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Episode 30: Exploring the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico

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Episode 30: Exploring the Yucatan Peninsula, Mexico

"But you can't for another Schnitzer. Golden fifteen is my limit on suspicion of any problems. Dial information thank you for calling is going to be very popular tree. I uh-huh and welcome to your weekly goes for all things travel we are your hosts my name is Don Meyer airy Aaron. Thank you once again for joining us. Thanks for coming. Thanks for finding us. Thanks for spending some time with us. Thank you guys for downloading US ensuring tearing us with friends and family and loved ones. Indeed we don't mind you got Dr Yes indeed and area. Thank you for coming back as well. Last week I had to run a little solo. Hello there miss me a lot with Mike who doesn't miss you. I mean for real. I mean this. This podcast is not the same without you need your Solo. I did my first Solo. Run on an amazing how you did that. Actually not the fact that you did the session but content it was to and once I started going and it's hard to turn me off but yeah I'm glad to have you back lead heavy back in studio here and I'm curious to hear about your war curious to hear about pitcher adventures. You were down in Mexico and I figured it'd be a great opportunity for us to finish up on on the Yucatan now since we started doing it right before the break break coming back from the break I talked a little bit about traveling without ide- happy new year. Happy New Year again for everyone for those of you who are just coming back with with us again. Hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New Year's break and welcome to twenty twenty and it is the nearest you awesome smashing two thousand twenty. It's it's the year of the what again it's a rat. You're the Yes. Yeah the other at Chinese New Year coming up in a couple of weeks so next week for those nine nine in the part of the world and Yeah we're we're super happy to continue our adventures in Mexico and specifically the peninsula so last one we were introducing some of our favourite all inclusive resorts. You might have seen it interesting theme you you know. We talked about places in Cancun proper We came down to play Doh Carmen. And more. The the minor vera talked about Cho's mill and there's good reason for having that bit of variety if you will there's a ton of stuff to do on the Yucatan peninsula around some of the resorts but also a little further away from the resorts so we're going to be touching on attractions. We cover all the accommodation site side of things so we're going to dive into attractions. We've tried we've been that we really light. That's right and as well as I thought it'd be useful to talk about things to know before you go and try all inclusive resorts excellent excellent. You know. That's something that I think. We forgot to bring up there. We did talk about the accommodations. We did talk about the food. Yeah I'm in some of the amenities of it but I think you got an excellent point there what to prepare for before you down. So let's jump right into it saw. It's not in the order of priority. But I think you know do some research before you go and know the demographics at the resort that you choose to stay at some will oh cater a is important because some cater more towards families one of the one that tops within the family resort though he talked about is beaches beaches teaches you. Although beaches isn't Turksancacoes and in other locations not Yucatan Peninsula and in the summer adults only use they. Are you know and the one that actually just went in Los Calbos was adult. Only we can kind of go dive into it was interesting it was Lou. Are you Spanish chain rain. I think and there are three resorts attached to one another but to resort caters to different demographics. So I thought he would you know. I wish I also didn't do enough research. I felt like and so. We've we've found some differences in each resor in an Oh. We thought that this goal will be at the adults only but it was actually located in the middle section. We're just Kinda loud but it was catered towards family and I thought the music had the techno night. It's a pool. Oh Party and on Saturday night. But that's supposed to be a family friendly resort. I thought got pretty loud. So so just just a little thing like it's useful to now and some are more catered towards honeymooners. So if you want the privacy if you want a little bit more intimate to yourself and then your spouse partner well you're newlyweds so You WanNa try that out a little bit. You know who knows there are definitely resorts it'll cater towards those things and so jumping going into you know understanding that before you go down. There's probably going to be helpful in terms of maximizing your your enjoyment right and do your research on excursions. Yeah is there sport desk in at the resorts like especially for us. We like to go scuba diving and snorkeling. So it's always always nice to have you know when there's a activity desk in their company on side where they can sign up and they can take you to Scuba Godiva Catamaran tour or sunset cruise or instead of taking the transportation to appear somewhere else in any departs from there. You know you. Yeah I think it's easier if it's like a Hawaii and all but in it just depends on the plane. We tend to have transportation. Take us then we just stay at the resort so if you can depart from your resort to these excursions it's it's always. Yeah plus in its. That's another interesting thing too. Who I mean we? I think we talked about it when we talked about staying in Cancun that we did rent a car. I think in a couple of occasions and we that is an option two for you. There's there's definitely the option to rent vehicles. You don't have to rent them at the airport going to Cancun and there's a resorts at have car rental facilities on them likewise down in Playa del Carmen or up and down the Yucatan Peninsula there. You'll find rental car places. I'm driving around pretty straightforward Mexico. Exco the police officers don't necessarily get paid the same wages it we get up here and stuff like that so on occasion you might get pulled over and and the might charge you for speeding. Everything is paved right. It's every night even when we I rented a long time mm-hmm ago but it was unpaved in a we got into some sort of a like a security area with the around with Amazon and stuff like interesting interesting and they're looking at is like what the hell are you doing here. I know laws. We're trying to find global in several years later or even ten years fast forward. Yeah and it just seems like street saw more easier to yeah. There's there's just a freeway taking were they WANNA go down to to loomed pretty easy. It's easy going driving. There is not a problem at all like I said the only times you might have a little encounter is sometimes you might get pulled over for and on occasion. You know the police officers West for it's not a bribe of per se but they will ask for some cash to help that ticket go away way. Oh yeah so it would just be on the lookout for that. Those are things to take into consideration. so keep some cash on hand. That's about the best best thing we can tell you right. Just Dong gear off Romain. Stay on the main highway in your. You'll be fine and there's GPS but anyway so in in another thing. I wanted to touch on things to know before you go at all inclusive. I've heard this and we've also experienced this. They say it's all inclusive inclusive but he usually sometimes the premium real premium like are especially the wine they give you extra menu. Can you can pay extra so. Don't be surprised when you get it. You don't need to order those. There are plenty of selection and that's true for food to if I'm not mistaken sometimes Anton for heavily interfere lobster and steak and Philemon you certain resorts even Philemon in lobsters were included. We've stayed at those but then other resort. We've stayed at that. They make you pay extra also scuba diving. A spas those are not they include it and any snorkeling tours. Glass bottom boat tours does on nine and Dolphin tour so obviously obviously those excursions on not include it Wi fi I think for the most part are usually is starting to come in. And that's one thing it's been a nice convenient so we've seen as of late and in many resorts also comes with the credit resorts credit that you can use while you are on the property right right right but I've heard I actually did an experience. This by one of our friends who went to I think it was a moon palace that certain tours only offer certain days of the week and also a lot of solicitations for you. I'm tired please. Be careful become into them. If it sounds too good to be true it probably is so. Just be be wary leery of that with these these massive resort credits and stuff like that they may have you sit in a time share presentation you have to go through the sale fine print. We get excited. Once you get to the resort and you don't read those explanation page right so yeah just be careful and well. It's kind of common sense. I guess but the check the weather storms may be heading your way because I remember this was 'cause mail we wanted to go on the scuba diving but what. I didn't check the weather in advance and when it does change in the tropics but the storm was coming. We actually couldn't go about safety the reasons it's the right thing but yeah there are hurricanes will come down that far and on occasion cozumel and or Cancun will get hit When young keep your wits about you make sure that you're aware of that? It shouldn't deter you from heading down there. It's rare that they get those those types of storms and go through there but it is tropical goal. You get tropical. Storms that breeze through there on a regular basis it is a rainforest. I guess it's hot especially in the summertime. It gets very hot so do please do bring plenty of water and hat sunglasses and scream. And and that reminds me of chinn-shaw Ktar because one of our son actually started the have a feeling Super Ah-ha but the do venture out right. There's so much to see whole Yucatan attend area so many mayans ruined is just really worth in. That's the thing I mean. Most people will go down. There will be on the beach and they're staying at their hotel. But you know. Sometimes I just want to do that. Just the lounge by the full in front by their honesty C. N.. And we will go through that tractions minute but there's just so much to do and in so many varieties right soak in the culture. You can do that if you really want the ocean. The water sports parks ecological parks yet. Just choices are really quite interesting. Interesting things to do and you know it is rich with history was part of the Mayan culture. The minds had settled there as we're more in the central Mexico. The minds were off on the Caribbean side. And then the INCAS were south. I'm so there's there's a lot to see around the Mayan history and it's interesting if you oh you go back and look at mine history. The mayans kind of were dominant for a while. And then when the Europeans started to come through the mines is kind of disappeared they kind of blended into the the the jungle inserted mixing around with the local people and stuff like that but the ruins left behind or just fantastic amazing mazing to go through so where they're they're so many of them in world we'll jump right into it right now. Looks looks starting your own. Yeah I know but just a few more things. Another things to know Bring Emoji ogm point you motivate earpiece. We've had enough occasions okay. So one trip we took west of the island glazer. I'm his the came with lunch and it was a wonderful island. Cedar was to order. ooh I think it was a buffet style. Anyway but the food was served on a plastic plates. And not the paper plates. Where you're GONNA toss right? Never reach us so just you know watch out for those things and make sure to. Food is served on the disposable paper. Not Plastic plates away. What did you finding the back of the restaurant buckets year? I mean the plates get recirculated back into the general population. We shall say they this assist say at least at that particular time hygiene wasn't super. How shall one say administered? If I guess and you'll hear of MONTEZUMA's revenge MONTEZUMA's revenge she. Oh it's it's kind of a little plug that hits from eating different different foods or exposed to different things. It can't happen so to your point. It really good rule of thumb. Bring PEPCO bring a modem ad something that's GonNa help with with that God right and two more things. I JUST WANNA quickly cover for those Tequila lovers who we love we like to Keeler. We like we like we learned Mexico. We love Mexican people. They're awesome the music bird and food and Tacos Fajitas and so talking about drinks. Don't Julio's does just to give you an example. Yes and there are many other high end brands that you may like. But don't think I think that they just going to simply just serve you. They probably going to serve you. What brand would be like or but if you do on specific kind do ask and then have a couple of loose dollars in handle fi box or whatever and then just and if you're just going after a standard Margarita? Uh you don't really care just gonNA throw whatever Tequila. They got there. But if you are a Tequila Fan and you get some good Tequila slip the bartender. I think we talked about this last time. It was from the different. A friend like yeah so we touched on it but I have some cash on hand on hand in Handy and and that goes a long way and even though you you're staying in an all inclusive resort and you know chances are you're you're drinking plenty of good stuff. He wants some of the premium stuff. It take care of the bartenders because they'll take care of you. They are awesome. Yeah really really good people. They're out there to have a good time. They want to make sure that you're having a good time. If you take care of them hands down they'll take care of you and then check out daily activities. Yeah they're so much to do at each to resort so so I know you can do plenty epsilon site but then there are a lot to do outsi so let's go talk about directions so we've been at the resort. We've done a lot of the the daily things but we were in Mexico. We want to see some cool things. So where's one of the first places if you're visiting the Yucatan peninsula for the first time that you should go got to go to cheats anytime Anita Church and eat Sir yes sir. Yes C. H. I. C. H. E. N.. Space Church in needs a is you. You wonder if the world you know it is. It's a world heritage site is well yes it is a very well preserved town a really large kind kind of Mayan. It's a big place city. Yeah it was. It's got one of the most famous pyramids all of the Yucatan called L. Castio and and it is central in Chichewa. It's really wild before you could walk all over L. Casteel nowadays. It's all roped off but when you get there the pyramid yeah when we first went there you could go up this pyramid. You're just Mayan Ruins shape like pyramids and it's built by Mata people twelve twelve hundred years ago. Yes yes and it's quite spectacular. Actually if you go up nowadays it's just barricade and you can't do that anymore because I think that was really ruining right. Yeah well people climbing all the reindeer exactly but coming down that Pyramid Charlotte's. It's amazing. How they built it? You know that many many years ago technologies and and all that is just amazing. It's a huge place. Yeah go ahead. I was just GonNa say is an in massive massive structure but it's super super impressive and it is a a definite Treasure for all of the Yucatan ten. It definitely showcases. The extent of the Mayan civilization was a very very large if not the largest of the Mayan cities and likely early to have been one of the mythical great cities that came about in literature around that time as well so Real diverse population of Mayan people. That live there a lot of what they did in terms of activities or events even some of the more brutal things that into the US do sacrifices Akra ffices there as well halters and stuff like that. A lot of that history is preserved in the buildings in the inscriptions. And if you get a local guide the walkie through the different parts of of the town There is an observatory that was there as well. There's a well there where they go through a lot of the sacrifices in their games like a basketball ask you ball game that they used to play there as well and you could memory hours and hours and hours. They're just walking around the different ruins. It's a huge place you can easily spend and hours right and you love history. I love huge site. You read about it and you visit and then you admire yeah and it can be very hot got old during July August peak summertime so please have like we were saying earlier. Have plenty of fluids. Yeah can I take fluids and then bring water the whole Yucatan as I said before. It's like a rainforest and here. Is this massive city kind of cut out of the rainforest greenforce so to get to it. You gotta go through the rainforest. It's hot it's tropical. It's you know it can be a bit oppressive. The structures themselves really well preserved beautifully beautifully. Intact you can walk on some of them you can get up close and personal with some but L. Casteel. You cannot walk on it anymore. I'm it is roped off and roped off for good good reason. I guess people and tourists were taking taking advantage of it. But like I said get a tour guide in from any of the major resorts any of the resorts up and down the Yucatan Peninsula easily over there. And take you there or you can rent a car and drive their yourself. We actually did to be dry both times we drove. Oh I think we drove one time in the other time we took a tour with your folks and then the kids and the kids right right right okay. That was a tour. Okay yeah either way. It's easy really really the if not the most famous Oh my goodness popular and you don't go to Geneva smack yourself in the head because it's the right place to go to. It is an amazing amazing place. So talking of this kind the Mayan Ruins what will be the next one Mazzi. If you say this will for me the next ruin would be Koba. Oh really not. Too Long to loom is awesome but remember Koba. It is not as Well preserved as Chichinadze really high. I pyramid and you can walk all over it like auto breath. Oh man who. It is kind of off the beaten path away from kitchen going further into the center of the Yucatan Peninsula. But when you get to the top of the jungle sane. Yeah Oh my mom was amazing. Yeah I if you can do both kitchen needs and Koba check those two out again and really well. Preserved is a beautifully big city. Kobo was this massive pyramid in village areas around just jungles been taking it over so so it's Kinda interesting. That's roped off. I don't think so. It's been a while since we've been there but I don't know if you remember when we drove we drove up parked there and it's just like a little wooden fence and pay an interest. Fini walk through this jungle and boom. There's the wrong in time off the way we can go up the pyramid hit all the major ones exactly exactly so those are cool and then to lose one for me so to loom is. It's another Mayan ruin. It's actually facing the The the Caribbean coastline. The ocean of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula Zillah. And it's known for its beaches and it is pre- pretty well preserved. I will say and it's a very ancient Incheon city. It's very interesting there at that time. Local selling drugs and things in bags and blather stuff and all those you know. Yeah did you say that to loom was actually the port for Koba portfolio. Right there in the Yucatan there. Right at the C.. To your point is well could get you over to cozumel and Cozumel was an island. Just just off the Yucatan. There are two so really important area for the Mayan civilization and it was one of the last cities built an inhabited by by the Mayans between the thirteenth fifteenth centuries and then the Spaniards came in in the as I said the miser kind of crept back into the into into the jungles with the legend. Has it a lot of people felt thought that the minds just died off but realistically they kind of melted back into general population maintaining some some of that culture but as well holding onto the language in in things of that nature so really quite interesting until absolutely gorgeous right there on the the Caribbean coast. They're gorgeous a beach. Areas is quite quite lovely in the garage sales. Take him the ruins not a good shape. INSTAGRAM squirm spot. Yeah Yeah exactly. And how far is it from Cancun to loom is about an hour and forty minutes to give you an idea and it's in the state of have content aroo there there's cozumel proper which is northern Yucatan Container Ruas a status down south there And that's where to loom khanates Koba those major ruins are And just google to loom just the pictures just gorgeous absolutely. Yeah so that's another the place that we highly recommend and you'll spend maybe about an hour down there just bopping around some of the ruins looking at the beach to your point through some shops there you can by local rug or something like that in back in the bus and head back up the peninsula. That's right and so another place that I want to mention is apply their Carmen. Oh they have a good hospital to all this they do. We talked about that but anyway. That's about an hour from Cancun sang-keun and that's also. There are tons of restaurants tons of shops. It's also easy ferry very right to Cosmo yes it is so when you go there you can just easily hop on the ferry and in Take a short trip to 'cause Mel against spend spend the whole day there. It's just a fun town. A lots of restaurant options if you get tired of resort in. It's what's cool about that is that you take the ferry from from the I'm sorry with the port was again the plateau you head into two or two. What am I talking about? Going into. Cozumel and most restaurants shops are right there at the port. So you don't have to venture too far you can spend kind of a day excursion if you will go in there and just kind of bopping walk around the different shops and restaurants in you know checking out the local flair and stuff like that Cozumel's a really interesting interesting little town and now a lot of Tom Villas probably AIRBNB or yeah. It's a lot of single family home that you can rent your and ocean front and and there are some resistors well which are so. That's another place that Each city each location offers. Its own unique. Take the pants on what you looking for that. We talked about during the last episode where we cover Cancun and all and if you're gonna go to cozumel so do yourself a favor as well and go down to chunk knob chunk half to checkout Chonkin odd because it is for snorklers for scuba divers for people I would just like lazy beaches or if you WanNa frolic with some dolphins. It is an amazing amazing place. Chana is an adventure park it is is located just a little bit south on cozumel facing towards the Yucatan Peninsula. So if you get on the take the ferry across you can hop on on Local transport you can get a cab. Whatever it'll take you down there? I think there's buses as well. That'll run down there. You can organize a tour right from the the The port there to I'm head on down there. Bring your bring your bathing suits. There's restaurants down there. It's just a really wonderful parked to frolic around and it's just one of the best reefs Out there you go. That's the other thing it is. It is a review. No one of the key diving spots all of the Yucatan area. Oh my goodness. And they're a dolphins and we did a Yeah with the kids And you actually wear this vest in. The dolphins actually actually going to open dolphins. If you think about how many times do they have to do it in a day. But superfund with kids any out there. There's this lending area right that you just go out there in the ocean with this mesh kind of metal landing you keep on walking out. They're dolphins common me. You and take you out there and then come back back in really quick. It's awesome and then like I said Chonkin is one of the best diving and and snorkeling spots. Go out to you. Know this part of Mexico and We've done a couple of times we've done scuba diving. Maybe we can talk a couple of excursions. Though we've taken it got a little interesting in a little scary actually but so so the first one that we took. I think it was a snorkeling trip. We did the shallow snorkeling tour in the deep. End Right what they did. I don't know if that's the case today by you. Get on this boat and the not the wetsuit. What is what is the life jacket was optional? Aw and if you don't want some people want to dive and I don't know did we even aware I so would leave so I think a lot. We don't think I chose to wear a life vest. What they do okay? We will see you over there so we we just go slim that way and what happened we. Well we we booked this this snorkel tour through the chunk brief area and to your point it was a shallow reef dive or snorkel tour a deeper reef snorkel tour and the shallow was really cool unlocked by octopus. And you get up close with the reef and with the fish and there's always amazing then it's okay cool have doing that. And then next part of the day were off doing a deep and diverse underneath with a sphere. Study were spearfishing so it's really deep. I mean drops you off. And then it takes off a a mile down the coast and yeah we're cruising in the reef is gorgeous and there was a huge group or underneath us. I scuba divers as just another couple. Remember that deep dive. I know but I'm saying there is a big nose dive. There's a big old fish that was underneath us. Oh I'm sorry I thought you were talking talking about people me in another couple so just the four of US dropped off in the middle of the ocean okay. The boats going to go that way about mile mile down and he just keep on swimming. And we're gonNA find you or the current. Oh kind of help us so it was amazing. Say but unbelievable dive up. Just four of us in the ocean and We're swimming towards her. Boat can look down into your point and it's massive fish underneath a scuba divers all over the place the reef EST healthiest can be absolutely gorge justice. Chunk Anna if you know if he's just so in your if you like snorkeling live reefs and fish or diving or whatnot you gotta check it out but you know if you think about these as might be a similar type of snorkeling trips that you can take in Hawaii and one. This was a lot different. So maybe my WanNa grab if you're not comfortable. The swimmer the would put your vest on her. Have a vest with you you can float around. We didn't choose vests were good swimmers. Were pretty comfortable so I was okay with it but if you just get dropped off that might be. It's a little tour is not like that. It's just the one that had This was a long time ago so I don't remember the name of the the the tour group. I don't remember what it was either. But going back to chunk of the park itself when we took your folks in the kids with us you and your dad and our oldest boy ended up doing an introductory scuba course if you will real which was it. Tell us about that. That was kind of fun to Inchon in in chunk so my husband just push you should go. You should diving. One of us has to watch a young one so he stayed back and he kind of probably watched US diving from up above some some point my dad at that time way he was fifty and he just got the diving even before he got his diving license. Since I don't think he'd been diving like certified diving inside that's right. Yeah so this is an experienced dive so he you basically have a real brief briefing. You do this you do that. You blow this way you put this in your mouth and breathe and Dan. I was certified at that time. My other son who went with us I think he's done experienced eyeball has he not. I don't think so. I think he just did late where he had a reggae his mouth mask but that was about it never really were never had a tank on them or anything. So you don't think about it. I have the two others to to watch ashore. Inexperienced you have to carry does a heavy duty gear and you would forget to inflate at your mess. Hov Best and that's the one thing my dad forgot to do with this heavy tank. I'm keeping an eye on my son at that time and in some if I'm if I'm remember quickly to get into the water to walk down steps right. So you're you're walking with your heavy gear on towards these steps and he just walked down the steps in your into the water right. Dad walked down steps. And what did he do and they he started thinking and then I'm like literally screaming because he just came up for a water water somehow use all his strings. He's sinking down. It's getting deeper in an. I'm trying to pull him up and screaming at the same time and Kim. Somebody not helping. And I don't think about invading your vest because I don't know what he's done at that point right getting into the water and then in the meantime I was paying attention to my son because because there was a cave in hand my son going on during towards it and going into the Cave while my dad is drowning basis. Which one am I going to save? Of course young one. Yeah so I'm sorry but oh my gosh so that I'm screaming somebody. Just I got attention in a heap. pull him out in. My Dad's is on and you had to hold onto your fins to inflate and thank God mine was inflated. Maybe I checked is make sure my sons was an. I would've figure my dad is listening and doing doing all those things. Oh my Gosh I was so mad at you making me go and these two uh-huh my goodness. It was amazing. It was pretty cool. I remember I remember but by this time the time I saw you guys you're with the group in and cruise around I was up above you guys and I think the water may have been like thirty feet thirty five feet of the most. It wasn't like super deep but he hunts. It's plenty deep. I was snorkeling above. You guys remember diving down and checking everything out. I Remember Your Dad. Just kinda wandering off by himself in the divemasters got a knife and hit in the back of his tank. Frank get everyone's attention goes garesh. He said he kept on you. So you're poor dad. It was eager. He looked super eager to get that but man but things are a little bit more easy. Going's say Mexico a couple of dollars. Yeah you I WANNA go snorkeling or scuba diving. Sheriff come on down so it's pretty easy going but Danzig was is that you don't need to have a ton of experience and you can check these things out for yourself off probably good to go with someone who is certified some challenges but it had the statue I forget. Yeah yes it's on the floor on the bottom and then is this. How do you call it like it's just the mounds of fish school of fish forming foaming? This like a tornado looking right formation. Yes and there's the yellow parch or whatever and just a big fish small fish. It's beautiful once I got over it. Oh Oh and then towards the end. My son's tank was almost empty. He needs to go from the beginning till the end it was. It's not as well but the ocean is gorgeous. or She's gorgeous. Water temperature is really warm. Clarity is amazing. There's tons and tons and tons. I don't know if I recommend the experience scuba dive but just do these certified dive year year probably going under a trial thing. It was just too scary for malice. It was for me. But if if Scuba snatcher thing and you'd rather just snorkel tons to see even snorkeling and like I said life I followed you guys out. I was above you. I was looking at stuff. There's tons of fish to see the shallow areas you can go cruising around in turtles that come through there occasionally as well really really really cool place yeah turtles and just the color of the corals and the health the reef and it's it's so worth earth is so Chonkin up absolutely H or k n Ab Yup and you can get from mill or you can also get excursions from the Yucatan peninsula as well. You can probably find it in any of your hotels take you on a bus down to apply to Carmen. Shoot you on the ferry. Boom boom boom boomer. Where you go? It's definitely worth it. If you like snorkeling you love Dolphin encounters or you want a Nice Lazy Day on a protected beach where you're guaranteed to see stuff absolutely absolutely worthwhile place so talking of diving and in color of the ocean and now I do want to talk about those or horse. Yeah aw man no. Am I pronouncing not yes. Yeah and so this place we discover. I don't know this. This was a fifth trip Tribu. We didn't discover this place right away. I didn't hear about it. It's not as popular that time as kitchen nita rum around other locations show. How at least that's my how I found it? But Somehow we we stumble over this and so we win. It's a crystal clear water You can go diving or you can go snorkeling incorrect. And and the water was a little chilly. Wasn't it yeah. It's fresh water from a these limestone caves in your actually your snorkeling in in freshwater limestone because we can go scuba diving in these caves in his absolutely spectacular amazing this formation right under the water of the cave. Oh my God. So he can't be pretty scary for maybe small kids because he does get pretty narrow arrow. Yeah at times between the water and in caves and then this pointy your. Yeah what is this. Is this the limestone. Yeah and there are little dips and things like that you can go under. And these little like era of holes from the bottom to you have to navigate through its tight stalagmites all over the place. Yeah but the color of the water is a turquoise with this lighting from the natural lightings with the cave and just the whole atmosphere. It's like experience in the further when you go the less natural light there. Isn't you start to see flashlights. Coming on and here's a scuba divers underneath the flashlights cruising around in the cage and really freaking cool it's a really neat place and a cool thing that the kids really grooved on. Not only can you go scuba diving or snorkeling. In these cases you can also go jumping off these these peers in in in splashing around and having a good time. There's a little fish that live in the caves. Remember the little fishy is what are they like to do each Atto. They like to suck on your toes. Ah Up and eat the skin off your toes and stuff like that fishy. Spa of like the fish is like. Oh my God. That's why they call from and it was really really cool. The kids it's got such a kick out of the fish. Come up and it's Kinda tickled a little bit a little unnerving. Zeal these fish but it doesn't hurt or anything like that no come cruise around with you jump around have a great time. It's fresh fresh water so you're not as buoyant. I'm so bear that in mind swimming in a pool. I'm so if you're used to getting around in the ocean you jumping point you're gonNA think fast so it'd be wary of that. The cage themselves are a really spectacular Muscovite and especially violence. You're certified in right right right. The cool thing another cool thing about that is again on the Yucatan. It's warm but the water itself temperatures around. Well let's say seventy five five seventy seven degrees that it was chilly. It's refreshing I nine and sticky. Because it's fresh cameron as you bring your own great in the fish that you off your dead skin I mean what more do you want. It is really really cool. And you do feel cleanse so remember remember dossier hosts it means to is The the sonatas the caves. It's fantastic again so find it in your your hotel excursion desk. Tell tell me what to go to those hosts and man it is worth it. So how long were there. Were there for a while right because it was a combination of a snorkeling at this Shinoda and then there was a beach year. That's right snorkeling. We saw like style was like like bathwater waters contrast really interesting. And I think we have. Lunch didn't wasn't their lunch or something like that. It was provided eh had drinks and stuff like that so check out with your excursion desks. Make sure that they have food and drinks and stuff like that for if not there are like little restaurants or a little like snack shops. Nothing like Super Sit Downey restaurants. It's not that kind of place. Do check out an excursion that offers a lunch on lunches were fine. The drinks were great in the kids. It's a great place for the kids. The kids all had a bad a blast. It was fun. They shared it so I will move onto equal archaeological amusement parks. You'd read and Shell Har- are the next one that I i WanNa talk about x x Ray X. Keret C. A. R. E. T.. And the other one is a X.. L. Dash h a shell Har- Those are the attractions for those. You Know Ocean Lovers and water lovers one of them comes is with the underground river. Yes yeah there's a Lazy River I think in the shell. Aw You pay a fee and and you. There's a children's playground. Mangrove Foca forest snuggle you know spot zip-lining yes S. is right and there's a jungle trail engine not so there Jesus as well yeah and you know probably more so. It's a good. It's near to loom. It's a great attraction one of one of the tragedies. I think for the whole family to visit. It was kind of cool about shell high in particular. It's it's Kinda on its own little peninsula a little stretch of land. It has a natural aquarium. I guess they built an artificial reef in the sea. Water comes in the fish. Come in. You're guaranteed need to see fish. You're guaranteed to be able to frolic around with fish people with a bag of like a brand. Yeah Yeah and you can go and feed as well. It is an amazing mazing place for the fish itself because the the encounter there. It's an artificial reef. Oh the natural water comes in the fishes are all coming through there just tons and tons and tons of stuff to see there there's Groto and cave and like I said activities for small kids to you know more adult activities ladies and then jungle trail so much to do zip lining. I haven't done zip-line Michelle back here. It'd be a lot of fun to airport your point the river tour. There's there canete the cave itself you can do cliff diving to if you want to. There's just so much to do. You can spend the entire a day in Shell because it's just there's there's lockers. Various he can bring a bunch of stuff others restaurants there. Two point zip-lining all sorts of stuff up to do there if you're really into kind of ecological water you know that type of thing checkout show. You won't be disappointed. It's a lot of Aoki. Yeah okay I think it's absolutely trip do back to Cancun. Oh yeah absolutely war. Actually the south is where we just a little bit. North of that is the echo park called. Correct ex. Correct is One of the best parks. I think around the Mayan Riviera as well Huge it's conveniently located just a couple miles. South of comments was a little further north. Then Michelle haw show has just just a bit north of just north of that going towards play Carmen. You'll find X.. Correct correct is just very very fun. A lot of things things to do there. One of the cooler things to do though is the the night show. They have a spectacular show our journey through Mexico Code Journey through the mind culture and that sort of things like pollination exactly cultural center out of exactly right there you can also swim with dolphins is a dolphin encounter there as well just animals beaches in fauna and flora. It's just an amazing amazing park again. Another one of those places you can spend hours just there plenty of attractions plenty of amenities as well safe for the kids. Bring him along. There's there's beaches where the kids can hang out at. There is artificial reefs where you're guaranteed to see efficient have a great encounter. There's the dolphin encounter as well where you can swim like like Superman pushing your feet too so much stumbling checkout taking get on this like a jeep explore. Yeah yeah admission admission like exactly right and you can also check out sea turtles. They've got a crocodile farm. There I think as well where the CAYMANS are there. Manatees Hannity's manatees over there to soak in the culture you can soak in the The Water Sports Land Sports. It's it's a good place to Bay it really fun you can do snowmobile tours erse Nuba. There's eight restaurants. There's cafeterias in bars like you said if you're just in for a really relaxing kind of away from the resort into more of Mexico. In the Yucatan is all about check check out excavated park it is. It's huge plenty of legacy of of stuff to do in tons of tours come in and out of there all the time and and if you go to excavate dot com there tons of packages you can mix and match like X.. Correct plus Shell plus to loom. al-tv just want you know the tour guide I to just to take you to all those places right. Renting a car exactly correct kitchen needs or any of those combinations one hundred percent. Correct it really worthwhile while I'm in like I said it's not your your resort. It is immersing yourself into the the Mayan culture that you Catan the eligible. It's food yeah absolutely your travel travel. It's what we're all about. That's why we all back so you know talking about this makes me wanNA plan a trip. Oh man this is near put added a government. Yes Yeah Yup just south of Playa del Carmen kind of I would say between two lumine. Playa del Carmen. You'll find frontier of activity absolutely an and even you know like we were talking about you had to play Carmen Plateau carbons town. There's good restaurants nightlife and stuff like that. so you staying around that area you check it out. There's the the ferry that'll take you over to Cozumel Cozumel's got Even on Cozumel there's a ruin as well in the ruins. Okay I mean it's not as impressive as Chichewa it's called San Gervasio San Gervasio. What's cool about that is? There's I think there's iguanas on. Is that the kind of roam around that That that ruined site. So it's it's Kinda cool but you know it's not as impressive as kitchen if you are really really interested in ruins kitchen to loom Koba. Those are places Kgo San Gervasio if you're on cozumel check it out. It's it's kind of neat but what's really really cool is the jungle around the Wada's near this stuff really loved it. Got Really Echoes Mail. It is the resorts the shopping. The restaurants wants and the swimming. You can't go wrong there then when you go back to the Yucatan Peninsula. There's just so much more around the Mayan ruins up and down the peninsula itself. Just an amazing amazing place just so beautiful Lindy and there's a belise on the N- just below bullies which we we're going to check that out so maybe do those two locations you know next but anyway we a little but Any other was Islamiyah's we talked a little bit about. It will remove hairless tons of beautiful tropical tropical talking about guaranteed to fish. They're absolutely right. That there's little statuettes and stuff like that to their building artificial reefs around it. There's plenty the tours from just about any of the hotels in Cancun itself where you can get on a boat ride to go to east Lamma headers a gorgeous beaches tons of snorkel local spots. Good shopping if you will. There's some restaurants and stuff like that too especially near the The peer in. There's a lot of tours that you can take. That will have food. Be Be weary of the food. At least it was couple years back where we caught MONTEZUMA's revenge there may happen. It may not. Hopefully it doesn't goodall food was delicious just about the after Effects Anyway Modem when you're good to go Islam hitters wonderful little island. It's just north of Cancun Cancun and you can take a ferry yup and there's all sorts of water activities activities you can do you can do para sailing over there as well. It's just an amazing amazing place awesome. Yeah that's that's a good place to be in an. It's not that far not not at all so if you especially staying in Cancun 'cause you wanna experience Cancun to their tons of restaurant. There's that we talked about it but so one trip. You Go Cancun if you can stay long enough. You can hit all those absolutely even if you're at the hotel zone checkout Cancun city city not the hotel zone area but the city itself. Lots of shops lots of different cultural things. If you can get good bottles Tequila all sorts of crazy stuff you can go to Eastland Mohana as our rent a car drive down to to loom. You know there's so many options in so many different ways to to explore love. The cultural cultural side of things like the Mayan Ruins. But we also love the beach so tend to favor the beaches in the water stuff. So another thing which you know. I do want onto explore next but optimal M. A. L.. It's which is above Shohada above to loom below cozumel. I mean I'm sorry across from Cozumel below player that occur men. They are lot of I heard that the single family home that are rented out Russian Russian front and you get the whole house right the Washer Dryer. And I'm pretty sure you can hire a chef that's another way to we bumped into to A lady who goes there pretty often with our family and she was just telling me all about in and she was like A. He should do that so definitely. That's one of the next things we want to try and check out is doing that. It's it's like an Airbnb you rent a villa love in some of these are beachfront villas of really close to the beach. Run its and then go to X. Career one day and then you come back to you own Villa Ella. If you if you do it right you you hire a chef and the chef is preparing your meals for you know under that's absolutely that is We definitely get a check okay. Well we got a plan that said yes. I hope you'll find this information useful. So for those of you who have been down there before. Maybe haven't checked out some of these other places. Those your first visit to the Yucatan Peninsula do checkout kitchen needs to do checkout Kabul to loom these these ruins. You will not be disappointed. Check check out the beaches on the parks or amazing. It is just an amazing amazing place. Yeah Fun Fun Fun. Yeah so yeah and for those of you that. Do you know who who has been to other ruins in this area. Are Kamal in another area. visit down to Belize. Please do share your tips yes please and recommendations. Yeah we'd love to hear love to hear your recommendations we'd love to feature them in in one of our podcast says well definitely give a shout out on our website down and be sure to sign up for our our newsletter as well to learn about our next episodes. It's red be informed of our our latest comings and goings and speaking comings and goings. Were we going to be going to next thinking maybe Singapore I mean for our applications or the episodes four episodes occasions. I mean come on episode Wise Singapore. We haven't done Tokyo already all right more to talk about outskirts of Tokyo. Talk my God talking about hot springs. There's so many of them right all the yeah. The prefecture's no next to Tokyo and in or close by their tons of gorgeous places. Assist to visit absolute. So we're going to cover that. We haven't done the rest of the cruise Mediterranean cruise Baltic Baltic cruise Sierra maybe Malaysia. Bali definitely talk. We have to talk about the UK. Talk about Italy. Talk about some L. Main. We've talked a little bit about Spain before and I'm going to be going back to a pretty soon too so talk more adventurous in Spain too so as you can hear lots and lots of lots of places to go. Oh my goodness. It's January but the ticket to Barcelona for those of you who live in this area in the bay area tickets are they. Were all right now. So another location to be in could be calling sanctuary on the beach. It sounds good to me back in school kids. Yeah just leaving with the in laws whatever you know forget about school at school anyway so yes coming up. We've got a lot more to cover in Japan Asia Australia New Zealand. We've got support the Baltics. There's a lot more places to go and we've got some vacations planning will be talking about those in the future episodes so with I know that on behalf of everyone here purely podcast. Thank you very much joining us. 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Actor Hacks

Casting Actors Cast

21:59 min | 2 years ago

Actor Hacks

"Well, of course, there are some things that you can do to help you feel better about your at. Let's let's just call them after hats hats per actors. I love. Casting actors cat incites actors on acting in the business of show casting director, Jeffrey drives Bach takes you behind the scenes and reveals secrets to successful acting career. You can find out more on the web at casting actors cast dot com. Please joy liken share casting actors cast. Now, here's your host Jeffrey dries up. Well, hello. And welcome to another episode of casting actors cast. I'm Jeffrey dry about casting director mccorkell casting. And how are ya? I excited because this is the first episode of our second year, we're going into year two of doing these podcasts called casting actors cast, and I couldn't be more excited, by the way. Thank you so much for those people who sent me well wishes I got some audio well wishes as well through casting actors cast dot com, lots of really very, very heartfelt and genuine nice comments. I can't get over it. And I'm so grateful to you for joining us today on the beginning of our second year. I always say that as long as there are people out there listening. I'm gonna continue to do these podcasts because they're so much fun. But this is the podcast for actors. We're giving insights what goes on. Hind the scenes maybe some tips, and some ideas that you might want to consider as you launch. Or maybe you continue to grow your acting career. I want to now give great big shout out to the university of Washington where I just got back from a two day workshop with the MFA students at university of Washington, and they were really really exceptional and patent. I had a just a wonderful wonderful time. I just love traveling and seeing the work that's being done universities across the country. And this is a very very busy time for but for us both as in casting work, but also in workshops, and traveling and seeing showcases of college and university students that come to New York, and then we've been invited to go out a lot as well. And it's very fun. I really love love love doing that. Again. The university of Washington was just cry. Right. Wonderful wonderful training program. They're they are really doing it. Right. And of course, you know, if you've not been to Seattle Seattle is one of those kind of magical places that you go there new just wanna stay you just want to say, that's it. I'm just going to kind of turn it all in and stay here in Seattle. But no, we got an plane. We just got back to New York to day. And I am thrilled that you're joining us. So this is that moment of the program. I just wanna say, thank you. If you go to casting actors cast, all one word dot com. You can check out the website. You can check out some past episodes. If you're the first time Joyner here today. Oh, man. That's awesome. Thank you so much. And if you've been a regular listener of casting actors cast, I've got a whole list of programming ideas that we're going to jump into. And so I really appreciate your loyalty, you're sticking around your checking in and these podcasts are only twenty minutes in length. I don't get paid anything to do this. I just kind of love doing it. And they're free to you. So please have at it. Please invest in little bit of time once a week because I think I have a pretty positive message about being an actor. And today's episode we're calling actor hacks. I get a big kick out of coming up with great names or titles for podcast. I guess sometimes I even to confession. Sometimes I even come up with a name. I I tried to decide what what content should I include? But this was one that I had a lot of content, and so I came up with the name actor hacks, and that really relates to having some good inside tips for helping you feel better about your work for helping you feel like you're part of a really cool community, especially when you go out in addition. And there are some little kind of I keep on saying tips and tricks. I don't mean anything mischievous what I mean is things that you can do for yourself that you might not have thought of some easy methods by which you can garner. Some additional attention for yourself. At a positive way as an actor and things that can help you feel better about the work that you do. So that's why we're calling this actor, whether you know hacks, you know, people talk about hacks as that you can take a, you know, a tuna can and turn it into a Cup holder for your paper clips and office supplies. You know what I'm saying? Like little kind of trick things. You can do. I don't know where I came up with the tuna can't idea. But anyway, I hope you understand what I'm talking about what I talk about actor hack. So that's what we've got coming up here on casting actors cast. Let's get to it, shall we? So I have an entire list of hacks that I think are really worthwhile. Just kind of throwing at you things for you to consider that you might not have thought of and ways in which you can really be empowered. Because you've got the tools to make really cool fixes in situations that you might find yourself in. Especially when you're going out in dishing. So the first kind of a hack it is not really a hack, and I hope you might have thought of this at one point in time. But number one is trying to find a way to be a reader a reader for additions, whether you contact a casting director, whether you contact agent that might have a a line on some editions going on. Maybe you are familiar with the director may be contacting that director and saying listen, if you're doing some editions, I would love to be a reader any way by which you can become a reader during auditions is probably the most significant experience you'll have because it's will speak directly to you as an actor. In other words, when you're a reader, and if you don't know what to read her is let me just say that you're hired to help the actor who is auditioning. So whether it's a film or television project, or whether it's a theater project that you are either behind the camera or you're off to win side in. The room and you are playing the other parts to someone's audition. Now, what makes this such an affective thing as a an I'm kind of not a hack, but it is kind of a hack is that you will after one day. It'll be like having a master's class in auditioning because you will see actors who come in and our professional and to an excellent job and will knock it out of the park. Plus, you can sometimes be a little bit of a fly on the wall and hear the discussion about that actor after they've left the audition and the director, and the casting director having a little aside, and they start talking a little bit about that actors work, and whether that fits into the vision of the project that they're working on and just by being a listener, by the way, that doesn't mean you're participating in that discussion. You're just there to read and to facilitate somebody else's edition, but just by. I being in that room and seeing multiple auditions over the course of one day. I promise you a couple of things will happen one. Is that you'll feel really great about your own work because you'll see the entire variety of actors when they come into audition to this has happened more than once. But I don't wanna dangle this as a carrot necessarily. But there have been times when you're spending a day or two or three with director. And you're having you know conversations, and you get to know each other pretty well many times that director will want you to come into audition for them not for that particular show. But they might wanna bring you back. And addition you for another project, they might be working on. So it's a great networking opportunity. But here are a couple of quick rules about being a reader one don't hand your picture and resume to the director, please. That's not why you're there. You're there to help an actor audition. So I just want to caution you against thinking. This is going to be your chance. It's not it's the actors who have been asked to audition. It's their chance to come in. You have to make an adjustment and feel like you are behind the table. And you are not there to audition that brings me to point number two. Which is as a reader, you have to be very very careful about not trying to act with the person in the scene that as a reader, you're there to sort of help that actor look as good as possible sort of I think mentally sort of serve up the work. So that that other actor has something else to work off of. And that's the kind of mindset that we want our readers to have. But if you have an opportunity to be a reader, then by all means have added, it's an exciting and wonderful opportunity. You will not regret it. So that's my number one actor hack number two actor hack. This is actually Pat was talking about this that she had somebody that she was talking with a kind of a well known. Actor and the actor says, yeah, I bring in a lucky coin that my grandfather had during World War Two, and he had it in his pocket this actor brings this little coin with him. I don't quite honestly, I don't even know what the coin is. You know, whether it's a a ruble or. I have no idea, but think of it as a talisman or lucky charm. Do you have a lucky charm? Do you have a symbol of something in your background in your past some little thing that you could keep in your pocket or you can put in your backpack? Something that kind of just makes you feel good that gives you a reminder about who you are. And why you're here. That's a really great hack. It's a really great idea. Just to have a symbol to keep grounded and feel good about ourselves having a talisman or lucky charm. I mean, some people have like their little favourite pet rock or maybe it's a coin or maybe it's a rabbit's foot or you know, whatever it can be. But what do you have in your life that you carry around with you just to feel grounded and special about you and your work? So bring that around with you make something special that you can hang onto when you go into an audition, and you will be surprised at how. Much more focused and energized. You are because you have that support some quick additional hacks. I really think it's valuable if you walk around with a backpack, for example, you're going from addition to addition, or however, you care is it a bag or a backpack. Anything like that I suggest the following items in your actor backpack as actor hack. Try saying that five times fast, the backpack actor hack suggestions, number one. I think you should have a pair of comfortable shoes. In addition to the shoes you're wearing whether they're sneakers or whether you're wearing sneakers for the addition than have another kinds of up pair of shoes just something that will change the way you look and feel to something that can be more comfortable just another set of shoes. It's not that heavy, and I think that that would really come in handy you'll be surprised when just slipping on another pair of shoes at to travel from one audition to another or your street shoes versus your dishes, who's just another pair of shoes. I think is really cool idea. Also, make sure you have a notebook with you making note about the audition that you've done literally bright down who was the casting director. Who was the director? What was the room like that? You auditioned in if it was an outside studio space or was it astute? Jio space in the casting directors office, just making those kinds of little notations will be really really helpful. I know actors who take notes on what the color of the back drop is when they do their film and television audition because they wanna wear clothing that is appropriate and is contrasting to the backdrop. So that they stand out more in the shot. I think that's pretty brilliant. I also carry in my old backpack. And I still do this. I carry some gum with me. One of the products of getting nervous. Sometimes is that you get dry mouth. Just having a piece of chewing gum is really a great way to help you with your dry mouth. Plus, it gets a little bit of excess energy out of your system that might be really really helpful to you, especially if you're one of those people who gets nervous Chonkin down on a piece of gum can be really satisfied. So think about that another thing the backpack. I just honestly pull have a pullover. A different top. Whether it's a. T shirt with a hoodie, or whether it's a light shirt or a different kind of shirt, something that will be all right? If you just kind of want to run into the ladies room or the men's room and throw it on just so that you feel comfortable just a quick change of clothes is really good. And while we're on that here's another hack there many actors who have gym memberships in town, and they have their gym membership. So that they can literally go from an audition to the gym to take a shower put on another set of clothes just refresh themselves feel re energized for whatever else is facing them that day, I think that's a really cool idea. And that's a great hack. So if you can afford to have a gym membership. Sometimes they're not that expensive depending upon where you are, of course. But having another place where you can change clothes kind of decompress, get re-energized. I think that's a really great idea. Here's another hat that you might not have thought of. But if you dishing for something and you're giving a call back remember to wear. The same clothes you war. So you wanna make a note in, you know, book about what you're wearing. And then we're that same outfit those same clothes when you go for your call back. You might not think that it's going to do anything for you. But I promise you there's something about what you were wearing that. We remember something about your whole presence that wanted us to see you again for that callback. Whether you're acting fit into the vision, or whether you physically fit exactly what the role was being asked for so wearing the same clothes is just a really great way to a boost your confidence. But be it's a great reminder for those people who auditioned you because you know, what they're going to do. They're gonna go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember I remember that person. I remember that actor so we're the same set of clothes when you go for a callback. Here's another actor hat is make sure that you plan to have something to do. After your audition. I mean, I'm talking about something important to do that could be a lunch with a friend that could be that you have to go to the library. And check out a play that you want to do some research on or you wanna work on your one person show, or whatever it is have something lined up on your schedule that you have to accomplish after the audition because sometimes we get so caught up in having. Let's say it's maybe one audition that day, maybe it's an audition that you really excited about and the potential of you getting hired to act in this particular production is like overwhelming putting something immediately after that will really help you dissipate some of that energy in those excess nerves because you got things to do you got places to go. You know what I mean? But why were on that note? Let me just say here's a really good hack that you might not have thought of. I think it's important that. That after your addition is over and you come out of the space, the all the dishes space, whether it be a studio or whether it be in an office, setting whatever it is. I would like you to go ahead and sit down gather yourself take five minutes in that waiting area before you leave literally sit down you can go through your backpack. You can pack up the script, you can kind of decide if you know, where your next appointments going to be because you've lined something up whatever it is. But take an additional five minutes after the audition because here's why during that five minutes after you've left we're talking about your work. We're talking about you, and it has happened on more than one occasion. I mean, I'm serious like several times during the course of the day where the director decides that maybe they do want to see you again. And maybe there's not enough time to get hold of you or try. Track you down. But if you're still there just five minutes, then there's a chance that if we wanna see you again, we're going to tell you there on the spot, and that's a great benefit for us as casting people's that we have to track you down or call your agent and figure it all out. But it's also really helpful for you to get that information up front right away instant feedback because the best feedback professionally speaking is when you get a callback. So a lot of people kind of book it they're done with her audition that I wanna see the people in the waiting room anymore. They get psyched out, and they decide to leave right away. And they just book they're gone, free minutes later the door opens and did so and so just leave. Oh, Dr I wanted to talk to them. So that's a great hack. I think make sure you stay an extra few minutes. Maybe five minutes after the audition. Okay. So here's another hack that lot of people don't do. But you should absolutely do make sure you rule the director make sure you have some information and some background information on the director because you will definitely find something relatable. And if there is an opportunity to say Hello and you walk into the audition. And there is something in his or her background that you can relate to that would be the time to make mention of it. I know it sounds like it's manipulative. It's not. But if you're genuinely have some information about what? This director did that can really be a great way to break the is and that initial discomfort when you walk into the room, and they just want you to start the audition. You know, maybe you can just say something nice about a production that they did that you also did it another time or another place, or maybe there's a connection to somebody that you know, that they worked with that kind of thing that can really help. Okay. Too quick. What's because I'm already overtime just a little bit. But you know, those covers that you put on the toilet seats. When you go to a public restroom. You know that comes in like an dispenser that paper material that is the greatest blotter for your face and forehead, if you get shiny from sweat, not kidding you. So that toilet paper cover just take a piece of that. Have that have that in your backpack? And Pat your nose in your forehead, if you get shiny. I'm not kidding you. It's a great hack. Finally at the beginning of the show today. I talked about the university of Washington. One of the students there gave us a great hack. And that literally is panty liners are great for armpits in your shirt. If you get stains and stains coming through on your shirt, and you'd some discoloration because you sweat a lot. Liners. I'm not kidding. I think that that's a fantastic idea it absorbs the moisture, and it doesn't make you feel self conscious. Unless you're nervous about having panty liners. Are bits. Oh my God. I can't putting all that. Anyway, this is casting actors cast, please join us next week. And we'll try to do more of some cool stuff to help you and your acting. Thank you very much. Have a great day. Bye. You've been listening to casting actors cast with host Jeffrey Joyce Bach. Find out more at casting actors cast dot com, and let us know if you would like us to cover topics you're interesting, thanks for listening to disarm.

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Could public opinion make Cummings's position untenable?

Coffee House Shots

13:15 min | 10 months ago

Could public opinion make Cummings's position untenable?

"The Spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and outs reviews of unrivalled thirty try a month imprint and online for free and for a limited time. Only get a free wireless phone charger. Go to. Www DOT spectator dot co dot UK Ford Slash Charter to start today. Hello and welcome to you. Coffeehouse shots spectators daily politics. Podcast I'm John Connolly and I'm joined today by James Saif and Katie balls today. The Rowley over Dominic Cummings is to Durham during lockdown rumbled on with a growing number of Tory. Mp's either publicly criticizing the number ten advisor or even calling for him to resign. We also sold the first government resignation of issues day with Douglas. Ross the Under Secretary of State for Scotland handing in his resignation to Downing Street cases. Am I think we've got around thirty five or so so far now? They're calling for cummings to resign all criticizing him over his trip to get a sense of this revolt. This sort of gaining momentum. I think to a degree. I think that yesterday it did seem as they things are calming down slightly and then it picked up again today and I think potato. Douglas Cross becoming the first Mississippi. Geniune MINISTER TO RESIGN. Gave it legs again and you saw some new. Mp's coming out the woodwork ulcer. I think just previously said. They wanted him to go reasserting that they wanted. Dominic Cummings to go and I think that is still significant because I think the fact that Dominic Cummings gave the press conference yesterday from the Rose Garden committing. You've had ministers out on the airwaves again this morning. Defending Dominic Cummings. It shows that hasn't had the effect of changing those people's minds the fact that they're still explaining why they think it needs to be done. Doesn't mean that. Dominic Cummings is about to go. I spoke to one Pierre. He's inks of need to about eighty. Mp's maybe seventy three on the modest side potentially in order for this to actually have the desired effect with number ten and. I think that we're not there yet. Again it feels that slowed slightly. But I do think with these type of rebellion. It just takes a couple of events some something that you don't expect to happen and suddenly it can pick up momentum again. I think what is clear? Is that this is not a happy. Conservative Party and cooling round. Mp's ministers today. There are plenty of people answering publicly they want dominate cummings to go but are uncomfortable with the current situation. I think that the fact that the prime minister has been so clear that he wants dominic. Cummings to stay put to stay in role means at the moment not getting much pay payroll coming out and saying anything publicly so I think we're missing that triggerman. Fano which would bring the thing to a had. Do you think James that number enemy me quite sort of disappointed with us in the Ziemba hope that dominate Cummings is statements and press conference last night would sort of would mollify. Mp's thought the details of the story make it more relatable dominant cummings his actions more explicable would have combed in these teachings links but Tori. Mp's I'm public opinion so far. It doesn't look like vodkas happened. I think another worry number ten years on Sunday. The prime minister can free his food. Let's go forward behind on Cummings now. Normally when that happens you would expect that to to basically make him realize that this was not an issue worth pressing because the promise. That wasn't for tiny when it? What have you seen? Is that you know. One hundred additional fact of of slugging the flow of Tory. Mp's comes to go was still up in the hallway. I is now and I think Nazis uproot not justified coming says already in West for twenty years and say has a decent number of enemies but also. Mp's is still full of irate messages fromm constituents complaining about toxic sense that there was no-one Roofer one step people one rule for another set of people. So I mean this. This crisis hasn't ended for number ten yet. I think the number ten. They're all still very very determined to keep coming and coming stuffing there's a feeling that whatever damage the were damaged and this is going to do is being done and they would compound image by losing the when it comes which vaping the government for less effective than it has been Katie. We also saw new polling today. Which suggested that? The public not particularly happy. Either I think around seventy one percent of them believe that Dominic Cummings broke the lockdown rules. Do you get the sense that maybe number ten hoping this will change still did follow some quite critical coverage this on the papers this morning and last night or do you think now. They're going to accept the public. Thinks this and maybe just hope to whether the storm I think the question is. How quickly can you ten around and the public opinion and Tori? Mp's complaining links. There are the usual suspects. He didn't let Dominic Cummings who I think. Probably the come. At least some of them were when it came to this story breaking. But the reason I think this is getting some momentum is because if you speak to any. Mp They're just saying that they're staunched by the number of emails from constituents complaining about. The situation looks those messages. Say things like. I've never contacted my MP before and that that gets them speak because they if one of these sites encourage you get in touch and it's mainly left-wing activists they can dismiss it but they're worried it does really have cut free so if you've got public opinion on site I think immediately of these Tory. Mp's wouldn't be pressing in the way they are so it's feeding part of their rebellion. But also I think it goes to the fact that we've seen plenty of times that has not particularly bothered by Tori. Mp's they spending time trying to win. The I think we've had one conference call during lockdown with Boris Johnson and his. Mp's and I think when they a majority of eighty sense they didn't do much TLC tabs keeping 'em piece on site. I think as time has gone on you saying that a majority of Eighty S. She does mean that you have to do a bit of that but that said this is the same government be an indifferent parliament. The Ultra Nina Rodrigo whip from quite a few over brexit vote and had had no majority so that was a different circumstance. But I actually think the public opinion is the more damning thing Fassi because it makes. Mp's mosquito ish but also this is a government which is really focused on public opinion. They are government by Focus Group. They might not see the virtues of parliament as perhaps some previous governments. Do you think the ministers that crucial decision should be made in dining street where they D- religiously Poland Focus Group. So I think that if this is consistent if there is a big drop in support for the Conservative Party. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. That means they will necessarily change a minute. Dominic Cummings didn't changes the political pitcher more than having about thirty five on twitter in terms of actual government policy and instead of tackling the coronavirus. James do you get the sense that this crisis may be affecting things already? I mean think Hancock was asked about fine. So breaking lockdown for For Childcare today at the press conference the RV not question wouldn't illustration of trouble for the government now which is certainly the government. Social Media Messaging into a lesser guidance was going very crude very. Don't stare home. And implication an absolutely no exceptions to the actual can regulations created a bit more slack than that. But I think the chance to now is that defense in the situation is that this was a reasonable interpretation. Rules and people will not won't give their conduct was recently up Jason Rules. Maybe not always. It's not like will having house parties or whatever but people who traveled to be closer to family members he could outmatch withdrawal now. Have we have a clear case that they are now being told that that was a reasonable interpretation? The rules as is a challenge. I think that is in a way. They'll government today with the number the ministerial resignation. That Tori appeases bushels. Us Open the liaison committee in Parliament. Tomorrow he's bound to be all about this business. I be surprised if I if those questions didn't create an Islamic keeps the story guy for a day and then someone's womb to the government is. It's another Dave in the stories on the front pages and I mean the government view is that they will probably it will receive being on the front pages by the end of the Week. But if that doesn't happen is tricky for and we saw the subjects as well dominating the press conference with this evening. How did you think you've managed Katie? I mean become a regular sight seeing cabinet mrs basically bending over backwards to defend dominic coming in Thomas that the Guidance Ready Seen Matt handcocks tweets over the weekend a decent. It complicates things for the Health Secretary. I think James Touches on having gone from really quite clear messaging Gemini speaking and being quite quick to jump on things such new Neil Ferguson. The Scientific Advisor am breached lockdown. And now she does take this more nuance line and I didn't. You can argue that. Neil faxed in and dominic cummings cases at different in the sense that one was Steve. Chonkin going somewhere and staying the of perhaps more leisure he wants to try it that way but at the same time it just means again it gets complicated and I think again if we get to a situation where every single press conference is now just questions on a number ten advisor. That's a difficult place to be and I'm sure some people say oh well the media's fault they should ask different questions but whichever Saudi blaming it is clearly not a good situation for the government if they cannot talk about the things they want to be talking. I even things that should be of big importance in terms of locked anything because they have this round going so I think it be interesting to see. Can they move away from it? Near the end of the week. We already have had various things. Trailed in terms of lockdown easing will be able to for example. It get a front page this week. Which isn't Steve Dominic? Cummings I think if you look at this mean. The pace of lockdown easing in before this instrument is likely to pick up the simple fact that universities European countries east up. They haven't seen a second spike in infections and given how little is known about this disease. The example of what happened in these other countries was always going to be key but now Boris Johnson on Sunday. Emphasize replying for schools opened on June first dance. He accepted that not all schools be able to do. So yes there's amounts of the non essential retail. I think it's quite clear what the direction of travel is now. I'm this lockdown is going to be eased off relatively fast and I think that the question is. How does that go in terms of public opinion to some extent you might think? Oh people like that. But the polling suggests that the public very nervy about the lockdown being east and the government for for a whole host of reasons medical reasons related. What's happening in Europe political reasons race? It's a bit current situation. Economic reasons related to what is going on with the economy right now and how long you can keep it in this kind of in the state that it is currently suspension that is currently in want to ease things with relative speed. The question is how comfortable all the public without own. The poem you scenes just that the public. Aw much more nothing. The one might think about easing these restrictions on liberties. Thank you James. Thank you Katie. And thank you for Listening The Spectator magazine. Combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivalled authority try a month imprint an online for free and for a limited time? Only get a free wireless phone charger go to. 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Episode 40  Preparing Your Finances for a Great 2020

Wealth Done Differently - Retirement

24:35 min | 1 year ago

Episode 40 Preparing Your Finances for a Great 2020

"Welcome to the wealth done differently. Retirement podcast Danielle Howard. A certified financial planner manner shares insight into the financial tools techniques and temperaments needed to make the most of your retirement dollars and relationships. Danielle Daniel Bridges the gap between Wall Street and Main Street bringing complex financial topics. Down to Earth Danielle will educate and inspire you you as you define and refine your version of prosperity. Hello and welcome to wells done differently retirement Daniel Howard a certified financial planner. And and I wanNA tell you right now before I even say hello to Danielle use. The audience need to know someone. Danielle is traveling right now and she is so committed to you that she has taken her equipment on the road. And so some of these this podcast and the the the next podcast. You're going to hear. She's doing it while she's traveling because I mean she does. She's the hardest worker. I know so there's going to be some little glitches here and there I apologize upfront. There's nothing I can do about them. And Daniel just wants to get these this information into your hands because it's crucial it's end of year and that's what we're going to be covering today so good afternoon. Daniel how are you can hang. Well thank you eric. Alright all right. Are you excited for the end of the year for this. podcast author cited for both absolutely. We're getting close to the end of the year. No that's kind of the theme today. So what are we talking about to get started. Well I have been working with clients This fourth quarter and there's always lots of stuff going on on people's lives and talking about financial stuff may not be top of mind the things I will talk to clients about at first of all. We'll start with that question. And what are the three top of mind items that may have financial implications for you in twenty twenty now. People are barely ready to be done with two twenty nineteen let let alone looking at twenty twenty. I think it's important to look ahead a little bit. And maybe make some tactical financial moves towards the end of the year. Here that will benefit you both now and into next year. First of all I want to say thank you to everyone for joining us and I truly hope that you will glean awesome insight about this new fall season of your life. These PODCASTS ARE GONNA dig into a variety of things from technical pieces and into the the quality of life issues that you're going to be facing in retirement. I just WanNa make sure that you don't take any of this personally and that you will talk to your financial profit specials and make sure that your life situation is out on the table so that folks can really understand who you are. And what's the best opportunity to walk along beside you with that in mind. Why don't we dive into some ideas? What before you do that? I'm going to say one thing that Danielle will not say so. Audience members those of you. That are listening when she says. Don't take this personally and go consult a financial professional if you have a great one. Go Talk to them. If you've got one that you're just not sure about get a second opinion and I would say of course and then you don't have one at all definitely reach out to Daniel. She'll give you some contact information at the end of this podcast but for now let's get started and then you guys can make up your own minds on who you WANNA call at the end of this sorry. I know you won't do it for yourself so I'm going to do it because you're amazing. So so all right. Where do we start? Thank you eric. First of all if you are still working even if your spouse is not working you can do a your own or a spousal. IRA for this year. If you haven't fully gotten that funded a lot of times people will forget. They'll do their own. But if they have a non non working spouse they kind of forget about that one point I fear under fifty the limited six thousand dollars but if you are over fifty you you can get an additional thousand in understanding that you have up until April fifteenth of next year to do it. We always know that time in in the market is better than timing the market so get that money and sooner than later that's important and they can do that in one lump sum correct you can do it. One lump sum. You could do it. Dollar cost averaging but again if you're looking at the end of Year of you haven't done it yet. You're going to have to put a big pretty good chunk in at one in time whether it's your own personal airy or if you have an employer sponsored plan you know it might work a little differently with an employer sponsored plan and that has to do with your a payroll what you would actually end up within your pocket versus what you might have them hold out for contribution to 401k for three. Be Four fifty seven something on that line of things again. You may have maxed out on this and I understand that maxing out at nineteen thousand dollars is is a pretty good chunk for anybody to put away but there are folks that are able to do that. And if you're over fifty you can do an additional six six thousand of catch up take a look at what your end of year Income is is still going to be. You may still have a paycheck or two to that if you could dump all of that into your 401k. And I get that deduction for this year that could really be of benefit to you both now on your tax return and to set something aside for your future and I don't want anybody confused when I said I could do it. All one lump sum. You don't have to though so if you if your maximum excellent six thousand you haven't done any you don't actually have to do six thousand. You could do three or two or explain just to get started. Yeah in and I always. I always encourage people to look at trying to do that. Dollar cost averaging so maybe starting in twenty twenty you started out in in January and you you break it up over the twelve months instead of trying to get something in just the last last part of the year if you know a simple plan that's a annoy somebody. Somebody that is got fewer than fifty employees is and you can personally contributed up to thirteen thousand or twenty five percent of your income. We love that age fifty we get there are benefits of being over fifty and you can get a lot of extra change into these retirement plans with a simple plan. You can get an additional three thousand dollars also with your health savings accounts you can. An individual can put thirty five hundred in and families can can get up to seven thousand. If you're over the magic age of fifty five you can get in an additional one thousand for both the individual on the family. Contributions agents so that health savings account is sometimes something that that people forget about. That's if you can Participate in a high deductible health program Graham and have the opportunity to either open or contribute to those Health savings accounts. They are a nice way to put money. Aside for down the road may might be next year down the road or further down the road but you do get those tax deductions in the year. That you make the contribution again another one that people can miss. Is that required minimum distribution if you hit that magic age of seventy and a half half and over you WanNa make sure you get that out of your IRA or you get penalized fifty percent of what you should have taken. That's painful Out It's painful. And then you get taxed on that as just as a really unwieldy ball that is pretty ugly you're required minimum distribution is amount it's going to be based on the account value in your IRA at the end of the year December. Thirty first of last year and and it's considered ordinary income on your tax return. So you you you have to start taking it and a a way to get around this us is if you want to keep it off your tax return you could just give it away to a qualified charitable organization. These are SS amazing way to give it directly to if you're now taking standard deductions and we'll drill down on that a little bit later but you can keep that IRA distribution in half of your first page of your your tax return if you give it away to charitable organization of your choice. No and that's really being organized on how. Oh you're giving your money and I know there's a lot of strategies and I'm sure he'll touch on a little bit later or else I'm tree could also dedicate an entire podcast too but that there's so many different ways to do that and make it worth your while. Make it worth charities while I mean. They're going to be thrilled to give to the end of the year. Exactly which is the perfect segue. Thank you for Chunky returnable donations. Here we go. You know you may have heard this before but I know many times the the more we hear it the more it may sink Gann you know. This was the first year that we really experienced the opportunity to discern whether a standard deduction was better or an itemized. Taking that itemized deduction on your return in two thousand eighteen the standard deductions went up. Twelve thousand awesome per individual. And if you're over the age of sixty five you got an extra thirteen hundred Boca people. This means they're now taking the standard deduction instead of itemized. But you really WanNa look at you. Know take a look at your two thousand eighteen return and determine you know there may be some MM techniques and this is one of them we look at Chungking and dumping when I called Chunky Chonkin Lump Dump Chunk and dump your IRA. I'm I'm sorry. Your charitable contributions so for example. If there's a couple over the age of sixty five and they've got eight thousand in in state and local property taxes let's say they've got a couple grand and deductible medical expenses and six thousand in mortgage interest and they've given away eight thousand and charitable contributions so far of their itemized deductions would be about twenty four thousand thousand dollars If this were your end today they'd be better off taking the standard deduction because there are over the age of sixty five and standard deduction is going GonNa be twenty six thousand six hundred however because they're closed they could look at contributing more this year her into a donor advised fund or to an organization of their choice. And kind of earmark. It this is our giving for twenty twenty. But we're GONNA GONNA do a bigger amount in twenty nineteen to get that to take advantage of our itemized deduction this year and then next next year. Use The standard deduction so it's really worth talking to your financial adviser your your accountant and looking at what your Giving strategy is to determine if this is going to be a benefit for your for you. I think that the example that I've heard before and I've actually please spoken with a few people is if you're giving to charity or organisation on a monthly basis than looking to add all that up and church is a wonderful Example of that most people will tie give offering on a monthly basis. If at the end of the year. You can project what you WANNA give for that next year and you're able to give it in one lump sum at at the end of two thousand nineteen four twenty twenty. You're not the church is getting the money earlier which is good your getting a better deduction for twenty nineteen and and then twenty twenty. You don't have to worry about that monthly tie than offering that you would normally do you've already given it and you can feel free to give above and beyond if you want to or to other organizations. I mean there's all sorts of ways to do it. It's not I want to make it clear that you're not saying give an extra ten thousand dollars above what you would normally. It's just rearranging the timeline. time-line right and you can also use. That's the beauty of donor advised. Funds Donor advised fund is a five. Oh One C.. Three in in and of itself so you could technically give ten thousand dollars to a donor advised fund and then you as the donor designated ignite the beneficiaries that would get a monthly contribution in twenty twenty. You're just getting the tax deduction in twenty nineteen but you can enact SWALEC still give it away on a monthly basis in twenty twenty. That's that's perfect. That's beautiful yeah. They're beautiful tools. I Love Them. Okay all right now so it's a good time to revisit that mortgage interest rates have been falling again this fall and if if you have been putting it off the idea of refinancing now is is a good time to take a look at it. I think there's a lot of things to consider with this. especially if you're moving into that fall season of life one is how close are you to having it paid off. Is it really. You know reasonable to go in and refinance. So how Long Long D. N. -ticipant being in your home. What type of mortgage do you have right now? What type of closing costs would you be incurring? There's a lot of moving parts with this. This is special as you're moving into the fall season of life however I do see a lot of people that are are needing to look at their homes as a tool world. They're gonNA need to access the equity in one way shape or form at some point in their retirement season absolutely and from my understanding standing. If you depending on how many years you have left if you're able to refinance maybe you have ten or fifteen years left and you have the extra income per month if you refinance and say I. I wanted to be a five year loan. If there is such thing which I would assume there would be. That is so much more towards your principle than that would give you more of a deduction to meet that minimum requirement. Correct right you definitely want to look at you. Crunch the numbers than plan out you may be able to just pay more towards your current mortgage and have it paid off in five years and still accomplish the same thing without getting hit with with closing costs so you need to weigh a variety city of of elements in this to determine you know if this is a a wise decision or not with any of these especially some of these. We're going to be getting into into next with the harvesting gains and losses. You really want to discern these are in the best interest of your your financial life here economic live all of the pieces that you're looking at right now looking at our current economic season and what your cash flow needs are both now in down the road in a gay and all of these moving parts. I making a whole lot of suggestions to please talk to your professional advisors to make sure which of these fits is good for you absolutely let. Let's dive into a a little bit more of a complicated one. This is where we've really been working with clients this last quarter we've had a you know a bountiful summer season and and it's time to look at harvesting gains and losses. We do this year round but but now is the time to really look at your investments that are exposed was taxation which means sitting outside of your retirement accounts you can strategic rebalance your portfolio in a way to minimize taxation acceleration if you have tate paper losses on certain stocks or mutual funds. You can deduct you should be able to deduct three thousand dollars hours in losses from your ordinary income and carry forward on any unused amounts for future years. This is incredibly beneficial. Yeah that'd be that'd be great. Nobody likes losses. But if you have some you might as well get some fourth. Yeah you'll be paying less taxes I You know so. It's a way to what we call harvest a loss. It also WANNA look at looking at you if you have gains you. You may have gains in the same type of investments and depending on what your cash flow needs are. You may want to sell some of them before the end of the year. If you can keep your taxable income which would include the gains from any sales and stay in the ten or twelve percent income tax bracket you would not be taxed on any of these long term gains. This is very beneficial especially when we're coming to the end of the summer season we don't know when we're we're going to have an economic pullback but we know that is a normal economic cycle what will happen if you are taking you know income mm for cash flow purposes. This is a good way to do it. It's an opportune time to harvest gains harvest losses. Build up cash. Sometimes even if view do get bounced into fifteen percent gain on capital gains. You have a gain. Take that gain while you have it especially if you need the income if you are still in your working years and have gains in your brokerage account you may even want to consider harvesting some of the those gains and Dan repositioning them into your tax sheltered account earlier when I was talking about you know putting money into your IRA or even into to a Roth IRA To take money out of your taxable accounts reposition it into your tax deferred accounts is a strategic move that in many people consider got it. Yeah that'd be again. There's so many different things to consider again. We're going to beat this into the ground but please talk to a professional about this. I E s another tool or a technique that I use is gifting of investment gains. If you have children or grandchildren in her in lower tax brackets it make sense to give them stockholdings instead of them getting cash for the holiday season. I always like like to use this as a learning opportunity to talk about what is investing. What does it mean to invent this for your future goals and Dan? You know to open up these discussions can really you know. Bring families together in in good ways when you gift appreciated stock there. The cost basis gets gifted to the recipient as well but if you have a child or grandchild who is in college and had they had earned income this year they would be able to cash out of that stock to create a liquidity event and probably not pay capital obtained sonnet. That's great I think now is also a opportune time to reduce the financial clutter in our life. You know to look back doc in the year and and go well. There's a gym membership subscription that I used for the first couple of months of the year but now I haven't used maybe I need to get that cancelled old or are there apps on your phone. Hang a buck a month for Yup. Absolutely that's going to bring that up if you didn't those apps there handy handy and all of a sudden you you have four or five subscriptions for a buck or two each month. It's like wait a second. Does it really does it adds APP. It's a great great time to look at consolidating accounts you know if you have old employer sponsored plans that could be rolled into your own personal IRA or are your idea of diversification was having accounts at six different custodians and now you go. Wow that really isn't diversification. That's just just complications. So let's take what it would mean to simplify your life a little bit. Take a look at other financial tools that you have that are either no longer serving serving you or need to be in a recalibrated to fit into your current life season accents as we wind this down down. I think it's really important again to prioritize. Planning to look at you know. Twenty twenty as an opportunity to build on your wins for 2019 to be proactive to to look at the opportunities or even the challenges that may lie in wait and to take a look at the financial implications of Lia. Now what's what may happen in twenty twenty and make the changes that are necessary. What do you WANNA replicate? What do you want to leave behind Khuda? You have to talk to about this stuff. Who is GONNA be your advocate? Your expedition later. Your Guy You're you're cheerleader. And your educator like you mentioned at the beginning I appreciate the opportunity to help folks optimize their financial possibilities abilities as you unfold your life potential absolutely Daniel. This is great great information. I will be talking at the end of the podcast here in a minute to to encourage people to share these podcasts. As exactly why because this type of information needs to get into every family members hand and I just think it's so important Do you have any closing advice for those. That are listening to it and saying you know what I she makes really good points. I just feel a little bit overwhelmed by all these different different ideas and thoughts. What's your best advice to them? When step at a time you know pick one thing? Don't feel overwhelmed I again I did. I tossed done a lot of ideas but you can take a look and pick out one. Get yourself educated. All your adviser find an advisor figure out what is going to head you in that direction. That's going to end twenty nine thousand nine hundred a good note for yourself. Fantastic appreciate the time. Can you appreciate the Opportunity Eric if anybody wants to work with US face to face or learn about our journey of financial health retirement retirement reach out to us at. WWW wealth by design four number. Four you dot com. If you want to listen listen to some blogs or Listened to some podcast. Read some blogs a look at our other educational opportunities and and group workshops you can check out Daniel Howard number four letter U Dot Com. Perfect are thank you again. And thank you all for listening to the wealth done differently retirement podcast Daniel Howard. If you've not subscribe to the podcast yet please cook the subscribe now. Button below this went. Daniel comes out with a new podcast. It'll show up directly partly on. You're listening device again. This makes it much easier to share these podcasts. With your friends and family again. Thanks for listening today for everyone. Wealth done differently. Retirement this Eric Johnson. 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Hops To Home December 2020

Aussie Beer Explorers

47:10 min | 2 months ago

Hops To Home December 2020

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Maturity In Crypto With Mark Vidano

The Trader Cobb Crypto Podcast

23:00 min | 1 year ago

Maturity In Crypto With Mark Vidano

"The show is currently sponsored what traffic dot com. Visit tried to Kobe dot com forward slash free tools for your free education content. Now on this section of the website, you will receive access to view a bit about the three trading strategies that I use daily. And if you're sick and tired of your family and friends wanting to know about bitcoin cryptocurrency. Well, it's a free course in there for them as well. Todd will begin. His course to cryptocurrency, it's absolutely free until you friends and family and visit tried to call dot com now. Betrayed. A call. Crypto show talking business influx, Jane. Hello. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the traffic of cryptic podcast. It's an absolutely fantastic. They why doesn't speaking to another try to have got mock the Donna. He's ahead of technical analysis at all coin buzz, and I'm really interested in having this conversation because olym- oximately fairly news, the market, we're gonna touch on some of his points of view, also what he's learnt through the spice and what they're doing over there at all coin buzz. Thank you so much for Utahns mock apprec- adamant. Thank you. Craig, I appreciate being here. Look, let's get straight into a one Oskoui. First of all, when you go into crypto, and what happened to get you in. What did you just get? Get a very core. Why you'll hear why we talking today might out. Thank you for asking while the, the reason that I got in crypto was really because life smack me in the head if you times. I'm probably one of the older folks in the crypto space. That's new if you were I'm fifty seven years old, not really been a traitor before. And I look back and I go, you know, at some point, you gotta listen right to if you're young, you don't get it. But I remember when I was eighteen I was working at McDonald's as an example. Yep. And the I was I was a hard worker, and they had said, hey, if you wanna be a manager shift manager, and you work here for ten years. You'll you know, McDonald's will will sponsor you for a franchise and like work here for ten years, kidding me. No. This is not. No. I now I look back and I go, what were you thinking franchise then? Yeah. So that's back in night, early eighties, and then in the mid eighties or late eighties when the whole dot com thing happened. I went through that. Right and experienced that whole thing. And I didn't really jump on the bandwagon then either. And so, you know a couple smacks in the head there, and then crypto came along. And I'm like you're gonna get smacked in the head again, are you gonna listen? Finally, to do something about it, get on the ground floor or something. So that's really how I got into crypto. Well, it's, it's really interesting because I've been having sinus for a little wall now that I believe the next wife for next market to push on to new highs, eventually is going to come from that age group between forty and sixty five and, and it's wonderful, he side that because sort of helps to solidify some of my theories in the theory is exactly what you said. I think that a lot of the people that worry the through going through the dot com lay the watched it and did nothing. It went all watched aboard sold at made some money, the third options. I watched aboard it didn't sell it. Well, now they watched that thousand seventeen I went oh, look, what's just before a die wanna Finally, I don't want to buy the top. So they watched it. And watching wash sort of went amid the Rockoff I all my life, then make them what they did is that I want to buy the bottom the not wanna buy the top. They seeing come back into the media. Now it's alive. It's well it's kicking. It's a massive deals around lots of big companies. I think that, that I- bracket now that had a little bit more money in their pocket. Because the more driven down their career, pas, the ones that are sort of trying. I quiz at Saad of this pension funds, as well as inside of the now in the position where the going, right. Now's probably the time for me to start to consider this by such really interesting to hear that use sort of come in, and obviously, you are earlier than the next wife. But Tom, yeah, I think it's definitely going to see that next wave of capital coming from more sophisticated investors. I am now with all coined buzz. Of course you have. A very large fallen in done very, very, well, deny much about the age group of the people coming in, and who you're titling fourth month. I can't speak to the age group. I'm on the other side, all the all the folks that handle the background stuff. You know, this is Dan Olympics on the YouTube channel in the other vehicles would understand that. So I'm not in tune with that. Unfortunately, but I do know that a lot of the people that come into al-qombuz are very new to the space or were new when they first came in al-qombuz really got its lift last year. Armin star in two thousand seventeen and, and so there's, you know, there's still those folks that were relatively new to the space Guidon that are now bet have been with us for awhile and new people that are new space, coming, still and then some intermediate, folks, I don't we kind of feel like the people that are more experienced that had been in this, since the since kind of before two thousand seventeen aren't really our audience. It's really for the folks that are, that are relatively new the space. Well, that's, that's quite interesting. Have you been sick? I mean, obviously with the I guess, resurgence of of bitcoin. Not just impressed. But also in media attention has been a lot more talk about it recently Oviously since it's been going up quite well through civil since about may really. I may have you seen the numbers of your subscribers. Your rate is your viewership, whatever you wanna call it increase Judah the additional press. Absolutely absolutely. And I one of the things I do get copying on when people went to subscribe to some of our, our different vehicles, and that has gone up dramatically over the last couple of months. So there's newspeople new people come into all coined buzz, which I have to assume new people coming into the space. Yes at it's very, very exciting to see occur. So now you'll doing some technical analysis stuff full, the guys and girls. They're all coin both. So I'm you know what did you say? Technical when we talk about technical training stuff joined us, tell us a little bit about what, what you'll role is adult coined bus, sure. So the. I approach it from front from two aspects. Right. In most of the time, I'm doing TM on bitcoin, because that's what people are focused on. I'll do some all coins every once in a while when I have time, and we'll look at some of the other main players like, you know, like coin Therion and X are some of those. But my, my thing is that I go in to talk about kind of short-term, medium-term, sometimes longer term. If you said, long-term is a month or two out and just show how the technicals are looking on the charts. And at the same time when I'm trying to do is instill some knowledge to folks. I'm not gonna go in depth on how an indicator works or you know, some of the other finer points, but I do want to give very I know if somebody's just to look at it, and go, oh well, Mark saying that we're going to go down and we're going to potentially go down to here or go up and go up to here. I want to understand, and both an antipathy. I don't do one side. I'll I'll go. Here's where I think the up tired is here's what I think Dern down. Target is right. So it from there, I may give a might pull an indicator up on the charts. And say, here's what this indicator kinda tells us what it's supposed to tell us or what it does so that somebody can walk away and go. Wow, that's really interesting. How that all comes together. It's not my I tell a lot of people in there. It's not a prediction. It's not. It's not meant to be a crystal ball. What you didn't, gene. Right. I if I would have if I did, I would have gotten into McDonalds back. I would have stayed with them. So no, I don't. But let some fortune that's unfortunate. You talked about the up and down saw now I've been an advocate for shorting this market for very, very long time. And I know that there's a lot of people that did that look this happens in traditional markets as well. I was trying three what sort of made my career will kick started my career from a financial standpoint. Well, you know, basically trading full-time was back in two thousand and nights. When we saw the, the beginning of the demise of many of the financial instruments that we still some slowdowns today will find joy and suggestions on the instruments audit vary. Very well threat that period. That was also a period for which, you know, you didn't sorta side that you were trying. You're at a barbecue or a gathering or whatever, and people are what did you do in your work within the? And it was because it was so much height being am blind. The media's thing is to try the big hedge funds saying it's the shortage like hanging down minute. It's we are a participant. We'd like interestingly service, beautiful furred, and that's what gets it the reviews, but there's also a pool boss of back there, washing the dishes, right? There is a many elements that third being created in that restaurant being that restaurant. Pot of the markets being a market is the ability to have the riveted products leaking might money or the go long will show with a mock goes down or up now. What was it the when was it, you discovered these sorts of abilities to be able to actually short is crypto market. You know, you know, when it happened was the last kind of I, I'll say, I in my mind, this was the last hope hope you was last year, when we were trying to break that eight thousand eighty five hundred dollar range, which we've been floating in recently. Right. If and, and then I just started hearing people well, actually, I was hearing people talk about leverage. I'm like, what the heck is leverage? I don't get it. I don't you know, and people are talking about shorting on leverage. I'm like, what do you mean shorting on leverage? Where can I do that? And so I just started looking into it more because, you know, after getting hit a couple of times, and looking at it and just saying okay, so we're going to go down again. So now can I play that side? And, and I learned how to do that. And that's basically went was mid last year. Welcome to the jungle. It is a wonderful, wonderful place to be. It's a, you know, if you could see many fables still looking at this market. Disjointed. Labata. Sell. Hi Bala Sela. I looked. That's fawn that's your traditional invest, a sort of approach to a market bay with like mobile. I do that to my portfolio. That's my foot for investing of Gutu folios in the matter, as you know, we need to hedge. I if you're going to follow you need to be out to ju- money now I often by throughout two thousand nighttime. There was only one ton move to Ted and actually ended up costing me a little bit of money, but that's okay because you've got to manage a risk Nefer me way were in a whole community of people that tried with me. And, you know, we've got cool as an educational that sort of stuff that helped PayPal too low him. What looking at because autumn, one necessarily paper, we speak spike about this pressure on it won't people think that they've got to follow everything do not at all. I want to empower themselves with a startup these all use making their on us, and not need a autumn. Wes, the, you know, needing may all the time to make across because what happens if I get hit by bus? They guys their income, it's all over. So it's really, really interesting that, you know, with more people understanding that I can shoot the have the ability to thousand nineteen to might money on the white down and the audience sell my bitcoin until one stage in two major Moseley. So lost your managed to find a really great hedges with very taunt stop losses to Mike mole bitcoin than was sort of the loss of dollars. If that if you will on the portfolio sought, so even if you're not in a quote, unquote, trade at their every single day learning to try and use those leverage, and Modum products is an absolute heavensent. If you want to be a rule player in this game and a manageable folio properly. So some is really good to hear that your your in that spice teaching helping people as well. 'cause it's a, it's a frontier, that I think a lot of people putting the to hod books doesn't need to be too hot at all. It's just education is required. Run rat. Yeah. And, and I think where people think it's hard is because they come out from the standpoint. Of a will if your trade in your day trading, but I'm not day trading. I'm swing trading. Yep. I've got lots of time to make a decision in in that swing. Right. I don't need to be at the very top, I don't need to be at the very bottom. Just give me a good chunk in the middle. And I'm thinking Milankovitch. Good. I'm glad I'm glad I'm speaking. And you don't need the boat on these hero move. I don't wear goddamn kype type the junk in the middle try the trend that I worked for the angle of I get. It's, it's not that difficult. When you actually know it, you looking full, so yes. Sorry, I interrupted you. The hall Chonkin though, is what I live my lawf-, boss. So we with cut from the same cloth sailorman, but I do you know and. Again, I try come at a because I'm still I still in my mind, even though I have more background than some people. Get big in at the very top last year. It's I'm still new. And, and there are a lot of new people to get in that they hear people talk about that all time got all the bottom. Okay. Well, we're is that? We're is that top on. I can tell you when it's going to go to the downside greater than to the upside and embrace versa. And that gives me that dunk in the middle. I'm happy with that me. So token of where we are in the markets, whether it's going up for them waste book a little bit about that. Yeah. Did you hear that alarm that came through? Sorry. No, no. I did not think about it spoken Tonto a broken up. So we, we talked early before actually hit the record button about some with the markets guy. Now of might it very clear across. Oh, my try to call social on Twitter on Facebook everywhere that tough loss. Waco, so that I believe we going to save between sixty six hundred and six thousand is a pullback Assaid required. It's really really important. It's by snow just thinking because I think in the markets at tried what I say, not what I think can I try my strategies but some, you know, we, we've had a, you know extension from about February. If no real magic pullback in today's the candles closed, and I'm looking right now to wake John. The weekly actually closed down. Twelve point six six percent on the bid Phoenix shot now. That's a good start. We do need to pull back further, and I probably need to readjust my, my talk. It's a little bit. Because the moving average is have now moved up a little bit. But what are your thoughts around where we are at the moment in the market? We moving. Hi straightaway. Or we're gonna come back and get further. No, I'm I'm with you. I think we're going, I don't think this corrections done. I've, I think we're going to have to your point. I've I'm looking at about the same the same targets. And what, what I what I've been trying to tell people when, when my folks are folks, when we're I'm looking at the TA is, that's not a bad thing. If you, you know, I am not to get too, too deep into it. But if you look at a trend line from about two thousand fifteen issue we're are parabolic moves really exploded was when we got above the two three two that's back in two thousand fifteen that was back in two thousand eighteen and we just found resistance there. Now that channel that we've been trading in. Is is still healthy? It's still. It's, you know, people get so upset to your point when you say, oh, it's to go down, it's going to go down. Yeah. It it could, you know, based upon that easily get down to six thousand even fifty five hundred and still be in very good trend from, you know, in a two thousand dollar swing or three thousand dollars swing yet. So you go down to, you know, go let's say six thousand while nigger next wing up, then debt, does, take you to nine or ten thousand dollars and still be in that trend. It's an upward. It's not parabolic like everybody wants to see but it's still a very nice up nom talking. Logger logarithms. Right. I'm talking like a rib mechanically, but it's still in a very nice upward trend. So it's still Saif. It's still healthy looking the thing as as well as anyone wants to go back through two thousand sixteen seventeen muchly seventeen ridden and you look at the, the percentage of the pullbacks arranging between about thirty four and forty two percent on the pullback from the highs right at from the, you know, if we look at that seventeen run we saw from their hundred seventy percent Ron from that from the low of that thirty to forty percent full back to the high before the next pool bike, which was again, thirty to forty percent. Then from there a two hundred eighty percent move to the upside and another pool back. And then from there, the mega one five hundred sixty percent to the upside, so Dina just illustrates. And the way I'll explain it is kind of, like if you're a slimmer on you've you've got. You've got a condo in Melissa swing hundred made the two hundred major in the former Mehta. You don't just get straight out of the pool from the Honda jump back in again into the two hundred and jump back in again to the four hundred. You get out of the pool. You, you take your winnings. You do what you gotta do. And then you take a break. You sit down, you relax, you get yourself back in the spice and then you already to rice dine at upgrade, there is what a mock it required, and it's fascinating. I it's really insult into the, the lack of understanding of markets in cryptic for the most part, when when people don't say that as being in the city, I think it's driven by. I know it's tune by motion, they just want to say the thing, anybody who fought that whole upward. Swing. I is saying is the enemy, and I found it really interesting that when the market goes down everyone screams, manipulation when the market goes up, it's all about adoption in everything's going swells. Like we'll have to get a scream. The, the if you're gonna play that chain where you sign manipulation you go to plot buzzsaw. It's because it works by saw it. So again, a lack of education in the spice is, what would both work toward? And so I'm the coins quite interesting. So let's talk a little bit more before we kill it about some about coined Bosnian on whether they find more information, how do they how do they get involved in. It's a lot of people getting started his the Levada coils and whatnot. They where people find more information about all coin Bose. Well, we have the site out, coined by zairo, and that's where all of the articles are posted throughout the weekend. And basically, these, these are writers doing we have topics, we all we all find kind of newsworthy pieces in Fordham off to each other into the group and then some you'll take that as a topic and write about it. We also have every comes from a whole lot of different experiences. So there are some folks that are a little bit more from the technical side from an when I say technical, they, you know, they're actually programmers and they understand all that side of it, and what that can do for a particular asset. And they'll look at it from that perspective. We have, you know, so everybody has kind of their own specialty and a look at it from that way. And so the that's, that's kind of the first place to start is outgoing buys AL, and then we've got an, so they're, you know, they're giving a lot of the fundamentals, and then we've got the YouTube channel, which is all coin. Buzz, and that's we're gonna find all of those articles kind of summarized in a to a daily newscast by Matty, you'll find the TA from me a couple times a week. And, and then we have some folks that might touch on some of the all coins that are just from a project standpoint to talk about them and educate folks on what those new projects are that are coming out, yet, cold. Will look it's been an absolute pleasure. Speaking with you mock. I wish you will the best going full. Hopefully we can talk guy down the truck and. You know, to Infinity and beyond, we need you say this pullback and I'm from the off, we go, any any funnel woods for people that are getting started from your point of view. I would say if you're just getting started don't just listen to one person that I ended up doing that in the very beginning. I was listening to kind of all the main influencers at the time. And I didn't understand the whole pay to play thing back then. Right. So I got caught in a few pump and dump coins from from some of those folks. So I would I to me, it's like, yeah, you might fall on all coined buzz, you may like what we're doing and all of that, but we are not the only place to find. You know, there's folks like yourself out there. We're not the only place to find a different perspectives on the market. So it find two three four people that you either relate to or whatever and then follow those folks, and see if there's some confluence there between what they're saying before you just jumping react, and buy something off of a of, of a word if you will. I think he's a wonderful piece of advice. It has been an absolute pleasure. Speaking with you, ladies and gentlemen, Mark Vidana. Head of technical, not Craig at all coin buzz dot I follow him on Twitter that subscribed page click that button on the YouTube, but just get across all coins bus because what you'll do is, you'll find all the information then light in general have a fantastic day, mock Joyce on afternoon. My thanks for talking. Thank you. Craig excellent. Everybody by now. The trade cub crypto podcast is hosted by Craig called ultra-cold courses products and tools can be found at Tradenkov dot com. Because experience met is. This show is currently sponsored what try to cope dot com. 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70: The Great Pumpkin Haul Episode

Hungry Girl: Chew The Right Thing!

36:31 min | 1 year ago

70: The Great Pumpkin Haul Episode

"Phone it's a Ooh. I'm so hungry howdy party people it's me. Lisa Lillian also known as hungry angry girl here hungry land with my pals and coworkers. Mikey and Jamie Happy Friday alot Friday the thirteenth. That's when we recorded this. It's crazy. It's scary. Spooky reminds me of Halloween. Witch goes right in line with the theme of this week's episode. We excited. I'm jumping right in to talk about because too much to cover. This is the Great Pumpkin Hall episode. We have gathered what like a bazillion at least a bazillion. That's an official number pumpkin items that we are going to chew and tell today we're GonNa talk about. It and we have a studio audience with us today. I know I was going to tell you a funny story about that we do. We have a guests in the studio. It's my sister. Mary is waving rapidly in the background and lally Jamie. I must have been like feeling anxiety about like having somebody listening on the podcast today because I had a dream last night and you're in it and we were going to report to record the podcast today and you brought in like five people and it was it's like two of them were former employees that we hadn't seen in years and then. I can't say I don't like to other people like randomly and then I was like who are these people. They were all like sitting right across from me staring at me. What's happening and you're like oh. I didn't have time to tell you they're here to listen to the five gallon. We must have been premonition because Kelly the You know it was weird. I don't it was so strange. I woke up feeling weird and I was like why am I feeling weird and then I remembered the dream and it's probably Lake Mary here but you know she's not staring at us on the other side but she'll marry you to try the Pumpkin stuff all right all right so we're going to jump right in. We don't even have any breaking breaking twos because we have too many things to eat all the riches and it's going to be a long episode so I know there's a little trick that sometimes people well listen to the podcast on like one point five times the speed so if you don't mind sounding a little bit like we don't just yum little you can speed it up so you can hear it in less time. Erin our test kitchen manager listens to every episode like that. It's so funny. We probably sound like chipmunks anyway all right so so we are going to start today by testing out. We have a battle between Pumkin yogurts. We have three Pumpkin yogurts that we're gonNA try we have. Dan Enlightened Fit Pumpkin Pie. We have show Bonnie pumpkin spice and we have trader joes Pumpkin Greek Non Fat Yogurt so we're going to first start with the Dan enlightened fit fit which only has eighty calories. This is by far the lowest calorie of all no fat at all now. You know I'm a dirt so that's you loud that yogurt expert for the the people who don't know shorthand so this is. This is going to be interesting okay. I'm mixing it up the texture. It feels good. It feels nice and thick you know a lot of times. These like throwback old fashioned light yogurt or a little thinner. This is like a good textile and this was the only one of the three that's not Greek It's just regular our old. Dan Enlighten fit eighty calories bubby American younger. This is nice sweet. It's a little too sweet on board. Is it sweetened with yeah. It tastes me like tin cans probably aspartame or sucralose or a super-low super-low yell. It tastes little splendor riff but it's eighty calories and it's a pretty nice size yeah. It's not bad. Actually I don't I would say it serves a purpose you know at that is Greek Greek Greek well. That's a little thicker animals more sound this hour side. Um You know it doesn't have. I'M GONNA you're GonNa hear this like a broken record. I am very sensitive to clove so when things are overly clove it reminds me of going to the dentist dentist when I was a child but that didn't it didn't overdo it on the cloth. I thought it was nicely spiced with the sweetener was a little out of control. Say I think that your dentist should be fired for giving giving clove like my dentist had like marshmallow floride and it's not that it was part of the medicine was like it wasn't like it's like here's your clove-flavoured to face all right well. The next one is the pro trader Joe's Pumpkin Greek Non Fat Yogurt. This has one hundred thirty calories stories and twenty carbs and twelve grams of protein. The last one also twelve fourteen but I have to say the Calorie count is way higher on this fun. I'm looking forward to this. I bought actually about like four or five of them and I haven't had them because I couldn't cheat and have them before you guys home four It Zero Pumpkin really I think they forgot the pumpkin flavor. Are you just say cinnamon cinnamon light cinnamon taste almost glue. I would definitely not spend fifty. More calories is on this one. No I don't really usually trader. Joe's is a home run. Mike do you like it. I don't hate it but I definitely would love more Pumpkin but I like yogurt and it has a good texture that to me. It's all about texture. It does have good texture. Maybe you chopped up apples and a little more cinnamon your own pumpkin spice to it. Yeah I don't know I was like like that was unimpressive to me. This is Giovanni which is considerably thinner than the other two hundred and twenty calories. This is not nonfat and has two point five grams of fat still low. Oh Levin grams of protein so it's competing in the protein department much thinner. I'm much thinner and a little less full leans like some big scoop out there. You know what this tastes like to me like you know the icing on the top the Danish flavor almost like but it's it's specifically Danish flavored icing. I like the author Tasers all Pumpkin. That's great. That's the Best Trapani to me hands down the winner in the Yogurt Department. If you're in search of a Pumpkin yogurt the season stick with Giovanni I will say just my opinion shockingly. I liked the Dan enlightened fit even though like if you're sensitive to artificial sweeteners it's no but I can deal with Blenda. It was really yummy very very sweet but but definitely tasty good nicely spiced okay moving onto pancakes and waffles. We have yet another pumpkin battle. this is the time of year where all of these things are popping up on shelves this these two are actually this is going to be a good one because Kodiak cakes. I don't know what happened. They are taking the world by storm. Everybody loves Kodiak Cakes. They make a flap Jack and waffle mix in Pumpkin and flax flavor ten grams of protein a hundred and ninety calories serving two grams of fat. You can find these target and let me know Jamie if we have to tell people where the the yogurts are available but or they more mainstream and they're pretty mainstream obviously the trader. Joe's one is only at trader. Joe's the other ones are nationwide. Okay good so the Kodiak cakes her target and I don't know where else you get Kodiak hy-vee there's a store locator you can check out and there's some on Amazon but hurry up because it's low stock curry hurry okay and then the other one we're gonNA be trying Birch Benders Pumpkin Spice Paleo Pancake and waffle mix and those have one hundred forty calories a six grams of fat six grams of protein. Those are also a target so these are competing on the shelves at target and also at at home. It's great okay so let's go. We're going to start with the Kodiak cakes. I'm thinking perfect almost closer to me. Perfect love the look of Kodiak cakes and they're so fluffy they they make really good products and I think that the people like the Kodiak people are really cool. I met them like some food. Show on and these are just add water by the way Oh oh yeah you don't have to. I'm just going to use the back of my spoon to cut a little piece on. We're just a little. It's a little flat right yeah like a little soggy looking getting bigger than that to me. They don't taste so pumpkin but they're good. They're all of them. I never met a pancake. I didn't like Rome all right. I'm not a big pancake person. Those are just okay to me and I didn't have butter and Syrup Pancake like you did just recently when we were on our trip in Philadelphia the hotel that we stayed Pumpkin or their pancakes in the morning. We're not I mean. Can you really Count Hotel pancakes. Yes everything else they did. There was good. Oh all right. This is the Birch benders. It's lighter in color. The other one was dark on these feel like spongy kind of hope. They're better than the that syrup that we tried awesome. Oh that's right spongier. They do know there. Buttermilk pancakes are probably one of the best but these are not nearly as good as their buttermilk pancakes. These tastes like they have more fat oh they do. They have a lot more fat. They taste richer sick. They do tastes richer six grams of fat him giving a little bit too early six grams of protein. I don't know I have to be honest. I'd rather make my own. Don't we have like a recipe coming. It's coming out in a couple of weeks. It's the best those are phenomenal and I didn't know what it was going to run but they're they're way better than this on just okay. I liked the Birch benders better. What did you like better probably the bridge benders but that's because I'm reacting to the richness like all the VAT. I taste it but I love Kodiak everything so don't feel bad Kodiak people. We love you yeah. I think I'd do the bender okay. We ready to move onto bars. Let's go to the bar. We have bars and bars in bars ars but we we let we narrowed it down because there are a lot of pumpkin bars out on the market so we only have the Rx bar in Pumpkin spice which is a seasonal flavor and we we have the Lara Bar which is also a seasonal flavor in Pumpkin Pie. They're sort of comparably nutritional. they have com comparable. Mac rose to entrant in calories in the our expert two hundred calories in the Lara Bar. One has eight grams of fat. One has nine Lara bar is a little more fat fat five grams of fiber in the x bar four grams of fiber in the Lara Bar and the big difference is protein. The Rx Bar has twelve wapping grams of protein and Lara bar only has four. That's a big difference totally nuts and I'll give you some avail info while you open those up the Rx expires our at our expert dot com target whole foods trader Joe's and more fun retailers also low in stock but Amazon and Lara Bar. We found it. WEGMANS and it's on Amazon. You can find our bar everywhere okay. I'm GonNa let you because you have to mangle. I'm letting Jamie cut the the Rx bar because you have to touch that is condo your food. I'm going to take a bite. That's good or your loved that texture yeah. Their stuff is like crazy next up Larra ally after really that's less like a protein eighteen bar. Maybe Laura anyways anyone ever met Lerman Nice yeah she sold to General Mills like years ago great. That one's a little bit yum year but I might go for the other one just for all the extra protein. What do you think Lisa. I think they're very different. I feel like the Lara bar taste a little bit like like a Fig Newton. Currently it's a little sweeter. I feel like the Rx bar. I don't there's something about an Rx bar. That's like crazy satisfying. I feel like if you want something to fill you up. The Rx bar would do the trickle better. Larry feels more like dessert all in I probably it's hard I think the Lara Bar tastes better but I think all in the the Rx barlow better grow. Bono's really impressive yum fun well. All of this is making me thirsty and and moving on to coffee finds connor start out by saying there is a K. Cup. There's a pumpkin spice cake up by what is it Green Mountain Green Mountain. We're not taking that today but that is a staple here. It's really good so we already know. We love it. Oh wait. Maybe we do have here all right. We'll try that after but it's very good. I was just starting by saying. We didn't need to try it but if it's here we're going to try to little at home hack. If you brew your own coffee is to add bad pumpkin pie spice to the coffee grounds in your coffeemaker instant pumpkin spice coffee instant good idea dustin but instant. Lee It will have it I do that with cinnamon a lot but you know really bruce coffee anymore. Oh good that was good shot there so Jamie's distributing the ice because the first drink we're going to try his Khalifa. Khalifa farms isn't Khalif Khalifa Farms Pumpkin Spice Latte Cold Brew Coffee Almond Milk. So this is is pre milked. Pre sweetened remotes clean mill. That sounds funny. It's pre- creamed so it's already like a creamy sweet drink eight ounces eighty calories. That's that's a big commitment for me. Personally I personally would never drink eight ounces of coffee for eighty calories. I if I like this a lot. I might use it to like spike my coffee yeah. It was so creamy a refilling. You'll really like clear farms their almond milk there unsweetened memorial is the best yeah they make good stuff. she's going back for a second. SIP I don't get a lot of Pumpkin I do. I mean cinnamon. I like it too little mild. I would spike my coffee with this to me. This is almost more like a creamer her coffee like it's just too for me but you know what. I drink crazy strong coffee so maybe I can't be trusted with that opinion a lot though yeah I think people all might like that. A lot of people humans might enjoy that you know that would be good as a cocktail based like like with the cereal milk stuff you're playing with last week. You mean like a coffee. Drink added no cocktail if you added collect shooter. Oh if you drink enough Bailey's anything taste good editor into a shake. Oh Yeah I liked it but I'm with you. I would never drink it straight yeah it was it was just okay but it's target case you. WanNa try it. next up Khalifia Farms Pumpkin Spice Almond Milk creamer so this one for a tablespoon has fifteen calories and it's also a target and you you free which is great very thick very thick. It is I'm GONNA. Try It in its own little Ramat Gan the problem I have with liquid cremers is that I feel like a tablespoon does not go along way does it. We should adding a tablespoon able spoon to the Brood. Oh so the Brood Pumpkin spice coffee that we have yes and see how far wouldn't actually goes Wall Street. Maybe it will go a long way. It's it actually is delicious but I feel like it doesn't need to be as sweet as it is. Why do they all the calories. Come from all sugar but I would love to see how much one tablespoon. We've got like a six to eight ounce cup of. I think we should add one tablespoon serving of this. Do you have a tablespoon. We could wing. It tastes like a liquid version of Pumpkin Pie. It just tasted so sugary to me. Would you say that's about a tablespoon I don't know oh I would say that is about a tablespoon. Maybe a little more. Let's see if it goes using the back of my spoon see it did not make Dent uh-huh. It didn't make a dent in that. Do you know what I'm saying. Let's find out here. Let me work tonight. We can use the back of yeah. I mixed it a little. Do you want me to know ice rankings thought in my room can I'm going to put some in your Roenick Ram again. I loved his coffee drinks. There you go ooh. I like this. I just put it back in with the rest of my creamer. That's tasty. That's good. It's good coffee well. That's also pumpkin flavored. They were calling the Pumpkin spice coffee. Green Mountain is great so it's a double dose. It's trouble because I would want to add like four tablespoons but still not terrible if you did that. It would be sixty calories. That's not like it's still better than drinking the cold group eighty yup so okay. I like it there. You have it but now I feel a sugar rush and I haven't even had that much sugar and there's a lot coming. Gosh okay moving onto frozen fines. We're starting with one of my favorite things. I love my mom Macci. We love them so so much. When we went to the museum vice cream a big event yeah we ate that was my introduction. Emoji always love not for those of you who don't own mode. She is there like the little will it's like Japanese dough wrapped around ice cream and they're becoming more popular and my Mo- has made them really mainstream and now they have a pumpkin spice ace coming soon or coming now for the season so we're trying it's a hundred and ten calories per piece two point five grams of fat yet and they're already at target apparently yes and by the way those last two. KHALIFIA farms products targets your best. They have a huge display at target. Get my multi. I'm going to cut that with an ICE. I'm pretty sure I've seen this at whole foods. The my Mo Chee has like their own separate like freezer section. Actually buy individual wants to like you. Don't have to just by the whole box. If you WANNA look I think it is I think Seema Zima. I got it so pretty. I like that orange color here. You want a whole half. Come on the all right. It is bright orange. It looks like a Pumpkin. Ooh Best thing. We've tried to one hundred percent yum. This tastes like Pumpkin without a doubt. The most authentically canticles pumpkin flavored item of the day. What are the stats on the One ten two point five grams up. It's not nothing but it's really satisfying yeah. I could eat that whole bit of sports. I Love Moti. It'd be hard to stick to one though just one yeah. I'm not a sweet sweet person. I could be half and be happy like most people might want to but honestly two hundred calories for delicious second not bad okay next up. We've got Johny POPs in Pumpkin and cream these are also a target sprouts Albertson's and more and other fine retailers hundred twenty many calories seven grams of fat Johnny Pop. Is that like. It looks like it's old but it's gotta be new right so cute. Yes it's like a newer brand but they look very retro. Pumpkin and cream so it's not it's not huge but it's not I mean for the calorie count. I think it looks pretty fair. What are you guys think the taste will determine. Is that a picture of Johnny on the box. There's a little cartoon character. He must be Johnny. It's their version cerny getting cream. Wow are they not might be. The best one now me to this is like an a plus plus plus plus that tastes like Pumpkin pie run. Don't walk to find the Johnny POPs pumpkin cream bar and that to me that hundred twenty calories. I feel like would go further than the Moltke one so we do the scene here on Friday. It's called take home. I'm claiming that for take home first of all. That's the bet that may be the best. PUMPKIN item I've ever tasted. Johnny pops whoever you are home run out of this world run. Don't walk to to buy the Johnny POPs in Pumpkin and cream. I don't care if you're in Subzero temperatures judging by his cartoon character. He has spectacles. A bow tie certainly certainly can see clearly in the kitchen because he's created investments this okay next. Yes Oh bars in Pumpkin cheesecake one hundred twenty calories three grams of fat. These are also at target. You know we love yes. Oh yes so they know what they're doing and these are frozen. Greek yogurt bars K. and see if they have some protein hundred twenty dollars uh-huh fat five grams per student. That's not bad yes. Oh has never done anything wrong. I don't think I mean everything has been great. This tastes like this like pie crust in it. um or cheesecake crust tastes like maple leafs. That is really good. It's like a lighter texture than the other one which was really dense but it's is a little bigger and still just as perfectly flavored. It is nowhere near as good as the Johnny pop no in my opinion it's good. It's good but it's not like you can't compare it. This tastes like a tasty bar that tastes a little like maypole tastes a little holiday ish. It's got a mild flavor to it. It's not going to upset you but I like to me not in the same stratosphere as the Johnny up for the same many calories but half the fat little less than half the fat no more frozen home. That's it everything's melting yeah but we still have so much good stuff. We do okay next up. We have Sheila Cheese Brownie Brittle in pumpkin spice with cream cheese chips. How clever is that. If this turns out to be good talk about run don't walk because we are told that they are super low stock online. There's very any left in distribution. They must have just flown off the shelf. Everyone just grab a piece out of the bag. So let's talk about the stats on these we have the Shivaji by the way in case. You don't know who she is. She pretty much created Brownie Brittle. She was the originator she made her Brownie Brittle. She has blondie brittle and now she's cleverly putting got some holiday flavors four pieces one hundred thirty calories six grams of fat. Wait before you eat it smell. It took it out of bounds L. I'm obeying my It smells like butter cookies. Berko it does not I'm Kim. Don't talk at all tastes like butter cookies with butter cookie chips but they're delicious. You would never know no. This was Pumpkin. Flavored doesn't even like Pumpkin spice. I feel like it's more of a blondie with pumpkin spice flavors and chocolate chips. They forgot the pumpkin spice flavors. It's still great yum yeah. That'd be good on top of ice cream. Corn Chonkin is Yup yum that I like that but no pumpkin flavor whatsoever whatsoever now. We're moving on to more things from trader. Joe's trader Joe's where they have like magical food fairies bouncing around creating new products every week like every week new pumpkin. Things are hitting the shelves so we have a nice sampling of things from TJ is that we're going to try now. I one trader Joe's Pumpkin Cream. I'm chas seventy calories for two tablespoons five grams of fat. I mean I I'm going to tell you I already know this product and I love it so much candy Pumpkin cheesecake it it does it does. It smells like sniff this. It smells just like Pumpkin cheesecake so it's just like a little container. Thank cheese and you're like Pumpkin crunchies. How clever I've never seen that before and we have little we can try them on Bagel bites on time on a Bagel. Pass it around to you. I know this cream cheese but just for fun. I'M GONNA try it on a Bagel bite. We made these big by hold on lawless holding my tongue review I all right so the thing about this. Lumpkin cream cheese is first of all texture is phenomenal uh-huh why why why don't they had this all year long no. It doesn't like y give us into a swimming for three months what I don't know if you've ever had this on an apple. It's so good I can't stop licking my spoon. I don't ever want to stop eating this. It's so young it's mild. It's not overly flavored more. It's just sweet enough. It's just like it's like a desert spread that works on a Bagel. I mean we have it on Apple. Flavored Bagel bites out that which is just it. This is just a holiday explosion. Do you think this is the best product a tragedy has ever made. I don't but I like it a lot. It's up there. It's really really trader. Joe's has so many their best rest spread at least yeah maybe but they have so many. I don't know like what's that dressing that you love from trader Joe's or is that a different one. That's a different one. That's up. That's Costco right okay trader. Joe's has a lot of really good products like the cauliflower in Yoki has been in my life forever. I mean for at least a year or whenever it came out that is somebody somebody posted in the community that they they only on Air Fryer so the air fried the nookie in this game changer field. It really is but you can't nuke it. That's the one thing you can't Shantou okay next up. Trader Joe's Pumpkin butternut squash bisque. I love the sound of it. One Cup one hundred calories four point five grams of fat. Three grams of fiber end a gram of protein so much. This is a little bit of a nice little bisque one hundred calories. A Cup is not bad. Let's see what it tastes like. It's Kinda thin for bisque. Oh it's so good that's really really good is going to be part of the lists now. Jimmy sure it's pretty good start. Getting this tastes like butternut squash soup. Only it's not quite as thick as butternut squash soup but it's really nicely flavored tastes like a really good fall situation. I would eat this day. I would keep this in the house excellent. Where's this found in the refrigerated section or is it in a box refrigerated section refrigerated section. Were there prepared. Foods are the Turkey meat loaves and okay. This is going to go with those apple megabytes to say okay love that another trader. Joe's item we have trader Joes Pumpkin Biscardi Lou Hunkin Bescot a little tub packaging is really cute adores and it says this is made with Real Pumpkin puree and spices Nice Tuba Scotty a hundred and ten calories four grams of fat are they nicely sized ooh ooh two and a half inches. What do you think yeah something like that huge running. Our I broke one and a half but it this is like this is hard as rock all Scotty. If I close my eyes I wouldn't know Pumpkin. It is good very very sweet very lightly spiced. has a little bit of a cinnamon thing you gotta throw that. Pumpkin cheesecake that would make it better on top. Please as do that right now to dip the end. He didn't put in his face a Snafu in the packaging. Oh okay the Biscardi good solid at the wrong end your did it that was in his face after I jokingly reminded her now. It looks like this is what's happening in my mind assuring that you can take that home to spit in the container while you're uh-huh is a great okay good. No let me dip into coffee no last okay last item saving the best for last. I'M GONNA say this is another item. I tried and I have to tell you I kept telling Aaron called trader. Joe's every single day to see if they have the Pumpkin. Joe Joe's in stock doc yet. I'm going to be honest. I don't eat cookies like cookies once in a very blue moon. There's a full moon. It is the thirteenth. I'm going to have a bite of a cookie. Today I look at it. It's a Pumpkin Joe Joe so for those of you who are out of the loop. A Joe Joe is trader Joe's version of an oreo cookie. It's got like it's like a sandwich cream. They have every flavor under the sun. They look at Mike like eating it like a child like ah the top off then you eat. Take Your poff well people. They'll like take the cremers eat the cream by itself would I do. It's actually turned the cookie upside down so the cream hits my tongue. I I saw that's interesting well. I'm going to take the cream alone because I haven't separated the two but this is these are like pumpkin cookies with pumpkin cream. The cream alone is not as good when you meet with the cookie you could empty the cookie and put cream cheese in the middle. Yes that would be better really good idea to cookies hundred and fifty calories six grams of fat. That's hi uh-huh. That's I'm sorry people that's high. If you want to commit to a seventy five calorie cookie better off with one hundred and ten Calorie Moti but this Pumpkin Joe is good. I'M GONNA to try the cookie now. That's the winning part of this cookie but there are excellent lolly can't eat this so so. What do you think overall? How how how was the hall? I think overall the hall was good but I do feel like the Pumpkin flavor and a lot of these. Things could have been a little stronger. Maybe they were afraid maybe but also like it could be that after trying like eighteen things. Taste buds are clouded. It's possible I don't know but there were a lot of standouts you say. Let's do it quick rundown and rankings. You got it first up in the Yogurt Department we had Dan enlightened Fit Greek Pumpkin Pumpkin Pie Yogurt. I'll I will give that a seven and a half and if you don't mind splendor it might be a nine. It tastes really good next. We Have Cho- Bonnie actually I think we tried tried. The trader. Joe's trader Joe's Pumpkin Greek Non Fat Yogurt. I I just found that to be like five. I did not like it. It didn't taste so good to me. Yeah sorry I'll give it a seven texture wise. It was perfect textualist good. How about the Giovanni Pumpkin Spice Yogurt that to me was like a nine and a half. I really liked it. Wow now we're moving onto pancake and waffle mix. We've got Kodiak up. I I'd say that's about a seven. It's okay. It's not amazing how about that. Birch benders seven and a half. I don't think either of these are out of this world. Macaroni Change Your Life but if it's something that you want to feel festive and makes them pancakes grabbed him how come they haven't come up with Pumpkin flavored and Maple Syrup interesting. I don't know that would be a perfect combination. Maybe just had pumpkin spice. Everything Mike is going to be selling on Ebay next. It's going to be at home dumping Pumpkin spice into Maple Syrup Miss.. Make sure you get the right permits. I don't want to have to bail you out of jail again now or it's never happened. Although eventually these days boy all right moving onto the bar scene Rx bars and pumpkin spice are ex bars. I give those about a nine. Those were really really good so satisfying about the lower bar in Pumpkin Pie It's a little sweet for me. It was cookie like I'd say seven and a half. I would have given it an eight eight. I'd say eight okay we can move talking to her up to it or in the coffee department. We I tried the Khalifia Farms Pumpkin Spice Latte Take Cold Brew Coffee With Almond Milk. I give that a solid seven. I bet you guys are going to give it higher. Probably you would say would be higher but I think it's a seven yeah. I mean I liked it a lot. I want to try a blended mix. Get some ice and put it in a blender and see how that tastes like that it was miles which I kind of like and then we moved onto the Khalifa Farm Pumpkin Spice Almond Milk Crooner. I'd say it's an eight solid eight nice flavor uh-huh and how about that Green Mountain Pumpkin Pie ten green mountain coffee is really good all right nine and a half. I don't WANNA say ten. It's very good right because it's I don't really love like the flavored cake ups as much as the pure coffee this was. It was just perfectly flavored. YES FROZEN FREEZER AL L. I F. was my mo- motion pumpkin spice. can't go wrong with that. I give those eight. They're really good gun ten on that protein save some love love for John. No I can't because Johnny pops earned eleven out of ten so that's why I thought I thought you would turn on the moti eleven on the Johnny and like I don't know there there yeah the I guess is probably on par with the my mom Oji those eight for those but the Johnny POPs. I can't stop thinking about the. I'm going home with Josh. Remember though before we had the Johnny pops we said the my Mo- was the the best that we had so far all right. Maybe there are nine yeah. I don't know him so. I'm like like Pumpkin. Hey you know I'm a major sugar rush happening. Okay Sheila she and her blondie brittle all in Pumpkin spice. You know in flavor alone. I'd give it about a nine but like the fact that it's supposed to be pumpkin. I have to pull that down to a seven and a half because there's really no pumkin. I'm can flavor better luck next time Sheila but we like Sheila and her brittle okay more from trader. Joe's we've got. I up the PUMPKIN cream cheese ten. I love it. I love it. I eat it with everything like even things. You wouldn't want sweet cream cheese with like I've had it. Is that weird. I mean I would eat it off of. Mike's Finger. Is that weird. He is your husband. That's fine. That's perfectly acceptable all right. How about the trader Joe's Pumpkin Butternut Squash bisque nine. I liked it may to have out the pumpkin Scotty from trader Joe's seven six and a half seven just okay and last up trader Joe's Pumpkin. I'm Kim Joe. Joe's they're good. I'll give them an eight and a half but only because I don't really WANNA seventy five calorie cookie get higher marks and you gotta eat it like a cooking like an Oreo because like you said the flavor's rookie separately as they are together yeah just like us. Oh we made each other better all right well. That was fun this Pumpkin while I think was a big success I think so too and then we're going to keep giving you pumpkin. Recipes appeased things all season long in the daily emails. 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A Practice of Care

Poetry Off The Shelf

48:41 min | 4 months ago

A Practice of Care

"This is poetry off the shelf I'm Alina, the group. Today a practice care. When EJ Cole was fifteen. Parents moved back to Korea without her. Father had gotten an interesting job offer and her mother would join him. So she could be reunited with the family. She'd left behind seventeen years earlier when she followed her husband to the United. States. Cohen? Her brother, who's four years older moved from their family home in Fremont California. To Davis and both of them tried as they could to get on with their lives. But without her parents, nothing was the same. Coast started skipping school skipping meals spent much of her time in days. Unsure how to navigate this new reality. Years later, she found a box with forty nine of the many letters her mother had sent from Seoul. They became the start of her memoir much just about her own trauma, but also about the trauma. had carry for generations have parents, grandparents even her great grandparents. When I talked to her about this memoir, the magical language others as well as her poetry collection a lesser we love the first thing I wanted to know was how she remembered that initial conversation when her parents decided to go back. What's interesting? Is I I? Every time our family gets together to talk about that moment it comes out a little differently. And I think it's. talked about a little differently from each person. For my father was very much something he didn't have to do but wanted to do for my mother so that she could reunite with her family moved in apart from for seventeen years since she missed her family. I think of other part of the story is my brother at the time. She wanted my father to follow his own ambitions. I. Think my brother wanted to support my father in that way and said you know. We don't know what you can do if you don't try for it. And another layer to this is. Insert of many eastern cultural circles. It's quite common to separate the family in order to support the family and hope for sort of. Greater financial stability. And in sort of Western cultural circles, the idea is. Frowned upon yet to leave your children behind. So these were some of the layers encircling the decision at the time. And can you tell me how how you remember that? I remember. I remember that they asked me if I would come I know my mother kept asking but I think. What was on her mind was, how would I share going to another country and starting over on? I mean you get hints of it in the book but I had a really hard time even adjusting here. It took me many years to pick up the English language even point they were leaving. I was having trouble with school. And trouble with anxiety in social places it in. So the idea of bringing me to Kerr is just that you know it would be difficult. They just couldn't see me there. Yeah. And you know I think there's also the opinion that comes later on as you know where you at the age in which you can make an actual decision for yourself on the some you know to be even. That to be able to contemplate what it would mean for me so I didn't know I didn't know what was to come from making that decision right and you know what my parents were born in raised in Korea and I was born here we have different expectations of each other and we both have different ideas of what a family is. And I think part of the anxiety intention was once they've left to them, it was still a family and to me it it took away from me what a family was supposed to be, and we weren't able to see each other and understand one another young. Yeah it was it was difficult and it was difficult for my brother to to be so young and you know we we play house in. That's what we did. We played house for years and nobody knew you know the teachers didn't know and I'm sure some of them could sense that something was different and off, but it was a survival really for us And things that you that you did to maintain a semblance of normalcy I am just wondering about. Did you cook do watch the same shows that you used to watch on TV? Do you know what you did to sort of provide continuity as if nothing ever happened You Know I. I remember. M, my memories of these years are so vivid I remember waking up. I think it's one of the first days that me and my brother were there loan. and. I remember waking up and the interesting thing is all my things are the same. So it's the same bed and it's the same death I had at our family house. It's the same almost the same layout you know you have the. we had a closet mirror and then I had a window. But it wasn't the family house, it was this new house. I remember waking up in and feeling that shift very strongly that all my things are here and yet I'm nowhere near where I used to be. You know there I remember large chunks of time with just nothing to do I didn't have friends in this new place I didn't understand where I was or what would happen and so I would just sort of walk around the house would pace around out fine places to sit down and I would. Stare off but being in the new house became an intimate place for me a reminder of their their absence I would say. Me Holding onto the memories of what it was like to be together. I find that sting because in my work I returned to houses quite frequently the inside of rooms personality of homes like the bathroom or the way the closet is these things always stay with me I, think they're symbolic of that time. Yeah. And do you remember because you said that the house even in its layout and then the furniture? was like the old house? Do. You remember the first time that you're better or you made some change? So. that it wasn't that anymore. I, think my brother and his. Very best intentions he came home one day with a puppy with a Siberian Husky puppy and we just had never had a dog before and so my brother wanted me to see that. There was a freedom here now that our parents were crossed the world at, we can start to do things that maybe were never allowed before on my I would say I'm I'm partly or mostly allergic to dogs I dog now and as I don't doesn't bother me when bid but still you know our parents would have any pets but I had a bird I had a pet parakeet me MECO, and then my brother brought home ason the Husky puppy that we took care of and she got a new TV and we play video games and we would. Eat tacos whenever we wanted and. Try to make her own sense of what a family could be if it's justice. There were great highs with that and they were on their bouts of lows because I think in the end, we were both kids and we both wanted so much in you were both. So lonely on our own. That loneliness wasn't something we could share together. You didn't talk to your brother about. Your feelings. No. I don't know why hazard pets so like. Our family in general we weren't. We weren't talking about it. That way I think what we express was are sort of aggression and our complaints are annoying and even some violence as a as a failure of communication right and so you were a child like in that way and we would get into fights and it was. Terrible mess than some of the time There is a letter, the first letter in your book a let it at your mother wrote from Seoul and. I was wondering if you could read that it starts on page one of your memoir heavy to do that. Dear Angie. Hello. Hello hello my Angie. You said you're doing well. We phoned yesterday remember. Mommy got a little angry but not you. Mommy didn't take good care of things and had thoughts like. I put you guys up in a very dirty place. If you lived with mommy you wouldn't raise a dog. An NGO wouldn't be alone at the House and Davis every day. Right Then without asking you guys bought a TV. Of course, you could have done that but. Anyway. Everything is fine. It's fine. After. Some time passed I realized they could have done that. Still. If ason goes in and out of your room the thought of my juice body close is dog hair sticking to everything. Even, now it makes my heart A. You can understand, right. Oh my friend coupons daughter Chunyan finally got hired at s television studios? Starting next year. Schule. Be An announcer and come on TV. Q. On was so hysterical, she called me crying. Didn't turn out well. For a year and a half, you don't know how many times Chunyan untested. It's a big big deal. I'll have to thank God. He won had only been getting bad news as of late. God is fair. You know. My engy is tired and lonely now, but you'll get good news to. You will go to the college. You want then graduate from college, get a job, and from here on your only get lots and lots of good news especially in college, a good boyfriend will appear. Mommy's excited just thinking about it. Right. My Pretty Angie, you know to live all you can and always boldly right? Then, G must be happy. So Mommy can be happy. When I finished the slider I'll pray to. God always be with my engy and Chonkin. Please help my g go to the college. She wants like this you know. Alright again tomorrow by be. Happy Mom. Thank you. So so this is a translation right a translation that you made The original letter is also printed in the book in Korean with certain words in English that in the translation you italicized. But what stands out to me so much is the tone of her language Mommy got a little angry but not as you like this kind of third person talking about her slow like you would do to a very small child. And I'm wondering. Why she used that language and how that made you feel. my mother uses this. Kitty Diction as she writes in Korean because she knew that Mike was limited at the time. So she. Writes a simply as she can, and then she uses mommy in the third person and I thought Mommy was the best translation because she almost infantilized the relationship. I don't think. I ever stop being the age at which she left me throughout her letters in think there's very few times where she says I've changed and it takes many years for her to say things like that because we're not seeing each other very much when we spoke on the phone I, think she slips into that as well I think. There is a sense of Ecu. It's a Korean word for sort of You might say it's a cute way of talking. It's an affectionate way of talking and you do usually do that with your loved ones or with a small child, and in this case you know I I've remained that small child to hearse. What's funny is that that Kitty languages? Juxtapose with sometimes these really large words and they've got a her that she finds the English dictionary and she. Uses the first dictionary definition and finds the word and puts it in. So she'll say we need to do this through cooperation or UC's longer Latin it words in those are words she sort of spelling out in English zoom that there's just like a wonderful thing going on with her letters with the kitty diction and then the formality, and then there's drawings. So I wanted to be able to translate all these little nuances and. I I remember when I first found these letters when I moved to Seattle Washington, they were just in a box with sort of tissue rep paper in it and I just don't know how I moved around all over the country many. With this intact. and. I opened it and I found the forty nine letters that my mother wrote me. You know it's that international envelope. This would always sort of. Makes my heart drop. It's the you know the red blue if you've ever gotten one of those. And I remember reading through them and some of them having like the ink was running a little or the paper was crumpled up. And I, think it just struck me because I was not only reading these letters as who I was at that moment, but I was reading. The letters as artifacts as being read by WHO I was when I was that young girl because you would see these tear marks all over the page. You know when you see a watermark, the paper creases, just a little bit Milton changed the line. So. It felt like coming across the time capsule and it felt like something I needed to go back in time to understand. That's what the letters do for me. They they hold so many different things cross time. Yeah Yeah. and. How of course it's hard and I don't know how you can answer this question right. But like how hard was it for you to read them like did you have to follow with your finger? Did you have to use a dictionary? Can you just? Trying to explain how how it was tweet them. You know I can speak Korean quite fluently because I grew up in. We spoke Korean at home and at Church it was Korean and many of my parents friends, and my grandmother who raised me was you know speaking to me mostly Korean. But. It was the reading I learned possibly doing Karaoke. Or trying make sense of things but I I had to hear it so I could read it but I read it slowly and I would sound it out. So you would hear me. Read the letter out loud quietly to myself sort of in the corner of the room, and I would be holding onto these letters so tightly. They really were it felt like I had left. Yeah. Yeah in your memoir, you don't just tell the story of your own life, but you also we've in the life stories of your family members. And how those lives intersected with. Yeah the quite violent history of the twentieth century in Korea. And I'm. I'm wondering why you decided to include those other lives and how you knew the stories like, did you already know them or did you interview those family members? So so how did that happen? You know my my mother lost her mother at a really young age. She lost both her parents in in both tragic accidents when she was a teenager. And I wanted to understand my mother and to understand her I had to understand her mother to an extent I had to understand. You know not my mother as her role I had to understand. Her as a young girl and I needed to see her as a daughter. And I needed to see the way you know death is a sort of distant sits another kind of separation. And that sort of separation forced on my mother at such young H, how that could have affected her and how that was. You know brought to the present moment between us now and how the way we handle this now could really affect the. The the sort of pain and trauma that was a created then. I wanted to go deeper to understand and to. Give my mother room and Space I think she deserves that you know I think if I wrote the memoir, I was just angry the whole time it would be very Boring I think for. Wouldn't do much for my mother and it wouldn't do much for me I? Think the difficult thing is to to try and see her, and so I grew up with stories of my mother talking about her mother I mean my mother talks about her. Wonderful Beautiful mythic mother boom it every photo is exactly that way. We're talking Countryside Korea my mother. My. She's my grandmother my mother's mother as wearing. Blue. NEON body suit and heels with fantastic care and sunny. Just, so a DIVA IN A. And she was married to sort of this. well-to-do gentlemen who was my mother's father but at the time, it was quite common for husbands to take mistresses. This was just something that my mother accepted, but she couldn't understand why her mother couldn't accept that. So the story goes over her sort of the the arguments and fights that begin and then sort of boil over between. Her parents and then her mother runs away leaves the family and the children behind to find her own independence in the city. Into live away but really my my mother tries to bring her mother back home but in her mother finally does relent and come back. She passes away suddenly. And it was from an aneurysm. But at the time you know the village and the people around her and she herself believed she died from heartbreak I mean this exact story I've heard. Probably thousands of times since I was really young, it was almost like a bedtime story and it's the thing that she replays over and over again because. I think there's Hon- you know it's the Korean word for trauma and almost unimaginable grief but it's also a national characteristic of the crane people and so. It's a pain that is generational. It's passed down it some. It's a collective suffering I seem. So my mother is going. Over and over the same stories and my mother must have always wanted to close the distance that was never closed, which is a sort of hot. It's the gap in which something can never be close can never be resolved to repair, and that's the gap in where she lives with the memories of her mother. Now very soon after that, my mother's father passed away tragically his car fell down into creek. and My mother was left with her siblings and so when she left them to come to the states I think she was thinking about them the whole while for more than a decade before the chance to go back to Korea came. Right. It's so interesting what you say right now because. And this is what what was so striking about your memoir to is that. The the shock that opens your book. You know that your parents would leave. You bought behind you know. As. Soon, as you start telling these stories, it makes so much sense. You know like you start seeing it from their perspective and as you say. they're all these good reasons for your mother to want to go back Yeah I don't really know how how to ask you this but I'm just wondering how you did that like was that a long process as like was your first draft much angrier. How did that go like? How did you come so close to? And the standing them. Oh your question is beautiful and intricate and I'm afraid to simple of an answer but. It's poetry. My my first poetry teacher. taught me the word magnanimity. And I remember him. Bringing up the word to critique some of my poems. And I hadn't I never heard of this word before a. An considering that I didn't even know what a poem was just. Until that very weak. But when I came across poetry in that word magnanimity. It's the word that overtook my life because. I remember. I? I hated my first class I. But something about it stuck in my mind and a massive written forty poems my first week. I came back and I showed it to the teacher and he said you know you have this wonderful way of starting poems and you fill out the poem and you can write so many. But. Your problem is that you have a hard time ending poems. It's hard for you to find the turn. And he said it's because. When you write poems about your mother? By the end of the poem. You have to forgive your mother or the poem has to forgive you for not. And that practice of. Every time writing a poem and having to get to the turn. It was a practice of care was a practice of magnanimity and it was constantly writing ahead of myself. So it's starting the poem as who I am right then. And ending it as who I could be as who I might want to be. And that practice over years is something that I took not just for the sake of writing poems I, brought it out into my relationships. I. Practiced it every day in the way I think to myself the sort of compassion and care and expansion and the ability to hold opposing ideas or sentiments simultaneously. You know I said, you know I really need to grow the space of my heart. It is the tiny dark little vein and Han is often described that way as this stone inside you that hardens and solidifies. And contracts. But to sort of release, haunt to to widen it and to let it go and to sort of flooded, expand and become. A softer unharmed into fake. So I would say it through poetry area in portraying guided me to be able to write that more like this. I was thinking very much in the mind of of a poem. A Earlier you already said that. Rooms are important to you, and so I'd love for you to describe that room if I can call it that that that I poetry class was in and then I wanna know you said that you really dislike that class that first class. Tell. Me What the room was like and why you disliked it. Do, you want me to read the paragraph about that room chur. I sat myself in the front row of her classroom inside a trailer. or a shipping container docked at the edge of ultra-tch. Park. I had showered for the first time in two weeks and put on a giant Hoodie over chains as if going to dance practice. Outside students loitered on the ramp in the sunlight inside there were mold spores in the carpet. The tiled ceiling had a layer of moisture. The thermostat was broken. The steel. Champs on the doors looked as if they would lock us in. On the windows there were Moth Wings Missing Moss. cockroach lakes. Missing. cockroach. What I thought was a snakeskin. Was, along school of cobwebs under the chalkboard. crayons had been crushed underfoot. This. Trailer you know it. I remember it. So fondly now and I say all those things loving way. It is the strangest. Place to begin poetry and it also seems perfect away. What happened was? I was seeing my school counselor. Di was in a really. Troubling situation where I had one requirement that I didn't meet and if I could just meet that requirement, I could graduate. In that requirement was mathematics. And I told her I can't to. Anything with Mash. And he sort of leveled with me and said. Well. Let's think about this. Great. What is mathematics and she said it was the language of God. She's a what can possibly replace the language of God. and. We came to the language of Man. She said you're gonNA, take an introduction to poetry class to fulfil your mathematics requirement. And that really was the beginning. been a I. Mean I was dancer in the way that I was. You know I was in a competitive. Hip Hop dance crew and I was competing across the state and this was very much a part of my life as a or so I thought you know it was the last place where I could be recognized. Yeah, and so I, I walked into this poetry class just. Completely, irreverend of all the things that were waiting for me in there. Yeah the first poem, the teacher use an MFA student at the time at UCI, his name's Greg Clear. And the first poem he taught us was what his teacher at the time wrote. It's by James McMichael the poems or the vegetables. and. I just remember we were reading it and. It made no sense but it made sense. And it was. English. But it wasn't English. I was still having trouble with English and with speaking in writing but somehow this arrangement of English that wasn't English made more sense to me than any other individual language. In in that classroom and talking about fetched ables. But while in about vegetables were talking about you know the poets Mother Steph. And to be be talking about that through vegetables something. Class and that disgust struck me and I remember Greg leading me. No, it seems very much like I was part of poetry and that I had something here. And they just didn't leave him right and I was also right rebellious and. A an awful students. So so kind to my teachers not so very generous and so. Left and I didn't plan on coming back but I did and in came back almost like a foul opened. Within me and I couldn't stop writing poems. I just couldn't. It's so interesting to me because the way that you describe this poem as being about vegetables, but then also being about death. Yet, that was the closest that you'd ever gotten to language sense to you. You know. Okay, I have to try and phrases question better because. I felt like to your memoir that there was even though you're a writer, you're a poet that one of the two true gotTa have such difficulty with the the. One of the through threads. In. Your memoir. Is a certain. If I can call it mistrust of language. It starts very early on you know when you`re When you're little kid up until the age of four and a half, you don't speak at all the doctor thinks you're mute. But continues later on to I mean you receive all these letters from your mother But you never write her back. And then. When you learn Japanese? And you go to Japan and you immerse yourself in this new language. Instead of. That becoming an a new way to express yourself and becomes a new way to isolate yourself. Use you say that somewhere in the book. And so with all of this mistrust of language, I'm wondering what? Poetry. Allows you to do that makes language. Make Sense. do you? I think that's a beautiful question. A perfectly. Almost like you've read the book and You. Fred its shadow. When I was growing up in our household Mike Grandmother had to hide her Japanese. She was in the habit of doing that when she was in Korea but. When we were in the states, it seemed very much. A secret, and so I mean, even before speaking I remember sensing that there's something different about my grandmother. And feeling her anxiety of using this other language and it's a language, she didn't want me to know. And the only time she spoke Japanese was at the Sushi counter when we went to the supermarket. and. I must be only person that heard her 'cause we were together all the time since my parents were working. At home at the same time, we're speaking Korean and that's the one that I wanted to immerse myself in because it's the language that my family uses. It's the one that brings me closest to my mother and father. But it was also the one they. Wanted to guard me from because they wanted me to learn English inks. What's the language of Survival Fausto language in which I might be able to do well outside of our family if I, attached myself to. English. What. So fascinating as you mentioned the passage of when I'm in Japan in by then I'm learning Japanese I. Know some Korean in. English. What happens as I realized that? Learning a language can. Open you. But it can also close you. It can teach you how to guard yourself against others like spy. Because I could be in a room which happened in Japan and there'd be people speaking in Crin and if I just spoke in Japanese, they wouldn't know that I was carrying. It the other way around if I'm somewhere. And there's many Americans. And I don't speak English. They would have no idea that I'm an American. It opened my eyes to. Language is so powerful, but it also has other aspect in the way I'm using it is is a way to isolate myself. When I came to poetry is interesting because before that was stance and I really thought dance at the time was a place I can. Speak. But it wasn't that for me either that's not to say other dancers don't have that I think many dancers have found in dance for them away to speak when I was dancing. I was so concerned almost grammatical way of correct dancing of how to look clean. Yeah. How? You know especially, if you're in a dance crew, you call it blocking. You know there's formations. It's a more formal version of dance. and. So I was attached myself to it that way but when I came to poetry. It wasn't like that I didn't need to be clean and I wasn't sort of supposed to block with everybody else. I think Cathy Park Hong talks about this and minor feelings and I. Really. Really to it, it's the idea of. Those who've inherited bad English I think sometimes I. I don't know the plural of a word, even foul porn and raised here. Just because I didn't use it as much and it didn't come as natural for me, but somehow poetry is okay if you have bad English. Poet as demand the sort of correctness and it doesn't demand sort of the rigidity did there's a it? It's the opposite right? It's it's there's a fluidity to it and there's a flexibility with with trying to say the thing that you felt impossible to say. And trying to liked the poem in like the magnanimity. Do things that I didn't think was possible for me to do. I think poetry really brought into magical element of was looking for. There's one palm that really seems to encapsulate. So many of the things that you've been talking about and it's the palm on page fourteen to my mother kneeling a cactus garden all of this. I think this was one of the first poems that. I wrote a new. York. When I left southern California took out in a grievous loan. Route to New York City and worked in Union. Square and just didn't sleep and more poems on the. Subway You know I wrote it just like this. It came out like this. You know there wasn't an editing in there wasn't a another version of it. So it seemed like this might have been in me for much longer than I thought. It's called. To my mother kneeling in a CACTUS Garden. For a month, I tried to think of what to say. How many times you've swept a kitchen knife across your neck line and said. This is how you end a marriage. How many more wicks you light for God. I could tell by Your eyes, you've never seen him. What would you call the feeling of abandoned and caution and relief that keeps me tethered to you. Let me be the husband you prayed for the sun you wanted or mother who held. Out, build your new patio swing. and. Ricardo Linens. Wash your hardened feet in warm water. New have become a prison of its own light. I'll grow Greens and the Parsley, you love. In, wrap them into cold sandwiches. I will place them where you can reach with ease. Thank you. I'm so interested to hear about your interaction and engagement with this poem and after reading the Memoir. Well the first thing that I notice is that all of the emotions in the palm. Seem to find their expression and gestures. How, many times you've swept a kitchen knife across your neck line and said, this is how you end marriage. it's such as star image. You know to sweep a kitchen knife across your neckline. It tells the whole story. You know that you don't have to tell anymore I thought that was remarkable. The same thing with the candles being? Lit at Church how many more wicks you light for God I could tell by Your eyes, you've never seen him. It's so powerful I. Think you know because we know this look somebody who really wants to believe, but you can tell. That it's a one way street you know they've been thinking about God and never heard God think about them. I mean it's so powerful a gut on me. You know just the way that you put that in in gestures. So tiny. And then when the poem. Takes. This turn towards love right like Let me be the husband you prayed for the sun you wanted or mother who held you. Then comes this whole list of of gestures I'll build your new patio swing and full gear coffee linens wash your hardened inform water like these are the gestures of a of a loving. Be Husband mother son in Oh. I'll grow Greens and the Parsley love and wrap them into cold sandwiches. I will place them where you can reach with ease. I mean. It gives me shivers just reading it again you know. I know it. To begin with. Kitchen knife. To. End with reaching for for sandwiches in east. It's quite a leap. Why walk that? Tight rope it feels like the looking over it again after. A few years and I guess that's what really. Drove me and sort of gone mad into. Rowing Way. So fatted missus. Yeah. I have one last question. I wanted to know what your relationship with your mother is like today. My mother is so extraordinary. I call her sometimes she's too busy to pick up the phone. Because she loves to sort of travel get up and go. She loves having fun. and. I don't know sometimes i. feel like apparently you know call me when you get in. Text me to tell me you're okay. If I call her she wants to hang up. So quickly it's three minutes shook okay. I gotta go like did you eat you know? Did you bring okay I think our relationship is wonderful and. It's been created from all of our experiences that we've shared, and so we're. In some way, we switch roles, we change roles them I. Also, feel like she's my friend she has this incredible. Youth to her and. So Fun and she's just a star she loves to sing she loves. Attention, she deserves that attention and she's very big. Her energy is enveloping and I. Always, try to make sure that we're connected in some way. Yeah, and also to add to the shredder flow of I know that I talk about Han quite a bit and. That means I'm I'm researching these stories and histories and interviewing people about trauma and reading about it. Some of my colleagues s like how can you do this all day you read these horrific things and incidents all day long off for years doesn't that ever? Get you down you know. And I think what? They don't realize sometimes. Well. When you interview people about Han and trauma what we're also talking about constantly is love. When you're talking about the most horrific things in history and the things this family did to get through. It were always talking about love that's where the conversation goes almost every time. And I. Think you know Chong is the closest translation for the word. Love. It's it's a bond and it's another national characteristic in one that. Really attached to because we have hand but through Honda's also Chong and the evidence of Han means there's also the presence of Chong you just can't have one without the other. And I think this adventure I've been on through the poetry book in the Morn just. It's always been between Han and Chong this balancing seeing holding. Being with it all even the most terrible things saying yes to that because that's saying, yes to live. Ej Coal is the author of the Poetry Collection Lesser Love which won the platies editor's prize for poetry and the memoir, the magical language of others. She also received the Virginia Faulkner Award and fellowships from the American Literary Translators Association the Jack Straw Writers, program Coon Demon, the macdowell colony, the Napa Valley Writers Conference. And the Vermont Studio. Center. EJ Co is researching English language and literature for her PhD at the University of Washington and she lives in. SEATTLE. Washington with her partner and dog. To, find out more check out her website. This is EJ CO DOT com. The music in this episode is by Todd seafoods. I'm Helen other groups, and this was poetry off the shelf. Thank you for listening.

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"Taylor. Worst. Siblings. What's good people welcome to Paul cost fifty of the swing pulled podcast a little bit of a different voice than the pulse few on as Louis Halpin. It'd been filled into kicking the show I am back often referred to as. Fled Solid Patrick. A few of. Working till. Split personal favorites. Yup Yup. Off at a few come on why off the ICO SURGERY BUT YEP I'm back now I'm ready to talk Bosco. It's a it's been restoring this. Running, down all of the guidance So it's not. You most certainly misled. A think the Thaw Section of Philadelphia seventy six is something we enjoyed that massively. Recall on the. Outside. The Hague Gabrielle Life I'm sure we'll have to off season discussion when these games right away. You can voice over the opinions you may have had the victim hold over these last couple of weeks because A. Lot of them. This has been an eventful playoff slot. non-existent and that's what I was saying simony upsets Saif the most paramount one obviously being must not. Accept is going clip definitely I think we'll start now I I've had the Other night our night y'all hey. I year on the opposing solder the. I mean I've seen it fighting about account radio walkie with it, but it is one of the biggest shocks and staples in NBA history terms apply and to what they've done I. Don't think they in I. Think he's more the greatest being so bad rather than the nuggets bid so good which I don't necessarily lock the touted. Up Saint Mixture of both the real. It wasn't just A. It was the manner in which they beat them because. In in the final few games when when I offering free. Game and they're all by double digits and then they blow it and then it's Melissa and not going to do. They're out double digits and they blow it and then the last thing. Okay. This is the one you've got COA Leonard Paul George. An incredible world style. They'll they'll go out they'll get go in them into this physically mentally tough tame is unbelievable unit and then I go up again and they lose again it's just it's baffling. I think we talked a little bit lost weight that we felt that the clippers is this heir of arrogance about them that I could just saw turn on. Whenever they. Wanted. A midnight just probably at some stage that will just turn on the no crucially to the Western Conference finals. But when it got to that game seven. When it starts points like you said when they were sixteen up and then the nuggets when making these runs, it looked like a bit of a deer in headlights situation line coli Rian, even the bad guy most Fan and I'll. I'll concede at the terrible terrible guy most not therapy of his standards. It looked like he was the only ones out of them like. He would have to go and I think this is what I saw in game seven from what I'll say in any way. Early on he was okay and then the show wasn't stunned to go and when the show wasn't GonNa full and you look to the advocate lot looks like. What we're GONNA now though I, it seems very. Way To side because like you said at great loss g like post the Golden State. Warriors. To six games in the first round about jobs foul some people consider him a superstar apply a dime fit you can go within that off the series of this Kyle's. And just couldn't do it and. Yeah, I think golf cours rarely here on completely collapsed in because that is the big story. Hey, we expected them to be at least in the Western Conference finals but the Denver Nuggets were live just window. This just isn't that window Yokich is twenty five, Murray's twenty free. So they probably expecting anything to compete in the next couple of years. The cliff is this with now because they've got one more year cogen Kuwa- before they cannot have a applied option next year and CY POCO Scien- It wasn't enough in this she's. Not Quite quite. Side because just not what it is I don't even think is that it's not just the it wasn't. Enough. Initiative. When all the Lakers on. Their roster. Obviously, you know they've done very well when they're in the conference finals and we think there was finals we call call nervous. I adore with this Denver team now but. You look at that Nike stay me thing. Okay. They've got soup sales, Anthony Davis Davidson. Lebron's but you can make vast improvements to the rest of the squad. And so you think. Looking at the potato well, attains bill some glaring issues especially, Yokich showed in all three games. They all the better built unit, and so the biggest advantage is probably going to be now I know have been able to Joe, which is one of the things we can get. By the Lakers are only GonNa get better and a false the right in the clippers. So this was the best time. Often. The clippers the Lakers sorry. But definitely get better continuity is well offended. You'd expect a Golden State Warriors to be out there next year. Will Be Utah thing will be all these things will be bad. This was one of the best opportunities to try. And they blew him gets the Western Conference finals and they'd have been conference finals was literally in fifty year history of. Brooklyn. Lawless this isn't much in from a man that was claiming caused the best player in the world and. We're GONNA win early. Can we say? Louis instead of Lewis said. GonNa. Live, not enough going Louis. You that to me I'll do. I turn. On jobs. That's that's the three we have an Australian Kenyans there. There's the best player I mean. The clippers and Koa landed in his cup and this is. From a three one. In Toronto so you can't completely get rid of it I I will say now. Stay now because. TORONTO WE`ve Is it was Kawais is this where we're GONNA go. No. No. That was a win. I do think. Underrated though. Still. Hawaii, the main guy behind him. I'm not here to defend ready this Tom does deserve criticism now because he was absolutely pathetic in their focus. The Tame just like what do we do now? He also lot what do we do now he didn't know what to do. I mean a graveyard to concede that coke not Chonkin but he did expire. or game seven but you know yeah, and then there was guys before I even that he wasn't that goods. The first couple games series he looked like non could stop him and I really. I, had loaded to fry him on Jeremy Granted Eysenck job. Just. Looked Crestfallen He didn't at that same type of leadership. He displayed lost year in Toronto now he's going to be a vocal later that's no it was more long lead by example type thing. To such. Effect. On the basis of the clippers of the you can there was room the room is but statements off the bus applies about the. Don't have chemistry and don't give a sign of together on this and. When you look around that some of the other, the franchise now Lebron bead he's very vocal very passionate. Even, Yanni see concise seis even though he's not really in the same volume of Brandon things that you look at Jimmy Butler the head of the Miami. The South on a three four Econo- kind of look in the guy that west gets go into Marcus Law. He's the one that sort of schoener. And Yeah. Kawais is not by a toll. Is. Different. I kinda you mean in terms of the team management from looking from the outside it does seem like the Lakers are more of a cohesive unit and a bit more friendly not just on the cold out side of the co-. The one thing I will say as well that we haven't touched on much. Is. Whilst I I do a large part of the players because ultimately is them playing full what transpired in those folk coaches and they're not looking at that of naloxone. You also have to think about the coaching as well, and then obviously I don't WanNa. High on Doc rivers so much because always he's he's won a championship he's. He has proven himself. Previously. Baugh. Of. No making all animation games and Congress onnell's also has a few of them. So so yet you do have to at least have the discussion about I. Mean Doc rivers is now blind free one the free times I believe and there's only been Hammy fifteen photina does in NBA history. Awful he was slugged in a lot of. Just, quite simple off think alterations to the way I mean mantras heroin Lou Williams just terrible. This series lot. Yeah. They would another they can get going offensively. They want at any point in this series lot. They just didn't have it. On mantras that twenty dollars game pulse in the loss game where where they were working together really well, where it just defensively that just it collide with air and then it just left to never came back so. They won't produce enough to make up for what they were doing on the defensive end is. that. Often I do like a playmaker like we said Oh. As because, in the they know what the other I think that has been when I look to what was happening the fourth goal was. Obviously well coy you know hit lot game show against e- Shit. He's I don't know if he's the type of Playoffville. Where you someone lie I'll tell Locker Chris poll towards the end of a game where you hate he can be on your. Show back on a thing I don't think he's that type of player. Don't they still you can't be an are gonna Joe Jokes assault here by choking button on the not you can't be one of the guys in the NBA and not be trusted with your hands in the fourth quarter tonight place in game seven. You. Originally. What he's. Done, I think he's more like he can't get the other guys got any I can make. It. I think it's about. A Deny I think if I would have any. Of them in this game seven anonymous, horrifically inefficient often Kishan the mall he showed twenty two I. Think he should've autry thirty, five initial offer nine in game seven and. He wasn't aggressive enough. Definitely. I mean and when you look at him and you got the game seven Jeff, green next to Paul George, you can't do anything. You have to just concede this is going to have to be you not on sneaking suspicion, and this is probably because told you I think he's injured and he's plans for. Rubbish is only said this the last two years running eight don't have Indian he just doesn't with go as we will talk about a lot Russell Westbrook who can't shoot it gets a little bit difficult for him. I can see what I called impact the. Cubs Games game sevens will ever pull Jones can get shot whenever he wants the perfect bill to the NBA player. He can show he's big Rhonda. Not. These are the guys impact games lot. The wings are the ones that we see in this in this game that eventually win the championship he just doesn't have the mentality for. Yams I mean you at least have to stock question. My. Question. He's turpin terrible in a limo free and seven in close out games. I lost five years that is inexcusable at that point, you just have to be A. Reason the rock gone for that, and I should probably taken to that camp when they tried to sixteen years of draft picks were in Austria. Do you think. You think then Maybe. Put Water Maybe I. Think this is the case is how much made an impact you think will look in Denver and I was just looking at the climate. Type is almost then the the Lakers and didn't think over's. Eric. Definite. With of Hourigan Yeah I don't. I'm saying how true how much say Or? Cliche sign that was on every single who? On any single secondary school. College of the Tyler filed. Hardwood. Out of. A sensory if we're GONNA come through and that's what. Happened date. Wrong. In Africa but I'm. Not GonNa say you're completely wrong but I will say I, think. Is under selling Yokich is talent for that because I think if anything proved us in this series that is. Set for I atop top ten Byron this lake. Well. So this is what I was. GonNa say. We just quickly finish the was we'll. We'll flip it the other way. Because I know. Jodi your reservations about now I want to singular you're out here, but you've your reservations about stem. Drawing the Uson Yokich is biggest. Even. You know we we were talking about. Things when we did the top twenty players in the league this year and I remember I'd Yokich a bit hard to trumpet but we'll get into the elevator I'll go wrong. To this. You to an assault on him especially you so has your opinion changed since this series I mean. Not Change that's the thing. I am more in price tag which Amal Maurice Nikola. Yokich if I'm being completed. roic of MJ standard of numbers in against against the jazz and Knicks game seven as well On. Yokich. Cry and Yankees is probably going to be dangerous the best pilot a code for that guy, the joe-marie we just he just was on fire Ya shot one abry wanted it was lights out in rib and. I'm not at Super. Society because like I had the nuggets to beat the jazz. Was He was going to go to the clippers today's. Wanted. I can just see happening to get fully can. Now you call is kind of outlets to say evolve you think he's not going to happen again scholley. No. winning. If the lights on type, let's say. They can be in trouble. And I don't think Lebron that kind of guy he's been initially. There it's my anybody. And learn his Tom's against Dallas and everything like that. But if I don't realistically without mind if the they. The if I were gonNA play the clip. Leeward they. Going to be in trouble. I mean it's interesting because obviously we had one of the protocols. Often. The jazz series. I'm pretty confident. The compensation was said about you know. Jamal. Murray. Has emerged you know has emerged and if he could keep this level plop Cliff a series is gone, and especially in that game seven, he showed they can. I mean he was he was he wasn't as consistently high as the jazz guy but I always kind of expected that because those are unsustainable numbers and also voting. It was occupied this our Yokich kitchen definitely the best player in this series giving us out. It was easy. If he catch to get his offense guy because he was up against how do batch is especially not about the series given that Jomo Mary had lot. It the difficulties for him to get to the RIM jo-john him. It was a lot harder for him. So that might find things a little bit more Law If if he gets lot given I, don't see them losing. That's the thing when it like Yokich kitchen get garden every night we know that birthday mom Margaret in this very, very difficult, Speight. Gallagher Joe I would pick the Lakers don't get me wrong. But. Would been wrong before on this team of. take them lightly. And they're only going to years to come they will do. Yeah, come back to Yokich because in the game seven Ya Drama Mary was the one at the folks points in Yokich. Six eight I think he was a five thirteen or something but. The way he dominated that game outside of points was just unbelievable. Just, policy and vision. Every time you go double, the way that Denver offense works around him. It was it was just an unbelievable impacts and so anyone the. Thousand like the. So of White, Denver plays all the slow just watch that game and you will appreciate how good of a play Oh kitches I mean. I'm expecting to see though a bit of a difference because. mantras Harrow has absolutely no on. So for planning. On Tony. Davis most definitely does so. Without Davis be playing SYNNEX series is that that's the question if history valve mcgeown ask with this, this is. The, there's no chance to front boggles going to be watching nation guide what how it's going to be mocking maker. But free and the guy. I mean, the point is anyway that they've got peak bodies to throw it in which the clippers didn't know. That's the main difference. I mean, they don't have anyone to guide your memory they just don't. Yeah sure. Sure again that done the Denver Nuggets even out of the game to Davis in the Brown James and thus while them to provide eventually. But it will certainly be interested in you certainly county out even if the free one down up, that'd be must dangerous position to be in Keep it closer burn more on the subject now will lock in and I'm going to catch you to golly looking predictions all early I mean it for like six conservative. Did as well conservative like. For most of the playoffs unfortunately. I'm still do like as insects I think in very good enough a couple of games. Due to. My heart tells me like in six but both you picked it. So I'm just concerned. Five outside. I'll do in seven. Denver in full with the A. Could be could be like a situation. Very floors. One hundred one right now. So if anyone. Listening. We're going to try and get this out on the network. We're on the air on Wednesday the they die off to that guy. If you off the Denver. Florida he got a hundred on. bonding that's enough on the on the. Game. Seven. Let's talk about guy wanted if the NBA founders, the Eastern Conference Miami Heat. The Boston Celtics. Of. There's a couple of came on in this kind of talk about obviously Jimmy. This clutch three playoff Jimmy G. as a guest getting three point. That's remains who Has Been described by Magic Johnson as the best defensive player. He's ever seen in the end. The I'd Lyles of bomb out of oil blocking with the. Wrist Guard all the way back to Kinda it was kind of like a double jointed action. Jason I at the rim. is still tonight wondering walnut onto. What you'll feel. There's Yeah I mean it was unbelievable block news unbelievable game. I will say before because the last poll calls me and. Has Been there's been a few guns full game on. And we we had a conversation, the rap to Celtics game and I said Celtics wrapped up in six. Lewis said Celtics. Seven was right. So I'll go hand him that. Of the needed now. On. Our budget as well was. Right at the end of the game, the coal. MARCUS SMART To get. Together that you you know when he got, he got the well the hey, plan advice shoved into him and he got the free and they kept possession at the end of the game before oversaw smells A. Joke. For his the Larry in the him spiderman point that each they just love it that. It wasn't call our disagree but. In checks to the NBA front office lock saw. People can on both within the hell mark small more for day also savvy. You Call High Marcus Mall because Bob Technically, it's an art now is. The plus minus he's on the flops that he's might be fly. Sales. Was Law series at the a when they've gone for the false bride could just not want him to talking about. But as Marcus smart stuff I mean he was he was unbelievable and the guy early on. was. In what open unlike camera who had? During a over time, it was a little bit better but in the. Regular time that game. Game. been happening for Campbell was happening in the raptor series, a boxing and Ken Burns down. I mean I wasn't. Struggles of each job. With Kim Don these. Over. Off when Nick nurse box in one on him and? With a so obviously, they've got God they've pretty much got four guys that can get their own show their respects Marcus Malt may be no. But if you if you look to the way the the mind his on defense until three and they went to that books someone in Kemba. What was he from that? He wanted ten from free point one. Free. Point wage. Enough in an NBA in an NBA. Right. He'll live games in this series where he'll. He'll be fun. Now. Be The same story on. Expecting. Now, Brad Stevens because this is kind of two unbelievably good fried statements with Mike Smith judgment. The. But what we'll say is the. Game in that mode especially from Kemba if you'll gone off nineteen and then you'll counter Popcorn Raji his hitting twenty one completely run into sharper Miami. You should be trying to get so far up and signed in in game tall is lost. You didn't have a good guy says, well, said simplisafe identical game but I think games he's going to need to happen is going to eat up. Prove yeah, and that's the one thing. The bamboo was unbelievable. Jimmy was Koch. The one thing I always take whenever I watch the he is there such a well drilled Younis in sight. And its credit to the full of the. Group. They put ever been out there for each other and play their hearts out. And how well coached team they are is incredible. I mean to stand out some Elvis Ego playoff Jimmy and Bam from that from that night and not block. But I mean I was always saying is before handing times of Jae crowder has yet. Jack Crowder, believable Miami in this in these playoffs and also shot hit follow hero. Esteban. For is An assist the wife been the second youngest player to have a triple double behind Magic Johnson is something along those lines, but he's absolutely fearless Donkin. Robinson got an early foul trouble and that's the problem with Duncan Robinson as as is that he tends to Elvis foul when he doesn't need to. So he he was almost three or four fouls in when there was seven minutes left in the second goal to take overseas a big part of the rotation. Anyway. But he called on a lot more than he normally would for this Gyn. And play do Your take on bombs and Ukrainian soil hair not exactly lifelock swap but you know both absolute drains from free point? Range. And he just slide in fitted and just everything what well that mindset. I mean. I don't know if he did you predictions for this guy in the law spoke cost or anything. I don't know if we did. At. Will the schools would be? Several Sakes Lewis said he was leaning towards the Hey man leaning towards the Celtics Avery Wyatt. and. I think I personally. Before they series I personally also weeks and six because I feel auto amount fallen foul. Seven. Puzzling I just this. So we'll the hey I just can't see anyone game pulse them. Ns is a seven game series. Yeah. I think with the XFL I power lot you mentioned is more concentrated lot ns dolls whereas the Miami Heat it's more spread out, but a Lotta Times. Did Denver in the clippers it comes becomes down his the best pie in the series. He's the best pilot and I couldn't really decide whether off that was Jimmy Butler, all Jason's full the series, stall it anyway But loss not. You'd site hands down Jimmy Butler because like you said, he had that clutch free us very, very good that could steals and Jason Titan missed his final seven shows and that's across regulation and. A Sharon. Youth little bit perhaps showing you not but the Miami Heat Very Good Defensive Tame complimenting much already blaming notch on the Dunga because usually that goes in the Lai says just incredible fence. By. Some people were saying they should applied for the contact but I think it's more just You. Just appreciate the defensive by. Credible if you're gonNA. Go. You'RE GONNA. Go Guy won an NBA finals for that. The Best Defensive Player in the NBA Finals may be on. Yeah, you can't really have A. Also. Heading, say fat families with confidence. Jason Tight. With seconds left in game one of its on the confidence tronc Obama to Bob in a postal. So. Foolish over that's not a different question. Moving from Nano. You see wanted to kind of wrap things you mentioned. About the rocket series that you ospel gossip actually wanted to to talk about. Yeah I definitely did because. A. Main I'll be reconciled. I'm not sure if James Never be the best player on the championship team I'm sure he can be I. Don't think he will be maybe I should put it like that it just because I really trust him wasn't. Like bads SPAs by some Stanzi SIP before in this series, they had that one Guy Murray went below twenty percent. He's at loved those guys. Now it's no good look. But. I'm not sure particularly when team guys from here because. I. Don't know how they change it out because Russell Westbrook. And what we've seen I think for this playoffs is that if one of your best pie is conscious, you're at such an extreme discipline that's very simple of me to say very basic but it's tricky. Just look with the sixers he can't shoot they get swept pass. Culture. Yeah, baby was a nest I'll leave A. Pascal Sakho. Hey Kontchou or create his own show from the Primo that's that almost get to the to the corporate songs but they done and that's because. He customer does not be harshest I bought he actually did. We ever ever in the West Sides Russell Westbrook. Okay. I. Said loss can still stand by. I. Don think he's fully hundred percent healthy. He came back lightens the Navarre's as well before you even kind. so you have to take that into account. But. They're just leaving him wide open and he's by the amount of about taking the show on these not athletic enough to finish. He will never win an NBA championship doesn't easy statement for me to say not many people in an NBA championship, but he's just he's just not suited to it. and it's a shame. But that's how is in my personal here. Yeah I mean I think if I had to single anyone else office the Games before the. Eastern Conference finals and of finals match ups were silly solidified. It would be Pascal Calcium. One Russell? Westbrook. I Pascal. CEAC home was was purely because, hey radio. Series. Absolute. stinkers. Yes. On the other engine Ross. A by the video voice than. That guy at least. He wasn't even good in the game that he got. Yeah. I tend to agree as well. It's going, which is why you know. Come on westbound so but I do get what you mean by. Those fourth quarters where you need someone to with the bull in the hands to. Might make the decisions but be able to. Say, create their own show and and bowel about you out at times and it just looked at. When when you will, you'll say stop by as you said, all the. Colin do that it's just a massive detriment. Siachen was even weird because. Share and I know it might expressions on him because he was second to claw and nineteen. He was incredibly aggressive going towards. The rhythm and it looked like he could care bucket most of the time it just wasn't there in in the series against the. Celtics. Cuts knee alm the whole. Thing one I wouldn't say in Austin excuse to decrease. Say if I'm looking at the rocks in the stall to Playa was up Siachen many wild says called lower. Is Leading. Score season. Everyone. Would make that jump this year and he he was doing it. He didn't think he my jump and my you didn't pay what he was doing it in the regular season. Yet, the pile. St- it just disappeared. I. Think that and then. This is an argument of Satan an Lebron's heavy voiced on this. Anyway the is potentially for some of these guys if when you look at Canada in the arena, that ban and the crowd behind him potentially he's one of those players that needs conduct that push fame to be able. To. And I don't know what Jamal Maurice touched on this as well. We've kind of no. Sorry, not Jamal Mari. The He plies token about Duncan. Robinson things in an interview afterwards for is like a shoe is paradise in this GM, because of a normally if if you miss a shell the crowd on you immediately for it and then you can have him every this people white next you on the Cote whereas you missed. The bubble this kind of. Ten people coffee go ride your run does breath Adenuga. It's about in there their a mini file. Stadium there isn't that much there isn't anything day apart from your couch. I agree. But the same time you've got to get it done I would say that the team the has the biggest home advantage is probably Denver. And the call out what happened. down. Excuse. Yeah I think it could be a factor but then Excuse yes. I remember when we was talking about the Jiffy before the plastic install Melissa how MBA Denver disadvantage because oversee contains that we're having today arena miss suffering from that altitude perhaps actually this was an advantage for them on the basis of the old time of implying out there and training. A MAY GO To combat fitness level. But saw the now to the bubble never has reminded reminding that I was shot off three minutes in guns them also younger. They're also young a lot younger than the clippers. Tighten. You'll tell me. Joe Players on the clippers. It cost long good the. chargers. Young. Kids for God's sake what. In the regular season. Did they. Didn't. Be. I. It. into the mall coupon clippers you you can't tell me the those clippers players called play as long as. It's known ex southern. What's come out? That's all I'm saying from. Excuses and I'm not accepting them personally. I. WanNa say it up. That's just. That's fun I Trust Joe George injuries goes before because he's Outta about sixteen times now. Just I agree I think is a factor. It definitely is a factor was on edge like but at the end of the day I'm not GonNa Banken that makes sense and not going to be all the tour route to the comfort that that make sense. Wins. I just think that to that Pasco Siachen is number one. In terms of this discussion between the rockets and the raptors of someone that's let you down but couldn't do it basically one as well as twenty-six. Russell, Westbrook is a Max contract via. Ten points lost gaming guys up. I agree with you in the rest of Ross has to be number one pro. I expected it anyway, I'm not? GonNa. To be as bad as it was. Yeah. He was terrible I. Guess that's a good point. Maybe my expectations come into it because I did pick the reps is to get out of the. Terrible tision but Samedi that plays into it for me as well. Point this and their their you know a Marcus smart block away from being in the eastern finals right now the rat to that is you know that's another Clinton defensive player which you haven't mentioned before they will not far from making the conference finals Is Not far about the round tonight. With this Siaka with Zach performances while I guess like we're so close with maybe could have put the ball and. But you know it's happened now. Yeah. At the end of the day as well. Masai will be looking at that is small. You think lake he'll realize like coughing wheel realized that Pascal Yacob's moment to be number one player. And you can get don't get me wrong but like I said the shoe in. Such a massive factor for guy if you want to be the best pie on the championship team, Emini doesn't have it That's outside about that. Something to have state known seat. it's not just possible in any school is a lot of a lot of people that are quite reactionary to this by did say floating around FBI twitter today, we've pandemic pity playoff pay will stop the nypd one year left on that. Call Them. You the clip is obviously not collide will move to try and change say with Paul George John for. Being in might be. Decent. Choice. I'd have to say what sold package. The contracts and all that but I mean if if they offered another Washington Wizards when accept this but if they offered me Bradley beal over Paul George, I'm not be on might be thinking about that I'm not gonNA law. As she said done, contracts would work count by Max I like. Maybe maybe explore would say as well. We haven't mentioned judgment quickly the Damon Sage I've. Had A few style on twitter about the. Series and if anyone wants. Entertainment but a great. Great. brought. Your Patrick Beverley is. Claiming that yet the next five years steph curry I think he kind of. Choice for we I'll think. Science. But the thing is with Pat Bay. A slight converted on brand is exactly what he's meant to date. He's meant to be the annoyance and no one likes him. So I could understand that Marcus Morris effing over out. This policy is actually Kinda disgusted me little bit. Just stuff he's doing the don't shit. Walk. You know he's trying to be the influenza again it I just thought really lock it. And the stuff that I signed about your kitchen about inflating. Is just. That become one of the most leaks likable teens in the NBA, which is Kinda strange for team with Komo on it. It was probably one of the most. High approve writings lost. Very halted. Just because he's just dead padded every finish just kinda funny. But they've comme switch that perspective. And like you said, defendant got one year left on that contract that building a big arena in Los Angeles very quickly I don't think be Koala wanted the reason he didn't stay on those not necessarily for the clippers they wanted to go back like. Done. Essentially. PULL judges different scenario but a Guatemalan. Not, Debbie Reese on in. Long Beach next year is going to be the difference in our but. Here's a question for you though before we finish A, was it mistake from today trump. Kid. Wasn't mistake. That was a mistake. amounts. I think that they'd be in the form of Choline with them. Obviously, we've got the Ut of hindsight because when we sold state wrote a stay. At least Western conference fallen on. Coffee Bait bottom for the finals Majoria people provide them for the Finals Championship. New. Because It was. It was ashamed to say as well for. This jolly rancher branded balance A. Warm Review in a game seven where he didn't even show the point in. Waiting for the MVP. Is going to be I don't know when they're going to do. So because if I didn't hear the NBA Finals and the wins at Vaughn was MVP is going to be a bit of a weird one saw. Ball not what will end up fifty politicos is owned by Berry both. I'll social earned inscribed on facebook posts and check our website. Swing man pulled calm I'm going to leave it there. So we'll catch you in the next port cost and pace.

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Mark Teixeira Round

The Golf Podcast

51:55 min | 2 years ago

Mark Teixeira Round

"Great news. There's a quick way you can save money, switch to Geico Geico could help you get great coverage at a great price, and it only takes fifteen minutes to see if you could save fifteen percent or more on car insurance go to Geico dot com today and see how much you could save. Now on the t. it's Mattie in the caddy, here's Matt berry and Michael college time for your day box. This function alongside the caddy, but goes Colleen. But goes Colleen. Listen to try downloading Matty in the candidate podcast up on social media at Madyan catty MIT TDY the word and c. a. d. i. e. that is both Instagram and Twitter. Our guest today Marc Tisch era. One of the great hitters in baseball over the last decade or so, an all star, a world champion, a colleague of ours here ESPN excited to golf Mark to Shera avid golfer, good handicap. Great stories coming from tax and just a minute. Plus Tiger Woods, and Phil Mickelson have made a decision on patrons for their event will get into that. But caddy I want to start here. I, I was doing radio this week last actually last week. Now I hear ESPN and we got into a conversation about somehow Tiger Woods and his impact on the sport. But I was hosting co host in in the people that I was hosting with new that with me, it's college football, golf, the anything else. Those are my two. Passions, and they made a point that I wanted to argue. And then I started arguing it and I agreed with them. They made the claim. My co-host Clinton Yates now Dunkin was doing radio with. They said that you will never meet anyone who is a fan of watching golf or the sport of golf that doesn't play goal. Not true. See, I thought so too bad. It's not true at all. Actually my uncles. Next door neighbor does not play. A lick of golf doesn't have doesn't even have a golf ball. None loves watching it on television. Absolutely, and follows it feverishly. And now here's another example. Hello fan Bill. Hello draft kings. Think about all the people that follow golf, that gamble on golf never picked up a club life. Okay. See, that's what I started. So within a couple of people hit me up and Twitter's now I'm with you. I'm a golf fan. I don't play, but I would say that I wanted to disagree with him at argue so bad. They just because I like to do that, but I couldn't because they were right in that I would say, and I don't have any statistical basis by this opinion. So I'm just gonna throw it out there hap hazard -ly I'd say ninety percent of people who were into the sport, play the sport, and it's the only one of the pro sports that you can. I mean, you can play pickup hoops in YMCA, but for the most part, Michael people who love golf and who follow the sport. I would say the overwhelming number plays the sports. Yes, but that's a ridiculous argument. You know why. Because how many fifty year old men are going to go a call Tenny oh friends. And I'm gonna call ten of my friends and we're going to go play, tackle football, get your right or hey, Goget eighty your friends. And I'm gonna get eight of my friends and we're going to go play fastpitch baseball. So it's a ridiculous argument because Gulf is the only sport where you can actually do that other than maybe tennis, but even tennis isn't one of the four major sports so, but there in lies the problem with the sport. And I think we stumbled onto something with the popularity of Gulf in that you to set it fifty year old. Do during gonna go play pickup football, right? But they're going to, they're going to go to the country club and play golf, but that's the thing I think golf has put itself into a corner of why because you play. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I would. If you play you watch, but that number isn't big. That's the point is that doesn't. That doesn't mean it's not hold on just just because you play or don't play, doesn't determine whether or not you do or don't watch. That's the thing. Maybe if you play golf, you watch a lot more than what you would. But think about this thing about the difference between the numbers of people that watched the PGA championship when tiger was in contention compared to the people that watch the Siyam IB this past week, I just walked into when I was going to say, and you walked into it and I think the patriots listening. They're gonna understand. This tiger is the transcendent figure is everything but Gulf except for the masters. Okay. Except for the numbers aren't good when Tigers not in it or competing. Just not. Masters are good. They are amazing when Tigers in it. And content. And that's the problem with the sport with the eyeballs that you get your hard core audience, which I believe in the majority of the hard quasi plays the sport, but you're not getting you're just not getting the casual fan of Tigers not around you just now let me ask you this. Then what do you think the World Series numbers would be like if it was Kansas City against Saint Louis big? No, it's the world compared to the Yankees against the dodgers. Give me a comparison. I thought that was to say, this will watch the world. What you're saying is like it was awesome that the Houston Astros won the World Series, but how many, how many people outside of Texas we're like, yeah, man, Houston, Astros yo turn the TV on. They played the dodgers which is the second largest largest media market in the country. So, but what I'm saying is if they weren't playing the dodgers let's say I'll even though my own team if they were playing the Phillies and this Astros Phillies in the World Series, how what are those number. Look Tennessee will turn them on again, it's it's the World Series. People are gonna watch. I don't. The Diamondbacks haven't been relevant in baseball since two thousand one or two thousand and two. Okay. But when I still watch the World Series, but what I'm comparing that to though is the World Series dodgers Yankees versus the World Series Astros Phillies or Astros Mets, where lamb and give me an all-time great pairing in the Yankees and dodgers. Well, okay, so Yankees and anyway. So if the Yankees and the dodgers are that sports Tiger Woods, then in NFC will be Packer. Let's say we get a Super Bowl Packers and New England, Patriots again, all time matchup and. That's what I'm seeing wants to Super Bowl when it's anything that's the Super Bowl. Yes. This the Super Bowl is that's another worldwide thing. People who don't follow football will watch the Super Bowl, but people who don't follow golf, watch the masters. I disagree. I think they, I, I don't think again, I'm on your side. I want this argument to be wrong with the more than I thought about it. I started thinking, you know what? Like, I don't have any buddies. I get buddies of mine that actually there's one I can think a one here ESPN that I work with his producer on our show that watches golf, but doesn't play. It's always it's always one and few and far between it's not. It's not all of these is a mass audience, like other people you deal with in different sports. I don't know if I could get to my second foot, but I could probably count all my fingers and at least one set of toes of people who don't play golf, but watch golf, I think so. But I also think that number's growing just a little bit as well. I think I think actually the controversy of the Ryder Cup helped a little bit because it gave you know what the problem for our sport is the problem for our sport isn't what you were saying is that it's limited to the people that play it and they're the core audience. The problem with the sport on our end in America is the PGA tour only want sunshine and rainbows out there. What do you mean China rainbow? So it's, you never hear. Other than because of the tiger Wood's video. And 'cause it was Tiger Woods with DUI and the dash Cam, like when was the last time you heard of another golfer getting DUI a you want, you're saying you're saying the problem they have is they, they're there to, oh, country image, conscious that they don't put out there fines. They don't put out there suspended, you wanna villain. Not necessarily a a villain, but a a real human being makes real human being mistakes. I would say the last one is John Daly, right? And John Daly to this day is still one of the biggest draws out on the PGA tour stacking, John Daly. We got this podcast with, you know, man, daily interview was fantastic. Oh, you're right. So much fun. Like if they had some that dog put his booty in my face and crop dusted your nose. We gotta find that the loss podcast, but but you you make a valid point because if you look at that, I think daily was one of those guys in even tiger. Remember tiger pre fire hydrant. It was pristine image, family man, greatest player to ever pick up a golf club. Then there was the rubber necking with Tigers personal life in face to then there was the comeback phase three, and then there's now tiger face four, but I would argue he's different from John. Daily daily showed up out of a boss with a mullet in a cigarette in his mouth. Every time he played at a can of beer. Right? And that's why I think and was was completely honest to a fault about having human fault, so we don't have that anymore. Well, now of course not, but that was, I think, tiger went through the tiger the intimidator greatest of all time. Can't even talk to can't touch him. The never going to see him standing after a round, signing autographs smiling, laughing, having a good time to this guy. Now who's dad kind of a father figure on well, not father. I'll say uncle figure, two guys like Jordan, and just the figures got two kids. Ricky, yeah, they're not their age. They couldn't commands how ODI field in the entire bra. The hair KOMO man, it's time you d, do you think my cats him? Let me tell you some if I would've caught him if he would have not off long enough at the Ryder Cup, I would ran up there with the clippers and just. Fired him off gone. You know, what is Bella sleep? Like? He's got to let that go, yes, here's what we need to do is anytime he puts product in gets even thinner product. You're putting Meuse onto hairs. Do people stay as moose think so now. Is it gel is some them with an impeccable head of hair. I don't use mousse or gel you use. There is no way that you get the front of your head to stand like that by itself. Like I did not stop by and say, I didn't use stuff. I don't use mousse or gel. Well, what is it? It's paste. Like to place what he put a comb, gaining your head, oh, hair, paste, use hair, paste. It's real cream that's bureau cream magnet, what grandfather he's with that it is in home. I mean, you gotta use juice, some soul glow into good. It's a good pace that you like, you know, you rubbing your hands and he's just paste it up. It only takes a couple of seconds. You wave it in there and boom done. That was the whole sleepy look. You didn't have to do you just wake up, put the stuff in bad head. Yeah. Do that on purpose? That was like a jail. That's when I mean back in the day, that was it was gel that used to do that. Here's what we need to do. I think we can solve golf's problem with overall popularity outside of dangling argument Clinton Yates his my homey to like, come on dude. You can't let them win that argument. Now I'd try it and then I was like, you know what? You're right. I think we should never say that. I know actually, I, I'll admit disappointed in the one you're not gonna call me. Like, I, I, I know I do radio, sir, scared. I'm trying to think over you. Hang up. What were you doing on Friday? I don't remember what you would who knows with you was in LA. See, there you go. I think you were busy. So here's what I think we could do to solve golf's popularity problem outside of Tiger Woods overall, mass-appeal we need to go find a kid that was like a world class high school player, okay. That decided to go to college and eat pizza and drink, and just be drunk. We need to find a way to get him on tour. So we can have a couple of tire fires on tour that everybody can relate to. I gotta get beef to start working out. That's what it is. We Andrew beef Johnson, and then my boy abbey barn rat get home, but we need. But we need that are just go drinking with them. Yeah, too. Bad nights how their end up end up on like TMZ. That's what we need. We need like three or four golfers the end up on TMZ. What are the rules about drinking during a PG round? It's not allowed why they find if they get caught smoking on TV nowadays, really. So they couldn't show up like we couldn't have the cameras. Now you want out one of those little sifters, what it called snifters sifters, but him little things called, you know, guys will pull out that saw the time in the flash. Yeah, flask, give me one of them things without that little tells you. I don't drink. Uh-huh. Scrape would know bourbon. A flat wasn't flask. Yeah, I wouldn't know bourbon into flash thing. I don't wear suits, so I don't have a pocket like inside you don't wear. Now that if unless I'm going to court, hypothetically speaking, say jacket on high speed, yes. Say you were taking meetings while you were in LA, like what you should dress professional for those? No shorts. On what? Yeah, man, I went with, you know what? I did my shout out to Steph curry ahead on outfit mullet which was because that's me. It was a dressy shirt. Actually. You know what? Mizzen and main, hey, I love business name isn't Mickelson cert-. No share those dress shirts are awesome Iraq. The Phil shirt with Arnold Palmer, tie pink one with the white thing, but then I had the William Murray jacket on and short shorts, Brad, William Maury shirt, William Murray shorts. What did these people that may or may not rocking or might have been Linke's? I think I have my Nikes on. I'd so who who? How did these people that you. May or may not have met with how did they take to the outfit. Awesome. Thought it was great. 'cause you know what? I'm never gonna. I'm the last thing you wanna do is present something to people that you're not not authentic. Yeah, you don't want people to go. Well, we want that guy if that's not you if that's not who you are like. You know what I mean? You're not gonna show up. I'm not saying like, I'm not saying it's like a first date where you would be on your best behavior like you won't even burp in front of nobody, you know. But you also don't want to be. I'm not going to bust out an outfit that I only have one outfit of. Right. 'cause you're not gonna wear that same outfit to work every day at doesn't make any sense, but are wear what you normally would wear. But you would think meetings, interviews, etc. Are like first dates were buying large, it's one big show and kind of a lie, not, but see then does that ever work out? No, it does it. It works out and that's what I mean. Like. If you're going to sit and talk to somebody about doing some things and you know that it's better to go, hey, look, here's who I am. And this why? I like you. You like me. This is good. This is who I'm going to be. So it's like I don't want a year or two years to be like, well, we weren't expecting. What do you mean you weren't expecting? So is that how you were on your first date with MRs catty. Like here's who I am. Yeah, big time. Really? Yes. She on our first date. She was like, I really know you got some other chicks on the side and I was like, what are you not trying to play with? Come on what she means a, you know, she said, so this is Kenny goes when we first started dating, her rule was you can do whatever you wanna do outside of three and a half hours of driving radius. Really. So anything that has she was like the three and a half hours. That's my porch. I'm the big dog. This is my porch with three hundred hundred driving or flying outside. Well, see, I was like driving, right because I was like three and a half hours. Flying that Knox. A lot of ballpark. Right. That's still. Yeah, I don't think I could get to Aruba in back in time. I'll like I'm not trying. I'm not trying to go up to Idaho day. I'll think Miss America ever came from there. Dado girls up their own nothing healthy that say, go there, get some food food. So that's an I laughed when she first said it was like, yeah. Okay. Like that's your way you think you're gonna win by doing something like that. Still trying to play it off worried about no girls on the side. So what's the rule now that rules gone. I'm assuming now six hours in air now. Transatlantic flight. And if you're that desperate to go out, then you know what have throw you if you're willing to place six and a half hours for that goal. Yawn I'll probably there's nothing. There's nothing sixty two half hours way. Like, you know, if you're willing to do that, go do what you gotta do. We must be some that I can't get into the house. What let's I'm too old and tired too old and too tired. Let's let's do tired. Yeah. I like sleeping on planes. Let's save this. This base on balls with our colleague, Mark share. Share. I'm a robot vacuum cleaners. So yeah, I got one gig. I suck up dirt support. My inferiority complex about Geico who does so much more like not only could they save their customers money on car insurance, but they got fast and friendly claim service to and award winning mobile plus access to licensed agents. Twenty four, seven, who am I kidding? I can't even do corners. Uh-huh. Choking hazard. Geico expect great savings in whole lot more as promised. Three-time all-star, a world champion, five time, gold glove winner an avid golfer Mark to share a join us now and Madina caddy techs. First question, we always ask anybody who got into the game of golf, but did not do it for their vocation. When did you and how did you get the Gulf bug? So I started playing golf when I was thirteen. My dad was not a golfer growing up. He was kind of a baseball player, but every now and then he, he dust off an old set of clubs, and we'd go to the the municipal course in crowns Ville, Maryland. I grew up in sorta park, Maryland. So we'd go to Eisenhower golf club on like a late Sunday afternoon and pay like fifteen bucks each and play as many holes we could before it got dark and I loved it from the very beginning. First time I saw the club, I enjoyed it and you know, have been have been trying to play ever since. So you started when you were thirteen years old but that, okay, I'm not going to give your age away. I'm not going to give not age away, but back then golf wasn't quite as cool as it is now. Who was it when you got into major league baseball that got you to continue playing golf? I really didn't start playing golf seriously until I started playing with the Texas Rangers in two thousand three because I finally had money to to get good clubs and play it nice courses that works right. I went to Georgia Tech, which obviously has a great Gulf pedigree. A lot of my good buddies played professional are are still playing professional golf, Matt Kuchar, Bryce Molder Choi, Madison, Matt Weibring lot of guys that played on the PGA tour and web dot com tour and what have you. So in college, they would take me out and I would. I got my first taste of nice courses at like Eastlake and Atlanta fled at club and golf club in Georgia and those kind of places. So I had this kind of bright idea. You know, when I have some money in my pocket, I'm gonna join a nice course in and actually start playing golf. So it really, I really started playing golf consistently probably about two thousand three, which was my rookie year with in the big leagues. Who is the best in your crew by growing up when you were a Georgia Tech man? You know what? Every Bryce Molder and Matt Kuchar were like, you know, one in one a right, and there was always this debate who was going to be better. I think everyone talk. Talked about Kuch being the more consistent guy, but Bryce being the one that could go out there and shoot sixty two on you. And I think that's what we saw in their pro careers. Right? I mean, you know, they both have had great pro careers. Bryce just recently retired after after a nice run on the PGA tour, but Kuch is still doing it man. He's still just that consistent guy who is going to be in the top ten every single tournament you. You turn on the TV. He's in there and you know, over the years, he obviously turned out to be the more consistent in better golfer, but man, we were in college. They were both Stutz. Wait, how did you play with two future pros and feel adequate about your game? Why did not feel adequate? I don't feel adequate. I'm a five point seven index right now. And every time I go play with with pro golfers, I feel like I don't even belong, but we have fun. That's the cool thing about golf man. It's like, you know, you throw it a few birdies and have a couple of good holes. And as long as you're you're, you don't drag your partner down, you feel like you can. You know, you can be a good good partner for them in in the end a five point five. That means you have to play with pro golfers to feel inadequate because any other chumps that want to go out there like twelve fourteen handicap are going just be mad playing, but you all that was me up. Literally the day that I retired. My handicap was like a twelve three and within six months of being retired and starting to play consistent Gulf and getting that bad golf swing atomised system from from baseball, I went from a twelve something to a probably about a six or seven within six months, and now I'm just chipping away at it. So I wanna know how impressed were you at what Steph curry? Did that first time that he teed it up in a web dot com tour event and shot like seventy four, seventy four. I'm completely impressed because I'm. I know how hard it is to to put on those on those greens to to hit from that rough. I'd follow some of my buddy. Some of my, my friends that played it started in the the US Amador in two thousand one was east like in Atlanta. So when I was in college, I went and followed some of my buddies and I'm walking through that grass. I can't see my feet like I can't believe how hard these guys have it on tour. So so when I go play the nights course, you know, and it might be a course that they play professional tournaments on, you know, the the rough cut down and the greens are nice and slow, and I go out there and I say, oh, I just shot eighty two on a, you know, the should've cock at the US open course man when they get those things ready for the tournaments. It is a completely different ballgame. So I have a ton of respect for Steph and those guys that that don't play pro golf, but can actually, you know, hit it around a little bit and tournaments. You said a second. I'm going to go back to, you said, once you retired, you got out of that bad golf swing and be able to get your index down. About seven points. What was what was the big thing that you worked on to really just improve your game? How did you get out of that swing? Okay. There were two main things that everybody has been asking me since I stopped playing baseball there like men, your Gulf games gotten better. So the first thing is in baseball. I was back leg hitter. I mean, most power hitters or back leg hitters. They kind of dropped that back shoulder. We want to get, you know, create some angles, some lost on the ball and just spin it the plate hit that ball over the fence. Well, when you stay on your backside and the Gulf swing as you guys know, it's the worst thing for you. So I had the high rights and then when I try to get quick and and I had the the hooks lab, so getting off of my backside was number one. And number two, actually keeping the clubs face closed throughout my tire back swing and then coming down through the ball because in baseball, you're, you know, if you guys can think about how you hit a baseball, that top hand. Is actually way open when you when you come through swing. So when a golf swing, my my club base would be open the whole way. And then I just have to flip it at the very end to to create that timing. And if my timing was perfect, you know, I, I can have a good round, but if my timing was off a little bit, man, I'm hitting house rockets Chonkin balls and and getting that clip base in the right angle was a huge thing for me. So you playing with, are you playing with the shut face for because you switch hitter in baseball? Yeah, yes. So what do you, what do you play? Golf. All righty. And kind never even try to the club left handed. So are you playing with a shut face then now with with you're saying keeping your face closes out how you're playing with your golf swing? Yes, yes. So so I have. I have a very simple Gulf swing now taking lessons from from a really good teacher, Carl Alexander Gulf of purchase here, close to my home, and you know we're working on just being very simple. I'd. Don't have to create a bunch of clubheads speak because I already have it. So if you look at me, you're like, oh, he's not even swinging the club hard. Well, if I've really tried to swing the club hard, you know the ball could go really far and you know, I don't really need that, so I can. I can hit the ball long way, just having a simple compact swing, which is what I'm working on right now. This is so messed up. And do you notice how Texas talking about how hostile rocket distant? It goes all over the place that, but before he goes, you know, I was at twelve point two handicap before you've got the number wrong every time. I'm saying it twelve point. All I'm saying is if you're a handicap of twelve, whatever you're not hostile rocketed and Toews shanking nothing, you know and every I got the same problem with the reverse. Like I cannot. I was the same playing baseball off the back leg. I'm a lefty. So for me, I fall away off my left on my left side. How did how do you get to? How did you break that habit? Because I cannot break that habit and Duda. Have you looked at your Wikipedia page is like thirty minutes long. I haven't looked at it recently because sometimes you can't trust what's on there, but hopefully it's all correct. So you'll forgetting the my front side. It took me. I mean, I've been, I've been retired now for two years. It took me about a year to really be can to stay consistently on my front side and get into that front side. I basically did like a, I kind of just kept all my weight on my left side and practice, and I didn't. I didn't have any type of weight shift at all, and that's just buried that those thoughts and those mechanics, and that muscle memory into my body. So I go bang balls for an hour at the rains without ever really putting any weight on my right side and that helped a lot man. I feel like Collins and I are both taken no done the king. I'm the king of this way. I sway so badly. Then I'm the same ways you never it just it feels weird when you're tried to explode onto that left side because you're right, it's all. Most natural to kind of stay back and hit it. And I know everybody listened to the podcast like me too me too. But when you get, you know, with twenty we do these interviews with with former major league baseball players quite a bit, and they all say the same thing when you guys would go for a long road trip, there'd be as many golf bags on the team charters. There would baseball bags. Yeah, especially from the pitchers man. These pitchy starting pitchers. These guys work once a week. They paid tens of millions of dollars to pitch once a week and play golf, the rest of the time. No wonder there's so much better than us. You know, position players grind that out. One sixty two, but I, I used to. I used to be so mad because the, especially when I was with the Braves, I played on the Braves in two thousand seven, two thousand eight, and you know, glavin and and Smoltz. We're on the t. Maddox had had since left for the cubs, but those guys would play and they'd play with like tiger, oh, we're, we're down in Florida for spring training. What are you guys doing? Are they go to play with tiger? I'm like, man, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm going to Fort Myers. For a game. That's what I'm doing. So I used to always be jealous of those guys who in the clubhouse, like in your baseball career, and we know glavin and Smoltz, and those guys are pretty Gulf addicted, but who was who was the guy or two in in your career that you just wanted to pummel on the golf course? Yes. So the guys that are the most serious about golf that I, that I played with them this past November and Atlanta, they all live in Atlanta. They play golf together a few times a week. So Jeffrey core, Brian McCann, and Mark DeRosa and McCain's. The only one that's still playing. You happens to be my stepbrother, but those guys take every single swing or putt, or you know, whatever it might be. Like if game seven of the World Series on this going, like I like to have a few cocktails on the course have a good time. I mean, I want to put a good score. These guys are grinding out there. And so it makes me wanna beat them a little bit more and which one I'm talking to most. Though? Oh, I'd probably say Frank core. 'cause he's he's the best. I mean, Frank different core is really good at golf, and I mean, he, he's, he's probably like a two or three handicap. I'm not sure officially what he is, but I mean, he crushes it. He's got some really good feel around the greens and he loves the game, but he he talks the entire round and it's sometimes it's fun if your partner, it's fun. If you're not, you know it can be rough, especially if he's up on you a wholly to that would be. Yeah. They, you got to remember. Oh yeah, we got to be friends when this is over forgetting spring training. A couple years ago. Smoltz took on me glavin and Frank core one, three balls, verse one straight up and and smoked us. And Frenchy could not rent core could not handle it because you'll get three cracks Adam and small to still be this debt, Mike, because you guys are competitive. You're pro athletes by nature how, how rough can get on a course where you guys, if someone were to have cameras on you, you'd think it's the Ryder Cup. Well, that's why drink on the course. I'm a competitor. I still want I am. I'm kind of a quiet competitive golfer, like I might have a big smile on my face if I lose and like, oh, you know, after the round, you take your hat off and you're shaking everybody hands on eighteen and I'm like, oh, this is so much fun, but I'm like, damn, I shouldn't have missed that. Put on sixteen, you know, like I wanna win and I keep it quiet. Some guys can't keep it quiet, but you see guys thrown clubs. You see guys, you'll throwing f. bombs, but I'd like to think that most of the rounds I play or at distinguished enough clubs or courses that that stuff is frowned upon. We'll see. That's why after dude it, you like, oh, hey, great round. That was that's a lot of fun as well. We'll do it again real soon and you like, hey, man, texting call me and like four days still pissed that beat him and was talking smack on the golf course. That's the. That's how you know it was fun guys. My question to what I was going to ask you before, what I'm curious about, because you said you're only two years removed from playing. I'm curious about as great as it is to golf. What was like? What's the hardest thing about having to walk away? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? Like, you know, you're going to get the golf and but but like when you got to say, hey man, I'm done. I'm always curious. Like what? What was the hardest part of having to walk away? You know, I, I don't have many regrets, so I think I hung up at the right time. My body was telling me that it was time to go, but every now and then over the last two years, I'll be watching a game and I'll be like, man, I feel pretty good. You know, Mondays aren't hurting anymore. My next not killing me. You know, my risks aren't soar right now I got there. I might be able to to to hit a couple of homers tonight. And so there's this that little piece of you that when you were feeling good on the couch, of course feeling good, you feel? I feel like I could still play. But overall, I mean, listen, if I play thirty six holes, I can't. I can't walk the next day because because my back in my knees or so sore, but that's the that's life man. I think every baseball play every athlete when they hang it up, there's always a time. I'm here and there for the first few years where they're like, man, I could. I can still do it. I could still do it. But the fact is I couldn't how many, how many tournaments like celebrity tournaments are pro ams if you played in? Not a ton. Actually. I've played a lot more charity stuff. I, I've never done one of those official like celebrity pro am type stuff. I've been asked to do a few during my career, but I just never had the time in the off seasons just because I got kids and you know, busy and workouts and that kind of stuff. But I would like to start that circuit if if anybody will have me. Tell all your buddies. They want a a five, five plus handicap that can throw a few birdies every now and then then I'm ready for him. If you ever found yourself in a charity event or some tournament that you've played in just a really awkward Gulf situation. What's your best story from from one of these tournaments you've in? Oh, my gosh. I had. I was played in one not long ago. And the dude I was playing with. He got so drunk and I never met the guy, never met the guy at all. He got so drunk. He wrecked the cart on withholds it teen sweet even make it even make it the whole round. We were on our fifteenth hole. He's next the cart, and we're like, hey, man, you should probably call the like the pro shop or somebody. He gets out of the car and just cart and just walks approach, didn't call anybody didn't. So like I'm driving around and I get done and the people either taking your bags like, oh, Mr. to share a house around and this and that. And like, you know, we're doing it for the kids, right? Raising money for sick kids and stuff, and I'm like, hey, man, there's a, there's a cart of banged up against a tree on fifteen. You might want to get there. That was the most embarrassing thing that I've ever seen that was only a couple months ago actually. He just leaves his stuff there about. He just walked off Gore's. Oh, good. Our best score ever seventy four. It wasn't. It was this. It was this spring at baker's Bay. I got a place a bakers bay in the Bahamas. It's my happy. Happy place. I live in Connecticut, you know? So it's cold here in the winters. So I go there bunch in the wintertime, and it was just one of those mornings. It was a beautiful morning, no wind. That's kind of what keeps the your scores up in the Bahamas this when you get those windy days off the ocean, but just had it that day, man, I chipped in on chipped in on sixteen from about ninety feet for eagle, that solidifies solidified the best round of my life. I shot seventy one at the Atlantis at ocean club when it was blowing thirty come on the only Avante broken par, three times all three times seventy one. But the Atlanta says, the one I'm most proud of because it was in that Bahamas win, win must have been at your back then. Shorten, I'm sure in fat, so it just doesn't move me much. That's doesn't affect my sleep. Playing in the wind. I played it Shinnecock a few a few months ago. It was a beautiful day, but it was windy and after the round I felt like I had gone like ten rounds with Mike Tyson. Beat me up that that's what the wind to mend mentally, it just completely beats you up because every single swing you're always worried about, well, if the wind takes it, it's going to go there and then you know the ball hits the green and you're like, oh, is it gonna? Hold and man. That's the wind just messes with my mind. Mark to share is player one in your dream force him who fills out the other three spots, man alive or dead either way. So and and if they're dead, let's assume that they were at their peak peak. Yeah. Okay. Bobby Jones. Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods. Man, you would learn so much. Right? You'd have to play from IBM to play out the box though. Oh, man. Bobby Jones is is is special because of his, you know, I got, I got Atlanta roots at Georgia Tech. He's a Georgia Tech guy. I've been able to been lucky enough to play Augusta and Peachtree golf club. Two of his two of his masterpieces and man, he's just he's a stud. I was just going to ask. So the nicest golf course that you ever played in, you've already played a Gusta and then what golf courses on your bucket list. Oh, that's a good one. Two. Okay. So I would say, I mean, Augusta's is my favorite course I've played. I've been lucky enough to play three times, but although Peachtree golf club, man is a close second. That is like a hidden gem in the list of of like US top fifty Peachtree up there. I would say I wanna play Cyprus because I've heard nothing but amazing things about I played Pebble Beach, but I've never played Cyprus. So I think that was all. My bucket list. I like it because I've never played cypress either and I've only ever seen it and I've played both of Gusta 'em Peachtree as well. And I, you know what? There's not many people that talk about Peachtree. 'cause it's one of those courses that a lot of people don't. They don't play because they don't know it. It's it's, it's it's a hidden gem and people in Atlanta when it keep it that way. So don't tell anybody. We'll keep this one down. And what because we all have one of playing golf with with the stranger and I don't know how much you you get into that situation. But what's one of your pet peeves when plane was someone that just drives you nuts. Oh. I don't like guys at talk a lot. Right, right before you swing like there's a lot of guys that'll talk talk. Talk, talk talk. And then like as soon as you're about to like, take the back swing there, they think that they're being like all like full etiquette and then be quiet. I wanna lock into to my pre shot routine. I actually have a process that I go through and get set up and like I'm gripping the club and getting my feet set. And this guy is still telling me the story about how when he was in high school, you had a home run. I'm like, stop it. And I and I get that all the time guys that are putting I'm line up my putt with my caddie sometimes and guy still telling the story. I'm like, dude. So I would say number one is guys at talk way too much right before you're about to hit the ball. I'm all for socializing between shots. That's why I like walking courses because you get that that social time, but man let me get. Let me go through my pre shot routine a little bit. Mike, Mike, my ears went up at that moment. Give it what it because you said you've got a pre shot routine. What is it walkers through it? So I mean for for it's different for putt, but let's talk about like t- shot. So I pick a spot on the course, whether it's like a tree in the distance, whether it's a corner of a bunker or even like I can pick like a leaf or something that I see on the fairway, I will pick that spot and from behind the ball, get up, put my getting my grip from from behind the ball as well set up to the shot. And then I look over my left shoulder and a lot of people tell me, I shouldn't do this because they're like, hey, if you're already set a fine, you shouldn't have to double check. But I look over my left shoulder and look at that spot and make sure that I'm that I'm set and then I go after it. But to me, it's all about keeping it simple and creating that kind of visual of all right. This is where I wanna hit the ball. I think it's probably because of all those years of. Playing baseball. I always visual of the of the pitcher and the ball, and I always it's always focused on when I played baseball was see the ball, hit the ball. And so when I play golf, it's all about, okay, that's the spot that I wanna hit, you know, set up properly and get hit it there. It sounds like every I love the pre shot routine and that last look that you do. That's the remnants of baseball. That's just a baseball remnant, but it sounds like your routines pretty fed your fast player to it sounds like I, I do play fast. And the reason I like to play fast because I've got three kids. I got a twelve eleven and eight year old. And I mean every minute unless I'm on vacation, you know, guys trip or whatever. I do a couple of those a year. Every minute that I'm on the golf course is one less minute that I can't be with my kids. So I try to play quickly and and you know, get it over with, we'll see the beauty of having daddy daycare now that you're retired is dropped the kids off at school. You know exactly what time they're done. Bang. This is how long I got it. The golf course, and you're right, and you know what. I play a lot more golf when the kids are in school during the summertime, summertime, like need to be home. Like wouldn't you be home dad when he be home dad. Now, the good thing is is my youngest. My eight year old loves Gulf, and so he'll play. We played eighteen holes on Friday. He shot a legit. One Twenty-one every ball in the hole from the women's tease had a natural par on number twelve. It was. It was beautiful. So I, I really enjoyed that. So now we know ten years from now it'll be yes, that's Mr. to share outside the ropes. They're going absolutely crazy screaming at people. I, I would love to see to see my year old man play be a golfer, that'd be cool. Hey, mar, we, we appreciate you making some time for today. So what will do for our foursome? We'll invite Ornstein, but he's not allowed to play. He has to pay for all three of us. He that is perfect. Good. So we make them catty. We all share the same ages. We're gonna make. We're gonna make Jim Ornstein agent to the stars pay and then carry all three of our clubs love that. That's a good plan. Hey, enjoy I know we're getting into the middle of the NFC s World Series your colleague here at ESPN. Now you're going to be busy as always. We appreciate you hopping on talk some golf with us. Thanks a lot guys, anytime. Yeah, thanks. Bye. We'll talk to you soon. Love having our guest John. They all come from different walks of life and how much they love golf to share. It was great. We appreciate it his time today, let's end with this catty you you came on before we started rolling the podcast. You had news on tiger and Phil and there thanksgiving weekend showdown. What are you. We have. Yes, who could go what? Who nobody, why not open to the public? And you know how they say? Yeah, when the lights come on, well, they're not going to be playing under the lights. So there, what are they playing? I'll know sunsets and four twenty eight. So it's gonna be in the daytime because they are not playing under the lights and shadow creek. And it's just those two in the camera crews. There's no doubt the public is not going to be allowed there. Now it I guess, owned by MGM as right. So there might be like some high rolling ballers or something. There. Maybe a couple of VIP's and stuff, but apparently the report that I read which was from the Las Vegas review journal Brian Hurlbert he is reporting. They November twenty. Third at shadow Crete will not have any tickets available to the public on quote. Did your team now sources telling him said there might be a small gathering sponsors in VIP's. How do we been on that list can Mattie tonight, you know what? How much of that nine million we putting up none. There's a wing going. So let me ask you some like when it's something like that. That's all pay per view. That they plan for their own money. Do you wanna go. Yes. Why? Because the night before I could go out gamble and do stupid stuff. Okay. So he coupling go see goal and then go back and gamble drink and do stupid stuff. It's Vegas. What do you mean? Do I wanna go? Okay, so let's be honest on how it would really go down the excuse would be to go out there for the event. And what would happen was the drink of gambling would happen, and then it would be time to go to bed with a hold up, man. I'm on a roll. Let's just chill for a minute, and the drinks are free. And then there'd be a time like, well, you know what? If as long as I catch a nap, I'll be good, go and can go out and I'll walk all of this out of my system because it's desert. So you won't even smell it coming off the sweat. Yeah. And then that will turn into, you know what? I don't really need to go. I'll catch some sleep a little bit later. And so what is going begins to go out there like him, want to go out there and watch this event turns into, hey, man, how's the goal. Off the play golf. I don't remember. I just woke up. I was on a plane. I'll feel too good. Actually. I don't even know why this conversation with you anyway, because when we weren't a situation where there were free, booze gambling tables in golf, you went to bed. So you not let your not hour and a half. What do you think you go to Vegas to reduce eight? Yes, but you don't get there on an hour and a half sleep like you need to get there with the batteries fully chart, your soft. Sauce. I'm smart. I was trying to. I was gonna say, I'll try to stay healthy while say that as a hacking up alone from fighting. Since August travel, it's parents, you know what? I caught this on the way back from Paris. 'cause one thing I did realize as much as I love pears. The one thing that I did notice over there that is different from over here. Everyone over there in the food industry. No one really washes their hands or wears gloves. Good for the immune system. Yes. So I think the other reason why they're skinnier and live longer is because they have some bugs in their system that flush their system out. And if you don't have those bugs in your system, once you get a couple in their your systems like we fight now, we're gonna. Go ahead. Go toe to toe because it, yes. So the United States, you just one big constipated country while you're up, just free flowing. That's yeah, that's what I mean. Like we are this. What cheese backs us up, you'll never hear, but you never hear about the French Lou eat less cheese. You will be less. No, they're good. They are good looking there. We're on the eighteenth hole. We gotta go. We appreciate the. No, I wanna. I wanna ask you for real. I gotta go do sports sportscenter or you know what? Look, we ain't going to the shadow creek thing. No, we're going to go. We're going, you think so. No, if they invite us if they invited she wanna go, yes, you do? Yes. Are, but look, if we go, how about this did if they invite us and we go, no gambling. While we're okay, I'm gonna agree to that. Okay. See exactly. That's. Okay. I will agree to know gambling, but we still get to drink. Okay, cool deal. All right. I do deal is accepted. All right. If they invite a state whiteness, we'll do it. Can we do a podcast from there? We'll see. That's the thing from the course from Vegas, like somewhere in August do that's happening that we all need a golf tournament for that. Let's just schedule it and go do that. I would rather do that. Then go out there and have to watch two knuckleheads getting miked up for pay per view and like talk PC smack. I still haven't been reimbursed for Tahoe some a little lenient to just go on my own time to Vegas for a podcast. I know I'm lazy with pay pal because I don't do that and I'll always afraid of when a mess it up. How about my reimbursement hinges on Collins? Yeah, yeah, right. You've that's. Oh, you need to know. Did you not get a nice shirt and a hat, though? I did. Well. How did candy clause came up? Big. I gotta Carnoustie shirt and a team USA Ryder Cup hat took awhile this. I'm trying to if you could only look around look at a pile of clothes looking at. He works as tiny, clean clothes. Like I'm trying to get smart. Look, that's laundry. Coming back from Paris. I had fifty two pounds worth of laundry. Oh God, fifty, two bounds will. Here's what we're gonna do. 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Episode 28: All Inclusive Resorts, Cancun, Mexico

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Episode 28: All Inclusive Resorts, Cancun, Mexico

"But you can't for another Schnitzer. Golden fifteen is my limit on suspicion of any problems. Dial information thank you for calling is going to be very popular. Welcome to your life podcast. Weekly those were all things travel we hear here host my name is Don Meyer and my name is airy Meyer and thank you once again for joining us. Thanks for finding US so mighty. God Yes. Thank you for spending some time with US downloading. We see that you guys are downloading a lot of our episodes. We really appreciate come. Spend some time with us and just wanted to remind you if you are a subscriber. Don't Miss Our our our newsletter. Make sure you sign up. Keeps you up to date on what we're doing. The latest episodes all that fun stuff so do sign up for it. It's pure life podcast dot com newsletter. Sign up right on the front page Ryan site do do check it out in. Do Sign Up. We'll keep you up to date on all of our comings and goings and speaking of comings and goings this week. Why are we so the weather is cold getting chilly early around here in northern California in? Well it's chilly enough for me. It's been rainy and zipped zip into the fifties and I know for those people like you're from Chicago originally right this. This weather's nice. It's comfortable but can be initially for some P wigner I know but so we think about we tend to think about Nice in hot. What whether Bac Asians so we tend to well when we were when our kids are younger? MHM we used to take a lot of all inclusive trips to Mexico. The Maya revere aside what. What is that Caribbean Carribean side of Mexico? And so today we wanted to do an episode on this but we're going to highlight all the resorts that the we been in many of them because these along time ago so names have channeled. Come on that's true but the some of the names have changed and and whatnot but we wanted to highlight the ones that we've stayed and we light right there so many to choose from home alert. Oh I think when you just do a quick Google search like a top all inclusive resorts in Cancun Vera. Maya which is a southern part of the the whole Cancun right but depending on what you're looking for whether you're looking for adults only or a family resort or you're looking for places with reefs fron like look we tend to do. I think depending on what you're looking for right. I think I just can't say okay. These these are the top ten that we think it's really based on your personal preference exist so we go through the ones that we've stayed and so these are fact-based based on recommendations and then yeah so we like we'll give you a little bit of a firsthand experience if you will in terms of where we stayed changing the names. Of course. Julio is you know things happen down in Mexico ownership changes on on different resorts. We'll make sure that we give you the right information where they are but for those of you who are new to Mexico in new to to travelling in that area the Yucatan Peninsula is eastern Mexico. It's about as far east. You can get in Mexico in his a nice. Little peninsula was part of the Mayan culture. Predating the European settlers in history. Incredible history it is very tropical. Very warm mm-hmm. It's a forested area but not forced in terms of like you know pine trees and stuff. I mean it's it's like a mangrove forest. I'm Super Super Super Humid. Some people say it's too humid summertime and I I love it right up against the Caribbean Sea there. So it's absolutely gorgeous oranges year round and because of its location and because of you know the the serenity of the sea and everything it's a perfect location for for hotels and resorts it's gorgeous beaches. Is it got great. world-class reefs tons and tons of stuff to do and see amazing. And so we're going to be focused on focusing on on this particular episode is to your point area we're GonNa talk about some of the resorts that we stayed. I give you a taste rate. Kinda what to expect it some of these resorts right and then I think for the next episode. We can dive into activities as their male so many you can visit the Mayan Ruins in on the more on the historical side of the attractions. There or it could be diving being it could be mainly beaches or even more. Yeah so shopping around in Cancun in Plano Carmen. A place like that. So there's a bevy of activity so what we wanted to focus in on his. Okay you're you're choosing to go to Mexico you can go to the Yucatan stained Cancun ching-kuo stay around Cancun. We'll give you an idea what to expect in those different areas and so many places that we've stayed at so we I think briefly we can break the areas down to three areas Cancun which is on north side of the Yucatan Peninsula and then Revere Maya which is to the Entire area south of Cancun the Yucatan and also cozumel we have to talk yes which island coastal player that Carmen. They're easy transportation Predator Carmen. Yeah the ferry right there. It's worth mentioning so I think we can just focus on those three areas and and so how do we get there. What's The for us from the West Coast easiest way to get down? There is lying to Cancun Cancun international airport. That's just outside of Cancun city itself. That's a little bit south of the city and it takes about twenty minutes. I think by transport to get into Cancun proper. Yeah and get around the hotel area. There's there's a nice little strip off exactly. There's a little strip of beach the lagoon there as well. The Hotel Telstra is on the outside of the goon facing the sea and from the airport. Like I said it's about a twenty minute route. Twenty five minute drive. Depending on how many flights are arriving at the same time in Cancun is an international airport accessible by most major carriers so for us from San Francisco Airport. There's nonstop on united so we tend to take bat a lot. Yup Pretty much all on the united right so far yes great experience. We've had really really good experience flying in and out of there We had on occasion. There was one occasion when we had our kids with us. We had to stay an extra night. I know twist arms. It's a rough thing to do because we had a planet had some some plain trouble. I don't know if you remember that we were flying out of Cancun. One night in our flight got canceled because there was some issue she with the plane or they didn't have pilot or something like that. Yes memories I lost a bunch of memories childbirth. Well anyway but nonetheless usually we have had very little problems getting in and out of Cancun's usually very on time and even cozumel if you're going to be going to Cozumel Cozumel has an international airport is well that's right. It is accessible by some major carriers to. We've flown united in there. I think we've had to do layovers though in like Houston or yes I Texas a Houston. Yeah I think it was. Houston I think it was a lot of options from Houston from the East Coast. It's easy destination very easy. Does nations very accessible. You can get there and it's straightforward right so things have changed who obey right from the we also should talk about when we got the very first longtime ago. Mine Chase all Kinda besieged before. Children exactly Tom Yum area and I. We Love the tropics and we love the water as we've talked about numerous times in the podcast and so we're always looking for places to go. Oh that kind of caters towards the ocean and caters towards kind of those aquatic adventures in an all inclusive is just so easy about the ban. I don't know if they make you wear the band's nowadays yeah maybe they still do but everything is including even gratuities it one price upfront. And you get your room all your food and all your drinks drinks you shoot taken a few libations now and then it's a nice this thing did not have to worry about and all the activities right recognised daily in coining as we found out kids. This loves okay. UNDISCUSSED my mind including the kids clubs. Serve you're going to be traveling with kids whether they're young kids. Teenagers is so oh yeah even pre kids we we had fun there are adults only resorts and then but even when you start having kids we did all inclusive -clusive trips a lot when the kids were younger because again is just so easy right. You don't need a new pack. The kids back in the car. Rei find a restaurant and the mealtime in an old whatever. The kids club is included. All the restaurants options there variety righty variety of options. Usually at each resort and activities. I included and kids all welcome absolutely nice pools. Also that's a good point. Kids are welcome at certain resorts. Though there are all there's some restrictions that are adults only in there are some family all inclusive and we'll kind of break them down for you here's rain and then some of the restaurants also adults only then if that's the case then you can just leave. The kids at the kids club works out so it's very easy. Eight to travel with family. Small kids children so we really like it we. We haven't done it. You know we. Should we talk about going back there. Yeah you're right we should definitely take a take a trip back down there. It's been couple years definitely. It's been a long time. Yeah so anyway. It's not that it's not an interesting place. Just there's so many places we've been going to so I think you're right. It's it's about time we hit on back down there. We talked about it so anyway. So let's dive writing gene so maybe starting off with Where we first visit it which no longer exist list? Blue Bay resort and Marina. I wonder if that's the blue big grin as Miranda no chain. It doesn't look like it doesn't it doesn't doesn't blue bag. Grandma's Morillas down in the Mayan Riviera. So it south of the Cancun area and when we stayed there we were right in north of the Strip hotel strip. Okay so never mind in. There's no point in talking about the resources. Sorry about that but Yeah it's I also wanted to mention that this resort. We first win as a graduation present from my grandpa that it can't be relatively inexpensive to go to Cancun yes again so for those people who adjust out of college. I just want to have a quick getaway. Something easy fun place I used to go. Cancun is also pretty. It's a party town. Well a lot of drinking going on and a lot of and I think that's where most people's perception is of Cancun. Spring Break College kids going down there getting drunk doing weird things you know having a crazy inexpensive so easy trip for that reason also and and I think one of the reason because it's definitely cheaper than Hawaii depending on how hi you do yes. There is a very high end you know. I don't resort area but Yeah you can choose different number of stars Ray. The quality quality wise at each hotel service or the food selections or whether it has spa or no spell. What not basically in Cancun on the hotel zone there? A lot of The accommodations ranges from a budget too high in career. So there are a lot of choices and again you can also go if you stay in Cancun especially the Strip area. We've stayed there. I think the place was called back then. Dreams Kan coon yes row. It's changed to higher ed but it had easy access to like a target like Store where you can buy toiletries if you forget shampoo conditioner aspirin and little some Over then it's all inclusive sign on if you need the snacks but yeah you can still get chips in railroad grand you want but so it was easy access. There's a lot of shopping opping your malls around and embarks if you don't want to just a stay at the hotel right and restaurants around and so ooh it's UK hop in and out the resort and it might be fun. Yeah in his long as you know you have your band on. You're able to get in and out of the too easy and there's transport Galore all all over Cancun all over the the hotel zone if you will. It'll take you two different bars. Different restaurants can take you downtown. Cancun you can do some shopping. It's pretty accessible and it will take you on tours. You can arrange that to go to different places like kitchen or shell how or wherever it is that you may WanNa go. Oh pretty convenient. The difference being those hotels zone a hotel whatever the hell they call it there. It's very crowded. There's a louder people that stay. There is gorgeous beaches. Lots of amenities was very crowded. So again depending on what you're looking for if you will more quiet relaxing kind nine of yes. There is a higher in resort even within the Strip but in general in my opinion you should go south. South even to loom Akamot Arkham. Oh Nice you can even rent a house so again. If if you WANNA party your first trip to this area by Mexico go to Cancun hotels own. You can't go wrong it's party it's happening. It's there's all sorts of stuff discos Galore. There's restaurants Galore this even if you're not gonNA do an all inclusive you know. There's plenty of stuff to do. We recommend the inclusive. Because it just takes the the out of the hassle. Thank you you know to your point. You don't have to think about what restaurants to go to or do I need to make reservations. You will need to. It makes them reservations in different different. Plays absolutely for the inclusive resorts. But it's so convenient when it's right there you can plan your entire stay at one day. You don't have to think think about anything. You just go show up eat. Drink be merry. Have a great time right so this resort which we really liked in this hotel zone that we stayed. It's GonNa Dreams Cancun so let's start with that it will now now. It's Hyatt and pros and cons cons. I don't mean to start off with the negative. The poor small they changed it but One complain that I had was that pool was very small and I think they do that on purpose. Because they're on the edge. Each peninsula blinked two or three different beaches at connect the property on either side of it and plus they have the dolphin thing too so I think they kind of scaled down the pool for all the other things that they have absolutely right so only one cons for me. I mean calling one income. Yeah and then the rest are pros so you already mentioned there dolphins so we win there with our kids and then one sometime. I think we've been took a parent's you're celebrating their milestone birthday as well and so this place the resort sort. I'm sure the highest still does it to the activities the quality of activities that they organized daily I leave interest was fantastic. They had this like costume shows and in dinner and Dan just amusing out on the beach so much fun just so so much to Donald Right. It's always right and in good Mexican food and ocean right in front of you and then in the morning. So dolphins winds yes. Yeah what's really cool. I mean there's there's like two towers to the higher now it's called the what is it called a Hyatt Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah crab. Ah Ziva Cancun. That's what it is so there's two towers one is a large one. It's on the southern side and then there's another one that's Kinda sloped it's right in the middle and and if you're fortunate enough and you stay on that particular building it's the smaller of the two stay on the ground floor. You'll get greeted every morning there so I don't know what they're saying eh but the dog and they're just calling something singing and then I know that Good Morning Morning Cook version of the Dolphin version of yeah the Dolphin version of a rooster exact morning and so it was really really cool from your balcony. You can just sit there and watch the dolphins frolicking morning noon night. Whatever whatever is so beautiful eighty absolute loved it? We would not annoyed no not at all. You know what better way. It'd be woken up in the morning. Donald now I know so so this place is a check mark for me all the dreams resorts and spas you can also check them out. There are other options dreams resorts DOT COM. They have resorts in Mexico Dominican Republic Costa Rica Panama in Accra. Chris sale so I think especially if you're traveling with kids the very family friendly resort and Lots of activities Yeah Yeah and I think it's a good choice. It's a great choice if you're going to be on the hotel zone it's about as far east as you can go. Oh and northern point isn't a corner exactly to the zone there Great Beaches Great Amenities Yes so on. Beaches uh-huh no reefs and grassy. So if you after for us we we tend to you know. Get excited if we can find a property three which is situated on the beach on healthy reef a problem but they don't in this case you really need to get on the organized organized smuggling trip something like that to be able to see reeves and I mean it. Is your fish either. Well there were some but I mean some imagine. Imagine there's there's thousands of people there traipsing all trafficing trampling over. That's what I'm trying to say. Everything over there and sure I mean it's going to make the fish go somewhere else elseneer. You're GonNa destroy the reef anyway. So they'll if you're into snorkeling or scuba diving. There are organized tours. You can take them. We'll get into that in the next episode from the highest itself so but I will say if this is your first trip cod of Mexico. I think Cancun is is always a good choice. Except if you're looking for more quiet relaxing kind of we would recommend south for the south but yeah maybe a plan that a padded coming can be Kinda loud but to loom to loomis. Yep Yeah where you can also rent a house. COSMO is well on the island side. They're true that's true but if you like the hustle and bustle of Cancun you WanNa be where all the action is scenes. You know the spring break. Yeah it's it's their abound in Cancun in on the hotel side as well and the high is is just a great kind of inbetween plays words. It's good family friendly stuff. It's also really accessible to all the other fun stuff that you might WanNa do in so highly highly recommended any no another reason why we went this long long time ago the reason why was it can be somewhat inexpensive to get to Cancun. Good that we were just straight out of college college. We didn't have a lot of money. much money and I think my GRANDPA gamy. Yeah graduation gifts which is cash and Cheaper Than Hawaii. You can get all inclusive everything and it's a nice getaway so you can go budget right or you you can go all. I think there's just tons of variety of Mexico so that's another nice right. Yeah it really. It makes it accessible for a variety of different reasons budgets. or or whatever. And it's safe. That's one nice thing about it you know. Mexico has some challenges with cartels and stuff like that in other areas. Cancun is really really safe. Keep your wits about you. Run around screaming. Hey attack me because I got lots of money but you know it used to be smart about you use commonsense. It's a really great fun place right. So let's keep on moving and south. Then yes so the next place that we stay that we now going to talk about blue because it doesn't include anymore anymore. If you're looking at the resort chain called Catalonia. There's a one Catalonia Riviera Maya. I would pick this place if you are looking for a resort with grief in front Skjei for us. It was based on the beach selection food food was not good to be honest and but the rules were big. The rooms were ladies. You bring lots lots of dresses you know to dress up for the nightly entertainment and whatnot. They're tons of space clauses space beautiful vanity or ma'am. You're venturing areas most amazingly speed here. Yeah and then they also had a nice. How do you call it like a Jacuzzi Tub? We didn't actually get to use it because there's ocean right up front and there's a pool pool was nice ambig- I think yeah and activity but the staff who organized the daily activities they were fantastic elements really really fun. The seedings facing the ocean were really good. So my only complaint at this place was food food quality well and you think about it. There's there's There's a number of reasons why they could be. I mean most people have have said stuff about the food in in these inclusive resorts in. It's just kind of mediocre right it. It just Kinda hits you know. That's that's that's what you get in for the most part. We've we've kind of experienced that too from you. Know all intensive purposes there are some exceptions though. There are some really notable exceptions. And we'll get into that right. This is the next place. Is the food bad. No it's just run of the mill just kind of average ordinary but one of the more important things we learn though. Bring some cash Josh. And it was at this resort resort were introduced to done. Julio Julio Kilos and we were able to do that because slipped a couple of bucks to the bartender and then all of a sudden goodstuff reaches behind the barn pulls out his private stash and says hey. This is what I drink. When I'm drinking Tequila at where have have you been all my life so really recommend you know get into the bartenders? Get on their good side because they will take care of bring them to indeed indeed so all in all the the resort itself. I think you know you get certain exceptions exceptions if you will depending on where the resort is located if you're located on a reef and you've got easy access to the reef. They're probably not going to do as much on the food side and service side and stuff like this. You're going to be there for that. Say if I remember correctly resort I love the beach right here. At the Byron crew does and that's the first time I caught fish huddle fishy. I'm like other beautiful. There was as a family use and our one of our kids. The middle one started snuggling. Actually at this speed it's easy the access and it was a rough no matter. Nice these three young DAB but when it comes to restaurants election. I don't think there were that many restaurant I want to begin with so again. It depends on what you after but if you want your drinks good beach. I think this is great graphic replacing nicer room. Nice Room Good Staff Amenities wise had good amenities. it's what I guess. Most people would would expect right from an all inclusive resort Karaoke. If I were you did you. Madonna got a fun. Yeah Yeah Ed and good gains during the day. Good Games in good activities at night as well activities during the day was better than night at this place maybe right dreams is King Koon that we talked about earlier. They had a really nice like a festival. Type thing going on right with the buffet dinner dancers in costumes uh-huh and grey Mexican food and Blah Blah Blah. But anyway. Yeah so then. Let's keep on moving south to Catalina looniest Linnea Catalonia and I mean. I think that we pretty well covered it important. You know again just to take care of the bartenders because they will take care of you and you know a lot of people like to you. You know sip on the sugary crap. You know the Pinochle in the Bahamas and stuff easy. You can get those do yourself a favor. Try some good Tequila Good Tequila. Dan grew up with the crazy fruity crack. Good Tequila talk to the bartenders. They'll pull it out for you in. Just it's it's part of Mexico as part of their heritage. It's it's really really good down there. Yes indeed so we are talking about good Tequila and so we we. We found the next place. It's called Paradise Rivera. Cancun resort which is not the name of the resort. Today it's been changed to now sa- fire Rivera Cancun but when we talk about the food quality out of the eight I think all inclusive on this side of Mexico that we've tried. I think this is one tops the list so far no man now. Hopefully it's the case today because with the new ownership change of name. Sometimes things can change wjr but at that time when we win. This resort is not so much for the Ocean Grassy area but a grounds owns were beautiful. The restaurant choices were great and the presentation and the service right or off at a restaurant it was just top notch and it was a white tablecloth kind of formal dress up which is always fun. You have but not pretentious not nothing KNOB ISH way wasn't like it was not inviting or anything right. It was very friendly still and then this presentation like even the bread basket that they bring. I think it was a Mediterranean or the French I forget which one but the presentation was just so onate. Just yeah. It's all edible. I was like oh I have to break. This is such a beautiful presentation eating them. All and this is all good and they're gone exactly exactly and we're we're just from the French restaurants in the Mexican restaurant to the others. It was just amazing. Every meal we had there was just wonderful taste. Gray create presentations were great. S- customer service was great and drinks. Were good drinks. Were really so after. Good Quality. Food food is your main focus. I will say checkup Padilla's the now Sapphire. Yeah Sapphire. So that's another thing that you know. We were just alluding to is that each one of the different inclusive inclusiveness will definitely lean towards one thing more so than the others. Some of them. You know definitely more lively committee weather activities. Some of them a little bit more water activities. Some of them definitely more are on the food. So if food is is your thing and don't get US wrong. They've got a beautiful beach but at the beach isn't really good for very grab snorkeling or anything like that. Yeah exactly yeah. But it's not like crystal clear blue. Yeah tons of fish and stuff like that but the pool is gorgeous they had these little cabanas that you could borrow and a lot of fun. Pools were huge. Restaurants were fantastic. The rooms were gorgeous and then they had this like bar area where there's a musician. Yeah Yup night and you can just lounge on this cabana bed. If you wish to or the kids just thought like a rock and body you get drinks and it was nice loud on noxious. A night was rather on the quieter side compared to some other all inclusive. But again if you're after food your in a little bit less hustle and bustle warm. This place was a fit for US rightfully so I think it's the kiss and kids club. It was good to go ahead with some of the restaurants were restaurants adult only right so you just have to lead the kids at the kids club but they really to repair and our kids were smaller. Then and we didn't need to worry about anything and then you get this Multi course meal and it was fantastic. It was it was again this The now resort is situated between Cancun pan-keun itself and Plateau Carman's rain between it's accessible urge really laid back nice and quiet. If if you're after a quiet just relaxing you know more Get together family. Time kind of place. Really recommend the the now your kids younger. A lot of infants to remember there were there. Were quite a bit and again did the staff even when we had the young ones. The staff of the kids clubs were great. Absolutely clean sterilize everything. So you know mothers out there. Sorry I know you worry about those things and this place was good yup so hopefully. It's still the case with now Sapphire right so we keep on going south. Oh next placed talk about. I really liked displays its go bought et CETERA. Maya Palace at that time. That was the newest addition. The Maya Palace was addition into the complex at that time and I think now they have adult only the highest but nice thing about there are about five or six chain right. It's just all attached together right. Run A big stretch of massive strip. If you you stay at the palace which was at that time was the highest you get to use or visit all the restaurants and the amenities or the spas. The the pools over other resort correct. Yeah that a pot of the boss chain so that was really nice and you mentioned about the food quality kind of keeps on going down now as you. Yeah Yeah. I think that if you stay at the Barcelona the palace which at that time was was the higher end food quality was really good. You know everything was just super intentional. Detail Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. There were different tiers of Barcellos depending on what what your budget was and as you started going down in tears definite difference in the food quality or at least the variety not necessarily the quality just wasn't as much variety. Okay so you get your standard run of the mill fair which was good buffet specialty. Nothing done exactly nothing exotic nothing. You know super premium or anything like that so staying at the palace we could go to any one of the other resorts which was great. which made it really really a big big place? Yes so this place expect to walk complain that this place was just too big. Pack your walking shoes because you will need him. He s not on the high heel from room to restaurants. It's quite a bit of walk in but at the same. We loved it because grounds were kept immaculate. The pools were gorgeous in the staff. Staff is always there. I mean there are always working on something and everything training Lifson. Listen and speaking of remember that big old iguanas there as well. That was the flowers of the. Were those trees. We were feeding the IGUANAS and stuff like that too so so much stuff around. There was amazingly. The pools are beautiful in an another nice thing was that some of the resorts in especially we have been needing into trouble during the peak season when the kids off school right right you may sometimes have to wake up early and reserve chairs right. This place was so huge that you really don't need to worry about whether you can find pool chairs or not. That's a great point. I mean you're on vacation up super early after spending the whole night drinking and having fun wake up super early Inigo reserve some chairs. We didn't have to do that with this place. It was really that spacious. And it's got a nice a kids pool like a jungle gym rain shower in Kid's GonNa blast right in kids club again was was fantastic. tastic and you you just walk everywhere just everywhere is quite quite literally what you do you scare everywhere. There is a diving diving center. Were like how do you call it like a hot way. You can book your dining excursions and so that was another nice icing but it was a quite a bit of a walk and there's a power as well where you're gonNA see a lot more fish right there. That was a bit of a walk as well. But again and there's restaurants in bars and just places to stop and rest and or you know big expenses of pool. Just it didn't feel like it was like ungodly far but it was. It was really really nice right so so talking about big so good and bad but so we had the incident at this resort took excellent care of us but unfortunate thing was so so this describe that uh one of us son got hurt. Yes so this was on the last day. We're staying there and granted we've been having a great time. The kids have been spending a lot of time with the kids club in a kids club. Whose grade there's xboxes and all sorts of the kids and kids activities and Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah? So the last day were there. We figured well it's good family time. We'll eat breakfast. Will spend a day ape frolicking in the pool. Go to the Beach Blah Blah Blah. So we got our towels ready and puts them on some chairs just so that we could have right next to the pool before we went to breakfast breakfast. Go into breakfast. Had A great breakfast. Come out in. It's pouring rain. It was really pouring rain rains. Pretty heavy can't I mean you're you're in a tropical area and Mexico's a common so okay. Fine it's raining. We're not going to spend time in the pool. Let's just go back to the room and wait out the storm so I go to grab the towels and I'm leaving you you with the kids. It's under an awning these stand on the why we were standing on the steps and not in a shade shaded covered area but one on my younger one at that time. Got Really excited right. It's rainy rainy. Rainy off more jumping up and down and was the Spanish steps with a very sharp edged inch tile tiles and so before I had a chance to hold onto his hand and bring him to the covered area. It just took a second split second second whipped. As he was jumping on the steps his foot slipped and he dove headfirst onto onto a stair that corner the yeah the tile edges meet. Oh Gosh so sharp. So I could literally hear a skull head into the concrete. It was a loud noise even though it was pouring rain and in that was knows enough and Oh my got I could see his skull deep cut and I honestly panic you so in the meantime I'm walking in the rain getting towels and I reached the chairs. GRANDMA'S HOUSE I turn around and look at you and you're like okay great. What the little guy do this time? He's causing problems uh-huh and look down in his. Yep He's he's in trouble has faces. Brady's crying so that's a really different color red and should be holy crap. What happened so I rush back over there and I just see blood everywhere? There's I mean there's blood jerry literally. Everyone's bleeds a lot. So you're in panic mode. I go into crisis mode and I grab a towel. Unfortunately the towels were brick red. I'd grab one. Wrap his head with it the first staff member. I could see as excuse me ambulance. I gotta get into a hospital. He needs stitches and the staff was very nice very play but they're used to don't why Oh falling down drunk idiots in getting them starts hurting. It's okay Sir Accidents Happen. You don't need to worry. We're here to help as it. No no you don't understand. He needs stitches. It's GONNA be okay. Scrapes and bruises towel on the Talbot. Look she's only God. You need an ambulance. Yes so she goes and orders a a pick up and tickets to the onsite doctor centers places really big so there is a on site doctor. The medical none of medicine. Actually we WANNA later. Oh he was a doctor so in the meantime you a hitting up there. It's all inclusive so you don't carry a passport. You need a credit card to get out of this resort to head to the hospital and we know we're going to have to go to a hospital because no way you see his car on my God so I start really. This is when I hated. The result was big. Rose I on the car in at certain point of cards can get insight so you must be on par so I ran Dan my poll they lost all the pinnacle of the Margarita. Studying gained during your trip in and I was just sweating dripping in in Info you had to go get the stuff out of the safest thing in finally you you get to the room. You get all that stuff. Did they. Bring another golf cart to pick you up or did you have to walk yourself back. I remember running a lot but then I think I was renting like a mad person. Why go back to the section where the golf carts were allowed? I think they put me in. Okay now on the car ahead to that and Whiskey of so in the meantime you took off. I'm holding onto our sun and I looked down at him and he's finally. These just sobbing stopped crying and I look locate his face in his eyes. Start Rolling in the back hall crap. Here we go. He's got a concussion. Now we're going to spend the night. This is our last night in Mexico. We gotta change flights. We gotta get a hotel. We we're not booked in missile telling you there's a lot of my mind but first things first. He's he's at least calming down. So we get to this medical facility on the Barcelo property operative and there's a doctor there and his sure enough we get there so what's going on guys spoke perfect English again. They're used to American tourists or whoever coming down. They're having some problems. I said I need to get to a hospital. He needs stitches hair. Their son parents overreact to these things. Kids are falling down. You don't understand luck. Look it's okay. I opened up to tell you looked at his. Do you need stitches. Yes I know I know what I'm talking about a couple of times. I'm not a direct it. This is what he did was. He left the wound open and clear up to your point. You could see my son school. You could see it. His his skin separated like really huge Gash. Really big to the point where you do need several stitches. He took some disinfectant and antiseptic stuff. India's put it all over the wound in Kenya are he was in Chicago and he was he was like so. I'm watching him. I'm watching him and I'm watching him. I don't know what the heck's going on and you show up. And then before long an ambulance shows up and then we got to remember Call Insurance Insurance Company. Yeah but before we get into the ambulance. The doctor wraps our son's head with a light gauze they put him on a stretcher and they take us into the ambulance so at this place is not that close from the hospital and another thirty minutes. South of Playa del Carmen in the nearest hospitals. Playa del Carmen. So we're in this ambulance and there's a staff member with us. He with us the entire time sitting with us. He's he's with us he's time did you guys need anything Blah Blah Blah. We get to who were in the ambulance and we're cruising up to play to the hospital and my son's looking around finally goes. Oh Hey look the ambulance blew. I like blue got. He's GonNa be okay so long story short anyway so the credit card is well accepted the staff member at this hospital. So it's a main hospital in an and so a lot of American or whoever gets injured breakbone or whatever they have wide x rays while the hidden tastic yet. You've got. He got an x Ray. got a cat scan scan everything. The doctor spoke English. They accepted our credit cards. Everything was just it was. You couldn't have asked just for a more convenience. been trying to find the right word to describe. It wasn't the best situation but it turned out that they were super helpful. Super accommodating the guy from the Mo the Barcelona estate with us again doctors stitched him up he had to get four stitches on his forehead wrapped up and again. This is the last day we're here. Can he fly yes. He'll be fine to fly. You need some medicine though. Okay where do we get miss that so the guy from the auto took us in a cab took us to a pharmacy grabbed the stuff that we needed brought us right back. It was signed summary about settle staff member fantastic on belief above and beyond yes and customer service and There they're very thoughtful and remember when we got there. There's a greeting party to get us. When we get back to the hotel the staff member had called ahead and they were waiting for? Oh My god Mr Mrs Meyer. We're so sorry or anything that we can do. We hope asset has been doing. Anything are stupid. He hasn't been fantastic. Thank you so we're we're here if you need any snow so the hospital is good. You will be well taken care of England for need to do that. Yeah it's just in case you get injured. His you do get excited and Yang vacation. Sometimes things happen so that that was our story Cerro highly. Oh my Gosh my eh now is a great so stay on the higher end either the Amaya Palace or whatever the adult only one that it's called right now but that looked really nice and yeah just the food to the place as long as you okay to walk around. It's a huge resort. Yes it is a big resort a lot of a lot of stuff a lot of amenities search all the quality good grounds. The kids are taking care of the food. Quality was good good fantastic daft all around. You can't go again itself so it's going to take some time to get there well over an hour to an hour. It was the highway paved. Yeah it was paid but they had they had different hotels dropping people off it so it took some time to get down there and that was I think the only thing that I really didn't like about it just how long it took to get down there but man when you were there. There's no reason to go anywhere else. It was amazing so a few more more places to highlight another big chain that we stayed. And we pleasant experience Cohiba Roster Borough Star Star. I saw Maya so again. This setup is very similar to bow to settle their multiple eberstadt chains stacked up together. They're the lower into the higher end more budget to hire but again. It wasn't something ridiculously expensive. The a pool was nice. The staff Oh my God I remember they just held one of our kids. Kind of took care of your time as Conroy. It has a nice spa. Yes Gray shopping. My mom ended up buying a crocodile. Skin gain or something like a multi rain bags to a wallet to putatively colors shopping grade. The SPA was awesome. Yes yes the food was not as good as maybe. The breakfast was fantastic but not not as variety of options as about settled but the decent. Yeah it was decent and then is it easily eurostars that where they had the wave pool as well it was kind of yes the night exactly that plays actually again another huge huge resort a lots of amenities in the in the middle of it. There was this big wave pool where it actually create a way for you tons of different pools around lots of great activities. Lots of families with kids. So if you're traveling with kids great place to go this place I yeah. I think we had a little bit of trouble sometimes. Getting the chair was pretty cried. Internet again though. If you can travel low season you won't have problem. I'm probably we have been choosing to travel when kids off out of school so we tend to. Hopefully that'll change soon But yeah so we have to fight but then for chairs beach chairs but they had great activities archery archery. That's Ri- H.. And everything that's on the beach and there's also. was there a diving. Like a die shop because you go scuba diving. Yeah I didn't go so the diving was fun. Yeah driving was great. Yeah I'll take it into scuba diving with your dad is an adventure rancher in and of itself L. A.. We'll get into that a little bit. Yeah nonetheless so the bureau star really kind of cool again foodwise. I remember the breakfast being really good Other restaurants for you run of the mill stuff again. A couple of dollars goes a long long way to get in some good to kill and getting the bartenders attenders to kind of pony up. I remember our room was nice again. Had One of those Jacuzzi tubs in it was a multi layer really really nicely NBA decorated grew amenities have jungle like cook. Some mosquitoes at this place right. So bring mosquito component or stand water right but how was the beach. Beach was okay. It was okay. It wasn't the reef. Pools were huge. There was a lot of their ears the way polls in and all that stuff so the options were good. You're so again good. Spa Far right and activities gray nightly they have dances and you and the vendors come. There are certain nights that the in a central area area there's open market vendors comes then. My mom had a blast shopping. That's right that's right so so the local merchants would come and present their stuff and and you can haggle and do stuff. They also had to Keila vendors coming in as well and you could do a sample. Some of the different Tequila and things like that so really really well done. In terms of the activities I thought the overall activities that the star was top notch. Maybe that was a bit of overcompensation on that front so that they didn't focus says much on the food but overall the food was fine. The amenities were wonderful. Location was great Just overall really really good family friendly resort right. Yes so this one is good. Good recent moving onto 'cause mel go to Cancun Rivera. Maya when you get down about half like down south there's a Erico plan for your where there is a ferry that you can get on. Oh you can fly to call. Smell US running. Yeah which caused the mail has one of the natural. The protected reefs Chonkin up correct and for those who are scuba divers snuggle lovers. You're going to have amazing time so you you should at least plan a- few days right if you could you can even go there for a day trip. I think the first trip that we were we were there to Rivera Maya. We only took a day trip. We very across in. Yeah aided the hard rock cafe or whatever yeah we also chose on the separate per trip to stay the entire week your clothes smell and so yes we did twice more on the budget was ill Cohen. Newell Beach Beach Resort. The service was gray but the food was so so but it's she waited on a natural shore with I think frontier the sparkling Caribbean Sea. Of course yes a nice view and if I if memory serves me there was a little jetty that went out into the training. They were creating artificial reef. There's well so there was plenty of fish. There was something to see. Wasn't Theo I mean obviously is the big reefs. We're going but at least in front of the hotel. The beach was okay and there was a bit of reef and a lot of fish around so it was kind of cool so the one that I really liked in the place that we stayed is called. Cosmo Palace yes. It's not. She traded on the Sandy beach new actually on the rocky almost like a cliff right. But it's got this like is Jerry where you can just jump off of. There's a little jetty a little a a protected reef around as well at the that is specific to the palace. And so yeah you can hop off there. You can walk down the steps that go in towards the protected area so it's really nice to your point. It's not a beach so if you're looking for sand sand is more inlet doesn't drop you off right at the beach. It's it's a rocky area with a ref- right out underneath you. So if you like snorkeling in snorkeling is your thing snorkeling in the ocean looking at fish and stuff. The Palace was great because there was a little bit of a reef right there in front. I dare rate it's gotTa Enron Jacuzzi in yours racist right. Yeah it had to two pools. If I remember was like I was a kids pool or was for adult too but maybe three corner a tiny any little kiddy pool there was off to the side and then kids club was great. I remember drinks. Were good the food it was decent. It's not a huge nights likely resorts a your selections are a little limited but the food quality was really good and it. Is this the one that we actually go out and their their restaurants around. That's correct up towards downtown Coatesville exactly and then again once you're there you should definitely go on a chunk or NAHB home. We did the diving and snorkeling. And we'll get to the the next episode as well so let's activities to do on Cozumel in most of them do involve the water. Although there is a Mayan ruin that's John Cozumel as well that we went to talk about that in the next episode. Yeah so this episode just wanted to kind of go through different types of resorts right. It's all inclusive inclusive. But you can do airbnb of course in a place like automobile. We haven't done it. You ran a whole entire house right. And it's Ocean Front Ron and then you can hire shed. That sounds fantastic so many options but when kids were younger something easy. It's all inclusive. You don't need to move around. Put the kids in the car and it looked for restaurants every night or you can cook probably but that's not something that I want to do while I'm on the clean up or anything like on. It's something easy. One Stop Shop. Everything is included from activities two drinks to food to write accommodation. The hotel room tips in itself. If vacation is important and you want to maximize your time you. You don't want to think about or have to go to different restaurants or think about how. What are we going to do tonight? The inclusive options are really really convenient. Yes you're you're in a in a resort. They get tons of things to do tons of things to see. There's other people that you can talk to get to know your kids have kids clubs. There's there's shows that go on. All the time on is all sorts of different amenities any got all the alcohol that you could possibly want all the food at any time. There's always snacks Galore so even if you missed out on breakfast you wanted to sleep in a little bit. Don't worry about it because it's cards coming out or their snacks going on at the other restaurants that you can sit down and some of the restaurants as well as shell so convenient so one thing sky Kinda Wanna mention at the end was that I think. Sometimes I felt that the all inclusive people just talk negatively The food is bad and Blah Blah Blah. At least that's my experience there so many depends on what you're looking for if you want a quiet environment good food like we keep saying you know. There's so many different ways short joy and so Graham Vela's revere Amaya was one of the things things it's more on the higher end. You can go budget you can go high in. I think there's just the sometimes I fell. Like you know just conclusive get bad. Get a bad rap. Yeah Yeah I get you to your point. I think it all depends on what it is that you're looking for. Set your expectations expectations stations. And you're not going to be disappointed if you're looking for something that's central. That's the lot of activity nearby and don't expect the quality of the food to be that great because there's other choices around and it's going to track you if you're in someplace you want to be a little bit more secluded. You want to have a little bit more of a quiet time. Expect the food there to be a little bit better because that's the whole point. They're trying to keep you there. They don't want you going off anywhere and there's all sorts of things in between. Yeah so I think the point here is just to do your. You'll research yup. Yup exactly you know just to make sure that's the right fit for you what you're looking for then. I think you have fantastic time. You can't go wrong. Examina- feel feel like tropics for some people from east coast particularly. You know they have easier access absolutely. It's a good easy location to visit. And so yes Hopefully this taste of kind of the inclusive thing for us. This was going to Cancun was our first experience in an all inclusive and quite quite honestly. It's something that we continually experiment with in explore because we love the concept. It's just there's something convenient about that and we talked about Turksancacoes correct options locations different. She's just the level of service and long as you get the expectations. Hey look for the right budget for you as well because there's different classes depending on what your budget is so. Hopefully that idea definitely visit Cancun. It is an amazing amazing place. This is just on the accommodations next. We're GONNA get into the activities and there are a ton if you like archaeological places if you like jungle. Uncle teams ruined animals. If you like water there is so much so much to do so much to see. If you like shopping my goodness you can spend days going from Playa Carmen to Cancun Cozumel to different places where you can go shopping and haggling. And it's so much to do we're going to get into it next so we liked displaced will do share with us though because there are tons of all inclusive that. They're the ones that you've tried and you loved. Please do share your experience experience. You'll recommendations through our website. This aligned exactly input purely podcasts dot com or leave a comment on our blog posts. Oh Sore on our questions. We mentioned today absolutely absolutely so at that set the next time we talk. We're going to be talking about the activities of ready we're diving and we're going to dive deep because we have done some deep sea activities. We've done some scuba diving. There's all sorts of stuff going to get into so with that. On behalf of everyone here purely podcasts. Myself airy thanks again for joining us. Thank you so much joining hope. 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Show 1171: How Can You Avoid the Pain of Diverticulitis?

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Show 1171: How Can You Avoid the Pain of Diverticulitis?

"I'm Joe Graydon. Terry Graydon, welcome to this podcast of the people's pharmacy. You can find previous podcasts and more information on a range of health topics at people's pharmacy dot com. Abed bellyache gets your attention. Fast one possible cause is diverticulitis, which can be a medical emergency. This is the people's pharmacy with Terry and Joe Graydon. How can you tell the difference between? Diverticulitis diverticulitis and appendicitis. Is there anything you can do to keep diver Tikolo sus from flaring up into diverticulitis? How do you stay out of the emergency room? What's the best diet? Sometimes people get conflicting recommendations, which can be confusing. Our guest gastroenterologist, Robin, Chuck can clarify what to eat and what to avoid coming up on the people's pharmacy gift the details on. Diver. Tikolo. First the news. In the people's pharmacy, health headlines, there's growing evidence of a link between dementia and drugs that interfere with the neurotransmitter acetylcholine such anti cholinergic drugs, include anti-depressants, like Emma tripped, Aline, or paroxetine medications for Parkinson disease such as been stroking medicines for overactive bladder like tolterodine and anti convulsants such as carbon masterpiece, British researchers reviewed the medical records of more than two hundred fifty thousand people in primary care practices in the UK. There were nearly fifty nine thousand individuals who had been diagnosed with dementia, each one was matched to five controls of similar age who had no dementia diagnosis in looking back over more than a decade of prescriptions. The investigators found that people who had taken anti cholinergic medicines were almost fifty percent more likely to get a dementia diagnosis. Those with greater total exposure had a higher risk in an accompanying editorial scientists call for deeper scrubbing trials that would test, whether taking people offense Eichel energetic drugs would lower their likelihood of developing dementia. People should not stop taking such medicines on their own since stopping anti-convulsant, or an antipsychotic drug could be dangerous. How can you protect cognitive function as you age? Studies have shown that in Mediterranean, countries like Spain, and Greece people who follow a more traditional Mediterranean style diet appear, less likely to develop dementia. Now, a study in the UK finds that the same is true even in countries where a Mediterranean, dietary pattern is not traditional and analysis of data from the European perspective investigation into cancer nutrition in Norfolk England demonstrates that people who consume more fruits and vegetables, and fewer meats and sweets. Score. Better on cognitive tests. The researchers analyzed data on over eight thousand older individuals those at higher risk for cardiovascular disease were less likely to perform poorly on cognitive tests. If they followed a traditional Mediterranean, dietary program, Phil years, cardiologists, have warned their patients to be cautious about consuming. Too many dairy products, they worried that dairy fat would clog arteries, a randomized clinical trial from the Netherlands, suggests, however, that a high dairy diet can actually help overweight middle-aged adults lower their blood pressure in this crossover study, fifty two volunteers consumed a low dairy diet with less than one serving a day or a high dairy diet with five to six servings of low fat dairy products daily. The investigators defined one portion of dairy as a Cup of low fat milk or buttermilk or three. Three quarters of a couple of fat yogurt or a one ounce slice of low fat cheese each diet trial, period, lasted six weeks. And there was a four week, washout period between them blood pressure was measured at the beginning, and end of each experimental diet, period, during consumption of a high dairy diet blood pressure, dropped by about five points Stolac in three points, diastolic, this was a significant difference. The dash diet, which has been shown to reduce blood pressure is rich and low fat dairy products, perhaps, some of the dash diet benefit is due to its dairy product content for decades, Americans embraced, antibacterial products. They sought out hand sanitizers soaps kitchen. Cleansers toothpastes and cosmetics with an ingredient called trae close San. It's also been found in toys, clothing and kitchen products. Then researchers began warning that trae close and could be an endocrine dismay. Rupture? In other words, it might affect hormone function in the body last April, the FDA banned the chemicals use in hand sanitizers, but tricolores and can still be found in some toothpastes antibacterial soaps and deodorants. Now scientists publishing in the journal of clinical endocrinology and metabolism report. An association between trike Lasantha exposure and osteoporosis. They tracked prankul sand in the urine of more than eighteen hundred women between two thousand five and two thousand ten those with the highest levels of urinary tricolores, listen had the lowest bone mineral density in postmenopausal women high trigly- San levels were associated with the risk of osteoporosis. And that's the health news from the people's pharmacy this week. Welcome to the people's pharmacy. I'm Joe Graydon. And I'm Terry Grayton. Have you ever had a really bad bellyache? That didn't go away. What did you do many people take antacids or proton pump inhibitors, whenever they have abdominal discomfort that might work for heartburn, but not for something called diver ticky litis. What is it? And how is it different from the related condition called diver tick, you'll low ses to help us understand diverticulitis and diver ticky losses? We're talking today with Dr Robin, Chuck can, she's on the faculty at Georgetown University hospital and is founder of the digestive center for wellness in Washington DC. Dr Charleston is a board certified gastroenterologist, and the author of three books on digestive health. The I was gut- bliss, which is the name of her website. She. Also written the micro. Biomass solution and the bloat cure. Welcome back to the people's pharmacy. Dr Robin, Chuck Kim. Thank you so much, Terry, and Joe for having me back. It's always such a pleasure to be with you on the people's radio. And it's great to have you with us again. Dr Charleston, we hear from people who occasionally have an attack of diver, tick, you something, low, slightest all we know is that for them. It is incredibly painful. Sometimes they end up in the hospital. It so bad. Can you explain what the differences between diverticulitis and divert tick, you low sus, but more important, what the heck are diver tick Hewlett? Anyway, joe. I'm so glad you office because this seems to be one of the most confusing aspects of digestive disease for people with difference between Itis and assess. So diver ticky, low sys refers to the presence of what I like to call Pac holes in the colon. He's a pocket, develop usually in the bottom half of the colon the signaled, colon and davick Yetlis is incredibly prevalent in the US more than fifty percent of the population over fifty. And part of the reason why is that on? Fortunately, most people in America eat what we call the sad diet standard American diet, which is a diet low in fiber, and a diet low in fiber is precisely what causes diabetic ELO, SIS. So that's opus. Opus refers just to the presence of these potholes in the colon now to find it confusing, you can talk Daiva, Tikolo service, and be completely a symptom attic, or you can have a ticket low says and have a lot of symptoms. And what are the symptoms of diver ticket sus? So again, we're just talking about the presence of the potholes. The classic hallmarks, sometime is something called which is. Fancy way of saying incomplete evacuation and what that feels like if you're a patient with particular focus is you sit down on the toilet to go. And you feel like you have to go, and you push in strain and just a couple stingy little bits of stool come out, and they offered little pebbles because they're actually past their, their stool that have been sitting in these potholes. So they come out was round shape or they could come out narrowed and string, almost like toothpaste. And that's because colon itself can become more now with the doctor to Gilo SIS, because of thickening of the wall. So the communist system of tequila is incomplete evacuation feeling like you have to go, but it's not all coming out and often multiple stools. So this is it's almost like a form of constipation, but when you think of constipation, you think of people not going, but in this case, people going multiple times a day. Each time a small amount of still incomplete so backstabber to Gilo SIS now diver ticky ally. Litis and here's a little medical nugget our listeners anything. That's Itis, in medicine means inflammation. So arthritis is information of joint Dharma Titus inflammation of the skin colitis inflammation of the colon and die for ticky, litis inflammation of the diverticulitis. So in order to have diverticulitis you need to I tugged optic yellow sus. You need to have the presence of the diver titular offices, or the little potholes. And then what happens is those potholes become inflate. Now, remember, just said, you can have Tillerson, have no symptoms at all. But let's say you start taking a lot of ibuprofen for knee pain, ibuprofen as one of those things that inventory, gut can cause information even though it can be helping information you me, sort of has opposite effect in the gut so I'd be appropriate can cause information, specifically can flare up the tab, Tikolo says, so that now you have dived to get light. So now those pockets are inflamed and when I do call and ask the bay Joe and Terry. I actually see puff in those at pockets little puff o pocket. Now, we try not to do a colossal be when somebody has active diverticulitis 'cause earn a lot of pain. They can have fever Collins, rolling lamed. It's a higher risk doing procedure with active information. But every now and again, we have to, and we actually see the pus coming out of his pockets, so Daiva colitis the main symptom is pain, and people can sometimes have a fever. If you get your labs drawn, you can have an elevated white blood cell count amok of information, and the diverticulitis can turn into an actual infection that can require hospitalization, intravenous, antibiotics, people can be quite sick. People can be so Colin's people can even die from a really severe episode of diverticulitis, a that is by far, the exception, rather than the norm. I had no idea that it could be so serious. I knew that it was terribly painful. Yes, it definitely can be. And then, you know, again, it's a broad spectrum. So you have wanted to the curve, people diverticulitis, who are really sick in the hospital on intravenous antibiotics. And then you have to office spectrum of people with devotee colitis who are having a little Decem for maybe Al go light for dinner tonight, but are in pretty good shape, and I wanted to mention the food thing because for anybody who suffering from an acute episode of diverticulitis bowel rest going on a liquid diet or, or not eating anything at all is one of the really important things for helping to cool down that information if you have a really inflamed colon with always pockets of pus coming out the last thing you want to be doing is eating, a big meal, the truckin, there are so many things that can happen in our abdominal cavity in our digestive tract. And it can be hard for people to actually know what's going on. In other words, is it an attack of appendicitis, obviously inflammation of the appendix. Is it just I ate the wrong kinds of foods? And maybe now I'm having, you know, some kind of bad heartburn and it's not going up. It's sort of going down, or you know, just a general irritable, bowel syndrome. Whatever we mean when we say that. So how would somebody know if they're having an attack of diverticulitis, while Joe, do you know, when I approach a patient, I'm always thinking a new patient on mother back to my office and the hospital in the emergency room. Now, always two things going through my mind watch the most likely diagnosis and watch the most leaf L diagnosis. So what is the likely fins know the thing that is probably going on? But what's the thing I don't wanna miss, what's the most lethal thing that this could be that if I missed it this patients really gonna be in trouble. And so, I really encourage people as they think about their own house, and particularly as they start to learn how to have a dialogue with their digestive tract. To think, in terms of these, these are two things. What's the worst cygnus could be what's the thing that I really need to go to the emergency room for them to exclude? Because if I missed it, I might really be in trouble versus what's unlikelihood and to help with that, there's some wrench lags of people should be aware of one of the really important red flags fever. If you have a fever, rail fever above one hundred degrees Fahrenheit, that's something that should sort of really get your attention big. No. You can't have fever with more benign things like some sorts of placing at cetera. But if you have a fever that puts you really in the category of things like the pen to Seitis diverticulitis, even a bowel perforation, which is where something has a hole in it in that can be a surgical emergency. So fever is something that should really have you thinking may. I need to make an urgent call tonight, internist or maybe I need to head to the nearest emergency bone. The other thing is how severe the pain is pain of courses. Have very objective symptom of Rana, very subjective symptom, it can vary. One Parsons ten on a scale of one to ten could be another person's five or even allow the person's three but within your personal experience for pain if this pain feels different from all the pain, you've had way, more severe than other pain. You've had that, again, should really make you maybe I need to have evaluated more more quickly, if you're having vomiting, along with the pain that something else to think about so again, Heaver severe pain vomiting, and I would also add to that blood in your stool, these are things that in general terms in the GI tract make us worry about at an when I say blood in the stool, I don't mean a little blood on the toilet paper on a regular basis, but bleeding in the setting of some of these. Other signs and symptoms. So those are some of the questions is people trying to figure out is this just a little stomach upset. 'cause I eighteen much had one too many slices of pizza the night before eight something that delivery with me, or should I be really worried. And also, what happens to the pain is getting more severe, Robin than last. Is it sort of crescendo knowing words getting really severe on waves? Or is it getting better? So again, these are really kind of subjective calls, you know, but this is why it's so important to really get to know your body and get to know your digestive tracts on have that dialogue so that when he gives you the feedback, you can relate sort of interpreted on understand what it's trying to tell you, you listening to guestroom interro, just Robin Chonkin, Dr Charleston is founder of the digestive center for wellness in Washington DC, and she's on faculty at Georgetown University hospital. She's written three books gutless the microbiome solution and the. Gloat, cure, her website is gut bliss dot com and Terry. What were those red flags that Dr Chuck can was talking about, well, she mentioned fever. That's very important. A fever of more than one hundred one degrees Fahrenheit. So if you have fever, that's a red flag. If the pain is more severe than other pains, you have experienced that's a red flag. If you have vomiting or blood in the stool anytime there's blood in the toilet, that's kind of a red flag. And if the pain is becoming more, intense, then that's another red flag. So you need to pay attention to all of those. It doesn't tell you what's happening, but it tells you something is very wrong. See a health professional after the break. Find out what causes diver disease. How can you prevent problems? People are sometimes told to watch their diet. But there's a lot of conflicting information on what to eat and what to avoid it. Following a high fiber diet. How do you avoid nuts and seeds that could cause trouble? Well, let's the official diverticulitis dyin are there drugs that make diver Tikolo sus worse, which ones are they? You're listening to the people's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon. The people's pharmacy podcast is sponsored in part by. Kaya. -biotics. K. A. Y A -biotics offers the first probiotics, which are both certified organic and Hypo allergenic. I'll probiotics are produced in Germany under laboratory conditions. With high quality ingredients and under strict regulatory oversight, the three available formulas are created for very specific purposes, such as strengthening the immune system, fighting east infections, and helping with weight loss. To learn more about Kaya -biotics probiotics and the important topic of gut health, you can visit their website, Kaya, -biotics dot com. That's K A, Y A, -biotics dot com. Use the discount code people for ten dollars off your first purchase. Welcome back to the people's pharmacy. Terry Graydon I'm Joe Graydon. If you would like to purchase a CD of this show, you can call eight hundred seven three two two three three four today's show is one thousand one hundred seventy one that phone number eight hundred seven thirty to twenty three thirty four online at people's pharmacy dot com. You can also download the podcast from our website or were ever, you get your podcasts. People's pharmacy has brought to impart by Verizon a- an analytical laboratory providing home health tests for hormones gut health, and the micro bio, online at Verizon, a- dot com. We're talking today about a surprisingly common digestive tract condition called diver Tikolo sus. And it's cousin diver tick you lightness against his gastroenterologist, Robin check-in, doctor, Chad Ken is founder of the digestive center for wellness in Washington DC, and on faculty at Georgetown University hospital. She's written three books gutless the micro biomass Aleutian and the bloat cure. Dr Chuck, you're talking about, you know, really severe pain. And I have to tell you about the I can laugh now. It was a very unpleasant experience from last August. We were flying home from San Francisco to Raleigh Durham, North Carolina, and even before I got on the plane, I was in pretty significant, discomfort abdominal pain, and it just kept getting worse and worse, and it got so. So bad that I actually thought about telling the flight attendant that it would be a really good idea. If the pilot landed the plane, it was that bad. I mean, about us, you know, an eight maybe sometimes a nine on a one to ten scale, and then I thought this whole plane of people are going to be so angry with me. I'm just going to tough it out when we got home. We ended up in the emergency room, not surprisingly, they did a C T scan. And they said, oh, you are a classic case of into -ception. It's really rare in adults. Can you tell our listeners what that is? And why it's emergency. I'm ray. So it is an emergency ended is really rare an interception. It's hard to spouse to stay refers to win one part of the bowel Certa, hermits ton on the part of the bowel. And the meta fact is that causes. Bowel obstruction on when you have a bowel obstruction, it means that the products of digestion, can't get through not just any food, you might have eaten, but also the liquid but the bowel secreting all the time, the air that's being produced the gas that's being produced by the bacteria. So even if you're not eating anything it obstruction can still be a huge problem. So the interception the bottle twists into itself, and causes an obstruction and the bottle upstream to obstruct area starts to dilate dilated dilate. And if you don't do anything about it can pop. So, you know, I'm not surprised that you were considering asking the pilot to land the plane. I'm so glad it had a happy ending and you didn't have to make an emergency landing, and what did happen did it? Resolve on its own of did you need surgery during the, the surgeons arrived. And they said, this is not often all you need surgery. I had a being nine life home, which is what triggered the interception. And they. Removed everything and everything is fine. I lost about ten inches of my small intestine, but it resolved the problem, thank goodness. But, but it brings to everyone's attention how very serious abdominal pain, deserves treatment, maybe even emergency treatment and fortunately that, that took place, and I did recover, but that brings us back to this whole issue of diver, Tikolo sus, and, and more significantly diver tick you litis check can, I'm wondering if you can tell us what causes diver take your disease, and what do you do to treat diverticulitis? And how can we prevent it Terry there many hangs in the digestive world that are sort of multi factory that had lots of causes, the cheek Yetlis is one of those where one made cause, and that's not enough fiber a die. Diet, but his too low and five are and conversely, usually too high in animal protein and fat. So the typical western diet, lots of meat, not a lot of vegetables. If we look at parts of the world where people eat a lot of five or so, to give some numbers to the story in the US, we recommend a minimum of twenty five grams of fiber day for woman at thirty five grams for men, but most Americans are eating somewhere south of twelve grams of fiber day. Unfortunately, a lot of that fiber is in processed form. It's breakfast, cereal breads, and so on. It's not root vegetables and leafy greens. But if we travel across the globe, and we visit countries where people eat a lot of five are an awesome for economic reasons account afford to eat meat protein is expensive. So look at sub Saharan Africa. For example, in more rural populations where people are eating fifty and sixty grams of fiber, they have virtually no particular sus. They also have truly no Cohen. Cancer no-one find bowel disease, so they have really highly functioning gastrointestinal tracts. Now they have other things to worry about. They have cholera and malaria, on lots of other things. So their problem relate more communicable diseases. Whereas in the west based on our diet lifestyle have to worry more about non communicable diseases like David Tikolo system. Diabetes at cetera Annan case of Java looses. It's purely function of diet. And the reason high fiber diet is so protective is five of bulk sustained, it produces a nice big, bulky slow that the colon is able to easily expel when you're eating a western diet, low in fiber, you have a hard, small stool, and the sin Moi, cola, that end part of the Cologne, just above the rectum that part of the Cohen has to contract really vigorously to push out at small hard, western stool, and over time that continual vigorous contraction pushing straining leads to diver Tikolo service. And it also leads to him rides. Typically, which is why hemorrhoids and Davitti Closys are often fellow travelers. So the number one thing you can do is to increase the fiber near died. If you're concerned about Davos, people often say to me, oh, yes, my father, had it. My mother had it. My aunt had, it must be genetic not genetic, but we know that families tend to live in similar ways. And if your parents, eight a low fiber diet growing up chances, are you probably a low fiber diapering up to plus again, this is super common more than fifty percent of the population over fifty but not genetic related to lifestyle factors. Now want quick caveat for diver Tikolo SIS. A high fiber diet is really important for preventing progression for preventing growing more of these potholes, or for preventing it from developing the first place. But if you already have particular sus, and you think you're having an attack of diverticulitis, you wanna get rid of the fiber for that immediate period because. Want to rest, the bow, so have particular feed, lots of fiber to prevent diverticulitis and to prevent more diverticulitis from developing, but in the setting of an acute attack of diverticulitis, you wanna get rid of the fiber, and allow the colon to rest decompress. Now, if you have diverticulitis and you don't have the belly pain, and the or the fever, or any of the other signs of inflammation. You don't have symptoms. But, you know, you have diver tick, you're so you won't to go for that high fiber diet. Where do you find the fiber, you find the five are from the ground? So, you know, nutrition can be very confused, and you have to have an MD Anna, these days to sort of really understand. But I like to break it down for my patients because the truth is, it's not actually complicated. When you think about fiber hink about where the. Food came from was picked from a tree or a Bush are dug up from the ground versus did it come from the factory. So, for example, apple great came from an apple tree, applesauce typically from the factory potato from the ground potato chip from the factory. So if there's not a clear Bush plant that bears, it not a great source of fiber. So fiber lentils, Abaga lentils. Again, were harvested very different from a lentil chip or even a loaf of bread. There's no bread sheer plant or shrub. So in trying to distinguish because I tell you, the marketing is not a clever, you know, you see all the labels on the food, fifteen grams of fiber nine grams of protein looks great. But if you're eating food that doesn't have a label on it, even better so bag of sweet potato or peaches or Kayla cauliflower that you're buying the supermarket from the pharmacy market. Ideally doesn't even have any nutritional laboring on it naturally. What she going? So on process fiber from fruits, vegetables, nuts seeds legumes, right from the ground, ideally, Dr truck, and you just mentioned nuts and seeds. And I know that people who have had problems with diverticulitis one attack. Let's say and they've been diagnosed, they are given the diver tick, you lightest diet, which is basically forbidden fruits, nuts. Seeds stuff that quote unquote could get a lodged in those pockets, how good is the data to support that diet. And what do you recommend for people who have gone through this and never want to repeat that experience? Again, some of these harbor sort of difficult to digest things like baby carrots and partially pop popcorn. Born can be difficult nuts because they can sometimes have shopped edges, if you're gonna have not too should Sheu them really, really carefully. But I think these habits are really for people who've had a of diverticulitis been really sick as opposed to somebody just has diverged tequila says where their goal really is to massively ramp up the fiber, Duffy, check in our their medications for about of diverticulitis. Are there things that doctors prescribe, and are they helpful drugs that people should avoid while the remedies for diverticulitis are really for the secondary symptoms? Namely, the inflammation infection that one primarily antibiotics to help, if there's active infection now they're anti spas, Motic, set, people can sometimes use for symptoms, but there really isn't a drug to treat this whole syndrome of diversity LUSA sexually dietary therapy. But again in the setting of. A key driver took you litis on antibiotic IV hydration. If the patient's dehydrated if not been able to take in much by mouth, those things can be really helpful. And again, in terms of prevention, an apple a day, quite literally in this case that sounds like a actually a delicious way to prevent a problem. Now when we talk about anti-biotics, what comes to mind, is antibiotics are certainly necessary in some cases, but they can have very negative impact on the digestive tract because of their effect on the micro bio. Absolutely. And I'm so glad you mentioned microbiome or the micro bio, we're really referring to the same thing. One of my favorite topics, and the startling fact is that just five days of a broad spectrum antibiotic of type you would take for, let's say a fight infection or urinary tract infection at cetera can remove up to a of your gut bacteria? And no amount of probiotics is ever going to bring those species back with the same diversity add fullness, as when they were initially present so unto botox and most important thing is judicious use. None of us should be taking an antibiotic unless absolutely necessary in the case of severity of diverticulitis. You're sick. You have pain, fever, you wipeouts pound is elevated. You're in extremists. Absolutely antibiotic is a great idea. But, you know, you've got a little crampy pain and by the way, the pain, discomfort from Davidge ticky, low SIS. Or diverticulitis is usually on the left side, low down because that's where the signaled Cullen is some people have diver tickets throughout the colon. They can have a Donald payments more diffuse. They're eaten localized to the right side. But the vast majority of time will be low down on the left side or in the mid area. And in woman, they'll often confuse the pain of they have a urinary tract infection because signaled Kalinin woman sits pretty low down in the pelvis and it can be right in front of the pubic bone. And so if you start having pain down there, middle line, lowdown frequently women will think they're having a urinary tract infection. Sometimes if the sigma Cullen Israeli infla- into a diverticulitis it can actually retain the bladder. So there's fleet urination also. So I wanna make the point that if you're a woman out there, if you're having a urinary tract infection, it's always a good idea to get a urinalysis and urine culture never just to presumptively taken anti. Botic because it could be diver Tikolo, SIS, not even Ida. It could be just a very full colon. That's full of stolen all the potholes that's irritating things. Not a urinary tract infection. So Dr truckin you've mentioned that Ford by particular this, where people have a fever, and they're, they're in quite a bit of pain that an antibiotic Ecorse treatment would be appropriate. But I'd like to talk about some of the drugs that might actually make diver tick you low sus worse. And you mentioned the non-story anti inflammatory, drugs, people love, these medications ibuprofen naproxen, but they can be inflammatory in the bowel. But what about other drugs of, for example, some of the older fashioned antidepressants that people now take a lot of the time for insomnia, as a for example, or antihistamines that have what we call anti cholinergic activity and slow down the BAU activity are there problems. There. Are huge problems there, Joe still glad you mentioned antidepressants because of study from early this year in two thousand nineteen review study looked at a class of drugs called serotonin, reuptake, inhibitors, or commonly known as fsr is and s our eyes are prescribed to somewhere between ten and fifteen percent of the population, they're incredibly common medications in Houston, the US and this study did a complete review of the literature. And they found that people taking SRI's are at a Waffen forty percent increase likelihood of experiencing gastrointestinal bleeding, and oughta complications to they're at a higher risk of life threatening bleeding in the brain to. But for my purposes purposes today were more focused on bet. So this was really very startling, because again, these drums, wouldn't wanna ten Americans adult Americans are taking these drugs and many of the people taking these drugs. We talk. About more than fifty percent of the population having diverticulitis, and we spent a lot of time talking about devotee lightest, but the other thing that can happen, low SIS the sides inflammation, which has starved to colitis is bleeding, so even absence of ticket litis on inflamed diver titular are those pockets could lead and that happens because with a pothole, there's a little bit of thinning of the lining, Amdo, small, blood vessels are now closer to the surface and to something that causes a little bit of surface erosion like announced dreidel anti-inflammatory job or even going through the GI tract can cause bleed. And so now we know that people taking these SR is our at this incredibly increase your of bleeding. So it's really important to start connecting the dots. I like to tell my husband you new things but body is very logical. We see things happening. We think they fall out of the sti-, but so often if you trace those. Breadcrumbs back. You can see where the started to happen. And so is sort of a perfect storm air. Somebody is taking the Sarai also has davick yellow so that maybe also taking some ibuprofen some form of an end sad for me pain or something. And all of a sudden, they're having massive gastrointestinal bleeding, so really, really important. Remember, every drug that you take go through the digestive tract? Many of them are metabolized in the liver filtered through the kidney. But they all can potentially affect the GI tract. And some of them can have a really profound effect on the tracks, like the antibiotics, we talked about the effect on the microbiome on gut bacteria like SRI's, and the increased risk of intestinal bleeding, and like the nonce deride als with, again, the increase risk of inflammation of meeting. You're listening to Dr Robin Chuck, and she spender of the digested center for wellness in Washington DC, and on faculty Georgetown University hospital. After the break. We'll talk about the consequences of a low fiber, diet out how to protect the lining of your digestive track. Good. A crash course on heartburn and proton pump inhibitors. You'll also learn about fecal transplants and super poopers. What are the most important factors for good digestive health? You're listening to the people's pharmacy with Joe and Terry Graydon. This people's pharmacy podcast is brought to you in part by Verizon, a- dot com. 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You can also download the free podcasts from Apple's Stitcher, or from our web store, we invite you to consider writing a review. The people's pharmacy is brought to you in part by Hayek's probiotic products, made in Germany from certified organic ingredients. K A, Y A, -biotics dot com. We're talking today about digestive disorders, when your stomach hurts it gets your attention. What do you do? When you have heartburn. Earner diarrhea proton pump inhibitors like project or Prevot are very popular, but they have become controversial. When are they appropriate or guest is Dr Robin truckin? She's on the faculty, Georgetown University hospital and is founder of the digestive center for wellness in Washington DC. Dr Charleston is a board certified gastroenterologist, and the author of three books digestive health. The I was gut- bliss, which is also the name of her website. She's also written the microbiome solution, end the bloat, cure, Dr check in as we understand it. The colon is lined with mucus that the cells of the colon have created to protect themselves. If we don't provide our gut microbiome toe with enough fiber, do they start to chop on that mucus, Jay, do we actually start to auto digest ourselves Terry? It's really fascinating. Who's a public? Early this year in journal, call Sal and research able to show the impact of a low fiber diet in the gut, and the most important aspect of that impact is that they raise these special mice without any germs in. They studied the impact of different diets and also infecting the mice with different strains of bacteria, and the basic result of the study was that the mice who had a high fiber diet had a mucus layer that was nice of Fiqh on. Furthermore, when they infect to those mice with bacteria like E coli that usually caused. But infections, the infection really didn't take hold the fiber diet. Not only did it produce a nice thick mucus layer to protect the lining. But it was also protective against some of these GI infections which was really incredible. And then when they had my son, a low fiber diet, they saw that the mice were producing enzymes glycoprotein that the mice were producing. Enzymes that were capable of breaking down these, like proteins that a part of the mucus layer. So not only disa- fiber again. Protect the lining by forming nice Nukus. But it also provides a lot of protection against infection, and that was something we really weren't aware of the truckin. We've been talking about the lower digestive tract primarily the colon. But I'd like to just segue for a moment in this conversation about mucus to the stomach. You know, I was fortunate enough to have a class on physiology with one of the country's foremost, gastroenterologist physiologists, however, you wanna think of Dr Davenport at university of Michigan many, many decades ago. And Dr Davenport spent a lot of this career asking why the stomach doesn't digest itself. I mean when we think about hydrochloric acid and what a pow. Powerful acid that is and how it can basically dissolve away a penny. How is it that it doesn't dissolve away our stomach? And apparently, that's all because of mucus what can we do to protect their mucus? Not just in our colon, but also in our stomach, because we put things in there that aren't necessarily nice to that stomach lining like alcohol and non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs. What should we be doing so Joe and you mentioned a stomach climbing because it is, again, a great example of how the diet can help to reinforce a natural physiologic function, that's protected. So just like with the mucus layer on the call on for the stomach. We need a high fiber diet, to, to make sure that we have adequate protection there on, then you mentioned two important things avoiding alcohol, avoiding nonstarter anti-inflammatory drugs, when I'm winning all the things that most people aren't adjusting on a regular basis like a lie. I, for example, in household cleaners, and so on things like that, that can damage the me piss lining. We do see that certain 'Bacterial actually can have a detrimental effect on. I'm talking primarily about he'll back to pylori, H pylori when you have pelerin faction in his stomach that can possum damage to the lining into the mucus lining to. But for the most part, it really is really having a diet, that's high in fiber, and avoiding some of these things that are toxic to the digestive tract, and alcohol announced fun for drugs can affect the GI track throughout its entirety. So not just the Poland or the stomach, but the upper track the small intestine as well as large intestine will the wheat hero lot of confusion in the certain amount of anxiety about that acid in the stomach, because we have these proton pump inhibitors the these acids suppressors that are incredibly effective. And can help heal and also quite well, but a lot of our listeners say, but wait a minute. Won't we supposed to have acid in her stomach, isn't it necessary for digestion? And if we suppress acid, what are the consequences and some people even go so far as to say, you know, when I have heartburn, I take a little apple cider vinegar, and seemingly miraculously and counter intuitively, it, it helps with my heartburn. It doesn't work for everyone Joe. No, it doesn't so I'm kind of curious. Can you give us a crash course on acid in the stomach? And you know, PPI's versus apple cider vinegar for heartburn. I'd love to Joe. So first of all stomach acid is probably the most important component of Jijel digestion, wanna need many tabs stomach acids digest properly, and you don't have stomachache because you've been taking one of these potent inhibitors long-term for more than a few weeks at a time. These are incredibly efficient blocking stomach acids when you. Wannabes drugs for even a few days. You literally have no stomach acid, and what that means is that you are not absorbing nutrients optimally, as well as certain minerals. For example, calcium and magnesium are both sub optimally absorbed, when you on a proton pump inhibitor, and this can lead to low magnesium and it can also lead to issues with increased risk of fracture for the bones, because when you're not absorbing calcium properly, your now, what increased risk for us to process at such off, there can be certain kinds of Nimia, all fat soluble by the are absorbed, upstream in the GI tract. And that's bite. Amin's AD Tae. So when you're blocking stomach acid, you'll get sub optimal absorption of these any, perhaps just as importantly you're going to get older growth in imbalance of gut bacteria. Because normally as you go from north to south in the GI track from the mouse to Amos, the amount of gut bacteria increases, so the stomach isn't. Supposed to have a lot of bacteria, and what maintains it as a low bacterial environment is stomach acid. But when you block the stomach acid as drugs do so efficiently Naga get over growth of the wrong types of species. So there was a study, one of our GI journals, a few years ago that showed that being on a long-term pro time inhibitor is almost like being on a long term antibiotic in terms of the effects on your mic proviso. So these drugs are really problematic, and then, of course, have been other reports of these drugs long-term use being linked to things like kidney disease in heart disease. Even some reports of dementia. It's hard to causing affected some of these conditions there. Lots of things that can be contributing. But in terms of interfere with digestion, there's no question that these drugs dramatically into fair with digestion and absorption of nutrients minerals. Will when you talk about an imbalance of the gut microbiome, we have heard that small. Intestine, which isn't again supposed to have a lot of bacteria has some can become overgrown. And there's some thought that that may be associated with irritable, bowel syndrome. There is there's actually a term for that Terry CBO. Some people say five oh, I say, CBO S I B O, which stands for small test, no bacterial overgrowth. There's a strong association with long term use of PPI's, and CBO strong association with CBO as being one of the causes of audible Bal syndrome. Of course when you slice up the about syndrome pie. You see lots of different things, but she was one of the things that you see some again, you see, really the interconnectedness of all these things, and while pharmaceuticals can be life saving in life changing. They can also recap can McGaw as we've heard today, Dr chicken leave talked about antibiotics and how they kill off a lot of the microbes in our digestive tract. If we wanted to re estate. Publish are microbes. We might turn to a fecal microbiology transplant. Can you tell us about that please? And then tell us what about super poopers as donors for such transplant while Terry. Yes. Fecal macrobiotic transplant. Mt. As we affectionately call it refers to introducing actual feces, so taking a probiotic is taking my bacteria. But if I'm going one step farther. It's actually going direct to the source, taking actual stool, and introducing it into the gut I from below right into the colon during Coronado procedure or as equal animal, or sometimes above through a nasal gastric tube. But we can put in or they have been stool pills that people formulated that you can take. But, you know, that's a rather extreme form of therapy, and many, many people who would benefit from FM t would also benefit from just a significant dietary change. So Robinson, reintroduce organisms, you can just feed your existing organisms differently by again of a number Hiber, but for certain conditions and the classic one is kind of infection called clustered in difficile C difficile infection, where the bacteria grows out of control in the colon and it's treated typically by antibiotics, but a series of studies of years ago showed that FM t was actually more successful than antibiotics treating see death and the theory behind that is that when you reintroduce stool that's full of normal healthy backyard, it's simply crowds out the deaf and gets the infection onto control in my world. FM t's really exciting because I see a lot of patients with chronic autoimmune digestive diseases, name, the Crohn's disease else to Caracas, and they've been a number of fascinating studies that suggest that FM t could offer treatment, and even remission. Some of these patients. However, a lot of it is dependent on the stool. It's like any transplant? If you got a heart transplant or a kidney transplant or liver, transplant the success of a transplant is only as good as a health of orga will all still is not created equal. So if you're still donor for your FM t- fear still transplant has been eat fast food, every day, doesn't eat any vegetables and drinks, a lot of a lot of on a lot of different medication in his taking a lot of antibiotics. Your map gonna have a very robust effect versus. You've got the still donor who's plant based eating thirty forty fifty grams of fiber day, not on any medication really healthy, even better, if they're getting up doors and getting exposed more soil microbes, because that enhances their own micro bio, so, you know, we were a little bit naive and thinking that it doesn't matter get some stool, and pop it in there, and new research, suggests that stool from be so. Called super donors poopers have such a rich microbial diversity that Wendy use those, those samples. For fecal transplant. They have a much more significant impact could tick Yele on some of these chronic conditions like in find tree pile disease, multiple sclerosis are eating some trials now, looking at all timers at it's because they have high levels of certain bacteria that can really help to restore the microbial diversity. That's lost in a lot of these conditions tooken. How would we know whether we have a good microbial a good diversity, or because of the antibiotic we took for perhaps a an abscessed tooth or a skin infection that, that we've kind of messed things up, and that it hasn't returned to normal are there, any ways to determine the state of microbiome, you know, there are show, but the I'm all for NPR in the social. Scientists in lots of companies that do microbiome sequencing, but our -bility to really interpret this and say this is this is better. This is best is pretty limited. So it's like how, you know, you're healthy one way, is you could go to the doctor gets him supporting evidence. Well, you got your lipid panel. It looks pretty good. They checked your blood pressure. You blood sugar look Scud, but probably more important part of knowing whether you're healthiest how you feel, what's your energy level. Like what's your mood? Are you stiff for you Honey sleep at night? What are you bomb of Mets light? So these things are really probably more important markers than what the lab tests look like and one could argue the same is true for the microbiome because the testing is really in its infancy, and we don't really know yet what the perfect or the ideal might provide looks like it's sort, sorta like single. What does the perfect man or woman look like are they five at eleven or six foot four two? The one hundred. Fifty pounds or one hundred eighty pounds as a hair Brown black or blonde. So there's a lot of variation on. There's also a lot of adaptation within the microbiome. So sometimes we see changes, and we don't know whether it's 'cause or whether it's an adaptation, in judgment, to a certain environmental condition that it's actually helping Robin hindred. So while testing can be done. It's relatively cheap. You can get your microbiome sequenced under a hundred dollars for most of these commercially available companies the interpretation is still something, we're working on unencouraging people to do the testing because that allows us to build large databases and then to be able to look and figure out some of these microbial signatures, a lot of data, we know, for example, about the species changes in something like Crohn's disease. We know because we test a lot of people, but we're not yet at the point where we can look at my Kobi L sequencing sample. And we can predict whether that person has disease or not getting there. But we're not quite very at. Dr Tekken, what should our listeners think about as one of the most important factors for good digestive health? Terry, you ultimately are what you eat. And remember, you're just feeding yourself. You're feeding your trillions of microbes that live in an on your body, and veteran volved in every single bodily function. They're breaking down the food. They're synthesizing vitamins, and hormones that we make on our own their detoxifying compounds there, helping with every chaining our immune system, there, turning jeans on and off. So you've gotta feed them the right stuff or else they aren't going to be able to optimally and Watsa, right stuff. I think Michael pollen's said it best in his second words, eat food, not too much mostly plants, Dr oven chicken, thank you ever so much for talking with us on the people's pharmacy today. Always a pleasure, -tarian jail, you've been listening to guess through all Robin, shut c-can. That's CHU. T. K. A N. 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87 | Prebiotics & Probiotics 101: Your Questions, Answered!

Real Talk with Dana | Nutrition, Health

45:23 min | 1 year ago

87 | Prebiotics & Probiotics 101: Your Questions, Answered!

"Welcome back to the real talk with Dana podcast where we talk all things nutrition health fitness and mindset with a healthy side of sarcasm. I'm your host Dana Montes piece of real food with Sina nutritionists and body image coach teaching women how to heal their relationship with food and their bodies ditch the Diet cycle for good and truly thrive thrive with real food one delicious meal at a time a big thanks to just thrive health for sponsoring today's podcast Yup. You heard it. We have a new sponsor so just drive. Health is the first spore based probiotic and antioxidant supplement available on the retail market that arrives one hundred percent alive into your intestines so use the Code Dana Ten for ten percent discount off your order at just thrive health dot com. Hello Hello Hello. I'm back from Bali Holly. I hope you missed to me will actually I didn't really leave at all because there is a new episode for you guys every week anyway. Welcome back to the real talk with Dana podcast. I guess yes welcome back to myself to the United States after being in Bali for two weeks. I am currently working on some videos a podcast a blog post all of the the things for you guys to talk about Bali but today we are going to be talking about probiotics and prebiotics and we are going into manny manny of the questions that got you guys submitted over on Instagram. I got a bunch of my email. You guys have a lot of questions on probiotics and completely understandably probably because the waters are so murky in the research in the media in scientific literature in all of these things about probiotics so in today's episode. I'm trying to make sense of all of that stuff for you knowing that the research is also completely evolving every a couple of years but every couple of months so I'm going to tell you what I was able to discern from the research. That's currently out there. I'm going to tell you about some new research. That came came out last year. That's basically turning everybody. Topsy Turvy but again and tell you what's out there right now while keep an open mind that some of this information and might not be a hundred percent accurate in a couple of months or a year so if you guys have studies or if you have new information on probiotics or specific strands of products that you thank. Hey Dana would like to add this to her article. That would be great so anyway today. We're going to be talking about what are probiotics and prebiotics. What do they do. WHO MIGHT NEED THEM MM-HMM? How do you know what kinds to get. How much do you need how often you might. WanNa take them refrigerated versus shelf stable all of the things and like I said a a couple of things to note before we get started. I'm also not the number one expert in probiotics or even number ten and probably not even number one hundred because there's constantly so much new research that it's hard to be a I don't know if you want to call it like a high level expert unless you make it your job to specifically only research about gut health in probiotics and not much else that being said just like my olive oil in Capucho posts for you guys. I did do a lot of research on on this. You guys wouldn't have to honestly I'll probably have to constantly update the show notes for this which I'm also turning into a blog post so if you go on my blog all of the information contained in this podcast will be turned into a blog post season go back and reference it without having to listen to the show as new research comes up and if you guys find any really cool cutting edge research on probiotics or products for certain health conditions. Please send it my way Yup. You heard that right. This is my first official rule sponsor of the show so here's the thing because I know you probably hear a lot of different ads and sponsorships on other podcasts and stuff and sometimes they get completely annoying so here's the thing this show has been ad in sponsored free for almost two years now and almost one hundred episodes and it's frankly getting to the point. We're I need to be able to support the show monetarily so I can buy new equipment to make better quality audio for you guys to potentially hire someone to help with editing because this is a one woman show over here and just getting some general upgrades without making my life and my bank account a living hell so my promise to you you guys is multiple fold when it comes to these sponsorships and ads and stuff. I promise to only find sponsors that I enjoy and support their brands mission and products wchs ones that I think you will enjoy will actually be beneficial to your lives and that are also relevant to the show because don't you just hate those podcasts that look no shade to that but I get really annoyed when I'm listening to a podcast about a specific topic and then they have an ad that is completely irrelevant to what they're talking about like. Why is your show about. I don't know fiction books and your advertising like men's razors and mattresses anyways. I digress so if you've ever been wondering how you can support me or support the show show. This is a great way to do that in a very small way that can also get you some sweet discounts if you're interested in the brands that I happen to be talking about more thing before we get started talking about probiotics but I promise this is related so a general federal. PSA on supplements that you guys have heard me talk about before supplements. Dietary supplements are not regulated by the FDA in the US US probiotics can be regulated either as a food ingredient as a supplement or even as a drug. Most of the time probiotics are sold as dietary. Terry very supplements which means that they don't require FDA approval before they are marketed. This is where the waters become murky. How do I know if it's actually good. What do I look for the label. So the best thing that you can do here is look for a third party. Independent lab tested product that has been assured for its quality. Putin see see and purity so that you can ensure that you're getting what is advertised on the bottle and I like using sites like lab dot com emerson ecological and full all script that do their own testing so do your research and double check your labels too. We also want to talk about why probiotics are even even important in the first place so our bodies are made up of about ten trillion cells your microbiome includes bacteria viruses and fungi fungi that live inside and outside our bodies and our microbiome cells actually outnumber the number of human cells that we have by a factor of ten so actually more bacterial than we are humid which is kind of gross but definitely really enlightening when it comes to what we should be focusing on when we develop health issues news because the microbiome is not only responsible for whether we get sick or not how strong our immunity is whether or not our digestive system is working optimally optimally but it can also affect our mental abilities and tendencies example a tendency towards or depression or our cognitive function our food food cravings how a breakdown and tolerate certain foods. It's a lot and this is exactly why we need to be talking about probiotics because we're so much more bacterial than we are human and sometimes we need more of certain kinds of bacteria in order to help balance things out so what are probiotics in the first place place as defined by the WHO or the World Health. Organization's probiotics are live microorganisms that when administered administered in adequate amounts confer a health benefit on the host so let's break that down a little bit so probiotics are live microorganisms that that when are eaten in specific amounts are adequate amounts meaning you have to have enough of them will confer a specific health benefits so they are health-promoting to the host. We are hosts when we take probiotics and so then in order to be effective in providing some of these health benefits that I'm going to list soon. probiotic should survive passage through the stomach and the small intestine to reach the large intestine so that it can help colonize the small and large contested and the bacteria that live there it should produce short chain fatty acids from dietary fiber also known as prebiotics which will get into later maintain a COLONIC WANNA ph of about six AK when they get to pass through your intestine they should also prevent adherence of pathogens or parasites Candida East all the things to microbiome and then they should also adhere to Human Kalana sites or help repopulate or recolonize them so Kalana sites are the cells of the a large intestine that should also be having in the small intestine and then the combination of pre and probiotics has been shown to be preventative or reduce reduce the severity and Dan Duration of diarrhea and also ibs and many other things so now. We're going to talk about who may need probiotics but also if you couldn't tell already we're GONNA be talking a lot about poop today just so you know so get ready to get squeamish so there are thousands of studies documenting manning the benefits of probiotics including skin health gut health metabolic and cardiovascular health women's health performance in muscle recovery brain health basically whole body health. You need these things for everything but that doesn't always mean that you need to be taking probiotics. We're getting into that later so some of the main benefits of probiotics which by the way are already living in your body include helping modulate the immune system and keeping pathogenic organisms like parasites and viruses and yeast east overgrowth in check so who in particular main need supplemental probiotics anyone dealing with or having a history of love and get ready. I'm GonNa read all of these mood disorders like ADHD depression because of the gut brain connection there ninety percent of your Serotonin is made in your gut so also also if you have any kind of anxiety we want to be working on gut health so a topic conditions like food allergies true other non kind of food allergies. ECZEMA asthma digestive issues obviously all of the things constipation diarrhea belching gas bloating coated tongue chronic inflammation. I B I B ass. Ask diverticulitis gird. There's also an increased need for probiotics in pregnancy. Chronic infections may also do well to be supplemented. It was probiotics whether it's a digestive infections vaginal infection whether you got an infection from traveling outside the US autoimmune diseases food cravings binge eating saying if you currently eat a standard American diet then probiotics would be super helpful for you. There's also a whole `nother category of people. If you you have a history of using antibiotics frequently they may have completely decimated all of your gut bacteria and you're left kind of with a blank check which the problem with that is that there are now no good bacteria to fight off any opportunistic organisms like parasites or bad bacteria that it might come in so you might also need probiotics also if you've had any kind of food poisoning from undercooked meats or exposure to those kinds of pathogens pathogens inadequate fiber in the Diet because fiber is a prebiotic that you need to feed the probiotics again go into that later if you don't have a gallbladder ladder if you have low stomach acid if you have lactose intolerance so basically there are a lot of different situations where supplemental probiotics may be helpful for you disclaimer in all of this. I'm not telling you exactly what strand of probiotics to get exactly what kind exactly how much much you need to be taking that should all be determined by you working with your qualified healthcare provider or practitioner whether that's a nutritionist. It's a Dietitian. It's a doctor. It's someone that you're seeing that knows your unique health history your goals and all of your circumstances because you'll see this later in the podcast there are so many different formulations of probiotics that if you go to the grocery store or to CVS GNC or wherever you go and you just ask the person's. That's that's working. There is like hey I need a probiotic. There's like a probably a one in one million. Maybe a hundred chance that that is the specific perfect probiotic. That's going to work well for you so would highly recommend asking a qualified professional now we're. GonNa talk about probiotics so as defined by the WHO again. A pre biotic is a substrate that is selectively utilized by host microorganisms conferring a health benefit so that means like absolutely nothing right in Layman's terms that means it's food for your gut bacteria that are in the gut already so unlike probiotics which are introducing other types of bacterial strains into the or helping repopulate certain bacterial strains in the got prebiotics are most commonly non digestible fibers because does your gut microbial is mainly in your intestines so you want those fibers to be able to pass through your acidic stomach environment to get to the good gut bugs in the small intestine to feed them so the most common types of product foods are fibers and ones that are hard to break down for the body so that they can pass through the stomach and get through the small intestine and help colonize with the bacteria that are being provided by the probiotics by feeding them so things like Green Bananas and Green Banana Flower Green plantains cassava or Yuca him Hickama cooked and cooled potatoes as well as cooked and cooled rice because these two things develop more resistant starch as they are cooled in the refrigerator so pretty cool also onions leeks garlic asparagus apples flaxseed some obscure ones like Jerusalem artichokes folks and chicory root and this is also not an exhaustive list and remember. I'm going to put this in the show notes to see you. Don't have to write all that down and then the most common types of providers except laments so not coming from foods are get ready for this fructose oligosaccharides also known as F s which are the F. and Fahd map in Ulan galactosyl oligosaccharides also his G. O. S. and partially hydrolysed what Guar so P. H. G. G. C. Even I have trouble saying these things too so those are the difference between pre Roddick Foods and probiotic supplements in general we would all do better except with certain an digestive health conditions to eat more fiber to regulate your bells and to eat more prebiotics to help with the probiotics that are already ready in your system. Most commonly prebiotics supplements are going to be recommended to people who are trying to recolonize their gut bacteria or who have low levels of gut bacteria so that you can feed those in higher therapeutic doses rather than just eating prebiotic foods and then I guess they didn't talk about probiotic foods but I have a whole post about this so I did a whole post about Kombucha when Owen and other things that are included in the probiotic Bayada Foods list are fermented foods like Sauerkraut refrigerated pickles fermented cabbage other kinds of fermented vegetables. Kimchi the Natto what else am I forgetting here. really anything outbreak duck caviar or fast and then like fermented did dairy products but if you don't do well with dairy then maybe yogurt is not the best probiotic source for you which is totally okay now now that we've done like the general health information. I'M GONNA take a lot of your questions from instagram here. Were mostly talking about probiotics. I'm not going to be talking about prebiotics as much and you're going to hate this answer but the answer to many if not all of these questions are one it depends and to work with a qualified allied healthcare provider determine what is right for you and your unique condition and circumstances because if I recommended one or even two or three strands of probiotics in these specific amounts to everyone it might work for three of you maybe six twelve fourteen twenty but not all of you and it would be irresponsible irresponsible of me as a practitioner to recommend that because that would just be incorrect so if there's anyone out there who saying this is the one probiotic for everyone. That's probably wrong and they're probably trying to sell you something so just keep that in mind okay first question from instagram. How do you know what probiotics you need if anything how. How much should you be taking a high. You're GONNA hate me. It depends so when you're looking at studies you can see therapeutic benefit depending on the health condition of anywhere anywhere from two billion. CFU's to three point six trillion CFU's at very high doses of one product. That's called ESL three which is an extremely high potency probiotic medical food so CFU's is the unit of measurement for probiotics and colony forming units and and more does not necessarily equal better in probiotic dosing in generally healthy person you might want to start as your daily dose of between ten and thirty billion CFU's daily and you might WanNa start low and your work your way up to their if you take a high dose of a probiotic or even even if you just take one ten million or ten billions are I see if you probiotic and you know a lot of gas and bloating. You might just have to work if your way up to that if you work your way up to that and you're still experiencing that gas and bloating. That's a really good indication that there is an imbalance in your gut bacteria and there some underlying underlying health condition that we're going to need to work on or you're just hasn't had probiotics in a really long time and you need to repopulate it or you might need a different strand or different specific strands based on your unique snowflake of composition so what are are the different kinds of probiotics. When you see a probiotic listed on a label it should have three different names. Basically the first one is the genus the second one is a species and the third one is the stream of the probiotics so really commonly. You're only going to see one or two names news so you'll see lactobacillus is a really common one so lactobacillus would be the genus a lot of times people see lactobacillus acid awfulness which is commonly founding founding yogurt but that's not actually listing the specific strain of lactobacillus acid office so here's an example lactobacillus. Sula Ram noses G G can help in preventing antibiotic Associated Diarrhea C. Diff treatment and promoting intestinal barrier function but different lactobacillus species and strains can help with different things and even the various strains of lactobacillus. Taylor Ceram know sis are completely different than Lactobacillus from noses G G specifically so I also found a fantastic article on why probiotic extremes are important and the best probiotic strains on the market so I'm going to include that in the show notes for you guys and then what about how often should you take them. Can you take them temporarily or do they need to be a part of your daily routine shooting them in the morning you take him at night should've taken with food or shooting them without food so again. It depends sorry a lot of the time. When you get a good quality probiotic it will tell you if you should take it with food or without food. If if you WANNA see effectiveness in a probiotic it's not like a one and done type deal. Normally you need to take them on a daily basis for a couple of weeks. If not a couple of months depending on where you're coming from in order to see either a reduction in symptoms that you're looking for or better bowel movements or whatever it is and then what should you do if you can't handle taking them so one of listeners ask like what if you have stomach pain or disaster pants which I love that thank you for using my lingo great so if probiotics make you feel worse every time that you take them or and this includes probiotic foods as well this this might be an indicator like I said before that something else is going on so for example in CBO or a small intestinal bacterial overgrowth if you eat probiotic foods or if you take probiotics and the give us severe bloating. That's not going to end well. It's because the beneficial probiotics that you're taking are not beneficial unofficial for you because they're good for the CBO so they're feeding the CBO and they're making you have disaster pants at a lot of bloating so that's not a good condition to have oh. That's a situation where you need to see your healthcare provider because CBO sucks in. It's really hard to get rid off but that doesn't mean that you automatically have CBO if you have gas and bloating. Please don't say that I said that they're plenty of other health issues that you might see if you are having a lot of continued issues with taking probiotics or like I said before your stomach might just not be used to them. What I would do is start with a much smaller dose and see if that still gives you issues if it does still give view issues. Try a different strand. If that also gives you issues then we definitely have a problem going on and then the next logical question is how do I know if I I am benefiting from the probiotics so this also depends ha ha. You'RE GONNA hate me by the end of this so you want to think about about what are the benefits that you are trying to get from taking the probiotics so if your digestion is irregular if you don't go at least once a day if you start it's about to get graphic if you have diarrhea or if you have constipation you want to tend more towards the diarrhea you. WanNa tend towards more firm stools with the constipation you WANNA tend towards going to the bathroom more having more bowel movements and having complete and softer bowel movements so oh those are things that you can look for and then if you're looking for example for improvements in skin health if you have a lot of acne if you have cystic acne hormonal acne you can look for for improvements in that. I will say the difference in digestive habits will be noticeable sooner than it will be in your skin composition just because it takes. It's a little bit longer for that to happen time for a break with you about all the scientific jargon and stuff in probiotics just kidding because today's show sponsor is as a probiotic and provide a company too so here's the earth. That's a pretty sweeter th you might say no just kidding so we've been talking a lot about probiotics addicts today and you're probably wondering what kind of probiotics. St You actually use Dana well. Let's say you're about to go on a tropical vacation to a country entry. That has a questionable water supply. Actually you know it's not clean and you're not allowed to drink. It and you're also not sure about how safe or sanitary the food is going to be when you get get there or how well your stomach may or may not hold up to it given your past of getting a parasite when you went to the Dominican Republic four or five years ago. Oh wait. I'm talking about me. This actually happened to me and say you have all those things going on and you're getting really stressed about it. You don't want some. Gi Issues to ruin your amazing too weak a tropical vacation getaway to Bali and you also don't want to be constantly anxious the whole time worrying whether or not something is going to wreck your gut health and your digestion during in your vacation because that kind of takes you out of the moment of enjoying your beautiful tropical vacation you know so what can you do well a big part of what I did before my recent trip to Bali to build up my gut health was to do that and taking probiotics from just thrive health before during and even after going on the trip so I've been taking them for a week since I got back with a very high quality probiotic and now that you've been listening to the first half of the show. You probably know that it's important to get a probiotic probiotic. That's actually going to survive all the way through to your intestines instead of when it just hits your tongue and when it's going through your stomach so getting a soil based probiotic is a good way to do that and just thrive health has exactly that one and they are also shelf stable which means that it doesn't have to be refrigerated so it's really easy to travel with which is great and so they not only have probiotics but they just came out with a line of both prebiotics and vitamin K two seven which is a specific subtype of Vitamin K. A two that is essential to support a healthy heart healthy circulation to your brain and your bones and your nerves and all of the good things so aside from all of that all of their formulations is are all natural non. GMO and made without soy dairy sugar salt corn tree nuts or gluten basically free of all of the allergens and things which is obviously important to me as someone who has CEAC an still struggles to digest dairy sometimes because you don't want your probiotic and prebiotic supplements which are taking to improve the health of your got but to actually give you good issues because that would kind of defeat the purpose now wouldn't it so if you're interested in improving your gut health or if you're either preparing for a trip or coming back from one in just needs some help be sure to check out just thrive health dot com and use the Code Dana Ten at checkout for ten percent off of your purchase now. Let's get back to the next Ext.. Okay now. We're GONNA talk about winter probiotics the most useful and here here's also when the waters get a little burkey so let's talk about antibiotics because what happens will take anti -biotics break the word down anti -biotics means living organism right so anti living organism means when you take an antibiotic. It's going to wipe out a lot of your gut bacteria. If you take a broad spectrum antibiotic attic or multiple rounds of abroad spectrum antibiotic then you're looking at pretty much like an atomic bomb in your intestines that wipes out a lot of your you're good bacteria. There are couple of issues that arise with this. If you don't repopulate with good bacteria soon or allow your body to heal bill and all of those things that means it's an opportunity for bad good bacteria and I say you know bad in quotes. Meeting parasites or pathogens viruses says other kinds of illnesses to come on in there and be like this is my turf. I'm not letting the good guys in and then basically it turns into like a no-man's-land standoff and you start having gas and diarrhea and bloating and all of the things that you start manifesting other symptoms and basically it sucks so the answer to the question of of should I be taking probiotics with my antibiotics or should I be taking probiotics after my round of antibiotics used to be a resounding yes yes not necessarily any more so there has been a lot of research on different various strands of probiotics saccharomyces. Bernardi lactobacillus Ram noces gee-gee like I mentioned before and visit bio as being extremely effective in preventing antibiotic induced diarrhea area and preventing patients who went on antibiotics from an overgrowth of Yeast Candida or other opportunistic pathogens again. Yikes bedbugs colonizing the Gut following the round of antibiotics however so last year a pretty big study came out that really shook look up this industry and Chris Presser went into great detail on a podcast on this Meta analysis which is a research study that came out last year talking about how probiotics following being a course of antibiotics specifically to broad spectrum antibiotics that are commonly prescribed for the treatment of parasites that are known to basically carpet bomb longer micro-biology may actually delay the recovery of the microbiome for up to five months not enhance it when compared to a control group that took the antibiotics attics but not the probiotics following the antibiotics but before you freak out there are a lot of holes in this study two for one it hasn't been replicated and yet so we're not sure if this will actually happen again in a controlled environment or not and then we also don't know what the findings would have been with different antibiotics -biotics with a different probiotic combination etc so we can't say for sure just based on this study that taking probiotics following antibiotics isn't helpful well at all or is harmful for the microbial. It really just means that we need more research and you can't say that yes a hundred percent of the time with every single antibiotic that probiotic very vague general term is going to be very helpful in repopulating eating your gut bacteria to where it was before. You took the antibiotics personally with most of my clients and in my personal life. If I am going to be taking a round round of antibiotics I am definitely going to be taking something like sacrificies. Bul already or lactobacillus from noses G G because I know that it's helped me personally before however again. That's something that you should talk to your qualified healthcare professional about so what you can do though and this is what this is a general recommendation post-surgery surgery post antibiotics post gut issues and then taking antibiotics for this got issues. I would definitely include probiotic rich foods like Khumbu. You Trust our crowd. Kimchi fermented vegetables pickles refrigerated to help rebuild the good gut bacteria after taking antibiotics because let's be honest. Nature knows best. I O K hope. This hasn't been too much scientific jargon for you. I'm really doing my best to break this down in an easy to understand way so would love your feedback on this podcast on whether I did a good job with that or not because I plan on doing more episodes similar to this in the future on different kinds of things depending on what you guys want to learn about so let me know now. We're GONNA talk about the types of probiotics so what about refrigerated or shelf stable probiotics are the ones that are refrigerated always better than the shelf stable ones. How can you travel with them if they have to be refrigerated. The easy answer to that last question is trouble with ones that are soil base that don't view to be refrigerated so like I mentioned before soil based probiotics are generally shelf stable and strong enough to pass through the stomach to the small intestine and without being damaged which is great so there are certain non soil based probiotics that at extremely high potencies definitely need to be refrigerated to maintain retain that prudency like okay imagine if you're shelling out which some people do a hundred dollars or more on a bottle of probiotics if it tells you to refrigerate that thing or honestly even even if it doesn't I probably would just because I just shelled out a bunch of cash on that thing and I don't want anything like heat to damage it or light or anything like that so refrigeration indefinitely extend shelf-life so if you have one bottle for a couple of months or you have that really expensive one you may want to refrigerate it other raw probiotic cultures like those from the bread garden of life advertise that they have to be kept refrigerated to ensure potency Z so that way. The company says that they can guarantee the potency is the same from the moment is packaged to the moment it hits your tongue but here's my question they don't say say and this isn't just garden of life this a lot of things they don't say until it hits your small intestine which is where where the probiotics are working so what happens after quote the moment it hits your tongue. Does it actually survive the stomach. I'm honestly we still looking for a solid resounding yes or no for non soil based probiotics because according to the Cleveland Clinic there are specific strands of probiotics that are very a fragile and should be refrigerated because they're sensitive to light heat moisture and oxygen which could damage the viability of those probiotics before they even get to the small intestine so the specific strands of these which you might recognize our try and go slow here so you can hear me. lactobacillus acid awful is commonly found in Yogurt lactobacillus Keiser locher from pronouncing that right bifida bacterium. Betham bifida bacterium adolescent listen tees. Yes it definitely looks like adolescence. bifida bacteria umbrella bitter bacteria and long and SACCHAROMYCES. Bul Artie so these provide extremes according to the Cleveland Clinic need to be refrigerated so that they remain viable until they're consumed and until the person can derive full benefit from them so always check your labels to see if your probiotics need to be refrigerated but refrigerated does not necessarily mean that they are better so so Dr Vincent Pedra which I hope I'm pronouncing his name right. He's a good health specialist and the author of happy. Gut He explained in an interview with Crohn's dot com that probiotic supplements are tested to ensure that they maintain potency through their expiration. Dave regardless of whether or not they're shelf stable or meant to be refrigerated in other other words. A probiotic billed as containing fifty billion. CF You might leave the factory with two hundred billion CFU's some of which are expected to die off over time so while refrigeration may slow down the loss of the live active cultures and probiotic supplements shelf stable probiotic should have enough culture is is to stay fresh at least through the expiration date on the bottle so he also argues that probiotics requiring refrigeration may actually be less effective than the ones. Let's say they should be refrigerated and I've also heard this from a few other sources including the sponsor of the podcast day before I ever agreed to work with them so they say that if if the culture's can't survive at room temperature in the grocery store. How are they going to survive the ninety eight point six degree internal temperature of our bodies. Let let alone a Ph of one point three in the stomach so I for one would love to see more research on this again. There's evidence on both sides. I'm not sure what the answer is. So then what about soil versus spore based probiotics so spore forming or ground based probiotics that are not soil based. Maybe more effective than others because the endo spores beating spore based that either encapsulate or protect the strains are highly resistant to the Ph of the stomach acid acid- which may result in a higher delivery output of the probiotics to the small intestine again more research to be done here too. I'm sorry if this podcast is confusing. You guys is more than giving you know man. I totally understand if you need a pause this podcast at any point and take a break and take your dog dog for a walk and not listened to all of this scientific stuff however I am going to create this as a blog post also gonNA post all all of this stuff in the show notes so you guys will have it too so you can always come back to it and heck you can always pause the podcasts and come back so then what about probiotic supplements versus probiotic had a cruise and fermented foods is getting probiotics from your food enough. it depends I would say for a generally a healthy person. Yes it is enough to get probiotics from foods except with certain health conditions or times in your life when your gut needs a little bit more health see above above with the like thirty different health conditions that I listed off and my other question which I haven't been able of find the answer to is the there's been a trend in the past couple of years especially because I go to natural products expo of a lot of companies pudding probiotics like in their snack foods so they're basically becoming processed foods even if they're healthier quote healthier processed foods foods with probiotic ingredients so then my question is does that even matter like do the probiotics even survive in the processing. Maybe maybe what they're putting on. The labels of the packages is like the probiotics thought exist at the beginning of processing but then what about the end and what about this shelf life what about when you actually eat them. Sometimes I say to my clients like if you're not absorbing your supplements. You're basically creating expensive. P and I wonder if this this is the same kind of scenario because if these companies are charging you more because it says there are probiotics in these foods on the label say chips or bars or whatever it is are they actually just creating more expensive processed food. That's not actually delivering the health benefits that they say could. I don't know the answer to that. Okay we are getting to the end here on probiotics and then I have a couple of random questions. So how can you find research providing providing probiotics targeted towards certain health conditions for example how to find reliable info and what kinds of probiotics take for anxiety so couple of different directions you going going here. I would recommend looking on pubmed if you know how to read research studies and look for Meta analysis or Meta analyses not single research studies studies so then you'd be able to see a compilation of a bunch of different studies to see if they've been able to come to generalize conclusion of Yes. All of these studies have have shown that this probiotic is beneficial for anxiety and the should usually tell you exactly the genus the strain and all of those three names and then they should also probably tell you a dosage but you can also do is fine specialist that focuses on gut health and the fill in the blank health condition that you are dealing with so for example if you're looking for someone who specializes in anxiety you wanna look for someone who specializes in got got health and anxiety because really if they're nutrition practitioner that specializes in anxiety they should also be a specialist gut health because there's such a huge connection between the two with the gut brain connection the other thing that you can do just in general is a couple of good resources are Chris Kreider Chris Master John the Paleo mom mom she talks about probiotics auto immunity a couple of books like The microbiome solution with Dr Robin Chonkin and a good general at health book kind of like a get started guide is go with your gut by Robin Utilise who is an institute for Integrative Nutrition graduate. Okay next question do I suggest pre three and probiotics for IBS or irritable Bowel Syndrome. Yes so there are a bunch of different kinds. IBS is probably the most frequently frequently studied health condition in which probiotics are very helpful and it's been shown in many many studies probably thousands of this point the specific strands of probiotics can be very helpful for diarrhea constipation alternating all different kinds of IBS. Here's the thing though is with IBS. You WanNa be really careful with prebiotics because if you have diarrhea dominant ibs it's usually a male absorption issue. PREBIOTICS can actually make the problem worse if however you have constipation not dominant. IBS prebiotics may actually be helpful with a combination the nation of drinking more water eating more healthy fats that basically can act as a lubricant to the digestive enzymes in addition to the additional additional fiber from the prebiotic foods like trotting in the cold rice trotting in the cold potatoes. Green Plantations Means Green Bananas all those different kinds of things that can help move things along in terms of what specific strands are best for the very specific acidic health conditions that you guys asked me about I'm currently working on creating a document based on a lot of research that I'm currently he doing where I'm going to try and compile a list of specific strands of probiotics that have been shown to be helpful in certain health conditions bear in mind. This is probably going to take me a while because there's so much research out there and I'm also going to try and reach out to all of my practitioner friends and people people that I've met through the podcast to get their input and what's worked well for them and their clients to try and put this list together that being said even what I do. Put this list together. If I decide side to release it you have to keep in mind that this general health information and this is not me making a specific recommendation for you what I would do is if and when you find this information you can take it with you to your doctor your Dietitian nutritionist and say hey here are the research studies that show that what for example this specific probiotic strand has been shown to be helpful for anxiety or depression or IBS and take it into your own. He ends to do your own research because like I said before. The research on this stuff is constantly evolving to the point where it's really really hard to keep up with everything like I only graduated from Grad school almost three years ago and already all the information that is out there about probiotics is changing so much already that it almost seems seems like a lot of this stuff that I learned in schools like wow this is. This is completely different in it's kind of unnerving how fast science and nutrition changes also super cool. It just means if you're GONNA be practitioner. That is on top of your shit. You really have to be on top of it with the research and then I got a couple of other questions about digestive just enzymes and I have an entire blog post on computer. I answered a lot of questions about it so I link that in the show notes. I think digestive enzymes can be very helpful for people with digestive issues in assimilating and breaking down your food. There are many different types of identity enzymes honestly might have to do an entire podcast on just event times but in general if you look for a broad spectrum digestive enzyme there's going to be one. That's just enzymes. Zayn and some of them have HCL or Betaine HCl which is your stomach acid in them. This can be helpful for people with low stomach acid but you can't recommended to everyone because not everyone has low stomach acid and it can actually create a burning sensation when you take that if you have optimal levels of stomach acid or high stomach acids so do not take those unless you're qualified healthcare professional says you should so. 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Lush Cosmetics: Mark Constantine

How I Built This

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Lush Cosmetics: Mark Constantine

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You were a millionaire and you had lost all of it. And you were also in debt, and now you're forty two. You've got three kids. Why eldest son took me to one side seven On. Suggested well. Do you not think you should gap proper job. And what did you think? I said well, I think I've got a skill set that such that if I can mock it, I can make a little money again. He. He sort of nodded sagely at seven. Let me do it. Running, Vr, it's how I built this show about. Entrepreneurship idealists and the stories behind the movements. I'm guy is on the show today how Martin Constantine and his partners emerged from a failed business to launch a little cosmetic store that turned into a global beauty BRAC. Lush. Back. In nineteen ninety-five I was studying in London my sister. Karen. Came to visit me that year. She'd been to London before. So on her visit, she was the guide we traveled through the market stalls Candan lock we picked up some indie records at rough trade and made a special trip to covent garden to visit a newly open shop. Called Lush I hadn't heard of it but my sister had instructions from all friends back in L. A.. Get me stuff from. Lush. Now at the time, it was one of two lush locations in the world, and this is before e commerce. So unless you went to the store, you couldn't get the products. Remember the overpowering smell of roses and lavender and honey and lemon I remember these long loaves of colorful soap laid out on tables where you could slice off a Chonkin pay for it. By weight there were bath bombs and shampoos and lotions. It looked like the produce department at a fancy grocery store. You didn't see a whole lot of plastic packaging and in front of each product, you'd find a bright colorful chalkboard with a description. It was unlike any beauty product store I had ever seen. And it probably explains why then There was a line to get in. Lush was part of a new wave of beauty companies that came onto the scene around that time. Many of them influenced by the body shock and it's iconic founder Anita Roddick who as you will hear features prominently in this story is well. The main founder of Lush Mark Constantine had already seen incredible success and then catastrophic failure by the time he launched his venture. In fact, right before mark. Open Lush. He's lost most of his money on a mail order business that went bust. But. Lush turned his fortunes. And and today it's a brand with more than nine hundred stores around the world. Now, in recent months, the pandemic has hit the company hard. For time all of its stores in the UK, the US and Australia were closed. But. Lush has also seen a massive surge in online orders and later on, we'll get an update on how mark and the company have navigated the pandemic and the global economic fallout. But first a little bit about mark's background. He grew up in weymouth seaside town in the south of England. When he was only two years old his dad's split from the family and went off to Africa and mark never saw him again while he was growing up. And his mother. She took mark and moved in with her mother marks Grandma. It was me my mom, my grandmother who really brought me up a my aunt. So. I was really bored three. Yeah. What did your mom do? She was a journalist in the local newspaper on I knew my mom had to work in order for us to to be okay. It was very, very comfortable life full of love and hugs and security. My mom was always there and I love my nine I looked up to my nine and so it was comfortable. Very nice. Obey. Feminine Life I've felt. Spoilt To be honest, obviously, my nine drilled into me the proper values as well. with proverbs and all sorts of other things you know I I had to rights repeatedly better best never them rest till. My good is better. My better best things like that. But then I guess. Around the time you were twelve. So you like you stopped living with your grandmother like Yulia mom moved out. what happened was they there was larger a my mother married the lawyer we moved to my grandmother died. I didn't realize probably until much later in my life high much that'd affected me I felt responsible. I think from my grandmother's death for most of my life because obviously I was important to her and I wasn't there anymore and I couldn't after her and she died on then my my stepfather was. Very, cold I would say and violent. But that's very typical upbringing fifties because they'd come is war gentlemen. There was a lost friends some of them had seen that friends killed or relatives and So it was you know not surprising that those people were bringing up my generation went all the best balanced people in the world. What kind of I mean what kind of kid were you? What do you remember about how you responded to those circumstances? Did you I don't know retreat into yourself or did you act out? Did you fight with your mom? What do you remember or didn't fire my mom but I force a lot with my Stepdad physical fights and they would argue we would all argue. It was just I want to say unsatisfactory which doesn't side like this is like a strange word to use it but. Certainly when I came to build my own home I, for example, never locked the front door. You know I I make an effort on those smaller things that tell people that they wanted to. Careful. Kid were you at school? Are you could student? School was still difficult for. Really. Was it was just heart for you. I. Mean there were a lot of gangs. Gangs were normal in the fifties for for everyone there were lots of gang. So I went to the grammar school, which was the best school in. The top ten percents shoots went to the grammar school. Everyone's surprise when I got in. And then I wasted it while I. was there except that I did make friends and we were in particular gang where we could make. Bombs and things. Can. Make bombs. What we were the news like. PIPEBOMBS. They were we killing sugar bombs with batons permanganate. Glycerin Fuses also savings on we went making them for the IRA season, the Perron purposes to intimidate other gang. Was that William. Golding. Lord of the flies Yup that period of time. So if you can imagine that style of of living when that's how it was about for me on those to physical. Yeah. So I'm not going to fight anyone if I can possibly avoid fighter. No, I talked my way. I'd. Martini, think around the age where you kind of you know these many things are happening. Do you remember being sad when you were a kid or or yes you do every when I seen people sins that was one girl who I went to school have called Al's Cox and I saw some twenty years later and she said so glad you're life work tight well was such a sad child out you know I mean I, missed my father even though I'd never known him. I, think I was melancholy. Use Traditional. Old fashioned word. Yeah. I mean, my mother missed my father I missed my father I suspect I caught it from her. JEREMY AS A. Medium as it were. Up until I was ten twelve or whatever it was, it was fine from then on there were five or six year period of my life, which was not fine. When you were. In, school as a boy you. At one point had some kind of. Some. Kind of argument or something happened with with your your mom and your Stepdad you think you're sixteen and you you left the house or you were locked out of the house. and. That was it like you used to living there. What do you remember what happened? So do I remember what happened? No, but what I do remember? Is the very singular way you feel when nobody cares. It didn't matter what time I got in at night. It didn't matter whether I was there not. Nothing mattered with regard to me. So when you're rebelling obviously is important that the other person has has some feeling regarding you. But there was no discernible feeling. I I can't remember what happened. Physically remember the door being locked I. Remember it being the end of the of everything connects you that is and I just took it as the ultimate rejection of when. I didn't try to fight back all go back in. Later, on and have a conversation on anything I just went on on there was just this party and the waste that was eight and. My mom say seven years. And stirring that time what you slept it at like different people's houses and I read you even camped out in the woods sometimes yes. So I couldn't afford the cheapest room in line. So basically, I slept in the woods or I just can't surf so which wasn't a thing those no. It didn't have in this is we're talking about the sixties now the late sixties. Basically I would sleep in one friends screen I saw I'm I had to go who to who is now my wife and I would just go and stay her. For a night I stay with my friend, Jeff. And quite often his parents will put me up. Other people were. Kind. Yeah. By the way were you working at the time? Did did you have a job? I had a job as an apprentice hairdresser. Paid to Pines ten shillings Thursdays. So I don't know you can come up with that was that was truly great a week but then I decided I wanted to do theatrical makeup is what I wanted to do for a living wanted to make people up for the theater. I done it at school I've done it for other schools We were talking about the share excitement to be able to change appearances I'm we were talking. About the excitement of being able to experiment with different products on your face, and I was buying these makeup items from the local hairdressing salon. I'm so I would go there every Saturday with whatever money I had would by frothing blood capsules or plastic in a plastic, all the latest pathetic that were coming in from the states. So I was really obsessed from that time, and then the hairdressing was just for me a means to an end. So I it sounds like even at that point. Like, you had a plan like a like a pretty clear ambition I think when you have to survive from zero. Oversee there's more drive isn't there I mean yeah I look photos of myself and my early twenties and I see this fleet driven person I mean. Just, driven laps driven I. Suppose you know if you if you left, you know if you've got to look after yourself. Teaches yourself for lions? See your between. Around, the sixteen and eventually around that time you meet Mo the the person who eventually become your wife you are still married to today you meet Jeff who is you knew, Jeff Jeff already childhood was a best friend. So talking about class systems. I lived in the middle class estate on one side of the road where people own the highs on Jeffrey lived on the other side of the street In the Hisen you rented from the Council, we call them canceled plants. Yeah? So he would have been in the lower in the lower belongs on the first thing I learned when they put me up when they had absolutely nothing was the general Steve Spirit of in comparison to the other side of the Strait, right? Yeah. The the the kindness and the car and the thoughtfulness and the charity. They were all great lessons for me and they stayed with me all my life. See. You were training as an apprentice hairdresser. Nineteen Seventy two, you are twenty years, old you and mow your then girlfriend soon to be wife and Jeff your best friend. You over to London and you get a job as a hairdresser. In a pretty actually a pretty relatively high end salon, right? Yes. Well. That was Elizabeth Arden I worked for Elizabeth, Arden. Red Door it was a big Salam with over a hundred stop a two hundred staff in it now, and you were working there as as mainly just doing whatever washing hair washing. He wasn't doing much else. I was learning stuff what they call improve. That was the term used at the time and improve. So you winton apprentice but you went address or either. So basically, I would accompany headrest when they had to go to do the. The theater or I would go on volks shoot but I would be the runner I. Imagine I was thinking like a London in the early seventies like the rolling stones living in. Chelsea you know like that kind of For my points of view I was on that sort of below stairs angle. So I was in service really to the various people and saw that other side quite a lot of the people I. was working with drug addicts because nobody really understood the the severity of drugs said they experimented and then they got the wrong side of it all and drug taking what I remember predominantly not the fun side of it. Yeah. I just remember a lot of a lot of sad sad stuff going on really did you ever own when you were when I mean when you were young guy living in London you ever experiment with drugs No. Coast couldn't afford them. You know I had no money I. Sit next to sit between two people I mean I would say although there was general there was a low general. Stephen. Drugs. My education was purely. So I guess at a certain point, you move onto another high end salon in London, and this is really where your career begins to to take a turn. Right. Well what happened was I was working the the owner. Because I was so nerdy, I think he thought I would make a good try colleges and in those days in London salons, they had two or three qualified joy colleges who check the scouts for disease they dealt with the hat condition and they made the products for the and things like that, and just to clarify tricalm is the study of how. Sees okay, right. But it's also the science of Hanukkah so that whole thing of starting off doing my hairdressing apprentice taking the qualifications with that then going on in studying psychology and three years of nerdy. All of my hair and scalp and the skimmed interesting because I I don't think salons have trikala gist anymore do they. Know, it was a nineteen seventy. That's okay. But most of us, that did most of the Trikala Gist went on then to make products for the people. So we we very much went into products. We may products for the songs. Anyway we developed are skills more and more in that area. So at some point I, guess you returned to to pool like you're in London in London. Because I burnt burnt and pool is in the south of England we should mention you out in London. Why did you burn out in London? It will call torme I suppose lifted the leaving home, the homeless period I, think i. i. sort of got to a point where I was earning enough money to live. Unser the striving fell away for a while. So I think that I got to that point where it well the other thing that had happened to me I got married and as you know as you're listening. So certainly getting marriage is quite a big dig and Mo we have to bring now in at this point who is much more stable than me. So is my my partner by the way I? It's choice that you made. Well I. I realized she made the choice. Very grateful. So I think that probably gave me some stability. I was still relatively optimistic as far as I was concerned but anxiety I had in space I'm panic attacks. Yeah. especially about heart attacks my grandmother had died that went into me at that moment and it stayed with me for an awfully long time. I'm not surprised right and and here's the other thing. People didn't talk about these things in the seventies right? There was no language to say I have intense anxiety. The reason why I'm asking you about this is because of who you are today and what your success and we'll obviously get there. But this is important. Right that a lot of people don't talk about these moments in their lives because of shame or embarrassment or yeah. That's Tom I went to the doctors and I tried to describe how I felt and he said I just don't feel normal to find norm. I didn't think I'd. Palpitations I I was dying of a heart attack every time. So I, you know the joke was I never had indigestion irony had heart attacks. Very doctor that I still use sesame mock you to be better off having heart attacks that that's disconcerts you're having having having panic attacks. Yes. That's exactly but it was it was all connected with the death of my grandmother I. Think because you know it entered me then in not very young age and I was hyperventilating even at sort of eleven chew circumstances. So I think yeah me then it didn't really leave until I was in my late fifties I mean none of this is surprising given the things that you went through as a child, right? Like none of these. Experiences are surprising. I think it's the human condition. I think if you understand mortality and you're not anxious what's wrong with you? Yeah. Yeah. You Know I. Mean once you understand what you have a deadline that. Of someone. So dear on you don't understand then you've got the hang of it. Is, the human condition isn't it? The? That's the point. That's that's if we didn't have that we wouldn't be driven. We wouldn't do the things we do. You have to have a clear understanding of a finite period of time. You have to have it. See you and Mo-. Return to pull your early twenties. You have this you've had this training as Trikala just what did you do when when you got back to pool? Seventy four I'd swayed a large solemn pool that they needed to try colleges. The same thing for that and that I have been doing in these west end salons. So. There was a guy that young who was very ambitious. He had one hundred staff. So for Sal nightside of London to be that side that was that was good. Yeah and so lots of people would go there. He trained a lot of people and I would assist him and I was freelance I didn't he didn't pay me but he gave me a room and gave me a little attic space to make product for the minute. I made their shampoos conditioners. And I was really not earning any money. My wife was keeping. My works the course as a system to the clock. On so she was working there and that was good money on. Then I was earning you know just a hidden what just? Making stuff in your kitchen and putting it in like glass bottles and selling it to be. The kitchen I've made a tiny room might change my little tiny box up in my bedroom into a little APP yeah. It was above the kitchen. Got A base in there. I got taps in there I've got some vessels are a big paddle i. you know I I could heat water and I could eat oil and I make broncos on I was making stuff on the side for different people because I couldn't earn enough money in the solemn was working at that time. Were you using like chemicals? I have an issue with look. know you. Can't yeah. I know I always did. Came in when I was about seven or eight. I. Went with my mom to the movies and I saw a movie where rat poison going some bread. It was a frightening black and white movie. I think it really may be frightened of chemicals. So I I always had this leaning tools nature anyway. So I much prefer to be involved in herbs or tentatives I was always very very conscious of what was a safe chemical and what was not a safe chemical so that that again informed what I did because now I make products with mainly natural materials on what I consider to be safe synthetics having studied that repeatedly will all through my career. All right. So you working at this Salon Pool as a Trikala gist and I guess at you and Mo-. Were living in the same apartment building as a woman named Liz we're is that is and and who was she and look how did you meet her and we work together in the sallow I see. Okay. She was the beauty therapist in the salon an I was the TRIKALA. We were both freelancers so we would spend our spare time chitchatting about well Harran scale. Basically, I always used to feel sorry if we were on the train, the two of US someone fell asleep in front of us we would just take them apart bit by you know what did you? Just talk about hair and skin pretty obsessively. In. Meantime were making all the stuff like hair care products and stuff in your apartment. And I guess around this time, you find a new customer for your products who who, who, who would become a pretty significant person in your life. What what's the story? What happened what actually happened was? I had seen a little advert in honey magazine. For Sound in. BRIGHTON NOT A. A shop on I was making stuff on the side for different people and so basically I find this woman's address. Phone number I didn't have a phone home. So, basically have to go to the phonebox from up. And see if she would like any product. She'd started the shock called the body shop. And it was in each erotic Anita Roddick. I phoned her up and she said well, come over and see me by the way she was in in Brighton. You were in pool quite a long train journey. Okay. Because it's not direct right? Okay. So I paid for the train journey met her she don't second shot by then I went in the shop and he was just wonderful. Yeah. There was this charismatic woman selling. Low package product that was genuine young people buying small amounts of stuff fun and experimentation everything about the shop. Really wide me I just loved it very, very simplistic bottles with very simple labels. No fancy stuff. Ready suited me and mark. Was it was it totally different than anything that was out there at the time when you went into bodies? Yes. Yes. Was it just like what is this if I come and live with you now in San Francisco? We go up and down the coast if we'd have done the same thing on the same time, we would have seen the body shop that inspired her in the first place and we would have seen a whole series of mom and pop. Shops. Exactly. Like that. Right up the west coast from Seattle right the way dying through Poland all those those people were making small amounts products in the packaging them. Simply you know there was cleansing bar and. All sorts of different businesses, but there were none in Britain not just we didn't have that at all have nothing none of that innovation none of that stuff. There was a shop called the body shop in San Francisco in San Francis-, which was a US company a totally different company. It was a totally different company that inspired Anita Roddick to copy it, do it in bright. And called the body shop I, call it the border. But. She you know you've got to get context on Easter. We have a dynamic vital woman. WHO's living in fairly open relationship with an unbelievable. I mean. Gordon. Roddick poet. Horsemen he just he'd gone off to ride a horse from Aires to new. He was writing for the observer about his experiences while he did he was he was just a behemoth. So you know we're not talking by everyday people here which I definitely will. Okay on eight hundred hotel which they sold on. She just wanted to try this idea that she'd seen in San Francisco and so when I first went there 'cause these new nothing about hand skin and I knew everything three listen I renew everything my aunts and all right. So you you go in the shop. You meet Anita and you have brought with you a bunch of samples of of what I think. I'd already sent them out, sent him over. She then placed an order right then and there she said, hey, I like this stuff for a five, thousand, two, hundred nine now just to clarify because I've read her account of this and this is what she said. You may know that she said. I. Remember that you know he called me from a payphone initially because he's feeding cleans to the pay phone. And that. He he was making Henna Cream Shampoos. That he sent to me, they looked like sludge and smelled like, horse, shit and honey beeswax cleaner with black specks caused by bees returning to their hives with dirty feet those products you said, and then she ordered a thousand pounds worth of this stuff. Yeah, it was great I mean I couldn't I'd had to borrow the money to train an open i. mean the fact that like you were making these products obviously herbal based in natural products but like they were Kinda, right they looked Kinda grimy at that time I guess. Well? They were very authentic. I tried them on anyone else. That's what they'd say to me. Well, we can see these are authentic mob, but we really don't think they're going to sell but she she believed they were going to sell and how are you getting the product tour was in like bags or jars or what? So gloss class jobs. Hey, I want to glass jars because the environmental principles K. G. H. The. Glass. Plastic Jars because she was struck only environments at that time So there were quite arguments loss of arguments lie that she was very arguments to person when she said, I, want thousand pounds of the stuff you had to go back to pool thousand, four, hundred, thousand, four, hundred. You to go back to pool and go back to this little lab in your apartment and making a thousand pounds worth. The supply as an Oscar credit because I had no money right? So I couldn't buy the materials to make the order. They all county gave me credit. I then said to her, she would have to pay cash on delivery. she then pay cash on delivery I wizz back afterwards and paid them all. I didn't expect to get a second order. I thought that would be a why. I obviously did not much confidence in my own product. Then I had a second order a third and a fault line. Why? Couldn't believe my luck. When we come back in just a moment how mark built a successful partnership with the body shop that worked pretty well. 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They brought together one hundred plus companies to provide offers and resources to help small business owners get back to what they do best following dream serving community and employing America visit stand for small dot com slash partner to learn more powered by American Express. With the unemployment rate at record highs right now, millions of Americans are without health insurance this week on through line, how our healthcare became tied to our jobs and how a temporary solution turned into an everlasting problem. Listen now to through line from NPR, where we go back in time to understand the present. Hey welcome back to how I built this from NPR. I'm Diraz. So it's around nineteen, seventy, seven and Mark Constantine has just started to make few products for Anita, Roddick of the body shop and both of them, of course are just in the beginning stages of their businesses. Anita, only has a few shops and mark is still making his concoctions in tiny room above his kitchen. What it would be Hannah cream shampoo algebris conditioner lady's mantle heat filter aromatherapy scowl poile herbal colors how do they sell? They sell to do do they sell undershot sold really well, I mean far better than I you know I couldn't have imagined. I. Mean we all talk one of the best sales ladies either mad you know she could sell anything. So obviously, she made them popular cow see have this cash coming in from from the body shop and I guess like right around this time you. And Liz we your colleague at the Hair Salon You decide to use that money to start your own business. With that money I started a little herbal hair and beauty clinic with Liz where it was called Constantina whereas country kills metrics good feel skimming good have. that. So hippie again, and so I've been told by another business person what you do is you you buy all your materials, you make the product and you double lot when you sell it. On then you don't spend that money on yourself. You then reinvest that back in business. Why just a curiosity, why did you bring Liz on? What was what was she going to bring to the equation? Well, it wasn't sleep with making products. What we did was we a little clinic for me to treat people say the Scalp unto Hannah Colors on and she would do her beauty therapy. Yeah and we share the the room you know the third room which was a reception storeroom but the problem was that it was incredibly cold the half. and we didn't get much business. So we made money still making product for other people much more than we did from Oslo Clinic. So we went a year or so to trying to make money there, we couldn't on. So I said to Liz Liz. Well, why don't you join me in the making the stuff? You know about skin I know all about I had between us we can come up with us. And then when I had to prepare a product for. I mean she was a really hard taskmaster so I work and work and work study read off. The coast mythologies, other books until I. got it. Right I. Probably make better skin products. I did. With the has stuff, it was just a technical skill I. Love. Yeah. With with the skin stuff, I had to really study and work. And and I guess Liz. Made these parks and until like a few shops or salon but I mean, assuming the body shop was still your your client right I was their biggest supply you with the biggest. Supply, and they had two shops. They started a franchise. And before we knew where we were, they had the fastest growing company in the world. I mean, you know they couldn't even touch the US. So that was outside of the US, they had franchises in Sweden. Multiplying that Franchisees in Finland in Germany and France he's my question for you mark I mean how were you have to assume that you very quickly you had to find another location to make your products and then there was a certain point where you yourself could not make the products anymore that you had to bring lots of people in to make the products. So what happened was I like working from my home it worked for me. So I find a big highs with an ice skyer h plenty of space at the back to make product, and then I I managed to make product from there for seven years. Well now, you're not supposed to do that a friend goes this planning controls. So I managed to make it without the planners. Catchy me for seven years I can remember I went off to see return of the Jedi I. When I came back my baby sitters said Oh. Amounts be mind for the Planning Authority So I I think I'd got my business up to half a million turnover by then I, have my garbage and the back of is so this is like one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two, eighty, three, you're doing a million dollars in revenue, Pines? Those days that was nearly a million. Wow. I mean I mean these positives from own because would dating Mo and then asked her for her dad for hand in marriage like. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE Like within ten years, you're making a million dollars in revenue. I mean, did any of those people like her parents Sir Jeff's Presley say Oh my God like, wow, this is crazy. Those time I was busy. He would be having about five o'clock in the morning making the stuff. If I saw someone we certainly went and took him high. Well I was doing we're talking about the English hair bear in mind. Yeah. We don't do that kind of stuff we don't admire each other. Positive. Well, here's what I'm wondering. How did you know how to? Run, the business, like how did you price your products? Had you know how to like what you know how to do invoicing and purchase orders and all that stuff? Did you well, Gold Roddick helped me a lot. I duNNo. Waylon. But basically, I've been taught already by Ma Yung's father to double the price when I sold it so that put me in good stead. Young the the guy who owned the Salon Yeah His dad had said to me what you do is you buy the raw materials and then you double that to sell it. You have to have enough Mogae because as you add to the costs gentleman obviously you know I mean I was probably making a lot more money per product when I just made it myself up in a room. Things developed because obviously but if you've got enough margin there in your model works. Okay. We're GONNA talk a bit more erotic, a very important controversial and really kind of revolutionary figure and certainly in the UK and around the world in entrepreneurship jets. But on the one hand I can imagine I mean, this was huge. She she she and Gordon Transform Transform Your Life Right Did you also transformed and elements of the cosmetic? Yeah. They were unbelievably influential charismatic. It felt very much like loyalty. You know they you know in in the sense that when they bless you with their presence, you pleased when you were there present civil so good. We would have a fatty tempestuous relationship. I think would be the right description. I would have an argument with her on the phone She would call me on professional I would tell her that she couldn't call me professional She would then call me a very root word beginning with W N. N D and. I would say, yes, you can call me that route where beginning W in ending an odd you call on professional than about an hour later there would be knock on the door I don't the door there'd be a florist with a huge smile on his face giving me a bunch of flowers on long the class have the would w That's how it was all the time. It was chaotic. Wonderful. Yeah. She was driven not quite Manitoba. Close you know. Both sway frightened of dying. You know I mean she she we were very similar vase streets. Not Comfy in our lives, there was no. We're not talking about a confident woman in the sense of accomplished and style Asian spouts we're talking about a woman who was driven. I was I thought she was going to have a breakdown then I realized. No, I was GONNA. Motion relationship like with Liz your par. Well she was always wonderful very supportive in a when you look at Lushan on people admire lush for its values. Especially, the way women are treated and things like that. That's all this Bennett list that she married her name became Bennett list. That's her she was she took me to one side I mean bear in mind I had not had much of a social education she would take me to Oncein. If we're going to build a business based on women. You can't pat them on the backside when they walk by Yeah you do. She was failure still So you didn't want to be told twice. Yeah. I absolutely her word as that was it. She told me I did. So those standards you know she had the standards all the time which I totally lacked right. All right. So you are just cranking it out and you're busy and you're expanding and. When you're doing a half, a million pounds of revenue a year selling to the body shop. Do you remember how many people you had working with you at that point? Five or six people working with me then. But what's very nice when we talk about well hide, you have the success later on is one of them was Colorado bygrave one was very health buyers she them by one was Liz Bennett Then all of those people have an abrasion they are the team ny there the elite team, the top team who are with they continue to learn the skills we still work together well. All, right. We are now going to get to a theme that is a recurring theme in your life, which is you get. Start to get each feet and you want to, you want to expand move onto the next thing or you know you've got this business which is concentrated and we are going well but you know you kinda you're doing well and it's and you get to a point I guess in the mid eighties where you to kind kinda build something out and You decided that you wanted to maybe open your own little shop in the US. Yeah. So, there was always much talk by Well, we do something together rather than me be a supplier in them. You know we will do something together like a partnership. Okay. Yeah. So I said to golden well, why don't I come up with a new concept in the states and we look at that you know because they couldn't do the body show. So. She would quite like of light to have a different business that was not nicked from someone in San Francisco with all right Lacey. So I did a new product myself and my team we did something called Balkans which we opened in Seattle. You opened a store called Botkin 's in Seattle Yup. This was like a body shop type of skin care type shop. Yes, and you did this with Anita Roddick and Gordon or A nature didn't know I did it with Gordon wait sorry you did it with her husband and she didn't know. Yes. I don't know how that happened. I. Think Gordon said to me look why don't we do this? All tell me later on right Okay. I don't know why I fell for that because that was definitely foolish. and. I did all the work I did all of the product I you know we got the shop, my brother-in-law said, he would run it and Seattle by the way because that's where my brother in law lived. Okay. It's a great city great city great city night bear in mind Miami's of the states I haven't travelled a tool. So I did I'd been to Santa a couple of times but my image of the states was very much formed of the American comics. I is a little boy. On also the American business books I read on the entrepreneurial spirit of the stays. So you know that's what I felt good about it and so yeah. So we this show I mean when you describe it someone you think is slightly lunatic. It gets worse because it didn't really make money. But then Gordon decided he would tell it eater. At had a couple of glasses of wine and then he thought he tele neater and he told me I've never been more wrong in my life. Turned the tables over she threw Chaz, he said I'm not frightened of any woman so I didn't lock my bedroom door, but obviously, he wants them to sleep in the same bed that night. I'm from that moment on really relationship wasn't so good mine and Nietzsche's but she was mad because she said, you betrayed her she was like that's my business. What are you doing? That's always perspective. I, think she might have been. which I am not too i. mean we needed sheep. She passed away more than a decade ago but sh-. So she's out here to kind of give givers out of story. But I kind of understand that I cannot Kinda Right I. Right? Yeah. Well. Obviously I'm not straightforward. Just going for all the time I'm not you can't rely on me to stay still. Yeah. I don't I don't become repleting set back now in my sixty s you had to keep moving into. You was like this is the next step I WANNA keep moving on expand one, do the next thing but it sounds like you of did it a clumsy way that you and I I've done these things in my life didn't feel clumsy when I was doing it. But retrospectively oversee wasn't appropriate and we should kind of I think puts us in the context because Anita Roddick by the mid eighties certainly by the late eighties, she was like hugely famous like Blake, Princess Diana was buying her stuff and she was all over the place. She was a big deal already by then. And rightly. So yeah, I mean you know how it is whenever you've had a very close working relationship with someone. You don't have to admit how much they told you I don't know maybe that's just the British thing. Yeah. She? Always so much didn't she? It's quite obvious. So. It's clear that your relationship with Anita his. Damage at this point and probably not gonNA. I mean, she needs your products. There's there's too much tension between the two of you and at the time I mean, she basically made an offer to buy out constantly we're and you did sell it to her was was that the reason that that you knew basically, you just kind of had to move on no I basically drove that because it was very awkward. Own these rights but they didn't know what to do about that. They weren't taking any new product of me because they were frightened the dominated much of their business and they just gone public on the city didn't know that I own all the profit rise to city of union the bankers, financiers, they they. They went public. listed. Company. But they didn't own the pro they were selling. So they had to pivot, they had to start making their own product because. It was my solution is said to them. Look you. You'RE GONNA have to buy the rights but I said I make three million pounds a year from each of these product ranges. So why don't you pay me nine million over three years? You'll make the money back anyway by making the yourself on I'll go off and do something else. So you walk out of that that relationship with nine million pounds mood. Trenches. And violate what happens to Botkin that shopping Seattle is still going at that time I had closed. On lost two, hundred, thousand, you lose the money on bargains but you've got nine million pounds in at this point you can really Kinda just live the life of reilly like that's a lot of money can buy nice country estate in the south of England and. Cut and you clown can can do beekeeping or into birding you could do that for the rest of your life. Obviously that's. Boring I'm GonNa do that so you. Don't want WanNa do that. See you decide? All Right? I'M GONNA start a new business in. It's this concept called cosmetics go that you again start with the same team right that you done concentrate because I wanted yeah. We we were trying to keep the same people employed that we'd have before. But in a mail order business mail cosmetic. So the same products that you were making the mail order. Yeah because. I didn't really want to I didn't want to be going into competition with within each Gordon in any way to get the money I'd had to sign a thing saying I wouldn't open any shots for three got it had to a mail order business. You couldn't have a brick and mortar I want you to anyway. So suited me at the time, but here's the thing you sold the rights to all of these products that you were making. Not Sell those recipes in your new business. You had to make brand new things. Yeah. But I had loads had so many new products ideas. We had shampoo bom, Bom, bom things, Anita didn't WanNa take. So I already had a catalog full of product. I WANNA. I. WanNa hold on the bath bomb because this is a this is a product that's going to revolutionize your life, and this would blush would eventually be. But when did that idea come to you? Didn't come to me. So basically, what happened was I was in the kitchen with my wife Mo, a perfumer check Brian a herb list, Dot Malcolm Stewart. Another truck, all Stephen, Moles and accountable the people I'm we were talking about the problem of Bubbas creating urinary tract infections in young children on the set La. Okay. So we were just chatting about that and I the problem was kids love bubble bath. So much what happens is it breaks down the Capella reaction. It enables microorganisms get in the Ernie tracks on Kohl's problems that's high above above does that okay We want to come up with something that was better for the kids wouldn't call stop problem on Jeff Brian had worked making alka. Seltzer. With bicarbonate of soda and citric acid. So bicarbonate of Soda is extremely soothing in the bath. Very, very good few. It's a seltzer. Botha's really well known all worldwide. I'm if you had chicken pox or something, you'd put a bit of obeys certain. Yeah. So then my wife went into the shed and came back with first bothell. But it was just a small disc and we call them Akwa Sicily's let me just pause for sex she would take basically. Baking Soda and some some sense. Essentials and herbs, and like put it into a desk. So she just came back in there was. So she had invented the Bom Bom really, but she didn't just do it in five minutes right? This is gonNA. Take some time. She did how do you make that in five minutes bushy just she'd heard a in about it. She's when I did it because she practical. Just came in. There it is. So then we for while we sold these acquisitions ljube. But then we find that the kids weren't using the grownups we use them. So then we thought well, what if a GROWNUP choosing? We'll put a bit more. We'll make it a bit bigger. And we'll have a Ryan th you know we did A, we actually did a bom we covered him black Sabbath fame how to read wick out of the right balm on it that was the black rebirth ball and so on. So that's how they developed, but it started off with my wife going in the shed making one coming back. So at cosmetics to go, you were already selling these products. We started bathrooms came along about two years into medicine. But things like shampoo bars they were there the beginning we had Payton for shampoo bottles, shampoo bars like a bar of soap but instead of a bottle washing brushing hair. Okay. Be Popular at the moment. Yes. So everybody wants a shampoo buzz at the moment because they don't want plastic plastic, right? You have this business cosmetics to go, which sounds like a great idea. Right? You got its mail order and mail order is a big deal in the late eighties early nineties And how's it going? How is it doing? Every time we send the light we lose pined. Why well you know the the Dot Com business was you know you figured if you got to a certain size, you'd be okay. So you were constantly trying to get to that scale but just like the dog home businesses, we never made it to that scale is that. If, you WanNa make a small fortune you start with a lodge. Alisa Parenti on every order. So because many it's the guy who was a hell of a party. It was so intense I have never been so stress we were producing these catalogs, the hole, every range, how a different image. I mean, it was just for people obsessed with cosmetics, which we all were and. It was a great party, but we just blew all the money went this. So this is like nineteen, ninety, four and. You worked on cosmetics to go for like six or seven years. Before it went under and then really went under and were you broke I be clever. I basically still had a mortgage on my home. So I still other loan on my home. I still have a loan for a small factor unit. And I still have a loan on on this Protean highstreet where I have my lap. So I still had these loans Pale. So then was having to borrow money from moneylenders, users rates, and then I managed to sell this highs for half of what I bought it for bought it for two hundred, thousand dollars I sold it for one, hundred, thousand I paid off all the loan sharks I was left with forty three thousand fans and I had three kids on no business. You had just a few years before and again I'm not trying to shame you at all. I just want to put this in context is important. So got plenty of shame. No shame. Sean to avoid. This is a very important failure. That you experienced, right. You were a millionaire and you had lost all of it. And you were also in debt, and now you're forty two. Almost forty three you've got three kids. Yeah. Eldest. Son Took me to one side at seven. UNSA jested, well, dad you not think you should get a proper job. and. What did you think? I said well, I think I've got a skill set that such that if I can market, I can make a little money again. And he he sort of nodded sagely at seven and let me do it would what did you have anxiety about the future at that point or did you think I'm going to recover? This is GONNA be fine. Did I have. I mean I've. I've had anxiety most of my life. plenty of anxiety probably enough to you know fill up boat. Basically I want to do anything I. wanted to stay Home Lick my wounds I felt very ashamed. Shame was the prevalent thing. I. Certainly didn't think I'm going to get up and do something else. But my colleagues especially, how am Umbro's at that time I'm brazen, fill me up and said the receivers it all gone everyone gone. I had an NT sharpen and anti Lab. Helen Ambrose Lymphoma up and said, I'm going to start going in nine to five. How are you? Doing what? With with what? She said, well, I just think it would be we can in we can see what there is there make few products maybe sell of you here and there let's get going again and so all of the the main team the I'd worked with they couldn't find work either that they wanted. So bit by bit they all came back and I want to just name them all 'cause 'cause you all get together. I don't remember Rose Liz. We're Paul Greaves. Defoe. Mike Byrd Ruina Hufbauer, and you all kind of. Come together, and this is the beginning of Lush Yup. So. Then we roll earning no money run on our credit cards up because she was the only one already done that and she started shopping nine stairs and run that and we started making the product upstairs. So May and Halama Product. Just with we go up the great racism by the car does and the fruit and make the products then take it downstairs and she'd sell it and here's what I understand that year ninety five new open a store in covent garden in. London. How were you able to do that with forty thousand pounds? Well, what we did was the first store was really the little store downstairs in pole transient high. And that's what we did I. So we didn't sort of mock you thing. And then basically we knew we'd done all of our money and we knew we had to get it back quite a lot of people were approaching US offering tobacco's. One of the guys Andrew Geary I'm Peter. Black. They were really nice, Peter Black just said, well, I'll do a pun for a COUPLA hundred grand and he put some money into some shares and we started the retail business I'm with his money. We opened a small store in covent garden on a larger one on the Kings road. So you had never really had to raise money for your previous businesses because. This one you had to find some outside money you had. You had to find investor. What I. Did with Pizza I asked him what was the best investment you ever made Peter? And he told me what it was. It was it was a property guy and so he bought some properties off the army in Scotland and he managed to sell them for twelve times the. Bow, so I promised him, I said with this will be a better bang the. When we come back in just a moment why that turned out to be a pretty good batch and later on mark crossed paths with the body shop yet again but this time as a possible buyer. Stay with US Guy Roz, and you're listening to how I built this from NPR. This message comes from NPR sponsor slack a new way to communicate with your team. It replaces email with something faster that organized and more secure in a world where people can be anywhere. It becomes your office, try it for free at slack, Dot, com, slack where work happens. 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Hey look back to how I built this from NPR guy rise. So it's nineteen ninety-five and out of the ruins of a failed business mark and his partners decide to take one more leap by launching a little cosmetic store they call lush. And this time things seemed to click. So pretty soon after opening their first location in pool mark opens another store in London. I remember shop in Covent Garden I was a student in London at the time and it was a big deal at the bath bombs remember. They were like these and you still haven't these orbs they kind of like reminded me of us. We tarts you know sweethearts. Giants Sweet Tarts. And some of them had like dried roses in them and things like that. Right like flower petals. Because I remember my sister came to visit me in London and shoot everyone wanted to rush. It was like all of a sudden was starting to people talking about it. What how how did that happen I mean the stores opened their doors and huge no one had ever seen anything like it before we would get a thighs and inquiries a month for people to do business with us from the get-go boil pretty soon when we opened up the kings shop I'm within the first week we had shown poke Ta and Jasper. Conran. Coming on commend US unto be onus and Jasper Conran is his son of of tarrant Conrad Open Turns Conrado. I'm right Terence Conran great great retailer, the whole of Britain but it wasn't just status. But so many people were commending US unto be honest. To have been that bad and to have everything wrong and then some anytime everything that right was very tricky. I remember having to go at the back of the shop and I have a moment you know. You can't be that bad I'm that good all in in a short period of time you know. Yeah and by the way, how did you decide on the name lush? we we had a competition and we said come up with a name for us on a lady called Mrs Bennet Event Bre Accord US lush, Garden we showed it to lush. So here. Here's was inching 'em. I've read that you kind of modeled these shops, the lush shops, Neal's yard dairy cheese shop. Right which a famous I it was. It was very spits I mean Neal's yard dairy is lovely a lovely show Yeah. We have big truckloads of shampoo and big chuckles of soap light. She struggles which we would slice and sal the product from and I'm not. Yes. It was partly that partly grocery shops like you know with with apples. Plums apples to be only when I. I did the Kings Road I. I thought I made an awful mistake I dunno, I just. My Imagination I, his machination run riot. We'd got this stainless steel basin full of ice with face Mile Senate. The would only last couple of weeks and. Every we just let everything go crazy, and then we had some bottle product on little three little remains in the center of the shop when I was looking at it before I thought Oh God you've had this money in this investment you've just blown it. If you've done all this crazy stuff instead of just doing a much more understandable shop, the public won't get it. On then open the doors and the public came in and they just ignored all the bottle products and bought everything else they were wonderful. They go to everything they just loved it because. As people now know when you go into into lush and really was kind of baked in early on there was not a package and you had the the sort of the plastic tubs and but then it was tens of things and and then just giant slabs of soap that were just sliced off and putting paper walk out. Bill because we I, we didn't have the money for the packaging. Secondly, we D-. We didn't want to do it anyway if you've got a bottle of shower gel when from the factory. Two thirds of the money went into the packaging and the labeling and only a third into the contents. So if you can get a business model where you can get rid of that unwanted packaging, the customer doesn't want it. You don't WanNa. If you can get rid of that, you'd go far more money to put into the ingredients. Yeah. You can have a much better standard of payment for supplies and so on, and you can have a bit more profit and you can get a competitive price for the customer by the way the the six of you who who kind of got together just are lush. Did you ever have to have an uncomfortable conversation about ownership. So, the problem actually is an ownership while it is an extent but it the problem is succession because obviously, if we let's pretend when order cosmetic company I'm GONNA Not British. But we're in American Tech Company Yeah. All those tech companies are the findings all had to either either died, and they had to be paid off. Their families had to be paid off all they have to have their enumeration during the successful crave. On we didn't want to go public, you decided early on, we don't ever want to go public. Well, we was what happened with the body Shaw. You know they'd come public and Gordon. Roddick says still today that that was the biggest mistake he made. Because he was no longer in control of things he thought were important. Wasn't what the? Cheryl city thorson yeah. They don't want you to spend money on on high quality products and and they want you to maximize profit. Exactly. So we dreamt up a scheme see. We're all we're capitalists straightforward. And I believe in capitalism but I don't believe in the forms of capitalism the I would call locust capitalism where it's where people are feeding of someone else without doing anyway So we came up with this game where we valued are Chaz. Five Times. The average of the last three is profit. So that, we kept it a little bit but we. Agreed we still that's still enabled us to. If we want to build a business, we can build the business. We can build the profitability. We can make more than we sell our shares, and then we gave part of the business to the staff which we would like to see increase. So that the STAF combine those shares of the finders and we put in an employee benefit trust. To facilitate the sale at the shares as a when they're necessary. So essentially you are you've said, you will not the other founders of Said, look we're going to get rich enough you know but we don't need hundreds of millions of dollars we we'll be happy with tens of millions of dollars. Yes because we didn't do all the work. In Britain. We have something called the living wage where a group of clerics. Paid off with the fact that there was so much poverty in that diocese. Yeah. Go together and they dreamt up a living wage. This was a wage that was a fat pay. So we pay the living wage as decided by them. So we lifting are skirts up at the bottom to get people out of poverty. Sharing some of the business with them but still capitalists on it's still capitalism. We can still increase the size of that business, the scale of that business, the profitability that business and get considerable benefit for ourselves but not so much benefit that it's vulgar. I think a lot of the. I've I've had on the show It doesn't seem like your wire to work for other people like you are. You're clearly super driven procure your little difficult right I. Mean I, mean in a in a good way or difficult in every way. But it doesn't sound to me like you are a control freak that like actually the other partners involved in lush had a lot of say over the the look the feel and the branding, and because you know when you're in a lush store, the era lush store, it doesn't sound like you were a control freak over every single aspect of that. Am I right. No no I'm not a control freak. On. Quite intuitive. So when I see somebody this wrong and I don't know how to describe that beforehand. So for a long time Rowena just ban me from the shop opening. Because all I could ever see was something that was wrong. Yeah. So she just banned me, she said, you come to the shop opening. Improve Your attitude yeah. We don't need that kind of miserable person pacing up and die nightside when we just greeting new customers you know. I'm allied to go night so I must have improved. Meantime the the businesses growing, and I think by two thousand and one you actually put in a bid to buy the body shop. And Anita Roddick would not sell it to you at the time By the way, do you remember what what you offered for it? Well it it was very straightforward The management could raise a bite, three, hundred, and sixty million. Themselves to by the body shop off of the strength of the body shops and Vegas. I could add my business to that. Get up to invite four fifty something like that. Million Pounds. Yeah. Then, basically that though you know like someone like Laurel. Could get up to much higher than that. They eventually sold bodyshop Laurie Al for six, hundred, fifty, two, million pounds in two, thousand, six at the time Anita. Roddick was very, very sick and Of course, it's no longer live and. The body shop going to Lori L., to you into some customers meant something because Laurie els, each multinational and the body shop represented kind of right. It was the the their slogan was trade not aid and loyal had always been the arch enemy because of testing on animals, they represented those who wished test bodyshop represented those that didn't wish to right and that was quite sort of fundamental and I think at one point. There were signs at less stores said, are you fed up with the B S obviously referring to body shop at sale to Lori Al? and that was one of my best. No one of my best moments if you had known how ill Anita was at the time. I think you've said you would have. Responded differently. Yeah absolutely. No idea and You know I missed. Difficult to know what say I mean the weird thing was she always felt she had very short length of time and She was right in she did have a short length of time. But I think I think the truth was with the body shop the. Even, if she hadn't been ill. I think they'd had with. I think they'd had their ride and Y'all mean and they didn't want to carry on. You Know I. I've painted anyth- ordering his this dynamic. Charismatic this woman. But what I once asked her just we were just messing around the train or something doing one of their psychological sort of quizzes. I said the nature if if you were an animal, what animal would you imagine yourself? On she said a full-on on. Otherwise a young deer. Night that. If she'd have said an eagle. I would have that's what I would have expected survey of. Him suddenly I could see then I could see her eyes Golden Osborne. So her on high much. He protected her and looked off the. On how much they were. They were couple you you never because when you're in or of someone you don't see them as human. You. See them as as you know this great thing. When of course the truth was she was she was very humid. With lush. I. Think like eight years into the business you had over two hundred shops in twenty nine countries I mean that's that's just an incredible expansion in eight years. How were you able to control the brand with all those shops around the world was it was just something that you weren't that worried about. Well, the brand is a brand is very much based on the people that work in the shops and the people we attract. The I got hostile. Do you choose your stuff? Right? Yeah. I don't know if you've ever watched fidelity. When he talks about his stuff he says, well, I employed them for a couple of days and now they turn up every day and. You know we employees and attract enthusiasts. People have really passionate by nature or or animal testing animal rights. And then the brand tends to become that you know. I mean. We control the products. You know my my children involved. We've got a whole new set of inventors. Ni-. Young people coming on through the business that we do that that side that controls you know what you've got at home. but then the people that sell it to you. Just get attracted to the brand you know. I mean obviously lush today I. Think you've nine hundred stores to twelve thousand staff around the world But you you know this is a challenging business and retail is challenging and margins are thin. So you know you've had years where you've got based on what I've read enough. There's right you know seventy million pounds in profit and then. Years where it's plunged to twenty, five, million pounds and props profitable the next year. So what explains huge swings back and forth as it just that you pour more money into the business and that's why well, let's take from the high. When we go back that height, that's when we introduced the. Living Wage Impulse Bah. Okay. So that so that's what we decided. We got plenty here. We can share some. So that that's quite often what's gone on yet that we've changed the business model by in choosing another element into I mean we give huge sums charity. I. Mean we've given over fifty million pines. Now this is the lesson from Anita Roddick where she took just a small sum of money and she turned into that massive business which loyal for all that money shows you that not all money has the same value small sums of money in hands of dynamic people who really care goes long way. So when we give money when we give you know Two Thousand and five thousand to a group that wants to achieve something maybe they want to stop fracking maybe they want to deal with some environmental issue. They will make that money go much further than if that money was in someone else's. So that's very much higher. We focus on it. I think it was around. Two thousand twelve when your childhood friend Jeff is meant located in your debt he found him in South Africa. And you were able to see him for the first time since you were two years old. Yeah What was that? What was that like team? Were you nervous going before that door open No no I wasn't nervous I had a friend who told me he he? He was the result of a one night stand between his mother and an Italian Mona Beach. Right and he still find his father and he said to me if you're ever fortune up to find Joel Father, go straightaway not mess. Don't don't even think about it. So I didn't think about it. I just went. and. I was met by my two sisters. Who are explain how similar they were to me? on them when I go see my dad, he was apologetic. You know I didn't need any of that. I just said data all swelled ends well. You just really pleased to be with you and we just had a couple of days together. They were just magical and they I can't very hard to describe such an emotional thing. But the best way I can find to describe it is if I had an empty hall. Where my heart was before I now have a blazing fire. So, a lot of the. Has Gone a lot of that stuff's going with that a he died shortly afterwards, he died with weeks of me seeing him. I could not have been more welcomed could not have been treated. With, more sincerity. Compassion. That was. Do you think mark that because of your. Question must be the case and I don't answer for you but it must be that your early life you know growing up with your grandma your dad. Upping part of Your Life Ukraine, dying and Twelve and Falling out with your mom and then we should say you did. You have reconciled relationship today but. I mean that must have. Driven you all of those things must have driven you in some way right? I mean, how how do you think about that? You think about your story, your your past and your childhood and I read an article in the in the Daily Telegraph the British Daily Telegraph. On this particular journalist had spent her life interviewing business people and this was a last business interview and she talked of something that she called the entrepreneurs wound and she said all of the really. Successful people that she had interviewed him business had the similarities where they had a dat or a severe divorce or a sibling die something like that and their charter. They had an event now whether that teaches you about mortality. On you know, you've only got a certain period of time and so you you get driven through that or whether you're trying to impress someone that perhaps is no longer here or maybe just you know I don't know that I want to impress my dad he didn't he was oblivious. so I I don't know. But if you look at, you know Steve Jobs. So you look at any of those those guys they gonNA similar profile. The issues create the character I really believe that race strongly all of the the finders have all got issues. Mark when you think about all of the things that that you've accomplished achieved. Gee. You think that most of it was because you. Just got lucky or or because you're really smart and had the skills to make it happen we. Not Necessarily, very smart and we. I. I see myself as technical entrepreneur I see I have the T. technical skills I've made the most of those. I. Mean you know I it was A. Scribe. To Church when he said what we were supposed to say that success is just stumbling from one state to another failure to another. Yeah. Whoever originally said it? Before he stole it that. Anyone. WHO's in business? They know that's how it feels. You know. It just depends. Sometimes I have really big challenges another times they're just challenges, but there's never a moment when you can really sort of say wow, great. And that is pretty much. My interview with mark ended back in February but of course. Just a few weeks later. Everything changed so a few days ago. Got Back in touch. Mark Yes. Hello. How are you? Good on you I'm all right. I'm talking to you is like reaching back in time to a simpler moment in human history. An Mark told me that in the days just after the pandemic hit lush had to shut down lots of its stores and lay off or furlough some of its workers. And then around the same time, his longtime business partner Liz, we're Bennett passed away from cancer. But Marcus had some time to recover from that and when I talked to him the other day he sounded mostly upbeat and said, the business has started to bounce back. Well, first of all, obviously selling soap in the Timakova is quite sensible. So while they're selling graciously seem to be doing exceptionally well selling. So visit Sobat. My my point really is that while you may not go on a cruise and you may not, you may not be able to take the holiday you've always dreamt off you can't always take a bath so so worldwide. Remind me how he stores do you have Right now? It's nine hundred and can you estimate? Can you estimate how many of them are closed right now? It fifty at the mall maximum goes right now I mean, probably probably less. So most of them are back open. Most back open a most trading, not full level that they were trading before. Are Literally, just kiosks where we opened the door, we put some sort of and people come to the staff there who are wearing masks on than others where there's enough space where they can't come in on socially distance while they shopping and we had between two hundred and three hundred percent increase in additional business in our mail business, and so that was one hell of a sort of swing round. So online sales have have really bomb boomed, but but but I'm assuming like with many retailers, it hasn't fully closed the gap the shortfall when it comes to overall sales because I'm assuming yes. We on your machine, but we're much more that area of our businesses more profitable than the retail. So people moving onto the metals businesses quiet help. because. We then generate more pro. It sounds like overall things are okay. Things. Things are OK yeah. Yeah I mean for anyone business listing I one of the things we've tried to do is to break things up into six week periods because you can't really anticipate what virus is going to do beyond six week period and so then trying to work out within that six week period. What do we think is going to happen you know I can read trust because we obviously go from season to season we so we'll have from now until what we will bonfire night, which is a British tradition which. Is November the fifth, and then we'll go to Christmas six week period, and then we'll go to Valentine's another six weeks and then it's Easter and I think that's a good way to approach rather than trying to imagine what it's going to be like in a year two years time we can do that but you're not flexible enough if you do that, you know you need to be very dynamic. I think in these circumstances given that you will probably face a fall in revenue this year like many retailers. Are. You also being very careful with. You know with how you're spending cash as a business yes. Oh Yeah. Absolutely. So mean what what's actually happened is that the bulk of the agony we took in the last financial year which ended June. This year just gone. So those figures GonNa, look pretty dreadful on then as we've. Quickly adapted so this year this year we'll look a lot more positive in law a lot stronger. So we had loss last year but we weren't Apple Ossetia we'll have a reasonable profit. I we used to talk about the new normal, but I've stopped doing that because I think that many of the things that are happening is what we wanted anyway. We wanted less travel. We wanted less pollution we wanted. People to be more discerning in that buying, we wanted better supply chains a better thought about the products, all those things are happening. Mark. In the episode, we just heard you've gone through so many difficult moments I mean from your childhood and and going through dealing with anxiety and. And then you know selling your business to. And then starting a mail order company and then losing it all. You described you broke in your forties. Do you think all of those. Experiences as low points that you went through actually. Have helped. You have the resilience to deal with what you're dealing with now. Yes I think. So I, think that I think he's for businesses I think that vibrancy that you require the flexibility, the ability to to listen carefully and to make the appropriate changes a not be too. Spoilt It's the where it isn't it A. Business we can get spoilt. We can get used to too much luxury and. I mean for me personally at the end of my career here to have to deal with this I felt was. Really. Really really interesting of far more interesting than running at a steady pace especially when there was so much. Change. We would like to see you know by climate change and other things like that. So. I find this far more exciting, far more real. then I find. When I lost cheap. Wow. I love that I love you said that. Amazing perspective. It's the truth. That's Mark Constantine Co founder of. Lash by the way mark told me that these days one thing he's doing to chill out and help him sleep is to take hot bats at exactly four PM every day he says that in addition to being super relaxing, it's a great way test out all of his products. Hey thanks so much for listening to this show this week you can subscribe wherever you get your podcast. You can write to us in Hi bt at NPR DOT ORG. If you want to send a tweet kits at how I built this or at Guy Roz, and you can follow me on instagram. That's Guy Ron. This episode was produced by James, who with music composed from teen of Louis. Thanks also to Gareth, GAELS JC Howard Julia, Carney grant and Jeff Rodgers. Intern is Faira Safari. Garages and you've been listening. To how I built this. This is NPR.

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Orcs!  Episode 016

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Orcs! Episode 016

"Welcome to February twenty. We are moving quick. We are so this week. We wanted to cleanser pallets veloce pastor from last week so we chose when we liked. Yes we've seen it before and it has a lot of really excellent lessons in it does Lighting acting editing. It goes across the board and analogy and yeah bottom. It's good warm. Yeah for this though At later on in our our diatribe of things I I mentioned a Movie that were watching in bits and pieces it's a lift tracks version of the starship invader if you say I don't know I can't remember the title because it's just so fucking fucking bad but anyway I mentioned it and then I I don't come back to it and the whole point of it we were talking about effects and stuff and her things and this was a movie that it has Christopher Lee in it a lot of big actors at at the time and right it's just the fucking worst and it's funny because in in the we love rift tracks because sometimes the shit right on the head and they they mentioned just Out of the blue and remember this came out after Star Wars. Yeah the same year. Yeah the the graphics the everything special effects are so so bad there are so few for bad interesting super bad everything really terrible choices you know. We could do a whole episode on it. Actually but I don't gets the almost none of the people speak. It's all telepathy and the sound is so fucking bad voiceovers for the telepathy. Everybody everybody is using and then the guy who's talking the earthlings sounds like this and then it's it's nerve wracking while yeah someone. Someone didn't know how to do voice overs studio right but the whole point of it was to make a comparison of A micro budget low budget B movie right that we're going to get into Compared to this had some fucking money behind it. Yeah the one the riff tracks one. That were you're watching the whatever fucking idiots space idiots whatever So yeah it's just one of those things that's the comparison. I eventually wanted to make. But we didn't come back around to background to it. Plus it's just so bad I you know if you hadn't reminded me I wouldn't even spoken about now but with that. Yeah let's roll under this awesome movie which had some stuff going and have some fun. All right Welcome to Bravo for the B side. I'm Danny Danny. I'm Jim and tonight. We're bringing you a movie that after the last couple of ones who've done I feel like I've been I'm little breath Well yeah a velociraptor. veloce pastor was And then we did the Edward retrospective was just a box of I know. And while we've been birkin up by interviews and stuff I still feel like the past couple of full length movies we've done. I've been really rough so we wanted to do something. We'll shorts was good. Though it's shorts talk they were all good. Yeah Yeah what you mean. Yeah I felt it. She's coming away. We did this yes we we knew this. Yeah it's good we we popped this one on one night years ago and were pleasantly surprised by it and so we kind of wanted to bring it back because it is B. Movie But it is excellent and so why don't you tell us a little bit about it all right so for this week's episode it's Orix Exclamation Asian point. Yeah it's not ORCS or This is one of those examples where it's difficult to get good information information so let me talk about this for a second. So the release date commonly comes out as twenty 2014 yet it. I've found it as a production date of two thousand eleven sources and oddly enough. There's a fucking review for it on the movie phone website in twenty seven. No Two thousand ten interesting. Yeah movie phone own. It's still up and running so Here's where it even gets messier so as directed by Andrew Black But his his name in this film he went under the pseudonym of James McPherson interesting right And there's easy he's got some some some credits to his name. That aren't bed anyway. So it was written by an black which is his wife. Jason Jason Fowler and Keinan Griffin. This is a Scottish unit. There often Scotland there's no rating because it was has never MPAA released may would be rated R.. Clearly are maybe fourteen. There's Hunnam. It'd be loose anyway. I'll I'll hold by rain in In his gets curious so the budget that I could find signed for this is official as a I could get one hundred fifty thousand dollars roughly but in some of the reviews from people not critics from now people on IMDB several of them mentioned what a waste of three million in dollars. Well now I need big. That's a huge number and I'm GONNA I'M GONNA stick with one hundred and fifty thousand budget. I think from what we saw what we're gonNA talk about that. We'll see more realistic to listeners Three million dollars. That's three hotels right. Yeah on unless they flew the fucking concord like twice a day back and forth during production in right. I don't there's no way in hell three million dollars unless somebody just like raked over the coals for that Schutte Armor Anyway. So the Log Line we have to this is when marauding ORCs invade a US national title park our collective fates lie in the hands of Ranger Cal Robertson and his sidekick volunteer Cadet Hobie Hobart Art who must stop the wave of destruction before the whole world is overrun and on that my friends is how they explained the movie. So where we jump into this though Allen just say something because this date thing we were just talking about it you know it's coming fucking Amazon prime who whoever sits at the fucking cubicle all who stamps the fuck and production dates on the ship when they put the liner notes up on the screen needs to be fired. This guy has of this woman. Whoever this person is has no god damn clue so? Here's why I'm complaining because for the fourth fucking time in a week right were laying in bed when when when I go to bed I have have to watch something. That's how my brain settles because if I'm left just laying there I'll be all fucking night. My brain just keeps going going going ongoing. I need a distraction. I need something to just focus on and let it process on that and then go to sleep after so. It's it's a perfect time to look for candidates for the show right so here we go. I see ooh This Sifi thing twenty nineteen won't fuck. Yeah I want to get in on this because it's not that old and we can you know maybe get in touch with some folks so I fired up right it right away. I know there's a problem because the first thing I see is the haircut art of one of the characters when he pops up and it says eighties Oh yeah feathery. Yeah and then who do I see but Dr Dr. Terrell from bladerunner terrell corporation genius if this was indeed twenty nineteen he would be a million eighteen years old by now. This guy was not a spring chicken when he did blade runner in eighty so I see him and I'm thinking okay this this is clearly incorrect. So what I had to do of course as wait till the end and the credits and scroll through to find the dates nineteen eighty seven. Yeah Yeah Yeah Twenty. Nineteen nineteen eighty seven for fuck sake and now right and also paid attention gay. There was nothing in the beginning credits or the relooked at the beginning credits or the end credits that said anything about redistribution by or all this because I know sometimes that triggers the date right right we have night of the living living dead. Nineteen sixty eight. Nineteen seventy four. Seventy eight one nine hundred ninety two nineteen ninety six hundred ninety eight thirtieth anniversary twenty eighteen. Fiftieth Yeah how did you the math in my head. Real quick quick anyway. I just needed to get that off my chest because the production the release and everything the fuck upon the dates here just all this and that and there's a review before it came out there was twenty fourteen and not even sure about that I can get that. Maybe it started production in twenty eleven rank as we know three years is not not an unheard of. Oh not at all no time to do an indie film right correct so anyway. Now that I have properly bitched about on Netflix now Amazon was like well. You know what fuck neck looks to. They don't have enough the reason. I can't bitch about them because they don't have enough shit on there to look at all the same stuff in when Netflix and Hulu have like the same library lineup releases. Something's afoot if you're on par with Hulu. Listen it's true all right anyway. So let's get into a fun film. There is a lot to talk about Well we're going to talk myself at during but at the end This this one folks watch it and Uh Yeah you'll see. There's there's a lot of good stuff here to to learn from not. Just watch and be entertained by. Yeah take us away or exclamation Asian point. Yeah so we start out There's a super the black late mountains. There's year but I missed it. It's a while while back. I think it was nineteen twenty eight early. Nineteen hundreds was nineteen twenty. Something all right. I just caught aww zero or eight because things were happening on the screen. It's not super important while back. I know these things matter not you. But there's a guy mining he is startled by Zeke. Something or other a park ranger with a very impressive massive mustache. Yes we're talking Ron Swanson level grooming. It's fantastic yeah. This thing was touched up just before cameras. Rose went on and the guy mining just disappear suddenly into a hole and Zeke investigates the whole something get Zeke and a and he drops his lantern because they're in their mind just holding it. Linter new drops lantern ignites randomly gigantic pile of dynamite. Just sitting there sure And blows up the mountain. Yeah it is a bit impressive. It was impressive. So that's tally start out works. Yup and then we're in the current day and we Bounce on in here to arrange her giving a tour at balancing rock national park and there's a It you know stereotype. We got a typical asshole. Tourists harassing the ranger was stupid questions questions which I didn't note it down but it does make sense. It's balancing rate National Park but the balancing rock was was physically taken down the accident danger. No something it. Because when the cast a shadow it looked like a giant Dick Alright so they destroyed it which was Al comical and in its reference Anyway so the guys were asking him. The Rangers dislike. He's actually pretty good spirited about it just it goes right past it The concludes and then of course the Rangers starts to hit on one of the one of the two young women in the group who hang behind. There's some reason well maybe they were kind of into the ranger and then we cut to the title sequence and I found it funny the Music Nick. The tempo and a lot of the notes sounded a lot like the music from Lord of the rings when they had the ORCS that bomb bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-bum-ba. Yeah so hurry all right away as kudos intentional or not. It's it's where the hat tip. Yep Yeah nicely done yeah there is A. There's a movie on prime. That actually has a description that says it's the NAS Farrah to movie and it's like just different enough from Dracula to not legally infringe on copyrights that's the actual like. That's the lighter. Note Yeah Yeah that comes up on the show description. I bet he sits next to the guy who does the dates. He's in the next cubicle. You know and I love that lantern out but Yeah the music. It doesn't a lot like it but I feel it's just different enough to sit on. Its own and then and while the intro credits roll the production value already on. This is pretty good. Yeah From the opening shot even wasn't a dark mine yeah crystal-clear no noise in the film. He gets the every hair in that. Mustaches yes you can But yeah everything was is so far. Sound everything yeah which can go south quick it it can cause sometimes you know you get some season like they're they're doing b-movie it can. It can be a little unbalanced throughout throughout the whole film but this one it's really even it's really consistent what we've had. We've had two opposites. We've closed quarters right which is either in an actual came eh or a set right right Either way it's close. You know confined space in. The sound was dark and dark so it was well it. It wasn't echoey it Everything was good and then we're outside. Yeah right and the lighting was a control Sounded good would watch every little bit. You know the ambient sounds were clear. You know you're talking like five minutes right just the first five minutes I I mean already. We're we were like. Yeah all right cool. Yeah it's a team of people who who know what they're doing. Obviously well yeah like. I said he's done stuff off. You know I didn't list any of it and I'm not GonNa because I'm a little upset about the is Mr Blak Mr McPherson who's at under and then and how much this is true in in trying to reach out to define the human being right fucking nightmare that was so anyway and the acting too I. It's it's not written but the acting to is is pretty solid even just this first little bit gain in this movie. No one's going to be nominated for an Oscar for this movie but but like they weren't bad at all. No I mean it was good. It was what we were talking about before. In in the one actress in Blas Pastor was was doing it. Yeah I'm no one else was. She wants yeah well so far. They're all been doing it. The even asshole tourists even do she got so next we have. The Rangers is fishing and he gets bothered by a radio call so at the ranger station. We see Marge who was on the radio and asked him to come in and as as it gets there she introduces him to a new ranger. Hobart I could debt ranger not a full ranger Roy arranger in training who has come to help out since there are other ranger when aimal that and that's all that we got from that he's like oh so there's a missing ranger yeah. Marge doesn't like cal. John cale right. She doesn't like original Ranger Guy. Well to be fair he might have been mentioned at this point. You might have missed it up until close thinking about that when we should wind like did they as listening for it but this time we were taken stunned just hanging. Yeah so They get sent out on a call and Something has spread garbage all over a yard and Hobart thanks it was a bear there and he's going on about black. Bears and Grizzly bears and black bears are garbage. Bears and Grizzly bears killer. Bears knows a lot about his in it. Yeah yeah he's he's got data with his little notebook teacher's pet ranger. The Rangers says there hasn't been a bear in ten years. The homeowner says says it was teenagers camping nearby. He knows it so of course they go to the teenagers. The Rangers do and blame them telling the head off and in doing so they confiscate some pot of course and then from the opposite end so from the forest looking out at the Rangers in ends up. We have a monster. Pov Yeah and this is where it was it was decidedly cheesy. But it was fun. It's kind of that green shifting colors but it was cheesy but it did successfully do what it was supposed to do which was differentiate. And let you know exactly you know and yeah you know. This isn't this isn't a treaties on American history. Or are they all of a sudden. Do this weird lighting thing. I mean it was fun right because you knew right away the ORCS watching and you know that's the funny thing a lot of horror movies right and this is technically a horror movie. Yeah it's it's a comedy or comedy either way You know a lot of them don't allude to what's GONNA be fucking with the the people trim right best right here in the title or or issue have any doubt. Let's tap this movie movie. Refer to the title please so and then So right now. We have a couple in canoe and It's the asshole tourist in his wife. He's being a total dick. Oh yeah he's just being a swing blink falker in All of a sudden we're triumph can errol berries inner chest and slouches over and and then at first. He's pissing me. You're not doing your part Rome row. And then he looks over and they searched the panic because he sees that she's been impaled. Put this aero- Yup. We cut back to the ranger and Hobart who he the rangers shows calling Hobie right. That's the nickname that he gets and the ranger is smoking pot that they confiscated from the teenagers. And he tells toby that it's to determine whether or not it's real pot. Yeah and Hobie seems Kinda Gullible. He's like how much of it do you have often and the rangers like don't question me. Hobie is like the quintessential like needle Meyer character. It all he's He's just happy and and you know he's he's as dumb as a box of rocks. Yeah he's very sweet and you know he's all about what he's dealing and stuff so it. There's no question. This is a comedy. Yeah at this point on here. This is where we caught. The Rangers name is cal. Yes and hope. He's kind of a he's the bigfoot enthusiasts. Julius remember that people it's going to be important goes on about bigfoot for quite a while uh-huh and then march calls in hobe accidentally rats out cow about the pot. Here's we're going to then confiscated. He's testing the pot to make sure you answer they. She tells them to go. Line the toilets with lime time or something along those lines. Yes the toilets getting out of control and you gotta go pour some lime in there. Yeah Anyway and then we cut back to you the Dushi the guy on the river. Yeah the dead wife and he's been taken out by law of era. Looks like a fucking Pincushions Larionov. And they're huge the healer which I kinda liked yes dainty stuff. These are savage humanoid creatures right from who knows when in History Theresa those unwritten years of you know fantasy mythology right horse. They have giant flock in your house. which again like an inch thick well in in in Lord of the Rings Right You have the doing their arrows and they can spark things up? Then you have like the guy in baseball baseball bats with points autumn right. You only need one so in town. The Rangers are loading line into their truck and so there's a woman Katie Who is protesting something? Just her on her own with all scientists in circles with the sign. We can see from Kale's face right away that he knows her and you can still you can feel the uncomfortableness common as she spots him And then she wanders over and then they get into you'll he's eating a donut. They get into an argument. There was a relationship so that's not terribly important right. You know but my favorite part of that was was that she's coming over his like. Yeah let's just get in the truck and go Hobie but we've already paid for this line and he's like it's fun. Yeah so at the toilets cows making Hobie do the do the manual labor dumping lime into the toilets ballots and then when he comes out. Cal's like oh great. I have to so he goes in to use the facilities and when he discovers a body in the toilet well he looks he looks down. He's like poses flashlight out. And we see a head ahead yes you can see that still attached to a body. Yeah but ahead poking up from pile of Shit in line. That's Yup I uh-huh and it was it. It's someone that CAL new and there. There are claw marks on the bathroom door and Kells like how did you not see him. And he's like I wasn't looking in there which is fair yeah and Hobie immediately jumps to it was bigfoot right here the ten bucks scratches on the door and stuff and yeah and cows like wall had to have been a bear. You know the first twin in ten years again they go over this again and we learned that the dead guy was the missing ranger. Yes that went awol. Yes Okay Hey so Back at the station amidst all this all of a sudden cal has been hit with a surprise drug test March. Set it up. And she's super delighted. Thanks how right and she can eat them is that they're together. It's just this venomous exchange. which just fun it is? It is And at this point I this is where we are talking about the shots inside and outside bright light in the shade and shadow and stuff had been really a good And I noted that the lighting and quality you know is of everything is just good and so far up to this point has only been a couple of shots where the light was really hot says when they're outside in the sunlight was shining off their white trucks bought it didn't blur the rest of the frame. Now it didn't star. You know this the star streak right. It was just noticeably. A little washed out in that spot which is fine because without a ton of of diffuser gear for outside shoots. That's expensive not on. You're not on a lot of indie filmmakers equipment. Lists you know you'd camera you need liquid medium recorders need this often that all right things to diffuse light our way the bottom of the list is only have so much money right by what counts like if we get an angel investor you know if we if we stretch goal but the other thing too is There was a couple of shots face where you could just see like on the cheek bone. It was super white. You know it was. It was burnt out but again I didn't cheapen the whole thing it. Didn't you know it and most people aren't we're GONNA fucking pay attention to that. Well a filmmakers can be like oh a little hot there yeah and and compared to a lot of other movies. We've seen. I mean those little things are really just like you know nitpicky me and I'm not calling him out on it on there saying that as far as if view wanted to look for technical cops that is hardly it barely makes the list you know. And and that's that's a goal to achieve right they did a fantastic fucking job so visually Anyone is GonNa be putting something together as watching this movie again. That's what you're going for right a little bit of hotness. That's all right with that. Yeah so anyway back to after after keeping his COP. Now they're out putting up signs and it's funny. I looked at the sign in. Its beware of bear signs and it looks like a bear. Air Is pulling a guy over a picnic table ready to run a train on him. That's what fucking graphics. I'm glad that you mentioned that because I love this signs did do. And here's the funny thing. They're not far from some of what you'll see in some of the older signs. I don't know what I'm supposed to be afraid of. This thing is going to kill me. were or what both of those things are terrifying. I am not for I either. Okay So of course wall then we get another monster. Pov The green And then Hobart finds a large footprint. No we get some word plan big but I knew this was coming as big. Foot's big feasts big sheet big in the end they're going back and forth and discussing the etymology of the word which is fun. I enjoyed it and then of course hobart wanders into the woods. Woods cal follows him with a rifle. Oh so while they're going to put these bear signs up after Pete in the COP. He was bitching the marge. We need weapons. It's she gives them a drink tranquilizer gun and tells him that he'll get into the gun locker if he prize the key off her cold dead Ed body right and that's one of the funny things throughout the whole thing is they're both gs nine you know public servants just nine. You're not my boss key. She's just you know he's he's just that Kinda guy he's he's right he's not gonNA win or she calls it her parking. He's like it's not your park. Let my boss you're park Anyway falls with a rifle finds Hobart And then there's some etymology discussion again. And then they find this weird totem. Yes right as weird thing like sticks with skin the Dan Raven feathers and some weird. I don't know bony ship stuff. Yeah so Then we have a monster. Pov and We can get as they kick it over. Cal Kicks it over enough of this weird shit and then of course we. Aw No so right. Clearly whatever's watching them is unhappy with this situation not cool though. Yeah so that night. Hogan cow are in. I'm guessing one of the ranger cabins or something. I wondered because Rangers do stay in cabins in the parks but this really looked like they were sort of like in the back room of the ranger station again. Live our lives live there. Yeah it doesn't look like an apartment. Yeah right it doesn't look like a a living quarters it looks like while it's a fucking couch coach and he's on the floor because it gives hope you the couch Random Shit in there. It's it's weird but it anyway. Whatever it is? They're having some small chat and Hobie is all about the idea of being a park ranger. He goes into how much he loves it and how passionate he is about it and kills like. I really just wanted to be at this park in Hawaii. Oh yeah drinking out of coconuts and doing nothing wherever the native girls bring me more drinks and coconuts. Yeah what a dream but cal hates being a park ranger yeah And then he points out a picture of Zeke on the wall callback to the front. You know beginning of the movie Mr Mustache. Indeed Zeke Mustache Who was the park's first ranger in his apparently a hero? Oh Yeah. He's a legend. Yeah yeah the guy that all park rangers look up to right. Yeah cut to the teenager campsite. And there's they're being teenagers. Yeah a couple of them are fooling around in attent. Of course one of them yells at them because he's trained to read the third wheel. which I I always in every refocus movie well almost every movie the ones that it's not in it's because there's like three pairs? Yeah re boys three girls you know at least one one pairs going to go off and fucking sometimes to leaving the last pair in an awkward. You know I'm you know we don't know each other. And what are we supposed to do kind of thing. But it's always this almost always always this other third person who who who. Hey key that I can dumb where you go on a camping trip with your friend in his girlfriend or your friend and her boyfriend whatever the right attachment right and if you don't think there's GonNa be some fucking which is. Why are you surprised? Always brise they're always annoyed by it now. Lou Snug enough you know reading his little little book by Herman Melville Fantasy Book but I don't know why you bring a book camping like trust anybody to faulk and it's going to be some fucking anyway. There's some sounds outside the tent and we get the classic slicing of the tent wall with a giant like work bastard sword yeah and Then there's blood splatter and screams because that's how fucking in the woods and it is. That's how everyone camping mothers washing splattering spring ring. Not In a good way So we come back to. The Rangers and callous was woken by the sound of war drums. which are really quiet actually? Yeah I wasn't sure both well all the time. I Oh yeah there's yeah it's slow coming in and yes really faint. That was that was one of my very small gripes. I think those should have been a bit louder. Should have been especially when cal is coming off of a major high. Yeah Dan Booze Right. And then he's like falls asleep as anybody knows in those situation right you could sever limbs from someone someone who in that state. They're not gonNA wake up now right but wakes them up anyway. Goes outside uses a bullhorn. He's yelling at the teenagers can come down there bullshit off And then it stops. He's like yeah and then boom boom boom boom Ma but then we see who cal cal had no intention of going down. Just gives doc goes back in any some for some reason. He falls when he's hanging up his hat in the bullhorn on a hat rack. He hits the floor hard yard and So he wakes up in the morning on the floor. And he's broken. The picture of Zeke. Yeah it's hit the ground and it's cracked her. He looks at it. And it's like there's an epiphany moment when we get that down Kinda like the eighties. Oh right idea so We cut to later. He's all dressed up. He's looking good. He's waking up Hobart and he says he has twenty four hours before the the drug test comes back so he wants to show them. He's the Best Damn Ranger ever hell. Yeah right and the first move is to get off. Can teenagers out of the park. So yeah they're going to the bear. I get rid of the teens. Teenagers that wardrobe bear problem. Yeah they go to the campsite which is all torn up and they think it's the bear so they're going to hunt it down and they think. Initially that the teenagers must have gotten awakes. There aren't any bodies and well. No they defend blood smear Iraq. Yeah but didn't equate to murder right. More of a somebody got hurt right but Hobie gets all excited and shoots a chipmunk. The drink rifle. He's like what should you. Yes fucking dead. Dan Gilbert uh-huh chipmunk instead instead of a tranquilizer this this is bring down a bear. Chipmunk didn't stand a chance yeah yeah well yeah then we get our first actual glimpse of the ORCS through the fog in the woods. There is fog in the woods yet. Not a dimissed full on fog in bright daylight alerted. It's it's kind of it although you know. That's not how. How fog works or cafod? I'm sorry ORCs fog. That's ORC fog. Okay then they see the Hobie Kelsey ah the impaled head of one of the teenagers on a stick and it's awesome it will do it Nicotera L. level. Yeah had this was fucking amazing. It was so light phone. Yeah money was spent hardcore on that effect. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So they see it and they run like cal and while Orquesta shooting at them and then they run back to the truck and one of the giant ORC arrows gets lodged in the door. Yes the truck. Yeah So this we get back back to the station they're pulling in Coming in hard coming in heavy So cal's giving Hobart art orders and tosses him a gun as funny. 'cause Hobart misses it hits the ground and it goes off here and nobody cares right right and then next we have a hobart writing through campsites born telling people to get out. And I've got this. We pulled this because it's just it's just so fun so let's let's hear let's hear the evacuation order instructions uh-huh park patrons. Please remain calm. But there's a horde of bloodthirsty murderers heading your way. Please leave everything. Think leave your belongings and go away far far away. Run into what looks like a black man. bigfoot A SASQUATCH or serial rapists. Please run for your lives. Killing a teenager. who was using illegal drugs probably was a good person? They love that at the end. Still escape choked up over it so that was actually two parts because it was broken up by cal hitting on the two attractive women from earlier. This is just a little leg. You know verbal footsie then eventually angelique like okay. Well you just gotTa get the fuck out here so we pulled that out but just adorable. I just I don't the the the endless I understood the big foot and then cereal cultivate. What's maybe that was? What the maybe it's from the sign? Yeah that barrier rapist maybe maybe just trying to cover all basis maces. So what ends up where you know they get back together. And he's like yeah. I got everything. Yeah we're all out. Yeah An in house. Like what about the golf course. You know he's listing off all the places and he's like Oh shit but my mic. He forgot to evacuate the golf. Course you did. Yeah and he and hoagies broken up about it. Yeah because you know. He's currently it's fine. They have the golf clubs they can fight off with golf clubs and then we go. We're at the golf course. And we see one of the golfers yelling at in order to get off the fairway. Yeah he doesn't know he's at work. I guess arm and yeah as I say it's important to say what we've seen the ORCS is they are wearying medieval armada wearing full plate armour. It's old and rusty. Yeah and they all have helmets. Yes which we'll talk about later with a little teeny tiny eyes slits But by the time that Callan Hobie get there the golfers are gone and and Hobie goes all like super tracker. I know it all of a sudden. He's re he's imagining the seas recreating every second second like Sherlock Holmes style you know rolled over here got up and limped this way hold grabbing his knees you know. It's funny the following the trail of what happened and he ends up finding the golf cart and he finds a a golf ball with a giant to thin it. Yeah and in the meantime is looking around. He finds a shoe in a sand trap. Couple shots later. He picks it up and still foot with an ankle test. He loses uses a Shit Abed carries it with him. Well yeah they end up going to the park information centre slash general store looking at Marvin Larvin It's a mess there some blood and then there's Marvin ripped open lanes floor and I wanted to say Marvin at the beginning when they found around the trash cans that were all messed up. That was Marvin's store. Yeah Yeah Yeah I thought we could change it in the notes but part of this is is to give the feel of how we perceive it. Because that's important. Yeah right and this is a note for filmmakers. You know when you project a location you need to make it clear what location because we thought it was just like somebody's yard right because there are people who do live in the parks because their their the property was grandfathered in in their family home and stuff Or even near the park so they're the park rangers have jurisdiction outside of the park boundary. In those little Bergh's of service Burns because they don't have their own law enforcement right because usually it's an animal related thing they'll go bats bears from the park you know but anyway Yeah so it's Back at the General Store Marvin Leagues that. He's on his done. Yeah he's been peeled like a banana. They hear some sounds and they open a closet. And there's an ORC cheating on something that they just shut at the door and in a burst through the door knocking them over and it's coming Adam and all of a sudden Bam marches there. She blows a hole in this thing. Yeah right and they're like. Oh thank you and then Bam suddenly marge's dead yet another another or it is inspired her at the heart from behind at this point I just WanNa say the blood splatter and the blood flow is highly acceptable. Yes it's yes. This is what we came for. This is what we got our. So they Like a Russian Ruckus and and. I WANNA play this because this is just awesome. So this is what happens when you put your life in Hobart's hands ready for this. I know that's later in the movie. Is it later. Yeah Yeah when they go back to all go back. That's right. Yeah you're ahead babe because I'm so excited because this is so funny I I should just do it anyway. We for the appropriate. I'd no no you're right because it involves Katie. She's not in this yet. Her got delays. You WanNa play another sound bite. I don't know because Hong leader okay all right. And he's favorite one right there though I know and so anyway They lift their helmet off and we have our first. ORC ORC face I just WANNA say because we had this discussion right. The I'm going to jump ahead. One of the brilliant things things about this was the use of armor and helmets for Orix. Because that's what they wear. The amount of money saved I announ on makers they had like like twenty to thirty ORCs. Yes right now. They had a whole group. Yeah to make all those people up that that will take your fucking budget and just you know laid open like Marvin because it's not only cost of makeup at the time it's the time. Yeah so if you don't have thirty makeup people add that up on the budget sheet Yeah how long is GonNa take to make these guys because this wasn't just pure makeup right wasn't like a bald cap. Some bad cammo paint on the face. Now it was legit Mak- you know looking ORC. Don't work teeth like the JAL coming ahead like And the reason I know this is because he had over his is the black like paint warping strikes. We've seen it. We see a couple others later on. They don't look like this but there are the several scenes where we see a lone own or ACC. It's The Sky Right. You know if you watch it again and look closely not just because of the makeup. It's the same guy you see. It's just like they made him up and then did a whole bunch of scenes. Yeah yeah which is fine because you know an organic. That's fine I. I was cool with that but anyway So Hobart I Anson Org cal just goes no no. It doesn't and then next thing we know they're in the truck trying to get the fuck out of the park. Yeah yeah and that's important to note there not here to be heroes they WANNA leave. Gather like yeah fuck this shit. They said they're fleeing emmy find the road blocked by a bunch of ORCS. Put a fucking everything just sitting there so they turn right around and one follows and cal are you. Are you OK. The star backing up first right. Yeah and one follows and calendar up in the back of the truck fighting because it caught up to the truck and climbed up in. Yeah and I. And he's like fighting it with a shovel. And this is one ORC with the face showing. Yes so they put these made up ORCs rather than the armored ORCs in really key parts in the movie the screen time yeah shots. Let's and they they were really smart about that But all the ORCs they had the barricade where all just in armor right yeah Ammon in the OB crashes the truck. Of course he does. He's real worried about cal. Vaccine is not paying attention and so they have to continue running on foot but hoagies hurt his ankles hurt and then they're saved by Katie because as the running an ORC comes up to them and they're stage by Katie who fired it fucking dynamite Arrow no Arrow from a longbow with a stick of dynamite attached to it. The and blue on he's gone was unexpected and say I instantly got a a little bit of respect for Katie despite her like conspiracy activism right. That's pretty bad as that is yeah. That was the first of so they debate for a while about where to go and they eventually decide on the ranger station But I they need the key to the weapons locker. which if you remember was on March who was who died in the convenience store they just fled from so it it takes they they get back there and Hobie and cal go in and it takes a really long time to get the key? Because he's super grossed out about getting it He he looks like he's feeling around in a shit filled toilet. The Look on his face reminded me of trainspotting. Spotting McGregor's is shoulder deep event overflowing crapper can for the drugs that he dropped so and and I'm just GONNA go ahead and run that one because that was also my favorite launching that which one is that is. Oh that's it that's it. Maybe it's Bra. That's where my step mom keeps. Her cell phone The facial expressions were appropriate. Yes Oh man okay after that happens pam in orca peers. There's a whole thing that goes on and this is gonNA play the sound clip after this. Hobart Spears it. At the end a torrent of blooding flush out onto cal. which again this is what we came forward directly onto his face and this is what we got it was awesome? That's aw shoot it it does what is it sounds. But here's the thing writing right. Well that little bit perfectly captioned each character okay. CAL's panicking right. He's not a fighter her he must be a lover. Ally didn't get too far with those two women over the last days so anyway but I just the birds and Tuesday only Katie. Can Crunch me up now. You do something Man Okay so after the cover him with with incredible amounts of blood The coming out of the stories cleaning up with baby wipes another good little bits. Allow films don't put in. I noticed it like Oh cool. Who'll right we got that Then the jumping the truck around the way or no. They're on the way back to the ranger station. Asian they find a golfer filled with arrows and Or jump jump jump jump coming so they hide and you pointed this out Lord of the rings style yes right so like in the fellowship when Frodo and company or for sitting out in the ring rates are coming they hide below like a tree root. Yeah they there's a like embankment off the path they jump down in the hiding under it and the orchestra junk Chonkin over one stops throws a rock and he's go move on. Yeah so yeah another if it was by accident. Fine but you you know I feel like it was on purpose. I feel like there's a lot of little nods in this too I think so. Yeah because there's Larry they they are so they finally make it back to the station in cow immediately. Tries to radio for help But they find out via the television which someone turned on that. The problem is not just confined to the park right. It has spread to the town. Yeah Yeah and the nearby area which is troubling and then Homey freaks out see discovers the he lost his notebook his ranger notebook book that he's been meticulously taking notes in this whole time? Yes about the ORCS. Yeah it has everything I learned about the ORCs in it and also they have to go back to get the key from the store. 'cause that was with his notebook he lost the notebook book the key. The key was in the notebook. Yeah and held like I'm fucking done. And he decides that fleeing is the right thing to do yeah but Hobie can't flee and Katie isn't GonNa leave him hers those ankle. Yeah right so cows. Like I don't care. And he just goes well he's GonNa go get help. Well Katie. Who knows that he's not? He's not intending to come back but she tells Hobie that he's going to get help because he's like a single digit. IQ OPIE Taylor alert. Okay yeah well A little while later the hero noise before that we see cal running and he hasn't finding hoagies notebook in the woods. Oh that's right and it has adorable stick figure drawings in it With information and a little stick figure drawing of him in cow looking very heroic arms of kind of superhero hero the elder park ranger and it gives cow poss. Yeah we get that look and then we come to the station. That's a little bit later in the hero noise and They Find Dan who was the drug tests guy right. Apparently he tried to make it out of the park. Didn't work came back to hide and another one of my favorite quotes correct. Yeah he'd it's Dan. I enjoy it so much. Yes because the character of Hobe is it's over the top breath in you know the simple minded character in the group and I just I don't know I really we. It was nice to see it done so boldly in this yeah. Do we need to pad all your saga. Aw those my Coffee Cup. I know we can't put bubble wrap on it because it'll be you know anyway anyway I like how they just rolled with it and it really it just works. Yeah it's consistent and it's timely and it's not overdone. It's little bits like that. That just tackle the Shit Outta me. He Ain't you know 'cause this is the thing this is a fun movie up to this. This point yeah. You're watching. This is fun said Kandic. Timing is really good. It's really good. Yeah really good. They the the writers did well. You're in the actors. Did well carrying out because as can be a huge disconnect between you know you can read something man that's fucking funny and he put it in. Somebody's hands who has comedic timing. Oh man he sure did just put two in the head left it in the alley that was done. We'll attempt if timing coming is really really important to your comedy in your film get Improv actors. Yes because that's literally what they do if you can't find somebody who has a comedic element the ability to do comedy in their acting. Yeah look for Improv. 'cause that's the only way they can succeed. They have to have the timing and to know how to deliver what they're going to deliver in the moment went. Yeah right so we'll tip give luck for sure. I think it's overlooked resource. Honestly it really is you. I know like for Alice Greg. Oh Man Greg is a gem hilarious. Love that guy. There's a scene just to cut away quick. There's a scene where it's only there's less than ninety seconds of cotton to him and then between him and and Mary inhuman back and forth but he he. He's he's supposed to be babbling about something she's not really listening and it's not important what he saying because it's audio cut out. Yeah well it's faded. Yeah it's injury but greg for fuck sake he went on like this fifteen minute fucking diatribe just analysts shed and and everybody is just trying not to fuck in roar. I know and picked up by the microphone because he just with it was impressive. It was. He didn't like pause and you know he just kept talking talking talking to his breath talking talking talking to his breath talking talking talking because it just win all over the place. I'm I I was making that day. You were and I think eventually Jack who was Eighty I think camera camera. Also and he eventually like looked at Isa who is directing and he was like you got to get him to stop at some point even making him talk for like ten minutes man. Well Yeah and and yeah and admittedly we were all all just like Oh my God. This is hilarious and it just we. We would've Sachiko moment. We just sat there all day. Yeah Greg gave no indication he was going to stop but would meet at work as he does Improv and striking. It's it's wild really is all right. Let's get back to this bad boy. Yeah so after Dan of the P. Cup man named some things that in in our video games Calkins MAC stick figure drawing got to him. He's got the keys. Got The books. So they can get into the weapons closet and Hobart finds out that the ORCs have been around for several thousand years. Apparently they don't like light on. I get it. They were just running around in the daylight no problem. Yeah so all right again. This isn't a right fine. I'll write. I'll I'll swing to this. So they get some searchlights in mount them all over the roof of the station and Katie's making more dynamite arrows. Yes I love is really kick ass. She's got a bag of dynamite will visit. Yeah they do that. Quick Montage were there like Marge's fucking gun closets got everything except You know bugging anti personnel rockets. Right you know yeah And then to see you know so. They had this March chichi putting clips in and taping him together is leaking. pull him out flipped over. Stick him back and field prepping all this shit and then we had little Katie sitting in the corner putting high explosives on areas like. It's just nothing. Yeah yeah awesome is so the the montage and they're all bunker up in waiting in the ranger station and Dan the peanut man bumps into the audio system which there's loudspeakers and turns on some music and CAL runs Russia's to turn it off it. It's too late. The ORCS heard it. They know where they are now and it's important to note it's elevator music. Yeah Yeah playing out through the park so yeah The horde is a common the drums the war-drums uh-huh and then the ORCs kind of emerge from the trees and stop. They're banging their drums and they're beating their spears on the ground. Don't yeah ooh and the leader of the ORCS comes out. He's a big guy. He's huge. Yeah I like Haley Gal and he is a massively really impressive face yes very well done yeah. There would be no helmet on his head not this movie and he's the only one without without a helmet that's how you know. He's the leader well and it also stands up on a thing that and he is clearly larger looks more important and yeah yeah anyway and Dan just starts shooting and antiques down at work. Oh Yeah Sir shooting. Before they're supposed to and then or charge in the hero shoot Mac and the the sequence here I mean minutes just your standard kind of like battle sequence right but the ebony is pretty tight not just in the sequence but in the whole movie as steps up except steps up stuff's happening just happening stuff's happening and I actually found it kind of tough to keep up note taking while we were doing it while you're watching coaching. It was hard. Yeah but not in a bad way now because yeah we had this long discussion When you're watching this movie folks it it's it's Bam you here? Banner there Bam you're here Bam you're there yet is so fucking smooth cohesive. It's awesome like I said that little dialogue with a hope are giving is evacuation. Instructions is actually to cut always in there. Yeah right and I had to edit those out in some people But when you're watching the film it just it works. It is not sloppy. It is as tight as can be the editing on this if it. Hey unsee anything about it being nominated for anything showing showing anywhere where I got voted for anything. This fucking movie deserves something for the editing. It does because it it it does it takes you every every Bam Bam Bam Bam and it's not jarring it just works. I don't know how else to explain it. But it's fucking while it is well edited adult. Yeah the whoever did it. I don't know if it was a separate because I didn't pay attention to the credits. But whoever was in charge of the editing did such a fantastic job in fact I will go so far as to say this is another example of somebody in a B. movie on the technical tinkle side of it doing a much better job than the high paid professionals for all the movies. Yeah because we have seen so many areas where the editing is so jarring marring fucking bad right yeah You're just like Jesus Christ for seventy five million dollar budget. You couldn't fuck and cut film veteran that you couldn't find a way to smooth transition out right. Oh you then. Yeah that was ship but this was really good. So yeah and I wanted to note Through this whole fund Fighting sequence with guns they're actually shooting blanks links which people like. What do you mean so if you watch a lot of micro budget films gain when and they have gunfire now they resorted to the special effects of the effects yeah muzzle shots and the sounds right? They when that happens. You don't see the the action right right if you you. You don't see shells projecting from the gun. You don't see the gun action as it fires and then it slides back throws the empty shell out comes forward but being a pistol or whatever they actually were using blanks. Because you could just see paying bang. Bang Bang wasn't fake flashes. They didn't add anything in. It was impressive. It was because it's not it's not cheap to do that brings are expensive. Flanks are expensive There's the whole while there's I mean it's indie films. Who knows how much insurance if any they had? But you know it's Well that's how Brandon Lee died. He got shot with a blank. Because there was an object in the barrel. So while blanks. Don't have the bullet right. Just the gun powder cartridge right. The explosive found. Yeah the explosive horse can still hurt people's it was like if you have a gun with a blank. You can't put somebody's head and pulled the trigger now because they will get powder you'll be you could fucking kill him at that range rank. Is it still a blast. Even if it's reduced charge which whilst most of Mark but you can seriously hurt somebody and that. Yeah that launched that project into his chest and I mean nobody was prepared for it. 'cause it's a fucking blank. I think right so it can be dangerous. You can't you know and you have to pick all that shit up out shooting on location. Somewhere I do you want to go back and note. So when they were running from the ORCS. The first time from the barricade and they were in reverse Hobart does take his gun outside and shoots. But there's no action. Oh Yeah Right. They didn't bother with blanks. Then they just do the 'cause you barely see it. It's it's just like a little bit on the screen right just a little bit. You can usually me pay attention to it. But it's what I do would anyway so I was thinking think and this is really good this isn't fallen muzzle flashes. There right really went out on this one So back back to it. The big fight cal searchlights ORCs repelled by the bright lights and then dynamite arrows are flying bodily functions nations worship worship in. It's awesome one thing about this though the explosions they're not magnificent right. No no and his thing. You can see the blast plates on the ground and blast plate is basically it looks like a little saucer About a quarter of the size is of sausage sled people reference range the metal plate where they put the explosive on it and and really it's just to make the smoke and Kennedy upward force. So there's not a lot of flame involved right and then after the ground you can see the plate rockin where it was detonated So I would say that's one of the things and if you know we had to get nitpicky and bitch about don't let people see two black plates again at this point in the movie didn't fucking care no because it's so enjoyable right. Yeah when I just wanted to point out that you know if you see that that's that's why And the other thing too is They're not using real explosives right. You can use like squibb charges which are don't require fire marshal? Don't require explosives expert. Verts don't require licensing and all that it can get super expensive to blow shit up. We were talking about that with Wolf Com. Yeah lull spent a ton of money the blow that fucking barn up. Yep Yeah not just do the via fax he blew that bitch up and the the amount of time and money in terms of days personnel inspections. And all this you're it's real deal shit if you don't have the money for it because he had some cash you dead. Were Wolf Cub. ORCS didn't now. Yeah so again. That's why there's no fire in the explosions anyway. I digress back to the movie. So this is all going on a bunch of mayhem. And then let's you now it's you cal- has the searchlights justed as explosions. Plus he thought we were on your part. It's okay though. Oh after a little regrouping retreat south laughing at me. It's a coffee. The ORCS are mounting another attack. Case they they retreated a little bit to regroup right. Yeah Yeah and then they're they're coming backout and the begun trump's at this point don't superman with what's going on like the sounds or not matching up with the guns firing during and it was a little little off a little bit but it's okay but I can forgive it Ah But they still manage to get like tension in this battle. Yes it's not. It's not like Lord of the rings epic But it's respectable especially considering you know like the budget and everything thank you like. I think they did as well as they could have done. Yeah Yeah Oh absolutely and it's good aunt. Let's not forget. This is at night eight. Yeah this wasn't a studios shoot. They were outside in the dark And Yeah that's there's a lot going on there. They they did well. Yeah it's a good fight One of the ORCS gets passed. Katie and onto the roof any kids. It's Dan stabs him a bunch of times for the prison movie. Yeah Cal- goes to save him while that's happening. I WANNA I WANNA say hope. We just like singlehandedly on this. Because he's on one so the house and Katie's only other side and so he is like shooting. The remaining works that are charging. There's no one else helping him on this side and he's just taken care of business is it's hilarious because it's while cal as doing like the one heroic thing right and Hobie is is a mix of my Chereau's Chereau's doing his thing and then hope he becomes a hero and he's just like the tracking is all of a sudden just bad ass. Yeah no one. In each hand Bam Pam Pam Pam Pam. It's great kills me but then Oh it's quiet again yep and it looks once more like works have been defeated but you get the sense that it's one hundred twenty minute running time. We're we're not there yet. So maybe there's more Murphy left needed another wave coming. That's the problem. I don't look at them with running time of movies. I know when you will. I can't help it. I'm like Oh so I guess it's not over now so anyway they get Dan inside right. He's not fully dead yet. He asks for his briefcase. And then we have the the the redemption moment where he gives cal back the urine sample. They exchange joke Then Dan dies. Then they barricade the doors and then the hear. The war boardrooms again tries to get their hands together to start a chant rangers. Balancing Rod Kelsey shakes his head up and then the arts are coming again. Yeah and then. This one is Super Noida with the drums because they've annoyed him before and now they've lost Dan the man and he's not having it no so he turns on the loudspeaker again and input on some light crooner music. It's lounge music. That's like Dean Martin Styles these lounge music so the next wave of work comes in the battle is to this lounge music and it's great. That's the score for this. This old next genuinely really good. It works it is it's it's funny AH And they have a well. I wrote a big law. 'cause I had forgot the name of what those were called as I was watching battering Ram. Yeah and I knew I forgot it again of course so thank you but here of shoot them down So they don't get their battering ram to the door. No they get it just up there but not equate and Katie tries to down the leader with dynamite. Aero us it's her last one yes and now I can get him so she gives it a shot and it would have made it but he catches it or it hits him mm-hmm it hits him. Yeah shoulder yeah and he looks at it right. Any takes the dynamite out. Mike pinches the wick which vote was take? Because you know I'm like Oh Katie is going to get it. It's a really long wake vow is really is yeah but then you know she shoots. NFL HOUSES GONNA fuck up hits like Oh. This isn't a are you shitting certainly and the next thing you know another ORC. Has the dynamite ero and leaders like pointing him back to the House with with it. Let so he's a kamikaze. ORC Up going to the house. Yup Yeah Yeah it works. Close the door down through the bear Kane at this point I just real quick this was they did such a much better job Bob fighting the ORCS than anybody Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit Redid Fair right. We're supposed to have these. Legendary warriors is an all this stuff and really if you if you cut the scenes and put them side by side even the best ones from like Lord of the rings not don't fuck all sh- which these guys were doing it you are right So we got the ORCs charging smashing into the building. Heroes Rush to meet them. They're firing away. We guessing very heroic shots Hobart runs out of AMMO and Orrick gets to him and slashes him across the gun and then cal comes up shooting at the Oryx's tries to retreat join Hobart and Katie It is awesome. And I'm GONNA play this because because number one the music in this movie the sound right is good but the music is high quality it is and I. I remember this though like Ooh Right but they and again this is like Lord of the Rings. There's there's some action we're going to hear the end of the action so you're not going to get the full pom pom Pom Paul. You know as they're doing their thing You're going to hear ooh and that's holding slash and then it cuts to this choir type music in reminded me of Fellowship of the ring when Gandalf is taken down right borrowed. Yeah and they have that whole Sinoe now sidewards just hung on their all sad and yes bonded and stuff but this was really good as another element before I play. Loyd why the fuck is there not more about this movie. Where is this guy? Why is he not front and center? Right why would we have to find this in the you know the barrel barrel of prime prime. Yeah and and you know what that is folks. It's when you click on a movie and then you go down like this you know other movies and then you click on one. And then you click on the most obscure ones you can find because then you even more obscure ones under that. One and eight to twenty clicks later right. You're in the bowels. Also Amazon and you know because when you hit play it takes a minute. It's like it's like some robot is running to the far dusty corner of the basement. This Marvi they want to watch that mainly music. Yeah this is just really good. So let's give this a run In that beautiful a- and that's that I could go on and on and on but no one listened to a podcast. Listen to two minutes of Hoyle Music it anyway you got it gets even better from there. That's just how it starts. That cut was brilliant. It was super well-timed And and what follows it gets even more sad. I mean it was actually engaging you know it just took me into the silly fucking film home with the silly fuck and fight at the end but they managed to do. I'm not shitting you people when you watch it. Thank the Lord of the rings this little cheesy battle scene at the end because of Halla was scored fucking ranks right up there well. That's the thing about this movie. This movie is really silly. Concept is really silly. It's it's it's a comedy Horrigan or it's it's goofy and you know that going in but you watch it and this movie is really really engaging it's like it's comedy some of it's stupid comedy but not all of it is stupid stupid. Some of it's actually like pretty legit well. Yeah it's it's the. The one liners the delivery. Will you and I don't have any patience for stupid comedy. Also it depends what it is okay. like National Lampoon's Animal House for the time very obvious comedy rain. Some of it makes me laugh. Not all of it and I haven't seen that in many years and I really no inclination nation to 'cause I've seen it enough I know it. It's not going to tickle me. There's things I don't think about local hero right people might think I'm going to it an an idiot for it but Or brain damage your time. I think that fucking grapefruit scene tickles me. You know because it's just super simple and quick right and they don't overreach on this little gross humor other than you know there's a head or body in a toilet trailer right They don't get into the very obvious pre adolescent sex humor. Right Right It's it's well written it silly I mean you can you know yes. The comedy should be Sillier some levels. Yeah and and the concept works in a park in the mountain for thousands of years. They're not going to go for the Oscar of horror but regional though it is All right so they retreat to the basement. Yes and hope he asks cal. He's he thinks he's dying. So yes cal you tell me about the coconuts again now the earlier conversation responding and then the ORCs breaks through the basement door delete or two and the heroes crawl underneath the station. Yeah it's like dirt floor and there's the pipes and stuff about them which is weird. 'cause they were in a basement. Yeah so anyway. Cool though and cal tells them to go go ahead and 'cause they're not leaving behind you know he's like all catch up so he shoots a hole in a gas pipe and then lights the police up. With a ZIPPO think yeah And Katie and watch the explosion and they mourn him for a second but then cal climbs out of the wreckage. You know like like Captain Morgan. I think you had in your notes stands up there. The hero stance he's gritty. He's smokin token. He claims to fund that rock fire behind him bodies around him. Puts that fucking leg-up yeah. I'm the shit. Well he's Zeke now right and then the leader or comes up behind him. Oh Yeah Yeah And Katie ends ends up coming in to save him. Yes yes so she buys them some time. Yeah Yeah she comes in I K- I kind of feel like she got fucked out of a really good moment that I mean she was doing with dynamite. And then that fizzled out. I know you know and seeing her. Come in to save him but then she gets. It's batted away. You know. She she fucks with the lead. ORC enough so cal can get away or turns around and backhander she's downing Out Yeah she's out. Yeah not dead. No no but she's out of the fight. Nothing she could have had a better moment. Yeah that was really loud. Aw No anyway you can always tell when I like movie a lot. Because I stipulate wildly and I ended up bumping my mic a half million times while we're recording. I don't know where else to put it dealing to true. You've gone over around it in front of it behind it. I the only thing to do is to get like a shotgun. Meyer super expensive shock and Mike and like put over there in the corner have aimed at you anyway. So cal grabs a pipe and just fucking beating this or this is Larry. It's he goes from the heroic thing to this. This is a guy who's had enough and has just she's Pam takes a final swing and ends up knocking the head off right. It's fun so the struggle is over their their victorious. We cut to Hawaii. This is kind of like an epilogue cows Dream Park that he talked about earlier in the movie. And he's giving the tour in one of the tourists is like who are you the famous ranger who killed the ORCS in cal- doesn't answer right cow. Well it's that's another that's constant Consistent with the character right. He's not in all all this for that he's just he's just a guy living. Yeah right so yeah. Instead of answering the question he turns it over to Hobie. WHO's a full-on ranger now? He's not a volunteer cadet anymore. nope he's not an apprentice ranger right arranger in training recall so Hobie walked away with tourists. And Katie comes up to cal was coconut drinks indicating yeah in a bikini any Katie. You could have been more Katie right. Find them movie spun enough that it makes up part anyway distantly in a hole in the Hawaii Mountain. No we hear the drums we get an ORC face. Yep comes out of the dark and then done credits. Yep folks is or it's it's so much fun it is so good we we talked about so much already we really have. I don't know that we need to go deeper for in any event not so much just more like a summary. I guess you know the the one thing I do want to get back to so the music mm-hmm this goes to what I've said in a few episodes on you can have an excellent film but if your choice of music Shit fucking destroy destroy it is true. So here's let's Star Wars game Side from that you know everyone was like it's like nothing we've seen. What made that movie work? And also back to this. Because we're watching the rift tracks version of. Don't even you know the name is so fucking starship invaders invaders star fuckers. I Dunno it's awful. Anyway that has relevance so what Made Star Wars so successful. It was the first sci fi film in a long time that had an actual orchestra not a synthesizer the siser not some one plane. They're fucking folk music on their three string guitar Casio right yeah. It's it and that's would it. I mean let's face it star wars the original people. The story is so stupidly. Simple is genius. Tear Cheer Classic Hero on a journey. You have a white hat black hat. Lucan Han right. He'll get thrown together to rescue the princess. So now we're fairytale were fairy tale and Western right and it really is. It's like a Western sentence space. And then we have the old wise guy and then the big bad guy I and you know the moment of redemption and Yada Yada Blah Blah Blah. It's it's not deep. It's not it you. She would never fuck and find that in script writing Class cookie-cutter cookie-cutter story concept. It is it's that you know what it is. It's it's not even as complicated as we have that periodic element of the periodic table of storytelling. Which I find more humorous than than useful? But it's taking dart and going. Those are my three units. And that's it. Yeah dot not thinking of anything just you know okay so I need to get him from here to here. Okay well this tablets and then we need to do that. That happens. It's not deep. It's not simple and the story is not original right right. The interns will plot what concept but fucking people because music in a movie is what draws people in well and there are a lot of other the things about Star Wars that were well done but the music principally will get seriously the special effects and everything said there. was you know we never seen this before. But that music music it had been bank bank bannock now playing. You know all that is the CANTINA music. But that wasn't done on a synthesizer John Williams scored that right in a paid off and our daughter loves the fucking canteen show man anyway. The music in this first of all was top. What qualities recording right? But the score departs were awesome and I can only imagine some money went to do it either. They pulled it from somewhere or had someone do it. I don't know look into it because it's irrelevant. It was money well spent and if you are making a film in you we know anybody who's in music right asks them to help you out. You know as a kind of if your friends you do things things were friends. That's just that simple. Well people use them people in this community help each other out. Maybe you have a friend WHO's WHO's in music? Who can help you out with scoring your film? You know while you can help them out in some other way with with some talent talent you have right or some of you know well. I'm finding a lot of people Just through twitter. Is You know I'm spending more time on that than I need But just reading. Who aren't where they're from and instagram and stuff is a lot of people out there scoring films for dirt? Cheap right does she. Because that's what that's how we all start out but it's a situation if we had something you know we. We know Alma if she wasn't busy and we gave her a call and said you know what we could use a really the choir piece. We could use a vocal with some. You know even even over just like a prerecorded track of Um and then to have her voice over that right yeah two things one helps us out too helps her out. And that's the thing when you do something for somebody if you have talent and you're helping someone out. It's helping you out because you're getting out there right. Get Credit for the film right. We're going to hear to hear your work work even if it's that little piece but it's just it's a give and take give and take give and take and you should always be willing to help people out and everyone should be eh not so willing to fuck folks over. There's always that risk and when you can come compensate people. Further work definitely compensate or do it in trade. Yeah I mean you know so If if we had someone come to us and give us some music doc. Right I would use every connection. We have to get them out their work. Not You know other than what they did for us out out there to do more and mean and that's just the kind of thing so scoring your short your film. Whatever is super important? You've gotta make the choices like I said sleepless in Seattle love. Tom Hanks it was. It makes a painful to watch and Nora. Ephron that's what she liked you know that you do have to keep in mind you're making your film for anyway That was the one thing I wanted to score on. Tom Was the scoring. That is really well done in those moments where they had it. The music choices were relevant. Not I don't think unappealing to anyone really even if you hated like lounge. Music he right. It worked his music. Doesn't pull you out blows yeah One thing I wanted to and we've touched on a couple of times but Something that I find is increasingly rare in movies. We he didn't in this realm is like evenness of film film tone yes throughout the whole thing. Yes and this film did really well with that and they had inside outside you know dark light all the different times of day all situations but it never felt jarring from scene to scene because the color matching and the lighting all were very even throughout the whole movie it Wa- It was extremely even. Yeah yes in the that helped with the pacing you as well. We talked about editing. Yes lot of. There's a lot of editing here. Some indie films are very straightforward. I the whole scene. It'll be an angle. Maybe two it'll go on for a long time because that's just you can't shoot different angles can't do all this. We don't have the money you got one camera you know and everyone gets gets that everyone who who is in indy or watches. Indy gets it right. There are things you have to be creative and inventive with your storytelling. If you you don't have the money for fifty shots of these seen now this one that tone when you have that kind of editing if the tone is off that's what becomes jarring in distracting but. Yeah you're right it was just the and then we talked about the acting I would think now people can. You know disagree with me because because I'm not an actor. I have no desire to be an actor but I think improv would be a huge thing. Oh absolutely you want to be an actor. Now I see that because we You know When we talked with Kyle right he talked about who he he went to acting classes? Yeah some big names in La and these people cover all this stuff they do all this. But here's the thing a lot of people people don't have that money they're not in La. There isn't really anywhere to do it. and really trying to push for them themselves right another some acting classes round here and we have an Improv company around here. That's actually pretty good. It is but they're not one in the same right right so if you don't have that opportunity if it's not in your curriculum I'll just say that if you're if you're going to class or doing a thing Make Improv part part of it because improvisational comedy now. It isn't right but it helps with your timing and timing is everything if you have impeccable timing you can pull off comedy. That's true that's just. That's that's the whole thing with comedy is timing even if it's not great content we've watched Hundley stand ups and I've seen comedians come and go over over the years now. Mcgrath they make me laugh because it's at that moment you damn Do that uh-huh yeah. I think we covered everything on this on awesome than any other lessons I think we covered everything. I highly highly highly recommend watching this movie. You can watch it on Amazon prime video you can probably watch watch it on a number of different other mediums just like search for it right. 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The Televerse #488- Spotlight on Hilda Season 2

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The Televerse #488- Spotlight on Hilda Season 2

"Well maybe they make some money oversea reality show hello everyone and welcome to the tel verse. This is kate coyne his ever by nicole. Kirkpatrick and Yeah we're pretty much the same place. We were at record streaming. He plays this week. Null zolak on well listeners. I want everyone to know that i Have started proceedings underway to invoke the twenty fifth amendment here at the television and remove. Kate calls from office. Hopefully i will take control right. This ship in this moment of transition until we turn things over to Emily stevens emily. Dennis right yeah emily. Dennis takeover transition of power is. I don't you don't tempt me with knowles gonna do all the editing knows gonna do all. Oh yeah it's a strange time. It's a newly strange time. It's already been strange time. Why would it not be. But we're going to mostly here stick to tv. Right now. nolan. I to peer behind the curtain Were talking before we get started with like. Oh was there any tv news now. I mean there was spread Now 'cause there's news so like i did post like a tweet about the streaming places week but it was like it. Felt so weird to be like re tweeting. All these different things going on responded stuff trying to you know the little bit of a platform that we have here to like share other information things that people are sharing and also be like we did this to. If you're looking for a break from all bet lodge forty nine awesome. It is but But yeah has higher stakes now. It does have higher. Stakes has so much higher next normally would have watched Accepts now. But i just haven't. Because i've been glued to the tv Even when it probably would be better for me to not be but you know. I love a procedural vote. I've been watching so much c-span. I'm going to have so many informed opinions about c-span by the time i don't know we stop feeling the need to watch these constantly. Whenever that happens to be. I mean i think it's great that you're supporting c-span. Yeah it's because it's like. I could watch the same thing on. Msnbc or cnn and then get really irritated at for example cnn for having rick santorum on that arm and or it could just watch c. span and not have that so right and just turn it off when they start talking to the phone lines head out out. Just you check out. Yeah yup so it's been it's been a heck of a week. Remember the beginning of this week knoll. Remember tuesday night raw excited. We were tuesday night sick with that ask. You may have been wondering how well we have a fun show ahead. There is a surprising amount of tv that we've been watching considering that neither of us thought we really what would have anything to talk about. But they're actually are quite a number shows we've been watching And we have two segments. We have two segments. We have three segments. I don't remember the last time we had like three segments. I don't remember last time. we have recycling. It's been quite a while. So i'm now i'm jinxing us. Something will go wrong or will somehow run short as of no run short But where are we talking about. Hill season two which is up on netflix. Animated series We season one quite a bit. Knoll rely season. what. I just regular season one. We're gonna talk about season to college. I know a thirteen episodes each about like what twenty. Five ish minutes twenty. Four twenty five. Yeah so that'll be coming at the end of the show before. Then we have some listener feedback. 'cause i forgot it last week guys until the end so i'm going to remember it up here at the top First of all i was just tickled five the response here so i of course everyone who listens will remember. I was very excited about painting with john. I watched the trailer now. More excited about painting with john The upcoming show from john laurie. 'cause there's like in the trailer he's interacting with paintings and stuff like there's animated sequences combined with like the live action sort of i'm excited is looks. It looks really cool Nothing like fishing with john. But also kind of but i'm looking forward to it So i of course had to add for mr tyler. Smith who listeners long-term listeners may remember was the guest for that. Dvd shelf a fishing with. John introduced deficient john. His response was just perfect. Tyler which was okay. Oh my just exclamation point like just just that. It was delightful so glad that if nothing else. It's myself in tyler very excited for john We heard from vince in bead. Nbk db's thirteen about what new shows there are returning shows. They're excited about a decade db. Thirteen is looking forward to firefly. Lame with kevin hi. Let's the only thing that they want to see vince. reminded us that Lucifer was supposed to be back for the second. Half of season five in january. But that date hasn't been announced yet so who knows. Maybe they're still finishing up surprise or something. Yeah or netflix. Does like a surprise drought and loose forgets. Good like as much as this needs anything. Lucifer gets good ratings for them. So we'll see what happens with that vince. is excited about lane as well and likes high goal in sarah chalk says i'll check that out Once it's on netflix. I will also watch the. Mcu shows disney plus today. Show of resident alien sounds tempting but is unlikely to watch that in germany. Meanwhile they're watching anime. They just started talking to black Complex so enjoy visiting Certainly that was a fun. One for me We also heard from ben from tasmania over at the the the website who posted their top twenty and of two thousand twenty z or another amazing year. Despite all the challenges you guys are facing. I fell behind those streaming place but catching up. I really enjoyed watching cora as well as over the garden wall and the flight attendant now ben. I'm curious it says re watching core. Was this your first time with over the garden wall or you also rewatching over the garden wall. Because obviously they weren't rewatching the flight attendant so syntax wise. I'm not because if this is your first year of the garden wall i'm particularly curious your take And if you were watching obviously like even watch it But here's the top twenty shows number twenty flight attendant so may crack in the top twenty normal people clone wars good place the good lord bird which almost made me wanna buy showtime but not quite enough but this is one that i will catch up with eventually than At fifteen infinity train fourteen briar patch. Keep your hands off. Iso ken coming in at twelve tales from the loop at eleven out. Here you lost me my bed. I know it's just me but that's okay number ten. Is betty number nine after your heart here. Knoll chiro good number eight insecure number seven. Vida number six. Mrs america number five budget horsemen number four. Better call saul number three. I may destroy you and number. Two is better things to one is my brilliant friend. Because they had the second season about this year so obviously a lot of shows that we really like here at the podcast am some other ones that i feel really bad for having not quite caught up with vida is a big one of those is the biggest one of those. Eventually i will get stars again. And then i will catch up with vida But yes some other ones there that i definitely intend to catch up with so thank you for sharing those ben Yeah lots of inch interesting choices in the ranking is always you know since it's meaningless it's always fun for me know to just watch other people who put himself through got same angst or maybe benz. Fine maybe maybe they have a much more like reasonable relationship with top twenty list. Which means they don't give themselves turmoil over it healthier but anyways thank you van. Take vince Thirteen in tyler For reaching out with some of your thoughts about the last year's tv coming tv but yeah let's let's take a break. Listen to some music here and get into our week can. Tv has I have not seen so. He's extraordinarily playlists outside of the pilot. But i jumped jumped in for season two. So we're gonna listen to that. Heading whole load dolly. Well hello deli indeed. I will have thoughts and all have thoughts will be right back with us right after this Kiss now. She didn't want her stress painted on smile and took upwards without Lot about test Is learn how to hide your. That was one of the songs. I haven't quite decided which one yet from this week Probably are you gonna be my girl. I think my favorite performance. No it's not no. It's not. We're going to guillermo what name it's hello dollar year. What's the actress name. I should know this. It's harvey I wanna say gillian that that sounds right. Yeah i think. I'm mispronouncing his last name but his first name is her g. u. i l. l. e. with accents. And so i apologize. I do not know how to pronounce your name but your fabulous and you can sing so beautifully which is always a delightful thing to find out. We're kicking off our weekend. Comedy and reality with zoe's extraordinary playlist and then the episode title is always extraordinary. Return than i'll have a few quick thoughts on history of swear words. I guess season one from net flicks knoll checked out the hustler a puzzle wrapped in tattooed in a mystery tattooed mystery general than i watched the repair shop season three. Because of course did and that's up on netflix. And then we have of course. The season premiere of repulsed gracie's in thirteen. The pork chop so i up is always extraordinary. Play last and Let's talk about harvey. Because i was so excited to see him. Papa like yeah making that network money and then he started singing. I'm like when he has the voice of an angel and gets a good song and in a good it's well executed. I really appreciated the staging in that. It was very you know this has got to be a tricky show to film so yeah. I appreciated the craft more than anything in this first episode. I got so. I could enjoy some of the shipping briefly. Thought they built like almost built to a good moment there with like the showing of the friends place at most ways after the two guys have been avoiding are here and are friends with each other now and this is weird and the only thing you haven't come in as me and that's You don't even work together. Yeah thought they handled all that well not anymore. What did you think this premier. I thought it was pretty solid Again and finds a really nice balance between his personal life in her worked life I think one of the best things about the shows that they find a really good balance how to keep that those trains running on parallel tracks. so yeah i was to be back I really liked him. Opening with hello dolly Number was a lot of fun. It was very silly But i appreciate it. They just went all big and everything. I'm to your point about filming everything my pertinent. I think that they redid the kitchen in the in the house from last season to make it easier to shoot. But we'd have to go back and double check like this spacing between the islands instead of. Yeah yeah. I really think that they like open that space out a little more To to them to do more numbers in the house because there were really limited space obviously and most of the songs in the house in the first season tended to be really stationary or within one room. And i think after. They did american pie in the finale. They realized that they needed to adjust that space of it But this this was still pretty pretty good pretty entertaining like you is really happy to see Guillermo here and still hydroplane a kind of gear s character which was a little sad but i also didn't care because he was so sweet and lovely and just loved just i just when he asks for a hug i just went yes. You can absolutely have a hugging. Now you're hug is to wall and you're the manager of the entire floor house. Oh you can't hug your employees this long. Okay it's fine And then other things in terms of like managerial promotion type stuff in the conflict between her and really tall pervert or guy who's worst but also nuanced and complicated but also the worst I'm really interested in seeing how that's going to play out now that zoe's charging warren grabs like. It's too expensive for me. To keep coming to vancouver. I'm not doing it anymore. Like an Rate out with the fewest number scenes. Possible we'll do this one in the house we can film that whenever and then we'll do one in the office. Yeah definitely Yeah i like the hello deli number. More than i did probably because it really bothered me. That kept interrupting the pacing of it like it bothered too much listeners. It shouldn't have bothered me as much as it did. Because i wanted to like get into it and they would freeze no but This this is. This is very much problem. This is not a show problem. The the sequence at the end of that song anyways i thought the performance of it was fine. It didn't really want me. But i thought the way that they captured the ballet. That happens when you're preparing a in space. You know really well. With people you know really well Was lovely really captured. Exactly they're going for with the wear their at at the end of the episode comforting each other being comfortable around each other and Finding that strength to settle into their normal routine again. I thought it was just a really lovely way to convey that the the opening number the fact that it was actually most singing was great as opposed to one of the things like one of the superpower things I think they really did not do a good job with the love triangle. And i say that. Because i don't know that it is a love triangle because even when i tried to watch the promotional like season one catch up. They didn't show really anything from the love triangle in that season up and i appreciate that on the level of like this is not the most important part of her life. This is just one of the things that's happening in the season. That is awesome however if a major plot point in your premier is the fact that she's dealing with two different guys who both are into her and the only thing you tell me in like the catch up on one thing is well. One of them is her good friend. Who's in love with her and one of them is somebody. She works with that. She tries to jump in one of the songs who had a fiance frequently doesn't still. That's not enough information to get me on board. Yeah this should tell you that simon. Who's the one that you're referring to also has like a stronger sort of like emotional soulful connection with zoe Because his he lost his father and that was his big plot. Arc was coming to terms with the. Nc's one and it's useful to mention that in a catch up because that's kind of one of the big motivators that also. He's very handsome. Yeah he's clearly is like handsome and more handsome. He's clearly more handsome like villanovans Very handsome looking great. They do well by him in like the way he's like made up in the costuming in the hair and everything They're being like they're going forward but like yeah also the. This feels very much of the so. She's getting end up. Simon because of how the season premiere ends. It's like okay. They would like the that rousing that rousing endorsement of well. You gotta make decision. Let's make out. It's like that's what you wanna hear you professor your love. Well if i go a hundred six so for me see that didn't feel right to me at all because it didn't feel earned over the course of the episode because that little thing with the rain was so cute and she was wearing it all episode and she cats feeling it as she kept looking at it and she kept like drying comforters. It yeah using it right. It was a great the runner and it's felt like it was bleeding very much. There's a reason i'm still. I'm thinking about this. I'm still wearing this like you know. And then they don't even get to that geno so we'll see what happens with i'm to keep watching for now. I also very much enjoyed the. Are you gonna be my girl number. So they captured the awkwardness of that friendship. That will immediately dissolve what she talks assignment pretty well and the last thing i have for this one Oh besides the videos lovely with the dead Was that the the the idea for the restaurant that is take out from other restaurants is a terrible idea that already exists in. It's called a bar where they don't food tasting bar where you can order take off from other places like there's one ten minutes from here in the suburbs right like this is not a new idea. There's way too much. Disrupting it because it's going to be an app yet. There's there's way too many like overhead costs or any restaurant. You couldn't possibly charge that like it. Doesn't it's a terrible idea. They needed to better with their idea. What did you. What did you think. I wasn't paying attention pop point at all like i don't even i didn't even know until you explained to me that that's what they decided to do. It's a restaurant where like you can go out but still get food from other places. So that way like the simon said about all. I can use my vegan again like you could also just eat vegan food. You dick you could v delicious plenty of good delicious. Have just not eat meat once. It's fine so yeah. That was the only other thing. I had any final thoughts on swim. Nope nope. I'm i'm excited. It's back so yeah looking forward to our next episode is the season one of the history of swear words which is super delightful in my opinion twenty minutes in episode suit like really easy goes down like i wish i was going back and forth watching that and watching everything on wednesday Return as a good like okay. Let's check back all in twenty or forty minutes to see if anything's changed if we know anything new yet. You're like after. Congress was back in session arguing about arizona So this was. I thought a good mix of mostly very very light and playful with a little just just enough substance to like. Get you to keep watching very little. I would have liked more substance. I also don't know that i agree. With all of their word choices They they are not equal. They did bitch a dick and damn Which is sort of place. Because it's a it's a it's literally curse as opposed to write you sort of a different thing but it is considered a swear in the but most of the episodes about how like even really count as swearword like come on really so so that was kind of interesting also is like oh i see. We aren't ready to deal with. The c word is like that's an actual swear that we could actually talk about but It was. i thought it was fun. It was good mix of comedians. And there would they have a handful of lexicographers who show up in every episode likes that those remained constant the comedians went in and out from you know depending on their clearly like certain words that certain. Comedians wanted to be in that episode. You know a so. I'd like that. It's not the same people in every single episode but yeah i was not expecting twenty literally two zero minutes for episode. It's eclipse right along and Yeah it's just entertaining enough to have me be charmed in ready if they wanna do a season to at some point definitely. Can't you've significantly buried the lede. What's delayed how wonderful. Oh he's fine. he's having fun. That's all i care about is the. He's having fun in. This is a. There's a good sense of humor about about himself. He talks about how dick is a name. That also is swear to many people. And how come it's dick. And what if it were. Nick in can't go back in time and change it so that you're being total nick. Right now isn't actually a thick like it's ridiculous. There's quite a like he's he's just he's game. He's very game as not hilarious or anything like that but it is a good in. It is an interesting choice In who they got to do it. And in how he approaches it from a star persona point of view and There's you know it's not. It's a fascinating sort of like analysis of his place in the pop culture Heavens but it's it's interesting in. It's fun so. I will be curious because i know that on twitter. People are asking you if you were of course going to watch. History servers is part of your nick cage. Marathon that you're doing. What is it called again. Cages on the cage democ. And you said not until you finish the movies. So i will look forward to your thoughts when you get probably gonna watch it before then but i was just like we. Haven't we haven't discussed whether or not we run to watch it yet i will. I will be curious. I would have liked a lot. More analysis of cultural impact of certain words Like there there was a bunch of like well now changed in the nineties. Mike didn't really change the nineties. Or you people who are being interviewed all of an age range where that's what you're going to talk about. And some of it did change in the nineties based on the the boom of Like hip hop rap culture and the prevalence of some some of these words in like mainstream pop culture if the Sure but also like. There's clearly age demo that they're going for with this so i look forward to your thoughts. i'm curious your thoughts on the hustler a puzzle 'nigma tattooed mystery Because this is hosted. By craig ferguson and craig. Ferguson is quite possibly my favorite late night host ever. He's delightful and very interesting and funny So it wasn't enough to get me to dvr sweater or to to send a season recording. So i haven't watched yet. Should i based on the first episode. Probably not on ferguson's great. I'm naturally but he's not quite enough to do because he's a he's a game show host and he can't interfere too much either because the premise of this show is that it's a blend of a trivia show at a social disruption show so there are five contestants. One of them knows the answer to all of the all ten of the questions that they're going to be asked and each each question is related to factoid about the person to help the other. Four contestants figure out who. The hustler is so for instance. One question was bowed The one one factoid was the person who had watched the fifth element eighty times k. The trivia question was what country. What country was the fifth element produced it which they got wrong france. They guess canada which was a big swing and a miss but so that kind of thing So each question is tied to a factoid of some kind To kind of help you. I think remember it but also pride like little bit of theme after the third and a say fifth or sixth question the hustler eliminate someone which they all do by voting on the ballot but only the hustler. Ballot actually means anything is just to keep that going So there's a couple of things that kind of keep the show from being really completely entertaining. One is the fact that kurt. I just can't interfere too much on because he's mostly there to keep the trains running on time because otherwise you just get people kind of going trying to poke at one another to figure out who they are. The second thing is is that most people that don't play a lot of social deception teams are really bad at social deception games And the first group in this are not very interesting and so they make for really bad television Like i've watched people play social. Perception dame's on youtube and stuff and if they're good at being on tv than it's deeply deeply Being on camera that it's really entertaining four when it's five people looking to win one hundred thousand dollars minimum than it's it is just kind of i need more entertaining better casting basically Which does not help. So those are the two big factors with it on. They're still. I think there is a good idea here And i have set a series record for because we still have enough. Remember scheduled for something like this so this will actually regular air on thursdays on abc. They just did a preview on monday. So up like attentive. Maybe recommend but i mean there better things to watch for an hour okay. Well and like. I'm intrigued with that premise. Can they work out the kinks to make it like the better version of that. Know like can they find the optimal version of that because the oslo version of that will be really fun. Yeah i think so too Just i think a lot of people is on the casting and the fact that the way that everyone played this first game initially was basically just say as little as possible which is just like. Oh okay well. That is a strategy. It is terribly boring for television. Doesn't really work. Yeah the also. I mean we. We were talking about it but we had the season. Finale of supermarket sweep with just like tears. I didn't realize there were only being ten episodes and they broke the series record in the finale. Which is very exciting The that team crushed it but Yeah i have a little space so maybe this is one to checkout. But maybe i don't know. Because i would say wait till episode three or four but editor for won't necessarily be better 'cause the game show. Here's the thing about it. Also being game shows that the first episode that the air was the fifth officer produced. Yeah so that makes also kind of a difference in what you think about it. So the actual like first game for step. So that they shot isn't won't be shown until next week on the fourteen. So yeah it's a game show doesn't matter they probably because of the pandemic i don't know quite when they filmed us know if some this filming it late last fall apparently so they may have able to finish it before everything shut down and they they just a debt which would which is smart in which case then. Yeah they probably still this all really quickly anyway. Just because it's a game show. There wouldn't have been tweaks changes to it. Yeah yeah yeah well a show. That doesn't need any tweaks changes. Is the repair shop but if it did it knows where to go to get. It does nowhere where to go. Get them Season three is now available on netflix. Season one anti no longer available season three available. It has thirteen or fifteen episodes which i watched in the span of like two three days. Mine was frantically getting some paperwork done And i didn't know putting off starting it. Because i didn't know if i was in the right head space for it as i don't know i'm like well i guess we'll started and then of course as soon as they started i was like that's right. I love the show. The show is awesome. The show is so comforting the show so delightful. These people are so good at their job. That's the crucial thing with any of the skill based reality that i watch which is most of the reality that i watch. Is that the people who work on. The show are really really good at what they do. Which makes it just compelling to to watch them. You burn things just by watching them. You are entertained into can appreciate their craft This season in the thirties. I should say they added in a upholsterer Which is cool in. Yeah so like it's. It's always fun to watch people who feel as passionately about subjects. That i'm really not knowledgeable as i do about. For example the tirade went on the other day to my patient. Mother about this book that i recently purchased. I'm holding to so that Full of music by famous composer. These short pieces. No it is seventy one pages long. There are like twenty something pieces in it. Do you know what none of these pieces have. Measure numbers measure members. Why would you not number the measures. Why would i give music to a student. And i say hey. Can we start the third line the fourth met like. Why would i strong feelings about this. And the way i feel about this is the way that there are. Pollster feels about like putting foam on an antique chair. Right as opposed to like. Oh it'll be a crime. You couldn't possibly do it now. You gotta we gotta do the springs with you know like really built in with the caldecott like the the passion and the the awareness in the this is why so many people do not care obviously fisher which is published on usually purchase from for. These reasons doesn't care. But i care 'cause it's a small thing that makes a huge difference in how i use this and will use this Seventy page book of music moving forward And it's always very satisfying to watch people who know what they're doing do what they do and allowed to do with asia. You know having having a venue where there's clearly not unlimited budget but a knocked budget. That's not going to be a limitation where they go like well. This is a beautiful necklace. The like it's missing some rubies. We'll just here go. Buy some rubies to put into this necklace right. as opposed to can the person afford rubies. Or are we gonna leave holes in the necklace kind of thing. So it's just it's really. It's really neat. There was a there was a like a trunk or a suitcase by louis. vitton timing the original louis vitton from like the eighteen hundreds and when he first started breaking through as a as a designer. So it's like there's some really cool stuff and i was watching the season. Who's my favorite. Who's my favorite person. That repair shop is it the the paint Restore the arbiter. Who works magic. Is it the ceramics expert. Is the brother sister. Duo of the clock of the harare logistics. The clock maker guy who also loves doing Toys than cars and trucks that come in or in his sister the saddle slash leather experts. Like it's delightful. It's very good so again strong. Endorse for the repair shop on netflix egypt. Sounds like forty five minutes. So long So yeah gobbles the right up. Our last episode for our weakened comedy and reality is rupaul's drag race seasons teen the pork chop so i preview this a little bit last time. Now think of our shakeup in our season premiere here. So i think having ever do lips right at the top is a really entertaining fund sort of thing to do Since lipson become increasingly increasingly increasingly important to the show in part. Because it's just it's it's the thing that everyone talks about afterwards. And it's how they choose the winner right. It's your finale indicators. it's the thing. So i think the top is really fun. M it makes me worried about their music. Budget going forward for the rest of the season right. They got a lot of good songs and like they didn't all have to sing to like ru songs for this. They got to sing songs by other people who are more talented. Yeah who are who do a different thing than reduce the next episode regulations which is where they to have to do one of the one of the groups. The winners from this are going to have to record their verses to a one of roussin. Congratulations congratulations number. One that one. You occurred on the show before i don't know if you remember it So like the at least the next episode of the next two are going to be centered on route songs though theoretically lip sync as well. That's not right exactly so who knows Either way it was. It was fun and entertaining. I really liked it. And i liked the mounting confusion of the eliminated queens of wait. What's happening here where we going. What is happening when denali lake listeners. Doing the squinty eye thing. We're not out yet. So the there's ice a stunt. Something's happening but i also appreciated one of the queen's going. No we're done. They're just sending us one bus. You that's it. The lady sadly yes go. Yeah so all of that of like watching them just increased meet one another then get very confused. What also you feel for a couple of these folks including who you. What was the name of commission just to show. Who'd been trying to get on for i. I would assume a number of years but also has gone through really severe cancer. Yeah well and lake you know. Interestingly enough the win she couldn't do season twelve hundred. Pull out the queen. Who was called last minute to take her place. Jada s and tall ended up winning. Okay wonders who took her place. So i'll let her know So yeah no so like that also had like just being added to all this confusion and also just all this frustration as well Which we get to the other twist of this bullshit as is rightly called out in the episode. Because this is not since. I am not okay with this. I shall i. Shall i quell your concerns. No yeah go ahead. I'm looking once they what exactly it is but To my knowledge. I haven't watched it yet but i've heard through I've heard through the grapevine meaning like social media And i don't have this confirmed. But as soon as i read it it made sense. The rumor is that they vote someone out and then they get sent to the winners team and then compete with the like with the winners. So it's going to be like a season twelve from your thing where like one half the cast has their own premier in the second half of the cast has there from your under going to put them together and so in that is gonna be lifting for your for your legacy for both of them and no one's getting eliminated. The fourth episode is what. I'm hearing so if they do something like that was my thing. Is bush bullshit in it. Like like i know. You really care about this rupaul charles. But you would have gotten an a at the club if you had not done that bullshit at the end instead you got an eighty minus like if they undo this ending. Somehow they don't actually make the queen. Send someone home. i really liked this premier. But if they'd actually are doing that. That sim bullshit and they shouldn't do it. Yeah i'm not okay with it because that's not what the that's not what this vein of the show is. That's not what this show is. And also they just don't know anyone and also they didn't get to see any of these people compete. I enter the only lip. Synch was elliott with duties and and Kamara hall so like that. Nobody else even saw anybody else before. So it's it's just i i was not properly But if you're if what you read is true than i'm much relieved but it just kind of left us lease our taste in my mouth. The premier which i was very frustrated by. Because i don't like reality. Show leaving a sour taste in my mouth in the premier. And like i saw plenty of people who are upset about it. Because they're like i did. I don't wanna watch these queens. Who are so excited about. This have spent tens of thousands of dollars on the putting the collections in just watch them get stomped on emotionally like for me. It wasn't that bad because by the time the second queen gets to the backstage like wait a second and then the third queen then pretty. It's like okay. They're not going to eliminate half the cast. They need to have a show. So something else is going for me. It wasn't as bad. They still had that moment on the which is devastating the main stage but then they like they brought it back around Quickly enough for me. That he doesn't buy it again. Other people being bothered by. I i never got tired of the sirens and like that way. What what what's wait. What's happening did you get tired of losing pork chop. Because i did. I did not. I thought that there is enough variety in the delivery but people really got tired of the sizzle or squeal those happening. Okay yeah my other question for you then about all of this is do you think that the winners were winners was rude. Just picking someone at random. I think some of it was winners. Were winners actually I'm okay with pretty much. All of them I he no like i. I could see why you would pick the other one in some of them for the tina verner with lady. Marmalade was the obvious lake. This person one and then all the other ones there was more of like a like. I could see an argument. This way casino argument that way. The one that felt the most blatant to me was rosa. Were there like first of all. Libya did great and she had a reveal like an. I did not clock that reveal. That was very well executed And she did it and she executed well like for how she she took off the again but but also it was like very much like okay. Roseanne like yeah. You're not better than so we're gonna. We're gonna make sure that you tina One will next one. Let's be clear that is to happen. Like we feel confident guessing that So therefore we're make sure you guys are an opposite room so we can get our as here here in disturbing the tension detention. They want to build the suspense. So there's some crafts to that. Obviously but i thought that in general i was comfortable with the people who won each one. What did you think i mean. Sometimes like i don't really. I was very much really agree with that. I can't think of specific. Instances take notes when i watched drag race. Because i don't take notes and i should but i do agree with you that there is enough slippage a gray area Because i do think that most of what we saw here was either maybe a lack of preparedness or just a nerves. You know nerves of like oh wait. I was not expecting to have to do this kind of deal that allowed for a more even playing field but it also kind of gave me a sense of some of these people are just aren't lip sinkers and i'm actually okay with that means or some of these. People are wearing ice skates. Yeah which were just really impressive. Considering young ice skates korea. I could do a cartwheel. Just might feet real at ice skates like ridiculous. That was that was like the gag ary that was like iconic gonna be talked about for all drivers her serie as far as i'm concerned but i can also see that one. How like yet which you have to deal with the outfit Like i could see. I could see it doesn't matter. She lives live sank in a in ice skate. She wins right like that. I can also see the other way. So so i'm curious to see how they deal with it but yeah they're not eliminating the whole cast but it was still really frustrating to watch But yeah. I'm hoping what you read his car. Yes i very much wanted to be your otherwise. Just well also. I think there would have been more like grumbling from the cast in the like like all the press stuff you know like if someone got eliminated after that and that was it time of the show like i think it wouldn't have been quite Chadian friendly That's a good point. We'll say Well let's take a break. Listen music and come back with our week. And john nra and drama with me because you look so fine. Really wanna magpie really. Wanna come on kicks now. You don't need the modern you live by Are you gonna be my girl. Come with me because you saw make this week in genre and drama. I drama Personal going to catch up with. Elizabeth is missing the tv movie on pbs than hell will have just a few thoughts on the watch. Us premiere a near vines experience euch than knowles catches up with the promise neverland season two episode one and cells that were code black episode one smoking bacteria in the beginning of the end and they will both share our thoughts. Doctor who's new year's day special revelation of the daleks. So i up or visit as missing glenda jackson she'll be check it out yes This is the season premiere of masterpiece for twenty twenty This movie originally aired in on bbc one In december two thousand nineteen so took a little while to get over here completely and totally worth the wait In no small part for glenda jackson's performance which is just out of this world. Really really great really powerful And really not flashy but really deeply compelling which i think is the best way to describe the shows while because i think it's really well directive as well by Hang on let me get the as long walsh. it is not flashy instead. It does a lot of really smith Slippery things as maude. Who is glenda jackson's character. Attempts to figure out what happened to her best friend Who named elizabeth. Who doesn't shell for meeting at the salvation army And modest like in her like mid to late. Eighties has alzheimer's and so the entirety of the about eighty seven minutes is mod trying to figure out what happened to elizabeth where it is while she is also flashing back to her memories of her self in late forties when her sister also went And i don't want to give too much more away. Most of this goes exactly as you would expect it to go honestly and i think that's fine. This is not a knock. It is so well executed. I don't care. But i think that there is a really beautiful loveliness to egland jackson's performance. Which i think gets to both the overwhelming confused confusion but also the overwhelming frustration anger that can come with dementia as a symptom And that is a frustration but also dealing also with a reduced sense of independence and it reduced sense of self and how that can get really frustrating for everyone involved and i think that the movie does not skimp on that aspect at all so that is really great The other thing. I really like about. It is the ways in which mods memories slip into the frame here so very often the actors playing. The flashback folks will sometimes just kind of appear in the present day talking to one before transitioning fully until flashback which i find also really effective in terms of putting us into head space because i think that the movie also does a really nice job of being very honest with what we're seeing because mod doesn't remember everything and we don't get to see everything we only get to see what moderate members so when she goes to by yet more cans the peaches and the store clerk tells. You just bought three cans. Yesterday we did not see by three chance yesterday but we have no reason to believe this person because more also has cabinets full of canned peaches that she keeps buying So i think this is really really great. I'd encourage you to check this out. You particular kate but also listeners. In general if you have access tools with is missing. Which i should note is based on the two thousand fourteen novel of the same thing by a haley. Healy hugh healy. This is just really great. I think And it's worth watching just for. I think Linda jackson's performance whom i have to admit. I don't think i've seen any. She's volley a theater actor. Yeah she's she's mostly done theater. She's she did some film and she did some television and then she Took a twenty three year. Break to work in the labor party and service and mp For like from the nineties into the early into like mid ought or so into the tens rather So but this is really really great and again powerhouse performance really great direction and really really good supporting cast as well which is really important. Something like this. Even if they're kind stock characters there well executed. Well act stock characters. Which again really important for this kind of narrative so it very much fits snugly into masterpieces whole prestige thing. If it's really snugly until like the mystery thing about being a masterpiece mystery So i'm very. I can't i can't recommend this more more than i am right now. and there's also trailer for mrs. What's ever on the duke. Which is not what i was it was. Oh miss schiavo dick. Scarlet duke is not what i was thinking. It was still interested in watching it Because it does look kinda fun while we'll see. I have a recording except for that one. So yeah it's good to know. I'll bring this one up the next time. We're like looking for a thing to watch. I will say that it is not the lightest of washington. Okay keep very much made a mistake watching it this week. Shay yeah what if you're in the right head space for this kind of narrative Perfect perfect perfect really great. Okay well that may be a good transition to our next show which is the watch on. Bbc america this is going to be an eight episode season. That is looking that it's a set. It's like a inspired by discworld. Not an adaptation of anything. The premier is a near vines experienced. The main character is kept binds Uc so this is fine I like the cast somewhat the most interesting member of the cast is richard dormer as switch. I mean people know from the habit stuff but also from he was on. Game of thrones right. He was the the the guy in charge of the man without banners and Who with with the flaming sword right. That's him So he is super entertaining in do very heightened kind of thing But this it's like we're going for like a punk kind. A rock and roll grimy dirty cut like being cops but in a city where like there is no crime because the crimes are all legal as long as they are performed by members of that guild Like the assassins. Assassins can just kill people as long as they leave a receipt and stay within their quotas so because the crime was the premises of the crime was out of control and so the guilt will out together with the watch at some point twenty years ago and Established that as long as the number of assassinations is under this amount. The assessments guild will not be prosecuted for fascinating people as long as on. Theft is underestimate like that kind of thing so nothing counts as a crime. So so it's a terribly violent messed up city but it's actually somehow less violent in theory than it was before. Which is everybody's like the captain's like drunk all the time. Everybody's dirty and grimy except for the new guy who's the upright dudley do right who's moved in from the from the mountain or whatever it was come to town to start his new career in the watch and then they get wrapped into a health thing. It there's there's some stuff going on the wane. The sword voice by barry has not shown up yet the first two episodes. Yeah the the concept of a sword has been introduced. So i can see where we're going to get to there and with what they've establishing like. That's that could be pretty fun. But i don't know that it's worth it to watch to get to their For some people scratching each. If you're not gonna go like but can't they just take a bath. Then maybe that's why if it's if like you're like but everybody's look like they smell terrible Bob you don't watch us. The i wanted more from a lot of it Wendell pierce is the voice of death. Which is pretty fun. But like it's a whole framing narrative don't need is just a waste So maybe improve. Alex again enter. Chancellor is lord nari Care to this gender swapped from the books But it's also served. So maybe maybe the characters he. I don't know There are some other interesting world billing stuff. It's not interesting enough for me. For how like just kind of it feels like one of those shows. It's trying to be cool in rock and roll and interesting and just isn't enough or what what that you know. There's not enough there there for me but dormer is very likable on like as like the grizzly and like very very drunk and passes prime captain of the watch. Who's trying to like regain something and you know nolde foe from the past. Show up and guilt stuff So if that all sounds of interest to you like checkout trailer the trailers are going to give you a pretty good idea of the show It could be suffering from like pilot. Itis worst gotta kinda get once. It actually gets going. It'll be more fun but I don't know we'll see we'll see there's dragon now so you firmly talked me out of watching this. This is not. This is not a null show. I don't think yeah but yeah everything you've said has just made me think about guardians of the galaxy and i'm just like no we'll but it's like nowhere near as guardians so like. Yeah but here's the thing. I don't think gardens with galaxy is fun though that's the dirtier like sweatier guardians without the whimsey. Yeah you know So there's some there's some interesting concepts in there some fun ideas but those strike me as the things that may be lifted from discworld Or it could be originally to but like it's not all get executed in a way. That would be as like enough to keep me watching. So i i have set a series thing so maybe i'll end up watching it like half watching it while i'm doing stuff But we'll see but Yeah i i don't i've not Moved to go. Make sure i delete my series recording which i've already set up But also will nappy hurrying to watch more of it. Gotcha us What about from land. Which i did not realize was available is available. Yeah yeah i'm so listeners. actually Dropped in and picked up this license so promise never land season two as well as season. One dob and You watch in front of nation but you can also watch it on hulu who's also getting same day dub sorry. Same day subs as while i think But there definitely ending up in front of nation so but if you have hulu you should be able to watch these app on the same day that they draw And i think the confusion occurred that it was like the eighth four seven hundred eighth for japan which meant the sixth or seventh for us time zones so it should be. I think it drops like tuesdays or wednesdays So yeah anyway. I a premiere episode. I'm not gonna give too much away. it's fine There's not a lot of space for them to do stuff because they need to reestablish this new world that they're in basically of this forest there's a lot of stuff about minera william minero. Who's the person who wrote the books and had the little stamp in the books Who kind of faded away. From the season one narrative a little bit very at the forefront for this i on episode. Go ahead. That's intriguing. yeah So much so that there is a couple of things in it that kind of went way. We didn't learn about any of this season one. Did i miss something. No i did not okay. This is just all new information that they're presenting is not new information but new information to the audience. It's a little inelegant But we do get to see more of the demons that are hunting the children which is great They're all appropriately creepy. And i don't care for them But then there are also two new characters on the scene who promised to also shake up our understanding of this world just a little bit I'm intrigued by their presence. But it also very much feels like a very standard shonen manga approach of oops. I don't know what to do next new characters which is a really common thing in shonen manga of instead of doing a new plot development. We just introduced new characters as our plot development. And that's kind of this feels like but it also can very easily transition to a shift of rebuilding so while it's not nearly as exciting rose enticing as the season premiere or as fun and high st as the season one finale. It is very much sort of a transition episode of this new world. Now here's a couple of new players. Let's see what happens okay. Well i'm excited her for what the season could be and yes ridiculous. Sell your show. It's it's just a little bit of a flat premier ons. It's gonna get going. Yeah it's got to get going again. Basically it's going to be very different experience for me watching it like a week. i think. Yeah yeah subtitle patient. What about ourselves that workshop jumping with this season okay so this is technically a new. Show this Code black Cells of work also came back for it. Second season Which airs on the same day. As cells work work soza work code black Both of these are also inflammation. I'm not sure who But they are definitely inflammation so sales at work. Og mothership cells at work as a bright kind of funny really drained sometimes Show about red blood cells and various other bob internal bodily entities that. Keep your body running. And it's very science focused but it's also very silly with a little bit of over the top action But it's very cute. It's very sweet. It's very bright and it's delightful I really like the first season of cells at work on my partner. One of the things that came out of cells at work is they All the various blood cells t. cells white cells always say. Thank you for your hard work to everyone and my partner. I say that other all the time. Now of were code black is the grim jerks edgy version of cells. Work this in this body that all the cells are in and all the various sort of internal entities again is on its last legs. So it is a apparently a hard-drinking heart smoking sleep-deprived person that is not in shape so they there are not enough red blood cells to carry oxygen to various parts of the body so there are more germs Even the white cells are stretched thin The bad cholesterol guys are all around plugging up the arteries Just dumping jumping stuff to prevent the white. The red blood cells from carry oxygen places and everything There's a lot of like actual work satire in this even in the first episode. Because it's a brand new wipe Red blood cell. So he's watched this great orientation video that's in a four by three aspect ratio and kinda greenie film stock and he gets out into the world and it is a hellscape. It is not the sunny sunny thing that was shown in the orientation video. Because it's like twenty years out of date. So this is a very dark edgy. Sort of yeah. You're new to the workforce in the workforce is terrible and it's all bad in everyone lied to you to get you to take this job and it's like oh this. Is this dark ended. It's very grim. It's very dark It's store really funny in. Its over the top nece but there's also the air of melancholy because Showing down. he just took up smoking again. After ten years. All the cells in the lungs were just like we just almost kind of got this clean and he started. They started smoking again on. So i'm going to keep watching this delightful deliver next in the next episode which apparently is depicted as some sort of terrific jazz club Very excited see okay. But i feel like from what you're saying. I kind of feel like. I should watch the the first season of the original so that i can have an appreciate. Yeah yes for a counterpoint So and the first season of sales of work is on hulu For sure so you can definitely watch it there. And i do encourage you to watch it. I find cells at work to be really delightful. They have a terrific theme song and the second season also has a turfing theme song for cells at work but there was no theme song for cells at work code black. Because that's how edgy. And i'm sure they have a theme song just didn't put it in the premier. Yeah that's that's that's really interesting. I'm excited for that. Yeah that this may be finally gets to watch sales at work so that i can watch code black. They're closing song is what they're opening would be if they were original cells at work which i find really delightful okay. Yeah they're closing. Song is very bright and peppy number in in like very brighton fund and everything on it just turns out to be a dream that the red blood cell was having. It's just so so lovely So i'm i'm enjoying could black After one episode so far and watched half season two of cells at work which deals with a bump each listeners. Each episode deals with some sort of ailment of some kind. Okay let's Yeah that's fun. That's fun Well our last show as the doctor who new year special revolution. Alex and we should also touch on the rumors jodie whittaker. We'll be leaving the show after the next season. Because i feel like this episode. I was solid. It was fine i i. It highlights though the problems with the recent era and they're not would occur. Because how do you do the last episode for graham like ryan game stuff they give graham nothing and this is his last episode and they do their own torchwood spin off. Which i think is the implication which i would watch cole has got into show in effect so that's not gonna happen But of course the actors are really good selection. Sell the shit out of it. And like the moment that graham finds out ryan decides with him is beautiful and so very well played by all involved. But i just. I just don't just don't understand how you know. This is a farewell episode for two characters and you give one of them like maybe two scenes maybe very frustrating. I thought yes. Got a bunch of really interesting stuff. I liked what they did with Jack in yeahs in the use of jackson at this i thought was really good. I wanted more actually from the jack in the doctor stuff. that was. there wasn't enough there but the rest of it was was pretty fun. I liked all the shoutouts. The might tang and so the thanks. But it's just like it just speaks to the weakness of the writing that we've had and like it's just it's base level stuff writing stuff like just as structural level. You know you're writing at two characters. You need to do right by those two characters and you need to be really all three of those companions you have to do right by so that their decisions to leave or to stay makes sense So yeah i also really didn't appreciate the doctor being smarter with in every like well. I'm really sorry that i'm tim late. Also it's been twenty one years for me. I was in. I was in isolation most for most of twenty one years or having. Jack say something to them you know but but jack wouldn't you know so. That's the chapel. But yet lake. I had some problems with this one. I really can boring. I was just out of my brain. I'm which is the worst possible thing i think for anything to do is just be really really boring In part because dollars boring More dollars than you are. So i think that that probably was the deciding factor in our takes on this. It may have been a deciding factor. But i was also i was bored but then i was also just frustrated by the fact of all. We're gonna talk about policing insecurity psych. We're not gonna do that. We're not gonna do that. Just kidding everyone. we're not gonna topical or anything. This is not the show. That did the rosa park episode a little while ago. Just ignore that yet. no this was. It was really boring. And i was really frustrated by the bayton switch about talking about security and policing and then just going dallas and he just went. That's not what this is. But i also had a feeling. We're gonna do this anyway. When you're mad scientist turned out to be a black guy. Who's totally cool with this. In a little bit of what. I'm assuming was blind. Casting of we found the best actor and we really liked him. We didn't think about the implications of it So to the who've ian to the who stuff To the actual like everything you said is really spawn so i don't want to belabor it I agree with you that everything involving graham and ryan was significantly shortchanged and should not have been considering. This was their sign off Especially graham who has been far away. Sort of like the my favorite companion of these three though i do live as he adds but graham as a character and as performer both provided so much difference in my perception of who and companions in this kind of thing that i always wanted his input his presences perspective and using. That is really kind of frustrating. For me and not having him be more front and center with ryan in this narrative was a major fumble from this show and kind of just demonstrates the don't care about these companions which i don't think is true but it certainly felt true in this Do you agree with you. That everything with jack was really solid Even if they could also pushed more on it Given that houses very quickly. Love with dr like very clearly right. They don't know that they will actually engage with that but they need to doubt yet they they need to because they need to So i think that there is a lot of stuff especially when you bring up. Rose like if you're going to bring up rose and kind of put that warning light up You need to like address it so we'll see Just left me just kind of generally coal even if i enjoyed Baron naturally. Even if i enjoy nas naturally so fun and i felt like he amped up. The trump innis this time. And i only areas. I really felt like he did it when he was like really angry. Which i think was the rat choice. Yeah i wasn't like wasn't pervasive. But just like there are certain traits of it. Yes that that he went to more. Might have been in the writing the certainly in the performance. I feel ya know. He got very trumpy whenever he was like getting backed into a corner or whenever he whenever he got back into quarter or whenever he thought he had the best idea. Which are the two things that are correct when you're doing trump impression While not actually doing one I think is really kind of the key thing here. And we're gonna talk about trump impressions as well Spoiler alert next week Weirdly i can't wait to discuss that So yeah so. This was just kind of really flat. I was very frustrated by it And i think that the other thing the skits to both jodie whittaker and also. You're thinking about the doctor of i still don't know who the doctor is. And the fact that she doesn't talk about it being twenty something years in a really scary supermax prison with all her greatest foes they're hanging about And then not doing anything without and also served the doctor acknowledging that there is a lack of the. I don't know what i'm going to be an just like were about hit your three. Which historically now is when you cut and run doctors who three seasons in your out So that is not a good thing and like you said. It is not jodi whatever's fault because she's great at what little material she is given it and impress stuff. She's amazing that's the doctor. That is not being used on this show. So i'm she's gonna leave. I wouldn't blame her. Yeah is kind of how feeling about it. I would not blame her. She decided to leave. Less the thing like the the current scuttled says that she's gonna leave but should know is gonna stay like the overwhelmingly. The response i keep saying is keep whitaker. And that's breeze somebody else. 'cause like there are certain. The chimney doesn't that chippenham prioritizes. I really appreciate. And i think a welcome overdue change but the weaknesses are getting harder in harder to overlook win. We're like assessing like this. His seasons as a whole Like i have so many problems with them off ehre but don't acidly not interested in mri But bill pods a frigging love. Bill potts bill potts is awesome. And that's the companion. She's a companion in a season. That had a bunch of stuff. I didn't care about But these were actively really incredibly frustrating for me because of the problems that i have with With moffitt but she was on half as long as as ryan graham. They got so much more development. So it's just like it's frustrating. We'll see what happens with it I i i would love it to be the other way other way around. Will jessica any final thoughts on doctor. Who and if not Ricky tv elizabeth is missing winds. Might we can tv hands down no contest. Go watch it. i'm gonna give you the pork chop okay Because it's just super fun. Sell like i have my issues with it and there's other chef. I enjoyed this week but like when when it was singing. That was absolutely delightful. So i will give it to that now. We'll take a break. Listen to a trailer and come back with a season spotlight on season. Two of hilda from netflix will be right back after this lovely hills forests and the freedom. I'm this is four secret wild on us. He never told me about my man. I didn't tell you every inch within the happens jimmy. Apparently you don't what was unexpected. Drought it anyway. What if you want to trump's tell me what's going on and how do i know you'll save anything. What elda such is. The life of adventure hailed exactly side. Ladies i've got this not so cool. That was the trailer for season. Two of netflix's hilda wish because the animated series based on the graphic novels books. Yeah robert novels graphic novels So i have many thoughts on hill this season to obviously will. Let's do like a spoiler free chonkin and then we got you know the ending. We have stuck with their listeners. Ends on a cliffhanger this season. i assume it's coming back. It better be. There is a seventy minute movie in production. Which i think will probably be the wrap-up give everything. Okay okay. that's interesting. The there are too many things that we need to talk about. One is that the season is again delightful. I really like all the stuff. I live from selected this season and second of all one of these episodes is emotional terrorism. Like it it's like drastic bark levels of emotional. Terrorism is worse than dressing bark for the emotional. Terrorism was at the witch. It was the witch that no you'll labs the you'll there's so called the deer fox or deer foxes. Yeah it's the deer foxes here fox yet and i. That's what you were talking about. How it's talking about like i was like not prepared. It was very well done. It's an excellent episode. And i think the way that they handle it like everything that goes down. The episode is watching Liz episode but it's like it's also very well made and i appreciate their doing a good job with it but also why but i particularly appreciated The way that they are watched it upset. You realize that they've been arguing. The season a certain way and then after the season after that episode there's an element of of the season and of the way they've been writing character said distinctly changes. And it's a deliberate change for the rest of the season. I really appreciate that. I'll get into specifics. A little more when we get towards action but first of all it sounds like it was not just me terrorized by that episode. And what did you. What did you think of. You know he'll this is too. Yeah no you're fox is a gresley difficult episode As the incident is also aggressively difficult episode mice man in a very different way for me but yeah yeah was tied by s- man But no i actually really liked the george episode. anyway yeah. I think that there is like i said when i talked about it a little bit in our end of the year suffer like building up to right before end of the year stuff. They definitely have like a thing. They wanna do this season. A couple of different things Some of it. I think is more successful than others. Mainly i think all the hill stuff israel successful whereas i think some of the more politically minded stuff his less successful in part because of how broad is very much huge huge justice for gerda huge all the justice for gerda. But all that being said. I still think that the show is really delightful and really lovely and i think that it starts the fact that they start getting at the start growing up stuff Is really great and starts to really kinda come to a really beautiful head in this season even down to i really wanna shout out on the end credits song the life of hilda which you hear an episode seven which is a a great song and be. Oh my god. Just is hilda of everything that is wrong about hilda. The character that held a the character refuses to acknowledge So i really like that. And the fact that that gets woven into the rest of the show And is a major plot points for much of the rest of the show. I works really really well and the other thing that i am very kind of excited about. Is that That i really enjoyed this season. Was that The the librarian is much more prominent this season because she is delightful and the fact that we get a peek into that world is also really fun. Like i love that little corner of this world. And i really liked everything that we got with it. So those are kind of like big overview thoughts also shutout circus doing a guest guest star spot. As one of the lads because those guy those those folks are scaring carefully. You like big big The highwayman energy win that from an exactly correct. That is perfect comparison. Yes i haven't thought about that. That is that is correct. And it's the art of way. The masks are around. There is of her circuses. Particularly terrific in that like. There's a lot of excellent voice work but he is particularly strong in that Yeah the the stuff we get with the librarian terrific. It's really fun She shows up just a couple of times but it feels like it feels like she's in a lot more and then But really it's it's just a few episodes. Just they stand out there memorable and 'cause they're super fun and actually. I thought this is a really pretty well. Paced season man shows up several times which i was. I was delighted by. I thought he might be at once but then he you know he pops up again and again protus so good. Yeah now it's good it's good But the like some of the so. It's not always elegant. What they're going with with the bills and with some of this other stuff But i think it is worthwhile conversations. And like if i'm sitting here thinking okay. So the bells are like guns right. The bills runs or they're not guns. Yeah like it's a little fuzzy. But i appreciate i. I don't feel. I can really give too much of a answer. Thought like a coherent finalized. Thought about it Until i've seen the movie because everything it doesn't feel like the stuff with the bills is done until the stuff at the trolls is done our pads like it. i mean. obviously. The trolls have been a big part of this world of hilda since the very beginning so it makes sense that like our new character. Eric all bug. Who is just the worst. Yeah he's terrible and his obsession with the bells like that. It's a thread but it's not like something that they tie up neatly by the end of the season. It's not something that has like a simple answer Or you know that it hints at continuing threads of human and non human difficulties like something as simple as a bell. I like that they that there's a raw like they may have made bells this like ominous thing while also making beautiful like visually and Like showing like there's plenty reasons that is great. It's useful to have a bell around but like they've done a really jump of imbuing them with dread over the course of the season and the ads is fun to watch Obviously liked the witch What did you think of like the windmill as you think of. Just the overall increase of the presence of magic. Did you like our return of our of the dragon. The the the worm right in his beautiful bonsai the so yeah i was. I was a little surprised to see victoria gal back. I was dismayed that she was up to her. Old shenanigans had actually gone full matt scientists with her really terribly creepy. Not a what are the nisa of the actress. Not okay that nasa yet announcer and not not answer at this get. All of it was bad and i did not care for that. I do like the more forward position of magic here which has always been here in the show but the fact that there are now like i Blues and hierarchies and things to kind of keep in mind about it. I've ever really important. And i think one of the things that kinda comes through with that is. I love the idea of helga as familiar. Which also really kind of helps to really solidify them as like a dragon's group. Yeah oh definitely including everything that happens. With poor poor poor david born into condemn. Yep and this is like. You're you're the cleric or as melissa's cleric as you get on your just a squishy cleric which is not how clerics really work but you're you're squishy but i just i. It's just very sweet. But i do like that. Magic is more forward here And that there are rules and waste torn it and that hilda is bad at it because hilda thinks every problem is a nail and she has the ultimate hammer herself. Yeah when we get to the end of the episode. The camera pans the for one of these. These people's clearly has capabilities the witch and the camera pans to hilda. Like what are you talking about. Obviously not you definitely like david before you. Yes david at least attracts bugs on his own. Yeah yeah clearly. Yeah so. I thought also the threads with hilden her mom Are well handled. I was expecting to be a much larger line than it. Actually is but i think they they balanced it well by having this still be the person who raised hilda to be her. You know who. She is While still like acknowledging the growing recklessness of the character and the growing need four boundaries. I thought the time is up so was a good way to do that. like like and again. It was blatant enough like if it was like obvious enough in a way that like this. That's how obviously would have to be for hillary to catch it to catch on. You know like if the episode in like the things that she was experiencing saying to herself as she time travels were more subtle held. Wouldn't have gotten a hint. So i thought that all worked really nicely. I very much enjoyed till early. i liked Yeah lots of the season. Do you have any other thoughts of redemption with spoilers inane. Do kinda talk about the the bell keeper l. And his very obviously this is not held as father. Stop thinking that shows doing Even though he has like little strips of green tea in his hair on the sides and so graying at the temples he's like greening at the temples. Love it and like. This is hilda's dad but we're pretending it's not hill. His dad right this. This is what we're doing show. I didn't make that connection. I wouldn't have thought home. You didn't now. I immediately went that that is helping that even though it is clearly not going to be your dad but like future love interest rate. Yeah no. I was actually waiting for that to happen. I was waiting for a belt keeper and joanna to meet up and that didn't happen either Which time okay the movie. Maybe yeah But yeah. I think that generally this was a strong season. I still prefer season. One a little bit more Just because it's a little gentler almost do appreciate show wants to mature at the same time And for me mostly matures in the right directions. The political stuff aside which again i agree with you that the bells are too fussy of a simple. That's what happens when you have fuzzy symbols so if you want to radicalize your kids everyone We bear rather movies is still available somewhere for you to watch and that will radicalize your children immediately. Why are they hurting the bears. Well honey you know. We'll get there but that's clearly something like that is what's coming our movie. So let's now say watch hilda and if if you haven't seen it yet and if you want to be spoiled stop listening so we gotta talk about the finale because bonkers yet is a stressful yet. A number levels deeply stressful The where it feels to me like we're headed is And this is speculating. Not actually analyzing critiquing. But we're going to do that because it's fun and i wanna. Is that the troll. Mom or dad the The troll adult here parent has swapped their bodies so that their child doesn't have to experience turning to stone and they are in they have observed that joanna's good mom and apparent. They've decided that they can trust their kid with joanna and they are willing to sacrifice their connection there with their child so that they're safe from that Which is dark and difficult but feels absolutely keeping with the stuff that the season is doing and the depth that it wants to go into with some of these characters so like like that follows right on the fox. And so like yeah. We'll see we'll see but like wolf man that that episode hits yeah. I really like that. Reading of it. And i agree with you because i don't think it's milovan malevolent gesture. The troll parent doesn't seem like manipulative right like all of it was thought out. It feels like more like they saved. They saved them first and got saw them and then decided at some point that night that they were going to do that. The swap And yet no. I agree with you like i don't think it's a malicious act And i do think it is an apt motivated out of love for their child Which the episode goes to really extreme lengths to make sure that were in that same boat of kind of reconceptualise. The trolls and specifically This troll and their yeah their child. Most of the trolls aside from that two or three headed asshole of deck yes roll. Who just hoards everything that guy. That guy sucks but all the other trolls seemed to dislike him as well So they got a reason to fight with allen. Yeah yeah exactly. Because that's the other thing that particularly the forest and really kind of gets crosses how. The trolls aren't bad. It's just they're frustrated more than anything. But this tro parent particular is going out of their way to do the best thing that they can for their child and like you said recognizes joanna as a very safe person to do that with should you ask permission before trading bodies. Yes absolutely Consented is important. If they wouldn't have gotten consent though they know they wouldn't see. Here's the thing i think killed. It would have volunteered for that for at least like. Yeah but joanna would not have been. Yeah yeah joanna would not have. And i think that's sort of like the other thing to get out is that this increases an empathy that held the already had an was developing the trolls Yeah but we'll hopefully do something for everyone else's while regarding the trolls well and even if he'll the this the plan is to To swap these for a certain amount of time so she can experience what it is to be. Trawl and then to swap the the heads back then hill can be ace. Because it's a way of communicating work. Right so i'm really excited to see what happens from this and this is the stone. Forest finale is actually adapted from one of the actual hilda stories I think mostly do a lot of originals of this season Because i think they did a couple of like a adaptations last season in a bunch of original and that really helped through for the season the the just the direction of it is really interesting. the pacing of the season. I think works well it. It works great. Standalone it you convention. If you want to but i also i kind of like spacing out. I did like three and a sitting Three or four hundred sitting and that worked really well for me And it's just. It's such a charming show is such a fun show and there's enough creativity that it's It's really entertaining to watch. Without like it's saccharin or you're getting whimsey overload. You know So it's just really fun show. I also really liked the return of the elles as several times. The replacement is delightful like pretty much every episode here. It is something that i really enjoyed about it. Like i said. Look a scan through the season. It's hard for me to take of episode. That i'm less invested in her less interested in. I remember the thing that was going to say is that i would not be surprised. If it's revealed that all burg's ancestor like curse the trolls or something in that. The attorney stone is completely arbitrary and doesn't need to happen that that would track. Yeah we'll say yeah. I really do enjoy the always even though i think al for is a little back bernard this season The replacement just makes up for it so much Really delightful to find like Dear sweet l. That is just in love with him all hanger ling horses so hard. It's so much fun girling So i really liked that. We talked about the librarian others three. Which is that are in charge. The which from the absolute worst. And i never want him to change delightful because if they change. Then there'd be no fun like you need someone fertility to just yell at because otherwise what is totally gonna do. Just keep crocheting but i really speaking of till the like thing i really do like is that we get till the episode three. We get her in one as well Just like a quick cameo but we get an episode three really hard and then we get the fifty night of just like. Here's this big gut punch for this character. You just met off show. This is great. I love it well in the fact that they end not on a note of. Let's go out for coffee sometime. But end of that was the past in its. You shouldn't live in the past. We both lived full license. And you know like that was such a such a refreshing way to end that. Because i feel like usually these types of stories end with like a chance meeting at the end. Neither one remembers it but now there's something there maybe they'll start something you know like in. This is just better known significantly better. It's significantly more in keeping with the show and that again that maturity that's again coming from season But i also appreciate that with maturity comes episodes like the george incident just really ridiculous really really silly and while still kind of in keeping with the fact that held the rece- can't learn from her mistakes and this is what happens but that episode is just so funny weird and i love it so much. And the fact that the tide turned jordan's into this massive massive conglomerate and then it just goes back to being a local snack food company. It's a it gave me big. What's that episode title for Energy like with the three bears like the one ends up in business and the other one's a model. Oh yeah he gave me very much. That energy It was super fun. So yeah and then. I love the The snacks are a like a recurring thread throughout delightful. I also appreciate speaking of a threat that we where we started we end with gerda are very different And that by the end. You're like oh good. Maybe we're just gonna leave him a fly and she charge. It's the show is darker Quite at that level but like what. She's company now. She's not that he's awful and terrible. But i also really appreciated Speaking of the thing is how much of eric was still really deeply conveyed in the fly. Like totally it was just really beautifully handled of. oh yeah. Disguise doesn't realize he's a fly right now. This is fantastic. I love it very good Any final thoughts I mean yeah no the all the stuff of the trolls and eric is really muddied in part because they just can't settle on like a really solid perspective but also the show's characters basically. Just come down on its head but they can't really like vocalise or dramatized. Why it's bad but everything that we will. Joanna and hilda is so forthright and so emotionally honest that i don't care The way that their relationship more and changes and get stretched across the season. I think is really really great. And the fact that the show continues to allow hilda to be hilda while still acknowledging the fact that god no. She's kind of not the best. Sometimes which you get hints in season one but really comes to the forefront season to I think is really really smart. So i'm really curious to see how what again i'm presuming will be concluding movie. Because if you're doing a movie. I feel like we're not gonna get a third season but maybe knock on wood. What are you any final thoughts here. Well just be a little clearer with my dear fox thoughts which are again emotional terrorism And then when at the end when she's like i promise it'll be different than than it actually is and they make a very concerted effort to like every time she leaves. It's let's go twig and it figures with them. All their adventures tweets a lot more attention at the house because like it when they started doing that really deliberately. It made it clear how much that was a choice. The earlier of the season to exclude twiggy to keep showing twig like I just don't get a pet that needs to be outside. If you aren't willing to be outside and i have seen too many people who have like who have dogs that need to run and that need a five mile walk every single day. Who that they don't know why they got him but the people who have them work fifteen hour days or like nobody they don't have somewhat or they're gone for months at a time and so the dog's kennel most of the like don't do that. Why would you do that in so so it's just that awareness and the the fact that this is something that you know what is your answer to do. She's single parent trying to keep them fed like she doesn't have the time so the Hilda's definitely thoughtless enough to not notice how how significant this was and joanna should be on top of it but hasn't been and so two to have that be of real deliberate. Change her the last four episodes of the season was something that i very much appreciated And that makes the the some of the pain of the deer fox more worth it. 'cause like hilda needed to learn this less said. Yeah so yeah as just like. Oh it's beautiful. It's it's like lovely but wall packs a punch anyways. That's my final thought. I really like till this season two good. I'm glad john. I don't have anything else. I'm just. I'm i'm glad that you liked. I think i like this season more than you did. Which i think so too now means you get to yell at me about it we swapped. I'm giving you an early or late. Christmas gift theory. I'll take it. I'll take a few shots here at the end of the episode. You can find a post for this episode over the telephone or you can leave comments in. Let us know what you thought of the week. You like our page. On facebook considerable conversation you can email us. Deliver jimoh dot com. You can find our in for a chapter cheese. 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The 'GOAT Rumbles with a DJ During Halftime' Episode

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The 'GOAT Rumbles with a DJ During Halftime' Episode

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Caldeans we hear what the old band entrees ale. Back in the building fresh off of a nice trip to Phoenix Arizona for Royal rumble weekend. We're out there for takeover the rumble some rumble after parties that will talk about today as well shot out to the people we saw down there. People running up telling us that they listen to the show that they support us once again big ups to you guys. Thanks so much for following the show. It's a good week. And we got some stuff talk about course, touch on the Super Bowl and everything that goes into that week in this weekend in what we're doing. We've got to touch on something we heard today on the radio that just kind of dominator a group chat this morning, and then we'll get straight into the combat sports stuff. But Drake is nice to be back in Vegas, decent weather or not freeze the rest of the country can't be met. Now. Oh, man on actually like Phoenix. I had a good time. And whether it was good there too. So I heard the weather's about to be trashed for the next few days at Vegas. I'm not looking forward to that. I'll get Wendy of rain will be I eight Chicago, minus three degrees. You know to any of our listeners cargo you need to move. This is Doug the murder rates high and the weather's killing people to so young, man. Look, I'm a White Sox fan. But I am moving cargo. No, hell, no, hell, no way. I saw Lake Michigan freeze. Yeah. That's crazy. Water freeze a body of water. I can't I can't do it, man. I'm not built for the cold. I only own one Jackie. And like two these I'm not the super swag tastic. They AJ Springer front of the of the podcasts verse rat pack member. He is just all swag out in Washington DC in this one degree weather. You got no flakes in the beard got a scarf on. Yeah. Taking still fees. Thank men. Hell now, it's cold for that. Well, you got snowflakes in your beard museum, even go inside. But I know you don't have a choice, you gotta you got to commute. You gotta get to work. But you'll boulder man to me take yourself us, man. The icicles and the beard. I don't know that might be the new trend in two thousand nine but he just looks frigid out there. So I couldn't do it. We're going to enjoy our weekend right here in this weekend. Of course, the biggest event in sports at least stateside two Super Bowls as we get. I I feel like football's kind of gone under the radar especially since I a regular season like fantasy football ended up just pulling out. Okay. Whatever my giants are in. It will probably have rookie of the year. But outside of that not too much easier for me, Tom Brady's back into it. Again. I feel like it's like the Golden State Warriors at this point. I'm not surprised I understand this. What I expect ASEF's trash and then we get the ramp. China upset them what I want us to talk about though is the real star this Sunday. And that's the snacks Dray. Are you watching the game one? I'm assuming you are. To coups cooking, the food Dray. Are we don't look I got a house full of people who don't care about football. It's just me. So like my family watches the Super Bowl for commercials. I got I haven't that family. Oh, yes. They don't they don't care. They'll talk all through the game. Just like they'll talk about the halftime show. So even like, some food, usually that's what I have my wife and cook them in those who don't care. Dinner. So don't care. So I probably would've some pizza maybe be cheap day for me. So I'll probably was the pizza and and drink from a bar heavily stacked bar in a enjoy the day. I'm supposed to be working to them. It's supposed to be helping the team out sport news was Super Bowl coverage. So we'll see how this all plays out because I got to enjoy the game as well. It's possibly man has deep dish in a minute. And I don't have to go all the way Chicago to get it, and I'll have to die going there. So I can go it's like around the corner from my house fantastic. Can't be that. Unfortunately for the first time in forever have to work on the Super Bowl. So I am in charge of all digital aspects of the Super Bowl because CBS is hosting this year. So I'm going to be there. Hopefully, they bring in dope food. I'm up in the air because you can't trust everyone through dre. You can't today they put out of emails like bring your favorite Super Bowl or football snacks. And I'm just like. Those are that's when you get raisins and potato salad type people. Yes. See like Super Bowl party is like I host I don't necessarily attend because I need to control the food this at my place, unless there's some people like no one, I'm close to can't do it, man. You can't you really can't eat. Everybody's food. Simple food is a lot of finger foods. So like. I love lane is family too. I think I went over there wants those people and her cousin who can't particularly cook. Her thing at all the family events are like cocktail weenies and not even like super prime cut. Cocktail weeds light is it has been like generic Oscar Mayer cocktail he's wrapped in big. And in some tape of odd sweet sauce, and then she just breaks those that was it sound healthy at all. It's it's it's not all melts together and the sauces like a thick on Jemima syrup. In the top of the baking, Chris, but clearly Dan turned it over. So the bottom was still flimsy baking. It's all bad all bedridden. So like, I can't can't trust everyone's food. Now, I used to go to Filipino households for Super Bowl though. And we'll be on deck during the Super Bowl. Can't really beat that. That's true. I mean, look man, I. You know, I got a black household, man. We don't we don't really fail a cooking. So I don't have to worry about cocktail. We need a miles. So everybody got that one onto that can't cook though. Yeah. But then you just don't let them cook. Cook, my mom, my mom cooks. I'll throw it out. Okay. I never like I I saw him. Bob bring like a plate was always have so much food. It's not like there's opportunity for people to really bring that much food. So I can get a good grasp. I say gravel couldn't could save a life. Here's my grandmother, full blooded white Italian woman could not. Just look, man. I love her. She's gone. But she tried to kill me with a food for my whole light terrible. Like, she's just certain people can't cook. And look why people just don't use season properly and they cook out of cans candlelight. And it's crazy. They do like not one for the kid. Black people have their things though, I'm gonna have to call out black folk for a second if you invite me to your Super Bowl party, and you insist on be tasted your rotel dip like it is a delicacy you need to get the shit out of here by we were so proud of the role dip like no you do the same poor the canned tomatoes, you puts a velvety cheese, and you have ground beef. And you throw it all together. It's not like you reinvented the wheel. That bothers me everywhere. Black people love rotel did. I mean, should I like what is delicious? But I feel like people take like my rotel like, no it all tastes the same fam-. There's nothing. There's nothing you're doing to make this stand out. You're not making it with venison like the day. I see like some real Vermont, sharp, cheddar and venison in retail dip bet abruptly you got I've yet to see that in my life, and you probably won't. So don't even stress it, so yeah, that's I can't chemist. Whether it was food work is a little weird sometimes they order from wack places. So I'm not expecting to have the greatest of meals during the Super Bowl. But one thing that's going to perk me up. Halftime he is back and an exte-. We now understand it. We'll talk about this later that there was a tease after an extent show in Phoenix. And people are like, oh my God. Though, leaving Rick shaking and call up. I was the black. We now know what that ripped was to promote. And why they had this beef faces versus the heels just because we're having a three versus three-match instead of the halftime show for the Super Bowl. Thank click YouTube channels the question or you got watch this on the laptop. Oh, knocker watching them a laptop. I mean, Doug family my right revolt. If you change the halftime show now because it's like, they don't even pay them much attention. So if it's halftime lay my wife will probably be upstairs like at a certain point. They just all tune out. It's like my nephew. He's he's he'll be thirteen next week, and he could care less about football. So he'll probably be playing four at night. So I really got to worry about anybody else. It's just me, and which really got to get your your nephew. It's like wrestling or maybe football. I mean, the kid is is huge. Yeah. He's a he looks like an athlete like you, see the, obviously, you're very private person. You might have like three pictures every nephew, and they're probably super old pictures. But I swear to God he's got like giant man hates. He's I mean, listen he's grown like four inches over the summer. So now he is five nine or five ten thirteen and his gut pause. The size of Mont. Yeah. He's one hundred he's probably about one hundred ninety pounds now. So it's like he's he should be. But in a recent man, he he don't he has no interest in India. An eight four nineteen that's just game. And that's a lot of kids nowadays, though, does just gave me you just catch a six eight two hundred and twenty pound kids is bussing ads online enforcement. Boy back in my day would have been a powerful. I mean that would have been your job. Like you have nothing else to do play sports. Like, that's what it was. But different different time and different times. I don't I don't have to worry about like changing. The channel is and nobody cares. What am I house kids like veil wanna watch like movies because like through my methods? I have like all the Oscar nominated movies on my hard drive right now. So that's what they're going to want to do. But they're not they're going to be watching the Super Bowl. They're going to get out. Yeah. At work. I have someone already on notice. Like, listen. I you I'm doing all the digital sports stuff. I'm doing tweets cut, a running commentary on Facebook faced glides this stuff. As soon as they have time show goes. This other taking podcast that I am on occasionally her name is Nikki she works for me. She's in digital as the entire halftime show is all fan because I'm not paying attention to it. Now, if you all want me to tweet about wrestling during it that I do, but I'm not watching maroon five why would I wanna watch maroon five maybe big boys performing? They don't give big boy thirty seconds now. I don't care what give I don't care. It's a Super Bowl. Yeah. Like, what did you end? They're gonna make him perform some crate nine compartments of Baghdad like they're going to give him like his verse miss Jackson, not even know so low so. Dr Lucious left-foot. None of that. Like, I really when I say, I don't care. I really don't. I don't care about the point cots. I think we talked about this like I said before a man like, I still watch football. And I don't watch it as much, but that's just because I don't now we'll get sporting news. I don't have a choice like this is my job. So it's like, but if I if I wasn't working for news. I still a SuperBowl. It'd be like the halftime boycotts more. So than anything like we ended up with route five because everybody else decided to boycott I much rather have carding beach with talk show like look man, I get it. If like. To to take a stand and not perform at the SUV won't be like nam good. I get it. I get it like they need you. You don't really need them. It's a nice sick was some of these reality is already rich like Jay z already rich like half, Tom who would I need exposure? And not really so I get it. Like some of the ex. Yeah. Of course, you could use it. So good for the people who didn't perform like send that message. I don't know if that misses his still being hurt. But send the message got to send that message. Let them know we shall see doesn't seem to have swayed them at all they just went to the whole we're sticking by our gun sooner or later, people are gonna just forget about income back to us to me. That's a hell of a way to play. Taiba Hattab performances. You don't give a damn this year? I'm sure there have been years dig a damn what's your favorite halftime performance. Because I don't mind, and isn't that even close might as prince in Miami outdoors, and it started raining Durham? Yeah, you're right. That is the best one for me. All right. Halftime performances. Like prince and beyond say, we're like the two best halftime courses that I can remember a south from that back in the day the Super Bowl when it was halftime. I was watching looking date myself. So all heads are going to be like hail year. I used to watch the bud bowl because the bud bowl was shit. It living color head of halftime thing. I watched the empty arena match with mankind and the rock. How do you watch? Like the halftime. There was always something else. Like like the blood bowl came on. And I would leave the room come out because they had it was it was during commercial breaks. I think it was like the bills and the giants was like somebody's in the correct me off. But I will watch like the living color won't win men on Phil. Oh, man. Like, I watch that. I like I recorded. I don't catch on shows aren't really care about. But. Yeah, when when it rain with prints that was amazing. And but other than that like people like like, the lady guy flips or some shit. I'm pretty sure Michael Jackson performed one year. They like, I'm telling you. That's all say, I'm gonna care like, I honestly, I don't remember anything about these damn Super Bowl. Halftime shows. They're all the same to me. Did you click over miss the whole Janet Jackson Titi gate? That you're where you're watching it the Janet Jackson, you know, just and she was killing it. And then just pop dole tibia. I don't remember. If I watched that live see the first time in my life. I saw nipple rate. I was so confused at no clue what was going on. But I was intrigued, of course, you. You know, it'd be damn right into like twelve eleven twelve. Let me date myself. They might a bit like eleven when that Janet Jackson Teague gate came through Lebanon, twelve somewhere around. So. Yeah, man. It's crazy. You see your first peer stadium a national TV. It's good day an exchange city as that's that's the key. I didn't know how I didn't know how pre she tip. I was of that at the time. But now looking back it's not like it was just a normal one. No, Janet pupa waiting to see that too. For for decades gets at the Super Bowl. They're trying to be. No again, that was that's crazy. I don't remember what game that I just know her Titi was out in those the star of the show. Yeah. I don't man yet. I don't know. What's your prediction for this Grable patriots? I mean. Bill bell, Texas genius. Everybody keeps talking about Tom Brady. I get it. Tom Brady has been fantastic. Arguably the greatest quarterback of all time, you know, there's always going to be Joe Montana. So I get it. But if it wasn't for village thing, we wouldn't be talking about Tom Brady right now Bill Belichick has gotten because Tom Brady can't shut down wide receivers. I keep talking about this. He was like Tom Brady Bill Jordan when Tom Brady could shut down the team's best wide receiver. They you could tell me Tom Brady, the go can't glaze one position is twenty two minute on the field. He's one Jordan was one of five different story. But. This is a game. Like, you got the young coach against the new the older old head. I mean, it's you want to see the changing of the guard with Jared Goff and Todd Gurley and those guys going off and football. It's one game. Thanks, can it be crazy, but Bellichik is just genius. And more importantly, this is interesting stat. It was something we were doing today or at sporting news. They realize it just about every single Super Bowl. The patriots have played it has come down to the last possession. And it's still a win. It's been every single like diet is ridiculous. But what they did to the chiefs. I mean, do they rolled into the playoffs? If people like this is the weakest patriots team ever, we do this every year guys except for the team. They have Randy moss that was high powered and just blowing teams out. We do this every year guys Branca's. He's he's old grunk Julian Edelman, you miss half the year. They don't really have run a game. Of course. They don't really have renegade. Just like Corey Dillon like it's Bellichik. He's too good for this. And. So yeah, I'm picking the page. I hope the Rams win. But as mega Brady and the patriots probably gonna pull this one out. Going to say the same thing. I'm going with the patriots. I don't know we saw same time. We saw the falcons just unload on them. Go up twenty one you know, one year Brady came back then too. So the defense is not star studded. I don't think on the back end. They're better than people can credit for the Rams technically should have what it takes to stop Radi. You look at the Seahawks. The giants teams that either beat them or had the opportunity to beat them. You look at a team like the eagles. And they had good running games. And you get pressure which are front for the Rams your heart press defying to better defensive tackles that have ever faced the patriots. So internal pressures is on mach. Their u the three men in the middle for the patriots have to constantly blocked the two so the defensive ends or running free. If for some reason to leave and he's done it before he's locked up in our think the Broncos is patriots twice. They put to leave in the slot against gronk any locked his ass up. They just tell me Peters has maintained on outside enjoying there has to play, you know, come down on the slot nettle. So I mean on paper they're matched up in their built perfectly to stop the patriots. I just don't think they can't it makes no sense. But they have the exact chess pieces needed to counteract Brady in that off. Offense and the off their offense is going to give them enough to win the game. But they won't Brady still gonna find a way someone's going to blow a coverage. Someone's going to jump something on a double move. The the running back somehow will run for two hundred ten yards all three Sony. Michelle will have three touchdowns out of nowhere. Like, there's always something. And it will be ultimately you look at. The personnel of teams like the chiefs and everybody that that the patriots play like athletically speaking, these are superior teams, and they just can't get the job done. It's targets Bellichik spell. Check is Bill Bill to the guys got their mastermind. So yeah, enjoy the game. I'll be enjoying. I'll be looking forward to the six man tag more than the game itself. Hopefully, we game does get out of hand. I've wanted to see the Rams and the chiefs I wanted to damn shootout in the Super Bowl with over would have been in that game. But it won't be a shootout. Like the Rams in in the chiefs would have been the over on that might have been like seventy. I'm not surprised that I think patriots went by four. So I wouldn't be surprised if it's thirty thirty eight thirty four. Like, it's. That much like some how all the pieces on the Rams defense or really license, shiny. They just never seen putting together they just allow a ton of points. I don't get it. We'll see if Jared Goff to stay. If the light the bright lights gets Jared Goff is. Well, that's that's the real question. I don't think they will cause Sean McVeigh. And that's the next thing. Like a goes under the radar and sometimes they talk about it. But they don't talk about enough. The rule changes in the NFL to allow an offensive coordinator to speak in to the quarterback's helmet until fifteen or twelve seconds left on the play clock change the entire game. And no one uses it like, Sean McVeigh's so Jared Goff. He doesn't have to make his own checks. He doesn't have to make his own reads. They run. No, they get to the ball with thirty five seconds left, and Sean McVeigh's just looking for twenty three seconds and calling the audibles in calling out the exact reads and everything for giant. Golf golf governors have to think there's no way he's overrode. I it's pretty much McVay playing mad at this point because of the new rules, and no one takes advantage of it better than he does as true just makes her job doesn't make any a stupid thrones. That's a hill. That's just has to be good enough within ten seconds. He doesn't have to do the full forty seconds. Like, we think Tom Brady obey in in Rome. So good on commentary, and he's making all these checks and everything Romo says it exactly when McVeigh says golfers the second any of this and does have to think that way it's the evolution of the game. And that's why we see people like Patrick Mahomes, and they'll be like, oh, Patrick Mahomes is the system quarterback in college. And he just has tools, but he'd never had to make two or three reeds of four reads. You don't have to any more and reaches leads a robot because they can't go on the field of do this shit. But guess what he has the most talented robot. And he can make every before the snap and just go no huddle and put them in exact perfect place to do it. And he knows his robot is more talented than other. So the the game changed you really just need people physically capable enough to go out there. Don't get hurt and I can call the whole game three. So it it's it's going to be McVay vers, Bella check. That's the beauty of Gulf doesn't even matter is can't McVay Beshear. Bella check out think he's going to be not yet. True. Not yet not yet. So that's that's going to be interesting. We gotta talk about like a full Royal rumble weekend real quick to touch on John group chat earlier killer, Mike for his detained in a breakfast club. I watched I should this morning. That was crazy. Yeah. And it's funny. Because man, this was like all right. I'll put it like this me at twenty one. Twenty two would have been all with killer. Mike as I've gotten older, there's a part of me that under the agrees with DJ envy. And for those who don't know. There was a argument about sending your kids to private school public school killer. Mike is talking about, you know, keep your kids in public school user, your public tax money, go to these schools name after Booker T, Washington, and you know, Martin Luther King and empower these teachers because that's what they're getting paid to do. No fuck that. I'm sending my kids to private school to get a better education. There's two sizes argument. I think they both make valid points and kill it might make a valid point. Like, you know, public schools who have programs in a lot of things that are instilled in kids, and I agree with this one hundred percent as you being in a position to put my daughter in the private school when she gets old enough. I can but everything that my daughters will majority of what my daughter's gonna spire to be is. Because of who I am already. Correct. No school is necessarily going to teach you that my issue with public school private school. And this is something Lupe fiasco talked about longtime ago, and it stuck with me for longtime. Louvain was always like I need to take care of your kids because I need to make sure your kid doesn't shoot my kid. And then when he said, it was like this is like two thousand five when I brought him out to biggest war show when he said this resonated where he because it's you really it's not really about your kid. It's about the kids that are around your kid and how they make your kid feel or the fights. Like, I got so many fights and like early middle school. Like, I'm not saying private school is perfect. But get rid of some of that riffraff, especially they also depends on where you send your kids to school like between New York public schools or private schools versus like Vegas public schools are private schools. So I see both sides argument. I totally understand. We're killing Mike is coming from. I get it. I know what he wants. But I do I also have to protect my daughter like I can't send it some shit. Like, my kids not going to value Rancho high school like we did grown up. It's not having. Yes, he might perspective. And why I think you had this conversation longer conversation. They shows, but my perspective little different. Tarantula high school shitty. But I went there for a program that wasn't shitty might Valley High School. Now, it's like fuck valley is still valley. But the international baccalaureate program is amazing. So it's like damn like, the the trade off and understand why they put those in those schools now, you know. Yeah. 'cause it it's crazy. But it's like do you still like the IB program? There's probably equal to if not better than -education get a gore, I think Valley High School the pass someone put his members out on social media. It might have been at the new station valley. Highschool to pass five years has more Ivy league students or students sent off the Ivy leagues any other school in the state. Would you believe that shit? No, you're valley valley, you will walk it up and debt like it's cra-, but they put these great programs in there. And it's still public school is still you have to test into. It is still selective. You have your own specific teachers, your own specific curriculum a point in have honors classes. So it kind of weeds out the more riffraff on the bottom. It's not like your kids will take normal classes if they're in these programs, and you can do is maybe play sports with these kids go to school dances. The still get opportunity for bad influences. But it's not necessarily educational influences. That makes us if there's occasional liked like that back to my thing is like we're remembering when I went to school in the reason why I stopped caring. You know? It's it's a household thing. But it's also school thing. So it's like, you know, if you're going to school with the perfect your kids in in international BAC program, or if they're in a in a certain vocation. Program at a school. If it makes sense, but if you have the option, and you look at it, depending on what your kid grows up you have to really take into consideration where you send your child's. Well, it's like, it's like daycare, right? Like there's certain daycares like I'm seeing videos. They didn't it didn't affect me before. But now, I have a daughter should change where these these these people daycare abusing the kids, right? You get what you pay for at the end of the day in some ways. Yeah. Like, you do get what you pay for. So I do want my daughter in the best programs, but I do understand both sides. If there is a program in public school that my daughter can benefit from then I would take that into consideration. But I'm not sending my daughter just any old school just because it's called Booker T, Washington. And I think that was his case like I think by took it personally is because to him. It's like you don't want your shame for them to socially. Kind of hang out with the people associated with public school. That makes sense like socially, you're embarrassing. You think you're better than sending your kid here where they may learn bad habits from public school kids like they can bad habits from private school kids, like socially stems outside of education. And I think that's where like a lot of people feel that way is like no, you won't be happy. You wanna send them what a bunch of which rich white kids? And you wanna keep them out of the hood. People are gonna turn a bad where the hood people are gonna make sure they don't have the grades or teachers in the hood, don't approximately. No, they can put great teachers in what I my heart is teachers my best teachers life but were through high school. They just happen to not really teach hor. It's it's a horrible fact, but they probably had. Eight percent of their classes with general population zone kids. The rest were magnet kids like me who had the AP classes, the advanced classes, and then the magnet classes something's teachers never some of the best teachers at school never touch the general population. News like, you know, go to private school. You kick my comeback with the opioid problems school. Your kid might be just smoking weed like this is just the balance is ridiculous to try to figure out which way to go and truly the crazy. Like, oh, it tells, you know, going the parents the environment raises the kid in a lot of cases like I wasn't raised by parents. But I also had unique situation. But most people that I know like most most of my friends or people that grew up with winter wrong way. They had good parents. But they fill them with the wrong people, and there's only so much apparent can do to protect and shelter their kid. So you wanna give you you do kinda want to insulate your kid from the bullshit, but also comes with being really hands on which child and their education. Like from the beginning to the end like I want to know about teachers are doing I want to know the homework like parents get too busy. And it becomes an economical thing that Saul much also killer. Mike his. His metality. I get it. It's just a much more difficult decision. Just saying I'm sending my kid here for some self esteem shit. It's much deeper than that word. You don't my daughter only has two classes out of seven where she gets homework. Well, tell me that's not the wildest shit by school stopped giving homework. Length day that there's some I guess there was some stupid study. That was like homework doesn't do anything in a distract students. So it's just like classwork grades. And yet is banana is you better read or some shit. Right. You don't do something every day after school? You ain't gonna be here gossiping, which low friends like no, you better do something. And, thankfully, she's in dance classes and everything it takes time. But I'll say Egypt. What no homework, and they have those little portal's who check their grades. I was like yo you got like four classes, I'm into fort tests. We're like in week eight of school. I was like you guys got an easy. Jeez. Which I went to school now. So I understand it's just a crazy conversation. If you guys have seen it or listened to take out the breakfast club episode. This is frightening this I February. I check it out. It was kinda crazy, but it's good. It's good narrator killer bike it is really on shake the Netflix show. He's really not everything's to be greeted with he just broadening the the range of what can talk about what people are talking about you agree with some you don't agree with other. So I think he's doing really well. So one day I want to touch on. We're wearing to split this. Wrestling segment to two segments before the break. Which is now we're gonna talk about our weekend at the rumble when we come back. We're going to do like our real of recap of what happened. So I thought the Zona atmosphere to me was one of the best atmospheres for wrestling. We've had so far, and we weren't there the whole week. So I wasn't drained out like, maybe, you know, mania weeks kind of drain me out 'cause they're so damn won't. But I thought this was a good vibes. Always sunny. Everyone was walking. What was it? We walk six blocks from your spot to the Rena, and everyone was within six blocks in those two having news like everyone was right there. Yes. See like, this makes me dread going to New York like everything that I just experienced it at the Royal rumble in Phoenix from the close proximity of the arena from Citi field and talking stick like they were blocks within each other. And then I mean, there are no India shows, of course, but. Everything that you need. It was downtown. Now, granted Phoenix kinda wack is that like too much to do down there. But if you're there for a wrestling event, all you really care about wrestling answer. Good Mexico, better fries. They were amazing. In your case went to bunch every day. Yes. I did kiss brunch. The king the Kane the Kane, but what the but the sun it was warm like city field. It was not cold. Like, I brought a hoodie. And I was like what I bring the city like it was not cold at all. Like, it was fantastic makes me dread. What I'm about to walk into for New York for wrestlemainia because MetLife is in jersey. Exceed is at Barclays, the G one show was at the garden. Like that alone pisses me off, then New York in April in early April. Still like winter like I'm not looking forward to any of this. But the atmosphere overall was great wrestling fans. I mean was kind of dead, and so it's possible for Royal rumble. But what do you expect? It's like a damn ten our show you could type. Up at the end of the meds rumble in Enron, good note, and we'll talk we'll talk more about the matches because we'll go deeper into this. But I've really blown away the AJ styles dating. Brian had the worst match on the car. That's mind boggling, we'll talk about it. When back and watch it. I kind of have different opinions of what had. Then no one we get there. We go to the spot for brunch. And it's he click to say Louise dresser workers. Jay, Marcus have me sitting there. I thought it was a hippie spot. But it was a very interesting bar, but Drake loves the music that they play nothing but eighties nineties like pop music. Yeah. I mean that Bob I could deal with the other thing that was like, wait what I didn't know until my father, and they Dray Marcus met my father for the first time and he lives in Phoenix. So he's like, oh doesn't here. It's like, oh this crazy vice bar as again, the guy grain prices is like twelve dollars for bottle champagne, we're getting tipsy. But it was a crazy day to go there. I guess it was like a team event. But yeah, they met my pops see how young he looks person. My dad is like a unicorn, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Like overall, like the Dewey and was good is about I remember, so mine wasn't bad seats seats were nice. I can't. I mean, yours visit visit mid level flexi that needs to happen for the most part killed me about where I'm sitting at fights. And he's just a fee rows behind all the time. Yeah. But it's just a few rose like media will set in the one thirteen sexy, which is the risers. But when you're in a stadium, it's not bad. But you know, it is what it is. Whereas Mr. Danby was sitting three rows from the ring. On the side where people exited after the rumble was over. Right. So I have like video of everybody that got eliminated like I was going through it the other day. I was like why video everybody I got dirt credential video because he walked right by me. So yeah. So we had to do to finagle into for myself markets to get down to those particular seats. But it all worked out in the end. I mean. Nice three matches together. Yeah. We watch Finn in Brock and the rumble knows just to because. Yeah. Guys came down during age styles. Man. Read at the whereas rolling came out. I was like this. But yeah, now, so the atmosphere is but to the after party gotta table. There was chilling talked to some of the corner club chilling, and I went because I went to move my car looked closer and came back in the markets and trade just looking at me. And then they look looking at me logo. When I left to table was empty next. I get back Markus is hit to him with some old joke. Like as close as you can get between two people at a table like just hit him. Like, yo like Joe's really about to like, give him a crazy, insecurity kick. If he gets any close. Yeah. Man. I mean, it was it was Kofi Xavier woods Jimmy. I I guess apparently since getting nakimora showed up after we left. But yeah, I mean it was a video game spot. You know, I think it's played nothing. But you know, it was I mean, it was cool to see. It's always interesting cause I always wonder what the etiquette is for fans when they meet wrestlers just wrestle like thirty minutes ago. Something is they don't care. They want pictures, and do whatever me I always respect people's personal space. That's just how I roll. Like, I don't get like I was with table next. I'm like what I'm saying? Like, I don't need pictures or anything like that a lot too. Not just give them a pound that was like. That was like this is his favorite wrestler arguably of all time, and there's one degree of separation. Yeah. Meet them again. I'm sure that they're that's my other thing. But yeah, it was up give them a pound, Jim. I mean, like, I literally walking out I ran into Xavier woods like bumped into them. And I was like, hey, hey, what's up, man? Hey, what's up, and I just kept pushing? All right. I gotta go. But it was it was cool to see that. I also went while, you know, you were doing I went to something to western with podcasts. With Conrad and interview Bruce pictured talk to them like interviews coming out next week. But all in all it's wrestling fans weekend. But I enjoy the fact that everything was close just really not looking forward to wrestling. Like I'm looking for star cast. We have all the ticket sale party here next week for that for Dublin nothing that that's here in Vegas next week. And I get to go to that. 'cause I'm not going to the fight. I'm looking forward to that. Because that's all in close proximity whereas wrestlemanias that still going to be fun. But she is taking. And for me, you know, covered from the Bronx every day's to be bad driving, and then a train and then just. Yeah. Man. It's going to block Shrek so I'll be zoster after that ever wedding the week like the week before. So that's going to be just a crazy ten days for me. Yeah. That was our trip to to Royal rumble. We're challenged. It was very exciting. You gotta stay right. Where you are to take a quick break. When we come back. We're going to break down some of the matches getting to some boxing us at may before we get out here. So stay right there. This week's episode of the corner is brought to you by casper mattresses, Casper's and all line retailer premium mattresses for a fraction of the cost. You know, me and Andre are always covering events for always writing articles. But when we do have time to sleep we lay our head down on a nice pillow. We saw premium mattress from casper mattresses, Casper's revolutionizing matches industry by cutting the cost of dealing with resellers and go straight to you know, showrooms no middleman, everyone seen those creepy guys. Trying to follow you around the department store. None of that anymore. 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Fantastic match five five-star five-star would give trae the toughest credit, but I'm no wrestlemainia twenty plus of dog. Listen, I'm going to go back and watch it. We're gonna go off the beaten path real quick today. I've watched wrestlemania twenty for the first time in a long time. The man that we are not allowed to say. But we can we w we can't Crispin while triple h versus Shawn Michaels. I watched it and that was a five star match. I it was probably one of the greatest wrestlemania wrestlemainia endings ever seen and I've seen obviously seen every wrestlemainia. But the been what eighty Guerrero standing in the rain together. After all came through the fact that they were w w. Guys that most people thought would only be icy champions because we're so tiny. They were WCW products. See both of them holding the gold at the end with the confetti coming down, the hug, the tears from Eddie legit. Like, one of the greatest endings wrestlemainia ever, if been widened Ben I would love to see a WBZ twenty four behind the scenes, and how that all came together. 'cause I mean duct that match triple h who was stolen the shovel. It everybody at that time. Shawn Michaels who was just on his his recent return run it through everybody. And then you have been one the war one. But most people didn't think he could win that match. I forgot he won the Royal rumble this he eliminated the big show Eddie Guerrero who brought lizard with a little hill from Bill Gobert to become the chant which everybody was floored by that. Because nobody thought integral could be brought lesser little do, we know Brooklyn. It was on his way out. But a lot of us who read the dirt cheap start any Guerrero was just going to drop the titled occurred angle at wrestlemainia. No. No way that you think Eddie grill and Krispy while we're gonna leave wrestlemainia as champions at the garden in the twenty th anniversary resume yet. They did those are the moments that make w w special they took a risk. They made fan. Let me pop when Ben Benoit's gets AAA set. The pot is insane. And it's like it's the equivalent of today of seeing Kevin Owens, the Sammy's Zane, hold the universal and the WWE championship and having embrace at the end, you know, this. You didn't go happen. Not. We just got chocolate though, that exact same thing. Exactly that's inex- team. But its name story. Does he play then while and Guerrero would not enemies they would just on two different like they were on the same show. But then wide took his talent over the bra after the Royal rumble as a smackdown guy. So it was like it was a different set of circumstances. But it was the thing was is like you just didn't believe it was going to happen almost similar to how when Daniel Bryan one. You kinda you said doubt and the only other the three resume my top three personal wrestlemainia endings are resume twenty Daniel Bryan the movement at Seth Rollins cashing in. And I was there for that. And that pop was stupid because nobody really thought about Seth Rollins cashing at wrestlemainia. You got a surprise any with the guy that you one one because you really didn't care about Brock lives room rains at that point. There's rumors about burglars leaving the company at that time people were overall rains, and then the he'll cashes in to win it wrestlemainia things that you don't expect to happen. But find a way to happen. Some special kind of. Way. Like, even the finishes at resume twenty creative fantastic. Now back to take over again away in ricochet was a match that told a great story, and we watch social media. There's people that are tired of the Gargano in Trump story. I'm not I haven't been joy this even though I don't know where they're going with it now. And I feel like they might be painting themselves into a corner. The fact that Gargano finally just gave into his inner he'll and just had to do the brain BUSTER on the concrete to get the win over ricochet. He turned the corner finally got his ten pounds of gold. I thoroughly enjoyed the match. Plus, we say this jumping over the terrible spot, which he always doesn't WG and people went bananas over. But I was like I've seen this thousand but but I loved it. Yeah. That that was that was the match of the night. Everything else was you're right. It was okay. Like black and she was not really good until like the final ten minutes. It was like limb work forever. Twenty six minute long. It doesn't picked up. I'd rather et better than it started. And I thought I didn't think Trump was going to retain I liked it. I like him Johnny standing on top of the ramp together teasing that. So that that'll be interesting to see where that goes. I will say this also this this is where I I a little curious because this halftime he event like this still gotta be friction with Gargano champ. This is an over. And the fact that the tag it makes it weird. And that's why I've kinda lost on all this because it's like, well, they they're still friction there. And it's just like if they're going to reunite for a tag team match. I need some things explained to me. I otherwise I need friction in this tag team match for halftime. He I can't just be a willy nilly just tagging with each other with Adam Cole. It's kind of weird. I feel like there's going to be friction a little bit between all came out to challenge. Chumphol before the faces came out. On the poll show. So like, it Costa was that made Bill like this friction between all Ness was great the heels even eight to us all I mean dream came out. He was the first one to challenge anybody then Cole came out, then, but it was but Jim was kind of up in Gargano face here. I mean, there's there's a lots on pack. And you know, this will such a loaded roster. There's only so many ways you can go. And they've carried this people think this feud is dragging out, but that visual of both of them holding the title at the end that was pretty other than that like war machine. Win the tactile whatever like I said. Like, I said like insurance made them look really good really strong. Yeah. Yeah. And I got AAA Jeff this show. I went backstage, which is interesting because I got to see a ball, Shawn Michaels. And that was crazy and could beautiful out. I'm already to like roll, my childhood, even more. So now, I'm good. It was like, you know, we're going backstage, and w w p r there's only like seven of us, and they like look don't leave your phones in your pocket, don't taking pictures, and you guys, you know, current great match that. So I see jumping show jumping somebody in like right next to him. And I'm looking I'm like, he's bald. Who who could that be Shawn Michaels? The Shawn Michaels job like going over the matching, you know, see like Drake young referee. He's he's telling a great badge. I seen Gargano and people are hugging him for winning the title. And I say ricocheted like it's just it's an interesting thing because it's the WW still the one thing that's still has a little bit of mystique about it. You go, and you can go into football locker rooms, you see the players go basketball locker rooms, but for w events with something, that's so physical, and you see those guys, you know, there's k Fe, and then there's you know, guys hanging out and figuring out what they can do or they go with video game bar and hanging out after Royal rumble. Like, I love the behind the curtains, and I love the come Roderick because these guys are on the road so much, but I backed takeover on join a great show, not the best. But it's better than a lot of shit that we saw. I really liked to match the opening match set the tone. Riddle Ono had some good fun spots. It could have been like probably beat as nine minutes. So they didn't give them like a superman. Untimely go off. It was just like a teaser for fans of Matt riddle? But good thoughts like the toll by spot. Hilarious riddled has beaten the hell out of him to win. The match was great the crowd really didn't understand it. But to me that was mazing way to finish. Yeah. My mom. Biggest qualm with that is fellow cash Soma that just way too much offense for that match. It was weird because you know, loss bites so the guy, and then I take over you get into like he was the damsel in distress. Matt real from much of the match which was kind of weird Bianca BelAir in in the Baizley. Was that was another one. It was just like, yeah. It's like you could tell that they have a lot of work to do yet dragged at times, it's not Askar. It's not Sasha and Bailey is it's not they like some of the women maybe move. A lot faster than the men to the main roster which leaves a lot of women that are still relatively green. Which is crazy because you got to like Kenneth Ray e Sarai carry saying who are seizing. But you've got Bianca and shayna in this spot for the title. So it puts a lot of pressure on them. But you know, I'll say this one last thing people were like too early for Bianca biller. And I I call bullshit. The reason why I call bullshit because Bianca Bill has been doing this for two and a half years wonder how long Ronda Rousey, he's been doing this shit about like today. It's like I mean, she like she didn't have a I mentioned till wrestlemainia. Yeah. She's at Forman center like this week Lascher, right? So birthday, and some people just get it and you'll get better some people don't a round pick it up quick bianca's exit. Pretty good enough. Letting she's got work to do. But I it was good. It just wasn't great. And you figure they'll have to run back. And I think the author to go a lot more. She was against you'll Shirai or. Candice laret like, you know, the fast paced athlete, so she can be like athletic powerhouse, shayna style. Just lends to I'm doing a lot of Lynn work on THAAD ical on breaking down which they sold in. They told the story, but I think the larage is better as at like that real strong agile person, and she needs another agile person really get that outer. So we're only gonna see better match ups with other women done in NFC. Let's take a look at the Royal run moving quick of Bobby ru check Gable defeat. Scott dawson. There wasn't there. I didn't see it. I don't care. Okay. It was a tag match. Els like alien P and dash Dawson versus Rudin Gable? Ills weird. Dash Dawson law. So a revival inches high in rumors that they're gonna leave first metrics nakimora defeated Rousseff. Makes sense to me. It was a good natural nakimora elusive have great. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about Archer? Yes. And Russa turning heel. I I don't know why it was attorney because again, we've been talking for so long about how smackdown has no baby faces. I doug. If you watch the WWE twenty four, and there's there's a part in a twenty four for that wrestlemainia where Lana was like we've been booed so much. It's so great to hear people chance for Russa two days later Ruth. He'll come on, man. Like Russa was over it. And we'll go back to Royal rumble. But I don't know if it was an accident. I don't know what happened. But there's no reason Rousseau's shoulda turn heel not at all unless I mean, I don't know to seventeen comeback baby. And you need someone for the feud with not the Rusal still be a baby face. Yeah. I feel like there's not enough baby faces they talked about it. I was on Rasa rat podcast this week believes dropping on Saturday, and our whole topic was why does. The WWE have such trouble not only building baby faces but maintaining them in that role. They seem trigger happy to pull you know, as soon as someone gets over. It's like, let's turn them, Hugh. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't I don't understand it. So that's just yet. And then our drew somehow is getting the baby face push. So that's gonna change in the next coming weeks. I know it I feel it in my boats. Somehow that's changing maybe they just wanna get them all into a program for limitation chamber that you're gonna have all fighting each other. But that that's going to be short-lived. I'll tell you that bird Murphy defeated occurred says on a day or time at least on the pre show we saw that to a five line match. I've seen better on weekly television. But a time he's gone. So Kenta as indie band. It will see pro Esley. No, even though they're under management or different management than when he left please spot shows for the, you know, the hopefuls like myself or hoping that maybe does go need Japan in just try understand the loyalty and everything else, but maybe just wants a different challenge. Again, WWE was different. I just feel like AWS got these extraordinarily deep pockets and nothing but space to fill might be the right spot for. But what does he like to me w at the end of the day? What people don't understand is going to be an American promotion day. You have to talk you have to they're going to have TD. They're going to you have to still do the things WWE is looking for coding went and had an amazing time on his, but he's WWE trained. He's WC dubbing trade his daddy was one of the best promo cutters ever. Like this guy. Wants people can talk can build stories characters like in the just can't throw a bunch of people. I mean, those are Thomas problem outside of injuries. He had character. He had bland trunks. He didn't speak. He wasn't a bad. Like, it just didn't work Apollo Kim's. Like, you need guys who have characters. But but look look Awa. I've figure is not going to be. Promo heavy like it's not going to be the same practice. WB? I think the emphasis will be on wrestling. There will be character work, of course, wrestling, but no different than their YouTube show. It's based off care. Yeah. But that's them. Like, that's like every character is not going to be a character. Like, that's that's the elite. That's they are. I don't think if they brought in somebody like Kenta, I don't think about him cutting promos. Kantha verses puck would be a fantastic match. And I think we wanna see and also you have to remember even WCW used to have wonderful luta matches when they started implementing in their none of those focus Bill English except for like like psychosis. Like super crazy, easy w like, you gotta have guys that can work like, so it's it's an even new Japan like they're not promo heavy. So these products. I time. No. But even even we went there. It's not like I don't think he's showing up to cut a ton of promos. Does he get away with? So ultimately, there's there's a few land apply for him dean Ambrose who requested his release as well. Which by not. I I don't think you're gonna knowledge to work if it's a work. I don't know what you're working because nobody's gonna care anyway. Back to the rural Alaska defeats, Becky Lynch. Thanks, Becky tap in applets seventeen minute match. They had a nice amount of time. This was a really good match. But anybody files me on Twitter. I hated Becky tapping everyday only somebody people can pass out. You can't always pass out who else has passed out. Always when they tried to protect someone they make a pass up. Why wouldn't you protect Becky if you if you know, you're going this route will round like, you know, just going there, and Rhonda is what a submission specialist. Right. You gotta give some you. Gotta give rather some tools in the tool set you just Becky to Molly Walker on the Mike every week run. At least as the car to play with you know, what you talk all the ship. But I just saw you tack. And then that's it is let's say angle hope. No, no, look. But the logistically creates a problem, I know people will forget about it. But for me, I don't you just have to ask and later on which will talk about you won the Royal rumble. I know you wanna fight rounding. But you need to get this w back with asker. So I get it because that's what the fans want to see don't waste any time. They can decision you want challenge Ronda Rousey at wrestlemainia, but maybe something should have been like hand. Maybe I should get my window against asking maybe drag it out a week at least shit like you just got some it about like you've lost Oscar now twice in a ladder match for the title your title. And then you got tapped clean as a sheet. So it's like if becky's going to be your stone cold shouldn't she like being a bad like passing out makes you look like, hey, I just couldn't deal with it. I had to pass out tapping his always week like when heels tap what are the crowd shit? You tapped out you tapped out protecting. She's kind of regretted Khanna, tested ideas. Because. The argo. It's just man. I just I didn't I didn't mind losing the people that you wanted to win. No, I didn't want to win. I wanted to ask you to keep the Bill as great as Becky is y'all know I'm asking so in now at the point where let's show this match since I didn't get my finish that I wanted in the Royal rumble. Let's keep show this shit. No, definitely versus Oscar would be the perfect match because Oscar back the runningback Oscar loss last year for the Bill as the challenger clean. Now. She comes into this champion trying to run it back, but still wants not loss. So it's Harvard Charlotte. See she can be shortly. Yeah. That's what they should do. But anyway, yes, asking them Becky was a great match. And I totally agree with that kicking off the show and shame versus the bar. Visit shame win in those prize there. We'll see how they hold those belts doesn't tell me. Look, man. We like we know where this is going and we knew. Yeah. We I was like look man, let's probably gonna turn on Shane, and they're going to wrestle, blah, blah, blah in the inner room, we kind of just hurts the rest of the smackdown tag team divisions because they the belts around those two guys and the whole story is going to focus on them blowing up so it'll be collateral damage. Whoever ends up with the smackdown titles when those to blow up, but what? We have run over Sasha. Did match. So. Yeah, it was it was kind of weird because it was good. But it felt like it didn't reach that level. And it wasn't bad. It wasn't a bad marriage. Fourteen minutes is good time to the finish was weird. Because it felt like when Rhonda hit that that throw like didn't land the way it needed. Lance didn't really hear the impact of the move Pender. And you're like, wait what I like that. It was not a submission though. Like house building like a different skill set. Yeah. I'm totally fine with that with the different kind of Finnish. I just think it may just how the spot was it just didn't hit in the fan. Proud didn't really catch it like they should have like a sit out Powerball. Yeah. So in the end with I mean, we starting to Lou small teases here, the horsewoman, flashing fours and all this shit. So it's like they're working towards something else as well. Then we have the women's Royal romance. Which was a little too long in the two was five. It was seventy two minutes. And Becky coming in and replacing. Llaneras those surprise making humane one eliminating Charlotte who figure we kind of knew that all the time. Yeah. I guess the other thing that I found weird is like Becky just tapped out, and then she got injured and Charlottesville can beat her. So for me. That's that's another reason why I don't want your match, and I know a lot of people like your nitpicking. Yeah. Kind of. But it's like if you can't if you couldn't be Becky in the last woman standing match, you couldn't be clearly injured Becky who just got tapped out. You couldn't toss her out the ring and the Royal rumble move on you don't need to be enough you'd anymore. Maybe you guys have a sendoff it's elimination chamber whatever it is. But key Charlotte out of the damn feud. Didn't O'Brien versus age styles. Oh, I mean, twenty five minutes one. It was a bad place card to went too long. I didn't like the ending. But watching it back. There was some good psychology. Then Brian was working how he'll data prior works Lillard about a stiff shots, it's not high five fast paced, Brian, which is far as the placement of it sucks, but business like a go back to Japan about with this new Japan has these extraordinarily long shows. Right. And and they tend to peak at they don't pique any income back down. It's like keeps rising costs. Right WB has this thing where you feel like you've got to have a cool down met. This wasn't a cool down match. But we're so conditioned with WWE like the placement of matches like the pacing of the match was bad for the spot that it was in. Like, and it just wasn't a good match. When you consider the thing you have to consider styles and Daniels already wrestled three times. So they could have found like maybe trying to tell a different story, but the crowd, which is so out of it. And then the finish was just like what? Rolling out of nowhere. Like it made. No sense. We'll see how they take this. But are they going to string Dan O'Brien AJ's thousand long all the way through mania? Now, they won't do it that long. They'll find another way. I mean, clearly Daniel Bryan's not going to lose this fantastic. Kemp title that he has mainly Buell be hold onto that for a while. Yeah. Beautiful belt. They'll have less ner versus powder. This is a great sprint. It is what it is yet Finn. Look great. But as soon as he's not the demon, then it's like, okay. As losing damn they put it out there and do well for nine minute match Leser sold his ass offer fit. I mean, look this is what lesser is Bill for. I don't need to see him in thirty minute matches small guys with a sprint and make it believable for a hot second that Finn could win. And then lets it gets the pin. Finish to not not too stupid. Catch him out of thin air where the F five it was get hit with the finish in the Khuda graph. But sinking the submission to get the wit. And then the stupid face like always change our group meet chat with. It wasn't makes the craziest faces but the people that are down on listener. And sometimes you want to see the title come off them but matches like this matches like religion versus AJ styles reminds you that this is a very valuable commodity. There's nobody else like him to be changing and take the Goco. No. But it's you know, it also lends itself to whoever does take the title off in which a lot of people fully expected to be set around. It's going to make a made man. So in some ways, like, I know people want to see the title, some somebody's I don't I don't really care. If lesser is having good feuds at paper of us. Good matches. I'm fine with it. Like, I don't need to see him on television. Every week. That's kind of what makes less special seeing them every week or whoever the new champion is seen him. Every week is a lot of television. It's like I got to see him. I'm cool. I I liked this version a lesson that you know, if you want a little underdog you wanna try me come do it. I'll take your face off. Suplex you a bunch of times and make it fun. These sprints are fun. I'm totally fine with this. Now, the matches are good. I think for overall program you only as good as your top champion, and they've been missing their top championed on television every week. So the ICU feuds that set had when he caught this fire again those world championship matches. It's even bigger, you know, as platform, they seem bigger, but here's an opens up spots. Other guys like inbounder is now going into icing title program. Finn is a heavyweight title caliber guy. Now, if you have finished icy champion who have Senator heavyweight champion like now, you're getting somewhere Brian with his own championship. Now, you're stacked at the top. Now here moving here's my counter when you say like Rollins, and like an open challenge, I want to see that. Because the open challenge I just need that that presence of that match quality where you want wrestling every week, and it just makes it feel bigger when you're the champion it makes it feel bigger the champion should wrestle every week. He should be there at least in its program every week. Yes. Why? Because it makes you seem like you understand like the normal feud between him and drew McIntyre how much bigger feels when it for a world heavyweight title. No, oh, you're just leave your mind. It feels beggar. That's the reason for the title. I think I think a guy like I like old school wrestling mentality where like a love squash matches. I don't like exhausting all your options for opponent by wrestling on we television. I think the one thing that they've been able to do Brock lesser is you're able to preserve a few with Finn. Ballot. Whereas Rollins has wrestled half of the rest are already. So it's not nothing too much knew that you can present by him being champion not to say they'd be him. Being champ. You'll be a bad thing with him being on television. But there's a lot of people that are truly against lesbian champion. But when you watch fin versus Brock, you're like man, this is different because you never got it. If rock would be on television every single week or he wrestling every single week. You're. Exhausting. All the opportunities to have something unique in different. That's my biggest argument with it. And that's from Brock. I feel like you do that with without a type. That's all I'm saying I feel like it's going to feel big what regardless of bro. No, it's not it's not broad carrying the title brings a certain level of prestige title where you want to see him lose the title. That's that's what makes it a little bit different. Like Daniel Bryan's a workhorse guy. So it's totally fine to see him there. But I do think there is value in listener as an attraction who was also the champion. Who's also believable this you look at Brock Leser. You're like me FOX going to beat that guy. Yeah. I'm okay with instance, Avery to like a two year part where I'm just like yoga on we told them time. He's had it for like doing a half years out of the past four and a half years time when rates for second. Would he be Roman reigns? It resume. I was fine with it. Because I knew I didn't wanna see Roman reigns with the title every week. And then having to cut promos. It's a three hour God damn show who are in the minority. Maybe maybe I am. Maybe I'm not leave that to our listeners. I know that you guys are tired of this. But I'd like to hear your thoughts around those you want somebody wrestled with the title every week. I don't even if it was Seth rounds. I'd like like right now, here's the complexity with Becky Lynn's right now. I hope they work in this injury angle. So she can disappear for a little while because you've got three months to work for the wrestlemainia. And I can't have her cutting promos on Ronda Rousey every week days, you some people have to disappear. It makes it makes the program that and much more significant when you don't see them in each other's face. Every God damn week. We know we're gives Becky versus Ronda, but I don't need to see them cutting promos on each other for the next what seven or eight weeks, I'm cool. You know, she just has to stay on smackdown for a second and the ramp it up late. Men's Royal rumble, which was entertaining. Jeff Jarrett started off huge fob to always to the end and said Rollins again annexed people came in both men's and women's annex team Athens came in and showed out at one point. We looked up three like, yeah. Look who's in the rate. How do you have any bad matches? And that's the fury import. Because then you go. How do you keep having bad matches? Because you look in the ring you see underwriting, you see Gargano you see Alastair black. You see Pete done. You see all? See you see Joe, and you're like us. You think of all the possibilities for matches that you could have? And yet we keep running the same shit back every week. Well, then you just look at the town you like like w stacked rubber shows you how stack their roster is still so many people in annexed. It's not even so many people can get on television crews couldn't get on tell Houston the rubble for hot set. This'll using Titus O'Neil. So it's it's crazy. Yeah. That's where we're all move. And it was a great again. Great hard. It will touch on kind of some something comes after that next week outside of that has been kind of quiet for boxing, MMA, congre Gregor could be better suspensions slap on risk free much. We'll be seeing them this summer or Cotonou Subir Cabezas was not a slap on the wrist. That would have been seen amount of money five hundred thousand. Yes for the man jumped out in the side of the right? I'm just but that's still not. I'm just saying it's not a slap. You call. It slap on the wrist. If that's live on the wrist. I half a million dollars is absolutely not a slapped on the rich. Could've been much worse. I will say that. He is definitely lucky in in his regards that his man's got suspended for a year. Like, okay. So he's not gonna find again until November. Like, I could be doing everyone, man. Connor in cowboy is the fine to make for me this summer. And then you let everything play out on wants to read it back in November. Then so be in not if Tony Ferguson Emporia fight for number one contenders. And they run it back school me to John Jones gets cleared to fight at least one fight in Vegas. So we'll be there in a couple of weeks, and that's promised to be interesting in its own, right? I think you know at the expense had runnings nighttime. Joe's caliber, I don't think John is taking this too seriously. So that's interesting does he get caught? But I still think is haddish shoulders above damage, whoever's left. It's not core me I'm giving him a runaway chance against everyone else. You know, if the strange thing about UFC, two thirty five is like, I kinda get it. But I kinda go don't John Jones is Anthony Smith John Jones is facing an opponent who be his biggest underdog ever Anthony Smith opened up as a plus thirteen hundred which is huge. Meaning he has basically no chance in hell me while you're calling vent. Tyron Woodley Comorros mine. And if I did I'm picking Woodley. But I think as far more intriguing stylistically, this is I keep saying this is the John Jones, a Dana white said would never headline of pay per view again. How does that change though? Right. I get it the highway classes should main like I understand the logic in some ways. But if I'm tired, I'm like, yo what? Like for real. I'm getting upset about this guy game. I need some paper viewpoints here for I hope he's getting something on the back end of this because Willie he's just done everything. Right. Any fighting use one which one is a guy who has legit worked his way up. I mean, Kobe coverage is doing Kobe Covington things, and he's not in this titled picture. But would it is I need to look. But is he like the longest reigning champion right now. Oh. I don't even think it's close Corby. Just one Bill. John Jones had keep his other one is max Holloway. What did max win that though? Mex Mexican full champion two years ago. Yeah, I feel like the Robby fight was before max Holloway won the Bill. You might be right. You might be right. But I'm I'm talking about Mexico winning until Carter dropping. Well, yeah. Well, because actually interim champion then he wrote he beat up Josie Aldo to become fully. I mean for that. He he got the knockout of Lawler. Way before then so Dimitrios Johnson no longer champion. Amanda New Year's wanted to two hundred Roseanne unit. Just won the title. Take just one brand is so woodley's your longest reigning champion. And it's just still an even yesterday the focus of the two thirty five press conference was really looking at tire Woodley talk trash each other. Like, that's really what the whole press. It wasn't really about John. Even though that Lou a lot of questions thrown his way. But Anthony Smith was just it just looks like cannon fodder a guy that's just going to go in there and lose I would have much preferred again the guy has early. But I think the best match ups for John Silas Lee is blue grotto to see the chin holds up at a heavier weight and coordinate like, you know, attachment there, and then someone on Twitter the other day had a bold prediction for twenty twenty. Which is crazy. The thing about they said in early twenty twenty. At Asanga would move up and knock out John Jones. If you the first person to defeat John Jonjo too soon to even think that the. Danas though like to think about I was like, oh that shit's wild. Because obviously, you the booze between here, and then probably stylistically if you need someone to be John Jones that would be I don't know. Chonkin restless ASO, that's the problem. If you just played to all by John is such a different piece. You put in a guy who is a better trike. He can just plant your ass for five hours. Look, I don't even I think it's let's let's let's see if I can get the middleweight title. I lay I get it. We strapping the rockets who was back like somebody pointing this out of the other day talk talk about assign you who's most just about everybody's biggest rising prospect of last year. Right. But you know, let a better year in the gun and Israel, Tanya Tatyana Suarez and Channing whatever division. She wants. Right. So definitely a proponent of that if you give rose tomorrow she taps into Rams. Well, but but the thing is out of signing. He's a better talker. But people forget he won a split decision. The other two. I mean, look he's been fantastic. But the rocket like we got a slowdown things here. Like, he's going to be under silver, which most people expect. But he could get clipped you never know. But dude, I didn't see him against a knuckles. Like, I need to see like, I am not ready to talk about all this on and damn John Jones. That's insane. Let's let's the baby steps. John Jones was the last fighter and not even McGregor. John Jones was the last fighter that I saw early. And it was like oh, nobody's beating him. Like, he just has too many tools, but a lot of people start looking at fighters just immediately. Nobody's going to be dillashaw. Nobody's going to be this guy. Nobody's gonna be Cody Garbrandt dot they're going to lose. John Jones is a different beast entirely. Put don't even try to put out a song in that class until he proves it. He just hasn't proven give them some time yet. So that's pretty much. What went down, Emma? May we've got a car this weekend, which will just recap next week and that show boxing. Is really just wanted. Davis gets a new opponent. Because Mahrez is injured be able to talk more about that next week. And you're not going to the fighting. No man after Mars got hurt. You know, I looked at it. And I was just like that would not going to go this reason at the same. So that the same guy like Mars in Davis was the fight. I was really looking forward to going going to. I was going to spend a days we've drawn a Davis spend a few days after Mars have these really great profile pieces on them. Now they've fallen out you don't draw Davis can say like he's trying to say like, oh Ruis is better than Mars stop. You just trying to pump fight. No. He's not cutting. Got to whatever to get that money. Still like, we we know. It's okay. Yes. Sell it. However, you gotta tell it. But not we know also this week well tomorrow for those listening to the show. I mean, we got the Kovolev. Alita Alvarez rematch kkob's last, Dan, this is a he's having a chocolate Tito type of downfall. Good early in the last night, though. And then it was a rack Roger ward ruined him on the chin never recovers. It's truly like his last day. It's crazy. It's reward being with the body shot, but on this rematch. Is it going to be intriguing on his few levels to see Alvarez is the real deal? A lot of people say it was the toughest fight heavyweight. People didn't believe him that he knocked out Coppola te'o. Fema Lopez also on the card who was fantastic prospect say when your favorite process, love them. One day is going to be spectacular. Yeah. I mean, females one thirty five he's not going to be the longest day with them at the gym last month. You'll be at one thirty. Oh, I don't know how he makes it now. One forty one day. These guys are about to be quote. I mean, you look at it. You look at the prospects right now. Ryan Garcia, Devon Haney. Tia FEMA Lopez like one four hundred sixty one forty seven. Yeah. Like these guys, and they're all going to move up. So it was like people always worry about the future of boxing, watch O FEMA tomorrow. And I asked her about this is also in the car wanted to ask about this that ESPN plus car tomorrow night, the top rank is putting on a pretty damn good one because low business faces gaggle Diego magdaleno who Meg rose afford. 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Eye On the Enemy #9: Eagles-Cowboys Preview w/Blogging the Boys

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Eye On the Enemy #9: Eagles-Cowboys Preview w/Blogging the Boys

"Hey there podcast pals. I'm John Stolnis. The host of the PHILLIES pod hidden season. One of the shows that make up the good fight podcast family from espy nation. Look the baseball. Season is one hundred in sixty two games long. And there's no way you can watch all those games so make sure to check out my podcast twice a week for all the fills goodness. You could ever want and make sure to check out our other podcast including the award winning the dirty inning with Justin clue and Trevor strunk and continued success with Justin and Laze Rozier. Subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or your favorite podcast APP. Hello bleeding green nation it and we have got our eye on the enemy powered by SP nation and bleeding green Asian dot com. I'm your host John Stolnis you can follow me on twitter at John Stolnis. Well we've got a huge game on Sunday afternoon as you. Well know the Eagles taking on the Dallas cowboys in yet the latest installment of this unbelievable rivalry between these two teams. We're GONNA get into all all of the nuts and bolts about the game coming up here in just a few minutes with one of our friends from blogging. The boys the cowboys as nation site. But before we do that just want to remind you guys is to check out all of the other shows that we've got coming up this week here on the degree nation. podcast feed. Of course the Piston SOLEX show will have a couple of preview. PODCASTS looking ahead ahead of the cowboys game this Sunday afternoon you'll have. BGN radio with B. L. G. and Jimmy Kamsky also giving you their thoughts and breaking down the match ups ahead of the Sunday's Game Babes on broad will will be along later in the week as well to give you their thoughts on what's coming up on Sunday afternoon as well as a lot of other shows I will have a BG memories. Up as I took a look back at Some recent recent late Season Eagles cowboys matchup with playoff implications. Just like the one coming up this Sunday afternoons. Make sure you check all of that stuff out on the bleeding green -ation podcast podcast feed this week and join me to break down. This Sunday's game against the cowboys what is essentially amounting to a playoff game. As obviously the winner moves on and the winner is going to stay home actually actually in the eagles case they'd still need to win one more game but the cowboys can clinch the division with a victory on Sunday is RJ. Ocho a staff writer for the espionage cowboys site blogging the boys you can follow him on twitter at RJ RJ. Thanks for coming on I on the enemy. How our friend? I'm doing well a big fan of you guys You know three hundred sixty three days out of the year so you know this is Or approaching one of those other two though and it's always a fun week yet. It's a healthy. It's a healthy respect and yet the needling is endless On weeks like this because I mean this is. This is a great rivalry man. I mean this it's had its ups and downs You for a long time The cowboys dominated this rivalry and then for a long time. It was the eagles and went back to the cowboys. Now it's lately. You guys have had the eagles number over the last couple all of years as eagles fans it's super duper frustrating. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you. Since the start of two thousand eighteen has also been some a couple of really weird games. The the the opening kickoff fumble recovery that really you know from our perspective can't see any reason why the cowboys were awarded possession of the football in that game in Dallas and then there was the game earlier this year the Eagles turn the ball over on their first. Two possessions. Set you guys up for a couple of touchdowns on short field. It's it just. It's it's been frustrating from the Philadelphia Perspective of this rivalry as of late But what's really cool about this rivalry over the last few years that we've had a lot of games like this late late in the season week. Sixteen weeks seventeen where everything is on the line. And that's what we're setting up for again here this Sunday afternoon. How robust is this rivalry? I will read to you guys. I know it's I know it's fierce on this side. How do you guys approach this rivalry? Or you know I think I think so. Much of rivalries than divisions is based on quarterbacks for a long time You know Tony Romani. Lie Manning kind of worked in parallel so for a long time it was the giants you gotta get over the giants And so obviously the Winston sort of added a new chapter two cowboys. Eagles in there is something specific. And I I'm sure that that street goes goes both ways. You know cowboys fans the giants and the Redskins. But I mean it's the eagles you know and they really hate them and I it's always you know interesting in Europe. There's always some sort of drama and the fan base in Philadelphia's very passionate and very rabbit and that makes you know I'll say that I don't know that giants it's fans or Redskins fans are as vocal on places like twitter for example and so that really has added a new sort of element to this cowboys. Eagles fans going back at each other on twitter. And you said I mean there've been some great games here lately in a last season was the first time I believe in the deck and wins and Zeke for that matter era where Where the game philly was significant because in both twenty sixteen in two thousand seventeen you know in the year before the cowboys clinched the one seed it was just kind of a whatever game and the next year the Eagles in the same position before they would go on to win the Super Bowl? And you know that game in Philly last year was really where this this holiday US era but this sort of version of the cowboys were born. That was late in coming out party. That kicked off the five game winning streak check for them that Set Them Up for the playoff run last season. And so I think it would be meaningful certainly for the cowboys to go into Philly to win the division. You know on a night like fat bad that it's going to be It's IT'S A. It's an intense rivalry in. I mean this with all respect but there's a healthy respect. I think between cowboys fans Johnson Redskins fans. There's only for the eagles knowing that goes both ways man. That's that's that's a two lane highway for sure and you know both these teams come into this game. Having had very very weird seasons they're both seven and seven but the cowboys in the eagles have gotten to those records in in in very different ways and and I think if you take an objective look at the talent on both of these rosters. There's there's you can understand why the eagles might be at seven and seven given all the injuries they've had at wide receiver with easily the worst wide receiver core in the NFL at this point But you've gotten you've got a number of other headwinds that have been facing the eagles. The defense is is his has really been up and down. They don't have the personnel to do a lot of the things that Jim Schwartz wants to do cowboys on the other hand for for from our perspective. It's it's a mystery why they are seven seven and seven because you look at the offense of talent that they have there with Ezekiel Elliott Amari Cooper. Some other good receivers Gallup as a look as a very good looking young wide receiver. They've got good offensive line The defense in past seasons has been very good. You know what is what has been holding Dallas back here so far this season because it's it really is kind of amazing that you guys are just at five hundred. It is amazing and I think it's amazing that they got there by beating the rams of all teams You know our victim. Nobody nobody that I know was picking the cowboys to beat the rams last week now absolutely in I'll say this and this was really true entering the first matchup against in this season that was when the cowboys were coming off that loss of the jets and everybody talked about How the cowboys have never quit under Jason? Gary and I would say that. That's they really Really Been True. Every time they'd been in that all this is this is where the wheels fall off game. They always come out and they win. And you know they want with authority against Philli Back in October but heading to that rams game they had they had lost that game that okay. Our backs are against the wall. Let's show the one who really are. Then they lost in Chicago and so it felt but like you know this thing had truly broken. It's hard to know what happened against Los Angeles but I think to explain why they're five. Hundred is just a collection of weird the stakes. I mean you know. Football is a game that You know sometimes it's just your day you know sometimes every bounce you know falls your direction you mentioned the the Kamu grew tale fumble. Sometimes those calls go your way in. That was funny. You know that it was him of all people that had seemingly recovered given what he said entering that game a year ago. But I you know I. I think that they've been you know I don't want to lump it up to that and say oh. They've just had bad luck because they've also made some really poor coaching decisions. I mean they have a really early prolific offense they have a lot of talent seemingly on defense I have one of the best point differentials in the NFL and you look at the teams that kind of lead the League in point differential and they're all these studs like the ravens even the chiefs and the Patriots and you wonder how the cowboys they at many points. This season editor point differential in the seahawks for example and so. I think that they've just they've they've found the most specific ways to lose if that makes sense and I think a great sort of Microcosm of that you know. Everybody saw the game against the Minnesota Vikings on Sunday night. Football about coming out of the by. You know there are down late. Needed a touchdown to win and Dak Prescott. Six of seven for seventy nine yards to put them right near the goal line and then they just run it two times in a Oh and just shoot themselves in the foot and that's kind of what they've been. They've been a team that can go eighty to eighty five percent of the way in that last little bit You know they've not just stumbled stumbled but they've completely cratered in. It's been enough to cause him to lose games. I think. Hope everybody The jets game was really overblown. But everybody has it really bad loss like that. They lost the Patrick got their teeth kicked in. They lost the Patriots in a lot of these losses. I think you can swallow but it was that lost in Chicago. That's really the only loss this season where I have felt concerned -cerned about them but the way they bounce back against the rams I mean you gotta like their odds heading into Sunday yet. Eagles have had a number of those kinds of losses this year the loss to the lions early in the season the loss to the Falcons Elkins now as we look back on it was it was really hard a horrible loss but you know before that game you lose to Sean Jackson. alshon Jeffery and Dallas Goddard in in the opening warm ups and before the first series in the first quarter is over. I mean so you can at least understand that one. The the dolphins loss was the worst loss any team. Any any contending team has suffered this year because there was absolutely no excuse for for losing the way they did To Miami a couple years ago given up thirty six thirty seven points up to the dolphins I mean how. How does how does that happen? But talking about Dallas they did look impressive against the rams last week and Dak Prescott looked really good and then in he is so he's so funny to watch from a distance. I'm sure he's frustrating to watch times for you guys because you see a guy in there who can do like you said lead a team. We've SEEN AS PHILADELPHIA EAGLES FANS we've seen DAK Prescott drive the length of the field over and over again late in games and lead his team on scoring drives and you no you wonder why. Why doesn't he do that all the time? What what is Dak Prescott? What kind of season is he having right? Now because the cowboys are the big decision to make with him this off season. Uh You know I'd say You know you're you're always going to have a sector of of fans and part of the fan base that's going to be discontent no matter what. I'm sure you've you've been in two thousand seventeen there were people that were fed up with Carson Wentz for a ridiculous reason or another and there are certainly still are. Yeah well these days as a little bit different but a little bit better but but you know Zach has been. I think marvelous this season and I think that has had a lot of success in at times in spite of his coaching. I think he's obviously had some really great coaching. Everybody saw the The hip thing and the dance and whatnot. But that's really been DAX. Focus guests are was Has Been like it's the beginning of the season but that was his focus coming into this was mechanics and you know where where your foot is. When when you launch an and the tiny little details that I think had had been glossed over? Perhaps by him you know it's certainly through college and maybe early on in his NFL career. And I think you know to answer answer the question who is deck press guy. I think he's he's the answer you know to be vague. I think the he's the person that if the Games on the line. That's what you want the ball if you're a cowboys fan and I think he's. He's proven that he's capable of doing that last week against the rams. He was in a bit more of a luxurious position. You get you know two hundred rushing yards almost three hundred. You're going to be doing fine any day the week but I think that has developed into into a quarterback that can do just about anything you need. He can go for four hundred yards of. That's what you really need. He can sit back and chill he. Can you know the cowboys finally utilized a quarterback sneak on fourth and one against the rams. He can be that guy and so I think we've seen his skill set be more diversified this season and I think that he's somebody who cowboys fan great level of peace in When the ball is in his hands when things are close things contentious etc.? I I don't know I mean in my perception is that I don't know that Eagles fans certainly feel that way with Carson Wentz. But he has you know a really difficult situation with no I receivers and stuff back does have the benefit head of having a strong supporting cast released a stronger woman Carson and I think he's using it effectively. which is the most important thing you can ask him? Yeah I mean over. His last three games against the EAGLES PRESCOTT US put a passer ratings of one zero two point eight one. Oh four point nine and one hundred point five and I was looking at some of the numbers with with with Daqing. It's you know it's it's kind of interesting that I don't know how the Eagles are GonNa are GonNa stop him here on Sunday afternoon because He like most quarterbacks does does worse so when when under pressure when he's not under pressure his quarterback rating is well over one hundred when he's under pressure it's much lower but he also does well against the blitz according to Pf he's he's is better against a the Blitstein when he's not being blitzed. So in other words you gotTa beat him with four with with a four-man rush and the eagles because they can't play up up at the line because they can't play tight man coverage Because Dallas has some good weapons in Amari Cooper and and galloping and guys who can who can beat them down on the field the eagles have to play soften zone and so press Prescott can get that ball out quickly and I would imagine that that's going to be the formula again. Here on Sunday is allowed allowed back to to try and get the ball out as quickly as possible. Would that be accurate. I think so you know I think a lot of it is just mechanically. He's able to do something like that. But I think philosophically philosophically deck is different guy. His approach is different. He He was on his show. THAT THE THE DALLAS COWBOYS DOT COM staff put together last week. Actually and he told a story worry about an analogy that John Kitten. Cowboy's quarterback coaches has really kind of introduced to him that sort of changed the way he approached things and and he said that the Chonkin talks about when you're in line at Golden Corral and You know and you get in line. There's all the food is tab affect Cetera in the prime rib is at the end of the line. And you WanNa you WANNA wait. Some people want to weigh like I'm going to wait in line. I'M NOT GONNA get anything. I won't eat the Prime Rib. DACHSHUND the junkin approaches. We'll do don't pass on the chicken fried steak right here. We're going to get that we're going to pick that up but we're GONNA wait in line and we're ultimately we're going to get that prime rib but we're not gonNA pass on anything that we see here in the interim just because we have our eyes focused on the prime rib and so I do believe that. That's why Y dad is so much better this season and he has guys shifty guys Randall. COBB and you know obviously Amari Cooper Michael Gal can work the middle of the field and I think he's done a great a job in in you mentioned against foreman of taking what's available to them and then that sets up You know forgive me for going full circle here. But the prime rib shot which he's been able to execute execute effectively when he's needed to what's going on with Amari Cooper. His production level has been down. I seems like he's struggling with injury. And it's really affecting him. And I I know Dak Prescott. Prescott is a is a completely different quarterback with Amari Cooper on the field and I think it shows the importance of having a true number one wide receiver something that Carson Wentz it really has not had since the two thousand seventeen season. I mean they thought they were getting a good guy into Sean Jackson at the start of the season. Look great for one game uh-huh in there But obviously that didn't last too long. And alshon Jeffery was a shell of what he wasn't two thousand seventeen and now he's done for the season and so looks like they get Nelson Aguilar back here on Sunday but I mean that is. That's no great shakes. And so you're looking at Nelson Angle. RJR Theta whiteside. Greg Ward is your top three wide receivers and you know it's understandable extendable. That might have some trouble with Amari Cooper on the Field Dak Prescott so totally different quarterback it just brings such A. It's such a dimension to the offense. It gives awesome a true weapon on the outside. You see with that Prescott especially how important it is to have a true number one wide receiver on the outside but over the last few weeks. Amari hasn't hasn't really been that type of guy so what's going on with him. Well you know. I think this is an interesting element to this game specifically because Amari had such an effect in his first cowboys eagles game last season. Obviously yeah I mean you know and and you know you mentioned acts ratings and stuff you know his last couple of games against a lot of Adam if a tip ball doesn't end up Margaret Percents. I'm in a lot of this is a very different thing and For what it's worth. I would be remiss if I did. Not Mention that Amari Cooper cowboys are eight we know against the NFC east that includes obviously some some big wins against the Philadelphia Eagles. A three and now I believe in Mars record But in terms of what's ailing doing right now it's a little bit of everything I mean. He's had fully had thighs bruised and he's been nicked up and that's really affected him. I think it's obvious and there are some people starting to wonder you you know in other way people can be. Is this the Mari that Oakland saw there at the end but he truly has just been bombed in bruised in a lot of ways. Variety of ways isn't he didn't show up huge our a huge way last week against the rams but he had some tough catches him and they only had you know pedestrian day as far as his careers concern but the will is still there. I think the want to still there. It's just a matter of you know things not fully materializing because he's been heard in game situations and whatnot and you know you're right the Dacca's different guy and certainly a very different do when Amar's available but where the cowboys have not you know. Fortunately for them regressed because I think everybody remembers who they were prior to Amari landing with them last season as they do have Michael Gal to lean on. Now I mean they have certify -able other option besides Amari Cooper that has alleviated. I think I'm ours responsibilities in his bags life if all the more easy and as much as we talk about Dak and of Amari Cooper here Ezekiel Elliott is is really the guy. The Eagles can't beat they've never beaten the cowboys. With Ezekiel Elliott. On on the field. And as much as Schwartz wants to stop the run I you know we talk about it a lot. How how antiquated it is that? He's so focused on stopping the run at the expense of the passing the passing defense a lot of the Times. It is interesting they have never really been able to stop Zeki Elliot. How does E.? Continue to beat Jim Schwartz. It's in the eagles defense over and over again. You know I think I the cowboys obviously understand how to use the run game effectively. Now that's been their Mo for a long time time An answer they were before Zeke. Honestly I mean I think you know you remember DeMarco Murray in that season quite well and and certainly demarcus chapter in Philadelphia. I I would venture to guess but You know I think you know. Zeke is is special and I think Zeke is special in a lot of ways ways though aren't really even fully measured You know John. Mishota covers the couch for the athletic. He pointed out on Tuesday. Zeke has only ever been on an injury report four times in his career. For example I mean you know that's l.. Way that Zeke is so special and I think that we still in a lot of ways continue to undervalue him and underrate him. I think he's one of those guys that you know excellence. Lintz is just so normal for him that very good becomes pedestrian. And so I think that Zeke is. He's he's a slob. That's something he's sort of called himself and he's a guy who knows how to get those tough yards in all the football cliches and he knows how to establish the run in upset football twitter in analytics and everything but but he is. He's he's the most reliable thing if you can set your watch by anything when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys Ezekiel Elliott is the best runner on the field. And you know more often than not you can trust that he's GonNa find a way and what's special about him he's able to Again to speak in cliches to turn those those two yard gains in the six yard gains and those things add up and I think You know the threat of AIDS all the more in the play action and He's a very very valuable piece of the offense. And Tony Pollard is only made the run game. More lethal as as I was when I I was watching some highlights of the the game earlier this year and miss tackles by the eagles were were just tremendous. I mean what won miss tackle after another everybody and everybody ready remember is the Malcolm Jenkins MSAC lousy. That's that was a nice moment for was Yeah I can imagine that it was it was the sun. So you're talking about right. The hurdle over over Malcolm was that what is that. The one Earlier the matchup this year. It's into stadium when Malcolm Office Offers Zeke. And that's honestly though that's that's part of what makes special you know he's a guy in I do feel like I'm just trying to poke ED football twitter. But he's a guy who seeks contact and I do believe that that however little value that has some sort of value that you know you're in for a long day with Z. Because he's going to try to hurt you ashes you're gonNA hurt him and I think that that That takes a toll you got to have balance. I mean there's no doubt when you've got a dynamic running back like that you've got to use it. I mean there's a reason they still employ running backs in this league. They do help you in football games especially when you've got a super talented one so before we hit our break. If you're if you're scheming up the eagles goes defense. How do you scheme up a defense? That can shut down the cowboys. What are the what are the eagles due to to stop? The how have other defenses managed to slow the cowboys down this year here because the cowboys have not been a dynamic offense every week. Well I think you know one obvious answers takeaway Amari Cooper if you can neutralize him. That's Stefan Gilmore. And it's easy to say Sean Gilmore. But he did a fantastic job of that in New England. I think that that's one element although the secondary and Philadelphia I don't know is quiet. I will say a thorn in the cowboy side has long been Fletcher Cox and think dominating the middle of the trenches is a big way to disrupt everything you mentioned the Dak great in certainly one facing pressure and things like that but I mean the cowboys are playing exhibits to a fellow at left guard and and for what it's worth he made. I started the season last year on the road in Philadelphia but that is a point of weakness for them. And you know this is an offensive line that now features three pro bowlers once again but is older is a you know a little bit more weathered and and I think if you can have success so you can disrupt the whole mechanism. We'll step away. Take a quick break when we come back. We'll flip things around and we'll take look at the Dallas Defense and how the eagles offense matches up with that and we'll get some predictions that coming up here in just a minute. That's all up next here on eye on the enemy baseball ball. Truly it is awful. I'm phillies writer. Justin clue join me every week. Along with John Stolnis Liz Rozier and Dr Trevor Drunk as we discussed all the ways the affiliates hurt us on our podcast hidden season as well as historical anecdotes and rar emotional ramblings on shows continued success and the dirty inning subscribed to the good fight. And you'll get conversations with insiders analysis of breaking news and stats stats stats together. 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Now find out more and binging on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast APP and we're back on I on the enemy. Talking with RJ show from the cowboys espy nation site. Blogging the boys again. You can follow him on twitter at Rj Ocho so so RJ looking at it the Dallas cowboys defense right now I was looking at their DVR numbers. Today I was shocked to see them where they are twenty second in defensive. It's of DNA so far this year. The Eagles are sixteenth. I would never have guessed that. The Eagles were had a better where have been a more efficient defense this year. Then the Cat Dallas cowboys. What is going? What is going on with the cowboys? Defense that routinely gives the eagles fits or that routinely gives the EAGLES FITS I. I would Certainly in recent memory I would attribute that to Speller linebacker play. I mean again lately has been phenomenal and Jalen Smith You know his coming out. Party was really last season. And you know demarcus Lawrence. There was that that long-running Joe that he didn't have a sack against Johnston everything. But I think that you know just is constant pressure and and I think capitalizing mistakes is has always been an opportunistic defense at those opportunities come at high volume but they they have tended to at least in the past us capitalize and maximize opportunities. You mentioned the two turnovers start the game earlier in the season but Overall this is a pretty bad. It is harsh but it's a pretty pedestrian defense. And you know I think people looked I mentioned demarcus Lawrence. You get paid. I think he's played well but The middle of that cowboys defense is very very susceptible and to be fair. We're coming off a game. That Sean Lee was Grayton. But Layton Vandross show has been hurt but even before then wasn't playing while in and there's a lot the cowboys fans have kind of you know headed up to here so to speak with Jalen Smith He has not been the same player That he was a season ago. And he's been a bit of a letdown on. And you know this is a weak reverence writing a little bit high but the cowboys can be exposed. Their Egos are are obviously coming into this game really shorthanded. I mentioned they'll have aguilar back. It sounds like on on Sunday but he has not been very good this season. Especially on the deep ball as has been well documented everywhere but even without Aygul are the end without Alshon and without the shot and Sean Jackson without Jordan Howard with a bunch of practice squad guys managed to put up fifty points in the last six quarters plus overtime overtime. So I think a lot of that obviously comes down to the play of Carson Wentz. Any sled these. He led a huge comeback against a bad giants team on Monday Monday night. Football a couple of weeks ago and then let another comeback another fourth quarter last minute drive against a bad Washington team last Sunday. But I think it's These are maturation nations steps. That Carson Wentz has taken here the last couple of weeks and let's be honest. If it's not for an angler dropped touchdown pass against Atlanta. Dropped our whiteside touchdown catch against. It's the Detroit. Lions Carson would have already had two signature. Fourth quarter. Comeback Wins this year. So you can't make too much of the clutch thing that everybody likes to talk about. But when you look at the Eagles Eagles offense how are they scoring. How are they scoring points with the talent that they have on offense right now while you know I would? I would certainly chock at least the last two weeks maybe even the last three weeks up up to competition you know quality of the competition. I think that's important But I you know look the deck. Winston is fun and we have a lot of fun at bt. Be I know you guys do too but I mean Carson carsolio Carson's a great quarterback and Carson call it clutch call whatever I think Carson gotten ability to go win you a game whether you can measure that or not I mean you know. There's all all sorts of metrics. But he's got an ability to to show up into show out and you mentioned you know he certainly Has had opportunities squandered by what's around him at different points this season even before the season and so I think that ultimately all runs through Carson to a degree. But I think that you know that's certainly Achilles heel obviously has a bit of a fumbling problem. That's well documented but in terms of how they're scoring. I think that the eagles are are very good at you know and I know that maybe eagles fans don't I agree with this right now but I think they're very good at flipping a switch. I do believe that the eagles you know they they realized in maybe in the middle of a game okay crap you know everything just got bad we have to fix this. That's right away and I think that they can. I think they've shown that over the the two games that they've won recently and I think that they can certainly did against the cowboys. If they will themselves enough yeah I mean I think that's the thing is is they've been able to like you said flip the switch but it has been against inferior opponents. But that's why I'm not sure what to make the Dallas defense because they have been good against Doug Peterson in In Past Games `specially these these last three games and getting off getting whichever team gets off to a fast start is has one these last few games because it's been Dallas that's gotten off to the quickstart in each of these last three games but as we look at Carson Wentz and now we see what he's done the last couple of weeks with the big thing that nobody really talks about is that Carson Wentz his state healthy healthy throughout the course of the season So that's been a big hurdle that he's that he's overcome he's getting these big games in in late December. He's never played late December football not since his rookie season in two thousand sixteen. So this is all this is all kind of new for Carson Wentz and with that Prescott. He's been here before he's played in these kinds of games before. But when when you compare these two guys I'll put you on the spot. Who would you rather have over the next? Let's say five years would you rather have Carson Wentz Prescott. You know being objective I. I don't know how the answer is not Dak Prescott right now. I I think that you know love of the two. You know. I think the greater peak that we've seen certainly Carson Carson in two thousand. Seventeen was phenomenal. But what I think it's fair to say you know to degree. I'd be curious if you would agree that right now and we're only almost four years into these guys but right right now. Twenty seventeen from a statistical standpoint is the outlier for Carson Wentz. Whereas and so I feel demeaned for Dak Prescott Higher and index seems to be an ascending nding player in a while I would not call Carson Wentz a descending player by any means or any notion I would say that he's a little bit more you know he's like a sine curve? You know I mean He. He's up and down on and I don't. I don't know the Dak Prescott experiences those lows or necessarily has this season. I think the lower deck has when the team overall is flat. And maybe you want it to be that the debt but I think I would take back and I I mean it's not you know a landslide by any means but I I think objectively attack right now is the best quarterback of his dress of his draft. Classic Stews me see I I'll take carson because you know I I look at these two guys and I see them I think Carson's got cartons the more talented quarterback like you said I think the ceiling is is higher you're on him and and maybe Carson has slightly lower floor but I think if you if you put these two guys and you gave them the exact same talent around them I think Carson Wentz gets more out of the talent than Deck Prescott does I think Carson Wentz if he's if he's the quarterback of the cowboys this year I don't think the cowboys are seven and seven. I'll put it that way. I think the cowboys have nine wins. I think the cowboys have ten wins at this point and and I think so much of what Carson's dealt with over the it's really hard to judge because he lost so much development time in two two thousand seventeen or two thousand eighteen with with the knee injury that you'd like to see him having had a full two thousand seventeen and having had a two thousand eighteen where he wasn't coming back from the knee the injury and then dealing with the the back issue last year but I think I think the skill set and the the ability that he showed in two thousand seventeen and I I don't push two thousand seventeen side as quickly as as some. Do I think the fact that he did what he did in two thousand seventeen shows you what he's capable of at the NFL level. which is is a level? That only three or four other quarterbacks five other quarterbacks in the League can get to and so I would. I would want that I want I would want that upside aside Over the next five years over Dak Prescott. I think you know. That's certainly a fair way to slice this. I think you know I think Carson is like you. Know he's he's maybe the best meal. Well you know somebody's ever had right. You went to this restaurant one time. You've gotten incredible meal but you know other than that. The meals have just been unimpressive. And I'm not trying to call Carson unimpressed by means DOC. Is That restaurant that you go to everything you get there. It's pretty good. You know you like the steak like the chicken like the fish whatever and then. You've really never been disappointed. So that call. It may be feeling safe for You know I did think it was interesting to cowboy's fan side it was interesting. PF You mentioned had their war you know metric that they talked about last week. It was their argument argument. Russell Wilson should be MVP of the season which is a whole different discussion but Dak Prescott was second in the NFL. In terms of quarterbacks in terms of you know the most wins they've attributed for their own eighteen. They measured him with six wins last week when the cowboys were six and seven and so I think the deck has been a strong more so than ever. I mean we're talking twenty Eighth Nineteen Dak Prescott. I got a very different quarterback than years prior You know I think he's. He's been the reason he's been the foundation for the cowboys. which hasn't always been the case I will I? I'm always curious in any time. I get a chance to talk to a Bright Eagles like you. I don't think there's any denying Carson has been dealt. Perhaps the most difficult hand that any individual quarterback back ever face from a psychic standpoint. I mean how much. How much do you attribute and I want to say you know poor performance but for lack of a better term the poor performance since to that because I mean I think that people don't properly qualify what he's gone through because if the same situation that he experienced happened you know with call it the cardinals? I mean it's nowhere near as impactful because this is a very rabid passionate franchise to have to watch that I just. I mean it would be leave very difficult now. The Nick foles thing totally has has rented room in his head. There's no doubt about it and I think he's put way too much pressure on himself over the over the last couple a couple of years trying to you know I think he felt like that. That was his super bowl in two thousand seventeen that that was his chance. And it got it got taken away from him him and The the city and his a lot of his teammates fell in love with Nick. Foles I will tell you that this year I mean I think much of the Orlando scandic interview. Then came down in the middle of the season was a lot of hot garbage but I do think there are many many players in that locker room that preferred playing with Nick foles. Nick foles off. The field had a special special way about him he he. He did get his teammates to to love him and he performed what seemed to be some miracles and two thousand seventeen in two thousand eighteen. But that's why when when Chris long put up a he put up like the Little Shrine Abbott candles and everything. Yeah Yeah I and I just I hated that and I thought that that was something like if I'm Carson Jason Wins. How am I taking that what I mean like that would? That's a clear sign that these guys prefer Nick Foles to me. So I'm that's in my head. That is absolutely early in my head and I think deal trying to overcome the injuries trying to to win your Super Bowl I think Carson Wentz came into last year and this year thinking I have got to win a super out and that's the and that was the only thing on his mind rather than just taking it one game at a time one time going out there and having fun I think these last two weeks are the first two weeks I've seen since two thousand seventeen where Carson Wentz has looked like. He's having fun on the football field and I think that's a huge. You just thing I think you hit the nail on the head Rj. I think that's absolutely been a big factor in why Carson Wentz has been up and down no it makes sense it makes sense the carson wherever to find himself in her bow. The goes you know he would. It would make sense to want to win it by more points than Nick foles. One human nature I'm curious hypothetical and if you'll humor me in you know I can say with fuller Earnest honesty. I hope this is the case. I hope you experience much happiness enjoyed but if Carson Carson wentz would never want super bowl call it say as a fifteen year career And so obviously that would be another drought for the eagles. But would you look back in in a very weird and twisted way and I think the overwhelming answer here is no but would you look back and say I almost wish that the eagles had not want super bowl fifty two so so that that element it wouldn't have existed so the Carson would have never had that mental block because maybe then on his own merits Carson could've want to Carson won three. I mean what would you ever at least have that. I thought I don't think so. But the multi verse would be an interesting way to think about it because yeah maybe Nick foles with Carson. Wentz doesn't get hurt and they spend they fall short in two thousand seventeen If he does get hurt and Nick foles just can't do it. You know what I mean like it. The way she's not the same right exactly and so now you're not he doesn't have the the ghost of Nicole's the Nicole Statue Looking at him every time he takes the field. That's an it's an interesting. I thought I think you know the injuries. The Eagles have suffered these last couple of years probably keeps them from winning Super Bowl anyway so I think I would rather just take that one. Put it in the bag. It was an amazing memory. And you know we'll always have that. So yeah I think I would rather just bank that and if Carson Wentz goes the next fifteen years or whatever it is without a super bowl then so be it but Yeah I don't I don't think I would trade it but it's an interesting it's an interesting Thought Exercise I know and and I I do wonder what Carson Wentz would have been like I mean I don't know if his two thousand eighteen would have been any different than it was because of the injury went on and and In two thousand nineteen you know again. The injuries to his supporting cast probably keeps him from from winning a super bowl this year. And I don't know that the pressure would be a whole lot less on him from the fan base right and I imagine you know the twenty eight season didn't help you know. And and maybe that's part of the issue this season. I know the Eagles win the Super Bowl but just I mean on some again I mean Carson can say what he wants and I'm not trying to outright call him a liar but on some level you've just gotTa have this. Are you freaking kidding. Me Thought you know like Oh for sure and so you know because all and that's why maybe that's an easier year to say. I wish the eagles had just lost out. When Carson got hurt in two thousand eighteen because all that did was just exacerbate the whatever? The problem is that we've discussed and defined. Yeah I think that's a really good point. I think the two thousand eighteen season was the season in where people thought. Maybe Nick foles really. Is You know. Maybe he really. Maybe he really is magic. I think that's the one because it was like okay. Seventeen Gene Wasn't a fluke. Maybe Nick foles really should be our guy and I'll I'll bet you that that got implanted in some eagles players in the and if you'll allow me sorry I find on this topic fascinating. I do think that that Nick foles getting hurt. This season in a weird way adds to that because if nick foles had been the Jaguars quarterback for all fourteen games at this point and they were two and twelve. You know if you're eagles player. You're like okay. Well you know clearly nick is not the guy you know that we we had a fun ride together. Whatever but he's obviously not this dude? But you know Nick foles has this sort of. He's struggled certainly times Jackson but he has this kind of well. You know if if nick was here or if it had this you know you can still Kinda you know subscribed to that legend and so I feel for Carson. I've I've long acquainted Have you seen the movie Pro Harbor by chance. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He is He is Ben Affleck at the end. When Josh Hartnett character has died and Ben Dan Affleck is then with? Live Tyler. Josh Retinas Child. That's who who. That's a great comparison and I think and and you know we can. We can kind on a of end on this. But I I think one of the The great things about these last two weeks. Maybe it's been a blessing in disguise Carson Wentz to lose all of his receivers to to to Hash on war with Greg Ward and Boston Scott and Josh Perkins and pull these last two games against bad opponents. There's no doubt about the fact they've played capone's the last two weeks but to be able to pull these two games out. It was very nick. FOLES IAN sure. That's the point I've been making these last couple of weeks. These are wins that Nick foles would have pulled old out in the same way that Nick foles would have pulled them on pulled them out and so maybe this is enough for his teammates to say you know what maybe Carson Wentz Ken do that you okay Carson Carson. Ken Save our season like Nick. Did Carson Ken work his own magic he is the guy to lead us moving forward and whereas if if Carson in his full complement and they were winning these games it'd be like well. Yeah you you're supposed to win healthy Sean Jackson and Alshon Jeffery but that was one of the good things. I think that have come from the eagles being hit with the injury bug so drastically here this season it's proven that Carson Wentz Ken. Ken Does have a little nick. Foles in yeah maybe not maybe not in the locker room but on on the field for sure. So it's it's definitely interesting so let's talk about this game here. Real quick. The cowboys coming is two and a half point favorites on the road. That make you nervous at all. I mean rubbing groping a road favorite given given the way the cowboys season has gone. I can't say I'm surprised because the cowboys on paper should win this football game on Sunday. But I I guess that that line is coming from their win against the rams last week so I guess. How much do you believe in last week's win over the rams making gene the cowboys a two and a half point favorites for some? You know it's interesting that you bring up lines in other cowboys opened as As three point favorites over the rams and you know people were are are pretty has done by that and thought the rams or you know what the time you know that seahawks game had been played but still I mean it was. It was very confusing. They've been favored in a majority any of their games. Because I think people do look at their ostrom people do think they have a lot of talent I think you know th this cowboys team. I was in the locker room last week and then there was nothing in but the typically after they win. There's a lot of you know. I don't want us to chest pounding but there's a lot of okay you know where the cowboys but there was nothing but release I mean I. I think that they felt the need to get a win. And they certainly got one and so being two and a half point favorites I think is the the proper amount of confidence that they need this. I don't another Ju can. This team is irresponsible. When you give them too much confidence too much power but I think this is just enough? This is okay. You can go to the movies with your friends but you gotta be home by ten o'clock you know. It's it's the right curfew for them to have all right. So let's make a prediction here on Sunday afternoon. AH COWBOYS COME INTO PHILADELPHIA. They've had the eagles number. They won last year in Philadelphia. They're coming off a big win against the rams. The Eagles obviously a kind of depleted on offense and defensively have had numerous struggles here over the last couple of weeks. How do you see this one shaken out RJ? Do you know I'm going to pick the cowboys to win and win handily. I think that that's you know. That's if if they win. It's going to be handing sort of when I think it's like thirty to seventeen seventeen in that regard and I think it's a game that they're sort of comfortable in the entire time. I don't see them winning close game because I think if things get closed in Harian Aryan precarious I think they fall. That's Kinda who they've been and so if they lose I do think it's a sort of nineteen seventy nine hundred sixteen sort of gain for them but I think they'll come on. I think they'll win. And the cowboys is you mentioned if they win this game Captured the NFC east and Will effectively be the four seat so I think that they may be kind of you. Know sort would have put themselves in this spot of okay. Let's go win this game. Let's get our hat in our T. shirt and then we can. We can take weeks. Seventeen offers some guys get right in then you know. TRY TO BE NICK foles. I mean so I I think they're gonNA win and I think it's GonNa be I think it's going to be overblown that they want because this is the NFC east But I think that they'll they'll alternately still part ways with Jason Gear but we'll have a fun couple of weeks and we'll all have a new show hadn't t shirt under a tree on Christmas morning I mistakenly the On a previous podcast there. That forty and slip I was talking about Jason Garrett excellently called him Jason Karen and I think I want that to stick. I'd like for that to be a thing moving forward so if if you WANNA help me in your own community with with that particular nickname I'd be. I'd be much obliged course. Listen folks make sure you are reading everything. Rj Jay Ocho is writing for blogging. The boys if you want to get a look inside the enemy camp and See what they're talking about over at the cowboys espionage in sight make sure you check his stuff out there are make sure you give him a follow on twitter at RJ RJ. Thanks for coming on I on the enemy man I appreciate it. Thank you very much Wish you and all your readers and listeners. Very happy holidays. Merry Christmas and happy New Year nothing but love and joy and blessings for you guys except for. I hope. You're a little bit bummed on Sunday the week after next week but other than that you know Lovejoy lovejoy in good times for all of you all right so. Rj gave you his thoughts on how he sees things going on Sunday afternoon. Let me give you my thoughts on how this thing's GonNa play out on Sunday. And I wish I had a real strong feel for this game one way or the other because my mind is telling me to take the Dallas cowboys. The the cowboys have more talent on paper their win against the Rams Rams on Sunday afternoon was incredibly impressive. That's the cowboys team. We all thought we were GONNA see this year. That's the cowboys team. We really should have been seeing weekend and week out and you wonder why. Why haven't you seen that cowboys team? More often this season because they have the talent they have the players they have the tools to be one of the better teams in the NFC FC and yet for for many weeks they. They've been lousy and the eagles have excuses for being lousy. They've they've been hit by the injury bug. Gone offense defensively. They don't have they don't have great personnel and that is the big worry for me. I'm not as concerned about the eagles offense going up against the cowboys defense. Although that will it'll be a challenge. The th the prospect of Dak Prescott Amari Cooper and Ezekiel Elliott against this defense. Terrifies me given how the eagles have given up points to the giants and to Washington over the last couple of weeks teams without a whole lot of talent. The cowboys have way more talent offensively than those two teams. The Eagles have never been able to stop Ezekiel Elliot. He runs all over them. The Eagles tackling has been terrible. This season they if they could just wrap guys up. They would solve a lot of these problems. But they they're they're terrible tackling. They have not been able to get to the quarterback and this is where I mentioned this briefly with R. J.. This is where the eagles are are. I think is the most important match up of the game. How can the eagles? Let's get pressure with their four man front on Dak Prescott. Because here's the problem. That Prescott does well against the blitz so if you bring extra attackers he's GonNa find the open man and he's GonNa find his hot read and this team cannot play press coverage. They cannot play man-to-man coverage they will get beat. Deep by Amari cooper arm or Michael Gallup they will they will get beat if they play man to man if they if they blitz a lot. We've seen it happen week after week after week. So Jim Schwartz has to play zone. He has to to play. He asked to play soft cover to cover three and if he does that. You're depending on your defensive line to win their reps against a talented cowboys offensive line and I think the eagles are going to have Derek Burnett back on Sunday which will help but Derek Barnett and Brandon. Graham and Fletcher Cox have not been winning being the one on one battles for most of the season and when they have the quarterback been getting the ball out too quickly for them to be able to get there because they play in soft zone. So I don't know how they get pressure on Prescott probably bring the occasional blitz and maybe one or two of them get home and you sack Prescott and maybe you can force assim into a fumble or a turnover because Dak will turn the ball over and we know. The Eagles have struggled getting turnovers. They has Michael Kissed. Likes to say have of Butts for hands when there are interception opportunities there. The Eagles will find a way to to use their fists to smash the ball into the ground. Whether that rather than haul it in or or they'll they'll be unable to win those fifty fifty battles as we saw against the dolphins over and over again. So that's my nightmare. Is this cowboys offense doing exactly what. Rj said putting up thirty points. On this defense I can see it happening in my mind. That being said I think the eagles have a huge advantage here on the coaching side. Doug Peterson his work. These last last couple of weeks finding a way for the eagles offense to score points has been nothing short of miraculous. What the Eagles have gotten from Greg Ward Mile Sanders? Boston Scott have been nothing short of miraculous accuracy and I think Carson wentz is on a real roll right now. He's got to protect the ball. He's gotta be. He's gotTa have better pocket awareness but I think the eagles will manage to score points on the cowboys. I think the eagles will keep this close and frankly the cowboys last couple of wins against the cup wins against the Eagles especially the two games in Dallas the the cowboys have benefited from Early Eagles. Turnovers early mistakes going their way The benefit of the benefit of calls by the referees in early early in Games has gone their way to that kind of stuff is not sustainable over the long term. I don't think the eagles are GONNA be a turnover machine early in this game if they are if they give if they turn the ball over early. They're they're not GONNA win. They've got no chance because the cowboys will convert but I think my head is telling me to take the cowboys. I can't do it. I'm going to take the eagles. My heart is is leading me down this path. I think it is a close game. I think the eagles ended up pulling this thing out. Twenty seven twenty four late field goal by. Jake Elliott manages. I just put the eagles over the top. I don't feel confident at all in that. Pick but I just don't have the heart to pick the cowboys here so I will take the birds to beat the cowboys in this. This playoff type game for them here in week sixteen and then of course. The Eagles need to finish things up by beating the New York giants in week. Seventeen but we'll jump off that bridge if we get get to it. Can I if the cowboys win. The Eagles season is essentially over. That'll do it for this edition of eye on the enemy. My thanks to our GEO from blogging. 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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 143 Billy Carson

The Conspiracy Farm

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The Conspiracy Farm Ep. 143 Billy Carson

"Live your life boy. Ladies and Gentlemen Welcome to the conspiracy. Faw where we? Don't start to conspiracies. We just had the water in now. Your health of the most state of the art in four cast on the inter-web I present to you. Ladies and gentlemen rear naked. Choke Cocker Spaniel. Brian and brings a neighborhood of conspiracy farm. Go check it out alright. Lis Gentlemen off to the races yet again. For another one for the archives really stoked for this one man always joined with my homeboy partner in crime. Ufc Hall of Famer Pat militants. What's up? Hey I am excited to speak to billy again. This is going to be exciting Considering some of the new revelations that the United States government has released refund. Be Fun to hear about this and also you know current affairs that are going on and Tien may be a little bit of Huxley on Me Scientific Dictatorship. I'm sure Billy's pre educated on that well it's going to be interesting in again. He is joining a seat. I mean look I wanNA be Billy Carson. When I grow up ladies and gentlemen the man has no difficulty keeping himself. Busy is falling apart. I don't even know a few months ago. Bill you're almost literally living in an airport or on a freaking plane dismounting. All over the world. He is an author. A researcher author of compendium of the Emerald Tablet His new venture Forbidden Knowledge that TV. That's forbidden with a four. We're going to get into a billy. What's up how you doing? Hey Man I'm glad back stationary locked down. But I'm still busy like you said it man. I'm just happy to desperate to me and didn't come back on your show. Yeah without a doubt I mean you guys I mean this subject. As we've mentioned many times I mean we we get easily mired down by the the right left and more the for lack of a better term terrestrial subjects you. I mean you were one of my favorite guesses favorite subject Matthew Lacroix. Clearly you may WanNa just I mean just mind blowing stuff you guys do. You guys just did a video not too long ago with the two of your mic. Oh my God this is a tag team chance to break it off those just really sweet to see man again so you know obviously let us know what you've been doing. You Got Forbidden Knowledge Dot TV coming or going down right. Now you've been working with dame dash former Al half as with Jay Z. Rafael records which have been up to a man so much stuff as the list is downstream and around the corner I'll start with forbidden knowledge. Tv Forbidden Knowledge Dot. Tv launched about eight weeks ago now in my own streaming TV network kind of like No other streaming netflix and Amazon prime video except all my content is conscious content. So it's content in your heavily curated content. A lot of it's probably sixty percent of the content of their right now are workshops. Lectures Egypt's and mystery schoolteaching entertaining. Teaching technology talks like that This hours and hours and hours of that and then there's a lot of great speakers from Other well re well renowned well known speakers from all around the globe every everybody from not in urban to Oh my God. The delicious people really off the charts But we we have so many speakers and it's just it's one of the things when you get into just start going from video and you find yourself binging without even knowing you're busy you know Yusuf I. It's just incredible man so pretty excited about it and we already moving fast. A lot of great subs. I'm offering up. I gave away. A free Macintosh are ready to one. I went Sunday on the handout. But the people who registered by midnight last night next week. I'm giving away another I MAC. Computer brand new to the subscriber so which trying to find your back everybody. Yeah absolutely when I knew it. All the time your Contact the desert series. I've been kind of checking that out. You definitely all around speaking. You know spreading that word fastening and then your your work with Dane. Well how did that come about Dame Dash? Yeah you know He was following my account. And I I didn't even know they said Hey. Maintain ashes followed your account and I was like really. Wow so I went to his account was follow neon back and then I sent a direct message. You know. It's tough dealing with some content force network contracting gives number. I called him and he said well. You know one of my network will do because I said well hop on a plane tomorrow for the plane and finessing was at his house and set for this topic Beverly Hills nine of In you know we worked at out and started filming episodes. I think he's got about twenty episodes of conscience upon Dame Dash Studios Right now Which is great great. Well entity content Just very professional rates facility rate studio. Great workers man put work and He's the one big thing history network as well for now so what was was did he have any kind of frame of reference for anything. You're laying on him. Contaminate your person you do drops their mind blowing stuff. So did he have any kind of relative knowledge of any of this stuff. You were laying on him. He has a general in a knowledge of how law attracts works out to events such reality the fact he he does feel which in my friends true that we're all of the divine nature. The Creator is in a so. We should deal with the create realities. Those things are a lot of other stuff that I break. Just close fine just barely you know he just. He loves them you know. It's not the norm. He doesn't go with the norm. So it's something totally out of the norm and it really really loves and he's been very gracious to advance and I felt a lot of knowledge from for them on the entertainment and Choi Soaked up on the Terek size frequent balance. Yeah symbiotic relationship because honestly I mean we all wonder me the tough you talk Steffi talk about. It's where did we come from? Who Are we? What is the nature of our reality etc? So I mean that's I think anybody Kinda resonates when they hear you speak on. It's like wow I mean even the most hardcore religious person because a lot of your research and evidence you have whether it's the new militia. This stuff precedes modern day religion. And it's it's really really tough to ignore yet. It really is in the way that I try to. I try to tack fullest possible without insulting or may be. We'll be ready but given them enough information for them to scratch your head scarf. Maybe I need to look at the others who already had the general concept of what I'm saying and teaching. They couldn't recruiting really. Wrap it up tight and make it a very simple understanding. Very simple statement. Theon would after the urban talk while the peace process he gets up the internal confirmation of what they already understand mine and that makes them feel good. That's a great way to put it to 'cause I think a lot of us do have that I mean because again on my opinion I think yours is well the essence. We are of the source. You know what I mean so it's just more. I think the I think of Jim Morrison said we're looking for something that's already found us here at kind of us kind of uncovering it let me get in getting into this and again. I'm so glad to have you on mostly because we're about to ask you but all of this stuff is fascinating. I've been suffering from it. I'm sure the champs been suffering from it. We are like in lockdown. I mean this is. This is extremely extremely stressful for a lot of people use the domestic violence as rising suicide. Rising people meeting their animal's talk to me. I mean this is going to stay. Extend to a lot of our conversation. How big of a role our mind in our mindset has to do with how we react to this and how it impacts reality around us. 'cause we talk about all the time billy they use the social engineers constantly use this fear conditioning with us and then it just takes over our lives man and so if you don't mind talk to me about that and what that does to to not only our physical bodies but reality is around is marinating and fear the way they have is doing. Oh you're absolutely so. They've done a phenomenal job over any now. You know the mainstream tapes competency. They've really affect this now. How to get the fear pumping in human beings for eons and now with the invention reinvention of modern technology like radio. Tv and Internet these mainstream outlets themselves like you know the overseas the mainstream content say. They'll delete it. They have done a phenomenal job. Continuously puffing fear. I remember what the death toll is going to be two hundred thousand by. May and all these crazy numbers you know and all these false positives done a really good job. So what happens is because they got you at flight fright at all times up to buy a lot of cortisol. First of all which is caused new Have an adverse effect on your actual fifty. Algae is GonNa make you gain weight around the belly. It's going to bring your up was up. Which is going to cause you to your immune system which is going to allow you to get another problem with this whole thing because people are so fearful on your subtropical fear there is susceptible not only get sick but also Himself sick right actually literally can make yourself physically ill with no viruses bacteria would know interventions outside whatsoever all internal list of scientific. Right it really. I don't mean to interrupt your audio's kind of going in and out you'll be clear for fade. But I don't know if you're on a cell phone using skype no yeah yeah it is. It is actually okay. I just want to make sure your spot here. Yeah that's great are graphs. They rightly so so basically. What happens is if pumping? They've got you believing that could potentially switch you. Can we know this already? It's all about mindsets health to fears pumping so hard you completely. Y'All going almost schizophrenic. Over this thing you can literally make yourself sick. You could physically without any external sources to downside coming in internally you can create a sickness in your own body with the mind and this happens all the time so The really crazy that your frequency the fritzy the frequency of your body drops and when it drops you have less accidents or less power access to the law of attraction now the ability to manifest the ability to reprogram your DNA. They're really did have a positive mindset of positive outlook. On all those things start to degrade disappear once you operating fear. They know that when you're in fear that's what happens so they keep up your non-stop non-stop stops so they all you could worry. Worry worry allow them to whenever they say that's literally what they shake well not just this covert nineteen but so many other things. Yes and I'm not saying Cova. Nineteen has accused about my own daughter. Had it it's a real thing that does exist first of all but the amount of fear they've pumped around it versus other things that I think are actually more deadly than and we say it all the time they've kind of piggy back a whole bunch of stuff of you know almost dog trained. You gotTa wear a mask you gotta you know these kind of different mechanisms to control it society and you know not alone not the collapse of the economy. The decimation of the middle class like you know this global shutdown and I mean that's kind of dominated it now it's over I mean it's it's rich and poor. There's no in between. Yeah I mean and it was overnight. It was like almost literally within a month. They completely turn society upside down. That's right and if they prove now we can even once the proof that you could turn sports off. You've now completely completed your mission. No yeah when the circus goes down and you know. And they're fighting for the bread said in. It's it's it's it's it's in that is that is very true. I mean going back to whoever built the coliseum. I think it was. One of the whole point was to distract the masses and now they're taking that away from US and now we're not even distracted. We're just I mean I don't even know just in that in that limbic fight or flight like you said honestly that's another fascinating aspect of kind of the mental. Ism if you will and I know you call it that or that's where it's called because Doctor Dr Bruce Lipton his book the biology of belief your thought process dictate your biology as for and that's just not even that's not even new wage business. That is straight science. That's right and straight real science not Mississippi not no conspiracy. And that's why won't these kinds of things happen? The first thing you need to do is why do I'll tell you. What are going to a meditation right away. So as soon as I heard about this covert nineteen in the I. I moved to corona virus when I heard about heard about long China. These like too much. I didn't really think anything of it. I'm in Australia out in the Bush at this time. By the time I get back to the states it becomes the issue and I'm like wow so the first thing I did was instead of going into panic mode. I set myself down and I went to meditation for about thirty minutes just to clear my mind clear. By by Amtra he'll give some cosmic energy coming into my consciousness and then regroup myself and now go into logical problem solving mode when you're operating from ocean now you can. You'RE GONNA make mistakes. Motion will allow you to make crazy states. You operate biological state of mind sets it calculated decisions to your own benefit so as the mode that I like to go into. I said this is just getting ready to pop off so I think groceries probably going to be scarce so I went on Amazon dot com or too much food online. This is before Amazon was going crazy. Nobody gets delivery right right two months while the food shorter but miles. Wjr there okay. I got that done the following week. People relaxed I waited in line three hours to get this food. You know. Look at two months food already. I already had made all the other rangers that I needed to make to be able to re set the way down operating off from the house. I built my green screen studio. I got everything up and running and ready to go to have my extra. Mike's got all my trust us. Our contract to instructed on what to do next. I got my extra ammo for my gun. I got all my stuff man. You know second. I just sat back and watched you know. So it's about logic logic clarinet regrouping and being other make logical decisions. Think ahead of the game beyond top it away. Don't a lot of ways to crash over and that's a very good point man and not even just about this. People are so reactive about everything as opposed to being proactive. And I think that's a huge component in again like you said you know your mindset in your overall energy in your vibe in your environment you create that jump on. That was important. Yeah no I appreciate it. That was that was important because I had that question of you know because a lot of this stress can come from basically understand what's going on adding known what was going on before it happened You know a for instance you know anybody like ourselves that was following global bank stocks. Knew that this was coming. They were paying attention. You know I told people not to invest in the stock market because the collapse was going to happen this spring right now I now and so there is some stress there. When you know stuff's coming and for five years you know Japan. I've had this show and talked about. It keeps coming true Bro. I WANNA be right anymore. So that's the thing that's the thing that causes. Hey listen man this is like the Jeff says look. This is test time now. The studying is over with it's test. Time in America's better wake up and so it's just luck man. I'm tired of telling you guys what's Goblin and you're not listening. You know what I mean even. Break it down to a more simple analogy. Someone like Billy's flying down the street and his jeep. Hey we'll stop the bridges out. You know what I mean. Don't go the bridges outgrown your like yourself and you go you go off the bridge. That's not there that almost how we feel sometimes. It is exhausting bro and again I try to balance that you can't save everybody. Everyone's got their own lane is GONNA think they. WanNa think you know. You can't assume you're going to change everybody's mind but you want people to be safe and you want them to see what's going on but you know not everybody will not everybody will. I mean look back in November of two thousand nineteen or Mark Forbidden Knowledge facebook account and my forbidden instagram story. I posted that Ray Dalia when article that got I think we're seeing news Ray Dolly O. The author Hedge Fund operator Durant's up one hundred sixty billion dollar hedge fund and He put a one point. Five billion dollars put in options which means he bit that market crash for March of Twenty Twenty reported on November. The nobody saw that I saw yes. People were doing a long distance up. Okay whatever and ride around 'cause actions almost every day right around the middle of February. I said this is getting wild. I backed out. I said I need to stick to set back and then I went to Australia and when I got back right. Don't time then white when this guy said it was going to go down about a hundred billion dollars off for that took so wouldn't it? I mean just I mean. We'll see because we know this was planned to some degree Bill Gates during this event. Twenty twenty we got Feinstein and other Congress. People selling stocks. Those did he was. He hinted that far ahead of time. Well when you run a hedge fund that large all the elites are one hundred fifty billion dollar. You only put one. He only put one percent of the market one quite fast but the big boys so we have Tim Foschi. You specifically corona virus. But he knew that March twenty twenty that something according to properly who his inner circle that something was going to crash global markets and he could have one point five hundred dollars put in the whole world. Went crazy when he did that. Because what you know that we don't know but what was this clandestine Wisconsin because that's only crashed markets. Yeah without a doubt. Well I just served as I've said before it just served as a camouflage jacket over the biggest economic collapse in robbery of the middle class in world history. Absolutely no doubt. Yeah this is really a doubt you know you have to have the acid. Australia's exactly what's it's a roll over to the it's GonNa be really basic but discuss about create some new on Unrealized SOUP ENTREPRENEURS WELD. Siegried aren't with different opportunities that you can. We've Wade through in this situation yet. You know what's what's alarming on a on a financial side also is the massive amount of energy. You know like like like the West Texas oilfields that China just bought up they own the Chicago Stock Exchange. The Chong Chonkin Casson Enterprise Group from my research says that they own own the Chicago Stock Exchange the Dalian Wanda Group owns the AMC and calm like cinemas. They they own movie studios in this in this country. They tried to buy paramount. Viacom rejected that luckily smithfield foods which is one of the largest food processing companies. That owns two thousand. American farm is owned by a Chinese corporation. You know you can go on and on down the list and it's it's terrifying. They run the Panama Canal. If I remember correctly could be wrong. They owned most of the Bahamas fail most of Miami. They own a lot of these areas. Now and they've also found out something they take. They took a page. It'll be off trial book and Rockefeller Book. You can just print money so they just start printing money back and interest rates to the government's pay back but when you can't you know when you can't fit what just take over. Part of your government will put a military base. We'll take some of your land. And so they just gone around the planet really masked mining taking over the world and very covert way overt but covert. Yeah no doubt the one about one road. That's the you know. The railroad the road route the maritime route. They did that same thing with Sri Lanka. I think it was a lot of money. You can't pay all right. What is going to build a base here which is a key part of that. I think they call it a string of pearls down there you know South China Sea etc. But yeah me as a part of this and you know. I let me get your thoughts on this. But we say on the show a lot and I'd say I mean this is all freaking wwe. We had a former bear stearns guy on the other day. He was like Y- publicly. Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Alfonse D'Amato they hate each other when they went at each other and I went into some private club or whatever. They're hugging talking hanging out like dude. It's all a showman until I honestly believe that even now as we all argue about right laughed into China do it like this war against China for me I think everything is so economically interdependent anymore. I leave behind the scenes. Everybody's kind of working together to some degree. What do you think about some kind of some kind of very strange Qu practice or Took a very strange. Tug awarded orchestrated and practice. Lord you talk this way a little bit. Okay we're GONNA pull back this way a little bit. Okay now you go youthful yet. We're GONNA talk back. It's just where the dance that's going on The kind of reminds Cold War America. I remember half school in one thousand nine hundred seventy s underneath the desk because we've got a practice for Covered dies if just boggles off. Get under the desk doing. And but but come to find help Russia. In America the best funds suppressed the France sharing and scientists sharing in space exploration won't whatsoever all posturing trillions of dollars in rent star stripped. Yes if you can try to find the sweet spot in there because we're losing a little bit we're just because they're here you okay. I'm in the same spot. Well so that's that's what happened man and I thank you fast forward to what we have. Now it's just the same story you know it's painted book your You know they find a way in eight that You know they're Harvard. I think it was the first relief minute there. Harvard University who got busted by the feds in the CIA four creating this Nanno box viral technology. Which was Dan Taken out of there by two espionage agents from China were posing students and he was doing that for a fact like fifty. Grand Suites in on stuff made it back to Wuhan so this is all correlated. This is all playing. This is all orchestrated in a way where he comes over here. Goes over to behind money you know. They're playing both sides of the fence. Yes always that's always how we're I mean going back decades. I think this has been planned. Not just the supposed planned DEMOC but the economic reset and I WANNA get your thoughts on that man. Because like I said it's social political economic and a large part of what I see. I see China being debated Beta test in like Pat alluded to in the beginning man. We got the navy coming out with their old footage about you know supposed. Ufo's we literally have this train of lights in the sky that it's not even like hypothetical or conspiracy. We all see it now and I think this is a part of this new five G. Internet of things smart grid etc with again China being the Beta test. They'll get rid of cash. You know. Yeah you can go to a UFC fight. You can go to a basketball game but you gotta have this band or something. You gotTa have something. Some kind of mark that shows you've been vaccinated and if you don't get it like China your social credit score drops and you can't travel on mass transit etc. What are you talk? What do you think about this literally this next evolution the Space Agency Smart Grid etc? Yeah that's exactly what I want to go. You know. Tesla's launching. I think two thousand satellites agreed this. This Wifi great around the planet. But it can be used for multiple not just given out free Wifi be able to track every single human being on entire planet It'll be able to tap into other devices near the ground near where you may be to scan for body temperatures in bio readings and everything else faces and everything face recognition and. I really do think that they're moving towards the way where you've got to have this barcode or this to our code. That says you're free of viruses. You gotta go get so many tests a year probably potentially To to show that you're you're okay and then date gives you access to the. It gives you access to first class light sick. You know in any of those things like that so I think that's probably what the whole thing behind us it could be boy towards now. I'M NOT SAYING FOR SURE. But if you think like it's the technocracy. They've been planning on since the thirties and the forties and the fifties and that's another part of this and you. You mentioned this. I really want to get your thoughts on this because I find it fascinating. I think you know the eugenicist. The rockefellers etc. I started out with you Jensen. It didn't quite work so they kind of morphed it into chew climate change all of these ways to kind of demonize human beings while creating this technocracy and I think expedite that because that stop playing. Well they're they're using this covert thing to also changed the game going on on climate change. And I don't really necessarily want to get into necessarily the veracity of the studies but we talked about it many times on the show and bringing up. Why don't people talk about the role of the son in this? And if you don't mind talk about you broke it down so you break it down so great the not just the role the sons playing with us but throughout the solar system. You know it's really interesting This whole global warming thing. I've been analyzing since the very beginning and initially I started saying well. This is pretty interesting so I said let me start researching this global warming and finding out more about it as part of a natural cycle or not and I came across incredible ice core research and this is core research show. Ads came across several Really High Quality Well presentations about ice core research until I came across one. That was done by Greg Which to me was the best of the Best Greg? Bread from episode of missing links and Dice core research was all done by real scientists. Geologists it gives you the rise and fall of temperatures global warming over thousands and thousands of years. And you do you could by looking at this ice core research you can predict the future of this planet Geologically are and right now. We're in sacks spotless. Global warming period Zaki. Were supposed to be and were not as previous global warming period. Now you tie that into their massive has done extensive research so satellites on the sun the solar maximum minimums and the fact that they kind of correlate This rear tenths of maximum correlates with this orbit of an additional star in our solar system called Brown Dwarf Star. This Brown Dwarf Star was discovered years ago. It's orbiting just outside the order to put out in the inner ordinary not the Outer Outer Orkla. What the outside of our solar system is on the Internet cloud area which means it's part of our solar system and it has plans or if and it orbits our son Now Lane Street to Richard Sites. This anybody can look this up. So a binary solar system one giant Yellow Star and the other star White Star Really Looks Yellow Perspective on earth at times but Then also you have the brown door which is a a failed star in the mall of Owner to yourself did quite make it so but it has saint reputational bass so now you have. These repetitions waste emanating from this massive object. That's moving around our star and is sending these gravitational waves Through the Star software yellow lights on it is a weird solar maximum which which then increases the heat going out to sources and nothing does it actually creates waves. Emanating rippled through auto plants owns and that is civic type of friction agitates Adams and creates friction. Which generates heat might worksheet. Shake the atoms up in your food and boom automatic foods. Hot Heats up. Speaking same thing is happening with these roped in snow white which were discovered three years ago. Officially a minute today exist saw the graphics and away from the Brown Dwarf you have them also interact with our son created a very clear soult maximum events and then you have Gaudio ourselves but it's just a very small amount to contribute to what's happening with the global warming but ice cores told the whole story. We're not even his hot. It's been in the past before cars sauce. Fives at Florida. Cows at everything else the wretched volcanoes. I mean Jeez. Those guys spit out those things. That are way more season of big thing within that I mean just more kind of mind blowing stuff you also sending video checking out that this solar system was not originally part of the Milky Way Galaxy. The one we're in wasn't how did that work out? I mean I was. Yeah yeah so now this or Peer Review Real Science. That could be looked up. It's actually B. T. colleges the fact that our solar system is called originated from somewhere else. It's called the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy Not Sagittarius Constellation. Don't get to not to get games. Yeah Yeah it's the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy now our galaxy that we originate from secretary. It's still in the process of merging with the Milky Way Galaxy as we speak as a process that takes millions of years and right now. The Milky Way's gobbling up. The Secretary Dwarf right at the pinpoint where the two galaxies into connect at one of them is our solar system is setting and scientists now conclude based off of bottling computer that we were put here or off our our souls profit to this galaxy in the milky doing the process of this merger between the Secretary of Dwarf and the Milky Way and then eventually and if you bring years the march with the and drama galaxy and it'll be the milk dominant galaxy so this is a part of the national process of science and Astrophysics You know we're not even from an actress. We actually are aliens to the Reykdal. It's a trip man. We'll role in all this and we've heard these new discoveries. I remember when I first started. I think it was the Twelfth Planet. Maybe Zachariah citizens book and they talk about this whatever planet they call it new be replanted. Accident comes in this three thirty six hundred year interval we NASA said it were. There is a huge planet out there. Whatever you WANNA call it planet X. Talk to me about your thoughts on that. Is that something? That's in that elliptical orbit. That will return soon. Is it just out? I mean what are your thoughts on this planet act? It's a real thing was basically now what they're saying is orbiting this. Brown Dwarf Star. So if you go back to my earliest work realize that I kept telling people that planet X is not a free floating broke planet. It orbits a Brown Dwarf. It's actually very first. Coast Apprentice Abid. Sell basically is proud to offer you to court. It's too I looked on worldwide telescope dot org and I put the satellite into to mass infrared monitored. I could see very very faint objects because your brand over to make it. I have to go to mass infrared MoD. Look for heat and that's why I picked it up outside the concentration of Pluto facing Recall that Off The constellation of Leo. And it's right there exactly. They're not moving. This is the same brown off now. Astrophysicists and astronomers say is orbiting our son but instead of thirty years they're saying that it orbits every forty two hundred years according to want that came on Fox News of budget stuff so past forty two hundred thirty hundred. Forty two hundred. This is the object asked planets orbiting it potentially bureau to our planet which is mentioned humilation. The seven times in this. This many solar system has been captured. Gravitationally by our solar system is an innocent is interlocked orbit. Now which other. So it's a real thing. It's a real planet. Orbiting is proud. Look people that have come from there to here mine. Melania Patrick anything from a Man. I still got some questions here. No by all means keep listening mode. That's always visibility. Look the last time. Billy came on. I just sat and listened. I'm not learning talking with billy. Honestly man that's why I love having you on like Matthew like the more the more questions get answered. I just have more questions man. Because it's like it's never this like oh I got it now but as we move forward man as you as you talked about mental ism in the biology of belief in our mindset kind of controls our body in reality etc. How do I question this? It's You had a great phrase and tell me explain this phrase and how we could learn from this because I think we are so polarized and divided and we were even saying before? This toll thing started leading up to the two thousand twenty election. They've got is divided in so many different groups racial religion politics at Cetera. It was just a powder keg and now with this they just laid a whole nother layer and a group to be divided on this bullshit. Is this real? Are they lying to us about the numbers? And kind of a long way around to ask this question the the phrase or the term. I'm probably massacring this inland Allah Kin. I am another you. Talk to me about that. How we can learn from that man. Because we're so freaking polarized like Eckhart Ole said Man. We get to divided into caught up in our life situation and our life is. We are infinite conscious awareness but we allow these different life situations to divide us. Talk to me how we can learn from that phrase. Bro Gets a massive phrase. The phrase in our ten is very ancient Mayan saying and it means I am another you and what it really means is if everybody understood the power in that once the person that you talk to like. You're talking to me right now but interviewing me but you really really interviewing your self conscious good. One main source of controversy exists would just aspects of that same consciousness and the reason because once I realized that now have to respect now after. Treat you with love because how I treat you was how treating myself see right. So how you treat. Somebody is way is what are you treating yourself because that person is another aspect or another part of you that you may not realize it but you understand how energy works. Then you begin to allow piece on different frequency and so once you've seen and exercise uncle others being of service to others and respect towards other than this changed it now. The cocktail which are more collapsed. All Democrat on Republican. There is no such thing as does our these oligarchs that torture men worldwide period. Nothing else. There's no black Hispanic and Asian and all this because the first trip your skin off and it's going to be nothing but revie bones credible way to put it man. Yeah this song. Got Cow Stand six feet apart. So let's say again. That's not to say like you're some kind of pacifist like you said you're exercising your second amendment if somebody comes to threaten you then you're Kinda done crossed the line from being my brother because it's either me or you and it ain't GonNa be me the people cottage fixing to happen. You Got You. Try to predict something understand. Even though he'll be buys last again asking good we all young inside of us. Everybody has everybody as back inside of every single one of us. Not One person is is can escape that right and so if a person up inside wisdom to attack this aspect of me. I have my own self preservation Wisdom that's GonNa lock case then. I need to send this person back into the carnation cycle. What it is. I've never heard it put that way. That'd be great if that was. That was like a Gangsta rap album reincarnations cycle son. Back back you gotta understand and you know you could separate a person's spirit from the Avatar body in a split second if you need to not. You don't have to do that so you're gonNA. I'll do everything I can to avoid but now come back out there. People go and have had a few crates talkers. Some have had to get a restraining order. Put against you know just because you know people I think this information it is so powerful and so strong a lot of people. Maybe a slight sanity or sits schizophrenia if pushes them over the edge and they don't know how to come back. We'll themselves back in. You know it's unfortunate. You know the mind won't I've tried to keep my curses to a minimum but the on the mind F can be significant. I mean when you again have been raised in a certain dogmatic very rigid fashion. I mean I say all the time on the show. That's why I like star wars now. We don't start training people to be after a certain age or you're in the Matrix we don't Wanna read pill somebody after. They're too old their mind just freaking explodes. I mean you you probably already answered this but as we. I think part of this recent. We've talked about it on. The show is not just a physical one necessarily. There's also a spiritual aspect to this but then you also have people in their physical world tired of this man. I mean whatever you WANNA call it tyranny. These guys are horrible with their models and then we don't get to make a living. You know what I mean. The the level of insanity of the reaction not matching the threat is affecting millions and millions of people middle class has gone businesses are gone so people are teasing all the time about civil war to civil war to from a physical standpoint. I part of me that gets that going to your level of talking about self preservation but I think this is a larger standpoint a spiritual war versus. What do you think about this being a spiritual war versus just a physical war? I think both are viable in the world. We live in. We gotta have self preservation but from a larger standpoint the best way to affect mass also is always do skirts concept because independent in spiritual war you. Basically effect is a war against energy you know. How can my energy overpower you're anti? Can I use a frequency that can cancel your frequency out because multiple frequencies canceled out? Then that's it would happen if you take the resonant frequency of white glass and projected against itself to wind glass explodes and breaks into pieces. The same thing happens to society. Same thing happens to all the citizens of the world when you get him in that That mind state of that frequency and they have mastered the frequencies of spirituality to adjusted path to control and often to destroy. So what's happening right now experiential or and what's what what they'll look to do is to You know I like these. Where FRAC allies people even more breakdown to other small small parcels? Some will rise up and still succeed and but the majority of them won't be until allowed himself to be put under control. Here's what we have to do is a massive people on the planet. That's the last I checked points. Seventy billion people on Earth Now. Seven point seven people and only one hundred families control everything we hear smell touch feel and can do right and even eat dead. That's got that's got to come to an end. So at some point we have to look back and ourself. Saint Neal just happy to ourselves. There's no way world that seven point five eight people to allow this to happen now. We got to go back to the checkout can't go back to brotherly love unconditional love to get this divide and conquer tricks. They're trying to give us an then. We've got to unite. What Scooby can't panic. You have to organize what we need to do. We need to stop participating in their system and we just precisely nothing going on out here but we all everybody like. I suggest people you praise. You'll never have happened now and where. I'm I'm breathing. You're breathing and people are struggling and hurt. Get Robert Saints out with making it through for weeks and weeks. We would organize something like this. Do this all at one. All on one accord we can collapse the system in one week. And that's what we've been saying man. The only reason this can go on is because we participate in it. That's it literally literally and again we've talked about you know civil war civil war to possible. I mean it's like I would rather change. I would rather change your mind than beat the shit out of you and or shoot you. You know what I mean because once your mindset change your behavior is going to follow that but again if you come a knocking on my door and talking about I need to see your kid and get this vaccine. We're about to help you out with the transition to the reincarnation you know what I mean right I hear you. But it's it's a delicate balance because like you said all of these you know when they have that fear mode. We're at our route shocker. Our lowest energy. We just like you said man deal with these things from the standpoint of power not reacting out of fear and I think again that it sounds overstated and eat pie easier said than done but I think that's so crucial because like you said man they got seven billion of us just just rocking us to sleep with whatever nonsense it. Is this your whether it's nine eleven Gulf of Tonkin. Whatever it is they they just rockets asleep with lies nonstop. And we keep you know when I was a kid and It was the With was at Jimmy Carter Ronald Reagan. Jimmy Carter bigger Jimmy Carter and Reagan at Nisi. Wash Jimmy Carter Danko often. He was a good guy and everything but I just noticed I was living in. I noticed ghetto got worse. I said just make sense to me so I said right away at this. Voting for preferences faded. It didn't work. I said that outlet my parents and everything next thing you know Ron Reagan goes in. I watch it again. I watch all the adults race to do this. Voting thing again and I looked to see what happened in four note for more years. Go by always up until the time when he got shot. I notice that that that He shot in the Groin at one time and then but I looked around. I said nothing changed not worse. So I knew that this whole voting thing and all this stuff was into crack cocaine the drugs and it was getting worse. The morning talked about it on TV. About not or Scott and I said this is ridiculous. Big Scam so now who? I am now many decades. These adults racing to these voting booths to fight over. Who they're gonNa you know what I do. I go to every four years to the voting box and I put my own name on the ballot and I. I submitted submitted present. Just aren't doing the last this last. You'll see the coach really cost cost less. Ram. And it's because I am my own president. Who's in this office? They're calling the White House. I don't care who is he. This legislation Congress Center. I don't take who's WHO's the police. Sheriff I don't care I don't know what I care about. I feel about how I create my reality. And because writing top of ways at the bottom of the great crash on the top of the wave and seeing everything is is coming. I'm able to wait at the experts can't and won't be able to do because I've got to the top of Wade is a Senate mindset and it's a mindset of this of complete disarmament and you writing cultural all too real time because we're not really in real time with our start disarmament levels really high close very close to real time. You Make split-second decisions in boobs. That people can't even see coming before they even comes and but I at the bottom at wages wait for the crash over their head. Yeah so they could react. It's too late by then. Yeah I'm sorry. I wish I wish you lived next door to me. Because you're so enlightened I wanNA be your bodyguard for free just to hang out with your man for real but I'm going to bounce around a little bit with the five g. The Internet of things. Everything about that coming up we had a guest on talking about five. G. And I was wondering how do I say this you know? As much as we try to route ourselves to source in elevate our consciousness and tap into whatever kind of energy that is do you think this internet of things these frequencies they're gonna hit us with is going to interfere with our ability to tap into that kind of source? I think that's what they're trying to do. So because it's so many of us so many of us on slightly they know they can't get everybody but The frequencies will definitely affect a massive amount of people and also in offspring. So they're trying to weave starting to become a little to be so ask for being bogged daughter. She's twenty nine hundred her first baby and Joan. You know all the things gonNA affect the generation a lot more than it's GonNa Affect the generation of center alive now. Panicking like crazy. But I think this kiss this frequency wars targeted more towards the next generation of generates astronaut trying to nip it in the book. Kind of like when you read though. Biblical in the Old Testament Allah Found thought death. The deceased character was born and he he went sent his arm. But IT STARTS PLAYING THE FIRST THORNS IN TOWN. And everything else you know. So it's one of those kinds of things like Go back in time. Their mindset eliminate the problem like the Terminator Movie You know. Yeah and that's where I've wanted to their. I mean as much as they want to get rid of some old heads to. I think the focus of their next because you know we do moment to moment stuff. They're playing chess. Not Checkers Twenty thirty years. So they're definitely looking at the next generations. So do you think I mean we've mean just crazy now. The navy announces whatever they announced. We're seeing lights in the sky. That aren't some random couple lights train of thirty. Two fifty to seventy lights is going across these guys. Clearly they're saying they're satellites and you know with the Space Agency. Do you think we're going to see some measure of real disclosure or some kind of soft disclosure or do you and do you think a plot project blue beam could be added into something like that to create the notion of whatever aliens or ships. You know that whole problem reaction solution. We've already said Space Agency which is another branch of the military. So it's like we there now but are they going to use this supposed threat to start some wars and space now is a couple of ways look at it one way or the first part is i. Don't think there's any from any outside alien race except for the grade who do abduct people under an agreed agreed. Act that they've been given ability. They've given to take a certain amount of people and I. I think they really do that. But they have us off the face of this planet a very very long time ago. Bay this this Breeding Program. Would there are various different rates civilians? An article look just like those look just like and I do believe that. We're being observed on a consistent basis especially more than ever right now as lights are lighting up all over the skies over the planet's. They are coming here. This ronin virus covert nineteen is a beacon. And how's it a beacon when you shut down a planet? Dan Formation about the travel throughout the entire the fact that this planet got shut down the way did that frequency that information gets out goes out spreads round just like gossip. They're all here observing because why because they're waiting to see I believed it to his sis- available to us but it's not gonna be give you don't give a baby assistance. Debate kit crawl. You're not teach US walking out the baby girl learn how to get opponents knees. I hold his neck up. That's the first thing rollover get up underneath flop down and escorts across the carpet. A few times eventually get up on these crumbs. Then get up on the edge of the township. Start trying to take a step or two now. When when you take steps to the I follow these beings To me are watching is again a reality. Show Psalm. The scientific level and they're an observance of to see. How are they accept point? Seven billion people are going to respond to this situation how they're going to respond to the rulers end. Aletha controlling them. Just WANNA SEE. They are going to take a step forward or get up and lean on the couch. They crawl yet can take two steps fall down on third step but their wedding. I grew up. A lot of people are preach this this alien rapture in we're GONNA be raptured away and we're GonNa all this. They're coming to help us in. Bail us out the only person that's coming here to save yourself tears. There's nobody coming to say there's nobody come and save us. We haven't now. If we were walking a little I would say you know what he got a chance. But when you create a a farm and you put the sand and yet you put the incident. You travel up Aplin if you walk away and go budget cutback chocolate five six take a class. That's about it you know so it we're we're we're walk steps before we can expect any assistance any races of people that are split standpoint. You don't you don't you're not gonNA just chopping start feeling people out and they can't even walk yet when when we take over his planning. Overthrow this one hundred families that's when we're going to make A name for ourselves. That's what makes be close to it so early soft. Yeah Yeah I forget who it was not meet you cock of the level civilization like we're still harnessing energy from from coal and stuff like you. We're not the level Serov type. Yeah there you go. What's that say. No the I was just gonNA pointing out. The mosque tweeted out yesterday. And this is very interesting because he said I am selling. Almost all physical possessions will own no house and I want to tweet back to him and say if I were you. I wouldn't want to own a house either when everybody figures out what Sky. And that's going to be used for and it all comes down to educating people you know that's the that's the thing you know you've reached a level of consciousness. You're very very intelligent. Just listening to you is amazing but for most people. They don't even know like I mentioned earlier. The you know the Chinese companies that own so much so much of America and Canada and other countries but at the same time we've got former politicians serving as agents for these for these Chinese corporations a speaker of the House. John John Bainer is one of them. You know. They're registered as foreign agents. Charles Bussan from Louisiana John Christianson from Nebraska. David Vice I from. He's been a career diplomat. His whole life adviser for the Clintons Mike Holtzman who was the guy that got the job. Done the transfer the technology for satellites over to China that gives them the ability to shoot down our satellites these guys and purdy from the Bush administration. So that's the thing people need to wake up to the the basic facts first and then be able to attack this problem by saying Whoa Bro Hug. This system is broke. We gotTA bring it down and change this. Yeah absolutely you know Depending on where you are world you may not be in a You may be a democratic society or not but either way the whole planet space of capitalism and because of that capitalism It has no regard. You know that's the big thing. Just a big problem with capitalist. The way that it's set up now no wonder just you know people are just fodder with this. All we are and We're completely expandable which ends to the means of the people where ten thousand dollar suits and You know they city has nothing. Just you know. Okay they're gonNA put somebody else in that spot and that's the way it's been really all the way back. Since the beginning of the human race on this planet once genetic modifications occurred so got a man. That's what I say man. We gotta really push our to wake up people on this planet and get next generation conscious and the next generation conscious. This is why a lot of my stuff is targeted towards younger people. Because I'm trying to go after the future generations because those future generations now will end up in a judges chair share of share a political seat somewhere potentially and if they're conscious enough will make the right decision or press the right button or help out the right people. The right people in to make some significant changes as he tried to move towards brand new type of economic system which needs to happen in Mexico APP because you can't go into a golden age capitalists so the fact that there's no capitalist golden age collapse so how'd you what what what would be the best transition. What would be what type of system would you say his best Everyone's everyone's a- sovereign energy producer. And you know I I don't know you know tell me it. It could be Well Lotteries Look at it. We released a lot of the technology's not there'll be no need for a power plant. Wouldn't be any for electric company. Everybody will be Every every device access have access to energy on its own and so energy built the international thing solution would be when you can't even meet her at the metered anymore all have utilized to TV the workload of human beings and get the get the Get those worked without a on. The basic basic piece and people overseas. But how did you society will be based on? How good you are how to kids. Maybe what would you do? How how are you And and maybe an energetic type of of our economy where everybody's their own boss. Everybody does their own thing. But there is some type of sort of you know. Many miniature miniscule legislation that allows parameters guiding. But nothing to you. Know kind of where it is right. Now with this complete dominance of very small few and create an lobby and create their own rules in their own laws. Even if they're even if they're evil or kill people they can still walk and get away with it but a guy that grows a marijuana Clinton's backyard goes for twenty years. I mean the balance is way off. Yeah right yeah I mean it's almost think there are some obviously. I don't know I'm not very smart about that. But I think it's more whether it's religion or or government less the government style if you will than it is. The people who apply at like I didn't capitalism has its merits but when you get into crony capitalism and then everybody just becomes like you said just once Zeros and it really is. It's not a level playing field. Everybody can just pick themselves up by their bootstraps because so many people monopolize industries etc etc. So yeah we'll shit man I I don't want to keep you much longer. Actually pat you got anything left for him. I think when we get John next time we're going to have to go simulation talk simulation because I really dig it when you get into that and I find that so fascinating as well I think in my own opinion I think this could be like a big fucking ten thousand years down the line version of the SIMS. You know what I mean so absolutely the Westworld care if you go in hard on it. Where westworld right the Netflix show? I heard that's pretty good as a dope. Yeah Yeah it's actually an HBO and see one two three. It will blow your mind. 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All About Mushrooms

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All About Mushrooms

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For instance there are seven hundred and fifty plus species of mushrooms in the state of Kansas and I've found maybe three hundred of them. It's like on my bucket list to find every species in the state, but I know it's almost going to be impossible because some of those species only come out once every ten years. How's that determines? What's the point of waiting out long? Sometimes it conditions have to be really specific in order for them to actually produce fruiting body. which is the mushroom that we actually see? Ten Years Wild that is one patient. Mushroom can't wait for you guys to hear all about it. Speaking patients I've been patiently waiting released this episode. This was recorded last year. That's right last year. Remember two thousand nineteen. Wow, we took that one for granted and didn't. I, I waited to release. This and I've been eagerly wanting to release. It's a fantastic episode but I waited because my new friend. Lindsay Ryan Mike Hala. Lindsey Ryan who you're about to hear she has this fantastic pocket guide to Common Kansas, mushrooms. That I wanted to wait until it was released and published for any you guys in Kansas or anywhere in the area or just interested in cute little pocket books, full of pictures of mushrooms and descriptions, and any U big time my colleges out there fascinating I'm flipping through it right now as we speak I, didn't even know mushrooms could could look. Did. You know that mushrooms don't just like the whole look like the ones in grocery stores, or are you aware that because I forget sometimes so you can check that out of pocket guide to Common Kansas Mushrooms and if you WANNA, check out my newest youtube channel now one of the things that the new normal and new newer newish newest normal as bringing to you. You is new and improved. Video cast content, never did video and tell the quarantine have been making improvements ever since, and we got a ton of a new episodes coming your way, so enjoyed today's road and afterwards pop over to the old youtube channel take. A look at some highlights and things like that and talk with the guys at the and enjoy today's episode. Yes. We are we here. Why are we here? Not entirely clear? We are misfits. By random chance with no. Post Excessive We UH. Everybody welcome to the here. We are podcast day. I am in Wichita talking with naturalist at the Great Plains. Nature Center Lindsey Rhine joining me today Lindsey. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you so much for having me I'm honored to be a part of it and the your mushroom nerd. Yes, WE'RE GONNA. Talk about today. You have a book coming out in at the time that this is releasing, we'll have come out a pocket guide for Common Kansas Mushrooms for all my mushroom picker listeners out there I think that you might be surprised how? Many? How many mushroom-picking listeners I I probably do have but in Kansas specifically so is this. Does every state have their own mushroom guide or they should, and that's what you're working on. Yeah, they should so it's actually really difficult to find mushroom. Specific species within different states, most of them are found like regional as but unfortunately the last one was published for Kansas was in the nineties, so it's pretty out of date, and I'm just trying to update it so that people who are out in nature or looking for mushrooms, and they find ones that they're not familiar with. They can just pick up this little guide and flip through it and see see if it's there or not and help them identify it, so you described yourself to me as a mushroom nerd, or how did you get into? What's ponder love of spawn? Mushrooms. I appreciate a good pun. I didn't even try to do that. I just didn't notice that I. I mean whatever Associated Brain. I think that that that my sub-conscious knew what it was doing with that. I noticed afterwards. I've been an outdoor girl my whole life. I grew up on a small. Small town in Kansas out in the country just running around and I was always aware of the little things around me, and not the big ones, not like the deer were the or the trees, all the little stuff like little bugs and little fungus, and I want to know as much as I could about them, and it kind of dawned on me that every time I would ask a question about Oh this. Why is it here? Why should I care about it? No one really knew the answer especially when it came to mushrooms, because not a whole lot of people know about a lot about mushrooms. so when I went to college. I started to can focus more on that and I wanted to learn as much as I could about all these mushrooms, and it just kind of snowballed from there. I'm not really interested in edible species, per se like Morales, or shanty or anything like that. I'm more of a diversity person. For instance there are seven hundred and fifty plus species of mushrooms in the state of Kansas and I've found maybe three hundred of them, and it's like on my bucket list to find every species in the state, but I know it's almost going to be impossible, because some of those species only come out once every ten years. Yeah, how is that determined? What? What is the kind of conditions? What's what's the point of waiting that long? If you're that species, sometimes like conditions have to be really specific in order for them to actually produce a fruiting body, which is the mushroom that we actually see, and that can be specific temperature amount of rainfall, the amount of rainfall over a collective number of years, so these mice, helium or the actual fungus. It's underground that we don't see with our eyes is storing all of these nutrients, underground and or whatever substrate it happens to be growing in like a dead log or in a leaf or something. It just depends on. The right conditions and all of a sudden. This fungus is like. Oh, man, this perfect at San Antonio. Start reproducing, and so it POPs slow mushroom out and starts doing it, so it's difficult to determine what conditions are necessary for. Certain species to actually do that. That's a very patient mushroom I. Mean I've read about some seeds that require you know a wildfire to happen for them to split open and and and start growing so there. There's something like that going on with these the so that's almost. Would you say that it's a more kind of finicky species in a way something that's only coming up that often I like the the the environmental kind of criteria for it to To grow as just a lot more either specific or or rare to this condition. Yeah, I would say that for example there are certain species that can only grow and fruit in sandy soils. Verses like. Regular soil. Find your backyard. It has to have a lot of sand in it, and I'm really not sure why, but there are specific conditions at different species of mushrooms need to in order for them to actually grow in these areas, and it's conducive to what the species actually is Are there, any mushrooms that are that are like doing well with in cities you, you pave things over, and and all of a sudden. There's some species that's like cray. We love growing and pavement and human made structure. Actually there's one that comes to mind I. Get asked about this one all the time. Its core chlorophyll, diabetes, or the combination is the vomiting, and it gets that combination because it's actually this species that causes the most poisoning in the United States, because it's very commonly misidentified for similar edible species it's the giant mushroom that fruits and fairy rings and people's yards, and in ditches along like major roads now is about the time that they're gonNA start coming up. I'm starting to see 'em when I drive down the road, but I can't drive home without seeing these mushrooms popping up in the ditch, so they're probably one of the most common species that you'll find in urban areas, but people should definitely be aware of them because they make people really sick. I. Mean I can't. Fathom the idea of and I know I. Know People do it and people are going to like. Get Your Guide and they'll be able to. Really tell the the very nuanced differences in all these different species and know what they're looking at and picking. I can't imagine like walking down the street and BMI K.. There's a mushroom. It looks Kinda at ball, and then just take an Chonkin throwing it in my mouth but I. Guess that's what people are doing that. As a as a mushroom NERD, how? How much! I guess. How confident are have you ever had at times very like I, wonder if I can eat this or not, or do you always know a hundred percent? I am not I mean like I said I'm not a big edible mushroom person I like mushrooms I like to eat them, but I'm more of a diversity person, but I have in a way trained my brain to recognize poisonous species that are found in Kansas and I believe that any mushroom hunter or forager should do that because there are so many look-alikes that can make people really sick. So I think I've just started focusing on poisonous species so often because I get asked frequently. Can I eat this mushroom? By people all the time and it's. Like some of the characteristics on those species are so obvious to me now that I'm like this is what you need to look for. If this species houses characteristics definitely donate it, and then compare it with something that looks similar, but isn't quite the same for for instance there is a common species, called the meadow mushroom, and it's like the wild cousin for the button mushrooms that you bind grocery stores, those little white ones. And that is actually the species that this chlorophyll mal diabetes or this vomit gets confused the most with because they're both white, they can get fairly large. They grow in the grass, and the fruit and fairy rings, so they share a lot of similar characteristics, but one of two of the giveaways for the vomit, or is actually that they have green gills or green spores after it's matured and. The edible species that meadow mushroom doesn't have that it starts out with Pink Gills, and then they turn a dark chocolate brown color the other indicator. Is that this vomit or has a very obvious ring around stem and the meadow? Mushroom does not so I mean there really obvious characteristics. It's just training your eye and following these descriptions in these guides and paying attention to what actually looking at Comedian, and because I'm a comedian Which one thing people don't. One odd thing about me is I don't laugh out loud very often, I don't really I'm very specific and the kind of comedy that I do like I'm a little bit of a snob when it comes to comedy I, don't like most comedy. That's on TV I. Don't like most stand up comedy. I don't like most Improv. I have like a very specific at taste, but because I'm a comedian People are like well. He's a comedian. He likes to laugh. I bet he wants to hear a joke, and then they wanna tell me they're like straight joke all the time. which is some horrible like? It's always when someone's like I have a joke for you I'm always just like. Please don't let it be racist because it usually is but. But? But it's usually. Just some dumb. Internet thing that they have but. I'm wondering at your mushroom nerds. People know that about you, they. You're you're going to some places house for dinner? You show up, and then they just have the spread of like they're like. Here we we made all these part of host for you. Here eat. We were only eating mushrooms. You get that a lot I actually haven't though I people do send me a lot of jokes about me. Eating Mushrooms Mike I. have this I created this mushroom club group through through the Nature Center that I work at and a lot of the people that joined. They have to answer these specific questions before they can join the group and one of them is Why do you? Why Are you part of this group? Why? What makes you WANNA join it and most of the time they say well I really like eating Portobellos and I think it'd be great if I can identify them in the wild. I'm like Oh. You'RE NOT GONNA learn that here. I mean. Are you even going to find Portabella in the while? And definitely not here you can grow them. But that's a whole other. BALLPARK! Stephen! Aren't they kind of like a? curated species. there. They aren't even like a A. Par, belly get at a grocery store that that's not even anything that like quote. Unquote existed in the wild as it was kind of like grown selected for by human essentially, and there are a couple of other species that do that to for instance, there is a species of mushroom called Inoki that's used in a lot of Japanese foods. It's like really skinny. Stan with a tiny white cap on top. Top and you can buy them in bundles in like Asian. Food markets while there's a equivalent that grows here in Kansas and it's the same thing with the metal mushroom, versus that one that you combined grocery stores. this wild one is called the velvet foot, and it looks nothing like the species that you buy in the grocery store, but it's the wild equivalent of that it's just been Grown and manipulated so to speak to look more appealing than the one that actually grows in the wild. Does that drive you crazy? When like it's like when I'm watching When I'm watching comedy and somewhat and I know like the tricks that that a comics using to like illicit cheap laughs, or whatever because I use the myself. But but And then like audiences won't appreciate like the core of what actually makes something fun is that is that a does that drive you crazy at the grocery store? Like Oh people just like this one, because it's pretty that this other one has actually more. Value and taste better. You're just a more agreeable person than. I WANNA say it doesn't bother me, but that's because not very many people talk about mushrooms, and if we're talking about mushrooms in the sense that gets me really excited because that's like a segue into this whole conversation about wild mushrooms and the amazing diversity that we have out there, so I use store-bought mushrooms as a segue are talking about all the other ones I wanted to talk about. I. I know what it's like to have things in your mind that you. I'm always. Working on whatever evolutionary. Psychology of consciousness ideas, or whatever that I'm like just looking for any little gateway into the conversation? As I'm sitting there and waiting as people are about their sports, and everything and I do here's my entry point, so you do that with mushrooms, and sometimes I do it when nobody even asked. I'm just staying there and I just start talking about mushrooms. That weird girl at parties when no one's talking to them like Hey, can I tell you about this mushroom I found today oh very How does that go over? I, usually just kind of blurt things out. That's brave of you so. Don't care. And an! How's IT received two? You're usually pretty well. Surprisingly I've gotten a lot of comments about my azam being like really contagious. And at like, when I take people out on hikes to go, look for mushrooms and I'm really excited about one species that they didn't even see until I had pointed out. People would say man I never would have thought that anything like this could be so exciting until I went mushroom hunting with you, which is a huge compliment for me, because now it's getting these people. To notice things that they've never noticed before, but they were walking right by hiking on this path and it just kind of makes helps people open their eyes a little bit better for example out our park right now. There's a relatively I'm going to call it. A rare species of mushrooms called pepperpot. It's actually listed as endangered and all the other countries of its founding and stock. This mushroom like someone stocks their ex on like the social media. Waiting for this mushroom to open up and every chance at I'm outside, and I keep checking mushroom anybody that walks by me on this path I'm like hey, come look at this mushroom. It's really cool. So you're just this this little bridge, troll or something. that. Just waiting for people to come by and and to spring the information on them forgotten bright my day if I walked by, and you're there to tell me some weird thing about some interesting mushroom. How far off of the beaten path do people need to when you're when you're out looking for mushrooms? So you know there's hiking trails everywhere. Do you? So it? You take out to look A. Are we able to like? Stay on the trail the whole time and you point things out. Are you like taking a machete I you don't strike me as a machete type of? Yeah, you'll get the machete out there. Are you I'm just wondering how much like trouncing through the the poison oak. And Stop the that one has to do like really catch a gander of of the real cool mushroom stuff out there. Yeah, when I take groups out like really big groups. We usually only have to stay on the paved path that we walk on, so this park has just over two two and a half miles of paved trails, and we just walked those trails, and we'll look in like foresty areas and places. I know where we can find mushrooms like heavily wooded places places with dead or rotting trees, but I've also taken small. Small groups out little excursions into the woods and those are full head-to-toe garment in sprayed and premiere in, so we don't get all the tick bites. We've got long pants when it's one hundred degrees outside or armed with our knives that are like handy, little microscopic lenses, so we can get a better look at Gills, things like that, but it's really dependent on a on how comfortable people are with going out into the woods? Most of the time we just down the path though Kevin just right there right next to you and you don't even see him. Guys Radio, Jason here, and whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want what you're listening to to be. What your listening to. No, we don't WanNA catch, glimpses and little bits of. BITs. Bits of what your kids will listen to anyone else. Everyone needs a pair of wireless ear buds, but before you go drop in hundreds of bucks on a pair, you need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray Con. They're amazing. I got my Rakhine earbud. 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CON DOT, com slash starrewards for fifteen percent off. I'm wondering. Because I don't have your book in front of me because at the time we're recording this. It's not It's not finished yet. But is there anything like I? Imagine this. It's not like this, but I'm curious if there is anything like Walking guides in there that have no no I. Is it a house? The book laid out as it just like a number of different species and how to identify them in like the region's. You'd find them in essentially so book has maybe about fifty species in their of the most common ones that people are likely to see in their. I've listed. What time of year they're likely to find them in and what part of the state now? Most of these species are found widely distributed through the state but You can find them more concentrated say in the eastern part of it because there's more woods, there is more rainfall over there in that side of the state as opposed to the western part of it, and I'll just kind mention where you're more likely to find them in the habitats, they prefer so for instance at vomit or really likes wide open grassy spaces whereas The hexagon all ports. Poured, polly poor, that's a mouthful of the name in woody areas, because it grows on like dead tree branches and sticks, so you're not going to find it in grassy areas unless there's a stick out there in that stick got lucky. and. And your listing seven hundred then in the Book Ryan now. Oh Man, just listing the ones that you found so far now I'm actually only listing ones that people who are not familiar with identifying mushrooms on most common ones that. Yeah, it's a start guy. Yeah, because most of the questions that I get from people about identifying mushrooms are people who have no idea what they're looking at sometimes I get a picture of something and they're like. Is this even a mushroom? So I'm just kinda starting from ground. Zero with this little guide yeah! I'm just thinking of all the possibilities of of little mushroom tourist that can be done is the one that's that's every ten years, or so in the conditions are just right. Who is that something that you? You have a sense of the area and the certain conditions that will meet that in yield like know ahead of time. I K- We've been getting a lot of rain lately. I bet this. Is it like? Is there a possibility that you can be like? Hey, we can go and see. The Haley's comet of of mushrooms and Noah had a time that it's going to be in place. How not for that species I've actually never seen that species before because it's such. It's on that seven hundred and fifty species bucket west. What are you going to do? Are you gonNA have to like block off three months and just like CIGNA panel. Waiting. Ideally, I would love to do that, but probably can't time. I just go out mushroom hunting by myself or with a friend or two, and we will just document and take samples of every species that we find so that I can put them in a database at him, keeping track of and hope that we just find something that we haven't seen in a really long time. So it's really a game of. Hide and seek. Maybe one of the things I like about mushroom hunting is out. It's actually kind of a game for me. You just go out and you look for stuff. I, I imagine. The environment that or not invited the the kind of exact place that you're finding these species is probably. Changing pretty quickly because if you were to say. There's probably a trail like right outside this building. You can go and take a guide. People on tours right so. If you were to. Put a map of that trail online and be like hey, in this part of the trail, you will find this species on the right side of the trail. Is that something you could actually do accurately, or would it be changing so quickly that that the map would be useless? For a lot of general species, I can do that and I'm kind of working on something similar, so I'm taking a census of all species that are found in the park workout and I'm marking where I. Find Them every year on a map in a lot of these species are coming back in the same places that they were for instance do that. That pepperpot was going to pop up. where it did because I, found it there last year, and I just kind of monitor it it it I kept walking area the path back and forth almost every day, just waiting for some sign that it was gonna come up and sure enough this little brown stone, looking thing was coming up out of the pine needle debris on the forest floor and was like. Oh, it's there so then I kept. Kept, walking past it does waiting for the right amount of rain to make it opened up because it's actually a puffball, and it looks like an start. It's like sitting in this bowl of tentacles, almost an sitting on top of it, and it's this white earn excuse me the silver puffball on top, and got all these little mouths on top of it so when I drop a brain hits it and Pushes down on that like silvery pillow part of the puffball it forces all these spores out, and then the wind catches them, and then they get carried off so they can go off and make more little puffball babies. Beautiful so Bhakti original question. I got off on a tangent, please. This is a tangent heavy. Believe me but yeah, so I can. Give you a map of this park and pinpoint where I know of specific species are going to be because they just come back. They're perennials. They just come back in the same spot. That would be so cool, too, because they have you know every city has these like city walk guides or whatever you can do. These self guided tours of here's these landmarks here and here. It'd be so awesome to have something like that for for Mushrooms Planting, scores Um A and it's not too late. You can still add it to this. I I imagine it'll take some time to put. These trails together, but it's fine. We'll work together on. It will update. The listeners wants all this is in place. They can go to your site and find out more. Do you have a website for for people to go to as well? Yes. Information that. It's actually the nature center's website. It's jeep GMC DOT, Org? And all my contact information is on their twos. If anybody has questions, just shoot me an email or Whatever. How? So I had the episode, a my college episode with Tom Ball cannot Huang ago and he was saying. There's millions of species that. Have been identified of remembering writer need to be identified or something like that, and and that they're kind of. Growing all the time, you guys are becoming aware of more mushrooms all the time, so that exciting tea or discouraging that like he, you have the seven hundred. How many are on the bucket list that that you have yet to see like two hundred, maybe like five hundred. You've only seen two hundred M. let me let me bump that up a little bit, so we'll call it like four fifty. Okay well. That's worth it. Yeah I've been two. Hundred is Kinda slack. But. So you, you have so you have another two fifty to see to get the seven hundred, but I is that discouraging that like on that on that last day when you put that x through number seven hundred, and then and then someone's GonNa. Be like actually there's a there's seven hundred and five. We found five more it. How how quickly are they How quickly are people discovering new species a mushrooms all the time like daily, probably and that's probably including the micro species like yeast that are just floating around in the air that we're breathing right now. all those little guys. honestly probably wouldn't be discouraging and probably will be really excited about it because one of my favorite things about my college is. Always changing every day. I'm learning something new about the world of my college in about mushrooms and fungus in. For example as I was. Going through edits of this pocket Guide I noticed that the scientific name of one of these species just changed overnight, unless because scientists are decoding their DNA and any sequences and figuring out that. Oh, it's more clue more closely related to this species on A. Like genomic level versus its visual characteristic, so it looks a lot like this mushroom, but it's more closely related to this one. That's way over here, so they changed tax anomaly all the time. We're discovering new species, and it's really exciting because I know that I'll never run out of stuff to do. I imagine there's a lot of with. Humans impact on the on the ecosystem there there must be a fair amount of changes in what mushrooms are growing where, and how many, but even just within. A regular old ecosoc whatever that means What are some of the different evolutionary pressures that are acting on acting on mushrooms constantly in in driving some of the different morphology. That's a really good question A lot of them. Are Human based frankly agriculture and. Fungicides and pesticides and everything else is putting on the pressure on these species of mushrooms for instance Germany. They've got thirty eight species of mushrooms that are listed on there endangered list or endangered species. Whereas the United States. I think has to maybe like nobody in the. US really cares about mushrooms I. think that's because of this stigma that Americans have opposed to Europeans But stood Mo-. Yeah or mushroom stigma, yeah, like Americans are afraid of mushrooms whereas Europeans kind of like a relish in them. because. They're potentially toxic or because of like psychedelic mushrooms. What's what's the stigma? I think it's more because of the potential poison from them by accident, and we're very safety conscious in the United States naturally, of course they are ever else in the world, but Europeans have been harassing and collecting mushrooms for hundreds and hundreds of years I mean before Americans even came to the United States or to North America. People came to North America. So I think. Coming from Europe to Merrill, we discovered all these species and we didn't know what they were. So of course there's this inherent fear that if we eat them, we're going to die. Because there was really there's really no collective way to determine if a species is poisonous or not, unless you look at it. Chemical level or somebody eats it and dies. Or get sick from it essentially so I think there's this. Overhang of fear that Americans have as opposed to Europeans who are just going crazy over all these species and mushrooms are really excited about it as opposed to like. I said Americans just being afraid of them What's your favorite kind of I? Guess I'd say maybe strategy That mushroom as is using out there to spread itself my favorite method. Man. I gotta go back to the puff balls I think just that mechanism that they have evolved to use. Rain as their way of getting their spores out, there is just mind blowing so. You when you think of a typical mushroom, you think of mushrooms have a cap with a with Gills on the underside right, and these gills are producing all these spores, and then they just kind of fall out, and the wind picks him up and carries them away, whereas these puff balls have to rely on like a physical mechanism of a raindrop, hitting it enforcing these spores out, and some of these pupils are like the size of my thumb nail and getting hit by a raindrop. That's like nothing is crazy to me that it even happens. Happens but one of these little puff balls on. Talking about was called Earth Star. They're just everywhere. They're really common. We can walk out on the path right now on. Go fine like a dozen of them and the fact that there are so prolific is just crazy to me, but they just use this rain to force all these spores out every time raindrop hits it thousands and thousands of spores come out in these little puffs of clouds, and it's just crazy to me and that's the. That's the only mushroom doing anything like that. no, not necessarily. There are a few other ways that mushrooms Spread their spores around. There's another species is called the burdens fungi, and it's very small as probably about the size of a pinhead added smallest and. How I don't know maybe half the size of a dime at its largest small but inside these little burdens fungi, they're called that because they have this little egg, looking things inside of their, and they also use rain to kind of. So when it rains out, it falls on the side of this Cup, and it launches these little eggs out of the cup. That is the base of this fungi or this mushroom, and wants those little land somewhere. They have some of them have these little. Bungee cords attached to them, and they'll land that Bungee cord, touch something and pull that little extra in, and then once it dries, or once it has a large of impact. It'll bust open and release Elvis bores that way, so that's pretty unique way that that species gets its spores out into the world to so there are a lot of different ways. Mushrooms do this for instance like truffles. The ones grow underground. Actually I think I heard this podcast that Tom Volk actually gave, and he said that squirrels will dig in the ground and eat these truffles, and that's how the truffles spread their spores. They have to go through the digestive track of a squirrel. which is just wild to me I know it always is. kind of funny in silly in a hair said to me that people are like obsessed with Aliens when people are like Oh. Man, what if there were aliens? Wouldn't that be crazy? It's like we are this is. This is all alien. Every little bit of this is alien. You look at the things that you can actually see with your eyes. These mushrooms are aliens. You're looking at them with your alien. What's the? What's the most What's the. The go-to method than with with mushrooms, the you said that most of your average boring whole mushrooms have a cap, and you have these skills, and and the spores just just take off in the wind. That's that's the just. That's the most normal run of the mill I guess. It depends, so that's. One side or one tiny puzzle to the mushroom or the Fungal Kingdom Kingdom fungi. Versus, so there are these other mushrooms also have a cat, but they call bullets, and that's because instead of having gills. They have tubes. On the underside of their caps, and then you have cup fungi, and then you have coral fungi, and then you have the puff balls and you've got crust and rests and things and grown plants, and you have jelly fungus which are just. So cool They're probably one of my favorites, but I can't say that because I say that about pretty much. Every species that I find I did a presentation a few months back and I had sixty five slides in pretty much. Every slide had a picture of mushroom, and at the end of my talk, someone came up to me and said you know you said that that mushroom is your favorite mushroom for every slide, right? but there are just so many out there and there really isn't a norm per se for how these mushrooms get their spores out there, it's whatever. Is the easiest for them. That sense so for example why these jelly fungus is called a whittier. And here it is edible species in its use in a lot of Asian and Japanese cuisines for instance. If you've ever had Rahman, the black mushrooms that are in those Rahman bowls. That's a woodyear mushroom. And their jelly fungus, and they put their spores out They kind of fall on after underside of this Little Cup that's hanging off the side of a tree, trying to give you a good visual of this, and but they'll dry out, so they don't have a whole lot of surface area, so they can't produce a lot of spores in the way other mushrooms make up for that is by surface area so the. The Gills have a law to surface area underneath that mushroom, whereas these little would ears don't have lots of presents because they're not very big, and they dry out quickly, but their way of making up for that is that when it rains, they reconstitute, so they can keep putting out spores, so it's not surface area that they use to put spores out. It's time. yeah. Very, cool, so I I do have some listeners just going crazy right now, Shane, when are you going to ask her about Scylla Sivan? Assure! And how can we find them are? Are they going to be listed in in this book of yours? I imagine. How could they not be well? They're not actually a aren't. Enough to. Really, that was an intentional choice that. It was not as because. In Kansas. There are a lot of Silla Siobhan species that you can find here I mean there are some, but they're also pretty difficult to identify so usually people associated with suicidal was growing on cow, Dung, right or cow, patties or poop of some kind, but some of these species don't just grow on poop in other places, so they're difficult to identify They're not as common in Kansas as they are in the rocky mountains. But I did leave him out because you're not going to find it very much here. Okay. Yeah Fair Enough I have to ask for listeners not. Speaking of medicinal uses of of mushrooms. What kind of stuff are you excited about? These days in in in terms of it seems to me. Maybe I just run in different. Kinds of circles are helping, but it seems to me that mushrooms are being looked to and utilized quite a bit in a myriad of supplements and and treatments Tom. gave me his old heart and. Put it in my hand during the podcast without warning me and then and then explained. that a particular mushroom was used to suppress his immune system so attack the the heart transplant that he got what are some of the uses that caught your attention and I imagine there's also a along the same lines. If there's any like it if there's anything being because I'm not super in the know and in in NYC. Supplements in this. If there's any mushrooms being pushed right now in the supplement stars that you're like Oh that doesn't do anything stops. Stop Wasting your money on that so two different, but related questions. Okay, let me see if I. Tackle the first one so I think for me. It's not necessarily medicinal uses that are jumping out at me. the. Biodegradable side of things so for instance recently it has been discovered that. Scientists or engineers can develop a packaging made of mushrooms. It's possible. And edible, so that's like I'm. Very against the use of plastic and Styrofoam so I. Try not to use that as as I can. And I'm very excited about the potential of using mushrooms to package might take out food, and then I can take it home, and just throw it in my backyard, and not worry about it so I'm really excited about that aspect of things. and then. As for The second part of the question I don't. This medicine of mushrooms. I don't have a whole lot of experience in I have talked to people about it and I the I, mostly diversity and edible species, identification versus medicinal properties, and like holistic uses but I do know that. The craze right now are Reshi mushrooms or courtships so people will make tease out of court a subsidies reaching mushrooms, because they're said to have anticancer and anti inflammatory properties and I can't back that up because I. Don't have any experience with it, but that's just what I've been hearing lately. Yeah all right well. I before we start wrapping up I just don't want to forget to get to this I. Have My guests each week. 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You know learn more about science or have something comedy related on my mind I'll just spot it more in the environment and and no more. Do you think that people kind of learning more about mushrooms? Volk changed the way that they're kind of hiking around and and looking at things. Oh, absolutely for instance I have a women's camping group them apart of we tried to go camping once a month. Fortunately, I haven't been able to make the last few 'cause pin so busy. But there is a woman that we can't with. Who Really had zero interest in mushrooms at all and then every time we camped together, we go hiking. And I was that mushroom nerd on the Haiku, point all this fun stuff out and tell them about all these species and now she says that she can't go outside without seeing a fungus so I think once you start seeing things and recognizing those patterns in nature. It just starts popping out at you naturally. One of the comments I get a lot when I lead hikes is. How did you even see that? I had no idea what there and we walked right by it and I was like. All this experience and all these hikes that I've led before have almost trained my eyeballs to see things before I've even registered what it is. So it's just training yourself to recognize these things, and it's even necessarily training. It's just going out and doing it, and then you to start automatically recognizing mushrooms that you wouldn't before. Yeah I think that when you first start hiking, you're just kind of your eyes. are in front of you and you're looking at the trailer and. Over. And as you that's, that's one of the things that. I don't have tons of episodes like this. Talk a lot about the brain and stuff of quite a bit more, but about these kinds of episodes have definitely really helped heightened my experience of being out and about nature and appreciating it more and. Having more of a respect and understanding for for humans impact on it, and and it. It just makes it. It makes it a more kind of Colorful world when you when you go out on those same hikes with that new bit of knowledge in those those little things are springing tier. visual awareness a lot more What? Shoot I had a question that I forgot i. A. What do you think people need to know in terms of What can mushrooms teach us about Humans impact on the ecosystem, and what we kind of need to be more mindful of. That's a really good question I think. And this kind of goes along with all species of living things, as humans develop and expand our urban environments. We're GONNA, see less and less diversity and What's actually interesting about that? As you're not gonNA find more species of mushrooms in an old growth forest, you're gonna find more diversity in a forest is recently seen something traumatic. Go through their like a cutting or like fire, but in urban areas you're actually taking away that environment that it needs to thrive in those trees. and you're gonNA, see less of it so I think. Monitoring the species that are found in certain areas and the frequency of which they return, and if they keep coming back year after year, or if new start coming up, that'll be a good indicator of how we're actually tweeting our environment. And what what is what's the role of mushrooms in a an ecosystem? What what is? we have plenty of time. You don't need to give me a short answer. Okay, it's it's really. Complicated and it's. Kind of like the Internet for the forest, so there are these mushrooms serve a lot of different purposes, so there are three main kinds of mushrooms and or their jobs or their roles in ecosystem. The first one is sap, Rebecca, which means that they breakdown dead. And decomposing organic material like trees and wood, and things like that the second one is Michael Rizal so they form these great semi-chaotic relationship with all the plants in an area or specific trees, and then your last one is parasitic, and one of my favorite examples of that is the newly found Sucato fungus that will actually infect the data's and make their butts off off to put that lightly. We took it again. The cameras are. These, in those loud insects in the summertime that are just screaming at the top of these trees They're just big. Insects are the ones. Have you ever seen exoskeleton like hanging off the side to trees, and they look like little. You don't talk about the Exoskeleton of the CICADA. Right before it Morrison to its adult forum, and there are these things called periodicals Kedah's, and they live underground for like seventeen years, and they come out, and they may and they die. Which is mind blowing to me that they do that? And it's like on point every seventeen years. They know exactly when it come out. Anyway. So these. Relationships in these wooded areas are these grassland areas. You have your decompose. They're the ones that. Help US or they're pretty much the reason that we don't that were not up to our chest in. Like. Sticks dead trees and poop and things like that. Then you have your Michael Rizal Fungi which forum almost like a communication network between tree roots and these. My ceiling among are smaller than or these pieces of my seal Amer the Hi-fi. That's part of the MYCENAEAN are smaller than a tree root hair, so they have the ability to absorb more water than a tree, then tree roots can so they form these amazing symbiotic relationships with these trees where? They will help this tree. Gather more water than it would normally be able to, and the tree will actually. Give it carbohydrates at this organism needs to survive. And not only that it's been recently discovered that one my Liam can connect. A tree to a tree or several trees in almost like a network, and they can communicate back and forth with each other, and these trees can talk to each other essentially through this, my see Liam, which is amazing to me. Whatever the communicating. I'm really not sure I know that they communicate things like threats that they're undergoing for instance like If there's a disease that's around one tree has the ability to another tree. Know that it's being infected, and maybe if that tree gets that message in time, they can do things to prevent itself from becoming infected or reduce its changes amazing. Through my ceiling, yes, happening, yeah, it can I. Think there might be a couple of ways it can do this either through the mice, helium through route connections, and or they can do it chemically, so they'll put these chemicals on the wind and I think they can communicate that way as well They also can communicate for instance Oh. One big thing that actually just learned about is that adult trees that are reproducing in putting out seeds if they have one of their seeds land nearby it starts growing into a tree that adultery will actually send nutrients and water to that little sapling, and in an effort to help grow better, and it uses my ceiling to do that which is. Just crazy, so the connectivity between mushrooms and the environment is really really complex, and I have not done at justice whatsoever, but it keeps organisms and check it keeps us from getting buried in dead things, and it helps keep our trees healthy, and our crops, healthy and ESSENTIALLY THEY'RE A. Pretty important part of an ecosystem and they're really overlooked. All the circe does listening right now are like yeah, but they're also making our butts fall off. You make it sound like this. Thing. I get really excited about parasitic fungi, and it's just fascinating to me like have you? If you've seen A- BBC's planet Earth where? They videotape that ant crawling up to the top of the branch is infected with this court up it's. Crazy to me that this fungus can turn this little ant into Zombie to make it do whatever it wants and a lot of times I get asked so if answer now are humans next like arena gate, parasitology by this crazy fungus, and we're all going to turn into zombies well. Some Info fixed that. Maybe we already have. Silla Sivan. Mushrooms in and PSYCHEDELIC mushrooms. Which I mean I've? I've had plenty of experience I, don't I don't hide that from my listeners but I mean it. It makes you see some pretty interesting things and head I, and it's It's it's very much like The. The subjective feeling of being on suicide Siobhan is often like. I have this very important message that needs to be shared, and it is like a little creepy that mushrooms are like. are triggered to be like. Hey, I'm going to tell more people about this thing, and then you're going to eat it as well a I I'm I'm a little curious. About What's going on there? Well? Humans aren't the only ones to consume psychedelic mushrooms. Yeah for real so. I have two examples of this. Actually one is just a hypothesis about why mushrooms have evolved to have these psychedelic chemicals in them and this hypothesis hypothesis suggests that. It's actually to deter Beatles from consuming the mushroom so that they can stay wreck longer and put out more spores, so if a beetle comes along and eats the second elk mushroom. And it starts tripping balls. It's not gonNA. Sit around and keep eating this mushroom, right? It's GonNa. Go Wander around on the wilderness like seeing crazy stuff. The second one is a long time ago, and so I think maybe even still today. People up in Norway really far north like in the Arctic Circle, they would use AMANITA. Mascara which is the very stereotypical mushroom red cap was your emails. It might be I might have the location wrong. Somewhere up there, and they will actually pick all these mushrooms and have set out trails for their herds of reindeer to follow because reindeers trip balls on these mushrooms, and they'll just follow a little trail of mushrooms and eat them up and just have a great time doing it so. Mushrooms are reindeer very well known to consume psychedelic mushrooms, and even certain like foods mcvea. Some people think that's where the Christmas tradition. Yeah Sorta Yeah I. Think I'm going to bring that up in my talk on Wednesday. Are you into it. I mean there's some pretty convincing. Argue asking me. What do you think? Why don't you set it up a little bit for a you don't have to say like it's. It's not necessarily your point of view just to the point of view that that some people have that that is out there. Of you know there visa red and white mushroom, other harvested and dispersed in the wintertime is there's a reindeer like eating? They're going down to eat them. It looks like they have like a red nose or something. And then, and then I think the people dry them out by by putting them in and conifer trees, so I like the like the things that we decorate yeah trees. There's a lot of evidence that backs us up so I think what it stems from is these Shaman would they were the healers of these groups of people and they would travel long distances to these huts. The huts that they would have to visit to get inside to heal. The sick person was snowed in, so they would have to climb the side and enter the hut through the chimney hole. The smoke was coming out so this big bag of theories. And they drop in there and. They also my understanding was, they would dress like the mushrooms color wear red yeah. That's exactly right. There's. Veritas. Humor? I mean people are like that seems outrageous like okay. Where did the story of Santa Claus come from a more sensible? Doesn't have a more sensible creation and that. There was a monk way back when called Saint Nicholas, and that's the other side or the other potential. Story that Santa. Claus Cameron but I'm going to lean more toward the. Scar aside. Well that's fascinating so. I'm still a little bit. The last thing I'm still a little bit confused about. Mushroom reproduction. I I don't. I guess I just don't understand it fully How are they? How are they? How did they reproduce what what's the is every species doing it a little bit differently as the same basic mechanism. I think it kind of depends on the situation that that species is in so mushrooms have two major ways that they reproduced and then sexually and asexually. So I'M GONNA. Talk about a sexual I because that's probably the most common one and they do that by putting out a sexual spores. They're like little packets of genetic information already to go, and then they just have to land on the proper substrate, and then they can grow into new my helium, the a sexual such as the clone. Yeah, essentially, it's yeah. Yeah those! It's essentially a clone of the original Parrot Fungus the other method is through budding where it will actually put enough genetic information into a small piece of its Hi fi, or which is a tiny piece of that my scene Liam or that big structure underground that we don't see that's the actual fungus the mushroom that we see is the. the little spore factory, so to speak, so that's just one teeny tiny part of a whole organism that we're not seeing with our eyes. So they'll take though actually, but part of our one of those little cells well show bunch of genetic information into a small pocket of it, and then just break it off or at buds off of that cell, and then it can just scoot around in the dirt or wherever it is, and grow into helium itself. The other way is through fragmentation where it literally breaks off a piece of that mice helium and it can just start growing off onto its own self. So those are the major as sexual ways, and now sexual is where it gets a little more complicated, so these mushrooms will put out spores, and they can for visualizations for visual sake I must say one has a plus anyone has a minus sign. And in order for them to reproduce sexually the they have to float around, and then me up with a plus sign, or minus sign and get together, and then they can exchange genetic material and then grow into new genetically. This is what I don't understand. How are they finding? Yeah, I don't know it's crazy, and it's the chance of chances of that is just mind blowing to me for instance, Schizo, file and Commun-, which is one of the most common species on the planet itself as the Split Kill Mushroom. And because it grows so easily and all of the planet, it's one of the most readily studied. It has actually been found to have several thousands different thousands of different sexes, so it's not just male and female for it. It's like twenty three thousand other things, and that's because it can reproduce sexually in that sense, or you just need to bump into another sport, Emma chances are. Are are pretty good that it's going to be one of the twenty three thousand. That isn't your sex. It's crazy to think about, and it's mind blowing to me that they can even do this. And that we that we even have these mushrooms around that produce that reproduce that way because I get with with pollen pollen gets on A. B. or whatever, and then is transferred in that. Like? I can picture that clearly in my head, but the idea like this plus and minus sport like finding each other through the wind or void. where it seems it there. So, there's no. There's. No of Chemical Guidance System happening nothing. It's just not. Win, phase chaos not not that I am aware of home I'd be fascinated to learn more if there is any scientific evidence to back that up to my knowledge, they just kind of put themselves out there and hope they bump uglies. So to speak. That's very interesting well. Everybody check out a pocket guide for Common Kansas Mushrooms Violence Right. Why are you laughing? I'm I'm laughing? Well, it is a very specific kyw. Kind of. But that's not every listeners as going to have the use for a pocket guide for the Common Kansas Mushroomed but people that do people that are in the Kansas area are very or no people in Kansas right they do that. They have that specific. Interests are going to be much more inclined. To to get it, yeah, your average like broad a book for the masses. But the great thing about this is those species are also to be common throughout this whole region, so it's not just Kansas. Those species can be found in other states as well so it's not just applicable gear. Terrific you for joining me. And thank you listeners for being such wonderful curious people. We'll talk more next week. THANKS FOR LISTENING EVERYBODY COMING UP WE'RE GONNA be talking about sound self. We're GONNA. Be talking about a new product virtual meditation, APP having a virtual trip, a meditative aid, really cool new product from my friend oversights. Do you know that name I've mentioned it before? He made the logo for the here. We are podcast. 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