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FTL Digest 2021-06-28

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27:20 min | 3 months ago

FTL Digest 2021-06-28

"Here are the highlights from the latest episode of free talk live visit freetalklive dot com for the full episode. There still a part a pre party here at the campground every single year. People show up. You know like the weekend before and that party has no name. It's just people showing up early hanging out starting to get set up and having a good time. Then there's the porcupine freedom festival in the forecast which happens a year a week after. Maybe we should fork fest from somalia fast and have the have the pre pork fest party somalia fast and low post pork fest party which i don't recommend saying ten times fast Be forecast that's exactly what Shown suggested and. I really liked the idea. I think that's probably the most effective way of doing it. Which would put forth fast. Next year is being june. The eighteenth through july the thirtieth That's the wednesday. After i mean after that you know the normal people. Start the non libertarian. Start coming in the vibe changes. Suddenly you know things start going missing occasionally and stuff like that campground business clean because the libertarians here are notoriously. Good at cleaning up behind themselves. well we believe in ownership of property which means that if you leave something behind you are responsible for that. Yes so divide changes after wednesday in. It becomes just different this year. There's no live music to culminate the end of fork fast as it were and it just seems like it may be a better idea because we're also going to be working more closely with the porcupine freedom festival this year to create the biggest and best festival that we can and it seems like we can work with them to have both the pre party and the after party both of them. Just sorta called fork fest. Because that's probably the simplest way of doing it and categorizing fork fast as something that occurs from june june eighteenth. Through june the thirtieth. But i don't know. I you know i'm still talking with people about it and it's going to come down to. What do people want. You know. Because i mean it's not really what they want. What are people doing. I guess is the most important thing because coming up here earlier. Not and are you staying past wednesday or not and it seemed like most people came up here. Early and most people are not staying past wednesday so let let's capitalize on that in the way that a good anarchist would unless say all right. Well those are dates then because that's when we're going to be there so let's promote that the pre party and the after party. That's what i'm leaning toward right now. Of course i'm not in charge of this. I'm just you know one of the one who's going to be promoting the dates over the next year but anyone can set the dates as you said to be. Whatever they want. Saturday night was amazing for me. Because i ended up judging the the rent competition the soapbox idol competition and i didn't expect that i was just there prior to the thing and carlo approach meals. Hey do you wanna be my third judge. I was sure why not and that was when we sorta buried the hatchet but at my first porcupine freedom festival for years ago everyone became aware of me when i did soapbox idol competition. Everyone thought i won that year. I didn't i actually play second but the the the was that the lgbt that you did then it was nice and then four years later or three years later it. This is my fifth four fast. But it's my fourth year if that makes any sense using in my head that same here This is my fourth pork fest because my my initial experience of new hampshire was pork fast. But it's that means. I've been here for three years. Yeah but i was thinking about that the other day. I was like wait a minute. If this is my fifth porcupine freedom festival then that means i was here in. That means i came here. Two years with will coley and then went back to mississippi. But i didn't. I only did that for one year. So i had to sit back and actually think about how all of this crap works and i was like okay yes four years ago was my first one. But this is my fifth one and that's hard to figure out on the floor. You lost me. It's always a hot issue here. We need to buy rogers campground. But no one is doing it. And i am at my wit's end for people sitting here saying we should buy this place. Well put a plan together and by the place. So here's here. There's a couple of problems with that. Actually so he will have tried to buy. Actually and some of the issues are that there. There are certain there's certain documentation has not been kept on rogers campground taxes and things like that impede but because that kept you can't get a mortgage on it. I am aware that the people who have the money to put the down payment on it. Kim bite as a result and they're also asking you're thinking in terms of oh. Let's take out a loan from the bank for one and a half million dollars and by the place. There were three thousand libertarians here saturday. No-one put any effort into saying. Hey we're creating a fund raiser to buy this place so that we can keep doing this instead of you know what the future holds which is someone else is going to end up owning this place. It's a lot of money. It is a lot of money but if you spread that out across three thousand. Libertarians is not as much money but no one's interested in doing that. It's not but they just wanna keep freaking talking about how somebody's to buy. This place should be us. Then do it. There's been serious. I know there has a serious conversation but no one has done a damn except mark edge. And that's who you're referring to. He's the only one who's putting any effort in actually acquire talks. There were negotiations the twice. Believe and it just it just. They couldn't come up. They couldn't come up with what needed to happen. Because of the paperwork sometimes things take good things. Take time you know. It certainly could still happen. And i'm not saying it won't but it won't happen if people keep saying. We need to buy rogers campground saying okay. I'm going to develop this plan. And i'm not going to be the one to do it. I have no interest in doing it to me whether or not someone else buys. Rogers kept grunted. They're like no. We don't want the festivals happening here. Fine we'll find a different place to do our festivals at. I'm not emotionally a lot easier. Said than done. Yeah does i mean really if you say hey look we want to bring in five hundred people to have a festival and all of these are paying customers. No one's going to say no to that. I mean you don't have the you'd have to develop the infrastructure and the oscar campgrounds in new hampshire. Chris large enough. That's the problem okay. Watches the largest campground in new hampshire. Which is why it's here right or it has been held at smaller campgrounds. In the past the event was smaller than it will just have to be a smaller event if no one buys rogers and the next owners are hostile to the freedom movement. I i'm not emotionally tied to rogers campground or the three thousand attendee. Porcupine freedom emotionally tighter to. Rogers came background specifically to be honest. I mean know this is the this is that great of a campground. It's dilapidated things are falling apart. I gotta say though the only people. I'm not upset to see gone. Are those annoying. Bitcoin maximalists that sat right there. Seven hours every single day about a subject that they know nothing about you know is funny about that is i. I didn't really see that too much. But i've heard i've heard from other people and they got called out like constantly by by like other people. It was pretty funny i i. I was strongly considering grabbing the microphone at one point because they have a life q. And a. session at the sincerely thought about going up there and just grilling these people because they were bitcoin. Maximalists huge advocates of the lightning network. Which from what i can tell is pretty much the sign of a bitcoin maximalist it. They say oh lightning network okay. Yep you're a maxine and you're probably dumb you know it's it's interesting but uninformed and not not very well versed in crypto currencies noticed. There's a lot of people who are like bit queen or bitcoin maximalists. Or i wouldn't say that But lightning green fans have actually At least in our community have actually been like. Oh y'all except you know montreal accepts. Bitcoin cash i'll accept dash. So it's kind of interesting because it seems like a lot of the people who are not in new hampshire who are lightning clean lightning network fans are more so Type that have never accepted cryptocurrency. Have never spent crypto. Then never used it. Even though they're advocating for the lightning network. chris redman who used to host. The show describes himself as a bitcoin. Maximal not but he will accept other. Even if you just go. I don't think he i've never heard that. But even if he is he's not because he accepts other but he immediately conversed them back into bitcoin. Okay all right. it's still don't sound like a maximalist him. He's a maximum maximum. Listen i'm not gonna argue with fair. That's fair. I don't know i mean like and that's the thing like in new hampshire. It seems like even the people who might be bitcoin. Maximalists are willing to accept other cryptocurrencies. Well they're not gonna turn away paying customers. I like manera. And and i'll and i'll say i like minero too. I like Privacy coins but at the same time. I recognize that you know. Our infrastructure is not there to support you know merchants accepting monaro so mean last year. I was the only person here who was spending minero. I minero this year last year. But yeah no i know what you mean but the thing is like until you have the the merchant integration beat. It's hard to this point of giving the people had minero logos all over their office yet. They're protocol the ones that relied upon most heavily here at fort. Fast and in keinaenen portsmith doesn't support minero so would almost make the argument that any pay at least in regard to using privacy coins has been holding us back. Its it's standing the also work they've done you mentioned Pirate coin yeah. There were representatives of them. Here right down there. Doing pirates set the screen. And you always pretty cool. It was cool kind of funniest. Show the same movie single series four owen. Here's here's the he's going to bring up that That was just really funny because the cold pirate coin but they bought the rights to the movie and it was like i asked him. Hey i might be able to get you like pirated versions of pirates. The caravan it they clearly don't know this audience. Maybe it should announced that they bought the rights. They actually bought from disney the rights to broadcast. I think they did the licensing thing so as if they were theater right. And so that's buying the right. It's not just but they both play the movie for a minute. Cowards disney rep goodness. You can't do. That is the place to be afraid about people reporting ya and everything that's crazy i didn't know that and they're they're the ones who are schilling. Pirate coins these are not able. He deleted data listeners. This is really blake. I enjoy free. Talk live but i know you do too but finding time to listen to an entire episode isn't always easy so i produced the daily digest. I appreciate those of you who have supported me on patriae on and sent bitcoin to me to thank for producing these digests for those who wish to support me on patriotic visit patriot dot com slash c. r. Blake eight six if he wished to send bitcoin visit patriot. Dot com slash. Cr blake eight six for those details. That's patriot dot com slash. Cr blake eight six. Thank you for drug dealer. Isn't not expecting to get caught. They're expecting a call eventually. What they need to do is extend the time period before they actually get caught and something like bitcoin does that. Even though it's not anonymous right something like my narrow does that even though it is anonymous but they still have that risk because they have to send out a package and that package has zip code on it so you at some point with enough data you can start going back and filming you know Schaller oxes for where you put the mail in descended the drugs and eventually you can figure out who it is so even reality is that the vast majority of crypto currency transactions including minero are completely above the board and completely legal. I would jump to selling drugs as you know. This thing about crypto cocoa financial privacy. Right nigeria. i'm not trying to do drugs. Just mediums game. When you talk about. It's true i've seen immediately jump into selling drugs. I just want to buy a cup of coffee without the federal government. Knowing what i bought and why i bought want to be left alone. I don't want the government or anybody to see what i do on a daily basis. This you know privacy is super important to who we are but You know the abilities. Use crypto currency as Opened up all these doors to maybe what we could have done. And maybe that falls onto the drudge but my only point with that was to say that it's not always about you know having complete privacy. It's simply about extending them out of time. That which you have a privacy for about minimizing the security risks that come with not having privacy scheider society declaration as a personal declaration of independence is not meant to be a sorta gate keeping thing to keep people out to be honest. I'm actually perfectly all right with the idea of 'gate-keeping in the sense of can you abide by the non aggression principle what the vast majority is yes no. it isn't the vast majority of libertarian. Who have attended this festival throughout the last week. Do not one hundred percent adhere to the non aggression principle. Oh great majority of them are classical liberals. Some of them are republicans. I don't want to turn those people away simple because we have these new tyrants who want to control who can accounting the park. Okay we might have to. I mean like. I'm saying wild. You are here. That is the rule. Well that's the rule anyway. No it's it's a sheet of paper in a statement from people. Saying i will not aggress against anyone while attending this festival thing that we all kind of agree on so when we see that out of place question this person or something like that. So we're we're as a community where looking You know from the perspective like oh this guy probably doesn't either know or use obviously violating These these principles and people who tried come here. Who have never heard of libertarianism. Or they not a good boy actually too far off topic of the the buying of the place. Bai's mostly it's important if we're if someone is going to buy the place i don't i don't want them to immediately turn away everyone who they consider to be. Not a real libertarian. Because every liberal. I've ever met is. The only real libertarian. Right like job is just telling us about this meeting where people were discussing. Rogers campground and one of the various. They don't even have the power yet but they're already planning on ways that they can use this power to shape the festival into being exactly what they want it to be. No you're You're missing what i was saying. Is that like a look. We usually have simulation if you move into a new place that you you. Don't you know piss off the the the people that are there and that's kind of a thing like you should be able to have some sort of what do you call it. process sort of citizenship requirement sample. No look this is already society. You might be fork citizens. Please sign this sheet a hallway if you were stealing people's money and running people over or really even coming close to running people over. I'm very happy with the idea of making sure those people don't come back. I am also fine with that. With is 'gate-keeping and requiring things from everyone to come in until they've shown that you know they are bad actors or incapable of abiding the non aggression principle allow them become eleven to stay with. This is still a private venue. Still be a private venue right so big. It's like that require anyone to assign any kind of bs about how they will or won't do this or that and well. That depends on whether you're visiting or staying. It's true someone does need to figure out some sort of way to by rodgers campground. yes yes. they're they are planning on building through a blockchain to get these things these values set and to So they're gonna try to do like quilt coin like wilco dot. In which is where. They're you know. Hey by this crypto currency. And in so doing you can you're donating to the buying roger campground fund that sort of thing. I don't. I don't want to speak on that. I don't know exactly on how that's all going to come down but there are other people who could probably talk about that but Yeah i think what they're they're being planned right now is the raise the funds and they were talking about some guy that was rumoring that he was going to buy the place and just let it Handed over and get to where it needs to be where we can always be here so Well you can always be as it is well. Yeah we do have people who live here. At rogers campground no depend on this ends up In the hands of someone who doesn't want us here we'll even then i mean we. We talked about this previously. I just don't think that's likely I mean if you can bring it in three thousand people who are willing to pay for sites or pay for a day pass or whatever. Why would you turn that festival away. I think it's the festival is one thing. But i think it's beyond that is people want to live here all year so this is a very small number of people who want to live here. Well well that's true. But there's a lot of people already buying the homes here. I probably sound to listeners. Like i have really trust issues and that's true. I'm not going to night whether you're a libertarian. Or a communist or a politician or whatever. I don't trust you to have any power over me. The number of people who i do trust to be authoritative and one area of my life or another is extremely low To the tune. That the only person who i would trust to actually by this campground and run in a libertarian. Way which ideally would not involve allowing requiring people to abide by this principle or that sheet of paper or whatever would be someone like mark edged or an freeman or ron paul that that's the level to which i distrust people's like maybe those three people and not very many others because i've seen what libertarians do when they have power no matter how principle they are pork fest ended up the way. It was because of libertarians So no matter how principle they were they still ended up with pork rangers that were searching vehicles and and whining about not having jurisdiction over fork. Best yeah we tend not to treat power like the drug that it is and it is. It is a highly addictive and highly destructive drug. It is and i. Approach any libertarian. Who wants power with a certain degree of trepidation. More so when they don't even have that power yet. And they're already conceiving of these grand ways in which they can use that power. I hate not being able to speak in plain english but of course that's how the law is. It's written by attorneys for attorneys to be argued by attorneys. you think libertarians are argumentative and prone to picking. What's the word i'm looking for. Nitpicking nitpicking is a good word but splitting narrows the now splitting hairs but libertarians. Have nothing on attorneys man. No like well so they on the other hand get paid immense sums of money and hey the more they do it. Hey now. I could advertise. Look what a great hair. Splitter i am so there's some confusion up i assumed i would be able to make phone calls with ian. That's not correct. According to the magistrates. I can text in. I can email in. And i can meet in person and have conversations with ian but phone calls are not allowed because they weren't mentioned in the actual order itself just banging my head the desk i understand it we. We did not specific talk on the phone a lot in the first place. What if i go and meet him. And while i'm in the room with him i call him would that be. I mean that's just sounds crazy because if it says you can talk with him. It sounds like you're both allowed to use to contact. We can have email contact and we can have text messaging contacts. And it's not because they're worried we can do something over the phone that we can't do in person or via text or email or anything like that it's because the order itself specifically does not say via phone call. Chris says you're now planning to move or your now considering moving to new hampshire. Yeah yeah definitely. that's awesome. I caution everyone. you know. That new hampshire isn't the porcupine freedom festival or pork fast or fork fest. Whatever you wanna call it. There are a lot of a lot of liberty loving people in new hampshire. But it's not always just a party and pork fest tends to be a party. Plus it's not always this warm. It's like where do you currently live. I live in michigan. North of detroit. Okay so let's cold usurp it'll be nicer here. Well welcome to new hampshire. How long have you been aware. I mean what brought you out here this year versus other years. Well i wasn't actually aware of pork vest until Earlier this year. I did know about the free state project because i worked as a volunteer. In the ron paul campaign in two thousand seven is when i first heard about it okay. So you've been in libertarian. Circles for quite a long time quite a long time. Yeah and but you didn't know about pork vest not really i. I knew about the free state project in general. But i wasn't following it super closely. I had a lot of stuff going on in michigan. So it wasn't really in my In my radar to move from michigan but sure and this is the one of the great things about pork fest and forecast. Is that people. Get to come up and meet other like-minded people for the first time. And i mean a lot of people not just a small small group of people a few people here and there at a political. You know meeting or something like that. I wore ask for a little while you know very early on just in case and you know i've never been anti mask but i have been anti Anti government mandating masks. What we had it. Easy here in new hampshire. Things went as easy in michigan. From what i've heard no definitely not We've had mass mandates for a long time and The state isn't still fully opened up until july first room. So we're still on like we have restrictions for capacity and buildings and stuff like that still. It is open more than it was where. You're just not allowed to do anything. I had being arrested owner. I know other restaurant owners in the area and we kind of had some speakeasy is going on so we could still socialize where it was just coming through the kitchen. You know in the back door so we can actually hang out and socialize and not go insane sitting in our house so do awesome party on new year's eve that had something close to one hundred or so people at it out on the main highway two and it was. It was quite a good time in the midst of the mask. Mandates and all that just floated our refusal to obey. It's interesting hampshire. There's been two things in the last ten years. We've seen an increase in like people. Moving to new hampshire over one of them has been the mass cova. The government's reaction to it and the news reaction was almost as bad as any other governor. But the difference. Is that in new hampshire. We're making progress and people understand that coming together can change things and if we're all spread out it doesn't change sure. Some states are better on masks. But they're not better on other things like firearms or they're not better on you know things like weed or whatever. I don't think there's a realistic chance of joe biden dropping nukes. I think he's just joe biden. He's old and senile and he runs off at the mouth. I think that's really what's going on here. But he he does cause other problems. Us military action against three facilities. Along the iraq syria border resulted in a number of deaths. And that's what i've always argued. If the powers that be one an expansion of war they're going to elect a democrat. And this is what we this is what surprised me so much about. The trump administration is that it's it's horrifying to even think but the reality is that trump was the most peaceful president we've ever had and he gladly a mexican immigrant. I'm talking to me in matters of war. Fahrenheit right not not immigration but he wasn't really any worse or better than joe biden or barack obama regarding administration. I look i hate saying anything positive about donald trump but he didn't start any new war through and that alone. That shouldn't be the minimum bar on being the peaceful president. Get i definitely don't get why people Go to just fork fest and pork fest. But it does happen it. does i get it. The environment it. The social structure of it is very very different like network. You find freedom. Festival is very family friendly every single day of the week. You've seen nothing but just kids running around at a lot of them at the park. Which just coming and going there are significantly fewer children here today. And that's because fork fast is by and large party right. I mean we work here and vendors work here but most people don't there's well no i'm going to have to push back on your. They're like Everyone has a side hustle. Here i mean. That's that's partially true. But i mean everyone well it's hyperbole sure but i mean there are just so many people that will sell some food sales impedes sell. T shirt sell You know just kind of thing which i mean. Festivals are expensive fun but expensive. And you actually get a chance to recoup some of the costs that Of being here if you've got a side hustle that's true and that was one of the things i learned my first year here. Is that if you're not doing anything to earn money you are just bleeding money And there there are plenty of ways to mitigate that one person a lot of kids in particular Pro prevented their own bleeding money. 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Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

The Falcoholic

59:29 min | 2 years ago

Ep 60: It's time to pay Grady Jarrett and Julio Jones

"Back up the Brinks truck to his house. Just dump it all off. I don't care what they have to do. Holyoke? Jones amazing. I want him on my team forever. Welcome to another episode of the falcons podcast the official podcasts at the falcons on the SP nation podcast network. I am DWI. This. Always I am joined by my co host. Here we go the gym dogs for spur name. The tar Gary NFL consider the quake drama girl Facebook messenger. The trash talker supreme the one and only touchdown balls. She who not be bossed, Gina, Madeleine, Thomas Gina. It's been a longtime. How're you doing? I'm doing great. I'm happy to be back on the Mike talking about the falcons, we've got a lot of stuff to talk about which is a nice change of pace here on the off season. It is it is we we've sort of defaulted to the crossfire podcast for the while which has been a lot of fun, and we have defaulted to it because they have a lot of fun. But we do have a lot to talk about in on that note. Joining us today is one of our writers from the falcons dot com. He's one of my favorites. When a personal favorites, you know him for his in-depth analysis pieces and his his gift Jif gifts. Jeff, whichever his gift reviews on Twitter. Just probably started other Twitter fight over how the pronounce that is Bill while, but we're glad to have Alan Cirque back on the official podcasts. Alan how you doing man. It's to us nineteen is still the law said, so. Gene is gift or Jif? Well, the crater says that it's a hard G, and I would tend to default to the person who holds the electoral property. I think that if he thinks it's a hard g it's a gif. I'm not gonna get into fights about this like hotdogs and says I'm just going to say, it's my preference to say gif, if you say Jif, I'm not going to crack you I think to each his own. Let's just all live and let live. Absolutely. We're gonna leave that there. Because that is that is the fight that I just don't have the energy for. But we have got a hot to talk about because in the off season. The falcons have made some moves. They've some were expected some are unexpected we are basically at the time of this recording. We are less than two days away from the start of the official two thousand nineteen NFL season. Which also means the start of free agency official free agency not the tampering period. Like we're in right now. So I wanted to start first guys with the cuts. We we have not had a chance to talk about this on the podcasts. And some of these are pretty significant, and I wanna start at the very top with the name that I think many fans were caught off guard by many fans are still upset by if you sort of scan it, but in a funny way, many fans sort of understood this move by the falcons, and that was the team cutting longtime fantastic kicker Matt Bryant. Actually, they didn't cut him. I think we should clarify that for those who are wondering they just did not pick up his option for the two thousand eighteen season which technically makes him a free agent. They just they let him go ahead of time that they were locking to pick up that option Sajid, I'm going to start with you first on, you know, your thoughts about Brian whether or not you saw this coming what you think about this move since Bryant's going to be forty four. This may obviously it's an old age for football. You and I both know it's an old age. And okay. Quite there but met Bryant is not a young, man. So your thoughts on a mat Brian this. Well, I mean, obviously, I was very sad to see Matt Bryant go. I mean, he's been such an integral part of so much the team success since he came here. I love him as a person I love him as a player, but when you look at his cap it when you look at the performance of tobacco when he had to fill in for Brian's, and he was spectacular. And so I think when you look at the fact that the falcons could save money by doing that. And that Bryant's career has a finite amount of time left in it. I think that it does make sense to go to somebody younger save a little bit of money, especially considering the cap situation. So I don't like it. But yeah, I get it. Alan your thoughts Jeanne abrupt Vecchio, do you think he was a major factor in the team deciding to move on from the the longtime kicker. Remember the Monday night game has to giants. He made like fifty three archaic that made it to possession game. Oh, is it was reliable based on the few games? They played it in. I know things didn't go quite right in Oakland. But he showed some promise there. I think the one big concern about the movie just met Brian is probably one the eight reliable kickers football. As no kickers guests bear fans. Guess like fans that good hall you for many years ago. Buffs fans as well. Hopefully, don't spend a second pick one. But it's on a stable move. It's under still it does not allow liability at the kicker position Bryant breeze. It's you even though he is spoilt four. But look at the colts have Terry. I know he's alleged. But he's somebody that still kick out also results seal pans out at if velcro is reliable as is or at least the organization Bolivia's, the people get over the loss pretty quickly and tobacco by comparison. Believe is twenty nine maybe thirty years old. So he still has a lot of years ahead of him again, assuming that he? He continues to play. Well, like he did last year. And I I do think personally he was a big factor in this. I think the writing was on the wall when they signed him to a two year contract. I think a lot of fans thought okay, they're going to bring both guys in the camp and let them compete. But at some point, you know, the fifteen year difference between them I think that it was just too much to ignore. And the fact that Bryant did get injured, you know, I think it made the team look at his health and take that into strong consideration. Because I'll tell you guys when you get up to your your mid forties. The healing does not happen. Nearly as fast as it does. When you're in your twenties thirties, it takes much longer to heal from the the Nag's in Bunsen bruises that you you suffer. So. Danny how we're gonna move on the Matt Brian. I think is is similar fans. If you guys have any additional thoughts you want a reminisce about some of the stuff that he's done for falcons Goto, alcohol dot com. Do believe we've got some articles dropping in the very near future talking about Matt Bryant and commiserate with your fellow fans. The next on the list in element go that you first on this one. Because honestly, he is he is a player that are fans have absolutely hated or have eight and and he he arguably had one of his worst seasons in two thousand eighteen I don't think anyone's going to argue with that. But that is Robert Alford. He is obviously already been picked up a by the Zona cardinals. Again, a rough two thousand eighteen but I feel like and you and I've had this conversation before I think we're sort of on the same page with where Alfred concern I feel like they hated him more than he deserved. So what are your thoughts on Alford what he meant to the team and sort of that long going perception about him being a bad player heavily penalize you're gonna get their reputation. They offered especially coming into league Beckett's thirteen or fourteen at first us over all tr- aggressive. But then you'd also by the lose, but then calmed up with sixteen started year ten pounds. He's the first big games are pal. Andrew Hirsch posted. Crazy step than the last eight games in the Super Bowl run helium three penalty. So heavily penalised said burn every hour. The distance highlight this moments where you're on the receiving end the pilots people. It's always miss together your mind, but I thought offered best seasons actually tell seventy really. Up his game on their forget that book Rams where he was blocking up semi Watkins where he was covering the I always thought he got criticized for too often just because of his style because he is aggressive any pillow, grabbing, but you know, it having that number two corner that somebody's gonna make plays as when that's gonna be overall reliable. You'll see a lot of those offer was rightfully re-signed twenty sixteen in give he was definitely liability in. It's justifiable move to cut because at this plant trying to get young position that we know the over wasn't always Quinn's guy. They drafted John constitutes fifteen. Osceola. Alber now choice. Great way to summit up Allen. Print off for though, he persevered because I think that kinda wanted to eventually fade away from but he held his own. Go which best Arizona if you saw that contract. They still believe in abso- how. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Big numbers, gene. Any additional thoughts on offered in his departure. I mean, I liked rob LA. And I think that he. I think that over his time here. Yeah. He'd commit a lot of penalties. But he also made a lot of big plays. Like, he was a fun player watch. He's very athletic as extremely fast and one thing that I do want to encourage everybody to do edited this today, and it's going up tomorrow by our own odman. I catch he wrote just kind of a retrospective about alford's creer, and it's really interesting to look back because his good years were really good. And he really was a difference maker. And the thing that I'm going to remember robber Alford by as definitely that pick six in the Super Bowl. I really think I mean, I remember sitting in our DC offices next. A Harry Lyles, and Harry, and I were like we were talking about how we are going to get that photo of Tom Brady on the ground and Alfred running it back into the end zone. We were gonna get it like fringed on canvas. And we were going to hang it in our houses as arch, and I'm telling you, I was de serious. And that thing would be hanging my house until I die if we won that game. So that is my fondest memory of Alford, and that is the one that I'm always going to think of him. Next on the list. Gina will start with you on this one. And he. Interesting signing. I think when when he first came in I feel like he's he was reliable. He was never a big contributor. But when he played he played decently. And that was Brooks read, I think many people saw this move coming his cap hit this year was going to be a bit more than what you would wanna pay for someone who is just a rotational piece. I don't think anyone is crying river over him. But whether your thoughts on read and his short stint in Atlanta. Well, you know, I think that read would have been more of an impact player and Atlanta and over the course of career if he hadn't struggled injury the way that he had he had a lot of injury issues while he was here. And I really think you know, the the team signed him first potential. I think ceiling was always very high. But that's really what held him back. I just want to take a very quick moment to just give some respect to Brooks reads hair, which. Tackler just really lovely. Those owning gold locks. I just I have so much respect for this man's hair. And must also take a quick moment. Suppor- one out for the accident on the name that I gave Brooks freed during training camp when I was typing on my phone, and I forgot my sunglasses. It was so right outside, and I was very sledding hydrated and Brooks teed people have never let it out. So I think migrating crate us wish for free this that he's able to keep that hair. And also that people will now forget that I called him Brooks teed cow. The falcons community is not good about things. Oh. They're not. Hearing about this one for years. So yes, but anyway breakfast, very nice. And I wish him all the best, but the cut makes sense because of the cap situation, and because of the fact that injuries have just really hindered. His ability to be a consistent player for them. Ellen four words for you. Brooks read spin move the glorious move on. Twenty six twenty seven the things people forget about books that he was at work course, what he was healthy like they had a reliable because Claiborne wet down during the Super Bowl run and free me of only place must snaps givens age they books, really. Snaps in. He give up see was limited. But you could ever question motoring. I thought twenty sixteen twice puts a good years together. But this year kind of decline a little based in c make that statement. Peggy was a great pass rusher. But equally make for please. But a ethical hurl. I know the signing was heavily criticised back in twenty fifteen. But I think we'll roll he'd panel four seasons in was injured pro the we look back at that Super Bowl kinda like all he was big time contributor. Yeah. I feel again like he's not a player people were passionate about I've never felt like he was a bad signing as depth guy. So. It's the hair the hair was fantastic really was twenty fifteen twenty to fifteen that season. I was the first sees on quitted signings. Like just Duran litter anchor Sohn, the kind of flop the other thing clayborn read those the only success stories, but cripple in tribute lot. Yeah. And I think there's something to be re remembered about the with those free agent signings is that. They're often hit and miss even with the big guys with the big number. So keep that in mind falcons fans as we go into free agency, which we'll talk about a little bit. Last name bring up, you know, we'll just touch on this quickly as you know, a player who came in on drafted. He had some history with Quinn out of the university of Florida, and he showed a lot of promise. But it seemed like the past couple of years that he hit his ceiling in Atlanta. And that was Brian Poole. He was you know, for several years are nickel corner. He was never what I would consider to be a fantastic corner. But he seemed to be well rounded could sometimes slider to safety. You know seem to have Cam Newton is number for. Picking him off in coverage. Again, he wasn't cut the the falcons just decided not to use a restricted free agency doesn't nation on him. They have said that they they would like to bring him back. But I think he is a victim of Demonte Casey's success so Allie request your thoughts on pool, and what also led to the team sort of potentially moving on us a little surprised by because pools such a fiscal player. I think he's one of those. It's kinda tone set are the quit definitely freesheet that. But I think it's limitations. He's not the fist is scoring. Does get grabby quite a bit in. You're playing the slot. That's probably like you saw penalties really picked up this year in his tackling. Definitely full obey missed allot tag, especially early in the season. But. One of the study players would fit while better defense plan covered through most of the time. But I I thought he could was maybe be more loads of things one of those guys. But sometimes it's just money does up in the AB going to do ratio. But I think pulls in our player that deserves curve for being when the state contributors for several seasons, but kinda like most defenceless year self cliff. Gina your thoughts on on pool in this move moving away from him. I mean, if you look at the amount that they would have had to pay to place a second round tag on him. It doesn't make any sense if you consider the cap situation, objectively, and so I understand why they wouldn't deal with ARA face stuff. Pull one thing that the coaching staff has universal Lee liked about him is that he is just so intense when he plays like he'd try to hit people like he tries to us SAS Nate them. And so I know that Quin likes that. But he's not really a prototypical Quinn a bag. And I think that there's just gonna be a little bit of change in the secondary this off season. It all makes sense. It'll be interesting if they're able to bring him back, but if they do Casey has earned his spot on the fee. Field. So pull might land somewhere else. I do really like Brian pole. And I enjoyed watching them play the whole time that he was here. But this makes sense to me. I think it comes down to Casey just having an explosive breakout season. And you know, we know that kion there's gonna be out there. When know the Ricardo Alice could be out there. The team is gonna roll with true font and Oliver's starting corners Casey is absolutely earned the right to be the nickel. At least you know, if the beginning season. I don't know how you justify keeping him off the field after the season that he had last year. Absolutely. And with that it, you know, if Brian pool slides down to your fourth corner, your time corner three million for that second round tenders. That's a lot of money. So I think it's it's it the cap is. What is that's a separate conversation for another podcast, but we will leave the cuts there that is the the four main names that the falcons boot on from didn't want touch on those and just get some thoughts. Out there, though fans probably still reeling from the Matt Bryant cut more than anything totally get it. But now on the talk about some of the players that the falcons are looking to keep or give extensions to and the first name on the list, which I think caught a lot of fans off guard was quarterback. Matt shaab? He's he is back. Again. The guy has got another two year contract. I will say it is very team friendly contract for a quarterback that even Matt Ryan has said is a very important piece to their offense. He he helps him a lot in the quarterback room. You know, heat. The the team basically has a two year deal with twenty twenty being an option year. So it's really a one year deal. Maybe two. So Jean I'll start with you. First your thoughts on the team keeping Matt Shaab yet again when everyone kind of thought he was going to disappear into the either. Has been a balcony tradition. The make really weird decisions backup quarterback. MS surprised? No. This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. Do I think that it makes the most sense? No, I'm the same person who has been saying draft amid around quarterback and let him learn develop behind Matt Ryan. And then sif he's good. And if he is if met still good than you trade them like Jimmy Garoppolo. Okay. I mean, maybe not that good. But you know, what I mean? And if he if he is if he is good than that. Sure. You know, Matt Ryan air parents. I mean, they've gotta start thinking about life after Matt Ryan, and I can tell you one thing with great certainty life after Matt Ryan eight Matt shop. On that play. He came in for Vic in the first game that I ever went to two thousand five against the Minnesota Vikings. I watch Mashhad play. I was so much younger than and so was Matt Shaab, and he actually not very good. Then this. Any sense? I would rather just roll with Kurt banker and see if he can develop and not spend this money on shop. This is probably the signing. The I am most up in arms about I didn't even realize I was fired up about until I started talking about. All right. That's my time. Alan any passionate thoughts about the backup quarterback for the kids. Could of crazy things. Matt Ryan if he plays sixteen games this year, it'll be ten years since he last the game because we're a ninety suffered miss do games and miss. And a half. Yeah. He didn't start two games and missed another. Maybe it was like three quarters. He's been durable. It's believable by still basically look concert because just like helmets. How much longer could keep their street live. But nothing is this match thirty eight this year any hasn't star born to game since two thousand thirteen and that was the raiders, which as knows the dumpster fire. So at the. So I I don't get the resigned though. Look if you'll have somebody that's if Lynch law crew so bed vice guidance but wanted so that some play baking billion anxious. I think mesh off at a coven for snap your resists. These are less. It was against the eagles. Because I remember I was there. I think it was actually opening night. Maybe because Matt Ryan Denise hurt. Like is the brace initial? NS? Yes, Sean came any Bosch the handoff. Like, you couldn't even hand. Sony. That's able to move in be sort of threats downfield. I'll. He just won the guys that, but you would hope at some point. Yeah. I think he's a player that. People. Call him a coach in in on the field. But he's really just a two million dollar voice. Here. Here's here's a suggestion because they could actually cut him hire him as an assistant coach same amount of money that doesn't count against the cap and he can stand on the sidelines and hold the goddamn ward. And they can get an actual backup quarterback. Who's not under navy years old like I'm not a GM or anything. But it's just an idea. Major coach belly's is still play. That's what they were talking about New York. So he's a that's that's if you want someone that's like, pork. Coach port somebody that's capable planes before games. I think we all agree. Shaab is. I'm not gonna get to up in arms. But it is such a weird. It is a very falcons move. So there's a very Felker's move. Yeah. To the Chris Redman nears. Chris Redman stick around until he was like seven. Felt like he was Wren's court or backup forever. Yeah. He social security by the time he left so. Yes. I'm pretty sure that he was. So I like I like that shop don't get me wrong. But I just don't think that this makes any sense like, you know, get with the times, he it doesn't make any sense. So the next name on this list before we get to the big one that I know all fans wondering about the next time on this list is the one that some fans or little bit and the by because he's tentacle still under contract in that is star receiver Julio Jones who the team last year they did a little bit for him as a part of his like half today. Hold out. And they said that they would address his contract this offseason. So we know that they want to work something out. We know that there are big wide receiver deals happening over and over every single year Julio is bar. None. The one of the best receivers in the in the in the league, and as of this recording, by the way, guys we know that where do they Tony overland has he Oakland so antennae Brown? You know, his team couldn't stand him so bad. They took a massive cap. Hit to let him go clan. And Odell Beckham has just been traded to the Browns. So at minimum falcons fans can say we have the best wide receiver in a league whose team actually wants to freaking keep them on the roster. So Alan I'm gonna go do on this one. You know, obviously the team doesn't have to rush to make deal happen here. But what kind of money? Do you think we're looking at for Julio? How long do we think he can play? I think he's what he's thirty turns thirty this year. You know, what are your thoughts on one extension say Hello for another four five years? As of course, he stays healthy. But just this work regimen. Just the way he bosses out corners if he lives to step he still some. Just body any it's they'll be affected. And bulletin is less year. So it's financially. Say whatever he wants because he's the best Acevedo legally. I. Served just whatever they feel is right or not doors ation because they kinda wanna get the best possible. But Louise, he could demand whatever he wants because he's premium east of receiver. Everyone wants have only seen this though by that. He's the best was relieved just at this point. So you hope for five years he still played a high level and knows after that. But to be dig up to prioritize because of course, vulnerable Chlor last week before the Dion Jones Goshi lift so it's gonna be just progress with that so icy who is offset number permanent but for St. on Jones as the centerpiece defensive at the gate of soon as well. Yeah. That's a lot of stuff coming so just for comparison Sammy Watkins Tonio Brown or both making right around seventeen million per year on their deals Antonio Brown. His new deal is giving about thirty million guaranteed on the over three years. So Gina your thoughts on Julio in. And what the team may do here. Have you seen this man's closing speed? Like, I watch this highlight video the other day of holy cow playing defense, and it was you know, after interceptions and things like that. And he was running down receivers from like the other side of the field. And he is like a cheetah. This man is human, and he shouldn't be paid like one give him all the money that he wants back up the Brinks truck to his house just dump it a lot. I don't care what they have to do. Holy jones. Amazing. I want him on my team forever. Pay him. Everything is that. Listrik? No. But that is what I want to see happen. 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If they can't get a deal done by that deadline whether deadline is he actually has to play under the tag for the two thousand nine hundred season, which is about fifteen a little bit over fifteen million dollars for that defensive tackle position. So gene, I'm going to start with you Grady Jarrett. We've heard that the sides the fall. Far apart? There have been rumors that he wants, quote, unquote, Aaron Donald money, whether your thoughts on Jarrett as a player what you know on whether or not he should get paid. How all of this plays out? Well, I think that they will probably work something out with Jarrett. I think that Jared chair is going to want to stay here. I think that they'll be able to come to some kind of agreement, but I understand why once the test the market, and I understand why the team had to apply the franchise tag. We've got a few months now that they're that they've decided to go that route. And so I think that over that span they'll be able to figure something out the one thing that concerns me is that they applied the non-exclusive tag him. So that he can still talk to other teams. So if they had applied the exclusive tag, I feel like I probably would've been more comfortable with it. But yeah, I still think that the work something out. And to to give some context some fans asked about the nature of the tag, first of all, the mon- exclusive the non-exclusive tag is what most teams use to genus point it does allow him and his agent to talk to any other team. They want to however, if another team gives him an offer sheet the falcons get the right to match the offer sheet made to him by the other team. And if they turn it down. In other words, they will let Grady sign with whatever team offers him contract. They actually get two first round picks as compensation from that team for leading Jericho. So it's as a matter of fact, someone asked me the other day if that has ever happened, and I cannot think of an instance in recent memory where a team actually gave up two first round picks to sign away a free agent like that if you guys can think of any. Me. No. But I could not think of any in recent memory. So it is exceedingly rare that a non-exclusive tag results in the player walking away. So Alan with all of that said your thoughts on Jared. How you doing? Defense attack position. There's so much Greytown there. So that's why I can't see team trae away for two trumpets course, viz look to us route fix even so crazy Jon Gruden would put. I understand. For Trent Brown. Linda conflict the deals they've got the highest paid players position. I'll either players top-five cons these top five, but you understand why? Jared wants to end the lion. He deserves the jobs at the he's the most valuable offensive player on the roster consistently excellently huge away just crime. He's really Volve as a pest at the something earliest creates struggle with banana seemed just make impact we get week out. I told this day was to get paid like it because he's one of the centerpieces, so and I think also people need take into consideration. Just because you're the highest paid player position. Doesn't mean. This could be time. Devante Freeman was is payment league. We all the, but we all agree that he's not the best league, especially that time. But Jared I'll put he's not here. Don, he's not Fletcher caused by Pullman that secondary. He's that good. He's entering his privates east. You got the value players like the whole thing. They would have because he somebody that is going to be like I said he's gonna be on the franchise cornerstones he's improving since twenty sixteen. And I think in fairness he is if anything he has improved every single year that he has been on the falcons his his level of play has only gotten better, and he's not one of those players that suddenly had a great season his contract year. He is literally every season become a bedroom better player and even this past season just became one of our best pass rushers from the interior and the best pass rushers period, you know, interior or on the edge. He was one of our best ones for reference just looked it up. Fletcher Cox who elementary and recently got a six year contract hundred two million little over one hundred million with about sixty three million guaranteed averages out to about seventeen million per season. I think that is kind of number that he's realistically gonna get. I don't think he's going to get the same numbers. Aaron Donald got 'cause Donald is a generational talent that very very few people can compare to. But I would not be surprised to Ellen's point. If he gets let your Cox money because as we've seen and this comes up a lot I want to if you guys take just a quick second to address this because this comes up. Even if you think a player is not the top his position. So you think you know, he is not the best defensive tackle league. The the question isn't whether he is better than their Donald or whether he's better than Fletcher Cox. The question is if you let him hit the market will another team pay him like he is. And the answer is absolutely undeniably. Yes. If we'd let Grady juror at the market another team will pay him big money. And that's why you have to pay these guys you pay them to keep them. Because if you let them hit free agency they will walk away, and they'll get a big deal. Elsewhere, and then you have to consider what is the cost to replace a player of that caliber, you cannot draft a Fletcher Cox in every single draft class. You cannot draft a Grady Jarrett in every single draft class. Maybe you can find another decent player, but a player of this caliber, even if he's not the number one player at that position. If he's the number five. Player that position pay the man to Allen's point you pay him. Now into three years. He's not going to be the highest played paid position player that position it all fleshes out. But the worst thing you can do is nickel and dime and try to get his salary right under Fletcher Cox 'cause you think that's where he ranks technically. This is this is not Madden. Not how this works in the real world, you pay the guys, and they keep resetting the contract deals every year, and it may not seem fair. But that's how the NFL has always worked Sajida you want to add anything onto that that my little mini rant there. I just want to reemphasize that great chair have three sex on Tom Brady and the Super Bowl. And so again that is enough in my mind to keep him. And since that time I mean that whole season. And then since that time he is really established himself as instrumental to the fell cans. He has such great burst off the snap. His size really helps him be disruptive. They've gotta keep him. He's just a great player. He was such a steel where they drafted him. They've gotta keep. Eight hundred nine hundred snaps thought more season. It's harder. Yeah. Does I mean he is one of the most consistent forces on the field for the falcons new fat? And he had six believe he missed what two or three games into Mateen six sacks from the interior missing two or three games, which for defensive tackle is pretty good. And if you watch the games he pressured quarterbacks far more often than when else on the team did he was a wrecking ball. So yeah, I'm with both. I think also they will get him to a long term deal. It's going to be I believe in of Fletcher Cox money fans will in in Dubai complain about it. But he he's he's gonna get paid. And I'm happy with that. Because he is a fantastic talent has Ellen mentioned. He's just continue to get better every season. It's going to happen. He's going to stay here in Atlanta. And. Couldn't be happier. So with that said that wraps up the the free agents and the guys on the team we wanna keep let's jump now to our flannel saving. I wanna talk about some of the signings or potential signings. Because technically as of the time of this recording team can actually sign a player. We're in Gina whether they call it. The legal the legal ambling Jared. It's legal tampering is not legal, but tampering is overlooked during the three days, so in essence. Supposed to happen is you cannot it used to be the NFL said you cannot negotiate with player that is not on your team until free agency opens which is always four PM on the day that the new league year starts this year. The league year starts March fourteenth so four pm March fourteenth, which is Thursday is win free agents can actually sign the NFL. However, they did this years ago. But they finally wrote in the rule that said, okay, we know, you're doing it anyways. So we're going to let you talk to other players, and you can agree to terms and principle. You just can't make it official until free agency actually opens, and we actually saw today a very interesting. Consequence of that where ethnic bar was correct me if I'm wrong he was going to the jets. Yes. Alan you wanna finish what happened with with cool. Cool feet. Minnesota better offer inside the state of Minnesota. I'm gonna -ssume that Greg Williams scared away because as we all know, quite Williams is terrifying slice horrible human being. So all my buddy, I live at York's L of your cell further yet, they're like on the Justice. Of course, they hid of the top science day. Just couldn't get but get Moseley, but still. Yeah. So to the point we just made on paper, he agreed to sign with the jets and the day later, you know, nothing was official and it became unofficial. So that said there are a couple of names falcons have been officially unofficially linked to as the first part of free agency. I I wanna talk about what happened that made this move possible as of today to recording this on Tuesday, March twelve. Earlier in the day. The falcons actually used a clause in Matt Ryan's contract, which is an automatic clause. Allows them to convert his salary into a bonus which subsequently allows them to prorate that bonus and push off some of the cap hits a future years. They converted eight point seven five million of his deal in ended up freeing up about seven million dollars cap space. Obviously that kind of move got people thinking oh gosh there there now fring cap space to make a move which they did. And I do wanna dress something because I saw people trying to give you know, Matt Ryan the credit for being a team player in doing this, which I am the biggest Matt Ryan fan you'll find but he had nothing to do with this. It was. It was his contract. This is a standard sort of for Matt for big contracts. Like, what Ryan has this is a boilerplate type of deal that they put into all these contracts where they it allows the team caps lex ability to you know, as we said kick the kick the can down the road a little bit with the cap is concerned. So guys, you know, we all love Matt Ryan. But this was not something where he went to the team and said, hey, let me take a pay cut. He is still getting the same amount of cash this year. Nothing changes for him the team just get some cap relief. So I wanna put that aside. But now onto the today that we saw Gina. I didn't know anything about these names. We're in the falcons chat when these sort of dropped in came out of nowhere. The I was John Brown who believe came from the jets is that right? Yes. The giants. I'm getting these to mix up. Yeah. Yeah. The guy the guy name the Spanish him came from the. No came from a giant say, I can't even keep a straight. All I knows his name is Spanish for him. And and he is a very a very large, man. These of the things. I'm gonna look it up because I had no idea this guy was and let me see here. Jim Jim Brown. Yes. He is six foot four three hundred and forty pounds. According to PF. Spent some time in LA and most of the season with the giants big big do which we'll talk about that in the second the other name, which I think I was getting him crossed up with was James carpenter. And I believe he came from the jets if I'm reading this, right? Yes. Yes. He came from the jets. I knew that. Because one of our local radio guys Brandon leak. Rached outs made stay when Chris or walking our dog and asked me if I could get a jets and Chien's writer from Espy nation to talk to him about the signings. And I was like, that's right. They're both New York's EM. So that's why it's easy to mix them up. And then I had to look up our posts to be sorted that I was asking are jets giants guy to talk about the right people because I had never heard of this guys. So anyway for reference James carpenters, six foot five three hundred twenty one pounds. So. So what does that tell us? Boy is I think it tells us that we're gonna move away from the zone scheme. Because those those men can't move that fast. And I'm just being honest. It's not a criticism just being think that is. The big thing here that these are two massive human beings and. On the plus side. It looks like they're going to be far more stout impasse protection. If there's one criticism, you know, people have of the design blocking scheme when you have those smaller more athletic offensive lineman. Those seven step drops for quarterbacks tend to be more painful. And we saw that with Ryan we saw Ryan last year. He got sacked allot Allen. I know you saw it firsthand and doing your gift reviews where Allah. Ryan was constantly sort of under pressure in those deep drawbacks. And when we talk about the zone running scheme to lie people just say the zone blocking scheme, but in reality all teams run some variation of inside zone. It's the wide zone where you've got the backside cut blocks you've got guys, you know, really having to cover a lot of ground going out. Why giving the cutback lanes the running backs? I think that is what's going to be drastically reduced so Gina. I'll I'll ask you. What do you think about this move? And what it may signal as far as the falcons making that change, even though, you know, again Quin sort of said, no, we're not going to change our scheme. This seems to indicate there may be some flexibility there. I mean, I don't know unless they're planning on doing some kind of like platooning. Lineman. I don't and that's a terrible idea because chemistry is just integral to this accessible line. You can't really change the lineup. Yeah. I just I don't see how that works with these guys. And even as roads or even as backups like I don't see how that works with these guys. I think that this. If you think back to the Paul Eli enticing Tyson Jackson signings, and we're like, oh, man. They're moving to three or four. There's no that's three or four like we are all amped about it. And then remember, it wasn't do some kind of like, I guess fell kipnes related post traumatic stress syndrome where I'm like they really could sign these big guys. And so me planning to do that. Which would be terrible idea. I don't think so like, I just think that that is way too unreasonable. Go. The take was so hot Jeanne dropped out. Right. Well when she comes back. We'll ask her Allen. Whether you think about these these moves and bring in these two big big bodies shook it because she is such a great athlete outs. Even though his getting older still good size. When the best him. Jason Kelsey, see them gets a second level to flower job and socks done. I guess tie somber athlete of we'll see. I'm still not convinced he's star mislead. But oh. She'll jump back on. We're good. I'm not I'm not sure if he starts but Todd tell but it's gonna be it's too. I think one thing that Dan quid you can tell you get really sick of I'll have to staff about this up with the fell be. There is one of the worst. Show yours convergence us day could not convert on the report the short-stay allies last year got support. Muhammad, Stu Heather while the converged show yourself bandit bar. I could see why they wanna get necessarily front. I do corP knows a former first round pick actually was with Quincy. I know D coordinator, but Quinn, new Seattle or lively to thirteen to fourteen. So so I think there's some ties they Brown was actually the first year would show McVeigh star. But then he injured in preseason. I think also Blake is named took the spied never looked back. So these guys do have star experience as encouraging. I do wish they could may be spent more money on. I know the couldn't for Roger Seth. But may civil with those little worker, but the cap space, do I guess is someone encouraged gang gourds store experience because it's no doubt. That was the weakest position on the roster. Just no star is like vitro Kim years, but he's injured prone. I don't think west showing serve we've seen two years of now. Don't these NFL caliber star diesel back of best zanesville, same Beatles? They really need to go. Get guards. It would've been cool to see them drifts gore. The frisk ride gets younger, but I think they see there's a lot of flaws on the roster at do believe this is a draft where there's gonna be a lot of good defensive lineman. Log of detectives as well. So why not just get up veteran guards coz? Yeah. Yeah. Now, I think too especially with ofensive line that can be a couple years before those guys pan out defensive line, especially defensive interior you tend to see a little bit quicker production from those guys. So I can understand that. Especially with Ryan at the age that he has probably wanna make sure that they keep him much cleaner in the pocket, and they had in the past and is much harder to push around the three hundred forty pound man than it is a two hundred ninety five pound. So real quick. Alan your thoughts, on Beasley is this. The right move was at the wrong move should the team of gone head move on. I don't think it's the right. We will buy a power move on Dan quince, but this is his first ever draft pick in. No. From also pests experience Thomas to be likes to hang onto first rounders as long as possible PR, Jerry. Leave it some early sicker. Lamar holmes? If your players that have that draft pedigree will be valued for even though the production never really met the Bruce row status or higher status. But Beasley at has been impact place on sixteen even when he was I guess you quote impact player over flesh of it just hasn't evolved often tackles, but mainly right tackles this figure out they get the hands on he's doing anything. He just hasn't developed counter moves to really use that speak. Our knows. He's a freak athlete knows that. I I just hasn't quantified the need to see this only games where he's not this, especially big games to see. Right. Tackle get control. Just look does. No justifying pay 'em out by could see why Dan Quinn's do inches because he wants to see if he could get scwhab because he is somebody that has the first pick of his tenure end is still someone that's really forgetful at may be just figure out ways get creative would have been those. But do I think bees? For long term. Now. I think he somebody that just gonna realize that was a mistake that he just he's kind of the bench at dimension. Just isn Sunday. You could keep t- in the win on special player has says. Yeah, I agree. I was firmly in the boat that they need to move on. I'm with you. I understand why they did it. I think the Dan Quayle is thinking, hey, if I get my hands on him and spend more time with them. I can help him to develop those moves. But honestly, I think if we were going to see that we we've seen the progress in. That's the thing that I just don't think we saw any of we didn't see any progress from two thousand sixteen seventeen seventeen to eighteen I think we're going to suddenly see that progress happened between two thousand eighteen two thousand nineteen. I don't think he'll be you know, worth what his agent is gonna wanna try to get for him after the season. Even if he gets double digit sacks. I think the best thing for the falcons to do is to on in not treat dislikes Sam Baker situation where he has one good year. And then they come up. It's another name. Yeah. There's a as well. Right. So I honestly if he does have a good season, maybe you can hope that he signed somewhere, and it gets you a Compaq as a free agent that that signs on the another team maybe three or four team will think that they can do more with him as an outside linebacker. But I just think it's time Atlanta has been a bust. What makes is that? They fully commit to him as an edge rusher in twenty eighteen because we aren't so seventeen deploy little straw Cy linebacker, right? Partly due to injury. Also because I think would wanna try there. But it says eighteen they're gonna make enough to you're gonna rush the passer hundred time and to be plagued the seventeen sluts decent games rep. But at last year there were very few flashes. Like, all that's the Beasley that was ironically, the sacking twenty sixteen looking back on who led the league in sacks. Just Vic visi tells it sixteen that will never make sense. Though, it won't hurts because it was really excited because you've twice exchanges because everyone knows falcon fans a bit crazy for Russian for years ever since John Abraham cut. They just one that explosive big play this week depend on week in week out to generate pressure in Spezia, just has been unfortunately in the I think this is one thing they keep an eye on in two thousand nineteen is you know, what he does also what what tat McKinley does and potentially a draft pick as you mentioned Allen. This is a. Potentially very deep deep class defensive line talent in and hopefully the falcons will take advantage of it. So with that we're going to wrap up this week's podcast Allen. Thank you for joining us. Again, it's been longtime one have you back on more frequently. So why don't you tell our listeners where they can find you what you've got going on. Right out folks afraid, I know the falcons aren't gonna be that active. But this definitely still things that should come up is free agency. Most teams have thanks that that going to change their franchise. So maybe one or two more sonny's than of course, we at the draft come up. This is the pivotal year for franchise 'cause when's now the full fence according responsibilities and the pressures on because sees only again berry seemed teams at the Packers improving. So this team's gonna have to keep a was because NFC eight nine teams play. So that's exciting. But cover news, hopefully within April May June. That's where or create. While for my dears. That's when I start you being that mad, scientists fun three. Three right now between more Sonate boats allow cover the news because there's just so much stuff coming out right now. Yep. Absolutely. 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"Today in New York City nearly ninety, four, thousand people voted that's double the number that turned out over the nine days for the whole primary that occurred in. June Knox's Eric Sean in New York City federal prosecutors have asked a judge to give them an extra forty days. Seek an indictment from a grand jury against six men who with authorities say were plotting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer saying they're sorting through evidence including explosive device components. Six men are charged in federal court eight more believed to be members or associates of a group called the Wolverine Men are charging State Court. With providing material support for terrorists acts the former chief of police in Chicago accused of domestic violence. Chicago police responded to a domestic incident. Friday at former Police Superintendent Eddie Johnson's home in which Johnson's wife Lieutenant with C.. 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Fox that STAMPS DOT COM click on the microphone at the top of the page and type in Fox particularly single justifiable reason why Mr Darwin's theory throat even be mentioned in our nation's. And on May twenty. Seventh Nineteen Ninety Five actor Christopher Reeve came in last place in a horseback riding event. The. Onion News Network. A. Welcome back everybody. It is free talk live the live call in talk show radio program where you can take control of the airwaves talk about anything you'd like to. Tonight in the studio, it's myself the captain and Ian and nobody, and we are talking tonight about well more insanity and we we were beginning to reach peak dumb and apparently more lockdowns are coming. Being implemented as we speak, not only several locations in the US but also around the globe because well, governments just don't have enough control over you and your lives and how you operate your business and when you can and can't go to work and keep Your Business Open. You must not be in the streets and all sorts of assorted other things. There is a little bit of goodness and that is seventy suburban businesses in the Chicago area have met and agree to continue serving their customers despite the state order now. Is. A suburban businesses or they all restaurants because I thought they it was all restaurants. So you know well, they are businesses. Restaurants would be a bit sure but it says seventy local businesses Thursday night agreeing to keep serving customers indoors despite the new state order. Now I imagine these are all restaurants at least the people that they've interviewed here with quotes our restaurant tours for Spiro Rumpus owner of key steak and seafood and Glendale Heights said his businesses following social distancing and mass guidelines. But quote, I'm not forcing any employees to be here. This is all by there will I'm not forcing customers to be here I totally respect and understand if somebody chooses not to come here Rupa said. He posted his announcement to facebook on Wednesday and said, the reaction has been mostly positive and they're going by everybody's rules in staying apart from everybody and cleaning and disinfecting, and I don't see a problem with customer Ron Tenant said, we're here to stay open and we believe we live in a free. Country Rumpus added. I'm sorry Mr is I. Applaud you standing up to the state but this guy in Illinois saying yeah. Yeah we do not live in a free country. Look I gotta Say I'm glad that some people have found their limit. Yes. That's good. Right I don't WanNa make fun of somebody for being late to the party, right? Okay. Okay. Great. You're finally putting your foot down and you're saying this is far enough. Yes. We've jumped through all these hoops look at all the hoops. We're not gonNA take it anymore now I mean good I'm glad that they've they've decided to do this and I hope that it doesn't result in them being arrested or pause. Governor Jay Pritzker said police can issue citations to restaurants and bars that defies state order potentially removing their liquor licenses. Of course, we know that already here freetalklive. The governor also said police will likely start with issuing warnings prior to giving citations for neglecting to follow his new requirements for the four regions. He's Rupe has said I'm not trying to do this to be a murderer hero. I'm just trying to do this to put food on my table to put food on my employees table and to keep the community going. You're right. He has reached his limit. He's had enough of it. He's finally taking a stand for he can see the writing on the wall. He knows that if he doesn't do this, he's GonNa. Go Out of business. Okay. A you either do what you're told and you never open again because well, you've just whittled down your customer base and Whittled Down Your employee base and you've still gonNA pay rent this whole time. So you know you either do what you're told and fail or you can take a risk and go up against the state and maybe you can keep your doors open if they don't come in absolutely crushed under the treads at their tanks, right? So to speak people, bearcat people are under this allusion that just because somebody says there from government that you have to listen to what they say these people have no right to tell you how to run your business at all. Not Don't, but unfortunately, you have given them that control by asking them for permission in the first place I realized licensing and I understand why they do it right like our former co host Chris Redman has been working on opening up a convenience store. This year and part of that process has been begging state agents for government permits Yup I get why they do it. It's just. Really, we have no one to blame, but ourselves slow licensing is when they take away your right to do something, and so it back to you for a cost at the threat of well government agents, men with guns in costumes, badges, GonNa come in either revoke your license, and then if you continue to business, they report the authority to throw you into a cage. And or your life. If you resist, it's a misdemeanor charge I believe the second time in New Hampshire. We did the research I think it was the real Christopher Cantwell. In our chat room there he found the actual statutes. It's a violation the first time if you're running a restaurant without permission slip and then after that, it's misdemeanor so you might go to jail. Because, they take their monopoly. On control very very seriously and they can't possibly have somebody out there. Doing what they want because if there's a business owner out there, who's like, Oh, I'm just gonNA Open my door's without a license come on in feel comfortable fine. You don't have to come in you feel comfortable come on in we'll serve you You can take whatever risks you want. We've got third party certifications over here. We don't need the government license to prove to you that were clean. We don't need the government license to prove to you that were safe. We can do all of that on our own through market. Mechanisms, and if that happened, the government would crack down on that person because it makes them look like they are not needed. And that's when the militia is needed to stay home out and give them the support they need keep their business open. Yeah that would be really wonderful if we were there right now but unfortunately, we don't have the businesses willing to step out with the exception of a scant few and We don't have enough people together who are willing to actually make a stand on their behalf. Certainly seems that way. There's a lot of pressure involved in in this and it's not just coming from the government. It's there's also social pressure. As. Well and I think it's worth mentioning that one of our local restaurants here in the area I won't say which one. Oh, the people are putting social pressure on either to afraid socialize anyway. They. Are. But nonetheless, people still feel that pressure and they don't want upset a business owner in a small town. They don't WanNa ups or a big city. They don't want to upset what they perceive as their customer base, and if they feel like they're going to alienate their customer base, they won't do it. That's why you've got these restaurant tours in this article from Chicago saying look look over here we're doing all the sanitizing look over here. We're doing the social distancing look at all. The hoops that were jumping through we're making people wear masks. You gotta hit your temperature at the door. Here's all the hoops jumping through. See we just want to open can't we just please open? We're willing to do everything you tell us we just WANNA open and they're doing that because maybe they believe it or maybe they don't really believe it but they think their customers do either forgotten what America's about because the British didn't give us our freedom. We took it now we took it by force. The only way you can get freedom. We saw today an example of how this system works. Right they went to a local guy who won't say who it is, but it's a local favourite here of the the activists community runs a guy runs a restaurant here in town. And this person had not had any sign of up in recent months. He did have it up for a couple of weeks during the height of things several months ago. But there hasn't been any signs at this place for a while the individual who runs the business is always there It's it's him and his family and. He had not had a mask on until like a week ago. And then all of a sudden we noticed that he was putting on a mask when certain customers came through the door. Oh boy. Now he's putting on a mask all the time. And what I heard today from one of our co hosts Chris Friday night co host. Had Me Guest? Did he get paid a visit by some agency because? Yes, he was paid a visit by what Chris thought were cops and they might as well as they technically weren't cops I spoke with the gentleman who owns the business today to find out what happened it was the city Health Department who had come in they slap down a copy of the two page ordinance that the City Council, came out with in August that mandates masks inside and outside of business. And they didn't give him anything else. They just gave him. You know stern talking to about how you got gotta follow this. It's for health and Safety Blah Blah protect customers, etcetera etcetera. Didn't actually give him a notice. So there wasn't a threat with his name on it right so there's not an actual record of this happening. So if I were to ask the city for a list of businesses that they've given written notices to this would not show up because it was just too agents coming in intimidating saying you got to put on a mask how mafia works. Yes. 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One of the it's your opinion on something the On the Libertarians on the panel tonight Yeah. So turtlenecks yeah or Nay. The sweaters. I guess you'd call them a sweater. TURTLENECK sleighs, on. that. Yeah. I don't have a whole lot of experience with them. I mean they don't really attract me especially if they're made out of wool, then they'd get really itchy. I don't really wear them I used to wear it was sort of A. A junior turtleneck, it wasn't the big fold up kind, but it was just a regular caller that raised up a little more. I used to wear one of those, but it ended up being a little itchy. Buddy. I would concern myself with close but I'm. Guy and. I'm paralyzed. Not caring very much. Yep. Yeah. You're not going to get the best fashion sense out of this particular crew. Libertarians are not the guys you want to ask about clothes really. I, mean you're your past the momentum actually He said your shirt is fashionable is referring to explain why I am a Hawaiian shirt and suzy Est.. Favorite. Kind. Of Church. Yeah Yeah. Well, you know. We they they may become almost a uniform someday soon. I honestly. Well. From the northern climates giving your perspective indeed thanks for the call Penguin. Right right then. We take all collars year. A take all types of. Traitors to make. Vincent starters I don't think we're the best fashion advisors but you know I mean we'll give an opinion why not? For what it's worth. I imagine the fashion is getting to be you know winter in the northeast in parts like Oh say Newark, for example. I presume we're talking about a crackdown happening more curfews. They're turning off restaurants after eight PM for indoor dining outdoor dining by eleven pm nobody gets hungry after eight. PM. Yes I do, and there's nowhere to go. You can still order takeout maybe it's not real clear like maybe you have to stop the takeout at Eighty, eight or eleven o'clock I'm not sure about that but you won't be allowed to go into the restaurant order the take out you have to call it in. The other restrictions include gyms and health clubs have to close for half hour every hour for sanitizing the city will reassess the curfew and decide by November tenth whether to ease restrictions there mayors name is Ross Baraka Baraka says quote this is not the first time. covid nineteen has threatened our city and its residents at this magnitude, and once again we've over nineteen is not threatening anything the government is. But they try to paint it as though it's this sort of you know as trump describe it the invisible enemy, right? This is the new. The very, very visible. Here is very, well armed are the individuals who call themselves government, but it's interesting the propaganda that they are spewing here. So let me continue with his quote he says. Just threatened our city and its residents at this magnitude, and once again, we will meet this challenge with determination and guided by data. We are Newark Strong. And can get through this. Boston strong. It's exactly like that same thing coming back again in fact I've seen a strong smell and maybe didn't he get addicted Boston wrong was evicted via the fact he couldn't pay his mortgage. Mortgage pulled out from under him they're. Foreclosed I. Guess the right word we are Newark strong and can get through this together. We did it once before and we can do it again they could do it won't be for. What they do once before had intended. Nothing, for week, what he's saying is they had an intense crackdown. They then let businesses open a little bit had another cracking down again. So that's what he's saying. They're getting get through this. Again, I just feel like these tyrants are are doing with people. It's like you ever have one of those cat toys and with a string on the end of a stick and you kind of like play just keep it far enough away from the cat to make the cat continued bounce up and down. That's what these politicians are doing to jump. Regular people jump Monkey. All sports activities have been canceled. Open, Park Practices Games, I'll canceled in the East Ward All city employees are encouraged to be tested Newark discouraging discouraging. All parties indoor and outdoor festivals and large family gatherings until further notice. Now, the word they use in Fox News is discouraging. I suspect it's not an actual discouragement and it's actually a threat. Party you'll means do these governments, agents, these individuals with badges and guns us to discourage said, gathering violence I suspect, and then finally Dr Mark Waid the Director of Health and community wellness for the city of Newark. Santa's to say. Until and even after a vaccine is made available to every New Yorker, the most poet is this obsession with a vaccine. It's that I mean the common cold is a corona virus and we they've been trying to come up with a vaccine for one hundred years and they haven't found one. Well. So what makes them so certain? He's not certain VER-. Offer the coronavirus and that comes every year regardless of the vaccine have to keep changing it but he's not certain. He says, until the vaccine is made available to every New Yorker. The most potent immunization we will have available is a decision to take personal responsibility to obey and muddle the recommendations that keep us all safe. All of us will need each other to get through as individuals, but make sure you stay far away. From, those people you need. 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Yes, it is free talk live. Welcome back everybody. Thanks for tuning in. We're covering the continued castration of America and the continued lockdowns. That are occurring. Not only in America input also elsewhere around the globe. And we'll talk more about that here in just a bit but tonight in the studio to myself the captain. Ian and nobody our toll free number is eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three that's eight, fifty, five, four, fifty free. If you would like to call and talk about well anything you can talk about what we're talking about or something else that you'd like to talk about we had a call about our fashion sense earlier today that was. Sort of out of the ordinary for us, but we'll take all color. 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Perfect at any I N C dot com slash upgrade. So it's really up to you the wallet users to let these Wallet creators know that there is. Help for them to be integrated completely with anybody market feedback is important right? Because if all these guys do is just kind of talk to themselves about what sort of features to put in there may never come across they need to hear from the users and the same thing's true of this corona virus crackdown. I'll give you the rest of the story from this owner of. A business here in town who I had heard was approached by the police today and I went in I was actually planning on going any way to get dinner this place and so I spoke to the owner who is regularly the person that helps me anyway. So that wasn't unusual and he's wearing a mask now where he never had before and he's was was spouting. Off About Health and this and that as though, he was just basically regurgitating what he was told by the agents who had come in it turns out it wasn't cops but it was actually the the health inspector here in the city of keene and there were two guys who were sitting down. They had gotten their food before I'd even walked in but they kind of. Had I didn't see any masks like on the table or anything like that, and they kind of had like a good old boy look to him right love redneck looking guy a cameo hat on or whatever, and so I thought you know these guys might be on the good side of these guys might be anti mask or in favor of freedom of choice, right? Okay. And so I was just talking with the owner of the business about I mentioned to him. Well, Hey, just so you know I'm suing the city of Keene I'm one of three plaintiffs including our very own Aria dmed. So in owner of the local, fucking great restaurant in downtown keene suing the city of Keene over this particular ordinance that these these men were threatening with him. With and he seems surprised by that and I'm going to give them a little bit more information. Obviously, he's not willing to come on board with the lawsuit right right and and he actually made a statement similar to you know he can't make any waves right? Because business owners don't want to make waves they just want to do business right? Their families make money and you'll. Go about their lives. They WanNa make their customers happy and they don't want to go up a mega fight against against sitting like let's okay. That's why I'm doing it. So I can be the bad guy. It's totally fun I'm used to that role and I made some statement and then he started talking to the other two guys just rent just kind of randomly started to tell them about what the city inspectors had told him and one of the guys sort of looked up and apologized and said that they'd forgotten their masks and I'm like and so I just said, well, you know it's bs anyway right I just kind of threw that into the conversation to the other two. And then they started to change how they were behaving. So before was like they were just so sorry and then the things that they had started to say after that made it pretty clear that they thought it was also be as well. So the the situation went from the business owner sort of regurgitating the propaganda to his customers, which is what he's been told to do. Right he was told by these agents that he's supposed to tell the customers that they need to have a mask, but the agents told him if the person's pushed back if the per the. Say They. Don't WanNA wear it or they're getting angry or whatever. Like they said to him you can stop you can just say you know tell them the one time and then back off if they say, they don't want to be messed with and justly Malone, which is interesting because that's not the official policy of the city. The official policy is is that the business owner must enforce or else they will be ticket. Yeah I've left a local restaurant business because after the ordinance was passed because I went in and they said, do you have a mask I said? No, and they said, well, you have to have one and I'm like I I use the medical exemption and they're like that doesn't matter you have to have. Yeah and I said, okay, bye-bye I, turned around and walked out and they're like, well, you have to do it. I'm like, no see you had your chance well, and that's why I mean. It's like you need to give these people some feedback not be mean to them yet. But just had that conversation openly in front of this business owner made him realize that the three people in his shop at that time were not interested in this mandate and they made those two guys made it crystal clear out remember exactly what they said but they they made it crystal clear that they weren't interested in wearing masks So just a little bit of feedback for these people to let them know, hey, not everybody is on this fear train and not all of your customers want this stuff to happen I mean I would think that most people don't want it I don't know but I don't know that. That's true. How would we find out? Yeah. I think it would take. Smith. Seeing many people stand up against it, maybe you could do an anonymous phone poll or something like that and and ask people that way because you wouldn't be able to ask him like a man on the street interview, right? Because they're going to be afraid their neighbors are gonNA see especially in a town light keen when you know the person walking behind, you probably knows you right or know somebody who knows you like there's no more than one degree of separation in a town of twenty, three thousand and that's a fact. So I just wanted to get that feedback of what happened thing. That's I mean. It's disheartening to me that the state or the city anyway is sending health inspectors out these are government agents, and of course, we know how government agents force their suggestions and that is eventually with men with arms right and it hadn't gone to this point yet with this particular owner, it was just them slapping down a copy xerox lightly xeroxed copy look xeroxed and xeroxed over and over again and lost several generations but. A week Xerox, copy of the City Ordinance, not an official threatening letter just to intimidating men and a copy of some paperwork that wasn't specifically targeted to this business owner in any sort of official way. So they're just trying to see what they can do to get compliance or as much compliance as they can. They can have because they don't WanNa have anyone breaking the illusion of total compliance. I can't it's the scene from. The movie you've ever witnessed. You know where store you? Talk comes in and he's Guido an aunt and the outside you know just looking intimidating. Class Mister Zyuganov was. Money you got to go along otherwise you won't be protected and he's protected from what and they're like protected from duty. If we don't comply Oh whoops break that flower pot over the well it'd be a shame to see something happened. It starts nice place you got here. Here's here's a piece of paper with some stuff on to have to go along with the. I'm not saying we'll do anything to you. But what I am saying is the organization we worked for will. It's all bs span and the effect that all these glock down they're having on businesses particularly the small businesses they you can't even count how many small businesses have gone out of business because you know you can't many of them you either weren't licensed already or you know we're barely like they're counted as a small business, all the one man operation where one woman operations hasn't even started yet. It's GonNa get worse. Yes. Crackdowns are going to get worse more businesses going to close to, and you know they're gonNA use flu season against everybody as well. So. Best get prepared eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three. This is free talk live. Attention business owners body slammed by overwhelming debt. 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We did a cover of that forecast. This past year, we'll tell you more about for fest. A little bit later but eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three is our toll free number You can give a call take control the airwaves about whatever you like I'm the host tonight I am the Lord Reverend Captain Kick Ass joining me tonight I'm in. I'm nobody. And we were continuing to talk about well, lockdowns government overreach the fact that it appears that America is just GonNa take it that. Much like the story we covered on Saturday the balls of most people have been removed and don't exist in they no longer know how to stand up for well themselves or their neighbors or their families or their businesses. And we'll talk more about that. Did you say you had some more. I don't know I mean I got all kinds of other things we were talking about John McAfee a little bit. He had some fun stuff to say, but I I know we mentioned before this last break the effect that all these lockdowns the government overreach and the demands in the mandates statewide and other have had on businesses in the suffering that people have gone through particularly small independent businesses. That's okay. As long as you save one life. You can destroy thousands of businesses, destroy thousands or millions of jobs but as long as it saves one life totally fine the people actually seem to believe this. Yeah it's not really okay. I had an article from a news source that put a paywall. So I went and got a different article about subjects because. Screw the PAYWALL. This is from press dot. com. As. Most of our listeners know I spent a couple of decades playing music out in the Seattle Washington area on West. Coast and. Well a lot of my people, my musician friends and family and folks that I've spent a lot of time doing business with or otherwise partying and having fun et Cetera and so on. Are All suffering because nobody's on tour there are no tourists. No bans are onto our nobody's playing shows. Why not an underground show why not rent a warehouse? Those are I wish I'd thought of that. Those are those are happening, but you have to be in the special club you gotTa know who is doing it. They've got to give you an invite you gotta know where the location is and its probably announced shortly before the event, right? Like they're not promoting the location in advance One of my favorite shows to play in Seattle was a charity event called the Porn Jim, and this was where musicians would get together with. Other musicians that were not in their band or bands and a couple of covers, right? So you get a group of four or five people together. You decide on a couple of covers to play you get up play to you get off the stage and you rotate through that all night for two nights in a row and it would raise money for the local food bank as well as the local animal shelter. Every year is not going to happen that didn't happen get. Well, it's supposed to happen the first week December canceled. Couldn't find a venue imagine. Yeah. I imagine that that's not happening where where are the white? What are you hearing about the warehouse events like Whoa? What's the skinny on this? Well, not really warehouse events, but it's more like somebody's house out in the sticks they got a basement garage or something that kind of thing in a basement, how many people are going to these things? Ten Twenty you know I mean it's it's not order haven't. It's not like they're having one hundred people rangers in their basement as even like with all these closed restaurants, there's gotta be a landlord out there needed some money. If you're such a landlord and urine keen send an email to elect nobody dot com. The odds at one of those people are listening you never know I suppose but so I mean have any of these parties been broken up I'm not aware of any that have been broken up. Certainly, certainly, a risk that they are taking holding these gatherings, right another risk s the social ostracism has there been pushback within like the rest of the Rock Community of like you shouldn't be having those underground party on you push back. It's not the Rock community because rock and roll fights back do they. That's about I'm I'm not seeing a lot of it. In, fact, I'm seeing more Kim Alliance. I'm seeing more people are like Gosh I really miss live music I can't wait till. This is all over. So we can play shows again we'll remember I. think it was you guys that were on the show and we pulled up dee snider from was it twists twisted sister. We're not gonNA. Take it literally put a mask on and dressing like Uncle Sam that's why the WHO said I hope I die before I get old. I'm just saying that to counter what you're saying about the Rock community they've sold out it's over. Some of them sold out some of them sell out every year and the rest of US keep going. There are exceptions and Morrison. Of course, is a performer who has spoken out very loudly. He's taken heat as a result of that, and that's what a lot of these people don't WanNa take whether it be the local business owner who doesn't WanNa take heat from their your mask wearing masks, obedient customers, or the performance artists who don't WanNa take heat on twitter or other rolling stone attacking Van Morrison. Heat so they'll just lay low I was lamenting last night actually after after dinner went hung out with some folks you were there. But after you had left I I kind of went on a rant about how disappointed I am in rock and roll heavy metal and Punk Rock. Yeah these are all. Supposed to be the rebels of the art community right the the people who are anti and always against stuff and who point out the ridiculousness of what's going on with society and all of them to near as I can tell are just gone well I guess we'll have to figure out I guess we'll just go record. That's good. Jordan show. Yeah. I can't think so. With all of the Rock and roll people whether they're signed and famous or not, or they're just you know the local band or garage band, every musician I know has been to. Guitar Center. Yes. Sure. They are the nation's largest musical instrument retailer period bar none. Well, it looks like or are they looks like they're preparing to file for bankruptcy. Wow, according to the report, the company is possibly preparing to file for as early as late November of two, thousand twenty. So in a month now is this the reorganization kind of bankruptcy it appears to be, but let's find out. Obviously. This year has been hard on everyone for a number of different reasons in particular retailers have faced various setbacks and financial problems due to. The says the coronavirus pandemic we all know it's because government is greedy with their power. Over the past few months pier one imports, J. Crew, True Religion JC Penney are just a few retailers who have either been sold to other companies are filed for bankruptcy. Now, it looks like Guitar Center maybe joining the ever-growing list according to the New York Times. Guitar Center failed to pay an interest payment of roughly forty five million dollars earlier this month wolf. l., do it currently, the retailer has a thirty day grace period to make the payments or it could end in default resulting in bankruptcy if they don't have it now, they're not going to have it in thirty days I mean look black Friday is coming up in we report on it every year here on free talk live and it is going to be very different this year if even stores had I yeah. I think how black Friday even to it's probably not or will be highly restricted. Guitar, center May Be America's largest instrument retailer, but that hasn't stopped. It's growing financial problems in twenty twenty. The report further says that Guitar Center has reached out to creditors to discuss its options which could involve filing for bankruptcy by the end of the year if the company does so Guitar Center hopes to recover financially in early don't right. The only way that's going to happen is if people are able to do musical things, you know have performances in have reasons to go and buy new instruments and guitar sharing by can't go play gigs my gears not going to break down and going to go through strings. I'm not gonNA wait labels. Cables I don't need a new rig I. Don't you know all of these things don't happen, and so I mean guitar lessons probably aren't even happening either unless it's online virtual guitar lessons are you imagine though I? Mean Look I I'm not a good terrorist I did one brief class at a summer camp a long time ago but. Whether it's guitar lessons or Yoga, or you know whatever we're talking about Joe Marco does Jujitsu whether whatever it is having a human being there to show you the proper form is irreplaceable. You are going to get showing somebody how Oh note your fingers are on the right frets you put them here, right? Oh No, no. Jimmy from thousand miles away or sixty miles away trying give the same instructions to somebody it's not going to be the same experience. It won't be as effective and it was certainly will not be worth as much. Money it's not I mean these types of things exist online guitar courses and you can download videos of how to learn guitar and you can learn tablets or place for that, and there's a place probably but you're right nothing replaces having an actual instructor there appro to tailored to your needs as the the musical student. Yeah. It's just like anything else any other industry any other business you'll need that eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three who is going to go out of business next more free talk live coming up. Remember when you first heard about Bitcoin, how long did it take you sa- realize this little projects would soon changed the world. The you kind of wish you got involved sooner. 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Is Eight, five, five, four, five, zero, seven, three, three. That is eight, hundred, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty free as in freedom. You can give a call and take control of the airwaves with you in the studio. Tonight it's myself the captain it's and nobody, and we have been talking about well many things surrounding the government's greed for power including more lockdowns, including its effect on small businesses and yes. Even some very large ones guitar center looks like it is preparing to file for bankruptcy as it has missed a forty five million dollar interest payment. That's a lot but you know this is also probably affecting local guitar shops as well. I can tell you captain. I think it was before you moved to the Keane area there used to be a place called Cheshire, music, okay, and they. If I recall correctly, they moved their location and then ultimately closed down. just because the whole online ordering thing was putting them under basically they couldn't do enough as a local business to differentiate themselves well, enough from whatever was available online, and at some point, a threw in the towel and this was before cope it. This was just so a lot of this is accelerating the fall of older business models that were sort of holding on for dear life. How much does that is true with Guitar Center specs. Some of it is there is one local. Music Shop. Guitar Type Place Yeah there used to be to here in town and I met a guy who works there. I didn't get the chance to actually go in and visit anybody I was GonNa take my guitar in and get it to set up I didn't get to before well, the government decided to close everything because it and so yeah I. I would imagine I mean I can't imagine those guys are paying their rent. I don't know how they would unless they all just decided to give online guitar lessons but you know I don't know but I just to finish up guitar center is the nation's largest musical instruments retailer and so this is. I used to work for a loud technologies back in the day they make mackey products they had craters, their brand name, they had Saint Louis Music as one of their brands ea w they were basically a company that had a of brands under them and guitar. Center was very important to them. Very very important and it is to any musical manufacturer. Yeah. You want to get your stuff in guitar. Center. That's you know if you can do that you basically you've made a of it. All the other stuff going on if you can do that. So. Guitar Center has also managed to avoid bankruptcy once already this year. Okay. This isn't this isn't just like teetering. Yeah. This isn't just like, Oh, well, maybe we can get through this. This is Oh, they avoided it once already back in April the retailer resolved. Interest payment that impacted its credit rating according to the credit ratings agency Moody's The transaction did not fundamentally change the company's quote untenable unquote capital structure. However, it was the third cut in Guitar Center's credit rating this year. Yeah. A? And I mean, there are online. So they've tried to move to an online plate musician's friend is pretty much the Amazon is competing. You know now with all that kind of stuff too so. I don't know how it's going to turn out but. it doesn't look bright it does not Let's go to your calls and your thoughts. We've got Robert Calling from bellows falls Vermont Robert You're on free talk live. Even. After that were you good man what's up? Right well, I'm not doing too bad for a man by age. Tonight. But Hey I don't I don't know if abusive. Digs had by a little bit this. So many songs that are out there even songs that. I. Mean that I have never heard of they did. I mean. I I mean. Probably, maybe the all that they've. Ran Out of ideas for diff- records and stuff like that. But that's not what's going to hurt them. There will continue to be song. Will. Continue to be made what I'm talking about. Has Happened. Is that nobody even the rebels the rock and roll rebels right the the guy, the hard rock, the heavy metal, the punk rock these can't make any money. First of all, they can go make records but they can't go on tour right? The money from touring has all den. Basically generated for the artists nowadays with merchandise t shirts you know CD's you know couples merchandise. You don't get in front of people right? You can't sell your marriage if you don't go on tour. So the that's my beef with what's going on plus all of the venues have closed so you can't go onto her at all the venues are now begging for a bailout. Yeah and and that's unfortunate. I think it's The calm and it's conditioning people to change their tatars into you know four raw and they are fifteen i. mean I think we're all. That's why we're. We're at this where we're at right now. See I. I think they're conditioning people to trade in their. Their guitars for slave collars but I think the alternative to that is we start picking up fifteen captain. Didn't we talk about a movement of Hashtags save our stages where a lot of these venues petitioning the government for some sort of a bail out or did that happened I think two weeks ago. Yeah I saw at the local colonial theater in downtown keene they've got a marquee out front where they sometimes put their opinion about things and it said Hashtag save our stages referencing this particular thing and I just thought. You guys are the same venue that's been cheering this stuff on. They've been cheering on the all in this together they they've had you know phraseology like that statements on their marquee throughout this entire thing and now they want help. Now after they've been cheering on the crackdown, it's their turn to come up to the government trough. Well, the the save our stages thing from you in my opinion from what I read on it is an appeal to authority. It's yeah. It's says, Oh, can we please have a bailout because? We've been shut down because you guys said, oh well, we can't have crowds anymore. We can't do our business. We can't conduct our business as we normally do and they're not willing to take a risk and actually opened the doors in the show right so they're just begging to try to stay on life support everybody to chicken ass to defy the authority to have a fricken rock show man. I know that the two things I can think I'll do not going to go away is. Cannabis and firearms just it's inevitable it's always going to be there. That much is true Yep. People are smoking weed still I appreciate absolutely count on that. Appreciate the call. Robert. Have a good one. It is very, very sad state of affairs with music in particular. I you know artists are attempting to do things that are attempting to work around this stuff, but I don't see anybody straight up rebelling I don't see anybody going hey, we're gonNA play a free concert at in this park or you know in the town square or whatever that kind of thing. Maybe it's happening, it may be happening out there but the media doesn't want to report on that. You know they're not interested in re reporting on people actually standing up because that looks bad. It doesn't go on. It doesn't go along with the the narrative. This obedience narrative they have to have everybody obeying and no, one can break the ranks. Yeah. That's true and I mean it's not just the musicians rights. It don't get me wrong I, love my musician brothers and sisters, but it's the stagehands. It's the sound guys. It's the venues themselves. It's the bartenders, the bartenders, the the. The people who clean up after show. That, all these things done, and some of these are part time jobs or they contract out to some independent guy. You know that's not a full-time get you. Can you know you can't clean up a venue fulltime? But all of these jobs are gone. None of these people are doing these things. So all of that money is gone. And it's not just limited to music either it's limited to its limited live theater of any kind we're talking you know plays we're talking Broadway style musicals in a community theater. All of this kind of stuff has been affected in the exact same way. Eight, hundred, fifty, five, four, hundred, fifty, free that's eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three. We'll take more of your calls and thoughts and we've got more for you coming up on free talk live. German shepherd and hasn't had any kind of health problems at all. 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It is free talk live eight, five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three is our number. We'll get to your calls and thoughts in just a moment in the studio tonight it's myself the captain it's Ian had nobody and forecast twenty, twenty one is coming up and you near as I can tell, this will be held. It's your chance to do A. Thing indeed it is. You can join liberty minded volunteers, anarchists, and Libertarians from June twenty eighth through July fourth for four Fest Twenty, twenty, one at Rogers Campground in the beautiful white mountains of New Hampshire for fast happens the week after the. porcupine freedom. Festival and for forecast is decentralized, which means no one is in charge also means nobody can shut it down. Also means there's not let nobody shut it down. Nobody wouldn't want to I. Hope Nobody doesn't do that. 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Pair of the late eighties, early nineties and I still still love it. You know one of the things I'm. Looking forward to. Live concerts and but when's the last time you? Oh. I take. It was flair was a while ago well, concerts got. Yeah, you gotTA. Be Most of these musicians Oh man, they're they're. You know they're posing man these guys you know rebelling against. The government and all this stuff and their music but they're she they're leftist. You gotta you know and you got you can't expect them to stand up i. mean you gotTa be an established big name to take a stand. In any. Acting, the music business, any of that stuff otherwise, you'll get dog pile and you're basically committing. Career suicide? Yeah. Well, Van Morrison he's old enough to where he doesn't like maybe he's always been that way, but he's also got the benefit of he's at the end of his life. So it doesn't really matter what he does and he can take a stand like that a lot of these other guys that are too cowardly they're worried about losing their their fans. Yeah, it's it's a law damage man like you know the whole punk thing was all rebellion and all that back when it started but a lot of it now it's just you know. It's phony fake and you I mean, it's. There are some there are a few people l. occasionally say things like like the singer a slayer I believe he said some. Pro Small government stuff awhile back and he got dog pile by his buddies. Yeah. That's true. Tolerance has spoken on occasion there. There's there's been a few others who've spoken. You know something. To rebelliousness. But I haven't seen anybody act on it. I haven't seen anybody you defy any of these lockdown orders you know in order to throw a concert I. Know there was a rock band called Kaya? Didn't great white sorry to interrupt you. All right great white did did hold something in but South Dakota? State's where there weren't a whole lot of restrictions but. Outside of those outliers, they're certainly not a lot of it happening for people who are supposedly the rentals are right you. Yeah it's it's kind of I, guess you know my age I'm not surprised by but. You know there's no and people in the society if you really I mean it's I just got a generation sheep coming up man a follow anything they'll. They'll. They're scared of government. It's you know. I don't know. I don't see much leadership from older people though. You know like I. I try. If you. If you've got if you're up in the years and you're retired all your kids are grown up you don't have the standard excuses that a lot of activists do because a lot of times you know and activists that was a good activist will become a you know retired activists when they have kids because then they'll say, oh, I don't want the government to take my kids for me. Therefore, I won't take any significant risks doing activism. Well, if you're seventy, seventy, five years old and all your kids are grown up than what you got to lose. Yeah actually they're the ones who should be banned because they're their grandkids and their kids were Have to deal with all this nonsense and they're also old enough to remember when it was better when there were more freedoms in in the United States, they're old enough to have had this perspective whereas you know young people these days. If you're eighteen years old, you've never been through an airport before the TSA through. Yeah. Yeah. The whole world change after nine eleven. The Patriot. act. All that stuff man it's like they're all. Conspiracy theories and all that. But they're clamping down they've been leaving slowly doing it and. It's been. It seems like they're they're not gonna let go. Progression of one fake emergency after the other from the Cold War to the war on drugs to the war on terror to the war on cove it and and you know eventually they're they're not even feel they have to lie anymore. Then it will openly be a war on us. Yeah. Any final thoughts right. Yeah. That's it. Man thanks. Thanks for listening. Yeah I I. I'm again disappointed in, you know the musicians. Even, coming up when I did like Joe, I was an eighties kid right I. discovered I didn't like pop music urinate teen weren't you? I was born in seventy two. You know my my older siblings were listening to like arena rock and top forty. Casey Kasem all that stuff I discovered heavy metal by accident. Yeah and it was because the eighties were the most over-decorated generation I think on planet earth right and like this heavy metal I discovered, we're just like kids in jeans and t-shirts and get on stage rocket out and so I was attracted to that because they were defying the norm. That's what I was attracted to defying what I perceived as the musical norm and so I was drawn to that and so but even before that in the sixties, every social movement has had its music right where every. Travesty every tragedy all that stuff, right? Four dead in Ohio and you know all the antiwar songs from the hippies in the during the Vietnam War and all that kind of those rebels are the power structure. Yeah and so like where are the people who are reflecting this horrendous time that we are being subjected to at the hands of the authoritarian government? There apparently. Reflecting that in their music. So yeah, not not that many. I don't see it then Morrison. He seems to be the only one. Eight five, five, four, five, zero, three, seven, three, three is our number. If you like to give us a call and talk about whatever's on your mind I saw an article today about the tool lead singer going off on. People who don't believe in you know the pandemic or whatever while really blah. 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And if you're a musician on a budget, sometimes you have to charter a bus to go and do a thing, and then of course, there's the tourism industry that uses these charter buses but something's going on and they're endangered of going away well I, mean this seems like an obvious story right? I mean if if people aren't going out of their homes, they certainly aren't traveling and they're certainly not traveling. In groups, which is, of course, what the tour bus industry was based around me you know how many of us haven't been you know having been on the roads driving from wherever to wherever in seeing these massive coach buses going down the road full of old ladies or full of you know Asian tourists or full of the local baseball team right? Like these are the types of people that. All the retirees to the casino they do that. Yeah exactly. And now, the retirees aren't allowed to go anywhere. Clarence Cox from CNN over what the story is. Clarence Cox took over thirty five year old motorcoach business from his father and uncle and had hopes of one day giving it to his daughters. But with a five million dollar fleet parked for months during a pandemic and by the way, the government's the pandemic. Oh it certainly in no federal aid, his goal is now just to make it to the end of twenty twenty. His Business Georgia coach lines is one of the thousands of small family owned bus companies across the United States urging Congress to approve immediate aid unlike the airlines or Amtrak. The motor coach industry hasn't received any funding from the two point two, trillion dollar cares act passed by Congress and Narin. That's right well neither of the people. Twelve hundred bucks yeah. Remember Give Me Liberty He'd be twelve hundred bucks. Remember that. Wow. So that's like how much is that a week how long we've been prisoners well, twenty. Five weeks now also. Yeah. Wow that's like thirty six a week you can buy like you know. Thirty three bucks a week Peter Pan to so president and CEO of the American Bus Association said I can't really identify for you why we haven't been included apparently you didn't have enough political friends. That's why. The American. Bus Association estimates that private buses provide six, hundred, million passenger trips a year or they did previously second only to commercial flights I, know why 'cause buses aren't essential? That's basically what they're saying. Pan To so said, eighty thousand of the industry's one hundred thousand employees have been furloughed this year the American bus association said the industry usually sees fifteen billion dollars in revenue each year in twenty twenty so far the companies have only brought in for. The motor coach industry along that means they're actually doing better than the movie theaters the motor coach industry along with the school bus industry and passenger water vessel companies are now collectively asking Congress to approve ten billion dollars in loans and grants us what everybody's doing. They're all billion up at the trough. They're all begging poor that money that government money down our throats and what happens when they get that government money is it increases the amount of inflation. Supply, because the government has to get that money from somewhere so they get it from the Federal Reserve who just prints it up out of thin air they don't is not backed by anything. So it creates more money supply, which means that the more of this they do the more of these bailouts they do the more cash they inject into the system whenever you hear about Clinton, easing or anything like that. That's what they're doing. They're just printing money out of thin air, tossing it into the system and making the dollars you already have worth even laugh either effectively hurting their customers. But they don't realize that right they're hurting the economy. If the government really wanted to give some financial aid to these ailing businesses, they would just go ahead and lift all their fricken restrictions. Sure. Fix It. But then they would look like they weren't doing anything. Like they do something to me I wish they wouldn't do anything I heard you would be a great idea. Unfortunately, you know while you may be correct and while maybe some of the people in these businesses understand what inflation is respect our own isn't that the libertarian concept of government. We're GONNA take over your government and leave you alone and do nothing. Yeah. Leave you that you do nice take over the world and leave it the hell loan unfortunately as many people might realize what you're saying captain is true that doesn't stop them from going ahead with begging for the bailouts because ultimately please master this. Please, king me please kick me down an extra loaf of bread. Yeah. Well, if you meant is that great fiction through which everyone tries to live at the expensive everyone asks what we're seeing happening right now, and the thing is you at to some extent can't blame business for trying to get some of this money. I mean we know some people in the libertarian community I'm not gonNA name names who did actually acquire some of these what do they call them PPP loans or something like that on what it stands for but personal whatever anyway, they took these loans because the money's there well. If Your If your choices are to rob or be robbed, the rational thing to do is rob your parents or your your parents. Your neighbors are not refraining from robbing you blind. So why should you not rob them back? Get a piece of the action and that's ultimately all the bus lines want they just want a piece of the bailouts they want a piece of us is your take one and no country can live. No country can survive by just robbing each other and Brazilian summer thing that's right and this is not going to work. They seem to think that this is going to bridge some sort of a gap. Okay. It'll just be temporary. We're just GONNA take some money just to keep our business alive and then all of a sudden just at the politicians stop being power hungry good luck waiting for that. Yeah. Well, it won't happen until. The system that give them incentive to use power hungry greedy authoritarian tyrannical power right goes away. Right I mean plenty of people understand what's going on but how many Libertarians refused twelve hundred dollar check it wouldn't have made any difference if you did. So you might as well go ahead in deposit right I didn't take. It's refusing taxes is what would is what would help sure refusing payment isn't gonNA do anything correct because your neighbors of already been robbed that's right and refusing not only to pay taxes but refusing to obey I, think that's one of the most. The big thing that's sub the taxation thing is a subset refusing to a barack right? I would like to see more people refusing to obey where are the balls in America, where are they? So the Buzzer housing to the left and the right it's my belief. The myboyo should be of it's funny. We were just talking about that song last night to. The American Bus Association said, the industry usually sees fifteen billion in revenue every year quote every small business I think across America is hurting at some level said the ABA game he said, but there are very few other industries that are almost completely shut down with. No hope of coming back for at least six months next year, and then it'll be a slow recovery. So He's Saying look our industry is more important. Our industry is essential. You need to help us out, and this is basically what all of them are arguing and it's understandable. Your Business is essential whatever it is that you do it's essential to your happiness. It's essential to your customers wellbeing and it's essential to the well-being of your employees. It's essential a you know if not a central. Government. Yeah that's the problem. They're a big leach on the face of society do nothing but sucking your blood in the form of money. have. You had enough yet eight, five, five, five, zero, three, seven, three, three I guess people are looking for punishment and they just want more and more speaking are we've got more for you coming up we'll take your calls and thoughts on Free Talk. Live. 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It's an interesting idea doing what I was really hoping to do was to rental rent a restaurant for a night and either get some strippers or a band Trailer and you can have both of them. Why not both of them with? Mark. Yeah Yeah do you think there would be room in that? Trump hundred percent. Sure of. The The What is IT can out? Is it possible? You're too high to drive this truck though I mean that's what I'm wondering who come down so. There I'm not driving How's it going to get to us? Must come down. Okay because. Now. Is this just because you're completely out of work and you're just that desperate to have somebody you know hire you. As a terrible question isn't it? I'm just asking. Question No, it's legitimate question. So you're not out of work, is that what you're saying? I didn't say anything WHO. To, ask you can have a conversation about like what's motivating you to offer to drive from what was it New Mexico All. The way across the country I'm currently in New Mexico again, that's not what's motivating me what's motivating me? The Same thing is motivating you. Know I'M GONNA party. Reason. Decency. Action. You know I appreciate that. But don't you think there's a lot of people like in New England that have truck trailers, tractor trailers available for for if we wanted to pay them to do that. Do you army actually has, of course. We'll. Ask a question. It does suggest I would like an answer, but you can keep being obstinate if you'd like. Well being whatever the hell you said that I was trying to. What I was trying to be isn't exactly what I called. Tell you what I was trying to do. That very cost I. Don't I. Don't I don't care if it was nice. Would it costs to rent a trailer from across the country? No thing nothing zero. Hello. How are you going to get up here gases and cheap I. Mean it's Kinda cheap but it's still gonNA cost a lot of money to drive an entire. Eighteen wheelers actor trailer. Own Question How am I going to get there I'm GONNA drive there. So you're GONNA donate the gas to get up here I mean that's awfully generous. Well it's not gases diesel. Okay. All right I can't have a conversation with this guy mark appreciate the. Thanks brother see in new? Hampshire. That, it's so weird though because we do screen the calls in the little note pop up and it said something about fifty three foot tractor trailer and I was like you know the creative part of me is like maybe like he wants to let us use it for like a ban stay willing to do it for free. Now. You only get mark when you sober up feel free to email nobody at elect nobody dot com. Yeah. Because nobody wants to hear it. Well, here's your only other problem is now you've got a tractor trailer where you park it. I have a couple of places. I can suggest right in front of the station. Yeah. There you go. I like it. There was look forward to attending trying to remember who the band was. It was a bad eighties band who's either like slade or maybe Jackal where they they did a publicity stunt basically, they rented a flatbed trailer and pulled into believe it was k. mart parking lot or something along those lines, one of these department stores and just played their loud rock and roll music for a crowd. Of whomever gathered his there, and then eventually the cops show up and arrest them and whatever and so you know they got publicity for Nice that kind of thing and so that's that's always a thing in the back of work. Now, that kind of effect but that could work now like if you've got a new band or like you want to get some publicity for your band, that'd be the way to do it. Yup. GotTa we've still got a fine venue. Well, no was just saying you just pop it up in a parking lot somewhere and just start playing and get arrested E. Yeah. But I really, I, mean, I've been in the back of a of a trailer I. Don't think you can have a bad onto. A flatbed bed. Right. So imagine an outdoor stay stay. Did. She, at for. Saying by you know standing on a dock, but the thing is it's cold outside right now. Yes. They're talking about doing it in November. I was talking about doing it sometime soon. Okay. Yeah. I. Was I mean if you could rent a warehouse, you could do it anytime of the year you can get a band in there. Did you hear about the Horny Guy who couldn't spell? He spent the night at a warehouse now. Let's. Yes. I've. Here on free. Talk Live let's go to David in New Mexico David, you're on free talk live. Yellen the add onto that the truck drivers calling Albuquerque, but it reminds me of that old ACDC video, my favor one that Long Way to the top with Bon Scott. On the flatbed you know yeah that's right. They did that to that. Yes it's a great video. Great Song everybody you gotTa look at it on. To your sure on Youtube during the break, we were talking about that ACDC actually has a new album coming out in like two or three weeks. New Song is called shot in the dark, which totally sounds like a double entendre. But Hey albuquerque. So what was going on with that truck drivers is Albuquerque's gotta killer blizzard just went through the all the roads are completely parking lots because of ice nobody can move at all and so. In Albuquerque New Mexico. Yeah. Yeah real man. And but there has been a lot of snow in the middle part of the country but that's a little south expect. How often does that happen? Pretty frequently actually the way where where Albuquerque fits between the eastern weather systems and the western ones you're just kind of a clash in a borderline there. There's some really violent dramatic whether that happens all through here. Yeah and in the winter people think Albuquerque New Mexico's warm in the winter only southern New Mexico is warm in the winter the rest of it. Is like which is you know booby but anyway so so anyway, that truck driver he obviously he got the knock off work earlier early. That's why he's getting the celebrate a little bit and you won't have to go out first thing in the morning like either he's GonNa be parked probably half the day tomorrow so he gets to have some fun so. Cut Him. Some slack. Okay. So now I understand why you say that was his issue because I didn't see how a blizzard between him and me would would make him more anxious to drive here for free. So in titus into the to the lockdown. So the governor has locked down the state right and came out what she's been keeping these restaurants close trying to kill him for for months now, fast tightened down the restrictions again and and they're still only allowed They get like fifty percent or seventy, five percent in their outdoor tent but they fed up, they got put heaters in you know in the parking lot. Can only have yeah and they can only twenty five percent indoors until the whatever bizet. David, we appreciate it. That's all we have for tonight FREETALKLIVE DOT COM. Thanks everybody pace. 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Hundred nine three to five, five, one, seven once again that's eight, hundred, nine, three to fifty, five, seventeen. Live. Worldwide Sports Line USA and here's host Ron. And wherever you might be around the country and around the world, I'm Ron Bar we'd got John America's sports talk shows sports byline good to have you with us and back in one thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight that was the first time we said that. We didn't say worldwide we said nationwide because back in one thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight sports byline was the first sports talk radio network nationally I got the idea when I was doing local show in San Francisco and Duke Snider was in the studio with me a man called and he said you know Ron way to thirty five years to talk and listen to Duke Snider and tonight you're giving me the chance and that was the seed for what I. Thought was something that was needed and that was a national sports talk show. 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It's often said that man's failures are chronicled on the front page man successes are chronicled on the sports page, and one of the things that I've always believed in is that sports is the toy department of life will walk garrison the former running back for the Dallas cowboys visited us on sports byline. and. One of the things that I noted in his bio besides being outstanding running back in the NFL is that in the off season, he was on the Rodeo circuit and I also saw that he liked in his faire free time to write lyrics. So I asked him off the top of his head if he would share a limerick with us, help people talk about reincarnation. Reincarnation, is the belief that when you die, you're gonNA come back is something you weren't when you were here but actually die you're gonna be that. When you come back. So if you and I talked about reincarnation and You would say what is reincarnation? Ron asked me as a friend. I well told him when you laugh comes to in a worse you neck and comb your hair and clean your fingernails, and then they stick in this party box away from last travails. Then you in the box going to hold it's been dug in the ground and ran carnation starts Ron when they plant you in that Mount, the clouds meltdown as does the box and you who are inside. and. That's when you're beginning your transformation ride. and. Then while aggressive, grow a phone that rendered man until one day on that spot a lonely flowers found. And then a horse might wanNA buying heat this lonely flower that once was Ye, but his now become your vegetative power. Now this flower that the horses eight long with these other feed makes bone fat and muscle. Essential to that steed. But now there's a part that he can't use. And so it passes through. And now lies upon the ground. This thing that once was you. And if by chance I happened by and I, see this on the ground I'll stop and I'll ponder on this object I have found. And I'll think about reincarnation and laugh and death and such, and I'll come away thinking. You Know Ron. You really ain't changed all that much. I still laugh to this day when I hear that we had about five hundred requests for a copy of that. Limerick and the thing that amazed me the most about while doing it was he didn't know that I was going to even ask him about something like that and he did it off the top of his head. So Walt Garrison having a little fun with us on sports byline. I've worked with Roy firestone before and of course Roy the host. On ESPN when they had up close and personal a great interviewer but also talent in so many ways other than just interviewing. He has an act that he takes to. Las. Vegas and around the country as well and as I said, we've been on shows together and when he was with us on sports byline, one of the things that he does he mimic that. Howard. cosell and he talked about a time he was on an airplane with Howard Cosell. The thing that I always remember Cosell is when it was good feel like a romance but when it was good with Howard, it was great because I would travel with the we'd be on the on the tarmac in Laguardia. Swear on he did this routinely. He would he would get into this this whole lyrics from songs, kind of mentality. Call me irresponsible all me. Then I blamed mad for you and he would do that. Now he had this habit. This was almost a calling toward anyone. He knows cosell in the seventies new. This is true. I'm not making this up. He would get into this New York, New York kind of thing there's no other way to put it. He would be on the plane he was he would actually say start spreading the news and I'd say, what do you want Howard? He'd go I'm leaving today where do you WanNa date I wanna be a part of it and wear and oh no ya he would get into this New York, New York lyrics thing and all you felt like it was dot dot dot. I mean it was so strange it was surreal but he was always on and he was never though. L.. Michaels told me a story wants during a playoff game and I think it was when the Yankees were taking on the Kansas City chiefs in the American. League Championship series after a game they were going back in their limo and they were going through a tough town part of town in Kansas City and they go by the street corner. He's you know the story you tell. The story as I understand with these two guys were getting ready to beat the hell. They were beating the hell out of each other and the limousine stops and cosell gets other limousine. He goes obviously diminutive one on the right is taking the biggest punishment. But right there that one got and he starts doing play by play these guys in a knife fight or a bottle fighter and they stopped and they were totally in shock that he's a twitter away. But away the bottles put away the knives this fight is over, and now it's time for he starts to interview the people like it was like ABC's in the meantime Al Michaels has cowering in the backseat of the by the way you might put the put that in. You know what happens after that What happens is Al tells me that that he gets back into the Limo on their driving often and Al says to Howard Howard you could have gotten you have gotten killed and we could have gotten killed with you and he looks at our he is young man I know who I am. I, know I. Do a bit that I think I've been asked to do that and that is the Howard cosell and Mohammed Ali Iressa rap group as a rap as good. This is part of my stage act which we've we've talked about before. Well, I just thought that you know in the seventies of team in the nineties they the only thing that could have been would have been rob group. So here it is if ladies and gentlemen in the audience, you can have to acknowledge the fact that I don't have any rap kind of sounds here so. Talk Hello everybody I'm Howard cosell that further ado, dance the opening bell ahead today to observe a three time champ with a hell of a nerve fought all comers with speed and savvy though in later years he got cloudy how? Would you see you hot in could have to pay I with style how with class you ain't nothing but a pain in my. That's basically. A very talented Roy firestone with us and you on sports byline talking about the late Howard cosell over the years and think there's an image about pro athletes that they're really macho and indeed they are. But really I think the real power at any athletes family is probably the woman in that family and here is a couple of examples of Joe Nemeth and Joe Theismann as they joined us on sports byline and I wanted to keep them A. Little bit longer in the interview. But of course, they had to ask the power in the House and here is Joe Namath and Joe thighs men can stay on another ten minutes with us and we'll talk a little bit about what you're doing with sportsline CBS sports line, and also get some other fans a chance to chat with the already have to run. Well, wait a minute ride. Let me ask my wife because she just walked into room. You're talking. So let me ask talk for about ten more minutes. Bar. Will you tell her I said thank you. Thank you. Joe. I know you're back east there it is. Robin wants you to come to bed or can you stay and talk to the fans I? Honey. Can I talked to the fans a little bit. She said, yes you know you're the second I got to pass that test. What what is it about? Do you know? Do you know the Joe Nemeth was with us two weeks ago and he did the same thing he turned to his wife and asked for permission to. Doesn't. Back So Joe Nemeth and Joe Thighs men asking the women of the House if they could stay a little bit longer with sports byline Bob Costas is somebody that I respect a great deal and I know many of you out there do as well. He is one sportscaster of the year a number of times and when Bob and I get together we have. Some really wonderful philosophical conversations about baseball about broadcasting. He's always been very candid, and of course, his career started at a very young age in Saint Louis when he was in his early twenties at Cammo X. Radio. But when the ABA was around, he also was a broadcaster for the Saint Louis Spirits and when we got together, one of the things we talked about was. Those early days of broadcasting the you know it was unbelievable on their literally were times when games were in jeopardy because teams didn't have the funds to pay for the airline tickets or the they were being held by deputies because they couldn't check in or out of hotels because of overdue bills I remember one time we arrived in Denver for a game against The. Then Denver rockets and we couldn't check into the hotel until they wired funds from. Saint. Louis to settle all outstanding charges from the last time we were in Denver and here's a bunch of guys you know six, nine, six, ten guys sitting around the hotel lobby for three four hours waiting to check in, and this is supposedly a professional league I broadcast many games. In which Dr J. Played and the ice man. George Gervin artists Gil more people like that. In front of crowds of fifteen, hundred, sixteen, hundred, I remember one game in Saint Louis against the San Antonio Spurs where the announced crowd was eight, hundred seven and I actually counted clusters of people and I don't think they were really more than half that many people and now through. Throughout the NBA, even the lesser teams played a capacity in your capacity every night. So it's it's it's quite a contrast, but it was a wild wide open league exciting ball was being played. You know there was the genesis of the three point shot and a wide open style and and crazy fashions and guys with the biggest afros. You've ever seen guys who were six four listed at. Six eight and you thought it was true because they picked up an extra four inches with the Afro and the Slam Dunk contest was started in in the Aba at the last all star game in Denver, and of course, we had Dr. J. who was one of the great legendary figures of the Seventies Sports Bob Costas and I talking a little sports history and when he? Was Part of the Aba Broadcasting, and of course, later on a couple of those franchises from the Aba joined the NBA we continue on with our anniversary show coming up Bill Russell. Wheelchair and David Robinson Michael Jordan, coach K., and so much more good to have you with us as we continue across the country and around the world, we've got you on America's sports talk show sports by. Have you written a book. You can become a published author with Duran's publishing the nation's oldest publishing services. 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One of the things that I've said since day number one back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight is the first day I don't want to walk through the door and sit down here in turn on the microphone I won't do it because I have thoroughly enjoyed sitting here, being able to talk to you fans around the country and around the world, and also with the wonderful athletes, the coaches, the managers, the people in Sports One thing that I've particularly found. Especially, with my trips to the Middle East, visit our troops over in Iraq and Afghanistan also in Germany. Guantanamo. Is that sports is such a great bridge. Everybody remembers something about their love for sports. One of the things that I count my blessings for the people that I've got to know in sports over the years and I'm often asked his I'm talking around the country or just run into sports fans about the people that I admire the most or that I've. been impressed with of that I've enjoyed meeting in sports and Phil. Russell is certainly on that list I got to know him when I was up in Seattle when I was a sportscaster up there on television because I did the Sonics on television when he was up there he came down and did almost two hours with us on sports byline one night and it was fascinating. It was the real bill Russell and one of the things that we talked about because. A, lot of people believed why he had a big rivalry with wilt chamberlain that they did not like each other to the contrary. There was respect there was admiration and really in a sense a love for each other and he talked affectionately about wealth and the effect that wilt hat on his life and his career but the walk on the floor and debated Joe Senator Circle with him. The first time he was I thought he was at least five inches taller. And so. I'm wondering now. Okay. Look at me I. Do I do I look up? You know. So I said well I'LL START I'll just look straight ahead. So I'm looking at his chest. Then and then you go credit. Look Up. And and Washington place to Mexican. Games. So I had a pretty good idea what he did. On the teams that he played. When they in training, they'd have racist. He was fastest based on his team running for the court together. He could touch the top of the backboard. and. He had a variety of shots. And he was smart. And so again that it Will I gotTA show up So. We started playing. And I realized very quickly in the vertical up and down how jumping straight up and down I was no match. and. I knew that. I come close but I was. If we get to jump straight up ten times he come up with. With. The advantage eight nine times but also looked at him and I saw that he's. A horizontal movement sack was not as good as mine so I have to subtle way. Try to get him to play satisfy. And that's a settled because. If you do it, he would counter it. Right away in other words if I had to play him. In a to expand, play four times. I'd have to play different every game. I. Couldn't go out there and say, well, do this and do this. Do this that got him under control no. You got to constantly adjust. And it's like The shields. Star Trek on the ship you gotTa keep calibrated. But I thought he was. First of all I don't know if you've come with. Extraordinary comes face. He was he was very interesting man I. found that fascinating. Yes. We see. In fact when I went to his memorial service in Los Angeles. Lousier one of his nephews came said Mr Russula not. To know this. I was clearing Michael's desks. Just, yesterday. And on this Pat, he had list of people who are GONNA call. And your name was second list. He'd called me Felton not call him Norman. that. Those it in middle names that have mothers put on us. Good friends can you right and? It's always to talk about a variety of things 'cause he was interested in New Orleans that he lived in. And I never get one night he called and left a message is urgent and he was. Agitated. So call them back. And what what he says, do you believe this crap what? What did what? Sports illustrated had done a cover and asked the question. Was Dennis Rodman the rebounder ever? And I heard him so incensed. His best a game. was against me you got fifty five rebounds. and. My best rebound games Syracuse got fifty one. So that, we'd only two guys to go into fifties in rebounds or single game. and. For the regular season the play-offs he averaged twenty, two, point nine and average two point five. And so that's Really. Close. And and. We wish to talk about He eating feel he was accurately portrayed. I seriously miss him. It's a, it's a part of my life. Adelphi my career. That the. The battles that we had, and so it says well. You really. Be Chamberlain ingested know. About. We beat everybody. I mean, we beat everybody. that. We weren't games against him. I said, but there were a lot of nights when he was over fifty points. In Games against and because I never ever thought. was never concept to stop him. Because I if I were to say, okay, I'm going to stop. Then I was doing failure. And a enough failures can frustrate you. what hours Are Dedicated was. Winning every game that we played. And to discipline myself. To assist Thousand League I. And we waited championships. When he came out, disciplines have not to change. My Focus. He's averaging thirty five points to thirty seven point game first year. I'm averaging about. Fifteen. I, WANNA go I. Say okay. I'M GONNA show WHO's Best I'm GONNA average thirty points a game. I could've done. But we wouldn't win very many champion and you understood who you were in what you? Yes and you didn't allow somebody else to change. Right so as I just said, well, this is what I do for this team. All I'm GonNa do is the same thing. Maybe better. I'm a pathways. To do what I do better. And that's an and but the display is. I would add move away from the way I was playing because I knew that that was for me. By Body and my mind, this was the best way for me to play Bill Russell with us on sports byline. He never signs autographs and he asked are I asked him why he never did and he said because I believe a person's worth is more than just their signature on a piece of paper and over the years a lot of people tried to get him to sign autographs. They would send checks to his favorite charity hoping that he would endorsed the back of them but bill had a stamp. And he would stay up the back of them. Well, Chamberlain also on Sports Byline as you know, most noted for probably one hundred point game that was in Hershey Pennsylvania and Al adults who was his teammate with Philadelphia Warriors. At that time likes to tell the story that he and wilt combine for one hundred and two points. Wilt had one hundred of them. Of course, a lot of people think that that hundred point game was his most memorable game. But when he was with us I asked him what was his most memorable game? For me believe in that it was like I games it was the first game and college and the first game in the NBA in college they had wait a whole year before I played on the Varsity team because that's what you had to do back an anti doping nine, thousand years ago you weren't allowed to play as a freshman. So there was a great deal of anticipation me coming from Philadelphia to Kansas to begin with and then getting what you play my first NCWA game. We had been writing about for a whole year and it was like. Kind of nerve wracking for me 'cause every day people were saying I. Am we're waiting to see you were waiting to see us a funny today has come and you know I had a really really for me was just the pre game. It was a good a good game but I was nervous, very, very much at first but I got fifty some odd points and thirty seven rebounds and we gotta handle and it made it made a statement to the world or at least the sports world said I had arrived and I was going to be a good basketball player. Was the first big man to dominate in basketball. The statistics certainly do prove that and over the years that I got to talk with him. One of the things that I found interesting about him was that he liked Bill Russell were interested in other things outside of basketball bill, Russell course grew up in the San Francisco Bay area went to the University of San Francisco and both of them talked about civil things about life in general beyond just the basketball court and that's something that you usually don't expect to hear out of athletes I think a lot of people believe that athletes only have one thing on my on their mind and that's the sport that they. Happen to play coming up in the next segment Michael Jordan joined us on sports byline. It was an interview that I enjoyed with him in Chicago when we were there and also the motivation behind Michael's greatness David Halberstam, the Pulitzer Prize winning author wrote a wonderful book about him that gave me and I think a lot of other people great insight as to why Michael Jordan was so successful and he also will share a story about Michael that I think you'll find fascinating David Robinson will be here as well. He talks about disappointing people as I said that fear of failure a driving force with athletes it's good to have you with us on sports bylines anniversary show. And now today's rust eating tip of the day presented by free all deep penetrating oil. You're all set for a quick tire rotation until you have a rusted on Wheel Coz Lug nuts and penetrating oil. Let them sit for a few minutes and you'll have them off an essential. 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So there's no risk for free information call now one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen, that's one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen, one, eight, hundred, two, hundred, Fifty, eight, eighteen. This is America's sports talk show sports byline USA. Here's Ron Bar. I don't think anybody would deny that one of the most exciting players in the NBA in basketball history is Michael Jordan. You take a look at his record. You take a look at the championships that he had the six championships with the Chicago Bulls. But what I admire about the man is his ability to be able to perform over a long period of time given not only what the demands were on the court but how everybody wanted a piece of him probably the court as well that focus that commitment that success is something that I have a lot of respect for when he joined us back in the early nineties with the first thing, we started talking about his perspective on basketball. Well sometimes I is great. I mean, when everything's going your way basketball is away from basketball court doing commercials all that stuff is a lot of fun but. When you WANNA have quieted down time with family and with your with your friends or in what your kids whatever you know. It's always an intrusion of the people there consistently. So it has advantages. Are you captured by Your Success Degree Michael? I mean the expectations of Michael Jordan it's awfully hard to live up to that I mean, the media's expectations the fans have expectations. Is Tough I mean naturally you as you move on and and as you have successful things happen to you. You start to set a standard for yourself and if you don't reach as standard every time you step on the basketball court every year that you play the game, the naturally start to hear other type of conversations. It's a it's A. It's a lot of pressure dealing with that and I think you know that's one of the driving forces that keep me playing a game and doing that's how to do is that you wanna be consistent certainly don't want to hit a negative talk about getting all losing step and all that stuff. What's the difference between being winner and champion I remember one time I asked Larry Bird that and also magic Johnson I'm interested in your definition then I'll tell you what they said. Well as Me Championships you have. A game you're one how much lay on the. With the determination that you go out on the Basketball Court with I me, you must enjoy the game but you WANNA play with one hundred and ten percent and laid on the basketball quit on time. They told me that when the game is on the line, they want to be the ones that decide the ultimate outcome. Is that true? Yeah. That's true. I love. I love that situation I think if I wouldn't have had that the successes from stances when I know situation. Probably wouldn't want that to happen but I guess be ended up I started my career basically a shot nineteen eighty-two. gave me confidence to take a shot in the game winning situation. From, that point on our kinda thrive. We had rick mears with us, the four-time Indy Five, hundred winner last week and I asked him the question as to whether he can just simply go out and drive a car and drive it. It's enjoyment that he has driven. It's such a high skill level. I'm just wondering if Michael Jordan could go out and just simply play basketball pickup game really enjoy the game for that aspect of it oh. Yeah. Oh Yeah I still do that quite often you've been. The neighborhoods Roy. Pick up I still. Just going out and picking up a basketball plan with people that may have not known or met played with that really shows you love for the game I think and I still enjoy doing. Is there anything better than to July evening be somewhere in the inner city? Get a bunch of guys out on the court. Sun Is already set. The temperature's still about ninety degrees the humidity equal that. Five on five. Hey, that's how I grew up. It's different than debate in Chicago, North Carolina but. I did that quite a bit last summer in in Chicago I've gone on the south side and found a couple of guys on Sunday afternoon, and we sit down and play basketball. You know four or five hours. It's a lot of fun I. Think you have a lot more relationships established that way a lot more respect. One thing I know about professional athletes that everybody wants to have a part of that athlete and particularly if they're a superstar, they even want a larger part of that. How do you spend off that type of thing so that you can keep some perspective in your life? Well, I, think you know. It's changed vendors lucent. I've been married. Have established a family I. I would say that before I had all that ninety five percent of my time was to the public into the. Corporate sponsorships into the media Now, it's just opposite up cinema tablets is my family and into my friends and you know the other five percent goes to the public and whatever but it's it's taken some time to change it all around. I think you have to keep it in perspective at. Your friends and your family. Always GonNa be there no matter what happens if you basketball wise, they're going to be there to support you. You hope hope that the fans would be there but that's not always guarantee but I. Try to separate the two and and right now I think most of my time is dedicated to my family. You know it's interesting. Michael. You have been very comfortable with the media with fans. We have a host of people here at the front row restaurant here in Chicago tonight and you just mentioned your name anywhere and then they just kind of light up. That is a heavy burden to have to bear those type of expectations Do you ever get down to the point that you feel like you might disappoint people even though you can't satisfy everybody all the time have come to that conclusion now that No one is. Without purity. Purity something that just didn't happen to everyone. You'RE GONNA, make mistake I think that's that's something to have learnt over my last year. So it was a very maturity factor for me. But you WANNA please as many as you can because I do. Enjoy the respect that I've gotten from the fans in Chicago and even funding media. So I will try to please as many I can't but I know that everyone is not going to be pleased and that's something that's just human nature. One more question before I kick, you lose here Michael and that is I'm sure you've watched yourself play through the highlights and what have you and I'm just wondering if you were to step back and just take a look at some of the things that you are able to do with the basketball on the court. What amazes you most about yourself. I think my creativity is something that is never can won't be defined because I don't know exactly limits up to. Go Out, and that's how to play the game I joe the game but a lot of times with my creativity, I surprise myself. But that's just a part of the game itself and that's part of the talent that I have I don't know how I got it somehow God still just telling on me and I just try to you adjutant best interests of myself into the team, and hopefully I can maintain and as long as I do that. Hopefully, the people can be happy I I'm certainly going to be happy because I know I got a trait very few have. Do I assume correctly the first day this game is not any fun for you. The next day you won't play it. You get. The Knicks. I will not even pick up the basketball and he didn't pick up the basketball and walked away from basketball the first time because of the murdering of his dad also the fact that he was very unhappy with the NBA for leaving him out to dry over the chargers about the gambling which he was you know he likes to place a bet but he never did it on basketball, and so he was very unhappy about that and he walked away from the game only to come back in a course win championships after that the thing that I admire about Michael Jordan is he? Understood the game so well, and what I mean by that is that as you heard him, say when the game was on the line, he wanted to be the one to determine the outcome. If he succeeded, he certainly would take the glory. If he failed, he didn't mind taking the blame and the thing about the great players that I have found no matter. What the sport might be is their ability to make other players around them better than they actually are and Michael did that certainly with the Bulls because they had a cast of of other players now Scottie Pippen was good the. Worm was good no doubt about it but everybody else kind of filled in the blanks. He also understood the game well, enough that on a moment to moment basis in any game, he knew what he had to do to make the team successful and I don't think any of us will ever forget the playoff series against the Utah Jazz when he had that temperature well, over a hundred he came out and he won that game against the Utah Jazz just an amazing performance. David Halberstam the Pulitzer Prize winning author wrote a fascinating insightful book about Michael Jordan and one of the things. That I have found also about Michael Jordan Mohammed Ali and other players of that type is that they need to have certain motivations. They liked the ongoing challenge. Ali had to have that to have a good fight. Jordan had to have that in order to perform as well as he could. He would even create it within himself when it was not even there at one of the stories that David Halberstam told that I thought was very insightful was one time when the Chicago Bulls were going to Portland on a United Airlines flight and had had to deal with the baggage. Here's that story. They're flying in and in those days you know they flow, they flew commercial and fly as they do now charge. So it's It's the early primitive days of the NBA and. The trainer is they pulled in The trainer you know on a team usually takes kids like a road secretary with the team. He takes care of tips and gets the team on the bus takes care of luggage and as as their. As the plane comes into the terminal the baggage men come on the plane. Because they know Michaels on it and they WANNA say low and shake has many of them are black and Michael is a black icon is as well as an icon due to other people and. The. Trainer notices. that Mark Weil notices that Michael's hands. One of the baggage handlers, fifty dollars like a tip. And he says Dunno Michael I take care of that I I do all that stuff? and. Michael. Turns was mark. Watch. This. So they crew through the Portland airport and they get down. To the where the baggage. Conveyor. Belt and. And mark comes in any notices the entire team is gathered around the entryway to the baggage conveyor and they're all putting down a hundred dollar bills and there's a bed and Michael's orchestrating this and the bed is. WHO's baggage? BAG IS GONNA come, out first. And Red Light comes on it goes buzz buzz, buzz and outcomes and guess who's back. Out I and Michael Sweet's up a thousand dollars courage to mark file and says not a bad return on a fifty dollar Aimar. Wonderful Hash to win, he wins at everything because he has to. That's Pulitzer Prize winning author. David Halberstam I think that that story in itself is very, very telling I. got the no David Robinson when he came out of the Naval Academy his first posting was in Charleston South Carolina, and I had a chance to interview him at that time and we had a long long discussion on the air but after he started playing in the NBA toward. The end of his career we caught up with each other once again, one of the things in one of the questions I asked him was about his fear of failure about disappointing people just like I asked Michael here was his response to that question that's always been a big part of my life. I you know different people have different personalities and I'm noticing that with my son's now. You know three different three little boys with three personalities and my personality. I don't like to disappoint people I feel a huge responsibility to go out and give everything I have, and that's how I feel about my playing I have a gift I'm seven feet tall I can do that and I have this athletic ability and and in this body and I feel like you know, God, gave me this for a reason and I can't waste it I I just can't i. don't have that that luxury to just pass on it. You know you can't. Be afraid to fail I. Mean We had we had a playoff failures in the past and and and I had personal failures and and and it's been tough. But I, you know I don't look at it. The way the rest of the media and the world looks at it. You know I think those to me. Those are great experiences. I mean I see those as as you know, real opportunities for me to dig down deeper and to find something that you know that I need to to be a champion and and I'm excited about. Him I mean I look back and I'm very disappointed about him. But also excited because the possibilities are great in front of me and and and so I mean I definitely gave myself I don't think it's unfair for the media or the public to judge me by success by winning because that's how I judge myself. So there was David Robinson and I think when you think about what he had to say I think it tells you a lot of why the man was successful as a basketball player and as he goes on in his Life Future Hall of Famer he's going to be successful in anything that he does. Let me switch gear here. Here's here share with you a comment, the Dean Smith another man that was mostly successful of of totally successful in college basketball, the winningest college basketball coach Of course, if you take a look at college basketball today, take a look at college sports. There's some question about the integrity of different programs. So I asked Dean Smith who certainly build a wonderful program at North Carolina successful and with great integrity about building such a program with integrity. I don't think it's difficult at all to decide. You know in the beginning that you know winning isn't everything and fact we never mentioned when except when I was Olympic coach in Nineteen, seventy six, that's all I talked about. John Thompson. My Assistant John and Bill Gates Ridge, and the team. We just said hey gang. We've got to win the gold back from the Soviet Union but we never really mentioned a Chapel Hill and fortunately we want enough. So I keep my job really we act most programs. Those we competing and still. The same way they recruit legally they They know they have to be students, I mysterious students. Our graduation rate is ninety seven point something percent, and that's what we get good people and that's not the coaching staff although we make them go to. Class and then almost forty percent go on and have graduate degrees. So that makes me feel very pleased. I think that speaks volumes about the man and also about the program that he built a Chapel Hill and North Carolina when we come back in the next hour, we're going to share with you the tribute that we made to. Mickey Mouse the night that he passed away Hank Aaron will drop by also. Willie mays who was the very first gas first night first hour. When we lots sports byline back in one, thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, Mark Maguire also John Miller will be here. A lot of people ask about that interview with him when he does his baseball impressions also John Elway. Trooper. John John Madden in many more. It's nice to have you with us as we celebrate our birthday on America's sports talk show. Hello and welcome back to the Ronnie, do each tax program on the line is Paul from California Hi Paul what's your? Tax Problem Today Hi Ronnie Love Your Show Listen I've got a big problem. 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Bunkercast XXV: Kyle Brandt Redemption

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Bunkercast XXV: Kyle Brandt Redemption

"Flo everybody today's episode of the around the NFL. Podcast is presented by rocket mortgage join rocket mortgage and saying thank you to essential workers by posting a video to everyone knows a hero dot com. Everyone knows a hero dot com also. Don't forget our second twitter show the around the NFL. Twitter show will air live Friday four PM Eastern one. Pm Pacific Nine PM over in the UK. It's a lot of fun it's going to be live. You're going to have interaction From you the listeners. To send us in questions videos whatever you want. We're going to keep you up to date on what happened in the NFL this week. And what's coming up next with the draft oud? It's GonNa be fun so check it out around the NFL twitter show four PM EASTERN ONE PM Pacific nine pm in the UK all right. Let's get to the Thursday show own deal round the NFL. Podcast are never going back to the office. Welcome to another the around the NFL podcast. My name is Dan Hansen coming to you from city filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Sesame. Chris Wesseling Greg Rosenthal. What is up Louise Hay damn another day another day? Not The only hero joining us today. he started saying his resume. Weirder early news. He can destroy you at technical. I'm making his debut appearance on the around the NFL podcast please. Welcome child brands sexy fast guys? Nfl Soundtrack about out. This guitar is that it's a it's turned into a war shock. Test Central People. What THEY WANNA hear? Peter Schrager your colleague on Good Morning Football. What are your dial. He heard Emmanuel and space nineteen ninety. Five I listen I believe. Here's or maybe of someone else needs to be ninety. Chicago bowls the bowls entrance. Music and breaker instant. Booming Murtaugh lethal weapon soundtrack. I thought you pulled that on me and I I appreciate it. I Would Have Gone Red Shoe diaries. In retrospect that's a great call though. Because you could totally see. You know. Mel Gibson introspective brooding drunk. After something bad happens and in that role and I get that what's up Kyle Listen I'm so excited to be here. You the fight of US have been part of NFL Media Group for years and this is the first time I've gotten so I can tell you guys are huge fans it's criminal. It's criminal that we haven't had had you on yet. I have no idea why it hasn't happened. And it's well overdue but we're so happy that you said yes and probably now once once we've gone and taken a step. We're probably going to ask you all the time. So if there's any resentment on your end just start sticking it to us by hitting us with the you know hand in the face. There's no problem I can tell. This is already the hippest show because we have five guys on here and not a one of us has wireless headphones. We all have wired. Guy should have the foam orange ear covers like Mardi medfly. This is going to be great guys. Five guys on. Why assist your obstacle for barrier adding another white guy to the mix? This feels like a little too much. Yeah it's very. It's very nineteen ninety two but it's it's very good to have you here. Kyle and good morning football and we talked about it a lot on this show and I was lucky enough to be part of the show and just a small way last season for the numbers on the you guys share you know the DNA of our show. So I can I can guarantee damn T- you if you're listening to the around the NFL podcast and you can access good morning football. You should watch it because it will become addictive in short order and I really think kyle and I love everybody On the team. But Kyle you are a creative driver of that show. We all know it. And you do such awesome work so we're pumped to have you here and we all love you. Thank you very much. I remember the first time I listen to this podcast. I remember what episode it was that content for the first episode and listen to it was a few years ago and it was a very odd story about you. Guys will remember when Tony. Romo announced that he was done. There was that weird night where he suited up for the Dallas Mavericks. Remember you guys were going at it and I saw flashed across twitter. I'm like I want to say about that and And I've been listening ever since my first episode completely forgot about it. Yeah whatever I don't know what he drank himself into in a sense call by the way I think it was a shame that they never played them in that game. It was a half-measure where you can suit up. Put Him in the game and I want to see somebody. Just lock him down and embarrass them because everything works for Romo I wanNA see could block. He just sat there and smiled the whole time. That's shows are layup line right. Wasn't it the whole thing warm-ups uniform? He was on the team but in the game so he was active. Yeah I mean look at a uniform on on the bench you know next to dirk or yeah. He wasn't filling out that Jersey as much some of the NBA players. Now let me ask you this question. Kyle you're married man happily married. I M happily married as well but my wife has a story during her post college days living in Dallas getting a knock on a door and it was a tall man a rookie for the Dallas. Cowboys. Unknown not playing named Tony. Romo and according to my wife. He asked for a band aid and my wife gave him the vet band-aid and that's how the story ends for me. Should I believe that that was the full story is? Can they have a band? Is that like a euphemism? I turn the story at face value but as time passes I wonder sometimes maybe so i. I am glad that that's not my wife story. It's sounds like sounds diaries. The door came and there was Tony. Romo looking for a band aid at a strong ninety seven percentile probability that something nefarious happened in the store. You're getting is just part of the story skinny news about Tony Romo. He couldn't close so that good ending. He left to the clavicle injury. Yes alright awesome to have you here Here we are going to You have some business to settle. We're GONNA tease it here. We're GONNA get to the bottom Something from the past that connects you to the show and specifically to Kristoff wesseling. Yes like this. I have a feeling there's a star wars vibe in this room I certainly have it. I remember when they when they first came out with episode seven and it was very much just you in March so remember the first line in the episode seven was the very first line was a wrong will be something like that and it was. Basically people are saying they're alluding to the PREQUELS and how bad they were and they're gonna fix them. We need to fix something here on the show as it relates to certainly one of the hosts and as it relates to me. There's a wrong that needs to be righted. I understood the parallel and I thought it was a very strong one. The other three people on the show or they're going to have to do a little bit of research off air to get the very strong point. Made by Karl Brandt their trekkies or something. What are you going to do the same thing I have to say I do? I do get the Ref that ninety nine movie which is the only one I've seen in the theater and no one like the other ones either. So those three movies. That I- tractive. I was tracking that I clocked in. I'm all in on it. We're just wondering what is one of you has the right against drunk and making bad decisions not not like sci-fi what was the ninety nine movie called. Phantom Menace Phantom. I remember sitting in the theater and not really being into star wars but it was such a huge cultural event. Like all right. Let's fly. Let's see what happens here. And then within about seven minutes thinking to myself. This is one of the worst decisions I've ever made. Well IT'S A. It's a shame that that's the only one that you paid a ticket for. I remember being five or six minutes into thinking. This has to be a practical joke. I tell the friend in who had never seen it and you know. There's this hideous jar jar binks character in there and he just kept hitting me. He's like who is this horses figure walking around. I said I don't know I'm horrified. I don't know what's happening here. This summer was the phantom menace. More disappointing or the Jay Glazer News that he promoted this week. Which one is the Fantine as news? Titrate that is great. That is a great tease to get into the news. Yeah so let's do it. Ricky among the last six picks taken a familiar name college football fan. Tom Brady the quarterback who All he did was lead. This football team put them in the right position more times when he got pulled from the game and drew. Henson came in Michigan. Football was not as good as it was. Nobody was in question. Yes it was twenty years ago today. The Tom Brady was drafted by the New England patriots. I know a lot of people don't know this but it was one hundred ninety nine overall and sixth around and how when you that deepen the draft we all know how to draft coverage goes it gets a little spotty in the back end. Tom Brady was drafted during a commercial. Break Straight up. How about to Rico on the call their legal full head of hair? Day Day three definitely Michigan Gay spot thereby to Rico has been doing it for a long time and all right a little quiz the six quarterbacks drafted before Brady in two thousand Kyle brand. Well Chris Redmond for sure I have a first person story about Chris. Redman to I'm just going to interrupt the break your format and say it. Three years ago I was on a family vacation. We were in like a warm weather area Rhonda Hotel and I'm walking down the beach by myself. I'd had some dockery's and it was. My wife was with the kids and just sitting there and my feet are in the water and I look and I see this tall guy. This crew cut a guy and I go Chris. Redman and I walked up to him. This is about three years ago. I was on football at the time and I go. Excuse me you Chris. Retina right goes yeah. How you doing and we're talking and I'm half drunk and and I just I kinda just go so dude like how much does the Brady and the draft up. And he goes every day of my life and I do every day in my life and I feel like yes. I'm the guy today. Yes I was the guy. But he's like what can I do? I had a nice career that everything I could do and I thought he had a great attitude about it so I ran into him every day of his life and now we brought it up here. Chris Redden that's Chad Pennington. Giovanni Ramazi Chris Redman t Martin Mark Bolger and spurgeon win spurs win and let me album. Penticton was the first off the board to the jets around twenty overall twenty five in that range. My favorite jet quarterback ever one of those. What if guys kind of like your Greg Cook West? Maybe not at that level skill wise natural skills but he really was tracking to have an excellent career but the shoulder injuries just derailed it and he still even with those injuries. One Comeback Player of the year twice and had a really nice career. But it's a what could have been in jets history Mr Pennington All right and by the way. If you're watching this clip on social you'll see that in addition to the Princeton photos in the background which I imagine a young kyle. Brett does in those gently there. Can we get into this? I want to say you're wearing Brady Jersey bucks during the go-to three goats in Godwin Jersey. Right now you know. It's the new. It's the Brady and everything. Did they send a lot of trouble with my background? Yes the buccaneers. Sent me a Damn Jersey. I had pictures of myself. Which if you ever watch good morning. I'm extremely low to ever bring up my college playing career because I'm on the same network with Ladainian Tomlinson and Terrell Davis and I just don't have other stuff. I WANNA talk. I just don't do it. I have nothing to put back there. I tried this Walter Payton picture. That was really cool and they shot it down because there's copyrighting photo. I've tried all these cool pop culture things. Do I keep getting shot down? So I'm like you guys. I have to put up pictures of myself. Which is like the douches? Move of all time but other than that. It's just these crappy closets that are encasing my hot water heater in my heart chamber basement. So that's all I'm sorry I know it's lame but I have nothing else. I'm sorry of it. I'd be hanging posters myself. If I played on any level of college football I think lean into it would schrager be apologizing. No He'd be saying. What a bad ass. Is You know what I was thinking about something. I have photos of my good three good morning. Football Co host and different athletic endeavors. Different points of their life. I have a picture of Peter Schrager. Unlike the fourth grade swim team in a Speedo and I was going to print all those pictures and put them here and Keizai like playing volleyball and nates doing whatever he's doing but the schrager like grapes. Mugler picture is unbelievable. I'm even going to try to pull it up as we're talking so I can show you guys are in Schrager and I are very tight. I have to ask his athletic career. Go beyond fourth grade in the pool. No it didn't go on fourth grade anywhere in the funny thing about strangers triggers easily. Six three. He's hoarded with them. You start to play catch with a football you can tell es coordinated Peter. You're so obsessed with football. You're so big. Why did you not play tight end or something in highschool at least and wasn't high school? The coach would run down anyone in the hallway. Who was kind of big or tall? Where was your coach because Peter? You could have maybe done something with this. You just had no interest never wanted to play the game and when you know how you do photo shoots at different you the NFL media things. They want you to take a picture in your suit or whatever. They always have a ball. There's always a ball and the ball and like holding. Toss it and everything. Peter will not touch the ball ever refuses to touch it and the photographers Peter. Let's get a cup with the ball. I won't touch it and I won't do that. I'm looking at my phone because I have so many context things which are only the tools like. He's told us this story. It's so important that when he's doing his pictures I have throw him the ball make him catch it and then I tell them Integra when he's holding the ball. Take the picture just to torture. There's more to this story a lot. There's a lot in this subject on her opinion as well. Yeah all right. GonNa find a picture. Yeah keep looking grape smuggler. Is that what you referred to? It is yes I did look okay say plum smuggler. F- take plums all right. Listen Jay Glazer said. He had a he had huge scoop age and everyone connected it to the Lame floated report by the Moose of her. Wfan that The Vikings and Browns were closing in on a no doubt Beckham Trade. Well that every everything. We're hearing from plugged in people in the industry. Say That's not a real thing. And then glazer comes on his show and says his big scoop. Is that Ram Center Brian. Allen tested positive for the corona virus A RAMS spokesman confirmed the diagnosis on Wednesday adding that Allen felt symptoms but is now feeling much better. He's twenty four years old he's the first act of NFL player to publicly acknowledge that he's tested positive for the virus so if you're expecting a huge NFL transaction scoop it wasn't that but it is notable the first NFL player with krona virus. Thankfully it doesn't look like it's one of these serious cases the most memorable thing I think about this stories. It's the first time I can ever remember Jay Glazer getting dumped on like Jay Glazer's had it's really a credit to Jay Glazer that he's had this great a career that I can't think of another time where people are just mad at Jay Glazer for overselling something. He never gets things wrong. Or you know in this case People just like this wasn't enough. You know you feel for Brian Allen but I understand. I think he misread the room because it is an important story and obviously corona virus. What everyone is talked about? It's the biggest thing in the world But I don't know maybe there's a bit of a people are so used to hearing people have it now that it's not something that floors people and it just and people were looking for the big. Nfl news stories so they hit out. I'm going to glazer passes what I'm trying to say. I understand where he was going with. It and people just wanted something else. The tone was a little off. It's like hey everyone wait around till you know. X Y Z Pacific Standard Time for this big announcement. It's going to be a fun one. Then it's like this person has caught the pandemic I I. It kind of threw me in the wrong direction. All right great job. I'm not sure this qualifies a scoop. The Rams did after close down their facility. It does raise some questions like. They didn't answer why they closed their facility a little earlier than everyone else so it kind of answers that he also said. He didn't have the ability to taste Brian Allen for two and a half weeks. He tested twice. I think three two or three weeks apart so even for someone as healthy as that. It's taken them awhile to shake it. Glazer thing Dan was shot like you when you go on twitter and say shoes news tomorrow. We are in an era. We're all dying for something to react to or give us anything and it was I. Who HAS BRIAN ALLEN? I had not familiar with that player. I understand us from the Chicago area. And he's meat potatoes type of guy didn't make me wonder you obviously wished health and wellness for everyone who is the. Nfl figure that if Glaser said he had corona and he's okay now. Who is the person that would have blown twitter's hair back in like? Oh my God. There's a crazy story because I do have an answering my Antonio Brown. That's their answer. I'd go trying to raise him because he is the wealth and health and wellness Goo Goo. That apparently can't catch any sort of in the common cold. Has No idea who Tom Brady. Is Greg Yeah I mean Bella check. You're you're making a good point that really people were mad that it was Brian Allen. If it was a big star then people would be fine with this. Not exactly the NFL's Tom. Hanks is my guys. Well I I think listen. I think the answer is simple and Dan. I hate to bring this up. If it was SAM darnold that would be really. You can't have Sam darnold being the guy. I mean any other player in the League after what went down last year and obviously. I don't wish that anybody speak as the jets fan. Yeah darnold Ed Corona and okays our final. But Jesus would I put them in a bubble and I'm just take him out of the League and you were supposed to be the shining sub but now your wellness is more important. He stays in a bubble for seventy years. Yes out indefinitely with with Corona virus and Sam darnold point at the camera. Exactly all right surprises in this era. If my wife tells me I ordered something incredible for you online and more bath towels like I can't mess with my emotions in this era. I think that's what J I we're hitting glazer with the L. Moving on here's some more trade rumors out this one floated by former NFL executive former colleague of yours. I know you had a good relationship with Marc Mike. Lombardi was told by a League source at the bucks are looking to trade tight end. Oj Howard former first round. Pick a guy who really flashed a in the two thousand eighteen season before going down and then twenty nine thousand nine was a huge disappointment west where he couldn't get going. I believe some injury issues and maybe fell out of favor and the Bruce Arians regime so this Lombardi report tracks and is indeed accurate. This is a young and talented guy that maybe just has not been able to get its footing in the NFL. You the timing seems all off on this one. It's a year too late. You know every person in America who plays fantasy football said Bruce. Arians doesn't use tight ends last year. They should trade. Oj Howard while he still has a lot of value coming off a very promising two thousand eighteen season and now. It's like Tom Brady. Who was used to throwing passes to a six foot? Seven highly athletic tight end for. Tang years now has another six foot seven. Highly athletic tight end in the bucks wanted to get rid of him. I don't get the timing. I don't really look at Michael Embody the same. After that ugly clash he had with Scott Hanson on twitter this off season. So it's it's tough for me to take this trade news and anyone embrace it. I in the same way that I normally would. Because I'm just team. Hanson Team Hanson. Otherwise awesome favorite clash in a long time. You almost have to wonder if Howard of all places could wind up. I can think of a team. The Brady is linked to that needed. A tight end desperately why not New England and suddenly Guy Brady should be throwing too. I mean also anything that Mike Lombardi reports I have to feel like there's a little patriots angler shade somewhere Then there's no tight end in this class. Apparently so it you would think someone would give something for him. Hey Greg anyone not be aware of it could you just remind us what the Hanson Lombardi feud was? Because I. I'm a big handsome guy too. Yeah well I just I recommend go go back to twitter occur. Search these these two names Titan. I Lombardi had a comment on his podcast. Owner diatribe essentially said Scott. Hanson doesn't know anything and Scott. Hanson shouldn't beginning giving any criticism about play colleen or went to call timeout Scott Hanson. Just read your little teleprompter and do the news for me. Because that's where you're at in the world and and Scott did not take well. It was a beautiful thing. Good job by Scott. Pushing back seven hours of Commercial. Free football guys. That ain't easy because aunt Lombardi is unimpeachable when it comes to takes on football and getting things right now right mark I agree with whatever. The host of our show says like petty petty twitter squabbles. Events made in other news. Come you know. Come back to us. Dak Prescott held a social gathering over the weekend. No social gatherings right now. I don't care you know if you it under ten overs over ten just Nixon. Everyone else is eating the poop right now. You do too Mr quarterback anyway. He held a party. And Zeke Elliott was also there and Dacca's upset because he thinks it's been blown out of proportion by the media and by idiots like me saying it wasn't more than ten people it wasn't out of control it wasn't a ranger But Steven Jones says Tuesday in an interview with the fan in Dallas that he talked to both Prescott and Elliott about not conducting gatherings while most of the country remains under quarantine. Here's what Stephen Jones had to say Blah Blah Blah Blah. And then do press got released a statement. Where do you come down on this March attack? Angry with them furious furious. I think two things Jane slater followed up to report that some of the images that showed the swanky bizarre looking party center was actually a a local restaurant called Nick and Sam's that she's been to and they actually took their own photos of the spread. They sent to Jack on with all these things in general. It's like if if someone were to from a PR angle examine what I did from age. Twenty to twenty eight. It would be a horrific story for the nation to follow along in general. Let's try to stay. Let's just like not get in our own way while the entire country is gripped by the biggest Health Related News. Story of our lifetime and your deck. Prescott and Zeke Elliott hanging around eating lamb wings or whatever it is eating. It's just why this wings when they don't know what was on the menu. I might be right. I have to stop. Lamps brings to stop going to my neighbor's front yard every day at five o'clock and sitting eight feet across from each other here. You're sitting across from each other not having a party inside your house with all having dinner at the same table. He said less than fewer than ten people right. I mean it's hard to keep track of the rules and get a handle on severity when the messages so mixed from layers at the national state and Cable News Levels. Dr Ci Telling People that Hate. Take a swing on tinder if you need to. He basically said it on that podcast. We mentioned if you're if you're willing to take the risk. Go down the Tinder Avenue. She said shoot. Your shot is basically what he said. So it's a dangerous time in the Corinthian because this is kind of a screw it time. Meaning some of my like. I'm sick of this screw. It like I am tired of doing this. I'M GONNA have my friends over. I've been doing this for weeks. It's tired and I WANNA see my girlfriend. Whatever IT MAY BE. It's sort of the screw it period and I think maybe that's what that got into my question. Why is Dak hosting anything? He shouldn't be hosting a heap. That means he has to pay for food and drink and everything. There's like six different people on the cowboys. That should be hosting party. Zeke should be hosting the Marcus. Jalen all of those guys who have been paid I picture. Dak and his front door charging twenty dollars a Solo Cup to come in. He's the last guy who should be hosting. They should be hosting him. It's not the end of the world but it's also west like days after he's out working out with Dez Bryant and everyone's got their arms around each other and at some point. Yeah you're young and you make mistakes again. It's not the end of the world. But you're also like an example for everyone tracking Dak Prescott in the state of Texas and like if it's cool that he's just going out like basically living his life as normally does and other people think that they can't do moving on let's head to the Desert Greg. You like it out there. You know like nice and dry like saw goodman walking out when it rained bottles I do. I like I I kind of like that's the Jew in me. I'd like get ninety five degrees and dry like give it to me heat. Nice Greg All right so Caesar sportsbook released their. Nfl Win. Totals and playoff odds for all thirty. Two Teams Gregson sheer good at this the Patriots. Open with a win. Total of hit at eight. And a half were you told me right eight and a half Phil businessman but I think on this very show a few weeks ago. A twitter listener get. I pointed out. I guess they in half so that it was right right about. That's like your like the twelfth best team in the League. You're on the borderline of a playoff spot. That seemed about right. Brady's new team the bucks opened with a win. Total of nine they're interesting. The two highest win totals twelve each the chiefs and the Ravens and Kyle you guessed. The teams with two lowest win totals at set at four and a half are four and a half I mean I guess you could still look at Cincinnati They don't have no the number one picks and do that much is it. Is it Miami. It is not Miami. It is an AFC South Jacksonville. Jaguars and the Washington Redskins so not a lot of hope in the desert. What that tells me is Kyle's been adhering to the. Nfl's don't gamble on football policy smart. That's that's good can't do it. I don't even I this overrun with how you guys are talking about. I'm not even sure what that means. Just trying to just play along. It'd be a good gas but I'm I'm the lost you're off the hook. You're just not sure Greg's if years that policy on any I'm perfectly adhering to that boss. My weight gain is been over under sixteen and a half pounds over the last All right let's let's get in. I know get that club gear on. Hopefully it still fits. We're headed into lack. Click the kicker club. Let's go the Dallas Cowboys. Have a competition guys. Kai forbath already on the roster cowboys bringing Greg's airline to rear contract and I thought two words West Windsor. Line comes in your first thought on type for about two words. Not Guys Guy. Free kind he he gone. Pre-k Hashtag free and That is that is the situation. But guess what everyone thinks. That's airlines the favorite dessert wines. He's speaking out on it. Well I I want. Here's the quote from airline Kicker Competition. Ideally I win. Okay but Ricky and you use that other thing I sent you know could sound like this. Ideally I I I. That's how I imagined Greg. It's incredible production value. I'd blown away. When I saw the wired headphones I figured you guys would have anything. This is really good. Though I liked were talking kickers and doing kickers on the network. I get made fun of I really. I liked talking kickers because and pick the right show all the time. But it's like they're the ones that put people in the hall of fame. They're the ones people in the Super Bowl. Every time I try to bring it up. I get laughed at this. I feel at home especially a club. Pick the right show Kyle back into the club your thoughts West Cowboys. Think they're kidding you. It's competition they one guy guaranteed millions a former all pro to come in and take the job in Kai forbath. Who have what ten kicks for them last year as some kind of token of loyalty. They're letting them new the cut. If you want to be loyal to Kai forbath set him free let them go kick for someone else beyond your kicker. I feel like if there's if there's one true as of edney kicker battle if a team gave any guaranteed money if you gave even fifty thousand dollars to one kicker. He's winning the job. They gave greg a million dollars guaranteed. It's over. There's no there's no chance kyle. It's that this is the right show for you to join a child. Yeah my son comes in quietly every time we longer but Walker Walker. How're you doing bud? You like kickers Walker Walker. Do you like kickers. You a big fan of kickers and to you know the the field goals and what whatnot. Cats got his tongue here. Born broadcasts there were you. Were you guys indulge might kick fetish just around the horn. Do you guys each. Have an all time favorite kicker and then. I'll just give me one school browns fan. I'll go Matt Bahr. Who when I would get annoyed when he would. You know fluffy occasional kick very reliable good. Ticking Family Matt Crossbar ma-ma Alright Patriots Fan. It'd be it'd be a little weird to say anyone Adam Venit Terry so I'm not sure. Okay I feel like the most overrated kicker of the twenty first century. A fellow lefty like me David acres of the Eagles who had there were years where he was getting one hundred fifty points every year. Yes Justin Tucker is the best player in the League. If you factor in how much better he is than anyone else. That's as competition so you. Justin Tucker is better at kicker then like Julio Jones's at wide receiver that's what you're saying I agree with you. That's where I get. Grown up as a bears fan in the eighties was Kevin Butler. I loved Kevin Butler but I really fell in love with the guy who when my first ever championship do you remember in the mid to thousands water heater? Jeff Wilkins was twenty-five fantasy points a week. It was so awesome. I Love Wilkins love you. My man wherever you are all right. We're staying in the club because yes you're very lucky man. We're now going to do a quick raw draft breakdown of who you need to know about From the kicker position hit the music Dan Ricky the number one prospect by the way covert nineteen. Hasn't shut down the BOOT factory operating the peach state right now. Sir because he got Rodriguez Beau blankenship from Georgia. Got Tyler Bass Georgia southern both guys that could go Unday day three. I'm not saying anybody's going to go day. One or two but day three blankenship. He's a heavy favourite to be the first kickoff. The board Top rank kicking prospect by majority of draft experts out. They've got big leg kicks. Fifty plus last year drilled. A fifty five yard gets Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl in two thousand eighteen Touchback machine a bass is a nice player. Nice prospect keep an eye on him. He did really well in the in the a senior bowl. Now I want to throw a couple more guys out there. Ricky Aguayo the brother of Roberto Aguayo. He had his own night on the energy for this. Yeah he had his own career at Florida state not as celebrated he also had a some fights with Frat Bros remember that and there was a turtle that that didn't make it out of it feels like points for that but he is He's in the mix this year. Also speaking about military chased beneficiary out of South Dakota state the same school That atom went chasing the son of Chad. Benson Gerry Adams older brother. Oh He's a quality kicking prospect He went to Ucla right in our backyard. Here keep an eye on him. Maybe as an undrafted free agent maybe as Mr Relevant. Just keep your eye. Oh it's all over that drafted their last hitter in the fourth round. They're not they're not shy. Chan. Please tell me you have like a Vladimir Jankowski. Coming down the pipeline. Is He also in the blood line because this is going I figure about to drop that on us? I love to have that. I don't know if Sebastian procreative but he could have a family member. Nobody that's popped up and just one more back for you. Greg Chase attended super bowl. Thirty six and thirty eight one atom made game winning field goal. Who's understands I mean? The man Adam hit a kick in the snow to close down a stadium to start the greatest dynasty in sports history. A Little Talk. And and don't forget out of Jerry undrafted. I believe he played in the World League getting his shot. All right yes now. That was a trip to the Kicker Club. That was that was a long one. So we can gathering that club in discussed kickers. But we're killing Dak Prescott for having a few people over. I think that's fair. That's we haven't yet put in the testing procedures that are necessary but we just like the party with the kickers. All right moving on. That's what's happening in the news. All right How do you want to get into this? Kyle wants you to maybe take the reins here And take us through Where your head spaces add something? That was important enough to you. Something that's really never happened in in all my years during the show when I talked to a guest. That's coming on. You reached out to me. And there's something we need to talk about. Let's get into. There is a great wrong that needs to be made right when we started good morning. Football Twenty sixteen. We started doing a segment that we call the Nerd Bowl and the nerd bowl was in essence a trivia contest where we'd take schrager and he would go against a producer or a statistician or someone that term of affection that you love football so much. You're a NERD FOR IT and Peter Tearing everybody apart and you would always beat them beat them so we went to Houston. We went to Houston. Before the infamous Patriots Falcons Super Bowl. And we did a live show in front of a live audience and our stick that day was. We're GONNA do a Nergal Peter's going to say I'll take on anybody in this crowd. They can come out of the crowd right up here right now and I'll take it anybody. Well we had a plant. It was a work plant. Yes was it was on this podcast right now and has named Chris Wesleyan and he came up and he was an incredibly good sport. And what ensued was the most terrible disastrous segment and any any show ever. That's ever been done in history. We we pitched this as Schrager and Wesley know everything. They are experts. They know every little detail of football we proceeded to ask them like twelve trivia. Questions that I don't know if they got any of them right. The single one was wrong. Tyres apple go ahead. That's the low hanging fruit. What was that second one Chris? But we don't WanNa play the questions here Dan Right. Oh we're not gonNA know it. Unfortunately I have to call time. You got to move fast. Peter which I don't know honestly I'M GONNA Guess Random Sean Dalton right shoulder eight-game Houston. It's Courtney upshaw you can hear the frustration in your voice. Their the the segment just wasn't seeing the good morning. Football staff still talks about that segment. About how terribly produced it was and let me make it clear. The questions were way too. Hard Way to heart or were they. We're GONNA find out today. I have in my hand. The actual questions that straighter. Wesley were asked on that fateful day. What January of you? When he's seven. Jin Get ready for like who made the game winning field goal in week. Four of Nineteen eighty-three game. The questions. That your produce squamous with and Chris. There was no fault of your own. We I know you to be in my house we about this segment to and we talk about the Good Morning football staff and the Esoteric Arcane nature of these questions which Trivia supposed to be fun. This is really trivial. Nobody cares about any of these. Quests who brings it up when you talk about it in your home west. Do you bring up a time friend. That damn segment. It's a black guy on our show. Here's what I'm going to need right now. I'M GONNA need to contestants that are going to get the same questions that Chris and Peter Got. I will ask them. Who wants to play Chris? You're ineligible but the other three who wants to play. I'd love to try our Dan. You're in Dan. Who Do we got guys? Who's the savvy now? I assume I'M GONNA come out looking west in Schrager can't get any. I feel like I've got nothing to lose Greg. Maybe we can each go halfway out throwing GonNa be Dan versus mark and Greg. I need you to help me. Keep score lifeline. How about Greg is life? I mean West indexed encyclopedia every line. The first question and this is the same question that that we asked on that day. I love you got music. How is this going to write? This is just for Dan for Dan. You get your own. You've got an opportunity to steal. Dan Hans us now. Let me preface this. All of these questions remembered January twenty seventeen. And they're all about the Falcons and the Patriots are all based on them here. We go down hands as your question. When Atlanta last defeat it New England in one thousand nine hundred ninety. Eight which falcons tight end caught two touchdowns GONNA say Algae Crummier? That is incorrect. Mark would you like to steal not particularly? I'd like Jenny. Guess now I WANNA point out. This is one of the only questions that Chris Got Right. So Margaret no gas. Right Ninety. Eight Ninety Eight falcons tight end two touchdowns against the Patriots. It was not algae. Chroma felt good about that and Jock Robertson. That is incorrect. Neither one of you guys get the point Chris. What is the real answer? I believe it's Oj. Santiago. Yes it is to go that. That's that's that's impressive on. Its own alright. So that was the one that crisci not your next question mark for you name the only Patriot to win a super bowl as a player and later as a coach with a different team. A head coach. I coach assistant coach. Stop clarifying answer them. Wow I feel good about this one. Okay Dan feels like he's GonNa Steal if you don't get it right. He won the Super Bowl as a Patriot player and then won the Super Bowl as a coach with another team. The only one to do it. Who is it. I don't know you got nothing damage like this. Neil I actually got Ni- I had next up in my head but I was gonNA say Pepper Johnson. But that's not greg. I guess I should know this but I don't the answer my friends Peter Straker that day gas Don Hasselbeck which is wrong Wesleyan Guest Raymond. Barre which is run. The answer is Larry Izzo. Ira is so. Yes makes sense when I hear. The answer is their sense of vindication. Washing over you as everyone else stumbles here. This is going exactly how I remember it. I mean how do they have TV? And we can't get out of it. How did they pick that? Don Hasselbeck won a super bowl or Raymond Barre as a member of the Patriots but they didn't even understand the way it was a proud man. When you go to commercial break after the segment bombs and West is a good sport and you and you send wes off Yup Schrager steaming. The does it. Is he saying you guys made me look bad in front of them? Peter was probably berating me and the staff or making a question that from this. No all right next. Question's let's say about how to answer that Going into the super bowl if he throws two interceptions in the Super Bowl. Tom Brady will tie which quarterback for the most playoff interceptions in? Nfl history interesting guy played a ton against most likely who played many playoff games. Was airing out a lot with have some games. I don't think he This he's a great quarterback I don't think he had a lot of messy gains but he played so many. I'll say Jim Kelly. That is not correct. Would you like to steal mark? I would. I'M GONNA go peyton manning also not correct? This is my point here. Chris at the time guest Bart Star which is not right. Schrager guests Jonah. Which is not right. The answer is Brett. Farve Guys Farve. Most playoffs logical. We're just bottoming out here and we'RE GONNA kill back Western. That question was reasons not a bad question. How about this? How about just a really simple? This is very simple. There's no time history go. This is for you mark. Where did Falcons wide receiver and return men? Eric Weans Play College football. I will go. University of Georgia is incorrect. Dan would you like to Queens such a better? Not Be googling there Dan this the way he's building this up many shows together. Dan Starts Acting that the Cookman was. Wow yes he went to know. This is the answer is soon cookman really well with the sleight of hand hands us. Fire some memories that Eric Williams wants a bathroom Kirkman. Because at the time you guessed eastern Michigan Schrager Guest Akron. Did you do remember Cookman? I do not remember. That is an impossible question now. Why Mattered Phil Cook me? We're GONNA do this. So for years gonNA ask again crescendo. Now with the lightning round. All this is is six very fast irreverent questions. And whichever of the two who says the answer I guess the point? Are you guys? Ready to questions are not capable of bringing lightning. We'll find out here. We go lightning round. Begins. What IS VIC BEAZLEY'S JERSEY NUMBER. Fifty eight the now that the one no forty four which. Patriot at the time of two thousand seventeen had climbed. Mount Kilimanjaro Amadullah. Chris Chris longest correct. We got a point in honor of Keanu. Neil name any canneries movie speedco correct. What is what is the name of the single off of Dion Sanders? Rap Album must be money. Correct in retirement drew. Bledsoe has started a business. Winery wallenius correct and the last one. What is the signature color of the do it yourself? Superstore founded by Arthur blank. Orange Orange direct. Wesley serves it. And you know what's funny at the time all three years ago? Westland also got orange. I know for you brother. Do It yourself my man so that I do. We learn anything and I think I think Dan one got speed right by the pull the Bell Jack Recounting Bethune Cookman Google. So it's one. Let's let's also take it back to. What was his reaction coming off the stage because now I am having a vague memory of asking him hours later when we first saw him for the day go. How'd that A. G. M. F. B. Segment go and steaming? What my initial reaction was dejection. Like I beat myself up quite a bit for not doing well and then I thought about it for a while. I was like those are the worst questions. Terrible can should not hold a job Kyle. How about this and you feel free to shoot this down but we have our own trivia game called. Win West is toaster. Put a lot of care into the question sometimes Those don't pass the smell test with either but I think in general the track track record is good. What if and hopefully there is super bowl of fifty five? What if you guys did a rematch? Here and And it was Wesseling Schrager and we. We were able to work with you to come up with the questions spectacular. I can't wait to do it with a great idea. And we get to be in the rogues gallery watching the whole thing. Go down of course. Yes absolutely western UAW Ford. It's more about you. I was GONNA say I choose not to run. But if Kyle's coming up at the questions I I assume he may have come up with original ones but I assume whoever it wasn't seated out of NFL network by now and longer works in football or anything to do with entertainment. They were left in. Houston I as I recall. I didn't even bigger demanded. And we're the answer. The answer was Cornelius Bennett. We had a cornelius. There is a courtney ups I answer. According to the clips we option and we had multiple weems questioned ridiculous as I recall. Hearing the story behind the scenes that trigger ripped up the return tickets for each of the people on the production and getting on the plane. Kyle is the IMPRESARIO here. I'm in respect. We'll do it. We'll do it. February godwilling willing twenty twenty one in Tampa Florida. And we'll ask the reason. It's good that we're going to be involved to. We want to protect you. Protect your brand because you represent us. Yeah thank you for that. If I'm worried about my brand for one all right there it is well colleague of set it all. You've you've come on the show for the first time it was overdue and as everyone expected you know you did it all set it all. And he hit a home. Run we talked. We talked to Brian Allen. The player apparently is on the ramps. We I met a young Rosenthal. We got to talk about some softcore and so that checks all the boxes. Thank you so much just an absolute trip to be with the heroes and thank you. Thanks show I should say that our friends over at rocket mortgage thank you for supporting our program. Yes I know. They named the company after rocket his. Who is a childhood hero of mine? So I'm very excited to hear that. Thank you all right. It'll Kismet Kyle. So Good Morning. Football back yes. Good Morning football will be back at draft week. Yard live TV from the basements. Somehow someway we will land on the moon so please watch us. Well this will it be the Princeton or they they to corporate to let that happen they might be in to corporate for them to me. I'm going to be up all nights and I think it of tapestries. The sketches drawings or anything. That's better than this. Look at me. Come on counting tapestry album be probably thanks for joining us this is. Dan was signing off for the quiet storm. The mailman the old boss. Rick Hollywood and the Green Tile Brent tune in Friday. Twitter show live.

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Matt Ryan's future with the Falcons

The Falcoholic

34:49 min | 9 months ago

Matt Ryan's future with the Falcons

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We're gonna talk about matt. Ryan his future with the falcons because after this season and all of us anticipating major coaching changes coming on this team. Which i think is a foregone conclusion. And really the first gm the first new gm for the falcons since two thousand eight. When matt ryan was drafted the question becomes. What is future going to be with this team you know. He turns thirty six in may of this year in twenty twenty one. That's certainly not ancient for for quarterbacks but it's there many quarterbacks who ended their careers in their late thirties so This is herat so this season particular. I feel like. I want to start there because this is part of what maybe has triggered the conversation. If ryan had a stronger season maybe we're talking a little bit differently about this topic. But as it were you know he he finished this particular season with. I would say i don't know. Would you say a decent season. Maybe not up to his standards. Yeah i'm say so. I mean i think especially i'm actually pulling up. Stacks here I don't remember off the top of my head. How many crutch downs he had. But it was not that many well. No i mean twenty six touchdowns. I was still pretty good. Forty five hundred yards sixty five percent. Completion percentage is that this year while the data. And i i think statistically speaking he had a pretty good season. I mean if you want to if you wanna talk about that in the context of wins and losses you know. I think that that's i think. Then that opens bigger discussion about how. I don't believe that those are quarterback stats right. You know. I think that those are team stats. And then i think you have to factor in the offensive line situation. Julio jones injury the lack of running game for most of the season so yes. I mean actually when i pulled up the stats i was very. I was surprised that they were that good. I thought that he was way down on touchdowns this year but twenty six touchdowns doesn't terrible eleven interceptions obviously a higher than i would like but it's not terrible. I mean it's it's not great but it's not the worst you know. I think he's still pretty strong season. Yeah by comparison you two thousand eighteen. He had forty four hundred yards twenty six touchdowns which is the same. As this year. He had fourteen interceptions in go back two thousand eighteen. Where i think the story was will be different Even the falcons still seven nine. He finished with forty nine hundred yards thirty five touchdowns seven interceptions that year and of course that was the last under steve sarkisian which makes me wonder why we got rid of steve. Circuits it again. Same we're not going to release that conversation. Oh man it's so funny looking at these stats like why did we do that. Yeah move back to cut her in in more interceptions. But the falcons finished before winds in. It's the only the second time in matt ryan that they did that. The last time that happened was two thousand thirteen. Which was the first losing season. Under head coach mike smith and obviously would be his second to last season before the team would move on and whether or not wins belong a as as a qb stat. Inevitably you know right or wrong. Quarterbacks for judge again stat at the the falcons are going to have a top four pick. They're going to have the number four pick in this draft class. Which i think is the other reason we're having this conversation. Rut as i mentioned ryan's gonna be thirty six and i think on the top side. You could argue. He could feasibly have three or four more good years in the nfl. Maybe a little bit longer. If he goes the path of brady and and certainly i think matt ryan is closer to brady and health than he is to someone like ben rothlisberger. Who you know. I think is the opposite of like brady and his diet exercise habits. That's probably why he looked like the ghost of ben rothlisberger against browns and they might as well haven't goes playing quarterback in the first quarter by the way. You're not kidding exceptions. Yes that's neither here nor there though that's very true. So but ryan ryan will be thirty. Six the falcons have that top four pick and as we mentioned. There's a new head coach new general manager coming in in the last time we have new general manager. They kicked off their regime with falcons with drafting a new quarterback It seems like the thing to do. And i wanna point out that. This draft class appears to be somewhat strong. You know. we all are assuming. Trevor lawrence is going to number one. Justin fields could very well be The number two pick he could be played for the falcons number four. You've got The kid out the byu whose name. Zack wilson Who you know also considered to be a top quarterback in his class. You have intriguing players like trae lance. This is a potentially really good draft class for selecting a quarterback. So i i think the it at least in my mind. When i've seen fans arguing about this on on line you know about whether or not. It's time to move on from ryan. I feel like both sides have a legitimate point here. Gina a thorough review. When you hear this these these points age the new. Gm the top four pick. In the fact that the falcons they haven't had a top pick since two thousand eight. Do you find these to be compelling arguments especially when it comes to the fact that we're talking about replacing the record holder for every single record. Atlanta falcons have for for quarterbacks. Well i do want to back up and focus first and foremost on the fact that there will be a new. Gm and head coach in the last time. There was new gm and head coach combo. They did matt ryan third overall and the two thousand eight drafts. That said if you know falcons fans have been following the teams since two thousand seven or earlier. You'll remember that but quarterback situation in two thousand. Two thousand. seven was an absolute dumpster. Fire was a mix of joey harrington and byron left which and I ribbon chris. Redman yes i was like who is with a guy that was it. Chris redman was literally selling insurance and came oni from his career with state farm or whomever And and came back and actually started games for the atlanta falcons. So yeah that was that. They were really forced to draft a quarterback high because of michael vick's issues with dogfighting conviction. And you know subsequent prison sentence and so i think that that's important context As far as his age. You know again like i agree with you. I think that ryan is more similar to tom brady lake. I don't think that he refuses to drink coffee or eat. Strawberries or anything. Weird like auxerre everywhere Anything like that. But he certainly not letting antonio brown crash on the couch but aside from that like. I do think in terms of health durability. We've been very very lucky with ryan and and i hate to even say this out loud but he has been so healthy over the years and i think he takes very good care of himself so his h doesn't concern me as much But that said. I'm still in favor of them. Picking a quarterback in the top four. Because you have to think about life after matt ryan i mean no matter what like david and i'm not going to get specific numbers but you and i are both in our forties than you know that things just harder physically to passing here And so no matter what you know. Ryan has getting up there for quarterback. I think that he's still can likely play like his time. Especially if he has a playcaller that makes logical sense occasionally lead walking and some support and the ground game. But i do think that you know. I'm not at all opposed to drafting quarterback high and a again there some really good prospects that could fall to the falcons Including From the ohio state university justin fields. Who a welcome he depending what the jets do. He could be there at number four. It's out of the question. Although many people fail he is the second best quarterback in this draft class. But i agree with that. I think that. Trevor lawrence is spectacular. And i think that jacksonville jacksonville would be nuts to not take him absolutely and jacksonville's similar situation where they're coming up with the new regime and obviously the the top quarterback in his classmates a ton of sense at number one in a quarterback that many people wanted to go last year in in state additionally That said i want to just recap real quickly. What matt ryan has done in his time atlanta Two hundred five games. A one thirteen wins. Ninety two losses completion. This career stats. Completion percentage of sixty five point four percent fifty five thousand seven hundred sixty seven yards which is seven point five yards per attempt. Three hundred forty seven touchdowns one hundred fifty eight interceptions for ninety four point five rating thirty fourth quarter comebacks. In thirty eight game winning drives in his time with falcons his playoff stats. Four six record sixty seven point. Five completion percentage two thousand six hundred. Seventy two yards twenty touchdowns only seven receptions for a one hundred point eight passer rating in the playoffs One of the best for any quarterback so dismissed the record. Matt ryan has actually been quite good in the playoffs current records. He holds he his nights. All-time in passing yards tenth time in passing touchdowns thirteenth all time in passer rating fifth all-time in passing yards per game nights all-time and comebacks in eighth. All time in game winning drives he will have a stellar resume when he's done Two thousand eight rookie of the year. Two thousand sixteen first team all pro two thousand sixteen. Mvp four pro bowls to nfc championship games. One super bowl appearance. That is the resume of someone who belongs in the hall of fame in my opinion. But i wanna go through a list of names gene. I want to ask you a question about these guys. Because i think it feeds into this conversation peyton manning. Tom brady Joe montana Farve what do all of these quarterbacks have in common i i'll hall of famers absolutely and not a single one of them finished their career with the team. That drafted them. All of them hall of fame quarterbacks. All of them finished their careers with other teams. Think about that but that is true. Peyton manning finished with the broncos drafted by indianapolis Tom brady obviously With the patriots and now with the The bucks a brett. Farve draft by the falcons and then finished his career with the vikings much of the sort of everybody in green bay. Exactly and joe. Montana which i feel like people forget San francisco and finished his career in kansas city. And it just made me realize that there are actually you. Look at the many of these top top quarterbacks the guys who were first ballot hall of famers and very few of them actually finished their careers with teams. Drafted him when i when i was thinking about that today. Gina i was like oh my god. That is such a almost a shocking statistic but it really does hold true these guys that put up incredible numbers throughout their careers. Bring a tremendous amount of success for franchises. It it's actually somewhat rare that they get to finish out with the team that they started with which is sort of sad in especially in the light of this conversation. So are you surprised by that. Now that now that i've brought particular statistic i actually did forget about joe. Joe montana go into the chiefs. Yeah because they had steve young waiting in the wings right behind him. Yeah so we're gonna talk about some the possibilities. We're gonna talk about what you the readers listeners. Alchoholic told us you'd think would happen and Your thoughts on the matter but before we do that. We're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back. Donald today high. She'll have the quarter pounder with cheese extra muster landau half a ten piece chicken mcnuggets into sides of ranch please. The we've done this before meal. Get it at mcdonald's when he get to of your face for two six bucks anytime. Only prices and participation may vary single item at regular price support for this podcast comes from progressive. What would you do with an extra eight hundred dollars. Buy a plane ticket. Pay down your student loan. Treat yourself to those shoes. You've been eyeing with progressive. You could find out drivers who switch and save save an average of seven hundred ninety six dollars on car insurance get your quote online at progressive dot com and see how much you can be saving national average annual car insurance savings by new customer survey to save with progressive in two thousand nineteen. We're back on the falcons. Podcast dave walker. I'm joined by my co host gina. Kelly we're talking about matt ryan's future with the atlanta falcons and gina. We've talked about this numerous times in the past including you know other podcasts. Where you know several years ago coming into the two thousand fifteen season people are ready to move. On from matt ryan then now obviously. I think the frustration was the fact. That falcons had not had winning seasons. You know ryan did not play particularly well in the last two years of dirk cutters time in atlanta. Golly that's entirely shocking But back then he was thirty. One years old matt ryan was a completely different conversation from what we're facing now And again you know for first time in a long. Time falcons new. Gm new head coach. I wanna talk about the possibilities because we have floated this within our riders chat. We have floated on the website. We've had this discussion with fans on twitter online What do you think the falcons will do and I've boiled it down. I think to what i think are going to be three really realistic. Options for the falcons And we Com we asked for some feedback from our readers to fill out some polls. Here are the three options gene. I wanted to get your thoughts on each one which one which one you think is likely in which one you hope to happen. So the first one ryan retires as a falcon three to four more years of play so this would be of course The situation where the new head coach and gm come in. They don't feel like they need. The new franchise quarterback yet ryan finishes out his career in atlanta. Unlike most of the hall of fame quarterback we mentioned earlier. option number. Two falcons draft a quarterback with that top four pick whether it's justin fields or one of the other guys and ryan stays here for an additional one or two more years Starts in twenty twenty one Obviously you get the chance to sit the rookie. We will call this. The aaron rodgers scenario not for those who remember rogers being drafted and sitting for two years behind brett farve as he finished his career in green bay. And obviously the last option would be the falcons draft a quarterback and they make a move to move on from ryan immediately either trading him Or even potentially benching him but obviously going straight to the new quarterback immediately so of the three options What are your thoughts on those in. Which one do you think is the most likely. In which one would you prefer to see. Okay sure So option one is matt remains the quarterback and they don't draft a quarterback. Hi this year and just okay. So in that case. Matt shaab recently announced his retirement You know godspeed to the best quarterback ever to grace of field atlanta And the injured they. The team did find kurt banker to a future contract that you will agree that everybody at the site as just a tremendous fan of curb anchor and i started. I would love to see him. Get a chance so for links selfish like various fan reasons. I like that possibility. Because i'd like to see thinker. Get an opportunity to really be a backup inactive back on game days Option to matt stays the quarterback draft quarterback to set for one to two years. Aaron rodgers. plan. This is what i have been pushing on this podcast since we started at I have thought that aged at maybe not that long but it goes back a ways like to nude. And i've said this. I feel like a billion times on this podcast. But like the falcons in the ravens really changed the entire landscape for rookie. Quarterback's when matt ryan and joe flacco caymans lake. Because before that you didn't really see rookie quarterback's taking over as starter right away as rookies exactly hurt or something like that. I think that there is such a big gap even for guys out of these top programs in a specially the speed of the game and the skill level of the players. And so. I think that having one to two years for a top flight talent to develop between a professional like matt ryan would be the best case scenario. That would be my preferred scenario This is my disclaimer. Nobody pays me to be the gm of a team. And there's so wrong but to me like this just seems logical and then the third option draft a quarterback in trade ryan. His contract is gonna make that really difficult. And if you're looking at space around the league some teams can afford it but the main teams can afford it are like the jags and the jets and those teams also have very high draft picks to just draft. Somebody they can bring it on a rookie salary. You a like a rookie deal is going to be even for a top. Five draft pick is going to be less expensive than trading for matt ryan and having the deal with you know millions millions millions and so. I don't think that that one is very likely just. Because i think that they'd have difficulty finding a trade partner that could absorb that cap So for me. Like i'm i'm totally fine with option one. I do think that the fact that they finished with a top five draft pick kind of pushes their hand toward option too. Because you know i mean. I'm sure that you will agree. I don't want to have a top five draft again next year. Exactly what you don't want the team to trade up into the top five draft a quarterback so if they're going to draft the heir-apparent to matt ryan. I that this is the season to do it. You have the pick. You have quality talent. that's going to be available in that top five and i think it would be my preference for matt to remain the starter and for a rookie to come in and learn behind him what you may run into as that guys get drafted in the top five. Don't wanna do that. But they're also going to be paid a very nice paycheck to set on the bench. Learn and so you know knowing that they would be the person to take over. I think that that should be sufficient to get somebody on board with that plan. I think for the falcons as well. There's a benefit that if you have ryan and you bring it. Let's say the falcons higher offensive minded coach. Which is what a lot of people are screaming for. And let's say twenty twenty one. They draft that quarterback they sit him for year. This new head coach makes matt ryan looked like his two thousand sixteen through two thousand eighteen self. You've probably increased his trade value. Rappalo that guy to wherever and then back for them. Yeah and as opposed to moving on the media where right. now arguably matt ryan's drafts. The trade stock is as low as it's been in a long time You get him into another season. Where he's thrown for almost five thousand yards and four to one touchdown to interception ratio. A i think a competent offensive coordinator could do and all of a sudden you're looking at instead of getting offered a third fourth round. Pick for your quarterback of getting something like a you know a first round pick for a guy that can still play for several years especially to a franchise like people keep saying it but the forty niners where you know. The the head coach is very familiar with wet. Matt ryan can do in the right offensive system so as for the site. This is a. I think you're gonna find this interesting. I asked two questions on this. Poll what do you think will happen. And what do you want to happen. similar to what i just asked you gina. The what do you think will happen. Fifty five of the people voted that the team will draft a quarterback. And he that matt ryan will be here for one to two more years so exactly what you said. The aaron rodgers scenarios like to call it twenty eight percent said that he would retire in atlanta falcon which is actually higher than i thought that would be and then seventeen percent rounded out thinking that the team would draft a quarterback and move on from at ryan immediately As for what they want to happen very different numbers the top response. Thirty nine percent. Want matt ryan to retire falcon which warms my heart. Low thirty eight percent want them to draft. Qb inlet ryan continued to play for one or two more years and twenty three percent. Want them to draft a quarterback. Move on from ryan so very interesting sort of breakdown. Looks like there are. We do have some sentimental fans You know the majority or the plurality that poll want him to retire falcon even though it just doesn't seem likely at this point so yeah i was a little surprised by that Surprised by that. Because i feel like the the second option the sort of safe option you know the the draft. Ub but keep ryan but it seems like we have a lot of fans who are attached to the franchise quarterback well and i mean matt ryan has been really an exceptional face. Franchisees never done or said anything to embarrass fans to upset. Fans you know he is. He's worked very hard. He has been consistently great over his career. Ben very committed to atlanta has done a ton for the community here. So i think he's a very likable person. I guess that it is mildly surprising to me. Only because i know that you and i both see these people are mentions all a timely plan ryan for losses. And you're just like i'm sorry. Did you watch the game. Have you heard of cutter are you. Anyway i'm yeah so i am surprised that it was that high but i'm i'm pleased it because i agree. Yeah although it does seem like the majority of her fans do think that the air roger scenarios the the most likely what will happen and honestly in talking with you it feels like yeah that that seems like again as you just said perfectly we. Don't want to see the falcons with the top five. Pick and the falcons. Don't want to see the falcons with top five pick again for a long time. I think a understand this is going to be a a rare opportunity especially especially if a player like adjust fields Is is there and available at the number four pick is to be really really interesting draft season of course patriots Com for updates on that we will be Covering that extensively we've got about We've got such a great stable of writers that cover the draft and this is like their prime season coming up. I am so looking. Forward to eric and kevin and the entire crew covering that extensively. Yeah me too on the specially since the team does have a top four-pack in a good quarterback class. I think that it's and also we're going to have a lot of analysis on whoever the new head coach ends up being like what kind of work they've done in the past schemed they want. You know where they excel. What are their weaknesses. And so that's going to be another thing to look for this offseason. I'm really excited. Read all that. I know that we're going to do everything we can. On our end to make sure that you're as prepared for the next season as you can be knowing what to expect from a new coach and gm absolutely We're close. I won't read some of these comments that our our readers left on the site there. There have been some good ones Let's see here Robert tussin says ryan retire falcon. I'd trade the number four pick and pick up more picks if we can use the first rounder on whatever running back the team thinks is the best in the class while he said harris would be his. Pick us the rest of what we having give on. Defense in the center to compete with hennessy. Very interesting i I'm not sure that i'm ready to write off hennessey just yet but i could definitely see the team investing a early pick. Maybe not the first round pick in the early pick on running back Given as you mentioned the disaster the running game was this year. Yeah i i think that it goes to show that you may be shouldn't sign free agent running backs just to make a chunkier fan base happy. I wanted girly to succeed. But i just don't think that he really has any more especially behind the line that was very inconsistent with walking so getting a guy like najji harris. That might be one of the few players that i would be like. Oh yeah no. That high tech is worth it like. I'm not a huge fan because it's such a it's such a crap shoot of a position and so much it does depend so much on a like whether or not your quarterback can also throw the ball so that they don't stack oxen. Shut you down and whether or not your line can block. Which we know for the falcons has been a work in process but Yeah or progress. I'm sorry i'm so tired. Process work in progress. They mean the same thing basically but yes. So yeah i i mean i. I don't hate that plan to be quite honest. And i do think that no matter. What the entire offense as life easier. They had some kind of ground game. Yeah. it's interesting another comment here. He said my goodness we do not need the draft. Qb at number four for once find a pass. Rusher solve that problem which the dummy could never figure out the key. Me trump from from candalyn. Fourteen start building a defense for once in atlanta. The current approach of seventy percent money spent offense versus thirty percent of defenses wire foreign twelve. I have a hard time disagree with that Still have not replaced. John abraham and that's that was two thousand thirteen was when a there lay him walk. So and i mean i think that one of the important things to consider as that i think that I think that both lines actually were will blind spot for thomas to metro in terms of talent evaluation. And so it's gonna be really interesting. I just hope that they get a a gm who can recognize edge rushing talent and bring them and like i. It's such a low bar clear but that's really mytalk already from the defensive. I'm sorry from the general manager like just be able to to identify and secure pass rushing talent because this team we've been lamenting black pass rush as long as i can remember. Yeah for seven straight years. It's been painful. The jones led the team in sacks this year. Which is tells you a lot about where our team was at from. Pass rush perspective last comment to close out. And i actually. I think this is very very sensible approach from john. Wd he says this seems simple to me. It depends who is available. If you really believe a franchise. Qb is seeing there for you. Take him because of the acquisition costs. Their scenarios were justin fields. Zack wilson both available. There there are also serious. Where they're both god. Because miami traded down or one might be available and you just don't think he's a franchise. Qb in that case you take the best player available sewell. Parsons certain and either row with ryan or go nuclear in rebuild and john. I think has really really sensible approach here. know we. We mentioned that. Jean right now. Justin fields his name is really hot. The especially with the way he played in the last game And obviously we're getting to watch him play again His draft stock could be on fire. Yeah it could be. It's going to depend on. And i mean alabama's obviously the toughest tests that this ohio state team has faced. But i genuinely believe in fields talent. I also think that fields is like every other quarterback going to have a big adjustment moving into the nfl and playing at position and even coming out of one of the stronger programs and power five conference. And so but you know. I guess my question for john is is he available to fill the gm job. Because i think that was the most sensible offseason her arthur blank to back up the brinks truck. Bring this guy in. Let's bring in john. Gm absolutely so. It sounds like i've landed on the same conclusion for this. Which is if that cuba's their draft them and that matt ryan Has been amazing for this franchise but there will come a time whether it's now or the next three or four years. There's gonna be a time. Where this franchise won't have matt ryan anymore. And i don't think it's wrong with quarterback will be thirty six next year to start thinking about the future. Is it fair. That down so gina. It's been a pleasure as always on that. You remind our listeners where they can find you what you have gone. You can find me on twitter at gina. Thomas and i am also hosting the friday episode of the espionage. Nfl show which is focused on fantasy primarily dfs in the playoffs and also gambling topics. And so we're going to have some fun with that through the postseason and the air yet through the postseason than the offseason. Were still figuring out the plan there. But that's pretty much all that. I have time for these days. David it's been quite a time indeed in there's so much more we can't say on the podcast but just trust me guys. Gina is The modern equivalent of a chicken running around with its head cut. Yes yes so and you know. We're we're winding down now pretty soon the will be overall be able to catch my breath but in the meantime happy to have a chance to hop on the clouds tonight. This absolutely hopefully soon. I'm going to get one of these other bozos at the site. The joplin with me as we talked about the same topic with julio jones which will be very interesting discussion as well as for me guys you can find me on twitter. App falco hollick. Dwi for this podcast in the art daily at south calm super gene kelly. This is dave walker. Thank you guys should listen to in the next.

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Draft talk with Stranger Things Randy Havens

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Draft talk with Stranger Things Randy Havens

"This is the falcons like podcast official. Podcast falcons on the ESPN nation. Podcast network I am David Walker incoming. Dwi and we're doing it a little bit loose sneezy today Gina. Thomas is back with me for the first time in a little while gene. Thanks for being back on podcast. Yeah thank you for having me on the PODCAST. I am allegedly the cocoa. You are the CO host God that. Ajc article came out and it didn't last year and then I got really pissy about it. Yeah I wasn't referring to that. I was actually plan me not physically doing the podcast for several weeks. I was yeah. It was not not reference to that. It was a referenced. Him Ne- Not Muscle Energy provides athletic. Yes but you are absolutely still co-host you still have your nicknames. Even though I don't have the emotional energy to rattle off the I think nicknames can take a highest Pierre Online one because I certainly am. That is one hundred percent. Sure Joining us today is someone we've had on the show before he is one of our favorite guests and we're glad to have him back just to talk about the world are the Falcons. We've got a lot of like interesting rumors about the Falcons weren't get his take as a fans watches team Maybe just talk a bit about the draft in hopes and dreams for twenty twenty. Nfl seasons long as a happens We were talking about One of the stars of Stranger Things He has been in multiple movies. Tv shows you guys have probably seen in his falcons fan through through. We were talking about none other than randy havens ready. Thank you for joining us man. Thank you for having me. I am super excited to be back. you know this. Preview of the Falcons Super Bowl winning season. Who Want to twenty twenty twenty one? It's our year. I love that officially cements. The fact that the twenty twenty season wall happen. Now the Randy said Oh Saranda. How're you doing? What's going on on in your world with this lockdown with You you're acting or you basically locked in your your broom twenty four hours a day point. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. There's there's there's no acting to be done I. I did get an audition the other day they were like Don't leave your house I was like yeah wasn't gonNA thanks so I don't know I don't know how to do it. But I guess some disconnect facetime of friends and have them like read the other lines and the dislike record myself doing that. 'cause I don't know what to do but I'm also like y'all very For thinking of you to to think you know when we're going to be able to start filming stuff again. Yeah because unlike Unless unless there's a green screen doctor's mask on my face and I can just clutch cargo. The fucking lip flap afterwards. That sounds like a lot of CGI WORK. That's going to have to go in. After the fact yeah well you know like they can just you know record my mouse at a different location and we can just do a little composite. Dang it's not. That's not that I can take care of it at faneuil extra but I'll I'll composite that stuff in front of used final cut once. I know how this works. Of course I use. You'd see me on tonight. Movie look out. Gina recently didn't movie as a matter of fact. I got very angry that a guy tried to Sam us over many bulldog puppy and myself holidays. I'm going to be because what good is a quarantine if you're not using it some learn new skills and I wanted to talk about the scammer so I taught myself out at edit videos and movie just for that so few need help let me know. I love it straight if I have. Any scammers at nate exposing. You're you're going to make the documentary. I've learned when it comes to Gina. The the last thing you do is a scam her and if you do it with dogs you're doubling the consequences that go ball for them or for anybody. They did resort to What was it like a Voodoo threats right at some point in Buda threats against our friend Ryan Bieber sluice who writes for our sister slight cat scratch reader covering the panthers and Ryan was just straight up trolling them. Yeah ended with Brian telling this guy that he shouldn't try to scam has friends and that we didn't deserve that and the guy said that he was going to use lack magic and Lebron so it it was really a whole wild ride and honestly the most entertaining thing that's happened to me during quarantine it was actually something that wasn't just sitting on my couch re watching stuff that. I've already watched before so seriously. I want a demon to come in like haunt me during quarantine because it's like what can I get? Some hosts regularly cool. Give us something to do exactly. It's like fuck you think mad about this no ghost. Let's chill. Oh that's you know that things have gone sideways when you're welcoming like demonic spirits into your home like I'm so bored I would welcome like demon possession at this point. I don't think that there's any evidence that demons carry corona virus. I mean I. I don't know how you would quantify that we don't have the data in the would. Chelsea would say we don't have the date on that yet so so and I al- always listen to Dr Vouch. That is my best recommendation for everybody all the time. You know what? I'm a fan of listening to failed reality TV stars for my medical device. Personally how much aquarium cleaner have you ingested David only like fifteen ounces does wonders for the stomach Boy that went sideways. Sorry we talk a little bit of Falcons because I feel like our listeners. This pointer are going to start tweeting at me and saying what the hell happened. David and obviously Thursday. We finally going to get some real. Nfl content for what feels like years. We're going to have the NFL draft going to be weird in different because it's going to happen remote like everything is these days and they're still going to go through with it. This is going to be a once hopefully once in a lifetime. It version of this. Nfl draft and as usual. The Falcons have picked this draft to make as much noise in the media as possible radio. I don't know if you've been paying attention to the alcohol dot com though. It's one of your favorite websites and now it's every day and there are relying on giving absolutely There are a ton of rumors. That the Falcons at this point are going to trade up and the latest rumor which happened today from Chris Mortenson was the falcons may be aggressive in move into the top five from sixteen into the top. Five with as a Falcons Fan. Obviously that would be a ton of draft capital. I mean we're talking second round pick. Maybe in a third round pick some picks next year. How's that make you feel like if if it were to go after a player like chase? Young Isaiah Simmons to the best players in this draft class. Would you be willing to give up that draft hall for that kind of move like no? No we have too many holes Right now honestly I mean like Just looking at weakside linebacker. I'm like like that's we don't have anybody like I think we have starting. Xfl Guy who like was the seventh round pick to begin with and the NFL for your load. No not not for this guy. Oh that's right that's right But Yeah Yeah. Who is? Who is it Is Edmund Robins? I was just going to the ALCHOHOLIC DOT COM to look this up because yeah I agree with you randy. And I say that with this caveat if they do trade up like a boatload of picks and they move up to get like chase or Accra. I will be delighted because go back but in any other situation that I think that if you're looking at trading UK that much knowing what that's going to cost. I think you have to be realistic about the fact that the falcons are not one piece away from six was saying I think. We have too many holes roster. I think that's irresponsible. It's been a different offseason anyway. Because of everything going on and so the fact that they're already kind of behind the eight all with not being able to meet with players as much as they were like and that sort of thing. Yeah I just think that this is not the year to be going all in on one guy in the first round. I'm torn because just the idea of getting chased young. Who could be a generational prospect as a pass? Rusher like if you get The next Julius peppers like he's a guy that could be a wrecker on defense. Pretend fifteen years. You know a guy that you anchor into the defense. But you know I think back to the Julio Jones Trade and that was a massive move they gave up a ton of picks. And obviously Julio has been the mazing player but you could also make the argument that two thousand thirteen through two thousand fifteen that roster was decimated we could as they gave up so many picks in that timeframe in all I do just want to interject quickly and say yes you're correct but then also the picks they had they did shut lake and them on Peter Cons and I think we have to. There has to be some balance between understanding that yes giving up. All those picks to get a generational talent at receiver did make things a lot roster building more difficult in a year immediately subsequent buts it. Also if you're too stupid to draft well then that's not you know that's that's probably a much meaner way to say that. I need to but I I don't think we were Demetrios tendencies at this point and I think that we know that he is going to pick people the tests. Now I mean it's it's a proud falcons tradition and I'm looking forward to that first round wide receiver Guy Great Guy Wide Receiver set Yeah I think honestly I think your problem with with trading up at this point is you could do it in what twenty eleven with Julio because you knew the like the the good things happening on on offense. We're going to continue. We're not at that point anymore. Who Matt Ryan like? These are guys that don't have that many years left in the NFL and to go like okay. We're we're willing to forego the next draft the next two drafts In order to get one player Then you're looking at like a this year's lost like we don't have enough talent on defense To be able to stop anyone out there. How good are offenses as And one more player on defense isn't going to like make that much difference. We need an edge rusher cornerback and we need a steady up that that linebacker corps get get at least some depths in there Yeah I I just don't see how one player is GonNa so enough need at one position to make up for the other positions. I think you'd think you could. You could list obviously corner Definitely linebacker maybe two linebackers. 'cause you know it depends on how you feel about Foyer I like foyer but I don't know if he is a top tier talent. Linebacker defensive tackle. I think we could still use another edge rusher unless you're completely sold on tack. Mckinley turned the corner in his fourth year. And then you gotta offense. Offense looks good but there's still a question mark at left guard Market running back because Todd Gurley has needed physical like I in theory loved the girly signing so much but until we have a an accurate idea of his health status. I'm going to be apprehensive about. Who Nets five or six positions and the Falcons have six picks And trade up into the top five they would probably have to to trade away said both day two picks They would probably land With one less pick in in twenty twenty one so it probably be a high round pick. I would say the second as what it's going to take to move up at high probably I. Yeah unless unless some team in the top five just is like so desperate that they give us a cheap deal which. I don't think he's going to happen. But the insiders kind of dumb we might. Let's if only Houston was in the top five right there. Well me next. Maybe we can train after all these moves. They've made Yeah it's what Houston has done has been remarkable him all the wrong ways so we agree that trading into the top five is probably not the right move but what do you think about the trade up like four or five spots like if it costs you. Maybe your third rounder to go get your God like if it. Let's say they move up to where the jets rat they move up four five spots they give up a third round there and they get a corner like a CJ Henderson and they keep most of their picks. Is that a move that you would be on board with Gina. Do you think that that's a move? You could reconcile if it's laying a position of need with a guy who's going to have a short learning curve which is going to be really important this year because of the different offseason situation. It's always a big. Learning for rookies in the speed of the game is a big adjustment. Not being able to get any of this experience in person between the draft whenever all of this is cleared up and they can actually practice with the team. You know you've got to get a guy it all. Everything is so different this year like it really does all depend on. Is that a guy who fills the position of need this? The Guy who has the right skill set in the right attributes to fit in the scheme. And is this a guy who's going to have a short learning curve and who's going to be able to really do the work on his own this offseason to be prepared. Nfl Win ever at resumes. Which is a lot task but rookie? Like it's yeah I don't if you can answer all those questions. Yes then. I guess it'd be on board of it but I don't know it just. It's such a trick ear and it's going to be really. I think a big challenge for teams and especially for rookies coming in the judgment period is going to be so much colt whether you think. Randy if the Falcons moved up four spots instead of into the top five Do you think that's a little bit easier to stomach or you? Sort of firm on them staying sixteen No I don't think we need to say sixteen because like because once you obviously get out of that top five slot like you know you're swapping picks so it's like okay. Well like you know if we go up and get like an A. number eight pick. We don't have to give up that much more for moving them down a spots on the on the on the draft so like being at sixteen is a pretty good spot to like. Have a little bit of play as far as that's concerned If there's really a player in that you think is going to go early that you need Obviously I like we're we're not going to get young We're not going to get a coup those great players to get but I don't think that we're going to have enough to trade in also keep enough spots to dig up and get those guys but yeah if you look at semons like we might be able to get him Cj Henderson those are those are players. That I'm okay. Losing a a late round. Pick to pick out. I don't I don't WANNA lose a second rounder. Now that's that's like that's going to kill it for me because you know as it stands right now. We have three three picks in the top one hundred. Yeah like that's a good position to be an honestly I I wouldn't want to give any of that out but I assuming you could give up that I guess the third are there around Give up the third round to to move up a couple of spots. I be willing to do that. But like GotTa hope for some good. Somebody really good in the second round to to to make up for Whatever position you didn't get in the first round. 'cause I'm 'cause I'm looking at you corner. Yeah they they've got that yet and it interesting. Dan Quinn said today that he thinks Kendall Sheffield who they drafted. Last year. I think in the fourth round out of the there is a Dan. Quinn said he thinks this could be a starter on the outside now. He didn't necessarily say this year but I think we all saw last year. That he's very talented. Very Athletic Corner Isaiah. Oliver will be in his third year. Hopefully will show more progress but obviously when they moved on from true font clearly for cap reasons they either banking on those two guys being starters immediately or they are banking on drafting a guy to replace truthful in a lot of people now are Lincoln developments to see a Henderson. Some people are saying they're going to trade up to get. Cj Henderson I will say when it comes to the the the moving up for the Falcons. It seems like they haven't necessarily been predictable in that regard Randy mentioned earlier about drafting wide receiver. I think everyone was caught off. Guard when the Falcons draft to Calvin Ridley a couple of years ago when we moved up to get Julia was asking you know in our writers chat. Today it was like. Does anyone remember if there was any chat about moving up for? Julio the was none there is none and so I I WANNA leave open. The possibility falcons going to shock us because no one saw Chris. Lindstrom call coming last year and I still think that move could really work out. You know assault yet. No one hundred percent. Think Gary Oath actually I I hope for both of them I'd really like to fix that other guards spot but you I. I was not happy about last year. Drop Day and now I liked the investment on the line. But we're not done so randomly ask you. Do you think with all of this talk. It's it's clearly. We're in the seven day period of of that draft. Do you think a lot of this is smokescreen. Do you think there's any truth to moving up Henderson a do you think. It's just conjecture. Like what is your personal feelings. A fan do you feel like this is going to happen or is it just shot in the dark point I think I think the The idea of going up and getting Henderson it's is is definitely a possibility but I also think that obviously Dmitrov is talking to a lot of people about a lot of things you know. Sometimes you just have to say the words out loud you know. You have to have a conversation with somebody to go like okay. How how would this fit for us? You know how would this work for US I don't even know if we'll have to go up to get Henderson. They they might like do it just to make just to make sure if they've heard some rumblings from other teams like grown smoker. Something saying yeah you know that. They're looking for Corner but It is one to be interesting. I think with the the way that they've had to switch up the draft in the fact that everybody's doing it from their own homes and that sort of thing if there's more conversation between teams you know about moving pex or because corey is like home and you know solely focused on this one thing or thor's last because trying to manage this process in such a different way is so like overwhelming for that. I don't these are the things that I think about while I'm stuck in the house. Is it going to be like all of my fantasy football drafts? Everything goes off the rails early in stays off the rails probably well A. We'll say if I remember right and correct me if I'm wrong because my memory is shot of vodka When we traded up for Julio they had the deal in place with Cleveland ahead of time and it was contingent on the player. They were looking for being available by the time. That spot came open is that it might remembering that writers that way. The I remember is that they had the conversation and everything that you're saying is accurate except that it was their backup plan and they were trying to trade with Cincinnati said draft. Aj Grain Aj Green. I think was a and holy was CNBC. Rare these point. The Falcons and Dmitrov are probably talking to a lot of people about a lot of different situations back late and CJ Henderson may may be legit but it may be one of a dozen conversations that they've had they may have talked about. Can we move up for Henderson with one team miffed talked about? Can we move up for Isaiah Simmons with another? That may have talked to Dan. Snyder said is dumb enough to treat all the number to chase young. Yeah the thing is I mean. I don't think that they I don't think that they can know what they're going to do unless they're able to piece together a pretty comprehensive idea of what other teams are going to do and teens only willing to share so much and about that. So you know it's a it's a whole process but yeah I guaranteed that they've got a plan B. Plan C. Down to plans. Which is I don't know Zombie draft. Who knows I mean? That's how these days yes. It is so before we consider this conversation. We do have bills to pay. So we're gonNA take a quick break. We'll be right back. And we're back on the alcohol podcast Dave Walker joined by my co host. Gna Thomas and our favorite guest of all time randy havens of stranger things. And we're talking about Falcons life the quarantine drinking habits and I WANNA ask you were Andy because I think this is this. Rumor has gotten a little stirred up. And I'm thinking smokescreen. I'm hoping it smokescreen. But the Falcons are now being linked to a quarterback in the second row Specifically Jalen hurts who I believe where he played this past year. Jalen hurts. Yeah Alabama await now Oklahoma Oklahoma. That's right never stop thinking of him in Alabama right exactly. Yeah we're from Alabama transferred Oklahoma. Stop saying San Diego chargers. I don't care I don't care. Geography is meaningless We are Jalen hurts previously Alabama now. Oklahoma they're being loosely linked to him There was some talk. That the Falcon I never bought this at the Falcons. Were looking to draft a quarterback in the first round which felt like just complete bs but a second round pick again If the Falcons were to use their second round pick on a quarterback how are you feeling about that Mr Havens? Absolutely not one hundred percent. No no no no I will. Immediately understand the Falcons if that happens Lou there too holes on defense to start thinking about well. Who Do we want? Is The quarterback in the future. And what are you talking about like we can't we? We cannot do that. We cannot sacrifice today to worry about tomorrow. It can't do it we we we have. Today we have a limited amount of time with the guys that we have we need to shore up the defense and give our offense shot at Winning a some games yes. Thank you Gina. Your your thoughts on this rumor as popping up recently. I mean the second round quarterback and missile. That's insane. I agree with Randy. I don't really have anything to add to that. Except for. It's the DUMBEST fucking idea that I've ever heard. And if they do it I am going to be the maddest online that you have ever seen me and you know. David that thing something. That's that's no you get back on. Let prefer I stay? I'm basically the hulk of being met online these days. That is not dishonest. Yeah so anyway I will be completely lifted. I could not agree with randy more. Everything that he said is completely accurate. Give Matt Ryan the luxury of an offensive line. That doesn't let him get murdered. Emory two seconds and let him cook. You HAVE KURT BANKER. Who is actually a promising backup? Hand Matt Shaab Way Too much money. It's a whole the clipboard. And he's open serviceable. Backup quarterback is not a need and we all know the team can't afford to fund for Matt Ryan so drafting quarterback in the first or second round is a fool's errand is completely unnecessary. And I'm really annoyed that anybody made me even adjourned. Can't I have enough going on? Okay you guys. I have enough going to to your point just a couple of couple of weeks ago. The Falcons restructured Matt Ryan's contract. We covered it at the Falcons. They basically converted his salary to a bonus which allows them to spread the cap hit amongst the last. You know three or four years of his contract but that also means that they increased his cap hit for twenty twenty one twenty twenty two twenty twenty three. They are not cutting him next year. They cannot afford to cut him. And they shouldn't. Because Matt Ryan is an actual reliable franchise quarterback that is so rare. It makes me crazy. That people don't see that we've got a good quarterback and you should value that they don't grow on trees they are not easy to find and all you need to do is look around at the rest of League and see the teams that don't have stability of possession and the way that they are floundering it if you want to have postseason success and if you want to have a consistently successful team you need the ability of that possession. We have it. There's no reason to fuck it up. End of discussion. Yeah we've got a baker the Depending on how this grown buyers things go think goes We're GONNA need an eastward sky in you. The Guy Out. There is a sleigh on cod. So he he had the the. I think that our next guest on this podcast. I'd like to anchored on. Come and talk about what he's doing in. Quarantine. His wife is expecting a baby. They're expecting their first thing on CNN. So that's a whole lot whole leather wrinkle so yes and I WANNA throw longest. She wait a minute she is. Is this a Corinthian Baby? I don't think it's a gorgeous announced the practice of the right before all of this starbucks no no quarantine baby. No so. I'm thrilled for them and they're just going to be the most adorable. Swedish parents But yeah that expecting a baby right. Now that's what I like banker Yeah I don't WanNa hear anymore noise about drafting a quarterback. Let's just see what banker can do. And we have appaling Danny outling still to either. Redo his still technically on the Roster Ryan has barely missed any time and when he has old Asmat shop was able to go in there this year and be completely serviceable. It's actually fell possessions. I've need okay. This is ridiculous it the whole rumor felt off to begin with and I will say I won't put a pass because this is what teams do they try to get other teams panicky about a player that they think is going to be available in to force them to make moves that a player may potentially drop to them so never put pass the team to throw out wild rumors in in speculation. Just they can try to work a couple of teams. You know up to to go for quarterback when they may not have gone from one like I was mentioning in our riders chat that I could see the panthers easily going with someone like Isaiah Simmons in the first round at number seven but then looking at Jalen hurts as a potential option in the second round will if the Falcons can get them nervous about the idea that they may trade in front of him to grab a backup quarterback maybe they make Carolina make a move to to move up and get somebody or maybe they make another team. Jump ahead of Carolina. In the Falcons. Try to grab a quarterback so and I just want to flow a conspiracy theory because I mean I've got plenty of time on my hands right now to come up with this stuff. But the fat quarterback trading up and the first round rumors were so specific and persistent really. Do make me wonder if they're trying to trade up top five for chase. Young because at the Falcons make everybody think that they're looking at taking a quarterback high and everyone's GonNa be like Oh they're gonNA trade up for two hour they're going to trade up like if you. I if the bengals dumb enough to not take him first overall you know if the Falcons are trying to make a big move and other teams think that that might be for quarterback instead of chase young. They're going to be more willing to work with them. And that's purely I didn't have any evidence to support this. But let's be honest. Isn't it fun to think about nothing else going on honestly to me it in radio? Ask you this This to me is what makes draft so much. Fun is the sort of the intrigue around what each team will do what you look at the teams in the top five. They're in the top five for reason they've got arguably a number of holes. You don't usually see a team like the patriots drafting in top five. You see a team that has a ton of holes on the roster in see all these talented players in your thinking. Who ARE THEY GONNA grab. Who'S GOING TO TRADE UP? Do enjoy the draft for those reasons as a fan you and you know. Parties a Falcons Fan Knowing Dmitrov may actually blow the socks off of us in it. Make a big move yet. Yeah the draft is is really fun and I wish there is a better movie made about the draft. Then that Kevin Costner movie that had like the Lowest Football Iq. I've ever seen. I was like no one involved in the production of this film. Ever watched befall as. It was so bad. I couldn't finish that dumbest movie I've ever seen in my life. God Yeah Yeah I loved the intrigue I also love going back and looking at pass drafts and going. Oh my God you look like I. Ram players never did a thing. Yeah so many players go in the first round never did a thing And and then you have obviously players like Tom Brady Who I think to the states. Don't cry about the fact that they know Who went on to become one of the best ever? Do It By the the draft is is bananas But yet you love seeing the generational players Going like hell early and having a you know like unfortunately it's it's always shitty teams are always. Should he teams get the great players? And it's like Oh man whack you could just go to a good team but you know how happy Tony Gonzalez must have been when he came to Atlan- team. Oh Man I wish we would have won a super bowl where you are now. But he went ten years in never saw playoff game in years never saw playoff game of fire his talent. Yeah unbelievable It's such a great point. I think that's and you brought up. There's so many players that go in the first round and in the top five I mean you. Can you go back and look at top five top ten players that have come out in just been like complete bus you gene? I think about the Falcons in several years ago They got a Playwright in front of with I think a lot of US wanted Khalil. Mack but right after him we got Jake Matthews and he was the second offensive tackle to come off the board behind. Ray Robinson yeah exactly yeah and Robinson was considered to be a can't miss prospect generational talent at tackle and I'm not even sure he's playing tackle anymore. He's actually moved into card because he was a bust. This is really funny because my first professional interview was might Ken. Former Falcons you as eligible for you know a hollow he was. He was up for a hall of fame bed which he deserves. He should be on the pro. Football Hall of fame at the offensive line is not a exit possession and so they at short shrift and so anyway. I met him in an outback steakhouse and I paid for his lunch. Because I was grateful that he let me interview 'em and like I said it was my first one can I asked him because it was the same year. That the Falcons draft Jake and Mike can said Jake Mathews has flawless. Technique is going to be a reliable left tackle for his entire career. And I hope the Falcons keep them forever and I ex not Robinson. He said he's not a tackle. I said but he is like the top rank tackle. He's like he's not a tackle he's an interior linemen. He's not tackle. Yeah I mean even even Mike Mike. Ken Who I would very much trust his judgment over my own. The guy he even said that back then so it is a crap. Shoot though. It's very interesting to see how it all shakes out. The Falco Hollick himself has a storied history of his draft takes. We talked about that recently with him in one of his biggest blunders. I guess you would call it when he was pounding. The table for the Falcons to draft. Glenn Dorsey over Matt Ryan. I was too I was too. I think a lot of us were. I mean. I'm really I was like Boston. College doesn't even play anybody. Like I was mad and Matt Ryan is rate. I was definitely wrong about that. It was not only Dave I will say that leaving. The Falcons drafted jabe young clowney posts scheduled when we asked multiple times if it should be scheduled for draft at when I will give Dave worship for but not a Glendora take. I think that was a pretty common wrong. Take them the cloudy. Thing is just alcoholics folklore. That will forever live in infamy random. One give you. You've mentioned this a few times and I think it's a really salient point. That is this falcons offense right now. We've got two players that Julio is probably got two or three years left Ryan you know. He's thirty thirty five this year. If he goes the Brady route he may be has five years. He has three years arguably in his prime So we've got two of the best players ever in Falcon sister offense. I think the Barnum Matt Ryan his in my opinion is the best quarterback this ever played for this team. And there's some people would disagree. You know maybe put Vicar Bark. Hausky up there. But he owns all the records I don't think there's any doubt that. Julio Jones is the best receiver to play on this team. Julio Jones made the best receiver to ever play on any team you can make a case for that so you brought up a few times. The Falcons need to focus on winning. Now it in your mind is because those two guys are sort of there in the last few years of their career sleep you you mentioned bolstering the defense now giving that offense a chance to win you feel like it's for Matt Ryan it's for Jones's to franchise players that probably only have a few years left in their prime absolutely. We owe it to both of those players to try to win games. Now that should be our focus You know like look for Justin Building Years After those players are off the team but like We have to like we we to them. We you know we. We've obviously given them so much money. So You know they're gonNA be with US till the end but We have to try to win games. Two Day And Because yeah they they they. They don't have a lot of time left. And we have a law young players on the team and I think there was a Falco. Poster tweet Earlier this week about like the the players from the 2016 offense there are still on the team today. It was like. Oh my God. Wow it's like I think it was just like all the players between sixteen demon We have so many like young players. Now I mean that was a young team as well but Yeah no we we. We owe it to them to to try to shore up any of the holes that we have in order to make a postseason run possible now this year next year the year after that like This is this is the time entered into start looking. You know three or four years in the future now is gonNA shoot us in the foot. Gina your thoughts. I really could not agree more on that. I think that we are when you look at where Matt Ryan is in this career when you look at where. Julio is in free or not just that but the fact that I think Julio's too smart to keep playing once his body starts failing him. I don't think that he'll do it. I think the Holy Oh loves the game and I think that he loves the team and he gives it all every single day. I also think that he's too smart. Let his body be irreparably broken by this game and I don't blame him. He's the guy who's are adding up. Revenue STREAMS OF FOOTBALL. You know investing in local businesses and things like that so that he can so that he can survive in enjoy has life after football without having to play longer than he needs to and so. I think that the team just needs to be realistic about fact that it would be a crime to have these two players on the roster for this amount of time and win zero championships. Yeah I think that that more than anything is the reason that team should be on when now mode and Randy said something that really resonated with me and I want to just I just want to reiterate that we owe it to Julio Matt's We owe it to Julio and Matt Allen Them so that they can you know heads they deserve it. They deserve as much as the fans. Do Yeah I mean not to bring up a painful memory but I I go back to that The Super Bowl and I think about that. Pass from Ryan to Julio that I think many of us thought cemented the game. I mean for one To See Ryan move pocket scramble in the way that you know he's grown better and better every year into make pinpoint throw and Industry Julio literally elevate and grabbed that ball this highest point no no other receiver in the League could made that catch in just to see them play with that level of intensity and then to see a young defense. That maybe shouldn't have been that game. some rookies for starting just sort of let that game fall away was heartbreaking and I think about that for a think about it for Julio especially when you think what. They've both done for the city. Julio has been the most non dramatic wide receiver ever to play in the NFL. I mean we need more than more proof than to look at the crap that has been coming out of Antonio Brown in this off season when he's not even in the league anymore. When you look at Matt Ryan. You could not find a quarterback with more stability and professionalism than him in the League and for someone who has gotten as much criticism as he has from day one. The day he entered the league he was being criticized by Atlanta fans. Because he was not Michael Vick who was obviously a fan you a player that many fans were incredibly emotionally attached to And yet these guys have both turned in arguably I would say hall of fame careers for both of them. I think you can make a strong case that Ryan will be in a hall of fame. Thinking make a very strong case. Julio Being Hall of fame to Hall of fame players on this team I agree with you both we we owe it to them from a GM standpoint to shore up this defense as much as possible. Patch these holes. Try to find guys that can hit now and to use this two or three year window to get back to the playoffs and let these guys work their magic Because right now it just feels like once that window closes were back into that mode of rebuilding and Unless you guys I remember Chris Redman Joe Harrington Eireann. Fletch rider left by COD Chris Redman at least you know could play left which hope boy. Yeah well he's. He's coaching hosie coach for the there. I think he's a we fair and I feel like I don't know why I feel like I need to defend Byron left. I'm but like the Falcon signed him and mid week so like on a Wednesday the first day of practice that week and then on Sunday during the game patrono got pissed off. Because because he had bad quarterbacks and he. Bayramov is bent ear for literally four days. There is no chance that he knows this offense. Also everything is airball. I mean two thousand seven that was basically the battlecry. Everything is terrible. A Byron left which I think would have been better if he hadn't been thrown into playing four or five days after the if you could throw a ball quicker than seven seconds that wind up. Oh my word that his arm. Just Whitney Oracle. He's actually offensive coordinator for the Tampa. Bay buccaneers you've ever go. Wow so take that. Let's full circle. I guess with Iran's and that's how it landed there. That was the last one I remember them being. Yeah he did he did go through Arizona. He coaches Tom. Brady analogous interesting. Byron's GonNa have a lot to teach Tom Brady. I'd say much some some quarterback. He's younger than Tom Brady. By the way. Yes by relief which is forty years old. I did not know that. That's so he is. He's younger than the coach that the player He is coaching in. Tampa Bay can we? We have to use air quotes for coaching well. I think that that's accurate and the interest of journalistic integrity. Yes yes absolutely buyer left. Which will be asking Tom Brady? Hey whis there's zero doubt about the Tom Brady is going to be the offensive coordinator of the Buccaneers at twenty th. There's no people people talking about Bruce. Arians running offense with Tom Brady now. Tom Brady's GONNA run his offense with Bruce Arians. That's what's going to happen there All right last question to wrap up this podcast. Get you guys back to your evenings in quarantine simple question draft starts on Thursday night this April twenty third gene. Start with you. And we'll get to our guest for his prediction. What do you think Falcons do draft? I think that they stand pat and they draft CJ Henderson. I think that if they have to move up they will move up. Just a few spots to get C J Henderson Randy question the U. Two players that I think will happen in science. It's very obvious ones. It's John Kim Law War launches on those are. Those are the guys I see going on I don't see a straight now. I see us get one of those two guys and then building the rest of the defensive pieces You know in the wait around Just because that I'm excited about like I think it'd be fantastic but I think you got Dante Fowler Jason and grady like on the on the D. limelight lookout cya because because one of those guys is getting to the quarterback. Yeah we'll say I watched The NFL had a live. Mock draft yesterday with A lot of their riders and Steve. White was drafting Falcons in that mock draft. All the teams stayed. Place the Falcons. Sixteen with the way their draft played out driven kinloss fell to them and they drafted him at number sixteen. A lot of people would always find interesting when it comes to draft talk. Is You begin to hear people. Talk about prospects like Oh. He won't last to that point he won't last that point and by the time you get conversation. Falcons are drafting at sixteen. And they've identified twenty eight players that will not last sixteen doesn't work that way someone is going to be available to the Falcons at sixteen and I think it will be a good player that said I wanna go off the reservation Prediction I think the Falcons do trade into the top six or seven and I think they go after Simmons. He's the one name that we're not seeing consistently linked with the team. But he is the one player that I think has the Freaky athleticism that Dan Quinn like. He goes to bed at night hugging his teddy bear and saying positive things to it in. He is dreaming about Isaiah. Simmons like. That's the player. I think he's where. Where do you think Quinn puts them everywhere? I could see him putting him like you know. People don't realize Simmons played four different positions at Clemson at various points. In time he played safety. He played quarter. He played linebacker. Like this guy. He has got me four three speed in that body size in theory you could put him on the outside and he could potentially cover guys in the NFL. So I if they can land him is the the question. But I feel like he's a Dan Quinn Guy and yeah. It's a wild prediction. It probably won't happen but that's where I'm GONNA put my money for the strap. David we all need a little bit of excitement and he can do it he. He covers a lot of the positions. We need so if we can if we can give a couple of draft picks for a guy that can play all physicians if he can play them all at once. That question near he can't he cloned himself and be in multiple spots on the fields if if he can intercept drew brees in his first game against him. It won't matter what position you place. You're not wrong absolutely right on that note. Radio won't let you tell our listeners really can find you what you've got going on. I don't have anything going on the same boat as all of America You can find me on twitter. You're very active on twitter. Very active on on the tweets By unique brand of of Humor and jocularity can be found at Mr Reidy Hayden's Emaar Rabi Havens at twitter dot com same on Instagram Yeah Stop By. Listen to some of these jokes read. Some of my hilarity are your fake people. Every money needs some levity. Everybody needs a little levity in their life. And let me tell Ya. I'm just a guy who gave it to you. You're levity randy and I respect the shit out of it. If you like dumb stuff you'll love my tweets. Well I will say we at the Falcon Hollick loved them stuff. And we love your tweets. We do yeah checks out gina. Same question where you got going on where they can find you. I'm you know because the NFL is forging ahead with the draft. I'm still pretty busy with my full time. Job Up. Got Some draft prospect interviews coming up that I'll be writing up for the alcoholic Other than I am canceling my end real life wedding and moving and online. So you'll see pictures of that. 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REShow: Steve Mariucci and Bruce Feldman. Hour 1 (04-16-20)

The Rich Eisen Show

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REShow: Steve Mariucci and Bruce Feldman. Hour 1 (04-16-20)

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else you. Podcasts is the rich Eisen show live from the rich. Eisen show studio in Los Angeles Ready. Chris Brockman nationwide televised online at richeisenshow dot com the time of the year. Today's guest is the N. NFL draft analyst. Mel kiper junior vox. Nfl Insider Jay. Glazer was from AMC's Friday night with the mortgages actor. Jeffrey Dean Morgan. And now you're rich is ask. Are we going to start counting? Tj Zo missed it he did. He's one I last two. Hey look Tuesday's or two for three by the way I went one for two on on the In the Promo Promo that we posted over the weekend tweets about how many takes takes a nasty powerlift to start on first one But Hey DEF leppard album nasty powerline like hey everybody. Welcome to this edition. The Rich Eisen show live on our Youtube Feed Youtube. Dot Com slash. 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I don't think he's got the guy who's got the five o'clock show at noon. Adam Schefter Really Atom Uil Shave and then an hour later. It's guy at ten in the morning. He's got the five o'clock shadow. You can tell. And he's doing the nighttime sportscenter hits that he just forgot to shave. Haven came on the air last yesterday. I didn't even put any anti shine on. And I need the Anti Sean Sam. This just in. Hey happy stepping in. You know what day also known as Tom Brady. Draft Day Nobel expert. Oh that's right Asia stepping in. You know what of course come on. Of course you know how I feel about Tom Brady. Well one hundred ninety nine overall. I don't think anybody should we call Mooch and wish him happy? Giovanni Karmazin Day is that the wrong is that. That probably didn't happen because right 'cause out which is yesterday yesterday was Karmazin days. He was a second rounder noise. A third rounder. We're moot you just pick on the phone. We just call. Steve Wish Him. Happy reminds you it right now. Call them call them all right. Well call him and get him on the air. Oh we're going to get the number. Just give them the number. We'll do this on the air. What Am Ozzy Third Round pick sixty fifth overall. So then it would today. Wouldn't be that day right because it was round one three on one day and then rounds four three seven the night just two days three days man. I remember the first time Steve. Bornstein my My executive of choice. You gotTA address. Let's do this call up. You don't put it on the air so people here the the The Beeps Dom Radi actually tweeted out a picture of the six. Our instagram storied this morning the six drafted in front of him. You are the ring rich. Sure can you name the Brady six Steve? If he picks up this is if he breaks. It's a moot you there. Yeah it's rich Eisen. We're on the air live. I'm doing this Steve. We're on the air live right now. You got a second. Yeah well contraband. You're not facetime in me because my little clip on tie on. I'm getting ready to take total access. Okay Cameron O. And it's okay. So yesterday Steve. Well we noticed today and I you know I love you. Stephen W can handle this sort of stuff that we're calling. You live on our Youtube Stream Mooch. Brace yourself buddy. We noticed it was the twentieth anniversary of Tom. Brady being drafted today and we wanted to wish you a happy. Giovanni Tarmazi Steve. You mean you love but you mean you love me right. Yeah not my idea. I'm sorry be still. Coaching the forty niners. Tom And I were joined at the hip. Oh Man could you imagine but I saw I saw I saw clips of like bill. Walsh was saying he was the guy I mean. You guys had consensus in the room right you. I have to go over the thirty fifth. Just you don't you don't remember. You should just play the tape. We get on the rich. Eisen show one of the suitable remember. Remember I talked about God I hate you rattled right now. Yeah I'm so rattled to be talking about sports. Be Talking about the buffalo bills coming up for total access. You got me just sidetrack. Sorry so so so We wanted to find another Steve. Young that puts the quarterback in an athletic category rich. You would not have been in that. We needed somebody to run faster and area meet tall building with a single bound and so we put Tom. In dropback category we had other people Athletic Category Kinda like teams. Do now you know With the Jalen hurts those kind of guys that are athletes. Do a lot more than just Jacob dropback okay. Tom dropback we didn't want to drop back. Lifted Jail Commodity Gio muzzy. Not only was the Italian. Think like he was the point. He was the point guard on the basketball team. He was a Rhodes scholar. Okay you know and not road kill. He was a Rhodes scholar. Michigan's the Harvard of the Midwest. Steve or Harvard's the Michigan of the East. So you know Tom. Tom Probably could keep up with that. You know I don't know whatever but still in that other category that you're not considering so so that's it. I'm not gonNA explain this anymore until the thirtieth anniversary Tom Brady. Birthday and Karma Yoga Karamazov become a goat farmer right. There's nobody came one. Tom's when was that was mentioned. That was mentioned on the thing. But I'm not sure if that was embellished a little bit. I have no idea he might have had a pet goat. I don't know I had a quarterback David Bar account with a pig at home page. I mean I can't believe we did this. You did you watch tiger king you. Of course yes to me yes. Travis journey are running back in Green Bay packers yes. He had a pet lion garage by call and found out. Yeah and it got so big now through the door really quick and so Mike Mike Bloomberg found out about it and he said Derby either. The cat goes there you go. Yeah I I start laughing when I watch Joe Dodig and I'm thinking Travis Derby's a lion in his garage in Green Bay Wisconsin. Tell me tell me. It was discovered that we play Detroit. Tell me that happened. That would have been fantastic. Not The only lines involved in the in the NFC north or Central Panther. I don't Jeremy Never invited me over there right from the citadel. All right Steve Shannon Faulkner the girl course ramming I gotta get back to work hard working firm that he and right now we rattled your cage man. We rattled your cage take care of I love you love you by the day Steve. Thank you so much. Oh My Gosh. I mean he did that. Oh man that was. That was great. I want a great start to the that was honestly when we should call much. Yes we should us we. Should you guys do to move to what you do to me because we're very similarly we excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me realize Miami you do first of all that's true secondly secondly do you know what they do to me just to do you do. They deserve everything back. We deserve everything I think. I'm cool as cucumber. Okay even though I just stumbled on the cucumber. I think that but sometimes things happen on set and things get me upset and I try to maintain cool. We're all one family. Whenever like IRV goes off will have fun about it. When everybody's cooled down you know it's never too soon on. Nfl Game Day morning. But you know that commercial the snickers commercial yourself. So whenever I had an issue and I was beginning to maybe pointed out strenuously and my New York Way Mooch busts out a snickers just place it in front of me as I'm dealing with the situation and the rest of the guys will just laugh anytime. I try something physically on the set. Who enjoys that more curl? That's true more more than bad. That was awesome happy. Giovanni the other Brady Brady says yeah. Is Chad Pennington Giovanni Kamasi spurgeon win Chris? Redman Mark Bolger? That's six yeah. I'm Yeah Karma Bolger spurgeon win Chris Redman Chad Pennington. And here's another one in there. Yeah thirty believable one ninety Pennington by the way out of Marshall. He was Randy Mosses quarterback in college correct correct. And you guys thought you t Martin t Martin Tomorrow Don e currently the USC OC t martin or he was okay not anymore. Grand Grand Herald is now right. I mean the greatest quarterback was a one hundred ninety nine pick. That's nobody knew that. Yeah you want. So t Martin's with Tennessee. Titans back Tennessee. That's I see. So t Martin one of breeze. Six Dude D. Martin was coming off a national champ. No I know and Chad Pennington had a very nice career in the jets and the NFL. If I'm not mistaken. He's the last quarterback to win a FC East. Not named Tom Brady. That was the year that Matt Cassel Won. Eleven games and it wasn't good enough to make the playoffs correct because weird tiebreaker. So Pennington then went to the dolphins and had an end Pennington. I mean I think. The Zenith of the Pennington error with the jets was blowing out the colts. Peyton MANNING IN A playoff game in in In East Rutherford New Jersey Bloom out for Herm Edwards Bloom out and that was the pinnacle. So you know. There's that Pennington was. I think the quarterback the day that Tom Brady chat trotted on the field verse. One nothing in two thousand three bloom bloom way out but the jets still. I mean when it all comes down to it shows Pennington over Brady and chose Ken. O'brien over Dan Marino. Dan Marino. One I think is a little wet. You know less forgiving than Tom Bradley. I agree because I mean everyone knew Dan Marino was going to be a great player. Who Knew Tom Brady would become tom? Brady Bill Bell. I don't even know if he'd Joe so everybody passed on him but one thing's for sure you knew. Giovanni carmine wasn't as good as Tom Brady. I mean you could. I mean seriously. Yes that was shocking. They just told Giovanni Mazi from the great hot football hotbed of Of what school I don't even remember wasn't Hofstra wasn't it was hostile yes. I bet cancelled Paul hotbed long. Island's own Hofstra University across the calcium. Oh yeah that's where the jets used to have can't training camp and their facility right there also drafted Timoteo that draft according to Don Buoy. Our our man at the controls. I hear that name on thinking. He's performing at Lincoln Center. Timoteo is seventh round. Pick camera and I'll tell you what they had a backup just in case a go. Wasn't you just heard Mooch? Basically say Bill Walsh and everybody thought he was more of a system foot because he needed to move around and Thomas not he. He was the point guard on the basketball team at Tom Brady. That's Fair Valuation. Not The most mobile quarterback dive a phone call. Hosing Steve Mariucci is brought to you by our friends at Geiko. Do you rent or own your home. You sure. Do Guess what it can be hard work in. You know these days. Is there hard time so if what you need is making things easier you can bundle policies with Gyco and Geico makes it easy to bundle your home or renters insurance along with your auto policy and it's a good thing because we all know we've got too much to do around the house these days? Go TO GEICO DOT COM. Get a quote. See how much you could save. It's gyco easy visit. Geico DOT COM. Today that's GEICO DOT com. We're GONNA get Bruce Feldman on the horn from the athletic. And he's GonNa Call US got it. And and so he's a we don of sorry so Bruce Feldman is going to be joining us and just talk a little. Bit of draft with Bruce and Mel Kiper. Jay Glazer Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Jeffrey Morgan Jay Glazer Mel Kiper Bruce Feldman and your phone calls at eight four two zero four rich. I will say in defense. The two thousand draft was pretty slim pickens pro bowl players drafted after. Giovanni Karm Ozzy after I mean not not many Vernice Kohl's you could look at any draft in players drafted browns four three seven who are wind up being pro bowlers. They're probably slimmer pickings than normal on the verdes calls at least jets hit on him yet. He was really good for a while. Laverne as calls in Chad Pennington. A hell of a hookup for awhile. Dante Hall Dallas Thomas. Remember Him. He's a six eighteen so many handful. So what are you? GotTa poll question over there okay. So at is bill belichick birthday. I was going to go with birthday performances but You know some of them were. It was kind of a stretch to find for Goodwin's bill. Of course drafting Tom on his birthday. Go head coach You'd most want your son coached by head coach. You'd most want your son to boy. Four coachman okay ballot. Check Nick Sabin Coach K. Gregg Popovich so. These are all active coaches coach k. For Bella Check Nick. Saban Gregg is hard so Mike. Gundy didn't make the cut. Tj Like that one my gun. He didn't make the cut. Did Not make the cut. Okay Rick Pitino didn't make the cut either. You have to human bill craiglist. Well Oh my gosh you always always say I mean come on. It's unbelievable I mean you just you just love birds ruining the Celtics. Larry Bird's not walking through that door he did on NBA TV during this broadcast yesterday. When the Knicks and the the Celtics in one thousand nine hundred five Christmas Day man? How'd you be Brown drawn up a play in a Man? That's when we thought okay. Bernard King's can we come back from that injury team out with Patrick Ewing? Who's drafting was feasible. Because Bernard blew his knee out the year before. And here we go the Bernie show with Bernie and Ernie was Ernie Grunfeld now. Patrick Ewing thought it was. I think Bernie. I think Bernard King and Patrick Ewing played a grand total. Like ten games together. Well that's a big. I D I know that's the what. If and sunny were owned the gardens I word sunny were blend Mel Kiper and I don't think we've ever had mellon right. Is that true? I don't think so. Let me double check that. I don't believe Milk Harper's ever been on the rich. Eisen show you know Jay Glazer however has been a regular for quite some time and Jay's coming on to talk about right. We've had todd mcshay on a lot. He's talking about Merchant vets in players in his the story that he was teasing a big story. Brian Allen the center of the Los Angeles Rams is the first active. Nfl Player to test positive for covert nineteen. Apparently he's Okay. He's doing better So J will be joining us to talk about that. Draft and merging vets players is his baby organization laughing baby. You're wearing your shirt your shirt good. We always have it Displayed proudly on our our Couch when when we have guests again in studio you'll see it all the time they go. Well done where there's a warrior there's a way. And what do you what glaze Nate Boyer Longtime Longtime veteran armed forces noticed? Is that veterans coming back from theaters of war or tours of duty. We're having issues trying to find their way in society and fit back in and fell players. Who retire from the NFL. Wondering what's next. They had similar struggles so glaze along with the help of Strahan and many others decided. Hey let's open up spots across the United States where veterans can come and where Former athletes can come and get together. Work out get better. Physically and then mentally through the workouts sit around and have conversations round table conversations about what's going on between their temples I've attended a couple of them. Suzy's count to two a couple to their their remarkable conversations. Ryan Leaf is part of it very moving and obviously with Kovic Nineteen. It just adds the stress level. Even further for a lot of the people who need the workouts need the conversations and I believe tonight glaze is going to have a special zoom where people will be working out by through zoom and then Talking and we want to bring more spotlight to that as always and as you can see right there. At seven eastern time first responders special nationwide session involving Police Fire Department and Emergency Medical Services glazes especial guy. Man That's in players dot. Org is how you can all get involved in that. So that's tonight. At seven eastern time and glaze will be on to talk about the top of our third and final hour. Second and final hour on NBC. And Jeffrey Dean Morgan. From the walking dead on. Amc's a die hard Seattle Seahawk fans. We've got a few of those. Don't we shirt heard on Tuesday? He's insured on Rainn. Wilson is another Jeff Schaffer. Curb your enthusiasm and Dave Lil dicky fame just four of the Hawks contingent that we've had on the show celebrity element joining us now from the athletic Also does a lot of sideline work for Fox Sports College. Football is our friend here on the week before the draft and the day after Many of the Big Five power five conference commissioners chatted with the vice president of the United States about Potentially having a season or not Bruce Feldman back here on the rich Eisen show. How are you Bruce? I'm doing well rich It's been an interesting times. Obviously if all of no doubt and I trust We were discussing off air but I definitely want to bring it on everybody. Finding your family correct. Yes thankfully knocking on knocking on wood right there. So what what can you tell us about? What the College Big Power Five Commissioners. Think about the season right now. It seems to be Pretty Dire. At the moment bruce so there was a call yesterday with the Vice President Mike Pence and really all the conference who was not just the the power five but everybody in in F- The split ball And I think one of the things that that they wanted to make clear. Because look if you don't you know work in the space of college sports you don't probably realize even if you don't college football is different from Kyle College basketball the NCAA runs college basketball tournament the NCAA does not run the College Football playoff and so one of the things that you know. They had pointed out just to be clear as that until the university's feel like it safe for their students to come back on campus and participate in activities They can't have and that's That's just a reality that that several of the conference commissioners have you know pointed out And just just to be clear on that front. Now who knows how how things are going to be different You know a month from now two months from now three months from now but keep in mind that it's GonNa take you know six to eight weeks. Maybe four teams if they get an all clear to get ready for actual games for their own safety reasons beyond beyond the cove it issue of health and and conditioning But but also you gotta remember. We're talking about a hundred man. Rosters Edo another fifty people in support staff. It's like what does the testing going to be like. What is some of the other challenges that that are going to go into this? So who knows of a season's GONNA be able to start on time? I know I've talked to some people were inside college sports who You know consider the prospects of the season being delayed possibly even till Twenty twenty one the start of the twenty twenty one calendar but at least it would get the college football season if if it had to come to that To take place within the academic calendar and what that really means Is College drives the boat financially for college athletics? I mean they don't have it. The money that comes from it'd be devastating towards Universities and and not just the letter forms that a lot of other things that the college football helps on. Yeah we we had your colleague Stadium Brett mcmurphy on a couple of weeks ago when he was reporting about a a poll that he he conducted with a lot of athletic directors across the country. And how many of them thought that there was going to be no season and he mentioned the same thing. You just didn't. Let's just play that out. Why would anybody like Trevor Lawrence or anybody that would be a top and NFL draft? Go ahead and play college season. That is out of season in a way and would not be Would be going on On imagine when the the NFL would be having a combine. If if if everybody's back well enough to play football than than than the NFL would be conducting it's it's off season if you will unless the NFL season gets pushed to I. It just strikes me that that would that would not be workable just to have college football. I mean obviously you can play it but maybe the stars of the game would be sitting at one out. Don't you think the example US is Trevor Lauren? Trevor Orange was a unique case in that regard and I'm not saying what he would decide to do if his team is playing. Would he sit down to all right? I gotta get ready for the combine or I can't risk injuries or who knows you know I? I think we're in such uncharted waters here. The idea of people saying wait a minute. You know I mean. Look where you went to college. It's a really cold place. It's a really cold place and lots of parts of the country. It's much colder in separate than it is in November. And but you know what if if I think it came to that people would would have to try to find a way to make it work and I think you're getting back to the trump lawrence pilot. I don't think there's that many football players remember if they don't have a if they don't have this season I don't know how many is you're working off of where you're basically going off their twenty nine teen film. And then a lot of guesswork. I mean there's already so much guesswork in the process anyway right. I think that would put the NFL. Just from that standpoint. I think that will get the NFL. A really challenging position to try to evaluate people so I I'd be curious. What happens where you'd have like this? This sets up a you know some interesting scenarios because then all of a sudden you're having a season that let's say hypothetically the season didn't start until late January The seasons probably not ending. So may then. So you're gonNA have a season and if it was that without a season ended in May and then. What does that mean for? Twenty twenty one season. Is it piggybacking off that so? I don't think anybody knows I really don't I mean 'cause there's there's nothing we just don't know enough about what's going on but there are a lot of people who work in College Athletics. Who are kicking the tires on? What if scenarios now because right now I think there is so much up in the air and they know again. The money is so Is so monumental for them. I've talked directors at the you know the biggest schools talk about the money involved. And it's a it's a cold hard reality of of this So I I don't know what they would do. Would there be some some kids who say you know I. I can't play if we're GONNA play starting in the winter of of this year it's GonNa drag into the spring because I'm looking at at my NFL future. And what that could mean. Bruce I mean like for sure. Just take a again in and then obviously I know a lot of players might feel pressure in that regard and and again I prefaced by saying this is all. We're we're we're speculating and And there are far more important things going on in the world understand but why would just you know in this in this arena just to play it all out? Absolutely I mean players need to start thinking about all that and as much as they'd like to play one last time with their teammates will however they want playing from September to December or January one year and then going into the. Nfl is one thing you're you're going to start seeing the entire season being Place decide by by prospects. In the same way that Christian McCaffrey placed side The Sun Bowl back in the day and now he just hit it. He's the best paid running back ever so check that box that he made the right decision back in that day as opposed to potentially taking the Jalen Smith for you know just name anybody else Taking that route I think definitely going to that conversation. Yeah I doubt it I mean it's I certainly I don't think that's unrealistic. I don't know how many players fit into that. I think it's going to be widespread where you'd have every player. I could be totally wrong on this. I mean but I don't think you'd have every guy who's a potential combine and by which potential is a lot more than the ones that end up in India certainly Who would say you know what I can't do this because I just think that You know it would i. I don't know I just don't think that many would go. It's one thing to set out again. It's another thing to sit out a few them right. Bruce Feldman of the Athletic Fox sports here on the richeisenshow. Let's talk here now. What's going on with two? I mean what what what are you hearing? Maybe from your End of things of sending it to the next level What you're hearing about his workouts. What you're hearing about. I mean Trent dilfer says he can wizened hundred remade his base Nick. Sabin saying on details on. Espn plus. He just tried to do too much. That's how he got hurt. He's not going to be an injury case at the next level. What are you hearing about his stock right now a week before the draft? You know I I mean like you. I've talked to Trent and I think of talk to some other people in the you know in the NFL around the NFL and college people. I don't think that that that To is a brittle guy. I think that there are certain guys. Have some some some You know injury quirks. Where can happen in the course of just as a very physical game and everything? I don't know how many guys quarterbacks would have taken the he did from Mississippi State and been able to keep playing through it. I just think that you know. Sometimes it's you spin the wheel and that's what happens. I mean the. Here's what I would say about. Two of in terms of his arm tau in terms of his anticipation and how he sees a field as well as his kind of demeanor and how people respond to them. Because I talked to a lot of people inside the Alabama Program Over the last few years I would roll. I if if your medical people had signed off on to me. That's the biggest question. But if they have I would definitely roll the dice on onto because the talent level is so is so impressive that he has from terms of his anticipation how he sees it how he triggers and how the ball comes out. I. If I was going to be wrong I would be wrong. I would be wrong on that front. At least you're you're you're you'd be missing on a guy with a very very high ceiling. If somehow the injuries come back to bite him but I don't think you can look at it If your if your medical people sign off on him Then I think that that's something that you know. Teams have got to decide because to me. I would be more comfortable him than a couple of other quarterbacks a little later who way more inconsistent in what they do on the field and that would give me a lot more than well. He might get hurt. We'll those guys might get hurt too so the pause on someone like love is the fact that he had a drop-off last year at Utah. State I just did not see any Utah State Football. I fully admit that What happened last year? And what do you think might be playing into that one week before? We're expecting to hear his name. Well Matt Wells was his guy. That was the coach at Utah State. Who found him? I hear in the San Bernardino area and nobody else was interested in and he was a skinny guy who threw it well and well did a great job with them and then wells got the Texas Tech Job and that staff left and the new staff was able to. I don't know they tried to replicate what they did. Offensively without maybe knowing the recipe Because they didn't have holdovers from that same group and I think you know this is stuff. I talked to from from coaches who were interviewed at the combine. Mean he is. He is talented but there is a consistency issue. That would get me some pause. you know. He struggled at times. And and I think there's to me there. Is that story about like? Hey you know quarterbacks so critical about what position you know what situation they go into Jordan. Love is that times five. I mean I think he is the one who could be all over the map in terms of if he doesn't go into like the ideal situation I think it. I think it's GonNa be a big challenge for him now. He does go into a really good situation and they took him and they give him time to develop. I think he could be a really really good starting. Nfl quarterback but there's a lot to me there's more factors of uncertainty which were involved and there is with any other really talented quarterback in distress. Bruce Feldman the Athletic College football insider a Fox sports. You're on the rich. Eisen show so in terms of talented guys. Who'd he thinks the most talented kid in this draft? What do you have for me? I'm I'm talking smart. And I'm talking competitiveness at talent. I'm taking Joe Girl. I was around that. Lsu team a lot for the last month of the season and he is. He's smart as any quarterback he's come into the league in a long time from college football He's athletic enough. What he can make some plays and the presence he has with his team. There's a chip on his shoulder You know I have to me. He's there's no such thing as a can't miss guy as a quarterback I thought Andrew Lock was the closest thing I've seen in the college football quarterback coming out but I think he is the safest pick because of how smart he is how he sees a field and also there is a Moxie to them. I remember you know here on the staff at Lsu. Talk about when. Joe Gets to go off you know like He. He's sticking in people's face that edge to them I think will carry. It will serve him well and when you get to know him. I mean he's I'll go with the guy who's smart and who's accurate and he's really accurate and he has really good feet and presence in the pocket. I mean the stuck he would you know in the Red Zone On third downs on fourth downs just was uncanny for college quarterback and so to me these by far the safest pick I know and and and I do know that we're In the world of nitpicking and finding flags and all that sort of stuff and on I totally believe that borough really doesn't have any on that front I mean I watched him make every throw a man if he needed a high point for his receiver. He would do it if he needed to lead his receiver. He would do it if he had a drop in the bucket. He would do it if you look somebody off. He would do it. The best part about him is that he never ever gave up on a play to the point where he'd put his own health at risk and he would be always is downfield. It was amazing. I mean just the the remarkable beyond his years ability that we were seeing was quite something but it was just one year. You know what I'm saying. Where the hell did this come from? That's the question. Yeah I mean look. I think they didn't quite have the same system in place or the talent place at Lsu. When he transitioned there I do know this from talking to you. Know there's a project I've been working on this off season related to Lsu and talking to guys who are teammates. When he first got there they talked about from the day he got there and taking everybody's but the conditioning runs in Louisiana. Which by the way is scorching hot and a year from that point how he basically one over a team and Where he was the guy wasn't there like it wasn't like he was there. During Spring football he came and laid the only other example. I can think of a guy who Kinda took over a program you know late at that. Stage was Russell Wilson when he left North Carolina state to go to Wisconsin And I don't think he had the egos and the kind of stuff that that That Joe Borough had to navigate through at Lsu at that point so Just as a quick aside on it. I'm at the combine and Joe Grady. That was the the passing game coordinator. Who's now the OC? What the panthers and we were talking about this and and I ran into him and Ken Dorsey was around. I'd see NFL coach now also but he was. Miami's quarterback on that great. Y'All could be the best team of all time in college. Football the two thousand one. You know that every team and they were joking you know I was joking would Brady about WHO's the best team of all time? And he was like wanted to wanted to say something to can't and I was like you know no offense to can but the biggest difference in that team because I don't think this Lsu team quite had the level of talent and stars at that Miami but what they did have was as good as Ken. Dorsey was I mean. Nobody had season. Joel girl just did I mean that was. The gap was team. Ken Dorsey Really Really Good College quarterback Joe. Borough had an had his greatest season as anybody's ever had playing that position college football before. I let you go bruce. Your your current apiece and the athletic talking about you've been obviously covering the it's the athletic part of the Athletic. I guess The FREAKY ATHLETES YOU. I give you the floor on this and who you think is the freaky EST athlete available in the draft this year while the frigate not being from that story was Isaac Sopa Laga and it was a crazy story which started out of basically in a bar with a couple of NFL guys and they started talking about how who at the best arm of anybody they'd ever seen and it was just three hundred thirty pound defensive tackle. He just retired like you know seven or eight years ago. And then the story of the legend of him of him being able to throw at seventy five eighty eighty five almost a hundred yards. And then I remember talk you know. I finally get him on the phone. He's talking about what's that That he still trains and he's like well. I didn't take lifting seriously until about two thousand eight. I was like wait a minute. Combine you did forty two reps on the bench and then I was like if you weren't taking it seriously that that you were you know forty years later. What did you do? He said I asked him what the most ever two twenty five was rich and said he did seventy four rats. That is insane. That's like three. That would be the equivalent of somebody running like a three eight forty nine. So there's two hundred and twenty five pounds on the bar including the bar. And he said he he. He lifted at seventy four times zone before time. He said he would have. Is Friday work out? Friday morning workouts with the niners he would get up. You would start out by running three miles and then him and so after I do all this reporting to try to confirm he can throw at eighty eighty five. I follow them like Oh great. Now I gotTa Chase the seventy four reps to twenty five. I mean nobody is ever seen anybody done anywhere near that Schwarzenegger and his Book Claims. He did to twenty five sixty times in the mine. So I call. We'll go off who who was Played for the niners. Rollout was his lifting partner and he swears it's true So crazy I guess. Nobody putting up seventy four reps in this year's draft. Although Tristan worth is one of our favorites that we spoke to. I mean. Talk about freaky athlete. He told his story freak this this past year Courageous right. Yeah I mean look. This is a really good offensive. Line draft especially offensive tackles and this guy was the ISLA cranks out powerhouses in this guy. Was this champion wrestler. Superstrong dude Who did stuff like? Nobody else. Had seen before as a as a You know at the University of Iowa and to me he he was when we did our pre going into the last summer He was clearly the number one guy but but Just you're talking about the exposed to power and the guy is three hundred twenty pounds. Vertical jump at thirty five plus inches or know. Yeah he was US telling us the story that the You know in in high school that the The girls tennis team was. They had their tennis court on the other side of the fence Where he was practicing his was that the the disc of the shot and the discus and he would throw it so far that it would land in the tennis court and he had a changes workouts to make sure that the the girls weren't on the tennis court doing their practices when he was throwing the discus. I mean that's because he is in a small town might have thrown it really from one end of this town to the other it and so the question is where does he go. And who goes first and so you name worse that guy and then there's chase young. I've never seen anybody this year. I know Michigan change their entire offensive game plan race him essentially and you know they got erased anyway. Penn state would let him loose. Just wouldn't even block them thinking that they used speed against him and he was too damn fast. Anyway that kids something else man that kid else you know just on him and this isn't even a freakish thing we did. Bergame as a Friday night game at northwestern meaner they're gonNA crush northwestern to see him and I had great d lyman. The bosses come out of there in the last few years but the thing that was different about him than those guys was the team fed off his energy. From the moment they got on the field and warm ups and to the time when the rope forty on North Western silent. And he's pretty much out of the game like he was that you could see how they set off his energy And I'm fascinated to see what he's GonNa do 'cause if he right when he was. He got the two-game suspension. I really thought he had a chance. I'm not saying he was going to overtake bogus. Borough kept on playing better but he was the most dominant defensive player. We've seen in college football. You know maybe going back to sue. I mean 'cause sue was just wrecked people at Nebraska that year but what chase young did was just remarkable and obviously they had a lot of talent around it. So some of the things you're talking about it's pick your poison and that's a lot of poisons you're GonNa be you'RE GONNA be Dobbin down so I mean I think he'll be. I think he'll go to pro bowls for as long as he's in the NFL. Bruce Thankfully call man. Everybody should check out. Bruce's work on the athletic and then We'll chat maybe next week when we when we've got a draft to talk about looking forward to it. I'm glad we got it right back at Ya. Thanks for the call that's That's Bruce Feldman here on the rich. Eisen Show. Check him out. I follow him on twitter. You should check him out as well. Good Chat right there. Man Shot Right there magin. Doing seventy reps nausea. Well and by the way it's two hundred twenty five now lights of twenty twenty five. It's not to play to twenty five that crazy. I'm taking too I. I'm not. I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry if you're if the medical recheck is come out clean and we'll talk about this with Mel Kiper. Top of the next hour when he joins US As our first guest on our NBC. `Send Show but you're not taking him if you're the bengals. No I'm still taking burrow. You're hearing borough is a special And I remember who I apologize to. Whoever the mock drafts during the middle of the season and this was prior to getting hurt was some. Cbs Guy Saying it's borough over to and I'm like no chance no way out of your mind. I thought though Miami who's going to be number one over all the time and it looked like that because it was right around. Miami had just beaten the jets. I think for their first win of the season and it was right around the time the two and borrower getting set for that big match up between the two of them and sure enough kudos to Joe Borrow Man. What a season so. I'm not saying that I'm saying though if I'm the dolphins at five. Oh Yeah Yeah. I'm wondering all this. All this smokescreen about to his abilities and how he's dropped dropping is in fact. Miami trying to avoid having to trade up for we take Herbert. I know well that was about a month ago. That was that was right around the combine when we heard that. Yeah I'm taking too. I Trust Trent Dill. Not taking him number one. But if I'm in that correct five rain right and if God forbid he's there for the chargers holy smokes that's too yeah that would be. He's the perfect choice for for them to be. There's no way he was passed. Six in my opinion. No no way. I don't think that's one week from tonight. Baby cannot wait. Oh my gosh. I've got set up for later to. I'll say it on their coming in the house. Nbc esn. Well that's That-that's tomorrow they're coming in the house tomorrow but I've got Cultivate I've got something going on nights. I'll mentioned at the top of the net cultivating Oh yeah so. This is what we're talking about With Mike Del Tufo two plates of Twenty. Five said that you said one day when Justin Hartley of this is us was here mentioned he. He's a a workout warrior. He worked out Glazes unbreakable gym. And you said that you plank to forty five and we're like no way and you were referring to the fact that you plunk two plates of forty five. We had fun by with you saying that that was that was one forty-five right plank. One forty five we like. There's no eight hundred forty five pounds. You know no no one plate of forty five. We're told you that's not the way it works and so Mary. Ut and IRV were here together as a couple. June's ago take a look. Mike del Tufo over there. When Justin Hartley of this is US was here on Friday. He planks waits on his back areas putting plank after plaza. Forty five pounds. A waves on more weight Zeke. Come on let's get some more del. Tufo sees this and goes on. I could I could do. Is Paul One forty five five now? We took that when you say when did can do one forty-five how much weight do you think that means just online forty five? Play off important. How long you say you can do the minute. Come up here. We go right spot. Among all we coach coach seat victory is simple minds. Patrolling Jack is baby. We've got to show them. What are we got the babies? Don't worry second GOP two blocks out blogs that we've all seen finish line. Glory look at your chest touching your favorite coming towards sex took three days that everyday people. Jim I can't tell I do. I do did still in the best lies. Mariuchi dishes it out. A and sometimes he has received as he did at the top of this program. I just want to let Irvine I would. If you were my coach I would run through a wall that was. I couldn't IRV now. We're starting to plank my eleven year. Old Zan is starting to plankton. While we're trying to get the best thing I don't know and so I used to just not into the idea of like suck so I try to get IRV on On facetime to get him to do that but IRV has been unavailable the two times at tried so I got mooch boots. Did it just as good Mooch so legend? Let's take this phone call here Super Mario in Lincoln Nebraska. How about that? What'S UP Super Mario? Hey rich thanks for taking my call. And I I just WANNA say wholehearted. Thank you to you. And your crew for giving every single day some sense of normalcy. Your fans really appreciate it. I really appreciate you saying that man like I said you know we We check in with each other. We're like how's everybody feeling where here we do. The social distancing. I Guess Del Tufo and Chris are the ones that are closest together. Everybody but you're you're about eight feet apart so we're able to do it here And we're feeling well. Thank God we'll do it. That's it. Yeah you guys are awesome. I got a buddy alley. And He's told me that's a very weird world right now so we do appreciate you about that. Yeah the second part man I I wanted to bring this up so this new normal. It's so weird. People learned how to live in the moment. They're trying to plan for a certain. You know uncertain future and all of this craziness in the world. There's one topic that is burning a hole in my brain and I think you need to bring it up with with your dear guest today. Mr Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Okay how in the world Zambia apocalypse is he able to maintain that fantastic hair phase? So you've got going on man so you're not you're not cut their own hair right so you're not you're not asking. How is he keeping his haircut in our actual pandemic? You're you're talking about his his make believe Zombie Apocalypse. How does he how does he? How does Megan keep the flow as we say exactly and I think what he probably needs to do is Is Maybe have the writers right at the end or an episode right or maybe he needs to do a diy at home. This is how you can cut his hair during. I think he probably threatened somebody with Lucille to give him a cut that he wants. I don't think he pays. Let's put it that way. I don't think I don't think needs putting down harder dollars on that front. Thank you for taking my call by the way. He's calling in to talk about Friday night in with the Morgan's on AMC. And he's launching a Friday night in with the mortgage show he and his wife. Hillary Burton Morgan are doing a program. It premieres tomorrow. Friday April seventeenth on a ten eastern nine central on. Amc by the way home to have you seen the latest better call Saul in watch. The last two episodes have been so special. 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Position U

Marty Smith's America The Podcast

41:06 min | 2 years ago

Position U

"The Marty Smith's America podcast is presented by Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire a all up into the Mardi Miss America podcast sixty <music> something sixty one sixty three sixty four. That's a huge win for us. The fact that we've actually made it into the sixties is a remarkable feat. It might be historic. I'm proud of a couple of knuckleheads like us us. We haven't done anything to make anybody mad just yet. That's pretty good. Let's see if we can go in though we'll see if we can keep it going and I had a big week big big early portion of this week and that's why it's Wednesday before Travis and I've been able to you sit down long enough to take the March Miss America podcast volume sixty three or sixty four. I was in Bristol actually in studio on the E._S._p._N.. Campus got their Sunday evening and hosted college football live on Monday on Tuesday and it was so dang fun. I got to spend each day with Emmanuel Acho and Jonathan Vilma two of our tremendous analysts college football analysts. They're both so smart. They both played. It's such a high level. He manual Texas of course Vilma at the U.. Vilma in my estimation was part of the most talented collection of athletes in the history of college football and Travis is smiling because because why Travis greatest collection ever a year later got beat by the Ohio State University and they did guy named Craig Bohl who most of you probably have never heard of regardless it was awesome to spend those couple of days as with auto and with Vilma into learn their expertise. It's just so cool for me to be around guys who played at all and certainly that played at all conference levels as those two did and in Vilmos case all American can level you learn so much about the game that you think you might know this or that. You might understand all the nuances in the minutia that follows and then those to tell you. Let me tell you about what it's like for Manny Diaz to be your defensive coordinator at Texas. Let me tell you how they motivated you and what it's like Jonathan Vilma to be on that unbelievable collection of talent that included the likes of Sean Taylor and Clinton Portis and Frank Gore Willis mcgahee Andre Johnson and Andre Johnson and on and on and on Jeremy shockey and Greg Olson. It's an embarrassment of riches to go through that roster and to have the opportunity to chat about what those practices were like with Jonathan Vilma and the fact that the vast majority of their games were much easier than any practice they had. That was my conversation with Vilma on the way to the airport on Tuesday Tuesday who gets to do that. I know it's awesome should've practiced a little harder for the game. The hate is rolling. The hate is rolling out of Columbus Anyway just a such a fun week and getting the host college football live alongside those two. I had so much fun and the conversation in the debate the heated debate that we got into on Tuesday with those two and with Tim Hasselbeck was so fun and it centered centered on all the rage at E._S._p._N.. Right now which is position you and Travis and I will get into our own debate about position you momentarily but before we get into that I got to remind you guys about the difficulty of hiring hiring was once Howard used to be travis used to be but guess what ninety more multiple jobs sites you have to go through. All these stacks resumes back in the day confusing review processes not anymore for today. Hiring is easy and all you have to do is go to one place to get it done. ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash Mardi ziprecruiter since your job to more than one hundred of the Web's is leading job boards and they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology ziprecruiter scans thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites them to apply to your job. You don't have to find them and then go ask them. Ziprecruiter Ziprecruiter does it as applications come in Ziprecruiter analyzes every single one in spotlights the top candidates so you never miss the perfect match ziprecruiter's so effective in fact the four out of five employers who post on Ziprecruiter dot com find find a quality candidate through that site within the first day first day and right now you guys can try Ziprecruiter for free that zero dollars zero cents for free at this exclusive web address ziprecruiter dot COM com slash Mardi. That's Ziprecruiter dot com slash M. A. R. T. Y.. ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM Slash Marty Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire and I'll tell you what it's funny one of our best friends for for university versity Emily Turner she was here. She does left in fact she just now left. She was here all weekend hanging out with lanee while I was in ended up in the first of the week while I was hanging out at E._S._p._N.. In Connecticut and going to the beach and having a few drinks drinks and just having a great time and reminisces tremendous friend of ours and she is the director of human resources and recruiting at out in lane the people who make my suits they're accustomed suit accustomed soup company all right right there <hes> my buddy Peyton Jenkins founded that company and they just do an awesome job right and I'm sitting here looking through the the read that Travis sent me about Ziprecruiter and Emily says Ziprecruiter is like my best friend. I went what you should come on a pocket like you should come talk about it but she left so I'll do it. She uses Ziprecruiter as the lead recruiter for out in lane to find quality candidates for that company and I found that to be so funny because we're sitting here talking about it and we know it works. We WanNA job people out lane ziprecruiter ziprecruiter and we're talking about big Tom Companies. We're talking about companies that are changing the game. We're talking about innovative. Native employers are leaning on Ziprecruiter. Just like out in lane does and I found that to be so cool so y'all go to ziprecruiter dot com slash Marty. Tell them that that's where tell him we sent you and put your resume. Up there all right and now we're going to get into position you and McGee is not with us this week McGee's in Saint Lucia he sent me a photograph of him and Erica his wife there in first class making their way down to Saint Lucia for the week. He's played drunk right now. He Trust me. He's drunk right now. He's having a big time sail with Captain Morgan and he deserves it because he's been busting his tail. Actually it's funny. He was at E._S._P._N.. On Tuesday to yeah we didn't meet up because his flight got delayed. We didn't meet up because flight got delayed but Travis and I got insults pretty good travis not tossed a few back and just had a great time and it was funny. That McGee was up there and it's funny why he was up there on Tuesday newly Minted University of Miami. Hey coach Meinie as was in Bristol during the car wash. He was on Sports Center. He was on N._F._l.. Live he was on college football live with Acho and Vilma and myself hanging out and preaching the faith the U._S. back. We're going to get the swag back. We got the turnover chain and this is funny part about it. Many many moons ago Manny was actually a production assistant at E._S._p._N.. And Manny's Le last highlight that manny cut for sportscenter guess what it was Travis Rocko. I know what it is. It was tiger woods Sunday performance in the first masters he ever one in nineteen ninety seven manny as the head coach of the Miami hurricanes cut that highlight Linda Cohn read it and it was funny we wrote it back on college. Football live with manny on the set with us and he got to relive that and what a cool moment that was for him and then he went out the door and now he is the head coach of his hometown team. Manny is a Miami native he grew up loving the use swag with Bernie Coz are all the way through Ray Lewis all the way through Ed Reed who by the way was also on Vilmos team. Hey Fair Dude. Hold on a second. Though what you're telling me is I could potentially coach at Ohio state. It's not get carried away travis. You know I'll call Ryan Day for you just for you. I'll call coach day and tell him that I found a diamond in the rough was passionate about Ohio state for I was told on twitter yesterday by as an employee on Ryan Day staff that I could be brutus and so I'm I'm screened grabbing that tweet using Mark Dantonio said that I could be brutus brutus even like the tweets. I feel like at least one game this year. I should be allowed Curtis now. We're GONNA pull that off doing that for the Michigan game all right. No I don't WANNA I don't WanNa go up to that. You don't want to go to T. T. U.. N. No you don't WanNa go to Boston like hotdog quarter. I'll take like Anne Games Indiana or something nice cool fall game all right well. You look good big old fat head on your melon. I think so too running around their strike pants on does the book I wear striped pants. He's GonNa Football Pants football pants on yeah. All I know is that big O.. Head Molly Buckeye scarlet pants with white trim down the side. I see you look good in that man. I think so too the real good look for yeah. I'm calling Pantani myself. We're GONNA make that happen. Hey Buckeye. I know you're listening. You're taking the Indiana game off this year. Travis rock hold he's GonNa put on that big old fat Buckeye head and he's going to run around. He's GonNa make people to screaming cheered. He's GonNa scare kids today. I just want the t shirt gun to shoot. I always want you to couple of shirts off. I know and you know I know you. You'll get t shirt gun and you'll find people wearing Indiana shirts and you'll blast him. Oh I didn't actually think about that. That's exactly what you'll do. You remember that remember that viral video when that Moose he was a minor league baseball game and that Mu shot itself right in the ball yes merit. I will make sure how to do that. That was hilarious. Make sure the guns pointing the right way dude. I won't do that speaking of Ohio State. Ohio state is very well represented in position. You let me explain to you guys what position you is. It's all the rage E._S._P._N.. Right now now it's on every single show from N._F._l.. Live to college football. I we spent the entire first block of the show ten or twelve minutes on Tuesday on college. Football live discussing this and debating this and here's what what it is our E._s._p._N.. Analytics team released the position. You rankings which dug deep into the numbers to find out which schools produce the best players at each position in the B._C._S. in College Football playoff eras that goes back to nineteen ninety eight all right the calculations are the result of a combination of four different criteria. I first team all conference awards then. There's consensus all American selections N._F._l.. Draft position and N._F._l.. Production naturally on the show we started with quarterback. The first school on the list at number five is Florida state if as you of course produced heisman winners Chris Winky and Jameis Winston as well as first round picks in E._J.. Manuel and Christian ponder number four was Texas Texas turns out talent like major applewhite Chris Simms Vince young and my nude Cole McCoy. I got down there right now SAM etlinger he ain't bad either Oregon Joey Harrington Marcus Mariota current signal caller Justin Herbert who many believe could be a heisman candidate this season some aren't so trust me. I heard it all day on Tuesday in studio. Oklahoma is number two. Oh you speaks for itself. Baker Mayfield calum Murray Sam Bradford all our heisman winners all our number one overall picks in the N._F._l.. They'll draft and number. One Southern California guys like Carson Palmer Matt Liners Mark Sanchez who just signed on E._S._p._N.. Welcome brother and my Dude Sam Darnold art and that's just that's just a few of them. It's hard to even believe I believe that Matt Cassel People Forget that Matt Cassel played at Southern California. He had a better pro-career then he did a college career. I mean it used to be if you go to U._S._C.. You're just assume that you're going to be a first round draft. Pick the physician. Yup No doubt so that's our quarterback list all right it's F._S._U.. At Five Texas for Oregon three number two Oklahoma number one southern California and to Travis his point for the last however many years you go to southern cal and you play quarterback. You got a chance to win the heisman. You probably going to be a first round draft. Pick and it's so interesting when you look I mean think about teams like Louisville. Louisville was number six on the list. They had Chris and these guys were all so good. At the collegiate level Chris Redman Brian Brom Teddy Bridgewater Lamar won the Heisman ballers man right and it's so like Virginia Tastes Funny Man Acho Oh Emmanuel Acho wrote in this email chain that we had he's like Michigan should be on the list. Just for Tom Brady alone I mean he was barely seen the field at Michigan. Well no matter son. He got six rings N._F._l.. Player of the year however many times CBS Giselle bunches his wife I mean he's got good got his own got. He got his own fitness program T._B.. Twelve especially not on the T._B.. Twelve someday I might be when I stopped drinking beer. Maybe seventy five don't do that. Nah Nah. I'M NOT GONNA stop drinking beer so I just found that list. It'd be really cool and interesting and I was given Acho some grief. I'm like well. What about Virginia Tech? If you'RE GONNA throw Tom Brady now you better throw Michael Vick in there because you WanNa talk about unbelievable individual performers. There's never been a more electric college football player and yes. I'm stamping this. I'm drawing this line in the sand. There's never been a more electric college football player and quite quite possibly football player period. He changed the game then Michael Vick. The school that I'm wondering about is N._C.. State with Philip Rivers Jacoby perset Mike Glennon in the league yeah. Do you get credit for Russell Wilson we just had I don't know if you get credit for Rosen zone. They just had Ryan Finley drafted like I you know listen the interesting part about the data. Though the interesting part about the data is it doesn't provide for longevity. It doesn't provide for tenure in the league. I forget but I think it's like the first four two years of the of of your time in the N._F._l.. Is What is taken into account. I need to find that. It's just why like as much as I love Ohio state at the quarterback position than being in the top ten seems a bit of a stretch considering. It's criminal Troy Smith Terrell Pryor who's receiver J._T.. Bear now Dwayne Haskins their tenth but if you take what they did at the college level you've got a heisman trophy and national champion Heisman trophy finalist. You Know Yada Yada Yada. It makes sense why they're up there it. Does it makes perfect sense weather up there. I mean look troy. Smith Troy Smith was a total total dog. I mean that guy will teams to victories and I loved watching him play Oy and then you have oh you as as I say at Bradford Murray and Mayfield all heisman winners all number one overall picks. <hes> Baker had a tremendous rookie season Bradford couldn't couldn't escape injury but when he was healthy played well. Everybody always raved about what he could do in his healthy Jason White people forget them Jason. Why WanNa Heisman do people forget about that? I mean he wanNA heisman trophy at Oklahoma and then you could could go ahead and just pencil in Jalen hurts wonders. How jalen do I think Jalen is GonNa Ball? I think it's a it's a mistake. If you're going to doubt Jalen hurts this year. Here's the thing here's the thing about Jalen Jalen 's attitude and Jalen 's humility and the inner fire that Burns within Jalen in the will the jalen carries. I know that young man. I have spent a lot a lot of time with that young man. I appreciate him so much for the way that he handled what happened at Alabama he got benched in the National Championship game to talk about lower wrote. A movie script ripped. He came back the next year he being Jalen he battled for the position. Got beat out for the position by two two goes on to have a record setting season as a quarterback in Alabama suffers an injury multiple injuries in fact and cannot perform at the level at which he expects and and and coach saving and that staff expected in S._e._C.. Championship game gets hurt right Jalen comes in Jalen right to movie script won't also Jalen he saves the day but if you go back and actually watch the film massive improvements with his arm in that game that I think people are forgetting about because they're just looking at the big story of him saving the season. This dude is a different dude within when we last saw him and now William with Lincoln Riley Bush no question he's able to stretch the field now he's learned how to throw the football and he we all know he can run it and he's learned how to throw it in under Lincoln and that staff the the development that he's going to make in the system in which he's GonNa play main is gonna put up so crazy numbers and again I appreciate the man though he's he's going to lead that bunch and they're gonNA make a lot of noise in the big twelve and in the national narrative in two thousand nineteen so let's let's discuss one more position granted position. Let's transition over to the position that started order this whole mess that started this debate. That is defensive back all right L._S._U.. Claims Its D._U.. Florida claims its D._U.. Virginia Tech to but guess WHO's number one on the list I it's none of those schools. It's Travis's the Ohio State Buckeye. It's not even close listen to this list man. This list is just ridiculous. Twelve defensive bags from Ohio state have been drafted in the first round since nineteen ninety eight twelve of them. That's the most in college football Ahmed plummer Antoine Winfield Bradley Roby Chris Gamble Dinsdale Award Dante. ONTA- Wydner Eli Apple Gary on Conley Malcolm Jenkins Maliki Hooker Marshon lattimore nate clements last year Ohio state defensive backs picked off fourteen passes passes in the N._F._l.. Go look at the saints their their the secondary's basically Ohio state players. It's unbelievable how much talent and then see I don't remember I was trying to bring up. I was trying to bring up guy you forget. This list is nine thousand nine hundred ninety eight till now thinking about your Sean Spring. I was trying to bring up showing springs and I tried to bring up. <hes> you know kind of piggybacking off of Otto's commentary about Tom. Brady quarterback. I was is trying to make the point that there is but one heisman winner on the defensive side of the football ever and that heisman winner just happens to have been the N._F._l.. Rookie of the year Oh and the N._F._l.. Defensive Player of the Year Oh and a super bowl winner our own Ana College Football Hall of Famer Charles Woodson. Well guess what Charles Woodson's last season was what Travis nineteen ninety seven so it doesn't even apply to this data darn who was was it man I forget who it was that put back for a touchdown against Ohio state. who was that? I don't know you're talking to Charles. You remember humor who did it. I don't like I don't like this Marty. That's that's escaping me any right now I can't I can't remember maybe we'll have to look that up now. We can just keep moving on to L._S._U.. They want to claim their debut which is really cute core. D._B.'s picked on top Johnson's ninety eight like yeah but this okay here's that list. Let's read off that List Art President Mall Jamal Adams Laurent Landry Mo- clayborn and P to listen those are some straight ball players and the honey Badger tyron. Matthew View isn't even on this list. He's one of the Best D._B.'s in the League Dude Wilson just going by the stats and if you WanNa just opened up for the entire draft most D._B.'s draft it's in two thousand until in two thousand nine hundred Ohio State has twenty nine. L._S._U.'s got twenty three. We're just putting them out at a higher rate it is it's just remarkable. It's funny because recruiting is so vital today in college football more so oh than ever and there's this select group of schools that are always in that narrative is Obama. It's Clemson. It's Ohio state it's L._S._U.. Now Texas A._M.. And what's the it used to be F._S._U.. Jimbo oh Fisher right Jimbo's taking that and and A._M.. Is going to be in that group every single year you I I. It's so important that we we put so much emphasis on Rico Georgia we left Georgia. Georgia is always in that air now Kirby's doing a tremendous job and when you think about there's another word that is so vital. We've spent so much time talking about recruiting and in today's College football recruiting routing is so important there are there are certain select group of teams that are always in that national narrative at this in this era of college football is Obama. It's Clemson. It's Georgia is Ohio state. Michigan again used to be Florida State Texas A._M.. is now in that narrative and guess why Jimbo Fisher and it's so cyclical right there are there are teams that always were in that narrative Texas this F._S._U.. There are others. It's an art form too. It used to be like you'd have one or two people on your staff that handled kind of the recruiting board and that and now it's departments and then these recruiting directors have their own like coaching trees now were then there are people at their training are going off and starting their own departments with these other schools in its s Ryan it is a whole thing now you know people will mock the whole five star three star and watching seventeen eighteen year olds but high school football but Nick Sabin Sabin doesn't win national championships without recruiting urban Meyer as an urban Meyer without recruiting is the lifeblood but there's yes getting the talent in the door is utterly vital but there's another variable that I don't believe we talk enough about player development right now what separates good and elite in college football is player development and player development. We see Obama. No we see Clemson. Listen to the okay on this list. There were eight different positions ranked in the position. You Listings Alabama ranks among the top ten in six of those eight Alabama. Listen to this crazy Stat Travis Alabama has produced twenty nine first round draft picks in the same era eleven more than any other school during that Span Sabin has more first rounders then he does a losses at Alabama twenty four first round picks. Just twenty-one Losses Alabama has had the top recruiting class in six of the past asked eight years that is unbelievable. It's so hard you go. Ask you boy urban Meyer. You go ask Kirby smart certainly asked saving and Daboh. You're bringing these guys in and you're not promising promising them the opportunity to play. You're promising in the opportunity to earn the right to play and some of these guys who end up being all conference they don't play us off freshmen sophomores. They sit and watch better guys more developed guys more experienced guys teach them. How will that goes? I certainly there are exceptions that goes back to what many years was saying. The practices is where the competition was at Man. It's just fascinating fighting. It's the whole <hes> the position you debate is so fun we could do it all day long and I enjoyed it so thoroughly what I love about it. Too is the current players at these schools. Take take that with such surprised. They WANNA prove that you know they're D- B._U.. And so they're out there tweeting about it and so when they made their making plays in after the game there so it gets a little fun rivalries between teams that are only going to play each other in the college football playoffs you get L._S._U.. In Ohio state talking trash. Unwillingness each other and the C._F._p.. I know it's beautiful. It's absolutely beautiful. I love God bless. We're we are thinking about this. Is We're taping this on July twenty fourth one month one month kicking off football in one month one month from Miami Verse Florida which is a game. It should always happen every year. It's going to be fantastic. You know it's it's interesting to me that the narrative has now returned about about about college football rivalries in the classic ones and the one that's on everybody's mind right now is Texas A._M.. And Texas renewing that rivalry that must happen that must happen because was what Tom Herman what you boy Tom Herman has done a Texas is phenomenal. They have you know they have. They have re elevated Texas back to national prominence back to the to the to the national narrative and what Jimbo's doing at A._M.. Has Elevated Texas A._M.. Back to the national narrative they both have great quarterbacks in Sam Etlinger and Kellen Monde. GotTa Happen Man and I don't know I don't know their schedules. I don't I know the soonest that it could happen probably ten years from now for all. I know if they WANNA make it happen. They can make it next year. They need to man. They need to because like Tom. Tom Herman he's full of Piss and vinegar man. He Ain't here to be your friend. Iran either as Jimbo Jim Jimbo's full of PISS and vinegar to they're not here to be your buddy. They're here to whip your tail and I really liked both guys. I got to know Herman just a little bit my very first year he people forget people wonder why J. T. Barrett was so good at Ohio state for a certain period of time. People wonder how Cartel Jones was able to come in as a third string player and all of a sudden Travis Rock Holds Ohio State Buckeyes are a vertical team with Devon Smith on the perimeter and that crazy wealth of talent that they had Tom Herman Tom. Herman is why the preparation that he instilled within those young men in the quarterback room and the cost self confidence that he instilled within Braxton Miller J. T. Barrett Cordell Jones mattered so much and he leaves at the beginning of the two thousand fifteen season right. Yes and all of a sudden people are like well what happened well guess what happened. He left one of college football's greatest offensive minds when just total stud and he's got players at Texas. He's continuing to get better ones. We gotta get Tom Herman on his podcast. We gotta get Jimbo on this podcast man. I'll reach out to Texas Tom. Let's do it do and get him on here. Let's talk football. Here's the other thing that with college football month away the potential rematches of quarterbacks at transferred that we could get macaj awhile playoff. You've Jacobson up at Washington. You've got justin fields at Ohio state. You've you've got jalen hurts. You've got Joe. All these players could face their former team. They transferred from in the console playoffs this year. It is truly the year of the quarterback in two thousand nineteen. I talked about this on college. Football live with Emmanuel you and with Jonathan when you go through the list of players and this is off the top of my head Travis so you can fill in the blanks if I miss anybody. Are you got Trevor Lawrence. You have to go by Loa who finished runner up for the heisman. Last season. You have Jake frahm in Athens. WHO's GonNa Start for the third consecutive years and because Jake frahm is so good justin fields leaves Athens and heads to Columbus where he'll probably be the quarterback for the Ohio State Buckeyes? Don't forget Jacobson who granted suffered an injury. He leaves Georgia to head home to Washington. I expect crazy numbers from you. Talk about unbelievable tools huge. He's six five six six big wide. Just he's GonNa throw for a lot of yards at Washington this year art Martini Martell leaves Columbus. He heads to coral gables to play for manny at the you don't know whether he'll even win that job yet no but he's a very talented runner. The question for Tate is can you throw the football right. Can you stretch the field as a passer. That's very important all right so you got tape in Coral Gables. Okay then you go to you go to Columbia Missouri. Kelly Brian Leaves Clemson. He heads up to play for our Guy Berry Odem at Missouri. It's just the jalen hurts leaves Tuscaloosa Data Jalen in Okla- playing for Lincoln Riley now in Norman. You Got Sam Etlinger Texas. You Got Justin Herbert over at Oregon. It's crazy you know who I'm excited to watch this year. Scott Frost with Adrian Adrian Martinez very good point and under the radar Martinez is a great place. Got Frost has his Guy Yup and you know what Scott told me that climate through the Grand Canyon he said to me just remember this name and he told hold me the name and I love that Scott has that guy that he that he knows is a baller that he knows is going to lead his men that can be that coach on the field and be that mind on the field so fun I it is I think they're going to win the big ten west. I would love that for him. It's listen man you. I wrote all this in my book which comes out in less than two weeks. That is insane to me. It's called never settle you haven't preordered it. You can do that right now. <hes> one of the experiences that I've chronicle in great depth in in my book is climate through the Grand Canyon with coach Frost whilst and what what that experience was like and what it told me about him as a man and as a leader and during that during that time him discussing the passion for Nebraska what I mean he he is he is a native son he is Nebraska Orne and raised played for Tom. Osborne the Patriarch of Nebraska football and he's trying to return. That glory to his home state in his Alma Mater and I just think it's so awesome he is a no nonsense may in a few words who does not demand anything of his players that he will not do himself. That's why he climbed his rear. In through the Grand Canyon in the heat of the summer and I admire bigtime okay that was a great comment about Travis Ladies and gentlemen. I was just watching S._e._C. Network because right now is <hes> the Mardi McGee takeover <hes>. I just wondering why you guys didn't put the State Alabama Sugar Bowl in your lineup. I requested that I thought I would at least give me one request. I'm just curious. Will you know how special that game is for me. That game was my indoctrination into covering college football for E._S._P._N.. And and there's a phanom dory about that week and back to my book I chronicle I mean you talk about in depth output all the details of that experience in the book and how how I got to know Urban Meyer and the relationship that was bill as a result of E._S._p._N.. Believing enough in me and the passionate approach I take to took to reporting NASCAR that they transition me to college football. It just doesn't happen man. He's a unicorn scenario where a sportscenter guy like me who covered auto racing which is kind of its own island anyway. You know what we think you belong in College Football Football. It's just <hes> when when I it's not lost on me I will never get used to these opportunities. I was just giddy getting set in the studio with Acho and Vilma the other day and Hasselbeck talking ball with these guys is it you know I've watched and admired. Jonathan Vilma was wanted a you talk about doll. He was bad he was a man s straight up bad ass and such <unk> such kind guy. I feel like he can still like I feel like you could still go out there. He's still Jack. He's still has that looking man. They need to give Ville Mon here to let's give them on here and go through his story again that ride to the airport on Tuesday the conversation he and I had could've could've gone on and on stuff he could Mardi just leave a review with Vilma 's name and then I will get to it all right. That's enough. We've we've we've exhausted it today a man and thanks for hanging out with me Travis talking ball appreciate you brother and proud of you and I'm so appreciative of you so now your homework Travis's homework is he's got to go get me. Tom Herman Jimbo Fisher and Jonathan Vilma no problem. 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"The GOAT Tom Brady" with former Coach Bobby Morrison - Episode 041

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"The GOAT Tom Brady" with former Coach Bobby Morrison - Episode 041

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From apple pod being or wherever you are listening please continue to do so and spread the word to your family and friends. Don't forget to rate us as well because that is our podcast. Lifeblood is ratings. It's how we actually move up and help new listeners. Find us okay so typically with the podcast we always say we don't get along but we both share a passion for sports. Geez i have to say that in last almost two years now that we have been doing the podcast together It really has brought us together in a different kind of way and You you've matured. i've mellowed. We get along great and we get to talk about not only sports but lots of other things as well. Would you agree. No i totally do agree with that. I'd say the only like little snag when i'm away. School sometimes is waking up a little earlier than i normally would but i really do enjoy it and it's kind of nice being able to be away from school and take a little break from like the grind schoolwork or like going out with friends all the time. It's kind of nice to have like a little bit hiatus from that and just talk about sports with my mom which a lotta people don't really have the privilege to do I just. I feel like i've talked to wait. You buddy people who are like. Oh yeah my mom doesn't even know what football like that was stock. so i'm just. I'm really fortunate to have mugs. That is their well-versed in sports. World and I mean that. I do a podcast with. That's it not to be cheesier too can simplistic but i mean you really do appreciate all of it too. Good time i enjoyed it. Maybe a little more than i do have at home just because it's kind of more like a job here a little bit but yeah no i love it all right so because you were at. Ut austin i am watching more texas sporting events than i ever would have before and can adjust. Baylor was just going to bring up the baylor game. The basketball game. You know second half it was still a two point game going back and forth and i don't care what anyone says the dunk. This slam was phenomenal but the technical totally took away their momentum and changed the rest of the game. I don't care everyone's saying. I was watching the pan. And they're like yes but after a dunk like like i'm okay with the technical know it totally changed the momentum of the game and it went out to be like a blowout the way i saw and maybe this is a little scooter by that was the first chertien technical foul call. I especially considering scenario he. I mean i'm really sorry that greg brown looked to defend our after he dumped on him and stopped over in inflex on 'em he just looked at him. He didn't look very happy but he just want that. And so the you. The technical. Follow the cosby s. But we're gonna win anyway. Probably not baylor's incredible that she this shoot the hell out of the ball. They have five guys that shoot over forty percents from three and then when they're not hitting the ball when their shots from three they play the best defense in the country has the top defensive players in the country so they're in nearly impossible team to be even with like at what point at one point taxi led by three in the second half and bailey's every game eight plus leading by three. I never really felt like in my mind that we had a chance to win the game. So we're gonna talk about the goats who do you think is the greatest of all time college basketball player college basketball player of all time. I mean told I'm not as like. I'm i don't know as much about the historical aspects of college basketball so there's probably a better answer than the one i'm going to give but i believe will chamberlain. Yeah statistically your motion. College can't player history any play that kansas so i'm going to go. I was actually thinking the same thing. You know Lew alcindor at ucla is well. You know you know. I think that in terms of truly back when guys stayed in you know for four years and lead their their teams to you know two three four championships like that. So i would agree with that so when it comes to athletes the question with the goat is were they always the star or did someone unearth rare gem when it comes to football we are taping this before the super bowl and so of course. Everyone's talking about the goat. eh quarterback. tom brady jason. Your thoughts on tom. Brady the greatest to ever play the game at that position. So i'm it's not for me like the at jaylen. Brown debate is where you feel. Like i'm jay got the benefit of the doubt of the fans. Just can't james. Most of the time. Because most of those people that are real sticklers for michael jordan and the mj lebron to pay actually. Were not alive to see. I'm jay play. So i feel like okay. I will say this. So typically i will side with the with the i i i try not to have recently these these conversations about the greatest player of all time which is why i still think. Michael jordan's a good fastball player. All of that is a conversation for totally different. Podcasts came with the. Tom brady talk their first off. Aren't really quarterbacks. Who has put up comparable numbers throughout the course of their career. And the thing with tom brady is. It's sustained success and in any sport in any walk. Boy like sustained. Success is what's to make you happy it's gonna make you rich. I'm going to make you successful. So obviously you track record of success. Year in year out for the most impressive thing with tom brady is is. It doesn't matter who's on those patriots rosters matter how good the defense was didn't matter who we had on the allying who receivers believe me. He had some years words. There were there is very little in the way of time and receiver position in new england. So when you look at what he said to work with him yes obviously. Tom brady his throwing the football. To some of the greatest pass catcher in the history of the game randy gronkowski cetera et cetera. Now i just think that the how year in and year out regardless of the state of the lead the state of his own team. You got basically the same result from tom brady. And that is incredible to be because any sports is the hardest for to go to win back to back championships. Then wishes why what changed trying to accomplish on sunday so impressive. Somebody mental and football sport but as a player to pretty much see a track record of the expectation and the outcome of the super bowl almost every year. When you're out in the super bowl made the conference championship with the exception of only a couple years is incredible. Incredible to me. So the thing that i like the most about tom. Brady's the standard that he set for himself for where he wants to finish every single year. What i love though is just like michael jordan when you are surrounded by great players on your team like the scottie pippen's and Gronk for brady you also have to elevate the games of the other guys because not everyone is going to be the best at that position on that team right so the fact that he can turn julian edelman to an amazing player. And you look at now. A scotty miller a kid here from arlington heights will look at this. When you when you take a kid that nobody was interested in Went to i think bowling green he was attract star and he's become the julian edelman four. Tom brady. Tom brady elevates other guys games. And that's what the greatest do you you can. Yes you are surrounded by great athletes as well and great talent but you also elevate the games you pull the potential out of player right. I mean it's amazing. Said it's really simply that's more of a testament to the leadership aspect and the social slash glock room aspect of being franchise quarterback. Is you need to be the guy who's in the middle of everything in the locker room. Even though offer defense can be Sort of on opposite sides of the spectrum socially on the scene. It's about being the clue and about being the guy who rallied. The troops both on and off the field. And that's the. Tom brady dungarees entire career. If you had told me in the middle of the season when the chicago bears played tampa bay and brady forgot what down it was if you had told me then that he would take that buccaneers team to the super bowl. I would have laughed in your face. There is no way that team was a super bowl team. It blows my mind that they are in the super bowl. It really does I don't necessarily agree with that when you look at the roster on paper it the star power on offense fucking near teen is incredible. It's like an average they can go at least three deep with guys that you would want to see on your team especially wide receiver. Mike evans chris. Godwin like you said. Scotty miller johnson antonio brown all guys that are quality receivers on groggy cameron brain. Oj before got hurt. Running back with shawn mccoy. Ronald jones wonders for net. All good running back. It's incredible incredible but they aren't saying is then they were not playing. I'll play the team but the defense is also come along as well which is very important. Because i feel like this year's defense lotta guys who do for years ago would have been absolute superstar in this defense because that's where they were in the nfl. Donald ensues nearly what it used to jason pierre paul jake paul doughty's to david's nowadays and the secondary senate garbage and that's why i think it seems they're going to win. That's why terry kill almost caught. Almost racked up three hundred receiving yards against someone. They played earlier so But no it's been about both units getting getting together. The defense is pretty bad in the early season for the boxers. While and and i mean yeah. It's just like it's another thing from tom brady. His ability to host teams together regardless of scenario pandemic season novel crowd full workout. You know tom brady had the same schedule. Pretty much for the past twenty years and they have something like pandemic. Come in and kind of screw that up i think that just another testament to his greatness that he he's able to make it to the championship. Choose the super bowl this year. Considering circumstances the kogo and considering his age like i think back to when dad was tom breeding age forty three and no dad no athlete in like football sunday. I mean you laugh about saying this on a bike ride every day. No other i love it but i think back to when dad was forty three which is back when i was in like elementary school. And and you know also that i could never picture him. Being out of football shows that age. I have two parents or age right. I could never picture being football field. So it's incredible to me there just so many different angles so many different aspects. You can look at this from and then we'll still like i can still matter fully head around it speaking of dad. Happy fifty fifth birthday to jason commander senior. Your dad yeah. He he went. We talk to somebody who knows tom. Brady better than you. And i from afar someone who knew the high school kid that ended up going to michigan. He was part of the recruiting staff at the big house. What do you say good. Coach bobby morrison former michigan assistant coach from one thousand nine hundred seventy two thousand and two and the recruiting coordinator from ninety six to zero two as well at the big house. I think he knows something about the recruiting of tom. Brady coach good morning. Thank you for joining the podcast. How are you. i'm doing great. Thank you pay. Thanks for the call atmosphere. Oh you too so on the eve of another. Tom brady super bowl. It must just. I tell me what goes through your head when you think about the sixteen year old kid that you knew back then and now forty something. Year old man making history on the football field in the national football league. Well you know. I i think about the recruiting of tom. But you know really. You think the tom brady i think of It's kind of personal with me in that. I had my last few years at michigan. I had bladder cancer. And and my son drove. Who's in captain in the navy and hawaii flew washington and drove up here and spend time with me while i was going through the a neo bladders what i have put in. They took my Slider out and i just wanted to do something for him and he has a little daughter. Peyton and i asked Tom he would get my granddaughter football and he signed the foot tall from one of the super bowls and send it to her and that means so much to me. Of course i had to tell her. She was out in the yard playing with isis. Peyton you don't play with that ball you put it away. You don't touch it because one day is going to be worth gazillions as but anyhow. That's what when. I think tom brady. I think that part of the brady but know the recruiting of them was a whole different story. But he's one of the most genuine people that i've ever met in my life tat. Tell us about the recruiting of him. Tell you know it's not the same. It's you know. There's the ratings are now are so different and so accessible with all the social media and all the websites. What was it like back then with this quarterback from california. Well at that time i was Jerry muller was the head coach and bo had retired and ramona's head coach and My recruiting area was the east coast. So i had Maryland dc jersey. All the way up these coast and down the east coast. And i had this quarterback from maryland which recruiting by the name of bobby stable house. Who at that time. They didn't have five stars and four stars three stars and all that stuff just like you said but the biggest thing that they had was. You've made a usa today all american team. I mean that's all it was and then they'd have the players the year in the states and stuff like that and bobby. Sable house was ranked the number one player in the country. And so i'm recruiting him in maryland. That was my area and a thursday night after practice. Moment when i got the private plane we flew to. Maryland was sat down and bobby houses home his mom and dad who originally from cincinnati so had a affiliation with being around michigan. It was Let great evening. And they're great people and you know they didn't leave anything They wanted him to come to michigan. And bobby said well. I talked to steve spurrier florida and calmest him. That i would at least visit this coming weekend. And this was a thursday night and then i will call you on sunday night. And we'll confirmed about becomes the michigan and so you know mo- and i felt good going back on the plane and like everything was good. He called me on sunday night and said Coach i've decided. I'm gonna play for steve spurrier fordham thought. Oh my goodness well you don't recruits not. Like you have an abundance of quarterbacks. I mean you're not working ten guys to get one you know you're we had all of our money throwing them the money by saying that but we had all our marbles in that pocket say loss because we thought we were going to get him and he called on sunday night and i told mo- most sold the next morning where to staff getting most of first thing he says. Well we lost sabe. Watts what are we gonna do. So everybody's just sixteen or fifteen or sixteen. There were sitting around the table. And billy harris rosen. Put his hand up in the back. And says i've got this kid in california that i think is pretty good. I don't he's recruited you know by the west coast schools. But i think we might have a shot at it. Well what's his name his. Name's tom brady. How shows we we. That's when we really pick up steam and started recruiting. Tom brady really hard. The interesting thing about the whole thing is sable house and i have kept in contact. I don't know whether stable house and brady help. 'cause they really never came into contact but sable house went to florida never played transferred to maryland and he laughs about this. Can you imagine if you got me said assam brady off to maryland. Richard to maryland. Never play put never played a down of football. Graduated from Maryland and he is in in sable house films and he's producing films so i chat with him and he laughed. We laugh about it all the time he said. Can you imagine how to come to michigan. You wouldn't have gotten tom. Brady unbelievable unbelievable. isn't it. it really is and and the thing about it. Is you know i don't. I'm sure tommy knows gonna years because that year Sable house was the number one quarterback in the country. So i'm sure tommy knows that much about it and i'm sure i know where tommy took the whole story. I'm sure yes. I'm sure he has just a quick question for clarification. Before i got into my real question so i feel like we never hear about tom. Brady's high school football players like very well recur with he like a blue chip recruit. Well you know. I know you went to san mateo. High school he he and you know the other thing is. He has one of the greatest family his mom and dad. I mean they're just unbelievable people but Yeah he was recruited. Pretty heavily on the west coast. Macau's recruiting them because he was kind of in their I don't remember who else. But i know cal- one of the big schools was recruiting back to our conversation with former michigan assistant coach. Bobby morrison i have you ever dealt with bunions. I have it. Got to the point that i couldn't even wear any shoes without having shooting pain even at night. I couldn't even pull the covers over my foot. It hurt so bad. It didn't matter if i was wearing slippers or boots gym shoes working out or heels for a night out. The pain was intolerable. I finally decided to do something about it. That's when i heard about foot ipad dietary and their exclusive procedure. The sklar on your next to me it. Has you on your feet the day after surgery are you kidding. I had to see it to believe it and you know what they were right. Surgery was easy. I am so glad i did it. I walked out of surgery in a boot. No cast no crutches walking the same day and you can be back in a gym shoe in two weeks when i look at my foot now. There's no visual scar. And best of all. I m pain free so ladies and guys don't walk around in pain like i did for years visit foot. I dot com and now back to our conversation with coach morrison. So here's here's my question. I feel like with. And i've been lucky enough to be in the presence of tom brady but what i feel like the or Around the greatest players. And i guess even the greatest people in history and in our generations are like they'd just carry themselves differently. They just go about doing things differently. It's just like everything they do. You know like that was just classic. Tom brady thing to do. Was there any point at michigan where you got any sort of sense like okay. This guy is going to be like really special like not just like a great college quarterback or not just having a chance to contribute in the nfl. like did you ever have like the slide. It and i mean that's why the sense in college and michigan that he was going to be at least a pro quarterback. Well i mean. I i i dealt with him because i was coaching offensive tackles and tight ends and so i would see him every day practice But you know we have some. I mean drew handsome missouri at the same time that he was user. He was the number one rated quarterback in the country when he came out. And so you know. I but as the biggest thing i would say jayson northern anything is as a person. I have never. I would never question if you knew was a person okay. I don't know whether that answers your question. No no no it definitely. It definitely does 'cause like for me. I've never personally met anybody that you could consider like the great like one of the greatest athletes our generation. You know so. I always wondered what there's people are like because the way that people talk about them you just assume that they're so much different than just everyday people. Okay they are really. I mean he is. I mean he. I mean he has time for anybody any time. He's he's like. I said he's the most genuine person i've ever met in my life. I don't know what else i could say as somebody who recruited tom brady. I'm sure you've had this question a million times. I'm going to ask it anyway. I wanna hear for myself. What about his game in college immediately translated so well to the nfl. I would say it would probably be is the mental part of it. I mean the preparation part of this. Study you know. He just was. He was just into it all the time. I mean if he threw up the wrong foot or did this or is very critical themselves and and You know he wouldn't make the mistake again. You know you made a mistake going to make it again. But he was. He was his biggest critic. I mean regardless of coaches or anything else it was it was he himself. The judge himself was so critical themselves. I mean if he can't be. I mean he's really pretty hard on himself to be honest with you when you know. I've seen people that you know you throw an interception or something like that and you think. Oh there's the next play and stuff like that but he's pretty pretty tough on it so i think that's probably one of the biggest things coach that reminds me of an interview. I saw him. I wanna see it was like on sixty minutes or something like that. And where he talked about the the michigan the guy in the the Athletic department michigan that he started seeking out for sports type of help harden okay. Is it true that at one point that he was so down on himself i mean he was battling. He watched brian greasy greasy leaves. He's in a battle. Drew henson was a true that at one point that he he considered transferring out of michigan. And then he really kind of Sought the help of greg harden has with the sports psychology of being a better athlete. Well i think you know The biggest you know. I think he had a hard time with because he worked so hard and then drew hints. And you know he was labeled like sable house through hinson was he is the number one guy in the whole country so now this kid comes in and here i am. I have you know and and it was a pretty fierce competition. Henson wasn't chopped liver. I mean he was pretty good and so you know and the other thing is he probably felt like drew. Henson was ten miles from ann arbor and he's from san mateo california and so you know he might have had some feelings of blah but you know what just between i mean i never had a doubt in my mind that it was going to be him because he just was such a competitor and he wouldn't you wouldn't leave anything unturned. Thank goodness you. What greg hardened because i can't imagine what have been like all right. I'm gonna give you a little quiz here coach. Oh no you can't make you can't make you can't make very tough now. No i think you're going to know the answer to this I don't even know half of these people mall ninety percent. So what do these guys. All have in common chad. Pennington giovanni kurmangazy. Chris redman t martin mark bolger spurgeon win. What do they all have in common with tom. Brady well i mean i don't. I don't know some of those names. I'm guessing they were quarterbacks. They were all quarterbacks taken ahead of him in the two thousand drought. Yeah oh my little something chat chat manson. Yeah for marshall. Yeah i mean. I yeah so none of merck anyhow right i mean giovanni karmazin is that guy. I thought it was gonna be a pizza. So what is it about when these guys commodity college and the transferred to the nfl. Is it the combine is it. What is it that that that teams are missing. Do they rely too much on numbers on stats. And what is it. That they're missing that a guy. Tom brady didn't in my opinion. You're up peggy. You hit it right on the ones that i mean they go and everything is measurement. Everything's forty yard dash time. What does he do the shuttle. And i mean what's his. What's his weight You know and tom brady would not in any of those. Probably wouldn't test very well right. You know but you. They haven't tested inside is in between his ears. I mean that's where that guy has the advantage over everybody in my opinion so hard to do so hard i mean we just how do you measure heart. And how do you measure your brain and we because of your strength of arm. You looked at physical glory. Look at all all those guys would test much higher than would but as long as you can't measure guys heart tell what he's thinking you know you can't be right now yeah i just. It's it's really easy to say. Now that you know he has no heart and he had no determination bought. When like i try to put myself in like that that time that we could combine and to think like today. Because the combine picture of tom brady so in this. Because it's it's just an awful picture of the eventual greatest quarterback behind in our sport. You know which leads into my question. Obviously he was mentally mentally set to be one of the greats and his termination is competitiveness etc was is really what drove him but physically especially considering you know how he didn't exactly match up to the other prospects is. Did you guys have. And i know it wasn't. It's not really your job as a college recruiter. you're not thinking about putting guys to the nfl. You're thinking about putting guys on the team. That's gonna win a championship in their four years of college. But did you guys have any expectations of him at the pro level because all numbers and particularly wise. It didn't heed my team was really going to translate to being a pro quarterback. Well i mean. I don't You know none of those things None of those signs showed that he would be a pro quarterback. But i mean i don't know how to serve as long as you can't measure what's the guy's heart within a guys between the on on his shoulders you know or determination irs drivers you know they they're never gonna be right. He's going to be the one guy for for sure. At least one guy that's gonna say discounting businesses a bunch of crap because really and that's why i think they try to learn as much as they can and all that stuff about a guy but physically he doesn't you know not a but you know you don't measure a guy physically measure mother you know. But that's all they think about i. I don't think i ever thought you know. I don't really look at it that much. We didn't we didn't have any uh gir- back a little bit while i was you know or and i don't know whether we had any other guys who played Pro football at quarterback you for him. I don't remember that. Well i was. I wasn't there when harbaugh was there. He left before. I got here So i don't really have an answer. The question i mean. I mean other than you know. You can't measure a guy from his physical attributes coach before we let you go. I'm just curious Any any of the college quarterbacks that will be coming out this year. Because we're all doing our homework here in chicago as to the next strikeout a quarterback for the bears I'm just kidding Who do you like. Which which quarterbacks do you think do you like going on to the next level I i well. I think that I can't remember his name. But the kid from georgia. I really liked him. I mean he's done everything. He's one and I just think of all the ones. I like. Although i i like the kid in alabama i mean. He's kind of a kid. That reminds you a little bit of tom. Brady i mean the other guys have all the justice fields and the kid of georgia have all the physical attributes and stuff like that but back. Joe is mack jones. I think yeah. I think he's you know he'd probably will he. Probably my guess says he probably won't test very well either but he's pretty pretty good and love. No it's interesting i i. I kind of liked him to to be honest. I love it. I hope i well. We can only hope here in chicago. That at some point. We're able to talk about a franchise quarterback in our lifetime coach morrison. Thank you so much for taking the time to join us on the podcast. We know who. You're going to be rooting for on sunday in the super bowl. Bb for sure. You gotta thanks coach. Have a great weekend. You appreciate jason. What did you think of coach. morrison fascinating. How i mean. Nobody really knew at michigan. At the time. The tom brady was gonna amount to anything professional football more or less a pro bowler more or less the greatest quarterback of our generation. So that was very eye-opening crazy to me And i i love. How kurtz morrison wasn't one of those guys who try to act like like back twenty years ago like he knew that he was so great and because they're all i almost guarantee you. There are people that will try to their relationships and experiences of tom brady into that she was going after. Bobby's sable house. I just i love how raw and authentic and just straight up honest coach morrison's and putting his his experiences. Were and this. It's incredible because as i said. I've never been around somebody who's regarded as one of the greatest in their sport. Always wondered just simply whether those people like and can happen much more understanding of it after talks into that. All right jason. What's your your predictions. So i'm going to fire that bears but first reaction right here. I think that this does not have anything to do with my quarterback predictions so yes. I can double down on the bears predictions even though as we learned with the last podcast going through all my predictions. And i need to do better job at thinking about not funding. Look an idiot but without further ado. Here's my first. I'm going to say the bears are not going to trade up in the first round draft. Please lord please trade off. I i just. I don't want to trade out for another quarterback be trevor lawrence which you can never showed up retirement remorse. Because he's going number one. I don't trust the idea of trading up for another quarterback. I just think that would be so shallow for the front office to do that after they did. It was true but failed so freaking miserably. They were to trade. Take a quarterback at watford house to me is that they walked on was this year and how they barely got brought back after the season. I think that it would be unbelievably. Shallow and trade up quarterback could be funny that. I don't think he's going to happen. What what if. What if it was a package at a three team deal and they ended up with aaron rodgers. Okay we'll move on. Go on your next one. Okay so i am going to say right now that gonzaga baylor in college basketball and this goes right back to. The baylor aren't gonna lose games up until the tournament we're wanted to pass over. There always good that you're especially good teams that they're playing especially not as good. I don't think that they're gonna lose between now and then and baylor. My goodness baylor is probably best. Power conference teams. That i've seen since kentucky nearly went forty. You know several years ago. So i'm gonna say that both baylor gonzaga don't lose games throughout the regular season. Obviously at least one of them has always tournament would be kersey both from loss. But that's not tradition. They're not too bold but the prediction points. We inevitably go through them again. Okay my final thoughts last year. Tom brady went to the buccaneers before he did radio host. Dan patrick had revealed that one of the teams that brady was actually considering was the chicago bears. Great city with an airport. That could allow you to get anywhere quickly. That was important for his wife. Who is a supermodel and might be working on either the east or the west coast but i think that was just a fleeting thought. No one will ever know what the bears did or did not do to try and attract the greatest quarterback of all time all right. This may not be fair but we know the bears office. And they're all the failed quarterbacks that they have they have and they have not You know a picked or signed right so we all know about ryan pace strike three. He went from mike glennon. Mitch trubisky to nick foles. Who knows what's going to happen on strike for but back in two thousand. The bears weren't the only ones that did not take tom. Brady as we all know In two thousand in that draft their first round pick was bryner lacquer hall of famer then it was mike brown then it was dustin lyman. Then dez white reggie austin and they even drafted kicker paul at injure in the sixth round fifteen picks before tom brady. So just remember though. The bears are not the only ones who passed on the greatest of all time. Thirty one other teams bypassed brady selecting one hundred and ninety eight players ahead of the patriots before new england took a flyer on him in the sixth round. Just think about that when you hear. Nfl commissioner roger goodell draft as say with the twentieth overall. Pick in the two thousand and twenty one nfl draft. The chicago bears select and we can only hope it will be the next tom. Brady all right. Our thanks as always to adamy offi a new year but the same professional expertise he gives us in guiding the show hey thanks also to aldo. And all the folks at the barroom network. 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The QB Scho Show #22: Draft Fits & The NFC South QB Rooms

Bleeding Green Nation

35:01 min | 2 years ago

The QB Scho Show #22: Draft Fits & The NFC South QB Rooms

"Welcome into the QB SCO show. This is episode twenty two brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding greet nation. I am your host Michael kiss. You can follow my work at bleeding nation dot com. Follow me on Twitter at Mike NFL. That's K I S T. And as always here to break down the quarterbacks across the league coming into the draft as QB one in my heart. He is Marco 'field follow him on Twitter at Moscow field, Mark. How you doing? I'm doing fantastic, my friend. It's a pleasure to be with you live for the Pocono here in Pennsylvania little fairly trip. Little spray break action. It is a well Tom trip unless say with the draft now a week away. It's the perfect time to sort of getaway get to a place where it's kinda tough to be plugged in all the time. But it's probably for the best. I will say the entertainment last night at dinner was faceted. Okay. It was a ninety themed dinner, and we had an old guy. I say, no. North of seventy five planet Casio in the dining hall, and I was telling you guys this on the Twitter DM's, but I do wanna share with a gentle listeners. He went from nothing else matters Attala into the sound of silence into the game of thrones. The got rain it was like a toward the force from this guy on his little Cassie. I was just I was blown away. So fantastic time greats be with you quick historical note on this day in history. We're recording this April eighteen we had the great San Francisco. Fire nineteen o six that kind of took that city to its knees. Topple build all that kind of crazy stuff. We also had the bombing in Beirut nineteen Eighty-three power William does they settled on horseback. This day in seventeen seventy five to warn of the attack the British come in the British common that sort of the way to of course, patriots day New England in the Boston area. One of the best days in the Boston area. The deliberate on. Until nineteen forty two. And actually, we are living some history today, the lot awaited Mullah report dropped, and if you want some information on that you can have to go to show because we are certainly not gonna wait into that on this one to say that definitely. Yeah. I think mock drafts are more popular than politics as somebody that follows both. What's worse? Do you think of this draft Twitter politics ominous because I needed to both? They're both. They're pretty bad. I would say politics Twitter is just a vicious place to be I draft Twitter. You can at least have some conversation sometimes with some people. I think there are more the ratio has more reasonable people in draft Twitter. I would guess I it's so much draft Twitter. I think it's the people that annoy me the most are the ones that just jump in your mentions with no intention to debate or put out a good point. And they just like come to insult you like just the most. Insecure people on a planet in my opinion. Like, the people at see a Rankin of say Hollywood prowl this embarrassing, for example. Yeah. And I just had someone comment on my wide receiver rankings and say, what is this guy? Just doing this reviews. Like what have us pay on Twitter? I don't I don't understand the correlation. There those checks. I haven't get on Twitter. Check yet. Yeah. I need my Twitter checks. Maybe if I get verified give you some Twitter checks is that how that works. Well, look, speaking of mock dress not being popular as we go into this NFL draft for a week away. Do you have any final thoughts on this QB class before we talk about the main topic of the show, which is going to be the NFC south quarterback rooms run the league last time. We did the NFC east. Maybe I can kick start your brain ball by citing the latest mock by Daniel, Jeremiah this was released. April sixteenth in first off something eagles related. Real quick DJ has the eagles taking Markey's Brown wide receiver from Oklahoma at twenty five overall be the first to say that I don't love the pick. But I wrote a piece. For leading relation dot com. Talking about the sit and how I feel better if they utilized him in the slot more often than he was at Oklahoma, which would insert alleviate some concerns about him not holding up his contact route the route in at the catch point some stats at expand on that. To what your whistle before you go read the article Brown only ran twenty three percent of his routes from the slot last year, but on those eighty five snaps he had forty percent of his targets. Forty three percent of his receptions, forty eight percent of his yards. Eight of his ten touchdowns came from the slot. A QB rating of one forty eight point to win targeted. And and this is boxers seven point four five yards per route run from the slot more than two full yards than second-place crazy officiant when they moved them inside. And I would hope if if the eagles to draft him that's where we'd see most of his snaps, obviously that would be a referendum on Nelson Agla of Houma fan. But he's unless your contract in my personal feelings aren't taking into account in the war room. Even though we know how. How eve and Joe Douglas are avid listeners of the feet. Okay. Mark. I got you here. So let's talk quarterbacks at number one overall. Daniel Jeremiah has the cardinals taking collar Murray from Oklahoma, no shock there at number six, and this is the drain. It's only better if they package six and seventeen trade up. He has the giants taking Daniel Jones from Duke a plus on that DJ, I think the big surprise. But not really because I talked about this with the foles market before he officially walked in free agency. But at eleven overall the Bengals take Dwayne Haskins of Ohio State and DJ had one more bullet left in the chamber this one spicy number thirty Green Bay Packers. Drew lock from Missouri is the pick. Which man, oh, man, Mark. I cannot wait to see the thirty for thirty on that quarterback room fifteen years from now let's deal with that one. I because it's not outside the realm of awesome -bility the Packers go quarterback and the Joe Locke there if he falls because they. Met with him. And the interesting thing is there's an argument to be made of the Packers should be thinking quarterback. And I know that sounds almost sacrilegious, right? It's Aaron Rodgers. It's the one of the most talented quarterbacks the game right now. But if you look at recent production, ROY Moore, accurately lack thereof. There's a case. Scott barrett. Does work over pro football, focus. He looked at depth adjusted completion percentage something by by Klay back in two thousand thirteen kinda strips away. Throwaways batted asses plays with quarterback was hit the throw at a treats drops as completion. So they just the completion percentage. And then what they do is then examined that contrast with expected completion percentage by death. For example, last year, the guy that was the best in this drew Brees at completion percentage, this adjusted completion percentage of eighty three percent against the expected completion percentage again adjusted sale of seventy five percent, which is an eight percent jump. Biggest in the league. Now Aaron Rodgers his adjusted. Present you with seventy four point four against the expected of seventy three point two above just one point to present. I is not doing that much to really create stuff who is on par with that. Joe flacco James Winston, like not exactly good competent, and that when you sort of expanded a bit when you look at Rogers and his career in this category in this metric and two thousand eight Secondly to nine third two thousand ten third two thousand eleven I two thousand twelve third two thousand thirteen I two thousand fourteen fifth at then two thousand fifteen twenty fifth then fifteenth eighth twenty-second lash chain. Now, it's just one stat. But everybody's been sort of success. Look Mike McCarthy offense at stale etcetera etcetera, etcetera, maybe so and maybe two thousand fifteen on we've seen some of that bear out in these numbers. But what if it isn't? And they've got the floor in there. They're expected to be you know, this better offense. They do some more stuff spreading. Out more of the Sean McVay stuff. What if it doesn't click my? Yeah. At that. You wonder two years our year from now while would you now? And so if you've got this thought in the back of your mind as as an organization as a front office that maybe Rogers as best as armed behind him. And that there's a little bit more to the she's of the client as opposed to Mike McCarthy's off could stale. If lock is there thirty draft the hedge you've got two first round picks, you could address tight under another needed twelve. And then you just protect yourself because we all know if your year late on replacing your quarterback you behind schedule you might face a lost season and some organization some GM some front office people head coaches don't get an off year to buy themselves time. There's maybe one of his league Bill bell, Jack. And even he would tell you you gotta be you had as evidenced by the fact that they've drafted nine quarterback since Brady they've grafted Garoppolo in fourteen percent and sixteen I can guarantee they're going to draft a quarterback in this one. What do you think your personal opinion of the? Of Aaron Rodgers. If you had to bet would you say that this was more to have to do with the offense being stale and the friction between Rogers and McCarthy, and obviously there's the Bleacher report article about his leadership and all that stuff. But you had to bet would you would you say it's because the offense was stale in which expectancy better from Rogers this year sitting here right now, I would place my money on it's going to be a better offense. They're going to spread out a bit Rogers shoved new way rather the same label Cassatt fifteen years, and so he's going to get closer to those earlier decades earlier years we were talking about, but that's sitting here right now. You know, it's easy to make that case. It's a lot harder to make that case related to say we for five weeks six, and he's still sort of middle of the pack quarterback in terms of production. I would bet my money now that he's going to get back to full, but you can't wait. If you're always ation, you can't run that risk. Now, maybe lock comes off the board at you know, fifteen or something to wash for example in this scenario. They don't have to make that decision because I don't think dip it will Greer at thirty as much as I might like him. I think that would go in a different direction. And so maybe they go more laying around development a quarterback. But I think rebate is the probably wants to consider in quarterback at some point in this raft. Did you look around who they have to have a high gem to shown Kaiser who it seems like he might have been sort of engineered at the beginning of his career under Hugh Jackson. Just put it that way. Not physically injured perhaps mentally injured, then Timbo, and I gotta ask you who is Tim Boyle, this person is I had to look I still. Competing just nothing for me. So they still have a lot of options behind him. Anyway. So they probably want to address quarterback even if it's if more of a day three Jared Steadham Gardner, Mitch Taipei when I think they want to do it in this draft. Just as a hedge just in case, if that's interesting, and I think Tim boils character on deadwood that he was running with share on thrones. And he got his eyebrows melted off. So what we're gonna do today now that we've dealt with any anything else on the mock the alike the fit with Haskins eleven Cincinnati, Anthony. That's that's fantastic. They've got the offense of minded head coach let them get his quarterback. You've tapped out with Anton, I think Mari is much as some people are wavered on that. I think that's more negotiate employ. Look we're getting close to draft time. Maybe we're not sold Amari. You're gonna make us a better off Rosa type situation. So I still expect Mario wanna one then as Daniel Jones at sex, buddy. And if that happens. Switzer will be so much fun for the rest of the first round. If they do at six if like you said package six seventeen to go up and get him. Like, look if he's your talk quarterback or as your number two guy after Mari and you still want to address quarterback. I'm find the dressing quarterback in this draft. I've written I've set a multiple occasions. I think the giants have to a man Daniel to six I just don't know if it should be me. I wouldn't have the stones for it. I wouldn't have. I would let's put it this way, you know, him at six or seventeen or Greer thirty six or on down the line. I would much rather if the draft sort of fell away lock is there. I mean should Jones there at six whatever Jones there and some team whatever I would much rather have career thirty or thirty seven or ninety six Jones at six seventeen. I definitely agree with that. And then you throw in the possibility of trading up for him. I am just a static about what the giants are going to do in this trap moving on from the draft. Let's let's. To the main topic of the show, which is analyzing the quarterback rooms around the NFC south like I said earlier in this series. We did the NFC east quarterback. So he talks we talk some back and so on and so forth, but we're going to go around the league with this throughout the offseason to bring his content. Take a look at some of these teams I up and you wrote about this for pro football weekly. You can go check that out throw the link in the show description. They Atlanta Falcons you have here that since drafting Matt Ryan in the first round of the two thousand and eight NFL draft the falcons have drafted one. Yes. One quarterback, Shaun Renfrew seventh-round two thousand thirteen barely even counts as a selection. So when you look at what they have at quarterback with Matt Ryan who obviously starting caliber player behind him. I can't believe match is still in the league. I had no idea. And then what what else do you have going on in that room? What do you suggest raker the Kirk Ben Kurt could are you really gonna roll Kirk beggared as your quarterback in the future? And I'm say. And I'm going to say that like one quarterbacks thousand blew my by. That's crazy. I had to triple check that. And yes, they had Chris Redman in place already when they drafted Ryan. They had Shaw been for two different stints via free agency. And so I guess you could say that. Yeah. They had a viable backup object. But and this league you still still see teams like look to address at least backup quarterback every so often at again doing patriots nine quarterbacks drafted since Brady, and I'm not talking just a bunch of seven guys. Garoppolo bre said Ryan Mallett who they drafted in the third believe, and he was getting some first round love. And so it's not like they were just like, oh, it's just throwing some draft picks. We get some Brady Brady guy. They were always looking to upgrade at least behind him. And I think teams have to do that this idea that you roll with your starter. You don't worry about the back of position because the star goes down. Well, your seasons loss. Anyway, I think that's a loser mentality. I think you've gotta. Go to deepen every position quarterback, especially and you've gotta have a viable guy behind your star in. So maybe mad job and sort of ideal situation, not an any injuries that ideal situation but say Matt Ryan roles ankle and kid go for two weeks shock, it probably keep you afloat. But if it goes a C L on you. He's got get ten fifteen games of high quality play bankers are neither. So I think you got to start thinking about upgraded the backup spot and shabas almost forty like how much more does he have the tank Z, the impetus which is tell you a little backer the evidence for this entire series was compensation. I have in that Williamson when we were going through some quarterback Landon spots. We got the some of the teams in the NFC south look there to teams of this division that have the worst backup situations in the league like heads down. And Atlanta is as he said, and I agree with them. That does want data upgrade this backups because banker Shaab nuts. Not working for me. So who fits that offense? As far as maybe a day three guy that you could get the obviously, I don't think they would go day to when you have Matt Ryan in the building. But who is somebody that you would develop behind Matt Ryan Jerry student kinda makes sense. Medically for five might be a little richer him. You know, he's still there at eighty. That's their picking third route. I think that makes sense. I don't know if you just want to teen. And if you get beyond him if it's more of a day three guy tie Jackson. You know? I think it makes sense Dirk coming back. He's over downfield corio type guy wants somebody that can go downfield still when you get into the weeds of that Auburn stuff usually runs air some air coryell concepts. And that's what he looks at his best. I always retiring Jackson, maybe joy Tambo if you wanna get really deep into this draft. He might make some sense. I'm not sure about Finley the I mean, I think Philly's bore a west coast are parks type of guy, but I stood him Jackson. Maybe Tamba if you get so late into day three what makes sense for them. So those are some names to watts for the Atlanta Falcons as we go through the draft. And when we come back here on the cubes go show episode twenty two here on bleeding green nation. We're going to be talking about the other three teams in the NFC south and giving. Meisters advice for the Carolina Panthers lions saints in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That's up next here on the key piece. Coach show. Hello. I'm Spencer hall from Espy nation. And I wanna tell you about my new show. It seemed smart. It seems mart as show about people doing things that for some reason or another seem smart at the time. Those things might include doing a little cocaine driving a bike up mountain or I don't know maybe racing one hundred miles per hour across the country in the middle of the night with no one's permission or even stealing a bat from an empire is room in a major league baseball park, check it out. And if you like it Tele friend, I'm Spencer hall, don't do anything smart. And we are back on the QB Scotia. Let's go Carolina Panthers next here on this NFC, south roundup. Cam Newton what's going on. With is he gonna play this year? There's all types of confusion as far as what his situation is. He's trying to recover from surgery behind him. You have literally. No when you have Taylor Hanneke and Kyle Allen. And I don't know if the Panthers are in a situation to move up in the draft in get themselves quarterback or take one that falls. It's a weird situation for the Panthers. And I think this is going to be very very ugly season for them. If can isn't fully recovered. We saw him throughout last year, and the drop off was very noticeable. You know from I forget the exact weeks, but I remember when I was scouting him for the eagles game with them. I started to see him really have to start to load up to throw the ball downfield. And it got progressively worse at an accelerated pace route the season. He said he couldn't even throw the ball. Twenty yards in the air. I mean, he was really loaded that sucker up to get it like ten yards. So how do you see this Carolina Panthers situation? What's your advice? I kind of had an inkling Newton season was done halftime of their game. I think it gets Baltimore near midfield. It was a hail Mary situation. They pulled him right for Taylor hydride whose arm straight was a huge question when he was coming out of old, and I liked how to I'd like to come out. And he was like one of the first years he's doing this. I was it was it was a trick brides pro the street and Williams, and it was like forty three Radi. And then Ota minute city, all the water down doubted door for ages. Tell me like do do not go to that. It is going to be rigid. So I was like forget it. I don't need to see this. But I liked how to come out onto the field for hail Mary situation taking Cam Newton off because he couldn't make the throw you're in a bad situation. At might he checked down on the throat checked out it worked. Just they were expecting the hell marriage. So that took an easy throw out of the backfield to actually Greg Olson was just we out into the flat. Dro- the field goal to get three points before the half so worked out, but it was just a straight situation. This is a bad that that sort of circus Carolina because Newton. Yeah, he took the month off from recreational activities. He says he's going to be ready to go. You need a viable backup option. That is one of these guys behind them heineke is one start threw three picks, and he was hurt. And so they brought a Kyle Hallin and everybody in like dynasty Twitter is going nuts week seventeen. When he threw two touchdowns gives the saints who basically had price watch Rossler Mitch Levinson there started safeties in that game. And so I I don't think he could Bank too much how out so probably sixteen you have to go off of line or forty seventy probably go on the other position that you haven't addressed yet. I think it's seventy eight you have to give serious consideration to Tari Jackson house there. I perfect for what they wanna do. And yes, there are some similarities between the way. He knew play the game. They both rely a lot on torque and upper body strength and both have impressive arm salad. They're both good vertical passes. We know north Turner who basically has this like spread Korea-type office, which I think is a great fit for Tyree Jackson. And so I think you have to a lot of consideration to him at seventy eight maybe wanna one there Compaq in the third round. I don't think the wait until day three. I think you have to get a quarterback on day to carry Taibbi Jackson's the best fit schematics and play style. Four them. Some of the other guys stood him and later the draft to Tambo might fit 'cause the downfield passan that's going to be a part of their offense. But I think if they come out of this time Jackson feel a little bit better about what they're doing behind. Cam newton. We're going to get Cam Newton the ship expect him to be healthy for which is not guaranteed that. Yeah. We've talked a lot about Jackson our concerns about him. And also what we like about him. I tol dude. But I agree as far as the stylistic similarities. I mean, they're both pocket passers. It's interesting. Cam Newton gets this label as a mobile quarterback. When in fact, he's the most stationary quarterbacks in the league. And I found that through my own charting of his launch points next stats backs that up all the analytics back that up trust tied. Like rock back there. You could stand tall the bucket, and you're lifting short dudes off. He doesn't have the athletes of the he and Jackson bring to the table there. Like nice plan C type fence. Yeah. But these are two big dudes that like will just shrug people onto the pocket, and yeah, you're launched what analysis on last year was amazing stuff. People going to check out the God in have to move unless he absolutely absolutely east too. So yeah, I love the Tari Jackson pick there at seventy eight. I think that makes a ton of sense. Let's go to the New Orleans Saints and see what they got going in their quarterback from. They got drew Brees tasting hill. Teddy Bridgewater J T Barrett. I mean that looks like a pretty healthy room tastes hill. Obviously is they're doing all type of guy, but he'll come in throw ball every now and then this jump passes. They'll throw some screens to them they'll run option with them. They'll do all types of crazy stuff. I mean against the eagles. He sealed Malcolm Jenkins from a nasty split on a block. That's that sprang run. So he is they're doing all type that can also throw a little bit. And then you have teddy back. Oh, I mean, this seems like one of the better situations, especially in this division. Yeah. This is the best. This veggie because you've got your elite starter drew Brees. You've got the Arab parents the transition plan in place because they bring back. Teddy Bridgewater who had a better offer in hand for Miami. You've got a practice. What guy GT Barrett who knows what he can develop into. And the look taste hell is probably not going to become a fulltime quarterback. He's approaching his thirties that windows probably closing. But in today's league, you could do a lot of with them. So the only concern they have is this Bank is coming my friend. Just that breeze contract situation is spiraling out of control. We talked about this last week, but they just restructured him his cap is deal for twenty twenty becomes voidable of the of this league year that was done so spread out the cabin locations on his current deal and under the restructure if he doesn't even play for them. Next year is still a twenty million dollar cabinet and money is going to be bad for them. But they it's given them this window would they've got Kamara. Before they're going to have to pay him Thomas before he's getting big deal. And so they can sort of approaches now we can win now and eventually will worry about the money later. You know, the cap is just construct like that. But as far as the rostered quarterbacks they're sitting pretty there have to worry about quarterback probably for the next two or three drafts. Mark in. What week does everyone say that drew Brees is cooked again because I've been seeing this going back to two thousand and thirteen and someone always pops up early in the year, if he has any kind of struggles how many years do you think he has left? I don't I don't I don't see the drop off with him. I think he just continues to steamroll for at least a couple years. I'd say maybe you've got that bears game at the end of October. I would imagine situation where that bears defense is anything close to what it was last year. Breese struggles a bit in that game. If you're like. No. He's not hit those tight windows. I don't know about this. And he's going to St. roll through the car does that we've after that. Then you're gonna land. So maybe that's tough game. But the bucks they're rebuilding their defense. The Panthers their defense probably question, Mark. I mean by thanksgiving. We'll be back to all he's gonna get you know, looking through the rest of their schedule. Maybe that colts game if they could really rebuild their defense round areas Leonard on December sixteenth baby again. Oh that NC's. The saints are going to be ghetto. You can get those guys would've easy one. And then the role of the titans of the Panthers when they've got not the play for we seventeen. So I feel like every year you might get like or every couple years you might get like one bad breeze game where he's like legitimately banged up. But he's not like the injury report or anything like that. And he has bad game. And everyone loses frickin mine guys amazing end to this at the end of November early December like subserve in life your family because of the holidays drew Brees Tom Brady are cooked. Play time both of those out this let it again, you've made with three bottles of Jack Daniels, and you're just getting through the holidays the best you can. So you mentioned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Let's go to that quarterback room, which is kind of a mess. James Winston really has to show something this year first year with Bruce Arians, they lost while that would say lost our cutter he moved on. They really lost their air raid guy yet lost smokin to the Cleveland Browns, which we talked about it's going to be a Superfund offense. So definitely change in the offense here Bruce Arians with James Winston seems like a good situation for Winston if he is going to finally had that breakout year, we've all been waiting. It's gotta be now. So James Winston Blaine gabbert as a backup. That's whatever. You know? He's replacement little type backup guy Ryan Griffin. Who I partly they love and Joe Callahan. Who knows what happens with him? What do you think about this quarterback room? They're kind of stuck to see what happens this year, right? You know, you hope if you're Tampa Bay that the marriage between Aryans and Winston which should work on paper works, and so your banking. Look, there's no movement on a launch. I'm deal with him. They exercise the fifth year option before last season. This is that year. And so they clearly are in this producer house kind of situation with him. But again schematically areas Winston it should work. But if not I don't think you address it in this class that you'd have to address it in next glass, we decide look. Let lock it for agency. And we'll see what we're gonna get either two or Arberg I've been told they like Griffin they resigned him. And so it's clear that they like and to you deal. So it's clear that they think pretty highly of him at least as a backup Gabbard sort of the I'd say Josh mccown of this situation. He's they're sort of like talk. Jameis Winston through everything that kind of situation Gabar similar to what we've seen some other sort of like veteran guys to help mentor the young quarterback he spent time with Bruce Arians as well as byrant left, which so he knows these offenses. And so he could be that extra set of is it ears. When Winston comes off the field after throwing his fourth pig against the Bengals again, he's don't do that. But here's why you shouldn't in a situation to do that again Callahan. Sort of look everybody loved him. What he was the Packers division three guy lit up one preseason that fourth preseason game. And then he got caught. And so everybody lost their minds. He was just futures reserved guy. I spent three woods to gabardine Griffin. Gabbard the veteran presence Griffin the true backup. If something happens to Winston, and then hopefully wants to producers if not they're looking at tool Herbert or fields of frommer Easson and the score back class if we're gonna start ripping to shreds fifteen days, and I can't wait for that. So Mark out of these quarterbacks in the NFC south, which one is the night king breezes. Probably the night Chang. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, his his for everyone knows it was closing separate together. He's just gonna take prisoners along the way. I mean, if we're going to try to throw comps the rest of this division. I mean Winston is probably you probably go the pie route again bit of you're not quite sure what you're gonna get with him. I think he can't Newton. That's a tough cop. I mean, you could Jamie Lanzarote again. Could have fatal injury here. We're not going to what we're going to get it. Not everybody used to like, not even sure his family, even like some a little bit. Sometimes Panthers fans turn on. That's always fun. Matt Ryan, I'm gonna Giora. Solids dependable not gonna let you down. You know, maybe a bit better than people give him credit for people try to come out of a couple of times. But he keeps coming back into the fighting pits. You know, so he could fight bed. He can go you just people play. I'll see him swooning over Danny and think he's a bit soft. But like he was in the fighting pits. He was gonna I wouldn't over Julio. Good running me. Remaking sort of Julio to Dario com. Right. They're running together talented guy that young gun. Addict that Mark any last words before because I think this is going to be our last show before the NFL draft next week unless we squeeze one on Wednesday, no promises gentle listeners just throwing it out there, always under promise and over deliver. That's correct. What I've told a lot of people in my life. Last thoughts. If we don't get a chance to talk until this. I mean, if data Joe is comes off the board any earlier than seventeen Twitter's going to those mind Br Ripa doesn't get drafted. I'm gonna lose my mind. I think that's probably the best way. I mean, I most excited to see where ripping gets drafted where Jones gets drafted. Where stood him gets drafted. How early Tari Jackson goes. And if there's a dark horse Chee whether it's the Packers. Whether it's maybe the lions the goes reward back earlier than people expect when the chiefs drafted homes. It was kind of like we expect them to maybe get a quarterback in that class. I don't think people saw them going early going up to get Mahomes like it made sense when it happened. But of those. What kind of global quarterback day to make some sense get somebody for outspent but daughter early to give homes coming. Oh. Well, that's an interesting. But it makes sense. I'm curious to see if there's a team that follows that bull team has their guy. But they're like, no, let's go get our next. God have that transition plan in place, the Bengals people thinking that might be the team Detroit might be team to keep an eye on that one. Yeah. That'd be really interesting of Detroit. I can't imagine. What Detroit Lions Twitter would be like if they trap that a quarterback if they went for an era parent early in a draft that would be fascinating to me not Stafford opinions all over the place on it. We talked about Cam Newton like Panthers fans either. Cam Newton is like the greatest quarterback of all time. Or they think he is like absolute trash they wanna trade up, and they wanna get rid of them Stafford the lines fans are just brutal to him for the most part, but you have to last couple years the very bottom heavy draft because they've got eight forty three eighty nine and one. The one eight of the first full rounds, and they've got a fifth to six to seven and it's hard to package those, you know, if they wanted to say get into I don't know if they get back into the first round they want to get into the second route again, the future third or something like that to do it because I don't think those six seven I'll get you that far or, but yeah, isn't seem to watch. And little birdies have told me perhaps the delights might go a quarterback at some point. So just keep in mind. Like, I can't wait for this all to be over with mar-. I can't went to yell at about two. We've already. 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2003 Week 17: Patriots vs Bills

Patriots Dynasty Podcast

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2003 Week 17: Patriots vs Bills

"Love this podcast. Support this show through the cast supporter feature. It's up to you how much you give. And there's no regular commitment. Just click the link in the show description to support now. This is christine brown. And while i have to listen to this podcast as my motherly judy. You have the choice not to my son sometime. Say some naughty things when they're trying to be funny but really just being stupid. You still want to listen. Go right ahead. I am not. Your mother dies podcast. We are in the last week of the two thousand and three regular season patriots hosting the buffalo bills. And i your hosani brown. I'm hosting both my brothers today. Steve how's it going ed. We're almost on one full year. Quarantine almost exactly. Yes because today is the eleventh of march. And i think it happened on the thirteenth. Or how do you. How do you put a date on it. We when schools got shut down. We're on record predicting when it would end right. Yes not too far from one year ago. Nobody correct yeah. I think i was a closes. And i said september of last year. Greg definitely laughed at you. Yes all of you. Emil was on that point too and he laughed the hardest. Both so i win. I guess i just lost less than Also with us is greg brown. See a greg screed. See to andy how you doing bud. Good revenge game. this is what i'm talking about. We're talking last week with our buddy tarik. Who had on about how. If you were to write this is like a tv show or movie people would say. This ending is too predictable. Like if this were friday night lights and that team lost thirty one nothing to open the season and had like all the stuff go on an alaskan season. They played the same team and they won thirty. Nothing it'd be like well a mix it up a sense too. Obvious it's too hollywood. That's why this season is somewhat forgettable. That's season we start. We the bills you know. Then you kind of like the now south there. it's true. Yeah they news was lawyer malloy trade. But that's also part of week. One you know cutting him and the rodney harrison replacements who i love love malloy but it was the correct decision. Yeah ronnie ball out. He was amazing using favorite game from the forgettable. Three season forgetful. Now i remembered more than i expected to in this. Yeah but like. I didn't like know. Put that broncos game to the bowl season yeah. True true game realized this year. Yeah they'll be back later in the dynasty or even the the dolphins overtime game. Yeah the try brown bomb calls game. Colts came right. Willie mcguinness yeah. This has been has been helluva helluva season. Avenue ranking format. Since i don't watch the games. Okay yeah so instead of giving however many trophies. Yup i'm putting them into classifications when you hear my classifications here. I do. I do okay. The first in highest classification is called the title game so the criteria being. Can you describe the game and forwards or less yes. So for instance without last game we watch stephen. How would you describe the last game we watched last week. I love you. Susan the kissing suzy kolber. But you don't remember the game from current is a distinction of so there that actually kind of leads me to my second point. So the next categorisations while i'm calling the thumbnail game. So can you if you put a picture as the thumbnail for like cast. Could you immediately recognize what game. we're talking about. Just from a still shot. The dolphins game dolphins game the intentional safety game Willie mcginest game. That's nail game like running down the field pointing out the next classification hidden gems where it's like a great game that's been lost to the sands of time were it. There's no like one defining play or it's not like a super bowl or You know you can't just be like. Oh yeah rams super bowl. I would put at their super bowl title games. Two thousand and one against the chargers in that brady's first comeback games. Yeah yeah chiefs game. From last year jim. Absolutely and then the next classification is as usual. Nothing nothing remarkable but to like game. Yes pretty much. The bills games get like that. Real and slog fests. That's the last where it's like. Every browns game yeah. A lot of the losses is that a five categories or six. that's five losses with one more. And then just put like all losses one moore's losses losses just assign a lombardi to each different one of those kind of this classification now. Oh yeah we're. I think we could use that game. Six lombardi's game is five lombardi's if it's nice. Yeah which begs the question. What is this game. I was just gonna ask you that i would. You know it's a tough one to pick this. It's not really a thumbnail game you can't you can't really just take still shot and be like yeah. I mean maybe like a a picture of being week. Seventeen thirty one. Nothing that's just gonna clue. You can take a picture of the scoreboard Business as usual because this site stands out is oh yeah. That was a pretty unique game was patriots. Lord is also really hidden gem either because yeah everybody knows it again. Yeah the to the. I almost thirty. It's almost failed almost the title game because you could pay thirty one nothing. Yeah well if you combine it with the first week one then. It's the title game because if you like roll all the highlights together right. It was like oh yeah. The loss suck could bag and then we one is a pretty unique game with. Yeah there almost needs to be first half there'd they shit stop worse than the bill shit. Stop thus i feel like there needs to be one more Gatien below loss which is what the week was where. It's just like shit stopping see. See that almost would classify as a thumbnail game. You think so. Like you. Picture of sam adams returning an interception in buffalo. And i'll go. I know exactly what game you know. That's probably true because there aren't many blowouts in this dynasty. Because i think we decided this that the week one was the worst one right. I think that was their worst worst loss. Yeah it might have been dynasty history. I think so. Yeah it would make sense. Yeah minus thirty one was. The worst has only been four games where they've lost by more than twenty five and moore was in two thousand dollars. Brady's first game where three passes. And then two thousand the dolphins and then the chiefs to open twenty twenty fourteen not open but when they got blown out that was Ron cincinnati so that's a name game to this one the named i'm gonna lump it in with the other. Although was hidden gem to or at least for staff i don't know about a hidden gem. This is thing is it's overshadowed well-known because he can't quite thumbnail. Greg said but there is some highlight plays in this game for sure oh yeah chock-full david givens all over. It has definitely david givens game. This one david gibbons and tedy bruschi probably game balls on each side the side of the ball. you're excuse them on. Brady brady played well but he didn't have to do much. Actually master four touchdown passes no pigs. Afc player of the week through four touchdown passes on two hundred yards though. It wasn't like he was slain all over the habit. This is two thousand and three. That is like six hundred yards modern. Nfl it's true. Also he ran for Twenty something yards twenty two yards three yards when he three yards better numbers and antoine smith. Put up all year not got under yard. Last week russia. They had on the season. But you wanna guess so. Twenty three yards on five carries. You wanna guess where that ranks in. Tom brady rushing games. It's gotta burst. Second no their v v. His most will be two thousand six. You'll rush for thirty one yards against the jaguars Prolific that's all. I know game on ten carries three point one yards a carry the next one two thousand eleven at philadelphia five carries twenty eight yards and then The other two games are once we've already seen apparently two thousand and two against the packers. He rash for twenty six yards and then two dozen to against the jets. He rushed for twenty four yards. They were calling lot more like tom. Brady just get it and be able to run like when the linebacker wasn't there and sometimes they call sneaks on third in six and stuff like that too. Yeah you do have way more aggressively than and this was like my favorite thing that they got away from. I don't know. If this was. Just like charlie weis thing or whatever but they would kind of happened a lot in the the no huddle where you'd see them go five wide receiver and brave. Just get up under center and because the the defense associate out you just run straight up the middle and get five six ten eleven yards getting hurt me. I guess because the almost blew his knee out in this game which i did not remember at all. Yeah thanks to his best buddy lawyer malloy that shit lawrence shades of thousand eight politics on exactly. Yeah except except brady wasn't trying to do it. Yeah i don't remember this. That was It was someone fell on his leg. Dick that who dick enberg right and as he's throwing it like theodore was like boy debris of someone fallen his leg. Dick some risen. He put like leg dick. Like one word as i co- talking about dan. That's what he already know. It's a little freudian slip. Can driftwood brady third. like flies. Need didn't buckle because it's looking dick with support that tripod well. Did you hear what they were saying. After worries like is Think it was theodore zych. All i can say is. I hope tom brady has some loose. Ligaments you've foreshadowing commentary by dad. Speaking of since we're since this is the commutation section of the podcast. I'll have you know. I'm wearing the gift that my brothers i was guessing. Generously got me but i'll have generous as the right word. Christmas present we are sort of obligated. Yes there was a podcast related. Christmas presents that i got this year that i haven't had a chance to wear yet. But it is a number seventy two arizona cardinals jersey. Yes with the last name dear dorf on the back no hall of fame patches on it. I don't know that's a thing. We didn't spare a dime. No this thing. Because i knew andy would only the best for our our brother. Our pal waiting waiting for deer door game to break this out because it didn't feel right otherwise but here. I am rocking the year door. The greatness read. Yeah well it just suits you. You've just your general. Laura yes i will say. This feels like it was built this The sizing is probably dan. Devore size So i like. I like that i get to wear it as address. So i'm wearing this and nothing else just for you boys. So thank you to imagine. i think. Go into like a patriots game where the jersey on. You couldn't pay me enough yards like explainable if you shogo patriots given they're like yeah just a huge fan of the comedy like what the fuck do it of all commentators to your door alive as a fan of dude or if the player anymore ya know commentator exactly. People hate me more competent. Be so confusing for everyone at the stadium. Yeah you're really would. Although to be fair. I don't think i'll ever wear this out in public. This is a public is getting right now. Well maybe we'll make better something. Okay predict the pandemic. maybe maybe we'll give it away. Don't you dare. He would do that to us If it was him dick emberg but they kept calling tedy. Bruschi tedy bruschi. That's eighty days. Ski doesn't bullshit ted bruschi and they that ted bruschi. He plays the sax and he has some sex like these. What do you mean has some sacks. He game an idiot you know. Who's the idiot over. The fuck said that he they The two of them combined not just anti. And if i put all the blame on him but him and dig emberg together they are like the persona vacation of like every shitty commentator point of view or every like just awful like hot take. We're not even hot. They're just like the stupid shit like they were pissy base the entire second half that brady was still in the game because like oh well you know. You don't want yeah. He almost got hers. Was the beginning of the fourth quarter. No it was in the third quarter was a flick coordinator. We know because brady was throwing and dan doodo through shit fail. I can't believe they're out here. Throwing it with tom brady. When i've got the game wrapped up. And they're already gonna make the player. It was a terrible take especially. It's the second brady never comes out. I think it's also and he's got a point that he just like once. He finds a point that he feels strongly about repeats. It over and over and over again. All right dude contact again. Let's move on. How do you actually feel about it. Dan like fuck that. Every play is like validation of oil. Yoga's he got hit on now got hurt. Okay let's just comedy the game here. I can't. I can't believe the bills brought back up before the pay. The bills have been on fucking vacation this entire game. Like the fact that bledsoe even played in this surprised me. Poor drew bledsoe but he did predict loose ligaments being direction. Tom brady would go. Actually have another plus greg. A broken clock is right once. Well it's because he had another great point depends on if you're in military time they're saying David patten is kind of coming on similar to givens right now. So gibbons has a six game couple touchdowns in like a real sweet head fake the end zone on lawyer and a toe tap he had a touchdown to he was out in this game. And they're saying oh he's coming onto the seventh round pick. Whatever just like dion was two thousand one shot with patent in two thousand one repack the coming out of nowhere from the arena league that year. But i don't think patent came on at the end of the season though like he turned up late that year like as a touchdown catch in the afc championship game in super bowl in yellow. Isn't it like week five. Where you had a pass. Catch and run for a touchdown like he was on kind of all year. True also another point for here. I wrote on this quote. He throws compliments around like manhole covers. That's good that is pretty good. Hope heavy manhole covers already. Yeah you don't just go throwing those around well. You don't paint play though the they put in the bills. Radio announcer guy. Yes for a long time and now it's like well can we just listen to this. Did we just keep it here. That's how you as a blow to like. Oh well look we've got here. Let's listen in on him for a little bit. okay but. I i have a counterpoint. To your your. Your pluses countered downer. Yeah so i'm just going to be eighteen year. I'm going to let this talk for me. A long faces on the bill sideline greg. How top of the task is it as a coach to go into the locker room. Now until you guys. How important is to try to go out on a positive note while they're pros we've got to go out and try to get the feel better on defense as apprentice out a little bit that make any place We didn't capitalize on the one. We did get our guys come out. We'll be a bit more wide open here in the second half and we've gotta finish strong. Thank you quality man. Greg williams got empathize. I'm sorry what was that dan to your door. Foie demand quality band. Greg williams has got empathize quality. Man breaks quality man. Greg williams empathize. Do you though refused to empathize with greg williams and the worst the worst and they kept talking about. How like all the players. Oh i can't believe how great he's like stuck with us through this whole season even though we suck the fuck choices you have like. It's he sucks. You suck because of him like he's the coach this to jesus and his name is sullying the greg. Oh my god is three fees awful so do we want to talk about the The the the potential complications of this game. Yeah what the patriots are playing for. Because this is week seventeen. Yeah this is The last week there's a bunch of stuff on the line took a screenshot of the The graphic that up because the two teams yet two teams in the afc where undefeated home this season the chiefs twelve and three who have They start off undefeated. They went like nine or no but have struggled down the stretch. Here and I believe this game is on a saturday. And so the chooser hosting the bears the day after who are seven and eight and the patriots again our game but if the patriots lost this game they would energies one. They'll be tied for record. But i think the chiefs would have a tiebreaker somewhere down the road on an opponent years. Something like that. Yeah or like conference whatever's so the chiefs to win that game so this is basically the battle for the one seed and that's part of the reason brady was in there for as long as he was right just to make sure which you know is what bell. Jack said halftime to what they said and also Both teams really good at home. But the chiefs like the pages offices. Both teams undefeated the patriots. Were averaging like twenty to ten wins like twenty points four at ten points against the chiefs on the other hand averaging thirty four almost thirty five points a game at home but when allowing only seventeen. So i mean that's like for the chiefs. It's kind of a big deal to wanna win at home or wanna play at home. So you're also denying the chiefs that sorta looking for advantage homefield advantage. Era has no joke either. True especially at this point in priest holmes. Yeah so were there any other Was there anything else on the line. Greg around the league for this week. I have so this obviously week. Seventeen so there's a lot of maybe we get we. We touched on it after we talk about the game right. Yeah yeah results stuff. That's what i figured okay So in terms of if you want to watch this game. I would say wash the first half. Yeah i and watch kind of like the end of the you can watch the fourth quarter to fourth grade. Watch the first half and then the last couple of minutes wash that i that we all know the one i think is that could be your thumbnail. Greg there you go. We're going to have yeah. I didn't remember was an interception until i remember interception. I thought it was tedy bruschi. I thought it was a fourth down play. I remember goal line. Stop at the end of the at the end of the game though. Yeah i i thought they put their starters back in. Started back in two indy. Yes they did now which was even better. When because it was larry izzo with the to keep the thirty one nothing he was playing to one guy versus to the had the guy and fly and the guy deep and he like bumps again flat goes deep. Mix interception and then i thought it was teddy because like teddy flips the blackout and is like on the field and they had like crazy hugging party in midfield with the entire defense brand. There you get stumped ceos as fucking hell of a party at the end of it i think the the i corps is basically the pages offense did whatever the hell they wanted the defense against the the number two ranked defense in the nfl were. They must buffalo top year. Yeah it a tough year weather right in terms of yardage they were the number two defense in the nfl number five hundred rising which points against as well defense. Sick playmakers everywhere. Though is our good. Their running backs drew bledsoe as good. It also felt like john and i. It may have been dan dear to the point that's out. It seemed like the defense wasn't trying. The bills even wasn't running at one hundred percent effort. Either on the bethel johnson touchdown where i take. Yeah you have his jersey right kind of half asked it and got stiff armed into chess. like didn't even really try to make a tackle those peak balance. He's been playing awesome these last couple weeks to. He's at a gas year. I'm hi tom bethell now. Look so much. I don't know how you didn't stick. Because yeah he's been playing great he and not just i mean. Okay so yeah. I got a comparison who quarrel patterson no bethel's like shiftier no just from like a a game impact right. He's not like he's not giving him like ten ten targets a game or anybody like every time he gets the ball. He seems to do something. That's like okay. That's looking at a band and his his biggest contribution is on kickoffs. Might even in this game. I think bethel johnson's biggest contribution was kickoff coverage. Yes because Antonio brown the other antonio brown the bills antonio brown was there kickoff one. I was like no well yes no. It's not the same what we were. We went over this week. One i think that the antonio brown you graph by accident and fantasy check yourself but yeah so he was a bit of a burner in this and bethel johnson. Rain him down on kickoffs. That probably would have been touchdowns otherwise ran down from behind when nobody else could catch him like from the other side of the field. One of them so bell johnson. Yeah i'm big on this and that's kind of players you like that. Make the most of their -tunities no kind of some. But i think it was a couple of weeks ago. Maybe in the jags game. They said that he didn't play because something to do with his preparation for the game wasn't up to snuff like it wasn't patriots. Were unhappy with it. So they bench him for a game so there may have been something else going on there. Every time on the field does something makes it makes. A difference wasn't prepared so he didn't even dress pair well enough for the week or something. Some surely that to ruin brandon this game it gave them the old fuck in Malcolm butler treatment. Not gonna give you a real reason. We're just gonna sit one of our best players in a super bowl for no reason ballot. Check hero year god. something they're capable. That never came up now. Well when we have either of them on the podcast we will talk about butler. You free agent. he is. Yeah you just got released so we should say yeah but there was something about in this. Game ruben brown didn't travel with the team. The bills like Pro bowl lineman on his left tackle. Maybe lisa guard. He has guard guard but yet he i guess he had some altercations on the field and on the sidelines in the game before this against the dolphins in a game where drew bledsoe was sacked six times and i guess they said he was frustrated with the way the offense was was performing and so he didn't practice all weekend didn't travel with the team and this was another thing that that Your boy dan. Dear door was like beleaguering. Yeah he he was. He was upset about this. But the fact that ruben gets to stay home and still gets a paycheck but all his team major are here. Battling it out. Which i think. If you look at the score is probably A questionable statement but yeah he. He was on that train for probably most of the second quarter i would say about. How does this offensive line looked here. Nipples harder geared after rock-solid retailer ruben brown four time second team all pro. Yeah always the bridesmaid. Never the bride show for his team is at the most bills stat ever time. Second team all pro four times second place route. I'm more of a cuban guy myself you know a q. Bottle to bottle. I did find it strange. That pages go fourteen into set a franchise record for wins Gonna win super bowl in two pro bowlers. That's what i mean. I'm wearing one of them's jersey. Tyler baby. is that from the jersey from this year. Yeah more today. So who is your agree tyler. Pro bowl jersey. And seymour right. Yeah so no offense play. Yeah that makes sense. This offense has been harrison. I think you could make a case for harrison out. As like bruce king bruschi made it. He had more than two being how dominant they work. Absolute crushing teams and competed dot. Com is saying that willie mcginest and there's a pro baller to maybe he got in as a alternate could be doesn't matter it's not like any of them played right. Actually this was. This was one the pro bowl after the super bowl. Isn't it s right plans. Game and betty did the teddy mike. Vrabel had an interception early in the first quarter bills i drive. I think that was. That was his defense twenty-eighth interception on the season. Twenty interceptions lot. Who's actually move them into i in the nfl. I don't know if that's stuck. But was also the most by pages defenses nineteen sixty four the long fucking time also in nineteen sixty four. I'm surprised you could get twenty interceptions. Because i don't think teams through more than like three times a game back then but yeah. Well that's why. Because i kept throwing somebody got so bad at it but this was also only allowing nine points per game at home and this first half was on crazy domination like they get to kick off godown. Nine plays six yard touchdown next drive. Let's thursday interception touchdown again fourteen. Nothing before you can even like before. I guess sat down. Yeah exactly like they would wayne. This is the best offense looked in forever in many games. And they're just against the nominee defense. Yeah because they came out. Just say fuck it. Five wide no huddle. We're just going to just hammer right down throat and it worked for two drives and then they just got up Twenty eight nothing like twenty nothing after it was twenty one nothing after like right at the right at the beginning of the second quarter because they their last drive the first quarter finished in the second like right at the beginning brady threw touchdown and troy brown and so doesn't bledsoe still hasn't turned a completed pass at this point. He had the bills lick horrendous yet. They block anybody on that offensive line. Like see here's a question for you guys. Did you guys feel bad for. Brady beffa brady. Bledsoe's sorry yes idea. He was just throwing hot every time. There was a free rusher every single. Sign up flashbacks to yeah. He was just like oh god. He's not really his fault but he's not making it adding veteran because because yeah there was one drive where i think. The bills dropped back to pass three times. And every single time bledsoe got hit because there was a free rusher but he was also like there was no hot routes those no like quick dump the back into like that and then they punted and brady got the ball and the first plays a free rusher and bridges dumps it off like the tight end and the flat and they get like four or five yards out of it like that right there is why they kept brady and not not bledsoe but yeah but bledsoe. I'd say he had maybe a second and a half to make make a decision in. This is a free rusher. Almost every blessed the blitz percentage has been through the roof because they just let's every play it felt like. I don't even think they did. I think just brought russia's from different places is usually like four man rush but it was safeties and corners linebacker every even into garbage time when when because the bills brought in the fuck was his name. Travis browner travis brown. Yeah one of the brown brothers. From the northern northern arizona lumberjacks represent northern arizona. The lumberjacks baby trump. That would phoenix boy at the moon. He was he was kind of like your very Like madden created backup quarterback because he came in and he like looks like a a dollar store version of drew bledsoe similar builds. His helmet didn't quite fit right in his face. Mass too because it looked like they give them him. You know like the the old school tight ends helmets from these days. There's like a little bit bigger in the face. Mask is huge and it goes down their chest. You know those ones like the ones that christian for wears yeah. This guy was wearing and he just like hung out to dry. He got lit up in this game. That harrison defec- can custom. Oh yes yes. He's up here in the come out. Clearing custody came back was a tight end tight end. There's you you mistook them because they look exactly the same because where the fuck. It helmet dallas like a ridiculous. A lot of brown's on in this game Fuck you travis. Brown antonio brown ruben brown troy brown. Yeah greg brown. Any grounds dan dear. Oh no yeah Well there's a couple of travis travis brown got travis henry who was literally the only bright spot in this game for the bills who baird is none of the burden food. Let's play this game. What can we plan. You know where you go from. Last names first names all right. So travis henry henry third henry. Wink ruggs bugs travis. Henry ended his game with over one hundred yards rushing. Believe he did star trek. I don't know. I didn't watch the second half for you. Took sixty fifty two. I was confusing here with travis brown. Who threw for hundreds which is more than bledsoe threw for bledsoe. Twelve of twenty nine eight three yards one interception three sacks not great not great it rating of thirty four point seven damon hewitt had a higher rating than that damon was oh for one had a better rating and negative one rushing yards. Yeah good so well. That's because he had to kneel down. Was that tight end on the bills. The same one that brady brimmed with at michigan and was like super closely. Yes it was riemersma. No mark mark campbell. That's that dude. Yes yeah because they they mentioned it briefly when you ever like a brady bio whenever it's the same one. I think and he was only got kind of this to super costs. Yeah he was taking shots. Because they kept like this travis. Brown character kept like floating the ball down the middle. Tha that like tight end. Seem route which broaden your harrison just feasted. On every time he caught the ball guys got lit up. He went back to a couple of times. Not great but yeah travis. Henry was like the only person still trying at the end of the game too. It's like the third quarter just like heading off to them and not blocking for him. So he's breaking like four or five tackles and getting like a loss of two yards soon to be replaced by the bills first round pick this year who red shirted. The entire year eighty. Yeah did because the crazy leg injury in college right. Yeah miami's very the title right before he gets drafted. Yeah was in like the national championship but was ballgame right against texas shit ever. Where did they draft him early. She's using for something that's so blake anita high pick. They weren't like awesome either. Did not running backs for like way more value back. Then i mean this is true but still the dude headed gross asked knee injury in his last game at college and speaking of corona. Here you wanna talk about the around. The league are good for all right. So this is the first edition of the newest segment. That i will probably forget about next time detail. Were calling it around the league greg brown. Okay no one supposed to other greg one. That's the one so let's take a little gander. Let's take a walk around the nfc. The afc see what else is going on. Shot for. The playoffs does round agents. Yes to answer made not only that but some records were set this year. So yeah Jamal lewis would Complete his two thousand yard season this week. Finishing the year with two thousand sixty six yards which at the time was second all time to barry. sanders no andrew guest eric dickerson eric. Dickerson me still holds. The record. lewis has been. There's a new second. Can you name that adrian. Peterson peterson two thousand and twelve. So yeah he had a fucking monster year he add like he absolutely feast it on. Cleveland like two hundred ninety five. I didn't like one week and a nine hundred eighty have a i have a. I think we may touches us back when the we played the browns but The fun fact that we had for the browns game that one was in week. Two browns linebacker. Andre davis telephone ravens. Running back jamal lewis. Before the game and stated he wanted lewis. Carry the ball at least three times in their upcoming matchup quote if that happens is going to be a career day lewis replied louis then erupted two two hundred ninety five russia breaking the record. Previously held by corey dillon. In two thousand as brands fell thirty. Three to thirteen browser federal's literally called up. Joe lewis fucking day to thirty times. It's like okay and runs for three hundred and did it again in week. Six eighty so. I mean like steve is in the running backs are way more valued so also in this year priest. Holmes sent the what was at the time the record for most touchdowns in a season. Oh yes ninety seven touchdowns which was broken by lt. Like thirty something ridiculous. yes so. Interestingly it was two thousand five shaun alexander broke it and then two thousand six. That's right right. So i remember that like bush on four years the record sex andrew. Yeah so lt. At thirty one touchdowns record stands now in two thousand and six yep so A little around the league playoff updates me the playoff picture. The playoff picture so the The afc is the pats i the chiefs in colton third. They win the south with like The same record as the titans right but they wanna head to head. I think and they are both wicked good to right. There was like three or four loss teams. I think there are four loss teams. Yep yep baltimore. Winds based on defense in jamal lewis. They win their division. The afc north. So they actually have a worse. Record than the titans. But you'll get baltimore and tennessee while car game. And then the chiefs or the colts will play denver. Okay so those are the two right on. The expats have buys so the colts denver game. Remember that either. I think i do. It's pretty yeah all it. Maybe once we went to that game like because obviously we know that we played the titans in cultures here so the chiefs after having this amazing year are basically one in don fall apart with which is interesting. Yeah the nfc. So the nfc finishes with philadelphia as the one seed. Saint louis says the two seed makes sense panthers. Three seed green bay has the foresee which i'll get to in a minute. Seattle dallas says wildcards. So i don't know if you remember how the packers got into the playoffs this year by winning that division so was between them in minnesota going into the last week of the year. Okay so minnesota. This is the culpepper randy. Moss team serves fucking team with who are otherwise. Chris carter only catch touchdown. One thousand catch something on a highlight. The other day catching a touchdown on of course all discussions so the last week. Minnesota like blowing the doors off. Kansas city forty five. Oh yes sweaty or something like that. So was a big big game for the pats. Moss is like in peak moss form. He has like seven catches. Buck eleven two touchdowns in that game so now into week. Seventeen all they need is like it's one of those situations where like they either need to win or seattle wins or tie you know like one of those things where like four things to go against them for them to not make the plots and they're playing the three and twelve cardinals after. Just he's cardinal garner just being the twelve digits so there they go into arizona. they're fucking kicking their ass. Seventeen to six with less than two minutes left. It's seventeen to six. What of magic happens. Josh mccown magic. Josh mccown led cardinals rookie year. It's actually his second or third year in the league but he played twenty nine hundred fucking crazy. Yeah yeah so. He should mccown leads them down. Stay score a touchdown at addict convert like a fourth and ten on that drive they Get an onside kick. Nice recover that they start driving. They're like down within the ten yard line of minnesota. They it's second down. They have the one time. I'll be get sacked. Call the time out the next play. They get sacked sack fumble. So it's now fourth and goal from the twenty four with like like an expire sacramento last. Play the game clock it and enough that and some fucking way. How josh mccown pulls this bullshit data. It was very similar to the The super bowl. With the steelers with the touchdown. The corner against cardinals. Oh yeah same idea where he's just like lodges into the back corner of the end zone this guy like told tasks it and that's the last play of the game. The cardinals in eighteen to seventeen the vikings are out of the playoffs. The packers are in season done. Live on what those ridiculous games every to fit to lose your season against a fucking three and twelve team like that. Josh mccowan and the three drill team wasting colpepper randy. Moss team like so many layers of heartbreak for vikings fans. They're like i can't even imagine. Oh my god this catch and this is actually before they had the shell so he only gets one foot down and then defendant which they say non reviewable or no. It's reviewed the review is that he had like maintain. Yeah thrall would have come down in bounds if cat diem Yeah we'll we'll post that in the in the show notes. If anybody wants to watch it they can. I didn't see it. But i think this is another one. Where if you find the right common data. It's hilarious be very the guy's like oh no right because we talked about the other day the ending to the saints game. Yeah how could they do that. Where they score the lateral touchdown and then Missed the extra point to go to overtime. And i think that kept the saints out of the playoffs isn't it. I did not make the playoffs and finished. But they finish eight eight so they had a chance if one that but yeah sounds like they would brutal forth in twenty four and of course you guys are gonna hate this but like brett farve is watching from. I think it was chicago after beating the bears being like. Oh shucks guys did you guys hated it would have. I am hating it all right so we got some some excitement in the nfc which didn't really happen the afc. They thought that last day dinners kind of like it was just the seating more than anything right because the ravens were two games up on the bengals. Patriots were four games up on the dolphins who finished sixth miss the playoffs and missing tiebreaker. with broncos. yeah so. If they had beaten the patriots once this season they wouldn't be the place Eastman tough when you got the patriots in the true to him all right. So we've got the panthers three seed in the patriots. The one seed and the combination is also talking about how hard it was for the one seed to win or it's even get to the super bowl because i think i took a shot. Only three of the top seeded. Afc playoff teams have made the superbowl last ten seasons. The only team to win was the nineteen ninety eight broncos when one seat to win from the afc so the one-seat isn't really known for always fucking pay any blows in the playoffs. Well this is still early so maybe not bitterly for that stance if that number skewed. It's because of peyton manning. i it's skewed. Because of tom brady or will be some other numbers for in the pages favor though for this. Is that Single-season since nineteen seventy only three teams have won twelve consecutive regular season games before the patriots. Did it just in this game here. All three of them one super bowl they were obviously the nineteen seventy two dolphins the nineteen eighty five bears and the nine hundred ninety eight broncos so good company to have to win those games but two of those teams. Let's see eighty-five bear. Seventy two dolphins obviously undefeated five bears. I think when fifteen and one and beat the shit out of everybody accepts the one team. They lost that year. Do you know the miami dolphins to miami dolphins the only team to beat the eighty five bears keeping the season and i think the ninety eight broncos bit a storm or two. Aren't they lagging elway like end of his career and then they had terrell davis yeah. That's leads. Terrell davis rare those four years where us just like on another planet. Yeah exactly and and this was the time. When the the broncos were like kind of skirting the salary cap by paying money outside of it was not this era that has to worry. They had some stack teams. Are they doing that not to get too into the weeds here. But so you can actually find it on dot com. I was gonna say are there other teams in the nfl cheating or of rules. because i will. Roy hissy fed on national television. That's the god damn trick. I want you to cry again about this. Alan specter god damn it. It's called salary cap gate. According to your team cheats dot com. That's the most boring gate ever well. I think they name everything something gate. 'cause as is tradition But the summary is according to website on september seventeenth. Two thousand four. The league announced that for the second time in three years. The denver broncos were fined. Nearly a million dollars would once again lose. A third round draft pick because of salary cap violations between ninety six ninety eight luxury tax. Essentially oakland raiders owner. Al davis contended the broncos circumvention of the salary cap helped him win the super bowl. The ninety seven and ninety eight seasons in the years where they didn't fall. The capitals broncos top player quarterback john elway was paid out five point four percent of the legal cap space which was one point two percent less than the next closest team even more telling always cap charges. In the broncos seven ninety eight super bowl seasons were just two point one two point six million respectively which is pretty fucking small by comparison. Miami dolphins quarterback dan marino hoops. That go Who would be. The most logical comparison had captured a four point three and seven point six million a fraction of that implications took a relatively low cap hit but received outside the cap funds to compensate for that god to see. That's what i'm saying like it's you can only rile the public if it's not boring. Four point six million percent over the candidate captain. Here's the just tuned out to use the fungus. Tell me they were videotaping practice. And i'll get hype okay. The broncos explanation for the infraction goes something like this owner pat. Bolan was trying to build a new stadium for the broncos and we're short on cash so he asked elway and running back. Terrell davis to forfeit some of their paycheck now and in return he will pay them back plus interest after the season cash. She's giving them checks the fuck it outside you know. Just give them give them a cotton like yes as soon as you retire. We'll give you a christie fucking job. Gm let you draft a bunch of shitty quarterbacks that will move. Replace you in the ring of honor in in denver hobby. All the the franchise. It'll be fine. Yeah so awesome steve. Can we designate. You are salary cap guy. You'd be good at that. Yeah you're a numbers guy right. Cedar numbers cruncher. Can you be are like salary. Cap question answer can you get some excel. Spreadsheets going please. no. I can't be a gift suggest guy though. If suggest getting or you get hotter rip gifts like you do for your gifts okay. What are they wondering suggests. When you're right now yeah by all means i'll be dick. Tom brady right after he like nearly tears. His ligament talk damian lillard so this is sort of like how it started right because get some audio here. There's no audio needed while i mean. This is an audio supply. Gas yes greg you you play tom brady. I'll play damon hewitt. Hey do you see that shit. Y'all y'all he was so close to my knee. Dude has your pliability fucking laser focus is. He's just is not even talking to david. Hilbert get fucked. Obviously facemask fucking facing tight ends. They they really liked it. Kind of names. Speak highly of it. Well what kinda name is damon. Does the name of the devil. Can we get some audio and one of these in his gifts. I have mario there the highlights on the website. Don't have on you. But i have one audio there. Tom brady is podcasts. Listening cannot see what use a. I've got one. That's pretty great. So can you go if you can line up when it hits. Brady i just want to hear leg dick is i'm not crazy in that. He didn't go yeah. Someone fell on his leg. Dick leg dick i. I'm not like debating that though. I think we all agree that dan dude or says dumb. Shortfall time oleg. Dick theodore creepy comments though did or dude. That's almost as good as wd. Thirty three andy. What was that firm faulk right. Because he he just keeps the keys. Grease monkey the human lubricant. Do we know when about that time. That was going to be daddy. Second quarter seven minutes so it'll be just like maybe a couple of minutes before forty seven while while while he looks for its Steve do you think that was a dirty play now. Did complicated in the back and like shutdown more whereas renard pollock was already on the ground and then meal can launch or lawyer sort of like push down if it was the player other than lawyer malloy. I have the feeling you would say. It's dirty in week. Seventeen down and then he made the lund lawyer like dude getting rolled up like blocking or like. You know you're blocking and someone gets all the behind you. It was a similar sort of play where it wasn't like Going for his knee. I just feel like in the nfl. All those players are kinda like that Because he definitely made like an effort to he's already on the ground than like them lunch. Adam agree with that. I think you guys are just your viewing these through rose colored glasses in that you like lawyer milloy and you don't want you don't want him to hate the patriots but he does one did he. There's clear evidence that he was really good. Yeah yeah he yeah. He sold. Tom brady his house. Yeah although i never do a dirty hit. Andy go through and trying to tear. Tom reeves neil. And that's also not who he was. Where bernard pollard has is what you bernard. Pollard has a tracker nation. Would harris would have harrison did that. Yeah for sure you just say was spirited. Think i found it here so the end of the second quarter talk about his arms going to fall off before this is over and the do it again down. He goes under pressure from the hell out. So there's a sack the play action here me. But his reign yati a field position. Brady join forgiven. Incomplete and boyd. Tom brady has somebody fallen his dick and he is hurt and boy. Did tom brady. Have somebody fall. Fallen his aac dick and he didn't come ahead. Tom brady has somebody fallen his lake. Dick and he is he is android. Tom brady have somebody fallen his lake. Dick and he is like dick dick brady. Oh shit i tell you star where you triple your legacy. I would never want to see it. A man tripping on like the. Oh god i was right though. Yeah i'm like big brady and i also think you're like this is where he says talks about the ligaments to. Yeah oh yeah yeah it's a great replay over and over again. It was like oh this was like they do. it's actually more but they showed the wide right replay. They showed drew bledsoe getting his lung caved in replay. They're just like hey. Let's hit all the low lights. Let's see we talked about the the ligaments real quick. This is really awkward. Coming from the far side might have been malloy is good friend. It is lawyer malloy. All look the knee and ankle of. Tom brady boy. That is when a quarterback is at his most vulnerable standing there with your legs straight out and that that hurt. You could almost see the hand. It's remarkable that the only thing i can say is. I hope tom brady has loose ligaments. I love i don't care what anyone etc section idiot i'm on eighty. He's so bad. Dan deardoff md. But he's like it's you know when movies get so bad they're good you know there's there's the thing i hate are movies. That are like somewhere in between like you. There'd be so bad you're entertaining like a ton of movies. That are so bad. they're good those are and why it's a good point that's true. Yes i think. That's that's my issue with. He's so corner. All the goddamn time plays the sax and he has some saks. Czars gonna fall off. He's throwing it so much. That's his dumb right also. How many times the. Tom brady threw it. Twenty five times in the apnea through twenty one. Thirty two times this game arms gonna fall off cheese do best and worse. That's the worst given me stephen. There was a staff. Were someone had thrown five touchdowns in a game when brady was on fire in the first half and was throw five in the game in lake. Tie the record. Shannon doesn't mean then later throw five touchdowns in a half he does. You know he'll get there. Do you remember who it was that his record it was five touchdowns and game steve grogan in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine jets and there will like tom brady was two years old. My god can you imagine. That's how time works bro. Come out of the womb. Huck and football's like what you get at there. Well they're getting. It's an old record. India do not agree. I don't think that's where they were going with. I'm stan and dan did you see i'm gonna. I'm fighting a good fight for my boy. Dan so i if you had to pick one to spend an eternity on an island the two of you would it be new choices. Are dan did or bill ballot. Check god i mean you guys. Here's steve i share. Yeah we have all the time. Yeah he gets. Great foot rubs noted question. Bill taylor tanks. Probably we can boring dude. I mean i've been saying. Would you rather be bored or like wicked or android sort of really good one. I guess board. Maybe if you like broke check doubt enough. You could get him to open up. Betty would yeah. He's like boring on on purpose of and every time you like a when he's miked up in stuff he's always like telling jokes and shit like narc. Great the jokes like all right. Tell you about that. What rows coach of the browns back in the eighties. All the players. Like yeah about this guy like yeah. Isn't that funny coach. And all you care about his football. You're just not gonna be like a well rounded like good fun person to hang out with doubt. Can i do my other best. Yeah sure can one. I look on the radio announcers remember. They had the bill's gone. They said he was the longest serving radio announcer in. Nfl history. the guy who've been doing it since the bills were created as a franchise. Yeah but didn't they say he. He missed it for seven years because like the radio station went under or something. He was in second place was gil. Santos shit has looked up who had a long career. Who who who fucking crushes rarely. Oh yeah so killing. I is thousand. Twelve was like nineteen fifty seven to two thousand two. Whatever the longest didn't look that up probably got from the cubs right. Used for forever just football. I started when the bill started. Deal must not too far behind either. Even peaches started played patriots when the papers. Oj you know when he was just no football enough for and then my best fitting gloves next given will share screen again. Good okay can you can you. It's such a throwback. Layby steve kids. You should be able to share your audio too. There's no audio just microwaveable. I'm craig is migrate in his muslim. Had a baller game wherein the shark tooth hat. You're wearing right now greg. Just look in super young and then it pulls up his little stat line of how long it's been in the year seven years ohio state. Chiesa twenty eight you sitting. Here chilling on the sideline as a little. Did we know he would guarantee he would cut off his if tennessee titans super bowl. How far man. Football different these days but oh man All right gregory your best worse. Yes i do okay. So my best was a sam gash citing yes. Best name for a fullback. Yeah no i've cookie. He's got a cousin named thad. Gash fan alvin gash. Junior kick ass name to be honest. I usually should on the juniors like naming your kid yourself but if your name is fab- cash you goddamn right your name. Kelly played in the nfl to apparently Holbeck had to be. I have no idea another interesting. Note about sam gash. I mean i've see you know. Old school pats fans now. He played for the past few years he he made a pro bowl. He didn't make a problem with the pats but he did a pro bowl and he was the first ever back in. Nfl history to make the pro bowl without a single rushing attempt in the regular season. Holy shit yeah. That's impressive that good of a road. Grader yeah i guess might've caught option at times because he caught a pass game. You did i mean it. Didn't it didn't look particularly natural. Yeah mark edwards if you will but what a great fucking name effort for somebody who's supposed to open up holes perfect. Yeah no my worst is going to be probably lawyer. Molloy's mood directly after this game. I can't imagine what was going through his head. Where the turnaround from week one way. He thinks he's going onto like a super bowl. Contender beat the past. Thirty one out then the whole cities behind him the lead so they stacked ass team there too in all your like dude. This was the such a good decision to go to buffalo. I'm gonna. I'm gonna fuck. I'm gonna shove this down. Bell checks throat to minds. They're out of the playoffs. He just fucking hurt his buddy. Tom brady and they fucking our trash. Also on the patriots i drive. It was lawyer. Malloy was called for defensive. Pass interference in the end zone. Which set up the first touchdown. And like he was the closest player to gins when given scored his touchdown to so. I'm not even a game. I lawyer goddamn shoes so not great. Yeah i mean. I still love lawyer milloy and always love lawyer. Milloy absolute heart of the law firm. But just you gotta feel for for his dreams being shattered at this point. that's brutal Yeah because i mean and he. I guess he kind of had a say in the decision at the beginning of the season but like he was also being asked to take. Yeah so i understand that. I got no problem with decision. He made you know he's he's he's a pro. He's looking for his family. I get that absolutely so it socks saying. It's all about setting expectations in life. Where if you expect to be bad. You'll never be disappointed but if you set that bar too high you're asking for the hurt. There's something with a dumpster in a trash can some of that greg. You haven't analogy for this fort like you expect a dumpster and you get a trash. Can you like oh all right. I think we talked about in the pot before too. Haven't heard yeah. I like to setting expectations. That's approach with his wife with kelly. S yeah she expects dumpster fire and then she just gets trash cans. Yeah that's exactly studying expectations is. It's a real part of life that we need to get better at. You know both at work and and in your personal life And you want to them as low as possible is the key i think. Yeah we're all were all mediocre. The three of us are like definition mediocre. Oh yeah and the sooner we odd cast like that if you look mediocre in the In the dictionary. It's three white men with a podcast. Yeah yeah we're we're actually a cliche. We're mean by that we're doing. Now what do you. What do you call the group white males and you call them a podcast yelling into the abyss exactly yelling into the universe. The well that took a turn was you know we're all gonna die one day but you know live on forever right. He did that leg. Dick fucking comment that. That's in the annals. Yeah god there's somebody in like twenty sixty. When the pats terrible they're going to be like. I wonder how it was when brady was flying. And their back damn. It's dan dealer. Sounds like a dickhead. Wonder where he's buried. Go pizzazz greg too. Far far yeah. I'll take that back then. I'll do my best and worst to recover from that my best i got a couple i one is totally ben decanes. I sack of his career. Yeah where he just wrapped up drew bledsoe. And then like didn't tackle because bledsoe had like a flame it's can we send on a blitz this down the roster everybody's mixed tell you to kane and also draw cherry had an ice blitz off. Efg caught was named travis. Browne completely unaware. And i think may have concussed him to that was brutal. So tully who hopefully will have on to discuss. Credit cards would begin. Also tom brady did not throw an interception at home. In the season all twelve interceptions came on the road and the patriots. Now have home field advantage all the way through the playoffs so that might work out and then my last best. Yeah they talked about david gibbons and did you boys realize that he was a running back at notre dame who converted to receiver. I had no idea. I heard that as stats were like. He had like twenty catches his senior year. Something crazy biden receiver before they drafted him. Try to convert them. I don't know that's what that's what the comments that he was a running back at notre dame and then he converge wide receiver and the patriots drafted as a wide. He is yeah. He's a natural wider series like but he's also like built like a big wide receiver is running back. Built our this down watching the game. He is we all wish. Nikiel harry could be or night. Malcolm mitchell mackel. Mitchell was which he was. But that's the prototype. That i think bell jack was looking for was that david gibbons malcolm mitchell and probably even aaron dobson the big body wide receiver aaron drops in what you will can brel dropkin now like speaking of mrs bush. Any in two thousand he had twenty four rushing attempts twenty five catches and then a senior at thirty three catches six russia's. Yeah so yeah so. He started running back converted in college to a why now all relating one thousand nine hundred ninety had fourteen catches and thirteen russia's second ads near you or carries and no catches so he's basically james white cool. You showed me my worst spicy on here tonight at seven rushing touchdowns three guys wanna talk about. It is there. There's something going on between you guys that you wanna talk about. I'm just insanely jealous. That he has a dog. And i don't i'm taking on the podcast. Great fuck yourself. Does those videos that he sent every day. that are all the same. they're sick. i love him. i'm living vicariously. Not foia or they just know every time he son one. There's someone out there that hates it. Steve not that's not true. But i put it in our group chat for our family. So i know it's not somebody rates it typically the Is there something you want to get something between you and steve. That's going on. You always been something. This is always listed first of all. He's a big dumb ass hall again. He's a key brained fucking uncouth pieces shed so we'll start their uncouth. Okay pot. I was trying to think of that word that you use about people that are bad at technology what is it. Oh it's not a religion luddite. That's what it is. Yeah actually every since you explain that word to me. I'm hearing it everywhere. You know that happens sometimes. Yup he's gonna work. It's a great word. Drop your fucking luddite. Steve that you are i. I hate the knowledge. I don't know it's just a sweet word dude but yes speaking of mrs. My worst adamant to terry has miss nine field. Goals this season. The most. he's ever missed one four yards. Yes mr chip shop with the was like what the fuck yeah and they went and got them another field goal anyways. Yeah because it his twenty eight. There could have gone up thirty one and he misses the chip shot. Field goal thirty one. Thank yes i saw. You think check would do that. No because i think they were. They would have left the defensive starters conservative. You know they're playing super-conservative red zone of like but you could argue that it. Get another touchdown. Let's go tattle think so. I think that's always the question with belgium right. Does he do things out of spite definitely does. We're letting calling. Seems to say. But i mean he would never admit it a million years but the fuck you touchdowns of oh seven. Yeah we're definitely like there's some spider in there running up the score it every getting it thirty one. Nothing was also fucking soon as misses that you see on his face he's like what buck and then they go and get because when he's lining up hours like oh. Here's the thirty one. Nothing any mississippi. I was like. Oh we'd kick another field goal. And the next he'll go they gig was also twenty four yards. Yeah hooked onto opens but i. I don't think in this case it was. I think it was just bella. Check bidding bell jack o. This lead isn't big enough as it is drew bledsoe. I mean obviously. I don't think there was ever a chance. But it's like twenty eight to three being being up twenty two three in the third quarter of a a super bowl. you know. it's the leaves just not big enough to guarantee that you're going to win so you're going to keep try to add some points. I think you're wrong but all right. Well then i'd explain to me this. She explained to me just moved on. After i gave my best didn't get to do more. I explained to me this before. You do worse. Let's get through this argument here. If bella check was that concern about winning thirty one nothing why did he pull his defense. Before the last couple of drives. Appoint steve kerr to comment his backups. More season backups. Let the other team drive straight down the field to the one yard line. Because you're crazy sack yeah. They gave up a bunch of big plays that put the put the bills on the one yard line. First and goal from the one with seventeen seconds left. But the whole t travis. Henry rushed for hundred yards us. He's he's building trust in his team in depth in his squad. Before i agree. But that's not what you do when you want to spine when you wanna win thirty one. Nothing exactly i'm saying. They got conservative in the red zone because they want the field. We'll make it three one. Nothing as opposed to thirty five. He didn't care shirt gives you. We're still slow unit. Brady miss a couple of end zone throws when there was lentils worse is actually a point in your column because listen to the bills penetration into the patriots. While new england twenty six england. Fifteen new england seventeen twenty two new england one yard line dip in a total of zero point zero points in the red zone like five times. Were inside the red zone. All time and and zero point eighteen yard line false start and then sack and then miss on fourth down. Because they're they're kicker she was because you know how they show that like that line like the cool graph that they did like overlaid on the field field goal come out like fro- from ten to twenty is ninety two percent and then from twenty to thirty. He's one hundred percent and then from thirty to forty fifty percent take field goal for over thirty years. It's not good for the nfl. S. greg williams coach team though. So you know. He's honorable man. What are the. Yeah so that was a has got an empathy for greg williams. Well i don't know if this is the best or worst. But this was greg williams last game as the head coach of the buffalo. You'd get fired good. You did this. This is this is how he went out which felt fitting so. That's a best worse for him. But the best for i actually in research that found an error in pro football reference dot com didn't didn't refuse to believe i'm listening Ryan del forty. I feel good. I think remember any the. They got a penalty on that then. They tried another one for another run. Yeah he missed he missed. You missed a forty five yarder at the penalty for fourth than any miss a four yard later in the quarter. We knew that. If there's one thing i can guarantee that you're wrong. Pro football reference. Talk this is just that. Check our shipment. How istat check pro football reference every fucking checking the stats working so steve. Did you say you had a worst or was that it was that taken as villa. San watching the game watching them get inside the red zone all those times in komo. Zero points has to be the absolute i. You can't be good. Because i thought that we the bills harder than they whipped us the first week in that might be true in the first half but like the bills had chances points on the boards. And just just didn't it was so maybe getting beaten yourself. It's not like being you know. Here's one last thing. That i had they showed a stat of tom. Brady is numbers from two thousand one when he was super bowl. Mvp as numbers from two thousand three The one completion percentage just about sixty four percent eighteen touchdowns twelve interceptions. Two thousand three About sixty percent. Completion percentage nineteen touchdowns. Twelve interceptions so. There's some similarities there. I wonder if that will carry over any more of these similarities into the playoffs. And maybe there's a super bowl. I think we'll have to find out next week by week by week. Tuesday thursday wednesday who we play next week but by nobody's by senator couch watch the wildcard c. c. annual new england patriots by week. That's true right. Well we we and then. I don't think that'll make very good radio. So we would play the winner of either the colts camp by the colts. Because they're the four. We played denver. Who's the six if they upset the colts in indianapolis or we play the winner of baltimore versus tennessee. Your grade in tennessee. So tennessee's pretty heavy favorites because there were twelve and four type v. Afc south favored by one in this game. Really according to according to Steve lease favor website pro football reference. That might be wrong on hides all forty well. I think the ravens were team this year as their quarterback. Play larry's the ravens. Yeah if you want to hear three. Quarterbacks threw passes this year i'm looking at kyle fuller was number one. They you right and chris redman. How i remember chris redman. Remember anthony wright. No i've never heard of anthony wright. Never i guess he wasn't you remember a cow bowler. Yeah how could you not boilermaker right more anything wrong. Wrong man loves to the playoffs. Yes it is good that jamal lewis two thousand yard. Rusher ray lewis region defense dailies thomas. Peter bal aware chris mcalister The defense was ranked third in yards against and six points against their and they had like eight pro bowlers compared to the pats who had to their country strong pro. Mvp this is true. Yeah be also. Jeff fisher noted Incredible head coach. Who would definitely not get blown out by the patriots in two thousand six. Speaking of tom brady success chance. So yeah so. We will find out who were playing. Do you want to spoil it now or no you hold off. The everyone remembers suspense philly. Let me just well. That's also add season awards here the mvp co co vp's of nfl this year manning and steve mccain steve mcnair country the napper extraordinaire. Boy air. Mcnair so i think q. U. into play next week. Then you're listening to the wrong podcasts. And the worst thing for the patriots would would be to have to play both of those those players right now that be the hardest road possible to the super bowl. So hopefully that doesn't happen and the patriots have an easy road to the the big game and we'll see what happens next week on the pages dynasty podcast. Also if you have any feedback you wanna do. You wanna texas Was the number i know. Steve remember greg. I've five five five five zero five. We'll give you the erica. Eight zero four three six zero three five five eight zero four three paso texas dicey hotline if you if those vitamins of the taken or great such as you stop smoking we though all right yeah so next week on the pages podcast we will see you later. Ill et yearly.

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Hard To Play Football Without A Quarterback

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Hard To Play Football Without A Quarterback

"Kevin is like how did i get dragged into this conversation about going like i should be coaching built now. Hey there welcome to hot. Take down the shore. The hot takes of the sports world. Meet the numbers that proved them right or tear them down. Today is december. First two thousand. Twenty and i'm the sports editor here at five thirty eight joining me in new york. City is senior. Sportswriter neil paying high. Neil sarah how are you and good. You have a good thanksgiving. Oh it was great. I watched the detroit. Lions lose just like always. Yeah no super great and from los angeles fivethirtyeight contributor. Jeff foster hi jeff. Hi how are you good. How was your thanksgiving. Did you also watch the detroit. Lions lose on a partially. I can't tell you sat down and watched that game start to finish high clan unfor. Yeah team beat up on the cowboys. You know that was of gibson now but yeah now it was bad bad thanksgiving football right or is it always bad. I'm usually the cowboys are better. But it was particularly bad this year. Yeah the lions haven't been good for a while and so that part of the day is always kinda a while. i was looking at this alliance. I think this their fourth straight loss on thanksgiving But before that they had won four straight and then before that i think they'd lost like nine or eight straight. They go on these crazy Thanksgiving streak so it's you know you never know what you're gonna get out of that team unless they lost last year in which case they'll probably lose again this year. Distantly the jets the nfc. Well now the question is are are going to get something else out of them now that they have fired their coach matt patricia. Who i think none of us is surprised at what he was gonna. Last the the area. I mean the players and former players were just openly celebrating. That was while you just don't see not very often. Not a good look or makes that was amazing that it reminded it like i really want to go through my life and not have former reports openly. Celebrate my demise. I feel like if i if i ever get fired. If people aren't dancing in the streets that'll be good. That'll be a good goal to have a problem or sarah. Yeah exactly on today's show. We'll discuss. How play a game without a quarterback worked out for the denver broncos and the nfl's approach to covid nineteen as the pandemic has worsened in the past few weeks. We'll also talk about a rare. I from the weekend in power five college football and finally we'll take a deep dive into data with our rabbit hole of the week the nfl much. Like the rest of america is getting hit particularly hard right now. By the coronavirus. The san francisco forty niners will be playing their next two home games in arizona because of new county restrictions on the group size of gatherings as of this recording on tuesday morning the steelers and ravens are now scheduled to play wednesday afternoon after an outbreak. On the ravens. Both teams are missing key players including baltimore quarterback lamar jackson and on sunday at the denver. Broncos had to take the field without any quarterbacks leaving an undrafted wide receiver from their practice. Squad to the mercy of the new orleans. Saints defense games are still being played in. The league is functioning but not all that well on. Espn's i take stephen a smith's thought the time had come for the nfl to take more drastic measures. I actually think that it's got to a point where the nfl should hope the season for two weeks so everybody can get their ducks in a row. Everybody can get their act together and then come back after that two week. Notice and have a bubble kind of atmosphere in their respective. How you're just enforce it for the last month to six weeks. That's how bad it was saturday. You can't to me. You're cheating the fans even though they won the in attendance there watching on tv where you tell a football team this show up without a damn quarterback that's extremely. I in anticipate that happened. Two week call to the regular season. Neal is that the nfl could or or should do or is this just on the teams to face the consequences if they don't follow protocol while in terms of the could They do have that week between the conference championships and the super bowl to work with right now and that's always been there break. Glass in case emergency sort of contingency is to spill over into that now two week break would obviously spill beyond that and they would have to kind of Reshuffle things even more. I don't hate this idea. Given the way that things seem to be going and maybe spiraling out of control. I just wonder whether whether now is the right time or when you kind of make that call because that is that's sort of the last resort of you know trying to take an emergency measure to be able to finish the season so it's all about whether they feel like they can kinda ride this out right now and still keep that in their back pockets. They think things might get even worse down the line which is not unreasonable given the the rates of cases right now i will say that the nfl also does have a pretty robust contact tracing team and and people that are collecting data on the players. Which is one of the interesting things about this ravens outbreak. In the reason they're still playing by the way. Don't you love wednesday afternoon football. That's to add to the to the The list of You names for games that were looking at. But the reason why they're playing it despite still having like cases added to the list does seem to be that they've determined through their analysis of contacts and and all of that it seems to be isolated to the players that have been sent to the covid nineteen list. So we'll see how that goes. But i will say that. That does seem to be what they're kind of leaning on right now and trying to use that contact tracing information to make the call as to whether they think that players are more likely to be added to the list going forward. Yeah i struggled. It seems like they're doing anything to avoid. Having to use that week eighteen option. And i sort of think this could be them just not wanting to disrupt the status quo of normal. Nfl season or it could be that they are anticipating things getting much worse in these last few weeks. We had that early outbreak with the titans but since then You know it got a little bit better now. It seems like it's every week. And i don't really know dates from buried. It doesn't seem at this point. And he signed of leading up at all in the nfl in the country altogether he. I thought that this was a really telling stats. so over. The first eleven testing periods of the twenty twenty season. The nfl had one hundred and forty six confirmed positive test over the most recent to testing periods which were from october twenty fifth to november seventh. They had one hundred eight so they basically almost had as many in the last two testing periods as they had in the previous eleven. That gives you a sense. I mean that's not out of line with the exponential increase in cases that we're seeing in the country as a whole So it does seem to be kind of correlating with that but it tells you where the nfl is right now. I just keep them. I keep going back to the fact that they didn't build more time in their schedule. And i just don't understand. Why not because like this was after. He watched what happened with baseball knowing that they're going to be outbreaks and probably more with football just because of the contact that people are in. I don't understand why they didn't lengthened that that gap between put in an extra week between the regular season and the playoffs to spillover put in more time throughout the season. Give every team to buys. They didn't have to. I feel like there. Are you know we. We know when the super bowl is going to be. Does it have to be then. Did it could not move a couple weeks back or could they not have started the season a couple of weeks early. There were things to do here and the nfl had more time to prepare than any other league. They were and they. They didn't do anything. I remember sitting here talking to the summer. About how like is the nfl. Just really good to just do this like normal. And then they did try to zoo like normal like why you had so much time to figure this out. And these seem very predictable. The none of this is really surprising. Yes of course they were going to be outbreaks really. I was more surprised that there weren't big outbreaks until this week except for tennessee while maybe they were lulled into a false sense of security by the fact that yes up until justin turner tested positive on the in the last game the world series baseball had been doing pretty good and yes they had a bubble for the postseason although the the reports afterward kind of make it debatable. As to how much bubba how airtight. It was at least but they didn't have a bubble for the stretch run of the regular season and still managed to keep things under control. The nfl itself kept things under control mostly early in the season so they may have been lulled into a false sense of security that was also correlated with the fact that cases were not anywhere near as high then as they are now temperatures were higher like all the things you know that that we know at large is contributing to the spread increasing. Now just were not in place when the nfl was kind of biding. Its time waiting for the season to star and so they may have you know prepared for conditions as if they had continued indefinitely as they were in like you. July august september. Yeah and the big issue here. Also is just ridiculous inconsistency in how they're making these decisions i mean look at the broncos being forced to play that game and also the broncos mind you was a team that because of covid rescheduling earlier in the year lost their by week. I mean they got a bye week but they practice that week so it's not a real by week which is significant for the players. Because that means they don't get a true week off so the broncos had already been hit by that and then they have to go play this game whereas the leaks seems to be bending over backwards. You know moving the the steelers and the ravens from thursday to tuesday to wednesday and you know the sort of rank and file. Nfl teams not the sort of the premier teams in the premier. Matchups clearly aren't treated the same way as the teams involved in these marquee games that the nfl cares about a lot. And i don't know how much of it is spin with like leaks coming out but definitely the nfl or people reporting on the nfl might have sources in the nfl have tried to kind of spend it where it's like. Oh is the broncos own fault. They tried to spend this narrative of while the broncos quarterbacks were spending a lot of time together not wearing masks they didn't wear their tracking devices and so they sort of cast the broncos to their fate. You know i think that that And even the broncos said they felt like they were being made an example out of. So i don't know how much of that is. After the fact the nfl trying to spin it to be like well. We did this because they deserved it right. And i mean. I think with the ravens. They were actually spared because they had a bigger outbreak. Which seems ridiculous. Like the broncos had a much more contained situation and they knew exactly what had happened. They could have postponed that game by just a couple of days and ben able to play it with the quarterbacks and here we postponed the ravens game by now six days they still have. I mean they've had more. Ironically they went way fewer players coburn. If they just played on thanksgiving wrong they now after twenty two players who have either tested positive or have been identified as high risk close contacts just over the past ten days twenty two players and now ironic like mark ingram and jk dobbins. Who were i think. The original sources of the outbreak are now going to be able to play tuesday. Or i'm sorry wednesday because they waited so long so i mean these competitive implications though so i i do. Think these teams You know a team like number has every right to be upset about this. I think people were like well. The broncos you know they're not going to make the playoffs we'll the saints are gonna make the playoffs and with the saints have won that game against a functioning offense. I mean the saints terrible to right. That was the joke right. The the broncos don't have a quarterback to start just needs to have a quarterback they're not starting Guess maybe the saints. We're trying to level the playing field But barrister right exactly. It was a terrible situation because saints the one thing they do grade. Stop the run. I run defense. Like historically good and then here comes the team. That's like well we're not gonna pass. We're only gonna rub. I was so excited when kendall hinton hit that that one completion. Like good job kid. You know if. I'm the packers. I'm not happy about that game because the saints are in pretty good position right now for the number one seed in the nfc. I don't know for sure if they win that game if if drew lock is playing at quarterback for denver. And that does matter. I mean that that should matter. I saw someone A someone tweet about how you know here. The packers have had two consecutive games where their opponent had ten days to prepare for them and their the saints had the broncos without a quarterback like what's happening so the nfl is so is is focused on fairness. They're they're losing it. In other ways. I mean and the other thing. Is that the safety of the players involved. You know it's not really safe to put a wide receiver out there to force a team to play like that. They couldn't find a. I also saw people say why aren't you signing colin kaepernick. They couldn't because of the protocols new signee needed six days before they could actually join the team. So the broncos really had no other choice here when all the league would have had to do as was postponed the game by two days. It just seems it seems unfair in a lot of ways and i think you're right meal that the that the league was trying to make an example but i'm not sure that right the correct lesson is going to be learned from that well one lesson could be just like we joked about this in the nfl yesterday but like have the designated survivor. Have the have the guy. Who's the josh mccown type. Where you like sign them. And then you're like okay. Please go away now. And don't call us we'll call you Just i mean. I'm not sure that would have made a difference if you had you know. Say like blake. Bortles was told to stay distant from the team and he didn't expose You know get exposed to to cove it. It would have made some difference. Obviously they would've had a an actual quarterback. Would they have won. I mean may against tastes them hill. Like you said. Sarah like maybe. I don't know if the nfl was a restaurant just serving food at thirty two locations around the country they would have been shut down. I mean this is a dangerous to the health of not only the players but everyone involved everyone on the sidelines. Everyone that interacts with that team. What they're doing right now. Just in many senses doesn't make sense in and they should've. They should've built in more safeguards against this cause because look what happens in the playoffs. You know that that really is the existential threat. Let's say the chief circuit ready for their divisional match up and they have an outbreak. And you know patrick. Mahomes is in kobe protocol and all this. What do they do now. They've established precedent on either side. Saying if you're just isolated to you one position group. And we're not looking at the depth chart like we did with the broncos we're looking at the total number then we but if all the chiefs quarterbacks around you know i guess doubts mainly patrick. Mahomes and chad handy or whatever but you know they might not take the same. I i think we know they won't take the stance so i think they'll need to figure out how to deal with that because that is where you'll get players organizations in a lot of fans really upset at and how they're handling this like everyone is sort of in the same boat here. It's dangerous for everyone to be playing during a pandemic so it's like well. You guys were made the slightly worst decision that every player for playing in general I just that doesn't sit well with me. Also you know the saints law. They were fined. Five hundred thousand dollars loss to seventh round draft. Pick for celebrating without masks on so again like there are lots of behaviors that are maybe slightly less safe than than the league would want. The punishments are so drastically different to force the team to play a game without the most important position on the field risking. The safety of everyone involved really When you have someone. Who's not know. Kendall hinton did you know did as well as could be expected but that was kind of risky to have someone who hadn't played quarterback in many many years and was not really ready to go take the field. That's you know isn't that that's a safety problem as well. But it's not the safety problem that the league cares about looking like it's tough on so it's not the one they're gonna care about to be honest talking about the punishment i think one thing to do is personally. I think they should make the punishments more severe The only way to really do that. It's not going to be money and it's not gonna be drastic. It's going to be forfeiting games. And i think the broncos a risky to your point sarah's a risky forfeit because they still had to go out there and play it would have been easier if they just said we'll take the l in many sent the ravens should say that's a loss you know the ravens lost the steelers because they couldn't feel enough players and and we're not willing to change are scheduled to accommodate that. And you know what frankly this is not impossible. The seattle seahawks have not had one. Kobe positive test which is remarkable. I mean it really is testament to pete carroll. I mean you could argue being in the state of washington where things are Compared to the rest of the country not nearly as bad Probably helps them. But a lot of this comes from the organization you know there was an announcement that were tightening. The protocols in pete carroll said will be barred even playing under those tighter protocols and so kudos to them and they're also showing that you can do this and maybe the only way to really make that clear is to say. That's a loss for the whole team. Because you guys had this outbreak a part of that sounds kind of unfair. And i think it is unfair. But if they're not gonna you know. Start opening out the back end of the schedule in the playoffs schedule than i don't know what else to do well and this goes back also to something that we said before the season but also just in regard to sports in twenty twenty. Is that staying. Free of covid as possible is going to be like a a skill for a lack of a better term. Like that is a that is going to be a key. Aspect of winning. The championship of twenty twenty is not getting the virus in not having outbreaks. So and that's the the seahawks were winning and the the ravens and and some of these other teams are losing. Yeah no. I think that's right. And i think that that should be a part of our part of the context around this season when we do get into the playoffs and we get a champion. That like there was more going on here and some of these teams really did conduct themselves. exemplary in an exemplary fashion. Well we expect this will only get messier but in the hope that it doesn't should update our football survivor pool. We had some close calls over the holiday Games browns almost killed me man. I know almost killed me. Is the moment. I really thought you guys were both gonna lose an i was just like let's go all star games. Were at the same time. Which was the giants in. You know when. I saw that danny. Yeah they call him in new york Maybe it's surpassed when pulled mccoy came in. Yeah i know that wasn't a team. I bet on him and that was the bengals and jaguar's fan there for like a but everyone did did win so the standing the point. Stand at kneel at nine sarah at eight and at seven There's still time here but not as much so the order. This week is sarah jeff neal. So i had sort of gamed out going into last week. I was going to get to pick against the jets two weeks in a row because i had the second pick last week but neil. It already picked the dolphins. So i got the dolphins against the jets and then i have the first pick this week. And then the raiders went and played a terrible game against atlanta. So now i'm like oh no. Am i really going to do this. But yes i am. Because it's still the jets and I don't think the raiders will look that bad two weeks in a row also It's the jets has said before. So i'm going with the las vegas raiders. I almost called them. Oakland but didn't jeff who you got yet in raiders do seem to play in their teams level. A lot are they're definitely gonna be playing a pretty low level. But i do think you're right that i i don't see that happening. Twice in a row with the raiders. Anyway i will take the miami dolphins like dolphins. I've been high on the dolphins for a couple of weeks. Now i think they're for real and this is kind of my anti borough lists bengals fame from last two weeks. Yep let's get back and knew who do you have all right so i believe i have not taken the packers yet. Is that right. Yes oh. I'm gonna take the packers at home against the eagles who just continue to every time you think they can't look worse they look worse carson wentz's really just out of sorts So i like the packers in that game. Amat won the judge anyone's picks here Just go back to the tampa bay pekka a few weeks ago by me. But it's interesting that you guys broke kind of hoarding the chiefs. I mean that's how that's how this works right. You realized name also controversy. Would maybe resting star wars. Just saying i think even with the chiefs backups. They could probably still Just saying you're you're homes chiefs window may be closing our point lebron's basis with. Hey remember when. Jeff took the the mike years. There's game beltway wasn't it it indeed. It was a terrible pick. Was no yeah. It wasn't a good season is important context. Don't question my my picks. If the raiders are gonna lose now in the jets are gonna get their first win. And i'm going to be so very upset. You can also took the vikings the playoff contending. Vikings in fact i could not save them and they lost to the cowboys soon. All right we'll see what happens with those picks and we'll take a quick break and be back in a moment to talk about college football firsts but first hot take down is brought to you this week by better help. This year has been a lot and we all could use some support. Getting what's left of two thousand twenty and beyond better help. Online counseling offers licensed professional therapists to help with all kinds of issues from anxiety and depression to difficulty sleeping family and relationship conflicts and more. 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Winning women's soccer team took to the football field as a kicker and became the first woman to play in a power five football game. Katie is the first woman to play in any. Fbs game at the university of new mexico in two thousand two fuller. Got a call to join the team. After multiple members of andy's special teams unit tested positive for covid nineteen and she played exactly one snap against missouri on saturday vanderbilt. Lost the game forty. One zero was never in a position to even try it. Field goal so fuller only had to kick off once at the start of the second half incidentally vanderbilt head coach. Derek mason was fired after that game. Which was the commodores tries on the season but the reaction to fuller has been overwhelmingly positive on espn's k. j. z. Show he shawn johnson. Jay williams and zubin mohanty discussed how great the opportunity for fuller was and yet how much more vanderbilt on the field. She's going to be the best kicker in the history of andy. When this all over yes indeed. Because remember right. Now it's strange. She had to kick off. But because jay said they lost forty-one nothing no extra points no feel nothing really went down but great for her and her south about these jobs and stuff for coaches. That's the job that. If i see that area code and vandy i don't care what school i'm and i'm gonna look at that the like cool. 'cause you can't win at vandy. Only james franklin has done it in the modern era really is bobby is okay for a minute but yeah really hard. Can you imagine if you're sarah you like. Please just get into field. Goal range chance. We's so how big a deal was this. Jeff does it matter that fuller only got the call because of cova dead or that she only kicked once or is it important no matter the circumstances only matters to me. I mean look this. Sec football though me and that is the top of granted. It's vanderbilt football Against the team that has been in that. Sec- that long but So it's the bottom of the sec pyramid But that's still significant. I mean that's a huge deal. It's a huge huge accomplishment to make that team You know. I a friend michigan. Who was a high school soccer star in. In one time he was out there taking a you know just messing around in forty fifty yard field goals and we were like triumph from the team and the team like basically wanted to send him to kick her camp and they they saw that he could hit bugles. That was not enough. You know like they even being a ticker at in in the power. Five conference of any conference is really. There are a lot of people who can qualify for those Those roles of these schools and it is nothing. I know. it's not a great football program in a pretty bad team but it is still amazing significant to make the roster. Because i don't think they were doing it as a gimmick or anything like that. I actually think it was her talent. That was got her deposition on that role on that team. Yeah i think that's right. I mean no. She would not have been called had the kickers that they had all been healthy and able to play but it it wasn't a publicity stunt at all. It was really. Hey you can do this come. Help us Yeah which does seem which does seem significant. I think. Neil what do you think. The likelihood is of more women kicking power five schools in the next few years. Is this unique to a place like vanderbilt. Which has a hard time. Winning in the sec. And there are also smaller school and you know at least comparatively so they have no less of a pool like you know. I mentioned michigan giant state school. And there's people all over the place who played you all sorts of different highschool levels in different sports. But it's still a big deal. And i think that it's only going to kind of grow over Over the you know next handful of years. Because like sarah fuller was a trail is a trailblazer in the power five. But she wasn't the first woman to kick in a division one game you mention katie night. She was the first woman to score in an fbi game playing for new mexico. That was in two thousand three. You've had april loss you've had ashley. Martin becca longo A lot of you know former soccer players I think in all of these cases But they've gotten scholarships to Division even football championship subdivision teams. In so i think you're seeing a lot. More women kick in general in football and not just be limited to where maybe in the past. They would have been kinda relegated to what it's like. Well your girl. He can't play football. You have to play the. I guess the other football soccer And there's a lot of crossover in skill there and we've seen carli. Lloyd hit fifty five. Yard field goals at eagles. Practice to be honest. I don't know why an nfl team hasn't signed her You know maybe. She's just not interested in playing obviously this year. I don't know why anyone would be interested if carlo he wouldn't wanna play in in pandemic football but it just goes to show that like it's kinda perfect opportunity for women to make the breakthrough in football because it is sort of skill that is so comparable between other sports that we've already seen women excel in and then some work soccer. Yeah so some of the criticisms about her plane had to do with safety which is not that different from my criticism. About kendall hinton plane entirely new position for the broncos This was a new position for sarah fuller. She had only a week to prepare for an entirely new sport. So so i'm going to assume that at least at least some of the twitter trolls inventing fuller getting walloped by linebacker. We're doing it from a place of actual concern. Jeff should that be taken into account that these football dudes are huge and a woman on the field could actually get hurt. I mean most likely not. I mean we like once in a blue moon will see a kicker Happened approval with sean taylor in that country All time great pro which we want to give you definitely widespread highlight of sean taylor. Crushing was it. Brian moorman at forget the thing. That's right there's no It can get a little dicey on a long kick return. But look i mean. She's not small right. He was bigger than the other ticker on the roster right. but she's six one knicks. She's actually taller than one of the other kickers on the team and he is also sixty right. There you go. She would be fine. Considering this scenario would be having to be the last ditch. Tackle on a long kickoff return you know. I mean chelsea squib kick so there were avoiding them return which most teams do anyway kick. Return is all but extinct in college. Football this point one of the so i was looking at the vanderbilt roster listing last night and they give the heights in the wade's for all the players They listed her height but not her weight which i found very funny like like. There's this just dumb gendered belt. Wait like you're going to not lists for eight on. They're like whoa. It was it was impolite to ask. Was she going to kick the field goals if they had the opportunity. That was the plan. I think so. You just couldn't get it. Sometimes they have. I didn't know if she's a kickoff. Long field goals specialists. Which is what sometimes do of most teams do at the college level where you have a big roster but that would that's too bad. It's too bad vanderbilt. Didn't even score so she couldn't do an extra point or another kickoff. But yeah i mean there's still time the i think she's going to be on the team again when they play this weekend Although everything is sort of in disarray now with the the coach fire by was going to say that one of the kickers on the vanderbilt roster one of the male kickers is five foot. Seven weighs one hundred sixty five pounds so miss me with this lake thanking and again they are wearing pads and helmets gets out. There was also some chatter online about the the kick itself. Now ex coach. Derek mason clarified. That it was intentionally designed as a script kick to play fuller strengths in how she normally kicks a soccer ball so she did exactly what she was asked to do. But it didn't necessarily look incredible. i i don't know if the those twitter trolls would've been kept at bay of she had like boomed cake out of the end zone. But but does that actually matter neil. How should we manage our expectations. That the first person to do something should also be amazing at it. Well i do think it was a little unfair to kind of Maker squib kick it because it definitely did not look what we're expecting you can almost hear you know the whoev- whatever kind of crowd they had. I don't know what kind of crowd they had. But in the clip you can kind of hear them get really excited. And then when she actually does the kick. They're like sort of like this like Again to your point was asked to do that. It's not like she. You know she could have kicked it. Further presumably and. I think that that was a little unfair when you have this like You know boundary breaking moment You wanna see. You know. Like jackie robinson larry doby. When they broke the color barrier baseball they were hall of famers. They were like some of the best players ever in they instantly sort of. You could immediately prove that like. Oh it was ridiculous that these guys weren't allowed to play. And i think if she had been able to you know had been allowed to kick it out of the back of the end zone that would have sent an incredible message. And so i think instead obviously was intentional. They funneled the The coverage team over to the right and it was to protect her. But i do think that it's a little bit of kind of having it both ways where it's like. Well if we think she's six to it she's not likely to even be asked to make a tackle but probably could be slow down somebody if not the why not let her kick it out of the back so i think in some ways. We were robbed of a kind of a more incredible moment. Somebody joked on twitter that like someday when they make a movie about this she's gonna kick it out of the back end zone. It's not gonna be in the squib kick. And i don't doubt that she could do it again. We've seen soccer players be able to kick the ball in incredible distance. I'm not worried about that. And so i think they. Maybe there's a reason. Derek mason the ex coach of vanderbilt Because she should there are lots of. There's a lot of reasons. This is not the straw that broke the camel's back but like he should let her cut loose. What difference would it have made. I think it would have been such a more incredible statement to just let her do that and nobody could have so. I think it would have totally silence. Any trolls on twitter about. Oh this is just a pr son or whatever because you couldn't say that if it like look like a normal kick whereas now they have cover to be like oh she could only kick it describe kicker whatever when it's like yes. She did that on purpose. And the coach Probably should've asked her to do enormous at need. This is. this is domeless on the trolls. It was a squib kick. It was perfectly executed. Teams through script. Kicks all the time she didn't exactly doing a squib kick in the second. Half when you're down by like you've just given up at that point it just was sad. You don't want the team opportunity and returned ball and you see team. What isn't it. What are the odds of team returning kick. If you're so bad that you think the odds are significant that a team will return a kick on you like again. Derek mason should should have been fired but look she Two things vanderbilt is bad there. I mean i don't think they're they're return. A- coverage game is good anyway like regardless of who they have kicking the ball. They're not a good team. In general to it was she had just joined the team. I really do think they were trying to like do the kick. They knew she could do. I am not i mean. I don't know if. I assume she has the ability to kick it out of the end zone. Doing your first kick in a game with a team. You haven't played with before having just joined the team. I do think that's a little bit trickier and i don't blame him for setting her up. For what would be you know. Success for what they wanted. I also don't blame him for not taking into account what people on twitter would say about the cake after it happened to right like he was doing i think he was doing what he thought was best for her and was best for his team So i didn't mind that it was a squib cake. I also thank like. I've seen bad kicks made by scholarship players regularly on my team. In fact my teens kicking his terrible all the time. Terrible so like this is not. It didn't seem like oh. That's such a bad kick to me. That seemed like yeah. That is a kick made in college football game. That looked very familiar to me. Yeah no one would bring twice a minute if there was anyone else creighton. No i mean that happens all the time and so i do understand your point. Neil that like it would have been nice to have this movie this hollywood moment but but this is sort of the thing about about having a about this situation and like why why. It's a little bit unfortunate that we're not having scholarship practicing female players. And instead she was a last resort and added to the team just begin desperation and so they had to put her in a place where they thought you know. Everyone would succeed the best she had been on scholarship at had been with the team this whole semester. It's a different thing i think. Anyway i hope that she plays against georgia and that she kicks it. Feel next time. Gino what would guarantee her cerebellar a really any female take her intelligence football. A permanent job is shit. Learns how to master the onside kick which kickers have not have clearly lost the ability to do part of. It's the rules but that all of a sudden becomes an essential weapon for any college football team especially a bad eligible team that is often in that situation. She got a job in the. Nfl achieved gets that onside kick. Oh man if you're an onside kick specialist. How amazing that would be a very valuable player. Like if you feel now reliably make get onside. Kicks your team recovers. I don't know what percentage of the time even if it's like what's the right now. It's a if it's like five percent if that If you could make it like ten percent of the time would how valuable would that player beat. You think you'd need magic to do it. It's like impossible but there go magic. That's what we need in the nfl. I think we can put up in this discussion for now. We'll be back in a moment for a rabbit hole of the week. But i hot take done is brought to you this week. By dr king's thanksgiving is behind us now. That were all rested and relaxed. It's time to review the tape and prepare for this week's games. There is no better place to get in on all the action than with draftkings official daily fantasy partner of the nfl. To add to this week's excitement. Dr king's has a free shot millions of dollars in total prices. 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Various rabbit holes data suddenly stories. Some don't we and each week's show with one of these descents how takedown rabbit hole of the week. Neil taken away okay. So let's dive a little bit more into the numbers from that broncos saints scam because we talked about it earlier. But i don't i don't think we really have given it the deep dive that it deserves and although you know we feel for denver's healthy players. Their playoff hopes as slim as they were basically eradicated because they had to play this game instead of it. Being postponed feel for kendall hinton he was asked to do something he should never have been put in a position pun intended to do. But let's be honest weird stuff like this also has rabbit hole written all over it. It really. when i saw this was happening i was like this is probably gonna be the rabbit hole horror this week. Show so hinton. He went one for nine. Thirteen yards two interceptions. One sack a qbr of zero point. One this is on the zero to one hundred scale of qbr. Which definitely was one of the worst games ever by a quarterback. If we're gonna call him that. He was their starter at quarterback. Although he didn't take the first snap of the game I think phillip lindsay was. Was that so i guess maybe call him. The starting quarterback who knows what to do with this game Since espn started calculating qbr in two thousand six though only two other games achieved a qbr of zero point. One one was. Rex grossman of the bears against the packers. In december of two thousand six. The other was chris. Redman of the falcons against the bucks in december two thousand seven. That was the falcons team where their coach quit in the middle of the season. Mike vick had gone to prison. For dogfighting chris. Redmond's kinda thrown. He can relate to kindle hinton in this situation But both of those guys at least crack thirty passing yards in their terrible game. Hinton again had thirteen but as bad as he was there been worst performances if we zoom out a little bit on football history so since nineteen fifty there have been six games were a passer attempted at least nine throws and completed zero of them. Hinton had one completion at least Five of those came in nineteen eighty or earlier but one belong to cordell slash stewart of the steelers in one thousand nine hundred seven. He went over ten. He didn't throw any picks but he was sacked. Also so that game kind of in the neighborhood again. It was an example of a guy who was a receiver slash quarterback Who was asked to throw and did not throw well on that particular day as a team. The broncos produced just twelve net passing yards between hinton royce freeman Lindsay all these various snack. Snap takers Just the second time since two thousand that a team finished with one or fewer completions in a game. The forty niners cody. Pickett went one for thirteen for twenty eight yards and an interception against the bears in two thousand five those a classic seventeen nine bears style when They were also the first team with more interceptions in a game than completion. Since the ryan leaf lead chargers in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight against the kansas city chiefs but again there have been other historical teams. Who did just as bad as the broncos at passing if not worse since nineteen forty there have been thirty one games where a team had a passer rating of zero point zero like the broncos and even fewer net passing yards than denver did on sunday in nineteen seventy six. There was a game. Where the packers lynn dickey and carlos brown a collective five for twenty three with negative thirty five net yards and three interceptions in a game against the bengals on sax in that game. Obviously those negative thirty five yards and nine hundred. Seventy six was the dark age for passing a far cry from twenty twenty but as recently as two thousand nine. There was a snowy game at foxboro for the tennessee. Titans were kerry collins and vince young combined to go to for fourteen for negative seven net yards and two picks part of a fifty nine. Nothing lost to the new england patriots. Compared with that things actually could have been worse for hinton and the broncos they could lost fifty nine to nothing and maybe one reason why it didn't was that the saints were using gadget passer receiver swiss army knife. Whatever tastes him. Hill quarterback in drew brees. His absence hill. Actually look pretty good last week. Against the falcons. But he in this game. He went nine for sixteen for seventy eight yards no touchdowns three sacks and pick. He himself had a qbr thirty three point. That's not great league averages over fifty knowing denver's quarterback situation. I'm pretty sure on sean. Payton's game plan was just for hill to kind of manage things to the victory. Wouldn't have been that hard as long as you avoid too. Many mistakes beat a team without quarterbacks but it resulted in this game where combined the broncos and saints had just seventy five net passing yards between both teams which was only the third time that had happened since nineteen eighty two. The other two cases both came in week seventeen which produced some pretty funny stat lines of their own. One of them was in two thousand three. The chargers who were led by drew brees. That's all long. He's been playing. He went fifteen for twenty eight with seventy four net yards. That's not great. But he beat the raiders. Who started rick. Mirer went four for eleven for negative. Fourteen net yards then was replaced by t martin shoutout to the nineteen ninety eight tennessee volunteers. Who went to for eleven with a pick but at least he gained fourteen yards and seven years after that. The jets. I don't know if you remember this game jeff. The jets shellacked the bengals on the last day of the regular season. And you had to know that. In a game notable for passing performance mark sanchez would have been involved. He went eight for sixteen with sixty three yards. A perfectly sanchez. Ian performance on the other side bengals started carson. Palmer was to be honest to be. Quite frank hinton esque he was one for eleven for zero yards and an interception before being replaced by. The quintessential journeyman backup. Jt o'sullivan was three for eight with zero net yards as well after you back at the the numbers from sex and sadly that was palmer's last game as cincinnati bengals a fitting send-off for the one time pro bowl quarterback for them So anyway i think for all of us kind of thinking about this game going in the bronco saints game. There were maybe hopes that it would recall. Miami's epoch wildcat formation win over the patriots in two thousand eight with ronnie brown and evoking memories of brown who gained one hundred and thirteen yards on the ground intact on nineteen more in the air. He had five total touchdown as he was involved in was probably denver's only real chance to be competitive. But we have to remember in that game. Dolphins quarterback chad pennington was seventeen for twenty for two hundred twenty six yards as well helping miami roll up four hundred and sixty one yards of total offense so really in order for the wildcat to work. Yes you need to have someone who can run the ball but you also have have had some credible threat of passing to keep the defense on its toes when you aren't snapping the ball directly to a running back and we saw the broncos do that somewhat vaguely effectively for a couple of plays on their first drive but then the saints realized that they really had no other option other than that and the game turned into a disaster. Hopefully we won't ever have to see a team be put in that situation again but it did make for some pretty bizarre and historic numbers and that means it made for a rabbit. Always out cycle jets game No do you were witnessing history. I didn't i do remember. It was freezing just very very cold and very windy so. I'm sure that i'm actually curious. How many of these games. You mentioned where whether played a major factor. You would assume it would. Yeah it says it says at pro football reference twenty degrees with a seventeen mile per hour wind and a wind chill of four degrees at kickoff in that game. God when he was it was fun because The jets were going to the playoffs and they a good defense they play. That was the one where they played the bengals next week in the wild card. So it's kind of weird back to back games. I was surprised that the wildcat wasn't just used all the or like a triple option or some like run. Just run just run the ball all the time but and you're obviously going to do that but like do it in a more creative way. Lots of team could have played. The option teams knew going in that the team they were facing was going to play the option and they still couldn't stop them right and that's the whole green it's like they always say with the service academies that from if you were to bet on football in theory you look earn teams that obscene. The option a lot or play the option of bunch. Because if it's the first time seeing it in any individual season and you're you're not used to that those. It seems that usually shredded by the option. The paul johnson era georgia tech georgia tech one games with the option and people obvious want rubbed brick in orange not offense. There's also been great named teams that it was very hard to stop it legitimately. Good navy teams An army was okay a couple of years ago but yeah that offense is complicated and you can't just install out on the fly. I mean it's very populated. It's all practice. That was what i was going to say is like if you could imagine some kind of alternative situation where they had like a week or more to install this but still couldn't sign a quarterback and they were in the same situation you have to think they would have put in some kind of like triple auction or you know single wing or sell as some kind of a crazy maybe the pistol makes an appearance in some of these but they would have done a lot better because like you said jeff. It's such an intricate offense that once you master it. The other team has no idea what's happening. They can't even replicated in practice. And so you have that advantage. But you're not gonna install that offense in like twenty four hour notice. Yeah for that's fair. I suppose it is easier to like. Have someone who has thrown a quarterback throwing a ball before like throw short swing houses or or the screen or something. That was what surprised me in that game. How many of the throws were longer throws like he's throwing down. Feel that it's picked off like yes like. Why are you throwing field. I guess just to to to make it a possibility. But i resent the threat of that to get out of the box. Because i'm sure they were the whole team. Up near london scrimmage and that was another key for the georgia tech option teams was like all almost all of our completions. Were super long. There there were no short completions. Because you not throwing to gain you know five to ten yards you were running for that So i kinda could see. They were going for there. But it's like kindle hinton there's a reason why he could not hold onto the quarterback job at wake forest and got switched to receiver. It's a little tough to ask him to do that. against an nfl decent. I'm just surprise. The broncos didn't have anyone else on roster. I mean i know they were like lobbying. The lead to get an assistant. Cystic coach to play quarterback. But which would have been wild in the implications of that. It's like hey so. Suddenly our quality control coach. is tony. romo tell you own makes way more money. You're gonna have to pay him way too much. It's not feasible but You think they would have like a julian. Edelman type like a guy who played significant quarterback at college somewhere on the roster because you receive see some of these guys on the back or wide receiver options. Throw really good balls in that. You look in know might have been a former quarterback or at least a high school quarterback elements usually good for at least probably like a touchdown pass a year. It feels for sure. Yeah that was interesting That game while you know it's funny too. I feel like that going back to our conversation that game. A lot of people wanted to watch it because they wanted to see. Just how bad it would be. And i wonder if that's like the wrong message to send the nfl like like let's just have madness ensued. Everyone will want to watch. And the ratings will be great and like i you know maybe we should have all turned it off. Well i think people wanted to watch it early. Because of the weirdness of it but also like oh my gosh can they do this and then you watch like one drive from them and you're like they're gonna get murdered and then you turn off the game. I feel like that must have been what probably also like the saints. Were so bad in the first quarter to that. Maybe a lot of people were like. Yeah we don't have to do this to ourselves. Let's go watch a good game. I mean you just look at from a from a betty line stan. I think it went up from spread of six with. I guess like who was gonna start. Lock a rippin or one of those guys. I think it closed in around seventeen and that is significant. I mean we've seen lines move when a quarterback gets injured like six or seven points but to move you know upwards of ten points is quite significant yet. I think our model wasn't really prepared. Throw them all. Yeah we assigned endel hinton a value of zero which is the value. That represents an undrafted rookie starting quarterback but we didn't have a value to assign a not quarterback starting also being an you know an undrafted rookie or or whatever he was so i think if we had to do it again we should have assigned him like a negative one hundred washington signed carson wentz. These days oh jeff. That's harsh take take the opportunities where it can Right well i think we can. We can wrap up the rebel there with a parting shot at carson wentz. Okay great burns. Yeah okay that will do it for this week's show. We'll be back in your next tuesday. If you like what you heard. Please subscribe and if you subscribe. Please pray and reviews on your podcast app of choice. It really does help. New people discover the shelf. You can also email us at podcast at five thirty eight dot com to let us know what you think our podcast producer. 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"It's the tree line special eagles in Texans pickup new if imperfect weapons Dante Fowler bills. A big need for the Rams and why the Packers and Mayans who've valuable veteran lots of love for the Panthers. The end of Jameson Tampa and previewing Brady versus Rogers and end saints. Rams. It's all on a very big show of the NFL, deep dive podcast. Hello and welcome to the m Huby NFL, deep dive high gas. I m Gary gramling he is. And even OI d-. Let's go ahead and call this the trade deadline special every show is special in its own way. But we'll call this one a special officially we're gonna talk the the the five big trade deadline deals that happened this week. And then we'll we'll talk about some of these headlining games. But I don't know. I think it was the expected amount of movement though, we did have some surprising, individual trades. Andy. It's it's fun that we're kind of rivaling the the open floor podcast guys. Now that we get to talk about player movement like this in heavy anticipated signing days in trading deadlines, the NFL's become much more of an acquisition league lately. And I don't know we've looked at it. I who was the Andrew branch right about it on our site. I don't know exactly why. This has happened all of us on the teams are more comfortable trading now than they used to. B but I do think it's more fun yet. Brent did write a column. I think a big reasons they just they pushed it back. There are know they've never used to be buyers and sellers this time of year. I think they push it back. And I think we also as I mentioned at the end of the last show, I think there's more of an appetite for tearing down teams and doing the long term rebuild among the fan bases. And I think that's a bit of a shame. But that's that's the way it goes now. So teams are doing it. Well, and we're going to get into some of these traits. I also think not every time that a team trades. They're tearing down the yeah. Tate, ha ha Clinton Dix. And we'll talk about that. In fact, I'll let you just take over and roll us through these. But I agree with you to a certain extent. I know you're not seeing every team does it. But I don't think it's as much of a tear down sometimes as it might appear. That's a that's actually a really good point. And that's why a couple of these deals were so surprising. We talk about the Amari Cooper A last week. If you want to hear our take on that you can go back in your feed and find that. But we're talking about me five trades happened since the end of week eight and we're going to start with golden Tate. I thought this was the most surprising one because everyone these other deals there was some smoke. We were hearing some whispers about the guys involved, the golden Tate one, you know, we were we were gearing up for him probably leaving Detroit after the season as a free agent. But the lions the lions are in this thing. And I know a lot of people will go lines and say, well, they can't beat the top teams. And they they beat the patriots and the beat the Packers. So I, you know, granted it's at home. And and if they snuck into the playoffs in the play in the road, that's the thing. But this team is is certainly not in a position where they're saying. Well, twenty is going to be a long shot. Let's let's look forward. And absolutely. They're not in that kind of position in. What's also interesting. They really don't have another slot receiver on the roster. I think they're receiving cores deep. Enough. I love Kenny golladay Marvin Jones to me as their number two now. And he's a great number two TJ Jones is not played a lot. But that's going to change. I think they're fine there. But golden Tate was such a pure slot weapon. Maybe they handled that they view feel Riddick as that kind of guy now form, I don't know who will fill the void with Tate. And I agree with you that they're very much in contention. He's still an excellent player. So that was a little bit surprising. But they got a good return for didn't. They would they get a third and a fifth round pick for them. They did they I think they just got a three in that one. Okay. But so you get. So you get three so a three for a guy that you don't anticipate re-signing. That's that's basically a third round pick for eight games of not having him. Yeah. And I'll get ten in the second. I just want to back it up real quick. I really don't have any information or take on Brandon Powell. But Dave Birkett of the Detroit Free Press who is the fine beat writer out. There says Brandon Powell is the guy who is being considered internally as the heir-apparent golden Tate, and they had sort of building that up. He's a he's a smallest guy at a Florida. You know, he's he same. He's a five eight receiver. He'll play the slot. So that that might be if they like him internally that might have motivated this as well. Yeah. As far as the compensation goes. And obviously a big part of this discussion to be the comp picks. And what are the lions gonna get now? This would be a pig. They'd beginning in the twenty twenty draft. If they kept golden. Eight and he left this off season. I think a question is the what is golden Tate going to be worth on the open market as thirty year old receiver, but also taking into consideration? And and our Kaelin keilor actually wrote about this in in this week college column, it's another bad class of receivers coming out of a coming out of college this year coming into the draft. So there aren't a lot of options out there. If you want immediate upgrade at receiver golden Tate, even though he's thirty even though he's a bit specialized with what he does. You know, it's kind of like Jarvis Landry last year. You can't really find an upgrade any other way. No unless remember few years ago because we I'm guilty of this too. We talk about golden Tate as a slot only wide receiver, but a few years ago he was in everything receiver. Remember in was I think it's twenty fourteen his first year with Detroit, I think Calvin Johnson was hurt for part of the or Calvin Johnson just left. Maybe whatever it was. I remember tape. They moved them all over the formation yet. Thirteen hundred yards receiving that year. He doesn't have to play only the slot. And I think that's a pertinent conversation. A for his free agency mix off season, which we're touching on. But be and actually more immediately for what he'll do in Philadelphia because Nelson Adler has to play the slot. He is only guy and Philly doesn't have other guys at whiteout. So I think they've you Tate as more of an everything wide receiver who happens to be very good. When he is in the slot. Would you be open to the scenario? And I honestly I. Don't have a strong opinion on this one way or another would you be open to the scenario of putting aga- lower back outside which is what he was kind of drafted as what he obviously struggled as early on in his career moving him outside and then using Tate as your primary slot guy. Or I mean, realistically, they could also do a little mix and match with those with those roles to. Yeah. And I'm sure they will mix and match everybody mixes and matches you have to. If you want to be a diverse offense. I think it's so clear that Aguilar's so much better inside the gap between yours and inside and outside receiver is so much bigger than the gap between Tate is an inside and outside receiver. So I would not mess around with a whole lot. But I would not be shocked if they do I mean, maybe maybe they do view it as an opportunity and really all we're talking about is you have to get the guy clean access off the snap Agnew. Lord. This is so you can put them in motion and jet motion. He's kind of their move. Player and you can continue to do that. And that's a way to use him. And you can have Tate in the slot nagged or still doing some of that stuff. So it just depends. It depends. But the other thing Gary Dallas got her coming along. And maybe they want to be too tight end offense. Whatever it is. They've got options now, and they did not have options before I think there will be a domino effect with having Tate there. Yeah. And look overall this is the second year. The eagles have made a trade deadline deal last year as JJ they they are. They are down guys this year. I mean, they kind of needed more weapons, and golden Tate might not be perfect. You you might look that team and say we need we need a downfield threat to complement what they have. But you know. Mike Wallace's hurt. My Collins is out Janis out, Trey Burton Torrey Smith Brett Seelig Garrett blunt. Those are all guys they had last year who they no longer have this make sense. Just you add another weapon, even if it's not the perfect fit. What they what they do. And they certainly are creative enough on the offensive side of the ball that they can potentially get some things going here. I'm with you. Let's go. Let's go to Mary Thomas to to Houston here. And there was a rumor that the Texans had asked the patriots about Philip door set. And for some reason just the OCD and be kind of saw that and said, well that's just perfect because now you you know, you lost will fuller. And now you get the poor man's will fuller to to step in for him to marry psalms. His obviously not stylistically the same thing as will fuller here. But again, this is a team that just they were short on weapons after fuller went down. They were already thin even with fuller. So now, adding Demaria's Thomas to this offense, you have something else. Besides the Andre Hopkins. Yeah. You do. I'm a big believer in how you're receivers fit together though. And especially a young QB, and you want to do on a scheme it for Watson. You don't wanna ask them to read everything all the time you want to kind of define his reads, and let him be more of a natural athlete at this point in his career. And he's a great quarterback when you do that. And I think then he becomes. A smarter quarterback that way to you build on that Damaris Thomas is not threatening. Anybody downfield not as vertical weapon like will fuller was so now you basically have to intermediate receivers Hopkins and Thomas and one of them's an amazing contested catch artists and the other one has shaky hands. I don't think you know, this is a downgraded Texans offense overall. I understand why they made the move though. And it would have been a worse downgraded offense. If they'd done nothing because they are very thin at wide receiver to me. This is nothing more than a team sane. We've got a window open this year Super Bowl contender. We believe. Let's go. Make sure our greatest weakness is no longer, our greatest weakness. Let's fill that. Void. Let me just put this out there. They've had issues in the red zone. I think sort of connected to that the way to Shawn Watson was was sort of. So aggressive running the ball in the red zone. I think that's what was leading to a lot of the well in Dallas game at directly led to. You know, the the bruise along and the whatever he had with the ribs or or whatever the specific injury ended up being. And I think it's some they want to get away from because I mean, look naturally, you know, you can commit John Watson to protect himself better between the twenties when the guys running near the goal line and can sniff a touchdown that sort of changes the equation. I think that's where he was getting in some trouble as far as sort of just, you know, essentially protecting himself which they need to do a little bit better here. Anne, Mary his Thomas you now have two big guys in the red zone that they can use. I mean, it does it. Does it warm your heart at all the thought of this red zone offense? Maybe being a little bit improved with a with with Thomas now, maybe a little I guess, maybe. It'd be interesting to hear how Watson is coached in the red zone to use his legs to and how he was coached before that Cowboys game and how he's being coached after. 'cause I know like the Dallas Cowboys themselves with deck press. Scott. He's encouraged to use his legs more in the red zone because his theoretically greater yet. So, yeah, I that's a side note conversation, I guess Thomas helps a little bit in that sense. We've talked plastic about red zone if it's a finicky kind of stat and what you can do to improve as the red zone offense Thomas over will fuller. I guess you've upgraded some of your red zone concept's. Well, and looked at the they can't run the ball in the red zone. They just don't have the offense of line to get any sort of push down there. And I think that was the that was their main issue down there. I think that's one where you could look at it and say, okay, this isn't yoyo like you could look at the falcons last year and say okay played a play. They don't have a like an overall problem with their personnel. And what they're able to do in the red zone. They're just played a play not getting done. I think the Texans had an obvious flaw that they were having difficulty overcoming especially when it came to the tight red zone. But we'll see. And then Denver is a. Denver there. Rumors Chris Harris might be available. Some other guys might might be movable there. But this is the only deal they end up making, and it makes sense for them. They weren't they possibly could have renegotiated something with Damaris Thomas in the off season. But they were not bring him back at the what was that number? It was like seventeen million or something then it was. Yep. Yeah. He was he had some pricey stuff and his contract structure for them. So I understand it. I'd get John. Elway was Oakland open about it. He said we want to get Cortlandt Sutton on the field too. Yes. That's a that's a really good on court inland Sutton is a I think Portland Sutton is making a bigger impact this year than they anticipated. I know a lot of people when we talked to him last last winter leading up to the draft even the teams that liked him kind of admitted while he you know, he might be a two or three year project, and he has made an immediate impact there. So he is deserving of a bigger role in Denver. Let's go. Let's go Dante Fowler here. Not take to the Rams which this. This is a logical fit for the Rams. This was their biggest need they needed someone on the edge. The Jaguars seem potentially a little bit fed up with with what's going on in that locker room Fowler has not been the best guy in that locker room since arriving there. Let's talk about the Rams what are they getting in Dante Fowler. I mean, he's a guy who played about a third of the snaps in Jacksonville. But you have the you know, you have the pedigree as a number three overall pick a couple years. Back and he's a guy who has flashed over the first couple years of his career. Yeah. This is an easy one. Gary team needed speed off the edge. We've said all off season. That's the one thing. They don't have. And it could be an issue with some of the the way some of their Cornerbacks play. We saw against Green Bay, Marcus Peters. Did indeed get beat on some double moves in that game downfield, and we got beat a few weeks before that as well. And some double moves. So the concern we had about the Rams is if the pass rush can't collapse off the edge and forced the offense to play on the defensive schedule. It's not a very good defense on the back end. So the Rams are correcting that Fowler's just raw speed. I think he's better than what his surface shows in what is stats show. But he has not been nearly as good as everyone hoped. He doesn't always play up to his talents. So it's a roll the dice by team. That's obviously going all in and it has every reason to go all in gear. Do you? I mean, he'll stand up more in Wade Phillips defense does that. I don't know if he's anyway because I think he'll just come off the bench on on third down, which means that then it's a four down defense. So that whole three four four three at gets overblown. I mean, Cory Littleton stands up now on the edge there in Littleton. I believe ways in the twenties as a line. So it's that's not a big deal to me, even if he does. But I think he's a third down player. Only. Anyway, what'll be interesting is indomitable sue has been their defensive end this year because they're so thin there at that position. They kept Michael brokers on the field will they continue to do that and bring Fowler off the other edge because they've got needs on both sides. They don't have any defensive edge rusher 's or will they move sue back inside now that Fowler's here and I'm eager to see which maybe they do both. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, we talked we talked all last winter. And we'll bring it up all the time. When we talk about player Bobin each. Just you can't get edge rusher. They're just not available. You can draft one high. If you have one you can you can spend an exorbitant amount of money to keep him. But they just don't come come available on the open market and Jacksonville told you a little bit what they thought about Dante dollar when they didn't exercise fifth year option. Lasts less off season. But it seemed like he had sort of run out of time there in Jacksonville. And now he gets a fresh start out of his out of his home state goes off to goes off to LA now. This one was surprising. Our breer actually wrote about this last Sunday morning. And I was surprised see the name, but haha Clinton Dix goes to Washington. He is a guy who had played every snap in the Packers secondary this year. And I understand they they were probably not going to retain him. He he'll be a free agent after the season. So obviously, that's what fueled this. But. I don't know. I don't know how to feel about this. Andy, the the Packers, I guess are gonna roll with Josh Jones and remained Whitehead. They feel like the corners. Are what makes that secondary work or not work, and they seem to be happy with the young guy. So. I don't know this seems like an unnecessary risk, especially since he'd you'd get something of a compact, the they'll get a twenty four th rounder from Washington, but they would have gotten something in twenty twenty may maybe fourth round, maybe fifth round wants Clinton Dix left. Yeah. I was a little surprised by this too. But you know with Josh Jackson there now he's basically been that hybrid linebacker slot. And he's does a lot of things from and he's been hurt. He didn't play last week. But when he's in the lineup, and he's healthy. He's a very versatile safety form and Whitehead's versatile. Cantrell, Bryce is versatile. And so I would imagine those are the three guys that they've you as our movable interior players, and we don't need to be spending big. We're not gonna spend big money for Clinton Dix as are predominant center fielder next year. Anyway, so there's the trade he's a hard guy to figure out Clinton Dix because I thought he'd become the best safety in the league. By this point. I love the body. I loved the fluid athletic. Zim? He's not overly polished and coverage. And that's what makes them hard to reconcile. Honestly Garre is a little surprise Washington. Made this move to because I don't think haha Clinton Dix is a whole lot better. And he surly not very different style listed than Montaigne Nicholson their fourth round pick a year ago who's been playing safety next to DJ swear injure forum. I think he is. And I guess it depends on your definition of significant as far as the upgrade goes. I think he's I think he's he's an upgrade over Nicholson. And and I like the pairing with the stylistically with a with DJ swear under there who I who I love I love DJ sooner Giral just say that flat out. He does a lot of things that don't show up on paper. His film is a lot better than his paper. And his papers are not bad. Swear, Anders of really good safety. He's also he is a boy he is he's like the alpha of ALPHA's in that in that locker room to is. He impression when we were reporting that sue craven story this this off season. But. Yeah. I do I like the move or Washington. Now, do they do they resign Clinton Dix a lot of that will depend on how this how this works out over the second half of the season. But I I like it I still don't love washing as a team. I think they're basically what the bills were a year ago. I think they can make the playoffs, obviously. But I don't think they can beat anyone good or I should say they can't beat multiple good teams in January. So I don't know how you feel about what they have now. But this this makes them better. I think I like them remember him in Washington. They don't view themselves that way, they don't say. Well, we're five and two, but boy works you're lucky to be five and two. We can't beat teams that have quality players. They think shoot were five and two were five and two team. Let's we're in this thing. So I get it from their side the safety franchise tag value. This year was about eleven point three million. So figure it's going to be eleven point eight, I would guess. Like that next year that does feel like a lot for a one year deal with Clinton Dix, but we'll cry. You know, they they don't know that now either they'll probably they probably have it planned to make that decision for after the season. Yeah. All right and one more one more Packers zeal here tie Montgomery. Andy did did you hear the news on on the uniform number? Because obviously, we thought it. I I just I hate it. He he what I had heard was he had petitioned the league to you know, the Ridler Jim Carey's relearn. He wore that that suit with a question marks all over it. That's what time I'd Gumri is gonna is going to be eights all over his uniform, just yeah. I saw your meal Attard rolled me on Twitter with that. He's gonna do a little bowler hat too. Yeah. We're in he's wearing Eighty-eight in Baltimore too. I don't under-. I we've been over this abundant. I don't understand for the life of me why he's allowed to do that. I just I didn't know what to make it. When when you originally got a. Mildly upset by it's an irritant for you. I think is how I describe it. But I really liked the fact that people get so upset at the fact that you are mildly irritated about it. And then it just it's been like just a circle of of. I feel like it's good nature trolling just sorta going. I I have enjoyed the time Montgomery trolling from the. I guess what? Are they the Montgomery supporter? What do we call the people that are in favor of him getting to where blatantly the wrong jersey number? We need people. You know, I call him. Andy the crazy eights. Okay. All right. All right. I just came over that that was pretty good for the top of my head. I don't he's not a difference maker if we're talking football, right? He's not what's number rerunning back on both is let's let's start with is he better than bug Allen. Do you play where we're we're bug. Alan. No because they trust bucked Alan a lot with some of the subtleties in their passing game. I think both a route runner end as a blocker. I mean, I would assume they would use him in in maybe more of a less traditional running back role and more of a Chesapeake role than maybe he was using Green Bay. They also might not. I mean, look like you said, it might just be he'll be death, and he'll he'll maybe steal some snaps from buckle and a couple of weeks. Buck alligators hurt they have a they have a guy behind him. I don't know. I see exactly the sentence trails off when you start discussing the options with time on guy. Don't think it's a moves the meter thing. I thought I think the story here is this eighty eight. No, you would. Right. That's that's that's actually, I I did want to mention one more thing on Gumri. We did have a couple of people on our staff reach out to various people in the Packers building staffers players whatnot. And and the things you read about the the fumble. And what went down and all that it is as bad as what you've been reading everyone sort of confirmed that and so he was he was done in Green Bay. I can say with almost certainty. He would have been released if if he hadn't been treated, but. That's going to do it. That's gonna do for the trade deadline portion of the show. Let's talk. Let's talk the games. Now. Let's talk what's going to happen in week nine. And as promise on the Monday show. We are going to start this off with the Carolina Panthers who Andy is is downright giddy about. So we've got ram saints and patriots Packers. And we're starting Panthers as promise as promised. We're we're keeping a promise Andy we are starting with bucks at Panthers. We're gonna talk about the other two we're just going to start with bucks Panthers. Because we we shortchange the Panthers on the Monday show. It's just the way plano. We did I think I'm falling in love with the Panthers. Their offense is extremely well designed they do more with deception and misdirection and subtle the -ception they probably do more than any other team. I would say that includes the Rams and the chiefs north Turner's done a great job. They're leveraging and using Cam Newton strengths. Christian McCaffrey has a role figured out. It's a really well designed offense. And I think it's only going to get better as DJ mortgage better. He's become a movable piece for them to. Yeah. It's it's just really it's really interesting to me. You know, we talk about Andy Reid a lot especially in our offense excuse me in our office. And the way that he has sort of changed with the times, and and sort of kept up, and we talk about so much, you know, it's the trickle effect. And and you have these, you know, people like to pick that as he's dinosaurs. And the NFL, and they're they're so far behind the curve on all this stuff. But you see what Andy Reid is doing in Kansas City, Bill O'Brien to a lesser extent. The way he he completely changed on the fly with that Texans offense last year. No matter what you think what they're doing this year with it. This is this is another one Norv Turner. I mean, Norv Turner is. How many Panthers fans were were excited at the prospect of nor Turner returning to coordinate their offense after the wait ended in Minnesota, and then yell use it use the guy who was best known as being the? Yeah. The Cowboys early nineties dynasty guy. And he has he took a year off. He learned some new tricks, and he is he's deploying them very creatively with his Panthers offense. And there were signs in Minnesota. That Turner would be a good fit for Carolina. Giving example Turner son Scott Turner's quarterbacks coach there, and he had been the QB coach there being Carolina. He had been the QB coach there a few years ago as well. I think it was Cam Newton's rookie season, and they had installed a little bit of an RPO play for Newton. And which nobody talked about the time, but Arpels were around back then too and Turner Scott went to his dad with the RPO concepts that this works really, well and north Turner ran. That would teddy Bridgewater in Minnesota. They did PEOs, and I think it was successful enough. But Scott was very impressed with his dad for having the this is a son talking about his tattoo. You don't think of our fathers as men who change easily? But Scott was extremely impressed with nor for having that flexibility in learning continuing to challenge himself. And so he's been even better with all this new age schematic stuff to favor Newton. And then it goes back in the NFL. You still gotta have third down along conversions and Norv Turner's offense is conducive to how Newton would convert third and long. He's a downfield power thrower is not a precision accuracy underneath rower. And it's downfield power throwing offense. And we promise we'd sleep on the Jameis Winston situation and think about it. And and talk about it on this show. Have you come to a more definitive conclusion with with what the buck should do going forward? I think his game against Cincinnati was the worst game I've seen at least in terms of Lowe's is he's a high and low player he has every game. He snaps. You say, oh, that's why is the number one. Overall, pick many other snap three say that's why he still looks like a rookie, and he had so many highs and lows in his lows against Cincinnati were so atrocious. I I don't think the bucks had a choice I having they did have to make the move at least benching him that day. And the fact that we're still having the conversation leads me to believe this Winston era is probably over. And if he didn't have some of the maturity questions, it'd be a much harder discussion to have because I don't I don't think definitively. I'm not gonna say he can't play. But the fact that he's knocked right off the. Field while. Okay. It's not great off the field or on the field. He's a guy with decision-making issues also mechanically inconsistent. So he physically and mentally. We'll have breakdowns every game. That's not our starting quarterback. That's not our franchise QB anyway. Yeah. No. I agree completely. I think it's time for them to to move on. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick sticks around the bridge guy. I honestly, I hope they keep cutter. I didn't think they keep Dr cutter. After last year. I was pleasantly surprise I hope they keep your cutter. I hope they go with this Patrick as a bridge guy and find the, you know in next year's draft a lot of sort of high upside, but sort of long term projects at quarterback more so than last year and snag one of those guys and it's back to square one with the with the feature at quarterback for the Tampa Bay bucks. But I'm yeah. I think they're done with them. I think they have to be done with them at this point. Let's let's let's go. Let's go. Optimistic here. Let's go the Sunday night game. We'll start with that one. Since this is the I mean, it's such a historically. Great matchup, and we have plenty of stuff on the QB this week, Jenny. Brent is sort of look back on Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers, and how absurd it is that back in two thousand one one guy was backing up the freshly minted hundred million dollar quarterback in New England. And no one thought he was he was going to amount to a to a franchise player in the near term. And Aaron Rodgers was literally I mean, he was recruited. He receives zero scholarship offers his senior year in high school, and how those two sort of rose up and some of the guys who were who were in on them early. And maybe didn't see them as all time crates were trying to advocate for them. When no one else was. But we're going patriots Packers here. Let's start with the Packers. And because I mean, they were essentially they needed a field goal. Week. I if Aaron Rodgers got the ball back of timeout Gumri doesn't fumble there. Aaron Rodgers just needs to dry for field goal, and they have defeated the Rams in Los Angeles. Defensively. How do you like them at this point is especially now that they're obviously Clinton just moved on? But they're they're solidified. I guess going forward in the defensive backfield. Yeah. They are. They're corners played very well against Iran's for most of the game. So if that's the case Green Bay's formula, we talked about this on this Monday morning show. It's fast disguised blitzes so extra defensive backs on the field and then corners and man to man coverage. Now the question is do you do that against Tom Brady given that New England's offense is so proficient at getting the ball out quickly because teams have had their most success against Brady. It's rushing three in dropping eight member Kansas City Kansas City week one last year. It's the best illustration Houston did this tomb as well, you keep those teams kept Brady's completion rate around fifty percent. Just by Clough. Crowding the middle of the field. So I would consider that as well this week. It'll be interesting to see what Mike Patton doesn't make Penton D coordinator for the Packers. Remember he's played Brady every year for several years in his career played in twice a year if the jets. Yeah, I mean, look it, and I don't think this is gonna shock. Anyone? You think that you know, the jets had that one playoff game where what they activated like a thousand defensive backs and just throw them all out in the field. And they shut down Brady that way. There's also a games, you know, the Steelers in the AFC title game two years ago comes to mind when when the sealers I they were gonna play coverage. And I mean, they just got carved up like like it was nothing. So. I guess when I think back to teams had really good games against Brady. They tend to like the Broncos used to get into those those short areas, and and sort of clog, the throwing lanes Julian Edelman on on those those shorter routes and things like that. But I don't know, man. This is a tough challenge for a for a Packers defense that that also just traded one of their safeties. This only Michelle thing is a big deal to New England will run the ball on. If you go light with all these DB's New England's of much more of a to back smashmouth offense. And we realized James defense a big part of what they do. And the fact that they can spread out into empty formations out of that that only encourages them all the mortar go to to back. So if they feel like miss Schiff Michelle can play then they'll feel like they can go to those two back sets. If he can't I don't see them doing the Cordeiro, Patterson experiment. Two weeks in a row. I didn't think. Patterson looked overly comfortable at running back. The way did get better as the game went along. But this may just come down to what kind of run plays Brady check in and out of if if the Packers do indeed go with all these defensive backs. Yep. Patterson did not look terribly comfortable back there and look no disrespect to the bills. But this this Monday night kind of felt like a let's rest up type of game for the patriots. I it just they must have been no argument for years about the Ps. You think the really think that's how the patriots approached it? Yes. I think he doesn't bring his bell. Check will keep Brady. And if they've got a thirty point fourth quarter lead sometimes he'll girders in meaningless games there too. We talked about this when they beat the cardinals with Jimmy Garoppolo in the opener a couple of years ago. The point I make with that buffalo game is they're looking at it saying if we score seventeen points we will win this game. Because the bills will not be able to score on three possessions with what they have with Derek Anderson and with all the all the shortcomings they have on offense. So the bar was low for the patriots offense. And and and their grog is healthy Gordon's in the lineup. It was a week to a Sony. Michelle fifty fifty you sit him you said, you don't need him. He you know, you'd rather have him a hundred percent next week. Then fifty percent this week sixty percent next week. That's that's my point on this. I don't think they were trying to lose to the bills. I just think they were comfortable going into that game slightly short handed taking something of a of a look forward as far as setting they're setting their an actives. Yeah. That could be. I wonder if this is because the patriots are so secretive about this about injury information, especially or if it's a philosophy within the organization, doesn't it seem like a lot of times in a guys out of the lineup for New England. He comes back a week later or two weeks later than you would guess it doesn't seem like guys come back too soon. Very often a guy always sitting again this week. He's inactive again this week. I think they might sense. And we'll never know this without being inside that organization, but my sense is they do take a patient long-term view within the season when it comes to injuries and letting guys he'll up well, it any kind of fits everything they do. I mean, it's a team that treats the season like a process there there. You know, we every September action say every September. But it feels like every other September. When we're through four weeks. There's all the end of the patriots dynasty pieces coming out because they're sitting at two in two or they've just lost to Miami or something like that. And and the they get better as year goes on they prepare themselves for December and January football. And that's that's when you want to win games. That's when it matters. It get upset. In January, but. Yeah. I I'm not backing I'm not backing down. I back down a little bit on the cardinals game couple of years ago. I'm not backing out on this. I think if Sony Michelle I'll put it this way if that was a game they needed Sony. Michelle was out there when you're looking at the bills and Derek Anderson center, they just they had more than enough without Sony Michelle to put up enough points outscore the bills that was not a game in danger. Look, I'm going to give you I guess we're arguing because you said you're not backing down since long term contentious. I'm gonna give you this one only because I think you care a lot more than I do about it. I do very much. So thank you for in being you're wrong about everything. But now you say it say it time on Gumri should not be wearing eight. No, I agree with the I guess this is my time on Gumri moment. I agree with you on time. Montgomery. I just don't get. I don't I don't think about it. You are technically. I just did. You give me that one because you don't care about it. I would say I don't care about. I agree with you. I agree. If you're going to have uniform number rules in force the uniform number rules. But I don't I don't it doesn't. I would not have thought about it. The second time had we not had. I not no new and on this podcast with you and Eric acted with you in my life. That's that's where it is. For me. Headed anything else? You want to talk about this patriots Packers game. When whenever I think back to the twenty fourteen matchup. I remember Jordy Nelson beating beating Giral rebus. And that's what ended up being the difference in that game. And everyone everyone kind of said that was the Nelson had pushed off on Durell Rivas. I personally think receiver should have been allowed to push off onto rail rebus when Ribas in his prime because it was just unfair otherwise. But that was that was a great game in two thousand fourteen that absolutely lived up to the hype. So I mean, this is this is going to be pretty good Sunday night for second straight week. I agree in that twenty fourteen game. It was twenty six to twenty one zero final score. Sometimes when you get to really good quarterbacks who run really defined, proficient. Offenses you get a little bit of a lower scoring offense of shootout because there's so much consistency with moving the chains. And there's so many completions that the clock keeps running. And it kind of leads for a shorter game. So just something to keep in mind. This might not be the high scoring affair. I don't know what the over under is we don't we don't we wait till Friday to do that on on gas at the Cutie. But I would I would take the under on this one. Whatever it is. That is that is nice synergy on the an MVP pod gambling podcasts every Friday with myself, Scott gramling, and Jimmy drain, and my brother makes that point all the time. People always look at over under and say oh to rate offenses, I'm taking the over here over under his often decided by if you get long dried, especially long drives that falter in the red zone. Whether it's a turnover fourth-down stop or or a field goal or misfield. That's the stuff that turns the over under. It's not necessarily. It's almost like sloppy football leads to higher scoring games. You're gonna have turnover champ short fields and a lot of possessions. Go back and forth. So a little bit of a little bit gambling advice. If any of you out there want to I don't know make make a small fortune with those guaranteed. That's right there. Let's go saints. Rams. This is just I mean, this is a monster matchup. This is you know, we were all excited about Rams Packers last week and saints Vikings. This is. Win percentage wise. I mean, you have a you have eaten over six in one right now. And this is this is a huge matchup and the six and one team hosts, and as the older, you know, as the old way of thinking goes saints are always better indoors at home than they are anywhere else. They are. I think this game comes down to or at least. I don't know if they are. But that's that's still thinking goes. Yeah. This game. I think comes down to what's the answer. New Orleans has for Todd Gurley. The more I watched that offense. And what girl is doing for them in the passing game in last week against Green Bay. He split out in the empty formations and caught the ball a few times and on some important is thirty touchdown. As two point conversion, those came out of those formations. I don't love the saints linebackers in coverage. I don't know if you play manners zone against him to offset it. But however, it is you're going to get girly on the linebacker at some point do the saints consider going with big nickel putting on bell in the game as third safety with Kirk Coleman rather than rotating home. I think you've got to something special against Todd girl. I don't think you can just line up and play your usual stuff. What happened in the first half last week? Why were the Packers successful against this Rams offense? Because I mean, they were they not off around. Can the saints can the saints. Go sort of blitz happy here and try and replicate that in the simplest what happened in the first half in the simplest terms. You know? I don't know. Do you think your Gulf listens to our podcast? I bet he listened to half of them. I been we're on his feet, and he gets this late into the show this. Yeah. I'm gonna go see him on Friday. So I don't wanna be too critical of them now. But he he was not good early on. He was yes, not himself and he left a number of throws on the field and it made for an inconsistent offense at halftime. It was like a light bulb went on for for golfing to also give other credit his receivers became more policy. There just was not the same cohesiveness. The Rams are very detailed in their route nuances and the timing in the spacing and how they stem in present their routes, and they got sharper at doing that after halftime and golf got sharper reading the field. And all of a sudden it was the Rams offense again, but they were not themselves early in the game. And in golf was for whatever reason he was not a comfortable QB early in that game. Yeah. And no Cooper Cup in that game. Obviously. I I don't wanna call him a security blanket. It seems like golf is quite comfortable with a with a lot of those guys go early and and woods and and and Brandin cooks Cooper Cup. At least the early reports. Sean McVay had said there is a good chance up is back in the lineup for this game. So that might that might sort of help smooth things out without offense a little bit not that they not that. They were terrible. There is bad for one half of football. And then they won the game. Anyway. Yeah. The saints. Saints offense almost got something of a a week off against the Vikings. But with all those turnovers sorta got to the end of that game. And and I'm even realized so the next day mostly because I wanna fancy matchup because of it. But drew Brees threw for one hundred twenty yards in that game. They just they didn't have the ball much because. They kept on getting overs from Minnesota. But I I mean, I is breeze just going to essentially dominate that. That back end of the Rams defense. Can can they match up with with what the saints have as far as the weaponry goes well member last year these teams played in Los Angeles. And the Rams made the saints earned just about every yard that gained the Rams linebackers played really one Ogle trees not here anymore. So it's not an apples to apples. But the only difference in the game was Alvin Kamara on this side of the ball Alvin Kamara made some huge plays for the saints. So it's are the saints. They better offense in the Rams are defense. Yes. But that doesn't mean that the that the saints will just run up and down the field on the Rams. I think they'll have to earn these yards. All right. Anything else from this game that you that you want to touch on any. What was up with the end zone last week? And the Rams Packers game to since. We're on the Rams at that. Anybody? I I'm not on social media during gains. Did anyone raise a stink about how it was purple and green because of the USC logo and zone paint underneath it? The ram low on top of the red and yellow I I was I was half listening to the broadcast as as game was going on. I I haven't looked at the schedule specifically, but that might have been might have been and I could be wrong on this. That might have been the first time this year that USC has has played the night before a Rams home game. Was it a night game? So that's what I'm wondering about. Because we kind of give people an assignment to Email us or tweet us every week. We're little things. I wanna know why that end zone thing hasn't happened before because US's been sharing that stadium with the Rams for a couple of years now. And that's the first time I can Rick. Call. Maybe I'm looking something's first time. I can recall that the colors all got mixed together. I remember was that Thom Brennaman doing the game because it wasn't Joe buck because he he he was at the World Series. They played. I mean, it was a three thirty kickoff against state for USC yesterday. Now, obviously that yeah. Twenty four hours is still not a whole lot of time to properly prepare a field for professional football game. But I thought I heard the the combinator say like, you know, the, you know, the crew had done a great job turn around the stadium after yesterday's game. I might dream. Well, they always they always say that by the way, the commentaries never say, oh, they still got some of the bunting from the college game. Who are these idiots? We're gonna stay. Just converse. The first conversation ever had dirt cutter. I met him at the senior bowl in twenty twelve been the he'd been this is a non sequitur, I guess, but he won't know it relates to feel colors, wait for this. Just calm down. No in twenty twenty till I met him. He had played a Boise state. He'd been their head coach in the late nineties, and then the humanitarian bowl one year Louisville came to town, Chris Redmond was to Q be in Moisy state was such a program that it was exciting that Chris Redman was coming and playing on our field here voice as people know that was at the time the b issues much bigger now as they were years ago Bluefield Boise the end zones were green for that game. And I think someone my assumption was somebody because it was a it was a a bowl game. So the ordered end zones for each team. There was a Louisville in zone and a boy state endzone in my guess. Was somebody just ordered it? And forgot to mention all the field is blue and whatever they ordered had a default green background. Now. That was what I was my theory. That's the fry wanted. No. I asked cutter very first thing. What happened with the end zone order? And of course, he didn't know he he didn't remember it was a different color until I had pointed it out, but that kind of thing fascinates, I like the little details of uniforms and end zones and painting the field and how they each team the painted field numbers. Have a different font. It's usually the teams font on the painted field numbers that kind of stuff to me is fun. Yeah. That is fun, by the way, your your body will Brunson actually wrote about this very subject the other day apparently at and I'll just read this forbade them from from Will's story because that's what that's what this podcast has come to. This is quote, apparently what happened for the broadcast was the field got soaked on Saturday night. And the grounds crew was unable to get all the paint off the field from US's matchup again. Arizona state surprising three three five loss to Arizona state as such their only option on Sunday morning. What you just toss? A ton of paint on top of the paint already in place in order to get the Rams helmet logo on the field. Go. And so then it raises the question is it better to have a completely ridiculous looking purple and green field like that. Or just say sorry guys. It's US field today. Yeah. I fine. If they just let it as USC field. I don't know. Maybe the NFL has a problem with that for branding purposes for for America's game of the week. Yeah. With the green zones. There's your answer. Fish bold will Brinson at it. That's that's gonna be rapper this show will add, and we apologize very much for for not doing them any mail bag this week. We just wanted to make sure we got to all the trade deadline stuff as well as promised with the with the pan stuff. We will. We will be back Monday morning. We will take mailbag questions on next week deep dive show for now. Thanks to a researchers read foster and Ryan Taylor who make it. Sound smart? Thank you as always producer Shelby Royston as well. 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REShow: Marc Spears. Hour 3 (04-16-19)

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REShow: Marc Spears. Hour 3 (04-16-19)

"Thank you for listening to this podcast one sports net. Production available on apple podcasts and podcast. One. Right now at banana Republic factory save big with busy seventy percent off the entire store. Let's take an extra fifty percent off clearing stock. Dresses follows starting in nineteen ninety nine. Thank you nearest store or shop online only like factory. Hey shaggy. Now that the NBA also we can is over. It's time for the second half of the season to get underway. It's a tight battle in both the western and eastern conferences as teams vying for playoff position that I've been saying for months, there's only one place again on all the action, then online dot AG up today for a free account and use the promo code podcast one. And when you make your first deposit you'll receive a fifty percent bonus. That's promo code podcast, one NBA savings heating up. Don't miss out on all the fun bet Alon dot AG online sportsbook experts experts experts. Hour number three. The rich Eisen show is on the air. He SPN's undefeated senior NBA writer, Marc spears breaking news before he joins us coming up in about fifteen minutes time from Oakland, California, where he witnessed the comeback win of the clippers last night over the warriors who have lost boogie cousins for the foreseeable future. We'll get to that in. Chris Brockman news update in a moment. Eight four four two zero four rich is the number to dial later on this hour as well this day in history significant will hit that certainly on a day where Russell Wilson becomes the highest paid player in the National Football League tomorrow, the NFL schedule is released and we will be on the air. It's a two a day tomorrow. We'll be on the air tomorrow on the rich Eisen show at our regular time everywhere that you will regularly see us with from Biard live and also. On audience coast to coast on radio and tomorrow's guests. Josh Jacobs could be a top five pick top running back on the draft board. We'll see if he goes top-five, also, Gary or Chuck will be here on the Jason show. Nice future, owner of the New York Jets. And then you guys in the meantime in the meantime, author entrepreneur sports agent. He's got a couple of players in this year's draft. We'll talk about it that all with with Gary v Colin Hanks will be in studio tomorrow. Nice. And then once we say Audio's to Collin, we get the schedules. We don't release them ourselves. Now, we will massage them. We'll take a look at them. Because we've got a lot to talk about tomorrow. Not just with you, folks. Not just with you folks at home, we'll take your phone calls, but Chris Brockman, I'm breaking news to you. I've just found out who is on our show tomorrow. Uh-huh. Said Joe Bach. Joe buck. We'll be FaceTime in with Joe buck. Oh, so I maybe Joe Joe hold the phone opera underneath him. Now that Mark Ingram will join us on the program. Nice. I believe via ravens Cam Newton K. So he will talk about the ravens schedule the AFC north schedule that he's now in the AFC north Emmanuel Sanders will join us as well. He will also chime in while we have our in studio guest with us o our in studio guest. With us throughout the two hours. Dion Sanders is getting. Just on that that is found that. Now just found that out so Dion will come come in studio. That's going gonna be fun. It's gonna be great. And that's just are loving contribution. Dion will take phone calls. You know, take great fun. Good times. So that's tomorrow. That's tomorrow. We'll do live stable players out oddly enough. What does it mean? The weird. Thank you. You got the news update we start with what Marc spears is going to tell us coming up right here on the rich Eisen show, hit it. Please. Rochman with a special live report rock men with the new one hundred green garage spring event. What a great deal you can get right now on a Honda. The James is just waiting for you right now, whether you need versatility or want to drive with the latest and greatest tech. There's a Honda. That's right for you. So head into your local Honda dealer today. Christopher okay. Marc spears coming up soon. He has broken boogie cousins injury. They feared was a quad injury is fears confirmed torn quad. Oh boy, boogie cousins. That's it. Right. That's the season. Isn't it? He is saying cousins waiting on doctors to learn true extent of the injury. But it does fear torn quad God loss for the season. Oh, man. Things. Don't just strain with him. They tear. Yes. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Again, this is the guy who was in the back pocket of the warriors. Yeah. Trump card all season long that they started getting up to speed. Wants the calendar. Turn to twenty nineteen that ace. That that ace in home that they were just going to throw run on the table in April and say come get us. So they'll just after lying to rent. Because that's who they'll rely on. That's it. He's the best player in the NBA though. They'll just rely on Durant car. He'll do his clay all do his. It's basically last year's team now. We're looking at essentially. Well, yeah, I think what happened last night kind of flukey. I don't really see that. Mark had a a great story. He spoke to Durant about the July first of it all and whether he's already made his decision for the next, and I can't wait to chat with Marc spears. That's coming up in a few minutes time. What else do you have over the NFL? The top story keeps you missed it. Russell Wilson's days in Seattle. It's a new four year extension. One hundred forty million dollars five million dollar signing bonus one hundred seven million dollars guaranteed. So now in a contract five years at one hundred and fifty seven million most importantly, a no trade clause. He's in Seattle. The next five years, I will say here. What I said in the first hour. I'll say it again, that's the nature of doing three hour show. If you missed it. And if you saw you'll about to hear it again, he's worth every penny. Not just because it's it's it's something that. The system bears. It's his time. It's his time and teams don't want to do the Kirk cousins method if they don't have to that's very expensive. It's difficult to handle salary cap wise over the long haul. It makes no sense when you can make a deal with somebody, and you're going to give them that money guaranteed or you're going to give them that money, mostly guaranteed. You're gonna give him that money over certain amount of time that you can wrangle around and your cap to make it more healthy for you building a team around somebody. But. It's makes it it makes sense to do. It's his turn. And also just go to our app or go on online later on the number the stats that we read out. He is. Through the first seven years of his career atop some of the most important statistics through which that window can provide how successful and how good they are. And how hall of fame worthy? You can be over the first seven years of your career. He's worth every penny. So yeah, you look at the top seven highest paid quarterbacks in the NFL. Now. That's Russell Wilson average per year. Russell wilson. Aaron Rodgers Matt Ryan Kirk cousins Jimmy Garoppolo Matthew Stafford Derek Carr they've combined for four Super Bowl wins two of those. Or Jimmy Garoppolo is a backup quarterback. The only Russell Wilson. Aaron Rodgers have SuperBowl. You know, obviously Matt Ryan went to one and lost again that he was leading twenty eight to three but. And that's the whole thing. Here is just because you're paid doesn't mean you guys are going to have a good team. You gotta make sure that you're paying the right guy, and we're still waiting. I think from what I was looking up online during the commercial breaks of this show. We're still waiting to have a quarterback who represents fifteen percent of the team's cap space win a Super Bowl. It's difficult. It makes more difficult to build a team around a an absurdly paid or let's put it this way. It's not absurd that he's making this money. It's what's the market bears. Properly. A a highly paid or top one percent paid quarterback. Italy makes it hard. What else over there? So Todd Gurley lot speak on him. So he showed up yesterday for Rams voluntary. Workout did answer some questions that his knees feeling pretty good quote taking it day by day added. Not. Any discussion about the possibility of a procedure this off season. His immediate focus was on the present. When he was asked about what the long term management plan. Sean McVeigh was in here on Friday said he's still going to be the focal point of the offense. Todd said, quote, all I need to worry about is how feeling right now. I don't know how I'm going to be feeling six months from now just working hard doing what I've been doing the last couple of years. We will never know never know. Like Kaiser Soza, we'll never know or never going to know. You have the first overall pick in the you're twenty nineteen fantasy football draft. You take. I don't do you take fill in the blank you take. I take PR wig. Sure, Alvin Kamara. Really? Is going to catch eighty pass. I'll tell you. What man I'm I'm staying away from him. I might take Zeke Elliot, I take take those types. I'll tell you. I'm taking saquon. Number one. He's key can have a thousand thousand without Odal. They're a thousand thousand that as long as manning still a quarterback. He almost had a thousand thousand nine street where the ally manning his quarterback Kimmy. Con. That's I take. And then don't forget let bells back. Don't forget him. I gotta stages. I got I got to see while. We're going down this road. Okay. That's fine. I I am. I am. I am. I am told. Well, we're going to hit this topic. Maybe the next few weeks. Yeah. Michael fob Yano texted me that the Vinnie Paul trophies ready, and we showed it to Duff McCague in here. He's been me. Okay. We gotta get that in here because it's our trophy. We gotta get it in here. We have to display it on the rich Eisen show because it's ours up until next January and I intend to keep it. Okay. So maybe we'll have this conversation with the fabs over the next few weeks when we figure out who's drafted wherever we will have this conversation in may. But I am just totally scarred. By the Mark Ingram experience being an Alvin Kamara now. Now now, but there's latavius Murray. You don't think you're going to hand and taste some of this hill now. Yeah, I guess so those at your five thing does that you're five windows altering now I told him about venturing on this very program. But that's the top five, right? Someone or left bell girly chimeras. Saquon, David Johnson will stuff forget about him. Yeah. With Kyle Murray back there. But first overall selection, you're not taking girly right now. I'm hearing all this. I don't know. I'm feeling now. I'm gonna feel in six months from now. Yeah, I'm kind of feeling in the world happened with this guy's knee backpedal, real quick. I'm feeling your sacred look to coach in the face. In his well, manicured bearded head hair face. He looked red. I looked him. I said was he hurt? No, it was just circumstances. The guy did run like a deer against the Cowboys. And then and then against the saints. What was he limping around L A TMZ what's going on just a mess with you and Harvey Levin. What else I Daniel Jeremiah, mock draft out New Orleans point. Oh, here's your top five here. Let me get let me guess top-five only goes. Kinda marrying Mary Nick Bosa. Yes, jets take Josh Allen jets take Ed Oliver. Oh, man that guy I knew he'd be a top five pick. I know it. I liked that pick for the jets right there in the middle of that defensive line. Let him be Aaron Donald. Come after your guy nimble bulked up Tom Brady here. You're here comes at Oliver. Ryan fitzpatrick. Josh allen. Gotta Pete Ryan Fitzpatrick twice. If the jets don't pick Ryan Fitzpatrick off six frigging times k with that conversation with Gary v tomorrow, raiders, take Clinton Williams. Yep. Yep. Bucks. Josh allen. I quarterback off the board at six is. Askins Daniel Jones to the G men. The Dwayne Dwayne Haskins all the way down number eleven Cincinnati Bengals. Oh, wow. He stays in Ohio. That'd be big couple of Michigan guys. Go twelve thirteen Packers. Devon Bush dolphins were shunned. Gerry? He said guy he says Gary drops out of the top ten and this one. No this one surprised me Packers at number thirty take quarterback drew a lock. Okay. So if in his first go round as Mayock in the Mayock role DJ nails the Packers taking a quarterback deep in the first round. Just like may. I did with Aaron Rodgers back in that day. Our baby would be all grown. And I would grown step and he's grown up. I can't wait can't wait for draft night. If that actually happens, the nice, okay? I last one the worst kept secret design. Williamson officials. Tastic? So there you go. That means it's guaranteed. The knicks. Choose fourth overall. Come on the fixes in dude. Patrick Ewing is going to be there during the lottery see that come on the fix has been in for months. We'll have a seance to get Dave Bush there the ghost of Dave the butcher will be. There is bring back the frozen that bring back the actual. Would that be? Has anybody ever big bang has anybody ever determined where the freezer supposedly was it would have to have been right near end the bright near the terrain that they add bingo thing it was like a small little in nineteen like a mini fridge with a mini. You all you need to do is just put one envelope in there. And then that makes no sense because anything that's cold makes hanging around colder. Now you freeze all the other ones. And that's the one that's not cold. This makes no sense. None of what you're talking makes sense. Fixed. Definitely all I know. Is that James Dolan karma? It sucks so bad that there's no doubt in my mind. This one year that they finally changed with the anti-tampering rules. The Knicks chance of going with number one overall because they changed it is lower than anybody chances to go number one overall in the history of the lottery, they changed the rules. All right. Let's not go down at Dylan wormhole cousin envelope. We got Marc spears coming up from from the undefeated. He just reported ten minutes ago that it's a torn quad muscle for boogie cousins. That is devastating news for him. Oh my God. This guy cannot catch a I mean, I think he'd probably prefer to catch an actual break instead of a muscle tearing my gosh. And Mark also spoke to Kevin Durant recently about exactly what I'm talking about. Dolan's karma suck so bad. Durant will be just like I can't leave. I can't leave Golden State like this and Zainal go first overall too like the frigging sons, and that'll be that or the Cavs the Cavs because Dan Gilbert needs another break in life. No, more cat. Holy crap. Right. That's next year on the rich Eisen show. Okay. This is a thirty second commercial. And I'm going to throw a lot of numbers at you. But please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes you could. Say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates in great service for over seventy five years in anytime, you need help you can speak to one of their train specialists. Twenty four seven the company is Geico. Go to Geico dot com today. Sorry for all the numbers and in five four three two one amount of time. Hey listeners just wanted to take a minute to thank all of my great sponsors. And all of you. Great listeners for supporting this podcast. Certainly couldn't do this show without either of you. 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It's anybody can get and he's kind enough to represent are Honda insider report right here from Oakland senior NBA writer from ESPN's the undefeated always in pre she'd our conversations with Marc spears back here on the show. How are you? Mark. Haven't they interesting couple hours, man? I bet you did. So is boogied done for the year. Yeah. I don't know about for the year for the season. Really tough news torn quad waiting for the extent of the injury, and certainly has to be really really down just a second playoff game. And he's out, and you know, the warriors win he still gets a ring, but he is in a part of the entire journey. So I know he's crust. Tony Parker had this injury recently. So I wouldn't be surprised if those two end up having a conversation and Tony ended up coming back, but to go from having you know to injury that cousins had to having this. I mean achilles in a torn quad. I mean is is really devastating. It's gonna be really painful, and man, I just after seeing what he went through close to the hand. And then working on a big east sixty feature on them for two years now. Hey, man is if the after he conquers this he he certainly has very patient story. To say, the least I mean just to just to hear again that he's been no doubt. Just like the rest of the the warriors. This is the moment for him right now. I mean, forget about obviously the last couple of months, it was all to get ready for this moment for this moment to arrive and have it go like this. It's re-. I there's no words for Mark. Yeah. I mean, hopefully, the these boxes of chocolate warriors can find motivation from this knowing how important just getting in the playoffs was to him. Let alone trying to win a championship. So hopefully for the warriors say they could get sparked from it. But his loss is huge laws assuming the warriors figure out way to get past these clippers. You know, cousins was the problem for Houston. He had a great great series against Houston. He's a problem for a lot of teams. He's a lot problem for a lot of stars centers. So to lose him. I mean, like, hey, no one's gonna feel sorry for a team for five guys that have been all stars. But this is a devastating loss for the warriors. Well, before we get to your other piece that you you wrote this week for the undefeated on Kevin Durant. What in the world happened last night, Mark? I mean what what happened in front of you with? Clippers come back from thirty one down. Well, I mean dot gave a very flattering unflattering comment that makes sense about these clippers man he called them the roaches. So they just don't die, man. I you could hear them you could swab him you can step on them. And they find a way to survive a lot of people probably don't know the clippers story there's been like three games in which they have a overcame deficits of twenty plus in a regular season two of which were over twenty five or twenty five or over. So I mean, the warriors got it. No. You can't just rest you can't just count them out or think that they're going to give up. This is like, you know, a junkyard dog mentality that they have nobody believes in them. Nobody thinks they could win. There's no stars. There's no superstars although we should probably start considering Lou Williams a superstar, but they just they just keep fighting. And that's it's been their mentality and to come back from that. I mean, it has to be. Very very embarrassing for the warriors. In in probably was so embarrassing that it kind of overshadowed for the moment would happen with cousins. It was very quiet locker room a couple of guys and didn't speak and in in this playoff. You can't play games like that. 'cause you know as you saw injuries can happen. And they basically also just lost about three potential days arrests at they swept the clippers Marc spears from the undefeated right here on the rich Eisen show. And when you mentioned the clippers as roaches. It's not just coming back from deficits within games. It's also Tobias Harris getting traded away and everybody thinks that's the NFL. We had doc on the show about ten days ago. Then even he admitted that it was a tough sell within the locker room to say. Yeah, let's just keep going. While Harris goes to the Sixers so everything that we're seeing here from from these comebacks throughout the season last night Tobias Harris going team is still in the playoffs. Right now. Does this position the clippers any better what happened last night for July? First, do you think Mark? Mean moyer's when the next three games? We'll probably forget about it. I mean, I think it has a fifteen minutes of fame. It's it's a good story that they win on Thursday or went on Sunday, which is not out at around with possibility. They could but I. With their salaries situation. It ain't those guys, you know, with all due respect that they're looking towards to lead their future into trying to compete for a title. It's it's a guy like Kevin Durant or Koi, Leonard or Kyrie Irving after really looking at. So I I don't know if this impresses a free agent other to say that, you know, the clippers the organization are going in the right direction. Have a solid foundation has owner that cares. And we'll spend money as somebody told me before Blake Griffin. And Chris Paul and de'andre Jordan got all the masseuses and all the night stuff. Now, everybody gets everything. So there's a lot more money being spent in the bomber gene than the previous regime and a lot more to be excited about what clippers basketball than in the past marks. Here's the Honda insider report, let's get to your piece in the few minutes. We have left with each other here on the undefeated, entitled, Kevin Durant. Yo just watch the game. You spoke to Durant. Do you think he has made a decision on July one right now? He's playing basketball knowing he's going to a certain team if not the Knicks, Mark. No, no in and we talk in detail about it. And I think he believes it would kind of idiot to have one right now. There's just so many things that could happen. Like, look what happened to the Lakers in draft lotteries coming up on may fourteen. Let's see who gets on. Let's see how the Heuer's finish. I mean at the warriors were to three feet I can envision Steph being in a room looking at Durant saying come on, man. He don't wanna try to four Pete. He he don't wanna try to four Pete in a new arena like to just give me another year. Man. Let's just go year to you like I could see that conversation taking place walking away from potential for Pete. With would probably be very very difficult thing to do. So I mean, he actually I had heard from somebody close to them that he had made a decision and then disaster him directly, and he's like, no like that. Wouldn't be a good business move at the moment wouldn't be good for my teammates. Would it be fair to my teammates and? I think you gotta just let let the dust settle to two months from now. Which is why is saying, hey, just just let's let's watch watch me play and. Obviously Patrick Beverley is making a tough one right now. But this is perhaps the best player in the game. And I as after all these sad years at the warriors fans have been through. I still think they shouldn't get too big for the bridges and not appreciate the game journey. They're trying to get a third championship, and they need to smell the coffee a little bit and stop worrying about what's going to happen in July one. Well, I mean in regards to Mark, I mean Durant is you know, is very savvy smart, and so many people say that for his legacy. He's got to go somewhere and do something himself to me the looks around even if the warriors do lose, and there is a new stadium a new arena. And and if I guess he looks around how can he leave this situation knowing that this is his best chance to win unless there's something going on behind the scenes that some other raw. Auster move needs to be made that he doesn't wanna play with anybody anymore. And you know, I guess where I'm going to with Draymond. And what happened earlier on in the season is is that walk me through what the land mines here are of Durant to stay put in Golden State on. I think him and and dry on happened fine. Okay. I don't think that puts them out the door guy getting argument that happens. I'm sure you didn't haven't loved all your coworkers ought to us either. What about the producer in their man producer right now? I'm staring a hole right through them right now. Oh, yeah. I know what you're saying it happened. So I think that's the thing in the past. It'll be hard to walk away mean they've been winning the grass is pretty green on this side. There's a new marina in end. There's. Like the same kinda money got courtside at Madison Square Garden in. Staples is certainly going to be at chase. When it's just down the street Silicon Valley incident Francisco the most expensive place to live in the country is killing me right now. So I mean from Silicon Valley standpoint from a financial standpoint, I mean, he he's been able to make some coin off to court, and I think that will even get to a higher level next year to New York won't go away. And that's why I think is that's one of those really really tough decisions where I wanna be surprised that went back to the Hamptons hunker down with rich climbing and his father and some other close friends. And and kinda look look at it. I I don't think it's a simple decision. I mean, New York. Yeah. Planning the gardens, cool, and perhaps car Rica come with them, but they had the one seventy. Three, and that's a different kind of presser LA, clippers or Lakers. It's you know, it's it's a big challenge where you go, regardless of where you go. So, but he he has a good problem. He ES people that want him and want to open up the volts form. So no, I'm sure I I really believe him when he said he hasn't made it decision and he's taking his time. Okay. Mark, thanks for the time. Really? Appreciate it. Let's chat throughout the NBA playoffs. I always appreciate your your information in your your conversation. Thank you. All right, brother. Take care. You got. That's Marc spears the undefeated dot com. He also check out his he reuptake great piece that he wrote on Lou Williams years ago, he ripped it. So do you have to check that out? And then check out I'm telling you, man. I just felt it in my gut. And it's not because I think James Dolan is the worst owner in sports. It really is. It's really not born out of that. Okay. He's not. He's not. I'm sorry. It's not it's born out of how can he you just heard that they win their third in a row Steph curry get some room like Arif series. Really you only four in a row something Jordan never did. You don't wanna try four in a row we're going to new stadium. You don't want. I'm new arena. You don't wanna see that come on? Now. Let's just keep this thing. Going to seem silly to pass on that day lose. Let's just say Houston pizza. But just say somebody shocks them. They lose Steph. Curry is going to say, that's how we can't end this way. We can't end this way. You got a new arena? Let's just build. Another dynasty. Russell Westbrook said the same thing to him. I guess he did. What we're up three one. And we lost to these guys. I know we don't want to fix this. Nope. I'm going go. Join them. So. I don't think anybody. There's no other them to join. You know what I mean? Right. It started with starting right or also. And also you heard what Mark said to the draft lottery is may fourteenth. Yeah. That's cute. Huge winds up with Zion. He said exactly that's why I'm saying that the Knicks gets on all bets are off. Now, if the Knicks get Zion that now now we're talking it's like, okay. Yeah. You go you go to New York. You do start your own thing. You get this dynamic kid that you can be teamed up with for the rest of your career. And then you call kyri up and say you join to let's go you go home kyri. I'll come here. Let's win. Together. We got this kid from Duke. Now, you're getting me to possibly believe that he would be able to say to Golden State. I'm out and yet doing zehr. A great coach. But still it's how do you leave the Golden State Warriors? And again, it's an insult to the warriors to think that they're not gonna put a remarkably impressive. Best foot forward for Kevin Durant. A remarkably best foot REM an on. You can't rival what they're going to be able to put forward. But what are they gonna dangle ownership? I mean, no, I don't just the ability to win and high class, and what do you need? What I don't know. He wants if it's something the warriors can't give. Meaning I gotta try something else myself. They can't give them that. That's the only thing they can't give him right? That's brought to you by the Honda dream garage spring event. That's the Honda insider report a great deal on the Honda of your dreams is waiting for you. It's waiting right there for you the way that you need versatility. Or want to drive with the latest and greatest tech. There is a Honda. That's right for you. So hadn't your local Honda dealer today. This day in history and the poll question and wrapping up for the rest of the week here on the rich Eisen show. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack here podcast one? Yeah. We talk basketball. But we're a lot more than just sports Magoo's for this lady. 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Nineteen years ago today at the two thousand National Football League draft. Jio come Ozzy was drafted by the San Francisco. My favorite thing to just jab mariuchi with and married. Jiggle Bill Walsh, Bill Walsh's, we'll making decisions the goat renown all of them rich while we're ready seller here. Yeah. Rundown. Well, you know, you probably know off the top of your head. I don't I'm looking up Chad Pennington. Brace six Tom Brady was drafted hundred ninety ninth. Overall by the New England Patriots nineteen years ago today and quiz show in the two thousand scouting combine. I wish we could sound Cam me against him. Michigan men he'd be a millionaire. But look at it baggy. I mean, like like shirts pictures, everyone always sees him shirtless. Standing there. I mean now now they all have under armor gear on it. And it's all I mean, and they're all absolutely diesel. Brady Tom Brady. Unbelievable. Picture this out today to the goat. I mean now, I mean, they have them they're in like farming. Like like, boxers looks Ocsar underwear we next to a on an easel. There is a whiteboard on an easel with his name, height and weight. Three-quarter? Kyla Amari photograph like this out there right now. It's one of the first things Roger Goodell instituted when he became commissioners. We are done showing the way ins. Yeah, we're done. So the Brady sixes Chad Pennington Giovanni karma. The goat the goat herder. Right. Chris redman. Of course, it was t- Martin he Martin everybody. Mark Bolger, Mark Bolger and my favorite Spurgeon wins. Burgeon F and win every lean Spurgeon win. Joker Mazi is my favorite because I I get to Raga mariachi all the time. But one preseason game. How's this day in history? Our poll question. Final results brought to you by Capital One which is reimagined banking by offering savings and checking accounts with no fees are minimums in one of the nation's best savings rates Capital One. What's in your wallet happen on any member? FDIC much QB. Would you break? The Bank for next to Shawn Watson thirty eight percent Jared Goff. Thirty five percent. Carson wentz. Twenty percent deck Prescott. Seven percent. Derek the rancher from Texas. Great name. Derek? The rancher what's up, Derek? He's on is he on Derek you there what an intro. I had forum. Is he Rancho? Put them on put him on hold. Gotta get it back. Gotta get him back. Tonight's gangqi lineup. They're starting Sunday this sickest. Eighty five star. I don't know why six thirty five. What are we doing? I don't know. What's going on? The Yankees starting second baseman this. You're supposed to be labor Torres. It's DJ LeMay, Hugh. Okay. Aaron judge is you're starting right fielder. Brian second bats second, by the way, because I don't know. Okay. Luke voice your first basement tonight because Greg bird is he would have been eight who've been a great birds on the injured list. Right, but Voigt is going in sale tonight. So you can put him in the right? Glacier tours. The you're starting shortstop because Didi gregorius is out for the Clint Frazier designated hitter. Okay. He's been he's been hitting it pretty well. But he's your H G L Ursula is your third baseman. Do you know who that is? I do not know. Okay. Because that kid who is hitting out of his shoes and Andrew Harr last year. He's hurt Brett Gardner. Okay. He's he's healthy Cardi party. Austin remind for the injured Gary Sanchez for the injured of Jews name naming outfielder. That's hurt form. Okay. A stanton. Mike taubman? I think I went to summer camp. I think he kicked my ass and inter camp games back in the day. Or I think I beat Mike tau Schmidt and nukem. For camp Kanda? He's the starting left fielder. And James Paxton who's supposed to be doing much better than he is by that combine the area. The two starters tonight. Fifteen eight oh my God. James Paxson fifteen also the number of Yankees on the injured list to make some quick geo Ursula stats. He's six foot. Two twenty eight twenty seven they go from Cartagena Colombia or to hang. But that's okay. No big deal. He has eight career home run. Cartagena Colombia, which is one of the more famous spots from the movie the inlaws. Yes, got to see that. That's I think that's what they serpentine. That's where severed time. Cleveland last year was with Toronto played nineteen games strike, Derek the rancher again, if he just was Derek and text soon acting. Hey, he's ranch. Can you hear me? Now. I can what are you? What are you doing? I'm on my track your trading of our fields. It's just that time of the year with spring in the rain is. Oh, jerick Derek. Can you just I never said this to another person can you stop your tractor right there? Because I think it's messing with your cell reception. Yeah. I just turned it off. Can you hear me better? Now. What are you got in your mind? Derek? Well, I saw your poke question, and I wanted to ask who what your opinion was who you think should be. All right. We got to put him on home. Just look here's here's two things. That'll get you on the air here. One thing they'll get you on the other thing, you'll get you off one thing is just call yourself. The rancher. You're in your urine seriously by call when you call atom or call screener and Tommy you're the rancher urine. And then if you can't if you don't have quality cell reception while you're ranching, you're out. Simple rules. Very simple rules here. I think he wants to know which quarterback would you pay next? What am I choice is again to Shawn Watson Jared Goff? Carson wentz. Dak prescott. Sean freaking Watson. That's who. I'd and Bill O'Brien. Can we get him running game? Can we not? Marvin inside the five yard line of the guy. They need they need. They need offensive line help from this draft yet big time to Shawn Watson. I'd love that guy. And then I would go once and then go Goff. And then I go Dak how do you like that? A Jeremiah has the Texans taking Cody Ford, Oklahoma tackle, did he go. Gotta have it. Gotta have it. They sent their best tackle to Seattle because for political reasons. Not happy. Yeah. I mean, it's crazy. All right. So tomorrow's show. We got to Gary vein or Chuck can't wait to chat with him about the jets. Well, no, again, we won't know the schedule yet unless francesa can leak it to us before we get vein of check on the air. But it's usually the giant schedule gets. Tomorrow's scheduled release show, Colin Hanks will be on our show is well before we before we that's just show one show to we're part of the NFL network tomorrow. So Gary the rancher if you're calling or Derek the rancher you're calling had better cell reception. I'm sorry. You can call us throughout the day. And we'll take your phone calls on the NFL network tomorrow. Dion Sanders coming in studio with us when we were going back and forth about you know, how how much of a role this show would have in the schedule released show, or if I would just host it from the NFL network going back and forth on my let me, you know, the one thing about the schedule these people get it, and they want to vent about it. Yeah. Yep. If they have the opportunity to vent and just put out a tweet and putting the tweet at the bottom of the screen and reading it isn't the same. As a Derek rancher. You're on what do you think of the Cowboys schedule opener against the patriots on the first Sunday night game of the year? This Chris Brockman, particularly like. You know, I I like that sort of thing. And then I'll like, you know, maybe we can get somebody in studio with me, and then the football NFL network. God's opened up the heavens Dion Sanders is going to be tomorrow. How fantastic is that him and his hair? Oh my gosh. Joe buck. I can't wait to ask Dionne about Whitlow. 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The Dimitroff Years: 2012

"From labra doodles to crow. Nuts the world of hybrid so today businesses are taking a smarter hybrid cloud approach using the tools platform and expertise of ibm. The world is going hybrid with ibm. Visit ibm dot com slash hybrid cloud. This is holly podcast official. Podcast on the espy nation. Podcast that were this david walker on. Today's special podcast. We continue our view of the thomas. Dmitrov years with the atlanta falcons to help me with this task. I've invited special guests to join me on each of these episodes as we break down the traits free agent signings and draft picks made in the thomas dmitrov era. I guess they is matt karoly of the now defunct rise up reader matt. Thanks for joining me. It's great to be here You know when he told me about this idea that you can. We do with podcast. I was excited. 'cause you know this is kind of an exercise to do quite a bit however depressing. It might be sometime back and revisit. Some of these years in some of these drafts in twenty twelve was certainly a memorable one One regular season the draft in the offseason. Not so much but excited to bring down today. Yeah absolutely so. let's jump into. We are covering the two thousand twelve season. This is the year that the falcons went thirteen. Three ended in heartbreaking fashion with their loss to the san francisco. Forty niners in the nfc championship game. I still contend that roddey white should gotten to pass interference call think. Many falcon spans agree with me. What brought us into the two thousand twelve season. Let's talk about what happened in two thousand eleven. The falcons suffered in the barrister playoff loss to the new york giants in the first round where they only managed to score two points. The team ended up moving on from defensive coordinator. Brian van gorder and offensive coordinator mike malarkey and at the time they brought in mike nolan and dirt cutter to replace those two men respectively. Of course two thousand eleven obviously was the big year where metron made the move up in the draft to get julio jones. They gave a ton of draft capital. And that will have repercussions that would ultimately be felt in the draft class. We're going to talk about today. So that brings us to two thousand twelve. And they wanted to start our discussion that with the free agents and before we get to some of the guys that they brought on some of the guys they kept. I wanna talk about some of the guys who were allowed to leave or who were cut and the first name want to bring up is a linebacker curtis lofton. They obviously drafted him with the intention of him. Being the long term successor to keith. Brooking leaving after the two thousand eight season lofton was a guy that they were extremely bullish about and to be fair and his time atlanta he was an excellent linebacker. He was more of a run sopping linebacker and that timeframe the nfl game was beginning of the change. You know he was someone that was not really known for his coverage was more of a traditional brun stopping linebacker but still think there was some confusion as to why the team would let him leave especially given the fact that they didn't have a lot of great options the year before they did draft akeem dent in the third round. I'm not sure that that was the player they thought would be sort of the centerpiece of the linebacking core going forward. But what are your thoughts on the team. Moving on from curtis lofton in this kind of a double edged sword just from the standpoint. That like you said curtis lofton kinda was the centerpiece of their defense for his first four years in atlanta ends know he was a guy that certainly did the. You know the bulk of his work on those early downs was was y'all kind of known for being a run stuffing linebacker coverage at times You know he was a liability. And i think that's kind of the reason that mike nolan kinda decided to move on from him but the reason where the double edged sword comes into play as they didn't really have a great plan to replace him. And that's kind of where you saw. You know those lost years twenty thirteen twenty fourteen the types of linebackers at rolling out. We're not that great you know. Twenty twelve Able to get by sean weatherspoon emerged. They kept. Mike peterson around stephen. Nicholas was was a solid veteran. But beyond that. That's really where moving on from curtis lofton not having a great plan. Akeem dent not panning out. That's really where it hurt them. So i understood the move from a long term aspect As far as you know where the game was heddon coverage is key and you need to be able to cover on defense it you know. In order to survive in this passing game where where's trending But in the short term Wasn't a great move in in again. Curtis lofton went on to new orleans. And i think he may be. Played a year in oakland Didn't really have many more years. I think he had three years total after he left atlanta. Maybe so again. It probably would have been nice to be able to keep him around for those last couple of years just as a stop gap But again long-term. I understood the move. It's just short term that's really kind of what reverberated in twenty thirteen fourteen. When when you're rolling out undrafted free agents like jabaar to in in everyone's favourite. Paul were so so we have our first poll were alone. Namedrop fantastic man. I love it. We have curtis lofton's departure for that But obviously the linebacking crew You know was a mass in a disaster. And that was something dan quinn when he came in two thousand fifteen really had his work cut out for him and and it was because of the fact that they had no long term plan after curtis lofton excellent points on curtis lofton than sort of where the linebacking corps when after that you mentioned wore low bar to and honestly several several years before they were able to find really guys that could play at a high level again at that linebacker position. So i wanna move onto the next name on list. And this is a player who i think for falcon spans. There may be a mixed set of opinions on him. I'm of the thought that he was under appreciated in his time. Atlanta and that is wide receiver slash special teamer slash kick and punt return specialist. Eric weems obviously a wide receiver. He didn't do much. And but his role on the team. In special teams i think is undervalued. He was very steady very reliable kickoff and punt return guy and his mayb underrated in what he did on the coverage units. I feel like he was one of those guys that you could just drop him on the field. And you always got consistent quality production from him when it came to kick off and punt coverage and you know i think people always think of punt returner and kick returners as being guys that are really supposed to deliver big but he was a steady reliable influence on this team and they let him walk and i feel like even in that two thousand twelve season. There were some struggles in special teams after he left. So what are your thoughts on. Eric williams and his departure as well. Yeah i'm not in that group of people that Wasn't a fan of eric williams. I'm with you. I think he was a great return. Man you know. He was a pro bowler in twenty ten. I'll never forget. I was actually there the sprout with the only memorable moment from this game. But the divisional round playoff matchup against the packers at the conclusion of that twenty ten season. You know kinda when the legend of aaron rodgers was born and they just kinda stomp the yard. With the falcons bhai eric. Weems had a great return. One hundred and two yards which i believe at that time and i don't know if he still has. The record was the longest return touchdown in postseason history. So again a great return man a great guy on the coverage unit. You know he pretty much led. The team in special teams tackles on annual basis when he was with the team and so you when they let him go yes it did. Bring us devin hester. Those were it was. It was fun to have one of the greatest retirement of all time in atlanta for a couple years in the watch him. You know break dion sanders. Return record was fun But as we saw hindsight's twenty twenty ended up bringing him back in twenty fourteen in kind of emitted rega- we wish Whoops we should've never let this guy go and it would have been kind of fun to see. I guess eric williams did get a pretty decent contract and he went with the money. And i don't know if the falcons could have fit that in their budget by it would have been fun to have hester and williams on the team at the same time. And kinda you know. See what keith armstrong. With With keys was still though such at the time report. Yes it would been cool if keith could have you know a maybe cooked up. Some kind of special returns where both of them were on the field at the same time he often eat Give gadget plays so. Yeah it was another one that again short term. i guess it's kind of the opposite of often short term. I guess was okay. You know because they had devin hester cover. Genus did probably fall bit but long-term didn't make a lot of sense and we saw that they brought him back in the on that mistake so and this was another one that they probably should have been cool if they could just cap but at least unlike the lost and when they were able to bring him back in happen for a couple more years in manhattan during the quin years which were which were nice. Yeah absolutely so to round out the discussion on the other departures. Caesar a list of guys. That honestly aren't we're not going to spend much time talking about. I just want round this out. Cornerback kelvin hayden. Titan reggie kelly Safety james sanders and center brat. Romberg now moving. On to some of the guys falcons did end up keeping so players that were on the roster two thousand eleven that they kept around institute thousand twelve. And let's start with these two names. Because i think these two positions going forward for falcons. It took several years if they even replaced one of the positions at all. So the two guys. I'm talking about and i had forgotten that this happened in this two thousand twelve season. The first name defensive end. John abraham got a three year deal worth seventeen point seven million and center. Todd mcclure who got a one year deal worth nine hundred ninety thousand now. Both of these guys were obviously incredibly important veterans on this team. Tom mcclure was there ryan's rookie season until now john. Abraham was still one of the best. Pass rushers falcons. never had. He was still performing at a high level. Both guys were on the wrong side of thirty. Believe abraham was around thirty four mcclure. Thirty four thirty five so the team. Clearly a new. They need to replace these guys long term but they still kept him around for this twenty twelve season so matt. What are your thoughts on the falcons in particular again. Gm thomas metropolis making moves to keep these important players around for what would the been very successful. Two thousand twelve season. I think before again that just noting some of these contract terms i mean for pass. Rusher of john abraham's caliber to get him for five and a half million or so like it just to show you how the salary cap has really taken off because you know even johnny ram. Was you know thirty pushing thirty years. Old you still see pass rushers now getting ten to eleven twelve million dollars at that age so i mean that's just crazy in itself but yeah i totally agree. I mean abraham You know he. He was the one guy on that defensive line that still struck fear into opposing offenses so his presence was absolutely critical to bring back. And i think you know. I would have liked to seeing 'cause you know memory recalls. He started getting a little nicd up in in that postseason run. I remember him in nine. Nfc title game against the forty niners kind of china. Walk off a leg injury and navy. Some of that played into the decision. But you know he did then have a good twenty. Thirteen season with the cardinals. I think that was a case of them can move in on one year too early. Probably on abraham and then when it comes to You know todd mcclure. I mean again to get him for like a vet men deal practically was awesome to bring back. Your veteran pivot You know the guy that stabilizes the front helps matt with two calls. And i totally agree with the point as far as him than not getting brought back and kind of retire erin after twenty twelve in. We'll get into a little bit more. When we talk about peter cons certainly center was a position in in total flocks for three solid seasons before the falcons finally went out and spend some money and got out smack in twenty sixteen great point. Obviously we saw struggles. Matt ryan had in the offense without a dependable center in front of him and two thousand thirteen fourteen. Fifteen three full seasons where matt ryan struggled with guys like james stone. Mike person peter cons which will get into a little bit And honestly they've never replaced. John abraham even to this day so we're eight years in and how many guys have. We burned the through and been unable to replace the best pass. Rusher in falcons history and really not even get close Which is what's what's sad so unfortunately this would end up being the final season for both of them but metro does deserve credit for keeping them around for this important two thousand twelve season. No let's talk about some guys that were actually drafted by gm. Thomas dmitrov and finally came around to getting their first big contract outside their rookie. Deals these next three guys. Were you know homegrown talents. First of all defensive in kroy biermann. He got a three year deal worth nine point one million safety. Thomas dacuda got a five year deal worth seventeen and a half million and wide receiver. Harry douglas got a four year. Deal worth twelve point. Five million So these were guys you obviously ended up being contributors multiple. Years for the falcons and i would argue that. Despite some history with the player like bearman you know who was a fifth round. Pick a ease. Were were players Day queued had several good years and obviously douglas as well. So what are your thoughts on this trio that the the dmitrov drafted players finally got their contracts bearman day. Cued in douglas fair. And again you know. I continue to be amazed at at the values of what the players were. That's my biggest takeaway of this conversation. Right now is just to get that type of position. again a guy. All man like croix bearman Certainly i saw fair market value again other than you know. There wasn't a whole lot outs with the pass rush but croix was able to provide some of that and was able to provide you know some of the stuff in coverage at times in mike. Nolan's exotic looks so really very important cog to that defense Thomas day cou. He enjoyed a pro bowl season in twenty twelve. So you know they draw look very smart very early on by giving that out prior to the season and then lastly harry douglas Solid number three man definitely fit the locker room. Well fit those guys next. Roddy white and julio jones Unfortunately i hate to have to bring this up. But you know ordering everlasting memories of harry. Douglas were again. We're talking twenty twelve season so it has but that damn turf monster in in that twenty twelve. Nfc title game. you know. The man could've walked into the end zone if he just stayed on his feet and You know you never know. What the falcons they could have ended up surrendering a touchdown at the end. Regardless will never know but man. I would've i would've left the scene. How that would have shaken out. If he just stayed on his feet and walked in the end zone for that touchdown but again regardless of that harry was was a solid player. even one thousand yard receiver a year or two after. You know this twenty twelve season injuries to to roddy white in. Julio jones hit harry. Douglas was able to step up. And i don't know if that was more You know to say about harry and his ability or maybe matches as a quarterback being able to you know Dish the ball to a lotta guys have a lot of guys. Have success in put up numbers but Again harry. Douglas was a valuable number. Three guy for a long time and i thought it was a contract that he deserved to get twenty two off season. I actually really like douglas. We actually went to the same high school jones high school. Obviously was there are many many moons before he was giving away at my age. I guess at this point. Let's talk about the remaining guys on this list. Cornerback brent grimes was franchise tagged in this two thousand twelve season which ultimately ended up being a one year deal worth about ten million and i want to circle back to him and talk a little bit more about his his situation. Here in a moment quarterback. Chris redman when deal worth the minimum running back jason smelling three years. Four million dollars. I completely forgot about him being on the roster at this point in time within the context of the two thousand twelve season defensive. Tackle vince walker. Got a one year deal worth a little over a million and long snapper joe's alenka for whatever that's worth probably the minimum that they give to the the long snappers. I do want to circle. Back to brent grimes. Because at the time the falcons had committed a lot of money. To cornerback dante robinson. And i think many falcons fans rightfully so thought that brent. Grimes of the two was the much better corner. In the falcons had sort of you know avoided. Trying to give brent. Grimes a really big contract in in. Certainly the the dante robinson contract was looming large over that. And and then you end up in the situation where grimes only plays a half a game for the entire year. He went out in the first half against the kansas city chiefs game. One the two thousand twelve and he would never play for the falcons again. So matt your thoughts on these remaining names. And in particular the situation. Where brent grimes and what your are on that. Y'all touch on grounds meaning that one stings. Probably the most just because as you as you mentioned nair. We only got to see him for one game on his franchise tag season tourism. Kelly's in that opener in kansas city. And you know he. He absolutely was the number one. Cornerback on this team you know. He was a pro bowler in twenty ten when he had five interceptions six years prior. And really. what's things the most is. This is arguably the biggest player that thomas dementia of kinda let go and get away and you know you can't fault him too because you know he's coming off a major injury the year prior miss four games though i mean there there is a history there in. I don't know exactly the deal. He got in miami but whatever it was he ended up You know Worth every single penny because he was a three time. Report pro bowler four interceptions at least in each of those seasons really became one of the marquis cornerbacks in football So that hurts that they couldn't have him because he would have been he'd been great to kind of transition into those true in robert offered years. And you really would have had three quarterback trio that they were hoping to have in twenty twelve in route back in when they had a robinson and then we didn't even get to it. I'm sure we will in a little bit here touch on it more but you know they got asante samuel via trade so that was their planning. You know thomas wanted to. Have you know a solid three man group. they're veterans. it never came to fruition. Because grimes injury and it's unfortunate and happens But the biggest thing is just the fact that he kind of got away and became one of the best quarterbacks in football at a time when defense was one of the worst. It does stink. Yeah absolutely do one move on to some of the guys. At the falcons did ultimately bring on to the team and i wanna jump straight to the one trade that they made in this offseason because it was a significant one and you sort of hinted at that and that is they traded a seventh round. Pick seventh rounder to philadelphia for veteran corner. Asante samuel and that. This time samuel was still playing at a relatively high level. He was a good player. You know good history in the nfl. And you know. I think falcons media falcon spans sort of agreed at the time that this was a steel getting a solid corner for a seventh round pick and he bore that out in time atlanta he. He was absolutely worth that pick and probably more and especially in the light of the fact of what we just talked about with brent. Grimes the majority of this season with your thoughts on thomas. Dmitrov pulling off this trae bringing in. Asante samuel yeah. I mean it was an absolute coup and mitch off. Didn't make many moves to write home about twenty twelve but this was certainly one of them. And i think if nothing else sunday samuel brought a swagger to this unit debt was sorely needed Just a guy. that's you know. Played at the highest level rate in super bowl for with new england's been a multiple time. Pro bowler had a season where he had ten interceptions which is just mind. Boggling to think about You don't see that too much anymore. yet. It's just an absolute ball hawk. A guy that knows how to bait quarterbacks You know. I'll never forget how you baited. Eli manning in that. China's game was just absolutely awesome So yeah just just a great pickup and again talking picking up on the conversation about brent. Grimes can you imagine if if dementia off didn't pull off this move. You lose brent. Grimes in week one What they would have at cornerback. Dr robinson who was very up and down for his entire fabric career. Now they did have this this other guy robert mcclain which will talk about a little more sack. Some maybe that would they could have passed. But i can't imagine not having asante samuel and getting to the point that they did in the nfc title game so again in absolute steel of a move seventh round. Pick i mean i would have given a fourth or fifth round pick in and i still think it would have been worth based on his season in his level of play still in two thousand twelve. Yeah absolutely. I'm still a big fan of this move. I still think in tom. smith trump's time in atlanta. This was one of the best trades he pulled off. Maybe second only to getting a second round for harbison from the patriots This i want to touch on another player. That the falcons in the bringing in in free agency and you hit to that. This guy ended up being just another fantastic. Signing the falcons is robert mclean. Cornerback robert mclean he. He was in atlanta for several years. Had a really good run here. Bobby mack he he. Actually if i remember right was one of the highest ranked corners on our team by f. score and that's one of the twelve season. He came in you know he. He played primarily nickel corner and ended up being one of our best defenders on the team. so again i think as we look at the success that the entire team had particular the defense. Especially when you've lost a player like brent grimes to injury the fact that they were able to bring in this free agent who really. Nobody knew much about. He wasn't someone that People were banging down the door to sign him and he comes in turns in the phenomenal season as that nickel corner Give me your thoughts on this signing and really just another. Another big win by thomas dmitrov. Robin maclean was an unsung hero. Twenty twelve you know. Filling in for brent grimes when he went down absolute jam. This sam move were were thomas. Mitchell's s work in two thousand twelve and really kind of gives him salvageable grade on this off season. As you mentioned you know he was he was one of. Bff's highest ranked quarterbacks eighty three point four grade in two thousand twelve. And i think through this winter over the summer when i was kind of revisiting some of these twenty twelve games during the quarantine i think. Robert mclane is the best falcons nickelback of the last ten years. I mean brian poole was the only other one that comes to mind. But you know what. Bobby acted in two thousand twelve season. I mean the the monday night. Football game two against the broncos when he intercept painting. I mean that's one of the highlights of this season for me. And i think all the way throughout he was a solid player. Man really fortified A unit that was in total flocks after week one not knowing how they were going to replace their franchise tag playing brank rhyme so robert mclean gem of assigning a guy that was a no name started his career and carolina. Played a season in jacksonville. But it wasn't until he came to the atlanta falcons in two thousand twelve and stayed here for three years where he really made his mark in the nfl. And just a great player and would have at. I don't know if the falcons would be where they were like the same. I don't know if they would have made the title game if it wasn't for rob mclane only blow through Pretty quickly they also brought in quarterback luke mccown again sort of completely forgot about in the context of the season In chase coffman. Who had that the sideline cats you believe. It was in the playoffs. Remember that catch up absolutely now doubt. Probably only height of his career but certainly was a great catch In that seattle game a guy that was very highly ranked coming out. Didn't live up to that potential. But you'll always have always had that tapper Seattle game look back on so the absolutely in the the final names safety. Chris hope and linebacker lofa to who ultimately didn't even play the regular snap. Snap in the regular season for the falcons. So and that closes out the free agency discussion for two thousand twelve. Obviously some good moves here. The samuel move the robert maclay move and honestly it was as much about keeping some guys. They had drafted some of the guys that have been around for a while. Abraham and tom mcclure so the obviously the next big component of this is what he did in this draft class. That is going to be a very interesting discussion before we get into that. 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Two thousand twelve draft class and really as part of the discussion with the two thousand twelve draft class. We have to talk about what happened in two thousand eleven. This you know the falcons in two thousand twelve would not have a first round pick because it was part of the package that they gave in order to move up with the browns to draft. Julio jones so in many ways you can look at this first. Round as the first. Pick for the falcons in two thousand. Twelve also julio jones but obviously giving up a first round pick a fourth round pick has has a consequence and the falcons wouldn't draft until the second round. I believe the fifty fifth pick with this draft class and this first round was loaded with a lot of talent. Guys that will go on to become longtime contributors. God's they're still playing in this league. Like a fletcher cox that are still high level contributors and in the light of that matt when we think back at the julio jones trade and just the sheer amount of draft capital of gave up and how the two thousand twelve draft class ended up playing out. Would you do it again. Would you make that trade for. Julio jones were do you feel like the draft capital. That was spent was just too much for a player. Even the one the caliber of julia jones. I mean if you're gonna play that game you have to look at where the falcons would have been picking in the first round which would have been the twenty second overall pick. Cleveland browns ended up taking brandon. Weeden which is a major. He likes moment for them. I actually tweeted this out. I mean the browns did not take advantage of the picks of the falcons gave him. They got brandon weeden They got a nose. Tackle phil taylor. They took a fullback owen. Marie in round four. And then they took greg little seaver which i guess would have been if the falcons wanted to get a receiver. And they didn't they didn't end up making the trading twenty seven to move up. You're talking about getting greg who flamed out in the in the league after a couple of seasons. So yeah i'm i'm doing this trade ten out of ten times. Julio jones you look at what he's meant to this franchise the type of type of guy. His type of person he is. i mean. Just an unproblematic Diva type receiver in. Today's era is just almost unheard of. So i do it again. You look at what they could have had if they stayed. Put at twenty second. I'm looking david decastro. Staring at me right in the face that would be nice to have that would have stabilized. The right guard position until the current day cause damage decastro has still been a solid buyer for the steelers up until this moment but again passing up on julio jones who's gonna go down as probably top five receiver of all time if not higher. I'm okay with those consequences to miss out on a right guard. Who's a good right guard. Pro level right guard but i mean the type of impact. Julio jones i mean. We're even seeing it now. The games that he has not played in this twenty twenty season Certainly dirk cutter has has a part in that for the offense. You know fizzling without his presence but he certainly big important piece to this offense and he has been since the momento jones drafted so for me. No regrets i do this trade ten at ten times. I think i'm with you there. Lou jones is just one of those guys. He transforms an entire franchise in his mark. On the atlanta falcons will be felt long after he retires. So with that. Said let's get into the actual draft picks so in the second round with the fifty fifth. Pick out of wisconsin. The atlanta falcons took the infamous pecans the center. Who's coming out with the pedigree of being a wisconsin offensive. Linemen and i want to say because i feel like hindsight is twenty twenty. We can look back and make fun of these players but at the time. 'cause was considered one of the best center prospects in this draft class. He was a guy that was again coming out of a school. That was highly respected for the offensive. Linemen that came into the league So even though we know he hasn't panned out now looking back. I think going in this pick made a ton of sense. Tom clear was on the wrong side of thirty. It looked like he would retire. He in fact did end up retiring after the two thousand twelve season. So this was certainly a position where they had some need. And the round made sense. So matt whether your thoughts on the drafting of peter cons. Yeah i mean the way. I remember it back in. Twenty twelve was kind of a similar light. When peter kann fell to this pick a guy that was widely regarded as the best center prospect amongst the consensus. I i didn't see anything wrong with it. again you know. There was an obvious need. There's pedigree like you mentioned of wisconsin in aligned factory. So right then and there. I don't think you can fault the move now again. You look back at it. You look maybe why. It didn't work out. Constant dwell on the bench press. He was one of the He had the lowest man rafts or one of the lower amount of reps at the combine for lima which sometimes can be a red flag. So you see how that transition to the next level when he did deal He had some issues with dealing with strengths. Got overpowered at times against Nfl caliber defensive lineman. And then you think it. Who was the old line coach. What schemed in iran In twenty twelve to twenty thirteen they're aligned coaches pad hill and they had tight The year after in two thousand fourteen. Both those guys ran man blocking schemes. In one of the things you know. I always used to remember telling my south when watching this team during those late. Mike smith years is may in the personnel. That they have. It is so much better suited for zone. Blocking scheme peter collins was the classic example of that. And that's why it didn't necessarily work. Is they fit. This guy in to a scheme didn't suit his skill set. And i think that you know if i had to say why it didn't work out. That would be one thing. I'd point to is that you know pat hill mike. Tyson rambam blocking schemes. And it wasn't until shanahan came in twenty fifteen that he implemented zone At that point. Peter cons kind of fell out of favor. He wasn't a draft pick. You didn't put any tape on. So why would a new regime wanna keep him But you know who's to say couch shannon. Come around sooner and was the coach That peter cons might have worked out but again in the moment it made all the sense in the world. Best center prospect. He fell to fifty five. They have the need they have to try to replace. Todd mcclure After twenty twelve. So you know looking back on it. I don't know how you can fault them now again. You know if we were in the position of what do we do differently while you know levante david was there. A couple of picks later guy. That's you know very underrated for the majority of his career. Nevertheless and stud in the middle of that defense and you know why not your defense. We about how they needed a middle linebacker. Replace curtis lofton. So there wasn't need there. But i guess they had so much faith in their third round. Pick a team dense villanova's shoes they. They pivoted off of that plan. Maybe but man. It would have been great dad him in kind of hurt. A division rival the same. Move but Again looking back at this first pick up. it's hard to really say like hey This was totally off. The wall came out of left field. Like why would they make this big. The logic behind it made sense just didn't work out and sometimes it happens in the draft yet. I guess what makes it. Worse is in this particular draft class. This is the one where the future of the legion of boom was built. You know this same round. The second round was where bobby wagner was taken and this is as you mentioned they also have labonte david guys who are still playing in league still playing at high level. You also have tackle cle- osa maili. Tyson club was nearing the end of his time. And you know he that that certainly would have been the need for the team as well. So obviously you know. The the falcons did end up. Going centered the move made sense but it had repercussions ultimately third round pick. Now now we get to go into a pick where there were some definite issues with the guy they took your matt. We certainly can laugh about this one. Cry if you will right. Yeah this this is the one right off the bat where it's just like when this happen. I'm like who who's little yet. And with that with the ninety first pick in the third round of the southern mississippi. The atlanta falcons drafted tackle lamar homes. And i will say this. I don't know why remember this. But i remember an interview with thomas dmitrov not too long after he drafted homes and he referred to him as a wide load which is appropriate. The guy was six foot six over three hundred and thirty pounds at the time. He was an absolute monster of a man. Huge arms huge hands honestly. He was one of those guys that you know he. He looked like he the athletic profile. He was obviously very very raw coming out but third round felt incredibly rich for this pick. I think a lot of people thought this guy would go late rounds and probably potentially be an undrafted free agent. This felt like one of those picks were thomas. mitroff was really reaching and he was just thinking. I i'm gonna prove you guys wrong. I'm going to find this tenure tackle in the middle of the draft that no one knows. And it's gonna look like a brilliant move and it obviously didn't play out that way so matt your thoughts on lamar homes in the third round. I mean this was by far the worst. Pick of this class. I get you know again. You bring up the height and the weight you get where they're coming from because of how that to eleven playoff game with the giants ended in just got pushed around. You couldn't do anything on offense and kinda started up front And and there's the whole of tyson klebo getting up there in age. And you know sam. Baker's been banged up. Been in and out of the lineup too. So you need to add some tackling there. You need to have some plan contingency plan for the future. But man lamar homes. Wasn't it it he that again when it was picked on like who is this guy seemed like a couple rounds at least of a reach And again i wasn't studying his prospects sacks than but you just look down the list of a little bit and see what other tackles could they have taken who who panned out more and Bobby massey's a name that comes to mind was in pick one twelve so you know about twenty picks after lamar homes. Nearly fourth round. Went to the arizona cardinals. He's carved out a pretty nice career from south on the right side now in chicago. So again if they did want to get bigger upfront. Did want to kind of have a plan tackle. You know that's kind of where. I'm looking at That that they could addressed it in this draft Couple of other positions again if they didn't want to go offense of line You wanna go again. Linebacker was was a physician group. That i wasn't very comfortable with especially considering they let go curtis lofton and we're trying to plug in a guy that i was never high on again. Akeem den not to make this. The akin slander show. But i never got that move and i never understood why. They thought that he could take over for for curtis lofton but again. This was a great linebacker class at the top. Yet luke equally we already mentioned david in bobby wagner. Dont'a hightower is also in the first round but there was a guy that i liked again didn't have a global type career or anything but nigel brad was always a solid player. Ended up becoming a solid player on the eagles. Super bowl team But he was picked one four the bill so they weren't gonna go offense of line. I wouldn't mind seeing them. Take nigel brad. Him to again provide some more competition and not. Just give the job to akeem. Dan macomb earn it and just really stabilize a position group. That other than sean weatherspoon doesn't leave you. All you know tinguely inside very excited talk about. So you know again if they didn't go by massey and then go off line like senior Brad him here as we mentioned obviously lot. This is hindsight but there were options. There were options that on other people's boards looked like they were going to be better players at least potential down the road in the nfl. This one certainly was a big reach especially again for a player. That was likely going late rounds. Maybe even the drafted the falcons could have waited until six around seventh round. Maybe to grab a player like this especially for someone who's going to be developmental We did not have a fourth round pick again. That was traded away in two thousand eleven. We did end up with two fifth round picks however So let's go through those two guys real quick at one. Fifty seven of wisconsin. The falcons drafted fullback brady ewing and at one sixty four out of choi. They picked defensive end. Jonathan mask way. so let's start with. Brady ewing obviously fifth round pick. I am of the mindset. And i know many people agree with us. That a fifth round pick is rich for fullback in the nfl and especially in today's nfl. Obviously this is two thousand twelve but even then that was still at the time a very very rich. Pick for that position ewing. Obviously the pre-draft hype on him. Was he was going to beat of best fullback in this classroom. Whatever that's worth But again it just feels like you can wait until the sixth and seventh round even. Wait until these guys go on drafted to make this kind of move. And unfortunately hewing didn't pan out. He ended up being essentially made of glass by the time he made it to the nfl. So matt whether your thoughts on fullback brady ewing his drafting in the fifth round. Yeah i'm of the same mindset that picking a full back around five is very rich for my taste. It's tough judges swan just because you know you in good suffered too. You know serious knee injuries. To start off his falcons career never really saw the field. Because of it so again. I would have liked the scene. I guess what the vision was but at the same time you consider who they brought into the offense coordinator that year dirk koetter doesn't really as we've now more and more. Unfortunately he is not good at cultivating a run game Sort of bringing a fullback to do so he's vertical passing game coordinator doesn't make a lot of sense now again. You look at great Brady ewing you look at his measurable. You see that he was six foot. Two forty four seven six jumped thirty six and a half inches ten foot broad their kyle us check like so. I would love to see in a healthy brady ewing in unocal. Shannon offense in two thousand fifteen god willing. He could stay healthy So that would have been cool now to make some sense. I guess But for for the time that they selected him for the coordinator selected him for didn't make a lot of sense and again injuries or bad luck in that's ultimately why didn't workout but also the process in the logic behind it didn't make sense. You know you can see some chicken process with the first two gigs. Trying to get big offense lineman you don't really see here with fullback in dirt cutter style offense so you know again head-scratching move ultimately like it said didn't work out because the injuries but also the process was kind of flawed as well. Yeah that's that's really an excellent point about the mismatch between what the front office is doing in the draft. And with falcons trying to do offensively with dirt cutters so this felt like a really weird. Move with what you know. Cutter was bringing in the four verts. Screen game fullback really is not going to be a major option here and This is maybe one of the first cracks seeing with dmitrov and the coaching staff. Where he's going in one direction and they're going another. Maybe the drafting jones May have been the first crack between smitty and what he wanted to accomplish. And we're dmitrov thought this team should be having So the next pick. Jonathan mask way he also had a rough time atlanta. I think for different circumstances not do the injuries but he was guy came out with a ton of potential. I think fans looked at him as being someone that could grow into a decent pass rusher overtime. But he got buried on the bench by mike smith and this was an unfortunate trend with smitty in his time especially the last few years atlanta a massacre and the guy like lord seabury these guys who were drafted the mid rounds to become developmental players to turn into hopefully future pass rushers in the nfl. Just didn't get a ton of opportunities until there were injuries that forced on the coaching staff. So your thoughts on mask way the pick and whether or not his lack of productivity in the nfl was About him or about the coaching staff. I mean it kinda sums up this class pretty well to say john matt school. I was arguably the best pick of this entire class. Oh man that's brutal. But certainly a player that was a very useful rotational. Pass rusher and you know. I think your point about you know mike smith You know insisting on sticking with the veterans not developing the youth not you know role some of the guys at times. I mean i think that kind of was you know the undoing of john. Mass career In that's why. When dan quinn game breath of fresh air because he was so willing to throw out the young guy so early and who's to say massacre Had more of an impact you know Became a pro bowl or anything or jonathan are john abraham but i mean he could have been at least a croix bearman or at least had more of an impact as You you look at his numbers mean he was still able to get four or five sacks a couple years in depth role. And we'll never know what what could have become famous if he was given a more workload. but yeah again for fifth round pick This is kind of what you expect at the very least the floor is a rotation guy that can contribute and he becomes something else in boston. Some more you know it's like he hit a double or triple on that pick So yeah. I would have loved to seen him more now. It's kind of you know as a fan base one of our bigger. Bigger gripes was a. They didn't use the young guys enough Later in his tenure but Certainly like the pic probably would've done anything different. Honestly had i had a do over. I thought you know for what they needed. They needed to continue to add. Pieces to that edge rushing unit again. We're still on a never ending search for Asks rush and the only way to get there is continued through dark throws at some of these guys through At massquoi and i'd say it was a hit as far as you know if it's round late fifth round pick goes i think the thing to remember is fifth round picks tend to not work out the nfl. The success rate for these guys is really low for every grady. Jarrett that you find in the fifth round. There's thirty forty fifty guys. That just never pan out. So i think the fact. That mass stuck around for a little bit Did produce some productivity. And i think the pick made sense. He was a guy that has some productivity college in the falcons made a move to try to develop him and just in panel over the long term now. The last two picks for the falcons in this draft class while go through these real quick in the six round at one ninety two of mississippi state took safety. Charles mitchell. he's guy. I think ultimately just flamed out. I don't even if you played much on the team at all. And then in the seventh round with the two hundred forty ninth pick of south carolina. They took defensive tackle trayvon robertson. He actually stuck around a little bit. More than i remembered he was there for about three years. Never really made much splash. He had a hard time really. Getting a lot of playing time. Met any final thoughts on these draft. Picks that wrap up this two thousand twelve draft class. Not not too much. I mean again charles mitchell. I guess they're looking for special teamers. At that point they had william more just gave him a contract Year or so before. I think right so Not certainly not a guy that they were looking to take over or anything and at that point in round six again there. Wasn't you know when you get to this point. The draft like you said You kind of just hoping to get lucky. More or less or or drafting for trade switch wasn't necessarily The method or or the approach that the smith and dementia. You know pairing took as far as you know finding just trying to draft athletes china to look for traits. I mean they did always look for that. Good three counting that something known for But as you saw with the quin years. I mean they were more about traits based Athletes in prospects over anything else So with this mitchell pig again Hoping to get lucky open team they did not It is funny looking at pick right. After when ninety. Three tom compton. Tackle ruta who ended up playing a significant role on the twenty sixteen super bowl team and actually had to play some some snaps in that super bowl when schrader out briefly with injuries so again we talked at the top about you. Know trying to invest in the offensive line. Tom compton maybe would have been a better. Pick here Had you done things a little bit differently at the top you know. Take tom confident. One ninety two. And there's your swing tackle For the next couple of years. I need you. Don't expect find starter there but again. How can you in around six if you do you get absolutely lucky but more or less you're looking for guys that can contribute and then indian robertson. I mean you know. It's your the bottom of the barrel in the draft year or comcast range and like you said trading robertson actually ended up sticking on the team for a couple years You know kind of you know. The depth chart at defensive tackle was a lot steeper than it wasn't edged. So that's kind of you know was working against them as far as you know. His long term outlook is upside because he had guys like jonathan. Babbit no i think he's still praying jerry. In twenty twelve fright airy or repeaters vance bagger vance walker so it was kinda tough robertson to really carve out much of a role rather than other than a couple snaps here and there may be on game days but again us able to show enough to to stick on team as long as i think him in. Peter cons offered three three years right and then holmes was believe it or not was four years so again for seventy three years. I'd that's an accomplishment so as a win for trading robertson or we've talked about falcons free agency we've talked about this draft class So matt lawa. Give me your thoughts on what jim thomas dmitrov did in this two thousand twelve season. So i'll say to sum up as far as dimitrov work in this offseason. He he was more or less on autopilot there. There weren't a lot of moves that he made To really advanced team forward. I do want to bring up again. The move detroit. Seventh round pick for samuel and the very savvy underrated signing of robert maclean. Those were as two biggest moves. Those will what what are what he can hang his hat on for the twenty twelve off season to really get the team kind of over the hump in the playoffs. Winning their first. Playoff game of the mike smith era thompson trump era But by and large you know kind of missed a lot more than he hit in. We kinda just laid it out here in the draft. I mean this was a big swing and miss On the two thousand twelve draft in those had consequences that reverberated in twenty thirteen in two thousand fourteen in kind of play part In feelings those seasons being such a failure but Again he made enough moves and because of the fact that the season was such a success. Or at least you know don's terms of success because they made it as far as the title game Again he kinda gets somewhat of a pass but you know looking added a grade. I'd probably give him in the sea and it could have been much worse than i could be convinced that You know had had he not made those moves for samuel in mclean to really four five. That cornerback spot. I think that's a really fair assessment. I think he did a good job in free agency. You know making the trade. For sante samuel bringing in robert mclean and honestly i think it was about the guys up keeping around guys like john abraham todd mcclure corey bearman thomas day cooed. Harry douglas even brent grimes even though that didn't ultimately workout and then and then depth guys like jason snowing vance walker who would make contributions through the year but ultimately this draft class was just dreadful unknown. It may not be fair. I think the move for cosme made sense. But the reach on lamar holmes was just a terrible move and then the remaining guys just they didn't pan out and when you give up as much draft capital as a falcons did two thousand eleven to get hulu. Jones have to hit on that subsequent draft class. And he didn't and this was really the first big failure of a draft class he had in atlanta. And i think this one's set up the team for long-term with many issues with the depth of the roster with some key positions as we mentioned. You know we've mentioned pass rusher center etc on the one that keep hammering on that but given the the totality of what happened in the season they went thirteen and three in large part because of what he did in free agency so even though the draft was a failure. I feel like free agency was good enough to make this see if we're being really generous. Maybe a b minus but a c. Feels like the perfect average of what he he accomplished In the draft free agency combined. Which i mean. There's no question. This is the worst draft class in dementia off air. That stay right. I mean oh yeah definitely without a doubt. Look you look at every single class other than this one. He's gotten at least one marquee player. If not more twenty eight. Two thousand. Eight matt ryan will stop the list there. He doesn't nine he. At least got william moore. He swung and missed on his first round. Pick impre jerry twenty ten Got sean weatherspoon. Julio jones you get to this point. I mean there's there's nothing that he got that. That was a long term asset for them. So when you swing that you know when you miss that badly again it has consequences. I think that's a big reason. Why twenty thirteen in twenty fourteen were such failures and we went through it. I mean there. There was players to be had in this class. this was not like talent deficient class seattle. They literally you know built their dynasty with this draft class so again. This was a huge huge black guy. On the tenure of time submit troughs he was very fortunate to still survive it. And get a second bite at the apple with dan. quinn But you know other general managers might not have survived that but because of his kind of history outside of this one this was kind of an outlier. You can say. I think that's why you can't put this too much on him Again kaz for the for the majority of his tenure. I mean he. He did hit on more picks than i think he missed on. And it'll be interesting to see you know what the future holds now that they're looking for a new. Gm you know. Will we regret moving on from thomas. Dmitrov that'll be fascinating story to watch. 'cause i think ten more good classes than bad classes. This just happened to be dreadful. Dreadful is the perfect word to describe the two thousand twelve falcons draft class. So matt thank you again for joining me on this special. Look back at the two thousand twelve season with thomas dmitrov and how he did our former gm whilst listeners where they can find you and what you've got going on yeah well thank you again. Uw susan blast enjoyed doing it oaks. Listening can find me on twitter at matt. Kerley may t. t. k. a. r. o. l. y. What the future holds as you mentioned Formerly of rise a breeder now defunct rest in peace to the rise of reader. you know website mike put to rest Had a good run. And now i don't know what i'm planning on doing right now Communists enjoying guest appearances on. Podcast like this and just tweet so They can find me on twitter and everyone state s regards as always. You can find me on twitter at alcoholic w updates on this podcast and of course articles daily at the alchoholic dot com for matt. This is david walker. Thank you guys for listening in. We'll talk with you next time.

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The Dimitroff Years: 2008

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The Dimitroff Years: 2008

"The alcohol podcast official podcasts. At the falcons on. Espn podcast network. This is david walker. Today's special podcast. A review dmitrov years with the atlanta falcons helping with this task of invited a special guest joining each of these upsets as we break trades free agent signings draft picks made in dmitrov era. My guest. today is the falco hollick himself. Of course we have to start off two thousand and eight with one only dave dave. Thanks for joining me. I'm happy to be here and relive glory ears. Two thousand eight was certainly a glory year. So let's talk quickly about what took us into this pivotal season for the atlanta falcons. The first under head coach. Mike smith and new general manager. Thomas dmitrov obviously the two thousand seven season was the disaster where mike vick was convicted for dogfighting. Bobby pacino. left in the middle of the year. the falcons went four and twelve ended up with a top three pick And the franchise frankly was in shambles. It was one of the most devastating seasons. I believe in falcons history and even with vic many people were not many fans were not ready to fully move on from him as talk started. Drumming up that the falcons could consider a quarterback mainly matt ryan being the number one quarterback in that draft class. There was a lot of talk amongst falcons fans that they did not need to look at quarterback yet. That vick would be out of prison in the near future and that they could restart the franchise with him at the helm so before we get into that particular discussion which is certainly fueled with a lot of opinions including some day that you had at the time. I do wanna talk about free agency because coming in before we even get to the draft the falcons i think it's fair to say blew up the roster and they blew it up in a pretty dramatic fashion. I was going through in preparation for this podcast. I was going through the the names of guys. Who the falcons let go. I in who they signed in that free agency period and is a an extensive list. So dave i'm just gonna hit you with some of the departures. I want to start first with with these names because honestly some of this was you know. Maybe even stunning in in hindsight Some of the key departures weather the first names. I two names that pop to mind titan algae grumbler who had spent his career with atlanta They released running back. Work done Who is still part. Owner in the falcons franchise They traded away Former number-one pick dangelo hall to oakland for two thousand eight second round. Pick and two thousand nine fifth round pick. So let's just start there with those departures looking back. Did you feel like those were moves that the team had to make in letting go some of these veterans that maybe they were associated with past regimes that they wanted to move on from. Yeah i think. The algae crump Bummed me out Aside from jessie tuggle. At the time. I definitely would have told you that priority. Algae chrysler was my favorite falcon So seeing him go. While i understood it. Yeah not really stunk. But i also. I did understand. I think when we had a new gm coming in and when we had a new coach coming in that this was going to happen. Because you have to remember how ugly and dispiriting two thousand seven was like at the time you know. The phallic was pretty young. That was really my first full season covering this. I was like twenty three years old A lot more resilient. Probably than than i am now not as broken down But even then it was. It was just an insane season. You know you. You had your franchise quarterback guy that i loved and i think the whole fan base was behind you know even if things were frustrating in michael vick. You had the quarterback carousel that year between byron. Left which joey harrington in. Chris redman There just wasn't much on that roster aside from a few pieces on defense and roddy white emerging in two thousand seven happily the made you feel good about where they were going. So i think you know yes it kinda got blown up in yes. There were some players. I loved getting released but even at the time you know i think if i went back and looked at it i would have been upset but not enrage the way i would be like. They traded julio jones or matt ryan right. Now you know it just. It was clear that this team after the stink of betrayal and everything had to do something radically different and so those moves were were understood. They were part of the price of business and difficult. Although i think after two thousand seven as you mentioned i don't know that anyone was clinging tightly. He players at that point With the stench of that season on all the guys who were on the roster. I did hate seeing algae crumple ago. And obviously the falcons would fix that a year later when they traded for tony gonzales. Certainly but at the time tough to see him Even be forced to move on some of the other names that departed. You mentioned the quarterbacks byron left. Which and joe harrington were both released allowed to walk tackle wayne gandy Was another named defensive tackle. Rod coleman offensive jimmy williams. You know so again. Just just a plethora of guys who were starters or at least rotational players were just set sent packing Some of the guys they kept. Chris redmond who. Actually i think for a few years was looking back was probably a good move. He was a reliable backup He did end up playing a couple games in two thousand nine with matt ryan got injured. So you probably equality resigning there. And then they retained the tikal tackle tyson. Klebo who on the right side ended up being one of our offensive linemen for several years. So any of those names debut touch on as well as we look towards the free agent signings next. Yeah i think part of the reason that that got off to such a good start was because the falcons really did something that i think they. They consistently failed to do later on in their tenure. Which is your. It's different two players right. It's very hard to say. These guys need to go or you know. These guys are really valuable guy. Just your vision gets clouded by that but at the time they looked at klebo in particular i think a guy who had started eleven games in two thousand seven Had had four false start penalties. I'm just looking at this now But saw enough there in twenty six year old tackle to say maybe this guy can be an affordable starter for us and not only was he an affordable starter for them but he did not miss a game over the next. I think five seasons in atlanta so like that was an absolutely spot on re-signing for them keeping tyson klebo around. Then you know you. You mentioned redmond to. He was a really consistent. Backup for them. You know he I think had a for at least not a negative touchdown to interception ratio during his time in atlanta both as a part time starter in two thousand seven and then as backup to ryan and they really have been chasing. I think ever since. I sure would probably qualifies the better their quarterback here but for a long time there they just did not have that guy behind ryan So you know these are. These are relatively low. Impact moves klebo. Obviously it was a bigger deal because he did end up being such a consistent starter for so long but when you come in and this is what the next regime is going to have to do in atlanta and twenty twenty one. You can't just it all out you have to say who are the guys that are going to be contributors for us and one of the things. That's exciting about that to me. Is you might have a case where the new guys come in. And they do something that was able to do in two thousand eight. And mike smith was able to do and say you know these guys were overlooked. Maybe a little bit in the past regime where they we might have gotten to them. A little bit late But they can be quality contributors for us so we need to. We need to keep them around and make sure that happens. And i don't know who those guys will be but that's absolutely critical to getting back on your feet. I think they mailed in two thousand eight and again as we are looking at this from the standpoint of reviewing thomas dmitrov in the job he did. I think you look just what we've already talked about free agency and in hindsight all these moves made a ton of sense and in many ways he nailed it across the board with these guys so now i to talk about some of the players they signed because honestly i think this is where a again you can look at two thousand eight in my opinion as being just a banner year to kick off This new revamped franchise with what they did obviously in the draft which will get to but the signings in free agency. I thought were a home run and before we get to the most obvious name on the coverage is three players. The most insignificant is probably tied-in been heart sock. You know he came in. He was a blocking tight end. He he did a little bit while he was here. Sort of a inconsequential name. But they brought in safety. Eric coleman Veteran a kicker jason Who i believe was a key. Kicker in some of those Fourth quarter comebacks. Matt ryan would become known for his rookie year But the biggest name. I think barnen was easily running back. Michael turner He was a backup to ladainian tomlinson. for his first four years league he looked the part at least when he got chances with the chargers and we signed him in and i would argue to this day that he is probably the best free agent. Signing the falcons made in the past twenty five years. So i wanna get your take on these players. Obviously cohen less so part. Sock coleman elon. But especially michael turner. What's your take on the job. Dmitrov did in sort of nailing some of these key free agents. I think again. He never really got back to that right. I think the first free agent class was brilliant. And i think that what the falcons did that they failed to do since then is taken under. You know recognized asset in michael turner. A guy who didn't wear and tear on had looked really good in san diego certainly would have gotten snapped up by somebody based on the work he had done but you know really decided that they could with coaching staff that they were bringing in install ineffective game with a guy who again didn't have much in the way of tread on his tires and had a lot of promise was pretty young and they identified that guy and they went out and signed him and turner was an absolutely brilliant signing. And i think if you look at the signings for stephen jackson or even todd gurley this year like these guys that were big names and for one reason or another maybe their very best years were already behind them with turner. It was clear that you know his best years. Were ahead of. We could not have known how good he was going to be. There was just no way anyone could have known that even to metro but was a super savvy signing and it was necessary because the falcons didn't have enough running back and even if they had kept work done it wouldn't have had enough running back to support matt ryan is. He grew and they knew they needed that. And so those signings the signings of coleman who is an effective player for a little bit another savvy veteran signing and then elam who the wheels fell off of entirely you know a year later but was really good in two thousand eight. These were just like the falcons came into the year. And you know no one would have blamed them. Arthur blank certainly wouldn't blame them if they come in and been a bad team again. you know. that's the price of rebuilding. But that's not what they wanted to do. And i think again with the free agent signings that was the best example of dmitrov taking stock of what he had in front of him. And then trying to fill those holes in a way that was both forward-looking and let's take care of this right now. And i think the shame of what came after that as good as some of these draft classes for as good as the occasional free agent signing was there was never anything that cohesive again you know. He came in with such a good plan and carried the falcons along way But yeah that that to me. Turner was definitely the defining free agent signing for dmitrov. And and just a brilliant move. It really was. I i think again who could have seen that coming from them because for wrong but i believe turner led the league in rushing into thousand eight. I mean he was a sixteen hundred plus yards made a pro bowl like just a home run of of free agent signing. Yeah oh and that's the thing too is like he was so good and mike malarkey was absolutely at the time. The ray coordinator the offense it started out. It was willing to run turner into the ground. And i think the only thing unfortunately with turner's he did run them into the ground and by twenty eleven like it was clear that he was slowing down. But you know those first two or three years for him were just glorious. I've never. I've never seen a year again. From the falcons running back as good as some of them have been like two thousand eight. That was just. That was bonkers. I think jamal anderson's ninety. Eight is the only season. That really competes with that. And i think most people look back and they will credit this signing with helping to ease matt ryan into the nfl because we we lose track of it now with the nfl. Quarterbacks drafted they're expected to play immediately. Especially if it's a first round pick back then. It was somewhat rare for a rookie quarterback to come in and be the starter on day. One and i think we forget. That and ryan came in the falcons just like you said they had such a great plan for taking the load off of his shoulders to minimize what he had to do in the offense so that they could ease him into the nfl. And i think that became sort of a new standard for other teams across the nfl. How to ease a rookie into that very very difficult position I would say that the the reason we've seen matt ryan have as much success as he has had in. The league is due in part to that particular signing that helped to anchor the offense in his rookie year. So we're gonna get into the two thousand eight draft class next and this is certainly as we just talked about with matt ryan certainly one of the most pivotal ones in the metro air. But before we do that we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back. This is advertiser content. We now have two point. Three million people incarcerated in america less than seven percent of them are incarcerated for violent crime. That's attorney geoffrey. 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For this atlanta falcons franchise so dave first half. We talked about free agents. That's only one half of the equation. If you're going to have success in the nfl it comes down to what you do in the draft. And maybe more importantly than anything. Many gm's will hit on numerous numerous picks. But until you get that first position cemented the quarterback position you can hit on a bunch of picks and still flame out as gm. So let's talk about this two thousand eight draft class. It's certainly starts at the top in the first round with the third pick. The atlanta falcons took matt ryan quarterback out of boston college. It seems so long ago and yeah that was just twelve years looking back. The two guys win in front of him. Tackle jake long. Who went to miami who had a decent career and Defensive end chris long who went to seattle he actually. He had a pretty long in in good career in the nfl as well. But i think bar looking at the first round draft class. There is no player who had as good a career across the board of any of these guys. The matt ryan So talk about the matt ryan. Pick what you felt about it at the time and looking back how you feel about it now at the time it was So here i get to do favors thing which is open myself up for ridicule over and over again so i was glenn dorsey enthusiast at the time. That was my guy at defensive tackle. And i looked at the falcons defense. That was like what they could really use. Is somebody to pair with jonathan babbo You know try to create. The foundation for a dominant defensive line was already. I think pretty clear at that point that jamal anderson was probably not gonna work out but i was like give them the help. Let's see what happens. And i was one of those people that thought you know you could wait for joe flacco. You could if you really wanted to wait for brian brom or chad henny and and you know maybe really worry about getting your next quarterback You know a little bit down the line in favor of dorsey and part of the reason. I thought that at times because matt ryan was the local guy you know he was on. Tv a lot near me. Because he was quarterback for boston. College and i had seen some of his decision making and at times i was. I was just not impressed by it. I was like a good player. But he's gonna throw. I think too many interceptions and make too many shaky decisions in the pros so that was where i landed on. That was don't do it. Get glenn dorsey get jake long. Shore up the lines built from the inside out worry about quarterback in the future. It obviously didn't take me long to figure out that was wrong about that. One very little time at all ryan was obviously impressive right out of the gate and then has cemented himself as not only the best quarterback in falcons history but he will go down as a hall of fame caliber player whether he makes it or not. So that was. That was the master stroke and i think it seems so easy now to have to remember that he got picked number three. You know that he did not go to a quarterback in eighty team. In front of the falcons. Sometimes these decisions aren't slam dunks. And sometimes you have regrets about the way things went years later. Even with the choice of the quarterback you pick. I think the bears would trubisky is a classic example of falling in love with the wrong guy and talking yourself into somebody who maybe isn't the right. Pick so for the falcons to stick to their guns and say ryan's guy again. We're going to build this team to make him successful as quickly as possible. You know that. That's an approach that has borne a lot of fruit. It's never gotten the falcons quite where we want them to go but it was clearly the right i pick in in remains the defining pick really of the entire era for thomas dimitrov. Yeah and i think you will be forgiven the multitude of sins as gm. If you get the quarterback pick correct and ultimately i think in many ways that is what happened with the falcons because as we go into future years. I think we've talked about this at the alcoholic but there were several draft classes under mike smith and dmitrov that were just absolutely terrible for for one reason or another sometimes injuries play a huge factor in that and sometimes it's just picks themselves but you have a quarterback here who literally without his fourth quarter comebacks in the mike smith. Years with the team would have never had a winning record I told someone that statistic Recently and there were stunned but even in the thirteen and three season of two thousand and ten matt ryan had six fourth quarter comebacks. You take those away. And that's a seventy nine team. And that shows just how much of an impact having that that one pick can make on an entire franchise indeed for more than a decade. And we're still in many ways benefiting from it or adversely benefit from it. Because the team continues to win maybe playing themselves out of premier stock position for the draft but l. Here we are nother pick in the first round. For the falcons in a feel like this one is going to get some fans lit up because they traded up to get this guy and he does not have a great reputation with falcons fans the twenty first pick in the first round sam. Baker left tackle. Se in just reference. I do wanna point out in fair or not. Fair dwayne brown would go. Several picks later to houston in obviously brown between him and baker had the much better career of the two guys. Dave told me about sam baker whether your takes on him in the falcons really going up to get him. It was a huge mistake. I it was. It was an obvious mistake. Maybe not right. At the moment. I think the hesitation was the team choosing to trade up to get him and you know i know they were looking for that. Long term. Blindside protector from at ryan. Baker had enough question marks. That i don't think he was the guy that you should have traded up for. I think that if you look back at that draft class and how things went down I think the falcons got a little bit jumpy. That they were going to lose their shot because not only did jake longo right at the top of the draft but ryan cloudy. Chris williams gusta chair less jeff. Ota these guys all went between You know the first in nineteen th pick so that run on tackles had already kind of happened and so you were left with. I think either baker or dwayne brown. And i think the falcons you know. Maybe it's easier to say in hindsight. I think if i remember correctly i like brown better at the time. But don't quote me on that. Because i'm probably wrong You know at the time the falcons felt like they were not going to get that tackle and they were going to expose. You know matt ryan to an absolute beating without one so that it was a little bit of a panic trade. I think you know. We've seen how tom Dmitrov got with trading up over the years. And i think this is just a classic example of him identifying need being afraid that need was going to go unmet and making the move. He felt he needed to to get up there. And i think when you look back on baker's career it's fair to wonder if he would have been better had he not been hurt. The only played eight games his very first year and he played. I think full sixteen game seasons. I mean his twenty. Twelve season was brilliant. It was actually a great season But everything else in between there there were issues here and there but i think he was a pretty solid tackle. I think it was defensible. Trade up to get him. It's just kind of a shame. It didn't work in that. In the end you know. Especially after he got his big contract he just was not the same guy and he was not out there a lot. And i think he played nine games as final two seasons. So you know maybe the right move time wrong. Guy in retrospect and even at the time probably but it's hard to blame the in a lot of ways for not wanting to get matt ryan killed immediately entering into the league like it came from a good place that that trade. I think it did. Yeah i think the move made sense and as you mentioned. It's probably a good bit of hindsight to argue between baker and dwayne brown. I don't know that there was a massive consensus. The brown was better. I think it was probably split. In the falcons certainly thought they saw something in baker and as you mentioned injuries are sometimes you can't predict that and it does have an equalizing effect across all franchises for better for worse. All right second round. This is interesting. Because i feel like this player was i don't know i i'll have to get your opinion on this. A curtis lofton at number thirty seven. Pick linebacker olive oklahoma. He obviously didn't last with the franchise as long as many people thought he would. But i would argue for several years time. He was here. He's actually a quality starter and they clearly drafted him to ultimately replace keith brooking. Who would depart after the two thousand eight season. So what are your thoughts on. Curtis lofton in the draft pick itself and his time in atlanta. That was a a no brainer to me. I like lofton pick at the time. I liked lofton throughout his tenure in atlanta. I think he's just one of those weirdly forgotten guys now. You know when. I think about linebackers putting together like the best of the last decade. Listen and stuff. I always was surprised to see lofton's name. Even though he started almost every game for the four years he was in atlanta and he had gobs tackle several big plays That twenty eleven season by him was terrific. One of the better ones. In recent memory for a falcons linebacker and who's a great fit for what mike smith wanted to do on defense so i think that was a really savvy pick. I think curtis lofton was good underrated player. And i think it's kind of telling that the falcons had so much trouble for so long linebacker after he left. I think it was a mistake to let him go. I'm not saying that you know he would have rescued that defense. I don't think there was anybody. That was gonna rescue. That defense. Under mike smith But yeah that was another. I thought a great picks filled a need and he ended up being equality starter for four years which you know We've seen a lot of second round picks in atlanta not. Go that way over time. Absolutely some of the other names in that second round That standout players that you know the falcons may have had an opportunity to get running back matt forte wide receiver. Sean jackson defensive at campbell. see her and running back ray. Rice some good names in there. But i think in looking at the needs at the time curtis lofton to made a ton of sense and his plan atlanta justified where he went so again. I think another solid pick But as we get into these later rounds this is going to get interesting and this is i. Think the if there is a strong criticism for dmitrov in in his draft classes. It's that the middle rounds tended to be wildly erratic in the hit rate especially under mike smith. I think we actually saw more success under quin than a under smith but this was the first time as we get into the mid rounds so third-round sixty eight pick. The falcons took chevy's jackson cornerback. State actually had three picks in this round. So i'll rather all three these off real quick Number eighty four. Took harry douglas wide receiver out of louisville. Who went to jones high school here in georgia and the number ninety eighth pick they took thomas day cooed. Safety of the california to those names. Jump out. I think for good reasons jackson. I think anyhow so let's look at these three third round picks What's your feeling about the qualities the quality of these guys and how they may have ultimately worked out whether to metro did a good job with this particular third round. I think by and large he did. I think you know. Douglas in decor guys. That aren't maybe as remembered. Remember it as fondly as they might have otherwise been. I think they do got a reputation as somebody who was not in love with contact and was a little mouthy certainly a little bit sensitive to criticism at times but he was a quality safety in for multiple years. And i think that that gets lost in that. I think he made a pro bowl probably twenty twelve. I feel like that's when everybody made their pro bowls He ended up starting the majority of the games for atlanta Over the course of six seasons like that's that's nothing to sneeze at. We've seen what's happened to the falcons. Unfortunately with injury safety in recent years you know my favorite player or anything. And i think he certainly had his miscues along the way. But the falcons were fairly decent bend. But don't break defense for long time there and i think that the decor was part of the reason for that so not like he was a good pick. Harry douglas obviously you know a guy that again think it's incredible that he spent how many seasons in atlanta Six zero through two thousand thirteen. Yes oh six seasons any scored eight touchdowns like you wanna talk about. Julio not scoring touched has its same But you know he. He was a reliable contributor of just an audience. Ask for the first three years of his career. You know a guy who who certainly got the job done was pretty sure. Handed was willing to block when you needed him to. But then obviously in two thousand thirteen with all the injuries he had kind of that breakout year where he was matt. Ryan's big target and fared pretty. Well that year and then he did pretty well the year after two so by and large he had a good career for third rounder. He was a productive receiver for six years in atlanta. That's nothing to sneeze at again if you get guys beyond the first contract and they're they're contributing at a fairly high level. That's that's a big deal to me third round or later especially and then chivas jackson I don't know what happened to him. Exactly up trying to remember if he was hurt or why he washed out but you know he played in his first year. He only started one game but he had a ninety five yard. Interception return for a touchdown play. I remember really fondly. Five pass deflections heat to me. First season he looked like a potential quality contributor and then he kinda got mothballed the next year and then he was gone so. I'm not entirely sure what happened with jackson. I think defensible given that at the time you know. He seemed to be kind of that. Big physical corner the falcons needed and eventually we try to replace with robinson and guys like that but obviously didn't work out. I big miscue draft. Miscue of the fat thomas dmitrov era Not the last one third round up by a long shot in fact it felt like for awhile there. The third round was became his achilles heel of of all the mid rounds So fifth round the falcons actually did not have a fourth round pick in this draft class believe they traded out of it The fifth round at one eight actually had to in the fifth round this well at one thirty eight. It took robert. James linebacker out of arizona state and then number one fifty four infamous name if you will In falcons history croix building defensive and other montana defensive end slash safety. So what's interesting about. Robert james dave as well as look at it this. This guy stayed on the roster for like five years in. I don't think ever actually did anything. Except he played mostly on special teams. He was one of those guys that sort of got buried by smitty onto special teams Obviously the more notable name here risk roy bearman who actually did end up having a long career with the falcons relatively long all things considered so. What are your thoughts on these players. How the fifth round played-out well james's guy who especially because i did not spend a lot of time and energy on special teams and breaking down snap counts and stuff. Early on in the falcons. And so you know i think some of his contributions they are probably got overlooked by myself and other members of the fan base because of that was a contributor on special teams Especially you know in in twenty twelve however joke with him used to be. He must have something on mike smith because he just was there and he was always there he was always making it in the last linebacker spot in you could never point to a game and say he definitely did something but i look back on it now to have this up in front of me and he only played one game in two thousand nine two thousand eleven in two thousand thirteen so we really only contributed on special teams in two thousand twelve so you you can't explain that to me. Maybe he was a great locker room guy. Maybe he did have pictures this video. Whatever it was robert. James was obviously a wis. You know he was a west. Mike thomas dmitrov and there were there. Were whiffs let's be honest. You know there were whiffs. Plural in this draft class for biermann was not one of them. Bearman is a guy who i firmly believe. Had he not been thrust into a full-time starting role. Because of the falcons own personnel failures. You know to get guys who were better than roy bearman so he could just be rotational defensive lineman he would be remembered very fondly today in the same way that i think a guy like kamala schmil is mostly remembered fondly today because he rarely got overexposed he had one stretch ishmail where he was a starter for abedin's okay but mostly he was just a guy who had a knack for making a big plays a backup and was a key special teamer and biermann did everything he was asked to do. He's something ridiculous like in the top. Ten all time for saks. For the falcons which is nuts But versing in suppressing very depressing but he was the guy who he would do anything you asked him including play safety occasionally from like nolan picked one game if anybody remembers that he did kickoffs and that was that was who he was he was just a guy that like dmitrov looking for you know a chesapeake type defender they. They liked his versatility. They said that. Kind of in the pre-draft process. I remember for him and he came in and he was exactly what they needed him to be. He just got over exposed to this fan base and they kinda hated him because he was not a great player but he was playing starter snaps. Even other just wasn't an alternative. At least one that mike smith was willing to use so i think unfortunately he's more famous than he should be for a guy who you know. I think like day coup really if we're talking about that Played pretty well on balance the entire time he was here and certainly for a fifth round pick was tremendous value. I think we lose sight of that. Because in recent history. We've got greg jarett in the fifth round and that is exceedingly rare. Not just for the falcons. But for most nfl franchises you generally do not find a future pro bowler or all pro player at any position in the fifth round. It is exceedingly rare. There is a reason. These guys are going in the v. Six seventh rounds. It's not because these teams are all dumb and they can't see it's generally because these guys are not projected to be you know really really good players at the next level and biermann i felt like outperformed his draft status on whole And that's what you want. That's what you want from. Gm is for him to find quality throughout all the rounds In some form or fashion the rest of the draft class. For two thousand eight a was inconsequential. Run through real quick. But we don't have to cover these six round. They took thomas brown running back. George he never even made the roster seventh round. they took Fund not i believe is how you pronounce it quarterback out of arizona he never made the roster and in the two hundred thirty second pick was keith zinger titan louisiana state i think he played fifteen games completely inconsequential So now that we've gone through this draft class looking back on it as a whole. What is your overall assessment of the first draft class under thomas dmitrov i think on balance. Obviously it was. It was the transformative draft class. You got matt ryan. Who is the greatest quarterback in franchise. History still going a major reason. They were in a position to win as many games as they did over the last decade. You got curtis lofton sam. Baker thomas kuhn croix bearman. You know who were all key contributors and you've got all of them in the second round or later and yes. I think as we saw regularly in the mike smith era. In particular the falcons late. You know thomas brown got hurt. I think that's why he didn't make it. But you know they just wasted picks on guys who didn't end up contributing and that was partly a function of think how. Mike smith used young players but nonetheless it that kind of set the stage. I think in a lot of ways. For the waves the falcons with draft going forward which is they tended to nail those early picks unless injury took a bite out of parade. Jerry or sean weatherspoon down the line or something like that. But they did struggle in the middle rounds later Not always you know. He had plenty of good picks in there. But that's kind of housing's proceeded so when you look at it on balance i think you know the only other draft class. It really belongs in. the same. Conversation is probably two thousand. Sixteen the falcons under detriot this. This was the one that set the falcons up to do everything they did from there on out and i think if if you think that you know they had bungled this draft class right we would just be another basement-dwelling team we would have been this entire time in all the angst in worry that we've had over you know this team good enough to do acts or you know. I can't believe they lost in the super bowl. Just never would have happened at all so it really was the transformative class and despite its blemishes you gotta give the team a ton of credit for getting that one right as much as they did. And i think in hindsight and arguably part of this is because the falcons don't have particularly good franchise history but this draft class easily in my mind. Cements dmitrov is the best. Gm the falcons have had now. That certainly can change with whoever they bring in next. But i think it's hard to argue that the guy who brought in the franchise quarterback who has very legitimate shot of ending up in hall of fame Who helped to take this team to the championship games in one super bowl who helped build that roster over time that he was anything other than the best. Gm that this team has had and that's with having just walked away from him in nose. Sometimes it's hard to look at the success in the past. But would you agree. Dave that despite the way things have finished dmitrov deserves that recognition. It's especially in the light of what he didn't do thousand eight. There's no question. And i think you know the fact. That obviously the falcons to not have a lot of great gm's before dmitrov really shouldn't take away from the fact that he consistently presided over a team that was competitive and was really good. The the most successful it's ever been in. Its history for sustained time and yes. He is obviously the best. Gm in history. I think probably moving on with the right move in that a fresh perspective help. We'll know that that's all in the future. But there's a reason you know despite all of our frustrations with the way. This team missed Pass rushers it's spotty free agency track record beyond two thousand eight and all that He was the best executive. they've had There's no question that he was that without two thousand eight and without dmitrov specifically presiding over two thousand eight everything that preceded from there Never happens as i before. And you know if you're somebody who's kind of still scarred from the super bowl. And what if i had never had to experience that maybe that's a bad but If you look at this team success over the last decade plus. There's no question that he did. He set that up. He was the guy who made this happen. And i think as time goes on as was the case would like smith who i think is a lot more appreciated now than he was in two thousand fifteen People will look back onto mitch roth and say you know on balance you know. He did a really good job. I think he did. You know it's if they just come a little bit close from super bowl in one. And i think his place would be cemented forever. But unfortunately we don't live in that particular world so we're stuck talking about hundred two thousand once indeed. You mentioned a few things. I i'll use this as a precursor upcoming episodes Some of the trends that showed in this draft class the missing and in the mid to late rounds And then the trading up going after guys giving up draft capital to do that. I think these are two things that he identified about him. Serve self early on which would ultimately come back and a bite. The falcons on a few occasions. But on whole i think this two thousand eight season and i want to remind people that going from four and twelve to eleven five with a rookie quarterback at that time was completely unheard of it was one of the biggest turnarounds of any franchise in any sport ever and i remember that two thousand eight season people were talking about how incredibly notable. It was at the falcons from literally a a bottom of the league team to being in the playoffs. The next year with a rookie quarterback who would win rookie of the year An executive who would win of the year and the roster that got completely rebuilt and immediately banned. Begin to compete. You don't see that as much these days. And i think it deserves the recognition that we're giving it so dave any final thoughts on the two thousand eight season where thomas to metropolis time in atlanta. Yeah i you know. Obviously like i said i think we were kind of ready for everything to change at the end of last year and the team to bring in the new. Gm and coach. They'll finally be doing in twenty twenty one but you know he should be appreciated. And i do appreciate everything that he did for the franchise in. I think we'll always be able to look back at two thousand eight and see you know a guy come in to a new franchise and really install a whole new team. You know using a mix of free agency draft and things were on hand. And i i just think that kind of job is amazing in hindsight especially and given what happened after he got established. It was harder to take a critical look at the roster. Maybe but it was a it was a tour de force type of thing and if nothing else you know getting matt ryan out of it was a big big deal. So i'd love to be able to go back and relive two thousand eight from start to finish and realize how special that was. And then yelich keith. Brooking oh definitely definitely pay one of the most painful incidences. I can recall of that season so dave. Thank you for joining us to kick off the series reviewing the metro years in atlanta. Won't you tell our listeners where they can find you and what we have going on. Don't you can find me at the falcons on twitter. He can find all of us at the falcon hollick dot com and this week It's a little bit of a long leading up to the denver broncos game so we're taking a look at all the midseason awards we should be handing out midseason snap counts trying to look forward to getting ready for that last game before the by against the denver broncos and seeing one of the outcomes third win of the season or closer to seventy nine oh inevitable s for me guys on twitter at. Dwi updates on this podcast pep talk pod and of course articles daily at dot com so for dave show itself. This is david. Were thinking guys talk with you next.

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I guess it's good the young star fernando tatis junior goes on the ten day injured list but will not need surgery after hurting the left shoulder on monday. Night on that swing. This was five days after five games after he signed the longest contract. Big league history right before that fourteen years. Three hundred and forty million dollars was the deal on top down. He goes with a substation dislocation in the shoulder. But again. I suppose if it doesn't need surgery immediately. That is the good news with that. We welcome you back to another era of get up. We will be busy here become. Do you live as always from the seaport. District appears seventeen. Were brought to you by chase. We're bearing down on the draft around. One is three weeks from tomorrow and we've got to cover. He goes cindy let's rolling. It's time to get up with a ron whose future is in jeopardy figuratively. And maybe even literally could that future be closer than we think in green bag. We've got the answer. Meanwhile the fourth pick in the draft is up for sale. We'll tell you which team needs to go get it right now. And why plus has the decision already been made it number three and his. So is it the biggest draft mistake we've seen in years. Ten has joins ms party as we get up with you starting right now with the atlanta falcons to be open for business at number four in the draft. Adam schefter tweeting yesterday with teams locked into the first overall picks. The atlanta falcons now receive trade calls for multiple teams and are open to moving out of the number four spot fascinating to follow. And let's have that conversation as promised hasselbeck joining the conversation. The big swaggie was with us today and dan. Graziano are insider extraordinary. Dan we'll start there. That's the first pick. It would seem that anyone can go get. What is it people. You want as. They're contemplating going up there to get it. Well you look at is. Somebody wanna quarterback badly enough to go up there. After the first three quarterbacks are off the board of the two that are left is one of them of enough interest to one of the teams further down in the in the round that they would make a big move up. Now you're atlanta you. Stay put in draft a quarterback your quarterback matt ryan thirty six years old. You're not sure whether you're going to be picking this high again anytime soon. Maybe it's time to get your quarterback of the future if you believe that guy is there but they just watch the pick in front of them go for three. First round picks and a third. It's important for them to find out what the value is of that pick because it could be more significant than the value of staying put in taking a quarterback staying put and taking a playmaker like kyle pits so that that's the that's the calculus for atlanta right now. What is this worth. Water teams willing to pay for it. If someone's willing to if someone wants to come up and get a quarterback that price could conceivably be pretty high art markets. Gimme a team. Give me a team that right now should be on the phone with atlanta. Because we think we know what's going one two and three. I i suppose. Those things are etched in stone but so the teams out there. Basically know what we think we know. Who's a team. That should be out there right now. Calling up atlanta and not taking no for an answer and getting up to number four to take their quarterback of the future g. You want to give you want me to give you one a few because however giving you the one if i give you the one that's in the most dire situation i would think it would be the chicago bears because i know i know ended don this. Qb one and they didn't put it on the internet. And all of that barack pace and matinee tying them sales to keeping their job to and dawn is a risk full thing for them to do so they identified that they have the opportunity to get up there. And get one of these guys. Especially if just feels is sitting there. After the first three quarterbacks to take it i think they need to strongly consider trying to figure out how to get into that fourth spot so they can just fields at quarterback. It's a few of the teams but we when we've talked about chicago. And how bad they missed on mitchell. Trubisky and how their draft played out. I think they should be in the market for trying to get justin fields. If he's not taking in the first three picks back i just. I've got the draft order just sitting here and i just wrote down some arrows and i put a question mark next to carolina at age because people on this show. Keep telling me not to discount that possibility that i'm looking at denver at nine and looking at new england and fifteen. I'm looking at the bears at twenty. I'm looking at the steelers at twenty four. Who should be on the phone with atlanta to get that quarterback. Tim withing denver at nine one. Because you don't have to go too far so we're talking about. What the compensation is they're the closest one to me that makes sense. I think they want competition for drew. Lock maybe a replacement for drew lock. So that makes sense there. They've been rumored to be interested in other guys this off season especially guys that have had experience playing in the nfl. So look to me. I think it would be denver. But i will tell you right now. If you're atlanta one thing. I first off. I want to do it until that matt. Jones selection number three went in. I would make sure i knew exactly who. Carolina was taken before traded up. So i wouldn't do it until that card has been handled handed in. So would it be something pre-draft in my estimation if i were denver because you could move up thinking you're getting fields and you don't but i would say this atlanta you know. Dan made the case. About matt. ryan's age we. Will they be picking up. That high in the future reminds me a little bit about the new york giants. When he li- manning was their quarterback who knew how much he had left in the tank. They wanted to draft a quarterback because they were up that high so to me. I think atlanta's in that situation situation. Where fields is there. Then you don't treat back doesn't matter how much you know. Denver is interested in your pick to be clear your fields fan. We had a debate in their first hour here. And just this voice and a quarterback as well fields seems to have become the lightning rod and it's entire draft process. And i still can't figure out for the life of me. Why what is your read on him. As you break down these quarterbacks look. I think he's the second best quarterback in this draft and i think that is really not all that far behind trevor. Because some of the things that you can do. He's an accurate passer. He's a good decision maker. he makes the throws that that are routine that he should but then he makes the big throws. He's tough. he's competitive. He sees the field. Well he's got up let system that would put them in the elite of the elite. I've said it here before. I think he has the talent greenie to one day potentially being league. Mvp type of player. You can't say that for everybody. That's involved in this draft. There's a potential factor as well as the factor of the product. That you're getting right away. So yeah i like him. I liked them a lot through the entire process. So i'm not exactly sure why there's don't see it that same way. I'm gonna come back to this later in this hour. We're gonna come back to give. Gimme a finishing. Thought he'd go. Why just listening to tim. That's the part because earlier we enjoyed talking about. Just the feels falling. Tim just made the greatest point. The reason why everybody is so defensive about justin fields and this narrative in compensation. That's going on around. Him is because we all see the talent. We all of these football guys that's played. The game is looking at just the fields as saying yo. How do you not draft that. How do you have that guy. Even in the conversation for being the best quarterback that is why is such a visceral reaction when you hear the fields. Potentially being the last quarterback out of the top tier guys being drafted right and mel kiper didn't play the game and he sees it that way miller and todd mcshay everyone. Everyone comes on this show and says he's the second best quarterback in this draft behind trevor lawrence and yet he's gonna wind up being taken. It is a mystery. We're coming back to it. Meanwhile speaking of it mystery of beautiful mystery. Let's talk about aaron rodgers making headlines on and off the field and on and off the tv's hosting jeopardy this week and he's great at that because he seems to be great at everything but the speculation about his future continues and he's not putting any stop to it again. This was him earlier this week. With buddy pat mcafee predicted. We're exactly where we were Last year when i made comments after the draft and and throughout the season you know. I don't feel like any of that's changed All i can do is play my best and i feel like last year i did that. And and may throw a wrench the some timelines it may have been thought about desired but ultimately ultimately you know things haven't really changed on that front maya future Is is really a lot of. It's out of my control you know. That's why i went to using phrase mystery like because it is It is quite uncertain which direction things are going to go so fascinating to hear him talk about things like that and then we had shefty on this show yesterday and schefty added to it. In this way. I think of aaron rodgers drank truth serum and had his choice he would move onto another place that had traded up to get a quarterback in the first round. Okay so tim. I want you to know what you're walking into so earlier. This morning dan grazziano outlined the way. The packers do business. Marcus said i'm not arguing with you. Grass and then yelled at him for a solid three minutes so now that that's that's his idea of not arguing but let me let me restate this danger for you marcus and let you started again. The green bay packers do business a certain way they keep one eye in the present and future and to some degree. It has worked. They win a lot of games. They make the playoffs a lot but they don't win championships at the rate that some other teams do and i've forgotten like aaron rodgers. Looks at what they're doing for. Tom brady and tampa for example he might think i want someone doing that for me. Not making sure. We're still winning two or three years from now. Marcus how do you see it. The way the packers go about doing business. Why bit or get up because you bring profound thoughts out of me and this is what came to mind. And maybe i was arguing. Wait grozny it but the bottom line is to your point which you just said teams that are operating. Differently are winning super bowls. That's what they're doing the teams that are positioning themselves. Taking these risks are putting themselves in position to win games. Gross they have generational quarterback you operate differently with a guy that you can win super bowls with green bay talking about tampa data guy. You can win the super bowl with they operated differently. They said like all the starters from a super bowl team. You look at kansas city. They are weighted differently. They signed to neda eighty million dollars. They added weapons as the years. Went on. so look again about the. The bottom line is if aaron rodgers fields like green bay has not done what he's seen. These other teams do with quarterbacks that a generational talent he has he has the right to the way he feels now he should express dead but he absolutely has the right to field away feels go ahead dan. Who's winning all these championships. Besides the patriots and tom brady greeny. You said they're not winning championships. At the rate that some other teams do. You're talking about one other team right. The green bay packers won a super bowl with aaron rodgers. How many how. Many teams have won more than one besides the patriots. The patriots and tom brady of ruin this for everybody. The green bay packers over the last twenty years have played in more playoff games. Any team brought new england not close actually doing way beyond and they've won more playoff games in eighteen. But new england in pittsburgh pittsburgh got one more so you can't just engineer a super bowl title by like by signing a free agent or to you. There's a lot that goes into it which everybody knows and again the patriots of the because now the standard is have you one six one seven as opposed to have you one one or two which is what it used to be so i. I just don't understand the idea that oh if they went out and drafted receivers they went out and got this and this that would change them from nfc championship game participant to super bowl champion. If they believe that was the case then they would do it. But i don't think there's any proof that it is. Go ahead. marcus. Good argument here. Here's my point ross. I understand what you're saying. But if you're generational quarterback feels like that's what he needs to win a super bowl and he's watching other guys get these things done by their teams. He should have the right to be frustrated. If you're not making those rules that's why that's why this is such a hard argument because what you just say. It is literally what. I've been screaming for a year. What else does he need. They've been to nfc championships. But it really boils down to this. If we can feel that way the green bay packers can feel that way. Everybody else can feel their way. If aaron rodgers doesn't feel that way green bay has a problem and that seems to be the isu- based on everything that we pulled from what he's talking about with the france is an organization. I told you walked into the middle of something. Let me get. Let me get the conversation. I think that's the point that i know that marcus made right there. Aaron is clearly upset about shifter's point about a truth serum you don't need to give you give him a scotch and pat mcafee and how upset he is about the situation. He's basically said look. I've play by playing better than they thought i would play. And by the way they drafted a quarterback in the first round last year instead of giving me help he let us know. I've said all offseason and green. You probably remember as we were talking about. Walks in and wilson and they were unhappy. And where might they end up. I said don't take your eyes off of aaron rodgers. he's unhappy enough in green bay to try to force his way out now. It didn't work. But i believe and i said this last time i was on your show but if they do not win a super bowl this year then he is going to try to force his way out of there. I truly believe that. And i think he's basically told us that already. I have to leave it there. Dan i promise we will have more on this. Is the hour continues. I promise i'm getting you in. I feel bad because of the look on your face. You look for lorne break. I'm getting yelled so we will continue in a moment and we will have the forty niners have already made up their minds at number three and so now the about to make the biggest mistake of the draft. We'll talk about it. And then sam darnold celebrated getting traded away from the jets does any of our crew think the patriots accuse me the panthers. We'll be celebrating at the end. I'm a clip. get up on. Espn do you own or rent your home. Sure you and. I bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com. We're back on get up and wipe it. Clean is brought to you by core oxen. Nobody needed a clean. Start any than sam darnold. Did you see the reaction. He knows it is. He had a celebration with those close to him after the news coming that he's been traded from the jets the carolina panthers and no one needed a clean start more than sam darnold disney opportunity to wipe it clean. They're based upon the way things went for him in new york and get the opportunity in carolina and so the crew was hearing against a massive becca. Haven't had you on the last day or so. What is your reaction. What are your expectations for. Sam darnold now in carolina. And do you believe they're done at quarterback now again at picking it. Eight quarterback could fall to them. Are they setting at the position right now. I believe they should be and you know it doesn't mean depend on how things fall. I get crazy and they could be faced with a tough decision. But i think my expectations for sam or kind of what. I thought along that if he ended up somewhere else in a better situation than he had in new york that we would see things happen. That people thought what happened when he was coming out that he would go and kind of helped transform an organization that talented. I think he's in better system for him in carolina. I think he's gonna be surrounded by better players. And i think that the end result will be. We'll see better results. Out of sam darnold so look. I think carolina can build around him. That would be my plan unless something went crazy in the draft. And speaking of better situations marcus. I'd love you to explain this. Because i think a lot of fans. Carolina is not a glamor franchise for lack of putting it. And i think a lot of fans will think to themselves who will quarterback wants to get some place where call shanahan is or andy. Reid is were sean payton is we may look back on this. We may at some point soon. Be saying carolina is the place young quarterbacks and young players want to go because of the coaching staff. That people don't know as well. Marcus tell everybody about that. Yes listen. I lived all for three years. And i'm telling you right now. To carolina panthers are or the focus in charlotte north carolina and look this franchise. Obviously under rebel. Ron was run at at at a great standard and i think matt rule continues that we know what matt rule has done building programs and being the type of coach that goals and reaches four players that he believes in and i think that's the stamp of approval that obviously sam darnold needed coming out of that situation in new york. And then you couple him with joe brady who we saw work with joe burrow and make a jump from his junior to senior year to be in the heisman trophy winner and first overall pick and people say all what college well joe brady was also on the new orleans saints down who played in the league level of all fence and joe brady understands how to put his quarterbacks in a position to be successful. That's what coaches have to do that. The coach's job. I believe joe brady. With sam darnold's talent will get the most out of him. It's all to sam darnold to take that coach in and apply to the field. He will get what he needs from carolina. he'll get what he needs from rhule. He'll get what he needs from joe brady. And if he plays well and it's the guy that they think he can be. He'll get at love and support from the carolina panthers fans. This is great for sam darnold. It's up the hill to take to what he's being taught and applied to the field. Twenty three years old there'd be playing for its third head coach third offensive coordinator however dan there is still that potential wrinkle here if we get to a place where the carolina panthers round the clock at number eight and justin fields sitting there as tim just said they're going to have a fascinating little decision to make. What is what is the. What is the best. Guess at this point. Dan if you will of what we expect them to do their look in your hypothetical. You're assuming that fields is is the quarterback of their dreams right and if that's the case if they feel like the quarterback of their dreams or a quarterback they feel is better than sam darnold is available to them then they have to probably take him but on the fact that they made this move for sam darnold. They don't seem to believe that will be the case. And if it's not then. Carolina is incentivized to make sam darnold as successful as possible. So then you look at this picture being a an offensive lineman may be a receiver. Somebody that can help. Sam darnold be as good as possible so i think carolina's thinking that they're not probably going to get the guy they really really wanted. And this is the direction they've decided to go. Instead i will say this super-quick marcus go go. Go go ahead i. I just wanted to ask bras. Do you think that eight peak would become enticing. If feels this deal and air for some other late and cook carolina benefit short. We keep going all the way down around sure. If there's a quarterback available at a pick and the team picking their doesn't want him and someone else does absolutely. But i think i don't i don't it getting to the point where he's still there at eight nine ten. What we'll see if he's not there if he's still there a denver could come up and get in the patriots. Come up and get them. There could be a lot of intrigue tight guys. In the meantime we've got masters coverage remember tomorrow. And that is rory mcilroy alive picture of mcelroy. Who just needs a green jacket to complete the career grand slam. He's not having a great year. We'll see if he can start turning it around tomorrow again our first round coverage tomorrow exclusively here on espn three o'clock eastern tomorrow and friday. We've got the first and second round of the masters from augusta once again. Espn plus we'll also have featured hole and feature group coverage of all four rounds to get espn plus go to espn plus dot com or download. The espn app in other news. One of the twenty two women who have filed lawsuits against texans quarterback deshaun watson is now speaking out publicly ashley so lease was the first massage therapist who filed a lawsuit against watson alleging sexual assault and inappropriate behavior. The shawn watson assaulted and harassed me on march thirtieth twenty twenty in my own home doing love most loss therapy and got into massage therapy to heal their minds and bodies to bring peace. Their souls shawn watson has robbed me of that in a response to this news conference. Watson's lawyer said in a statement that the law firm representing the so lease quote sought one hundred thousand dollars in hush money and quote to quietly settle the allegations a month before the first lawsuit was filed and then this news just came in the. Nfl is investigating watson with a spokesman calling the allegations quote. Deeply disturbing a news just came in a short time ago. That nike is suspending. Its relationship with shawn watson. we will take a short break as we continue. Have the forty niners already. Made a decision about what to do with the number three pick and if so it's the biggest mistake we've seen in years we're talking about that in just a moment on. Espn hi this. 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The average nearly thirty more passing yards per game added all up. Here's the second highest career total. Qbr by any player since that metric was first used in two thousand four. It's only behind to tongue violence. So he's second on that list but he's fifth on this one todd mcshay as mock draft four point. Oh which he debuted with us last week. You see it right there. He's got fields the fifth quarterback in this draft but again when he comes on and talks about it he says. Everyone says they preface it with well. I think he's the second best quarterback in this class but mcshea has them calling their mel hasim falling. There matt miller hasim falling there. Everyone we talked to so. I can't get a straight answer grazziano. Why does everyone think the second best quarterback in the draft is gonna wind up being the fifth one taken. It's become this sort of narrative. Look i mean you talk the teams. Like i'm not here. I'm hearing more positive than negative about justin feels. I think he's going to be a high pick. All we know for sure. We think we know for sure is trevor lawrence at one. Zack wilson it to after that. There's there's a sense that may be mack. Jones is the forty niners guy at three. But i don't know that it's one hundred percent decided yet and it could still be trail. Answered could still be justin field after that is justin field. Still available is he. The atlanta falcons guy. Is he the guy that makes them. Think about life after matt ryan you know. Is it something. I mean the detroit. Lions are not in this conversation. Got jared goff. It is it. Is it out of the realm of possibility to think they might prefer. Justin feels long-term prospects. You start to you. Start to see a falling. Joey gallo made joey galloway. Made a great point last hour about this. One almighty draft board or oh this guy is now falling. It really depends on the team. What they like. Quarterback is a very subjective evaluation. And and it could be that. He's the apple of someone's i a lot earlier than some of the mock draft seemed to think right now understood. Marcus what having said that. And you're right and galloway was right when he said that there isn't one list that everyone goes off of. But guys like melon mcshea. They're talking to everybody. They're not just making based on their evaluations so from what they're hearing forget about what number he goes. He's going to be. V at a five quarterbacks marcus and that to me it doesn't make sense. How do you explain it. Well first of all joy and growls a boring everybody in the world know that these pick whatever the hell they want to be. Okay everybody under wimbledon. Okay here's the here's the thing. I think it was happen. G is that let me let me not give give a voice for everybody there. This is how feel why is just the field's not the second guy we're talking about. That's where i am like if we're talking about talent we're talking about the evaluation. I think what comes out is. Justin feels not considered the second best quarterback. And why aren't we talking about. Just the fields to the jets let alone third or to the san francisco forty niners after they gave away and made the trade to get up. I believe that's where it's coming from. Because when you when you talk to people to your point g and even enjoy wheel they all think justin this good and and can turn into a great player. Why are we not talking about him in that vein and having a conversation about well. We don't know what's gonna happen with just the field. We know what's going to happen with trevor lawrence. We know what's going to happen with. Zagreb wilson and we don't know what's going to happen with the feels therein lies the issue with the conversation correct and tim. Hasselbeck opened up. All of our is earlier this hour when you said you think johnston fields has the ability to be an mvp the league someday. So i'll ask you directly because i have a vested interest in this if you were making the decision and you had the second pick in this draft as the jets do would you. Would you take just feels ahead of. Zack wilson were. I would. But i would say this in terms of the discussion and why people feel that way. Look my list. Isn't going to be the same somebody else's list and matt miller's or or mcshea as or or any of that and i i was just say this in terms of zack wilson. Look i understand why somebody would have. Zack wilson ahead of justin feels. I personally don't. But i understand it and so now it moves. You took three. That's where i think that people can start their head a little bit and say well. Wait a sec. Why not jones instead of just field or trade lance instead of justin fields. That's where i think you can start to wonder. Am i being told the truth. And i will just say this. I remember the year. Daniel jones is coming out somebody. That i was very close with the new york giants. I had a long conversation. I consider this person a friend. I would not think that they would lie to me. We talked about daniel jones. They basically said under no circumstances. Did they think that he was that good of a player. They ended up taking jones. My feelings were hurt a little bit. Wait a second to for like you talking to me like a media person not a friend so it is that season. We need to be aware that graziano can relate. He knows that feeling all too well. Because you bring up mack jones. Let me bring that into the conversation. Here the mac jones of it all because matt jones a year ago at this time wasn't someone anyone was talking about being a first round. Pick much less the third pick in the draft much less. A team traded away three number ones to earn the right to draft him at number three overall but the conventional wisdom seems to be that to. What's going to happen here and so look who joins us here. It has been far too long since the legend. Paul finebaum has gotten up with us here. Paul it is great to see you. And no one knows alabama football. Sec football and in this case mack. Jones better than you do. So i'm booking you right now. Forget up friday morning the day after round one of the draft. And if this is what happened if mack jones is the third pig to the forty niners in that spot with everything. They gave up to get that pick. What will you say. I would say that matt jones going number three would potentially be one of the biggest stories in the history of the nfl draft. Why we'll greedy. You just said it a minute ago. A year ago today the year ago today there was no spring practice at alabama. We were not certain that mag jones would even be the starter remember. He came in the year before when two went down even after he did fairly well. Although through to critical interceptions in the iron bowl that cost alabama the gaming potentially the national a shot at the national championship. We still weren't sure they brought in a five-star from alabama that. Everyone predictably was in love with and we thought bryce young would be the starter by mid season and then jones comes into camp and he blows away the field and we all know what happened the rest of the way but but i still think when you consider the path and everyone wants to say well. Joe burrow's a bigger story. Rags-to-riches number one heisman trophy winner but joe burrow started his ponente year at lsu. Matt jones was playing behind to us. So i think the transition would be absolutely breathtaking. There's no question of that. The question then is good is he. So i mean paul you watch all these guys and you. How good is he. Well if you look at what he has done in pro days. I think he's spectacular now. The problem that i think a lot of people are having who were against mag jones. And i'm not is. He played with a fantastic offensive line. He had all world receivers wattle before he got hurt. And obviously devante. Smith he had nigeria harrison the backfield i mean he had more weapons around him. That you could dream up on a video game but i think that is being unfair to mack jones. He is smart He matriculated through the system. He did the job. I mean you could have chosen him as a heisman trophy winner. And i think it's legitimately possible that he will go this high number three in the draft and i'm gonna have a problem with it at all and so tim hasselbeck you were on this show and we have. You've probably seen it. We've played back the sound of it multiple times a lot of different people. Because you said. And i don't wanna put words in your mouth but based upon the one dimension he doesn't bring to the game and i'll let you get into it here that you would question taking this player this high. Go ahead and pick it up from there. Listen i think that listen the. Nfl is loaded with freak athletes. And so i think that the first round has reserved for the elite of the elite ended up seeing when you look back jones he. He was a really good player in college like a lot of what he does. I think he's fine prospect but he has athletic deficiencies. that's undeniable when you turn it on and watch it doesn't mean he can't be a good pro but he has. There are things that he doesn't do that. The best of the best to and so rather than taking tom brady. Who's the greatest draft outline ever and being like. hey. Tom brady doesn't move well. Mack jones move. Well we're good here. Well what if chris redman. What if he's davis webb. What if he's brandon weeden he's ryan finley. Let's not forget guys that we draft guys in the past that have had athletic deficiencies and it doesn't work out. You know we talk all the time about. Tiers of quarterback are winning because of that guy. Does that guy carrier team. Can you win with him. Are you winning in spite of him. I just to me. I think that he's a guy that's again a fine prospect but but he's not carrying your team he's not athletically gifted enough to carry your football team. Who just not and so doesn't mean he can't be a pro. It just means if i'm taking somebody number three. They better be able to transform my organization mentally physically all. Check all of the boxes. Go ahead marcus miles. Thank you so much for saying that. Clear something up. I we think. Mike jones is a good quarterback. All the people that you hear saying that meg jones is not a top. Three pick still thinks that mac jones is a pretty good quarterback. And if you remember g. I said meg jones to the new england. Patriots at fifteen was a match made in heaven based on what they did in free agency and what they did to that offense of side of the football. So don't get it twisted that. This is an indictment on that jones. Being the he can't be a first round talent or play in this league for green. What's tim point is free or you transcended or or you thought of as being a transcendent guy. Because that pick. Tim's point is reserved for those type of guys. There has never been a time in a draft that i can remember y'all corrective from rome. Y'all seen more than i have. Where i've heard somebody say we're gonna take this guy third because he fits not because he's transcended. He's elite and has a skill set that elite on the next level. The talk about meg jones going third is comparable to matt ryan and because e fits. Now i did it. I understand cow. Shanahan is the guru offensively and he can make everybody good. Remind me how many super bowls cow shanahan got zero the zero and then one second because this hold on one second. I'm going to produce the show from where i'm sitting right now. Even if everyone yells at me paul. I hope you can stay with me. Because i have to take a break. I want to come right back to this. So let's take a short break. You can roll. Whatever bumpy want. But i'm telling you right now. I'm coming back to this conversation. Maybe we'll talk about aaron rodgers if there is time as we continue to do robot. Talk about aaron rodgers. Come up what is if there's time remaining. We'll talk about aaron rodgers but we're coming back to this conversation next. We're back on get up there. He is bubba watson two-time masters champion. He will try and go after another green jacket this weekend and a reminder that we have exclusive first round coverage of the masters tomorrow beginning three o'clock eastern on espn round. Two is friday looking forward to it. As i've told you many times it's my favorite week of the year. Meanwhile we are three weeks from round one of the nfl draft. That's three weeks from tomorrow night. And we're in the midst of this conversation about mack jones who right now. Conventional wisdom seems to say we'll be the third pick in this year's draft and I did something that everyone was yells at me for doing. But i decided to produce the show from this chair. And i said we're coming back to this conversation because we were all yelling at each other and marcus i think tim hasselbeck just made an outstanding point in our repeated for everyone just joining us the next time anyone says to you. Well you can win a super bowl with a quarterback who's not that mobile. We just one with tom. Brady reminding. Tim has avec. Just said you were pointing out the greatest outlier in the history of the sport that guys lived and the overwhelming majority of the time. Does it work that way so marcus. That really is the question. If you're going to take a quarterback that high does that quarterback half to half the additional element of the athleticism to use his legs to make place. Yes yes we watch in the league first of all. Let me give context today right like. Did you see all of these forty times that these defensive players ran now. Did you watch aaron donal. Lynn floyd play by the way in that division. Where meg jones is gonna be. This is why people are saying this league is different. Now it does not mean you have to be the standard of athleticism but to be able to get yourself out of trouble. You better be able to move around enough because you are going to have two weeks thin. Plays there are ama- knows on defense. Now it's no longer marcus. Spears's that's three fifteen two gap in and playing the run and then guys come in the rest of the past. These dudes are elite athletes. They are different and that is why everybody is talking about these quarterbacks that have that athleticism trait having success. Look and i'll give you this last point. Because i wanted to hear paul on this and tim. Are we really upgrading. From jimmy garoppolo if we take jones. I think that's the question. A lot of people have to ask now if you tell me. The injuries audit concern. I get it. But it's mac jones really that much of an upgrade over jimmy garoppolo who went to a super bowl lost but went to one. That's the question that i have for everybody that saying jones a perfect fit. It seems to me. Jimmy garoppolo is this health has been the problem there. He's missed forty five percent of the game since he got to san francisco. All right paul. You've heard all of this. What is your perspective and more importantly. What can we expect to hear your caller saying this afternoon on your radio show as they dissect all that has been said here. Let me say this greeny. And i'm just a small town talk show host. I'm not. I didn't play in the nfl. Like my friend. Marcus with tim you know what drives me crazy for all of us to sit here and believe that general managers are going to make the right decision. I'm a fan of the draft. I don't post it. I watch it. And i watched the stupidest decisions made every single spring. And we sit here and act like these guys are curing cove. Come on i mean. I don't trust half the nfl gm's to turn on an iphone correctly. So you think. I'm gonna put my faith on them to make the right decision on mack jones or justin field. No i'm not. I have missed this. I'm sitting here saying why we not had find them on. And that's a perfect example of why. Tim has quick final word. Go listen to paul's point. You have to go very far. Go back to the twenty. Eighteen draft athletically deficient quarterback that went number one overall was baker. Mayfield look just look at the measurable on it. You look at the other. Quarterbacks taken after him in that draft namely josh allen. Lamar jackson physically more talented enabled to compete athletically. The level before they're able to catch up mentally to the game that's played on. Sundays is a fascinating thing. Because that historically was never part of the equation being able to compete athletically was never part of the quarterback position for ninety five out of the one hundred year history of the nfl. but now it is paul finebaum. What a delight. We look forward to the callers. Losing their minds over this conversation on your radio show. Thank you as we continue. We will get to aaron rodgers as we continue. is his future in jeopardy both figuratively and literally. And i want to make sure that you were aware that tomorrow we will be live on. Espn two with masters coverage on espn. We will tomorrow and friday same time. Different place we'll be live on. Espn to get how we are back on get up. It's been a wild morning variety of ways. But i suppose in the world. Aaron rodgers is hosting jeopardy. Nothing seems old hat strange. That's how he's spending this week and next week you'll see him as the host of jeopardy. Then the question is where really be spending next year and the year after that with so much relation about rogers future. Let me just sorta bottom line at here. In the moments we have left before i take takes over dan grazziano. All come to you is it. Do you believe it is the expectation in league circles around the league that rogers is going into his final year as green bay packer. There are definitely people who believe that. And there's reason to believe that a lot still depends on what happens. And i don't think any final decisions have been made by the packers. They're leaving their options open. They drafted jordan love in the first round last year. And obviously that means they believe he can be their quarterback of the future fan. Seen it yet because last year was so weird and he didn't have preseason games etc. Rogers wins mvp. You know this could still go a couple of different ways but the fact that the packers have left themselves open to moving on yes has led to a great deal of speculation around the league that this will be last year in green bay. Let's go a little crystal ball action here. Marcus do you agree. Do you believe this is aaron rodgers final year as a pack. The all last year was going to be his final year until you went out there and reminded us all well not me because i thought he was great the year before but he reminded a lot of people. He still aaron rodgers after a down year the previous year. So i think this will be his last year because he's giving all of the heads and you know why it's a beautiful mystery because aaron rodgers knows damn well he gonna make a lotta money and he going to be on a contending team when he does force his way out. What do you think tim hasselbeck. I think if they don't win at all they don't win the super bowl then he'll be unhappy enough to want to go somewhere else and i think he was kind of our. The at that point after this season is past season. So yeah. I think that's where this is headed. That betrayal of drafting a quarterback is high as they drafted jordan love when he still felt like he was good enough to win a super bowl. It's going to be hard for him to get over. And i think that it's kind of a grudge that he will hold if they don't get it done okay fair enough. I'm leave it there. Because i am told there is something i need to see. I haven't seen it yet. Stephen smith just tweeted. Let's read it. you'll get up. Espn forget all those football. Talk for a second. What if. I like to know what i would like to know is what the heck marc spears is doing having that picture of himself on his twitter page trying to look like a professor green. Who does he think he is. What pictures he talking about a that picture. Stephen is calling out on your twitter page market. Your reaction was you know haters on around. They like the send messages and they'd send them publicly. Stephen got my number. He could asked me on my cell phone but the bottom line is gm. See him in a in a in a few hours or our less and we'll get all it is straightened out but that's a nice day. I'm pitching. I don't care what nobody says that i believe came from our show. Tim and replaced zone background. I think takes anybody knows. I do believe that was an original. Look that was created on this very show. Thank you guys. Were getting up with us outstanding. Thank you getting up with us outstanding. We will see you back and better than ever. Tomorrow i'll be coast to coast on the radio and sixty seconds and i say starts now. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. Fortunately geico makes it easy to bundle your home and car insurance. 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We don't like the Saints

"I felt that turned out pretty well, never mind. I, love. Best. Hello welcome to the keep sounding podcast. We're finally back again. This is Brian joined by Brad and not John. Are you doing. A all things considered get say I'm doing. Good Doing well as always good, I believe the world has certainly gotten into a much bigger shit show since last time I spoke. Isn't that true every single day. Yes! It's just a mindless just. Just? I don't even know what the word is, but just path into the apocalypse I. Think is where we're going right now. To see the rapture going on soon, people floating in the sky naked. It's just GONNA be Great. But at least we at least we're still here to talk trash about the saints. WHOA WHOA WHOA. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Hold on, hold on, so. For those of you who have heard the voices that you probably don't recognize from a regular basis I have Gina. From the Falcons Alec. And I have DWI alcoholic are. Frenemies from twitter. And it's always a great time talking to them on the keep sounding podcasts, we always have great conversations, and totally not singling out one NFC south team in particular. So gene. How are you doing this evening I'm doing great Brian Thank you for asking. How are you? I! Am I'm something DWI? How are you? I've watched Hamilton five times since. It's good though so I can say them doing very well. Yes, Hamilton is excellent. All right then. You should watch it Brian. I I will I'll do that. I'll watch that so the reason why we have you to on here is its rivals week on SP, nation, and so I I was really really. Dumbfounded about who exactly in the NFC south I would consider to be the biggest rival team that I really hate the most I wanted to kind of get the roundtable going here and just figure out what team we all hate the most in the NFC south, so I'm going to start with deep. WHOA, WHOA, go ahead, Brad take. I. Don't think it's really a secret. I mean it's. I think everybody knows. Why don't they speak for your fucking? Self, grab. Well that's doing so. We're just going to assume that the buccaneers do not exist correct. The buccaneers. Don't exist. I mean to be quite honest. I actually Kinda liked the bucks because they have a pirate ship and their stadium. Yeah, well. As a dead man, but in the control room. Big Red. Button says dead man on it and. Allowed to push it. I don't know why, but some in Tom Brady with that button because he's five years old. You know they had to sign Tom Brady just to stay relevant. Really. Spend too much time talking about them. They brought Tom Brady back from the dead, so he could lead their franchise to another seven and nine record. Bell, don't go eight. At least I think. Is probably worth one win. It's amazing that every year the bucks win the off season. It's like Oh. Yeah, they made every perfect. A maintenance relag or this way. And it's. where? They retained Shaq Barrett. So they're. They're in good shape, right? All shape. They just can't can't ever do better than eight. Because he always disastrous something always happens mostly for the last five or six years. It's been Jameis Winston, but. Usually I mean you know like like just said they always win the arms, but they can't win football games. Yeah, and I mean personally I would rather win. Football names that make I would too yeah. Winning Football Games is always a good thing. But. Yes, speaking Jameson it seems like he went to another team this off season I'm trying to remember. yeah. It didn't move wiry for now. I don't think that he did I. Think he's still on the divisions he with you guys. Know we signed Teddy Bridgewater. I know they're both black, but that they're not the same person. I'm just kidding. Anyone listening just so you know. But Anyway Jameis Winston. Yeah, he didn't go to. He didn't go back Tampa now. He didn't Elkins. The Falcons still have Matt. Schaub I believe the greatest quarterback in NFC south. His I think through, yes. So, he must have went to What's that team's name? frailer Jaguars. Nope, I, think might have been the saints the. Saints. hilty ever. I thought they had tastes them Hilda. I thought that meant they were like rock as far as quarterbacks went your hall of Famer. Tastes and Hill. Yes. quarterback to yes, of course of Morlin Tim, Tibo. A perfect way to describe. Allen. For John Locke. Oh Excellent? So I guess that means that Jameson, an taste health, future hall of Famer are backing Breweries and he is what one hundred eighty three years old, or I can't remember that birthday. Only twenty two and advocate years. Aim that she'll keep you alive for a long time. You just gotTa. Make sure you recruit at least eight people every few weeks. So, you could suck on their blood like. Dracula, Yes? So if you, if you sell enough, you get a fine fancy diamond ring. Just. Don't go get that verified any. Man I. Cut up a round table this week. For Rivalry Week and On one of them I had done. One of them had the most unflattering photos. Sean Payton and existence look. I actually went through the photo, Solo and chorus. That! Was Great Yeah. It really was I'm super proud of it. And I got. On twitter there is no such thing as a flattering photo of Sean. Payton, which is true yes. He, just licked nine volt battery. has that Sour puckered look on his face like all of the time? Painting legitimately looks like he's always hopped up a mountain dew. Interestingly that sour look on the face is actually a symptom of excessive Vicodin us, just saying I'm not getting anything. I'm saying that is. There's two unrelated things in this podcast. Advocate have like their own version of Vicodin. Probably problem. It's like a fruity. Carbonated drink adver Dick. One of my favorite things about the saints is. They tend to. Blow it in ridiculous ways in the postseason, and so I was just wondering you know what's your favorites? Saints blowing it in the playoffs moment. Oh Man, there's a lot of them. We might need to break every single one of them down. It's like six podcasts worth the. Time for that Gina. Rickel, though because it simultaneously the vikings curse is lifted because they are known to choke, and the saints were heartbroken at the end next time. It's a double barrel there I have to and just hear me out I'm kind of torn between these two, so the first would be in the NFC championship game where they went into overtime with a hall of fame quarterback, and could not score, but still blame it on one blown call even though they had. Win and then. Place. Any and then when they. Began the. Everybody rest up as reps and I'm like. Why are you dress up with that like them? To Make Fun of them doesn't make any sense. Ah Bats then. I think about the beast quake gain when. That was great on the seahawks were seven and nine got to host a home while Arcane. Because they won the division and yeah. They knocked the saints out of the playoffs in the same. Mobile aspirations that year. Not. Having a losing record and winning a wildcard game that you win against the team with a record in you. We know that from experience yeah. We do. No, matter feeling that is my favorite season of all time when we went seven eight and one and won the division. I remember that. Greatest achievement in all of sports, you guys winning. The division is what Got Mike Smith! Up. You're welcome. Thank you. Anyone onto trump to torment the buccaneers for a few years. He's fun it was. So. Just add some context to the reason why I said that happened twice. Gina as far as. them going to overtime, not being able to score a technically did because obviously we all know about the rams game, and that great great defensive play by the ran to cause the completion. This past season they actually also went to overtime against the Vikings. And lost. They didn't even get a chance to touch the ball. Because Kirk cousins roasted their second year with Adam, feeling. That's right. And then they had what was what I would call an absolutely great offensive play by Kyle Rudolph to score a touchdown. Game. That's right. Yeah, I remember not going. Yeah, the vikings literally ruined their their whole lives. In into twice in what like five years like? It's Great I. Just Love It. But Yeah I think. My favorite is definitely this past year. Just because they made such a big deal about pass interference, and then it happened king. Ross! A Dwi. So why don't you give us your favorite saints blowing it moment? You know what it doesn't even have to be the play offs because they've blown it so many times we can. We can celebrate them all still. I'M GONNA go back to this past season, and the Falcons were on a disastrous skid that everyone was convinced was going to cost the entire coaching staff. Their jobs the saints were on a roll. Drew brees was coming back. The Falcons go into New Orleans a massive underdog. and. pull off the upset and. You know new, Orleans had every. Analyst in football, predicting them winning by three or four touchdowns, because I think had the felt it. Falcons have won one game at that point. And, they looked real bad. Yeah, OH, yeah! They were quite awful. Believe me and. It may not have been the playoffs, but watching the falcons go in and just punch them in the jaw. and. Remind them that in rivalry games records don't matter nothing matters. was. From my standpoint, it was great, but just the fact that you know. The two teams were on two different trajectories. People were already saying. This is the saints year. This is the this is their super bowl run, and this is where drew brees goes out on top, and the Falcons came in a arrival in just punched him in the mouth. It was glorious I would have enjoyed it now if it were the panthers, the bucks just because the the saints were on this. This wave of just patting themselves on the back, and they Scott it in their home crowd, and it was, it was glorious to watch. Fun Fact. The panthers almost did the same thing. It came really close with kile Alan at quarterback in New Orleans, and the almost did it I think they were may like a touchdown, short or something like that. Yeah, I watched that. That was hilarious because the whole time I was like on twitter as the handle as I usually am being like. Oh, we're going to get screwed and then like. They, they stayed in. Somehow it was pretty fucking awesome Let's see. Do we get Brad? Do we get your favorite I? Think we did. Yeah Mine's the Minneapolis mayor whole. That, we get your favorite. You gave us too so I think we're covered on that front them. So. Well I mean I i. really don't have a favorite I enjoy thoroughly anytime. The Saints Look like. I just I I've never really felt this way about another franchise I enjoy every moment of pain every ounce of tears. Shitty thing that happens to them brings me great joy and pleasure. I agree on Amen, I absolutely. Despise the new. Orleans saints absolutely despise them I I, was rooting against them when they came back from Hurricane Katrina. That's how bad how much I don't like them. They're just such self insured honest like they. War Grocery bags over their head for thirty years, and they had one winning season, and then they thank their the the. Like the fucking seventy steelers or the Patriots of our current present day, because they had one successful year with Asterix next with an asterisk beside it and you know just fuck them like. Five. Routes Orem another thing I really enjoy about saints fans is that they believe they have like. The A quarterback who's better than Tom Brady. When really he's just kirk cousins protected system. Oh He threw what like five hundred slants to Michael Thomas past year. Like come on man. Yup and Thomas still only got like thirteen hundred yards off of that, so yeah. Michael Thomas over here acting like he's better than the Andre. Hopkins and he's the top receiver in the league Mr Run slander running out. Flip a coin. That's me. Drew. brees is Kirk cousins with a better pyramid scheme behind him. Austrailia. A, love it. It's it's it comes down to the fans because I've been watching the saints all the way back to the NFC west days when the Falcons in the saints were in the NFC west with the forty niners in the rams. And back then they didn't have fans. They had few fans as you mentioned. The fans used to wear freaking paper bags on their heads, because that franchise was just sad, sad and pathetic. And now all of a sudden. They've got this massive fan base that I guarantee you. The minute drew. brees heads out of town in this franchise hits Bad Times. Two thirds of that fan base is GONNA disappear. Of Court. Yeah, absolutely. And Act like they never were fans yet. Has Been, kicked off the call and cannot get back on who? Well. Damn career like sometimes. Yeah, it's that corona virus. Infecting all the calls and stuff like that. I've just there is one moment that isn't talked about enough in saints history. Two thousand thirteen. The Panthers Played The saints. In Carolina, for essentially what was the division and what was the first round by in granted? Carolina fucked up at first round by by losing to the San. Francisco Forty niners so. In the end, it didn't really matter that much, but just. Carolina went out there, Luke keithly had like twenty six tackles or some shit like that against. The Saints and The best part about it was the whole game was a whole defensive struggle, minus one of those games was like it was defined by big plays. There was like two or three big plays that caused Carolina win one of them was. Deangelis Williams scoring on a really long rushing touchdown to end out the half. And the other one. Was Cam Newton. On a fourth quarter like last minute drive to take the lead, I think there was like six seconds left after the drive was over, but he throws. A beautiful touchdown to dominate kicks a ball fucking people who had like. Not. The only like five receptions he had. He had not passive significance at all that season and Cam Newton steps up than pocket. Shrug off, Cam Jordan or one of the safeties rushing off. The edge throws a touchdown of Boom Carolina wins. They win the division and the saints are. Stuck in the wildcard when they were supposed to be the team to beat in the division, and that was one of my favorite moments, because God damnit Dominic Hickson I wanted his Jersey after that. That was the first of our three consecutive division championships two. Yup kick-started by Dominic Hickson. There's a random fact for you, yeah! And then the saints started sniping random linebackers like AJ Klein and What's his face? The linebacker who had fake girlfriend? You When they tried the same. They Find Aj Klein because they thought they signed Luke keithly. Carolina fans to those who can use all the time. Aj? We get that Luke. Luke Chat. They kind of looked like under like a football helmet and fifty six, they were. We're both white and had numbers in the fifties and made great plays and mean it was easy to to mix them up. Yeah. You know but. It's OK. The saints will. Saints are now in position to potentially try to win the NFC south again. But I fully expect them to win the to win the division make the playoffs and suffer. Another horrifying defeats at the Vikings. That's. Oh I want and NFL season purely to watch that happen yes. Like I'm fine with the panthers going like two and fourteen, if it means the saints choke in the playoffs again. The sacrifices were willing to make. I fucking hate them. That much like I would be fine. With watching my team. Have a repeat of their two thousand ten season. If it means, the saints choke in the playoffs again, yeah! I definitely said this to you probably twice over the last two years when I was on. You guys podcast, but I would gladly the Lasley surrender a panthers successful season just to watch a crushing horrifying feet in the playoffs, the saints. Absolutely, one hundred percent is just the greatest thing. because. Even if Carolina. Finds a way to make the playoffs. They're not fucking winning. See Rule. Let's be honest ourselves, so I will get greater joy out of watching the saints, fans and they're crying. Jordan means on twitter. Hands all over them for again losing the division. Despite having one of the greatest quarterbacks in NFL history, and only winning one super bowl with him. I will gladly take thatt's. But let's not let's not jump on the saints too much. Because now there's another variable in the NFC south. Bucks have Tom Brady. I know we touched on that a little bit they have. Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski so. Now, we get to see. Tom Brady versus drew brees twice a year for at least this year unless the NFL NFC. Cancel obviously. We could see those two quarterbacks go at it. which will be more satisfying? The saints once again failing in the playoffs against the Vikings or The Patriots are not the Patriots. Wow the buccaneers. Playing the buccaneers, being in the in the playoffs and losing team, they shouldn't lose to like a team like let's say. I don't know. The Rams. Let's say something like that. Oh man to have to pick. I mean I don't really have any ill. Will towards the bucks like I honestly have felt sorry for them for. The majority of my watching football because always truly. Be Awful even if they shouldn't be. There are only two teams in the NFC south. That has the Super Bowl Ring. And that was a very good team that that won the Super Bowl Yeah. I mean they had a monster defense back in the in the late nineties early two thousands, Gina's wanted me to pass onto the saints of trash by the way just WanNa like guys. That's her brand. That's the brand The one thing about the buccaneers die will say is. Like I get I. Understand that like the the majority of the. Non like. Team specific media is saying that the buccaneers are GonNa make the playoffs and likely make a super bowl run. So I will find it really really satisfying if they somehow don't make the playoffs. Just because it's the bucks like it's not even like Tom Brady. Thing it's just it's the bucks. The buccaneers they're going to finish INC made. Yeah, assuming we play sixteen games right. Mike the Bucket always find a way to not be as good as they should be. They do and I mean usually. It's seven and nine like we talked about earlier, but Gina brought this up to Tom. Brady's worth at least one win. On. He now forty three. Yeah, though. I mean he's got a lot of weapons. He does and Matt that wires Syrians is agree with a quarterback who can actually find open receivers on his own team. Knowing talks like they're gonNA. Have Mike. Evans and Chris Godwin get hurt like the same time for like six weeks. Fan probably like that'll be why they go eight. 'cause Brady won't have anybody to throw to well. Don't bring in like six different five foot, seven white receivers to. Go Hey. Brian how how at how much would you? Would you feel if Britain verse got signed by the Bucks and then won a super bowl. Oh, man, I mean catching passes from the goat. I can't complain I mean it's one goat to another now. Renton breath that would be so funny if the buck signed Brenton Bersin and Tom Brady turned him into his own little Julian Eshelman. It will be so goddamn funny Oh my God. It's going to happen now. We're going have a twenty twenty season just to watch this. Come into reality. I mean bird I think. Oh you know. What demeer birds with the Patriots. Man's hard to keep track of these things. Time isn't abstract right now. Yeah Yeah Cam Newton. It's interesting that the NFC style had a complete circle of quarterback signings like Teddy. Bridgewater went from New Orleans. To Carolina Cam left. And replace Tom Brady in new, England and then Tom. Brady went to Tampa, and then James went to New Orleans. Atlanta is the only team that's left out because they're stuck with Matt Shaab. Now knock. Match Shabas the great quarterback in history. I've been watching Elkins twitter for some time now. Brad, he's. I understand that Matt Shaw is the God's gift to the quarterback universe the. LMS. You could make an argument that he is in their top five. Hundred percent that's that's it is a very short list. Of, the same as ours always Krizner right. Chris Redman is around the top five which should tell you the Ballard history. Asked my that's my former Louvre quarterback baby. It's not well publicized that I was a Louisville football fan growing up in high school, so I'll tell you his time in Atlanta fans really appreciate him because he put up with a lot of crap, he played decently and got us through some really really bad times that included Joey Harrington as a starting. So. Who Do you think is your best quarterback ever? Is it Michael? Vickers at Matt Ryan. Ryan by a long shot. Just, things appear just from a pure quarterback standpoint. If you're talking about personality what he meant to the city, Vick was clearly a transformative player, but we drafted Thomas Davis specifically to stop Michael Vick. Oh Yeah I mean, but people remember Vicks highlights, and they forget a lot of the stuff came with that, you know. He was notorious for fumbles. Would have a game where he would run for two hundred yards and then next game, he would throw for four interceptions. In he never. He never consistently delivered and I think people forget that in the you know. He was the most electrifying athlete since honestly I. WAS GONNA say since Dion Sanders but I think he probably even surpassed him in just. His athleticism Yeah I think Matt Ryan is that classic victim of a quarterback who doesn't have a super bowl on the resume. Like, he almost had one. Yeah, ooh, yeah! It doesn't hurt anymore, Brad, we were. We were right there the year before. We can't say that. I mean honestly pay would rather lose the way we did. Then lose the weight, the Falcons, I will say I feel like the will granted. I think a lot of it had to do the fact that the alcohol and The panthers swapped or cash readers swapped. Twitter handles for that one day on A. Few years. Kind of kind of brought the two fan bases together to realize that we both Kinda suck, and we both have a lot of horrible horrible memories being fans of this team, so I think that had something to do with it but I. Think the biggest thing. Is We come together because you know a lot of people say that the Falcons and panthers are each other's biggest rival, and that is absolutely not true. We're! Closer like distance, wise but. Both of our biggest rivals are the saints Oh yeah, and is down, you know and I know the Saints Saints Fans hate the Falcons more than the panthers because they've been around longer than the panthers have, but you know we join together as brothers in arms against the saints. And you know I mean I only against the Falcons twice a year. I can't say that about New Orleans. It's like the bucks i. only root against them twice a year. You know I laugh at their misfortunes, just like I laugh at Atlanta's misfortune. You know just like you. Laugh at our misfortune, but I don't actively root against you unless you're playing us. I can't say that for the saints. There is no team I will root. Against if they're playing New Orleans. Speaking of laughing at misfortune, I, actually do have a question since it is rivalry week, and we might as well address the falcons a little bit so. As a falcons, person, D- W. Yeah, what did you think of the panthers off season as far as like look equally retiring? Greg Olsen. Being cut leaving Eric, Reed being cut. Cam Newton being cut. what else was horrible? That happened Tops Davis leaving last year and being. So to give give us your rundown on that like as far as the arrival fan base I guess. Lens. Let's see what you have to say about that. I mean I saw it as. them the team sort of under new ownership saying okay. We're GONNA BERGEN TO START REBUILDING OKAY I. Won't ask you the objective. I wanted to hear your your fam- your fan reaction to that. All in all seriousness I was like Oh. My God, they're they're gonNA THEY'RE GONNA burn everything down. And if you can laugh at our pain at all, no. I, in some ways I was sad, because when I saw keithly retire that was I'll sad 'cause I in many ways I loved watching him play in this division I considered him the best middle linebacker in the league and. Even when we would play him, you know two times a year. You could hear it whether it was in Atlanta or Carolina you could hear the people anytime. You made a tackle loom. He was such a great player and I hated seeing his career ended early because concussions. I had as a rival. He won the players on your team that I had. Endless respect for because he just was balls out on every single play, you gotta respect. The Guy plays like that. Yes ord sad to see him retire and I was stunned. I was not. Convinced that Cam was gonNA. They were GONNA move on from Cam and when they did I was. I still don't know how to feel about it because you know seen go to. The Patriots is a little weird for us. But I I actually enjoyed that part of our gains because Cam had that personality that he he drew the hatred of Falcons, fans in made the Games more interesting and more fun. You know when we're being on Kyle Allen. It just didn't have that same feel as when you're getting a sack on CAM, Newton when you're allowed. QUARTERBACKS I If. There wasn't as much passion in the Games. When when you're second Kyle Allen's like yeah, whatever he's a, he's a backup quarterback. Who Cares when you're taking down Cam, Newton? OR YOUR SACKING HAMMER! You're hitting him hard. There's like that extra. Because, he's the best franchise quarterback. He's the guy that you know. He celebrates his first downs. He's got that big personality, so it makes your defense one hit heart makes them want to play harder and it just it to me. It made the Games a lot more fun. Actually -joyed. Watching Panthers Falcons Games when Cam was in there because I always felt like. There is an elevation to the level of play whether it was you know Luke. Kuechley seemingly I mean. He was always on top of his game, but cam always seemed to bring a little something extra to to Falcons Games as well. You know having grown up in the area so I actually was sad to see those two guys go because it felt like it was the end of an era for the Games between the dolphins and panthers. Yeah can't believing still kinda sucks I'm not gonNA. Be I'M GONNA. Be Real with you there. I will say I i. feel like Lewke the only player in the NFC south right now. We're like nobody really ever hated him. Like, even Saints Fan. I. Don't remember what well actually. There was one there was one saints Fan Armored running into where he was like. You could pass interference all the fucking time. People. Shut up dude. Yeah Cam Cohen was was cam. GOING IS GONNA be weird. I bought my patriots. Cam Jersey today, so that'll be. Fun Thing to rock, but It's GONNA be different for sure as far as the NFC south goes. Because now it's going to be. It's all Christian McCaffrey. It's going to be Christian. McCaffrey show for Carolina where. The Falcons in the saints really haven't changed that much. Obviously, the buccaneers are going to be all about Tom Brady so whenever they never really disappoint everybody in. Either make the playoffs and lose in first round or not make the playoffs at all like just like. But. The Panthers is going to be very interesting because they're on a different. Wavelength right now like they're moving forward and it's. It's GonNa. Be a weird future for the NFL. I know this is a topic that I will like end sort of on this topic, but. The NFL is a kind of a weird position right now. With the whole Kobe thing, the season might not happen, but my biggest concern as far as it goes. The salary cap has been rising for so many years. But this year could ause these recap to Grat. and. I'd like to hear your thoughts on. I guess the rest of the NFC south. As far as that goes if the salary cap cap drops. Where we going to be at because. I think the speed drew brees crap time money. The buccaneers just paid. Tom Brady a crap ton of money. Obviously, Matt Ryan I. Believe got an extension not too long ago. Is that right? YEAH COUPLE COUPLE OF SEASONS AGO So what salary cap dropping all of a sudden now in a position where these teams that are paying their quarterbacks could be in a position where suddenly. What they projected to be. What was going to happen with the NFL as far as salary cap, and where how many people they could sign, what kind of players they could sign, that could be drawn. So, where would you see the Falcons in a scenario where the salary cap drops a few million dollars? Could be in trouble. For good reason because the Falcons had to pay several guys that. I would argue were worth money. They paid Greg Jarrett. One of the Best Interior Defensive Linemen in the League they paid Dion Jones who I felt was the second best middle linebacker in the NFC south behind the leuke three until they retired. And you know when you pay guys that you drafted. You also means you're not be able to pay a free agents. You'RE NOT GONNA be able to pay a potentially other guys who drafted like they had to let Austin who walk because of that. Which I'm still salty about. And you know the Falcons still have really tight cap, because in this league you're either paying a quarterback, or you're looking to pay quarterback. And you know they paid. There's a I think they made the right choice. Given the you know. The other contracts have come after it, but it's a great point I mean. We could literally see the salary cap. Take a step backwards. And suddenly throw teams like the Falcons the saints into a tizzy. Trying to get underneath that cap now personally I think the league will will recognize that in if things turn around if we see like progress on the vaccine. If we see things, come around. That says hey. Things are GonNa be back to normal twenty twenty one. I think they work to put like a temporary Sort of a provision in place that keeps the salary cap inflated above what it's supposed to be a severe. Yeah, they're the league. Yeah, because this is not just going to impact two or three, it's GonNa impact probably. Ten or fifteen teams across league. Yeah, we're in a situation where owners. It's not like Jerry Jones took all of his money and bought like an all star team of players. You know this is an unprecedented situation. So as much jewelry is. It would bring me for the states to have to find a way to get under A. A lesser salary cap because they gave drew brees a stupid amount of money. I don't think. The NFL will let that happen You know. They could do several things like you just said they could just artificially inflate the salary cap, or they could give teams an exemption and say you know there is. There are no salary cap violations. This year like you right, you can't go in like. The the saints and Falcons couldn't go in, and then like give Matt Ryan Patrick Mahomes contract, but they also they won't be penalized for being over. A lower cap because you know, nobody predicted. A, pandemic, when. I signed those quarterbacks of those deals so. I I. DO agree the NFL's going to have to do something. The only retort I have to that is. Did you guys hear about the thirty five percent escrow thing that they're talking about with player salaries recently. Yeah, and if any single player says yes to that they should be kicked out of the League right I wasn't saying that the wasn't talking about on the players behalf, but that an indicator that's kind of an indicator to me that the salary cap is not going to rise at the very least. Because they are doing that based on the revenue of the NFL, which regardless of whether the actual full NFL season happens. You're still miss now, ticket sales. You're probably miss. KNOBS Jersey sales to be of the fact that people can't go NFL. Games which I bought a Cam Newton Jersey, so I'm still here buying jerseys high, but. It's just one of those things where it's like. He's economy of the NFL the he's not gone. He will always be. I'm a lifelong Patriots Fan It's one of those things where it's like we're I feel like we're watching a regression in the NFL's economy right now and I just don't see how the salary cap can go up. I feel like we're in a position where NFL teams are going to have to kind of ring an in a little bit and. I think Carolina's in a decent position to do that, but I don't know about teams like obviously the chiefs. And other teams have just paid their quarterbacks big money like I almost feel like the quarterback market is gonNA. Go backwards over the next few years just because of that. I think if it goes backwards, go backwards because there's not a lot of guys who deserve that level of pay you know it's. In. Guys like Breyer exit the League eventually Brady breeze are probably in their last year last two years. And I think. You're seeing more quarterbacks get drafted in fewer and fewer of them. Panning out, so I think there will be a regression somewhat but I think it'll be more from the fact that there just aren't. It's getting really hard to find top quality quarterbacks that you WANNA pay forty million dollars a year to. So I actually kind of disagree with you on that front, but let me explain it i. I think there's there's actually too many starting caliber. In the League right now. I don't think so. While you got Marcus Mariota. He's a backup for the raiders. You got is a starting caliber. Reason though he got beat up Ryan Tannehill. He got beat out by Ryan Hannah Hill because he was injury prone. He was good in his first few years, but he's not good now. That's the point. Like he's not a starter. How do you forget you forget to be a good quarterback in the NFL? You. Don't forget you just get hurt enough and you age. You just don't have it anymore. Three, saying Cam Newton doesn't have it anymore. I'm saying there's a possibility that he doesn't. Despite the fact that panthers fans refuse to believe that that's a possibility what about Andy Dalton. I. Don't think gained. Dalton's ever really been that good. A man. I'm I'm now. Let me rephrase about in doll. And the Bengals to several playoff berths, Andy, Dalton, or von. If you like if you gave you gave Andy Dalton to. Sean Payton. And let him run. Just replaced drew brees with Andy Dalton Andy. Dalton would be fine. If you put him on Andy Reed's team. If you put him on Kyle Shanahan's team, he would be fine, but you're not going to win a super bowl because Andy. Dalton is your quarterback, but here's the thing. Here's the point. I'm making I wasn't saying. There are thirty two super bowl winning quarterbacks in the NFL right now, but there are more than thirty two starter level quarterbacks in the NFL right now, and that's I feel like right now in the NFL's history, we've never had this many competent quarterback. In the NFL can do you guys disagree with that? I. Don't know if it's thirty two. I don't know if it's thirty two I mean I think there are some teams that just do not have a starting caliber quarterback on Washington. But even if it's not thirty two like, let's say it's least twenty five I say at least twenty five in my opinion, that's more than ever in NFL history. Brian but I think if you divide it into tears, the the. The caliber of guys. That will actually give you. Win 's over average is a handful. The guys, who will most yet? The guy like there are a Lotta guys in this league at back. Who will give you the exact number of wins that your roster build will get you so if you give them a good offensive line, good weapons a good defense, they can get you to the playoffs, but if you shortchange them in any of those categories, though fall apart. And REDO Anti Andy. Dalton Tier Right exactly yeah! And I don't disagree with I. Don't disagree with that notion, but I think there's a lot of those type of quarterbacks in the League right now. I think a good example is Ryan. Tannehill and I think that a player I think there's at least ten quarterbacks in the league right now who could have? Been in that situation capitalizing and gotten paid like he did. Ryan Tannehill will fold like a cheap suit if Derrick Henry leaves Tennessee. and. That wasn't the point I was making i. I know that, but I'm just saying. FOR EVERY! For every positive about somebody like Ryan Tannehill. It's like Dwi said. He has to be in the right situation the and He I mean he was terrible in Miami, and that's not really his fault because Miami. They're not that good but like. If, you're building a team from scratch. And you have to. Pick, you want pick a quarterback that can win without everything going right. There's like five people you would choose. I wasn't disagreeing with. My point was that I think the quarterback market might regress a little bit because you have enough players like Ryan Tannehill in the market right now and I think it's only going to go up over time. because. We're getting more competent quarterback out of college right now than we did in the past. That you. Guys, will they'll? They'll get paid. More than they're worth, but less than the top tier. Yeah, like they're going to get paid more than they're worth, but there's plenty of them right now, so it's like. I don't expect. Let's say I don't know Sam Darnold to get paid. Forty million dollars season because. In in what three years Sam, darnold will be looking at a market where there's going to be like five or six different quarterbacks who probably match his level of production. So. That's kind of where I met with the where I think that maybe. quarterbacks are going to go back a little bit because there's enough guys where you can comfortably go to your front office to say I can win with the sky. I can get us nine wins. Where in the past we have that like there was typically like maybe ten quarterbacks in the NFL where you were like. This is the started as a franchise quarterback. Right think that now. You have the. Key to win with. You know like like for example for the panthers. They let Cam Newton go. Obviously, he was a franchise quarterback. They brought Teddy Bridgewater in. Do I think he's GonNa? Be Like twelve and four quarterback or even nine seven quarterback. Now I don't know but. There is the potential for him to win games for him to make the playoffs. I don't think he's a lock for any number of wins, but. I tell you what's going to happen. Based on my experience from watching the Carolina Panthers Operate, but it wasn't. My point was not specifically. On the Panthers Teddy. Bridgewater will be good enough to get us. Enough winds to not have a top five draft pick, but it will not be enough wins to make the playoffs. The panthers will be a mediocre team. They will probably win five six games seven. Maybe he might go on tear at the end of the year. They'll pick sixteenth or seventeenth, so they'll miss out on all the top talent, and they won't have a playoff game to show for it. Other Miller. Your Wife Saying Panthers Fan. Yes, abroad, what you're essentially saying is that the the NFL is filled with Toyota? Corolla caliber quarterbacks and we're just paying more than we should for market value sedans, yes. That is my point. Is But. They cost the same as Lamborghinis like. My point here is that like yeah, we don't have thirty two franchise quarterbacks in the League. We have more people who could be franchised quarterbacks in the league than ever before. And they were be excellent in the XFL. Yeah, exactly. We got PJ. Walker on our team. We might have to franchise. quarterback Ardine Zoo yeah earthy. folded. It was actually fun to watch this time it was. This, fight, the horrible horrible defense. I agree well. That's what made it fun, yeah! I. Mean like watching teams just score. The shitloads appoints when it's not your team getting scored on, it's kind of fun. For Yeah I always love watching team gets should on when it's not the panthers. On that? Are there any lasting remarks? We WanNA. Make about the NFC south whether it's an as a whole as a specific team. Thought. I agree with that. Brad a man. For All the hype given to Tom Brady in the bucks. I think they are the most disadvantaged of the teams because they're replacing their quarterback. They're not trying to rebuild. They're trying to replace and get to the playoffs, and like the panthers who are sort of rebuilding and saying you know what happens, what happens? They're trying to rebuild with a forty nine year old seventy eight year old quarterback in a season where he cannot. Get with his players in the off season and fat from a real workouts, but yeah exactly so. Like they are going to be behind the eight ball. Dramatically and that I think people are underestimating that, so you know go ahead an predict the bucks you're GonNa, go fourteen into. I I'm BRAD THEM WITH YOU A. Aid is feels like the right record for them. I mean they might win nine games I just I don't see them being thirteen and three fourteen, and to like you know just as well as I do that. All the media outlets are going to say because Tom. Brady is there now. It's just like Cam, Newton is suddenly. A good guy and he did a lot for the community, and all that other shit that we've known about for eight years now has just now being talked about. By the mass media because he's in New England instead of Carolina, tell a bunch of bullshit. The one thing to I will say is that. Even though it's Tom Brady, he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time one of the smartest quarterbacks of all time. This is a new system and. It's not like Jameis. Winston was a dumb ass. He had been in the League for many many years. There's trae sufficient evidence to say that he is a dumb ass. I don't thank think you lead the League in passing. And you're a dumb ass. That's just. Steal crab legs from Publix. Even say. Odeh from a Wendy's with the Little Ketchup Cups. Well, I guess I guess. My point was from a football IQ. persective. I don't think James. Winston Stupid, okay! Yeah, okay. I'll give you that Where Tom Brady has been in the same system, his entire NFL career that he now he's GonNa. Go Learn Bruce Arians system. That is very very complex. I don't think Bruce. Arians is smart enough to say. Hey, it's Tom fucking Brady. Why don't we just do what you WANNA do? Well! Why didn't he do that with James Winston? James. Winston wants to three interceptions Jameis Winston through. His first and last passed last year was a pick six. Isn't that glorious. That is the best statistic of all time. No but I. don't think anyone will ever do that again Yup. Anyway go Dimaggio's hitting streak. I don't think anyone will ever do that. Anyway, the point I was making was simply that. Tom Brady's gotTA learn new system. For the Falcons obviously, they got Matt Ryan knows the system. And he knows most the players around him. The saints. Don't need to learn new system. The panthers it's it's a new system, but teddy bridgewater is familiar with it. He's also familiar with Robbie Anderson from his time with the jets So. It's one of those things where it's like. How does the preparation intact? Going forward with the twenty twenty NFL season like. It's difficult to project that because it. It's not your typical NFL offseason where you get the whole. Training camp period to really learn the system and move on and. It things going so that could be a major disadvantage. The buccaneers, so that's that's kind of where I'm at I'm like I'm very curious as to help. Fast can learn system and learn everything. Obviously if there's any quarterback in the league, bet money on doing that in this time. I would say Brady is the guy, but we'll see. So. It's Marion. She south a very interesting division. Regardless yeah I would be. Really I wouldn't be surprised. If every team finished like seven and nine, and they're all fighting playoff berths. Happen how we win. It's happened before. So for the ray last piece before we get off here, I'll just Give us a little roundtable. START WITH W. W? WHO's one of the NFC South this year? That's a great question. WanNa go homer and say the Falcons I have no faith in Dirk Koetter. So I think that you know Falcons will improve, but not enough in. We're GONNA look at a turnover in Falcons next year. Unfortunately I think the team that has most continuity. The Saints Will Probably Win The division. But I predict a disastrous playoff loss that will further crush their fans in send drew brees out in perfect style with a disastrous run of playoff losses that will overshadow his one super bowl win that he off of a defense that. Had the legal bounties injure other players. Sounds Fair to me I. Enjoy that Brad What about you? Well I personally don't think anyone will win the NFC south because I don't think we're going to have a season, ooh! But if we do it, the saints are GonNa Win I mean. Like he, he just said you know they're the most consistent there. They have the least going against them right now. They don't have a new coach. They don't have a new system. They don't have a new quarterback they don't have. Dirk Cutter. Just. You know I mean I. Just I see the saints winning. If we play a full sixteen game schedule, they'll probably win at least twelve games, and that'll be good enough to win the division, but I honestly. No joke I don't think we're GONNA have. We're not GONNA have a sixteen game season, and if we have one at all, it probably won't be more than ten to twelve games. I agree with that and my prediction is the Falcons for that reason. Because I think the Falcons had the best continuity procedure. In place for their personnel, as far as offense and defense goes and I know that. They turned it on quite a bit at the end of the year last year. I. I have a hard time. Believing that there had coached will find a way to fuck it all up again. So I think that if we're in a situation where we're playing twelve games, ten games are reduced schedule I think the Falcons of the most setup for. Being able to start end go from last season. So that's where I'm at but I could also see the panthers somehow firing off like ten wins for no fucking apparent reason and making the playoffs. Because that's just the way this year is going to go. But if if you if you put a gun to my head and said put money on it, I would say the Falcons because I believe that their offense is better than the saints, and I think their defense was much much much underrated against last year I. Think they have a much better personnel. Wise defense than people give them credit for so that's where I'm at the Falcons of the better team in the NFC. South. Yet the only thing I to add since you guys both addressed. It is I. Think if the NFL's going to have any kind of success having season. It's not gonna be because we as a society have done anything to deserve written. If anything we've done the opposite. I won't go into the details on that, but. I do know that there are a lot of scientists working behind the scenes, literally twenty four seven non stop trying to find treatments vaccine for this horrible, a viruses going around. I am hopeful that company like regeneration, which is working right now on A. an antibody antiviral treatment. For covid. That if they can get something to market and you know the projections are. If everything works out well, they could get something by the end of the summer. that could open up the possibility of the NFL season happening. It may be a reduced NFL season. Brad like what you're saying in sixteen games may be more like ten or fourteen games but I am still hopeful that we could see a season, but it's GonNa be because scientists bailing us out. And thank you to all the scientists out there who are working nonstop to try to save this sidey from dooming itself. Yes Yeah. I agree it's We don't bring up much as far as the political climate or the world climate, but. I agreed that. We should be thankful for all the people out there trying to find a cure for everything. Dis- keep at keep wearing a mask keith. Prior to stay safe. This is a very weird time in our history. Guys So. Where a mask wash your hands. Don't touch your face. We're just. Trying to get through this much somebody else, we hope for football, but. You know. Going to be tough to be very tough few months ahead, so we'll see where things go, and hopefully hopefully we get to see the Teddy Bridgewater in Panthers Jersey Thrones touchdowns, Christian McCaffrey, but WHO, the fuck knows at this point. Really who the fuck knows. Dwi you give us a plug for yourself anything you got going on as far as the foul hauling slash twitter. Anything you want to promote. Yeah you find this at the alcoholic calm under the nation umbrella. We've got a twitter for PODCAST pod You can find me at Falcon W in. We'll be kicking off the alcohol podcast season here in coming weeks as hopefully. Training camp get started towards the end of this month and then to August. We'll see but Malcolm were were. We're going to stay positive. Stay hopeful that everything's GonNa Start in go well, but. When it does if it does, faculty will be there covering. That team in the NFC south that you guys let hate on. I'm sure I'll be there. Trolling on the CSR handle as much as I can so. because. That's my job because that's what Brad lets me do. Ride. Do you have anything you want to add before we sign off here? No not really just wash your hands. Don't touch your face. Keep your distance from people. Wear a mask. Stop turning everything into a fucking political argument and fight. Just wear a mask. Make It. People WanNa talk about the economy, and we can't let the economy clips well. If you put on a Goddamn, ask wouldn't collapse 'cause nobody would have to shut down because the virus would spread as much stop being a care and and wear a mask. Thank you. I'll I'll add on that. Even if you don't believe that you need to be wearing a mask because you're safe. Is just not that difficult to wear a mask just for the sake of other people's I guess. Protecting your. Person Or people more than you're. Not, even just that, but just their own peace of mind like. Like if I'm walking around like I am very big on wearing a mask and when I'm walking around somewhere where someone's not wearing a mask, I immediately want to get sixty away from him and. Whether he will say I won't say anything to you. Because people are crazy and I might get shot or stabbed, but I am judging you. I. Just say I am judging you so hard and I will probably make fun of you on twitter. Classic re tweets from Brad. I will say that even if you don't believe that you need to wear a mask, just just have some consideration forever for other people out there. People who are able to compromise the people who? Are Scared people who have to be where you are. When you have to go out in public, it's not. Just about you and having to wear masks, it's about everybody else like even if you have done all your research and solemnly believe that you don't need to wear a mask because you are not going to be hurt, still just do it. Just just have some compassion for your fellow person. You only got to wear for a few minutes I'm not asking you to sit here and wear a mask. Mask when you're working by yourself or your out mowing your lawn, but when you're with people, just wear masks, even if you, even if you think it's bullshit, just wear the masks. Because then you won't have to deal with people who are like Oh. That guy's not wearing a mask. You especially those who might be out who need to buy groceries? You need to do whatever to keep himself alive. Are Immune compromised. Just just do it for them. Just being compassionate human being that's all I'm asking. From all black or Exactly, it doesn't. It's not going to kill you from all of us here at the keep sounding podcast, and the Falcons Colic podcast. I'm sure you will find. Plenty of banter between us over the course of the next season, but please please please just even if you don't want to wear masks for your own self, just be a compassionate human being. Where mask stay tuned! We'll have plenty more content for you. As a season hopefully progresses, and hopefully actually happens, but if it doesn't, we'll be here to provide you the content to let you know what's going on. And where we're GONNA go from here. This is Bryan joined by Brad and thank you so much to d-w. You guys have a great week and we will talk to you very soon. And Fuck The saints. The Saints Hubris.

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"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. Will Fleming who when we do the Binghamton northwestern game by game. I mean, the trouncing of being by northwestern wheel is going to do play by play and will your local just get on a microphone for a second. So your family. Here's you. Yes. They're from Alexandria, Virginia. And so you growing up probably read us a little bit in the post before we did this television style. More of a Washington Times reader. Tom not. This is General George Washington. And you're listening to the Tony Kornheiser. I liked him immediately. When he said that. And that was when I was driving to work. Yes. I thought Dan daily know everybody who wrote for the Washington Times, you know, at one point most Seagal worker Washington time when they when they first began, but I liked this kid will Fleming. And I hope he does a really good job. And by a really good job of calling the game. I hope he just calls the game and gets out of the way. 'cause Mike Mike really has a lot to say. And I don't I don't we are into northwestern is to know, David Aldridge to my right. His alma mater was beaten, not trounce. We saw him up for you. It was tied with eight minutes ago. That's a very good job. American ten. Corey Clark is here. Michael Kornheiser's here. The socialite is just walked in with famous person Maury Povich sit down. We have trivia tonight at chatter. We have our show is today and tomorrow, we are not here. We're back here on Monday. We are not here Thursday and Friday on Friday. We're doing a podcast from Chicago, Illinois, and we hope to have Michael wilbon and Tommy Waddell on 'cause I've heard I've heard Tommy Waddell on radio and see them on TV a bunch. I think he's really good. I don't know. I'm not sure I've ever met him by think he's really good. So we will start for placements press. Are you know, not at all? No, not at all. We will start today with with the Monday night game. I had I got home in time to watch a lot of the Monday night game. I had dinner with Alan Maury, which was very very nice nicer still that Allan picked up the check which I thought was a grand gesture on Allen's part so Monday night football, which looked like the loser loser. Because neither team was any good. You know, one win for the giants. One win for the forty Niners in order to make the game. Interesting. You pretty much have to sell people on what happened thirty years ago. But as it turned out it was a good game. It was it was a back and forth game. Odell Beckham junior had two touchdowns. I you know, I'm sort of curious about this. Now, I think many of the orchestrated touchdown celebrations. Now are terrible because they look very orchestrated. I don't really understand. I know this is gonna make me sound like a real old codger. But I don't really understand why you know, you just don't say. All right. I scored a touchdown. Del Beckham junior is he's so perfect for this. Because he doesn't want to sell it, by the way for guy will always talks about helping his teammates, please give me a break that computer is about Dell Beckham junior first last and always and he's great player. He wants to celebrate by himself doing whatever he wants to do for as long as he wants to do it, which is fine. But I think that sort of. With the Academy Awards when they when the music comes on they blow you off the talking let the next plate start. Let Beckham junior to oh, maybe I should stop at this point. Because he does that align. Manning was fine. He li- manning had what we begun to call around here. Alex Smith game except more touchdown such a hundred eighty eight yards nineteen thirty one hundred eighty eight yards. The winning touchdown pass one of his the third of his three touchdown passes. And the giants won twenty seven Twenty-three. What this does is it guarantees that he li- manning will start the next game. You know? Yeah. You know, his record his record over the last twenty four games something like foreign twenties. Terry as great as Eli manning has been but he's hanging on these. Well, this is what we would call in another sport, the Carmelo Anthony situation, which is a hall of fame player on his last legs. Wondering why are you can do McFarland say he didn't think it was all Famer this was late? You're probably that he lies not you said, he he didn't think. Two two guys is point was the two if you put to this. If you for a moment take the two Super Bowl years, put them decide a never won another playoff game. Right. Only time they won playoff games. Those two year. One four that's eight. Saying they made the playoffs, but they didn't win playoff games in any year other than the two Super Bowl years, and he thinks for that reason he's not a whole famous. So it was interesting. So a question about that. If he had retired sooner would he be more likely hall of fame by hanging on dragging on every other week. I hear you guys talking about going. Oh, he's just hanging on. Is. He lessening his chances of getting into the well, I'll say something else about him the draft class that traff classes, pretty good. Philip rivers, Philip rivers, Ben Rothlisberger. And Eli manning now on Taylor and Sean Taylor. From miami. Philip rivers has never gotten to the Super Bowl. I don't know how many playoff games Philip rivers has one. But but Philip rivers is a guy whose name will come up until make the hall of fame. I think Ben Rothlisberger will make the hall one too. He's got to. But he got to Jim Plunkett, not in the hall of fame with two. There's precedent. Absolutely. There's precedent. So you can take this position. But he lie at least saves his starting job. And we'll have Jason lockenfora on after this Jason lockenfora is saying that not only is John Harbaugh working on a exit strategy with which he talked about last week with the the ravens. But that he has said of Joe flacco a guy with one Super Bowl. Yeah. A guy with one guy with a good playoff record has one game. Yeah. He unlike Eli. He's got a good playoff record that his status is now. And this is the direct quote up in the air. Maybe they wanna get Lamar Jackson. Because if I'm John Harbaugh, and I'm looking at being canned and I got this kid on the bench roll the dice. And see if this kid has magic. Sure see if he can win five of the last seven get me in the playoffs. I get credit for starting Lamar Jackson. Now, the odd-man-out becomes Joe flacco what the beginning of this year looked pretty good. Look like a guy. I think they had won three in a row at one point. So that was in the game. That game was pretty good last night and many people. I'm sorry to interrupt. How many tune-in it's not how many people didn't in because they thought it was gonna be a dumpster fire cane. Then I started watching in the end. Okay. Pretty good game. Even though I don't really care about those teams. I wonder what the radio. Probably pretty good so rating major markets, right? The fact that they are San Francisco and New York helps them you're rating your rating, ultimately is determined by how many people are there at the start of the game. Because there's a build fact Bill factor for every single game. But you can't build from three to eighteen you can build from twelve to eight market. So so I think that more people tuned into that than you might think, and they might have been brought in its conceivably could have been brought in by the wildfire situation. You know, that that people said I wonder if they're if they're going to focus on this on any level. And by Veterans Day, it's conceivable that those who work in the favour of that game just as a corollary to this particular thing there's this great Monday night game next week. Yes. But the field. Yes. This is the Rams and the nine one nine and one this is a great game. But it is scheduled at has been scheduled for seven or eight months. To be in Mexico City. They now find on inspecting the field in Mexico City, which has been used as it should be for soccer games and concerts that it's a bit shoot up. Oh, my God it like older shield up as my backyard after all this rain, which is a mudhole my backyard. So there is talk, and I don't know how efficient this talk would be. There is talk of moving the game to Los Angeles. Now, I'm going to assume that the talk is about Los Angeles because that is at least nominally Aram som- game and not get. Yeah. Or else? They would you'd hear grants the city also. They have terrible terrible. Find can't bring people. I I don't know how you're supposed to do that. You can't give the game to Kansas City. If it's a Rams home game. Right. So and I'm going to assume I'm gonna assume that for economic purposes the NFL wants that game in Mexico City as because the the NFL is expansion and wants to see if that can happen. But if that field look on my God. Oh my God. Arca was simply spray painted opinion earns. That was spray painted green. They need to toughen up play the game in Mexico City. So if they can play games at FedEx field, which actually causes injury players can play down there. I'm not gonna put chessy on your yard everyday. They can play that game. Dammit. Get George Toma down there. He put Jesse out in the yard. And I have to say that that the do you have rain statistics it rained again. Yes, we have to be five yesterday yesterday from about three o'clock on and it was raining when I took the dog out at five thirty this morning and Thursday, it's going to be raining again. The frisbee game this morning with the dog. It's just a mudhole out there. It is depressing at how bad. Whether here the frisbee game chessy because you get into an ACL kinda slip. Yeah. 'cause she runs like an elephant a hard running dawn cutback lanes. We had at some point. I think cameras said last week or two weeks ago that we were in a situation where we had more instances of rain of at least one inch or more hard rain, then ever and that we were closing in on like third and by the way one and two were in the eighteen hundreds. So I don't trust the measurement. I think I think I got back. I think the measurements have gotten better. I think the measurements of. But it it's it's it's depressing for your own restaurant. People don't come out restaurants. A lot of things it's just pretty packed in here last night. Good. Well, we we're gonna get to that later in the show because Tory. Unlike me, Tori, actually does draw crap to and I know we'll do the book podcast later, but Nigel has news of his own book. Would you please talk about your own? Oh, the Simon the seacat. It's finally finished at least for the book, which would be a kindle version getting the the cover. Fomented correct before the paperback version, which I hope to get done what was weekend and the hardcover in the plus a hardcover edition of Simon the seacat self-published. Salty sea cat or is this a different book the adult versions? Yes, I'm gonna see cat. Working on this food for several years. People like to see Simon seacat. Thank you very much. So just to give you the story. Yes. Tell us the story this World War One. We were to actually after World War Two. This is during the Chinese civil war. Simon was a cat wondering on the streets of Hong Kong and a British sailor found him said you would like to come on with these shifts bottom on boy, some rats and Simon was very good at combating, the rats and safeguarding the food supplies. So everybody on the ship loved him. And then the ship got orders, but nineteen forty seven hundred forty eight go to go up the Yellow River to check on the British consulate got caught in a gun battle with the Chinese communist now in real life that Simon save anybody. 'cause Lassie would well Simon was wounded in the attack. And they said this is he's gonna make it. He's in the infirmary. He's gonna make an only out of the infirmary and went back to the ships pantry to stand gone action station. Stan god. So the entire ships cruise assignment, totally inspired them. The gunbattle lasted for less than from a month. There was stuck in this position. Yeah. It was really the ship is called the amethyst the amethyst and became this international incident. But they find a way to extricate themselves from that. And they promoted Simon to a full member of the crew able seacat Simon and the way home they were sending dispatches back to the admiralty, and they found out about it and Simon was awarded something called the Dicken medal. Which is spelled K. I N, and it's a sensually the British of the victorious cross for animals who commit acts of heroism bravery in time. No one has written this story of no there's a couple of other Simon the seacat stories. Yes. This'll be the definitive. Yes. This is the definitive version of it. So yes, it Simon was awarded this medal and was celebrated when he go back to England party too. Little pony actually like Ovechkin. Yes. Yes. What's he drunk in every every? Now, keep in impact with with the truth of the story. Now, this is the longest resume of a book. I never heard back story. Yeah. Labor love Simon actually passed away shortly after returning to England died of his wound. And I said initially I was talking about I wanna clued this in the book because it's an important lesson for children the circle of light is children. So not apparent this in my good friend. Jim. From the cat cannot. No, the cat has to live. So so I cut it off when it gets back to England is a very happy still sequel, though, I actually am working Simon the seacat dies after death the five catching meeting heaven. Another book about the hero dog of the Titanic. This dog named jewelry into a niche. Mitch's? Good. Exactly. Yeah. So you have to get hardcover because this will be a gift book. And then you have to have the plush Simon the cat toy with the little metal around his neck. The movie way it's possible that more he could do three shows devoted to this. Yes. Very possible. Gussie is listening. I'd like to get this brought a whole bunch of things over the summer. Maybe we'll get to these later I had wedding announcements and baby announcements on kept him in my in my briefcase, and I've never made we'll get a letter A. So we will we have any commercials to today 'cause he'd never handed the. It's always good to have those. When we come back to four of CBS sports will join us. I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Okay. This is the lows ad. And as everybody knows I do a lot of do it yourself projects around the house and how I do them is I call somebody. I call I go in and I call who's a worker man and who can come over here. And do this thing that's very important to the only took your advice and became a day five with no faucet. Oh, no, our master bath. Well, you need to get craftsman tools from Lowes. It's an very hard to reach place. I try to get the hundred turf ranch. Turf ranch grim all the nuts inside the faucet. And now, it's broken. And this is looking like, she expects me to do something. 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That's lex couple of days when we're going to be going to be here in DC hasn't gig at the velvet lounge on the fifteenth Thursday at eight thirty she's very very good. She's unbelieveably tally go by and see Deanna. And you we have Jason lockenfora CBS sports with us before we get into talking because I question is always about copper the dog. I read this from Nate Mendham who writes, I'm a millennial longtime listener from Madison Wisconsin, go badgers. I was particularly moved by the recent Jason lockenfora interviews with his pup. Copper and wanted to give back in a small way to one of my personal favourite pod. Guests little helping bigs. I created a gofundme page tell with the course of copper's vet bills. So the Chason can still hopefully get him. Some much needed me. Undies no middle aged man should ever go without underpants during the holiday season and through the generosity of eighteen other Little's they've already raised four hundred forty five dollars, except this is a small way of giving back to the people who have give give so much entertainment to me. And so many other Little's lives get healthy as soon as possible. Copper so we can have the hilarious barking fits and Jason's accent back. How is the dog? What do you think of that? We're beyond. And humbled and touch that anybody would would do that. We could not accept that money ever. I would feel terrible. I could have done. Yeah. Well, yeah. Maybe the second one. Honestly of that is that is incredible. We could just donate the money to barks Baltimore area. Ooh. Shelters. Excellent. I'd I would be that would be awesome. Because there's so many other pups out there that that need help. But thank thank you guys so much, and it is amazing everywhere. I go tone. I don't get recognized from the NFL network. I barely get recognized from CBS like generally when I run into people that Jason like house copper. We read a big CBS promotional Times Square Friday night. And there's this group of guys from New York there, and they call me over and I'm thinking this is going to be fantasy football. Or, you know, what do you think the jets or the jets going to cover this week a home? It was like, hey, man house. Copper. I'm like, dude, really. That's a little bit about Nigel all night. Wonderful and the dogs recovery. Moves along he's doing well. Yeah, we went to two week checkup was pretty good. Now, he thinks he's all the way back. So now, it's actually kind of scary because he thinks he can get down steps and stuff like that again. So we must be vigilant tone. It takes a village. All right. Let's get to football. And let's get to the thing. We lead with yesterday on PTI. And I think that it's the overriding question this year. What's wrong with the eagles? What's wrong? Yeah. Yeah. I thought this would have been there launching point coming out of the by wounded Dallas team. I think goals don't take played twenty five percent of the snaps. Twenty nine percent of them. Bottled my mind, I thought the whole reason you're going out and getting could've the by featured party, you're off at the sort