20 Episode results for "Chin Chin"

the unknown youtuber

THERILLPODCAST

05:09 min | 7 months ago

the unknown youtuber

"What's going on Welcome Back to the podcast here with the unknown is what I'll be called. So what do you want to do? Well, I've always wanted to start a YouTube and since you my cousin my my my my best friend my my my best best best best best friend. I decided to make my own YouTube channel, and so let it be driven by characters. Like I've had these characters in my mind. I have this really cool kind of cynical plague doctor character a redneck person off child. They could have like little conversations with each other. I can make sketches and skips. I've had planned for a while. Okay, so that's good. So what what your name be on a YouTube you see I'm still kind of debating right now. I'm unknown currently but as long as you can tell I'm kind of dumb and I don't know most of like what my name's going to be, but I've had some ideas of random down. Okay. So like what are your ideas? I tell everyone your ideas ideas for Youtube channel name or the YouTube channel itself. You're like a DS for like everything about Channel your name or anything just like everyone. Yeah, I've always wanted to have these characters and it's going to be kind of like plot-driven like, you know, filthy Frank. Yes, I do. Yeah, you know how he had a bunch of like crazy characters like pink guy and Safari man and Chin Chin and all these characters say, yes. Yeah, so I want to do something kind of like that. Oh, okay. So like what do you think your first video like would be mainly just introducing the characters like one off and stuff like having a little segments with them. Okay, so What do you play games like, you know my craft or anything? Of course, I would love to also do gaming as well. I have some stuff set up. I can't I don't really have like a capture card or anything, but I would love to do something immature stuff like pointing my phone. Hey I'm saying I do have a capture card. You do have a capture card. I do. All right. All right everyone. I want to know. I have a capture card and it's the Elgato hd60 plus it's a very good capture card cuz you can run your games. But but like the wage video stuff is kind of kind of chopping everything. It's not like clear cuz it's going to your computer and then running to the stream and it might be something else like processing it. So it's not that clear. So yeah. Yeah, but I'm I'm really into different games and and I would love to have my characters play games. But I've also want to have me play the games. I don't want them to be focused predominantly on these characters. I want people to actually like, I guess kind of get my humor and understand what I want to do. Okay, so you think like when like when will you start like your channel like when pretty soon I'm thinking in this next month? I will try and get an introduction video out. Okay, so next month. Yeah. Why do you want to start a channel to be on Thursday? Do you want to know the real reason? Yes. I just want to become just this character. I just want to become this kind of just kind a character on YouTube and I want to be something that people could like relate to like, oh my my personality. Okay, like the Deep questions. Do you have a girlfriend with no water only single? Well, I don't feel ready. What do you ever tell your name in like your like your channel like, you know like ahead of time or anything no home. I want to keep it predominantly my personality cuz if like I want people to like be like, oh, that's the guy with the mask. That's the guy with the characters and off. So, what do you show your face? Like like when you show your face and everything do you have my characters is that they wear masks that represent their kind of I guess personalities. Okay, so this is going to be an end up Podcast with my cousin. So yeah, thanks for watching. Next episode be it's going to be lit like always bye-bye.

YouTube Chin Chin Elgato
Ho-No-Hana Sanpogyo

Let's Start A Cult

37:51 min | 4 months ago

Ho-No-Hana Sanpogyo

"Hello, my name is Josh. She'll host of the let's start a cult podcast wage only podcast be rated reviewed and subscribed to by Homeland Security on iTunes. That's not quite true. But if you want to check us out on iTunes and give us a rating and review and hopes that someday Homeland Security will not be able to ignore us. Now that we have that other way. Let me introduce to you my two fantastic guests. My first guest is a close friend of mine and host of a couple of Watts podcast Greg Dorn Greg. How are you doing? I thought maybe tell our audience a little bit about your podcast doing well. Thanks. And yeah, you can find it on iTunes Spotify do the research yourself like my download button off and get a couple of bots a couple of bots. Yeah. Yeah, like a couple boots no spaces no spaces. Well, I don't know you'd find a job. It's out there. All right, that was a interesting introduction to broadcast. I love it. My second guest is Brian Sheehan the host of the popular TV trivia podcast the popular the popular the game show podcast where Brian runs guests through a gauntlet of questions to test their knowledge of popular hit TV series with the current season focusing on the incredibly popular show Law Office first off Brian. How are you doing today? Hey, I'm doing great. I'm doing great little tired, but you know things are going well awesome. That's good to hear now passionate fans of the office could be described as a thousand and one that I would happily join if the office fandom was an actual official cult. What do you think one of their Commandments would be you'd have to have don't be an idiot. Michael's greatest advice page also keep it simple stupid. That's a good one. Yes s. Yeah, maybe a mixed berry yogurt, you know just a couple of basic things. Yeah. Yeah see, so I think everyone that joined the cult would have to declare dead. Bankruptcy, not not legally, but just vocally of course. Yeah, of course. All right for today's cult will be focusing on the hone on saying poja cult and their leader Hogan few kenapa, and I apologize if I butchered that but I have tried my best to learn it. So these guys used fortune telling lies and fear-mongering to Rob tens of thousands of people at a millions of dollars in one of the most successful and bizarre fraud schemes in Japanese history. This is definitely lesser-known halt in the western world, but have you guys heard of the hona? Hona I have not. I know I wasn't a wasn't super aware too many Japanese called most on the big Godzilla fan and that's where most of my Japanese wide is maybe a little bit couple good and not in there too. Not not too many Japanese cult. We should start a Godzilla called. I think that would go. Well. Yeah, I'm down to start anything. You're down to start that one. Oh, yeah. I don't know anything about this one. I thought Also admit that okay. Well, that's fine. Cuz this makes the the fortune-telling section way more fun because it is definitely the strangest way to tell someone's fortune and with that little teaser, let's jump into it in nineteen eighty Hogan fukunaga was a thirty-four-year-old electrician when he had a spiritual enlightenment, that would change the course for his entire life. Now. I think it's funny that the electrician had an Enlightenment and was going to ask if it was like while he got zapped doing something. Yeah. He touched a live wire or something. Yeah, they can't it comes to me. I'm yeah exactly and actually based on this next part. That's that maybe was what happened. So he decided that he was The Reincarnation of Jesus Christ and the Buddha and was destined to spread his Holiness to other night. So not just one person used to the reorganization of two. Yeah. What are the odds? I just love that. This is nineteen. Eighty makes it so much more relatable. Like if this was Nineteen thirty-five, I drop it off. Up, but this guy is 30 far this guy's like forty years could be seventy-four right now. We'll have to wait to get into it. Yeah, but he might still be just chilling. Just hanging out one of us. I mean, what does the Buddha Christ do? Well we'll get into what the Buddha is. I'll give you a hint. It's probably not what Christ or Buddha would do. He's an electrician. That's what he does say today. You know, he brings his lunch pail to work and get the job love. You know, what not far as the carpenter, right? Exactly. Yeah, so it's not too far off. Yeah at the time of the stunning realization you can Olga was at rock-bottom nearly $60,000 US dollars in debt or over five hundred million yen, the future cult leader needed to make a lot of money in very little time. You know, I have my best moments of clarity when I'm seventy thousand dollars in debt and wage. I think he does as well. Just when you're at rock-bottom exactly the thirty-four-year-old had a hunger to live lavishly Drive in the most expensive sports cars dressed to the nines and designer suits dying a classy restaurant. And enjoy expensive haircuts. So the $70,000 in debt thing makes sense. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah expensive haircuts. Yeah wild how expensive has a haircut get like the most I've ever seen on a cut I want to say was still less than $50. Yeah, definitely for guys. Anyway, yeah for sure about $20 for me and I don't know if we can fax us check this but what do you guys think about it? The highest this guy spent like God. Well, I mean, I you guys are you know based in Canada, correct? Yeah. I know something just came out about United States President Trump's tax returns the amount of money. He spent on hair. Is it ridiculous? I think it was over ten Grand. Oh my goodness. Okay. Well, well then I guess it's not that weird. I guess that's that's regular folks spend normal amounts of money on haircuts. So I just search it real quick and it actually is how did Trump spend $70,000 on it, which is the exact number. Maybe this guy is Trump not a coincidence wage. Let's start that conspiracy theory. So this craving to look and feel like Japan's high class is most likely what causes enormous debt at such a young age. You can now go and needed to be debt-free. But he also needed a way to continue spending money to continue blending in with the Japanese Elite. So he's poor he needs money. What's the best way to make money? Let's say it all together scam TV show. So okay. I like where your head's at. I would go become the barber become man playing 3D chest the nineteen seventies and eighties saw large rise in Cults in Japan known as the Shin Shin shakou or new new religions, which I think is funny that Japan sold that they had religion. They had new religion. Now, they have new new religion Works need data distinction. Exactly. Yeah, these groups formed rapidly after a hugely popular Buddhist movement Soca. Gica lost momentum as followers of birth. Geico began to leave their faith, they needed somewhere else to go young business savvy Japanese saw an opportunity to profit off these people if they could form a religion and gain a following they could get rich and famous that they were the boss talkers of their time. Yeah so far. This guy hasn't sounded like the young Savvy business type. Not really. No actually. Yeah, it's not yet. Anyway. Yeah you dress is nice. It's nice but the parties that seems like the start of a lot of famous people in various. You just need an in and then you're you're good to go. Yeah, I'm guessing guys. Just great at talking to people, you know, get some chattin. Yeah. No, you're not. I mean not too far off. You can all get observing this trend saw an opportunity to turn his life around. You just needed something that would set him apart from the rest something that gave her followers in that would Peak Interest of large groups of people and make them eager to learn more. He knew though that even that wasn't good enough if he really wanted to be rich. He needed not only to gain attention, but keep it off. Need to devote passionate followers who would take his word as scripture you needed to be Jesus Christ and in quotes, I wrote Superstar. So Jesus Christ Superstar. I'm wondering to how long you be. How do you make that distinction stand out in Japan? You know, my my dad was thinking about biking through Japan and said they had neighborhoods dedicated to anime. Like these are like off streets covered with memorabilia. Okay, and does that recently he was going to do this last year? Yeah. Wow. So at this point, I'm wondering how do you stand out from that? I think the way things is that newer or like cuz this was back in the eighties, right? Which maybe this anime is their new cult their new new new cult Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin Chin is obviously, there's actually little known about if you cannot go as life before he declared himself to be what his followers called his Holiness regardless of what his earlier life may have looked like one thing was clear Hogan fukunaga wage. Anything for money? Oh Hogan fukunaga would do anything for money. I left that on a weird octave. So you can all go began preaching his Newfound Holiness to anyone who would listen and he quickly gained a small but devoted following of people who truly believed that the indented electrician was The Reincarnation of Christ. So he's actually convincing people somehow that he is Jesus has good hair long. He has great hair. That's true. But Jesus didn't cut his hair. So wow New World Jesus, you can Ogle had the confidence and Charisma too real and followers with his preaching but if he really wanted money, he needed a larger flock while he was captivating speakers. You can August writing skills were nothing extraordinary in order to spread his word farther and in his effectively as possible. He did one a great pop star of our time did he hired an array of ghostwriters pain a series of text that would be distributed to anyone and everyone fukunaga could reach and this was his text his sacred texts. Yeah. He actually found Almost 70 texts and they were all radical and attention-grabbing. So and when we say he it's his Ghost Riders exactly. Yeah, probably with ideas from him. He'll probably just say stuff and they'll probably thought they would probably just take that idea and run with it. Basically. All right, cuz I was a little curious how can you publish texts and not know what they say and that doesn't sound like it lends itself to anything good. Yeah. It doesn't sound like a great strategy. You know what I mean? Like cuz then you gotta play to that base and you don't know exactly what it's saying. So yeah Drake gets away with it right gets away with it to ya Lounge music. I don't know can't complain and Drake's got a big cult. I was Degrassi fans think any of the writers ghostwriters the same just Freelancers, right? They write for this month before Drake. Oh you you're asking if they were the same as Japanese ghostwriters for this guy. Yeah, I would imagine they'd be different in a different language. So maybe they're good if you're dead. You're good. That's true. You know what do people in power and you both writers. They go to the one guy. Yeah, I don't hate it. I'm here seven years after his spiritual enlightenment. You can officially founded home honest and Pogo which roughly translates to teaching of the flower certified the group as a legal religious sect to gain credibility and it's here the part of every great cult story where the leader begins grifting last episode. It was selling monkeys in this episode. It's reading feet. That's right. It's fortune-telling was he basically convince people of his Christ like Powers by Perfect foot reading rituals that promise to reveal person's health fortune and future. I don't want anybody touching my feet. I had never heard of foot reading before this as a brilliant young that's next level. Like if you already believe that someone can read your hand. Why can't they read your feet? That's true. Yeah. A lot of people say they can read your hands. So it's kind of diluted, you know, you're competing with a lot of dead. You got stand out if you're the only foot reader. I mean, you're you got that whole Market already made for you. Now. Do you think is ghostwriters came up with this idea? I don't know who came up with the idea. But that is a Stan long as I you know, explain chest and I was playing checkers is reading hands. So I'm assuming this is the bottom of the foot if that's the part that has more wrinkles. You know, what it didn't say I had I didn't do research into Iraq should have I think what I picture it says wrinkles. Could you read an elbow maybe or head you could do for him. I got a surprise. I will tell your fortune. Yeah. Yeah pretend like you saw a ghost. I will tell you if that's your ancestor or something. Yeah, so it is definitely a weird way to capture everyone but he definitely does it and he Jesus Paid feet right? I mean, let me wash your feet. That is true. He did I'm seeing the connection. I don't know what Buddha did so I can't we don't know what Buddha did know it's although they never wear shoes. So yep. Her feet to read. Yeah, exactly more scars on the feed to read. Yes. If you can Ogle was able to rope people in the first place by promising family and business counseling is service is granted to help followers me through any hardship. They might be facing you drew in the most vulnerable members of this community who had money to spend were largely Housewives down-on-their-luck who would do and buy anything that offered even a semblance of Hope targeting a lot of Housewives to get their money and their families money. Basically, I guess they don't maybe have this type of Internet Savvy and stuff at this point what we're still in nineteen fifties, right? Yeah seven years later. So it's approximately it's late eighties early. Okay? Yeah lady. Let's say your ladies know given that's the guys name. I feel like you should be able nowadays to like look this up like, oh was tech savvy Guy? What's he done? Oh, he's $70,000 in debt with an unsuccessful electrician business. Apparently well by now. He's not in debt cuz he's charging people read them. Be attached there is so weird foot fetish. Oh do we have a cost on that? There was no cost on quite how how early on how much they charged. There are more prices later on other things he charges. I also don't know how much it cost to have your hands read either. So it's hard for me to compare that either way. I can give you a bit of a spoiler. It's way more than you would pay for someone to read your got it plugged in. Well, definitely more than a haircut by the time his cult was at its peak in the mid-nineties. You can all go ahead finally accumulated the immense wealth. He had dreamed of for so long just in $5,000 suits and I made Italian shoes the money-hungry scam artist built an enormous headquarters in Mount Fuji hosting a golden fountain in Tokyo and other branch of the booming group had offices in upper class neighborhoods adjacent to manners mansions and embassies. You can August wife supposedly spent six thousand to seven thousand a month on shopping trips according to cult members with exclusive access to the family. You can Ogle clearly was a mass. The art of fraud so he's doing pretty well for himself his wife's and in more than I make in a couple of months. But yeah, she's living her best life and so is home right now. Wow, just out of curiosity. Is this a wife before he became Buddha Christ or after I believe? Yeah, they were married before all of this. So she's been along for the ride the whole way and really she's probably loving her right now. Okay, as if you cannot continue to grow richer his foot reading cult became increasingly more threatening to its devout followers and more expensive kanaga, like many who value money over anything else constantly yearn for more. They were never enough followers Never Enough recruits never enough staff members and there was certainly never enough money. You can Ogle was led by a range is greed that sought to drain its followers of every dime in their shallow Pockets because you know, once you get a little bit of money, you want more and more and more and then next thing, you know, you're Jeff Bezos. I think you just fine tune to suck. Are better at a foot reading and your own the service. I think you'd get charged more. Do you think he's writing his own stuff by now know he doesn't need to know he'd never learned how to do that hate for the best goaltenders at this point. Exactly. Well, that's probably true. Yeah, definitely actually the next part gets into your foot reading prices. So it's quite a hurry cools every new recruit began with a foot reading these things were nothing like the standard palm reading as you might pay $20 for at a Halloween festival. These readings were performed by The Reincarnation of Jesus Christ himself don't you know, they were exclusive and expensive at nine hundred thousand American dollars American dollars. Yep. Wow, so that's I can't do the math, but it's a lot of you or whatever so exclusive though. It's very exclusive. I mean, I can't think of many things I walk in $900 for like the next Xbox and P S 5 or what for five hundred something like that. It would you rather have like Fifty palm readings or 1. Depends if it is it like part massage cuz that could be down for that. I mean I wouldn't pay $900 but it's almost a mortgage on my house. Exactly. Yeah, it's ridiculous. Yeah, it's crazy after the cult gained immense popularity if you can Olga could no longer keep up with the demand and enlisted senior called members to perform the readings for him. He's reading still cost $900 wage adjustments were promised exclusive access to a few kanaga. Once the ratings were complete, of course at an additional cost cuz now we can charge that too. So he's we're we're building the pyramid of the pyramid screen stuck. I can't talk like in the office when when Michael's trying to sell. What does he's trying to sell again. This is trivia for you. Oh man. I haven't gotten to that episode yet. I started but yeah, I mean, I you know, you just tell your friends and then they tell their friends and it's not a pyramid scheme. So yeah exactly. It just looks like one not paper. Yeah, if you drive anything, it's pyramid. So it's not a big deal, right? That's true. I'm Jeff. Terrible jar only drug to three points child two points and I'm oh God. It's been a long day the foot readings promised to reveal underlying health issues and participants as well as provide insight into their financial future participants were often diagnosed with Graves diseases at the readings. Of course, no one who performed the readings including fukunaga had any medical training followers were expected to be led by Blind Faith just as the Disciples of Jesus were even if they were told they had cancer. They're telling a large sect of these new people that they have cancer or they have illnesses often get them like involved because now they're they're interested. They're like well now this cult is the only way to save me like it's kind of a dark turn for sure. Honestly one of the worst things and it's never happened to me. But if I were to go get like fortune-telling or reading or something like that and they told me like you're going to die in a plane crash do you get on a plane again? Cuz you have to but you don't want like that mess with me page. Without bother either of you guys know I'm not I don't believe any like it would be in the back of my mind probably when I'm boarding the plane and if if it happened to go down I'd be like, well I did it to myself either but thought I would definitely jump on that plane. No problem. Yeah, but they got a couple of things right in the reading and they're like, oh I don't or two plane anymore without thinking of but I do still board a plane. I see. Yeah. Yeah same here. It's it is in the back of your mind as well. But you're someone just told me I was going to die. You know, I'm also not, you know believer in fortune-telling but it's still a little creepy and for sure, you know, at least it's quick. Well fingers crossed long way down but staff members were mandated to warn victims that their struggles would deepen and Ed Payne would become unbearable you kannada encourage lying and telling a staff that they should use their wisdom and say things even if they may not actually be true to any cult members who questioned this reasoning wage In August simply explained that the truth would come later. Once the followers had attended enough meetings. So essentially you don't learn the truth until you become one of the ones who are lying not interested. So they're reading fee right? Yes boss and then in their head, they're saying oh this is the truth, but I'm going to lie about that like do they believe they can accurately read the feet and then they'll I don't think so at this point. I think they are very much in on the con. They realize that they're just lying to people now to get them to pay money for probably their salaries. Okay? Yeah, cuz these people are making money now to the senior cult members, but like what if they just said like, oh, I read your like you're going to do great things. That's still a lot. Maybe they threw one in ten everywhere every once awhile. They're like, oh, yeah, you're good to go following the initial foot readings victims would be scared into purchasing exclusive seminars and trainings along with Scrolls and ornaments that were said to ward off evil and Misfortune you can oughta convince his followers that they attended meetings their diseases would be cured and some were told their debts would be dead. Funded and caught seminars were a bit pricey. So they cost $20,000 US Dollars, which was roughly twenty million yen in nineteen. Ninety per session cash. So per session. These people are offering $20,000. I don't know who you're targeting for. This Scrolls included though or schools. I don't know if the Scrolls were include what's in the delegate back there by getting all my all my equipment myself a nice nice Ward ward off evil demons and nice little gift bag that says your name on it. It's pretty fire. Wow. I don't know if that's true. Don't quote me on that. But however, there was a cheaper wage alternative to the $20,000 seminars followers couldn't afford that they could make a donation of $15,000 US dollars or fourteen million yen in 1990. So it's basically just a donation you get thanks for coming so $5,000 and you don't make the cut. Yeah. It's not a it's not throwing someone a bone. Oh, you can't afford $20,000 will only make you pay 15000 exactly. Yep. If you pay me $20,000, I'll allow you on this podcast. But if you only donate 15,000, I'll just send you a thank-you note. That's how Brian got here. He paid me $20,000 off new recruits three people for the next episode you guess 5% Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So Bryan you better get out there and you got some friends back and tell their friends. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but then their friends, you know, you'll grab a nice 2.5% off all those exactly soon. We're all rich except for the people. We conned many members gave their entire life savings to Honan and even thought of going into debt were persuaded to keep on giving the call was Notorious for using specific personal threats to scare people into paying. So this is a big tactic in Cults. They take almost everything from you and then promised that the only way to rid of it is to keep on paying in will help you like you'll get out of the debt. Once you go to these seminars and stuff like that. But the reason you're in debt is because you've been paying $20,000 for Seminars the Vicious Cycle and I mean, it's scary how long People do get conned into this. So yeah. Well, I mean you always got the vision to this guy started 70k in debt, you may as well at least rack up that much too. That's true. You have inspired. He's got that story and I guess it's a good story cuz it works you're talking about racking up $70,000 in debt to be inspired. Yeah, exactly. So eventually, oh no Hunan used a ranking system to encourage followers to Shell out as much cash as possible. The more money a person spent the higher the rank would be and the more Good Fortune would be bestowed upon them. Each rank had really exactly each rank had recruitment goals that seemed impossible to reach and the goals would fluctuate depending on if you cannot go as personal expenses, and actually when you constructed as new headquarters, which costs six hundred million yen, if you could Naga threatened to each ranging working harder than ever to recruit and is fear-mongering tactics seem to be working with the cult leading its peak membership at 30,000 members Greg quick math thirty thousand people $20,000 sentiment ours. What are we Joe? They're those guys all came to the seminars. I don't know. I would assume a lot of them did there's probably a lot that did multiple ones. Right? So 30000 * 20000. Yeah, we should be able to do this six hundred thousand six hundred million. Oh so that paid for the headquarter of it. They're all right, right that's not including the ornaments and stuff guys you forgetting that you go through a cool like thirty thousand times 905 or initial Arab true. Right? Right, right. Yeah. It's a cool twenty-seven though. Oh, there you go. So he's easy rock and then quite a bit of money and he's technically a religion. So like Donald Trump, he doesn't have to pay taxes wage, right? He is Donald Trump. So oh, yeah, they're the same person super themselves. But I love this that the beginning of that to sounded like Scientology as well that your rank is determined by how much you pay, right? Exactly. And I mean, there's only so many ways you can do a cold. So a lot of them have a lot of the same time. Yeah. Yeah same like a lot of them are grifters a log. A lot of people healing rituals some sort of fortune telling this one just happens to be feet and they have to sleep with your wife. And I don't know if that actually happens but I would imagine it probably did listen if you're going to take a night with the dude of Christ, you know, you're getting the boot of Chris going to say now it might cost you $30,000. But hey, I'll definitely cure all your ailments. Yeah, you'll be enlighten me or disappointed. So another tactic you can agua favorited was using celebrities to make himself look credible to Skeptics. You donated 325,000 in order to attend a fundraiser for Bill Clinton that donation landed fukunaga the honor of presenting Bill Clinton the Mahatma Gandhi World Peace award alongside Gandhi himself, even though fukunaga bought his way into the event took pictures on the self with celebrity Giants improve hit new members that he had friends in high places and therefore could be trusted. If you're a famous just like back check your friends is not that hard job. Don't be that hard or Gandhi any famous person in general. That was no not every single famous person the history of time but there's just connections to sketchy fables people too sketchy people off the time and it just in my head seems very simple to employed but you would think like their PR person or agent would be like, hey that guy's kind of sketchy maybe you don't go on stage with him. Then that someone like that come out and like Epstein wage thing. Oh, yeah Epstein was a friend with a bunch of a high of people which should have been a red flag for any famous person. Apparently who is innocent. Anyway, let's say that wage. So this story actually love it. It's it's pretty great. So if you can Ogle use the same trick after A friend brought him along to meet Pope John Paul II before the meeting few Kanagawa purchased two rings in the city of Rome when he met Bob Hope. Yes him to where one of the Rings while he wore the other later. He bragged to the recruits that the pope had gifted him the ring and had the picture to prove it. So he tricked the pope into promise rings basically wage. And for years cult members blindly hung on to every word a few canogas even after they found themselves in worse positions than when they joined own on you can all good though was quite never quite satisfied and the greeter he became the less careful. He was it wasn't long before followers and the public alike began to see through the cracks stumbled through that last sentence, but he starts cracking basic at what point like obviously in theory right now, if you were to just get like really rich what point say, it's sketchy Dash. Okay, I won't point you cash out and like you're you're set for life. You just don't want the worry anymore. Listen after the first thousand nine hundred dollar foot reading. I'd be worried I'd be like, oh no. Yeah, but like presumably you're not employable after doing this. Oh, I see so I'm going to point yours. I'll retire Lelo, you know on a couple Mansion interesting show me the sounds like this guy just couldn't stop personally. Like I I wouldn't need as much you know, it sounds like it's him to just be content. Yeah. Yep. It a couple of Mill I'd be happy with a couple of Mill very make some good Investments and be good for the rest of my life. My wife's got a cut back on the 6th at the $7,000 shopping spree, but I'm like this guy probably had such a window between when you had two million and hundreds of million. Yeah. I mean that's a shutter down at any point. Absolutely and I mean that's a cult leaders aren't known for their wage or site. Maybe I guess they're which is weird cuz that's what they're branded as they're like the leaders of knowing what's coming and what what's going to happen, but they actually have 0 4 size. I don't know actually what's going to happen. Then we supposed to call running to the ground in The Dugout. We we predicted that and have a bunch of like time-stamped things that show that we predicted that are cult would run down and like really fail back through and again, you don't even need that to be accurate with all like there's at least one called that's predicted the end of the world multiple times actually, but we can predict our own. Downfall if we want to cuz it goes down when we say it goes down. Well, I'm assuming it so we predict the end of our call right as soon as the call ends in this blown up. We start another so credible. We're off the same incredible foods like whole. Cole and I knew I was coming I blind spot warning Yacolt to like or just chillin. We're oh so yeah, we're just we don't have to make predictions anymore. After that. I see I see the because you can't lay low after you know, you're the more you're the most credible that you've ever been rehired ghost writers. Mm. That's good. We should do that. This is the first when when is it going to end when we when we ending the call put it to hear live 2029? Okay on the 29th of the ninth month? Okay by then before then, you know some time before that date the call. It's going to crash and burn. Okay. It's going to be some fireworks a little bit of trouble, you know, gotcha. It's 9 a.m. Is enough time to accumulate this wealth? Well, you gotta think it's a starter call second call is the real deal. Right? Cuz we're losing all this. We don't want to make that much money. We kind of just need to make fake money. You need to make it look wage novel money. Yeah. Got it. Got it. Got it. And then the second call but gets us the money and the and the security. Okay, cuz then we don't have to be a sketchy who are so credible exactly. I'm ballin. I'm ballin anyway back to a few Canoga if you can August stop paying income taxes in the late nineties. And in nineteen, ninety Seven Police began tracking the multi-millionaire in their search. They found evidence of scams. He was committing including falsely diagnosing people with illnesses and practicing medicine without a license. I mean another thing that tracks with Trump he wasn't paying taxes. So I'm seeing the same person but not a president's birthdays. So we're seeing if you can August problem his lies about his meeting with the Pope spread around Japan and the Japanese Catholic Bishops office began protesting own on and exposing the quote unquote religious group for what it really wage. A scam when figure nagas reputation faltered three women sued him for the money. He squandered from them under false pretenses least conducted a rate of the Cults offices and headquarters and fukunaga was forced to give up his throne. We're on the spiral down in the Years following the police raids over a thousand more of his followers filed lawsuits the spell they were under finally breaking you can Olga was arrested in 2004 from thirteen years after founding honohan on along with you Canoga police arrested 23 of the Cults highest-ranking members at the time of his arrest few Canoga still had thousands of devout followers and according to his called spokesman off the rest fell like quote dying a thousand deaths unquote like the people are so ingrained in this guy that even after it's been exposed that he's a shity guy by all all accounts and that home scamming them. They still think of him as the Jesus Buddha Christ. It's gotta be so hard though. You're dedicating many years of your life. Yeah, and it's like man if this guy is religion a scam artist name. Did so much time that I may as well just stay in like yeah, that's true. Not to draw again more comparisons here, but I mean couldn't he have just claimed all was fakenews? Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm sure he did it would imagine he he went against it. That's just what they want you to hear. You know, like that's not true, you know, like liberal media or I guess it was the way the church that was definitely talking against him. So it's hard to argue against the church which you're promoting. So I don't know. It's it's a weird situation. I mean these people were like in for a penny in for a pound they've already invested so much. Like you said, it's hard to maybe think that you may be invested in the wrong person. So yeah, it's almost your identity exactly. I think our call off like the maybe we should save this for version two. It's really hard to come up with ideas for version one of our calls cuz we know that it goes bankrupt and crashes but right we got to help these people who are stuck in calls. Oh I see so, yep. Getting them out. I feel for them. You know, like I I really want them to get out but I see why they're stuck in and still like sort of enthralling that world. I see. Yeah, we create like the rehab for rehab and if you you know donate so much money, you will get over it. Exactly. Well, it's a low fee on the first called five dollars. Yeah, and it works your way up exactly then took the cash member and we just we don't have too much cash at that. No, no. No, we don't want that will give it all to Brian so you can hold in the same spot for us and then we come back Bryant we find out the Bryant start his own call, but that was and is making millions off to use so much more credible than his called. That's true. Yeah, he'll fall down. Anyways, whatever. Whatever man I could I'm Mike. It's Michael is going to be called the best call damn and I read the best call back. So yeah be that better better. So to wrap this up greed has the power to make monsters for Hogan few Kanagawa. That's exactly what it did. You can August spend twelve years in prison job. For his elaborate and fraudulent cult, but many of his followers will be drowning in debt for the rest of their lives these desperate and vulnerable people never experience the Good Fortune. They were promised but they certainly paid the price for having hope and down questions comments concerns. What does he do now? Yeah. He's at a prison now, so just chill and I guess I don't know cult to maybe listen to this and thinking call to is looking mighty fine right now. We did just give a lot of Cults a great idea. Yeah we did which is not great. So cuz I'm sure some of them listen. You know what? I'm just going to assume this guy's, you know back to being an electrician, you know, it's funny. He started the call and it was going for thirteen years and he only served twelve years in prison. So he didn't even serve the full thought that was ripping people off and I don't even know if he he there was lawsuits obviously thousands of them, but I don't know how much you had to pay or if he still has some of the money or what happened to that. So haircuts girl haircuts yet. He's getting nice haircuts in jail. Yeah. I'm sure you definitely doctor those books too. If they're trying to like say yes to pay back a certain percentage or something. It's definitely only as much as he felt like reporting or yeah well cuz he wasn't paying taxes so you don't really have to report what he was earning. So true. I don't know Japanese law works exactly, but that would be my assumption. Anyway, yeah, so that that has been the Honan saying pogi occult. I hope you found it interesting. I hope you found it fun. Well, maybe not funds right word, but interesting for sure. I hope you're enlightened. I hope you are in light off. And we can help you out of this your call to please call me at please. Don't call me. But do you guys have anything you want to plug you want to plug your podcast any socials that you want to you want to check out Greg Cox c o u p l e b o t s on some socials or Twitter towards the most fun Twitter is the most fun. You are wild on Twitter. Actually, he's going to follow if anything else. That's that's your that's your pug. Okay and Brian do you want to give your your podcast a shout out with some plugs socials? Sure. Yeah. So again, I'm doing the TV trivia podcasts just questions about TV trivia. You can sign up on Facebook facebook.com TV. Trivia pod TV trivia pot on Instagram and Twitter the Gmail as well. Yeah, that's the right now covering the office right now. I'm working on trivia for Game of Thrones bruh. Start that soon. So yeah trying to switch it up and see how that goes awesome and fun fact. I was on Brian's podcast last week while I guess it hasn't released yet, but it was on it last week for season three episodes one through three actually and you get to see me struggle with some very some of them very easy and I just did not hit I think but some of them get pretty tricky they they have to get specific. If you're only covering a couple episodes, you know, it's very true. I mean definitely losing the bonus episode where I only get three out of ten or something so it's not great. So if you want to donate to Brian's patreon, feel free and check out that embarrassing moment of me. I don't have your cake here for the the first one. I I do have that three and half out of ten. Yeah. Yeah, you would slow in a separate track that one but not one not the one where I might have passed. All right everyone if you took this episode we love for you to subscribe right and give us a review on iTunes. 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Meraa Naama Chin Chin Chu

TheAbbie

04:53 min | 11 months ago

Meraa Naama Chin Chin Chu

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Ryan Seacrest Dyed His Beard and It's a PSA For All Men

On Air with Ryan Seacrest: The Post Show

04:40 min | 4 months ago

Ryan Seacrest Dyed His Beard and It's a PSA For All Men

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Hold Conditioning Questions: Stop Retrieving! | Ep: #58

The DogBone Pawdcast

29:33 min | 1 year ago

Hold Conditioning Questions: Stop Retrieving! | Ep: #58

"Welcome back guys were back. It's this is fifty eight podcast fifty eight. We just recorded podcasts. Fifty eight and we ended up cutting short if you hear a little bit a squeaking on my lap right now. It's because I've got a thirteen month old with one hundred and two fever and so part of the reason. Why we're we're doing what we're doing. And we just tried recording it work and this happened with the B and I had. I lost question that we were going to use all sorts of stuff going wrong and I thought you know what we've gotten some. I think it's important to understand that not always things go smoothly not always do things. I think. Some people think that training wise dog training with me in particular. I wake up in the morning. I have my coffee. And then I trained dogs until Steph gets home from work and then when that happens We've got the evenings and then I go to bed in the reality is is that boy that would be really nice. But it's so far from the truth. I think you know I had a message. Come to me this week because I I get a lot of facebook questions. I get a lot of instagram questions. You guys know that because we build the podcast off of a lot of them but I had a guy that was upset because I didn't respond back to them The first message. It was an eight hour window. He responded he was wanted. He questioned marked it. He sent me a question than eight hours later. He sent me a question mark and then he sent me another question. Mark Eight hours later and said I take that as a dull? This is the worst customer service I've ever seen. And so he just a real ranch and it Kinda pissed me off and so I responded back to explain to him. I said you know what nor did I ever say I get back to anybody real quickly. In fact I have made the point of saying it sometimes takes me. Awhile might take me a week or longer at times to get back to some of the questions and the reason is is explained to him was they were a real small company. We're real people in a baby's cry. We're we have a lot of things. Go on just like everybody else. I'll never use that as an excuse from never use it as a reason to say I can't do it. I get a lot of messages from folks that they start out with explaining why they can't train the dog because of their work schedule because of their families scheduled things that they've got going on in their life and so. I just want to show you today. It would have been very easy for me to say we're not going to do because Lillian. And you know ashes pissed because she's got one hundred and two fever and she sick and I'm not real happy either earlier before we deleted the message that we're going to use and that wasn't very good wasn't then from there we could come up with a million different reasons but we're not going to. We're going to tough it out. You'RE GONNA make it through. I found the question that I was. GonNa talk about you. You been cuff and grab your plastic. No this kid doesn't use a nook anymore but she's sicker than a dog and we'll see if she would it might she might use. It doesn't used it in a long time. But we're going to try it and it seems to work a little bit so we get a creative a little bit. I don't give we haven't she hasn't had a Nook for weeks now. We're GONNA see if she and I don't WanNa go back to the nook but that's just part of it. So here's here's dog training relation you know sometimes in the training things. Don't go that well and I gotta figure out ways to get back to where we need to be so sometimes I take a dog. That's fourteen months old and I turned it into treat it like it's a twelve week old puppy and go back and I figure out. Okay how can I short something up? How can I fill a hole in wherever it is in our training? Well right now. How do I get a podcast done with the baby? That's not feeling good on my lap. I'm going to go back and I'm GonNa let her suck on this thing if that helps her because she doesn't feel very good and that's okay to take steps back and that's okay for me to do something that I normally would say. No I don't want to do that. I might just have to so earlier before we recorded this and we deleted the intro to before on accident but we talked about dealing with a lot of the stuff that's in our regular everyday life and the reality of nobody's got the perfect schedule so I preempt this one with the idea of maybe you just need to hear me say it sometimes Maybe you need to hear somebody say. We don't care about excuses we all have. We all have issues. We all have things. We all have schedule conflicts. We all have lots going on. There's nobody I know today. That doesn't have a lot going on the only people who don't have a lot going on our people that are recently retired. It seems and I'm just jealous someday. I'll be there but I also we can. We create a Lotta these things going on ourselves. Some of it is out of your control but a lot of the stuff that we're doing is by choice so at times we have to step back and go you know what. I want to be very busy if I wasn't busy. Then what so? It's not always the worst thing so but we're going to. We had her. We had this question before. And it's a miracle it's come back to us and I think God works in Weird ways you know. I was really pissed ten minutes ago. I give Ben a real stink guy look when I looked at him and he said he deleted it didn't they. He's smiling about it now. I am too little bit but I was pissed because things just weren't going good and I had a few other things today. That just hasn't been going very good. I just got an email that says our website got hacked. So you know I got that on the back of my mind so all this stuff and I realized you know what? There's a lot worse things out there and all of a sudden. I look on my instagram Phone here and the question that we thought deleted and I blamed it on Lillian Because I can blame anything on her. She's thirteen months. What is he going to say? I thought she deleted? It just came back and so we've got it and we're gonNA talk about it. We're GONNA talk a little bit of a whole conditioning here. I'm going to read you his question the reason we're doing instagram. Because we just did a promo on podcast number fifty six. I posted it and it was a facebook question as well as fifty seven as a facebook based off facebook questions as well and I got a message direct message right away on instagram. It's just say posted Promo. Do you not take questions on instagram. I take a lot of them. I had seven of that run answered here in the last twenty four hours. So I'm working on getting back to those but I'll tell you right now. It's not going to be any time real soon but I will get back to everybody but accidentally deleted that one. Well now. It's so we're going to like I said I think God sometimes puts things in our lives and we don't understand why then all of a sudden he reminds view of what he he's there he's got my back as well. Here's my question. So how did Jeremy? I'm out of Idaho working with my chocolate lab doc. He's fourteen months old my first dog and I'm training him for waterfall upland and shed hunting. We're in the process of whole condition. You right now. I wish I would have started it sooner but I was afraid of the process and unsure of how I wanted to do it. I watch a lot of youtube videos and have the foundation DVD. I started whole conditioning two to three weeks ago and and have done it every day. My dog does not take to hold condition very well. My dog does not take the whole conditioning bureau where he will and I wish I could go back and do things earlier on that would have made this process easier anyway. My dog is getting fairly good at keeping his chin up. But he's a chomper also. I have been using the wooden doll. I don't worry about fixing the champion. Do I were only worry about fixing the chomping before the proper head position or vice versa or both I have monon elevated surface with the lead in with a nail for now thanks for all the videos and content on content. Please keep it up now. That's a question that we're going to talk about then. We had another question that we started talking about when I lost this question. And it's a whole conditioning question too and that one was related to the idea of dog won't take take the. Dowell from his hand so we'll talk about that one next but let's talk about this first so he brings up a really good point night. It's been something that if you're watching her bell good series which are Bella. Be Good series is on Youtube dog one hundred Youtube and it's documenting this puppy from twelve weeks on we're up to episode forty forty five something like that. It's been posted. Now we've got sixty some filmed. We're a couple of weeks behind the posting of when we actually film him but it's relatively live training within a couple of weeks when we train so you're seeing this process and you're seeing the good the bad and the ugly. Well I HAVE NOT HOLD CONDITION BELLY AT BELLAS. Almost going to be eleven months in in about a week. She'll be eleven months. I haven't hold conditioner. I have had dogs that I haven't hold condition at this age. She's probably getting out there a little bit far. I've had some that. I had to hold condition as young as seven months. I do think they have to get through teething. I just answered a couple of questions about this via facebook messaging back and forth. But I do think you gotta get them through teething. There's no reason to hold condition before that. But he brings up this point of what he wishes. He started this process earlier and made it easier on them for. This is for anyone who's got a young dog out there. If you're listening to these podcasts take this and if you're watching the BELVA good series focus on a few things that are really really valuable one of them with Bella is. We've tapped into what she does very naturally in that is. She has one of the best natural deliveries. I've ever had out of any puppy so consequently I haven't had hold conditioner yet. The reason I haven't is because she's giving me no reason to. I went borderline couple times back and forth because we did get into this idea of a longer retrieve when she started making longer retrieves she'd really get her momentum going when she comes back and she'd fly by me and so. I thought about fixing withhold conditioning at that point but what I did was I said. Nah I'm not quite. I don't know that need to just yet and so I- backed up to a fence. A couple of times backed up to a barrier and as she came in that slow down and from that. She's transitioned really nicely. She's made some really good adjustments so I haven't had to get her hold conditions to make a delivery. She holds very well. I encourage it. I've encouraged it from the very beginning with her. And that is what this guy is wishing he had done and I wish he had to because his life would be a lot easier. But you gotTA understand so if you've got these puppies prior to the point where you're going to be hold conditioning. Maybe eight nine ten range do everything. You can to encourage positive delivery. He don't turn this into create a big problem and then try to fix it. I think a lot of times. That's too often. What happens in training is and I see it and I'm not trying to bag on other ideas and theories and philosophies that training because I think there's lots of different ways to do it. I'm not seeing how I hate seeing how not to do it. I don't like telling people how they should or shouldn't you shouldn't do it or I like to do is show you how we do it. And and because I've I find success with the way we do it now. I make mistakes and we run into issues and we have to deal with them. And nothing is foolproof but one of the things that I see and have an issue with is the philosophy of let the puppy do a lot of stuff wild rambunctious create negative things or bad habits undesirable traits and then figure on fixing them later with a lot of force to me. That is not the way to go about this. Instead of void the habits from the start it makes your life a whole lot easier so when it comes to bad delivery when it comes to issues that full conditioning will work on and fix avoiding them is fixed for that the justice because somebody's gotten tired of this is an attention span. Gave her something new. It was for a little while. And it's not so good anymore so we gotta make an adjustment here. He want this offer an offer all sorts of stuff to keep her quiet. But so with this question here then we might have to find something else to go jerry cans. Maybe let's see what we can give her. Would you like to play with this there? That might get us a couple of minutes. So He's got down here that he so I'm preempting lots of stuff off a whole condition. 'cause conditions topic that's huge and can be. It can be talked about in a lot of different ways hold conditioning. We have a free whole conditioning video on our website. You can download it and you can view it for free. It was part of our shed. Dvd originally because we had it as part of the DVD while the DVD got so long. Here's over three hours long. This part of it was over an hour and we said let's just turn it into individual video on its own and offer it for free and the reason we did. It was because whole conditioning. Is that important? You have to do it with your retrievers in order to have success in the end but so that's available on our website. Just go the videos. It's under whole commissioning now. He's I think and I don't know that. He says he saw that but he says he's got the foundation. Dvd which is important hold conditioning. Maybe it's something that our recommend to him but so one of the things about whole conditioning is I don't think it's a black and white process either just like anything else with dog training. I think there's lots of fluidity fluidity with it. Meaning you can go back and forth you can. There's no like rigid step. One step two step three step four. Be Day one day. Two doesn't work that way. It's going to depend on where you're starting depend on the dog. It's going to depend on all these different variables so one of the things that I need to get. Make a point of this one is one of the things he's asking me is do you worry about chomping before the proper head position or vice versa and I need I need to change the mindset of don't sequence this thing out so meticulously don't break it down into the step-by-step thing what you need to do? Get THOSE KEYS. Benway what you need to do. Is We have a big overall picture that we need to meet here. And how are we going to get? They're not sure exactly so I don't have the answer. Unfortunately for you of that exact question what I do think you need to do. Is You need to be working on all this stuff based on necessity or need now. His issue right now is chomping. It sounds like my dog does not take the whole to hold conditioning very well and I wish I could go back and do things earlier. That made the process easier anyways. My Dog's getting fairly good at keeping his chin up but he's a chopper so I'm listening to that. Okay sounds like you're I'm assessing this like I would based on reading it. How would if our visually so I look at it and I go heads up? Pretty good chomping is the issue. So what do we need to work on? It's a lot like the guy in the gym. That has a big upper body in little chicken legs. If he goes to the gym every day all he does bench press. How is weaknesses going to be fixed? He's GonNa avoiding the stuff that he's not doing well so in this situation head is being held up pretty good but he's chomping so what I do. I'd work on fixing that chomping because I focus on the problem. That's holding me up the champion. Sounds like it's holding you up so what I need to do is I need to get up underneath the chin. Infirm it up and I need to change my and so watch the video on hold conditioning go to our youtube channel and what search hold conditioning on our youtube channel. I've got dozens of videos of different dogs. Some of them we firm up by putting up in I've got we've got actually more recorded to Talking about figuring out where we're GONNA put those but so that's another reason to subscribe to youtube channel so when new stuff gets put up you get notification you can see we've got so much information and we're working on some pretty exciting things right now to bring the Youtube so I do recommend that that subscription but if you've got a dog that's chopping and holding its Chin up nicely you need to work on stopping the trump so firm that up get your hand up under the Chin. Hold the change the tone to get a change and then when things start to get better with that maybe as Chins GonNa come down. So then what are you GonNa do? We're GONNA work on his Chin Chin backup but if you fix the chopping and now the Chin goes down you go to fixing the Chin getting the Chin up is viewed it if you did a good job fixing the chomping. The champion should be kind of faded away. Gone away now. You Work on getting the Chin Up. So you're basically just kind of checking things off the list of what needs to be worked on. And then addy whatever's holding you up fix it whatever's going well don't go backwards with if possible but what what this process is ticket? Step take a step ticket step two cups forward. Maybe step back a couple of steps forward a couple steps back a couple of steps forward. Maybe step back eventually. You're just slowly nibbling at the process fixing where the weaknesses are sometimes at some point. You're going to get to the situation where you can ask the dog to move its feet. This is a big one. Dogs are GONNA have to move feet and sometimes these dogs create like the statue effect where they can't move feel paralyzed because we worked so hard on them not moving their head. It translates down to their feet and they don't WanNa move their feet. I run into this a lot. Tito Tito won't move. He he'd hold beautifully like a statue but he won't move his feet so we had another dog that we had elsa same thing we had to move her feet she wants step across. One of the dogs won't step across from one freezer to the other. If you don't know what I'm talking about freezer wise watch some videos. I do it up on an elevated platform. I use freezer but I couldn't get the dogs to walk so for a while there. I forgot about hold conditioning. I didn't even put a dowell in the dog's mouth or a bumper. The dog's mouth. I just worked the dog walking back and forth on top of the of the freezers. That was part of my whole conditioning with that dog. Didn't have anything in. Its mouth at the time it was. Just move your feet under control and get comfortable stepping across this little elevation change as soon as they did that because that was what was holding them up as soon as they did that. I went back to putting something in their mouth. And then we worked on moving them with something in their mouth and it wasn't across the gap to begin with. It was just take a step wasn't take five steps. That was take one or half or move your feet or stand up and not have to sit down and have your girl. It's all these little baby baby incremental steps that we slowly fix whatever the one issue is. That's holding us up and then go back but it's so the point of this is don't look at it as should. I do this first or that. I you need to work on everything you need. What you need to do is not allow the crippling spot. The part that's paralyzing you to end your training you need to focus on fixing that. Because that's what's stopping the show and then when you get that fixed go back to adding another layer another layer. So that's the answer on that one. Now I'm going to go back here because see if I can quickly find. There was another question so this is another question. Different guy been using your tactics in my lab. It's going to be more than shits here. Let's see if you want to play with that for a little bit and so it doesn't really matter what your end goal is sheds birds Whatever they're picking up any type of retrieve hold as the process that polishes and creates solid delivery. So do it doesn't matter says says we've been going at it for about a week and he won't drop it until I tell him too. So I guess the icy progress. I just can't get him to want to grab it. I've had to open his mouth every time he'll begin to start wanting to will he start begin to start wanting to grab it. Or what should I be doing? It hasn't carried over to bumpers in dummies at all. And he's still dropping a few feet short emmy so first off the biggest thing that stands out to me with this one is. There's a couple of things first thing is is. You're retrieving if he's still dropping short of you and you're a week into it you. You're retrieving and you're not through hold conditioning. So that's the biggest. No no of off. You stop retrieving. One hundred percent during the whole conditioning process figure six weeks and I tell people that because usually it'll take a little bit last and you'll you'll be happy about it. Where if I say it takes four weeks and take six or pissed so it's GonNa take a long time. You're not gonNA make retrieves. You cannot make retrieves during this process. It's this idea of you gain something and then you erase it at the end if you're GonNa make retrieve and he doesn't deliver it. Well everything you did in the sessions leading up to the point where the dog makes a bad retrieve and delivers sloppy runs off makes a victory. Lap dropped short blinks at it. Whatever the issue is that. You're trying to fix as soon as they do it. You've erased all that you've gained in training to that point regarding hold conditioning. And you're back to square one so no retrieving. That's the biggest thing. Stop retrieving do not test whether or not you're there because you're not you'll know when you're there but the thing about the idea of the dog wanting to pick it up who cares. I don't care that a dog doesn't reach them. None of my dogs reach out and grab it out of my hand. I don't in fact. I don't really want him to the idea of that. I think comes from a misconception of Ho force fetching hold conditioning. In the differences there are four. Stretching is the process that we don't do in that process where they're teaching dogs to reach grab stuff aggressively. Pick things up. I can see doing that if you have a dog. That doesn't retrieve if you have a dog that doesn't retrieve. It's not a retriever. And probably not working with anyway. Ninety nine percent of the dogs have no issues. Picking stuff up. It's delivering that. They have a problem running out and grabbing something for Retriever is bred into them. And it's not even just retrievers most dogs you throw something they'll chase it and pick it up that's for Natural Predator prey. That's nothing that you've taught I had guy told me. He trained his dog this week on the phone. He's eight and a half ago. Puppies already trained to retrieve you didn't change shit. Had Dog knew how to retrieve you. Just got the you just set the dog. The dog did what he does naturally. So there we're not training them to retrieve we're polishing the delivery withhold conditioning. I have no interest in June when they're real young. I want to get him through teething. They're knocking we're going to do this. I have one person that message me this week. On hold conditioning had a nine month old that it was terrible. Terrible terrible retrieving and they wanted to know what they should do. And I said you know if it was a six or seven month old dog that was just finishing up teething. I wouldn't say hold conditioning. Instead say getting a hallway. Close the doors and try to get a few retrieves back to you. Take away all the opportunity for the dog to run free and get in trouble minimize the opportunities for mistakes. Just get the dog to run down the hallway. Pick it up bringing back no different than with eight week old puppy and that's what. I would have recommended at six months seven months old at actually. I think the dog is a little bit older. Might have been closer to a year old and it was like no retrieve whatsoever and they were just continuing to get worse and worse and I said. You have to stop this. Because you're so far down the wrong track. You're forming habits deeper and deeper and deeper into this dog that are negative is going to be way harder to reverse stop the retrieving. You need to go cold Turkey. You need to one hundred percent change the situation so that's different than you know so it does depend on age. It does depend on some things that you're doing but I don't care about the idea of I. Don't worry about the idea of dogs. Picking STUFF UP. It's bringing it back in not dropping it. It's not running off. It's not decide. Running out to it and blinking on it. Not Deciding. I'M NOT GONNA. I'm not GonNa make the retrieve this time. 'cause something more exciting. It's not victory laps. It's not tug of war and play chase and come and get me and keep away none of that stuff. That's where the whole conditioning value is. And so what I want to do is i. Don't care about the idea of having to put the dummy into the dog's mouth for this exercise what I don't want to have to the issue may come up is when you start retrieving. If the dog doesn't go get it focusing on encouraging positive retrieve of positive delivery so in reinforcing it so I part of it is is because I've watched some tree good videos so I take away the chance for her to pound the table. Now she's mad again so I take away the opportunity for dogs to create bad habits early bell in particular and I really encourage the idea of that delivery and it was because of some of the influence that I had gotten. Some VIDEOS REESE. I watched some video One of them is Video on from the Kennel. Where Bellas Sire is it's called in. They have a training video and I watched that and I really focused on what they really put a big emphasis on a nice clean polished. Delivery and other one was a video series. Called life of a gun dog again. It was a symposium trainers that are in the UK. They walked through the life of a four puppies litter mates and those dogs. They put a huge emphasis on that delivery. And so I imagine probably going forward. I'm always adjusting my training styles going forward. I'M GONNA probably make a point of early on really making sure I focus on that making my life a lot easier when it comes to the hold conditioning process formally later down the road by really paying attention early so I'm putting that out there for his anyone who's got puppies. Go and watch what we're doing with Bela early on. Go and watch some of these other resources that are valuable. I think pick what works for you. I've watched I watched a over ten hours recently of videos of an American field trial guy. In the reason I watched it because I wanted to understand a little bit more of some of the stuff that they're doing in the reasoning behind it very little of applied to what I'm doing and so very little that I say oh man that I'm going to do that but I also understand why some of the things that they're doing why they're doing some things that are doing and I it's just doesn't fit for me and that's okay but I found benefit in that too I've I've couple resources we. We've talked about some resources before. I'm going to do a podcast. It's just about resources. Had just finished a book that maybe is real borderline may be the biggest impacting book that I've read not so much on tactics and mechanics and training a XS and Os but the theology part of it. One hundred percent really really powerful. Be Sharing that with you guys soon too but that those my partner my business partner here says you've got a lifelong learner. He told me the other day he said. That's what you're doing right now and I said. Yeah probably the point right now where. I'm I'm really seeking more information of searching out more information not necessarily because I questioned what I'm doing but I question the ability for me to not get stagnant in what I'm doing. I want to continue to improve. I have so much. There's so many things I want to improve on need to improve on so being aware of that and in recognizing that I think is important so that my the ease of what. I'm doing with Bella right now. From a delivery and hold standpoint. He's one hundred percent because of Very very heavily influenced because some of the stuff. I've watched recently of other trainers in some of the things that they put on it. So we're going to wrap this one ops we just. We talked on two two questions that came by instagram. The reason we did instagram because the question came up to answer questions. We certainly Lillian with one. Hundred and two fever. Says she's done with this podcast so I don't blame her I commend her. For digging through with me We've got one done. We're going to continue to crank on these. I just don't know how money we're going to get done today with. This is going on but thank you guys for listening. Thank you for understanding. Thank you for your patience. I think patience is the most underrated dog. Trainer can never have just having the patient. Stunner stand that takes me some time a little bit to get back to you not sending the hate me on it and I don't mind the heat skin and it's probably good for me here once in a while keeps me keeps me sharp. I guess but with that as she throws her toy across the table. We're going to end it. Thank you guys will keep cranking these out. Thanks for the support. We sure to leave us a review wherever. You're listening to podcasts. For the screaming in the background. Next time maybe Ben Whining. But it's the stamos Lillian. So thanks again guys. Talk with you soon

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Ep. 72: The Value of Carp, Colorado Wolves, and Papillon

Cal's Week in Review

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Ep. 72: The Value of Carp, Colorado Wolves, and Papillon

"I'm Joe Somali and I'm miles nolte and do you not take yourself too seriously when you fish because we short l.. So if you're interested in gleaming some nuggets of angling wisdom laced with obscure movie references and pointers on lures that haven't been popular since one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven tuned into bent join us every Friday morning for an audio dose of smelling salts to get you even more jacked up for your weekend on the water not only listening to bent one hundred percent guaranteed to not help you catch fewer fish it also. Probably won't help you get fewer dates. The bent podcast is presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, which is cool. Because not only does black rifle support the veteran and military community through sales of their totally delicious roast to order coffee. But did you know that founder Evan Hey for also used to be a fishing guide? Therefore, he understands that legit anguish thrive on coffee and subsequently. So do people that make podcast. 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That's why you should pick up some first lights news zip off long handles and remember when you check out at first light dot com, you can donate to awesome conservation groups. From Meters World News Headquarters in Bozeman Montana this CAL's weaken review with Ryan. Cow Gielen. Now here's cal. Great White Sharks have sex nice and they do it face to face or maybe Chin Chin outside of a little biting great white coitus. Depending on how you would look at it maybe not the reason he call them. Great. A great deal about great whites they take long time to hit sexual maturity males about twenty six years females about thirty three. They can live to almost seventy years of age making them. One of the oldest living cartilage fishes and at the tippy top of their weight class, they can be as large as five thousand pounds and twenty feet in length. They are the primary Predator of mammals in the ocean meaning. You don't want to be a co around great white yet where and how great whites may has been described in some academic circles as the holy grail for the reason that you cannot fully understand an animal if you don't know how they got to be. One theory is they migrate to mid ocean deep water, do their mating there, and then disperse across the ocean. This would explain the lack of intimate scenes in the iconic great white tail jaws and also jaws two through four for that matter. I'm kidding, of course, jaws is full of inaccuracies. The lack of a great white copulation seen one have corrected things even if it were done accurately. I observed off the coast of Nugget, point? Southland. Zealand by a COO researcher who described watching too great whites off sandbar things apparently started aggressively then eventually the pair slowly spun together belly to belly the observation lasted forty minutes the copulation. Time remains unknown. More recently in nineteen, Ninety, seven, a fisherman named alleger would this reporting done by the Guardian had witnessed the same event also very shallow on a spit of sand he described the rolling and rolling and rolling of to twelve thirteen foot sharks in about the same depth the water they appeared unfazed by the presence of ledger would and his boat he said, he probably wouldn't have been deterred either way to be Captain Ledger would it's to swimming with bowlegged women Although with only two sightings no photo or video documentation, we still don't know scientifically speaking exactly how great whites mate it does appear that we're getting closer and it does seem like if you're one of those people that have let's say, a bumper sticker that says great whites deep you may want to get rid of that. In all seriousness. The great white shark in their distinct populations are listed as threatened in certain parts of the ocean if we can determine where and of course, how these incredible sharks mate, we can protect those areas and ensure the longevity of the species. This week we've got expensive fish PSA's wolves and so much more but I I want to tell you about my week. My Week and this podcast is sponsored by steel power equipment if you're considering a new saw or tool to impose the will of man against the backyard elements. Choose steal you'll get a fantastic product made and sold by great people and you'll be supporting this podcast. That's a win win win scenario. As you may or may not know it is elk season that time of year where the elks scream grunt mu cry whistle whistle-stop and smash things including themselves in order to get the opportunity to reproduce on top of that madness birds like Hungarian partridge quail pheasants. Chucker grouse are all extra active trying to pack on pounds for the winter as our bare trout and are late maters. The deer of course is the cold starts to push down the cranes, geese, ducks, rails swans will come with fall is just the best time of year and the most painful. All good things happen in just a couple of months, and then there is you know the rest of the year. I'm very happy to report that with the production of two more batches a sausage. My freezer will once again be open for receiving. We did a thirteen pound batch, a white wine garlic Thai Basil, a ten pound batches sweet Italian a ten pound batch, Bachelor Gez, and I have another block about and twenty five to thirty pounds to go. what does one do with all of this sausage you may ask. I pretty much just give it away. It's the most expensive stuff in the freezer both in my time ingredients hogging lamb casings, the amount of time he got to wash thaw and dry everything, but it's also the most self explanatory. I can hand out neatly packaged sausage to non game eaters or folks who just can't cook and the end up. Happy. It's an odd cycle folks happy fall. I'm very excited and you know so a snort, the dog, she's still a puppy of course, but she'll be eventually a dog she's starting to turn into retrieving machine and I'm really excited to see what her first impressions a wild birds will be. Good luck out there and be courteous. Moving on to the public service announcement. Desk. Treading nail woods or walk in the fields or fishing or doing anything else outside you have probably come across one of the most despised bits of trash in the outdoors and noam not talking about surface poo I'm talking about latex or mylar balloons. That piece of sometimes deadly litter that floats away to parts unknown. I have picked up Solo lonesome looking balloons, balloons with best wishes and happy birthday on them both in English and Spanish. Even clusters of six to ten balloons in far removed places very few people have seen these clusters were in color combinations that somehow said I graduated from high school or College yet still not educated enough to hang onto a frigging balloon. There is no such thing as a good balloon recently, the University of Tasmania Australia set out to prove just that spoiler alert even the so called Eko friendly brands that boasted one hundred percent biodegradable and one hundred percent natural don't break down in soil to any degree after sixteen weeks in salt water, they'll gain a little mass. But in either case, they can still be consumed by our wildlife. Just stop buying balloon Te. If you need a replacement gift or gesture do as I do go is something that is edible or drinkable or handmade not something that under the best of circumstances ends up in a landfill within twenty four hours. There are better ways to spend that hard earned dollar folks like investing maybe in carp. Next up but sticking with PSA's. Desk. Don't start fires. Washington state has not day dramatic increase in human caused fire as California and Oregon anecdotal observations are pointing to first time campers in the woods, but let's be honest careless careless, and if you look at what is going on in the West right now, fire wise. A lot of this could have prevented. The US Forest Service already reports that over eighty four percent of wildland fires are human caused, and that number isn't even taking into account this year's fires. On a related note, the National Parks Observer reports in Arizona. Man's plea deal of over fifty three thousand dollars plus community service after his attempt to burn his toilet paper in the Grand Canyon, which caused a sixty four acre burn within the park. Part of the plea agreement for the seventy two year old man is to help educate visitors on the dangers of burning your toilet paper, which definitely suggests this person is a retiree or just has a heart of gold. When it comes to the national parks, I know the desert landscape is delicate but I would suggest a lighter sentence. If the cooper trader here is actually willing to do this, can you imagine the conversation? Hey kids. Let me tell you why you should burn toilet paper. Why were you burning toilet paper well. It's going to be a learning experience and very impactful. In all seriousness campfire really isn't necessary to enjoying your time outdoors for the majority of the year. If not all of the year if the conditions are ultra-dry windy or you are just unsure go without, don't drive your vehicle and tall grass or off designated roads and don't smoke. Moving onto the investment desk. This segment brought to you by Monica, Jones of Edward. Jones I'm just kidding Monica is a financial planner. She isn't hip on this subject I mean I'm not even sure if that's true actually she just may be playing coy that's right kids. It's time to pick up a fishing rod, grab some Bait Balls and invest your time and carp why a Koi carp sold for one point eight, million dollars rice farmers started raising Koi to help clean their rice fields and eat eventually. I think because of lack of anything better to do the farmers took more interest in them and started selectively breeding them for ornamental purposes known as living jewels these Koi are hand. Selected starting with millions of tiny fish that the farmer then has to whittle down to a manageable number. Some farmers raise only thousand fish year, but they get their through a grueling selection process, the fisher fed a special high-quality diet and kept in the cleanest water. All of this ideally produces a nice glow even distribution of spots and colors red and white are particularly sought after as well as a nice shape breeders keep meticulous track of their lineages making Koi, breeding extremely similar to dog breeding. For instance, there are two hundred registered dog breeds in one hundred and seventy coy breeds. Maybe this is something I'll look into when Koi can bring a bird back. One point eight million dollars is the biggest price tag to date but Koi routinely go for thousands, tens of thousands, and of course, much more sure these Fisher coddled that's a fish pun for you. But these fish are still carp. You know the same ones we shoot or occasionally flip up on the bank just aside known for those that are interested the one point eight, million dollar car sold at nine years of age. So you WANNA plan ahead. Here's the thing about home security companies. Most trap you with high prices, tricky contracts and the lousy customer support. 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With hunting season starting soon, make sure you have the year you need to process and prepare your meat at meat eater. We've been using west equipment for years. I have far too much western equipment meet lugs, Meat Trays Grinders, stuffers slice irs. I use it all the time back sealers vacuum bags. It's probably a little ridiculous but extremely useful western products you take control of your harvest. So you know exactly what's going on in your freezer from grinder slicer saw all the stuff I just mentioned they got stuff for everything. They have all the stuff you need to get going this season and this season in particular if you're the type of folks that typically take your stuff to processor, it may be really hard to find one this year I know a lot of processors are backed up with domestic meats and they may not get to wild game processing at all this year. So if you need a little kick in the butt, check out west and products views the Special Code Meat Eater, twenty-five for twenty five percent discount at western brands. Dot Com. That's W. E. S. T. O. N. BRANDS DOT COM code meat eater twenty-five. Get in the processing game, you'll be glad you did. Moving on and back to the state of Colorado. Desk and they're ongoing wolf. Debate. Simply put will Colorado seek to reintroduce wolves to the state or take a hands off approach and see if the handful of wolves that have already wandered into the state we'll start to reproduce and spread on their own. The goal in either case would be to have a genetically viable healthy wolf population. In other words, wolves will be in Colorado where we're arguing over as how and on what timeline genetically viable is a number. That is arguable. It could be as low as one hundred wolves or as high as two hundred, fifty wolves. As we have covered a couple of times now I am pro nature take its course. You know just like in Jurassic Park or those darned dynamos were engineered to be infertile but life finds a way Mike, Phillips is a consultant for the Rocky Mountain Wolf Action Fund and the Rocky Mountain Wolf Project both pro reintroduction. The latter being wolf education focused as opposed to rule free introduction lobbying legislation focused Mike has a long list of Bona Fides. He's a biologist who has worked on wolves and reintroduction of wolves for some forty years. He is pro reintroduction and his name is mentioned in almost every article on this subject. So I reached out to him to ask how can we reintroduce something that is already there and what the heck is the benefit to reintroducing wolves, which is a subject can get in a fight in all sorts of ways along the rocky mountains. Question one what is a population according to the federal endangered species? act. which if you've been paying attention, the trump administration has asked to delist the gray wolf in the lower forty eight. The Gray Wolf has been above its population objective for years now and is currently delisted. In Montana, Wyoming and Idaho section ten J of the endangered. Species Act allows for reintroduction of a species only when the species in question does not have two or more reproducing populations for a period of two years, which Colorado officially does not the current pack located in Colorado isn't even officially a pack a wolf. PUP survey is going to take place this spring to see if pups are present if they are, and my gut says, there will be that is only one population the other factor to consider in section ten J of the Endangered Species Act, and I found this interesting. So pay attention is that they re introduced species needs to be geographically disconnected from members of the species already within the state. The reason for this is, and obviously Colorado is our example here. The current wolves living in Colorado are protected by both state and Federal Endangered Species Act reintroduced wolves would be managed by the state. These two populations separate would allow for separate management plans, which more or less brings us to question two. How could this be a good thing and for those of you in areas of Colorado where the elk numbers are falling largely due to there being too many Dang people and trails in the woods and e bikes and snowmobiles and back country skiers, hikers, hunters, horseback riders never given these animals break. The answer according to Mike is this and keep in mind that this is being slightly interpreted by yours. Truly. If we set the table with our wolves that lacked the federal endangered species act protections. Then the management of those wolves will be much less restrictive to the various user groups and interests hunters to hikers to ranchers. Now, that means the Wolf Management Plan will likely piss everyone off ideally somewhat equally. If the as soon as they crossed the state line endangered wolves keep slowly building their own numbers in the state. The various interest groups could potentially be hindered by their presence more severely for a longer period of time. That's why interests fight like hell to keep animals off of the endangered species act the human obstacles to Natural Wolf Migration into Colorado are many in this is obviously a human tolerance issue I still love the idea of these animals doing it on their own. It is a much cooler story I. also think of how we treat our animals in accordance with their labels varmint ferber. Endangered Big Game Small Game Upland game for instance, if you are a Turkey hunter pheasant hunter. Quail Hunter Rainbow Trout, any SORTA trout, Fisher elk hunter. You can't really look anyone in the eye and say you're anti reintroduction of a species. You do however have a say in how these animals get there. The vote to reintroduce wolves in Colorado is proposition one, fourteen Mike Phillips does admit that much like in Jurassic Park life if given enough space and time, we'll find a way. But in this case and in his opinion, it would be two steps forward and one step back for a long time. Pal. Next Stop the Florida Desk. Remember when teenage mutant turtles were just pizza eating sewer dwelling superheroes. Now, biologists with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission are showing off their own near mutant one hundred pound may also Wani alligator snapping turtle caught with a hoop net trap in the new river north of Gainesville there were actually three of these crazy looking reptiles found including a forty six pound female and another male way in at sixty four pounds researchers estimate that the trio is anywhere from forty to eighty years old what do they look like? Well, if you're a star wars fan, I'd say, Java the hut with a shell. These snappers which were first discovered in two thousand fourteen and are now classified as endangered sports. Scary. Looking beak like jaws a thick spiked shell in Girthy Tales folks have taken to calling them the dinosaur of the turtle world, which makes sense because they'd be at home in your local natural history. Museum. Next to the right fossils up until recently, it was believed there was only one species of the largest freshwater turtle in North America but now researchers have another to study. Alligator snapping turtles aren't all looks though they hunt was a cool ambush technique. They sit motionless while presenting a Bright Pink Verma form appendage on the very tip of their tongue to draw in pray the inside of their mouths are camouflaged. So before long snap and his lights out their power is impressive easily snapping a broom handle so you can imagine what would it do to your finger her toes despite that Power the worry with the swannee breed is that the new river which comprises the bulk of their limited habitat is a blackwater stream with low biological productivity. Basically, we got big turtles and small stream any major pollution event or further creep of habitat loss can do a number on them. Here's hoping that shining a spotlight on these incredibly cool critters will give them plenty of room to move slowly into the future. Next up from the very seldom I swear visited adult filmed. Ask who says the porn industry doesn't care about nature. I mean who says that really probably nobody ever but I've got no idea how to introduce a story about a scrotum frogging lake. TITICACA and a porn site that's raising money to save. I'll pause here to let you make your own jokes before we move on. Do. You get that all out of your system. Good. All right. Let's face the facts in honor of national, Wildlife Day on Friday September Fourth Webcam. Porn site I am live launched a fundraising campaign to save the so called Scrotum Frog, a South American amphibian that looks like those loose skin pouches that holds a man's testicles. Why here at I am live we care deeply about the environment and our towed l. e. excited about helping the preservation of wildlife said, Adrian Stoneman I am live vice-president. We're asking our whole community to turn their attention to and help save a different type of scrotum a majestic species that wants swelled in numbers within lake Titicaca before commercial industries initiated their demise. That's a quote. Sure. This is a silly publicity stunt, but it's also going to make some money to impact the recently endangered telmo Tobias Julius, commonly known as the TITICACA water frog. The species is known for its large size, and for the many folds increases in its skin that make for an appropriate comparison to the testicular sack. The International Union for the conservation of nature recently reported and approximately eighty to ninety percent decline of the species from nineteen, thousand, nine, four, two, thousand, four conservationists know that this frog is an indicator species, which means it is key to the lake, Titicaca region between Peru and Bolivia. Like. Let's you know if things are good or bad. The scrotum frog is essential to ecological health in the thirty two, Hundred Square Mile Lake in the Andes in two, thousand, nineteen, the. Changed the frog status from critically endangered to simply endangered. Mean eighteen year old porn site can't help. I am live. As money for the Denver Zoo, which is in the middle of a long fight to save these frogs I know you're wondering how the porn site is going to raise the money. The site held a wild animal seemed digital party over Labor Day weekend, and then gave five percent of the proceeds to zoo. In the long list of things he can't make up about this story. The party included live chats with women and various animal outfits. They dubbed it quote scrotal recall. My work is done here. I'm moving on before. I do if you find errors in the story sure the fact of the matter is research was limited by the fact that I only have a work computer. Nice. Moving on to a warm and fuzzy for this week's podcast. Italy's famous breakout. Bear Papillon has a story worthy of the Shawshank Redemption, the three hundred and sixty eight, pound four year old brown bear also known as m forty nine has become well known across Europe after multiple escapes from his enclosure at the Alpine. Animal. Care Center Kasteler, which calls itself a true haven for injured and sick wild animals that beyond didn't just stroll out of the center either time on July twenty seven. He somehow got through multiple reinforced barriers in his nine thousand square meter enclosure and. Even, removed a radio collar that he'd been wearing after a separate escape attempt about a year ago. It was this I escape whereas legend started to grow. He's affectionately named after the central character of the autobiographical novel by French writer and escaped convict Henry on re shower. Yea. It said that papillon scaled three electric fences and a thirteen foot wall to make it out before spending two hundred, eighty, nine days on the lamp. When he was finally captured returned, he was castrated in a bid to calm him down. That to me sounds like prison colony stuff. So it's a fair comparison. It didn't work just two months later he authored his most recent escaped and fled into the nearby mountains this time like some wild west outlaw that beyond headed dead or alive bounty on his head authorities said, he was responsible for multiple livestock killings and numerous intrusions into homes, shelters, and other buildings confirming the dangerous behavior towards humans. Luckily, for him, the bear was captured and covert trap last week and is now back in captivity animal activists aren't happy with this result and are calling for the bear to be released. And monitored. They say he has no threat to the Public World Wildlife Fund Italy claims that in forty nine is not a danger to humans and has shown little aggression that seems like a pretty blue sky notion especially if you're a local homeowner with a giant Brown bear digging in your trash, but this is a famous bear with the name he even has a fan club. So as we've seen with other famous predators like seasonal, the lion happy owns life and death are destined to be controversial. Trent does. Governor. Mateo. Interrupted Council meeting to deliver the news of the bears latest escapade he said through a spokesman, the fence was fortified, and despite that, he was able to break through the very resistant fans that was partially electric. He had a desire to escape stronger than a six thousand volt fence. The problem is he is too wild and has a strong instinct to return to the forest. He's stated the sadly obvious reality here. But for now, we'll just have to sit back and wait for the next mission. Impossible style papillon escape stay tuned. That's I've got for you this week as always. Thanks for listening. Please let me know what I'm doing right what I'm doing wrong and most importantly what's going on in your neck of the woods by writing in to A. S. K. C. A. L. that's asked cow at the meat eater dot com I'll talk to you next week.

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Episode 0b1 Your Face Here

You Did What Now?

18:39 min | 1 year ago

Episode 0b1 Your Face Here

"I'm sorry do I'm afraid I can't do that. What you're scientist was so preoccupied with whether or not they could they created a podcast where we just stories and science lions in tech and make us ask exactly that everyone thinks for listening on your host Stephanie Educator and Science Aficionado and on my co programmer in Tech Guy so Stephanie Today? We're going to talk about a little article that went viral will experience went viral. There's a lot of articles about it. Specifically there was a jeff loop passenger that was boarding her flight and instead of somebody taking her boarding pass. Basically she looked at the camera and the scans are to do. Did you hear about this anything about this. So it's facial recognition mission stuff instead of forty past you end the boarding pass they look at it. They SORTA haphazardly last uses. You have ideas this your I._D.'s. You look like that. I guess I get on the plight. She just looked at a camera and a couple of seconds later up. That's you go on the plane and this if you're out a little bit because who was is verifying are wears her data going who has her face on record well okay so which airline was this again this was low but apparently it's being used by Delta and a couple of others as well okay so facial facial recognition they have they know what we look like and they have a program that can just scan are face to make sure that it's actually us that's boarding the plane right yeah and some of this might be that she's just the switch which from technology to an agent but crypt her out a little bit so what did she do. She get on the plane. Oh Yeah Force. It sounds like it is the future but honestly I got on board with this technology. When I got my iphone last fall I have a facial she'll recognition to unlock it and so when I first got the phone with setting up the password it was like do you want to use facial recognition? Of course I do and then it took my photo. There's like it scans your face and then I realized that forever forever more apple now has my face signature but it was already too late. Yes already too late well here radically. They only need to have that information on your phone but I'm sure Apple. Has It in the cloud database. Can you use it across devices. Can You <hes> I don't know if you have a Mac book or whatever Ah the other apple products are those the same technology same scan not at this time not that I know about but I'm sure that that could be an option the future yeah so. Where did they face from Raleigh? Got It from the government. You know the Department of Security has a database say they're already looking you up. They already have this stuff. They have your passport owner. They had presumably your your driver's license photo so really they're not. You're not giving them more information but they are using it and they are. I mean you're ordering borderie registered on that flight. You are a person that is going to fly that fight. They know who you are. This is just I guess this is more verification than just an agent at the door but again. This is the government tracking you with facial recognition so. Does she did she have to look right at a camera though for it to like scan her or via the days where you know you can just walking in an airport and the cameras that are around you can quickly scan your face just as you walk by and there's someone monitoring who's who's in the airport every now every day well. That's a lot of data. That's everybody in the opera bud everybody's going through narrow tunnels. Everybody goes through security every go suzy indoors every stands at the baggage carousel everybody's too. It's not that hard choose Ganyu this this was she had to look at the camera and it was a specific warning process but that's because that was the process. This is boarding. We're going to scan your face instead of looking at your I._D.. The there's no reason they can't scan you from abroad and you know zoom cameras in resolution role that maybe maybe you're in a crowd and they can get you but again you're going through the same doors and the camera can scan you and who knows how many more images of you have they probably do now. She's just taking his picture. That's another data point that they can put them database. Okay this. She boarded. It looked like this on April twenty nineteen. We've got another scanner for now. They've got more data. They can get a correct next time. They've got who knows what they can do with it. Okay so this sounds I mean it doesn't sound too scary. It just sounds like something that was inevitable so anyways. That's what's the problem you think yeah I mean I'm not sure what what problem is besides that there's just more data out there that the government has that you know her. Tweet is basically she's asking did facial recognition replaced boarding passes S.'s unbeknownst to me and did I- consensus she out did she consensus. Is it okay for them to scan your again. Your image is different than than looking at the pink linen agent looking at your picture. It's all variations of the same Ayn questions that I guess not. Everybody's still comfortable with is your who's looking at your data and who's not who's looking at your face right. I is it accurate somebody. I don't see how anybody would impersonate you in this case. I feel like it's in this particular instance. It's a little a bit more but but that's a little bit more protective secure but again that's the lie that they tell us you're giving up your freedom. Your data your personal information in order for some sense of security for Cincinnati Freedom is it actually true does is giving the government access to your facial scans. Dear biometric scans to all this stuff is at worth though slight chance that somebody might take a picture of themselves on a boarding pass and skin their own image over the yours and they got your your name and their image. That's unable to board a plane to do exactly what it seems farfetched and we're giving them all this information for what right I guess that would be the next question is how hackel is this. How easy would it be for someone to insert their the image for your image and now they assume your identity I would guess just given the quantity of the data because now you've got multiple scans? They'd have to rebid have to know every time you order. They'd have to the Algorithm. I I feel like it'd be almost impossible. Well to replace your image hard. Any would have been say two years ago to walk into an airport with a ticket with somebody else's name that you know his boarding a flight and your own image on the documentation and show them you know a fake I._D.. With your image in their name so so in that sense maybe it's more secure but again that's it's such a stretch if somebody's going no you're fine no when you're buying your flight information and what exactly are they doing on that plane. They're still presumably other security preventing them from doing any damage or they just stealing your flight aid because they want to go somewhere. I did actually have that happen to me I had I have I fly jet blue. I used to when I still have money to vacation. I had a jetblue rewards card and I have Jabbour awards and I got an email like hey. Your rewards have been booked. You've been booked on a flight from Tampa to New York like no. No I haven't and I guess they were just using my points to steal a plight and seeing if they could. I don't even know how that would work. I still can't figure out how they were going to give my point to get fight with my name but that is what happened. Wow what's scary. It's somebody if they can do it. Somebody's GONNA figure out a way to steal your identity with your picture. Whether Wars you count whether it's difficult to do or not somebody will figure out a way and so I am a little bit maybe hesitant to put all of our trust into the system just to be highs. Maybe a lot easier for someone to hack into their database in replace their photo with yours as opposed close to the otherwise they would have to physically steal my passport and fake it in that way or have a physical passport of some way. I don't know if that's if that's what people are worried about. It is also maybe think about minority report. You remember this movie Yes yes. I remember that movie yeah so I think they did facial recognition to to set up personal advertising while you're walking down the street or done in the airport. Oh yeah that's coming regardless and that's probably the that's the right now. Okay whatever we're more secure getting on an airplane re years from now when you're walking into you know the they have corn and they're showing you the proper ads for the restaurants that they want you to eat at when you get to your destination they can fly little flying drones will come up to you advertising their products products based on your facial recognition right and it basically basically always know where you are because that's camera that hit you and Pingu and they will know where you are just drones at advertisers. I think facebook Dan Amazon Wade would make a lot of use out of this technology if they could get their hands on it oh if they already do. There's definitely some <hes> and I don't have that article up in front of me. I believe Amazon's already got their own facial recognition things that I believe they've caught a little bit of flack for four Navy providing the to the police Amazon has base now. Oh I'm sure Amazon has your face it. Just all your faces will Amazon has free web storage. They have a photo system. I don't use it because I already had my stuff in Google but they definitely. They have they've got Amazon. Web Hope Staying Amazon Databases Amazon Cloud Services. Maybe they don't have your face but chances are they probably have your face but anymore. It's more technology they have facial recognition technology and they can hook up to other databases other people let of databases of our faces that we probably don't even know about because they're not department of Homeland Security and we're not charging board a plane but just because I it's easy enough I have. I have a database of everybody I know I can go into my google photos and I can type grandma and I will get a picture. I will get every picture that I've ever taken it. I never uploaded of my mother and like recently this is my cousin and my aunt had taken a picture. We don't have a Lotta pictures together and I literally went into Google Botas night type surnames and I got every picture I've ever taken both of them together so I have this database. Google could access that database clearly. It's on their cloud. I it's not a stretch to think that this database could exist out there in a way that we don't know about that. People have linked it up to your Amazon I._D.. Or your apple idea your twitter twitter twitter handle sir well. So what can we do about it anything or we just have to go with it. Oh No we're screwed. Just accept it. All this stuff is going <unk> on every once in a while you get a tweet from like somebody like this. That's concerned like what is this actually means that a future and we're just like Oh that could be bad and then we just go about our business buying tacos from Amazon drones and I've seen these tattoos that people oh can get on their face and it it's like geometric designs that basically makes fate makes it impossible for the scanner to recognize your face. Have you seen this. I have not seen this. This seems like a biohacking. The thing is is a capture for your capture of your face. I'm just can't 'cause they're weird. I guess well that's interesting. It's a physical tax you that you can get on your face in its specific geometrical designs that just throws off the system. That can't scan it. This isn't can't scan Senate. If the touch you you know if there's like a some sort of image on your face I guess it tricks the forms in the contours of the tattoo probably trick the facial recognition that to into thinking all his Chin Chin down there just grow with all of that you can probably what's going on. I thought about things like that or since they scan your license plates I thought about it like should I put little like little those capture lines on top of my license plate so that the auto scanners scan my Liza play just know wherever they do. This stuff is happening saying same concept is license. Not your face but you're still you're basically your identity. I was going to work. <hes> cop pulled up behind me just 'cause I was blocking the police station. I just happened to be where I was and it auto ski he wasn't doing when he was lying around his phone probably the his car. The police car scan my license plate. Realize my registration was expired. He pulled me over it actually been two months because I had blanked on it and he told my car because <hes> you invited my card because reservations expired on the like I was just GonNa. Mark Levin inconvenient that was fun. Well okay so they have face and they can recognize our face at airports. It's supposed to make us safe but let's just hope they don't purposes this right so this. This article came out last week. I just this morning Joe's to sort of prep for talking to you there whether there's been updates on it basically the Department of Homeland Security says in four years pretty much be everywhere and that already there are have been. What does it say this two million people have already been using this technology on exit of airports to a ninety eight percent match which coupable was at twenty thousand people two hundred thousand people twenty thousand people have actually in ninety eight percent matched does not seem good? That's not good enough. No No it wasn't on board and a plane whatever you know two hundred people off to a big deal. Here's my idea okay yeah. That's just you're wearing glasses or whatever or you know you're black because again this these technologies were developed mostly I standard white tech guys and it does have inaccuracies for people of minorities or different appearances and well for every thousand people that go through the airport. Twenty of them are going to not be recognized right and then the airport again. That's fine you just look at their. I D although you get into that because it's already a racist system at it's not recognizing black people he's more black people have to be pulled aside to go through manual screening which is not exactly ideal but we're not talking about just airports here. This could happen anywhere so you're you're walking down the street and for whatever reason they're scanning you. Oh you match all snatch for a criminal. Let's on the loose and you get pulled over or worse because you squinted weird into each facial system that a two percent failure rate is not ideal so yeah absolutely Louis and what happens if your face changes in some way you know you grow older you grow beard get glasses or gain weight or lose weight is GONNA throw system. No probably not I mean for some but mostly mostly not better. They know what you're going to look like and presumably you're not gonNA go a long time without getting a scan somewhere that can update that system. He's not GonNa just compare one. It's going to be a facial map against you know hundreds of pictures you've you've scanned of your face over time so nose but again back to the Google photos. It knows what my kids looked like three years ago. It's always showing me hey remember three years ago when they were doing a similar thing and look how different they look now and it's changed a lot and it still seems go but it's the same person sure well right. Everybody posts their picture as soon as their kid is born in facebook knows that you have a kid. There's a person and they you know every time you post that photo it gets added to. There's some sort of algorithm or file that they have on that person so should we not be posting photos of our children online or does it even matter at this point but we're probably to God for most of us and people talk about that. I don't want my that cloud. I don't want everybody to know oh I don't want the algorithm snow the computer but you're withdrawing from society at this point. It's not it's not so much like maybe you're a little bit safer or maybe they don't have your data but I'm not sure what the game is. I think most of the time we were just missing out on whatever nobody else is doing and just going along with flow because that's what everybody else is doing is not the answer to life or happiness but I'm not sure that you're getting any tangible benefit by not putting your picture online. If you want your friends to see it building a profile Oh file up over the years whereas if you needed a profile can be used against you but aren't you for most of us. We're GONNA enjoyment out of. I enjoy seeing my friends kids. I enjoy sharing pictures of my kids. Playing t-ball and running around can like building a credit like in order to have good credit you have to have taken on debt and paid it off. You have to have credit cards to have good credit right and they want you to use those credit cards right like I have slightly better credit than my husband. The only reason in is because I have a few more credit cards than he does so if you could if we could get into the scam of credit cards now to dive but they want you to carry debt because that's how they make money so they a person with better credit they want to have you know they want you to have a little the death they know the payoff if you really had to but they'd rather that somebody's accumulated a little bit of interest rates here a little bit bears fan but like building your profile your facial profile over time. It's kind of the same way if you'd never if you never ever has a facebook account or never use a smartphone. Do you actually exist to the government. Hinault can well you don't if they don't have your faith in the system somewhere. They're not yet but maybe six years seven years from now. Maybe that'll be the case. I know who you are. You're going to this lion over here where we're going to grill you and ask you and that you provide information and all your mother and that's how you won't be able to get on the plane well. We're all GONNA have chips in our hands in a few years anyways that can like double check all of this so this is the road we're heading on whether we like it or not right. We just have to put into place some checks some semper <hes> protections for the consumer and it doesn't seem like anybody's really doing that because most of the people in charge of all this are those companies making technology so they don't really care. You're the customer this the adages if you're not paying for the service then you the art product like you don't pay for facebook so you are actually the product and facebook. They're trying to serve you ads and they're serving the edge of the customers and you are being served to be add to the advertisers and that's kind of true in a lot of ways rate. This is where we going lane. Get onboard or don'ts. This is where we're going. Just give into your robot overlords. It's it's inevitable. Thanks Michael Everyone yes so if you have any story it is that you'd like us to discuss you. Can email us at you.

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Rake and Ride

Outside/In

33:22 min | 2 years ago

Rake and Ride

"In a surprise twist. We're gonna start this episode walking through the woods. This is something called the smarts brook trail system in the White Mountain national forest in New Hampshire so federal property, and we're walking on some trails that are not exactly legal sway. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty define. I mean, these are not he's not the stealthy stealth trails, and this one that were on is like how many miles of trails are there here. About seventeen miles on the ground right now, our tour guide to these not entirely above board trails is Jody Chin-chin district trails manager on the package Wasser ringer district. Jodi has been a four stranger a trail builder and a wildland firefighter. She manages six hundred miles of mostly hiking and snowmobiling trails. But these days she's been spending a lot of time with mountain bikers mountain bikers are obviously a big. They they do a lot of work. They have a lot of energy. So. Jodi is as far as I can tell a model. Federal employees, polite, accurate and circumspect. She calls these trails incidental trails user created trails. Non network trails. Bureaucratic euphemisms for what they really are trails that got built on federal land without permission. She has made her about thirty five or forty miles of them just in her district of the national forest. So so strictly speaking is not okay, go dig a trail. But but people have done it. And and that's a fairly common challenge that you all deal with. Yeah. Pretty common. We can we redo that part about whether it's authorized to build trail also along for the walk. Evan Burks, a public affairs officer when you say redo it what what about the question about like is it essentially legal to go out there and put trails on the four right? Throughs now. Jody's being very careful to not offend mountain bikers and Evan is trying to help her for years mountain bikers have been kind of like the woodsy version of skateboarders in a city using a landscape, not built for them carving, their own pads into the hills, and that Roe culture. The very fact that it was illegal and secret was part of the allure. But now the four services trying to fold these pirate mountain bike trails into the official trail system and the best people to help them do this. Or also, the very people who built the off the map trails in the first place. We're trying to harness the good energy of all these great people that want to do the right thing. And they wanna have great mountain biking trails the same time. We have to do it correctly. We have to fall the process. This is like how for years city officials used to put up signs said no skateboarding would hassle the kids at scraped up the new granite steps in front of the courthouse. But eventually they gave up built the kids. Gate park. But as Jody is showing me trail that's been designated for redesign. So that takes a more circuitous erosion friendly route down a hill and avoids apple orchard that the wildlife likes we notice that the flagging for the new trail has been pulled down off the trees. Someone is trying to sabotage Jody's work. So they are adversaries to this project that you know, the. You know, the the there's people who want this trail to remain low use and to remain intact. And they wanna maintain the character of the network just as it is. These like these people who you know, by name like. You've seen what the public meetings. And you're pretty sure you're pretty sure like you could identify the opponents onsite. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure this wasn't part of the plan for our walkabout tour, and I'm sure that Jodi and Evan will be annoyed that this is what I've chosen focus on. But what I was glimpsing was a game of cat-and-mouse of federal force officials wagging. They're fingers and prodding by clubs to follow the law with vague ultimatums and mountain bikers doing what they've basically done for decades ignoring them, what we will witnessing was the silent battle for the soul of a sport. It takes a little bit of practice in, you know, scars these wherever woods, and you know, we went out and played in collarbone break. Everybody looked around like holy cow. Look at all these trails. It's not that cool anymore to build trails on national forest without consent. It keeps me up at night to be honest. I do know it's coming to ahead. There's a large contingent of folks that made those drills trails, and they could give a rat's ass of anybody else ever come rides. This is outside in a show about the natural world and how we use it. I am Sam Evans Brown pirate trails are everywhere. The pioneers of mountain biking built them on private land public land and everything in between there built by writers. Just looking for a place to take their new bikes and in the process. They simply appropriated land that they wanted for their trails. But today there's money to be made on mountain bike trails. And so the sport is being pushed to go legit. But what happens when the Evelyn of sport threatens the very thing that made it so attractive in the first place. The first thing that I need to cop to here is that I'm out in bike. I got a bike about two years ago. And I will confess that. I think it's an absolute blast. I can't remember the last time that I was so excited about learning new sport. Ultimately, I am glad for trails to take my bike on. And I'm struggling with the knowledge of how many of these trails will built. Because my bent understanding things is to look at their history. Let me introduce you to to mountain bikers who've been around since the beginning of the sport. I is Dave heartless a bike shop owner in Littleton, New Hampshire. When the guys in this town that makes us town fun to live. Dave is a connected figure in New England mountain biking. He's kind of an ambassador for the sport. Maybe a little scruffy, but he talks his tee-shirt in as I've matured, shall we say I try to stick to legit trails. The second is Gardner Kellogg, a surveyor in the same town. I'm seventy one years old in doing this mountain biking for probably longer than I should have. He bought one of the very first mass produced mountain bikes back in the early eighties and has built a lot of trails in his day. And I think at the time he saw this as a victimless crime earlier on there just weren't that many people riding in it didn't really matter that much so why did mountain bikers feel like they needed their own trails. Well back in the beginning. They didn't have any. Back in the mid eighties and early nineties most trails were made by something somebody else for something else. They were logging roads they were flip pass. Sometimes, you know, well, tried animal tracks, then we just wrote whatever we could. And the roads were extensive enough that you could ride for a few hours and get tired and go home. It was just fun to ride a bike in the woods. Was. It was it challenging. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Dave Gardner, didn't quite admit this. But early mountain bike sucked. They had no shocks that small tires compared to today's felt every bump and your arms would go numb after a lot of writing they had lousy breaks funky geometry. So they didn't stop very well. And it was really easy to fly over the handlebars to ride a bike like that you had to be pretty hard core. Like even racing back. Then you know, you would like race up an unmoved run on a ski hill and come bomb down somewhere. Work access road. Trying not to eat little. I had to walk a few terms. I mean, it it's okay to walk. When did things start to change when did would trails four mound by start to get Bill. Real trails legit trails legit trails wouldn't appear for another decade or more. But my sense is that it didn't take long for pirate trails. The pop up on bikers were definitely considered renegades. Just like the early skateboarders who drained pools in the uninhabited second homes in their California neighborhoods, the early mound bikers found a place to take their new rigs. We just go into the woods and start clearing away to get from one point to another by Hooker back. Rick. Work. If you've ever been out walking and turned onto a trail that suddenly zigzagging maze. Like through the woods winding crazily through the trees and doubling back on it self. That's a mountain bike trail. They are super frustrating to walk on because they take forever to get anywhere mountain bikers. Don't want views or destinations they want corners obstacles downhills and to ride their bikes until they're tired and wind up back where they started. And they want it close to home, which means often these trails were built in whatever woods were nearest by no matter, who's they were a lot of land owners appear absentee landowners, allow land is old land in old family's been handed down through generations. They don't necessarily live on their land. And then you also have state farce and national forest to in this area. There are a lot of large tracts and that. Aren't really supervised in? And so it really isn't a an issue people really don't mind again, the victimless crime narrative, but some of these landowners didn't exactly see it as victimless. Have you ever had the experience of private lantern of didn't know there's a trail on their land. Finding you to talk to you about it. And what are those conversations like? There have been conversations and some are. Summer nicer other conversations. Early trails recalled Reagan ride trails. So you could literally build a trail with a rake and a offers a Hansa as sport more popular in the nineties. There was suddenly a constituency for these trails, but it was very clubby. You learned about the trails through word of mouth through group rides at bike shops to get on the trails. You had to know agai and the trick was to get the group rides to ride on those trails. So they'd get worn in. And because these trails were built by these same hard-core mountain. Bike dudes who'd been willing to ride up unmown ski slopes, bombed-out access roads, the trails were not for beginners. They're tight. They're twisting. They're extremely technical. You could have twenty four inches between the trees. There's still some trails like that round. Here. We call him skinny riding. These lines is intense. You fall over you crash. You hurt yourself and it can be extremely frustrating. If somebody's looking to get into writing. And MRs air, I experienced they're going to have to be a very determined person to be successful sent him up there. In local racket trails are really fun. They're really awesome comeback, bloody pissed. Generally, speaking. This was the state of affairs for mountain biking back in the early two thousands pirate mountain bike trails snakes their way through many many little patches of undeveloped land that about the towns where writers live and the people who wrote them were the ones who are willing to risk riding on unmarked trails that are streaming difficult and might not be legal to use. Which is this a mostly white guys? Good numbers are hard to find. But I've seen numbers that suggest seventy five percent of American writers are dudes a lot of these trails were built by experts who are looking for things that were fun and challenging for them, but are kind of horrendously difficult for new writers. And because they were built without permission. The people who built them wanted them to stay under the radar. So that they wouldn't get kicked off just a path a whisper wider than a deer run specifically designed to be winding and treacherous and no trail signs trail signs. Invite outsiders trail signs bring attention, no trail signs. So maybe you're asking. So what who cares if their pirate trails? Well, let me tell you a story stories. I have is that. The rabbi. And his wife came to. Take a walk up the hill. She didn't wanna go. She saves the car. This is Mark Taylor. He sounds like he's setting up a joke. But he's not he worked for twenty years as a police officer in town called Franconia. Mark told me about a search and rescue that happened in two thousand one when a rabbi from Brooklyn named Abraham our came up to the White Mountains, a pretty well defined is why well defined trail here. And so basically forms a sloop about a mile and half all the way round Abraham's wife, Milka waited for him. But then it started to get dark about nine o'clock wife calls the police what she shows up. Talks to her calls fishing game out. They make a pass through they make a quick walk through. They didn't find him. Side of the next morning. All day. Wasn't. It wasn't a hard rain. But it was cold. And it was the so it was really tough day to be outside and the weather if you had to be on the weather by noon the next day. It was clear that Abraham our was really really lost fishing game. Did come back and they need to pass through. And they searched this whole area. They had I wanna say there was probably. Three or four fishing game officers couple of volunteers didn't find anything and that evening, apparently New York called Hampshire governor. When turned called our karnal state police and the major from fishing game and said, we need to do something about this apparently Abraham was kind of a big deal at some point in time. The. His Siddiq Jewish commit community came from New York with their urban search and rescue people. They had a mobile command post, which was basically out of an old greyhound bus all of your radio communications telephone communications and their own ambulance. How? So how many folks how many folks came up from New York? I would say by the end of the third day. There was probably three or four hundred people. That's predominance. We had enough people about my own half, two miles down the hill. And at least another mile and a half backup to the interstate. And we could put one person every three hundred feet so that they could face the woods guy's name. It was a little eerie because you could physically stand here, and you could be in the woods just a few feet, and you would hear Abraham Abraham. Where are you? Prior or since have you ever seen anything like that? No, no, not at all. Second day, they retraced their steps. And then the second eighty article of clothing where they had been the previous day. It was a best. So he was basically walking in circles at that point. By the third day. The governor's resources had arrived there were dozens of searchers from fishing game. Local and state police and the national guard the head of Black Hawk helicopter. You're searching the area and again for a black octa search, it's more or less hovering. And they're looking straight down on the woods when we got a message that basically they had they saw something in the woods. They won't show what they look at and the the fishing game team went out where the hell was because again, you can look for the woods and see it. And that's when they found him some at best way at some point in time, probably within the past twenty four hours just from the exposure. Where we found him is only now a few hundred yards probably from where the nearest backyard is. How does somebody get lost on a trail? Like this a one mile loop superwide well-defined trail the most touristy of tourist hikes. Maybe you've already guessed the answer. Heady here. A little bit of a trail. Not much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can definitely see it put the mountain bike Hughes. This. How trails in the White Mountains claim to life after a break. Oh hitter. Maureen mcmurray. Hello. Sam been awhile since you've been on the show. I know I got a new job. Now, I'm gonna corner office. It's super boring you walk by with stacks of invoices. And we think Maureen we hardly knew someone to keep the show running. But I am here. You are here. Why are you here? I've been loving the newsletter subscriber. Yes, I am. I love it. I love getting it just like a nice respite for my boring day. But I don't know if everyone out there knows about it because you do a terrible job selling it job selling most things. I mean, you put in like important climate change stuff in scientific things just grow pass those. They're like really great animal ones, mostly donkey videos. It's just amazing. And I think everyone should sign up for it. So probably easiest way to sign up is headed website outside radio dot org, or you know, what we should do put it in the show notes. Go boot right down to the show notes. Click the link sign up there. I promise you will. Not regret it. So following something before the break, we learned about a man from New York City who got loss while hiking on a short easy tourist loop in the White Mountains, while his death got a lot of attention back in two thousand one what went unreported at the time was that he got lost because he turned onto unmarked mountain bike trail near the top of the hiking loop at the intersection where Abraham our needed to take a left to get back to his car into his wife. There was another trail to the right. A mountain bike trails over private land. It's a trail that a few years earlier had fallen out of use because the bikers had been kicked off after a writer swore at the landowner who was out walking his dog. They rerouted the trail to the north. So that came out on a local cross country ski loop. But that required crossing a brook and before long there was a big rainstorm and the ramshackle bikers bridge, they'd built got washed away and the trail fell out of use. Very run. Log. Synchrony into like stepping into deep. Snow? I tried to walk the path that the writers must have followed. But after a few hundred yards I lost trail and soon just like Abraham our. I wasn't sure if I was headed the right way. I kept bushwack in wanting to see how far Abraham would have had to walked in one direction to get himself out of trouble. But after twenty minutes of trumping my way, along with no trail with the sun's starting to dip out of sight behind the bowl of mountains that ring the area. Yeah. And it's funny. I just started get those twinges of like. I'm far enough off the trail here that I'm not a hundred percent confident of my ability to make it back. Then take long. This particular wrong, turn was a really strange one to make when you're making a circle of all left's. Why would you go right, but Abraham our wasn't the only one to make this mistake. Obviously, the the rabbi has taken the taken his trail had problem and properly we've had several different tourists. Choices taken us. We actually had a school group. And the teacher got off course took the whole group. And I actually found them. Over on one forty one. I actually got to a point out intervene. I hear him talking like come up to here at least in this one spot. It seems pretty clear that trail sign would have been nice, and it's not just inexperienced hikers. They lost on pirate trails when you see maps of them. They look like a plate of spaghetti. I routinely get lost on my local bike trails. And so do vary accomplished adventures like Peter Fricke, right? I'd gotten up early that was like still in my pajamas just writing and my dog was just like looking at me the whole time just having none of it. Friend of the podcast host of the outside podcast with outside magazine a couple years ago. Peter took a few days to get some writing done at family cabin in central Oregon. A budding some federal land like we came all the way out to like, my favorite place in the woods. And you're just staring at this. Glowing rectangle so Peter put down his computer gave into his dog. It was drizzling. So we throw on some rain gear over his pajamas and started walking the logging roads that criss crossed the forest after a little while he saw eight brand new man bike trail, no signs, though. And I just like this looks great. Like, let's go explore. He followed the trail came out on another logging road thought he knew where he was and started walking just walking and walking. And after it probably three miles as like. I wonder I wonder if I'm turned around here. But I've gone four miles. So I can't just like turn around and walk in other four miles backwards and. Gotta the long story. Short of it is ended up walking twelve miles in the wrong direction in your pyjamas in my out of my wallet. I all I had was at least at a dog a very excited was so stoked. He was just like this is the best. I'm gonna bother you. Every time you're working now. Here's my question. Like, what would you have needed in order to have not had this happen to you? Oh, it could have been like any of a lot of different things like a single like trail sign saying like this way back to the way you came. Or if if there had been a marking of some kind at no bearings at all. All of these pirate trail networks might have remained more or less hidden unmarked largely unnoticed basically forever. But things have been changing the bikes have been getting better, those Radley deathtraps with no shocks and bad breaks have been replaced by cushy full suspension party bikes that squish their way over obstacles without as much punishment on your body. That's what got me into the sport. And the new writers who were drawn in were suddenly able to find trails because of another change this one quite sudden around twenty ten people started to upload their rides to GPS smartphone, apps, which made the Reid data public in particular. There's one app called Strada straw has even gone so far as to create a global heat map, which looks kind of like one of those pictures of earth at night from space except the lights instead of being city lights are all the places that people ride bikes, including all the places where there aren't supposed to be trails. Suddenly everybody knows about all of those underground trail networks, it's like that high school party that gets too big. And so it gets busted by the cops. As I understand it. What happened is some of the local folks in the White Mountain. National forest offices were retiring, so these young people were coming up through and some of them were Evan mountain bikers, and they also were technologically savvy again, Dave heartless, the bike shop owner in New Hampshire. So you know, they brought up the heat map. And you know, everybody looked around like holy cow. Look at all these trails. While reporting the story, I heard tales of federal government that couldn't decide whether a wanted to encourage mountain biking or banner in the nineties. They made and distributed a map of legal mountain bike trails on federal property essentially advertising them, but I also heard about a couple of years where they were sending out four strangers to camp out at trail heads waiting for the riders to come back to their cars could hand out tickets. So the federal response has drifted with whoever's in charge. But now for the first time you could see all of the pirate trails at once. And I think it became clear that this problem wasn't going to go away. And also around this same time, the commercial side of the sport has really started to explode. These are a couple of the many many, many gopro videos that are available on YouTube of people riding in a place called kingdom trails in Burke. Vermont kingdom trails is hundred plus miles of amazing trails up in the northeast kingdom of Vermont. And this is Abby long executive director of the kingdom trails association, a nonprofit that manages the trail network. Our mission is to provide recreation education opportunities by managing maintaining building trails for the health of our community and regional economy. That sounds like it was verbatim from something from the heart. What's happened? In the intervening decades from when a bunch of dirtbag mountain bikers. I started hacking legal trails out of the woods that their neighbors owned through today is that mountain biking has become big business. A study of tourism to kingdom trails has estimated that they bring ten million dollars a year to this very rural area and Burke, Vermont is just one of dozens of towns that have parlayed their mountain bike trails into million dollar tourist industries MOAB Utah Sedona Arizona, Piz North Carolina, bend, Oregon, but public trail networks have to be legit. They I went door to door knocking talking people, you know, face to face, and those few landowners, generous, landowners, we it's now we're at ninety two landowners, which is incredible. If in the eighties mountain bikers equivalent of skateboarders, riding in their neighbors pool that they had pumped out when no one was home in twenty eighteen counts like Burke, Vermont are the towns that built the skate park and not just any skate park the best damn skate park in the northeast offers everything so someone who's hardcore Kengo get that technical writing someone who wants to just learn Kengo on some really fun greens. And then kiddos can learn mountain bike with their stride IRS on our little baby pump checks, but even inside a success story like kingdom trails there are tensions. There's a lot of folks who don't want things to change. They want things to exactly how they were how they grew up in what they love popularity of the trails means they're crowded on weekends, which annoys local riders. And it's brought traffic to the village which annoys local drivers. It keeps me up at night to be honest. I do know it's coming to a head. Can you drill saved the Burgh area Burke was very depressed area? But also have a bunch of friends that live up there. They don't ride on the weekends. You do get a pushback like we don't want be another kingdom trails. We don't want it. So busy here that you know, that we can't go into our trails yourselves, and I don't want that either. You'll I personally take joy and seeing somebody, you know, like a guy in a family and his wife and kids out on our local trails having fun smiling. I'll stop and shoot the breeze of them. And there's a large contingent of folks that have made those trails those older trails, and they could give a rat's ass of anybody else ever come rides. They do not care. They just want their trails. Sport is brand new and there's nowhere to do it. The few people who take it up tend to be the ones willing to bear the risk of using spaces where they're not allowed. This can make for skeletons in the closet since the culture that forms as a result is one that is in part defined by being outsiders. Then once the market sees an opportunity and starts to bring in the masses when they build the proverbial skate park, the old guard, the original writers, sometimes don't like what they see but time and technology marches on and that's what's happening back. It's marts Brooke where we started this episode, and we're Jody Chin-chin is overseeing the proposed redesign of those pirate trails, and I think all of these things have promoted a different type of experience, you know. It's just kind of matured over the years. Maybe people are happier. Now with something that they can go home from you know, a little bit less blood at the end of the day. Hopefully. Not no blood but a little bit. Yeah. If you remember on our walk. We tried to follow their proposed trail redesign. This was where someone had torn down the flagging that showed where the trail would go after a brief bushwack we popped back out of the woods. Our back on the trail said. Says this. Is interesting. Trail that you didn't know about. And I don't remember this from two years ago. So yeah, but. Past. I'm psyched to explore a brand new pyre trail with you. If you want to do that. It's just take it back to the K you can build them escape park. But at least for a little while until the culture changes. Some of those kids are still going to prefer to scrape up the courthouse steps. All right. Of a full. Outside in was produced by me Sam Evans Brown and Taylor with help from Justin paradise Jimmy Gutierrez, Nick Kevin j Ben Henry McCarthy, Jason moon and Lawrence. Erica Janik is our executive producer more and McMurray is director of piracy of all sorts, if you aren't already you should be following us on the social media's we're at outside in radio on Twitter, where we regularly tweet out threads full of extras from our reporting that didn't make it into the stories, and we have a closed moderated, very friendly. Facebook group, just go and search for outside slash in and asked for permission to join music in this episode by blue dot sessions. And our theme music is by brake master cylinder outside in a production of New Hampshire public radio. Go to she lit. And. Ahead.

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Dispatches: The Mountain Bikers Fighting New Trails

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Dispatches: The Mountain Bikers Fighting New Trails

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Except today that personal story for me comes about halfway through the episode. What you're about to hear comes from our friends at outside in from New Hampshire public radio. And while back the hosts Sam ovens Brown told me he's working on a story about mountain biking, and that it might be a good fit for outside. And the story was a good fit. And we got to talking about it because their text messages, and I told him a story about my dog. And finally, he was like, hey, can we record this? So we did and you'll hear it later and Sam does a great job. Introducing his own show. So instead of coming up with something else handed over to him her Sam. In a surprise twist. We're gonna start this episode walking through the woods. This is something called the smarts brook trail system in the White Mountain national forest in New Hampshire so federal property, and we're walking on some trails that are not exactly legal. Way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty define. I mean, these are not he's not the stealthy stealth trails, and this one that we're on is like how many miles of trails are there here. Here's about seventeen miles on the ground right now, our tour guide to these not entirely above board trails is Jody Chin-chin district trails manager on the package Wasser ringer district. Jodi has been a four stranger a trail builder and a wildlands firefighter. She manages six hundred miles of mostly hiking and snowmobiling trails. But these days she's been spending a lot of time with mountain bikers and mountain bikers are obviously a biggie. They they do a lot of work there. They have a lot of energy. So. Jodi is as far as I can tell a model. Federal employees, polite, accurate and circumspect. She calls these trails incidental trails user created trails. Non network trails. Bureaucratic euphemisms for what they really are trails the got built on federal land without permission. She estimates. There about thirty five or forty miles of them. Just in her district of the national forest, so strictly speaking is not okay. Just go dig a trail. But but people have done it. And and that's a fairly common challenge that you all deal with. Yeah. Pretty common. We can we redo that part about whether it's authorized to build trail also along for the walk ebben Burks, a public affairs officer when you say redo it what what about the question about like is it essentially legal to go out there and put trails on the four right? Throughs now. Jody's being very careful to not offend mountain bikers and Evan is trying to help her for years mountain bikers have been kind of like the woodsy version of skateboarders in a city using a landscape, not built for them carving, their own paths into the hills, and that Roe culture. The very fact that it was illegal and secret was part of the allure. But now the forest service is trying to fold these pirate mountain bike trails into the official trail system and the best people to help them. Do. This are also the very people who built the off the map trails in the first place. We're trying to harness the good energy of all these great people that want to do the right thing. And they wanna have great mountain biking trails at the same time. We have to do it correctly. We have to fall the process. This is like how for years city officials used to put up signs that said no skateboarding would hassle the kids at scraped up the new granite steps in front of the courthouse. But eventually they gave up built the. Kids skate park. But as Jody is showing me a trail that's been designated for redesign. So that it takes a more circuitous erosion friendly route down a hill and avoids an apple orchard that the wildlife legs. We notice that the flagging for the new trail has been pulled down off the trees. Someone is trying to sabotage Jody's work. So they are some adversaries to this project that, you know, the the there's people who want this trail to remain low use and to remain intact. And they wanna maintain the character of the network just as it is. These and you're like these people who, you know, by name like like you've seen though at the public meetings. And you're pretty sure you're pretty sure like you could identify the opponents onsite. Yes. Yeah. I'm sure this wasn't part of the plan for our walkabout tour. And I'm sure that Jodi Evan will be annoyed that this is what I've chosen to focus on. But what I was glimpsing was a game of cat-and-mouse of federal force officials wagging. They're fingers and prodding by clubs to follow the law with vague ultimatums and mountain bikers doing what they've basically done for decades ignoring them, what we will witnessing was the silent battle for the soul of a sport. It takes a little bit of practice in, you know, scars these wherever woods, and you know, we went out and played in collarbone brain. And you'll everybody looked around like holy cow. Looking all these trails. It's not that cool anymore to build trails on national forest without consent. It keeps me up at night to be honest. I I do know it's coming to a head. There's a large contingent of folks that made those trails Mona trails, and they could give a rat's ass if anybody else ever come rides. This is outside in a show about the natural world and how we use it. I am Sam Evans Brown pirate trails are everywhere. The pioneers of mountain biking built them on private land public land and everything in between. There are built by writers. Just looking for a place to take their new bikes and in the process. They simply appropriated land that they wanted for their trails. But today there's money to be made on mountain bike trails. And so the sport is being pushed to go legit. But what happens when the Evelyn of a sport threatens the very thing that made it so attractive in the first place. The first thing that I need to cop to here is that I'm out in bike. I got a bike about two years ago. And I will confess that. I think it's an absolute blast. I can't remember the last time that I was so excited about learning a new sport. Ultimately, I am glad for trails to take my bike on. And I'm struggling with the knowledge of how many of these trails will built. Because my bent for understanding things is to look at their history. Let me introduce you to mountain bikers who have been around since the beginning of the sport. I is Dave heartless a bike shop owner in Littleton, New Hampshire. When the guys in this town that makes us town fund the live. Dave is a connected figure in New England mountain biking. He's kind of an ambassador for the sport. Maybe a little scruffy, but he tucks his tee-shirt in as I've matured, shall we say I try to stick to legit trails. The second is Gardner Kellogg, a surveyor in the same town. I'm seventy one years old in doing this mountain biking for probably longer than I should have. He bought one of the very first mass produced mountain bikes back in the early eighties and has built a lot of trails in his day. And I think at the time he saw this as a victimless crime earlier on there just weren't that many people riding in it didn't really matter that much so why did mountain bikers feel like they needed their own trails. Well back in the beginning. They didn't have any. Back in the, you know, mid eighties and early nineties mostly trails were made by something somebody else for something else. They were logging roads they were flip pass sometimes, you know, well, trod animal tracks, then we just road whatever we could. And the roads were extensive than our that you could ride for a few hours and get tired and go home. It was just fun to ride a bike in the woods. Was. It was it challenging. Oh, yeah. Yeah. David Gardner, didn't quite admit this. But early mountain bike sucked. They had no shocks that small tires compared to today's. You felt every bump and your arms would go numb after a lot of writing they had lousy breaks and funky geometry. So they didn't stop very well. And it was really easy to fly over the handlebars to ride a bike like that you had to be pretty hard core. Like, the even a racing back. Then you know, you would like race up an unmoved run on a ski hill and then come bomb down somewhere. Work access road. Trying not to eat little. Oh. I mean, I had to walk a few times. I mean, it it's okay to walk. When did things start to change when did would trails four mound by start to get Bill. Real trails legit trails legit trails wouldn't appear for another decade or more. But my sense is that it didn't take long for pirate trails the pop up on bikers were definitely considered, you know, renegades just like the early skateboarders who drained pools in the uninhabited second homes in their California neighborhoods the early mound bikers found a place to take their new rigs. We'd just go into the woods and start clearing away to get from one point to another by Hooker bike rook. If you've ever been out walking and turned onto a trail that suddenly zigzagging maze. Like through the woods winding craze through the trees and doubling back on itself. That's a mountain bike trail. They are super frustrating to walk on because they take forever to get anywhere mountain bikers. Don't want views or destinations they want corners and obstacles downhills and to ride their bikes until they're tired and wind up back where they started. And they want it close to home, which means often these trails were built in whatever woods were nearest by no matter, who's they were a lot of land owners appear are absent T landowners, allow land is old land and old family's been handed down through generations. They don't necessarily live on their land. And then you also have. State forests and national forest to in this area. There are a lot of large tracts, and that aren't really supervised. And so it really isn't an issue when people really don't mind again, the victimless crime narrative, but some of these landowners didn't exactly see it as victimless have you ever had the experience of private land owner didn't know there was a trail on their land. Finding you to talk to you about it. And what are those conversations like? There have been conversations and some are. Summer nicer than other conversations. Early trails recalled rake in ride trails. So you could literally build a trail with a rake and a pair loppers and the hands off as the sport got more popular in the nineties. There was suddenly a constituency for these trails, but it was very clubby. You learned about the trails through word of mouth through group rides at bike shops to get on the trails. You had to know a guy and the trick was to get the group rides to ride on those trails. So they'd get worn in. And because these trails were built by these same hard-core mountain bike dudes he'd been willing to ride up on mode ski slopes, and bombed down access roads the trails were not for beginners. They're tight they're twisty. They're extremely technical. You could have twenty four inches between the trees. There's still some trails like that round. Here. We call them skinny riding. These lines is intense. You follow over you crash. You hurt yourself and it can be extremely frustrating. If somebody's looking to get into. Riding and MRs air, I experienced they're going to have to be very determined person to be successful sent him up there in local racket trailers are really fun. They're really awesome comeback, bloody pissed. Generally, speaking. This was the state of affairs for mountain biking back in the early two thousands pirate mountain bike trails snake their way through many many little patches of undeveloped land that about the towns where writers live and the people who wrote them were the ones who are willing to risk riding on unmarked trails that are streaming difficult and might not be legal to use which is to say mostly white guys. Good numbers are hard to find. But I've seen numbers that suggest seventy five percent of American writers are dudes. A lot of the trails were built by experts who are looking for things that were fun and challenging for them, but are kind of horrendously difficult for new writers. And because they were built without permission. The people who built them wanted them to stay under the radar. So that they wouldn't get kicked off just a path a whisper wider than a deer run specifically designed to be winding and treacherous and no trail signs trail signs. Invite outsiders trail signs bring attention, no trail signs. So maybe you're asking. So what who cares if they're a pirate trails? Well, let me tell you a story stories. I have is that. The rabbi. And his wife came to. Take a walk up the hill. She didn't want to go. She said, it's the car. This is Mark Taylor. He sounds like he's setting up a joke. But he's not he worked for twenty years as a police officer in the town called Franconia. Mark told me about a search and rescue that happened in two thousand one when a rabbi from Brooklyn named Abraham our came up to the White Mountains, a pretty well defined Jeremy's why well defined trail here. And so it basically forms a sloop about a mile and a half all the way around Abraham's wife, Milka waited for him. But then it started to get dark about nine o'clock is wife calls the police chief shows up talks to her 'cause fish and game out. They make a pass up through they make quick walkup through. They didn't find him. So the side of there was started searching next morning. I mean all day. It wasn't. It wasn't a hard rain. But it was cold. And it was the so it it was really a tough day to be outside and the weather if you had to be on the weather by noon the next day. It was clear that Abraham our was really really lost fishing game. Did come back and they need to pass through. And they searched this whole area. They had I wanna say it was probably. Three or four fishing game officers and a couple of volunteers didn't find anything and that evening, apparently, New York governor called the Hampshire governor. When turned called karnal state police and the major from fishing game and said, we need to do something about this apparently Abraham was kind of a big deal at some point in time. The historic Jewish community came from New York with their urban search and rescue people. They had a mobile command post, which was basically out of an old greyhound bus, all of your radio communications, all of you. Telephone communications an ambulance. How? So how many folks how many folks came up from New York? I would say by the end of the third day. There was probably three or four hundred people here. That's predominance. We had enough people. So it's about a mile and a half two miles down the hill. And at least another mile and a half backup to the interstate. And we put one person every three hundred feet so that they could face the Woodson call a guy's name. It was a little eerie because you could physically stand here, and you could be in the woods just a few feet, and you would hear Abraham Abraham. Where are you? Prior or since have you ever seen anything like that? No, no, not at all. Second day, they retraced their steps. And then the second eighty article of clothing where they had been the previous day. It was a best. So he was basically walking in circles at that point. By the third day. The governor's resources had arrived there were dozens of searchers from fishing game. Local and state police and the national guard they had a Black Hawk helicopter. You're searching the area and again for a black Octo search, it's more or less hovering. And they're looking straight down on the woods. When we got a message that basically they had they saw something in the woods. They to show what they were looking at and the the fish and game team went out with a helicopter was because again, you can look through the woods and see it. I'm in. That's when they found him some at passed away at some point in time, probably within the past twenty four hours just from the exposure. Where we found him is only now a few hundred yards probably from where the nearest backyard is. How does somebody get lost on a trail? Like this a one mile loop super wide well-defined trail the most touristy of tourist hikes. Maybe you've already guessed the answer. Heady here. A little bit of a trail. Not much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can definitely see it put the mountain bike who's this. So following something. He got lost because he turned onto an unmarked mountain bike trail near the top of the hiking loop at the intersection where Abraham our needed to take a left to get back to his car into his wife. There was another trail to the right. A mountain bike trail over private land. It's a trail that a few years earlier had fallen out of use because the bikers had been kicked off after a writer swore at the landowner who was out walking his dog. They rerouted the trail to the north. So that came out on a local cross country ski loop. But that required crossing a brook and before long there was a big rainstorm and the ramshackle bikers bridge, they'd built got washed away and the trail fell out of use. Very rotten. Log. Synchrony to like stepping into deep. Snow? I tried to walk the path that the riders must have followed. But after a few hundred yards I lost the trail and soon just like Abraham our. I wasn't sure if I was headed the right way. I kept bushwack ING wanting to see how far Abraham would have had to walked in one direction to get himself out of trouble. But after twenty minutes of tromping my way, along with no trail with the sun's starting to dip out of sight behind the bowl of mountains that ring the area. Yeah. And it's funny. I just started to get those twinges of like. I'm far enough off the trail here. That I'm not. One hundred percent confident of my ability to make it back. Then take on. This particular wrong. Turn was a really strange one to make when you're making a circle of all left's. Why would you go right, but Abraham our wasn't the only one to make this mistake. Obviously, the the rabbi has taken the taking trail head prob properly. We've had several different tourists choices taken us. We actually had a school group. And the teacher got off course and took the whole group. And I actually found them. Over on one forty one actually got to look down the ravine him talking. It's like come up to here at least in this one spot. It seems pretty clear that trail sign would have been nice, and it's not just inexperienced hikers. They lost on pirate trails when you see maps of them. They look like a plate of spaghetti. I routinely get lost on my local bike trails. And so do vary accomplished adventures like Peter Fricke, right? I'd gotten up early still in my pajamas writing. And my dog was just like looking at me the whole time just having none of it. Friend of the podcast host of the outside podcast with outside magazine a couple years ago. Peter took a few days to get some writing done at a family cabin in central. Oregon budding some federal land like we came all the way out to like, my favorite place in the woods. And you're just staring at this. Glowing rectangle so Peter put down his computer gave into his dog. It was drizzling. So he in some rain gear over his pajamas and started walking the logging roads that criss crossed the forest after a little while he saw a brand new man bike trail, no signs, though. And I just like this looks great. Like, let's go explore. He followed the trail came out on another logging road thought he knew where he was and started walking. Just walking and walking and after probably three miles as I wonder, I wonder if I'm turned around here. But I've gone four miles. So I can't just turn around and walk in. Now, they're four miles backwards. And. The long story short of it is ended up walking twelve miles in the wrong direction in your pyjamas in my my wallet. I all I had was a leash dog a very excited, so stoked. He was just like this is the best. I'm going to bother you every time you're working now. Here's my question. Like, what would you have needed in order to have not had this happen to you? Oh, it could have been like any of a lot of different things like a single like trail sign saying like this way back to the way you came or if there had been a marking of some kind I had no bearings. At all all of these pirate trail networks might have remained more or less hidden unmarked largely unnoticed basically forever. But things have been changing the bikes have been getting better those Radley deathtraps with no shocks bad breaks have been replaced by cushy full suspension party bikes that squish their way over obstacles without as much punishment on your body. That's what got me into the sport. And the new riders who were drawn in were suddenly able to find trails because of another change this one quite sudden around twenty ten people started to upload. They're rides to GPS smartphone, apps, which made the Reid data public in particular. There's one app called Strada straw has even gone so far as to create a global heat map, which looks kind of like one of those pictures of earth at night from space except the lights instead of being city lights are all the places that people ride bikes, including all the places where there aren't supposed to be trails. Suddenly everybody knows about all of those underground trail networks, it's like that high school party that gets too big. And so it gets busted by the cops. As I understand it. What happened is? Some of the local folks in the White Mountain national forest offices were retiring, so these young people were coming through in some of them were avid mountain bikers, and they also were technologically savvy again, Dave heartless, the bike shop owner in New Hampshire. So they brought up the heat map and everybody looked around like holy cow. Look at all these trails. While reporting the story, I heard tales of federal government that couldn't decide whether it wanted to encourage mountain biking or banner in the nineties. They made and distributed a map of legal mountain bike trails on federal property essentially advertising them, but I also heard about a couple of years where they were sending out four strangers to camp out at trail heads waiting for the riders to come back to their cars that could hand out tickets. So the federal response has drifted with whoever's in charge. But now for the first time you could see all of the pirate trails at once. And I think it became clear that this problem wasn't going to go away. And also around this same time, the commercial side of the sport has really started to explode. These are a couple of the many, many, many, go pro videos that are available on YouTube of people riding in a place called kingdom trails in Burke. Vermont kingdom trails is hundred plus miles of amazing trails up in the northeast kingdom, Vermont, and this is Abby long executive director of the kingdom trails association, a nonprofit that manages the trail network. Our mission is to provide recreation education opportunities by managing maintaining building trails for the health of our community and regional Konomi that sounds like verbatim from what from the heart. What's happened? In the intervening decades from win a bunch of dirtbag mountain bikers. I started hacking legal trails out of the woods that their neighbors owned through today is that mountain biking has become big business. A study of the tourism to kingdom trails has estimated that they bring ten million dollars a year. To this very rural area and Burke, Vermont is just one of dozens of towns that have parlayed their mountain bike trails into million dollar tourist industries MOAB Utah Sedona Arizona, Piz North Carolina, bend, Oregon, but public trail networks have to be legit. They I went door to door knocking talking people, you know, face to face, and those few landowners, generous, landowners, we it's now we're at ninety two landowners, which is incredible. If in the eighties mountain bikers equivalent of skateboarders, riding in their neighbors pool that they had pumped out when no one was home in two thousand eighteen towns, like Burke, Vermont are the towns that built the skate park and not just any skate park the best damn skate park in the northeast offers everything so someone who's hardcore Kengo get that technical writing someone who wants to just learn Kengo on some really fun greens. And then kiddos can learn mountain bike with their. Dried IRS on our little baby pump checks, but even inside a success story like kingdom trails there are tensions. There's a lot of folks who don't want things to change. They want things to be exactly how they were how they grew up in what they love popularity of the trails means they're crowded on weekends, which annoys local riders. And it's brought traffic to the village which annoys local drivers. It keeps me up at night to be honest. I do know it's coming to a head. Can you trail saved the Burke area Burke was very depressed area. But also have a bunch of friends that live up there. They don't ride on the weekends. You do get a pushback like we don't want be another kingdom trails. We don't want it. So busy here that that we can't go. Enjoy our trails ourselves, and I don't want that either. I personally take joy and seeing some. You know, like a guy in family and his wife and kids out on our local trails having fun smiling. All stop and shoot the breeze of them. And there's a large contingent of folks that have made those trails those older trails, and they give a rat's ass of anybody else ever come rides. They do not care. They just want their trails. Sport is brand new and there's nowhere to do it. The few people who take it up tend to be the ones willing to bear the risk of using spaces where they're not allowed. This can make for skeletons in the closet since the culture that forms as a result is one that is in part defined by being outsiders. Then once the market season opportunity and starts to bring in the masses when they build the proverbial skate park, the old guard, the original writers, sometimes don't like what they see but time and technology marches on and that's what's happening back. It's Brooke where we started this episode. And we're Jody Chin-chin is overseeing the proposed redesign of those pirate trails, and I think all of these things have promoted the different type of experience, you know, just kinda matured over the years. Maybe people are happier. Now with something that they can go home from know a little bit less blood at the end of the day. Hopefully. Not no blood but a little bit. Yeah. If you remember on our walk. We tried to follow their proposed trail redesign. This was where someone had torn down the flagging that showed where the trail would go after a brief bushwack we popped back out of the woods. Our back on the trail. So. This. Is interesting. It's trail that you didn't know about. And I don't remember this from two years ago. So yeah, but. Past. I'm psyched to explore a brand new pirate trail with you. If you want to do that. It's just take it back to the. You can build them escape park. But at least for a little while until the culture changes. Some of those kids are still going to prefer to scrape up the courthouse steps. I still. Right. But Sam Evans Brown host of outside in from New Hampshire public radio. This episode was produced by Sam and Taylor Quimby with help from steam paradise Jimmy Gutierrez, Nick Kennedy Ajay. Ben Henry Hannah McCarthy Jason moon and Lauren children. It was brought to you by Arizona where it's currently warm enough to go mountain biking even on pirate trails seventy degrees in Phoenix today. Podcast is production of outside magazine. Pierre ex we back next week.

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An Endless Honeymoon + A Good Hangout with Daniella Monet & Andrew Gardener

The Good Life with Stevie & Sazan

57:04 min | 11 months ago

An Endless Honeymoon + A Good Hangout with Daniella Monet & Andrew Gardener

"Thank you for listening to this. Podcast one production available on spotify apple. Podcasts podcast one dot com in anywhere else. You get your podcasts. What'S UP. Good life and welcome back to another episode. You've got your voice. Tv HERE MY BEAUTIFUL WIFE says on. Y'All today we were hanging out with chillan quarantine style. We are going to have Daniella Monet and Andrew Gardner on the show today. We're so excited to talk to them about what they've been doing during this quarantine time. Don't worry it's GonNa be really fun. Episode really relaxed. But also we've got a crazy story at the end of this episode. Y'All that we want to share with you guys and I want to hear people's feedback on this because I just feel like it's such an interesting story and I'm wondering if people are going to feel like this is a sad thing or a beautiful thing. Find out at the end of the episode. Leave a comment and let us know what you think you guys are right. Stick AROUND FAM- WE'RE GONNA have a great interview coming up and of course good conversation with me and beautiful says he cakes. It's coming up stick around. It's about to get good man. See Fanuc Song. Just put me in the vibe today. Oh yeah that's that's spring vibes right. They're always feel like spring a spring playlist. And that one's on this your spring playlist. Shout to my sister for putting me on. That is the real thing by client liaison and you know. Your boy is adamant song. The good life playlist on spotify. Right me how nice. That's his other sister. Not The one we always talk about. Britney it's grace grace is here and grace's here. Y'All she flew in what three weeks ago? Yeah from Australia. 'cause that's where she's been living but when all this corona stuff kind of took place in her she knew her visa was going to have to be renewed. She's like I'm better off just going back to the US for a little bit. In case I literally get stuck so you got on the second to last flight. So yeah the second to last night. I mean Dang she made it by the hair of Chinni Chin Chin. You feel me that's a reference because we've been telling story three little pigs bedtime stories king of teeny this week has been a milestone week for teeny. We finally got rid of the famous Passi. The famous pass. She calls it pacifier to go but she's two and a half. I mean it just it had to go. She was actually ready for it to go when we started putting her in school because during nap time she didn't really have it. We didn't take it to school with us so like she kind of got used to sleeping without it. That's shout out to you though baby because you're always on top of those things with teeny like when you start to notice like are a babe. It's time it's time to do that uncomfortable. Thing is apparent which is helping your child grow through the growth spurts in the growing pains that come with childhood and as a mother. I don't know I just always want her to feel comfortable and happy so like if it was up to me she'd have that Darn pacifier so she was twenty. I mean the thing is is that yes I? I don't know I think with anything in parenting Just my philosophy was with. That is like yes. It's going to be uncomfortable for a week. But this is the best time for us to do it right. Like there's not a ton going on y'all We have the opportunity to sleep in if she wakes us up late at night. So I was like. Let's just do it now? Let's get it over with and she hasn't been like a frigging champ. I gotTA give teeny credit. Y'All she was. She was good to go. She flinched for like five minutes. Are Switch and now and now. She's she's good to go so I'm very I'm very proud of her. Y'All we have been maximizing this time y'all we are still with my parents you know and a lot of people like are you guys going crazy you know. I think I would be going more crazy. It was just me and Tina House. Started crazy for your at your mom's house my sisters and my parents and teeny and the helpless with teeny and so Yeah it's been honestly a sweet time and I. I don't I don't want to run the broken record of all of this. His y'all we've been in quarantine. What is it like day? Five thousand sixty eight. I mean we exactly spongebob voice. I mean we're just all hanging in there like champs and you know what guys let's okay saving Iowa just kind of like what the Heck Bay we. What was that today literally? This morning. We were like What is life GONNA be like? After we come out of the quarantine is it gonNA rebound and just go right back to the way things were or is it gonNA take awhile like. Is it going to take a full year to fully recover from the effects in the aftermath of all of this because let's face it airlines and all of that stuff? It's not just going to be back up in booming. It's acted a lot of things we haven't yet experienced the aftermath. But you know what guys? I've actually got something encouraging to share. I was I got this message from one of my family group chats. My aunt actually sent this morning and I thought wow. I've got a pass that along. It's actually quite interesting and I'm going to read it to you guys something. I think that will make people feel better so please select it will because it made me feel better to. I guess in a time where. There's not very much clarity. Gave us some sense of clarity or what you way we ready. Okay thank you So the quarantine is from the Italian meaning word. Meaning forty days okay and so forty. Forty days flood lasted all right in the Bible forty days the exodus lasted forty days of fasting in the desert where Christ was tempted. Forty days of appearances of Christ after His crucifixion and resurrection. It's been reported forty days. Isolation Aka quarantine it has been called an actually many areas number forty specifically in the Bible attracts much attention. Even today forty days is what is recommended for a woman a woman to rest after giving birth true that forty is also the week. How many weeks? A woman goes through a period of station. That's considered full-term pregnancy. A group of the lodge diligent. The illogic patty say it stayed theologians a group of the Alot jains think that number forty represents change. It is the preparation time of a person or people to give fundamental change. Will something happen after these forty days? The Earth is on rest for the first time in many years. I would like to take advantage of these forty days. It says in the Bible every time number forty appears there is a change that happens so if we are in quarantine obligated quarantine. Let's enjoy it with family. It could be a great blessing and we will see the changes of God that he will make in our lives. If we add that we are if you WANNA bring math into it actually if we add that we are in twenty twenty. Twenty plus twenty equals forty so let it be what God wants in any event written thing that was shared online and I mean a lot of that is true. I mean who knows? Yeah I mean who knows? If this thing's I mean maybe the worst of it will last forty days you know and there will be a slow you know what? I mean. Like coming resurgence. You know how long I mean different. Yeah cities and things have been in it for a different amount of time but I found that encouraging because you know in my mind in one day I really wanted to share with you family. This week is just that this is temporary. You know and I know that it's not easy and I know that there's a lot of uncomforter- in the time but it's temporary. All I mean that's I mean. Hang your hat on that. This is temporary and all things in life are temporary and we don't know what changes this is going to bring long-term but God has a plan and all of this right and that. He's he doesn't WANNA keep us in this forever in purgatory like He. Here's our prayers and one thing that my dad said this week. Baby did the message church. I'm so proud of him. Is he said right but he but he said the God has a plan in all of this like he knew this was coming and it's for a purpose and if we allow it to help us grow during this time or use it to our benefit. Then we'll come out the other side better for it and it's up to us how we decide to go through this. But I mean it's temporary all. Keep your heads up because this could be. It could be a lot worse. This disease could be deadlier. It could be a situation where you're not quarantined at home. And you're in a place of uncomforter- where you're not even allowed to be at home. I mean things could be worse so less. I'm just trying to look at all the positives at this point in trying to now embrace things. I can do during this time while you're doing during this time as well as you know soaking up that tick tock can we say that green is brought out the tick talker in you and you know what my little brother? Who's nineteen. He's writing that generation of Tick Tock? He said what did he say to us. He said get off. Our Platform said you can go. Try instagram. Now I mean here's the thing Stevie and I are not trying to strategically take that pot form seriously. But if you guys aren't aware of Tick Tock. It's just a fun place for us to be playful ensures some of our quirky sides in in moments and we're just having fun right now and it's it's one of those exciting times at the beginning of an APP when it really starts to kind of slowly get some credit. It's there's just not not as much pressure and it's not so annoying in overly saturated so if y'all are on tick talking you WanNa know Stevie and I are actually going to do a joint page so we're not going to be managing two pages. I decided that's just too much work society. And I we have a page called the hendrix's In the accounting Stevens design the name we put on it. But the user you can you can actually check at the Hendrix's X. E. S. at the end and check it out. 'cause man Steve. Your creative side is really come to life and just enjoy. I'm letting the creative side flow you guys if you are bored. I've said this before. Jump on the tick Tock train. You guys it's kind of fun. I mean my sisters just did some last night and they were cracking me of. They're doing a big car. I don't know why I know we are young like we're all. I know but it makes you feel like you're in high school like you're just kind of like what are we. Ceiling game playing. This is fun fun challenges. You guys check it out and let us know what you think. It's going to be a lot different than what you see here on the good life. But that's always fun because there's so many sides of us and there's a platform for every side of Babe I know for real and I mean I'm having a good time this one thing that I'm looking forward to doing more of his just kind of creating more like I feel like we have space now mentally to be more creative and it's not just for us that do content creation. Y'All if you're not having to go into the office and you've got more time on your hands like or maybe you're stressed the channel that into creativity or to creating something for yourself. I mean how many of you have a hobby that you've been waiting to start forever or guitar that you picked up in five years. You know I mean really take this time to to channel that energy and even some of that anxiety into creativity and into art because I really think that is kind of a blessing. That's coming out of this time Speaking for like my sister she's just learning how to do. You know a bunch of piano songs this week and it's she's been him every night for us she's getting so good all these different songs and blessing our family. So if that's one thing you're looking to do family man. I would just encourage you guys to try and get creative. Obviously I know that a lot of us are also at each other's necks because we've been together too long but but try not to be fighting your family with your spouse's give yourself the space that you need to do the things that you WanNa do you know and the couple that were talking to you coming up guys. They they've been doing corentin really really well and we're gonNA talk to them. We'RE GONNA ask them ten questions about how they've been quarantining if you haven't heard of Daniella Monet and Andrew Turner. Sorry if you haven't heard of Danielle Monet and Andrew Gardner. Y'All they're a great couple. You may have seen Danielle on the show victorious. Carly I carly as well. That's right. Oh my gosh okay. These are shows that I spend their both created. This incredible podcast called Les Say Because. He loves the amount of times you said in the interview with killing me. It was funny. It's a great name adulting like a mother. Father made me think of Dane Cook when he I think he in one of his stance. Let's get mother. Father started and And I just thought that was really great. But they're really great couple and we really hit it off with them. Oh Yeah we had a great time we actually did a cross pollination cross podcast the nation. We're on their podcast as well but Dan Yellow if you want to know more about her. She's an entrepreneur founder of kinder beauty box sugar Taco and outstanding foods and Andrew is also an entrepreneur has gaffed in clothing you guys so and their new parents. Their new parents like us. We had a great time connecting with them. They're really good people. We decided next time. We'RE IN WE'RE GONNA go out on double dates serious new parents. Still you said like us. We got one baby. Don't have all the street crab we got a little history backup grow. Who Do you think you are not true? All right you guys. We're GONNA jump into your interview with Daniele Andrew. We had a great time hanging out with them. We hope that you guys will to enjoy this episode. Y'All please share it with a friend who was bored and needs to be uplifted during this time of time of quarantine lower because we all need it out you guys have a blessed day. Enjoy this interview. Fam- I want you to think about one thing as your hopefully strapped on with your mask got your gloves on. And you're walking through the grocery store or maybe you're shopping online for groceries or maybe you didn't curbside pickup because God knows we don't want to go inside the grocery store right now. I want you to add something to your shopping. List called the Croix you guys. That's Lacrosse sparkling water. Yes Sir Lacroix. Sparkling water is been a staple in our family for quite a while now. Now there's nowhere to go and nothing to do. I'm probably consuming about five times as much. Lacroix's I have in the past which means if I was having one a day in the past. Now I'm up to about five because that's what quarantine does to you fam. You Open the fridge five times more than you should and you end up consuming a lot more but I thankfully love Lacroix Thankfully Lacroix loves me back because it's an innocent beverage. That doesn't have any sugars. Sweeteners or sodium. Or anything like that so I can drink five and a day and I don't have to feel bad about a you know what I'm talking about. We've all got one of those things you guys WanNa trial. The Croix sparkling water. They've also got this beautiful new flavor. Lemon Cellos ooh doesn't that. Just sounds delightful. Right now. Live in shallow sip and savor the pure joy in every lemon. Shell Lacroix guys it sunshine and can Lacrosse Lemon cellos. So if you WANNA add that to your shopping list strongly suggests that you can also check them out at Lacroix water dot com or on social media at Lacroix what guys we've got Andrew and Danielle on the show guys. How are you guys doing? We're doing well. How are you guys you know? We're we're podcasting from the bed. Yeah we're laying in bed right now. It's nice when we can actually pocket. I told like man. We kind of took it for granted back in the day when we would be in the studio and we would actually get face time with people and now we miss that face to face interaction but the PODCAST is helping us at least keep up with our communication skills by interacting with people. So we're excited to have you guys on our show. I know we're going to be on your show to will tell you guys more about that later But we're excited to have you guys on. It's always fun. We have other couples. Can we just say that? Because you guys you guys have a baby. How old is the baby? Seven eight months now. He just turned six months. Actually Oh wow fresh so six months. Y'All I mean let's just pause right there because things are starting to like really changed right now I mean. What are the biggest changes? You're going through with your baby right now. I would say the biggest change like we've noticed in the last four or five days that we can act actually see his neck now. Before that he was he was a shape. Oh my gosh that is I said. The same thing teeny Oh really starts coming to life between like six months. I remember like you start to see literally that they have an opinion too. And you're like Whoa like this isn't just a GLOB anymore. Yeah I noticed that same thing with with our baby which is is that. Has that been a. I guess that made it a little bit tougher now that you guys are kind of in the house all day together no. I think it's made it better amazing. His his personality is amazing. I think the one thing that has changed. That's becoming a little bit tougher as he's like really active already and he wants to touch and see everything so you can't just like cruise around and hold him and thank. You just GonNa chew on your arm these days. He's going for everything he lays eyes on man. I remember that. Y'All I mean we so. We tried to like hold off on the nanny thing for as long as we could with teeny our daughter and I think we got a nanny when she was about four months old. But you know we would just like stick. Her and she was only a part time nanny. She wasn't even fulltime. And so we would just stick her in that little those little balancer things you know. I'd be on my computer and she'd be right there and I remember it six months. It was just not cutting it anymore. Man hsu-tang are taking us back now towards the memory lane with that. It's such a fun phase though. Soak it up. She's two and a half now. It's like time flies. Time really does fly so you guys. It's Kinda sweet that you are taking this time in in this quarantine to embrace all of the the sweet moments and the crazy mobile moments that your kid is experiencing and he's so freaking cute. I wonder if maybe maybe him teeny can like get to know each other a little bit one day. Have a play day younger guys. So Steve is three months younger than me. You always do that. You're like okay. Who's older between? Y'All two Andrew's older by one year one month and one day. Dang they got through. Is there a name for older guys who like I mean I you know what I mean? There's cougars and there's I guess this is called normal like a panther. Yeah I'm a normal guy. That's all right y'all so so today. Yes we're doing quarantine questions. Y'All we sometimes have guests on. We love to play like this ten questions to get to know you guys a little bit more but obviously we've all been in quarantine crazy. Let's we we want to want to ask you guys some questions about yourself. Quarantine style you guys ready to get down. Let's do it a All right so this first question is what's been your one thing you have to do every day to keep yourself sane for me. Not Easy to meditate and Reme- I'd say Cook Dinner. Ooh Okay. I want to talk about both of these. What pizza last night. Dinner remark so okay ask about meditation. What is the? What's the routine pretty simple? I just use the APP heads face pop that on every morning. I heard five fifteen or twenty minutes or whatever and just get my mind right. It's a simple. I've been going through a program on there for appreciation and I'm just like keep circling back. There it's ten courses so one a day for ten days and for some reason like that's just been my focus right now so I just keep going through it. That's that's awesome. Are you still are you? Are you getting up like normal hours? Are you sleeping later? 'cause we've been sleeping in like crazy sleep a little later. I mean like L. Wakes up around like anywhere between six and seven so we're pretty much awake and then if we set your alarm clock exactly we somehow does off. Then that's a plus is there? Is there one of you that like if the other one can sleep in? Do you guys get bitter at the other person like aren't you know? Why are you suffering with me? Right hundred percent. Who's the one who gets better? Both of us we will. Yeah maybe so. I'm of more use to him sleeping in 'cause I just I have to wake up. 'cause I feed him. I'm still nursing. But in order to sort of have a fair trade. I make him actually physically get out of bed and pick up. Gio from the crib and then bring him to me. I mean I remember reading this like it was like this. Dad's handbook before we had teeny and he was like the whole. You know I remember. They had some sort of an arrangement where it was like mom was getting up and it was the same sort of thing was like. I had to go and pick up the baby and bring into mom. You know what I mean. 'cause like mom which is getting so bitter just helped so much especially because we're in like Zombie mode when you're having a breastfeed it's like you are that babies want twenty four seven milk machine so that's funny. You guys must appreciate your sleep because there's some people that are like. Oh I just naturally get up at five. Am every day. And I'm like what we love our sleep so so Dan Yellow. So you're cooking or it was this contested Andrew. You're saying are you. GonNa jump in here down in the kitchen. She was the one that was doing that. Beforehand solid eight years. I through the night. So what kind of things are we? What kind of things do you guys cooking? I want to know because we need some. We need some inspiration now okay. So she's she's Italian so we definitely throw down some Italian so we got sauce going like once a week at least a lot of Mexican food. We love until soup or a variation of lentil soup. Okay I love to what was going to say. I don't know any. I don't know many guys you love soup. I can eat soup and the heat. It's so good it's kind of like if you hear a guy being like I love a good super dinner. You kinda hardy. It has to be hardy then. Like Chile Chile's a good soup and we'll do chilly we love case. India's we're regressing over here. We have cereal now who I feel is it. What are the grocery stores like right now in? La like totally still shelves are been ripped apart or honestly the last time we went. We've only been once really since. We were quarantined And so most of the stuff. I'm trying to get just sent to the house but Yeah I went in and actually looked okay for the first time. I think they mellowed out. It's the same thing here but there's like this. There's like a weird. Yeah everyone's wearing masks gloves just to be like on top of all right guys. I've got the second question here. Are you fighting slash arguing more or less during this quarantine season? Look at the juicy questions I am like Barbara Walters in here. Just throwing odds are real questions. So are we talking about this whole time or can we separate the first week from the second week we're going to want to average it out? So yes so we're GONNA average definitely a little bit more than usual the last like four or five days on the last couple of days. You've been easy but before that we had like two or three days where it didn't matter line if you breathe in the same room like it was on its way. I feel that you think it's because like you know what I mean like the expectations like we already. You know were kind of like in the zone of like understanding we're in quarantine and you throw a kid in the mix tune. It's like Whoa. Your your emotions are being buttons are being pushed that are just from your external environment. You're just like oh my gosh. I can't take this. We've definitely had some fights to I think really just have it's just the three of us right and our dog so with all that and then trying to get worked on or just how stuff done it makes it really challenging. So we're really trying to work on splitting the day up so that I get mornings. And then he gets afternoons with. Gio that we feel like we're both getting our stuff taken care of. And that's helped us a lot but prior to that we were like on each other because we're like neither one of us can get anything done. Yeah is so true. And that's like our next question. Was You do you guys I mean? Do you have any help with the baby? It's just y'all three correct GESTA. Yeah we had help part of the quarantine we had family. That would come over pretty often. But since then we've taken pretty seriously we've Kinda just locked up three of US ourselves so no so like that's definitely seem changer. Yeah Yeah I am but I think what you said was so good about just having like an understanding and a schedule set. Because you know we've been like we sold our house in l. a. In last. May It's almost been a year and we were kind of in limbo since then you know going back and forth between awesome in La and. We didn't have a nanny so we had. If we were like at each other's necks and we had to figure out it was like like you say like okay if you want to get up early and go work out like you can go early and workout and do some work. And then while you're doing that I'll watch the baby and then when you come back it's my time it forces you to create new structure A schedule wall. And even in this Corentin. We've had to do that because we've been living out of suitcases for nine months. We just finally bought a house in Texas but that this time is really taught as a valuable lesson on the importance of like being flexible but also being very disciplined in structure as our kids. I think there's nothing more. That kids crave Then structure in having a routine and it's like if mom and dad aren't you know on top of their stuff. It's like man. We're all going to go crazy. And so we've definitely learned that too in this time as we've been trying to balance it all and take care of a toddler a growing toddler. A rapidly growing toddler. All right I think The structure pieces so important. I think I kind of pushed that online for awhile. And she's come around to that and we were really supportive of each other time. But that's one thing I would say to. Any new parents really is It's really important to just like put everything on the table and prepared beforehand because when you have structure in place that you can lean on it just makes your life so much easier. Yeah Yeah we all crave it totally does and you value your time right. You're like Oh man. This is my three hours that I get to like right where it's like I get to do. What are y'all like what are y'all's individual things your pocket things where it's like a five three hours like this is what. I really want to work on her. Do so prior to having. Gio even throughout my whole pregnancy. I'd say worked out probably six seven days a week. Now it's funny I've I've really put that to the side but when I do find myself getting a chunk of time. I think I'm pretty simple nowadays. It's like if I can get on a walk and listen to some good podcast. I'm happy that's good just moving and doing something mentally peaceful Andrew Andrew. What about you? I'm pretty simple. Two men like I need. I need to work out pretty much every day. That helps keeps me sane to Yeah Meditation piece and then Just like her right now. The only thing we can really do to switch things up is kind of get out in the neighborhood. Walk around so I put G. and my little like front carrier sack. There was little sunk off on a hat or a beating or something and we just cruise the neighborhood. That's also key yeah. One of our question was about fitness. Because y'all it is been I don't know what happened but not having Jim and then like like I said we're renovating the House that we bought here in Austin and so we are with family right now and so we. There's this one room. My Dad has like his man cave. That's like this detached room from the house and that's the only thing that has some workout equipment but I'm telling you guys it has been like Saz of the champ. She's like six seven days a week like she's she's crazy but I'm like a solid four to five type person but hard for me because he likes the heavier weights and and a lot of the machines since I had teeny in even before then I was always a big fan of the home. Workout programs like the sweat APP. I love BBC in those kinds of workouts where you can knock it out in twenty eight minutes and so the quarantine didn't change that for me. I was still able. I've always been working out in little nooks and crannies of the House and in hotel rooms so it didn't really change that but I do miss the gym. There's something about being in an environment around other people who are motivated and are getting it in it. Just kind of jump starts your day. Plus it's nice getting out of the house so we're just trying to get more creative going for jogs and walks as well which has been really good. But y'all have fitness equipment at your house. Or how are you? How are you staying in shape yet? It's mostly just like putting together a makeshift workouts. We have a few pieces like we have a treadmill and we have this like cable machine thing that you can do a bunch of stuff off and then I have Iraq like Iraq and but I don't even have a bar started just been using whatever happened is just making stuff up as we go. I ordered a trx t-rex yet. Because I was like walking through my my parent's garage and I was like where can I hang this from l? I was like I need to drill some hooks in the ceiling or something because I'm not able to get in any sort of backward out right now and and if I can't do pull ups after this things over I'm going to be really mad looking at all the ceilings and every inch of the house like where can I hang these right. It's like if you go to the park and you start doing pull ups there. I mean like someone's GonNa come and kill you know they're going to be out here. I know extreme like I'm not I had a weird question. You guys and this is going back to parenting. Because I almost said like Andrew Almost said like Papa what are you doing? Do you guys like this wasn't on our questions. But since as and I became parents like I'll just like call her mama. You know what I mean and so it's like or you talk to like Your Dad. Your friends that are dad's you like. What'S UP Daddy? What's up is that just me or do you guys do that too now. We do that too that before because we have dogs so somehow we always just sort of called each other mom and dad when g I and you have to keep doing it. Because here's the thing our daughter she now calls Stevie Babe like she'll be like babe and I'm like no no no that's daddy daddy or she'll be like Steve. I love you. Steve Unlike teeny. That's daddy that's Daddy. Yeah you guys. You guys might find out that that that happens. You know they're calling you. Buy Your full names. And you're like dude. I thought I thought it was going to have respect released thirteen. See I'm throwing a little wrench in there. I'm I call myself like dad or Daddy and then call her Dad Aso when he gets one of the two. It's GonNa be me smart. That's that's awesome whenever whenever our daughter like does something wrong. I don't make her say yes sir I make always make her say yes daddy. You don't like Steve. It's just sounds inappropriate. Because I know I just think it's just funny because what up saying that right. Well I just I just feel like it's like a sweeter way and like a less like to me when my parents when I was younger and they'd say like Yes sir. Yes ma'am I just was always like dude that silverlake. It's too intense formal so but now says always laughs at me. You know. I'll be like I'll say some guests daddy and I'm like Oh my hey I don't know if you guys are looking for new ways to kill some time during this quarantine but if you're looking for a new game we've got the hookup for you guys here on the good life It's called best scenes. Steve we talked about it before. It's free on the APP store or Google play but this is a game that is really great. Because it's like a fun puzzle game but it challenges you in really cool unique ways. There's literally thousands of challenges on there and you can collect cute little characters and actually make it quite a competition. 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I've got a great question. I want to ask this one because this is probably my favorite my favorite quarantine question yet. What's been your Go-to show slash? Have you guys binge-watch anything yet? So that's an easy one. It's tiger king. Oh that's the one we're currently on. Tell us where. Where have you finished yet? We've finished. It's like I've never been locked into. Tv your show or whatever. Oh my can we just talk about it for a second like where I want to hear what you guys think because I have so many thoughts so what I took away from it and she has her thoughts to but like. I just been walking around the house. Go Carol You oh my God shrimp the characters in that show or just like nothing I've ever seen and it so it's real you know. They're not even made up. I know who who we have two episodes left so we have a pretty good idea. I mean unless I'm sure some things are gonna hit the fan like every episode has gone crazier and crazier like when you think. Oh there's no way it's going to get crazier than the last. It gets crazier than the last lake. It's insane but who in Y'all's mine is like. The cringes careless saying. Wow there's something eerie about that woman. I really do think she killed her husband. Yes so I don't want to oil something but I've they don't show it on the show so it doesn't matter anyways I've been watching David spades. Been getting a lot of the characters into interviews on instagram recently. And he got say forget his name the guy. The manager of the zoo prosthetic legs. Yeah anyways he's Carol had a missing husband before the one that they talk about being missing on the show and he said that this is all like in the footage that they captured. So there's a of unreleased footage that he thinks is gonNA eventually come out and more like episodes in the future so there's more to know there's more to Carol Baskin you cool cats and kittens that is can you do your Carol Voice Babe. You way but you nailed it. She goes she goes. Hey are you cool cats and kittens? It's Me Care Baskin. I mean I if I was ever in a room with that woman I would run the other way. You know what my my whole thing. So far with. This show is Dang. I feel sorry for the animals. That's my one thing like you and we're not even like crazy animal people. You know what I mean but I am I get it. Yeah anyone who has a heart and anyone who loves people and celebrates and appreciates life. You would never treat anything living like that and it's just sad because the way that he's caught off camera when he doesn't know the cameras may be on him the way he treats his staff unlike imagine the way he treats the animals if that's how he's talking to like humans you know that's a really good point is so sad. He just wants to be famous. And I told Steve I was like that's why he has all this footage because he's been wanting to be famous for years. So crazy is yeah. I mean he wanted to be famous so bad and then you know look where he ended up and now this netflix documentaries come out like everybody in the. Us At least knows who this guy is so we got exactly what he wanted. But just that's he's like loving this right now I'll let you guys know who my whom I cringe when it's all over. I mean it's A. It's kind of a three way tie right now. I'm not sure a third one that guy and I feel like they haven't I mean so far. They haven't shown as much about the guy in South Carolina but that dude. I mean that's the one I'm talking about. Yeah I'm like Doc. Whatever he's got sock Anton he's a weird dude man that guy's got some onto its core. I told my sister I was like I. I actually feel like he's somebody who like like Beats People. I was like I just get that from him. He's a violent like I don't know I could be wrong. We're GONNA FINISH IT tonight. We have to. We're going to see a lot of spoilers coming up. Y'All we've been watching that show but also my friend's been telling me for years to hop on peaky blinders. Have you guys seen no? No we haven't who I love. We're we're all the way through season three. If you need a good show peaky seven seasons or something six or seven seasons. I think so. It's definitely worth watching. It's based on like twenty nine thousand nine hundred eighty s English gangsters. But I never thought I could get into a show like that but I'm into it and so I don't know you guys might appreciate it. It's not as cringely as a Tiger King. But it's it's a good show can only be one tiger kinks. That's right only one all right next question. Question is you guys. What's been your number one source of news that you've been keeping up with on Corona and all that would you say Gosh I mean really. It's like trickle down our family to me thing like I don't watch the news so neither does Andrews so we Kinda just wait until like there's something big enough to know somehow make it. Yeah like family group chat or something like that. What about you guys for that one? That's the same thing and I just feel like I feel like that's our generation. I mean my dad is Mr like watching the news and so he's always watching it so right now it'd be getting second hand news. You know what I mean like a walk by this here stuff or stop for a SEC. But I don't know I just feel like that's our generation because we don't like to. I don't know about you guys but for us. I mean just putting too much stock in the news you know. What do you think I think the one site that I am keeping up with is just the world meters site where it gives you the current number by the minute of like? How many cases are rising in different parts of the world? So I'm just kind of keeping an eye on the numbers in the updates on the world meter website. And it'll tell you like today. I clicked it and it said that the US has now surpassed number one spot so we have over two hundred thousand cases that have been reported and that has surpassed China and all of the others but It's weird to me that China's just kind of stopped. I wonder if they just stopped reporting on it. Because that's crazy how you go from eighty one thousand and then it just goes to zero like that doesn't make sense to me. That's the theory that I've heard too is that they've just stop reporting. I wonder why that's the thing I feel like. It just makes them. It doesn't look good on China. You know globally because people will you know. Oh we got this from China and yeah thoughts towards towards China. I don't know but I'm that's what I'm guessing you know like we don't. We don't really want to our onto onto a better question guys. What's one thing you've been doing in quarantine that you weren't doing before interesting question I mean fees timing. I wasn't a big facetime or prior to this and now I feel like I face time you know our family way more often than ever before. That's good that's mine too or Zoom Calls Papa. What about you? What's that Baba nothing? Yup can't think of anything right now. Yeah it's it's a hard life just because we had geo you know in in everything really slowed down and changed very quickly for us. This is almost taking us back to those initial few months. We were just sort of quarantined. Schlemiel we didn't have enough time until I get back out into the world so it just feels like a really extended. Yeah post-partum see. That's what I told people I was home schooled and now I work from home so I just tell people I'm like dude off in prep for this my whole life dude. I'm your boys not fazed by this. What's new like serious? My my brother and my family who are all used to being out all day. We're with them being all day working going to appointments and stuff. They're all going nuts and Cesar like not necessarily in stride. But we're like. Oh Yeah you know like whatever. It's basically the same for us. It's not a big deal you guys about that. I didn't know if you were already like pretty much working from home all the time anyway. So as much changed for you it's been it's been it's been more quiet. You know because even though we worked from home you know you'd get a rush of emails. Phone calls meetings and virtual things that we deadlines we needed to get done but right now a lot of the campaigns that we were about to close they kind of dislike postpone them. They kind of just said we're going to hit the pause button doesn't mean we're not. GonNa do them. We'RE HITTING THE PAUSE BUTTON. So all of those pending opportunities are just now starting to pick up again but it's been really quiet for us like I feel like we're in our first Like right the fog phase of bright when we had teeny like I feel like we're in that same bubble of like Whoa. What do we do with this time that we have right now and it's just so quiet quiet and it's like we're having to learn how to be still and just trust the process but we can't complain though? We are so blessed that we have the opportunity to work from home when so many people in so many industries have had no option but to be laid off from their jobs like the the restaurants the hotel businesses even the transportation airline businesses have really suffered so we just kind of try to always look at it with the glass half full instead of half. My thing is been like our houses. You know. We're working on our home in. My parents are in construction. So my the thing that I've been able to do you know that I wouldn't be able to do. We weren't quarantined. Stuff is being able to go work at the House and I used to work for my dad and and do all that kind of stuff and so for me. It's been super therapeutic to just go over there and do some demos stuff or just do whatever I can do. At the House you know. Workwise and That's been really nice from because if we had a regular schedule right now. There's no way I'd be able to you know. Go over there and and work and do all that so that has been my my one. Yeah that's actually been that's been my high point. That was our next question to you. Guys what's been what's been the high point in the low point of all this for you the highpoint. It's probably just the appreciation. I think we fell for just everything I think that first week and a half was pretty shocking and we were realizing. Oh my gosh. Little things like toilet paper in basic food necessities was so precious to us You know things have obviously mellowed out. Since then we realized we have everything that we need but that he's really fell like I feel like everyone was set back and realized Oh wait. We're so lucky to have the means that we took for granted before in the low point. The scary factor. Just like the moments when you see something on your your social media feed of someone ill or had passed away and it just that realism hitting really hard has this at all affected sugar TACO. Yeah we had to close unfortunately so we were opened for the first few days of being officially quarantined or safer at home. And it just didn't make sense. You know I think like your businesses have to outweigh the pluses and minuses. And and it just made more sense for us to close by. I am so supportive of the businesses. That are staying open. And I'm sure it's it's it's a tricky position to be in because you know we've all questions should we even be buying food from outside or should we be making everything out on because you know there's risk in everything but I know the businesses that we are staying open are taking those CDC guidelines. Very seriously so I just have to trust you. Know that's good. I think for us. You know I was selling you the tonight says I was like you know the silver lining in all this I think for us is just kind of like what you said is cherishing things that you just didn't take the time to do before you know and even just. I think the mental space that we've cleared out you know I was talking to my brother this morning. And just how in the US we just don't we just don't take time to slow down. You know everything I just feel like in our nature. We're so competitive. Whether it's in business or in sports or in life you know in that competition it just it doesn't allow us to fully rest and I feel like specifically here in the USA. You know like the silver lining has been just clearing out some mental space. Would you guys agree a hundred percent? I keep telling all my buddies that The biggest thing I'm taking away from this is just having the time and the space mentally to audit my time so look like everything that's going on in a given day or week or whatever and go like you know what I actually enjoy doing. What do I not enjoy doing work and be more efficient? What can I remove like? How can I basically build my dream? Day My Dream Life. Yeah absolutely and I and I think that's how I think that's how we you know have to look at it. You know and and and we have to be as productive as we can be in you know working on new hobbies or investing in our health and things like that. My last question you guys before you get out of here is. Are you taking time to Tick Tock? We're GONNA have guys about that. I tried I attempted I just I'm just a couple generations too old for it to come natural. Then there's too many times vegetables out there but you know killing it now way. My husband's such a character. That's on there. She went to her mom's for a week which was actually good for us. You know like she was like I'm going to go to my mom's for a week you know and just be with her and take teeny and so I was able to just kind of like do my own thing for a week and I was like you know what I'm GonNa figure out this frigging tectonic thing out not quite but like. I'm just I'm just having fun with it. Unlike I used to be so worried about the content that I would put up on any platform with tech talk. I'm like dude bump this I'm just GonNa do something. Some silly Gygi little dances. Do you know what I mean. There's some silly yeah just slap it up and have a good time because what really curious about this and what allowed you to just get over the Hump of caring about what you put out there. I don't know I I've really struggled with that honestly like big time. I've struggled with it a ton and then I don't know dude I really think is a platform that just gives you permission to your gate and not because if you over think it you notice. It doesn't do well you know. I think I've been on the cusp of really trying to get over that for a long time like because I can be really really really goofy and like come you know what I mean like just a little bit off weird and stuff and I'm like I don't want you know what I mean I'm like I don't think I'm like too crazy so I've shied away from. I guess really just putting out things that I really enjoy myself and bigger funny and so right. Now I'm just I'm just learning to kind of step into whatever do like I'm GonNa throw this out there and if it sticks great if it doesn't whatever you know it's like if I swing five times and hit one home run. I've got one home run if I didn't swing swing it all so That's kind of just been my mentor. New Platform guys sure. Once you start doing like just once you do it for like a couple of weeks. I'm trying to get the thing. Is You have to do the stuff. That's kind of trending and just save some of the sounds and stuff and just do kind of just repeating it but adding your own flair and that's what kind of helps you grow on the platform and is actually pretty fun. Because you can't over think it and so if he does it. I'm like I'm all for it but as you guys know there's so many other platforms that we have to manage including our podcasts. That I can't imagine adding another one on that play so I'm like if you want to do that but it's it's it takes. It takes a little bit of that like creativity that I feel like. I'm still trying to find time for right now growing entertaining. We got lost on it last night. Just watching everyone else's content found telling you just slap some silliness up there and see what sticks and then just roll with it. You know what I mean. That's what I keep telling thousands like let's for court five call it a day. I I love that. I want my do that more with Andrew. I need to get him on board. We'll just say let's slap some silliness. I'm on board there. You go challenge guys to do that the next the next week our guys. This was so fun. Thank you guys for hanging out with us on our show. Good Life Fam- you guys have to check out their podcast. Adulting like a mother father. It's a show about adulting and I just love it if you guys. Don't follow them on instagram. You've got to check it out. I love the instagram page. By the way for your podcast like the little cartoon character drawings that you guys did. It's so cute Super Inspirational. We wish you guys nothing but the best and were excited that we're going to be on your show too so you guys got to check that out. Thanks for having enough and we're in Austin or you're in La we'll have to meet up. Yes Ngoga me. As soon as quarantine goes away. We'RE COMING FOR SUSHI IN LA. So we'll hit you. You guys have a great rest of your week. Fam- hope you guys enjoy the interview with Danielle and Andrew. If you guys WANNA fallen on social media at Daniela Monet and Galveston Guy. They're couple. We had a lot of fun. And of course we're talking about quarantine says and I want to read you something that I'm not sure if it's crueler if it's funny ready for this is from the New York Times the title. They were the last couple in Paradise. H- now they're stranded shit This is a story about a couple. Y'All that went to the Maldives on March twenty. Second planning to stay for six days on their honeymoon and they are still there. How many what is that? They were going to raise their day for six days. Now they've been there for sixteen seventeen days something like that. I mean they're surrounded by staff. Everyone's isolated in the Maldives. I mean is that is that cruel or is that like is that the best way to spend warriors thing I mean if they're staying at a five star hotel in great if they're having to continue paying for it that sucks but it could be worse is not a bad place to because I'm assuming it's been it's being contain there but they probably have to pay half price is what it says that they consider taking a speedboat ride to the main island trying their luck at the airport but the Maldives had also announced that on their own. Lock down there on their lockdown around the same time so they were banning new travelers in any foreign travelers. So if they left. They weren't sure if they could come back in and they didn't want to be quarantined in some little island at an airport. So they stay there. I mean the Maldives. Y'All if you haven't seen it make a great story one day to their further and they're getting so much great content I by six on. I'm like okay. There are worse places. You could be stuck. You know what I mean like. You could be stuck in a desert somewhere with no amenities. I mean it's so it's it's very odd. I wonder if there's other people staying at the hotel. Probably their opponent might not be the only ones but anyways I say that because obviously the staff can't go home to their families because if somebody staying there and they they have to stay basically on the grounds but I just wonder are. They made like sucks. But I'm not going to say it's like the worst case scenario like that's a pretty good place to be but are they charging you know what I mean. I think they are charging probably a cheap price. Even though you I mean the chef and all them are just cooking up a storm. You're right you're right but like how blows my mind dude. I mean what I mean. What if ever meals thirty bones a piece relax some shrimp? It's like baby girl. We spend eighty dollars a night. We were supposed to do this for six days. And for starting your marriage off like that just the two of you all day every day on a remote island. You're really getting to know each other now. Do that is. That's just wild. I would want to be on an island with you. Well I mean I think we'd have a great time. We get along really kill each other at some point but it'd be fun while it lasted so it also talks. I mean when you first move in. It's a big adjustment marriage right our first six months with the hardest month of our marriage. People are definitely went through it in the Maldives. I don't really know I feel bad for them. They're stranded away from people. That's what would really feel weird because it's like okay. I want to go home now. That maybe they'd be stranded from people once they got home to. Y'All I just find that so interesting. We're praying for them guys can Leave a comment leave a rating review. Whatever let us know what you think about quarantine in the mall Ds. I can't stop. I'm looking out this window right now. We're filming one of the bedrooms and I just see ts. Small Little McLaren car parked outside the garage and cute. We're GONNA take a for a drive so we're GONNA go to wrap this up. Y'All don't forget to leave us a review and as always. We hope you'll come back next week for another episode of the Good Life with CVs. Zahn we love you all so much. Enjoy the rest of your week and Hashtag Stay. Hold a home and keep your head up. Y'All this is only temporary temporary temporary those mounds out of love. You guys have a great week.

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11 Trivia Questions on The Human Body

Trivia With Budds

07:49 min | 4 months ago

11 Trivia Questions on The Human Body

"It's eleven trivia questions on the human body get ready to pick your body apart. This is trivia with buds. Known. Mood. What it'd be and welcome to another episode of the Trivia with Buds podcast I'm your host Ryan Buds. Thanks for checking out my show. Today we have a whole episode for You I with eleven questions on the human body and we are going to kick things off by reading a brand new review of the show on itunes or up to two hundred and forty three reviews got an average of four point eight out of five so that Is Very. Very cool. This is a new five star review from G. L. Dollar Sign Eleven on ten four twenty says best trivia what it be trivial buds is the best. It's great to choose from the various categories and test my knowledge in the car or during breakfast. My favorite are the random question Trivia 's keep pumping out these great episodes but I sure will G. L. dollars sign eleven and thank you so much for leaving that review. Guys I'm looking for more reviews and looking for more interaction with what you like about the show and I'm looking for the next three reviews to give away some brand new Elvira trivia with buds magnet. So this is me. Dressed up as ELVIRA and a great little illustration from my friend. Brian Ward three magnets to Malia, and all you have to do is leave a review and then send me an email Ryan Buds G. dot com and say, Hey, I just left her view on I tunes and here's my mailing address in the first three people to do that we'll get these Elvira magnets just in time for Halloween. We're going to jump into eleven questions on the human body right now. Here we go. All right guys we are diving into some human body related trivia questions. Let's see if you know all these answers number one approximately how many bones does the average adult have question number one approximately how many bones does the average adult have number one? Question number two, five, human senses are sight hearing taste touch, and what five human senses are sight hearing taste touch and what what's missing their number two. And number three. What is the most common human blood type? What is the most common human blood type number three Number four what is the colored portion of the human I called? What is the colored portion of the human I called number. Four. Question number five approximately how many pints of blood doesn't average adult body contain approximately how many pints of blood doesn't average adult body contained. And number six human sex determination occurs at six to seven weeks in Jeff. Station prior to this, all fetuses are essentially what? Number seven. What part of the human blood carries oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body part of human blood carries oxygen from the lungs the rest of the body. And eight what is the largest solid organ and the average adult human? What is the largest solid organ the average adult human? Question Nine, what nine hundred, sixty, six, sci fi film involved injecting a miniaturized crew into a human body what nineteen sixty six film was that An number nine number ten, what spiral shaped ear bone is mainly responsible for hearing what spiral shaped ear bone is mainly responsible for hearing. Andy Bonus question to close out this episode humans are the only animals with which of these body parts. Is it a belly button fingernail knuckle or Chin Chin Belly Button fingernail or Chin or sorry or knuckle knuckle cinelli button fingernails. Those are your choices humans, the only animals with which of those body parts. All right. Those are your questions for the human body will be right back in just a second to see how you did. We are back with the answers to human body Trivia here comes question number one and the answer approximately how many bones does the average adult have we are looking for around two hundred for this one kind of just general answer there I think. The actual answer is like two. Oh, six to five. But if you put somewhere around two hundred, that's the approximate answer we were looking for number two the five human senses are sight hearing taste touch. And smell when you smell stuff like a Yankee candle, maybe burning some kind of autumn sent around your house right now in time for Halloween number three, what is the most common human blood type O positive I think that's what I am but I have no idea. My wife asked me the other day she goes what's your blood type I said I don't think anyone's ever asked me before they're thirty four years of life I have no idea. Number four what is the colored portion of the human I call? That's the Iris also a Goo Goo dolls song number five approximately. How many pints of blood doesn't average adult body contained? That's eight pints of blood eight number six human sex determination occurs at sixty seven weeks in station prior to all fetuses are essentially female female. Number seven what part of the human blood carries oxygen from the lungs to the rest of the body that the red blood cells, red blood cells, number eight. What is the largest solid organ in the average adult human? That's the liver liver alone STU. And number nine, what nine, hundred, sixty, six, sci fi film involved injecting a miniaturized crew into human body. That is fantastic voyage. Also the plot of most of the magic school bus episodes I remember as a kid number ten, what spiral shaped your bone is mainly responsible for hearing. You're using it right now to listen to this episode and that's the coke. La. Cochlea. And number eleven. Humans are the only animals with which of these body parts we had Chen belly button fingernails and knuckles. The answer was Chin Chin. So they have it hopefully adds fun learning some stuff about the human body or testing your knowledge the new, and we have one more thing for you call the fact of the day today's factor. The day is coca-cola was originally green. Have you ever seen at those pictures of it? Coca Cola was originally green go look it up kind of weird Kinda weird. Thank you guys. For listening to the show, if you WANNA support the show, monetarily go to Patriot dot com slash trivia with buds and throw a few bucks. My Way I'm getting ready to mail the rewards for September obviously a little bit late here I always do the previous month at the start of the new month. So I'm only eleven days late, but those will be going very soon. Throw Buck. Up to fifty bucks or more if you WANNA be crazy. There's all kinds of different rewards on there including e Book of the Month Club and We have like a sticker club. Puzzle Club and different things like that. So go check that out patriot dot com slash trivia with buds. Thank you guys for listening. Thanks for telling a friend. We'll see you next time for more Trivia with me. Cheers. earned. A.

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Celebrity Hangover Cures, Group Photo Tips, and Demi Moore's Bathroom

The Sunday Scaries Podcast

17:49 min | 8 months ago

Celebrity Hangover Cures, Group Photo Tips, and Demi Moore's Bathroom

"My name's will to freeze, and this is a Sunday scary podcast your cure for the Sunday blues. Today, we're GONNA learn how to take the perfect group. Discuss, some celebrity hangover cures and do a deep dive on Demi Moore's bathroom. It's a tale as old. As time, you could be out at a restaurant. Maybe you could be sightseeing on vacation or just spending some time with friends over a long weekend. You're enjoying yourself. You're maybe having a drink. And then it happens. Someone walks up to you and Charlie asks. Hey, can you take a photo for us? I, get asked this question a lot, and it's for numerous reasons. The first is that I'm a decent photographer. If somebody knows me, they usually go to me. I in this situation to ask me to take the photo especially if it's my wife and my wife's family. I'm also married to. Wife with a huge family, and so I'm often the facto guy now that I'm not the new man in the crew. It kind of is easier for me to avoid the responsibility since I'm in most of the photos, but if it's like a girl's picker something, it's usually always me, and then the third reason is that I'm just too nice to say now well throughout all my years of trying to take group. Group photos for people and try not to get it wrong so I don't have to Redo it I've come up with six steps to make sure that you can have success to the first is to take control the situation. You kind of have to go by a script you go over there, and you stand behind her. Siri your short getting the front tear your like six foot tall stand in the back. Half of you in the shadows to takes four steps to the right. Okay one step back all right perfect. It goes a little something like that. The longer it takes more, they get, the more they take advantage of you, and this is I've learned a lot. You have to really take control the situation. Direct it and make sure they feel like they're in good hands with you. The second step is to hold the phone high. I know this seems a little stupid, but it's absolutely necessary. There are some issues with holding a phone low when you're taking the photo in the first one is the most important one double Chins! If. You're like me and you could probably stand to lose a few pounds. You have a double Chin in every photo. Even if other people don't notice you, notice because you always notice your double chin. The other reason that is not great to hold the phone lows that it just completely blocks the background and the reason that they're taking the photo in the first place. We'll maybe not the reason, but a reason. They're taking the the first place. And the final reason is that everyone looks better. Look down on, versus from above. There's something about holding it above. That just makes people look skinnier. It reduces the aforementioned double Chin and it's just much more pleasing to the eye. And I will say that the push your tongue to the roof of your mouth to avoid having a double Chin Chin while smiling trick. It doesn't really work. Trust me. Step three take as many photos as humanly possible. If you're not familiar taking photos on an iphone, there's something called the burst function. You hold your finger down while taking a photo and it takes about a million photos all at once, and it just fills someone's camera with it. It's great you have to move your hands slightly every couple seconds to make sure that you're getting different shots for them or maybe even flipped the phone to the side, but taking his many photos as possible makes so that they have no choice but to. To accept that you took all these photos, and you're not gonNA. Take anymore. You have to make sure that you take enough photos that it fills up there camera roll screen if it does that, that doesn't give them enough time to flip through every single photo that you've taken, and they actually have to just go with it and choose one of the ones that you did because by the time that they've gone through all of them. You're hopefully long gone. Step for you really have to master portrait mode, but this only works in. In certain situations, the first situation is that it's with three people maximum, if it's one or two perfect three even gets a little dicey before people. It's usually too many people to fit into a portrait mode photo. You have to stand eight feet away. If you're not doing it, the phone will bark at you and tell you that you have to stand eight feet away, so step forward and then if you need to take a few steps back, you can usually keep it locked in around ten feet to you can also moved the. The phone horizontally back and forth until it locks on the subjects, which is something that it took me way too long to learn, and then you can also note to them that you can edit the depth after as you hand the phone back. This is a new update to the IPHONE, the most recent IOS or something, but you can actually edit the amount of depth in any of the portrait mode photos you take, and it makes it a lot easier to take a nice photo without having to Redo it ten different times. Step five countdown from three to one not only does this everyone's attention, but then you have to start taking the photos when you start saying to this, get some candid shots in there and everyone kinda keeps talking. You know having a good time and you ensure that you get the candidate shot that they actually want and not just the one where everyone's smiling at the camera. At some point, everyone's going to start fake laughing with one another, which is just an unspoken attempt to get candid shot. 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You know that a lot of hangover cures have been presented on dim-sum brunches working out, which actually doesn't really work spot as the list really goes on my go-to hangover, care however is pretty simple, and I really don't deviate from it pretty much ever. I wake up I drink a coffee or a tea mortiz days as you know. I immediately shower because the more retire, you take a shower, the more you just feel bad about yourself instead sit in your own stench from the day before. We eat a light healthy breakfast which I know goes against the rules of a lot of people trying to cure hangover. I'd like to take swim whether it's an a pool. A Lake River anything a swim, and just covering yourself in water can cure pretty much. Everything I like to lounge around. noon. have an indulgent dinner and then take a sleep aid to go to bed. It's nothing special, but that's my routine whenever I'm feeling a little little. Little tough the next day after having a few too many drinks tonight for celebrities unbeknownst to us. Also get hangovers to John. Mayer actually stopped drinking altogether after Drake's birthday party a few years ago and still doesn't drink to this day. Those are some of the worst Sunday scares have ever heard, but I kind of understand it I thought today. I'd go through some famous celebrities and see what their hangover cures where we'll. We'll start with Prince Harry who has a pretty simple one? He apparently claims drink strawberry milkshakes. If you know anything about Prince, Harry I mean he's been very prominent in the news lately, but back in the day before Meghan, markle. He definitely had a party stretch I think he was caught on camera in Las Vegas in a hotel room once so you have to think he knows a thing or two about a hangover. Good of Paltrow a longtime kind of punching bag of this podcast unfortunately is big into hydrotherapy. She actually wrote a little something for goop on it. That I'll read now. She said if you have the time. The inclination I found that the best hangover remedy can be a hot and cold spot. Truman, starting to hot drive room, and then move into an even warmer steam room than splash yourself with cold water, even Dunkin a cold pool, or under Koelsch our follow a full body scrub down which is. is typically followed by massage. At the end you'll be sent to a cool room to relax and cool down I've been known to recreate this experience at home to just draw bath. That is hot as you can. That is hot as you can handle and mix in some epsom salts and Baking Soda Soaked for twenty minutes, and then pop into a freezing cold shower for one minute. Get back in the hot bath and stay until you're warmed. Then get back in the shower for one more minute. That seems a little high maintenance, and maybe honestly a little too expensive for most of us, but honestly it sounds pretty good i. do like getting the SPA treatment when I'm hung over one of the reasons that I was really excited about our Laguna beach was because the hotel that we're staying has one of the best spas I've ever been through my research. I also figured out that Zoe Saldana agrees with hydrotherapy. Methodology of all this next. We have Kate Hudson. She says that she drinks a lot of tomato. Juice eats fresh fruit. NAVA Kado and takes loads vitamins. There's no word yet whether or not she put vodka and the tomato juice to make a nice bloody. Mary, but who knows I could see Kate Hudson doing that. She seems Pretty Fund Julia. Roberts says they bounce between Champagne and carrot juice, which sounds kind of like a way to healthy Mimosa but see I'm down to try it. Lady Gaga does croissants in the morning before party, so she actually pre plans for her hangovers, which is something that I can't respect more than I do. And then she also does green juice, but she says that health drinks tastes like fee to her, so she does a good yoga session to sweat out the whiskey from last night's quoting jam session as we know, and as I've preached before in this podcast a lot of times. It's just going to dehydrate more. More to do serious exercise, so you really have to be careful with that, and it's kind of a myth that that will cure your hangover Khloe Kardashian disgusted APP that she also does Yoga specifically the child's pose. She noted the position is said to stimulate the circulation of lymph fluid in your body. That Helps Remove Toxins Aka all the alcohol you drink last night again. It might work, but the science of says that this isn't the best thing to do. Allison, Williams, you might know her from get out or girls or her dad's Brian Williams who's been kind of you know skewered in the media in the last couple of years, but she said the smell of Rosemary in my eye cream wakes me up is pretty spectacular in hopes diminished dark circles after a long night of partying. Yeah, I mean okay. I think that's kind of a cop out answer, but I have to say she's staying very on brand if you know anything about her character Marnie in girls. Kate winslet has a very British answer, she said a sausage and Bacon Sandwich usually does it for me. She told this to the Mirror a UK tabloid. I guess it could be considered a newspaper, but it has tabloid vibes. Let's say that she says she has a glass of orange juice in Sugary Cup of tea. That sounds phenomenal. She notes that the combination perks you up and that she usually takes back to bed with her has a little sleep afterward and then gets in the shower to really wake yourself up. Another very British one from someone who's not British, but just plays one in movies Renee Zellweger. She has a very bridget Jones. -I hangover care and one that I've actually tested myself only a few times, but it does work a full English. Breakfast is good, or she does beans on toast. She says that food does the trick for me and I have to say when we are in England. Over new years I had my first full English breakfast when I was hung over one day and yeah, it did Kinda help. Hugh grant our final person, another Brit says he told the Herald Sun after a night on the town I. Find a plate full of Spaghetti Bowl and as in works wonders for me. My favorite restaurant in Austin called June's all day and one of the reasons that I love. It is because we would go for happy hour when they were doing happy hour on Sundays and order their bowling as at half off in most of the time in by most of the time all the time I was definitely hung over, and now that I think about it, this might be something that I might need to entertain tonight. I can say that good bathroom goes a long way. I just mentioned my trip and I think I've mentioned in pretty much every single episode I. Guess I need to get over that, but being in quarantine kind of just sending me back to my most recent travels, but we stated a hotel called the goring. It was a recommendation from my parents. They had stayed there way back in the day, and it's a legendary hotel in London, so we decided to try to spring and stay there as well when we walked in the room was immaculate, but the thing that I recognize the most was just how awesome the bathroom was it. It had marble everything and I'm not kidding when I say everything from the shower to the bathtub to the sink. The only thing that wasn't marble was the toilet and I'm not gonNA complain about that because I understand why they wouldn't wanNA marble toilet. They also had heated floors a surplus of towels that they would replenish every single night robes and slippers lights to dim to your liking. They even had a romantic setting that said on the actual dial. ooh, that's all. It said it would say dim, bright and ooh and they also had a steam shower which will change everyone's. Hangover, but this week I think it was on Wednesday. Demi Moore posted her bathroom and everyone on the Internet kind of lost it. She's currently quarantining and Hayley Idaho which I. Don't really know too much about it, but it sounds like a lot of celebrities are going to Idaho these days. When she posted the photo it was promotional for something might have been a podcast might have been a show. I had not really sure, but she posted it to her instagram immediately. People were kind of just like. What the hell. She sitting on a floral couch and her bathroom. That's facing the bathtub. It doesn't look like the floral couches even supposed to be there, and it's not that weird to have a couch in your bathroom. If your bathrooms fusion if you're just a rich person in general I, mean I'm way too poor to have a couch in my bathroom as much as maybe like it. I don't live in a country club. But just having a couch in there just seems a little weird and to just be sitting on it in front of your. Bathtub. Doing promotional stuff, it's just a little bizarre. The most bizarre thing that I think got the most attention is something that I've seen in many other bathrooms pretty much everywhere in a says, she had carpet and it's. It's kind of gross to have carpet in a bathroom as you may guess. I've seen it in guest bath where people don't have showers, bathtubs or Or things like that, but even having carpenter around a toilet is just you know gross for reasons that I don't think I need to explain. I can't even imagine how you would go about cleaning that when something might go wrong, I'm not saying that things go wrong often, but you never know like you might have a kid. You might have just somebody who. Had A bad meal. Maybe you have hugh grant over, and he had too much Bolan as I. Don't know, but the the other thing that really threw people off was the in floor, Jacuzzi Style Tub, which is a very normal thing to have in a rich person bathroom, but next to it. There's a Joan of Arc statue, and I'm not sure why she has a statue in looks like kind of medieval like. Armor, display or something like that. It's just kind of bizarre to to be like. Yeah, put the Joan of Arc statue next to my bathtub, for whatever reason everyone lost their mind about it and I kind of understand and I know that I. I don't normally bring news this podcast. But I felt like the story was just a little a little, too. Sunday scares to ignore. She also has a surprisingly messy counter, which honestly was kind of refreshing and something I think we can all identify with. Because as I found out last week, had somebody for dinner I had to pile all my stuff into a drawer, which just made for really messy drawers, which in return ended up making for another messy counter once they left. L. Magazine actually compiled a slide show of fifty celebrity bathrooms, and I went through every single one of them and I have to say if Demi Moore bathroom had been included in this she one hundred percent would have had the worst bathroom included Meryl Streep's Taylor. Swift James Corden Serena Williams the obamas which they had a very nice bathroom. The weekend Rose Huntington Whiteley Lena Dunham also from girls. Girls, she might have just a really insufferable hangover cure just like allison, Williams but I have to say my favorite route was rosy. White lease and I think that might just be because she's my celebrity crush, but either way I don't think I'm ever going to see her bathroom and I. Don't think my wife would want me hanging out with her anyway, so that's all fine and Dandy. If you liked what you heard today. Make sure to subscribe review or a friend in need about this podcast by subscribing guarantee each and every episode gets delivered directly to your phone every Sunday morning. You can also follow me on twitter at Sunday scary and instagram which apps Sunday dots. Gary's or you can follow me on twitter and scrap. It will freeze and remember always trim the wicks on your scented candles. See an excellent time.

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215: You'll Never Be Free Unless You Tell Yourself The Truth. Taking Control Of Your Destiny At Work. Brown-nosing Team Members. Passed Over For Promotion.

Jocko Podcast

1:53:47 hr | 1 year ago

215: You'll Never Be Free Unless You Tell Yourself The Truth. Taking Control Of Your Destiny At Work. Brown-nosing Team Members. Passed Over For Promotion.

"This is Jack O.. PODCAST number two fifteen with Echo. Charles me Jaakko willink. Good Evening Echo. Good evening got a little quote. Kick things off today. The general who does not advance to seek glory or does not withdraw to avoid punishment but cares for only the People's security and promotes. The People's interest is the nation's as treasurer. That's a little sun. Suu Coming at you and of course we covered son so on podcast number twenty three and end you can. It's always interesting how you can find the same themes throughout time from a leadership perspective. I know I talk about this. This point a lot in leadership strategy and Tactics Book This statement here twenty five hundred years old and and he's saying the same thing that I say leadership strategy and tactics that many of the problems that come about for or leader are from their ego and so we have to learn to keep our ego in check now. This is your talk about it. In and extreme ownership the very first book. This isn't like hey I just thought of this yesterday and it's not like I just thought it was anyway like I said somebody was jumping on and Somebody was making some comments on on social media platform that it said he's acting like you like me acting like I invented covering move. You know I of course I said hey no. It's actually I say all the time I didn't invent this or much of anything so I didn't invent this idea of ego I didn't think of it. Whatever but it is a theme that we see over and over again from people that pay attention not just from a leadership perspective? Either I mean we're talking to life problems so this was interesting so we just wrapped up the Jaakko live tour. It was awesome. Thanks came got some really good questions along the way and a lot of times the questions. Sometimes the questions are about ego. Even though the person doesn't even know that the questions about ego bone you start to dig in you. Start to realize that it's about ego but the so this first question is one of those questions and the question was something along. The lines of this was something like what should I do. If a peer of mine is working hard putting an extra effort and trying to shine so that they get get promoted. That was the question. And that's a good question right. 'cause bright what do you do and and the instinct instinct is like you know what I'm saying. You can even feel that instinct. I could see the look on your face right now. You have the look on your face of like you can see that. That's a little bit offensive when you go. Oh this person's trying to bore car trying to put that extra effort and trying to shine so that they can get promoted right. No one one likes that person by the way. No one likes the Brownnoser so we get it so then the question was what should this person do what you know the guy asked me. What do I do when that's happening? And the instinct. which is the instinct you had which the instinct my first instinct? Even me Mr Keep your ego in check. My very first instinct is like a little bit of like pushback that guy and I want to lash out right. But that's not the answer because that's what you say. She say they think they are. Yeah look at what they're doing so that is that's making those attacks that your own personal legal. That's my only my only going with that person. Just wants to get so if you can take a second you can take a step back you can detach you can put your ego in check and if you do that then you say to yourself okay. Here's what here's the situation. We removed Eagle. Here's the situation. This person is working extra hard by the way this person's appear so we're on the same team. This person is working extra hard. They're putting in extra effort. They are trying to shine and all those things. All those things are actually good for your team right. I got someone that's trying to do. A great job. That's working harder. I'm actually happy. I'm actually happy if there's a person working harder on my team that's good if there's a person that's trying to out work me and do to a better job than me. That's actually awesome. Because now we're going to be a better team now. Mind you any moment you let your ego slip into this. It's it turns into a nightmare. It's not good you don't like it. You're offended that. Someone's trying to work harder than you but if you you keep your ego in check then that's good you realize that it's good and I'll tell you something else in. This is what I answered this question. I said for this person to outworked me. He's going to have a hard time. These GONNA have a hard time out working working because I'm here to win too and that is a little bit of my ego but that eagles being a positive thing. Because I'm going to step up your guess what I'm GonNA do step up my game not going to undermine undermine you that would be negative. That would be my. You'll causing a problem. But if I go. Oh you're echoes stepping up his game echo showing up at at six o'clock in the morning instead of instead of six ten oh and I'm I'm coming in at six. Oh five guess what. I'm going to tomorrow. No four thirty. But you're right so I do. I do a little bit more now now. We're both a little bit more prepared. Now we got some good competitiveness going on. That's good. It's good for the team. So you this this other person this other person that step into the game trying to do good job is actually awesome. Because it's GonNa make me step up my game and I'm GonNa tell you right now that person who's GonNa have a hard time out working me. There have hard time bring it. I'm actually fired up. I'm actually getting fired up right now like I'm getting I'm starting I'm thinking I might attack you right now just to see what's so that's good. Now here's here's the second ego scenario that you have have to get under control. What if that person steps up their game I step up my game? They end up. They actually do end up. outshine me they actually. Did you end up getting the big promotion. Then what do I do. Do I get better. Do I get jealous. Do I get mad do away now start to undermine them and spread rumors about now actually if somebody if somebody outworked me outperformed me and then got promoted good for them. That is awesome credit. They get credit. You done good son. You're done good. There's nothing wrong we've got and what I'm GonNa do is instead of being bitter and mad and jealous and all those things instead of actually actually gonNA put my ego out of the picture and say what actually happened. Where did this person perform better than me? And how. How can I support them? How can I learn some lessons from from this? And how can I become better so the next time there is an opportunity. I do get promoted. You wouldn't think that that questions is about your own personal ego from the beginning now. It's easy to see what come back but from the beginning it's like. Hey what do you do. How do you handle this situation? When someone's trying to out work you now shine you and they're trying to get promoted yeah that sounds like an interpersonal relationship? Question is not the question about ego which is which which is something. We always need to pay attention to so as I was thinking again once again Jaakko live was kind of like you went to to Jaakko. Lives is is that correct yes. They weren't really a podcast. They weren't really Acuna a they weren't they. Were just sort of a there. Were a little bit of everything right. A little bit of a little bit of stories a little bit of lessons a little bit of yeah a little bit of everything so I did get some questions is though that I won was one of those general questions and now as I started thinking about the questions and how it related to ego another question that I got that was actually another important question. The question was again something along the lines of an sure we can go back in and pulled old recording. But here's the other thing is some of these questions that got asked. I gotta ask the same similar question. So I'm paraphrasing. What this other question was but this one? The question was something along the lines of. Hey Listen Jaakko I know that keeping the ego in check as important principle I read about it extreme ownership you talk about it all the time gotta be humble but at my company. Ego is a huge problem. How do I get my that company to start promoting the ideal of humility? And how do I get them to recognize. That egos such a big problem now. This is a really really good question once again. Because you can imagine what this individual's right like you know you're at a company where there's a lot of egos going on and all all of a sudden you have a little moment of enlightenment you realize that ego is causing you a lot of problems so you start putting your own check having you go how this is working. I'm doing better veteran coordinating better. I'm working in my interpersonal relationships with other people on the team are my relationships with people on other teams better. We're getting more done because our relationships are better. I'm putting the team in the mission about myself. That means the team in the mission are doing better. That's great so you realize all this stuff and then you say okay. Well how do I start to Spread the word. How do I get other people to do this? And this is a tricky question right. Tricky thing because if some if like let's say your team has you see that egos a problem and you sit him down and go. Listen guys. You're you're all y'all got big egos and that's the problem. I I mean you're gonNA run into level nine defensiveness you're actually GonNa it's actually go beyond defensiveness. They're gonNA start attacking you gonNA happen. You got all these crazy egos. They're gonNA gang up now let's unite. PUT THEIR EGOS. Aside for Split seconds that can unite against you So you can't confront them and in and once again. Are there certain relationships that you could have with someone where I go. Let's say you you had to be ego. But you and I were really tight. And I said pame annual at near you go get in the way of this church that that that is a possibility that is a very rare occurrence most of the people that you work with on a regular basis as you don't have that tight of a relationship the other thing is when someone has a big ego. That's not the type of person that's open to those kind of criticisms anyways so it's like there's two two hurdles that you have to overcome number one relationship isn't usually that good and number two. They have a big ego which is part of the problem. And that's what makes the problem hard to attack uh-huh so what. Are you going to do that in. I gotta fill this one more little thing when when people talk about the you know have someone say put put. Wouldn't it be better if you could just talk to. Wouldn't it be better if if you just you know. Put Down on bullets list and said Hey. Here's the things that your ego. Here's the problem. The problem causing look I get it. Isn't it great to have direct. That conversation is in a great if I can just sit you down if echo if you have this mind meld where you just know one hundred percent looking out for you and your open like if we have that that's an ideal world that's great. That's Great Golf. Claps his great the promise that doesn't exist this very often and confronting someone that has an ego about. The Rigo can often just exacerbate the problem. So here's what you do instead of self identifying the problem and pointing fingers at other people which by the way is placing which is a problem. So instead of doing that what we're GONNA do start pulling the thread on. Some of the problems was that were having on the team. So for instance this group over here need some some help on their part of the project but no one's helping them. What's going on if you start to pull the thread on that? You'll find at the end into that thread. They'll be hanging some egos whether it's the ego of the person that doesn't want to ask for help whether it's ego of the other person that doesn't want to give help because they think they need to do their own job. That's I'm not. I'm not doing that. So you pull the threat in the end you'll financial egos hanging and then what you do is you. You just expose them and you say what do you think. The root of the problem is and you start pulling that thread you get to a point where someone says you can finally have an open conversation. We say where someone finally says we know. I guess I guess I could use some help. You just discovered it so that's like a covering move situation go covering move isn't happening isn't happening because of Egos. If you pull the thread you'll get to the end of the threat and it will be attached to someone eagle in most cases Jason. Is there a possibility that it's like. Hey this doesn't know what the other groups don't. Yeah absolutely those are those are easy problems to solve because we can just pull the threat we find at the end. Oh we need. We need better better coordination between these two teams corvette. It is when you pull the friend that comes out the Little Egos Dangling on the end of it then okay. Let's expose these and let's try and ask questions to figure out and get people realize what they're looking at. You want them to come to that conclusion. That's the trick trek that's the maneuver is to get them to come to a conclusion and they might never verbalize it but they go in their mind. I guess I didn't ask what. Hold my egos in the way so there's one If if you've got people that are taking aren't keeping things simple just go through laws combat. Simple make people are making the plans to complex and yet they keep doing it and they're when when you go and say hey you know these plans seem like they're a really complex and of course they say something like hey the. I don't think everyone understood. The plan seemed it seemed kind of complex lex and the person says people need to pay more attention. Went on briefing Kirk. And you pull on that right. The front doc wine troops. They need more detail because otherwise they're going to screw up that's why it's so complex tick okay. Let's look at what's really happening. What's really happening is? I've created a plan that I won't give up because my egos too big bright when you pull that thread and you go listen to. Hey the frontline troops don't understand what to do. It seems like that could be a real problem and maybe an nothing you give them a little out. You give me a little out like maybe we just need to back off a little bit so that they can understand it. Maybe they're not as smart little eagle massage five. You know what fine. I'll simplify it. Boom and in the meantime you've given them a little indication. Look if you confront them. That's what I'm saying. It's hard for people to want to play the long game here because the short game is you think you're so smart. You played too complex. And you're sticking with them. Could you got a big ego. How's that going to work out? He's not gonNa work out good good. Can it work out. Four percent of the time yes the other the other ninety six percent of the time. You get a defensive person. That's now accusing other people. Take the indirect in play the long game. Take three indirect attack and play along Prioritizing execute wires that failing because again this question is egos a problem. So where does ego manifest as a problem. It can manifest as a problem in prioritize next cue because if someone's got a big EGO and they're not getting things done and they go. I can get it done. Because they're evil. Thinks they can do anything right or prioritize connects execute. Ego can be a problem if you have a project and I have a project and you need help and your project is actually more important. It should give you resources but instead of like my my initiative just as important as echoes is. Yeah which is just my ego. I should have looked at it and say okay what you should be the priority and another good one is just what I just said. I am not going to give up. Why should I have to give my resources to echo? Those are my those are I. Hi No actually. What's what's the biggest priority? Okay put my ego aside. Echoes priorities actually bigger than mine. I'm GONNA give him. Am Four of my people. said he can get the job done. So when you pull the thread on this say hey why is it jock wise it. You don't want to give people people to echo all you know. What if something else comes up? Well if something comes up you can get back well. They got to learn to respect the chain of command. Well they're still work for you. They'll just be loaned over an echo. Who you shoot him saying? It's just Eagle Eagle Eagle Eagle. So these kind of problems that manifest themselves inside of a company wrapped around ego and decentralized command. You can have the same thing happened with decentralized command. How does EGO caused caused a problem with decentralized command? It's like this hey I noticed that You know you seem to be making all the decisions in the folks out in the field. Don't really have the opportunity to kind of make calls. Why is that on the only one that has the experience to do this? They don't have the skill that I have half right so there's all these reasons that one of those are ego problems right and and by the way if it's if it's not an ego problem then and then I say oh you know what because I haven't really trained the guys well enough and I'm GonNa you know what you're right. I've been making way too many detail decisions for the guys out in the field. I need to get down there. Make sure they know what's is going on train them better so that I can back off cool. That's person that's got three. Go check the person that's like. I'm the only one that can do this like no. You can't you know you're not and if you are you're wrong because right now you've got three people working for you. What happens when you have eight? You go around the field in all these different locations to make every single decision. No you can't so get your ego under control realize that you're not the only one that can do this job and train your people properly again. That's a direct assault. Probably going to cause problems instead if we just pull the thread on it. Hey what's going on your years folks on the field. Don't have a lot of authority. You know that our experience you. It's kind of cumbersome though like them reaching back to you all the time to make these decisions it is but you know. I'm the one that really knows how to do it. Oh I mean what happens if you know. You're sicker you. Someone's gotTa have communications with them. What do you think it would be good idea since you have so much knowledge and experience to maybe pass it onto some of the people? Wh Yeah Okay Cool. Let's make that happen. And then obviously Ego kid absolutely manifest itself when it comes to Taking ownership I mean all day long right. What about that project failed? What happened would much aboard? It's don't know don't want to step up so therefore why why why are your subordinates. Taking ownership because they don't even know what ownership is. I WANNA take ownership okay. So it's not your fault. No okay what can we do to help them. pull the string and you at the bottom. The person will see. It's the real. They might not admit but they'll see it and then they can start to make make adjustments now look can any of these situations escalate and appoint where indirect indirect indirect indirect doesn't work. And eventually you say you know what I gotta I gotTa sit echo down and say listen. Here's what I think is the root of the problem. The problem is you think you're the only one that knows how to do this. And in thinking that you're not training to like I might have to get that direct. It does happen. We prefer to use the minimum minimum force required required when it comes to leadership just like being a bouncer. User Right. It's not. Hey the guy's a little out of line hate him in the head with a blackjack. Hey Hey sir you know. I think you've had enough for. Can you come with me. That's minimum force regard if the guy says okay cool. It's problem solved if he's if he says I'm not going anywhere. Okay well we have to escalate. It's the same thing here but don't start with a direct attack just like you don't club the person out of the gate. I think it's a slap lap. Jack not sure okay. That's what you're talking about that thing with a blackjack. Yeah Yeah did you guys not use a those. That's Think those are illegal to out legal. Yeah yeah the Slap Jagger One guy had on but yeah the legal so we don't want to escalate straight to the blackjack or even a slap even if anyone's anyone's using a slap Jack I think it's called a slap okay. I'm not sure point remains I dig it fairly confident. You're wrong but not one hundred percent. Yeah I'm like I'm like you know when someone you know when you're pretty confident about something that somebody who's just throws a little randomness into the soup and it makes you question. That's how I feel right. Yeah really confident with a little bit of questions to make you feel any better. That's my everyday life so that's the the answer. This question is really pulling the thread on the problem to reveal the root of the problem. which you're gonNA see his ego and then it's there for the people hopefully to see it to recognize it to possibly admit it? Maybe not give them an out where they can actually make. He could adjustment without taking ownership legal. That's okay yeah. We're trying to win right. We're trying to let the team win. We're not trying to. We're not what my goal is not to make you admit it because you know what that is as my echo. Yeah I got a big Ego to get him to admit and that's my goal. My goal is to make you make Better decisions as a leader so that we win as a team. So that's what we're that's what we're trying to do here. It's really interesting that you laid out cause us to do to me probably still do but it was less about the ego. I think. Maybe it's all the same maybe at the end of the. It's all the same skating. You're trying to dancer Russo. Explained to me how I would do this to you. Do with excuses okay. So like if something didn't get done or can't get done or I think it's too hard really most of the time. If I'm remembering correctly it was at the end of the this is what it was it was like I'm too lazy or whatever you know so it always be like this excuse like well you know. That's that's that and then you'd have all these just like so you're saying in a and it it made me remember this because of your tone how you're kind of saying those little that's the same thing in me like simple simple just here. Here's the solution to that problem right here. Because there's all these little excuses that you make. Oh I didn't really have time because they had to do this and be like okay. Then you just do this and that'll solve of that particular problem. You didn't have this big comprehensive plan to solve in my life problem. You're like okay for every excuse make you have the little solve the problem or the solution to it and it'd be like Oh man and meanwhile you're getting backed into this corner or the string is getting pulled like never with every pool is the central Tavender Lazy like I've just too lazy or I'm stuck in this routine or whatever and then so it could in a way be like okay. That's just my ego just thinking the way. That's not the way I do things kind of thing a different tone. Think if I would've just said I said could you lazy yet. You just being Lazy Echo. Yeah you'd have been like Julie even know what it takes to make one of these. You know what I mean. What does that do to our relationship? Yeah and what does that do to the final product. Yeah Yeah Right now. You're doing something against your will. I'll steam the stain on it fully in the if you would have just been like. Hey you're lazy. This is what my mind would have went to this belief this actually Annan away. It's true but it doesn't get anyone anywhere where if you'll be like you're lazy. I would have thought and maybe even said that. It's not that I'm lazy. It's just you're just this crazy hard worker. Who have these standards? That are unreasonable for a normal person. Just a normal person stews me. You know kind of an attitude. That's what I would go to rather than if you like the way how you always do it as like you pull a string to sort of you know what's interesting too is when I'm doing that. I'm not doing that like okay. Here's my next move on Echo. Actually what I'm known as well you know you say well we can't. I can't make a video because it's GonNa take me too long to get through the the audits and I go nothing like you know if you want. Just you know. Hire someone to do this ride. It's where you would that work you. You know what I mean. I'm asking you a legitimate question. Maybe a kind on the answering. I suspect I know the answer. But it's not it's not. Just hey I on setting you. Yup I'm legitimately pulling the thread and the answer might be. It is impossible to get this project done but when I say well you could hire someone to do those riots. Hi It's you go okay. Well even if I hire someone how am I going to transfer all this data and I go. Won't you want. Couldn't you get an external hard drive in and just physically give it to him and you'd say well these are actual situations relations. No no I don't know the realm of video well enough to go down those roads the main the the one that I remember the easiest. It's like with training like you'll be. Hey we're training at four thirty but I trained during the day almost not in the evening. Then you'll be like. Oh yeah well how you know all these reasons and then you like you Kinda just chip away at all seasons like Oh. Here's the solution to that is like and I just I. That's it's just like my routine I just gotTa admit it. You know like all right but I don't get to train with you guys as often. You know kind of thing but it's like expose bullets string to expose who's just like the little the little excuses check so pull the thread reveal. The problem. Don't confront if you can help it. A- and people start to recognize what the problem as many. This is assuming you're working with this. There's one there's one one problem with us and that is if the person has a giant ego this is the hardest thing for them to admit right they might not admit it but they'll see it behave differently and by the way one of the good ways to to use someone's ego against themselves is when you say a something along the lines of you know man. It's GonNa look good if this gets done right. You know what I'm saying. They think Oh cool. I'm going to do this. I'm going to make adjustment just so it gets done just so my ego can get just. Why can win the say that use the word win because every time like the word win and anytime would I'd be thinking like okay if I didn't win what what's left? You lost no matter what what excuse you make you lost so if you if you put the shed light on like use that word and be like hey this will make you win in your like hell. Yeah but at the same time in the back you might like basically if we don't solve these problems. Whatever I lose? I don't want that. So it's like extra motiva- Leah. It's the winning at all costs thing. And so the winning at all costs I wrote like a little section section and it was part of a one of the special releases on Barnes and Nobles version of Dichotomy of leadership was thing winning at all costs and and it's and then someone posted it and I had said it before right and someone posted a clip of me saying this idea of winning at all costs and it's the way that I talk about it. It's kind of a trick anyways because I go through this thing about what is leadership in a leadership position of that and then I said what leadership is to me is winning at all costs and somebody put that. Probably you put a clip of me saying that and somebody said of course. Someone's like that. What's the kind of person that will run people over bubble Ma like giving negative things right but what they don't realize is what the rest of that clip says and what the rest of that that whole? We'll idea of winning at all. Costs is what I'll do to win at. All costs is totally subordinate ego. Help other people support them. Give them what they need. Put My put put the team and the mission above myself because the Mo.. That's how I'm GonNa win all costs so winning at all cost stepping on other people if he's actually lifting other people up. Yep that's what it means so if you can use that you know if I say hey echo man look we need to win and if we're GONNA win the only way to win is if you can learn how to work with Jim Otherwise we lose and you like you don't want because I'm a winner all work with Jim Courts a first step. Yeah and this was kind of related to a question that have got A. We haven't done a cuny in a long time and this is kind of a partial Q.. And A. I don't know just some topics but anyways we got one of these questions hit it. Yes Jaakko tell someone who has been passed over for a military promotion they deserved. Could you address this. Yep so part of it is what we just talked about. What do you do you pass over cool? Why did and it's also covered in? I think there's a wall I know. There's a literal chapter inside leadership strategy and Tactics Wchs. which is what to do when your when you don't get promoted that's that's the actual name of the chapter? When you're not chosen page one sixty boom there? It is when you are not chosen and we covered it on the podcast. So what you do is you go and you say hey boss. I know there's opportunity to get promoted. I know it and give them what I know. There must be shortfalls that I have. Can you help me indicate what those shortfalls are. So that's that's and I'll just give a factual there's the officer commissioning program that I got picked up for WHO's called the Seaman to Admiral Program. It was a highly selective program they took fifty sailors from the entire navy. And there's two hundred fifty thousand sailors in the navy took fifty and the first year that I put in for it. I did not get selected. I got actually I got selected as an alternate which was as they say almost worse. Because you don't you don't you you get nothing you get the smell smell it. Yeah you get the smell it. You don't touch it you don't get to taste it so it was not good well. It was good because I was like. Okay I'm close but so but I didn't get it I didn't get and what I do. Assessed and said what can I do better and worked harder and the next year I got it so if you don't get promoted because you deserved it maybe you didn't deserve it and if you did deserve it you'll get it next time and instead head of saying you deserved it. Why not look at and say okay? What did I not do to make myself the best absolute best candidate that they could not question needed to get this promotion and instead we're saying I deserved someone else got? What does that doing blaming the boss Blade in the selection process blaming all these other things that you cannot control but if you take ownership of it and say you know what okay? I didn't get promoted. There must be some things that I can do better. There's the answer own it. Ask Give me some feedback. Please what do I need to make this happen and then implement now this is there. Was this other topic that I kind of wanted to bring up. That was from once again. It was from Jacqueline live and and there was a young woman and again this this goes to the kind kind of variety of different people that were coming jock all over the place so this this young woman who asked a question that was kind of like. How do you can't win? You're at the live events there's light shining in your eyes so you're not really one hundred percent. Sure you'll get it. It's not like you're not seeing the person face to face some kind of looking out into the light. I'm seeing this frame of a of a young woman and she asked something along the lines of. How do you handle when there's people that are trying to pull you down down and and and you know pick you apart and I said well what do you do? And she's I'm in school and I said what school and she's in high school and I said what great and she said I'm a freshman and I said okay so you're getting bullied because essentially that's what that's what you say I'm getting picked on. I got people trying to drag me down. You know what that's called that's called bowling. I said so. You're getting bullied. And she said yes getting bullied so I said I said you know thought about per second I said well. I've got some bad news and I've got some good news and I'm GonNa Start with banner's the bad news is that people can be mean and they can be mean for a variety of reasons they can be mean because they're insecure they can be mean 'cause they're bullied themselves. They can be mean because they are unhappy. They can be mean because they're scared to be vulnerable so they put up that front. They might be suffering and jealous and have no self esteem. It's the way people are and there's some people that are just evil that get joy oy out of putting other people down so there's all those kind of people exist and may especially exist inside of immature people in high school. So that's the bad news and then I said but the good news is high. School is not life and when I said that it was actually funny when I I said that people started clapping because everyone in that room knew that it was true. That reminded me of another conversation. Russian that I've been having with people lately about about some about doc. Ecosystems something I've called ecosystems so little ecosystems in the world people get caught up in and they get caught trying to get to who the top hierarchy of some little ecosystem somewhere. And Look. I get get it I get Jordan right Jordan Peterson. And we're trying to ascend. The top of our dominance hierarchy beat the best. You can I totally get it absolutely but we were. There can be a problem with us from multiple angles calls. The world is filled with these little ecosystems and the high school is one of them. Remember the little high school ecosystem there. Someone that's popular. There's someone that's your. There's all these little eat this ecosystem there and high school. This is something you know you. You look at high school kid and you try try and explain to them that once you left highschool really cares right. Kurt if you care about it deeply. You're actually uncle areco running around saying when I was in high school this when I was in high school that. But here's the problem and this is one of the reasons why I wrote way the war your kid the first one one of the things that triggered me to write it was. You'll hear I was at work. War going on real legitimate crazy problems in and dynasties dynamics to figure out like things are going on and I come home and like my one of my kids would be sad that that they got called the name or Sad that they got a low grade on a test or whatever and I would be thinking like I i. I had a moment of clarity where I thought I can't believe I can't believe they're sad about this. Who Cares and then I realized Oh yeah idiot Jaakko to that that thing? That's going on in. Their world is their whole world. It's it's their entire. Their entire world is in that one ecosystem so it's hard for people to realize that their ecosystem that they're in is not the whole world. It's the same thing with when you start going to college and I've got two kids in college now you you know this whole ecosystem around. I getting into college and once you get to college where you're GonNa get your MBA internship. There's this whole thing right and once again if you step outside that ecosystem into just the normal world no one actually cares about where there you got your degree not no one. Because there's a there's a group of people inside that ecosystem that they they go. Where did you get your MBA? Oh where'd you stay and there's people that care about that there's other people that literally we do not care at all and I meet incredibly like from that perspective. I mean incredibly successful business leaders all the time that don't have their the NBA and went to school in Iowa. I got props. The other day from on from Iowa that said whenever you think of that state I guess from Iowa some some state school and whatever some little community college in Nebraska and they go out and world and dominate. So that's not important. We know that that happens. Look and there's people that go to Ivy League schools do great too but what I'm saying is they get in this little ecosystem where where what they're actually trying to do is climb to the top of that ecosystem only for the sake of climbing to the top of that ecosystem not how it measures into the greater world. What kind of car do you have? There's an ecosystem can get wrapped up in. You know I've got I've my porsches better than your Porsche right. There's people that are into that and there's other people that I do not care at all at all what about our little ecosystems. We're right would you own little ecosystem you you know what I'm saying. There's little ecosystem who's who what the the podcast world has an ecosystem so all those things that that you and I are actually actively in right we do and we have a podcast so we could jump into like where you at on the hierarchy of these ecosystems and Kennedy can't Jordan. I get it we're trying to. We're trying to go up the hierarchy. I get it but you have to be able to put that in check because why are you doing that. What is driving you? If it's what's driving you to ascend that hierarchy is because it's GonNa make a you better and the people around you better. That's good if you're doing it for your own ego though that's a problem that's where it becomes a problem. Guess what the jobs. The companies the industry's they they get created their sort of the jobs that get created by companies in industries. They have their own little ecosystem. Right about I worked here. I worked there I will. I ran this region like you can see it's an ecosystem that exists. The seal team's is a freaking ecosystem. Everyone's in there going like okay. Where are you at on the ecosystem? Where'd you we? Don't how many deployments have you. Where did you deploy went? What schools have you been to? There's a little ecosystem that people trying to get up and get it. There's some positive to that right because you're trying to do better trying to Carter. That's good then. There's the bar scene. You probably can relate to this better than me. There's an ecosystem of the clubs it who's the owner and who's the manager and who's the GM and who's the head door guy who comes in your club. Oh who's GonNa let in the club music scene re real estate there's this ecosystems everywhere and so. This is the point that I guess I'm I'm getting to with where ties back into with this young female. That asked this question when you you what you have to do is realize that in most most of these cases when you step outside of that little ecosystem no one cares about that ecosystem. No one cares. No one cares if I was to tell my mall. Hey Mom I got my black belt. You two thousand five. Hey Mom I got my black belt in Jujitsu to what what what she would say. Oh congratulations know what. She's thinking that I'm going to strip mall doing karate somewhere you know what I mean. That's that's what she's thinking she doesn't care at all he doesn't care at all your Porsche that you told me about I can introduce introduce you to many people that think if you spent more than five thousand dollars on a vehicle urine idiot never never mind one hundred fifty thousand dollars in fact if you ever hear me Brag about a vehicle the vehicle that I brag about. Probably the most is my nineteen ninety-seven Dodge Grand Caravan. Yeah that's the one I brag about the most So when you step outside the ecosystem of cool cars people literally do they do not care the the music scene. Oh I know this recording artist. I know I'm going to the students like no one cares. So my point in saying this is if you find yourself distraught about your failure inside some random ecosystem then remember that if you can detach and you can step outside that ecosystem you realize that that ecosystem in most cases doesn't even matter at all it doesn't matter at all detach he and and this is something that once again at jock alive shows. This came up. We're talk about detachment I talk about detachment one of the things. Look detachment is a great tool as a leader to have because it allows you to take a step back and see what's going on right clearly. It's a powerful tool but you combine that aspect of detachment to this other aspect or detachment when when we've talked about people that get caught in a bad mental head space. I don't know if I WANNA use the word depression because I'm not a psychologist. Never really had this depression. So I can't really speak about it from that angle but to say that people get caught in a Rut. That happens and I've talked about that idea like let's say okay When when if you lose ooh someone right someone that you know dies you get put into that Rut and the way of described before is like there's a storm cloud all around on your head and no matter which direction you look you see? Storm cloud anyone. That's on the outside and the one I've said anyone that's on the outside looking all man. You're just surrounded grounded by the storm if you if you step over here. You're going to get away from that. There's a light at the end of the tunnel but from their perspective. They don't see it at all you can detach if you can take a step back from your own head you can actually see the end of the storm clouds and you can see that you can get we out of this. Rut that you're in now people ask me about how to Detach Wjr and talk about it. Leadership Strategy and tactics. I'm GONNA take a little bit further. GotTa think about this. So here's a couple of things in and actually the reason that I I I I used to kind of look at it like it's real simple right. Hey take a step back. Just take a step back to breath right. Look around In fact relax look around and make a call what I wrote about extreme ownership when it comes to detach like relax look around make a call that's detachment the the first time. I really broke it down to try and give people some more specific. Instructions was on the war. Your kid podcast. 'cause you know a little kid would say when I get mad I I start to lose my temper when I'm wrestling. I start to lose my temper. Ver- when I'm in class and little billy's keeps poking me in the back of the head. How do I not lose my temper? What they need to do is detach so I said listen? Take a step back back so I thought about what I do. Take a step back and one of the things I said was lift your Chin Chin Up. Lift Your Chin up and now now when you start to think talking about why do I even do that. What what benefit does that have? Well if you think about when you take a step back and you actually lift up your Chin thing about what it does to your vision. All of a sudden your vision is elevated. It's elevated one inch but it's elevated and you now have a physical new perspective. You have a physically new perspective of what's going on by taking a step back lifting your chin up the other thing that makes you do is if you put your head back alike makes you open up your chest and open up your lungs and it makes you take breath which I used to attribute this to when you're on the radio look one of the reasons that I like thought about detaching an something that I realized it was a good tools. You never WANNA sound around panicked on the radio and the seal team's so before you key up that microphone and say something you when these you say all right guys we need to move towards the North building instead of. I don't know you don't do that. So when you when you lift your Chin Chin up you you take breath forces you to kind of take a breath and the other. This is the coolest thing that I kind of connected this at Jaakko Life Life and the reason I connected it because I was up like right. Now we're sitting down and work on of we're kind of stuck in this position so jock alive. I had like a like a Alava Alava. Lear microphone on up and move around and getting crazy. So as I was going through this I was acting out the the process of detaching so I take a step back I lift up my Chin and I may disconnection house like think about the posture that you have when you're getting ready to get into a fight. It's literally the opposite. You lift up your hands you ducked you talk your Chin down. You Roll your shoulders forward to protect yourself and you're getting in this defensive posture which is not an open posture for seeing what's going on right. It's a focused posture. When you take a step back you lift up junior actually making yourself physically vulnerable and what you're doing is you're so you're opening yourself up to threats but you're opening up your mind to see a different perspective so that is incredibly important? It's an incredibly important first. Step in training yourself how to to detach from all this chaos. That's going on from the mayhem of a leadership situation to detaching from your own ecosystem that you're wrapped up in that you think is important that no one cares about no one cares about outside that stupid club. You're in no one cares. No one cares outside the the the the thirty eight people that are involved in your Glee Club. They've got you paranoid freaking out. No one cares so if you can take step back and you can see that and finally if you can take a step back from your own brain and you can kind of assess that cloud that you're caught in you'll see that that cloud he's not infinite and you'll see that there's a way out which is important in that can get more strong and powerful that that lure that suck in keeping you in your ecosystem when it's like part of your routine routine you know because it kind of feeds into your identity a lot of times like did you superstar like were you tapped out by a guy who never taps you out or some brand. That'll follow so you all the way home with your you know your family. You're thinking man today like he can suck 'cause it's kind of part of your identity. Whatever but yeah yeah if you can just step back look around detached from that? You're like granola literally every other environment that you go so it in life nobody cares. No one cares jujitsu spring into action at the door. The what was that just worked magic the sleep exactly which is probably never going to happen. By the way as far as probability go I think and I think when you're younger I mean obviously when you're younger you get you get caught up in these ecosystems and this what's scary is this can be the downfall of a kid right you. You get caught up in the drug ecosystem you get caught up in the booze ecosystem you get caught up in the in the what is it delinquency quincy like. Hey I'm going to cause problems. Hey you know what do boys do boy. This another thing that came out of doc alive like boys are trying to prove themselves yourselves to their friends and to themselves how tough they are how cool they are so when what whatever whatever little ecosystem go system has their own little cool meters in it right and sometimes that cool meter is you know so. I'M GONNA drink this fifth of Jack or I'm GONNA smoke this whatever they want to move up in that ecosystem and so they do stuff that outside outside that ecosystem people were. Hey that's actually one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yeah but you can't see that. Yeah the party scene is a big one. I mean there's a difference between getting caught in ecosystem the system of the party scene and then going down the spiral of like drugs and addiction because a lot of times addiction is like. That's just like a chemical payoff. You get and the and that chemical payoff you. You want so much. It's just more of a payoff than literally any deals in life and then it just compounds the ecosystem that introduces you to the payoff. That ends up being addiction. Actionaid ends up ruining your life. Yes solely like the party scene for example. It's like yeah okay. Did you go to this party. All you didn't go to their you're kind of less than kind of thing you know. I'm I'm at all the parties here the kind of up up there in that little ecosystem then you go to those parties and you've got a function at the party right so you can't just go to the party like now. I'm not drinking and one of their like you're not fitting in the party at all GonNa fit in so you're going to do the you know you're going to drink. And then what if they're doing some some other drugs in the back room. The cool room the P. Room from the secret room. Or whatever if you're not part of that you're sorta your that mean you're not one of the ceiling one of the VIP's function as a whole peer pressure thing wrapped up inside the ecosystem assistant oil. Yeah that's like the primary driver of ecosystem because even the positive things like. Oh where you get where you're getting your MBA like so the got all these in Eighteen well-known load nineteen whatever twenty twenty one year old college. Kids that are like where you can get your MBA. Where you're going to get where you're where you're applying? Where you where you find? Yeah eight if you're not applying to the whatever then you're a little bit down on me 'cause system and you know what no one cares. I you can't say no one cares because there are people that are going. Hey we want to get someone from the school cool fine. That's a little tiny subset of the same ecosystem. Yeah in but if you're talking talking about like yeah if you're talking about people outside the ecosystem no they don't care they don't care if you're capable and then so a lot of times if you like. Oh you got NBA from here okay. That's an established. He you know capable. They're gonNA put out some good students or some good Trained people whatever then. There's that but it's not like they don't care about what you care about right now. You know the fact that you got it from here. It doesn't mean you're like awesome the thing that's so hard for kids is they just can't see outside. The ecosystem is their world. Yeah and so introducing people to this concept that there are in fact the random ecosystems actually no one cares about is a positive thing. Yeah don't get caught up in them trying especially not negative once but you also people take positive. Ecosystems go systems and turn them negative because they start getting the ego involved like like that's totally positive ecosystem. Hey We're here we're here now fund and all of a sudden it turns into drama and we haven't talked too much about the jujitsu drama and I. I'll be honest with you. One of the reasons that we don't talk a lot about the Jujitsu drama is probably because we don't deal with it a lot because we have a very open door policy at our gym and we're just Kinda cool and we just want to change Jitsu and everyone else to and I think San Diego go at large is very similar to that because they're just due to everywhere so we all just kind of know each other and so I think that has something to do with it and I also think there's less Jujitsu drama now than there was ten years ago for ten years ago. That's my student you into my you into someone else's Academy Co you're out of my academy forever forever. I banish you this right now. There was that kind of drama. Is there still that kind of drama. There probably is some but not as bad as it used to be but they took a positive ecosystem system and turned it into negative ecosystem. Yeah Yeah I would imagine. That's kind of everything like even okay so my nephew gets good grades really good grades but he takes a certain students they take their grades like super seriously. They get one bag or their late for school like brow. If to me if if let's say my mom brought me to school but if you have to explain to me that you weren't worried about being late your Ted is unnecessary. Go on wildly unnecessary. The people will let you explain how much you didn't care about being late. Even as a child go up especially for school putting this vows late ahead get a tardy slip breath. The connection between that and like grades and success in life was literally. So let's say it's the I would say maybe that's how you ended up showed up late all the time. Did you very possible. So if my parents or my mom or dad or whatever if they're driving me to school and they were running late Bro me carrying was literally at a zero. Didn't care at all. I was like cool. I don't have to spend as much time at school and not that I was bad at score anything. I'm just saying like I didn't care about this anyway. My point is some people in the opposite. Some people are like I can't believe for school it's like school is like everything in their grades and stuff like that. That's positive that's really good. Actually but it can get out of hand so out of hand kids freak out kids cheating cheating freaking out freaking out drugs to like a lot or whatever all those things all those things are bad and all are related to the fact that they think that that ecosystem is the the world everything. And let's be honest. I mean how much of that ecosystem affect you. You didn't even show up for school homework. You seem to be doing all right. Well here king of the podcast ecosystem jobs so everyone should do that right now. Man uh-huh yeah crazy. Yeah I if if you take and not not that. I'm like the epitome of or the poster child for great parenting. Getting advice. Nothing like this but I think like the more you take your kids in see other stuff. Outside of school kind of their mind is going to not just be attached to the school scenario. Mealey's well that's a whole debate. You know that you could have like. But here's a real simple question. Does your kid if your kid goes this. Is Your Kid. Ten years older and fifth grade and they don't WanNa Miss School so they don't go with you too coy. WHATEVER CO I? They don't go experience something like that. I guarantee you that the experiencing Kawhi is way more beneficial educationally spiritually. Yeah athletically. Then hey they they missed three days of half. Bring the math book bring it. Yeah Yeah for sure. And it's not just coli either like you know I mean even just going to see what you do at work or whatever like I used to take my kid to you know go training sites. Are you kidding me. Best thing ever any and I'm not even necessarily saying thing have a miss school to see this stuff necessarily saying that. Oh but I'm just saying like everything isn't like okay. Go home do homer I. It's like everything if you off if you create this idea. That school is everything in their head. You know it's They're gonNA tend to think that I think but you know if you see you know. Let Adam see other places where you work or whatever whether it be on the weekends summertime whatever you know see just the other things they realize. Okay School isn't everything you know. And what you're really showing mm-hmm is this is one ecosystem in the world. It's called school. It's an important one but there's no reason to get crazy. There's other ecosystems out there that are also cool cool and good all right shoot detached. Don't get stuck in ecosystems all right next next question I am stuck in a prolonged period of things not going my way professionally or socially all that really is going on well. Aw is my time management still even after having owned up to my part in getting here. I still seem stuck in failure. Loop mm-hmm okay. So what's being addressed. Here is the prolonged period of things not going away And and we know that a key part of getting out of a Rut like this or a failure loop. He's taking ownership of those failures of those problems. That's very important but guess what that alone doesn't solve him at all. Just saying I didn't get promoted okay. It was my fault period. That doesn't solve the fact that you didn't get promoted. I'm not getting called back to other contracting job. It's my I fault. Does that mean you get called back. No it doesn't mean anything taking ownership means that you actually have to identify dentist the problem you know you're responsible for it and then you actually have to solve the problem. That's what you have to just taking ownership of the problem doesn't make it go away. If you to take ownership of the problem you have to take ownership of finding solution that you have to take ownership of implementing that solution so this is real straightforward. Now there's one louis tiny part that I wanNA point out which you may or may not have noticed Equa Charles and I'm going to put so pay attention. This last sentence in the question still even after having owned up to my part in getting getting here and I still seem stuck in Falen failure loop which notice about that Echo. Charles as if there's another part even parts arts yeah right there's multiple facets of the world that are conspiring to keep you in this failure loop yet. That's like that tone of someone's like hey I did my part I did my job hands up. You know kind of thing told I did my job the other parts. That are more implied. I guess now that you can uncovering a monitor. It's like there's this other job that someone else's sorta part so this is the thing and this is what this is. What makes this very challenging aging? Is this idea that like but how could I possibly control this. Assume that how can I possibly take ownership of the fact now. This is a weak one. How can I possibly take ownership of the fact that my bosses is an idiot and fired me? How can that be my fault that he didn't see how good I was? We see what's going on there. You obviously aren't being being introspective. And taking a look and say okay. This is obviously my fault. Here's what I need to change. So there's things like that where you go look you're just not it. Same thing with relationships. Right she broke up with me. How can I own that? Well maybe you look at yourself when you see how you acted as is a partner in that relationship and if you just WanNa look at that person say it was her fault. She was crazy and she was her fault. She didn't understand Dan. How awesome I was? That's not that's you. You need to take ownership of your own behavior. Why did she think that? Now you do you get to these things where you have no control so got asked a question a guy said my I lost my girlfriend to opiate overdose overdose dead she died. How do I take ownership of that? And so I- expanded that question because that's one of those things where you look. Look at I you know when you look you go. How can you take ownership of that? This person did so much drugs and it wasn't like I unlike okay. The specific situation. But if I'm doing everything I can to help my girlfriend in one day I come home. And she's Oh deed she she's dead. Okay how can I say I wasn't even there right and I let's say I I don't everything take her to Rehab and all this stuff and as far as I could tell she was clean and behind my back without telling me she did this right so it's almost almost like okay. That's as much separation as I can get. How do you take ownership when the situation like that? And so. Here's what I went on to say to this guy. I said this might seem like a unique situation. But it's not 'cause there's things that occur in our lives that we actually don't have any control over for instance the most horrible you your family member. Someone gets cancer gets a horrible terminal disease. How do you take ownership ship of that and the answer is in these cases when things that are truly beyond your control occur what you take ownership Schipol this how you respond to them? That's that's what you take ownership. How do you respond to you? Lose your girlfriend to drugs when your kid gets cancer you get cancer something you get this horrible disease. How do you respond to that? That's what you can take ownership of and that's you have to take ownership so I guess my point in saying that yes. There are absolutely things that you cannot control and what you can control is your reaction to them when they unfold that makes sense. What scares me about this guy is he saying he's owned up to his part but that means he's blaming someone else and I can the amount of things that we have zero control over is very small so many things if we look at ourselves and say well could I do better? What could I do different? How can I make an adjustment? Here how can I adapt to the way this bosses. How can I adopted the way this girl is that I'm trying to have relationship and by the way it might not be the best relationship? Maybe that's part of what you need to do is take ownership with the fact that you're addicted victims to this this. What he's saying this guy here saying he's so social sumit's got some problems with his female friends right or or friends in general? He didn't WANNA WANNA come watch you see not really. I'm I'm buying guys. It's okay for you to go to you know. Is there watching it by myself. I can't believe that you know what's wrong with everyone else. No actually what's wrong with me now truth be told. I don't WanNa Watch with anybody else gently. It was Wanna sit alone and watch the fight commentary no questions. Don't ask me a question sure. What was that move no? I'm watching the fight that's interesting everyone. Just be quiet a lot of times some of us we. We like to demonstrate our professional knowledge of the subject. You know so Answer here you need. Look at the reason that you're probably stuck in this loop. Continuy is because the things that you're blaming other people take ownership of them you get them fixed take ownership getting fixed take ownership of make some moves take ownership. Look what you can do different. That's what you have to Jack Next question in your recent Book Leadership Strategy and Tactics you mentioned establishing trustworthy relationships with superiors you speak of performance and compelling tasks competing tasks Oh complete task performance and completing tests. You stated boss wants me to fill out some extra paperwork. I'll do it. Boss needs me to cover a shift for someone else on the team. I'm got it. Boss has a nasty low reward mission that needs executing. I'm all over it page for fifty. How does this separate you from being a yes man especially when being a yes? Man is looked upon so negatively these days. What are your thoughts? Yes and there's actually a maybe he hasn't gotten there. But there's there's a whole section in the book that's called yes-men and why you don't want to be a yes man because of your ass man you don't push back when a situation requires there to be pushed back so so re read a little bit more But to make it quite simple beanie yes medicine yes to everything regardless of whether it's a good idea or not building relationships and establishing a good communication in a good rapport with your superior is totally different than being. ESPN part of it is saying yes because if you resist everything they say to you. They don't really think they don't really value your opinion. They just know that you're just a a no man. No we can't do their your mister negative missed a yes man. Just GonNa do whatever so what you do is you say yes when you can. Some menial tasks timeless metro paperwork cool. I'll do it some some some cover shift for someone else. It's cool. I got it. I can do those things doesn't it. Does not impacting my team. We're good nasty. Lowered project needs to get done. I got it. Let's go bring it bring it. I'm here. It's going to help the team awesome. Oh you want me to do something. That's going to negatively affect the team and put massive passive amounts of capital at jeopardy or putting people in risk or put safety rescue woman. Do that hold on boss. No boss and I wouldn't be just awesome not doing it but I go through the book. How you actually approach those situations so that you're not a yes man so when you win it recall? When there's comes a situation worship unfolds at you actually need to say no you can say no and it gets listened to? That's the difference leadership strategy and tactics. Get them so they're kind of so many of the questions in leadership strategy and tactics for so many of the answers. There's that given there are based on two questions that get asked all the time and so really so many of the questions that I'm hearing now. I have the answer in leadership strategy and tactics album trying not to say well refer to the book eight Ro- referred the book page sixty s four. I'm trying not to do that but just FYI I that's out there. It's in their read more about it all right next question. I was hoping for some guidance kind of a similar questions. It's here swing for some Guy I'm GonNa cut you off again. Just did that for fun anyway. I was hoping for some guidance on how to play the game with a situation at work I work in in an aerospace machine shop. I'm doing this apprenticeship apprenticeship to be a machinist mechanistic machine is. This means that I'm supposed to get specific types of on the job training with a sudden hadn't set number of hours each with a set number of hours each okay. I go to school one time. We're going to roll this big Not Not arguing role within yeah Kuwait. They discerned kind of what he's at the end of the anyway set. Numbers are normally get a little sensitive. You make some mistakes tonight. I'm just GonNa take this from the top around my whole life isn't one big mistakes. Whatever go anywhere I go to school once a week to supplement it? The problem is they won't give me any work. That feels those designations. I'm doing my best at the menial paperwork. They've had had me on for a while without complaint. It's it's a real problem though when paying out of pocket for the tuition that comes with the program. Every month spent not getting require required training adds to the five of years it takes to complete the OJT on the train. How do I get them to move me where I'm supposed to be do? I just continue to do the best at what they give me. Accept the loss of time and money. Yes so you remember the book that I caught him. If Leadership Humble not passive so this guy's being humble playing the game hey I will do the menial paperwork. I'll how all these extra hours do these things that don't really help me. He's playing. He's playing the game and he's being humble right but he's also it sounds like being passive meaning. He needs to up his assertiveness to say. Hey listen hey hey boss I just wanted to let you know when I put together this spreadsheet of what actually get accomplished. And here's the thing that I want to get done and I know I'm trying to knock out all the stuff. I'm here support the team but I also need to get these things done. Can you help me get these things scheduled. So that can be more value to you and the team So yeah you build a relationship through playing the game you build a relationship by giving support wherever you can but but at the same time. That doesn't mean that you just roll over. Never stand up for yourself. That's not what we're talking about here. The differences this is your building a relationship just so you can take care of yourself right. That's different that means. I'm just looking out for me. You're building relationships so that you can move down on the right path. which is by the way is GonNa make you more a bigger asset to the team? So it's a win win situation. Make sure you build our relationship and then talk to him about what is you're trying to get done while you're trying to get it done. And that way we move forward down the path and by the way if they're like shut up and just do this paperwork or shut up. We're not gonNA help you cool. Maybe we need to find a place that has a little bit better opportunity for me. And I'll start to float that out there. Humble Humble not passive remember longtime. You'd say you you you use this word efficient be more efficient rather than make it easier for for me. Even though they're essentially the same thing in certain circumstances where it's like. Oh yeah this will make it easier for me to become an asset kind of thing but for whatever reason maybe like just the way that sounds yeah. Sounds like you're looking out for yourself but if you say it'll get me to be a more. Valuable asset in a more efficient wave could say no to. Ah Grandma because what company doesn't fishing. No we want to take the hard road You WanNa do things that don't make any sense. We want to do things inefficient you know yes. Efficiency is important not only in Jujitsu not only in judo but in business life all right so there's one more little topic that I wanted to bring up and really it's. It's another question that I got it at jock alive in a got this question or a version of this question a couple of different times uh-huh and they all the couple different versions. This question about the same question and the question is is something like this something along the lines of. I've been pretty successful at this point in my life and I'm having trouble whole finding the motivation to take it to the next level. So you know it's like uh-huh people say oh so you you make decent money up a couple of. Yeah we're doing really well and you're working out. Yup Yup good near your family's taken care of you advocate Time with my family early. But you're not able to did the extra workout. You're not your skin some days. You're not eating great. You're not making the calls that you need to make your not expanding your eyes and that's going on right and so that's what we're getting. We get someone that's sort of in a good spot kind of across the board right kind of good spot across the board. It's hard kind of established that fact that they're in a good spot across the board and then I'd say it sounds like you're a good spot spot across the board. Are you happy with that. Are you comfortable with where you're at and the answer would be no and then I'd say are you sure and then it's a young. I'm sure you know I I WanNa do more and then I said that's a lie. Hi That's a lie. That's a lie because if you really weren't happy and you really really wanted to improve your health even more and you really wanted to improve your financial situation more and you really want to just broadly improve your life. Then you wouldn't have any problem at all finding the discipline the discipline would actually find you. That's where I'm at that you want to know why people are super much. You want to know why because this won't finds me because I know I I know I can do more and I want to do more and I know not happy where I'm comfortable where I'm at so if you're telling yourself no I'm not happy where we're Iraq then I'm GonNa tell you that's actually lie. You are comfortable. You are comfortable because if you weren't comfortable than it would drive you. The discipline would show up now. This is where I kinda. I kinda have to go a little bit deeper. So the what I just said if you tell yourself the truth then you'll find disciplined. The the framework of discipline is the truth. The framework of discipline is the truth. And I have Ah. I didn't do a good job when I got asked this question. I didn't do a good job of connecting all the dots because it actually is one level deeper it's one level deeper and it looks like this. If you're saying that you can't find discipline one and I'm telling you it's because that's because you are comfortable where you're at that is also ally that is also ally look telling yourself self that you don't need to get out of bed in the morning telling yourself that you don't really need to work out or you don't need to go harder or you don't need to do do more in your job or be more disciplined in the way that you live if you tell yourself those those things that's actually a lie because the fact of the matter is thinking about this the fact the matter is that you're not comfortable you're not happy you're not okay with where you're because that's that's why you're asking this question right now you're asking this question because you know you can do more you know you can be more for and that's the truth that's the truth and it eats you up and it makes you ask these questions. I asked the question to me and asked the question to yourself and the answer is the truth. You know wit. I know it. We all know it that the framework of discipline is the truth. If you tale yourself the truth the real truth the absolute categorical. Unconditional unabated on merciful. Truth if you do that you will find. Discipline Discipline Equals Freedom. Discipline is rooted in the truth. The truth will set you free. And what does that Calculus workout to discipline equals freedom. And I think that's all I've got for tonight so echo Charles. We want the truth over here. Yes so that we can do more and we can be more be more present. Is there anything that you do you know of. That helps reveal the truth to us. Es Judea to Max never lie. No they do. They're not man when you're when you're when you make eye contact with that guy who's a little bit better than you maybe bigger. Maybe we'll give you a scenario where you've got to put more effort than maybe you want to that day when you make eye contact and then you look away for everyone sees that. Oh you mean pre roll pre-rolled oh there's like a scenario that could unfold but we haven't connected. I contact four the role. It's like avoidance avoidance. Yeah Oh everybody knows. That's one of one of the many attempted lies that we sort of. Try to perpetuate in ourselves like Co.. You're like I'm good right. That's what people Kinda at Jujitsu. I think you know on the mats Akbar sure he's really sick due to. He's super like hard to row with just because he's a strong and wiry and athletic and freaky golden dozen stop but I have like an unwritten rule with him no matter what one hundred percent if if either one of us wants to roll. It doesn't matter what's going on. If one of US wants to roll we roll and and most of the time he wants. I don't roll them. Every that's how and in that kind I mean let's face it that you like. You have mixed emotions about those kind of because you see them in your like 'cause you have it in your head headline you can't not roll with that person. I have that with no where if he's there it's like it's on it's an him he's like I don't know if men he's been kind of working me recent their social him like I know there's going to be a hard roll but I can't not role with them the whole purpose of my existence here right now if I don't roll with I don't know for sure he's the same way he's coming at you the whole time he's freaking awesome at Ju Jitsu. He's in good shape. He's strong he's got he's got he's he's he's GonNa bring it. Yeah us. That's the way it is. Yeah yes no Akbar these guys that it's like okay. If they weren't here it'd be. It would be an easier day regardless law presenting. Yeah but not. Everyone's like that and actually there can be guys who are like even actually better than you but you roll with minutes like it's not this huge like it's not that hard of a role you know it's like there's just different times but the lie that we can can tell ourselves even though the only one you're lying to everyone can see what you're doing when you'd like to avoid that now there are situations that unfold and this is one that I do so. Let's have an injury right legitimate injury I will. Let's say a normal day for me like okay. I'm GONNA do eight rounds. Eight six minute rounds cool. That's normal. That's a good role for me. I had a good time. You know whatever takes an hour. Whatever he's a minute rest on suit so maybe not but but anyways if I'm if I'm injured sometimes I gotta be like okay? I can only do four rounds because then it's just odds. Yeah data I'm GonNa reinsure some stupid and I just I'm like hey I try to tell people beforehand so that wait. I'm not being that guy if you WanNa roll with me. Now is the time because in four roles maybe five Sir then I'm going to call it so it does happen and I guess the reason that I'm saying that is just to be like well. I'm going to roll no matter what if you're injured and like you know the deal like when you're injured you have you can you. Can you can get lucky for like three foals like okay. I didn't tweak anything we're good. They didn't get worse in that fourth fifth role. Now you're sixth role you're tired you're giving given up a little bit more and all of a sudden that's when you get hurt so just a just a little tale of caution yes big ten and won it. It's easy when we were just sitting here. You know not in the situates easy. It'd be like Oh yeah you just you just work around the injury and if you gotta get caught in a submission tile no. It's not a submission that you're going to get that's easy. You hoped hoped someone if you've got a sore elbow you hope that what hurts you is oh someone puts norm walk and you go. Oh tap early right. That's what you hope. It is what you don't hope it is. This is your rolling and turning in your arm gets about spot and now re-injure it. There's no tapping from that's a senator injury. Yeah so I mean what I had in my head was like Or your knee or whatever whatever rib when and you're like I'm just GONNA go kinda little lighter right exactly you're all around and then you run around with no or something go like no way man. I'm and it's you can consciously late. Start Rolling Yeah. Just see how much you can remember to go light. When you're you know things get competitive whatever? Sure you say to me like when you do a good move to me and you say. A sense of urgency escalates. That's a big victory for you. If I sent you. Emergency to increase in its biggest. W Oh yeah because you're just so good to me too. Well I don't say that at it's a big W but I do say I recognize anyway when you're in the moment whether you can control it fully or not or whatever I I would say you decrease the chance of you staying safe as time goes on guess you just. That's just like the numbers. sods odds are yeah made it through four rounds. I'm okay. I'm walking off the Mat right now right so that's like the opposite of a lie. You're being sort so truthful with yourself. You're like hey you know you're doing the right thing. The lie comes when you're like AAC you're not injured. You just maybe not feeling up to. Maybe you're hung over. I don't know maybe that you put a person and then you say well. Oh you know I'm this or I'm saying this in you say that excuse or whatever to yourself and then like you avoid the roles. I had wes Like I was trained. I was deep in some rounds and West and West was on the other Matt and he comes over and West is a beast to like. I mean he's just strong has Jitsu is awesome and he every time it's going to be a gut check and I'm like sit up against the wall I'm done and he's like. Hey you WANNA get one and I was like I said no You know I was like no and then then I was like bro like thirty seconds went by and I was like I bro. I'm sorry does this week because I wasn't done. Yeah I knew I wasn't done. There's Times where I've been like. Hey no I can't roll like I've gotta I'm no I'm done for the night. It's not smart for me to roll. I need to have discipline more than anything else right because you know you when you're injured you're there it's like you WanNa roll so bad you feel like a caged animal animal. You just wanted to get on the mats of Justice Pretty much anytime you're there and you're not ruling injured it's salesman working in my Keynesian filming owning whatever does this how but yeah but again. That's like the opposite of the Li- like your your. Your truth is is very strong. Like you don't like the Li- like St- hit you hard when you begin. Begin to lie to yourself but some people they can just roll with it but everyone sees what you're doing or the goes China's belt every ten seconds. It's you don't like old. They're trying to perpetuate but the mets they don't lie so that's why that's why we think it's a positive thing. Okay sure I think it does expose our truth or maintain our truth. Good I think so. It's gotta be careful like all ecosystems but in that ecosystem. This is what we do care about. What can we have? Are you see what I'm saying. Come on we all check it out like it put it this way. We don't want to be walking around with a second rate ghee that's made in wherever for not here. Yeah yes no. We don't would you want your data. Say Look I trained you too. I work hard and I support this country and its workers. Yes that's what I want my Gita. Say there's only one that says that only one gate it says and that's the origin and I think we all know that you know so. Yes the question. What D- what do I get one? I do Jiu Jitsu when I start you to compete in do did you. It's a you get an origin. Yes you get an origin rash guard for the Nogi scenarios set unfold. And then since you can't wear a G. and a rash guard in public unless you're John Donahoe diseases represent that rat is he's representing the rash guard super hardcore. As far as I know you uh-huh definitely so legit we need to send him some rash guards anyways. If you're not John Donne her and you're GONNA go out you don't really WanNa Wear Gi pants the guard you can get other clothing from origin. Main such as t shirts jeans and sweat shirts hoodies. Or you're going to say I think sweat shirts and hoodies kind of covers it covers. Okay what are you gonNA say usually jeans Jean's Delta Sixty eight are those out yet working on working on it. If can you working on it. All good actually told Pete. Let's and I don't like to do this but let's do the preorder thing so we can actually get the demand signal because people are demanding the delta sixty eight still because I talked them up because they are truly the greatest things I've ever put on my legs. You also joggers. Those are not the greatest things I put them on. But they're not really for me about a joggers Kinda guy because you don't well. Yeah I mean you know fashionably speaking Yeah that's not you comfort. You know. That's Kinda down there on your list of priorities so I get it right now. Those are just two things that I'm not super-conservative although oddly enough the comfort of the Delta Sixty eight is one of the things that makes them very epic just like the Cherry on top. Give you came to Dhaka wearing delta. Sixty eight yes. If you see me in public and I'm wearing jeans there Delta Sixty eight Jagan you go for gin main dot com is where also supplements these are important supplements joints for your joint supplements for your joints. That's important if you can be the strongest in the world shoulders not working. Let me ask you this. Is this jacked up. So guy hit me up on social media uh-huh and was like. Hey you're old how do you how do you maintain like how do you do this. And you know. I is one of those things where I was like. WELL DO I. Just tell them straight up man if you're not on joint warfare and Krill oil. You're just wrong like step number. One get on warfare pillow seriously sukro joint warfare. That's what you WANNA do now. The thing that I told them also is very consistent. Yeah right I don't. I'm not one of those guys that takes three weeks off from doing anything and then jumps back into to to squat like no. I'm working out for all practical purposes. I'm working out every single day now is there are occasions where life life gets in the way sure. Yep that's what it's called a day off and that's why I don't take voluntary days off but I'm telling you if you want to maintain pain like the activity at a high level and you're an older person I mean I'm only forty eight. I feel like I'm twenty one or twenty two. Maybe let's say twenty seven how `bout that ensure but joint warfare and Krill oil those of the supplements that you're specifically talking about right now so I can't recommend him strongly enough and I should have just told that guy. Listen be consistent workout. Do a good job warm up and take curling germ warfare but then you feel like on just in selling this stuff like Bro. This is it so I actually did him a disservice. Yeah 'cause that's true when you go like every day inconsistent your body story you know for lack of a better way of putting it in as far as details go but your body just used to it but at the same time. Yeah you know like your joints taking a beating heart which I which I mean. Why wouldn't you push your guests? Maybe under some circumstance that's okay but if you're pushing hard. Yeah yeah he joins going to be like Kinda taking some of the brunt. Yeah never sure so. Yeah if you're seeing the game it's like yeah well no more important if your joints can't Ed stay in the game you're out of the game. Yes that's the problem. That's the dude you can be big and strong joints don't work. It doesn't matter you're only strong as your weakest link. Think make your weakest link your strongest link joint warfare and Crowell Discipline go discipline powder form awesome if you need a can of a tasty beverage. That's actually good for you. Gifts discipline go. Rtd Eighty ready to deploy. Yes or drink quit. We prefer toy over here. I think also mulk protein in the form former desert additional protein. I know we're eating stick at it. It's true it's good but you want the desert with additional protein some To increase increase and improve your protein synthesis got hit to that one. It's like protein. Okay so I was. One of the guys is who Who one of the many of us who you know what you you don't anabolic window is after you work out and get a certain amount of time? Eat within. Yeah yeah you gotta eat the protein in Peking. 'cause that's when your body like kind of wants to take it in if you miss that window it doesn't take much in So apparently that's not as much of a thing apparently from what I'm Bro. Science has been deserted ninety four controversy in the Bro Science quarreled. I know men just a just a shift really a paradigm shift world. Come from someone that has a doctorate in knbr US Charles. I'm always stealing. Somebody's what is the point so we can drink malk anytime. There's another molefe off at nine forty eight at night when I'm like you know what I want dessert right now. I'M GONNA smoke. Yeah yeah basically yes. So it's more about the the protein rolling around in your system generally speaking and you know when your body needs protein to rebuild muscle. Boom you got some protein in there whether you take it in twenty minutes. It's after you left or if you know you're just sort of taking it in throughout the day same goes for your children. They can take in protein anytime they can also taking poison sugar but don't give them that. Give them the protein. The good stuff wore your kid mlk and then get yourself Jaakko white t by the way which which is as Equa Charles Likes to point out Janik is certified through high Jaakko willing organic certified teas salesman Louis. Who would have fought look? It's not about the organic. It's about having an eight thousand pound deadlocked which is one hundred percent. Guaranteed the blind placebo. Blind puts get some and by the way all these items are available right now at the vitamin SHOPPE. 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Ellenburg on Ellenburg:  The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1977

Thaddeus Ellenberg's Casual Friday

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Ellenburg on Ellenburg: The Gene Crawford Conversations, 1977

"Thaddeus soundbite presents casual Friday Written and read by Albert Good evening I'm gene Crawford former late night television personality and recurring telethon host tonight. We continue our year long series. Ellensburg on Ellen Berg the gene Crawford conversations with another memorable thaddeus ellensburg appearance from nineteen seventy seven with agents dominant. We bring you special narrated insights from the master of the Mundane himself courtesy of the Athol James Foundation and the Tireless folks at the Institute of Television Arts by this time Ellen. Berg had already moved into motion pictures most notably with his cruise ships film from nineteen seventy five which won four International Academy Awards ineligible for the Domestic Oscars due to the fact that despite an all Anglo cast. The film was shot primarily in transboundary waters. These included best picture best actress winifred border best screenplay and best score for Buster Leeann not only a commercial success with theatrical running time of nine and a half hours. A condition of closeness and cruise ships was lauded as cinematic marvel and through time noted as an early slipstream masterpiece handled with kind of and sensitivity similar to the films of the Great Walden. Gray a magician from Fort Lauderdale who self produced a series of how to tapes featuring a pair of hands performing card rigs with the occasional getaway glitch in an evening dress at this stage in Ellen. Burg's career the cinema. Artur had arrived then. Gene Robert show tonight with special guest Thaddeus Bird and featuring Jack Wilkinson the Gene Crawford Ban Ladies and Gentlemen Ha g rougher so. We're just going to keep going without a great. I see I commend your pace sir. But I don't agree with it. Miss Really you're sure I would reconsider the most about you. What do you dangle? I've no idea what that means like. I kind of CYBORG. Thank you thank you thank you. Isn't that Nice Guy? I use the reception like that. Last night's commemorative speech for the Coalition for networked values. They rushed me off stage after I misplaced my moral compass which is a real Shane. My father gave it to me on the back. Engraved at Ted Hanks Hawk Shop East Fifty six street. Listen we're going to continue. I'll need my scarf. Liu Bei herringbone lease discard the others in that discrete wastebasket. I noticed on the way in. I always plan for various moods and never wear my scars more than once ever since the fringe of my Blue Chiffon cake brushed against the table of that barbecue joint and truck. Ston Fatty Nectar of a secular bird or the juicy rump of a beast remains eternally at odds of my debonair dress and decorum. No I have to say the smoky must of my sauce. Speckled beard is quite the Aphrodisiac. Tangy surprised for my most shapely of sexual partners with whom I frequently engage in week. Long displays of shameless depravity considered unspeakable leaving behind closed doors. Which we leave open to coax unlikely participants with Joaquin Roddick's Roddick's mortgage board in eighty nine. I released Cologne called La- smoltz and intoxicating aroma of goose fat and chestnut spiced apples zest. It sent always calls to mind enchanted evening with Lilith Cranston thanksgiving feast consumed in a fit of passion little which was Ingested Orleans. Now my guest this evening to put it. Mildly is a regular on the program when we first met him he was writing jokes for Dave Perry other various late night standbys appearing on the Mel Silver. Show you're welcome since he's become one of the most exciting talents in the world of cinema. Whose films include a condition of closeness and cruise ships slowhand Bakersfield mini in constant and his latest twenty four stories of macaroni and macaroni. Absolutely absurd. It's likely to cause convulsions. He's a writer. Director and actor an amateur dancer and a lousy musician. He's back for another round. Won't you please welcome? That is Ellen Burr. This is your next clip. Really this is all. I recall several years earlier. Doing a tap number with Marilyn Colgate. That received quite the ovation. I was never really known for my dancing in the states but abroad. I brought peace to many a war torn nation with my to the untrained eyes seemingly. Spastic DOFF beat heaving fueled entirely by my own inner dialogue. I remember the network sensor took alarming issue with my wardrobe silver sequined halter top with matching hot pants and generous bulge brought on backstage by Claudia. Daniels and her delightful giggle. The show's director. Fred forest covered the entire routine and closeups to block. My what was later. Described does inciting knees side. Crawford's three hundred page doorstop of off camera interviews and personal letters published a ninety five to pay for his divorce to Joan bankhead. It was it was hampered terribly by its exclusion of more memorable. An entertaining correspondences with Crawford particularly the one where I so eloquently broke the news of my unrelenting lust for Joan after partaking in rejuvenating bowl of cantaloupe. That said Thaddeus. It's great to see you. Welcome back thank you. It's good to be back. We were taking bets before the show you know. I don't know if you've done this but do you know how many times you've been on the show. Which number of appearances marks? I have to check with my accountant. A great many. I can tell you that this is actually your fourteenth time or teens. Yeah that doesn't see. I would check that well. You know you're always an audience. Favorite more always delighted to have you back. Thank you How have you been? We haven't spoken since before the holidays. I was anyone been really everything going on out there. It's madness. I took a mob to the studio hoisted over their heads. Yeah something like that Jeopardise holiday. You were Michigan Right. I believe I read that now. Detroit yeah. We had a pretty far out time. Nancy nye abstain from the festivities this year. And instead well this year we back. That was kind of you. Yes it was. What did you do? Did you donate gifts or help with like meals? No we organized a bet in with Peter. Halford bent in. That's right Jim to give back exactly. Thank you now for those at home. Particularly some of our younger viewers might be scratching their heads. This is Well a kind of derived of citizens INS. I'm sure we're all familiar with us. A sort of a a a peaceful protests nets correct. You can you get out of bed is that is that allowed or is that in line with bet in etiquette you can but you can't touch the carpet fastened. There's a there's an ashtray right. I'm fine on the table. I'd like to respond to this segment by speaking directly to the audience is is that all right. What about review whiskers split? Give it an ashtray. Good evening and welcome that he said Lindbergh Air and thank you for purchasing this exclusive in home look into my life and work. A career spent exploring the depths of my tortured and sometimes tranquil existence. Say in a bath or in the divine acoustics of my wineries tasting whole what they didn't public broadcast. That's stealing and that case. Your donations are greatly appreciated. I'll be commenting on this exchange with Gene Crawford by reading a brief excerpt from me in the genius one of my many memoirs. I just so happened to have a copy as I carry with me all of my memoirs and a milk crate with wheels. I was criticized by my peers for being late to the antiwar movement. Not Publicly. But you could sense it at parties quiz show appearances. I was never really one for trends but when I stopped receiving free products for listed on Air Plugs. I had to act so we see on ourselves off from the public. Nancy and myself along with our friends playwright Peter Pfeiffer and his then Nanny Lover Yuki Sato the performance artist. We spent twenty three days. Inside the Wheeler House Detroit's premier bed and breakfast then sold tickets to the media. Ten thousand a pop for a soft. Our Peter had just closed on New York seventy-six end to much fanfare while you was promoting her new record. Though Wales of progress a four hour single track of construction sounds breast six double sided. Lp's we interviewed with journalists. From American Fancy Gregory Fulton and Keith. Helderman meditated for hours on end methods which included finger painting and stream of consciousness charades and saying love and protest songs with John. Logan the Bohemian Songwriter Constable Marley's midlife parade. Pack your bags old dog. Bobby's all grown up the tragedy of Terence lighthearted on thunderhead Ridge Logan's iconic ballot of the folk accordionist singing about two neighbors feuding over the name of an old ditty. They knew when they were young. This was of course before Logan Scandalous on American bout with the controversial Russian singer Irena Mironov in the nineteen eighties papers in the public alike. Condemned turf for unpopular remarks made in favor of workers rights delivered with great gander while performing outside the Republican National Convention of the work. Our minds where the canvas the bed our studio and the floor hot lava sadly to our dismay the ends proprietor was exceedingly unsympathetic to our cause and during our stay proceeded to build a large deck in the backyard. Despite our efforts day and night the hammering held firmly but we protested with animalistic orgies commencing just after curfew innocent promotions of love and celebration of. Communal ecstasy. Alas they dispatched the local Dogcatcher to round us up and after several hours of convincing due chiefly to are overgrown and unkempt beards as well as our immaculate cascade rich fleece like hair upon our chests as was the aesthetic norm established by my more fresh-faced Hollywood contemporaries alongside the creation of outdoor swimming. We were eventually released from there catch polls. We reenacted the affair and one of the many sixteen millimeter shorts we shot throughout our peaceful occupy or appeal films. I later compiled into an anthology called through the crystal door. Films of revolution and four post. Prostration was immensely popular but unfortunately had a very limited run as I single handedly financed the distribution years. Later came to my knowledge that at the time apprent was circulated in the scene showing up in coastal art house theaters bowling alley twin plex stag parties in private collections. We spent the remaining days under heavy sedation. Rodman by four hundred milligrams of doc see more. Fatal compounded with rare Chinese roots and the powder testicles of an endangered tree rodent taken to maintain our actions. Would you like me to keep reading? There's only two hundred pages left in this chapter. Let me check the thumbs on this one travel agent. Well you know it really really frees your mind. You know just getting away from everything like that and just separating yourself from society. We took the chambermaid generously with a paper. Michelle Ley Yuki constructed from pages of an old. I think it was pioneer women. We've found in the bathroom ever read that growing up. I'm sure fact that that was my introduction to the monthly. I WanNa talk about your new film but I wanNA ask you because we're used to seeing you do comedic films farces you know if you will until Brooklyn paperback thank you. You know that was the that was the first time I set out to make the laughs. Come second right right but there is still a you know a comedic notes almost tongue in cheek. Lampooning the references in clear yet. It's still creating something completely unique is what I'm what I'm trying. Say LIKE MOSAIC BID. Yeah Yeah Dorning a wall you never noticed on route you take every day there is but then you have these epic five act ensembles with everybody in town like cruise ships and summers in Topeka MELODRAMAS. You could say my my labours. My my joy wind chimes in winter. Interesting fact about wind jobs. Every horse used in the production was killed during filming. Isn't that interesting? Is that something you enjoy? Film was released in eleven languages. I record it all of them. I couldn't leave my cinematic integrity to chance. Chin-chin what I mean is delight making films that take place over five or more decades. Do you like to spend that kind of time with your characters. Well now you see gene. Let's let's listen here this. Can I get kind of get a light Jer Jack? Can we get here? Yeah here we go. We have we have the dash of a fifty-seven Callahan. Seabreeze just off camera. Thank you you don't smoke do oh I can't I mean it's my lungs. I rent them. It's cute well. It's a long show. Never mind this isn't what I thought. It was. Skip ahead to mind November sweeps appearance with that muppet with Shag. Memories and Delors. Where's Dolores Dolores? Dolores can? I can dear. Can I get a hot toddy? More taty than hot. Thank you see gene to answer your question. As far as I know we only get one go with this. I'm open to other views on the matter but I'm still hip to the current laws of nature. You understand and I did what people decide. Do with a lot of time. A lot again. Debatable. Joyce maiden chaos so to speak luck a leg up. Whatever therefore as storyteller. I often find myself compelled by the full scope of a of a an existence. I revel in painting characters. Complete arc narrative the march if you will lives of equal triumph and defeat rags and riches interwoven character. Ever-evolving convictions crumbling. Time that festering cynicism corruption the gentle hand of love and the adoption of US once opposed acceptances against interest this This check this continual conversation the veil of growth and decline rooted in a period a region. Persuasion that is storytelling and the visualization of this struggle. This firmly held belief in ourselves. Knowledge of who we are at a given time convey only momentarily through the placement of a camera that choice of Alinsky the Meson Senna Medically speaking about capturing the character ourselves they're interchangeable capturing the character losing themselves. Is that connection with the audience that cerebral thump on the NOGGIN. That emotional wallop to the chest. That beat that all important insert that swells your throat and makes you gasp for air like a fish out of water with the weight of our Shared Condition Mattis Cinema. You know in all our years doing this program i. I can't recall a single other time. When a guest has received a standing ovation in the middle of the show you articulate everything so romantically we know that. But it's also wonderful. Wonderful your phone your language. That's your signature. Which is something I know for myself. I really enjoy about your your films. Something I really enjoy about your films at the arrogance of that man never exhibited notion of modesty and for what how gene Crawford rose to any level of claim is astounding. You know we haven't spoken in twenty years. Not since I moved out of his Tim Bray Hills Guest House where I spent thirty six months. Plus two and a half years. Editing rains gapes at night. A momentous undertaking an obsession really toiled over rain scrapes. Making three fourths of an ETA today became a bit of a recluse lived and breathed the cut. I laid with the assembly. Each night entangled in it's brilliance coiling frame after frame after frame around myself. A love affair and seven reels crestfallen. It was taken from me by the Finance Guy. When he's government who got on board and picked up the TAB following my adventurous hiatus mining deep in the jungle see it. Is that what all this has. Four Crawford did that too busy Galley Wag. Put you all up to this whereas in another room. Can you hear me gene gene? You old goat get your but out here. Go ahead bring him out. This is a long time coming. Need to reapply powder to I. I don't know about this background though I get them back projection and here something vastly like a scorched prairie to symbolize distance in our marred relationship. What are you working on now? Are you writing gene? I'm always writing film the Big One. The one they'll all remember your next one history will write it my greatest can you? Can you share the title? It's called seventy rings from the bark. Seventy rings from the Bart's marvelous. Does the story of an aging director in reverse. You see well making his final film. We shave down the years until his story. Which of course. Rivals the one. He's making about you guys. But that's still gives me new stumbles. And that's that's what he knows something bigger than you than your imagination. It's no longer yours. I tell you in the final shot when we see his pregnant mother with her hand to her belly watching his father. The little tree in the front yard remember remember shot. Remember the you remember my masterpiece. I mean I. I made a lot of films in my day but known as good as that one was that powerful. Let's go again for safety. I I I really want to nail this. And we're we're still waiting on that TATY. Dolores Delors where's Dolores? It's difficult to conceive all the pictures. You've made erode short period of time. I could have made one less if I wanted to. Really the compulsion is that strong. Oh tremendous tremendous like I said life live is a kind of ride is no telling how long it will last or what kind of dips and dives it will have so enjoy and be thankful you. GotTa seat the only difference with me is. I have to ride all the rides thank you. You're doing first-class work. Incidentally Levy on ninety what was that I know this is a studio and not a bar out dare you. Who Are you? Who are any of you. I retract my earlier compliment. You work as not first class. It is a it is a much lower class. Something something suitable for steerage. I don't care if my levels are spiking what are levels at highway an excuse for your mediocrity levels. That sounds made up. Gosh you know. How good are you at sticking around? We have to step away for a second. But I I WANNA talk about macaroni and Maccarone gene for you. I'd I'd be delighted. Where's the man in charge? I demand to speak to him. This entire operation has been loosey. Goosey from the word. Go not once have I felt anything less than total contemptibility. From the moment we started rolling camera which are such insignificance. I don't even know where they are. Serious show me someone please for the love of God point to a God damn camera. Look Look I've I've flustered myself. Flustered myself to the point. I must now drink this piping fecal sludge sentiment is spot on though that is and that is tasty. 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The Dish With Trish

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"It. Is, welcome, back to another episode. Patricia podcast. I'm host today, we have an unofficial official co-host my mother Mana. You drinking non-alcoholic beer today and I got my ear. Because it takes star Addison Ray has a podcast with her mom not sponsored but it's called mother knows best. Oh, she has over I think has like forty million followers and her mom and her got podcast, which is so because she's like nineteen but the mom got in there podcast with my daughter. She wasn't made the deal look at I'm here with you. To everybody out there. Okay. I W I know. This gene. Heineken zero zero not a plug not getting paid, but it's really good if you're not drinking why you like the zero Trying to cut alcohol and it tasted it tastes like I like the taste of beer. So. Like the taste of beer. So then you go yeah there you go. Well, what's been with you this week in the world You all week. You've been a busy. More Sick I. Think I've been sleeping days that I wasn't doing things doing things I was busy, and that's why we're. Because I do not come over every Sunday but then I was like picture text them just make sure they don't come over. Your bad. We come over it and. I'm glad that you guys are able to just come and walking because. You comfortable. I always want. Like that with people, I love obviously within just walk in anytime come on and say the night with a key of course, suburb of how. It's been great. Yeah. cavs here like. All right. But growing up my mom always had the door unlocked. Home, felt there was a lot of murders and stuff back then including was one of a couple of farmers probably about two miles from where my mom dad lived. I remember that was like. Murder. Is holder couple now they they figured they had money in the house and that but that was like in the seventy maybe seventy. Illinois there. Actually was a Pekka tonic on the way to panic omra. Murder Tonic to they killed the wife and the they were probably The people will probably. Sixty seventies, it's always a true crime podcast Moore. On. But it's never been solved in that weird and that little area they couldn't figure that out. Where he went to high school and what's the population there Two hundred dollars I don't know what he's not very many thousand idol name, and now I don't think it's that many school what three hundred people because what is your three or four blocks of the town and you're out? He had that's crazy I. Guess people don't have cameras I mean even even we didn't have camera cameras because everybody that lives her watch is what everybody does. Well, apparently, they duty cameras that they didn't solve the they were out in the country you know they were probably like. Twenty is. Like almost dust road yeah. I was always scared of like maybe a quarter mile off the road you could see the house, but it's like never get solved it. That'd be my. Next life I'll come back as a detective Masai detail. At that again I always wanted to be like a cheaters detective out I could figure cheaters out in heart you you can't even get your. General, my life Yeah. Tiktok how are we gonNA. Figure out cheaters. That's got five. I don't know I mean. Maybe tug ticks because I had to memorize. Am I feel like we're talking fast we can slow as. We could do today if you want. You are talking about it takes me a week to practice. Well, we can do it off the cob out that unless it's just Yeah. I could. Do that Dr Day. So what I've been doing yeah. I'm GonNa try and answer your question. I have been circling back on. Yeah What do you do on Youtube? Now to. Pretty much everything that I used to do. I'm not doing the cattails as much. Well, my lightest one is the Non Alcoholic Tequila that you and I have tried. So tune into that. Yeah. Thousand her channel on a Pitas it's quite interesting. Did you go on? Dates. Last time we talked you said you're maybe on. And, you know they do want to get together but during the quarantines where they been. A little hesitant yet for that just strangers. And One guy told that to click he didn't respond back like, ooh, claiming he said I click me but I mean you. Know we didn't talk but I mean he never. Back and forth going on, and then he goes Oh let's meet and then I said well, you know self quarantine facetime or but I don't you know. Never heard from him again I'm Mike. That was mean that I mean that happens. I feel. Like that. Too. I was like mumble for like three weeks and then I'm just like more everybody. ACT Like it's not out there yet, but it's like you know. Oh the world, the world actually like it's not there but people are still people I drinking eating at outside I, get it their social distancing but the somebody's neither coughs your way like Kelly was saying she heard that lady. She. Had COVID. She goes I'm so bored though she went to target because I went there didn't wear masks goes I just don't care at my see those people out there and you don't. Now I mean the mask is like the least people do math on by hard but yeah, wow, that's a lot of. I wear mask when I walk yet so. With. Brita not going to lie and sometimes I'll. Come all the way down here. Right. So I'll put it up to Mitch. It's like a little air. Condition. Defeats approximately him with air holes but I. Remember that one big thing I think that's more air. And forty five mass. How I duNno, I remember. If masks anywhere like everything was sold out at the early quarantine. But is that what the medical people have worn I think Saddam can breathe but nobody also. Wearing them but when I'm walking but I, I do I wear my cap sunglasses and. Nobody recognizing they must think she's such a celebrity won't maybe. Just being safe. I mean that's a good thing though. and. What else? What else? By. The time I do you I'm trying to do tubes every other day 'cause they were exhausting me there for a while and then one day I'll I'll list on posh mark your stuff, and then the next day a pack it all up because one time I had like twenty packages. It takes a while to get that all to find everything because I've got like. To be sold. By time, look for them, my tapes around. Which Kelly always takes Mrs Irs so I just bought Myself Tom Put monkeys dog food. And I'M GONNA. Put my pasta. So, I'm ready to guy can wheel right out Dan life of quarantine mom And then my not alcoholic beer at time and a little of the Joe Kenda homeless. People were very impressed last time that you knew. That you hooked up with them. That was a comment that people were very. who he was so handsome like people were I want the same because I I don't I imagine over the years I've had different ones but I didn't know there was also they send you a picture I would recognize them. I didn't believe him, but he showed me. You were showed you like this is me. Honey bringing up their nose. Was a print ad back in the day. Down around with them, I went over to his house. He he that was cool to what was this talking about it Illinois he had a house in Illinois they had a big farm. Family ran this big cattle ranch in bailing. Ville eluned. Probably it is. There are there but I wonder if he's still there but I remember one end and he had a son tainting bid. I. WanNa, tell my. And then he had the Jacuzzi, he was all set up I'm sure he just acts on the Jacuzzi now, where wasn't about I don't. No. Places. Could have been forty five years ago. Place you've had sex related fashion house here. Wait I of a forty, five minute. Sixty one must have been forty years ago. What now? Where's the riskiest place you've had sex? I suppose to golf. Course Golf Course. Yeah That was back in the eighties. So that was really was wear what golf course. I think somewhere to. Kill. No. I don't know what the at might have been that. Carter Bush. that. That's crazy where you playing golf we were. Waiting for rattlesnakes to are some snakes. Can kind of gather who this is. Eighties. Okay. Got It. I want to hear more. Now, he didn't know this story now you were playing golf does you and him? To wait and I think there were snakes crossing by in front of us. So we're like Oh, my God. That's crazy. Now. Does Tom Hot I was very scared of that. That sounds okay. So. So then. We're GONNA sex is that's he was asked. I guess what you do is pull your pants. Everything had skirt on. And DID PEOPLE HIS Wide I don't know I don't works. Fast. Well, how do they do on airplane which I would never do with all the germs all. I barely want to go in and goes about. Golf whereas behind a Bush. In. But smoke that is how corus. So where what is a bio somewhere out there in the desert I don't know where wow you guys weren't arrogant caught. I guess not or maybe we did and we hurried. Story was so hot that day nobody was out this story. Yeah Oh, my God. This is why I am the way I am here in new awkward I don't feel like. It was. In the eighties like both of you. That's right. Wow that's. No I. that's pretty cool though I think I was wondering that because I just feel like especially and my sister too. I just feel like we're always oh, sexual Lonzo like pornography. McGregor we get that on you mom was to necessarily my dad that's so interesting. Yeah. Who who is Horny s spend you've add horn is what husband The one that like all into. that. I'll usually. Not? True. We know you and Michigan. Guy, always. was having sex because like we know no, you know why they think we had sex. TRICIA was over one time when you lay down in bed when I lay down a bit and I'm sure you guys do to is this lay down and it feels so good if you've been working hard and you just go. Oh My. And she thinks. That one galleys the Michigan one I saw the one. ACT The one that's dead. Now, the husband dead now I saw for shared Alabama and I was like, oh No No. No. Not. Like we did a whole lot. So there has to be obviously my my dad obviously was on the Gulf. War is who is Going to be an obviously was her. Because she's morning. No really no, no nobody I guess wasn't a thick. Well, dad if you wanted to call horny person that you can't wait to get home or at least in the car like them maybe after so many years you've been together you got to spice it up a little. Speaking of that and the sexuality I have to tell you that you know how everything is about big butts and your body I can tell you I did not see my but I don't think I didn't think it was a thing ever and then at fifty two is like, oh, tonight, I couldn't even tell you what my backside look like for fifty two years I think that's a new thing because I don't think. When I was when I was a kid, no one was talking about asses. Mir. Looks Real. Can't never talked about. I was talking about the yesterday with somebody and they were just saying. I think. That no one ever talks all tits. No one cared about right and you wanted to flat but because I was my big. She'd be like. Hips to people who didn't want to make it. Oh. This is a new thing that's like it's a phenomenon I never care I never thought. I'd get my but to be bigger like that's crazy. I never looked at my backside I never thought of I. None of that was ever. Trying to. Yes. Of course, I lived a very sheltered life anyways kid so. Maybe. It was going on I don't know. Yeah I don't know. Oh. Well, we have that story we could go to the Bush story. Redoubt Day area. Well, I'm trying to think like different times and the Bush being the seventies phenomenon Let's hear about this my what we were asking doing my hair my sister was in the room with me my mom comes in and already I don't hear about this on the podcast because it was what was what were you? Would you start? You said? I don't know how we got to talking about the Bush. So how how I thought of it? We were watching married at first sight and and bidding now don't shave their. Integral high paid our pets and it with a friend who doesn't like body hair and he was like so cool and like what am I grow Bush? I would never talk to you again and I mean, Hey, if there's something really turns you out I get that like if you really not go down on a girl with Bush cool like I get it but he's like I'll never talk to you again on the okay. Good to know. Good thing he wasn't around the seventies and wall. Yeah. I'd be like always had a Bush because we take showers not together but to like save money would like she would get out and I'm going to back and we'd all rotate that we wouldn't waste waters. I don't know I don't get into. The tank ran out of how Maybe. That was it. Okay I. Remember for some reason I was like rotating. Okay. We'll go out the front one coming in. The hot water yeah. Well, it's not liked him smothered guys watch show the mothers and daughters are so close that they take together. That I well I do too. I. Always very open. Just I don't know just everything. I was busy time worked in you know wash your clothes or cook for you guys. We get in and out show. Just. Gets to. Yours Yours Bush what happened? Do you have one now? Does my mom. This podcast I know I. Know were now we don't have sex right now right? Right but mean I shaved from my Bikini and sometimes I'll just take it all off. Oh I can't I don't I don't like the prickliness either. By your friends. Lays get laser now just kind of like. Wait so you do it for yourself because you used to say we're like, my mom's you shave your brushing. She'd always be like outlined feel like maybe down there that was always you're live. Yeah. When I would do a really good job with the new razor every time but. I I do now as I do. Change. Your mind, I just feel cleaner. So who was the personnel shaved it tell us that story. The that that's the first time I knew that supposed to shape. It's what I met him on the Sugar Daddy. site. Way Back when we were in senile yeah. Because it's like she doesn't ten right and. So what two thousand ten hold would I been forty to fifty to? My mom so. I've been lying about my age. Yeah. He wanted to go to this nudist colony that he had his mobile home up there and he was very rich. This guy you know he was an actor and stuff. So. I think I went out the first time by the pool and I wore top shorts because because you can keep close until you feel comfortable and then we went to a non we were sitting there eating everybody's naked but me like wait this isn't as discount. And you weren't making and everyone else. Let's yes you off people I haven't seen my mother making multiple times for whatever they get an edgy cousy one you've always been negated. You're getting a Jacuzzi always been naked. Problem with that is my point there must have been I must have been self about something. I don't know. I don't know what it was but anyway, we got on the dance floor. I'm still have that on. What he he started taking the tap off he goes here. This is macy now you feel comfortable but anyway, then the next with went to the pool. and. I. You saw had a Bush. Before so he goes he goes he goes here. Let's trim up a little bit. I was so embarrassed because I thought Oh that's very bull because first time we went to that pool that same day before the day before and I had the bush. So he must have thought, oh, she probably doesn't know. Bushy working shaving your ricky line at least. Probably never shaved off. No. He was he he was one that just wanted to. Teach women stuff I guess I. Don't know. But I god I know his latest girlfriend was very young and he said he was teaching her you know. To. Hygiene and everything why okay. Then your daughters but yeah, to me scissors no razor horror you were you on a bat on a couch no I was standing up with my leg up. Terming, buying head man match for him if he. Could. Be I mean he's still into be naked. He'll be negatives backyard. It'll be they can with we ate dinner at his place it. He'd be on their blankets on, of course thank God but. I am not conscious about being happy but like to e or like sit and closet made me. Work out eat not eat as much as he was really he was in really good shape. I was nude as we went to a nude beach in Maui and everyone has nude usually not active. I, feel that this place was taken unconscious I, don't know why for him because he was so bill really good. He was older though what fifteen years older than me so so when did you start going shameful commando? Probably after that. But I mean he left a little hair down like the bottom landing strip they call it the why do they do know the leaning? Is Sexy or not there is there. I thought maybe he left it there because at that time before I had my surgery. I. Think he covered up my B- flips. Be flips. Early. Counting US save. Her ends, I think. You're you're you're going out which I saw. That's normal. I seen a lot of China's now on my day and there a lot of girls have that very young girls to. Loose. Some girls have and guys love like actually some guys do love. Lucy Guy I met him. But Guy later on before I had that surgery. which was that a Vagina rejuvenation Oh I don't think he liked it. Which one? The one of the beach okay. So that made me very self conscious. Why? Did he say something? I don't think you ever wanted to go down. or He was if he did he was put ice in his mouth like for five seconds and up because I've never. I've only gone on the. Whatever? I. Think he was just a sexual person. Gagging. that. Role for teen decades. So maybe he was just he. Has. been guys ugly as I feel like everybody I'm you're tiny you're I mean I just feel like he might be gay about one. Or maybe maybe he's over at. Up early. Maybe, but I only belanger was to hide your beat curtains. I think that that is the thing in play because you have a loved pubic hair he. was shaved. She talked about this in her book choose completely wax and theme made. Put fake pubic hair on her in a landing strip position because he just like pubic hair. So member all them once he had. I. Don't know back or maybe you were there and he said he had all girls still with. All the hair. Or maybe it was on something that they they want pass and you could see all the pictures. Well, the seventies and eighties had you. Look at playmates from the eighties their Bush has. I Day they were no one eric rush though it was crazy. I know and. Let's just shave them I mean, how did that come about I? Think crabs because people are getting crabs in the hair in crabs on the twentieth from the in the Navy Guy Zeno now from the pubic hair, it's it's people right but I mean they kept having them bushes for decades after that right? So I think probably at some point, they're like, oh we should shave her pubic hair. Yeah. I'm sure that's IT and Hugh hefner still liked it. So he's trying to keep it alive and then some girls with the landing and I think landing correct me if I'm wrong. I think that's when you pull out. You're supposed to like come on it I. think that's like landing strip. That's. I don't know guys. Let us know if you heard something different because we hear different things but I don't know nothing I'm morning. No shave I I remember the ate my. I never touched it until I was eighteen and mine was dark and curly and I got made fun of it when I was in class all the time because I could see it through my swimsuit and it was very bad. I was very, very curly. I thought anything to touch it I I watch anything it wasn't until I was eighteen and the first guy I had with I remember I thought we were GonNa go and watch a movie and then he was hands on my pants and say, Oh, we're GONNA have sex. So I was like we I'm not ready yet or whatever, and then I went back like nine later but I got a whack in between because he didn't see. But I think he says he went down my pants and was like, oh, I. Don't think you're ready yet and I think. That was nervous was nervous. I never had sex before. So I don't know if it's like I was nervous that were then whatever, but he didn't. Think. I thought stop it and don't have it because I'm like, oh I. Think I, need to look. At, Waxed Natoli hurt because I hadn't shaved but if you're shaving and then get waxed, no fucking hurt. So don't do that at lasers and I just shave them between the laser treatments but. I don't like it. Even, when I'm not with a guy. I always. I think it's more for meets more commonly. Guy Ever that still has one. Dollar. Yeah. Well, maybe not. But yeah. I think most guys have here on their. No. Yeah that one guy ahead and but I Understanding why that you have to be Shea. But they don't have to be ashamed I'm like. A sexy ever had getting cited. Sorry. But it's like with the bad. Here's in your nose in. Most. Trim. Most Trim. No no he was. A NATO, an animal. From the islands yes. Yes I'm going to try to explain it to me like. Explain it like they don't have it on their shafts. So girls out on the but like, well, we don't have an inside our policy. So it's like that's where the shaft goes. It's not going on the outside of the. The Fat. While we talk about this fat over Pussy area way more hair than most people because there's a, there's a bigger spot. You know what? I mean I think a lot of girls have that do you? Have it like thin girls have like against the way your body. Nothing they're not just getting girls with like. A. Router Regina. Genetics. COULD BE I. Don't know I. See some guys have it to. where it looks like mine. But then when Pena's attachment I mean I don't know I think and again I think there's something for everybody I don't feel bad if you have like I said even beef curtains I feel bad because there are people who like that too so. Funny I didn't feel bad about anything move to La. It's like Oh, my God I on everything and like okay la La will. G That I. I mean I I. Don't know how I've kept my confidence, your la I guess because I don't know. It's brutal out here. I. Mean Most guys have never been particular about my looks hygiene until I I've always been okay. I think someone told me that I think I would be mortified but that's true I don't think anybody's really said anything. Bad Guy at the nudist colony said anything or not he was just really nice about it. He goes here. Let's just kind of dreaming. I. Think I. Mean it was Nice. Didn't think. At even really know what he's doing. And then when I asked the pool I might. Oh. Yeah I remember that you're missing for like three days. 'cause we were living together at the time and me and my sister were so. Her car. But that's my phone went dead and I had no to charge I. Felt really bad to Oh my God I can't. Let missing I know I don't feel so bad if I don't call for wall, my mom went missing a few times. So it's fine. I. especially. When you love yourself, you don't often. Stumbling, hit your head and nervous about that I know. You guys at least once a day to day. I'm good I'm just busy. Because I always think that I mean I don't I feel like if I don't call you guys for like a week, you might hearing family would do that while my sister has keys and my mom she goes could always come and check on me about that. Since living alone I was like, what Di, what are you noticed? How going to take you to notice. Well not you don't text every day probably three days. I know Kelly you heard from TRICIA. Name one I usually puzzles feel yeah i. feel like posting for like forty social media the night you don't hear from me then maybe something that I was thinking about I always think about that. That's why I like having someone here. So I'd like to keep friends in my life and was like someone years and he died. One time you're not social media, what four or five days. Because somebody was out here. Oh my God that was like tennis Oh yeah. Everybody was. Colorado in Vegas on I was. Out. Of It I had no idea where I was. I. Mean The happen we in the night I really drunk and the guy that was here he was really nice. So he's staying with me by you because he was here like seven hours. Still started puking. PUKING I thought I was GONNA have hard tech sometimes when you can there's nothing coming up I was like it's hard on your heart and I was probably puking probably for twelve hours straight and I thought. I was like really freaking out I did tax I was texting I think texted most I think some people. PUGH game throwing out just in case like dead or something like check on me in the morning. Probably out there by your pool doing only fans on. Your because I felt that I had passed out and then I was like I is after the shoot wasn't when during it but we drink more after I was like. Because he no, I'm not. I'm not young. I'm trying to think I'm twenty, three Oh you haven't done me to. The whole bottle. Of Jack Daniels. Days. Hey this is Jack Vanik from the beginning podcast and we have been busy creating even more opportunities for fans to get to know us with their near times. bestselling book act like a lady and exclusively again, clothing line with express. But it all started with the podcast and we've had some awesome interviews lately like Tan France, Kyle Richards, and Lucy Hill literally slap the shit. Guiding. Hello I'm driving she right before was literally talking about the size of her husband's Pena's again and Mike I'll read scripts where it's like twenty five years old with the baby but nobody can with the baby yeah. Maybe just have a baby. So be sure to check out the leading podcast on Apple spotify podcast one we can't wait to hang out with you. I literally drink to socialize, but then you know I overdo like my eating and everything. Must Me over do? I have tried to be better now. You, think you barely e otherwise? No I do. I gotTA get out and walk everyday otherwise I'll sit there and watch my shows and eat more even here you you pick at things you're more of a picker. Learned to be a picker I used to be a big. Shout. Them farm meals. My mom eight can eat everyone mashed potato bread and water the. Green beans, corn literally cheese all one sitting and then the Pie and Apple Apple Pie and ice cream that was you though we will you because I make bowl of spaghetti and then corn and mashed potatoes and biscuits and I was like Oh. My God. We'd so much I thought that the other day to my oh yeah I mean. There was four of us to eat off of it. So mounds, you would make I remember like whole plate a the. And then the Spaghetti has huge movement Smith you meet so much and then the biscuits. Five biscuits. Every lies I did cook like one that one guy now when I moved out here and I think you had already moved out to go. Separate way but. what am I? What are we talking? Out to food I make and I never thought about it because I use it for leftovers I. Remember I made the Spaghetti and to huge play and he's like, why do you make so much food? It goes I can't. I'm like, OH I. I mean every time and the breakfast I made you. I guess I am making too much but I've done it all my life. Cook that many and that most at your mom to breakfast, you would all you. All Megan. Maybe two things you would like to pound. Yeah. You guys loved it. Yeah, you know I didn't realize we overcooked over either until I moved out and other people are like don't eat as much food. Yeah. But you know I felt like we're always busy because you guys didn't really eat lunches. So new and put a fruit roll up in a Bangel and you want to eat anything in the morning before. Each. We have a big dinner. You know I never ate lunch at school sometimes parts for lunch and people like that's. I was poor but I think I need this back then to where I was like I don't need anything I duNno. Weird because I only have pop tarts thousand, and then we're also dean their hot lunches sandwiches. No no I really didn't want to eat I. Don't know I felt conscious about eating I think like one time I might have like, no I think there's just always health conscious led to wait. You know what it was about hot lunches is back yesterday me standing in line for food when you have ten line for your food, I felt fat thought people were judging me like, oh, she doesn't need food. You know what I mean I never liked getting lunches because I thought we were. Judging me and then you're GonNa care your tray and find a table and it's me holding food. I just thought people would judge me for like eating food. It was very weird that was like from early on. So even yesterday, I went to a place in line for food and I have a really weird thing about standing in line for food. I'm very self conscious how they just feel like people are looking at me like Osha that food he'll funny you mentioned that in high school. Same thing I would want those hot lunches though so bad insight. But I thought okay, I'm fat they're going to say something might chilling outfit on i. Never had any friends to eat what they always had different periods. China. Okay. I'm just going to go get this peanut butter sandwich, which was probably more caloric than what they were serving right but. There and eat my peanut butter sandwich everybody I just one of those hot lunches so. I definitely want like Tater tot. All want to get some of those theater stuff but even in high school even the Hillbilly School I want you back in high where it was like fucking van Vandross I literally still don't want to go up and get tater tots and even as I would never eat pizza and they're like, don't you want to. Pay The money because they would I think it was weird. They would reward you forgetting pizza then like, oh you've. Got To put five dollars like everyone for five dollars and they're going to get two pieces of whole class you're not asking. Today this right and so if you wanted to science you had to pay but then they choose pizzas for the whole classic. They probably pocketing that those teachers probably they're like you have to pay but even then I would pay five dollars they won't be poor but then I just WanNa the slices. Bombing. Says I hate high school they should just do away with it and just do home schooling or online i. mean look at it's working so far obviously. It's just such a cruel time and it doesn't I don't think it's any better than when you're at school I don't think anyone really made fun of me for my weight snow, but it's hitting your head it was in my head too. But I think maybe that's like us new. We have mental disorder even sorta no, we're not the only ones know where the only ones. I, think there was a lot of fat people in my school and they just were fine eating. You know what I mean. I. Think some people just didn't care. I think. Be cared a little bit too much. Yeah. I. Definitely thought that was I did feel sad about it but I think we're GONNA get I don't remember people making fun of me. Twice for my way, I remember people call me like I told me I had like more roles than a bakery like I remember that some of the Harry lip I had like paint may Bush and the swimsuit, the book rack. So I can dig it made fun of a little bit but nothing running in Gym Class I was always the slowest since we will call me fat ass because we paid us or the TRICIA fat ass. Like me I was always I was not any athletic thing either. Can't can do that. You've. Heard that before. In different eras. The lunches either. I don't think I've ever told anybody I never Tom Verde. Try didn't say what were you gonNA say Mama today it's weird. Home. I'd go home like. Popcorn. Hoses. Yeah. I. Mean That was the Nice thing though because we'd always come home watch full house popcorns. Always. Looking forward to that. So I don't like the worst thing but. You remember when I lost weight for that play. When we were packing atomica I really didn't I didn't eat two weeks straight. slimfast a yeah. I. Think he just had liquid and I remember you reheat leftover from Imperial House, my favorite restaurant and I still didn't eat it I. Don't know how I have the willpower back. Then I cannot go without eating. Now I don't even remember that play I, remember your ninth or eighth grade play but not that one that. Ever came to see me and I was. Like I like Marilyn Monroe, the character that it was very it was weird play. It was like not a real plaque like it was once wrote late locally. I really. Do I. Don't think it was but yeah, it was various Guinea memory teachers like came up to me and we're very concerned like are you okay is everything okay at home or eating like I remember the guidance counselor like call me and they thought. Eating disorder or that you weren't feeding me or something because I literally I remember 'cause I weighed myself I think from one seventy, three to one, forty, six in like two weeks say like thirty pounds because doing gym class every day because out the year ahead to gym classes because it was like it was like a year had to make up for the home school that I wasn't even if I hadn't double. Double Gym every day plus not eating I. Mean I was very skinny and very concerned and it's not good. Don't do that but I don't know high the willpower because even now before shoot auction to eat. But I know I'm like before like a only fan I'll do like a hard boiled eggs eat something toe strike host. To Eat I. Don't know how I didn't pass out after watching video to eating for her boiled eggs. That was not a hit only has eighty views became I would have been on my channel than eighty thousand views. I know I haven't I haven't done A. Need because I you laugh my whole life has been losing weight whenever I'm dead just that I'm resting in peace and not worrying about my way and what I'm eating and it's not that anyone it's that, hey, comments that get to me. It's myself. It's my own fat. But. I just had not for this. I really don't care that much. Oh. A couple. I think it's just a struggle always have thinks that like when you have that in your head, you're gonNA have gone like a therapist but I feel like I'm just always gonNA. Feel that way I shouldn't I take it my age, and then it's like. How do I don't like the fan? Back. I think there's always gonna because, I, really care I really care I. Just want to be eating. You know what I mean but I just it is. I think about all the time but then I'm happy someone. No is a complicated one. Your heads. The brain is just placed on you. I guess well, yeah I mean those disorders of our world but but gee, every member everybody has. Things that they don't like about themselves and why go back to earlier is that what you don't like about yourself. Will are people who love my little belly and it makes me the other day serving my belly. It felt so good and I know anyone touching my little area it's like this part dumbing not flat at all and it's like kind of just flat. Basically one little. What would you call it like a ridge or something is like one little flap Abdomen Amon. Yeah. It's really mines and I've seen bigger flats almost I. Don't know how to do this little like gut and never let anyone but someone's Remington and. I duNNo. Soothing felt like I dunno I. think that's in our family too because I miss having chilling pictures I remember in high school and and and I can remember he goes Oh, could you suck your gut in? Who the? Yes I know what it was. Like what does that? I really and then he showed me what do. Stupid. You just sit up. Yeah I. Guess I was slouched down and then it gets poofy there. Go. Well, now, in pictures I, tell people I can thinking my. God because I hate when I like a big remember and the superficial music video that big got no silver pants and no me. Tell me like Oh. Let's get some springs on or something no one book and said that to me I thought I would find that there was no mere in their rooms I couldn't check for myself. I was like, really you love me do this. Video look superficial but any silver pants? Golic. Bigger than what I actually had. The pants and the whole thing no one told me and you were there. What was I going to do? There was nothing I? I. Think I had a singer but. You could have been like photos center on blame Michael. You're the one I should have told me I was like I was like, Oh, you were. Not In every. fucking put center on but I'm just saying like an everyday life I would or photo shoot life I would. Like if you were like, okay, my bad. When we did when you took nudes one time I was like, oh You pose like, Oh, put your arm this way. I was new maybe that was one of the first videos I went to that was Leonardo nomadic. Back Yeah, those are the weekend. I. Think I have your wings by the way on that one. Saying, mark I guess I should. Say the little ones little ones. I do. Yeah. They were like upside down for the video, a Affiliate two pairs of wings. where else did you wear wings? Remember Oh Mary Trish Myths. Out Yeah. Maybe those wings I. Got Two wings. I didn't know what the little ones are from. So again, I'm on posh Mark I was. Selling that Selena outfit that you were at the on Texan Oh. So I go. Okay as TRICIA. Show her shogun this person goes with what size is it 'cause I Patricia size in the size thing just shy Isa. Engines the custom piece maybe I just put large. Larger I was probably about a large. Out that was when I was a lot bigger. The material stretches and so it's a great piece. I know He. Could Really Michael Philpott I just don't need it. You feel bad party with them but I don't really. I guess you keep costumes people do that I think you should keep like the cool ones that you like because when you get your house, then you could do a Georgia see what does put off. Even, Britney Spears had that her Hollywood. Her residency like all the costumes to look at. It's cool for that. Me Remember Michael Jackson Britney Spears Joe but I don't know really would be called. I didn't you what was one really really loved that you should keep. I. Keep them for what I guess a look at but I think I would keep the one I would keep an eye still have is the one from fat chicks the. Pink Gingham he's not I do. Because it was like the couple of days after I had my mastectomy and I was pain but I went to you and you look so pretty I think that's I i. saw you in a video Mike. My baby was before that but other than that. I, right yeah. So I Shaquille O. my God you just days before that video wasn't very long after I was Jesus up because I remember them. boobs the one for facts I had that had the little little one that they eventually puff out by any why do I? Remember being in pain. I'm like I'm going to go you know. There's a photo of US I love that I should probably get that. A hat on no oh, did I oh yeah. Outside Yeah Yeah Pacific that I think is Mike. Keep Yeah. Keep it in. My House He's every at Museum of me and my and my little. At The. Event has got rid of leather jumpsuit and then no one could see. How? Does he get suffocate oh? Yes. Like graceland there's a ton of his outfit. Worn in movies and. In an Ecole, the her estate sold like a gene. She wore dresses she warrants like that. I mean Larry Birkhead has a time like ideas him and trying to get him on the podcasts get Larry Birkhead on here he's a ton of Anna staff and I was like came why I would buy it and stuff I think he's giving a lot Danny. Lynn like he has a Kirk Kentucky Derby off it. I. Was like I want that so bad I was like a pink dress with a pink hat I kind of remember the yet. He has a ton of her stuff he has like. Her purse that when she died in the Bahamas, he has that person she has all that stuff look. How did he get all that? Well Daniel and probably got the whole estate so and he's she's living with him so. He probably got it. Captured though yeah. I mean he's he he's very much into keeping Anna's. Memory Alive. Sorry leading. I gotTa let us pick one on you not bleeding. Bad Yeah like. Talk going to but what happens is I'm which no do fall. No Okay we'll talk about the. Video. Yeah thanks. Mike for some men are you Okay her and there. There's like a bruise on. Yeah there's a lot how. So, it's part of the job. I mean, this is like. Has Taken. One for the team Oh that hasn't won before I have rug burns on me in a hotel room. I don't know why we're on the floor like. That go on the floor I don't know how that happened by. Rug Burns on there and I was like probably more leverage you Playa, Del Rey apartment the person I was with at the time the theater actor guy. That has sex on the floor. I had a couch. I had a bedroom. I had the whole place to my father was like, why are we on the floor? Okay. That is so weird I wanted to be on the same level as maybe know he likes what could have been on the on the, but he never wanted on my better on the couch. Dirty cheating change it. I don't know why don't know but going back to Larry whatever happened with him and Larry who Larry. Sorry whatever happened to them because we're still together like a couple of years. I don't think they were ever together I. think that's a little thing i. think he just likes music. I think the hooked up with really according to his side of the story they were in a love affair but yeah, I don't think. So I, mean, she was with Howard k stern towards her life I think. He was photographer and they just hooked up the Kentucky Derby photographed. And I think, maybe he flew out, he said that he they lived together answer you city. I thought it was like Kinda tip because she wasn't really out there in public on dating because interest talking about the security guard because the baby turn anything is the security guard is a heart and all these people all these people came out of the woodwork. So he goes like. Yeah but you didn't see her from when she was having on her show. Two. Once you got skinny skinny I mean now had to be like fifty sixty pounds. So where was she during that time with Larry? I'm sure she got life. Oh, they just want to tell anybody. She was she said, you just ate oatmeal now. Raleigh's you probably have surgery washes they get started and like Oh my God I went on a diet. Wow especially because she would have loose skin and stuff. I'm sure. I'm sure she got light bow and then yeah and then she probably just didn't eat the. OATMEAL. Whatever I'm sure that's what happened because that's what happened was skinny. We're like what I know like me like all of a sudden it's being skinny the next time you see me on the podcast what was the last time you saw her in between was Okay Dude but I'm saying like if I went away for three months and came back skinny. prerecord things but it's like a pilot like maybe they put her under for three months and then. It'd be Joan this stop eating altogether because there was a thing back in the day where they would put you under for a week to lose. A bunch of weight where wire your mouth shot that too. Painful. I'd rather be put to sleep I. Guess. Because what was Oprah's first thing? Here's why where she just had that. Some kind of. Just. Drink. All. Liquids. something. I. Mean it was something. That was my mentality landed at some fast I was like, oh, drink liquid slimfast all the time I drink at three meals a day. And get it works I. Guess You have a meal at night but well I think I didn't even drink the things, i. Drinking I think I'd let me one a day. Well, let's like people who fast for thirty days I'm like. Oh. My God I know that water fast remember like. I don't know last year at some point. I just drink water five days and I mean it was crazy before and after. I don't know how did that last year either e food you're supposed to eat food I could never do it now. I. Before like if I was going out on Kenny all day I you know or It's not all day. If you're GONNA eat at night that's that's fasting I. Mean that's not great for either but to not eat for days at a time. I was twenty, three Jane this really cute guy and. He's Got, be. Skinny for him because he always had skinny girlfriend. So I can remember I was just eating apples and OATMEAL, and I was trying to get down the his mother came in I was working in the jewelry store at the time she goes for lunch and she didn't like me anyway. Fat No, but she going to talk about you know because. I was divorced and they didn't believe in a worthwhile she's going to you know pound me on that but I. I already ate no come on because you can focus on. Call she was grow guy I'm like, no, I'm really getting my tongue. It was big but like. I felt so bad. I never went, but I thought. That's been me I used to be like is not WANNA hang out with people on a diet as have a music video next week I can't hang out with you, which is sad you like you waste months of life you. Remember he invited me to go party this guy the same had the mom what we all have moms but. The my party in Rockford Illinois he let's go I'm like oh I made some excuse up and I think he was really mad. I mean I I didn't go because I. Thought I felt fat that day because I had eaten. Up that whole. He he broke up with me soon after. I was I was like well I will go if I hadn't eaten that day but if I forget it because one I eat and my belly just got pregnant I mean I've been there too with. Like Benny I cal up with this is no. I. WanNa feel your brass like good sex if you're not going to feel good. People do are they always ready to go out? Know or do they have make up excuses for stuff to I'm like is the distance. In question but even sometimes ten getting fat or sometimes girl don't want to be skinny being too skinny. Skinny cancer that you're skinny girl I WANNA be on my podcast interview. Well I guess I've interviewed getting growth but never talk about their weight because it's weird thing to say. Actually, shouldn't you someone with an eating disorder I think those are. Not only that but. How did they stay? Skinny? That's you should have somebody who who skinny that. You know what? Maybe some are genetics right? That I know. HOW SKINNY PEOPLE IN Hawaii. One hundred model like I feel like I know why I felt I'm not missing people I'm sure those people are too skinny I. Know I can't think of anybody that they must not eat bad thing or just genetics I think also genetic genetics big part of it. Yeah. So that's pretty much it going to happen for you this week mom well, going to start only fans you're kidding just kidding. No. Like I said that'd be too brought to do that. I see what you go through kid and no date you're not into. Exciting what are you gonNA to Spice Up Your Life Not Well, there's nothing really to do. I might go out to the guy. We we. Are something like that like some row. Malibu. PCH. Neptune that yes I. Do Mastro's they outside eatery. Awe. They have outside dining in male both the in the parking lot. The. Dining area so that people can eat outside. Open inside because I am getting bored. Yeah. It has helped to go out to eat like feel a little more and more. Distancing. It's safe. Guven Calicut all that green chef, and she's not making them and takes. Dog Get it is they send the wrong the wrong with the dish. Sponsors. CanNot delete dose, out. I am not a fan of that. I one friend swore by the girl who does my swag reach actually ahead? No. What we ordered a steak thing and they send a shrimp. Shrimp in there just sending it and give you the option to tell you if you're allergic no, not that I know. Yeah I know I can do those. Things because I'm just I'm too picky. I just WANNA eat when I want to eat. Sometimes, it's to healthy and I get a Kelly through the Kito. Just giving my APP. Or sledgers our Jack. Exactly. We Love jocks sponsored it. I'm south of Jack Box I think about Jack Marks all the time there's one street from me and I can now get through I went with. I. Let me just try it because I can't how carly doesn't go through a drive through and we actually wanted the box Annenberg can you drive through? So does fit the drive-thrus I was being scared I guess bucket. Let's try. It was sort of drive through the day we know what it was and I'm like whole should car through. I'm GonNa, put them all down we. Are Bucking Tie. Like. Make. It like if. Okay, but bells is really little. TACO Bell Fan I'm not ever going there used to be my favorite spot, but they don't have taco salad also don't get your news anymore mom from facebook. Okay County. Is doing she pulls out her instagram family chat but it. But it put the name of the restaurant and where it was at mom does that was Naria photo that was photo shopped that Latreel all my. Mom sent in the group chat and Demean Kelly instagram like don't eat it. What was it called? Chin Chin Out of Atlanta because they had package mice, rats, cats and dogs and it was at clearly photoshop photo. Maybe. If it's real the story they should've have put a photoshop by the photo was so photoshop that was. Like. Skinned mice. Yahtzee get up on top of that was the most obvious photoshop. If it was true for me but they should have accompanied with that photo because I was clearly not real those mice we're not real. We're. Doing. I don't know a mom. Thought. This was me just still so I was like I don't really know what's happening. Okay. Looming nothing. Now, I just put it out there because it was up on facebook. Group chat anonymous US looking at Lena. Did I send it just you know he's entered in the family dog. Responded I have to go look I was like, Oh, I don't know. We should talk today. Too Much my hand zero zero. 'cause I have some in the fridge? So I know someone. Who touring the Heineken Zero my mother, who's been brought. Over here I am. Shouldn't judge people's frigerator I got judged again at the grocery store really. When I was getting all snacks and I was crazy ali'i. Bags of chips in there and like all on the top and I I can't blame him. He was like eighty behind me but he was like, how many kids do you got? After. The Guy Behind me he looked great. He was seventy nine. He said he was rockstar eighty. He actually did look really good. He looked sixty well, what the fuck eighty and he asked me how many got it might him but the one I did mind was I just got roses and then I had carts fold Whiteclay, I probably had like one hundred and one hundred like wind boxes in my car, and I'm going to the store I was going to go the same way the bulk and one of the employees at the rally was like. Oh we'll look at that car over there. Along the lines of like that was like a fun night or something that just for you like where's your? Comment at the grocery store. I know they're to have a party or they're gonNA come out, and then for another two months I mean I think. Clearly, not all over me but like diaw whatever was. My House like twenty people I don't maybe it's hard to find. The hockey look in someone's cartons make a comment like two people at the employee and the guy as a magic what they say to the Guy who took fifty thousand perennials are. Key to. What was those comments? Didn't they ban him from selling those two on Amazon. Like new happening because he was gouging way how'd he ball those? That's a good question. He sent his brother to different states they both went to states and he would stay back and he would sell them and his brother would keep going store to store. Are So. Crazy. I knew I don't know. I don't think I knew till pretty much march march to get the pandemic well I was I predicted the pandemic by the way in twenty two, thousand twelve. Know this no. I have a video where I'm literally like I'll show you I have the cove masks on. Our turned us down and I predicted that the world is going to go through pandemics. I'm getting prepared look at my skin. And I sat at the beginning of the video that I'm preparing our. Head and what year was this was twenty eleven. What what was it called? nope a call. And I have to Hove Ed math gone. He should still have that wick why also that's so weird. Why am not even remember wearing that's. Sometimes. That's weird. You predict the second coming of the quarantine. Anyone. Could have predicted that Oh you know as we're you may not get the reference but whatever we we watched talking about this Kelly last on the last week's podcast Prince of Egypt last night, which I'm not gonNA explain the whole lots in the last podcast. But basically is about Moses going to free the slaves in Israel like Moses whatever and God was speaking tempting go free the slaves whatever and so we were ordering pizza and the pizza came right as we finish the movie and we a lobster pizza in to to pasta dishes and I took the bay. Setting adopting Oh, no Rep. lobster be try to run after the Guy Ticket. The thing is barefoot and the security. I was able to like Hong and get the Pizza Guy to stop to get pizza and then. Followed me out because he's like Oh woes dark and Chennault shoes on. So he followed me out and the guys necklace he's he didn't look Israeli or Jewish or anything like this guy was not that he had in Hebrew the word God on his necklace and it was weird weird because we're like we watch this movie about God talking to Moses and this guy looked not Jewish Israeli at all and most. Hair like you're not. Really saying anything but it's a god and he bro Maybe. He didn't even know. 'cause you know how you Kinda were like there was those agencies because they had cooled symbols and stuff. Yeah I. Know what they were won't be happiness or love maybe something like a scientific and we got we just watched maybe talking to you as maybe need go thing because we just watched dollar Moses to go free the slaves and maybe do something right now during this pandemic to ski my pizza. Wanted the. 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Episode 5 - London

Sincerely Fortune

31:59 min | 2 years ago

Episode 5 - London

"Welcome to another episode of sincerely fortune. I'm fortunate fame. Stor. And I'm here in studio with our favorite jacks. Hello everyone. All man, you guys. Thank you. Everybody. Who's been tuning into the podcast you've gotten some really great comments. We had my mom on last week. And you really wanna hear an episode of her talking about sex. I don't think I'm ready for that. But you never know. I don't know that they know what they're asking for. I've been stuck in the car with her for four hours when she went on and on. And it was it was intense entertaining, though, it wasn't her tainted very that. She's very entertaining for sure, but she doesn't hold much back. So I'm gonna wait for that toll. Maybe a year is. And then I'll be like all right ginge. They're ready for you. Now's your time to shine. There you go but were super excited were currently in the process of packing not like our house, but we're going to London next week. I can't believe it. We're going to London because I'm performing at the SoHo theatre March fourth through ninth. And it's my first time ever performing the UK. I feel like I put that on my vision board and it's coming true. It's awesome. I mean as a comic the goal is to perform places all over the US and the you'll get to do new clubs, but like the thought of getting to perform internationally doesn't even enter your brain. And so this is like beyond my wildest dreams and I'm excited because it's brought up a lot of memories for me. I haven't been to London since I was twenty three years old. So I started looking through meld scrapbooks, which is. Something that Jack's didn't know that. I did. Yes. She posted a photo of herself and London in early twenties. And I noticed that the edges of her photos. They weren't scalloped. What I don't even know what you call that edge. But you could tell that they were done with scrapbooking scissors. I know this because I went through small script booking phase. I think when I was in high school highly college, how do we both have scrapbooking as we're the same age? So maybe it was just like the time scrapbook, I was super hardcore scrapbooking, I got the scissors with the designs, and I have all the books like they're like underneath a bunch of other books. So she never Jack's never knew ahead like six scrapbooks full of crazy, cut out pictures, and I have stickers. And I've spill a lot of time making those grab book. I very impressed. My scrapbooking career lasted about a half of a scrapbook. That was the. Yeah. But it's cool now because it's full of memories. And there was a period of time when I was twenty two twenty three where I was travelling ton. And that's during the time that I went to London. So now that I'm going back. I don't know what to expect. I don't know. I hope the food's better. I do know that. Yeah. I had a hard time with the food when I went as well, it wasn't great. But I think that it's come along with from what I've heard we'll find out also. And I went before I was pretty broke. So I'm sure the restaurants that I can afford are going to be a little bit different this time. Yeah. When you're young the goal is just to travel like traveling. Oh, I just wanna get out there just want to travel, but you have no money. So it really makes you become more resources full. So how many times have you been to London? This will be my second. I went one time when I was twenty three I was living in Spain for the year. And I would take. Like little side trips. Now, listen, I was broke. This is I'm not saying traveling is something that only people with money can do I was so broke, but you can travel for pretty cheap within Europe. So I think I got a flight for like a hundred bucks flew to London. My friend was studying abroad over there. And I was just so excited to be somewhere where people spoke English in Spain is very hard to understand Spanish because people speak with their tongue in these speak, very fast. So London has a very special place in my heart. Because I remember I was watching like The Lion King, and I suppose like, oh God, I can understand what they're saying. And I just felt like at peace because Spain everything was in Spanish, the TV shows the movies everything and London felt like in. What felt like I was home. Like, even the news in Europe. It had a an American vibe to it except for the double decker buses and driving on the. Other side of the road. The first time I went to London. I remember getting off the plane and getting into the city and thinking like wait, I just flew for how many hours to get here. Because it reminded me a lot of Toronto. What took you to Linden a good deal on airfare? It was my first year out of college. And I was dating someone and I found some great deal. It was like five hundred dollars for flight and hotel for a long weekend. So we booked it. And we're excited to go. And then we broke up couple of weeks before trip. Oh, no. What did you do? Well, we decided that we would go. We both were like, well, we already paid for it. We can't get our money back. So let's just go together that could make for a very awkward trip. It was all right. We ended up having fun. We got along. And then when we got back we didn't talk again for a few years. Because it was my first year out of college. I was also broke. And I remember being really surprised by how expensive everything was especially in London. Yeah. We went to a coffee shop and the coffee was so expensive that I thought oh, there's a Starbucks. Let's go in there. But I think my drink was over double the price that it was back in the state. So we just ate one meal a day. We ended up going to subway and splitting a foot long anything to try to save money. I think maybe we even flirted with some guys with fuzzy teeth to get some teetering. That's disgusting. They really had fuzzy teeth. You don't remember that? No. Yeah. The dental care is different over there and lots of yellow fuzzy t. Whatever it takes them, thirsty thirsty. I didn't flow with anybody London. I was deeply in the closet. So that means you didn't go to the gay bar. No. I didn't that you told me there's a bar called GAO called gay. And it's still there. I don't I haven't been to London a longtime. We're about to find out. Yeah. I hope there's a gay bar there. I have a strong affinity for gay bars in Europe. Even though I was in the closet. I went to a gay bore with my friend Brian in Paris. There isn't like mister Peres contest. Where all these guys were in tiny speed os and prancing around the stage. And I I got really hot. And it was like in the basil. You're getting out worked mister Peres was doing something for me. I didn't even know and it wasn't like the base of this club. And all of a sudden, I just passed out like in a movie pass out like I fell over. And I came to like, I was in the home the ground, and there's all these gay French guys. Oh Lord will get accent. I was so embarrassed. I guess my knees are blocked, my friend, Brian light grabbed me, and we go scurrying out of the gay club laughing so hard that I just passed out in the middle of the gay bar in Paris. And I think I wouldn't ate a crepe. It made me feel better. I'm glad you weren't worried. I passed out when I was in Amsterdam. And I remember freaking out thinking like oh my God. I'm going to have to go to the hospital here. And but everything was okay. I think I just had too much fun at a coffee shop coffee shop quote unquote, coffee shop with weed. But yeah, it'll be fun to see. What London is like now? I hope I don't pass out in a gay bore me too. I wasn't even drinking much. But when that happened, I can't blame it on acohol. It's those mister Peres wieners really got me. Should I be worried? Yes, you should. But like this time would be nice. 'cause I mean, I encourage everyone to travel a lot of people don't do it because of money but Jackson, I both were traveling back then with no money. However, I'm looking forward to going back and having a little bit of money because I don't want to stay in like a hostile. I was staying in hostels where they put like sixteen people to a room. Yeah. That's intense. It's it's what you gotta do when you don't have money. It's how you travel, but I would much prefer just to be in a room with you. And I agreed and like and usually you're sharing it's like a dorm like share a hall bathroom, and there was always like a really long line for the women's bathroom. And I once again, I'm telling this ice snuck into the men's bathroom and shower because there was like no line. There was no line. And when I was getting out suddenly there were more men in there. And I put like a towel. All over my head like ran out. And they're like wait was that that woman, which I couldn't believe I was so impressive. They thought I was woman because I'm constantly be called. Sir tools. A big day for me. But that was that's the life of when you travel a lot of people stay in hostels, which you know. That's what allows you to travel. Great. But this in London were doing enough, right? What are you excited to do on this trip? Well, I I hope I I hope I pick up a British accent permanently. Like, Madonna that's hat. We're all of sudden them. I can't even do a British accent. So I hope it happens. It's just like Hello. A madonna. I'm living in London, a satirical, XM, pretty tear. But that's how her accent was wasn't great. It's just like Hello everyone. Madonna, I've come to talk about my album. No. Yeah. That's what she's on the light. I think you're going to pick up an accent. Maybe if I do it. Probably will sound like Madonna's. We're both from Michigan. So little British accent on top of that. Michigander? I really hope we run into Meghan Markle. Oh, I assume she's just walking around. Right. Just Chilin going belly. That's right. She's gonna be due very soon. Maybe she'll have a baby shower over there. Listen, you guys. Ing Meghan Markle. Watch them in new project. I feel like she would be into the Mindy project. Yeah. Mega at works. Right. If she's watched the show, we get to the. Begging if you're listening right now, I'm sure you are sincerely fortunes of big hit over in Europe. We Jackson I would love to come to your baby shower. Hopefully, it's while we're there, and if it's not let's just have our own baby shower, have teamed Crump. Yes. Oh left to do high t. My favorite thing to do is. When I go on Heather McDonald's podcast. UC scoop. Heather will play Megan and I play Mangan's half sister who keeps wanting to hang out with million and making. So now, I'm like Megan's halfses exactly I'm like knocking on the palace doors, like can you please let me in and millions like, no. And I'm like, well, can I have a souvenir? It's like some candlestick something, but I feel like we're probably denied. But if anyone's listening right now who knows Megan tell her to come to my show, so theater all savor some seats. I'd rather have the Queen come. Okay. I mean, the queen's cool too. I just don't know that she would get my humor. What if Meghan brought the Queen? Yeah. I'm sure they're hanging out a lot along the queen's hardcore. Remember, you probably didn't see it. But Fred arms and used to play the Queen on Senate love, and all of a sudden he would start Cussing big hardcore. I imagine the queen's little more hardcore than we realize. She goes hunting and stuff. Have you done any research? Like, do you is there anywhere that you're hoping that we visit or food or anything? I haven't done any research, and that's very important when you travel you guys you should research a little bit. You wanna be flexible and discover things is you go, but it's nice to have a little bit of a plan and Jackson's are planner. We don't I feel like we end up in a new city. We're like we're hungry where do we go? And every time we just walk out the door and pick a place never had not ever good. Oh, I'm super. Excited to try this ice cream place that you're speaking of language already. It's called Chin-chin ice cream, and I actually discovered it because when we were in Australia, we went to this amazing Chinese restaurant called Chin-chin and on Instagram. This picture came up when we typed in Chin-chin of this hot chocolate with marshmallow like homemade marshmallows, right? Yeah. We're more. I feel like it was the smallest con where it's like marshmallow fluffer melted. They on top. It looked so amazing. So we were so excited. We'd go to this restaurant in Australia. We're asked for the dessert menu were like where's the hot chocolate? We show them the picture, and they were like that's not from here. And upon further research. I realize that Chin-jang was also the name of an ice cream place in London. And we were like garble never ever get to have a winter. We're going to London. And then this years later here we are. And I've been thinking about this ice cream. Cream and hot CHA this desert place for a couple of years, and I don't eat dairy anymore. But they have some amazing vegan ice creams there too. So I feel like we're going to end up at Chin-chin every day of our trip. I can't wait for the. I mean, I have been eating less Deary as you know, from our resolutions episode, but I still dairy. I'm not I'm not going all the way to London endured vegan ice cream. I want all the milk all the milk. Give it to me. Okay. If you go online and look at Jenkins, Instagram, all of their desserts. Look, so amazing. I cannot wait. I feel like they might even inspire an ice cream Dan's. It's been a minute. Yeah. Everyone keeps asking me when I'm going to do an ice cream dance. For those of you listening who don't know what an ice cream dances on my Instagram. I oftentimes will go eat ice cream in different cities. And it's so good that inspires me to dance. And I haven't done one minute because I haven't been any as much dairy and it's been cold. It's been really cold in a like unusually cold. And it hasn't made me wanna eat as much ice cream. But the winds of change. In the sun's coming out. London is calling London yards crowing? That's all I hate to burst your bubble. But when I looked at the weather online was raining every single day and in the fifties. But that's okay. You can eat ice cream in the rain are feel like oh, you guys what is from dance in London. So I don't know B M look out, my friend Travis wall, who is a very amazing wonderful choreographer who we know from thinking dance. He's going to be learning the same time, you guys never know. There might be a collab-. That's what we call it in the dance world, a collab- might be happening. I feel like an ice cream dance because Travis is known for contemporary dancing. So it's all very dramatic. Interpretive. I mean, an ice cream interpretive ice from dance would be beyond. Oh, I am getting so excited. It will probably require me to eat a lot of ice cream Jack practice. Yeah. For sure that's a great. I'm really looking forward to riding in the hop on hop off buses now something that Jack has discovered about me when I travel and their listeners a couple of things revealed you guys that some people might be ashamed of in their traveling experience. I have no shame. I love hop on hop off bus love them. I am like my mother in that way. We just wanna sit on the bus and just dravis just drives around the city. I don't need to stop and look at it. I just want to be like, yes, I saw it while the winds blowing him a hair and we're continuing to drive. He just have blurry pictures of Big, Ben. Everything's like got a poll and a cause I do. 'cause I knew the self and there's a railing from the bus in every picture 'cause I'm just like selfish with Big Ben or whatever in the backroom. Put. Listen hop on Hof buses, get a bad rap people. Oh, it's so touristy. But you literally see the whole city in a matter of three hours where you could just get on the London eye, and then you can see the whole city in five minute. Is that the I will is there something special about it? Like is there a bar in there? Or is it just like you're sitting it's like individual pods. Yeah. But they're bigger than a ferris wheel. I'm trying to I made. I don't remember if you drink it. Maybe that's why I don't remember changer. Yeah. I don't like rides at all. And I have a fear of heights. So I was freaking out the last time. I went to London when I had to get on the eye and once I got on. It's like very slow snot scary at all they haven't Smeal out when I'm traveling. I'll be like. Freaking out. And then I doubt it's like a three year old gets on. I'm like, oh, right. Yeah. I got this. We'll have to we'll have to check that out. I wanna go see the globe theatre Shakespeare to be all knocked to the latte. He's the question, Jack. We buy pub before we go. We can you. You're supposed to drink everywhere before you go. That's the one thing that I love and hate about London. I love that at the pubs a lot of times people are drinking out in the street, which is super fine. It reminds me of street festivals in Chicago. But the thing I don't like about London. Is that so many people drink beer, and we both aren't big beer drinkers. Yeah. A lot of times. It's warm beer. Why warm I don't know wonders British folks, what is what is that? In general. I feel like Europeans are not big on ice. And I know you don't put ice and beer, but I associate cold with ice, obviously. But I'm southern I'm a southern girl. Even though I'm a world class traveler now, I am still southern and there are certain idiosyncrasies about southerners that will never go away. Like, we love ice is that I think it's a southern thing. Every southerner I know is like a low vice Alexa, mice, please. But you don't have to ask for it in the south. They just give you tons of ice. But in Europe, they don't hardly give you any ice. I'm okay with that. Again, if I'm gonna drink a beer, I'd rather drink a cold beer, but I hate I actually hate the feeling of ice it touches your teeth when you're drinking who are you? And we don't like to use str-. Ause because of the oceans, so it's I'd rather just have a warm bridge temperature average. No, see that's another thing. I'm gonna admit to you guys that I don't have any shame with. I'm not afraid to go to McDonald's in another country because they give you is. It is a one place where you can go there like we get it you love ice in here. All the icy want. Everyone else is like here's a piece of ice. So I will go to McDonald's because listen, I'm all about traveling all about experiencing different cultures different foods, everyone should get out of their comfort zone. But after a while of being out of your comfort zone. Just like, you know, what I just wanna Big Mac and a big come is. So Jack's don't judge me? If I go to McDonald's within four days of being in London as an adult, I'm not big on going to McDonald's import countries. But when I traveled as a kid that was my favorite now looking back by poor. But my sister ninety like, please, let's get to McDonald. And we were always fascinated because in different countries. Sometimes McDonald's would carry different products. Like, you're up you could get alcohol McDonald's, and we thought that was so cool in Canada. You could get pizza McDonnell Holyhead MC flurries before they started carrying them in the states. My only problem is that they don't serve biscuits. Not like with the British people. They call cookies biscuits. I'm talking about BS gets. They don't have them for the breakfast is like, I don't know. It's the mcmuffins or whatever, but aren't need a basket. So come on. I don't know why other countries haven't caught onto our biscuits. Well, maybe on this trip. I'll do some research. So we can go to some better restaurants. Maybe you won't even want to go to McDonalds. Oh, that's a pretty tall order. All right. We'll accept that challenge. And if anyone listening. Has any suggestions on places to e or bars to go out at night? Are we going to go party when we're there? My God, you everyone thinks I'm a big party. Or will they think of stonier stone? Her of my Swinney is and my southern accent just talk slow, and they think I'm a part of your because I have known from Chelsea lately. But I'm a grandma I'm a grandma not literally grandma, but I do my shows, and then I go to bed. So maybe we'll go out, but my shows are at nine fifteen renite. That's perfect after your show time for the club guys. Should I go out in London? The last time we were in London. We went to dance club in at the end of the night. We were taking a cab back to our hotel with some ladies that we met at our hotel, and he stopped at the liquor store Tobias liquor the cabdriver, but he like winning and he had to say something. And then he comes running back to the car, and we're like what's happening, and he's it's a legal. Oh, you're not allowed to buy alcohol at this point in the night. But like, it's fine. We'll we'll be fine. So I'm like sweating like, oh my God. I did not know what's happening. I do not want to go to jail, but we got back to our hotel. And we were staying in a really nice hotel, and we popped open our alcohol, we may like a makeshift beaten cheese play, and we partied in the lobby with these other ladies the people at the reception dusk. Where super polite and nice. And I think they let us party to like four in the morning. And then they're like, well, we're actually really not supposed to have people in the lobby. Yeah. Drunker? And then I realize like, oh is this why people hate Americans where acting like it's Vegas wherein self ANSI London. People in other countries, do hey, we're China, a very bad reputation for being loud and annoying in other countries. So we were we certainly were lived up to that reputation. So I don't want knocked us down a few pay. Eggs in the eyes of other people. So I wanna behave myself in Europe 'cause already are standing with the world is in jeopardy, but we're going to be in Bassedas Jack's we're gonna bring our gala to Europe and not be loud and obnoxious. But maybe I'll go out feel Europeans are very into going out when I lived in Spain. I mean, we were going out to like seven in the morning, which is crazy. I would never do that bow Jack do not make me sales. Would we even do seven in the morning? There's nothing like walking back to your hotel as the sun's coming up. Yeah. There's out tell you something better beating your bed sleeping. That's better. Miss brunch. Closing the curtains because their sons getting in your eyes, and then waking up and Tom for brunch for sure I dunno. Yes, stay tuned. Because Jack's is trying to get me Chromebook in Europe. I mean, I haven't pulled an all nighter in a long time. But I feel like we're overdue. We have we ever had all nighter together out in the world. I mean, we have sleepovers every night, but we all nighter. I don't I don't think we have. So we have a very normal healthy relationship. Depressing really on the couch every night with her dogs. But it's beautiful. I love it. But I feel like Europe's going to bring out a whole different side of us guys. Hopefully. But I just want to encourage everybody to travel. That's kinda why we wanted to talk about this today. London inspired this podcast because I don't know. I think it's pretty easy to get in your own comfort zone. And you have a have your house in your neighborhood in your town. And I think it's important to put yourself out there and meet different people and learn different cultures expose yourself to other languages. It's challenging traveling. There are things that can go wrong, and it can be stressful. But there's something very accomplishing like you feel so accomplished at the end of the trip. Like, I did that I figured that thing out and experiences thing, and I really seen people grow significantly after they've come home from a trip. I think that is long as you keep an open mind and your flexible and just roll with it. I think that even when you have challenges that is what makes you grow. And it makes the best memories for sure you just you know, and don't let money stand in. Your way, there's really great deals. Sometimes it just acquires a little extra planning. We search on all the time for deals, and you can compare prices. But I never let money STAN because I wrote poor. And when I visited Europe when I lived in Spain it was at the height of my being poor. I just worked a lot of extra hours and save that money. I just I knew that was something that I wanted to do. So I had like travel fund that I just would put money into every day. But, you know, even if it's not going overseas somewhere like London, even if you go to another part of your state, just open your mind and get up there and travel. See the world see the US there's so many cool places in our own country. Jackson. I have the good fortune of going all over the US for my job for stand up, and there's some really great people out there. And you just gotta go out there and meet them. That's one of my tips when you're traveling to is to talk to the locals all it takes a simple conversation with a local. Oh, ask them where their favorite spots are. And that's where I feel like you can have the best adventures. Yeah. But don't be afraid to go to McDonalds. Get you some ice y'all who were super excited to come to London together. I can't wait to experience it with you. I know it's so fun doing these trips. Together, we went to Spain a your half ago together. I had not been back there since I was twenty three. So it's really cool to like go back to these spots that I spent time in when I was young with Milady and get romantic. Oh, yeah. Four super stoked to meet people at my shows so theater March fourth through night. I can't wait to get to perform for a whole different crowd. Yes. Please come in laugh. I know really I was really worried about like would anyone even come because you know, when you're comic in the US. You don't know like what of your material gets out there in the world. And what people know, and so far has been really great tickets are really selling, and I'm so happy. It's great. That's awesome. But just make sure you laugh because I don't wanna have a depressing trip with her like, no one understood my humor here. British learn what chilies is because I got a lot of chilis jokes coming. Yeah. I hope you're humor translates. Now. I think we have a special guest who wanted to talk to you guys. Hey, it's me brand. Now, I have never been to Europe. I will tell you that. So I cannot give you any advice own Europe. But I am so overdue for a vacation. But my husband team will not take any time off of work. And I am ready. I don't really wanna. Europe because I don't wanna fly over the ocean. I'm real skeptical of a plane over the ocean, but I would love to go to Myrtle Beach. 'cause you know, I got my Keeney ready summer's coming. I've been working on my beach body, and my vice is defined place. Rula that you want go visit and make your husband work extra hours. So he can take you you hear that team. Well, thank you, Brenda. That's some great advice. She's listens. A real character people really love brenda's advice. And some people think she doesn't give advice, which I don't know. She gives advice in her own way. So anyway, you guys I'm on tour come out and see a live show. There's so many good shows coming up got London. Like, I said to coma Washington is coming up in mid March Palm Springs early April. I got Saint Louis and. Kansas City in April Houston in may so many cool cities that I'm hitting up for the first time. So come out, you can check out my calendar at fortune, fiercer dot com. Ooh. In Palm Springs that shows for Dinah Shore. I bet those are going to be some all nighters strew come party with us there. Yes. A big lesson is basically a lesbian spring break. Turn up. We're going to be a whole new people after our Linda Tripp like wearing leopard-print pay. Do. I'm gonna have a leopard's leopard-print pantsuit and big sunglasses after my London trip, and I'm gonna Madonna headlight of every body. Can't I can't do. They're maybe when we die. That's all straight. Yeah. Hopefully, you'll learn when we're there. Hi, lo. Hello, everybody. I'm gonna work on accident. He goes while. I'm there. Thank you as always for tuning in. And we will see you next week by.

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Best of 2020

Monocle 24: The Menu

29:22 min | 2 months ago

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"Hello and welcome to the menu monocle on food drink and hospitality. I am articles heap in the next half and hour we recap many highlights from the past year urine monocle twenty four. We are in japan away. One shape of star sits out to make suck as the nation's favorite drink again. What does j pop have to do with the radio. Show about food and drink one member of exile. Kenji touch on has been devoting time to a project that has nothing to do with his music. He's promoting sockeye. We will also hear from the top shift. Jp mcmahon about why we so often have no clue what irish food is really all about. the recipes. were very interesting. A lot of stuff a lot of preserve stuff because there was no frigid. So i suppose it was almost like how to live because if you couldn't do these things than you were in trouble and we are in sold. Where one chef is trying to create a cooler connection between north and south korea. All that and much more ahead on this special best of edition of many you here on monocle twenty four. Today we start in tokyo japanese circus attracting fans globally but at home. Consumption of japan's national drink has been declining for decades. Not many japanese would meet to being suck drinkers however one member of public shape boy band exilees on a mission. To reach sake of it's stigma monaco's can gio reports. If you've listened to j pop four you may have heard this song songs choo choo train and it's bhai exile a popular nineteen member japanese boy band that has legions of loyal fans. So what does j pop have to do with the radio show about food and drink one member of exile kenji touch on has been devoting time to a project that has nothing to do with his music. He's promoting sockeye and specifically sake that's made by small brewers using old fashioned labor intensive methods. Japan's second consumption has been in decline for more than four decades in its home. Country socket has an image problem. Young people the kind who are crazy about exile and other j pop groups tend to associate sucky with old people and don't often drink it. Touch upon himself was not much of a soccer drinker but recently he's visited more than one hundred sake breweries and for the past two years. He's made suck it in small batches alongside. His favorite brewers mizzima kicking up damage with sunday. Mine around three years ago. I had an eye opening experience with saw kay an acquaintance with k bar in azabu juban neighborhood of tokyo that we had food pairings. That was a shock for me. It was a completely different way of enjoying k. Japanese drunk sarkhej occasionally. But not like. That's evening at the soccer ball. After that i became very interested. I saw okay unlike the mid sized and large cities barring often performing concerts japan small towns and villages away find many sankei breweries and it was through sakai that i began visiting these places to learn more about country's culture. He'll nobuko she did not at l. d. h. Kitchen is all day in tokyo. You can drink two types of soccer. That type has personally handed. Making the restaurant is run by l. d. h. the entertainment group behind exile and other j pop acts. It opened last september and serves so bought and sake and other small savory dishes it's essentially a gastro pub and its layout tables for people to stand at borrows from an old concept known as kukuchi kukudji our shops japan that sell alcohol and also let you crack. Open the bottle and have a drink before you leave. It's casual and encourage a strangers to talk to each other. There are plenty of people trying to get a younger generation of japanese interested in sakai former footballer. Heated toshinaga has organized an annual craft socket week in tokyo since two thousand sixteen. Some breweries have tapped celebrities. Omya natio- in yamaguchi prefecture has made socket in collaboration with musicians for l. williams and nego exiles touch on us. He wants to change minds about what suck it tastes like the mass produced stuff has a strong alcohol aftertaste. Which is why touchy bona. Choose a second. Who's flavors are closer to white wines. Last year he worked with so i owe matsumoto a two hundred twenty nine year old brewery in kyoto. They made a small production second from rice. Grown by the brewery and approach. That's closer to that of vineyards and winemakers out on this idea. She does a number on this box. Okay the number identifies ricefield sark as made from rice grown in fields. This number on the bottle tells you that only rice from one field was used to produce this bottle. Usually the rice per se comes from a region it's mixed together and then polished to make sock as you might know. Generally which prefecture the rice's from but not specifically where the sawai matsumoto brewery and. Kyoto grows. Its own reis in neighbouring hugo prefecture. The staff the fields where the rice is harvested in polish the rice with their own machines. They can manage the rice from failed to bottle. Similar to wind traditionally with sarkhej rice farming and sake brewing separate. That's changing sock pros out growing rice and adopting the methods of wineries that owned vineyards. And i think that's a good thing it's motivating you grow the rice. You know which saw it's being used to make which is great. The bustle of circe. Here is number five nine seven. It tells you which failed the rice for the sake came from and if you wanted to go and see the film you could failed drinking sankei there and get a sense the place where the flavors come from and that adds to the story song us get nothing and telling stories about second making is ultimately a big part of how touching on hopes to nudge j pop fans to follow his lead mumble with okon so it falls on me and others imagination to convey to young people in japan that it's not just some ordinary alcoholic drink. We have to tell the stories behind sal k. Talk about the philosophy of the breweries. The details about the place where it was made by combining stories and branding. We can change young people's minds about soccer. That's what i hope to do. I want to continue making k but also promote the enjoyment of drinking sake of having it with food of sharing it with other people. The goal is to turn more people into soccer fans. Cocteau critiques up for monocle in tokyo. I'm ken g hall and with the you monocle. Twenty four up next we meet one of ireland's finance jeff's kp mcmahon based in galway the michelin starred chefs. Culinary accomplishments include any restaurant and anne robotic cookery school as well as his. Release the irish cookbook. One of the most beautiful cookbook releases off. Twenty twenty till's the story of irish feud and how it has evolved over thousands of years showcasing the richness and variety of food from this green islands with its five hundred authentic recipes. The author jp mcmahon jones me in the studio back in march to discuss the book on how irish food is about so much more than just lamb stew and potatoes as was initially. It was a bit apprehensive because there are many many irish food cookbooks in the twentieth century. But i suppose. I found that a lot of them had been written for an irish audience or perhaps people travelling to ireland. It was important for me to try and give an international dimension and was one of the reasons why publishing with fight on made a difference because they have a global reach and it was in order to try and change the perception of irish food. I think also because we have a restaurant called a near which is will mission star restaurant. We've had it for ten years and we've been investigating irish food for ten years and i felt a lot of the things that we've been doing over. Those ten years weren't in cookbooks. And some of them are very old things like using seaweed using wild food in different ways. And i wanted i suppose that a record of that and that was the start i think the initial for doing it was a had traveled a lot to different places and taking part in chef events and i realized that are affected that we had really good produce in ireland. I'm we just weren't singing about it now. I took part in events in mexico in america and canada in europe and we were always celebrating the cuisine of a particular area. And as why are we doing this. And why aren't we kind of like saying well. We have really good food where shellfish or or whatever so. They were kind of the driving forces behind the book. Now what do you think. Ireland has been so modest about its food on its culinary legacy heritage. I think there's a certain humbleness modesty to irish people and they're probably not the best people at selling themselves like i think we're frustrated capitalists and we want to do things but at the same time we don't want to come across as being bombastic. I think that's worn element. I think the second element is the famine and the subsequent diaz before that happens. I think that impacted irish food particularly of the twentieth century and on the one hand you had people that did not have that much access to food in art and even though there was a lot of food and then the second part you had people who did have access that is food. Who were i think. Predominantly from the anglo-irish irish element and some has be would call the west brits so the people who would be associated with england and these people who had food. I think we're not considered to be irish often. This kind of tension between the tradition that it goes all the way back at least a thousand years between people on the island and people who have food and people don't have food on who we consider irish what we consider irishness tried to take a very broad perspective on it. And so when you go into the archives of the recipe books that you find are from landed gentry anglo-irish aristocracy mostly on. I think when became independent in nineteen twenty two. We kind push that assignment. But that's not really irish. You talk about going to the archives of research did you actually conducts to gather all these five hundred recipes. You having this book. Some of it was looking at best. Baseball's cookbooks from the nineteenth to twentieth century and looking through tried to pick recipes that i thought represented ireland in that respect i found stuff like say pollen is a river fish that is almost forgotten and offend a wonderful pollen recipe. I think in the nineteen seven book and interest. Enough are fishmonger had just been talking about pollen and nobody easing it and it all goes to europe and his fish from nee in northern ireland. That was one thing. I think looking ass older manuscripts was wonderful thing. Because i love history as well and looking at how people wrote recipes and how they i suppose. There was a certain assumption in recipes that the person who was reading new it already so the method was very very scant and often the recipe books were household management books. That would be passed down from mother to a daughter to a granddaughter so people could be able to cook the recipes. Were very interesting. A lot of pickles. Stuff a lot of preserve stuff because there was no frigid. So a lot of salting like i suppose. There's almost like how to live because if you couldn't do these things then you in trouble. Did you come across many recipes that had been practically forgotten already. Yeah like one or two some that we probably would not eat now. One was pickled herring. Which i thought was really interesting because i did a story and friend of mine because i thought didn't they meant herring and she was like no. That's terron lake orion and i was like wow because there's one heron galway and flies up and down and if anyone was to pick them i be in trouble but the interesting thing was that it reminded me of like an s quebec spanish dish where they cook fish or chicken and they covered in vinegar and wine solution and essentially that was the recipe and the recipe started off was like chopped the heads off one hundred hereon got and viscera them. That was the start of the recipe. And i was like wow. That's already a big mess. Some of the other things that are still useful. I think i put it in was quincy and quincy eric. Something that are not native to ireland but there was a lot in the seventeenth and eighteenth century that would preserve a lot of quences and so preserved. Quincy was what i would call mark cross again and again and again and also recipes would almonds. The irish were obsessed with amines. Which again is one of those interesting things to think about because again. Do not come from ireland. What's interesting about this bogus. That's the timescale is vase. You talk about thousands of years of irish food history. What do you think are the oldest recipes. The oldest recipe dates to sixteen eighty. And for me when you go back beyond batter before that you have to look at literature poems and different medieval texts will you get like a reference. A found a reference to like an onion and disc condiment in the middle ages. And you have to go in just gas like what was this condom. And how was it made so some of them are quite imaginative. And when you go all the way back to ten thousand years ago you have settlements in ireland. You have hunter-gatherers you have archeological remains of the meeting salmon trout. He'll choicers muscle dock and so to certain degree. Some of them are quite imaginative. Like when i put see we together and say this is representative of the first irish people. I don't have a recipe for the authors. Because there's no written word but for me. It's not a history book. There's a lot of imagination and passion in there and i thought it was important because when we take a view of food culture. We often take a very narrow view. We often go back. Maybe two or three hundred years when you think of italian food culture of french food. You're thinking in that time you're not thinking thousands of years and for me. It was very much talking to a friend of mine. Scottish chef jocks on philo who was based in adelaide and jock does a lot of stuff with aboriginal communities in australia and they have a forty thousand year legacy would know written documentation and he was saying to me. How do you assess that as food culture. And we have this of european view of just looking at it from a very very short lands and and as he says like you don't just get by for forty thousand years like that means you doing something and so pre written word. We have eight thousand years of people eating in ireland that we really have to try and reconstruct research shift. Ab mcmahon he still through the irish cookbook. North korea might be better known for its feminist than its feasts but south. Koreans are becoming more familiar with cuisine from their northern neighbour. Thanks to escape is who brought their recipes with them across the border and that's inspired at least one shift from seoul to breach the peninsula. Schooner redivide monaco's jason's throw the reports. The restaurant chin-chin is located down a short flight of steps in what is known as a half basement. It's the kind of partially subterranean layer. That's meant to be a bomb shelter. In case north korea attacks. So maybe it's fitting that cuisine from above the border is what's on the menu. Here chinchillas had chef legion. Ho is prepping with his three sous-chef ahead of the dinner hours. I ask him what he's chopping up on the cutting board. This is a spring onion. What kind of dishes would you use this in here at the restaurant reuse this spring on young for the communists for one which is which is a signature dish the noodle dish which is come from this korea bottles of north korean. Soya sauce and ginseng. Alcohol are on display in the restaurant and on a small table are four north korean cookbooks. That lee somehow got his hands on south. Koreans aren't allowed to travel to the north. And there's no trade between the two koreas. Lee gives me a tour of the kitchen dishes station. We do like mountain. And monte dumplings mondays dumpling and also do like sausage which is so. We make sunday in here and we stay leap who thirty seven trained in new zealand to cook italian french and spanish cuisine. He only learned to make south korean dishes about a decade ago and has since published a cookbook solely says when chin chin's owner approached him about creating an entirely north korean menu. He was ready for the challenge but there was just one problem. Oh actually. I had no idea what he's chris like. Because i never tried in my life i don. I didn't even know what it is. And i never seen someplace who sells north korean food every south korean familiar with at least one north korean dish nang mian noodles served in an icy broths. But that's been around for decades. Lee wanted to offer more contemporary north korean fair. So he went looking for help. From north korean refugees. There are about thirty three thousand. Who have defected to the south most within the past decade. we North korean lady a refugee. And she's how to do it when you started learning about north korean cuisine. What surprised you about. It extremely surprised because insult scoring food. We don't really make spring onion oil. Which is a day. saute the Spring on you in the oil or really low hit to make it like oil flavor spring spring onion flavor oil in south korean food. We will never do it in that way. And in south korea they use a lot of chilis in every dishes is very spicy in south korea. You can just easily find which is red. But it's quite hard to find red food in north korea and south korean food also little bit sweeter than those great food because in north korea day of really hard to find sugar because she goes really expensive in those career. Some of the items on the menu are quintessential north korean market meals. Like in joe gogi which means artificial meet its ground soybeans and rice stuffed into tofu skin. And there's a noodle dish called noma gook soo that i as well as lee had never seen in south korea is i never. I never heard before and it's really hard to make. Compared to making pasta. Pasta is a flour egg yolk decided this this noodle has potato starch and flour and buckwheat in some salts like leaving associates. Will this really make hot. Make into that texture. Lee explains that in globalized. South korea north korean cuisine. Somehow seems more authentic anything's that's why his customers want to try it. South korean is changing fussed about food coach. These days like a lot of young people. They don't it much. Korean food so daylight to eat like hamburgers in places. Mexican food is big here and we love chicken fried chicken. I think we love more than anyone in the earth. Lease korean customers aren't all from the southern half of the peninsula. He tells me that. Some north korean defectors have dropped by to what north korean customers. Tell you about the food here. Oh they will really pull in those creosote day and they will try to life. The artificial meat artificial meat. It's kind of ironic. That a north korean has to come all the way to south korea to try food from their hometown. This one can't survive on artificial meat alone to help wash that down. Chin-chin has a very well stocked fridge. You have quite a beer refrigerator here. S some selections from all around asia. So potent is among mchugh the tae dong river views. Yes but this is not for sale. Just north korean beer tastes good. Nah i never tried in my life so found really just for show. Just supposed to lee says trying. North korean beer is at the top of his list. If someday south koreans are allowed to travel above the border for monocle and soul. I'm jason structure and you're listening to the menu and monocle twenty four another top book release in twenty twenty was by william sitwell. The restaurant a history of easing else is full of amazing facts and stories recapping over two thousand years of history from dining in the ancient pompeii to latest endeavors in vegan. Food is might be used. Imagine that eating out is relatively recent thing. However william explain to me why that's not true at all when he spoke to me back in april my book begins in seventy nine. It begins on the eve of the eruption of the sylvia's which of course blanketed pompeii in ash. And frozen in time. And if you go to pompeii now you will the streets you get on the main vista you can find evidence of a very advanced hospitality seen baas taverns hotels quite a lot of brussels and and people of all classes. I mean not. Slaves admit cheek by jowl talking about the issues of the day sharing food quite a lot of takeouts. There's evidence of all of that and it is really quite remarkable how advanced dining out was during the reminisce empire and it really lives and breathes on the streets of pompeii so the high desert eating out is not a modern phenomenon of course room was fairly advanced and it takes until the early fifteenth century. Ready for places like london to get its act together and eating away the really begins. In the united kingdom in the industrial revolution that is in the origins of what then becomes more formal eating out as we went from sort of agrarian to industrial and post industrial society. But the idea of eating out his new neither is the idea of sharing plates. You've gotta cost your mind and imagination across the ottoman empire and you can see that people have been sharing dishes sharing little most sosa food and plates and philately Hummus and all that sort of stuff quite a while now well if you look at those dining institution the say in pompeii over two thousand years ago if you look at the nature of these places. Was it very different from restaurants. We see today. Basil housing over here is that do you think the reasons for eating out have changed over hundred so even thousands of years they have in the store food was comes and goes and different trends. Current things repeat themselves and one trend happens then something completely the opposite happens. The dining scene of pompeii reflected a mentor of hospitality was almost compulsory. Empa- eating out. I suppose historically when people were traveling with something you didn't pay for people managed dinah in religious institutions. They stayed that when they were traveling. I suppose they would payback through conversation anecdates. But what's unusual about pump as people were paying to have ales wines from the slips of campania and food and there are prices on the wall menus but as i said before rome was quite advanced and the concept of the restaurant doesn't really then develop until the late eighteenth century in france similar kind of timeframe in the uk. Funnily enough one of the early great restaurants of paris was cooled let gone tavern dondra so it pays homage to an oda tavern eating house that was in london. Run by manque with john. Farley was sort of special celebrity chef at the day he had produced a cookbook and eating out became sort of more formalized at the end of the eighteenth century. Beginning of the nineteenth century tickle in paris and that was really a result of the french revolution ours. Democrats had the heads chopped off the staff. Who were very well organized. Team of people from butler's tomatoes two cooks they ran the air socratic houses like hotels. They needed work. Nate ended up getting to towns and cities like paris where they open restaurants. Then you were. They were doing. They cook good food. Then you serve and that is really where the idea of the restaurant. I suppose you can stem from the word. Restaurant comes from restorative. The things that people like antoine pavilion were offering soups and broths. And so on. So i think the restaurants that we know now we did know until relatively recently can be very much traced back to developments in europe and the nineteenth and end of the eighteenth century. But then you go to zip back to see a similar scene about two thousand years before that. You mentioned that the french revolution. We gave a boost to the restaurants in france kennedy of any other examples. East that a unique case or or. Have you seen political upheaval or revolution being reflected in the restaurants in other countries at some point to when it's interesting this point because restaurants do not exist in a vacuum then not just created because someone was opened a restaurant a restaurant and the eating out scene of a country reflects the historical narrative of the time. And you can see this. Obviously in the french revolution and in roman empire in terms of what was needed but as best as a wonderful example the end of the sixties. You go to the united states. And you've got the vietnam war you've got a lot of people who are left leaning part of what was called later reflected uncle the counter culture and alice waters. Her restaurant chez panisse. This extraordinary place. That came out of berkeley. California was completely a part of that political movement and it was a reaction against the inexorable growth of foster food that was happening. Post the second world war in the united states so restaurants by large do not operate and get created in isolation they get created because of things they get created. Sometimes in spite of things and often people see ariza in which to open a restaurant because there's opportunities either because there's nothing around. i mean the. Roux brothers started that restaurant london. The end of the nineteen sixties. Because there were no great restaurants there was a pretty dicey scene. There was some pretty poor italian restaurants. There were some good places. Run by britain places like oxford but generally speaking there was no dining scene. People brothers crazy coming over here because they thought why would you go to somebody. That's a gastronomic. Does it but that of course is exactly why they came because it was a desert because there was an opportunity so where people see opportunities either because culturally there's something lacking or indeed as a revolt against the mainstream so small little independent places created because there are so many big mainstream fast food places where these say honest waters counter culture food shape pennies william c twelve there. He's book is called the restaurant a history of easing out. And that's all for this edition of the menu for previous episode of this program. Go monaco's website soundcloud or apple podcasts. And remember to subscribe to the so that it's awesome as arrives onto your device every week. Also do check out. Our many spinoff show food neighborhoods for great recipes. This show was edited and mixed by david. Stevens and marcus. Hip be once again. We finished the program with edina zones. Recommendation here is harry. Start with golden. Thanks for listening back.

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The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-24 (368) Bronco the Real Estate Salesman

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The Great Gildersleeve 50-05-24 (368) Bronco the Real Estate Salesman

"The Crap Foods company makers of craft quality. Foods Presents Herald. Peres the Great Gildersleeve. The Great Gildersleeve is brought to you by the kraft foods. Company makers of the One and only Miracle Whip Salad dressing. Here's a salad dressing. That's. There are likely different from any other dressing. You've ever tasted not too sharp, not too bland miracle. Whip. Has Peppy goodness that million say is justice exactly right? Enjoy. Miracle Whip tomorrow, even the simplest salad. We'll bring you compliments when it's made with Miracle Whip. Well. Let's see what's doing the Great Gildersleeve out. Late last night, Marjorie and Bronco came home from their honeymoon again. Complete the little family circle. Well I'm glad they're home and hope. They liked the little apartment upstairs. They ought to give you sure fifty nine phone. Yeah, but I cramps selmer style. You're totally right, yeah! Upstairs like used to I think it's got a Murray and a turtle with Claustrophobia. Come on. Let's go work in the art. I, Thought I'd wait around on Mars, Rian Bronco came down. I didn't get a chance to talk too much last night. Know what did. All! I can say Mogae Darling. Darling. Darling Darling. Working before they will marry. You. Stopped after the honeymoon. To be on a honeymoon for years. I hope so. Are we get along? Let's see now. He might burn the rubbish Verdy Boy Look at a pretty big alright. How to start a fire by rubbing two sticks together. Oh, go ahead, my. Little, Boy Scout. Leroy you're rubbing two matches together well. Little Brother Junior Milton Berle. Pretty Damn GonNA smoke a lot. Keep going. Down a smokescreen. Blowing right across the street bridge house. In the bedroom windows open. Wonderful exact he will be. Talking all rubber tire on the fire, no! We can't help if the breeze blows smoke over their Mother Nature at work. Maybe. This wasn't a good idea. Leroy Doing it on purpose. He doesn't like you and you don't like him Leroy. It isn't that we don't like each other. We just don't get along. Surprise me. He comes over here and tries to start something. Becomes. No Leroy will stand ground. It's hours go to save. What are you up to now? Mr Bullard Good Morning Nice morning, isn't it? I? Don't know I can't say smoke. Smoke. A little smoke isn't it. Haven't you any consideration for other people? Oh, yes, I considering. That we didn't burn the rubber tire. Well having for that Gildersleeve, how in lottery of life denied Roy you neighbor well, let's see I came here. Here. I might ask you the very same thing. You just waited until the wind was right to burn rubber. Guys you dead. You keep on it as we. Know. Whether you did it on purpose or not, it was a stupid thing to do. Careful, who whom? You call stupid. I'm a public official. I'm the water commission killing us. If you with me, I'll by the water department and cut off your water. That did it leroy burn the tire? Won't you have breakfast with a donkey? Thanks, Marjorie Leroy have I can eat again. Leave something for Marjorie and Bronco. Leroy's like me. He can always eat pass the toast marge darling. Here, Darling. She, out there still. Mr Gildersleeve all the noise out in the backyard. Urkel just exchanging pleasantries will neighbor. Well what do you love birds going to do today? Why have a million things to do? UNPACK shampoo my hair so on some buttons RONCO. I'm going to work right after breakfast as past the Jam March Darling of course, dear. Brother. You going over to your father's little bookstore. START RIGHT IN BRONCO. No, Sir I'm not depending on my father. We have passed the Bacon again. Mr Gildersleeve it it. Thanks remember what I've always said. My boy I can find a place for you in our water department. Oh! Thanks Mr Geller Sleep, but I'm not sponging off you. Will you pass the eggs again, please? Well, what do you plan to do, Bronco? Anything in particular is telling you dialing. What is your plan donning? Bronco. Idaho potato potatoes. As good money for. okay. Got Big plans Mr Gildersleeve because I have the most wonderful wife in the world to support. Having marge honey. Hung. ME, wonder wonky. But how you wonderful people are gonNA live. Mr Gildersleeve I have a briefcase. And there's a real estate license. He's going to sell realestate real estate. Well. I admire your spunk Bronco but not wanting to depend on me. Oh your father. Is What I've got plenty of spunk and drive and ability and ability. But Bronco. Don't you think real estate is a little crowded Mr Gildersleeve the way I see the whole world is waiting to be sold. There's always room at the top. What are you GonNa? Sell off! Don't snipe a young man starting his career. That's all right Mr Gildersleeve nothing can stop me I'm starting to ring doorbells right after breakfast. More Bacon March there isn't anymore darling. Dialing Goodbye. Codex chilly out. A boy doesn't need a coat. He's a ball of fire. Oh Good Morning Mr Bullard I'm Bronco Thompson was to give her sleep centers. I know you've seen nervous. Lad Well. You're my first customer. I am Mr. Bullard I'm in the real estate business can list your house for sale or young man. This house is not per se. Oh! I thought I'd ask you I, I'm starting at the bottom you know. Well today Mr Buller. Try some of the other neighbors. Good idea, Ole Thomsen. Yes, sir, I just had a thought as Gildersleeve by any chance listed his house. Say Oh! No Sir I live there. Well I don't mind you. I mean. Thompson I'll give you a listing of mine if you promise to get a listing on Gildersleeve house there. Well. He answer very good. Come into my study young man. Well, let's get the water department ruling. Betsy I'm a little late this morning. Mr Eaton. Lower, you wearing a buddy poppy messy. Everybody ought to wear one this week. Now, let's get started with. How I didn't newlywed misty galaxy know fine fine. Let's get down to work. The honeymoon's over. I'm happy naturally. Let's get on the ball so happy. They're happy, especially pleased. This isn't the happiness our this is Ruggeri. Did you check water report. Well somebody has to be a fishing around here I will say to work on. My desk piled as high as it used to be. Who? I can the big power in the ad into three pounds. Happy I've got a lot of work to do it. Please close the door I. Don't want to be disturbed. Just a little time. Let's see got work from left to right. What is it now? Showing me state, Betsy. I don't WANNA salesman in my hair. Be in your hair quite a while now. Bronco else. Hi Mr Tillerson so I see well business rock. Oh great, just Dandy and I wanNA talk to you about something. To be a newlywed Mr Townsend. What Oh fine all right? Mr Killer Sleep. So happy. Mr Gildersleeve I'm so happy you're happy. Se You please close that door from the other side. A of secretary now Bronco. You wanted my advice about something. No, sir. I WANNA list. Your House for sale. My House. I have a listing blank here. Mr Gildersleeve, and if you'll just fill in a few details and sign on the dotted line. Bronco I don't want to sell my house and put the top back on your phone well, I've learned an important thing about the real estate business already. You can't sell real estate without listings. That's logical, the probably true, but why don't we start with somebody outside the family? I have I listed Mr Bullard House this morning Mr Bullard. Gave you a listing on his. Yes, sir. He said he liked to help a young man. Get started that board to show me up before my own son-in-law. Let me see is listening Bronco. Larry is in black and white. Is House isn't worth that much. Mocked up the price. He knows it won't sell. Wasn't it nice and Mr Bullard to give me the listing? Well, Bronco. He's no nicer than I am. Where's that dotted line? Hello Pete. For you I thought I'd drop it and have lunch with you on. TV I ever asked you for a free lunch. We're good friends in can. Eat a lot of free learns. Goodness. Let me see your May. I recommend that cold ceramic sandwich well. I don't know why I think I like this roast beef. If you're hungry, Mr Gildersleeve I take Salami why. In having beats. Me A, Ham Sandwich. Don't take this an army, no ham AP. Maybe. It's a little chilly. Don't you have something hot I can hate this around me. I'll take it cold. I hear. My jury brought her new husband back home last night. Yeah, they've settled down to married life. broncos going into the real estate business I now. Here's your Salami Misty. Banks. Pb Don't tell me Bronco. Drumming up business in here. We did want me to list the pharmacy for sale. That's Bronco Alright fast worker and I told him I'd have to talk it over with message baby. PB You didn't have to do that. Why didn't you just tell him? No talking over with Mrs, PVs carrying him no. I see well, I don't want to sell my house either, but I gave them a listing on it. You Yeah just to encourage the boy. Course I, put the price up kind of high. You'll never sell it. Has. A listing for me might help them. Get Out of business and. Mr Lamb Braga. All over for you. I've sold your house. Man Can. Yes. Sir, here's a cashier's check to the down. Payment would browse will. You can't sell my house. Right out from under me Kenny PD. J.. We'll return to the Great Gildersleeve very shortly. Many, famous cook will tell you that. She made her reputation by the simple trick of serving wonderful salad. Yes and you can do it to very easily in fact if you'll remember to do these three things when you make that Salad I, make that salad in advance, so it can be thoroughly chilled second this year. Your Salad Greens are drained dry and really Chris and third, and most important of all the very particular about the dressing you use or real. Salad Success Serve Miracle Whip Miracle, whip is the salad dressing. 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Margie but I had no idea he shot isn't Bronco a wonderful salesman? Salesman. He won't even tell me who bought the place by wants to remain anonymous. Besides what you care you're getting price with. The House is worth and think of the big commission broncos making. Glad for that but. What is it Leroy? Do I get from my treehouse out of this deal. Well, that wasn't included in the deal. Right beside. We may have to live in it. For the Money Bronco Getting and we can get in even larger house. Yeah, how Private Bachelor my Pets Turtle Leroy! This is a serious matter and I back out of the deal, if it was anybody else Bronco Yeah and get sued. I. Guess The buyer could take action. Why we start looking at houses I don't know, but let's not rush this thing. No, when we do, let kitchen. It's all automatic. Yes All thing automatic the kitchen. We got birdie. Don't move I. Don't nobody I don't even know who bronco sold the House to. Bronco fails. You don't even know. The natural blonde hair. Because back from his. Factor the natural failed. Yes birdie. I'm a natural born sap. This! I get out of it. I don't know my boy right now. I'm going around in circles. No to figure out how to keep the one we've got. We don't WanNA sell, please. That's our home now. I guess it'd be pretty tough living in another house. Would probably get in when you forgot the key. To push holes in the springs. Leroy, there's only one hole. It's in the service Porch Gosh I might have to go to school where the teachers wouldn't take pity on. Horse Bridge do now? That's highly probably. Doesn't like a new house. He may keep coming back like a cat a homing turtle. Most to make the trip. WORRY ABOUT WE'RE GONNA move I hope. Just find out who bought the place. Maybe you'll need Eliah rock. Judge. Leroy. The judge doesn't know anything about realistic. He was standing in. Drugs Drugstore this morning talking to Mr Bullard about real estate. Mr Bullard sure. I was sitting by the newsstand, reading the comic books and I heard judge. Hooker say real estate. Hooker is blurred attorney. By George I'm going over to hookers. Matter smell them off. My boy and there's an old casting when you smell a mouse head for the mouse hole. got a sneaking punch the judge something about this dealing I'm sure he does. Unfunded I'll get the truth out of him by to beat the old goat with his own asa fitted a bag. Areas going into his house. Is. You'll rascal sees me get into the house. or You come here. Look at them rotten. One more grab and I've got. Michael Not by the hair of your Tinny Chin Chin Go. I WanNa talk to you. Galley I'm very busy and it's time for my Kayla. Water your key lack water can wait. I want you to tell me the truth and nothing but the truth. I. Listed my house for sale with Bronco. Only as a gesture to encourage, the boy and somebody pulled a sneaky trick on me and bought you know anything about judge at the leading question. Judge were you. Were you not talking to Rumson Bullard in front of Drugstore this morning? Me See PV's drugstore answer, yes, or no judge well. I bought a package Soda mince and gave me a glass of water. You'll never out on this. Board Oh he's fine. Here judge a cashier's check a deposit on my house now. WHO purchased this check? I can't tell you don't have guy. The name is not. Have you ever seen this check before? Goodness look worse. You're supposed to be an old friend of mine you WANNA. See Me Lose my house. You WanNa. See it so right after him under my little family, Nokia less. I drew my attorney. I know but I'm Rumson Borg's attorney to he pays me. So it is bullet, who's buying my i? Didn't say that yellow. It isn't ethical for an attorney to talk about his clients affair, but it is bored. I didn't say Watson I didn't say it wasn't what you didn't say it wasn't. Wasn't, wasn't it? It was I mean it wasn't. Now. Trapped. In Coronado goat. MR bullied. Remember to have that Doorbell Change I. don't care for it was this? I, forgot to mention Gildersleeve. I bought your house. How can you them such thing? I've been waiting for an opportunity to remove you from the neighborhood guild as? You and you're burning tires. How happy I'm going to be when you're God, but where will I go about Canada? You wouldn't take advantage of an old neighbor, an old friend, an old neighbor. No, an old friend know. You gildersleeve year. Excuse me I'd like to come in and look over the house. Well I can't stop you Bullard at Your House. I'll true true. Let's see room. Is this skilled name I? You know the rooms you've been in this house before. I know I like to hear you. Tell me about it. Please all neighbor have mercy on me I've been an awful pick. I understand this is national pickle week. Tell me about the rooms guilty you. Man. Thank you. Gildersleeve well. This is the living room and. was that. Nothing, miasma! I assume there are other rooms in the past we we have a kitchen well. What a pleasant surprise! From, the fumes which are constantly drifting across the street. I thought you did all your cooking over the incinerator. That I presume, is the dining room? Yes, that's dining room. You eat in there. Yes, standing up! Quite large. When you're in it, I doubt it would seem lodge when you're in Have Heart give me a chance. Call off the nothing. Doing I've waited years for this on the day you move. I'm going to sit across the street on my Verandah. Cheer each passing piece of furniture. It will be a day of song and festivity isolate. Corner with funding. Right bullied I'm licked. How did you address quite simple? Really Yeah, and used Young Thompson to talk you into listing your house for sale by giving him a listing on mine. When he came back with your listing, I gave him a cashier's check immediately. Is that how you did it. Yes, indeed, your experience to the contrary Gildersleeve. It requires brains to get along in this world well by George Bullard. I've got to happen to you. You're clamor. Quite true. I have so often said Gildersleeve. The day would come when I would have the last laugh. This is the day. I. Yeah. Bronco, oh. Mr Having been looking all over for you. VICIOUS YOUNG MEN! What is it my? I know you're. Fine. Aren't you lucky? My Heart To Sign, the listening Mr and I have a cashier's check for the department. Here it is the cashier's check. You gave me for Mr Gildersleeve he's using it as a deposit to buy your house. Own. Crap as you said Bullard. This is the Dave for the last lap. This leave will be right back. Now if you're planning a party luncheon, here's a beauty of an idea for you. Get some big red tomatoes. The Guy and you're just beginning to see in the market cut them in quarters, and arranged them pedal fashion on a bed of lettuce, then right in the center, put a generous amount of chicken salad, but not just any chicken salad I. 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Cross-Strait relations

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52:52 min | 2 years ago

Cross-Strait relations

"Taste. Today provide you with in-depth news and expert analysis ten of the who story on the bigger picture. You the news you want to know only on today. What come to today? I'm Swe the Taiwan affairs office of the state council set this week that continue efforts were ongoing to facilitate young people from Taiwan to realize their education and career dreams on the mainland. This year, another twenty mainland. Universities are set to begin accepting applications from Taiwan students making the number three hundred and thirty six in total. Meantime, Jim provinces prepare for supplying electricity and water to the came in and Matsu islands. All this came after a key policy speech by president Xi Jinping this year to commemorate the fortieth anniversary of the Chinese Milnes. Message to compatriots in Taiwan in a speech Xi Jinping proposed that mainland Taiwan conducted democratic consultation on cross-strait relations and future of the nation. He also said the principles of peaceful reunification and one country two systems are best approach to realizing. National reunification. So what's the general trajectory of the Taiwan question? How to better figure out what's happening regarding the island's political circle. And what kind of a row has the United States being playing, particularly if we consider these uncertainties surrounding the bilateral relationship between China and the United States, that's Wickham. Our panel new quality a researcher at institute of Taiwan studies with Chinese Academy of social sciences. Rick Dunham, co director of the global business journalism program at seeing while university and joys Hong TV host and current affairs commentator from Taiwan. If you want check out more episodes, you can download our podcast world news analysis. So now, let's begin our discussion it's being pictured by international media outlets that twenty nineteen this year could be any portent year regarding the Taiwan question considering the upcoming twenty twenty elections. The island, and of course, the certainties between China and the United States. So let's begin with a general question. Dr Lou how would you evaluate the current status of cross-strait ties? And where are we heading? Good evening. Well across this tree that aside space multiple challenges with the more and more intense into furious amount site and strategy conflict between the China and the US now cross-strait relations across repeat is in doubt, though, civilian communications do robbers thanks to make policies continuously. And on the other side inside the island after the year of turnover in twenty eight twenty eighteen the society and politics is forming a new dynamics contradiction in a second political liberalisation after declaration of martial law ended a new ended the new public opinion had some these huge diverge political structure that is proving the twentieth. Nineteen election. However, we so far in twenty nineteen twenty nineteen both blue and green camp seems to Insperity. Indifferent of this trend. They're still fighting against each other for the power so inside Taiwan. Is there still a kind of a mess and kale Joyce? What's your evaluation about the current status of the cross-strait ties? I think the way EP the call to skate issues has been proved failed totally in forty part. Taiwan economies. Ryan all tumbling and seems cannot find a way out. Okay. And raise imports, many, many pulled DP suppose rain this down to maybe nineteen percent and KMT's surprisingly, there's forty one percent. One also told CNN shoe with speak for eight election. And you see there's only a one very wine way to go which way. To increase the tension cross straits, and they're they're only very very few things. Nice. You can do the tension between processed road and the pork barrel. Also, she's trying very very hard to do everything that benefits the US. So she thinks that well, I can get some power some support trum the. The Trump, but the trauma traumas not person that you can trust. So people in K one is right now think that tiny one is very very unlikely that she would be elected, but KMT is not only the other player in the ground because there isn't Cohen chiller. So. If you were maybe you had to play a very very cheeky GAM that you have that you as support the DP inside power struggle and Cohen jer that it's very very powerful in popular. And also that can t if fighting in the ground. Well. Sleeves that TV is actually making Taiwan independence, really happen is the final final thing that Thailand thing. Well, I can sit on this one will maybe we elected and these these are calculating to make sure. Ceriga? What's your well? First thing I've learned tonight is we have to be careful what we say president. She hasn't Xi Jinping, and she has in the elected leader of Taiwan. But I mean, my serious take on on. This is that we are probably at the tensest point in this decade, and it has to do with bilaterally cross-straits between the government of Taiwan and the government in Beijing. It also has to do with the US involvement because ever since Donald Trump's election. There have been wildly mixed signals. And I do believe also that he does not have a serious policy regarding Taiwan. I think he sees it as a bargaining chip. I don't think he has ideologically the old view of the nationalists and Republic of China view of old conservative for public. Pins? But I do think in congress. There are a lot of pro Taiwan lawmakers, and there have been laws that have been passed that have made people in Beijing very unhappy. And so I think we really are are in an important year with the political chaos in the United States and the decline in popularity of the government in type pay. Thanks. That's milwaukee. While we're first segment and talk about the Taiwan policy. Off-day mainland government, president Xi proposed mainland and Taiwan should conduct democratic consultation on cross relations and about a future of the nation. So Joyce, how strong so far is the political will from both sides, particularly from Taiwan to conduct such kind of consultation about all the big arrangements about future. Oh, well emend trying. I think the political will is very very strong. You don't have to tell it. But in Thailand, unfortunately, I don't think that Taiwanese people are really ready to face the reality. Jellies second speech by the presidency open really actually really opens a new beginning of their way. China Lok says the Taiwan issue in the past the men Chan mentions more of Kabbalah wine, China principle, Ansett balls that United t of the China. But. Speech is a new thing. Song from the historical view, the point of the from about Taiwan's these about the war Jau and. Day that Betty touch the cold value of ninety ninety two convicted. Hold on the long bone size of the state. You don't think it's. It's the all these been go. And making up, but the second call that he that don't buy. Song but United. Did daddy. I mentioned that very little. Mentioned all the dogs. And ozo-. She offered sees Taiwan's special situation one country toothsome principal would be the way to go. Okay. How to go, and well, they said, well, come all kinds of discussions and suggestions. But and Taiwan's even when you try to discuss no one country, two big them principle Taiwan's dollar on. Well, well, you all the traitor. You have to be cooking jail, actually, Brian all they are trying to to make a new whole. That's as if anyone goes to manage onto these guys about a peace treaty of anything that well that will be traitor tracing, and you will be punished. All Taiwan's political reality that's allowed these kind of easier to really discuss of calls line TV show is one exception. And I just got just got. But when I guys I also also a warning from the governor. And I say, well, I am too pro China, and and so I should write some reports to report to the garment explain why I'm sewn crow China, but actually scenes all Taiwanese Chinese then I don't think there's any problem with pro China at all, but some these once more legal example, you can see that the Taiwan. Gym doesn't allow anybody anything that will bring the tooth size, closer and. And so I think that. Really, really good treaty. All good systems. Good principle guy. Sanofi? Taiwan can be discussed it. Right. So quality like Joyce Mansion House being received in Taiwan. So what's needed to realize this? I mean to make political Representative from both sides across the strait to sit down together and talk about those grand arrangements. I believe the Chinese all politics preservers agreed that when these discourses comes out from the high leader the mainland and such story going to solve on sandy setting. So the political will and determination folly rail under which certain goal and pants and romance will be setted, and as Donna makes resources from those public and private sectors than them today to mobilize. We can expect especially in technical birds will be initiated in their enforce people near future. But the console tation cannot be wishful thinking from only one side on the other side DVD rooting party insolvencies fiercely opposed to cross-strait notation as as well as trying to raise and coeds into dudes and organising to trying to intend to participate by Vigo election. So how clean issues and Vence negotiations with until. Has been the key problem in the peace occasionally shoes now percents. She's proposal provides a new path that is to divide the process into two stages, including those special concentration than clinical talk for the first day. J- mainland will change ideas with represent representatives from from various parties organizations than individuals from Taiwan by the social consensus, formulated, immigrations across the straits could initiate talk on institutional Zeus, analyzed arrangements after reunification. So I during this whole process one China principle that is the first step on a mental thing or the consensus with the pursuit of the patient with definitely be the major premise that. You can't expect any party with Taiwan. Independence, the property will this truthfully on this table on on this that there should be necesary mutual trust between the two sides mainland should fully delivery charity. Kindness. And seriousness to enable any empowered these talk. Thirdly, we need to formulate and defective formulates and effective and comprehensive McKenna's them of generating representatives as setting setting the gender. So rake, a choice mentioned the one country two systems principle and actually this principle was proposed to address detail one question in the first place. So what's your take on this big question? Well, I think there's a problem with the application of one country two systems, and that is that a lot of politicians and a lot of people in Taiwan have seen what has happened in Hong Kong, and they don't want to see Taiwan go down the same road. I mean, they're afraid of the lively press that there is in Taiwan. There's a lot more. Anti Beijing feeling and Taiwan than there is in Hong Kong. And I think that there's resistance there. I really think that this that we have a complex situation. That's generational. I don't think we can just solve this right now because the elected leaders have Taiwan or not ready to sit down and have discussions that president Xi Jinping is, but as a professor I see students from Taiwan coming into chinois university. I see young people from Taiwan working on the mainland finding their their future seeing themselves as part of one China. I think it will take years because I think that there is a different mentality generational Lii in in Taiwan. And I think it's a delicate situation because I think there will be a lot of resistance from a lot of politically powerful people on the island. If this moves too quickly, so choice, you mentioned the peace treaty recently. We heard coming town chairman e- suggested that homing town party would like to sign this kind of a peace treaty. If the combing town party won the next election in twenty twenty. So how do you see the pro spec of this idea? I don't really think about moving with find a peace treaty. It all we've managed trying because when mine mine Joel he promised to sign the peace treaty. We've man. Finally gave up the idea quietly. Well, the real properties. Oh was that that US column up check too? So that's the reality mind, your pomace to the people when I when I and re elected I was the PCP and then clearly judge. Just pretense that. I will I forgot this thing. The close skate miniature Taiwan has been separated too long for too long and the longer when you wait in a patient of China will be more difficult. He's funny. So. No. You see you are. And what do you believe that is a very very very deep. Call things to change for anyone seems to you have being told you having being convinced that you you are. And then when you when you grow up and somebody walking and say, well you on not flying thing you are. And that is not going to happen too. Many people these coach. Taiwan was ruled by Japan before the nineteen forty forty five. And that's being forty fifty years. Okay. That's three generation. So when came teak government Gada Taiwan in return from Japan, you you have Gaza people that in the three generations, they weren't told. And they were ruled, and they they off to behead like Japan, and how do you make them to be Chinese a theme? That is a big challenge. Okay. But. Taiwan is not Hong Kong. Taiwan is non McCall in different because since nineteen forty five pilot- has been returned to China and Coney ruled by Chinese. Okay. We are we are Chinese and Taiwan is, of course, totally. From from Hong Kong Macau. So the one country two system principal or the pet practice the Intel on totally different from the Hong Kong and Macau and Taiwan is spatial people Intel on well right now, we don't know how to to discuss the one country to them because nobody discussed because the government doesn't want to discussed. But can he is a very big power. At yet. Him tea is follower in the in market candies. Non leaders. So they don't want to take lead on the crows issues. So right now pylon is facing a no way I'll see relation because he commies down and the political space in. Is step by. We are going to no way, I'll situation and nobody wants to do anything all something about it. So right now, if Taiwan pie one knows that if we choose to get on the train the Manning's life in the twenty first century, and if pylon these people are no bad, if we don't we'll be modernized, if we choose to entice China, and Taiwan, and pens and independence strolled and pile on these people will mega very very quick decision. And find decision. So let's talk more about that. You conomy shift gear to talk about the economic exchange between a million and Taiwan. Dr lukewarm, you we we know that there were thirty one specific policies issued by the government last year to benefit Taiwan compatriots living on the mainland to what extent have those policies at bringing to to size closer and to really benefit people from Taiwan. But now, the Crossley trade is do the major motive power Polian that Taiwan sport and trait, and, but except peaceful development the other important that mainland policy in advancing cross relations the merge development in recent years, the content and the credits of merged its been expanded and instant institution. Art now men in Denver in Denver into expand. Deepens conham console merging emphasizing mentos in Petco and interests fusion, so based on these ideas in these speculations. We published the thirty bents measures and their derived covering more than ninety percent of the mailing stone. I mean the foundation of these policies. In this wasn't then this goes holidays wants to cheat. Right. So it's about like between cities and counties across the street. And we heard a more counties like from time on interested in doing so appropriately we're running of time in the first half. We can have deeper talk about these kind of economic ties across destroyed especially about exchanges and communication between cities and counties across the street. And also this week we heard from the Taiwan affairs office. They have been if confirmed that the province of Fujian is studying the possibility of providing water and electricity to in Matsu. So in the next half. We'll talk more about this kind of interconnection between the straight, particularly when it comes to the when he's come to economic cooperation at between, the two sides and also an app, offering information on the provincial policies and services across. The taiwan. Strait was soon be available in app stores as being launched by the cross-straits international exchange committee of the internet society of China users can check on the implementation of the thirty one preferential policies for Taiwan, which would just to talk about in a mainland twenty-five prevent a provincial level regions, the preferential policies issued one year ago have brought benefits to Taiwan founded companies and compatriots from Taiwan living on the mainland. Let's take a short break here. And in next a next half would touch more about cooperation and also the islands politics. And also the row of the United States in today's frustrate relations yards named today. Stay with us. You're listening to today. I'm sweet presidents should Jinping made it clear that Taiwan must and will be reunified with the mainland in a major speech earlier this year to commemorate the fortieth anniversary of the meals message to compatriots in Taiwan, the president called for joint efforts to establish institutional arrangements for peaceful development of cross-strait relations. He also stressed that. The Taiwan question is China's internal affairs and allows no external interference. So what's the general trajectory of the Taiwan question? And also how to better figure out the political circle the island, and what row has the United States being playing particularly against a backdrop of all the uncertainties between China and the United States. Our panel is Lou quantity researcher at institute of Taiwan. Studies with the Chinese Academy of social scientists rake Dunham co director of the global business journalism program at seeing. University and joys along jersey n TV host and current affairs commentators from Taiwan. If you wanna check out more episodes. You can download our podcast a world news analysis. And now, let's pick up from where we left in the first half and talk about this kind of city to city or maybe among county exchanges between the two size. So joyce. What's your expectation of this kind of are they going to be more robust in the coming years? The goal shown the mayor's highly elected by saying I want to one hundred percent of the Konami zero because in politics and was elected by thence Nate. So I mean, telling people used to really really wanting to get a better life. There's not show me the money show me the future show me that Trine and show me the platform. Oh, the Taiwan jewelry trying very very hard to separate the the straight and trying to high all the information about men in China from Taiwan's media. You see that's the Taiwan. Always say, oh, well, we Hiwa. We have the freedom the freedom of speech, but no very very difficult to find manage Haina's inflammation, and the progress in Taiwan India, but he's very very Fiji to find a anything bad about the manage trying out Kate about the the thirty one to civic majors with bingo, they is to treat Taiwanese people of men and e- co stay. And let's tell on his students talents businessmen know that if you leaving MENA China you'll be treated equally or better yet more than equal. You were have special treatment. Exam hold the student in manage Hina as almost impossible to to studying Beijing University, but a student from Taiwan is is much easier to getting to the begging liberty and have some friends from China till tell me that well been things that is is not very fair to the manager. And it is a policy of increasing and TV increases that make Taiwanese people think that I I'm getting I'm I'm increasing my power. I'm I'm having a big much bigger markets. Dhabi's very portion because is one way of giving that manage Haina give everything that talented people need and doesn't watch any anything returned from Taiwan. Standing turn turn t fourteen cross skate agreement on trade ING seventies was killed by D P. The third he wants to civic majors is this second best way and only way Beijing duty to care ball Taiwan's people and to bring the two sides closer. It's like that. Well, the China has been unite shoot. And and so they're trying the towns people can be treaties equal and Beijing, and should just do whatever you were to care about Taiwan's people. And. It doesn't me tie ones pool to do. So although time trying to make a new low to punish pile on his people trying to work together or even to stick down and talk together, we the people men in China, but you won't work because now people just want to say show me the money show me the future is show me the tree, right? So you're you're you're talking about this choice by Taiwan. College students were high school graduates to come to the mainland for university education base out your operation is this a popular choice by young people in Taiwan. Yeah. But for spend at best students, but the good students, for example, my my school. They are it's one of the best those high school in Taiwan. The student of like kind of label there were they know that best university in Taiwan is not as good as the Beijing shooting in Beijing, and she dodgy and to the best in the most men a China the thinking that sinking bad turn trifle and no known that best schools in Chinese word is in Beijing all in Shangong in Hong Kong, but the student on Botham on some students. I think that well since I'm not very connected. And I if I staying Taiwan, and I won't get into get get you the college. And after four years, I will have a lot of Fettes that I have to pay out, and I wasn't messing. Why not I what I now just go to men and trying and I can. Can go too much better university. Then I if I were staying Taiwan. So that could be the only only opportunity and only hope bore student on the bottom. So they will try their best to to go to the metro and Ryan is very very popular for high school and university students, and they tried to go to manage ceriga. How'd you see these aspects? I I see it firsthand as the global business journalism program director at ching while university, which is the top university in China. I do not think it's easier for students from Taiwan to get in than students from who John or junk sue. But I do believe the university is reaching out affirmatively acting to try to find some of the best students. I have had just outstanding journalism students from Taiwan. John undergraduate and graduate and of to me, it's it's really a part of the mix. And it's it's it's a learning experience for them to learning experience for those of us who are who are teaching and it's learning experience for mainland students to interact. So I think this is the way of the future. This is the way to integrate Taiwan into the rest of China. I don't think threats will work either direction. I think economic outreach, and I think educational and cultural outreach is the way. It's it's not the traditional political power way. But I think it's the way to smooth transition to the one country two systems. So another inquiry Applebee's. For the jumping. No, when I changed that actually amendments, you know, see, the Dr for Taiwanese students and and seeing that as on the truth in events. Examples Metairie fan post, and and if can in the part of speakers stole well after one to two pretty. Right so education. Definitely it's a very good aspect winning comes to people to people exchange across destroyed and another one related to livelihood. It's it's been confirmed this week that the gym province is studying the possibility of providing water and electricity to came in and mat-su quo. You can we expect some meaningful progress in near future? Of course, Taiwan office of the fate of council has confirmed the day before day that Putin province has completed a preliminary ordinary research project and early preparations for providing what Jalen imagine delivering per providing power to Jim in Muslim delivering water too much as Jim is ready covered. So on the other hand central government, also prominence continued to take measures to hell. To help us the interest in action construction along coastal area providing guys and building bridges with Jim in the magic to promote cross-trading degration. And that is that is for Siebel. So Joyce, what could be the challenges? I mean for this project, linking electricity and water with commended Matsu. What could hinder the projects? Well, actually seems to all feeds them can t AT team run has been actually leaving water supplies from pool. Chin chin Joel, and well, I went to change oil last last year. And I actually I saw I so how the whole thing that the waters prior hall to to put in printing cheetah, gene, gene every home gym. I I was really patched. And if you knew that this project to that people in human have wanted to drink. They have worked at is eighteen years and the worker money manager in Trento told me. That I when we worked in a ways people from men, and we try to put the project, and I my boy was only one year old. And now, my boy has married and at the moment, I the. The I I a cried. But thailand. Well, 'combis had this to happen at all. Hi, Wenjun would KYW very very hard to proven that people from people that you Mun to train the people from the the water from Gingele and finally because that last year there was election at the end of a year. So the election. Safe that water from the change all that because of the nation with things that well, I won't do something too bad. So that as my my votes won't be hurt. These here because twenty nineteen and the action is is makes you and is the the presidential election. So that strategy is politic different common. Joe? I want the common Wilson that I will make the tension higher and higher and higher and better just made pie want with just walking the on the on the lingo the wall, and I will probably that will be only way that I can win election. Be with do all the can prevent the help from Fujin at. All right. So since we're talking about elections, less shifted years and talk about politics on the island. We know late last year the war local elections TPP party suffer huge losses and tying win quit as the party head. So joyce. What can we tell from the local elections late last year about a political landscaping time one? Well, yeah. Just like like, I say I lost it because ten she wants fifteen sit. He's okay, and is Len men's lives and really Paul DVD part. So they think well. If I go like this hour just fail in two twenty. So there's only thing only way they can do to copy the chair shaping being. I mean t-, and and for us remember that before the election there in trail the end John by thirty percent by by poll, and they're in what he is. There were there was a staging to budge scheme. Okay. So everything has been just one day twenty four hours before the vote and then. To a magically change the vote and in Wong won't. Do know that many change ins people are right now working closely with Thailand and Taiwan government. And there's no other way no other way to win because Taiwan by by polling is always trip telling everyone except. Doing so. Right now telling high. Many many money men in many ways to give people and by fiction. Well, you businessmen. You are you are the student wherever I will give you money, but she knows that he's not going to die. Enough vote. So I need maybe I just need fifty percent of the vote. Fifty of is the passion of the Taiwanese Taiwan's independence passionate wrote. I need to vote. So I had to. More by into PROST pension. And if if she does try power relations phasing raging us Amir noble, and then they'll guarantee time when relations she sees. But this you I don't think about going to happen. Supplying what's your evaluation of the current political landscaping Taiwan and talking about forming Tom party, how may the cross-strait relationship look differently? If a town parties stage, oh, come back in the twenty twenty election. This is have a question. I'm no prophet, and the which should I believe we should determine a fact before the facts before making deduction have bedded, but but I tried it's hard window. Following sumptious? There's not derived from any solid speculations that appear moody win. So I I'm not aware who will eventually represent parties around election as there will be different than the attitudes towards cross relations different candidates, though, they is very should be considered. But now inorder let's just zoom that the next Canty president-elect will be we'll represent a majority mature majority ideology of the party can on the positive side under Kim, according to experience from money administration that will be less player pretension across the strait than we can we can expect the official exchange recovered. It might be spoon might soon. Go back to the level of twenty fifteen when leaders can meet and high facial can talk directly we can expect to dial. And the tradition of upgrades having of course, they will be there will be less strain on arbitrated, ecomomic and social ties communication and does a closer relationship. More proper future can be affected Taiwan. Also, enjoy more international under the one China framework. But under Netease five, according to recent talk of the Cantey leaders like like launching it will be hard for them. To excel array location process with the mainland though. Taiwan independent will be won't get facial an endorsement because the Kennedy party because legis Chem party, absolutely absolutely worry about voters view and alleged in the legislative branch these student control by the green canned. So I believe the third one the mowing. Fortunately, as junky heads at PMT from the beginning is a pro American party. Just look. Juice idea when he's being out of office, different totally different. We know that he's the basic stent towards the cross question ties of the PMT party won't go far beyond his current belief and the interest of the USO, generally, I myself would have fair, but not excessive specially speculation on this activity of of of of the future of across retype based on current situation base out Europe's Asian how much is politics eighty one on island influencing the way is standing relations with the mainland. I think a lot and I think both the ruling party and the woman Dong of the. The ruling party through tying one is not popular. And I think she sees the way toward maintaining power to be divisive to be sharpened her rhetoric. It reminds me a lot of Donald Trump who is not popular with a majority of Americans. But he sees rallying his base as the way to stay in power. I see similarities woman tongue. I think will not want. They want to get the supporters of people who want to move forward with reate affiliation with China, but they're afraid of losing voters by being too Cromane land. So I think that they are not going to be as bold as they they might be outside of this political vacuum of, but I I to me the ruling party is going to have a hard time winning the election. The question is can the woman Dong Lu. Lucille lection that's jump to our less segment and talk about the factor of the United States. We mentioned this in our in the beginning of our show. So rick. So Rick how do we make sense of the tolerant policy of the Trump administration? It's very hard. I have been confused since day one when there was a lobbyist for Taiwan who got a call through to the president-elect, and he declared well to China, Paul one China policy was negotiable. I think right now Donald Trump is looking for leverage in a trade deal with China. And I think it could go either way of in his own mind. I don't think he has any strong attachment either to the historical agreement of one China or to the concept of the most extreme people in Taiwan of Taiwan independence. I don't think. He really cares. I think for him. It's all a bargaining chip. It's all a chance for Americans to export. Now in Washington politics. There's a different story. Taiwan spends a lot of money lobbying you've seen legislation. You've seen action of the eurocracy. If we separate US government bureaucracy from the unpredictability of Donald Trump. There have been more moves that would be seen as provocative in Beijing. The opening of new. I'm not sure even what you call it. I call it defacto embassy, but US cultural office in Taipei you've seen congress pass legislation of. And I think that probably will see other things in this congress move that might be arm store. Taiwan other things that people on the mainland. Don't like. So I don't think that US policy itself is going to make the situation and easier and as the election gets closer. I think Democrats will try to look tough running against Trump by being tough on the mainland with Taiwan. So I think that it's it's not going. This is not going to be a calming part of the political quesion over the next year. And Donald Trump is out of office democrat is in office. I think everything starts again. But I think in the next year from America, you're going to have some harsh political rhetoric both from Donald Trump and from Democrats run. Against him. Joyce. How do you see the US adamant recently? We heard Eric true Julian paid a visit to the US. So what's the US row in today's Taiwan question? Awfully you as controlled so many powered and factories in Taiwan and every politician's. No. Every politician. That is you'll she wants to do something in politics. He'll she got to get approval from the United States, actually, the ugly truth of Taiwan. Okay. That is told the United States and DP is pro United States. He is pro Japan and who approach Aina and the major party in and came team. For the two. No, none of them is pro China Kim twos. Not put up ten you just say, oh, well, we don't want to make manager angry we leave steel toe on but we don't want to make the other side angry. So. A ciampi. I can I can make friends newsmen Jennifer let. Kennedy's not poll is not PO China at all, and you has being pure late the way Taiwan. Taiwan. Ex- on leading one example, you've seen the ten and four when change any is staging the two better to event. Okay. And and dodging the vote. And the like, and and also the election, and and finally had a one by small modern US totally and John tree that well you trust me. I would guarantee that the whole event and issue would be heading to connote fairly and US or the watch too. And trust me yet. Finally, Manziel fonts that US suppose change avian, the whole thing v lection, and my and remember, I just I just say that mind your mind, your peace treaty was object by the United States and the last election. Ten t and eighteen election in Gaul shown city. The United States portion she mind that the N T mine, and how is the mice election is is unbelievable and yet failed the right talent. There's something have been Taiwan because the the whole thing that makes people seeing that, you know. The I. I think much joy sent. Fortunately, that's all the time. We have this addition of panel. That was Joyce haunches. Rick Dunham, and Lou I'm so we have a nice weekend.

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Monday 15 June

Monocle 24: The Globalist

58:42 min | 9 months ago

Monday 15 June

"You're listening to the globalist first broadcast on the fifteenth of June twenty, twenty on Monocle, twenty, four, the globalist in association with UBS. Live from London. This is the globalist with me. Tom Edwards coming up today did not. Accept Short DEMEO delivery review looser. Go active more. Two hundred twelve don't. Don't security this. NEW DEPUTY LA zone. So keep telling me not know pretty. He's preferred. You have I-. WHOVILLE. Cafes elasto on vk. We get the latest from France. As Emmanuel macron dresses, the nation outlines the next steps in its bid to emerge from the restrictions imposed in response to the pandemic plus. The morning days if you don't have the following recession resorting. To, sizing, that's going to be making. Economies and industries, the CEO of wizard tells us why he's still hoping for strong summer travel season. Despite the setbacks, the entire aviation industry has suffered to what he claims are arbitrary and uncoordinated restrictions instituted by governments around the world, speaking of travel will also be jetting to Berlin, for the latest chapter in the city's seemingly never ending airport saga. We'll speak to Charlene love grave about the works of black authors which are topping bestseller lists on both sides of the pond. And we'll welcome some of the good news stories that you might have missed Jerry. Nepal seven days. That's all ahead on the globalist live from London. The second quick look at some of the other stories. We're following today in the United States, the local coroner's office in Georgia has concluded Racial Brooks a black man shot and killed by a white police officer in Atlanta on Friday was a homicide caused by gunshot wounds to the back. Brooks's death reignited protests in Atlanta that began following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis last month, and subsequently spread nationwide then globally on the. The markets today Asian Hsieh's stumbled and oil prices slipped as fears of a second wave of corona virus infections, in Beijing and the latest underwhelming Chinese economic data, so investors heading for safe havens, and here after more than eighty days of lockdown, non essential stores in England reopened their doors today. As parts of the UK takes him tentative steps on the road to recovery. We'll have more on those stories throughout the day of course. But first, let's talk a bit more about lockdown and lockdown easing as your reopen sweeping chronicling that process and some of the leaders who've been trying to make it happen today. We're turning to Franz last night. President Emmanuel Macron gave his fourth televised address since the outbreak of covid nineteen. From economic recovery, the lifting of border restrictions, it looks like Franz could be the next European nation cautiously heading out of the woods, joining us to discuss this in more detail. Is Paris based journalist and author? Agnes Poi- A AGNES! Good morning to you. Thanks for being with US interesting. Looking at what Mr Macro had to say, he's promised a a summer unlike any other and I guess he's not wrong about that. Yes. What he announced yesterday was almost a a surprise and a good surprise for a lot of. French people because usually, it's the prime minister who? Two weeks so or ten days before the next phase of the lockdown comes to US addresses National Assembly and sets out there in very detailed. A? Great tells what's going to happen so well awfully aware and really prepared, but this was wonderful to hear that from today Actually the The borders with our neighbors at least from. Fons to it's. It, Leo or Spain or Belgium where going to be Thuillier, open transports bang also a gearing up to what they were before. So far many more trains, etc, so that does and cafes and restaurants where getting to fully reopen Paris because until this morning, Perez was unlike the rest of France it was in a orange zone and so they were quite a quite a lot of restrictions yet, and the other thing he said was that the art of living the French way was going to return a at last another thing thing that is important. Is that from next week. For the last two remaining weeks of the academic year. the return to school is not going to be. Solely on voluntary basis, because parents have always had the choice to. Let their children returned from the eleventh of May or Nores, but it was going to become compulsory so. Even though it's going to be only for two weeks. This is really a very clear signal if you'd like that. The fight against the pandemic. Of course it's not over, but. There's a first victory as he called himself a against the virus. Well, let me ask you a bit more about what specifically Macron as you said. It's interesting that he is front and center again here house his personal sort of political performance. being discussed in France, was the perception 'cause I know his personal sort of ratings were down a little bit as the French healthcare system did struggle a little bit under the the the strain of dealing with the worst moments of the of the pandemic think, this helps to kind of bring things back around we'll. We'll. People have liked to have. A as you have said, people have enjoyed hearing that from him from the man himself. Well, Look prison. Michael is not too. Much, luck figure in France. At perhaps because it's an is a centrist in Francis never heard centrist. Eliezer and that he. Never can get it right, it seems. Never left enough or never write enough, and it's been very interesting to. To see the whole pandemic. Going on in France, because relatively speaking Franz has been doing very well. Compared to other countries. eight was faced with the same problems like of P P protection equipment lack of masks because everything is manufactured in China. But it has been dealing with. It rather well and methodically. And as he said himself in his addressed televised address yesterday, lessons will be drawn There has been some problems in terms of Yawkey, and who is taking responsibility. It's regional or department says we call them in in France. Depart more or essentially. decided to in Paris. But. AP If you if you ask the French think that France has been. Doing extremely badly compared to other countries. But if you ask the world, the tell you well. Mike Auditing do so so so badly, so it's relates was the same thing in France that the French are always very demanding of their state. They expect a lot from the state and the state. shoes a few hiccups. Then it's a tragedy. Well on that point about the mall in that relationship I know he spoke a little yesterday about this person of devolution or or a decentralization. Do you think that the experience of the past few months has changed the narrative in France about exactly that balance of? Central Government and answer presidential power base, and the regions of the some interesting moves effort. Well. That's what he announced to are. We don't know yet. He said that he was asking both chambres the National Assembly, in the Senate I took come up with their strong proposals, but. and that he would come back in July two Tell us about it. But yes, that that is his intention, and that's also. He said a lesson that he wants to. Draw from the whole a pandemic at dealing with pandemic in the Nestor three months. Oh, so we'll see at the problem. That's are now. Clearly Quite obvious to to. To the people in government is that there have been too many levels of decisions. If you'd like him, they they sort of. Contradict. Each Other at during the pandemic him, hence the lack of efficiency especially in the first few weeks. Of Lockdown In terms of things that have been learned or learning processes I guess that have been sparked by this experience. What what about more if we take a further step back, I know that macron spoke a little yesterday about history, and acknowledging French and obviously if we look at the black lives, matters movement, and how people are calling for. New Assessments on public statues, and and the Public Realm, almost being reshaped as a consequence of that discussion. He restated his intention to fight racism to be a unifier, but he but he's very specific that he did he didn't want to. Tear down statues. This sort of thing I thought that was interesting. Yes. He didn't alluding names. If you like to the black lives, matter movement You didn't talk specifically about what's the had been going on unit the protest also in France. And, but he he was a he. was quite clear saying We must find racism me. He also said I Anna Niche, a completely that some people France whether it's their name more where they live. Have difficulties more difficulties than other to get a job for instance because of that or the kind of their skin, and a said he was committed to enhance you know their rights and to. Try and assess our discriminations and correct them. But he also said as you as you rightly mentioned that. He said I quote there would be no raising of names from France's history and no statute destruction. I think he's. A wants to strike a delicate balance between the fight of racism, but also. We've seen streets of tires on Saturday. the infiltration of Anti anti-racist protest by extremely extremely left, but also we heard some an anti Semitic chance and songs, which were completely unacceptable, a radical Islamists in the mess of those protests, and so you wants to be very clear You know anti-racism. As is is a great caused. But it shouldn't be a transformed into destruction movement if he'd like. Really interesting to hear from you. That was our friend, Agnes party that joining us from Paris here on the globalist. Now Aviation has been one of the hardest hit sectors during the pandemic weeping tracking, various bailouts and staff cuts by major and minor players alike adding to the pain here. At least it's been the UK government's introduction of a two week quarantine period on travelers entering Britain British. Airways along with low cost carriers. Easyjet and Ron have already announced legal action as a consequence, one of the more vocal critics of the quarantine plan has been the Wiz Seo Yosef Variety Cole, D. Measures, pointless and harsh flights soon from Britain are important for the airline, which is otherwise done pretty well in whether in the storm of the pandemic. They're pushing ahead with plant. Plant deliveries of new aircraft and open new routes, including two Dhabi soon variety spoke to monocle Danube h from just outside Budapest. It'll be running the business, not only for profit, but also for long term resilience, trying to catch up to make sure that you know it is a cyclical business. It's a cyclical industry. Become better to storm. Each Other dilation storm is coming from of course no one you would. If it would be a pandemic, it would be Nevada's but I. Don't think it was thought on the unexpected. That's something that might be happening. That would significantly affect deemed as we saw. We have been building quite a significant cash reserve. In order to create long-term Brazilian so. Eh Time and going to divide his bro. Code you know we you know the most profitable avenue euro, even lowest cost producer in a commodity business. Of course we have to do with what we had to do. Given the circumstances, so we have to adjust capacity to the new reality is under newly. Reality is not necessarily dictated by. Underlying consumer unease horse. Costume needs came down as a result of the of depend on again some scattered in the minds of beeper, but mostly a demand, but constrained by distinctions imposed by governments, unfortunately, a toward happened in a very uncoordinated they. Global, so asking that has prolonged the crisis. It has made it five more closely, Danner wise, but had been kind of looking through the Chunga. Whore period and is not only that weaver, binding down a passageway, but also be looking at ways of how would he be capacity and we need to do? In terms of Eh, taking advantage of the market, making investments into new markets with three mature over time, so we have always been having this kind of a double sewed. You know we were very rigorous. It came to taking measures. divide del also have being fatty, optimistic and upbeat monitor comes through looking at you. Market Opportunities, and here we are now asking you don't be at a turning point. In Joan, we are seeing significant capacity to lead his own. Seeing a lot of government restrictions soling way and we have started making adjustments on you equities opening your business, and you would sell attribute odd by excited, and I would I would just save more saint here that you know dependent is is true and oversee. It's unfortunate very sad. What has happened to a lot of people have affected people's lives, but I would also say the hysteria and panic Bendix to MIDAS at another Saturday shoes that might have blown out of proportion but probably. Probably, even more importantly, if you look at the following economic recession, resulting from going to Nevada sizing, that's going to be making a profound impact on economists and and industries, and this is the situation we are setting ourselves up against how to manage these business in an economic downturn, which slow to order the into, but but it's coming and and to make sure that van market consolidates van the industry. Colin predicts the wonder. stoneless players in the industry take advantage of the market for sedation process. Well. That's very interesting to hear you know your approach very measured and. It just comes down to good business planning I think, but what about in cases where there are still some unknowns, obviously, countries are opening up at a different rate. Some are still hoping to attract some tourists. We don't know if people will be confident enough to fly. Will they be able to go anywhere this summer? How do you deal with that part of the market and dealing with sort of the cash flow in the short term Google News at least from our standpoint, is that the entered Benny situation with one on hard billion euros, free cash and contemplating the birthday scenario that. Are Not able to fly a single flight. Able to fly. Single passenger was still being business in two years from now so. Via Buddy still liquidity, and the desire to. They don't need to take short-term desperate measures for survivors. I mean beyond taking measures needed based on good and prudent business practices, but you know we have a balanced view on unholy out uneasiness this business now the problem today I sink is much more around the restrictions as opposed to beepers desire to fly behalf the Clyde lot of demand sensing on our own customer database on also who data body database. Google it also motor driver related companies databases to understand what people are searching about desires. They have to travel. And I can tell you that. I think people WANNA. Go Navy move, and especially, after having been looked down for for three months I mean David a brief Rashard and David a goal to see and enjoy the sunshine, and also seeing that people who add on split families, and in all people working abroad or studying abroad day. They've to go back to that place. So there are certain traffic slows. Data emerge practically chairman of course. Rose, which we'll keep dragging like corporal traveled three. Keep dragging, notice it because of the pandemic, but his people's following recession I think Adderley travel will be software because those people that are most affected by dependent Mukisa, you're gonNA, see a mixture of the situation from consumer demand standpoint, and given a course base our updated as safety protocol, assing Vr so a lot of confidence to people that you know days, travelers should be detectives from an economic standpoint, but also from an has has a safety perspective at the respect for to save for. And what we are seeing is that we have a few countries that now we out open, eighteen sixty seventy percent of. Capacity out of cheating, but on seventy percent sector I think that's pretty good. I mean given the situation. That has been characterized by lots of these fixtures. And still you know, be able to capture over fifty percent of the pre specify traffic so I'm hopeful that the Gospel. Demand is not gonNA be the profound limitation time, but as you say, it is a bit of a mess with regard to distiction state and to be Satyam. Predictable contres act on own decision in non-coordinated. It is a very unfortunate situation from a regulatory perspective and from a planning perspective, having said that I says that June is now during tied. The are seeing the starting countries already opened getting opened coordinator. You kind of lining up board eighty start mid June or I rely, and there are some the federal contracts that are taking different courses of extra side, the UK just introduce guaranteeing and some some burglary. Countries measures out OSTEO very distinctive. It is not going to be great, but I think it's not moving to data award a and and our planning is basically a acting on an albeit scenario that will become fly slide. That was years if variety. CEO of in with multiples own Daniel Bates you can him. Inspiring stories of business tune into the entrepreneurs every Wednesday at twenty hundred London time or cash the recent episodes at Monaco dot, or wherever you get your podcast, we are going to have more news from the world of air travel right after this. UBS has over nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries. Nine hundred of the sharpest moins freshest thing in the world of finance died. Find out how we can help. You contacted us at UBS DOT COM. Indeed let's stay in the world of Asian across to Germany Berlin Tako airport was set to close today a move that was meant to be temporary, but one that many had been speculating. It would actually become permanent while the government has announced. The closure won't be happening after all confused well, let's try to what's actually going on. with Monaco's Kimberly Bradley of correspondent long-term, though resident of Berlin can great to have you with us on the program. I not the first time. We've talked about this dog Bring us up to speed with the latest. Okay. Takeover was supposed to close as you said today it was meant to be a two-month closure. With a possible permanent closure, because of the really really reduce number because of the covert situation the backstory of that is that we for the past eight years have been expecting a much bigger airport to open on the eastern side of the city. That will apparently. They're still saying this open on October thirty first this year, so the closure table was dovetailing with this. Okay this summer, because restrictions in Europe for travel or being lifted slowly, you can move between borders in. There's some flights. Being resuscitated and there is some summer travel in Europe. the capacity for this summer. Travel couldn't just be taken by Schoenfeld airport, which is our other little airport, and so Tako will stay open after all, but in a much reduced capacity also to. Conform to all the space. Regulations passengers are being asked to come to hours really and that kind of thing so for us. It's like okay, just roll with whatever they say I guess. That's the thing is. Berliners what don't really I? Think they take any story about an with with with a pinch or a huge handful of of so? It just reminds about that because we should again. This up the delays on the big new proper airport what we're, we're a decade of delays already on weighing counting. If you look at the original opening date of that airport more than a decade, but the one that came really close in two thousand twelve. There was a large grand opening party was all set up in three weeks before then. Many many errors especially in the fire safety requirements were found in the airport and they couldn't open it. It was a huge embarrassment for the Berlin mayor at the time. He stepped down close override and they've had a lot of other announced opening dates to the point where all of us just roller is at this point. And Kim reminders because this kind of thing frankly that I would expect to see happening here in the UK, it's just not very German, but it's a it's A. It's a funny kind of mix isn't a unique combination of pressures and. Management that of caused this sort of ongoing situation. I don't know how much detail you want, but I think a lot of it. There's been a lot of analysis of why that airport didn't open. It was a rushed process. The mayor wanted a lot of. cred. He wanted to be the one to open that airport. Construction companies that went bankrupt. The architect was taken off the job I mean it was A. Long long articles have been written about this and it was a number. It was a perfect storm. I guess and a lot of people since then have been trying to fix it. What I find interesting is that. One of the arguments against even opening at three people, arguing that airport shouldn't open it all and it's called Er Land Brandenburg. Because the capacity would already be too small. But the corona crisis is making it actually quite fit, so if it does open this year. It won't be too small for the the protected numbers. Fewer people are traveling them before. slightly fewer I don't know. We don't know what's happening in the fall but I think it will. If the approach opens as they say in October, it will still. Be Able to manage the passenger flow. Indeed and Kim. Let's talk a little bit more about specifically, because it's this sort of another kind of stay of execution, no, it does seem like it will should close later in the year maybe kind of November time, but just tell us a bit about because. I think lots of this system oracle were know that there are the airports you'd often has the airports you you hate, but table is kind of Berlin Zappa, isn't it? That's the one that Berlin is like. Berliners like it. I think a lot of people coming in from other countries. Don't like it. It's small scruffy looking. It doesn't have great security checkpoints because they're too narrow. We love it in Berlin because it represents in our minds I guess. It's a relic of the Cold War. It is not about shopping so any. Trip there doesn't require long run. Sprint through past shops to get to your gate. You can really take a taxi. GET, out and you're maybe ten meters from the gate It's tiny. It's circular shaped We've long outgrown it. There are a couple of terminals that have been added on, but Berliners love. It's enough, and we also have a nostalgia for what it represents I think. Just, on that point then. Do you think I guess people like to make their last symbolic flight donate through an ample. That's obviously pretty difficult. Because you know, this is not getting resolved quickly, but do you still try and plan Kim to to to go and say. Vida into to take interesting to people so charting the story on the on off closure. Some photographers we actually worked for monocle. Magazine are documenting the building right now and waiting for it to be completely empty I just look for a flight. In the summer account book it. Spent so much time in that airport and yes I want to say goodbye. but I have to wait until I know I can get on a plane. I guess that will be. That sounds sensible take. Says well I would say maybe we'll speak to. You. Know next on your world journey, but I imagine the next update from you. We'll probably another one. That's rather like this with more chaos and confusion we'll. We'll have to wait and see Kimberly. Thanks for making sense of it for us here on the globalist It's Monday morning in London. Here are some of the other stories we're following today. In the United States. The local coroner's office in Georgia has concluded Racia- Brooks, a black man shot and killed by a white police officer in Atlanta on Friday was a homicide caused by gunshot wounds to the back Brook Steph reignited protests Atlanta that began following the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis last month, and subsequently spread nationwide and then globally. On the markets today Asian shares stumbled and oil prices slipped as fears of a second wave of corona virus infections in Beijing and the latest underwhelming Chinese economic data, so investors heading for safe havens, and here after more than eighty days of lockdown, non-essential stores in England reopen their doors today as the UK take some tentative steps on the road to recovery. You're listening to the globalist. Stay tuned! Just heading towards the bottom of the hour now one pretty immediate positive response to the global black lives matter movement swept around the globe has been a dramatic recalibration off bestseller lists as people seek fresh resources to understand the debate and previously underserved, and under heard black voices gained a huge new following last week, the top ten of the Paperback Nonfiction Section of New York Times bestseller lists was filled exclusively with texts on race. Issues in America here in the UK The Sunday Times. Bestseller List Tortoise similar story with Bernardine of Hristo and renting at large becoming. Becoming the first black British authors to top their respective genre charts, and with bookshops as we. We're hearing across the country amongst the shop set to reopen. Can this momentum continue? And how does the publishing industry helped to cement these moves into really enduring change well, joining us to discuss this is the publisher show me Love Grove who dialogue books an imprint of little brown focuses on minority. Voices shine how lovely to hear from. You haven't spoken to you all through the crazy lockdown period a great voice again. Tell us so. Is this kind of bittersweet? Change its interest is doing necessarily need to sound of caution though that this only really matters if we can somehow find a way to make it lost. Hi Great to. Hear from me. I'm so I love being on the show I love talking to you. Thanks for having me You're absolutely right and thanks for pointing out. It's really bittersweet. one hand with. A radio excited by this massive change in interest, and also reason on lives people knowing that we as Black People Massa on on the other hand. It's really perplexing off the four Hundred Years Slavery of the two Hundred Years of colonialism, and then abject racism nuts followed and the stomach and structural racism only in twenty twenty. C O People Understanding that all stories and black lives are important, and not only that, but it happens a moment in which three people free. Three African American people died were much is in. America and you know that's really unacceptable. That death has has a much physically has created this moment. We'll showman talk a little bit then about your experience you've been. Long. been an advocate for you know. Some of these marginalized voices dialogue, and before and people were not from conversations that you've had here are our studios about your your interest in this part of the of the publishing game? Have you seen I. Don't know even personally a difference in the conversation that may be suggests. That it's more that it is more genuine that it's potentially enduring, and it's not just reactive. You reassured by conversations. You're already having the moment. Yeah so at the moment. Like publish on the most senior person in corporate publishing in the UK, I have a a host way. Women like John Kerry Jukka runs. It Cook Salary. Bronzes does and I love it. Kinda Gates on says obviously. Margaret Busby was the first black woman publisher in the sixties, and it just hasn't been credible legacy, and then there's people like still so I not the first In public in corporate publishing on. As, it ought to reading reading. Think she that we don't have enough. Black people who across from book selling to acquiring to agents in every area of publishing when missing on the plus side. You know if you haven't been reading, but by black office you'll in for a huge shock and I think that's why we're seeing. These rights are being propelled because it's not just that people wanted to buy like stories, also realizing how great they are, you know we as I said come from a long history of storytelling folklore African folklore. We have been telling stories and. And Mary, way for centuries I'm so now. people are beginning to see you know. The music industry wouldn't be what it was without blocks lyricism, so it's the same for us. around like stories fiction, but it's so great to see. People taking some board. Because now they've got tired. Tannen that they miss out and not really exciting to me. you mentioned a couple of the introduction here any at larger Bernardine Evaristo who is working with of course on Monaco twenty four before hitting the top sort of genre charts, and that's to celebrate but I guess exactly as you say so much more exciting than maybe some less heralded names are gonna get the the focus. They've long been been denied. Are there any particular? Authors that that you've been tracking and supporting for long time that you're like fi finally the moment in the limelight here. Yeah so obviously I have my office hush up and dialogue and you know for me. The biggest over at the moment is Bennett and books abounding off. You know we were really worried about publishing Brits Oh I was really profiting hot during a pandemic everyone else who thought the story was strong enough and with bubble to the top, but because of. The ICS around people buying stories like black people. You know I of course game to be cautious as publisher. I'm worried about how my story's receipts. The Wild, however with the combination of black lives matter but quit. She's about twins who pastas white, and one lives white lie for one lives a life of black woman, and it ebbs and flows into the most astonishing way, and now people are reading it and they're like this. Is this crowds ministerial and she's one also I'm really excited about the vanishing hawks out now rainbow. Who Mendez is another also I'm super excited about his say. He came out in April You know cried months. It's about a young black. Jehovah witness boy. He's from the country. who moved to London becomes a sex. and has this incredible life? No Jesse is a very rich character again. This is an also that. Wouldn't it be picked up by any other publisher like hangs dialers on You know pretty much on. He got great career ahead. Say Rein them note on the vanishing hall, says she was the books. unready on super excited the people to read and understand. That's interesting in sectional narratives introductory of Voices. Am Shaman, if we take a step back Glenn, look a little bit about the big picture hair oversee today is this bit of a tentative opening up in England, and even the UK is following multi-track approach Ju. Just on bookshops reopening What's your expectation so tricky question of course, but what's your expectation for how they're going to to fair because we know that Amazon an e books stealing a march, understandably of course during during lockdown. Do you think we'll sort of get back to normal? You have fears about longer term impacts, the peoples reading habits, and and they're buying habits as a publisher as well given. What's been happening in recent weeks? I think what's been really incredible is seeing but have actually been sensual symphony. You know I'm regardless of what the government say. around essential to make nation I think really trust our government and thinking about what essentially important to us as human beings. And all society and but the sales of books have shown that they are reading is an essential habits and people have been absolutely craving stories issue is is around different types of people, all society, and those who cannot afford books you know libraries, not being open is pretty challenging, and so they need a certain section of the population that are able to partake in there, but long time you know. I went into my local bookshop every day because I'm very good friends with them I. Actually bought a book from a distance. It's very. On it was an. Amazing feeling so going into a bookshop seeing bookseller tool king finding inspiration from Alba's and seeing what people are interested in thought, the really important part of the culture, but I used to the bookshelf in Berlin so I know that more than any. On It just it's so exciting I. I'm itching to get back into bookshop and to be inspired. Long show that millions of people across the country all. The Poulsen your local independent bookshelf is like Oh makes sense you know. They really struggled during this time, especially those that website. But I think that reading especially as we about to go into a major recession, it's GonNa be like a core. Of all sexual exchange with each other, so expecting single, but called more lines twelve on. The active reading sharing, but some instagram, but with the I think it's going to be amazing. Well, maybe just a final point and the risk of receding into the distance, a further step taken back. You know it's a bit of a truism I suppose about great creative movements that are born out of periods of of crisis and stress, and as you said that you know, it looks like a deep and long recession could be ahead should we be reassured by the brilliant new young writers that you're finding working with that? We'll get another. You know brilliant sort of creative explosion, a a real expression of Well, it will be. It'll be creativity that's going to be driven by. A period is very difficult and challenging economic. Are you confident that we're on the brink of that? Yeah, so I think we'll pretty interesting fees. My husband's is a military historian and cultural journalists. And when we lived in Berlin, we started plotting weather stories and narratives. In Post war environment like West they come from, so it's like. When did you know? Tell me about the cold, War and then when they stories. When do they stories come to the or when did? When was there an uprising of the Benin? Empire like who writes about that. You know what's happening in Iran, you know. How long does it take? And it generally takes about fifteen is for the stories of the time to really populate when it's really had so the next generation that tends to write. About previous generations It was basically what they had to face. Do thoughts reading really interesting, so? We didn't think we'll get the best stories until later. The children are watching. What's happening would take in because it's to rule, but now we've still got two years ago. It was really difficult. We still go to eighty to deal with you know we still got the riots? The tax Margaret Thatcher we still like a really rich history that was really that marginalizing people so I'm expecting to see books coming from. The Cold War on coming from eighty percents. It comes to the full now rather than people writing about the immediacy because we're still living so I think you need to have that distance, but an maybe here for a and anytime those races ready to write. An ethics Singing than all heights meeting publishing them excellent Mine Deloitte. Speak to you hopefully next time we speak in person. Harry Midori House so somewhere else. That'd be nice, wouldn't it? Mixed guys. That is our friend renshaw main love Grove. He runs dialogue books fascinating stuff here on the globalist markle twenty four. Let's continue now with a look at today's newspapers I'm delighted to say we're joined. By monocle senior correspondent Sophie Grove Welcome back to the show. Sophie gets speak with you as always We were talking a little bit about Messiah Macro earlier There's all sorts of stories in the French presses today we start. Reading a very interesting profile in the moaned about the bachelor for Paris, because second round of the municipal elections is coming from the twenty eighth of June. And this. Wonderful Profile. Rashida dusty Republican candidate Paris. In in the moment it starts with her cracking open magnum of champagne before noon in. In one of her campaign rounds, which is very very very very French. I didn't think you'd see any other and your with that type of event. Chin-chin at that time of day, but she's very interesting character. She's Ex Sarkozy Minister. And? She's now methodist. Seventh Hour. Of Paris and she sort of came back from no, because the Republicans a complete broken. Party when she came in onto the scene. She had hardly knew very slim pickings in the first. Just before the first round happened, and then she. Stormed ahead with and got twenty three percent, and now she's really coming to. This Oscar describes. The the elections and as A Jew between her and he. Did the current man. And, that the Third Kansas author woman. Is the Republican Mush candidate. Business WHO's coming? Coming up sort of behind the two of them, but it's very much past analogy, of these two very strong women. Both the daughters of Immigrants. Very contrasting. Personalities really going for each other and seeing a not as Quite. Interesting. I'd not very much an ideological difference that's taking each other to task on things like dirty streets, big construction, this green agenda that integrates been searing. That she's coming up with herring. Ideas, it's really interesting and I. I I absolutely loved the details of how the maximum champagne fantastic. Let's look a little bit, we. We were hearing earlier in the program so if you're bow. Schools reopening, and and the requirement is mandatory for for for certain, if those students to to to go back, and there's an interesting sort of look at you know, the younger generation at younger people is. Generosity covy on on the front of Lamont today or piece that I know what you're. Yes we'll Lamont is very much trying to focus on this yet. The young generation graduating into this crisis and looking at. How the suffering is very, this is the front pages Ramon that today and then. Some! Quite interesting profiles, picking out some young people, and how the sort of limbering for this huge challenge, but there's quite an interesting, also a piece by Claridge's on page, twenty, nine of Lemond looking at. Who will look after the parents is one that we can identify with Tet possibly, but it's it's. It's looking at really a huge economic. Challenge for. Franz when, Says officially one point. Eight million children returned to primary school, but that's out at six point seven million. That's only primary school, so it's only twenty seven percent, and this piece is looking at the parents. And how that they're that? They're dealing with this. There's an picture. Of this poem Mother's trying to tap on up with somebody literally city on her head, and then she sounds like my house. Exactly they're saying parents additive, really quite desperate this moment, their haggard. Stumbling out bushes impacts clutching scooters. texting each other in desperation. Filling dishwashers and washing Lego was the the work and. Franz gets back to work into the district, so it's actually a little bit tongue in cheek, occasionally sending this up, but saint. It's looking very seriously. This piece psychological effective under these juggles. Now, so another thing that agnes probably mentioned to us about the macro speech was steady, did touch on this idea of how France engages with its own history, its own colonial past and you know he wouldn't be advocating the wholesale removal of statuary in this sort of thing and I know there's a piece that you've picked out in Lebron on today about the the Museum of Immigration in Paris, which kind of speaks to this and. There there is this complex narrative. Isn't there around the way that Franz, as a as a national body entity engages with its colonial past. Yes I mean liberal Theon is given quite a few pages at to lean to the Museum of Immigration which is an art deco. Which is housed in the Palais, delaporte O'hare, which is actually a very stunning thousand nine hundred ninety s era. Building, which which was built for the nine hundred thirty one colonial exhibition, and the twelve thousand this moment she's. An exhibition that was sort of value rising. All things colonial! And this piece it's saying look. This is completely on. The legacy of this exhibition is unbearable for given the sort of. Mandate if this building, which is to try and get you positive narratives around immigration, and you bring this great story of immigration into the French identity, but. It the this article in Nebraska and sexually got some beautiful photos of of the frescos that adorn. This building and the the reliefs adorn the building is it's festooned with pitches? All colonial subjects in very subservient roles, holding umbrellas and Just this absolutely antiquated notion of of race. Which is this building was? Propaganda for that. There's that ideology and it really it jaws with. The the idea is that the people who work here hope to bring and unfortunately this also sort of. Their testimonials at liberal with being click over the last couple of years from people who work there saying it's the management. It's brutal isn't as in this building. So if it really really interesting stuff always wonderful to hear from you. That was Monaco's senior correspondent Sophie Grove, joining us here on the globalist or Monaco twenty-four. UPS is a global financial services firm with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people. We bring fresh, thinking and perspective to. We. Know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lasting value for all clients. It's about having the right ideas of course, but also about having one of the most accomplished systems and an unrivalled network of global experts. That's why at UBS. We pride ourselves on thinking smarter to make a real difference. Tune into the bulletin with UBS every week for the latest insights and opinions from ubs all around the world. Heading towards the top of the hour one very important appointment, we need to keep on the Monday edition of the globalist, and that's to hear some good news selected by Monaco's own and Ramallah areas. Welcome to week. Eleven of the lighter side of lockdown, a radio segment, which if it was a newspaper column would very much be dawned by journalists in question, leaning on his own byline, while making a mark exaggerated gesture depicting. Roy bemusement. It's a living anyway given that the world presently has more than enough trouble to be dealing with, we should be especially grateful for narrow escapes from further turmoil, so let's hear it for Poland and the Czech Republic who declined to plunge Europe into war off to the former invaded the latter. The incursion in question actually occurred in late May, but has only recently been revealed. The Polish troops had been dispatched to establish a border control post as part of their country's covid nineteen precautions this they did, but only check side of the admittedly wrinkly border than stakes seems to have been noticed after baffled locals found themselves turned away from their own Church by equally bewildered foreign soldiers. Poland has now withdrawn its forces and the Czech. Republic has sportingly agreed not to pursue reparations, and they further lease of life has been given to the venerable military wisdom, which holds that the most dangerous enemy is soldier. Faces is an officer with a map. At this time I would like a clip of Geeze. Please grinding in Mechanical Agony in order to denote and transition from one story to the next. because. Mostly alone on the subject, all foreign travel opportunities, which are at least partially a consequence of these strange times, exciting tidings for anyone who fancies escaping lockdown by taking an especially long budget holiday in Italy. The collaboration village of Chinky from the in the toe of the Italian boot guarantees itself covid nineteen free, though this may be a consequence of the remote settlement being increasingly people free, and that's why the mayor of Chico has announced plans to sell old houses in the town for one. Each. Strings are attached. Buyers will have to renovate dilapidated properties within threes on pain of a fine, but if you hold your nerve, you might be able to bog them down to seventy five cents. And, it is just about possible that the burgers auction cray from the are onto something as we are all forced to consider a future in which the booking return flights is more inactive. Hope the next speculation, a happy ending this week, however, for the cautionary tale of Manu Samoa Rugby Union side based in Samoa. who have recently being reunited with their families after returning from an away game, they lift for on February twenty third. Monomer had flown to Earth to play South China Tigers in the first game of the new global rapid rugby season while they were there. Samoa announced a two week quarantine on arrivals from a batch of countries including Australia. Manner made it as far as new. Zealand before Samoa closed a routes entirely, the team were confined to a dorm room in a training compound near Auckland until flights resumed, but then faced another fortnight's isolation on arrivals Samoa being as free as ching-kuei Friday and Simone authorities anxious to keep it that way. Keys to preserving squad cohesion and General Sanity were apparently keeping off the GROG and playing low stakes games of BINGO. Seven. Manama's Samoa lost to south. China incidentally fifty, twenty twenty-seven, so spare a thought, also for those enraged Numa Samoa fans who have been waiting all these long weeks at fairly low airport to pelt the returning team with tomatoes. It has been a rough few months for people, places or products with a name with any variation on the corona hit the to blameless adjective, pertaining to crown-like. A MOINA step in its reclamation was made on Wednesday. When Mexican football player, he's corona school for Porto as they sank, not Maratimo Mow in fixture in Portugal's recent resumed primarily. This hopefully provided corona with some consolation for any recent comment in replica shirt revenue, and he should also reflected. It could be worse. One thinks naturally one unfortunate European stuff full of the mid fourteenth century. His name Kevin Bubonic Plague. Monocle twenty four I'm Andrew. Thank you very much indeed. Andrew Muller your with globalist. Finally on Today's program it's time to talk retail fashion amongst other things with Monaco's own fashion editor Jamie Waters Good Morning Jamie, always good to kick off the week with you and we saw the big question Let's talk about the waters attire this morning I gather. We may need to recruit in this day of the week. Big Shut Mondays. Go you've you've got your inside working away? Yes, that's correct. Time in a you know I like to dress up for you on a Monday morning today I'm in a very big shirt I'm give us. Give us a bit more to come on. So I do like you. You know that I like oversize things, and this is my probably my moist oversized By, made the French brand is meant to be an oversized model, but then I also got in a size op Cya sort of I'm sort of feel like I'm assuming around the house. But I. Love I can't get enough of it, but you know. I'm not sure what others think. You're a home Jamie. It's fine you can do. You can do what you liked. Within reason we're. We're part of a live broadcast. Let's let's keep things decent Let's talk a little bit about an event this past weekend. I know you keeping across this sort of online event for for London Fashion Week. We've been talking a bit about how these events. Fair in the digital realm. What have you been making of it? Yes? This was this was. The possibly can would have normally been men's fashion week. Which I think to put it in context, the men's. Fashion Week has been struggling in recent seasons the physical version so it. It was a had its own hurdles. It wasn't the biggest of all. The fashion weights the men. It was kind of struggling, but is the for London is fast fashion capital at stunned digital food digital only event, so I mean I think. Basically it was this website that the Fashion Council are was apparently modelled on Netflix in some ways, and there were it was. It was kind of a pecan meeks of SUV QNA's with designers. Fumes that designers had made it home, and then. I think part of the concern with POPs weren't enough clothes on short, which same like kind of funny thing to say about a fashion week event, but when you consider the circumstances like London is a lot of young independent brands I mean they weren't. They weren't any of the big players, burberry and the UK's other be brands, a showing in September and so if it's small independent. Brown's working in lockdown on a shoestring budget and I think. There were some cool things. Unto coup videos, and one Brandon Zane, and some of the designers were interesting. But I think it depends on what you're turning to fashion week. Four and I think you're looking for newness and in new collection, and perhaps things to buy. It was slightly lacking on that front The was some designers who did interesting things. Daniel Fletcher. Who I who is great. He had a small collection on. It was available to buy now. which is a format that brands have played before? We become more common as things do. Shift more online. I think they'll be I. Think yes I. We will go back to physical runways in some form, but I think there will be an element of line on online involved and one of the things that you can do without he's have closeup part of the collection available to buy straightaway and I think we've spoken before about raging collections to time with railroad seasons, and all this sort of thing and I think that will be something happens more of. which I mean time relatively short, but let's talk about the latest demonstrative real world months for retail. We've mentioned a couple times in the show. Already known essential retailers writing today in London as England begins to to loosen its lockdown restrictions. Yeah in in a sort of a ninety second. What would you be expecting to see whether? That's the big marquee? Shops have big department store. Smaller players WH. What are the biggest challenges I guess they face. I mean I think I. Think the main challenge is making creating an environment that is appealing to shoppers and makes you want to go back while abiding by all these regulations so I mean this being voted in each run through Selfridge's. And basically the. FRANCI-. People must be on escalators. They must be eight steps apart. There's obviously a lot of signing to to have tomatoes between each person. They're limiting the number of customers that can go in the store I think it's true thousand which there was like a lot, but I'm in Egypt a big store. And, these things you know if you try on clothes, be quarantined for seventy two hours so I think the challenge with the and all that is. How do you Credit Environment Daddy Steel appealing I'm GonNa go to Selfridge's these weight because I think. If any department store control I mean they're. They're one of hugely successful. Department stores has managed to adopt in the past few years, but it will die is the main challenge. It's a big challenge. They face. I think they'll be be up for the two to meet it Do they have an extensive selection of big shots though Jamie in a word? That's the only thing I'm going for the one question. I'm asking start believing. He's not joking listeners. That's what remains Jamie is good to hear for me. Thanks for being with us on the program as ever. This is the global or Monaco Twenty Four. We have time for on today's program. Big thanks to our production team page Reynolds collateral below Danube Age to our researcher Charlie. Phil mccord as Studio Manager Christie Evans and to show editing assistance after the headlines, which I'll bring you in a moment and more music on the way and lots of talk programming, and I'll be back with the briefing in just a whisker over four hours new London time right. He'll monocle twenty four. Don't touch that dial. My Name's Tom Edwards. That is your Monday globalist. Thank you very much for listening.

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