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'Better America': Biden's Campaign Launches New National Ad
"In one thousand, nine, sixty, four Lyndon Johnson ran a now iconic campaign ad against Barry Goldwater where a little girl counts daisy pedals until her counting becomes the countdown to nuclear explosion idea being present goldwater has become elected and started a nuclear war because he's a madman. said. It. there. Is, are, the stakes. You'll make a world in which all of God's children can live. Aren't to go into the dark room, we must either love each other. Or we must die. Vote for President Johnson on November third, the stakes are too high for you to stay home. The stakes are that you're adorable daughter gets nuked. Now. Even though we're not living through a nuclear winter, we are living through a version of disaster. I mean a a national disaster resulting in thousands and thousands of deaths day after day after day and a new Joe Biden goes against the grain in many ways the opposite of the grand life and death scale the daisy at. The new the biden relates what a bummer. This current disastrous doesn't focus deaths, evictions, closed schools. It says, this virus is ruining the little things like seeing your grandkids. have been gifted with two beautiful grandchildren. We try to see them as often as possible and it's been six months. And it's way too long. And while I don't blame Donald Trump for the virus, I blame him for his lack of action and because of that, we're sitting here zooming or facetime ing with our grandchildren instead of hugging and kissing them. And that's hard. Joe Biden knows every moment is precious I trust you Biden to get this virus under control? I'm Joe Biden and I approve this message. Seems like a really real smart relatable ad for a portion of the population that Joe Biden is trying to focus on. This is for all the people who were sold on idea that there was some normal around the Ben. During the trump years because there is no normal during trump that was false join me. Now for more on the different approaches, the two campaigns are taking is Adrian Shropshire. She's a veteran democratic strategist and executive director of black pack had a lot of experience in politics community organizing and ads as well and I just I was so struck by this ad agent because it's so understood in. So many ways given how terrible things are and given the kind of micro targeted median voter. He's trying to reach you know elderly couple or senior citizen couple in Florida. Yeah I mean the reality is that. Voters understand where we are. They understand the crisis that we're in. They do not. WanNa see campaign after campaign ad reminding them of our national. Right. I've said he focused move after folks. And what? The message that voters say that they want to hear is one of national unity. They WanNa hear message about a path forward how this mess is going to get fixed and I think the brilliant thing about that ad is that. while. It appears to be targeted at one segment of the electorate. The reality is that that is all of us, right? That is my entire family every Sunday night sitting zoom call, right so it is it is. There is a moment where the multipronged crisis that are facing the country are literally touching every single one of us and what's brilliant about the ad is that. You know it's it leads toward that unifying message right? It is it in every message quite frankly every ad I would hope to see that comes out of the campaign on is a way to unify to tell a message to tell a story that connects people about the moment that we're in. It's really if you think about it in this in this way having a national unity being a campaign strategy all by itself.
Nevada to mail all voters ballots; Trump promises lawsuit
"In Nevada, the State Republican, Party, and Republican National Committee sued, Clark County officials in June in part over their plan to mail absentee ballots to quote an active voters and president trump threaten further legal action just yesterday after the governor of that State Steve This lack signed a bill ensuring that all the citizens in state can vote by mail November a very common sense approach when it might be dangerous to go to the polls. In. Fact, the RNC now lists a total seventeen states were they in the trump campaign are engaged in legal battles related to in voting and other ways that they say Democrats are assaulting the integrity of their elections. Of course, assaulting terror elections meeting here making sure people can vote. This is a full concerted effort by the entire ministration and crucially the Republican Party. Whether they like trump or Nada they will eyes are nodded hickeys uncouth a whole Party to. The legitimacy of the election to cast aspersions on voting by mail and attempt to. Bar People from voting by mail. All why were in a deadly pandemic that has killed almost one hundred and sixty thousand of our fellow Americans.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"On all end president polls, campaign ads and hitches his prospects on destroying the integrity of the election. Tonight what states are doing to stop trump assault on democracy then the insanity of Republicans leading the covert rescue laps with Senator Sherrod Brown plus stark admission from Dr. Vouch. E on the failure of the federal response to grow in a virus and a shocking new report on how the White House ditch their own cova testing plan because the affected states vote for Democrats when all in starts right now. Good evening from New York I'm Chris Hayes of all the crazy things happening right now there are a lot. The craziest might be something that is not happening. There's no one on the floor of the United States Senate. There's no in their offices they're not on Capitol Hill. If all gone home for the weekend, in fact, they went home yesterday congress is in recess right now the very day that six hundred dollars a week of unemployment insurance bonuses for tens of millions of people has expired. It's done as of today. It's a shocking and disgusting slap in the face from the Republican Senate leadership to struggling Americans the Democratic House has already passed a bill to re re up at. But also think about how insane this is politically. There's an election less than one hundred days. You might have noticed the Republican Party currently has a majority in the Senate it's defending a bunch of intensely contested seats. There's a sitting Republican president probably heard that too he's up for reelection. The country is in a once in a century catastrophe. The Gross Domestic Product is down nearly a record ten percent in just one quarter just look at bat chart. That's where we are there tens of millions of people unemployed more than one hundred and fifty three thousand Americans are dead for a pandemic that is raging across the country. And the CDC is now forecasting the total American death toll could hit one hundred and eighty, two, thousand by August twenty second. In about three weeks. Opening in person instruction up and down the country restaurants are going out of business, right and let baseball can barely function. All of American life is torn asunder. We are drowning here folks and Senate Republicans are just like peace, Summer Fridays. You know how we do. Reveals a deep truth about the Republican Party right now. But a governing level they have no answers for the catastrophe political level. They are acting like a party that understands they are about to get creamed. It's an accident that half the Republican Senate Caucus is rebelling against doing anything some of those prominent opponents or people who clearly have their eyes on the future people senators Ben Sasse, Josh Holly, and Ted Cruz. People were very clearly already pivoting to be the tough austerity opposition in a future democratic presidency after their own party basically destroyed the country. You have the CO founder of the conservative federalist, society. The group that has essentially hand-picked the president's. Chew Supreme, court nominees, and all his appellate nominees and all the judges he's confirmed. A man who rose the defensive trump amidst the motor investigation calling trump's latest outrageous tweet about postponing the election fish cystic his words, and impeachable. Now. Maybe he just was really offended by that tweet by by what it meant or maybe he's cashing in his chips having already won the conservative judges that he wanted. You former Reagan speechwriter Peggy Noonan writing the Republican Party has to be rebuilt. You the President and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Knifing each other publicly today I don't think people quite realize what happened on this, but McConnell has said from the beginning and this is itself nuts. That he's number one priority amidst the pandemic, that's now killing an American every minute is to make sure the bosses can make you go back to work and then you can't sue them. Okay. So liability protection. That's what Mitch McConnell cares about Donald Trump who actually has a better sense of what is politically popular the Mitch McConnell basically had his spokesperson say say we don't care about liability protection we just want to get the money out the door And that's because of course, they understand the reelection depends on. Republicans are losing the generic ballot by eight points. Trump approval rating is at forty percent. He's looting in head to heads with Joe Biden by eight points. Right now, he is losing all the swing states. They're behind in Senate races according to the polling in Maine in Colorado way behind in Arizona, they're competitive in a bunch of states they should not be or people didn't anticipate North Carolina and those are real races. Political reports Republicans are worried about losing even more seats in the house. Which is hard to do at this point because they're pared down to basically the bare minimum after two, thousand, eighteen, the one thing the Republican Party could do to turn it. All around would be competently govern the country and to get a handle on the panic, but they cannot do that. and. So this point, Donald Trump is just getting up and knocking over the chess. Board. You know his campaign suspended their AD spending less than one hundred days before the election. They slow down there. August. Ad By an election year with a record setting amount of money sitting the bank with referred to as the death. Star. And I think the reason they got some negative press. They've reversed himself to the reason I think is right now. The new plan basically happening right in front of is, is to undermine the election itself. Increasingly. It's clear that that's going to be the sum total of trump's campaign. To use the tools of the federal government to sabotage and disrupt the administration free and Fair Elections Ascend Federal Forces in the swing states to create viral content to slow down the mail from the post office when people are afraid to vote in person and then to undermine legitimacy of mail in ballots. All, the president's mail in ballot focused and it's not just the president. It's the RNC IT Stephen Miller. It's people coming to his defense. If you want trump TV, it's not a temper Tantrum it's a concerted strategy. They, WanNa make it harder to vote in the midst of a pandemic. They wanted to be the case that there people vote in person and the other people vote by mail. And then they can just kind of try to get rid of the mail in ballots. It's pretty clear. One Way to do that is to slow down the mail in general, which is what they are already doing right in front of our eyes. Here's a headline watching post- postal service backlog sparks worries that ballot delivery could be delayed November. We've been covering this story night after night and I've been getting dozens of emails from people work in the post office who are customers who worked in before about the male slowing down about how weird it is to be told to leave mail. And is the Washington Post Greg. Sargent reported today in all these Swing States Arizona Florida Wisconsin Pennsylvania, and Michigan Ohio and Georgia. It is not a question of when you mail your ballot right the postmark. It's question when it's received. The male is too slow so it doesn't get their by election day well..
Mariko B. Ryan - The Opposite of Fear is Freedom
"Wondering if you could just stop by. Giving us a little bit of your background and might tell us about where you grew up. Sure. Thank you for having made by view if I may start with something slightly different, and then kind of Wolf into your question, it feels right this point knowing that you're gonNA have USTRALIAN lesson, and possibly some New Zealand looseness, listeners and Mahdi listeners live in Australia. To greet them out traditional way so if you don't mind to do that and they go into Chris Hayes. Yeah let me to buy a native. The Mahato Hawk of the cut th-wa. They not cut the auto thin lot further fatwa unlike a made Tina yet to. while. The Tate Ottawa. Took it. So I've just greeted them and let them know who I am. Tribal is speaking that I'm from the northern. Off said Ottawa, and what we, the in the region that we call tied, took it so I have placed myself now in a location. For your listeners. Thank you for that. We did I grow up now this this will take me out of my tribal in grew up in Oakland. I was a child of parents and grandparents who had been part of the Ibanez Ation Price Ace that occurred during the fifties and sixties so the government. Made some economic policy decisions, which made that many of my relations hedge leave tribal areas to find week. I'm a child of those. Generations brought up in Oakland end lift or conceivable years to Levin L appliances in new. Zealand as well which I think was a very positive thing to do to get out of a US associate like this. And experienced the region's. Pivotal years because they caused mess cultural disconnection. And, they enabled the government to grab huge tracts of land, making it impossible for many Erie tune in my family and my upbringing. was part of the impact where we could go what we call home to travel lanes, but we no longer had lanes the so we couldn't retuned to love. And sorts so that whole part of my life now I look at it. In terms of what historical periods did I grow up and? What was my experienced during that time had an impact Mian tombs of going forward as a young. Girl in thin woman unto the swilled. And what have I been able to extract? From the things that we'd lost by being why from l.? A. And I gained, so they were really interesting. Innovation Spring, curious in my growing up is. My Molly side. But we were really fortunate as well because my father and grandmother who lived close by maintained connections very strongly with a tribal areas, so we travel back and forth as whichever back and forth Tortuga liens constantly I remember vividly. It would take us more than twelve hours driving to get what is now about a five hour drive. And the roads were pretty rough, but it gave me a really sound connection to my roots, and we didn't become strangest to tribal land and to our entities. So in that respect. We were very fortunate. That wasn't the case for many of my relations who? Lived and different eras around the country, and many moved over to Australia and been have been unable to reconnect. Yes so, that's that's that Christian. Beautiful and sorry sounds like it was a real priority and our real conscious choice feel family that, even though they might have been physically moving away from these tribal lands that really wanted to maintain that connection, and as a what astray leading girl I'm really love to hear more about like what that looks like in your family life. It looks different now than it did when I was a child so when I was a child, I remember my my father, my my parents and his relations. Attending what will we code land meetings and Oakland so we're in a very politically charged time, so they were very conscious of the. Bureaucratic. Colson wheels that had been put in place to land off them. And they had to fight a beer credit in cool system in order to hold on to name, so there were several land to meetings are record as a child where people would get together and figure out how they were going to respond to a very complicated legal system that was biased against them. And so I remember very much being a part of that in an although I, was more likely to be outside playing with the other children I do recall many times sitting inside the Ramos Waylon this name. To what was being seed in also hearing? On natives because? Switching, languages constantly throughout the conversation which I said do it in a book. It's a kind of a reflection of my neighbors of how the language switching was to so fluid.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"And we should know that your point. There is so crucial. mean a huge part of. The conversation about this on my podcast. We talked about this before. About like what are colleges or colleges for right? What do they sell people what they provide? They provide an education. They've provided credential. Nip provide experience among other things and part of this is just saying look like the experience a big part of it. It's y parents like scrimp and save the. They send their kids away to have this experience, but if we're saying, look the experience itself, which is like kids hanging out in each other's dorm rooms, and going to parties and being in late at night at the student theater that itself is on safe. You can't have experience. We just got to take that away and it's not like they're. You know they're not like they're five or six year olds. Where there's a sort of you can't really do zoom schooling with kindergartners. You can do it with with. Students Age. There shouldn't be a workable way to do it. Well, there is a workable way to do it. There's a workable way to do it for students and for citizens. There is not a workable way to do it for customers. That's where we find ourselves with thirty years of conditioning people to think of higher education as any other consumer good. To think of students and families as customers, we now have to pay the Piper customer wants a certain experience. While customers are not the white sort of framework to think about the moment that we're in a global health, pandemic is larger than a customer. A global health pandemic requires.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"You are not allowed to be oppressive. You're not born in this country. He may not have been born in this country and I'll tell you what three weeks ago. I thought he was born in this country right now I have some real doubts. Began his modern political career birtherism, the racist conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not on the United States the untrue racist conspiracy theory. Then he pivoted from that to challenging president. Obama's records is a college student. I don't know if you remember this chapter. Put Back in two thousand twelve. It was so bizarre. Trump even offered to make a five million dollar dollar charitable donation, as if if Obama released his college records and applications like who cares. This is what now president trump bills. His entire political career on got him. What's got him to this point? The one thing we do not need a book to tell us about the president. Is that everything? He does projection. So perhaps it is not surprising that one of the details in the new tell all book by his niece Mary Trump titled Too Much never enough how my family created. The world's most dangerous. Is that. The president embraced cheating as a way of life, and that included cheating his way into college, quoting from the book, aware of the Wharton School's Reputation Donald set his sights on the University of Pennsylvania to hedge his bets. He enlisted Joe Shapiro. A smart kid with a reputation for being a good test taker to take his sat's him I was much easier to pull off in the days before photo ideas and computerized records Donald never lacked funds paid his buddy well. Trump family, try to stop the publication of the tell without success now the publisher Simon and Schuster citing high demand, extraordinary interests that the book will come out next Tuesday two weeks ahead of schedule. The president's niece was doctoral degree in clinical psychology has written a book. That is kind of a classic. Trump genre. It's shocking, but not surprising and a counter, perhaps the most obviously damaged human being in public life to talk more about this I'm joined by someone who read through an advance copy of the book. Lynn Sweet Washington bureau chief at the Chicago sun-times. Lynn, someone who has who has digested as much as possible. What is your takeaway when you're talking about someone who's who's pathologies and insecurities are so obvious every second that you're watching him. Well here here's the thing Kristie, the tank way is this is a family member who observed a trump from the start here, so you don't have anyone who is unfamiliar with with the story, and that's why I think that the war in episode is so telling, because people who follow trump even kinda slightly since he's become president now that he constantly refers to going to Warren as some testimony to is. What is telegenic, his suitability for office or something like that and most adults? No matter where you went to school. As proud is, you might be just don't constantly..
Arizona seeing highest number of new coronavirus cases per capita
"Joining now from where things stand is to reject director for the Arizona Public Health. Association will humble. He's also the former director of the Arizona Department of Health Services and I know that. We've got data reportings very lumpy, and we're coming off a holiday weekend, and so the picture is not as clear on this Tuesday, as it normally would, because of those reporting delays, but this jumped out to me as of today Arizona not the cove infections per capita of any state, but also the most of any state has ever had. We hit five hundred and twenty eight per million, new. York topped out at five nine on April tenth. What what does it look like to you in Arizona, right now. That really says it all, doesn't it? I mean everybody knows what happened in New York and now it's happening in Arizona and who would have thought that it would happen in a state like Arizona but his shows you that the policy decisions that you're elected. Officials make have real life consequences and the decisions, the decisions in May and early June or lack of decisions are really what set in the cascade of events that ended up where we are today with a graph just saw. We're also seeing an inflection point in deaths in Arizona. We saw it also just I just saw about an hour ago. I think Texas reported its highest fatality level. I'm a very long time today. There's been this lag. Obviously between cases and battalions were catching more cases. There's a hope that fatalities won't be as high right now. What are you seeing the fatality data? Where do you think this is going? So. There's a couple of things that may be moderating the death rate here in Arizona. Number one is that the new cases are really exploding in twenty and thirty year old people who are. Less likely to end up in an ICU bed, and less likely to die. It happens, but it's less likely the other thing is that clinicians are getting better at treating people for covid. Nineteen at the beginning was just supportive care now there's a couple of medications that can improve the course of the illness, so as physicians learn a little bit more about how to treat illness I think that may be working in our favor a little bit and finally. I I'm hoping that this also represents an improvement in infection control within assisted living and skilled nursing facilities I. Don't know that for a fact. I do know that they are trying harder than they were and personal. Protective equipment is more available, but really there's no substitute for weekly testing of staff that work in those facilities. I don't think that that's happening. In terms of testing seeing, it's really maddening. We're seeing bottlenecks again, and you're seeing that in that positivity rate going up, and it's upright now. It's almost thirty percent I think in Arizona I mean the the recommendation the are you want the positivity right below three percent, which basically shows that you're testing enough? The MARICOPA county reported Covid, nineteen positivity rate of twenty eight point eight percent. This is the Phoenix Mayor tweeting. We've seen testing sites where people waited for more than eight hours in one hundred and ten degree heat to get tested. This is unacceptable. Arezzo needs more testing and context racing to slow the spread. This seems like a major major and acute failure right now as as the state tries to get a hold of this. positivity rate is off the charts, and as you said, it needs to be ten times lower than it is right now. We're at twenty five percent positive. The next highest state I think is Texas and Florida. They're in the the teens, so we're much higher that we need to be on that regard. The other thing is that our turnaround time on these tests is really pretty bad like we're looking at turnaround times between getting A. A sample collected from a patient and getting those results back from the lab of seven eight nine, even fourteen days, and what that means. Is that your contact tracing capacity? Your contact tracers can't do their job because by the time they get the data. The patient has already either gone back to work infected their roommates or co workers, and and it doesn't matter how good contact tracing capacity is if you're getting the results that late. It's going to be ineffective at Saint. We've gotta just get more tests, but faster testing. You know months ago. There's a lot of debate about the Swedish model Sweden was one of the few countries that had had you know. Had the virus didn't shutdown did close some things here? There? Make some efforts, and there was some question about. Can you avoid the worse consequences both economically and also of sort of social and physical and emotional health of lockdowns, and I your piece today basing no, it's not it's a cautionary tale. It was sort of a failed experiment. It does seem to me. We're headed towards the sun belt. Sweden experiment in the US I mean governor Ducey does seem reluctant to take any more steps and he has. We're just GONNA. Find out how bad it can get back. I Isaac, we adopted the Swedish model right around Memorial Day to be honest with. I've said that publicly that I think what we're really doing is going down the Swedish road and. And what we see is we can learn. The previous segment you talked about learning for mothers. You know I this is an example where we could have learned from others and I hope other people learn from us because this experiment isn't going well.
Masks have become a partisan issue
"Earlier today. The vice president united. States Mike Pence stopped by diner in Pennsylvania typical campaign, fair and video that event was shown on TV and their other than a secret service guide appears in the back and later a waitress. Almost nobody is wearing masks as far as I can tell no one, certainly not these supposed head of the corona virus taskforce. You remember that. That and that might seem like a small thing especially to anyone who managed to convince themselves, and you'll want to really have to worry about the virus. The reality is that the virus is still here. It's still killing people every day and the more we learn, the more we know, that close sustained indoor proximity without masks like what they're doing in. The diner brings with it a high risk of transmission. Seems the more we learn, the more we learn, that masks matter a lot in many of the countries that are managed to control the virus like Taiwan pretty much. Everyone wears masks. In fact just this week. A British study found that widespread mask-wearing could prevent covid nineteen second waves, not that we're even to the point where we're trying to prevent a second wave here in America. Sadly, we are still squarely in the first wave. We basically plateaued. Twenty thousand cases a day, just under a thousand deaths a day. That is our new devastating normal. We've already lost more than a hundred and fifteen thousand Americans right now. Hospitalizations are surging number of states including Arizona, Tennessee Arkansas South Carolina and Alabama. Two States Oregon Utah have paused their reopening efforts amid spikes. In cases in fact, I'm going to talk the governor of Oregon Kate Brown in just a moment about that to other states with large populations Florida and Texas just reported records for daily highs in new cases, which is particularly striking given that Republicans announced yesterday that Jacksonville Florida is the new alternatively location for the Republican National Convention after officials in Charlotte North, Carolina declared. The event would not be safe there. The safety does not seem to be much of a concern for the President United States amidst the pandemic that is seen one hundred and fifteen thousand people die. Next Week Donald. Trump is as you may have heard holding his first campaign rally since lockdown in where Tulsa Oklahoma, where covid nineteen cases just record daily high. That's right. Officials said the increase has been identified as an outbreak linked to indoor gatherings, okay. The president will be holding his rally at. An indoor arena at the Bank of Oklahoma Center, which just over nineteen thousand people packed in there. As far as we can tell, he's telling his supporters that if they get the corona virus at his rally, it's not his problem in order to attend. They have to agree not to sue Donald Trump if they come to the rally and they catch the coronavirus. At least those people have choice, the president has forced graduating cadets at west point who have been sent home to return to campus, so he can deliver a commencement address tomorrow, which we think will be outdoors, so that's good and can have a photo op with them. At least fifteen of those cadets have already tested positive for the virus. The science here as tentative and unformed as sort of dynamic as it is, suggests our best hope to fight the virus right now. If we want to not have locked down, right, be some version of normal our best hope right now. He's wearing masks, washing hands social, but wearing masks, wearing masks wearing masks. And yet the president and the vice president who extensively want to get the economy back on track and get back to normal, not only refuse to wear them. They have effectively turned wearing masks into a culture where issue and they have stoked this political backlash against those who dare tell us how to stay safe. Here's an example in Orange County California the chief health officer Dr Nicole quick resigned amid backlash and a death threat death threat over in order to wear masks, residents, comparing her to a Nazi and holding protests at her home. This was a scene at Tuesday's Orange County Board of supervisors meeting. I have been discriminated five times in the last two days I have been actually turned away. I cannot go in these businesses without a mask. You're telling me that I have to breathe in c. o two when God gave this body, the ability to extract that from my body, and now you want me to put it back in my body. I have natural rights as a sovereign citizen of the United States by continuing to keep people in masks separated out of work with no legitimate cause. You are kneeling on the next of the people, and you are continuing to act in a thuggish manner. Guys over like really like. You know I mean. Are we talking about this? Kneeling on the next, she compared wearing a mask to killing. George Floyd and it's over. Are we still talking about this? Yeah, we're still talking about it. People are still dying from it, but that's the view of the White House that women's view. It's not just happening in Orange County Ohio Ohio state. There's been a relative success story and containing the virus Republican. Governor Mike DeWine. Has Been a leader on the issue. He credited Dr Acton, who's health rector, the state as a hero for her role, and that included advising government wind lockdown early very early left the state in much better position to reopen. Dr Acton has now resigned amid lawsuits the push by Republicans. And protests at her home where some people conspicuously carried God's. The Guardian reports some demonstrations at the State House featured signs bearing antisemitic messages. That's comparing her Nazi again. Acting as Jewish and one lawmaker referenced her with an anti-semitic Slur. Dr? Amy Acton died her estate through a pandemic and for that she target for Reactionary Idiots. Look it's a complicated world we live in. Complicated time it's not like the experts are all in unison about everything they're not. It's not like this isn't complicated. There have been mixed messages about the virus and transmission about mask-wearing. When they told us not to wear mass February, they were wrong about that and we're still processing data, and they're still all sorts of countervailing balances between different kinds of risks. What we're doing. But we have seen what happens. If there's one thing we know, we've seen what happens across the world. And in this country when leaders just shove their fingers and say I can't hear you corona virus. There's a real danger of politics and political forces overwhelm public health entirely. And we sure as heck should not be punishing health, experts and leaders were crying to help us help ourselves to stay safe and healthy.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Evening from New York I'm Chris Hayes today. George Floyd was laid to rest in his hometown of Houston as the protest sparked by his killing, continuing small towns and big cities across America undeterred, in fact, even invigorated by President who has set himself in opposition to the protesters. The conditions in this country in so many ways have changed so much in the past couple of weeks over the past months is almost impossible for US covering it day in day out watching the news and the headlines to fully conceive of where things stand. How much the world in this country changed, those changes have proven to be task strange paradoxical nature of Donald Trump's political strength. His ability to hold tightly do is. Despite repeatedly saying and doing terrible things that would sink virtually any other politician. Back in two thousand sixteen trump infamously said you'll recall could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot. Somebody would not lose any voters. He said it sort of surprised bemused. It turns out that ushering the worst cataclysm in the nation in a century guiding the economy and recession and standing in opposition to majority of Americans support the protests and say police need to change well. It turns out that all does have an effect. Day by day more data accrues to show how politically wiki is. How politically imperilled and how much the actual crises of the country are overwhelming his ability to distract Americans and manipulate the media. fivethirtyeight polling average on April. I had trump your forty six percent approval for the past ten weeks. He's seen that approval rating steadily erode dropping nearly five points down to forty one percent. That may not look like a lot, but keep in mind. This is someone who polling has been remarkably stable. Also the poll suggests Donald. Trump would be absolutely crushed by Joseph Biden if the election were held today. Get this and just the past week pulls. A came out showing Biden up fifteen points in Michigan up nine Wisconsin. Up. To Ohio tied in Iowa tied in Texas, all states trump won in two thousand sixteen. After. A recent CNN poll showed Biden up. Fourteen points nationally trump got so upset that he and He retained a highly respected pollster to analyze poll. Another's which I felt were all caps fake. Terrible numbers have taken such a toll on the president's fragile ego. The trump campaign is spent slightly more than four hundred thousand dollars on Cable News ads where well in the swing state of Washington DC over the past month, according to the daily beast, even though he no shot up winning there or in the surrounding states, it's an apparent effort to show the president who spend most of his day all of his day. Something like that watching Cable News and tweeting. They're running ads for him. They got his back. And then today amidst the national conversation just moved so quickly on police reform that even conservative Republicans like Flying Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker. Have placed themselves on the side of reform. And it's this. Change public opinion, the president of the United States today took took aim at the frail cancer, surviving seventy-five-year-old lifelong peace activist in Buffalo, named Martin Buccino a man who gently approached the cops to talk to them, and was shoved to the ground in front of us all. Blood pooling next to his head. Mr Gino who has spent his life, advocating for causes like peace and justice had to spend nearly a week in the ICU. The president today decided to suggest the elderly posters press. Chester could be ANTIFA provocateur. WHO's trying to scan police communications earned a blackout the equipment by the way he fell harder than was pushed. Setup? In response to that. Insane Disgusting Conspiracy Theory Martino himself told USA Today and the at he has quote no comment. Other than black lives matter just out of the ICU should recover eventually, thanks. Always been this kind of feral candy nist the way the trump plays politics. We've all seen it, and it can be hard to tell. Is this man a master manipulator? We'll just kind of brain dead regurgitation of the dark fantasy that make up his media diet. Right now sure seems like the ladder, doesn't it? President is running options slipping the polls. None of his tricks are working, but of course he will stop at nothing to hang onto power, which is why he has been trying to whip up this frenzy of illegitimacy around the basic administration and free and fair elections in this Democratic Republic, and also why his Republican allies have in making it harder for people to vote either by mail despite the pandemic in person. which brings us to election day? Today was election day. Five states held primaries including NBC, including Georgia where NBC News Projects Joe Biden on the Democratic presidential primary. Not that surprising he's the only one left in the race, and this was a scene in the state of Georgia earlier today. Look at. Primary voters mostly in counties that are majority white, having to wait an hours long lines, hours and hours many turned away from the polls mid problems with voting machines any lack of available balance. To come here and you think that you're actually taking an active part in bringing bringing about social change and you get here and it's like I can't go. You don't know if this is just negligence or is. This does deliver. You don't know where it's coming from is just really bad round. It really was a.
George Floyd: Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison on Arrest of Former Police Officer Derek Chauvin
"Joining now more on the arrest of the former. Minneapolis police officers Minnesota Attorney General. Keith Ellison and Attorney General let me let me. I get your response. It's sort of a a a whiplash experience yesterday. Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman saying. This takes time. We sort through this. Today they announced the arrest your response. I think that one of the things all the protests have been calling for is a arrest in hard in his case that has happened You know a murder in this particular degree of it Carries with it a statutory maximum of twenty five years there is a guidelines recommended sentence presumptive sentence of somewhere between twelve and a half to fifteen years. This is a serious charge with serious time associated with it And the investigation is ongoing. There's a parallel factual investigation. But even with all that with the discharge the off of the four officers this charge the ongoing investigation against the other three. That's still not going to be enough to make people feel like we are on the road to a more just Minnesota so we need to really dig into the structural change implement those of core police reforms and other reforms. And that's what I'm committed tonight in into the
Trump tells Amazon to 'build their own post office' in latest jab
"Post office is one of the oldest institutions. We have in this country. It's even written into the constitution just after punishment for counterfeiting and before the Armed Forces is an entire article ahead of the presidency. Now President Donald Trump says forget the constitution and maybe let the post office die on Wednesday atop one of the president. A Guy who was the finance chair for this year's Republican National Convention was named as the head of the postal service so trump allies going to run the organization that trump is very clearly to destroy and it seems pretty clear that trump's animist is largely motivated by anger towards the CEO of Amazon's Jeff Bezos because Amazon currently has a deal with the post office delivers packages and the president's beef is not specifically with Amazon. No Jeff Bezos also owns the Washington Post a paper the writes articles about the president he dislikes and so it looks like Donald Trump is prepared to wants to kill one of the oldest institutions in this country for revenge against the free press from warmest. Dave Diane editor the American prospect earlier. This week he wrote out key. Resignation could ease presents politically motivated war on the postal service. Dave let's I guess start with. Who is this individual that is now going to be the postmaster general the US yes included joy as you mentioned? He's the current largest fundraisers the lead Fundraiser on the Republican National Convention is wife is nominee for US ambassador Canada and he's a large trump donor. So I mean this. This is functionally equivalent to putting trump himself. Pretty much in in the position of running this this enormous nations. So you've got running the. There's also the president's longstanding animus towards it. It's been quite explicit. I mean to two degree. That's really kind of shocking. Basically he he bangs on about the washing posting calls in the Amazon Washington Post and then he bangs on about the post office having to deal with Amazon. And it doesn't. It's not hard to add to up to four. Which is that. He wants to screw the post office because he doesn't like the fact they work with. Jeff Bezos who owns the Washington Post and the real irony? Here is that if you if you do at damaged post office. That's not going to hurt. Jeff bezos I mean Amazon now ships their own packages about fifty percent of the time and a crushing post. Office is really going to up. The game Both the logistics at Amazon and also Fedex and ups Oh The only people this will hurt are the hundreds of thousands of employees at the US. Just talking about some government agencies the second largest employer in the United States and to You know threaten their very lively boards over just this this vendetta that you have that you don't really even understand because what you what you WanNa do isn't going to really affect the the the the animus that you have is is really just a bomb so we should also say new you notice. There's the right has had it out for the post office for a while right. And and the structure of it has been change over time There was congressional legislation that that that require them to pre fund their pension liabilities in a way that basically no one else has to which has created enormous burden on their balance sheet. What is their current financial situation because my understanding is they are in desperate desperate dire straits there definitely in trouble and what you mentioned the pre-funding requirement literally having to pay or set aside money or the Workers that haven't even been born yet. That will be coming in seventy five years down. The road is is the primary reason prior to the pandemic during the pandemic although package deliveries increased direct mail and all kinds of outfits gone way way down so The postal service initially asked for I believe it was eighty nine billion dollars. They got a ten bill billion dollar in addition to their line of credit Through this cares act and the Treasury Department is actually using this right now as leverage this is why the vice chair David Williams resigned because he saw treasury meddling in the affairs of the postal service using this ten billion dollar line of credit as as bait basically should get whatever policy decisions. They wanted out of the bustle service. Say More about that because that's the subject of your reporting. Yeah so Williams resigned my sources. Tell me that he didn't WanNA participate in what is essentially a fraud. The Treasury Department Was Dangling this ten billion dollars in saying you got the union concessions. You have to obviously raise package delivery race on Amazon You have to install a certain people in charge of the postal service and we see the the result of that today with Louis Joy. This trump donor being put in charge. So that is my understanding why David Williams resigned and he didn't WANNA participate. You've got a situation you've got a situation treasury. Has Ten billion dollars credit they're in desperate financial straits and MNUCHIN is Treasury Department is using that as a kind of as leverage to get the USPS to do the kinds of things that are the the focus of the president's vendetta including then we have this political head who's now been put in charge of USPS as we come into an election. We should note in which may be extremely vital that we have mail in voting right. I mean the we saw what happened. Wisconsin there's a of fear about what happens in the fall particularly if we have a second wave like there is there is a fundamental democratic role for the USPS to play here. That could be more important than ever
Georgia's Reopening Has Been 'A Disaster' For Some Retailers Desperate For Revenue
"Republican Georgia governor. Brian Campbell is one of the first to declare a state ready to really open for business and less than two weeks later. The results are not good. Ceo of an axe throwing lar- told the local business journal a few days ago that the reopening weekend was a disaster. We had to customers all weekend. And although malls are open they are mostly deserted. People are not rushing back into economic activity. The reason that's obvious it's because of the virus is still. They're still very present threat and there are already signs that in some parts of Georgia things are actually accelerating getting worse. In fact governor kept himself came out yesterday and warned about a growing outbreak in northeast Georgia in an area synonymous with Georgia's large poultry industry quickly. Becoming one of the States. Most affected areas joining me. Now the woman who ran against Brian Cap for Georgia of the governor of Georgia's Stacey Abrams. She also heads up. The southern economic advancement project was helping to alleviate the financial stress that so many are facing amid the pandemic. And let me start on on that question. Stacey it's great to have you tonight in terms of thinking about the sort of economic pain here. I mean when people talk about wanting to reopen. I think that what they're saying is this is terrible. That people unemployed. They don't have money they can make rent. We've seen food insecurity. Go up like how do you think about cushioning that blow or dealing with that problem as we fight the virus? I? It's a legitimate concern. But it has to be prioritized with actually having an economy and having consumers to participate south has the highest poverty rate one of the highest unemployment rates one of the lowest insurance rates and we also see some of the highest death rates and the highest infection rates. We do not have the public health infrastructure to reopen Georgia or any of the southern states. But we're also seeing the most vulnerable populations being forced back into production. Those poultry workers are not workers who are making lots of money. These are folks who have no choice but to go back to work particularly because the president trump's actions left week and those who are being infected not necessarily have access to Medicaid or to any health. If they need to be treated what do you think about the economic effects of this decision by Governor Camp? Right so I mean the idea. Is that you open up and then you can get the economy going but the early signs in your state which is really kind of sort of a pilot here is that people. Don't rush out to go do stuff they were doing before. Just because the governor said you're open for business. Georgia's a cautionary tale to every other state. That's thinking about reopening first of all. We've SEEN OUR RATE SKYROCKET BY FORTY PERCENT. Since the announced reopening the soft relaunched moving into now the near full reopening we seen our rates of infection jump to thirty thousand or death rate is around thirteen hundred. We remain one of the top states for the infection. And we're still very low on the rate of testing. There is no correlation between reopening the state and actually restarting the economy because there are no people who can take advantage of this reopening except for the workers who are being forced to risk their lives. And as you said earlier we're watching concrete issue with food insecurity rising because the south tends to have the lowest public benefits and so people who are already vulnerable already on the edge being shoved over. And there's no real relief coming from the State. There's this this false notion that if we reopen the economy everything will work out and that's just not true.
Whistleblower complaint alleges virus warnings were ignored
"Remember Dr Rick Bright. He was the guy who would be in charge of the government's efforts to find a corona virus vaccine and two weeks ago. He was removed from this extremely important job with zero explanation. Then Dr Bright claimed he was fired for pushing back on President. Trump. President trump push for an unproven malaria drug to be essentially distributed on demand. Today he filed a really revealing and shocking whistleblower complaint charging among other things and abusive authority or gross mismanagement. He elaborated on a conference call reporters this afternoon two years however had been beyond challenging time. After time I was pressured to ignore or dismiss expert and scientific recommendations and instead to award lucrative contracts based on political connections in other words I was pressured to let politics and cronyism dry decisions over the opinions of the best scientists. We have in government Dr. Brian also described his concerns about the lack of government response to the growing outbreak. As far back as January after bright relayed concerns from domestic surgical mass produced that quote the mask supplies at imminent risk. Nothing happened for Week. Leading the mask producer. Email bright quote rick. I think we're in deep shit joining me now. Sam Stein politics editor of the daily beast reporter. Dr Rick Complaint today and Sam. It's it's a long and detailed document and it is quite revealing. What jumped out to you? Well two things. One is the stuff that happened prior to the corona virus outbreak. Which is he details. The systematically corrupt HHS process in which Huge contracts being awarded to people who are very close to top officials at the Agency. The more pressing thing obviously many detailed an administration that was basically had their heads in the sand. I with respect to the corner virus outbreak in China for weeks. Not Months you touched on a bunch of stuff early on but just warning for seeing that a shortage of n ninety five masks was going to be a huge problem and being unable to convince anyone up the chain that this is something they had to deal with also a or lack thereof around getting a vaccine in the developmental process which we now see the administration. The president has but he was talking with officials. January early February about the need to prioritize the stuff and of course got nowhere. But I think the larger thing I was it was interesting to hear. Kathleen civilians. Talk about this is that there's sort of a bigger picture here. Which is that. The careerist and the scientists in the administration were more or less ignored or pushed aside and have been since the onset of the administration's not just the disbanding of the pandemic units. But its people like Dr Bright who are dismissed as alarmist even though the scientist nistration and this is sort of common pattern that you see with his presidency where he goes more with his political guts and how he's thinking than actually doing any long term strategic planning and it's more than guts and there's an allegation of essentially corruption. Here right that that that you have career. Scientists and civil servants were making determinations based on the science and there's pressure from above from the trump administration to steer things in the direction of people that have a a monitor interest because they're buddies of the president like that. And that's one thing if you're talking about know a contract for buying pencils for a federal agency it's another we're talking about vaccines and lifesaving drugs right now. There's so there was this story which detailed the president's push for hydroxy chloroquine as therapy drug To be stockpiled against all sort of prevailing scientific evidence or lack thereof that it was effective in Dr Bright raise. Those concerns admitted that he brought to the attention or confirmed an inquiry from a journalist which ultimately led to his dismissal from his post. So that this is a case of someone saying this is really crazy. What we're doing is borderline not completely unethical. I mean stop and he took provocative steps to stop it. There was another story today. Involving a jared Kushner is Coronavirus tasks in which one of the complaints made against that was that Fox News personalities were able to jump to the front of the line in terms of getting people to hospitals that they deemed helpful. Or you know emotionally close to. So you're absolutely right. There's a horrific way to do this. In the trump administration is basically hitting every which is cronyism favoritism and dismissal. The science I want I want play. What a bride had to say about H- dismissal the of high hydrochloric being the kind of breaking point in terms of Administration take a listen. Americans need to have all the fax they need to know the truth about this pandemic need to be able to trust their government
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Joining me now for more on the president's attempt to pass the blame onto the state Democratic Congresswoman Paul of Washington and congresswoman. You know I suppose the silver lining of the president wanting to essentially delegate and blame is that at the very least he's not like ordering states back into business or things like that at the very least gotten out of the way enough that states that have managed it well like the state of Washington. Your state and I know you've been in a lot of contact with local leaders about this. Have been able to do what they needed to do. I suppose that's the one upside. What what is the cost of this kind of back seat? Approach the president's taking well Chris I mean I think that first of all what we really need to do is liberate ourselves from this president because he has not been helpful in coordinating a federal response. Now some of the people on his team have been we have been able to work closely with some of those people including Dr Foul not a doctor. Burks even the vice president but I think in order for us to beat this virus which is the central question is not about opening up the economy. If we're GONNA open up the economy we have to beat the virus and that is central to this and if the federal government had a coordinated response to how we were GONNA put in place the ability to have testing the the ability to have contact tracing. That is what we need steady supply of the equipment. The tasks all of those things but tied to that in this. Your previous guests was speaking to this. In the meantime we have to make sure we're dealing with the economic devastation. That we have already seen twenty two million people who have filed new unemployment claims in the last month this is going to be a quick downward spiral unless we quickly have a bold solution and that is why. I introduced my paycheck Guarantee Act last week the Senate also just introduced something very similar. What this would do is ensure that we keep people on paychecks. We stanch the flow of unemployment Which is what other countries in Europe have done Germany France Denmark and we ensure that paychecks and benefits continue for workers by directing that money to businesses to put into that payroll and benefits would also does from a public health perspective is gifts incentives for people to stay home for businesses to stay closed and workers to stay home for as long as public health dictates and when we ramp up it is not going to be turning on a light switch. It's going to be a slow ramp up that if we need to re shudder as you were talking about which is really a very real possibility when ninety to ninety five percent of the time. Yeah we'll be uninfected. That's a very real possibility. So we would need to be able to have businesses re shudder and my proposal would allow for us to scale. So if a business is losing seventy percent of its revenue it would get seventy percent of the amount and it would automatically renew based on economic triggers that we would have to meet is so that we know the crisis is over. I wonder about you know. There's there's the there's sort of two things right. There's the virus in the economic devastation. And we have to sort of do both and managing that economic devastation is the thing that will facilitate the conditions to allow us to do what we have to do to to to beat back the virus or do you think there is enough urgency right now among your colleagues. I talked to Jeffrey Speaker. Closest week to to get a bill passed. I mean clearly. There wasn't enough money there. He just in the pay payroll protection. Act which is designed to precisely the way you say right. The the loans are forgivable key people on payroll. Is there enough urgency? Are you moving quickly? Enough is enough being done to kind of keep people supportive. Well I think the problem is. We've tried to use existing systems to deliver relief but those systems are not designed to deliver this kind of relief in this day in aid. So we've used unemployment insurance. That's great but we can't have twenty two million New People joining a unemployment insurance and expect to be able to process that quickly the paycheck protection program was a good set of principles. And as you point out similar to what I'm doing but number one it is incredibly inefficient in how it's delivered using a network of banks and the small business administration when we could go straight from treasury to a business on top of that it's only for companies that have less than five hundred businesses that have less than five hundred workers. Small businesses are incredibly important and so are the large businesses. Small businesses have much less relationship to banks so they are disadvantaged in getting the P and large businesses that have laid off twelve hundred workers. We also need to address the issues of how we keep those workers on paychecks because at the end of the day if we don't prevent this enormous mass unemployment that is here our economy will continue to go into a downward spiral. We won't be able to stimulate consumer demand. We will lose too many businesses on any can't be alone. Even forgivable mine would be a grant that would be made directly to the business. It would be very simple very streamline and we would keep the economy going even through partial recovery so that we can continue to at least hold a level of stasis in the economy rather than trending down congresswoman. Dr Paul. Thank you so much thank you. Chris had the deadly game. Some of the president's most vocal supporters are playing downplaying. The human cost the pandemic in order to get back to business as usual. Set the record straight next. Hey It's Chris. As this week on my podcast wise is happening. I'll be talking with computational biologist Carl Bergstrom but what we do and don't know about the corona virus once these things get out there.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"We need a coordinated approach between the federal government and the states. All he's doing is walking in front of the parade but he is nothing to do with the timing of the parade because he can't handle the responsibility day. Donald trump tried to steer the blame to Democrat governors launching a really unhinged series of dangerously provocative tweets calling on people to protect their second amendment rights and liberate states shutdown by democratic governors. All this while armed. Trump supporters are actively protesting in these state capitals. The reason why he is so desperate to shift the blame is because the blame is coming because the scale of the national emergency we're going through is impossible to ignore here are some headlines from last twenty four hours in American life. The Republican governor by what were schools closed for the rest of the year Republican Governor Mississippi. Who WAITED AWHILE. Do a shelter in place extended his shelter in place order for another week. The Grand Island Area Nebraska now has a cove in nineteen case rate comparable to some of the hardest hit states in the country in fact CNN reports bump and corona virus cases is most pronounced in states without stay at home mortars Oklahoma saw fifty three percent increase in cases over the past week. South Dakota a whopping two hundred and five percent spike be LOMPOC. Federal Penitentiary in California has the worst outbreak in a prison. Sixty nine inmates and twenty five staff members infected twenty. Five people died at just one nursing home in Wayne New Jersey. Ninety percent of the people living at the facility have symptoms and there are thousands of Moore who died in nursing homes across the country. The disease is touching every corner of the country. Here's how the owner of family funeral home in Brooklyn New York explained the reality there the other big issue that we have in New York City. Craig is there a very few crematories? There's really less than a handful in the whole city of New York. And so right. Now for instance. If you wanted to be cremated in Brooklyn the next available date is mid. May in two cases of people exper- facetime so that they could so that they could say goodbye to their husband or say goodbye to their mom. So but it's it's not. It's not how we're made. Both as an industry is a family run funeral home but not has where meat is humans. We look for that visual that that human contact in. It's not possible right now. It's not safe. President's failure has brought us. This moment didn't have to be this way the. Us and South Korea both reported the first confirmed cases on the very same day. Around two hundred. Thirty people have died from the disease in South Korea. Over thirty six thousand have died here in the US. It's now everywhere in this country. It is devastating. And there's no more avenue to a song and dance about boosting the stock market. Happy Talk. That's why you see the president saying today. The states have to step up testing. Even that is an acknowledgement of the failure. A concession of how bad things are and that's what fomenting all the protests is about and trying to restart party two point. Oh the president and his allies are desperate and the knowledge. It's bad it's going to be bad and the political question for them now is. Can we blame someone else? Can we blame the worst part of this reality? Is there some things? Only the federal government can do every state and local officials in saying that today was basically a declaration by the federal government of. You're on your own and not just to the states. This is key to us. Every American every family member worried about a loved one in a long term care facility or in a prison driving the bus for living or working in a beat packing plant. You're on your own figuring out. The president's transparent blame shifting has not been lost some traditional conservative folks. James Pathak UCA's at the American Enterprise Institute tweeted so trump tells the governor. They're calling the shots at the same time. He's encouraging resistance against those shots being called. What now and Jim Pathak ujpest joins me now. You have been a trump skeptic though a conservative Jim. But you've been writing about just the sort of when you step back and take a scale at look at where we are right now stipulated. This virus is nasty and difficult and the policy challenges are real and the best government in the world would screw up but the overall picture right now is really bad and I feel like there's a little bit of denial about that It is bad. Listen I think this was a poor response especially given the fact that people like to call this a black swan but the black swan has appeared like every few years since about two thousand. Five's I don't have a lot of patience for the we never saw this coming. How how did we know? Clearly our response could be better. I think every voter in America every citizen should expect a lot more from their government. But sort of here we are. What are we going to do going forward? I'm sure there's going to be some sort of commission in the future but what we do right now and the last thing the president should be doing is telling people like resist your governors. Don't listen to your governors but we need is this reopening process to go as smoothly as possible. So we don't have. We don't have a second wave of outbreaks and that this terrible economy right now doesn't last beyond June because if we get a second wave of outbreaks that we're going to have twenty five percent unemployment in the third quarter and twenty five percent unemployment in the fourth quarter that can be avoided but we need to do things now. This is the part of this. That has been so maddening to me. From the moment from late February the incentives should be aligned. The incentive for the president should be to manage this as well as possible so that as few people get sick as people die and the economy rebounds as quickly as possible. If you do a good job you should be rewarded by voters and likewise if you do a bad job and yet instead it's being managed to get through the next news cycle to plausibly. Be Able to blame the governor of Michigan for the lockdown in your state. But that's not good. That's very short sighted strategy. You can't worry about the news cycle. You sort of have to accept that you're going to go through a period here where the where. The market's going to be down by a lot that the economy is going to be down by a lot. That unemployment is going to go up and you need to get through this period so we can get control this virus and then prepare for the recovery. Prepare for when the shutdown is over. And hopefully get a sharp rebound. But you don't have that initial pain. They're not going to gain on the other end and it's going to be. I mean the election the least of it. But you know he won't get reelected if we have a third quarter where the economy's out another fifty percent annualized right because you're you're saying here and I think this is really important right. Is that if you screw up the quote unquote reopening. If you promise a reopening people go back to work and then in places that do this you see massive outbreaks and they are forced to essentially shuttering retreat. I've already seen Wall Street. Desperately wants to bid up prices because they definitely wants to believe there's a v. Shape here but they will get spooked like crazy if that happens and you will see a second crash Chris. Every forecast has the economy following it. Oh by a huge amount now but then roaring back in the you know the third quarter and fourth quarter assumes that we've sort of seen the worst of it at this point that that there won't be a second wave if that happens all bets are off. What do you think about this? Sort of the weird interplay between the sort of the fact on one day he. He announces a plan. The plan itself is defensible. The eighteen page plan phase one face to face three delegates states authorities and the next day is sort of inciting protests against people that are essentially more or less falling the plan that his own government laid out the day before so now so not only did he follow that plan but then they also it'd be a lot of planets sort of vacation spots that are redefining things so you really are counting on these governors. Do a fantastic job. Never probably never going to have them on testing. We want so we have to make sure that we have them on a social distancing that they open reopen places and logical matter so they need to ace it and if they do well then the president will do well. But you have to. You cannot worry about what's happening in the next forty six hours. Orders Protests in Michigan or Minnesota. You may love those people may be wearing your trump hats but you need to be thinking about what's going to happen in August September October November. You you're someone who pays a lot of attention to macroeconomic trends to both fiscal monetary policy. I think you and I have sort of different views on some of that stuff but but I think that you you very clearly WanNa make sure as I do. My big fear is this becomes a ripple effect that then like a snowball rolling. A mountain gathers a kind of steam as an economic contraction that when the virus goes away. Can't be unwound right. What what do you see as the crucial steps to make sure we don't end up with that and I think by far crucial stop is trying to keep things sort of intact. Yes you want people to have money so they can pay their bills and pay their rent. We make sure there's an economy to come back to which is why this whole small business support has been so important. It's gotten off to a slow start. They ran through the SBA so ended up being a little. Bit more bureaucratic. They should've they should've allotted three four five times as much money from the very beginning. So now it's now their money and they have to pass new bill. But now there's debate between Democrats or Republicans that hunk particularly of the economic. Spor plan really needs to work. Well it needs to start working better and it needs to start working better immediately because you had to continue disintegration of American business particularly small business companies five hundred employees or less then. I think you really are looking toward a very long miserable recovery. You may not technically qualifies depression for sure. GonNa feel like it. Keeping those folks in business and afloat is K. Jim Pathak UCA's similarly always make sure thank you very much. Thank you Chris Hayes. Joining me now for more on the president's attempt to pass the blame onto the state Democratic Congresswoman Paul of Washington and congresswoman. You.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Good evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes the. Us has had among the worst most catastrophic responses the kroner bias among pure nations and that is in large part because the president has failed at every turn and the result is unprecedented illness and misery and death in this country and that doesn't include the economic devastation. That has been this president sole focus from the beginning as he attempts to save his own political future. That means the toll of this virus becomes more and more clear every single day and can't be happy talked away. President trump now needs to find someone to blame for the crisis that he helped bring about. That's what today has been all about for the president a day after telling nations governors. You're going to call your own shots. He tweeted the states. Have to step up their testing as the Washington Post reports. Trump's the buck stops with the state's posture is largely designed to shield himself from blame. Should there be new outbreaks after states reopen or for other problems according several current and former senior administration officials involved in response. Think about that. They're designing it around. Blame shifting all along trump has wanted to have it both ways. He wants credit for anything. That goes well even for things that don't really ever happen. Like the almost not existed drive through testing and Walmart and target parking lots. We were promised that he wants to make sure the blame sticks to anyone but himself a Susan Glasser put in the New Yorker ultimate power and no responsibility in a press conference today. New York governor. Andrew Cuomo summed up the president's cowardly. Were here as backup except when we can take credit. Mantra this is mayhem. We need a coordinated approach between the federal government and the states. All he's doing is walking.
Trump defends decision to shutter NSC pandemic office
"President trump staged a pageant in the Rose Garden and apparently successful attempt to pump up the stock market while he also lied about where things stand. Nancy Pelosi House Speaker hammered out a deal with treasury secretary. Steve mnuchin on a corona virus aid package that includes among other things free testing and paid. Emergency leave this afternoon. The president paraded out to inform. Americans takes no responsibility for the manifest documented repeated failures in the federal government. Slow response to deal with and prepare for the worst global pandemic in probably one hundred years Dr Fouled. She said earlier this week that the lag intesting was in fact a failing. Do you take responsibility for that. No I don't take responsibility at all because we were given a a a set of circumstances and we were given rules regulations and specifications from a different time. You said that you don't take responsibility. But you did disband. The White House pandemic office and officials that were working in that office left this administration abruptly. So what responsibility do you take to that? And the officials that worked in that office said that you that the White House lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that? Well I just think it's a nasty question because what we've done is And Tony had said numerous times that we've saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say me I didn't do it point of fact he did do it. His White House did it. Trump also to set of probably necessary measures to cut regulatory obstacles to get up to capacity but as of today the. Us still has only eighteen. Thousand people total. Now that's quite a bit up almost doubled from where we were last night but we are still way way way behind almost every other comparable nation that regard
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Because of an emergency the White House Congresswoman Katie was at that hearing today. We'll talk about what happened next. We aren't the ones that called the alarm being raised about this pandemic as fake news that came out of the president of the United States about and no gas lighting is a high that House Oversight Committee held a hearing today on the federal response to Corona virus. Were Dr Anthony. Fauci the head of the National Institute Allergy and Infectious Diseases. Delivered a serious warning. The worst of the pandemic is yet to come. The testimony however was cut short ending an hour and a half earlier than planned. Because president trump summoned the witnesses to what chairwoman Carolyn Maloney called equal emergency meeting at the White House or the members of that committee who has denied her opportunity to question. America's top public health officials Congressman Katie. Puerto of California. Who JOINS ME? Now I let me just start on that. Do you have a clear understanding of what happened this morning? And why that Oversight Committee hearing was cut short. We were simply told that there was a meeting that they were required to attend at the White House. We do understand that the witnesses will be present again tomorrow They believe eleven. Am for the hearing to continue. And I'm looking forward to questioning them and continuing to press them on the administration's response out that type two concerns. One of them has to do with what we're just speaking out in previous segment about cost in a letter that you wrote to Alexander among others it is critical that any cost barrier limits cove in nineteen diagnostics testing be removed so those who may be infected not forgo testing because of cost concerns. Is there currently any national policy or mandate that says anyone who is tested can do it for free? I'm really glad you're asking about this. Because this is exactly what I'm going to be tackling with the witnesses tomorrow at the hearing so I don't think I've known for tipping my hand to the witnesses but I really want to. I really want them to get this answer right when I put them to them tomorrow. At the hearing there is an existing regulation already in. Us Law that provides during a public health emergency that the CDC can pay for treatment examination and testing all of those things. And so that's that's already in our Federal Regulations. That's already one of the tools that has been at the disposal of the Department of Health and Human Services and the CDC this entire time. So I'm going to call them tomorrow publicly to make sure that testing and treatment is free and the insurers pay their portion but the American families are not left that no American is left paying out of pocket or deterred from getting testing or treatment because of cost barriers. We have been trying in our own reporting and I know other sort of crackdown. What has happened with testing and the bottlenecks in it and the lack of capacity. I know it's a concern you have do. You have a clear idea. Is there. Good communication with the White House. About what exactly the precise status of it is and what the obstacles to scaling up our. There's actually been a real gap between what we here at these. Where have now become weekly coronavirus briefings and then what we hear when we go home and talk to families and constituents. I'll I had a telephone call this week. A conference call with hospitals in my area They were all expressing that they don't necessarily have access to testing if they are sending testing in. It's taking days and days to get responses One of the things that were exploring is there's a CRA multiple failures in this testing process. One of them is not enough. Swab kits not enough kits disseminated to the right locations in quickly enough but one of the things that we do potentially have at. Our disposal is a lot of our research. Labs use the same equipment to do testing that is currently used in the clinical healthcare setting. So it may be possible to use some of those research laboratories at universities for example to do some of the clinical testing but there's a process and some administrative barriers to getting through that. And so I'm interested in continuing to explore. How can we bring existing resources to bear on this problem quickly? Final question for you. You're you're a member of the Democratic Caucus. It appears that some kind of stimulus package is going to be unveiled tomorrow by Democratic leadership. That's the indication we have. You have a sense of that or do you. At least have your principles and priorities from what you want to see out of a package tomorrow. Absolutely I'm going to be looking for something that's going to be putting families first. That's going to be prioritizing public health commitments. The House already passed a bill last week. Eight point three billion. Those were the things that Dr Chee in particular who I think has been the most reliable Administration official in terms of understanding really the science behind. This and what we can do to save lives. We already did that last week this week. We're looking to focus on understanding and protecting families who may be. I'm not able to get meals Dealing with transportation or school closures. Trying to make sure that we're putting families I in this. This is not the time to be. The stock market will stabilize when families are stabilized. When health conditions stabilize the market will respond. So I'm disappointed that we have a president who thinking more about the interests of special interests and big corporations that he is about the healthcare and life and death situation of American families Congresswoman Katie Porter of California as always. Thank you so much just ahead what we learn when Bernie..
Are we doing enough to prevent the spread of COVID-19?
"Joined by. Dr Ezekiel Emanuel former Obama. White House Health Policy Advisor. He's Vice Provost Global Initiatives University of Pennsylvania and Dr Peter Hotels Dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine Doctor Manual. When we start with you. Where do you see us right now? Are we doing enough in terms of large scale social disruption and changes to slow the transmission of this epidemic? So first of all. I've been saying for several weeks now that it's going to get worse before it gets better. Parsley it's GonNa get worse because we have testing. That's just going to show us how prevalent the illness is. It's also getting worse because we know we have more community acquired infections as I mentioned to someone today. You know one week ago. We weren't even talking about new Rochelle and now new. Rochelle is a major topic in New York. And that's a lockdown and if we focus on new Rochelle without thinking about all the other places that this virus is maybe Washington. Dc maybe the suburbs of Baltimore. Who knows where the problem is? We need a more systematic less uneven response. That has to be pretty uniform. Because just 'cause we're seeing it new Rochelle doesn't mean Rochelle's the only place in New York that Scott and that response does have to include things like much more prevalent testing so we really have a handle on who's got it and who doesn't and a really good model is South Korea if you look at their trends you can see that. They're beginning to bend in South Korea. We also do need to inform people. We use the term social distancing like everyone knows what it means. It's not immediately obvious to people what that entails and how much you need to be separate from people explain to what should people know about but a large part of it. You people have come up with all these numbers no more than one hundred people to meet no more. The issue is density. How close are you to people? How easy is it for the droplets to spread? How much are you sort of packed in light sardines or not and that real? I mean that's a physical thing That is really important and I do think we probably need to educate people to minimize the. They're our contact and to stay home more. You can go out where there's no one else if you're going walking in the woods or something or going to a place where there are other people But I do think Restricting how we move around is going to be important I will note that not every but most of the Ivy League schools now for example colleges mine included. We're going online. The second half of the semester is all going to be online. Students aren't going to be in. Dormitories accepts students. That can go back to their home country and still complete the semester. So you are seeing a lot of action. But it's not concerted and that's what it's not systematic and that's what's bothering me Dr Hotels. We've been checking with you throughout the unfolding of the goal pandemic and I'm curious. Are we learning more about the virus itself about the basics about the transmission rate? Which seems to be maybe lower than at first. We thought the fatality rate the incubation period. Where is our knowledge right now about this so the transmission rate still seems to be? Pretty High Dr Fao. She mentioned. It's probably a significantly higher than the influenza as well as the mortality rate. But the you know just to echo and reinforce some of the things zeke Doctor Emmanuel was was saying we've learned a few things from a recent analysis. My colleague Mark Lipchitz sit at Harvard School of Public Health Chan School of Public Health together with a student a doctoral student. Ruan Lee didn't analysis of the Chinese cities in terms of how severe the epidemic is with the extreme example being Wuhan rare nine thousand people wound up in and severely ill with two thousand in the ICU versus city. Like Long Joe where there was only twenty a big difference right and it looked like it's primarily to do to how quickly you got on top of things after sustained community transmission started. So they let it go for six weeks. Before they implemented aggressive control and testing whereas in Guangzhou were the only at twenty cases one week. What's the lesson learned from the United States We're now about three weeks into this in terms of sustained community transmission. We had our first case of community transmission around the end of April so subtract a week before then. So we're getting to the point where because we're not doing adequate diagnostic testing and implementing those very important control measures. That seek pointed out. We're in a situation. Where we could risk being closer to Wuhan and Guangzhou and and we do we. We can't be there so now is a very critical period over the next couple of weeks where we have to be very aggressive about closing down major venues. We just this Houston. Today with the Rodeo was a tough decision but was the right decision that we're going to have to do this all over the country right now and the reason is this because if we miss that opportunity we then have. Our new problem becomes surge capacity hospitals. Where we're not gonNA have enough beds. We're not GONNA have enough into ventilators. We don't want to go in that direction. So now's now czar. Big Schnauzer going to be our last chance. We've already missed that in over the last few weeks. Can I reemphasize something? Peter says which is so in the entire United States. We have about eight hundred thousand hospital beds a little under eight hundred thousand hospital beds. In the entire United States we have under seventy thousand adult intensive care unit. Beds we have about sixty five thousand ventilators with the strategic supply. I've heard that it goes up slightly under one hundred thousand. That's our maximum capacity in the country at the moment if you imagine that even two percent of the population gets the corona virus and we have about six percent who are seriously. Ill GonNa need a respirator. We've exhausted all that supply. Just for those patients. Forget the heart attack patients. Forget the patients who need it for any other reason and I think what Peter said is exactly right we probably have missed two or three turns over the last few weeks where we could have gotten things down and just focusing on the hot spots. Seattle New Rochelle. I think is not. We need a much more systematic countrywide approach so that we don't overwhelm the healthcare system. Which already you know doesn't have that much search capacity in it. Dr Hotels Final Point to you for people that are watching this I. I've struggled with this for the last three weeks right. Communicating in a way that does not induce catastrophe or panic but also is clear eyed about the risks. And I do think it's worth just going back to the distinction between your individual risk you random American one of three hundred thirty million that you will get very sick and need to be hospitalized or may as life threatening illnesses that individual risk for any given random person is probably low in the grand scheme of things and this systemic risk to the society and to the healthcare system which is extremely high at this moment. Is that a fair way of phrasing. It yeah absolutely and also remember. It's it's all about communicating. What our top priorities are in. This is what I've been disappointed about. We've lost a lot of time because of a blanket statements that are not backed by data saying this is contained. This is this is the cold. This is the flu when in fact we know that there are specific groups that are at high risk including older older individuals those with underlying disabilities and our healthcare workers. And so what I've been looking for is at the White House. Press briefings to say. Look these are four. Bit Concerns Right. These are three or four populations That were concerned about This is a why we need to get on top of this very quickly. And here's what we're doing about it and and historically the American people have responded very well to this They understood this three. Bola Zeka as we say. This is not our first Rodeo so so we know how to respond and we just need that clear kind of concise messaging right now. All right. Just had one thing to Chris. Point which is we also do know the ass for any individual. The risk is low except we do know that there are certain people and Peter Emphasize of those who are over sixty or sixty five those who have chronic illness. They are at high risk and what we have done in. This country is aggregate them in nursing homes. Those are most vulnerable people people in nursing and we really have to social distance. There reduced the number of visitors. Probably two zero. Make sure that people are counting up and taking a donning protective equipment so that we don't have that Patriot play just explode with corona virus like it did in Seattle because almost every one of them is really on the verge just like the cruise ships. Good Point -portant point Zeki Manual. Dr Peter Hotels. Thank you
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Affecting behavior at the polls the record-breaking number from Super Tuesday next a lot of good news on turn out from last night's primaries and really in the whole contest. We've had up to this moment. So far turnout was up over two thousand sixteen in all but one of the fourteen states have voted yesterday though to still too early to tell in California because they are still counting. The votes turnout was also up for the previous for a contest by varying degrees Iowa New Hampshire Nevada and South Carolina. But last night. We saw record breaking numbers in Virginia. Turnout was nearly double what it was in two thousand sixteen and even surpassed two thousand eight South Carolina. New Hampshire also beat the previous cycles so we should know there's population group growth for all those states as well and part of the turnout. Surge is due to reform the Democratic Party. Four states switched over from holding caucuses two primaries this year and so they saw not surprisingly the turnout explode in Colorado participation seven times higher than in two thousand sixteen Washington Post writes that part of this spike could be tracked to quote antipathy towards President Trump. That continues to galvanize. Suburban moderates to get engaged in democratic politics. Washington Post models suggested that Biden won nearly sixty percent of voters who sat out the two thousand sixteen primary but voted yesterday. The Biden possibly receive nearly ninety percent of Hurley Clinton's twenty sixteen voters but this race is far from over. We'll talk with the landscape. The rest of what is still a very very active contest. Next Hey it's MSNBC's Chris as this week on my podcast. Why is this happening? I'll be talking with. Ns kanter an NBA star. Who has been exiled from his native Turkey due to his religious beliefs. The Turkish government sent police in my house in Turkey and they took every electronics away phones. Away computers away laptops away. They're rated the whole house and took chunks away. They wanted to see if I am still in contact with my family or not. That's this week. I'm why is this happening? Search wise is happening. Wherever you're listening right now and subscribe always.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Corona viruses spread every nation has faced policies along a spectrum from containment to mitigation containment aims to identify isolate. The viruses stop it spread when it first appears in a country with the hope that maybe you could just kind of snuff out eventually. Though what's happened in country after country the virus gets out among the population and then governments are forced to move to mitigation approaches. The problem is that mitigation is just incredibly disruptive Bo socially and economically just last week a senior official at the Centers for Disease Control Deck. Dr Nancy Massoni warned that as the virus spreads which was inevitable mitigation efforts are going to be implemented the disruption to everyday life might be severe. But here's the thing. These mitigation efforts are necessarily disruptive. You have to start doing these. Big Societal things means of slowing transmission. And I don't want to talk to three people who know how to deal with this kind of thing are thinking about how to New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio currently trying to contain the corona virus city congresswoman. Donna Shalala Florida who served as secretary of Health and Human Services under president. Bill Clinton and Dr. Pierre Hotel has back on the program professor and Dean of Baylor College of Medicine's National School of Tropical Medicine. Mr Mayor let me begin with you. We know that there have been some cases in the New York area. There's reports of New York City teacher who travelled to Italy who may be showing symptoms. How how were you thinking about? What steps you're taking at. The city level containment exactly is the strategy look. We you're still thinking of containment. Oh absolutely because the the the sad reality. That's going to be the history. This is the United States. Government had focused on decentralized approach getting testing out early. We would be an entirely different reality. That could have been done weeks ago but the fact of New York City now finally has independent testing capacity. As of Monday means we can aggressively go out. Identify potential cases. We're ruling out the vast majority when we test the ones that we find. We are able to take them and contain them meaning isolate them and stay at least for now a head of the situation so. I think if you take a muscular approach and we have a huge public health apparatus and we now in New York City guarantee people healthcare regardless of ability to pay regardless of documentation status. So we've got a very open environment. We're inviting people in daycare. That gives us the best chance. We actually might stay ahead of this for a period of time congresswoman you. Hhs and we're starting to see sort of early. Signs part of the problem policymakers have faced. Is that taking these kind of big mitigation. Efforts is is disrupted right. You cancel conferences or you get rid of corporate travel or you ask people to work from home today. We saw in the state of Washington. They're asking for that. And policymakers are reticent to do that because it disrupts people's lives how. How should we be thinking about that? Balance and trade off. Well that is a balance in. It's a judgment call but first of all we have to have our testing apparatus in place Look we have world class physicians scientists at the CDC at the FDA at the NIH that are working on this in addition with the vice president in charge of. We were briefed today. I have some hope that the government is starting to come together now. I don't think it's useful for us to just beat up the government you know. Fear is virus and we have to be careful in this process. The president was totally undisciplined. They tried to set him straight on the vaccines but he is undisciplined. So we have to move beyond that and the first line of Defense our state and local governments. Luckily New York City has a world class health public health system which has had a lot of experience dealing with AIDS and TB and other infectious diseases. And they're an an Washington state. Which is the epicenter. Now also has a very good health system. We've got to fund them appropriately. The problem here is that we have never funded this country for readiness in public health. We've never put the kind of resources together. So we don't have to add Hockett every time we see a disease and see a new virus and frankly there's another virus coming along. I don't know what its name is but then the next year or two we're going to see it and unless we're ready for it it's going to just be another ad hoc process. Dr Dr Hotels. Where do you a given given the sort of limited testing we've been doing and now we're getting more mass deployment? How is your what is your understanding of where we are right now in the US. Thanks for having me Chris. It's great to be here. You know what we're seeing now is the beginning of evidence of community spread and it's really taking off now in the Seattle area and Washington. Dc and based on that. We've already seen what we can expect. And it's it's not great in for instance in the nursing. Home in Kirkland. We've already seen seven deaths and there may be more to follow so what that's telling us. Is We know from the studies in Wuhan that the mortality rates the death rate among older people over seventy as ten fifteen percent. So you're hearing strange messages. This is just the flu or a mild virus. Certainly if you're over the age of seventy that's not the case. This virus is ripped through the nursing. Home like the angel of death and we have to recognize now that every nursing home in the country is potentially vulnerable including because of our guests tonight Miami and New York City. And we have to get ready for that. So we've got a now strategically place our testing such a way that we're going to protect those individ but we've seen with other populations as well. Our healthcare workers are highly vulnerable again. We saw listen Wuhan. We knew this was coming. So we know our healthcare workers and if they start to go down the whole system falls apart and there are others among taxi. Drivers Uber Drivers highly risk. So I think the message is as we increase the number of kits and I hope that that happens very soon. We're GONNA have to be strategic at least in the beginning how we use them and focus all of our energy on protecting those highly vulnerable populations right now Dr Houghton just as important. I think is sort of important to stress here right because people are worried about the virus. And there's a difference between the Personal Mike Pence d you. The risk is low right now and he's right even Italy Italy's got sixty million people's got five thousand cases right. That's a tiny fraction Italian relation. Right like you compared to car accidents fluids so it's that the individual risk to you watching this right now is is relatively low that changes if you're compromising it's the systemic risk right. I mean the the capacity of public health hospitals in New York City. The number ventilators you have I mean. Is that how you are thinking about it as mayor? Yeah I mean. Look when you're responsible for people's health and safety you actually start with the individual to be fair so for those older folks for those folks who are compromise. Our job is to try and see if we can get to them in time to help them right to identify or protect them in whatever way we can but your bigger point is exactly right. The irony here is I mean for the vast majority of people. Even if they contracted it's not going to be a seismic experience it is the dislocation of the whole society of the economy the way it knocks out our ability to do a lot of other things. We need to look the best defensive offense in this case I think which is to again very as much as humanly possible contain and I understand. There are limits to that ultimate ultimately as much as possible test contain. Get the measures out there to try and help people in need the shocking thing here. I think this is. This is the harbinger of things to come in a globalised world. New Strains of bacteria resistant strains new diseases emerging and a healthcare system. That's antiquated we're gonNA see more this. If ever there was an advertisement for Medicare for all. We're seeing it right now with the corona virus. And Look we've done as I said we're guaranteeing healthcare right now in New York City. We're saying whoever YOU ARE REGARDLESS OF BILL. Pay You get a permanent here. Dr. We have a way to help you with our public hospitals and clinics. This has to be our future or these kind of things will run wild part. You talked Congressman about about some of the holes in the public health system in the US. Are you concerned about the ways in which say lack of public of lack of sick days or people's fears about attest there's a Miami man I think who tested and got a huge bill might impact the way that we can comprehensively deal with us? He got a huge bill because he had a junk. Healthcare plan which All of us have jetted to over the last few months. We've just passed a bill a few hours ago for eight billion dollars. That's a down payment on putting together of the systems that we need To to deal with this virus. And that's just a down payment. We know that we have to glue the healthcare system together and make deep investments in state and local health systems and give everyone access. If a doctor says you ought to go get a test. You ought to be able to get that test. The commercial testing system has now been employed so that we don't have to depend just on the academic health centers and the state testing systems We're going to use the commercial systems. And they're already gearing up to make sure that we have tests available for those who need those tests but targeting the populations that are vulnerable is going to be critical in the days and weeks ahead. Dr Hotels you've talked about some of the lessons we've learned from Wuhan. Which is the epicenter of the outbreak? And one I wanted to talk about how to make evaluations government evaluations evaluations on big policy. Decisions like closing schools from Japan did. Italy announced today is closing schools. Iraqi Kurdistan is closing Friday prayers in mosques. What's the tipping point? How do you make that decision from an epidemiological standpoint? Well I think we're gonNA depend on the level of transmission in the community. We may not be far from that In the Seattle area and we'll have to see how this moves forward in the coming weeks. Remember how this works and we saw it with Zeka in in two thousand sixteen. You know you've got tremendous health. Department New York City Health Department as the mayor points is one of the finest in the world. That's outstanding in Miami a Houston in Harris County outstanding health departments. That's the gold standard. Unfortunately there are a lot of health departments in this country. That don't meet that gold standard. We saw this Zico. There are some especially in some of the smaller towns were Larry's there's almost zero capacity to manage this and handle this. I'm hoping that a good chunk of that whatever. The number is seven eight billion dollars. We'll go the bill. That capacity as the congressman points out. We should have been ready for this before because the next virus is going to come along. We just have vast variability heterogeneity in the ability of our local public health departments to respond. Great Point Mayor Bill Brazo Congresswoman. Donna Shirley Ila Dr Peter Hotels. Thank you all so much head. There's a lot of good news about the turnout on Super Tuesday but it's potentially brutal presidential race runs headlong into Corona Virus. How that could affect the outcome. Stay with us..
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"The United States does not seem to understand what a vaccine is. The failure of the administration's response to Corona virus is making things worse next. It has now been a week. Since the Centers for Disease Control confirmed the first community transmission of Corona virus in the United States that someone getting ill without some known association with a traveller in the affected area. Now here's the CDC web page on Corona Virus. I go to it every day. It is updating once a day it is raw trong says there are nine total deaths from the virus in fact there are now eleven confirmed s got two more today the CDC also says there eighty total cases in the US. The case number is almost certainly higher. In fact John's Hopkins Private University that's Been Monitoring Global Pandemic has compiled data showing that. There are at least one hundred and fifty three cases in the US. I mean she. News is counting one hundred and fifty eight including from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. Why does this matter it matters? Because transparent communication about the scope of the situation is one of the key lessons we have learned from the other places that have experienced the pandemic we here in the. Us are getting this rather late. We had the benefit of learning from the mistakes of the many countries that came before us and the trajectory this virus and there are two things that we have learned or should have learned one you have to be clear honest and transparent about the scope of the virus infection and you need to test to do so. We are failing to do that miserably right now yesterday. Finally nearly a week into his tenure overseeing their sponsor Corona Virus Vice President Mike Pence so the US plans to send out two thousand five hundred testing kids under the week to test up to one point. Five million people. That's a start but it is still going to take too long to get that. Testing passed up and running nationwide and when the test do deploy case numbers. This country will spike. Which will freak people out? They shouldn't be. The whole point is that we do not know how many cases there are because inexplicably. We have not been testing nearly enough now for at least a week and probably longer is the Atlantic put it the official coronas virus. Numbers are wrong and everyone knows it and that is true every expert. I've talked to doctors epidemiologists public health experts. They are tearing their hair out of the fact that we do not know how many cases there are one. Infectious Disease expert writes that after more testing he expects Seattle look like Wuhan China around January first when they are reporting the first cluster of patients with unexplained viral pneumonia Wuhan. Does that sound familiar because that was the epicenter of the outbreak. This is a serious thing. It's not real worthy. Not everyone's going to die. It's a serious thing that needs to be dealt with seriously and right now. The federal government is failing. They are failing to do that. And they appear to be failing for reason. The reason is the person at the top of the federal government does not want to deal with the problem. He very clearly wants it to go away. He said cases are going to go down to zero. He says he's hoping for a miracle. Or maybe it will go way seasonally. He's spent the last week talking about a vaccine which is not the point. The vaccines going to take a year to eighteen months which the president cannot accept. Take a second and listen to this exchange and note that the president of the United States doesn't even understand what a vaccine is let alone. How long it takes develop on really that a vaccine that our table I mean Johnson and Johnson adviser all these great companies a shooting in President vaccine made and start testing a vaccine point. So he's asked. The question is in a lawyer is going to be at the earliest year to year and a half no matter how they treated will begin excited. You.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Evening from New York. I'm Chris Hayes. The race to the Democratic presidential nominee has changed dramatically over the last three days and particularly in the last twenty four hours. It is now effectively a two person race. Only Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders can feasibly earn enough delegates to win the nomination. This clear last night but then two things happened today. That made it even more of a two person race. I Michael Bloomberg dropped out of the race threw his support to Biden and then after missing the fifteen percent delegate threshold in most Super Tuesday states elizabeth campaign manager center an email. The staff this morning saying they are quote disappointed the results and that warm. We'll be going to take time right now to think through the right way to continue this fight. Last night was surprising delegate. Victory for Joe Biden who is expecting Bernie Sanders to win the evening and basically just wanted to survive the night with not too big of a lead for Sanders. Instead it was Biden who won states where he was pulling away behind just a few days ago he won Minnesota and Maine. He Went Massachusetts Elizabeth Warren Home State where she came in Third Biden also managed to pull out a victory Texas which many people were not anticipating exit polls show that late deciding voters broke heavily for Joe Biden. Much of sudden success was powered by people who decided to vote for him right before they cast their votes. And of course that happened following the very intense concerted consolidation of a certain part of the Democratic Party behind Joe Biden. One of the most influential figures in all of South Carolina. Politics Congressman. Jim Clyburn kick it off with a key endorsement right. Before the South Carolina primary last weekend then former candidates people to judge Amy Klobuchar to work all endorse Biden Monday night Joe Biden now according to our estimates has a fifty to delegate lead on Bernie Sanders Today Sanders held a press conference where he talked up his winning California and look forward to the upcoming primaries in states like Michigan Washington. Now Sanders is not out of it for sure but the problem is once you get behind the delegate race with proportional allocation. It's very hard to make up the ground particularly when you look at who is likely to do well in those upcoming state contests with anything. Biden Super Tuesday. Success is a testament to way that black voters older voters and suburban women have been looking for some kind of singular candidate some signal from the party. Some arrived at consensus of how to end the primary and move on the general election and who could best take on trump and the signal. That's been sent from a lot of party elders. Particularly in the last few days is clear and if Bernie Sanders cannot find a way to appeal to a bigger percentage of Democrats outside his existing base the nomination Mike quickly be out of his reach joining me now for more on what we learned last night is Barbara Boxer. She's a former Democratic senator from the state of California now co hosting the Boxer Pad podcast. She has endorsed Vice President. Joe Biden for president. Senator you endorse within the last week right yes. I waited 'til after South Carolina as soon as I saw it. I wrote out a statement. I send it to the Biden campaign. I said here it is use it as you want. I'm for Joe because clearly that timing the timing a lot of people felt right but I don't get why folks who worked with Joe Biden like Joe Biden supported him as I think I've had you on the program clearly few warmly towards him. You have a Lotta respect for the man. Why not do it a month ago or six weeks ago? Why did everyone wait till South Carolina? What did that do to the way that you think of the race? That's such a great question. I was thinking about it because it wasn't an anomaly. For people like me to wait. It also was reflective of voters so many voters who couldn't decide. I think we all wanted to see who could beat. Donald Trump and when we saw South Carolina Coalition. Come you know right to the fore and it was so broad and deep as you said not only African American voters suburban women men you know every age group really remarkable. Turn out for him that was the signal and and everyone just got on board. I think there's huge momentum and I think it took courage for Buddha judge and Bloomberg Hall had the dream you know to set it aside for the good of the country. I WanNa give you an argument that I see people make who are less sold on Joe Biden. Whether for ideological reasons were electable reason. Let's talk about the ladder for a second. Which is basically that. He hasn't been a particularly strong candidate. That the reason there was reticence on many people to get behind him was because people are watching his performance and didn't think it was particularly good. That has not been particularly effective communicator on the trail and that all of those problems still linger despite the consolidation that we've seen the last few days. What do you say to that does not a perfect candidate? I mean he's not slick and he has never been slick I know him for years he goofs up on some words you know that he overcame of terrible stammering stutter. And he's been knocked down in his life and he. I think the metaphor from South Carolina was hearing was before that really pretty well knocked down. Perhaps out the sanders people said it was over and he came back and I think because he's imperfect in a way it makes him more the every man you know the every person we are all flawed the way that Donald Trump and starting to get some reporting about how the trump campaign is thinking about this. Although trump just tweeted this out. So you don't and it's not like reading the tea leaves but you know the recipe for the victory over. Hillary Clinton sort of had three channels one was they were the beneficiary of foreign intelligence services helping them and engaging criminal sabotage to was to paint Hillary Clinton unrelentingly as essentially corrupt insider that she was part of the establishment she was also corrupt and she was self-dealing and the third was to try to divide the left to to sort of take advantage of fissures within the Democratic Coalition after that long primary between Sanders and Clinton. It seems very clear. They're going to run the exact same race against Joe Biden. Why are you confident? It won't work this tough people now know Donald Trump they know about the sixteen thousand lies. They know that he has no compassion. We know that it's all about him. Constantly twenty four seven. And you don't we. We see what's happening with the GOP how they just are puppets they see Russia helping trump. They see trump embracing dictators. We see and all of us see him saying that the constitution says he can do whatever he wants so this has been you know a a successful campaign by him against Hillary by the way she got more popular. But we won't go there but it's also all the things that people I've seen and are very upset about so. I think it's very different. The last point I'd make is you know the American people are smart. They know that trump did not want to see Joe Biden. Get this and he did everything to try and stop him including getting impeached. If I might say and now the people woke up and if it's the biggest turnaround I've ever seen I've been around a long time. I've been an elected life for more than forty years. I've never seen a comeback kid exactly like this one. All right a senator Barbara Boxer. Thank you so much for making time from California and I really appreciate joining me now for more on the sudden momentum swing Mehdi Hassan Columnists intercept. Host of the deconstructed podcast. Many you have your own fears about Joe Biden's electability but I want to talk about Sanders for a second. It's always struck me that the sanders kind of theory is a kind of a interestingly self-testing hypothesis in this way the idea is look were. We know we're running against the democratic establishment. He says that new says terms. We know we have the only way we can do to bring New People in right to make the math work and thus far they have not been able to deliver on that. Promise of new turnout particularly among young younger voters. It's gone up a little bit in the places where we saw the biggest turnout. Busse like Virginia last night. That is where sanders got crushed. What do you make of that? I think you're spot on their Chris and the people I spoke to today all disappointed and they don't quite get it because there is this disconnect between the huge rallies and the enthusiasm both on the ground on online and elsewhere in terms of small donors and yet youth turnout which was supposed to be what the nomination and then defeat. Donald Trump. Get as you said on Tuesday in states that he won and that he lost you turned out without g lower than it was in two thousand sixteen so that is a problem for the sanders campaign going forward. And they're gonNA have to fix that in Michigan for example next week if they're going to pull up another victory in Michigan they did in two thousand sixteen because that is crucial to his strategy. There's a there's a new campaign they put out showing Bernie Sanders of the Barack Obama. Barack Obama brazing which is an entire campaign genre. I mean Bloomberg and all sorts of people run ads like this and Ezra Klein made this point which which I think relates to that he said the work of the present requires convincing legislators in your party to support your gender sometimes. The cost of your political or policy emissions if senators and his team. Don't figure out how to do it. They could very well lose to Biden even if they win they'll be unable to govern meeting how to bring more people into the collision. Do you think that's the main challenge for them? It's not the main challenge but it's definitely a challenge. I think Jim Clyburn says that Bernie. Sanders didn't even reach out to him before South Carolina to try and woo him. I think that's a problem or having said that on the other hand let's be honest. Nothing Bernie Sanders could have said. Would've got amy Klobuchar to endorse Monday. Evening where people so. We've got to be realistic about the charming or as friendly. He fundamentally has an agenda and a policy platform. That's a lot of Democrats are not GONNA sign up for but yes he should reach out more at least at a grassroots level. And I'm glad to see him today. Saying Elizabeth Warren take your time very respectful because he does Need Elizabeth Warren Right now. Desk definitely going into Michigan into other states. I would just briefly respond to Barbara Books earlier. About Joe Biden argument. This is not really about Bernie Sanders. Now Biden's now the front runner. Yes you can hate Bernie all you can think he's a crazy communist. Who caught when an American fine but the reality is if you turn to Joe Biden said what? He's too safe Candida. I think you need to do a lot more soul. Searching more examining this is a candidate. Who's not being vetted really in most of the debates? He's hidden in amongst the ten twelve candidates. He's not being asked about the bankruptcy bill. Never really been probed about the Iraq war and and it's kind of turn around on the wall I don't get. Why Democrats as you pointed out Barbara Books to think that you can just rerun the 2016 playbook a not think that donald trump will rerun his. I mean they tried to run a pro Iraq war Pro Wall Street Establishment Democrat with a history of dubious claims dodgy dealings and dodgy comments about mass incarceration superpredators. Where did that end up? You know we'll still saying insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting different results. So what do you say to people that? Say Look that aside both sort of elect ability and I think an ideological critiques married. Mary together I think it's fair to say to me the strongest you know. What do you think about the people like Kirsten Cinema Right? So she had to win a very tough way race in Arizona very tough race. She won that state sort of against the odds right. She's coming out for Joe Biden..
Bernie Sanders Campaign: We Don’t Want Bloomberg’s Blood Money
"Senator Bernie Sanders campaign manager was asked if he would take Michael Bloomberg's money in the general election and he said quote it's hard no Bernie has said he's going to fund. His presidential campaign was smaller contributions. And I think we can do that now. Last month Bloomberg pledged he would use his vast wealth to help fund whoever wins the Democratic nomination now sanders campaign said they are not interested. Bloomberg camp tells. Nbc News that is fine with them. Quote I don't think it would be prudent to spend on behalf of somebody who did not want the response raises a fascinating question about the means and the ends here. The battle between billionaire cash and Democratic Socialism. Which is just one of the main stories of the twenty twenty primary here to talk more about this is on ungeared at US editor at large at Time magazine author of the book winners. Take all in the recent New York Times op. Ed The billionaire election. I think this question is an interesting one. Actually and I'm not clear. What the correct answer is I kind of understand from the sanders campaign particularly the primary. It would look kind of terrible for the brand Bernie Sanders. But I'm also not clear if that's the correct answer and a sort of optimal sense you know I think you have to add it all comes down as we've heard again and again to this question of whether you think trump is symptomatic disease and I think if you think he's this aberration and he's the entirety of the problem. Then you might embrace any means necessary to get rid of him including taking big money if you think. Our problem is oligarchy. If you problem I think our problem is people like Donald Trump having too much power in American life in a bunch of different ways and that he's one of the people who kind of slipped into a particular luckily lucky position for him. Then you don't WanNa fight fire with fire. And I think I'm sympathetic. To the view that you don't fight a racist sexist oligarchy who cannot read with a racist sexist allegoric who can read and is very smart. You know like I just don't think that actually works and I think the question for all of us in this campaign is. Is there a way because you're right? It is a moral dilemma. Because maybe you're not gonNA registered enough voters if you don't have money maybe there's a money help because a lot of things you can do with a billion dollars in Texas of course but part of the excitement of the sanders campaign but I would also say. The Warren Campaign is the strength of the message that they are something not of this plutocratic age and any dilution of that compromises the central thing that is animating people count compromise the central emotional pull of the campaign since the Bloomberg campaign. Here defend themselves. They would strenuously denied. That he's a racist and sexist. I want to say that on their behalf the I would stop and Frisk them. They're here to check You know they were. Yeah the thing about Bloomberg that has been really interesting to watch. Here is a very complicated tenure here in New York City it was. It was my mayor some part of the time. He's complicated figure many ways and quite when he said he's smart. I mean there. There were tremendously competent. Incredible people in fact in administration in that mayoral administration. Who did really remarkable things? Some of the record here in New York City but it was always open question to me of basically like the the value proposition. Michael Bloomberg was kind of like. What if we can have our own billionaire? I mean people would say this to me like what if we can take on trump with someone who could spend unlimited. What if we can take on trump who also kind of didn't give a hack almost kind of trump and I think he didn't understandable fashion that has been continues to be a very alluring idea to people and again it is possible to fight trumpism in a way that deepens the whole of trumpism and you think Bloomberg represent says yes because the the the sum total of trumpism. Isn't this particular guy. Who's so malevolent and hateful and a White Nash? That's that's one expression. That much deeper tendency has taken right. If you think about setting a precedent where anybody with a few billion. We actually have several people. Yeah many many people who can afford to do a Bloomberg's doing he can afford it more than others. But you've got a bunch of people who there were three billion at this kind of thing. Does every person now who has that money? WanNa do that and as you can see I described it before I was just looking at his his charisma last night. Bloomberg's and it really feels like I described this morning as like. It's like a large piece of cheese at eight a robot. I mean it's just like the complete lack of ability to connect both in performance charismatic way but also an inbound way right like someone who hasn't taken in for me it's people in a really long time and that's because and I'd done reporting on these people part of being a billionaire is no one tells you the truth after a pretty early stage in your life. Let me let me let me rephrase lightly. More charitable way robot which is that. He's not quote typical politician and when he was in New York part of what he was able to do because of his money was to kind of not do the truck and barter and all the glad-handing that you have to do is a politician. New York he just has come to politics in a totally different way because they say some people like precisely that right I mean that was the donald trump sell to his electorate was. No one owns me because I own everyone correct exactly and so he did. Do glad handing of a different kind of billionaire. Kind right right. I used to wonder this. In that Era New York you would have these the arts. Go to the ballet and it will be funded not by the city but by Bloomberg philanthropies while he was the mayor and it now appears he was doing was buying people buying nonprofits buying people who fight for the most vulnerable people who might be his biggest opponents as a guy who's behaved the way he has at work or done stop and Frisk and are now silent or supportive. There's this sort of ongoing question about. I'm very curious to see what he does next in terms of his durability this electric particularly in the wake of him having to kind of defend his record like all the other candidates have to us. It's always great to have you thank you so much still ahead. Could the results of South Carolina be the end for any democratic campaigns? Who's got the money in the staying power to make it through
Strategist Steve Schmidt Discusses Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump
"Do you think that Bernie Sanders is the biggest threat to your president trump? Right now I do think so I would say that the biggest threat to president trump is president trump. What do you mean by that? Well if he's on his game as he was at the state of the Union there's a candidate in the country that can beat them if there is a second choice of than himself it would be Bernie Sanders Bernie. Sanders brings out outside game in a similar fashion. That president trump did in two thousand sixteen interesting moment there with Tim. Scott of South Carolina Senator Bernie Sanders coming off a big win in Nevada. And on Saturday we will come to what is only. Let's remember the second primary of the political season. Let's talk about the state of our politics with us. Now Steve Schmidt a veteran former Republican strategist us since left the Republican Party. But he's here with US tonight. That's all we care about. Let's take them one at a time. Let's start with the Republicans. Start WITH SENATOR. Scott's point the biggest risk to donald trump is donald trump because we just had shannon petty peace with with a straight face as a reporter. Say It's another one of these crises corona virus. That trump didn't start himself. Well Look Tim. Scott is correct. I mean the person that is always created the most powerful for Donald trump politically is is donald trump but since his acquittal by the Senate as he's purging the government of anybody he thinks is disloyal as he is taking his revenge is he is a visceral rating the rule of law in unprecedented fashion. Interfering in criminal cases the Department of Justice his poll numbers are going up and so he is consolidating power at an alarming rate in doing so liberally. Let's talk about the Democrats and as we do. I WanNa play the Clip Bernie. Sanders campaign manager. Came on with Chris Hayes earlier on this network tonight. We'll look at that one of the reasons that I love and fight for Bernie Sanders. There's integrity and honesty. You get with him and what that means is when you ask them a direct question he gives you a direct response comes from his heart from his soul. Tells you exactly what he's thinking right and that means that sometimes you may disagree with his perspective but you know he's he's shooting straight with. He's not playing a political game. So when you ask them about. Hey how about Cuba and the Castro? Oh well he's an authoritarian. He's engaged in human rights abuses however there were some good things that happened in Cuba. We should acknowledge those two. And that's an honest answer and then other people will play political games. And that's why for instance Chris. I think over the course of this campaign. We've benefited from the fact that his stray shooting his integrity. His honesty rises above other people's efforts to try to offer political barbs and try to throw cheap shots in the kitchen sink at him that were tonight and at a CNN town hall and the last hour people to judge just said in effect here. We are as a party. We're talking about Fidel Castro. Indeed and they are and you look at travesty of a debate if you're in the business of wanting to remove Donald Trump from office. The one thing that wasn't talked at all about in that debate was trump or trumpism and so the campaign managers talking about Bernie Sanders Integrity. Is he showing integrity by not releasing his medical records? Is he showing transparency and integrity by not talking about the Price Tag associated with student? Loan Forgiveness Free Pre pre K. daycare for everybody. And there's no price tags on any of this. It's a dishonest progressivism. That's NO DIFFERENT THAN DONALD. Trump's dishonesty talking about the Mexican paid for wall it's all fantasy and so when Bernie Sanders goes out there. He starts talking about well. Here's the good sides of Fidel Castro. I think it's important to understand that there might be a constituency for that in this country but it's a really small one and it's certainly not enough to get you into an electoral college majority to win the White House. And it certainly dooms your chances in Florida. How do you process the fact that tomorrow night? We're going to have seven people on stage. Two of them are billionaires. Two of them look at real double digit poll numbers knowing that money bought those poll numbers not some inner need to have them as our next president. How do we process that well? I think they're two different cases right so first off. Mike Bloomberg was the mayor of New York City for twelve years and by any objective standard. He was one of the most competent successful leaders of large government anywhere in the world over the last quarter century. He was a profoundly successful mayor. I think it's a mistake for Democrats to attack. Somebody like Mike. Bloomberg who grew up in a middle-class circumstance and is a self made man is one of the country's greatest philanthropists and I disagree with him on a number of different issues but if you are invested in progressive causes. It's hard for me to think of anybody who has done more to advance progressivism whether it's on gun issues whether it's on climate then has Mike Bloomberg so the notion that Mike Bloomberg is on that stage somehow illegitimately is not something that I really understand. Tom Steyer has been an activist in American politics. Now for some period of years he has communicated a message. He's gotten the requisite poll numbers to be on the stage. The question will be after the South Carolina primaries. If you have eight moderate Democrats all of whom might have a greater chance of beating Donald Trump and does Bernie Sanders? Will some of those candidates get out of the race to help coalesce support around the strongest? Moderate candidate? Poor the issue right now in the Democratic primaries you cannot make an objective judgement and say Bernie Sanders is going to go down to Donald Trump in the swing states on the basis of poll numbers because the poll numbers. Don't support that in those states. But when you look at Bernie Sanders positions that we should criminalize illegal immigration. That we're going to take health insurance away from one hundred fifty million people who have private health insurance a of other issues the type of rhetoric that you saw him use on sixty minutes talking about Castro. All of these issues come together. In a way that I think objectively with James Carville said is disqualifying for somebody running for president in somebody. Who'S LIKELY TO LOSE TO DONALD TRUMP and I think that's what you're saying. A lot of panic in the democratic electorate in the democratic officeholder class in these days really focused on Steve Schmidt always a pleasure. Thank you for
A Complete List of Trump’s Pardons and Commutations
"Today. Donald Trump continued his full on assault. On the rule of law pardoning and commuting the sentences of several high profile criminals he notably included former Illinois governor. Rod Blagojevich was convicted of trying to sell Barack Obama's Senate seat vacated because he was elected president in exchange for campaign contributions. Begovic had served eight years of a fourteen year prison sentence. You may also remember the governor from the apprentice where he messed up the Harry Potter Challenge and got fired Donald Trump. We'll technically by the apprentice producers today the President Communities Sentence Response Members of the Illinois House Republican delegation released a saying quote. We're disappointed by the president's commutation of Robert Mugabe of federal sentence. Begovic is the face of public corruption in Illinois. And not once has he shown any remorse for his clear undocumented. Record of egregious crimes that undermined the trust placed in him by the voters. Nbc News Correspondent. Tom Winter reminds us are eating. A jury found him guilty of trying to extort the CEO of Children's Memorial Hospital for a donation in exchange for increasing the payments to doctors. Who took care of Specialty Care Kids? Oh but Donald Trump was not done there he also pardoned former New York police department. Commissioner Bernard Kerik pleaded guilty to eight felony charges including tax fraud and lying to White House officials. Carrick was nominated by George W Bush to be the Secretary of Homeland Security before withdrawing that nomination just a week later. The judge gave a longer sentence than agreed to the plea deal saying quote. I think the damage caused by Mr Carrick is in some ways. Immeasurable trump also pardoned bond. Trader Michael Milkin. So guy considered to be the face of insider trading in the nineteen eighty S. Milton was originally charged with ninety eight. Federal counts including racketeering. He pleaded guilty to six felony charges of securities fraud conspiracy. He was sentenced to ten years in prison. He also paid six hundred million dollars in fines and restitution at sentencing. The judge said quote when a man of your power in the financial world repeatedly conspires to violate and violate securities and tax laws in order to achieve more power and wealth for himself and his wealthy clients. A significant president prison term is required in order to deter others others receive clemency from trump today glued former San Francisco Forty niners owner Edward debartolo junior. Who pleaded guilty in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight two concealing an extortion attempt involving the governor of Louisiana David Savvy and the former Bush administration official who was sentenced to a year in prison for lying about his association with Jack? Abramov June grown the owner of a Mental Health Care Company. Who was serving a thirty five year prison sentence for running? A two hundred. Five million dollar Medicare fraud scheme to be clear. This is the president who spent the last six months arguing. He so pose corruption. He had to make sure. Ukrainian president was to by withholding credit grudgingly approved military aid unless you launch fake investigation into the Biden's and route around Kremlin source conspiracy theory tourist findings but somehow this group of liars an extortionist and swindlers is the group of people. Trump felt deserve clemency. Maybe it's just a coincidence. That trump is pardoning these felons as the sentencing yet. Another one of his criminal pals looms earlier today. Trump tweeted about the judge in the trial of his longtime friend and advisor. Roger Stone suggesting stone deserved a new trial. Not long after the judge ruled stone. Sentencing hearing we'll go on that's planned on Thursday. Although she did say Roger. Stone's sentence will not begin until after she rules on his request for a new trial. Trump's interference with the stone cases. Troubled the Federal Judges Association so much that they called an emergency meeting tomorrow to address it and joining me now. For more on the president's pardoning spree. Today's Walter Dellinger. He was formerly formerly the acting. Solicitor General and also the head of the office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice under president. Bill Clinton Mr Dellinger. What do these pardons say to you as somebody who worked in in at high levels in justice in the United States? Well I think the show that we're really at the at the end of being a country that believes in equal justice under law there was no process to see how these crimes and these sentences compared with others who remain in prison. It's the president's own whim when a president acts by Wim and says he did of the Goya Vich. I wanted wife on television that that is an assault on the rule of law. But it goes much deeper than that. This is part of a three pronged assault on low as we know it. It involves threats of criminal prosecution of political opponents. Those investigate you. It involves promises that the president will intervene on behalf of those who commit crimes on his behalf and it. The third leg of this assault is his attack on judges and jurors in cases in which he's involved there is there's a banana republic aspect to it as you said that if you're friends with the president or on his TV show you get a pardon no matter what you've done and if you cross him in any way you might end up being prosecuted and we know that William Bar doesn't seem to be opposed to doing that but they're also does seem to be kind of a sort of Ross statement of power that Donald Trump is saying that if you commit these particular kinds of crimes that are against the Public. Trust that our financial in nature that are about corruption when he himself was impeached for corruption. It almost as sort of I don't know it almost feels like a message about that too about the fact that he's saying no no. I'm going to use of dive into corruption and revel in it. That's a good point Jordan. He treats he treats very high status people as if they're high status is a mitigation of their crops. When in fact it is an exacerbation that makes him so much worse. When you're a privileged person take for example. The fact that he has intervened on behalf of someone who was this got to be the national security adviser and lied about an investigation not just any investigation an investigation into a foreign military powers intervention. Our election. He intervened on behalf of someone who has been a prominent associated with President. Said is Roger Stone Who who committed five categories of lies and engaged in what the first department memo said was a relentless multi year attempt to again and obstruct justice in terms of an investigation into the corruption and the election and then finally the sympathy for someone. Who had the Honora being governor of one of our largest states? And who is thoroughly corrupt? And who sold a position in the United States Senate? Now that's he treats those because high status people as mitigation of their crops. And would it surprise you if the after to the things that Donald Trump does as well when it surprised if he's setting up there's been a lot of questions about whether he might try to part himself like if he's ever found to have committed some crime and that would certainly make himself the biggest part of the mall. I think he would undoubtedly attempt to pardon himself and everyone around him. He certainly let it be known that if a if he's re-elected or or even in the period after he was defeated he is GonNa take care of Of of everyone he knows including himself. I think the courts would reject hisself pardon but you know no presents ever tried that before so we can't be sure and the way in which he he seems to revel in the fact that he could take someone like sheriff. Joe Arpaio a law enforcement officer who is targeting Latinos for harassment and using the power of the police deliberately against a minority group and he pardoned him of criminal contempt of court that the way in which he plays with this. I think Dolly Elliptic who some times on this show referred to the `constitutionalisation of narcissism is what we face in this country. Yeah IT DONALD. Trump wants credit of also doing first step back kinds of criminal justice reform. He wants credit for that. But but do you sense in the pardons that he's doing especially today that the real message here is his own power right that he's essentially saying if you're powerful and you're my friend that is actually how you get a justice not by being somebody who was falsely accused of a crime or got too long of a sentence for having marijuana or something like that. That's why there's absolutely the absolute absence of any sense that the people pardoned held they compared with the culpability and the sentences of the tens and tens of thousands who remain in federal prison. The idea that he can act on on Mir welcome. I think something we've never seen the president before you know. Some people are going to raise the a Bill Clinton's pardon of financier and fugitive Bark Rich. And that was the worst thing. Bill Clinton did in eight years and an office is unjustified pardon but Donald Trump is taking it to a very different level where he's using the levers of the of the power of his office in order to corrupt law threatening opponents rewarding those who would commit crimes on his behalf going after judges and jurors in. I don't know where we go from here. I think we two thousand former prosecutors not just signed a letter but perhaps to think about blocking the willing to be arrested blocking the entrance of the Justice Department out. You have to use your imagination where we go from here Walter Dellinger. Thank you very much really appreciate your time and joining me now. For more. On the president's pardoning Spree Matthew Miller former chief spokesperson for the Department of Justice who's down MSNBC Justice analyst and Betsy Woodruff Swan Politics reporter at the daily beast and she's also an MSNBC contributor. So let's talk about sort of where where he could go from here and where and what it means and I'll start with where he could go from here. Betsy because is there any reporting on how much more of this because it does appear that there is a pattern? Somebody is either you know his friend or was on the apprentice goes on Fox News and pleads for his help he immediately responds to his friends and gives them a pardon. Who's who might be next on the list. I spent the afternoon talking to people who identify or describe themselves as allies of Roger Stone and they said that they saw the spate of clemencies that came down today as very comforting to them. Because they believe it's a signal. The President is sending that Roger. Stone may be next in line for this type of executive action. I thought your use of the phrase Banana Republic was really interesting because a federal judge. Us that exact same phrase in a transcript that was recently released from a closed door hearing regarding the investigation. That's now closed into Andrew McCabe and the judge literally said that the fact that trump was tweeting about McCabe so often the fact that he appeared to be interfering in that process created the appearance of a Banana Republic. So the thing to keep an eye on both the president of course granting clemency to people who he views as his political allies in part because he sees them on Fox News and the inverse of that which is the president encouraging DOJ to weaponize itself against people who he sees as his foes. And I'm glad also that Mister Diligent Joe Arpaio because they're also sort of symbolic arden's of people who are hurting the People Donald Trump's base wants to see hurt.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Have you guys here. The New Hampshire polling it has been quite fluid actually so clearly. There was a big change for people to judge. It looks like that sort of bump has but it doesn't strike me as a fairly dynamic race right now. Oh I think it's very dynamic and I think that this is going to be a test of the campaigns Brown Games if you've built that infrastructure and I'm talking a year ago beginning to hire those organize open the offices and tried to recruit volunteer. So then you're building your movement. That's the tests that we're going to see tomorrow and I think that when you have nearly half of the folks in the estate undecided I mean our folks in this room really undecided a lot of a lot of good good candidates right. It's better than not having any choices so I think if you like like someone get behind that person work for that person. Don't let it be a self fulfilling prophecy where we're afraid to pick so we don't pick and on my thing. We all have to participate. Thanks sorry the fluidity of the polls too not. Just judging Amy Klobuchar I think it is so surprising in so many ways in Iowa I would talk to. Voters would bring him her name more often than we ever heard nationally and certainly gently more than we see reflected and national polls but I was at an event with her earlier today and there are a handful of undecided. People there but a handful of people who said you know this one speech is what put me over the edge foreclosure chart. Her team feels very good about the fact that she's been hitting the airwaves during impeachment. More than any other senator who's also running for president. She ended another event tonight at nine thirty PM. Because she's like if I'm GONNA be awake I should be talking to voters and it's really fascinating to see what happens with her and there are a lot of independence. Obviously in New Hampshire. That could that could make a big difference. Bernie Sanders of the front runner in in New Hampshire according to the polling averages. He's becoming the front runner nationally. I think victory could make him the clear front runner national especially given the way Joe Biden as hemorrhaging support court. The Biden situation to me seems like the big question story right now and it's related to the Bloomberg Situation Right. Like part of what is very weird about this race at this moment. Is it usually at this race. It's you know who's running and they're on the campaign trail together and it's a winnowing effect. And here that's happened but then this things like crept up on the horizon right. which is someone who spent three hundred twenty million dollars? It's about twenty nine million per point of polling. I think someone calculated affiliated today who is now third and Quinnipiac and this was really striking to me. This is a black support for Democratic candidates before and after Iowa Free Iowa Biden forty nine percent center seventeen Bloomberg Seven Post Iowa Biden twenty seven. That's a loss of twenty two points sanders. Nineteen and Bloomberg twenty two. He is freezing in some ways. The grace from outside of the actual arena of competing in these states. And this is why. It's so dangerous for Joe Biden because he's hemorrhaging support in two of his strongest areas right now African American voters who have held him up nationally as a front runner consistently throughout the last eight or nine months and the issue of electability. He's crashed about seventeen points in two weeks on the issue of electability the single biggest beneficiary on both fronts Mike Bloomberg I mean the Biden people make totally a very legitimate argument right following. We shouldn't be judging the viability. Any of these folks who are running for the Democratic nomination after two contests in two states. That just aren't you know. Don't they're great states but they don't represent what the Democratic primary looks like nationally. The problem though is like this electability argument. They're making so long ends up being this kind of self. Fulfilling prophecy came up against the order of the states. I agree with their the argument. That the order of the states. Either you go on the same day but you just need a more representative sample of the Democratic primary electorate so we can get an accurate sense of what people think so so. I think that they're right on that. The problem is they started with the electability argument. Had they not gone with that argument right. Have they gone with this. These are my messages for the constituencies as that will build the coalition. Then I think they would have been in a better position now because they would be like well. New Hampshire and Iowa are one thing but rare building that coalition that begins in South Carolina and Nevada. And even even if it's not like it is an apples to apples. It isn't the case that winning twenty five percent I mean you're the most electable either in the Democratic primary or in the national but electability itself. Is this like weird invoked squishy concept that has that say well. I'm the person who can win win than it had been. Don't do how are you you making that argument one. How are voters making that argument? How do they define what it takes to be Donald Trump? I ask people all the time whenever I'm talking to voters and a lot of people sort of stare back at me and they have to think about it because because they're like well I don't really know I know that my top priority is replacing Donald trump but Joe Biden to your point has been making this argument the entire time about Donald Trump and why he is the person person best positioned to beat him. But he's selling himself as the product he's not telling anything around him and himself is. The product is no longer as appealing to folks as it was last last year at this time or earlier in the cycle and this by the way is a critical question for Pete. Buddha can translate a a very strong delegate victory in Iowa and a very very strong finish in New Hampshire to the kind of broad coalition. You need to win a primary. He is sort all the way from zero percent to four percent with block voters in the last two weeks since winning Iowa. That's not it. No he notes the show and also more supply gets the point. That plus was just making because really interesting which is like you can hang around at ten or eleven or twelve thirteen percent. You can't win the nomination right. And so at a certain point it really becomes a question of how many people are how long people will stay in the race at that level and for how long and what that does the dynamics damage the race. Why are you smiling? Because there's a couple come to mind that I'm like they could drop out today and it will be fine and I think that they're taking taking some of the attention oxygen from candidates who could benefit from it. So that's why I was thinking of names. They were like ticking. Through this point. One scenario that some democratic establishment figures are starting to freak out about is that Bernie centers rapidly consolidated in the progressive vote right and on the moderate moderate. And you have. Joe Biden people to Judge Mike Bloomberg all private citizens right now. None of them appear likely to leave the race anytime soon to the extent that you believe in the lanes theory and I know it's it's not a perfect theory. Yeah this could be a scenario Bernie. Sanders walks away with it. If these other candidates stay in a crowded field I mean that was part of part of that lesson. They're the top line is the way the delegates are apportioned. Yeah once you accrue a delegate lead it is hard to get it back Franklin energy. That is not exactly from live team today. You know what they're doing in California holding events with voters young voters matter. They know California matters the delegate map and they are not just focused on New Hampshire whether are doing all these different strategies and who else is spending a lot of money in California Mike Bloomberg because he's playing a delegate game and nothing else part of the issue too right is that these two people Bloomberg and Sanders are the people who both through diametrically opposed means. Have the finances to do this. I mean it's not like I'm sure. Amy Amy Klobuchar would be loves vans. The reason those two are playing there is because sanders raised thirty five dollars last month and Michael Bloomberg could a billion dollars father's pocketed could you notice and that's the question for all these. Are they running out of money. What does it mean when they're not fundraising as much as they can? Whether it's online or through other means and someone like Joe Biden read. The question is have you maxed out those donors. You've already dipped into cannot give to you anymore. This is why I think one of the campaigns that I've been focused on very intently. That folks are sort of missing in this conversation is Elizabeth Warren. And the reason why is because she's not taking money from those corporate donors she's just using individual donors so she's she's not as strong as a Bernie Sanders but she's definitely in their additionally half of her support. Is Hillary folks half her support is burning. Folks that's really interesting when you're out the lanes theory and the person who can attract people from both sides why she's talking about the unity message. She's hitching herself in the closing stages as a rare candidate maybe the only one who can unite the progressive faction and and the moderate faction and polls do show that the number one second choice for a lot of voters. The question for her is if she can't win New Hampshire. Where can she win this neighboring state to her and the big question for also ends that being that that grassroots fundraising at engine? Going to say look. We gotta go Nevada and South Carolina and get to Super Tuesday and see what what happens. There that's looming on. Everyone's mind Serena elaina Maxwell Alexi McCain and he'll that was great thank you..
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Exactly twelve years ago. I was here in Manchester New Hampshire covering the Democratic primary that year. Barack Obama just pulled off this improbable win. Iowa was appalling. Head ahead in New Hampshire and the conventional wisdom when I was here right right before that election was that he would win New Hampshire and then cruised the nomination. That didn't happen. Hillary Clinton shocked everyone with an upset victory. And that set off this long hard fought delegate only get slog between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton one of the big secret weapons in that fight was Barack Obama's campaign manager a guy named David plouffe plus focused on exploiting the delegate math rules to accrue the kind of lead that ultimately de Broc of on the nominee nomination that year for instance ahead of Super Tuesday rather than fight eight to become the nominal winner in a place like California where the candidates would divvy up delegates between them Obama Instead Campaign States Idaho and Utah pulled up these decisive wind. Can't Barack Obama handily won all but a single Super Tuesday caucus one more than half these primaries. He raked in more delegates that he would have fighting for headline win in in a place like California ball seating smaller contests this pattern of competing for delegate rich winds proved very successful ultimately. It's what one Barack Obama the Democratic the party nomination two thousand and that strategy continued in the general election. David Plot suggested going for the state of Virginia a state that had not gone for a Democrat since Lyndon B Johnson in nineteen eighteen sixty four. And sure enough gene went for Barack Obama. So tonight on the eve New Hampshire primary role into actual voting. The Guy I wanted to talk to you about how to mastermind Burma. Winning Democratic Strategy is David plausible and he joins me next the campaign manager. For Barack Obama's two thousand eight bids the Democratic nomination. The White House led a campaign that overcame huge name recognition disadvantages by using delegate math. And he's here with me and I have you here David so I think and there's two ways to look at these nominating process. Just one is that there's a kind of domino effect two thousand four hundred one. I always think of where it was competitive and then carry one and then just kind of rolled in before renewed. Everyone was like well. I guess this is the person I'm nation and the others. Are these longer drawn out. Delegate battles two thousand eight being kind of most intensive those how are you thinking about the a delegate battle here if in fact this looks like a long a long road of competition so yeah well I think that is the question. It's not about states. You Win big states delegates right so two thousand and two thousand four. We saw Gordon Carry. It ended pretty quickly. Our race went to the end of very close delegates and sixteen went deep. And so I think that's the question and I think right now. The only candidate that I could see where the pathway to seize a delegate lead that they may not give up early is Bernie Sanders because he will be viable in most congressional districts on Super Tuesday. He'll be viable statewide and so the question is the race changes so much next eighteen days we basically shoot out a South Carolina. Some of the candidates to that'll be on the ballot here Ramona. It'll be live so won't you got Bloomberg looming out there. So that really is this all comes down the other things. It's by Congressional District Congressional district at all three delegates or five delegates. You're the one who wins that Congressional district. You get an extra delegate which I know sounds like we're talking crazy matthew. But that's how we're going to decide or nomination if it's close so the viability really thresholds important to explain just for folks. Don't know this right so fifteen percent if you don't get fifteen percent in a given state you get zero delegates state or congressional district. Some states do it by state Senate Inter district like Texas. Okay yes so basically. You've got to get fifteen percent to be eligible for delegates and if you're the only one about fifteen percent then you get all delegates right right so you so the way that works is if a split field is big enough and you've got a bunch of people that are getting fourteen and twelve thirteen. And then there's someone who's got twenty eight percent that person conceivable world in which that person sees all the delegates of say Congressional district even if they're only getting twenty eight percent of the actual raw vote total because all those other people are they're taking their little shares and there are under the viability threshold. Here New Hampshire. The candidates are going to pretty much every town much less county. They did the same thing in Iowa pretty soon to calendar undergoes national you're making your scheduling decisions you resource allocation decisions less your Bloomberg. Then you can spend whatever you want at a very local level based on delegate acquisition position if you're running a smart campaign so that is yeah it gets super and those are big decisions. So if you're only going to be an Alabama or Georgia okay. We're GONNA three times you've got to make those visits count and you gotTa make your spending and your allocation your staff count now the only way to be able to sort of even make those decisions decisions you have to have some sort of funding base that can keep Nationwide Cup campaign operation going right in the case of Saint Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders. They have a big grassroots grassroots fundraising in the case of Joe Biden. Jamie Cobra sure. They're mostly raising money from hard large hard dollar donors and then there's Michael Bloomberg and the Bloomberg question mark is he's just I feel like it's just doesn't there's no precedent for none. There's I mean he's drop three hundred and fifty million dollars. You can drop a billion dollars next week if he wants to. A billion dollars a week after that and a billion dollars we got that and no one knows what that does. We've never seen anything like it. So the one thing I'd say about Bloomberg if you believe national polls he has gone from zero one to fifteen he spent on a Lotta money to get there. The Path from fifteen to thirty though is about fifty times zero to fifteen and so you got the low hanging fruit. which is you're getting in front of people's faces and they're sort of attention because you're buying all these ads but real real big chunk of support you can't just run ads to get right in? A sense is for Bloomberg. He doesn't control his destiny as my view so for him to really get to the point where he's a threat to be the Democratic nominee. I think he needs a Joe. Oh Biden booder judge and Amy Klobuchar to fade right so he becomes a standard otherwise. You're splitting up that left center. Vote to three ways you know we saw it happened in. Sixteen trump didn't start getting over forty percent of the vote pretty deep in the calendar. Now they have winner. Take all but you had Cruz. Rubio casick basic all in the race and Jeb Bush deep into the calendar and they were able and that was sort of a different situation because they have winner take right winner-take-all one of the worries about this set of rules proportionate and it's sort of complicated by congressional districts is that you can end up in situation which just no one actually gets enough to get an outright the majority of the outright number you need to get the nomination so I'll say to. Let's talk about California California. Who the hell knows what's going to happen in California? But there's a scenario aware of give Biden is still in the race and competing and Warren is and Mayor Pitas and claw which are and Bloomberg takes the stage on March third. What if all five of those are getting twelve fourteen? Mm Fifteen Gabbard Yang Star. Get A few. That's like sixty percent of the vote. Sixty five percent vote. So let's say Bernie's that one getting thirty thirty five he could net over one hundred. Delegates gets out of California loan so the question is will so what I'm hearing from you. If you're from a purely analytical perspective there's a universe in which which if you were thinking about the delegate math for Sanders you want that field to stay pretty crowd. Oh Yeah you want a lot of company and I think there's a sense that okay. We Have New Hampshire tomorrow night then Nevada then South Carolina. Then we get the Super Tuesday and then the rest of March like the clock is not just ticking. It's almost midnight really as it relates to the delegates in less basically Bernie and one other candidate. I guess there's a Snook Bernie to carrots or just splitting everything up to your point. Yeah it's possible that we're going to have somebody who doesn't have the majority of pledged delegates. I believe that whoever is for Audi leader unless literally it's a delegator to somebody has a fifty to one hundred. We're really going to take the nomination away from them in Milwaukee the party recovers that for decades. I completely agree with that right. Like if you go into the convention with a plurality lead the idea that convention being sorry sorry thanks for playing. Thanks planning. We're just GONNA into party. Bosses have decided the person who got the most delegates is now nominee like parties. Don't recover from that for a long time. Do you think the the other sort of aspect of this in terms of people staying in the race right when we talk about momentum. It's a kind of weird ephemeral term. But what it really means often in his fundraising right like you need certain performances to then go raise money than stay in for the next week and go up on the air. I mean for folks like say Amy Klobuchar or She's sort of the perfect one because she sort of in this space right now is that you can see the momentum means for her it does but I think it's a faulty metric work we've got donald trump looming he's literally half block down the street bellowing and if he wins a second term. Will we recover from. But I think it's an open question so we need to beat them. So if you do well momentum so you can raise money. But you don't have credible chance to be the Democratic nominee. I think the people have easy for me to save on a campaign. You gotta get off the stage at the end. Let the people who actually can win battle it out because his advantage money technology positioning the field position. His presidency is such an event. Incumbents tend not to lose George H W Bush lost to Bill Clinton but had he treated his campaign more seriously AAC. I don't think he would've. He was awesome the teeth of recession. But even with that you know so I think we have to understand. That trump has the advantages of incumbency. We've never seen somebody with this much money. I mean the the Atlantic story that came out last week about their billion dollar disinformation campaign. Tell people to read the Atlantic. You know you should read it because it's what we're up against. It is sophistication from the digital marketing side. We've never seen in American politics so my view is maybe you have some money. Maybe you can come in third third place get some delegates. If you can't win I would urge the media focus on that who has a credible chance from a delegate standpoint to be the democratic now so what I'm hearing from you is it just just sort of a reality check sense like posting a bunch of twelve or thirteen or fourteen percent performances. Just doesn't particularly the deeper you go does not amount to essentially essentially a credible chance at a delegate leap. It's better than getting four and being in fifth place route. You can feel good when you get out but yeah I mean particularly when we get on March third basically between March third and March seventeenth most of the country votes. Most of the delegates get awarded. So you're not accumulating the number of delegates particularly if you believe there's not going to be brokered convention where somebody who's not the delegate leader can come in on the fifth ballot okay. That's highly unlikely. Yeah I think I'm with you on that. I'm actually glad you said that because I think it sort of an important point David plot.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Of the senator king the most charitable interpretation. This set of facts is basically that no one takes seriously and everyone's trying to pawn them off on someone else and everyone's everyone's kind of yes. Boston trump about this but this really does. This is the president's personal attorney funneling the very dirt over which he was impeached over Directly Department of Justice. Is that okay. You know. It's not okay. There's a whole structure. There's a State Department Thera MBASSADOR. There's the Department of Justice and the idea that the personal attorney is is doing this kind of work. I thought frankly. One of the most damning pieces of the famous phone call which wasn't perfect Was the mention of Rudy Giuliani. If it was all about corruption generally or about burden-sharing are all the things the White House counsel talked about during the trial. Why did the President say eight to the president of Ukraine talked to Rudy? Talk to Rudy. Giuliani was a great mayor. It's a IT'S A. It's he's on his own mission it doesn't involve US US policy. It doesn't involve the national interest of the United States. It's a it's a political errand as somebody said and And the fact that that he's now being sort of welcomed into the end of the Justice Department is pretty disturbing. Do you had warned about the consequences of an acquittal. Vote against the president particularly in in terms of how he would take that signal and use continue to abuses authority. We've seen him now. Fire Not just Alexander van men who testified hide under subpoena but also his brother and there's been no cause given for why his brother was also marked out of the White House as well as Gordon's Onlin who forced does serve at the pleasure from the president but clearly. It was retribution for his testimony. Now we're seeing Lindsey Graham Dogma Guiliani being touch with Bart what do you make of the first week and a half or so after that acquittal in terms of how it lines up with what your worries are or were about what signaled president would receive. Well I think one of the most worrisome things and in the in the Trial the the president's lawyers kept talking about the elections are the solution are the. Let's wait for the elections. The problem is the offense that was at the heart of this was finagling the election meddling in the election. That's coming up and what bothered me. was that the president has expressed not a whiff of remorse not any indication that he has any idea that he did anything wrong and what that means this. He's liable to keep doing it. I mean there's there's very little likelihood that he feels chastened or somehow You know he'll change his conduct and and we're headed into an election election and he's already said he would welcome help from other countries And this this is now. Let Me Chris let me back up a step up from this. The really worrisome thing about what happened last week is a long term implications because our country is based on the principal of divided power. That's what the constitution is. All about. It puts power all over the place in the Congress in the two houses in the presidency and the states and the the whole idea. The principle is a concentration of power in one set of hands is dangerous and the Congress in my view has been committing omitting kind of slow motion suicide for the past seventy years. We've essentially given up the war power expressly in the constitution for the Congress. We've given up the trade power. The president now you know imposes tariffs on Canada for Lord Sake on our neighbors on his own unilaterally. Last year we let him take money out of out of the appropriations bill that Congress had passed through the proper processes he basically said. I don't like your priorities authorities. I want to build my wall. I'M GONNA take three and a half billion dollars out of yours and put it toward the wall and then last week. We basically said a president can in stonewall Congress entirely in an impeachment proceeding which essentially renders the impeachment clause nullity It just eviscerates it. It and the implication is what about ordinary oversight. The point I'm trying to make is that power is migrating from Congress to the president and last week it didn't migrate it leaped and that's what's really in the long term concerning maybe the president trump won't abuse it. Certainly history is not in. Doesn't reassure us on that front but what about I'm worried about five. Ten Twenty twenty years from now and You know like I say the the framers set up this complicated structure on purpose and by the way presidents aren't grabbing the power. Our congresses advocating it. And this is what bothers me so much about what happened. Last week all right Senator Angus King of the State.
"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"Any my podcast is about what it takes to get the nomination. Six episodes six timeless themes that separate the few winners from the many losers. This campaign was was and will remain the great honor of my life. So you WANNA be President with Chris Matthews and MSNBC podcast search now wherever you're listening and subscribe episode so for available now. Republican senators actually tried to intervene and stop the Friday night massacre which the president fired witnesses. Who testified against against him in the clearly a retribution for doing so an almost definitely in violation law and then we? The president's personal attorney has an Entree Trade Department of Justice. Senator Lindsey Graham told us on live. TV is receiving information coming out of the Ukraine from Rudy. Already to see. He told me that they've created a process that rudy could give information and they would see his verified. God okay that's weird and then today Attorney General Bill Maher confirmed that yes indeed rudy. Giuliani the man who is currently under investigation and by the same DOJ and who's two associates attempted to get the whole Biden investigation started are now facing prosecution. That Rudy Giuliani is funneling information directly directly Justice Department really looks like a quasi authoritarian compromising of the prosecutorial authority of set government. Joining me now is the center. Who's been very outspoken? About the president's lawless moved to consolidate power angus king independent.
Mitt Romney breaks with GOP and votes to remove Trump from office
"You believe that Donald Trump is is unfit to serve as president and should be removed from office. I do believe he should be removed from office. That's the vote that I will take an in just a short while if this means the end of your our political career broad shoulders to be able to to whether personal changes in my in my career political or otherwise. But what I don't have is the capacity to ignore my conscience the first time in American history sitting. US Senator voted to convict and remove president of his own party. Republican Senator Mitt Romney Utah Shocked. I gotta say just about everyone me as much as anyone without announcement and vote today before he did that before he decided trump was guilty of abuse the power given interviews the Atlantic's McKay coppins talking about his rationale. He said that this is the last place he wanted to find himself quote. I did not want to get here. In fact. He said that heard the reason he wanted. Former national security adviser John Bolton to testify about what president trump had told him was quote. I had the hope that Bolton would be able to say something it's to create reasonable doubt so I wouldn't have to vote to convict to talk more about Senator Romney's vote to android with a guy who got that big interview. McKay coppins staffer of the Atlantic and Neil Cacho former acting solicitor. Sir General in the Obama Administration who co-authored an opinion piece in the Times today titled This will come back to haunt trump and his enablers. Kayla me start with you a remarkable ccable moment in politics often. We don't surprise us because it's like well everyone's GonNa just do. What the partisan incense here? What was your sense of talking to him about what this meant and how he got there you know? I have to say that when I was told by his office that he was willing to talk to me yesterday and that he would reveal his vote. I went there with the assumption that he would probably be telling me he was gonNA vote to acquit. That wasn't to say I was. I wasn't open to the possibility. Maybe I think I actually said on your show last fall that I thought of all the Republican senators. Romney was the biggest threat to vote to convict. But you know I watched this kind of wrathful. Aw response from the right over. The last few months directed at him and I kind of expected him to be cowed and have like a bunch of excuses for why he had decided to to vote to acquit instead. He was very kind of almost indignant about what he saw as the president's misconduct he was dismayed by by his party. Ready and what. What's become of it and you know one thing that was remarkable to me was the degree to which he was talking about? Very personal issues of conscience and faith faith morality. He told me you know. I'm a fellow Mormon. And he was talking. He was quoting scripture to me quoting from hymns kind of talking about how he had he had had to pray eight for wisdom throughout this ordeal and so this really was something that was very personal for him and something seemed really committed to kneel. You wrote today about History history haunting the Republican senators or even in the near term being haunted by this. But what do you mean by that. Why do you think that's the case as opposed to it being consigned the memory hole like so so much that happens in our in our political world? Yeah I think that the GOP is now like the grand old cover party. And I think there's kind of three structural girl features that if I were publican outside of Romney I'd be really worried about number one. Is that seventy five percent of Americans wanted witnesses and seventy five percent of Americans. I think the president. That's something wrong in Ukraine. And that's even though we're so bitterly divided as a country so many Americans share that same core belief. The second is is the Democratic Party which has been told from the start impeachments assure loser the president keeps saying it and the like and they did it anyway. They did it despite the cost. Because has like Senator Romney they thought it was the right thing and third underappreciated and this is also the role of The folks in the Federal Government People like Dr Dr Fiona Hill and colonel of inman and the brave whistle blower all of whom came forward to say. Hey this is a real problem those three things together. So let's say to me if the president continues doing this stuff. He's going to face those three problems again. And then there's one other thing which is a consequence of the president's own legal arguments he said it to the Senate to things he said number one that there weren't any first-hand witnesses and the house should have gotten them and number two he said. Let the voters decide in November. Those two things together say the House tomorrow should be subpoenaing Bolton and gone launching a full-scale investigation. And that's what the president's President's own lawyers said should be done and so yeah. I'd be really worried if I'm the president I'd be worried about every senator who enabled this cover up McKay Don Jr. in Europe somewhat predictably tweeting about how Mitt Romney should be expelled from the GOP that he's now officially a member of the resistance and should be expelled and then of course Romney's niece Ronna Romney mcdaniel. Who is the chair of the? GOP said this is not the first time I disagree with Mitt. I imagine not be the last. The bottom line is president trump. Did nothing wrong. Republican Party's ladies more united than ever behind him. I got to imagine everyone's GonNa Watch the predictable kind of nuclear reaction that they will get from from from trump and the Republican party on this well. That's that's the whole point that's the strategy and that's been the strategy from day one that Donald trump goes after Mitt Romney when he steps out of line not because he he thinks he's going to be able to intimidate Mitt Romney necessarily because he's sending a message to all the other Republicans who might consider stepping out of line. I will say that you know when I was talking to Romney. He was bracing for this political backlash yesterday and he said Look. I know this is going to be really bad. I know that the vast majority of my party is lined up behind trump. He told me when he he's in airports. Every walk down the street random people will shout things at him in call him a traitor. Tell him he ought to be ashamed of himself and that was before he took this vote. So you know the the backlash is going to be by kind kind of deliberately. A spectacle to try to make an example out of Mitt Romney and I think that's part of the reason that Romney it'll be interesting to continue to watch him both both how he reacts to that and and how he kind of weather is that because while I do think there's GonNa be a lot of anger from the White House presidents allies the grassroots. I'm not actually sure that his Republican colleagues in the Senate are going to be quite as vicious and and you know Romney wants to show that you can do this. You can take this so you can stand up to trump and continue to resist. Do Your job. The president also of course tweeting a as I said earlier kind of nonsensical video targeting Romney I also I also wonder Neil and this is sort of different calculation but but but folks in the civil service I mean this seems to be key so many of them wrist stuck their neck out to go to go testify. We we know that there were people in the administration some political mostly civil servants. who were saying this is wrong? This is wrong. We shouldn't be doing this and I wonder what today means for them as well. In terms of restraining the president going forward so two things I just with respect to the conversation you were just having it so striking to me that this is the same person who evidently said something according to CBS opponents head is going to put on a pike and that led all the Republican senators to freak out when representative Schiff made that argument. But now that's exactly what's Howard's to Romney. We don't hear any of the any of that back and then with respect to the federal bureaucracy. I think you're absolutely right. You could take two different lessons from at one is it. Didn't work but I think the lesson that dead there is being taken in America. I'm starting to hear it from people in the federal government including when people who've seen some bad stuff and haven't come forward yet is the truth has got to come out. If the truth keeps coming out then the president is going to be stymied and all of the horrible things that he's trying to do and so I think this is going to be a lesson that's going to empower future whistleblowers. It's not going to hold them back And I certainly encouraged anyone with information to come forward McKay coppins and Neil Cacho. Thanks Janet from raking time tonight.
Shady Deals at Trump Properties
"President surrounds himself with criminals? His campaign chair. His deputy campaign chair is former national. Security Adviser you. You get the picture and as a rule if you're a politician that kind of thing isn't generally a great move but it does offer one surprising benefit when one of those folks turns turns on you you can point to their own shading dealings and say what anyone trust this person and as the president has defenders go after Parnasse repeating the same. You can't trust him line or I don't even know him remember. We have seen this all before with the last bag. Man Who talked about President Michel Com for about a decade Cohn was the Executive Vice President Trump Organization and Donald Trump's special counsel in September of two thousand seventeen profile of him appeared in Vanity Fair entitled. Michael Cohen would take a bullet for Donald Trump. The piece points out cones extreme loyalty to the president quote cone has been described as the sixth trump child. Or as Tom Hagen in this twisted version of the Godfather and sometimes as both Michael Cohen was the president's fixer but that relationship started to fall apart in early early twenty eighteen as news leaked out of illegal hush money payments made to women ahead of presidential election by April the FBI had redid. Cohen's office and hotel room in Hatton seizing recordings electronic devices. Initially the president was supportive of his longtime attorney. Michael lawyer who. I've always liked him respected. Most most people will flip if the government lets out of trouble sorry. I don't see Michael doing that. Despite the horrible which hunt and the dishonest media but on the day after Cohen pleaded guilty to do eight federal crimes including campaign finance violations. Implicating the president directly as an unindicted co-conspirator individual one the president trashed him quote. If anyone is looking for a good lawyer I would strongly suggest that you don't retain the services of Michael Cohen burn months later. Cohen found himself before Congress delivering a warning. I did the same thing that you're doing now. For Ten years I protected Mr Trump on for ten years and I can only warn people the more people that follow. Mr Trump as I did blindly are going to suffer the same consequences suances that I'm suffering. Michael Cohen pulled back. The curtain. On trump world in two thousand eighteen and live parnasse did that last night telling us what an absolute cesspool of conflicts flicks of interest corruption and shady characters around the President United States. We'll talk about that next today. The the FBI showed up at the home of Robert F. Hide just days after the house. Intelligence Committee released text messages. Provided by indicted Giuliani associate partners in which hide appears to be representing sending himself as actively surveilling then. US Ambassador Ukraine revanche high was told NBC News. He was drunk and unserious when he sent those tax. The question you have to ask ask yourself is how did someone like Robert. Hi gain access to the United States and the answer to that was laid out by himself told Rachel maddow how easy it is to get. Close the presents inner circle just show up at the trump international hotel in Washington DC. That's how Parnasse himself met Robert. Hi You met him where I met him at the I think the trump hotel yes trump hotel. He was a regular at the bar because it was like a breeding ground that trump hotel so it every event would be there so everybody would hang out there afterwards. Everybody all the meetings would be there. So it's basically you would see the same people every day or the same congressman that supported the president would be there and nobody else so he was a fixture on site he was always there and but he was always drunk. What you got in the stands where the trump hotel it's like one a big Cesspool and there's really hard to keep any secrets for more on that Cesspool joined by independent journalists sack efforts in the last two years staking out the trump hotel and writing up what he saw in the eleven hundred Pennsylvania newsletter and an article for Vanity Fair titled Power Tripping the swamp how trump's DC hotel swallowed Washington Zach. This is your beep deep probably more than it is anyone's beaten. I'm curious how is description. Squared with what you've been reporting over the last two years it's spot on. I mean Robert Hyde was on my radar Ariza early as April e. You look at his instagram. And they were pictures of him with the president pictures of him with the vice president all sorts of important people and for him it actually transcended ended the trump hotel. I think he was at six different trump properties. But if you want to project important you can just go hang out at the hotel and take some pictures one of the things that has struck me about about this where we are right now. The impeachment is usually it is very hard to get to the present United States and and and that's for that can be really maddening for people when you're trying to if you're working in the in the staff of the White House and you want to get the president something on his agenda. It's hard to get to him This president seems remarkably easy to get to buy all kinds of people with all kinds of agendas and it seems like his properties are the nexus of this this kind of soft corruption absolutely. I spoke to the president at the trump trump hotel. I was staying there researching one of my articles in for the cost of a nice steak dinner I was able to chat with the president which mix for really good social media posts there so if you you just you know hanging out there take your pictures with your Kevin McCarthy user Mike Pence's as they go back and forth now they're usually not upfront in the bar they're usually going back and forth from the entrance way way to private rooms but see them coming and going you can collect enough pictures and you look like you're really important and then what do you do with that really important the look like you're really important. Well well I think with Robert Heidi. He's using it to run for Congress and there are certainly some other people who are running for Congress typically Republican challengers who seem to be collecting pictures of themselves to the trump hotel. But I've seen some people move from the lobby where the lesser swamp. Thing's hang out to the back rooms and I. I don't know exactly what they're doing to get back there. But looking on social media it almost looks like that they are puffing up their importance with a lot of pictures and then all of a sudden they kind of get to be important That's interesting what. What do you mean by backrooms described it because at one point apartments talking about a private dinner with the president which I think happens there in the hotel room? What is what's the sort of distinction between the the the lobby bar in the backrooms actual important power players are so there's really two tiers if you go out in the lobby? That's where you're gonNA find you not even Fox News host but like Fox News guests are going to be hanging out there. People who really wanted to be seen in need to be seen to kind of project some sort of importance but they may not actually be that important example. Corey Lewandowski is somebody. You'll see it there rudy. Giuliani was the exception to that. But it's the back rooms. It's the trump townhouse which is where if died with dined with the president. And it's the Franklin study in the Lincoln Library where they had those private events. And that's where you'll see the mingling with special interest groups that have flown in lobbyists. Anybody can see them coming back and forth though to the main entrance which is where some of these other interactions come from and is that final question here like do like my understanding from the reporting we haven't from the disclosures that special interest groups if you're trying to get a rag changed if you're trying to get a piece of legislation like they we know that's the place to go and that's where those back room meetings happen. It can't hurt. There's absolutely no downside to booking the trump hotel now. I spoke to lobbyist obvious really early on when it was clear that hotel was going to stick around. said they're going to go there to try to influence them in response was of course they are. Why wouldn't they yeah? Search efforts in who's been covering this beaten his newsletter. Thanks a
Iran attacks Iraqi bases housing US troops in retaliation for Soleimani's death
"Breaking news out of Iraq where we have confirmation that Iran has launched missiles missile strikes to Iraqi basis at least two Iraqi basis that also house. US forces we have no confirmation yet of the assessment of damage or casualties around the state media is now saying that Eh. They launched these two rounds of missile strikes. And this is I think important and really actually crucial we think about this moment around saying there's no there's no retaliation for America For the latest attacks. Then they will stop attacking but if America tax than their response will be crushing and widespread. It seems to me that this is a calculation nation here by the Iranian regime. At least and getting to some point that does not further. Climb up the escalatory ladder that we have now been on for quite some time and is threatening to plunged the entire region into valuable war joining me now former Republican congressman from Oklahoma Mickey Edwards. Former chair of the House Republican Policy Committee and former Democratic Congressman from Maryland. Donna Edwards also with me Sam Cedar host the majority were podcast and MSNBC Contributor Angelina Maxwell host of signal boost on Sirius Xm and an MSNBC political analyst. Donna let me start with you the the way that we talk about. This tends to resolve revolve around the president. What decision when will he make? and WHO's influencing but America's democratic nation with the constitution that gives the power to declare war the the Congress United States represents this democratic nation. All of its citizens citizens should not be in the hands of one man particularly one man with the faculties that the current president has it seems to me extremely important that across Democrat and Republican particularly Democratic Party Democrat. Cows come out strongly to say no war with Iran. This is madness and do whatever they can to halt escalation is that a possibility ability as UCLA. I do think that there will be in there. Already have been tonight really strong voices coming from speaker. Pelosi herself that we do not want a war with Iran and very sadly this is so reminiscent of where we've been before and I think it's also important for the American American people to step up and declare that there should be no war with Iran and we are at a place where you know. There's a possibility that there could be some some de escalation but it requires seen voices and cool heads to preside both in the White House which I don't expect but certainly coming out with a strong voice from Democrats in the in the Congress and I would expect others who do not want to continue. You need to put service men and women in harm's way and to jeopardize the safety of of the American People Mickey you know there's been an interesting Fisher Asia and the Republican and Conservative collision on this question We we've seen it sort of break out in the open. Sometimes rampaul was on our air earlier. Senator from Kentucky urging us not to enter into worth around. There are some conservative commentators. WHO HAVE THE president's ear who also said the same? This seems to me kind of testing ground of that. What do you you expect to see from Republicans on the hill? Well if we stay with what they have been saying for. Many many years is that we should be very cautious. Che's about going into war but they're the bigger issue here is what you were talking about Chris. So I would hope that the congress is able to back the president op and not have is go into a major war but it's also important that Congress start reasserting its primacy in the field of international affairs primacy in in terms of deciding when we go to war because it's not just this war but with this man in the in the White House or frankly any president the idea that the congress would step by now. You were the democratic voice. Chris you've been talking about and that the Congress would back off and let any president just on his own whim or any other reason take take the country into war is unacceptable and it's time Republicans and Democrats both came together on that one issue. It just crazy to me to view what's happening right now. Does this thing that just happening out there. In the world like we're we live in a democratic society precisely so that we can exert some control and and that's part of constitutional designed by design the founders constitutional design that there are some democratic control. I mean the idea that regardless of what we have in terms of casualties that we must must respond is absurd. We have agency people are going to call for de-escalation. They're either going to call for now tonight or they're going to do it. Eighteen years from now after after what we've been in Iraq and so the bottom line is every single. Democratic presidential candidate should tonight come out and say no war with Iran every single member of the Democratic Caucus in the house and the Senate should be backing the bills by Tim Kaine am by Sanders and Kana in the House and stopping funding and stopping topping the legal auspicies for this war. Somebody's skills worse than Iraq because at least with the Iraq war in two thousand three there was a reason they put forward a reason season and so an American citizen say while there's WMD's now it turned out that that was a lie right but there wasn't articulated reason that the administration collectively is trying to put forward to tell the American people. This is why we're doing this. I have no idea why this is happening Chris. The American people likely do not understand why we are on on the brink of war with Iran and I agree with Sam. All of the Democratic candidates have a chance to step forward in this moment and show that they can be competent. They can be strong and stand on principle there. There is no reason for this and this moment we need to stay take a step back a giant step back over this cannot be a partisan listen moment the Republicans in Congress have to do the same thing. They took the same oath of office. They swore to uphold the same constitution and adjust having Democrats oppose. What's happening what the war is about without any information here but but they can't do it alone? Republicans have to say in this this case this is American lives at risk and we are going to take back the constitutional power. The Congress has the it can't be just a democratic down the the politics of of this which in some senses seemed secretaries. We await at this moment to find out if there were casualties. Both among the Iraqi against Iraqi servicemembers emmers on these Iraqi bases or American service members but of course the politics matter because the politics are part of what will produce the outcomes that happen and the decision that gets made. I mean again. This is all part of Democratic Self Governance. It does seem to me that the war weariness is very real thing it shows up in the polling. It showed up on the campaign trail. There's very very little appetite. Wait for a war with Iran. If you pull that question and even the airstrike against Sulejmani which a to my mind. Reckless escalation along this trajectory was was essentially partisan split. Like do you trust. The Democrats will have the courage of their convictions about how they navigate this. Well I have to say I mean I do you. I mean I remember you know the lead up to the Iraq war in two thousand and whatever it was three four and you know people believe the evidence that was in front of them. I never believed it. But even in the face of thousands and thousands of people taking to the streets still legislators felt a need to like go right up and march toward war. We cannot afford that to have that outcome again. And I think it's incumbent on members of Congress but the American people have to speak up and we know that they're worried because they wanted to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan in and out of the region all along now here. We are escalating again. And it's time to put a put the brakes on this coming. Both from the Congress in terms of them exercising their authorities Mickey had said but also coming from the American people saying we do not want another war in that region Gen Party. The ball is in the in the hands of the people themselves the power to declare war being Congress means that the people are supposed to make these decisions and this is what they have to show up a child meetings APP to contact their members of Congress and they have to be hurt and there should be a vote. I mean there's going to be a partner. Solution says there's going to be privileged privileged resolution and there should be there should be a vote in the United States. Senate absolutely not say I am struck by how many democratic politicians look I have very little expectations of Republicans at this point. I'm sorry about that but I am struck. By how few how how little maturation there seems to be when I look at the democratic accredit politicians who are coming out there and equivocating at this point because the American public has grown since two thousand two and to a certain extent I remember that time time vividly millions of people who are in those streets at that time and the fact is there was a lot of people who are shell shocked after nine eleven that Shell shock does not exist amongst the American American public anymore but you look at the eyes of a lot of these democratic politicians and they look like deers. If your headlights they need to lead to fight back against what is off. Obviously an attempt to draw this country into war by. Who's you know what who who's driving this bus? It's unclear but it but we cannot allow the the idea that the president of the United States can Willy Nilly create provocations. That dragged this country into this type of quagmire again. The American people have to understand why why we're entering into a military conflict. They don't know that tonight and that's a really big problem. And the communication here. I mean we just go back to say what the facts are on the ground in terms of the the latest loop. There was an attack outside Kirkuk a rocket attack there have been increasing rocketfire Adam at American forces from Shia militias in Iraq. Starting in October Tober Brett mcgurk said that hadn't happened. Eight years that part that itself was part of a escalatory cycle that started with the withdrawal from the Iran deal that kills an American American contractor back in December outside Kirkuk and killed an American contractor wounded several American service members there was a retaliatory strike by the US. It Killed Twenty five Shia militia militia members in Iraq and then that storm the embassy which was essentially disbursed with no casualties and then in response to that wildly provocative talkative s escalating act of taking out killing Qassem solely money. So that is that is the situation that has bras tonight to these reports of ground-to-ground missile. Fire from the Iranian government directed at Iraqi basis that whole both Amar Iraqi service members and American service members Donald. What do you think is happening right now? We have reports that Vice President Pence has briefed Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer Pelosi tweeted tweeted out. She's closely monitoring the situation falling bombings targeting. US troops in Iraq. We must ensure the safety of our service members including ending needless provocations
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"chris hayes" Discussed on All In with Chris Hayes
"For the kind of care that we should as human beings off to another human being so so far this is this is encouraging hung on this issue because i really do i think this is i do think there's sort of unanimity on this i do think there's a kind of jewish people have morally you don't take a fourmonthold away from another yeah right final question here for you congress meadows is there's some confusion about whether this is being done as deterrent do you understand this as policy explicitly to deter people from seeking asylum here my understanding and talking to the secretary of department of homeland security has recent is a couple of days ago is that it's not being done as a deterrent that was a direct phone conversation i had with her because i was concerned but in the end we're going to have to come together republicans and democrats to try to make sure what happens is we find since something to that chris whether it is or is not a deterrent are meant to be it certainly is but the real solution here is is to deal with the problems in countries from which they that is something that the united states needs to pay attention to congressman i'm gonna invite you both back on the day that you pass compromise legislation next week to end the practice really serious about that i would love to pretty to take a collective victory lap here mark meadows and john garam andy thanks for being with me thanks chris screws that does it for all in you can catch us every weeknight at eight o'clock on msnbc don't forget to like us on facebook that's facebook dot com slash all in with chris hey it's chris hayes from msnbc every day i come to the office and we make television show in every day i think to myself there's so much more i want to talk about and so this is our podcast it's called why is this happening and the whole idea behind it is to get to the root of the things that we see out every day they're driven by big ideas each week i sit down with a person uniquely suited to explain why this is happening new episodes of weiss this happening every tuesday listen for free wherever you get your podcasts.