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Cake Show Conversations: Ryan Harrison talks World Team Tennis All-Star Challenge
"Welcome back to the fan guards you here in the Bryant Heating Cooling Studios and we talked with James Blake a little bit earlier this week about the a world team tennis celebrity, All Star match presented by Barefoot Hard Seltzer. It's tomorrow twelve, thirty central on CBS and really is one of the last events that went off as scheduled before we all jumped into this quarantine. Joining us now is American Ryan Harrison. He's on team Sharapova in the World Team Tennis Celebrity! All Star match tomorrow, he's won five titles including the two thousand seventeen. French Open men's doubles championship, and he's on the a wedding clinically in cataract hotline now. Ryan how are you. Doing great thanks for having me on. Give people a sense of for maybe those are familiar with the World Team, tennis format and everything that goes along with it you as a veteran of world team. What people can expect if they jump into CBS tomorrow with some of the stars of the game. It's a very fast paced format, and you see men and women and women's tennis along with every different type of of format that you can imagine have regular doubles. Mixed doubles so there's five total sets. You have men's singles women's singles men's doubles women's doubles and mixed doubles, so you get a little bit of everything, and it's shorten set, said at the time of the match doesn't go on too long now. We had a team in Minneapolis. Years and years and years ago when I was growing up, it was called the Minnesota. Minnesota Penguins Anna's ahah tennis guy. I was all in on it. Ryan I was I, was there for every match. It was Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors and all kinds of the greats that are in the game and what I loved about it was you were right there and people go to the US. Open they go to tournaments and access is different at different events. For World Team tennis a really feels like you can get up close and personal with the fans, and you guys are more relaxed as well because there's things at stake, but it's not like the usual tour events it just. It always struck me as superfan friendly. How do you guys see it? Yeah definitely anytime. You're competing in a team event. There's always a lot more camaraderie, so the conversation has different than a normal HP match when you rarely see any communication between the players, anybody else unless there's a bad line call or something like that goes on, but you know during world, team tennis you. You get interaction you get encouragement. fans are actually kind of encouraged to be more engaged in a little bit more There's a little bit more like team sports where there's a little bit more trash talking a little bit more excitement, and then you know, I would say it's more like a football game and. And a tennis match because of the you know the enjoyment with people having having drinks and being an engaged, you played this on March first at the Omni, Lacoste resort and SPA in San Diego I, remember following it on social media and as I said with James The big story then was that that was about a day after Maria Sharapova announced her retirement. That was kind of one of the big stories in sports. Could you have imagined on that day in San Diego that that'd be basically the last time you saw anybody for a really long time. What have you been up to in this quarantine nation? That were Allen. Yeah I mean that's. It's just crazy. How things have transpired you know about a week. Later in the in wells was canceled, and whatever it was canceled a lot of players were in shock, because we were kind of the first major sport that canceled a massive tournament, there been a couple of soccer games in Europe that have been put on hold or played without fans. Fans in attendance, but then I think that the tennis being Global Sport and having so many foreigners traveling from all over. I think that that's why it was one of the first events to have to postpone. Unfortunately I think that's why tennis will be one of the last ones to resume, because so many different parts of the globe that are coming to one specific location for. For a tennis match, and it's hard to imagine like exactly which areas are are fine and safe, and which areas are still being affected. So you know for us. be in this spot now. We're just trying to stay focused on what we can control you know there are some things you can do as far as reflection and videotape, analysis and things like that, but then. Then, you also want to stay healthy and stay in shape, so you know I'm I'm personally using this time to try and make some changes with my body? I'm trying to get a little better shape maybe before if I was playing tournaments every week, I'd be a little bit more concerned about being sore and that sort of stuff, but now I'm just really focusing. On getting myself in tiptop condition, and I know that you had you've had injuries a handful of injuries over the years including kind of towards the end of last year, and it seemed like you were working your way into pretty good form, winning the first in Delray Beach, and it kind of working yourself back in so was it hard in a way to stop giving that you'd put a lot of time in I'm sure there was a lot of quiet moments. I guess getting ready for that and I know you're looking forward to two thousand twenty. So have you been able to rationalize those those two realities? Yeah I mean del Rey was big in that regard for me because you're not a really good player there and I lost a really typesetting around notch to a guy who was around fifty in the world, so you know coming off of major elbow surgery, and having spent most of last year out with it, you know to have that tournament. Be under my belt. It was a it. It was a big relief and a big excitement. Because you know, I knew that that level was was so close on the horizon for me. you know at this point in time? It's just a good chance for me to continue my Rehab continue working hard and getting myself in better conditions, so they won't do. Resume I'm able to pick back up but I definitely think that that was. A good thing because. It gives me a recent memory to reflect on of myself playing type of tennis. I want to be playing and certainly trying to improve on that. Now I've talked to pros about this before. You know it's such a fine line. I don't have to tell you that of winning and losing and you look at a guy like even like your American counterpart Jack Sock who a couple years ago was in the the final eight overseas was a top ten player, and it took him a couple of years. Years even a tour match. How difficult is and we saw the emotion when he finally did it? It was tremendous one of the great moments of the year. How difficult is it to kind of live in that reality where the margins are so small, and on any given day, your livelihood in your career might be come down to a couple of points or a guy gets hot I mean as a professional I assume you get used to it, but that's that's different than most jobs. You know what I mean. Yeah definitely I mean. My biggest thing is that confidence is so important. Dealing with pressure is so important. There's a number of different ways to do you know I think I. Get asked a lot from various coaches on. How do you deal with pressure and my first response as well? It depends on the kid. You know if you if you talked to Roger Federer and Rafael off both. Drastically different ways to handle immense pressure, they do it so well, so there's no one size fits off of that and I think that for guys who had some struggles just figuring out a way to you know disregard or downplay some of the pressure. You're feeling and and get back to being yourself, and then once you get wins then the confidence starts to common. You don't really over the situation as much but. That the. Feeling, where you feel like, you can't move, or you're walking for line, kill frozen it's a very real thing and the only way to. Really get over it to find ways to win and let the confidence bill, so you know for guys like Myself Jack who've been coming off a little bit of a layoff after having some success early on trying to recapture that form as we hit you know our later stages mid to late stages career you know I think that it's just working hard, and and trusting your your preparation, and then you just have to find different ways. Ways to make yourself calm down and like I said everybody has slightly different personalities that it works for. We're talking with Ryan Harrison pro tennis player. It's the World Team Tennis Celebrity All Star match presented by Barefoot Hard, Seltzer. It's tomorrow April. Fourth Twelve thirty central time you dealt with unique pressures over your career, obviously because you came out to two or very early I mean I think you were playing a pro tournament at fifteen and. Like many young Americans you get thrown out there. You have some success and all of a sudden. There's a huge microscope on your right and the lights are bright. What are you remember you know now that you're grizzled Vet Ryan. What do you remember about? Two Thousand, seven, two, thousand and eight thousand people forget I think sometimes, and we've seen a lot of players over the years. Get a lot of exposure at seventeen eighteen nineteen years old. What do you remember about those pressures at that time and what you learned through that whole period? Yeah I mean that's. It's crazy. Looking back on it, because honestly the pressure wasn't that bad at the time. Because you know when there's hype around, there's excitement around you a lot of things that you're seeing on yourself as positive and the the pressure really hits the first time. You have any sort of speak on percents back. That's when you feel that sort of. Oh and I gotta get with it so for me that came when I was around nineteen or twenty years old, and it was the first year then my ranking had not finished higher than the previous year. You start saying negative reports and things that come out about you know what happened this last year and why? Why did Harrison take a step backwards and then? You know one. You want a real promised. Fresh start to build, and you know obviously being a little bit more. I think. Not Handle those things, but at the time of. you know almost fall. Moments where I got to frustrate in the court of you know just exactly that hearing noise and along with wanting to be the person who represented the United States, and all the biggest stages I also wants you. proved naysayers wrong improved with people who doubted me that you know I was capable of some of the things that maybe that was saying I wasn't capable of at the time so You know going back I. It's hard to really say in each moment. What you've done differently, but I wish. Overall mindset that I had a little bit better of you know. Keep your close people close to you and trust their opinion. You know, don't be. Don't don't be Google searching. Everybody's opinion of Ryan Harrison. Well one thing that that I've always loved about tennis in the individual. Sports is that it is up to you. Basically you know it's one on one. And obviously everybody has teams, and they have coaches, but I would have to imagine that you don't have teammates necessarily to pick you up. If you have a bad day and I remember you know going watching Mardy Fish Planet. Planet Tournament in the finals, years and years ago and just being struck by in the locker room before the match he was playing. John is ner. It was Mardi and it was John and it was like one other person on each side, and that was it and I bring all that up. Because tennis can be very lonely. Existence I think and golf can be as well as you're traveling all the time you've got, you know you're going all over the world all over the country, a lot of pressure on each match and I wonder if it is difficult at times to. Have people to lean on like you said have that close knit circle to pick you up in the moment. Senator Tricky, you know. Yeah for sure I. Mean I think Mardi did an incredible job in the later stages of history, because you know you talk about his dietary change in his fitness improvement for the later stages career well. You know I'm sure that that was something that he'd been hearing for a long time, but it really took somebody who's voice that he really trusted and I remember when he got with David Nine coach at the time and his physio Christian Cossio they were a team that Mardi built around You know most tennis players or just kind of hard headed. Individual Sport and you're in a selfish environment, so it's hard to you know put somebody's opinion about your own, but then when you do find those people to trust with all you know with all you got. Then you listen to them and I think that. Marty you know it was a prime example of somebody who had a lot of success, and then was hitting a little bit of a steep up and had to really take a time, and you know decide who he trusted. Decide who he was gonNA. LISTEN TO YOU! Know Marty. We've talked about before. You know. He didn't focus a lot on the outside noise like we were. were, talking about he got with a very specific group of people and worked on what he thought it was going to make improvements, and then within a year, and a half years in the top ten in the world and and ATP finals, and you know having great results, and he takes a lot of pride, and when he was able to do late in his career, and so you know for me at twenty seven going on twenty eight now I've talked to Mario Lot. We're good friends and you know. I'm trying to capture some of that ability that he was able to do where in the later stages of his career it was. Something that has stuck out to me about all the American tennis players especially probably within the last ten or fifteen years. I'm not sure if. There was a lot of camaraderie between the out of the Agassi's and the Sampras and the careers of the world and I think you know as you would know as as an IMG veteran. You know the old school Bolletteri deal. I think nick. Bollettieri wanted it that way. I don't think they wanted a lot of friends back in the eighties and nineties, but it seems like the generations of followed them starting really with Roddick and Marty and James, and then moving into your generation, and even the younger kids now there seems to be a real sense of camaraderie among a lot of you. You guys that you help each other out and I remember Ryan here and Andy Talk about you and you were just coming up and it seemed like he was a big fan of yours right away, and and definitely wanted to help you out because he liked how you kind of you know maybe reminded him of himself in terms of your competitiveness in your fire and your ability to work. So, what's it been like to am I? Reading that right first of all the the Americans do seem to have a pretty solid support group amongst the past generation and a half or so. Yeah most definitely I mean I think the Mardian anywhere such a great case of that. You know they've both got incredible careers. They've maintained a really close friendship throughout However I will say that whenever they did play against each other, there were certainly no love lost in those in those matches when they were when they were between the lines because they thought that extremely competitive and. Fiery personalities when they're on the court, so I think it's a mutual understanding. You know I I have on tour, but once I play them They're not expecting me to be telling them. Get shot every time. So you know we have a healthy understanding of of what it's like out there within at the same time, you know I think there's an understanding that if your competitors get better, and as you get better with them that your oval, all ability to take the tour is going to be going to be. A little bit easier. I think that we're seeing that with Taylor Fritsch rally O- PALCA Tommy Paul Francis tee off a number of our young Americans are breaking through, and they've got a great relationship, and it seems like each time. One of them hits a new height. It kind of opens the others is that it's attainable, and it's possible and I think that that's something You know it's a really good. Good good tool to have I think that they've used it the right way and I think you hang on once we're able to resume onto word that'll be an important tool for them to have rest of their career and on resuming onto Orion obviously the big news this week is Wimbledon is now canceled their serious concerns about when we are going to start back up again and you're right, given tennis international. International Flavor. It probably is going to be one of the last sports that actually does get to continue and get the start up. I talked to James About this earlier in the week. That more or less means that a lot of players are furloughed for lack of a better term. Because if you don't play, you can't make money. I know their sponsorships and different deals where they can kind of peace people by I. I Know World Team Tennis, has stepped up and given a little bit of money to each of their players is kind of thank you, but how concerned are you? You Talk to other professionals that are in your position as well of there's a lot of events and a lot of things that are not going to be happening here in the next couple of months. How how concerning is that for the tour players? Yeah I understand that there's concern from a lot of players and certainly don't WanNa. Look what frontloading in world team tennis was able to do. an incredible gesture giving the donation to all their players staff just to show that they have appreciation understanding You know just what a guy that threat is to to be able to do that along with their whole organization, but you know for me I think that as an athlete. You're taught that the income that you're bringing in while you're active is going to be drastically different than what you're able to bring an afterwards Able to have better business endeavors afterwards than others, but you're certainly prepared that you know the the money to you're dealing with and income. You're having is supposed to be there to you know, be there for the rest of your life and I think that this is a good a good chance for people who been smart with their money, and or maybe not tomorrow their mind understand what they can do what they should be doing to prepare for life after tennis, and so you know we will resume the tumor while on, and once able. That's GONNA. Be Great because everybody will have appreciation for maybe what we have out there, but in the meantime I think there's just a an understanding that you know. WE'VE GOT TO BE SMART. We've gotTa make sure that. You? Know further meantime, and then after tennis is set up accordingly and I. think that I was lucky that I had a great support system around me. That wasn't trying to take advantage of me or wasting money or anything like that, so I was fortunate in that regard and I I hope that most other players were also I think that you know when we resume like I said hopefully the the tour was back operating at. At full capacity and work all make money again last thing. Do you think as a saints fan? All the bad Karma is you think it's over now that you know Kyle? Rudolph probably pushed off more Minneapolis now Ryan so just remember that after you know. The saints tried to kill Brett Farve in the two thousand ten championship game. You think the football guys are punished the saints enough for those transgressions the last couple of years. Hey. I sure hope so man. I mean that whole thing was. Up a black spot on our radar, although we did get one super bowl championship, but you know the vikings have had some recent I. Guess Hierarchy over US I. I talked to Mari about it all the time. He added biking. San I'm a saints Fan, so we both discussed it. we both have agreed that when the saints play the Vikings especially in the playoffs that there's zero text communication throughout the entirety of the game. It was just healthier that way for our friendship, so we decided that we were gonna put that rule in place, but moving forward I think that. We've got a great team in place through agrees. It's coming back for one more year. Our coaches thankfully recovered from the over nineteen virus. It was one of the persons football diagnosed with it, and now he's doing a lot better in grave condition. So assuming that we're able to get The next football season kicked off, which is hopefully going to happen on time. I think the saints will be in contending division. Why would drew brees? You're a hundred percent right, and that's the hard part even for Vikings fans up here. It's because we hate the saints with everything because of. Of the five deal right, so we don't feel bad minneapolis miracle we. We certainly don't feel bad about Kyle. Rudolph pushing off, but drew brees, makes it really difficult to hate the saints generally right and obviously just donated five million dollars to New Orleans and what he's done for that town I don't have to tell you is a shreveport native. What he's done for the state and everything not just in this situation, but basically his whole career. That's a hell of a guy to have quarterback in your team for the better part of you know fifteen twenty years. He's a stud. Yeah absolutely I mean he's a prime example. He's one of my idols. I've never met him. But I hope to one day. I look up to the way. He handles a lot of situations even when I follow him on social media, and just he's responding to whatever disasters avenues time whether it was Hurricane Katrina, this pandemic or anything that's happened in between. He's always been stepping up and giving back. Back to community and somebody that I try to emulate as much as I can and a lot of different aspects, and so we're lucky to have them, and hopefully even the Saint Traders Division rivals will out that respects for drew Ryan I appreciate the time. It was good to catch up with you and we'll be watching tomorrow the April fourth world. Team tennis celebrity. All Star match presented by barefoot. Whenever the resumes. We'll be watching news while I enjoyed the conversation and appreciate you taking the time. Yeah I enjoyed it. Thanks for having me on, and you'll stay up there.
Sam Querrey and Eric Hutchinson
"The NBA is back and after a long strange hiatus were finally into finished the weirdest basketball season of all time and SL podcast have a front row seat join me Kris maddox on the crossover NBA show and Ben Gulliver on open floor every week for our takes from inside the bubble. That's right. We're inside the bubble and the best analysis and news on the NBA mad finish subscribe to bolt shows anywhere you can find podcast. Jon Wertheim here, and it's this week's. Illustrated Tennis podcast, we have two guests this week, a bonus guest in mainstream tennis player guest I. Am Query joins us. He is at the Greenbrier in West Virginia where he was laying world team tennis, and then as he will explain, is ready to embark on a full season starting in August, and we talked to him about what it's been like in the tennis bubble what his plans are for the rest of the season and sort of what the impact of this crazy and cratered year has been on a on a player of his status, his age. then. We have Eric Hutchinson. He's been on the show before Eric is a friend of big. Band of tennis and we talk a bit about what it's like to be a solo performer solar artists in the time of Cova probably not dissimilar to being a singles player. Eric has a new album class of one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight. So we talk a bit about the process a bit about this sort of enforced break that we are all on. What the overlaps between music and tennis. All right now and some tennis chatter with a big tennis fan. So Sam Corey versed Haircut Simpson's second. Let's start in. West. Virginia. You're. In the bubble. I am. Tennis bubble. Let's let's start the president as a been. IT'S BEEN AWESOME You know for me I hadn't told a match in. Australian Open because my wife had a baby in February also I mean it's been five months. So I was excited to go I think all the players here are are really loving it and it's fine and we're finally back plans some competition and it's been great i. mean the I've never I don't know if you've ever been here. I. Know I haven't most you'll have in, but the resort is awesome So it is a bubble but at the same time you can there's golf fishing a bunch of restaurants you can go. You know skeet shooting eighteen. So you're you don't feel like you're just you're playing tennis and going back to your room. There's so much to do outside tennis, which is really made it fun for everyone because we are here for for three full weeks. And it's great to be back in absolute competition and. Going to court I mean it's going great so far. Some sounds like summer camp widsom competitive tennis thrown in. That's exactly what it feels like especially 'cause you're you're in the mountains that it's got a very, very much camp field. We're we're only doing this audio. I have to say you're your backdrop is tremendous. It looks like I mean you can kind of see like. Beautiful. No it's. It's this part of the I've never been here like I said it's I mean we went ATV and a few days ago, and you go up in the mountains in the views and. I. Spectacular. Doesn't sound like a bad way to spend July. What's been the? What about sort of the training, the nutrition, the hydration everything that comes with competitive playing how have you been able to deal with? With that. I, mean for me personally that's been that's been tough. The last like months to find the motivation for practice knowing or not knowing when we're GONNA. Start. You know you're kind of always like like apprenticed for like, wow not studying for I'll just as the next day and then I do the next day. So you know the last two months I haven't practicing hard but there's there's a practice shape and there's match shape. It's hard to really get back into your match shape until you play match. So. I'm doing the best. I can I've got Christian Cossio who travels with me as like a physio here with me. So we've been in the gym every day and working on my body. So physically actually feel fine because you know the team that I'm on I'm only playing singles every day. So I've literally got a thirty minute sets of five. And that's all the tennis I'm playing. So off days and even some matchdays I'm finding the other guys have updates in in an extra and extra practice and spending time in the gym and trying to make the most of it won't here. What's the level play? Overall? It's been high I. Mean I've played tennis twenty years because of the incentives this year online means finals, winters, It's intense. The teams are into it i. mean every you really feel like everyone's kind of laying it out there and It's made it better. You know I it's fun of the past but these incentives, I, it's it's up the level and there's a few more come on. There's a the teams kind of gathering around over a little bit more. So it's it's been really fun and I hope they continue to do is incentives can. Stays at this level. Yeah. I mean I was GONNA. Say, this is an interesting. You're a world team tennis veteran. This is unlike any other season you've had you just. League can. Use this crazy. This crazy three weeks as a springboard. I hope. So I. Mean Look at Fred Leading Eric Davidson behind it and they love tennis and You know they seem to have the financial backing to help move it forward in a good direction and Like the nave because of what happened, I mean the level and the talent they have this year is like no other year they've had world tanks. See this type of caliber players for a full season. So hopefully I mean I everyone that plays this year know especially those top players are GonNa say oh. My God this has been fun like this has been a great. Few weeks of practice, it's fun to be on a team and hopefully for the years moving forward, they're going to those top players GonNa WanNa do it again. Give, give us your your like top top four players of the season. If you're writing in your MVP, votes would be Gosh I would have to look at kind of like the the win loss record. you know Bethany Matic Santa's up there because she's just it seems like every mixed doubles in every doubles cheese. You know winning most of those. Sets. closers was up there until she got her she was just on fire. So I'm still GONNA put closers in the mix and then. Not so I'M GONNA try to I'm trying to think of a guy that's. been somewhat dominant. I can't tell I. Don't know I would need to look at like. He's been winning losing. Look I was just looking at your roster so. You haven't played played a lot of double for a good reason. Right. You're obviously on the LAS, Vegas team with a pair of twins. AM. I am I right here I. Mean I I. Don't know if Bob and Mike have talked about not not that your publicist but. I. Don't know if they talk about their plans for the rest of. The rest of the year. Is it possible this could be there Swanson now. No. No I think they're definitely planning on playing play next year. They have they come around on that. All right. Good. Yeah Not You know they've kind of joked about it but I I, it sounds like they're gonna kind of this was last year pushing into next year. So hopefully, we'll get another year of. What's been the? What's been the biggest adjustment? I mean you're you're obviously you're this was not the crowds are used to. This is not the level of technology. What's what's been the biggest adjustment? What's what's something that maybe hasn't been industrial at all The biggest adjustment as far as world team tennis. Yeah. I mean the played the play those and in southern California a few months ago I, mean what? What's what's been tough and what's actually been something surprisingly easy. I mean. The toughest part is gonNA come out like firing here because it is only a set five you feel like if you. Lose your I I for second service game. You like Gosh like I don't have time to get back into it. I've let my team down. So you got to A. Two. minute. Warm up you get. You gotTa make the most of it. Move your feet, get going go after it and even before that you. I mean most people are are kind of going around to the side and really warming up like you're coming out with like a sweat ready to go unlike kind of normal tournaments where you can almost ease into a match the first few games on both sides. So that's Kinda I feel like the biggest change and. You know. I would say. The normal part is like you kind of go through your normal routine as far as like. An hour and a half before you do that you hit lunch you know. It's it's pretty casual but. It's. I would say that the biggest thing that's kind of what I said at first it just you got to step on the court from one ready to go. you you bencher your new father congrats. I imagine that made the the shelter at home a little different but perhaps yeah actually I got him right there. You got the gang here. Yes my wife and signer here. I mean, it's a good place to take your family like I said with all those things to do, and we're actually staying in A. Resort giant kind of like a little cottage. So we got like a bedroom and living room. So it's nice to have some space when he goes asleep we. Eat Out in the living room and not have to whisper. That's clear is going to get as first Google hit. What I'm trying to do the math in my head five, five months, six months exactly five months. Yeah. Man I imagine this is major your shelter at home your copay you're a little different. Definitely. Yeah. Like most players you would have missed the handful of weeks or months beginning of your new your news daughter's life but I've got to be home. Pretty much every single day. So that's been often and this is this is his first trip. You know and it's a it's been fun safaris not sleeping great here to what he was doing and but that's just. That's just part of. Being a new parent, but it's it's been awesome to have my wife, and for here they come down. The matches that you know the times kind of matches matches rights where not napping or sleeping they come down and watch and otherwise you know they stay in the room and. Roll around on their on their tummies and we. We're we're all looking for silver lining in Kobe. It looks like so hard. That's great. Yeah exactly. You. Talk about the Bryans you are like I guess what you're. You're coming up on thirty three. This strange cratered year is going to affect careers. I mean is this sort of six months of sabbatical that you get to tack onto the end or do you think of as players get older? This is this is a critical period. I'm not sure how it's going to play I definitely think it's the older you are the tougher this little sabbatical office been I know like for me it's. Early. Sometimes, it's tough to find the motivation and all the time off. You might feel a little rusty i. only got a few years laugh I feel like I just missed. Six months of including a Wimbledon and the. You know possibly a French Open where if you're twenty one you you know you've missed the time, you're pass what I'm you know and I've got I've got twelve more years of. Of plane all these for me personally I'm. You know I'm. Extremely bummed that I missed all these and especially. I don't know how much longer I'm going to play. Call it three years for. Free just think of this, and if you miss a Wimbledon thirty, three percent of my women's I had left for God. And so know I'm Bob, it has been fun to be home with my family, but at the same time they were planning on traveling to Europe so I was going to be with them anyway. so. I. I think it'll be tougher for the older guys, but we'll have to see how. Start going. What's been the fitness level out there you talk about the level of play what's been? I mean, you know you guys aren't playing five matches on clay but what's what's been the fitness? It's tough to tell because. There's such short sets, but it is. It is hot out here. It is humid. So you do feel it a little bit but. For. The most part seems to be in good shape no one's. No one's. No one seems to be struggling physically, but the sets are too short to even. To even. Say. So we are we h ally man. They're singing your song. Yeah. What what's the game plan for the rest of the season? More days here and then I'll head home. and. Then it sounds like the US. As their decision on the US Open in a few days. So I'm crossing my fingers that we've got Cincinnati. and. The US Open and I'm planning to go plays many terminal like can't I hope to play. Cincinnati. US Open Madrid Rome. French Open And then I know they don't have a schedule plan out after that we have account called all in which we're GonNa talk about that but if If that means it's Stockholm Vienna, Paris at the end of the year I'm Gonna I'm GonNa hit them all just because I've had so much time often I'm here to play and. Like I said again, I'm an older I, don't know how many how many I have left I wanNA make the most of it. Fairly typical from your conversations. Is what is that fairly typical from your conversations that? It's you know it's it's it's almost August here. Let's play some tennis. Yeah it's It's tough to gauge what the players. There's a handful of them that are. You know I only want to go back unless the. You know basically, we have a vaccine, it's very safe and all these rules are in play, but it's it's hard to put an exact playbook in when when no one knows. What the viruses and how it works but yeah, I'm I'm definitely more on the side of like let's get going. Let's figure it out. You know we're we're going to have a tournament. There's probably GonNa be some guys and coach. And women that. Test Positive. Hopefully, no one gets deathly ill but you know it's time to adapt and figure out how to play during this. Go back to camp and I appreciate the time and we'll we'll talk soon. Okay, thanks to Sam Query from summer. Camps left World Team Tennis in West Virginia, there were some Wifi issues as you might expect from summer camp in West Virginia but good of Sam to spend some time with us to give us a little introduction to Ford Query his son born in February and toxin shop next up Eric Hutchinson you know Eric has been on the podcast before he is A. Solo artist WHO's toured with every pop star you can think of his one of his biggest hits anyway was about his wife watching Roger Federer the watching watching him which he performed for us live in studio back when we did things like live in-studio Eric has a new album out idol class of nineteen, ninety eight. So we talk US tennis of Ninety tennis and talk about the overlap between being a solo artist. As musician and being a single player, especially what the process in what the thought process is like in in the time of Kobe so. Here's our in. Our area, they do it. I'm good. Thank you for having me. Let's talk tennis in a minute we I was thinking we have Steve Lincoln. Last week who's talking about as Sampras book it's just coming out what what's it like for you? What's it like that? Put out an album in the middle of Kobe twenty twenty. It's been frustrating experience. It's certainly not the worst thing going on in the world right now but on a personal level. Yeah it's been frustrating have had to delay the album a couple of times. and. It's a little weird. I can't can't tour right now and and do that. But. I'm just glad the album is out I. Think it's Nice to have some distractions right now and out in particular class landy eight is a bit of. Time machine back to a completely different era. So it is a nice way to sort of escape reality for a few minutes. We could use a time machine I'm guessing you're talking mostly musically that this is a a nod to the nineties and tell me. It's An alternative Brock Time Mission Union I feel like. MTV You got mad man or you know movies you can do. You can do a period piece, but it's not really done in music that much and this is like I specifically tried to recreate a nineties alternative rock album. And I wrote the songs for it and so I've just been spending a lot of times mentally in the nineties kind of remembering I was in high school at that point and. Just remembering all things ninety because I I love the nineties. But I I'm these now that I'm not in the many more. Ninety is obviously the last. The pre digital decade right. This is the last decade before the Internet becomes a full-blown thing even though you know buddy email in the late nineties but What impact has that had on music. Well. That was one of the things when we're making this album was this all about ninety stuff that I love those nineties musicians? Do Tools in editing and everything was still being played live in the studio. So we had a lot of discussions about that about trying to do as much of it locked. and. Without tweaking in definitely no auto tuning and things like that. I think there's been I. Mean I think there's lots of amazing music. Now I like to say there's better time to make music I. Think to me this this sort of style of Ninety S. Alternative. GRUNGE would. Was it. So personal to me is kind of when I was coming of age and it just feels. Nostalgic in a way that kind of like hurts my heart a little bit you know. Their Tennis Tien here arena style for Salesperson Agassi and Stephie attempts in the nineties. Yelling at it is interesting to think about now you as we're sort of. Thing from the big Ford of the Big Three of the big who knows what and there's always this thing of like it'll never be as good as this. I certainly felt that way in the nineties about sampras-agassi. I was an Agassi Guy I'm here to talk after after your last interview about the Sampras book, but I was a Agassi guy after I, read his book I understood why? was because he was tortured artists. And just didn't didn't have it all together and sort of a flawed player in person I love that about him you know. That's that's what I was drawn to all like rock and roll image thing but more just that he. He didn't win all the time. So in when he did win, it was even better. You you're okay with somebody with some dense. Think it was exciting especially. This I think tennis is always trying to like. Put this stiff upper lip and say like all we only do things a certain way in every now, and then there's sort of pushed the boundaries which I I personally think is exciting the sport and important for the squirt. We're talking about. Tennis and athletes getting back to to some semblance of normal and and making accommodations as we are as we are speaking the you know the Miami. Miami marlins are. Testing. Positive left right and center for for Co bit in baseball might be imperilled. What are you going through as? As but not an athlete, but as a musician who also to deal with things like traveling in performing indoors at all the the absurdities what's has been like for you. I mean it's been a major shutdown than in the way things are in. The, baseball stuff is is very depressing to me and frustrating, but it's also this reminder that like we can't quite get back to life as as we used to know it and and there's this you know I'm interested in trying some of these outdoor shows. People are doing things like playing at drive ins and different sorts of socially distanced audience. Participation, but there's a reminder that you can't really cheap the virus in the IT figures out what to do so. Mainly just been home and and. It's been weird for sure I miss ns live music I miss hearing other people make music making music with other people. That's the part that really is hard for me. But I can't imagine doing you know a major tournament where you're bringing people from all over the world. It just seems like. A nightmare that's why they canceled the Olympics. Right. Yeah no someone said listen. Here's what we're going to do. We got this global pandemic here. So we're going to do we're going to have a sporting event. It's going to be in Asia, but we're going to bring everyone from all over the world including fans the athletes are August and something we call a village. Step, I could scarcely have scripted something less less Kobe friendly Is anyone what thing about sports is at least you have you know there's there's a hierarchy in their leagues and their officials making decisions. I mean, what's with music who who are the gatekeepers, but who's going to decide when it's okay to go back touring who who are sort of making these? Decisions. Yeah, that's an interesting point is a lot more arbitrary. There's certainly there's people who have been getting pressed because they're doing shows. As if it were nineteen twenty nineteen and that's been a real problem you know and there's just doing a show indoors with no sort of social distancing and just. Seeing what happens and there's people that are trying all different versions of it but yet it's I think it's really for me and my world is up to the promoters into the you know the big guys like ag and live nation. They're they're trying to figure out the best ways to do it in and have it makes sense but. You see stuff like this and and Novak's exhibition. Tournament. And the to sail this is. What happens when we everyone gets together is everyone gets sick you know and so it's A. Needs to be taken seriously I suppose. You perform over zoom obscene. What did that experience like in the how? Similar similar is that to conventional performing. I've shied away from Internet performance for so long because it's usually a pretty hollow experience for me but. I've done some stuff lately, which has been more fun. AM starting to destroy these groups, zoom things, which is Actually sort of learned how to do it from a a trivia night that you and your family hosted but. To me the best part of the doing a concert online as I did surprise fortieth birthday party for someone recently. And just getting to see all of these people interacting together and I was just sort of the linchpin in the excuse to come together. That was really fun. So to see fifteen twenty families that had actually been able to interact but they got to interact you the sort of zoom and i. kind of played the moderator and sit hi everybody and let them say hi and. Ed I was really fun. So I mean more and more. I like having the music. It's something that brings people together. Tell me more about class of Tell me more about class of ninety eight. What are we listening for in? Had we by the way we need more tennis tracks what are you? What are your What are your during hits all about your wife watching? Fedor we need another screw. It's true. My wife didn't even know I. Don't think she watched very much tennis. It's my my wife is a massive tennis fan but I was actually big ninety tennis fan and About side of DC I was just saying the other day I should. Back in the called the Lake Mason I think now it's the city open or something, but I really kick myself that I wasn't going to that. It was really in my backyard but the one time I did go I got to watch Agassi and Michael Chang just practicing actually they were just like hitting. And I remember it really well, and it was it was awesome. But actually was wondering with you what was your connection tennis in the nineties? Oh Man I was tennis in the nineties. I mean, I started sports illustrated in ninety seven. We could started covering immediately I was I. worked at the It's actually right right at the same time of calendar ride I worked at the new haven event. It would I was in college I think I was in charge of the ball kids the new haven event in like nineteen ninety-two. When Stephan Edberg was your champion I'll have you know ninety, one but no I mean it's it's to me it's like the most seductive sport and. I don't know it's interesting. I don't know how you are the same and usually you get sick of something and you get jaded and and I feel like. I'm sort of in different parts of it and different players. But I'm I'm his into tennis now as I was when I was. Twenty. One years old what about you? So we'll for you as it is soon, as you get to sports illustrated I'm here to do tennis and tennis or was it like tennis seems to be an angle that makes sense and I'll I'll figure it out. Where you sleeping in breathing tennis I, never I never told you the story now right through knows I came I came right from law school refugee who came to sports illustrated supposed to do sort of legal and investigative stories and the late. Great. And he really was great frank four and said. Well you're doing fine. You could be a generalist, but you need one sport. You can really sink your teeth into and May I make a suggestion? Do you have any interest in tennis? I said Yeah actually like tennis you know Clayton I'm in tennis why and he goes Oh my God, you gotTa Cover Tennis. Everyone is crazy. And he basically said, you know if you're if you're covering a sport sort of storytelling journalistically charitably it's it's men and women and a different ages and he said it's it's kind of a wild west but it's a great story to cover because everyone's got a story in everyone's nuts and manda that That was a great piece of advice. So I sorta volunteered for everything tennis related and. Everyone wants to cover Wimbledon not everybody wants to go cover the Davis Cup tie in Milwaukee but you're in your twenties and you just want to do anything to get some run. So I sort of started as the be tennis writer and. That's Major you covered. I mean the you know you live here as well like the US Open we we count that where you Are Yeah. So I mean you know you go out to the open every year and the t would be the cost of a subway ride. I? Think. To get him dating myself the two thousand Australian Open was if I. May, dry had to get on. A plane to go cover. Wow. But you have you done have you done all four? I've never been to the Australian, but I played at the Australian Open site was opening for Kelly Clarkson. So I got to like tour around the site and we actually played like on what did you Yeah. We played her labor works, but I didn't actually get to see any matches because we were there. When you return with Kelly Clarkson I think in yeah. Yeah. So it was cool but I've been to the other ones in I did a show in Dubai that happened to randomly be the Dubai final and so we went and saw Federer Novak in. The French Open, a couple of times been Wimbledon and the one I really would like to go to some of that. Some of that clay, warm-ups tournament Madrid Monaco rat sounds pretty luxury in fund. A. It's funny. You brought up Brought up that Rod Labor you brought up a Melbourne. It's really that you watch these. You know there's there's a Pearl Jam Documentary and they drill in on Rod. Laver. I suspect Rod Laver was barnstorming. You know. Trying to decide whether he wanted to amateur professional he never thought his name would adorn arena where Pearl Jam documentaries be held but. No I'm thinking you know people say I love tennis and to me it always is. They. They sort of fall into two camps. One of his I. Love Tennis and the next thing out of their mouth as well. I never really followed it since McEnroe Borg but you know I used to love. And then the other extreme. Which people like you who you really love and you? You know you're Philipp Kohlschreiber. We hardcore I may have to give my wife Jill Graham of the credit because she really pulled me back into the sport We've you and I talked about it. You've written about my wife, but she is a massive federal fan in. A much so that it's just we've just become really huge tennis fans and and Yeah it's really fun. It's just fun to know. All these players and different from team sports. You know like I find. I'm always thinking about that and I relate to tennis. As as a singer Songwriter, we've done a lot of its solo but just this idea that you sort of are on your own and you are only as good as your trainers that you can afford to hire and and your coaches, and you know it's fast thing on the other hand also like everyone out a shot on some way or another you know. So it's it's sort of. Mayor. Meritocracy, Mary, how do you say that where it's accuracy some level. Keep keep going with that. You see these players as kindred spirits as. As I mean to me it's like. I just think about that part of it a lot like how hard it is for like a younger. Inexperienced player who doesn't have the budget to get from tournament tournament as opposed to like these big juggernauts rolling along and it's very similar to like being opening acts. To compared to like the headline in the got the tour bus, it actually gets easier the better you get at it. In some ways, you know the pressure's higher, but also like you have money to spend on making your life smoother and It's just fascinating thing about like, okay. We're GONNA play the Super Bowl Patrick moms you're on your own forgetting yourself there. You know just make sure you're there. It's wild. I mean it takes a lot of. Independence responsibility to be a tennis player. I feel like know carrier on stuff out to the court and like I just sort of loved that thing that it's. It's very singular and there's That part of it I relate to lot of just when I stepped out on stage. Doing a show by myself, there's nothing I'm not GonNa wait out the clock either you know I have to finish the show and do the songs and Yeah part of it I really love your. no-one's calling a time out for you and no one's let you pinch hitter take a couple of plays off. Yup I, mean the the you know what I think the what you were talking about before the the finances first of all I think are a reason why a lot of these careers or prolonged right when when you don't have to wait in line and Serena Williams isn't standing at the Delta Gate She's not waiting in line for her enterprise rental car right if you have an elbow injury, you can bring an elbow expert with you on the road when you hit a certain level The flip side is that we saw during his condemning that there's some players who whose names you know. are having trouble making rent. I wonder to what extent that mirrors music where? You know you were on Tour Kelly Clarkson or you you sort of? You've seen this up-close division between. The opening act in the headliner. Those divisions are quite large and I've been fortunate enough to make a good living doing this and gun very lucky along the way in a lot of ways in and. I'm just not a person that loves to blow money I. Didn't go buy a porsche or something as soon as I made some money so I've been lucky but. Yeah I mean everyone though I think in every genre of work is still. Assuming they're going to get a paycheck the next year or something you know you sort of are making. Assumptions that you'll have a job and things, and it's just fascinating to see in which jobs. You can do and what you can't do you know and and how that line is it's been drawn. It's not a line that you could have ever guessed you know. That's what's weird about tennis is in theory would think it'd be a sport that lend itself very well to social distancing. Except people are kind from all over the place and. So it's it's confusing but I don't know I mean to you if they can get the Gulf working why can't tennis happen I? Guess they're doing somebody's is a reopened. Tournaments and things like can channel. No I mean I. Think you nailed it which is the actual act of hitting tennis balls five it's and you know Mo- most golfers are clustered in one of three states. It's a little different when. Someone's showing me a map. I think that's one hundred eleven different countries where players in the US Open came from last year I, mean I think it's just all about the. Logistics of travel, and then it's D- have to quarantine. Before you come here D. F. Quarantine when you go back to your country if you saw the Austrailia Open. came out with its guidelines for twenty twenty one and right now it seems as though unless there's some sort of athlete exemption, they can get everyone's gotta quarantine for fourteen days landing in Australia. I don't know I. Mean Can in which tennis players can afford to spend two weeks in a hotel room I. Guess. About the play a major it's one thing but that's that's a complication. Yeah, that's interesting. What's Your So let me ask you this as we speak the US Open is on. Then, we head over to the Klay events that you wish you could go to one year, and then we have a French Open what's your level of interest in tennis right now? Are you? You're going to be following this. I mean the few baseball games that have have been so far makes me think the yes I'll be excited to watch sports even though it doesn't feel totally normal. It's still nice to have a distraction and I'm just out be curious to see how many players actually up. And what that means and you know everyone's all concerned about the asterix or whatever. But I don't know I. Mean to me yet exciting and IT'S I think it's cool to see us as you know as a humanity human race sort of adapting and trying to figure out how to make these things work even if they're not the. Most important things in the world. So. Yeah. I'll be excited to watch I also have a hot tip. Fiery betting man I'd be betting on Sloan Stevens across the board because I recently realized that a good friend of Mine Jen wider strong has come on as her trainer and. I just believe in her and I've seen some of the videos of Sloan. Working out and everything. So that's my hot tip for all of you guys out there Sloan Stevens to win US Open number to. Say That would make a multiple US Open Champ All right. This is great. Where can people get class of ninety eight? Can get it anywhere. He listened to music you know stream it you can download it or go to my website Eric, Dot com but I think especially for a person of a certain age that that knows the nineties it's. Fun To stall. Time machine but I think even if you don't know the nineties, I played it for some current highschoolers than they were like yeah. It's still feels like high school all the problems you're talking about are the same so. hopefully, people will dig it even if you have old school, Green Day Thanks for thanks for doing this thank you. All right thanks to SAM. Thanks to Erica droid both those conversations Jamie. It's been a while. How are you? It has I am good. I am hanging in wearing a mask like hopefully the rest of the world are you doing? Well I feel like there these tiers of of complaining and if you you know if you have your health and you have some semblance of employment, you forfeit some levels. So in the grand scheme of things no complaints but I think you know like everyone? The world is coming apart at the scenes and it will. We can only wish for the days when we could come into the office and sit across the table and maybe even. Go to the gym on the way home I think it's it's a strange period for everyone right now and we are you know sort of look at the calendar and we're five months into this already. So that's that's a long answer, but we're doing okay, were eager to. Have a little more progress on resolution here as out. I think you hit it right on the head. You. Let me ask you this. Do you have world. Team tennis fever. Yeah. I mean okay. First of all, thanks Sam Query should be on a commercial or marketing materials for the greenbrier because he really talked it up. As you have been calling it summer camp. I had no idea that there was so much to do so many activities available for the player. So it was really cool to hear him talk about going eighteen or fishing or whatever. They have them doing out there it looks beautiful and yeah, I mean it's really cool to see as Sam said people really getting getting excited about this and really there they got to be ready to play from the GECKO which I thought was a really interesting point and then you know there's a a good amount of prize money in a lot of ascent incentives at stake that they're playing for and it showing. I thought that was interesting to thought that yes, we are. We are all creatures of incentive. We wrote about this in the mail bag last week I mean there's there's real money on the table. This is not just an exhibition where you come in cash a check I. mean this is performance based in it seems as though that's having a real impact I also thought it was interesting that you sort of have this this onsite recreation and sometimes I think people have a a bit of a distorted idea of what it means to be a tennis player say, Oh, you're so lucky you get to go to. Paris Madrid and Rome and thread through all these cities of the world but it's not a so you really get to enjoy the city and it sounds. So this is an event where yes there tennis matches going on but you also go fishing and ATV ING and you get to bring your family and it's I. Think. Probably much different from a tournament where everyone loves going to the French Open and you can take your instagram and maybe off day get a nice meal but it's not as though you're taking in the surroundings away the players in West Virginia are. So now I give I give World Team tennis a lot of credit I mean there was there was an opportunity here and they took it and I think one thing. Jamie. That's going to be interesting I think this whole idea of the sports bubble and Can it work? Is it realistic? Can you contain these athletes at something that really all sports are dealing with right now some more successfully than others. And you know so far as record this no positive tests and it does seem like. World Team Tennis has essentially done what they set out to do when they launched this idea a few months ago. Right yeah. Definitely. It's interesting that World Team Tennis is ten is's I way back you know post corona trying things out because you know previously, as you said, this was sort of just a an exhibition for a lot of players in there is so much on the calendar so much going on and now all of the sudden it's become sort of the example for tennis which I find interesting and of course, you know we talked with World Tennessee. Oh, about it and on this podcast. Yeah, it's interesting to see how tennis is as of now being successful with their bubble almond. Now, of course, the big question. The US Open Yeah and I think that's that's exactly right and I think we want to draw parallels. We WanNA use words like bubble because the NBA's bubble so far has been successful baseball's non bubble has been punctured. I think. It won't take us long to sort of differentiate between. All the players on one site when they can roll out of bed and and be at the facility. I'm I'm not sure the parallels between the greenbrier in the US opener. Perfect. But I do think it's a lot. The US Open in learn I mean let's let's do what we always do during Kobe and time stamp this and say that as you and I speak The US. Open is on and from what I've heard and talking to players and talking from agents. It's really odd I mean players are starting to book their travel and players are starting to figure out sort of rooming configurations for their coaches. I can't imagine that the USDA at this point having come this far is going to say you know what we're going to rethink this they have given themselves an opportunity I think that's smart There is this sort of final final deadline which I heard was Friday. The thirty first is Friday but now It made me pushed a little more but I can't imagine at this point in the game with really so many balls in motion right now and again, play players travel not just for themselves. But their whole entourage is and figuring out spacing and quarantine, I can't imagine the USDA would pull the plug right now but I, do think that they have a real challenge and there are some similarities but this not immediately parallel to what we have at the greenbrier where everybody essentially is sleeping at the same facility where they're also playing these competitive matches so It will it will be will be interesting to see I. Mean I think we're all eager to what you and I have been saying for weeks and I realized that this has probably gotten tiresome for. For for you for for everybody for listeners for players, I mean everybody is sort of. I think we all want the same thing which is a return to tennis, but a return only if it's under. The correct and responsible conditions and You know, I I have my reservations I feel like they're two columns right and. You and I both live in in the New York area and I have to say it is unrecognized will be different right now in a lot of ways and it was in March April. May. And that said, there are still an awful lot of complications here. So I mean I. Don I don't know if you have strong feelings but. You know I feel like it's one of these things were what we want. We're all you know it's unanimous. We're we're all We're all in agreement about what we want I. Think the question is, can it be achieved under responsible conditions and I think? It was a healthy argument to be had there. Do you have strong feelings right now? Yeah I think you're right to say that this is probably become a tired conversation but every we talk about it, there's a new wrinkle or a you know something new to discuss and. Now. I agree with you. Obviously I've I've been in the. New York New Jersey area. This entire time and things do seem to be better here than other places, which of course is not how it was things were pretty grim here if you if you talk to us, you know in in April or even May on we've been discussing US Open but I am still a little hesitant agree with you that The US Open situation is not going to be like it is in the Greenbrier as right now with world team tennis and that will have in fact, I also we talked about this very early on you know there's just so many rumors of players who will will not play in. You have questioned about it in your mailbag this week about you know, how can you justify or put an abstract on a a grand slam title for someone like team or Sasha Zahra or some one of these nexgen younger players who all of a sudden turnaround and win the US Open because The likes of Federal Dollars Jovic or others are not playing I'm so I think that for me is going to be the most interesting. You know if it if it does go through I think there will be some obstacles in the US really been to. Quickly Adjust pivot when there are positive tests or breaking protocol or whatever it may be. But when we when we get down to the tennis, I'm really interested to see who actually plays We've been talking about this for awhile again, there's a lot of rumors of players who will in won't and so for me that's going to be really interesting and and I think it will also help paint A. As. We've been saying about the French Open as well. I don't know if you saw the the Lexington entry list that. The someone sent me I tweeted out. But I mean I think I think Sam articulated a lot of this. I mean there are players who were really really anxious to get out there. And the Lexington player list I mean this is this is a first year event. There's two hundred, two, thousand dollars in prize money I mean this is a a lower-tier event. And yet they're drawing players like Serena Williams. Leninist. Williams and Sloan Stevens and Coca Gov and you go down the list and what you're seeing a Sabah Langa as Aranka. This is a top flight field for an event. It's never even been held before never mind that you know. Serena. Williams usually gets more an appearance fee than the entire prize money for the tournament and to me that shows that these players they're overriding. I mean I think there's a sense of listen. I can take precautions all where my mask and wash my hands and use my hand sanitizer I need to get back to hitting tennis and that doesn't make sense Sam articulated. That as well. But. I think you're right that first of all, let stress that there's a difference between in entry list in an actual field and already Marissa's pull down I mean that that is is not final by any stretch but I you know someone predicted this to me. They said players right now are sort of laying low and they're expressing some ambivalence but when there are playing opportunities on the table. Are they really going to pass them out and if you look at the entry list for Washington DC before that event was cancelled that certainly supported that theory as well that there were a lot of top flight players were willing to play in Washington DC and you just get the feeling that players of essentially says Sam did you know what enough is enough? I'm willing to risk it and if I'm going to get back out there. I'm going to play as many events as I. There's I I keep thinking I'm dating myself, but there's there's an old Eddie Murphy comedy routine about You know you're you're in the desert you finally find a Saltine. It's the best cracker you've ever had. You know I mean I think it. Let's play I. Think of it as you know people who are on on a very basic level but people who are kind of just going out to a restaurant right now. Right? It's almost a hundred degrees hot and humid in New York City and you'll do anything you'll wait on online and you know just To sit down at a table outside and enjoy a restaurant sort of like you used to right because you have done with these players. It's almost it's way more than that. Because as we've discussed, they need to make money. You know this is not just I just WanNa play tennis this is I haven't for the for most of these players I haven't. Seen A paycheck in a long time and I've you know been here training not really knowing when I'm training. You know what I'm trained four one I'm coming back and when they're something on the calendar especially something that is you know in the US or maybe a drive away or something that that as you said, that can be done safely in their minds i. really it makes a Lotta sense as to why we're seeing So many players in the tournaments that didn't even exist before twenty twenty. Jamie that's so sick. I'm supposed to be the cynical on. This is so off brand but but I would also say apart from the money and I think they're right I. Think you're you're absolutely correct that again, we are creatures of incentives and. A lot of players haven't had a paycheck but apart from that I think is a very practical reason to play, which is that it is really hard to have this kind of a sabbatical basically to have a junior year abroad and then go immediately and play the US Open in the case of men it's best to. It's a major it's got a heat of New York. It's hard courts. These players need warm up events and I I mean I'm surprised that not every player is is entered in this Cincinnati event that's going to proceed the US Open. I mean the notion of having six months off and some of this is about conditioning in some of this is just sort of Psychologically, some of this is just self confidence the idea that you'd have six months. Sabbatical and immediately play a major. In everything that comes with it and the half and the history and the rhythms, and the notion that you know you have to win seven matches in the case of the men, twenty sets of tennis. I I just feel like how do you walk into that cold? So I think you know. That's Possibility of a paycheck that is lowering these players but I think also. It's just nuts to me that you would restart your season at a major. A stranger. Of course, that's the other thing that's going to be interesting when these tournaments do come back and we've talked about this is now what are you most looking forward to it that competitiveness in the technical skill in the fitness levels? I. Mean. All of that stuff is going to be so much more of a factor than it used to be just because everyone's coming from such different points, you know I think players already were you know tailoring and tapering different. Points of the season based on their age, their experienced multiple ornaments on their calendar year. Now, this sort of put everyone at the same starting line which I don't know if that actually ever happened before you know I mean we do think of the Australian Open as the beginning of the year, but they are players who? Play tournaments. Winter, you know all December in their players who their first one back is you know a tune up in Australia right right ahead of of. The Australian Open so it's it's really interesting that now all of a sudden you know these players going to be back at a very You know back at a point where they're kind of on the same level. I think you're right I think which players are back is. You know that remains to be seen I've also heard two very different schools of thought about how these events are going to play out. and. Somebody. Suggested to me that this is going to be and I don't know maybe you have thoughts here Again, I'll as as an elite athlete also as someone who follows us, I mean there are two thoughts. One of them is that this is going to be an absolute crap shoot in the same way Kim Clijsters can come in at age thirty seven as a mother of three, and you know be the the MIDSEASON MVP of World Team tennis and beat the most recent major champion. That absolutely, every player in the draws going to have a chance to win this, and this is going to be the most open tournament ever and the other school of thought, somewhat former player who has talking to the other day said. Don't be ridiculous. That's not going to be the case at all. This is really gonNA serve. This is really going to favor the strong players and the favorites and the usual front runners and that it's the US Open to go down the list and it's it's Moo Goo it Serena Andress and It's the top players who have had who are just. Objectively, probably better players and also have had the means to. Travel, first class and higher personal trainers, and that these drugs are going to have more chalk than ever so that they're two very these are both credible people. Both both former players and they have very different ideas of how this is gonNA shake out. One of them says there's going to be the most open. You'll ever see and anyone can win and the other is saying absolutely not. These draws are going to have more chock than ever because the favorites have built in advantage is I don't know if you have thoughts on that. Yeah. You know we've talked about this too and it's interesting to hear both sides of that and in in my heart in my gut, what I feel is I have to go on the side of being more open than ever I just think that you know I agree that the top players definitely have the advantages you know in terms of whether it's as you say, the private flights or training or whatever it is. But the fact of the matter is is that they've always had that right and they've always had this advantage. But there's something about this time on that I think. You know for for certain players lower level There's just I. Don't WanNa say there's this desperate feeling or just I just feel like everyone sort of clawing their way and trying to figure it all out and I think that it's going to really open things up I think it's anyone's game because as I said, there's a a level playing field of sorts in terms of. this this break in this hiatus that happened with tennis all around the world in I just feel like everyone has had a different experience with the coronavirus with everything going on and I think that will bring out qualities in people that maybe we haven't seen before and I think that will shake things up a bit. So I'm on that side I don't know where you stand. I think that's really interesting and I think you're right I. Mean I think the other great wildcard of course was just who's GonNa play? It's pretty clear federal. We know is not and it doesn't look like not. Inclined to play the US Open I mean honestly probably doesn't make a whole lot of sense given that a full vote of clay events. In in Europe media words. Jovovich is You know I've I've heard mixed things on that. So I think some of this is just going to be a function of WHO's in the draw, but I will say one thing that's interesting. The US Ta has been and I think again overall I give USDA very high grades here I think they've been on this I think they have not been sort of blinded by by money or Desire to sort of unconditionally start. There's been a real attention paid to science. I mean I I think Jamie you and I had Dr Brian Hey line on in April, and it was clear that the science and the data and the trends we're going to be what else really guided this. So again, I I give a lot of credit to the USDA and they've had these these calls quite frequently with. All sorts of different constituents with players, agents with the tours, and it does seem like there's some flexibility here and they're changing I think depending on as as of now I was told that depending on where you're coming from, that might change your rooming configuration, and if you come from a hot zone, if you're coming from Florida, you may not be able to have a roommate the same way you. Might if you were coming from Western, Europe so it seems like there's some flexibility built in. But one thing they've been adamant about is they are not changing format. They are not going to best of three sets for the man and I think part of that is a real desire to sort of keep this half of a major and essentially say look there's going to be enough. That's wacky about this. No matter what starting with the Africa fans, we are going to do everything in our power to sort of. Keep our GRAVITAS here. So I I think you're right I I tend to think it's as much a function of the field as anything else. But I I do think it's entirely possible we're going to have. remember who said it jokingly last week some of the or David go FAZ champion. I am I would be more inclined. Bertini wins it would not surprise. We just pick a name, any fifty names but I do think the USDA and the tournament itself is going to do everything in their power to sort of retain as much normalcy as possible I. Can we get rid of the word normalcy as a? Non We're at. As a side note but no, it's it's going to be. The whole thing is going to be really sort of voyeuristic interesting and again you just hope this is. And how timestamped. But you do hope this is the NBA and the bubble. When the the big scandal is a player who leaves and goes to a strip club for chicken wings and not baseball where you have the majority of an entire team testing positive. So You know it's you know I think the as I understand to the USDA's fully prepared for? A player or multiple players to test positive and there's a policy in place. and. There's tracking and they're going to air on the side of caution. They are not If you test positive, you're not playing you're match and if it's a if it's a false positive deal to consequences later but The flip side is the confidence that as of now they are confident that they can pull this off. So We shall see. This will be a US Open like no other. But again as I speak, it's a going concern. We we await the decision as we have been for. I will I will say months we've been. Talking about this. So it'll be really interesting. It'd be a lot of adjust adjustments along the way, but the thing that I'm most looking forward to you is some US Open. Tennis. Yeah I think we can all agree on that and I think. It will be nice to get back to talking about results and points and. Chases and who's playing well, and who couldn't hold the lead I feel like everything has been anyway. You know you'd expect us to be the case and it's certainly not unique to tennis but you know Kyle Edmund Hits Dan Evans racket too hard I. Don't know if you saw that and that dominates the tennis news and. Indie Kerber returns to Torben Belts and you would have thought that You know this was Pete Sampras retirement announcement. So it will be nice to have a little more proportion and get back to talking about match results not who's tapping who's racket with a little too much Rio All right that That does it for today what are we end there and We will have another guest. Next week. And hopefully, by then we will have a firm answer on the US Open. Neither of this will be formalized with some sort of announcement from the USDA or else. There will be a fairly radical about-face because right now. A lot of players are making hotel reservations. All right that does it for this week. 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