17 Burst results for "Christian Horner"
"christian horner" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"The videotaping, if you will. A meeting of the principals, when Tara wolf had a bit of a blow up at the other team principles about them all playing games and, you know, he is the only one taking it seriously to safety, even though obviously he has the most benefit from his car. It's complicated issue admittedly. And then Christian Horner had a crack at him saying he's just doing it for the cameras and they got into an argument and maybe he was just doing from the cameras because then after that he ordered pumpernickel bread that no one understood why. It was all very enjoyable for the cameras, but there's clearly a lot of angst here. And I think that's really interesting. I think we talked a little bit about last week, but there's the drivers with one position, something with other positions, same principles as other positions, the FI have the safety thing, Formula One hasn't really said what they think yet, but they'll have to wait at some point if the rules are going to be changed. What can they do? Well, they can limit. This is what the FIA saying. They measured the bouncing this week, and they're going to decide how much bouncing is appropriate. And G level to GeForce terms. Okay. Because apparently some of the bouncing was surprisingly high G force, like really quite which is why there was this idea of micro captions, whatever. The frequency of the bouncing, and the idea is that they'll set a limit. The maximum amount of bouncing. And then you have to make your car safe by being under that limit. But and as to be fair, the Christian Horner often he's being difficult. I think it's for the same. But he did raise a good point. I think some other team principals did as well. It's like, well, you might say your car up for the safe or whatever. It doesn't bounce. But then if the wind blows in the different directions, suddenly you're generating different amount of down force, the car will be bouncing differently. Or it rains in the suspension settings are no longer appropriate, or it was riding, and it's not anymore, or whatever. It is pretty complicated. So to be fair to them, I think they've also got a point in saying that because I think nearby is stepping in and doing the right thing. I think this is an issue as much as yes, you can also argue, well, just raise the ride height, there'll be no problem. It's not how it works. Even the drivers have come out and said, if the engineers say you can raise their eye how to go faster they'll also go faster, even though they know it's bad for them. Yes. So someone needs to step in and that's the FIA's job. And I fully support that. But it is a complicated one to do properly, I guess. Yeah, exactly. If we can't trust private enterprise with our electricity, how can we trust how can we trust liberal library again? Yeah, this is a case that's far beyond, I think, the scope of any of these people. You just need one sort of rule maker to just go, well, now this is clearly all sorted out civilly. Within therefore, have to give you the medicine in terms of what we need. Because can you imagine, you mentioned, say, imagine if you exhumed, oh, that's already happened. If you brought back to life, I don't know. What's the driver's diet of natural causes? So it's not a lot. Just someone who died of old fulfilling age, and showed them Formula One in the year 2022. Yes. And yes, they would be, that would be standard. It's like, well, the production values have lifted considerably. Since you know. Since pith made in the little rooster in watermark on the top right. And you just go, okay, so there's this. What's this Paul physics? Cars are bouncing around. Back in our day, we didn't have seat belts. It would be fun out of the vehicle. We wanted to. And then you then go, ah, but also we've decided to put a rule in terms of how many times your car can bounce. And the level of bouncing can take. And if you exceed that limit, then probably therefore disqualified. So imagine if you then go to the store and I like how bounced two G's over ten times in the race. So therefore car's illegal. Crooked crooked fixed rice. Just throw them out. Ben, whoever's banned Ferrari for ten 20 years for illegally poor per se. It's just crazy. That's not a way to deal with it. It's clearly an issue where it's just very uncomfortable and bizarrely something that never got accounted for. And this is why it's almost like, well, you need a band aid fixed for now, but we need to look at a solution for 2023 where this just doesn't call again. Capped bouncing 3%. Which is the way to do it. Save your back. 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"christian horner" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"By the way, ever can't be watching it or listening to it if you want to follow that coverage online. I'm sure lots of people listening know about our live section, we've done it for years, but it's got a legendary, but depending on who's staffing it each weekend depends on the vibe that you get if JBL is doing it a bit fantastic. He's on it for the race, so yeah, don't worry that there will be the fun will be there. I always recommend you check it out. What's the feeling amongst you and your colleagues that were doing that live coverage today for us? Is that Mercedes pay real or are they benefiting because maybe they're a little more dialed in on an early track? What do you think? I think the pace is definitely there. But I do also think there's plenty more to come from the likes Ferrari and Red Bull. Obviously we saw in FP two color science had a pretty costly crash fairly early into the session and that's one car down in terms of Ferraris, FP two practice running, which is ever so vital when it comes to the rest of the weekend, given its roughly the representative conditions of what they should fit face, sorry in the qualifying them in the race. And equally, max Stafford basically was a bystander in FP two with his chains of gearbox in time for FP two he missed the start of that, but then as he got out on track, basically did an out lap. And they are blaming a hydraulics issue with the rear of the car, which briefly set the rear of the car on fire for Verstappen. And he couldn't steer, which was quite not ideal situation to be in. But yeah, he didn't even set a lap time, so he effectively missed the session. Christian Horner said, yeah, at the end of the day, he's done about 5 times lapse. Now they were on the pace with those time. That's but they are still behind the curve. Thankfully, obviously, for Red Bull air Perry, who had a full day, but did have a couple of spins himself, and then obviously in Ferrari leclerc had a full day of running. So they've got data to run on compared to compared to having nothing. But I would say I would be confident to predict a three way fight between Ferrari Mercedes and Red Bull this weekend, just given the factors that the all three teams are currently facing. Looking back at my notebook right now, the difference in time between the two sessions. So leclerc topped FP one on a one 31 O 9 8. And yeah, there was quite a big time difference actually, a one 29 9 for George Russell. And Verstappen was third in FP one. He did put in a one 31.2. And so he was quick, but yeah, as you say, one one lap in after having that gearbox changed that precautionary gearbox change. I wonder if that's going to frustrate the team because they didn't need to. He had that brush with the wall in the first practice session and they didn't want to end up sitting out the session and missing out on a load of laps, so they ended up doing a precautionary gearbox change, one of 6 gearboxes the teams get to use in 2022 before they face any penalties. And of course he did benefit from that 12 minute stoppage after science hit the hit the wall. And so they kind of lucked in there. Again, a little bit lucky that it was so disrupted, but on the other hand, you at least want your other car and in Red Bull's case, it was Jekyll's car and in Ferrari's case it was leclerc's car. You want the other car to get a ton of running in and get that data, which again nobody really really did. So max definitely on the back foot going into FP three tomorrow morning, so yes, we are back to not being a sprint race weekend. We're back to the normal. The normal format. He seemed incredibly frustrated, but that entirely understandable. In terms of Mercedes last word on them, George Russell, and what's your feeling on how the drivers have been approaching have you seen any of the driver quotes pre or post today's action? Because my impression and correct me if I'm wrong is that George has managed to kind of keep his head up a little more whereas Lewis, someone who's been fighting for world championships forever. Seems to the ultimate in having such a strong mental game, like all top sports people are. He seemed to be more pessimistic in terms of how quickly they could fix things. George, the Newbie and the team. Now the bright kind of fresh face. He seemed, what was your reading of how those two drivers in Mercedes are attacking this weekend? Yeah, I would definitely say it's a combination of that sort of mentality that's been talked a lot about and also just their general situation coming into it. And sorry on top of that, Brussels are very, very good driver. I feel like that factor is somewhat being underplayed. Yes, he hasn't obviously this is what is fourth or 5th race as a Mercedes driver full time after replacing Bottas, but yeah, he was always basically dubbed a world champion of the future. So talent levels are certainly there. Around disputed, but you're right, the mentality, the approach to it, generally the car feels like it's more in Russell sort of operating window at the moment, that's not to say Hamilton can't get on top of it and then maybe sort of his being a bit more bogged down by the problems he's had. But yes, Russell is definitely on the front foot still if you were to compare to the teammates and we can see that in the timings just in two practice sessions we've had here. But I would sort of write Lewis Hamilton off at your own peril. We've seen that many times before. And I do think it is a case of him also finding that sort of set up sweet spot. It was quite a poignant thing that was made at the end of the M and a race with total war for apologizing to Hamilton about the car, but almost conveniently forgetting that his other driver Russell finished fourth in the same race. Now yeah, I do believe that if they're both fine to sweet spot with Mercedes, then they will be much much closer and that's sort of coming to truth in Miami a little bit. But we've got a long way to go. So I would say it's a lot of small reasons. Russell's currently got the edge, but there's no reason why they can't be sort of fighting toad's toe as the season goes on. And Miami's Miami looks a little bit of an art outlet at the moment. So this could throw up some unexpected results anyway..
"christian horner" Discussed on Analog(ue)
"Mike I've got great news. I'm really confident at this time. It really is. I'm really sure, though. I'm like super duper short for realsies. The next season of drives to survive is starting, what did we say, March 11? Is that right? I don't even know the date. How can you March 11? Make such a big thing out of this and then not know the date. I actually written there in the document. It says 11 March. So your bad cop this episode, I see how it is. Fair. So yeah, so drive to survive if you're new here. It's the Netflix documentary show that covers the prior season of Formula One and this prior season was a doozy. It was a great season. I don't know if we spoken about us or not. I don't remember, but did you know that max is not participating in at all in charge to survive this year? Oh, I think you did mention that and I had completely forgotten about that. That's right. Oh, that's going to be kind of crummy. He said, the previous season has made him out to look like a villain. And he does come across as a villain. So if he feels like he's being misrepresented, then maybe I would understand why he didn't want to be in it. I mean, look, a long time listeners to show them that I have no love for max for snapping anyway. So I don't think there's going to be any real particular thing. There is something funny to me that far as I can tell, he's the only person that has said this, which is, I don't know, that's just funny to me. Everyone else is fine with it. But he says that all they make me like a villain. What makes you the odd one out there maybe? I don't know. I don't know. Or at least in the chat. Maybe he shouldn't be a villain. That's exactly what I was going to say. Molly's can get away with it, right? So Molly's can say it because Mario is from the Netherlands, so if Molly says it's true. Yeah, see, if you don't want to sound or be portrayed as a jerk, here's a novel idea of max. Maybe don't be a jerk. Maybe that's the first step. I have no doubt. This is like any kind of documentary thing or whatever. Your words will be taken out of context. Absolutely. That is just how these things go. That's what your participation. But there is it is a shame I will say because he was the world champion. Like not so much because obviously I would love to hear his side rather than just Christian Horner talking about it, right? Like when the talk because obviously there's going to be a lot of stuff about him and Louis, right? There's some clips in the trailer that seem to indicate Lewis talking about a bit of rivalry kind of thing. Who knows what that's from or when that was done or whatever, right? What point in the season that was said? But he is the world champion, and I think it's a shame that we're not going to get any kind of one on one interview with him about his thoughts on the season. I actually think that that is a shame. I agree wholeheartedly. Whether you Mike or you collective people or you listener are happy or sad about the result of the season, I still think it was a season for the ages. Now, admittedly, I've only been following for a couple of years. But from everything I've understood, it was a really tremendous season. Well, you know, people in the sport called it the best season the whole time. Exactly. So I mean, I feel like, yes, the ending, I don't want to re litigate that. But the ending was crummy, no matter how you slice it. How much I want to relive any of it, but we'll see. That's fair. But yeah, I don't know. Didn't Mercedes wasn't Mercedes too cool for school for like the first season of tried to survive, Mercedes and Ferrari. Yeah, yeah, and then they all came crawling. It made sense, though. Because it was like they don't need that and they didn't know what it was going to be. And then it seemed to be good for the sports where everyone got on board. That made sense to me. I had no issue with that in the beginning. The two established well-known players. They have everyone has their own story to tell. And if you're Mercedes, your Ferrari, you don't need anyone to tell your story. You can do a good enough job on your own. But I understand that then it's like, oh no wait, this is good for the entire sport will all be involved in this, and now they are. I'm so, so excited for the start of the season. I can not wait, man. Can not wait. Yeah, I'm very excited for the start of the F one season. And I'm excited to see this recap. I am not excited for Christian Horner, who is a man that loves the sound of his own voice more than any man who has ever lived except maybe Trump. Christian Horner loves Christian Horner. And you know, since I can't talk to max, Christian will operate as max's proxy in, oh God, I'm just not looking forward to that at all. Yeah, well, this is what it's going to be. They got my favorite thing of the entire season though when toto smash the headset. That's in the trailer. It looks like they've got some.
"christian horner" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"And whether or not it's right necessarily for team principles, understand the needs to be communications between the right director and the tapes. Absolutely get that. But there should be a designated person and I don't think it should be the same principle because as we transited through Singapore air force and I walked past a group of people and all I heard was no Michael no. Oh my God. It was no, that is so not right. It's just, you know, I once it's that part is hilarious and happy to have that kind of content in Singapore of all places. But it sort of just doesn't really make it fair. And we know and look even on the extreme a podcast we've spoken to Scott Hawkins in the past who is a deputy race director and was a deputy race director for that Formula One event. We found out a couple of days ago as well, not that we've had a chance to speak to him about it nor probably will we. But it's just an interesting insight, isn't it? Because I think that there's a lot going on for Michael massee. And in that moment, being shouted at by toto wolf isn't necessarily the best thing for him is it? Yeah, I think we can't guess what's going to appear in the recommendations of the report or whatever the report is going to find. We can't preempt the reports findings. I think it's fair to say the FIA will find when anybody investigates itself. Dare I say it is not too cynical to say that they will find that they were mitigating circumstances. If in fact, things were done incorrectly if that's the first point, it's fancy that. And I think one of them will be that the race director has been put under too much pressure by the teams. This is let's not forget Michael Massey still relatively new to the job. I don't think that's an excuse for any kind of behavior. Again, not preempting the report. Still relatively new to the job that really evolved with the man who held it in the past, Charlie Whiting. I thought it was, I thought it was a little bit gross to be totally honest with you the way Christian Horner invoked Charlie white in Saudi Arabia saying the sport misty my aunt, I can understand where he's coming from from heart, I guess, but I think he was really weaponizing that no way that I found kind of uncomfortable. But in that situation, Charlie riding had an authority that I don't think anyone would ever have again in Formula One, because the rule book evolved with him in many senses, he was formed a lot, he was almost the spirit of Formula One. Michael Massey is not that. No one ever will be with a Michael Massey sticks around for longer. He's never going to become that over time. It's just not going to happen. But so as a result, when we have what is, let's not forget the tensors championship we've had arguably ever. Certainly in decades, the pressure being applied by both teams was immense. Him having to deal not only with that with these team principles shouting at him constantly through the race. Combine that with the fact that it was a safety in the end of the Grand Prix we can't forget that the only reason he was a safety car was because there was a safety incident to be responded to. That is primary obligation. All of those stimuli combined with the fact that within 5 laps is going to be a champion decided. It's incredible pressure. You know, that is, that can not be for all the people who will be out there asking for Michael message hit all those kinds of things. There are arguments to be made for it. I completely admit that. But that is, that is a pretty substantial mitigating circumstance. The fact that he was arguably the only two people under more pressure than him with Max Verstappen under his Hamilton that point of the race, I would be inclined to argue. That should probably that will probably be a finding in his report. But then subsequent to that and this is what I think we both want answers to and everyone does is that how did the race director come to conclude that the way the safety car restart was undertaken? Was in line with the rules. I don't really buy the stewards conclusions after the race. I don't think very many people do seem like a pretty ambitious reading of that article. But that is what has to come out of it. Why was that decision made and was it acceptable that it was? It was very interesting listening back to all of the team radios and I did this yesterday with a bit of time that we had. And listening to all of the reactions, of course, Daniel kado being at the very front of the queue of the drivers that weren't allowed to unlap themselves and of course there was Lance stroll in between Carlos Sainz and the ability to obviously get his third position which he did anyway listening to his radio was very interesting because he was like, what's going on? Like literally through the team also had no idea. This was the thing. The safety car will be in this lap, cars will not be unlike themselves, and then suddenly, on Ocasio we unlocking themselves, but only the 5 between Lewis and max. And I think the way that it all transpired so quickly, it just felt like and again, this is the thing if I is here for safety and that's it. It just felt like there was an element of the entertainment side of Formula One in which liberty has done an incredible job in the last couple of years of building that up. Really just into the thought process, it seems of Michael Messi in that moment with everything else for him to say this is what's going to happen..
"christian horner" Discussed on Strong Opinion Sports
"This moment, and I can't speak for Mercedes fans. I would imagine Mercedes fans felt the same way. Whether you were whether your heart jumped 'cause you were happy or because you were furious and angry. Don't tell me you didn't watch the end of the Formula One season. That final lap and felt moved emotionally in one direction. Oh, my goodness, dude. I have not felt my heart was pounding. I was tingling. I was like, literally just like, this is amazing. What's happening? I think a lot of it was because of my it's a roller coaster Russians. You watch max, he didn't have the pace to be Lewis, and I saw a great I can't remember who the guy's name is. He makes these funny memes. Impersonates Christian Horner. And he said, well, we didn't have the pace or the basically like nothing worked in favor for Red Bull and they still won. I'm picturing there's some guy look up ESPN F one on Instagram. They repost a guy who does like F one impressions and he is amazing. Let me look at it. I want to find his name because he is fantastic. I don't really care. I'll cut this out at what I'm looking, but I want to find this. This happened. Louis..
"christian horner" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"We'll thank you. Mark. Who'd have thought the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix might be interesting and worthwhile talking about? That is the most impressive thing in 2021. The way kids started so innocently went from changes here. Here's a nice graph to illustrate the radius corners, which was great because I've always connoisseur of the F one 20 21 franchise. Never enjoyed the Mickey Mouse chicanes of Abu Dhabi. It was almost I would design for a different time when the cars were a lot more quad gargantuan. In size and proportions, the truck changes were pretty good. I mean, it wasn't, didn't generate, I guess this thrilling ricing that we expected. No, the result we got was different. Well, yes. That was a different very different rate. Especially if you've been I feel like you used to ride it was again the big winner of the everyday world for China because fourth in I mean he's had such a mixed bag of season. I think for the next, let's start with the very first rise for you. Yeah, so some people benefited I think from the changes. Yes, Christian Horner accused Karen chandrak of making it a Mercedes track, which is actually doing it for Yuki. How did we know? That's the controversy. It's under the radar. I wouldn't be surprised if someone's protesting that result after these rights. Exactly. Very strong result from Mickey sonoda. And good on it. You know what bloody good on it, if he's going to stick around for at least another year in Alfa tauri deserves the fourth place. Very nearly a party of I know, look, we will talk about other things, but he was only like, I wish I had the results in front of me. Like, less than a second away from a podium. We're going to have the cenote. And it is like being at a party and something bad is like someone is vomited all over the wall or something. And I'm describing what happened to this. No, no, that didn't happen. But if a college stand there and go. Yeah, I'm happy with it. Yeah, okay, but I'm not the story you want to talk to. Talk about today. Even worse, I think judging by the transcript I was not in the press conference, but that it was just max and science. I don't think Louis was in there. I don't think he made it there. Or he was just asked to know questions for some reason, but Carlos was in the post race. Yeah, yeah, okay. So I think he was going on. Yeah, I think he had reasons to be upset. But I like that he had to turn up and let people didn't ask him questions with max just there and he, you know. Very great first year for everybody by the way. I think that's the other underrated story. Well, I mean, he finished ahead of Charles the click on points. Shouldn't be on the list? He did. He finished fourth in the standings. I think he's good like that, Carlos. It's very steady to the hand. He'd fit. This Ferrari, again, in various wash ups of tame reviews, which will save a later on in future editions. Yeah, very strange for Ferrari. It wasn't as a title connection that I had last year. I don't know, it's kind of like, I don't know what they're doing. The 2022 car better be bloody good because it's been a strange thing. You said that supper was so far ahead of lobster all in the SMS and that one caught me. I wouldn't pick that, but there we go. Well, good for Carlos in that case. So that's your PD. You flew onto the right off. Yeah, exactly. Well, not on this show. The talks all the big issues give us a call. What else is going to have the whole types of what happens? Let's talk about other things. We'll do the cool take things. I also have to do this right. I don't know. I'm sure Nick was the same thing. He decides to look for staff at world champion first time, very good for him. And not as good for the result obviously. Unfortunate result of Lewis. He did not win. It was very close. He dominated the race. I would say, in fact, he was the world champion for 56. You have people say that Felipe Massa was to world champion for one lap or half a life whatever. Lewis Hamilton was a world champion with 57 and 58 laps. And then was it not after that for the candidate? In fact, yes, although the live ladder for half a lap, the womb showed that he was ahead and all of a sudden he said something racist and the audience turned out he didn't do that. But you understand off of him. He said something about taxes. He's going to raise taxes to pay for a bridge and then all of a sudden everyone voted for Max Verstappen. He was the winner of the championship. That's how I assume things working for me to one. And it was, I mean, it was in many respects the ending that the season, not necessarily, but certainly warranted, which is a scene in the deserves. So there's no point saying a second word. But after the year we had, they couldn't be as straightforward ending this season. No, it was. We protested by saying who knows what's going to happen by the time we next catch up and record?.
"christian horner" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"I think it was kind of a, let's just send it and see. But I can't decide. I think the thing that was, I guess, a bit of a confusion was the fact that how to then took off over the runoff area. And seems just zoom off down into the distance, which obviously the FIA then told him to give up, but Red Bull didn't think that was enough. So they were very, very adamant that he should be penalized for gaining a massive advantage by going off track. As we've come to expect with max this season as we've seen very aggressive very much that I'm going for this place. Lewis did have to be a back out to avoid the collision. The reaction from I thought that was very interesting from lots of racing drivers on Twitter especially was why isn't there gravel there? Why do you put gravel on the outside of the corner? Why isn't that a thing? Because otherwise then Hamilton can't just sort of take the run of her and cut as he did and all of that. Yeah, I agree Jess. It was very, very bold line. I thought it was very, very aggressive by max. The ultimately, he did make the corner with his left front wheel was just inside the white line still, but on the right hand side of the car, that was beyond the white line, but one in is that's fine. And it was like, yeah, it was bold, really, really bold, but exciting as well, and that's what we've come to expect from max this season. I think that, yeah, Hamilton, yeah, he look, he took the evasive action, but I think it was very, very similar to what we saw in what we saw in Jeddah when Verstappen did sort of basically send it and really really force him the point and in that instance max was told to give up the position he had to do that for the red flag restarts. So I think there are some similarities there. Yeah, but it was one hell of a movie. In the moment he hit he hit the brakes and you saw that he was pointing down the inside, I thought, oh no, don't end it like this, like what what's going to happen here? And in the end, it was actually, yeah, incredible that he got his stops in time. He thought he was ahead a really bold move by max as we've come to expect all season. Yeah, very, very borderline. I think we were very shocked at the stewards didn't want to investigate it. Yeah, even and massi did say Sue John from Willie over the radio. They looked at it, which is kind of like a, it's not an official investigation or anything. But yeah, they looked at it and they were they were happy with war Hamilton had done and that he didn't, he gave back the time he gained by taking to the runoff area as he did, but yeah, again, it does raise questions about consistency, which is the wider issue ongoing through the season. And I think there had the race ended with Hamilton winning the championship and perhaps we'd not have that late save to call on everything. Then yeah, I think Red Bull and Christian Horner and co would have been asking some serious questions, saying, well, what is consistency? Why wasn't that true to the same way that Maxwell's India? So yeah, but then you can also argue the opposite and say that, well, Lois has to take evasive action, otherwise there would have been a crash between them. So yeah, very, very bold line. Now after that, of course, the race continued, gap started to build. We have the pet stops and then we had Lewis Hamilton coming up against cheko. That was a treat to watch in terms of racing. I mean, it was absolutely fantastic. It is what we love to see the wheel tour action. Jess, I know you were a huge fan of it. What were you of thought to me? How are you feeling as you're watching that? Because everyone I was with was like on the edge of their seat, it's literally like, oh my God, oh my God, what's going to happen? In a way, it's made me angry at checkout. And not because he held up angry because I've wanted to see that. Consistently. Like, genuinely, like, I was rude for you. Like, why did you like me to show that like the whole time? That was magic. I have never seen apart many the only the time was when he won the cigar Grand Prix. His first win. That was when we saw.
"christian horner" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"Your balls will thank you. Only two races to go in Formula One for 2021. We're getting very close now. Yes. I was excited. He's pumped. He's absolutely pumped. Probably as well because he's still in the lead. At least for now. But two years ago, one week off. This weekend, which is very exciting to have finally a bit of a break to breathe to understand what's happened in the last couple of rams, maybe catch up on the highlights, if you will. A break, and when we come back another bright quick today, we're getting through them today, aren't we? Absolutely locking them up. That makes sense sick out of there. Yeah, me. There we go. It's an action packed stuff. But let's start with Lewis Hamilton because he won this series. Yes. People don't use that so often anymore, do they? No, yeah, it's kind of gone out of fashion. Maybe like sort of like a two cool of an uncle and say, no, no, no, just call me. It's called me so Louis of bothering Tim or whatever. That's lord to get 90 attention. But I don't know. People on Twitter will just say so little tax haven. But yeah, this is well I will admit, I did catch the 7 minute and two second highlights real today. On a tram. And we'll pass outward part two. Very lush. I should have done a live stream, but no one would have a kid anyway 'cause it's just you know built. There's a couple of ducks everywhere. It's heels. People having lunch. Yep. Well, probably is a few start live streaming in Melbourne. People think that you are right. Independent journalists. Of course. Unwanted attention is crucially. But yeah, it was my point. But yeah, no. It looks okay, from what I saw. Everyone was a bit nervous that I think about the fact that this is a primarily used for moto JP kind of circuit, but it looked in the timing from what I saw. A lot of punctures. From what I could gather, but I'm telling you, just all weekend, Mercedes, again, just in classic Mercedes style, just kept their cool kept their composure in amongst sort of vexatious litigation and sort of the lack of, I guess harmony between Red Bull and Mercedes. They just kept their head heads high. And yet again, Christian Horner has come out with more and more paths. And so they're the ones looking probably nervous at this point. I'll tell you it wakes a long time in Formula One, and you know what? I think it's advantage Hamilton Mercedes here on in to tell you the truth. I think the same way. Red Bull's cooked. All right. In this stage. I'm sure we'll have a different opinion until you wakes when max wins. The Grand Prix Hamilton has a connection because probably Netflix is filming the Saturday right in Grand Prix. But yeah, I don't know. I just feel like Red Bull a little bit more nervous than perhaps I would like at this point of the season. I don't think the handling it too well. A 100% feels that way and it's just the whole it's really funny, isn't it? Because Christian Horner will talk a little bit about old mate Horner and his interactions with total later on. Boss, all he does now is go on the attack and accuse toto wolf of not handling the pressure. And, you know, I don't want to sound like I mean, primary school, but it does seem like it takes one to no one in this situation, doesn't it? Yeah, like I've said before. He's a very good leader of the opposition. You're very good at saying, oh, well, they're no good. Yes. You don't have any policies of your own, you know? Kind of not standing for anything. You just like, oh, well, that shit. I don't have a an alternative as to why we're any better. So they just kind of throwing the shit over the fence for lack of a better phrase and hoping it sticks whereas but I think it's yeah, it's not working out too well. I think what Christian Horner got to please explain about. Talking about Marshalls and the yellow flag. Incident during rules of qualifying was where the double wired yellow situation, but, you know, the flags are the primary points of communication, the stuff on the dash in the light to kind of just do it. You got to supplement the pay attention. Exactly. You can't be relying on your car's JPS to tell you what the speed limit is. Yes. And I know that and it cost me $269 once filed to update. It is a problem. You gotta look, you must always look before you change lanes, don't rely on those little lights on the mirror at sick. No, they're not good. They're no good at all. It was a difficult weekend for Red Bull that sense. And I wonder how much as well. You know, there's the pressure of the fact that Lewis Hamilton is on a great run of form at the moment. Ever since he rocked up in Brazil pretty much, he's been absolutely fired up. Total wolf called him a superhero, which was bordering on the fan fiction in my opinion, but that's, you know, he's entitled to do that. He's the boss. But it's also the fact that coming into these three weekends, because we've just ended a triple hit up with something we probably should reflect on spending a lot of racing at some pretty cool. I haven't noticed. I couldn't tell the difference. Often tell you the truth, but there we go. That's a planet rob before. There we go. But of these three races, the expectation was and grounded the cause of being very close so you don't expect so much. But the expectation was that Red Bull would be the better car or all three of them. And it was certainly true in Mexico. Far and away the best car. But in Brazil, we know that while the Mercedes car was very quick, but Hamilton smacked it out of the park, and again this weekend, Mercedes had the upper hand, but again, Hamilton was the difference because it was stopping qualified second, let's not forget a hit of Valtteri Bottas. Before the penalties of course, there has been the Mercedes has been just quick enough to enable Hamilton to, I guess capitalize on the form he's enjoying. And that's making the difference. It's not just the car as much as Christian Horner desperately wants to make it happen. It is also that Hamilton's just found himself this great place where he is able to make the difference..
"christian horner" Discussed on Box of Neutrals
"Add that to the eyelid coverage. It's not good. I can't remember what I was saying before this, but it was it was a good race. The needle if you like between the teams now, I think is what is really interesting because they were almost there guys. Tens of this race was, there was not heaps of action. It was a little bit of action enough action. And we can talk about the staff and Hamilton a little bit later on. I mean, they are fighting for the championship. But the battle now between toto wolf and Christian Horner fields like it's gotten angry this week on full nuclear. Yes, it does it really does. And I know some of it for toto wolf is actually just general rage of the world because of all the penalties Mercedes guard. He was very unhappy the stewards and scrutiny dealt with that rewind. He feels like it should have been given a chance to fix it rather than just penalized he says he's sort of the way it should have been done, and that's up for debate, I guess, but I think it's also there's got to be this degree of Christian horn and now turning up to every rights and pretty much just accusing toto wolf of cheating every week. Which is not, you know, it's not that it's not good. No, Christian Horner is just enjoying despite the fact if we used political power on here. I guess the team in charge at the front of the queue. They have all the seats in the House at the moment to make orders, but exactly like an opposition leader. All these people is preparing whatever anything Toto Wolff says. Yeah, that's just take a life out of the right and don't worry about it. Just get on with it. Yeah, and I think I read a piece somewhere where total wolf literally just sort of went to the policy is at the window between all the other. I think that went out a long time ago, so I feel like he's a little bit you know Jim Wiley with the very not line news. All right, well, because I feel like that happened months ago. Any deployment is going out the window in Formula One. But quite frankly, so why we like it. Just project pit lane was grice and old, but I've already forgotten about that. A lot of other countries have forgotten about that. Maybe the variation that we raced on over the weekend was kind of forgotten about. So it's a Formula One of arguing of ald, which is, which is what we want to see because this is building up to be one of the great crescendo to world championship season. And it's exactly what we want. So if deployment sees the victim in all this Bondi mate. It's okay. No one likes to diplomacy anyway. I am really interested to see where this is going to end up because I do like to come back to Christian Horner. He's been saying this for a while. In fact, almost all season he's been implying. Never using the word cheating, but implying that Mercedes is breaking the rules. And in fact, they were reportedly at the steward's office or Scrooge engineering earlier in the weekend. I wouldn't pee on you if your teeth were on fire. Oh, that was a bit much. What's going on there?.
"christian horner" Discussed on The Autosport Podcast
"Next I want to talk about the Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen incident that we have alluded to a little bit already. When Lewis Hamilton went to overtake Max Verstappen, but both drivers ended up going widen off the track and of course straight away we heard the radio between Bono and Lewis, when I was saying, you know, it's under investigation, even though at that point, it wasn't under investigation. It had just been noted. And Louis saying that it was crazy in reference to what happened. Then we had the wonderful FIA radio of the teams, obviously jumping on. You know, I love it. It is the best. It is the best dramatic edition to the race weekends. We had the rather sassy Michael Massey in response. Sassy Massey hotline. It is, I live for it. Do you know what? I don't think you could pay me to have Michael nasty's job. Because if that's what you have to handle all day every day, I just, I can totally understand why he's completely deadpan. When he's ready to find that's pretty full on. Just like, wow. FIA radiation is great, honestly, it's such great addition. But ultimately, the shoe is deemed that it did not require an investigation. We then heard the radio afterwards of Lewis Hamilton sort of, you know, saying, yeah, of course. Of course, that's the outcome. There's been lots of talk about it. And to be honest, the general consensus that I've seen and heard is that people are quite surprised that it at least wasn't investigated, let alone a penalty. But what do you guys make of it? I also know that we obviously didn't get shown the footage during the race of max's on board, which is quite crucial, but what do you guys make of that situation where do you stand on this just you go first? It's an interesting one, isn't it? And before I jumped on to record with you guys, I was doing motor sport dot coms, Instagram Live with John noble. And we obviously discussed this live with the fans that joined us on that live stream. And John made a really, really good point. So I'm not going to, I'm not going to take the credit here. But I do agree with this point. Is that what we need? Regardless of whether that was a penalty or not, we are initial thoughts and feelings towards it. What we do need is consistency. Because it does seem that everybody was kind of bringing up Lando Norris and Sergio Pérez's penalty in Austria. That was penalized. This one wasn't. And there seems to be a lack of consistency or a lack of understanding actually what constitutes penalty. I was shocked that it wasn't investigated. Shocked, because even if they came to the final decision of no penalty, carry on. I would have at least expected them to have taken a look at it. The fact that they didn't, well, in theory, in Luke, maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong. In theory, they wouldn't have even looked at replay while it would have taken a look at replay to make the first when they note it. But you know, they wouldn't have looked into it. So they would have just looked at ngon no, that's not. Not investigation worthy. So that shocked me. I thought it was interesting that Mercedes obviously would have appealed to say, well, you ran, you want to run our driver off off the road. And then you gained a lasting advantage by running off the road yourself and that meant that you kept P one. Christian Horner seemed to think that that wasn't a lasting advantage, which I found quite interesting. Because I would say keeping P one and a race is a lasting advantage. Obviously, it didn't end up that way in the end. Regardless of the steward's decision, but yeah, I think it was it was an interesting one. And it comes down to the whole, what does it mean to let them race? Because if we are just going to let people race, great, but you didn't let Sergio and Lando race. You said that that was penalty worthy. So I think there is again and I think this is something that's just never ever going to go away is the system that we currently have in place to give out penalties as it correct. Is it what we need? Is it reliable enough that, I mean, fans are never going to be satisfied, are they? Let's be honest, right? Never, ever. But yeah, I think for me, that was, you know, when John ray's that point, I was like, no, this is that's true. I think that's what's smacking hard is that we just don't know if we're coming or going. So, yeah, I think that's what kind of needs to be needs to be understood. I interested to know what Luke thinks. Yeah, putting my fan hat on instead of the journalists providing you with nothing but facts and not having an opinion. No, I think that the I agree, I was quite surprised it wasn't probably looked at. And I think that has it been hard Luis. Ran wide and past max off track and gains lasting advantage. That would have been investigated and yeah obviously you can't pass another driver off track. So should you be able to defend a driver off track as well if that makes sense. So it was, yeah, I think that I think it was surprising and yeah, okay, we do want to let them race and whatever. But the fact is we don't have those rules in place at the moment. We do have very set rules in terms of like, can you pass drivers off track and whatever and precedent such as with Kimi and Lance so in Austin, for example, that Fernando kicked up such a fuss about rightly so because he was annoyed that he'd lost the plates. I think that what we need is, yeah, so black and white. Okay, do we have this rule book where it is like this is what you can do make it very clear..
"christian horner" Discussed on Sports? with Katie Nolan
"Lose since imagine if they told basketball players they couldn't wear compression gear underneath their uniforms and be weird. You'd be like what are you. Who cares why does it matter to you. I remember when i was running. I ran cross country for one year and the coach claimed that. I wasn't allowed to wear like i'd have a cutoff shirt. Underneath the crappy cost countries that you had to wear and he was like you're not allowed to wear underneath. I'm like says the judges first of all. I'm not gonna be finishing at any of those spots that they're going to be concerned about anything that i broke because they're not worried about light. Don't worry about it. Nobody's watching t. Shirt into the pool. Folks got cut off. But he's like. I can see the color underneath and it's not our team. It's inside out they're gonna be okay. Yeah did you get kicked out. I always wore because what. I wasn't like finish winning. Where they're like. Oh broke a rule there like he didn't die. Imagine if you want and then they took it away from you. But i know pointed. I ever imagine if i was going to win across country. That's fair. I guess i feel like there is more. I got all these bookmarks when we decided we were going to do it. Thursday podcast tuesday pockets and a thursday. I got all these bookmarks. But i do have a reason for you to watch Oh let's hear it. Oh this is the biggest story of the podcast. This is what i was saying. Was the big reveal so the red bowl way before you reveal it. I found the other thing i wanted to talk about. There's a i saw screen-grabbed on the internet from a baseball game. Wish i could tell you which baseball game it was. It looks like it's the white sox. But i don't know who they're playing. Where the jumbotron shows. Congratulations brendan and nick on your divorce. And i just wanna say that is what. This pod advocate lower ballpark divorce. Celebrations are much cooler than ballpark engagements. I wanna see you celebrate walking away from something. That wasn't right for you. More than i want to see you making a mistake in front of all of my question is did one of those people as a friend messing with his buddy. Yeah was it like a joint thing where they're like. Hey we just got divorced but this would be funny if we throw it up buddy rag in his friend leg about the divorce took to game and had it on the jumbotron. I don't i really mutual thing among those. You've only be a joke. Could easily be trolling hoping that brown. Nick were a happily married gay. Couple that became unhappily married. Decided that i dunno brendan met somebody at work and while that person is also in a relationship. It sort of made brendan realize what he was missing from. Nick and nick at the same time was starting to want to change careers and so neck was like look. I have to move to houston and brendan was like that. I'm not moving to houston my life. Goals don't align with yours anymore and then in a nikolic. Why don't we just call it. We had a lovely nine years together. We have jaden our son and we can still and then they split up and then they were like you know what you love. More than anything the white sox. Let's go to one last white sox game and let the world now that We're happy to be apart. And you know it's gonna be awesome as when jaden ends up playing for the white sox holding comes full circle guys. This is why we love. It's this is the stuff this is. Why for its people. It's about people in relationships. Just stop asking a woman to enter into a long-term one with you in front of an entire state. You tried to do the nine nine. Nine at that game would have the winner. The winner gets to keep the dog that you're dressing. Whatever jaden whenever i named him. I think that's wait now. You can do your big story so red bull team. Principal christian horner is married to none other than ginger spice now way yup one of our red. It listeners posted. They've been married for six years. Well i was wondering she was she got out right before. Spice girls imploded. She got out she had. She was married before i liked. Jerry was she. Is she problematic. I haven't looked into jerry in a while. But i assume some she had some comments on feminism and stuff jerry jerry. No spicer f one okay. So that's is this you trying to sell me on f one it is. Look i think the thing about the college well. I guess the thing about college sports. That bugs me i think is what mostly one is. But at least everybody's getting paid but here's on the upside with College football. I know much more so i think our discussions will be a little better on the microscope saying macro anything that just basically the entire story line is money. Moving around. can't usually keep me for that long. Because i find it. I find money. There'd be boring. I'm a bad person. I you know. I like stories about divorces and gay couples that were married for them for the team. Exactly that's what i'm here for. I'm here for interpersonal. I can't financial. I don't understand it. I don't it i know it's important. I'm grateful and i'm and i'm and i avoid. It's enough for me. I can't be entertained by it. Is that a podcast. We have another voicemail. We do we have. I mean we could on voicemail podcast. We'll do that next week. When i don't book a guest i mean it's like my new joy i love this. Do you wanna play one more than sure..
"christian horner" Discussed on F1: Beyond The Grid
"It was fantastic to hear from christine. Wasn't it he pulls no punches. And he leaves us in no doubt about his in the team's motivation even with the change in regulations coming in two thousand and twenty two. He wants to win this year and next year. And why not as. That's the job of a front running formula one team. It's inspiring stuff and the conversation was littered with fascinating insights. The fact that adrian newey is motivated now as ever. He has been the soft landing that the team is going to get with honda next year while they continue to set up red bull powertrains even the prospect of a ripple powered road car for the future and i loved cristina's description of max chapman as a no bullshit racin and go on then come up with some ideas. F red bull win the world championship this year. Walk should i do and for reference. The only thing. I'm not good at a heights krisztian. Many thanks for your time. It was great to chat and good luck for the remainder of the scene. And before we move on please send in any stories or thoughts that you have on christian. We didn't do this after first appeared on the show three years ago. So don't hold back. Did you see him race in formula renault formula. Three or formula three thousand. Have you bumped into him anywhere since. Let me know and remember a read out the best ones next week. So send them to me at tom. Clarkson f one for use the hashtag f one b on the grid which brings me onto what you sent in about. jack lafitte. after last week's show like so many of the sport's golden all these. There's a lot of love for shack out there. He was a brilliant character and a very fast racing driver. Death i've been. I've got in touch with this message. Such an exciting f. One beyond the podcast with jack. He says as a ninety eight. It's wonderful to hear anecdotes from the earlier. Decades of formula one. I love mentioning kimmy. As is contemporary on the curren greet i can easily imagine kimmy rocking. Pj's in the paddock. Had well thanks for getting in touch. Yes chemi the pj's but so could lewis. In fact louis at most races does ludovic had this to say a great chat again. This guy was driving and survived in one of the most interesting errors of former one. He had a ton of fun and remains competitive and fast till the end of his career. What more can you ask for from life. And he still shop at seventy seven yes to all of the above ludovic jack was a great asset the sport then and he remains one today. I'm what about this from graham great interview. Jackie says one of f one's true characters his winning the first two races of nineteen seventy-nine in the beautiful dj jess eleven s teams ran the ground at responses to the lower seventy nine for the first time is a strong memory from my days of being an f. One of sess kate. While wasn't the league eleven one of the most beautiful cars ever seen in formula one. I loved it and it was driven by one of the coolest drivers in sports history as well wasn't it. I'm well end with this from master. Besides being a great driver often overlooked. Jack's montreal eighty-one masterpiece must be more recognized when we debate the greatest performance in wet conditions. Maybe his commitment wasn't enough. Yes but it's more relaxed. Approach was part of the character the f. one well thanks for the moat master and yes. Montreal eighty-one was a brilliant win by jack and from tenth on the grid as well it was great stuff. Well we'll have to leave it there. I'm sorry if i haven't read out your message. Thank you to everyone who sent them in. And i've read them. And i love him. Well that's it for another week. I hope you enjoyed hearing from christian and remember to send in your thoughts and stories on him as ever next week with another great guests from the world of formula one soc- beyond the produced by one in association with audio taping until next time. Keep it.
"christian horner" Discussed on F1: Beyond The Grid
"Mates now and it's amazing. What time and perspective gives. But when you're in the heat of the moment and the competing. And i got so much at stake. You can understand how you end up in the position where there was no way. Sebastian was going to sit behind. And just follow his teammate. Hub turkey two thousand ten rolling them off now drive a number three. We're getting to number three turkey. Twenty ten the door white. Aw come together. that's going out. What was going on that. They've never seen such emotional reaction to from serbia. Pulled out likewise kristian horner. I wanted to ask you about that. From a management point of view. You're only five years into the gig and we just thought it. I just started winning accessible monaco to exit. If it gets race you can win. How hard was that for you. It was tough but it's all part of experience. And i think that we were on a roll. We will winning. Yeah i think you look back at it again. Circumstances sebastian you know with hindsight was too greedy and trying to move mark over too quickly got. He'd made the past. He didn't need to them bullying him on the other side of the circuit. So you know and you can't play mark for not yielding that point in time but it put pressure on the team that really followed through all the way to that twenty twelve discussion. That we've just had these moment. Shall we call them or incidents. Between vattel and weber. They one of the reasons you pushed so hard to introduce young guys from the program. I think it's always been a philosophy of rebel is to bring a young talent. Not just with drivers. You know me. I wouldn't have had the chance if dietrich honor said your chance. Out of what was formerly three thousand. That would it be formula two and so and i think the young driver program has been a huge successes port more drivers into formula one than any program and is harsh but delivers and quite a few drive as their careers to rebel. Giving them the chance. Sorry driving three driver. Number three has to be max for staff up to twenty seven days. Pre wins the spotty. Scroll phrase this so wait. A long world championship pre. He has again a dynamic into team particularly now with the experience that he has a the ripe old age of twenty three the he's performing eh any a phenomenal level and has been for the last two or three seasons now and i think that he deserves a car. The finally will now be able to provide him your car and engine to go and challenge mercedes and I think he's he's relishing. That how much is he evolved on an off track in the time you've known him a huge amount. I mean remember. He was seventeen when he joined us. So the difference between seventeen and twenty three is a big percentage of young person's life. And i think the maturity experience that he has now he's got his feet on us on the ground he's just a no bullshit racer that's all he cares about. That's what he wants to do. And you know when you put him in the car he's going to give you a hundred and ten percent. That's what makes him. I think so exciting to watch you just know imola this year starting p. Three on the grid is not gonna be there at the first corner. Sound away we for stafford get an expert reaction for staffing going into the temporary chicane hamilton. A little bit of a step leads. the amelia. Reminding you that kind of thing you know you're gonna get one hundred ten percent from is he better able to play. The percentage game now. Yeah i think so. I think he with that level of maturity. I think he's demonstrated that you know. Certainly in in some of the races this year i look back to two thousand sixteen and that barcelona grand prix. He was so young. Yeah what were you thinking. We all knew he was good. I think how the hell did he do that. Because we thought we put daniel on the strategy. Max managed to convert one. Stop whatever it was time into into a win if they can. How did he make the toss lost that remember. It was the most surreal thing. He'd never even sat in the car for the weekend. you know. just chuck him straight in a boom first victory. it was mental. Wasn't it fairytale stuff. And how much of a risk were you taking putting him in the car in the first place. There's a calculated risk because obviously options coming up within his contract and Daniel at the time than ill Caveat was he was struggling a bit and rebels in the privileged position where it has two teams and so therefore to make that switch so two purposes an elmo got a lot of flak at the time for that. But you know it was the right thing to do. It was the right thing to do. And it secured max for the long term that we could then start to build with and with max daniel we had you know three more years sixteen seventeen eighteen of fantastic combination with those two drivers. You mentioned daniel. We talked about him at the top. The show. do you think he's regretted leaving off. You'd have to ask him that using. Have you ever asked him not outright. I mean when he announced he was leaving. Reynaud gave me a cold in the shutdown. Last year i remember him. Saying you're probably thinking i told you. So and yeah. You did but that was his decision that he felt he needed to make at that time. And you know he's still. A great friend of the team is a great driver. I'm sad to see him having the struggles that he's having the moment but i'm sure he'll he'll come through them quote on checker if we could. What does he give you. The pierre an alex. Didn't i think he just gives us that experience you know. He's ten years of experience. He's go an ability to manage ties within a rice is second to none. And it just brings a different dynamic into the lineup. Both pierre and and alex of tremendously gifted drivers but timing just wasn't right and then the pressure environment that we have the expectation that it was. It was very tough for them. And i think that you know it was a bold move to step out of the scheme this year with chaco but the first time since mont weber. We've taken in on rebel junior driver. But the way he settled in the waste delivering particularly after that victory and bahrain. Last year would have been very tough for him not to be in formula one thing he brings the dynamic in the fight that we have with mercedes you know that starting to pay dividends. You saw that in the french grand prix and also azerbaijan. Getting his first victory. Before the way he. He fended off. Louis louis would probably won that race. Had it not been for check. So he's he's absolutely delivering. Are you continuing to commit resources to twenty twenty one. Or where are you back at the factory in terms of. Where's the focus going to let this one slip. I read with interest. People say yeah. We've turned off twenty twenty one and we're we're race team. You know twenty twenty two guys. They all count. All the is count years good as you lost race in this business. So of course we continue to put effort in an push and if that means working a few more hours and drinking a few rebels. Everybody's pretty motivated at this point in time so The pain is worth the gain. Would you sacrifice twenty twenty to get this one across the line. 'cause the expectation in this business is that you got to deliver pogo to deliver this year and then we go to deliver next year. So you've got to balance your resources accordingly but but race team and you you roll with the circumstances that you have if you need to improve the to improve it you can't say well we'll leave that till next year you punchy. I can save save energy europe so absolutely nothing. That is a great place for the teams. Have been and we've worked hard. I think we're massively excited about the future. Patrick story how that's going to unfold and future's bright if you win the world championship when you think of not forfeit. That would be the wrong thing. Wouldn't it but christina jumped in the pool at monaco. Yeah you can forget that you can now city. Forget that tell you what you can do. Something make what could you do. I'd like to see. I don't know well. Maybe you can get the listeners. You know right in. And what would tom cox. What would you have him do if rebel were to win. The world championship christine. Thanks so much for your time. It's great it's lovely to hear. I was gonna say talking bull on. Our podcast was very polite on your mom or we. We give all the details. But i've been polite on. Ios has been lovely talking to your.
"christian horner" Discussed on F1: Beyond The Grid
"To twenty thirteen. They had a few office adrian. You think ron dennis thought the when they join up us that adrian had seen his best days. You're just gonna sort of meander into retirement. But adrian was fully fired up. And i think those championship winning years with with fantastic and then of course we then came off the back of four consecutive world championships with an into the high sierra with an engine that just stood no chance of winning for the foreseeable future. And i think that was a massive test of adrian's motivation and of course ferrari came hunting made film star type offer and one of the things that really appeal to him the ability to do his own roe conn there and i think one of the key things that we did at that point we said. Why don't we do that here. Why don't we do a rebel design supercar here and it was a very short conversation. He was like yeah. Okay off. we said no idea how we were going to do it. Who we're going to do it with who going to pay for it. But if we he started coming up with the concept and in the meantime andy palmer who had been a infinity nissen who are title party. He took up the role of ceo. Asher martin and remember speaking to andy saying the agent wants the road car. You've got a fantastic brand. We've got a fantastic designer if we put the two together. Maybe we do something what was originally going to be twenty five. 'cause rapidly went two hundred fifty cars and that car. Finally this year will be delivered to the first of the customers. When's the first red bull road hit. Yeah who knows. I mean must now you can now do the relationship with aston as as finalized. It hasn't concluded on the advanced technology yet because still projects that are outstanding ongoing but of course the next thing is to look at. What is the next step. In that journey you know having learned all those lessons with the valkyrie. It'd be a great shame not to put them to use in something insane. Watch this space. How motivated is adrian now. Super-motivated you know. He's going to sniff that we're in with a chance for this world championship. And he's just like the adrian of two thousand ten eleven twelve thirteen. He's probably the same adrian as is ninety nine hundred ninety three ninety-six and he's got some great people that he's working with. I think on the technical teams doing a great job and that allows agen more freedom. We've got great strength in depth in the dynamic team and across the design functions. And it's everybody understands each other's roles. It's interesting that we're talking about this here in australia. Because coming into the weekend. Of course dan fellows your head of eros now off to ask so there's a lot of about technical structures and is the structure the same with you. Now as it was when adrian. I arrived is he. The sort of the person still at the top of the tree or is much flatter management structure. On the he's chief technical officer and so he has the ability to get involved in whatever he chooses to do so but then of course with hundreds of engineers you have to have a more formal structure that russia is our technical director. He heads that up. So the principal functions report into him which will be very different to the aston martin structure where the technical director doesn't have the reports of the performance director in the engineering director. So you know. Dan in his function as technical director. I believe we'll have aerodynamics and a british chassis layout whereas the technical director in reprising. Pierre's role he has the responsibility of old of those functions of every team is different. And of course every organization it folds and continues to evolve over time. Let's talk dreyfuss next. Who's been the most important driver in red bulls journey. There's been three as david in the early days. Because he for me was a heat-driven for the big teams he'd driven for williams he driven from mclaren's when he came to us he put in some fantastic before but he was a great barometer and sounding board for me to bounce ideas off to say. How did this compare to what you'll use to. And so he was. He played a key role in the early days of ripple racing and is still an ambassador an involved in the team. You know seventeen years later. You still bounce ideas. Yeah he's you know he's got a lot of experience. He's very good with a drivers. He understands the drivers emotions and hardships. And what they have to go through. So he's a he's a he's a great sounding board y- in terms of just dealing with drivers. Sebastian oversleep with the was the next one with the success that he achieved and the level he managed to hit was was phenomenal. When was hit his peak. Two thirteen nine races wins in a row style. But as the world champion brilliant. Dr joy well unbelievable. What was it about that car. I think you just worked it out. I think he worked with tara. He worked out how to get the most out of corner entry corner exit particularly in a slow speeds of high speed mark. Got him covered. Braver in the high-speed but said was smarter in the low speed and just managed to work out these complicated early tarzan on what the car needed. He was very smart at that. He applied himself incredibly well. And i think in the environment we gave him he felt loved and you know he felt he got the backing of the team and we were able to get get the most out of him before we move on from fatal to races. I wanted to ask you about multi. Twenty-one malaysia two thousand thirteen. What's the back story to that. Overtakes mark marks. Unhappy wins the race. But what was the back story where the back story to it. Well there was a bit of a back story was that we'd been hammered in australia the race before. I think kimmy had won the race in the lotus and the parolees have been like cheese in the race that they you had to look after them so cautiously and so we were very concerned about burning out the ties and so therefore we had discussed the about not putting ourselves on the pressure as a team therefore not allowing drivers to slug it out with each other and look after the car. It was raised to look after the car. Bring them home and what happened was said. Misjudge the crossover from wet to dry and come in too early too early. A market it spot. On and so trump position have been reversed but said had one new set of ties left available to him at the end so after the final pitch saw. I think it was a three salt right. I mean it was a busy race. It was right right. Okay this is about bringing it. We will running one. Two is just get the cost the finish. We don't wanna see tree slip through our hands but wind the clock back four months back to brazil the decider of the twenty twelve championship..
"christian horner" Discussed on F1: Beyond The Grid
"To becoming rebel. Employees is red bull powertrains. What you were looking for in the latter years with. I think we'd always felt that the various her entry was just too high. But i think with where the regulations are going does make it longer term young. The numbers being sensible and i think without home assistance. This would have never been possible. If we weren't able to be able to use some of their technology and expertise in two thousand and twenty two. This would have been impossible. Let's take it back to the start of this journey to two thousand and five describe. What but campus in milton gains was like when you start getting cooler. Campus a call it two industrial units and there were very green. Everything was painted green. It was green carpet everywhere because it was jaguar. It was a bit run down. And i remember. There was a nice shares launch in the office that i think used to be. Jackie stewart's original office and a lot of green shag power carpet everywhere in some nasty looking furniture but a changed immeasurably but of course. The original building was in the stewart grand prix building and before. That was even paul stewart racing so as the campus has gone through a transformation the last fifteen years. Or so as we've acquired more and more buildings and it is a campus. Now drive into it and it's a complete difficult but the building. The original building has been named the stewart building. A recent thing. I it is a recent thing named earlier this year. I'm hoping jackie is not gonna charge me a perpetual license for it or anything when covid rules allow coming. Open it for us. Officially we have allowed a building which is where the race team which was a building that niki lauda negotiated and cool building too. So that is the louder building. We have a real building which is where the engines will be produced and we also have a vessel building which is where our data centers aren and saw because sebastian was so obsessed with data. It only right to have a metal building. Did you ever think about moving things away from milton. Keynes and creating your own factory. Someone over started a long time ago. Base in two thousand five thousand six. We ought to go into a brownfield site. And jackie were thinking about that and we looked to their plans and so on but basically just grown organically and just bought more and more industrial unit on the state to the point that we could then fence it off quotas a campus and and have a new drive in and and and there's so much technology because we go now. We house rebel racing rebel technology. We have rebel advanced technology working on projects like the valkyrie and and other exciting projects him to at the moment now we have ripple powertrains as well so the so much going on so much technology based on the campus it's just full of innovation which is fantastic that rebel racing of two thousand and five. Where would it be qualifying on the grid. Now i would think it'd be just behind has the Yeah it was. It's come a long long way but there's a lot of people that are still within the company that were there in those in those days and do they get along before along to watch you get you get a nice tag heuer. You know so anybody that reaches twenty five years and there's quite a few of them we've got about four or five done twenty five years. Simon adams that runs the bisness a mechanic. Four three cough. Paul stewart racing all those years ago so one david coltart. Gosh which brings me onto another point when we talk about the journey from to now wanted to ask you about the key hires made along the way. Dc was one of the early employees. Wasn't he. yeah. I didn't heidi. Cdc was already nominated as drive by the time. I got there and it was like. Thank god i know. Dc the by far the biggest obviously was adrian and adrian's impact on the team has been immense. We weren't ready for adrian adrian. Join other you realize what he assigned to but you know. Dc paid an important role in attracting adrian to come and join the team and that was a key moment. Something people then started. Take us seriously then off the back of that we were able to attract other key talent. It's still remains with us today. People like rob marshall people like jonathan wheatley longstanding team members that have been with us from those early days. There was an interesting battle. If my memory's correct back in those days between red bull the party and you. I think probably driving the no. We're going to be a serious racing team. How difficult was it for you to win that. But it wasn't really a battle because we have to remember former one in the early noughties was full of oem's and so when you came into the paddock. It was toyota and bmw and mercedes and mcclaren him and it was very stiff. It was all very corporate driven by manufacturing influence. And when we came in wanting dietrich said to be very early one thing what was that. He wanted to do things differently. He wanted red bull to be different. Not in its aspirations but in the way that it presented itself. He wanted to see people having fun. He didn't want it taking itself too seriously so suddenly we turned up with the with the energy station. I remember very vividly. Imola two thousand and five first european race and we're parked next to mclaren intentionally bernie had no idea what we you know who we were turning up with. This sort of aluminium framed party house. The played music loud. Said anybody could come in. They liked because you need about fifteen passes to get into any of the other motorhomes. Which the inner sanctum within the paddock. And we did she go pass to get into product. You're welcome in here and we used to do a party on thursday. We used to do a sunset thing on a friday or saturday night. The music allowed the beer. Dj there and it was all it was a little rock and roll but the people that know how to take. I remember mclaren. I think they wrote several letters complaining about their noisy neighbors and one of their employees. I remember coming out to have a look. What the hell was stretch with his noise. Coming out in imola. And that was adrian and so that noise and that party atmosphere might have been one of the contributing factors. It produced some intrigue with him so invited income and have a look and he had a couple of drinks and one of the last to leave. And i think adrian just felt like a kindred spirit bin laden house in the early days and i think he felt that there was a real vitality and energy within the team that really appealed to him and an innocence in many respects but behind. That was this there was still a drive to. We're not just here to take part. It's we want to win we'll but we'll do it in a different way but we definitely wanna win. Was there a conscious effort though to steer away from being the party teen turn down the music darby quite so loud music just as loud as it used to go in the garage. We're a noisy neighbor. But i think just as a team. We grew up a bit. Because you got to a point. Where sunday racing world championships. And and you know we couldn't have a bunch of visits jumping in and out of the car on every garage tool so you just evolve and we just grew up during that period of time and as a result was come sodas way that you operate changes slightly. How hard was it to keep adrian when you were winning everything from two thousand ten.
"christian horner" Discussed on F1: Beyond The Grid
"Talk about it all the season. So far that drivers future with red bull powertrains and to give their current success in context. We also talk about the team's journey to this moment what's changed to make them good and wine krisztian as ever is in good form and he has a lot to say. I hope you enjoy our compensation christine. It's great to have you back on the show. Would you believe in there have been one hundred thirty episodes since you lost came on in two thousand eighteen. That's amazing it's nice to be back one hundred thirty episodes later so loss happened. Happens is then well actually before we move on. Do you remember. It was the start of the summer break. Twenty eighteen and the night before i think daniel ricardo headphones you and said no more. Thanks a little bit bizarre. I remember you come round. I come around beginning this summer holidays. It'll be nice and quiet daniel to resign the night before so i got the world and his dog bringing me the next day. I got flavio core. Were you were there. Pitching for financial. We can talk about this now. I think coded knee a. He was pitching as well. Are looking at your wife saying we ever actually going to get this thing. Started one thousand nine hundred four london to brighton. Ron carter and up a little test drive in as well so yeah it was. It was all gang on any anything you want to announce actually not for nothing is. Nothing is as nothing as big as that knows well. A lot has happened on track. Since then chris yeah and off track. Yeah orlando has happened since the busy three years for all of us. Isn't it really. But you guys are genuinely competitive. Now how does it feel to be a genuine challenger again because it's been a while it has been awhile but you know what this is what we've been working for and to go to races knowing that you've got a chance of winning he just puts petrin everybody's tank and i think that the whole factory. The whole team is fully motivated and love in this competition. Let's see where ends up to know. Mercedes have been. let's not forget. They've won everything the last seven years and he's been seven long years and i think so to get ourselves back into a competitive position to be able to be giving the drive is competitive car particularly with a pandemic of the last eighteen months and so on it's fantastic. I think he's good for us. It's good for the sport. And i hope it goes all the way to the wall for staffer praise. I was absolutely clinical max asset great. Great group how much you miss this feeling so long ago. What it felt like the last time we went through an incredibly successful patch for for four years. Which at the time were saying you guys dominating everything and it's boring and you remember to those world. Championships went to the final race against financial in two thousand ten and in two thousand and twelve urine. We wanted the last race. What we've seen since then been not domination. It's been a knowledge and and we've we've won races in pretty much every year since but they've had to be opportunistic. Wins at circuits suited us all or through clever strategy or thinking on our feet but to a sustained campaign together which puts a lot wind in your cells. And i think that yeah. We've missed that winning feeling you can feel in the team as a lot of people here that were that end but there's also quite a few the ones they haven't experienced the this before but you don't forget how to win. Is this the best version of red bull racing. that has ever been so difficult to compare. I mean we will pretty published through those championship winning years. But i think as a team you always evolving. Things are always getting better. Look at the speed of pitstops you look at all aspects of the way that we operate now and everything just takes a step forward so i think we've got a great group of people. We got two great drivers and an engine partner. That's done a fantastic job this year as well and some great technical partners is the combination of all those things coming together and it's just evolution. Have you ever had a driver pairing. That's how monus as the one that you have now. Dc and mark. They were reasonably harmonious mark. And sebastian. certainly weren't harmonious. Daniel and max were large part of it very good. They raised hard but there was a respect between each other and really since daniels left oversee we had drive is coming very young and max was running solo and it's only really since chico has arrived. He's a great team player. And you know he was out but the end of last year he wouldn't were unlikely to find a seat. The competitive seats. So i think he's enormously grateful for this opportunity grabbing it with both hands and he's really rounded guy lot of experience and he's he's playing the team role fantastically well. What about honda. Have you ever had such a close relationship with an engine burn. We haven't and i have to say your relationship with homeland has been absolutely sensational. We've you know we've enjoyed every minute of it. So committed such a wonderful company to work with the engineering quality. The passion that commitment the desire the owner the dedication that they put into this product is unlike i've ever seen before and of course once you've experienced that i mean we're dreadfully. Sorry that they're going to be believing us at the end of the year. Leaving the the sport once you've experienced that was very difficult then go back to being a standard customer so that's was a large part of the reason behind and no no we. We need to bring this under our own control now house. The current success going down in tokyo. Just think there's a few regrets loving a thing the regretting pulling out. They've made their decision that withdrawing officially at the end of the year and he's a great great shame because we love them to stay longer. We just about to go under a freeze for the next three years. Secost far more controlled. They've worked very hard to get themselves into a competitive position sending next year where we're aiming to retain some form of relationship. Can you elaborate a bit on that. Are you still going to have access to soccer in japan and somebody. Obviously i'm not going to go into the details of the discussions but we're aiming to have a soft landing as we can as an enormous challenge to start from scratch as an engine builder well. Why don't we talk powertrains going to come onto it later but first up when honda pulled out did you explore the current power unit supplies. The most natural thing to have a discussion with the existing supplies and out of they go mercedes was a very short conversation and talk to oversee was particularly keen on that one in fact reynaud aspirations of teen didn't include supplying a team light red bull and probably the most willing was ferrari and You know we had some exploratory discussions but to be a customer so to have to accept all the integration particularly with the new regulations coming would be a massive leehar pill to swallow. So that's when we started to explore the possibility okay. How do we take on this challenge in a red bull manner and you know see if we can put a deal together with honda for the future in the freeze was fundamental to that because we wouldn't have the capacity to develop an engine to take that step and it's a big step in as a bold step to become take control of our own destiny engine supply and bring the whole lot on the one roof in milton. Keynes it would make us the only team other than ferrari to have the whole law with imam facility. How difficult a cell was that to date trick mattress ships you know in terms of i think he reached that conclusion himself that we had no choice and helmet was obviously very supportive and an pushing hard for it and it was absolutely the right cool. It was he immunity for us to remain in a competitive position. It was the only call your engines until this relationship with honda have been. They've always been an achilles heel two degrees one element that you haven't had control over and taking control of your own destiny as a ballsy thing to do and some people sure up and down the pit lane said he a completely nuts because i have no idea what they're taking on the. I'm a great believer in this business. People spoke and it's about getting the right people giving them the right tools to do the job empowering them yeah it's a it's a competition at the end of the day. 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Vpn dot com slash grid to get three extra months free. That's xpress vpn e. x. r. e. s. s. vpn dot com slash grade to learn more christian. What would you say is the biggest challenge in setting up a startup company in formula. One i think i of you've got to integrate it with what you've got as well so you don't want to create a completely new independent company. Otherwise you may as well go to a third party supplier. So the whole purpose of this was to utilize the synergies in the skill set in the synergies between whether machine shops engineers software simulation groups that you expand and you build upon your existing structure so it's fully embedded within the process of the calm and that's a difficult thing to do to bring a completely new entity and bolster your existing setup but i think the quality of people that we have yet we've managed to do that and we're getting there with the cost cap. Have you been able to move a lot of people. Over from the chassis side right. Undoubtedly saved a lot of people's jobs because on the path train side. They're the we need efi specialist. We need simulation engineers. We need electronics designers and without a shadow of a doubt it is saved a significant amount of jobs that would have otherwise. Unfortunately at the end of this month. Been needing to leave are so. I think that's a positive because how big is at the end of the day is people and without then we got nothing is taking a huge amount to assemble this group of people and so even though we have had to reshape and say goodbye to and it's been really tough saying goodbye to some individuals have been with the team twenty five years the fact that we've managed to save you a significant number of skill people to continue in rebel. Powertrains is. yeah that feels good. How much of your time is dedicated to red bull powertrains at i think the last nine months a significant amount because is about getting the right structure is by getting the right people and integrating it fully. So it's it's a big project and we're only for only at the beginning of the story says a long long way to go all that parallels to two thousand and five when he first walked in the door at red bull racing in terms of what you are creating back ben and what you're creating now powertrains or not really because when i walked in the door and two thousand five at least there was a team. They're here we got nothing and was starting from scratch. The the rebel invested significantly in the getting the right infrastructure. In place. the right dyno's the rights breaks the right facilities and of course you've got to have the right people to fill those facilities certainly in the earlier part of this year as a dentist. Who are those people who do. We need in our team in a very similar way to what we did in with chassis nearly days but who even gave you that advice. How much of an expert are you in powertrains. I do know that it's a people business. So you do your research. You use call. Andy cow is your first call. He's taking on some different challenges in his life at this point in but it was obvious why he's achieved what he has. And then the question of say okay you say to produce the best engine for the last probably fifteen years and former warm. va v6. And how do we bring that talent. And who is that talent. So you do your research and you work out okay. They're the people i think we need. Can we see a day when red bull powertrains will be supplying other teams in the pit lane. And i'm not talking about alpha tower. I wind not because i mean rebel will be the only independent manufacturing formula one. So we're not dictated to to say that it's got to be run on orange juice or is going to be a v six or v four or whatever it is about formula one. It's about needs to sound riot. Needs to generate the necessary horseback. Yes it has to deal with environmental issues but there's no pre requisite set down from an. Oem say this is what the engine has to be. so i think he's been music to stefan. Oh and ross z. Is that suddenly the not beholden. Just on the oem's of the manufacturers could christian horner of two thousand and five taken on this project. It would have been too much of that point in time. But i think that a great team around me and think that he would such strengthened depths in the organization that we're ready for this challenge. And i think it's an exciting challenge in one that's been been fully embraced adrian's excited about it via shea to work side by side with the technical director. The powertrains ben hodgkinson. Who will be joining us. It's it's really exciting. And of course we're going to inherit over one hundred people from hr uk so the engines are operated out of milton. Keynes in the uk from honda and all those talented people that are here at the track. Running and operating these engines will transfer across.
"christian horner" Discussed on Motor Sport Magazine Podcast
"Which is. But there are some of the there are some who the pay to be fair. I've had the crack before Renner GP three, and you could say that about mile drivers. There's some Email drivers around that you don't have any clue about and just to pay in the same because I've got some cash behind him. So I think the fact that you don't know half these drunk drivers interested to feature many more liking who had properties in GP three water. There's a kind you have not been good enough. I'm sorry. But they haven't. And I will say the wounds to about two might be. Exactly. Okay. Well, let's think I think the ones I think we all looking forward to it would excited for because we. This world of me to all that we were on board. It's the thing. A lot is such generates income stations. But metro is bringing it into the public indifference on him to race apprentice actually to the share which I'm gonna watch because I just I'm just interested to see how. Although I think anything that spots a debate. And get people involved is going to be a good thing. And we all lecturing through the issue reporter great piece about ten hours is underway now in South America. And we put great piece on a on a on a Rolls, Royce corniche, which is so big monkey spell. What we've done is nonsense you on Rolls, Royce h. Maybe time. Dafter holding the dockyard rally in South America Tuesday. And then our because this is all this year issue as well. We. Two thousand eighteen getting pictures of Lyndon Damon. I mean, he probably this is your favorite part of the year. You can just look at these pictures for every every website, we can find or find every source and just saying look what's purchased and choosing a couple of maybe. No. But it's it's just nice to actually look back through the air realize what you might have missed or hasn't been saying is. Yes, it can. It's just a lovely retrospective. Book. And. Happy to just look amazing. It's one of the things in that mean this in a way it's been captured for what we do. Sometimes have problems breath of disciplines that most four covers. I mean, we don't just eat for me, the one that we we just a historic racing, we do everything. And and these figures really really share that up time we enjoy tracing NASCAR at one Brazilian. Stop cars GP told. Everything everything everything. So they were these pictures, I think us three months lecture. I've got a feature on an eight being reunited with its owner Anita which may or may not have appeared in the film via talion joke. We'll decipher whether that. Levi's decipher whether that that's the it actually appeared in the film enough. And Mark Hughes has interviewed Christian Horner really interesting really interesting into an really interesting to hear from from salmon they've got they've got to be in the running for next year. Well, there is there is the reserve in rewarding the back of the cow. We obviously are funded. Do you? All personally was over in the full moon. Paddock in the way used to bathe. It some personally watching from afar until he checked into the mall can monitor the papal whilst window. You know, I was in. Impressed overall with on the did in twenty thousand nine hundred second rice in the season to finish fourth. Best result. Mcclellan achieved in the previous three seasons with the same ship. Clarity drawing. The, but if you if you use the the technical prowess of red bull. And the the financial resources upon the game over Bill them as customers customer. I think potentially if become never reliability yet. But they made impress getting team Eighteen months, months. and if they if they can make a moment to say they tend to next year, but. As a potential challenge for race battery serving up be surprised if they didn't win the race previous point they Hornets. Very mischievously says about mccaren that he said that they into seventeen year we said they had the best chassis would just being held back by the engine..