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November 13, 2020 - How 'Saved By the Bell' is honoring its past; CW Chief bids farewell to 'Supernatural'

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November 13, 2020 - How 'Saved By the Bell' is honoring its past; CW Chief bids farewell to 'Supernatural'

"Welcome back to. Tv's top five. The hollywood reporter's tv. Podcast i'm lesley goldberg. West coast tv editor. And i'm joined by my friend co host and t. Hr's chief tv critic. Dan fienberg dan. How you doing exhausted but perhaps less exhausted than last week. How 'bout you leslie still kind of reeling from the election. high yeah well let's. Let's acknowledge that some of our listeners might not be on a high but others probably are and so basically. I think we all just wanted to be over but so far. It's actually not over so one step at a time. One step at a time. Well let's enough politics and let's go right into headlines leading off and there's a lot of stuff this week. I mean seriously busy. Busy busy on the renewal side. Netflix has picked up emily and paris or as their twitter feed attempted to tell us. It should actually be pronounced. Emily in piree. And i'm never going to do that again for a second season and the umbrella academy for third amazon's. Imdb tv platform has handed out a second season renewal to the drama. Alex rider which is a little bit confusing to me. Because when i was getting ready to review the show it it was already renewed. So unofficial second season renewal. That's right yes. It's already aired in other parts of the world so here it's renewed for season two so on the new series front. Arnold schwarzenegger is returning to tv. And we'll start a spy thriller for net flicks at cbs chuck. Laurie now has six shows and five on the network with the order for multi camera comedy united states of al on the unscripted side. Abc has added celebrity wheel of fortune to go alongside such shows as celebrity. Who wants to be a millionaire and celebrity family feud. I'm sensing a theme. Dan celebrities. Tv's top five coming soon with brand new more famous hosts on the casting front. The suicide squad tv spent on hbo. Max has cast daniel brooks rubber patrick jennifer holland and chris conrad over at apple phil lord and christopher miller's comedy. The after party has drawn an all-star cast that includes tiffany haddish dave franco barunholtz ilana glazer. Sam richardson show and ben schwartz elsewhere at apple. Kathryn hahn and casey wilson will star alongside wolf farrell and paul rudd in the shrink next door and wrap headlines. Hbo has cancelled the outsider. After one season i thought it was limited series to begin with. I feel like we've had a lot of that in recent months. People cancelling things. That really didn't need to go on anyway. Yes well with all that out of the way. Let's dive into this week's top. Five number one leading off alexander back admired host of jeopardy passed away. November eighth after battling pancreatic cancer for more than a year the longtime host of the syndicated trivia show filmed his last episode on october. Twenty ninth new episodes featuring travek will air through december twenty fifth. Dan this is just a loss. That's hard to to really describe. It is this is. This is a man who hosts the show going back to nineteen eighty-four and this is just a show that was weekend and week out and day in and day out a part of people's lives in a part of people's dinner plans part of people's evening wind down it was simply a part of people's routines there are countless people for whom jeopardy was as much a part of their day as coffee in the morning and melatonin at night. So you know it is. It is a thing that you can't replace. I mean they will replace him and we'll talk about this later in the in this segment. But the things he brought to this show and the way his presence came to define the show and came to define why people watched it. Why people wanted to be on it. He was so open and gave the impression either of being so smart or being so prepared and the answer was really the latter he he was simply a man who wanted to do his job well and made sure he never did his job badly. It's a it's a model and the way that he handled his cancer in the way that he handled his cancer in the public eye and the way that he kept working and kept talking to people and kept reassuring. People kept informing people. I it was a it was a model of a of a certain way of dealing with a horrible disease that there's no right way to deal with the public But he was he was just beloved and respected and admired. I've i have. I assume you do as well. I have many friends who appeared on jeopardy and and every single one of them is only still in awe of him after having spent the time with him. Which is pretty remarkable. You know this is. This is a man who you could listen to countless people in town talk about him and his work ethic and his professionalism and i think you could probably go a long time before anyone said a negative word. I have never heard a negative word about outback. And that is remarkable. And the my my one of my favorite memories is is when he came to t ca and that was was that january the sheer. It really wasn't when you talking about those before. But yes the entire ballroom. You two hundred plus members of the press corps just completely wrapped around his his finger just waiting with baited breath for every single thing that he said and it was just. I've never seen that that room respond that way to someone like that and it was just. It was really special to to be there for that. And to see the grace and dignity with which he held not just his his colleagues that he shared the stage with their us there for the tournament of champions but but also the the regard that he had for for reporters and critics alike. Like it was just i. You know it was a two way road of respect. And i'll never forget that it really was and i think that play a large role in sort of just reminding us of how great he was and he won the tci awards lifetime achievement award late this summer and he was able to accept it and his acceptance speech was ninety. Five percents being impressed with the other people who had won the awards and getting to be in the context with them. And yeah and and as i talked about in my tribute on teach our he was also incredibly good at playing off of the image. We all had of him whether it was on cheers or whether it was on the x. Files or the countless things that he appeared in as alex trebek's he always made things funnier with his cameo appearances which is not true with everybody who appears in things as themselves he was. He was also a very good actor. Maybe not in the shakespearean way but in a key always made it seemed like he was improving the things he did and they just a tremendous legacy and it just all of this makes it so hard for producers sony. tv to come up with a replacement. The studio for at press time has declined to announce plans for a new host. But dan ever already kind of speculating or throwing out their two sense. What do you think i mean. A lot of people saying ken jennings but he's also committed to doing another another show for abc called the chase and where he's one of the quizmaster's alongside his fellow jeopardy tournament of champions winners. It's such. it's such a tough job. And it's and it's probably such a a thankless job. And the also i wrote about this in my teach our tribute that the the ammo that everyone has had in recent years when it comes to game shows. He's let's get the biggest star we can find who seems like kind of a fit and sometimes it works out very well. A lot of these star hosts are very good. some of them are fairly forgettable To me the solution is probably not a big star. I that that would be the first thing i would say and so a lot of the names that are getting thrown around are probably too big. I don't necessarily think. That someone like anderson cooper if that's what he wanted to do would be a bad pick. I think that he has some of the same personality traits as alex. Rebecca if that were the thing he wanted to do with the next chapter of his career. I would say that might be interesting. But it's just it's not as easy as people from the outside are going to think it's not as easy as finding someone who seems like they're smart or finding someone who seems like they're affable or finding someone who seems like they can maintain the prestige of this show because this is a show that there really does work on prestige in a way that a lot of game shows. Don't you know. God loves supermarket. Sweep or something like that. it's not a prestige show. It's a chaos show and this into you need a host who can feed into and out of the chaos so leslie jones's perfect but for a show jeopardy. You can't have that not if you wanted to run for thirty six more years. If you just wanted to run as a curiosity for six months shirt get the biggest star you can find get tom cruise to host jeopardy. Who cares but if you think that you want the show and it's the new year to remain intact you have to. You have to figure out someone who is understated. In the way that alex trebek's was a and a big star isn't gonna be that i you know. And then you and then you get the ridiculous things. Like i definitely got a press release today saying donald trump as a as a dark horse candidate and that's just idiotic and no one at sony is going to be so stupid as even consider that i mean let's be cr- he's i say this as someone yes a democrat but i can also separate that and say donald trump at any tv show on any network is krypton right now so you know you just think think back to when abc put sean spicer on dancing with the stars and what that backlash was. So no put you. Don't i mean even leaving that aside. You just don't want someone who brings you don't want somebody who brings baggage you really. Don't and that's why. Even someone like george stephanopoulos who absolutely conveys a similar sense of air you dishes and professionalism and probably would do a fine job even. He might bring too much baggage with them. I so i don't know it's it's a tough task. The answer really may be to find someone who people generally don't know and even that you're going to have people freak out because they don't know them and no one's going to remember that ouster was he was game show host before that's that's what his job was. He was a canadian tv presenter. And the game show host. So it's not like he was the biggest star in the world when he was tapped to host jeopardy he just became jeopardy host. Alex trebek's so yeah it's it's tough and and you know the the show regardless of who hosts it next is going to be. Alex trebek's jeopardy. It's it's not suddenly going to become somebody else's jeopardy right you know. The candidates you've mentioned are both white men but are there. Is there a woman or a person of color that you could see who could be someone that that should be considered. Oh of course. I think probably. Actually that's that is the easiest and best way to do it. Wherein you're not going to have someone immediately compared to alex trebek's honestly who any white man who you put in that chair and there's not actually a chair because he stands but any white man who you put in that job is immediately going to be to compare it to outstrip back whereas if you find a woman or a person of color at least they get to carve it out themselves. I'm sure there'll be plenty of people on twitter. Who will be contemptuous awful. Because that's the way twitter operates. But i think finding someone with the right. You know it's again. It's it's the class he brought to it and so it can't be something like you know. Jane lynch is a great game show host. She really is very good at that job. This would be a bad match for somebody. Like jane lynch so you have to. You just have to go down the list of people and say who is the person who has the respectability who people will buy steve. Harvey is a great game show host. He would be a horrible jeopardy host. It's it's just hard. And i'm glad it's not my job because it's a totally finding the host not hosting jeopardy. I wouldn't wanna do that either. But but but. I'm glad it's not my job to try to find that person because there's no way there's going to be a good answer immediately could just turn out the down the road people simply come to accept it like when drew carey took over for bob barker which is completely different job. There was a general sense. Oh he can't be bob birkir and now years later i think when people watch prices right drew carey feels roughly right there and and so you know it doesn't necessarily need to be a win. That everyone agrees was a win on day. Number one and probably. It shouldn't be probably the person who gets the hype because people will turn out for a couple of weeks to see what the person's like isn't going to be the right person. It's going to be the person who you can imagine doing this for a long haul and who won't decide that they have better things to do with than jeopardy alexander back might have gotten better offers but he was going to host jeopardy as long as he possibly could and you know right up until the end which is remarkable and admirable and it shows his love for the job that he had. And you. you need someone who might have a similar approach that that's just an incredible work ethic some well up next. It's the end of an era at the. Cw known supernatural will wrap. Its fifteenth season next week. The series which stars jared panicky jensen. Apples and michelle collins is the network's longest running scripted original and last remaining show from the former. Wb network it has aired nearly three hundred and thirty episodes and here to join us this week. To bid farewell to the hit series is cw ceo mark. Peta wits thanks for joining us. Mark good to be here. It's good to see people again ago. Done listen personally. If you really want to know the truth. Maybe time next year yes again started in a larger scheme of things. Supernatural is the last holdover from the wb network era that preceded the. W but what can you say about how much this show has meant to this network. A lot of the foundation in many many ways. I've been there now. Nine plus years and i happened to a bit. A fan of people have heard before got there but then even as a fan. I was watching one out of every couple of episodes once i started with the company. I did six year. Catch up which i was able to buy. Dvd before where on net flicks Look i huge fan show. The show was a cornerstone to this with this company. But this network has meant when arrow came on there was only one show to place with which was supernatural. Luckily the first netflix deal was done. There was huge. Binging supernatural for the first six seasons so when it pad with our we had the makings of a night very strong night since that time and poor you it as you can imagine at a pr could take you through each and every show it has been basically either the lead in or lead out to almost entire schedule it has made successes out of shows that might not have been sampled and a lot of it has to do with the supernatural border audience. Demographically was fifty fifty male to female. There was an audience passionate. There were in the sample stuff that was eating dinner leading out. Offers supernatural and for that. I'll miss it because it made sure that our programming got exposed to an audience and it was also a show that you guys were able to move around the schedule but of course there was the time when it moved to friday nights and at that point people were like. Oh friday nights means. it's not going to succeed. It means it's dead. And it's the rare show that not only survived on friday nights but thrived on friday nights and then moved back into the regular schedule so talkative about sort of how versatile the show has been and why you think it survived that brief friday night run survive referring. I run because it had in front of it. And part of smallville was when i arrived we were able. It has an audience to believe in. The two brothers believed in the mythology and lifting canned jaren jackson real-life have become like brothers in the series. Remarkable then you added michel shepherd and everything that went with it show. The show had this feeling and connection to the audience who watched it coupled with. We will mucky that first. Netflix deal allowed to be binged. It allowed it to the experienced by audience that did not what it was on lithium and that added another moment ties with arrow. Were able to move it. It was compatible. Now it has been on. I am told i believe every time food to even prior to my coming. I was just told this the last thing you staff meeting actually on the wb. It was on that five to seven time period where they do repeats so did appear. I won't point on sunday. It's been a running joke at press tours four. I would say your entire tenure. The how much longer is supernatural going to go on in your answer has always been the same and i will let you give the answer now if you want to. But you simple as long as as long as the boys wanting to continue. We're willing to order so that is the answer that you gave us. I would say about fifteen press tours in a row how unprecedent it was like. You just started in your opening remarks. You would start to say it without even being asked. That's how much of a running gag. It became i address. Store near joo of your compatriots. Once could ask me the question. So what am i answering of time right. It's like every. Abc exact being asked how. How long has ademi is going to run. And the answer is similar to yours as long as ellen pompeo wants to do it same idea. That's how much these these shows mean to stop forget. I ran the studio when it first started. That's right how unprecedented is that as a stand for you as a network executive to be able to know you have this show that will that can go as long as the boys wanted to go. It gives you security gives you you know you have a quality piece of material quality creative piece of material that allows you to figure out your schedule. It allows you to put other shows with it. It allows you peace of mind. Because there's something else about supernatural. When jared jensen ended up doing over the years being. You probably heard this lousy. You know up until this year to visit all the shows and and and have all the cash and many of the show. Whatever jesse did they. Active number one on the call sheet for all cw shows they particularly vancouver imparted. The knowledge of the professionalism. It made a huge difference. Couldn't ask for better better team better teammates and better people so as much as they set the tone for for how to lead as show on a network that often features a lot of stars especially at the top of the car or near the top of the call sheet. You know on on the flipside programming wise. How has this show really helped you as an executive figure out what works and what doesn't work on on on the network especially when it comes to like the tonal stuff that you're looking for in some in some of your programming. Oh because the show had a balanced forty. You're able to try things with it. That were not just john reprogram. You could sent sense. Was that orients coming here to help it enough so it enabled you do things that you could have done otherwise with another shop. It wasn't just shows never never can lead out to make another show. Work lead in should never have that issue. They always gave it a halo at a patino shopping around the other shows to know that it was associated with you. Know and as much as supernatural has meant to this network. You have tried by my count at least three times. Correct me if i'm wrong here to launch a spin off out of supernatural and today of course this week i should say your network put a black lightning spinoff in development and you're you've built out this huge arrow verse over the years but supernatural has proven you know where spinoffs just haven't worked first of all. Why do you think that those haven't worked and beyond that. Are you done trying at this point. They didn't work. I believe at the end of the day because the audience truly believed in the winchester family and the winchester brothers and Unless you're very careful with what characters you might be able to do. A spin off with It just didn't connect all we done thinking about a spinoff. No we're not. There's a lot of mythology legacy. There are obviously not doing a better spinoff fisher episodes left. But you know we're always open to see to carry on the stupid answering reverse if there's a way to do it but it has to be. I believe connected to the winchester family. So are you in any active conversations for one. Are there any actual plans that you can get into of like you're seeing pitches or you're hearing ideas or continuing anything with with some of the guys we always hear ideas and there's many things i cannot discuss if you had to guess. How long do you think it'll be before people start having casual conversations at least about rebooting the show because everything comes back nothing has ever gone. Do you think it'll be two years. Three years five years ten years that cetera. I think that's a conversation with jensen and jarrett some ways. I think jensen came out. I think he said he's ready to do. Eight episodes about a couple of years. So i i was laughed. I hope i'm still around hopeless with us. But you know. I think you know spins if you want to do something on a limited basis a phone call. Then we'll be into it whether or not we'll be allowed to be into it as compensation but obviously committee in a heartbeat. But if it's again now it's a reverse conversation to come back and do some. Well we're open to do it. Yeah so save that for whenever we can have pressed tour again and you can open with that remark again. I love you my crew. I've been associated with many shows that have gone over a decade which is remarkable thing from gray's and criminal minds and supernatural bowel and it's eight season Those stopping that. I don't believe so to me. This is a bonus and for me. I joined the network supernatural in his sixth or seventh year. So i didn't have the beginning. I know all the history with from eric kripke. Everybody else of what it was designed to do. It was supposed to be a five year show and then they got a phone call. She got six. I was very after that. So by belief in it supported for a different point of view. you know you. Guys had seven episodes remaining to film or rap production on when the pandemic shut everything down. How did the end of the series change because of the pandemic and were you able to go up to set one time to see. The guys did not make it to set. Obviously based on my own maturity was it a good idea to travel. And i was a person out and so those two things are easy regret. I wish i could have. I would have loved to have gone up there to do that. These final episode. I think bob shing or andrew have said it pretty. Well didn't change much. They were more precaution because of comfort and more quarantining ahead of time but the basic elements of the final two episodes over there. They were there. Before shutdown. i have seen the final two episodes. They are marvelous. Could safely tell you tonight episode. Nineteen you thought. You think it's the final episode and you say what can they do for the twentieth and let me tell you they pulled off. They pulled it off in great. It's just great. And to their credit. They gave a great goodbye to their fans at the very of the show. So kudos to them. They did stop that people just to and you know and obviously the guys remain a huge part of this network and your remaining in business with jared who stars in the straight to series the reimagining of walker texas ranger. You know obviously these guys are are almost the face of the network. But why in you know for you. Why was it important to keep him on the cw in many ways the other facial meller. Shut it better than many ways. These great trust between us in terms of how we operate is great shorthand. I was throw. The jared wanted to come back i could graduate gentian. I'm playing soldier boy on the boys. I rather have him on our network but you know there's a life to lead but they are very much with the cw was they started if the wb they were very much. The network added our and has which flash and as variety different sure to come on and off but at the end the day for the last nine years. They were made you play this and just as a last question you talked about being a fan of the show before and you talked about catching up on. Dvd time to put you on a spot. Give us a favourite or favorite story arc from the long run of supernatural. I actually think to temper truly truly love. You haven't seen it but you'll see what exactly what you mean. I on the twentieth episode. I cry a lot you know. So it's kind of interesting. I actually had tiered grown man. Not not a healthy thing. But what are my favorite episodes. I actually i think it was the year that cash appeared vicious character appeared. I thought that that that moment kazakov who is vastly different when it first came out. So i think that's the third season. And what exact episode that was. I can't tell you but that seem we're cast flexes out. His his wings was quite remarkable. Excellent will mark. Thank you so much for joining us. The supernatural series finale airs november nineteenth on the. Cw thank you for having me and please watching tweet and do whatever you wanna do. Between in a meaningful correct and constructive manner number. Three up next is one of our favorite recurring segments. In which i act confused as leslie explains the latest in the carousel of executive changes across hollywood. So stop us if you've heard us talk about this before but it's been another busy week on the executive front with changes happening at disney. Were media and universal tv. Leslie break it down for us if it feels like we've talked about these executive changes before it's because we have and it's happening so frequently and if you really wanna get a good handle on how fast and how much the industry is changing because of the pandemic. Just think of this. I made a list the other day. Just off the top of my head of tv industry executives who've gotten promoted or changed jobs or been forced out or fired and that list just on the tv side over forty people and it's just not showing any signs of ending at this point so this week disney really got into the fray and pure entertainment chairman. Peter rice took a page seemingly from nbc universals playbook and his reorganizing his teams by content rather by network. The first wave of these changes came this week. When disney channel president gary marsh and natural president courtney monroe saw their purview expand. So what does this mean. It means that the guy from disney channel is now going to oversee all disney branded content across all the entertainment portfolio. So gary marsh the disney channel. Exact if there's a disney show for kids and young adults and for families that will be developed for say disney plus or hypothetically free form or even abc who or any anywhere within the disney portfolio. It's gonna be under. Gary marshes purview. And the same is true for nat. Geo courtney monroe an another excellent executive who she's going to oversee nat natural content for the same portfolio not just the linear network but the entire entertainment portfolio. So we don't know too much about. How else is everything is changing. But they are creating some other. Content groups focused on marketing. Which you know. That's a bigger and much more in the weeds purview. That doesn't necessarily impact our you know the day to day. Tv viewers but there will be another wave of this coming. Eventually it's gonna trickle down to how these network leaders and streaming executives are going are going to operate and then you've got you know i think it's four different disney branded studios that all kind of exist under this one different umbrella and all our programming either for broadcaster for cable or for streaming. And it's basically there's a lot of redundancies and when you hear redundancies. During a pandemic when earnings are taking a hit that means layoff. So that's coming down the road and speaking of laos warnermedia is reducing. Its workforce cutting an estimated five to seven percent of its twenty five thousand employees. The most significant change on the tv side. This week is the departure of gregorian. The thirty year warner brothers tv veteran who most recently served as chief marketing officer. So what does this mean. If you've been to san diego comic con and gotten one of those fancy warner brothers bags. That was her. If you've seen the crazy amount of stuff. That warner brothers does at comecon. That's her she. Basically created and defined how to market a show and how to use sandia comic one of the biggest pop culture events on the tv counter on the film cow on the calendar at all to really market the the studios programming. So if you went to one of the friends pop up events for its twenty-fifth anniversary she created that that was her brainchild. So sources say gregorian was asked to stay on board but opted to leave because her department was get this gutted by layoff so not surprising here and then just kind of wrapping up the week over universal television. We've noted that former president pearleen bawku was promoted to oversee all of nbc us combined studio operations while she has now promoted her number two aaron underhill to replace her as president of the studio. So it's a lot going on and then you know one thing. I do wanna mention just wrapping up speaking of new gigs. Great chris mccumber who stepped down earlier this year as usa network and sci-fi president in the face of nbc universals reorganization gig and is now the president of blunt house television which is an exciting and smart. Move that company so lots going on more to come you had me at. Wbz comecon bags. That was that was the part of this conversation that i fully understood there. You go well up next. It's time for our showrunner spotlight number. Four our guest. this week is tracy whitfield. Who got her start. On the emmy winning writing team of thirty rock she has worked on shows including the mini project and who's four weddings and a funeral in addition to creating nbc's critical darling. Great news she. Currently is a show runner on peacocks. Saved by the bell sequel. Thanks for joining us. Tracy of course thank you guys. Well let's start at the beginning. How did the idea to revisit. Saved by the bell. Come together well. I i was always a big fan of the show and i watched the show when i was a kid and i a couple years ago. They did a bunch of pop-up Like matt max. Restaurants are in l. A. in chicago and other places and i went to wine with some friends who also like saved by the bell and i remember thinking like wow this is so crowded and it seems like there's so many people my age who loved this show and it had kind of a cult following. I wonder if you could do like like how they did with twenty one jump like gays saved by the bell kind of movie or like the brady bunch movie or something and i asked universal or i had my agent asks universal. What was going on with the rights and at the time it was In development for something else that ended up not going forward and so About a year ago her. Lena called me and was saved by the belles available. And i'm under a deal there and she was like. Would you want to do something with and i was like. Yeah because it seemed really fun not even knowing what the idea would be. It seemed fun to kind of take that property that a lot of people seem to be attached to and do something with it will how concrete are your actual memories up the original show and when you went and you actually got this gig did you rewatch re-experience yes so i you know what's crazy is like. The show was on more than a in my in my memories. The show is on twenty four hours a day. All the time like it just was always always on syndicated on like every channel. So you know. I had seen every episode about a million times and i and i remember just like i remember very specific weird things from it like i think a lot of people who watched it growing up did like i i. Could you know. I could win a saved by the bell trivia contest. But when i when i went to what i started breaking the pilot and like i started i went to pitch the show and stuff and it was actually happening. I made a commitment that it was like all right. You have to re watch the whole thing and then there are questions of like well. What's the whole thing rate like are. Do i have to watch miss bliss. Do i have to watch the new class. So just because i have at the time i had one child banaras to but like i i. It was just to make it a little easier myself. My rules were like. I started at all good morning. Miss bliss watched all the real show including the Hawaiian hideaway and the summer. When they were the malibu shores beach club and i watched the when they got married in vegas s and i watched the college years but did not to that is that is not canon on the. I don't know what happened in the i couldn't watch. I like read. Some pedia couldn't watch those so but okay as you're watching it. What struck you with your now. No longer a result or teenagers is what what sort of stood out for you right and that was sort of the fun of doing this was sort of revisiting it for with you know revisiting it as an adult and also threw at twenty twenty lens. It's like when you go back. And it's kind of unfair to the original writers in the show but it's like when you go back and watch anything you know a couple things. Strike struck me. It's like one of our writers. This guy daschle driscoll did a web series. How i found him did a web series called. Zack morris's trash where he like. Looks at episodes and talks about. What a bad guy is like you know. Certainly there's a lot of stuff like that stuff that has an age twelve like where the guys you know. Break break into the girls locker room and take pictures of them half naked and put out a calendar and like make a lot of money and they're the heroes of the story or whatever like there's a lot of stuff like that and so i felt like our show is a fun opportunity to kind of do a little poking poke fun at that a little bit but also i think it made me go back and kind of think about will wide. Did i like this so much as a kid and it had kind of a brady bunch quality to it where it was like even as a kid i knew it was kind of cheesy and fake and like we can't really be that like safe and easy and i think i liked it as a kid was because it was like nine hundred. Zero seemed really scary like people were getting pregnant and getting roofing and stuff. We're like like nothing bad ever happened. Like maybe jesse got addicted to caffeine pills for you know half a day but that was the worst in so you know it felt like for my show for the new version of the show. There is some there is something to say about Using bayside as the sort of magical place where these kids maybe because of privilege. They never have problems. That can't be solved within twenty two minutes. And then having you know more normal grounded kids from a real high school come into the school and be like what the hell's going on with this place the velika way in and the just kind of tough with the reboot like this because you're you're making fun of the lot of the things that were cheesy or silly about the original but where is the line between winking things that everybody accepts his corny and just coming out and god forbid suggesting. The original might not necessarily of integrate show. I totally and you know. We'll see like i. Don't i think what we have on our side is. I genuinely loved the show as a child and watch couldn't watch. I couldn't have watched it also kid in basically enjoy watching it all again as an adult. If i didn't love the show and franck bario who's an ep and like my producing partner. He was a producer on the original. So like we joke like all the time. We'll be recreating things or doing things that are kind of mocking out though. And i'll be like no i want. I want the set to look like really shitty like it's made a paper on the original in front does like i made that set. I hope everyone. I know who's a fan of the show and it's a lot of people who loved the show. A kid like part of the appeal is like it was cheesy and a little bit poking fun at it and so my bet is that you know that audience will come to this and enjoy it but yet anytime you do a reboot and you're messing with something that's tied to people's childhoods you're just going to get from people who are like. Why are you messing with you. Know the thing that got me through middle school or whatever so at the same time you know. When you're looking at going back into this world how did you approach which original characters would and wouldn't be returning and especially when you factor in availability right. Paul of course is a series regular on another show. That's owned by a different studio right so it was a little complicated when i went into it. I like elegant said the you know the this there had been a project they had been working on. That didn't go forward. And so elizabeth and mario had already had a relationship with the studio in mario's on access and i think as the deal universal so they they were available to be an all episodes. When i came in creatively. I mean. I was thinking like oh the more the merrier. I would love to a as viewer. I wouldn't wanna turn tune into a saved by the bell reboot and not see. You know not see some if not all of the original. Cast and get to see what they're doing and you know what is the updated version of their characters feels like half the appeal of it and so i wanted them. As many of them were available we could work out The other thing too factor was like it is also a show very much about this new class and you want to spend a lot of time with them and invest in them and care about them as characters who. You're not just like fast forward zack. And kelly so you know it was a prior so it's a lot of characters to take care of kind of how the story shook out. What of the one of the new kids. A mom is jesse. The other one's parents zack. and kelly. So you know we were able when i met with mark. Paul and tiffany was also a series regular on a netflix show at the time and so they were able to be in a handful of them. And then we reach out to larkin lark Is has a cameo in one and so we were able to get most of them. But i'm open to whatever there's a season to like. I could get them all in whoever you know. You mentioned twice now that that there was other take ahead of yours. How much of what that was made. Its way into what you're doing now into the out now. And how much writer who's Who's a friend of mine. And i never read it it. It was a different project that And i don't i don't i honestly don't know could answer like what the tone of that was or what ended up happening with it so none hopefully and mazar anything that that mario and elizabeth said that they were going to do in that first one they kind of they brought over into this take or doing so because i think i really don't know that much about it. I think it was kind of. I think it just was the script i think and i don't know how. What their In evolvement. I don't know if they i honestly don't know if you know what how much they were involved with it or read it or anything in an ideal world for you. Is there a version of this show. That could function without all of the originals. Where you could actually do episodes. That don't involve them at all. And there are there are like the many of the episodes. Don't have not. Actually none of them like jazz. Ian slater earn all of them but many of the episodes the story is these new kids getting to life at bayside. And so we get a lot of comedy out of these new kids coming into this place and sort of these two different world views of these very privileged kids and these kids who come from a kind underfunded l. school kind of butting heads together and so that is the new show and it was just it. They were just kind of two different things. We were balancing but it was real. Thank god very fun to write for this new show that had there not been existing. This is a show that i could have. I feel like i could have pitched and could have been a show Out we just have that extra of it takes place at bayside and we often see old friends from bayside there too so speaking of the old friends. What kind of conversations did you have with the original stars about what they wanted to do. Or what or if even had hesitations or kenyans there were so gained they really going into. I had no idea like i. You know a you kind of when you do a reboot you are just accepting who these folks are in. And i didn't even know. Like mario lopez is a is like well feral. He's like a great comic actor. And people are gonna die. But i have no idea i was always a host of an entertainment show like i didn't know elizabeth so funny and like tiffany martha. I was shocked. At how game they were to kind of make make fun of themselves and make fun of their own characters. And how you know. Obviously they were funny on the original show but you know he just didn't know if it would translate to single cam in what it would be like and they all were like really They were really game. They liked the concept. And you know elizabeth. I think very smartly was was protective of jesse and just making sure comedy wise. I feel like often. Comedy writers will will be like. Oh the funniest thing is like your. Life's the worst. Your your marriage is bad. And you're you're you have a bad job in your loser where elizabeth was very careful in in a really smart way to be like but a lot of girls up to jesse and really cared about her and what happened to her so it was important that she is kind of at bayside for a different reason than mario is back at. Bayside just a. He's just a terrible terrible. This machine was finding along those lines. I do think it's notable that a lot of the returning characters they're successful on one level but in other levels they're not necessarily good people and so given that the whole point of the original series was that they were learning these lessons on a weekly basis. Where i feel like the sort of the genre went wrong for these people. what how. How did the original saved by the bell failed. These young men women right right right but you know. Isn't that the premise of every show. It's not like i'm cheers. Like like sam learn the lesson and then he wasn't that way anymore that's every show. They learned the lessons every week and it was a kid show too so it was like a saturday morning. Show so you know they. I don't ever want to. They were supposed to learn lessons every week. And and in this show. They learned lessons every week too. But you know it felt like there was something that was really fun about kind of taking what we knew about these old characters and just you know a expanding upon it you know. It's it's zack morris. Exactly as you knew him trying to you. Know get out of doing homework and screwing people over. And conning people fifty dollars except now he's the governor of california like it felt fun to try to use those exact characters but exploded as adults right. And you mentioned that obviously the original aired on saturday mornings and it was a multi camera obviously geared for a specific audience surprising that slot whereas this is a single cam that's made for streaming era. I'm curious when you're making the show when you're writing the show and you're filming it and you know designing the sets with the quick paper walls totally. What does the audience that you're aiming for with it. Such a good question and we'll see. I mean ideally like in success. I wanted to be able to bring in me like the person the person who is a comedy fan and likes the totally. It's not so different than other stuff. I've worked on like my you know my my show on. Nbc great news or on thirty rock the mindy project. It's not so different than one of those kind of several camera. Fast paced You know adult Primetime comedies. But so if you are a person who likes those especially if you're if you're a person who liked the original feels like that's that's a very easy sell But ideally it also is just a funny comedy. That kind of you can watch if you did not watch the original show and and it does feel like it is the kind of thing you can watch with your kids like if you are around my age and you love the show your kids have no idea what it is or your parents have no idea what. It is You in quarantine can kind of all sit together and watch the show. It has on peacock but it does have sort of a network. You feel too in that it is. It can be watched by families not to say it's not funny. It is but my hope. Is that a bunch of people can all find something in it. It's funny because in one episode a character references. Rina's bitch better have my money and i immediately had a visceral reaction to someone on saved by the bill saying bitch and so i was curious what what can you actually say here and do here. That maybe they couldn't in the original right so definitely it's edgier without a doubt and you know and i think the comedy is just more sophisticated. Is the biggest difference sometimes. Sometimes it's just like john michael higgins falling into an orchestra pit and his penis get sucked into to diet. Let's let's not pretend we're making high art here. But yeah i mean we you push the envelope but it's like also it was just a conversation. We were always having in the writers room. It's like also like see slater's but you need you. Don't want it to be like to edgy. That was like oh. What is this. But i think you know i come from a broadcast comedy background and so i'm very comfortable in that space so that it didn't feel limiting to me at all and i think even if we wanted to make it it's not the kind of show. I think that you would want to translate to like own riverdell kinda thing you know. It's not the shoulders like whatever where it's like zacks jillian zacks doing heroin. It's pretty in its bones. It's really squeaky clean. So we'll along those lines. I the original series is about these crazy hormonal teens and yet so weirdly chiefs show like i feel like i feel like probably zack. And kelly never got to second base and their entire time in high school. Is this a horn near saved by the bell. And would you want it to be it kind of plays on that a little. We talked about that a lot in the room. It's like there. Was this weird thing going on where it was like. He app super super clean in conservative. But like the everyone on. It's just so hot and every plies just be you. Is this weird mix. I guess. I'm sure we have on our to adults writing for for kids but yeah the kids are they all looked like really old and very attractive and they're always just like all of all of zak's on the original his motivations were just like i gotta get kelly car to car. I think it's the same thing it's like. It's a little more near but it's not no it's not like a you know whatever it's not gossip girl or something it's my sister is writing on the gossip girl review. But it's not that it's you know it's there's definitely like love triangles and romance but it's pretty the jokes edgier but it's pretty clean. You can watch it with your you know your kid. And you're not saved by the bell euphoria. Tonight we have the added an a girl where we have like a story. It is not no. It is not euphoria. It's really hard to follow up question about. How horny the new state by the news. But i'm gonna try so you exact produce this new take alongside the original series creator. Peter engel yeah what kind of conversations did you have with him about how these characters haven't changed. And was there anything that he's specifically wanted to see or not see i. I don't know if i'm allowed to say this. I've never spoken a ham. I should and i was just saying a frog alario. Who is you know he had he. We had his blessing and franco. Who is my producing partner. Who i you know who had a lot of input on the show and we had a lot of conversations that he talks to him. And actually what's a sin is. Peter was supposed to come do a cameo in one episode. We needed like an like an old man who had a young hot wife. And i was like. Oh he'd be a game and going to do it and it was literally the week before and he was like. I don't know if i'm coming out of my house and i was all excited because i was going to get to meet him but it didn't happen and then when we came back to shoot it he obviously was no. This does not feel like worth risking my life. But i've never know. I've ever had a conversation with him. But i'd like i will like to. Maybe i will after this so we want to talk a little bit about some of the characters in this. But i wanna talk about a character. Who's missing so dustin diamond is one of the main actors who has not returning but more than that. I was struck by the fact that there isn't a screech equivalent. Here there is not a conspicuous nerdy. Archetypal character was curious. What went on that and nerds. Were such a big lake. Those really over the top cartoonish nerds. Where a big part of the original. I guess in a the main girl. Daisy is kind of the nerd. But but it might. I don't know it kind of when i was when i was like break wooden was coming up with characters show. I thought about it. And i kept kind of coming back. I was having a hard time finding like i don't know finding sort of like the twenty twenty version of this like a normal kid who's good at stem and everyone respects. Is that what it is like you know it. Just there was nothing. That sort of sparked for me as like who that is like. We talk about screeches character and like there's little easter eggs throughout the show of what he's doing now and you know and if you can find some of you look for them and you know i there. This season there wasn't there wasn't really. He wasn't tied to the any of the new characters or anything. But like that's on to say it's not open for the future note. Not knowing what stories will be or anything for a cameo may be is there room for a hayley mills cameo at some point. And where is his tori in this universe. Tories mentioned in a joke miss. We kept joking about miss bliss being the party drug that instead of molly that all the consumer base side. But i we i. I don't think we mentioned misplaced in the show. Oh i love hayley mills. I would love that. You know one of the things that we wanted to talk about too is whether you wanted this to before grounded or not. There absolutely is a commentary here on public education and its struggles. If we were to take this message seriously. How would you explain it. Yeah well. I mean part of i think sort of naively when i when i was pitching an idea of like. Oh it's like bayside is was supposed to be a school in the palisades and and if you're talking about this place that kind of is squeaky clean in really safe and really nice and and nothing bad ever happens to these kids. It's like well immediately. It becomes a story about privilege. And then if you stand that to the reality of it it's like well then that also is a story about education and equality and race at a certain point and so it. I guess obviously listen. It's a saved by the bell reboot. It's not it's not a david. Simon like trenchant drama. education. La it's it is not but i think there was something that felt worth saying about how unfair public schools are in in california but in america that you know there's public schools. They're all supposed to be the same and they really aren't in their their schools that just because of how they get funding their schools that are within within miles of each other. That are completely different worlds. And it's you know. I don't have a solution for this. Show is never going to have a solution for it but it just is an unfair reality for high school kids today and it felt kind of like something. We're saying it's it's okay not to have a solution because you just expressed a more cogent policy on public education than betsy devos in forty years. So thank you character. Wise absolutely want to single out. Josie toda who is a breakout here and making her debut as a transgender character in her in her first role since transitioning how much of that of her story. Will you be leaning into you. Know honestly not too much. She's lead on the show and is in a lot of the show but the fact that she's trans. I think it's you know there's one episode where Where we go into a little bit but it was really. And i wrote the role for josie. Just kind of thinking about making a show where you're like okay. So you need six hilarious beautiful really skilled teenagers. That seems easy to find. And at least i knew i knew josie She had been on my My friend charlie. Show champions. And i remember being at a table read for that in shoe so good and so i was like while this feels find. It felt like a character. I had never seen before and so i you know. I met with her and pitched it and she was on board but it was kind of important to her that her being trans was not the headline every episode. And not even know. It didn't feel it didn't feel necessary to the story or a story. I personally even would know how to tell correctly. This is this is in ten episodes about you. Know her her being trans will her her comic is and i compare this in the most positive way to nicole richie on great news. I feel like there's such just right the same thing. Don't tell anyone outing my secret. Five character we'll talk a bit about that particular voice and if there's room and if any way it's also like i won't work we'll talk a bit about what that voice is. And if you see any potential amusement in maybe bringing in nicole richie as a susan my god. That's her mom. That's so funny. That's great that's a great co ep. Credit okay the yeah. I mean listen. It's like a voice. I loved her and obviously they're i'm joking. But they are different and each and each actor you sort of to their strengths or whatever Josie is just so go. She talked so fast she so she's like i mean she's been doing. This forever is part of it. But she's just like made to say jokes like she. So funny in good. And i just love i love kind of a not. A juicy character is i think meaner than than nicole's character was on great news. She's she's a little she's the high school a kind of queen bee version of that. But there's just something so funny about poking fun at really privileged who are just sort of existing in you know in kind of a world onto their own in in this bubble where they they sort of. Don't understand how normal people live in operate and josie plays into that so easily she just like. Was this person immediately now. With great news that was a show that that nbc didn't always necessarily know what to do with. But i've sort of. I've sort of noticed people subsequently in the streaming world discovering that show. Have you been feeling that in the past couple of have i had when it was on nbc. I i was joking yesterday. Like my uncle would be like a show and television like not the new about it. And it's you know it's not all their fault like it's just hard to find an audience and it was only on two seasons and you know i really am grateful that they gave it a second season because it's just hard to get people on board with a brand new show on network and But i have found like the after it was canceled and it was on netflix. The chew seasons so much more as it was premiering. I got so much more feedback from people being like. I love this show. When's the third season it's that was like in two thousand sixteen. It's no it isn't coming back. But yeah i got so much productivity and it was really exciting that people a lot of people found it and liked it and even over quarantine i felt like where people are. Just kind of like skimming through netflix's and have watched everything like people it seems like have found it and sort of binged it and responded to it which has been nice. You know just reverting back to save by the bell for a second here in success. Is this a show that that you could see running multiple seasons and even getting for example your own college years. Oh my gosh. I do think so like you know it. I mean that's always the thing you're afraid of where when you do and that was part of the reason why i was very careful about like. How much are we using the old guys. And how much are you know. The characters from the old show. And how much are we spending time with an investing in this new class because it's like that version where it's like nine hundred zero. I guess when they did it. It's like you know you tell your jokes about the old characters and then you're like got it now. Now do california dreams with this. I think i think it. At least developing felt like the same amount of work. Kind of put into creating a new show from scratching. It is its own show outside of the fact that it's in this place with these old characters. And i do think it could go many seasons seeing these new kids and following them. Because i hopefully. I feel like by the end of the year invested in them. And you get to care about them and see what happens with them and we always end these interviews with the same question. What have you been watching and enjoying lately. Oh okay that's great. Really really dark things i think like i so i just finished lovecraft country. I'm a little late late. And and i i just watch this. Show that No person on earth has watched other than me called the third day show. Did you watch it. No one's let's it's kind of my job so you know will you. Yeah but i like that too. I am washing unsolved mysteries right now. Just what fargo love. This new season of fargo no comedies. Nothing that's funny just like just kill it over and over. What is the cool thing that you either the thing. You're watching the queen's gamut right. that's the cool answer probably much. Yeah for this week. I is a my list. Excellent thank you so much tracy for joining us. We really appreciate it. Thank you guys so much saved by the bell makes its peacock debut on thanksgiving november twenty fifth number as usual. We wrap things up with the critics corner. Among this week's major new launches are the crown which returns for its fourth season on netflix. His dark materials is back for its second on. Hbo alex rider debuts as the first scripted series on amazon's imdb tv david. Kelly returns to broadcast with abc's big sky and speaking of broadcast. You've got a bunch of returning shows making their long-awaited debuts including the blacklist bob hearts abba shoal all rise. Ncis both fbi shows for life and a and a million little things. Dan what she got this week. That's a lot of tv tv tv. That i still haven't gotten to There's there's just a lot of stuff Definitely the first thing i want to start with is is the crown This is one of the best. Traditional prestige shows going on on television. It's it may not be the most formally inventive or edgy or cool. Show out there. It's just a really really good. It's just really smart and beautifully produced and peter. Morgan whose interview with our podcast. From last year you should definitely check out has continued to steer this ship so confidently through the life of queen elizabeth. The fourth season is heavily invested in the charles and diana soap opera. And it includes the introduction of lady diana spencer and it's such an utter star making performance by Who i don't believe i've ever seen anywhere before. And she traces this character from religious a young girl to an uncertain young woman and through the beginnings of the discomfort with prince charles who continues to play really wonderfully by by josh connor. I had completely forgotten that. Neither josh o'connor or aaron. Dorothy who plays princess. Anne were nominated for enemies last year. And that's ridiculous because they were both absolutely fantastic in the third season and continued to be great But i i think emiko and will be nominated this year because it is it is just designed as a star making role that is that is what it is because princess diana was based are making presence and so the they did a really good job casting this part. There's no question The other thing that people will be talking about is is gillian. Anderson as prime minister margaret thatcher. I think that's likely to be a little bit more polarizing. I definitely have talked to colleagues who let's say found her a little bit too much The way i interpret it is that margaret thatcher was as a presence. Perhaps a little bit too much. And i think that that anderson's performance captures a fair amount of that. But it's definitely it's not one of those performances where you forget that the person involved is acting it is. It is a busy busy acting performance. I think she's very good. But i completely understand why some people aren't going to warm to are. There is a feeling in this season that queen elizabeth is feeding a little bit towards the background. That it's a little bit less her story but the story is of course called the crown. It's not called the lives of queen. Elizabeth the second and i think that this season and really last season also continued the exploration of the idea of what it means for the crown to exist in perpetuity. What it means to be the queen for decades you no longer than many or most and to get to a certain point where you start thinking okay. who's next. How does this continue. After i leave. And i think that it is all built into libya. Coleman's performance which at times is not as overtly dramatic and big as sometimes the show has let her and clarify be. But there's so much thought going on in the performance and there's so much dialogue free acting that i think is just really wonderful to watch anyway. This this really is one of my favorite shows on tv. You know somehow it. It almost always manages to fall out of my top ten each year. But that doesn't mean that in the balance this is not a a great great show and the new season is is really a terrific continuation. And if you'd like to go back and listen to our interview with peter morgan that's in episode forty eight from last november. It was really good interview. He has always one of these murder people to talk to of of less prestige but similar british accent. I guess is alex rider which we mentioned earlier in this. Podcast is on amazon's imdb tv. Which still feels like a really cumbersome way to refer to anything basically amazon tv's streaming service is free and features commercials. And that's about all you need to know you can watch it through your amazon account This is an adaptation of anthony horowitz's novel series which has thirteen books and counting. I believe you you might remember that. At some point there was a very very bad attempt to turn it into a film franchise. Storm breaker believe and it failed. The new version is is better. It's it feels more like it. Captures the flavor of the book series. And a tone that could work going forward. I don't think that it's necessarily great choices. Made in how to adapt it in which it's both an origin story but also it has to do a lot of explaining of the plot of what is the second book so it feels like the pieces are constantly being set and reset in ways that make it feel like it's maybe not moving forward auto farrant plays the main character who is a teenager who is who discovers that one of his relatives is in a part of the british secret service and is recruited to go undercover at amos. Prep school in the french alps. There's a solid cast. I think there's so much exposition. That i'm not sure that anyone is is necessarily giving a great performance but i can absolutely see how this would set up a world that people might wanna follow. It's it's fun. It could probably be a little bit more fun. I think it could definitely use a little bit more money because the the stunts probably lack a necessary scale. But it's a large improvement over the the movie so there's that I don't want to full review of big sky which premieres next week on. Abc in large part. Because i am still processing it. And i will have a full review next week and i'm still kind of bouncing around in my head. Sort of the basic background is that this is david. E kelley's triumphant return to broadcast television. I mean it's not like he's been away from television he just he just had that. Hbo show the premiered three weeks ago. And that some people seem to be really liking but he did say that he was done with broadcast television. So that's why this is notable. Did he say that to us in an interview at some point. Leslie yes he. He has said that in multiple interviews including on. Tv's top five in episode thirty eight from a year ago. September feels like a zillion years ago. And as zillion before the before that before so many sure under spotlight interview since then so anyway it is based to some degree on the novel the highway by cj box and it really has a wonderful cast. The stars are extensively kylie bunbury katheryn winnick who people from vikings getting to be all contemporary and stuff ryan philipe john carroll lynch a ton of great character actors who you will recognize and enjoy as to what the show is. It's really kind of hard to explain. the thing that i can say with some certainty is that it really should be airing. As a two hour premiere. the premier is not exactly what the show is the premier kind of sets you up for an inversion and as a result the premier is more of a. I would say it's more of a horror show. I expected as in. It's really more like a criminal minds type show with scary. People terrorizing teenage girls. And as such. It's not what i expected and it's not. I don't think what the show is trying to be now as to whether the second episode necessarily exhibits what the show is trying to be or works itself. That might be a different question. But i am really certain that people who people who care are going to wanna watch the first and second episodes together. I think the first episode really doesn't stand alone. So that's that's what i'm going to say. I'm still around in my mind but that is that is my takeaway on on big sky but certainly of the things to watch this week. There's no question that the crown is the thing that people wanna be watching because it is a very good show to begin with and the new season is really terrific so crown up baby and we'll have full coverage of the season on t. h. r. dot com for more of dan's weekly recommendations. Be sure to subscribe to. Hr now see this newsletter. This of course feels like a good place to wrap things up. Thank you for listening to. Tv's top five hollywood reporters. 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Kevin Pollak's Chat Show

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Kurtwood Smith

"Welcome back to Kevin Pollack's chat show. I am always chat show how the hell are you and thank you for giving a damn continue to write to us at k. PCS fan mail g mail dot com. KP CS fan mail at g mail dot com. I love reading your emails. I went through several today to read for today's show, and there are too many good ones. That's my excuse. No, I have limited time today. So I wanna spend all that with our guest because I have a two firm according to shows today. So I'm gonna read the Email and the second show because I feel it's it's I, I had less time to prepare of the two shows that I've doing today. So I'll kill some type of rating your emails. How's that for enthusiasm and and away way to provoke you to Philo view, who give good God damn about the Marlins MRs Mazel the show that I'm on the Amazon prime. Network. Since we spoke last, the show one eight Emmys including best riding director, best supporting actress, but best lead actress and best comedy. It was crazy. We had already went three, what they call the EMMY technical awards, which included best casting in a comedy. So I felt like it already personally won an EMMY being a part of the cast. But that was from the technical portion, the Emmys, the non televised really so far as the big, the big boy bought broadcast Jamie, and I had not been to the Emmys before I, I haven't done that much TV in and what I've done. No one gave a shit. So this is first time at the academy of television arts and sciences, and it's really treated like an academy thing. It's a little too fucking serious for my for my enjoyment, but it was exciting first time for anything. Exciting. Dammit. So when every each time the show won an EMMY, which was five that night, Jamie nice sort of stood up like we just won the World Series or the super. I mean, it was crazy fists in the air like lunatics and people are gowns and I'm gonna tuxedo. But we were in a little section of Mazel people. So we all sort of lost their mind. But by the time we went up for the best comedy. The final second last event of the night award of the night, which is the only one I was allowed to join on stage. If you win best show, they Lau everyone who's ever worked on the show in any capacity to come on states who happens to be in the room. So you know, it's craft service guy, but I, I did end up ten next to Tony shillue and there was a wide shot of us because I watched it later where you do see me say something to him while Dan palladino is giving the acceptance speech, the back of him, I say something Tony, she'll, but he starts laughing. So I. I would tell you what I said will. I said, it's official Tony. You're the only one of us who lost an award tonight. 'cause when he won five out of six and he laughed so fucking hard, but he loved that Henry Winkler one in the same category, and Henry was so great in its began his acceptance speech by saying, I wrote this speech forty three years ago. So everyone was thrilled at Henry one on top of which he's brilliant in the HBO series berry. He really is astonishing in that part as opposed to one of those career awards. It really was earned. Let's Tony's got a couple, you know, really, it's enough already, but as we had, the thing was palpable on that stage was that the audience for the most part have had enough of Mazel and you could feel it man not just from the people who are nominated, didn't win. You could feel it from the entire audience. It was like these fucking people. Again, I guess at the kademi awards for movies, they spread things around. If you win best screenplay, you know you're not gonna win best film kind of thing. It rarely is a sweep. Best director doesn't always go to the best film, but intelligent. I guess they liked the sweep, and that's what happened and people hated us. So I had a hell of a good time. I'll tell you that right now and I'll tell you the rest later season. Two drops. I guess I can just say before the end of the year, I'm not they, they have a date in mind, and I'm a legally obligated not to share it with you. Yes, bullshit. Folks this is going to get to it. You've heard me ran on the show about my favorite show. No, not the maze program while I was instantly hooked on the of program as a fan to my number one favorite since it dropped now. Almost two years ago also on Amazon prime is called patriot. I've been pretty much ranting about it nonstop on this show and also just in life to to people, you know, because there's almost five hundred scripted show some say more. And just just a breakthrough and get anyone to talk about whatever it is you're working on, it has become the new impossible. So while I was thrilled that the Mazel tapped into the alleged Zaid guys, I became more and more upset that my favorite show patriot had not. And so I I've been running around to the neighbor's house. I knocking on their doors but like you know, real big time, big pants show business, Jim, James l. Brooks, I've mentioned too many times plays often in my weekly poker game. And so you know what the poker game you with your pals six, seven hours once a week, and you're shooting shit, and you're and everyone's talking about what movies that just came out that they saw what TV shows. So I started yapping about patriot to them, and I mentioned it to James l. he's what's this. So I said, just a monetary what it is just dial it up on the Amazon prime. And he played the next time a couple of weeks later and he and he said, Kevin, it's the. Our television. I've seen in twenty five years. This is a man with twenty Emmys maybe more. Created the Mary Tyler Moore show taxis sewn, and so forget all the kademi wards moviemaker just so when he says the best television I've seen in over twenty five years. I finally felt vindicated and now I'm reaching out to the neighboring towns around my own. Eventually gonna Candice, the United States of America and then go out to the rest of the world because Amazon prime is available all over the planet shows called patriot. I guess today's one of the main reasons. It's the best our television barn on. Please welcome the now historically talented, Kirkwood Smith, if that is your real name, that is indeed my real name. Right? Did courage start as the first name always or is it the middle name? It was always Kurt, would my mother and well, my family always called me curt. That's what she wanted to call me. Okay, too. Short for to go with Smith right curt Smith baseball player and musician. Yeah, but so she just she went the wood on, I think it's great. How many have you run into non? Exactly. Yeah, exactly. You can't. You can't compete with that now. Why? What made moms? So damn smart. That's funny. That's an interesting question. She was just kind of an interesting gal. Yeah, yeah. This was born in Wisconsin born in Wisconsin. New Lisbon? Yeah. But according to internet, you, you actually grew up in the San Fernando Valley? Yeah, pretty much that was from from what I was tend to when I was seventeen, then I, after I graduated from high school. Canoga park high school? Yeah, home of television stars. Bryan Cranston with their. That's right. Kevin, Spacey. Sure. Yeah. I go to school you and I shared a university San Jose State what state I did. Yeah. A longtime after me. But yeah. Well, here's more important part. I graduated in nine months. My friends call it dropping out. But I felt as if I'd had. Whereas you not only completed you and onto Stanford for your masters. Right. What the hell. Let's get back to mom for moment though, back in Lisbon. 'cause I'm interested very much. So in the whole point of this damn thing is the. How the hell did you get from there to here? Because each one of our stories is ridiculous and unique. So I'm I'm very curious how the hell you got from there to here. So let's go back to Lisbon. What kind of kid are you from? Zero to ten. I was just, I don't know what kind of kid I was just kind of nice little kid. Okay. For the most part, right. Wasn't on a troublemaker then. Sure. I waited till I was in my teen years. Good, a good mom, but at that time, just kind of good kid tried stay alive, you know, in Wisconsin, winners and ho boy. A lot of time on the farm. I had an couple of had had farms and cousins, and so weekends I got on the school bus with them and went to the farm, and it's been a lot of time out there in summers and stuff. What's happening on the farm. Everything happens on the farm and that's why it's especially when your cousins girl cousins. You know, I see what you're saying. So not just a wild LA. Yeah, I had a couple of male cousin, Stu and the different family, but so we would all get together and we just run like a bunch of crazy savages. You know, a working farm? Yeah. What did they producing milk milk? Mainly by it was Wisconsin dairy farm, but they also had pigs and chickens and all that stuff. And did you put to work as well or just? Yeah. Yeah. You had chores. You have to do stuff, you know? I remember I remember when I was that age having to help, you know when they were like, you know, bringing in, hey, and stuff like that and getting that crap all over your shirt at seven. Yeah, I remember having to hold help hold down pigs while they were castrated. Sure. That's when you're eight years old. Listen to those pigs scream. That's an eye opener. And how are you with pets as an adult? I don't have any pets. Never did. Interesting. We had a cat for eighteen years and it was great. We travel too much. Right? I feel, you know, I mean, you can get people to come over and stay at your house, but it's, yeah, I just we don't feel right about assurance actually likes them, but. But you went ahead and raise some kids raise some kids. I have to say that my ex wife, my first wife, she did most of the raising. Okay. I didn't really get a hold of them until they were pretty much. I would see them all the time. But right after they were in college than they came down to LA and so, oh, that's their mind. That's right. So you're, you're holding down a pig at eight, seven or eight, you know that that does afford a great many things in a heartbeat. Yeah, we're cat people and I am. I find a bleeding heart. Panzi when it comes to this cat's health that I kinda lose my shit to the point where I can't even put her in the crate and put it in the car because the sound at the cap makes is a, it's not. It can't compete with a pig losing, it's nuts, but I'll tell you having not experienced that. I would. Similarly, the cat is also your personal friend. That's right. You didn't really have gone with that particular pig. And I were not picked out a name. No name or personality or testicles. Right? And no longer. So yes. So now I found in Los Angeles, if you pay just a little couple of hundred bucks, they'll come to your house. The vet that will. Yeah, yeah, there's a great one. I'm going to say him nine one one bet that guy's amazing. The whole company's great. If you're a Panzi like me and you can't put the animal in the car and get it down to the vet which I can have. But once I had, let's look, I've said it before money is to buy convenience. If you have a little money by yourself, some convenience where it really matters and this cat's health again makes me turn into such an idiot, so. So you get out you ever had to feed your cat through to not enjoyable? Not enjoy. Yeah, eighteen years. You said you had yours. That's a hell of a run. Yeah, yeah. See, and he was always getting hurt somehow. Yeah. Well, the male cat. Yeah, they'll give you a little more trouble getting those big abscesses from getting in fights. Sure. Something else wrong with them and we'd be feeding them through a tube in. Yeah, joy. Just the joy sounds like an outdoor cat. He's getting in fights. Yeah, he was. He was up to his last few years and it was like, none are. He's, he's not gonna win. He's winning any. If you're getting your ass kicked come on inside. Let that be a than all you out there. If you get here, ask kicked come on inside. So what brought the family to the San Fernando Valley from Wisconsin because that's a hell of a shift. Yeah. Well, you know, my folks, they both went to high school. Well, actually my mom and my stepdad school together. My my mother had married young soldier from Louisiana, the beginning of World War Two. That's where I came from and he was killed, you know, about a month before the end of the war on Cao plane went down and. Got all kinds of metals and things. So yeah, he never saw me. I never saw him. But I would, but I spent a lot of time in Louisiana because if it which was another really interesting thing to go through when you're a kid, did you trace his life or his upbringing or. Yeah, yeah. I mean, he he and all his. He was one of seven. He was the youngest of seven. They were all born in Texas Carthage and win. My grandfather who was like local sheriff or whatever it was. He died of a heart attack in his forties and my grandmother need to be Smith took those seven kids didn't figure, and she was in Carthage, Texas thought she'd have a better chance in a bigger city. So she took seven kids, wow, and dragged them all to Shreveport, Louisiana, raised them all by ourselves. Can't even fathom that if I had to go to the dry cleaners and the Bank in the same day. Exactly. Seven kids reports, and they all grew up to be pretty good kids. Yeah, that's a stunning now, one of them being your father who gave his life and World War Two. That's right. So you eventually. Discovers much as you could about him in the family. I did, but also I spent a not only to discover a lot about him, which was interesting. Yeah, you you never really discover because by the time you get old enough to say, well, what was he really like and this and that all your ankles enhance have been without them for fifty years, right. You know he was in right, right. Twenty two years. Old hall guide us twenty twenty two twenty four years old. I know it's just amazing to think about it is truly amazing. Honestly, just to be a pilot. Yeah. And to lead the this final assault on the operation versity. He was in the lead plane with the commander of the division and and playing got hit with flack and shirt. They were dropping paratroopers and they got rid of the paratroopers and it was too late for them to get on like so many happened. Yeah, yes. Many. By your stepdad and your mom and my stepdad, my mom who had gone to high school together a little tiny town. Oh, great. But before we leave Wisconsin, you know, it was interesting to go from this little town Elizabeth because now we're talking about fifties. To Shreveport, Louisiana, really different world show. I was kind of identifying with that Randy Newman's song. Dixie flyer? Uh-huh. About leads. It's about going from LA. Due to an Orleans during the during the war. But anyway. Yeah, because it was a whole different world one that I wasn't really aware what's going on till you get down there and it's like. This is, you know, whites only caller, what's what's the deal, you're? Yeah. And some people are their own parents in that neck of the woods. Yeah, there's a little bit of that. Yeah. It is a different planet. Well, it certainly. Yeah, much more. So then than I think now, you know, now the world's a lot smaller than it was then. You know what's going on in the world now pretty much especially in the United States. But you know if you're kidding, no Lisbon in, you know, late forties, fifties. What? What he knew about Louisiana and you know, and. What's going on with them racial issues. Sure. You know it is. That's just not something that's on your and also to see it up close to the way you saw that pig. Well, in terms of shock value. Shock failure? Yeah. Right. Yeah. And how what years were you? Because I loved all those people easy Hannah, right. And yet they were living in a different world and I was, yeah, they were raising the different set of concerns and believes it's right. How long did you stay there before? We got to the San Fernando Valley ten years in in Wisconsin, and then we, then we went to the valley and just that was another world too. You know, I mean, the tone lived in Wisconsin had twelve hundred people. And then all of a sudden I was in Los Angeles. Three blocks from the MGM studios. That's you know, at first, I while the our little our little house in Canoga park was being built. So that was my Culver city. Culver city? Exactly. Yeah, right. In the sought, tell sepulveda's area. Right? So. But what was. Drunked the what was the work that that was it? There wasn't really any work and you know they were bored living in little town, Wisconsin, right. And my uncle my, my stepdad's brother was out here and said, you guys got to come out here and so they did. They did, you know, is like they just he quit his job. They packed up in there. You know a forty, nine Ford and five of us. Just came across country and no job. No, nothing. Holy cow. Yeah, just showed up and, and at that age, you've not seen much outside Lisbon, I'm guessing just new Lisbon and a couple of trips to Milwaukee. And then of course, Shreveport. Right. But when you're driving across the country. Oh, wow. Wow. And it goes on for days. It'd be like going to the farm or something, you know, and the different direction. But no, no, it was days and days and staying a little motels and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, that's great. I. And then it wasn't when we, but it was. It was fine. It was funny. It was fine when I was coming out here from from Knowle's by all the way across the country. But when we were living in Culver city and they were building the house in Canoga park, that was no five that went to the valley you had to take Cepal of. Oh, so whenever we would go out there so I developed motion sickness. Oh, wow. So the next time we went to Wisconsin. They gave me too many dramamine and I started talking to people that weren't there, which kind of freak my mother out right. Right. Yeah, bet it did. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow. We talking to Kenny Kenny. Not one of your brothers. How many, how many of those pills did you give him for four. Two. Wow, or one or something. I don't know. Yeah. Holy crap. So so I. I love to grown up in the valley. Yeah, it was. It was great fun. Well, now once you get into to that those teen years, and you said you, you alluded earlier that you weren't a troublemaker, maybe till will you know we used to do things like. There were there was a street full of us because that's what everybody was the same age. It seemed like you know, so there, then everybody in the neighborhood was like my age or year older, and so we just ran. And in those days, you know, you didn't have played aids, just got up and then you went and and we're supposed to be home by dark or whatever. And I've talked about on the show how my I'm curious now looking back and trying to remember because I sort of ran with a similar pack and suburbs of northern California. San Jose with over overture at the end of the street, I was born in San Francisco and raising San. And the curfew. And you're, you're running around with your friends on your bikes or what have you. And I was trying to remember later when we were driving around in cars without cell phones, how the hell did we know where each other was going to be? Because certain places you went there was like three or four plays you go. But if the if you didn't find your friends there, though, those are some lonely hours trying to figure out where is the world, how did the world get on without me, but for the most part? Yeah, or you'd run into somebody at a gas station, hey, d'you know where, yeah, they're all the party out at Johnson's party Johnson. Well, so you're running around with fairly fairly early into my teen years. We discovered how much fun it was to shoplift things. Oh, you bet you. And so we would do that. And then we would take the step further which was okay. Three, go receipt a and we will go to Canoga park and we'll see who can steal the most and see would steal all this crap, useless stuff that you didn't want. There was easy to steal is not about what you're going to do with it. It's about that the high, it's about the rush. Oh, sure. And now you also created competition. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And then that sort of carries on the next thing. You know. Sullivan is really good at hot wiring cars. That's that's helpful. Yeah. And he had an older brother that showed them maybe not? No, he didn't. He was. He was an only child he learned from some. You know, these guys, these even older guys who sat around in the garage all day right of their house. You know, anyway, the next thing we knew we were riding around in stolen cars which again, it was taken for joyrides leave him something to do. Yeah. And then we one day we found an ice cream truck took the ice cream truck. Now that's what move. How old are you? This is great. Fourteen Sherry. Sure. No one's my little brother reminds me this all the time we took this ice cream drove around. There's pretty boring. They don't go very fast and you know it was filled with ice cream. So what we do poorly took it into an empty field. We went and got all the little kids in the neighborhood, took him out there handed out free ice cream. But don't you tell right and they didn't. And we just left the ice cream truck. That was that was that I was out unsolved mystery out, but then one of us got busted bad for shoplifting and that kind of going all went. Oh no, yeah, I don't wanna do this anymore. Yeah. So that end of that man. And at what point are you drifting anywhere near the performing arts. When I was in high school, when I got cut from the basketball team, they had to put you. In a different p. class, because if you were, if you were on one of the sports, you're in sixth period p so they, they switched me to six periods speech which turned out to be the. The competitive speech. It's where the debaters were. People who did Orlan terp and so in order to stay in there, and I knew some of the kids and they were kind of fun guys. So I thought, yeah, I'll stay here and so I had to find something to do so I did or petition. And then I was also pretty good at like being narrator, you know. So I would narrate the assemblies, you know, when the glee club and the fantastic when they came out and did things. I was the guy who would read, you know, and this spring and in springtime, you know, it's the and they would sing few songs, right. Well, listen, even in the on the internet, one of the things that's noted was your thorough Tate of tone. Yeah. So you develop that early but, but when you eventually get the state university, which by the way is nowhere near Canoga park. Those of you are geographically challenged. What because I grew up in San Jose, so going to San Jose university was just a way of. Not knowing what the hell is going to do even though I didn't know what I was gonna do I already starting performing, stand up comedy in music halls. High school simply be, yeah, yeah. Well, I started performing when I was ten lip synching the first comedy album of who we now know to be the no longer the most successful serial rapists in history now that he's going to do a little time, but I wish they'd put on the liner notes Bill Cosby's albums. Yeah, you know, you gotta take the pills and you gotta be sleep before we have sick. I like to be drowsy. Sorry, it's nothing funny about it. So I wish they'd put that in the liner notes. I wouldn't have worked so hard at studying his comedy albums. So that was my when I was tens. By the time. I was a senior in high school. I stopped doing the album. Visit started writing moment tiller doing a person Asian. Yeah. So that's Christopher logger gone. Well, you're so very kind to even know of that. It certainly heard this great story about Chris for walking. What did we tricked you into come into some place and then said, you know, I invited you, and then he told everybody else to hide. And this is not true. I love this story. Oh, told everybody to hide. My friend, Tony from Chicago told me this happened to me Kevin Pollack, right? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's funny. Was so enamored of your or so impressed with your ration of him that he invited you to some events Hosie carry? This is great. This isn't true. I love. I love stories like this. You came to the right, right, and thinking, you know, and there's nobody there knowing that for Christopher wall. Who says, I can't do Chris for Kevin, and you know, and you're like, hey, where's everybody exactly? Where is it? Raining goes, oh, this is just you. I love urban legend. That's a great one. And maybe it happened to Kevin Spacey who did a famous Christopher Walken before he was run out of town on a rail. Well, for different reasons for. Yeah, so so I was going to San Jose State university because I was not that interested in school. I was pretty bored occasionally. I'd have a teacher who was inspiring entertaining, and that would interest me or the English lit teacher in my senior in high school just taught the the writings of Samuel Clemens before Mark Twain. So I really dived face first into the subtleties of sarcasm and cynicism and political humor. This from high school, this was for my senior in high school so that that teacher was a single shining moment. Yeah, and the rest of it, the teachers were bored, I, I was bored and that was pretty much. So I went to San Jose State university. I don't even remember taking my SAT's. I don't remember applying. I don't remember someone for this state university. You don't pay for. I don't even remember a couple of hundred bucks. Yeah. So I remember were went there. I joined a fraternity because I had a friend said, if you wanna meet chicks, you gotta join this fraternity. And I worked at the very first Togo's sandwich shop, which was right across the street from San Jose State university, nineteen, seventy six custody from the drama department shop. Shop. I don't know whether it wasn't a Togo's then, but right. It's a sandwich place cross-strait. That's amazing if it was Cam. So those are my memories, but then also just felt like high school with ashtrays because I had no scholastic goals or interests and I couldn't wait to get out. So dropping out to take stand up. Comedy on full-time was my masters class, whereas you gave your life, I'm I'm assuming not just to the girls and the parties, but also the theater drama department. Not the first year, not well, no one does the first first year I was not even theater major. I didn't know what I was going to do. I just basically wanted to get out of the house go someplace. I was in Canoga park. Yeah. So. How does state even come up on the map? It's it's a state university, so it's pretty cheap share and. Has a reputation for being a fun place to go. Sure. And so I've kind of between San Diego State Tennessee's state, good choice ended up going to San Jose. And you know, pretty much majored in parties. Yeah, I two is in a fraternity for about a month. Yeah, I was like, this is, you know, do you remember which one. I don't think it was a, maybe it was might have been nessa. Absolutely. That's the one I joined. Really? Yeah. Do you remember the secret handshake? I think they're all the same to locking pinky too. I just remember just. This. Tiff. It's just all the bullshit. Yeah, it really was being a pledge. I thought, how man I don't need this was supposed to before you can come up series. You've got say that Mr. so-and-so is terrific gun is the facility. So the cock suck was like silence of your tire house. Then I had to go and talk to the president of the fraternity. Yeah, we understand you just said out of here. Yeah. So the first year didn't really know what you want to do. And how did you drift towards the drama department. I took an acting class because I felt, well, you know, I did that speech thing and school enjoyed that seat. So I took an acting I did of my first scene was a scene from golden boy. You know, the play? No. The boy. He's a fighter. Sure. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, they, they did it a couple of movies of it anyway, so. So Clifford audits, right? I did this and I want. What I can do this easy and everybody in the class that you can do this and said, hey, you can do this, and I was that, yeah, and then I flunked out. But. Flunked out of everything alley. I got. I got an and that class. That's right. And then when it was going to head to go to junior college? Well, junior community college, that's right. And. And I thought, well, okay, I'm majoring theater and seal that goes right. That was that it was just like, boom, this is just what I was meant to do, but you have to get some sort of grades your other classes in order to. Yeah. Well, once I had something I wanted to do once I had that thing, right, you know, then it's like, okay, now I gotta take the history. Gotta do this and that and I gotta take the time studying. I can't go out and screw around. Right. Get drunk every night. Right. And you know, and then it was fun. Then it was on the dean's list, so holy cut. So clearly you're all in or you're all out. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that disciplined probably came from hold down that pig. Not wanna end up being that pig. That's right. I was going to be somebody situation. Yeah. Yeah. And so now you're thriving in the theater department. Right. All right. Let's put him pin in that moment. It came back semi-state wedding. Yes. No, you must have. Yeah. Yeah, you're not going from community college to Stanford. That's not happening. Okay. So I at the outset of our conversation, but I should say this lease just to, you know, in terms of my development would really happen. There was in the second year of going to community college before I transferred to stay the drama teacher. One of the drama teachers said instructors said, this friend of mine from Oregon. He's he's a professor down at Santa Clara and they're starting to Shakespeare festival. He just came up and saw the show. We were twin. We're doing a fellow and I was playing a fellow nineteen years old. Oh my and day. They want you to come to shift purpose. So I said, sure. And I didn't know that I did that for seven years during the summers that was really where I learned more than any place else that holy cow that's Shakespeare forgiving which became the California Shakespeare festival until it fell apart. Right. And according to internet. Your daughter was born, Santa Clara, California. Does that sound right? She would move. Yeah, I mean in that area. Yeah, right. Yeah. Las Gatos actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're living in Los Gatos, but she went to. My daughter ended up going to Santa Clara university. That's what it was. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I spent a lot of time in Los Gallos. Yeah, yeah. That was one of the first restaurants where I went from busboy to waiter to stand up comedian in the corner, which which will because they had a musical duo that would perform in the corner. And I was a waiter and I said to the manager who was getting stoned with on our breaks, you know, I'm doing stand up comedy now and when the ban takes a break, maybe I could do ten minutes is kind of keep the thing going to pay me and he said, sure, yeah, great. The an teak, it was called old town lost all Tom, that Shakespeare festival moved to Ulta all. Is that right? Yeah, we did a couple of years at like three, three or three or four years. All Tom totally Kennedy later became the California actors theatre and all Tom. So yes. Right for me with the end cheek. Uh-huh. And an old town, and that's. The wine cellar wine cellar better believe in that stuff. Holy cow, the world just got smaller. There was a back door from the cedar down into the wines. That's exactly right. I feel like I did a play at that theater in Los Gaddis as well in my youth as like a thirteen year. Old baby. Yeah, because know because I think that the teacher was going down to the wine cellar on his brakes and throwing back a couple. Now, at the outset, I, I talked about my favorite television program. So if you don't mind, we're gonna jump from the past to the present, and I need to know a number of things. First of all, when you read the first script. Did the tone that became the visual of the show exist on the page? Yeah, here's the thing. My manager called and said, there's the show I don't wanna call patriot in. I think it was called up patriot at that at that point and they want to offer your part, but the the the writer director wants to talk to you. I, I said, okay, so he called me Steve Conran and said, I just want you to know that that by net by then I'd already read the script and I went, oh, this characters. Just what I've done. You know, nothing extreme lays first episode, but what is show, you know, I was just totally captured by the by the script and what was going on, and you guys just tied in the first. And so I thought, I, I wanna do I wanna be a part of this. I don't care what I do, but he calls said, but your character is really going places. I mean, he's really going to change different things are gonna happen and all that. And I go through something. You said he's going on adventure, and I said. I'm in, you know, I mean, I said, I just love the pilot so much. I mean the script, right? And yeah, it was all there. It was there. I mean. Is it better than? Yeah, it's ended up, I think being even better than it read, but it read match Murray, much like that was magical. It's so dry and so different. Yeah, and so beautifully subversive. Yep. When I try to explain to people because most people who don't know anything about it or not, that familiar with its creator me to throw some more water here. I tell them imagine if soda Berg Wes Anderson and the Coen brothers decided to do show about espionage espionage at the center of it. It's just so unique -ly and visually compelling, and and look sometimes when you feel stress watching drama, it's a good thing. So when I say I felt stress don't don't take it as a negative. It's nearly impossible to to create a fictitious world and think the viewer so involved that they that their reaction is stressful. Yeah, that's an achievement. Yeah. I had it yesterday when I went to see a really bizarre little film called the sisters, brothers with John C, Reilly and walking Phoenix little western, which looked like definitely came from a novel, but look like a pet project. Maybe John C Reilly because he was listed as one of the producers. It is one of those quirky, weird kind of slow western that is compelling all the way through. And I felt stress throughout parts of it. And I thought walked wait. I was trying to explain to my better half Jamie. That such a unique in great part of a filmgoing television going experience when you can actually feel stressful. So I don't know if it read at times stressful as it was in the first noth- your character for the show itself. I think once once we shot the pilot which was shot where Israel Montreal, and then then we shot the rest of the first season in Chicago. A few people who are when their character went to Europe and went outside. The hotel were got to go to. Prog for three weeks. The fictitious city is Luxembourg, Luxembourg, and then we went to, which is not physician right as. But I think it's a different one represented in the show or is the same one feel like Luxembourg, I think of not outside of Paris. Maybe I'm for gay is not far from Paris saying, but it's it's own little country numbers in the city. It's a little country. That's right. We'll tiny country. And then we shot the second season in Paris. Which. Which drops in November also. Yeah. Yeah. You said that about your show, which is wonderful. Oh MRs. Mazel. And then I began to think. Can I say that it drops on the November ninth or was that a sacred? But anyway, I think that's the tricky thing about these shows that drop to be binge watched. When people yell at me about when is the next seas starting? Why do I have to wait so long? It's because they end up being little movies. Yeah, Amazon spending a lot of money on these shows and they're not forty. Eight minutes like a broadcast hour is because of commercial Phil, and they're often well over an hour. And so they're making these films in our case ten, ten, ten, the first season, eighth second second season. Okay. So eight films have to be prepped shot and then post produced with with music and all that goes into making a film, and then eight of those films have to be done. And that takes a very long time and then only that. But what happens is that. Everybody then watches them in about two weeks and they wanna know wouldn't it? So what the hell happened wins, you know, as opposed to if you watching. Twenty. Yes, spread out over twenty two weeks. And then it doesn't seem as as long till the next star working in July and they start dropping September. Right, right. And you keep making them while they're dropping. And that's the way the model's been forever since the fifties. But Amazon does have a tendency to hang onto them. This show's been ready since June. They don't want to drop till November because they have a master plan, which is your show is part of two, right, right. So they're, they're still finding their way there in new venture in the world of the we're now coming up on seventy years of broadcast elevates amazing though, isn't it? Amazing how much stuff there is today and how the business changed. Yeah, I was talking to an actress the other day that I hadn't seen for a few years. I said since the last time I saw you, it's a different business. Yeah, you know? Yeah, in the last five years for sure. And then the last two years, even more so it seems to be there's no way to catch up up. There's no way to watch everything. Sometimes I'll see a billboard for new show also have gathered enough time to that. It looks fantastic. I don't know when I'm gonna watch that. I just has to cross the street is Netflix. They got a billboard out there for this thing maniac. I don't know when the helmet to get the maniac looks fantastic. Right, can't wait. I said Jamie, we'll, we gotta watch maniacs. He said, we still have to finish, and then she lists the four shows. We're watching. So again, how do you break through that conversation. And so you do the pilot and you shoot the rest of the series in Chicago, which is I think, mind numbing to anyone who watched the show because it is set mostly in this world of of Luxembourg, and then a little bit back at the home office which also doesn't feel like Chicago so that there are extrordinary actors this Kiwi at the center of it Dorman Michael Dorman. Wonderful. Where the hell did he come from? First of all, he looks almost like Brad Pitt. He's a very handsome fellow. Yeah, born in raised, I think I feel. Yeah. Did he come from theater where the hell that come from? He's a some theater, but you know, has kind of working his way through them, you know, doing movies, independent Australian movies, bigger Australian movies. I'm spacing out on there was a couple of big movies that he was in from that part of the world at Sousa, very well known in Australia or fairly well known. He's he's known. Yeah, he's a working. He's a lot more. No. Now you gotta be. I mean, he's he's since we've finished. He's done another series. We finished in February. He did a a short film, not a short film and independent film. He's the lead in singing as well as as acting and he already singing. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Then Terry, they both. They in sync together before, but they both. Will I send a lot of time saying, yeah, Terry Quinn a wonderful actor also plays his father, and I felt like he really was a singer in the. Sixties that I make that up? I think so, yeah, but he could have been, you know, he so so I will tell you the viewing experiences that you instantly fall in love for this troubled depressed, the central character. Who's who's just fallen apart completely beginning the first time you've seen first time you meet them in a park. And yeah, he's playing guitar, and he's being asked to leave by the local constable. But then enter who's going to be the villainous thing. I'm trying to figure out and then your character who who again, you meet him. He's just tied asked right, but he really does as was threatened by the show's creator. Steven Conrad becomes a a central villain in in a sense that has nothing to do with espionage, but just the central character's life. When you think about who, what? What is the greatest conflict in that character's life? It's you and that doesn't make any fucking sense just in terms of designing a story as a writer? Yeah, as a member of the writers goes as nineteen eighty seven. I'm here to tell you that doesn't make any sense. It's genius on a level that's exac we're not used to and also the fact that that guy is ruining my life. Well, that's what's so funny. Yeah, because as much of a conflict as your character slowly becomes for for him. Mm-hmm. He is absolutely the main conflict in your life and we find out later what your life was and where you've gotten to and what an achievement that was to pull your character to pull himself out of a pretty bad situation only to be struck down by this lame depressed seemingly worthless human being. I mean, he is a gift from the moment you meet them in for your character. Yeah, just a waste of space. And yet he keeps thriving despite all the odds. So so that in storytelling is quite unique and wonderful. Yeah. In terms of these two characters going at it and at odds, how? Yes. So as you're getting its script for the first season and then you didn't because we seen the pilot by the time. We started the second. By the time we started the rest of the season, and so then it was very, you know, and then we were shooting episode by episode as opposed to the second season where we shot all eight episodes once like an eight hour movie. But the first season we shot up. So by some pretty much a couple of times we shot maybe two together. So you first of all you were every waiting for the script because they're so jazz. We were all so jazzed by the show. Sure. There were always waiting. See what happens next week for us as well. Other houses going. You couldn't have predicted and female detective character Horaya crap with her little girl. Yeah, absolutely. And. So that that just feeds into it then you know, because everybody's everybody's so excited and he can really when you read the script, you can just see it. You know, especially Jimmy. The photographer. He's just he just such terrific work assured out and worked so well with with the actors and and and the camera operator, Jody. I was really, really great team all the way around. Yeah, yeah. Everybody just loved to come into work every day. Well, I would think so. Yeah, I would think so. Also the oddly in shape character who works within the company who is gets a doormaster, stab him to get him out of the way Chris ridiculously and shape. Chris. Yeah. Who's your brother of Steve Conran. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. And so clearly not cast out of nepotism because the guy. Great, Chris's. Great on the show. Yeah, we'll also there's this weird Clark Kent thing happening because his glasses on your thinking, he's supposed to come off as a little Nebi. She guy, but underneath it isn't very structurally, handsome face to begin with those who are they kidding with this guy? What's what's and then the moment comes. He lets everyone know just what kind of shape is. You know, it says, confusing, as I've said in terms of what the fuck just happened. Well, that's the thing. It's it's darkly and so dry. The humor and the shots when he's when the main character's sitting in those cement brought pipe? Yeah, yeah. Pipe out in the middle of nowhere adjacent to the company. I'm supposing. And this shot is a seems like kind of a why the compositions beautiful. He's in the center of it inside this giant cement tubing and. Chris Conrad could becoming at him from one direction. You see him way off in the distance you enter from states left. Do the whole thing was Chris still approach still approaching that crates shot alone. It belongs in the museum of modern broadcast because it's a clinic. Yeah. So yeah. So. When you're out there working on a show like that and you, you're getting the scripts. The rest of the world does not know what you're working on. There. I mean, certainly I had a similar experience on the Mazel show the first season before it before it drops. Nobody knows what it is you're working on. You just have a sense of will. This is fucking magical. Yeah. I don't know if anyone's going to give a good goddamn, but it's what we're doing is pretty weird and wonderful, and it's what you wanna do. It's why you got in right swag on in the business. Yeah. And I feel like in your case and I, I feel for myself. So I'm curious if you feel it. When you do work at that level. There. It feels like a second or third act of one's life. It's so potent in terms of as you just said, realising why you got into this to begin with, there's a, you know, while being gainfully employed all these years as we have every now and then you step in something that is of a different ilk. Terry, oh, Clinton iron. I went to my wife and I went to Chicago to see him. He he and his lady live in Virginia and they were doing something in Chicago. So we went to Chicago to meet them just hang out for week. They were doing something at an improv theater and. So we had multiple dinners over the week and you know people asking people ask you, I'm sure you know what kind of role would you like to get to do this? What would you like to do? I'm always like. Yeah. And Terry was saying, he's the same way and the way he put it is what I wanna do is scripts like what? Steve Conran rights, you know, that's it's like the whatever the character is going to be going to be interesting if it's done by an exceptional writer. Yeah, you know, I, it always starts on the page and that's what we always say. And to make that you've just made that point a little. But it goes right back to the beginning because it's like when you're when you're a kid and you start doing you discover Shakespeare, it's like, holy shit. This is fantastic. You know, this is exciting in wonderful to do, and then you know, and then you go on and then you do much schlocky stuff here and there throughout your life, you know, and then you're making money and you know, people recognize you. That's all fine. But maybe it's whatever not Shakespeare, none of it's Shakespeare, but you know, then you stumble. Into something like RoboCop our new stumble, and then later on you stumbled into something like seventy show and they change your life at trying to know and they change you as a performer as well, so that that's really what you want. You want those things that are going to excite you and change you, right, and challenge and challenge, you always challenging. Yeah, that's what makes it exciting, right, and wonderful one, it's challenging. Right? And because I wanted to get back to, when you said about when you first got the script, you said, well, this feels like something. I've already done the character, the characters, certainly the character, not the show. So it was the the whole of it that excited you. Whereas the character, not necessarily in the pilot, and then Steve explained, he's going on a journey and as those scripts start to roll out and that journey starts to unfold, you've got a feel like, oh, well, this is something I've never done. Yeah, I've never. And then we get to another new level. All of his past. Yeah, characters passed by. Oh, I see. Yep, I it's like. I didn't know when we shot the pilot and he sent me. He called me and said, I'm going to send you this for the first. The second episode of the show, what was the first of the regular series and we serve sure. And he called me about a month early signing to send you this scene because I'm gonna shoot this one and you know it's, it's, it's kind of tricky for, you know, I was like, all right. So get to say. You know, I have a two page speech. That's gobbledegook. It's truly gobbly Gook. I'm still not sure what the company does other than you make pipe and fitting. Right, and that's all you need to know, but, but I thought, holy small, you know, and it took a while, you know, you had to memorize it like a Shakespearean speech. She worse because you had to invent you had invents what it meant, how does it didn't really make sense? But for some of us that issue. There. True. I see. I have to have someone either explained to me what this that's right or I have to make it up for my in the folders at dishes when they would be on the other side of the page. You know, on the back page, it would be a little things explaining what the lines meant on the bench, but you didn't have that with that. No. So that's why it took a little bit longer to learn, but and then at the same time, then he sends me three and I go jail prison. But when he when I read the pilot and I thought this guy so great original fresh and when he tells me my character characters going on an adventure, I believe, you know, because I have the proof right here as to what kind of writer is. Yeah, yeah. Where he come from Steve Gordon, not. All right. He's written a number of movies. I'm trying to think. One of the more recent ones was with Ben Stiller. The thing about wasn't what many was I'm ultimately it was one. Yeah. So I remember looking him up a little bit. I'm sorry. I put you on the spot like that. The truth is he his writing did not suggest I don't think that, no, because most of the scripts followed a sort of tradition. Well, even even Walter Mitty. Yes, because it comes from the short story. You know, kind of follows normal pattern. Even some of his earlier films when you know his writing and you know his dialogue, then you can see it in the earlier film can go back in the weatherman which is kind of looney, Nick gage movie, loved it. Yeah, scrape. And that's, that's Steve's and some of the other ones. And it was finally when he did a movie and. They didn't get it. Whoever was directing the movie, that's when Steve was light. No more, right. I'm only doing movies that I have control over and and they he and his partner. We're trying to figure out what to do, what are they going to TV or whether they're going to go to and just focus on features and. What made the difference is that the kind of things that they are doing on cable? You said all of a sudden, you know, you do eight ten episodes. It's like it's like one project. It's like a novel. It's like one thing that you one one big story that you right as opposed to just dragging out twenty two every year. And that's why he, that's why he felt it. It's more creative to do a scripts mostly written Atta timers. Well, certainly were when we were in France. When we did season two, they were all written eight episodes and now, so that allows him to be on set. Yeah. Yeah, he directed. Yes. He directed the whole season the whole season. The second season right first season he directed. I want to say a few of them, at least, but. They brought in a few people and Jimmy, the DP directed one of them. But Steve was always there lurking. But the second season. Yeah, literally, we'd you would do as you would do. Within a week you would do well within a day you would do scenes from the first episode in the sixth episode and then the next day it'd be doing eight episodes and so right. You had the whole season in your head as opposed to an episode at a time, right? Which is a different experience, different experience altogether. What are you. When I'm asked, what am I allowed to tell people about season two Mazel? I'd just say, all I can tell you is first of all, low, your expectations. It's always a good idea. But then know that we as a fan of the show, I feel we we exceeded expectations which had been raised to absurd level because because the the universe of the show is more ambitious. Is that also true of season to do feel? Because to me, I felt the first season was wildly ambitious in terms of its universe. So does it expand or is it a contract or both? It expands it. It's wild. Second season is wild. Well, it's an interesting word to use. Yeah, descriptive wild because it's it's the word I would use for season one. Yeah. And it's you're saying, it's all caps and underlined its what Steve calls it this season's really while, and, oh my God. It is, you know, in my characters, just everything starts right where it left off, what it just takes off. Yeah. I mean the things that he goes through the John, the character, John, Michael Dorman goes through our amazing and also Terry. The father? Yeah. And he and I. Building on that relationship that we had at the end of the first season. Terry's character, and my character have have a lot more to do together in the second season. But he goes through some heavy changes and mom is brought into the show. Okay. Bye. Debra winger. Wow. Yeah. And. As I said, you know, the whole thing takes place in France with a couple of little side trips to Luxembourg. So less duck hunting or more. Would you say less duck hunting or more e n? No duck owning, but well, there's a flashback to duck on. Okay, that's all I. Yeah there is because because I felt like that sequence those sequences when I felt the most stress, I thought really bad things are going to happen there in duck on there are so many bad things that can happen in the second season. Yeah, that well, that's just exciting. Yeah. Buddy and he's got a new show who has a new Steve has another show. Halt. Our Lady of perpetual grace limited. And Ben Kingsley, and it's a limited series or limited is in the types that in the title. Okay. Ben Kingsley and Jackie Weaver Australian actress and. Jimmy Simpson. Sure. They're and they're kind of leads, I think. So he didn't feel we infield challenged enough by the work of patriot. I mean, it really isn't astonishing body of work. Yeah, in itself. He hasn't been picked up the third season, you know, I mean, he heard positive feeling based on the second season in and Amazon says lots of positive stuff about the second season. So I'm in, there's an executive Amazon who oversees drama, let's not get into name. Yeah, I know who you mean. Yeah. Yeah. Single syllable, first word, first name, and he noticed on social media that I wouldn't shut the fuck up about paying and asked me. One of the Mazel table reads, if I wanted to participate in the in the push for season two and I said, all do pretty much anything you'd like me to do because it is the greater show that not enough people know about and it has fallen prey to. There are five hundred scripted, and so what everything and anything that can be done. So I I do know that just from my conversations with him that they are in fact building a campaign because they believe in the show. Yeah, that's that's great to hear. Sure. Is great to hear from somebody that's not a mutt even involved in show because that's what we're hoping for. You know, I think the fact that we kept getting pushed in terms of when it goes on made everybody a little what's going on, you know, right. But we kept hearing that they love it. They love it. They love it, but you know. So this is great here. Yeah. Well, I had worked with one of the actors on the show who also producer Gil, Gil, yeah, years ago, Miami rhapsody. Little film, but David Frankel wrote and directed. He's one that went onto Devon were prod and bunch of other great things. So I've known him a long time. The full guy. Yeah, and and wonderful actor. And he plays such a stooge of character on the show. Just just horrible laser such realm which he plays so well, but but I feel like he was a big champion for the project for a very long time. I ran into him at the television critics awards. Or a critics choice awards. And we talked a little bit about the importance of somehow letting the world know about this extrordinary Jeff hard. Yeah, it's hard getting your friends to watch it. You know? That's right. You say, you know you do everything again. You say it's the best thing that I've done. Wow, it must be great. Yeah, please want. Oh man for sure. I will. Yeah. How's that show going again? What's the call. Phone? Yeah, a mental Wadad. It's no one's fault because there's too much. Yeah. Yep. -solutely. Well, listen, whether we have the date exact or not. We people will know soon enough that season two is coming and please if you are within your reach of my voice and you enjoy entertainment that is head and shoulders above everything else. And again, imagine soda Berg, Wes Anderson the Cohn brothers got together and decided to do show that's very dry and dark comedy drama with espionage at the center of it somehow and also a piping company out of, is it miss concert Milwaukee? Yeah. Yeah. If that doesn't intrigue you enough, it should. Now court would we've reached a point in the show called ask Kevin where you are allowed to ask me any question. It can be sincere. Can't be silly. It can be meaningless or meaningful or none of those. But you are allowed only one question only one I could time these aren't. These aren't meant to be easy. I, you know, the pressure is always that you feel like you have to ask something. Deep, but I just don't deal. Don't have to ask something, you know. So. You can ask about an actual run. I had with Christopher. Welcome what? Oh yeah, this I wanna hear. I do one here so I've been doing improv. I've never. I've never told the guests before. What question to ask me Mark that down where you Sam. So I've been doing the impression of him and I started doing impression Christopher Walken pretty early in the now largeness of it's become pedestrian. Everyone can do a bad Christopher Walken if they tried to many people try, there are if you type in into Google search, Christopher impersonation sometime over sixty thousand search answers. Come up. I'm not exaggerating their five pages on YouTube dedicated to Asians, doing Christopher Walken and they are fucking. So speaking of breaking through the noise I am number one on that Google search now be that as it may. I started doing it on talk shows. I think that's how people find out about it clearly not just because I'm at a party think I can do it. So then I get this call to be one of the two only two speakers at the ceremony when Christopher Walken gets his hands feet and signature in the cement in front of the what was that Mann's Chinese theatre on Hollywood Boulevard. It is a rare honoring of any talent it they've run out of real estate is the biggest problem. Unlike the star in the waka fame which is a very big deal, but you can buy those for fifteen hundred dollars. Now. Whereas the hands and feet and second and cement is an extraordinary. The other of the only two speakers Trump doesn't even have and won't the other speakers Quentin Tarantino. I'd never met Christopher Walken. So I know when they call an asked me to be one of the two speakers, it's because I do this impersonation but I felt bad for him. This is a very big honor. Shouldn't they have people that mean something to him in his life? But that's where I found out that he knew about it the impression because there's, I don't know twenty thirty members of the press that have gathered to stand in front of the podium where Quentin Tarantino spoke I and you know, it's Tarantino's. He'll speak till you shoot him in the head. And had you know, lovely personal stories to tell. Whereas I'm just this idiot monkey, who does the voice. So I, I own that I copped to that Christopher Walken standing over my shoulder as I'm speaking at this podium and I, I said, well, clearly I'm gathered here to be a part of this because of the impersonation. And then I did with Halloween coming up. I did Kris told the story of how I like to scare the kids when they come to the door. And I my favorite ways to answer the door Christopher hay kids trick trade. So damn good question. Quite the conundrum as fate would have it. I two of a question which one little pricks can guess what I've buried under my house kids where you're going. So. As I'm telling that doing that bit, not even a story because it didn't really happen. I see Christopher Walken over my right shoulder slowly, bending at the ways forward in laughter, and there's a little lunch thing afterwards. And that's where I sit next to find out that he likes it knows about it, but it's still surreal. Because of also always said, is someone who doesn't persons. There's no reason to do it if the actual persons there. Because it's a parlor trick. If I can think of someone you like and I can recreate them well enough Allsteel the affection, you have the actual person. But if the actual person standing there, I'm just a monkey doing voice because you can't beat the real thing. Did you would have to write the speech for the real? That's right. Yeah, and much more magical if you magin ringing the doorbell of Christopher Walken house on trigger on Halloween instead of me acting that. So you see the chasm between these two things and then Jamie and I went to see Christopher Walken and the mcdonagh play of beheading in Spokane on Broadway. And so after it's great, you know, mazing actors, Sam, Rockwell, and Anthony Mackie, and the actress whose name I always forget. She's so brilliant, just four hundred. So afterwards, I say, well, let's go up. Jamie, you haven't met him. We, we go to dressing him, say Hello and stage manager. Hi, I guess a friend of Chris? Yeah, series of to. So we go up there. He is. He welcomes us in, we sit down as he sits in front of the makeup. It takes his makeup off. And if I hadn't asked a couple of questions, no one would have spoke the entire time we were there. Wow. Yeah, which gives you the feeling maybe you weren't welcome to begin with. Because a man is play. Looks like it's just an incredible thing to be a part of. Yeah. And then back to the makeup, lot of one word answers and you know, not not unpleasant or seemingly put off by us being there just very little, which left me with, okay. This was maybe as surreal and and as bizarre of of owed experiences as I may not have known I wanted, but did. So yes. So my world around him has been both of those bizarre think it's and then someone sent me a clip of him on on Conan work. Conan ask, said, you know, a lot of people impersonate you, do you have a favorite? And he said, well, Kevin does a great, and then there was a debate online, whether it was Kevin Spacey or me at any rate that's a Christopher Walken story. Now, the last part of our show is called Kevin's pop quiz. Yep. I'm going to ask you three questions between five and fifteen points possible for each of these three questions. Once the final score is tabulated it'll be posted on our website along with the current standing at the top one hundred. Are you ready? Okay. Question number one, Keith, David, or David, Keith. Oh. David, that's correct question to Carl weathers or the weather in Carlsbad. Carl as also true. Last question, Steve Conrad, correct. There's this three for three. He's in the top one hundred mmediately. Thank you so very much. Thank you, Kevin. This is fun. Yeah, just a conversation, longtime fan. And likewise. Yeah, thank you very much for that. And thanks for sharing. With with with candor knees as much of your stories I could get out of you today. Sometime in November season two patriot. In the meantime, it might be the ninth time go to Amazon prime right now. You've already got it just to get the two day shipping, and now you've got all this free program. That's right. So checkout season one's checkout season patriot and right to me at KP CS fan, mail, Djamil dot com. And I will read your letters and your love, and instant infatuation with a show called patriot on Amazon prime. Toward Smith. Thank you. Thank you. All right. 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#194 Superman in animation

Krypton Report: The Supergirl Podcast

1:30:30 hr | 4 months ago

#194 Superman in animation

"Hi this is dan juergens and if you wanna have a good time keep listening to the crip don report as jason j. Lewis the voice of superman on justice league action to me. You're listening to the all things for tony podcasts. Including superman and super we discussed teams to in shows and find the from facebook instagram twitter. That's my sentiment. Exactly james man. Sorry what a day. it's been be. Welcome everybody to the naptime report on. It's been a heck of a week for only being thursday kid. I was teaching today and at the school like they don't go on fridays because friday's kate to remote learners and cleaning thoroughly even more indepth. It's kinda just help them. Keep a good schedule so they just. They don't go on fridays. And so the the feeling. The energy is like a friday today. And i had to keep telling myself. It's thursday it's thursday. It's thursday and well by by early tuesday tuesday afternoon. If felt like the next day should have been friday. Also it's it's been a roughly here in ohio getting punched in the face and some personal stuff with just jobs. And we're gonna make it through. And i injured my hand and it's it's swollen and my thumbs all sore. I can't use it real great. So that sucks we. We need to have some fun james. We need to have some fun when you talk about comics. Important things in our lives In dc dc properties. And you know just just that is one of the things that don't make this wannacry sometimes. So let's jump into some news. Okay here we go. I don't really have an order for this. We'll start with this. Jim gaffe again has been cast on star girl to the original thunderbolt. Sweet i i. I love catholic comedy. I've liked him as an actor where i've seen him. He had his show the gym the gym gaffe again. Show that i it was like what was the term was on one of those channels that used to have just old stuff but then started doing new stuff. Not me. tv tv land was on. Tv land is what it was So cool i think it's i think it's interesting. Just someone fun and loveable. Like if they're gonna do like maybe he's down on his luck and just kind of broken as a person now Know that takes us. I mean star girl definitely surprises as a show and we know it's filming so that's exciting like i look forward to seeing what they bring us with this announcement. Gimme gimme some you know beyond the bias. A i mean he's be a he's going to be the jin that lives the fifth dimensional. Jin that lives inside of the pen. Oh that's his best character. He's going to be the jin that grants wishes that lives inside the pen signing lance packages. I know right yeah. He's really funny. I'm definitely looking to see what what he brings to it. I don't have any familiarity with the character. Yeah i really. Don't i didn't even. I didn't even really know that. What it was a Something that resided in the pen. Until i was reading up on some information about the character i i knew something was in the pen because i bought from ali's the geoff johns Run with star grow where she kind of has the tiffany about pat really being her dad and everything so i knew a little bit but not enough to tell you about it like this. And that's no right. he's hilarious. I i like when he's in season of that seventy show. I always think about judge. Usually don't eat a burger a hotdog abroad and estate but fourth july. I'll tell you when. I used to have to drive a long time and overnight. I would put on my ipod coat. Gaffe again on shuffle. Listen to stand up comedy. First of all is much better for your brain to stay awake. Music or a podcast. I learned this from experience in to listen to comedy on. Shuffle is likely nine trip that would that could be wild considering the way standups typically typically work. Yeah how they use a joke to bridge to another joke but not on not on on shuffle. So that's cool. I'm excited i hope. There's some like funny kathy references. Defa tony ins will figure out. But okay. so you sent me a link to something about beast boy on titans and now i cannot find the news article while the just the just of the gist of the article was they were discussing beast boy and his characterization this year and talking about how tigers were always his favorite character and that's why he changes into tigers we did get the one reference to when he changed into a snake in the season two premiere but season two episode one but they they discussed that. It's a it's a mental block that he has something he has to work through But that that he should start to be able to this season change into other animals. Why asides just a tiger james. Because they got hbo money. You're thinking the guy's got money now you can turn into whatever you want far out so the one thing that i hope. Things is is his transformation Not just the fact that he can transform into more animals but his his transformation gets smoother and faster Because you know if it takes him. Twenty seconds to change into an animal puts amid a serious disadvantage fight Like in in show and in the comics and stuff how he can like fly up as as a small animal or an insect or something and change into an elephant and fall on somebody. I think it will. I mean. I think it's just the mental block and letting embracing his abilities same with him getting some sort of like a tire. He wears it shifts with him so he's not always naked like yeah he is going to get a suit and it's gonna be it's gonna be in the middle between like what he's wearing in the show like is normal outfit especially from like season one and like more comic accurate and you know. It's it's titans you know. We can always count on the costumes usually being pretty good. So yeah see where that lands. I mean i just did a re-watch of titan season too. I think i might go back from you. Watch season one. I've watched season one a second time before. But i think i might rewatch these one season to audiences me like beast boy lake. Here's my quick highlights. One took dick grayson way too long to come around to be night wing and to become a better person Kiss beast boy really gets a crap into the stick like he gets. He gets screwed over when they fight. Try gone and then he gets screwed over when they you know just had their fall season two but like i told you is if you look at seasons one into a one. Big season like like twenty to twenty four episode series. The arc's work better because at the end of season one feels like you're midseason break and then you come back and you continue on and you like your new villain for the back. Half which is the district but you still have your try gone thread carrying through so it feels a little bit better like that than thinking man to two seasons degration to come around to be night wing into be a better person. But you know you titans. While we're on the which english like. I said you know i wish i wish watching it right now that i hadn't told them that i hadn't told jamie about the how they cut off a couple of episodes and change the finale and change the the season two episode one. Because i would have just. I wish i would have just gotten the thoughts of what's there as a whole i understand completely thank. You wanna tell somebody you wanna tell them same time. You're like once you once you once you break out. I mean besides the obvious you know you you put it in. Somebody's mind the disjointed nece. That's there has imposed to them just experience and seeing how it goes as one cohesive story as opposed to you know which a lot of people call a failed season finale in the first one i mean it it failed on different levels but them ending on a cliffhanger. You know isn't necessarily one of the now. Especially since they knew everybody knew it was coming back. That's why i say again. Like the midseason. Yeah it works so much better but when you have to wait you know ten months to see the next episode here so it's a little more difficult to see in in real time. We all experienced it that way. All right so so onset and there's not a whole lot to go on other than they tease tease. there's going to be a new brabin. Appear titans season three so sweet. Like i said well what was what found a new robin candidate or something. So i'm like cool. If there is a better be tim. Drake just tim. Drake's not getting any love or representation on anything. The only thing that tim's got some real representation in is young. Justice night's game coming out. Yeah arkham series. But but even even filling diluted tim drake that it feels kind of like. Yeah it's damian from afar don't know instead the gossip game everyone debated like is it damian attempts damian attempt. I'm glad that it's tim. Yeah i like. I like I like the tim in young justice. Definitely and i picked up that Super sons book the art cohen. Tim came back as batman and left to savior. You've got the titans of the future being the new justice league and stuff. Oh yeah. I got that trade nice so nice. I picked that up. I like that story. So that is our titans news. Let's see we've seen some more behind the scenes photos of women and it's looking good like i'm actually excited for about women to come back with the new one like in the batmobile about women mobile so it wasn't a whole lot cooler mentioned. Looks like an rx. Eight underneath that stylized body. I'll let you take that over as i don't now is a mazda. Rx eight is a car you seen a few times in fast and furious movies especially the early ones like the first The first three four of them. Let's see here. I'm drinking my superman coffee there. Okay so this is interesting sticking with the. Cw verse here. They're gonna film a back door pilot for a potential spinoff. Black lightning with painkiller long. Pause i liked the character. He's had a cool arc in the past three seasons. But i just. I'm not sure where you would take the character by himself in his own series. You know what. I'm saying. Like some cases they can build a world and fill out a world. I i just. I don't know i mean. Think about like other than supergirl. Every air over show that started on the w. two super odin start on the stadium. Same think technically with black lightning for fox but fox didn't pick up the pilot so cw did so it was never kind of engineered the same work out for them. But you know what. I'm saying like so. Flashes born out of arrow legends spun out of arrow know so bat woman spun out of arrow. You know all all the spin offs you know had a a back door pilot or some sort of way of getting in the universe from arrow. Yeah from ero. And from the flash and just the way. The universe built on top of each other because ray was introduced to you know i in zero and he was an ray and white canary. Were the two main legends. Leads came from ero and then the right from flash so constantine from era so the fact that we're now trying to spin out of another series is interesting. But i kind of feel like painkiller is going to be kind of like the fact that supernatural has gone on for fifteen seasons at has had to back door. Spinoff pilots made the never took off. Yeah i kind of would have liked to have watched the wayward sisters. I would have liked to have seen that show. Yeah check that one out because i like the backdoor pilot episode is pretty good. I liked donna. And i liked jodi so i would have definitely watched it so anyways. That's cool. They just announced that today as of this recording Let's see zack. Wait hold on so why here. Let me pull it up. Should jump back. Hell did they announce this is philip. We haven't talked in forever but yet it hasn't been that long okay then announced. The premiere dates several of our shows. And this is pretty crazy. You know because once again things are getting pushed back but we have. We were told that you know shows are coming back in january but that woman is coming back january seventeenth black lightning returns february eighth and then my favorite night of television. The flash and superman and lois will be on february twenty third and as long as they stepped the flash up. This season probably be pretty good night. And all i'm saying is yea that's my birthday month but man like it sucks because solomon was really rooting for it. To premiere on his birthday his birthday actually fell on tuesday this year. And so it kinda sucks but what sucks even more is like you know. They told us it would be january. Now it's now it's in february but that the in february march. So i'm just like can we please not have breaks like instead of doing like all these like breaks. They usually do show the show straight. In my opinion they should in my opinion over there. They cut these shows down to like thirteen to sixteen episodes and just do Year round programming. And so that way we can just have. These show can shows continuously because that that put it almost in march. So what does that make. The mid season like may like two months two months later. Yeah that's when we'll get star girl and supergirl presumably and legends as you. You think that this year. They're probably they probably will end up going straight on through considering we know we may. There may not be march madness in stuff like that coming up so you know they start in late february that just play straight on through so it's going to be very interesting. We're going to be busy. That's for sure are so are scheduled kind of freed up for another month man. Writing the schedule has been fun. But you know there's more important things so we'll see. What else zack snyder. Tease kind of martian manhunter. Nothing will bigly. It's a picture of zach holding his phone with a picture man who you can barely make out any details on. And i think it's more concept art type or he was he was on. He was on a stream like zoom call with Like wonder meg and and those those Ladies and a bunch of stuff like that and he just he pulled it up on his phone. That's any kind of flipped it to the camera and showed them only for like a second and a half but you know everybody out real excited and then it's been flying around that image has been flying around everywhere so that's exciting. That's cool just confirmation. More varsha manhunter is to appear you know. And that's by the martian manhunter. And i guess there's a big rumor that we're going to get something from zack. Next tuesday the seventeenth. So keep our eyes peeled for that. Yeah the just seem that rumor the possible trailer or something like that For the fans on the anniversary date and then another thing is today we got this. John cena for the johnson. A show with a peacemaker just announced that jen hollan as amelia harcourt. I don't know who that character is. Robert pattinson as augie smith. Don't care if it's proper pat patrick. Sorry not jesus tires robert patrick. It'll be awesome the management. And then i'm looking at their twitter handle our actual names thinks. Hbo hatch danny. The danny be as liotta abbott away. I don't know i can't read And then the last one is chris conrad as vigilante. And you know what. He's the only one i know on the here. You know why chris conrad is he played on young hercules and then he was the replacement for linden ashby and mortal kombat annihilation the movie who died johnny cage at the very beginning of the movie and i know that guy. Yeah because i was obsessed with us movies. When i was a child and so i knew the actors and everything. So that's cool you know he's gonna be vigilante and that's the other thing is he's the only character name i knows. So vigilantes i say that in the sense that it's neat because this is the tv series spawned from the first dc. Tv series spawned out of the movie verse so technically vigilante isn't a review of tv. I mean character because we got one form of vigilant ero in how we kind of talked about how they haven't duplicated yet on tv characters. They've done a in film and this is kind of weird ground where it's coming from the film universe but it's gonna be on tv right so that's interesting. Yeah but yeah. That's cool like that was announced today and then the last piece of news. I have and i don't have my article is going to be moving to what they're calling the omni verse where they're going to have a very very loose if not at all like existing cannon where it won't be a tight cannon it'll be an omni verse of stories that writers will have more freedom and creativity in and it's literally the the greater multi-diverse that that the omni versus literally the greater multi-diverse that encapsulate all the other multi verses everywhere. So i think they should just make a book that has a stamp onto the tells us what earth were on. And i mean i like continuity because to me. That's your story. If you're writing superman. And i'm writing superman and in your story. He can blow out the sun with a breath and then my story. He can't fly into space without the help of a suit which one is right about a character. You know what i'm saying. It makes too many little differences in the story and you know it causes too much of that arguments amongst fan of no. He can't yes he can. No he can't because there's not a consistent writing toner maybe a strip your superman down and go back to like action comics number one and i want you know super god dc. One million superman prime. Yeah so it's gonna be interesting. I guess baskin be part of the fallout of death metal. Which i feel like death metal was doing its thing but then all of a sudden. It's kinda surprised us that hey this book is more important than you thought like. This is a crisis going on over here that you didn't really realize that doesn't have the term crisis in it. Yeah i feel like we're at with death metal because like there's some cool books coming out next month from the death metal universe that i'm interested in i just picked up. What is it the extreme something. I can't bring me that book. The book says i picked this up today. infinite our extreme. It's a death metal book and it's all about lobo. I saw that. I thought about that in the in the global more than you do. So i was definitely excited and i was like okay. Well you know the the the batman hoof rags that i showed you guys yup. He's in here. Batman injected himself with zarni indiana But the whole book is actually pretty interesting. It's it's all Logo and stuff. But they've even got a ad for another death metal one shot in december called the last fifty two war of the multi versus yep. I actually had requested from mike Shop i basically looked at that thing. That's superman homepage. Put out all the superman related titles coming december end just went through it and made sure that i had everything that was needed and wrote it up and took it into my shop. So he doesn't forget he's nice guy but he might forget. Yeah so. I've been picking up all the death metal one shots because the one shot seemed very interesting and i have been reading the justice league book. I've been reading the main line book for death metal and it's very good. How they all tie in together to and it's it's it's a pretty big story taking place in a lot of different places. Yeah yeah yeah. I've kept up. I've read every death metal Issue in tien so far but that sounds good. So let's that's all the news on will keep everyone posted as we find out more. I try to only talk about stuff. I know for sure. You know. talk on rumors and all that fun jazz. Yeah here's something that we didn't talk so supposedly this is more. It's not as but it's looking at doing a one. Shot sequel for three jokers. Jeff johnson and jason car. So we'll see what that all comes to you but it seems like three jokers sold grade but wasn't as well received and i've listened to different podcasts. Talk about it. And i think it's just kinda got to settle between the store. They gave us the expectations and they were talking about on bat. Fourche san five years of expectations. Yep that's and that's that's on top of this book. And that's why i can't get mad at people you know what i'm saying like if you said hey tyler they're gonna make a three jokers and then like to him. That book cool. I haven't had time to think about it and dwell on and like all the other stuff that's happening between them between the idea. Jerry letters joker and then walking phoenix's joker and then how in the book teases the joker with different forms. And then we get the book and it doesn't even look like the joker and that doesn't even address like the scott. Snyder joker storyline like that was massive. And you know it just feels like But other than that. I think we're pretty much caught up on news in blue's clues and and that guy could draw. Yeah so just side. Note today. When i was teaching draw for kids young children. They're talking about art and like semi drew a picture like all your pictures sucks and just like kids. You need alert lessening art about how you can draw things differently. It still be good. It's all about personal preferences. And i taught them this. Fine lesson by using images from lebron meho batman versus jim lee's fat batman versus like the tim bruce timm batman. Perfect all good. But it's your personal preference and what you're trying to do with your art. You know superman coffee but let's jump into this. I did not realize that. There's actually an animation appreciation day and it was like october twenty eighth and we've had we've had a little bit. We've had this episode plan for a while. It was just when. I thought it'd be fun to do. You know because originally this was supposedly thanksgiving time holiday common you know. Let's have some fun much like our costume episode. You know and had i known. There was actually animation appreciation day. We would have move this up and done this. But we're going to get into superman in animation. And i mean this was a fun like to build and what we're gonna do is word before he jumps on me about where we start is. We're doing it by tv and film okay. So by looking at tv our first superman is from the super france nineteen seventy-three through nine hundred eighty five and it was voiced by danny dark. And he's very classic. You know technically think about that. Seventy-three james think about that and that's that's quite a while ago but before my time but the super friends run seventy three to eighty five. That is a long time. And i think there's a lot of seasons of that show and i mean that's pretty. Christopher reeve. the super friends era started before even after it went till i was born and then it stopped. Glad i mean i watched some of them on dc universe. I hope i keep saying this. But i hope the i hope that the old dc content. That doesn't that doesn't stream anywhere is goes over to. Hbo max yet dc library over. That is my biggest thing with the hp. The hbo maxon dc bridge. Is i want super boy. 'cause i'm still working through it the old cartoons like this because i go back and watch them little by little. You know nineties flash wonder woman seventies everything over there. Everything that's on dc universe over in the old stuff. Don't drop it in at it. Just keep it there. That's what i love about. dc universe. He only dropped in added like the newer stuff which is fine. Because i own all that you know. It's the older stuff that mining that. I don't own some of this. We'll go through. I've recently i've recently purchased because i wanted to have but danny darks voice for superman if you're not familiar with it. It's not bad. Joe like there's a great video on youtube of all the voices of superman and it's very like announcer kind of forget to our next slide number four. We'll notice that this is interesting. I think i meant to switch these. So i apologize. I screwed up here. My the new adventures of superman area tyler. I know. I'm not sure your shamed. I'm not perfect. The new adventures of superman was actually nine hundred. Sixty six to nineteen seventy and it was voiced by bud koehler classic radio but koehler and the animation school very smooth very bright more silver age base. Because that's the time that were in very basic animation. You know. I always think back like the film. Ation style kind of being like some of that. If people aren't familiar like film nation their biggest thing was seaman. I was thinking about early sixties hanna-barbera. Where if you look at it. Like scooby doo or like the bodies. Don't move maybe just the head does because that's the only thing they're animating so they can keep the same cell up longer. Suggest one part like the head moves to make the animation a little easier. I wonder once colin james so sorry about that but it's cool i mean i have. I don't own any of the adventures. Superman i've tried finding somebody's don't feel like paying an arm and a leg for it. I do own a couple of seasons of the super friends because actually found them at the thrift store. My mother-in-law found him to restore and got him for me. Excellent because you gotta keep that physical media so the next slide technically we're on slide. Five is superman. Nineteen at it's referred to as the ruby spears series. Very john byrne looking very john. Byrne inspired as far as the drawing animation still has a little bit filtration vibe to it. I actually wouldn't. I saw this on sale at target one time when i went back to bike. Because i wasn't sure if it was the one that already had or not because just they keep pitching these things and you know buying again without realizing it and they didn't have it so ended up actually buying the ruby spears superman series on eighteenth so i own it digitally through just because i really wanted to watch it and i had a gift card and i've made my way through that slowly. We'll vince it. We'll get around to reviewing it one day But it's interesting. It's just you know that. Late eighties cartoons. You say heavily. John byrne inspired from the way the art is. The voice is beau. Weaver is not a bad superman voice but number six james. Take us there. well we guy superman. The animated series from one thousand nine hundred sixty two thousand voiced by tim. Daly and miss was my jam up. I actually was sitting with solid yesterday. Talking about When he was born as a baby. I ain't buying up with him a lot in his nursery and i told him i said you know i buying the entire superman. The animated series on dvd. And i would sit there and rock him and feed him or just slave there on the couch with him as a baby and i watched this entire series. Oh yeah i've i bought this Bought this dvd complete set. And i am waiting. Eagerly anticipating the the blu ray remastered version. And i'll buy that. Yes i will definitely by that like. I haven't gotten the blu. Ray for batman or the blu ray for bam beyond. But i'll definitely get the superman early when that one comes out. I used to go and buy like i had like my thing as thrifty thrifty the fye or wherever and find like all do they have it or is it previously owned by bags or whatever or a half price books. I have my list of stuff you know and i go and finally recently from half price books. I just bought season one of batman. Sixty six on blu ray for seven bucks. I got season one our own season three on dvd. So i wasn't plan buying the whole box set but you know and it was kind of exciting. And i'm keeping my eye out because i always liked to buy the air over shows at thanksgiving black friday time. 'cause i'll put the seasons for like fifteen dollars for dvd and like ten bucks or fifteen for blu ray like ten bucks for dvd. That's usually when. I buy my past seasons so but back to tim here. This the iconic voice. This is probably the voice that everyone thinks of anymore when they think of superman he's been used multiple times and other projects and this is the voice that that kind of stays with me a lot. That's the voice that that's the voice. I associate most with superman i can. They're pretty close. I can tell the difference between Tim daly george new bern. They're pretty close. But the tim daly is is the one that i that i associate most was superman and i was real happy when he came back for like public enemies and bam. Superman apocalypse are superman batman apocalypse. agree so my slides are a little out of order. And i'm not sure why. But i'm gonna fix it before i add it for the everyone here to enjoy on our on our page. So that brings us into the justice league justice league unlimited years which is two thousand two thousand six. so right as superman made series is ending we. We picked up justice league. And that's where we get. George new bern and for those who may not know right now. Michael rosenbaum's podcasts. Inside of you is doing a justice league reunion episode where everyone of the voice actors are the core. Main justly members are there except kevin conroy. george new bern. He's had a continued career with superman from the injustice games to some of the direct videos. Yeah he's still. He's still gone back and forth with tim. Daly over the years for for the voice of superman in different places. And that's why these two are kind of like tight like in a way you know you kind of go back and forth because they both are integrated so well and we didn't mention too much but like okay. So the tim daly superman. There's different a little bit of us looking at the animation. There's a little bit more of a softness to the face and this isn't a batman comparison but like the animation for superman. The animation is the same as the animation. That was used for the gotham with the call. It the new gotham adventures or the gotham knights. What i refer to. As the season four batman they made series with tim. Drake and night wing We're batman superman actually crossover for the first time. And then for those who don't know world's finest episodes yep and if you think about it in superman the animated series love those episodes. He meets batman he meets. Kyle rayner green lantern. He meets barry allen flash and he meets aquaman and then we get to justice league. And we're at john. Stewart green lantern while you west flash and completely like more. Be a aquaman even though it's all in continuity it's kind of like oh there's a lot of things have happened leading up to justice league but the is a little bit more square opened more harder lines the colors pop a little bit more. I think there's more there's more digital coloring and stuff done for newest adventures okay. I think there's more digital coloring and stuff in justice league then there was there's a there's more brightness in justice league there was in superman the animated series but like he looks more barrel chested unlike top-heavy more so than he did in subaru mid series. But this is kind of like the gold standard. I feel these to the philippines to kind of go hand in hand. Yeah have the. It was definitely changing animation that That went through for the the new batman adventures in going into justice league. They were a little a little bit softer a little rounder. And then when the farther got it is like more hard lines and more angles. So it's one of those. Oh interesting kind of things you know. I remember watching world. World's finest with the commentary on and they're talking about how they used a different animation studio and how they were trying this new technique with colors and stuff. And that's why. I like the colors. The the green light from the kryptonite and the the lights inside of the The club that batman enters in. I when superman shows up afterwards All that lighting and stuff. That was all done. Those brand news new technique and stuff like that for the animation. It's a very very interesting so okay so moving on we got george. Newberry here in in two thousand and three. He appeared on static shock because superman and it's pretty much the same model drawing as it was in the justice. League has static shot is in that continuity of comics cartoons though i'm not as familiar with we've talked about before i never got to watch the show because it just came on. I watch all of justice league and justice league unlimited honestly to hit dvd. A friend of mine owned them all and i borrowed them and i probably watch. I think all of it in two days live at back to back to back like i loved it and and then i went out and bought it. 'cause it was just. It was on that time i was busy with life in cartoon network was very unreliable. Didn't always have dvr and my mom doesn't believe didn't believe in cable with my dad wasn't home he's he was gone a lot for work and It was just hard to keep up with stuff. I just you know saw it as it came on. This is during that kind of slowly. We're we're about to enter the kind of the decline of the kids. Wbz and saturday morning cartoon air so sad. It is core to honestly cartoon network killed at all. I'm not going to go to tanja here once you got cartoon network and they could do what they wanted and you stop getting every station competing for cartoons at once slowly stopped being less cartoons. They started to make less choice when they started. And that's why you see the same kind of toy lines repeated over and over and you don't really see new toys for new properties because one makes new properties anymore and that started the decline of toy stores. But as i can you right now like it's all a conspiracy man you know used to watch like. They had cartoons. Come on real quick. Throw these at you called vortex. Beast wars mummies alive or like at six o'clock seven o'clock in the morning weekdays but those things sold toys like every cartoon had a toy line. That's why it breaks my heart to wash the toys that made us because we don't have that energy anymore. You know everything had the toy line and you go to toys and i would see like power rangers. Vr troopers beetle bores mass writer. X-men spiderman street sharks Warriors virtue every toys to you had the warriors virtue you had iron man from the iron cartoon in the fantastic four the hulk and savage dragon and spawn. He didn't even have a cartoon. Respond toys had nicotine but it was for adults. Colony animated series batman we x. Series toys like you know now. Everything's made for our generation as collector's market and i mean really arjun ratios are made for grownups yes. I walked around the toys with the kids the other day. And i'm looking at them like they just put back. The original human action figures like they're repackaging. The originally he man action figures and they have the. They're reselling to us trying to pass onto our children but that's a whole nother podcast for another day. So the two thousand four and we are at the batman voice. Superman is now voiced by george new bern again so we were keeping with that. His classic batman voice army superman in the batman and his his look still pretty classic. Little darker fit into that animation. Style of the batman. Why he has. Batman has a little more of a rounder. Looking jaw line. Superman still has his square jaw. Trunks looks looks good in. I mean it looks a little. I mean brandon rathi. You know just the body frame style. What do you think is is the. It's very classic. I mean it's straight classic but Yeah he's he's very lean tall strong. I haven't actually gone to that point. In the batman yet the batman becomes a whole new show at season three just because they change the song. That's when they do something different where they introduce back girl before. Do robin And they said that's cool. They bring her in season four. They being robin in. And i really like robin in the batman and then the last season five thinks when we get all the other justice league. People in yeah. I haven't gotten that far i was. I'm in season three so all right moving on the next one is a one and done episode. But worth mentioning crypto. The super dog ran from two thousand and five to two thousand and six on kids. Wbz or the cw kids network because it all started to change and superman was voiced by. Michael dangerfield this was a trip to the super dog. It was an okay series but my kids enjoy it. And that's all matters. So i actually ended up purchasing this series for my tunes because i bought one episode just to try it out and kind of just like have a reference and the kids liked it so much on the deck and we watch another one and i just ended up buying the whole series. And you know they like it and enjoy it. Sailor told me that some of the most beautiful things. I've ever heard that we get a new dog. Were naming it crypto town. Nice job daughter away one. That's my girl white puppy but this is still very classic but it's very brightly colored very soft light lens feel the faces softer. The hair shorter doesn't really have the pop curl as much and he's only been in one episode so put worth pointing out because it was representation and then here we go james. Here's our manned two thousand six to two thousand eight legion of superheroes voiced by yuri lowenthal. This is our young clark. We has more of that messy hair little bit more stick figure lean. Small has a legion built has legion symbol in. It and i mean it's a good look. We spoke about it when we watched the pilot when he puts the suit on and it shrinks down and to fit him You know it was pretty cool but all this just a classic suit. All the cape's worth mentioning route going back real quick. We are all about top of the boot length. Yes so after yeary here. Our next one is roger. Rose who voiced superman batman brave and the bold and this is the shortest cape. I've ever seen on superman. Yes yes it is. It's just it's halfway down the thigh. Yeah and he's very up for me. He's very like just like the animation style member even the bowl period like very big very like big arms. Still very top heavy. You know what i'm saying. Still very very in that. Bruce timm stylus but very top heavy big and broad barrel-chested looking man right. So why does it as wide as a side of a barn right. I mean they were going to pick him out of out of crowd. Yeah but then the next we get that many people stand like four and a half feet wide shoulder to shoulder. We get in two thousand ten young justice. Where superman is voiced by nolan. I've actually come to really appreciate his superman voice because he voices both superman and conner on the show the he just he just he just Pitches up his voice a little bit so he sounds Slightly younger as super boy than he does. Superman but i like this look of superman. Classic little darker reds More more proportionate but not not maroon in you know the square kinda style for young justice but actually really liked nolan's for he's probably my fourth favourite superman voice and we'll get into voices are he doesn't get to be. He hasn't to be superman all that often show is on the young the young people so he's definitely super bowl more often than he is superman. And that's why. I never really thought of him. Much like the superman voice but we watching it now where. Brian was doing his first. Ever watch how that's possible. I mean i've basically been praising this show in united when season three dropped and he hadn't watched it but he came over about a week ago. I think it was and we're trying to figure out what kind of hang out. Watch the kids around. So we picked up with him where he was watching young justice and solomon became like engrossed in it and we watched it before. But it's like he just he didn't pay a lot of attention to it and now he's in it and like he is in it so we went back. And we've we've finished season one for the point where we watched it with brian but then we went back to the beginning. We're watching it and you know he is really enjoyed it. And that's why. I'm like paying attention to some details differently and paying attention to nolan voice. All right next slide. All the more the more you watch that show the more you the more you pick up the more you see the The different nuances of all of the characters on screen. Not just the main ones you see repeatedly so the next one is dc superhero friends with was like a kids. Play show i. I was doing my research fairy. You can tell. It's very new. Fifty two inspired us can't two thousand ten. That's what it said. I researched it drops in eleven. So i don't know but that's what it said online. Very kids block he toy fisher. Price based program if voiced by matthew mercer just doesn't look like the The dc super friends toys. That are four little kids like what's the name of that line the imagine x. Imagine action a bunch of barristers. Look just like that and cool. Because i'll tell you one thing. I've learned by teaching children is they. Don't respond as quickly to superman The flash everyone response to batman. But they don't know these characters like they should because they're not producing content for kids. They're not you know. We have dc superhero girls which is a great show that i've come to love watching with my daughter and teen titans go that's it but that's that's something else we can put on the next slide. Czar man right here. Justice league action twenty. Sixteen superman voiced by the great jason lewis and this is animated superman proportionate ask for what is longer cape still very blocking much like justice action stuff is very two dimensional feeling. Yes i know. It's all two dimensional but just perception of unpaid as very imaging like the creation of a three d. realism. I love jason's voice of superman. He's in my top three. It's kind of a shuffle between him. Tim daly and george nice. And i wish jason would get more work superman. Yeah i mean. I think it's good the way that they've used teen titans to Dt titans go and introduce Different characters you would normally see through teen titans But also justice league action. They showed so many different people on so many different levels and with the shorter time time limit. They did for each a mini episode. it They were able to show and introduce a lot of different characters. yes yes. They had a lot of cases annuity. Nobody makes like serious shows anymore. Like like like one of my favorite episodes on that is when cyborg is playing Playing a video game in they're controlling. Superman wonder woman and batman inside. Work has to play against an arcade. The tweet tweet tweet man two women. Yeah you've got to me. I am wonder woman. I saw a lot of great. I mean just the action was actually a really great show. I cannot believe like it hasn't got anymore like the toy line was cool for. It had the small figures and then add the twelve inch figures. We have a couple of the twelve inch figures. I think i'm the small was on the cartoon network right. Yes it was. So why isn't it on. Hbo mex- i don't know streaming anywhere. It's not because it was on hulu. It was yeah because we were going to work on. This is another one that i bought back when it first came out and i bought it like one episode at a time because i wanted to watch and i didn't have cable or anything and i was like i really want to watch this. Show back in twenty sixteen when we had an explosion or superman. You know we had this. We have this came on december of two thousand sixteen but or was it twenty fishing. I remember too much time. It's still says just as the action is on hulu when i pull up my where's at streaming app. But i'm pretty sure. If i go to not there i'll look. I'm hoping if it's there you gotta have like the live. Add on or something probably yes. You're absolutely correct. It's there and it says. Watch with live tv. So yeah Let's just that needs to be come to hbo max. It was a great show. We went to mcdonald's to try to track down all the action figures but that was the last kind big i think. Dc push for some sort of kids animation as we'll see with our next slide which is and once again this is very classic superman trucks and all and it's voiced by james wolk and he's not an very much but it was worth mentioning. I think as i was building this he hadn't appeared on the series and thin. He showed up. And i put him on this side show. But it's a good. Look the blue for superman as tend to go a little a little softer little softer tones of blue Since since the since the earlier animation episodes there's just a hard royal blue and so the next slide will jump to superman's appearance on dc superhero girls. Ironically he didn't appear on the other dc superheroes girls. I think it was actually just called. I think once called superheroes on wants dc superhero girls. I think they're actually both dc superheroes confusing but the the original dc superhero girls. They kind of started on youtube and then they made them into movies right directed. Dvd movies and then they decided to kind of like they. I guess they probably got a decent response from that. And they made it into a animated shell. But which is on netflix. Which is crazy because the youtube videos are just about as long. There's a couple of minutes long but they're so well done and there was such a huge explosive toy line for it. You know there was a huge toy line for all of this or dolls and stuff. There is a different sized dolls and toys and like costumes and they made the home videos. Which i have all three of them. I have two of them. I think i think the third one with the newest one of the atlantis one is on. Hbo max last time. I checked and then they do this show which is like a complete reinvention and re redesigned and they have the twice for this and right one right would sealer gets hooked on supergirl and i want to go get her a good super girl doll. They took they reduced the price and sold out of all. These toys came and find these toys anymore. And i've noticed. I've noticed having kids. It's what they do the first season they do a huge push merchandise on stuff and then they get rid of it like solomon discovered lying guard right as like the indices in one and then like all the stores got rid of all the lion guard toys and lingard bedding and all that stuff. Like with your kid you want yet yet. Disney was still putting out new episodes but they had no merch for it. Which doesn't make sense. But anyway superman very classic very bright. Bright blue The bright blue compromised. Chris reeve style suit compared to kara to has a darker. More maroon red here in the photo. And i very much like the early supergirl tv series costume. Last slide is kind of our segue into from tv into film styles because this is our nicholas cage teen titans superman he seen in the actual tv series with no speaking parts but when they put him in teen titans coach the movies. It's nicholas cage. And it is once. He had a very bright blue miss. Proportioned superman yeah very top. Heavy mean animation in that show anyway. I mean everybody's got stick legs and they're all just they're nothing but upper body even even skinny beast boy. Yeah and then. So the next slide is kind of a it's a big slide because i wasn't gonna break down every one of these but the lego version There's tons of direct to video. Lego dc stuff. I am classic batman. You probably get batman in the later ones without trunks. Maybe but but yet are all very classic batman or superman. There's a. There's a couple without trunks. I i've seen. There are some most of them with. It's worth mentioned. That nolan north has done a lot of the lego direct to video super invoicing So it's nice to see him back like what's needed. I really got into these movies. When they did the did it flash aquaman and then they did the batman one with the head the red hood and then that one ties right into the new one. That's the che's am one. They're starting to make them a continuity in the lego movies. Wow direct so Of course you know solomon loving red heard. I had to get the red hood. Batman went for him and then I'll play by the one. If i can find it at black friday. Because that's where. I bought. The i found like the two three dollar. Dvd sales yeah so you probably get those real cheap on black friday. Why i make a list and go look and then In the actual batman lego batman movie that was released in theaters. superman was voiced by channing. Tatum now film so these are more movies or in the animation market direct to video but our first one is our beautiful nine hundred forty one but koehler superman the animated series or another. I made series. I'm getting tired and drinking coffee Yeah that one that we reviewed was the fault again fleischer studios we good tyler. Love the s. We've talked in length about this one it's a classic and then the next one. Would you believe this. The next one is two thousand. Six superman brainiac attacks. Wish by tim daly and this is such a weird one because it looks like it should be in the bruce timm universe. But it's actually not. It's a standalone but they use all the character models and it's a horrible. I got a dollar to just to have like referencing for it. Yes i think. I've watched it once and i. It's bad i haven't seen it yet and i'm weary because that's all i've ever heard you need to need to watch it once experience just like anything else. You just need to watch back tear. Why right so okay. So our next big giant stupor. Bada cam eric superman. It can't be that bad to two thousand seven. Which is the superman doomsday. Which is the start of the direct to video films and the dc animated feature line. And this one is weird because they drew like some weird lines on his face that make him like look award in like beat up a very classic kind of looked but it's darker tones. It's like they aged up the brute. The bruce town style and gave a little bit more color layers. But the face is just odd. Yeah i never liked those lines. It's like they like hyper accentuated. His cheekbones or something we access two thousand eight were at justice league new frontier. Oh eight tasks stick adam baldwin. Did the voice of superman and superman doomsday. It wasn't bad. Did a decent job. I was pointing out that okay so new frontier love it. I mean it straight up is the comic book brought to life. It has more of like the trump's that are more like shots has the big s on the black voice by kyle mclaughlin. Who didn't do a bad job. No but you know they give them the. Give him the superman speech and you know he does the big clap and gets everybody's attention and you know the character just draws the attention and reverence next. Slide is the superman batman public enemies in two thousand nine for us by tim. Daly and this where basically greek god looking comic book characters brought to life. Yeah ed mcguinness are basically brought to brought up to animation. And i mean they. Everybody is an donnas. Figure like they're all just beyond jacked Two thousand nine. Tim daly's or or basically getting a superman year you know. Two thousand ten is crisis justice league crisis onto earth's voiced by mark harmon. He did okay. I mean but it's very much. The animation style for this very much feels like what becomes young. Justice is very similar. The man looks this story. this story was was written. Was supposed to be like a story or a movie or something that was going to bridge. The gap between where justice louis ended before justice league unlimited. So that's why they cast of characters and everything is who they are. And i kind of wish they had just done this as an end continuity bruce timm universe film but yeah i mean it it did. It did a really good job. And maybe that's where they came up with the idea for the justice lords instead so now we're in two thousand. Ten instance superman batman apocalypse voiced by tim. Daly and this art is different. Little bit more over drawn in some ways. Like i don't like the way batman looks his face but it is very similar to the art pulled directly from the comic and i cannot remember who did the art for this but it is like the comic book art brought to life colors a little darker. The cape is bigger. And it's a great film though. Yeah i definitely is The trinity versus dark side and his minions bree awesome. Two thousand ten gives me one of my favorite shorts ever hate that. It's a short. But it's superman superman being voice by george newborn again and superman. He looks good here at the animation is on point probably favorite. I like the colors to always really liked the blue. Sorry no no no. i'm with. You is what. I'm saying like going through it like this kind of looking. This is probably what my favorite looking animate superman it is. I don't know where. I would rank it but just it looks realistic but not overdone. The colors work very personal. Yeah like this. This may be my favorite anime. Like if i was hoping. I'd love to see a series like this like man i'm actually skin later so next two thousand eleven is all star. Superman voiced by james denton. And once the end this is a very much the comic book art brought to screen. It looks good soft features big barrel chested overly done. The trucks look more short esque compare to actually being mike a brief and yeah yeah The and the end just beyond the superman suit here the animation they for clark kent in that he's very hunched over and stuffed throughout the enemy. Shen like they did a very good job. And they're they're copying like the the way that they personified the character in the all star book as well but You know they did a very good job of doing that. In the animated movie. Now we're two thousand twelve with justice league do voiced by tim. Daly this the animations good but it's not my favorite We're not to my love. The movie though i do too. We're not to my one. I hate but i do like this movie. It is a good movie. The voice cast is amazing. The suit there's a little lighter very classic we haven't really departed much just the classic superman but we're getting there. Yeah i mean. Gold belt round buckle red trunks whether they're brief sir shorts but yeah so here we here's a here's kind of a jump here This very special film place. In our hearts two thousand twelve superman vs elite voiced by george newburn and this is the very. I liked this movie a lot but the animation. I don't always love because it is different from the comic book page and the animation is almost very like cartoon ask like. It could draw the attention of a child more. I think the riga terriorial is very serious and and brutal and nature. If you did this story in the animation of superman from this zam it would be amazing. Oh my god. Because i love this story like. It's one that i i wash like. Oh i like that. But i was so turned off by superman. Looks overly sized. Almost eight blake. He's just big hockey in a blunt and but once again having that familiar voice does help because just kind of listen to. You can kind of think the other style superman that you've seen it's george. We should've kept tally of who appears more. Now get a two thousand and twelve so two thousand twelve has three different superman Because we have the dark knight returns was two thousand. Twelve two thousand thirteen It's mark valley and he did all right Once again a lot of times with these. I think they try to get different casting styles to kind of go with the other people in the cast and frank miller's superman brought to life is a big boxy right will. They want the personification of what was done in the comic book. You know so. Bring somebody who can fit that particular role as opposed to somebody who's made superman their own for years. Exactly that's why the peter weller. Doing the voice of batman. I think works. But i wouldn't want like continued peter weller batman animated series. So this brings the two thousand thirteen summer with superman unbound which is great one that i watched because wanted to good movie good story. It's got super girls something for my daughter to be thrilled about. And we're we're voiced by matt bomber boomer however you pronounce his last name who is one of the few people to voice who could play superman in live action and he currently. If you're like who's that he portrays negative man on patrol. Yeah he's the voice for negative man and plays. Larry larry trainor. He was in the running at the time before. Cavill got the role exactly To be a live action superman. And it's kinda sad. Because he i think he would have been amazing. I mean that that. I don't want cavill but i'm just saying like he's great job and i liked the animation for this little. Miss proportion would've rebulk up but once again gave the animation in. This is very much kind of brenner. Ralph style when i stayed at his. You're live model where it's slender but yet still looks buff. You know but more slender muscular and athletic but and then so what's the in two thousand thirteen. We got multiple animated superman. And we're gonna jump now to the one. That i hate with all fabric of my being is two thousand thirteen justice. The flash point paradox. Superman is voiced by sam daily. Son of tim daly. So that's cool but dude. I hate the way. Superman looks In the early part of the film before flash point and of course will weird in flash point where he's all skinny 'cause they can't underground he looks mis proportioned weird key very bad bad anime style. And that's i mean. He looks horrible when they first comes into the museum he looks a little. He looks a little bit better when he is out there and he grabs the the belt on the guy. And he's just holding his hand around the bomb but Yeah the first entrance into the museum. The flash museum. Yeah it looks terrible. This is my least favorite. all right. next least favourite is next one that nobody's ever seen. That was kind of forgotten. I don't even know what really this thing was. Other than. I found the dvd for a dollar. It was a direct to video kids. Justice league trapped in time released in two thousand fourteen. Peter jessup did the else. Have the superman new fifty two esque to him and just looks block. He in very cheaply done but worth mentioning for this podcast. Now two thousand and thirteen here. We we wait. That was thrown in there. Because i put that in the wrong place because we get into now two thousand and thirteen justice league war voice by allen touch this one stands out because even though we're now entering the continuity films just war has a slightly different voice cast than the what will carry on and a little bit more of a different design than we'll carry on but this is straight up animated new fifty. Yeah i mean very very jim lee. You know where justice league war was was based off of Justice league origins the first six issues of the new fifty two run by geoff johns and are by jim lee and league war they lay. They put the animation style. As just that. So i mean and so that segues into our next slide which is the connected films two thousand and fourteen to twenty twenty where subaru in his voice by jerry. O'connell and that includes. The thrones of atlantis justice. The teen titans Just the dr death of superman reign of the superman hush and apocalypse war We'll see where we have. The standard tune inspired suit. And then we have the republican suit that appears at the end of rain features prominently in hush and then his blip and you miss it in apocalypse war i liked the reborn suit. You and i've talked in length about being one of the best suits. Yes definitely i mean. I like the animation for the new fifty two style suit that he wears throughout the early films. Jerry o'connell i. I love his voice as superman you know he he was he was zam back in justice league unlimited and he did a good job there and i think he graduated got got to Graduate to superman and he did a great job and his chemistry with his real life. Wife rebecca romaine as lois lane Stands out well for their interactions in death and rain and apocalypse war. Our right so it. Just kind of moving swiftly romo's done here Just as versus the fatal five thousand nine hundred eighty s. Basically just is the same bruce. Timm animation George new bern does the voice again. twenty twenty brings us to read son which is just worth mentioning. Because it's superman bruce. Tem style superman with breads son Color scheme. I think the i think the red sun skin in injustice the first one is really good. Yes i thought about three video games on here but we say that for another day and the last one we have is the most recent which is super wait. Jason isaacs did the voice in red sun which is good. He did a good job. We're jason isaacs doing russian. Yeah and then the last one. We have is superman. Man of tomorrow with darren criss during the voice and the animation is weird in a good way like i just kind of still. An nation is odd but watching emotion. I don't mind. I like it. I've actually this film grown on me a lot. I like a lot about this film. Yeah there are things. I don't there are things i do. Like about the film on his suit not particularly one of them at length before they don't need to go back to the trunks but i'm okay especially since it was an origin story. I suppose plan. Yeah i told you before. I think i'll think trump's and comics animation. Whatever just live action. you know. it doesn't work. I mean they got. They got it to work for the brandon. Routh suit. But i don't really see it working well for like cavill or tyler as a continual going forward especially in that kind of material and stuff but i love the color just the brightness of this daring christie great job doing the voice and i think that brings us up to modern time. I think that's you know nothing's happens. Animation wise was superman. Sense the only thing we mentioned is just there really wasn't anything and it's not on here. Is the david hasselhoff. Voicing their superman metal in the like motion comic clip but they trailer the comic. For but yeah. This is superman animation. Lotta great voices. Check them out on youtube. I'll try to throw some links in the notes. I some of them and my favorite still george. Tim and jason check out that. Check out the clip of george. At the end of justice league unlimited. When he's talking about the whole world being made of paper oh do that when he's fighting dark side to this very good but having to not having to hold back. I mean especially from a superman in the animated series. That is very much a de powered superman you know. That was one thing in the animated series. They brought down his power level. A lot to really make it had him fight and it works for so but we're going to kind of app up. We've been going a little long winded here. I know james is tired. I'm tired and on forever. That's not really our goal. We want people to enjoy what we have to say. Please shut up guys saying we want to go forever as just keep making episodes not talk continuously forever. Yes this is true right. Anybody have any questions thoughts comments. 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"Greetings scenarios this is seen in nerd. I'm sarah belmont and with me as always is our mr producer. Well harry tonight will do very well sir. Happy monday. How're you doing. High tariffs state of you still to save them for my workshop leader but is else good so i think i will do that. Our listeners. Something to look forward to you because you're gonna do it at work you might as well put it on twitter right exactly exactly very drug topic and make it even more make maybe spice it up a bit. I mean what are you talking about. Gerard topic you're talking about flooding. True was kobe hurricanes. Earthquakes you name it. What podcast are we listening to right now. I know this isn't about will's work life. Trust me we don't. I would be put to sleep in ten minutes. No no we do have headlines stock about Before we talk about mandalorian season three the most recent episode. The harris but I there's so many frigging announcements okay. Let's start off with the one. That i least care about but is interesting this ads. M- mickelson will is in negotiations to replace johnny depp from the fantastic beasts franchise. Okay like last week over talking about it. I was over. It is in negotiations. I am okay. The app as the crease chief. I mean many different roles nine. Mads mikkelsen is a great actor. He he he. He does find himself kind of pigeonholed in the in the role however he is just so good in that role. And i'm thinking of another actor to compare him to but i can't think of that actor's name But but this is. This is good news. I still at the end of the day and kind of won't wanna On fantastic beasts as a whole. But i mean this at least kinda shifts the conversation more negative or more positive than definitely definitely. I think it whenever this news broke last week. On top of all the stuff going on with johnny depp and then of course there of course all the titians to cancel amber heard and cancel. Johnny depp we you know it's like okay what we're going to cancel the day but But whenever solve this news that match was in the negotiation to step into the grim to all and it was definitely like you said really sold on the casting if You know if you if you wanna have one of those games where you like play casting director. He's definitely one of those individuals that would carry this role and in have the gravitas as you're saying to do it. And and and really hope resurrect this franchise which You're right. I mean it has between drinking rolling at johnny depp. As miller is this thing has had so many like Negative hits on it. That i feel like the movie itself in has been most with all offscreen stuff going on with members of the cast and creative team. So i think this was. This was good And you know they're in production now and if he steps in and Comes in and i think you'll hear will right. The ship so to speak and people will be very excited to see him. You know a do remember like for example. He was great that one an and and so It's it's definitely a plus for this franchise which was do you need right now. Yeah yeah speaking about Wbz flops. Let's talk about the d.c year. A move back on on newest. Thanks gone suicide. Scott suicide squad. Company freaking cast members. Do you need as we cover. Like the expendable. Which i mean yeah. Fair fair point considering it was announced sylvester stallone is going to join. This cast. probably only two get killed from for like a minor moment on the screen. I just i. Now the footage we saw during the phantom event i liked i was brought on board. I was reengaged in this. However since then they continue to drop names of people joining the cast and unlike a we don't need more people to me when an ensemble still freaking tricky. And i know it's james gone i i know but still don't have. Many people like took guardians of the galaxy and expanded it by by three. So i just. I worry and i worry about the screen time that polkadot man will have a man we. We may have seen all screen. Time dc fandome. Well well you know the interesting hope not obese around for for for a while longer but the thing about this casting. Stallone was one of things that james gunn negotiated with dc as far as storytelling with the new suicide. Squad was that everyone is fair game and so to your point of growing this cast is almost to like we're growing the cast so much that You know we will be able to dispense with captain boomerang and others pretty pretty quickly in a component spots in this film so You know if you're going to do an action movie. Stallone bringing some of the elder statesman elder action film stars to the mix like stallone. Or or you know a disjuncture. I wouldn't be surprised if arnold shows up and Just just just for this to have that fun as seeing them in this in this type of film and Do you think that both s stallone are are very under appreciated as far as the craft their as as acting chops. So you know so. I think it'll be fun to see them in this film and i actually i have still on board with it and And still very excited to see this particular version. Yeah yeah And which which is which is tough. Because you and i still haven't even seen original i have. I have no desire to twitter. All the peoples released air cut. But a mike. Yeah well you know. I think that that that that type of thing only works once in a while. You can't dislike kind of petitions and distinct that the studio is going to throw another seventy to one hundred million dollars at a film Unless the snyder cut does big numbers and then all set in. It's like yeah. Where's that air cut. However they are doing the air cut. That's why the joker will appear in the snyder cut. You'd be you know that was all a part of the original plan way back into. Where does that was such a popular rendition of that beloved character. Yeah yeah i get it Speaking about dc. Just being you know the suicide squad. Spinoff peacemaker casting news Will what is the news of the cast. They have added four people. This is the spin off. The peacemakers seen his character and the wide movie and The past week announced four digital cast members Danielle brooks from orange's new black black is cast to play a character named liotta out of auto and robert patrick From terminator two fame. is cast as a character name smith and think about these two characters they seem to be completely original to this to this universe As far this aspect of the multi that they haven't been in any previous iteration suicide squad or any other dc Comic adaptation so. Those are the people that are added and then just a jennifer holland is reprised. Her role from the movie stars. Amelia harcourt and chuck. Chris conrad is planned. Vigilantes last adrian chase which of course. Yeah so so. Of course folks room. Of course from aro- remembers adrian. Chase says of horse As prometheus and there was a different character. He can't Under he was with black canary diet. But i can't remember. I just remember that Died i don't remember his name. Yeah but but yeah but injuries but he won't be a turk at the a in In this peacemaker series so uh so again we we have learned. Many times stood. Multi verse had is well stocked with many different versions of these characters. I i don't know i. I know the twists. That ero did on adrian trait chase but that was such a beloved character in the in the long run and such a special season granted like most things they never stick ending with those characters. But i just. I hesitate because i associate so much of era with it Then again. I'm not even sure i'm sold on this show to begin with because i haven't even seen suicide squad too. I don't even know snow of there's ridiculous cost you ridiculous. Yes we'll see what happens with that there. Has there has been a release date for this this show yet obviously. The film is still in production. So i guess they'll pick up right after that. 'cause james gunn is also behind the spin off as well. Yeah yeah. I think he's got some projects to sort through and get get all planned out. i guess he's playing the twenty twenty card like sign me up for everything you will never add. I just i wanna make sure when it does then. I'll figure out what i should prioritize. Probably walk away from a few projects exactly guardians of the galaxy three. Yes and we will get to that but Before we do we do have one One last night of the dc phil news to get through Because you know this headline never gets old. Nineteen eighty-four may goethe hbo. Max shocker in january. Twenty twenty one or delay until summer. Twenty twenty one because wb continues to prove they have it all figured out Yeah no i think. Honestly i think what will happen with this film. It may still some limited release a christmas just so they can just get it in the theater. Make a little bit of money. Even though at this rate nobody you know no theater. Open two four to go to The way things are these days with with kobe but i i think it will be they. They need they need subscribers to hbo. Max at this point and this will be and this would be a way that they like disney do with disney plus dead with the mandalorian with this past summer with hamilton. This'll be a great opportunity for hbo max to really get subscribers to come sign on up platform. Yeah yeah. I mean you. And i have been raving about. Hbo max because a lot of their series we've discovered over the past several months than and have adored but that those series they are. They're hbo It's it's it's not as universally adored and And thought after as much as a superhero film. So so i completely agree with you and you know it just would be nice if they they dropped it because then disney can has more motivation to do counter programming. Not even counter programming. But just caruana that in say to drop your female superhero. Movie will drop ours to see who gets most well. This plus as the was a seventy three million drivers at this point so experience allowed to catch up on because they only have around eight. But i just i think doug how much sat number which change if they just released black widow run ads. You know for for considering what what it did. When when they dropped. Hamilton i think majority of those seventy three came from hamilton. Because i i know. I was one person. End of season one of mandalorian. I'm like shut down everything else then. Hamilton drops resume he stuck around houston and he stuck around go. Mandalorian was right on his heels. I i started to watch a few videos movies. That i haven't seen before and i just let it play it out and I think i did turn it off for one month. And then i when i- repurchased. I purchased the bundle because i was also going through thing where i was trying to better manage my subscriptions i hear the man Speaking about date changes on subscription services. I don't i don't like this. I i disagree with everyone's saying that they need a break. No we need more confidence. One division has been bumped to january. Twenty twenty one. Don't i don't like it cited for christmas. You know off the crown. And then i was going to have like a a some some geek. Being in december announced postponed freaking january. Hope i know. Yeah yeah you know. It was one of those things where assault what media thought. They're also like oh boy. Do i share this news with before all twitter account. Yeah goes Yeah because i know we. There's been as as time has gone on. We've gotten more Interested in this in this particular project and and so. When i saw that it was going to january i i i was also bombed because i one i think is gonna be obvious that there's mcu at all this year and then but to Know it was. I was starting to look forward to this particular a particular show and and it was it like you was like okay. Here's something to watch over the holidays and and an all that and now we've got to wait until january fifteenth. So sort of like okay. Well alrighty then Ac- company weeks stars mandalorian count luigi star trek discovery. So yeah you know got you know. Maybe that will be given an opportunity to build the boy with some of the things. I've been trying to catch up on over the holidays. Yeah yeah. I'm sure we'll we'll find things There is a lot of content out there at the and a lot of us over of the months when there's heavy content you think yourself i'll get to that against that and then when you have downtime secondly it's like like we were. I was really behind on lovecraft country. That was aaron for good six weeks before i jumped on it so it happens. It's just it's just disappointing. Because we're we have already gone through months and months of these movie release dates just gambling and roque my heart when i heard about the batman so not over it and so to then be told. Okay you're not getting a winter soldier falcon but you are getting one division. We just have to move it to the end and then even not gets moved to a little bit. It's kinda like okay. stop playing with. Yeah yeah grip shin right now. Exactly exactly. I guess that's the thing it's like okay. I can understand if it was a production delay or something like that but just because they were figuring people are having like. Oh big shows a show fatigue or something like that but sue close to after the mandalorian wraps or whatever. This is like being though. We're we content to so. I do have a theory about it And maybe this is just me being wishful and knowing me. I never get anything right so i. I doubt this will happen. But i was thinking about it Because you're absolutely right it. They're not even saying it's a production. Delay it just is delayed for whatever reason and we just got done talking about wonder woman nineteen eighty-four and all of the dewey drop at doing not and if you remember when they first announced phase four Black widow came first. Yeah and then. It was winter soldier and then it was one division so i honestly there is the chance. This is all just because they wanted to get black widow drops first and then something happens there that they want the audience know about before they go into one division possible very possible. I really do you know yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. I think that there's there is definitely there always have a the big big picture in these films. And and you're right it very well could be a plot point and the black widow film that is very integral to to wander vision especially given that one is going to be as a springboard to the multi-diverse right right and and we all know that not black widow is kind of a prequel and and so there. It's already messing with timelines. Three you don't want to delay it too much su su. There's a chance that that's what's going on. But but again. I never get anything right so no. Don't get your hopes up. But we can get our hopes of about one thing because disney also like will drop bad news and then replace it with goodness and thank the lord. They dropped this piece of news. Chris pratt will be it. Thor love and thunder his part replaced. Natalie portman part. Because i'm not really like yeah. Yeah well you know. It was good seeing seeing her back in game. And of course an and it makes sense that star. Lord and chris chris pratt shows up and this particular film because Those you know when we last saw four and star lord were hitting off together in game so It's surfing i like. We just got our lauren. Hawk buddy cop film. I'll potentially we get a little adventure between star lord thuerer and may were great together in endgame an infiniti work so just alike it along and and i can't you know the thor who we got Completely works with guards the galaxy. I just i love it and you can never have too much curse. Apparently never have too much all right. We do have a few more headlines to get through in terms of tv shows of black lightning announced that they are looking at doing a spin off featuring painkiller and promoted series regular shantelle as grace choi and now is she going to be in the spin off. No so The painkiller spin office. They're doing a backdoor pilot in the seventh at their season. Coming up and so Yeah so obviously with the back door. Sometimes they'll they'll get picked up and other times. They won't like for example green arrow and the canaries but Yeah i think. They george galloway at this stigma. Character painkiller You know we. We've talked about this before especially when You know season one two when you were really falling by quite a lot closer An an and his relationship with jennifer pierce and and it he definitely is one of the one of the standout the characters in the end the show and his whole arc with tobias and Then then become an agent of asa whenever they manipulated him to do their bidding and then of course as last season Hit him trying to you. D program all the things that they had trained him to do. It's been a great arc with this particular character. some. I'm looking forward to looking forward to this Him being Is on show chantal. Tweet is far as a great joy. Thunder grace Very the course. Even i guess pre bat woman. You had an peers. The first at least on television one of the first out lesbian african american superheroes herself know before zia with fat woman so And you know and of course graces relationship their relationship and How she's very integral especially in his last season. Helping the team read Freedland of the asa and the The ins who were getting the green light into the into the area. So it's really cool. See how the show has grown and it's always been to me one of the more grounded shows as far as the now now officially part of the air errors so i'm very excited for for both of them as as we go into season four the of black lightning. Yeah and and speaking about really if they're going to replace era than deadly versus. Call it the burland. Tapers can his world and for some reason just can't help himself because he's looking at adding another show to that lineup probably In light of the news that supergirl is headed off the air. The this final season and This show is that he's currently looking at is wonder girl and will feature a latino lead And obviously will be in development at. Cw it is. This broke late this afternoon where it's The the new wonder girl centers on As you mentioned latina dreamer who she'll her name is Yara floor and and as part of the whole new dc Future projects in the comic books where I think she's future future. Wonder woman so So in this tv version. She'll be one wonder. Go must spokeswoman thinking wonder girl of course folks are familiar with donna joy from titans But this particular character Will be yes. She's you know part amazon and and also brazilian river god and she learns that. She's wonder girl she's of course going gonna use earning found powers to fight evil and the The show runner of this particular project is down. Rodriguez She was the Pope showrunner kosher runner of queen of the south which a lot of folks I like a friend veronica. She watches that show quite a bit. And i've seen others as well Thinking on usa so So it seems as we are. I think it's fair to say that the heroes are getting browner are yeah. They don't they. Don't shying away from Granted recent reports that we've heard about some writers rooms all not as as equitable as we would like to are led to believe. But but yeah i think i think greg Understands how this is a verse. The way to make a verse isn't to have ten shows at all feature pretty much the same exact character Whether it be looks gender sexuality wise but to really have a diverse world ed to be able to Expand your audience because yeah they may not identify with superman but they can identify with black lighting so can choose. He doesn't care he doesn't it doesn't add. Eat or and as we saw with the inspired casting of jimmy as woman. I mean that you had to have an african american female lead and l. with paint putting painkiller you have another african. American male is the lead and with the show Whoever they cast his yara You'll have a latina so It's you know it's really right. I mean having the bramante verse in having a multi verse you can take. You can have a real diverse range of characters and people playing these characters. Which you know that i think that's that's a strong suit Four for this and You know and and and really gives Here's a lot of people opportunities to not only for professionally actors to to to to get roles and and delete folks and and other try. Hopefully doing the same thing behind the scenes but but also viewers kids and grown-ups can can have characters that look like them and every for their stories yet. It's it's looking good. I mean cw. I personally Given all the other content we're getting on. Hbo max the movie content It's it's still the cw though well yeah. I mean we can only talk about these si for so. This is a lot of news today. I mean we got some stuff in there to you and then of course last throwaway line space forces renewed but yeah exactly. That's looks renewed. Something and i don't even really wanna talk me into learning. I just wanna talk about something. Other than deeper. Jane mandalorian season three episode theory episodes four episodes three episodes serie that harris The big thing about this episode. Is you got boca tom. Katie soccer and not social banks. Which which sorry. I continue to laugh at considering. Everyone was so hyped to see sasha banks and then we get to her quote unquote episode only for her to have about two lines in it. And basically katie katie's episode actually funny whatever whatever. Sasha banks first appeared on screen. The first around i didn't realize it was her and then and then once wash wash it the second time i read the the dogs there Up put the two things together but Yeah yeah it's Definitely katie's episode much kenya's episode and very much. I think an episode design to really reward people who have watched clone wars and invest in other parts of this of this world which i have not and so for me personally i. I prefer last week's episode over this week's episode primarily because the action might know what it was about this week. I was bored during the action to the point where i skipped over a few pieces of that because they're obviously gonna take ownership. Why is this dragging out for ten minutes. I do so not a big fan of bryson. action choreography. There huh. i just. I there is something about last week. And how was shot. That made me as uncomfortable as i was watching. All of those freaking spiders made me keep watching and and and yeah they. It was basically like okay. How the heck are they going to get out of this. And what's apennine And this escalated quickly but but there was there was There was more. What is a good word. It was better paced or something about the action in. This is just like why are still on the ship. I think you know honestly when you mentioned that just now to me. I think it's like we've seen this type of seen before it's not. It's not new. I mean store store. Burs being down at the end of a corridor. Shooting at this case mandate mandalorian Is just you know. Plug and play stormtrooper. Shooting that hong kong laya or hot stormtrooper shoot net. You know obi wan whoever you know we. We've seen that before. I get your point that that was like we've seen this before. And it in your. Maybe it was a bit stale from a from. You know from the universe kind of thing. That is very very familiar Yeah i think you're right. I think it was the familiar. Eric of this whole setup now that being said having katie and her crew there and him in interact with them and We learn a little bit more about the lore of mandalorian at. She points out that he is a child of. I happen in my notes and i just cannot see it anywhere. What is what is what is. He's part of the dark watch. He is a child of the watch. Yes yes let's whose goal is to restore the ancient mandalorian way. Yes yeah yeah. He's like there. He's a fundamentalist bando mandalorian. His she her group is the night. Owls thinking what they were called. Who were not who were take off their helmets to go through helmets at. Yeah and and were Not i think they have other pieces of their sat. Basically doesn't followed with a lot of the other mandalorian do in including including jar jen's orders. Well so I thought that was that was good in a sense that it and as you said it was definitely pay off for fans who have watched cone wars who was rebels Too because they were familiar with a lot of that back story that More casual star. Wars fan is not But but i thought so. I think they did a good job of this plug in that piece of or into it. So that you know casual star. Wars fan could quickly pick up on the different philosophies within the mandalorian order. Yeah i i mean this this episode. I probably like sixty percent of it. And i didn't really care for forty percent of it and again it all goes back to that action Because last week we're talking that that episode predominantly was action and so to come off of that high end then to to get mixed get hit with this map mash up of character progression lower progression as well as a major high sequence And just a lot of squids off a lot of baby. Yoda getting karma Floor for his Dalliances with eggs in the previous episode so he got some payback and it is very But but overall i was just i guess i guess it really does come back. Come down to if you watch clone wars. You would love this episode. if you haven't though it would just be another episode of mandalorian. Nothing special though in my mind i have. I thought it was a special episode. I i agree with you that the action sequences were very familiar Didn't breaking new ground as far as Fight scenes or whatever like that but it It it it did a good job of tying things back to the overall big big pitcher the big story because we did. We got to see you. We learn about book time and the and also the significance of dark sabre that we saw in the season one and how she is wanted to get that and of course again. You know casual fan adler. We don't know all the back store. We don't get the full back story as far as why. The dark saber is so such a treasured artifact in mandalorian Culture and but but clearly it's very important to boca town and of course you know folks for me with the clone wars and and rebel series. That you know she was the leader and And the horses the black sabre was fashioned by the mandalorian who joined the jet ordering the of course left jed eye and all those all that all that methods to happen that Again to your point If you're not steeped in that animated star wars universe Then yeah this episode. Probably us kind of like okay. You know Feel like a missing missing missing pieces here as far as overall pitcher in the story but But i think but at least with india show. It did a good job of pulling things back because we didn't have to wait long to see gideon show up again And and so it was so we see him back and say oh yeah. He's you know so now we understand. Why boca todd is wanting to find a dark saber. Because month guinean has it. And so there's that piece there's also the thing i've thought about Before the empire is you know the remnants of the empire is still there and then functioning pretty pretty impressively when you're thinking that they're they're running weapons and stuff to to to other systems and As and still has their ships and True believers who are still fighting it out through the nell t to keep keep the keep their their power. So so you're seeing that aspect of a t- As far as what's going on into larger star wars universe at the time after after the battle of indoor so it was just it was boring. Because we've seen not places Over the past few episodes which but there was something about it that it was so subtle in it. They didn't hold on for so long that there was something about this. I just i was over with after five minutes and all right. These guys are boring. Well say. I enjoyed the most frogs family. Great the frogs are. Because it's mama frog papa. Frog why mando left. Yoda that aig. Killer with the throngs is beyond me But but apparently he was on his best behavior. Thank the lord on my think. I think he he got too many. He added a lot of squids thrown in his face. This episode and But i do. I do think though will that went all season to said and done. I don't think. And maybe i'm kind of like Jinxing us but i don't think this episode you'll look back and be like. Oh yeah episode. Three stand out. Because especially with. And i don't know much but i do recognize this name of a soka and she's common and i just i feel like this was an appetizer was a moves. Bouche moves bouch for for the the stories that are left to be held. The told the season and they're only getting started So yeah. I think you're right about that. I mean i think this definitely was Definitely a bridge episode a lot. A lot like episode led the episode that bryce dallas howard directed the first season Where they on the the the planet Where where they had all the farmers in the hudson stuff and and they came across the imperial Episode out of the one where they had the the Arouna and nine episode. Yeah i remember now. Yeah i think it was a bridge episode. Ables good solid Move the ball forward as far as the plot and yeah nothing to sepencer does the same definitely breathe. It reminds us of gideon's back is out there You know we mando didn't try the story of onto a bone with him finding others of his kind which i'm glad that they got right to it. interesting how. The seasons total setup mando find other mandalorian he has found other quote unquote. Mandalorian is just not who he's looking for. But i think is very smart in a Just just very similar to culture in our own world and how you like like Different cultures have different tribes in its. Yeah i'm i'm i'm looking for an alaskan native but but not this type of looking for this type and why is that important if you look at the fine print. There's very different Practices just it's a different version of that culture. And so i. I think that's a really smart idea to to kind of pay forward on that setup but also not having him immediately find what he's looking for and not have it dragged on too long and and expand that universe Yes so so. There was no santa. Subsidize will also loss. I've variety i appreciate What they did with waterworld a call mario. Every time i saw one of mario's tramp. I was looking forward those looking for someone to say it. I was like down the ones i like. How Looking back at the three episodes of season we start off desert planet. We then go to an ice planet and now we're at water world and so just okay. I see what you're doing. Keep keep change in scenery scenery. So week will be on the forest. The car weather's actually think is next week's episode easter thing or oh i have no idea well a yeah i know. He's directing one this season so But i'm other things we've been watching. I completely watched season form crown yesterday. Did you well. So because it's end up a standardized our the crown season for. I skipped one episode. Because i just. I'm i'm over princess margaret so i don't really care But overall i think that i still think season two is my favorite season. I i i real the diana and prince charles stuff. Great is exactly what you wanted to you. Want more of it in fact They're they they. They did a great job that my my one critique they they really make charles villain to it to a detriment To to kind of irredeemable place which which is not a smart thing to do Just because you you wanna you wanna have hoped for people to change and they really make it clear that no. He's an asshole. An end date to diana dawson. Still or you're just like kay all right. Well i get it But you're you're also it. It's it's interesting 'cause they almost make them appear so similar that they repel each other have been real it did. It did so so i really. I really liked the prince. Charles and princess diana part day. They you it is. It is their show For a lot of it margaret thatcher. Her presence was very interesting because they did a great job about really in a way. Paralleling diana's introduction to the royal family with margaret's and And and they both have very different introductions to the family and and they wind up in very different places at the end of everything. And i don't know much about margaret batter story or history But i i really liked her. Whole arc in the than they did a really good job. Her and Queen elizabeth played awfully each other brilliantly. This this this season is all about the ladies. It's all about ladies. Yeah yeah well of only watched the first episode And and not have have not finished to all of it but the made it's about the last fifteen minutes of it But i i agree with you On the Thatcher queen elizabeth And their how they play off each other. I when i whenever thatcher. I missed a queen. And i love the spoiler alert setup with a queen always having a game of picking the prime minister's cabinet yeah and and then when fatter was relaying that to your husband about hell. The queen had Victor had named all the members of our cabinet and her impressions of doing so It and not. I guess she how she she she had imagined. It was going to be one way but then she found the queen was entirely someone else. Then i was reading an article today and obviously and it's something we'll see as i wash the rest of the the rush rest of the season but They were talking about factor and and queen and both of them in their in their in their father. Daddy issues How similar their fathers were As far as Individuals and how it shaped their personalities and their styles of leadership and. Yeah so that's one of the things. I you know as far as i looking forward to things as far as this particular season and of course You you say. Charles it's painted as a villain it pretty much telegraphed in that first episode with how you how sticky and yeah and So i'm not. So yes i i'm looking forward to it. I i agree with you that so far of at least to date Second season definitely seems to be the strongest thought. The third season overall was It really the only episode that stood out to me is the aberfan episode and the end. The one we're charles goes off Those were the two and and And and under oath ellison to fatman with kevin. Smith embarked bernard and they were talking about. I guess bernard and the emmy voter he was saying at the aberfan. Episode was the one that They they have submitted for for amazon. I would agree with that. Because i thought the third season was played a little bit too much into soap opera element and not so much into the world affairs and things that were going on at a very critical time in her in her leadership Given that she's ten leader almost seventy years. I think this season they do a good job with having a few surprised standalone episodes about politics. And there's there's a great one off one About halfway through. And then there's one between her in a down essentially between her and in bachelor and and but but that article is spot on and they they do a great job explaining that throughout the season about how how similar they both are And yet they still have their differences and end. They still had respect it. It's just. It's a very interesting chess. Game that gets played between them that gets played with prince charles and princess diana and And and then even Who prince philip has an It has a good ending speech to kind of summarize what really the the pathos for the family was the season So overall i'm i'm pretty pleased with the season I think i had a little bit higher expectations but then again. I'm not underwhelmed like i was in previous seasons. Gotcha gotcha yeah. Yeah and. I'm sure i'm sure if you re watch after. I know you mentioned it but if you do watch spread it out a little bit. Maybe maybe it'll give me the opportunity to to to pick up on some of the things. I don't do re watches everyone millions. That's not it will. We've we've been talking for a while now so just really quickly. Because i honestly can't remember this episode. Just two minutes spit a speech about the right stuff or this week. Yeah you know. The series assorted started to lose a little bit energy to be honest I enjoyed it. But i'm finding This episode really got into Shepherds launch. And really the the competition and the dynamics between his shepherd really you know continue to be the focal point of all of this was last episode. And all the jockeying for being first and then An and of course spoiler alert Shepherds indiscretions came to a head so But you know. But i still enjoy the series I think it's i think we're gonna have maybe one or two episodes left and still recommended to folks but A i wanted to wanted to see more missions now then some of instead of belaboring the point about shepherd and glenn's issues. Yeah yeah i honestly fell asleep. And i think skipped like majority. Yeah i felt really is as i said before. Parts of it is starting to lose a little bit of steam. 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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 90: HBO and Amazon Prime

GSMC Television Podcast

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GSMC Television Podcast Episode 90: HBO and Amazon Prime

"Komo TV has changed over time. Streaming has become the new norm. That's why Golden State media concepts television podcast dives headfirst to the world of cord cutting wants to be on the loop of what's hot and Netflix, or if it's not a preference. What about Rijn shows in Hulu? We've got you covered. Join us as we fill the blank and talk about movies to street, and what show you should be binging. This is the Golden State media concerts television podcast. Greetings, people of the planet earth, the good people of the planet earth and the known universe listening to govern state media concepts television podcast. This is your captain speaking. On deck is insecure. And patriot just two words. Just. But there's just so much more than that. So yeah, let's get to that. If you got what I want to start off with I. Nineteen insecure. I or patriot. What? I'm gonna wait for it. So patriot we're going to go into patriot. Definitely. Patriot is a today series Amazon prime original series. And man, it's a. What do I start? So. Let me you the show description, then we'll talk about what's going on. So patriot. Stars. Michael Dorman and his name is John les C'mon. And apparently, that's that's now new hatch tack who was jolly. And when you. When you look at the the poster for the TV series. It's got John Laghman sitting on a bed and his blue suit got a paper in his hand. And his right hand and his left hand going across like gripping onto his forearm. He's has looking sideways and. What's right in front of him? Why he's sitting on his bed. And so on his bag behind them is like duct tape in. And. Bottles of cash that are still there wrapped up stacked and look at him sitting on his bare looking at you. What is tilted to the side to his right hand side or to your left hand side? When you're looking at the poster there is a man in a position who is taped up with duct tape and head over his head. And he's got his eyes closed. You're saying what the heck is going on here. I mean, that's just the description. I should've known by looking at the cover that it was going to be a trip. So it's definitely official that. Amazon prime has proven to be just as quirky and weird as Netflix with their original shows and programming. Yeah. This was a keeper I I'm Benji. I can't wait to watch the second season. Apparently it's been on for since two thousand fifteen. All right. So there's only two seasons so far. Okay. So we should be getting third season soon. All right. So he I start washing the first season last week. And now like what the so we'll get to that. Scheme. You one second hand. Yes. Thank you that description of the cover just a just a movie cover, you know, the poster for the series. So you dislike what's really going on? And it's very quick this this series. Also stars Tero Quinn talk about that one second. So the synopsis of of patriot is to prevent Iran from going nuclear intelligence officer. John taverna must forgo all safety nets and assume are perilous nonofficial cover that of a mid level employees hit a mid west industrial piping firm. Yeah. It's a company called McMillan. So now what's great about? I'm sorry. I'm just just thinking about the shot, smiling laughing. So what's great about the show is the cast? So yeah, I've never really seen microdosing before. But AVI looking for him after watching the show. So he's the main character, John Tanner. And Kurt what? Smith plays his boss, Leslie, and you're like Kurt Smith, captain Keith. Name sounds familiar who is that, you know, read from their seventy show. Forms dead. Yes. I gotta tell you. I didn't really have a true appreciation for Kurt with Smith. And to that seventy show he been doing different types of movies playing assisting role supporting roles in different independent films, some mainstream stuff. But when I saw him, and I seventy show as red and every time he would call us on a dumb ass. Just. Just. I loved it. I loved it. He's great. He's great. On patriot. He really is. By the time. He gets a little bit of his backstory like what? No, so. Yeah, really eleven the new daring stories that, you know, the streaming companies are showing because they just like I said I can't say enough when you take the samba cast, and you give them a life in you make them just as quirky as the main character is just a treat to watch on fold and watch everyone interacts. So. Yeah. So when you see John, he's a handsome guy. He's looks like a normal guy. Maybe the guy next door. The someone's mom daughter won the, you know, the Mary wanted to marry you know, but there's something going on with you. I couldn't quite put my thing on it. I wanna tell you what I think is. And we'll talk about like what happened. In the first episode that was just really interesting. This has to do with Jambi and really aloof. That's what he is within the show. He just he just very numb. And when you're as the viewer when you watch it you see, but everyone around them doesn't like the people. He works for the people that love him. So I told you before so he's a he's a spy, so he winds at working for MacMillan, the MacMillan company, no piping company. So. Piping firm scout learn how to be a great piper. So the first episode opens up, basically, he's got to go to he does a job interview for this company now mind you he's a spy international spy for America. I mean spy for America. Which means he was all over the world fighting the fight. You know, he's a patriot. So. He goes in for the interview, and he basically bombs interview. And you look into yourself this guy stupid what's going on. He just he just people person. Why did he bond this interview? So they he walks out. He knows you and you can hear the people in the room talk about it. So he goes out towards the front to leave. And he wasn't to this guy. Materials name. See? Trying to find his name. I know is face. They're killing me. She's looking at the cast like I always do. Okay. Stephen choo. Play by Marcus Toji. Yes. So so John Russ into Stephen as book suits 'cause they had interviews and jazz. Like, how do you go? I want pretty good great those and Johnson. What do you think you're going to get the job? He goes. Well, you know, it went great. And I have other offers. But you know, what be opportunity if I get it. We'll see so. Stephen twos. Character is cheap to h very nice man to know, just pleasantly speak in the John. And he's just like, hey, I got other offers. This would be a good opportunity. So John's like, and that means he's got the job. So they both way. At the end of the the yard. The gate entrance. So they're they're on the street level. Now, we're passing by and you know, Stephen Stanley right next to. Steph's actually in front of John. You know what happens right truck calms? John pushes them in front of the truck. And then just walks back in. And you like what the heck just happened? Why did he do that? And how creepy was that something to myself this guy like a serial killer? What's going on? So. You find out, you know, turn of events that basically, you know, John. So when you're watching the show, you don't know the chance of spy yet. So when you see him do this, you just think, oh he much. He's some psycho killer what's going on. That was really me. And it was mean, actually, it was really mean. I don't know if I could do that type of job is not cool. But. By doing that. He's automatically next choice for the job. I'm asking myself. Why does he want that job? So. Hits me later. Okay. Well. If I know he's a spine. So has father is Tom tablet, played by Terry o'quinn of lost fame. Also, my favorite the stepfather movies. There was like two or three of them horror films. Love them stuff on it was so good. He was a serious step, dad. I mean, he finally he finally single lady with children befriend her seducer, Mary her and love her and play happy home and just be happy and things. The minute things. Don't go, right. The way he wants them to. He used us crazy. You get this. Crazy. Look it. Listening sucks right now. He whistle. And next thing. You know, he can get the knife or whatever he just killed the whole family leave and get a whole new either start all over again. Yeah, they did like three of those movies the horror horror films the stuff fodder and Terry Oklahoma's stepfather every time I see as face like stepfather. But yeah, he was on loss by them watch loss. But yeah, he plays. Michael Jordan's debt, who's a government official working for the federal government and. You see that? I guess. Is there Tom Tom is watching TV, and he sees that their Stearns going on Iran, and he's concerned that they're going to get nuclear weapons. He's figured out how to stop that he wants to use a son. So he speaks to a lady female colleague his. Outside of their office like in the hallway. He's like, well, you know, I'm really concerned about what's going on in Iran, and we need to do something to stop this. We need to stop this before they can get the nuclear codes because it's just not good for, you know, for the rest of the world, you know, in America has a duty. I'm paraphrasing little bit and the ladies listening. She's very nice, and she's attentiveness Pantano what he's saying. Maybe she's got the looked like a why why are you talking to me in a hallway watch what what's going on? So he's like, well, you know, I got the perfect guy for this misset for this mission. He's great. Is a great agent. I'm kinda worried about him or first of all his name is John, and he's my son and. He's gonna his job. I'm just kinda worried about him. He likes to play folk music. Which is the max like folk music too. I think is fine. But he likes to sing songs. An alias and he's sing songs. I know his missions. You know, he's just seeing about what happened in his life. So I don't know if he's ready for this. But I want to send his his his his great agent this little bit worried because he sees these folks onto good, but they're all about the missions. But he saves them such a way that people just he's making up stories. She's looking at him was he all right? So more about patriot. After this break. No the latest hottest music hidden the airwaves be left out. Listen to the Golden State media concepts music podcasts key issue on with everything you need to. Hip top Florida, and we'll throw in news of your favorite parts, concert tour dates so much more. Listen, no further because this is the gold standard in music. We're back. What's game? Listen, the Golden State media concept television podcast is cats and Keith talking about patriot. Starring. Michael Dorman is John Tamna and Kurt what Smith is Leslie claret. Michael Shirley's plays Edward tabloid. Who is John's brother? Just real funny. I believe he's older, brother. So so so saying. He pushes Stephen out into the street and gets hit by a car human Guinea offered the position at McMillan. And he's telling us to you know, his his a Cup Trump for the drug test. So say, okay, thank you. So John goes into the bathroom and. Got the Cup. And he's just looking around. NEC's this guy who looks clean cut. Glasses on. He definitely works at Mellon. His name. Yes. His name is. So his real name is Chris Conrad in the places Dennis McLaren. And so he approaches innocent bathroom. I mean, this is about us the euro and jazz like next to him. Don't don't do that just like Kay now usually? Two guys are in a bathroom at the urine. Oh, you know. And I got says don't, you know, use the bathroom? You're gonna look at him. Like, he's crazy. What's this, dude? And let me get outta here. So. Basically John tells Dennis. Hey, look, I need your help I favor snapping means for the country. I'm actually a government agent. And I need this job in the partake this chest. I'm not going to pass it. So can you do this for me to do it for your country? And you know, Dennis is like all about is really goes. Yeah. So. Dennis peas, and the you know, the the Pika for drug testing and then. John walks with that, you know to the nursing visitor. He's kind of like not wanna really touch it. But I'm like, well, hey, that's that's your own doing, you know. You can't get squeamish about it now. So that's how he passes his drug test. And I am working at MacMillan. So it wasn't enough that he had to or the he pushed Stephen in the street. He had also Hugh so in us as urine. So you get the job. Oh, man. And you just find out this is all kinds of twists and turns in the story, and it's really good Aghia bellows place when the executives he's also produce a producer of this TV show on Amazon, Jillian reaching plays. Peter Kabad who's one of Leslie it's colleagues. You find out. So they started giving you flashbacks they go forward and backwards with the. With what's going on in the show? So one point might be two thousand nine and then the next might be two thousand twelve so it's kinda strange how they do that. But it works. So you see? You know, John riding around amp staying on the bicycle. This is a flashback, and he just seems just really aloof just like he's dead inside is really numb. Rhonda's bicycle. One point. He's writing this falls down on the side. And no one knows what that is happening. And. You find out that he's got this job because this jobs are going to give them access. Overseas. So that's why he was given the job. But the problem is now like I said, Tom taverna clipper terrier Quintas is dead. He says boss. So dad was his bosses like way, you know, when you get to make mill we're going to set you up your, you know, your if everything's gonna look nice, you're gonna have everything that you need. But what John finds out is that he's on his mission is on his cases, and he's supposed to allow the government to give him what he needs up. You know before he gets there. They're falling short. And then it makes him look incompetent. And he wants to be late for meetings and appointment and his boss, curt Smith who was one of the people interviewed him. Claret doesn't like John. He feels Johnson slacker. And he keeps asking him. I MacMillan man and jazz. I oh, yeah. But giant he's not saying anything conviction. The only time John I mean, even. When you see play guitar acoustic guitar he'll sing his folk songs, and they're pretty good because they're about his missions. And he sings in such deadpan voice. You think he's just making that up? No, he's not. But it's so good because he's not is just really I enjoy watching him seeing about his cases and the people he works with what's going on in Iran. And this is funny because you've never seen folk singer do that. So. John's brother and Edward Tanner. He's just a character. I just. All I say about him say he is he's totally different from John. Whether he looks his persona disheartened goes about his take on. He's he's funny. I care to lot is now. Right. So it's like, Tom tab, and has two sons that are totally different. They get along. And they're just both unique catches whereas. My be et is definitely a lot more outgoing than John. But I think you know. What's cool about this show is like you got this by who has to prevent Iran from doing things he's got a Suma role that he wouldn't usually assume. And I get the feeling they doesn't like either one of his jobs. I don't think he likes being a spy and annoy doesn't like the whole McMillan thing is just like, can you imagine having to work at a job that you know, nothing about that has nothing to do with your your personality. Just something you can't even relate to. That's what John got thrown. So it's one thing to have to chase bad guys and shoot them and stuff. It's another to have to work at a management mid level company that that's just. Just not you. This. There's no passion about what you're doing like sales or you like one of the founders with executives at the company. So. And John is Mary and. His wife. She is played by Kathleen Munroe. Her name is Alice Hafner, and she knows John has to do their jobs. But she doesn't know that. He's the spy she just knows that his work takes them overseas. And she's been very patient and she wants to see him so jazz, dad Thomas stop bunch up on she's doing make sure she's okay, and communicate whatever you can't to about where John his son is. But what I really enjoy about the show as just how bizarre and funny it is. And you have a secret. No government agent spy who doesn't like his job that he I don't think he doesn't like either one of his jobs that. Yeah, that's what I'm going with. But like, I say, I think he's a freight to tell us debt. No. He seems to be more passionate about music. And then he's got his brother who just. His brother just seems to be a whole different reality. That's all I'm gonna say I want to say so much more about him. But I will say that Michael Sharon is playing tab as a care to watch care to velopment, and he's really his characters won't my favorites. And Kurt with Smith at this point can do no wrong as Lesley Clare. He's great. I really enjoyed the first. Flashback scene. We've got with him. Man. I was priced that was dying. And it's a. It's it's fascinating Elliott of female. She plays detective Agatha albums. Oh, oh, yeah. There's McLaren player by Chris Conrad. So good. I mean, he's this guy who's happily married his kids at home, and he's very good at this job is not in piping business. He means John, and it's just like a gateway out since like, a temporary escape form. You know? He. He wants to work with Johnny wants to you know, because he thinks of John is this assigning spy, and why wouldn't you if you're this middle class guy Mary with kids, and you got this job that you like doing? But as you know, your life is routine. So one day a man approaches you in the bathroom, and it's not to have sex with you, but he wants to use your so he can pass the drug test about it. So you just like intrigued, you see the way, you know, John Kerry's himself after time-to-time Dennis will give Janet vice because John. Out the gate is just not doing too. Well, mcmillan. But once again, you know, his father and his team times team. We're supposed to set John up and give them other stuff. He needs is just not the kind of fallen short a little bit. So it's like John's character has the ability to be like JAMES BOND, but it's just not feeling like I say, it's just a really good TV series. And I love it in the story line because I never thought about having a spy who else has a job. He hates. So the only real join his life is, you know, his wife and his music. You know and hanging out with his brother heating, so John and are close they're close brothers. So when John Ed his whole face lights up. So that's good. I mean, so it just seems like. Saving your countries a lot of hard work understatement. Right. But. Things definitely escalate and you find out that like I said John had to go work at Macmillan's because he because this kind of overseas he needs to reach and he only do that through working for MacMillan. So he's got a fake to me makes it. So you know, what that is just like knowing that Leslie claret is boss doesn't really like him. You know, he's feeling the pressure. I don't know. I'm gonna have a job in a minute. He's feeling that pressure to get fired. And. You under that as well. And then there's just some other surprise that. You don't anticipate happening? Within the story. Oh, like, so for example. Jan knew he had to. Since stuff for the government, but Holly classified. Say this. John's father wanted him to smuggle some money. Through the airport for their trip to Luxembourg and. Tom tab net, reassured, John. Hey, everything will be waiting for you. You know, what matter of fact, you guys are gonna be flying private? You won't be flying commercial. That's how they do it. So I won't even be an issue. And of course, jaffrey's at the last minute. Oh, no. We're flying commercial problem with that. There's no no commercial. So it was just funny because now John's where about what what how can I, you know, smuggle this money without people knowing. No, I'm trying to take it from me. Excuse me, arrest me. Arrest me detainee. So that's so when I saw that I was just like thinking to myself. Okay. We'll let me dad and shit. But right now has Rogan's Asian look very confident, and forcing you to be incompetent because they're not following through what they told you. They were going to do more about patriot. 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Whatever it may be visit WWW dot C podcast dot com. Follow us on Facebook and Twitter and download us on I tunes, south cloud and Google play. And we're back. So once again, you listening to state media concepts television podcast scouting keep talking about the great show on Amazon prime call patriot. And just wrap that up. I'm just going to say this about it. This more to the first episode that she needs to see I'm not gonna tell you. But because of you know. John's dad's net login teams that legit. You know? Creates there's repercussions that creates a chain of events or turn of events. And I just have to be made and things just get worse. Because of that. But the show is riveting like I said, so let's let's Claire. Kurt what Smith great care issue watch out for when you watch the show tablet, play by Michael China's John's, brother hilarious, just a real character. Nothing. Like jan. And of course, my dorm who plays John taverna. He's he's amazing Gill bills. Interesting plays Lawrence lacrosse. And. On the safer now. But the show is very fascinating. It's funny, and it's dark and the stuff you laughing at you like you never thought you'd be laughing. But as done such a subtle dry way. Like, well, this is a trip. Oh, and dismal Clarin. Yes. John's office buddy who wants to becoming his friend. Like John's only friend McMillan. Yeah. Playback Chris Conroy excellent acted at a great job funny. So there's yeah, there's some treats in the show. Definitely. So what's again that's Amazon prime with patriot. And starting two thousand fifteen then to seasons. So I don't know if I'm gonna get those. He's definitely going to see if I can find out, but I really enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to finishing benching on it. Does it just gets more and more interesting than me, definitely? So insecure half hour TV series on HBO. I remember watching it for the first time out of curiosity, and I go hooked term one of my good friends onto it. She loves it and next we know we saw it become a phenomenon ISA Ray to real name. Apparently, she still hit TV series on YouTube awkward awkward black girl. That's what she got her start. So she created this show with Larry Wilmore stars her Yvonne orgy, Lisa Joyce. So ISA lives in LA. She works for this now profit company caught we got y'all. Yes, folks. I'm I'm not even making this. That's what they call themselves. We got. Oh. I mean, the company she's working for their their company. Their main focus is is helping young students of African American Latino just is helping out young people who need it, actually. And not just them. Just you know, if you're in certain school system needs help we got y'all come and try to help out, you know, give supplies just interact with you see what's going on. Try to keep you positive track. Keep you focused and keep you out of trouble. So that's where ISA works and she likes job for the most part girlfriend, one of our best friends. Molly Carter play by von orgy. She's a lawyer. And she's going through changes her law. She doesn't know they respect her to give our race. They don't want to do micro partner. And then he says boyfriend his name is Lawrence play my jealous. Enjoy watching him. Good actor. So basically Jay in east been living together for years and Jay was trying to the ground and never really is. It's not really happening for right now. Isa's Liwa love him. But you know, I'm supporting him right now. And it's just not a good look. So. That's the dynamic. She's got going on with their that. It's like she loves him. She's kind of resentful because she feels like I does lay on the couch and not do anything. He's got his education is a smart guy. But he hasn't been working. So. You know, there's the. We use that story in. So, but I'm gonna say this twist and turns with this story. Deafness? I'm gonna tell you how that ends or if ends at all. But it's. It's very interesting. Very cool. One of the cool things about the show is Lisa's perception of people how they perceive her as an African American woman. Her boss is JoAnne played by Catherine curtain. And she's nice. And she she's nice, and she sincere and she runs we got you is basically company, and she puts a lot of faith and trust into ISA Isa's characters. Isa d I s a. So. Molly. Is not happy with their dating life. She wants to find the right guy. But when you watch the show you find that she's kind of little to picky. High maintenance, but she doesn't think she is. Isa, you know, loves Lawrence. But she won is he ever going to you know, work again. Get off the couch. And what's cool is when you see in a moment like what she's upset about something she'll be like an bathroom mirror and she'll start. Just going off. Wish looks in the mirror. And when you see go off, you think that's what she said out loud. But then you find out. No, that's just a daydream. She had and that applies. To at work as well. And I love seeing that where you see what she really wants to say. Then you see how control she is. And what she actually says. Is very fascinating. The shows like two half hour long. It's really good because it gives you the another female perspective on how things aren't how they should be. And the chemistry between Yvonne origin ISA as amazing there. They play. Best friends like very well. Mollycoddle ISA the. And. See? Anyone else? I wanna talk about from insecure. Easter has his friend Freda who she works with play by Lisa Joyce as she means. Well, but she just always seems to be doing too much. Always. Yeah. She just. She's a good care to watch though. And then when you look at the office works at everybody there. They're just real funny. They're all distinct way. It has some other girlfriends. Tiffany DuBois the play by Amanda seals. And she's funny. And she's kind of. What's the word? I'm looking for high maintenance. So you kind of wonder how. Amadi every became friends with her because she's just kind of. Too much. A little too much. And with cool that easily as Lawrence underneath her neighbor. He's a game member. And he's got his daughter, and you want us to he won't use the a certain words describe what's going on. So he's always like things are Brazi. You know, he won't use the c word. And it's just really ridiculous and funny. But but I enjoy watching do that. Replace the see what the bi-? Apparently, I guess thing. So. Isa just put it into the show and many people laugh at it because it's just yeah. Never see some goal. So out of the way, not to say something or use use a continent. A letter. Has one more friend in fan? She's one of my favorites. Hit me, right. But so I was talking to a friend of mine about this show insecure on Amazon third season right now. I came to the to the assessment that. This show is like. A better version of sex in the city, but I guess with the black cast. But yeah, it's a it's funny as dark, it's witty. And the end cool about it. They call it insecure. And I forget sometimes when I'm so caught up in the storylines, but. A lot of. Things going on in show and. You know what I'm looking for? Stuck there? One second. What was I gonna say? Oh about how is similar in city. Definitely. Oh, I in being insecure. So, of course, name was insecure. Why are you call the show that is just ISA? And that's what I thought. I they're insecure assist about her being secure about our life, which is going and about Lorant. But when you watch the new season, I'm like, okay. No insecure means that all these characters are won't point are going to be insecure lose himself into something. So that's where insecure for the TV series is about is about. What happens when people lose control? What happens when did it to get the best of them? If it does. And. It's also about. Don't make don't make don't make the Ron decision, insecurity. So and the most recent episode I watched there was someone else's life who did something and his person was giving opportunity that was. Proudly do that USA helping him out to do something to Vance himself. And this person was insecure about something and more likely wrought his paternity that he was. Wanting so desperately there have. His eagle insecurity got the best of them. So I get it. So insecure isn't just about these character is funny as she is navigating throughout her life in LA, try figure who she is what she wants to go. It's also about the people around her insecure. They can be. So. And that way the show works. I think it's a lot funnier and smarter than sex in the city. Just the way it's written. It's great. It's a excellent show. I like it a lot one of the favorite things about this show is watching ISA bite her tongue and not say what she really thinks. But as the viewer and fan, you get to watch her daydream where she goes off and just goes hard on people and then snapback. If you see what she actually says, it just makes you wonder, you know, everybody like that. Are we all walking around thinking about what we want to say? I want to go off. And we just don't do it. Then we filter ourselves in control our selves. She does a great job with that. In the show is very funny at times when you go off sometimes show rap. She's feeling sometimes does yell what she's feeling, but once again, only UCF and ever really happens just head daydream. We'll be back after this break. Find out what movies to go. See and check out the GS MC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the lead est movies. Whether it's a new blockbuster event, romantic comedy or action flick. This show has got it all covered they talk. Some what to go see? Now, don't bother what's hot on net. Netflix and everything in between. That's G S M C podcast dot com back slash movie dash podcast when it's all about the movies. It has to be this new show. Don't forget to like Facebook and follow them on Twitter. Visit GS MC podcasts dot com. For more info. And we're back. Let's listen to state media concepts television podcasters, captain, Keith speaking, we're talking about the hit series. Insecure starring ISA Ray. It's one of my favorite shows HBO that show, and of course, game of thrones. That's what I watch basically. So. Oh, each other friend. Name is Natasha Rothwell, that's a real name. And on the show. Her name is Kelly so between Kelly, Molly. And. Tiffany. Tiffany is like she's like a little socialite. She's. The high maintenance one. Play. Amanda seals fifteen DuBois, and she's married, and she just thinks she's the best thing ever. Kelly is the no nonsense friend. Business lady. She's a. She she cuts through. She's the friend this straight from the hip and tell you where it's and what's going on. And then molly's come more like Easter herself. She doesn't say too much. I mean, Molly and Easter real close, and they confide in each other. So. But our for them, our friends, and it's always interesting when they get together, and they have drinks dinner and talk about their jobs and their lives, and what it's like to be, you know, black women in America, you know, working in the workforce. And how things are proceed? There's always conversation about. How people in African American community might do things versus how people in in the people in the black community do things in the white community things and the sometimes the pros and cons are very funny. It's just a very good show. Very realistic. A lot of fun. It's just different. Like, I said never saw show where the main character would just flash on people. And then you realize, oh, no, she didn't really do that. She just dreamed daydream of doing that to him. And you're just like, oh, this is different. I'll watch this. And the more you watch the more. You know, you get. And it's interesting to see like I said because he says with Lawrence have been for a long time by spends too much time on a couch is not working and she supporting them, and she's gotten she's been kind of resentful for it. And she's just like, okay, maybe your idea than work. But you know, what are you going to do? So then. With exception of Tiffany. He says girlfriends don't have a boyfriend or a husband so looking at ISA like, you know. You have a good man, Jason guy. You know, why you tripping on? So. Fishes in you know. So the question you have to ask yourself. This will Jake it off the couch where you get what do you get a job? Can ISA Jay. You know, had tapa closest they once had when when they were both working because it seems like, you know, she's just more distant because of what's going on with him. And it makes sense. I get it. And we'll Molly ever find somebody that you can be with. You know, there's a scene where she doesn't speed dating. And it doesn't go. The way she wanted it to. And then Molly seems to be the type of lady that you know. She says she wants to truth. But I don't know if she really wants to choose plays out in this show. But those characters are very interesting. Joanne who runs we got your Katherine Katherine curtain. She does a great job of plane. He says boss like her. She says she's very sincere. This is her company. She has a mission and easy the job. She kinda can get a little too arrogant think that she can just wing it. And she finds out. When she had to presentation that she was supposed prepare for prepare for and she didn't. And she and she tried winging it she kind of feel miserably at it. So it's kind of funny. But you know, I need to have people can get arrogant cocky can be any of us as always about that fine line that balance. It really is. So yeah, definitely recommend. If you're looking for a coup. Interesting comedy. I guess it's similar to sex in the city. I I used to watch that show too. But I think that this series is better funnier and darker. So. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This dark humor to it. And this is good. I can allot so definitely recommended. Also what I would be reviewing soon as. Some did some movies net flicks. We're gonna do somewhere movies seeming services. There's a movie of Amazon prime call green. Go. And says it's dark comedy mixed with a white knuckle action and dramatic dramatic entry explores the battle of survival for businessmen herald, so Inca when he finds himself crossing the line from while buddy and says into wanted criminal, and that seems to also coast shall Easter on. So that came out this year something for watching that, and you already know that Spike Lee put out a film called the black klansman all black klansman, and technically it's not a remake a different story. But in nineteen sixty six there was a black and white film called the black clansmen. And this one's different story. The one Spike Lee did is actually based off of a true story and a real human being Ron stallworth. This one says the tale of a light skinned African American who impersonates Caucasian joins the notorious Q clan to get revenge on the biggest who bombed a church. And killed his daughter. So that's the premise for that show. I mean for that movie. And it was a good movie. I really enjoyed it. I remember when I saw the record store. How's life black klansman? What got to be some b- movie low? Great stuff. No. It was in. The fact is Amazon prime is interesting. But I'm sure they also did that because of species movie come out in the theater right now, though, I wanna capitalize on. They did. Agatha Christie's ordeal by innocence as a new movie series might be a series. See? Now that seems to be a new movie Amazon prime just came out with. So. This one is the tail light skinned African American who impersonates Caucasian and joins Torius on already did that one. I'm reading the excuse me. I'm trying to read from ordeal by innocence eras. Rachel are arduous murder on Christmas Eve nineteen fifty four and as we're prepares to marry again, the entity of the murder the murderer is thrown in doubt that's a series. So we will be I will be reviewing that in the future possibly even next week. And then there's a show series looks like by Philip k dick electric dreams. Yeah. It's a series future base. Policewoman shares has faced with a brilliant game designer an alternate world as they both pursue killers. So let's see. She pursues as they is they both pursued killers, whose plans could have shattering consequences since the very devise the connects them also has a of the store them Danja looks at every turn starring Karin anglin anti Anton Bassey Terrence. See and Tama tower. Okay. Yes. I definitely watch an extra chains. I remember seeing the commercials for it. Divergence? Should be good. Should be really so. And then other things I'm looking forward to. Let's see, oh, there's a new streaming service out. I try to keep you abreast of these things. And it's called a pure flex dot com. And it seems to be family oriented films. Let's look at my actually be a Christian based. Movie shaming company. So. Yeah. It is. Can get a free month. Senseless. I'm I'm at a website. And I wanna get more. Mation tell you. Go. Their mission statement is this for pure pure flex P U R E I X dot com. Our purposes simple strives to be the most trusted family from the video streaming source on the web, I mix of family family, family, wholesome entertainment. Includes movies for all ages kids and man titles. Documentaries how to hobbies educational health, and fitness sports outdoors and travel, plus many inspirational emotional titles, it's all delivered and the highest possible. And what the user from viewing experience, we provide wholesome dealer experience for entire family that is fun entertaining is racial educational the pure flix team is made up of a lot of people. Just like who just like you who are dedicated to this goal where constantly reviewing great quality content to continue to provide he with new tiles. We believe that given a choice people want to be able to stream wholesome family friendly titles. Carry a great message. Ensure they do I agree. That's a pretty cool mission statement. But what's the? Membership. Okay. So they have annual for hundred bucks a year or nine looks like a month. So if you're looking for family friendly movie to might one check out here flex say the probationary period for a whole month. That's good. Yeah. I stumbled upon that the other day didn't even know about them. It's pretty cool. Like on its breathe. What's breath? Just looking at the prime. I had this. 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Prequel to Episode 248

How Did This Get Made?

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Prequel to Episode 248

"UNSPOILED is back for season two Paul and amy tackle the one hundred, and now they're making their own list starting with back to school movies check out the first episode on Mean Girls Right, now on stitcher apple podcasts or wherever UK. Your podcasts. Are you one of those people who think it's okay to draft stoned mean what supports can happen you end up driving below the speed limit it's no big deal, right? Wrong. The truth is reaction times slow way down when you're high, you not only put yourself in danger but everyone around you talk about a buzzkill stop kidding yourself. It's not okay to drive high. If you've been using marijuana in any form, do not get behind the wheel. If you feel different, you drive different drive high get a Dui. The simple pleasure of a Bagel with Philadelphia cream cheese is a delicious way to start your day for one hundred and fifty years. 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Man and Hawk girl what it takes to be a commercial airline pilot and Jason and I throw down in what we're watching in another episode of Quartet all this and more on how did this get made mini episode hit the theme. Sacred. Geometry. Don't. Sacred. Relics. Hello People Earth and welcome tweet. How did this get made? Many episode I am Tall John Sheer how are you? How are you doing? I hope you're doing good. We are still in quarantine. I'm doing this for my closet, and I couldn't be more happy than in this moment to be with you. All right. Now, I look forward to this every other week to get a chance to talk with you and we have a big dig episode in store Jason's coming on for a little bit of coir chat plus we're GonNa get into the Nitty Gritty of to twenty two. You thought we covered it all clearly we did not. We have read your comments and we are getting ready to reopen. That twisted movie. I even forgot about the sewer art gallery. My God. Okay Also we're GonNa talk about the movie we're doing next week, which is a controversial one because I didn't want to do it, but I was convinced and you will see the results. So that's a little tease there. And if you've been following the mini episodes, you know that I've been harassed by Michael. Bay for such a long time, Michael Bay has been on my case. Because he wants me to talk about transformers revenge of the fallen and. After two years. I, have Agreed to do it. That's right. We are going to do a special charity episode of how did this get made all the money from that episode is going to go directly to an amazing charity. I'll tell you more about that is a comes up, but it will be the only time that how did this get made does a episode that will be behind pay? While, you can access it through our website wants to give you the link. It's not up yet we haven't recorded, but it will be coming up. So save your pennies because it will be a whopping five dollars, but we're going to go and give it to an amazing organization that is helping people get out the vote and as we're talking about getting out the vote. Did, you know you can sign up to be a poll worker I just did it I went on La County Dot com, and signed up. It was easy. You can also go to poll hero Dot Org, and if you I think sixteen and thirty, you can just sign up right there. It's amazing. We need to save our polls we need to get. Young people in our polls, they pay you. It's not a bad deal pretty great stuff. So all that and more on today's big episode but I a shoutout to public speaking. Thank you public speaking for that awesome opening theme. I loved it. That was great. Thank you for taking your time and giving of yourself. I also want to thank everybody who has. Gone onto twitch and started following me even though I don't have anything up I got nothing up yet. But plans are in the making what am I going to do on my twitter page? I'm not just going to stream games, probably less streaming games and more of doing comedy shows and bits and things have been doing with Rob Hubel and I dunno weird stuff I have this by neural microphone over here that. Will sound like I'm your era maybe it won't Devon says it probably won't. Looking at it, it might be tricky but here's what I'll say it's GonNa be fun. It's going to be weird. We'll have some of your favorite people there so. Now I mean you have to sign up just to follow its twitched whatever anyway I'm just. Paul Scheer on twitch and my partner, my partner, and twitch. Means nothing have a blue checkmark next my name, but I'm excited to be there and more on that. Soon I know I keep on plugging away. Enough about me talked a lot about me and you and I just a shout out to all the people who've reached out to us in the last week there's been so many people who are doing such essential work and and saying that the show means a lot to them and you mean a lot to us and you've gotten us through and we get you through and I. Love It. So thank you. If you're out there doing essential work and honestly every job is essential really at the end of the day it's all essential. People. Let's from you because I know you have problems and I want to help you solve them do I know anything? No but I, am alive which means that. Ultimately I've made some decisions that having killed me now. That means I'm ready to give you some advice. So get ready for the Paul helpline. O Paulo Gear, in. including. This is pro. All right. Thank you. Teddy Loves Suprema that Song Yes. All right I'm Paul Scheer you know that I'm not a doctor. I'm not therapist nor do I practice what I preach, but I'm able to judge you based on what you said. I get very good advice on the show and I've said it before and I'll say it again if I've given you great advice call back. Let me know how it worked out conversely have given. You bad advice. Call Back. No I need to learn from my mistakes too but let's go to Michigan and hear from our friend Kim Hi. My name is Kim I'm calling from Michigan my husband and I just had a Pelivan delivered today. We figured you know we're probably going to be stuck inside all winter. So it was probably worth it. Can you recommend any classes or? Or? How you like using it? Love the show you guys are keeping US laughing during all these crazy times. Thanks. Bye Jim I long for people to ask me about Peleton aright. I didn't want to get this bike I'll be honest I didn't want it. I thought this is going to be one of those things we get. It's going to be enclosed hangar in our house and I'm GonNa feel guilty about it but here is the thing it is not an why is it not because? I don't use it like an exercise bike. Yes I do do spinning on the bike definitely but not every day because that shit's going to fuck up your hips and your legs or at least me. I. It's GonNa fuck up my gear in I do like three four times a week tops spinning. where the secret sauce is unpalatable in my opinion are the video classes oh I love the video classes they are so fucking great Adrian Williamson doing strength classes. I also like Andy Spears also doing or I think his name is spear because he made a joke that people call them Brittany Spears anyway they also will get into some places with you because they're just talking nonstop and there's no one to respond to them. So they start making up nonsense like one person said that we are living in the matrix but wasn't saying like ironically like Oh. Wow. We're living in the Matrix juicing fact like now we're in the Matrix. Was Weird Anyway. I love the strength classes. I love the core classes Emma. Love Dwell on the bike thing thumbs up Robin Arizo are she's Great. But I do Emma. Love well core I do Adrienne Williams Andy Spear a strength I also do Robin. You will find the teacher you connect with their so many yoga, Yoga's great. The Cardio is great. It forces you to do something and you can pick your classes based on i. mean it sounds like a fucking Peleton. I really legitimately love it. No one is being me to say this, but it's like you can do five minutes, fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, thirty minutes and I feel so good. I, think it's the reason why I'm talking about it. So positively now I'm getting emotional is It's kept me a little bit sane during this time like to work in, move my body. It's been important. It's important. So I love my Balaton. That's Great I. Don't know I just got emotional I got welled up thinking about these relationships that I have with invisible people on the TV screen anyway that's a little insight to where I am at right now but let's not stop there Kevin would he got hey paul this is Kevin so I have decided to leave my job and start a new job and it's an exciting opportunity and I'm really happy about it but one of the things that I've been talking with my wife about is whether or not I should talk to a therapist And so what I'm wondering is, what are the things that I should be looking for in a therapist? In order to. Either have like a meaningful conversation or in terms of ways that I can learn from. That experience. So appreciate it. Let guys love June of Jason and I appreciate the answers. Thanks. Kevin, you get me I'm in a day of getting emotional I just came from therapy I love therapy and I hadn't done it for a long time I've gone off on my whole entire life. Here's the thing that I learned about therapy and I just learned it now now pass it onto you. Therapy? Is Really based on your relationship with the therapist and I think in the past I have gone to. Some therapists who were very good but didn't push me and challenge me enough I've gone to some therapists who got me through such amazing Lee hard in difficult times and and then. I felt like I overcame something with them. I haven't gone back and I have a therapist now who? Really connects with me and. And I think what I'm learning is if you don't feel that connection if you don't feel. Challenged. If you don't feel like you're getting anything out of it, it's not therapies fault. It's the person's fault and I mean that in the way that you have to find your person. So don't feel like I want therapy like. Someone in my life close to me not June. was like I you know went to a therapist and they weren't good. So therapy is not good for me I'm like, no, no, no no you got. It's like dating. You know maybe you won't find perfect person I I found mine recently because of location and it just happened that she was really good but. You don't know you don't know. So I would say if you're not feeling it don't be afraid to pull the plug in and try something else. So. That's what I would say and what what did you look for? I don't know I mean. I. Think it is about conversations I. Think it's about, can you be as honest? As you are internally with somebody externally knowing that they'll keep that confidence when I went back to therapy I went back because I was wrestling with something that was bothering me and me I was really trying to. Put a label on. So I, feel like. When I. Went to her I I, wanted to talk about something. I had a reason to go. So started there and by the way that reason. In the I guess I've been with her now for a year that reason has really. Unearthed like it's like a tree and the roots are far reaching but. It took me a while to get down to a deeper level and I don't know anyway. Trust your gut. trustor connection and just go and talk, and you clearly wanted to go to a therapist for a reason. So. Let that be your beginning. You don't have to know the end and you don't go forever. Anyway that's it people. A Lot. What is this show? What am I doing I? Hope I'm not being too honest and to open right now I'm just they're vulnerable. I have a dog got a dog adopted a dog. A beautiful big old. Beast. EXCU and it's been really fun and. I'm opening up people were home I'm adjusting to this. I. Feel like right now highs and lows. What's going on in this world is country really honestly. Is Just, tearing apart at certain points. So find the joy, find the life and Nick yourself better while you can. Well, you have this time if you're not working, you're working from home you have time and if you are working thank you and if you don't want to be working, you're working I'm sorry. and. I've been a situation too. So I understand I'm working, but it doesn't feel totally safe I. Hope it is anyway. They give recalls you can call us anytime at six nine. Am Six, thousand, nine Paul asked you don't need to leave your name, you WanNa leave financial confidential but I would love to hear from you anything at all We take the best ones and I talked you about it right here. All right so. There's IT for the helpline. Let me tell you this. We love original listener themes. We can't get enough of them, and if you WANNA create a theme for the show, any segment of the show do you need them for the mini episodes we need for mailbag and Paul helpline mailbag by the way you probably put on the back burner because truthfully we getting the nail. PAULBLANCO corrections of emissions just right at record it Senate. How to get your off dot com I'm talking fifteen seconds really fifteen seconds is a sweet spot I know in the past said like Oh thirty seconds. Honestly. Fifteen. All right. 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Know I'll take square spaces Style of living that's a hang to do yes. Grisly System as he really is the best. All right we are back, and now while you're prepping for next week, it seems like we might have dropped the ball on some things from last week's episode, which was to twenty two an episode that I? Don't even remember recording like I really don't think a lot of the. Things I was tagged in on twitter. Any of them. It was part of a bigger tour and we're just like it was like cramming for a test that tour. I? I. Had June brain in out in out you just can't you know your body can't hold in all these junky movies. So we're going to turn this over to you. We want to hear what your issues were about our thoughts onto twenty two, and if you had any other thoughts that you wanted us to explore. A little section we like to call corrections and omissions sacred geometry. Wow. Public speaking with a two. To twenty two inspired themes. Love it. We have called through dozens of voicemails and hundreds of added this get made message words, boats on your. Wolf Dot Com to find the best observations, theories, fact checks and useless research, and we present them all here buckle up. There are some doozy's and people I just got shut out public speaking you've done it twice just doing. Mini episodes Pacific songs, Fuck Yeah. That's kind of ingenuity we need. All right. Let's go to the boards. Jim cuyler rights how could Jason Paul engine not realize the twist in the plot I love you guys but I was surprised none of you three figured it out here are the clues picked up on number one? The beginning see the murder in grand central station, but never see the faces, only the bodies and the gun. Clearly, they wanted us not to know who these people were turned out to be a red herring since it was not the same actors playing the characters they go number two, Dylan, and Sara have the same birthday nineteen, eighty-seven Sarah and Jonas. Were previously a couple when Dylan is number four visits the sister who explains the murder Love Triangle happened thirty years ago. It's obvious to me what the twist would be at that point. The little interest I had in the film was gone and I started playing on my phone while watching the movie. Well, let me tell you hear these are some pretty. Obvious I mean I'm not watching this going like Kennedy seven I'm not I'm not keeping note I'm not like. You know an FBI investigator like wait a second you know. So these are. Fine clues. Miss them per se and I just want to say that I figured out six cents before anybody did. So I was in the theater and I was dot I know it I got it, and I think that that actually impact. The wreck spirits success. I appreciate it so much more in retrospect, but in that actual viewing if it was like, yeah. Got It. But can you're smart and if you want me to say you're smart I'll say right now, Jim Cuyler you are smart scary Mirage Rights, Correction Paul misspoke the awful Jim. Carey movie is the number twenty three not seven. Why didn't think it was seven? I may have just said I mean I did not think that Jim, Carrey was in the film seven with Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt and Kevin Spacey and Paul Tro no no no. No. I'm David fincher directed. No. I did not think that at all. I just knew there was a movie where he was obsessed with a number and I thought it was seven not twenty three. All right. So there you go point taken I misspoke Goddamn it Cameron H I find it highly unlikely that an Avia phobic air traffic controller and an expectant father who was once under review for nearly causing a deadly collision would have the means and the time to accrue the prerequisite hours of flight time required to become a commercial pilot in just under a year according to Dr Google he would have to put an at least fifteen hundred hours just to be considered which works out. To be just under thirty eight weeks assuming he can afford to rent and fuel plane for eight hours a day five days a week. This isn't even taking into account the training time lost to convalescence after a grievous gunshot wound to the kidney. I. Mean. There is a reason why people just don't decide to become a pilot on a whim. Okay. Cameron I like that I liked that theory I didn't know that that's how much time people at to put in clearly John Travolta. Does have that time I wonder how long it took for John Travolta become a pilot and? I. Think Jason, I may have talked about this in Quartet or we talked about it in a previous quartet. That I. Don't like casual pilots. I. Don't like I don't like it. Don't do that on the side. We don't need that on the side, but only Jason are on an episode of blank check that is coming out. That I. Think you've really like it's about used cars I. Think it's on the Patriot I'm not sure anyway. Jason I talking about Robertson Meka's with the bind checks. Team really fun. All right. Let's go to the phones Jeff in Ithaca. For Mr New York I just had an omission that I wanted to point out about the movie to twenty two In the very end there's the climactic scene when Jonas is pointing a gun at Grand Central As, soon, as he pulled the gun out, you hear women scream and then the crowd goes into a frenzy. but rather than dispersing away from the. Kind of pointed straight ahead you see people begin to run in front of the outstretched arm of Jonas and I actually back and counted, and you see forty three individuals who in a desperate attempt to escape decided to choose the path that goes right in front of the. the firearm that presumably could offer any points. So I just thought that was a little bit absurd. also wanted to point out that the shared birthday of four eighteen. As Up to twenty two, all I love the show. Take it easy. Now. That's a fucking clue fourteen how I love that. This movie is good. You Know Look It's panic it's panicked. People don't know people don't know what they're even running from. Don't you have you ever been in a situation where people start running and then you start running to you don't even know why you're running but it feels to me like a very much a cloverfield moment like or you know if you're out, you know I remember when the? Riots were happening in Washington DC CNN had cameras on it. Just seemed like someone was like now we're going over here and if you're in that charged moment yeah, fucking take off. So I believe that someone didn't know what was happening and ran in front of forty three. In the fact, you counted forty-three Kudos to you All right what else we got here All this is Eric in. Fargo. North. Dakota and I have an observation about two, twenty two. So I. Don't know if I play understood. What I'm thinking here that have sometimes do that Supernova happened thirty years ago I would mean that starts that started exploded thirty light years from her. I want to read you something that I found online. Let's assume that a star that is thirty years there. He might use away Supernova forty, two Dr Mark Mark We'd a senior astronomer at Harvard Smithsonian Center for physics. Says that if a star or SUPERNOVA, thirty yards. Away have major effects on I possibly a massive, a massive expansion extreme and more energetic gamma rays. From the Supernova would destroy the ozone layer protects us from the sun ultraviolet rays they would ice nitrogen and oxygen. Chip formation of large smog like nitrous oxide, inter atmosphere. And what have masterful sex life on earth? So swimming that the star that Supernova, it's thirty Lakers way. this movie really should have ended or and with a mass extinction on it. Okay thank you. All GonNa say to you, eric is I loved every bit of that call I don't know if I understood everything I appreciated your research and you're right the world should have ended but. Maybe it was prevented from ending because of these characters I don't know but why mentioned if you are not going To get into it All right. Let's go another call you Paul is actually in Chicago. So I have a bit of a bone to pick with the panel and the Portland Audience About two twenty two. So anyone seemed to be in agreement that is Dylan Branson Jarring Horace just didn't go to grand central none of this would have happened Jonas who yesterday looks like my coffee hall I also think he's Bobo Philip Seymour Hoffman but that's not the point. I believe that Jonas would have killed. Sarah no matter what because at the end when it seemed like they had to put a book end on everything Dylan goes to Jonas says art cave layer place and sees the collage Sarah's face and it looks like serious serial killer abide he sees the Empty Gun case which is just straight up hammer overhead exposition, and then when they're at grand central because they're slightest chancellor. Jonas says things like the mill hearst express, which how could you possibly know that and he calls Sarah? Evelyn. So you whether he was knowingly doing this or not I think he was going to kill Sarah and they were on this collision course for it to happen no matter what. So Dylan have to go in to make sure that it didn't happen. The movie sucks. Give it one star but I hope that changes your mind that he did have to go to grand central even though this movie makes sense anyway one of the show. Thanks so much. Ashley you have changed my mind. Thank you. I appreciate that Yeah. It's like final destination. Right? They're gonNA get killed and what better place to do it in a film then in front of a giant world famous clock. So I get your point I agree with your point and. You, know look. I was in a mood that day. I. You know I just put it together and I think you've now convinced me everyone has convinced me with these calls and. And these. Post that there was a greater thing going on I just didn't get and people I am open to that I am open to be corrected back to the boards triple indy rights so. The three people who died in one, thousand, nine hundred, and we're reincarnated because their souls left their bodies. Let me just tell you something here. I don't remember any of this. Arena coordinated because their souls if their body when they killed they then entered the bodies of babies born that same day Ergo this movie is. positing that babies don't have souls until they are born fetuses must not have souls, which makes it the most pro choice movie ever interesting how a movie that is all about fate Israeli about the right to choose boom triple Lindy. Yes. You brought in politics and I love it. Danny. The Wall rights I am surprised at Paul Jason did not connect to twenty two comic Book Heroes Hochman Hawk Girl Oh interesting. These characters have had many incarnations as a space war alien heroes for their Home Planet as star crossed lovers from different. Castes in ancient Egypt to archaeologists during World War Two and the through line that connects all these iterations that they were doomed to reincarnate to be drawn to each other and to die tragically because of their similar reincarnated rival who cursed them in the first place Jeez just typing it all out reminds me that comics are weird and I love them maybe because of that I didn't find the central conceit that difficult to buy into or maybe I'm just crazy and seeing patterns all over the place. Great. Hock Man Hawk. Girl Call No. I wasn't like this is an impossibly I've seen ideas like this. It was just horribly executed What you just described is way more interesting to me and I think the movie would have been I mean now I don't remember it did they do it multiple times I would like to see them do multiple times anyway I don't know. Aaron Zebra. As Jason Points Out Dylan works out on gymnastic rings as if he's training for the Olympics, we assume that they didn't come standard with the twenty dollar or sorry the twenty K. apartment, which means he hung them himself. He's an everyday and seems to have a pretty strenuous routine. This can't possibly be the first time. A strap has broken evidence further by his comfortability in the repair process. So are we to believe that? These are great to believe that in all those times of climbing the rafters, he never noticed the Jake Redmond Satchel. Interesting. Furthermore. Why would Jake Redmond have hidden? This is his apartment where he lived alone. Wow Aaron. You got me. I don't know this movie has so much backstory in. So little backstory at the same time. I mean I mean, that's the dream right? You're digging around find something you're what is this and? As never happened to me, it happens to everybody in movies but never happened to me I. Want to happened to me I wouldn't mind it happening to me but you're right I mean you would also think that. Someone, WHO's cleaning out that apartment would have cleaned it up someone would have found it when they installed the rings when they installed the rings you're right. You are so right but you know what? Even though you're so right. You're not the winner because this week the winner is the person who didn't try to. Make sense of the film but simply underline the central conceit which is to twenty two is a pro choice movie triple Andy, you are winner. Of. The. Really. Other. Off. As. Always. Nothing, but you will forever hold a place in my heart. All right people. Let's get into it. Oh, did you know that I'm on a brand new show on CBS all access it is called Star Trek lower deck's it's an animated star Trek Show brought to you by Mike McMahon making worked and created solar with Justin Royal and he also worked on Rick and Morty, and this is a love letter to star Trek. 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And so excited to see what you've been up to because I've also I feel like as things become more normalized also been diving in deeper to things that I've really have been enjoying. Time yes. I want to hear all about it. All about it I mean look. I told you offline that I got into the boys in a big Oh. Yeah. I the Amazon show I finished the. Season's about to come out. Yes. That show is great and I read those books a long time ago. But I am I am blown away by what they're able to do on that show it looks fantastic it like that show. I mean, it's so expensive. So expensive. Glove to know how much it costs to make you know because. This is a show that's on Amazon. It's based on a on a long running comic book series that Garth Ennis did, and it is about it's basically about like corporate is super heroes. There's lab. Yeah it's sort of like the the that idea they think a lot of comic books have played with the idea of like how all that power could corrupt you. So what they do here which is so interesting is they've become corporate icons they're not only superheroes, but they're making movies they had reality what if the Justice League was owned by? Like a corporation yeah, and that corporation said Okay Superman, you've gotta go make this movie wonder woman you've got to go make this personal appearance and they were and the Organization itself was corrupt and the superheroes were are disaffected. Are you know are downright like sociopaths some? The and they get into so much great stuff I mean the comic book is amazing. It's so dark I? Mean that was when they there's a won't spoil anything because I, think you should go in if you've not seen it. But when they go to that that faith based like outdoor convention as wow, they really are hitting every aspect of how. These superheroes are getting involved in. A wonderful. It's a wonderful kind of skewering of. At the time wasn't wasn't true, which is like how obsessed we are culturally now with superheroes how much a part of our lives the MC you or the DC universe have become have become in fact pop culture. And these stories, the boys refers to a group of individuals whose mission it is. They are regular people whose lives have been negatively affected by these superheroes who take it upon themselves to keep the superheroes in check. They are trying to. Bring them down as much as you can bring them down because they are all powerful literally and all. So the cult of personality it's it's so good. It's so dirty. It's so dark Elizabeth Shue I listen to everything. She's so good. She's wonderful in. So good young. The performances are great. It looks terrific. You know because it's got, you know a lot of. In their superheroes and stuff and they and it doesn't look it looks really cinematic. It looks really good. It doesn't look like for example, you're watching A.. W. Or agents of shield or a you know one of the Arrow or one of. All fine. But they're all kind of cartoony this in. To it yeah, I mean I think what I really I feel like whenever you see a superhero costume screen, it looks I mean not on a TV screen it just looks dumpster like it never looks like because they don't have that money to spend to really create a really good costume in here I. Think they've kind of figured that out as well. No young looks this child in an urban it all kind of sits on Karl urban shoulders who is has for me been a long standing like I think he's terrific and Gosh. And wish he was getting more. He's always somebody that I'm like I wish he was getting better stuff now you should be I mean no fasted your Butler but he should be our Gerard Butler type of guy he I agree I agree he should be working all the time in big action movies or whatever he wants to do because he's also very funny. He was funny as bones in trick movies him. But also, yeah, like connected it to like La Respectful Oh my gosh. That was still his own performance. And he actually speaks in his own accent, which is great too because they think like whatever I mean everyone can do whatever they wanna do. But when you are free to just use your own voice is performance here. Is it even more from me? I really loved it and I'm excited the second season's about to come out I'm I'm excited because. I love to the first season and also because I just finished a bunch of shows. Okay. Then I'm now like, Oh, I need something to start. So I'm here where are you at? Yeah, I just finished I think we talked about it before I finish Patriot, which is also an Amazon's which Conrad's show and then because I was. So I was so into Patriot and this was a show that came out a bunch of years ago it kind. Of got lost in the shuffle I feel like because it was one of Amazon's first shows. One of Amazon's first originals. I guess and it's a terrific really incredible like one hour show about it's about spycraft and a guy who's in the CIA. But in order to do what he has to do and it's a very tension filled show what his what his kind of assignment is requires him to have have a it's called a knock the. He has to be inside of a company to do his job. So he works at a Piping Corporation. So it's like an office comedy in the Piping Place, but then otherwise he it's super tense. But then there's also really funny stuff. Great Music Steve Conrad. Then went on, did a show at epochs called Perpetual Grace Limited okay it's Ben Kingsley and Jacki Weaver and Simpson. Yeah. Posters for this and people loved the show. What it was about yeah. So then I went I watched that show there's only one season of that and it was canceled Patriot has two seasons. This has one season and this was on epic's. Fantastic very different style, but very similar tone. I love banking's Li I mean shit a he's like and Ben Kingsley, not to spoil anything is in like sexy beast Ben. King. I was just GonNa say that's my favorite I mean. So it's Yuck can rad. I was just having a conversation about him the other day because this argument and maybe you and I may have already talked about this. So but the idea that like iron man three is better than I think people remember it to be. One of the best marvel movies and his performance in that film. Shows, Jimmy. How good of an actor? He is like yeah, and there's a one shot like a marvel one shot him just about the mandarin that is you gotta see it's online I believe my friend who wrote Ironman three actually wrote and directed that he actually did a superhero show in BBC on the BBC. His name is drew Pearce. His show was great as well as all these superheroes living together Gosh what was the name of that but the one shot with Ben Kingsley gives you a lot more of that character goofy like, yeah like bengals. Is he can. He can pull off. Looking appearing as though he's a menacing super villain and then he can peel away and be a bumbling actor underneath it. You know he's very, very fun and very fun to watch and is really terrific in perpetual grace as is all of those people I mentioned and Steve Conrad also has a like a group of regular players that are in all of his shows. Kurt would Smith -Tario Quinn his brother, Chris Conrad. And they're all fantastic Kurt would smith. Between. I feel like weirdly because I watched robocop because he was such a part of Patriot and perpetual I feel like I've been seeing a lot of Kurt with Smith in Corinth is very strange. I mean, I love a good Kurt wordsmith role by the way that show that. My friend is called no heroics and it's raining. Yeah. The same idea essentially superheroes just taking craft duty active. superheroes. Show yeah. Really Fun. So that perpetual gray show is on epic's which I had to get in order to watch it. You can get. So I, am is on add on, right? Yes. Do and so as a result I ended up watching and being obsessed with. Epics has a Laurel Canyon documentary that's all this music scene and Laurel Canyon I want to be very clear right now the documentary I'm talking about is not the Jacob Dylan Laurel Canyon Documentary Jacob Dylan made Laura Kenyon documentary that is very available. and. So if you look it up, you're gonNA find. That is the one that Howard Stern is talking about or is the Jacob Bill in the one that I believe the Jacob Dylan one is the one they were talking about Howard, stern although somebody else on Howard. Stern did say you know there's a better one and that is what I'm talking about I think it's Called Laurel Canyon it's it's four hours long. It's too. It's a two parter. It's only available right now on epic's which is weird. But you can sign up for a free week of epics if you have apple TV or if you have whatever you, there is like a promo. Yeah. and it's awesome and there is so much in my life right now in quarantine is. Like, I spend so much time watching consuming stuff and like, and then crying during most of it. So this one, there's so much Joni Mitchell footage in this and I'm I'm obsessed with Joni Mitchell. Yeah. I was just like screen shotting and take I was like Thaba being and and and filming stuff. Was Oh. No just for me. So I, can have it was amazing. I was never seen this footage before of Joni it's great. So it's a great I really enjoyed that documentary touches on so it's still Laurel Canyon music scene so I'm looking at David crosby stills, Nash, Young Joni, Mitchell and the monkeys and everybody the turtles, all of these musicians at around the same time congregate and start living in. Laurel Canyon in Los Angeles as a neighborhood because it's relatively cheap but still central enough to all of the kind of music clubs that they would play the whiskey or the troubadour or any of those places. So it is awesome. Island eight the one just again even though you're very clear that's on epic's it's the one directed by Alison. Ellwood so she is. And she actually was behind American high, which is something I saw long long time who. Are. Urging. Jessica. And I pitched with the first. The first deal I ever we ever made Jessica Saint Clair, and I sold a show to comedy central that was based a little bit on that America high show, which was a TV show in which we would have played documentary filmmakers Filming School Kids America Venom East, right? Yeah. But then we regress and start to like want to be in highschool arse like we start to be the story like the popular. Friends with Saint Clair hang out with them. 'cause the popular girls never liked her, and then my character gets to be like it gets asked to be in a band and I'm so I'm so as the series would have gone on, I would be playing in the battle of bands and she would wrong with the popular girls. We unspoiled. We've been talking about back to school movies and not to bring up unspoiled. But the we interviewed amy heckling and wow, she was talking about fast times and was so interesting because I had forgotton that Cameron Crowe did that he went back Oh. Yes. School and and like became a student and befriend these people to get these stories and actually WanNa go read that book. I'd like to read that like she said that the original script for fast times was much more like porkies and then and then and then her and cameron like both love the stuff in the in the book. And they're all of this and then basically just took already putting the book and made the the script this really you know why that movie is so good move. That's really cool. But I just love that idea I mean just think about going back to school and I know it's been done with Drew Barrymore too. But the idea of like just being in school and Oh yeah under false them crazy errol Morris had a series on Bravo. This is this is the Bravo that existed twenty some odd years ago. Yeah it was not what we currently understand is Bravo and it was called first person. Documentary filmmaker WHO's made you know documentaries that you all know but you know thin Blue Line and Florida that town in Florida. Four. Yes. Fog of war. Exactly. So He's incredibly prolific wonderful Documentari- documentarian and he did a TV show for the first person and it's about it's hit applying his documentary technique to just people in the world regular people and one of the people he profiles is a guy who I believe one who wants to be a millionaire. But then also it was found out that he would he. Would see really move and re. Himself in high school so that he could member that Yoda Highschool. Again, it's like this crazy story that is absolutely true that is teased out in this aero- Morris episode that's really fat really weird and fascinating. I have. Talking about documentaries made me think of this one documentary that gene and I watched last night and and even call it a doc is is. Is Loose. It's called million dollars each house or something on on on a documentary. Young People J.. Work to make it. No. I I turned to Jew. And I said to her as I've never seen anything more long island than this. Yeah. This show to me and I don't even know that I I think, I'm just kind of captured by like. Oh. My God I grew up with these people. I don't know if this resonates with anyway I. don't even know even interested in the show because they can't look past it more than these are the people that I. was uncomfortable with and hides. Yeah. Better. Now, adult everything about show scratches an issue for me that allows it. I have trouble watching like Long Island and very. Certain elements of. Real housewives. Of. New. Jersey. Scratch it to I'm around my mom's ends and stuff and I, and I like it. I, can't. This is not I don't want. To close. Yeah and that show that show really I mean like last night it was like Like I just felt like. Really. Got Me in a way that got me angry Evan felt like that in a show like if you like. When you put it in Long Island and in the Ham, and it's like they're just selling real estate in the Hamptons. It's it's it off. That's amazing and horrible it really it really like. Got Way. That's really a I've been. I've been doing a lot of I got in a Jag of now going on just like more like music Docs. Watch that. Laurel Canyon. One I watched the one that's about the band which ones were brothers, which is fantastic. I also watched a couple that are like that are not recent documentaries, but either re watch them or watch them for the first time. There's a the this documentary about the band called X. With Jesus. John DOE and Van. It's a great. Band. Los Angeles punk band and it's called the unheard tapes or the unheard music the unheard music and it is fucking amazing. It is a documentary that has told exclusively in footage. And Wow period specific interviews. So it's not like static talking heads now it's not like it's not like looking back on their career. It's it's present tense using it's very collage it feels like almost an experimental film, but it is all about x and it's fantastic. L. The L. A. of that era of the of the punk rock scene that is a part of in that era and it's really it's on prime it's worth watching He knew it. That makes me think of what I I am so excited about this Peter Jackson documentary about the beadle you heard about because it feels like that's what he's going to be doing. They're just kind of not tampering with it just. Yeah. Arenas genuine. Yeah. Exactly and really assembling it. This stuff where it's footage based is really because that's Laurel Canyon is like that as well. It is just footage and then people's words play as vio worry is no you know you know people first person that was. That Apollo Doc was one of the best things I've ever seen. Ever. I mean, as far as documentary because it was all the footage from the Apollo Moon launch and they just they feel that they invested on every the Etta Cameron every possible. Asian. Oh Jason you're GONNA do it. Do it and make your house as dark as he can make it and turn that sound up. It is no. No video it's just it's just footage. Footage with the real voices everyone Yakking J S. it's it is one of the one of my favorite docs have ever seen. I would love down Yeah Okay Great Apollo Thirteen. Yeah I. Think maybe it's not that. I know it's thirteen I'll figure you can look it out and I also watched I also watched a documentary about a band that I loved coming up called S- lint. That is like it's a Louisville ban that had a huge impact on a lot of like the bands that came around. After them but they were like teenagers who kind of only made one record and Lance bangs did a documentary. On their anniversary that's called bread come bread crumb trails and it's incredible will Oldham and all the guys participate and it's really fascinating and interesting it's it's just it's it's wild to watch because it's a documentary of a scene like Louisville music of that time that's really vibrant and exciting, and also like how these teenagers these kind of like teenagers who are all in these disparate kind of punk bands, hardcore bands, different kinds of bands come together and form this like incredibly evolved. Fascinating band that then kind of burns out and the the after effects are felt all throughout the kind of mid West music scene and it's amazing. The Apollo eleven by the way Apollo Eleven grey doc I was thinking about. You have you seen the Action Park and that's on Hulu. Have you seen the Action Park documentary yet? No, that is a good. It's great. A thin park like is action perk like part of your childhood at all or no one hundred percent another like I remember that my parents I mean Again without spoiling it because it's really fun. My parents put the fear of God in Me Action Park was flocking dangerous very dangerous. It's all you everybody injuries breaking their Nath and the. 'cause he was. I remember there was a one. Can think of it like would go up a very tall staircase and then you would get into a tube and the to book down and you get so much momentum that you would go like you would do a full circle until you go out. But that's where kid broke his neck. It's like you are in you're doing these I don't like. I don't know if I love this Gary Waterpark ride because. I don't have enough control of my body I like I will do a water bucket or I'll do some things but I'm not doing anything where my my body will be held. No I don't need that I. Don't want that. I don't that kind of pressure on my body I mean rollercoasters. Yes but. I'm not geared I. Agree I that kind of stuff. Well, that's the thing is like those kind of Rye or those kind of places are. If you're going to like the random off the beaten path. Yeah. Action Park. Type. There are places in New England that were similar to Action Park that we're just kind of really sketchy theme parks or you know they. Were like this is dangerous, but then but action park is very famous for. Causing so much Demi and destruction. The the DOC is called Class Action Park because that's great is it is the world's most insanely dangerous amusement park and that is. That is it was so I mean and I only knew it. Like that as a kid I'm sure the people who made this doc probably figured it out as well. But like I remember there was a thing called an Alpine slide. So it was like, yeah, we get into little car and you'd have a break if you kids are flipping off of that and your skinning the fuck outta their legs and needs you refine, but it was like. It made me understand that theme parks were dangerous I remember like, yeah, there is a big one. Yeah. Yeah. The I grew up near adventure land, which is figured prominently in good time the Safdie brothers movie your good times. and. And that caught fire when I was a kid and there was an even six flags great adventure I think people died in haunted house they're like, I. I grew up I. Love crazy parks. But I grew up around knowing that they are incredibly dangerous like the six flags fire was like. Would you WANNA dine a fucking haunted mansion i. mean that was like, Oh, I know. That but the irony is insane I know. I mean, there were so many fires and so many weird shit going on like Oh man. Yeah. It's so nuts. What else was going to say Oh, I was GONNA. Say I was GONNA mentioned I've I've watched a bunch of stand up specials. Yeah. I watched Sam. J has one that just went up. I think recently that's called three o'clock in the morning. That was fantastic. Yeah. She's fantastic I. Loved that I watch Eddie Pepe tone special which I. Will really made me laugh. Every pepperoni tune if you don't know any pepe tone and episode is a staple of the newer comedy. and La comedy the first time I ever got a Gig I was hired with Eddie Pepperoni and then he pepa don't feels funny yo-you. Feels like he has been fifty five cents since I met him. Yeah. Twenty some odd years ago. Yeah. Yeah. And he is I mean and I don't think he'd be offended is the most blue-collar New York guy but also on this path of enlightenment like it's always A very interesting position it's very funny to watch him as an from an old man's point of view do very funny like twitter jokes. Yeah. Like do very funny jokes that are about like modern like social media and stuff. But from the point of view of like a detached old man, it's he knew the very funny special. It's on Amazon and if you don't know him give it the first five minutes. If you're not like cackling in that first five and I mean I was like this is the best open of a standup show ever because yeah, it feels as if it was not. Prepared at all. well-crafted. It's he's so fucking funny man he won. It's a great special and then I can't remember I might have mentioned this when we talked last. I remember. But I also watched Hannibal's Miami night. Oh? Yes. On and that's I don't know if we talked about this I. I've been doing this thing where I've been holding off on watching certain things that really love like the quarantine kind of started maybe a week or two and to better call Saul they love it so much and I don't think I was a mentally in the right place to enjoy it. So I just kind of put it on the back burner and then I finally like just devoured it and one of the other shows that are really love so much is search party and midway through that season right now and man. that. This season is great. It reels geyser thing that show is great. Very rewarding. Especially like they managed to change the show every season but yet they keep a continuity like it's like You know it's a really rose. Yeah. If you don't know it, this is this is a show that has been on tbs right starring, Ali a Shaukat and it is now if you have HBO Max, it is part of HBO Max. So you can if you have that service now it's all three seasons are available to you to watch. I cannot recommend a show more highly. Like, it's some of the best they they capture whatever hipster is is in a way that is so unique and Yeah, it's really really. Opposite of that, which is also on Hbo Max we Hbo Max we talked about this has all the Alan Partridge Oh my gosh. So good right. But they also, so they have like a pretty good library of just British comedies. So I've just watched both seasons of Jamie Dimitrios, staff. Let's flats. Title that is impossible to say easily. Staff let flats Jamie Dmitri is he and his his sister is in it is well and she plays the she's in what we do in the shadows is her name Nadia. She's married to Matt Berry she's though Vampire. Yeah. So it's her and Jamie brother he was on an episode of fleabag. He's like British comedian and basically it's about a like a an apartment rental agency. It's about a guy who tries to rent apart Moga and but it's just in that British, way it is it is really just a a show about a bumbling moron who who is constantly vacillating between incredible arrogance pomposity and then crippling vulnerability and insecurity and it is it makes me laugh it's also about a Greek. Family. So there's a part of it that really hits me right on that front as well. It is fucking hilarious. There's only twelve episodes of total. So it's it's a super easy there half hour episodes very easy to watch very quickly I burn through the whole thing over the weekend it's fucking grow. I. GotTa Watch it I I got caught the other night. I. Was doing my puzzle. I've been building puzzles during quarantine which Oh. Yeah. Fun I baby. No I get it I get it. I did a really intense Mondo one for marvel ten year anniversary of marble, and now on a die hard one and they're to these Great Mondo print. So it's kind of fun. The Dr One is is very cute like. Caught caught in the middle of. What do you do? You listen to stuff while you're doing? Are you? A lot of the Times I pick shows that I can enjoy. But I don't need to have my. Only look at it. I listened to that's how I do like I've done a lot of. Stand up specials while I'm puzzling I. Kind of check in on it I don't have to watch every visual moment of a stand-ups but yeah, because I'm kind of in a zone but I'm also like I feel connected both like. So last night, I was working on my puzzle and watching the Alan Partridge special where he appears. On a show an ought. A show about books like so he's like so basically he's promoting his book, but he did it in a really funny way he created like a parody of. Literature show or a book show and it's it's so great because they'll read sections of the book which the book is. Amazing. The audio book is even better but. Him just talk about how much of a reader he is and how he loves. And he has nothing at no. No. He never really with an example. Yeah. He clearly just on this is a publicity tour and it's It's gory. It's so it's such A. Such. A small thing it's like it's A it's over the top hilarious in the sense of like ears a crazy because you're just watching him flounder for forty minute. Yeah. On this show that he has no business being on these just doing it as a cash grab and it's and he's got to sit there and have this educated conversation. It's so. I love that about like British television that you could do that. He's one of the best people creating those really uncomfortable sitting in those really uncomfortable beats when when when his character has utterly failed to do what he set out to do you know Um hills me. Yeah. I've watched a whole bunch of the Steve Coogan stuff just. It's really great that all of this stuff is just there. Now I mean like this sounds Corny but now no, I mean look I'm so Yeah I'm going to go and watch things that I've been wanting to watch the other thing that had been another talking about shows have been going slow on and I'm almost done. But I've really been like doling only out for myself is I may destroy I. Don't know if he talked about this show I haven't this is I'm about to start I I won't I won't spoil anything all I will say. I was nervous to watch the show because people it. It's a pretty hard show to watch. End It is, but it's not as hard as you think it is to watch. It's what I think is so amazing about this show and I would love to will let's reconvene 'cause. 'cause I'M GONNA I'm about to now that it's about to start it. Yeah. Now just say. What is the show is funny. It looks beautiful. The acting is amazing but it delivers one or two gut punches per show and it's one and I think it's I've just never seen a show. That can vacillate or fluctuate. So seamlessly between tones and it feels so I mean it's very much like life. It is It's awesome. I can't wait for you to watch and I can't wait to finish it and I would love to talk to you more. It really is yeah she's amazing. All I. WanNa say is she made chewing yes. A couple of years ago the same same writer. Actor, Miguel goal I hope I'm pronouncing her first name is. But all I want to say is this give her and the Phoebe waller treatment because she is so deserving of it like she is. So deserving of this is want to make sure that like people not that I have. It's like this show is twelve for everybody I know has been talking about this show for the last couple of weeks and so I'm excited and it's almost I. Don't WanNa. See here anything else. I WANNA be like you go make what every I mean. Just keep on making your shit like I don't want to you. You want her to retire. But anything know that voices. So kind of. It's like she's disfigured out something in its wow. She's awesome and I love chewing gum to also. Yeah I was GONNA say can we can we? Can't remember if we mentioned this already but the EPA, the second episode of the Chris Gathered show that we did together not the what's in the dumpster episode, but the other one is also on HBO. Max. Oh, it is. That's great I believe it is on HBO now. So an episode that So some of you have watched we've we've promoted the hell out of the dumpster episode of the Chris Gathered show that we did many years ago. That's available for free on Youtube. Now, if you're in an HBO subscriber, the Second Episode that's I think called screw it, show us your pets. Yes. is also available for you to watch, and it was both of which are some of my favorite things that I've ever done. is you and I toward Chris gathered on his own TV show. So if people are interested, you can watch that I'll shut out a couple of other things just quickly I finished Avatar the last air bender and I have no three and a half seasons of the legend of Cora Wa which is fucking incredible I think it's absolutely fantastic in the same way that I feel like. The Harry Potter books do the Kora. Story is aged up from Avatar. Great. So it is older people older problems more complex storytelling really fun to to go through I've really been enjoying that I watched both seasons of an incredible TV show called lodge forty nine on. Yeah Yeah We. Jim Yet oh okay this is great guy that's on my list of yeah got holy. Shit, it is fucking great Both of those seasons are fan fantastic watches and are really good what else oh I. Did we talk about the Sochi Tano audiobook? Which I'm. I'm actually reading Charles Soul. Darth vader comic from twenty seventeen that one on. One it's vader one and basically pick right when the emperor awakes Anikin. Any realize. Starting it's Cool and the premise of weight. It's a booker. It's a comic Oh. Sorry Comic at Charles Goal. And so basically, it starts right. You know. So gets like no no that moment and then it makes it really great like it takes that goofy moment and transforms it into something so much darker and. The, and this is not spoiling anything like the first part of it is you know he's like your lightsaber was stolen. But that is not you. Anymore you need to get a SIP blade which is red and and you have to go get this blade. So his goal is to get it's like Darth vader get his awesome so. That's great. That is also part of the Sochi no audio book because Sochi Taino at the end of clone wars gives up her life abors in an effort to so that people will think she's dead. Well right. Now, I'm in the middle of clone wars and I think she's dead in clone wars another I'm not a clone wars in in rebel rebels. Yeah. Oh. Interesting. Yeah. So. I. Guess. Potential spoilers. But so a good portion of the book is about how and what it takes for her to find and replace I won't use any specifics and and create a new lightsaber who I love. It's so exciting and electric to watch I just WANNA shout out a couple of other things just because Oh PODCAST. Wise. I don't know if you've been listening to podcasts. The new season of you must remember this is all about polly plateau. Yeah. That was phenomenal actually. Instagram live with Carina where we We watched what's up doc, which was so good. He never seen. So good. What's up talk also on Amazon Prime Right now I'm watching so many weird old movies because they're just on prime or your there on November. So good. and. Then I'll also say I'll also shut out another podcast that I love that's called the secret history of Hollywood. And it is this guy who does these deep dive season long almost almost like book length like some of the episodes are three four hours long Oh. Wow. The first. Season I guess the first whole season was about the producer writer producer. Val Luton kind of changed monster movies in Hollywood is part of old golden age of Hollywood kind of Guy incredibly interesting Made Cap people and All these movies and all this stuff all the like really integral in changing horror and what we understand horror in in modern times and now he's just started a new season of the show and it's all cary grant and Oh. Oh, I got two episodes are like each five hours long or something like that. It's super impeccably researched incredibly indepth So if you are somebody that. Likes those kind of deep dive podcasts you know like hardcore history or whatever if you can if you like those kind of deep dives, secret history of Hollywood is a very worthwhile addition to your podcast Majority of time has been taken up with the NBA. And the playoff just have to say like There's so much talk about so much unpacked there. But as an NBA fan, it's amazing to see. What they are doing and how they're using their voices to effect change the fact that we are going to be able to use the stadiums as polling places and that they're going to basically use the power of these owners or these equity holders to. Push some political change. It's so exciting and it's a Cooper's Fan I've been so like incredibly blown away by Doc rivers who if you've not seen his speech that happened? Last week ish. After. James, Blake it's really amazing and Bringing us all back to podcast I will say this. 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227: Getting High On Narcos: Mexico

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227: Getting High On Narcos: Mexico

"In Mexico or you'll get the marijuana. Then you'll get the power then you'll get women. This is the extra hot great podcast episode two hundred and twenty seven for the week of November nineteenth two thousand eighty. I am seedless version David t coal, and I'm here with evidence, bud. Sarah. Devante, sir. Take a big way of Sinoloa cowgirl tar area. No. And lot Patrizia Maggie Sirotta. Happy to be here. Welcome to extra hot great for thanksgiving week, which we are not taking off because we are very industrious. And dedicated to you our listeners. We are here to talk about narcos colon Mexico today. And before we start since there was some some controversy about this on her social media. We may talk about everything this whole season, including Howard ends the finale might be riddled with spoiler. So you have been warned officially be aware. And joining us for this discussion is I guess Maggie Sirotta Hello baby high having me. I take personal issue with any one getting mad at a spoiler of if the show is based on true vents. That's a great point. We were talking about homecoming last week, which is not. But yes, this is this is well covered ground week. See the covers of time magazine literally during the season. They literally talk about what happens to KiKi Cameron the pilot episode of this whole series like the. They talk about what happens to the sky like in the Escobar years. Yeah. I forgot about that. So we should clarify. So narcos is the three season cartel drama on Netflix that primarily revolved around the first seasons the exploits of Pablo Escobar and this season three was still in Columbia. But this is I guess a spin off slash prequel. I was writing the show notes for this. And I wasn't sure how to describe it because it's kind of both which moves the the action to Mexico as the title would suggest and to to the early the very early eighties. So now, our our protagonist is the affirmation KiKi hammer and played by Michael. And he moves at the beginning of the series from the Fresno area to Guadalajara's where they are initially. Right. Yes. And then he proceeds to try to to end the drug trade Maggie. What did you think about the the move of setting and the new cast where there any standouts for you? I really like Darren Stayton, I'm sad. He didn't get the do more. But he was a nice presence. Like, those kind of nice character moment for him. When when he talked about like when he reacts to the horse getting shot. He's he's one of the squad of DA guys in Guadalajara, also featuring Matthew Letcher who has been in everything maybe best known for the early days of scandal. And then a four guy who every time I saw him on screen. I thought should be Michael Tournus who was not. That guy. I think his name is Ron and then our lead cartel guy is alternately Miguel or Felix played by Diego. Luna of e to mama. Tom Yan fame who he's people can real crag you guys he was like a teenager Murphy. And he's he's done some hard living felt how how how did you compare for you as a as an antagonised to Pablo, Sarah? I'm not sure there's really a direct comparison like public bar in narcos prime was so like with his, you know. His hideous sweaters and his norm core styles and his the way he could say who. Always have it be like medicine, but also Alaria 's and it it never fails that after watching a bunch of narcos episodes in a row, like a cat will do something stupid. And I'm like. Point get it. But I've been waiting for Michael to have a real breakout. Like he's been on the verge for like fifteen years. Yeah. This guy on I hope this makes him into a huge star. Because he's really good. And I'm always happy to see him and stuff. In my notes. He is of course, Felicity, Michael because. But I thought it was time to move the series. I liked the casting and Diego. Luna. Like, all of my notes are bitching about this character and his blow dry and his striving and his overreaching, but he's really satisfying guy. Like you're supposed to be rooting for him but against him at the same time. And there's something about like whenever one of his plans goes to shit. It's like sad. But also satisfying and one tiny note like just learned to spoke, bro. Like, I'm sorry. I know it's bad for you. But this is really not convincing. Just like Brenda Walsh bad, especially if you're smoking like twenty three six like this character. Yeah. Exactly. But I I mean, I haven't watched the. Whole season yet. But so far, I think it's doing all the same things that narcos prime did, well, which is showing you making both sides sympathetic, but also making both sides antagonistic. The subtitling is good. My Spanish is not the greatest, but I can tell when it's being when it's being like kind of bungled on the subtitle level. And it's it's appears to be accurate. The this. You know, pacing is really good like some of the episodes like I would just click over and be like Jesus Christ fifty eight minutes like. Can a girl just up over here. But I you know, you get sucked into it. And it's very suspenseful even though as we said like spoilers or not really pertinent, but the sequence early on when he's he manages to get himself invited onto the bus and get out to the farm. It's it's a breath holder. I thought it was good. I'm I'm really enjoying it. And I'm definitely going to finish season. I have a different take on the the anti-hero here coming coming off the Escobar season one and two and then even the Cali cartel and season three this Diego Luna's. Character Felix seemed very understated. Not in a particularly satisfying way. I thought he was sort of Volkan knee and his approach like his cold volcano logic. Oh, yeah. 'cause he was so compartmentalized. Yeah. And I understand that as a choice speaking to the character. But it doesn't necessarily translate into a compelling watch. When he's on the screen. I never got a sense of the menace of that character at the end of it. I kind of felt like he failed upwards, but is this kind of thought his understated approach to the character. Cut. It did a disservice to the ark of the season. I mean, I mean the ark of him going from lawful lawful evil to chaotic evil or whatever he was at the end. I didn't quite by that progress when it came to Felix. And I think charisma had a lot to do with it. Well, certainly roughest more fun to. Yes. Watch and enjoy just like hurling cherry bombs into a pit. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, there's characters that can pick up the slack. Like, obviously Rafa was an interesting character. I mean, my favorite character into series is done Netto, which is love him. Yes. He gets all the best lights to secondhand, man. That guy that actor totally wins. My most expressive phase television award. What a failure enjoyed when he discovered CDs. Yeah. I sorta like a well-fed Danny trae ho, face wise. There's a lot going on there. And it really he uses it, and you could tell the writers were like, oh sweet. We have one of these that were totally writing or him like his line about the number two guy doesn't solve problems. He just points out. I was like I'm a stitch that on a pillow. Are you the number two previously? We're all member on that theory. Guess now. Probably just going to put them out. I agree with Dave that that that? Felix was less watchable than Pablo. But I also think the first series did a better job at showing how like Pablo couldn't X extricate himself because like the cartel project was part of his he had these grand ideas about how he was going to any. He did legitimately do charitable stuff. Was it wasn't. Okay. Given where the money came from and what he had to do to get it. I mean, maybe not. But like he did want to try and get into. I am not whereas like other than than the class mobility aspect of it. And I think they tried to get at that by sort of describing like, you know, having having other characters outside or characters like shit Unson. Aloha and be like, oh, I heard they're going to pave the roads, and like sort of give us an idea of where they came from. And why this was such a big deal for them to get to the point where they could own a hotel where they kill the guy that time. But I think that like the, you know, the public stories may be more has it's more gripping because of the the grander ambitions that he had perhaps let's talk about let's talk about the cops a little bit too. Because one thing that sorta rankles me, and I feel like it's weird from your point this out as like a non Latin person that the local cops in Colombia and Mexico are presented as like uniformly corrupt except for like every season. There's one guy who hasn't been turned. And he's like the good guy. And I feel like I won't go so far as it's racist bourgeois at this way. But it's uncomfortable to watch because it can't this can't possibly be. How it actually was not to say that there wasn't rampant corruption as there is in probably all police departments, by the way, right Maggie, what what are your feelings about the way law enforcement is portrayed in the series this series in the franchise. Well, this is always kind of a hard hard showed for me to watch. Because like the show never really grapples with like, the reason all this is happening is because of all the demand in America right for the product and the show never really reckons of that. And I think that's a hard thing for me to just kind of sit back and watch it because it's like the writers aren't really owning. Like, what's really driving this whole economy? Yeah, I agree with that. And also like it's not enough to also show whoever up the chain on the American side, they have to appeal to to get whatever dispensations to do this or bad or like all of those guys are all shitheads, but they're not pro-trade in the same way as they're not portrayed as being compromised. They're just like, I don't know lazy. I guess like that seems to be that was kind of a runner for key character through the series as well that like he gets so frustrated when people like just have to be tricked into doing their jobs. Yeah. I didn't get what was motivating KiKi to be. So over the top like, maybe there was something subtle that I missed, but I didn't understand why he was dodging bullets while his wife's about to drop a kid lately. Why was he like hunter from the show hunter when life? I mean in fairness to KiKi his his wife did go into labor early. They did say that. So just kidding. That's not a defensive him. It's still down. It's like why is he wandering off alone on a rogue mission. When like he's got a kid. He's got a wife. He loves family. I think we're also supposed to be like at the end of episode three when agent Terry Bradshaw is dead is like, well, it turns out these flyovers or bullshit it. Now, we're going to raise some hell. And it's like, oh, yeah. Well, the white guys on boards, and now we can like now we can start. And there are I mean of all of all series to tackle this. Like, I I think they do the best. They can in terms of trying to hang a light on. Hypocritical assumptions made by American viewers about who side you're supposed to be on it cetera and so on but. You know, I that was a little like, I I love that actor, and I was like, you know, all right freckles like, let's sure like get on board. But it's also like. I mean this series is really not. They don't do that whole AAC Caucasian hero is is saving the day thing. But it's I think they also as you said Maggie, they don't they don't grapple with the fact that demand for both the product and enforcement of like arrests around the product are both American and the US comes down and sort of tells them their business, and I like, I am a true crime person. But this old system, Allah G is like way above my pay grade, my true crime consumption. But like the fact is if you're if you're going to sort of write off. All of the local law enforcement is corrupt. I think you also have to acknowledge that the other choice is literally death. It's yeah, gore death, and sometimes even when you choose to be corrupt. You still get killed like I think it's just a different level of. Stakes. Yeah. That the show doesn't always. Dig into which it's it's not afraid to dig into a lot of things that were to be worry. So. Tell that guy to cut the airplane propeller once. Oh my God. So will were to need one. Interesting thing about this season. Narcos is sort of doesn't follow the rule of equals, which is bigger crazier and all that doesn't have cat woman and the penguin in. Like like that season is almost feels like Mexico should have been the first season. Yeah. I mean, I guess Pablo is the the more known quantity. So. Yeah. And Columbia should have been the second season because the stakes are lower. The Mackin nations are a subset of what was going on in Colombia Colombian drug trade is the prime mover and everything that happens in this season as the season progresses. They go from being a marijuana consortium to being a delivery service through Mexico for Colombian coke, and that sort of drives the growth of the empire, all the crazy shit that happens to feel at all. But it never feels bigger or substantially different from Columbia in that way. And I felt like although enjoyed the ride at the end of the season. I didn't feel like I'd seen anything particularly new. I think it's like I mean, I think the story is always going to be the same. No matter who's on top. It's like there's gonna be a rise. And there's and then it gets too big. And then the hungrier, you know, the hungrier businessmen come up now that the guy on top losing control. He's on their flesh. And yeah, exactly it's behind the music. But what if what if they took attack like the wire where instead of focusing on the criminal kingpins, they looked at this part of the drug trade in what it was doing. And then kind of had a different focus Ritchie's while still keeping all the departments in in the story. Right. You know? So the wire went from dealing with the detectors and the drug dealers dealing with Llosa logistic operators in it to dealing with the politics and all that. But everybody was still in the game. Or it's the story of the place. So this season would be seen alot. And then next season would be. I mean right now every seat. Is about drug enforcement agency versus the drug lords. What season two was more about the local police if that was the focus while still bringing in everything that might be a little bit different. I think that might help solve some of the same Innis of this image because maggie's right? I mean, no matter the location, the high notes of the story are the same drug dealer sell drugs. Everybody else helps right? It's it's behind the music writ large. Yeah. Everything's a motley Crue vity up until. Also, I thought this season was a little as processing we were dealing with marijuana grow this time instead of coca farms, and all that from the first one thought there would be some new stuff than I felt like they kind of did a shorthand speed up through getting because it was like well burned his desert, and we're trying to figure out how to get the water. And now we have ten thousand billion acres of weed. Yeah. A fast forward to Felix's ascension. And you know, maybe it would've been more interesting. If they could have slow played the start of it a little bit. I agree the show still good. I'll still continue to watch it at going forward. But I do I wish it was more feel like they're they're obviously they are trying to make you empathize with the cartel guys. But I feel like they're still I feel like there's still too much of the cops. Like I wish there were a season. I wish we knew that the next season was going to be like by Mexican and South American writers like to tell that lived perspective because Sarah said like word, that's that's what we're not getting Tara. You know, if if you want to focus on a compelling, you know, anti hero. And if you wanna see his journey like in two thousand eighteen if you're going to have Walter Blunk, oh in your show than to like, you really have to step up your game or you. You have to perso- fi what you're doing with the show. And I think they went the other way. But boy that's a challenge to get that Diego. Luna character to be carried the whole thing that type of character Diego. Luna that he has very sad is and I did a lot like I kinda got why who was so compromised because even they were kind of light on why or not compromise. He was so like compartmentalize. And so like such a control freak is like like, they kind of undersold his backstory a little bit. But I'm using made up for that. With just like how sad his face his eyes are and if you look at the actual Iggy Ardo, the actual guy. Like, oh, you really has this that is like it was really good gassing interesting. Well, something that really bothered me. It was like the show also sidestep that there's like, wow, you're fighting this drug war down south lake. Another branch of government is bringing drugs into the country. Yeah. Yeah. They were a little cute about that. Yeah. Which is like so beyond fucked. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'll say this about next season. One thing. I know about one scoot mcnairy goes to Mexico is he's gonna run into some monsters. Prequel monsters, the prequel to the movie monsters. It is time to go around the dial everybody talking about something they're watching these days for stop tar. I watched all three parts of shut up and dribble and annoy your thinking Petar, you hate sports true. But I do love to learn and this is a documentary, and I also like to judge people which there is plenty of opportunity to that. So shut up and dribble is produced by LeBron James. And I believe Jay Z, it's Showtime three part documentary which journal how you say your name L hill. Yeah. Okay. She wrote the narration, and she she does does Asian throughout. So it's like a sorta starts from the perspective of I mean, the the jumping off point is title suggests a detail that extremely hateful Laura Ingram made on her terrible show where she told LeBron James to stay out of politics and just shut up and durable. And so this is like a, you know a historical look at. Social activism in the NBA from the very start and why that's important, and and some of this I knew a little bit. I also watched the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar documentary on HBO a couple years ago, which is also great. And. Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Yes, exactly Brown commercials writer dancing with the stars star Kareem Abdul-Jabbar forgot he was also on that dive show until it came up recently again. But he was he did that to anyway. Airplane metro? Yes. Yes. All of those. So it they touch on this a little too in OJ made in America, which is you know, talking about the history of of activism from plaque athletes in America. And why that's important. And that's that's kind of the the the the thread that runs through the whole thing. Like how if you're in this incredibly rare position of being an NBA star and having this kind of privilege. How do you use that? On behalf of your community. And it's so great. I mean, the the sports the sports scenes are also good. I I don't care about sports. But if I had to watch a sport, I would probably watch basketball. I enjoy how fast it is. And you know, it it goes through like the bird magic years. And you know, how Michael Jordan was like a different kind of athlete in that. He did not use his position to help anyone except himself to get rich and the dream team in like, you know, Alan Iverson and all of the racial aspects of how he was covered and stuff. But the best episode is the third one because it it covers the rise of LeBron James who I didn't realize he was recruited straight out of high school. Because as I said, I just I don't know anything about sports. But he he is like definitely on the right side of every issue. They obviously talk about him moving from Cleveland to Miami. And like the show that he did. And they got him. And you know, obviously he interviewed because it was his production. And he was like, yeah. That was that show was a bad idea. But it had already started. And I was you know, it was happening. And I couldn't stop it. And and getting to the point where he goes back to Cleveland, and I just like I find it. So moving. His love for Cleveland and Cleveland's love for him. I mean, obviously the turned on him when he left, but I've lived in like ten cities in my life. And I don't care about Eddie of them that he cares about Cleveland. Like, you know, they don't even get him starting school. So LeBron James is a great, man. This is a great documentary. Listen to basketball players, they have good ideas. And they're on the right side of all this and not Dennis right, mental not guess who does not get featured very much. I think you get a couple of like Biro shots of him. But yeah, it's it's generally pretty positive. Yeah. I learned a lot also could have been alternate title for the cool kids would work there too. So. Great point. So all three parts are up on show, showtimes, Apso if you missed it. They're all under an hour. And I very highly recommended even if you don't care about sports like me for my plug. I will mention again with this because we are also not taking the week off for thanksgiving. And we have some real coworkers of episodes coming up, including one with a real housewife. I will not support spoil who. But I gasped when I saw her so yeah, check those out. All right Maggie. It's your turn. Okay. So I was flipping channels last night. And I the Clinton affair is on a so I stopped and watched that for a little bit. And it was the first time I ever had heard the recordings that Linda Tripp had made of Monica Lewinsky. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know where to start the stock humanity because like as far left wing as I am. I can also say that Bill Clinton's a bad, man. Yeah. That's something that neither me through the through the elections. Like now, I honestly have no problem believing that guy wrote to people. Yeah. Allegedly for legal purposes, allegedly legibly. But. Looking back. I you just gotta view of how vicious that culture was at the time. Like, I was in high school, and I really didn't wasn't sophisticated enough to know that like how horrific Monica Lewinsky was treated, they showed some clips in the documentary of like Jay Jay Leno sketch where they were making fun of Paula Jones. And they just had the Oakland up this woman in like a huge does and gave her big hair and setter in like a like a trailer park. And it was just like this horrifically misogynous like classes sketch on unlike the tonight show that people are just laughing at and Jay Leno is. Just like chuckling through and it just oh, I mean, every all we all did and my skin crawls like listening to listening to the slate podcast. And just how they sort of repeatedly. Go back to how shitty we all were to all of the women. Not not really the men the women, Linda Tripp. She can go fuck yourself, but the wells. Yes, she totally can I called her award hug several times in print, and I don't regret that. I mean, well, there's also a segment of the documentary of you hear Linda Tripp talking to the. To the book agent where she gets Monica to confide in her then I miss Goldberg, and I can't remember her first name Lucienne. Thank you. And you're talking about like, oh, I'm interested in the story. Now, tell me more and like when they're talking about how to approach it. They never once stop. And really reckon with the fact that they're like they're about the ruin someone's life. No regard for like what's going to happen? The Monica because I don't know if I could have gone through the way, she I mean, I've I think luckily, she had family money because I know she was like on employable for a longtime. But like, I don't with the resources. I have I couldn't have that's a road. I probably couldn't have Hoed. Yeah. It's amazing enemies ING how my opinion about that. Whole thing has changed to that. Like at the time. I was like, well, she's an adult woman. She knows what she was doing. That's not central harassment consent. Like, yes, so dumb. It's. I wish I could like her for every bad thought. I had about like I am. So Monica are you listening? So sorry. Come on the pot TV show she had for a minute. Mr. personality, you it was a dating show on FOX where she was the host. And the premise was all of it was like the bachelor, but the guys are all in or the bachelorette. The guys are all in masks. Can you imagine? Like, I mean, we've all made bad decisions like for the rest of your life. You are now like I think Jesolo writer wants put it like for the rest of your life. You're now judged by the worst person you blow. Yeah. So the show is good. You're saying, yeah, it's really interesting. I mean, it's just kind of good. But it's also like watching a slasher movie or like torture porn movie. Because it's it's looking back at a time when we were all horrible. Yeah. No one felt a need to not be Harb. Everyone felt completely entitled to be horrible. And it's just so brutally humiliating and upsetting to watch them. Well, that's eighty so check that. What do you wanna plug? We'll plug your we'll link Twitter in the show notes as equals. Else? I am a staff writer at spin. You can really every day. It's been dot com. An couple months ago. I published a deep dive into my favorite movie. So I married an axe murderer. Oh, yeah. Yes. That too. So. Yeah. If you want to check that out, I wouldn't hate it. All right. I swear the last I'm going to talk about for a while. But after Markaz anti pumped up patriot again the entire decided this was a weekend. We were going to watch the whole thing and watch the whole thing we did two seasons. Eighteen episodes. I believe right. Yep. Eighteen episodes. The reports are true. This is a really good smart show. And as everyone who talked about it before Mark, Jeff, and I forget, which one of the ladies was talking about it, the all sort of had difficulty describing the show to other people, and I get why I mean the best I can do is. It's like a Koan brother movie that's on Sola. Getting an adrenaline shot straight to the heart. You know, it's like parts by show. But it's also a cop show too little bit of like HBO's berry in its DNA. But it's also like like if you took that description at face value. It sounds like a kind of a depressing very gray show. And at times, it is dour, but also very winning at the same time. Like, even when it goes dark. I think a lot of that has to do with the lead. Michael Dorman plays John, and he does immense amount emoting within a very narrow range of emotion. You know, like, he's he's a sad, man. He's got you know, post traumatic stress is depressed, but he's also a spy part excellence and this cast around him really elevates you'll his his role. We got Michael Tournus tar tar mentioned Lou while ago. He's. From Manhattan to right? Yeah. And orange is the new black. He plays pipers brother on that. Right. And so he's a great counterbalance to the character. John he plays his brother. He's a junior. Congressman he loves DV. Spec- boys is always wearing like traveling anywheres tracks. And but I want to say a special show to Chris Conrad as Dennis he is the craters brother, right? So this guy is he works at the cover workplace that John the spy sort of gains entrance to in order to be able to fly to Luxembourg to do spice stuff. And he is like this needy adventure seeking self proclaimed best friend of John, and this guy takes would have been a really annoying character. In turns it into something oddly endearing even know if you put all his deeds, and what he says on paper, he comes off as a real jackass and dick. But there's something about this guy. The way he preaches the character. It's not quite a mand idiot. But it's close, but it doesn't cross that line. That is just like such a well thought out and considered approach to this character. And I think that speaks to the show itself. Like, it's really well thought out it's sort of one of those shows like kneading bread kind of like advances of bid and takes two steps back and kind of goes like that. And cycles, and it's very satisfying to serve sort of have these storylines play out sort of like Yohan eighty percent per episode chunks. And then he little backstory on the episode before you little story on six months before for the characters are really into shit with the current storyline. Very satisfying and Markle's Zandi was right. That the third episode of the second season was a real tour to force really marquee things happen. I won't give anything away. Because if you're gonna watch it it is really a fun surprise tar you wash with me thoughts. Yeah. I will say rewatching the pilot because we had tried it. Once we watched the pilot, and we're like just vote for. Yeah. Yeah. And watching it again, I was like, okay. Yeah. I remember what aspects of this turned me off. I will give it more of a shot this time, and it it is a slow burn. I know in this day and age, you can't really tell people like no you have to watch nine. And then it really gives. It doesn't take that long. But it, but you do there. Is a lot of like really pilot cutesy nece in the pilot, and I feel like Amazon pilots are especially guilty of this. Because they have that whole thing where they'll just they'll just do one. And then have you vote on them? And I think that that I don't think they do that anymore. Maybe not. But I think they did at this time. Okay. And so maybe not I might be wrong. But I, but I there was there's it's so much world establishment that it's like too much. It's like it's like it's like eating a whole pixie stick like it's just and the show is much more thoughtful and much more of a slow burn in like things are set up, and then they pay off Wei later or like in reverse or in the past. Like, you see how they got to this point. And also say. To the older characters. Terry Quinn, plays John's dad and handler and Kurt would Smith plays his boss at the cover company, and they are both great in their very different bald ways. But late in I in the first season, the two of them have a scene together on a boat on a hunting trip that is like one of my favorite things in the whole series. Like just seeing the two of them in a scene together is great because they're both amazing. Obviously, we all know. But yeah, it's a really well cast show. It's it's yeah. It's it's as good as everyone has been saying. So thank you to everyone who is hammering over the head about it. It was a very satisfying way to spend a weekend. And Dave mentioned, Barry, Al also say, it has some things in common with kidding as well, which we talked about a couple of months ago with Allen when it premiered similar like dad manipulation of troubled son stuff that I think and and similar, you know. Not elastic reality. But like very dark deadpan sensibility in both of those. So if you liked one you'll probably like the other. And just quickly follow up on the teen. Titans stuff last week. I asked people to send me their suggestions. Based on the very funny. I that I watched on the four sending tip and I have got into watching anymore yet. But it's wanna say thank you because I had like an overwhelming response. I'd like a dozen emails on with lists and suggestions, and one of the common suggestions was the watch the movie that just came out. So I think that might be the next stop teen titans. Go to the movies. I believe that is. So that might be the next. Thank you very much for emailing me at some point in the future, probably circle back and tell you about the movie. It's time for extra credit. Tara. What are we got this week? This comes from Dan casino. Oh, dang casino. I should have that. But I don't. Found it Dan casino rights who is the most underappreciated staff member of an appreciated show. And as Zambales he suggests the whig Wrangler on the Americans, the set director, recreating soul crushing conformity on the office. The Cote buyer for Fargo give them the props. They deserve. I have to one since we're coming straight off patriot is I will say the title card designer for kidding. And patriot both of those do unique title cards for the episodes every time and with kidding. It's usually like a stop motion sort of crafty thing, which is like fascinating to watch and very beautiful and patriots all looked really different. But I feel like in season two, Dave. Would you agree? They really stepped it up. The are very if you know this I dribble with three Bs or very dribble word. Yeah. Sometimes it's not something that you realize until later and then you'll go that's what that title card meant. But they're very pretty to look at men. My other is the sex. Geography on Sally forever. Became that seen in the first episode, which I mentioned in our last podcast was yawned Maggie. I would like to give props to the thought. Whoever styled Lee Russell on vice principals. Yeah. I love it. I mean, they had her and say put that guy in together were. Wow. I didn't know they worked, but they worked. That's the Walton gones character. Yes. Constructed an incredible southern dandy out of him. Amazing, sarah. Going back in time a little bit to the sopranos and the food Wrangler stylists slash crafty, particularly whoever came up with that trip casserole that Ritchie gives Carmella sees season too. But I mean, all the pasta looks amazing even when it's not supposed to be that great like that scene where they're eating steak eggs after they kill that guy. They killed guy. Guy. Just everything always looks delicious and his lit in a way that is possibly only familiar to me, but also very appealing. So that's fine. Oh closes out. We've been doing a thirty rock rewatch here as mentioned last week's cannon. And I have to give it show to the musical director of thirty rock. Jeff Richmond whose team to face husband. I wonder how he got that job. But even though nepotism was involved. He really proves himself. I was watching a interview where they were talking about the Milton Green kidney song, which is there. Like, we are the world send up what went into building that. So apparently within the course of three days, they got some of the beats of the lyrics from the writers. He had to like pull in reform all this into a song. And then they had to like logistically shoot twenty five musicians all in one day and build up this this whole scene. He's sort of responsible for getting notes from the writer's room turning him into actual songs. The Cleveland saw where we'll bar. Mitzvah tennis tonight. Make a pizza Mr. Templeton, which is like one of my favorite stupid things in. The show, and it goes on and on buffing top and all that. But also like just the incidental music. He does I feel like is like an unsung hero of thirty rock. It is so personal Mayes. But it's not corny and goofy. It never sort of comfortably sits behind the script and the acting of thirty rock in the same with Kimmy Schmidt, which he also does it never overpowers. It always augment instead of overpowers the not the banana in the smoothie which. You can do. So my pick Jefferson from thirty rock. It's time for the cannon. Tar is doing cannons missions weekday way Tara. Okay. We're here to talk about season five episode three of the Larry Sanders show, titled where is the love and that starts at like, many other episodes with the titular Larry in his show within a show delivering perfectly average monologue of the sort we as viewers are accustomed to hearing. And then it turns out that the plotline of this episode is going to revolve around the subject of exactly how perfectly perfectly averaged that monologue is Larry Sanders show gets reviewed by real life. Washington post. Tv critic, Tom shales. He doesn't care for what he sees. Larry can't let it go. And here are the reasons that I think this episode is canon worthy number one, it rests on a simple premise that comically progresses because of what we know about the characters. So the viewer. I finds out about the bad review by seeing Larry's staffers reacting to it and bracing for Larry's inevitable freak out as soon as he finds out about it. Remember, this is nineteen ninety. Eighty six. Larry could absolutely get through a whole morning in Los Angeles without necessarily finding out what may have been written about him in a media outlet based in DC. It's not like anyone's going to tweet him link. The article might not have even made it to the post's website, and Larry probably doesn't use Email. But anyway, here's how it begins clip. One ler must've been cruelly stir for love mom and dad, you can see the neediness on his face from the moment. Larry begins what he calls a monologue. What I call a desperate cry for love Jesus. Tom shales? Larry. This is great gonna come in. Here is going to be a moon. He's gonna throw it all my monologue jokes. No. This is worse than time. He said Larry's face was popica-. Burglar told your mother Bard. Clip this bar, but we already also gets on the phone and talks to her. And I love the detail that he calls her Nancy, like, of course, Ardy knows beverly's mother's first name because he's already and because because already is already he has a strategy already announces it in advance of Larry's arrival in clip two. I'm sure you won't wanna show later your concern and support concerning support mex- Larry thinks something's wrong. So let's just act like nothing's happened fill. Yes, sir. Those are the last two words are going to hear out of your mouth. Good morning. A great show last night. Larry. Oh, thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Hey, I just thought of this. I was a swimsuit model in the I can't believe it tonight catalog. Really? I just tell you. Because Ardy knows everything. His prediction comes true. Larry is a species of the staff's warmth forcing already to admit that there's been a bad review naturally. Ariz attempt to put it in perspective by reminding Larry about his millions of fans doesn't work and Larry's novel perspective on his current predicament. Is that his fame disadvantages him against his critic clip three just because I'm famous I gotta take this kind of crap. And then I can't do anything. At least if I was a regular guy walked into Avar. And some guy says your puffy, and there's meeting written all over your face. I can take them outside and do what? And I am speaking hypothetically. If Larry can appreciate the irony that being so obsessed by one bad review, kind of proves Tom shales point about his neediness. We get no evidence of that moving on number two this episode. Let's Larry's narcissism run wild viewers of HBO's. Larry Sanders show. No that guests on unnamed networks. Larry Sanders show pass through Larry's life to be of use to him briefly. Those who have the bad luck of being booked during his anguish over Tom shales learned that the way they will be used to Larry this particular week will be to get dragged into his bullshit sting has to feel too harried request from Larry not to play king of pain. Lest it be misinterpreted as a meta comment on Larry himself staying in his BIC. Dick energy have no empathy for Larry's sweaty desperation in clip for. The kind of pain. Hat about pain. Was about me. But that'd be it's about you. Okay. See out there. Larry's lead guest. Sally field must endure much worse though. While Jay Johannesen is performing she asks Larry whether she did. Okay. He assures her that she did. And she credits him with being so funny that he relaxed her he worries that he was off tonight. And she tells him she doesn't think he was cliff five. We say. Cure approval. We do always kidding. I mean, I'll go home tonight and wake up my nine year old son and ask him what he thought I rely on his opinions sales future. That's such a time capsule to I don't do television anymore. Pre brothers and sisters and maniac. Anyway, Larry continues haranguing her backstage, recapping the bad review for her and forcing her into doing the emotional labor of telling him. None of it is true, which she doesn't her spin is that he has the courage to go on stage in front of millions of people and needy. Apparently, it's what he needs to hear because he makes out with her. And then asks her out using the shows as dating services classic, Larry. We may be somewhat relieved that he's not so far gone about the shales reviewed a pass up a chance to hit on a famous female guest number three it nods to the intimacy of late night shows it's hard to remember this now at a time when most viewers experience late night network talk shows, if they experienced them at all in the form of segment clips on YouTube, but in the pre DVR era, even a casual viewer might choose a favorite host. And if one happened to have the TV on post primetime turn to him only hymns being available then as now devoted late night. Fans would watch that show. Chosen guy, every weeknight, and for that, you were host would have running bits that would span multiple episodes like Letterman's Oprah log in which he tracked how long it been since he invited on the show receiving no response sometimes they would arise more organically in the way Letterman mocked John McCain during his two thousand eight presidential campaign for cancelling a planned appearance. Dude of the financial crisis only to waste time in CBS news studio instead. Larry's response to the shales reviews to turn his extremely real pain about it into a fairly lane comedy bit hanging around his neck assign identifying himself as a needy talk show host and shaking tin Cup that gives shales a new thing to slam giving Larry more material the cycle continues. And thus are the late night hours filled over days and weeks. Larry's joke, isn't especially inspired. But when there are fewer options on TV so-so gag could be made to work through sheer repetition. One of the many ways the Larry Sanders show showed it really got hell late night. TV worked for shales. This all pays off when he runs into Larry at a restaurant. This might not be as chancy as it seems. We know this particular location is the one restaurant Larry takes all his dates to and maybe shales just had one of the posts A based entertainment reporters pointed to the place he'd be more likely to cross Larry's pass. Anyway, here's how that goes clip six. Hi, tom. Why Larry doing? Tonight just want you to know something, Tom. I I don't have problems in criticism. I think you know, that about me. But I think when you attack my personal. Life and stuff about me being needy and not getting enough love for my parents. I don't think that's right. I think that's over the line. How come you never have me on your show? Larry. You bet other critics. Cisco at big bet. Roger Ebert change salad. Rex Reed never me. I'm not sure why Tom shales who was not just a real critic. But even at this time a Pulitzer prize winning critic would play himself as such a star fucker, but the reveal that he's also needy immediately diffuses Larry's anger it. Also adds another realistic layer to the episodes portrayal of who does what in the egos system that is late night. Tv finally and most importantly number four it gives an HBO gloss to classic sitcom situation. Let's back up a little in the plot before Larry and shales meet at the restaurant. Larry is still seething the day after his tin Cup bit. So he writes jails a letter clip seven. Want me to send this to Tom shale? Yes, they have dumb. Fuck. Going. The Beverly, of course, refuses to facts the letter so Larry declares that. He'll just do it himself confident that he won't be able to figure out how Beverly leaves them to it. But what do you know, Larry can figure out the fax machine clip eight? Dude, them Fook. Who are you to sit on your fucking ass while I'm out there? Working my ass off twenty in America, you bore yellow-bellied dickhead. You just sit there watching me hoping the world doesn't find out. Fucking fraud. You are. Sincerely, Larry suck. My cock center. So Hank assumes he is the letters intended recipient and honestly based on his relationship with Larry over the years. It's not that crazy for him to think. So he responds in kind in clip nine there. Larry. Shales is my favorite writers surly. Hang blow me Kingsley hoax for filled. Well, there's nothing funny about it. Well, the indication is Phil Beverly after all ready the second most omniscient person in the office knows it's Hanks writing so Ardy goes to hang to tell them about the mix up. So when Larry stammers out in apology for the facts to shales at the restaurant only to hear shales, never got it. He's relieved and he already in Hague can all laugh about it. The next day clip, Ted. I got Tom shales facts. He told me I'm really sorry. Actually, it's good because I found out. Pain you. So I forwarded your fact to that asshole this morning. Right. You sent Tom shales tax that starts out. Dear dumb fun. Dumb. Fuck. So if not for the setting and the profanity this storyline could be three's company. It's a perfectly executed plotline and won the show knows well enough to end before we have to see the consequences that we can easily imagine based on what these characters have shown us over the previous twenty minutes. The Larry Sanders show is one of TV's greatest series set behind the scenes in the world of entertainment, and this episode is a perfect encapsulation of why it feels at once real an absurd and despite being a premium cable series when they're hardly were any. It's not so pretentious that it can't make a screen with horrified laughter at a misunderstanding plotline revolving around a letter addressed to dear dumb fuck. Whereas the love gives us the Larry Sanders show at its needy neurotic best, and I hope you will induct it into the canon. Thank you, Tara, mega your guest. Why don't you? Give your thoughts. I. Oh, man, where do I start? I think some of my favorite interactions of the Sepah sewed were between Larry and Hank and just like the hostility with which Larry just vomited onto hang 'cause I guess when Larry's more insecure. He asked us very kind of shifting comfort with how everyone around him. Just kind of tell somebody wants to hear and kiss his ass. And when he's deep into that like self-loathing place that I'll a lot of comedians dwell like you really just kind of Bob it like bile onto Hank. And it's incredible. Yeah. I also didn't click the part where they're reading the review Hanks assistant is reading to Brian is reading to him. And thanks just nodding sagely like terrible read it again. That. And there's that part where like there's a little addendum to joke or like someone like, I guess. Already asked Larry why he broke a cop news goes Hanks? I love the idea that no one respects, Hank. Hankas fine actually gets to be on TV. So that's all. I really liked this episode as you know, one of my cannon criteria is whether I like want to go and watch the next one whatever the show is which I did I feel like I haven't watched much if you know hardly any Larry Sanders, but I did watch that part Garry shandling documentary, and that may be feel like I knew the show more than I actually do. So do you think this is really typical of the show was hilarious. It was really interesting to watch this having just. Done like going back to back with the thirty rock. And then like earlier this month, we talked about the Seinfeld episode, and there's like JFK chew your joke. And it was too. To have that like these little callback within the canon. In a in an episode. That's the meta commentary about critics comedian self-loathing. I, you know, Tom shales, I think he loved the show and was quoted pretty extensively in the documentary which. Again, I really enjoyed. I think I talked about it in around the dial and gush should watch it. If you have our props to him for playing a needy version of himself on. Yeah. Exactly. And staying just like snickering, and there's like sort of a runner about that. He's like can't he played different song. And then when you realize that it's been sting playing king of pain. And he's like you asked for that. Like what a perfectly Sanders Larry said or staying. But also what a perfectly Garry shandling thing. And to have Sally field. Come in is like, an even like meta on the meta commentary on neediness after the like, she sort of referring to you, really like me speech. She doesn't actually say the words and you have to fill in the gaps. Just let it was really. I mean, it was just one penny. Johnson Jerald is a treasure and should work all the time. Yeah. Even like, you know, you start right in like, there's different tamper. And you're like, no like how much time I going to have to struggle with this and like a little but first of all the show humiliates him on a regular doses. Even intra and episodes that was fine and he plays a bad person. And he's and he's also flawless as that announcer. Like the the way that he echoes the real they like, Don Pardo or someone like that. Like, he's really good. But then the character is really bad. So you can sort of enjoy. The character with less. Guilt because he's shit head. Yeah. This was really fun to watch. And I'm like this is on my one of these days. I'll watch the whole series list. And I just bumped it up after this canon presentation. Well, Don, Tara. Hey, I honestly think this is the best show about show business. It's really good. We reason we just did a full rewatch like within the past couple of months, and that was when it gave me the idea to do this particular episode. But yeah, it's it's a great show. Definitely is. And I have a couple of random comments on things that happen to the episode before. I get into why I really like this. Okay. So fax machines. Larry has this problem where like gets the, you know, his page into the facts machine. And then like everything goes bad for him. He says it to the wrong number backs machines when they started, and then sort of when they ended they never improve the interface or how you send stuff or anything like sending a fax, right? The first time is impossible is either. Sent it. The wrong way became elite before anyone ever figured out. How bad before apple can get their hands on facts. Just like nobody could figure out how to make it. Friendly at it never was out and cumbersome right to the end. Yeah. And then they try to improve it by nyc put a fax card in your Pentium three eighty six right for your computer's like, Nope. It's more complicated. Now, I have all these sympathy in the world for anybody who had these fax machine targeted mentioned at all. But one of the bits on this show is jigs Hansen is the standup act on Larry Sanders was going to be the next big thing. Right. Everybody thought at the time. Yeah. Kind of like Seinfeld big. And he just kind of never hit. But we need to talk about the tie. He was wearing that is nineteen nineties. The Brandon Walsh collection. Or the Jim Walsh collection. Really, really? Totally was the Tim balls collection. Minus all the chest hair. Like it looked like he was the he was the maitre d' at a family friendly family price Italian restaurant in your neighborhood. The needy talk show at joke within the show was so incredibly bad. I'm not quite sure. Like how much that was workshop to be bad and how much of it just was bad? No, I think it was like intended to be bed. I feel like I'm sorry to interrupt you. But I feel like the show they were aware that this is kind of a stale period of the talk show era like the kind of format is just so stale. And I think it really was by that time. And I think if you look at all the sketches this off sketches were horrible could not have known. All the sculptures were just terrible. Yeah. There's a there's an episode with Carol Burnett where they're trying to write a Carol Burnett Esq sketch and the Larry Sanders crew like can't do it. She gets up he gets fed up. And you know, it's just a disaster. And yeah, no. I think you're right. And but it's just like, okay. Yes. Obviously that was a good piece. They did know what they're doing. They intentionally wrote a terrible joke. But is so terrible. That kind of comes back around again that doting it you know, what I mean? Like, it's such a perfect of terribleness to me. It's the kind of thing where it's like he wanted to do it. No one wanted to write it for him because it was such a bad idea. And he did it anyway. And so this is his version of the defiant terrible gag that. This is the best version of that. He personally could do which is even worse than a bad version. And then you have the whole misunderstanding. You're the three's company esque misunderstanding about the facts we've seen that on sitcoms million different ways with a million different scenarios. But like what makes us? Different is this is the HBO version. Right. Where everything is dialed to eleven. You know, it is a dumb fucks. It is not just you. You mean guy? So I really elevates. What is a TV trope? But at the heart of it is just like a show about is security and Larry Sanders lays it out for the whole world to see. And it's like a fascinating train wreck of an episode of the showcase that usually for Larry Sanders show, if it's already light, I tend not to like it. But this is such a perfect Larry Sanders. Showcase like the character. Just being insecure childish, pouty and spoiled. All while being an extremely funny thirty minutes, it's not easy to sort of like Sanley pathway. Everybody knows he tried to raise Tony stark as a real shithead and tried to make people like him feel the Larry Sanders sort of like that, you know, like, you just terrible guy, and you try to make a quality product run a character that everybody should hate all the time. And they'll funny episode a great show. So well, done know Sanders. Also, he hooks another hallmark of Larry Sanders show is Larry hooking up woman should be out of his league and taking field that one restaurant. Yeah. Stage stage sixty two bistro. All right. So with that. Let's put this to the official vote Maggie vote. You cannon worthy your day. Yeah. Saturday bunting to gay for me. And you know, what I'm going to go to so. Larry Sanders show season five episode three. Where is the love your here by inducted into the extra great canned? American level. And we'll not tolerate a little. Before we start winner. And loser of the week. I just had one thought that I forgot to mention Tara mentions stings big dick energy during her kids sufficient. I just wanted to do a straw straw poll. You can ping extra hot great on Twitter extra podcast, how many people what she said that immediately pictured sting in his dune space Speedo. All right. Sara has winter this week. That's where I could follow that. But the winner is Bosch Bosch was renewed for season six before season five even premiered that will happen. I believe April of twenty nineteen season five that is normally I'd be like, this is a no one cares. But but the fact is I think I have converted a few listeners to watching the show. It is a very good solid b plus a minus procedural that. If you like that kind of thing and with the holidays coming up it is bench worthy, and you might enjoy it. So I am pleased. I like that show people like it. I have a sub winner before. I get to my loser. Which is high maintenance, Abe? She oh is finally moving to Sunday nights. Woo kidding. I'm very slick a real boy. I know I'm very happy for maintenance one of two great underrated shows. But my loser. Brian Austin green deadbeat dad on the league's everyone last week was hitting up our again with this winter feed to let us know about this. Strong. Yes. So apparently, she has been calmed. She commented on an Instagram post about him being sold. This is Vanessa Marcel. Yes, I'm sorry. His his co star on nine hundred. Oh, and also the mother of one of his children, and she gives us it was like really just jumped went wild on a totally semi related post from Lisa Ling's Instagram that she has opposed coming up about custody cases. And then was like speaking of custody cases, my entire life, basically, Brian Austin green is a terrible father. He's he doesn't ever see his kids. Like, I think has not been paying for them. They've been fighting about this for eight plus years. He just doesn't give him access to his other children with Megan FOX like he's just a bad person. And even though he was TV star a long time ago. I still printing it here because he sucks and also he was on that Terminator show Sarah, Connor. So he's been on TV in the relatively recently last ten years or so, and it's not the kids fault that his dumb parents named him caches with the K. Speaking about things, do you know, it is is time time, sure. Back the game time everybody. This is the second game time of the season season. Standings are value. Guests one tars aero Sarah zero today, we are playing order up from Caroline from France who earns herself and extra. Dima for an extra credit topic or Dave for sitting of her Tuesday. Now this game was created with the help of at e s g assist on Twitter. So many thanks to the grew there at H G assist for fleshing out this game. Everybody's gotta eat even TV characters. In today's game. We're going to give you a character. And you tell us what food they like the most or are most associated with. Here's an example, the cookie monster from Sesame Street. Cook cancer, cookies, sir. All right. That's why we burn that one on the example before we get into the game proper. Tara can you please give us the steel situation? And explain Stu mills to our value guest. Megi? Yes, I can't Sarah debugging has eight steel meals. Valued guests have one steal meal. I have steel meals and the way steel meals work Maggie is if another player gets a question wrong, you can jump in and say steel before they before Dave gives the correct answer. And you can try to steal that point. Now too, right? All right. So in this game order up we have fifty one questions because we're a little short on time or Cording late today. Louis no equalizer challenge zones today. So with that let's throat to picky to see who is going. I. We'll start with Tara. All right. We're gonna go Tara Sarah Maggie are we ready to play order up. Yes, sir. All right. But still it. Here we go. Now, we're starting with breakfast. Foods are the answers to all these questions in round one your character. Eleven from the show stranger things, Ango, waffles, waffles, one point Saturday bunting, Jerry Seinfeld from Seinfeld. Oh, jesus. Cereal. Whenever anything's, Jerry. And I have in common. Maggie Omar little from the wire. Can't eat guns. I will give you hint is extremely Jason to the answers already given. Pancakes close it is Honey nut Cheerios on Chiro about that. All right. Tar area. No Wilson Fisk from daredevil. Oh, I don't know breakfast foods. To Dave points for Sarah defunding for the answers. The answer. However, real answer on 'let omelette. All right. Sarah bunting Homer Simpson of the Simpsons. I believe he has been known on occasion to enjoy Donut. Until he doughnuts. All right. Final question of round one for Maggie, Leslie. Nope. From parks and rec what breakfast food. Are we talking about? She likes waffles with a bunch of like cool cool whip cream on top like all right, one point waffles and to Dave points for really drilling down. And. Yeah. All right moving on to round two. We're talking about snacks snacks. Our area. No, your I is Chucky fister from Rugrats. Good luck. I know he never once. Graham, crackers. Yes. Where is rep? Tar bars star survey butting Jesse pink men from breaking bed. Remember sour patch kids. That seems right. It does the answer even more right fundings? People. I would've guessed math. Bethlen? He only don't I don't think ever uses supply at math. No he used his own supply. Just did we didn't he said to watch more of a meal than a snack? Anyway. Yeah. That's true. Fox he had a whole buffet drugs. Fox Mulder from the X files. What's snack is he associated with it? Sweet potato pie. Sunflower sees was his snack of choice. I remember Laura Terry Jeffords. He likes yogurt who loves yogurt. Terry loves yogurt. Point Saturday, bunting, Liz lemon from three rock. I got two answers. I will accept I've not gonna know either of them. So just gonna guess crackerjack. All right. I would have accepted night cheese or. The terrible. Semen both even Maggie Kojak from Kojak. I've never seen it episode of Kojak. Let's rock. Or his cigars edible. Steal meal the air. It is those are lollipops no point. Tara, Brenda Johnson from the closer. She had a drawer of chocolate bars. I think. She had a drawer full of ring dings which are hose. TV Baroness thirty bunting Olivia pope from scandal. Is red wine a snack? No. Steel mill Nokes. Go for steel Maggie. Popcorn. Haired with red wine often but popcorn is the snack part of it. All right. So now out of seal meals, there is only the one. All right. Maggie steel mills, but it has irked turned for her question. Eric cartman from south park. Hojo's? Oh, the answer looking for his cheesy poofs cheese. All right, Brown three and our shortest round. Why we're talking about vegetables? One question for everybody. Bear Tara Jacob from grace and Franky. Wrestle sprouts. The answer are yams. All right. This is the tough one for Saturday. Bundling Bugs Bunny, I believe he likes carrots. Anchor Maggie Dwight sh- route from the office beats. Spells etc. All right around four, lunch and dinner, lunch and dinner. All right. So more substantial things or lunch and dinner starting with Tara Michelangelo? From teenage mutant ninja turtles pizza pizza or Sarah, mardi glob from big mouth. Running gag. Yes. She might not have watched enough to know that. Yeah. Well, it's of all soup. I don't know. The answer is scallops. So interesting choice. Another parks. Clue for Maggie Ron Swanson parks and rec a general food item. General food. Yeah. Like a class of things like an eilly fine of the grocery store brats section. Tar area. No SpongeBob squarepants from the same. There's some kind of some kind of burger at that burger place. Correct. But we're looking for by name, the crabby, Patty. Oh. Saturday bunting Eleanor from the good place. Now, all I could think of is chowder because of the. Oh my God. I don't remember it. Sorry. I don't know. Tramp shrimp. Mike, Amer tro ember trout from breaking bad and better call Saul Irma travel, German atro- sorry. And that's where Maggie sorry. Oh, Mike from better. Call Saul and breaking bed featured in both. I'll give you a clue this is his stakeout food of choice. That doesn't help me. I'm gonna go Eminem. This is lunch and dinner. Remember, so it's not. Yeah. The answer was Pimento cheese sandwich permit. Oh. Everybody's last dinner and a luncheon dinner clue coming at you. Tara, another parks Rick clue Ben Wyatt from parks and recreation CAL's zones cows zone, Lieutenant Columbo from Colombo, Sarah. Are not episode. We watched them pretty sure. I think so. Peanuts. He wasn't he making chilly in the kitchen and the episode now, he's making an omelette criticizing. Yeah. Yeah. Was the answer. She was gonna get sorry mislead you jug, head Jones and Terry from respectively. Riverdale and Bob's burgers. Jug. Had I always drinking coffee at the diner jug, head is slash dinner. Yeah joke heads, Terry. Riverdale bird. And I don't over think it. Burger hamburgers. Iraq. And that takes us into our first break tar, well, it is a very very very close game. Sarah, and I are tied with four points each megi as all right? And now we are in the next round, fruits and desserts. Roelant givens. He of justified. What fruit does he like fruit and desserts dessert, I'm not a steel meals. Apple pie. All right Maggie. You can't you can't provide us with the answer seem very confident. Oh, I just love when he throws his soft serve out the windows. He gets a call scream scream. Never Boyd wondered opened a Dairy Queen. It was like there. They just never work. God bless you Boyd Michael Weston for Saturday bunting Michael Weston from burn notice. Burn notice. I feel like I should know this because he was eating them all the promos. It feels like. But now it just can't picture of what he was eating. So I will say that he enjoyed. Bananas. Yogurt low yogurt more problems. All right. Maggie Dale Cooper. He of twin peaks. I'm there are couple answers here that are would be corrected. I mean, if we're getting we're gonna split hairs split them. P always like cherry pie. Yeah. But they're definitely a couple pivotal scenes of donuts. Thank you. We're gonna appoint for cherry pie and willing to give to day points for additional information. Demand. Loved his coffee. He did dean Winchester of supernatural. Tar. Brownies. He went to the supernatural just loved all types of pie. He was a pie fiend. Hi, Sarah, d bunting. Picky comes through again. The golden girls of the golden girls. She's cake. All right. Here's a last fruit. And dessert question for Maggie, Sean Spencer from psych? Cake. The answer. We were looking for apple pineapple, correct? Did I know that? It's guys who've been eating a lot. Now. It's time to wash down with something. Welcome to the liquor round the liquor round area. No J D from scrubs. Apple teeny. Please. Late on the teeny. Sarah, d bunting, Don Draper from madman. Yet a favorite drink just fucking drink. Anything? Bourbon. I don't know. Why buzzed you, I have no fucking idea. When old is. But that was it. It contains bourbon, but has other tapes. Yes, it sure does give you the judges have to Dave point pretty all right Maggie. Yeah. J Nick and Jesse from big mouth all drank this liquor. I never seen this show. So I'm just gonna save AGA? As her. Cotton candy brandy. Sounds for volt by kids for kids. Jessica jones. She of Jessica Jones. She just drinks whiskey. Right. Just whiskey. Yes. Saturday bunting norm. Peterson from cheers the air. And finally Maggie Frazier or Niles crane of Frazier. And I dunno Frazier. Sorry, Gimblett people to me. The most common drink, Sherry, correct? Well, yeah, I mean, I guess they drank Sherry spiritually they drink him with their hearts. I'm giving you one spiritual point no cash is. We're all tied up all tied up and here is our next round other beverages. All right. So basically, soft drinks and alcoholic stuff. Tara Laverne of Laverne and Shirley. Oh, didn't they drink milk in coke? So close, Pepsi and milk. Okay. Sarah bunting Gianluca card of Star Trek next generation Earl grey hot. Maggie Walter Bishop of fringe. I'm gonna say this could have also got into Sirte. Wow. You're giving me all the shows. I didn't watch. It could have gone into desert hot chocolate. Try to steal meal. This actually. You did do most days but looking for root beer, floats. All right. Tara radar O'Reilly from mash. Oh, I know this. I don't know cream soda. You're in the right department. What do you think it's purple knee high? Great knee-high nice. Chu chu. Grape sodas to grape sodas and he's looking for trouble. Bunting Laura lie and Rory Gilmore or as it is in this clue from Caroline Lor, light, Rory Gilmore. Well, they drank a lot of coffee. No. All right. Maggie be Baraka, s-, bad attitude. Brock is from the eighteen or milk, drug milk. Correct. Yeah. Tara. Philip j fry from futurama slur. Oh, you love this worm Saturday bunting the students of Saint Bernardine from American vandal season two. Lemonade. And finally Maggie in the other beverage category. Lieutenant Warf from Star Trek next generation and deep space nine. He seems like a jolt cola kind of. But he drank prune juice because klingons constantly constipated because of all their anger issues. All right. That's amazing. It's not that. That's Dave Cole fan fiction. You should've just said, yes. I would have bought it Maggie. Did you have a thought improve juice and klingons? I did. Because it reminded me of that short lived show Elian nation. The movie where all the Elliot's got drunk on sour milk. This is true people. All right scores here near the end, still very close. Now Maggie night are tied with seven each and de has. All right. Well, hate to say this way the game is already over because we're talking about off the menu and everybody only has one question left. Sounds like Sarah. Sounds like Sarah's close it. But there's a lot of Dave points here at play everyone's gonna get three day points to get the question. Right. Tara, how do the rules work again? Currently it's seventeen to Q, but that may change. Right. Yeah. You're playing for for the future. You're you're planting seeds in a garden. You'll never say points come into play at some point in the future, which I decide the value of which I also decide have not come up in about a year. So this is fifty you'd never know in day points are going to come into play. So don't don't don't don't mock them. Don't put them down today points, become very important any moment. Here we go off the menu. Tara Gordon Chevrolet from elf cats, love cats. Sarah, d bunting Clem from Buffy. Oh, getting kittens and for Maggie Hannibal Lecter from Hannibal, and I'm going to have you fill in the blank blank pig. Oh people, but I don't. Good enough if people otherwise known as long, okay? All right. That is the end of the game. Let's officially get the scores. Okay. We finished Maggie and me tied with eight points. Eight thirty bungee Victor with. All right. Those steel mills coming in handy for a Serra de bunch say. Say before we close us out. We're going to reuse the tiebreaker for an opportunity to win you or your group the meal for future use the tiebreaker was condiment question condiment question. All right boy, first person to shut up the creek condiment wins the steel meal. Here we go live more is ambi-. Is. Sara, Sara Fisher part is that even the Sarah anymore. It's Tara repeating the Savary. Now, I'm gonna do it. And we're going to be herald. All right, everybody that is if for another episode of extra hot, great, we snorted up the fourth helping of narcos before going around the dial with stops at shut up and dribble, the Clinton affair and patriot. We gave credit whereas overdue and this week's extra credit topic. And all credit Tara for her passing grade or her Larry Sanders cannon model we crowned winners and losers of the week. And Sarah was a winner of this week's food gametime. Remember? Sitting. I am David t Cole and on behalf of tar area. I don't do television anymore. Sarah, d bunting. Charm bracelet and Maggie Sirotta. Everything's a motley Crue video up until certain. Thanks for listening. And we'll see you next time right here. Extra great. I want you to forget about guarding the stupid completely paranoid. Ooh. Really? All right. Where'd you get T? I Nick did when you let your guard down speed second. And I'd do it again.

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We Gotta Go Now

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We Gotta Go Now

"Hello again everyone. Welcome back to the phantom zone. Podcast co host. Charles skaggs back in the phantom zone. Ready talk more of the boys season two with my wonderful co host and fellow trunks cinema. Podcast aficionado dj. Nick how're you doing what's up. Hey chose doing well doing well. Of course the situation is still as it stands when it comes to italy but gladly. They'll things that keep us. Happy just like drunk cinema which i listened to and really enjoyed and and what i can say congrats on this new venture and i know i spoiled the ending before we go to the beginning. But we've been starting. This cost wanted to congratulate you on this new podcast and this new venture a thinking could definitely appreciate it. Definitely appreciate your support and your help with our intro but We'll talk more about that at the end of the podcast. Because hey right now we gotta talk the boys right. That's more important right now. So we can priorities here so here an episode one ninety five. We're gonna be talking. We gotta go now. You know like from the song. Louie louie f- kingsman where it goes we gotta go now that saw and then you closing song so yeah. This was the fifth episode of the the boy season. Two aired on september eighteenth twenty twenty not too long ago a couple of months ago written by elliott money in who wrote the season one episode the self preservation society and this was directed by baton silva who's new to the show not as familiar with batons work but thought this episode was re done rather well good solid episode for the boys and and i'm definitely looking forward to getting your thoughts on this as we both try to survive the coronavirus lockdowns as they are here. The united states but primarily obviously in italy where you're at. I did want to make one brief explanation. Which because because the word lockdown can be applied. Because i've actually used it but just to give folks in explanation of what is going on in italy. You guys. Obviously in the us have states. We have regions right and all the regions and the have been classified given a color code. They've been color-coded which yellow to red and basically according to the callers obviously there are more restrictions reds regions unfortunate like mine which is lamberti is now reds region which means it is as if it were a lockdown and you can't leave your region but the other regions are orange for example the free so. I just wanted to clarify that for folks. It's not a national lockdown but it's regionally restricted according to how bad the situation is according to the region's interesting okay. Well that's that's pretty much similar to allow of what's going on here in the united states. Where as you said. We have states that some are doing worse than others. Some are on more locked down than others. so i'm sure you have a lot of neighboring regions where people were probably trying to sneak are over there and enjoy themselves right. You know what yes. Luckily we i say luckily innocence. We don't have any thanksgiving going on so folks on worried about. What am i going to do for thanksgiving. We do have christmas around the corner which is not that far away but The hoping to free stuff up a little bit at least for the holidays. Christmas honda com. What have you my best wishes to you. Both you and your country thank you. The same goes the. Us and You know obviously. We need the beat. This is you know we need to get under control. I mean obviously until we get the vaccine and you know that becomes know spread across the globe. Obviously we're not going to be able to get it under control effectively. So so it's up to people to do the right thing to take care of themselves to be smart agreed and and the powers that be to actually be exactly. We need effective leadership certainly in the state of ohio. Where i'm at right now as i've kind of grumbled about on twitter if you follow me on twitter. I don't wanna get too deep in the woods on this. But no no because he. Hey we gotta talk the boys right. But i want to address it because it's something that's very important right now especially with us as now that you know here. In the united states were in fall colder weather people are gathering more indoors and nuts. Thanksgiving thanksgiving around the corner. Christmas just in a month new years. It's going to be very difficult period. It right now. We have hospitals that are barely able to to treat their patients struggling for open beds so we need people to do the right thing and be smart about this yet so i will hop off my soapbox but everybody please be smart because we want you save. We treasure our listeners. Here on the zone. Believe it or not we want to keep you around to keep listening so this is in our interest to write not just your own health which is great and your family's health because that's important but hey we'll be selfish and say. Hey we want you around to keep listening to the phantom's yes congressman charles of myself listening to these embassy. Exactly this is this is this needs to be a win win here. People all right just trying to lighten things up after that rather serious moment all right so So the boy season two. We gotta go now nick. What are your thoughts on this episode. This is as we hit the halfway point in the season because this is only a ten episode season. What do you see things going at this point. Where were you know as david proctor. eloquently said. It's hard today cup. Exactly big shout out to our days when he said it's hard to break up a story in two episodes when you know where the story goes and of course you here. We are feigning ignorance. We don't know where the story will go for the benefit of course val listeners. But what i thought was. I predicted in the previous episode is coming to pass i. E we're getting alliances formed. Alliance is i will say. Very intimate alliances. Yes about getting in bed with the enemy. Which did and then of course we see more of a little bit more which is passed which is true. Say the people in his immediate circle outside of the boys which is nice newer though brief verbal butcher which a family if you will which is nice and of course the furthering of the relationship between hughie and butcher which was nice. I think a few things it had not been said came out and only know i. It's just the of is getting docker in docker as we progress. Because as i said we see what what is happening around us. And it's like what how we gonna get out of this situation. It's like the documents is looming. Here chow was. Oh how how. How are they going to to get out of this mess. Well especially at the end and obviously we have to talk about this. Where where the most dangerous power couple alive. A literal power couple is formed at the end of this episode. And it can't spell good things for the boys. Tv show you know because these two very powerful people hooking up and as we know storm front being of a somewhat nazi esque background to put it mildly. That can't be good especially in in with home lander and he's no i would say is more of his descent into madness and just his ego becoming just this incredibly corrupt force and succumbing to to that corruption that he's obviously just this gigantic nuclear bomb waiting to go off on the show at any moment very true and those who turn to the tune of dream on by aerosmith ties. Rather is rather ironic. I would've actually put a nightmare a a nightmare to remember by dream theater. Which is a song. I absolutely love all nightmare by avenged. Sevenfold which is another song. I absolutely love as well where you could also throw in the house coopers. Welcome to my man. That would have been even better because it's old school and that's actually a great album. You just named one of my favorites cooper albums so one of the things that pops out you know how it is. But i'm glad i get the name. Check that for you. Yeah i i enjoy the enjoy. The aerosmith shoutout because of all the aerosmith songs. That's actually my favorite of their songs. Really yeah it is. Because i love the way it's presented so powerful and it was them in their earliest off of their first album. If i'm not mistaken. I believe that was toys in the attic. The was it okay. It was. I'm not sure but but it was definitely early in their career. Because you couldn't even hear that tyler had not come into his own yet no no. It's a very rural steven tyler. At that point yeah you know. He just doesn't have the shredded voice that we've come to know and they way the nineties and see as they then go. Yeah yeah exactly. so so it's just. It's it's much more led zeppelin esque aerosmith because if you compare it to brief tangent things like crazy. The power hour gap ballots. That's right those ballots from the time. It's crazy to think they did such a almost a desperate song. It's almost a tragic song compared to stuff like amazing crazy crying etc so bombastic would find in. Michael fill like armageddon getting back to the boys. Let's see here. We have some trivia. I thought we could run down The we gotta go title. If you're curious once again comes from a boy's comic book series storyline but again something completely unrelated to what's in this episode so you wonder how they went selecting these things like oh i liked that title and putting is nothing to do with this. This put any attack lead. I think that's what they did. I think because when. I'm holding up right here now for those who can't hear and podcast land or sea in podcast land here. This is a copy of the boys volume. Four trade paperback called. We gotta go now. Is and i love what i love about. This cover is it's a. It's a parody by derek robinson of the national lampoon's animal house movie poster. That's exactly what it goes like animals. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. It's a direct on march to that only it's like a instead of the members of delta tau by national lampoon's animal house it's kind of like a superhero version of that Featuring the characters men which feature in the we gotta go now storyline from the comic series. So so in that storyline for anybody wondering if you ever want to check it out. I know nick. You've got your comic books comic books yet. You know what my my putter rang me today. Saying it's arrived and you know what's i said. Okay i'll go get it. I put it off. Because i had worked to do. And i'm gonna have to go to the post office tomorrow all right. Well that's all right. You got something to look forward to tomorrow that all right. I got my sandman deluxe edition hardcover today and you get your boys tomorrow. So we're both happy all right so so in. This storyline following the debt. The death very public suicide of an original g. man team member silver kincaid. The boys are sent to investigate the g. men which right away should kinda give you the indication that hey. This is a parody of marvel's x men jiman- x. men get it and the g. Men are what's described as vaunt americans most profitable team of outcasts. Hey can like marvel's looks profitable team of out right so in the story line. It's revealed through the through the boys investigation that most if not all the g. men aren't in fact quote orphans and outcasts. But we're actually in this where things take a garth ennis really dark turn that they were abducted. His children injected with compound in order to manifest their powers and it was revealed that the g. men's founder. A guy named john goal golden and other members of the g. men sexually abused their young recruits. Why we so yes so so garth ennis decided. Hey let me take marvel's x men and do a child abuse spin on child porn thing. Wow okay well the lyrics in when it comes to my chemical romance as well. So so dicky got to look forward to stay tuned right over the holiday period. Read about abused people. Lovely but i can Attest without spoiling too much that the boys give them what for so they. So they get what's coming to come up. There is a come up. It's exactly as a certain stance prowess might say. Yes exactly what you've often told the listeners that become even more brutal than what they get on the screen. They're in this is maybe just a small example of what you guess. The boys cummings. Yeah so so. If you joy the tv show and you're curious about the comics be warned if if at all possible if you consider the boys to be a bit harsh at times. The comic is even worse. Jefferson's case then exactly so so you might wanna even be like every time that you're reading the comic book make sure that you have a content warning preferably read by certain dj. Nick handy to let you know that that four mature readers. Yeah the way you talk about. It sounds like the kickoffs movies which apparently average comics coming so wabel brutal in the movies. They are because mark millar. The guy you know the the writer behind kick ass the creative co-creator along with john ramada. Junior of of kick ass he and garth and kind of have that same sensibility. I marcus english and garth. Ennis is irish. What both from the uk. So that's kind of great from the uk which is not a lot of british. Shall we say or writers from the from. The united kingdom brought to comics is brutality. I think competitive you know maybe. American writers my. They've done things too but it seems to be english invasion. Did a lot to that when it came to comex. Yeah in kingsman. The secret service is that was also by mark millar. So if if you kind of see something there as well. That's probably why and that's why. I enjoy both both takashi. Go right. I joy kingsman as well. So all right. And let's see another bit of trivia ellie monahan. Who wrote this episode. As i mentioned is the real life daughter of katie couric the american celebrity interviewer former host of cbs world. News tonight and also Former host co host on the today show here in the united states so so ellie monahan is her daughter and it's interesting because hey katie. Couric appears in this episode. Nice little it dovetails very well with that right you gotta wonder if elliott just pick up the phone and said mom would you be interested in doing a cameo on the boys it loiseau. Well just trust me. Okay writing this episode. You just have to play yourself so again once again. It's not what you know. It's who you know yes indeed. it's interesting how many actually real life tv show host the actually gone to the ads. Menounos the in the previous when we get very eminent. Yeah and this time. We also get antsy odell. Yup who i believe was on the access. Hollywood show here in the united states and other another entertainment news reporter and msnbc or the shout out on this. Please bring rachel maddow at some point. Apparently she's too busy being desperate fairchild. So bad woman i guess so. That's that's where you have to find her. She's she's on the different superhero show so one last bit of trivia. Then we'll get into our topics if you're wondering about the sentence that was in russian that was spoken by the russian mobsters in this episode. Where they're kind of dismissive of emeco as she. When she shows up they they say the line in russian obviously. She's just a girl. Show her a picture of kittens or something and that line is actually the very same sentence spoken by a bunch of gangsters in the second issue of the boys comic book series just before the female aka can meco killed them. Wow so that was so. That was a nice little nod to the second show boys from easily for these exactly. That one was for the yeah. That was a nice easter egg for the fans and no child abuse. Nah not to be seen any all right all right so just mentioned that right four topics today. Lots to talk about in this one once again. These episodes are just jam packed with plot. Which is great topic number one. Let's talk about butcher and fresh off of the his meeting up with his wife then in her son he gets into a little venture here while he tries to go Take a little time out with his judy in to go see his dog terror. So let's talk about butcher judy and terror. But then we also have to talk about mother's milk and huey who show up unexpectedly and then we can also throw in black noir who also shows up unexpectedly and joaquin boys chaos ensue. What else so. What did you make of this. Storyline neck. Well i was actually really curious to see where butcher would go from here because he had seen two seemingly severed ties with the boys. Because we get that phone. Call between huey and billy and here is like you didn't even say goodbye. You know where. Where are you in the pound hueys. Been calling him quite a few times because he says i expected it to go to voicemail. That's why you called me like the times. But but yeah and you do wonder what is butchers as move going forward. Because we don't know naturally and there's no indication of where billy will go after this because like you said he's kind of been rejected by becca but she simply did not want to come along understandably afterwards said about ryan accomplish right and so you know if we go and we meet on judy. I'm actually i think it was you think of row but did you. Butcher was just regrouping at this point. He didn't have a plan going forward. I think he wanted to lay low. If you will and you said gather his go to something that he was familiar with because he what. Hey who who wouldn't love tara. I actually right. They seem super menacing but apparently bulldogs amongst the the most though sil- dogs you could ever find. Apparently they're great with kids. That very very sweet very very lazy. Which is probably why they are. So they and they drool ally true and it's something you know just a little side note on terror. The book series terror is a much more of a major part of the boys kind of books because terror follows butch around everywhere on their ventures with the boys. But apparently eric kripke. The show runner and his creative team decided well. We don't need the added complication of dealing with animals. On top of all the other craziness going on in the show. So they wrote terror out in bothers me because terror is such a vital part of a butcher's character his his persona that a lot of ways terror is. The is a butcher's closest friend. I think okay. So would you say is almost okay. She's more of his friend. You wouldn't say almost like his linus blankets if you will the. He can't live without him if you will not a security blanket more there's just You know it's his loyal companion. You know that The lone ranger his psychic his horse silver. or what. Have you shaggy shaggy-haired scooby doo. But but but But your head it has terror in it was it was a running gag in the connex. Where butcher would have terror go like terror after this guy or whatever and then terror would like know go over there and Do what terror does to that That toy pig. That butcher brings him in this episode. Okay no but well you know what as much as i would have loved her. Seen more more of tara a writing standpoint why would have been complicates i mean. Can you see you have to deal with adult when you're crushing through giant whale for example exactly or you're on the run and you have a dog which is not necessarily the fastest so either you have butcher. Kinda hugging him. Go kind of picking up at skewing. Yeah exactly so. I think you're right. I think the practicality of it was paramount in the decision making of of taking care up to. he's credit though at long last. We finally get to have which you're spending time with even if it's just for an episode we get to see butcher with terror and you kind of get a taste of what that would have been like. Had they done that for the show and we understand. I think in that one this one episode. We get how much terra means to butcher. Because the first thing he says who's walks in the door and sees whereas my boy wants it tells you how much terror means to him and even when the house is under siege. He immediately worries about terrorists safety. So i think that's also a credit to to call and acting as well 'cause he is able to portray how much this dog. We've never seen means to him. Yeah and and. I think i've talked about this before in the comics. That becca was dead in the connex. So as far as butcher is concerned terror was the only thing he had brian. So so that's all. He really seemed to care about was terror. Yeah interestingly enough. Well that becca out of the picture. It's nice to reason he would hold on even more so to to tara but yes was just i mean. I love that dog. Relieving me. As i said i. You know he's a scene stealer if nothing else. If i didn't have didn't have cats you know. I probably would bakshi bible dog because they just so cute for some reason to just give me. I know they seem very ugly. Cute yeah that's right. That's right just by. Selene would not appreciate it if another dog came into the house. really probably. here's the team all day. Yes yeah the so you. Don't you couldn't see those two coexist. Selene does not play well with others. All right well. I can with my cat keiko. She's the exact same way. She's very territorial. And i even if even if it was at bulldog i'm pretty sure keiko with f. at bulldog up big time so money would money would be on keiko. I'm just saying so Maybe it's just me being a little. Brennan home prideful of my my cat daughter. I guess i did. I ask you something. Child sure. the actress who plays jude. I have to admit i didn't go. The itchy actually british that. I don't know but interestingly though yes. Her name is barbara gordon. I was going to say how cool is that. Is that amazing. So so you have background yet. So yeah the real name of backer or oracle. Take your pick Barbara gordon so so. The actresses name was barbara gordon. As like did they do that deliberately. Kind of wonder if the casting director said. This is too great to have a woman named barbara gordon in this show. We've got to do this or it was just a complete coincidence. I was. I was asking that because at times accent seemed rather oftentimes a bit dodgy. Yes i didn't. I didn't buy into it too much. I was like i. Actually you know what i kept saying. I have to check to see if she's british. And i didn't because i was like this action seems almost australian to me even from news edens so i wonder whether as i said amazon the hyenas news even australian actors or what have you because she did not sound british at all but i could be wrong. Yeah i don't know. I mean i'm trying to look her up. I am dp for information but But there's not much here so Unfortunately don't have your answer for you but it could be also that maybe she's not used to kinda that accent either. Maybe she's more cash if she isn't uk actress. It could be a quebec. It's hard it's hard to say but to be fair. You know we've got Karl urban what new zealander. He's a kiwi s is a kiwi. Yes oh doing doing a doing a cockney accent so from the uk. It's like yeah. It's kind of a kiwi british family. Yeah pretty much. Maybe there was a little mixed in there somewhere. I don't know but It's kind of interesting. So so yeah. So what's your is taking refuge at aunt judy's He's i guess that You know she tells him that his father's ill and that his parents are coming flying over to see him. Which butcher is not thrilled about. At least you have to wonder what the butcher parents are like. Yes yes and Spoilers we find out but we're not gonna talk about me do yeah so sorry. Sorry i get mentioned of a younger brother. Yes lenny as we find out but apparently he's a bit mysterious in that regard in we did get a little explanation that that That that but you're in. He were very close but pretty different as it turns out because in judy kind of thinks you know when huey in motor smoke show up in judy kind of thinks it's interesting. That butcher has taken to huey like he did like butcher. Did his brother lenny. So so the question becomes well does does butcher see a surrogate lenny. In huey d. Think i think i kinda think so because the way that judy talks about lenny granted a case not great to say you're reminded me of younger brother because you're skinny and nervous so i don't know whether that's ridiculous. Compliments or not okay. So basically. I'm skinny nervous okay. Those are great qualities. i'll go with. I guess could be worse. But the fact that she talks about the fact. That butcher was constantly defending lenny when he was being bullied and such it. Does you do kind of get. I guess the odor kind of stronger brother and the younger maybe more timid brother relationship between the two so i can see why and for and for we know like as you were you rightfully put. Maybe butcher is looking for a surrogate lenny. Because seems like he really cared about his brother. So that's not know. What do you think that maybe butchers aware that he's doing this. You think maybe it's more subconscious me. It could be a both because the way she talks about about. Lenny is no longer around those dead or have it could be. That's why butcheries keeping hewitt arm's length if you will because he doesn't want huey to meet the same fate because he or he doesn't or he doesn't want to be hurt again like that's what happened to whatever happened with lenny that could also be. I think it's it could be a bit about. It could go both ways. But i think it's maybe butch trying to shield himself at the same time. Trying to unwillingly. Prosser a possibly shield huey from meeting the same fate. And what what i liked about these revelations that it's adding layers to butcher it diane and it also is adding layers to the dynamic between butcher and huey which i've talked about the is something that we need to obviously pay attention to examine and it is such a key element a key component of the long-term storytelling here yuccas in the long run. A wo- payoff listens. Believe you trust me on this. See i've got the trade paperbacks guy right here so trust me So it's not too long before the butcher. I believe notices black nor crawling around on a neighbor's rooftop realizing that they're being surveilled and they know they've gotta do something and they gotta do it quickly. So so the end up taking refuge in what i thought was very funny. They go down to end judy taffy room and it's not where she makes taffy candy. I'll just put it there so now what we find out is apparently judy has a nice little drug business going on onto side. She's the mother superior of the situation to quote trainspotting. I need to see that movie. I've i've watched it entirety. I've only seen piece of okay. But i've already sure i would love but i'm pretty sure i know why haven't spoiled it for you. We're going to save a child's which is not too much of a sports mother superior is the name of character is given to the guy who pretty much runs the drug then. Okay like i said. I need to watch this movie so even spoil for me. I will still need to watch it. Because what i saw was interesting. I just haven't it's hard to. It's it's not on a lot of places. Plus if you like a un mcgregor you have to watch it. Yeah yeah exactly. Because this was the movie that gave him his big break. Greg is break. I think it was his performance at that. Got him the star wars. The phantom minutes gig. He became obi-wan-kenobi off to becoming a heroine. That from a henry night Tubi one kanobi natural transition right so So yeah they. Everybody hides out in the taffy room. A locked protected room and black breaks in. Throw some gas in the basement. They go out a side door but butcher stays behind to fend off black award. Allow everybody to escape so he takes one for the team in this regard very selfless say. What did you make of their their throwdown. Well you always see if you watch this for the first time you think to yourself. Butcher does not have a snowball's chance in hell against this guy because we had a taste of how powerful and threatening black law is. I think he's second only possibly to homeland he might even be superior to homeland if given the chance to be tested because he seemingly has no weaknesses and he's a ruthless killer. I mean he literally doesn't talk and doesn't ask any questions you just do it. Yes and then so you think so. He doesn't have home landers ego. That mean the man is just like boom. Just do it but he obviously you feel the tension but naturally i suppose from an educated standpoint. You think yourself there's not gonna kill off butcher. i hate to break it to you folks. But i don't. It's this is not game of thrones. So i mean but you'd not yet not yet is set for november right then and there you feel this is one of the main characters and not going to throw away in this situation but at the same time that you still feel the tension you feel the threat and you have to hand it to how cavalier butcher is but then again he is cavalier in everything he does. That's his personality. And that's what makes him away. He's that likeable rogue this right now in the kind of han solo sense where where he's very quickly and but but you know a bit of a tough guy but he also fails at times. Yeah so so. He's not a perfect hero but using foul. Yes for sure but you do think yourself. He why he would only do this. If he an ace in the hole which we realize he actually does have an ace in the whole which is of course revealed when he's put up against the wall and about three basically strangled and you tell us of course the president to votes that. Hey i in fact well you put your smart. He knows that That stand edgar is listening in. And he's like yeah. You know well if if black new war doesn't back off. I'm going to release the photos of becca homeland. Your son to ronan farrow. Who's an american journalist. That's been known to doing. Exposes here in the united states and abroad actually got that reference. You you're like captain america. You understood that. I have to say it was. I mean and i misread this with the greatest respect. It was a little bit weird son of son of mia farrow. By the way. I figured as much i like. Okay just pay family but i say this is the greatest respect it was weird seeing black noir. Picking up the phone right. Like what's he gonna say. Yeah he's not. Exactly chatty. Cathy is he he's he's not mr blabbermouth so and so he like picks up the phone. Okay that's what. That's what i think is fascinating about black navarre. He's dangerous as home later but because he doesn't have home leaders ego and his arrogance that makes them more dangerous. I think in the comics is your so mute. Yes i mean by choice. I think oh he decides not to speak okay. He decides not to speak. He's the strong silent type nice. Yeah yeah tell more because there is a big revelation with black show so not going to spoil that because he's kind of important in the hopefully the show will do Reveal that in a similar fashion. If they don't change it. I did think he it was. Maybe we'll most infamous comical purposes when he peaks up picks up. The phone is going to be. Yeah he ain't gonna be right. He should go pick it up. We know what you know. It's black and robert because you don't hear anything back. He picked up the phone. Yes silence right is like oh hey how you doing. Yeah exactly so. Yeah so black Stan edgar agrees. He says okay as long as you don't release these photos. I'm gonna call him off. And so no black noir takes off everybody saved and then when butcher gets asked if those photos are are real you know that was a real thing but you just kinda does the smile knowing smile right that. That's just totally. Bs that is way out of that. In fact because that's that's the that's a smile that we get in tons of previous so that percents. He's totally totally. But but i thought that was all right. Anything else about Pitcher i mean they can say goodbye and everything but and and that's when he gives Terror his little toy pig. That butcher picked up foreign no. It was a toy. Homeland wasn't a toy. Hold inter was a toy. Pin or not toy peak was was his original go frame. Oh okay yeah. That's right is so now now. Terror has a new boyfriend new girlfriend yes because he actually gave him the because of course he gives them the toy home. The squeaky homeland which is is is perfect in bushes terror. Yeah i mean that's that's perfect in his you know for butcher to give him homeland right exactly so it can just keep him warm at night. Just thinking of the of his dog terror Putting it to home leader in his own inevitable fashion right. That's right happy humping so you must be hump day right when everyone's day just think about it all right topping number two. Let's talk about frenchie. Who's following around. So we'll talk about emeco and then we need to talk about cherie as well because we find out that apparently can be co doing something on the side for cherie so what did you make of this subplot to the episode. I would say one of the themes of this episode is actually venting your anger through through violent acts and we will see this. You know i believe last topic chows but before we actually get to that painting you frustration through violence and i think that is. What's cherie is giving to ca- meco schumer. Says you can't kill stone front. So i'm gonna give you something to where you can vent your frustration. I e terrorists all potential potential spies. Or what have you so. I don't think it's possibly the best choice for echo to kind of have her back in the field and being you know violence. Have you understand that. She has this pent up rage because obviously her what she wants to get. It stolen fronts at all costs. But she both sherie and frenchy know that she'd be stepped. Be basically marching to death if she just openly challenged storm front at this point yet and so i guess you amid it would be a very interesting confrontation very much. Hopefully we'll get it. Here's crossed right. Yes i guess kind of like. I need to give this girl something to something to to take her frustrations out on. Serov be innocent bystanders. Let's give it to people who actually deserve it so you get your stereotypical mobsters. Because obviously they wear the. What is the junk that tracksuits tried since. Yeah so so. So if you're of the hawkeye comic book series yes. That's where the tracksuit mafia from the hawkeye cup series by by matt fraction and david asia. As right which. I'm hoping is to be the basis for the hawkeye tv series. That's exactly where i went to ours. Scientists 'cause that's what it needs to be but that's a whole different discussion. Yeah but but yeah these. These are very much. The russian tracksuit mafia guys. Yes you know like you you. You expect him daylight. Be talking like bro. We must go kill whomever bro role. Fromm back and forth or they could have been ex from jersey shore and been the italian math. Yeah yeah but you might maybe over here you know. Yeah maybe that would feel two sopranos. I guess i don't know but But so anyway so frenchies following emeco around and can meco shows up at this Place a fraternity member. Where where she goes she goes inside. I think this is like a bar. I wish i was terrible. Maybe kovic influenced the way. I was watching. Oh wow this social distancing how how. How progressive right. Yes how right. But but yes so so kimiko shows up there. The russian guys that tracks mafia guys are not impressed. They kind of tried to be dismissive. Like i talked about that line. Like she's just a girl go give her show her pictures of kittens pearl and Ca meco proceeds to like like kick ones like destroys ones knee and then rips. Another guy's face clean off of his body in eh pretty hard pretty hard core but totally boys like way to do it and you actually chose i when i actually showed. She was peeling off some self enough of a cd yet. She rips it right off. she doesn't mind. The goring headline of work actually showed the scene to sonya speaks fluent. Russian obviously is to is that real russian and do they sound worth. yep that russian is correct. I'm like cool so it's not just randomly saying stuff like chaplin didn't the great dictator when it came to german like gibberish. Yeah think she's like no no should. That's actually pro russian. I'm not okay cool. I'm glad that. Because i don i always have to follow the subtitle speak russian. So yes the do i so so. She confirmed that's actually real russian but yeah it was so brutal it just rips. The guy's face off. I said this is mortal combat over again finished shameful laugh. This is more face often. Nicholas cage movie. That's but i is it terrible to say that was kind of relishing. The moments can meet a winston for the kale. I was kind of like stick our steepling my my hands together during these things this excellent. Yes mr burns on the simpson. Just i i just wished i had my cats in my lap. Groundstroke bond villain were watching so ca meco. Oh that's funny all right By the way saying that simpson's reference worse for you. So there you go. Hope you're listening so frenchies watching all this from afar. He's horrified by this. That can meco going out doing this. So he follows her where she goes. Afterwards she ends up going to a church. Where can meco meets up with none other than frenchies. You know like occasional benefits. Shall we friend friend with benefits is a perfect phrase frenchies friend with benefits cherie and we find out as you mentioned that sri has been essentially like acting as intermediary and we find out that apparently the albanians paid her to pay can meco to get rid of the russians guys for them so so essentially she's a contract killer at the line and french eat is just pissed off beyond belief. Watch about this because he knows that she's hurting. She's coming off you know she's obviously coming out of watching her brother guy after finally getting reunited with him and he feels that she is taking advantage of a ray community of her agent also her ability because well. Hey you know she probably figures well. I know cherie. She's just doing this to make some money off of it. You're she makes ten percent apparently over this. Yeah any agent was yes. That's an agency ten percent correct. So so if you're acting as agent for contract killer that's probably what you would get presumably and You get that little ten percent off the top and nothing haven't experienced in this field. Keep in mind okay or do i don't see yeah exactly on now. I gotta gotta do this. Hold on you may come on you the year okay. That's enough of that. Come on any italian. And the russian irishman. Let's talk about that. You know what i'm saying. They walk into a by opening to joe. It's an opening to joke saying you're you in an irishman. I mean i'm. I'm going to leave it there in asian hit woman. But and then the asia-europe would rips the guys russians face off in that area. So so yeah so Frenchies just trying to drag out outta there says you know look. i know. you're trying to your brother's death. But this is the way. And she's trying to explain to him but because she hasn't taught him her language now he has no idea what she's saying so he gets frustrated and just leaves because he's like you never taught me and what have you and of course we have the gift of subtitles. And so we know that she's basic saying that she doesn't need frenchie and an interest explaining. That's obviously that's what storm front dade. And she saw her brother being killed in front of arise and so on. So i already bad for frenchy. Chows already do well. I mean he's coming at it from a good place because he is concerned about her. He cares about her and obviously feels that will. Hey maybe kit killing rushing guys isn't exactly the best way to get over your grief. He he probably doesn't want to go back to spiral into the life that she leads before they met her right. Because he's like. I was kinda getting her back into a happy place. It's almost series. Say like the recovering alcoholic. Yes they were drinking scrape grape. That's a great analogy by the way. Thank you But yeah it's kind of like you said they've stopped drinking and then back to their old habits and you think they have a taste for its and i think he's afraid that communica once again developed a taste for killing and i will she. She knows if you will. That helps have been vent her frustration. I think he's he's also angry at cherie for taking advantage of that quiz using it for her own gain view. Think that cherie is doing this purely for personal gain or do you think she has migos problems heart. I would be inclined. Personally i would be inclined to think that she's doing it out of personal gain because she doesn't really know meco right. She has no attachment to her so she figures. Well you could make money just arranging this. This hit so which is a little bit hypocritic one her pop because the previous episode. We'd seen her and french talk about let her be her own person. Stay in your lane mollycoddle her. It will be critical. Yeah what you. what do you think. I'm kind of curious because take you say do you have do you. Do you think that sharia is just doing this to give meco an outlet i could. It could go both ways because it makes going back to the conversation that she had with frenchy and i want to think that it was genuine saying uconn save every body as stay in your lane. Let's let's comedic be her own person so it could be. It's like maybe she sees it as a win win situation. I e cameo gets to vent frustration. And i actually met at. I'm able to make an extra out of it as well. so c maybe a maybe seeing it as benefits. Both of us if you will yeah. I'm not sure because it's a very interesting question because we don't really know that much about cherie as a character this is true but but what we've seen of her to this point. The vibe i got that essentially she was the brains of her and frenchies operation. That's right so the way. I see her as she's bad news in french. He probably knows this and so maybe he feels that cherie can make up. Being working with cherie is also bad news. And he's and he's concerned about her knowing. What cherie is really like true. Because at the you make the point. That's cherie does not know communica person she only knows of ca- meco through frenchie and i'm starting to be spending time with this but i just thought oh it just something that kind of picked this conversation. It's it's one of the things that come up spontaneously. Which is hey why we talk about this stuff. This is not scripted. I think they'd probably guessed. Considering how badly i read things but also but yes i i did not want to open that huge worms but it just got me thinking after. All is a review of an episode. You know we don't just kind of live. Just run through the review deep dive so yeah when he's continent conversation folks might have after watching the episode thing. Is she just just hypocritical. Just out for a so. That's why what i love about. The boys always more than meets the eye. That's why i think the myself that cherie might not transformers transformers. What's more than france. Horrors more than meets the eye monsters in disguise. This indeed but i agree. I guess is just maybe more to these these characters. So that's why we just wanted his. Maybe it's just a win win. Situation is in. I can make an extra bulb and at the same time. Camino gets through gets to take out frustration on bad guys now. I kind of went to watch that scene again. Just to kind of Scrutinizing a little closer all right. Let's move on unless you had anything else about better. No i'm good. I'm good all right. So let's topic number three. Let's talk about some of our Seven and probably former seven members here so talk about the deep quinonez who forms very interesting alliance with the deep and let's talk about a train because as we're told in this episode in maybe the dawn of the seven but it sunset on a train young. So what you want to talk about. I well i. Actually you know we as i said we can. We can kind of piecing together as we go along when it comes to icon instantly. Feel bad for this character. Because i was actually. I remember the time when. I've actually seen this episode of the first time. And we see them on the film set because obviously they're filming the seven movie. The dawn this yeah. So essentially like the the parody of batman versus superman dawn of justice and you actually episode. Where that that moment. Where mavis outing herself. As being a homosexual you know during the movie. She's like oh we have something in common with both gay kind of thing right and it's very blatant in a pretty much a sell out as far as maybe it's concerned yeah and owned by the way. Did you catch the bid about that. There was a joss rewrite of a reference to just weeden yet. Because it's obviously not big on. Just weeden doing taking over justice league from zack snyder. As you had actually rightfully mentioned in the previous episode is basically a justice league spoof or batman versus superman. But think it's more of a justice league. But but yeah i think you're right. I think you're right and maeve is just so frustrated. At this point. I think driven to the point of desperation because the fact. That's obviously they bringing in her girlfriend. And then you know these creative switch. My father has tons of problems with creates. It comes to commercials. But i'm not going to give into what my dad thinks of commercials and yes so called creatives but he got an example of what creates marketing suits. The marketing suits exact. Oh because of course every lesbian couple has a more bush character and more female one of course more accepting that we we we get that in this episode where like they kind of compare it to eligible generous and porsche rossi. Yes that you know like oh you know. People were more accepting of couples where it's more gender specified of homosexual couples as long as the gender roles are clear cut. That's right you know. So so yes. So they want elena to be more butch then she is against the mavs presumed femininity. Your child was shaking my head throughout the whole thing and i you know i could totally see that happening. I could totally see that. Unfortunately with hollywood types. Yes that is that is hollywood for you in a in a nutshell. It's beyond just like an nfl. I would have just gotten up and walked away head. I felt that and and but we do see that. Maybe doing this save to keep to keep in safe. She she runs after eventually. She kind of sits there for a moment but then she goes after. Like doing this to keep you safe. Yeah they need to like look. You don't get it like we have to do this. Otherwise home later is going to come after you. And i don't wanna see hurt and it shows what a childish bully is well home nandor as because actually looks homeland. Says why you doing this. And he doesn't really give her a clear answer he just kinda dances horizon. Free supposed to enjoy your in love. Enjoy it well. She was she talked to them. She goes well. Okay so what. If i just broke up with elena would you back off then. Back off her and Leave her alone and he's just like no i. I'd love seeing two lesbians and love together and in the vibe you get is that well. Yeah he wants to keep them together. Because that way he can exert control over and elena because he obviously joy you can use as that that that bargaining chip that that that way to threaten may have and keep her in line not to mention. I think he does Find joying was torturing if he will squirm he likes the the sadism. Yes so it was a bit of status. Yes yes because we actually get that that's moments of once they wrap up. The scene made talks to homeland during is like. Why are you doing this back off and ending. She just kind of trying to keep it. She's keeping it together. Because of because of elena sake but it's but you feel so bad for maybe you know this. This brings us neatly to her willing to team up with the deep because she has the strict so most anex. Yeah so so. That's a great segue by the way so in the most unexpected alliance in so far i think we have made going to the deep a former team member and telling him look because she knows that the deep wants to get back in with a seven but he's got an image problem that's keeping him from that because of his treatment of women so myth makes him an offer she goes look. I'll be the person that makes you look good to the public if You know. I'll i'll tell everybody you're not a complete clete piece of crap but but I want you in the seven. And i want you to help me. So essentially she's trying. She's she wants people she can trust to help her deal with homeland her. She's plotting something. Yeah she and she realizes she needs allies to pull this off that that's right and we of course you see the deep this Shall we say book signing event or book giving away event if you will because y- yeah it's almost like it's it's set up like a soup kitchen where people come in and get come looking for food was like the the coming looking for food and like oh nope. Here's a book of for the soul of the church. Yeah exactly it's food for your soul and it's like no had rather have food. Thanks but i love like. I thought there'd be. Yeah exactly so that was good and essential show with the deepest scenarios. It is it was. It was pretty good. That was funny so but but it's interesting to see finally making some moves here and this is what. Yeah we'll have to see how it pays off your. This is all been building up in the previous episodes between the exchange that we had with maven lane hospital to to this all stems from. That's that's horrendous airplanes situation. I think that is the the straw that broke the camel's back from maeve. Well to be fair. That was a pretty big one. I can't blame her because you know she. She felt helpless. Look as horrible person i am. I'm not that horrible. And but apparently home later is in home. Lander exerted his power over her in consequently she now feels guilty about what happened as she should and rightfully she feels it homeland. Should get his comeuppance right for his sins. Yep so we have another revenge story. Yeah exactly so yeah. There's a lot of these show so you have to keep your eye on the board here because there's a lot of chess moves going on very much. Three d chess being played here so keep an eye on the players. My mind kind of went to the hunters tv show and other great. Tv show where the opening to that show is figures on the chessboard. Said kinda went to. That's in folks if you like goodrich revenge stories. And you'd like to see nazis. Come check out the hunters. It's a fantastic. Told me recommended that. That's one of the things i need to check. Sit to watch. If i can never find the time to really listening too busy. Listening to knicks podcast. One of those gotta give knicks pockets. Great by the way. We'll talk more about those here later. Thank you think everybody should listen. Everybody should listen to the next podcast. Seriously thank you but some but yeah. It's it's interesting. And i. I did lucile of the exchange between the deep and maybe just like so you think piece of crap. Fps duck folks. It's like okay. But i could use you so we can help each other out here. Kudos to the actors speakers. The timing is just so good in this it is it is yeah And obviously you know may have is you know. She's been boxed into a corner here so she's got to do something because right now the situation as it is can't stand something's gotta give she's got to do something not to mention home is popularity is dwindling. Which which we of course we will get you in the next segment. Exactly but yeah. Maybe she sees a moment of vulnerability here. Yeah yeah and maybe he wants to exploit that someone else who's making some moves but Or rather having moves made against him in this episode h rain whenever the ever delightful a train so h train. Keep in mind. This is just after home. Lander has kicked to the curb. Your or told him he's out or something yes he's like we're going in different directions different direction. Yeah so so. Essentially what's happening here. Is that a trade is being told. Well we're gonna we're gonna right out of the seven movie at the end so that you won't be in any future movies because you're going to be leaving the seven to like a big epic speech to where you have to leave and get people in tears. Yeah now eight train. Doesn't you know he wants to change the script for the for the movie so that his departure is a little less clear and more open ended. I e. Well maybe. I'll come back some day to the seven therefore we don't want it to be definitive that he's leaving. Yeah i love the fact that we talk directors like let's just do like a series of looks and people can make up their own narrative airfare. Will if they want to rather than me saying openly. I'm outta here. I love that kind of talk between the adrian. The actor and director is like no. We're not gonna do that. So so while he's watching the deeps commercial on a tablet. A storm front comes over in a rather awkward moment tells him oh yeah you know. I used to be a member of that church. But you know back when it was a pure place before they started letting all those kinds of people in unquote is here. My question goes to ut houses. Guess do you think the adrian disappoint onto storm. Front as i can smell a racist. Well you'd be a fool not to at this point right especially after a comment like that when asked like what do you mean by those kinds of people. Exactly what do you mean those people right. Oh what people are. Yeah what 'cause. She makes us very clear distinctions. Like there's there's some people that are great and there's some people that are garbage and although she doesn't specify who's who it's very heavily implied so it's heavily implied racism a few times. I was actually a train side. Yeah right exactly. And she mocks him about his retirement from the seven. Then ashley comes in he. He basically goes to confront her about his contract and she lays it out for him. Says look you can either leave and get severance or you can get fired and get nothing. So adrian thinks this over for a little bit and it's like okay. I guess i'm getting the severance reason to do. The scene with his final farewell and i will agree with the director hebrew. He does deliver a great performance right but yeah apparently But he's obviously very happy about it was gonna be very bitter about it. Which could things which could lead to other things so again. This is something else to keep in. Mind another player on the board. That could definitely upset. the game. Here always be always be wary of those who have scorned because they eventually come back at some point in some way be. It's on the good side on the bad side. So it's a lesson of capable of her you school and because it could come to bite you in the in the but then later raymond pretty much when you burn bridges sometimes those breaches combat by you know kind of mixed up my metaphors there but you mckay where just just roll with it. You know. it's one of our podcast. Just roll with it all right. Anything else about These three it just makes me hate stone from more. What can i say as much as much as am caches. A fantastic actress. Because she really really is. But it just makes you hate us so much more and as an actually felt that tension between her and h rain. And i was like a train. You're a horrible person but right now i'm with your brother. Because she is an awful person. You can judge you for being a bad guy but she shouldn't judge you for the color of your skin. I think it's safe to say that we can agree that they're both horrible people but on a scale of who's most horrible. I think it's safe to say that storm front is more horrible than a train goes through stolen from the exactly the oscar for most garbage human being goes to star front. Yeah so all right timing number four. Let's talk speaking of storm front. Let's talk about storefront but also talk about starlight has a nice little run into a storm front a couple of times in also homeland her. Because hey we can't go through a discussion without talking homeland or so So we have the beginning of this We have homeland being being taken aside by ashley barrett after some video comes out of him going to this african village killing a tribal leader that super powered and devastating the place with his laser vision or whatever and also killing a nearby bystander. The process and there's video that has come out of the wife crying over her husband's dead body now home later could care less. Of course this is just water off of his of his office back. You know just like nothing and but barrett points out that. Oh hey you know what you're down nine point nine and a half points in your ratings and there's footage of people at the seven tower protesting in declaring you a war criminal not the best. Look right now so it's a little bit of a pr nightmare for homeland. Or so what do you make of his peer dilemma here. Well i have to say. There was a smile of satisfaction. Playing across my face. When i watched this. Because i'm like you're going down by the and i'm enjoying this. Because finally he's sins catching up with him and he goes to show you that even goads if you will are not unaccountable for what they do and and so. It made me extremely pleased. I was very satisfied us that it was just this. Maybe i should take you know when it comes to people in bad situations but here i was gloating and i was proud of gloating but but yeah i have yet to find us showing his true colors the world is starting to see him for what he is and i just hope they dragged him down to the darkest depths because he does. He deserves no less. So so you're saying there's a little bit of a shot in friday here where you're taking it pleasure in watching home later squirm a little bit which is a horrible thing to do. Folks don't do i mean i can't help. What can i say. I'm only human can totally do it but other big supporter of it now. Obviously you know. He's not going to end up in toki disgraced. What's he gonna do because we know that storm fronts has an agenda and. She's hoping she's like eventually he'll come crawling back to me and i will you know. Do use him for my own purposes. Because she keeps saying to him. My door's always open if you want to talk to me. Because she's like you not doing a particularly great job. I don't need anybody who needs you. I can do this by myself. Going down going down. And he has that that movements where he's in that tunnel where he's and laughing hysterically to himself to where it's also cry and then also crying and he's all the yeah. He's running through the whole gamut of emotions here. It just blows my mind once again. I have to hand it to the acting. Hear anything star is just a baby size tastic in this because he just plays all that all those emotions in one take a seemingly the seems like it's one take and really deserves an emmy nod. The molly does the man saying. And i hope that you know the bigwigs in other places. Have him under the radar. Because i've you very curious to see what he does going forward from the boys because the man has acting chops so you do wonder what he could do from here. On which is such a great villain he is he is and of course you know we get what we get of course. He comes crawling b-actor trader saying you know storm fronts. Yeah exactly. I need help. And and that's the thing when it comes to go ahead while i was just going to say. Yeah she she agrees to make some memes for him to get his putt get some of his popularity back in. Apparently that works out. Which seemed a little bit elaine. In real life too. I think you just need a few memes and everybody's happy i mean. Imagine which is a very sad thing to state about our society right now that that's all it takes to get you off the hook. It might be very simplistic. But i think to certain degree it is kinda true grunted okay. A terrorist is not going to become a saint overnight but you we know how powerful social media is able to spin doctorate properly. You can turn the villain into a hero within a matter of weeks or months. It's not going to happen overnight. Yeah unfortunately it's very effective right. I totally agree now. One of the things that was interesting about this episode with his. There's a scene where a sequence where homeland or shows up the rally being held by congresswoman. Victoria newman yes. Who's somebody everybody should be paying close attention to apparently Issues leading a rally against homeland. And he so he surprises everybody. There including newman by showing up. He he talks about like well. You know innocence get killed war all the time and the crowd's not really being well received to it game buying it no so in a moment very unsettling moment. He gets upset and on sunday. You see him lash out with his heat vision laser vision wherever you want to call it. Just massacring the crowd of protesters. Yes what did you. What was your first reaction. Seeing that for the first time i i i was like wow you actually did. That's the seeing the the rows of charred bodies. Yeah i just thought to myself crikey. He did it. And you think there's a wedgie go from here because i don't know what pr move can save you at this point especially with the cameras rolling in everything. You're like a like this is it. This is the big game changer. But not so much because we turns out it was just a fantasy. It didn't happen. It would have made for very interesting interesting. Twist had it been reality. Chose i mean but by this point you could have seen him. Yes that's because we know so. What a ticking time bomb homeland there is and he is capable of that year you but we bought into it because we know that homeland there is such a child and so he will act on instinct. I think you know it was the the writer. You know the craters intention to kind of mislaid. the audience. a little bit. That you have a little fun with them. Like oh my god. He did this. What's going to happen now. And it's like psych because we knew at this point you at bolt. You believe this you you. You can totally see this happening right. Because you're wondering. When is he going to cut loose so So they could cut play up your expectations and make you do something that would make a really great trailer moment to get. You hooked on watching this show and two quotes offering once again. Jc jackson's jesse jackson. The pacing was on here. Because because you had that like one beat polls before we found out it was it was Just imagining it. So kudos to the director as well for for the just that pause because it doesn't immediately cuts to homeland to kinda just smiling wincing folks now. I'm out of here. There is out it lingers and little bits and so i love we have they make they make you feel it as a result just by lingering and Because he you kind of need that moment a process everything and and really feeling emotions at that. Point resort directed. yeah So one star front release her trailer after talking with only enter starlight breaks into it and she accesses her tablet and she sees. It comes across a number of emails to a medical center named sage grove which obviously becomes very important. It will come into play to folks and then she turns out the computer because storm front comes in and starlight tries to immediately cover up for what she just did Says you know. Look you had no right to talk to my mom. Because in the meantime like mom had shown up on sets yeah and then storefront it kinda chatted her up and get a little cozy in starlight knowing a little bit. More of what storm. Front really is was very nervous about that worried about our mother understandably so she lays into storm front about that and there's gonna be peace between us. I don't want that but storefront figures. Well you're just putting on a show here not to mention she's like i know what you did last summer right away. I know what you did with gecko and you stole a sample of compound v. Yeah that got leaked to the press so starlight in the meantime counters and says. Well i'll just you know. Reveal that your liberty and she kind of threatens her with her powers a little bit but storm front. Not really impressed by this. He's like oh that's so cute kinda thing and it's there but only trolling her and we will. Apparently stone front has quietly attachment to mother adele. Yeah and at this point home later comes in this very tense moment and it was like. Oh a million erupting years. Sorry ladies and strong francis like no no. This is just between us girls and starlight degrees and then just leads. And here's where things get interesting. Yes so once. They're alone home later. You know what was going on francis. Well we're just running lines for the movie and he tells us that well. Hey you know looks like up five points because of your means. So i guess i kinda oh you And she's like how do you think about repaying me right. Yes i knew this would happen. So There's a little bit of a more in the air. Shall we say a little little romance as well sort of. I guess because hey storm front. Shove home lander into a wall. And then max all over him throw each other back and forth across the trailer and then in very interesting moment storm front. Ask home lander to use his laser vision on her breasts. Yes i was like. Okay i guess you you you. You're a masochist. And that gives you pleasure. I suppose yeah well i. He's even taken aback by this seriously. Like were but but still. I like nope. Nope go for it and she and she gets off on it. She gets off on the painting in there so home later can little bit turned on at this You know she's like look star. I tell them look. I don't break easy. Obviously so so home later. Essentially could be as rough with her as he wants. She can take it so they basically start knocking boots all way around the room even having sex and floating amid there. That's how the episode ends. Yeah what did you make of that moment but also quits. Can i say on. I was shaking my head throughout it. The whole whole thing was the at the time. This wasn't the alliance i'd hoped would happen. Because obviously he's said he's literally getting in bed with the bad guys even more so he's not a good person himself but he's getting in bed with even worse. People could almost being analogy for a certain president. Getting in bed with white supremacists. I wonder i hate you. I really so you're saying there was symbolism in this moment saidan boys. You think they might be row about something and ascension. Checchi wins nick. I don't know maybe schieffer's nick exactly. It's i g. Oh man had tell us what was going on current state of affairs in the usa. I'm like okay. I get i get what's going on. Well you know you don't have to take it that way. Yeah no of course of innocence. It's pretty obvious. But yes you re reread it with. Today's is what was going on in august. The boys is done during that time. It'd be interesting. See because obviously in the comics. That doesn't happen because storm front is a guy so it's different ballgame as we found out homeland is not into guys. That's not his. Jackie storm front is not gays. So pardon me. I'm not gay so it doesn't happen so that's why it makes me think it was a deliberate choice of symbolism. Full the current state of affairs in your country chose well the well the good thing about about that scene all kidding aside. Of course if you don't want look at it that way you don't have to you could. It could be just very you know it. It was shot in a way that If you just wanna believe okay. It's storm front. A racist being turned on or you know using can have manipulating homeland or turning him on toward her and and then making this alliance of course when it is no. But i'm sick but my point is that you can look at it that way or you can look at it with the subtext of of the current political climate. In like you said you could say well okay using homeland her as kind of like a superpower version of donald trump that he's getting in bed literally with with You know racist. And and racism and white supremacists neo nazis. What have you so you can look at it either way. However you want reputation of it's open to interpretation. But but but i do believe that subtext exist whether you want to look at it that way or not because it was a seeing times it was it was done in such like any no. Tv show will movie. That was made injuring a certain moment. That wants to make a statement right. It's pretty clear for the world to see but like you say chows. The viewer can see whatever they want to see. But i have a feeling that if we if we talked to mr kripke and his entourage they would program confirm that that is what events statement making. We're not saying that it is the definitive version. But i think we could make an educated guess and say this is what they're going for. Well i think good television shows. The ones that are well. Written are always a product of their time periods. Of course you definitely had that with six nine hundred sixty star trek you the twilight zone Back in the late fifties and early sixties. I'll beloved doctor who for example doctor who you know. There's there's been a lot of criticism recently like oh. The show is becoming too political. No the show is always been political. You just haven't been paying attention so So it's just you know it just it. It just more noticeable now because people were intentionally looking for it in quickly racing to the internet to talk about that. That's that's exactly right. And i think it's i think writers will always put in their personal feelings into the arts so they create where human. It's almost impossible to escape that we will create things. According to the way we feel about stuff. And i think a lot of people were right now with outrage culture going on that you know this is just my opinion that i think a lot of people are looking for that next outrage something to be outraged about so so they go looking for meaning. Maybe it's not even there to just to act all upset about it and in decry in rally other people to their side for for likes on twitter or facebook totally. I think it's that. But i think the what is a good Piece of film. A good changes are shares. Are why breath. It's a good example. Good piece of television good piece of film is that you can put in whatever meaning you want to put into it. There's the you can read. It's the way you want to. They might not necessarily have been the writers intent. But you can of course put your own spin on. Its if you will. But i think you know i'm going to open. I think that you and i probably went there when it came to that. I say i mean don't want to speak for you. Chose but i know that's gonna go ahead and i think that's probably what you and i both went to came to that moons. I mean there is it. Seems like there's subtexts there but you don't have to read into that if you don't want to all right. I keep going on that soapbox. It just keeps materializing out of nowhere but there you go folks. Where are we we have. We have issues. Can i say we have with the current status quo. Say i know. I have issues i have eighteen thousand seven hundred of them all the their comic books. Nice but i will thank you. Thank you all right so if there's anything else do you have anything else about this episode. No i i know. We've talked a lot about. We've did we have as i said it was. Just a i mean as much as i love dream on. I was like you could've put something more night. Welcome to my nightmare with him. Perfect when it came to the final scenes. I'm not criticizing the choice of on Song actually suggestive folks. You check out the wonderful cover version of dream on done by ronnie james dio with inveigh mongst in on guitar. Check it out if you like mr regimes dear. The late great run james Who sadly is no longer with us. Checkout him singing dream on. because it's fantastic. And you have said mr invasion amongst guitarists fantastic fantastic cover see. Maybe i would have just thrown john williams imperial march behind that team that we work very well to turn to when it comes to to the mazda. A you know williams you know. You can't go wrong. Of course of course can only favorite quotes for this. I actually had a couple to be honest. I stone fronts quotas. Actually very very point is like when you see it on your uncles facebook page than you know. It's working so true. And then the exchange between judy and just so you know that's terrorist go frame than what his f- pig i can love that and also the exchange between stone and starlight. Where stone says. Well you're a special kind of poison flour hub going against their own people and starts you mean effing white people and some like starlight superheroes be racist seriously. Yeah so so. We have a storefront front. A racist calling out starlight for supposed- racism. That's that's rich. Yeah whatever you charles. Let's see home later. And ashley where he says. Look at this. Look at those strong female lesbians. I'm inspired you. Inspired actually says oh. Yeah yeah hold. Major says girls get it online and as she says done girls get it done in home later response to that. They sure do ashleigh. Yup butcher talking to huey where butcher says expecting a happy ending where we well. I'm sorry huey it ain't that kind of massage parlor. yes. I got the hint. That was a big problem here. In italy i will say that we actually had a one of our one of our Here in ohio we had a congressman or one of our one of our representatives or one of the legislature. Or something with that over here. Going to one of those would massage parlours. Yes yes. So-called massage parlor yep let's see what else of course. I have to talk about this. Where storm front saying the homeland or don't be a pussy lazier my ethnic tits. You had see charles. I'm glad you went there. Yes which which is. It's kind of hard to top. That line i'm sorry as show stabber right there right What's your rating. sir. I'm going to give this Eight and a half british people's very nice very nice we are in sync. Believe it or not. I'm gonna give this one eight and a half as well but i'm gonna give it eight and a half skin faces of russian mobsters or aka attracts mafia guys. Nine you guys really should read the matt fraction. David asia hawkeye series. Yeah it's fantastic. I would definitely second that it's a classic classic and i really hope they bring that to television. That's the hawk. See tv series. I wanna watch you me both. Joe's all right speaking of which Just really quickly. Because i know we're running really long Phantom zone news just want to quickly mention that one division. We've been talking about it for a few episodes now at long. Last we have a premier date. You guys so one division. Finally you know even though we were promised twenty twenty well and then later twenty twenty and then really later twenty twenty. Well where it's twenty twenty one. Yeah it's so late into twenty twenty. It's it's now twenty twenty one so so vision is now premiering on january fifteenth. Twenty twenty one on disney plus. So it's gonna be six episodes by all accounts and We'll see what happens but But obviously it looks very cool. I think it's going to be a very interesting show. And hopefully i can cook nick back into the phantom zone to Phantom zone to talk about it. I barely two game shows while you're more than invited sir. Because i think that'd be a lot of fun especially after we've talked it up so many happens now mukhin. Yeah we kind of a letdown. If we didn't do it right true. What if maybe a. Hopefully we can get jesse to talk about it too. We'll see if not at least the two of us will talk. Have that and then also i just want to quickly mention that If you're not aware they're doing a spin off series is being planned on. Hbo max for peacemaker a character. That's could be being featured in the suicide squad. Yup play you know the look. They're kind of reboot of the suicide squad. Movies franchise that's being held by james gunn from the guardians galaxy movies. My james gunn super happy really really looking forward to this because if nothing else. Peter capaldi the twelfth. Doctor is in it as the thinker which is awesome. As who've younes. We really psyched about this. I hope he will get killed off. But it's a suicide squad. He probably will behave pizza. Capacity peterson pouty. It's like we get to see video. Peter cappelli on the big screen. Once again you happy about that but it but in this case Peacemaker is going to be a tv spinoff series. Presumably a prequel to suicide squad. It's to be on. Hbo back so john. Cena's peacemaker is going to be starring in this but they recently also cast an acronym. Chris conrad as the vigilante Now if you're an arrow fan you may remember the vigilante on that show i do. But i'm hoping this will be a little more faithful to dc comics. The vigilante adrian chase majority. Because i was a big fan of that series the in the in the eighties. Ladies early nineties you and me both charleston hoping that this time around the more faithful. Yeah so fingers crossed but it just thought he mentioned it so little bit of news now. Feta's zone fanmail. Of course we have dave proctor. Right again yeah. Hey hey dave. So i know we're running along but we gotta read days email. 'cause he was so kind of right to us. We do so. Dave writes in About we gotta go now this episode. We just discussed where says the opening scene shows new york and rubble. Similar to the avengers. Movie i wonder if new yorkers have. Ptsd from seeing their hometown destroyed so many times in the cinema and on tv. I yes probably but you know if you've read marvel convex They kind of get destroyed. New york it's destroyed just about every other week dave continues once again home later has no concern for collateral davidge. Nope that's not him. No butcher is out of control and instigated a beating. He comes out of it feeling like crap but in one piece inside he has racked. He has something that he needs who hasn't turned on who hasn't turned to a pet in a time of need. We also learned. He's estranged from his parents so many unhealthy relationships in every direction he's becoming more human. Perhaps good point remind me not to cross meco. I wonder what the russian group did to lose face. Who i see what you did there. I caught that sir. I see what you did there. You can can't slip that pass me. Apparently even people who fight superpower people think of firefighters as heroes. God bless our firefighters exactly marvel comics certainly thought so and so dc they back after nine eleven when they released those Great tribute specials. In to our great first responders Apparently home later does have limits. I'm surprised he didn't go down. that crowd. like he fantasized. Kinda president that to my brain goes to strange places days brain however they my brain goes to strange places to how are they having explosions on the first floor and the dog not bark of course. The dog did bark but not from the explosions. Also my dog would have such thick grenade really. Never forget the time that. I had a tomahawk on a camping trip and threw it at a tree by dog. Beat the tomahawk to the tree. The tomahawk bounce back toward me and stuck in the ground. We didn't play with a tomahawk anymore. Stat the nature of dave's dog. I wonder what ki- owns. Maybe tomahawks aren't the best playthings. I'm just saying exactly. Chew toy of the his truth frisbees or you know badminton or volleyball. Maybe try those instead. Stay away from the top marks. Just a little just a little safety tip from those of us here in the phantom zone. What is the record number of words dropped in a single episode of a show Good question xanada. I might try and top that drug cinema. Why not the to kickoff. Stay tuned to kick ass movies actually play fast and loose with that word but he may be talking. Tv shows of course of course Liberty revealed not really but but scarlett lets it be known that she knows she knows that storefront knows that she knows that storefront knows that she knows that store for those you know. I think this is how the world works. It is people just controlling others with what they know. The whole thing is a house of cards. Knowledge is power my friend. That's a completely different. Tv show house of cards. The dog has a new girlfriend. Yes yes he does terror way doug care and he's gopher this homeland go up later exactly. The goodbye to the dog was the most touching yet was very sweet of that was kind of like what's your should be taken. Terror with terror should be with butcher aerosmith instead of billy. Joel awesome. we lavar smith. So dave is a fan of the musical choice sir. Alfred at home later take a scary step for the world. What would their kid be like. Ooh that's disturbing probably like ryan more like home her home nine the to crikey the sequel. Right yeah i show called him many homeland company home blander. Let's just go laser delay. Let's just go laser storm. France breasts be will. I'll hear you next week. Well thank you go sooner than that. Because we're gonna be posting this this week. So yes he come back next week. Thank you dave bureau chmagh friend. You do rock now there. We really appreciate your reading. And dave no serious so if you want to be like eight and please do write to us at phantom zone cast at gmail.com offensive zone cast at the gmail.com. Also reach us on twitter at fan zone cast on twitter facebook. The phantom zone podcast or instagram. At fan of zone podcasts. So please check us out dick work. Can they reach you. Hear all of your lovely discourse. Thank you very much for that. So that's the when it comes to me for you. 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Skaggs his doing his best to make me laugh at. I love him for doing that. Because the world needs more laughter. I recently during the titans. Titans podcast discussing of doom patrol. And that pretty much sums me up. What about you charles. Well first off. One apologize. Because i was totally sabotaging his Shameless plug. i can't keep a straight face with this man. what can i say. He's a born comedian. I was just trying to make him smile. So good sport about that all right so please follow nick and in his endeavors and ask for me of course at charles skaggs on the twitter machine at charles skaggs on instacart ham and i loved by the way i notice was listening to Gold standard. that kinda interesting. That people are picking up on. I you know twitter machine. You know references. Instagram or You know the uranium or or interwebs. Apparently people are using that a lot. So i was influenza chows. What can i say. I guess so but hopefully not like an storm frank that that would be bad you what i try. Try to i try to use my powers for good instead of you and you do you succeed so like i said. Please follow me on twitter and instagram. They are also facebook trump's cakes and he'll get ohio and my block geeky things then coffee and hot where talk about other stuff. We talk about here on the phantom zone. Podcast including the boys all kinds of books scifi news news weather podcast they do for southgate media group including hey that forementioned titan talk that nick mentioned you know is currently on hiatus but hopefully we'll be back soon and then next up everywhere the doctor who podcast that i do with jesse jackson in assorted special companions. Like a certain dj. Nick who by all accounts will be joining us once again in a couple of days to talk aliens of london slash world war three from the christopher eccleston era is with dashing christopher eccleston so that'd be episode to nine because hey dr right so everybody please check that out is going to be a lot of fun really looking forward to that. It's been a while since an expert on the podcast. Look forward talking some doctor who with him once again and then of course. Ghost with twin peaks podcast. They do as an sprouse where you know we talk. Of course everything twin peaks david lynch etcetera etcetera. And right now we are going to be doing criterion collection review of the elephant man released. That just came out here a couple of months ago. We did the the movie review last time. We're going to be running through the special features this week later this week as well so yes a very busy week for yours truly once again and then our new show say adventure drunk cinema where zan sprouse once again and i. We just released our very first episode. Batman one thousand nine hundred nine where then and i had the pleasure of opening up the drunk cinema theatre to sit down and have some adult beverages and some adult language as we watch batman one thousand nine so we kind of do basically. The premise is very simple. Zane and i watch movies and do movie commentary and we enjoy adult beverages in talk about stuff and we ended up digressing every so often and and whacking this ensues and thankfully nick was kind enough to listen to our first episode. Hopefully he enjoyed it. I i certainly endorse this. Podcast folksy. we need looking for a good time for you have not checked out. Ghost would check it up if you haven't you want some great banter definitely short. Check out chosen zan because they just entertainment at the degree. So i definitely enjoy myself and we certainly tried and thank you very much for the compliment. We obviously we did the naked eighty nine batman movie. I obviously starring michael keaton. Jack nicholson the joker. But for a second episode. We're going to be switching gears just a little bit as we talk ferris buehler's day off and you guys have been quoting that film routes ghost after i mean as a ghost would follow a. I am my hands here as it goes would follow. I know how much you guys reference that film. So it's going to be interesting to see you guys discussed the actual movie. We came up with a list of about fifteen movies. We could talk about iranian zan but this was the one that she wanted to do next now. I can't say i disagree with her. Because it's one of my all time favorite movies so so if you enjoyed our train wreck of a discussion of eighty nine. I definitely recommend you'd come back for episode two as we talk cirrus buehler's day off. It'd be a lot of fun. Otherwise next time on the fan zone episode one ninety six where we talk that bloody doors off. So it's going to be a lot of fun as we kind of. Hit the backside. The final five episodes season two. And i think it'd be a great discussion once again. I'm really not as long though. 'cause i know we're running long. I mean we tend to digress here and charles bombers looking forward to this the upcoming episode. Just thanks so much to forgive me the opportunity to join you in this crazy ride just been loving it all the way through so far. Well so of. I obviously because this discussion kind of got away from us but i think we had a lot to talk about in this one redid and hope everybody enjoyed it so everybody. I won't keep you any longer. Thanks again for listening to the phantom zone. Podcast and then come back next week for episode one ninety-six to bloody doors off. 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TLC 2009

The Jim Ross Report

1:50:39 hr | 1 year ago

TLC 2009

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And you're listening to grill in JR with the voice of wrestling. The one and only Jim. Ross Jim how are you man. I'm Greg Kearney couldn't be better happy holidays everybody. Hope you're enjoying the holiday season. I got big plans for Saturday. I'm going over to see my children in Tulsa so in my granddaughter so not so trip and take some Christmas gifts to them and I did. They don't I don't they. Listen to the show but I got him the deal on cookware. Both of my daughters cook or the stainless steel cookware. Yeah and of course. You know the ever ubiquitous cash people cash. It's the and you know the thing about it. At my stage alive conroy. Trying to select the perfect gift for sixteen year the granddaughter or a twelve year old granddaughter is somewhat daunting sure and I don't WanNa see that That look could disappointment on their face. Trying to kick me out so I just get them prepaid credit cards. By what the Hell you want and enjoy it from GRANDPA. Thank you very much coach. 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I can promise you that this is a good show even even though my last trip home a week ago was the drizzling duties. Is that my GRANDPA said one time about our housekeeper. You gotta the housekeeper. When I was a kid growing up my GRANDPA and grandma did I did? And they said Ain't roofs her name in one day said you know don't send anything about out of eight REUSS. Got The walking farts. Oh my gosh. Yeah and she was like eighty she didn't realize she was farting. But if if you saw thought Cloud Camara ass you'd see a lot of thought class. Because she was take a couple of steps fart and it was pretty impressive because she she sounded pretty good actually so you you don't WanNa have the walking farts. We're having fun. And you know it's it's a it's a good day to listen to grilling jr where the star of the show Conrad Thompson. Oh my gosh no listen come on. Everyone is of course we're talking about. TLC Two thousand nine today. We just passed the ten year anniversary for this show it went down down on December thirteenth from the. At Center. Right there in San Antonio we've got about twelve thousand fans in attendance the gates around seven hundred thirty thousand dollars just to SORTA catch chew up where we are ten years ago coming off the survivor series which saw John Cena retained the WWe title in a triple threat against both shawn michaels and triple h the undertaker would retain the world title also triple threat this time against Chris Jericho and big show and as you may recall the TLC concept was originally from the TLC see match of course tables ladders chairs and we would see all three kinds of matches here you know listen Tlc you when you go back and you look at some some of the early ones with edge and Christian Hardee's and the Dudley's those were masses that will never forget I've always been of the opinion opinion when he sort of tried to shoehorn the gimmick end to be an annual pay per view it loses a little bit of its luster. When did you think of the idea of doing a whole whole pay-per-view called TLC? Well I've always been in con- rather appreciate trying to shoehorn it in quite frankly. No kidding I'm with you on this deal. I thought that is like saying well. If one filet is enough let's just over two so I thought we went overboard on that thing. It was the hardest. The Dudley's edge Christian put on such a magical performance in their TLC matches that everybody got the bright idea. Well this would be lazy milking Lewis. Have we'll break that up. We'll have a tee. We'll have to see is so stupid. I thought it was a week booking. I thought it was a week. Creative showed a lack of overall creativity and pledged to rising off of this great match. Leave well enough alone same concept Conrad as when W W was were doing multiple. Helen sell matches during the year. Do One make a special make a great but you know that's just not the philosophy there at times so I I thought the show overall. It's pretty decent. But I thought that we we We craft the bed on the doing the whole show with a tease nails and sees it makes things run together. It's it's hard to be unique separate separate Performances in presentations where the same basic gimmicks US several matches. So I just didn't wanNA crazy about it but I I always enjoy the TLC match the it was. It was a turning point in a lot of things in wrestling that those three teams did and I'm really proud. Yeah I gotta call some of those because I thought they were just they they will hold up forever go back and watch the TLC match Mo- most of them will hold up today very a easily. I'm interested to hear your take on that. Because you know resp- Richard has often said that he hated these types of master's thought they were too brutal unnecessary a short career. And I know your old school too. How do you differentiate between hey this is too brutal and this is entertaining? Is there a line from amount from announcer perspective from a head of talent relations perspective and did the TLC matches ever crossed that line. I don't think they did. They got close to it. I don't disagree with Bruce on Matt deal they SORTA got close to it The over the overboard for me would be hard way blood Unpredicted unprotected chair shots to the head anything to the head bad Other than that. You know what you're saying is you're seeing a plethora of big old flat-bat bounce as long as guys taught well and he spent a mentally sound and you can take a flat backed off to protect yourself. I don't have as much apprehension as I would add another time in other words if an Indie company the guys saw TLC match and thought they could pull it off. They've never done it but they want to raise the bar on nonetheless. I think that's a mistake so I don't. I think it went over the line but I think we got. We can see the line from where we were standing. But again unprotected chair shots hardware blood. Those type things Well Oh Mickey Uneasy Mickey Little queasy quite frankly because you we know sending a ringside. What's going on? We know that this guy is hurting. Notice taking a chance to have a better match And then here's the funny thing about he for the fans you do it for yourself but you'd already dipped so the fans and then of course if you have a bad match you have. We have missed move a like me Miss Baker Caisley then then all the shit has fan. And you know you're you're the bottom of the hill and we all know. Conrad that Shit Rolls Downhill. Yes we do and we also know the risks of these TLC matches and in fact everyone knows about the risks of driving drunk. You could get in a crash. People get hurt are killed. Let's take a moment to look at some rather surprising. Statistics almost twenty nine people in the. US Die Every day. An alcohol impaired vehicle crashes. That's one person. Every fifty minutes and even drunk driving fatalities have fallen by third and the last three decades drunk driving crashes still more than ten thousand lives each year and many people taller unaware that driving while Hawk and be just as dangerous in two thousand fifteen forty two percent of drivers killed in crashes tested positive for drugs not so harmless after all is it it. I get this from seven to twenty fifteen marijuana use among drivers killed in crashes doubled. The truth is driving while Ha is deadly. So stop kidding yourself herself if you're impaired from alcohol or drugs don't get behind the wheel. If you feel different you drive different. Dr Hawk drive sober or get pulled over. That's important message this time of year. Let's talk about something. Meltzer was riding as we head into this pay per view. There's some talk dropping the CW named for the Tuesday night show. The show itself May or may not change but Sophos apparently upset about the falling ratings show itself would remain in the team at the same time slot and this is the report directly away from the Observer The show itself will remain in th in the time slot and the show is now gotten to where it's average ratings are barely above the primetime average so the main value of wrestling is to boost the primetime average. Because you can't sell the Tom. Mark similarly rated shows and a one hour show doing a point nine eight on a station that averages averages point nine isn't doing much to boost the weekly average of twenty eight hours and prompt Tom. AC W. is also not a good fit based on the synergy of the rest. The programming on the network. So it's not valuable there either. The value has the WWE has a good track record of delivering well above the average ratings for every other station I should've on except NBC Safa and did personify until recently. So they'll have to give it a chance But this is an interesting being a little twist. I guess because I think Bonnie Hammer still overseeing Safa and Bonnie Hammer enjoyed tremendous success with Vince. Once upon Tom. What do you remember about the network potentially being upset with the performance of oil? They were patient. Probably more patient than a lot of companies would be. Thanks to the success of Monday night raw and Bonnie Hammers relationship with With Vance and but they were probably more patience and a lot of networks would have been quite frankly. I don't know how good of product we produced. W We we found out that the w brand had ED cachet to a niche audience and they were very very loyal. Unfortunately there just weren't many of them left by the time we got there put on television. Yeah Yeah it was. It's not the same and I guess we should mention that he's been back on for a few years at this point. You know at least in name only industrial feel like it's coming to an end here. Do you think they should have put a bullet in this things under than they really did or. When did you realize well? This isn't what they were hoping for. Well is here's the thing. People had high expectations That we and the wwe at that time would be able to replicate what the Small roster the AC W arena. Paul Heyman his crew of US world guys Created and we weren't able to do that and it's and we shouldn't have even thought we could because it was unrealistic. It's just hard to do re reprises and But I thought probably after giving it the good old college try and providing more work for other guys and gals that we We did the best. We could but probably could have stuck a fork in a little earlier. But you know what there again you say that then you may be taking some guys and gals out of some payoffs pay days that they would be missing. Obviously so a you know I I in realistically yes. We should probably should've pull the plug earlier earlier. It wasn't the same it's going to be. The same is the same initials only and that really wasn't enough of the hard course. Let's talk about Jesse Ventura. Colin cowherd had Jesse on just a few days after he did Monday night raw. Of course Jesse is ripping me saying the company was a joke and still still in the stone age as a business because the wrestlers don't have union the classify wrestlers independent contractors. When they're clearly not any he really goes down the rabbit hole on acid asked and he says how can be an independent contractor when you're told wind wrestle who to wrestle and you can't wrestle for another promotion there's lots of criticism criticism thrown around for Jesse Ventura but this has always been something that he was sort of known for the idea? That wrestlers should unionize and of course everyone has ah fun. Debating whether or not wrestlers truly were independent contractors. You know I've never talked about it. Let's say you. It's a passe. Right now it's archaic. There's no reason in my view and I I. I'm not an accountant on the top administrator any company but it seems to me like it's somewhat ridiculous to perceive that these men and women are independent contractors. Look I've I've disagreed. Jesse philosophically on on many points over the years knocked as a bill to broadcast or as towers charisma. But he's got he's got a very unique point of view a lot of topics and I think he makes a very valid points here to me. What independent contractors not doing described in this in these rescue contract? So I'm not a big Fan. Pardon me of the independent contractor mantra. There's money there now. In a lot of companies who are talents could be employees. Look it's all about the money. Conrad there's no other reason that that we could think of why these men and women are not employees and given the benefits that employees should deserve and earn right. There's no reason But it's all about the cash it saves companies a few bucks here and there and I say you say the bucks in another replace another area of Your Business and boost your care for the talent look the talent and most important thing that a wrestling company. Hey and most important asset talent and television if you don't have great talent to package with a good TV your Sol. and which means kids shut out of luck so I think that he makes some very valid points in again it comes back to the whole deal. It's a done that do it. It's been done that way. So let's not change anything. Why not? Why don't change things for the better? All change is bad. So I'm a big believer that the talents us should come first in all companies and where a company can afford to make employees. Because I don't WanNa hear the will if they get hurt in the ring we pay for it. Well if they ah come on cover your ass again and again and again wrestlers deserve better in all companies that can afford benefits and the big companies can't afford benefits and that include ring of honor but we're some bullshit iovine third broadcasting. You got money out the ass in some of it on your talents why not not. WWe Saint thing we've sinister years and then of course an aws them out. Either guys independent contractors. We should all take a long all look going forward. Maybe two thousand will be the year that had happened where wrestlers become more than independent contractors. Let's let's talk about one of those famous stories in wrestling This is directly from the Observer Ventura ahead attempted to get the wrestlers to unionize. Nine hundred eighty six and the idea was they would agree not to perform a Wrestlemainia to at the last minute. Unless Vince signed to recognize has the union however Vince was able to break the movement before the show and one tourist lawyers asked Vince. And we found out vincent under oath Hogan was the one feeding Vega the Information Hogan of course claims otherwise but that's the reason for the long standing hatred between Ventura and Hogan. Did you hear that. That story before that he was trying to pull a fast one for Wrestlemania two and Hogan put a stop to it. Yeah Oh yeah yeah that was just as deal cessation zone zone and you know he he jesse at that time knew enough about unions and politics to be dangerous now. They're after that he. I gained more knowledge and was elected governor of Minnesota thought about the president's Iran was always a topic and look based on what we're seeing today in the White House had been term upgrade. Who knows assist opinion but I? Yeah I heard this story but the talents. I asked Bill Watts one time in the mid eighties. I said you think there'll ever be a union in wrestling and he said he laughed. He laughed in my face as he said Hell. No cost. Wrestlers can't even agree where to go to lunch together much less how to handle their money and the a union or pay their dues. You'd think they'd pick one of their own to be the head of the Union where nobody trusts. Anybody is never going to happen. And I'm telling you right now now based on what I see today in today's world there's never going to be a wrestler junior dream on. It's just not going to happen. And I'm not saying bad thing to have one at building that basic principle. The cowboys told me back thirty years ago. More that hell they can't can't even we can't. We don't agree on where to have a burger. No I don't want to go there. Also there. That was same deal. We we and I experienced that. I got the elbow on the side of the table. We're having plus those from motors at time when we talked when somebody was talking about murdering Vince. What they're having for lunch that day so we have a buffet of buffets the only way to go because it gives them more selections because nobody has ordered about one of the guy? It's a Damn Society in community you'll ever see. Let's talk about somebody who's been a part of that society for a long time minister. Would right. Well this is not official. It is believed. I believe that Gerald Brisco won't be returning as an agent and we'll be helping a developmental where his son Wes wrestles part of this health concerns because of his age and health felt going on the road between the travel and all the issues is a pressure cooker. Job It'd been recommended. BRISCO could be used as a talent scout the scout independent wrestling places like NCWA AA wrestling tournaments to find new talent. What can you tell us Jerry was doing you know in this era and We happy to see him. Sort of move move in part time absolutely. I I always for that Jerry. Jerry Briscoe is one of the more tremendous Mundus unsung heroes in the annals of wwe and their growth from a troubled privately owned company into a mega of money public traded company because of the talent roster that we started beefing up. You know that was. I knew that my mandate from Vince was to get younger under and more athletic and find some stars that was my that was a mantra. My walk that's my marching orders and I knew was it to get to that point. We had to get people in the field looking at talents Objective and had product knowledge and understood how to valuate an athlete as a human be or we bringing a piece of shit locker room discuss. He looks good in eight by ten or we bring a good human being. That has a great work ethic and he wants to be part of a winning team and Jerry. All those things are great amateur to Oklahoma state. Of course I was close to it. Because we're OKI'S AND WE HON. We hung out together. But I knew I could trust Jerry. I believed in his judgment and I believe in his ability to scout and and identify great. Talent Alan so jerry got the perfect role and I can. I'm sure if you ask him today he's still doing the same job. He's still doing the same job today that we're talking about right now back in two thousand eight nine nine so you know he. He's perfect that role so I was very happy he got there. He's been a major difference maker. You know we would never assigned brock listener. If Jerry had not babysit that for two years and the fact that Jerry is a high school are fueling a college teammate. Jay Robinson was also brought head coach at the University of Minnesota so Jerry's advancement looked at it into that area was was key and it was as important a move. That was an important assignment assignment. It as any talent we signed caused look at the people that we signed under our watch and they're dotted in the hall of fame. The rich they're famous and they built this company establish their Their their their persona. They'RE IDENTITY SO JERRY WAS JERSEY. Big Hit I. I'll never be thank him enough for all he did for me as an administrator and the fans should never be able to thank him enough for all the great talents that he helped bring to our attention and help recruit it really is remarkable. How big of a role? He's always played behind the scenes. Something that really stuck out to me here. Though is that ten years ago sunwest was apart of developmental and whenever really saw him do much with. WBZ We've seen him pop up here in the air and other places but why don't you think we see more from West Briscoe. Oh I don't know I really don't know he's a great athlete. He was a good amateur but boy his his dad and his uncle Jack Brisco oh cast long shadows sometimes. It's very very challenging for an athlete. The step away from a A shadow that that strong that prominent. But you know I don't know what is I don't know I was never around West that much we have in our program. I stayed away from that because of my relationship with his dad. I don't want to be any confusion. And he's getting a he's getting a break because Jr license dad that would not help Jr.. West's us at all so I don't really have a great answer. Conrad any athletically is good. Athlete still is it may just be the. Oh it back hell. I don't know but it just I never click for west and And I don't know if it will you know. But he's he's very solid hand. He's learned his skills well but for whatever reason he just hasn't been able to be recognized by the right people to get the right place. Well pops up somewhere between NWEA in new Japan and Emel W. W. There's there's places he can work if people give them a chance but We'll see how created the bookers. Are Some of these things You could. He can have good matches. Missed about Rauscher's well look at it so we'll see how he may. Innovate you never know. You never know about this damn thing. Let's talk about Unfortunately Maga say for because we lost him on December fourth Edward touts his real name he passes away in Houston just two days after suffering a massive heart attack and only thirty six years old obviously very successful career with. WWe coming in as part of three minute warning Jamal and he'd be with his cousin map. who was Roman reigns brother? He's eventually repackaged as you Maga. We saw him win the Aussie title a couple of times. He's he's the actual main event of Wrestlemania twenty three the battle the billionaires That show does a record. One point two million biles on pay per view and now to see. Just you know not terribly long after that He's no longer with us. This had to be shocking. News shocking. Loved Eddie Eddie. Had of all the of all the Samoan lineage wrestlers excluding dwayne Johnson. There've been so many great ones but Eddie was up there at the top. That list would have been at the end of this run as good a Samoan Wrestler S. I've ever seen he you so big and athletic. There's a difference of being big and there's a difference of being athletic when you could bring those two combinations together big and athletic And and charisma you got something growing up in that family with that. DNA running through his veins. He had great aptitude for the profession fashion. But you know as we assane so many times a lot of times. These guys didn't take care of themselves. They didn't eat right too heavy you know just. Did they get their their blood work done as often as they should all all those things. the one the checks and balance all in place medically medically to make sure that issues like this didn't occur again because I'm assuming on a saying I don't know this but I'm assuming that if Eddie it had the appropriate medical taking care of himself better and got all his medical work done and paid attention to his health. More that some of these issues could have been avoided quite frankly but it was a shock to me because he's big and strong and smiling and just a wonderful guy but I always thought he was on his way becoming the best big man that I had ever seen. And that includes the vader's and bigalow and all police cats or monsters. That can move around. He's just a very very special. So it was really a heartbreaking thing young kids you know it. Young Family I just sad and he'd just bought. They bought a house and that's home in Houston he was living a good life but You know the the self disciplined and how you address your health every day we talked with this show. Conrad No schticker downhill for granted. And I don't I'm Helmand the back nine here. I Watch watch everything I do the best I can because I don't want to end up that way where they did much here. No nobody wants that says a sad story about to. I'm sure we'll talk about some good memories another time but talk about Well an interesting little thing. That's happening in wrestling. Linda McMahon is running for the Republican nomination for the US Senate in Connecticut. She's GonNa be Head to head with Rob Simmons here. At least that's what it looks like Mike. A lot of other folks are sort of dropping out and it's come to light here that Linda has confirmed publicly. She's budgeted fifty million dollars to win the race. I mean that's just unbelievable to me. Fifty million dollars politico dot com is going to Go on a little bit of a a hit parade here an interview number former wrestlers. Who aren't on good terms with? WB to get them to fire off. Some negative quotes about Linda they would get China Bruno. Sibusiso Mark Mirro and Billy Graham Of course the report from the Observer is known were quoted as saying much more more than they wouldn't vote for her seriously getting wrestlers from out of state who haven't followed the campaign to talk about. It really not going to amount to much right. What did you think of the approach for opposition and people who maybe weren't friends of the McMahon's to go to the wrestlers get quotes? And what did you think when you heard. Hey we've budgeted fifty million dollars for this effort oil. I would. In hindsight I probably would not have talked about the fifty million dollar deal because I think it turned a lot of people off. Yeah I thought it fostered what they're the perception of her that they wanted to exist anyway was was Helped along by that pressure that Linda was going to spend fifty million to turn on her campaign so and and when you say I don't want to spend fifty million to win the race. The defiance in in politics of us like we see sometimes on twitter and other social media pro wrestling. Today is silly. He really is people really had rather bitch and Moan then to complement and give somebody an Atta boy are good job in real life all phases alive but it seems like the political journalists are pathetic especially today this the that saw the are you kidding. I don't trust the insult some of bitches. The day of the the day of the public servant is essentially over the day of the professional politician. Titian is it will in place and I just thought that She Fed into that a little bit on that deal. But here's the thing it was so stupid. You get arresters when you're paid on a you know a discretionary aggression area system. Nobody's ever going to be happy with the way they're paid now maybe they are now. WWE because most of those guys are seemingly essentially Asli on salary so they know what they're going to pay me. That's a good thing. I don't have problem with that at all. I just think there's a level above that there is probably the. I'm sure there's gotta be right that if you do better in the in the houses are better and the pay us are more productive that you get a little bit extra cheese on your Walker. So I I but those guys are you know. They're going to have to say and they don't even vote. They're not in voters. It's a stir the shit to create controversy and I know our friend. Eric says controversy creates cash. Don't disagree with that at all but God damn and you get your let me up on some of the Sta. You're not you but you know in general so I thought that Linda be honest with you. I thought she would have made a phenomenal. Congress Congress Congress or Senator or whatever of representing Connecticut. Linda McMahon is a good woman and she's got a she's highly intelligent. She's a southern girl from east from Graduate East Carolina North Carolina girl. I I love. My wife Loves Linda McMahon. My wife had a good judge of character and she server with all our heart and I and I and I I just think the world over and I still do quite frankly she would have been a great choice but because of the what we all have. I've been accused of Conrad. We're wrestling fans. She was in a resting business. People don't like fucking pro wrestling. They're going to joke on her shit. That's all that was that's all it was. How do you not? She didn't run. The company Miss ran the company in her area. She worked in was always phenomenal. So I don't know man. I just think it was a bias against pro wrestling and when I got it when I got encounter people that that have bias our business. I don't I don't black it. I'd like to separate my own a start. The conversation get away from him and don't Inter Inter interact with him again. We all have lifted the God you know being shamed I was. I was kidding for years of being too fat. When I was in fourth grade it was terrible bullying? I saw this bullying so I didn't appreciate it very much and I thought they've made very miss representations of her character character in that in that matter and the Gaza talked they talked to her. Say you are basically the same ones you expect and thank God. Bruno came back around and understood what was going on and was a forgiving. If that's a good word but some of these other cats are the normal suspects. They're going to bitch about them being wrong. And guess what you know. Why Conrad because it did say their goddamn money? They didn't pay their taxes on time. Many of them there abyss should look in the mirror instead of worrying about the promotion. I didn't get my push push. I was promised to push what the fuck is a push. What are you have to do the push? What does a restaurant to push everything a officer or the opposite of what you are your puss and you got no oh character? Look in the mirror and say I'm sorry self I screw this up on luck to have another chance. 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There's a few unsung heroes of the divas that I signed resigned That don't get the credit today. Deserve serve and that would include Mickey as by far. She's a hall of Famer. She's a hell of a hand. The RISI keep mickie James James Types types around is because they can have great matches or better the best matches that some your green women can cannot have working with each other. Mickey's that stable thing. And her women like Jackie more checking. Moore's as good as anybody we ever signed anybody's nobody was any better than checking more. And for all the great success that Lita and Trish head and became major stars still popular in the autographs circuit You got to look back Assay Atta girl mickie James Atta girl. Jackie more Atta girl. Ivory there are several of those women didn't the accolades that they probably should've deserve. I'm just thinking that Mickey Probably Vinci's You know his cup of tea. Maybe but I thought she was just phenomenal. I still do. They're lucky they they have her and she's still saying she's got a beautiful singing. Voice is GonNa beautiful son her husband's the NWEA champion. I got a lot of time for mickie James and our family and I just think she's a classic she's definitely hall of Famer and she's one of the few people that they get inducted into the hall of fame I I would venture back into those waters to go. See your get inducted. I just has so much love and respect for Mickey because what she's gone through and battled through the little no country girl that could all she. She's trying to liver dreams and anybody can't can't appreciate others trying to live their dreams. Kiss my ass my dimple Bull Bat Oklahoma ass kiss. Let's talk about that for a minute. You got me down the rabbit hole when he said you know. Maybe she wasn't Vincent Cup of tea. How much do you I think the the push of the divas is aren't the quote unquote push of a Vince? Vince McMahon and his endorsement hinges on whether or not he thinks you're attractive a lot because he's like a casting director. That's unlike anything in Hollywood. It's convinced has got this this His arms wrapped around this bad premise. It's that way in all areas of entertainment where you're going to be seen on television or on the screen in of any kind so I don't think it's a it's unusual but he certainly an he he. He feels the same way about male talent. If he doesn't think he got something something I think that's why Christian didn't get the push he could've gotten in. WWe after he helped me. And they broke up Vincent and thanked Christian in my view but only only one opinion. That's all didn't have the typical big star look and thankfully a Christmas now working for Fox during the Tuesday night thing with Rene and Booker T.. And they they do a nice job and a fun show so you punks her time. I don't know where you're supposed to talk about the talk show right so yeah so I I just I think that This had the eye for talent. And when he saw somebody that he he he he would have no problem. Anointing them are making sure contracts this or let's take care of this person or whatever and he was big if he didn't think he had the sex appeal Then at the end of the day. You probably aren't GonNa make it if he didn't think you a natural organic sex feel and had it the it factor. You probably weren't GonNa make it in in the wwe and quite frankly again in Vinci's defense the same thing held true for the guys miss the Christian as an example Christmas Hell L. worker still is he wanted to but when he was with edge edge special special and Christian filth that Robert Gibson WPRO ricky with his career cares matic Williams ricky and that was edge and the rudder in the water and the fundamentally sound guy and the comeback guy or the sales I was was was Robertson so that's the look at that thing you know so it was. It was A. There's an issue there but but it's not an unusual issue and it's not it's not exclusive exclusive to wwe or any other oriented wrestling thing is is that way and all forms of entertainment. You know I'm not saying he's the Harvey Weinstein things going on here at all under saying that this new what he liked he knew what he thought would sell in. Hell is his team is. He's the executive for everything. Thanks so that was his deal. Stock a little bit about something. That was a big deal at the time and I'm sure even more so behind behind the scenes talking about Shane McMahon meltzer would write regarding. Shane McMahon even though his resignation is effective. The first of the year he has not been working at the company Johny since resigning. It's been said that the morale as far as the workers in the office has been the lowest anyone can remember. Linda McMahon was described as being a wonderful boss to work worked for and Shane McMahon was also well liked by those in his department. But the same isn't said about those who work and worked for Stephanie. Events is extremely extremely well respected but his mood swings and changing his mind so often made it very difficult to work for him and virtually everyone who has worked directly with him after after being let go have remarked that they would never want to go back. One person close to him has said that his leaving had to do with him being forty years old and wealthy and that he was passed over for power and he was tired of being humiliated publicly biased father. So shame leaving the company is something a Lotta people probably never called. You were there from the beginning. Did you ever get the vibe that this was going to shake out and he would be the odd man out. I never thought Shane would leave. But I also never thought that Shane was going to be the heir apparent apparent and I think at some point around this time is where Shane realized that Vince is going to go another direction as his successor. And that was the daughter triple h Paul Beck was going to be. The guy still is going to be the guy so but I didn't know that that drastic times we'll take these drastic measures whereby Shane would be leaving his birthright believing the family company to go out on his own. I think at the ended the day folks. All Shane McMahon wanted to do was make his dad proud in the family business and it seemed in Shane's view that that Opportunity Tapie was never going to exist. Did you ever conversation with Shane into the sea. Come do you know ahead of time before we went public. He's thinking about. He's an out of my office and we talked and because we were friends and he understood my I had some of those. Same trepidation. I got tired of the some of those things that he used experiencing. This took it as part but I wasn't. I wouldn't miss a son I I wasn't I wasn't in the hunt or the discussion to be in that Hierarchy which I found me I was making plenty of money and I have my Gig and I'm happy with it but Shane had is whole different ballgame. Anybody else could experience. The only son of man felt like he wasn't going to be able to succeed his father and because and that's what he wanted to do in vissel me one time you know he loves this Lebowski. It's still does great grandchildren. You know Steph has got all girls else she's got. All boys is a great great situation but the bottom line is is that you know best told me one time that you know the girl sick and the girls got more is more like me than the boy and I don't know how he got the conversation but always saw Steffi had the tiger very aggressive sometimes hyper for aggressive in the eyes of some. I'm sure but but but that's what he wanted he wanted. He wanted controversy wanted strong leadership. He wanted impactful players in that role to be an and he thought that Stephanie have more viscous personality then. Did Shane and Shane was more like Linda. As as we just be. Commissioner Mona go and I don't think that either those are wrong but I felt badly for Shane and how he left and you know and try to go out on his own and do his thing and and then indicate back. He's come back lately and I don't you know I don't know where he is now. I I know he was on an episode AC- aside the other day. I thought he did a good job but nonetheless. I don't know what his future Patriot there but knowing him family. They're going to be just fine. What do you think about the way? It was sort of broken down what it was like working for each McMahon. Linda being described as a wonderful boss to work for Shane being described as well liked by those in his department. Not Saying the same about Stephanie. Anthony we've we've beat up what it's like working for Vince McMahon. What about Stephanie? Well she I didn't have any. I've never had any real serious issues with Stephanie. Quite honestly You know we. We've had a couple of little miss Disagreements and you know I got called. The principles convinces office with her and Vance chance. Because I haven't mentioned I said something you know we other people have. We don't have the best addiction sometimes. This we don't utilize vocabulary sometimes as good as we should. Perhaps I called. I was GONNA coach was a he'll work with lawler me and you know 'cause none never ending task to replace. Jr and younger younger younger her more diversity diversity cool I native American s kind of diverse. Right so I. I called coach in he the balance at boy. We tell you something Nanakuli boy. It's boys comma boy. I'll I tell you something. And all of a sudden somebody heard it and I got caught in this office by Stephanie Invents for for making a what for for C.. To be a racial overtone. which is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard my fucking lies and coach other coaches in that reading too so I had apologized to coach for offending him? If I did and I brought venture said which part of my problem go j the arc sometimes can't keep his goddamn mouth shut. I said you're making a mistake. This is bullshit and you guys know. It's bullshit nobody said nothing. They do us right. They knew I was racist. I didn't dislike coach. I don't still don't dislike coach. Won't I dislike codes for God's sakes he's harmless so that was that that deal and that was just. She was flexing our muscle in front of her dad. Show him how she would handle a tenured experienced employees and so I didn't agree with any of that still don't is still untrue. Still Bullshit but it's not the grounds for bullshit. I'm going to carry with me. The rest smile live and have a issue with her. I don't have an issue Stephanie. None she was. I understood what she was trying to do. Goddamn how many times did I try to impress. Impress my dad. How many times to try to impress his ass and I fell short more often than not to finally one day in my entire life? He told me love me one time one time so there so we were so I did have bad feelings about her then or now but she was challenging urging because she she was trying to manage elect she perceived best would manage. And I think now what I hear. She's managing more more all cut from her own skin. She knows a role there. She's got a big position there. WWE and I think she'd probably not as heavy handed se which was because she knows. That's not the the way you motivate talent in today's world. Let's talk about somebody who's motivated to come back can't believe this is real meltzer would Ri- according until the wwe source who would have full knowledge of the situation. Bret Hart Fifty two signed a short term talent contract with WBZ's past week covering a period from January January first to April tenth or through Wrestlemainia in about two weeks after the March twenty eighth show at the University of Phoenix Stadium. In Glendale Arizona are simply told us he wasn't GonNa lie about anything and thus wasn't going to say anything about the story. This is pretty remarkable. I don't think a lot of people after the whole brisk rude brats scenario nineteen ninety-seven went down. Anybody thought this would ever happen. But somehow it does twelve years later. What do you remember? Remember about Bret Hart coming back into the fold here very happy. I was happy Anytime you can spend quality time with Bret Hart. You're better off for it. And that goes for his friends like me. It certainly is a doubly effective for talents because he is a a great out of shot and maybe it says he doesn't. He's not interested. I'm shocked at somebody isn't using Brit to help. Coach teach motivate younger talents. He taught the right way. He's he's brilliant. Brilliant Mind Great. Great worker one of the best. Yes I ever saw my life so I was happy is coming back for a variety of reasons but not at the top of the fact that he's GonNa start wrestling again. He Him and having Bret Hart back on the team to maybe like having Brett farve back at the packers just hanging around the talent pretty remarkable that comes together and he makes the debut on the January fourth raw the same night that TNA would make their debut on Monday night how much of this Brett Acquisition Shen wise because Vince felt even a little bit of competitive juices flowing based on TNN moving Monday. Well it might have something to do with you know who vision that. Vince is reaction to aws Wednesday nights for the for super precipitated and created a need put INEX- t from their own network back to back on a put it on USA. I'd never thought that he would go that far. It's a good strategic move. He's got a lot of your washing resting on Wednesday nights. No doubt about that. And there's the so-called Wednesday night war Guscott knows we cut it relived love. His old is new again right. So the attitude era all on Mondays Wednesdays Big War War folks tune in strict your mind digwar knock things going on. We do now. But I don't know I just I mean. Shane was Brett was a part of the fabric of the company and it seemed like a ride at a lot of wrong ought to get his Jersey back so I was happy that he came back but But you don't think much of it was was TNA or you. Think I don't I don't think so maybe eighty maybe but I think getting Brett back in for the sake of the brand. Our brand sir. At that time was where the money was. It'd be honest with you. Go pissing the people off Ballantyne. A is like they hadn't is we had guns and they were Never GonNa win the fight. So that's kind of where I look at that. It could have had an influence. I'm sure it could have could have yes. It could have at the time. Probably not don't you think. Don't take Vince McMahon's attitude the one you just laid out for the attitude towards the TNA rivalry quote unquote. He's got a view. A W the same way I mean. Even you yourself say well we're not trying to compete with Vance. We don't think we're going to put Vince out of business. That's not our goal. Our goal is to create a product addicts profitable and and enjoy ourselves and make some money doing it and I mean that's the reason everybody should be in business but don't you think that the the Vince views. Aws well they've got knives. I've got guns. Yeah absolutely he. I'm sure it is the mind's eye hint. Somebody's you're saying it's a marathon not a sprint Sir Bob Blah Blah all those things just basically saying they will run out of gas they will run out the fuel and we're GONNA be and who's going to be less standing W W percival. WWE's always going to be standing unless they really stop listening adding to their audience. Altogether creatively and don't make some changes to fresh and things Like every company must do so. It's not me knocking the Goddamn ww. Poke so tweet what you want. I'm not knocking them. We all have to do this. We all have to be better every week or not gonNA make it. We have to be better every week or are not going to make that clear enough everybody and that includes WB crews aws loosed everybody. So yeah I think that I just think that Brent was such a part of this thing and I think that was a big in what's getting Brett back with a whole lot bigger than battling TNA but there's no doubt in my mind that Saying that age w with some of his players that he helped mold including Jericho and Moxley myself among others were are we got more steam than he thought and the other thing about. Somebody said. I'm not missing us on the show. You know this is just worth about two billion in change very much tied to his core business and not a lot of other diversity Mr Khan is very diversified very diversified. Not just the Jaguars Fulham Football Club in England but manufacturing factoring plants hotels real estate. and He's worth eight point two billion. I'll take my eight point. Two billion dollar guy running out of money after after the guy that has two point two billion. Just do the math folks. Just do the math. Let's keep it moving here. Let's talk about you wake alright. WB ANNOUNCER JIM. Ross says if he returns to the announced position in twenty ten it might not be the smackdown brand also suggestion could open on the door for him to return to raw or B movies. W quote. Something there's an automatic that win if our turn it over to be that I'm automatically going to be back on the smackdown unannounced team. I wouldn't say it's an automatic call at all and he also said that you will wait for the quote unquote issues to play out as WB. It'd be trust to find the right combination for the raw smackdown and he. CW teams math striker was shifted from ABC W smackdown in WB called up Byron Saxton from developmental to call EC w after Jr left his position on smackdown following a bell's palsy attack. So chat me up. What were you thinking? Is this something you were thinking. Hey I'm gonna I'M GONNA come back but I'd like to get back on roll. Well Conrad I had my third bout bills policy right after right before this right third bout. I didn't know where my health was GONNA be. We were still trying to figure out what Causes Bills Palsy. And they still don't know there's no cause there's no known cure and I. My biggest priority was my health as it should be for. All this wasn't who's GonNa call are who come on bullshit. So I I I. I wasn't crazy about the product that wasn't crazy about how it was treated. I wasn't crazy about being lied to put on smackdown in two thousand eight as it were unhappy and maybe I'll maybe I was too challenging to make happy. Maybe I was giant that corporate pain in the ass who thought his way was always better than the company's way and that may be true. I will admit I was not the easiest this new world of manage at at times because I felt like I had adequate product knowledge as adequate as anybody in the company and I know that sounds egocentric sale. But when you've been a fan all all your life and you get the business when you're twenty two years old and he got all these great mentors these amazing experiences and you'd pay dues in a variety of ways. I didn't need to be told what to say by some kid that just got out of college or walking around this smirk. Yes smile on their face. 'cause we got you so I didn't know what was going and a half there at the end I was. I WANNA get my health better but I thought my my smile will come back or so of these things. I made it very tough for myself. My my attitude. I was in state of depression. I didn't feel good. The migraine headaches are killing me. Not being able to smile drooling. You know somebody that looks at you. You're setting plane and you realize you're drooling is fucking embarrassing so at that time. I didn't give a shit chew I call. It didn't matter. I knew I knew dude as well as anybody could hire if not better. That's my opinion I'm sticking to it but he'll firemen. I just WANNA get well. I WANNA get healthy. I want to find out what's wrong with me. Why are we doing? It was happening so I didn't know what was the future who helped but thank God Jannine. I'd say their money and visit taking good care of me on the stock so I was good. I had no debt and To to speak of so I was fine but I want my health is my biggest concern and some people have a hard time believing that. But it's it's actually the truth. Let's talk about something that may or may not be. The True Wade Keller is going to address the recent dip in. Wb Pay per views. Well he's going to share the they'd be excuse Wb hasn't used the explanation before any recent quarterly conference calls with investors trying to explain new investors while pay per views have declined to know non-competitive away in seven. And here's the quote. One of the things that we've seen is that the number of people washing is going up there. Maybe one person ordering in three families coming over to watch it. WBZ's product in general as a communal experience said marketing executive Michelle Wilson in an interview with at age dot Com. So one of the things. We're looking at in twenty Tin Tin One pay per view per month so people will have to decide whether they want to pay per views in the single month. People do make the hard decisions and a down on a Konami and Wilson doesn't acknowledge that you guys at increase your pay per view price five dollars to a base price of forty four ninety five to recoup some of that lost else revenue from dropping pay-per-view vents. So we're going up five dollars and pay per views are down and the official story as well. Three families are watching everyone house now. Well the the I appreciate wage. Take nothing wrong with it. I don't know if this is. I think there are more issues than that. I always go back to. The biggest issue is star power. WHO's it's hot? WHO's hot you coming off Austin and rock? How do you follow that? Were you prepared to follow that. Did you have creative in place to follow that. Did you think those days would never end my friend. It was bad management on our on our side guys that we were counting on to get over big time did did not they eventually got better but you know we were counting too much on John Cena to care. Pull the entire wagon that Austin and rock or pulling together along with a younger triple H in a returning Shawn Michaels in a vintage undertaker and a surprisingly successful Mick Foley at Cetera et Cetera. Vetere horror those guys and how are they. Reinvented how're they improved. Enhanced I see triple h Shawn basically there are so oh good that they were doing the same things. Maybe that should have been reevaluated. I don't know but we didn't have the star. It's all about the attractions paper views. I had this in common folks. In every company is their only event that's going to sell on his name only as Wrestlemainia every other pay per view in the business today has to be attraction driven. So I'm simply sit all be it. The talent work their asses off and they were giving you the great effort what she love. We didn't have anybody over to the level that Austin Iraq were and therefore our audience felt like they were buying a less van product at times. So I think that's the reason it's attraction driven favor us do well contractions or hot and their their own top. Well let's talk about The actual show we're finally here TLC two thousand nine December thirteenth. Let's talk about the announce team. It's Michael Cole. Jerry lawler and Matt striker at Meltzer says says these guys don't jail at all quote strike. You're in one year has gone from being one of the best announcers in the business to one of the worst. He seems to fallen victim to the peer pressure. Regarding against uncalled to do research or care so instead he just spouts things out. We'll come back to that for a minute. What did you think of the Michael Cole? While Jerry Lawler Matt striker combination don't remember a lot about it we also the You know it's three. Men Teams are hard are to to navigate at times. You know. I think Tony Shivani and X. Column Not do a decent job and getting better at it. We have a lot of work to do on Wednesday night. So we're we're damn shirt trying to be the best team in wrestling. That's our goal but three maintains are hard especially when you throw them you throw a striker into the mix new and you got no net. You're live TV in other words. No reduce it's challenging. But I they didn't have time to get good enough rest to get good so how anybody would have thought that you know that that combination is going to be seamless. Aimless is somewhat naive so I didn't hate it in fact I was team that I can I can. I can admit that freely but it didn't overwhelming but it was the reason I would have thought the bar broadcast was bad or good but they they. They're they just weren't given the opportunity to come together. And so that was pretty obvious. What do you think about Matt striker's striker's classification here? But they've melt through that he's gone from being one of the best one of the worst and I guess there is some peer pressure at least Meltzer's mind SORTA not perceived as being cool within the WWe subculture an ecosystem to be well researched or prepared. It's it's more of the old school was just calling the ring. You mean like I used to be prepared and do some due diligence. I bullshit on that all time to I didn't give a shit. You're not doing this job. I'm doing it and guarantee if they thought you could do better than me my ass regard heartbeat because they wanna get me out of their drastically dynamite my assets that seat so i. I don't know Matt Matt Mascot his own style but I could understand. It wasn't fair to damn that he was being made fun of Lucky. He was arresting nerd because he he wanted to prepare a new job. Yeah that's not right. It's not right as being a goddamn bully boy. Was that bullets. Turn out three or four times a show. It's just not cool. What do you think Matt striker as a As a commentator somebody that we thought once upon a time boy he's found his niche. This is where he'll be and be out like he was long for the WWE World Great Fan. Great Product Knowledge Very Intelligent Matt and I work. Wrestle Kingdom nine together live ringside in from Tokyo Bill and the story behind that deal is that we're going out there. We had worked together long. Time live live five hour pay-per-view. No bathroom breaks. Be Sure your kids and we never got a four-man in English ever. They give us our sheets. Corral and Japanese. Sorry no confronted a foul not Japanese an in Westville. Oklahoma is school so we were on our own. But so the the reason I bring this up is because Matt what are we gonNA do basically hands because we had nobody in our ear. We didn't know when pyros coming we didn't want the replays are coming nothing. They didn't give a shit that we were. There are not be honest with you but he held his hands up what now and I said basically maimed or were recall. I just follow. Just just listen and we made it through the five our broadcast. I thought we did pretty decent job. Considering the circumstances is it very few people even knew about we set there. We had the we had the order of the matches because we we knew that off the Internet but we got nothing else he he endured that he endured it and he came through and for that he has my respect. Let's talk about the masses here. Let's get going. We've got a a A ladder match here with Shelton Benjamin and Christian for the world title Christians coming into Champ. I get plenty of time here. Eighteen eighteen minutes and five seconds ago four and a quarter stars There is a spot here where they stopped the match. The Texas State Athletic Commission which Meltzer says doesn't even exist mandates that mass has to be stopped at the first sign of blood. What did you think of of the angle? What did you think of the match? And what did you think of the performance within Christian and shown minimum like both guys. It has a lot if I had a promotion would love to have both guys team too long. She was a strong effort eighteen. Twenty minute match going into it and then the ladder again go back to where we talked about earlier it just. It was an indiscriminate. Use the ladder and so it made it is it just as repetitious And it wasn't creative so but I I. I didn't hate it but I didn't. The match itself didn't jump off the page. Because it wasn't there wasn't a Turkey hot issue. I mean white hot issue that that would necessitate I blow off match like a ladder match in Christian and chill but it was a good opener and you can always depend on those guys to give give you all. They got and try to do the best job. Based on what tools are given to work with. Talk to me a little bit about you. Know where the the blood blood situation is with the company. You know where we're stopping the match here blaming the Athletic Commission on others. No Blood Policy Christian starts to bleed. We Stop Stop the match with closed. The Kyle we back into a continue the match. How much of this as an old school guy? As you think was a little overkill it was overkill. The talents health is in jeopardy. That's one thing that was not this thing right there was. Luckily you know it wasn't like a rick. flair dusty Rhodes of main event bloodbath. Right wasn't that wasn't that it was simply a little bit of juice and over over over need shirking the no blood policy you know. I think the no blood policy was more specifically for Using using a method to get the blood us no blade. I think that was what was curtail. Because you know it is a contact to profession. There is GONNA be bloody noses and busted eyes and busted lips and things like that and it's just GonNa happen so But I'm not big on stopping if the if the if the talent isn't endanger stopping the match stopping their continuity and the flow of the match. Not the best thing but the bottom line is always should be as it should be now today and forever no pun intended. The Talents Hill is first and foremost most to any scenario. So that's I I understand why they the the deal is is that it was a PR thing to make sure that the the people that didn't that didn't like wrestling. They did not like recipe. 'cause we use the guys used blades to cut cut themselves. They didn't like the whole process. And I don't you know I don't have a lot of time for those people as I've mentioned and so I thought it was. Okay good opener. Good opener but stopping the match for those guys are trying to build. Momentum did not do them any favors. Let's talk about the next fastest for the intercontinental title. John Morrison is GONNA lose. The drew McIntyre drew vision. WHO ACID champ? It takes ten minutes and nineteen seconds to tell the story. Two and three quarters of Star meltzer would say Work the average for crowd. Not that much into it. McIntyre isn't seen as the star even with this push. I'm fascinated by this because ten years later. Both of these guys in the company after some stints outside. What did you think watching this one back for the first time in a long time? A lot of potential both guys keepers Ironically as you mentioned McIntyre McIntyre should have been anointed either w champion or the universal champion a year ago. He's perfect for that. That role size look demeanor skillset. Something has put him back. I don't know what it is. I got a lot of. I have a lot of confidence in drew McIntyre to the point where if drew McIntyre came to company that I was working at the time I would recommend him to be a champion he had all the necessary ingredients to be a champion. And now now is is Is Dr is even more than I think. It was by back then. He doesn't have so many distractions that his personal life as he might have had back. Then so I I I'm a big believer in drew McIntyre and I'm proud to sit John Morrison has got back there John's great guy smart extremely talented talented. I don't know where he got back. He stays his life where he can make some good money regular checks all those things but I don't expect John Because this major push push in. WWe because here we are all these years later and Macintyre the big guy size guy that Vince covets hasn't got his push yet either. So I don't know but the mashes fine. It's just David made a good point that neither one really over right. So the massive dimension had that emotional investment when the fans that you could barely hear or see that they did not have so that was the one negative about that deal the working ringo. Sign next that we've got Michelle McCall. She's going to retain the women's title beating making James Seven minutes and thirty one seconds Two and a Half Stars Leyla ails ringside wearing a piggy James Shirt which you referenced earlier Not The best match and Matt striker says To get started here in lawler and cold taking the task that McCall should be in the hall of fame and of course lawler colour acting acting like that's ridiculous and then Strikers arguing that McCall is better than Wendi Richter ally and of course neither one one of them are in the hall of fame either so not a star Moma here for mass striker. The match SORTA is what it is for me. Both ladies were working hard but I will address. Thanks thanks come a long way and and this was This one doesn't look as good and Hans. I would say a lot but Both legs great athletes. Here you know what I think about Mickey Okay. Sure I think she's. She's the one of the best all time. Michelle Great Athlete Florida State Background Astounding Softball player. Greg always at amazing condition. It's the but she was just getting started. Come on she just get started is on today's level. Well no it's not on today's level caused. These women didn't get the same training. They didn't have the same dancing partners. There's no reason for any female in resting now to to to one to want to You know to not be great and not to not have a chance to be good because you know that you're good enough. You can headline major events wrestlemainia. Well that's yeah okay. Wait wait a minute. I think Ronda Rousey Stillman. And her she represented and brought her gender into the men of Slot Wrestlemainia but not acapella. Obviously obviously Becky Lynn of the world and the Charlotte's of the world and all these other ladies. They had a lot to do that as well. They just were different different place different time. But it wasn't a bad match whatsoever. They didn't embarrass anybody. It was a cold match the steeler wrestling term next up we've got a tables match for the titled John. Saint it's going to be defending against shameless shameless gets the win sixteen minutes and nineteen seconds. Now he's champ Three and a quarter store meltzer would say after shameless left. The Ring Sina got up and did the spot where he's looking for applause. We got some but he got even more boos than applause even after losing the title. Either way crowd was way into the match as much as anything else on the show. What'd you think here? Shame getting anointed for the big title win over John Cena. That's why you have match these giving mashes like the tables match seen and you didn't lose about Penn follower submission the traditional ways of losing a wrestling match losing a title. It was looked at as this will protect champion which I think is one of the most. The biggest crocks craft there ever was protect. This guy protect that guy. If you're not good enough to lose by pinfall or submission if you can't figure it out then you need the to really go go get some more seasoning. You get you need to get out of the get out of the the national spotlight here. The Global Spotlight Sina can do that. But they didn't didn't have confidence that John could do. It has well this. This is the less of the eagles. So you make a champion and a gimmick match over your top guy or certainly one one of your top guys soon to be the top guy and you do it a discounted way like he had a coupon. I just don't see the It's just coming from ottaway. I like shameless on her back. Take some time off. Probably smart deal because he was on diverging way overexposed whether tags or singles these very talented guy tough guy. I like him a lot but I just think that How he he won? That title is little discounted. I just didn't think I thought it could have been done better. And made him a bigger better champion because house look at the end of the day the chasing baby face will prevail and I don't. I'm not buying into this well we we KIP. BEAT HIM WHI since. When are you back in the nineteen forties sixties? Okay we're eighties. It's all passe. People forget and forgive and they. If you're good enough talent you should be able to figure a way out to lose without a coat and cook killing you and destroying in your push. You can't destroy your Goddamn push folks just can't do it can't lose was crazy esley laughable. Let's talk about shame us for a minute here. Why do you think then took such a liking? The him so quickly feels like he abused with a huge push. And you know you always sort of WanNa get into Vince. This mind a little bit. Why does he get the push? That maybe McIntyre dozen or or whatever. He's Irish Chris Conrad Go. He's Irish. Not There's nothing wrong with that. Favorite phillies Irish. The man Becky Lynch's is Irish my writing partner Paulo. Brian is Irish. I got a lot of respect for the Irish and Vince is a Irish by the way so I think that's that park broke. The ice shame always had an overwhelming work ethic. He was an amazing warrior in the weight. Room a great training dieting. He was dedicated. Still is sure but I always had a lot of time for the kid. A good kid is a good racing is family and he just he saw it. I've sure that would account more for me than the Irish part but I think the Irish got him into the dough and when she got into doe he made he made his time good for him. Let's keep it rolling. Let's talk about our next match. It's a world title match. It's a chairs match this time undertaker in Batista they have thirteen minutes and fourteen seconds. Undertaker retains you know the chairs. There's match concept is interesting especially in two thousand nine meltzer. Once I the whole chairs mass concept is difficult but they didn't overdo the chair shots. That's are doing brutal headshots with a chair. And a few months ago the match would have built up would've been built up by at least two six chair shots. I do think that's worth mentioning a chairs match here when we're starting to get more of an understanding about CTV and head trauma. You can't really do the crazy chair shots that what you've done in the past which is a good thing but man you really make it difficult for your talent to figure out how to put together a compelling chairs match what the president's been set. Ah We're supposed to WACK each other over the head but we probably shouldn't do that now absolutely so you you might wonder. Why was the mashed booked right? Because it fit into the T. L. C. underscored see theme again. Another proof your honor that we should not have booked card this by undertaker and Batista in a world title match. Doesn't need a gimmick right. Stop it but to fit the whole the whole theme and so can be slid software. The tree all nice gift wrapped is was that was that was the mandate so Didn't like it. I I thought the match was not representative of what both talents could bring and I think that they were both limited a great deal because they were forced to use chairs not that they had the option and it worked in because it fit relative the storyline and you had to use a chair and it was an unnecessary evil by far. You just can't convince me that people would not have been justice interested in that world title match without chairs as they were with chairs. Something else I wanted to ask about is there's a spot in this match where Batista's going to deliver a low blow and then a chair shot and then gets the pay on. It feels like he's your new world champion. An antennae long long comes out and says while the chair shot was legal the low blow was not. He's not GonNa let the title Changed Hands That way so he orders the massive continue. Of course undertaker take her immediately. Gets the win so it is sort of a weird little dusty. Finish thing for lack of a better phrase but I guess what I struggle with is this is very inconsistent. We've seen I can't tell you how many titles change hands. After one of the guys delivers a low blow in. It's not restarted. I mean is there any thought to some sort of continuity or consistency here or or clearly. Just Hey fucking. They won't remember. Let's just do it. Yeah Yeah I think more the latter you know again trying to work around the chairs and trying to quote unquote protect somebody. I just don't believe leaving it. That the tallest protect themselves and again the mechanics are get into a two into the ten fall is shut one's creativity every inter skillset. There's no doubt in my mind that both entertainer and David Teesta. Who by the way? Congratulations for being a name to go on the w hall of fame this spring. Excuse me very deserving he's an magical class man CENA Batista Listener Randy Shelton a nice glass. Well W W that have been held territory back in the day when those those guys. Yeah so but I just think that again. They're saddled with a chair our dilemma and the overwhelming mind. And sometimes that's the boys. The boys love to get him in the head of another talent and say hey how are they protecting you right. Are they protecting you. How about this? How are you protecting you? How are you you going to strategize a three count? which takes three seconds by the by and and have a productive entertaining match? That's a question. So you can't depend on the producers of the coaches or the agents or call today to solve all your issues that's your because they're not gonNA we'll be in there with you so I thought that was a very MIS booked match in hindsight it should have been a classic with the chairs. Dropped it down to where even a connoisseur of of main event level matches like Dave Meltzer it the two and a half stars should have three or four star mass. At least. Let's let's talk about the low blow here because I do feel like when it comes. MM to low blows. We're sort of experts here on the show. Jingle balls to the walls fellows listen up untrimmed pubis or thing of the past. It's time to gear up and get yourself a gift of shaving this holiday season. Of course we're talking about the gate. Perfect Package two point zero. And that's why this Revolutionary Company manscaping landscaped as redesigned the elector trimmer to make sure that the errant story in your past stays there in the rear view mirror. 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Far Cry from a month ago when this was the hottest view the company had in a long time and almost took talent to have a feud where people weren't interested before they even got to the first pay per view match meltzer would continue to say the booking of this program for more from when it got hot to the finish of this match was mind blowing a lot of folks. You know. Sort of talked about this angle. Very recently with Randy Orton and Kofi Kingston that it. It felt like they dropped the ball back in two thousand nine with this so people were glad to see a dust it off. Would you think here. Well I thought that it was a huge fumble in the red zone Those guys this follow the instant they had in the guard. I don't if I remember correctly I've felt there was magic in the garden. Interaction between Randy and Kofi. I thought boy you can build something on this if somebody is listening and they are objective. Then I think it would be a no brainer. This is a great idea idea. These guys got chemistry. And you know I I just thought this. I can't believe they're just back door in this thing. So you have to figure out this address. This is it. Because it's gotta be because Conrad. I think that the company didn't have total confidence in the the pairing right. What else what else could it be? Nothing I can't think of another reason not to go with it. Yeah and so is that because randy was a little bit of a while child And you know or is Nazi Kofi. Top Guy I think that was the other thing I was going to say. So I don't know what the answer is obviously over time If that were applicable then it's changed because Kofi got his run champion and I thought he did a good job. I I always thought and I think. Kobe responded me on social media. One time and I I felt bad about I should reach out to a shoe still should mentioned that I I want to be a little bit more serious because I thought as the wwe champion or the That Kofi should have stepped away from our universal janitor. When he was that he should have stepped away away from a little bit? A little bit from As far as a little bit more serious. That's just me I said Fin it's not knocking Kofi. Kofi did what he's do Kofi Cases Amazing Amazing Athlete and now. He's worried he so how come an companies there Randy Orton Hall of Famer. Kofi will be in the hall of fame Sunday. Sure accompanies another run. But I got all the faith and the confidence and Kofi that you could have I really do and Out WBZ really realizes that they have in the Shug man. I think they do. They should buy now. And of course in Randy Orton. Some of the best ever. He's in his randy's ranch on the more maturing influences that's scary thought a ww right. Now I love Randy Ord I loved his attitude back in the O.. Vw Days He was edgy. Here's cocky and you know it wasn't easy for when I said with Harbaugh Warton so son to events and what's he been doing well he's been in the service. Okay so you say you got your issues leaving the service but 'cause there's another like that and and he did when he found out he didn't like it but we had signed so let's get a chance. Everybody says she said it many times yourself. Everybody deserves a second chance. Jr even being you. We've had a bunch of US got a cigar truth. So I'm a big fan of Randy Orton. What he's doing? But that was just a think about this two thousand nine over a decade ago right here we are still wondering what's next guys right. You know I I I watched I watched. I Still Watch television. I watch all kinds of risky. I watched the ring water paper you this week I thought it was good. Watch a Lotta wrestling wrestling. I know why I'm a racing fan. I'm by myself a CY. I have control the remote and I don't know I just it's just funny. How do all all these years later and we're still asking the questions about two talents? That should be parentally on the top of the card every time. There's an opportunity and they're not I I gotta ask you know. I know we don't really talk about current stuff a lot but P. C. O.. Ring of Honor World Champ. What did you think happy foreign? Carl Nice Guy Really is nice guy he he got he got craft on a little bit. WW Two. I can't remember. He got some controversy. You somebody don't remember Sean. MARKLE's I'll click was I was. Yeah Okay so and I forget some of that stuff as time goes goes on those. Are things like that. You just don't WanNa pack in your carry on with So I I I remember it now so Carlton get the greatest of shakes when he he was there for God overcome his handicapped. Being Blind. When I you can only imagine focuses on what marge air when you blind and one on your out there working your ass off and wrestling wrestling inadvertent hypoc line? Thank thank you that offer the booking into into your into maintain your position card so I'm happy for the ring of honor. You know they out to have great success going forward. We all need to cheer on every wrestling promotion because ause they had the same men and women doing the same things that Awa does. WBZ does and so forth. Everybody should be given the support to make a living and and enjoy enjoy their life in the wrestling business. It's like I and like you are now Conrad. You know who to fuck this shit about you few years ago or me when I was a kid being held with a forty year career in the wrestling business. Nobody but we've got to live that dream because we nobody titus downhills back and so I'm glad Carl's got the chance to answer slaughtering of honor for giving me that opportunity and he can work. He's a good worker and a nice guy so nothing the success that That Co Jio has is is will deserve it. Put it that way and I a lot of time for Carl. I hope it. I've never had a conversation about this with anybody but I do think it might. It's it's interesting thinking an alternate universe. What a P. C. O. A. W. would've looked like I? I you know without ever having a conversation at all it feels like the young box would have liked a PC type character running around on TNT but either way ring of honor World Champ. Congratulations PC. Oh and let's talk about our big Mass Matt Year on the pay per view. TLC Two thousand nine Triple H Shawn michaels going to be taken on Chris. Jericho and big show the tag titles are going going to be in a TLC match and this is your main event not the actual world titles But the tag titles here plenty of time twenty two minutes thirty two seconds Meltzer He dug it and gave it three and a half stars and says crabs definitely into the idea that winning the tag titles was was a big deal so I guess you know no debate here. You got a lot of star power. This goes on last. Do you think the made the right call with the tag belts. Being on last I I think so because pure TLC number one swarthy that should have been the only gimmick match on the card. Those guys worked around the fact that that we'd already seen a table match but artists in a chairs match when artists in a ladder match. Now we'll get to all in one. There's a lot of duplicity. It makes it challenging the talent of the unique things to do that. Green engage the audience after watching wrestling for several hours and being invested so much time having so much time invested packing your kids up or your buddies or driving to the arena and parking and all that good stuff. It's a long day and you're at the end of that along event and now you're challenger your for your very very top guys to come up with something different to make their match unique. It's just hard to do But those star power in that match was a pretty remarkable show was hot at that time was being utilized. A great deal Jericho Jericho Eriko jerk will never got a mass where he was second best instill isn't by the way in my opinion biased. Yes but then you had shawn on hunter and you know they. They're phenomenal they. They had they had amazingly natural chemistry. That liked each other and I thought those guys that help them match. But I would've into that match quite quite frankly because again the could you imagine ending the show. Take her to a chair match right. Wouldn't work now. Could you imagine ending the show with take in a world title match. Yeah good but not when you're bastardize it with a chair 'cause as far the theme mm-hmm so but I thought it was a good match. Good outing show. I never saw sean in hunter. Have a bad tag team match. And there's other bed amash each other or as partners and You know in Jericho added a lot of energy to big shows game. You know Jericho's that that that You know chirping a barking dog you know and you got big. Show the big giant of human being and Jericho acting like he was size as well. It was great stuff so I I enjoyed it. I enjoyed watching it again. Wish I could have called it but it was a real good show closure. They knew what they're doing. They sent the crowd home. Happy new champions and they had a good match all they were doing. What did you think of this era of hunters? Sean together likes blackstone. Because what I just said they didn't have bad performances. Could they be pains in the ASS at times and use their influence and power in their in their relationship with this. Yeah they could've and here's the thing folks. I knew that was what have. Here's the deal is not anything. Unlike any other talent on the Rauscher would've done if given the same opportunity and those two guys You know obviously this had vested interest in both guys is always thought that a young man reminded him of a young Shawn. Michaels kind of defiant. petuous look tankers at times on drink. Whatever so I of course owner Kinda had family in and so they capitalize on that relationship and some people did not like that because they couldn't capitalize on our relationship so try harder? I can say for my situation. They did not disrupt the locker room to any degree. That's a fans would like to believe that they did. And secondly as far as the fans are concerned we provided them a match that was always going to deliver and their tag matches always delivered including this one so I had no issues with at all because at the end of the day. What's important is is making our fans happy and always thought that Sean and hunter never failed to deliver all doing that? Well let's wrap it up. What did you think of the pay per view overall L. scale of one to ten Well it went in never going to be a ten because of the concept I would say because the efforts of the last semester specially and And the work ethic of the talents trying to work around some very restrictive inanimate objects the show was probably about six or seven. You know it was. I don't think I'd ask for my money. Any back but I it didn't move me when I watched it back again. I watched it on TV. The I I don't think there where it was. What do we have that at San Antonio San Antonio. I'm not sure I was there. I don't think I was there so but it doesn't matter I. I thought it was solid. Paula Conrad six or seven. Well somewhere I know you were there. It's stark eight eighty eight. And we're getting their next week. Of course that show went down on December twenty six thousand nine hundred eighty eight and you'll be tuning in with us on December twenty six. But this time it'll be twenty. Nineteen the tagline for the show is true your main invent for the world's heavyweight championship as lex Luger challenging the champ ric flair. We've also got the tag titles on the line with the road. Warriors defending against Dusty Rhodes or they just stabbed with a spike and sting. We've also got the US title on the line with Bam Bam bigelow and Barry Windham. The television title is up for grabs with Mike Rotunda. Return Done Rick Steiner. We've got the Russian assassins in there with Jay Wadi and avocado off the midnight express versus the original midnight express with cornet and dangerously sleep in the corners and then of course to get started for the United States tag. Titles Heaven Sullivan and Dr Death. Taken on the fantastic's Bobby Fulton and Tommy. Rogers this I'm much different show than the one we talked about today. It's on time for next week. Star Katie. What are you looking forward to break down the most Jim? Well I'll tell you this card hard loaded with talent this mission the those things you just mentioned too certainly bring that to mind. I'll tell you that and I gave. Hey this show we talked about today the TLC two thousand nine six six or seven. It was not as good a show as the one. We're GONNA talk about next week. The eighty-eight Bash really good. I thought the battle the midnight shows excellent. You know flare was in rare form arm kind of knowing that he was getting his blow off and Luger. This'll I thought it was a a good solid show it. We've got to try to make it feel big magnum. Ta and Tony Shivani. The hosts and Bob Colin. I which I always loved to go back and listen to Bob in his work on our shows working working with me it was just amazing. Made me better being around. Bob Coddled made me a better man. Be Honest with you. So because he wasn't a rattlesnake it wasn't always paranoid or looking over his shoulder. What's coming next? I just love Bob. She'll do God bless him so I think they were going to lock the show. Conrad and it's GonNa going to be. It's going to be a fun thing and we're getting a lot of good feedback of thanks. You and I are doing. You know we're GonNa go to Michigan during the during our breaks the only on the UK side of the dial for example or not only UK. I've been missing the fact that we're going to be with Kenny. McIntosh and his crew looking forward to that that come up in February Conrad first transatlantic shows three of Monroe London Manchester and Glasgow. And Conrad. It'll be a lot of fun inside. The ropes has all your information go to their website and check it out. We're going to support over there you know Conrad and had this sat kidding. Conrad's wedding license is only good in domestic. Oh my God listening to you. We are excited to be there February seventh. We'll we'll be in London February eighth and Manchester February ninth. Glasgow you gotta go check it out. People are really excited that we're going to be making the trip and then you know what's what's funny is. It's just a couple of days before that you and I will be Here at stand up live right after the AWA show and Huntsville. Of course that's February. Fifth tickets are on sale now for that one super show live dot com man. You you're now we're gonNA live together for like a week. You think we'll talk. We'll be all right. We'll be good 'cause we have too much in common. We got to sleep and eat. I tell you I got this plant. Thanks to Tony Kahn. I've got this plan on pulling together. Conrad December twenty eighth is. It's the Oklahoma meeting with Lsu. Right and I'm going to start their own December twenty eight. I'M GONNA make that game. Goes Court Hoyle then. I'M GONNA fly Vlada Jacksonville and go. Guess Con- family to the Jaguars game on Sunday. Then I'm GonNa do media on Monday then on Tuesdays Newsday's New Year's Eve which will have a little get together for our team and our production meeting and then on January one we'll be back on live. TV TV with our big show from Jacksonville at the Amphitheater Davies place outdoors. So that should be interesting. got a nice and warm. That night was for fifty or sixty degrees so I got a big football weekend and I may stay over after the January first raw and go to the Gatabo. Why not what else am I going to do right? My Birthday January third. So I'm thinking I'm going to have this four a self proclaimed Petro brickyard painting yourself on the back birthday celebration. You should join me. Oh listen I was GONNA say I I can help bring some entertainment. Make sure that you have a lot of laughs. You are a funny guy. We appreciate life is good folks and we appreciate you guys listening to us to our our our. Our advertisers are getting great results. Thanks you folks. We really thought we live here. You don't get advertisers and use what we believed to be good products when we need them or you want them That's how we win and so we're all about winning here. We appreciate gus or it means I'll will especially here at the holiday season for many of us US exactly right hope. Everybody is ready for Christmas. We'll be back with you next week the day after Christmas. We're going to break down stark eighty eight Tele Fran live a five star of you. 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