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How to Leverage Live Event Marketing featuring Pechanga Arena (DH 005)
"In every village every town and every city big name entertainers come to perform their craft. What if I told you that Madonna Garth Brooks and Lebron James? All played to a packed out stadium and arena in San Diego ago and Kelly Comfort Barbecue was they're able to capture the attention of those raving super fans. You know that. Seventy eight percent of millennials would rather spend their money on event than to actually buy something no no matter what business or industry. You're in there is unique activation opportunities for you and your brand at live events on this week's episode. I sat down with Chris. Beal the Director of marketing and digital four Pechanga arena here in San Diego and Schultz Entertainment. Group is the largest you just live event company in the world. And Chances Are you've been to a g property on this week's episode. Learn how Chris beal his team and Ernie Hahn create these unique opportunities for brands as smallest Kelly Comfort in order to create unique experiences for the guests that are attending these events. Can't wait to share this episode with you every week. We're going to be doing a social shout out for digital hospitality. The thesis that we're working on is where where do you find digital hospitality in action if you find a company if you find a brand tag them tag us and send us an email at podcast at Kelly. BBQ Dot the media. Let us know this is your show. Just as much as it's ours. We want to continue to learn do that. And we're GONNA Hook you up with the digital hospitality Mug and remember or if we can't tag you online. We can't pimp online welcome to digital. Oh hospitality. I'm your host Sean Walsh. And this is Kelly. BBQ Media Production and we are here today with a very special guest Chris beal. Who is the marketing manager for a E. G. Entertainment Group here at the Pechanga arena in San Diego? Chris what's up has a gallon. It's fantastic yes. I'm so stoked to be here. This is like next level stuff and you know you do such a fantastic job doing this in barbecue so so stoked to be a part of it. Well I mean for for me doing this podcast starting with behind the smoke doing one hundred episodes with Derek Marceau. Who owns a butcher shop and I own a barbecue restaurant? It's really allowed us to look at marketing in a different way than just focusing on marketing Kelly Kelly Comfort Barbecue Italy or valley farm. And it's allowed us to get into a position where we're always learning Learning things that I'd never knew existed assisted trying to figure out new platforms figured out podcast distribution and for us. We are here to talk about aged aged specifically but also your background so for the listeners. That don't know who annual tenor team at group is give us a little bit of the big behemoth breath yes. Sports entertainment yet is a global entertainment company. I'm definitely not you know the official AG spokesperson just. You know I mean and that it is. It is a company that has many tentacles. You know They own various facilities including a Pechanga arena San the Eggo Put on different festivals. Different tours so fantastic company to work for Just because of all that reach and and They do everything from Coachella two own sports teams including the kings up in l. a. and then and then various different buildings staple centers one of their signature properties. Everybody knows staple center And and allows us also to kind of get together the other two different different marketers from different properties or You know kind of coming together and collaborating so it makes it definitely worthwhile. Yeah I I mean I think for me personally. One of the coolest things that's happening with marketing and with business small business big business genocides businesses that everyone has to start understanding what is happening with marketing. What's happening with digital what are how does our company present online? How does are constantly present in person told totem and that's less to this very interesting place What I'd I'd love to hear more about kind of your background because you're you definitely didn't go to school to get into sports entertainment properties real? I didn't yeah my background I mean was TV news. So I set out of of starting college wanting to TV reporter ended up being TV reporter which is college. So was there a moment that I think in high school is really where I went to Highschool here Uni of them now as cathedral relocated. My High. School is I think a luxury apartment complex nestled. Right Yeah Cross my memo. You went there studio so in high school. We had kind of a video production team team. I I really liked that aspects of things. I wasn't actually fantastic academically But really kind of gravitated towards all that creative stuff and really sought. TV News as kind of like accessible. It wasn't like film which I felt was like Steven Spielberg leg. How do you crack that young to be? Somebody's kid the that kind of thing. TV was even you know even on that same realm for me like how do you get on a TV lot. That kind of thing TV News you seem like there was like a TV station like five or six of them in every down now and seemed like a way to kind of get into into that realm liked telling stories obviously And liked being on camera. That worked out. And were you ever awkward on camera. Because I think that's a big fear. Fear that he had a business I mean a lot of people I mean even even the people that we had on behind the Smith Tower. Lipkin Heather Myers Jim Trotter. These people the Jim Trotter was a writer for the Union he studied journalists but now he's on TV for an NFL network. Yeah you know so. He never saw himself during talks about how when he was first on camera was a weird experience. I think we're experience and thankfully I think I did it a lot younger. You know what I mean because that was kind of doing this this at sort of an early age and I think everybody goes through all the Awkward Seth. Some people hate to tell you probably never going to grow out of it. You know what I mean people people probably you know maybe you know. Maybe it's not their thing you know what I mean. Some people see that they kind of they work around it you know they they find ways to you know to to find a presence you know some people kind of have it a little bit more. Naturally you know so I I think it was thankfully something. I was a muscle I was able to exercise early on. And then I'm thinking by the time I kind of graduated College you certainly had done a fair amount to where you know. I felt comfortable now. Still you know you're thinking about like your first TV job. My First TV reporter job was in Palm Springs Spring so fun it was like the coolest thing in the world. I mean it was like my college. I went to college here really kind of went to college journalism. I went to culture journalism here at UCSD. Yeah communication and First Time being live I mean this was is it was a plane crash Up in the hills of you know something one hundred twenty degrees there and I'm thinking thinking I like I need to have no notes like was what my brain is telling beal teacher told Ya no no nobody Chris you need to have no nuts. You know you need. Did you do this flawlessly from you know so I have my notes I think at the foot of my you know at my feet you know and and it's cameraman Yo. Yeah there's camera yourself. Produce wasn't self producing. Yeah you know there is like you know notes at my feet. They're flying everywhere. My brain is like everywhere to like equal as the paper is my brain. How many people are watching the all this stuff? I mean it was came to horrendous. Yeah it was. It was so bad. I remember calling my boss. You know. I'm like dude was alive. Yeah and I'm saying okay. I you know that this is not my best representation. You know I I will do better this kind of thing. He knows. I mean this. This guy was expecting it. Yeah you know what I mean in this guy knows you bring a guy the first time going live. He's not going to be incredible. You know what I mean like so I was putting more pressure. Did you have any self doubt Mike from the beginning that you probably you pick the wrong path Thankfully I I I really I try not to let that voice voice get too loud and I really you know whatever. It is just outlook or whatever I just I tried to not let that voice get too big. You know now and And I think that I knew that it was something that that you know that I would pursue and probably be good at you know and I think I was you know And then ended up going on to work in Sacramento and back down here in San Diego moving here with my wife and and It was. It's a fun run TV mortgage Megyn wife we met In in Sacramento Sacramento at the news. Yeah Yeah yes yeah. She was a producer And just hit it off immediately And she your producer. Yes yeah yeah. That's funny. My wife my producer. She's still my producing my life since got married. Yeah probably before that. Yeah that's fantastic. So you moved. Why'd you move? What'd you guys? Move Down to San Diego. I you know my hometown you know. I think we We were both looking for. You're a city where we could Both be happy in and hang out together you know and and be together and and She actually had the job. Bob and I basically said to her. You know UGO MALFA figured out ended up figuring it out Fox five brought me in and All the management management. They're like cannot say enough good things about them. Yeah and You know worked there. You know they they really set me up you know For Success US you know and and and so grateful that they gave me the job so I could feel comfortable. You know moving to San Diego could have done it like would have been scary. We were you know Obviously not married at the time. Didn't have kids at the time so I could have moved down here with no job. Just wouldn't have been comfortable. You know what I mean. It's always it's it's always good to have cash. You both got hired at Fox five She was working at another. Oh you got it. So how many different stations in San Diego enjoy for just that one yeah But in in all how many different stations so palm springs Sacramento the sort of in the three Soda Palm Springs Sacramento Sacramento and Fox any differences. In how those stations were run Yes you know some want the you kind of this mentality of like the kind of do your own kind of thing you know that's Like not a new phenomenon. Now now I used I used to call like a new phenomenon. It's like you know since the beginning of your own. What do you mean like shoot? Yep Edit a report you you know all those types of things I think tweet pose Lago. Yeah blog to my forgetting now growing and so you know 'cause reporters who were reporters orders in like the golden era. We'll tell you now like I don't think you're Manera. Yeah they get like that day is gone. You know because you know. Now it's it's it's even if even if you have Taga for which is which I feel as the way to go even if you have a photographer there is that aspect of the digital presence. Kahar you do you have fifteen thousand followers direct Can you help us promote. Do you have an audience On Your own. So it's It's it's a different thing. I remember like I getting on twitter. Yeah I'm like what is this thing you know what I mean. Why do I need to be on this thing and then I start seeing like okay? If I'm I'm on a live scene and there is a standoff happening in a neighborhood I'm like Oh my God I just gained like one hundred dollars right now you know And and you find that other people with huge followings or re tweeting you sharing all of your stuff okay you know. We've we've found a guy there's a guy there he's doing you know he's he's live tweeting. What's happening you know? So it's It's it's interesting discovering all that and being part of all all that because I served reporting in in two thousand and seven yeah economy was like on a downward spiral. Yeah that's that's when I opened up your business so that's when it was like so you know and and you know the social media thing like there wasn't a social media person dedicated for TV station in everybody was. It's Kinda like figuring it out. I mean that's that's actually it's crazy to think about because two thousand seven when the first iphone came out and I remember a lot it when I remember when it came out you know at the time we were friends with Lou. Bush used to play for the chargers. He was opening up a barbecue restaurant the same time we were opening up Kelly Comfort. Yeah and he was is all about the IPHONE. I'll and I kept telling Lou Bush so he was a linebacker hotel radio but my brother and him went to culinary school together and became. I'm friends 'CAUSE WE'RE OPENING UP businesses at the same time. But he was so excited about this iphone. An might be not GonNa do it not going to do it and fast forward four years after I got my I found. I haven't I haven't looked back but what's happened from two thousand and seven when that came out to where we are now in twenty nineteen and you're talking about having a social presence present at a news station Yes to a restaurant that now we have a video crew blue entertainment blue vision entertainment. That's here helping us. Produce this in San Diego sports arena. Stronger arena yeah. There's a lot of things that are changing at a rapid rate totally and the people that are going to win are going joined the ones that are they know that you don't have to be the expert. Yeah but you have to be willing to try different things. Sure you know and I think You know one of the things that's been great for us as a small business. I mean if it wasn't for the Internet and if it wasn't for digital if it wasn't for our willingness to be on facebook twitter and instagram and I do email marketing we wouldn't open like I'm definitely in that and I'm confident with this podcast that I wanna keep having these conversations with people from all all different backgrounds that are doing things that we admire but that also have different perspective. Depth perspective went from the news media world world to the sports entertainment world. Yeah I see both of those together. Now what do you how do you feel I agree I think you know part of it is I brought brought the newsroom. Here you know. And and that's what I talked with. A lot of people about us is creating your own story and thinking about it a little bit you know as a news reporter order maybe would you know and how to. How do we tell our story thankfully you know? This building has a tremendous rich history. It's more than fifty years sold. You've had some incredible artists and incredible. Just you know sports happening here. I know this this is the thing you know what I mean so you. Have you know some of the biggest things in sports entertainment that I've ever happened. We have fantastic. You Know Video Joe Photo Archive to kind of play off of so these are the types of things like okay like how can we tell our story like you know beyond all the shows that we have coming up currently only because we have plenty of content related to that and we push it out because we we have tickets to sell But we also have this other side where we can also tell our story you know and so really trying to hone in on the content that really caters to that. So you know on our website. We have This Day in history so we have your job. Is your technical jobs. Marketing Manager Pechanga reinsure which means digital which means everything which means everything but the more that the tune brace that every ending the more that you find those opportunities or totally the website. Is You know a a a keen example. Is You have to drive ticket sales through the website but you also have to educate people that are coming in with us as a family. Yeah coming to the goals hockey. I I need to know. Can My stroller fit yet. As clear security absolutely does it have have to stay in the car because those are things that know how to death until I had a family yes and came to season ticket holder. You know but those are all important things that are not technically part of marketing. Yeah but it needs to be on the website yet yes absolutely and you know part of that too is sometimes. You're not on the website you know so like with this day in history three and you know some of those other details. Sometimes we can do that on social because I know that much more than going to our website you know people are reaching out to who us on our social channels so we do things on our social talking about like. Hey we have this thing our website this day in history but it Kinda comes alive on social channels where I'm able to show. Hey you know. Here's a photo of Aerosmith from you. Know their daycare in the seventies. And remember my parents telling me about that show and and more so than that. I get a lot more people who comment you know I was there. Yeah that's the funniest that's the best. Yeah I was there I mean. That's I mean that's the essence so of what entertainment is and well you know for US hospitality as you want to create a memorable moment toting on especially when you're doing something at this scale well Because we try to. I mean it's funny because now that I think about it we run. We've always run our restaurant as as a mini arena as much as much as where you know. Oh a barbecue restaurant and we do breakfast and we all these incredible things but we're always trying to figure out. How do we get? How do we host something exciting? That people that we can promote promote people would want to come in for so whether it's fight night whether it's wwe whether it's sports whether it's NFL Sunday we're GONNA figure out a way to make something exciting for people to come in and that's what you guys do shows right. You guys have to book shows if there's no one in here in this arena plain. Nobody's here. There's no business. Yeah why win. When did you decide you wanted to get involved here I really started gravitating towards live. Entertainment I ah after leaving TV you left. TV BEF- Yes. Yeah why did you leave. I still can't pinpoint an answer I enjoy television. I love the producing of it Now that I'm on the outside can like prison talk Eh. Now that I'm on the outside you know I I really enjoy a sort of the the flexibility city. You know I really enjoy that You know we can Just I don't know corporate life dude. It's leg it's it's it's a little bit it's different than reporting You know I have the flexibility to reporting riyan caller. Did you have a schedule well. L. It's a little bit lake. Are you an independent contractor. You're GONNA have no. I mean you're an employee and like when you're there you're working scheduled to work. Yes but you're not on call your no never on call. Yeah I definitely have like my schedule. You know what I mean like you you it was. It was either weekdays or weekend yes a lot out of that. You know what I mean so so those are some of the things that you can you kind of like. I work weekends here but you know if I work a Saturday. I probably don't come in on Monday. Yeah you know Those are the types of flexibility. You don't have in reporting. I can work from my phone. Yeah you know. Most of your work is from your most most of the digital most. Most of everything you do on your phone and your desk and these are things where reporting it really was like. It's like this thing like you really need to be there. You know at the stage of your had to be at the station on the scene these types of things you know It's just when you get out of it. It's just like things open up. You know what I mean like you just your life becomes so much more open you know and and I'm here plenty not please yell at you. Bet A lot in this business still here. You know working. Yeah but still though so I mean I have the flexibility to work where I need you know And you know a lot of times it's here you know But other times it's like at Kelly Comfort now now and I'm bringing an event to you guys were promoting WWe Grenell and it kind of opens up the world a little bit. You know when you like. Stop thinking in the sense sense of like okay like this is my like this. My justice might deal. You know what I mean like you know so it's interesting. I don't really know how to answer it. You know what I mean. Unlike Y Y ended up. Did you see the job post or were you approached. How did how did you meet? Ernie when I got I got connected with Folks Down The hall at Ag Presents Goldenvoice. So there the promoter side of all of this so they they bring the artists here The booking side of the booking side not will not necessarily the booking site. They they They are essentially essentially the ones who bring bring artist here He works with hedge. Yeah Hitch Artis yes. This is the venue. Yes that will will bring you here. Yeah so I was connected with them And they were kind of the ones that kind of got me thinking about eighty g you know and kind of found out that they they operate this building. PECHANGA ARENA San Diego So applied for a position that I I saw open and Had heard through many different folks about Ernie and how he operates and all of its true. He's fantastic you know so so great to work for. You can't become San Diego legend. If you don't back up what you say oh dude he is like one one hundred percent whatever somebody sells you about him like buy it years. Yeah he's just that genuine you know I mean the. After the first meeting I had with him and Ari Segal when we were talking about coming here and selling barbecue at you know at that. Time Valley View Casino Center But for me it's always San Diego sports arena. I mean that's yeah that's what I grew up as quartering naming rights. That's a whole new. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah we get the rent. It needs to happen free. I go on yeah I mean I think you know part of the Vision two was the re birth of the arena. You know was right before the fiftieth anniversary and it was. How do we incorporate we're talking about a lot of these vintage events that happened and how we put wallpaper total inside and make a living museum? Yeah that's what I told learning like you know I. I can't tell you how impressed I am. As some of the you know love San Diego and grew San Diego and to have the pride to go in and see all this. Because I'm learning as I'm I'm walking around the concourse and that's something that's really cool because it's an old building I know general building but there's still things that have been done like the Stella Artois the Ip Lounge. It's incredible credible. took place to go when you're watching the hockey game the goal. Yeah it's it's it's really cool and you know and like you were talking about the wall wraps I mean that's one thing of you know making this building relevant you know and kind of showing as you're walking around. I mean you really see cool stuff like Elton John. Rock the West East tour. You know you see the Ali Norton invite you know and then our stands right across from the. Oh yeah a lot of pride and yeah and the guy. That's that means a lot to us us. You know it's cool on you know and then there's also some of the more current shows because we also do that as well. I mean it just Taylor. Carrie underwood you name it. Garth Brooks sucks sold out another thank you. You're doing the job but I mean the that was the so there was no cell for Ernie. Ernie didn't have to sell what was happening. Because I knew yeah happening. Yeah I just didn't know to what extent it would be. Yeah and you know as a person that don't we own one restaurant us how it's crazy to think. Oh well how can we actually get into a stadium. Yeah why would someone even come out to approach us once you remove those fears. Just go and have the meeting. You figure it out you in either works or doesn't work. I think that's one of the coolest things that's happening with. Sports entertainment is that they're starting to understand that the fans want a deeper experience experience and so they're bringing in restaurant partners. Yeah that are helping them. Share head coach Park has all these incredible though. jahns yeah and people go and they talk more about the Restaurants Breweries Petco and you guys have done the same thing here. Yeah Ernie's work really hard to get partners that are buying into that you know that kind of vision and Ernie's sense such a fantastic the job because as you walk around the concourse you definitely see all that you know the local favorites so I think I think all of that was a success for sure so tell me about specifically the digital side of your job and the opportunities that you see in kind of the challenges that you have with different artists coming in because a lot of that. You want to have collaboration with artist. Because this is the venue Some of the artists run their own social. Some of them have a team Whether that's the manager injure or whether it's an agency so there's a lot of different things what what's been the most successful. I guess campaign that you guys have ran or whenever they skew younger earlier you know it always. It always helps you know on July four On instagram ED state medium primarily focused on instagram for storytelling. And you know getting information about the show out And I'm talking day. I've show. facebook really still sells tickets for us. You know sponsored posts or just facebook organic and sponsored Judah so like you know when you were talking about like what my responsibility is really differs like per show you know sometimes. Sometimes I'm just a budget different or is the budget. The same is an annual budget that's allocated throughout the shows so it would be for us Per show basis would have. I liked their own little Bucket sometimes I have access to the bucket. Sometimes I don't get creative. Yeah Yeah and sometimes I'm kind of you know working working on our Ganic content because I know somebody else's handling the bucket of money And then other times we have Promoters who come into to the building that that need That need us to manage that for them. which were which were more than happy to do? You know so we have all the capabilities but My my desk I oversee the social and that includes organic and paid mum. And like you're saying in sometimes The artists has content to collaborate with and and Were getting access to that And indefinitely makes exp makes your job easier. You know I mean there's it it's no secret that the athlete the artist The person that's on if they have a following and they get it. Yeah I say get it meaning like they understand the game. That's going on. Yeah it makes your job easier but it also helps exponentially the arena. Venue the fans. Because that's what that engagement is. Yeah I mean the stuff that Lady Gaga does her social team the same with Taylor Swift. Yeah I mean they have these followings. Yeah because they're not treating these as corporates spots that I'm just going there finding out. What San Diego totally? I'm going to speak to the people of San Diego because fans that are paying for the experience. Yeah yeah that's why Massey's Matt Mount Mount Big Fall Right. It's insane and I have no clue what those teams look like to be. Honest that the they've got to be big. You know. I mean that's the craziest. The more that people invest in digital the more they see that return the talking about the marketing budget. Yeah money yeah I mean that's something that all business has to look. Yeah we have to look and go to different departments apartments and start talking about these storytelling. How do we get our name? Online product online at we do online. How's that going to get Out there how's IT GONNA get allocated in a strategic way that makes sense sure that everyone's not just throwing darts in different rooms. Yeah you know what I mean. Yeah and now for us to you know my the biggest accomplishment of late has been this pixel like this thing has been a like a thorn in my side for ever. Because I'm not truly convinced that everybody is doing it correctly. You know it hang the pixel the pixel follows you like a piece of sticky code that follows the somebody who click on an ad and so for US super important because at the end of the purchase. I WanNa know like how much did did I make off this Ad. I spend. Sometimes I only have four hundred dollars to put behind an ad you know. Sometimes we've got three thousand dollars you know sometimes. Sometimes we've got more you know and I want to see you know okay like that's fantastic. I got two hundred clicks on something today but did anybody buy anything cornell so that was where we stopped you know and now there are capabilities you know if if if working correctly and it was not working correctly for so along you know what I mean and I'm like I'm trying to diagnose it myself And then finally you know I mean you know. Learn everything online and these types of youtube you to learn everything yeah correct you know and then finally kind of getting you know from another source somebody who did have it correct A good friend within the network network you know kind of found the template you know so you know without a program not. I'm not sure it would have been able to do it myself. But I mean that's that's the Best S. part of the world that we live in is that were. There's so much technology that's changed so fast. Yeah you don't WanNa it looks stupid. Yeah I don't WanNa look stupid. Yeah when I when we were redoing our website we initially. I had one of my best friend's father did our website. Yeah and I wanted AH updated because I wanted to promote the upcoming fight Scher so I sent him an email and he tried to. You know he updated. It wasn't didn't have the terms that we wanted. I sure entrance in twenty one up so I had emailed back. Yeah that's time search engine optimization yellow people that are searching where do I watched the fighting. I'm losing all that time. Yes you know so but I had to get over myself and be like I don't have an it background yes totally. Took one of my best friends. I in Harris Harris same. Did I'M GONNA put on a platform wordpress and I'm GONNA teach you how to do it yourself. Yeah me and my brother and they sat me down and I still don't know how to do it but I know how to do it. Just well enough enough yet to know that it's very important. Yeah and it's very important that our website is mobile friendly. Yeah sure because I look at the Google analytics and I looked at the report of how many the people are coming to the website Since I've been looking at the report for the last ten years the the mobile numbers just It just keeps growing growing and growing it. Is You know. Because that's I guess. What words that you know when my wife and I go out? Yeah that's where we look into some new place hard to think about time before that too. It's very now career like as you were talking about the first iphone. I'm thinking like I remember buying the first iphone and having a computer like out in the field that computer having a computer you know what I mean Kaz it before like you know blessing and a curse like sometimes it's like you know you just didn't have it you know what I mean. Like blissfully blissfully ignorant Grenell was leaked. And now it's like you know you have all the technology and all the information and although yes so you better be on it. You know you'd it better be on it but you also I mean that's everyone has everyone has it yet. That's so that's where all the opportunity. Yeah that's where the opportunity is for you know a a partner totally of the arena to say. Hey well there's an upcoming garth brooks show. Yeah you know how. How can we coordinate a social? Yeah what can we do together gather demo. WWe sure yet gone out of your way to give us promotions. Yes bring your team out to give do ticket giveaway where we announced it on facebook. Yeah on on instagram twitter to wwe community and you know until we started doing those yet. We really as a sports entertainment. We didn't focus Sunday. It was the first time that we held a pay per view. WWe event was Ronda. Rousey and fund raise. Yeah it is unbelievable. They're so unwrapped streaming streaming it. Yeah yes streaming. WWF off of their channel. They were great partners. You guys were great. Partner created a unique event than we still to the state of new APP customers from that event. Yeah that's one arena. Show the next. WWF totally you know which is cool. Yeah and that's something that I think is needs to continue to you know And it was fun I remember you know We just did like fun like we had the DJ. Yep I loved the security guard was guarding over the tickets. At one point you know we had the you know the wwe does this money in the bank. We had money in the bank lunchbox. I I think we had the comex security guard just like standing there watching over everything. We had the patio packed. Yes which was like a Tuesday or a Monday incresed which is another reason. Why for restaurant owners and bar owners were always trying to figure out? Ways to increase sales when sales are slow Having an event that's already a scheduled event. Yeah that's as big as the wwe tapping into a basis. Maybe never been to your place. Yeah and it's huge. Yeah you know. Maybe they'll appreciate appreciate that. Maybe they'll come in the in a month for someone's birthday yeah just because you're a WW fight. That's that's how they found out about you and then now to you know whenever we announced. WWE W. E. Part of our standard script is like. How do we get Kelly Comfort Barbecue involved? Do you know what I mean. And it's so fun because I send stuff to you you're receptive you know what I mean. That's another thing too. I think separates you though you're receptive to step digitally recept. Yeah because we know that opportunities are fleeting. Yeah I think that's why I love of twitter as much as I do is because you can hear somebody on new on the news you can hear somebody on local radio talk about something and Scott Kaplan whose mighty ten ninety who is no longer on the air but he's doing a digital he can say something and if it's something that Kelly Comfort can offer I don't even have to have a formal sponsorship agreement with them. I can just tweet at him. Hey you know we can bring you pirates you. Yeah Yeah. That's then we go and bring 'em Barbie out and then now we've tapped into his audience. Dan Yeah and those are things that in the world that we live in. It's it's just it's amazing because an artist could ask for something. Hey where should I go out to eat. I'm in San Diego uh-huh and if you're receptive and you have people that support you they might say it's called- conflict. Yeah totally Tell me about the special special art. Do if you're watching on Youtube We've got some incredible art behind us. That is I like I like the special touch that it is. Why didn't have taught him? Yes so this is This is a program you know another you know. Ernie Hahn program that he started in this Is One artist Mel Marcello who is on it. I probably have an email all right now of another incredible poster that that I've been hanging out for and For every artist that comes in we do this commemorative poster poster artists so every artist hooting comedians. Yes yes absolutely And it has has become this thing. It's taken on a life of its own like artists who come here you know. They are walking around. They're seeing that. We have a ton of these. He's backstage as well. They're walking around. They're seeing these incredible posters our work. It's unlike anything else. Mel Does tremendous research to try to figure out what people are into. You kind of takes people. Maybe you know over the years you know. Those are some of the things things that they're into. Currently you know I mean who knew you know sometimes'll the thing is that even the artist is like well very it's it's it's a thank you note from the arena towed from Ernie. Yeah from your group that says thank you in a way that is. It's so personal and because totally Eric in the dedication that he does and it's presented because think about how many tours these people go on and think about that these people I mean this. I love the way Ernie explains that these are people who literally have have everything everything what can what can swag bag could you possibly know Taco my love. She has everything my dad he has everything. What do I get him? These these people literally I mean have everything. Yeah and this is something. I didn't have everything. This is something that goes so above. And beyond. Because it's it goes into the heart of who the positivity and that's that research yet does artist and Expresses Indiana way. That's like this is a memorable moment. That yeah that artist is is always gonNA remember. Yeah oh I five hundred shows but yeah look at the one. I didn't say totally. Yeah and we find that You know artist you know talk about framing in this in their Studios these types of things Ronda Rousey with somebody who is super receptive You know had already had a poster. We saw Her comeback with wwe. She was like on cloud nine that she was featured in this thing shared it on all of her social platforms This has become kind of its own thing. You know where new artists walk around seeing the posters and whenever we meet them give them the poster. They're looking at us with such appreciate appreciation. They say the my favorite is when I I was wondering if I was going to get one of these two inadequacy of court because you become immortalized. Yeah absolutely he come a piece of and you become part of history. History of the Duke played in the same replace. The Ali got knocked out yet. I mean that's you know John Wins last championship. Yes here in sports re Asher and they see their friends to do you know what I mean like the the current artists. You know e- even take it to you know where we are now and they're kind of looking around like okay like I'm in the the company of these incredible artists you know and You know artists who've come back come to expect you know You know what is my poster her like today you know The new tour. It's a new tour you know. And and it's new art new new research We get the poster shared on artists. Instagram I mean this is like you know. Thirteen million followers where these posters are getting you know getting shared. Yeah and and there they are they are a gift. I mean there are true gift These are not for sale These are intended did to commemorate the event It's it's intended to think the artist for coming here and in really it's not it's not about that you know monetization of of this of this and it's and it's physical and he's not white socio yes they can share it but it's it's more it's more than yeah you know and like that's part of the thing that we love is being restaurant on the combination of the digital world in the physical world. We create an experience. Sure in the restaurant within the four walls but also here in the arena on CNN has report nachos there has to be that interaction interaction. That makes it memorable as if you've got to have a feeling behind it and then this gives that feeling sure to the earnest risk absolutely. That's something that's really cool. Yeah I love for you to tell us just a little bit about You came out to the restaurant we were talking about The conference that you went to Guess Add yes kind of the strategies behind social that Are Kinda hot right now. I loved like the meeting of the minds and we all kind of came together in. La and I did kind of pull away. Some you know some different tactics than it was in talking with people from various different from properties and I mean these are things that I didn't think about but are logical. You know and you're like why didn't I think of that. You know well And of course ideas that who knows where they came from. Everybody's sharing you know ideas that are kind of already kind of out there and You know one thing that I kind of walked away with. Was this voice. You know that that is there a way that in your absence Somebody can post content to wear the user sees this this one entity this this one character so you know for for your brand you know it may be you may be your voice but when somebody steps in how can that Person Channel Your Voice. You know Flooding multiple supplant on multiple platforms again. I keep coming back to like in your absence. How can somebody carry that voice on And and then even beyond that. It's like putting pen to paper. Like maybe the voice isn't the owner of the company. Mia Somebody has brand. Where maybe that doesn't work you know but maybe Our voice needs to be like thirty four year old female who watches TLC. And let's moralize that you know. Let's put pen to paper. Let's say what our voice is. And how can all of us you know channel that you know. How can we be let? Maybe our brand is twenty eight year old male. You know who you know frequent sequence in a sporting events. How can I channel that and make sure that all of us are thinking along those lines when we post our copy and then how can we research a little little bit like how do they talk? You know You know come to find out the only right like one word and a period like it couldn't be most Experience are interesting down because more people need to be involved on social. Yeah because if you're not involved on social venue you don't know where that opportunity is sure you don't need to be an expert. Nobody's an expert a man did. I'm terrified when anyone tells me they're expert on inst- instagram linked picked an extra okay. You're not yeah like didn't changes your irrelevant. Yeah you need to be an all time learner. Yes you'd have to always be learning and no like there's multiple people that are doing incredible things. How are they doing those things? It doesn't have to be in your industry. Yeah I think that's the you know the most exciting citing thing about for us doing this podcast as Barbecue restaurant. We've never really stayed in our lane can tell we. Don't ask permission to go to other lanes we do whatever the fuck we wanted to and then we will apologize if we need to. But we're confident in knowing that we we believe that we should be there and we should get involved. Oh yeah you know if our curiosity leads us to want to get involved then we should go and do that and if we are going to do that we should do one hundred percent. Yeah you know so if we're going to be a partner with the goals we're going to be all in. Yes not just a sponsor on paper that says we need to have a live mention. You know during during the second period and we're gonNA give a give away to the fans after the game. No my wife my son my daughter. Now we're going to be at the game We're GONNA be there and when my catering team comes it's going to be our ablest catering and we're going to treat it like this is our super bowl Those are the binds that you have to get where things can become. Exponential can start getting opportunities and I have a lot with Kelly Comfort to so many different touch points out set of you and I knowing each other hand to God dude like i. I went at Fox five. Oh we love foxfire barbecue okay. Like who is Kelly Comfort for. You know what I'm thinking like okay and then you know the thought drifts and then it's Christmas time and I get a you know a gift bag you know from Fox five alley comforts in there are now and then you know what I mean and then I come here come to work at this arena and then you know callie comforts you know on the concourse and so they are. They were honest like Touch points that you know that I had with you guys before. I even came to really know you guys corral which I think is so cool. You know I mean that's the thing that we love to do. The most is that it's allowed us the opportunity to develop those relationships. Yeah you know if we didn't have this relationship with Ernie Rena and Ari bringing us into the goals and then Matt Savant taking over as a resident of Matt was the one that invited Kelly Comfort to San Antonio my wife to San Antonio and a partner Trip paid eight four by the goals. so-called three partners that were there were Calicoes Credit Union Fox Five Yeah and Kelly Comfort. Yeah maybe one of those one of those belong guests knowing we were GONNA go. Yeah we're going to have to clock in great. Well that's where we met. Scott Heath President of Fox vises. He had him on behind the smoke. And it's just it's given us opportunity if you do things in life where you are all in yet your best. Yeah what's the worst that's going can happen. Yeah but if you fail okay. Yeah but at least you're doing something that you love to do for us. We Love Sports. We Love Entertainment. We love getting involved in a way that it's not it just are four wheel because it forces us to learn grow yeah Do you come for the shows. Do you like the show. I love the show. Being this is the first you have ever been to Disney on ice. Okay Ernie was so nice to let us come to that but I brought my kid for like five seconds. She's used to young and old. Is your son well. He's sixteen months. Now Yeah But I think we try just because the tickets are there. Yeah you know what I mean. So we got hell. Yeah okay so we go and yet it's It's just he he needed. I think he he needed a little bit more maturing before he kind of like got the the spectacle of it all That will bring him back when he is a little bit older. But yeah the that's what's so cool about this place all the entertainment. There's the family entertainment you know. Everybody loves dizziness. They've been here forever wherever you know. There's the sports and then you know they're the show absolutely and You know it's just I mean my wife one is my life and I came to Enrica Rica. Glaciers bowl. Such good show which was just been to Utah just a few range of different artists yet. The show that they put on Him we still talk about to this. Day is just unbelievable. Yeah many was. It was unbelievable yet here and man in the now. It's all about the PYRO and that you know is it just becomes it becomes uh-huh you know just a huge production and you know takes it to the next level so fun so if people if our listeners want to reach out to you personally finally I know you're on twitter s Chris at Chris Underscore Bill B. i. e. l. e. and then for everything related to the arena. Yes just pechanga Arena San Diego and a search us out most of us We ended up with Pechanga arena. SD ON INSTAGRAM and twitter. And then Pechanga during the San Diego on On facebook and and would love to stay connected with people in that way as well the asam. We can't thank you enough for the time as able to record a POV episode Levin With you today on your show. And we got some behind the scenes footage with blue vision And for us us. We're just so excited about this podcast continuing to tell the story if people doing cool shit yeah Because Twenty nineteen. You know if we don't embrace digital well now it's going to happen. Yeah like I don't Wanna I don't WanNa be toys R.. US WanNa be blocked on my God please like the fact. I can't take my son to toys R.. US I mean. I know there's a rebirth kind of that might be. How is there? So supposedly allegedly but Yeah you have to have a presence yes you have to have a presence in the pocket. We'll like I'm stoked even asked me because like most of my thought is like okay. Like what the fuck you WanNa know about. You WanNa talk to do because you know you're talking about and then you're asking me I don't know I'm talking to you. Will I mean that's the I mean that's why we don't behind the smoke of encourage so many people no matter where they live. No matter where you listen to this podcast podcasting forces you to be a reporter in the way that you were. Yeah but it's not a reporter where someone's telling me. Hey Go. Do this go covered this. I go cover what I want so cool and I wanNA cover things that if I think it's relevant I hope that some other restaurant owners some other bar owner somebody. That doesn't know what they WANNA do yet. Hey maybe they think think sports entertainment something that I want to do only wore. Maybe I want to get involved in hospitality. There's so much going on with video with audio podcast production that you can follow your dream and you can start doing things. Where were I mean we? We've served barbecue to Antonio Gates Hall of fame. Type is so cool like if you told me that When I was in high school I'd say that's crazy? Isn't that like I'm San Diego Guy. Why Am I? Why am I serving barbecue to you know but we got paid to do it? Yeah I know and for us. We're we're just really excited about Patong arena which you guys have on the calendar excited for goal season excited for the seals Yep Seals are new LACROSSE team year. Two and The soccer's also hopefully landon. Donovan comes back. I don't know what's happening with that. But you've got football too football to threat all the shows. It's just being twenty twenty as well so awesome. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it. We can't wait to see you in the arena thank you brother about all at Pechanga ARENA SD on social media and book tickets to one of their upcoming shows at Pechanga arena. SD DOT COM. We sure to check out author Youtube page for the behind the scenes point of view interview that I did with Chris. Beal let us know what you think. 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How to Customize the Guest Experience featuring Chans Rock of the Carte Hotel (DH 004)
"How do you set yourself apart as a hotel brand in a crowded market? Everybody's fighting for dollars. So how do you get guest to spend it with you on this episode find out. How a large brand like Hilton is differentiating? Its properties by planting roots in the community and giving guests and experienced that they remember unsawn wall chef. And you're listening to digital hospitality. podcast where we help. Business owners develop a mobile the first Internet strategy by sharing stories of innovative brands and personalities who are outranking the competition search results learn about the inner workings of the Hilton Hilton Curio collection property and learn how a huge hospitality brand like Hilton is engineering memorable moments online and in person with their guests. It's we appreciate crow. PR FOR SETTING UP. This incredible podcast very rarely. Do you get to see behind the curtains of food and beverage operation with three different restaurant properties. Every week. It is our job to bring you compelling guests that will add value to your business. Our job is to give you a seat at the table. Thank you for taking the time to listen to the podcast and as a small appreciation token at the end of the podcast. We will ask you a trivia question based off of the content that we discussed make sure to e mail podcast Kelly. BBQ Dot media for your chance. Nice to win a digital hospitality mug follow cartel hotel on social media at Carter Hotel and learn more about their business at cartel hotel dot com. Tom Where have you seen digital hospitality and action. Share your stories and photos with us on social media by using the Hashtag digital hospitality and tagging. APP tally. BBQ and remember. We can't tag you online. We can't pimp you. Welcome to digital hospitality. I'm your host Sean. Walsh and this is Kelly. BBQ Media Production and today we are here at the Cartier Hotel Hotel in the heart of little Italy. San Diego with Chan's rock director of food and beverage Welcome to show to morning. Thank you for having me. It's an absolute honor to be here at a brand new incredible beautiful property that just opened here pleasure ago. Thank you thank you Thank you for coming on. So how does one become the director of food and beverage at such an exclusive property. Something that the Hilton. They've come up with this curio. Oh collection so this curio collection is kind of a lifestyle new brand that they wanna come and give maybe a digital native somebody. That's it's looking for a little bit more exclusive vacation Now something where. You're kind of looking for something that maybe when and I come in I mean this is a digital hospitality. PODCASTS or things that we'd like to talk about is how do we in the hospitality world incorporate things like search into. Where do I wanNA stay when I go with my wife and my kids? We're GONNA WANNA go somewhere where there's WIFI absolutely. Let's talk. Tell us a little bit about that so to answer your first question My background and how I got to the cartel was a little bit I have Tremendous background with Marriott and Hilton tonight. worked in big boxes but About ten years ago I decided that Luxury and lifestyle is going to be the new direction of hotels and so I started to work work for independent hotel companies. I worked at the London and West Hollywood and then I went up to Napa Valley and opened a couple of hotels up there so most recently. It's been all about the individualized lies guests experience. And that's really what's led hotels into the whole luxury and lifestyle brand is how do we customize what the guests is looking for. You know back when I started in in the hotel bus would show up or the tour bus would show up. One hundred people would get off the tour bus and they would all go eat in your outlets or they would all do one thing that's changed because of technology and digital media and things like that now the bus still pulls up but you have one hundred people going one hundred different directions. And that's all been spurned earned by the need for digital technology and things like that and so the way that it that we embrace it here at the car tape is using it from really the moment that the guests uses the reservation so Hilton is very big. And making sure that we do direct bookings and we as a hotel and we as a as a brand can reach out to you and talk to you about all the things that we have to offer in the hotel instead of letting booking dot com expedia do that for us and so again it really starts with the process of booking the hotel you can use your you can use your hill honors ap to get on you can get your digital key. You can look at the ratings for the hotels you can choose your rooms. You can do all of those things now. That five years ago you really couldn't. She had to walk into the hotel. Sure you had your your reservation but You really had to talk to them about your preferences you kind of had to go see the room what it looked like you had to get What what was the view? You're we're looking for. It was really a one on one experience whereas now at digital technology you can get online. You look at the hotel. You can look at the reviews whether that's yelp whether that's Hilton. Whatever form you're using you can then pick your room? You can look at your room online. See the views that you're going to have a lot of a lot of Hotels including ours. We'll have three sixty digital technology so you can see the whole entire room you can see the view. You can see exactly what you're looking for before you get into the hotel room. Moreover you can use the same technologies analogies to your preferences. We're kind of beds. Do you like what kind of time. What time do you wake up? What T- what breakfast steel like to have? Do you like to have amenities where those amenities going doing. What when do you want those amenities so again to answer your question? The digital technology revolution has really been able to allow us to reach the guests in a way that we haven't even before without having a person called him on the phone and ask all of these questions right. All you need to do is get online. Your APP is GonNa ask all the questions for you. It's not intrusive you're gonNa tell us everything that you need. You're going to book your room soon as you come here. You'RE GONNA get your digital key which allows you to skip the front desk and go to the room once you walk into the room. That television is going to be interactive. Give where it's going to tell you what's going on in the hotel. How are you going to order room service when you do order room service? What are the preferences do you like? Do you want to room service to come in the morning. Do you want to come in the afternoon. So it's really been about embracing different APPS different technologies different booking agents for the hotels to enhance the guest experience. So I really appreciate you laying out like that. I mean that's literally why we started this podcast and it's it's so crucial in twenty nineteen and moving forward that People start to understand that. It's not about an invasion of privacy. It's about how do I customize that experience you know me as a single unit restaurant the owner. We tried to do that on a small scale but then to come and see that Hilton. The leading global hospitality leader is starting to incorporate that That's really exciting because then it allows you to build a hotel like this where you're building it. Not just based off of this worked. Maybe a New York. Let's go and open it in San Diego and see if it works. No you actually can pull from data that you have from other properties here and you can actually figure out. Hey this is what the customers looking for your absences. What this is what the traveler wants? That's right Cartel means passport. Yes yeah so I mean this is literally a place I mean. I know I know how important this is as a property. why was it important for you to We applied or were you tap for this position A little bit of both so. I worked for interstate I Love San Diego. Spent a lot of time here so I I have a feel for not only what the guests are looking for the overall city and what it can offer so it's pretty easy to market San Diego it really. It really isn't and as we embrace the technology you know. That's what we really do. Do is utilize. Let's work smarter not harder and I think that most of us adapted to the technology and especially Technologies that help us reduce costs and things like that out of necessity. You know back in the day it was kind of a piece of paper then we went to the scheduling where we built it on excel and now all through necessity we really have schedulers. Hot schedule is our hotel effectiveness. That really help us do those. You guys use hot. Schedules We don't we have our own your own okay. Perfect which so. That's for all the restaurant properties. It is for the whole entire proper tire property. Load our schedules in it helps us understand. Business demands business trends. We can have our team members embers here when we need them here instead of guessing and trying to understand and again that all comes from the first step of when you get on to make a reservation right. All of that information gets sped into systems here at Hilton that allow us to track what the guests are trying to do again at the end of the day. It's about having a team members where they need to be when the guests are expecting there. It's about giving the guests. What they're looking for right price right price right place at the right time? Sure and so technology really allows us to do that because again to your point marketing we can market when as soon as you come into the hotel if you have a Hilton Honors Oppor. If you have an instagram account we can immediately start Geo Marketing wanting you and sending you updates and sending you live feeds about what's going on and then asking you. Hey you know if you're going to go to above ash in your in your in your hanging out there. Why don't you take us on your instagram? And oh by the way for doing that will give you a bottle. I'll give you a glass of perceptual or something. That's going to enhance your experience. Something that's going to let people know where you're at and that's really what we find line. People are looking for nowadays with facebook. And it's really about what am I doing. Where Am I? WHO's around me? And how can I connect with them. How can I bring them to where I'm at and have fun with those folks and so again your question was? How do we use it? We utilize in a million different ways. It seems like you know just just in terms of marketing to the guest cost effectiveness thus for our hotel and you know most people. Don't think well you know you're purchasing journal for your cost doesn't make sense to the guests. Well it really does. Because we're ordering and keeping on hand the things that the gas S. need and and at the end of the day that's really what it is you know guests have extraordinary wants. I guess in life and so for us to be able to understand what their before they get under the property again. Technology helps us do that without technology we would have to have somebody call and say you know. What are you looking for and two weeks? What's what's going to be your fancy and with technology we can we? We can do it. What in your opinion is the difference between customer service and hospitality customer services fulfilling what the guest is what you know their expectations hospitality is going above and beyond what that is? It's really identifying. What what the guests may be looking for that they don't realize yet for example We've had a number of people that have come into our hotel that try seafood because we're seeing the table. They don't necessarily like something like octopus. But you know they hear good feedback about it through technology. Maybe it's a yellow bat. Maybe it's on a piece done in eater magazine or something like that. They come in and try those things. So it broadens their horizons that allows awesome to step outside of the box which helps us because now we can have somebody that walks away from the hotel and says oh my gosh. I tried something new that I've never tried before. It was very intrusive assist. I was in my face. It was something that I could do on my own. I could choose whether I liked it or not. And that's really what we're looking for Churton. So tell me about the three different restaurants concepts that you have and how you came about how the cartel hotel came about keeping them distinct for this hotel and for this area so watercolors sita table at star three Meal restaurant for the most part it was really born from you. Know the San Diego Tuna fishermen people that are here the classrooms that are out there deep sea fishing all those types of things it was really a nod to San Diego the heritage pige US trying to connect with not only little Italy. Downtown San Diego has to offer so you know chef is really chefs. He's really done in a good job of making sure that we have Items that are not to Baja California. Still have a little bit of San Diego Flare Caesar Salad's things like that with his. So that's watercolors lots of different bright fun things Watercolors bar is in our lobby. It's it's it's it's an enormous piece it is meant to attract people it's meant want to stick out and the reason it is is for cocktail programs. Lots of again cool fun things. The lighthouse the black pearl just different cocktails with herbs but also lend something to San Diego and the fishing culture the see those types of things the embarcadero All of the things the San Diego has to offer then we have above ash which is above ashes. It's it's amazing it's a social club it is very much. It's indoor outdoor space. You'll see you'll get the shots shots of the view of the bay. Churn the the entrees up. There are lights of each as Kudos things like that. The chef again is made sure that keep it seafood. Definitely definitely of the seaborne of the sea but make it a little bit more fun make it a little bit easier to embrace of each kudos up there. So that's above that's above Ashen Russian. Infant Davino is where we're recording right. Now correct this will be our tasting room. Fon Davino will have a menu that the chef will change up. We'll do fun things. Things will obviously have cheese and secratary and different things that go with wine But the chef is really going to make a menu that you we can pair easily whether we're doing kings tables goes in here or whether working stables what's that king's table is A PDR private dining room kind of you know Beverage companies will launch. Let's say you don't crevasses. Elsa will launch the essence or something like that by a large contingent of folks. Whether that's you know restaurant tours such for hotel. You're such as myself they'll come down. We'll have dinner. It'll be very a nice dinner. It'll be intimate. They launched the product. They talk about it and then obviously the people that are interested in it from there go on and sell the products vary I end They're fun to do. And so the menu and here will be playful. It's going to be something to this. You can be creative and do different things. Based on what type of Clientele we have. Myspace told me about the wind program. The wine program is going to be built out in several facet. So we're very much interested in having from temecula. Obviously we're close to little Italy. It's a nod to Italy. Tumula has some of the greatest Italian Growing growing regions. That are here in California. So we definitely WanNa roll them and and we also have a VA Mexico. which is the Napa Valley of Mexico right now? Very very much on the map and coming up so We'd like to build a partnership with them and in allow them the opportunity to come here come here and showcase their wines. Also it's very important obviously Napa valley in sonoma's most everybody that comes to California's very much much interested in California wine. Sure so rolling. In some of the Boutique wineries up there like prisoner and some of those Italics and some of those places that don't have huge huge names but have wonderful wine and juice. We can have them. Come down here build a partnership. They can showcase their winds in here. They can pull people from San Diego. That aren't familiar. Build their wine wine club. And so it's very multifaceted you know. There's not one direction where you know. My ownership from my general manager is the chances what we want you to do. Really when we want to do is we. You want to sit down and collaborate what makes the most sense for San Diego. What makes the most sense for the cartel and obviously what makes the most sense for the guests? What are they looking for? Sure and so all of that comes together. We they put all that information together. We use technology to do that. Obviously and then we roll out the product that we think is going to be the the best. And so should you guys work with other Hilton Properties as within San Diego to see what they've done what's worked or you do networking with my Pearson. Counterparts is is big. We do it across the industry but any time that you're that you're launching something like a tasting room or or you know something of that nature you wanNA network. You WanNa find out from your peers. What's going on where they had success wherever they had challenges so that obviously we don't make the same sure that's the best part about being part of the Hilton World and interstate hotels for that matter because we have a a lot of tools and resources we can draw from and so that really is the expectation? Reach out to those folks that have done it before or have some experience and draw the knowledge from them. Do you have any mentors doors in your life. Somebody that taught you something that I do. You keep you keep with you idea to this day. I there's I had a general manager one one of my hotels in Utah. who was very very close to me? He's passed on since the but he instilled a lot of things in me. That really care carry with me today. Servant leadership is one of them setting the example. Making sure that you're on the floor and that you're not asking people to do things that you wouldn't do making sure that when you do something it's done correctly the first time and for a number of reasons obviously you don't want to have to go back but you know being the leader being the department head. People are always watching and guest watching you. You have team members watching you and so you know in stealing the integrity to make sure that everything's done correctly to make sure that you're always there listening to your team members making sure that you're giving the guess what they're asking for because at the end of the day the two things that make the most sense to us is the guests in the team members and if you take care of those two almost exactly clean the same then you're going to have a successful business at least in my experience. That's what that's what drove my success. Anyone sure I think there's a fine line too when you're talking about how do do you proved your team that you're willing to do something anything that needs to be done but also not always doing that and teaching them that those things need to get done even when you're not there. So how do you find the line between micromanaging and micromanaging. You make sure that you're always demonstrating so whenever you're talking to your team you make sure that you have the largest audience possible. You make sure that you clarify what you're talking about so when you're giving direction it's important to give the message but it's also important according to follow up with team members and make sure the message that you gave them was received in the way that you wanted it to be so I find that when we are giving lots of information we give the information and then I I try with my managers to go back individually to the team members and speak with them about what we've just talked about and in some cases if it has to do with technology say a microsystem or appointed pointing sales system will actually go back and have that person. Show us what we were talking about so again do tell tell show do review. Excuse me and that's the the most important thing talking to our staff about it following up with them having them demonstrate that they understand what it is and then making sure that the whole team can do it consistent and how many team members do we have a cartel. Take as a as a hotel OUTTA. We're seeing about one hundred and fifty. Wow Yeah and we'll grow obviously as the services grow and you know things expand or pool all our pool What we're trying to accomplish the pool in terms of activation and things like that With our partners and so we'll add again as we get busier. There's a saltwater pool it is yeah the only one in San San Diego so why saltwater poll. It's it's very much in tandem with Jim it's n- it's healthy for you. It's it's a lot better than chlorine. Obviously the salt and things like that or they helped the minerals in your body trade. Also Oh is a nod to the Koi lily pond at Balboa Park. That's why it's long. That's why it's long again. Everything in the in the Carter Hotel has a story behind. It was the designed absolutely was designed and thought of to inspire thinking people asking questions we want we want cartel heartache to be a hub really more than anything. We want people to come in use technology that we've been talking about today to experience the hotel firsthand and then when they get to the hotel having the team members here be able to expand show them even more technology and what they can do while while they're in the hotel and then obviously make it so it's comfortable for them to want to go out and explore. We want people to go explore San Diego in little Italy. It's all about our culture it's in our DNA where huge family here and make sense. The ownership group picked the little Italy for a reason. And that's the community around it and so we very much want to be a part of that and have our guests come experience the hotel experience little Italy and San Diego and then bring it back doc and basically hang out and talk you know. What did you what fun did you have out there? What what were you doing? What's going to bring you back? What was the thing that when you're on your airplane flying out of Lindbergh Eric Fill? That was like oh my gosh I got to go back to San Diego for this. And how can we be a part of that. I think one of those. That's so important in everything that we do. I mean we as much as we love digital. It's that physical connection that you have in. Its that memorable moment that you create and those are the things that always bring us back to a certain restaurant or to a certain bar order certain hotel. Those are the things that really become that memorable family moment that you always cherish you know and I think one of the things that I'm fascinated with this. How has the position of the concierge changed in the years? Since you started and to the world that we live in now because technically it's you know it's a virtual WHOA concierge. There needs to be somebody still. That's always that trusted person right so a couple of things here you know we've all been noticed. CONCIERGE will soon as you walk into the lobby. There right there Again it was more out of a need for a couple of different things empowering our team members so being able to give the front desk associates that are there the empowerment. Not only. What's going on in the hotel? But what's going on around the city also digital again. What we're talking about here digital had a huge impact on concierge on Sierra pretty soon we could take multiple things and combine them into one app one area that the guests can go to and we can track so to answer your question it was is in power and it was the use of technology that is refined the concierge? It's not gone away by any stretch of the imagine and if if anything else it's actually grown because of the things that we can use our digital platforms for it's really it's really transcended from. Can you make me reservations and you know my dry cleaning to. Hey where's the best bond San Diego to go oh scuba diving where his the best spot in TJ to go. Hang out and see whatever's going on down there so A lot of people think that it's gone away. It has it has really empowered Howard us has given us the opportunity to have other people experience. Different things in a hotel so that's great for development and then obviously incorporating the platforms. We all worked so hard it on you know in terms of technology making sure that we all have a going to the right place at the right time and then we have those folks that are in charge of it which are willing likely our front office folks. Sure making sure they understand what it is is that they can articulate the information. I mean I think that's one of the most important things that we try to teach to our staff at the restaurant is the technology an an enables them to be a guide and the more that they know the more the better experience that they can give to our guest right. You know so when somebody starts to embrace the fact that I'm not just here you know to bring bags up to the hotel room. I'm actually here to let them know that you know I live here that there's something gene incredible happening right down at the waterfront park that you can go take your kids. They're for free this weekend. You know those little bits of information could change. Someone's entire experience of San San Diego represent. You know in one of the things that you did talk about was that concierge your as as a hotel you're able to make partnerships with things that are happening in San Diego that possibly could give somebody stay at your hotel and advantage over somebody else. You know like once you I don't I'm sure you didn't have any any partnerships with Corbu but you know when those things happen in San Diego you're able to have access that other guests that are staying somewhere else might not have. You're absolutely right. You know ah I think. That's probably one of the most exciting things that is happening now. Yes I think again and when we talk about networking when we talk about using different platforms from my experience is what I see is You Know Success Breeds Success when folks see that you're using things different technology when they're see the networking when they see that your complementing them They're much more helpful. They're much more willing to support and actually go above and beyond. So that's what we've found being here in carts being here in little Italy being the cartel being digital leader making sure that we are trying to get out in the community and and endorse those things people really. They seem to gravitate towards and I agree. I mean success does breed success. And when you're thinking about it if you go online to a place that you're going to visit and let's say their facebook pages as an updated or their instagram. They haven't posted in ten days or they don't have a story like those things big. It's a big red flag for me and it's a big red flag for my wife. I mean we when we go and we're looking for daycares we went to Yelp to look for daycares and Yelp as you know that's our that's our as a restaurant owner like that's where we need to be the Bester daycares you wouldn't think but the daycare so we went to. They had up to date photos. They had up to date information. They had a link to their website. That was mobile friendly. I was easy to book a tour to go see. You know I wanna go see where my my son is going to be going to be taken care of. Those things are are crucial to success and crucial to success. Moving forward right. I think some of the fear that a lot of people have is that like we said earlier is that this technology is going to eliminate jobs win in fact I think it's actually going to create a lot more jobs ups. I think you're right. I think it will enhance enhance jobs as well. And so you know areas where people may have found challenges before I think it'll really open minds and open doors You know as long as we embrace it again you know I I was one of those folks. I remember doing schedule on paper with absolutely and I remember trance. I remember transitioning into to Excel and doing schedules on excel just thinking Oh my gosh you know what I mean. This is going to save me so much time. And then again the transition to what we're using now in terms of labor you know schedulers productivity in theater that is just another light year and so to your point. I think if you're not within the digital age if you're not keeping your facebook instagram and things like that up today day I think it is a huge red flag because people know the gravity and the importance of it. So if you're not even going to pay attention to those things. What are the chances when I get to the hotel? You're going to really pay attention engine to my little things you know often slip through the cracks if you're not on top of it and so you're absolutely right I think everybody For the most part lives on yelp these days. I think it's important. I think it's really an open forum for people to be able to tell you what's going on you know and that is important for us as much as it is for you. You know if you can get people on. They're saying amazing things about your restaurant. There's going to be more people that are going to say more. Amazing things about your restaurant is it's gonNA open everybody's eyes were conversely if there's people that are on their lights don't work working for a in the you know that there's no ironing board in the room who response to those Interning housekeeping engineering and housekeeping. Online they respond to those. Yeah so all right now as it as it comes on we have a system called hot sauce that will start to integrate okay. Hot Sauces is Hilton Proprietary Impropriety Hotel Hotel digital platform but it is used to to communicate inner department and you can actually have your gets a credible. It is really zero. Let's say for example. Another example of more jobs have been created absolutely and refining the job that we had a wreck before we had to have somebody walked the halls when they were looking for. You know light bulbs jobs out that literally. We have guests that can get on this platform and text doesn't say you have a label about on your floor. It's incredible and so we send the engineers we send the housekeepers where where it needs needs to go and so again. It's empowerment guest bills empowered. You know there's nothing better than the says. Hey you know my light bulbs out in my room spoken anybody. It was just a text message agent when I get back from whatever. They're doing the light bulbs fix. I can't tell you how how exciting that is to know that you guys are incorporating that because those are the things I mean that that's I essentially the essence of this podcast door dash for example is a delivery platform for restaurants and we love door dash. We've incorporated Pretty Jordache new restaurant because they give you play by play of where your food. Is You know as a restaurant owner. It's very hard to outsource something like your food and delivery because is you don't know what's going to happen to it but I do know that the guest is going to be communicated that we've confirmed the order. I got a text message or a notification from the APP. Your food has been now. Your driver driver has picked up your food. Now your food is so it's like I know that things are actually happening. And then that's that digital hospitality where I know that I didn't just send. I didn't just call the restaurant. Ron Say hey you know make sure to send my food and then forty five minutes later my wife and my kids. Where's the food? I call him back to go. Never got shorter. Like that's the problem right. You know. That's that's a huge problem. But if you're telling me that I can tech something and say hey you know. My air conditioning doesn't work in my unit. And by the time come back from the pool the air conditionings on and it's the temperature that we you want and that's incredible it is and I'll go one more. You Know Hilton's really. They're working to integrate all system. So I mentioned digital key earlier whereas you're if you're a hill honors member number you can do you can get a digital key you can check in. You can pick your room. You don't even need to go to the front desk. Hilton is making it so down the road. You can control everything in your room room from your phone so you can control light. You can control your air conditioning. You can even set your television to the screen trauma when you come in so rental controls on obsolete percent we already we have the ability to stream anything from any of your devices to the television to anyone. Ever you on Netflix. Any of those different types of things. So you don't have to worry about renting movies and things like that so so again when we talk about enhancing. These are all enhancements of things that are already. They're they're already things that this is amazing. Now it's going to be even more amazing when you can do these things and so when you talk about really the future of hospitality and traveling it can be as interactive as you. Want it to be if you're one of those folks that just doesn't jetlag. You've had a long flight. You just don't want to talk to folks but you want beer in your room. It's you can do that without speaking to anybody. And you can enjoy yourself and then when you're ready come down and enjoy. Whatever kind of nightlife for socialites? Alexis you're interested in and so again for us. Those are all obviously work smarter not harder. Give the guest experience that they're looking for and make sure that you're the leading edging technology because it is going to enhance the things that you have and to. Your point is going to create jobs. I don't I don't really believe it's going to take them away. Oh no I I'm. I'm very adamant that is GonNa create many jobs and it's going to create a lot of opportunity for people in the hospitality space. That think they've they've always loved food or they've always loved beverage. They've always loved wind and and it's like well. How do I get into it? Because I'm not a chef you know. Maybe I don't WanNa go to culinary school will if you love technology you can learn something that can certainly enable enable a certain property that can enable a company to do things that they never thought were possible show. I mean and those are all opportunities when you're learning something on twitter that might be an opportunity partner with a local tour group. That's coming and they need one hundred rooms for the night and the weekend you'd want him to stay at your hotel right one hundred percent and if you respond to that tweet guess what somebody is going to be happy with that that you just put those rooms one hundred percent correct lamb. When when did you fall in love with hospitality? I mean there was a time when you're young early on I've been doing this most of my life I actually was framing houses. While I was in school I started Setting rooms as a houseman during Christmas just to earn extra extra money The Christmas season came and left and I enjoyed it so much that I stayed. So it's really it's been for it's been with me. Most of my life I when worked for free standing restaurants for a little bit I had a mentor early on that I went to him one day and said I was a house and I said I wanna be a food and beverage director. What's your advice? I want to be a food food and beverage director. I like the interaction with gas. I love food. I love beverage like anytime you see people in any of the positive interaction or or the NATO apostle sure yeah for sure one hundred percent you know anytime that you see people in restaurants in hotels in bars you know ninety nine percent of the time. They're they're happy they're having fun. It's a great time. They're celebrating braiding something or other and so for me that was very intoxicating just was around it and you know as your as your food and beverage director banquet manager whatever it is in the food space of a hotel you have banquets that are going on so it was. There was a lot of different things that led me to it. It just seemed natural for me. It was fun it was it was a place that I could be inventive inventive and kind of do my own things here and there. You know It was somewhere that I could develop people and develop myself and it just. It always seemed like there was something to learn always seemed like there was something to do and so I really enjoyed that. I really enjoyed coming to work every day and having a new different challenge you know some of them are the same but for the most part you know. My days are different every day every day and I love. Ah there. Don't get me wrong. There's days that are high stress intensity and there's a lot of days that you know there's a lot going on but for I think folks like us. Yes that's what we really gravitate to is just the constant change and having fun and being able to do different things and not having somebody say why are you doing it that way. And why didn't you do it this way. It's it's Uh us taking the ownership in the empowerment to really drive our own business. So I think that's I mean that you could've said it better. It's not it's not. We have yes we we make mistakes but those are the learning opportunities but because things happen so quickly and you have to think about what's next you always have to be planning for what's next. How do we make they get in better? How do we created experience that exactly what we said before? It's a memorable moment. That someone's GonNa WanNa come and share but every time it's different it. Is You know every every property is different. Every single event is different. You know it could be a celebration of life. It could be a keen senior. Could be a wedding. You just don't know and each bride. Each breads br groom that each family is different. Sure so how is that going to work out and guess what things aren't going to go as planned. This is just the the the reality of life the reality of business and those are the challenges that we have to overcome those challenges that we overcome we learn because the next time we're prepared Rabi we have something and we have backup ice extra speed. Maybe our ice machine that we ordered that we thought could handle the capacity. Doesn't handle the capacity that we need. Are there any horror stories stories that you had in at any time at any of these hotels you've learned from the one that sticks the one that sticks with me the most I feel bad. I promoted motive captain and this was. Oh my gosh seventeen. Twenty years ago I promoted a captain. It was his very first captainship. It was a wedding We had gotten done with the ceremony. Ramona everything was good. The food was all taking care of The bride had wanted. Some of the celebration punched her table. And so my captain in got some big celebration Panchen took it to the table and as he was walking towards the table trip no dumped an entire red. I mean a big glass of Red Punch all over this young ladies. He's white drought. No that's a memorable moment. It was There's you know there was a there was a lot of a lot of back and forth. There was a lot of. Yeah what what do you do with that She actually had some clothes that she could change into so unfortunately it didn't count. You know she did not and It her we're her gown was pink forever. Unfortunately goodness yeah we it was. It was definitely A learning experience so yeah no. I've always said that you learn. Learn the experience that sticks with you. The most is the experience that you gain in the toughest challenges. Sure and so wherever you're at you know I've been challenges and I've been in situations where I've just been you know what but this this is awful and I can't believe this and then once you get through it and it really tests the resiliency of your team and yourself so when you get through it you think Oh my God you know that was an amazing and how do we do it. Yeah how did we pull it off. And then you know you sit. Sixteen people called out exactly and yet somehow we did it up. We did and it was flawless. They had no idea. What was it's happening behind the scenes if they only knew but we somehow pulled it off right? That's really exciting. So what are you still hiring or have we fill all positions no in terms of the hotel. So I'm always looking for good people in my industry and I'm sure you're familiar with this. We're always recruiting. I want people that are gonNA come in with passion and I love collaborative atmosphere. So if you're gonNA come in and you know share with me things that you think are awesome and ways that we can improve than I want you to be part of my team so venture question. We're always looking You know and I believe that's true through the whole entire hotel. I don't think he'd ever find somebody that says nine. I'm okay I'm good. Yeah what kind of process do you guys have for hiring. What's what's your It starts with online application. So you have to go to digital. Yeah they'll say to you know and it's interesting because you know you you just you really can't walk into any place anymore with our allocation it's all digital and it has to do with being able again. It's it's to enhance. You know a lot of folks think this that you know it's it's to be able to screen people it's not necessarily earliest greenfield was just to enhance the experience to be able to talk to the people that have the experience. I'm looking for first and foremost and I think it's important for those people to be able to get face time with the leaders so that you can connect on you know a little bit easier a little bit easier of a playing fill one hundred percent we're restaurants in East County San Diego and people told us that there's there's no way that we can just only have a digital application and we've proved them wrong time and time again because we have no problem teaching someone enabling them to understand. This is how you set up an email like and we'll do that. The person doesn't even work for us to bring them into the manager's office. Show them how to how to set up an email. Because it's that important. Yes I mean. It's that important in two thousand nineteen that you understand that the world is moving forward and people have internet in their pockets. They have smartphones in their pockets. And what can you do to make once you teach somebody how to do that and enable them it turns on a light it. Does it turns on a light because you understand that like all these fears that you had and that's really a lot of what happens in this digital world is that people are scared of a new APP or they don't WanNa look stupider. I don't WanNa post something that you know it's GonNa come back and bite me ultimately at the end of the day. The more that you get over those fears the more opportunities you find you know especially when it comes to business right and then you know knowing that Hilton is doing all kinds of things like this on such a global scale is really refreshing for someone like me. Because I know that we've had to do it as a small restaurant just to stay open but if you're doing it on that level think about how many people you can impact palm and think about how many amazing experiences you can impact is right well and and you you. You said something right there. That is is Very near and dear to my heart you know when you talk about taking people that don't work for you and bringing them in and showing them technology and things like that. You're building loyalty right there. And that's showing that you care about people in their success and if you show people that that aren't even like I don't even work for you and I don't even know if I'm going to work for you but you're willing to put that commitment and to me like you're going to stop up and show me how to set up an email so that I can go out and work anywhere in the world. That's amazing to me and so when you say things like that that is what technology is able enables us to to do can bring people together and it can build relationships as opposed to people think well it just destroys relationships. Are you just gave us an amazing example of a business leader promoting loyalty and also reaching out to the community. Because you're willing to help somebody that really doesn't have a commitment to you hundred percent. That's amazing that's what I love. I mean those are the things that are certainly exciting because I mean social media people have a fear you know rightfully so they have a fear. You know if your dominos and you see that. Somebody's you know in your kitchen. And they're filming a video of something that they shouldn't be filming and it goes viral or your southwest. Whatever whatever company you might be? That's the fear. Yes you know you fear the worst. I really those are such small tiny tiny tiny examples of the things. That actually could go right right. You know catching people in the act of doing things right right and letting people that work for you show why they're so excited to work for you Right catch me at my best. Catch you at your best lutely what What kind of philosophy a teacher team here? It's all about learning it's all about growing yourself as an individual. I feel like if you grow yourself as an individual. You'RE GONNA you're GONNA help me. You're going to grow my business because it's again it's what how can I help you get to where you're trying to go in life. And so I if I if I'm showing you and teaching you all the things that you need to be successful at the Hilton and giving all the tools that you need to be you're gonNA take those tools you're gonNA make my business accessible but you're also gonNA to make yourself successful and you're more than likely you're going to go out and talk to your friends and your neighbors about what we're trying to accomplish here. Hey I told my boss. I was only going to be there for a couple of years and he said Great. Where do you WanNa go and what can and I do to help you get there? It's going to build your loyalty and things like that so my my philosophy is always be learning always be building always be looking looking for the next new thing. Be the leading edge. You know I I hate to say that we're constantly reinventing ourselves but we are in a way if you want to be leading if you want the people that are the servant leaders of the world and showing what. It's like to be successful than you're you're going to have to look at yourself on a consistent basis and you're going Out to ask questions about am I going in the right direction. We doing the right thing. And if you have technology and you're applying it the right way. It's a tool that's going to help you answer those questions quickly instead of the all days where you had to look at business trends forever you know what I mean. You're going to be able to tell what you're doing by YELP. You'RE GONNA be able to tell what you're doing by your cost trackers. You're going to be able to tell what you're doing by you know we have Team member surveys once a year here in the hotel where it's all digital. They tell us how they feel about the operation and the leaders yes absolutely All of that is going to help. Oh poss- make better decisions and really at the end of the day. That's what it's about right again. Taking care of the guests taking care of the team members. How do you go about getting press for your hotel? It helps being Hilton. Sure absolutely so we have a PR firm that we work with Crow yes crow. I've heard of them. They worked with them. They're wonderful they're you know when we do these podcasts. It will always do a digital deep dive and it must be nice when you work with professionals channels. That know how to get you press absolutely because it's very helpful. Yes it is getting your message out yes it is and to get the right message right. I mean you. Can you can plaster places uses with all kinds of information. But it's again it's the right message for the right guests at the right time. Were always trying to do and crow really helps us with that navigate you know. What are we trying and to accomplish? And what do we think our guests are trying to accomplish. And you know it's it's nice working with them while it's great we'll also local firm share so it's easy to go and highlight higher national firm. National firm might not know the San Diego market the same way someone micro does and I think that's you know it's very important for us and what we talk. Talk to other restaurant owners and bar owners about his. Nobody's GonNa go out and come knocking down your doors to write stories about you. So you have to be reeling to create eight that media yourself and develop those relationships yourself yes You know that was one of the things for us. It was you know we we thought that. Oh you know. We've been open for five years. It's just you know the newspapers GonNa come riding article about us. It's not like that. You actually have to go out and use twitter use instagram facebook. Use All these tools that we have to create relationships and make people care but you also have to be involved and actually once. We stopped caring about getting our own message out and start caring about other people's message in the community. The more opportunity started opening for us which is exciting. And that's Kinda the philosophy of all the stuff that I've been reading that you guys are doing you know you care more about being. The guide died than being the hero of the story. Right and I think that's something that when people come here that's what they're going to be able to take away. I believe we want everybody to have a fond farewell. Yeah well and again. It's it's about the hub and as long as the team members understand here. Somebody walks up and asks you a question. It's completely fine if you're going to suggest one of our competitors as a matter of fact I want somebody somebody to go and see what. It's like to come back because in our is it's just going to broaden. People's Horizons is going to get people out of their Comfortable boxes and have them try other things Yup and and then in doing that. You're going to feel comfortable with what we're trying to tell them instead of. Just we're trying to guide them in direction. We think is best. That's not true. We're trying to guide you in a direction that you think is best and again to your point. We're just the guide we're just here to help get you where you're trying to go one hundred percent Anything that you'd like to tell her guests when they come down to come visit you if anyone listening to the podcast you know. Make sure that you try all the venues. Make sure you step outside of the box and try everything on the menu that you can I'm and really enjoy technology. When you're here use it to the fullest the fullest extent to make sure that? When you're in the hotel that you go up to above ash and you see what's going on up there and that you go out into little Italy in that you go out into San Diego and you witness what's going on downtown because it's an exciting place? There's a lot of things going on. And so we want to be a hub. We want you to come and enjoy us but we WANNA do it in a non intrusive way that you're also comfortable enjoying other things in San Diego and coming back can sharing those stories with us because that's really what we want to hear is. How is this impacted your life? How has it impacted? You was it everything that you wanted it to be. If it wasn't. Is there anything that we can do to help. And and that's really at the end of the day. What what I want people to take away? I think there's something important to what you said earlier that you had to be. You have to be willing to always be improving vein one of the things. I give you credit for your Heavier Lincoln profiles up-to-date and I think that's something busy professional as yourself. You have five hundred things is going now. You have you now. You have this huge task to get everything open and ready for the grand opening. But you're still care enough to know that your digital profile matters and and other people that are looking at the Curio collection looking at the Carter Hotel they will go through there. And they'll see who chance rock and you. Having that up-to-date they profiled means a lot I think that's something that you know. There's always an excuse why not to do it. There's always an excuse that oh we shouldn't do it or we don't need to do right but at the end of the day. That's just another tool. That's another tool in your chest and it's another tool for your hotel. It's another tool for people that might WanNa come and work here you know they're they're gonNA come and look and they're gonNA find out well while you're rockstar. Look how many trophies the Hilton and Marriott have given you. You're joking before the podcast started. You need a trophy room for all these all these hospitality. metality awards you've won. I couldn't without the team all of my location so I've been fortunate to be associated with and also build some great teams and so I'll take take a little bit of the credit but very little you know you can't be successful without the folks around you and how do people find you guys on social The Cartel Hotel Dot Com facebook look is alcohol actually at Kearney Cartel Hotel Heartache Hotel that's what the that's what the teams for with not for us with the teams for crow. Pr Looking out of you. Guys have been amazing Thank you for your hospitality. Thank you for choosing San Diego. Thank you for choosing little Italy at some place. Obviously Growing up in San Diego my whole life. It's we all. We always want leadership here and we always want great people. Great hoteliers great hospitality. Great leaders coming here To show off the city like I said San Diego markets itself. But it's always better when there's people that are Embracing technology embracing digital and doing the things that you guys are doing into to bring quality talent here and to create those memorable moments that we're talking about so congratulations on your success. We we can't wait to see what what you guys do. Our WE'RE GONNA be watching both physically and digitally see what. See how your brand grows and the imprint. That you guys make San Diego. It's been my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. Enough -solutely Louis appreciate it. Thank you own. This week's episode is brought brought to you by hot sauces visit them at the. Ot Ranch Mall in Chula Vista California where you can pick up a new grille and taste from hundreds of hot sauce samples it also visit them online at hot sauces in more DOT COM. Are you interested in sponsoring the show. Email us at podcast at Kelly. 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Wonderfront Festival is a labor of love for Mr. San Diego Ernie Hahn (DH 007)
"Ernie Hahn is a San Diego sports and entertainment legend who is a master of building. Strong relationships find out how he teamed up with Tony Hawk Doc. Trevor Hoffman Rob Machado and other sports icons to create the Wonder Front Music and Arts Festival in downtown San Diego on this episode episode of digital hospitality. Welcome to digital hospitality L. D. I am your host Sean. Walsh this is Kelly. BBQ Media Production and we are recording from Poseidon in del Mar special special. Thanks to Tom. Wrangles junior the owner of the restaurant. Who was so gracious? We actually didn't even know we were going to be recording here today and Part of digital hospitality is the world we live in is the online world in the offline world and I think one of the things that I truly appreciate his owners that understand. The bigger picture Tom and his team have been so accommodating to let blue vision get all set up so that we get ready for our guests today. Which is Ernie haunt Mr San Diego? The man behind Wonder Front Festival Wonder Front is the new festival that Ernie and Paul Thornton bring into town and we're here to To learn a little bit more about the vision behind the gift you guys were given to San Diego. Good afternoon what I it's been a whirlwind. Alwin Czerny thanks for being patient with me and coming up here to meet with me and Sorry I was late but Thanks for tracking me down. Love what you guys do and I love the podcast. All the work you do in addition to the great barbecue but You know we we both share something That is so intrinsically deepen our so on that as we both love San Diego and loving San Diego different forms and shapes and what you do and they can be involved with charities charities that can be involved with your business or you know making the best damn food you cannot or sharing that with charities like you do with the caddy hack that we do every year and all achievements that we do so you become a great friend And everybody loves great friends. That have great food so It's it's a good Combo and thanks for having me on absolutely absolutely. I think you know one of the things that I've shared this story on our podcast on behind the smoke. Also when I was on point of view With Chris Beal. We just recently had on digital hospitality. was you know I grew up loving sports and entertainment and I got connected with my best friends through sports sports I remember being at Bishop's in La Hoya and reading the sports pages every every morning I kept reading about the Han on family. And I kept reading about this guy. Ernie Hon and it was something that for somebody growing up here I was. I was always impressed that no matter what the article was no matter what the Angle Engle was. It was always you guys. Were trying to do something better. And that was something that I admired and I remember circling in the article. Hey that would be so cool. One day meet Ernie To meet his family and and fast forward to win the goals get announced that they're coming back to town Kelly Comfort we'd been doing a lot of stuff on local radio and became friends with Dominic. Monique who worked for Iheart they had come to meet with you an Ra Segal the then president of the goals and the pitch was you know they wanted to get radio deal for the goals. They didn't end up getting the radio deal but at the end of the meeting you guys asked if there was somebody that should be on their radar for sponsorship Somebody that maybe they you didn't traditionally think think of and Dominic recommended Kelly Comfort and And it was at that time where I couldn't believe that I was. This was an opportunity for our brand whose off the beaten path was able to do an activation at a stadium. With a sports franchise franchise like the goals and are and for me. It was it was game changing. You know we went down to meet with you and I felt like we were pitching you just as much as as you were pitching us and it was just a matter of getting Joey from Levy also Joey Smith who's absolutely incredible. The best Him as well as our sorry as well as you and just really figuring out those details knowing that we wanted to do something better and it was part of that revitalization of the Sports Arena which was Valley View Casino Center. And now it's Pechanga Chunga arena. Tell me a little bit about your your philosophy about relationships and kind of where. Where did that come from? I mean I think I got a lot of that for my grandpa Ernie home named after certainly most of my dad. It's just the way that I'm here that I've grown up in the family. There's a there's a right and the wrong way to do business and it starts with relationships Everybody is just as important as the next person. Then they get to Nichols through their name or if they got a hundred million dollars the way we've always looked at it as a person as the person and they come with unique relationship to other people and you know we're in the business of doing deals and putting together deals with people that are really good people that respect and like those relationships model leverages relationships to do better things in the community better things for their business and one and one is three kind of stuff as cliches. That is But that's what it is and when we met that day and we hit it right off and you know I had been I told you I went to Phil's across the street right when he came to town and talk to him and he's like well it. Just I don't know if I keep the product good enough. I'm like dude. It's seven hundred hundred feet from I mean I can. I can hide it underneath the you know I can. I can pull it underneath the fence and skateboard it to my front. And they'll be just as hot and so he didn't believe in it and I was pitching him before he was even Over at the stadium and it was Scott. WHO's no longer with you know? Scott Marshall Missile is one of the best food and beverage guys ever met just like Joey. Those two favorite guys in the business and so and then I wore that chip on my shoulder for a a little bit. I fuck. I can't believe like it's ridiculous like we've got a great arena. Were doing a lot of events and so that opportunity came in. We met you and you were super excited sided about it and I was super excited this I want to do business. People that are passionate about their product and what they do and they want to actively engage in a new relationship and build that relationship. And that's why it's always been easy with you because if you needed something you've asked then needed something I've asked and we respect each other so that it's never a problem or every year you sign up for Ri- Golf Tournament we feed. You know hundreds of people at the festival at at the Gulf festival that is is a different festival And so I respect. I like that and it helps the brand and helps us together and business grows because of it. So let's talk about festival economics. And where did this idea this. I mean because you've been working on wonder front for a long time now. Yeah I would say it's been eight years eight years and my partner Paul Thornton. I called him about eight years ago. And this and said since street seem the left after. I think we have an opportunity to do something. This is well way before bill and we looked at the fairgrounds and we looked at He looked to Camp Pendleton. We looked at fiesta island. We looked at North Island relooked. Coronado dumb are dome our fairgrounds. We looked at none of them quite made sense for us because we didn't think there's anything necessarily to special about them or it might be special like North Island but it was gonna be difficult with military or it might be special in fiesta island but between the noise and the fact that there's twenty different organizations including Fido Fiesta Island Island Dog Owners Association. Really that gotta get. Their dogs walked every day. And we get special you know. I like imagine having earmuffs on dogs walking through the festival estival. So I'm like that's not going to happen and it's like anything else. It's got to be not that it's going to be easy. But you gotTa have somebody that wants you and somebody that sees he's your vision. And when we started working about four years ago with the port of San Diego and Jim mini-van and Randa and her staff They got it they get it and their partners in this and they happen to have what I think are the most beautiful iconic San Diego venues on the waterfront available and then the question was how howdy put that together to make sense to try to explain that vision to everybody and that's a difficult thing to the first year and we're seeing that but at the end we also know so what we have in these iconic locations and we've got great talent we got over one hundred and thirty acts local acts now over hundreds thirties. Wow you started started. Started the pitchers at seventy seven ninety five and then activating all these water taxis. We've got you know. So when you take water taxi from Broadway pier down to south often Barca Darrow for the two farthest spots in the festival. there's a bar in there is A four hundred capacity Flagship ship Maryetta. That Brad and that crew or just great partner angles phenomenon that angle. He's been on behind the smoke and his story with flagship. What they've done once? You told me that you're launching this festival. I I didn't know if you to knew each other but I knew that you would you. Would you would find each other and you you would be doing significant. Were I love that guy. We're doing a big precedent next Thursday and it's a school that were inviting all the press to combat and we're going to all get on for lunch Brad's ads hosting and he's hosting the ride. And we're literally heading down to Doing the actual water taxi route and so the press can see it and get a b roll of it because it's still explaining that people's hard understand like what festival has a fucking water taxi. Yeah none that I really know but ours does. And it's what makes that unique and different along with the seven plus stages in one hundred and thirty. You know one hundred and thirty bands that are going to be there. It makes unique and different and it makes makes it southern California and it makes it so San Diego and the end of November. And and so that to me is special and it's getting people to understand that vision and I just gotTa get you there. Can you and I talked about a hockey game hockey game. You're coming back sure. Because you love it even more so in this case than I can get you to come out of this festival and you see all these different stages and you're doing water water taxis and going in and out joined the gas lamp coming in and seeing all these different bands. Water taxi art activation food activation. 's I don't think there's a better venue that you can line up and venues matter at the end of the day because he can't just go only for the talent if I'm just going for three hours just for the same acts that you always see even if they're big names you're not you're going to concert. You're really not going to a festival. We want this to be experiential from the start finish. Why why? Why is experiential so important outside you see fog cleared Lee of this experimental? That's it's experience or I stay right seriously right here on this side it was completely fog out five minutes ago and so I would say what was your experience here when I look at it. Oh we're at the poseidon it's cool. It's I know it's nice out there. Fog Lifts and that's experiential that. It's moving I mean you can feel it. Their surfers right there smell and smell it. You can hear it so if I just go into fairgrounds or a stadium or whatever If you've got boundaries and you're doing more of the same what we want you to do is go in and out of these different spots and ultimately enjoy those enjoy him for time and discover new music. That's the other thing I want you when you get done coming after this year and a couple of weeks. I'm hoping that you come back and say here's what I loved his a couple of things that I could make better and what I think you'll tell me is Ernie. I showed up at noon on Saturday and I showed up at noon on Sunday. Because I knew I wasn't stuck in that and then you all day and let me tell you about two or three bands. I discovered at wonder front. That are on my playlist that I'm now totally involved with and I can't wait to see and some of them are are just blowing up a year later or whatever and you were there and you saw me. Isn't that the joy of discovery music and hundred but we don't I just feel like unless you're twenty five and you're my kids age or whatever you're willing to camp out and go for ten hours a day which is not realistic for you and I mental to speak for you but no that's not not sir not ever GonNa you're gonNA show up at six and you're gonNA leave at nine thirty or ten like I am and you're really really not this your everybody. You're seeing you've heard of. UCF At some point. That's cool can be some really cool. You're not discovering anything and we want that to be part of the experience and it's hard to explain to people that are older when I say older I'm fifty two. I sat would fall young man a lot of fall in that category. A lot of people are going to use. I don't know you know three quarters of the bands that are on this. I'm like yeah well so why would I go. Well somebody about demands that you do know and then let me fuck and explain the experience that I'm looking for you to get when you do that booze cruise or when you go in and out or join your buddy at barley mash or whatever in between gene or go get a steak dinner and then come in and out and you see the actually show up and see Don Omar on the Latin stage and go fuck. I didn't talk show. Good Nicky Jam and you actually we push yourself a little bit and say I actually discover some new shit this. That's really cool. Yeah that's part of the music experience because at the end of the day we all all agree and disagree on different things but what we all do agree is at some point is on music. Music brings people together. And that's what we're doing with this festival and that's why we got an all Latin stage We didn't do it to check the inclusive boxer to say. Oh my gosh look at these white guys that are you know whatever like I love so much of the music I mean and one of my favorite groups in the World Manat came in ninety three to one of their I shows that the arena. I got to be friends with the band and still am so much good. Latin Hispanic music that that is wonderful and it's thirty two percent of our population San Diego. If you don't like that you should probably leave San Diego Mil somewhere else. Probably love it and I think it's cool. And what makes us the different. And this is everybody's festival and it's it's It's that culture. It's Latin Hispanic culture. It's it's their festival. It's a festival for Tijuana to come up and be part of us to be inclusive. Come on over enjoy this. This is everybody's festival and next year. Probably add some country and will cover all the John Res- and explaining that and get people to understand all that and all the stages It's always a challenge so literally this goes all the way up until the last couple of days and you've got San Diego which is late by market anyways and so I- super pumped can't work work any harder on this thing and I'm very appreciative of the friendships. And the people like yourself that are always you know watching what I'm doing or others doing and acknowledging where you think that's important orders. Cool things involved so many underprivileged charities. He's that are getting for disadvantaged groups some free tickets this festival to which is awesome. They've never had a chance to see something like this. I'm super excited for all all those groups and I'm super excited for the Tourism Bureau and he and his group that have supported us in in the port and all of our sponsors that have taken a chance with us the first year people like yourself I just trust me. Come out and see this festival and you're GONNA love it you're GonNa Fall in love with it and ticket. Prices only seventy nine dollars for Friday ninety nine for a Saturday or Sunday. Only two hundred and thirty nine dollars for a three three day pass. So it's a smoking deal when you compare it to other festivals and I just gotTa get you there. I'm pretty confident when we get you there. You're GONNA in really good shape. I think it's something that's exciting. I heard you with Chris cantorial. WHO's a good friend and on behind the smoke and did an incredible interview with you on this podcast talking about? It's up to you and Paul to put on something that is envious of the entire our industry so that people that are in. La Bands that are emerging bands in L. A.. They're like I have to be there because you know in your heart is somebody. That's Mr San Diego himself self. No one loves the city like you and we all love the city the people that love and lead San Diego want the best for San Diego and I was fortunate in College College to live in Spain and to be able to travel with my grandfather to incredible places in one of the things. I was remember was postcards. You would go to little shops and postcards cards the most beautiful thing you could put on the postcard from that city and what I always loved about San Diego is. There's so many different things. We could put on a postcard because our city is so beautiful. But you need that event to actually propel that tourism that extra tourism plus getting people that are even downtown. That haven't been to the wonder front. That'd Ed have been to the water to come down there. I mean we have this beautiful coronado bridge. And how many photos did you see of the bridge. Not many anymore. But you're going to have these aerial footage footage of these incredible acts plane right there on the water. Yeah I I see the Vision on this one and I've seen it. I saw it five years ago and it doesn't make it easier. You can have all day long. You mean it's not easy putting on a festival. It's about the most stressful but but every day that I get I it's been seventeen and eighteen hour workdays and every day that I wake upper I feel tired or or kind of beaten up for a second I I feel in the afternoon at times like I feel right now where I just get a second and third wind and and I just become so grateful and so thankful for opportunity that I've been given I feel like there's a I feel like I'm in the right place the right time to be able to do this and pull it off for the city and and I say that for the city because this is designed to happen. First and foremost for the city I've gotten investors that believe in me and Paul including ourself and this is four. Sandy Hubei San Diego. It's it's Rob Machado and Tony Hawk. And and Trevor Hoffman. Put their names behind this. Their names are worth a lot more than what this festival may mean to all of us financially and then because they've worked their whole life on their names and it's something. I don't take for granted at all the and and they're all really good friends so I take extra personally and and and at the same time they believe in the vision that we have for this they want to see this be better city. Music brings everybody together I'm telling you these icons stages as they go. It's unbelievable And Paul is so incredible putting this on the team that we have the operational. The team I think is incredible. They do Lollapalooza a bunch of the other big festivals. I just feel like it's the right time like it's the right place. It's a time that San Diego needs win and I feel like I'm just lucky enough and created enough luck luck by hard work to be in the right place at the right time with enough of the relationships over the last thirty years to pull the right people together to to to to pull this off and create new legacy for San Diego that I truly believe when we're sitting here in three and four years. We're going wow I I can't believe you're doing fifty sixty thousand people all over this weekend and it's it's you know it's our coachella it's big those are my that's my vision and who knows you five years from now. Maybe it's do one hundred thousand people or five years from now. Maybe it's not happening. I don't know only time will tell but I like I bet on me. That's part of creating something from scratch. I would bet on me and I would bet on our team to ultimately. You don't WanNa do something really cool at the end of the day and so it's pretty special. How long did street scene last because street scene is something that I've heard you bring up multiple times in having grown up in San Diego? I was able to experience street scene. It was one of my first introductions into understanding what live music is. It's funny because rob. Hey We're GONNA have ROB Hegi Out As our guest for the weekend as a as a thank you and you know he rob also went. You know it's funny. We I think we spoke at the same career day one year at country day awhile because we both went to lake ended and he was speaking. I think it was his nineteen ninety nine. He was speaking about And his festival and at the same time we were talking about Talk about the arena. I think goes the GM in ninety nine. Yeah it was pretty cool all so fast. Four I think he was eighty four to two thousand and four. Kinda the heyday. Maybe two thousand six might have been the last last year. There was a good twenty year run and was unique and it was different than it was special and and at the end of the day it was just one of those things where They ran a real estate and when they change the location at the end of the day. Location's everything the downtown was the secret sauce. And there's no doubt that we have the right location downtown. And there's no doubt on top of that that being on the water with the water activation going in and out of the gas lamp to me is. It's it's it's ridiculous actually I. I'm biased but I don't think location for a festival for somebody that loves sports it's an entertainment and attends as much as I possibly can and gets involved as much as I can't think of any major event where you're allowed to come in and leave honest I can't it's a different model and it's a it's a model where you know that you're going to be making less on your concessions in the end time will prove this up or or prove it down but as part the experience like it's part of the town you like if you didn't know half of those bands but you had an incredible experience on the water yet. Incredible notable experience in the gas lamp credible experience staying downtown San Diego walking everywhere in experiencing things. That's the experiential. The Band is important. But it's just part of the deal and and unfortunately the most part I feel like the bands are the majority if not the deal and why you choose to go to a festival at the end of the day okay. I'm GONNA see beyond saying I'll go and I might only want one or two other acts that I I can get there but I'm GonNa say well you're going to see see beyond say for seventy minutes at a at a festival and you're going to see her for two and a half hours if Her regular tour so you know end of the day. It's gotta be it's gotTa be that one and one is three to me. It's gotTa ought to be the experience and And you don't know what you don't know at the end of the day who's the note who's to say that you don't fucking know. Half of those bands is at the end the day by the time you're done with them at some point you had to hear a band at some point. You didn't wake up one day and go. I love the rolling stones. You may have liked him over time but there was the first time you heard the rolling stones and it could have been my dad when he was young could be could have been me and my i. I discovered the rolling stones probably when I sixteen or seventeen. They've been around for a while prior to that so discoveries. A unique thing and I love when people say well. There's not a band there that I that I really know where I'd like to see. It's you know. There's a ton of local bands but like there's a ton of big bands look like think Ben Harper or slightly stupider here penny wise or thievery or ex ambassador. migos Gal Like Mike would you vegas like like I mean I can go on Michael Frontier. Walk the Moon. Fana Graham tribal seeds. It's common kings. I mean I didn't know a lot of these bands when I started. I know most of now. If you are spotify lists are spotify wonder wonder front lists like pretty discovers new bands and listen to me. I like that moon taxi. I've brought them up before I'm GONNA have to meet the people moved. Xi's I've been pumping him up. It has nothing to do. I didn't know who moon taxi was prior to this and then when I was going through and kind of creating the spotify list and I went to Moon taxi I went down I go. I've I've heard this I for it and I went down to their second. I heard this on to and then I went down to the third fourth and fifth and I said I haven't heard these but I like their music. This this is really cool. Music Moon taxis now on a bunch of my playlists. And that's A. That's one that I discovered at the end of the day. That ends up being like a killer. I I think the spotify lists is definitely one of the coolest digital assets that I've ever seen for a festival when I went on your website and I saw you guys had created the spotify list list of emerging artists and then the big artists. This is incredible for somebody. That's going to go to the festival. Learn the music before you get there. Get me when he said well. I don't I don't know those vans. I don't like those bands. Also somebody might go actually ten bands. I listened to it and I'm kinda fired up to hear about or listen to. That's what I look so so I know I like the sound of taxi. I can't wait to see moon. Taxi in action go. How did they perform? What does it look like So that's what I look. Look for today I think that's what everybody else you look for. And while you're doing that and you're sitting in North America Daryl. You're you're drinking an ice cold beer and there's all these accusations that are going on and you look in the Bay and there goes a destroyer or an aircraft carrier right by you. Incredible or guy on electric foil. Or maybe it's Rob Machado behind a mastercraft Donovan. FRANKEN rider skirving in the bay. Like the options are fucking analysts. And you know I call that texture people at the arena Chris on before when I'm talking about events and we want to be something cool for whatever or we do at our caddyshack off. I got somebody. Run a gopher running behind a tree and kicking your ball off the tee and then rain around I call that texture. What are the events within the events that make them great so we know that? Mgm Tea is GonNa play. We know that travel seeds and thievery. Bob Moses Harold come into play. We expect they're going to put on a good show. They're getting paid a lot of money. I need to do what they do. But what are the other things that are happening are rounded the art installations and activation. Not just all in one spot like different art zones you can go and watch different artists doing live arts in works that are unique and different. And how do you watch those progress us. You know what what are the different food options and and Zones that you can go and see there and then the music and then the stuff that just happening they're partnered up with it could swoop. I always get Roy. At superscooper swoop palm apartment. Killing me. Listen to that one. But they were here last year. And it's the best skydivers in the world. And they skydive down right above the bay and they're coming down and then they pull the pull the core Brett further ahead and they're coming in like forty miles an hour and they pulled their shoot and they literally skim across the water and do like tricks on the water as they're really and then end up on a platform and that's going to be happening all weekend during the festival. So imagine you're now seeing on the Latin stage or whatever and you're watching Don Omar or you're watching you you know Ziona Lennox and there. There's all these people that skydiving right in front of you and swooping on the water and doing all this crazy stuff and I'm watching Donagh Maher. I'm seeing that happen. The sights and the sounds the texture is really cool. You don't you just don't get that at other places we want. I want you to feel I want you to feel like overloaded with sensory overload going back. This is really cool. The band was cool. That was important. They location Russian was cool. That was important. The activation around it and experiential was super cool. That those three things together make the experience so at the end. I'm not just going. How was kings only honor Dave Matthews and asking about that because that's almost a discredit to the actual a festival in the end? How was wonder front? Oh let me tell you about this. I saw is. I saw this going on by the way Michael Frontier blew my mind it. I'm not even better than that. The world that we live in the Internet tells everybody else real time caller on their phone on snapchat on tectonics Telling everybody else you have to be here use why. I'm pretty sure if you miss it on Friday night. You'RE GONNA be getting foam or you're going to hear from all your friend Friday night. I like it here Saturday. Get here Sunday. It's on tell me about the activation with Tony Hawk. Because I think that's probably one of the coolest things that I've heard in a long time right. I mean it's like Tony's is a local hero Antonis a partner in this tiny said I I wanna part of this and I'll come in and I'll bring my huck GM's ramp into this. I haven't dusted it off and twelve years and I'm going to bring the best vert skate guys in the world and What have we do an hour exhibition? Each day that I'm involved with ago. Oh rat and then I might a love that the boom boom huck. Gentillon was unbelievable. It was in my building a couple times. I toured the and then Paul to his goes. We'll tell me let's like let's Talk Music Tony Goes. I'd love to have a music activation around it and and and Paul goes I agree yeah. It's the sports sports and Music Combo the Paul perfected with the jeep tour of Scheme that he did prior to the two thousand ten Olympics were it was music and skiing and skiing was doing like five thousand people come watch. Paul brings a bunch of these bands. PENNYWISE WII awesome. There's twenty five thousand people and people were going crazy. A one one is three same concept here so I'd ends up being ex vandals suicidal title. Tendencies and pennywise believable. One of them plays than the hot huck. GM happens with local deejay deejay Z trip events. Anita's he's playing while they're doing all all the high flying jumps and all that and and then end of the day One of the one of the punk bands afterwards so that happened Saturday and Sunday and health. That's that's worth ninety nine dollars of leaving. On one of those days and then Rob Machado another one of our ambassadors. She got together. We're showing his movie his new movie. That just came out I think it's fire on the mountain. I got that wrong. I Apologize Rob I haven't haven't seen yet so I'm super excited to see at our festival. But it's him and skiing and snowboarding all grateful dead music narrated by Bill Walton San Diego Zone mazing and Bill is going to be out of town for our festival. Otherwise he'd be there And they're going to be showing that and then robin his guys you'll have probably the is from from pepper and probably miles from slightly stupid jump in and all sorts of questions. Who's he gonNA have? You're going to have to be there that day to see it is. It's Rob Machado and friends. And they're going to be doing all. Paul grateful dead covers with his movie playing in the background. So that's Super Rad. Super Cool and and robs gotta water station. That's it's out there for to refill your bottles and a bit of the the echo version of what we're looking at and and then Trevor Trevor. It's GONNA be out there. We're still figuring out with trevor. What exactly He wants to do. He wants to be part of it and greet fans and Be Part of it and So yeah I feel very blessed that those three involved with it and the champs just one of the many cool different things it's like there's so many different events within within the events at the festival. What about San Diego's a military town? What are you doing for veterans? So here's the military discounts on all tickets. It's so when you go to waterfront festival dot com. That's there so the veterans we got a really cool event that ends Sunday night called Guitar Legends Three. And it's the kind of the one act that I would say skews older me my dad. Your Dad like whoever whatever he wanted to be at the end of the day And so we partnered up with Babacan and a good friend of ours mart Martine Martine and they've done this guitar legends one and two and they had talked to me about it. You should bring that out and let's be that have that be the headliner for you. Know Ninety three on the pop rock race age. It's a fundraiser for America's Salou which is a veterans based charity. And they've done it twice before and it's super cool so it's it's Kinda based with Kenny. ARONOFF aren't off. Excuse accuse me and his all star Band and then it's billy gibbons from Z.. Top IT's Steve Luther from Todo. It's worn hanes from government meal and Dan all brothers and it's George thorogood and Nancy Wilson from heart and these are all rock and Roll Hall of famers. They come together. They'll play a couple of songs on their own different duets and then just a full on jam band at the end. It's being filmed live there on on the spot it's being canned on the WB really ain't going to be broadcast nationally. Probably December so think about think about this cool event eh sixty or ninety minute special. That's could be broadcast to the world and it's going to be the Qatar legends three from wonder front and so it becomes incredible marketing arm for us. You know all four K.. Cameras and drones and imagine the footage. We're going to get out on this thing at North Mark Darrow. On a beautiful Sunday Sunday night the twenty four th so very different. Nobody's doing that and it's also a tribute to what used to happen. Streets in construction used to have something called the hendrix experience and they'd have kind of ripping guitarist. Come down this kind of our version for it. I expected this to really expand and what you would see. Even next year is Some others like a Santana antenna or somebody and then and then the younger generation it could be a post malone. It could be a nick. Jonas that love playing guitar but to be able to play with an icon auto. Like where else would they get a chance to do that. So it's a mutual admiration society. We WanNA create something really cool A safe place for these guys come in and just jam and really enjoy enjoy and appreciate each other. And you're creating a unique experience with obviously with flagship to with these yachts where these bands literally the Green Room is on the San Diego. That's fucking incredible. I mean where else can you do that. I'm abandoning. I'm in agreement. I'm on a on a floating yacht. That's hosted in sitting there. And then you know a pontoon boat comes and picks me up and takes the United States or whether. I think it's pretty like once again. I haven't seen all festivals pretty sure most festivals. Don't have that you you know. These guys are cooked away and in a tent or they're sweating it out somewhere else. I gotta go into beyond the Bay and be able to kind of cruise around until they go unique but we want the artists to feel special at the end of the day and go. Wow this was a different festival not to mention San Diego where we stayed and we did the after parties season two before cruises on the bay or whatever we just walked on the boardwalk. But I think that's a unique unique activation and all reactivation are going to be like that special in different and Creating something different to me is That's the important part. The normal regular festival experience plenty of our as well. I think one thing I do want you to talk about especially as somebody certified facilities executive somebody that's spent his life in. Entertainment is explaining the economics of wife. Why are we moving towards festivals? CELS as opposed to what we've done in the past. And how does it help. Actually the end user come at a cheaper price to enjoy more music. Well I guess I was starting to tell you that if you're looking for any form of rest relax ation peace of mind not worrying arms back in a lazy boy chair part of the time. Don't start a festival done. Start up again. The festival business. It's not even but at the festival business the fact that you're building a small town for a week and you're assembling and disassembling that quickly. We'll do you steal this when when we do our amateur barbecue contests and we have twenty amateur barbecue teams. I tell people people that I'm running twenty weddings at the same time. And you have. How many different bands come and different? But one hundred thirty weddings along along along ten different locations with all sorts of activation spots. And and it's you know what if it was easy everybody would do it. And you've seen scene with fire fast and other people that's why people have been waiting from the get-go and go. Is this going to be another fire fast. Is this really happening. You know rule right on top. This happening whatever ever and so. Unfortunately there's woodstock fifty went down. John Reese went down. Fire Festival was fifty years ago. Yeah they had a woodstock festival. That was supposed to happen this year. The cancel all really so because it takes expertise. Yeah and it takes a lot of money and it takes a lot of dedication education and at the end of the day you gotta be pot committed on this thing to make partners pot committed and you need party support. Hot Committee need of Vision Tourism District all of them have all been great and then we took a weekend specifically. That is the slowest weekend. So whether you're the gas lamp association or whether you're Every bar restaurant and hotel the magic that you've created something that is really a gift back to San Diego you go into the attendees because you can come into this event for one day. How much a one? Day Ticket It's only seventy dollars on on Friday. It's only ninety nine on Saturday under your son every other festival. You have two hundred three day all three days and live in the desert with the Dan band choking down some best so my point is in Coachella is like the gold standard people love it. They go up there they do one hundred and fifty thousand people a day or one hundred twenty five this first they were capping it at thirty thousand people a day. We wanted to be a great experience. We want to bring everybody together. Like that's why we added the Latin stages and why will add country. It's it's like. This is a festival for San Diego by San Diego and I can't stress that enough if I wanted to feel deep in your core and special to you if you love San Diego. We're trying to put this festival on for you Your huge financial undertakings and to take a long time to get where they need to go And that's not that's not the initial look at this thing. Of course you've got investors. Investors put money. WanNa make money over time right. Nobody says can I put money into a festival and plan on losing all of it and can I do it again correct. But there's a bandwidth on this that you have to look look at. You gotta be pot committed. You've got to put down the base. Illit agai layer balls on the griddle. And you gotta go and you just the way I feel about the city city and the way I feel about so many people and relationships. I love this city and there's so many good people that are really good at different things. I think Paul and I a really good at what we do. In the event space I think will really good with the relationships around the event space and putting these things on and we're far from perfect but I think we're really fucking good and and if we tell you we're going to do something we're going to do it every shake your hand we're GonNa we're GonNa do it and so I just I grant I get a lot of that from my dad and I'm thankful that I've had them as mentors. I try to pass that on to my kids and my two boys and my daughter and they're all excited about this festival so this is the legacy that were trying to leave and start and man. It is so hard and at the end of the day. I'm still so absolutely fired up at the end of the day like when I got nothing left and it's like a seventeen hour day and I'm just beep and I go to sleep and I kinda Kinda wake up my neck's fuck I'm excited. I'm like if I'm that excited about what I know is happening. And all of these people. That probably don't quite understand everything that we're doing are kind of getting excited figuring out. I'm excited that they get a chance is to discover wonderful festival in addition to all the bands and I'm confident enough at the end of the day that discovery will lead to great things over time and we can build this thing together in and all of San Diego can grow with wonder front and could feel proud about it. I want you to feel about wonder front. I told you this before how you feel about your charters. There's I want you to feel about your wonderful festival. That this is your hometown franchise that loves you that you love that you you WanNa wear the colors of and you can't wait every year to discover something new because you know you're on the best location for festival that exist. That's what I want you to feel and we won't stop until we get y'all feeling that way and you want to wear the colors and you want to just go. This is our festival I san Diego's festival and then the rest of the world can join in after what does it mean to launch this festival in year. Two hundred two hundred and fifty. What does that I mean I? I think it's awesome. I mean I think one of the things we did with this festival to be inclusive for all including tickets that we can send out to different charities and you know disadvantaged groups that would never have a chance to come as you know pollen. I signed up early on back. It seems like forever back last December maybe November we signed up for this Ray Carpenter put this St Fifty Committee together. All Pro Bono put time and effort into it and Paul and I said let's help but something create something cool so kind of the last official event of the St Fifty campaign is wonderful. And what is St. Due to fifty million San Diego to fifty is one hundred fifty years two hundred fifty years and a lot of people don't know and if you if you didn't know this before You should know this is a San Diego or living in San Diego and San Diego is the birthplace of California. We are the oldest city. I'm sure that Los Angeles would say they are positive. The San Francisco would say they are for sure but they're not sorry is this is the birthplace of California and so we celebrate that this year. This'll this will be the and we've got some free stages inactivation at Roku Park during the day brought to you by UNIVISION radio and enter vision and others others in the Iheart that during the day you can come in. Watch them free bands. And even there's there part of the Tony Hawk's some of the skaters doing a free exhibition very at the point. So it's something for everybody. Everybody coming down to the gas lamp. Everybody coming down to the waterfront and the port to enjoy. What's the best because the port would tell you the wonder front is there also naming it? That's how we got. The name is for everybody. It's for all San Geoghegan's it's for Sean. That may have not been there for a while. It's for others. That are from out of town that have never seen it. Discover the waterfront. And so that's part of our discovery to with this festival is S- cover the waterfront different discover these acts discover all these installations. Discover the after parties discover the pre parties like discover. Tony Hawk discover Rob Machado discover the sports sports spar in the silent disco in Broadway Pier. Discover taking the trolley the coaster right the Santa Fe depot on Broadway and walking a two blocks into the festival. Take take the mass transit or Uber Down. Check into your hotel room and walk everywhere because you're a ten minute walk to all of the stages ages and you get tired go back and take a nap. You're cold go back and get your jacket you can go in and out discover. San Diego is part of this. And that's it's our commitment so discovery. You'll hear Paul talk about. It's a music lovers festival. Mine really comes down to a lot of that gets the discovery which is the same same thing and yeah tons of discover. Come back and discover this beautiful city that we call home and you're sitting here like we are on a Friday afternoon noon. Look at some of the way it was rolled by. It's God it's his fucking gorgeous and we're going to get a sunset here drinking a cold beer email email Seven years sober love it. My sister is twenty one. I think she's twenty seven. She had a seventy token a chain of her life A good friend Tim Street. I saw him last night. He's like two hundred and twenty days for him. Lost forty pounds changed his life. So so You know well I mean it's just the fact that you chose this restaurant today with all the fog and you know we had to get over here and the fact that the owner Tom was here you know I got to. I got to say hello to him and I didn't even think about like I'm sitting here with DECA walk in here and it's like a major studio Mike holy followed. There's no way in the video. podcast I pulled this off. We talked to the owner. And it's like the best of both worlds. Were set up on the upper deck. We'll hats off at Tom. And the whole crew and wrangler and he was was telling me his you know his father started this place and you know he. His father was a Greek immigrant. And you know he just passed away last year and I told him that my grandfather sure he raised me and he passed away when the year. I opened up Kelly comfirmation story you strike me as I bring. I brought my grandfather here. There were times when he was getting older. And we would come and watch the waves here in this in this actual ironic. Because I'm not here at Titan. No and when you said meet and Delmore I said I got a great view can go where I can have a beer just just relaxed at the end of the day. So it's apropos that Nash you special significance for grabbing here and and then I go and I read his article on the wall and his his father who came here came because his brother was here living in Spring Valley which is where a restaurant is. It was meant to be. We're supposed to be here by. The wave. Spent a a lot of signs. I'm just telling you there's been a lot of signs during the whole front stuff like this that every time I feel like it's my grandpa talking to me and just little things like that. Unoriginal here a little things like that. Like that's more than a coincidence. That's pretty fricking cool. And it's unique to what we love about San the Eggo and it's awesome. I mean just. It's the fact that they let us set up here and we got our whole upper deck in you know we're just GonNa see a beautiful sense and I'm going to come back in January and interview. Tom and learn about the fans loved that's digital hospitality. That's the world that we're living in. Is it online offline. But it's it's the people it's the face to face Ernie I I can't thank you enough just as a friend but also as a leader for what you and Holler all are doing I know what kind of risk it is because I do it on such a minute scale to pull off what you guys are doing. I have seen the people that are getting involved. All and the people that you've got to Diane and I know it's going to be successful and I know that there's GonNa be people kicking down your doors to activate next year. Yeah because they want in and that makes makes me excited as a San Diego means a lot coming from you and everybody out there. It's just it's it's a Labor we're of love and you can go check it all out at wonder front festival dot com site maps. There the activation are there. It tells you all about it so you can discover new things coming up an APP. It'll be out in the next couple days probably ten days. I guess the the APPS middle of next week That's exciting my daughter was calling me. Yesterday's Dad is the APP. You my friends are all awesome and yeah so it's you know what it's been in the most exciting and terrifying thing I've done it really is it's your next it is I feel like I'm giving birth the quadruple. I have no idea what that feels like. This is about as close as I feel like it and I am. I'm I'm so motivated and excited and terrified at the same time because there's so much to do. We got a really good team team that loves each other that cares for each other and most importantly just loves and has the Vision a passion for what we want to do for the city and I just can't emphasize enough. This is four Sandiego by San Diego. If you're listening to this you know exactly what I'm talking about about. You know exactly what that means whether you're Filipino Hispanic Anglo or whatever it doesn't matter if San Diego's your hometown you'd love this place and you feel Sandiego. That's what I want you to feel with this festival. I want you to feel that. That's that's what we're pushing for. We're not going to be perfect the first year or even the second year thirty. But I think it's going to be pretty damn good and I think you're really going to like it and We'll keep making it better but you know. Get your gear your rocket and just be ready. Just love something special and and I just I appreciate your support on this and ultimately In sixteen or seventeen days. I'm going to get get a little sleep at prior to that. There won't be much sleep going into it. There's a lot of details and stuff to walk down to get get ready or thank you for your time we Fired up to see how it turns out and document everything so love keep grinding. Thanks for having support man cheers. Thank you for listening and learning with digital hospitality. This week's episode code was sponsored by the Wonder Front Festival taking place November Twenty second through the twenty fourth in downtown San Diego by single day or weekend passes online mine at Wonder Front Festival Dot Com and follow at wonder front fast on social media. Do you want to be a sponsor of the show. How can we help grow? Oh Your Business Online. Email us at podcast at Kelly. BBQ Dot media. And let's talk next week's episode on digital hospitality. Okay we take a behind. The scenes look at the Spring Valley tailgate and Barbecue Festival this special episode features our tenth annual event with my former co host. Derek Marceau live from the main stage and we were joined by Cory Wagner the original producer of behind the smoke to talk about how to properly market a live event. Hope you check out next week's episode
Baby Shark | Reverse Interview with Innovation & Tech Today Magazine
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'cause I was getting close to getting of my head, and then I saw James corden do a little bit with Sophie Turner and Josh Grossman, and it was hysterical, it's a song and it's taking the world by storm and it's terrible and it infects your brain sounds awesome. Like son, right, bright, and it's like that and before that was, you know, Gangnam style. Yeah. Yes. So no baby, shark is baby. Sure because the new I'm gonna listen to maybe is this year's with? Does the FOX say, okay, except way worse the get worse. Right? Because gingham sell wasn't actually that bad. All things considered. It was. It was good. It was fine. What does the FOX. Say is hilarious. Little bit were a little bit worse than that. Right. A little bit more obnoxious and then now we've we've hit full obnoxious with baby shark, right? I can't wait to see evaded stuck in your head. Oh, it's awful. I need. I need to listen to Africa by TOTO a few times to get something cool in my head. Again. I'm gonna do right after this. Just put Africom. You choose for. Dude, that's a wicked song. Don't even start with me. If you don't like Africa. No, I like it. It just it interesting that choose to counter baby shark? Yes. You counter counter baby, shark with TOTO does awesome. Did you did you hear about this? So I have a Minecraft done. Mine craft dungeons. This is thing is this is crazy. It's like really clinging other game being announced by Minecraft by Microsoft called Minecraft. Dungeons in looks kind of isometric almost like Diablo. I'm wondering, okay, if it's going to be like Diablo, that sounds insight. It'd be cool. There's a lot of questions. No, they didn't really like say what it is or what it's going to be like. But if it was like Minecraft themed Diablo, but if you could build in it still, that would be that would be RAD. Yes. Like if you could build walls or or or break down walls and or. I don't know. So they're not exactly. It is. It sounds like a dungeon crawler. Okay. So it sounds like Diablo yet, but in in like Minecraft style, which I mean, I'll play that. Oh, yeah, for sure. Sounds look fun to me. It looks sounds like a cooler via. Yeah, so so this is this is interesting. It was announced add the mind con. So mine con which is like the Minecraft official Minecraft convention the convention in. Yeah, they call the Nicole Minecraft. Dungeons players can take on the world alone is part of a four person group sounds like Diablo in enhanced version of mine crafts familiar landscape of blocks, but the screen shot that comes with has very Diablo look, right? The isometric. Yeah, looking at it right now. It's interesting. It's cool. Look. I like it and like the graphics are just a little bit better, right? Yes. So it's definitely not Vauxhall like that's. Just an intentional graphic style. That's I don't think that's the same as a Vauxhall types design. So and then there was a night, an update, announced Minecraft update called village in pillage, which introduces new players. New u. n. p. c.'s. Oh, that's awesome. New people into the game, new people, librarian butcher they won. That was interesting. Was this when the the bar Burien 's oh, so there's people who are going to there's there's NPC's that will attack the villages. Oh, that said. So it's not just monsters that they have to worry about. Now it's the barbarians, poor, bright diesel attack the village. That's what I guess for guys forgot Yemen about doing there as they don't have to worry about with us with zombies nobody'll ruining their lives. That's exactly breaking houses or even worse. You know, what we say I used to do is, is crowd them all into one house and then locked them in it, oh, and well in the dark it if it's well, if it's one super bright guy, I always locked him in a little little block so that it could always come back at trade with them and also that so that they wouldn't get bird by zombie at night, you know? So it was kind of for their own protection was telling you about the goal sponsor that I built there that I built with somebody's that had them all like in like a little cage now up up top, and it made it was to simulate it being in a city. So it spawned iron golem. And then the burn the island Golan's and you get higher and it was like an iron farm. Oh yeah. But. You know, poor poor villagers, like what an existence, it's like the San Diego zoo, but for promoting crack. Poran BBC's point pedalled sort about him a bad life. What else do we gotta talk about your your, your conference? Yes. Next weekend's on Saturday. I've speaking and then also presenting at, I guess, both speaking and then doing a workshop at the conference, it's the Colorado congress of foreign language teachers. So that will be in the Denver area. Now be hanging around with Noah, Noah guys'll friend of the right. I forgot about that desk because he's, he's when I was sending up the when I was setting up the schedule for like the next month or so a podcast. I'm like, why is there a gap in what is supposed to be in that gap. We're doing a pod guys. Have you talked to know about this? Yeah, I have not. When he's always willing to do stuff so. So we should be Noah. Noah's hearing here for the first time that he's going to do the podcast with us next week. Yeah, and he's all about that. So we'll do it live live from Denver, Colorado it down baby, Noah's living room or something like that. Sweet. I'm excited about that first third time guest. I know it's a style over there. Noah. Guiso he is on the man. Yes, he is. All right. So that's next week. That's next weekend. Jens while. And your and your keynote is exceptional. I've read it Aquino yet. I'm still working on it because I want some more interactive elements I actually had to make them. Yeah, Yup. Yup. To the FOX song? No. The muck out in since it's a says, the language teachers. Just not knowing. No, it's just once but interactive elements where people can, you know, give their. Kind of give their input on several different things that have presenting about. So I think it is. I think it's going to go awesome in several people look at it including new so good feedback. So I think it's going to it's going to be a fantastic conference great educators there and hopefully everybody I meet a lot of people learn lot. Have you keynote at a conference before I have not not like this, not like where you not like where it's official in where you're actually getting up. But since I'm doing this month in October or this next month in October than I might as well do it again in November. I'm doing it again. Member members saying you're gonna. Are you gonna give the same, talk basic. I'm not. I'm going to use components of it, but the one that I'm presenting on November is a tech conference more suited to that. So I'm definitely gonna, you know, angle it at some tech elements more more kind of like about the things that we'd like to talk about, whether be game occasion, game based learning or just being innovative, you know, taking risks, those. Mario, that's. That's that one, but I won't worry about that until I get through with this one. One of the guests. Nice. That's awesome. What else you got going on while I was reading an article that's talked about the that over a quarter of US households, own one of the smart speakers. So I have what in my house too, and that was like it'll interesting whether or not we should be using smart speakers in classes. And so I've heard of this movement and there several different teachers who are using them, and it'll be interesting to hear more ideas about how that could be a useful component, you know, have some artificial intelligence in class and be able to answer kind of those Google kinda questions, but maybe even expanded beyond that. So I don't know what that would actually be. So it'd be interesting to hear from our audience. What are people using or how are they using sparks speakers in their classes? Have you heard of that? Mike? I I haven't. I, I would just use it to find out if there's going to be indoor recess. Yeah, for the weather, of course. Yeah. You what? Google is Google. Is it gonna rain in the next ten minutes? Yes, exactly. Yet to be able to do the weather different kinds of acid, but I've heard that this is a booming class went to hear more about, you know what? What specifically are using it for his whole base instead of doing a quick Google search typing something out. You ask it a specific question, whatever those things might be. That would be interesting. I GU Google home. I have two of them. We have a big one in the living room, and then we have the mini in the bedroom. We literally use it almost exclusively for the weather in the morning. I I've said, I use it for the alarm sometimes. Okay. And we play music every once in a while on it because the speakers are actually quite good. Like the at least the Google home speakers are what else have we done with it? We could hook it up to our nest thermostat. Yeah, but I don't think I don't think we've done that yet, and I do have it hooked up to turn off the TV. Oh, what are you fancy? Well. But I don't know what I use it for school other than checking the weather. I think there's some innovative uses out there. So I, I want to hear more about that. Maybe we can bring some stories back or even guest who who use this in some kind of innovative way because it's really cool time without to learn more, but it'd be cool to see how people are pushing it to beyond kind of what what we normally would use it for. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Awesome. While we are going to skip a much larger next segment because we have a special segment coming up. Next, we were interviewed by Dylan Rogers from innovation in tech today magazine, he came on our show and then we handed over control of the interview to him in he interviewed us and it's it's quite a bit longer. So this episode will be a normal length episode. But mostly now it's it's an interview. So when we come back, we'll be speaking with Dylan Rogers. On education is brought to you by teacher gaming teacher gaming desk is all in one tool kit for any teacher looking to use more games in their classroom and teacher game in just launched the dedicated Chromebook subscription bundles with twenty awesome games and I'm gonna tell you right now. It's only ninety nine dollars per class for year to get your whole class. You got twenty different games that could be played on a combo. How great is that? If you wanna learn more about teacher gaming, simply goats teacher gave me dot com to get started are welcome back to the podcast. We're joined by Dylan. Rogers. Dylan is the managing editor of innovation and tech today. Welcome to the podcast, Dylan. Thank you. It's great to be here. So we're doing something a little different this time. This is going to be a whole lot of fun. We know Dylan from from other things and Dylan got in touch with us. Recently and said, you know, we should. We should do some stuff together and we like doing stuff with people. Stuff is fun and Dylan know innovation and tech today is a is a magazine, and you guys do lots of stuff actually before you. We go into what's actually happening here. Why don't you tell us? I'll give you a chance to do a little plug. What's what's innovation in tech today? Dylan. Okay. So I am the managing editor, like said of innovation tech today. It's a an online in print publication. We have some subsidiary publications as well, and it's it's all about the way that tech is transforming the human experience. So you know, we cover different topics anywhere from you know, news in business and outdoor tech science. I mean, all all kinds of things. There's something there for everybody. So an education is a big part of that right education tech is such a big. I mean such a big market, but also just such a big driver in what's happening in the world today in its. That's exactly why I wanted to come on here and talk with you guys. Awesome. Okay. So this, this is what is happening. Dylan is actually interviewing us which is bizarre by we're gonna. We're gonna actually, just I'm going to stop talking, believe it or not. And. And pass it, pass it off to Dylan take it away. Dude. Awesome. Well, this is this is good. All right. So have you guys been interviewed him been interviewed on your podcast before, have you? I don't think so. Excellent was first for everything. So. Let's let's go and kick this off. So you'll want your pie. Your podcast on education in March twenty eighteen. And I remember when this happened and then all of a sudden it was just at the top of the education education technology podcast categories. First of all, what's that? Like. Glenn, what's that? Like. It's weird surreal. I would say. I mean, we do that there was a need. I thought we both thought that there was a need for this, but I didn't. It was going to be difficult to. I thought, the just kind of get the word out. That's actually probably the most difficult part is just trying to get what's people start listening to it. I think they really enjoy it. They like the topics. But it's, I didn't think it would be that quickly. That's a lot of people would start listening to it. How about you might seeing seeing ourselves on the charts? The first time was surreal. Like on I on the on the charts themselves, and then the first time we were number one on the charts was really weird. Like there is there is a lot of. Language back-and-forth between Glennon I, you know, we were excited like it was crazy. I couldn't. I couldn't believe it to be honest. So it was. It's pretty weird. I, I don't know what other word to use. It's it's obviously were honored and and love the people like it so, but, but it's it's been a weird experience that's for sure. So what was the reason for starting your podcast in the first place? I think Mike had the original idea because he approached me at school. Do next twin just after just after next? Yeah, teen. Yeah, it was a while back. Yeah, and I thought he was just crazy guy talking. I didn't really take it seriously, but then he came back. When did you actually start talking to be for real Mike November mail. Yeah, probably in November of twenty. Seventeen. And basically, you said, listen, things are happening over here like he was leaving his job and getting ready to move and start a new one said, you know, why don't we wait and talk about this more in like December, January of twenty eighteen. So I waited, I did want to do this alone. So this was my, I love podcasts. I listened to tons of them. It's really the only thing I listened to in my car, mostly politics, podcasts. But I mean a little bit of a of their things as well. And I wanted to do when I thought, you know, this is something I can figure out how to do. I think. So I, but I didn't want to do it alone. I wasn't as confident in my voice, I guess as I am now, but I mean, I certainly didn't wanna do it alone and and I was looking for someone that was interesting and smart in engaging, whoa. And then we go. I think a proposal. It's good to be Glenn, so so I approached him in. Yeah, we, we started talking about it seriously in January and worked for a few months and then and then in March, we kinda hit the the, go button on it, but it's been a lot of work. But you know, I think that the genre in the medium is there's very low barriers entry. It's easy for a lot of people to actually just get into and do being successful is a different story. But right, it's it's not overly hard, I guess what I know you guys have day jobs. So how many hours are you putting in a week on this? You think Mike puts in a lot more hours than me. Because he because he manages basically all of the business aspects of this, which I didn't know that there would be business aspects of his. Now there's a lot of different. Go ahead Ed, which is great. There's a lot of things though to deal with whether they be sponsors or anything else that has to do with gas or anything like that. Mike is managing a lot of those things. I mean, there's people that we both know or that we communicate. We're trying to get out to different people to try and get him on the show. But as far as the ins and outs of the business itself, Mike. Hells about the types spent on this. I mean, things are getting easier. Thank God. I think when we started, I was probably putting twenty hours a week into it. I was I was really working hard. The the, the outlines are easier to right now we, we kind of are paying attention. We've got a pattern down a little bit more, so I'm probably in between five and ten hours a week now, but I'm still putting in and I'm always thinking of things related to it. Even if I'm not physically actually at my computer typing or or something like that. So you know, it's a lot of work to do this the way the we wanted to do it. Now you can any almost anyone to be honest, can put her at a podcast, really, it is pretty get settled. Sounds like announcement your microphone. Right. And just start talking doing it at a with a production level and quality level that we wanted with. You know a level of discourse that we wanted is quite a bit harder and then to go places in do things like we would like to do or that we do. Like going to St. and we're going to FETC in in the winter in school. Do next those those things take work to get there like you can't just I mean, things cost money, right? And going to see Costas Costa four grand all total not money had to come from somewhere. So if if we wanna do stuff like that, you gotta work. You gotta make sure it's a good quality production so that you can get some sponsors in. We've been lucky with that super happy with the way that all of that is worked out for us. So you know, it's, it's been work, but you know, I I've said it a few times in the last few months, at least that I'm probably doing the best work on my life right now. I feel and this is definitely part of it. I'm really proud of what we've done. Very cool. So let's I wanted to back up a little bit. So in our previous conversation, you guys. You talked about how he had really different journeys to education to developing effective technology strategies in an ultimately coming in converging into the show. I was hoping you could tell me a little bit about that since Glenn. You've been talking I each time, Mike, let's start with you. I don't know if you wanna do that. Glen and I are both. We come from similar veins in in a lot of respects are game based learning backgrounds, our passion for video games in general, and and game a fixation. So so that's that's kinda where you know the the core, if there was like a core of the things that we have in common, those those are kind of the things that we have in common were pretty different in a lot of other ways that that's what makes the podcast a little more compelling is that that we do have slightly different personalities in a lot of other ways. But you know, my my pathway here is as a computer science teacher, Glenn is a language teacher in that's that's pretty RAD. I'm a big fan of glens work. And you know when I was thinking about who to to deal with on this, you know that that was a factor is that that we're in two different places. He's been teaching a lot longer than I have to. You know, I've actually only been teaching for about seven years so you know, actually in the classroom. So there's that as well. I have some other perspectives related to, you know what I was doing before I was teaching, but. You know, it's, it's just, you know, sometimes things just happened in workout. Maybe this is just one of those things. It's it's been a really cool experience. Awesome directed to talk. I'll let you speak. So so I actually think it's pretty cool once Mike and I actually started talking 'cause I mean, we really didn't know each other. The only thing we knew about each other was what Mike said. The thing that we had related which was game based learning, I game if occasion, concepts in passion we have for those things. And then we found out that we have a lot of other things in common with both are pretty liberal as far as politics. So we have that in common, but we also come from difference such different backgrounds in the US versus Canada. Kind of perspectives are interesting. I think, especially to our audience of headed a different people comment on that that they did get at the cool a back and forth between us. That's that's a bike shares kind of what's happening within Canada. What it's like to be a Canadian have healthcare system in and winner education system. Works, and then the different perspectives here as far as politics that are concerned within education itself. And then my background, I mean, I, I, I like to talk about that by inspiration for everything that has come through education as being a Spanish teacher specifically has been my mob who was a at immigrated sued nited states, and I always tell people she was illegal immigrants so that people understand that you know the the, the lies in missed being perpetuated about people who are coming here are not true most of the time. That's a lot of people come here because they want to better life at. That's kind of the story of the United States that I liked to make sure that people know that that that's my number one is bracelet as my mother coming to the United States is gang in basically giving us a my brother and I a better life than I like to to make sure I share that. Story with others, teachers, students, community members, and then just to so they can know that kind of like what might perspective is at why absorb passionate about teaching in passionate about the Spanish language culture, writing. You know, I'm curious also about at least a lot of the stories that I've heard, you know, working in education technology for while. You know, there's there, those aha moments when teachers are in it for a while. Or even maybe a few years, maybe they've been using education technology since the beginning or maybe it's something that they kind of picked up along the way. And I'm just curious if you guys have any any sort of moments or or could tell me, tell me like the what it was like before you really started effectively using technology versus win. You really got your groove in it. What? What was that like? I I've told this story a couple of times and and it's a little bit of hero worship, I guess. But I went, I was in teachers college in doing my be Ed. I read Kurt Squires PHD thesis. I don't know how it came up. I think I was talking about like games based learning in video games a lot like in my classes, but didn't really have like any academia to back up all my nonsense. And so I started kind of looking around. I'm looking for ammunition for these debates. I was having in my might be Ed classes on a wide thought. Video games could be used class. I found Kurt Squires paper on civilization, three and in history in teaching it using it to teach in elementary class. I was like, oh, my it was like it was like a lightning bolt in my head. It's like, oh my God, I could do this like this is real in. He's showing you me how to do it and it just it was like a light went off in my head and I in then I found other things. Then I found Jane mcgonigal's book in her Ted, talk on on how you know, video gamers are, you know these, you know, we should be cherishing these people in fostering this culture of game play because people who play games are dedicated to completing tasks in winning things in. We need people who. Are desperate to win because we have so many problems. We only lack of clean water, and we have oil that's disappearing, and you know, wars and famines in all of these things going on in, we need smart people to solve those problems in, you know, we solve those problems all the time in video games, to be honest. And so we need these gamers to grow up and become scientists and psychologists sociologists in astronauts in all of these things that we need to solve all of these problems and to tackle them as if it was that game that they loved playing when they were a kid that they spent hours and hours and hours. Just smashing, their lives against finish into beaten to beat that monster. And it was a, it was an earth shattering moment for me in my in my bachelor of education to realize that that yet I found like the proof I was looking for and and you know. You know, I've actually told Kurt because we've talked now which is weird for me. This is another weird experience of the podcast by heroes. Now we'll talk to me on Twitter and I've told Kurt my story about this in heat, he, he loves it. He thought it was great, but that's, I mean, that's what it was for me for sure. Have I, I think even before I got into gamification or game based learning, I was just wanting to push the boundaries of what could be possible inside of my Spanish classroom. So I've never been satisfied with. Even the previous year status quo. So I wanted to push those boundaries with whatever tech was available to me. And that started off with. You know, old tech like smart boards. It's Mike Pence discussions about the. And then and then it progressed too. I read a blog post by this guy named Chris Lous and he is attacked up, teach up chat tech. The teacher. Yeah, and his first block post that he wrote, I was like, oh my goodness. I love what this guy's talking about as far as how gained cow Cowie's using game. If occasion, he was basically telling us his journey and it was fantastic. His journey in his literature classes of how he was using game -cation. So I started basically emulating borrowing a bunch of things that he was using. And then one of just by happenstance, I was coaching basketball that year and my assistant coach, Toby. You should take a course by this guy. Dr Haskell in I was I, I really had my master's degree in. I was like, who is that in? Why should I take of? And it's like a is like, no, this business spend is right up your alley. And so the course is called a teaching learning digital worlds or virtual worlds. And I took the course just by the recommendation of my friend, I didn't need it or anything. I just was like, let's see what happens. And that was my odd moments because Dr Haskell basically had us as graduate students. Participating in class in these different virtual worlds, including mine craft. And so one of my first projects you want to call him that. Was building a world that then exploded, you know, as far as people wanting to know more about it, which was kind of this commerce world that built. So it would immerse my students in the Spanish language while they were role playing as difference careers within the world of Minecraft. And so I was just kind of borrowing a little combination of what Dr Haskell taught us, and then also what Chris Beal was doing, which was documenting what was happening because I didn't find anything online or on YouTube that anybody else was doing. Sounds like I'm gonna create YouTube videos and I'm gonna write down everything that I do and however it goes, it goes at it just happened to be that it's it became the thing that I was like, okay, this is something that I can do, and it'll it's something I could share with people how to go about doing this. And it really is making a humongous difference as far as for my classes, engagements, but also just the. The ability for my students to go to stay in the Spanish language, which was a big push that I wanted to make sure happened. He is selling himself short a little bit that he used. Mine also teach Spanish. It's crazy. Yeah, that's actually that was via moments with game affiliation is so Mike, you're talking about some hero worship, Glenn. I'm gonna take this opportunity here. Gamification was always something that I remember playing reader rabbit in school, and I thought I thought that that was that was like the pinnacle of one end and then seeing what you've done with Minecraft to teach teach the human body in Spanish. Okay. Bill, giant human body in Minecraft, and then build a a roller coaster, a working roller coaster that goes around that all all that. And then you videotaped it and everything that was. I mean that that was definitely. Just kind of, I don't wanna say, earth shattering. I'm not sure it was level, but man it was. It was something special that it definitely pulled the wolof Mayes jet in my students were just so ready to go ahead and take the sleep with me. They do. It was something strange in difference, but they were ready like they're like, yeah, we could do this. You know, this is going to be end and they were also willing to go ahead and play a long which is super important. When you're talking about playful, learning or games, vacation, whatever it might be that you gotta, especially with by high school students talking about sixteen to eighteen year old kids having to pretend that they're that their role playing different things in than staying again within the confines of the Spanish language, which can be very difficult. But it was almost like a fun game that we did every single day. So it didn't seem like it was actual hardcore learning which it wasn't in, which is super fund and learning was just, it was, you know, part of the of what. Was actually happening within the class? Yes, so that you know, that makes you wonder. So I started working educated technology in two thousand twelve gave Gatien game base learning, at least it was pretty niche as far as I could tell and I maybe I'm wrong about that. You feel free to correct me, but it it was on my radar. It wasn't like a. I'm not sure it'd taken off this the way it has now, but it is becoming a regular term in in the educational lexicon these days. So. How have you seen the growth of this? Like, what's what's that been like for you? Mike, go ahead and I think that it's, it's funny I I spoke. It is St. in two thousand fourteen on Minecraft, and I might have been one of the only sessions the had any serious games based learning element in it. And then you go to ST last year and it's everywhere. And I mean like the the booth alone for Minecraft. On the show floor was gigantic right? I mean, it's it's exploded and I think I try to remind people that it's not exploding without reason. It's not exploiting because I mean, there are some reasons in some of them have little to do with education. There is a whole generation of people growing up to be educators that played a lot of video games that coincides with, you know, people who were teens in their nineties in the nineties, playing that played video games constantly. And now those people are adults and can make decisions in our wanting to take their passions and use them, you know, in their jobs, I, I actually joke all the time that my goal in life is to bring my hobbies as close to my work as humanly possible and and getting really good at that. And I think that that's what a lot of other people are trying to do too. I mean, Glenn loves video games. You know. We have a lot of friends that are educators, love video games and grew up with them, and, and now we're just using them because we think that, you know, this is a fun way to work in to learn, but it it doesn't come without like backup, like I could drown you and paperwork telling you, you know, I, I use that term all the time, but I could. I could dump a truckload of journal articles on your desk now about how games base learning is effective in wide subjective and best practices and models. So it's not like it's it doesn't have any academia in its in its in its corner either. So and in the end, I, I mean, I think I say this probably every other every third podcast, but we need to teach kids where they are not where we want them to be. Our kids are home and they're doing the things they love, and we need to find a way to let them do the things. They love at school too. Because when they do the things, they love his school, they'll do whatever it is that they're doing better. And if we can find a way to get them to do their math better and their language better and their social studies better. Why? Why wouldn't you use whatever tool that is. And I think that those tools in a lot of cases are games, so that's, that's I guess, my two cents on that yet. So as a follow up on that. Glenn, it sounds like Mike is somewhat somewhat talking about is maybe someone a generational thing. Grew grew up with games. Therefore, I'm using games. I see. I see the benefit of that. Are there any other elements to this that you see in the meteoric rise of game based learning? I think that people have found out that. And and done studies and really done use it in classes in Burley, have some evidence behind why it is such an effective way of of teaching. And so it's not just like Mike just said, you know, yes, tons of research behind it now, and I think a lot of people are are now taking it more seriously, I would say. But then the other part two is that a lot of us are sharing hell to do it right also because there's a lot of things have talked about this that way did wrong. You know, getting started with game based learning of different things that we that we now were like, oh, we should have done this differently, which is anything in teaching, you know, specially at the beginning, but more and more people are willing to share those things, whether it'd be within articles or videos on YouTube or books that are being written by Matt Farber Dr Haskell whoever's writing these different books, they're actually talking basically. Now how do you go about doing this? And then when I go speak at places to teachers, I just tell them choose the things that you think will work for you right now and then make a long-term plan about those things that you can go ahead and use later on in your class with with some planning and another apart. Maybe a misconception to his is that this is easy to do in. It's not. It takes a lot of planning and maybe takes more planning than regular lesson plans to make it really Oneida. I, Mike, and I have talked. About this that we spend hours basically kind of play testing this, and we've in use some of our students in sometimes our children to be able to play tests what we're about to do in our classes because we don't want to basically use Minecraft in a way where we're ruining the game. So that's the number one element that I was tell people if you're gonna use something, make sure that it still has the element of fun in it that you have a blink by you haven't the ruined. That's bad part the play. Exactly, right. Mike that you haven't ruined. That's because then that sours that than for everybody else. So you wanna make sure you know, know what you're doing, but there's so much information out there about how to do it. There's lesson plans. There's all this things that highly encourage other teachers to to take the leap in at least try it at a very, you know, at a low level which would be like had a gamification kind of elements in your classes, which would be a kind of like Michael Montero. Describe. CBS than push yourself to to then say, okay, can I actually add games whether they'd be physical board games because you can use those two. They don't have to video games. We've seen tons of people using different adapting board games to fit into different things into the classroom, and there's some amazing examples of that too. So just kind of like being willing number one to go to do it than doing some background research at then being able to go implemented and take the risk. Board games are making a comeback, right? I mean, there are some pretty legit board crazy thing. So I predict that you're gonna see a lot of these same game base teachers that are individual games. A lot of them are also into board games and and I think you're gonna see, you know a bit of a renaissance on board games in the classroom, but not just playing, you know, commercial board games, but even like things like making your own board games. I, I've had this vision in my head for for years of getting a hold of a bunch of three d. printers, and then having kids create their own pieces in their own tools in their own items for a board game and making the board game themselves. We have that technology now, and I think it'd be that technology, longtime. I think that was a project that I worked on in like second grade. Well, not mistake, but you know what I'm saying? Like to make yearly grainy printing to take it and make plastic figures and stuff would be. I mean, it'd be RAD. I can't get out. Definitely definitely. How how do we adapt war hammer to education. On education is brought to you by audible. So I got to tell you about this book. 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So go do that like right. Now. Okay. So. You guys cover a lot of topics. You know, it's something that when I heard you were doing education technology, podcast education podcast. You know, I, I was kind of expecting it to stay. Or to to be more narrow in in kind of topics. But you guys, you guys tackle politics, gaming, obviously, k pop, even life itself. So do you feel like this this approach where you're you're treating education educators as as more complex? Multifaceted varied interest is is long overdue for the space. Mike, I think. I think a lot of our our feedback that we got. Well, first off, I, we covering the politics in particular very early on when just Glen and I were talking and stuff. We realize that I, I mean, thank God. I guess that we aligned very well politically pretty similar political views and that that was a relief. I guess. I hadn't really even thought of it to be honest until I thought about it. And I was like, oh my God. What if he's a, he's a crazy right wing Republican guy. Interesting though, too. It might have been interesting, but it would have been alive. I don't know if I could get on the air and argue with every day. So I, I mean, that's been interesting, so, and we're passionate about this stuff like a specially about the politics, and we do realize that it's important. It's not just important for. You know society in general, but it's important for education, and it's important that we have those conversations, but also one of the things that has come up in it. It's been part of our, not our marketing so to speak. But we've used the term this is kind of like the lunchroom a little bit in the sense that I think that some of the feedback I've gotten is that people like that we don't just. Hi, welcome. We're going to talk about education today in we're going to talk about assessments, you know, people like that. We don't do that 'cause they're stir our podcast, the do that. We listened to them and we didn't want to be that we wanted to to have fun. We wanted to laugh. We wanted other people to laugh and to talk about things we liked to talk about, but then we still have serious conversations. But education, we're still having detailed conversations with people and we wanna talk to the smartest people about, you know, the. Most timely in interesting topics. I think that's what we've done. It's about balance, and I think that you know, I'd loved talking to refrains Davis vocab and we found, I mean, we turn that into a really good conversation, but education. If you listen to that episode, we talked about how that relates to education than how kids should be passionate about. I think to what might it was just saying that people's reactions, at least what they've told us either. Through our reviews, or they told me to my face is their favourite parts are just me and Mike talking back and forth on a variety of different topics. Sometimes arguing sometimes agreeing with each other, but basically talk doing the. The really showing that teachers are very, have a diverse array of topics that they're interested in. So it's not just specifically education is not specifically just the politics in education, but it's a variety of different things that we might be interested in at tech. And so we try to pick out different topics of those in sometimes our conversations just in the getting steered to other things, which is awesome. I think those are the best conversations that we have, which then feel I think they give give people a connection to us than to more. It's like we're more attentive because we wanna make sure we have an authentic conversation between us hundred percent in speaking of that. So in his brought been brought up before anyone who's listening to podcasts knows. Probably that Mike, you're in Canada, Glen, you're in the US, and so that that gives your discourse about education politics. An interesting dynamic. Do you do you feel that educators should should be more openly discussing these. These ideas about politics these days, and and you know, even with such a broad audience as you are. I think that it's important to talk about the politics. It's important to talk about. American politics for me. I, I mean, I I know more about US politics than any Canadian. That's so true and. And I'm I practice pretty legit amounts of restraint. I feel on this podcast because I'm angry. I'm losing it up here over what's going on down there because what goes on down there affects what goes on up here in tons of ways. Not just like the NAFTA and that kind of stuff in immigration. I mean, we can talk about those things, but even just like society in general, the toxic city of the dialogue. Is starting to filter up here and they're taking their cues from Donald Trump, and it's our mission slip to be the biggest jerk that you can possibly be and and there's there's no getting around it anymore. It's and so we're having to deal with it and and this filters into education in so many ways, you know, hiring people in charge of education that are completely unqualified to be in charge of education, and it's it's down there. And now it's happening up here too. I mean, we've talked about the election. And how we elected Doug Ford and it's it's beyond me how that happened, but it did. And so now we have our own issues to deal with in terms of conservative government. That is that is really doing some pretty serious damage. If any of our listeners wanna go look up with Doug Ford's doing to the to the health slash sex Ed curriculum in on -tario, you'll you'll see some pretty pretty serious damage in. He's only been in office for like four months. It's important to talk about the politics. This stuff affects us. It affects our kids. I have kids to go to school. Glenis kids go to school, and we want our kids to have every opportunity and the best education possible and politics impacts that in. So it's important that that we talk about that in if I'm Canadian. Listen. Like I just said, I don't care that I'm Canadian talking about. American politics. You know, if you have a problem with him saying about US, politics come on the show and come out, fine. Let's let's go. I mean, I'm good. So I mean, I I would I would love. I would love to have contrary opinions. Maybe they're afraid to me. I don't know what I what I think is an interesting dynamic between Mike Inez. Is we have to a lot of times in the United States as as teachers be careful with what we say about politics. I think I think that that's a very, it's it's like an unspoken rule of because we have a country that split between two completely opposing sides of of the political spectrum and add lots of people in the middle between this two spectrums that that shift one way or the other depending upon on on the the year, the election year. So I think it's hard to talk about. So this is kind of a, I thought, this was kind of a nice platform to be able to do that and be able to kinda just let people listen any that they agree or disagree, and people have told us that they listened to the podcast, but they disagree a lot with the politics. But that's what I tell Mike, too, is that. It's hard to understand how. How why? The gap is between the two political sides. And so because it's so wide, it creates a lot of tension in people just really don't want to talk about it. You know, it's one of those things where you're like, is it safe to say what I want to say here? Or should I just keep my mouth kind of that thing? So gives them a forum to be out to listen to these things in MBA, go at him and do something about it, which we always talk about, hey, you know, you can go ahead and write your legislators. You could talk to them. They work for you in of course, when it comes time to vote, vote on on the topics that matter as educators and here they are. We presenting those things too. One thinking about, you know, having this, this has been a great platform for you. You know, it's working in education. I don't. I don't know about in Canadian education as much. I know in US educating can be really frustrating. And I mean, there's so much pressure responsibility in there's Glenn is you're saying there's not always an easy way to vent because there's that unspoken rule maybe to not not talk about it or or, you know, a lot of times teachers or educators feel like they're Nyland right? They don't. They don't really have anyone talk to. It's less though these days. I think since said tech has been, you know, really bring everyone into communities, but. You know how other other than the politics. How has this podcast been a cathartic experience for you? Mike? I mean, I'll tell you the venting about politics has been a cathartic experience for me. So I'm glad I get to come on somewhere in. Complain for a little bit anyways has to listen. Yes, I have a captive audience. I'm sure they fast forward a year. You have the ability. Oh, Mike's talking again, let's move on. I, I've enjoyed this a lot. I've enjoyed talking and getting ideas. We've talked to some of the coolest frigging purely people like. I mean, I think it really hit me when we had Paul Davar Zeon and he wrote a blog post for us and we read that thing and it was like, oh my God, this this is own might get so good. I didn't even know like, and then we talked to him and he's like, it's like so good. It was amazing, and it inspired me and and refunds and and Steve and Mike Cohen. And all of these people that we've talked to have just inspired the hell outta me and I'm just I get up and I'm wanting to do even half as close as good a job as they do at what I'm doing. So I mean, that's what that's it's definitely got me going. I think about what these guys are doing in the mornings and what they're doing at work, and they're, they're inspiring. And so I'm trying to go and do the same thing work just as hard or harder and keep up with some of these folks because it's it's hard keeping up. But you know, that's when you know you're doing. The best work is is when you can keep up with some of the folks that we've talked to your baton at a whole different level. And that's also awesome. I mean, the perspective of being able to have these amazing educators out there them sharing their ideas, and then this huge audience being able to listen to those getting inspired just like Mike just was saying, but giving our audience, the ability to kind of take a peek into what is refunds Davis really thinking about what does she what does she get passionate inspired with, which was completely different. It win a completely different direction than we ever thought is far as the interview. But it actually ended up being super powerful to say, hey, what Pete teachers are very diverse beings and that's okay. We want that to be want people to be passionate about a variety of things not just be worked Centric. I think a lot of people have pulled us that several guests have said, I need to make sure that I take a step back away from work, and then that I make sure that I'm a whole person, and that's a great message to share with our audience in all of our teachers out there who like you just said, Dylan sometimes are isolated live, they work in live in a silo. So we want to make sure that they could hear these messages of what it could possibly be. And then how do you go about doing those things. Very cool. So do you, do you think that more educators should be taking advantage of of this golden age of podcasting? No, you don't wanna competition. Mike. I think it's a great way to. Candidate. That's not the answer. I was expecting. I think it's an awesome way to reflect its it. I think it's for me, it's a lot easier than writing what Mike is a very, very good writer, but it's easier for me to just speak at talk about my ideas that it is to go ahead and put down eloquently, for example, blog post. So it's an easy way to be able to get your ideas out in. Like Mike said, there's a lot of different ways of being able to go ahead and make this happen record it and being able to publish it and send it out to the world. So that other people give to hear your story, your journey in your teaching career. If you're a communications teacher or a media teacher in high school and you're not doing a podcast. Ron, like a mean flat out. This is an awesome project. I mean, it'd be amazing for a high school too. Have a podcast and you could it is not hard folks to do this to be to do it like like just to get it up and going, it's like, get a soundcloud account and some microphones and writing outline and then and then learn as you go. But I mean, what a great project this would be for any, I'm I mean, I say at the high school level because high school students could probably kinda do it on their own. If it was at an elementary level, you could still do it totally. You would just have to hold their hands a little bit more in and walk them through it a lot more guide it. But I mean if for any community group, any educators community, I mean, a lot of them are doing it already, which is great. But I mean, this is it's an awesome project to just get into, and people should be doing it for sure. So for those those who are just starting out. Whoa. What would you tell them apart from? Obviously, mentioning that it's easy technically, what advice would you give them getting started that you've learned along the way? I think the outline is really important, at least at the start we worked really hard on the outlines in the beginning we were. It was taking us a week to put together a really good outline and it's like we're both Glennon. I both on and outline page right now on Google docs and our outline page is four pages long. It's got your questions on it. It's got, you know, our notes, it's got production notes. It's got our advertising notes. It's got other content on it and it, but it was even longer when we first started. You know, we were writing six, seven, eight page outlines until you get into the habit of of of how to do it in develop a pattern in a rhythm. The outline is is critical and then but then being able to present that outline as. If you didn't have one is I guess the next part. That's that the performance side of this has always been an interesting aspect to me because I thought I would suck at it a lot more than I do because I actually have a phobia of talking to people in large crowds, like doing the presenting stuff is St. in school do next. I don't like doing those things. I do them because I'm trying to push side my boundaries in my box and learn how to get better at those things. But but the this talking into a microphone is has been a really interesting in fun experience for me, but yet the outline and then performing the outline is if you didn't have one is probably a printing day, having compelling topic, something compelling, the talk about on a consistent basis so that you build up an audience. So I think that would be the combination of those things. You then have something good. You have product people wanna. Listen to it. Something compelling to listen to talk about then. You're run into something. Yeah. And I think just to add to that. Not only is it compelling, but it's also something that you're passionate about. You never know what people are going to be passionate about you right in just doing doing something, putting it out there. There's there's some. There's some crazy things out there. I can't think of any off the top of my head just that that you could build a coalition of people who are interested in this year. The people who do the podcasts. I think that when when when interviewed podcasts or or different media in their interviewed, you know how it started a lot of times. I mean, very often. It's like we just started doing this because we wanted to write. We were passionate about this topic and we had no idea. It was going to blow up like this. I think they often come from humble roots. So we. When we talked to our hosting service is not a normal hosting service, we we pay for it, but it's a closed community. You have to be invited to be on it and the hosting service. We deal with hosts, some of the biggest podcasts on the planet. You know pod, save America and NPR not NPR, but New York Times the daily are all hosted by these guys. And I when we first started, I got on a call with them and I said, listen, there are eight million teachers in North America, and don't you think that some of them are gonna wanna listen to a podcast about teaching and they just went. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And that's that. That was what goddess kind of in that door, which is, which was hilarious. I think that there is a constituency for this and it's growing in, oh, exponentially, and were couldn't couldn't be happier with with how things have gone. So just thinking back if you could. Okay. So you're here now you're at the top nowhere to go from here, right? You we, we. You could get a. We could be topping, I know, I know. But then looking back at your former selves, what would you tell your former selves? Just starting out, what advice would you have for them? Maybe if there is a particular thing you ran into, you don't go down that road or whatever it is. How would you what? What would you tell your your past selves who are just starting to really good question, Mike, you got an answer. I I, to be honest, I'm still, I still don't think I'd do this as well as I could. I think I'm still wordy Clinton attached to that. I think. Too much. You know, and I talk for a living these days, but I'm still trying to get us into a better pattern. There's still work to do. There's all listen. If you're if you're not constantly trying to improve, then you know. So I mean, there's, there's, I always listen to these things in see where we could do better. So I, I mean, well, we spend a decent amount of time at the top of the Ed tech charts and stuff like that. There's there's a lot of room to grow still, and you know, were wanting to just keep getting better at it. So I'm still thinking about ways. I would come in for herself to just relax during the because the initial podcasts were. Kind of robotic on my end just I just wanted to make sure I followed the script than I was saying certain things or blah, blah, blah, whatever might be, but really the the best thing for anybody doing this ad for myself starting at the beginning with just if you just relax, just have a normal conversation that you'll great things will happen because that's what this is about. Just basically having a conversation on interesting topics and in having a back and forth dialogue, which I think has been the best part of how we've grown through the, you know, for the last few months. Very cool. Well, hey, guys, this has been awesome. It's been very, it's been a pleasure mind. You know, I've, I've had this. I've had my own podcast equipment for a while and I've never used it for a podcast if you can believe it. So this this is the first first opportunity. I've gotten a it. It's. Honor to talk with guys. It's really cool what you're doing and just awesome. Keep going. Thanks for. 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A Westbrook Debate, NBA Sleepers, Unbreakable Records, and LaMelo Sliding Doors With Ryen Russillo
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It's time we're starting our sunday night. Nba podcast week early. There's just too much going on little twist just for this week before we get into the playoffs. Russillo is going to host this not me so when we come back after pearl jam ran russillo be driving this but i drives a little different where i'm going to host bills pod on sunday. Massive prep bought a rundown stuff back before. Or we are taping. It's seven pacific. Time so lakers suns just about to tip off Which has impact on seating which. I think plays where we're going to start with this. Even though phoenix's two zero against the lakers this year The first game. No anthony davis game. No anthony davis lebron. When i look at the seating and kind of starting the conversation around what am i confident about. I'd like to be carson edwards checks into a basketball confident but a more like christopher malta. Sanni gets in a car with polly confident. That's that's kind of where. I'm at right now where i think there's things i i know but there's very little that i feel confident about you. Love how carson edwards goes into these garbage time south the games and carries himself like he's a in two thousand one. I've never seen a guy with less an established. Nba career be like arts. Tom i think a lot of people have congratulated him for that. One march madness right. He had a purdue and he's just kind of carrying it over There's so much has happened. Even since i did some stuff on thursday. Basically now the lakers are looks like they're going to be the seven seed It looks like we are now really headed for lakers. Words like this is a thing that's going to happen in a playoff game and it looks like the celtics are just seven. That's how it's gonna play out there playing charlotte team and now milwaukee who's like we're feeling great. This is awesome. We really got a lot of momentum. They have to deal with miami. Who i don't wanna play in a planned series of sorry i just don't that's the one that jumps out right because know we have. We have over the years that we've done this where you're like okay. Well this team would play this team. And i'm like it's a little early with a week ago when you start seeing how some of this could potentially lineup. That's one of the. That's one of the headliners jumps out at you wear. Were all excited about milwaukee again. Although i still think it should be tempered a bit. The nets games when there's no harden and the latest on harden was a couple days ago he said he's definitely gonna be back for the playoffs. Were like okay any day now. So i like those winds. We can't get crazy about it with heart. And but if you're milwaukee after what happened last year i mean you can say. Hey we're different. We've got drew holiday and all these different things. I feel like the miami part of it. Maybe they were so dominant in moments against boston today and they control that gains route even with boston making a run there. There's there's an idea that miami's completely figured it out. If you look at their numbers they're still kind of middle of the pack. Abc glasses recently right. So if they're healthy great and we know what they can look like so i don't know i don't know if that's exercise the demons for the box or if you're like are you serious. We could play those guys again. I don't answer is so there's two teams that standout one in each conference for the other team going. Oh shit are you serious. We gotta play these guys denver. The denver in the west having to play dallas. I think the other one. Because lucas now in shape dallas. I went back. I really did research. I think both of us were just bored today. For mother's day i was still doing research The the the record since the twentieth game so you throw out the first twenty games this season okay. I like this. But by the mother's day i met like you would have thought i was waiting on my wife hand and foot doing all this stuff but i. I kinda did that yesterday. Because i knew i had to. You know i had the pod today. Flip mother's day a little bit tied it up my garage a bit as if i were married. Oh that was smart. Sprint move So if you throw the first twenty games and you took the records here's your top five in the in. The east phillies thirty. Three and fifteen brooklyn's thirty two and sixty milwaukee's thirty one and sixteen miami thirty in eighteen knicks twenty nine and eighteen if you go to the west phoenix. Thirty seven and ten. Which is the best record. Neither conference utah. Thirty five or thirteen denver. Thirty two and sixty in dallas. Thirty one and sixteen clippers twenty nine hundred seventeen dallas. I don't think anybody has even had an official conversation on because you know there's been weird porzingas stuff with them all your they start at eight thirteen but dave hit the point with me where i'm like i'm not positive they're better off with porzingas like if you watch them. They actually can kind of play better when he's not clogging up the middle or you know i just wouldn't wanna play them in a series because luca i feel like if it's four at a seven. He could have four really really awesome games in a series and they could win three of them. And then you never know so anyway. Back to my point like i think miami is the is the scud missile team in the east and i think i think dallas is the scud missile team in the west reelect shit. We're gonna play these guys. We just fought to get a top four seed now. These guys are here. Faulk the dallas one is is worth bringing it up here because when they get off to a bad start. It's almost just written off the entire season. The present as part of it. I'm with you. I think they would probably say that. Specific matchups were present is can do by opening things up for people offensively. If there's another big you don't want like if it's a rudy gobert and they have to deal with him and anthony davis or something like that where you're trying to pull them away a little bit. Then he asked all. I would be somebody that you would want but dallas if you go every sort it all different ways time to try to figure stuff out but you go last fifteen games. Dallas is eighth in net rating in the nba. But when they're on the marquee game depending on if they win it's like lucas amazing which he's always amazing but when they lose it'll be out. Its to luke dependent and yet they throw everything at him. I mean carlyle I think webber asking the questions like. Hey how's luca handling the double teams and carl's like You know he's seen him by now. Chris was like being nice as he possibly can see. Web asked that bad question. Not touching that one I look they're not sidelined guys was. Let's play that way. Yeah so the dallas part is overlooked in. I i feel like the dodgers criticism is at least something to think of. When you're that predictable is an offense. Even though their offensive numbers have been incredible now for two years. There's four guys. Everyone has pencilled. In for. I t ambience. He's one of the four their thirty one and fifty now and their lasts forty six games so they have to be taken seriously and then on the flip side. I really wanna talk about miami. A little bit because You know i keep doing the all. Nba stuff every week. Now now we're a week away. I think this has been the hardest on. Mba thing. probably that we've had to do with all this games. We've covered a lot of the reasons why it's so hard but zach last week. We were texting about it. And he's like. I think i have butler in there. I'm like really rare. How did he miss too many games and looked at it and he's just basically been twenty two seven and seven With incredible efficiency. And he's one of the best perimeter he might be the best perimeter defender at that position. Other than simmons and table When he really wants to dial up the that stuff he was doing today against the celtics was rip your heart out stuff and he was just in control of that entire game he took one shot in the first half by the way and five other guys had double figures in the first half but i still felt like he was controlling the game. They know i'm with. Yeah so when you're talking about all the. I'm starting to gravitate toward like i just wanted to try to end up with the fifteen best players. If i possibly can and butler is is one of the best players in the league to best ten to twelve. Lebron lebron's in there obviously and lebron fortunate i think is going to be a third teamer. Just because he's just missed too many games at this point But the butler peace and the fact that that team's been there and we've seen this over and over again in the nba playoffs. You see it in football playoffs to where like that team. I just don't wanna see them in january the bucks and football last year and even though that was a new team it was still they had the pedigree with brady and they just had a lot of town. You're like fuck. I hope hope we don't play those guys in january. I feel that way about miami. If i'm walkie. I just have wanted to miss them. I would want to see the celtics. They would have killed the celtics. And now they're gonna have this really hard series followed by brooklyn and then if you win that one. Now you gotta play philly at. That's a fucking gauntlet. They're not gonna beat. They're not gonna win three rounds in row. I don't think with that when that's the garlic unless somebody gets hurt. Miami would probably focused on the wrong guys. You know because we were like was here. We're going to take the next step. And then he has this kind of disaster stars and really hitting shots and by the way. He wasn't even part of the closing group today against boston. 'cause boston cut it to twelve. I think they got under double digits there too and it never really felt that scary for miami because they're the better team and bam is like the worst possible matchup for the celtics. I mean they had robert williams back and it's that same stuff that was happening the playoffs where it's like they run those curls. It ran out of a timeout. Where it's all this action were bam's actually gonna trail the play and that he's going to get the alleyoop and you have to find a way to like help but stay with him and when you don't stay with him Tristen it's it's lights out. But in there and their shooters people are just leading. The shooter shoot hoping they mess because here in robinson have been you know little if you're than they were in the playoffs and bam still getting shot. That's a big thing with them. 'cause like it hasn't been great but butler has sneaky put together like the best season. He's had in the efficiency sale of his right. And then bam has taken a jump where last year he was getting all the love and they make the nba finals and all that. But he's even better this year. So even though i look at like the last fifteen either kind of middle of the pack defensive offense efficiency net rating and that kind of stuff and you said they had some bad losses there the nightmares from milwaukee. And as you mentioned their path philly you could basically if they get the one seat you pencil. I'm in pennsylvania. The next finals right because they'd be playing some combination of boston or charlotte all right or washington ironically washington's probably the scariest matchup for them. Do you realize it. Washington last fifteen games. They are fifth net rating their number five an offense and then you're like okay but they don't play their six defense. So and etsu big is that throw against embiid as opposed to zero for the celtics. Yeah i mean the celtics part of this is already know it's over. I mean i could do a minute or two. Marcus smart's disastrous game again later. It doesn't matter it doesn't none of it matters. But the way you break this down for philly and if i were to add something i think that i know that i think atlanta's more talented than an ex. I i believe. The hawks are more talented than the knicks. Great this on thursday atlanta has too much firepower for them so sorry. I'm sorry knicks fan. So you're gonna lose that sears. If you're philly wizards charlotte boston. Whatever in indiana. Then if you don't wanna play the wizards out of those four. Is that really the answer. Your worst case scenario is the wizards which by the way. If the wizards won both playing games they'd be the eight seed and they would play philly. And if philly like what the fuck now we gotta go against bill and westbrook and they have lopez and gathered. They got twelve thousand throat. Embiid and not is not going to matter. It's not going to bob. You're saying it's it's that's not a ten seed is no but you know. The wizards had a disastrous. Start of the season. I think there were three and fifteen. The missed weeks of games and with a record Their last forty eight or twenty seven and twenty one. Is that terrible. You know you throw in three and fifteen. That's the thing like with dallas. Douse was eight thirteen but was having a year from co bid lucozade of shape Powell hurt cleber was hurt. Keep going and going. And now they're kind of who are who they are washington westbrook. Whatever was wrong with him. The first month the season they sorted that out. And then this gaffer d- injection they got is nuts. This get this guy who gives them twenty to twenty five minutes of above average center play. Who's better they but the celtics have and then it's kind of like if any of their swings make a couple of threes. They feel like they can hang with any team lead. They're never like behind by twenty thorough. Is like in control of something. And then westbrook who i guess. Maybe after we'd take the first break we could do our westbrook thing but like that fucking place hard him and bill those guys if it's those two and a playoff series they're gonna think they're gonna win. It's a joke. we always have about like. I can't believe i can't believe the confidence to the. They're they're going to think they can beat philly they really will. Boston will not think they can be. Yeah the the west per topic which gets a little bit later is still a delicate one. I mean now it's these numbers are so absurd and what he's been doing. I mean even the national broadcasts is like how come westbrook is getting more. Mvp love this will be an all time record for guys mentioned as somebody that should be. Mvp the nothing will ever top this season. Rich climate had a tweet. Shout out the rich. He he wondered. Why kyrie wasn't getting consideration. And that's why. I thought we peaked. Well maybe because he left the team twice. That would be one of the reasons but yeah Kyrie is will not be on my mvp but yeah you're right. There's twenty mvp kit. It's this year right every week or so it's like. Hey you know and then we used to always do this on the talk. Show where taking you guys. Just don't talk about iowa football enough. What do you mean. it'd be like were granted. They went undefeated in the regular season. That when you're but Other years either you can pick any team. Any conference grew. Like how come you guys. Just don't you know. Texas doesn't get enough credit and then we'd be like all right here's credit for texas a and m. there you go we you. We didn't we do this with utah like six weeks ago. We we had to do our week of utah podcasts because they were crushing everybody now. It seems stupid. Phoenix has a better record than them in the last forty eight by two games. Yeah look at the game and a half out or game and a half hour utah but utah. Mitchell is going to be part of the reason. Why if they get caught they get caught which is another good first round deal here because phoenix if the lakers take care of golden state. Which if they have lebron eighty back they should be golden state probably by a lot. You never known one game with steph curry start sizing up matchups and all. This stuff like lakers aren't going to lose that game if those guys can breathe and run. That's all castrophe for gold state. A it's almost like the load management was staff for that game and just save him for the other playing game. Say yeah we're going with ubaid wiggins. I see you got play him because they're obviously gonna play twenty four points the first quarter last night he he could put up like fifty three against them. Who des yeah. But who's going to defend them on the lakers. He could score all those guys. Yeah yeah. I looked dornam last night. It didn't matter. I mean it does matter. It doesn't matter right now. A step so i don't care who you have so if you're phoenix and that's why that you know the clippers saying today we're going for the three seat like we wanna stay here okay. Because you'd want portland if you're in the first round more so than i think you'd want dallas. I don't think that's any debate at all especially with the clippers wings having georgia quite healthy against portland's options. Defensively sign me up on the clippers and the clippers despite the in and out you look ahead both guys back today and they lose to the knicks and it was really impressive randall. Game again But the clippers offense they six guys. I think over forty percent from three which has never happened before an nba season. I mean it's just keep doing all right. Not buying clipper stuff then. I'm just not buying it so you think they'd lose to dallas if it were three six. No i actually think dallas. It'd be a pretty good match up for them. But what about islands a worse matchup for portland. I mean i assume portland's the one out that at the Added at the top seven. That i take the least. Seriously right yeah. It just doesn't seem like it. There's just a lotta carmelo. there's there's a it just seems like you can get any shot you want against them. Their kids has never seen healthy. When was the last time nurse was healthy. I can't even remember when i was ago. I noticed with him. I i go why you keep waiting for discounted come back you keep waiting for all the stuff. Look zach colin things even more of a joke And i like what norm powell gives them but it was clear they were just like looked pals and offensive upgrade even if it's a rental over trent and we're just going to try to guard you to death with offense and hope it works is really not anything else they do. I think they would regret that shrink. Trade would be my guess right pals gutter player in trend and but they're going to lose pow. He's not gonna be in that team next year or if he's on that team they're gonna have to pay not with a cap space. That's out there is probably gonna be a number where they go yeah. They're going to let him go. It'll be like a bogdonovich thing. Yeah the i think the the dallas thing is so interesting to me. Because i hadn't even really thought of them until today when let's see that's your squad to know. Yeah it was. Just i just kind of given up because the porzingis thing because you just think like well if they can't get this right and he's just never really could be healthy. I'm not going to bank on them to win. Three playoff rounds. But now you look at it and it's like what team do you feel. Good about you know. Even the lakers. Who i would still bet my life on to win the west if i had to the lebron thing so he's still missing games and now we're a week away and they. I just find it hard to believe that they were like no. It's cool will play in the play in game like nobody wants to be in the plane game. You just never know you know so i. I don't feel great about that team. I haven't haven't the fact in their last forty seven twenty three and twenty four granted. Lebron's missed a bunch of those but still that's two thirds of the season. They're under five hundred. You know and and i think those role guys that you kinda like. That's like you're seventeen million for coups and he's getting better on defense but still rope. Wear shooter still a really good role player In less that lebron davis unless those two pieces. They're running on all cylinders. That team seems beatable to me. I i go back to what i told you three weeks ago. Phoenix is the perfect round. Catch him at that. The player play 'em plamen round one. I don't wanna see them around three when everybody's healthy in. They're running on all cylinders. I wanna when catch them early when they're still kind of trying to figure out who they are what they're doing because it's been the second longest active drought now in the nba. Behind sacramento of fourteen years of penises at ten years that they would be like cool to seven. Lakers faulk and wanna play portland. I'm just saying they're going to have to go through the lakers. At some point. I would rather catch them earlier than late. I rather somebody else. Try to catch him than me. That i just don't think size wise i match up with them as well and who knows like they may end up. It'll be a weird deal because people if that ends up being the two seven and people are gonna say like oh. Look at this though. Phoenix won the season series. Three zip your like none of that is relevant and no result is relevant. Here the lakers. But the difference with the lakers and nets is. I don't know why. I'm supposed to be at to continue to give the benefit of brooklyn where i understand. Everybody given the benefit of the lakers. Like i don't wanna write them off at all. I can't i just can't i mean i'd have to. And the only thing that i think is a little weird remember about lebron never going to be a hundred percent and again maybe he knew he was just screwed for the rest of this year. Just a theory working theory does high sprained ankles are brutal and they always say it's like four to six weeks but it always seems like it lingers for more than that and you talk about brooklyn you know i know you watch. Denver broke on saturday night. I cannot believe how involved blake is on that team. He was guarding yokich. All crunch time by the way doing a good job. But i. I don't have any confidence that that guy could make it. Through the next ten weeks said eight surgeries the whole reason. He became available bio guy because his body was breaking down so they the he went from being like this luxury like oh cool it'll be blake griffin aren't team we'll see if he can rejuvenate are his career little bit and he could come off the bench for us to like he's like legitimately important for them and to me. That is very dangerous. Because i don't feel like you can count on him elsewise eight. The party pooper but I just think that's the the amount that they're relying on him in. These games is kinda shocking to me. Offensively i can't believe anytime. He goes to the basket or posting up that anyone doubles him. Yeah i do like the w never happen. yeah quickly sons lakers. I don't know if you'd know this. But chris paul and lebron our friends. That's going to probably come up. Is that new. Yeah was it just found out there. Good friends who never should have played together. Despite the rumors that there are always going to end up together that not one of the worst pairings where we one of the worst basketball pairings where you would go now. Let bow smart enough that i guess. There's an element where they could kind of figure it out but over the long haul of three seasons. The just be so redundant well. That's why the bullet dodge with chris. Paul and two thousand eleven right. She goes to play with kobe. I i still feel like that would have been a catastrophe. That would have been worse. Because i think park in understand plan off the ball with somebody like lebron where he would respect lebron's playmaking where off kobe. He'd be like cool. I've got the best seat in the house to wash. I'm just gonna watch would've why why don't they break. Would you believe one man. Change the boundary of france and all throughout history forever. We'll tell you that story next this episode of the bill simmons podcast brought to you by ziprecruiter. Great team started great talent but finding the right people can be a challenge. Especially if you're a business owner who's hiring look. Look at the nfl right now. Imagine the patriots trying to rebuild their crappy team. What they do. They spent a lot of money in free agency. The kept their draft picks. Try to do some moves there and tried to rebuild things on the fi- it's really hard. 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And he's he's put up this insane run. I know i always have my props to them because some other things we will get to. But he's he's a very complicated guy for me to talk with other people about. I guess i would. I would set up. Because i don't want to be negative about what he did because what he did is insane. So that part is insane i am. I'm i'm with you. But i guess there's always a deal where again. I'm already to negative on the minute end of this. And i'm too negative so i want you to take over for me because i don't know that you love matana either but i feel like i'm ruining the moment i'm now i'm now a little more glass half full on westbrook than i used to be. Okay i think. He's been unbelievably entertained. In this year for better and worse. He's a guy who i remember i man. It was two thousand twelve playoffs on our wrote that piece about him. Being the ninety deal to ninety ten guy where it's like every mba player has ninety percent stuff you love and then there's ten percent and for some people it's not that glaring and then for other people it's just like banging you over the head with a baseball bat and his ten percent has always been the most glaring of anyone and you see it just on display all the time in these games where i say it on my pot on thursday. You know he's the he he looks like one of the best ten ford. I forty six minutes of the game players in the week and then the last two minutes. He's probably one of the worst. It just makes terrible decisions. He's sometimes just a train wreck and then he can lose a game win it lose it and win it all in the span of four place. You'd never know what's going on. It's been so fun to experience it through house. I've because i've never really been good friends with somebody who's had to root for this and house is like it's like he's in the labor delivery room after. His wife gave had a eighteen hour childbirth. After every wizards game this is like just the westbrook experience. The game thursday. He was all over the map and then some reason intentionally filed with the lead. To get six foul saturday he is terrible shock gets fouled to win the game makes both free throws which i knew he would cause he's weirdly clutch and got the keep walk to end the game in overtime and it's like he's just all over the place in so many different ways in you never forget he's out there and it goes back to what you the joke you had about carson edwards like. He really thinks he's the best player in the league. He really does. He doesn't think anyone's better than him. No no him. It's on an act either quarterback like. Hey are you one of the best quarterbacks in the league. rg three set. And he's again right back in the league guys take it easy but time like again. I get why he answered that way. Rg didn't believe it. And i'm not knocking them for answering. If that would be westbrook. You're right there's no lie. There's no lie there. He's not lying to him. Said well you know. I think he lied himself but he doesn't believe it's ally there's some stockholm syndrome shit. That goes on with his teammates because we saw it in. Okay see too. But like the wizards love this guy and they really like. he's their guy and it's weird chris. Beal is you know second in scoring and at fifty points the other night he found out westbrook's like i got this and he actually got it. You know i i'm. I'm kind of coming around. Because he's so intense he gives such a shit every game game after game after game compared to all this load management stuff and all these people that just sit out because they didn't want to play three and four nights or all the stuff i rueda's and this is the one guy who really gives a shit he's just got a lot of flaws but i do think when he's on your team. It's almost impossible to go below five hundred. He cares too much. The teammate thing is real i would say maybe the higher end guys got sick of it after a little while like when parents say like we'll look paul. George almost won. Mvp with him yet and he left any last already forces way out durant wanted out of their. The older depot thing was different and then harden after a year was like. I'm good so. I do think that matters but always hear stories about when you're away from the core like disguise the man he takes care of the least important guy on the team and he doesn't do it like whenever i would hear stories about. Yeah bar barry. Bonds goes out to dinner with like the rookies and i'd be like That's that's weird as a famous person. Is it some deal and he starts talking to you for two hours and you realize like wait. No one likes this guy and now he's with me. I thought it was cool like an hour ago. And now i realize and when i hear those stories about bonds go well. That's the other teammates wanted to do that. Stuff with with a westbrook. It's that's not the case he actually genuinely cares. Takes care of the rookies. Get them hooked up with close. Takes him out to dinner all that kind of stuff so i think that's why so. Many people defend him so much but for me hill always feel a little bit like a perimeter demarcus cousins. But not as bad. I mean demarcus didn't have anyone in sacramento and yet westbrook played with some of the best players his teammates and other than the finals run. When they're all really young. Which i don't think really counts because it's not like westbrook was one of the main. I mean he economy was one of the main guys but it wasn't really and they ran the offense to harden anyway Especially in late game situations are getting the ball the k. d. that i just don't really trust him at the end of games like he scares the shit out of me and that's the stuff that i can't ever get past. I mean in this week alone. In the milwaukee game was the milwaukee game where he helped towards the middle because i think he wanted to rebound around. Oh game now. She's bleed open members alan. That's yeah this is. This is the time line of the week and these are just a little things and people either. Don't see it or on the dick for pointing it out because disguised under triple double tear. But i'm just giving my overall westberg thing when so there's a lake game situation where he has to stay on the perimeter player. He has to and he just doesn't doesn't want to. There's three guys at brook lopez's at the rim. He leaves his guy. It's a wide open three. He's not fifteen feet from and you're going like were you just trying to get the right because there's no reason even help there. You wouldn't double brooke mind. Bring third persona over the raptors game. The last thirty eight seconds of that game is one of the worst endings of a game. Were no one knew what they were doing. Everybody was making mistakes and he went to charge right and left empty. And that was yeah three They end up winning that game and against the pacers he lost in regulation because he knew is going i so he took three other shots towards the nfl. Bretons had missed on his second attempt so he was like fuck this getting basketball and then he got fouled on that double team step back and then he hit the free throws gets the block. So i guess it's almost like i. If i had a root for him i could enjoy so much of it. An all the effort in charing in an era where it seems like so few guys care. I've always given them credit for that stuff. But i guess i'm just thinking coming down. The court shot clock off. Tie playoff game or down one. I don't expect it to go well even though i know some of his clutch numbers this year. Say he's incredible. I think those defensive rotation things that no one ever seems to ever want to talk about point out. There's a reason why those happen. All the time and i just i our coach go fix this. He has his feel for the game especially in late. Situations is just way off. Sometimes like he could be playing with bill. Bill could make ten straight shots in the playing game right and they could be up to the minute left and get a big rebound and then westbrook would do i. So pull up twenty footer with bill at having flames coming out of as as he. It's like he has no context of where it's going but but this is where i go. Glass have fallen him. Like he's completely salvaged of franchise. That seemed like it was rock bottom right there. Good trade bill. Five months ago they were going to basically do the drew holiday package and he didn't want to leave. He could've pushed it. He didn't and now westbrook is there and i don't know they're one of the seven teams in the east. They i think are tough out. And i just looked at him historically and i do think you know zach had the point when we did book a basketball that karl malone and james harden are kind of linked for their errors right that that that the stats and the durability and some of the stuff feature them dead overtime is gonna look amazing but we were there and we saw what happened in the playoffs. I don't really know what the westbrook d'appel ganger is because you look at his stats his last five years. He's twenty six ten and ten. This is his five-year average. Twenty six ten ten. This year is twenty to twelve and twelve. He also averages four point nine turnovers agai- so every game. He's going to just turn the ball over five times the other team. There's just a lot going on. He's a thirty one percent three point shooter. He's never been a good three point shooter ever. It's actually getting worse. But he's still takes him. He's only sixty five percent as the free throw shooter but this saturday night when they're down one and he's at the line with a second left both of them are going in. It's just all these contradictions as you're watching. It's really hard not to admire them. Because i forgot this using the two thousand eight draft think about that draft. Oj mayo is in that draft Was that his sheep. The beat yeah that team to be two thousand nine. I can't remember kevin. Love is in that draft. Derrick rose was in that draft serge. Ibaka was in that draft. These guys are all like the other side of the mountain and westbrook is still putting up at least stats that resemble stats. That he was putting in his peak weight. The rose draft is the fbi is the is the beasley draft. So the beer that so. That's the beat was the next year. Yeah so michael beasley was westberg strap and gone down line. George hill was in westbrook. Strath like my point is the guys that draft our old and westbrook is still. I don't know one of the top twenty five most impactful guys in the league whether you'd want him on your team. If you're trying to win the title. I my answer would be no but to migrate. Westbrook stats for you this year. He's gonna cement. He's our four time turnover leader first season so for a four pack for him. Four times. he's led the league in turnovers. He is i out of all. Active players usa drape over everybody else is the highest rate in the league for career. Well sixteen seventeen the first triple double year when you go back and look at that usage rate. It's it's unchartered territory. I mean no one's ever done it so you know what i think. Is i could really nerd out here. So pull the plug on this. At some point because i went through and looked at oscar robertson years and you know we grew up with this huge lie before the internet that oscar robertson averaged a triple double first career. And you're like now five years. No that's what everybody said. Yeah everybody set it and it actually wasn't true in overrated. I felt like a dick when i broke this down my book. 'cause i was i felt like i was peeing on one of the sacred records but the reality is there. Is andre forty shots a game. Every i pretty much. Everybody was getting eight to ten rebates so oscars rookie year sixty sixty one teams average hundred nine attempts per day and most of the mist. And that's an all time high for any nba season. That's the bmc. So his first four seasons when he he averaged a triple double round up on like nine point seven or whatever. Because that's that's how it actually works. I mean if you wanna be really technical about it. It's one year. Yeah what they rounded up so the four year averages on shot attempts per team one hundred nine hundred eight hundred one ninety which is crazy that in three years you'd lose ten shots per game That's that's unheard of if you look at the totals now it's between eighty and eighty nine shot attempts per team the last four years and that's actually high compared to where we were and like the bright thousand were heading up again. Yeah i mean the offense efficiency number for this year on its own is one twelve point three which is almost two points per one hundred possessions higher than the other all time so right now we are in the all time high offense efficiency so actually one big rule change that help that think those field goal attempts is the fourteenth second offense rebound thing. Yeah because i think that probably added five shots for each team per game. I have been say if i'm right but i'm just yes. I also think everybody thinking every two for one shot is a good shot. When i would love to track how bad those are the. But he's figured it out. There's no guys. I would love to know what those are. Because the efficiency on the I got thirty seconds here. And i also love the guy takes it with like twenty eight seconds. Thinking like cool. We'll still have some time to work with and you're like you just took oral shot and you're still probably not getting the ball back all right. So the shot attempts alone mean one very specific thing for robertson in pro westbrook argument is the rebounding availability. Back then was absurd. The rebounding numbers are nuts yet. I mean teams. Were averaging between sixty six and seventy three rebounds a gain. Didn't russell had fifty five that year. I think or the year before the fifth rebound numbers are so are so dumb. That i mean you. You don't even know what to do with them and the rebounding numbers now are so much lower which is a huge credit to whisper. But another thing that you look at if you look at makes and maybe i'll do this in a much nerdy fashion. My podcast is already starting to get get sick of doing this. We give out more assist. Now we just give out more assists so even though there are more shots and people made less. They still made more than they make today. Because it was just such an absurd amount of shot attempts back then but the assist numbers. We're given out more assists per game per team in the last four years now on like like fifteen to twenty shots less game and because anytime you pass this somebody who eventually takes three accounts as an assistant. I remember when i was research since for my book in the heinsohn said this in the late in cousy satun. The late fifties sixties. It was only an assist. If it directly led to like a lab bright that was it and they had more labs back then because the whole goal is to try to get labs every time basically but you would just come down to the core like when you watch old games. Yeah just came down the court you shop like. That's just what you did. I guess it was so you was more like hockey. Re ryan your pepper. The goalie basically. So there's an argument to be made here. That's pro westbrook on that the rebounding part there's less rebounds now so he historically is a much better rebounding guard than even we realized probably robertson. I mean fifth rebounding right now that he's but if not if but i've looked at home road i did a big research thing on this guy's stability spn. I said you know. I'm at home. And i'll look at a box score after i watch a game be like what the hell is going on with the home scoring like there's with westbrook where he averaged two more assists per game at home than he did on the road. We the fa- the famous one for that was stockton told the told you is a home road disparity was stocked in that i think was like at least it was. At least four. Assists difference was three three and a half four assists higher at home. Then that's that's that's tuesday big number. That's like ridiculous. But i you know i went back and watched all twenty four assists that he had this week in a game or two weeks ago and i looked at them. They're all legitimate. There's two For today they're not even borderline. So i just thought that was kinda interesting to put all perspective that the rebounding availability back then because everybody's a chuck and shots but we're actually giving out as many as many as many assists even though the shot attempts are way down and even makes her down compared to them. Yeah the rebound assist numbers for him. I think are legit. I'm actually surprised he doesn't score more points. 'cause he's twenty two again but he's taken nineteen shots game. He doesn't he. I mean his numbers just aren't there's not that many places on the court where you go. I want him shooting from this spot other than driving on everybody when he decides he's going to finish. No one can do anything with him. He's basically missing seventy percent of his threes and thirty five percent of his free throws so he really could be at twenty five twelve twelve of he was doing a little bit better. But i was thinking The trade was kinda brilliant for them and it was kind of brilliant for houston to trade. That trade was sitting there for. I don't know two months. We were talking about waffle respiratory. Oh my god the to untradable guys being traded for each other look for both teams for washington. It allowed the bill. It got their fans kind of excited like joe house. Who's actually like really excited for the playing games. And now thinking like what we get gaffer d- hotch maura will get one more free agent. We could get bird. Tans may be going a little bit more. Maybe we could be a top five team in the east. And then houston. They're not able to tank of westbrook's on the team. 'cause he would be doing what he's doing right now in houston he would be gone. He'd be thirty. Fifteen and fourteen every night china to keep them from tanking so now they're the number one tanking team so in a weird way that was like the perfect trade and washington gave up a first round pick. That was protected. Anyway what do they care I dunno i liked it. Who want one last positive. Westbrook thing on a two. Is that everything you just said is exactly why teams would talk about it. Because if you were stale as a franchise even though you knew how you played as a team was going to be held hostage to his approach which tight spot big game on a law. But he rejuvenates you're stale franchise. In a way that not really many other available players would be able to tell you this. You're not gonna believe where i'm about to go. You could argue to celtics. Might do off. I knew i could tell tone in your voice uis. You're going back to the celtics. Is the most predictable thing if they just offered kemba for westbrook straight up houston says yes they do. Yeah the celtics had westbrook all year. I made grandi look this up today. Guess how many times. They've been down by twenty points this season. It's a huge number. I know i know it's massive. So last year was four the sheer it's thirteen. There's been thirteen games out of how many we had sixty eight that they've been behind by twenty points about that. They're five hundred team. It's not like they're orlando they. I think they've been down by at least ten points in like thirty seven in sixty eight games. Something that it's over. Fifty percent thirteen games down by twenty plus the team. That has tatum brown who've been pretty healthy all year. Save for like you know little seventy days since anyway. My point is if westbrook was on the celtics. 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No 'cause he's he was like the week ago he's been terrible. The last couple months. I have some with and without stats. Okay so you know the heat were six twelve without jimmy butler clippers. Where eleven and seven without kawhi. This is this year. Philly was nine and ten without embiid. Lebron the lakers are nine and fifteen when he a plate not kind tonight. Golden state one and seven without curry. Mvp then when you put when curry plays that piece of crap. Warriors team is thirty. Four and twenty six in the west. Think about that fucking shit change. I bring this up because utah is either as the blunt. I don't know what you can do with that. Lebron number because anthony davis is out to ray j. Listen these these all to have some sort of context utah. Without mitchell is ten in four in britain this up for the all. Nba case 'cause i had mitchell penciled in my third team in the more look at it i'm like i i don't know if he's one of the best fifteen players in the league and i think it means something that it doesn't seem to matter if he's in their lineup. The reason i bring this up there is an insane amount of pressure now. I don't feel the pressure. Because i take this seriously and if somebody gets mad at whatever my vote is i know like i really do care about this stuff. I'm going to pick by best teams but the amount of money that is at stake with this. Ambiance stuff is kinda ridiculous. I read this weekend. Tatum thirty three million dollars to him if he makes it all mba team. So i am sure. There's some voters out there thinking like you know. They're just fill their ballot. They move on being zach and a couple of other people probably spend way too much time on it but you know. Tatum is not on my ballot. I'm he's he didn't make it and mitchell's another one who can get a huge bonus bump from all mba. And the more. I look at it. The more naturism on my ballot. He's gonna end up missing a sixteen seventeen gains. And there's this guys like more. Like i think bill has to be at all mba ballot if that team if that team Gets close to five hundred with how crappy that team is. All the stuff is done is just like you can't tell me if you switch bill and mitchell that utah would either be the same or slightly better so anyway my the reason i wanna bring this up and i wanted to dump stats in a second. But like i just think it's weird that they tied this all mba stuff to salaries in the way that they did and they and it's like one hundred and ten people at votes something like that. I don't know how many of them are taking it seriously. I know i am sure there are others. I'm not saying it's just me zach but there's also people that might look at this and just be like oh donald mitchell. Utah's good and i think this year is way more complicated than and i don't. I don't think mitchell is one of the best fifteen guys so. He's off my ballot. Utah's depth. I think makes that. A little misleading. Even though we've had our moments with mitchell this year I just think the depths or depth scoring and they're still anchored by a really great defensive player that they're able to get through it without mitchell but mitchell's going to be the kind of shock creator. You're gonna need at. The end of a playoff game is far more important than any of those other guys just is so I know i already did it. Look i already went through all mine and i. I ended up not having him on it. Yeah okay i i know i like i think i went back and forth back and forth or not. I don't remember exactly what i said. But i have my notes in front of me here. I have like a line through after we get done talking about it so right now i have in this a week last and this is not final ballot by any means. And i'm sure it's gonna change at yoka janice luca forward curry and c. p. three as my first team and i like it because i think those are the those have been the most important five guys in the league say that again yoka genus luca curry. Cpi three those have been the five most important guys this season. Other than embiid. In in rancho anna. And i'm just not putting him beating yokich on first team together. I think that's garbage. Rule that those guys are not eligible. Forward that's ridiculous right. But i don't understand how you think that's okay but donncha which is a four. 'cause i think he does play forward. I think i think came and butler. I think tatum's like this. I think. Paul george is like this. I think there's guys that they float between the positions where it's kind of amorphous. Yokich is a center and embiid center. Go bears center bay. Amount of is a center. Like there's no other position for those guys you know so maybe i'll figure this game out one day but dodgers sure looks like a point guard me but on on defense. He's not guarding guards. Like i i know what even matches a lot of times too. I mean you know. He's a forward. It larry bird was playing now they would be used exactly. How don just being used. I think he's he wouldn't bring all up in initiate every offense play. I think he could've. You dare discredit the legend. No i'm just saying. I don't think that he would have bird would have just brought it up and said all right. Let's go kick totally conceivable. They would run lineups or they would have Maxwell parish mikhail bird at shooting guard and like gerald henderson and bird in eighty two on stuff through bird like bird would actually like run the offense anyway. My point is i think i think they made luke eligible guard ford. I do think he floats back and forth. And it allows me to put embiid koiwa randall. Deemed butler second team and then add go bare lebron beal paul george and a fifth spot open that could be zion booker. Kyri tatum Mitchell and. I don't think it's going to be mitchell. It was it was probably gonna be zion but now looks like he might miss these last few games and that might be enough to nudge about in. I'm starting to look at kyri more and more. It'd be weird not to have a brooklyn net in the top fifteen so i met after begrudgingly. Put him in. Yeah that's resigns gonna lose out. You're gonna have the nets with this record. You have booker. maybe as the one seed or mitchell is the one seed. so i'd love season. I hadn't been there a week ago but as for all the stuff happened in in clear like even with the injury You know. I can't believe they even beat the hornets today considered the lineup of the rolling out there. Kyrie's twenty seven five hundred sixty shares. He's almost fifty forty nine hundred ninety two. Here's their case against kyrie other than the two sabbaticals the nets with career thirty three and eighteen. The nets without career eleven. Six you go on through those things again like miami that you'd be butlers. Six to twelve like when he doesn't play their fucked Lebron we mentioned curry. And that's why the kyri thing it's like. A i think they're okay when he's that out there granted he's had an awesome season but they can survive for a game or two and when you start thinking about top fifteen guys in the league. I kind of want to feel like my team can't survive if he's not playing you know if it's him vs bill if deals hurt washington's done i gotta imagine hardened played in most of those gains when he was putting together his mvp case was just like they were having games. Were those both the other two guys were done in harden was on tear yet so that might actually be a credit to kyri in that. The record is misleading. It looks bad. I mean the days when kyri was in boston. They had the same deal remember. They had that better record without him. Yeah and even. I was like look. That's ridiculous he's still this incredibly talented guy by the time that thing was over in boston. You're like actually. I think there's some truth to that. Like i think they could actually say all enjoy playing a lot more when he wasn't around. Well here's here's the dump stat. I've found for you. I was so excited. Even give you a heads up on this. Okay here's this website called hoop stats dot com. I don't know if you've been there. They have all these crazy stats. And they had these things ranting matchup stats. I have no idea what the validity of the status. But here's how they explain it. It's a matchup stat. Did you win your match up for a game. And they measure it by your efficiency for the game. Compared to the player you played against in that game but you both had to play for twenty five minutes or more okay right so of yokich plays embiid. They do the match up thing and it's like who is more efficient better. Whatever that whatever their formulas. And it's like yoga twins allen yokich one nothing so i stumbled pot and this is research says that god. This is cool. I have no idea how this is. But i wonder so i went through. I went through all the guys to see if the records made sense. Because they're basically like boxers at this point right ye- yokich is forty four and six. According to the match upset forty. Four out of fifty as a boxer. Yeah and beat is twenty three and three all right. So we're off to a good start with the steph curry's forty-three and ten again kind of like the stat. Jaanus thirty seven four. Zoe been four times when he went against somebody at his position. Who played him. And you go on down the line so my you know what i gotta go. Look at somebody who's actually gonna suck with this stat. Because then that'll be a reverse validation kemba walker ten and twenty five according to the patch upset. He's only ten of thirty five matchups this year. Somebody twenty five. Five durant was nineteen and three june campus. I think campus forth in the nba scoring lesson games. Yeah bill is forty one thirteen Randall was forty. Two and twelve impressive. john mirant twenty. Three and twenty eight Aki keep going and going the one though only one was there one that didn't make it. Yeah gimme one. That didn't make any sense. Soc- three was thirty three and nineteen and that same low now because he doesn't shoot in his. Maybe it was like a game score thing so like he could lose the game score because he's just not gonna take enough shots couple. More co is thirty seven and five. Pg's thirty one and four harden was twenty six and four so all those match up so then like i gotta find somebody who i think kind of stinks compared to like the playing more minutes says got composite though. 'cause i just feel like he's the turn the punchbowl nuggets. I'd like them. He's feisty but everybody hates him by the. Oh gonna watch screen. You're gonna watch stuff like quiet. Stars are enough out of you motherfucker. Oh i thought kyrie was going at like punch him. Hiree chucked him though to get position in kyrie spent the whole time. Cairo had a weird game that denver game even though they pulled it out. He threw the ball on a b. Line out of bounds behind durant. Now i say the video and then turns to cairo. Like why are you looking at me in kyrie's doing like the double hands down thing like no the cut is. Here's like dude you punted it. Backwards wasn't even close Composite seven and eighteen in the match ups that that sounds about right route. Rubio is six thirty. So he's like the pollux bazooka joe and then Karl anthony towns. You look him up at in the came up. Bledsoe is thirteen and thirty three. So i think i stumbled out an incredible stat. I think there's something here with with like the boxer matchups of i think it'd be hard to figure out who's going against who and it seems more fest and that's why it's flimsy but i do like that a lot of those stats matched up. But the reason. I started looking at up with for the mitchell staff and mitchell according to stat was twenty five and eighteen. So there's eighteen times where there batch ups that was like you got gotta played by the other guy according to our efficiency rankings. That kind of confirmed that. I did want him. Even though you still don't really know what the basis of this is. I don't but i do feel like a lot of the records. Made saids c. P. three was the one that made me endangered was thirty. Two and twenty two. That one may be a little nervous but for the most part the right guys had great records and the and the right guys that bad records. I was looking at the canvas stuff by the way after his eighteen against miami loss. He's he's dipped down. So it's been it's been refreshed so i just hate when people use these stats like kemba walker stuff at a cocktail party and i make you look bad. Can we stay with this or do you want to take another break. 'cause i want to do the number going okay. What numbers would actually be. Something would stop what you were doing. I'm going to give you an example. All right as we know home runs guys our generation newspapers. Asking your dad. Or how many home runs does he have. Okay well how many do you have to have. Wally joiner member del. Murphy i think had thirty seventy all star break one year. I mean that's the kind of stuff you'd excess over. I'd care if guys finished at hundred care who won the batting title off. The fifty homers was a big one. Right the home run thing seven fifty five. It was the kind of thing that if you grew up says the sports. You just like these monumental numbers. We know what happened in baseball and steroids and ruining the baseball part of the number deal. And you know there's another part of it. That i think is is kinda funny in that i remember being at. Espn radio and we would go live. So i started in two thousand six. We will go live like monumental home runs because that's what you just used to do on late night. Radio like iran. Go live to and the one that everybody was like. Why are we going live to sammy. Sosa home runs. Nobody likes them. Nobody likes him. No one likes to store anymore and it doesn't matter like we're doing something that you thought was mandatory ten years ago and now i think we're doing something the audience doesn't really care about. We sound outdated. They'd be like whatever shut up here year So is there anything numbers related that will still get you excited in not to say the westbrook thing. is overlooked. You're actually think people did a big deal on this. Because it's a monumental number for him to tie oscar. When i in none of us ever thought anyone would ever do this. No one thought would anyone do it. Can i shit on the triple. Double thing sure. Nobody was even aware of these until the mid eighties and the lake. I think it was the lakers. Pr guy started counting the magic triple doubles and made a big deal about them. And it was like somewhere in the mid eighties to triple double things started so basically until nineteen five. Nobody even knew that this was a thing like oh. I'm a rebound short. I should go for this. Didn't exist so ricky davis right so be like i don't know if all the sudden twenty ounce morning coffees who was like. Oh you've had seven hundred thirty eight straight days of twenty ounce. Morning coffees really. And then it's a writer you're twenty away for the record. I am like that's what it was like until nineteen eighty five or people. Go triple doubles really. So it's just hard for me to i who cares. I've always been in the who cares camp troubles. who cares. What is it all right so so you would not gonna do a live broadcast of him now. That pacers game okay. So what exists. That would still get you excited. I'm glad you asked. I wrote down my list. I think the number one record for basketball right now. We're we're removing world's hundred off the table right watching curry get twenty four last night in the first quarter in this era when especially this week when no one cares. I can't wait to share. I cannot with this. I'm so excited about this. The end of it a hundred seems impossible. But i think it's less impossible than we think if somebody decided to do it. But you'd have to be. I don't know the game would probably be too competitive it would. It would have to be curb going. Screw it let's do it and he never does. He didn't do it with clay when i want you know. Let's see what clay can do here. And they didn't bring them back. They bring staff back but to have twenty four and a quarter of him hitting threes. Like that it like eighty s. I know this sounds. That's eighty right now. The way the game is played right now right. Now i don't think eighty is like outerspace totally agree at some point in mail bag i sketched out what the box score and have to look like. I don't remember if it was after kobe. Eighty one or whether it was the time klay thompson had like. What did you have like sixty sixty three quarters. Yeah was it. That's the number that keeps coming up a look up as you share yours. One of the big things with trying to get higher and higher with the point total as the free throws so because people think like. Oh you'd have to threes well. Nobody's really hit more than like twelve. Thirteen threes is about as realistic. As you're going to get but the free throws because then you're fallon guys out of the other team to So it's like like the devon booker game was really good example. What did he have seventy one. Seventy seventy klay had sixty after three quarters devon booker like he didn't hit threes in that game. That was the crazy thing. It was like more of a free throws twos game. So it's like some combo of the devon booker game in the clay game. I think could get you over eighty when even though devon was going there are still plenty of possessions were. it wasn't gross. Yeah everybody hates. Everybody hates that game because they lost and he held because seventy. He's done that right. I don't know i. I i i guess he was young enough. I get why people didn't like it. But i remember. I went and watched the possessions by possession for him again. I go. They kind of forgot about him even longer stretches. Like if you're losing he's going for a number here. Let's see what you can really do. So there is even buckets. I think he could add that. Didn't happen and i think the kobe game is impossible now. In the in the way the nba covered and the air of social media and league pass and the scrutiny of game game sandwich the double team him. That entire never happen now. You couldn't do it a you get fired you. You'd be fired an hour. After the game. He was over and over again. Single teaming with you. Mo- peterson jalen rose like he like. He didn't have seventy points. I just so that i that happening yet. But i do. Think the devon booker game with more threes around eighty conceivable Here's here's my list. Let's take a break. Let's take a break. And then i'll give you my less this episode. The bill simmons podcast is brought to you by mccain quick cook fries china the flip out but new mccain quick fries cook and half the full time at traditional mccain fries half guess what else. There's no weapon you can cook it entire flip. A bag of these delicious crispy. One hundred percent real potatoes and half the flip and timers their traditional fries making mealtime less flip and difficult. It's un- flip and believable. So please yourself foot favor head to your favorite stores freezer i'll grab yourself bag of mccain. Quick cook fries faster. Prepare easy to share and you flip and deserve that okay. Are you made a list. Made a list of numbers that are still important yet. So we'll hundred has to be one. But i think kobe's eighty-one is one b because koby has the non wilt record obviously and close to that where if somebody had sixty two after three quarters or somebody was at seventy one with four minutes to go. I think that would that would bring the most attention slash people hold their breath and now in kobe's passed away like i. I think people would want that record to live on so in a weird way would also have this barry bonds trying to you know pass roger mass element to it just kind of people instinctively wanting kobe to keep that record the hey karen one is the one with bonds that people were more bummed out about because deputies passed macquarie hank. Aaron the So i think. I think the eighty one is the realistic best on but i. This is the one that. I think people sleep on the thirty three straight. That's an amazing record. We've only seen it really challenged once by the two thousand thirteen heat and it was fucking awesome as soon as they got over. You know twenty five and every game was an event and then the warriors did their version of it. They won like twenty four twenty five in a row but once it gets past like twenty three and it's a really good team. Every game becomes like game seven and so i would say thirty three straight would be my my second. Pick behind the wheel. Kobe records i didn't even think of that one. That one's good it is. It is a bill to be good. Yeah it doesn't matter what what kind of sport we have with the styles are. It's always gonna be really hard to win. Thirty three straight games in a basketball league just is and the the miami. That team was incredible. Just for them to win. Twenty seven was an amazing achievement. Really was i have the nba scoring mark so kareem's at thirty eight thousand three hundred eighty seven points car blown thirty six thousand nine hundred twenty eight lebron's third at thirty five thousand. Three hundred eighteen. Last season was weird. This season was weird. He was injured three seasons ago. But he's still if you go you know. Basically full season lebron. You'd expect two thousand points. We might not get that again. But i would have to think in two seasons. He's gonna pass it. And i'm going to care because you know whoever the biggest lebron hater is to think point to this keep coming out of high school gone a in like twenty years. He's going to be the nba's all time leading score. It's just that one. I think still matters I agree with you. Here's my only issue with that record. I knew kareem has it. I'm like probably in the top percentile at this shit. I didn't know what the exact number was. And i do feel like part of the the great records as you should be able to just instinctively with the numbers like hank aaron. I knew what the number was. And i think it's just harder with the basketball so i almost feel like forty thousand points. Lebron been the breaking creams record. But then becoming the first guy to have forty thousand points for career would almost be more important than breaking creams record. Because that's like this round number we could remember. Forty thousand is going to be tough. I'd i'd be surprised if he doesn't break creams record. here's the like even said you know. Hey if i'm sorry i can't dunk. I don't wanna play anymore. It's still the physical image of seeing him. Not be good. Is such a hard thing to envision. Accepted is going to happen and him. Not good is still probably going to be okay. The play more power forward hill. He'll still just understand the game as well as anyone out there. But he's not going to give up before that you know. If he's short of in two years i don't think he says i whatever i'm not dunking his heart as i used to som- bail on this and again he's always wanted to play with his kid. If this kid ends up being good enough to be on a team. I had three team. That i'm gonna group together that i still care about the golden state seventy-three stick goodwin. It was really exciting. When they're trying to pass the bulls. I really enjoyed that guide into it. I think everybody else did. It felt like a matter where they played utah that regular season game and you can tell how much it matters to them. And how are they were trying. It was fun. It was fun to watch them. Silver for it. In an era of teams. Like after the pats went sixteen in. Oh and then they lose the super bowl and the culture in the same position and then like that's lane look at the pats and they piss away two games even though they were still doing enough to like get guys roster There were like different bonuses not roster bonuses but incentive bonuses and so it was just like a weird thing that all of a sudden sixteen hundred was uncalled because the pats lost the super bowl. The sixteenth game is one of my favorite patriots games ever regular season. Probably they lost the super bowl. The brady to moss moss. Kurt it up. He went right back to him next play and for the dagger i'd loved it The other the other two team records the celtics gone fifty and one at home and nineteen eighty. Six is always been one of my. Were you at the loss. No i was not. It was to portland. Portland was always weird match for those mid eighties. Celtics teams super athletic games are always high scoring and portland. Just shot the whites out and that was it. That was the only time they lost. I think fifty and one. I think it stands the test of time especially now that homecourt advantage has become less and less important so i have that one and then i the ninety six polls go and eighty seven and thirteen winning eighty seven percent of their games in just like eighty seven and thirteen. We've played one hundred games. We went eighty seven. I still feel like that matters. Nobody's nobody's doing that again. They're just not that's not happening hitting four hundreds the last one that i have just because i never want to see anyone do it. Oh i didn't know where switching sports. Oh i just threw that in there. I don't know how we had. I had two more basketball ones. I really really really like this. One curry's four hundred two threes. But number did you know it. I did only because he's the only guy wherever at four hundred. Three's in a season. And i think when you think about load management you have to make five game right. You have to play games of bank five game and if you play less than eighty games you have to make like five point one five points a game. I think he's the only one who's made even who's average five a game and he's averaging five game this year but it's a short season but just like four hundred two threes. Well anyone do that again. You need the ability five. Let's say it's kind of a great record. I just the way guys. Chuck them now. I don't know i mean. Obviously he's still making him i. He's the only player league that makes me howl at home out loud when i'm watching games. And he had me again he had me again. I mean he started. He knew how locked that game. Yeah the bills scoring title thing which has been a really fun sub pop right which he apparently admitted to or It was as a bouquet on the call and he was like no he goes he. This wise doing this be had fifty. And he's gonna see what he can do and he starts bringing the ball up half court he starts like pimping it before he's even taking the shah and then he's launching it so if you looked at his overall box score you'd be like oh he didn't shoot the lights out now because he actually really started going for it before he knew kerr was going to take a before kerr was going to take him out and not bring back in the fourth because the city and like i said i mean. They had doored on him ranch. It just didn't even matter. They were keeping two of them and the crazy thing is still is even though he was gunning for curry in to state with after a screen he would pass it to another guy and so the commentators are like laughed about it going. You know he's still going to make the right read because he can't help himself even though for him he was a little bit more trigger-happy than any no although this season that's why it's kind of fun to watch as he's forced in these situations at times really has to do these things where they would harden was putting together these awesome offensive numbers. It was incredible and it was necessity. But i was like i still think there's a few guys in the league. The could probably do this if they have this kind of green light. Every single possession woke goes back to our jeremy grant theory of how many guys could score twenty points a game if we give them the green light. What was the first number you threw out at me. I seventy five and then we decided that was too low. It might be two hundred. Wait i have. I ever really important. Mikhail video machine queue this up last day of the season. Hornets hornets wizards all. The games are tb. Because they're gonna wanna put on. Tv like the games of the platform -cations hornets wizards and grizzlies at warriors. And this is why. I want you to keep the video. I'm gonna even looking at my camera here The wizards game has to be first and we need to go into that warriors game knowing exactly. How many points steph curry needs to win the scoring title. Because if it's like it could be like he might need like forty eight points to win the scoring title. We can have a little thompson gervin. Nineteen seventy eight all over again. If they do this correctly my fears that though end up staggering it so like the games are simultaneous. That wizards game has to end before the warriors game. I want to know exactly. How many points units in. Okay figure. I had a. I had two more records for that. Russell's eleven titles. Three more actually. Mj's thirty seven point one. The non wilt scoring records still matters to me. I don't know if i'm alone but When harden was kinda inching toward a couple of years ago and it was like holy shit he might break though not wilt record. I feel like that would be a hard non jordan record seriously. Compared like the stuff we can go in circles all day long on this way. It's officiated the spacing. All these different deals. I mean i i can talk up any point and i can tear any point. I can make down but i still like to think of those as separate times thirty seven. Dan is not thirty seven now at three point shooting when nobody's done it since i'm jay. Yeah so i'm just saying apart done it. We both think somebody will do that in the next ten years right. Yeah yeah. I do. But i don't want them to do that. The last one. I care is really stupid and i made this up. But it's the three thousand one thousand anthony edwards might get it next year. I'm sorry the three thousand one thousand club. Which is the three guys ever. Who played three thousand regular season minutes in one thousand nine minutes in the same season. I have no idea is. You're the only person that cares. I know i care about this. Adds a record one person who cares. It's a double record. Two thousand three dunkin two thousand shack in nineteen eighty seven bird. That's it those are the three guys. Three bird was maybe the alleged to boston's in there. I also think that thirty thousand points. Bizzare is a thing that should really matter a railway. 'cause that's like what seven guys going to do it. Cause once carmelo got to twenty five cycle. We got well now. It's got to be the thirty thousand point club as much as i enjoy carmelo. He we can't have a club where like carmelo's one of the nine members. Mel is not going to get there. He's a twenty seven thousand. i would getting. he's that i'm almost. i'm thinking about doing pro. Mellow opening segment. A my ow. At some point you're in mail you've come around no i. I don't know that i was ever. I certainly wasn't his anti him. As is other people were even though i understood. I just always think the playoff losses for mellow or unfair because almost every time he got eliminated the team was always better than the team that he was on I'm i'm pro mellow. Don't want a club where it's like all the great players in the league. Carmelo anthony because right now it's thirty thousand. Got if you've got any yeah. Kareem malone lebron koby. J. dirk will julius irving. That's it that's the entire club and durant potentially that's julius with eleven thousand from the aba yom catinat though. I'm just just pointing out there. Because moses is nine eight. That's what i always love about moses. Who's one of my all time favorites. But they'll always be these records and it's like hey so and so past mos moses so much higher on these things then he's asked thought of real guys that are into it understand his resume and all that stuff. Dan isel eleventh all time. Nba aba. he played for like thirty eight years. Eighteen years something like that. Yeah the out of the current guys. Durant's at twenty three thousand eight. Thirteen hardens over. Twenty two thousand. Now i think those are two best bets joe. Johnson's forty fourth. Yeah that's pretty nuts. Dwight howard is fifty nine. Dwight howard's going to have twenty thousand points. There's one more record i liked. But i think. I'm the only one who cares. Dino who has the record for most points in a finals game jerry west l. baylor sixty one. The next highest guy was fifty five. Michael jordan algebra fucking put up sixty one against russell the celtics and that's held the course sixty years. Pretty good you're good at that. I threw it out there and was like any of these two records. Okay but i'm telling you right now that this it's not even i don't even think it's a generational thing i think it's our own attention span. Now nobody cares about numbers. And i just i mean we can throw out. Hey this guy did this. Or he's averaging this look at russell triple does all kinds of stuff but the the discussion around it. The knowing the numbers like we did. I just don't think anybody cares enough about. I'm not even telling anybody the wrong about it. It just i don't feel like it's talked about the same way. Maybe because we have more things going on and then looking at an almanac at home in highlighting stuff when your kid is there a way to blame advanced metrics in the nerds on this. Yeah absolutely fuck those guys like when when they decided wins. Don't matter just relevant. Just kidding i know her kidding but like there's certain things that that got the bunk as being valuable which like rbi having one hundred rbi and year was thing that mattered. And now it's like no rbi's don't matter okay. Cool the winds on pitching though i'm with them on that one I've always thought but then again. Now i mean that. That's that is irrelevant. Because geyser guys get yanked all the time. And i mean the whole three hundred win club. Were never gonna see another three hundred when pitcher i mean never is a really long time but it's just never going to happen like c sympathy was the last hope was like. Hey you know if you keep doing and then it was like now. Can i Since we're on this. I don't know should i. T's this is my favorite part of any of the prep that we did. I'll do it next. Okay code up next. What leo dicaprio was gonna do if he didn't act as a basketball fan. There's nothing better than truly great surprise. A buzzer beater. A big upset a last-minute trade you name it ya'll have a great surprise when it comes to your insurance rates with state farm you can get the personalized service of a local agent for a surprisingly great rate like a good neighbor state farm. Is there this episode of the bill. Simmons podcast is brought to you by fresh pet. Fresh pet is real pet food. Freshman the fridge. 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Is there still a couple of we wanna play the how well do you know your co host game coming up here shortly i have. I have two small things to okay all right. I'm just gonna run through this because this is the fool's gold season. I remind people of this every time every nba season the starts to happen. The local broadcast teams. Twenty under five hundred. They're grasping at anything to be exciting but there are so many nights in these last few weeks in this final week where you're going to see scoring totals from players where you have to go okay. Just just a run through view of this is just in the last week plus curry as twenty four in the first quarter. All right. well that steph. That's a law. Curiously had thirty and four of his last six games. Okay right chairs labor. He's an offensive player. He's showed a little bit thirty and four of his last six games. Here's where it gets interesting. Kenyon martin twenty seven the other night not as dad his kid you ever just ten a game Wait wait could be staying houston for a second of you. Seen some of the guys have been scoring for the have you seen no lennox. Free agent run every time. I watched them go. You know what. I have a list of guys. I'd like like a kogi jalen brunson. I olympic team should be going. How do we get this guy in here. I wanted the celtics to get him as a black guy. He's i have him in in a minute. Fantasy league and i picked up olympic. After that. And i i've been starting olympic. He's putting monster uppers that whole houston team. It's a great tancic season anyone's head. It's they're like the most fun tacky team. We've had in ten years so genuine martin. Who averages i think nine yeah nine a game. He went back to back. Twenty six twenty seven points in a game. He had twenty seven ten. One of those games. Do you know kyrie. thomas is nobody else does. He's on the rockets as well his second game ever his second game in the nba. He had twenty seven mcdonagh. Vich relive dwayne. Bacon had twenty eight game. Siachen had a forty four eleven seven slash. I watched it. we'll narrow. We thought it was raul nettle for a decade and it starts. He starts hanging out with rossi's by the way this happens a lot of european players. That's why i never get mad at anybody on draft night for getting the pronunciation wrong because there's always the dan gad's reach yet zurich deal few years in. You're feeling yourself you're like hey by the way. Here's how to pronounce my name. How it's always been sibito. It's just the tibbs nickname screws everybody up but people call tiptoe for ten years. They didn't erect anybody. Nah he was too busy working on how to ice people to the side is says well all right. How old netto. Twenty-five michael boulder or the warriors tied jerome who. I love twenty three games. That's select tatra. Marvin bagley stock like doj. Coin right now. Depending pre snl does coins thirty one points. He had four the next night. So that marvin game is the game. Their mailing to the other twenty nine gm's in done in august. Like hey bags see this game. Thirty one anthony lamb. Uvm's own one in only pro basketball player. He had twenty two again for the rockets when he commodore bomba mogambo has had a week. He lit up the celtics. Hit another game where he was twenty. Two fifteen Roy moore had twenty seventy game. A choral for the cavs had thirty two in a game a jal for the pistons who i- sneaky kinda like when he was the thunder he had thirty every night. There's like three guys that are flirting with thirty. You don't even know who who who they're playing for and none of them are ever on the celtics Good point. I have to be very tiny subjects for you. Jordan clarkson has been pencilled in as our sixth man of the year. Are we share. His sixth man of the year spent some interesting literature about this recently but a- and it confirms the eye test of his last thirty two games. He's seventeen a game. Shooting thirty eight percent field goal thirty one percent from three. and then there's a sykes kinda sneaky. Joe ingles move been happening. And there's ben fox that some cleaning the glass stuff about how angles the off stuff. It's way way. More favorable for angles than clarkson. And i just want to make sure we're not doing the lou williams Jamal crawford thing jordan clarkson where he's just fun to watch and you catch them on the right nineties. Amazing and the tv announcers talk about. How awesome is and and yet. It's it's kind of flimsier resume and they think now the counter. Why and still vote for him. Is i do think he's really important for that. Utah team and i have watched him swing multiple multiple gains. And when somebody like mitchell comes out and is gone for three weeks you at least feel like all right. This is somebody that can step in and be a competent scoring guard But he was like. I think ten or twelve to one favorite to win that award and i'm not sure it's locked in. There might be some ingles seven to one underdog magic. I don't know who's more important than that team. Angles are clarkson. Like if you had to lose one i would be more predisposed to losing clarkson and i think ankles is really valuable for them well angles. Does i think more incorporates. More people although clarkson at times had assist ratios. That were so low. You're like you know you're allowed to pass those other. Four guys like you know you get to if you want to Ingles is also had shooting stretches. This season that you're like you see what this guy is doing. But also thinking just you can get their offense going a little bit more and i don't know what the defensive metrics are at the extremes accurate he guards guards. He guards always guards the other big wings. He's always stuck with those guys because people will like laugh about the match up you go. You know what angles fights like. He hangs in there a little bit. You know i'd rather have a guy who fights who's not as great athletically than whose great athletically that just doesn't care about concepts and his doing his own thing. Those guys cost you more possessions defensive guy that is just working his ass off all night just to cut off any driving lane. So what about rose. What about. Derrick rose. Kind of a star. I don't he isn't though i seems like cheating. Derrick rose could be in there. I was started you games this year. I got excited for brunson. And then i looked at brunson stats and i just couldn't justify why do i like them to. What's wrong with a high. I think he's really important to them. I you especially crunch time. I feel like if you know. He's the only other guy they have in the perimeter. Who can save up possession. If you know lucas double team. Whatever actually seems like brunson makes the right moves but his. That's just aren't good enough. Here's the other thing. I had for you last basically since the decision so every free agencies since two thousand eleven odd i think butler is one of the foremost important free agent signings of any summer since the decision and and i know that sounds crazy but i made a list durant gonna go. State is the most important Lebron going to cleveland in two thousand fourteen and lebron go into the lake. Two thousand eighteen are tied for second. I have durant as most important because they want to. Titles that did they would went three. If you didn't get hurt and i think butler's force and he's competing against david west. Go to the pacers. You just ahead of that With dollar going to the warriors al horford going to the celtics. Millsap going to the hawks coagulant clippers. They have one jack shit yet. Bogdonovich going to utah and rozier going to charlotte here. Why go to the clippers earlier ahead of millsap here. Well the think they'd give up all the pics. I'm just saying. I was amazed going through this. Don't ask why. I spent an hour on this. How few good free agent. Signings are very rarely. Does this workout. And you could argue that gordon hayward to charlotte is like a huge. Let's incomplete right now. But i'm saying like even the fact that that worked out is unusual. You know that that worked out for three or four months. Most of the time fridge decided he was greater suck. But we don't know aldridge to the spurs one. I forgot to mention And that one was a big deal. But you know the celtics didn't make the cut. Just horford i think would be the only one More the sixers not on the list. My yeah horford to the sixers knows. My point is I was shocked by half you. These big big we. We spent so much time trying to figure out free age saint to lebrons one in one butler and those were the only for the battered over the last ten years. You wanna know why though more on the butler signing was not it's good it's good but the reason why that was smaller as all those top guys the demand to be traded before they make it a free agency and then the team training unless they know they have something lined up already know so the the days of cap space which was always overrated in the first place. I remember fall for that shit all the time like ten years ago. I'd be like oh that's great. You're going have all this cap space. And they're gonna have cast base and finally getting up. Gm's talked like yeah. It's cool like you get to tell them media. You have a ton of gas phase and guess what happens. He's been fifteen million. Oj mayo because you have cap space and nobody wants to play for you. Itself takes were the best and worst scenario right where they they built cap space and they got horford and back to back years and on paper was great and only one of the two worked out and they spent a shit load of money ages. Never been cambe yeah. He's never been a big cap space guy though which i aged actually did explain it to me one time but it was another. Gm on he goes you know at least in trays. I know what i'm getting. Go caspi some waiting around planning for eighteen months with no idea who's gonna say yes and most people don't say yes to all right. You want to do the three questions. I you're not gonna like this. All my three questions were basketball related at into No i did too so this is something that used to do back the day. How would you knew your co host where you would ask a question about yourself and the other person has to answer about yourself. oh i i met a screwed. This game aqap questions for you i. I did differ gimmick. I just had three questions. That i was interested for your. It's about basketball. All right i can. I can work with that. Why don't we do this and we'll do your thing next week done. Yeah i sure. I could figure out through. Why don't you go first. So i can understand tone and causes gave you three. You don't even need to give me one. I i'm i'm happy to carry the worker. Will marcus smart being the celtics next season. I don't i mean it's so hard to move anybody i would. I would think that they would like to try something different. I don't have intel on that. I just have wider name enough olympic. Can i give you a little break down on this today. 'cause i was. I was chart in this game today. So they get down twelve. It's eighty seven. Seventy five and a lot of came became apart when he took the twenty nine foot three when they even have that in there. I couldn't keep track of them all kind. And i guess my frustration with is. It's almost like you know here. People talked about certain way. You know i knew all the years when i would talk about cousins i would just go like. Why does no one else seem to understand what i'm talking about and then i was the dick and there's a lot of this stuff that happens in the boston market with this. Where there's this love for him because all tommy points and everything and you just go. Yeah but there's a lot of other stuff too that i don't think you guys keep track of so eighty seven seventy five. The celtics get back into it with effort. And that's what i love. Is that if you're coach. That's probably all this guys are psychos. Because they're just like if you just tried a little bit harder. We could actually get back into this game and defensive effort. There's very specific play. Like evan forty was gonna get screened by bam. He was trying to get back to the ball handler. Which was original simon. So we worked hard to try to get around the screen and bam wasn't ready for his effort moves a little bit offensive foul turnover. Celtics have the basketball. It was all just because you wanted to try a little bit around screen all right so smart decides on another play. Eighty seven seventy five to help forty eight to double butler. Even though butler picked up his dribble gets burned the baseline cut bucket. All right cool Smart over helps again. Areso beats and baseline smart than came down and was the only guy to touch the basketball on a possession. Didn't look anybody else. Blocked layup bodies he bodies butler up thirty feet away from the hoop jimmy butler who is not known as a deep threat. Decide smart. they'll do. It's going to start working you with my body. Want to get my body right on you. Butler takes one jab step blows right by him layup so then smart gets mad and then over helps again. Defensively gets beat a back cut on a dunk. Then he's even more mad so then he drives into three people by himself no one else as the basketball blocked and then he dropped a pass out about and then he had a foul on butler because he was mad about an offensive possessions happen so smart will live in his own little world that is negatively impacting all of these possessions. That don't really show up other than just a missed shot attempt or a plus minus where somebody scores on his assignment his body and people up thirty feet away from the hoop to show. How physically is his defender as the guy goes right past him. I don't understand why more people can't figure this part out. It's amazing when he gets switched onto a big and holds up in a post that is such a lower percentage of defensive positions compared to the rest of the time. And the perimeter. Where i have no idea what he's doing. I don't think he's on the team next year. That was a long answer. Sorry it was a i. Listen you laid out a very compelling Play by play of the just what it's like when he doesn't have it in a certain game in in how damaging some of the stuff he can do during a game when he's not playing. Well the the bigger issue to me is that. I don't think athletically he's the same and i don't think his defense is the same. I don't think he's the same guy on that end that he was three or four years ago and he seems to think he is but i think he thinks he's the best player on the team. We've watched guys go by him for two years now but especially this year Us able to get it back together in the playoff game but guards can just go by him as you said. He's really good at guarding a post. Guys he's really good at making those nitty gritty hustle. Things i think he has an unbelievable relationship with other players where contenders would be like. Oh i would love to have marcus smart as our forth guy. That's the kind of guy we need a winner. And i'm with you. I love marcus smart. I think he's been pretty overrated. This year I think he thinks he's better than he is. And i think defensively we just haven't seen it like there is no way anyone who votes for him for all defenses shares. Not watching celtics games. And you note. There's no guard that it seems like he can really shutdown anymore. I think he's really at his best when it's like a bigger player that he can kind of get in his jersey like somebody in that six eight six nine range like paul george type. Yeah but i just my fear. And i know he got hurt earlier this year. We should mention that. But my fear is that you know. He's seven years in the week. Plus all the college stuff like. It's like a football player. Who just taken a lot of hits and his case like steak a lot of charges. He's always like flying sold always using his body. I mean even had a jump all the play today where he was incredible yen. I just even like even like back handed butler which no one releasing to catch rain by the. He's one of those things after the after the season. If they're like oh mar marcus. Mars of the herniated disc or marcus. Smart was playing with some injury that was revealed to after the year. Because that's the only way. I think you can explain what i've seen this year. Which is that. he's not the same athletically and defensively as it used to be. So you know he's a he's again. He's only seven years in the week. He's only twenty seven years old so the question if you're the celtics going into a contract year next year this mix clearly doesn't work He's like fifteen million. You could patch them together as somebody else i think he's the logical trade candidate and i loved watching him. I thought he was a big part of the three conference finals teams but i also think people are going to overpay for what he's done in years past versus what i watch this season. Yeah i just would soon as he puts that cape on uh-huh spike. Here we go. I love him. I want him to be good. I i i. I loved hurting for him. I think he's been tough to root for this year. I think he's been really radic and A lot of the stuff that he used to be really good at. We just haven't seen this year. I think we covered it. Yeah i won't do anymore okocha My next question for you is this out. The what would this is a little ridiculous sorbet who bitches. Mortar referee referees. American players perform worse. That's such a good question. Thanks because which is out of control. Donncha can yokich edge. Yeah it's just as much as dodgers. Does she sat on that day. I must say. I know it was bad last night. Every time he gets any. I do think that everybody now thinks that you're just not supposed to which is invisible bubble around you on every single shot attempt to around the rim. And you're like what. When did that happen. Like if you're driving your even with somebody your body's gonna touch and it doesn't mean it's always a foul and now i think everybody's like you touched me. And it's a fell I'm still going to american players. I mean the lebron lakers experience. Full-throttle is is pretty. Tough dame is borderline the entire game which is kinda weird because i love watching them play but he ends up in the ground and it just hands up. Doesn't want to get back on. Defense and just stares and i wish guys i wish i could do. I was actually watching some american rugby today. la verse new york. Shout out to The rugby league and they had this is unbelievable. You need to watch some of this by the way they had the ref mic'ed up in. There's no one in the stands and you could hear everything. Every player was saying to the and everything. The ref was saying back to the player and so the ref goes to the one side. I think it was in new york side's captain and goes. Hey get control of your guys. i'll talk to you. i don't wanna talk to anyone else. I love that if there was a designated complainer in the nba. Where we would just speed up. The complaining were no one else allowed to complain. The entire who'd be the celtics complainer. Forty-eight you just keep it moving okay lakers. Lebron would be like. I've got this. I mean smart complaints as much as anybody out there to lowry. Yeah wait a minute lowery. Lebron lillard all first-team cousins is american. And i've never seen a player checked out because of the refs quicker mentally than demarcus cousins. I mean he'd be the intros going. That guy's looking at me weird. All this is gonna suck blake. Griffin's coming off the bench but he is playing crunch time. He's most when he gets the most improved complainer award because he was like you know. He's off the radar there for a bit speaking. That's good. it's he's ever bad. I texted a couple of other yesterday about like blake griffin his back by back. I mean he's flopping bitching like like it's two thousand thirteen who are we forgetting. Who who are we. There's a lot more. Well westbrook was brought out intro. If he misses a shot he thinks he got fouled americans. I do think we've got it. Usa i did think donncha which is the single. Most petulant star now go bare does a lot of am i dying so he doesn't day thais although thais could get punched in the face and then i just can't believe ties didn't ever try to just choke hold somebody wants you think he would have just been like. I'm taking the fine. I don't care entice would just take it. He'd get his ass kicked. Did we go too far in the marcus. Smart stuff. Now i feel bad. I love marcus smart. I've just. I've just don't think he's been good this year. You like more than i do. Yeah all right. you're safe. I just i. I feel like we're going to find out after the year that he had some injury that they hid from us. Okay then i'll take back. Everything i said but i do think that there is an element of his confidence. That is a great fit with this group right now. I don't think you can be the well. You know with cameras year. Who knows but when things are righties the force fourth most talented guy. I overall before i need to shut myself up so i'm gonna stop. My third question would almost be a good one in the podcast on. I'm really excited for this. Is golden state passing on the mellow for wasmund officially disaster. No i'm not ready to say it's a disaster at all but it feels like one right now. You know i think that is aster either. No but why is a completely different situation. Because they weren't going to let them just make a million mistakes out there. That's what i felt like. I felt like they were coaching them where they were punishing it from mistakes where i think there's other rookies allowed to make a million. I mean anthony. Edwards can do whatever he wants and lamelo He the that his mellow more talented guy. Right now i mean. That's there's no question about that. His i was watching him play his brother. Night in lamelo is really good tonight. it did look like you might hurt his wrist but i think he's all right but i was thinking tonight. He did come back in he did. Come back in. and. I'm i'm sure it'll be okay If you just put him on this warriors team in you assume he's playing with the same. You know recklessness and all the stuff done in charlotte these put him even without clay with draymond an uber and some of the other ones with the way curry's played this year just would really enjoyed it. I think he would have fit in from an iq the way the game moves kinda intangible standpoint in a really really fun way. He's the jalan selfish. She is at the key would have been a second score for them today. I don't know why it never occurred to me until tonight. But i think i've had so much fun watching golden state this year. Just thinking like man if they'd taken lamelo and they had klay coming back and they had this minnesota pick. They have a chance to put together the most fun offensive team. You know since the two thousand seventeen worse basically It's just a bummer. I still really like wise as a talent. I think it's gonna take some time. The comp would be you know like jermaine o'neal and the blazers. How many years before he thirty minutes like three main germain had way more skill fundamentally though where wise men when he has those gifted moments physically. You're like oh my god who's that guy out there and for all the shit that we take lamelo deal which some of its deserved. No one ever runs any of the audio from a podcast closer to the draft. Where i was telling you i go. You know what's weird about. The lamelo story is that some of the teams that i trust that finally got him in. Were like hey you know what there's more there's more going on here than that disaster down in australia like this guy. This guy's got some stuff to him. And i don't know if kerr will ever admit to you because you have a tighter relationship with me you know. I would love to know how close men lamelo actually was where it was a pretty foregone conclusion. It felt like for the longest time that why it was always wise men and if there was ever any debate. I'm just wondering if there was ever any debate there were there. were like. maybe we go mellow. i think. That people underestimate is that he really wanted to go to charlotte. And i think he handled the interviews accordingly. Whatever the interviews interviews really hurt him with the other teams right. There's no question. There were teams that when they got him in the building they were like. Oh okay there's a little more here. I think when he did the charlotte interview and that whole week. He was gregarious. Russillo at an outdoor bar in manhattan beach hanging out with like five. la kings. Chris run end just great just in a great mood and then i think for some of the other teams. He was russillo outside a hotdog truck at two one in the morning and hartford with two guys coming up to him wanted to talk to me. I think that was his demeanor that status by takeaway i think charlotte got manhattan. Beach russillo in their experience. And we're like oh this is gonna be awesome. I am not sure. He showed that side to gold state of minnesota. And look you're taking somebody top three and if you're not clicking with them at all in any part of the process you're going to be scared to take them and golden state really liked wiseman and it still might be the right pick. I i think though that they definitely probably thought they were gonna get a little more out of him this year. I don't think they he was going to be this rough. They can say what they wanna be project. But i still feel like they thought he was going to play this year and you know i know that because they fucking started them. Yeah i mean even your your man jalen rose said the warriors he said that the warriors told the mellow they're going to draft him interesting all right anything that what you will all right. You're doing your pod twice. I'll be doing this pod to two more times tape. It and in-person podcast marissa. Who you me and fantasy and chris were doing our first rewatch ables in fifteen months in the same room. Zola's got our shots. The lounge in the same room was outbreak. Who did way nine. Yeah we did outbreak as the pandemic was going on not realizing what was going to happen with the pandemic but being worried that that was the worst case scenario and now fifty months later rebecca so there you go That's what i have gone any last words from you nick nurse. Hopefully this week the nurse man. I just wanna ask him. I'm gonna just like let's cut through the bullshit here when people talk about you and your defensive brought concepts they freak out so help me understand these. It may take a while. But i don't know with that. Why did you play ghazal. So much against the celtics. I won't leave with that. You're like what what's up with that guy like. Hey nick jonas show console just him a little bit too much. This weird thanksgiving. I played a All right so. We're we're back sunday starting next week. That's right sundays sundays. Next sunday night. That will be the end of the season just title. All the seeds be able to note the playoff matchups are. I'll have handled bats. We'll be ready to go. See them all right. That's it for the bill simmons podcasts. Don't forget about a new rewatch coming monday. Night lethal weapon two. And we'll be back on this speed on tuesday. See them won't we.