation with Ryan Tannehill then they will be a marcus Mariota so I mean I keep rooting for good things are going to come for Ryan Tannehill the same cannot be said for them funds are just going to continue to build on and that's kind of what you want to see out of these next few games here in Miami You know the dolphins are not going to go out there they're not going to be in the hunt they're not going to make the playoffs yeah but let's be honest. I mean the Pittsburgh steelers are a team that you know the dolphins could go out there and beat all Monday night football with Ryan Fitzpatrick again this entire offense looked to be light years better than it was even the offensive line started to see some some improvement. Evan Boom you know Michael dealer you know there's different pieces air that I just WanNa see some development from some of these young players and coaching staff at least proves that you know they somewhat have an idea what's going on Brian floors has been going all out these last few weeks to win games England patriots are undefeated they might run the table is disgusting as that sounds you know they're probably GonNa go undefeated this year the dolphins hopefully you're going to go winless and get to a ton of Vilo that's kind of joke kind of nodded let's kind of what you expect at this point the dolphins have nothing to lose they're going to go out there they're going to travel to Pittsburgh Monday night Primetime Ryan Fitzpatrick could do Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't very interesting game because again the Pittsburgh steelers have the Miami Dolphins first round pick before we wrap up the show there are two things that we need to touch on first round pick thirteenth overall starting quarterback and I do believe that he is the the quarterback to lead the Tennessee titans what to an eighth season made the playoffs. I joke but I think they're much better long term longevity of this team could have you know could be a key cog in that that front for the offensive line other some defensive playmakers that continued to improve that pick in the twenty eighteen draft. I stand corrected the twenty nineteen draft was Christian Wilkins and Christian Wilkins a lot of people you don't see those flashy numbers in the stat line you salt we mentioned in the in the flagship podcast you know he went out there and he was just heartbroken after a two point conversion didn't work we saw onside kick return for a touchdown we knew they tried that if you can do that I think the sky's the limit for you twofold again we mentioned the Bobby McCain situation again there's a video surfing I do not think he spit on the Fan I'm not GonNa sit here and I want to be in the record book for Owen Sixteen personally that's what's could take get two I'm okay with it but I think the dolphins are going to keep competing and they're going to shock some people and on how to place he admitted that it was a selfish soon his part but you expect that from other guys you know maybe he's frustrated because he's coming from Clemson you know he's he's not used to being the German suplex someone at after the play a few weeks ago please against the chargers a got an unnecessary roughness penalty there and then he throws a punch thirty one seconds into the game in a in say one way or the other whether that's true or not but there was no visual evidence from what I saw and you know tip your hat. Brian floors because he's trying to keep things under wraps he's trying to a lot of people are saying you know Could Dolphins be okay without him what is he a bus. Let's be ostrich Wilkins is only played six games he is not a bust he has plenty doing. Daniel Nettle that defensive line that you know again doesn't appear in the stat books and he's the perfect pro in at least that's kind of what you heard out of Clemson but that was kind of not the case we build the right culture here so if you're gonNA go out there and even jokingly threatened to spit on a thirteen year old boy or his father whoever it was that's not gonNa like your a bad image for the team were not going to stand for that and that's kind of what you hope to see from your coach so there's lots and lots of good that came from that buffalo bills game a little bit of bad sure I think if you dig a little bit deeper than just looking at it on paper on the sacks or tackles or whatever it is he's occupied two defenders at a time he's opening things up for those guys around him fake Field Goal Remains Hawk ran the ball the dolphins tried several different things to get this W it didn't work out but eventually it's going to work out and I think as Dolphin fans you know they scored twenty one points on a defense at many people didn't even expect anyone the I up until this point you know Nolan scored twenty one points so you gotta tip your hat to the Miami Dolphins but Christian Wilkins I mean you gotTa get over those is Josh Rosen supporter you know how many people bring up the Josh Rosen thing zero because I've omitted that he needs to to sit he needs to continue to grow and that's all it is we're fans they're gonNA show up the offensive line they're going to build the pieces in place you know maybe they don't have success in twenty twenty maybe it's more like the dolphins of old receipts six or seven wins but guys we need to realize that so Christian Wilkins I'm not ready to call your bus excited for the future of you on that defensive line but you gotta clean up some these boneheaded mistakes man and you know award signings are going to stick around at one hundred thirty million plus in cap space for twenty twenty the war trust Jeff draft picks in two thousand twenty. They're going to get their quarterback but there's plenty to build on because at the end of the day the dolphins are not playing till you know they're not doing anything at twenty nineteen guys they're developing these young players are trying to find out which these lowest a division rival rivalry matchup that the dolphins they wanna go out there and they wanted to blame beaten down the buffalo bills and you know by many accounts they kinda did I think there's a lot to be desired from during but just go out there guys make your own evaluations on these players what's worse it's going to happen someone's going to re tweet it later in the year couple years road and you're gonNA look like a Doofus for a few minutes you know who cares I've died on the Ryan Tannehill literally on the hill for four or five years before I've just just we love this team we love the game of football go out there and just try to evaluate talent try to do better and just be better people overall again I hope you enjoy this podcast when we seems like someone says Jake Fromm the guy or jake from is the perfect fitness offense and all of twitter sitting there you know rallying behind Jake from in that one week later terrible historically terrible season and you know that's all we can look at for this episode of the daily right here on the inside report of the SP nation in the same situation and he's currently and where these losing and that's kind of similar to why make Fitzpatrick winds wailed Miami. You just want to see develop Chris Wilkins again I think he's being he's a fine player finsider so follow at the finsider good things are coming guys I mean it might not seem right now but the dolphins are going to be better off in the end for this this the things are eventually going to come from the Miami Dolphins and you should be excited for have go out there and start scouting players sit here and you can listen to one personal twitter say Joe Borough now is the guy in everyone's just rallying around him and rightfully so a job but I don't see it Jake from you know I don't really see what Jake Jacobs this was a solo addition of the finsider daily I am Josh Housing Follow on twitter at House will continue to pump out content I'm going to be helping with social media a little bit on that it has been wealthy it's not just they will pat mahomes through another twenty are down this quarter or how close is it going to be at the two minute mark you get five right and it's be for victory baby sideline doc. 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I Hate the Fins No. 24 - Draft Recap and Rosen Chatter

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I Hate the Fins No. 24 - Draft Recap and Rosen Chatter

"You're listening to I hate the Finns this episode twenty four. Thank you. Welcome name is Keith happy to have you. I'm joined by my co host. Zach all touch base with him in a second. This is pretty much draft fallout week everyone talks about what their team did, or didn't do over the course of the weekend, Thursday through Saturday. If you're a dolphin sandwich, if you're tune this show, I'm going to assume that you are. There's a lot to talk about. So Zack where it will just move right into because I want to try to keep this show within the within the I guess you'd say scope of about three hours. So for Thursday night comes, we all expected, you and I. Calamari would go number one. He did even after the talk earlier in the week that it wasn't going to happen. It happens. Not only that they'll actually, let me stop it. Stop everything for a second. Let's do this. Instead, I want to congratulate you because I don't think we've talked about this you in January accurately predicted the dolphins first round pick, which is Christian Wilkins. We'll get to him in the second and then as soon as Cuyler Murray was hemming in hiring over whether he was gonna play baseball or not. You thought I one of the dolphins could poach Josh Rosen. And they did that was also in January. So if you'll you need to just quit the internet at this point, because it's never gonna love to. I would love to. It's, it's good to know that I have peaked internet wise at twenty six and it's all downhill from here in how the game plan is hopefully, I don't make it to thirty so there ain't much longer. Nafta internet Flor right than you pick the right time to Pete. Fortunately, we don't have to worry about your down ears. So. Like I was saying. So we didn't believe we talk about this is we, we didn't buy the whole of Mary isn't gonna go number one thing we call that total crap. It was he went number one. And then for a little while it was chock there. And then Oakland made it interesting. And then that story comes out today that the raiders wanted to trade down with the dolphins. See, I feel like previous incarnations of dolphins front office would've made that deal to it would've traded up to four. They did at this time. Cleveland Farrell goes to the Oakland Raiders at for soon to be the Las Vegas raiders at some point. I mean you've seen the Daniel Jones thing all the videos of giants fans losing their minds that want the one dude, who's like giving himself, a wedgie, is it wearing Umbro shorts with Landon Collins, t shirt, I'm not sure about that combination. It doesn't work out the way that most people would expect it to fail. So everything fault. The Packers take Rashawn. Gary the board totally falls away. The dolphins want it to and Lou true to what you thought they go Christian Wilkins. They go for the stud interior guy. So what do you think now that we've talked about? He could be a dolphin. Now he is in how you feel about it. I mean, I feel the same way when we had the conversation of could be a dolphin. You know all the stars align. And, and it makes sense from not only a, a scheme player kinda need standpoint, but, but a locker room like the, the culture that Flora's is trying to set and bring in. That's those are the kind of guys that you want. And you know, I think there's a chance that he's a better person off the field than he is on the field. And he's a pretty damn good player on the field. So at the end of the day in oh, there's people that I've heard that don't care for it. It's not the sexiest pick is the biggest need. I still think as much as I love God Shaw, and I, I really like Vincent Taylor. And they also have Spence, I don't think the defensive tackle position was ever solved at any point. Is it a sexy as an edge rusher? No. But I mean Christa Wilkins played everything from a six seven kind of technique all the way down to a zero one kinda guy. So at the end of the day, depending on what they looked to do moving forward, which none of us really know at this point, it could be playing anywhere on that defensive front, you know. And I think if you want. To play him on early downs, as like a an outside five tech. And then put God Shaw and Taylor in the middle. Like really say look like we are stopping the run on this play. You could do that if you want to. But again at the end of the day he's just a really good player. Really good skill set. And he's a really good person. So I thought that was well received there's a night just kinda I made the mistake I was avoiding Twitter for the most part because I didn't want vendor spoilers because I knew I was going to be able to see until Saturday. But I still got baited in once they took Wilkin those like I will. Go ahead will interact a little bit. See what happens. Most people seem to really like it. Some people were really down on the fact that they didn't take Dwayne Haskins. Which I expected but I also didn't expect them to take Dwayne. Haskins saw I was ready for that. So go ahead. And we'll use that to say way fast forward to Friday Friday afternoon. It comes out while Friday morning really comes out that the dolphins are the team. Hottest in pursuit of Josh Rosen who now is out of a job at sensually because Murray is taking over with cliff Kingsbury in Arizona. And if you go ahead and we'll backtrack to Thursday night, the other two teams that were supposedly players in the Rosen. Saga if you will where the giants and the Redskins and they both drafted quarterbacks in the first round Thursday night, Daniel Jones at six for New York. And then Washington didn't even have to trade over Dwayne Haskins. Like our own thought they would they got him at fifteen. So now again, fast forward to Friday all the dolphins. Biggest competition is out of the way as far as we know we're hearing now that New England was a player. I don't know. I don't know if that's true. And I don't really care personally, but at that point Miami's essentially betting against or bidding against themselves because Aaron had no leverage area drafted the quarterback. They didn't try to shop him at the combine like most teams in the situation would look to do because you had the number one pick you have nothing to hide for many, adding one, you don't have to disguise things. It's not like you're worried about the team in front of you. There's no team in front of you. It's you. So. Things get interesting Thursday night, or excuse me, Friday night, and the dolphins are sitting there, forty eight and then riser about to pick the trade down. They trade with the, the saints and they fall, the way down to sixty two, which is two spots away from the end of the second round. So you're look you're pretty much near the end of the second round. Now you get twenty twenty two which everyone's talking about how great the twenty twenty draft is clearly Miami believes that because they've started to acquire picks like the dickens for that draft. I think they packaged the fourth this year to the saints for that. So now they've diluted the value of their second round pick. And now you're sitting at sixty two and I'm thinking what's going to happen here. Because still no Rosen dill, and then. Right. As they're about to hit the clock. You see come through that Josh Rosen. His in fact, a Miami dolphin now to again backtrack a little bit. Rosen was my favorite offensive player last year I made no bones about the head. A lot of people. Argue with me about that. And I understood there points against it. Everyone had a favorite. But I don't understand. I've seen some people bring this up. The magazine like the, the dolphins gave up too much, first of all, what do you think of getting Josh Rosen and second of all, is there such thing as giving up too much in this situation when you just gave up a, a low site round pick for a guy who went number ten overall last year? Definitely a fan of the, the Rosen move in my quarterback rankings for last year's class. It was Baker Rosen. And then I have Lamar Jackson behind rose by just a hair just because of his versus skill set there. But the day I, I can't comprehend. Even if you do like the draft pick math on it, how you can consider it a bad deal because even if it wasn't for a potential franchise QB, if you factor in the saints pick and the pick of the eventually gave up for Rosen with that fourth two saints included. And then you kind of think about also like oh, yeah. The cardinals also gave up a third and a fifth last year to move up in front of the dolphins to take him. Like if you just simply do the draft pick math, which you could technically do. But using that trade chart thing, the dolphins made out, really, well, you out on top of that, that they could potentially have a franchise quarterback that was drafted one pick ahead of where they took Minka last year, which makes you essentially say that for the sixty second pick this year, which would have less value last year if you were to trade that sixty second picker, whatever at the end of the day that means you got back to back first round picks. So I just have a hard time between. I mean, I'm not a big math person but I think it's pretty simple math. And at the end of the day, you got a potential franchise quarterback. That is at least gonna make this year. Interesting even. If they aren't that good. So what do you think happens? They're just a it's a tough evaluation. Still you're talking about a guy who got pummeled with Arizona last year. Arizona can protect him AirAsia, couldn't couldn't really scheme him up couldn't do anything. And it was it was a mess. And yet, if you look at his numbers for the most part, stay away from his QBR, his numbers are respectable when you consider just the, the smoldering trash fire that was going on in on in Glendale last year. So I mean his numbers are right up there with darnold with Sam darnold. Josh allen. And those guys are considered to have had strong rookie seasons. So I don't get that part of it. But what do you think that the chances are that Josh Rosen? Josh Rosen is the guy and instead of looking for a quarterback next year. The dolphins are playing with draft fund money. I think I think there's a better shot than not that he could be the guy, you know, again going back to looking at the other guys in that class. He definitely feel the ball, regardless of his numbers people get sucked up in the numbers of productions and stuff. But if you go back and look at throws like the one that I sent you earlier tonight like. Josh Allen did not make us roll like that last year. Lamar Jackson did not make it throw like that last year. So, like, I think after Baker, I think darnold, was probably a hair better than Rosen throwing the ball wise. But I mean Rosen's still the third best thrower out of those five guys even on a terrible team last year. So, you know, at the end of the day, I think it's hard to evaluate him there, I think it is still going to be hard to potentially evaluate him this year because there's not much ofensive line help right now. I think his weapons are better in Miami, I think fits is down to the level where Kenny stills his as constantly played at, but at one point fits, was a, a star player that I think a healthy Albert Wilson is definitely better than Christian Kirk, who is who is. Just finally coming on the end of the year last year. I know you hope koseki can can pull together and give him a good tight end option. But at the end of the day, you know, I, I think it's going to be a tough evil this year. I think the thing that tricky about this is people keep talking in terms of, you know, well, if he's no good this year draft a guy in twenty twenty which is totally a possibility. They have not made enough of a commitment, or gave up enough to say that, like not know Joshua's our guy forever. So at the end of the day is a possible, they have the first pick or you know, a top three pick and decide like we want the top pick to get a quarterback that they do it in two thousand twenty totally possible point you still have one of the best youngest cheapest backup quarterbacks in the league, I honestly, think it's more likely that they'll go into next draft. Give rose in two years. And I think it's a smarter bet that if you're gonna head, you're on a future draft class, you keep building draft capital to go after Lawrence in twenty twenty one way smarter move in my opinion. Right. And that Nick sons in I've, I've seen it from a couple of people. I love the Rosen move. Obviously, I think that on just a natural thrower of the football. But the one thing I noticed in, if you watched his and I caught a couple of his games last year, the aside, from the fact that he'll shell shocked at times, which I would expect from a rookie who's getting pounded out there. You just look late in a lot of his decision making in his reads and whatnot. And that's something where I feel like having Jim. Call Bill in the building and to a lesser Senate working in shadow Shays offense, I think is going to be huge for him because I mean he still needs to be coached up here. I mean he's still in my opinion in terms of, of a mental progress still. I guess the word or the phrase is looking for is he still a work in progress. He still raw there. I mean there's a lot to work with. I mean like he is just such a natural thrower of the football, though. The perfect comparison period. And I totally agree with it is he throws like Troy Aikman ball and I have to end. I'm with you one hundred percent on that one. Because when he does let it fly. It does look like Troy Aikman, let it go. So I like I like his chances though. I gotta be honest. I mean there's, there's a lot that could work against him in that I mean, he could be in this situation again, next year for all we know. I mean that's not that's not outside the realm of possibility. But if you look at a lot of the stuff that went wrong for him in Arizona last year, a lot of that is correctable all of it is correctable. I mean, it's stuff where I mean Jim call was going to get him into a routine, and I mean when a routine. Lifestyle routine in terms of how you purchase the quarterback position. I mean like there's going to they're going to work on discipline. They're going to work on establishing on how much time you allowed to everything in your life in terms of approaching the quarterback position. I know he started do that in Arizona. He's really into a now, Jim call will and I think all that's gonna benefit him. But in terms of talent, the sky's the limit is just a an I don't understand the whole character concern thing I had to laugh forget where the story came from, but they're talking about how he's we've seen it before to the Trump hat, does something that got him in some hot water with people because all of a sudden, now, he's a he thinks or he speaks his mind. He speaks freely going after under armor and just corporate sponsorship, when he was at UCLA was a, a move that I would say did not go over well, but they said that one of his character concerns is that he asked a Dita's. Who he signed to the what was it that to make him cleats? That were made out of recyclable materials. And that was considered. I like a sketch move on his part or something. Yeah. I mean, he, he cares about the environment. So, you know, that's an issue. I guess, but, like I just I just find it extremely comical. And like this just tells you how salty Pissy the dolphins fan base is is that like for so long. Everyone just hated tannehill. You had all those people that hit hated tannehill because tannahill was a robot and gays loved them. Essentially because he was just a yes man. Like, okay, daddy gave like I'll do whatever you want. And now like now you get the guy that's the exact opposite. And like what people are like we don't wanna frigging robot and like that's easy. Exact opposite in there. Like all like he's too over spoke at, like there's an issue with that. Now that rant mode is deserved. Have we ever used the phrase deady gays on the show? No. I'll make a t shirt. She need to get this started. I I've daddy gays. That was not. That's what case wanted. And like you're already starting to hear stuff out of jet stuff that like geeses back in, like, it's my show or the highway kind of thing, where it's like dude. Like just I thought you would learn I thought you would grow realize your mistake of, like, okay? Look like I did some things wrong. I need to tweak here to have success and to be a professional at the level that I want to be up like obviously hasn't changed. So again, I I loved Ryan tannehill. But, you know, it is what it is. And I just can't please dolphins unfortunately just as what it no, no. You can't it seemed like things with Ryan tannehill just could never get on on track all at the same time. Like he'd be he was having a great sea or a very good season. And then the ne- thing happened or you know early in his career he gets you get hooked up with Joe Philbin, the suppose. A quarterback whisper who proved to be anything, but there's just a lot of there's gonna unfortunately, if you're a dolphin saying, looking back on Ryan tannehill. I think there's a lot of whatevs AMI like it could have been could have been a good player for them long term. But I mean that's as neither here, nor there now because they have I mean, we all agree that Josh Rosen is a flat out upgrade over what they had the quarterback position over the last twenty years. I mean that's one thing I don't think people realize this is the best quarterback. You've had under centers since Dan Marino. That's a relative statement, by the way, I'm not saying he's anywhere close to Dan. But they've had a lot of trash under center. I mean like with apologies to my guy, Jay feeler Levy, Jay. But I mean there is just not been good. And the funny thing is they find another quarterback. They find a first round quarterback in the second round with this trade. But typically, this is a team that's tried to find their guy in the second round and that's an exhausting list of guys like John Beck, and Chad Henny. And I mean, patois doesn't really count because you as a supplement really, but it's it's been a never ending cycle for these guys. But I think that Josh Rosen is going to be fun in Miami. I'm looking forward to it. And if you really want to get deep with this one, I think he's actually good for football because I think what turns off some millennials when it comes to the NFL is it at times can come off as, like a meat market sport where it just plug in people, and then they just go about it. And then that's it. You know, you don't have a lot of personality there. I think that's why. A reason why somebody like Patrick Mahomes, even though Patrick Mahomes is an outspoken guy. He's loud on the field. He does crazy stuff. You know, it's almost like an an when mixed tape with that guy sometimes, but it's fun like it brings a vibrant element to the NFL, which I mean personality wise, can get a little stuffy, sometimes. So, like, I'm cool with it. He's not saying anything outrageous, maybe talks about the environment or you want to talk about, you know, diversifying his, his stocks in his portfolio, and everything. You know whatever that's fine. If that's what you're interested in. But the way he handled that situation air Zona. He clearly loves the game football because I don't think anyone would go through that kind of thing and try to save face the way that he did most people would have just been like, you know, screw this. I'm not I'm not dealing with us, but he handled it. Well, God, I want to know is, I wish we could have Steve Smith on this podcast. So I could you know, talked him a little bit about Rosen and then ask him how he feels about Tara. Doc hill. I'm sure you would say great things about to kill because he doesn't unfold teams on Instagram, but tyreek hill is a fucking piece of shit and still in the league. But what he, he goes on a rant on the draft coverage about a young man unfolding a team that is gonna post nothing but Cuyler stuff for the next month and a half, like, are you kidding me? Wake. I just remember watching that live. And I was like, what is happening like, and that's why NFL network to while we're on the topic has just slowly gone downhill, too, 'cause they bring in guys like Steve Smith, m j d these past players that don't really know anything. I don't have anything to actually contribute, besides dumb nonsense, like that. And then people just like sign off and go, like, yeah, I think I'll watch the weird ESPN coverage on ABC next year because like as much as I love rich and the guys like I'm not seeing dumb Steve Smith nonsense. No. And I don't have NFL network anymore. Coz, I stream. Now, we know through Hulu under the impression I had that channel. So I actually watched it on. ESPN. When for the first time in. Since probab- at the last time I watched the ESPN draft coverage would probably be two thousand eight so it's been a while the a lot of us are old enough to remember when Steve Smith was in the NFC championship game with Carolina and they're playing there in Seattle. So this is two thousand five January two thousand six and he just enact game was such a diva at points was just ignoring John FOX just the kind of stuff that he's essentially killing Josh Rosen for. So some of us are remember that Steph Steve your year. History is checkered at best when it comes to this topic, maybe maybe sh. So I don't I don't understand. I thought that that and I mentioned this to you that, that whole rant seemed very forced. And maybe they just want to go ahead and, and create headlines. It seems like that's what he is or NFL network wants to do these days. Anyway, they just want go make, I don't think it was necessarily forced because it's like Steve Mariucci was like w f what the hell is going on here. So I feel like it wasn't forced. It was like actually spur of the moment. I just think Steve Smith has some other stuff potentially going on. And he maybe it was having a rough day. And that's just kinda what set him off. But you also remember Steve Smith is the guy that also punched a dude on his team in the face in the lunch line because of something that was a little impicitly for him. So just because he is not on social media, and he feels like he's old school or whatever. He doesn't need to be addict for no reason. Yeah, I don't know. I thought it was like my, my take on when I watched it, I was just like, oh, man. He's been sitting on this for a while. So here we go. It was almost like he's had to listen to talk about Roseanne for a year, and he was like, well, I'm just gonna unload here. So I think I think maybe he had Rosen stuff preplanned in his mind. But I don't think it was like network plan because like no all the stuff that moves and those guys have done like mooch was just like what the hell is going on? And I've never seen him like that which is too bad because NFL network used to be all about, like the analysis and everything like their draft analysis used to be so good. Like in the network started in, like fall two thousand three. I remember like there are two thousand five coverage like they were bringing down the running backs. It was a really good. And I came away from that thinking that because I wasn't sure which running back I like the most, and I came away from that thinking, yeah. I think like Ronnie Brown so helpful at that point. They don't really offer that anymore. That's not really a service. They provide. So we're in agreement. We like Roseanne I'm excited. He's got his number three that's going to be cool. I'm I'm hoping that his presence gets guys like sticky gone, which by the way mentioned he changed number eighty eight which is the if you're a great dolphins tight end you should wear number eighty eight. Yeah, I fired. I don't think they should let receiver touch at number. Personally when Karoo was wearing it. I was like get that off him. I kind of liked crew. I feel like eight cool receiver number tight end or wide outnumber, regardless. Karoo Karoo just never made it happen. No. I love the number. But I feel like in Miami. Like, when I think of. Yeah, bandage each action. So the disguises as killing in that number. So all right. Let's go in and back off the Rosen thing, a little bit just because there's plenty of other stuff to talk about. So there are other picks made great news. In another guy we had been talking about. I want to say as far back as last fall, Michael deeter now a Miami dolphin moving around, and played left tackle, it won't point at Wisconsin, and then did work at center. Br guy where I mean, I like him as guard, I think his best position might be center actually, but the ideas that he can play multiple positions. And I think he's a really good. Get. Beyond say, Arianna Guerande and Drake are talked about ad nauseam as celebrities. But there's one thing that's rarely discussed their music on switched on pop. We go deep into the sounds of pop music to explain what it means. How it's made and why it's so effective. We talked with some of today's greatest artists producers journalists to decode the musical logic behind our modern soundtrack and understand its role in our culture switched on pop. Won't reveal for you. 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He's a guy I think they're trying to bring a think some of these picks that they made especially round three in on reflect some of the things that worked well in New England that they would like to try to replicate on a base level to create that, that base to start with because I mean as soon as they picked deeter, I was just thinking shack Mason, you know what they turned shack Mason into up there in New England because shack Mason was a dude that played in that. Wishbone BS, Georgia Tech, offense was a Mahler run blocker pass walking was fine. I think is a better pass blocker to be honest. But at the end of the day, I think they're trying to replicate their own shack. Mason. Yeah. I agree with that. And it's Mahler is definitely the the ammo for what they're looking. They're looking at right now. And I mean, let let's be on his after however, many years of trying to go the finance route. I kind of like. I kind of like the idea of going back and just getting dirty if so, I mean, I, I'm all for it. I think Michael, I love Wisconsin guys. I don't wanna go much go too much into this. We talk about this all the time. Wisconsin guys. In addition to great talent bring a great attitude in my opinion to lay typically when those guys are on your team. Like there is just I mean just a lunch pail attitude with those guys. I mean like they're willing to do the dirty work. There's nothing they're not divas about stuff unless you're John Mafa, that was low weird, but he comes in and like I said, I like I think I like most of the center, but I think he'll probably do just fine at left guard, too. Yeah. I think I think he'll end up sticking at guard just because they right now they seem to light Kilgore. Which I was hoping they'd upgrade their center position. But at the end of the day, I think Kilgore is serviceable. But I, I think I think you wedge him between Tunsil. And you put him next to Kilgore who can help him out his first year. And that's a really good recipe for success on the left side of your line, right side. I don't know what the Fs gonna happen there. But left side looking good. I mean even though we're kind of jumping across picks a little bit. What do you think of prince? He's fine. I think he he's a pretty good run. Blocker, I think he has more functional strength than bench press kind of numbers will give you he feels like a less good version of the Taylor Deckers that have come out of Ohio State before I think, at the end of the day, he's probably more likely a. Extra swing tackle Magai that you just always have on your roster. He's always your number three tackle, which isn't a bad thing to have a where they took him. I think that's fine. I think people that think that he may be a starter even year two or whatever, that's, that's a little extreme for me. I was blown, we, they missed out on David Edwards. The good news though. They seem to be Wisconsin guys in this draft through. I wonder for that going forward. But you seem to be a fan of van winkle. Yes. So I think again, like I talked about with deeter shack Mason. I think they're trying to replicate their own Kyle van noy. It's just a coincidence, that he has the van in his name. I think. And it was funny because I didn't do a lot of work on him because between him and Conley. There were both pretty banged up in in and out during their time. It was constant so I figured, you know, they're going to be six or seven kinda rounders, maybe even undrafted free agents, and I just did not have the time this year to do the work that I usually do. But so I went back and watched him because everybody was saying, like, oh, yeah, he's, he's a good. You know, thirty four outside linebacker pass rusher kinda guy and he can develop from there. That's not what he is at all. He's, he's an okay pass rusher. He doesn't have a lot of pass. Rushing moves a one move. He does have though is that, that four step, cutting spin, you know, cut with the inside arm spin back inside. He got guys every now in, in with that which is nice. But when that's your only main move that's like a real back pocket. You know, fourth fifth kind of move in my mind because you can't be. Spinning all the time like it's just not is not practical at the end of the day. But what he does really well. Is he covers really, really well at it's not like Kiko Alonzo coverage where it's like good job covering that patch of grass, my friend. You did a good job. I'm proud of you like legitimately covers like shuts down throwing lanes makes plays on balls. He had a pick six that was exactly the same as the Jerome Baker one this past year against the jets. Which was great to see. And then he had another interception where the, the tackle tries to cut him. And he he's just like, no, that's not happening. And then what's the ball thrown? He just has the length athleticism to snag, it and come down with it. So I mean, I think. I think he's going to be a guy that they're going to try to work into be your forty three over under kinda guy depending on what side he technically plays, but he's a guy that you could put on the edge there. If you wanted to run that Krishna Wilkins as your five tech put him next to him. And then from there, either blitz them, UP them off or whatever you wanna do. I think at the end of the day, if they get the most out of him, he could be your, your maybe not to the same start of level is exuding Howard. But he could be a guy that, you know, three years down the line. People are looking back where they're like, oh, this was a wasted pick by Miami. And he he's one of our top linebackers. Do you think the dolphins heady remained on the board? Do you think they would have taken? One of the. That's that's new topic for debate. A lot of people wonder if New Orleans or if New England jumped up to take him because they thought that the because I mean let's face it everyone's a little in tune with what we want right now. So, so what do you think? I don't know, people, people started coming around on one of its towards the end of the draft process there. But, like everything, I saw regardless of combine numbers is like he's just an extremely high motor guy that that has three or four moves in his pocket. So against the lesser big ten competition. He looked really good. And he's also one of those guys that because of that motor picks up two or three sacks year just on like quarterbacks shitting bricks as he, he chases him now. That's all there is to I think he's good. I don't know if Miami would have gone that route 'cause all the guys that they were looking at as edgy is. There were looking at length that was one of the biggest things was late. And that's something that he doesn't have at all. And I mean, like what's the difference between having him and just getting Charles Harris to do what he needs to do? You know what I'm saying? You think that they can because as another topic that's been, I've, I think, for debate as in something that's been discussed frequently in the past couple of days, I've seen is the fact that they're going to try to use Charles Harris, the way that New England would try use Charles Harris, which is stop trying to make him a defensive end. Yeah. I think I think they will put him in a better position to to be successful. Charles Charles Harris. I think you do see him lining up the end. It's at a two point stance. And they're gonna they're gonna scheme him to have help from the inside in Casey does get pushed out. But so I think they get more out of him. I definitely not the biggest Charles Harrison. So at the end of the day. I don't think you get the twenty second overall pick worth out of him. But I think he's a guy that you can get enough out of him that if come contract time, you can pay him, like a third pass rusher than it might be worth it. I don't think they're going to turn him around. He's going to become a superstar anything come. Oh, that's too bad. I mean I wasn't a huge fan of that pick. But thought that they might be able to do something with it. Would you just I mean while we're talking about Mizzou guys chain raise just kind of kicking around out there. Would you take a chance? Why would I lie? Charles Harris now bless list, less enjoyable Charles Harris teaboy. Yeah. No, I mean. Yeah. No, I mean, most of those, Missouri guys they're outside of your Kony ealy is. And who's the other while the actually had some length Alden Smith? Most of those guys are like that, like they advertise them as six four. They're more. Realistically, like six three in, you know, three eighths. Their arm length is in as long as you'd like it to be. But that's just based on being six three compared to being sold a six four six five. They all have a good first step, because that's like the main thing out of their system. But all they ask those guys to do is be two point stance. Pass rushers most of the time, and that's, that's all there is to it ITO. Because most of the time, they, they I've seen Missouri run where they just essentially stack their linebackers in nickel with both guys kinda lined up on like an outside aid out, look. And then they have both their defensive tackles and three tax or like inside shade fours. Like so they, they run like a wild NASCAR package sometimes. And they've been so bad for so long that like they're chasing teams twenty four seven so at the end of the day, I, I don't think he Missouri pass rusher is going to be high on my list, unless they come with other attributes outside of that typical norm that they look for you guys at the edge. I get my God. There were so many lame white edge players, this year, that I wanted so bad. Just because they set the edge. Yeah. Well, I was bonuses Zack Allan. Yeah. Zona was air. Yeah. Of course or John Kaminsky, John Kaminski's. The other guy wanted out in Charleston. I liked him about to a guy that I was surprised that they didn't push for. But they kind of lost the opportunity to after they dealt that fourth round pick to the saints was a max Crosby out of eastern Michigan. Yeah. And draft dad went out and got him. So, you know, he's going to be a good pick. Trapped ahead. So would you think of taking a fullback? I mean I love full box. I think they're awesome. You know, and it's one of those things where. I don't think they're going to be running the atom geese get your running backs into space kind of stuff, you know zone. You know, hitter acquitted kind of stuff I think they are going to try to play a little bit more powerful ball but modernized power football. And right now, if you really think about it, the dolphins don't have a h- your running back on their roster. They have a lot of like scap that kinda guys unit only sledgehammer. No. Like like you could sell me on Kenyan Drake working out of the slot. More than like, I'm going to run you through the gap. You know what I'm saying? You know, and then Killa Balaj I think Caleb law shows you some good stuff. But even coming out of Arizona state. I was just perplexed because the dudes like six two six three whatever he is, you know, two hundred thirty five pounds and do ran like. Tinker bell. You know, like he was way, more finesse than power, so at the end of the day, he's, he's a guy that yet catches the ball, while out of the backfield for a guy that size moose pretty agile for a guy that size. But, like I haven't ever seen him low or the shoulder. Unlike punters somebody, so, you know, he has a little bit more meat to do the inside stuff. But will he can he? While we're on running back, so we can talk about their last pick miles Gaskin. I loved that Washington. You know, I don't know if I sent it to you at one point, but I was super confused in this draft. Because the biggest thing that Montgomery out of Iowa State was being sold on was like experience, and he carried that program. He has a lot of taken off of his tires. But, like he really cared that program and it's just like all right. Miles Gaskin did the same thing too, but because he's not know five eleven two hundred thirty pounds. There's a difference. And at the end of the day mouse gas can gives you way more on the passing game than a David Montgomery ever will, you know, I think the same thing for Justice hill who went to Baltimore. They're just guys that carried their their programs when they were handed the ball, they did what they needed to do. And actually we were talking about the size of the Kaelin Balaj a Kenyan Drake, not much smaller, because he rolls, what two six one. He's about to ten to fifteen. So I think he might have gone up to like two sixteen to two eighteen at one point two. So. Yeah, he's not that much smaller. No, they're not. They're not quaint back there for sure. Is going to be interesting to see how their philosophy philosophy differs this here in terms of how they handle their backfield I love the miles gas compare other way. So I'm gonna go and put you on the spot a little bit because why not? I'm just gonna ask you some questions, you can be as brief or as elaborate as like some Scopus himself out there, right vests pick for the dolphins best within a week after or best long-term just well, it's got to be. I mean, let's go ahead and do term, in terms of like this is this is a big. I think, regardless is the safest once easily Christian Wilkins, I think he's going to be on this team for a decade and he's going to run that locker room and he's going to give you multiple pro bowls and everything you want. Wow. So there they've got their franchise guy inside and they can build around that now. Yeah. I mean and you've got fits on the back end. Like you got a franchise guy upfront. You got a franchise guy in the back. I think hopefully they lock up ex who should be a franchise guys while also. But defense has some nice cornerstone pieces. Learned thing too. I mean if you're going, I mean, they're not paying Josh Rosen, elm thing now is there what six million dollars over the next crazy? Stupid low for paying a corvette even rookie scale quarterback like that. So because of stuff like that you can afford to lock box. This is how an NFL teams do it now. And I mean, that's one thing, a lot of people haven't talked about, like, how it this move further allows them to lock their dudes up because and if Rosen is there guy enemy, and you're able to 'cause there's a fifth year option in their tutors. So I mean that's pretty much. The Kanawha cheat code as far as I'm guessing one hundred percent. I realize you're ninety slash two thousand kids. So I don't know how familiar are with Kanani code. I don't mean to throw stuff out there like that. So all right, the pick you you'd like the least this week. I liked the lease this weekend. Man. That's a tough one because I do like all them. I, I guess it would technically have to beat Cox, 'cause he's a fullback and I think he will provide the lease as I can't even say least versatility over the course of his potential dolphins career because he had a wildly Vercel career at Auburn for a place that used to just lineup fullback since they go kill. Because there's if you go look the guy that's the PF guy the lead for the dolphins. He put out a thing that, you know, primarily, he saw the most snaps a fullback. So the second most snaps at actually, like tight end in line. And then he saw snaps in the slot legitimately as a running back and technically as a quarterback, running their Auburn, while B S. So I mean he just has to be the least favorite pick, just because I like the other guys more. Despite a fault, that's fine. The most underrated selection the dolphins made this weekend. That's tough too. 'cause 'cause I think Gaskins is a great player and I think he's going to be a steady player. But again, I think Andrew van gingko has the opportunity to become a Calvin noy, and I think he could become it sooner in his career Lynn cow van noy was because he struggled so long in Detroit there. So if they can get the most out of him, I think he'll be unbelievably underrated where people are saying right now that, like, oh, that's kind of a waste of pick. I thought he'd be like a seventh round pick like undrafted free agent. We are essentially patriots south. Yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. Which I mean if you're gonna if you're going to copy any team, honestly, it's it should be them. I'm surprised more teams haven't tried to do it just based on their, their ratio of success to failure in base on how no one in the league ever seems to be able to figure those guys out long-term. So least of all of us. Anything else you want to get out there next week. We'll talk about the undrafted free agents. We're trying to keep this thing within an hour or already at forty five minutes. Yeah. Honestly, I know you're good. I was just gonna say, I could talk about Josh Rosen all day. Yeah, I don't think people realize how big that acquisition is people talk about the character flaws. Whatever even when people on NFL network, talk about I saw you had guys like David card, chiming in and everything, and they sound like they haven't watched any of this. Like it's like they re they read an article, and then they're basing their opinion on that, like he kept talking about perceived, how people have perceived, Josh Rosen attitude, and then the realities of his attitude, and I mean, not in a good way now just thought like what the hell are you talking about, like no one seems to want to read anything into this, and they just wanna go ahead and just shoot from the hip, so I don't get that part of it. I'm excited though. Because the upside is big time. And I think this team does have weapons. I'm hoping that what they've been able to do with the offense of line. Peter will make a difference getting Kilgore healthy will be a big deal. I would still like to add some pieces in there. I don't think we have a long-term right tackle right now. So, and that's why I was a little bunks. I thought David Edwards could be that kind of guy. But I mean that's not guarantee either you don't know that. But that's just kind of how I felt going through the the draft this weekend. That was a big Edwards fan. I honestly we wanted to take all the Wisconsin is like Ben show. Then shell had what like twenty some suitors like because he was like people were all around people, I think there were people that were definitely perplexed of like how's this guy not drafted at all? Like not even the seventh round flyer on him. I didn't get it. He ends up going with Detroit. So they're better off, or that I like that guy. A lot love. Deeter was my. I will say, I think you're is probably my favorite guy on that line. I like him a lot. I'm and obviously, retires my favorite. I when I went back to watch more film, I was just like who's this guy, just destroying these poor human beings, like like pancake, and guys every single plows like who's sixty seven again, as like Diesen, I was just super super bum that he retired. Like if your body's breaking down, man, like I want you to live a long happy, life, not Zack's happy that you may be the right tackle for them next year. Yeah. I get it. I'm glad I plot them for making that decision because that can't be easy not at all. I mean walking away from a sport that he's probably been playing for the, you know, the last, what twelve thirteen fourteen years of his life, I applaud them for that. Yeah. I think it's just going to be so much fun with this team now. And I, I love the mix of getting Rosen in there with Caldwell as at quarterback coach and overall, I guess you'd say kind of guru, I'm excited to see what channel shade does what the offense because I loved the idea of bringing some of those patriot concepts. Almost like abstract thinking to, to an NFL offense. I'm excited for stuff like that. And I mean, let's give Chris Kirker Greer credit. I, I mean, I'll ask you in a second, but I thought he'd killed this draft. But what grade would you give here the worst at I was hoping we surround the whole draft great thing. 'cause draft rates are so stupid. They are. But they the reason they are is because they usually come from stupid people. Yeah. You watched everything I think people value your opinion Amdo saying, like if you had to throw a great on it, and just watching it over the weekend. I said Zach how did you feel about what you just watched? What do you say, if I had to give it the stupid draft letter grade. I think I'd give it probably a minus I think official Wilkins, pick was an a plus again I, I think I think from again and onfield field perspective. You can't do any better. I think the Rosen trade was an a mile given a pluses kind of tough, but it's as close to an a, plus you get because of, I think, not only the fact that they got him. But to the moves that they made with the saints that you have to factor into it, which helped them build more draft capital for next year as well. I just didn't like give it up that fourth round pick because the fourth fifth round for the dolphins has been a sweet spot over the past decade or so. So I, I hate giving up that early days repick. So that's the only reason that's not an a plus I think are really good pick. You know so I'd give the dealer pick, probably like a like a, a b plus a minus kind of thing. I think as much as I love van gingko, I do think that you probably could have got him a little bit later. But if that's the guy that I think is perfect for that system than, you know, at that point yet, you gotta take them where you, you can definitively get him. You know, but so based on value and stuff like that say that picks probably like a CD plus to be honest. And then after that, you hop into the price pick I don't really care for the price picks. That's easily the one we talked at least about to again if he becomes your third swing tackle for the course of his career that ain't bad, especially for what you're gonna pay him. So again, I'd give that one like a c- and then the, the Cox pick a give that like a flat out because I just don't know what they're gonna do back lies yet. So I don't know how valuable and how much contribution he'll make yet. So it's too hard to guess out. No. In the system. And then I'd give the Gaskin pick a like a solid b plus a minus because he'll be the third running back on the roster. Straight out the gate. I don't know how much he contributes in a running back, formless share. I think you wanna see some special teams out of him which I think he could be a really good gunner kinda do some of the Kenyan Drake stuff that he did his first year or two. But at the end of the day, I think it kinda warns that, that a mind is just because one Christian Wilkins was a phenomenal pick and to, you might have a franchise guy Josh Rosen. Yeah. Everyone on Twitter was calling him prince over the the weekend. So I'm just gonna call them prince forever. Yeah. Yeah, I love it. I couldn't help it. I just just like well at this point everyone's just going to start calling them prince. So I'm not even comments first name by is air. Anything to me? Real quick. Do you wanna talk about Dalton prisoner? Yeah. I mean like as much as we love doll, I think he went to well, a hate that he went to Denver because that's another place where lineman go to die. But I don't think he's murderer -able. I think he's too good. Overall of a lineman from a strength of technical and a smart standpoint. I mean, the best part is like he gets to go home. You know, do trim Wiggins Colorado. I have a co worker that I worked with. I asked her like where's Wiggins Colorado? She's like it's nowhere. It just doesn't exist. It was like twelve people that live in that town. But so he goes home. He'll be like I think he said he's going to be like two hours away from home and at the end of the day he'll play right away. He'll have a good career and I think that's all there is to it. I'm just happy for him. With that. And this has been our discussion regarding the dolphins twenty nineteen NFL draft. I was pleased Zach was pleased. I hope you guys were to that's gonna do it for this evening. Next week. We're gonna and talk about the undrafted free agents how this team will try to assemble smaller pieces as it gets ready for all the summer camps and all that. Good stuff. In the meantime, thanks for joining us. My name's Keith for Zach, this is I hate the Finns. We'll talk to you next time. Take care.

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The Chris and Joe Show: Previewing the Dolphins

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The Chris and Joe Show: Previewing the Dolphins

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Pick just like the giants are in this game. I'm sure you could agree. Chris might not have a lot of implications and if they win it but like I said about pride and also showing improvement. Yeah and that's something something. The dolphins have done over the course of the year. They were easily the worst team in the NFL for the first half two thirds of the season but the players really have taken exception to the accusations that they're tanking. They have played hard and they they have gotten better over the last month month. And a half or so. Brian Florida's has really invigorated. That team galvanized them and even though they had such a long streak without winning a game at the start of the year. They've come on hot as of late beating the Philadelphia Eagles and also getting some other winds hot obviously can only mean so much with three win football team but still having those bright spots of showing improvement in showing fight at the end of the season. Something that giants have not done this year. Anything I think most people would argue. They have regressed in a number of areas which is why the dolphins head coach is Brian. Floors is not on the hot seat seat. In head coach. Pat Shurmur for the giants is on the hot seat. All that being said though like we do in every preview show. We're GONNA be giving you the offensive and defensive game plan planning to kick things off. Let's go right into the offense. This defense has been relatively atrocious. All Year for the dolphins inconsistent is the easiest way of putting putting it. They're allowing teams to move the ball very very easily on the on the ground amp through the air in the very bottom tier of the NFL. Statistically when it comes to that Chris why do you think that this defense has just underperformed or I wouldn't even say perform but done so poorly this season I would would say they are just really pretty depleted as far as players in talent go just looking through through their starting roster the players who kind of just leap off the leap. Jump out at me as guys. I kind of know. Oh I is avery moss because he was a giant than Christian Wilkins who know clean defensive tackle their first round pick and then didn't Beagle cornerback. Eric Rowe and then that's about it. They don't really have much in the way of good impact players on that defense and I think they're just at a talent. Disparity depleted really is a good way of putting it but I also it seems like this defense is so similar to the way the giants defense is right now just in the sense that they're very very young they don't have any major playmakers in it's just filled across the board with these younger quality. Guys that were drafted in the first round a relatively high and and are still developing in learning. Whether that's required McMillan Christian Wilkins like you said and Charles Harris all three of those guys were drafted high and they have a lot of Positively towards them and they and they think very highly of those players but still young and developing which which we've seen from the giants is is good proof that if a defense is young and developing. They're going to struggle. They're going to have a lot of issues making it a good opportunity for the giants to put up a lot of points. Hopefully a lot of yards this game so the dolphins defense is without Xavien Howard who is one of the best corners corners in the NFL. Because he is on the injured reserve. Chris who else is really good on this dolphin defence. Who is the best remaining defensive player? Just just based on what I thought of him coming out of the draft. I would have to go with Christian. Wilkins the defensive. Tackle Clemson played next to Dexter Lawrence. He was very highly regarded as an interior disruptor and also is a leader on that clemson defensive line. He's he's maybe not very athletic in the same way that At Oliver or Aaron Donald Our athletic but for a six fourth worth three ten three three hundred fifteen pound defensive tackle. He is athletic and he was an impact player for Clemson for quite a few years and was a big reason why they were consistently in the college football playoffs. Just of that defense of their starters. He is the one who really jumps out at me. Christian Wilkins like you said has done really really good this year as a rookie kind of similar style to Dexter Lawrence. Because he's big. It takes up a lot of space. He draws a lot of attention and he's someone that they're they're very high on going forward in fitting in with what Brian Flora's was looking for to fill fill out his defense in how those playmakers and stuff guys. That are just hard to move on the defensive line. So Wilkins is very much. He's be watching this game but I also think requ on McMillan who had dealt with some injuries early on his career. I still think he is a talented linebacker. He's very very fast. He's very rangy. He can move from sideline to sideline and he make plays all over the field so trying to move the ball with saquon Barkley and running the ball. Aw might not be as easy as you would assume it's going to be easier than it's been in other games but McMillan is a potential playmaker in the middle of Defense. Yeah and say it will be easier At the very least it should be easier picking up yards for the giants on offense. The this is a game. Where if they don't get those yards if they don't produce on both sides of the ball the outside the volume on the very serious questions that need to be asked of them really should get turned up? Lastly what we're going to cover here in the office of game plan is. What does the giants offensive of Game Plan? Need to be in this game. Well I would say not lose but but really this. The dolphins don't have a team that can knock you out of what you WanNa do either offensively or defensively so the giants should be able to run. Their offense may not the land in their shell playing not to lose. WHO's offense but if we can see something like what we saw in the second quarter against Philli or have seen sporadically sporadically throughout the threat? The last two years really where the whoever. The quarterback is is distributing the football the giants have the have balanced. They're attacking deep. They're in rhythm and moving the chains. That should be what they're trying to do. You looted to a a good point about saying whoever. The quarterback is because we're still not entirely sure if Dana Jones is going to be playing. He was positive in saying that he's progressing. He's he's getting better day today but the giants I'm sure not going to rush him back. That being said though in agreement with what you had touched on is that this Dolphin's defense as a collective collect hall is not very very good. It's probably one of the worst that they're going to be facing as a whole this season and what we've seen from the giants when they play really bad defenses for for example the lions for example the jets. They throw the ball really really well. Against those teams bad secondary's they weren't able to run the ball against the jets. Let's but they'll have a little bit of an easier time doing that. There's a very high potential for the giants to put up a lot of points. Offensively in this game. It's really just a matter of how the defense plays in. If they're finally not beat by a quarterback that is I would argue below the average or to the average level which the giants defenses consistently done on a week to week basis. The one thing though I do notice from this this Dolphin's defense is that they're very he's very vulnerable to deep passes. If if you can stretch the field of your playmakers those guys are going to be open if you can create some confusion for those young guys on defense events. Dirtiest Slayton isn't a potential perfect opportunity to have another big game like he had a big half against the eagles so be on the lookout for him to catch a lot of deep passes take a lot of go routes try and stretch the field of him and get him hopefully another score to yeah and this also should be a game where the giants quarterback should not be under duress. The dolphins only seventeen sacks on the season. They are really not pressuring pressuring the passer all that often and they're finishing even less. So whoever. The quarterback is Daniel Jones of his Manning they should at least have the time to go through their progressions and find those opportunities to Aceh Seti attack deep hit the deep passes and put up points. Yeah the offense of lines situation was a little bit better with Eli Manning in-command and they were able to keep him upright for the first half not so much in the second half against the dolphins defense that doesn't really have an established pass rush the next. We're going to discuss the defensive game plan but before we do that we're going to get very short commercial break. This episode road is sponsored by Stash. A SMARTER SIMPLER WAY TO START. Investing with Sash you can begin. Investing in a wide array of companies diversified funds for as little as five dollars his stash offers unlimited trading with no add on trading commission. So you can invest without worrying about getting nickel and dimed. 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We start by exploring how Amazon prime became a service with over one hundred million members and the main source of the company's power. I mean I think that's kind of what Amazon's suns banking on right that you're just locked in. You're going to go to any other sites. 'cause I don't and we end the season by pondering. The question is Amazon. Too Big you know and we just don't want to be the United States of Amazon. We just really don't land of the giants has been recommended by the New York. Times axios wired and more. It's it's a candidate. Look at the state of Amazon today. How we got here and what the future might look like? The entire first season is out. Now find out more and binge gene on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP so in terms of this offense for the dolphins they're also a bit underwhelming. Nothing really that strikes. You were really entices you and thinking. Wow they've got a lot of talent at this position or the other. It's pretty average across the board and it starts off their quarterback who is I would argue blow average. What do you think that the giants should expect expect from Mr Ryan Fitzpatrick? Well a great beard to start with but on the field you're right fit Ryan Fitzpatrick just as a starting quarterback is is below average as a backup quarterback. He might be one of the best the NFL has ever seen just because he has this uncanny uncanny ability to always be ready and able to just magic up some wins for a team that that he has he in that team have absolutely no business. Getting it wasn't that long ago that Patrick helped the Led the dolphins dolphins to a win over the eagles so he is really not a very good. Starting quarterback just viewed league-wide compared to the other starting quarterbacks in the NFL but you you never quite know when he is going to unleash that fits magic and play a really above what he should be capable playing and lift an offense above what it should be capable of doing it for all those reasons. You really can't underestimate Ryan Fitzpatrick and I know that sounds so odd to be saying about a quarterback that really again is is below average but for that reason. You can't underestimate. You can't just assume that he's going to come out and play bad because there are times he'll come out and he'll start to look really really good and he'll you'll move the ball really easily down the field start. Picking up chunk plays I down after I down. He's not a horrendously bad. He's not the worst quarterback quarterback in the NFL but he can flip that switch and he can turn things on and he can also make plays if they need him to that being said though he throws a lot of interceptions not really that safer. SMART with the football i. He's a bit risky and some of his decision making so there's a good chance at this. The giants secondary could pick him off in create some turnovers as far as other position groups that are notable for this dolphins offense. They have a really good receiver in devante Parker but as a shot that he might not be playing because he's in the concussion protocol Chris who are the other playmakers on the dolphins opens team. Yeah to the first one that really stands out to me is Alan hearns wide receiver. He's big he's fast and and he hasn't been terribly productive for the sorry. He hasn't been terribly productive so so far this year however he does have the ability to stretch the field. which is something fitzpatrick? As you mentioned we can be good at getting hitting those chunk plays so that somebody the giants have to watch out also say Mike Sackey tight end because the giants always have to be watching for tight tight ends and if they do have devante parker he is very athletic. He's tall he's fast. He can have one hundred yard receiving game if they need him too and they feed him the ball but it's a bit up in the air based on his situation and his health overall though they have a lot of really athletic receivers very speedy eighty guys Allen hearns Albert Wilson. Both of those guys are very very fast. And then also Mike Koseki who is one of the faster tight ends and also had a really really good combine Performance and had a really good forty time at the combine. So you know that athleticism is. They're so out of those few guys that we named they. Do you have an athletic bunch that can make big plays to cap things off here. Chris what do you think needs to be the giants Defensive Game Plan IF THEY WANNA win get pressure her on Ryan Fitzpatrick if the dolphins are going to have one of their offensive outbursts with are capable of doing. It's going to start with if it's Patrick. But their offensive line is very not good. You know for all the complaints and worries about the giants offensive line. The Dolphins are worse. They have easily the worst pass block win rate per. ESPN in the NFL. They're only holding up for two and a half seconds on just over forty percent of their dropbox. This is one game where the giants should be able to get pressure with their the front four and if they can do that that will take a ton of pressure off of their secondary if they can leave seven in coverage and either force fitzpatrick to make mistake or throw the ball away or anything like that. That is what they should be trying to do. The big key here. What you pointed out was how bad their offensive line is now? It's a young group. There's a lot of young players on then offensive line some of which they're still developing some of which are probably lost causes after trading Laremy Tunsil. They haven't had very good protection from that offensive line from whoever was starting. Whether Josh Rosen or Ryan Fitzpatrick so when you have a lot of young players on an offensive line that are struggling. That means you confuse the hell out of them. And that helps you create pressure so showing varying blitz looks and also pulling away pulling out instead of actually blitzing sending from opposite gaps. Just is putting out. A lot of looks require too much communication. Because they don't really have a veteran out there that can stabilize an incorrect and fix that communication that easily. There's a reason why opposing teams are creating so much pressure against them is because the communication for them has been so poor and that they can't really fix any issues when there is pressure coming so doing what James Becher does best which is dialing a pressure creating problems roms for opposing off. Its of lines which has worked a little bit more over the past few weeks with Marcus. Golden and Lorenzo Carter that being said from the defensive game plan that is going to be it from us. Thank you for tuning in as always be sure to subscribe rate and review wherever you're listening to us and also be sure to follow us on social media at Big Blue View. Also Chris and I can call me at Joe. Delia own spoke d. e. l. e. Owen. Also follow follow Chris at Raptor M. K.. I be sure to reach out to us on social media. If you ever have any questions or thoughts that you want to ask us about tell us about anything feel free to reach out to us. 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