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Mark Leibovich, NYT Magazine

The Sporting Life with Jeremy Schaap

15:51 min | 2 years ago

Mark Leibovich, NYT Magazine

"This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy chef. Mark liba vich is your times magazines, chief national correspondent. He's the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, this town about the inter workings of Washington DC. But his new book is about an entirely or maybe not. So entirely different subject. The National Football League, the title big game, the NFL and dangerous times Markley vich joins us. Now thank you for being with us, Mark. Thanks for having me Jammie good to be here. Why would someone a serious journalists such as yourself at a time when there is certainly no lack or earth things to cover in Washington, a town that you know well, dedicate so much time in energy to the subject of the National Football League? Well, you know, my bosses the times magazine wants to know that too. I think they wish they were covering politics during of the time. But no, I look. I thought that I've always had an interest in empires in places that think that they're going to go on and prosper forever. And and it is amazing that the overlap, you see when you're covering the swamp of Washington, and then you get into the National Football League and you realize that a lot of it is is very similar. You have the same big egos, a lot of big money sort of club environment that prevails in DC that that is very much alive and well in football. So I sort of thought I could take a break from politics by jumping into football for a few years, and really delving into the league now is obviously very naive to think that I could escape from politics one because leagues politics is very, very fraught, but also Donald Trump politics. It touches everything. So my world kind of collided last year we're speaking with Markley vich. The author of the new book big game the NFL in dangerous times in it really is a remarkable narrative, not just the narrative in the. Book. But the narrative now of the National Football League, the preeminent professional sports league in North America. If we'd had this conversation, let's say four years ago. Everything seemed to be looking rosy for the NFL. There was the concussion issue, but in terms of it's popularity, it was on challenged. Its TV ratings were still climbing an environment in which all other ratings are declining. There was not this intersection with politics. It was pre- Ray rice. I guess that was the fall, two thousand fourteen. And now here we are as the two thousand eighteen season gets underway in the league for all of its strengths still seems, I should say, seems to be under siege in a way like it is never been before. How did we get here? Are you know? It is interesting. Part of it is just the times. I mean, there's sort of a siege mentality, a divisive mentality, no matter where you look. But I mean, it's also worth pointing out that the indicators. League or are still pretty good. I mean, their revenue growth is pretty strong there. I mean, Carolina Panthers sold for two point, two million billion dollars last year. You know, which was a very, very high number for a franchise that I think Jerry Richardson bought for maybe one hundred seventy five million something like that. FOX just threw a ton of money at at at the league for their Thursday night game. So there's a lot there but still making kind of dollars year or whatever. He's still making a lot of money. Yeah, there's a level of resentment towards the league from a lot of different circles that you didn't see awhile back when part of it's just market by market. I mean, Roger Goodell cannot go into New England. He can go into Oakland, go to San Diego. He cannot go to Dallas. He cannot go to Baltimore. I mean, there's just a lot of places that that have been alienated from from the league office for many, many years, but also look, I mean, from a perspective of parents who are not letting their kids play football, I mean, participation rates down for years. The left has been suspicious of. Football much more so than the right and Donald Trump. Almost single-handedly has turned the NFL into this example of how America has become to still politically correct to soft. So you have the kneeling anthem protests thing is this really divided things in many, many ways. And I don't think Roger Goodell or the people who own the league are very well equipped to deal with it because I don't think they know what they're dealing with Mark Lee vich again as new book, big game, the NFL dangerous times. And that's an interesting point you make that they can't deal with because for so long for many decades, the NFL specially under the leadership of Pete Rozelle who came from the world communications or as they called it back then public relations, publicity always seem to have the answer. Why has the league struggled so mightily really for the last four years, really since the Ray rice crisis to come up with the right answers to any of these issues? Well, I mean, Roger Goodell. Has had a knack for really self inflicting a lot of damage under the league and also just turning molehills into big mountains. I mean, deflate gate is sort of a classic example of that as you know, story that you could argue with a minor equipment equipment violation, that became sort of a two year story. Now, you could also argue that the two years story was riveting. It was reality TV NFL style and its best, and you know, look, it didn't involve domestic violence or or concussions, or one of those unpleasant topics. I mean, it was a really goofy story that a lot of people were really, really passionate about, but look, I, it's just but he, I think part of it. He would say, Roger Goodell told me that he blames the times. I mean, this is social media driven phenomenon, many ways. It's also a very, very divided time politically, and people are really empowered by any number of different outlets to to be aggrieved over something and football, his sort of become a vehicle for that. And I think that that it's. Look. I mean, I think it's a time when you really do sense in the league, a lack of confidence and Roger Goodell. He's signed on for another five years at really, really big money. So you know, he doesn't have much to lose, but it's just unclear up. Anyone has any sense of where this is gonna lead. You tell us about the reporting process for this book which spanned several years. Yeah, it was. It was tricky. I mean, yeah. I mean, I, I am not a sports writer. I'm a political writer. I do not belong to this club, and my goal here was not to be, you know, I, I don't think I'll be invited anymore commissioners Christmas parties or commissioners parties, but the Super Bowl party. I mean, I went to a couple of those and I think I've probably never made it to one. I've been like thirty Super Bowls. I've never made it to the Commission's party. Where am I missing missing? Anything you should go, you go once or twice. It's a thrill. Thrilling something, but no, I think I will not not not really look just like any other Cardi and you'll do you'll do better any number of places Jeremy. No. I mean, my reporting processes are dip in and out. I mean, I wanted to sort of cover a four year narrative in the league during what? What seemed to be a very precarious period. And again, like these are the NFL has this allusion of permanence is going to be around forever that it's gonna be printing money forever. But you know, yes, it is making a ton of money right now and their TV ratings are still, you know, even though it went down last year, it's extremely stout and extremely popular. But these things turn really, really fast. And I think you know one thing about the anthem protests last year, what it did reveal is just how flat-footed the league is. When things like this happen. There was no real confidence in the leadership and even like a cohesiveness among the owners that that they can sort of keep this thing together. So it just has become very, very active. And I look, I just talking to enough people and I got to know you know everyone from Tom Brady to Roger Goodell to to Jerry Jones, Robert Kraft to. People at all levels of the game, and you sort of census at all levels and how you just don't know where this sort of golden goose is going to be in twenty years. We're speaking with Mark Lee vich about his new book, big game, the NFL in dangerous times meticulously reported book about the NFL on the edge. Now, if you wanna put it that way, what's been going on the last several years as it finds itself almost constantly under attack, and we talk on this show a lot about the existential issue for football, the existential threat, perhaps from brain trauma. And you know if there's one thing I feel like I've learned in the business over twenty five years. Nobody can see the future about anything. No, you know, we all make predictions, nobody. Nobody actually knows where it's going, but people talk about the cousin issue talk about, are we getting new situation where it's going to be like boxing, where the mainstream of American kids don't wanna get involved in the sport because it's too dangerous and it becomes regionalized or it becomes. Stratified socioeconomically. What is your reporting tell you about that crisis that is sometimes called existential for the sport, you know, into interesting for my day job. I mean, I sort of come from this from a for lack of a better term coastal elites perspective. I'm part of the mainstream media sitting here in Washington covering national politics, and we have missed some really, really big stories over the last few years. I mean, no one thought that Donald Trump could be elected president thought that it African American Senator could be elected president, two thousand eight. I mean, we're spectacularly wrong on both counts. So I'm a little bit wary of sort of sort of underestimating the level of passion that exists for football despite people, knowing at this point, there's a critical mass of research that that brain damn, you know, you're at a greater risk of of brain damage, but I mean the numbers of youth participation, arguing smaller. But I also think on the other hand, there is just no shortage of. Talent pool right now, whether you are sort of dipping into a sort of a poor demographic than you were before. I mean, the fact is that's not going to really affect the number as far as performance goes for many, many, many years. So I guess my late, my sort of big takeaway on on that is that the game will probably survive. But I also think that information is power. I think you will have people. There will probably be some drops in participation rates and yet it's unclear whether that will ever affect, you know, TV ratings or or revenues in any sort of significant way. And we're speaking with Mark Lee bitch about his new book that the NFL big game Mark. You mentioned President Trump and how that caught everyone by surprise, especially in Washington. How would the world look different right now, if if President Trump and the NFL owners or at the time before he was President, Donald Trump had been able to buy the Buffalo Bills? Well, he would say the Buffalo Bills will would have would be. Looking for their fifth consecutive Super Bowl and. There would be he would ensure that that everyone stands for the anthem tell on the line and there'd be someone else in the White House. Now, I don't know. I mean, look, that's one of the great force in the road in history that has gone a different way. It's a thought exercise, you know what? If he had gotten the bills we'd have, we'd have another president and the Buffalo Bills would he would be the league's. He would be the league's problem. I guess he's the league's problem anyway, but he'd be they'd be dealing with him as one of thirty two owners rather than the the heckler in the White House at this point. So yeah, but Donald Trump's look, don't Trump's been trying to get into this club for for four decades. I mean, he's made efforts. You know, repeatedly try to buy into the league starting Pete Rozelle. They wanted nothing to do with him. And that was true for years ago when when he was going for the bills and you know, I don't know what it says about the value system of our culture, but but the fact is the the White House has become the ultimate consolation prize. That's coveted the the club of the. Membership is how deep is the historical animus between Donald Trump in the NFL. Of course, we know the USFL is large part of that, but it goes beyond the USFL it does. I mean, Donald Trump is someone that a lot of really rich people, especially people around New York, you know, have dealt with. I mean, Donald Trump is his not been an invisible figure for, for, you know, for many, many years he's been to someone who's been around. I don't think a lot of people took him seriously mean I think you know, every single day he, you know, he is surprised. And I think a lot of surprised that he is where he is today, but no, certainly USFL and even within the US fell, he he caught a lot of blame for actually that league folding because it was him insisted that they go to the fall schedule to compete directly with the NFL and his goal owning the New Jersey generals was, was he was hoping for a merger with the NFL that would result in him being an NFL owner. Obviously, we all know what happened with the US fell, and you know, over the years, he is just try. To to by number of teams and like so many things in Trump's mythology, personal grievance grievance and sort of being in clubs or dominating clubs that would not have him as a member become sort of a an overriding narrative of everything he does. So if you look at some of the private businesses, he has gone after his president, whether it's Amazon, deaf bays, owns the Washington Post, whether it's the National Football League, which wouldn't let him in, you know, even if you go to the Comcast merger because if his resume his his animosity towards NBC, I mean, it goes one after another. And this is just sort of part of the same pattern Mark. You used the word earlier in our interview to describe the NFL as an empire without being trite here, are we talking about? I if we look at say I don't know two thousand ten, two thousand eleven as the high watermark, the apogee of dissent pyre. Where are we now? Are. The bar Burien at the gates. Are we still, you know, is there still kind of Pax Romana? Where do we stand? You know, it is interesting. I mean, there's certainly a lot more doom and a lot more nervousness within the league or not do mentally, but they're certainly nervousness. You got a sense of precariousness, you know, and people are kind of scared about the world. They're kind of they're rolling into. But again, I mean, the indicators are still pretty strong, and I think we'll probably know a lot more after the next broadcast contracts or or negotiate in the next couple of years. And also the next, you know, CBS the next collective bargaining agreement which comes up in, I think twenty twenty maybe twenty twenty one something like that. And yeah, I mean, I, I do think one of the lessons from last year's NFL players did get a window into how powerful it can be. If they decide to take measures that that they're fully believe they're within their rights to do, whether it's protesting the national anthem or doing something collectively that that I think that that can really do harm to the league. So we'll see where that goes been. You know, there's there've been terrible relations between players and and the Commissioner over the last few years. And I think that'll tell us a lot more. But again, no one knows in the meantime, most of us are probably gonna still watch the game. Mark Lee is the senior national correspondent chief national correspondent. I should say for the York Times magazine and we'll be good. And we'll be good. You know, all the other national. No, that I'm senior. That's what I said. The book is big game the NFL in dangerous times deeply report. Thank you so much for joining us here in the sporting life. Mark extra on Jeremy. I'm into it. I'm Jeremy shop and you can listen to new editions of the sporting life every Saturday and Sunday morning on ESPN radio and ESPN app beginning at six AM eastern time.

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Full Episode: Friday, April 19, 2019

Nightline

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Friday, April 19, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline. Good evening. Thank you for joining us. It was the case that shocked the nation a California couple convicted of torturing the twelve children at times shackling and starving them adjust. Now, sentencing them to prison turned in by one of their children, a desperate call to a Thorens. Here's ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt gut men. Sometimes I still have nightmares. Things that had happened such as my siblings being chained up or getting beaten when Davidson Louise's Turpin last saw their children. Some of them were in shackles today a stunning final chapter in a case that horrified the world, what some are calling a house of horrors inside a family home in southern California thirteen siblings living in deplorable conditions tortured by their own parents now at their sentencing hearing face to face with some of their children for the first time since pleading guilty to multiple counts of torture, false imprisonment. I cannot describe in words what we went through growing up cameras tilted down to protect the victim's identity. One daughter wounded but resilient cans took my whole life for me. Bit now, taking my life back their son reading aloud a message on behalf of his sister of forgiveness and grace. I just went to think them for teaching me back and faith. I hope that they never lose their faith their father David unable to cope. So we'll motion dished off his statement to his attorney and. And. Any arms? I'm sorry. On anything. His wife Louise seemingly full of regret. Everyday. I'm sorry. Everything does now those in more than ever. Outlined the two were still wick as their sentences were handed down twenty five years to life with the possibility of parole in twenty two years. Would you say the Justice has been done? I believe it has. I think that the punishment of twenty five to life is is what you get in California for first degree murder. I think that's a quivalent to what these two individuals. Did they took lives in a different way? They robbed their own children of what what they could have been. But it was the children who fought for their freedom. Teen people. Parents are Buzen babe us and my two sisters right now or chained up. This audio exclusively obtained by ABC news is our first time hearing from any of David in the weeds Chirpin children about the abuse and torture to which the parents pleaded guilty in February. And how many of your siblings are tied up? My sister's more of my brothers. How were they tied up with rope or with what kings their own they they're chained up to their bed. Authorities say was just before six AM when Turpin seventeen year old daughter swiped a deactivated. Cellphone scrambled out of her bedroom window and made that call. From homeless because the change will make complete. Leases on and and wake up at night, and they will start crying and they want to need to call somebody. Tell them voice pitched sending a decade younger than her near seventeen years, but her purpose clear, and so I wanted to call I wanted to call y'all so Yawkey helped my sister courage couldn't be understated. She risked being chained herself. If caught you're just around the corner from your house is that right? Yeah. I think I'm not sure I've never been out. I don't go out much. So I don't know anything shrieks or anything that call would be free the rest of her siblings, and lent. Her parents in jail. You've got parents that are torturing their children causing them pain causing them. Suffering over a prolonged period of time through malnourishment through physical abuse through psychological abuse, it it's it's horrific. That nine one one call shattering the image of what seemed a big happy family. David Turpin once had a steady job with aviation giant Northrop Grumman the Turpin Facebook profile, featuring family trips like this one to Disneyland. The children so often dressed in identical clothing, sometimes number. Family. Fifteen lived in a quiet suburb this community here in Paris. California's known as the crown jewel of this little town. It's kind of place where kids play out on the street on chaperone where people keep their lawns. Heidi? And manicured. We're neighbors talked to neighbors. Did you ever actually see the kids yourself side, not outside? But neighbor, Mike Clifford who works the graveyard shift says he did see something off though late at night Tamala anywhere from twelve thirty two three in the morning kids marching between those two rooms up there at twelve thirty two three clock in the morning. That's what I get home. And that's what I would see them in how long would they March back and forth. Four in single file hours at the time that children ranged in age from two to twenty nine seven of them were actually adults, but looked so much younger because of severe malnutrition to give you an example, one of the children at age twelve is. The weight of an average seven year old when deputies found the twelve siblings. What were the conditions that they encountered in that house? They're horrible conditions. Are absolutely deplorable. I it's it smelled is filthy. It's clear that some of the victims when they're chained are not being taken to the bathroom to relieve themselves. The Turpin seventeen year old daughter describing the conditions. They lived in in that nine one one call. And sometimes I wake up, and I can't breathe because puck dirty the house. These pictures show what if the Turpin Texas homes years ago, grime smeared on the stairwells human filth on the floors, scratches on the backs of doors and walls that the new owners had assumed were made by animals when went last night you had a van. I don't know go. Surgery. I think. I wish for hair their mothers neglect, the seventeen year old said was systemic. Any time of Arab. Takes care of you. I take care of myself. Bothered jets. My feet up up. We never talk. They were afraid that anything that they got was going to be taken away. Mark offer is the CEO of the corona medical regional center where the children's spent two months recovering after they were rescued his cabinet filled with mementos the siblings left behind. They seem to have had an enormous impact on the hospital on the nurses, and the doctors, and you you know, what initially started out as patients coming in through the emergency room turned into sort of a heart calling higher calling for all of this. We essentially adopted them a sunset over the years of abuse and lack of education offer says that children showed raw talent she wanted to know about horseback riding. Okay. And they took a great interest horseback riding. So I said, well, you know, because you have a picture of a horse, and I said, I do have a picture of him. So I showed her this picture on a Friday and. When I came back in Monday morning. They had created this picture a little over a year after that fateful vote goal and dramatic rescue thirteen children are doing well while the youngest for made cared for the attorney for the eldest seven says his clients are branching out. The all seven of our clients are are living more or less on their own five are living in in apartments together, close to each other. And they get together. All the time. We see each other. How many are going to college right now a five are going to college. Although the future remains uncertain for group the far different place today than they were in. Their father's Facebook pictures. It is full of possibility. They are shackled. No more for Nightline on Matt gunman in riverside, California. Our thanks to met. When we come back. Finding love on the ice for one payment would coming of age. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline. How far would you go for love for one thing? Win the edge of the earth. We follow Steve the flightless hero in new Disney film as he navigates fatherhood in fights for survival and Arctic his Nightline co anchor juju Chang. It's one of the most remote places on the planet. Antarctica, home to some of the harshest conditions and fiercest wildlife and a new Disney nature documentary takes us right there to the ends of the earth. But the star of the film might surprise you Steve. He's the klutzy Adelie penguin and underdog stumbling from adolescence into adulthood, looking for love think of it as a rom com for nature lovers. He likes long walks on the beach. Train fishing. The the Malkin collecting Ross. Steve plucked from obscurity from roughly ten million of his kind to star in the movie penguins. The film directed by powerhouse wildlife, documentarian Alastair, father Gill and Jeff Wilson. What drew you to this project initially, we worked on a number of dozen age movies, and they've all had elements of comedy in them. But we wreck in the the daily pagan was such a funny penguin that he could carry out a whole a comedy movie. I think what we were trying to get in. Steve is an imperfect penguin. We were really interested in telling a story about a first time father. But a first time father who was making mistakes like all of us fathers do narrated by Ed. Helms of the office. And the hangover fame. Look like it nerdy hill. But for this movie, he's dawning his figurative penguin suit. Flapping my fence, why am I doing this? Why am I panic and know how does he personify and bring to live his silliness and swell as the serious situations that he finds himself in from the very beginning. We really felt that had was a penguin. He'd gone his in a live. He must have been a penguin. I'm just gonna go pick up some fish. I was sitting there watching these penguins build their nests says they do. And there was this one penguin who is marching up the hill and grabbing stones and then muttering to himself as he came back, and he's getting round dropping his stone down and then going back up the slope and kind of muttering to himself again in occasionally he would fall over an occasional. He dropped his stone. And I was watching him for a couple of hours thinking this guy's doofus lie. I I this is exactly the guy that we need to kind of profile in that was the seed of Steve's character. Goodness site is is everything independent world. So you know, he he definitely tried and tried and tried again and didn't get it right for quite a long time. And yet he managed to attract Attlee. Hi, I'm Steve Steve me addle can't his. Free. Staw? Has. The funny thing about penguins when they meet each other. They just literally look at each other. It's more than just a beautiful courtship ritual. Stephen adalina use these initial moments of intimacy memorize each other's voices after this they'll be able to find one another amongst the crowds. What about the soundtrack? I mean, we're looking at REO speedwagon whitesnake average white band. There were times in the film that we we wanted to embody. What Steve would listen to if he was a human being Steve's Modell, Steve's Mo-jo? And it just felt to me. Like if you were as a not very good dad, and you're out there driving around at you'd be listening to this kind of thing on the radio just sort of felt like the right genre. Fifty eventually, Stephen Abilene. Start a family Adelie penguins mate for life with the is now gone. It's like a giant pantry full of food right at their doorstep. Just in time for any new hungry mouths that might appear. Manolete got timing. Just. Les trade places and Steve nervously steps into the role of father for the first time in his lying. He has no idea what he's doing each intimate moment. Captured with epic scale the highest resolution cameras hazardous filming that would take three years working on talks is one of the hottest places to work on the planet. And then of course, we've got to be in the right place at the right time to catch a penguin footage. And that's all about battling against the elements. Daddy's fine and coming down in huge. Exactly what we came here for the mock is trying to fill them you have to put camera people out there for days on end, we found after about six weeks. We would just individuals with two Todd. Some every six we challenging people. I understand you lost toes 'cause I was silly enough to get my feet go get very cold on on one day. And in the process of trying to get trying to get back to the base on managed to some of the cells in the in the base in my token turned into into frostbite. With penguins. Disney the parent company of ABC and Disney nature are reaching a major milestone, ten years of incredible wildlife journeys, this is young and my mind on every every films had a conservation initiative where of potential votes office in the first week goes to and in this case, we're supporting the global society in mazing sedation doing in the southern hemisphere. Looking after the eighteen different species of penguins on up on it, including Steve Pablo world blue is a marine biologist and president of the global penguin society. These movies very accurate in terms of science by this story stolen away in which they go to the motion through the story of Steve and people can perceive that it's not that easy to penguin is not finding the way and they're facing a lot of players. Adelie penguins are some of the most at risk of their species their biggest threat climate change pollution. And warming ocean. Temperatures by the end of this century, sixty percent of the population could be gone how much of an impact will the ticket sales and the money donated and the awareness that's raised help urination for every ticket sold in the open in week from the seventeenth until the twenty third part of those tickets are going to be donated for this campaigns. When you go to see the movie, you are helping Steve and all the species in planning, so you are becoming payment hero. For nightline. I'm chang. And finally tonight the little star from Columbia, South Carolina. Pulling moves that touched us all. Nothing can stop ten year old Gia Jemayel Robinson from doing what she loves the young dancer. Dazzling the world with her impressive floor routines, doing flips with the prosthetic leg and inspiring millions and now viral video born with a rare condition her left leg shorter than the other. But Gemina always smile tumbling across the yard throwing it down on the floor and living life to the fullest. Good for her. It was tennis great, Arthur ash. You said start where you are us. What you have. And do what you can. That's nightline. You can always catch full episodes on Hulu. Thanks company. America have great weekend. Are you hiring with? Indeed, you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash Nightline. That's indeed dot com slash Nightline.

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Takeout Outtake Especial: Eric Winston and Mark Leibovich

The Takeout

10:14 min | 2 years ago

Takeout Outtake Especial: Eric Winston and Mark Leibovich

"You're listening to the takeout from CBS News Radio. I major Garrett. This your Tuesday, takeout out tick specialist portion of our program on CBS San as all of it is. But it's our special segment for our podcast listeners. Your well recovered I hope from your thanksgiving for volunteers. But we're still talking about football with fantastic guests Markley vich who is the chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine, far more importantly, the author of the new book big game. I'm halfway through it fantastic. If you love the NFL, if you wanna study on its cultural impact its economic impact and a lot of great stories about people, you know, and see in the sky box every game. You watch read the book and Eric Winston who is the president third-term to your term each of the National Football League players association. Eric, and Mark it's great to have you are. There you go. Right. You're the NFL PA equivalent of Franklin Delano Roosevelt. That's a nice thing to say. So I want to talk about the NFL and socialism because it seems to me Markley a bitch. The NFL is the most gaudy American representation of socialism for billionaires imaginable. Yeah. I mean, it's g understand what I'm talking. Oh, explain. But basically what you're saying is that there are these incredibly no high numbers of billions of dollars of profits coming every year sixty percent of which comes from great broadcast companies like see CBS, and these thirty two owners all billionaires, basically, you know, while competing in some ways for revenue certainly on the field just pull all this money and share it every year, and they all get equally not rich because some people are richer than others, but they make equally tons of money every year from this large pool, mainly broadcast money and have organized the league and its draft picks and everything about the week are lifted. Absolutely. It is. Yes. No. And they treat not stomped on the week are any given. Are depleted or given less Favier adequately. Yes theory. Yes. It is built to promote parody. No dynasties teams. You know, roughly, you know, just basically getting better and getting worse at around equal amounts of time. So Eric I want because dismiss was on our show many many months ago, but I I want anyone who cares about the NFL. If you're listening to take out take a special, obviously, you do your keyed in on this topic. I want you to remind our audience. What is so vitally important to any player in the league about staying on the roster and the number of years they need to stay on the roster in order to achieve long term benefits from the NFL as negotiated by the players. Yeah. You need three credits seasons. So what does that mean? So that means that you're on the active roster for three games during the season. Okay. Right. That's fifty three number. Right. Right. Right. So if you can get fifty three on your third year, and you made four games, you know, you may three games that you got your pension, right active. Yeah. Fifty three not forty five. Okay. All right. So right. So so that number is sort of is embedded in the minds of players. Who are let's say, let's say you because we talked on the the main show Mark about if you're a fourth round draft choice if you're a fourth or fifth or sixth round draft choice. You're probably doing a lot of punt and kickoff coverage and you're trying to distinguish yourself. There is you're you're a second or third player behind the linebacker, the cornerback or whatever. And you gotta stay on that you've tally is basically tested every time. You step on the field. Right. Without a doubt. You're always it. It's not just the fourth round guy. This game is I think people like it in and drawn to it. Because you're getting you're always proven yourself. There's so little opportunity we think about only having sixteen games. You'll look at basketball eighty two games. Baseball hundred sixty two games. I've all ready to games, you have all these every other sport has so many games here. The chances are so finite. And then your time on the field is even more. Tonight that you've tried to distinguish yourself, and we always say your films, your resume your film is your resume and if you're in and you're only as good as your last game. Right. So that's what people are gonna remember. That's what people are going to see. And I've been told an Eric. I really love your praises all of this. The one of the hardest things about sticking in league is not just your talent level because the talent level is very high and you have to maintain it. But you have to maintain it under a certain and very particular kind of pressure knowing that on that sideline. While you're on the field. There are at least two guys who are instantly ready to take you take your spot at any moment without a doubt. I mean, and and operating with that pressure shares heart for some guys, right? Oh, without a doubt. I mean, I think anything especially if you went to a competitive college. It was the same way. And then coming into the league. Now, the the talent gap is even smaller, right? The difference between the fifty second fifty third guy and the tenth guy is hardly anything, right, Mark. And I both know people would like our jobs. That's true. Yeah. But we're not staring at the guy who or gal who wants our job right next to us. That's because you guys got guaranteed. No. No. But we are staring at the. Anywhere. No, it's true. That's different. That is different. I mean, it's true. Moats jobs better is not and what's more amazing than that is the guy. That's on the field is willing to help the guy. That's off the field. Get on the field. Right. It's it's really a brotherhood. It is I had a guy a tackle who has a tenure vet when I came in the league and was willing to take me under his wing knowing that there was a chance that even even though he played left and I played right? I could still inadvertently right? Move him off the roster. And that moment I've done the same thing. And that moment after a game when you see players across the field and lie hug and hold onto each other. That always kind of is a important signal to me about common respect and understanding that we could be playing on the same team. But whatever you're on the field. I'm on the field. Mad respect. Absolutely. There's such a mutual respect that goes on in those in the sport. And the other thing too is I love to watch the handshake after the hockey playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Love that. Right. Because. You like you said it's that mutual respect of two guys to professionals that fought it out as long as the clock said the fight it out, and whatever the scoreboard is. It is right and we'll regroup. But after that game, there's a level of respect that's paid to each other that you're not going to see a lot of other place. Everybody loves that tradition. Just watching. I'm surprised other sports. Just haven't just copied it because it is if you're an NHL fan of any level watch any playoff game. And you see that at the seventh or fifth exciting game. Never turn off the tee. Now if that's like on high. So we we have to get to this other part, which is the most important part. Especially the whole reason I created in the first place, which is three threshold questions. So we'll go and sequence Mark. And then Eric all time favorite movie. Most influential book in your life long driver long flight, what music John RA or lists are artists. Are you most likely to listen to? Oh, wow. Okay. Thirty one to one of your favorite movies or your all time favorite movie, book and music godfather, movie godfather to actually say goodbye to go with them. It's going to sound a little strange, but on writing well sort of a trade book by Williams inser every writer should read it once a year. Release. I say I do, but I used to and what was the third one with a music. So you're long fighter or long drive. What are you most likely? Listen to just some kind of classic girl turned into rock station. If there's some kind of your I'm on your phone or something you got something for yourself. It's it's it's all rocker sixties. Rocker nut sixties were out. But maybe like seventies eighties rock, okay. Or some kind of alternation kind of thing serious link for me, it would be no country for old men. Yeah. Love that Coen brothers. Love of just that whole the writing a few good men's also one be right there. Friday night lights for me is that seminal book growing up in Midland, Texas from Midland Odessa. Permian was arrival was sort of just that that set the stage for everything that I was trying to get to for me. And then I'm not much of a music guy. So I'll just say some soft rock, Tom, petty, except etc. Would be great. It would be horrified that he's in the software category. It would probably be a bit of a bummer. But my first job in journalism was as a police reporter in Manila, Texas. Wow. My third job was in Houston, Texas, and I went to Midland and I remember being astonished, and we're gonna go of a little bit over on this going to Odessa Permian and seeing the stadium route with a high school football team had a stadium. California. We had no stadium thousand people by the eighties. Right. That was went to see it in the it's bigger now, I have suspect and there's lots of stadium. But I the idea the concept of a stadium for a high school football team. Absolutely. All circuits. Circuits? Yeah. If and that Friday night lights thing is very real in Ohio, Florida, Texas, these enormous football states, they'll tremendous number of players who land in the league from California. But California doesn't have that sort of right? Underlying Mo-jo about stadia and like little Greek gods were creating before very is. By the way, if that stadium in Texas was in San Diego right now, we'd have an NFL. Well, the one that they have in that other place north of San Diego doesn't fill on really which is a testament to the mistake that the NFL. Made. But that things to happen to franchise. I mean, the players should have good things happen to them. But I could not agree with you, more gentlemen. Thanks so much. Take speciale. New episodes of the takeout or available Friday mornings wherever you get your podcasts. The takeout is produced by Arden foreign Kateyana crescendo and Jamie Benson CBS end production. By Alexander men layer guile and Eric SU sonnet follow us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, at takeout podcast. That's at takeout podcast and for more, visit takeout podcast dot com. The takeout is a production of CBS News Radio.

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Tuesday, October 30: Spines of Steel

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Tuesday, October 30: Spines of Steel

"It's Tuesday October thirtieth gunshot victims were streaming in Pittsburgh's Jewish hospital. But what do you do when one of them is the suspected gunman? We start here. We're hearing from people who saved lives everyone that could or mainframe him getting shot and him getting handed off us. Wow. How the community is rebuilding. As the suspect goes to court, President Trump says there should be more. Good guys with guns research, actually, discredits, it what to know about the gun debate as he makes his way to Pittsburgh. And we're week from the midterms gun control is really another one of those. We have seen surprise after October surprise. So what will actually tip the scales from ABC news? This is start here. I'm Brad milkey. It is a tree of life to all who hold fast to it. It's ways are ways of pleasantness and all its paths are piece. That is from the book of proverbs in the Tora, one of the verses that comes to mind when you look at tree of life synagogue in Pittsburgh, but when a gunman came into the lobby armed with a semiautomatic rifle and some handguns it stopped being a place of pleasantness or peace and eleven lives were lost the suspect Robert Bowers made his first court appearance yesterday in Washington. White House press secretary Sarah Sanders, condemned the attack and the antisemitism that allegedly fueled it this atrocity was a chilling act of mass murder. It was an act of hatred and above all, it was an act of evil, and as she described the president's own connection to Judaism, there was this pitch inner voice. The president is the grandfather of several Jewish grandchildren. His daughter is a Jewish American and his descendant of holy costs either's of reflection gave two questions the first from our own chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. And he basically asked regardless of a leaders feelings can his words the divided since the president said over the weekend that he could tone. Of this rhetoric. What does he mean by that? Does he have any concern at all that his words could inspire provoked? Trouble people's do awful things. Certainly the president wants then the questions gave way to accusations. And I think it would be nice if every once in a while we could focus on a few of the positive things the president has done instead of just attacking thanks so much guys have done. The president pointed a finger on Twitter saying once again media outlets are the true enemy of the people that they are fueling divisions today. The president will head to Pennsylvania himself near that tree of life synagogue and ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt gut man, he's right outside it met. You spent part of your day in court, and I want to talk about the suspect in the second. But more importantly, I think you spent your day talking to people who saved others. What did they tell you? It's interesting. They're two types of heroes that we talked to one of them was around by who's congregants were in that line of fire. Any heard the gunfire. I've never personally witnessed or heard gunfire. Something just told me that's a semi automatic weapon. He told his congregants get down there. Only twelve people in the room at the time. It was early still. So a lot of people not shown up he hustled three other congregants out, and I guess the eight others couldn't get out quickly enough. I know with the fact that. I lost those people and just lay awake at night. Wondering could have done something all eight were shot seven of them killed, but he stayed on. Even though he tried to get the other three out of the synagogue to act as the eyes and ears of nine one one dispatchers, and he stayed throughout the entire view of the event until swat teams finally rescued him. And he really thought that he was going to die. I was going to. I was going to hang up my cell phone. Mic video for my wife. In the hopes that maybe they'd find the cell phone. Another one was a medic who came in with swat teams as the gunfire was going on. How long did it last? I mean, it was fairly continuous. He helps save so people on the first floor of the synagogue, then he went upstairs and suddenly that final gunfight with the suspect broke out and dozens of rounds hundreds of rounds or going off in one of this one officers were shot multiple times both legs and arm shot in the head. They managed to save his life by throwing on turn. It gets and getting him out of there quickly from someone else removed his took his helmet off. And they carried him down the stairs. So between him getting shot and him getting handed off us, twenty seconds as amazing. These stories of heroism and selflessness. And just incredible. You know, you hear them all day, and it's not until the end of the day where they finally sink in. And it was workers at a Jewish hospital that saved the life of that wounded suspect he was wheeled into court yesterday. Matt you were there for it. What did you see from Robert Bowers? We shall a man who was physically imposing large probably about six three. Federal officials told me he weighed about three hundred pounds yet seemingly mild mannered. He had male pattern baldness blue eyes that seemed perfectly nice. He chatted with his attorneys seemed very cogent clearly conscious and aware of what was going on around him. But it it seemed the face of a man who was friendly compliant. But also completely undisturbed by the enormity of the charges that he faced that could lend him if not in prison for life. But also get them the death penalty and President Trump will now be. In Pittsburgh this afternoon, and some Jewish groups have said they do not want him there. The mayor has said he would rather not come. But that rabbi who leads that tree of life. Congregation says the president is welcome anytime. Matt thanks for being our eyes and ears there. Thanks, bro. And one of the things that really rubbed people in that community the wrong way was one of the first reactions from the president saying they should have had an armed guard was an armed guard inside the temple. They would have been able to stop him. Maybe there would have been nobody killed except for him. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun. He said is a good guy with a gun. Get yourself some more good guys with guns. But does that actually work? We've heard from leaders in Pittsburgh, we've heard how people feel about guns, but there's actual evidence out there. ABC's Meghan community has been talking to people who study gun violence. So Megan, what did you learn does this work? Well, the idea of a guy with a gun has been touted so many times, but research actually just credits it I spoke to a bunch of analysts including the co author of one of the reports by the national bureau of economic research. And I thought that this one stat that he told me it was really interesting. He looked at how cities and towns that have increased their right? Right to carry laws so laws that allow people to carry guns. And he said that over over the first ten years of having those those laws changed the incidents of violent crime has gone up by thirteen to fifteen percent. In those towns, why is that you'd imagine most people that are plying for gun permits and concealed carry permits? Like, these are not people who wanna go on and shoot people know. And I'm I'm sure that that's not the case. One of the consistent themes that analysts and experts have been talking about with this is that it's not that people are inherently more violent. But it's that you're adding guns to situations that did not previously have guns. So the chances of it getting more violent are inherent by the fact that there is a gun on the see now when there wouldn't have been before. And like a very obvious example of this right is the George Zimmerman Trayvon Martin case, Sanford seethed overnight. Thousands of demonstrators demanding the arrest the man who killed Trayvon Martin George Zimmerman that was cited in this study as well. And that's one where the guy who was on a neighborhood watch had a gun. And if he didn't have a gun, it might not have been a deadly confrontation. Well, yeah. Well, yeah, I guess the frustration is it's difficult to take down somebody with an AR fifteen without a weapon. I mean, these researchers say people do it over guardless they say for every act of heroism, you're going to see needless gun deaths. Elsewhere Meghan going to the numbers. Thank you. Thanks brown. Echinacea me laws change this week. But they could soon based on what happens in November the midterms are now exactly one week away. And I feel like a few weeks ago. Right. Brad Kavanagh was the thing we were saying which swing these elections. Then there was this caravan making its way through Mexico. Elect. Of Cavanaugh, the caravan law and order and commonsense that's what it's going to be and ABC's deputy, political director, maryalice parks told me at the time. She said, just wait. We are not done yet. There was always a potential game changer that arrives just before election day. And we saw potential one is suspected pipebombs made their way through the country's mail system. And then of course is tragedy in Pittsburgh. Maryalice parks is back with us now in maryalice. You're right guns. Are the thing that are in the spotlight right now. Do they actually swing races though, we're going to see in just a week for decades gun safety reform was thought to be too politically tricky to go into deeply it was a political third rail, and that is just not the case anymore. We've talked about a lot of ways where this midterm cycle is full of news. And I and historic trends and gun control is really another one of those first we see Democrats from red states like Georgia Jordan deserve to be shot at. Jordan didn't serve the high net way, Texas and Florida, and and then definitely blue states running on this issue making it a campaign issue. I lost my son Jordan, but I'm still his mother and saying that they want to get into office to combat gun, safety or form. My name is Lucy MacBeth, and I'm running for congress. Well, what chains though, I mean are people in red states, suddenly more receptive to gun control measures. Yes, I think that that changed the national conversation around gun safety reform changed the American people have had enough. They can't handle it anymore. There's a sense that something needs to be done. And that there are some policy prescriptions that have universal support that had bipartisan support and a real frustration. At those are being brought to the table. I think the other big thing that changed is the money and the fundraising here. Don't worry about the NRA. They're on our side. You guys half a USO frayed of the NRA. There's nothing to be afraid for a long time. Democrats felt like they were just going to get lambasted by the NRA if they went out too far on that issue. They wouldn't be able to compete on the money front, but we've seen groups like the Gabby giffords group, and Bloomberg's group really respond in kind of counter and try to make sure the Democrats feel like they have some backing and support if they go there, Dan, a lot of that money about to be spent right now in these last seven days maryalice, thanks for breaking it down. Thank you. Brad. Next up on start. Here. You thought eight hundred troops was enough. The Pentagon is sending six times that so the border. These days news comes out of Washington so fast. It can be hard to keep up. We have a supreme court nominee. Just maybe it's a taste of what will get in twenty twenty two. Why are they saying that I'm ABC news political director Rick Klein, join me along with ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl? Every week as we break down the facts and turn to Washington insiders with tough questions on the powerhouse politics podcasts. Are you going to talk to moan I'm looking forward to listen for free on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app? And back to Pittsburgh for a second. Because before he allegedly shot eleven people to death. The suspect wasn't just posting hateful rhetoric about Jews. He was also allegedly railing against a caravan of migrants, and he apparently considered these people emergencies them along with any organizations that helped refugees settle in this country desert. Painted tan military humvees in generators are being loaded onto C seventeen cargo planes to head to the border and yesterday, the Trump administration decided the situation is serious enough at the border to require troops way more than the eight hundred that had been reported earlier ABC's Elizabeth McLaughlin covers the Pentagon. She's there right now. And so what are the marching orders there while bad that we're now looking at a number of fifty two hundred active duty troops and yesterday. We heard for the first time from customs border patrol officials and DOD officials, and they're saying that this is a direct response to that caravan that is coming towards the southwestern order we continue to track a large. Group of approximately thirty five hundred travelling through southern Mexico for the stated intent Seretse US border. And not only one caravan there. Now, citing a second caravan with about three thousand migrants that they're concerned has already had some what they're saying are violent interactions with security personnel pushed past the Guatemalan security forces even more risky was on Guatemala Mexico border where it was a combination of near rioting on the bridge. They want to be ready for that. They said that this is an opportunity to harden. Our ports of entry and make sure that they have the presence on the border. Well, let me ask you then Elizabeth because I mean, these people are hundreds of miles away right there walking on foot. I is there an actual imminent threat from these people at the border that you need five thousand troops. The short answer is that this threat is not imminent like you just said, the caravan is still a hundreds if not thousands of miles away, but what we're hearing from customs border patrol and DOD is that they want to have people. In place for when they do arrive in if the threat becomes imminent. We have still big question of whether the groups watch Lee be that large when they reach the border. But Elizabeth what would these troops be doing? Otherwise, if they weren't there. Well, these are troops that are based currently in the US they are in Fort Campbell and Fort Knox in Kentucky. So it's not like they were deployed overseas. You know in Afghanistan. But Brad, this is a lot of troops. It cannot be lost among us that the number fifty two hundred it's very high. That's about the number of troops that we currently have deployed in Iraq, really about double what we have in Syria and about a third of the number of troops in Afghanistan said this is a very large number. Wow. Okay. Elizabeth mcglaughlin at the Pentagon. Thanks for filling us in. Thanks back. We talked earlier about how frustration nationalism and tone can Tilton election. Well, this week the fifth most populous country in the world made a big, right? Turn and elected. A controversial new president Jaya Bolsonaro both in our has been criticized for racist, homophobic, and misogynistic remarks and civil liberty campaign has voiced concerns how his views might shape, Brazil. And this was not the first time. This has happened outside of the US across Europe. We've seen far right candidates sweep into power again. And again, even in Germany this week left leaning Ungaro Merckel remains chancellor, but after embarrassing defeats for her party this month, she's announced that she is going to step down within the next three years. So let's hear about where one of these countries is heading, and let's go to the largest one we've got ABC's Aisha costano who's based in Rio de Janeiro. And so I used to Bolsonaro former military now he's going to be your president. Why do I hear so many comparisons to Donald Trump do do you see the similarity? Of course. I mean, first of all I mean, Jay Obosa narrow loves Donald Trump, and he is using the exact same vocabulary. I would say so your President Donald Trump says make America great again and Brazil vian Joey Bosa narrow he save Brazil, you love it. A you leave it. If means Brazil I saw on Sunday night. He's victory speech was completely about that won't go. Was he me say? He will be depressing of all Brazilian who respect the low and who are take late where he said, no, he said, I'll be the president of all Brazilians who respect the law and articulate. Yes. Absolutely. He say that. Okay. Well, take us back to that campaign. How did we get here? Brazil is going through a huge corruption scandal into politics and actually ended up a we've the arrest of the former president of Brazil Lula who is now in jail for twelve years for corruption. You have a huge huge violence problem in Brazil, utilize velo crime highest level of crime of Latina America and actually the future president able so narrow he has been stabbed during the campaign. By one of the supporter of of the Rocas party. Well, he was stabbed like at a rally in front of people. Absolutely. He was stabbed in September. And actually after that the rest of the campaign actually debt from bed and from home he didn't travel to different CDs. He used a lot social network to reach the people, and we know both in our plans to make one of his first foreign trips not to one of your neighbors in South America. But to Washington DC to shake hands with President Trump. So I used to I mean, we're seeing the political effects, but what about the practical ones like what actually changes in Brazil in the coming weeks? So what he's doing right now for the first time he will also support economic sanction against a Venezuela. Which would be a something completely new into in the history of Brazil because in Brazil, usually, you don't support a sanction for any latinamerican country and grisly suffering from. Violence from the has a huge of leaks security, and he always wanted to get closer to the American low A regarding the access of defect to own his own gun. A super have some more American style gun laws there. I I know usually reporting around the world it's good to hear you talking about your home country. Thank you very much. Thank you. Hugh. And one last thing is people get flu shots there are communities. Small hotspots were growing number of people refused to get crucial vaccines for their kids. One of the places. You always hear about his California. So in twenty fourteen there was a measles outbreak. That's Dr let pool boykin. She's a pediatric psychiatrist who works with ABC's medical unit. And she says it got scary enough in California that they did a study, and they found out barely ninety percent of kids were vaccinated against the measles. Say you need to have about ninety five percent of the people within a community to be vaccinated in order for there to be immunity in that particular community was like the magic number. So the past a law what that did was outlaw the use of personal belief exemptions starting now, they said you can't just say I don't wanna back Saination for my kid. I don't trust them. That's not good enough. If a child has a valid medical reason, you could get a medical exemption. So that would be. An extreme reaction and allergic reaction to maybe a product within the vaccine and California's just a third state to try this will yesterday researchers published a new study in the journal pediatrics asking a simple question does the law work. So the good news is that the number of children are immunized vaccinated increased from ninety two percent up to ninety five percent of that. Magic number though. Yeah. Perfect. So that was the good news. The bad news was that they found that the number of medical exemptions also increase above two hundred percent two hundred percent. Yes. Above two hundred percent. All of a sudden parents were racing to get these medical exemptions. And the reports said some of these were legit several parents had just ask for personal belief exemptions because they're easier. No doctors no required. But other she said we're willing to go to any doctor how willing like to willing. Yes, actually study finds that some doctors were actually charge. Jing for these medical exemptions some cases, she says, it wasn't your kids physician at all these were surgeons cardiologists they were even marijuana dispensary doctors, wait like the guy who prescribes we'd. Yes. The guy who prescribes wait. There were plenty of good doctors who do that. But the researchers found those are not usually pediatricians California's considering making its Bill more stringent. California gets the notoriety you guys each other states now like Idaho, Arizona Washington where the numbers of unvaccinated children are really rising. You can start here. Tomorrow just hit. Subscribe follow us on Twitter at start here. ABC and for the latest on all these stories had ABC, news dot com or the news app. I'm Brad milkey. See tomorrow. We are really strong women people new to hear what women have to say. And that's that's what makes the show so good ABC's the view mirror available as a podcast with Goldberg, Abby, Huntsman, joy Behar son house, Dan. And Megan McCain, you're gonna who's anybody who wants to make the next level in politics has to come on the show. Up to all of us to continue the conversation on apple podcasts or your favorite podcast app. Every week afternoon.

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High Steaks

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High Steaks

"It's Wednesday April twenty nine. Th You could be forced to close the can your business be forced to open start here. These facilities have become America's biggest hotspots. And now the White House is demanding. They keep their doors. Open is essentially compelling them to stay open cope. Nineteen damned would. A new executive order needs for workers for businesses and your trip to the supermarket. There are more test available. But do you have to pay for them? Some people are getting zero dollar bills like me. I know someone who got a thousand dollar bill after you've got questions we've got answers as America tries to step up. Its cove. Nineteenth testing programs. Enhancing ties doesn't work on for. This dog was exhibiting signs of respiratory infection. Turns out household pets can be infected. What gave the CDC laws from ABC News? This start here Brad. Mielke this is what it sounded like outside my window yesterday. Brooklyn Queens to Manhattan in New Jersey and even Philly Blue Angels and Thunderbirds Sword in formation over some of the hardest hit neighborhoods on the east coast. Other cities will see similar spectacles in the days. Ahead if you're wondering like I was by the way. No this does not cost extra tax payer money since these pilots have to get in flight hours to stay current. The goal from the Pentagon is to applaud first responders and to create a sense of national unity. But unfortunately there's already a keen sense of national unity right now just because of how everyone everyone is being affected by Kovac nineteen. I see a lot of people that I know in the hospital for a hotdog. Painful hot delivers a game. That I might die yesterday. The number of confirmed cases in this country passed one million in places like New Jersey pull showed sixty one percent of residents know someone who has added. That number is rising other states. And when you wake up tomorrow we will be close to sixty thousand deaths. You've heard that's more dead Americans than the Vietnam War will remember this. The death toll was barely five thousand at the end of March. That means these huge numbers these Vietnam level numbers or virtually all from one month. And yet as we've reported more and more states are instituting. Their plans to reopen ISLA governor Kim Reynolds announced restaurants could reopen fried eggs drugs in Tennessee and Georgia started welcoming customers. Today tells you just how dire this economy has become. That businesses are desperate to reopen their doors. That yesterday for really the first time you the. Us government telling certain companies. You can't even close if you want to. President trump signing an executive order to keep processing plants open as part of the defense production. Act we always work with a pharmacist. Supply there's plenty of as you know there's plenty of supply in this case. These are meat. Packing plants closed specifically because of health concerns got. Abc's chief national correspondent. Gutten with us. This morning he's been reporting on food processing plants around the country. We've also got. Abc's and Florida covers federal agencies. And Matt let's start with you because you actually traveled to what became one of the worst hot spots in the country. It's a meat packing plant and yet these types of businesses that are now expected to remain open. Why because the? Us government considers them critical infrastructure to the US. We'll be very good shape. We're working with Tyson. Which is one of the big companies in that world. We're talking about possibility. Possibility of seeing as much as eighty percent of the capacity to process protein in this country. Shut down because the workers at these plants are like the rest of us. We were nervous because not knowing you know how. Close the people that were testing positive. Were to where we were working. The plant's clean the meat. Coming out of there is not infectious. It's not disease but the people who work there are susceptible to contagion thumb of the jobs. They are literally L. Would help in order to keep these places open. Government and president trump is going to issue this executive order essentially compelling these companies to stay open and keep producing meet. Tyson foods is shutting down its largest port facility field foods to suspend operations for fourteen days. Then he many plants shutting down and the President sees that as a major threat to the food supply chain in this country and he is essentially compelling them to stay open cope in nineteen damned. And Larry What do we know about this decision so far? This seems like the First Time. The government stepped in and said No. You have to stay open to anyone We haven't seen that. We've seen a quite a few industries being deemed essential meaning that they should stay open with the meat packing and with the transportation. We have had some difficulty where they're having a liability. That's really unfair to them. This is using a part of the law called the Defense Production Act and by trump invoking. This what he's doing is essentially opening them up to provide them additional assistance federal assistance depending on how he wants to use this law. This could actually give them money to open up new production lines to reconfigure how they're producing meat because essentially what it's saying is that the this business is so essential The tax payers are willing to pay money to ensure that it keeps providing services to the American public. I remember you had been reporting on. How sort of hands off the administration had been with companies like? It's up to the companies to decide how they do things that seems like it's changed. Cdc and the Labor Department had issued regulations that were very voluntary Assisi. Sunday night tweeted recommendations largely deferring to the industry include encouraging but not mandating that workers. Not Carpool eight. I don't think that this is about forcing any kind of regulation on the plants. I think this is more about legal liability place things. The jobs are really. Trina on your muscles and yeah slow. Physical job over there eventually. They're going to run out of workers and and while meatpacking plants do not require the greatest skill of labor in the marketplace. People have to learn how to do these things you know. One of the people we spoke to in South Dakota is a gut snatcher. I was struggling so I was breathing so hard and getting close throughout the guys who know the job ready so I kept on moving around. We also have to physically capable of doing it and it's physically demanding work. Which is why these people are breathing all over each other. Which is why the person we interviewed believes. He got sick of the other guys get sick. I'm the one who got sick from that day and I have no idea if anyone else on that. Got Sick or not. But that's when the company shut down so if you're changing the production line it's going to cost millions to space people out and I don't know if the federal government is in it for the long haul enough to change the physical production lines of some of the biggest plants in the country but wait. I'm confused because you've told us you know. We might not get some cuts of meat that we're used to in the grocery store because of all this also hearing about plants opening specifically so they can slaughter chickens by the thousands to sell them to Disa- slaughter them and destroy them. Because there's an oversupply I mean. How is this essential? There's a single company Brad. In the Delmarva Peninsula that is a big poultry producing area in the country that is slaughtered two million chickens. A we're talking about many many thousands of hogs that are being slaughtered cattle on the same order of magnitude and that's because there is this ripple effect in the supply chain and the farmers are hit. So you know they have nowhere to take the the hoax. So the plants shut down and the folks who truck the cattle or hogs to the plant. They're stopping to work the people who are farming and have produced this lineup of. Let's say hogs. They have nowhere to put the younger generation of the animals that they have to keep and they don't have the money to keep feeding them so they're going to have to euthanize them and not produce that that set of hogs for food because they're just getting too big for the pens and you think well. Why not have bigger hugs? That sounds great to me. Because they don't have the money to feed them they don't have the place to put them and they don't have the plant to produce them. In and the chairman of Tyson Foods says that protecting workers means that millions of pounds of meat will no longer be shipped to grocery stores. He says there is a serious food. Waste issue and that these same producers could've fed the nation and this is just creating this national backlog which is decimating the food production in our country bottom line. Then what does this mean for workers who work at these types of places and what does it mean for the rest of us? What does it mean for shoppers? That one point to make is that This is really about politics because when meet aisles empty and American grocery stores that's a bad sign. Americans like their meat but even more than that they like to know that their country works and when their countries not working that signals. A big problem in that puts trump at risk in an election year from the beginning. The trump administration is delivered for great farmers. We love our farmers. And we've been given a lot of indications that this executive order is something that was ordered up by industry to try to protect their supply lines once the the the notice that say you're going to get a five hundred dollar bonus that's like a huge amount so even if you wake up one morning and you sick you're just going to go to work so you can get the bonus and the other issue is bred. Who's protecting the workers? Are they going to be compelled to go to work at these meat processing plants under the current conditions? Picking people were handling raw. Meat would be wearing gloves and masks anyway right. We always wore gloves handling for our job. We weren't wearing masks for our safety. So are additional employees and labors elsewhere in the country going to be susceptible and then going to be compelled to go to work even if they might the beginnings of symptoms. And we just don't have the answer to that right now but just so. I'm really clear then. Are we going to see guys with guns? Show up on the porches of some of these workers saying you have to go to work today. Like how do you enforce this like? I don't think that's going to happen at all. President Trump told reporters that this is about legal liability taking the liability which frees up the entire system and I fully understand it not their fault and I think what's going on here. Is that the me? Packaging plants in the states have been under pressure or have been told by state or local officials that they need to close when enough workers get sick. Essentially if you're a company that has been deemed essential. That's going to provide you legal cover if you're forcing people to come in to your production facility. Even if it's known you can't provide them proper distance and people are getting sick. You can say to the courts you know. Listen we're an essential business here? We were told under orders from the president to stay open. That's going to provide them some legal cover In any future lawsuits and of course that means that caught in the middle is the safety of these workers and as you and his matt both reported so many of these workers are immigrants for not exactly looking at get on Class Action Lawsuit. Or join a picket line. They're trying to stay out of the spotlight and flaherty night. Got Thank you both. Thanks Bert. Thanks Brad next about start here at test on every corner a swab and every knows the how is the stepped up corona virus testing program. Actually GonNa Work Ticket. Quick break now to tell you about red box. Red Box has top entertainment when you need it. Most the world may be on. Hold that making memories. Isn't movies connect few things can so watch some of the latest releases the captivate. Everyone's attention or introduce the family to your favorite classic. Something you watch after dinner tonight and still be talking about over breakfast tomorrow or a month from now connection. Is Everything now more than ever let red box bring you together? Visit Red Box dot com for all the ways to watch subject to additional terms. Additional nights apply. We talked about how important private companies are going to be an all. This land applies to the actual science of fighting corona virus as well the walk in urgent care clinics city. Md will now be able to give diagnostic nasal swab test to patients with Corona Virus. Symptoms crucial part of the plan will involve allowing pharmacies like CVs and Walgreens to administer tests hundreds of new site. The last twenty four hours. The Nation's biggest healthcare retailers drugstores see. They are ramping up testing rapidly. But is it enough and is it actually accessible? Let's turn to the reporter. Who's lived this? Abc's keenly artem is here and Kelly. You had a heck of a time getting test in the first place when you had cove in nineteen now weeks later drugstores like hey come on by so as of this morning. What is the process? Yeah right now Brad. The answer really depends on where you live. We WanNa get our country and the testing is not going to be a problem at all. The administration says they WANNA make sure states are able to test at least two percent of the population. Some experts say that's not nearly enough president. Trump's new testing plan is generally deferring to the states but officials are saying some states have realistic testing plans but others have plans that are more ambitious than the two percent really is sort of a minimum floor. There are many states that WanNa do four percent six percent eight percent every month when I was trying to get tested. I was told that I didn't sound sick enough over the phone by the La County Department of Public Health to get a test meal. Ron Johnson says her sister Rana Zoe. A New York City schoolteacher was turned down twice before she finally got a test over the last two months. We've heard so many people saying they've got symptoms but not symptoms. Great enough to get a test was positive Rana's. Zoe fought the virus in the hospital for a month Monday. She lost her battle. So the top priorities as to who gets test? It's still those patients who require hospitalization. Also healthcare workers. They're still a top priority but they have bumped up anyone living in a nursing home who has symptoms. And that's a big deal but what the CDC is saying is now the next priority level anyone with symptoms so as Dr Chea saying this country has not gotten testing perfect yet but he's hopeful we will get there soon. That's what I'm thinking about. Kelly is is if I work at a restaurant or a hair salon. That company wants me back at work but I can get tested every week and I still wouldn't know that I was totally safe to the people around me. I could pick it up on the way to work every day. So how much testing is actually necessary and Ari? There were different. Experts have different answers to that question. Brad and the answer is subjective. Because you have to ask is. What do you need testing for? So many Americans want to know if they've been exposed if they might have any. Antibodies AS COMMUNITIES. Prepare to reopen long lines today for antibody tests clinics here. New York people keeping their distance again acting in mass corona virus tests that PR NASAL SWAB tells you if you're infected right now but antibody tests are telling if you've been infected in the past so far that has meant first responders. Healthcare Workers Grocery Workers Public Transit Drivers and then delivery drivers rideshare drivers and taxi. Drivers began today to be tested. Even if they are a symptomatic and if you want to know that portion of the country that sick right now the timing is everything depending on who you test and how often that. You're testing we'll and let's talk about the antibody test match those those are the ones where you know. You take it to find out if you've had it in the past and maybe that means you've got more immunity we don't know but do those tests work. It seems like everyone's got their own at this point. A lot of people say we really need to be careful about these antibody tests. There was a study the other day that tested fourteen antibody test and only three were proven to be reliable loss health officials and the World Health Organization worn even if you get an accurate test and have antibodies. There's still no conclusive evidence of immunity in the past week. The FDA has authorized several more of these antibody tests and that's providing some reassurance considering it's it's like the wild wild west out there in so many people are offering up these tests that they say were says that anyone who wants to take in anybody tests can order one through their website without having to visit a doctor's Office. I but the sad truth right now. Is that if you have the money to pay for one of these antibody tests. It's likely easier and quicker to get answers or at least some peace of mind at a time when we're all looking for them. I know of a private Boutique Office in Los Angeles. Just down the street from where I live. And and they're offering antibody tests for around two hundred dollars. How much do these costs Whether we're talking about the SWAB test where they're talking about the antibody tests like does insurance cover it or are you on the hook under the cares act and federal guidelines that were issued by cms insurance companies have to cover. Cova testing and antibody testing at no cost to you or me. So it's likely that you need a doctor's order though for that test to be covered but it's messy. Some people are getting zero dollar bills like me. I know someone who got a thousand dollar bill after she went to the hospital and got tested. That got sorted out but it again goes to the whole point. New regulations are being put in place. New Guidelines are being put in place and figuring this out as we go along the insurance companies in the healthcare providers. That are ramping up these tests. Kaley hard time live in the south. Thank you so much. Thanks Brad. We were already worried enough about the wellbeing of tigers for you. Hear it on the news time myself. About an hour ago we had an incident or one employee stuck to arm through the cage and Tiger tore her arm off the Docu Series Tiger King was filmed before big cats started getting infected with Koga nineteen the CDC announcing on Wednesday that cats in two separate homes in New York State has tested positive for cove nineteen well in recent days. We've seen more. Tigers infected more zoo animals as well as smaller cats now perhaps even a pet dog early on the CDC. It said humans should be taking all sorts of precautions but pets could pretty much still sniff around each other now. That is not the advice. Abc's chief medical correspondent. Dr Jennifer Ashton is with us. Dr What has changed here. Well what's changes that now? We have documentation of an American pet dog has been diagnosed with confirmed cove in. Nineteen Winston the pug showed mild symptoms. He didn't want to eat breakfast. And that's not usual for him. So this is not a massive surprise Brad because we know that corona viruses can affect animals as well as human his mom a pediatrician and his dad an er doctor. Both tested positive to along with their human son. There had been some isolated case reports coming out of Asia of pet dogs testing positive for Cova one thousand nine hundred and we saw it in the US in another first for the corona virus pandemic a tiger tested positive for the virus at the Bronx Zoo large cats than we saw with pet cat and now a pet dog. What is the biggest concern? Here is the concern like my dog is GonNa get sick from other dogs that have shortness of breathing or that my dog could infect me in my family like. How do you look at this? Well I think it's probably more the latter so first of all we should underscore. This virus is not even five months old. There's no evidence that the virus is transmitted from a pet to do a human now. Obviously is that impossible biologically? Anything is possible but with whoever we will be looking for. Different manifestations of how it behaves and one of those behaviors is will our pets be either vectors for spread or will they get sick themselves and it took. Us honestly a couple of days to really clue in that was not just you know muscle soreness exercise and that this was something to pay attention to in this case this dog was exhibiting signs of respiratory infection and that's how and why it was tested but as far as the mode of transmission are we talking about sneezes and coughs and the breadth of dogs and cats or is it more. Like it's on there for. You should be snuggling them. Well I mean I think that's every pet owners concern is that it could be on there for but the more likely Site on the pet is their nose mouth just like it is on humans. You know that cat have almost the identical virus receptor on their cells that left the virus in that people do in the second case none of the human members of the of tested positive. So how'd it happen? There's possibly an increased risk if they were an indoor outdoor cats so they were exposed to the outside environments to other people the concern now is if a pet is infected. Could they spread it to a human or is it only unit or are we just the ones giving it to our pets? I wanted to say I got my dog. Frank here holding in right now. He says what's up with the dog park. Dr Ashton is that done for me. That's done for Frank. Right now and my dog Mason is is looking at me with the same inquisitive. Look so These new cases of pets have prompted the CDC to issue new recommendations for pet owners and they are as following. Keep your pet from interacting with other pets leash your dog and keep your dog six feet away from other pets and people also it says the pet owner should stay away from dog parks so they are acting out of an abundance of caution both for us to protect our pets as well as possibly protecting you know other human beings and my cat owners to he got outdoor cats. Sometimes you don't know where they've been during the day now the CDC Sang. Keep those cats indoors as well as much as they might hate. A Dr Jen Ashton and Mason. You're over there. Frank here in the booth with me. Good rounded thank you. Thanks Brad and one last thing to park is dead. Bright all is only in this rush right now to get aid out to Americans. Experts have been worried about the lack of oversight in fact in Kentucky Governor. Andy Bashir said on Monday. They'd caught someone trying to get unemployment benefits under the name to auction or and that person probably thought they were being funny. They probably did. The sheer sounds ticked off. Like this the jeopardize everyone not okay. We can't be doing that and we shouldn't be doing that as we move forward. The only problem is that claim was filed by a guy whose name is to talk to Maliki. Shukor is a cook in Lexington Kentucky at a restaurant that has been shuttered due to corona virus. He's exactly the type of person who that unemployment check right so yesterday governor Bashir called Shukor personally to apologize and the restaurant owner where he works. Says it shouldn't have been this hard like all. The information was right there on the application. Just call what did you think to park would be hard to find? Yes we check. The guy changed his name but in the late nineties. Like it's been twenty plus years. Start here tomorrow. Just hit subscribe. You WanNa see my dog frank. By the way hit up our instagram account. It start here. Abc More to all these stories of ABC News Dot Com with ABC News App. Brad Milkey see tomorrow. The country is locked down battling corona virus. How the curve have my gloves in my pocket. Which I'm not sure how effective they'll be going to wear them anyway. We WanNA help and give you the latest information. I'm Aaron Katersky of Kobe. Nineteen what you need to know a podcast from. Abc News but we're going to need to do is widespread testing to see who's susceptible who's infected. Who's recovered each weekday? We call on doctors from around the country and our own medical experts to respond directly to. 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"It's Tuesday March twelfth coincidence or reason not to get on your flight. We start here. Nervous. Fliers are calling airlines. Asking pay. I'm booked on a flight is it a seven three seven max our team is on the ground in Ethiopia. What we've learned and how aviation authorities are responding cut the deficit. Don't hold your breath. We are not on directory towards either balancing the budget or paying off the winners and losers in President Trump's budget proposal, and it was nineteen days of terror. What's going on my neighbor? One year later, we've got a behind the scenes look at the bombing spree that blocked, Texas. From ABC news. This is start here. Brad mielke. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot com slash start. Here brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet? When Ethiopian Airlines flight three oh two took off Sunday morning. He was in the air for barely six minutes that you've yo been airlines jet took off from the capitol headed to Kenya. Data shows the pilots were having trouble controlling the plane when it went down be awesome beard. Details though, like the aircraft struggle to climb above one thousand feet the pilots requested to return to the airport before they disappeared. We really knew very little about what went wrong. What we did know though, was that this was a Boeing seven three seven max eight to aviation people. This was the headline. This was spooky because that was the same model the Boeing seven thirty seven that crashed into the ocean all one hundred eighty nine on board feared dead that went down hosted Indonesia last October. And so is Americans went to work yesterday morning. Boeing's executives Ron red alert. The playmaker stock dropped more than five percent Monday. As a result of the crashes in Ethiopia and Indonesia and travelers getting anxious. We've seen a lot of developments. Since then. So let's hear what it means for air. Travelers ABC's chief national correspondent, Matt gut minute. He's on the ground in Ethiopia ABC, senior transportation correspondent David curly is in Washington right now. And so Matt let's start with you. You're there what is happening at this crash site. The crash site is remarkable Brad if only four its compactness, it is shockingly small, you know, we think of Lockerbie nineteen Eighty-eight another crash sites. There is debris scattered over an enormous area. This could basically fit inside of a large hotel lobby, and that's because of the velocity with which this plane just nose dove into the earth it happened. So quickly at such an angle that most of the plane parts or a lot of the plane parts in possibly the remains of the passengers remain buried underground. And that's why you see excavators at the site. First responders sifting even with their hands. In addition to first responders on the scene, the NTSB is there there is a team they're assessing the crash site. And you gotta remember Brad Ethiopia. Ed has a significant and large and well known fleet of planes with a pretty good track record in the pilot himself had flown eight thousand hours during his time with Ethiopian air, which is significant. We're talking about a very seasoned pilot here once David curly. Can we talk about the type of airplane because this model I it's supposed to be the future of airlines? Right. And yet now two times in four and a half months. You've got a seven thirty seven max eight crashing minutes from takeoff. So what does this mean for air travel bestselling jetliner ever in the world the max series from Boeing there are three hundred and seventy that have been delivered. So far that are flying around the world. There are five thousand on order six hundred billion dollars worth of aircraft on order, which is why this is such a big deal for Boeing and the first thing everybody thought and it's not surprising. Wait a minute in four and a half months. We just had two of these crash what's going on with this aircraft. But we don't even know what? Happened in the second crash with Ethiopia there. The similarities are that they were both having trouble after takeoff and they had flight control issues. Those are the similarities, but we don't know beyond that whether it's the same cause or not in fact in Lyon, air, the Indonesian crash, we know already that there were some maintenance issues which led to bad data, which led to pilot error. So you could actually argue and Boeing does are you that the first crash really wasn't a problem with the plane. He was maintenance and pilot error. So what is the second one? Is there? A thread that runs through it. And those black boxes will tell us yet. You're on the ground. What does happen next? Is it all about those black boxes? It all depends on those black boxes. The good news is they have been retrieved. A we don't yet know if the Ethiopian authorities have begun to look into them, they have not yet asked for assistance from foreign agencies. They don't have to their the investigative body here. And they can do what they please. He win would be get that data, David. The question is whether easy you. Okay. You can do it themselves. Really? We we want to find that out. Are they waiting to read them out? Or are they going to ask for help? And if they do are they going to the Europeans, the Brits or the French? Or will they go to the NTSB will now we're seeing countries ground their entire fleets of max eights, not just in Indonesia, but also China overnight, we saw Mexico and Brazil do the same things in passengers or just to nervous so David what is the US response? The FAA put out a notification to the world aviation community late in the day on Monday, basically, saying listen, we're watching this. We don't see anything. There's no reason to take action yet. There's no evidence that we need to ground these aircraft. The FAA will tell you we need evidence. If they said that they saw any actual evidence for concern. They would have no problem taking immediate action. But in the meantime, in if you're a nervous passenger, if you're nervous airline employees. What do you do? We saw a lot of passengers on Monday, basically asking there. Airlines. Hey, I'm booked on a flight is it a seven three seven max. And the airlines might say yes might say no southwest said they'd had some calls, and they offer refunds if people want to move to a different flight, and that's a possibility. American Airlines flight attendants have been told by their union. Listen, if you're afraid of this plane, you don't have to fly on it. That's part of the rules that they operate under. And so last question mad because this does obviously will be on the air travel industry. What is this meant? I mean to the people who are around you there, obviously, it's a huge tragedy Brad for Ethiopia. But also, you know, you look at the international nature of the passenger list. It's incredible people from thirty five countries. A lot of the remains have not yet been recovered. And of course, you know, the grizzly recovery of the victim's bodies could be days away in a plane's nosediving bearing things under the ground. Matt David, thanks for catching us up. Thanks, brad. You bet. Back in the US. We saw something we haven't seen in six weeks could afternoon a press briefing from the White House press secretary ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl. Was there in his front row spot as well? I was going to say as usual, John. But you've only done this twice in two thousand nineteen. I almost forgot how it was done. I mean, you have your you had your you sit in the briefing room, Brad. And the White House press secretary comes into the room and stands at the podium, and then you ask questions, and I mean, it was it was really an interesting experience with, but but it began with a rundown of the budget it's budget day. And you know, they they tried it out the acting budget director, Sarah good afternoon, everyone happy budget day. And there's a lot to talk about with this proposed budget. But you were the first person point out right there. The president campaigned on drawing down the deficit that did not appear to be a thing here. He he didn't quite run on reducing the deficit. He ran on eliminating the deficit and actually he didn't. That's not even accurate because he actually said as a candidate that he would eliminate the national debt the national debt, which at the time was nineteen trillion dollars, which would have meant that. He would have had to have run surpluses of nineteen trillion dollars to pay off all that debt accumulated by previous presidents. He said he could do that by ear. So what I asked the the the acting budget director is wait a minute. Wait a minute. When when the president made that promise the debt was nineteen trillion dollars at the end of his first year in office, the debt had actually gone up to twenty trillion dollars last year twenty one trillion dollars. So what happened to that? Promise. Look again, the last administration nearly doubled the national debt and when this president ran for office. He made a commitment to the American people that he wouldn't attempt to tackle the debt within eight years in the most recent number from the from the White House was last month. Twenty two trillion dollars in debt does not seem to be. Top priority at all. Although the budget does call for some pretty severe cuts in a range of social programs from food stamps to student loans, and I want to go back to the budget and the second. But there was one other thing that really stuck out yesterday. It's when speaker of the house Nancy Pelosi told the Washington Post that is far she is concerned impeachment is basically off the table, right? It's not a thing. So when we talk about the forthcoming Muller report, these public hearings on Capitol Hill is impeachment. No longer an issue for the White House. Oh boy. I this is going to be a messy a few months. This is going to be a messy year ahead coming into the election. But I thought Pelosi's comments were were very interesting because she was explicit about it. And in a way that political leaders, you know, not so explicit. She said, I'm gonna make news here. No not interested in impeachment. I don't think there should be impeachment. I think it's too. It's divides the country too much unless it is overwhelmingly bipartisan, of course, there's no indication there's any bipartisan. Interest. In impeachment. Seems almost a message to her own rank and file I mean, you you have a the rank and file Democrats who are really geared up hopped up who believe there already is more than enough evidence out there doing peach this president, and our and our charging full. Steam ahead. Nancy Pelosi is never been one of those. She didn't she she. She was not talking about impeachment during the campaign. She was critical of those who were talking about impeachment. But now you ever explicitly saying, no, I have no interest in peaching, Donald Trump. Or do the meantime, regardless of whether actual articles get filed it does not mean the investigation stop. So you get the sense. Democrats would rather face sort of wounded investigated Donald Trump and someone who's just emerged from an impeachment fight when the votes aren't there Jonathan we'll let you get back to it. Thank you. Thanks, brad. And I want to drill down a bit on this proposed budget. The Jonathan mentioned remember, this is something every administration. Does you put out your proposed budget? It never gets passed. As is. It's really just a press release. That congress takes a look at. But it does give you a sense of where the White House stands and what wants to prioritize in the year ahead. So let's talk to someone who is up to her years in these numbers right now and Flaherty covers federal agencies for ABC news. And so at the very least the budget gives a sense of who the White House thinks deserves more money who deserves less. So who are the would be winners and losers here. That's right. Brad. I I think the winter's here, clearly the military and veteran's he's identified them as as in line for big budget, increases and immigration. It's eight point six billion dollars for the border wall. He's calling for more border patrol agents more ice officers to detain undocumented immigrants, but the losers I think would be agencies like the education department the Environmental Protection Agency. He he's calling for seven billion dollars in cuts to the education department at the same time. He's calling for that eight billion dollars for border funding. Well, that sounds like a lot of money, but then you look at the military budget. That would go up. Two seven hundred fifty billion dollars and a quick little behind the scenes thing here, and you sent me an Email saying the Trump administration might cut one point five billion dollars from Medicaid. I was like that sounds like a now. And then you said, oh, wait typo trillion. And it's one point five trillion dollars like that's a that's a huge cut. What would that look like? Yeah. I mean, that's the the Medicaid proposal. This is actually something that they've done before they've tried before it's something that would never ever ever happen. But you know, if you remember it under the Obama administration, they tried to expand, Medicaid, and this is the program for really poor Americans to get medical assistance. And with the Trump administration is proposing right now is to say, we're we're effectively going to get rid of the Medicaid expansion. Stop spending a lot of federal money on this program and instead handed over to states, but we're going to give a limited amount they call it block grants. So this is just another example of where he's trying to say we're going to give more money toward the military and the veterans and so forth, but these domestic. We really we. We think that it's just they've gotten too big. Well, so these agencies that would see cuts education, Medicaid, you mentioned the EPA would get like a third of its funding slashed in their place. You really do see immigration just being a central focus of so many parts of this proposal. Right Amion mentioned the D H S funding that would go that would be increased. But it it's not even just them. It would be at the interior department where they would be looking at spending more of their money on trying to police federal parks and lands as part of the broader anti immigration effort. So, you know, I think that this budget would change how a lot of America's programs are funded to be less supportive of immigration programs, less supportive of education department programs, for example, environmental regulations, but in favor of those other programs that Trump has identified as a priority military veterans and so forth, and which is where it's becoming such as big sticking point with not only Democrats, but also Republicans as well and Flaherty in Washington. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Next on start here. It was the worst bombing spree. Anyone could remember now we're learning just how scared police really were. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help getting to your shortlist of qualified candidates fast. That's why you need indeed dot com. Get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot com slash start here with the Capital One venture card. You earn unlimited double miles on every purchase every day, and you can use those miles toward travel expenses. Like flights hotels, rental cars and more capital. One. What's in your wallet credit approval required capital? One Bank USA an a. Exactly one year ago today. The entire state of Texas was on edge breaking news northeast. Austin one person is in the hospital after an explosion at home. You remember this around the Austin area? A serial bomb was on the loose. One person had already been killed picking up a package at his house on. On the awake. Not at all by the end of the day on March twelfth. There was the second victim. Exploded in the house and then a third. Hey, guys back away back away. He guy is playing might be palm. That was just the beginning of what became terrifying. Nineteen days for the first time, we are getting a look at how cops were handling this in real time behind the scenes, we got some of the body Cam footage from cops during this man hunt. ABC senior investigative reporter Josh Margolin was actually on the ground. Then he's remained plugged in with law enforcement there ever since he and on Nightline team put together an incredible piece called nineteen days of tear and Josh pick up the story from there. There's three bombs from what they've seen. What was law enforcement doing at this point one four segment is terrified by what they're watching? And they're watching an escalation it's a trip wire you are racing the clock and you're trying to make the man stop. They didn't want to cause a panic. So they didn't go public and say look American public. We are terrified. There is no information that we have right now to believe this is anything other than isolated incident. But they were very very clear that they didn't know what was happening when I heard the bomb squad commander say we have another device I thought and the United. States. This normally is what we see happening overseas. He was clearly getting more sophisticated and more effective in his bombs. He package them like they were ready to go into the mail or onto the shipping system, which terrifies law enforcement, the most dangerous kinds of a bomb is one that is put into the shipping or package delivery system because that's planes. You're putting a bomb on a plane. And so they didn't want to admit it at the time because they didn't want to cause a panic, but they saw packages ready for shipping. They had a hunch and the fear that his next step would be to put it into the shipping system at at the end. It was exactly that. Okay. So let's see you're getting bigger. They see it escalating. But the question I always have is how do you go from taking some bomb fragments to landing on a specific person that you think is a suspect. One forcement had the best stroke of luck. They ever could have in one of these kinds of things got an unexploded device. They had two devices to bombs that were found that a FedEx facility he had gone into a FedEx location. He had put two devices any ship them. One gets to the FedEx depot outside of San Antonio and blows up. Breaking news a package exploding at a FedEx facility in Texas. No one seriously hurt, thankfully, the other one is there but unexploded another package founded the facility for FBI revolting facility. It'd be evacuated they were able to find when were these packages shipped where were they shipped from? They go back. They find the video and they find the sales clerk from FedEx. To be able to pin it down. They find that the guys driving a red pickup truck. So the FBI and the ATF an awesome police detectives they start looking through the records for red pickup trucks. They also are looking for components for bombs that match the components in these devices, and they call around to the different stores. They call Home Depot it turns out that they actually have them purchased at a nearby. Home Depot, they're then able to follow the closed circuit TV monitor. And they the tapes, and they're able to go back, and they see this pickup truck assistant medically going through each name in just looking at what what kind of would this person have amid all of a sudden they start comparing who buys these components who also drives this red pickup truck, and you have an F B I analysts to about the seventh inning. And it was the bomber's name. She realizes that. She may well have figured out that that's the bomber staffing moment, and I got goosebumps. I knew so police descend on the sky, right? I mean what happens next? No, if FBI's work in this area too at the same time, we can't spook them. You have the FBI agents who were dispatched to sit on the house plain-clothes who are walking dogs and trying to look pretty normal. Although they really did not look normal the neighbors dole does afterwards. They knew something was up, but they have this address. But the bomber doesn't go home. But then all of a sudden he turns his phone on and boom his phone Ping's of a cell tower de sitting in his car and his vehicle outside a hotel along the interstate. I could see the bombers vehicle from an oblique angle, and I'm going through in my head. How's this going to play out and the word goes out to swat swat has to go. They've got to catch him. And they've got to make sure whatever happens. He does not get on that interstate. You know in Austin, Texas, you can be on an interstate and you can be almost anywhere within a few hours. You can be Mexico. One of our biggest fears is on impact it was going to explode. So the order goes out from the head of swat told them, whatever. You've got to stop him before he gets on the interstate and the racing to the scene there. Not even all set with all their equipment. They get there. And he starts pulling out. Move back now now swat chases him. They actually rear end him and banging into another swat vehicle in front of his car. Contact with the vans made contact with the get him knocked into the ravine along the highway, and we talked to the swap guys and they race up and they're banging on his window. And boom. Shot taking suspects down. He detonates his last device. And then that explosion killed that man that we now know to beat the bomber. I remember at the time you just had people that were happy. No one else was killed right? But there has been criticism sense that these cops were too slow to react to that. First bombing on March second right yet. Cops speculating he might have blown himself up accidentally nineteen days later, though, people were wondering did they take that first victimless seriously because he was black. There are a lot of criticism that can be levelled at law enforcement in almost any of these cases in this is this is certainly one of them Austin is a city that's beautiful and very well known in very high tech. But the truth is there's a freighted history of racial tension in Austin, and the three first bombings were all people of color the victims while people of color, and so you definitely can see that that that the question would be raised and law enforcement knows it. But from what we've seen in our reporting. You only can see a serial bomber in hindsight. That is a series of bombings that have already happened. You don't know when there's one on March second that it's going to be a serial bombing attack here the capability to build much bigger devices on that he was experimenting with in the all that stuff was in his house. And so by the time they get to March twelfth they really are able to sound the red alert and to say we have this serious thing going on and they publicly board the resources in. But our our research really does show that law enforcement took this incredibly seriously and is fascinating to hear. How nervous police were is they tried to avoid a panic. Josh great story. Thanks for stopping by. And one last thing you remember it. We talked about that plan floated by Elizabeth Warren to break up big tech yesterday. Get this. The warn campaign puts up a Facebook ad slamming Facebook and so Facebook takes down that ad. This was all sponsored by politico. When they asked about it. Facebook said they took it down because it violated their terms about using company logos. But then right, then and there they backtracked saying they do want a robust debate about tech platforms. The ads went back up and reportedly all this publicity of going up against a tech giant. It all came from one hundred dollar at by. And there are some amazing deep dives on that. Austin serial bomber investigation on Nightline tonight. You can see these interviews from Josh Margolin of the team that is called nineteen days of tears on tonight. Meanwhile, ABC's affiliate K view is actually debut in new podcast called bomber highly recommended check out the bomber trailer of his outright. Now, worn all these stories at ABC, news dot com or the ABC news app. Brad milkey tomorrow. Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes? Set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash start here. That's indeed dot com slash start. Here brought to you by the new Capital One saver card. Earn four percent cashback on dining and entertainment two percent at grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet?

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Full Episode: Tuesday, August 13, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

21:12 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Tuesday, August 13, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed. You can post a job in minutes set up screener questions. Then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started today. Indeed dot com slash tonight. That's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight. The chilling new video just released what is now reveals about the gunman the dayton massacre seen before the shooting with his sister and a friend and where he was the night before also tonight the violent clashes erupting at the hong kong <unk> airport authorities targeting pro democracy demonstrators those demonstrators beating officer what he draws a gun a reporter targeted accused of being a spy for china president trump responding tonight his opponents say he should be doing more kenley gunbattle on an american highway at driver pulled over he gets out of the truck and walks to the back pulls out in the salt style rifle opening fire during rush hour the race to save the officers. The teenager is threats authorities tonight. Discovering ten thousand rounds sounds of ammunition in his home the severe weather threat at this hour from memphis to raleigh blinding rain possible through the northeast rob marciano timing it out. We have new reporting tonight on jeffrey epstein. How did it taking his own life and what's now happened warden and a two staff members who were supposed to be watching him the hot car ariss cue to mother who accidentally locked her ten month old in the car the frantic effort to save the child. The woman attacked by an alligator more than nine feet long while walking in her dog. We have news on her condition tonight at listening to your conversations facebook collecting audio and having those conversations transcribed <music>. This is a._b._c. news tonight with david muir fitting. It's great to have you with us here on a very busy tuesday night and we begin tonight with that new surveillance and what now reveals about the gunman in the date massacre scene with his sister and a friend before the shooting you can see the gunman connor bets arriving ned peppers bar of course he would later come back then scene walking after going to his car changing his clothes and then carrying a heavy backpack he ducks into an alley and puts on body armor. It was not long after he emerged from that alley. The shooting began and this number tonight. Twenty six people shot in just thirty two seconds among the dead his own sister and the a._b._c.'s eva pilgrim leading us off tonight nine days after gunman killed nine people in downtown dayton officials using never before seen surveillance images and videos piecing together the most detailed hill timeline yet of connor bets deadly rampage authorities say conor bets got to the area around eleven the night of the shooting you see in this surveillance video him arriving with his sibling and a friend the three going to blind bob's bar then at twelve thirteen bets leaves his a sister and friend at blind bob's and goes to ned pepper's across the street. He's there for thirty minutes before going back to his car. Were cameras capture him changing changing. He stood for nine minutes behind the bars before he seen on video again this time body armor on gun in hand walking down down an alley just after one a._m. The terror began we believe at the shooting started at approximately one zero five five seconds. We believe it ended at one six and seven seconds. That's thirty two seconds. Police quick responding to the scene in fifteen seconds taking him down in the doorway to ned pepper's the aftermath up more than a dozen taken to the hospital nine. People were killed including the shooter's own sister tonight. Investigators saying bets was in contact with his sister throughout the night even calling her at one point as to whether or not he shot her deliberately some saying absolutely not he was not intentional some they know had to be. I was as inconclusive and eva pilgrim back with us on this again tonight and today we were listening. Police revealed that he'd actually been there the night before. They still haven't revealed a motive of any kind. That's right david. Police tell us they think conor vets planned this shooting and they think he acted alone saying he was in that area the night before the sheeting as well tonight. They're trying to figure out how long he'd been planning this actual attack at eva thank you we are also following the major story overseas the violent images coming in from hong hong kong all day long the world now watching pro democracy demonstrators who want to get rid of china's heavy hand. Those protesters stormed the airport again. In hong kong. Though this time police swat watt teams engage police in riot gear moving in with pepper spray and batons targeting protesters making arrests the demonstrators attacking an officer and a reporter convinced he was a chinese chinese spy and tonight these images chinese troops are in a neighboring province conducting what they say are exercises president trump responding tonight at one point today saying why are people blaming me a._b._c. Senior foreign correspondent ian panel with dramatic images tonight. One of the world's busiest airports descending indicators tonight denies with thousands of anti government protesters taking over forcing frustrated passengers caught in the middle to abandon travel plans for a second day in a row has hundreds hundreds of flights canceled. Nobody's listening it began as a protest over lure about extradition to china but quickly grew into a massive pro-democracy campaign today targeting apples officials with laser pointers hurling plastic bottles forcing them to retreat police in black gay quickey moving in robbing protesters taking them down warm by one one group cornering competing this officer until he drew his weapon the crab looking deals with luggage carts until all of police push forward opening pepper spray on the the crowd protesters detaining reports from chinese state-owned newspaper accusing him of being a police spy tying him to a baggage count until paramedics could fun when you reach him it's made lahser sought for us <hes> to as <hes> elective for us to to reply to our to our beijing's called this terrorism until i just sending a message chinese state-owned media showing this video of military forces assembling near the border with hong kong for what they say a. Just exercise president trump today asked about the situation it later ominously tweeting. The chinese government is moving troops to the border with hong kong. Everyone should become and safe in panel with us live tonight. Ian president trump responding today as you reported there and tonight there is real debate over what role the u._s. should play. If any as these protesters push for democracy yeah that's right david on the one hand the president being accused of pulling his punches on the other tweeting that he's been blamed for the problems in hong kong. It's not clear who he thinks is blaming him. If it's the china's government they've certainly criticize america for backing the protesters though not president trump specifically of course is in the middle of the delicate trade negotiations with china on the other hand and former vice president joe biden strident describing the protesters brave and saying america should put its full support behind him david in panel tonight ian. Thank you backyard home. There is new reporting tonight after a traffic stop that turned deadly in california the driver getting out of his truck go into the back and pulling out in the salt style rifle than firing during rush hour officers frantically trying to save their colleagues. One officer did not survive afterward the sombre procession escorting his body. A._b._c.'s chief national correspondent matt up then is on the scene tonight tonight. Police still investigating that deadly gun battle in the thick of rush hour traffic dozens of rounds fired. You can hear those pops and see the puffs of smoke when it ended three officers were shot one of them thirty four year old andre killed it begin minutes earlier when motorcycle officer moyen pulled over this white pickup in what police say was a traffic stop. Police say as moya was doing paperwork to impound the vehicle. The suspect luther went to his own truck pulled out a long gun and began firing in this video filmed by a terrified motorists. You can see him firing dressed in black and despite being mortally wounded officer. Moya managed managed to radio for backup those reinforcements arriving. That's when two additional officers were hit. One of them critically wounded one of those officers dragged to safety his colleagues putting him into a cruiser then officers guns at the ready sprint towards moyer loading him into a patrol helicopter stray bullets slamming into nearby cars it hits straight in the middle of my windshield missing my head and my two children that were in the back seat overnight that solemn procession of c._h._p. Officers accompanying moist body. This was his dream job and he loved going to work. Father says the suspect had recently been arguing with his wife absorb for the policeman makeup and with us live tonight from riverside california matt police investigating why the suspect jumped out and how he also got that weapon that's right and that's because he is a felon and felons are not allowed to have weapons of any kind now luther luther had a rap sheet going back twenty five years and included attempted murder and officers wanted to know why he had a gun of any kind much less customized assault assault style rifle that he pulled from that pick up behind me. David already met up with us again tonight. Thanks matt and one more note about guns tonight. In ohio teen under arrest tonight authorities say they found ten and thousand rounds of ammunition in his home authorities say eighteen year old justin olsen threatened to shoot federal agents a planned parenthood facility and a gay bar inside his father's home home. They found fifteen rifles ten semi automatic pistols and ammunition the f._b._i. Says they've moved in fearing another possible. Mass shooting we turn next to the tornado watch three states had the severe weather threat here in the east tonight storm chasers watching this large tornado. This is near mukalla rod and twin funnel cloud seen south of there in burlington colorado tonight. Severe thunderstorm watches here in the east and of course theologists rob marciano traffic at all for us. Hey rob hi david very active radarscope tonight. Across a wide area seven reported tornadoes from minnesota. It's colorado watches up in that area with active warnings right now there you see it along this stationary boundary we also have severe thunderstorm watches out for tennessee north carolina line of trees down across the carolinas with big wins with the storms today during the day tomorrow. We'll see another pulse of energy that may very well timeout to be here in new york during the rush hour. It's gonna snarl some traffic on the grounded potentially again in the air today. David marciano always great to have you been there is new reporting tonight about jeffrey epstein. We now know how he killed himself. L. fan tonight the justice department taking action against the warden and two staffers who were supposed to be watching epstein. One worker wasn't even a corrections officer. Here's lindsay davis tonight. The first fallout from the jeffrey epstein suicide attorney general william bar ordering the warden to be pulled from the jail and temporarily reassigned signed to staff members on abc's unit placed on administrative. Leave pending the outcome of the investigations. This comes after sources. Tell a._b._c. news. One of the workers was not a designated corrections officer. Law enforcement officials says epstein used a bed sheet to hang himself the f._b._i. N._y._p._d. Scouring epstein private island sources tell us they're looking to find evidence of co conspirators epsteins inner circle including close associate g. len maxwell in announced two thousand fifteen indefinite nation suit against maxwell virginia roberts goo phrase says that maxwell recruited her to be a teenage sex slave to epstein. The training started immediately how to you be quiet. Be subservient. Give jeffrey what he wants. A lot of this training came from eland herself maxwell denies. The allegations in her whereabouts are unknown interesting to note a._b._c. News as witnessed a lot of activity on the island with people coming and going. There's been plenty of opportunity to remove potentially incriminating incriminating materials before the authorities arrived just yesterday. It was five weeks after his arrest and fourteen years after the first allegations were made david lloyd. Uh lindsay davis with us lindsay. Thank you overseas tonight and the mystery deepening after that deadly nuclear blast in russia of course russia at first saying there was no radiation well now we learned the radiation emitted was as high as sixteen times above the normal range. A._b._c.'s james longman is in russia tonight days off to that suspected nuclear clear powered missile explosion off the coast of northern russia me worry about just how much radiation was released just hours after the blast residents trying to take their own measurements soon after officials. I denied any fallout. Russian meteorologists now confirm that up to sixteen times the normal radiation levels were detected in the area not deadly. They still no independent information on readings closer to the blast. It's obviously not on the scale but even if there is no danger and i hope that there is no danger it's very worrisome that our government operates a with such of transparency russia insists the is safe but more mixed signals the government ordering an evacuation near the site then abruptly counseling it. The reluctance to release information reminiscent of russian denies decades ago due to the infamous nuclear blast chenobyl james longman with us live tonight from moscow and vladimir putin. We know james still has not directly acknowledged this accident. That's right david and he won't have cost one to talk about what russia considers military secrets but this does raise big questions about the kind of nuclear technology. He's he's trying to develop and the dangers that poses davis in moscow tonight james thank you and back here at home now and the trump administration's new rule for legal immigrants already here that would make green cards more difficult for those who apply for government assistance today the acting director of u._s. Citizenship and immigration services ken coochie nellie made headlines when when he told an n._p._r. Interview or how that famous phrase on the statue of liberty might be revised. Give me your tired and your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who you will not become a public charge. The new rule could impact hundreds of thousands of immigrants who come to the u._s. Every year to the economy tonight in another wild swing in the markets today a president trump back down on some chinese tariffs set to kick in september first the administration removing some goods from the list because of what they say are health safety and national security reasons and delaying until december fifteenth the tariffs on cell phones laptop computers toys clothing the president's saying the delay was in case the tariffs would affect shoppers during the christmas season that new sending stocks sharply up dow closing three hundred seventy two points higher recovering from yesterday's losses there was still much more ahead on world news tonight this tuesday listening to your conversations -tations facebook collecting audio and then having those conversations transcribed. We'll have more also tonight. The hot car rescue mother who accidentally locked her ten month old in the par and the frantic effort to save the child also tonight beat alligator attacks the woman badly bitten while walking dog. We do have news on her condition tonight. We we have more on the family tragedy at a national park as well trapped in their car during a sudden walk slide will tell you where this happened a lot more news ahead tonight operate back. The technology is supposed to make your life easier right. Don't let your business be limited by the software. You haven't place whether you're looking to replace or just considering sitting your options. Capterra is here to help you read thousands of real reviews on software options specific to your business needs at capterra dot com slash tonight with over eight hundred fifty thousand reviews of products from real software users. 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A. p. t. e. <music> r. r. a. dot com slash tonight capterra software selection simplified we turn tonight to the ongoing warnings about children and the dangers of being and left the car in this heat and florida tonight a mother accidentally locking her baby girl in an s._u._v. and then the effort to save her a._b._c.'s victor kendall from florida brinton moments with his mother police body cameras christina telford accidentally locking her baby girl in her keys inside her s._u._v. child's in distress stress the officer on scene notice mattie then ten months old ling unresponsive with their eyes closed tougher started her car using an auto start feature turning on the air conditioning but in minutes the car and the air shut off to offered cold onstar to open the vehicle her account expired and they couldn't help her head was to the side. She was limp. She was sweating. I looked at him and i said this isn't working. I said we have to break a window. The officer troy's bashing the window. A bystander gender comes over with a window punch officer using a hammer breaking through the less eventually unlocking the car. The nightmare was over matty back in her mother's arms. Thankfully this case last month was just a close call but so far this year thirty two children died cars according to kids in cars dot org david all right victor thank you to index of other news in the alligator attack in sun city south carolina sixty eight year old woman severely bitten on the leg and hand while walking her dog in her own own backyard. The elevator came from twenty five yards away. The dog survived. She was rushed to the hospital that gator more than nine feet long was captured and euthanized the family tragedy montana's glacier national park a fourteen year old girl was killed when a rockslide fell on top of her family's car shattering the rear window. Her parents and two other children were also hurt tonight. Placido domingo has been accused of sexual harassment the a._p. Reporting nine women have now come forward with allegations claiming. He pressured them into relationships by threatening their careers. He says the relationships were consensual. Concerts have been cancelled in san francisco invitation withdrawn in philadelphia and facebook confirming tonight at hired contractors to listen to and have been transcribed audio chats of users on its messenger app facebook says it wanted to make sure your voice messages were being correctly interpreted. The company says much like apple and in google. It paused the practice more than a week ago. Several big tech companies have come under fire for collecting audio clips of users from your device tonight here. America strong aung the grandson who said grandma. Why don't we have a road trip. They're still going brett ryan and his grandma joy embarking on their first road trip to a national park in twenty fifteen and she is great smoky mountains national park in tennessee. Grandma joyce spent her first night intent at age eighty five. She had never camped camped a night in her life. We arrive at one a._m. In the rain and she held the umbrella over my head while i put the tent together the majority of her life has been spent in this tiny ninety little town in ohio called dunkin falls the desert sand dunes speeches. All of that was was really something that she had yet to experience in life. They've taken five live road trips together already so far. We have traveled twenty. Five thousand miles across thirty eight states hitting twenty nine u._s. National parks wanted to boost memorable the great sand dunes national park in colorado. We walked across the the sandy landscape and up a sand dune and then she got down on the ground and i i said what are you doing. She said i wanna i wanna roll down that looks fun and i think it just tapped into some inner sense of childhood wonder in her she said how can you get hurt on the sand. You gotta give it that a world. You're only going to be here once right. You have fun getting back out. She did kept going visiting the grand canyon yellowstone joshua tree and glacier the national park. There was redwood national park to hey grandma. Where are we were in the middle of the road for us. How do you feel when you look at these trees and make you feel very small. Does it make you feel very young not me. I've talked to many miles and she's still walking texas and new mexico next tonight. We're cheering for grandma joy. We are thirty two more parks to go. She turns ninety next year. Grandma enjoy rocks. I'm david muir. We'll see tomorrow. Are you. 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1947: Mark Leibovich: "You can't fire" NFL owners

The Chuck ToddCast: Meet the Press

30:24 min | 2 years ago

1947: Mark Leibovich: "You can't fire" NFL owners

"Ladies and gentlemen, we invite you to meet the meet the Prentice depress. Welcome in nineteen forty seven. The meet the press podcast. My guest today is Mark Leibovich. He is the chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine and the author of big game. The NFL dangerous times leverage is also veteran of DC politics in two thousand thirteen published. This town a book about the political culture of Washington DC. He thought studying the NFL would get them away from covering politics. But thanks to a certain president in a certain Oval Office that is proved to be untrue. Markley barich. Welcome in nineteen forty seven. Good to be here. Chuck. So let me let me ask it just not bluffed way. 'cause out be honest. Mrs Todd who has already read your book cover to cover says. Yes. This town for the NFL. Wow. She just she just took my soundbite. Now. It actually is. It wasn't my intent. But it turned into it is that what did you look look might sort of initial idea for this as I love football have always loved football. I figure I just need a little break from the swamp. Right. Just need. I mean. The two thousand sixteen campaign was sort of kicking up, and I just found it very dispiriting. And and it was wanted to focus on something else a little bit. I mean, you know, it wasn't a fulltime job. But it was a nice side project and one thing I realized immediately is this too is a swamp. I mean, not only takes Trump out of it. It is a club. There are insiders. They're the same sort of fish bowl of media. People owners money people hangers on players coaches league office people team office people. Same rivalries sounds like K street Mitch congress in some ways, it is right now we have the White House to white has jumped in. But. No. So I that was the initial it wasn't dispiriting. But like, wow, there's a lot of politics here. And then you literally had the president or candidate for president of the United States. Just discovering football is a great sort of wedge issue that he just he rode well before Colin Kaepernick and decided that this would be a winner for him in that continues through this mid-term, you know, it's interesting. Book on one hand you look at it and like the NFL dangerous times. But the whole reason why we write about the that the NFL is having books written about this way is because it is so dominant. It is arguably the single unifying cultural recreational activity, we have in this country. Is there anything that comes close, no note hats, and if you look at TV ratings, I mean, the top seventy or seventy six of the top hundred top rated TV shows in twenty seventeen we're all football games in the last year fell or college either NFL or college, correct? And the one word that I would quibble with in in the description, you just gave was unifying. I mean unifying would have been true ten maybe twenty it now is as polarized, and you know, it's largely because of Donald Trump and not entirely it is now as polarized a cultural institution as we have. I mean, you have traditionally the left has really sort of been suspicious of the NFL. It's been you know, over the top patriotism. Yeah. Militarism violence, and one of the things Trump has done is. He's turned a good portion of the right against football too. He has sort of said, okay. These have been this is now I mean, look there does not firing these these anthem protesters. This is now a a great example of how we've become soft. It's it's permissive liberalism. It's political correctness every time someone wants to sort of be themselves. Someone throws a penalty flag. So that became a template through a metaphor for his larger make-america-great-again K. Feels like the reason they NFL is such a target is that they just haven't evolved, and I say evolved in this respect, I don't want to get in. There's a lot of ways to describe it. But number one in the way, it's financially set up. Okay. Let's just start with that. The fact that it is it is such a throwback. The fact that players have no very little rights compared to every other team sport. You know, no guaranteed contract. All of it. It it just feels as if and they've been slow on the medical responses and slow just they've been slow slow slow slow on the politics low. Not understanding the moment that we live in. They just seem to be is it is it just ten year is pick your pick your metaphor head in the sand. What is it? Well, first of all it is it is a league that is conservative. It's run by especially owned by thirty two owners, and they hire a Commissioner and the commissioners paid very very well. But the Commissioner Roger Goodell I'm here for the good of the game. I'm just looking sheets lobbyists for the thirty two owners. Correct. Who's the rain association? He has literally has a call sheet on his desk in which he knows exactly which owner he wins. The last time you talked to the, you know, Martha Ford the matriarch goal movie. The owner of the Detroit Lions Terry the owner of the buffalo. All right if like two three four weeks passed but before the buffoon then. Last conversation. He'll get on the phone. Make sure he knows what they're worried about what they need. So in in some ways, it's very insular. These are extremely I mean, they don't these people don't have to face election. I mean, you cannot I mean there's there's line from jed York who's the CEO of the San Francisco more than two years ago after he fired his third Goten three seasons. He said, well, look, you can't fire the owner. This was in response to the owner. We joked about it as fad he and look he was widely mocked for saying that. But it was the one really undeniably true statement, he made an whole press conference. And it's true. I mean, you cannot dislodge Daniel Snyder if you had to run for reelection in the you know in Redskins nation, he would lose like overwhelmingly would lose. And so there's that there there is I mean Roger Goodell. This is the second biggest entertainment company in in the country. Arguably after maybe, you know, Disney AT and T FOX push, you know, few in there, and they can have any CEO or any choice of CEO's thing. Why they they took someone they know Roger Goodell someone that has really he grew up in the league working then twenty three years old or something like that. When he started, and yes, and he knows the league he knows that. He's no nothing else. He's no nothing else. And look, I I don't think I mean, there's not a lot of fortune five hundred companies that would hire him to be there, you I'm obsessed with getting to know Roger Goodell for for for a variety of reasons, none of which have to do with football because he's the son of of a former US Senator and that just any US center. The first US Senator to stand up to Richard Nixon. I Republican US Senator stand up to Richard Nixon on the Vietnam war. And when I watch Roger Goodell, and I think about this. And I and I know how old he was when that happened. It was thirteen fourteen fifteen so you're as son you're very aware of your father. You're very aware. It is so clear to me he took leadership lessons from his father and his applied it and how he runs the league and how he handles things, but I'm cure. If the lessons are to be to do exactly the opposite of what his father did what an is that the lesson? That is a great question. I mean, he is obsessed with his father the fact that I have publicly mean why I've never been able to get Roger Goodell to do an interview with me. I the NFL Commissioner will just will not come on. He's come a previous NFL Commissioner's have done meet the press. He's done it before Charles Goodell did meet the press. I bet he would've Abedi did. And I've just because I wanted to have this conversation with any other. Yeah. I, you know, it's funny. I asked him a lot about his political background because I spent a Fairmount. I wouldn't say a few interviews with him. He's never he's not a great. Let me let me tell you the way. He's not a great interview. No, it'd be fun to have. I guess is. It's a book interviews a better interview with him than anything to his father was a US Senator from New York for me was appointed after Saudi case. Okay. So he replaced Bobby Kennedy was a Republican governor Nelson Rockefeller named him. And he was the first Republican was on board. That's right. He ended up losing to built a Buckley's brother if I'm not mistaken. Right. But this is after he turned against the Vietnam war. Nixon and all the anyway career Curto Roger Goodell Braxton with his father go obsessed with his father, and he saw his father. He spotted did the right thing you Roger Goodell has lost his career and lost his career. But Roger Goodell keeps on his wall of his office a copy of the Vietnam disengagement, actor whatever that Bill was called that his father. I think co authored or co cosigned, and he so he's obsessed with doing the right thing during circumstance like that having said that he just has been wanting to get reelected. He wants to keep the thirty two happy. Perfect example. Okay. Perfect example last year, he got a fair amount of credit for not caving to Jerry Jones Daniel Snyder, Bob McNair through the more conservative owners in the league McNair owns Houston. Texans Snyder the Redskins Jerry Jones the Dallas Cowboys. They all wanted him to just sort of put the hammer down and say, everyone must stand for the national anthem. This is an important issue. It's causing a lot of problems for us. We just got to resolve this. He didn't do that. He thought it would create a backlash. She also thought it would be the wrong thing. I mean, Braga Dell is a sort of patrician Republican. He's part of a wing of the Republican party. That is shrinking if it even exists at all anymore. He is very much of that tradition. But he's alternately propeller Republican he's he's a Rockefeller Republican. But he's a very conservative guy in his own sort of Rockefeller Republican sorta way he didn't think that was the right thing to do. And he sort of road that out Trump after a few weeks kind of lost interest. Penn State his walkout thing in Indianapolis. And that ended in look the numbers were sort of back to where they were by the end of the year the great playoffs great Super Bowl. And you know, I it was and so people I know a lot of players I talked to then if most of the owners are a lot of the owners, I talked to said look Roger actually kind of held firm. He did the right thing. He's got a new five year contract. Maybe we're going to see a Roger Goodell that actually may be AXA Cording to principles more in line with his father at this point. Then I don't know what happened. But in may like some owners, not the whole ownership it like a few powerful owners. And Roger Goodell said, okay. By the way, if you wanna protect you gotta stay in the locker room, otherwise we punish you. And it was a bizarre. And that the league office new probably within about a second maybe four hours that was a dumb idea Ma many of the owners were taken completely back. It totally pissed off the players it. I mean, it was a bizarre thing. I mean, they had road the thing out. I mean, they knew Trump was going to pipe again. But look Trump Trump's attacks on the league does it's proven that has a shelf life people who love football want to go back to football. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people who are going, absolutely nuts. When like the Vikings beat the saints on the last game in the first round of the playoffs last year. Head like a few weeks earlier vowed to be done with football because there was some terrible referee's decision or players. Healing or or something? And so that's where people want to gravitate back in for some reason. He just in Iraq Odell has I don't know if Jerry Jones got to him. I don't know if Rupert Murdoch got to him as sort of a condition of you know, FOX giving billions of dollars to the league for Thursday night office. That come from it might I don't know. I mean, but people like a large organization like five they were terrified of losing the NFL, even they are the worst slate of games of the week. So I I it's he has proven again. And again that he has he just wants to survive. He's like a lot of politicians today in which you know, in this this town principle itself perpetuation, Colin Kaepernick big court ruling. He he's going to get to depose some owners get to depose Roger Goodell. How petrified and they going to be on this. They're pretty petrified. I mean, they thought I mean, everyone I talked to up until this decision came down this week thought that this thing was going to go away. I thought there was zero. I mean, that's sort of thought. I mean, I didn't. I mean, and I don't think they had like some smoking gun Email where Roger Goodell. Hey, by the way, Elway situation that wasn't helpful. Yeah. John Elway said something to the effect. Well, he could have been in the league. And that was very, you know, it was misleading because he was referring to you know, a situation where I guess if he had. Left the forty nine. He would've had to take a huge pay cut. So it's like saying, yeah. Like, you could be in the league if you wanted to make like, you know, nine if you wanted to ninety percent pay cut or something like that. Anyway, that sort of indicated that there was a league that was a legal problem for them. He kind of backtracked. But he didn't really so that, but I don't know if that actually was was involved in the decision, but what's interesting this. They will now have a lot of very bad. People are a lot of people who are not great under pressure on the stand who could say some really goofy things as NFL. I was just gonna say these NFL owners really seem so out of touch. Yes. I mean, we've heard we've seen that the leaked audio of players owners where they were trying and Bob McNair, just keeping. He's comes across like. Yeah. Some southern white guy from the fifties. I what else to describe it without making disparaging. Well, he he bumped narrow and I spent time with him. He is he is that. He is. Okay. There was one moment. I'm a throwback. He's a throwback. Well, he's yeah. He's eighty look. He's eighty one eighty two years old. It's like he's in. He's not how many owners are over the age of seventy. I would say more than half. Maybe maybe third. Okay. Be m- aroused. We're getting the US Senate a few years ago when like, you know, Orrin Hatch was middle age and letting seventy two year old man. But you have people like Tom Benson of the saints just passed away last year. I mean, he was in his nineties marked the Fords internet nineties, you have a lot of people a lot of the owners who can't really come out in public for a lotteries. And I mean, you know, like, very sad. I mean, Pat bowl and the owner of the Denver Broncos has Alzheimer's. I mean, so it, but it's, but in a lot of cases, you have someone like Mark Davis in in Oakland jimmer say Indianapolis, Mike Brown's insanity you pretty quirky characters. Right. And I, you know, I got Kim Belsen my colleague of the time. I got this tape of this meeting this private meeting love when get tape of a private meeting between owners and players last October during the anthem crisis. And somebody's owner. I mean, look Terry Gula of buffalo was calling for. He said, we need a Charlton Heston, we need, you know, an African American Charlton Heston to be our spokesperson the way the NRA had Charlton Heston to be their spokesman said well, first of all Charlton Heston been dead for ten years. Second of all way. What has? All the players the meeting. We're like, well, why why can't like we why does that spokesman have to be black? And it was and he said, well, no not being. And then there was another moment. Stephen Ross the owner of the Miami Dolphins. Yeah. Called he said, I think we need to have a March on Washington with players and owners. Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Mr race. Look like, I don't quite know. But Mr. us had a dream. It seems like the that as much as we talk about the anthem and the culture wars, and there's no doubt. I think Colin capitals lawsuit is going to make it more problematic. Doesn't matter whether he wins or loses because the depositions are going to be problematic. Yep. To are to me, the real the real black Mark on this league. The real demand on this league. And how they run themselves these days as as a as an employment ploy is an employment institution is they do not pay the players for the risk that the players are taking with their own health. We can at some point you're going to be able to handle the concussion issue. If you pay the players for the risk. Commensurate to the risk. Okay. We, you know, you pay people more money, if they're willing to climb a light pole, you pay people more money if they're willing to to be far they're up on the building. NFL players are risk are shortening their life. We now know this. And they know some will are saying, okay, I'm willing to shorten my life in exchange for x. The NFL. No, they're going to have to guarantee contracts. They will resist it at all costs. I mean, it'll be really interesting to the next collective bargaining negotiation. And to the players who have never been United on this. I think they're gonna I think this is Kurt flood territory. I think this is and I think they'll have on their side. I mean, listen compared to when the west CBS was was renegotiated, you know, it'd be ten years by the time is comes up. There's a lot more known scientifically people just players are a lot smarter at least they should be a lot smarter. And and you're right. And and also, I mean, they see what contracts. I mean what Garin every every year? I mean, there are guaranteed contracts and other sports that just kept getting flashed before them. And there are some NFL players that are getting guaranteed contracts. Now, this has become something that, you know, certain star players are asking for and our place. Get it exact linemen need to get it. I mean, you know to be a DOE fits the quarterbacks to safest guy in the field these days, right? I mean, I'm not saying quarterback. They all are putting. In their lives. It knows putting their physical to safer. It's a it's certainly the they are the fine China of the football field, and there are all kinds of rules to protect quarterbacks. But no, it'll be look, I look I would demand it if I were playing I mean, but at the same time football is a really tough sport to union their union, but to strike on because very short season, very short careers, and again, it's sort of the military structure. It's like, this is there's sort of a, you know, command control like ethic in football that that, you know, prevails in in many, many ways we're going to see a lot more people that look like Aaron judge looked like defensive ends decide to play baseball. I'm just convinced that and I I don't blame him Garin. Judge would be a hall of fame defensive end. Could he's going to make. It's a lot safer for him to play baseball her Gibson. Yeah. Bron james. What do you wouldn't you love to see LeBron James of Android tight, end or? Yeah. You know, it'd be great. And of course, you know, LeBron James one of the many star. You know, celebrities said that they'd never let their kids play football. A little lighter here on this book since it's a heavy book. It's a light book. Heavy heavy topic about our about a sport that I love, and I just don't want it and be fixed. There's goofy stuff when every page Tom Brady. Yeah. This is your your your hero your idol. And yet you've got to be serious newsman. Mark leibovich. How do you did the snarky Markevic come out? Now sort of saw a little bit of Brady's Cortez Radi. Oh a little bit. Maybe a little bit. Look Tom Brady. I I'm very. The when he'd greeted you at the door. You know, it's funny. I did not get this. But people who have been to his house, currently, there's a Big Ben of the Giselle likes people to change into them because she doesn't like like regular shoes. Treading through the house, by the way, feeder ugly, and disgusting and gross. She's right. I'm with her. Gimme I that's a great idea. And I have a collection of eggs shed. Do that. But they'd sponsor meet the could get all kinds of cross perfect. And then you'll be you know, it would be it wouldn't be too ugly. You know, it might be actually it's interesting. I was Tom. You'll be glad note Tom Brady watches. I don't know if it was meet the press. But there was some morning show. I was like doing some goofy talking head thing on. And I got an Email from him saying, hey, look on TV talking about the election today. Look good. And I felt I got all fan. Boy. I said, hey, I saw you on TV on Sunday, Tom. You look good too. Like, hey, he thought I looked good. But no, he. Yeah. He's a I spent a fair amount of time with him. I liked him a lot. I am unabashedly. You know, we're best friend. I don't know. But you think you say you, and I both have spent so much time around politicians, and I feel like I know the ones that I thought let me in a little bit. And I know the ones that haven't here. Here's the thing. Eighty let you in in so much as I think he could look he he knows I'm reporter. He knows that. This is not a normal transaction. And I knew that, you know, writing story about him. I'm writing a book about him. So, you know, obviously, you have to be aware of that. I got I mean, the owners are much more political. I mean, were they're much much more like politics savvy little savvier. I mean, Robert Kraft spent a fair amount of time with the owner the patriots. I don't think he likes me. Now. I don't think he liked the way he was portrayed. And there was a big. I guess Boston is such a great parochial sports. And like, you know, I think I'm gonna cover the sports page today with Dan Shaughnessy column. It's great. But Jonah pathetic. Pending you should you should read. It does me a big sell if you're listening. Thank you, Dan. Honestly, sean. But, but no, I mean, it is it is interesting because in some ways as a political reporter over the years have tried to much as I can living here and being among the, you know, the world that we live in try to stay somewhat as an outsider if you can if it's possible, and it was much easier than football because that's not my world. I'm not a sports writer, and I think that made it easier in many ways because people figured okay, they didn't really know me at all they figured all right. Well, he, you know, politics. He covers politics. They all wanted to talk politics with me because you do realize that people care about politics, even if they're not political like, Tom Brady's always saying, I'm political. But like so what what's eating Donald could do it. You know, you say, hey, what's what's Brock Obama like, and and there was this weird scene? A couple years ago when the patriots won the Super Bowl and went to the White House, not not the Trump won the Obama one. And there were people just milling around afterwards. There's like Bill bell check meeting like Elizabeth Warren for the first time in like Bernie Sanders, like hanging around like like was sort of like awkwardly looking at Malcolm Butler who had just like, you know, nowhere by a few weeks earlier one of the and it's just like, but they all kind of curious about each other. And there was sort of looking at each other like what is going on here? And of course, you all thinking the other was zoo animal. Yeah. Or just not knowing what to make of it. Now is this watching. I mean, it's just I love those events. You just see everyone because everyone's like a fan of each other. But they don't know what to make of each other weirdly geared. Yeah. So I'll never. Yep. Anyway, that's a whole other thing. You did a you didn't exit interview with Paul Ryan. And you've done these interviews with Tom Brady who gave you more. That's interesting. Wow. A let me put it to you this way. The people came up a lot more people can up to me afterwards and said my God what was Tom Brady. Like, so sorry, sorry understand the risks level. I mean, did you feel no Brady gave me more Brady game more because he he can be very expensive. I mean, what's interesting about a guy. Like Tom Brady is everyone sort of there's a lot of people who assume he's just an airhead people just assume he's just a pretty face. He's not terribly. He's he's one track mind. Well, he is one track mind, and what's interesting gearhead. I think though that if he put his mind, whatever, you put his mind to I would take it that he would be if he were a Cy if if he were a chemical engineer. That's all he would think about the rate. That's what he yes. He reminds me a little of a computer programmer longtime ago, it was like a tech reporter, and you'd see these I there's this great little seen in this this documentary on Tom called Tom versus time. It was like on Facebook Facebook, and it got to let goofy attention for. Goofy things ago. He says this about how he might feel under appreciated his son. Weird. But the most fascinating scenes, and I've seen him do this. He was watching film on the computer and his dad, and he was just looking at it. He said, you know, I literally hours could pass. And I and like I would not notice that any hours pass it could be two in the morning, and I could be doing this for eight hours, and like no time, I'm just obsessed with and then you say he won't be on the phone with his his offensive. Josh Cincinnati preseason game number three two thousand and seven look at that. Look how the tell of the defensive back on third, and it was like, whoa. He's looking for things. Just and and that was a computer program that was like that was a coder at four in the morning who has the entire game in his head that I could never see. But like there's just like there's a glazed unis in his eye. That was just an incredible thing to what I don't know if we realize how I think some of the smartest people in. The country our quarterbacks, I don't think people realize the visual, my guess is most quarterbacks have a photographic memory. It you know, what saying not just quarterbacks though. I mean, it's linebacker lineman. I mean the level of sophistication that most of these positions require especially through middle linebacker the quarterback of the. Yeah. I mean, I would I wouldn't last a second in there. I mean, I wouldn't let second with a computer in a computer light place. I mean, you do realize, and that's I mean of the sort of classes of people I met in doing this book owners, you know, league office people the players to me are the most fascinating. I get the sense that when you look at the major sports that actually the most intellectually challenging sport for the player, not just the physical challenge. But the, but you know, is football football. Absolutely anything else. Not only that. But like, you know, the the level the studying they have to do. I mean, you cannot relax. It's the everybody would assume all the baseball players of the smart ones, the MSA not. They're not. You have to have a a brain that is highly young shinning. There's no for football than any other. There's is not think that it's the one that actually put your brain at that put your brain the most vulnerable, the sport that needs your brain. Yes. That's I didn't even think of that. But it's true. Wow. Yeah. No, you do you need a pretty sharp mind to play football. And and yet now, you're right. And it destroys you. It's it's I feel the guilt these days when I watch it when I see a hit that you think oh my God. That's really going to impact is and at the same time. I just love the game so much. Yeah. This is the same. My daughter's will sometimes say to me dad, how can you do that? Like, I get this a little bit this slow my wife same thing, and it's the same. And and you know, I'm lucky I have daughters Beauge. So so he didn't wanna play doesn't wanna play. Okay. And his grandfather played in the AFL is that right? And he sees Buffalo Bills Richard ta no, no, no, no, no, no. This is my my my wife's side. So I can't claim it. I always wanted to claim John Danny the long standards. Davis reading also is named Benny Russell. And he was a star quarterback at the university of Louisville. He replaced a guy named Johnny unites broke all of Johnny United says records at the time. That's an effect. Lamar Jackson only last year broke a the last record that my late father in law still held at the you're rushing touchdowns in a season. Really? Of course. Lamar Jackson broke it in the six game of the year. But wow. Anyway, he was it was a backup at the Bill. So we've always any good athlete. And so my wife has always had this. It'd be football. She's like, well, if you want, you know, he doesn't want to. So it's okay. Went out there. He loves baseball. He loves watching football. But he doesn't he doesn't want the physical. But it would have been. We were glad we weren't. I don't you know, there's a lot of peer pressure not to put your son in football and special judgment. There's a lot of judgment about it. And I believe in it as a team Bill nothing made me a better manager, I hope and working with others than football. There's but there's got to be a way to do it safer. You would think I mean, there might not be. I mean, look, it's an it's a dangerous sport. And we'll be at any speed. And we're just learning more. You know, you can do I think, you know, say for helmets rules. I mean, there are things you can do around the Mark. But then just competent just make sure people know what it is. And then you compensate them accordingly. I I would hope I mean like these owners are not they're conservative, they're greedy. They're so wealthy. And look, I it's just not gonna I'm gonna leave it with us. The number one thing I hope that happens way for your book is that you you have shamed. The networks into stop showing owners the owner. But you hope I hate that. I hate him with you. It's so who grass? That's what bothers me. I so I went off on this. So Robert Kraft head of the bri-. We're wrapping up here. I'm getting all Bill Simmons like we're just gonna see the owners like, okay, we have to see like the billionaires highchairs you do it Yaman craft. What do you write the check with your right hand or left hand? Does this kalibbala? Like we have to like in the Roman in the color upper thumbs down from that plan actually comparing any owners to collect. It's just make that perfectly straight. And every anyway read the book, it's I think people like it. It's actually people people the early feedback spin great, and I need to like be excited because I am. Well, you should be congratulations. The next Sal paolantonio, Margaret, which is going to move from politics to sports like our buddy essay paolantonio, South County. I knew the hair already I need the hairpiece. Yeah. Okay. We will leave it there really going to get a piece, you know, whatever gets me on TV to like just on the sideline. Bob wanna fit in as long as you. Look like, Mark Davis hairdo. It's great. It's actually the first page on the photo insert. And we could talk all the living daylights outta me. The Mark Davis photos. All right. Thanks very much. John in nineteen forty seven. Meet the press podcast subscribe for free and apple podcasts. 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"Hot for teacher"

Skullduggery

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"Hot for teacher"

"It may have been the most notorious Email ever. A few words banged out on an iphone, promising incriminating information on Hillary Clinton straight from Kremlin files the Email written to Donald Trump, junior led to the notorious meeting at Trump Tower in which top Trump campaign officials met with a delegation of Russians, a pivotal event in the unfolding of the Russia scandal. Now, the author of that Email music publicist, rob Goldstone is speaking out about how he came to write the mail and what happened during the meeting that followed. We'll discuss that and his insights into other mysteries about Trump's Russia ties and we'll give you our take on the cavenaugh confirmation battle on today's episode of skulduggery. There is absolutely no collusion. I didn't make a phone call to Russia. I have nothing to do with Russia. Everybody knows him because people have got an. Whether or not their president's? Well, I'm not a crook. I told the American people. I did not trade arms for constitutes my heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true. But the facts and the evidence, tell me it is not. I did not have sexual relations with that woman. The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently saw significant quantities of uranium from Africa, but he times have to answer this question is their rooms. Michael Isikoff chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo news. I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo news, you know, climate. I've been waiting to talk to rob Goldstone for quite some time. He's such a mysterious, but key figure in the whole Russia's scandal. But before we get to him, we gotta deal with this with the cabinet confirmation fight such gut wrenching political Fedor before the judiciary committee on Thursday. And yet the Republicans are moving ahead with the vote. They are and it. It's possible that by this weekend, they'll pass procedural votes. And early next week he'll be confirmed. There are still are. Couple of Republican senators who have not come out and said what they're going to how they would vote. So. There may still be drama to come. But right now it looks like the Republicans have momentum again, and it's really extraordinarily. I mean, the the day of the hearing was like emotional whiplash for the country because as you watched we, yeah, we all thought that Cavanaugh was through after watching a doctor Ford scripting. Testimony. Yeah, absolutely. And it wasn't just us. It was Republicans. They were. They were in in despair. You could see it all over Twitter. We were, you know, people reporting that President Trump himself was furious that his aides hadn't fully explained to him how credible she was going to be. And then you know he, he testifies. He comes out with that barn burning opening statement really angry, really emotional. But if executive in terms of rallying Republicans rallying his base. Which is a weird way to talk about a supreme court nominee. But in this tribal age, you know that that that is what it comes down to the. You know, the part of his opening statement that really grabbed me was the was the reference to the this being the attacks on him being a product of, yeah, anger over the two thousand sixteen election of Donald Trump and revenge on the behalf of the Clintons. That was such a revealing line because it showed, you know, we've talked so much about how the echoes of the Clinton impeachment battle are still with us today. And there was a glaring example of it. Cavenaugh the course had been a part of the conservative warriors who were investigating Bill Clinton. He worked for Ken Starr he made a lot of enemies while he was in that in. That position and you know his comments were not. I can understand why he said them. Let's remember, Brian Fallon, who is the was the spokesman for the Clinton campaign has been leading the super attack, a super Pac attack on on on Brett cavenaugh running ads against him. You had people like Paul Begala and David Brock out their old clintonistas going after cavenaugh, but his comments and the way he took that and talking about revenge of the Clintons certainly raised a lot of questions about Adam minimum his judicial temporary. Well, let me say two things about this one is and I've been saying this all along that Brett cavenaugh is a jurist with in some ways, the soul of a political operative, right? And he grew up in in Washington. In in in government in the Bush administration in this kind of culture of take no prisoners and never admit defeat win at all costs politics and. I think that a lot of that came through at at at the hearing, the other thing I would say is just goes to your point. Look, he can be legitimately angry about what's happened to him and what and how and what his family has had to go through. But at the same time tactical and using this to his advantage, which which I think he has. He has done and it does raise real questions about temperament in about judicial demeanor for him to be so angry and so partisan. And we're going to be joined by our colleague, Lisa Belkin who's done a lot of reporting looking at the Nita hill, Clarence Thomas hearing and how it is similar and different to what we've just gone through. But one thing I and maybe lease it, we'll know more about this than I do. I don't remember Clarence Thomas going. After Democrats on the committee in quite as explicitly partisan way as Brett capital did call his his confirmation, a high tech Lynch. Absolutely. You know what we have Lisa right here with us, Lisa Belkin. Thanks for joining us on skulduggery. Good to be here. And yes, it was. It was quite a show yesterday. So give us your takeaway, what you you watch the whole thing you wrote about it? Who did you find more credible. There were a number of different audiences. So you called it political theater? It was. It was political theater, and there were many, many audiences, and the one that I spent the most time interacting within watching was not the one who was looking at this in terms of politics, which which you guys just analyzed incredibly well. But the ones who were looking at it through the lens of either women who still feel wronged by what happened with Clarence Thomas and Anita hill who still see that as evidence of government, not listening to them and not hearing them back then and women today who have either personal experience with or or in our from the world of sexual assault and abuse and discrimination. And they were looking to this as an example of, okay, will she be heard we'll she be listened to? And so the parallel. To what happened with with Thomason hill and and Kevin on Ford were stunning for a while. It looked like this was completely different and, yeah. Well, at halftime. If you wanna call it that we all thought he was done. I thought he was done. You thought he was done on? She was powerful. She was compelling. She was in many ways every woman who has ever taken on a powerful man and she was appealing, which she had to be, which is the double standard. Totally the way that Brad Kavanagh had right. She would've been finished now. She if she had come out and been straightened, if she had raised her voice, if she had, you know, discussed herself as grieved, then yes, she would have been done and she managed to look like someone who clearly believed this happened and. Was completely consistent in her story was honest about what she didn't know. So it was not like, you know, she's peddling as fast as she can to make this all makes sense. She agreed. It didn't completely make sense, which is consistent with everything we know about sexual assault victims and what they remember and what they don't remember. The looks on the faces of of both Republican and democratic senators told volumes about the the Democrats were former openly, emotional, the Republicans were, they didn't want to go near this. They didn't want this to happen. They noon advance. They weren't going to want this to happen. They, they made sure they didn't have to repeat the optics of ninety one in actually interview her, but even so it looked like they were, you know, hiding as far as the possibly could behind the the female assistance that they hired to. She was in a tough position and the will we'll get to. What I think is the most interesting moment in in her question in a second because. At the start. It looked as though she was in just as bad a position as any man would have been trying to to interview Ford that you know with the five minute time limit and she, she couldn't get a line of questioning going, and she was getting no traction because Ford was so open and amiable and eager to please. And so the anything she, she doesn't even seem to notice some of the time that she was being accused of things by by the prosecutor, not accused, but she was. She seemed to be doing a wind up for a Gotcha mobile. There were there were jobs being set that Ford not only didn't fall into. She seemed to not notice that they were there as the the prosecutor was trying to prove that, well, it was a convenient excuse to say. You didn't. You're afraid of flying and she was just like, yeah, isn't it terrible. I have to do it so much. I mean, she was a completely open book. Made me think we were seeing the fifteen year old version of her. The one who was so eager to please and the good student, and she was never going to, you know, tell her parents this because she was doing something she wasn't supposed to. And maybe it was probably her fault. And I mean, that was who we saw in the morning. And then. Kevin came out swinging and booming and shouting and watching Twitter and my, you know, my text feed and the people who I was sort of keeping in touch with during all of this. Those who remember the Clarence Thomas hearings who were there who were of age who were affected by it. They were the only ones at halftime who weren't saying, yeah, he's done. I mean, they weren't with all the book, keep bookies online, whose odds of him being confirmed were plummeting. They weren't buying the fact that Trump was in the White House ready to pull the nomination because they remembered that this happened in ninety one also that everyone believed Anita hill that people were holding their breath. They were stunned, they couldn't believe what this woman was saying and saying with such a thority and such conviction. And then he came. Came out swinging, and I predicted that he was gonna come out swinging because I didn't think he had any other options. He had done that. I thought somewhat disastrous Fox News interview, right? Where he was robotic and feeling Samy kept repeating the same fair processing. Just want a fair process and the whole thing about, you know, believing in the dignity of women which he repeated over and over again, like talking point that he'd memorize and so he couldn't afford to do that again. I thought he was going to have to come out with a really strong emotional argument. And really it was an outburst. What I didn't think was that it would be as effective as it turned out to be. And I think it was because you know, this is this is political theater. This is this is it is post or pre factual because we don't have enough facts to really assess who is telling the truth for sure. And so in that kind of void, theater becomes the most important thing. And I think that's what happened and look. I mean, Senator coons made what seemed like the only compromise split the difference proposal you could come up with in this sort of circumstances is let's take a one week, pause, have the FBI go out and interview these witnesses and then come back to us. It's not likely going to resolve anything even if you had the FBI go out and do that, but it least you're going through the motions of making an effort to get at the truth shows. Good faith. Yeah, it shows good faith, but look, this is not a fact-finding exercise. This is not an exercise about getting to the truth. This is about winning right on and and those are the words that Mitch McConnell us. And I gotta say, I think that Michael avenue Hoti played a role here with. That you know, last minute dump of a witness, nobody ever heard of before making these seemingly, you know, wild claims about gang-rapes with no corroboration of any of it, no witness. She did not even accuse cavenaugh of doing, although it'd just be free. He was very, he secreted umbrage at the fact that he'd been accused of being a gang member rapists, where is that was never reject. By the way, let's not forget the quay lose so many things in retrospect, set this up so that, yes, it was political theater, and the final act was clear from the beginning. We just know it on avenue Eddie. I mean, if it turns out as it sounds like it, it, it will that particular set of allegations has no real foundation that's pretty harmful to the cause of women and people generally who. You know, you know who who want to make sure that Justice is done to people who who have been sexually assaulted. Right. I mean, because that is the audience that is distraught right now because there was a a moment where it looked as though this wasn't ninety. One that people did believe her, that all the changes that have happened that all the context that you know of me too and an all their their anger, and they're being triggered over the past few years that all of this had changed things. I wanna I wanna follow up on that because and this drama has not fully played out yet. There still could be surprises between now and when there's a final vote. But at this moment I'm just going to ask you to to to be clear voyage for for a moment. And if looking back, say what Clarence Thomas was twenty seven years ago. Yes. Thank you. So looking back, let's say. With that, that amount of distance and time, what kind of moment do you think this will be? Is this going to be an important inflection point? What? What is the the meaning of this of this particular cultural moment? I think we'll know a lot of the answer to that in November and what that translates into. I got a text from from a partisan in the middle of all of this saying, it's like some sort of bizarre, Hobson's choice. Do we get do we lose this seat and gain the Senate? And there's the feeling that this anger may will translate into far more of a victory than there would have been in November. I play devil's advocate for a moment here. You know, Danny mentioned this is not a criminal trial, so Br raises questions. What are the proper standards? But Lisa, you're a veteran. Journalists worked for the New York Times for many years. If Christina Ford had come to you and told you this story about something that had happened more than thirty years ago and had been as compelling as she was in her testimony on Thursday, and then. She couldn't tell you when it happened where it happened, how she got to the party, how she left the party and you couldn't find any witnesses to corroborate what she was saying. Would you have been able to write a story for the New York Times about heraldic Gatien's. Yes, I think that would know. With the level of corroboration that we have now, in other words to keep saying, no, corroboration is not entirely true. There are people who describe a Brett Cavanaugh back then who is consistent with the the young man that she crying Salat, right? And blacks out. There are people who say to to say, I do not remember that happening is very different from saying that didn't happen or that couldn't have happened. So he kept saying four people have absolutely denied that it happened. Won't know. They didn't one of them. Actually, yes. One of them actually said, you know, I believe her one of these four who he's using as as in his own defense. I think that on the level of a supreme when someone is going for the supreme group, but I, I didn't ask you that I asked you if. You could have written a story about it. Let me climb. I'm saying. That's why I would have written the story because he was a supreme court nominee. Someone Belkin Senator would you have? Would you have published a story based on the evidence that we have on doctor Ford's account? I think I'd say Lisa, let's get the f. b. i. to invent. No, no seriously talk. We should have power to things. One is look. If you're in the the the, the journalism metaphor, you know, you just take more time, right? I mean, what's? What's what's so you take another week another two weeks and and and you see you gather enough reporting, you find those people who were there on July first where she mentions bulls knows four, right? But actually as the New York Times is pointing out the proper metaphor may be, and this was the Democrats position. You know, you're, it's not writing a story about red cod cavenaugh it's, would you high or about lazy affords allegations is, would you hire Brett cavenaugh? So that's to me an easier question to answer. If someone raised the the, these kinds of allegations against Cavanaugh who you you're interviewing for a job, and you know the. Person who brought these allegations to you was credible, and some of it was corroborated, but it would give you serious poets also the standard to which we hill. Trump's accusers, there have been numerous stories of people who accused Trump of doing things that he denies he did and the only evidence in the story, the New York Times stories included are. This is what she said. So yes, absolutely. Well, virtually for the purpose of this exercise, we don't have more time because we have to get to rob Goldstone. So Lisa, thanks for joining us on skulduggery. Thank you. See what comes next back again. Lisa. Really back with more skulduggery. Okay. And now we are joined by rob Goldstone. The author of what may be the world's most famous Email of all time, and also the author of a new book Popstars pageants and presidents how an Email trumped my life Trump is all in caps. Rob, welcome to skulduggery pleasure. Nice to be here. So I've got one question to start off with you, which is that you and I met actually back in March of two thousand seventeen. When I was beginning my research for Russian roulette and you were amazingly forthcoming, we had drinks, you told me all about Donald Trump and his relationship with the Galera ops, his trip to Moscow in in November two thousand thirteen all of which was included in the book. But you didn't tell me about the Trump power meet. Eating and do you know why? Well, that is my first question for you. I know I, you know, I could just imagine people's will gas when I says, 'cause I'd forgotten all about it. Oh, come on. No, I honest. And when this story broke, I was overseas after it died down a little. I thought. I bet my is the cost that thinking you didn't tell me about. I am telling you it never, you know, I was so angry that meeting, and I was so angry being put in that position and embarrassed more than angry about the Trump Tower. The Trump now meets, you know, that was amazing. Was that just when I'd said to 'em and afterwards, who was my client? You know, I never want to talk about this meeting again. I must have somehow blocked from my mind because when we met never even entered my son. 'cause you know, we just chatted about all kinds of things. It wasn't. They it to me. It was an embarrassment about adoption. I, I knew nothing of Magnitsky at the time. I didn't understand the relevance. Now I should literally be a paid spokesman to explain to everyone what the Magnitsky act is. All I do is hear about Magnitsky day and night. Okay, let's rob was back up for seconds. So for the listeners out there who don't know the origin of the famous Trump Tower meeting, you're you tap out this Email. Just tell us what happened. I got a call from my client Managua of who I not only did public relations full, but I also had managed for about three years and he called me and he's the, he's the son of a Raza Galarza who's who's a fairly, you know, middle range oligarch. He really isn't what he's portrayed, which is one of the top oligarchs in Russia. At the time when Donald Trump described him as the richest man in Russia has come to see me. He was the fifty fourth richest man in Russia. So are you suggesting that Donald Trump was exaggerating only could have been one of the rare occasions? Yes, I'm sure. But even aroused seemed when it was translated to him seem so embarrassed by this because he's tens of billions of dollars away from being the richest man in Russia so and had called me and said that that moaning a well-connected attorney had met with his father who was either a current or a full MC prosecutor. I can't remember which of those he said, but it was one of those. And one of the meeting with the trumps. Because they have potentially damaging information about illegal Russian funding to the Democrats and the campaign I was stunned in the time I've met with eminent and known him and we'd become friends. He never talk politics. He'd never said anything other than what are you think I should do for my next music video? My next single my next album. That's the world I lived. I lived in egos. I didn't deal with this kind of thing. So I needed more information. I said to him, well, who's this attorney? And he said, well, connected, I said, what does that mean? Well connected? And then I flip in Lee said, connected to what a plug socket, the power grid, and there was a silence. But to me, it was you can push people so far and you know, if you're going to get an answer and if you're not in this was one of those occasions. And then I said, well, what is this information? And he stopped it in its tracks and just said, it doesn't matter. All I need you to do is just get a meeting. You don't have to go to the meeting. You don't have to report on it. You don't have to attend. And I said to him, you know this, the really bad idea. Nothing good could come from this and you know a lot of people have speculated why I said that it had nothing to do with the concert. I didn't care about the concert. I can't about selfishly for him more than me. But for me a little, we had a kind of relationship with Trump's. One of them's running to be the president of the United States. I wanna keep a favor in my back pocket. You don't wanna use up chats on random attorney offering information that I, he can't even explain to me what it is, and that's why I said it and yet. And yet I wrote an Email and lead la- just for our listeners can remember because this Email probably did more to fuel and inflame the Russia's scandal than any other development since. President Trump took office and I just want to read it and then have you dissect it for it could have cringe in check. These are your words. Set on June on June third, two thousand sixteen smack in the middle of the campaign good morning, and this was the Donald Trump junior m just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. The crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father ARIS this morning, and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but is part of Russia and its governments support for Mr. Trump helped along by ARIS and. And can you just read the final line of that? Because I'm going to refer to that which the part I just read helped advi along by ARIS, and but then after that, I believe the most important line in that Email was to show my skepticism oil on my inability to know exactly what I was talking about. I go, what do you think the best way to handle this? And is it best if you speak directly with Ammon about this? Right? I'll I'll happily talk about all the Email, but to me, that was the most important thing for me because I believe and I've always believed my Email didn't get the meeting my Email go to cool. And so I wanted to put that in there as a publicist for many years, I would never suggest that somebody I'm pitching would speak with my clients directly. Otherwise, what's the use of me? I've just done myself out of a job. In this case, it was the number one thing for me. Just have a conversation about it and I wash my hands of it. Okay. But let me just a couple of phrases in there that leaped out to everybody at the time fischel documents that would incriminate Hillary. Very high level and sensitive part of Russia and its governments support for Mr. Trump. So let me see if I can explain. How that was what that Email was supposed to do. And why chose those words? I'm surprised that you actually didn't start out with chrome prosecuted because the media lost its collective mind over this one. I'm back to that. But that to me can be explained away it for anybody listening whose English they will understand all prosecutors, a crown prosecutors. I grew up when I started journalism, they're isolated a bit of Lawrence, a crown prosecutor. I've always called prosecutors even in this country, crime prosecutors there akin to a federal prosecutor. I was talking about that attorney, whoever it was 'cause eminent said, either occurrence or a former prosecutor, I, as you helpfully pointed out in the book that Russia hasn't had a crown for the czar nNcholas. The second was overthrown in nineteen. Seventeen. Exactly. And I never well anyway. So to answer your question because Emon had said that this attorney was connected and was a current or former prosecuted in my mind when you stay connected, this is Russia and they're offering potentially. That's the government, whether it's local state Kremlin. There's a government involvement there. She's not connected. You know, to the local rotary club, the lions club. She's connected in my mind to the government. If somebody who's connected to the government has this kind of information will I believe, rightly or wrongly it is sensitive and it is high level, but it's just my assumption. So by your own admission you were engaging in, I think you're was puffery writing this, but it was informed puffery I would say this wasn't many people's sets out, so you made up see my said, no, I didn't make it up. I made what Emmons said better. I used what I believed he was saying and puffed it, which is what a good PR man does what which is what they asked me and Senate Judiciary, which is public record. Have you on other occasions in your Rosa publicist ever puffed up an Email? And I said, yes, on all occasions. And they also smile, but it's true. Otherwise, why via publicist, I, you know, I could be many things, but that is what I do. I have to get people's attention because he five actually sends an Email that said, hey, Don lemon. Just call me. I have no idea what he's talking about, but apparently some random lawyer. Met with his father has some information, but he didn't wanna tell me, but maybe he'll talk to you on. No one would answer that Email. I would Email. Okay. Well, let's go back to the point you were making before, which is that this meeting alternately didn't. If I understood you correctly, did not take place on the basis of your Email, but the phone call, I believe that net and that phone call was between Don Jr. an Enin and has been a lot of talk of that because originally. Attorneys who represent the Delara of and and the talian. All kind of said there was no coal. It never took place that it's just pure fantasy. Then that was rolled back. Then Don Jr. testified and said, he believed there were three short coals of some description, but couldn't remember what was said. And then recently Emond did an interview with vice on HBO in which he said we did speak, and he said, what they talked about, which seemed extremely vague to me because it was very much along the lines of, hey, there's somebody and it could be useful to you. Maybe it would. Maybe it isn't that maybe the information's good, and if you can do a meeting, that's great, but if you count, that's also great and apparently the end of it according to Don Junius said, that's great. If you're asking me to do that, I'll do that for you had had never told you he had talked to Don, you know. So you didn't know whether that your invitation or suggestion that the two of them talk ever came to fruition or not. I didn't know. But about thirty minutes after the Cole was due to take place, and I believe had taken place Don Jr. E mail being just said, hey, thanks, rob fa- throw your help d which is done and Ammon ashore. While eight said, now you can set up the meeting for Thursday, June Nive, which I took to me. Well, now you can because I've just spoken about it then to emphasize that Cole Don went and by the way Paul Manafort the campaign chairman will be joining the meeting as we'll my brother in law. Jared, Kushner, Maya reaction was okay. That must have been an interesting coal because up until then, all I've ever asked for was for some random attorney to meet with Don June, but come on didn't occur to you. You've put some pretty heavy information and your puffery Email here talking about the Russian government's interest in supporting the Trump campaign. It's not at all surprising that this would get communicated to the campaign manager Mr.. Manafort and Jared, Kushner, right. Not it's yes. No, I don't think it's it's, you know, people say to me a lot, shouldn't you have known? Shouldn't you have stopped the meeting? You rub ghosts and shouldn't you have called the FBI and I go, we'll wait. Paul Manafort was the. He must have been informed about this and he's a far more savvy political operative than me who some music publicist from England. I'm not that savvy. He's currently in jail long prison terms. Let me ask you this because I mean you were saying before that it didn't even occur to you to bring this meeting upright s a coffin you guys met, but when you the when you emailed Don Trump junior about the meeting and what the Russians would be able to offer the Russian government would be able to offer. He writes back and says, if it's what you say it is our love it, especially later in the summer. What what was your reaction to that? Or did you have no reaction? No, I did have a reaction. I read it and still believe there's an element of this. If it's what you say it is. I love it, especially later in the summer, and then I believe he says an either I think you'll ride or why don't I just speak with them in about it. So I was like two Fatu. He's got it. If it's what you say it is, I love it to me means I don't know if it is or it isn't, which is the one thing I was trying to convey. This was such a. Dramatic Email that I mean, it was fairly all laid out in front of you is a bit too perfect. Like if I'd receive something like that, I think all of this is there in writing and black and white. So when he went, if it's what you say it is, I love it. And then maybe I should just speak with them directly. I thought, well, he obviously realizes that he needs to hear this from the horse's mouth. So I thought it was too Fatu. Okay. But what I'm asking I guess is did it occur to you? Did you think that perhaps in responding to this that the Trump campaign might be engaging in a little political skulduggery to use the word I didn't and. I don't know if that's because I didn't grow up here. I don't know if it's because I didn't show much of an interest in politics. I don't know if it's because I was a useful idiot. It's Christopher Hill hilson or if I was in idiot. I mean, I will take about if necessary. But the point is it never occurred to me. What occurred to me was I can wash my hands of this entire thing. He's going, if it's what you say it is. I love it. Great. He's not sure. Should I speak to avenue. Right. Thank you. And once they had that Cole, I never cared about it again. Okay. Couple of a couple of quick questions here. First of all, as you know, congressional investigators have discovered that shortly after Don Jr. has his phone call with our Aguilar off. There's a phone call with a blocked number, and a lot of people have speculated that that was his father, Donald Trump. Do you think it was likely from everything you know that this would have been communicated to Donald Trump. So obviously, I don't know who that Cole was too, but. Would it have been communicated to Donald Trump? This goes hand in hand to me with the question d Donald Trump? No, the meeting was taking Joyce. Exactly. And the only way I really feel comfortable able to answer that is. If my father was running for the president of the United States, and I was taking a meeting with a bunch of Russians with whether it's hell position, research, dirt, or whatever you wanna call it in a conference room. That's your conference room, a floor to below way. You're sitting in your building that Baz your name with your conference with your campaign chairman and your son in law who's my brother-in-law? Human nature would tell me that I would tell my father. That's that. No, that's the only way I can say. I don't know how somebody wouldn't, but I don't know that he did. All right. Let's let's go to the meeting itself because you give quite detailed account of what took place during this session. As you pointed out originally, you didn't even think you were going to be in the me. You're just going to escort this delegation of rush. Russians led by Natalia vessel the sky. The lawyer in question, the so-called crown prosecutor who did have ties through the. FSB but was not a official prosecutor. You meet her just that day for the first time time in the lobby of Trump Tower and not only do I meet her, but I, maybe I am. I'd forgotten the same is I forgot to tell you about this. I'd forgotten to tell Don Jr. that day just as I was leaving. She sent me an Email saying, I'm bringing to other people with me to this meeting, and I simply wrote, bring you, you want, just make sure they have security. So we're not held up. All I care about was getting these people in without any problem. So when she arrived and I have allowed say was the who represented the Guy Laroche who I knew really well, because I'd worked with him on other projects for them. And I see these other two people who are all these people, why the four people, I'd forgotten that she'd said this. So when I said to me, you've met dome before, can you introduce us and do the hand of what I was also thinking was I've not told Don Junie that is actually. Now four people coming to this instead of one person and a translator. It's a great opportunity to say Hello, this two additional people that I should have told you about. That's how I happened to get upstairs and then don't said to me, why don't you stay? So you can just see escort these people out at the end is going to be a short meeting anyway. And again, as a publicist, and as just there was no reason, why wouldn't I state? But I have to say before you was the best thing I ever did was stay. If I hadn't stayed an all of what's been said would have been said about this meeting will I would never have known, but I was in that meeting and what took place in the meeting. We sat down. I ended up sitting next to Jared, Kushner, Don Sutton next to Paul Manafort and then the attorney had her people around that she had to translate I and this other gentleman she brought with her and don't invited her to present whatever it was. She had to say, and she stood up and I don't really remember because I didn't pay a huge amount of attention to any of this, whether she spoke entirely in Russian and it was all translated or whether there was a little bit read that may have been in English, but she started this kind of quite monotonous prison, toning roaming monotonous presentation about how wasn't it awful. How people like Bill Browder and Ziff brothers, donate money to the Democrats. And when she said this, I kind of looked over dungeon. I look back and I thought the the kind of not pardon me wanted to say, didn't your father used to donate money to the Democrats. Also, this doesn't sound terribly interesting and she it was about that that she was going on, they hadn't paid taxes. It was money that should have been paid in Russia and taxes, and it was being to the Democrats. At which point Jared, Kushner suddenly said, I have no idea what you're talking about. Could you possibly focus and try to get and to my horror, whether it's a translation issue or whether it is what it is she started this monotonous presentation from the exact same point and rambled on again for what seemed like an eternity, but was probably just a few minutes. Don Junie looked like he was getting up. I thought to stop the meeting. So I texted I said, you have to stop this. It's obviously irritating our hosts, this during the Laura texting to cover, and he nodded as if an agreement. But suddenly she said, what I really want to talk about is the issue of the Magnitsky act and the effect it's having on the adoption of Russian children by Americans. And so for me who knew nothing, I'd never heard of Magnitsky. I'd never heard of the act. I was like, wait, when now having a meeting about adoption. And I texted I again and said, why are we having a meeting about adoption? And he again, looked to me like, this is weird. And she spoke for a couple of minutes at which point Don Junius stood up and said, I've no idea why you would address this to us because my father is a private citizen. I would suggest you address it to the Obama administration at which point I stood up and said, thank you very much and literally herded them out like farm animals, and I hung back to apologize to John and said, I've no idea. And he's, he actually said to me, I have no idea what that meeting was about. Don Jr. said to me, didn't did has an tell you on that sky in some of our interviews suggested that Don Jr. did say something along the lines of maybe we can do something about this. Once we get in office, she has suggested that as someone who was there and I don't recall every would of what was said. My recollection is as they were leaving, she said, maybe it's something you can look at in the future and he didn't answer. And I know he didn't answer because I was stood with him. They were already. Heading towards the door. I don't recall anybody offering anything doing anything in the same was people have said maybe Jared said that he left in the middle of this. I don't recall that happening either, but I really was paying like sort of Hof attention because it wasn't my meeting to control. But what it was was my kind of reputation on some level, and there was a selfish part of this as you said early like I wanted to keep favorable to in my back pocket. The very thing I'd warn them in about that. This could be a horrible idea. It could be embarrassing had now transpired, so I apologize to don't junior and he just sits me Gino how many meetings I actually do. He goes, I just have no idea what this was about, and I apologize and we walked out manful. It was just slightly in front of us and to make, I suppose myself look better a bit. I said, oh, by the way, a friend of mine works for vk which is the Russian version of Facebook and is trying to set. A page from Mr. Trump candidate Trump is Dansk Gavino the right person to contact Manafort said yes, Don, not. And I said, thanks very much that would later become another store. Dansk Gavino was the social media manager for the Trump campaign. How did you know that? Because I had emailed Rhona Graff who was Donald Trump's assistant when my friend vk had first suggested this idea, and she had said maybe Dansk Gavino is the right person. So I was trying to a confirm that, but I was doing it in a way that I thought made me look good. Like we've just had an embarrassing meeting a will. Look his another idea. I can give you, but it was about the name. Was that the correct person? So rob your bottom line is that this meeting. Although it's gotten a ton of attention and and you've written a book that's largely about it. If the end of the day is not really that important. I think the meeting. I, I've always believed the meeting was a bait and switch. But over the last year I've come to learn how important the switch was because before that friends that I would say this to be like, well, why would they do that? This is what I think. I don't know. It's true. There are people smarter than me trying to work this out. She was a lobbyist very well known lobbyist for the Magnitsky act. Let's lane admits we need to explain what the Magnitsky act is passed by congress to play sanctions on Russia, human rights, abusers, it's named after Sergei. Maintenance Bisky who was the accountant lawyer for Bill Browder who was being prosecuted by the Russian government after they had seized his the assets of his hedge fund. And so she was lobbying against to have the wheel of the repeal of the Magnitsky act and the Russians to punish the Americans by default had imposed a ban on the adoption of Russian children by Americans, which I have also learned is a very big deal for people who want according to talk to me blonde blue eyed children. This is like the place they went. I mean, it sounds very Matra fact, but the more and more people I've talked to said, that's a very big point. So I believe that she always wanted the meeting to lobby for the removal of Magnitsky the dangling of the carrots of the dirt. If you think about it was still connected to. Nikki because it was about Bill browser and the Ziff brothers donating money to the democratic campaign illegally in her opinion. So I understand it may be when she says it was always about Magnitsky, but there was still the dangling of the carrot it was never specified that it was about these people. Why would she do that? We'll when I heard Vladimir Putin stand next to Donald Trump in Helsinki at a press conference and talk about the Magnitsky act on name Bill Browder. I was like, wait a minute. That's the person that she talked about. So this is obviously hugely important to the Russian government hugely important Vladimir Putin. So maybe that was enough to have Raza Galera go, yeah, we'll help you with a meeting, but Emmons not stupid. He knows if he'd said to me, she'd like him meeting about the Magnitsky at well. John, Jillian, presumably would have said, even if I wasn't smart enough to work it out, why don't you talk to us about it? You dangle that carrot and don't define it. You gotta meeting right? Right. So let's back track a little bit in because you really are sort of I witnessed to Trump's relationship with the Galera of obviously and his trip to Moscow in two thousand thirteen which has gotten so much attention. He were there, but I wanna start the story with Las Vegas, right? Okay. Because that's when Trump first meets the Galera offs, and it's at the misuse a pageant and they're going to form their deal to bring the Miss Universe pageant to Moscow. Tell us what happened in Las Vegas and that very interesting dinner that you describe in the book and just to set the scene. I had gone with them and to meet with the Miss Universe organization initially with a view to try to get a coast offer music video while we were that Ammon had the bright idea of saying, well, where is the next Miss Universe? They hadn't chosen a location. I think it was going to be in Vegas and he said, well, why don't have it in Moscow the head of Miss Universe that I've seen a few venues and she named one of them which was crocus city hall, and he nudged me and I said, well, he owns it. So you probably wouldn't have too big a deal to make it happen and Emon did what I've seen him. John Mentana goes done, you'll have your contests. They're now. It wasn't as simple as that there was a lot of Manusha to workout, but he basically said, have it in Moscow. So that's how the idea for it came then when it became obvious, it was going to happen that we all met in Las Vegas during miss USA of two thousand thirteen. And it was the first meeting for the aga- Lauro's with Donald Trump and they met in a hotel lobby it was the Trump. Hotel and has they walked in, I saw more Ken, Donald Trump was at the other side of the lobby. He bellowed across the lobby, look, the richest man in Russia and his family have come to see me and then bellows it again as if it wasn't enough. And as I said earlier, that was funny because they were nowhere near that seemed to embarrass Arousa little bit that evening. We would you to have a private in Ammon was organizing, and I got a phone call about a half an hour before the dinner in my room, and it was Keith Schiller who was I was told Donald Trump's personal head of security, and he said to me, Mr. Trump would come to dinner on right, and he goes, so that's okay. It was like fine. And then I call them in and said, Mr. Trump's coming to dinner, he thought it was a joke. It wasn't joke in walk Mr. Trump with Michael Cohen and with Keith Schiller and I'd never met Michael Cohen, but he happened to be seated next to me and Emond was seated to my other side. I mean, I love this. You're seated at the Trump Tower meeting. You're sitting next to battle. And Kushner it here in Las Vegas. How do you see that. So you're everywhere. Very small time. I did call myself Robert zelik because anytime anything came of either y y. So I'm sat at this dinner and it was a kind of get to know you moment. They had Miss Universe that they had the head of Miss Universe and. In the middle of the dinner Trump loudly because everything he did, I've never met him other than on a red carpet, but he seemed to do loudly and to make. He said to Ammon an have an idea, I'll reduce the fee of the contest by a million dollars. If you tell me if you've ever slept with any of the contestants with a smile on his face and Ammon I knew he could fi- back because I've known him quite a while at point goes, that's very interesting. Mr. Trump, I'll increase the fee by five million dollars. If you tell me if you've ever slept with any contestants and Trump with a smile, announced that went, should we just forget the bet I he did it loudly if it had been a whisper, I would have thought, oh my God, but it was loud everyone laughed. But I thought this is like a good relationship. They seem to like each other. I thought after that night, the the admin was. Like the Nolte some that may be from which deed had. I've said, I've said way after that, I think Trump's kids Ivanka seems to be extremely polished and and don't seem to whatever he is at Arabic is whatever he is, but Emmons like the Nolte son. It was like he would make him laugh, you'd say, outrageous things and so would I, and I think that sort of appeal to him on some level after that we would go into a nightclub, we would go, yes, because he acts and I do want to discuss this exactly so grown detail. Somebody at the table said, I've made a reservation of VIP at a club called the act now at the time I hadn't heard of the act, but I had heard of it system club the box which is in London, New York, and it's this super sexy kind of burlesque meet Cirque du. So lay with all kinds of weird and wonderful things I'd been sold. I have since visited the box. So I can say that is true. But the act they said was much tamer version because of Nevada's. Laws or whatever. Not not that much. As we subsequently discovered brightness. But I, I sort of whispered sermon instead now he's come. I think I said some you must have met a good impression because now he's coming to the club with us, and that was fine. We go, but the idea that suddenly we'd be going to a packed Vegas nightclub with Donald Trump had never entered into the equation of all of this. And that's just what we did. And so he was there. I think it was close to his birthday was quite near there and there he was his birthday the day before. Yeah. So I think some of the people not the contestants. I think some people have said the contestants, but contestants were there. But I think if few of the full MC form winners of former contestant with that may have come, maybe miss USA was there. I, I have no idea. It was so long ago and it was so packed culpa was I live was FU sure. Miss Universe? Yeah, I'm polish a shoe good, and I think some of the people along with it, but what was the thing that struck me the most was Emmons designed to get rid of Donald Trump because he wanted to have fun and get. So he would say to me every so often like we don't leave or can he not leave? And I said, look, I'm English. It's Royal protocol. He's your Royal protocol. You can't leave till your guest leaves, so you stuck. And it was funny because it was like the running joke, like, when will he leave? Okay. Let me explain why. I found this significant because the act was a pretty raunchy nightclub. In fact, it was under investigation at that very moment. By the Nevada anti anti gaming commission because of its risk gay acts in potential violation of Nevada anti-obscenity laws. And among the regular series of acts that the the act put on was one called hot for teacher in which a dancers posing as college. Coeds would urinate simulate urinating on their professor. And there were couple. I heard that urination performances at the act as you can best recall. It was such a performance put on the night. You were there with Donald Trump. So. It is so difficult because I'd love to be able to say to you show that was these people and they were paying on the show. I don't know is the answer I because the bulks I think they do do that. And I've been to the box in New York and LA and New York and London. So it's hard to say whether it was there a London or New York, but I don't know if they did that night when we were the. Okay. So here's my question because you mentioned when we spoke, if you go that you had seen this performance urination performance in London, you believe now you're also saying possibly in New York as well awfully. Okay with 'em you are with them in in London? Yes. You saw? Yes, the urinate, yes. Performance did you and Emon talk about that? No. I mean, I'm show we may have made a common in the club when it happens, but no, not really. Okay. 'cause I mean, I guess the question that was always in my mind about this is some could some garbled version of this performance somehow have been the origin of the famous seen in the Steele dossier that says, Trump had prostitutes peeing on the bed in the Ritz Carlton in Moscow? Well, the interesting thing is, and again, I'm sure there's people far above my pay grade sitting in Washington, currently, trying to work out some of this, but you'll hypothesis on this actually makes more sense to me than what's alleged in the steel dossier that it happens at the Ritz Carlton that night. And there's a couple of reasons for that one. Is there. It was a lot made about the providence of Trump wanting to stay in that particular suite in the Ritz Carlton hotel. Well, I know for fact, I that hotel and I was arguing with them in about which hotel he would even stay up until forty hours before he was going into the Continental Hotel Moscow. So that part of it was always a bit weird but, but more than that, I never heard about it. And if you've ever worked with a large scale live event, there's lots of people and over. I think I was in Moscow maybe three or four weeks with them in the run-up to it, you become friends. I was friends with people in the hotel. I'd stayed in the Ritz coun-. I knew people that no one ever mentioned it before obviously Joran and after even when the story broke and that's when people suddenly, right, Email, Texaco, gas, I always knew about that. Yes, I heard about no one ever mentioned that to me and I just thought, well, I will the only period that we didn't have Trump and kind of in all cat was when he was supposedly sleeping. He would have got. Back to the hotel somewhere between one thirty and two in the morning. And then at seven AM I had him come down to do a music video. So that's four or five hours. Let's say in a thirty six hour period will surely has sleep. He was approaching seventy years old. He didn't come down at seven am and looked like he didn't sleep. Now. I do understand that it may not take an an enormous amount of time for people to pay on each other in your presence. However, he's a known germaphobe, although they, there's no allegation, they peed on him. If you're Jim, if I wouldn't, you need somebody to come in and change the beds. Do something where those people like Kant, somebody finds CCTV oh, Qods Kikodze chambermaids that's all I never heard. So back to my hypothesis that either Trump saw that night rows Vegas or UNM and sought later in London and talked about it right. And somehow this made its way to into the Popolo who told Christopher. He'll yours makes I I would like say this way yours makes as much sense if not more to me than what is alleged in the Steele, dossier. Is this something that Emon would have been into. People paying on each. Yeah. Well, I mean, again, I, you know, I'm not usually an men's bedroom joined the night. You know, I, I mean, I don't know the answer. I'd hate to say no, and then him, you know, hey, this and say to somebody, actually, I've, you know, I have a PHD in it. I mean, I don't know. But the point is. I just believe again, I go back to human nature that somebody somewhere people sell stores, people sell stories about me. So why wouldn't you sell stories about this taking? So? So you testified before the Muller grandeur erect mullahs and the grandeur Muller and the graduate. Did this subject come up at all. It definitely came up during the congressional hearings or whatever you wanna call them. These quite high enclosed with staff is on two occasions in with congressman on the on the other one. It came up, I think partly because there's a like a, what I calling the t he moments of like, tell us about the. It did seem to have a huge amounts of credence to some extent. I don't think it came up at the grand jury, but it may have come up as a passing comment of because they wanted me to walk them through the timeline of Trump in Moscow. And I believe they did ask me the question of, you know, it's been alleged or saluted too, but I can't remember. I do remember specifically from those congressional ones, but God is this as something they were focused on by any means two quick things. One is I believe that you've said that the Muller Muller and his prosecutors actually were not all that interested in the Trump Tower meeting. They were more interested in the relationship between. Trump that Trump's Don Jr. and the Galera is that correct? My takeaway from from meeting with them was that they were interested in all aspects. They wanted me to run through the Email. They wanted me to run through the meeting what was said and and all of that. But then it seemed like it was the big picture. What was trumped relationships with the Galera. What would their relationships like with the Kremlin with Putin with anything? I saw there was a whole long list of a laundry list of Russian names that I hadn't heard of, and I didn't know it was those kinds of things that they seemed much more interested in as to what an Italian may may not have said. So couple of things. First of all, just to wrap up on the prostitutes urinating subject Keith Schiller as you know, has testified that when he and when the trumps got when Trump got to Moscow in November of two thousand thirteen. And they went to the Ritz Carlton. Somebody offered to provide prostitutes for Mr. Trump was that emanated Lara Ammon was when they got to I, I always believed that the schedule that we had with stuck to, which was that Mr. Trump would arrive and actually come directly to Nobu and do that pitstop afterwards at the Ritz Carlton, but whether it was before or after as relevant m and was with me. So again, unless it's something he said in his ear, it doesn't sound like something he would say, because again, it's the same reason when people say why wouldn't Aminu. Whereas if picked up the phone and asked for the meeting themselves, they have buffers like I was the buffer in this case, mainly because if people say no or they're outraged adult one or it's couching that no look was was eminent prostitutes with eminence prostitutes. Yes, you know, no one's ever asked me that question. And I've been every question. I mean not to my knowledge, but again, I I can't about whether he had a hit record. I didn't care whether he hits on somebody. I mean, I don't. I don't know how else to say it. All right. So look at that Miss Universe pageant. You go through an account of what happened. But when you and I talked, you also made an important point because they were also doing a business deal. Then to build a Trump Tower in Moscow. A letter of intent was signed between Trump and ARIS Galera off to to build the Trump Tower. It was taken pretty seriously Donald juniors, put in charge of the project. Yvonne flies over to Moscow in February two thousand fourteen to scout potential sites with 'em. And just to clarify that bought as I understood it, Evonne co was flying to Moscow full some other reason. And while she was there did a drive by to meet with them and and have him show around the property, did they did they pick out site for the project? I don't know if a site was ever picked out, but you know, this came about when am and was driving Mr. Trump at a Gulf court route course round crocus city and said, we're building our first residential development here. There may be Trump Tower. It was Donald Trump who that day joy, Miss Universe, just said Trump towels. Next. I mean, literally it was an hour or two after eminent said this on a golf course that Trump increm- paean style said, we'll build a Trump Tower Trump Tower. So it had been a bit like the way the contest had happened, a whim, a thing of which could easily have had the jumped on. Yes, it was a licensing. I. What was the licensing deals all you have to do is licensed the name and Secondly crumbs was hugely popular in Russia. So yes, it wouldn't be a bad thing. That's all I, I wasn't surprised when I heard them say that. So I, I wanna end this conversation with a question that I think is relevant to this period in Moscow. So you have a curious, dedication in your book, it's dedicated to his majesty king, will they'll helm Alexander, so tell us who that is and why did you dedicate your book to him and not say your mom so and you're assuming that. King willem-alexander is not my father. So there was always this kind of like elephants in the room, which was would Donald Trump meet Vladimir Putin while he was in Moscow it. It's I come up during a lunch had with Paula Shugart who was the head of misused. She's gone, oh God, you know, he's gonna wanna meet Putin. What do we do? An Emin said, it's very simple. We have to go through protocol. It needs to go through my father to someone in the government's is right. So Trump had written a letter at the bottom. Trumpian style had scrolled in a black market, lots of beautiful women as if so, that would seal the deal. This is in the note that Trump rights to Putin. Did you see the note? I've seen a copy of the note. It wasn't given to me, but I saw Scana that, yes. Okay. What the context were lots of beautiful women. Oh, so he was inviting him to come to the come to the, oh God, and he decided to highlight something that only he could have, obviously worked out will lots of beautiful women there, but he scrawled it in black fell. Pat. So the idea was, would Vladimir Putin attendance an eminent said to me early on, there's no way he will attend it. Does Obama go to a beauty contest it? It just isn't done, but let's see what could happen, then it got to would they meet somehow and it came down to the wire and a few hours before the contest Amann said my father's supposed to receive a call from Dmitry peskov who is the all important sort of mouthpiece for the Kremlin Vladimir Putin. Please make sure that Mr. Trump is. So I bring him in was standing in a very small conference room in Iraq. I gue- lower of takes this coal from Paskov on behalf of Putin and Emon translates, and they say that despite all the the great whale of the good wishes of the president, they can't meet and the reason they can't meet isn't political. It's the king of Holland's who has an existing meeting is delayed in traffic. So he caught me Trump and my first thought was. So my chance to go to the Kremlin with Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin take some amazing selfie do summit has now all been screwed up because the king of Holland cont get there on time. That in itself, I thought was amusing when I told this story to staffers from the Senate intelligence committee. One of them when I was leaving said to me, can I just have a way with you guys? You should send the king of Holland that biggest bunch of flowers that you can find. Because if you've been the person who had secretly taken Donald Trump to meet Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin in Moscow, can you imagine how much more awful your life would be right now? And I laughed let you just did. And then I said to him, I'm dedicating my book to king Willem. Alexander of the Netherlands who I'm sure is horrified that now I've involved him in this in somewhat, have you sent him a cop? I've contacted the Dutch Press Association who laughed loudly and went, our king is involved. So I, no, so I'm sure. On some level the same way as I created some international instant with an Email, I will do the same in Holland. These are on that. No, these are great stories, very colorful, but also fill in important pieces of the puzzle and. Thank you for being on rob zone. And the book is Popstars pageants and presidents, how an Email trumped my life, which he did. Thanks a lot. Thanks to Lisa Belkin and rob Goldstone for joining us on this week's episode. 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June 16 - Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Rep. Steve Scalise

NBC Meet the Press

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June 16 - Mayor Pete Buttigieg, Rep. Steve Scalise

"Uh-huh. This Sunday election interference President Trump says, yes, except information on an opponent from a foreign country. Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break insists everyone does it say have information I think I'd take it, then get slammed by Democrats. That's just dangerous appalling unethical, unpatriotic you name it. He not know right from wrong. And by some Republicans. Most people would not frankly pressure before finally backing off. Give it to the FBI, how serious is President Trump about protecting our election, plus the Democrats debate stage is now set both of the twenty candidates, two nights and brewing. Generational divide would serve us. Well to have new generation of leadership seven. People have a right to question. All of our agents can say, watch me. Just watch me. My guess, mayor Pete Buddha, JR. Of Indiana and growing tensions with Iran, the US blames around for a tax on oil tankers and considers deploying forces to protect oil shipments. I'll talk to House Republican whip Steve, Scalise of Louisiana and our own Richard angle reports from the region joint to be for insight and analysis are Mark leverage chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine Daniel Plaka of the American Enterprise Institute, syndicated columnist, George will and Helene Cooper Pentagon correspondent for the New York Times. Welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press. From NBC news in Washington. The longest running show in television history. This is meet the press. Chuck. Good Sunday morning and happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. We're gonna get to President Trump election interference in our new poll numbers in a moment. We're going to start with the growing tension between the United States in Iran. The US is blaming around for attacks this week onto oil tankers in the Gulf of mon-, Iran denies it was responsible. And there are fears that hardliners in both countries will use the incidents to push for military confrontation NBC news chief foreign correspondent Richard Engel is in estan bowl Turkey this morning with the latest on this concern. And so Richard, I is the US allegation against a rod that they did it being taken seriously in the region. And with western allies. I think it is being taken seriously sources. I've been speaking to are not doubting, the Americans accounting of events. They think that the Iranians did it. They think they did it in such a way to show their displeasure to show their anger that they've been boxed in by sanctions. They think the Iranians didn't want to attack US interests in order not to provoke at least at this stage, any kind of shooting war sources, I'm speaking to are I'm not hearing other accounts of who was responsible so Richard there, clearly divides in Iran on how aggressive to get there's divides in our own country and the president and his national security adviser. I know there's concern of an accident happen happening. I walk us through the Iranian divide. So the, the issue is not so much an accident. We talk about this. Like we're on a slippery slope toward war. We've been put in this position. There've been a series of events that have put us right where we are right now. Let's start with the Iranian side. So there are hardliners in Iran who've said for a long time that they should be taking a much stronger action, a more confrontational approach vis-a-vis, the United States, particularly after the United States started to ratchet up sanctions put Iran into a corner back them into a position where they fear. They have no other economic options, they have been those voices those hardline voices have been losing out to moderates, but as the sanctions, get tighter and tighter, the hardliners are now in the ascendancy. So you have the hardliners there who think it's a good idea. Partly to attack commercial shipping in order to show their displeasure and to show their strength, y'all have hardliners in the United States. Who put us in this situation, who may have made the sanctions on Iran, so impossible that Iran felt backed into a corner, and it is reacting. It is very predictable. I've been watching this for a long time, and I could have told you, if you ratchet up the sanctions up to a point that they are unbearable on Ron that Iran would react, and the hardliners would get the upper hand and I think a lot of people around President Trump Bolton among the know exactly that that's how Iran would react, very, very tenable situation very quickly. I assume is a as US military, the US navy going to be used as a essentially a military escort for tankers pretty soon in the Gulf of Mont. Well, we could get we could get to that stage. President Trump said in that phone call with FOX and friends that the straits of Hormuz will remain open, almost at any cost, so US military escort would be an escalation. Let's see if it has to come to that. All right. Richard Engel reporting for us in stumbled Turkey this morning. Richard, as always thanks very much turning out of politics. It has become something of a cliche, that from the moment, Donald Trump came down, that escalator four years ago today, he has changed the norms of our politics, whether as a candidate declaring the John McCain was no war hero, or as president siding with Latimer Putin, over his own intelligence agencies or declaring there was some very, fine people on both sides of the Neo Nazi protests in Charlottesville. There's a familiar pattern step one stay or do something startling step to public and press react with shock outrage approval or all of the above step three say or do something. Else startling. Step four, publican press. Forget about step one wash rinse repeat the latest example, Mr. Trump saying this week. Sure, I'd take incriminating information about an opponent from a foreign government. Many heard that as Mr. Trump saying Russia, if you're listening, come on in the water's, fine, if you can help again, I'll take it, perhaps, the most remarkable thing about this four year cycle of these this one goes to eleven controversies is, how steadying mediocre the president's approval ratings have remained through at all. And our brand new NBC news Wall Street Journal poll forty four percent approve of the president's job performance, fifty three percent disapprove that forty four percent approval rating is right in line with where it's been in the past year with just one exception always holding between forty three and forty six percent, consistently all of which is to say, Mr. Trump style is both a weakness a strength a weakness because the controversies have kept his approval rating ever even reaching fifty percent, but a strength because with each new controversy, it becomes easy to forget what last week's fuss was all about. Information. I take it four years after descending on that, and Trump Tower and announcing his candidacy for President Mr Trump is preparing to kick off his reelection campaign on Tuesday in battleground, Florida, this week, he made it clear if a foreign government offer some help to win he will take it. This is somebody said we have information on your opponent. Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break. Lifeless. Director says which should happen, the FBI director is wrong is campaign called those Trump comments a directive the president's directive as he said a case by case basis, he said he would likely do both listen to what they have to say. But also reported to the FBI. But after some Republicans condemn, the idea of accepting foreign help again in twenty twenty it would strike at the very heart of our democracy. I think it's a mistake, I think as mistake of law, and the chair, the Federal Election Commission pointed out that taking information value from a foreign national is illegal, actually a matter of black letter law. It's pretty straightforward on Friday. The president tried to backtrack. Of course you have to look at it. Because if you don't look at it, you're not gonna know of its bad, how you to know of it spanned, but of course you'd give it to the FBI or reported to the attorney general still Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell blocked, a Bill that would require FBI disclosure of any foreign assistance, while Democrats competing to take on Trump. Pounced on his comments. Perfectly willing to break the law. It's a legal. It is legal, what he said was openly treasonous to form of terrorism. It's like the guy hates America. Mr. Trump's opponents are struggling with how far to go would you want the department of Justice, now that he's no longer a sitting president, to go forward with those obstruction of Justice charges? I believe that they would have no choice and that they should. Yes, there has to be accountability by Friday. Harris was trying to backtrack. Said that department of Justice willing to go and follow the facts wherever they leave and ahead of their first debate. The twenty twenty Democrats are each trying to prove they are best equipped to take Mr. Trump on gigantic mistake, if Democrats twenty or whatever number we have go after each other, but former vice president Biden's rivals are already playing up the contrast that are likely to appear on stage if we are perceived as replicating, a system that let people down economically and politically, then we could very well lose again. The same people say, somebody totally new, we've gotta change the system. Well, guess what systems work pretty damn? Well, it's called the constitution and joining me now is the mayor of south bend, Indiana presidential candidate Pete boot 'age. Mayor ditch welcome back Meath presser. Thank you. I wanna start with sort of the news of the moment that we're all dealing with a country here. What's going on in? The Middle East. Do you believe the administration is provided enough proof that Ron was indeed behind these tanker attacks? Well, I think what we've seen is compelling. There seems to be more information that, that we haven't had a chance to see it's a little distressing to think that because this administration's credibility is so low in general. I think a lot of people are thinking twice at a moment win America's word should be decisive. When the US says this is something that has happened in this is the consensus of our administration that should be something that goes without question. But of course, that's just not the case in administration that has been extremely unreliable in so many ways being said, this is not consistent with Iranian behavior that has been aggressive and often malignant in the region. The real question is, what can we do given the facts on the ground to ensure a measured response that will de-escalate rather than inflame tensions in the region. Well, what is that measured response that president Buddha? Judge would do at this point. I mean, let's I know you wanna go back into the nuclear agreement. But the nuclear agreement did nothing about the belligerent behavior of Iran. So what would you be doing? Well, the first thing is we would be consulting and coordinating with our allies. I think everybody has an interest in the region becoming more stable. Let me you their full our closest allies in the Middle East Saudi Arabia in Israel in particular. They seem to be in a different place on Ron than the United States. Well, our allies in the Middle East are going to be concerned, first and foremost with their own security. We need to make sure that we have tensions de escalate rather than escalate when it comes to what's going on there. But what we see out of the White House is something disturbingly reminiscent of the kind of accelerating drumbeat that got us into the war in Iraq worse. It's got some of the same cast of characters, I'm still mystified that John Bolton who was one of the architects of the Iraq conflict is set to be behind a lot of the administration's policy on Iran, as well. And it's not only allies in the region, but allies across the globe, who have an interest in stopping any pathway toward the Middle East becoming any more violent anymore unstable than it already is, do you take comfort at all that President Trump appears to pay more dovish about this, then John Bolton? Well, the president has said that he does not want a conflict, of course. It's very difficult to take the president at his word anytime he says anything but to the extent. That we believe him. The real question is, is a dynamic underway in the administration just as much as in the Middle East that could get out from the control of the president himself. I'm concerned about that, and it's one more reason why we need stable leadership in the United States and a stable, international community where our alliances our study. And our word is taken seriously at a minimum. Do you think it's appropriate? Would it be appropriate if they ordered, they had the US military, essentially in the Gulf of Mon as another way, essentially as a police escort for these tankers? You think that's? Yes, it could certainly be appropriate for US to use our Seapower to make sure that there are safety and freedom of passage in that part of the world. That's so vital to the world economy. You're obviously making generational argument during this campaign being the youngest contender in this racer. So the, the youngest top tier contender in this race. It's an obvious thing for you to do. Let me ask this question about Joe Biden, that you've been sort of ducking all week long. What can Joe Biden due to you to convince you that he's future oriented, we'll think everyone of us is running our own playbook? And I think a candidate of any age could speak about the future. But I think not every candidate is doing that. And the future can't just be kind of bumper sticker word, or some vague idea. We throw out there. I want us to be forming policies today that are gonna make sense in the twenty fifties. We're going to be able to look back. Do you think somebody and their seventies, you think somebody in their seventies can't? Can't have good vision of what twenty-fifty is going to look like in America. Of course, they can. But I think I have the best one in my plan is to go out and compete with it. That's a fair point. There. Let me ask you this about the president's comments having to do with accepting foreign interference. If somebody offered your campaign dirt on either President Trump or democratic candidate what would you do with that? Anything with that? You would call the FBI. This isn't even even look at it complicated. Whichever look you call you. Call the FBI look the moment that you look at it, you have implicated yourself and I don't think you would want to do that. Look, things are complicated in politics and ethics. This is not, and this is not the radical either a foreign hostile foreign power at successfully attacked our democracy in the last election. And there's no indication that they're going to back off from trying to do it in the next election. That's why it's shocking to hear the president say what he said, then again, he specializes in shocking us so that we can talk about anything else. And I hope that, while we are forcefully responding to the outrageous suggestion that he would do something illegal in that situation. It's not making us less able to talk about our own agenda of making Americans lives better off of delivering better wages, better, living standards, healthcare, and all the other issues on which Americans trust the Democratic Party. He needs. Us talking about him so that we're not talking about voters. Because when we talk about voters we win. We will call out his wrongdoing and then return rate to our message because that's what's gonna make for a better America all the way to the twenty fifties responded to a question about this idea of prosecuting. A former President Trump possibly having Justice department, look at the obstruction case. And you've basically open to this idea that if that's what the Justice department says, then they should pursue it. How do you if you're like the president, one of the reasons you've got elected as you'd have convinced the country, it's time to change the channel? How do you change the channel and prosecute? The former president at the same time. America can do many things at the same time, but it's not the president's job to prosecute a foreign president changing the channel means focusing on how we can make people's lives better. And if in parallel, there are investigations going on into criminal behavior by people who were formerly at some of the highest levels in our government. So be that's how the Justice system works, but the most important principle here is the independence of the judiciary. The independence of the DOJ is obviously not something this president respects these treated it like it ought to be his his own personal offer. So this test for your attorney general, you would tell your general look at it if you want to, I'm not going to tell you, which way to come down on whether to prosecute the former president of the United States, prosecution decisions shouldn't be made by politicians in that sense. And what I will say is any attorney general that I would point is somebody who will faithfully apply. The concept that no one is above the law that everybody ought to be. Held accountable, whether they're former president or whether they are somebody who's never been anywhere near the, the halls of power. That's the whole point. It's the Justice is blind. And I will appoint an attorney general and for that matter, justices and judges who uphold that principle if there is final topic. I'm going to get to your ability to win this democratic nomination in general. And if there is one whisper of, of you will that, that Democrats have about your candidacy, many are excited, but you hear the whisper, but I don't know can get African American support. I wanna read you a quote from the Reverend Rodrick read that the Indianapolis star interviewed he's a he's a pastor, the uplift church in Indianapolis. Here's what he said, I guarantee it's going to be an obstacle. This is about the fact that your married to another man. I guarantee it's going to be an obstacle for the candidate from south bend. That is really still a touchy subject specifically in, especially in the African American church. Now, I think it could be overcome. Because we are gradually getting to a point of, and I don't want to say except we, we're getting to a point of realizing this is the culture that we're going to have to begin to live with and adapt to it. I know you're trying to have these conversations with a lot of African Americans. How are they going? Going well. And we are working very hard to engage people across the party, but especially black voters who expect you to demonstrate especially when you're new on the scene. What your values are, and how you're going to promote policies that lift them up? I also think we have a moment on our hands when we can do the exact opposite of what the president has done the president has used identity as a wedge used race as a wedge to divide people who have common interests. I think we have an opportunity to reach into our own distinctive identities. And use them to build bridges to reach out to people different from us knowing that anybody who has been on the short end of an equation of exclusion has a way to sympathize with people who've had different experiences with exclusion in this country. And if we build a solidarity around that then people who have for whatever reason, fell's, a lack of belonging or felt exclusion or felt discrimination in this country, even though those patterns of. Women are very, very different when all of us come together, we win, and we are all better off. But I do want to follow up. I've talked to African American congressman who really liked you and want to support you where their their some of their more conservative, religious, mighty constituents who vote straight ticket democrat, most of the time would have trouble voting for you. What do you say to those politicians in Washington, who wanna get behind your candidacy, but are nervous about this? I'd invite them to look at what happened in south bend. I'm socially conservative community when I came out, we didn't know what the effects would be. It was actually during an election year. Mike Pence was the governor of our state. He was popular at the time. And what happened was I won with eighty percent of the vote. What that tells you I think, is that people if you give them a chance, we'll evaluate you based on what you aim to do what the results are with the policies are, and I have every confidence that American voters, especially democratic. Voters will not discriminate when the opportunity comes up to choose the right leader for the future people. I really appreciate you. Coming on sharing views with us in stay safe on the trail. Thank you. All right. Thanks for coming on. When we come back. I'll talk to the house minority win Republican Steve Scalise. Hi, it's Katie her wanna keep up with MSNBC while you're on the go. Subscribe to the MSNBC daily newsletter you'll get the best of what you've missed or in this unprecedented era of news, text MSNBC to six eight six six to subscribe. Welcome back Republicans about themselves in a politically awkward position this week on the subject of election interference, you might think stopping foreigners from meddling would be an easy vote, but Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell blocked a Bill that would require campaigns to report. Any attempt at foreign interference to the FBI and outside minority leader. Kevin McCarthy took pains to avoid criticizing President Trump's. I'd take it comment. So joining me now is the House Republican whip number two in the house leadership, the Republican sti- Steve, Scalise of Louisiana, whose book, by the way back in the game one gunman countless heroes and the fight for my life is now out in paperback. Release welcome back to meet the press, sir. Nice to see you. Good morning, Chuck. Good. It'd be back with you. All right. Let me start with this election interference Bill. I know you voted against what Democrats billed as HR one this large voting rights Bill, that they put together. But if they carved out the parts just on election security, there was an elect. Security portion requiring paper ballots, establishing better cyber security standards. Also would include I think what Mark Warner wants to see which is immediate reporting the FBI could you vote for that, Bill? Well, I had a lot of concerns with HR one, not the least of which were the first amendment violations. I mean you had everybody from the ACLU all the way to national right to life come together against that Bill because of what it did to limit, the, the free speech rights and religious freedom rights of millions of Americans. So that Bill is riddled with problems at puts tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money into political campaigns, something, I don't think most Americans wanna see their tax dollars used for. So that Bill had massive problems interesting that it was the very first Bill Nancy Pelosi chose to move through the house was a Bill that far left, but it's been an example of how she's run the house, not address in real problems. But let's insecurity. Let's talk. I'm just asking about just this election security, this was not a small event. And this seems to be not unreasonable ideas here when it comes to the cybersecurity portion of this Bill, what Mark Warner's calling for could you support that? Well, there's a lot on cyber security. I think we can come to an agreement on. I'd like to see details on how she'd work with us on some of the things we've tried to get through congress in the past that are by partisan dealing with cyber security because their concerns, not only for election security, but also on the corporate side, you've seen millions of Americans private data personal data stolen through attacks primarily from foreign state. Operators, whether it's Russia, China North Korea or so many others. I wanna there's a new store in the New York Times today that highlights a more aggressive tack that the US government is doing now against Russia in planning potential, essentially forms of now wear into the Russian power grid taking a more offensive approach rather than just doing this on defense. Do you support that new policy? Look, you've got to take every step possible. First of all, the make sure what happened in two thousand sixteen with the Russians attempted to do to meddle with our elections. When Barack Obama was president doesn't happen again in twenty twenty or any other election. And so I'm glad that the administration has been taken aggressive actions, including if you saw the executive order the president issued a few over year ago, lowering DOD to be more aggressive at making sure they can protect not only our grit, but go after anybody who's going to try to mess with our election security. It was interesting, though, I wanna point out, one, one little nugget in that story. Apparently the president was not fully briefed on this operation. I want I want to show you one part of this New York Times story about that. It says Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction. And the possibility that he might countermanded or discuss it with foreign officials as did in twenty seven. When he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian Foreign Minister, the president, obviously, was very upset about the story even getting in the public domain, as he tweeted about it last night. Do you believe that these officials made a mistake, not briefing, the president about this operation? Well, Chuck the president and the White House of already pushed back against a number of elements of the story. But the bottom line is the president's taking aggressive action against Russia. I wish that would have happened in two thousand sixteen when they were trying to meddle with their elections. But I think the message is being sent right now, if the Russians tried to take some action against our elections or any other country, we are already ready to go after them, and it should happen in two thousand sixteen on glad that the president's being aggressive against any foreign countries gonna try to meddle, with our elections, by the way, do you think that the Republican campaign harm of the house? A pledge not to use any stolen can't stolen material hacked material. I know that there's been some attempts to get all both political parties to sign these pledges. There's been some hesitation on the house side. Well, I'm sure they'll look at that too. I think it's real interesting that the entire basis of the mullahs report was information that the democrat party got from Russia. They solicited using foreign spies of all people in use that to turn over to the FBI. And unfortunately you had some people in the FBI with the political agenda against President Trump, who used that as the basis for an investigation to spy on then candidate President Trump. There are a lot of concerns, I think, in things that need to be rooted out within the FBI to make sure that doesn't happen again. Either turn to a Ron here, a minute, at what point do you think the president needs to go to congress to approve any sort of escalation with Iran, where, where where's your comfort level on what you believe? He has the ability to do now and what he needs to come to congress for. Well, the White House has been briefing congress on what's happening in Iran, and how this has been building up. And of course, this does go back to the Iranian deal. That was greed to in the previous administration and Donald Trump when he was a candidate expressed his real concerns with that deal, as so many of us in congress opposed, it back then, and even our allies. Like Israel oppose the Iran deal when it when it went through congress, you saw prime minister Netanyahu come to congress and give very compelling speech against it back before it was agreed to so what President Trump's been doing to make sure that we're going to stand up to Russia. Our sanctions, by the way have been very effective. I think that's why you're seeing Iran take action. But this shows you do you really want a nuclear armed Iran. I think this is why the world, not just America. But our allies in the Middle East Arkansas earned about Iran having nuclear weapon, this is what they did without one, imagine if they had one do you think the president has the authority now due to the AM f from back in two thousand? To the authority now to, to conduct a military operation against Iran. Well, we don't wanna see it escalate to where it is a military operation, but you're seeing the president take action to make sure that we have protection against American interests in the Middle East, including the straight there, where you saw this explosion, where the bomb was detonated. So the president is making sure that he's protecting American interests. I don't wanna see it escalate just, like I don't think anybody else does. But we have to stand up to Iran. This is one more example of why we need to be concerned about their actions before I let you one thing about your book, you wrote about the issue of social media talking about the person that shot you his post dripping with scorn and hatred, toward the Republican party, and President Trump and the responses to his post fueled him even more, he was living a kind of double existence while quiet and unassuming person he was angering confrontational online, a digital flame thrower combat. And when provided the anonymity of an online avatar, it's practically the same biography of the synagogue shooter on the right hand side. Of the aisle. Same thing, this, same idea, social media sort of taking over this, this man's life. How do you not violate the first amendment, and have these social media companies purge these folks before they commit violence? Well, Chuck what I've always said, is we can all our political disagreements. And that's what makes our country great. But when you cross the line and start inciting violence against other people that's where there's no place for that in politics in. So we saw in the case of the shooting in my in my case with the baseball field, shoot it as with others. You saw somebody trying to not only disagree with people politically, but then take it to that one step further where they took action and tried to take out in our case people because there are political police. Fortunately capitol police were there on the scene. Law enforcement major didn't happen. And thank God, they were there, and so many other heroes in miracles that I talked about in the book back in the game social media companies. Oh, can they get rid of these people before they commit violence? Or do you think that, that violation of I memorize? Well, that's up to each of them. And you're seeing social media companies take action to try to stop people from inciting, violence, or in cases, even like the Florida shooting where they saw the kids say, I wanna be a school shooter in that gets turned over to law enforcement. And unfortunately they dropped the ball on that case they should have been able to follow through more. All right. Steve Scalise, the number two Republican on the house side. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views and tie. You look as good as ever two years later. Nice to see you feeling great and happy, Father's Day, teach you happy. Father's eighty you sir. Thanks very much, when we come back election interference plus those Trump versus Biden polls that the president said didn't exist. Well, they do, and we've got the handle is next. Welcome back panelists here. Syndicated columnist George will whose latest book is the conservative sensibility in Cooper Pentagon correspondent for the New York Times. Daniel Plaka the American Enterprise Institute, and Markley vich chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine everybody, I want to combine two thoughts here, George, we have election interference and what the president said at first, and then he backtracks it, but I'm gonna read Jew something James home in Rhode on Friday, that also had to do with the hatchback decision by the president. President Trump's announcement this morning that he will not punish counselor. Kellyanne Conway for repeatedly violating the hat. Check captures in miniature his apparent belief that the rules don't apply to him and his loyalists the way they do everyone else. It seemed to me that both of these stories are connected in that if he thinks it small and petty and has nothing to do with him or at helps him. Ignorant article two is remarkably spare and describing the duties of the president, and basically, they come down to taking care that the laws are faithfully executed. There's evidently, an asterisk over that says a hatchback doesn't apply. But with regard to didn't the president just repeal it. If he doesn't act. He's repealed. It. Yes. It's called a presidents do this. They call this force -ment discretion. Yes that they're, they're enforcing mechanisms are spreads them. Something like that. With regard to the election interference when speaker Pelosi says he doesn't right from wrong. She's right to this extent. He's a complete amateur in American public life and the rules norms are mysterious to him. Besides he campaigned on the promise we knew this promise was going to be kept it. He would continue to do what he didn't campaign which was violate all existing norms. So no one should be be appalled, if you wish, but don't be surprised. That's the problem in Washington is that is that Donald Trump takes, what are I think norms and and runs with them? The hatch act is violated every single day in multiple ways, I spent ten years on the hill. I can't count the number of times. I saw senators their staff violating the hatch because. Strictures are rather inconvenient. You can't do political business from your Senate office, for example. So if you wanna call donor anything else, you've got to leave, you're gonna go elsewhere. And so, of course, it gets violated the problem with Trump is that he has taken, what is sort of a bandwidth and just tossed it all out and said and taken it and taking it to the logical end which is violating. The thing is, though, that norms are things that are essentially respected within a very, very small bubble, which is basically washing tasha, public life, most people in America. Don't know what the hatch hatch act is. And they would not only do I don't know if they care not. But they would say, well, wait isn't don't White House. Don't isn't Kellyanne Conway supposed to defend the president's boast to attack his. I mean, it does there's a level of common sense that I think the president does align with that does win over a lot of his supporters, and yet he's chipping away at all these things, and they're the little ones, and the unintended consequence of all this. Could be come November that the losing side, no matter who it is doesn't believe the result. I think that's absolutely true. I think that I mean it's not just the hatchback is it's I cover the military. So I pay a lot of attention to Trump as commander in chief, and he has gone so far on the whole. Violating this whole principle of not politicizing, the military that, you know, the whole thing with the US McCain back in, in, in Tokyo when he was in Yokosuka when he was visiting last month was another example of this. And when you have this sort of thing repeatedly, I wonder what happens to us once once Trump is gone, what happens when you've taken so many of these accepted norms and ways of, of doing of conducting ourselves in how does the next person. How you bring it back. I guess, maybe they will introduce more codified laws. Let me turn a little bit to the president's political prospects. He's launching his reelection campaign on Tuesday. Those infamous Trump, Biden polls, while we got our hands on pretty much all of them, let me show you them and why the president didn't like that. They went public as much here as Virginia, Maine, Minnesota, Michigan, as you can see if forties, the best he doesn't any of those states with Biden, and these are all just bide and Trump matchup. They tested everybody, but Biden was the strongest and look at Biden's numbers there. Now look at this North Carolina Iowa. Hi. Oh, these were all three states that Trump carried he's down. Eight in North Carolina, seven Iowa. Ohio, just one. I think that tells you a little bit more about where Ohio headed there. We also had in Texas Trump was only up to in Georgia. Our source tells us if Biden is up six and he had double digit leads and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida by the way, the camp, the campaign didn't dispute. The numbers campaign manager Brad par scale gave us this quote, all news about the president's polling is completely false. The president's new polling is extrordinary and his number numbers have never been better. My colleague, Kristen Welker now reporting right now. We breaking apparently the Trump campaign is going to be firing some pollsters, he leaving. They were behind this leak, George. These numbers aren't surprising to me. No shooting the messenger surprising either. In fact, they're worse numbers for him in the sense that in a dozen states that he carried twenty sixteen his disapproval over fifty percent. Those are states he carried. So if you have to bet your net worth on the next election bet on anybody. But Mr. Trump. Oh, wow. We'll just say after twenty sixteen I'm just not entirely sure that this soon in the game. We pay any attention to any of this. This is the president pays a lot of attention to this, which that is, what is sort of is. He can't never let them. He never wants to show weakness poll. He's flatlined is banned between forty two percent forty six percent. That's not it's not early to say that almost two years of this that, that represents is floor to ceiling. Here's a bigger problem. It's not just that so the ballot test job number and has personal rating or all aligning, usually a successful, reelected president has one of those as an outlier in a positive way either a winning personality, or they like the agenda. But don't like the person he doesn't have that. It's there's no choice. It's do like Donald Trump. Or don't you like Donald Trump and a generic democrat, he's gonna run against a real person? Well, this was against a real job. I think is a stand in for generic democrat case, and he'll be he will represent that remark. Well, no, I mean look, he's, he's someone people know, right? I mean he people know what they're getting with him. So he will be defined. But I mean look, if he goes against Elizabeth Warren against people, it's a whole different dynamic race. We'll say the president I have I have a feeling they're going to release new poll numbers that show. Just him new winning winning winning winning. When we come back, Americans have never been more United on abortion and more divided at the same time you see these new numbers. Next. Welcome back data. Download time this week's new NBC news Wall Street Journal poll, so the highest percentage of Americans who think abortion should be legal all or most of the time, but we need into the responses it shows a larger trend that has major implications for both political parties. Overall, the number of American saying abortion, should be legal all or most of the time has climbed to fifty six percent that is actually up seven points since two thousand eight eleven years ago, and what's remarkable is the consistency. It's up amongst all groups, the percentage of men, Singapore should be legal all or most of the time has climbed two points among women. It has climbed eleven points. It's also climbed thirteen points, Democrats, even four points Republicans. But those numbers don't mean the country as made a final decision on this issue. We noticed another trend in these polls. A hardening of us on both sides, this poll showed a record number of people who want abortions to be legal in all cases. But it also shows a big jump in the number of people who. Want abortion to be illegal without exception legal in all cases at thirty four percent that's up from last year and illegal without exceptions is at twelve percent. That's five points higher than March eighteen you can probably guess, what's driving this movement? The partisan divide shows up in the hardening of these views among core Republicans, those that strongly back the party twenty seven percent say abortion should be illegal with no exceptions. That's up nine points from eighteen percent in two thousand eighteen and among Democrats, fifty eight percent say they want abortion to always be legal that's up eight points from March of twenty eighteen yes overall, the movement is towards legality, not away. But underneath those numbers you see just another sign of the political reality in two thousand nineteen the middle ground has eroded and that might be because on the issue of abortion. There's not a lot of appetite for a middle ground. Anyway, when we come back, Democrats won for president. Find a common target and it's not President Trump right now. Back now with game. And we were telling you the democratic candidates have a new target, and it's not President Trump take a listen to how comfortable, some of these candidates are getting going after Joe. Bye. Joe Biden a return to the past he is. And that cannot be, who we are going forward represent the future. No, I don't think so. I think I think it's time for a new generation of leadership. Emma Kratz can no more turn the clock back to the nineteen ninety s then Republicans can return us to the nineteen fifties. And we should not try. Joe Biden in, in the in the crosshairs. Now obviously the rest of the field is figured out. The Joe Biden's ahead. It's natural political gravity. Right. You can't talk only about Donald Trump and frankly, Joe Biden makes it pretty easy foil. He is not Barack Obama. He's run quite unsuccessfully for president twice. I mean he was beloved but in kind of goofy, uncle kind of way and you do sort of wonder what I mean how you're going to work as a contrast item generation Lii and as all three of those Democrats just said as someone who is is just the return to yesterday. And these are three Democrats under the age of fifty five let me put up the debate matchups here for our big first round of debates night. One, the big name is Elizabeth Warren. But you also Amy clo- shar, Cory Booker, in particular, their Rourke, people that six weeks ago. It said, this is the big night of the debate. Let's look at night, too, which is the Joe Biden night. Joe biden. Bernie Sanders, comma Harris, Pete Buddha ginger one two three four let alone. Also, your Marianne Williamson's and Andrew. Gang there. George will you look at those lineups should Elizabeth Warren be happy that she's not that she gets a night essentially as the front runner. I front runner of the of the debate, she's participating sure to not be on the stage with Biden, and she can assume that the other nine people who are on the stage with Biden, we'll do their duty which is to treat him as opinion in somewhere and she stands above it, and they'll be lots of other debates down the road when she'll be next to him by, then he will be scarred. It's really interesting Helene in our poll. We're showing Lisbeth warns on the move a little bit. I wanna show we've been testing all of these candidates. Are you enthusiastic about the idea of this person running for president? This is just among democratic primary voters, we've been testing this all for the first six months, and he's, you can see here, Biden Sanders. Their enthusiasm numbers have dropped since March. Elizabeth warns enthusiasm number has gone up since March, in fact, more enthusiastic among democratic primary voters for her than the other. Two. That's that was really interesting. See her jump over Bernie Sanders as well. But I think she has she still has a lot of room to move up. I think on the Biden issue is just it's, it's to me, it feels just really obvious. These guys are all going after Biden, because he's the guy to beat is not at this point, you know, there's a, there's a reason while he why he has assumed this front runner status so listening to judge, and listening to beta Arar work as they're taking on Joe Biden. There's a lot of concern, and they feel that this is who they're going to have to defeat in order to, to, to win the nomination like this. Because you know why? Because the Republican the Republican party in the in the run up to the last election was just such an awful spectacle watching one person after another go after each other in this circular firing squad. So I actually feel a little bad for poor old, Joe Biden, and of course, Joe Biden is old, but so is Bernie Sanders. And by the way. Elizabeth Warren, by the way, the same age of Hillary Clinton states been can be double edged sword it can be, but you know what, what we're going to watch for the next year and a half is the Democrats going after their number one person in the poll, so Elizabeth Warren, they're coming for you. Yeah. Doesn't matter how many of the Democrats attack Biden as long as Trump keeps attacking by. He can be happy nineteen sixty six Nixon's campaigning around the country for leaders, then gets under Lyndon Johnson skin Lyndon Johnson denounces him as a chronic campaigner, making him the focus of all the Republicans. And he went on to be elected. Well, that is something that is interesting here Mark leave. The Trump campaign has been trying to get the president to direct tweets at people other than by go after Warren again, and he's kind of go after Bernie, do something to make the Democrats have to own the farther left candidates, rather than I think that that's right. We'll look Donald Trump looks polls. We know that polls now. He's very present focus, right? He sees these polls, and he sees Biden against him. So he's going to focus on Joe Biden. I don't think the president of real, I mean, I think the president is, I think, frankly struggling on how to define Joe Biden. Joe Joe Biden is so chain known entities. Certainly in America, and the Democratic Party. And don't Trump has an easier time talking about people who are out in the public sphere is he's been. He's not gonna second. I don't know why his campaign second guessing him so much. This is the one thing that he actually has shown seems to have a little bit of gut instinct has a good feel for right? So he's got after Biden. Now, it'll be after whoever's next when the time comes it is interesting how he's very dismissive of, comma Harris and compete Buddha Detroit now and I kind of don't understand why he's being that dismissive right now of both of them knows Joe Biden, because he's used to going after he hasn't been able to come up with a good enough name. The Alfred Newman, one didn't work peach, put a judge sort of embraced it. So that didn't really work for him. Sleepy. Joe hasn't really necessarily worth that will that will either, but he's more comfortable going after the people come Harris, I think will definitely be problematic for him because that's that, that one where he's going to have to really temper his his natural. Oil sort of sexist tendencies. That's my curiosity. I think he doesn't know yet both the you're right about coming, I, but I think the same thing with Buddha JR. He they have not figured out how to go after this guy. Sleepy. I wanted to sleep president. No, I think that's right. I think that he's uneasy when he cannot pigeonhole somebody. The other thing about Elizabeth Warren, I mean, just to sort of not talk about this much of a horse race is one of the reasons she's doing better as people say that she's actually running very good campaign. I mean these are these. Shea yesterday. A plan for that. And people like applauded people are noticing. She's playing a little tortoise here. That seems to be working guys. Thank you very much. That's all we have for today. Thank you for watching happy, Father's Day. All you dads out there and remember we'll be back next week because if it's Sunday, it's meet the press. Cast Rosenberg is based on a simple premise thoughtful conversations with interesting people like Jim Komi, Lisa, Monaco, and pre Perot are each of them, took an oath as I did to support defend the constitution of the United States, the oath with Chuck, Rosenberg. Listen for free wherever you get your podcast.

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"It is Wednesday April third. Good day from Washington. I'm Chuck Todd. And to what is the inaugural edition of the Chuck Todd cast. Yes, we're using that con- dad humor is allowed year on today's show. We are going to probably the best way to look at. It is considered your mid week. Meet the press we're gonna try to dip into all the big stories driving the wheat as it stands now. Twenty twenty usually these days at the top of the list, followed by whatever shut down or start up. The president is trying whether it's border healthcare, whatever it is. And then a lot of other stuff that's on my mind that gets missed out on the television front a little bit. So today, we'll dump into fundraising numbers twenty twenty. And we got the Joe Biden the touchy feely issues their healthcare coming back, obviously with me today to chew on all this or to people who occasionally have a sense of humor. But a really good reporters. Shana Thomas wash beer cheese for Bice news and Mark Leibovich chief. National correspondent the New York Times magazine Shana in Mark girl podcast. That's right. I wanted to feels different would feel comfortable on camera right now. Exactly exactly realize you're here because you're two of the people that it is okay. To tell me off really that. Can we actually say f- or like the? What? I can I can curse, but I did not last night. But I almost did. I kinda think you know. I kinda think I'll be. I've had these debates about like, do you? I've been caught on camera flipping a bird, and I have. Yeah. And it's on YouTube forever and ever and ever and ever and ever press. Like one of those off camera off camera. It's all Mike barnicle salt, which always play my job. I just didn't do it on camera. But that's the way. I look at it. You really wanna curse? Yeah. Do you wanna be call? This is only audio. So maybe I will flip you off. And just people won't now. That's what I it's not that the Houston Texans are number one. Okay. Yeah. I should should. We're we're just a bit of a cranky mood because I took my son to the national Bryce Harper nationals game. The good news is we saw Bryce Harper. Strikeout twice. Yes. Then we left up to fifth inning. So. That's exactly right. I jump into twenty twenty. Yeah. I want to jump in. And I want to jump in a little quick because we're gonna fundraising numbers coming in. But the president basically wants to start campaigning yesterday it meaning he's dying to campaign. He doesn't want to govern. So can you ever stop camping? I mean, officially we do off to always remember that they refiled to run for re election the day after he was inaugurated either the day of or the day after he was inaugurated, which not even Brock Obama dead. They have been campaigning the whole time. What what else do we call this? It's what he wants to do. He's more comfortable campaigning. Well, there's the old. Mario Cuomo saying campaign and. In poetry governent pros. Yeah. He he has not I sort of skip the poetry along the way here. And I don't know. Look, I don't know if this is actually poetry or prose. But there's no doubt. He much prefers campaign. Much much prefers the episode of nature of winning the hour, the tweet whatever. So. Yeah. You don't think it's a little free verse when he's on on the stump? Like, it's clear he enjoys it. And that that's why he wants to do it. It's fun. I just I if you were to say, okay when was the president in governing mode. I would have really hard time sort of like pointed to a specific date or hidden that he really immersed himself in do. We feel like twenty twenty races in full steam now now that we're in the middle of vetting Joe Biden, and I wanna get Biden thing in a minute. But because I feel like the minute we get into Joe Biden, we're not gonna be able to get our hands off that story. Thank you very much. Oh. No, there'd be a special effect here. Will there be a remedy is that actually in a script somewheres where? Okay. This is good luck. How long ago to that come to just like as you said it? I don't understand. Why just? Dr is witty leaning all of the joke. Mr. this tag, twelve o six whatever do. You know, what is this going to be editor we can massage it a little bit. So that's good. That's how it's done. See? That's really. Personally. I I don't want it to be full swing twenty twenty yet. So I'd like to answer your question and say, no, it's not just because can't we at least wait to the Iowa State though. We're not waiting Shawna. Thomas hopeful wish I could focus on something else. But realizing twenty twenty needs to take all of the energy. I mean, it feels full swing only in that. We have a president who as we said never stopped campaigning. We have so many candidates on on the democratic side. We have just a great deal of energy on the democratic side to actually get this thing going, but you know, they're five more people still yet to announce that we think will announce so any for the five can you name the? Try it people three I'll give you a hand. Just give you a hint to or former officeholders and three currently hold office. These are five all Democrats. Michael Bennett didn't have him yet. Sorry, make that six Abrahams. Not putting not counting on this. Jay inslee. He's announced has he really? Has he really is. I'm talking about thinking about having announced Eric swallow years ago. There's one being. Molten to Joe Biden, that's three. Okay. There's to Mars see this is harder. So many candidates steel Chila brand did her already dead. Let's see you know, what we don't like on podcast, wait. Yeah. Dead air. They're gonna end it. You just assume they added or the other two. Okay. That's the whole point podcast all the time. The good ones are unedited, John Delaney. I'm not counting. Oh here. Now, Jim Ryan and Terry McAuliffe. Conversation with someone about Terry McAuliffe. Now with the democratic operative. I was having a conversation about Terry McAuliffe and the joke that he was making to me was if I told you a blue like a purple state democratic former governor who has a history of being pragmatic democrat was thinking about getting into this race. What would you say? And I was like, that's that's an interesting Senate. And he was like one of his name is Terry McAuliffe, and I was like that different conversation. That's a little rough what because I by Terry a little bit. I mean fine, and we need to see what he stands for. And if you actually decides to run, and I think that probably depends a little on Joe Biden. But I think the connection to the Clintons this idea of going back in time to democratic leadership committee and the Clinton machine and all that other stuff it is it it was baggage for Hillary Clinton. It's why the decision was already made about Hillary. Clinton in some ways from the beginning. It would be baggage for Terry McAuliffe, plus Terry McAuliffe last name, isn't Clinton. So you, and I know who he is. But you want you want to ask one of those people in Iowa right now who's going to events. Do they who here's here's the the reason why had heard the terrier at backed off Terry one hundred percent. And then suddenly he was on a percent. And the hundred percent it was a combination of two things one. You brought up which Joe Biden the other is the mess of the state of Mr. Liebich. Well, no, it's not, but it one term, man. But right. Out and like this not it's my understanding the state Democratic Party, which does have mid-term, it's midterm elections or not yours. They have no head of their party. Okay. The governor is somebody no one wants to be seen with little tenant. Governor is somebody. Nobody wants to be seen with the attorney general is somebody that not many people want to be seen with. I think he's like like, you're okay. He's done an interview him at the Harris teeter. It's okay. I think other than that instrument. So they actually went Terry McAuliffe. Do be the face of the Virginia Democratic Party for their midterms. Some people are even talking about making him state. So either runs for president or becomes the state chair of the Virginia democratic carding LePage? You know? It's funny. I I don't know. I mean, that's a tough choice. If you Terry McAuliffe planning a life to be the head of the state Democratic Party. No, I think the DNC care part was just a warm up. I think it was just know he wants to sort of did the same thing. Actually took a step down and became the Virginia. GOP I will. I mean, you could there are few candidates in the field that you could sort of go down a list and say what what does Terry McAuliffe have. That is a really good quality. You mentioned purple state fairly popular governor, very gut tank, Tanner likes campaigning canceling mean like Joe Biden to sort of. I mean, these he just likes to hold the apparatus of it. But you know, it's but Clinton, right? So I mean, I don't know how you lose that. But the thing is maybe you just do. I mean, maybe the lesson. We'll get to Biden, obviously. But maybe the lesson of the Biden thing is just like let it roll. I mean, I do think round let it roll look Ralph Ralph north situation is is kind of a mean for his perverse at all is is kind of an advertisement for just let it roll just like not let the news cycle. Eat you up. And I'm not saying that he's like a a master handler of you know, damage control or like situation like this by any stretch. But look, your your are one of the more unaccountable positions, you could possibly hope to be when you were in one term situation elected off. You know, it's interesting about feeding frenzies just in general. And I think we're learning this in the age of Trump feeding frenzies effective until the until you're no longer hungry. I mean it like, you know, and there is a point where Trump figured this out along time ago, let your opponents keep punching themselves out. And if you just. I think it does. It does actually roll off his back. I think lives marks. Yeah. He gets irate in in private and things like that. But he it is the lesson. And I'm not sure it's the greatest lesson for politics in general or our democracy, but it is the lesson from twenty sixteen and now from the Trump campaign and Trump administration. If you just let them talk themselves out they'll move on before I get to Biden, and I'm gonna put Biden in a special box here. We're gonna soon Biden actually is not running for now. So without Biden in this race right now of the people running who are the three front runners. I don't believe there's one but give me the top tier? And if the top tiers three or four candidates in in your mind, and what is the top tier? How do you define the top? I haven't. Okay. So we don't you are not finding I've got a top tier in my head. But what's yours? Okay. Do we wanna go like back and forth or just do? Yeah. Let's go back and forth. You go first. Okay. I think number one Bernie Sanders and that a lot has to do with. Money previous energy from twenty sixteen. There are people who out there. Who know they love Bernie Sanders. They still Bernie Sanders. I am going to go out in a very weird limb here and say mayor Pete Pete already in the not getting there yet. But that's okay. That's interesting and put them there there enough. And then it's like picking Texas checking your final four at there. That's right. That third spots. I'm hard one three or four. I'm okay with that. I have right now, I have three and a half tickets. I'm gonna put comma Harris up there. Okay. So that you three right now. That's my three right now. You've anybody not in this top tier that you wanna put it. Okay. I'll put it in your ear. She got Bernie Kamla Pete. So you don't put PetO in there. I don't why in there because I'm not because I am not convinced yet. I'm not convinced that he's being overly Texan on. Yes. Okay. Yes. And so that is part of the problem. Also not convincing the race. Born and raised. I have a tattoo. There's a lot. But two is of the Lone Star state actually, a Lone Star is alone star keeping Beddoe off your yet. I'm keeping Beddoe off. My listen, I'm not convinced. 'cause I don't know if he knows why he's running yet. I'm sure can find out in the lebeau. I am going to put Elizabeth Warren in their top. I'll. I think first of all I think. I feel like she's been treated unfairly. I feel like she has been overlooked somewhat by people sort of Acela corridor focusing a little bit too much on things like momentum fundraising, which is real obviously. But look I think if you've been watching closely she's run a good race. She she seems to be capturing slice. I mean, she's very good on the stump better than people give her credit for her audiences seemed to really be responding to her. She does seem to be chipping away at this thing and playing a longer game as far as this us go, and and so we're having more traditional kind of democratic campaign. I I agree with you on war. And I think warrants had I think Warrenton nouncement speech is the most cohesive. I think that her problem is is that I think every candidate is going to go through an elective Illinois test. We are not going to see the Democrats nominate who we all thinks the most electable, but every single person who goes through the process of. Siding on a candidate in their own mind. Decides can they stand up to Trump whatever that is the we just don't know what the measuring stick is for every voter. But we know that is a stick. Yes. My concern for Warren is that voters have decided 'cause I I heard it Niwa. Oh, boy, man. She couldn't handle Trump the Pocahontas thing. She cave. She blew it. And you sit there, and so that one moment the DNA test is symbolic of you're not tough enough to go up against him. He'll eat you alive. I don't think that's true with her. But I think that is what has held her back more than anything else. I mean, I think I reporters in Iowa have have seen even when they go in to go talk to voters about a specific issue. What we tend to do on vice news tonight is decide. Okay. We're gonna go to voters. We're gonna use those campaign events to talk about healthcare. We're gonna see how they respond and then ask them how they feel about the candidate. They're seeing and the other candidates and so much so many of the conversations when they come back, and we look at the tape has been I like this person. I like this person who can beat Donald Trump that is that is where they're coming from now. Now that doesn't mean six months from now they're not gonna be coming from a healthcare lens. I don't know and I will not predict but that's in the back of the point of their minds. Right. But it and it's different for every person. Like what that means? Exactly. Which is why I think. It's a difficult quite we keep trying to come up with the right polling question to figure that out. And it it keeps the split is an seeing what I've, you know. And I and I think it's because everybody has their own. It's the pornography test. You know, when you see if you like to tag. How would I fight back someone to fight back? Like me, you sort of know where you see it just tell you. Why are why are we also comfortable writing burning off? He's the front runner, we don't. But my point is we all just sort sorta. Well, there's Bernie, and then we start getting animated about Colorado mated about mayor Peter animated about Beto animated even about Biden Bernie just sort of like and there's Bernie. Oh, yeah. He raised a bunch of money, and oh, yeah. This. Oh, yeah. That he could his way to the nomination. Sure. I mean. Yeah, bernie. Well, I don't know. I don't I don't dismiss any of what you're saying. And, you know, look, if you could argue that Trump sort of having and then there's four years ago, you're saying two and half years ago, you're saying, and then there's Trump and Trump is always in his own special category. I mean, Bernie has his people Bernie has his thing he has his brand. The thing about Bernie is he's a bit of a closed box. You know, what you're gonna get with him. You knew what you're gonna get within fifteen years ago. When I, you know, just when he first came to the Senate consistency as a good thing. He is only. So is what some people would say. I I am just I don't know what his growth potential is. That's the thing. I don't have to grow. See this can field. He might not have to. Here's here's the scenario. I painted to various people running other campaigns. And I said riddle me this Bernie Sanders come may one sits with thirty percent of the delegates. Let's put Comal on Beto behind him at twenty five percent each of the delegates approximately in in a two or three others with the other twenty who've decided to hang on to their delegates to play kingmaker because of the way the new rules. This do you think today's democratic party's going to deny Bernie Sanders and Beddoe could be put the ticket together flip a coin to see who leads. They could get the nomination steal. It from Bernie is Bernie people would say that was no doubt. And do you think that this Democratic Party has the guts to deny Bernie Sanders the nomination of he's the leading first-round delegate guy? Whether they should or not is a different discussion will this Democratic Party deny him the nomination, and it's an area. What I say is no they wouldn't. And I say this, and I say this because I had this interaction with the DNC, and this was a few months ago, where I we asked them for who they who is their official list of candidates that were in the race because we were sitting back in our offices, and we were like. Well, but exploratory the people who declared own no one's. No. So I was like why don't we just ask the DNC like Marianne Williamson? Give us the list, and then we'll start making graphics. It'll be great. And it wouldn't give me a list and part of it. And this is me deciding what I think the reason why they wouldn't give me the list is part of it is they don't want to be seen like they're the ones making the decision who was running after the twenty sixteen Gasco. And so part of their correction is we're not even going to tell you who we think is in the race. I think there is some fear from what happened in two thousand sixteen and how the party look what happened to Debbie Wasserman Schultz and everything else that they do not want to see him like they are putting their phone in thing. And so if Bernie Sanders has the most delegates I am hard pressed to believe that the super delegates will take it away from him. If it goes to a second bat, that's where I sit here. All right. It's time. It's time. All right. We've been biding our time. All right. Listen to the Chuck Todd cast episode one here from meet the press. My guests are Markley permits from the New York Times magazine Shana Thomas from vice news in Washington. So Joe Biden he is getting his turn in the barrel before even in announces. This is I thought the BuzzFeed story early this week, and I apologize for not remembering the writer of the story were basically it's like there's no debate about Joe Biden. Meaning we everybody knows what he did. And everybody has an opinion on it. The question is is the twenty first century enough for today's Democratic Party. That's the debate. Yeah. Does it? Go. It is the debate debate. You can't really have. I mean, this is the only the only debate you have is just again like we said before just roll it get him in if he wants to run let voters decide this. But look, you have a huge sort of divide growing ear, and I think, unfortunately, so many people inside the Democratic Party are determined to settle this with Biden like in the next two weeks. It's like, okay, we must decide are you for the time. I mean, it's a bizarre thing. And it's not just the media. It's like you hear actually Democrats saying we must do this. Now, we must have this conversation. I mean, this is not something that has settled in like the ether of pundit world. This is something that just because he's not in it. I mean, I do think someone asked me today. I mean is this is this is a skit that was a scandal. That was this. What the call it, whatever it's a controversial, whatever this kind of controversy is it more likely to to keep him out or making more likely to come in with a level of energy. He might have had before. So I've had I had somebody told me this week actually that some of the stuff is being leaked out for his own benefit. And I said, oh, really. He needs to know why he shouldn't run. And I was like, oh, okay. And so we're having a teaching moment. Well, it is seventy plus the Joe with the implication is this that he's not fully appreciating. How things have changed? He's not fully appreciating the bigger issue. Frankly, the people that are closest to him are most concerned about his hunter honor by the son and his business ties. The biggest concern is. That that turns Joe Biden into a conventional swampy politician that is son made money on his dad's access that actually is much more lethal to Biden as a candidate believe it or not then this stuff. What do you say? Yeah. Chuck is throwing to me for all the listeners out there because I just made a face. For what it's worth China's been making faces at any faces at lots of people. But okay. I mean that vs. I understand. I don't I say, I don't know a ton about the hunter controversy just say involves Ukraine uranium. It's things up. A bunch of words Vicks as words bombs, you know. On on on the president's meet narrative channel got that. He likes to to use whatever that thing. Sorry. I don't know what else to call it anymore. Oh, okay. Their narrative channel that is something that they're going to narrative lot. Yes, I make that face because I'm not sure in this current election voters care now if hundred did something legal, and and I'm not saying he did I don't don't democratic primary voters want more peer one a little more. Nobody this. This goes back to what we were saying before. And I have not done a full poll of all democratic primary voters. But it goes back to what we're saying before they want someone who they think can beat President Trump. And and I think this is an issue, and it's an issue that will be litigated in certain circles winning. If Biden gets in the race. I don't think that is a disqualifying issue, by the way, just so you know, we do have access to Google and her name is Catherine Miller at BuzzFeed. Kudos. I will say this. I I mean, I don't think anyone if Joe Biden he is a swamp dweller, and he's been here for what like ninety years or something. I mean, this is not going to be surprised just the stat that actually that. I think is the most telling he was born before our last four presidents, really. That's yes. Clinton Bush Obama and Trump all were born after Joe Biden. Now think about interesting. Yes. But okay. So I was talking to a never Trump Republican who is part of what might be quixotic quest to find an alternative to Donald Trump someone to primary Larry HOGAN. Whole thing. I saw Bill. Well, the New Hampshire a couple of days ago, one hundred people to house party just saying weld met. It is New Hampshire. It it. Isn't it? Says look I'm not running to become the president of New Hampshire that is possible in the Republican primary. You could become totally the other forty nine states. Good luck. Okay. But but this person has done all commissioned all kinds of focus groups polls about what a. Sort of soft Trump supporter inside the Republican party or swing voter. Maybe would be looking for. And she said, look, the Democrats should just nominate Joe Biden in an everyone shut that you know, what up. Now, this is of course, Republicans speaking, but a Republican who I think will probably pull the lever for democrat. Anyway, now, this is just the the search for the democrat Democrats don't know how the Republican party works and Republicans around the democratic and Republican party doesn't know how the Republican party work. This crap for thirty years where Republicans say, you know, what the Democrats, and you know, what they never do what the Republican says vice versa. You know, what the Republicans ought to do with democrat. And I always sit there and say. You're not a Republican. Why should they listen to you? They should just listen to what I will say I was having conversation about Biden with sort of a like mid level. Republicans saffron the hill yesterday also pretty much never Trumper. And she said the exact same thing to me. She said I would pull the lever for Biden. And she's like most of the candidates in the democratic race. I would absolutely not pull the lever for I will, you know. Right. Someone in just like she did in two thousand sixteen. She said, I don't understand why everyone's in a tizzy about Biden and being touchy feely. Clearly, he's the guy who could beat President Trump, and I would be I would vote for him. Any has you think the spooks them or not does he pull a Mario Cuomo and not get on the plane? I mean, I no I'm inclined to say, no. But I think he might. How's that for that's helpful? There's a there was a name. I was gonna drop it. I'm not going to do it. It reminded me of of a former reporters could be a girl might be boy. That'd be a girl. Do you think you think it's possible? I think it's possible. But I keep coming back to this. When you're when as you get older, you never think about you. Never you never think about the things that you did you always think about the things that you didn't do and he has technically run for president. I hear you Twas. But not this time and never the front runner. He's never gotten to do this primary. I'm running a little long, but I've one little quote that caught my eyes morning that I think is fascinating. Because it tells you something perhaps about the future the Republican party's pharma friend, Charles cope, cook brothers gave a rare interview. And he said this about wading into politics. He kind of regrets it now. And he said this when you get into politics, it's short term. It's about the next election. So you like some people, and you think they're good at it. And then there are all sorts of perverse secondary consequences with that. And I went and Charles coke is eighty three years old now, he's. Billionaire. So he obviously is a bright individual. But I always find it interesting. When extraordinarily bright people who've lived on this earth and extraordinarily longtime take this long. Discover and politicians. We'll screw you most of the time. Yeah. It to be it beans, and this guy is basically saying, I don't know if I'm gonna support the Republican party lock stock and barrel anymore because of that. That's interesting. Be. I'd I'd be interested to read the piece, but do you from my friend, the two two it was his it was his lead item and the Wednesday to to the name. Yeah. We always have to James. But using that as a guest on this podcast, formerly known as nineteen forty seven really hasn't. But do you think that's Charles coke realizing that money can't necessarily by him? What he wants the party or what he wants a politician to do what he's learned is you cannot do things on a partisan basis. He said the biggest mistake he made was endorsed Mitt Romney. And it had nothing to do with Mitt Romney endorse Mitt Romney, he said because his personal values matches. And he goes in his campaign was terrible. And it's discovering the politics is the art of the possible not of the gym at through any way, you think you can do it. And the cokes have made a point in the last couple of years of putting their money into issues like amendment for in Florida, a cook bay funded the unfunded that the amendment criminal Justice in this idea of like repatriating people giving them the rights back, which in their theory means they will be more whole parts of society, and therefore will be able to contribute money into society. 'cause they'll be able to get jobs and some. Democrats think it's gonna turn Florida blue. Yeah. We'll sue perverse secondary consequences. I mean, I it's a great Cup. I want to know what he thinks what he's talking about immigration. I mean, he basically goes mostly about that we are in. And he's just like he's like let everybody in. It was really Charles coke is calling for open borders is long as these people don't want to do harm to us. We should let him in. And they wanna work. That's where he is coming down on. It is fascinating. How Trump is Trump firing party and chasing away people that you never thought he'd chase away. All that. He still tells coke perverse secondary consequences guys words for the day. I have to wrap up because it some point on the internet. They stop listening. Right. Like, I could go in what we think of episode one of your huge fan. I'm nice, huge pants. You were. No it. It bothers me. Why? No. I think you're. Yeah. I think it's a fantastic show. It's accurate, but it is in that level of show that my friend called fifty and that means I feel awkward and embarrassed for the people onscreen despite the. Not that. I know that they are not real people. I hate that feeling. I hate thing. Are you be I, but I didn't see the first episode. There. She's what I find. I did watch it with my friends. Don't be fun is they're going to follow the democratic primary. Yeah. It's it's that will that will be fun. I'm not going to get into handed. She was accurate acting like she was acting like a couple of the candidates, and I'll just I'll just leave it at that. Pretty good. Pretty good. You're not averse out second consequences. It's the first time out what happens. Got to win as a Boston fan. And now you never stopped winning. Can you tell DC fans at someday that win something other than a Stanley Cup? They wanna Stanley Cup. What else one more than? Yeah. I will say though, that it ruins all the fun. I people hate like crazy. They do they have. They wanna see. Well, I I it's just. Fend him now. Ben craft emailed. My patriots fans. Friends win that story grow greatest gift evidence. No, listen, if I secretly. You have to say like human trafficking all of that. That is a terrible thing that he that. He shouldn't have. No, we need that Evers. But I'll take that even further by the way, we got a whole there's a whole like this this what with this would people do to get to this country, and how people take advantage of people to get to this country. This is real this is the nail salon, by the way, not to get off on a tangent. This is. Xs all around DC is the New York Times that was very similar to what this is. By the way, you gotta doesn't make me want to laugh and humiliate pass. Block of craft. Don't get me wrong. You might get that keeps like Jonathan Jonathan Kraft of you're listening. We'd love some supreme. No missing. El pais. Good ones. I really I'm trying to set a good example. I'm trying to make is it's not going to happen now. Whatever. Thanks for having us on. Thank you much for. I go let you know that the Chuck Todd cast not the only way to get your meet the press fix. This is gonna be your mid week way early this week. We unveiled a re fangled brand new looking meet the press. 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That's about all you're going to hear from me on this one because this is interview that I wish I did, but it didn't instead care Swisher interviewed Mark, Lema, Mitch. Greer times reporter does great stuff from Washington. One of the guys who sort of, I think has the ability both really understand Washington and all the craziness happening. They're really deeply, but also is able to sort of stand outside of it. So you get these really beautiful stories and size, and also just written about the NFL which is weird and screwed up and interesting as Washington is. So this is a conversation with care Swisher and Mark Lima choose new book is called big game, the NFL dangerous times. Okay, here's CARA. And Mark. Hi, I'm Karen Swisher editor at large Rico. You may know me as a huge fan of football. That's the one where everyone's carrying sticks. Right? But in my spare time, I talked tech and you're listening to Rico decode from the vox media podcast network today in the red chair is an old friend of mine actually from the Washington Post Mark vich. He is the chief national correspondent now for the New York Times magazine, and he's author of a new book called big game the NFL in dangerous times. I am so thrilled to have you here. And we have so much talk about we have besides sports ball. We, you know, I want to. I do want to talk about the tech element and everything else of it, but I want to explain how you got to this and so interesting is that you had a piece of New York Times just this weekend of about the sort of the conflagration between the NFL and the president. So it's sort of hits all your buttons. I, it was my worlds collided colliding. Exactly what you've talked about, which I thought was fascinating, and I actually also quoted you in a column I did for the New York Times this week. When you had interview with President Trump about social media, we're gonna take my social media way at the bottom of copy cat it. Yes, yes, it was a great quote. It's a really great code anyway, let's talk about this book. So first, let's talk about your background. You you and I met at the Washington Post journal, then I was. I was just like a newbie to technology from San Jose. Did you work for them or to the Merck for three years? And because my stories had like job titles and company names, he like David, Ignatius, who was in the AME for business who you, you knew. Worked for him. He seemed to think that I was a business tech reporter, which he made me. I was like the Washington one of the Washington-based people who did that, but it was clear that you know, I mean, I I, I was not. I was more of a general assignment reporter in San Jose and that sort of what I'm morphed into, and then eventually move over to politics and the styles tech tech career did not. Four? No, it I cut after four years. What was your big? Giant Washington. Let's see. As far as in DC or for his attack? Well, I, I did a whole. They let me take a year to sort of do a whole bunch of deep dive profiles, unlike Jeff Bezos and Larry Ellison, and Steve case, it was still oil and Bill Gates and Steve bomber, John Chambers. So I actually had some pretty deep DIVY profiles of them, and I got to know them a little bit back in their kind of it was nineteen thousand nine thousand good time. It's gotten in and it got me up Silicon Valley which I was happy to do and then you moved on politics. I moved onto politics. I don't know why, but I felt like you know it was. Washington, it's what you do at the Washington Post. You're living your left. If you're in Orlando, you cover DisneyWorld, right? I mean, it's like if you're at the circus you wanna perform with the animal. So and styles had a couple of political jobs open that looked fun and I grew up, you know, not here, but I, when I was just getting into journalism at the Boston Phoenix, I used to steal the style section because they got the post every is like in the late eighties, early nineties, and I was just read them at lunch and it's wanted to work there. Assistant there. So wait. So you were there? I did a lot of things in Washington Post. I delivered mail there my friend. Yeah, no, no, it was. Yeah, those are good days anyway. So I never really left politics after that. Moved to the times in two thousand six move to the times magazine in two thousand and twelve. And I wrote a book in two thousand thirteen called this town was about basically the empire of Washington during when it seemed like the capital in the hunger games was just sort of getting too fat and happy. Started out with Tim restaurants funeral? Yes. Actually, the next book might have to start John McCain, actually. No, there are no plans, right? Right now I'm just trying to get through the game. But yeah, I, I think that they're important. I mean, when you wrote it, a lot of people thought, oh my God, his career is over in politics because you really burn some, I burn bridges all the time and it doesn't seem to bother my career, but I in Washington, it certainly felt like I was writing that knows thinking as I was perfect checking in sort of going back at some people saying, by the way, I'm writing this and just seeing the defensiveness and seeing just a siege mentality in the how dare you. I was thinking, God what can actually write this is this actually gonna end my career because people are threatening and and it's entirely likely on pissing off a lot of sacred cows and and people who have been getting along for a long time and and as it happened, I mean, the opposite happened. I mean, it was like people kind of secretly agreed they said, and by the way you didn't hear this for maybe you should check out x and y. Yeah, it was a very, it was a really weird anthropology in a way that sort of confirmed the premise of the whole book. So I you, we were writing essentially about like I do a lot of rich white guys, essentially report goes characters and censor. And again, the analogies between the NFL and washing in Silicon Valley and Hollywood worlds, right bubble worlds can just written is lousy with money lousy with a lot of rich white people, people care insecure. Yes. I mean, everyone has an empire. They think that they run the placement. Everyone. Washington thinks they run the place right here. You're writing these political faces. Like he just wrote about Paul, Ryan. You wrote about like these big long political pieces, and that book was sort of the greatest hits of Mark, but you continue to explain how you got in the NFL you the last big on a political. Anything? Was Paul Ryan, right? Yeah, that was I did that a few weeks ago and yeah, I mean, I'm politics might be, I mean, do it's my day job and look for some reason. I'm still covering it and I like covering it. So I. Essentially a few years ago. Got I just sort of need a little break from this. I just I love football, always love football, football seem pop Warner. I'm gonna play in the backyard. I played soccer. No, I was a total fan boy grew up in New England. So I've been a patriots fan and everyone hates us especially now. So whatever. Sorry about that. But I decided that football the NFL like again, like Silicon Valley like Washington seemed like there had been a tipping point and there was a sort of mingling of prosperity, intense prosperity with precariousness, and it just seemed very nervous. And people started throwing the word like existential around, and I decided that I would sort of look into that swamp. So it's just there's a, there's a link, you know, they're swamps in this country, and the NFL is a big one just like Washington was. And I wanted to sort of escape from politics because in the last campaign was really starting to me out after, you know, not a long period of time, and I realize. I sort of jumped. I did a Tom Brady profile, a Roger Goodell profile twenty fifteen and sixteen. So you know, I. Interesting. I was interested. I had some cereal. I sort of said, this is the world I'd like to see more of. And so, yeah, it was. It was essentially, and I was doing the the book in my day job concurrently, but I realized that you can't escape politics from in football. I mean, between Trump's making himself the center of this season, you know, in wanting to be part of the story and just the politics of the NFL and just, you know, rich people fighting with each other. What was your goal with this book? So you will time started writing about the NFL at south as and what was the idea? Been lots of sports books, right? There's absolutely no, I had no idea what to expect. I have not a sports writer on the, no, these people don't have history with these people. I didn't think critical thought file benefit from your relationships. But as a practical matter, I didn't think I was going to get led into the club. I didn't think going to get any access. I got great access, AB. No, I d why I'm in Roger Goodell talk to me two or three times. I mean, Robert Kraft, you under the patriots three times Brady Jerry Jones. A lot of the big owner, Jerry Jones, how good time we had a good time. I don't remember much about the tape recorder was all of it. But yeah, so I for some reason they let me in. I think some of them right now are realizing that the book comes out that that they've been burned, but they realize, oh, you know, maybe this guy isn't just sort of like the friendly kind of outside thought, maybe he's not the friendly. They're all used to certain level of deference. They're used to being called Mr. so-and-so not writing about the things they're saying clearly, right. There's a big expectation that you're gonna take care of me on this. Right, right. Yeah. Yeah, you weren't gonna take care of, you know, I was non-committal in the moment and when it come came to write a book, I wanted to tell the truth and go when you went into the book itself, what was your conceptual idea of the NFL and how that change? Basically what the last one was which is to write the book. And hopefully by the end note it's it was a pow I, it was. I wanted to look at the empire I wanted. I originally I was thinking about writing a Tom Brady book. 'cause I love Tom Brady, and I love getting to know him. And I thought he was really interesting that hit a wall, partly because he's really busy and partly because I just didn't think that he could sustain a book. I mean, I don't think maybe a couple of chapters, but no, I just think that this is the great spectacle of American life in many ways. I mean, if you look at the top like seventy seven rated TV shows in America of of seventy seven of the top hundred rated TV shows in America. Last year were NFL games. You you see a standing numbers like that every year. I mean, the money, they print the level of popularity with the franchises are going for people. I love I, it's, I mean, the NFL is like a drug Lord and football is like crack. It's like an, we're in, it's a country of crack addicts and having said that there are declining and there was great awareness about the physical toll oven. There's any number of people who are not letting their kids play Swisher CARA, Swisher being one of them very clearly, and you have what you see here is really. There are kind of beefy football, sixteen, and thirteen. They play lacrosse lacrosse. Great game. Got to be careful there too. I agree. I had to draw a line somewhere, but football is definitely football. I, it's, I'm glad I have daughters. I didn't have to make that decision, but you do see the contours of the same kind of coastal versus heartland debate. And I mean Trump's one of the few public people who was critiqued football from the right he is sort of on the campaign. Trail said this, this game has become soft. It is permissive of political correctness, which is why they let Colin Kaepernick, Neil and all these ingrates who should leave the country. Take off them seriously. I mean, it's it's a real. It's a real sort of football coach's mentality perpetrated in his case by kind of like the fake tough guy, right. Someone who's ever played football on, I wouldn't fair that well in the field. So I m you do see a lot of the same culture war elements that you do versus you know, in the coastal bubble of the media that missed the Trump phenomena versus the end of the people that elected him versus the coastal bubble people like you and me who live on the, you know, living in the media, I think it might tofu did going to be eating tofu wins in Pennsylvania or Friday night lights. I didn't think there any in any case seep end when children probably. But yeah. So anyway, that's where I came from it. I, I love the game. I wanted to sort of see what it was like up close the results are, you know they're in big games. Things you did in the book, which I think is really interesting is what I thought was interesting, and it made me think a lot as a reporter is when you're. When you were a reporter of an area, like tech for me or politics like you do make trade offs all the time, little information, trade-offs access trade-offs, things that you salt away for another day, things that you know that you couldn't print right then you don't good reason. In this case, I thought, wow, he just could just not the whole time and you actually did that several times in that you had you reprinted conversations about access about that kind of stuff I thought was super interesting. It was. It was a real luxury not to have to go back into this world. I made my nose writing this town. I was always I had in the back of my mind. I do have to deal with these people again. And again, which is not to say I'm burning anyone. I mean, ground rule ground rules, and if something off the record, I'm going to honor that no matter where you're working, but. Yeah, I, I mean, this town was tricky because I did not have a luxury of being a foreign correspondent who could just swoop in and then leave. This is more like that and it was fun because these guys are really puffed up to tell me the kind of takeaways people should have the. And then in the next section, we'll tackle the voice specifics where football's going. Yeah, I mean, one takeaway and, and I mean, I don't really want this to be sort of gloom and doom football book. I mean, my love of football does sort of endure. I mean, which is not to say that the cognitive dissonance is or not very, very strong and very, very, you know, a growing. I think the game will survive. I'm not one of these people like Malcolm glide. Well, it says it's not going to be, you know, we're not going to recognize it and twenty five years. I think it will survive, but I think it will survive because of the greatness of the sport and a lot of players in it. But in spite of the people who run it and own it. So talk a little bit about those people. I think it's the NFL you could argue as maybe the second or third biggest entertainment entity in the country. I mean, say maybe Disney's under one, maybe apple intimidated. Just like there's a whole group that you would just sort of put right atop the NFL has gotta be two or three people think that people don't think that, but you have thirty two people. Many of them just really motley not people you'd want running your businesses who you know, who are these magnates, who you know jimmer say is the king of Indianapolis and Martha. Ford was this ninety three year old. You know, matriarch of the Detroit Lions. I mean, these are not like great, innovative forward looking thinkers. But if you're putting together a board of apple or or Disney, you wouldn't pick any of these guys. If you're looking for a CEO of these companies, you wouldn't pick Roger Goodell and yet Roger Goodell you know, has his job because his job is to keep, you know, not however many millions of shareholders happy or however many millions of fans. Fans happy or however many thousands of players happy is to keep thirty two owners happy through thirty two really rich, really needy owners, happy. And he does that by basically just calling them and telling them, you know, just taking care of them and making them a lot more money with when you own a monopoly is an NFL football. Loving country has proven to be pretty easy, pretty instill still making the kind of money that it always did or less. Oh no. The revenues are through the roof. You know, the Carolina Panthers their owner. Jerry Richardson was disgraced for some cereal, sexual harassment. One of the more influential owners in the league. You know a couple of years ago he flames out. He's basically forced to sell the team which he bought in nineteen Ninety-three for something like a hundred and seventy five million dollars, and he sold it for two point, two billion dollars. So you know, it's it's sort of that's his disgrace, right? Yeah. And FOX through however many billions of dollars at these shitty Thursday night games they put on. And so, yeah, those indicators are the ones right there. Making so much money in Goodell says they wanna make twenty five billion dollars a year in revenue every year, but twenty twenty five or something like that. So, look, I mean, they are making money, but those empires can crumble pretty quickly. I think. I mean, what's interesting in this sort of the Silicon Valley parallel is I mean Roger Goodell's favorites saying, and you hear this with a lot of the executives and there was only the paranoid survive. It's it's the Andy grove, right? But they, here's the thing. Andy grove meant it from what I my reading of that was be vigilant be a bastard, just like you just look around the corner just you just never know. You can't relax in the NFL. It was not out of weakness in the NFL you sense? It said of weakness, sensiti out of fear, you sense, it's it's defensive. It's just like, okay, well, what's going to hit us next? And we don't know we're going to do, but we're gonna have to react to it and we don't know what we'll do. We'll sort of muddle through. That's sort of how I hear the NFL's adaptation of that phrase. All right. We're here with Mark leave it. He is the author of a new book called the big game, the NFL in dangerous times. We're gonna talk about. Those dangerous times. He's also a reporter for the New York Times when we get back, hey, it's Peter cutting in for a second to tell you about our fine sponsors. You should listen. Today's show is brought to you by Zip Recruiter, the presenting sponsor of Recode media. 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He's the author of a new book called the big game, the NFL in dangerous times. What do you mean by that? I want to know what your subtitle meet. It means what the NFL is wearing nervous. The thank you paranoid, paranoid they think that the golden goose could just be slipping away how that could be. It could be any number of ways it could be, you know, cells and you reach a critical mass of people who decide that it's just morally wrong to watch football and their numbers just because of the damage because of the damages or because boring because it's or Donald. Says, Robert Kosta says. Oh yeah. Any number of people that Tom Brady's dad says, he wouldn't let his kids play football after thank twice about it. And Brock Obama said the same thing. I mean some football. I mean Troy Aikman I think said the same thing. I mean a number of football players today. So that's out there. And I think damages damages, but also for my political. I mean, the left has been very, very suspicious of football for a long time. I mean, you know, for its violence for it's over the top patriotism from the sort of what many perceived to be outdated notions of manhood military's our culture there Terrell. I would hope the, but Donald Trump has really turned a good portion of the right against the NFL talk about that. So he started, he's always wanted to own. I remember he owns something in New Jersey generals in the US fell. It was. It was sort of an up and coming rival league of the NFL. A lot of money was thrown into. It didn't work. Trump was one of the reasons it didn't work because he just pay these exorbitant salaries to these very high profile college players like Doug Flutie and Herschel Walker, and everyone else, you know, just sort of bankrupted themselves trying to keep up and then Trump after three years or two years. However, many years it was wanted to just like he didn't want to be the spring league. They played in the spring. He wanted to play. You wanted to have their games in the fall because they could compete with the NFL. No-one thought it was a good idea, but Trump is sort of had outsized influence and they did it. And the thing just spiraled into Trump's original plan. There was to hope that the league was so successful that they would merge into the NFL and that would be his way in subsequent to that, he's tried repeatedly to get to buy teams and the owners. I think over a whole different generations of owners haven't given him the time of day. They think he's a clown. I mean, I think most of them, I mean, they might agree with them politically in seven owners gave them that a million dollars to his inauguration and. Friends with him. I mean, in that same sort of billionaire, tomato, comradery kind of natural Dr fucker kind of thing. Yeah, it's, I mean, you have. I'm sure you see the same thing. But they need to see their books. They need to see these people if they can pay for these very, very, very expensive teams. I mean, Trump's last foray into this was two thousand fourteen when he tried to buy the Buffalo Bills. He lost out to Terry Gula who has, I guess, fracking manned magnate in Pennsylvania. You got the bills and yeah, no Trump they gotten it. Never got its four decades. And so it's a club that would not have him as a member and the White House is consolation prize heckling. So I still on a minute, right? Well, no, but he's in their heads. I mean, they can't escape. So what he's done now, talk about what happened. It's like the kneeling. The new thing he is President Trump has an eye for wedge issues. He hasn't had at something that will rile up. The base there is there are very few. I mean, the base loves football. The base hates the idea of, you know, players met me and most of them African American protesting the nationally. I mean, it's just a perfect. Trumpian issue. I mean, it's like Colin Kaepernick the vegan quarterback with a big afro with the San Francisco uniform. I mean, if like the gods of base tropes didn't. They'd have to invent right, I mean, and so you know, the vegan gender that would, yeah. I'm sure like other times from, you know, finishes talking. He will be transferred, but so he's like a perfect, sorta straw man for like the Trumpian rhetoric. I mean, permissive liberalism, but it's also for police to be so violent. Remember those hits us to see. I mean, there's a soon the book and in which there was this really rough game, and it was like between the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh in the playoffs. Like a couple of years ago, and it were personal fouls concussions, and playing the fans. We're throwing things on the field, and it was one of those, like sort of perverse spectacles where you just sorta tune in. And you sort of say, is like the civilization going to be broadcast live on CBS on from Cincinnati at eleven thirty. And Phil Simms said, this is a disgrace and the players suspended and Trump the next day at a campaign event in Reno. I think got up and said, you know, I was watching that game last night and used to watch these beautiful violent hits. And now you have these penalty flags being thrown like there's a rule for everything and like, you know, football has gone soft. Wbt in America's gun soft. So football, it was his. He was posited as the perfect parables for American used to be great football used to be Americans Balcon. You know, you can wheel people out here on a stretcher. If they heckle me. I mean, it's the same principle in football became like a perfect sort of culture, war metaphor, which he held onto. And then the anthem stuff ongoing, which by the way was like a relatively small handful of players fairly contained issue. It didn't get that much attention until Trump wait. And then all of a sudden it became story one and it sort of dominated a good part of last season and you're part of my book. Yeah. I mean, it's true. Yeah. I mean, thanks to take over. Didn't know. Didn't take our wouldn't let it take. I didn't want this. I mean, there's a lot of Trump he was hacked, didn't have on the game. I mean, it's freaked. Everyone out it flicks. I mean, there's in this book. I, my colleague Ken Belsen and I, we got to take a secret tape-recording of a secret private meeting between a bunch of owners and players in New York last year at the height of the anthem crisis, and the takeaway just from listening to that tape, which obviously, we're, we're thrilled to of listened to that league wasn't thrilled that we listened to it and the people involved weren't thrilled. But we, I mean, it was very revealing to hear the level of which people are just flipped out. You have these billionaires who can just print money who you know are obviously are doing great, but they're just so you know what's Donald going to say next. I mean, how do we stop him? How do we put a band-aid on this problem? And you've got a window into just the the squeamishness and also the small-mindedness and the salt in the short term thinking that that they respond to crises like this. And, but essentially that issue, receded football fans. Want to go back to the game, and that happened in a few days. And then Mike Pence students walkout from Indianapolis than but few was mama mama was their mother was there. Yeah, but no. So that happened, but but eventually they moved onto something else and the season progressed, and you know, Super Bowl ratings were top ten in history of down from the year before, but you know survive. And, and so they essentially handle that. And then for some reason, Roger Goodell and the owners decided last male, hey, let's make a new rule if you want to protest in the stay in the locker room. Right Trump's got a hold of that. No one liked the idea that thought it was going to be a disaster from the start and then and now they sort of six weeks later, and maybe that was a bad idea. We're still going to negotiate, so they don't have a clue what to do. They. And it's still nail. Right? Some will I think, but look, I mean, it's a monopoly and they're probably some kind of collusion whether it's legal sense of the word or not. But Colin Kaepernick is an employed, Eric, read his teammate who you know, started for five years for the forty Niners. He's not employed in the old with him. It's not a good career move. It's just not. And if you have a very, very short career in the NFL and you need money and you come from, you know, depressed socio economic background, you know, making a political statement in in a way that probably could cost you millions of dollars probably knew that high on your right. So what happens it is flames out it could it could. I mean, I think Trump in one team owners who encourage at though, correct? Yeah. Well, that wouldn't say curbing, Jerry Jones, someone more conservative owners like they come out and they say, if anyone doesn't do who doesn't have their towing the line and and you know, salute the flag during the national anthem. We'll won't be playing for the Dallas Cowboys. So if you're a Dallas cowboy, it's probably a pretty risky career move to do that. Some of the other owners jed York in San Francisco. I think Jeff, Laurien Philadelphia, maybe like a Steve tissue Kohner. The New York Giants hooved lives in LA. They've said to the effect that people can turn to do what they want, but we'll see. Yeah. So what are the other dangerous things for the physical, the possibly of moving politics into it? Yes, which has happened before it's happened before, but never like this. I mean, it was like there were some in the sixties were pretty well walled off from the, you know, the the Super Bowl era. I mean, this was I mean, Vince Lombardi was someone that both Hubert Humphrey and Richard Nixon talked to about being there running mate, was that universally revered? He was a Kennedy democrat, so, but he wasn't interested in in either one now, but in the early in the late sixties and in the early seventies up with people was playing the cycle. I mean, this was just like a unifying force very. Different. This was not the America that was part of it is that it's a different America that football doesn't unify. Nothing unifies anybody. There used to be an ad broadcast news. There could be, you know, all kinds of there's no Walter Cronkite to be the referee here. I think Roger Goodell when I asked him about, I said, look, I mean, I sort of put the question to us at ten years ago. This is one of the most uniform. The NFL is one of the most unifying institutions in the country. Now it's probably most polarizing certainly sports brand we have in America. What happened and you've been Commissioner ten years, like dude, how much do bear any said defensively and self-serving Lee, but also probably true. He said, look, I just think that we're just more divided on everything now than we were ten years ago. And so I think he's right. I think it is hard. We're in a in a place, especially when we have a president who's quick to sort of jump right into these wedges and make them as big as possible where people are very inclined to to argue over politics and sort of put. The us versus then dynamic into something that might tech in terms of football. A lot of people talk about tech solutions that you do. WJR helmets that could tell they don't want to know. Correct. Presumably, you know, I, it is interesting. I mean, there is a lot of apparently a lot of research going into helmets research into sort of detection and so forth. My sense is that could make an impact at the margins best mean football's a violent game. You stop it. I mean, yeah, they do. There's a new tackling safe tackling initiative where they're calling penalties or threaten to call penalties if you leave with your own. So there's that. And I, I do think that at this point they get it and they're trying to do things. But I think the more the bigger I think technology, you know, existential issue for the league is just court cutting. I mean, this is, I mean they've gotten sixty percent of the revenues from TV over most history and the ratings are going Amazon and Google are going to pay for those, correct? Right. But also people just turned off their TV. Better than anyone. So I mean, they don't have a handle on that and you sense there are some pretty smart people the league who do spend. Opponents by FOX, and I think NBC red FOX NBC's CBS ESPN and guess, let's see. I don't know who got the well FOX just paid a lot for Thursday night games and Twitter had something last year, but they did, but I think they got rid of the tech giant's we'll get in this. Dow, yeah. I mean, you know, allowing Paul Allen's basically as close as you get and he's he's sort of an absentee owner and he doesn't. He never shows up at the league meetings and and you know, he's not. He's not. He doesn't fit the classic profile. I don't know. I mean on the teams now they went on basketball team teams. I mean, doesn't well guess oracle has her name on the rewards coming off. It's is it coming off? Yeah. I mean, did Larry Ellison have any stake? I think so, right? So, yeah, bomber really care to pay for this. I've talked to so many in the mid like we're not paying for right, and then which is, you know, it's not unsurprising. It's also you're walking and doing this for forty nine. It wasn't a tech company was. But I'm saying they'd aren't as interested. They are not. No. I mean, you bomber remember, I mean, you know, better than me wanted to own. He wanted to own shorts and Ted Leonsis from a different generation of taps person. He comes from that background. He left AOL. He said, I want to own sports teams and we does. Stay the Cup. So they seem to want one of the pyramid. I was like, why didn't you buy sports teams? I like hotels. Exactly. A number of tells you what you're in when you own a hotel. You don't have to go to a league meeting four times anger and deal with like Mark Davis, and Jim Irsay, and all these people who are your partners essentially? Right? Basketball tapes. That's my impression if they bought them, but besides the money coming into it because there's plenty of rich guys that want to buy a football team, presumably absolute till the end of time, but but so the television, right. Mink, young people are not watching it this way in this this way. I mean, they're watching on their phones. I mean, like everyone else's laps and yeah, correct. And I don't have any sense that the league has like the kinds of executives. I mean, Brian roll up their head of media basically Sperry smart guy. I mean, I didn't spend that much time with him, but I was very impressed with and there are some sort of sub level. I mean, sort of number twos at the various teams that I was really impressed with guy like John craft, the the general of the number two at the New England, Patriots, and Kevin DEM off at the Rams and rich McKay at the falcons. I mean, these are not owners per se, but they're in the line of succession. Basically. They do, I think. And I don't know who else does, where does it go in a digitally? They're trying to figure that out. I don't know. My sense is there's going for about ten years. The Ken. Right now. A lot of them are about the the big broadcast thing I think ends in like three or four years. I mean, I think that and the collective bargaining agreement come up like within a year of each other. Like in, I think, twenty ten or twenty twenty twenty eleven something like this was interesting is they were talking when they were talking about the rights at one point. They're like, oh, they're going to get the tech people inherited. And I was like, no, you're not. They would believe me. They would. They would. I don't know. I don't know if they would or not, because the thing about Roger Goodell that I've found is and you see, again is very, this is at that time he shows up out there. He, you know, he's a big, her Balan guy goes, you've never missed one of those more times than I care. Yes, he wanted me. He's like, he wants to be a master of the universe. He wants to be someone who understands this or learn. I mean, I don't, you know, begrudge him any of that. I mean, I think he tries. I do think though that one of his failures leader is that he has. He just hasn't picked. A successor isn't picked like it's like any number of people who could be successors, just sort of kept some kind of weak in the same people around him. Just feel that it hasn't changed in a wet lot waste and other sports. It seems like basketball feels very digital and sodas. Oh, absolutely. People who know about how to get that. I don't know why feels like that's a sport that's of the future part of it? Yeah. And also the global caused not going to take over China tomorrow. The barely. You know, they're big in the UK they, there's talk that they might go into London in the next ten years or so Mexico City, possibly, but it's that sort of where they're the where they hit the ceiling in the NBA. I mean, you have like every. I mean, it's it's it's close to soccer. At this point. I love the players very in there. And they're very encouraged social media. I mean, you just sense that from the top down that is a league, gets it. And again, speaking as a fan, I've never loved the NBA more than like ten years part of my teams getting good again, the Celtics James versus Colin happen. I mean, he goes at the president. He doesn't suffer. He doesn't suffer in the league. He has his back. It's a different set of fans, different sort of thing. Are we're talking to Mark liebowitz. He is the author of a new book called the big game, the NFL in dangerous times we get back where and talk more about where football goes next and also little bit about politics. It's Peter one more time with one more word from our sponsors today show is brought to you by simply safe SimpliSafe home security is ready for anything that gets thrown at. It takes out your power. Simply safe is ready. 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We're taking a deep dive into the policy decisions that shaped the political landscape that you see from day to day to say, you don't want to get into the weeds. This is the podcast people who do like get into the week who follow politics because they care about health care, about economics, about zoning about inequality about the actual underlying issues. I mean, at the end of the day, you have to get into the weeds because that's where the policy advent and that's the things that change people's lives. You can find more information about us at vox dot com. Slash the weeds catch new episodes every Tuesday and Friday and apple podcasts, wherever you're listening to the show and be sure to subscribe to the show to never ever under any circumstances, miss Memphis. If you miss even one will be very said. Now back to CARA and Mark, we're here with Mark Leibovich. He's the author of a new book called the big game, the NFL in dangerous times. We've just been talking about where football's going. So I, I'm not kidding about robotic football. I'm. Totally. Not like there was a movie with you Jackman. If you remember, do you imagine that ever happening that it's their minds or anything like that? I know it's crazy, but crews. It's crazy. Now they're, they're post game interviews. Couldn't be that much different. Exactly. We're watching their personalities Pearl before us even program more interesting interviews have more interesting games in curve. You program them? Absolutely think about it. I don't need a break right back to the line of scrimmage, play violent as you wanna been the calls for robot rights. Of course, you know, the robots, you know it's never been safer for bro butts. Yeah, but you never see that happening. What other technologies these he does. Would you let your robot kid play football. Let that kid play football. I would say. I don't know. I, I don't think I'll be into the robot thing. What other technologies stuff on their body on their bodies. I mean, I think cameras, cameras, which is happening in a way that you know is very. Terrific, but it's fun. It's interesting. I don't know. There's a lot of stuff that you can hear and see. I mean there's there's some privacy stuff. I mean, I do think what's interesting is critical. Cameras are cool and you put them in a VR setting. You could be Tom Brady you could and they're, they're looking at that. There's no question. They're looking at via stuff. I mean, they are football starts. One of the advantages of football taped, perfect TV games. I mean, the shape of the field, just the pace of the action, the strategy just you can. You can see it so well on TV. And if you go into a stadium and only like seven percent of all NFL fans have ever actually been the stadium and you can see why you just don't know what's going on. You can't change the channel during play. I mean, but it's just hard to see. It's a small ball. You don't know has it and you're like, if you're sitting on the ten yard line and it's all the way on the other end of the field, I mean, you know binoculars, you're so you start with that advantage and HD is great football watching experience compared to what it was before, which is which was pretty good anyway. I do think probably the biggest technological factor here is probably around health and safety. Again, like I said before, I think that's at the margins. I just don't think that you can invent the per. I mean, I could be wrong, but I don't think you can invent a helmet that can protect your head for impact. Have lawsuits, everything else, lawsuits people just not not saying. Yeah, but also insurance insurance is really hard. I mean, it's really hard for youth football leagues to get insurance these days given the critical mass of research that has happening. You know, obviously the population of people willing to play could skew much poorer like like it did with boxing, and let's just sort of analogy here a lot. I think football, there's a danger and making it too much like a video game. We're talking like this Madden tournaments, and right jagged. I mean, it's like a perverse sort of intersection between these like really bar Barrick worlds, right in actually horrible arbox event. So I don't think there's a technological magic bullet at all. I think the league gets that technology can help. I think there seemed to be putting money into it. I just I think they're just sort of trying to muddle through with a lot of money. Right. And where do you so so in thinking of that because it's not an easily salt technical problem, also football or any sports events are something that is live, and so it works out really. It does have a certain ability to resist. Internet elements because five works, where do you imagine it going? Then I imagine the game for spoil. It gets shorter. The game will it'll have to get. I mean, one thing Adele I think is good at is. I mean football always assumed that they didn't have a time of game problem because you have three hours in his clock and unlike baseball, I can't drag on for six hours. Seventeen innings. They're, they're very mindful of speeding the thing up and they're, they're also mindful of trying to monetize which would be word for him. It's an old word, but you know, because he's Roger Goodell and it's an old private company that I think it's a new word. He's incentivize those kinds of the nineties back there. Now, I mean, it's like it's sort of a slicing and dicing model and it's like the the mobile. I mean, it's the same sort of way that old media companies are trying to like Wright clips, right things like xactly on you. The NFL gets on you if you use any clips. Oh, absolutely. No, there are very aggressive monopoly, and you know, as monopolies be and there's not another football league year in terms of personalities, is that something that's why Cps like it is we tennis sort of went away the personality? Yeah. I mean, there has been in football for number of years. Sort of like it's been called the NFL the no fun league. They tried to like, right, take the fun. I'm a patriots fan and Bill bell. Jack is most colorless joyless. I mean, it's like this monolith. I mean, I said in the book I'd rather, I love the team. I love that they win add rather like jump into Ross soups than go to work for Bill Belgian. I mean, not that he's asking a fifty three year olds, you know, former football player and pop Warner play. But if he were, I would say, no, thank you coach, but I do think that, yeah, I mean, you can't. There's not a LeBron James, Tom Brady is twenty twenty of them in basketball, no band, Stephanie Adam. Silver is sort of an in this bothers Roger Goodell thinking about who to bring Toco this year. We've had Adam there and he's fantastic, and I would love to meet him one day. I mean, he's like he is some people like. It's my smart. He is seen. Yeah. I mean, he end look. Sighted about anything like internet main like never gets overwhelmed. Right. But he's also, you know, maybe it's a honeymoon I'm in Roger. Goodell was wildly popular for the first five, six years of his commissionership. There could be a honeymoon, but no, Adam silver is like wildly admired across and they're not just sports, but you know, the corporate world and the players seem to like him in the fancy to like him. I, I think he's probably booed, but most I think all commissioners are generally I think he'd probably booed less. So when you think about this book and getting back into politics, how does that feel? So it's a, you know? I, I'm, it's tough, although it's actually it's good. I mean, it's it's been, have you gotten the requisite time away from these people are not railing? Yeah. I mean, the whole Trump thing is a whole different animal. I mean, like I feel like I'm coming back to not different country because I haven't left and I've been writing stories, but it's it's, I sort of thought and someone asked me the other day, I mean, okay. If Washington was swamped at you're at about five years ago, and the NFL is swamped that. Now, what's the next swamp? Well, so Silicon Valley or Hollywood. Those are the first to you here and I would love to the way it's I love California. Maybe one day that crash at your house when your fate. I mean, it's funny because Trump is sort of his own swamp. I don't know if there I think there are great Trump books to write. I don't know if I have the stomach to ever write a book about the Trump swamp, but I think what's going on here and I, I don't know if I could. I mean, maybe that's something worth into, basically I just need to get back to my day job and immersed himself in this for the next, you know, writing features, I do. So every day I don't, but I wanna write is much as possible. And I, I do want to sort of flex those muscles. Again ties magazine, which is we're for the times magazine my by have the good fortune of being working to Washington bureau. My bosses are in New York. Hi, I can hide a little bit. Sure. I go to work next. Well, it had robot Paul Ryan to go. I wrote about football this week. I'm unclear. I actually have to talk to think is interesting in politics. Where do you think this gets the game? Where are we in this game? I'm not. I'm trying to sort of stay away from the flavor of the month of like the. Yeah. It's like, you know, it's like in this go and Florida Gillam. I think you know Lisbeth Warren's someone, everyone talks about Cory Booker. Someone a lot of people talk about. I think Mitt Romney will be really interesting. Again, believe it or not. I can't believe I'm saying if he wins the Senate seat. I don't think he's winning the Senate seat just to sort of do something for six years. I think that he has some pretty strong views about where the party's going, and I don't know if he is going to make himself, but I can't believe I'm sitting here in twenty eighteen saying Mitt Romney could be interesting. I remember unbelievable statement. I can't, then I'll probably deny one day. Have it on tape. But yeah, I mean, I think both parties are at this major crossroads and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. How's that working at the New York Times doing that pretty wild. I mean, the fake news, failing new sign. Doing great, but it was a little perverse to sort of go to work every day and sit amidst all White House. Reporters, Maggie Haberman over here, and Phil Baker over here and Julia Davis over here and just like, you know, they're in the middle of it. And I because I'm an idiot, like do not want to write my book at home because I just liked to be in the middle of the newsroom. And you know, to sort of worked for me and I did it, but it was really hard and I felt like what it's like, I'm in this. Yeah, it's the circus and I, I'm, you know, I'm in the middle of the circus and I can't perform. My God, you're, you're the TV show, which I watch. I watch for. I started writing for the times. Oh, I love that. It's it's. A couple of cameos is right there. I said to Maggie, she'd been on the phone with the president and and the president slice attacking Tori. Chari we'll note it. Yeah, exactly. No, no, it was the day. I think healthcare went down and or maybe the first half hour, whatever. He and I think Maggie said Mr President, you're gonna put this. You're gonna go back at. Recess, and she said, no, no, no. I've had enough and I, and then she said, you've had enough, and so she hangs up and y'all, there's your kicker. Now that's enough or something, whatever it was Trump said. And so I was being like all work. Asher, she really appreciate. And I'm sure if go back to the story in question, it's exactly. That was an interesting show only because it was like a lot of guys guys wandering around and they all were named Michael, and they kept gaining weight and Trump kept winning and then Maggie wandering and say something pithy and then wonder. Mike is talking now true. There was an abundance of Mike's might, sir all literally gaining weight throughout the entire part at like really try and every time they gain weight Trump wins. Another thing. He gained weight to it was. Very interesting show. Funny. Every sports writer I met was name Ryan feel sports writer, hasn't Paul political writer because sometimes there's a lot of overlap, there's a ton of. I mean, I guess there was someone put up from boys in the bus thing. Yeah, we're all sports writers. I mean, look, I can do this. It's not. I mean, politics not that complicated sports. We cover politics and sports in a lot of ways. The way we do it is on such like reactive basis. Yeah. I mean, that's nobody saw the damage stuff for decades. Nobody saw that. Yeah, when it was brought up, Paul Tagliabue the Commissioner at the time. So that's just pack journalism, and one thing you do learn in, you know when you have covered politics and been in Washington for a while is we make huge mistakes, macro mistakes, like America's not ready for an African American president America will never ever elect Donald Trump. It's just like it's just not even going to happen. And so, yeah, we, we make that mistake or mistakes on that level on the that you know magnitude on a regular basis. And that's just, you know, it's the. The circular sort of group thing that prevails in every bubble sort of industry now with sports different because you actually are dealing with numbers on a scoreboard. You're dealing with a much more formulaic set of right and wrong, and good and bad, and success and failure. And in that sense, it's much more black and white world, so it's easier to cover and also, you know, the the real life ramifications and gambling on the games or unless you're getting brain damage the canes, it's not going to really add up very much now, but I think that one of the things you do no matter what you're covering, and that's been true with me is you, you've got to try to step outside the bubble as often as possible. I don't mind people. You know, when I'm in the middle of the group of reporters, people not knowing what like what I'm where I'm coming from what I'm about. And that's, you know, I know people here and I think they still, I would hope that they still think that about me because I, you know, I, I think it's really, really important to try to make yourself as much of an outsider as possible. No matter where you are, no matter how much of an inside are you are you know, my goal. And run into this NFL book was not to be invited to Commissioner Goodell Super Bowl party next year right now. Yeah, exactly. I got in the last couple of years. I got got a lot of work done, but now of I've seen that and. You could probably get in. I mean, I don't know. I mean, it'd be interesting to see what's interesting about the the initial feedback of the book is like there's a little shit storms, like New England or Dallas and Atlanta, or you know, places where local sports yet because they, they focus on the things in the book that their owner said or zone. So sad and it's like, oh, this is the thing, and then they ask them about it. I, it's, it's going to be good. I hope so, yeah, it's been so far. I'm sorry to tell you. Some main comb about-face gonna yelled at me on Thursday and by Saturday like, hey, girl. They need you, you don't. A lot more than you need them. I've got them trained. You don't have your political people. I don't own. Oh, the political people? Yeah. I mean, that's my word coming to cover should totally. I'll tell you what we should do like a job swap. Because I would I would like that we needed. You would be so fascinated. I was actually funny. I was talking to calm this in Boston today who asked me about a time up around the patriots and he said, what do you think patriots media cabal like sort of thinks it's like too friendly and let them get away with their much, and it's true of every team them and it's not just sports writer, but I also said, look, I mean, if our like the twenty five year old guy who's boss wanted me to make sure I knew what Devin mccourty is lower, whether it was a lower leg injury or a calf injury or a knee injury. If that were my job for the day, you think I'm going to stand in that coaching press conference in like the shit stirrer unlike have everyone the stink. I know. I mean, part of it's like you just information. Yeah, and I didn't want to be like the guy who just sort of swoops in and like big, Foot's all the local sports, right? I mean, I, I have tremendous respect for the kind of for the work that it working reporter do, and we're all different kinds of working reporters. So. I think it's important, but I do think that I think any reporter, no matter what your job is, what your daily mission is is to try to think as much like an outsider. To give you a last question player and owner, who did you like and who did you just not like I can tell, oh, player NO. So both Ted categories love, Tom Brady, sorry. I'm a fan voice. That was a sham and you can read all? No, no, yeah. I mean, look, I like the players are my favorite group of the whole, Tom Brady, look. I don't just because he's. He's brilliant. I mean, he's like not brilliant about, you know, talking about like politics or, but you sort of watch him watching gain film and one point there's Facebook documentary of him like this guy got them show made that ran on Facebook live like in six parts last year. And Tom was a sort of looking at game film and he gets on the phone. He says to was offense coordinator, Josh McDaniel go to like real three preseason games, Cincinnati, two thousand twelve, whatever it is, and he's just sort of staring at and he's like, you know, I could watch this in. Ours could pass, and I would not. I wouldn't even know it could be like to clock in the morning. I wouldn't know anytime at passed, and it reminded me a lot of just the coders that you sometimes see late at night and it's like you do see the level of genius unfolding in a realm that I could never appreciate just like I couldn't prepare when I'm told what's that? It's a pretty good player. Pretty good player. Jerry Jones is he's a rascal. I'm sort of biased towards people who are you know, fun and who let you in. And who don't really give a fuck. And he doesn't, and he's he's a complicated character and he's not necessarily a benign character, but he was fun. Steve Tisch co owner, the giants, fun guy. Also, he there was a story where he used a producer of Forrest Gump and won an Oscar for that. And he's, you know, she's the only person in the world on the planet who has an Academy Award and a Super Bowl trophy. And I was fact checking at the end. Is it Steve? Is it true that you're the only person in the world who has an Academy Award and a Super Bowl trophy goes, no, it's not true. I have an Academy Award and two Super Bowls asshole. So I said, I'm quoting you on that and asshole. We'll be in there and not like. Come on Daniel Snyder, Harper hometown, Washington Redskins lie. He's just a sort of a price Gouges he's, he's just, he runs off really good coaches. He makes a lot of people around here really struggled to root for the home team. I think Dan Snyder is someone that is someone that Democrats and Republicans, the rare piece of agreement can consider agree on. No. I mean, Dan Snyder is aids, you know, maybe it's perception, but he he has on the team for almost twenty years. They haven't won anything, but he's also just doesn't seem like he's made a lot of friends. So I actually. Actually, I like players. I mean, I'm not. I'm not saying that goes on like a fan boy. I just think that of the group of people. I mean, they worked so hard. Sean McVeigh coats. The LA Rams seems great, really cool. Innovative guy ballot check is is fascinating. And again, it wouldn't have a beer with him and he wouldn't wanna be with me. But you know, he's a great leader. Someone who's just had a mazing amounts of success and who is it is a free thinker. I mean, he could argue, I remember Jim Brown, the hall of fame running back. He brought Bellichik quietly to go visit a bunch of prisoners from the foundation that Brown has, and he compared Bella took to Bill Russell the great Boston Celtic Senator who was like this great social social Justice guy in the sixties and seventies, and he said, you know, Bill checks, free thinker. And then as it turned out, Bill Bell's freethinking extended to supporting Donald Trump in two thousand sixteen election, which was a bit jarring for a lot of people wrote him a letter. And I guess that's true too. So freethinking has a lot of has a lot of contours. But in football, I mean, he's a very innovative outside the box thinker and has despite being steeped in the game. For for many, many decades. So I would say him, let's see. Mike Tomlin of Pittsburgh. Seems like kind of cool guy anyway. Yeah, put it this way. All of them would be really smart to cut me really early. For don't want a big signing bonus. I have to keep it. Get Gingrich profile do yes, I do. Or what does this look nineteen ninety eight. Mark Levin bitch. I'm just saying like, okay, assignment editor and news. Okay, Giuliani, either one, both of them Giuliani has more called the goblins anyway. You're welcome. That's a free story idea Mark, Leibovich. Thank you so much. He's a New York Times writer, but the author more importantly of a new book called the big game, the NFL in dangerous times. I do not even like football. I enjoyed it. Most amazing writing. I still do want you to read another political book. I really hope you wrote a sequel to this. All right. If you think the valley can wait till you want to come to the valley, maybe just for, I don't know that people people do it. Just like, we'll we'll talk. We'll talk later. All right. If you like, please come more good writers. Here's the pros. Business tech and business. I never really could understand Tekere business. So no, I don't. Now. I mean, David, Ignatius realize this and it was like, you know, it's like when you have like a head injury, brain mix, new pathways like, okay, now I'm focusing on the culture of the company from the people moved into politics. They'll be here next week. So he'll say to exactly, yes, it all deeply into politics. 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All of our agents can says watch me just watch me by guests mayor, Pete Buddha. Judge of Indiana and growing tensions with Iran, the US blames Iran for attacks on oil tankers and considers deploying forces to protect oil shipments. I'll talk to House Republican whip Steve, Scalise of Louisiana and our own Richard angle reports from the region. Join be for insight and analysis. Aw, lark. Liebich chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine Daniel Plaka of the American Enterprise Institute, syndicated columnist, George will and Helene Cooper Pentagon correspondent for the New York Times. Welcome to Sunday. It's meet the press. From NBC news in Washington. The longest running show in television history. This is meet the press. Good Sunday morning and happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. We're going to get to President Trump and election interference in our new poll numbers in a moment, but we're gonna start with the growing tension between the United States in Iran. The US is blaming around for attacks this week onto oil tankers in the Gulf of Oman. Iran denies it was responsible. And there are fears that hardliners in both countries will use the incidents to push for a military confrontation. And B C news chief foreign correspondent, Richard Engel is in estan bull Turkey this morning with the latest on this concern. And so Richard, I is the US allegation against a rod that they did it being taken seriously in the region. And with western allies. I think it is being taken seriously sources. I've been speaking to are not doubting, the Americans accounting of events. They think that the Iranians did it. They think they did it in such way to show their displeasure to show their anger that they've been boxed in by sanctions. They think that the Iranian didn't want to attack US interests in order not to provoke at least at this stage, any kind of shooting war, but sources, I'm speaking to are I'm not hearing other accounts of who was responsible so Richard there, clearly is divides in Iran on, on how aggressive to get there's divides in our own country, and the president and his national security adviser. I know there's concern of an accident happen happening. I walk us through the Iranian divide. So the, the issue is not so much an accident. We talk about this. Like we're on a slippery slope toward war. We've been put in this position. There've been a series of events that have put us right where we are right now. Let's start with the Iranian side. So there are hardliners in Iran who've said for a long time that they should be taking a much stronger action, a more confrontational approach feasibly. The United States, particularly after the United States started to ratchet up sanctions put Iran into a corner back them into a position where they fear. They have no other economic options, they have been those voices. Those hard line voices have been losing out to moderates, but as the sanctions, get tighter and tighter, the hardliners are now in the ascendancy. So you have the hardliners there who think it's a good idea. Apparently to attack commercial shipping in order to show their displeasure and to show their strength. You also have hardliners in the United States. Who put us in this situation, who may have made the sanctions on Iran, so impossible that Iran felt backed into a corner, and it is reacting. It is very predictable. I've been watching this for a long time, and I could've told you, if you ratchet up the sanctions up to a point that they are unbearable on Iran, that Iran would react, and the hardliners would get the upper hand and I think a lot of people around President Trump Bolton among the know exactly that that's how Iran would react, very, very tenable situation very quickly. I assume is a as US military, the US navy going to be used as a essentially a military escort for tankers pretty soon in the Gulf of Oman. Well, we could get we could get to that stage. President Trump said in that phone call with FOX and friends that the straits of Hormuz will remain open, almost at any cost, so US military escort would be an escalation, let's see if, if it has to come to that. All right. Richard Engel reporting for us in its stumbled Turkey this morning. Richard, as always thanks very much turning out of politics. It has become something of a cliche, that from the moment, Donald Trump came down, that escalator four years ago today, he has changed the norms of our politics, whether as a candidate declaring the John McCain was no war hero, or as president siding with ladder Putin, over his own intelligence agencies or declaring there were some very, fine people on both sides of the Neo Nazi protests in Charlottesville. There's a familiar pattern step one stay or do something startling step to public and press react with shock outrage approval or all of the above step three say or do something else. Startling. Step, four publican press, forget about step one wash rinse repeat, the latest example, Mr. Trump saying this week. Sure, I'd take incriminating information about an opponent from a foreign government. Many heard that as Mr. Trump saying Russia, if you're listening, come on in the water's, fine, if you can help again, I'll take it, perhaps, the most remarkable thing about this four year cycle of these this one goes to eleven controversies is, how steadying mediocre, the president's approval ratings have remained through it all in our brand new NBC news, Wall Street Journal poll forty four percent approve of the president's job performance, fifty three percent disapprove that forty four percent approval rating is right in line with where it's been in the past year with just one exception always holding between forty three and forty six percent, consistently all of which is to say, Mr. Trump style is both a weakness and a strength a weakness because the controversies have kept his approval rating from ever even reaching fifty percent, but a strength because with each new controversy, it becomes easy to forget what last week's fuss was all about. They have information. I think I'd take it for years after descending on that escalator and Trump Tower and announcing his candidacy for President Mr Trump is preparing to kick off his reelection campaign on Tuesday in battleground, Florida, this week, he made it clear if a foreign government offer some help to win he will take it, this is somebody that said we have information on your opponent. Oh, let me call the FBI. Give me a break. Lifeless director says that's what should happen. The FBI director is wrong is campaign called those Trump comments a directive the president's directive as he said a case by case basis, he said he would likely do both listen to what they have to say. Also reported to the FBI, but after some Republicans condemn the idea of accepting foreign help again in two thousand twenty it would strike at the very heart of our democracy. I think the steady of thing I think as mistake of law, and the chair, the Federal Election Commission pointed out that taking formation of value, from a foreign national is illegal, actually. Black letter law. It's pretty straightforward on Friday. The president tried to backtrack. And of course you have to look at it. Because if you don't look at it, you're not gonna know of its bad. How are you going to know of it spanned? But of course you give it to the FBI or reported to the attorney general still Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell blocked, a Bill that would require FBI disclosure of any foreign assistance, while Democrats competing to take on Trump pounced on his comments. I believe it was perfectly willing to break the law. It's a legal. It is legal, what he said was openly treasonous to form of terrorism. So if the guy hates America, Mr. Trump's opponents are struggling with how far to go would you want the department of Justice, now that he is no longer a sitting president, to go forward with those obstruction of Justice charges? I believe that they would have no choice and that they should. Yes, there has to be accountability by Friday. Harris was trying to backtrack. They said that we department of Justice willing to go and follow the facts wherever they lead and ahead of their first debate. The twenty twenty Democrats are each trying to prove they are best equipped to take Mr. Trump on gigantic mistake, if Democrats twenty or whatever number we have go after each other, but former vice president Biden's rivals are already playing up the contrast that are likely to appear onstage. Give we are perceived as replicating a system that let people down economically and politically, then we could very well lose again. The same people say, we've got to have somebody totally new, we've got to change the system. Well, guess what? Systems, worked pretty damn well, it's called the constitution and joining me now is the mayor of south bend, Indiana. Presidential candidate. Pete mayor footage. Welcome back Meath presser. Thank you. I wanna start with sort of the news of the moment that we're all dealing with as a country here. What's going on? In the Middle East. Do you believe the administration is provided enough proof that Iran was indeed behind these tanker attacks? Well, I think what we've seen is compelling. There seems to be more information that, that we haven't had a chance to see it's a little distressing to think that because this administration's credibility is so low in general. I think a lot of people are thinking twice at a moment win America's word should be decisive. When the US says this is something that has happened in this is the consensus of our administration that should be something that goes without question. But of course, that's just not the case in an administration that has been extremely unreliable in so many ways being said, this is not consistent with Iranian behavior that has been aggressive and often malignant in the region. The real question is, what can we do given the facts on the ground to ensure a measured response that will de-escalate rather than inflame tensions in the region. Well, what is that measured response that a president Buddha? Judge would do at this point. I mean. Let's I know you want to go back into the nuclear agreement, but the nuclear agreement did nothing about the belligerent behavior of Iran. So what would you be doing? Well, the first thing is we would be consulting and coordinating with our allies. I think everybody has an interest in the region becoming more stable. Let me pause you there, full our closest allies in the Middle East Saudi Arabia in Israel in particular. They seem to be in a different place on Ron than the United States. Well, our allies in the Middle East are going to be concerned, first and foremost with their own security. We need to make sure that we have tensions de escalate rather than escalate when it comes to what's going on there. But what we see out of the White House is something disturbingly reminiscent of the kind of accelerating drumbeat that got us into the war in Iraq worse. It's got some of the same cast of characters, I'm still mystified that John Bolton who was one of the architects of the Iraq conflict is set to be behind a lot of the administration's policy on Iran, as well. And it's not only allies in the region, but allies across the globe, who have an interest in stopping any pathway toward the Middle East becoming any more violent any more unstable than it already is. Do you take comfort at all? That President Trump appears to pay more dovish about this, then John Bolton. Well, the president has said that he does not want a conflict, of course. It's very difficult to take the president at his word anytime he says anything but to the extent. We believe him. The real question is, is a dynamic underway in the administration just as much as in the Middle East that could get out from the control of the president himself. I'm concerned about that, and it's one more reason why we need stable leadership in the United States and a stable, international community where our alliances are study. And our word is taken seriously at a minimum. Do you think it's at appropriate? Would it be appropriate if they ordered, if they had the US military essentially in the Gulf of Oman as another way, essentially as a police escort for these tankers? You think that's? Yes, it could certainly be appropriate for US to use our Seapower to make sure that their safety and freedom of passage in that part of the world. That's so vital to the world economy. You're obviously making a generational argument during this campaign being the youngest contender in this race certain. So the, the youngest top tier contender in this race. It's an obvious thing for you to do. Let me ask this question about Joe Biden, that you've been sort of ducking all week long. What can Joe Biden due to you to convince you that he's future oriented, I think everyone of us is running our own playbook. And I think a candidate of any age could speak about the future. But I think not every candidate is doing that. And the future can't just be kind of bumper sticker word, or some vague idea. We throw out there. I want us to be forming policies today that are gonna make sense in the twenty fifty s that we're going to be able to look back. Do you think somebody in their seventies, you think somebody in their seventy s can't? Can't have a good vision of what twenty fifty is going to look like in America. Of course, they can. But I think I have the best one in my plan is to go out and compete with it. That's a fair point. There. Let me ask you this about the president's comments having to do with accepting foreign interference. If somebody offered your campaign dirt on, on, on either President Trump or democratic candidate. What would you do with that dirt? You wouldn't do anything with that dirt. You would call the FBI. This isn't even even look at it complicated. Whichever look at you call you. Call the FBI look the moment that you look at it. You have implicated yourself. And I don't think you would want to do that. Look, some things are complicated in politics and ethics. This is not, and this is not directly either a foreign hostile foreign power, successfully attacked our democracy in the last election. And there's no indication that they're going to back off from trying to do it in the next election. That's why it's shocking to hear the president say what he said, then again, he specializes in shocking us so that we can talk about anything else. And I hope that, while we are forcefully responding to the outrageous suggestion that he would do something illegal in that situation. It's not making us less able to talk about our own agenda of making Americans lives better off of delivering better wages, better, living standards, healthcare, and all the other issues on which Americans trust the Democratic Party. He needs us. Talking about him so that we're not talking about voters because when we talk about voters, we win. We will call out his wrongdoing and then return rate to our message because that's what's gonna make for a better America all the way to the twenty fifty. You responded to a question about this idea of prosecuting a former President Trump possibly having a Justice department, look at the obstruction case and you've basically open to this idea that if that's what the Justice department says, then they should pursue it. How do you if you're elected president, one of the reasons you've got elected as you'd have convinced the country, it's time to change the channel? How do you change the channel and prosecute? The former president at the same time. America can do many things at the same time, but it's not the president's job to prosecute a foreign president changing the channel means focusing on how we can make people's lives better. And if in parallel, there are investigations going on into criminal behavior by people who were formerly at some of the highest levels in our government. So be it. That's how the Justice system works, but the most important principle here is the independence of the judiciary. The independence of the DOJ is obviously not something this president respects he's treated it like it ought to be his his own personal law firm. So this test for your attorney general, you would tell you attorney general look at it, if you want to, I'm not going to tell you, which way to come down on whether to prosecute the former president of the United States, prosecution decisions shouldn't be made by politicians in that sense. And what I will say is any attorney general, that I would appoint is somebody who will faithfully apply. The concept that no one is above the law that everybody ought to be. Held accountable, whether they're a former president or whether they are somebody who's never been anywhere near the, the halls of power. That's the whole point. It's the Justice is blind. And I will appoint an attorney general and for that matter, justices and judges who uphold that principle if there is final topic. I want to get to is your ability to win this democratic nomination in general, and if there is one whisper of, of you will that, that Democrats have about your candidacy, many are excited, but you hear the whisper, but I don't know can he get African American support? I want to read you a quote from the Reverend Rodrick read that the Indianapolis star interviewed he's a he's a pastor, the uplift church in Indianapolis. Here's what he sit I guarantee it's going to be an obstacle. This is about the fact that you're married to another, man. I guarantee it's going to be an obstacle for the candidate from south bend. That is really still a touchy subject specifically in, especially in the African American church. Now, I think it could be overcome. Because we are gradually getting to a point of, and I don't want to say except we are getting to a point of realizing this is the culture that we're going to have to begin to live with and adapt to it. I know you're trying to have these conversations with a lot of African Americans. How are they going? They're going well. And we are working very hard to engage people across the party, but especially black voters who expect you to demonstrate especially when you're new on the scene. What your values are, and how you're going to promote policies that lift them up? I also think we have a moment on our hands when we can do the exact opposite of what the president has done the president has used identity as a wedge used race as a wedge to divide people who have common interests. I think we have an opportunity to reach into our own distinctive identities. And use them to build bridges to reach out to people different from us knowing that anybody who has been on the short end of an equation of exclusion has away to sympathize with people who've had different experiences with exclusion in this country. And if we build a solidarity around that then people who have for whatever reason, fell's, a lack of belonging or felt exclusion or felt discrimination in this country, even though those patterns of. Crimen are very, very different when all of us come together, we win, and we are all better off. But I do want to follow up. I've talked to African American congressman who really liked you and want to support you where their their some of their more conservative religious minded constituents who vote straight ticket democrat, most of the time would have trouble voting for you. What do you say to those politicians in Washington, who want to get behind your candidacy, but are nervous about this? I'd invite them to look at what happened in south bend. I'm from socially conservative community when I came out, we didn't know what the effects would be. It was actually during an election year. Mike Pence was the governor of our state. He was popular at the time. And what happened was I won with eighty percent of the vote. What that tells you I think, is that people if you give them a chance, we'll evaluate you based on what you aim to do what the results are with the policies are, and I have every confidence that American voters, especially democratic. Voters will not discriminate when the opportunity comes up to choose the right leader for the future people that it is. I really appreciate you coming on sharing your views with us and stay safe on the trail. Thank you. All right. Thanks for coming on. When we come back. I'll talk to the house minority whip Republican Steve Scalise. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like, tell us what you want to pay, and the trombone goes, blah, blah, blah, and you say, we'll help you find coverage options to fit your budget. 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Welcome back Republicans about themselves in a politically awkward position this week on the subject of election interference, you might think stopping foreigners from meddling would be an easy vote, but Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell blocked, a Bill that would require campaigns to report any attempted foreign interference to the FBI and an outside minority leader. Kevin McCarthy took pains to avoid criticizing President Trump's. I'd take it comment. So joining me now is the House Republican whip number two in the house, leadership and the Republicans side, Steve, Scalise of Louisiana whose book, by the way back in the game one gunman countless heroes and the fight for my life is now out in paperback confidence. Scalise, welcome back to meet the press certain. Nice to see you. Good morning, Chuck good. It be. Back with you. All right. Let me start with this election interference Bill. I know you voted against what House Democrats billed as HR one this large voting rights Bill, that they put together. But if they carved out the parts just on election security, there was an election security portion requiring paper, ballots, establishing better cyber security standards. Also would include I think what Mark Warner wants to see which is immediate reporting the FBI could you vote for that, Bill? Well, I had a lot of concerns with HR one, not the least of which were the first amendment violations. I mean you had everybody from the ACLU all the way to national right to life come together against that Bill because of what it did to limit, the, the free speech rights and religious freedom rights of millions of Americans. So that Bill is riddled with problems. It puts tens of billions of dollars of taxpayer money into political campaigns, something, I don't think most Americans wanna see their tax dollars used for a so that Bill had massive problems interesting that it was the very first Bill, Nancy Pelosi chose to move through the house was a Bill that far left, but it's been an example of how she's run the house, not address in real problems. But let's insecurity. So let's talk, I'm just asking about just this election security, this was not a small event. And this seems to be not unreasonable ideas here when it comes to the cybersecurity portion of this Bill, what Mark Warner's calling for could you support that? Well, there's a lot on cybersecurity. I think we can come to an agreement on. I'd like to see details on how she'd work with us on some of the things we've tried to get through congress in the past that are bipartisan dealing with cybersecurity because their concerns, not only for election security, but also on the corporate side, you've seen millions of Americans private data personal data stolen through attacks primarily from foreign state. Operators, whether it's Russia, China North Korea, or so many others, I wanted to there's a new store in the New York Times today, that highlights a more aggressive tack that the US government is doing now against Russia in planning potential, essentially forms of now wear into the Russian power grid taking a more offensive approach rather than just doing this on defense. Do you support that new policy? Look, you've got to take every step possible. First of all, the make sure what happened in two thousand sixteen with the Russians attempted to do to meddle with our elections. When Barack Obama was president doesn't happen again in twenty twenty or any other election. And so I'm glad that the administration has been taken aggressive actions, including if you saw the executive order the president issued a few over a year ago, lowering DOD to be more aggressive at making sure they can protect not only our grid, but go after anybody who's going to try to mess with our election security. It was interesting, though, I wanna point out, one, one little nugget in that story. Apparently the president was not fully briefed on this operation. I want to I want to show you one part of this New York Times story about that. It says Pentagon and intelligence officials described broad hesitation to go into detail with Mr. Trump about operations against Russia for concern over his reaction. And the possibility that he might counter mandate, or discuss it with foreign officials as he did in two thousand. Seventeen when he mentioned a sensitive operation in Syria to the Russian Foreign Minister, the president, obviously, was very upset about this story even getting in the public domain, as he tweeted about it last night. Do you believe that these officials made a mistake, not briefing, the president about this operation? Well, Chuck the president and the White House have already pushed back against a number of elements of the story. But the bottom line is the president's taking aggressive action against Russia. I wish that would have happened in two thousand sixteen when they were trying to meddle with our elections. But I think the message is being sent right now, if the Russians tried to take some action against our elections or any other country, we are already ready to go after them, and it should've happened in two thousand sixteen. I'm glad that the president's being aggressive against any foreign countries going to try to meddle with our elections, by the way, do you think that the Republican campaign harm of the house ought to pledge not to use any stolen can't stolen material hacked material? I know that there's been some attempts to get all both political parties to sign these pledges. There's been some hesitation on the house side. Well, I'm sure they'll look at that too. I think it's real interesting that the entire basis of the Muller report was information that the democrat party got from Russia. They solicited it using foreign spies of all people in use that to turn it over to the FBI. And then unfortunately, you had some people in the FBI with a political agenda against President Trump, who use that as the basis for an investigation to spy on then candidate President Trump. There are a lot of concerns, I think, in things that need to be rooted out within the FBI to make sure that doesn't happen again. Either. Let me turn to a Ron here, a minute, at what point do you think the president needs to go to congress to approve any sort of escalation with the Ron where, where where's your comfort level, on what you believe? He has the ability to do now and what he needs to come to congress for. Well, the White House has been briefing congress on what's happening in Iran, and how this has been building up. And of course, this does go back to the Iranian deal. That was a greed to in the previous administration and Donald Trump when he was a candidate expressed his real concerns with that deal, as so many of us in congress opposed, it back then, and even our allies. Like Israel oppose the Iran deal when it when it went through congress, you saw prime minister Netanyahu come to congress and give a very compelling speech against it back before it was agreed to so what President Trump's been doing to make sure that we're going to stand up to Russia. Our sanctions, by the way have been very effective. I think that's why you're seeing Iran take action. But this shows, you Chuck, do you really want a nuclear armed Iran. I think this is why the world, not just America. But our allies in the Middle East artistes earned about Iran, having a nuclear weapon, this is what they did without one, imagine if they had one do you think the president has the authority now due to the AM f from back in two thousand? To the, the authority now to, to conduct a military operation against Iran. Well, we don't wanna see it escalate to where it is a military operation, but you're seeing the president take action to make sure that we have protection against American interests in the Middle East, including in the straight there, where you saw this explosion, where the bomb was detonated. So the president is making sure that he's protecting American interests. I don't wanna see it escalate just, like I don't think anybody else does. But we have to stand up to Iran. This is one more example of why we need to be concerned about their actions before I let you go one thing about your book, you wrote about the issue of social media talking about the person that shot you his post dripping with scorn and hatred, toward the Republican party, and President Trump and the responses to his post field him even more, he was living a kind of double existence while quiet and unassuming in person he was angering confrontational online, a digital flame thrower combat. And when provided the anonymity of an online avatar, it's practically the same biography of the synagogue shooter on the right hand side of. Of the aisle. Same thing, the same idea, social media sort of taking over this, this man's life. How do you not violate the first amendment, and have these social media companies purged these folks before they commit violence? Well, Chuck what I've always said, is we can all our political disagreements. And you know that's what makes our country great. But when you cross the line and start inciting violence against other people that's where there's no place for that in politics in. So we saw in the case of the shooting in my in my case with the baseball field, shoot it as with others. You saw somebody trying to not only disagree with people politically, but then take it to that one step further where they took action and tried to take out in our case people because there are political police. Fortunately capitol police were there on the scene. Law enforcement made sure didn't happen and thank God, they were there and so many other heroes in miracles that I talked about in the book back in the game social media company. So can they get rid of these people before they commit violence? Or do you think that, that a violation of I memorize? Well, that's up to each of them. And you're seeing social media companies take action to try to stop people from inciting, violence, or in cases, even like the Florida shooting where they saw the kids say, I wanna be a school shooter in that gets turned over to law enforcement. And unfortunately they dropped the ball on that case they should have been able to follow through more. All right. Steve Scalise, the number two Republican on the house side. Thanks for coming on and sharing your views and tell you, you look as good as ever two years later. Nice to see you fill in great and happy, Father's Day, teach you happy Father's Day to you, sir. Thanks very much, when we come back election interference plus those Trump versus Biden polls that the president said didn't exist. Well, they do, and we've got the panel is next. 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Syndicated columnist George will whose latest book is the conservative sensibility, lean Cooper Pentagon, correspondent for the New York Times Daniel Plaka, the American Enterprise Institute, and Markley chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine, Slocum everybody. I want to combine two thoughts here, George, we have election interference and what the president said at first, and then he backtracks it, but I'm gonna read juice, something James home in road on Friday, that also had to do with the hatchback decision by the president. President Trump's announcement this morning that he will not punish White House, counselor. Kellyanne Conway for repeatedly violating the hatch captures in miniature his apparent belief that the rules don't apply to him and his loyalists the way they do everyone else. It seemed to me that both of these stories are connected in that if he thinks it small and petty and has nothing to do with him or it helps him. Ignorant article two is remarkably spare in describing the duties of the president, and basically, they come down to taking care that the laws are faithfully executed. There's evidently, an asterisk over that says a hatchback doesn't apply. But with regard to the way it didn't the president just repeal it. If he doesn't act. He's repealed. It. Yes. It's called a presidents do this. They call this in forcement discretion. Yes. That they're, they're enforcing mechanisms are spreads them. Something like that. With regard to the election interference when speaker Pelosi says he doesn't know right from wrong. She's right to this extent. He's a complete amateur in American public life, and the rules and norms are mysterious to him besides he campaigned on the promise, we knew this promise was going to be kept it. He would continue to do what he did in the campaign, which was violated all existing norms. So no one should be be appalled, if you wish, but don't be surprised. That's the problem in Washington is that is that Donald Trump takes, what are I think norms and and runs with them? The hatch act is violated every single day in multiple ways. I mean, I spent ten years on the hill. I can't count the number of times. I saw senators their staff violating the hatch because. The strictures are rather inconvenient. You can't do political business from your Senate office, for example. So if you wanna call donor anything else, you've got to leave you're going to go elsewhere. And so, of course, it gets violated the problem with Trump is that he has taken, what is sort of a bandwidth, and just toss it all out and said and taken it and taking it to the logical end which is violating. The thing is, though, that norms are things that are essentially respected within a very, very small bubble, which is basically washing Thompson came to public life. Most people in America don't know what the hatch hatch act is. And they would it will not only boy, I don't know if they care or not. But they would say, well, wait, isn't it? Don't White House. Don't isn't Kellyanne Conway supposed to defend the president's supposed to attack his, there's a level of common sense that I think the president does align with that does win over a lot of his supporters, and yet he's chipping away at all these things, and there's the little ones, and the unintended consequence of all this. Could be come November that the losing side, no matter who it is doesn't believe the result. I think that's absolutely true. I think that I mean it's not just the hatchback is it's I cover the military. So I pay a lot of attention to, you know, Trump as commander in chief, and he has gone so far on the whole, you know. Violating this whole principle of not politicizing, the military that, you know, the whole thing with the US McCain back in, in, in Tokyo when he was in Yokosuka when he was visiting last month was was another example of this. And when you have this sort of thing repeatedly, I wonder what happens to us, you know, once once Trump is gone, what happens when you've taken, so many of these accepted norms and ways of, of doing of conducting ourselves in how does the next person. How you bring it back. I guess, maybe they will introduce more codified laws. Let me turn a little bit to the president's political prospects. He's launching his reelection campaign on Tuesday, those infamous Trump, Biden polls, while we got her hands on pretty much all of them, let me show you them and why the president didn't like that. They went public as much here is Virginia. Maine, Minnesota Michigan, as you can see if forties, the best he does in any of those states with Biden, and these are all just Biden Trump matchup. They tested everybody, but Biden was the strongest and look at Biden's numbers there. Now look at this North Carolina, Iowa Ohio, these were all three states that Trump carried, he's down eight in North Carolina seven in Iowa. Ohio just one I think that tells you a little bit more about where Ohio's headed there. We also had in Texas Trump was only up to in Georgia. Our source tells us if Biden is up six and he had double digit leads in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Florida by the way, the camp, the campaign didn't dispute. The numbers campaign manager Brad par scale gave us this quote, all news about the president's polling is completely false. The president's new polling is extraordinarily and is never numbers have never been better. My colleague, Kristen Welker is now reporting right now. We breaking that apparently, the Trump campaign is going to be firing some pollsters, he leaving. They were behind this leak, George. These numbers aren't surprising to me. No. No shooting the messengers and surprising either. Yeah. In fact, they're worse numbers for him in the sense that in a dozen states that he carried in two thousand sixteen his disapproval over fifty percent. Those are states he carried. So if you have to bet your net worth on the next election bet on anybody. But Mr. Trump. Oh, wow. We'll just say after twenty sixteen I'm just not entirely sure that this soon in the game. We pay any attention to any of this. This is the president pays a lot of attention to this, which that is, what is sort of is. He can't never let them sh. He never wants to show weakness poll. He's flatlined is banned between forty two percent and forty six percent. That's not it's not early to say that now almost two years of this, that, that represents is floor under ceiling. Here's a bigger problem. It's not just that so the ballot tests, the job number and has personal rating or all aligning, usually a successful, reelected, president has one of those as an outlier in a positive way, either a winning personality, or they like the agenda. But don't like the person he doesn't have that. It's there's no choice. It's, it's do you like Donald Trump or don't you like Donald Trump and a generic democrat, he's gonna run against a real person. Well, this was against a real job. I think is a stand in for a generic democrat case, and he'll be he will represent that remark. Well, no, I mean look, he's, he's someone people know. Right. I mean he people know what they're getting with him. So he will be defined. But I mean look, if he goes against Elizabeth Warren against people to judge. It's a whole different dynamic in a race. It is, we'll say the president, I have I have a feeling they're going to release new poll numbers that show. Just him new winning winning winning winning. When we come back, Americans have never been more United on abortion and more divided at the same time when you see these new numbers. Next. The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's go tickling the ivories. He just saved by bundling home and auto. Progressive gonna finally by a ring for that gal of yours. Hugo, send him. Oh condolences. This next one is freed. There's. In my. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on available in all states or situations. The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's you go tickling the ivories. He just saved by bundling home and auto. Progressive gonna finally by a ring for that gal of yours. Hugo, send condolences. There's there's. In my. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on available in all states or situations. Welcome back dated time. This week's new NBC news Wall Street Journal poll, so the highest percentage ever Americans think abortion should be legal all or most of the time. But we need into the responses it shows a larger trend that has major implications for both political parties. Overall, the number of Americans saying abortion, should be legal all or most of the time has climbed to fifty six percent that is actually up seven points since two thousand eight eleven years ago, and what's remarkable is the consistency. It's up amongst all groups, the percentage of men saying abortion, should be legal all or most of the time has climbed two points. Eight women climbed eleven points. It's also climbed thirteen points. Democrats even four points Republicans. But those numbers don't mean the country as made final decision on this issue. We noticed another trend in these polls. A hardening of us on both sides, this poll showed a record number of people who want abortions to be legal in all cases. But it also shows a big jump in the number of people one. On abortion to be illegal without exceptions legal in all cases at thirty four percent. That's free from last year and illegal without exceptions is at twelve percent. That's five points. Higher than March twenty eight. You can probably guess, what's driving this movement? The partisan divide shows up in the hardening of these use among core. Republicans, those that strongly backed the party twenty seven percent say abortion should be illegal with no exceptions. That's up nine points from eighteen percent in two thousand eighteen and among Democrats, fifty eight percent say they want abortion to always be legal that's up eight points from March of twenty eighteen yes overall, the movement is towards legality, not a way for. 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Joe Biden in, in the in the crosshairs. Now obviously the rest of the field is figured out. The Joe Biden's ahead. I mean it's natural political gravity. Right. You can't talk only about Donald Trump and frankly, Joe Biden makes it pretty easy foil. He is not Barack Obama. He's run quite unsuccessfully for president twice. I mean he was beloved but in kind of goofy, uncle kind of way and you do sort of wonder what I mean how you're gonna work as a contrast item generation Lii and as all three of those Democrats just said as someone who is is just the return to yesterday. And these are three Democrats under- the fifty five let me put up the debate matchups here for our big first round of debates night. One. The big name is Elizabeth Warren, but you also Amy klobuchar shar Cory Booker, in particular, their Rourke, people that six weeks ago. It said, this is the big night of the debate. Let's look at night, too, which is the Joe Biden night. Joe biden. Bernie Sanders, comma Harris Pete Buddha ginger one two three four. Let alone. Also, you're marrying Williamson's and Andrew. Gang there. George, will you look at those lineups Elizabeth Warren be happy that she's not that she gets a night, essentially as the front runner. I front runner of the of the debate, she's participating sure to not be on the stage with Biden, and she can assume that the other nine people were on the stage with Biden, we'll do their duty which is to treat him as opinion in somewhere and she stands above it, and they'll be lots of other debates down the road when she'll be next to him by then. He will be scarred. You know, it's really interesting Helene in our poll. We're showing Elizabeth Warren on the move. A little bit. I wanna show we've been testing. All of these candidates are Fouzy ask about the idea of this person running for president. This is just among democratic primary voters, we've been testing this all for the first six months, and he's, you can see here, Biden Sanders. Their enthusiasm numbers have dropped since March. Elizabeth warns enthusiasm number has gone up since March, in fact, more enthusiastic among democratic primary voters for her and the other. Two. That's that was really interesting seeing her jump over Bernie Sanders as well. But I think she has she still has a lot of room to move up. I think on the Biden issue is just it's, it's to me, it feels just really obvious. These guys are all going after Biden, because he's the guy to beat is not at this point, you know, there's a, there's a reason while he why he has soom this front runner status so listening to boot a judge, and listening to beta Arar work as they're taking on Joe Biden. There's a lot of concern, and they feel that this is who they're going to have to defeat in order to, to, to win the nomination like this. No. You know why? Because the Republican the Republican party in the in the run up to the last election was just such an awful spectacle watching one person after another go after each other in this circular firing squad. So I actually feel a little bad for poor old, Joe Biden, and of course, Joe Biden is old, but so is Bernie Sanders. And by the way. Elizabeth Warren, by the way, the same age is Hillary Clinton states can be double edged sword. It can be, but you know what, what we're going to watch for the next year and a half is the Democrats going after their number one person in the poll, so Elizabeth Warren, they're coming for you. Yeah. Doesn't matter how many of the Democrats attack Biden as long as Trump keeps attacking by. He can be happy nineteen sixty six Nixon's campaigning around the country for leaders that gets under Lyndon Johnson skin Lyndon Johnson denounces him as a chronic campaigner, making him the focus of all the Republicans. And he went on to be elected. Well, that is something that is interesting here Mark Leibovich. The Trump campaign has been trying to get the president to directors tweets at people other than Biden, go after Warren again, and he's kind of go after Bernie, do something to make the Democrats have to own the farther left candidates, rather than by I think that that's right. We'll look Donald Trump looks at polls, we know that. Oh, yes. The polls now he's very present focus, right? He sees these polls, and he sees Biden against him. So he's going to focus on Joe Biden. I don't think the president of real, I mean, I think the president is, I think, frankly struggling on how to define Joe Biden. Joe Joe Biden is chain. Known entity certainly in America and the Democratic Party and Donald Trump has an easier time just talking about people who are out in the public sphere is he's been he's not gonna second. I don't know why his campaign second guessing him so much. This is the one thing that he actually has shown seems to have a little bit of gut instinct has a good feel for it, right? So he's got after by now. It'd be after whoever's next when the time comes it is interesting how he's very dismissive of comma Harris and compete booted your right now. And I don't understand why he's being that dismissive right now of both of them knows Joe Biden, because he's used to going after he hasn't been able to come up with a good enough name. I mean, the Alfred Newman, one didn't work peach, put a judge sort of. Raced it. So that didn't really work for him. Sleepy Joe hasn't really necessarily worth that will that will either, but he's more comfortable going after the people come Harris, I think will definitely be problematic for him because that's that, that one where he's going to have to really temper, his, his natural sort of sexist tendencies. That's my curiosity joy, I think he doesn't know yet both the you're right about commerce, but I think the same thing with Bhutto. He they have not figured out how to go after this guy. Sleepy. I'm one of leap president. No, I think that's right. I think that he's uneasy when he cannot pigeonhole somebody. You know, the other thing about Elizabeth Warren, I mean, just to sort of not talk about this much of a horse race is one of the reasons she's doing better as people say that she's actually running very good campaign. I mean these are these are. Yesterday a plan for that. And people like applauded people are noticing. She's playing a little tortoise here. That seems to be working guys. Thank you very much. That's all we have for today. Thank you for watching happy, Father's Day. All you dads out there. Remember we'll be back next week because if it's Sunday, it's meet the press. Hi, it's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey Jamie. 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Mark Leibovich

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Mark Leibovich

"And. Welcome to words matter with Katie Barlow and Joe Lockhart. Welcome to words matter. I'm Katie Barlow. Our goal is to promote objective reality. As a wise man once said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Not their own facts words, have power and words have consequences. Joe, and I are thrilled to be joined today by award winning journalist and bestselling author. Mark Liebich Mark is the chief national correspondent for the New York Times magazine and among other books. He's the author of blockbuster bestsellers, including this town to parties and a funeral plus plenty of LA parking in America's gilded capital as well. As big game the NFL in dangerous times too must reads or muss listens. If that's how you consume your reading Markley. Welcome to words matter. It's great to be here. Thanks for having me, Mark. When you wrote this town only, Bob Woodward? I think gets people worked up as much in advance of the book, and you found an event that crystallized your cynical view of Washington DC, which is the Tim rustler funeral. You recently wrote about George Conway, Kellyanne Conway's. Not not funeral marriage. Well, you know, it's just whatever partout it struck me that if you were going to write a sequel that might be the same scene is. I mean, how, you know talk as much about as you. I have about this town is you think is relevant Scher, but I'm really interested in because you have this unique perspective on Washington. How you think Trump has changed it? And as you know, is that marriage like, you know, is that your lead? Yeah. I, you know, it's funny. I do think this way this is sort of thinking cinema graphically about how one would write a book or a movie or something like that. And and the Tim russert funeral scene which took place at the Kennedy Center, but also took place. I mean, you were by sume at all of them. I mean pointed to Adam the burial. There was the wake at which was at at and it was a number of different venues at rolled over several different days because it was NBC. And because it was Tim russert. There was all kinds of coverage attached to it. But it w-. Also a moment where it was just a Washington moment. A giant has died. The Obamas the Clintons the bushes. The McCain's are all sort of a Sembwang on the Kennedy Center to pay respects to this giant of journalism giant of Washington giant of the revolving door, basically because he, you know, very freely went from the political world of the media world. Basically, it was an end of sort of an old media franchise, the beginning of the internet as sort of a political force. And so it was a moment where I could introduce a lot of characters if I were going to do something like that. Now, the Conway marriage is a great metaphor for the Trump era in that there's always been this this Washington trope, though, he's a democrat. She's a Republican is an acute that they went up together. How do they stand? Each other. The Carville Madeline thing is is kind of the prototype of that. But Jordan Kellyanne Conway, this example of a Trump era marriage, a Trump era relations. A Trump era thing that just goes completely perverse from the start. You have a husband and wife seemingly very sincerely feuding over a political figure Donald Trump. It's very ugly their children involved, they could be putting us all on. That's always a possibility in the Trump world. They could be looking to monetize this down the road. You can I mean, it's lends itself to all kinds of very cynical and devious. But maybe I guess not maybe not empathy. But just there there's a lot going on take out the empathy in all of this. Then is right up your ad, e I have empathy. You have totally have empathy. But we'll come back to our to. Right. If I were what why don't we just will put this up? Yeah. If I were to write a book, though about this this era in Washington. A Trump era version of this town, which I have thought about admit the John McCain funeral I think would be the bigger production because it's hard to kind of write a scene around a marriage or a thing or just a spectacle that unfold on Twitter on. TV through Trump because it's a little tired almost on its face. But the McCain funerals, I think a good sort of record ask moment to kind of look at old new transitions. And it's always good to start with a funeral if he end, and but for those who either haven't read the book, which I can't believe there's many, but who weren't around dresser was a giant journalism and got no proper send-off. Yeah. But you are perspective was more to show the grotesque angling and positioning a funeral where people were wearing all access badges. They were like I don't have a blue badge that gets me to the Kennedy Center. I have a red badge that gets me to the Barrett. And it was it. It was grotesque and McCain that seemed more appropriate. I guess it was but it was also a made for TV production. Everyone was there was by partisan. It was also Trumpy in that it was he was sort of the bogeyman of the whole thing. And yet he was at the center of everything you had Lindsey Graham getting. Vodka Jared invited for whatever number of reasons. Also, it was very much of the times. There was kind of like a quiz metoo section of the of the of the National Cathedral. You had Charlie rose coming out in public for the first time in a while Leon. I mean the. George. Yes. Bush Obama Clinton coming together of the not so long ago, Washington. I mean, George Herbert Walker Bush funerals that same kind of thing this is the club, and it's a bipartisan club, and we're still here. Even though you're still there in by the way, you're not invited. And even if you are invited to George anyone's funeral. You're not really invited. I'm gonna let me hug this. And I'm gonna give it to Katie is the club broken is the club disbanded forever. I don't think. So I don't think the club is going anywhere. I think Washington is. I think the swamp is alive, and well, I think it's fertile. Yes. There's a lot of hand wringing about the reality show in the middle of everything. But you walk around Washington people are doing very very, well, they have their gigs. They certainly have their, you know, booming economy. I mean, I don't know a lot of people who are suffering beyond very real psychic damage to the Republic that you can really your is at over what's going on here, which I think is absolute. Sincere and in many cases, absolutely appropriate. But I think people still live here. People still wanna live here. And I think people are still getting along fabulously in the circles that many people are accustomed to seeing us getting along. It's in the context of DC still being swampy as it perhaps was then in new saying may be considered writing a book on the air. Now, I want to ask you if you think things really are different and uniquely Trumpian. And if there is something different about Trump, and what that is. And Jim Komi just described in New York Times piece. He described his spin or his understanding of it this way, he said, quote, amoral leaders have a way of revealing the character of those around them. And now they're many characters that we could talk about here. Jim Komi was talking about those in the department of Justice. But I want to ask you, what is it about Trump that feels different or is that the wrong way to go about it? And this is just same old same old. It's not same old same old. And it doesn't just feel different is different. I mean, there's no. Question about it. And I think the only way I would do a book like this is if there could be hope imbedded into it because otherwise I would jump out the window and enough because I'm queasy over these things. But because I just I think it's way too easy to say. Like, look, this is bad. This is a moral. This is more. I mean, I do think one hope that people are one sort of hopeful signed or these last two and a half years that people do overlook is that it is revealed how many people who I would have thought are just probably too cynical for their own good, myself included Carolina, more than maybe we thought we did we want to be fighting for the right things. It actually feels that. It matters more. It feels like it matters more to be on the right side of history might be too lofty way of looking at it. But but look I mean, I I realized that there the sides are pretty well drawn. And I think I know what side I'm on as a reporter as someone who is trying to speak truth in some ways. And I think this town might have. Red is a more cynical book because I don't think people had named that as easily, but I think in a sense, Donald Trump, and I I don't know if I give him credit for this. But I think that he seized on the cynicism for that world that I was able to write about in a way that got him elected because I think that he seized on a lot of the disenchantment for Washington for politics for the the fakeness of the whole thing that he was in some ways seen as an antidote to to get a little bit lighter firmament, and to talk about this town adjusted it more there's one thing I do have been wanting to ask you about that you describe in detail in the book, which is the White House Correspondents Association dinner, which I attended myself the very first time last weekend. And I believe my experiences probably a bit different who saw of glow about you. Right. Hang could be either. So I'd read in this town and have heard the stories about how Joe Lockhart and Kevin cheeky and Lawrence O'Donnell among others turned Bill Clinton's last correspondents dinner into a wrap party for NBC's the way. West wing and Washington was overrun by people from Hollywood at the time. And the only Russians involved were the ones at the trade mission who accepted, Bloomberg terminals as payment for renting their fabulous building for their famous. After party was terrific after. It was one of the first attended when I was new to politics. It was like two thousand whenever one two or maybe earlier. Yeah. Sorry. So so the dinner that I attended there wasn't even a comedian. They're much less Hollywood attendance. They're generally. But I wanna talk about how this seminal spring event has changed. This this big piece of Washington social calendar to kick off the spring how it's changed and what that means for where we're going. Well, I mean, I think it's perversely overdone. I think it should have ended a few years ago personally. I mean, I always thought that Trump skipping. It nut coming to pay homage to the first amendment. I never was that offended by I always thought that it would been a good move for Bush or Obama to just skip it who you're gonna lose. Maybe you hurt like the president of the White House chorus the board of the White House. Correspondent I mean, it's really no one needs his or her presence there whatsoever. I mean, look, it's a reason to celebrate ourselves at a time when most people would think that there's no reason to celebrate ourselves. I think that goes. For media that goes for politicians that goes for the swamp, and it's just it's terrible. Look, and I don't know why it still exists. But it does and I'd met I got home at four o'clock in the morning on. Hated every moment of it. In felt really good. The next morning. The next morning, but like two mornings at you're getting the dinner is not particularly interesting to me, but I have found in the last couple of years it's been more relevant than it had been for a long time. It seemed before Trump to be a self congratulatory moment, and a real blurring of the lines between people who make policy and politics, and the and and, you know, for a long time, I stopped going, well, maybe peon stopping invited. So I so I know so I should so I stopped going times, by the way stop going. Yes. Yes. I yeah. I remember that big protests that was remarkable. But Trump has given some meaning to the dinner, and I thought, you know, Libyan Knox who had the idea of bringing historian. I thought it was one of the things I've ever heard as everybody in the room. Yeah. That's what the conversation did. Well, but then it, you know, what it worked, and and he gave a pretty powerful speech. Most of the speeches that the White House correspondents president give you can't hear because nobody stops. No one stops talking at the table. He actually commanded the room from five minutes, and it was interesting, but we were talking before. And I'm so I'm gonna give a little history of this dinner. Unfortunately, I had to explain to Katie who fawn hall was that was it was the fifth. She was the for Michael Michael Kelly who brought nineteen. Seven. Amount. You eat that's an excuse. But it's a lane. Warm warn. Yeah. Totally Katie mentioned the west wing. I have to take the blame for introducing video to the dinner. But it was for a very important reason, which was Susan page who was the president, then as the longtime USA today reporter had been in touch with iron shorten and wanted to do something that the whole cast was coming and she wanted to do a video and Sorkin had the idea of having me in the video, and I went out, and I shot it. I have my own little dressing room trailer and took eighteen hours to do a formative video. I understood what actors do I didn't actually act very well. But I understood it they stand around and wait most of the time. And I came back and told my staff that the video was going to be funny because Aaron wrote it, and it was very funny, and I was going to get fired. If I was funnier than the president. So that's why we get the video, and I'll tell you the the one backstory, my big idea was this was the first year of the sopranos. And my big idea was, you know, Hillary was off running for Senate and Clinton was home alone thing right now. But the first idea was Clinton was going to deal with his loneliness by, you know, going into a session with Dr Melfi Tony soprano's psychiatrists you could probably gotten her to. We did get her you did. And we got the executive producer of the show to agree to write it and work with us. And I woke up in the middle one nine set have I lost. My god. I'm going to put the prime and the president's press secretary. I'm gonna put him in front of a psychiatrist, you know. So so ended up doing the it was actually Joel Johnson who we Mark. And I know well who sat in the office next to me who. Basically said we're over thinking this, home alone, and everyone of them just that, of course. And then it kinda wrote itself, increasingly gut up the stakes for the next president's particularly Obama, right? Who was a natural performer who did some very good and really great. He had some really good Bush. Surprising weekend because I think the expectations were low Bush, but anyway, enough about the frivolity of the dinner, whether it's good or bad. I think katie's quote from Komi really gets that Trump changing if not the character of the town the character of people around him talk about some of the characters in this. I mean Bill Barr. No more establishment guy in town. Rod Rosenstein, Jim Mattis. I you know, and Madison, maybe the worse. It's ample because he resigned in protest right people who you thought could be counted on to do the right thing that somehow get infected by this virus. There have been a lot of them viruses. Maybe too short list that I could say I mean, I think that certainly let the record show the witnesses nodding. Yes. While say let the record. You know, it's fine. Whatever I would say, you're you're right. I mean, what's interesting is to what end to Bill barb is a long, you know, by Washington energy. He's a former attorney general he presumably doesn't need the prestige John Kelly. I guess is probably not going to be a White House chief of staff under any other administration Brian's Priebus. Same thing. Mick mulvaney. Probably the same thing. I mean, these are sort of different categories of people who are or grabbing onto a job because it's there for them. And it wouldn't be there for them. If Jeb Bush were the president or if Hillary Clinton where the president, right? And then there are people like, I mean, you think Herman Cain and Stephen Moore going to be nominated any fed board part of it is just what's available to people who would not have the opportunity to work in a White House. Kellyanne Conway is not getting hired by any Republican administration or probably has not been on a shortlist to run any campaigns. And yet because of Donald Trump's magic, whatever it is. He did to get himself elected to get where. Where he is. Now, there's a place for these folks with the problem is that that look everything's a mix. There are going to be people who are overqualified to work in certain Whitehouse's believe it or not which is kind of marketable thing to say. But they're in there people who are going to be jumping at the chance they hard to think of people who've come out of this looking good. I've been think Jim Mattis might be a good example in. I guess we'll see what when we get a better look at the redaction. I don't know. I mean, maybe Muller, maybe Komi, I'm in Komi, certainly paid a terrible price Muller has and I would say they they would probably say, anyway, let me push a little bit on bark, Katie. And I've been talking about this. And I think neither one of us has sure, but I think we both have different theory. But I'll give you my theory, which is people in Washington, take themselves overly serious and once euro of aunt, and then are not relevant any longer. You'll often do whatever you can and sell whatever part of your soul you need to sell to be. Come relevant again. And I look at bar, and I believe that he has a strong conviction on executive power, but you can have it strong conviction of -secutive power. And not right. The memo that he wrote that I think helped him get the job. But certainly not do the political maneuvering and press maneuvering that he did both with his letter than with his ninety minutes before the report came out. I'm gonna tell you what's in their heart. But none of you have seen it yet. Which is a about as over in a political act as ever seen in Terni general since John Mitchell, and then finally, we, you know, we find out also be misleading or we we find out last night that you know, depending on your point of view, he misled congress where he just flat out lied to congress about in characterizing mowers point of view. And this will this will all come out what what's your take on what's going on in in his head? I would say that there's one piece of this that you. Didn't mention which I think is is front center, which is tribalism. I think a guy like Bill bar is so steeped in driving Democrats and liberals crazy in ways that Donald Trump specifically in this administration. I think has been very successful at that. He probably loves trolling the people. He is trolling people assume that because people have survived in Washington for so long on either side that they have a higher purpose. They're here for a for a reason. But look Bill bar knows as well. As anyone he plays for a team in that team? You know, I guess has an our next to but mostly has a DJ t- next to it. And you know, you get caught up in what tribe urine and Donald Trump. I'm sure pounding on him to remind him of that every single day. And I think that that's more powerful. The we might give credit to. One of the things that Mark. I've always known you be expert at is a true trailblazer in and covering and exposing hypocrisy. So let's talk about Lindsey Graham from you recently wrote about him. It's now an internet game to every time he talks to find him saying the opposite twenty years ago in the context of Bill Clinton. Retweeting his old tweets of Donald Trump in wake of the the the belvoir the Donald Trump stuff the Bill Clinton stuff as a house manager just as a hypocrisy story in who's recently written about Graham talk about him for a sec Lynn, Lindsey Graham is kind of a great example, not so much of poxy. But he I mean, there's video there's tweets you don't need me or anyone to sort of put this all side by side. I mean, that's all there. What was surprising to me about Lindsey Graham and talking to him and spending the time I spent with him a couple months ago was how nakedly transparent he was just sitting up here in Washington and saying to me, you know, if you don't wanna be reelected, you're in there on business and just thinking that like this kind of calculated not even calculus just saying this is what my game is an expecting that the people who stand by him in South Carolina are not going to either see that or care was just sort of a standing to me. I mean, there there is a phenomenon that you see in this era more so than usual. Oil which is in this case Republicans saying one thing privately about in this case, Donald Trump, and the one thing publicly now politicians about parties will will always have private self in public self. They will say things they will not say things they will be hypocritical. But I've never seen the gap as big as it is now and without telling anyone what Lindsey Graham has told people privately at least me privately, but he knows exactly what he is doing and not gonna give him credit for honesty, but he is playing a game. And he's basically telling me and telling my readers that he is playing this game. And has I giving him credit for dishonesty? But being honest about it, actually. I mean, look I mean, it's easy to I mean, it's a bizarre couple of sentences. We said to each other. That's why this town is screaming for this town to popular demand. I think it would probably the chrome is. I don't know if I could survive it just like sort of psychically because you know, I mean what what is there to? Well. All right. We'll see I wanna talk about another recent piece that you have written talking about the never Trumpers and Bill weld. So last week he wrote about never Trump Republicans in their efforts to get candidates like the former Massachusetts Governor governor weld to challenge Trump in the Republican primary. There's no one recruited him. I don't think but. Well, Gary Johnson getting McCall. It's true. Is there evidence that a a meaningful number of never Trump Republicans exist in Iowa or New Hampshire or anywhere outside of the green rooms of Washington DC and New York it's hard to say that there is? But there could be here's the thing. I think it's very easy to roll your eyes the never Trumper because many of them are media people. Many of them are many of them are non politicians who profit off of politics, but don't have to face voters. I think the conservative critics of Donald Trump the Republican critics of Donald Trump the Bill Kristol's and Rick Wilson's of the world. Sarah, Longwell, David Frum can go down the list. Most them are media. People have been incredibly consistent. I think that they've been really kind of fun to listen to in read from pure perspective of someone who likes argument likes perspective likes to get smarter at a time. When a lot of this back and forth has been not smart at all. Like, I'm not gonna get smart listening to Sarah Sanders. Sorry, Sarah, if you're listening and. I'm not gonna get smart. You know, listening to people who are very predictably going to be throwing things at it Trump because I I know where you know, while the liberal arguments, I know most of the norm based arguments to Donald Trump. So I think that's an important force because partly because they're on TV all the time. They they're pretty widely read at least within a circle of influencers that I think a lot of political activists in places like New Hampshire do read and look it could go somewhere if there's the right vehicle for it. I just don't think Bill weld is likely to be that vehicle. I think you know, if Mitt Romney amounting Mitt Romney would be either. But I think I think the Republican party is not as one dimensional as Donald Trump's dominance of it right now might indicate it is. But but given that given that there there are at least two dimensions. So the Republican party. Why are we talking about Bill weld? Why isn't Jeff flake? Why Ben Sasse why John casick why? Yeah, we. Hear from them. Let me make it a little broader. Yeah. Why are they silent in Green Bay? Wisconsin. Trump got up and talked about Democrats taking swaddled babies going. Yeah. And I don't think a single word was uttered by a Republican leader. Rebuking the president. What's your take on the silence? Stunning. It's been stunning. Maybe stunning indicates totally surprised. I mean, I never have would have thought that so many people could live with themselves as they can with their silence. Now Rick Wilson actually pointed this out to me when I talked to him like this week ago. I think we do underestimate the kind of physical threat that people who speak out against Trump from within the Republican party put themselves under their families get harassed just like that. I mean there and people who don't have like security details. I mean are going to get a lot of very unpleasant shit thrown their way, in many cases, if you're going to be that person who takes up the mantle against. Donald Trump that sort of a fact of practical life, and especially if you have kids it's something that a lot of people in their spouses do have to consider. But I do think that it is amazing. When you think about how short term that thinking is Mark Sanford, you know, did speak out. He was not going to abide Donald Trump, and he got his ass handed to him in a Republican primary in South Carolina. The person he lost to then lost general election, which could be a great little window into the politics of what the game the Republicans are playing right now. And I mean, that's sort of Joe Lockhart theory is as of inst- in the New York Times last week that we're we're cross promoting all over. Yeah. But no, but we'll get to promoting me off. I think the the midterms have shown that there's a price to be paid for this. Silence. I think Joe Biden's early messaging has been nodding to this in ways that the Democrats have not. And I think that might be pretty smart on his partner his people's part. But it does give you a window into what people are willing to live with in their selves. I think weld actually will overperform just because he's a character. Some of our listeners have tell the story, but I don't wanna hear which is they'll Welt was nominated to be the Bassett Mexico by real Clinton, which was a big bipartisan gesture, and I was assigned to be his handler and press secretary at the time now, I was the deputy was you know, it just it was one of my many jobs, and we went to our first interview, and I gave him a list of three talking points. And and I said, whatever governor you don't say this. He led the interview with what I asked him not to do. What was that? I I can't even. Remember, there was something we were very sensitive about Jesse Helms on other issues, and he just like poke Jesse in the eye, and you know, all the Madeleine Albright diplomacy was going out the window. So we went to the second day and same routine to the same thing day said, you know, you know, governor I got a lot to do. You're not my only assignment here, you're not even my most important Simon here. You know? You know, Mexico. Yeah. It's can you follow the talking points, and he sort of paused and side and said, well, can I tell you something? And I said Charlie goes, I don't want to be ambassador to Mexico. I'm serious. He said I'm trying to make a point about how ridiculous the Republican party has gotten. But he basically actually admitted to me like I'm not trying to disrespect you here. I want Jesse Helms to kill my nomination to send a message and in some ways twenty years on he's doing the same thing. So I think he'll outperform maybe only because there's no expectations. Interestingly he told me this story that he ran against John Kerry for the for Senate in nineteen ninety six and they had a very spirited very close rate. Yeah. John Kerry was income, but well was incoming governor and carry one pretty narrowly, but but weld said the other day, you know, you think if I had one that I was going to stay in the Senate. No, I was going to turn right around and run for president as a Republican Senator. Who knocked off John Carey in nineteen ninety seven. So he basically retroactively wasn't really running for Senate when he was running for president. But he's not really running for president now. But that's just that's actually running for president. I mean, you know, I wouldn't be writing about him otherwise so get look to his credit. He gave a pretty compelling talk about one hundred people there the audience seemed into him. I mean granted much of the audience. You know, this is not your classic Hampshire. It was not your classic Republican crowd. But he makes a compelling anti-trump case. There's no question about it. Talks about his experience with Jesse Helms talks about his experience with that Meese because he quit. The Reagan administration in protest talks a lot about corruption. Ethics. He hired. Bob Muller to be US attorney in in Boston. And I think the eighties because he was the deputy to Ed Meese. So anyway, yeah, he's got an interesting history. I still don't think he's going to be you never know. So I'm going to ask you with all of your experiencing context as the hypocrisy historian. And and looking at the evidence is you say we saw on the two thousand eighteen election that there's a price to be paid for the silence. What is your crystal ball say about what's going to happen in twenty twenty? You can't interest MC Trump, obviously, Trump has some kind of hidden vote that I think pollsters and analysts still can't really see the resistance, such as it is certainly energized in a way that they weren't for Hillary. I don't see him growing into the job necessarily over the next year and a half. I don't think that the trend line towards him becoming like normal has really moved in. And then he kind of direction someone wrote about this the other I've been crystallize or something. Hugh Hewitt says oh, he'll be reelected. No question because the economy is just like doing great, and it's gonna continue to Grayton. Then solicit basically said so how his numbers are barely over forty and have been and you know, people are just dying. A reason not to vote for him. And then you sort of get into the the the nitty gritty of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania. Michigan looked pretty dicey for him right now. You know, if they nominate Biden, it's the same ten states or so. But I don't know. I think there would commonsense. Thank that. There would be a price to pay for this. But maybe well, we're gonna finish what some football. But I got asked. What are the question? I and I've held off asking this mission because I wanted like a microphone to be recorded. Okay. I I called you. I called you the the historian Papa Crecy what I think Mark is well known for and deservedly is one of the great profiler of political figures, and he's been doing this for I you know, I read your I read your profile. Larry Allison, two days after I had said to job to work. Larry allison. And I knew that I should probably I probably should have changed my mind right there. You did pretty soon after I did I did pretty soon after you were right on that one. I guess Mike. Question. No each other has told u s. As particularly with this town as the two questions one is how do you deal with being the skunk at the garden party and continuing to go to the garden party? I don't garden. Hi, tammi. Hadad has as the garden party. I'm talking more broadly about you know, being being a social figure in Washington. And Secondly, why do these people sit down and talk to you. You know, the second question people been asking for years. And when people ask me that I will disingenuously say because I treat them very fairly under ground rules. I on or off the record on the record things. I think people like talking to me, I whatever reason. But I think as far as the skunk at the garden party thing is I I don't I don't go out that much these days at actually helps a really like being a fifty something figure in Washington a lot better than I like being a thirty something figure in Washington. I mean, I was married for both periods. And now I have teenage daughters, and I kind of like being home watching whatever sporting event and. Non-cable news event is on TV right now. So I actually the other thing is you just sorta realize mean Washington gets very domestic mystified very very quickly. It's wrong to say, I don't care what people think, but I mean, you sort of look at the playbook, you know, spotted thing who was at this party who is at this going away. Like god. I don't wanna I didn't wanna I wouldn't have wanted. There's like it's very rare that I look at some name on that list. That would have liked to have said Hello to him or her. So look, it just ain't all that. And I don't I don't think people actively dislike me, and look if if I make people uncomfortable in their professional life because of what I do and in a way that serves readers, and you know, in a way that serves story telling her whatever it is that we do. I mean, I'm all for it. All right. Let's talk some football you, and I have in the interest of transparency to our listeners have spent a lot of time together in the last couple of years. It's been great one of the things better things. So you can see you can start by talking about how difficult. My job was. How great I was at really good at your job. Okay. Interesting caveat, because you know, I know I don't I can't I can't my memory's not that good. But Mark very upfront and his book on the NFL wrote. They were a lot of people helped at the NFL, and I'm going to really help their careers by not mentioning here. We'll say that with a few exceptions, which will be you know, we're not gonna talk about. But most of the people who work at the NFL other than maybe the very top of the mast head and a few people. I really enjoyed and still have a fine relationship with the people in your department that you were can I mentioned Brian McCarthy's love Brian McCarthy, Brian if you're listening shoutout to you, Mike cigar, great guy. I mean now the NFL's like, you know, it's like any other organization, but the thing about the NFL is owned by thirty two really really rich guys. And these are what's the membership? The owners these are jobs bosses, basically, these people who own teams were bosses. As as by way, as I planned to prove over the next five minutes. Out the way. But I do think that one of the things that I came to pretty early in this book is that one thing about the NFL people don't appreciate is the power that these thirty two unelected, not terribly admirable human beings with incredible power in thirty two different markets or thirty different markets across the country have over our entertainment lives, you know, as football fans. People who watch this entertainment juggernaut every week. So Joe was helpful in navigating a world of an organization a trade organization that caters to their needs. They you said the NFL like is like any other organization, but you know, close radio your of your books. Not well, we'll come to the conclusion quickly. Yeah. That it's not like anything else. It just briefly what got you interested in this beyond being like a ridiculous fan. Boy of the patriots talk about the journey. The journey is basically a publisher off me a whole bunch of money and said how to do a book about the NFL's a yell figure out? What it's now. That's not how I mean. I do think that that football. Like politics is one of the two great spectacles of American life. It's it's reality TV only Donald Trump could get allowed was allowed into one of these spectacles, but the one he really wanted. He was not allowed into. So he had to go, you know, disturb that on Joe Lockhart carts. Watch football is something that a lot of people care about look at the numbers the NFL does on TV audiences. It's very very rare in this day days that you can get something for this many people to care about and for such pure tribalism too. I mean, well, my view is someone who brought up in Massachusetts is that the NFL railroaded Tom Brady. And if you look at the map of who feels how I feel you will look at six. Perfect states like blue, and you know, maybe the rest of the country with the exception of I think Utah are always Louisiana because they're so pissed off about the the Mets, right? Not allowed. They always side. There are some weird alliance there, but it's a birthright, I guess in some ways, and I would love to be able to like not care that much, but I do. So I think there are a lot of people like that. And there's like one hundred plus million people who watch SuperBowl every year, and you know, a lot of them feel the same way as a native Georgian my birthright is college football. So I usually pick my NFL teams based on the number of university of Georgia play. Grafted to two guys last year sunny Michelle is eight win in the first round. So you know, if you guys are playing with one Georgia player than I would pick. It depends Andrews's starting center. Brendan buck who is a longtime spokesman for Paul Ryan. Brendan a great Georgia bulldog fan, and and has great knowledge of like even like end of the roster Georgia players like like all across the league. So I was very impressed. But we tend to have a lot of pride. That's that's our birthright. But then it's a good team. Yourself short. We're working on it. We're gonna get there. Eventually we had we had seven guys go in the most recent round series around. Yeah. Isaac nada. Might have been me call Hardiman. But anyone the goes replacing tyrod which Joe Lockhart we're still at the league he'd be he'd be working to? Yeah. We'd be taking questions about tyreek hill has stance mar has to ask tense anyway. So that's my birthright, I know, I know less about the two at this at this table, but I do know and tapping into your phantom of the patriots that one of those thirty two owners, if not the most powerful putting aside Jerry Jones, the Dallas Cowboys is steeped in a bit of controversy at the moment. Could you possibly be talk? Right. So what's the NFL going to do about Bob Kraft, and what's going to happen with him for our listeners don't know craze? To to getting a hint. Can you say hand job? Was there something else? Well video the alleged video evidence of there was a sex at least multiple sex me describing sex acts also past tense. That's not happening in my rear view mirror. I don't do that. That's fine. Do you want people to listen to your podcast or not, right? The explicit tax. We haven't figured that out. Context. It's in the state of Florida where anything the becomes a part of a court records subject to the sunshine laws that come out. I would say that as a as a student of humanity in his actually consumer of humidity. This is not a video. I wanna see you in particular. It would be released. Just because I don't know. I mean, you have a paperback edition coming. I don't know if the video, but I do have a paperback edition coming out. And I also think that look I speak here as a soldier for transparency has that. I like that. Now, here's a thing. I Robert Kraft is has I think odd judgment in one of the pieces of judgment at work here is why is he fighting this? Why are we still talking about it? This is not something people really want to think about except in so much as it makes him uncomfortable, which I think a lot I I'll give you a theory of why he's fighting because he will not get into the hall of fame if he pleads guilty. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's at work. I think that there's nothing out Davis in the hall of fame. That's a question. Nothing pleaded pled guilty to any ad, but he's many sued the league, but Jerry delete twice and he's in the hall of fame. So it's that's already in. This is the NFL's very things you really think that that's one of the things. So you actually think that the hall of fame voters would be swayed? I don't diminish the seriousness of the crime. It's not a felony. Let's say that it's not a felony. And I'm not saying that hall of fame voters who didn't get past it. But I think if you're looking at motivation, and what the only thing that that Robert Kraft has yet to achieve in the NFL is ascending into the hall of fame. And I think that drives him as much as winning Super Bowls at this point. Now, that's just my opinion. He's never told me that I think most of the well to do semi famous people who got caught on this have been making it go away. Oh, absolutely. Just like all the people in the college admission scandals may know that one woman is making it go away. Yeah. My educated guess. What my experienced you've experienced this before I've experienced NFL discipline. But if it helps sell the podcast, I'm Tom. Joe lockhart. I mean, the the I think that they'll the NFL will let this play out through the courts way to finish. And then they'll be some sanction of sub sort happy us, not a happy ending. We're really care. Mark. The New York Times personnel office is calling the talk to you. When you get back to the office podcast is going to say the same thing. So I think they will sanction because they do one of the things I lived through at the NFL was a real awakening to trying to police off emailed behavior. Right. And as part of that effort, there is a sincere attempt to apply the same standards to the players to two week personnel. The owners are hard now. You know, you you'll remember Jim Irsay was suspended for six games for being a possession of non prescribe prescription drugs and a Y and all that. So I think they'll be some sort of sanction. There is still a lot of goodwill toward him. He's made a lot of money for a lot of owners says he was the key person on the broadcast heels, and he was the key person in five, but he was the key person in the last CBS negotiation director bargaining that got it over the line, which has made the owners billions of dollars. So I don't think he. He gets expelled from the tribe. Right. Think he might get teased within the tribe. But he hasn't done anything to get spells him. But I think they'll be some public sanctioning. But it makes sense. What do I also? I mean, I talked to another owner not long ago who said that the real crime here is how he could be so stupid as to have gotten caught in a situation like this. Because let's be honest other NFL owners have been in similar positions involving shall we say a transaction of this nature, but they are rich enough at least savvy enough to do it may. There certainly were it is suspected that. There were couple more zeros in those transactions than yes. But the finance event the NFL is very important. So we should be discussing any advice. If I want it to repair my relationship, Dan Snyder. Do you think there could you broker that because I totally broker that that works for me? It seems like a good way to by the Dallas Cup to to to our guest air. This is fun. All right. Well, we can keep this going all day. Once again, he is a true artist with his pen read or listen to his bestselling books read, his award-winning columns. We promise you'll thank us. Thanks for joining. All right, Joe for what's on your mind this week. I want to pick on what we talked about last week and the week before Biden's presidential announcement. Now, he's had a week under his belt. We have a few polls. We have some commentary. If you speeches everything you need. How's the rollout going throw out solid b plus I think he very effectively as we talked about last week has positioned this as him versus Trump, and that's the future of the country, depending on that decision, which very cleverly marginalize is the rest of the field. I still stand on, you know, my theory of the case that the next three months or critical to him. He really does have to solidify. But the polls were really good. I mean, he's in the high thirties across three or four different polls. He's twenty points. Plus ahead of either Elizabeth Warren in one poll Bernie Sanders in another Paul as I've said before his way of apologizing for things that are. Additional if you were offended. I'm sorry when he should just make a virtue out of this. He should say I'm sorry for the way, I handled that hearing I would've done it differently now, and one of the things about leadership is if you've been doing this long enough, you learn and I have learned a lot. And that's why I'm quick to be president as opposed to people have never been tough situation before we want to elect someone who's never made a mistake. Well, maybe we elect someone who's never really done anything. So I think he's done. Well, I think the secondary story here is it looks like Elizabeth Warren is gaining some strength based on strong townhall would CNN and based on the policy proposals. She stands alone as putting out detailed plans. Everybody else's little vegan aspirational she saying. Here's it's actually what I wanna do. Exactly how I'm gonna pay for it. You decide whether you like it or not that's a risky strategy because you can poke holes on that. But it's it seems to be working for her. But I think the bigger story is that Sanders seems to be hemorrhaging support nationally that doesn't necessarily mean Iowa New Hampshire, which are important. There have been diverse developing alternatives to Sanders at are eating in everything. Fum mayor people to being an aspirational person with millennial still was with Warren being more specific on being progressive to by showing some strength. I think at the end of the day for me. It's always been about whether Democrats frame the race as one that was based on policy and progressivism, which helped Sanders and Warren or based on who can be Trump electability. And I think at least one weekend it looks like we're the party is leaning towards electa building. That's very good news for job. I'd yeah. That's interesting. I guess it could be a benefit of having so many of them in the race that they can do all of those things at one time at this point. They can have the Trump. Attacks at the same time that they can have substantive policy, and it's all attributed to the left Biden, he doesn't have a lot of company in the idea of framing this as I'm running because of Trump, right? And some of that is necess- ity. He's seventy six years old. He's got to have some rationale for at this stage of his life. Why he's running the others. Some of them have been very vague aspirational generational and tribal and again, Elizabeth Warren has been Uber's specific. And I think that appeals to some people. So you can have all of this. But if Biden can continue to convince Democrats that electability is the issue that will definitely work to advantage. All right. So beyond politics and circling back to the president he gave a speech in Green Bay last week, and he touched on a few different topics throughout the speech. And I wanted to get your take on what the president said there. I think the Washington Post said he had. Seventy seven misstatements and misleading statements. But there was just one the really struck me that we keep moving the line of what you can and can't do and politics, and he keeps blowing through at any did it again, he talked about how doctors and Democrats were allowing babies to be born put an swallow and then having a conversation whether you kill them or not it is so far outside of what anyone would consider normal political discourse. But what really struck me was the silence I with Republicans. None of them believe this, and he's the leader of their party, not a single one of them, criticized him. But maybe even more shocking is the silence from the Democrats. I would have thought that this would create it outrage. And I think, you know, Democrats, you know, they don't want. They don't want to have a debate necessarily about abortion because they don't want to rile up his base. And there are some things that who cares. What the polls say there's you know, this is right and wrong. And it certainly my hope that some. Somebody on either side of the I will stand up and make the case I spent some time on Twitter, and I found that there were non famous anonymous RN's who were tweeting things about how it really works and getting twenty thousand people retweeting it, and I think it that to me says that hit an with people that this was wrong, and I'm disappointed in both the Republican Democratic leadership for not making more of this because it is wrong. That's it. Thanks for what's on your mind this week, and we'll be back next week. And now katie's final word. As we mentioned on this week's episode, the White House correspondents in was a little bit different this year. One of those reasons is that they traditionally invite a comedian last year, Michelle wolf, headlined the event and decided to switch course this year and invite an historian for a much-needed historical lesson for many in the audience the headliner. This year was noted historian Ron chur now who's written by Agassi's probably most famously for Alexander Hamilton. So this week's final word goes to rancher now from the White House correspondents dinner, let it be noted that because of his anti press record John Adams, not only lost his reelection campaign in eighteen hundred but as jeffersonian opponents reigns supreme for the next quarter century. Campaigns against the press. Don't get your face carved into the rocks mount Rushmore for when you chip away at the press, you chip away at our democracy. The thing that troubles me. Most at the moment is the sustained assault on truth or at least a cavalier disregard of it. Both here in by autocratic regimes of rod as John Adams said facts are stubborn things I wish is cannot all to them facture the foot soldiers of our respective professions. They do the hard marching and should wear. No ideological coloring. Without the facts, we cannot have agreement and are badly divided nation. More importantly without the facts. We cannot have an honest disagreement. You folks should always remember you were heirs to grain crusading tradition that dates back to I'd ABI wells, exposing the horrors of lynching. Jacob Greece the misery of Manhattan slums Lincoln Steffens municipal corruption. I detail the MacIntosh of standard oil Upton Sinclair the scandalous meat packing industry. Rachel Carson the dangers of pesticides Woodward in Bernstein, exposing Watergate and the New York Times in Washington Post publishing the Pentagon papers. This is glorious addition. You folks are part of it, and we can't have politicians trampling on it with unity. Thank you. 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Massachusetts is embarking on an ambitious initiative to allow voters to vote by mail. Well, it seems straightforward. It's left residents with questions. When does a ballot need to be mailed? Can Be dropped off instead and most importantly will it make it to the ballot box in time joining us later to answer our questions and yours about mail in voting is senator back Arou- that a more ahead on Boston public radio. The Boston public radio I am Margery EAGAN, Jeb Rowdy is on vacation W. G. B. H. Executive are settler. Jared Bowen is filling in and watching the RNC convention from beginning to end to like we're all supposed to do now. Hi, jared. Marjorie. Well. I'm okay. I'm okay. We'll find out how our listeners are just a second. We. Did see the Last night at the Republican National Convention and President Trump, it bill the RNC, is the one that would have a more positive tone than the Democrats but a flashlight was an example of his idea of uplift. Darker impulses look like the RNC kicked off the convention by positioning trump is the only man who could make America. Great again, again, the only one who can save America from the ravages of the Democratic Party for the Democratic cities like ours I guess that are filled with angry mobs to the socialist agenda of job who wants to take away your guns giveaway your jobs Muslim with a punishing brand of political correctness as well. We're opening up lines and asking you did this work to last night make a convincing case for another four years did donald trump junior kimberly guilfoil to visibly make a case that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris would keep you and future generations from achieving the American dream. Trump fans last night speak to your values Republicans. Maybe you're not so sure about trump what you think and Democrats and independents. Do you think some undecided voters were won over last night? Do agree with the portrait of America that they portrayed last night as someone who lives in the democratic to I. I don't feel under threat to judge downtown mafs downtown's kind of empty these days tragically. Anyway, our number is eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy, eight, seven, seven, three, oh. One, eighty, nine, seventy you can email us at bp pr it W. G. B. H. Dot Org. You can tweet us at boss public radio the phone again eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine, seventy. So what did you think Jarrett? Well I. Think we have a very clear picture of what the Republican agenda is going to be going forward. There was very little talk about the corona virus. What little talk there was how Abeille the president in their estimation has handled the CO Corona virus by shutting down borders immediately, and getting p. p. e. in ventilators out immediately again, their claims an repeated talk about the economy how he has been the greatest president to to build an economy. This country has ever had and then that he will preserve our neighborhoods and freedom of speech and religion that came down and that was the the big picture that he tried to paint. Is that if you live in an American city that it is just rife with protest, it's being ransacked. It's crime it's villainy. I guess it's almost like Gotham is depicted in Batman and the Democrat rats are in League to support that because it's called protest. Yeah. Well, a little bit. Later, we'll hear from a market patio mccloskey who are saying you better watch out white people in the suburbs because the black people are coming and it's going to be on wheels I mean it was really just not even a veiled kind of racist attack but you know, let's try to start an up note here I mean the keynote speaker last night. Was a senator. Who behaved like Republicans usually do in previous conventions kind of up. Uplifting. Moment this is Excuse me. This is a senator, Tim Scott and he's from South Carolina he's only a black senator. But he sounded. Rather, optimistic. Let's hear from him. We live in a world that only wants you to believe in the bad news racially economically and culturally polarizing news. Truth is our nations are always bins back towards fairness we are not fully where we want to be but I. Thank. God Almighty. Where we used to be. We always striving to be better. There was a lot of talk about Nikki Haley as well. I think the two of them are clearly contenders for twenty twenty, four for my money. Tim. Scott. Was the more impressive contender for twenty twenty, four, the Nikki Haley who was so afraid to upset the president. She. She talked about getting rid of the confederate flag. After that terrible shooting. In. In her State and how? That was a wonderful moment because obviously the confederate flag symbol of racism but she couldn't say the words confederate flag I think she just called defy divisive symbol. That was what she called it. A lot of her speech was talking about the fact that there isn't racism in America in her estimation. But at the same time I mean literally sentence by sentence she switches. In pointing out that as the daughter of to Indians that she faced discrimination or her family face discrimination in coming up in this country you know you. It's It was an argument that I think June trying to strike chords and also I think with the Senator Tim Scott did where he really tapped into is this argument that Joe Biden and the Democrats have taken people of Color for granted in this country just assuming that because they are the democratic. Party. They are the Democratic candidates that they'll automatically get those votes and that was a big big argument. Last night that the Republicans are trying to put themselves forward as a party for people of Color. So that was those are the high point of the Green Nikki Haley and Tim Scott. The low point for me I, don't know about you jared was kimberly guilfoil she is the. Former wife of the governor of California she's now the girlfriend of Donald Trump Junior She really laid into California maybe she's still mad at the governor there I don't know she really attacked it as a place with human sex drug traffickers and. Socialist and landed discarded heroin needles in parks and on and on and on Let's hear a little bit of her presentation, which is getting a lot of traction. This morning president trump believes in you. He Got Manso pay ten lifts you up to live your American dream. You are capable. You are qualified. You are powerful and you have the ability to choose your life and determine your destiny. Don't let the Democrats take you for granted. Don't let them step on you don't let them destroy your family's your lives and your future don't let them kill future generations because they told you and brainwash you and fed you lies that you weren't good enough. There, I ever Perron Rolling over in her for the lifting of the Arms Patti lupone play David Perron, is rushing over with Tony to say I had this one. That was there was pretty extreme and people pointed out that came from the hall in Washington DC that was empty except yeah. A few people and Kimberly Guilfoil, I'm going to steal line. I read somewhere this morning that she was described as being on the verge of spontaneous combustion, but I must say, but gets the cost just a second. You know I used to get upset last time around people criticize Hillary Clinton for yelling because Hillary Clinton, a lot Kimberly Gilmore was also yelling nonstop. I don't I don't think it worked well for Clinton. I certainly don't think it work well for Gilroy. Is. Not. Fair, but I think men can get away with yelling and women can't and Oh my God. That was really tough last night. Anyway let's go to the 'cause John Gardner Hello. John. What did you think? Good Morning Kids how we all right I think first of all, it was very cruel. I. Think it was very cruel that nobody told Kimberly oil that there was no audience i. mean. It's hard to see beyond those stage Lights Donald Junior. Donald Junior the smart son thought he was going to punch himself in that face by accident with all the hand gesturing and movement. He add going on jeepers creepers. You already mentioned a couple of, from Saint Louis Yeah I. Mean I guess they should get points for being direct how I mean you already set it modules but. I mean holy cow I mean how much? I like I said I guess we should give him points for being direct cause. They didn't dance around it. It was basically you know keep those black inside about our neighbors and we'll all gonna burst into flames. You know John Hold on for a second I was going to hold this to later. But as long as we mentioned the mccloskey's twice, why don't we just play a little bit of their sound this was marketing Apache mccloskey and you might remember the picture of them. There were black lives protesters marching. Outside our house it, the pictures didn't show a big crowd of people and it didn't show anyone particularly menacing them. They were just walking by the House and some of them looked at them and talk to them because they had guns pointed at the protesters. So anyway, here's what they said. Last night you've seen us on your TV screens and twitter feeds. You know that we're not the kind of people who backed down thankfully neither is Donald Trump. President trump will defend the god given right of every American to protect their homes and their family. And and Miss mccloskey talked about. People watching from their quiet neighborhoods as a affordable of as people come into their neighborhoods and turn them into hellish war zones. So John From Gardner I. Guess. You were not impressed. Is that the overall? Not, particularly, I will tim. Scott was I I thought I thought that trump might make a change. He's still could. I suppose in get rid of pence I thought Tim might be the outside I was GonNa say Dr Hoists, but it might not be the best choice of words I thought he might be somebody that he was gonNA zipping there is a VP candidate but I guess I was wrong about that unless he does it at the last minute but yeah, I mean I I'm sure the trump people loved it and those of us that are not trump people did not Thank you thank you very much. Thank you very much for the call. It's interesting. You hear a lot of people online this the stories I've read. That think that. Don. Trump Junior. Raised his anti usually last night that he's Got, Star quality that gave a good speech. It didn't say anything about his father as a father and kind of build that empathy personality of Donald Trump in the intimate family portrait that you kind of expect from a son for his father but you know. Lots of people find did a a great job and we'll see if he's Up there and twenty twenty four is a possibility to what do you think he's got a lot of time talking about the protest last night really painting that portrait that we were talking about earlier about how the cities in this country right now are just rife with this violence. And protests if protests shouldn't happen and I it occurred to me that maybe he should visit Boston and take a walk on the freedom trail to see exactly where protests was fundamental to the creation and formation of this country a good thing. We're not pouring a hot oil and tar on people anymore as the early colonists did But that was the fabric that was the fiber in the founding of this country but it's being it's being changed as in described as violence and not a voice. You know as long as you're popping onto Kimmel Kilfoyle, she called herself a first generation American and I can only guess that she's confused. Her mother is from Puerto Rico which which you know. People in Puerto Rico citizens since I believe nineteen seventeen, it's territory her. So she can't be a first generation on that and the first generation somebody who came from another country was born in another country and came here her father's from Ireland. But I don't know if she was trying to pull that off and wasn't aware that Puerto Rico territory or is confused about She's second generation on her father's side, but she's nowhere near first generation. So anyway, Brenton in the car, what do you think? Brendan Marjorie jared I hope you're able to get some sleep last night. For watching that, that is the challenge. The challenge. I was on yet funding if combustion. I. You know that the Republican Party has mastered. Sort of campaigning by fear. Remember George W Bush in two thousand and Fulmer and you know all the way back to h w Bush and the terrible ads against Yukon. Reagan I mean they've been doing this a long time but this is next level. I mean I, it's own little fantasy land. Hype of America, they expect their voters to believe in and I I just don't understand how any person in this country can carry that type of hate. sort of vengeful attitude towards their neighbors when I imagine there every day experiences their neighbors are good people just like my Davis Star. So I just you know it was amazing to to taken and I don't know if I can watch it again tonight for my own sanity. But I'll tell sorta just you know closing closing thought. There was not much about other people in this. This was all about Donald Trump you know they're not going to have a policy platform. Because y paddle policy by former, if you can have a cult instead and I think the convention, the aren't convention just sort of you know stalls that out. This is all about trump supporter hoboken party fan for, and that's about it. Yeah you know that's a great point. Brendan that some of the commentators making last night that the Republican Party has become the Party of trump. This was all about the president. You know we were. It was all about the things you hear about on Fox News canceled culture, a bunch of socialist communist, radical agenda, all these angry vengeful mobs. You know. Every place under siege. I just yeah. Are there are protests now after that terrible shooting in Wisconsin have been protests in Portland are is there been looting vandalism. Yes. But I think it's amazing that for the most part protests have been peaceful and it's not clear to me that the people that are doing the lind, the looting and vandalism are necessarily part of that protests but there are people that are taking advantage of that. To make the protesters look bad. And with nothing it needs defending because again, this isn't fundamentally about violence or ravaging cities, but the the only prolonged protests I think we've seen in this country have been in Portland and this is the the the. Painting our cities as we know he at least here in Boston is certainly not the case Marjorie as you mentioned. So many people have vacated cities if they're able to to spend the coronavirus time elsewhere with family or so they're going to be downtown in the city. It's just it's not how. was described and the everything to you wonder if if this did seem to be a reach to the trump space that we've talked about so many times, he's got to enlarge that base somewhat to win. So you're wondering if the theory is if you can scare enough white people in the suburbs into thinking that Armageddon's around the corner that maybe those voters. Will come back. I don't know. We also remember that the Republican National Convention has taken is taking this time to respond to the DNC we from what we've read that a lot of the programming was fairly last minute so that they could take their time respond to see what the DNC had done in fact. I. Think they're even elements they may have borrowed or at least echo including the president meeting with individuals just like we saw Joe Biden meeting with individuals to have these one on one. Or one on five conversations But I think that they came away from the DNC, realizing that it was a week long attack on the president himself, and so they have to answer that by building up the president for this coming week, and by the way you should look politic factor some other good fact checking source because there are a lot. There was a lot of lying going on last night and misrepresenting the facts choice for new Bedford, thank you for calling. Hi Hi you're saying that You were saying that you aren't scared, but you're not living in Portland you're not down the street from. Joyce. Is still there. I guess we lost Joyce May. We can try to get her back, but she apparently is gone now eight, seven, seven, three, hundred, eighty, nine, seventy, where we go next you guys. Joyce's gone. So let's go to. Looks like having a little bit of technical difficulty so we'll go oh, hold on just a minute. Well, that will give us an opportunity to play some sound because. Let's hear from Don Jr. the President Son. who was featured last night obviously here is. This is a good promised to take that money back out of your pocket and keep it in the swamp. That makes sense though considering Joe Biden is basically the Loch ness monster of the swamp for the past half century he's been lurking around in there. He sticks his head up every now and then to run for. President. Then he disappears and doesn't do much in between. Okay that was don Jr. who from some quarters is getting a lot of Kudos this morning as a forceful speaker with star power. Who could be up there in consideration for twenty twenty you guys are things working again or things not working again phone. Wise. If not, I'll keep talking it looks like they are. So let's enjoys from New Bedford if you can call back, we will try to take your call. We apologize for losing you there Let's go next to. Tom From Cambridge Hi Tom. Hey Kid is I'm GonNa make this quick so I can go off and combust spontaneously. I WANNA I WANNA. Focus on two words, two words I to civilize ation. How can we expect barbarians trump and his family to pretend protect civilization. When they're uncivilized we have a president WHO's only semi literate you know and then then the other word is apocalypse, we can't possibly trust the administration and party that gave us the pandemic disaster, economic depression, racial justice crisis, and a crisis in democracy. So they should choose their words more carefully otherwise they'll be battered with them and returns. Thanks. Thank you very much for the call. It is true that last night it was it was revisionism of trump's record in terms of the corona virus. You know he he it was as if he came in and rescued American fact we're in the worship of any place in the entire world. Happily things are getting a little bit better in terms of new cases, but we're still kind of in a big mess is revisionist history about that it was outright. Misrepresentation about Joe Biden's record Joe Biden for example is not. Wanted to fund the Police Department some people do he doesn't he's not going to outlaw fracking. He just doesn't want any new fracking leases. There was a lot of misinformation about about that trump himself said that the Democrats getting rid of postal workers. That's ridiculous. The House just passed as twenty five, billion dollar bill to fund the Postal Service. Hasn't gotten. To the Senate yet, but it's trump and his new appointee to Joe. Louis. Joy Who's WHO's WHO's taking down the postal services not the Democrats. So you have to be very careful because and needless to say. He may claim he's done well and corona virus but. Polls show the vast majority, of Americans. Don't think so we'll governor Cuomo does. Did you see that video. That's right where they where they. kind of agasi video of of all the things the president has done but budding up bites of the president's most vocal critics like governor, Cuomo of New York saying how grateful they are for for the federal help in painting this picture like we have all been in this together when of course, the president had so often left it to the states to manage this crisis. But of course, at the time governor Cuomo said that he was desperate to get help from the federal government and realized that he had to flatter the president is everybody else does to try to get. Some help from him and it was in that Mo-. That cuomo said those things I think if you watched Andrew Cuomo every Dan those press conferences to say he was a fan of the president and to say he was happy with the level of federal help New York State. Gut. Is a misrepresentation of the facts not I would argue so yes. All right we are talking about the RNC in taking your calls asking you if one day into the convention is the president making a convincing case for another four years. The conversation continues on eighty nine, seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public radio. We're talking about last night's RNC can taking your calls and emails what you think about what went on last night. Eight seven, seven, three, one. Eight seven seven three, zero, one, eighty, nine seventy is the phone number be PR WG. Dot Org is email you i. Wanna read this email from Kevin because he's a trump guys emailing us for longtime. From New Hampshire here's what Kevin has a say I'm not sure who could vote for Joe. What does he done in forty years? He's been in Congress Carmela has a tracker does not jive with my values every city experienced rise unrest and Democrat run cities. Democrats did not bring the best candidate vp to the table. Have you looked at California lady lately is not about a husband and wife I. Don't know what that means. I guess it's a reference to gay marriage or they allow homeless people to go to the bathroom in the city. I watch check it out my business his improved since trump was elected the company I worked for has expanded. We brought back manufacturing from China on the president trump. And then he's complaining that we're leaning too much against trump. Goes on a little bit more but I did want to get to the job thing because that is a big thing that president keeps insisting. That, he had the best economy ever and and. That you know that millions of manufacturing jobs shipped overseas and they came back under trump's. The bulk of the expansion was under Barack Obama obviously things are not very with the economy right now but when you look at the fact check. On the job situation data from the Bureau of. Labor. Statistics says. The United States is shed two hundred and fifty seven thousand manufacturing jobs while trump has been an office he's been in office what for almost four years. Okay but the two hundred, fifty seven is more than the two hundred, five manufacturing jobs lost over the entire eight years of the Obama Administration and this economist points out that manufacturing job growth is much linked to cycles in the economy than the political party of the president, and he also talks about the the number of manufacturing jobs United States trump is contracted during the great recession two. Thousand Eight, two, thousand, nine before beginning this gradual economy. But manufacturing employment began to level off in two thousand nineteen because of a global economic showdown of the trade war. So the idea that that all these jobs have come back due respect Kevin is just I mean the bureau of Labor Statistics I suppose you'd call them members of deep state if you want, but they've been keeping numbers. Quite accurately for quite some time. So I think that's among the lies that the president wants you to believe. He's right about the unemployment rate being the lowest in in in fifty years absolutely and that's particularly true for blacks and Hispanics. It's not overall though for. Every. Demographic Group is he said it's not true for men generally or women generally well, also I mean if you and people say you shouldn't necessarily do this. But if you define the economy to some degree by the stock market, yes the stock market has come back so. People who have what a lot of people in the trump administration a lot of people what we saw on stage last night have than this economy is working well for you because the stock market has rebounded but in this so have people's 401K's and four zero, three BS They have largely come back from the precipitous drop in March So the administration is touting that as well it correct. But as we know only half of Americans have money in the stock market including 401K. So for those fifty percent. Yeah that's great. If you're not in that fifty percent then obviously you're crisis people facing eviction foreclosures et Cetera et Cetera J. in the car. Thank you for calling. Hey guys how're you doing? Fine. Thanks I would like to say my brother is living in Portland Oregon right now and told me that every night he his his condos totally on fire burning up you know. So Burns nine, the only way that he survived is by getting near a federal building painting himself bronze so that they'll protect them. A OBVIOUSLY Found is going to be really star Cast ick oh. Okay. Okay, going to say it's burning every night. How can you stay there? You Go. To bed gets up, he goes to work as far as he knows there's like you know there's not much going on really you know it happened at night and everything that I see on twitter and you know feeds that are out there from me following all the people that I don't like. Are All usually some violence are seen the police shooting grenades and gas bombs and stuff like it's not. In a mattress on fire you know. So it's not as crazy as everyone keeps making it out to be so I. Don't think it's ridiculous. No. Thank you very much for that. I. Think that that's basically what's there has absolutely been violence. There's absolutely been looting and Portland was having these protests night after night. But the idea that the Democrats. Again just telling the cops do anything well, they did go in and shut down that. Member that. Protest, zone that was going on for days and days and days. The police eventually. Shutdown so anyway thank you for that call. Let's go to Heidi in Francis Town Heidi. Hi I'm so glad to see the two of you as hosts. I always enjoy it link you viewer hosts but. We'll tell that Jim Heidi will relate that right away Jim Bratty told tell that time. That I've already said that. I am a strong Democrat and. I'm surviving this week But I think that what I? Learned from the convention this week is that the Democrats absolutely must set the record straight on the depressed economy they can't let. The President get away with saying everything is wonderful because We all know how many people have lost their jobs. The farmers are in terrible trouble and All that has to be set straight and also the Democrats have to be very clear about what Democrats do when the economy is in terrible shape as it was in the twenty s as it was, it tanked little under Reagan at tank again, under George W Bush, and what did the Democrats do to revive the economy and they have to make very clear and specifically what Democrats to the kinds of programs set, they set up that employ people. So That is my reaction. Okay thinking. Heidi Heidi. Thank you very much. I appreciate the call job. What do you think? Should we should we end this segment with one replay of Chemical Kimberly? Spontaneously combusting. Night. What it says about be that I cannot resist this I just I went deep down the Kimberley kilfoyle. Rabbit Hole. Reading everything I. Mean I'm just I don't. Yeah. Is She mad at her ex husband? Is that she attacked California rather viciously? Don't know. Yeah. Yeah, he is. Donald trump junior, she's dating. Resource for everything. Okay. Well, let's let's. Let's wrap this up with one more sound of Kimberly. Guilfoil from last night's RNC. President trump believes new. He emancipated lifts you up to live your American dream. You are capable. You are qualified you are powerful and you have the ability to choose your life and determine your destiny. Don't let the Democrats take you for granted. Don't let them step on. You don't let them destroy your family's your lives and your future don't let them kill future generations because they told you and brainwash you and fed. You lies that you weren't good enough. Aren't you glad you have the arts editor here because I can make the V. Comparison I mean you don't WanNa make Patti Lupone I can tell you that. Okay. Comparison is a great one other people talk to my maybe she had too much red bull and the other one about the spontaneous combustion I. Guess we've repeated that about a million times but it was you know part of me feels guilty about this because as I said before women who speak loudly get criticized much more than men who speak loudly plenty plenty of men shout. But there was just something unnerving about that last night especially when she had no audience right new audience and lifting the hands it was There were there was more than just the voice here I. I would think all right coming up with we'll get we'll get Chinese take on his two. When it comes through dismissing protests about police brutality, racial injustice, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell all gets down on bended need as Colin Kaepernick for forgiveness sports thirty because joins us for that and more in eighty. Nine. Seven W. H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston Public, Radio John Bowen's in for Jim Brady joining us on the line to go over the latest headlines at the intersection of sports and society is trying Eric. She's an anchor and reporter for NBC Sports Boston and A. Contributor? Hello. Treny. alomar drainage of Nice, vacation. Last week I had a lovely vacation I had loved the vacation and. I'm certainly glad back in time to watch the Republican convention every night. Put me in a very good mood you we. Just, stay very uplifting but let's start with something uplifting in Sports Jinchon to get a great piece talking about the welcome distraction of. Being able to see the Celtics and Bruins. Tell us about which she said Yeah I mean and it's more right than just having sports back because folks have been back for a for a little bit now. But Shaughnessy point is that you know in this city of champions in which I think most sports fans here become very accustomed accustomed to winning. Their team's winning and winning titles always being in contention. Now, we have to winter sports teams in the Bruins and the Celtics. Playing meaningful games in August because of Kobe and both are right in the thick of another championship run. The Celtics swept the Philadelphia Seventy sixers in the first round of their postseason. Him Advanced to take on the Toronto Raptors that series begins on Thursday and then you've got the Bruins. You've got a gentleman sweep of the Carolina Hurricanes. They have moved on to the second round against Tampa Bay, lightning and both you know. While live bit. Of outside shots because you know the bruins are without grasp and the Celtics are without Gordon Hayward, and maybe they're not quite there yet. But both amounts chance of making the true run at this shortened season title and it's really captivating. I, think people are into it. You know I can only go on the ratings that we get sent but sense the postseason started ratings have been pretty good streaming numbers have been good for the Celtics people are watching they're. Interested and I just think it's nice to have some semblance of normalcy. Even if we're normally watching these postseason runs in late April, may into early June and we're watching them now instead in August September and October it just makes you feel a little bit like, okay. Not Everything is doom and gloom and I don't have to watch the Aren t every night if I don't want to the DNC depending on which lean though I was very into the. DNC. Last week. You can flip on. Hockey or basketball and watch really fun meaningful game. But here's the clever damage. We're going to be an entire region without sleep as I. Mean if you're watching the RNC, you're not getting sleep because you were going to bed late and then if all plays out as everybody here hopes, it will the Bruins and the Celtics will have. US watching up late every single night. Super late right. So I think tonight, the bruins off, it's our Austin the puck drops at seven o'clock, and so unless there's you know a lot of extra periods. And they have to go into overtime play I mean, you know two and a half hours, two hours and fifteen minutes or Dong the hockey game the Celtics I believe play at six thirty PM. Pre game begins at five thirty on NBC sports on Thursday. You know six, thirty, nine Clark. I suppose one, and then stay up and watch and just get your blood pressure going and watch the RNC you could. But if you're like. You'll watch the Celtics play there were then you'll go to sleep. But the point is you could do this every night because we'll have the. Florida. We'll have something every single night. There is Shaughnessy laid it out like every single night starting tonight you can either watch the Bruins or the Celtics I. think There's one day and have to go back and look at this column of there's one day where they overlap like Sunday I watched the Celtics in the afternoon and watch the Bruins at night but it's great and pretty soon, guys if these players if these teams go deep into the respective postseasons, we could also have the Patriots every Sunday. Day or Thursday. To Watch because as it's going right now in the NFL things are going well, you know training camps are progressing they're really haven't been any positive chestnut they haven't Traveled yet, but we could be like full sports mode again, you know by early September. We'll before we get to the NFL wanted to talk about Bob Haller, who's a great reporter for the Boston Did this great survey of colleges, one hundred colleges and universities around New England and found that only five of those one hundred twelve employ a black athletic director just one of the just Regions Fifteen Division One athlete department says a black leader and that's Marcus Blossoming Holy Cross and he focused the story or started story. On the story of a Guy Charlie Titus who had been. Chosen. As UMASS I. Athletic Director Back in one thousand, nine, hundred eighty and just retired he said all those years. One, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two. Now that's what is that I'm bad at math. That's forty years four years. Titus could count on one hand the number of black men and women running intercollegiate athletic departments anywhere in New England. So what do you make of this? It was really shocking to me to read even beyond the athletic directors. If you go down a couple of paragraphs in that article, he talks about of the twenty, three, Division One and division two football teams in New England none is led by a black head coach not. All their fifty eight collegiate programs in the New England area and only two are led by black head coaches and that's division three Bates College in Maine and the US Coast Guard. Academy in Connecticut and to me what struck me Marjorie the you know the story or the anecdote however. We, WanNa talk about it when B. C. lost Martin Jarman to use to be their new athletic director and Martin is is a Black Man They interviewed three people for that position. Two of one of whom was Black Alan Green and the guy who ended up getting it is Ryan Fan for. He was a senior associate Ad Georgia tech but when you go deeper into the story. Bamford. Had the reason they. Bamford is that his Dad Steve was Athletic Director Plymouth State for thirteen years. He had deep roots in New England collegiate sports he was at the athletic administrations in the state in the ECAC and it was like. Building this solid resume on the name. Internet. Just say that Ryan is all about I don't want to take anything away from what he's accomplished or what he's done. But part of that success in part of him climbing that ladder was the name of his father and their reputation of his father and so when they brought him in you know at at you at Umass amherst. They had an opportunity to hire. Someone else who is a minority who is just as qualified they went with a guy with pedigree right and that to me is the most glaring example of how this. Of. Institutionalized racism persists right if you don't have. Minority individuals, black individuals in positions of power than they cannot create a legacy they cannot. A system in which. They bring in people, other people of color to lead programs. They can't bring in other people who look like them, and who had a similar upbringing is that in order to fill those physicians and if you go deeper into the story talks about that same sort of antidote, he talks about how you mass hiring Bamford, and he had this. Opportunity he hired twelve head coaches only one of whom is black the track and field cross country coach, and he's the only black coach. You Must Anchor Sixteen head coach start earlier this was. This. Amherst. So you look at that and you see that we you know it's a little bit of human nature right to go with what you're familiar with to hire with whom you're familiar with. and. If you don't have those ties to other communities than it's really hard with those people in positions of power and I just look at that as a prime example in the prime reason of privilege in name getting you somewhere that you need to go and that's why it is so important to put diverse people in these positions so that it's it's like a tree right? You put a roof down and everything else rose from that will turn on and you can't grow from it. If if you don't plan to see something I, think is really significant here I mean first of all in his in this really great piece. Holder writes about Charlie Titus again, the U. Mass Boston I athletic director saying that he's watched universities of profit from the performance of a black student athletes passed over. If I black candidates, we've been talking with Shirley young a lot about this as she looks at the legal community as she looks at the business community in quite frequently, you see the explanation. Well, we couldn't find qualified black candidates. IRV qualified candidates of color. In some cases. There is an element of truth to that. This is why we're so focused on systemic racism. Now, how do you create more opportunity but that argument cannot be made in the sports especially when we saw the Washington, justed the Washington team with its new president. I, mean this is an industry is rife with people of color who who absorb what the industry is. Right, I mean you look just at the we can look at the NFL right? How many black men go from being players we'll use the patriots as as an example, two guys I'm really familiar with that NBC, sports, Boston and Gerard Mayo and Troy. Brown. You know both of these guys played under Bill Check Their now coaching under bill ballot check the question is, will they get an opportunity to lead a team now? Brian Florez did he went down to the Miami Dolphins from from Bill Bilbao checks tree but when you look at the NFL, there are so few black head coaches and then you also look at I'm blanking on his name I. Think it's Eric and it was I think Eric and I'm blanking out his last name is the offensive coordinator. For the Kansas City chiefs, here's a guy who has helped engineer Patrick Mahomes and one of the best offenses we've seen in a while and yet here's a guy who has interviewed Countless Times for head coaching jobs and they excuse the US with him as well. He doesn call the plays Andy Reid, the head coach of the place but guys like Doug Peterson who also coached Andy Reid and didn't call plays is a former white quarterback got those jobs that Eric is getting and I'm sorry that I'm blanking on his last name. I. Just don't want mess it up, but I could picture in my head but again, it's like there are these. Qualifications and we see this, you know whether you're woman whether you're a black man, a person of color indigenous. We see this all the time that there are qualifications you have to hit in order for someone to take you seriously if you fall into that category that just frankly are not there if you fall into the category of being a white male and I don't fault anyone for taking advantage of those opportunities I certainly don't think that they're less qualified or that a white man doesn't deserve the job that he gets, but we do need to look at why we hold people to different standards and why we can't seem to lift up different voices like what is holding us back from. Allowing people who don't look like what we've typically thought of when we think of a boardroom or a court room or a sideline of football basketball game what needs to happen at that becomes a more diverse place and it doesn't Plateau right? It doesn't stop it in an assistant coach or coordinator it. The ranks to General Manager Athletic Director Team. Because you know I said this on this show before you know I think we've all heard this phrase us if you can't see it, it's hard to be. You see the thing as possible in order to know that it is attainable. We talked to turn the Kusanagi from NBC Sports Twenty What is going on with the NFL? They had all these positive. Likely. Jazz of false positives over the weekend. Everybody was in a panic and now it turns out that they weren't positive. Yes. Seventy seven players in the NFL test what they thought was tested positive for corona. Virus. Doing daily testing on every day, these guys get tested and a number of the teams have been using a lab in New Jersey and I think the teas that were hit. The hardest were the bears, the Vikings, and there might have been one other on that had like ten or nine players have to sit out practice. So all these teams, stroke, the right precautions, some canceled practice, some move forward the buffalo bills I think move forward. But kept the guys who tested positive at home. And so ends ended up they ended up finding out that there was a contaminant in the samples at that they just didn't handle them properly at this lab New Jersey that the NFL has been using all of those seventy seven tests for false positives. So, you can look at it as we we played this game last night at the end of our show is a good news or bad news that there were seventy seven false positives and I actually look at it as good news because one, it means those guys aren't having been exposed and the end they don't have covid nineteen. So they're healthy. That's the most important thing but too much better for this to happen in the second week of training camp. Then let's say this Saturday before kickoff on September twelfth. The NFL kicks off in September tenth that Marquee Thursday night game within the the bulk of the schedule begins on Sunday September thirteenth. Could you imagine if this happens like I think now that lab in New Jersey Nfl they are going to be much more diligent and making sure I really holding that lab you know their feet to the fire to make sure that an egregious mistake doesn't happen like this again because it could if this had happened in season I, mean you're taking guys off practice squad and your you who knows what if it's your starting quarterback Cam? Newton what if it's Tom Brady and they're not actually positive and then you can't start a game because that lab up. So it is it could be a big problem but I you know I think it's better to happen I think the timing of it was like, okay. Hopefully, we figured it out. We figured out how that this doesn't happen again but I think the larger story is that players aren't testing positive and I think they've only had six coaches slash personnel test positive in the NFL. So whatever precautions the NFL is taking and the way that the players and the coaches. And the team personnel and team officials are handling themselves. They are doing it right because so far, and it's you know again, it's only been about four weeks since teams have really been back at the facility before weeks is a fair amount of time to have very they have had unwell under one percent positives even as guys were coming in Cabot into camping I just think that speaks volumes for when you take the right precautions, you can't move forward to things. We're talking to trend crews and Eric Trendy a huge about face from Roger Goodell about Colin Kaepernick. We know how the NFL responded I started taking a knee in protest and that the huge backlash what it did to capture next career goodell was not standing by him, but he has completely changed too. Soon we have a little bit of sound from this. We'll ask him on the other side houses come about and what he's saying now but here in this conversation Roger Goodell expresses regret that the NFL hadn't listened to Kapernick earlier. Well, the first thing I'd say, I, wish we had listened earlier. Cap To. You were kneeling about and what you were trying to bring attention to. we invited him in several times to have the conversation have the dialogue I wish we had the benefit of that we never did. And you know we would have benefited from that. Yeah absolutely. Obviously very belated. But what do we see happening here training? Okay. So here's wiping jared. I I don't know that he's done a total one eighty like that was like I'm really sorry for hurting your feelings by you're acting like a jerk hurt your feelings back because what he's basically saying there is well I. Really would have loved to have listened to Colin Kaepernick and hey, we invited him in talk we said he could come anytime. But fortunately, we didn't have that opportunity, which is basically saying we told Kaffir Nick to come in and talk to us, but he chose not to so what exactly where we supposed to do like? If. I look at this as did you. If, you're calling Kaepernick and the way you reacted to his action. I don't know that I would trust that the NFL's intentions were pure good that they were going to listen to me like I would prefer Roger Goodell to just say you know what we screwed up from the jump. We did not make it clear that we really wanted to. Maybe at that time, we were not ready to listen and we did not create an environment which. are players felt comfortable talking to us about the issues and we are going to change that that to me is an evolves thinking this to me is like an empty another like empty it's like I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings I'm sorry if I offended you like that to me is what this is about like the headline is a little misleading because he follows up. Well we asked him, but you know you didn't come in the One am I supposed to do I wish I could have had the opportunity, but he wanNA talk to us. It's like putting the blame back on Colin Kaepernick or maybe I'm just cynical but that's how I attributed it. Maybe just hey roger, goodell. Well. I guess you're allowed people who aren't that find them. Aren't they but he's got. He's got a great. Yeah I wouldn't seven. He's like loved around the box. I. I don't know how maybe it's like the the twenty years of therapy that I've gone through but I look at that I heard that and I thought again, this is like you know when you heard like they always say you apologize just apologize for your actions don't turn it around and make an excuse for why well I really didn't mean to do that. But that's the to me that that reeks of a I'm really sorry. Comma. Elman to say Roger Goodell has done a full five degrees. Right. I. Like Twelve oaks three. Stored is starting to get it, but he's still he's still so worried about like I think I think this is list getting off topic but I think like an issue or larger society is also afraid to admit that maybe we acted like racist jerks even if we're not racist as the cornmeal think of ourselves that way like it's not that hard to look at yourself and say, wow, I really acted like a jerk and I'm going to not do that. Again we'll. We'll have to. Later trendy trying to trying to every week by she's an anchor and reporter for NBC Sports Boston and a be PR contributor coming up signed with pink sealed, not with Scotch tape and hopefully delivered. Now that early voting is underway mail in voting in Massachusetts is the law of the land state. Senator Rebecca row joins us for the ultimate mail in voting explainer I'm excited she's next eighty, nine, seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. Boston Public Radio in twenty twenty, you won't have to hit the polls to cast about under an ambitious new initiative voters in Massachusetts should have received applications for mail and balanced but all the concept appear straightforward is left many wondering if and how the process even works some still have not received their applications. Several candidates have filed a lawsuit demanding that the period to account balance be extended, joining us to answer your calls and. Your emails by everything you WanNa know about mail in voting will be state Senator Becca Rash I'm Jared Bowen filling in for Jim Brady so much for avoiding gloom last night's Republican. National. Convention, kicked off with a message from former Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoil that the Democrats will destroy the United States of Joe Biden is elected president running as an outsider in two thousand, sixteen trump in this twenty twenty convention is making one thing. It's his party. Now later will have the full analysis of, RNC night one when we're joined by C. N. N.'s John King data ahead on Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public radio. I am Margery EAGAN gender has the week off joining me as this week is W. G. B. H. Executive Senator John Bowen Logan Jad, Paulo de Margerie. Very. Nice Day, today compared to yesterday where we lost zoom like much of America which you're GonNa talk about later in the show much calmer their stress for years for law. Commerce. Very stressful day that and then the as you last night. But Anyway, state Senator Beck Arosh has been a leading voice in the Senate on vote by mail legislation. Now that it's the law of the land, she joins us on the line to talk through what this task particularly with early voting underway and the United. States. Postal Service under siege send Al. thanks for coming back again to Boston public radio. We appreciate it. All right. It's my pleasure to be here. Thanks so much for having me. So let me give everybody the number and the email. The number is eight, seven, seven, three, oh one, eighty, nine, seventy, eight, seven, seven, three, oh one, eighty, nine, seventy. You can call the senator with your questions. You can email it be pr at W. G. B. H. A. Dot Org. So so let's let's start before we get to what the deal is in. Massachusetts in an jared travails she'll she'll detail. What is going on nationally, we had the postmaster general Louis Joy insisting that everything is fine during this long grilling up on Capitol Hill but. It doesn't sound like everything is fine. Well I. Think we've got you know an inquiry and the lawsuit coming from various attorneys general around the country including our our very own best lawyer of the people more healy to really get to the bottom of that. So we'll have to see how that unfolds I. Think the thing is that it's really you know deeply disappointing Um to put it mildly is the language that we're hearing from Mr Trump at this particular moment which honestly is voter suppression anyways like that It is just inaccurate right voting by mail has been tried and true process for over one hundred, fifty years of days all the way back to the Civil War and we've had plenty of success with it and I really just encourage everybody to you know pick pick the option that is the best voting option for you. We made sure right here in Massachusetts to provide both vote. By Mail and in person voting and so really just voting. Your vote is your voice I voted by mail and I don't lots and lots and lots of other people voted by mail. I've seen certainly seen bumps in the implementation here. But I've also seen great successes including people who say they've you know they've been to in their application the Ballard sent they received their ballot within days after being, which is a perfectly normal amount of time where you know male to take to arrived from one place to another sent it back and it was received and processed and accepted also within just a matter of a couple of days. Okay well, I don't think that that has been a universal experience by any stretch get to what's going on in Massachusetts. I you know I don't understand how things can be fine when within days of his appointment May. Testified yesterday. But when in these hearings, he come hours at post offices around the country tonight overtime to mail Clarkson carriers said Kerry should leave me. I'll behind we congressman Steve Lynch who got into a kind of testy back and forth would enjoy yesterday pointing out that they ran into the chief central post office in Boston took out six fast sorting machines and Joyce he has said he has. No intention of putting them back. So I don't see how things can be fine. We'll get to jared story and other people's stories about the mail being unbelievably slow all summer long in Massachusetts you know what I'm saying it's not fine. Yeah. Yep Yup. It's it's inconsistent for sure and this is why I've been saying since the very beginning that you know the second you got your application. Then back the second you got your ballot, send it back or go and drop it off You know at this point where we are literally one week away from the Primary Day at this point ballot do back by eight P one week from today if it were means the bidding my ballot at this stage of the game. Is. Would you know take a quick trip over to town hall and drop it off the ballot box You know it is it is disappointing to put it mildly as I possibly can that we are seeing these kinds of voter suppression efforts from our Federal Government in one of the most critical, the most critical election cycle in our lifetime. Hand here. This is my experience and I've heard from leg I've been talking about it. I've been giving nearly daily updates for the last almost month, which is why this is so significant and so people have emailed me they've tweeted. So here's my story. So basically, like a lot of people I won't be in town on election day because it is before Labor Day So. That in itself is a challenge show I got my my request for the ballot in the mail. I did wait a couple of days but then I tried to get it out immediately Almost immediately that was about four weeks ago I just finally got my ballot yesterday in the mail so. A lot of people have also written me and said, well, you should go online you should go to the state tracker that it didn't show up. So I called Secretary Galvin's office. They said you have to call the city of Boston because this is where you live. This is where you vote. So I called City Hall both were very efficient in their calls both were very helpful but they told me that essentially took almost about ten days it seems to get to city hall it took a while to process it took another. Week for city. Hall. To mail the ballot back to me again, I live in Boston. Why did it take an entire week for this to get to me and I only got it yesterday as you say, which is now sitting in my bag with me because I'm not going to put it back in the mail but this is the condition of a lot of people as I've just heard anecdotally through social media people who've written us on the show. I mean that's got to be very concerning that this hasn't gone that officially. I it is. It is concerning I'm a I. think we're seeing a lot of things contributes to the delays you know and and again I've seen a lot of people get get your things run perfectly smoothly and a lot of people with stories like yours where it's not running smoothly you know and I think it's important to mention that this moment that even the applications to submit to get mail in ballot or do until tomorrow raise the though if you have not. Yet applied for a vote by mail ballot you can still do that right. You can still at this point, you're definitely not mailing that you're gonna be sending an email through your town clerk, which includes signature or you're taking that application postcard or downloading it from the website and hand delivering it to the clerk you know in Boston or anywhere whoever your local clerk is because certainly won't get there in time otherwise, but those applications are not due until five pm tomorrow So that means you know and that's something that we wanted to to do from a legislative perspective to make sure that. Many people who wanted to get a mail in ballot. Could you so that? Does I mean that you're if you're getting your ballot at this stage of the game you're you're probably going to drop it off in person but but again, you know our clerks they're processing. Thousands I. I spoke with one local clerk. WHO said you know if we were if we what we are learning from this for sure is that when you put ballots in people's hands, they use them and we have been talking about you know low voter turnout for as long as I can remember and before that for sure and when we're in a moment where access to elections and and votes. Vote the act of voting is Ohio. So critically important you know we're seeing we're seeing success rate. We're seeing people get apply for male unbalanced use mail in ballots and that is in turn. Increasing turn out which is, which is great for democracy but we have had a lot of things contributes to the delays Obviously, we have a issue. This would it lightly with the US Postal Service You know we've had a number of other delays as well. you know part of why I was pushing for the issue of balanced generally without having to do the the first back and forth with the application There were a number of logistical. Hurdles let's say that they precluded that option but we've even the clerks couldn't even start really efficiently processing those male invalid applications for weeks after the first host parts were sent out because the back end processing system wasn't updated. Let's go back to them. You just just a moment. I want to remind people of our number. First of all for people who have questions, I probably covered a lot of ground with my own story but our number is eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy, again, eight, seven, seven, three, oh, one, eighty, nine, seventy. So let me just ask you. As a practical point what I do. Now you mentioned that it should be delivered in Person Secretary Galvan has also said publicly at this point in the game, people should be delivering their ballots person. What does that mean? Does that mean dropbox does that mean where you voted walked people through how they hand liver at this point and how long they can hand deliver. You can handle ever right up until eight PM on the day the election's eight PM. We've got plenty of time even if you're heading out of town and you're not limited business hours because drop boxes are outside. In fact, I've been getting pictures have dropped boxes from all across. The Commonwealth particularly within my own district I. I live in Needham that dropbox for the ballot is massive and read they actually call it big red. Like the old chewing gum This big red box and it says put your ballots here and it's right outside of town hall and you just take your ballot and how do you how do you? How do you find out where it is in your individual town? Senator. Yet you can go to your local clerks website, and if it's not, you know on the website, you can always call your local quick. So call the local town clerk and ask or check on the website. Okay I'm sorry go ahead. No no, it's fine and and you know in places like Boston there might be several dropbox by I don't know offhand You can. You can check that out I. I hope that in a place like Boston where you have shaw such ground to cover that there would be a couple of ballot boxes So you can. You can go anytime, drop it off, and you know it's just like putting ed piece of mail in the mailbox it's that you're putting ballot the ballot dropbox. Right well, I have dominated enough of his conversation with my story. So let's go to our callers. Let's start with Sally calling from Cape Cod High Sally. Hi. I just came back from early voting in Barnes. I'm sixty five and I was concerned about whether to do it in person or the full or what I was GONNA do. I decided to do early voting. He was safe. It was easy efficient and I got watched steals my gallant with glue at, put it in my printing so. I think that is a great solution rather than worrying about the mail I'm just. I'm just too concerned that. Remnants out there that are trying to change a three. Way I want to change in three is not. Getting trump out. You know it. Thank you very much for that call sally as like to point I just looked looked up. Austin because you have a list from Secretary Galvin's website. and. There's one unless they've they've this up and I'm happy to be corrected if somebody knows better. But the one dropbox in Boston is at one city hall square could not be more inconvenient place to stop off. There's no place to park. You're right in the middle of traffic even though there's less traffic now so The mailing address, which is too late to mail for the primary. Obviously. But senator that's pretty disgraceful one. Place. In all Boston as square. Yeah I'd have to have a conversation with the with the Boston and election officials. And you know that that's also as this is something my office is doing and I've been really dedicated to doing is tracking all these what I'm calling bumps in the Road of Implementation that we can try to do better for the general election the biggest. State. and. I saw this when I went online yesterday I saw the same thing just one. Yeah I. Guess What You'd have to do you have to drive down the City Hall Square hope it traffic isn't bad. Have Somebody your passenger see run out to the dropbox because you're not to be able to park down there unless you want to pay forty dollars and then run back to your car. Wow. The Elections Department in Boston? I think might do a better job to accommodate all the tens of thousands of voters here anyway numbers eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine, seven, oh. This is from. Oh this is question about someone who suspicious about. Before it started before you go to that question. I. Just WanNa help say that because we're now in the early voting period and. Valley for the comment you can also drop off your I believe that you can drop off your ballot at early voting locations. So I believe that I appreciate that bought the several early voting locations again, I don't have that called up right in front of me but I, I've seen several different locations on social media I'm not part of the Boston legislative delegations I've been. High. District We're not, I'm glad you Sandler blaming you. I I'm just saying for people who live in Boston including jared you might want to. Drop it off at one of those early building. During business hours correct. Yes if you WANNA drop it off with with a person at an early voting location, the early voting location has to be open. So Yeah Okay Robert Negative all option. His emailing he wants to know how does mass validate the person who signed the as the person who's registered I've heard stories where people have received ballots for dead relatives what prevents someone from voting and signing a dead relatives name. And and and sending it back in. That's from Bob in Oklahoma actually. Oklahoma well, hello by. Massachusetts has an affidavit on the experience. Well, actually, there are a couple of envelopes that you get. When you cast a male invalid you got the you know the envelope, it comes in which then talking the recycle bin. But then inside the pack gas, you have the envelope that you have to find the secure on world And on the envelope and you need to sign is an affidavit that says explicitly that committing voter fraud is a very serious criminal offense and has very serious penalties and also we've been study after study after study that just shows that voter fraud is. Not a thing and so we we have we do have a certification in an affidavit process where you have to sign that envelope and your will be rejected. If we do not find that envelope the penalties are very clearly stated right on the envelope and again voter fraud. it's just it's proven time and again that that voter fraud is is really just. Not, a significant concern here and in fact. In, fact, I think of the Brennan instituted a study that that it's more likely for an American to be struck by lightning than it is to be an incident of of mail voting fraud interesting t meals senator and said that lists early voting locations that are available at Mass Dot Gov. I take her at her word she says that they're available at these. Sites around Boston so people can look up there. And I hope she is correct. I can chime in our producers just told us those include locations in Boston, include the East, Boston High School Gym, the Condon's school on. Yes. It's on the website so we can blame Bill Galvin for not making this clear on printouts. The Person We want to blame here secretary state I, don't know. And said, this is well, this is a little troubling anti said she sent her ballot not application three weeks ago and last night did a tracking search for my ballot and I've received a message stating no records found experienced. Okay. So if she if this continues up until September, I can go vote September first. Person Yes Well, it depends. It. If the ballot if there's no record of the ballot being right when you take your ballot and you put it in the dropbox for you, put it in the mail An and the received by the clerk that is considered casting their ballots. So once you right voted my ballot is accepted. God I can't show up to the polls to try to go get. That's absolutely will not happen. But if your ballot you know, I, would I think the last time Marjorie that we were talking to your dog eats your ballot or your kids stills lemonade on it or whatever you can get a replacement or if it if you end up not using it. You know then you can go and vote and person let me just add lots of people are listening I just got a text from someone within the city who said you can also Boston Dot Gov again if you live in the city to find places to for voting or even see a picture of the big, it's not big red, but you can see they very colorful. Vote by mail box. Let's go to our next caller Shirley from Brighton Hi Shirley. I think we answered my question I just wanted to know. I sent my application verb about a month ago. They said they mailed it a week ago. I haven't received it I wanNA, just go vote now. Early voting and? A great question Shirley thanks for that call. Thank you Yep Harry. Shirley you. Can go and vote in person if you're if hopefully when. Does show up just don't use it and you can go and vote in person no problem. Thank you very much. You. Always go ahead senator go ahead. I just want to say and for people were talking about about Boston location I'm but there are the information is for is available for every municipality throughout the Commonwealth, and if you go to Becker route M. A. dot com slash twenty twenty elections I've put explainer videos, details, useful links to the tracker where you can find your voting locations. All of that is available on that website Becker route dot com slash twenty, twenty elections. So I'm thrilled to hear all the information for about Boston in and and also want to provide the resources to live in other Metropolitan Paladins right from Needham let's make that clear you're not You know we're talking with a state Senator Becker Rosh describes are just said from Needham. A lot of people have argued I think there's a s JC is going to hear this case about extending the date by which with the September first primary. So close votes to be counted. What's the deal there? I believe the SAC actually heard arguments about that by telephone conference yesterday So we will see what those results and you know what the. Deciding You know I think the common goal here is is to ensure that voters can safely cast their ballots and have their votes counted you know so for me as the leading champion of voting by mail in Elections Act that's been really out in front on this issue I. Think the best thing I can do is just to continue to disseminate accurate information. So voters like we're doing today that will help voters achieve that goal You know and have to say, I think the real issue here is that our primary date. So very late are married. The way our our laws are set up. Our primary date is the very last in the entire country we are deadlocked and the way our statute is written about when we hold our primary election, we only have a two week window to move it. You know and I spoke about this when we moved the primary date this year because our initially according to our statutory law, our primary Dave wasn't supposed to be until the fifteenth. and in order to comply with federal law, we have to have those ballots in the it being sent out to you know, Americans living overseas by the nineteenth, which is just locally in sufficient amounts of time. So I actually filed the bill at the beginning of the session, and as I've had more and more conversations about this people have been making this proposal for decades you know that we move. Our primary date from seven weeks in advance of the general, which is again dead last in the nation to sometime in the late spring period with where more than half the nation hold their traditional primaries like we have So I followed the bill back the beginning of the session in last January to move the primary to the second Tuesday, June and then we wouldn't have the various complicating. ARE COMING UP in the context of this lawsuit right you would easily be able to have ten days afterwards to receive and process the mail in ballots because we wouldn't be so close to General. So senator. In advance of your coming on for the last couple of days, inviting people to submit emails here's another. It would help to know why a mail in ballot be rejected in. Massachusetts. For example, I've heard that in some states, the ballot is sealed with Scotch tape rejected. Is there some sort of advocation I think you've addressed that what if the ballot is mismarked? I think we've we've heard reports of ballots being rejected this interjecting that we've heard ballots being rejected in other parts of the country for stray marks. How does it work here? So, even if he were voting in person if you like you know drew a smiley face on your ballot and we still not process. So, straight marks could be an issue. You ought to be careful to fill out your ballot correctly, but that's again that's the same whether you're voting by mail or voting in person. So the real issue I think we're ballots could run into trouble is not whether you look on the scratch state but instead if you if you fail to sign an affidavit in that envelope, I'm so make sure you sign it. Make sure you use black ink black Pan I think the instructions they pencil is also acceptable but I I I don't think I even have a black pencil. So I used a black and to fill out that ballot and make sure you follow the instructions. Are you complete the ballot correctly right? Don't. Don't put any stray marks on it out properly, stick it in that interior ballot envelope. That you sign it That signature is really really important and then and then put it in the extra envelope and either mail it. You know or drop it off another quick question This is somebody who's been tracking their ballot online. Does it I'm not sure what it means that my ballot was quote unquote except it doesn't just mean that the envelope containing the ballot has been received or does it mean that has also pass them screening onto mean that the ballot has actually been quote unquote cast. Yeah if your status on the tracker says, your ballot is accepted, you're done your ballot is in your vote has been counted congratulations and Cody Ritchie in. Quincy. Thank you for calling. Take my call I, return my about the primary election already wondering if I. Need to apply again for. The general election. Roy Automatically, get one. Question. Richie. What's It D- It depends they is a great question. Thank you so much for asking It depends on how you submit your application on the application There were three different that. You could check for which elections you want to vote by mail, and you can check a box just for the primary. You could check a box just for the general or check a box for both I checked from both If you like me also check the box for both elections Then you do not need to reapply your ballot for the general election. Will. Come if you only applied for the primary then you should actually according to the law that that the legislature passed and the governor signed, you should be getting another application form in mid September writer on the fifteenth to apply again to vote by mail in the general election. But if you check that box for both elections should be off that. Senator Rush Jackie wants to know why birth years are printed. Next to your full legal names on the outside of the prepaid return envelope. She's concerned about security risks. She corrected. So why would? Why would they do this? I. Birth Year is printed on I. Only remember seeing my address on the mailing envelope. Yeah but I could be wrong about that I would have to look into it I, I mean age right. Obviously is the. Qualifier for being able to vote So so that's relevant information but at least on my return envelope, I remember only seeing my address, my name and address which would go on the outside of any mailing envelope. Okay. We have a lot of bus donas calling in to say that I shouldn't criticize the drop boxes that there's a lot of drop boxes. You can all around all around Boston I think that in fairness to the secretary of state, the have been older version than I. got. It wasn't the. As I said, I did the same thing yesterday I saw the same information is used so that I'm that way. And Yeah I saw the same thing and as I mentioned earlier somebody I. Know within the city texted me and said go to Boston dot go find more information there. Okay. So the Secretary of State's office is still perhaps behind that is that what you're saying, jared. So. tweeted time but we have time for a real real quick one because we're almost out of time and Boston, you just have a few seconds what your question real quick. Hi. My question is about signatures and how signatures invalidated. I've heard in other parts of the country. The balanced have disqualified signature is not perfect and how he validating the signatures and I'm particularly concerned about millennials who never right the signature the same way twice. Oh. That's a that's a great question to. What do you think Senator Ash? So again, we've been using various forms of. Voting by mail at through absentee voting dating back to the civil war Some states implemented signature verification process. Massachusetts has never done that and so if you are signing that ended again you're signing. A sworn legal affidavit acknowledging that. Fraud is a serious criminal offence the signatures you know your signature on that envelope is key the ballot rejected. If you don't find on that line we have never seen my knowledge real issues of voter fraud nor have we seen them in any of the states that use the methodology of this process of voting So I I am I'm not worried about extensive voter fraud because again it's just it's Jack not a big thing It's it's just not a thing you know to put a colloquially so So we are the are all looking for those signatures Dallas will be rejected if there is no signature that affidavit But again I think we're in quite quite good shape in terms of our ballots being able to come in and voters being responsible. Okay Senator Rouse. Thank you very much for your time I. Hope I. Hope People can fix the post office because lots of people are GonNa have late fees on everything lots of people particularly older people May. Not paying their bills online, they're paying them. By Mail and you hear story after story Donnelly a week two weeks. Three weeks I mean it's something really wrong. Yeah. Yeah well, I'm real grateful to send her murky Warren many members of our Federal Congresswoman Press League or doing a lot of work right now to boost the efforts to. Save the USPS and make sure that the USPS is a functioning correctly and and you know this isn't just about voting right this is also medication bryce. The ramifications of our mail service not working. is are very significant well beyond. Voting although of course is top of everybody's mind and also you know again deep appreciation to our Attorney General Maura Healey and her colleagues General across the country that are that are actively pursuing the and you know more healy has a really good track record when it comes to doing donald trump. So I'LL BE Out On that okay senator thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. But you say so much state Senator Becker route is a Democrat from Needham. We'll coming up for many dreamers now that the president is trying to dismantle. DACA. The prospect of getting a job has become a nightmare Ali. Noorani joins us for that and more on eighty nine point seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston Public Radio John Bowen is in for Jim Brady. President trump is figured out a way to circumvent protections for migrant children by using private contractors to round them up. By detaining them and hotels, and then deporting them to their home countries. Accelerated timeline is not just another tack on the asylum system is denying is migrant children legal rights. Joining us on the logic about this a blow to the daca recipients or pursuit of the American dream and other immigration headlines is all in Irani allies executive director of the National Immigration Forum his latest book. There goes the neighborhood how communities overcome prejudice and meet the challenge of American immigration on Irani's great to hear. Thank you so much for calling in. Great. Thank you for thanks so much rather we'll before we get back to the kids and DACA. Since the election on so many people's minds alley. I WanNa talk about these stories about the impact of immigrants on voting in two, thousand, eight, hundred, twenty, what we know about where their votes will matter most and how will matter. Well you know the assumption here is that the immigrants are foreign born vote immigrants naturalized. Citizens. that. Their vote will play a disproportionate impact in a place like California or Arizona places where you know we were led to believe that that's where immigrants have moved. The reality is that when you look at the growth in the foreign born community more recently, it's really important parts of the country where you see the share of eligible voters who are foreign born really skyrocket. So new American economy really helpful a very, very good think-tank got a New York they released new data last week that found that in Miami. Dade Florida for there's a forty eight percent of voters are eligible voters excuse me are foreign born. So Flora not only in Miami Dade, but in Broward Florida, the ones that are interesting to me is for then Texas twenty two percent of eligible voters in Fort Bend Texas. Are Foreign born and I've been to Ford Bend a few times in Fort Bend is A. Wealthy suburb of Houston and you drive into their. It's like this mix of Asian South Asian Latino Communities But then you also have win at Georgia fills out the top ten where eighteen percent of eligible eligible voters are foreign born. So Georgia. Texas South Florida you know these are communities that are just gonNA disproportionate impact of foreign-born borders November. You have you you mentioned that there's a shift I mean, this is drastically shifted from the last election, and if so we have a sense of what get out the vote efforts might be. How ultimately, how powerful this relatively new electric might be? Well certainly in states like Texas Georgia Georgia mainly because of the influx of. The foreign born residents over the last ten, fifteen years in Texas. We've seen a real spike in naturalization rates So in those states, I think a lot of this recent change obviously Florida with large Cuban and South American population. It's been ongoing but this is the real opportunities for both Democrats and Republicans. Okay. How are they going to engage persuade and then mobilize voters you know when I talked to my in my colleagues who are doing voter mobilization work they say over and over again that neither party of doing any sort of a good job of really reaching out to these voters that really tapping. Well you know you mentioned assumptions alley I. Think there's often assumption too that. The most recent immigrants because of the presence seeming animus towards people coming into this country are going to vote for Democrats but is that even necessarily true? That it's actually not true and this is why I think that the Democrats were wrist but just taking. The Latino voter for granted and Latino voters are just like anybody else. You know they care about education the economy healthcare yes. They care about immigration that's part of their family story in very recent way but you know some of our research is showing the actual among Latin next voters. You know what message is resonating the best is a faith oriented message. So you know there's an opportunity for both parties to reaching out to these voters and In these states and many other communities, they're gonNA play like I said, just a very, very important role I didn't get what you said. You say estate oriented message. was I mean I'm sorry faith oriented faith oriented message. Okay. Okay. Okay. So Appeal to people's are. Religiosity People's. Freedom of religion that kind of thing. Exactly. The freedom of religion, their belief in religious liberty, their belief in God their belief in family values their ways to have this conversation whether you know if you're a Democrat without undermining principal, there's a party in their ways I was conversation with voters Republican nuts, undermine your principles of the party. But again, neither party is really investment timer the money and they're frankly taking them for taking this electric for granted. So I'll Lena Ronnie we've been spending a lot of time talking about the budget with the within the postal service. But there's another agency getting a lot of attention right now, and that's US citizenship and immigration services for the fact that it's Set to furlough two thirds of its employees somewhere around there. That number at the end of this month that affects citizenship ceremonies and that process. Again, this is coming before right before the election What do you see happening there? So. This has been going on really over the course of summer where US citizenship and immigration services part of the Department of Homeland. Security. So the like you said, they were going to have to furlough about over thirteen thousand employees unless they were able to get approximately I think one point two, billion dollars for Congress now. They are saying that this budget shortfall has a function of of covid nineteen and in part that is the case but I would argue that the bigger issue here is that over time the administration has actually reallocated resources within uscis to spend in mazing amounts of money on security vetting on additional steps within the visa application processing. So there's actually been a increase and inefficiency or or or or really making UCS, much less efficient organization and therefore kind of increasing their costs would just come back to bite them in the case of Covid nineteen in the budget issues that have hit. So the house. Over. The weekend passed legislation to in essence provide USCIS the resources they need that you don't you mean animus consents meaning that there wasn't a roll call vote the Senate could very well do the same and that remains to be seen. But like you said, what's going to happen if these thirteen thousand employees furloughed number one, thirteen, thousand people are gonNA go without paychecks during pandemic and our place like Nebraska that's eleven hundred people and number two we're going to see a backlog and a slowdown whether it's an naturalization applications or even any other other visa applications that are that are in the pipeline. We talking to Ali Noorani as we do about immigration issues? Ali This is really sad story. These dreamers I mean here they are talking about having no idea. What your life is going to be like in a year two years or even six months about. Trying to hire the best talent big companies like proctor and gamble. Bank of America, northwestern mutual and some others according to this New York Times story are reluctant to hire dreamers. Even. If they are extremely talented because they're afraid of investing. Time and money and training them, and then having them deported basically. Does. In this is this is the perfect example of president trump not only messing with the lives of talented dreamers but stabilizing a workforce that companies are coming to rely on are actually actively recruiting and you know just yesterday in fact, the administration formalize that they would only renewed daca status for one year increments. Instead of two year increments of the program originally had So the administration is putting the lives and the livelihood of these young people in Limbo by. By by putting these bite by in essence, not not adding any sorts of stability to the program and leads a company like proctor and gamble some, you know make frankly discriminatory decisions to say you know what we can't. We're not going to hire you because we are afraid the administration's GonNa pull the rug out not just from you but from us and you know a lot of credit to Malda, Mexican, American legal, Defense Education Fund for Hainanese cases and and taking them to the courts. Do. You have a sense of a shift I. Understand the Bank of America northwestern mutual have already settled cases for for essentially the same actions that the proctor and gamble is engaging in again saying. Look you might be well qualified for the job, but we're we're just not going to make this investment and have it burn up on us. and Tom Saying the CEO of Maldives Set I think in that in the New York. Times article that you know these are you know these are kind of highlighted cases there's no sense of actually how often does have happening just with the the small business the mid size is that making the same decision proctor and gamble is so that's why it's important that you know we're seeing these kids come into public light companies are changing their posture I'm that hopefully, this type of thing doesn't happen. What is? Vice President Biden said about DACA. where he to be elected Well I know that my my understanding is that if he were to be elected, he would number one, protect the program and then number two I believe that within the first hundred days of. His administration would be taken to move forward with a broader immigration reform plan but you know underneath all that there are a lot of things that the minute that Biden Administration can do through executive authority to reverse what the trump administration is put into place, and that's in some ways is is a much harder a task because if you don't the process, the right way everything gets sucked back up on the porch. So there if we get to that place it's GonNa take a lot of smart people really hard for. You. One. Last thing about this. There was a lot of Republican agreement about DACA. Earlier right I. mean it isn't crazy to think that without president trump leading the charge in his. The people in his administration that had been very anti immigrant that there could be a buy-in back to the gang of Eight. Hurt but no, I'm just GONNA say the Republicans could be on board with this. I? Mean a lot of businesses are in Bor onboard with this. Doing something about Dr. Right you're absolutely right I mean Daca over and over again enjoys. Seventy plus percent support across the political spectrum. You know in poll after poll members of Congress Republican the Democrat has. Sponsored legislation to to move forward, the problem has always been is that the trump administration driven by Stephen Miller is that they wanNA use they WANNA hold dr recipients hostage to cuts and legal immigration increases in interior enforcement, and that's when these deals collapsed. I remember back in early two, thousand, eighteen, it was chuck Schumer said Okay you give us permanent protections for doc recipients will give you two five billion dollars for the wall and it the trump administration that walked away from that. Speaking with Ali. Ali I'm not always on the show but I feel like every time I am we have a story of this nature that I'm about to ask about where they're the trump administration has created its own systems around immigration and the latest I we have seen this elsewhere but at the latest example. Are, migrant. Children who are being detained in hotels not even making their way into the US immigration system because this is all being facilitated by private contractors and not the government. This is One of the most alarming things I think. I've seen most terrifying thing that I've seen over the last four years. So the administration you has used Kobe nineteen pandemic to an essence closed down immigration United States whole stop. But as part of that strategy, they have said that if you an unaccompanied minor and if presented to border patrol along our US Mexico border seek asylum, they're not even gonna put those kids into the system. So what they doing? Now under the authorities of article forty two kind of coming out of CDC is that they are saying that because, of Covid, nineteen, these children, some of them have been of the youngest two are being turned over to a private contractor, not health and human, services not a public entity but to a private contractor that private contractors in D. Holding those children in hotels along the border until the government can expel that child back to a Honduras wherever. Now intentionally using the word expel and not deportation deportation would mean that they have gone through some sort of a legal process where their rights have been considered an upheld as. Human beings much children. So these children are being expelled from the US and the the most Bizarre part of this since his family show that the word I'm going to use. Is that they're being expelled because of the threat of covid nineteen, they're being tested for covid nineteen. B before being put on the plane and most all of those tests are coming back negative. So the the administration's realizing these kids are not They've not been infected with Kobe, but there's still And this is the very essence of of shadow government I mean this has been constructed to circumvent the system. This has been contracted to. Circumvent the system to essence put children in you know a dark sell where there is no oversight there's no Children's rights or health and you know this is on us as a country where we have to understand that this is on us. You know is, is this NPR story points out normally in the United States of America when kids traveling alone traveling longer apprehended. These special protections because they are underage to make sure they're not sent back to these dangerous situations and so many times he was the same same story where there were these. Gangs came after children where the children were. You know. At knife point being forced into gangs and there was sexual abuse, etc etc. so they were in dangerous situations. So what we're doing now is sending these children's right children right back to the situations. That they came from without even. I mean, isn't this isn't there what is the law about this alley? Is there some kind of law that normally kicks in to protect these kids is it has just gotten around because of the virus. So they have you article forty two of the way to kind of try to get around now I believe Aclu and. Kind, which is kids in need of defense has taken this policy or this program to court We'll see how it all plays out, but you know Chad Wolf, who is the acting? Secretary Department of Homeland Security testified in front of Congress and said, well, part of the reason they're not detain it's getting putting some system that there's no room. That's an outright lie in the fact is that you know there's a capacity to house more than thirteen thousand unaccompanied children currently within the HHS system. You know we're not. We're not talking about thirty thousand children here. We're talking about roughly somewhere between five hundred thousand depending on you know kind of where you're coming from but. The fact is that the administration would much rather just expel these kids and send a message that to Central America that we as the United States are gonNA treat children as quickly as possible. One last thing for me about this, you know people were incensed when we heard about babies being separated from their parents at the border, we're getting almost no reaction to these stories about these kids being held in hotels this because of the virus or the election or where's the uproar? That's really really important. Question I. Think it's it's because of the virus it's because there's a certain amount of kind of you know Fatih I think on the part of the the public where you know it's kind of like every day the administration does something else awful to immigrants and they all begin to kind of blend into one which is kind of the interesting part about the election kind of going back to talking about earlier because it's not just the. Eligible voter who is a naturalized citizen is going to outside impact of this election because of these issues in part but it's also to be that suburban mother who was reading this article WHO's listening to this conversation who has seen these stories over the course the last three or four years as going to ask herself. You know that kid who was separated from their mother net kid who's being held in a hotel. That kid of the same age as my child Kid looks like my child's friends and I believe very strongly that you know the wavy ministration is is handling immigration actually going to push suburban mothers away from the Republican Party. Rally he's staying with. People who are officially detained in centers tells about this what we're learning coming out of Florida where Muslim detainees are the food options are given are either pork or expired meals pork of course, is just not acceptable as part of Muslim culture and yet this is what they're offered. Well. So this is It's the function of an essence kind of a a an immigration detention system that has been outsourced to private contractors an essence, the private, the private prison. Industrial Complex. So this particular company is chrome service chrome services, and they're running a processing center in Miami. There was some reporting say last year arms are last week about Muslim detainees like you said being given pork or expired allow food. Now, a couple of things have happened as a result one is that the Orthodox Jewish community has engaged in a very, very direct with the administration and pushing back and saying you know if you as an administration if we country believe. In religious liberty. This is something that we should not be doing, and then I also know behind the scenes that you know evangelical leaders across the country of also with the administration pushing back again, just on the the the the idea of religious freedom and treating allowing people to practice their religion, and I would say you know for this particular company who has a very large contract with the administration they don't care. In fact, you know the reporting was that the chaplain. At the facility said, it is what it is. which is repeated the phrase, the president used about the coronavirus it it is what it is. Allie I, don't know how you do what you do i. mean these stories are so hard and so upsetting. Tell us about these. This this school program. That is now suffering for these. Immigrant kids because of. The virus. Well, this one of actually I think kind of a great great story not because of the the context of just because of what the people thinking, what we're going to figure this out. So the context here is the migrant protection protocol. Now, this was all put into place over the last year or the trump administration said that in order for a family or an individual to pursue an asylum claim, they have to wait in Mexico to their court cases being heard. So it was led to approximately sixty thousand people in essence kind of camping in makeshift camps on the Mexican side of the US Mexico border from Tijuana to Brownsville. Tijuana there was A. or a coke staying at a shelter there, and they realize that their kids weren't getting any sort of education or schooling because in essence they're stranded in Tijuana. So they hook up with this organization that was actually doing providing providing education services to refugee camps in in Greece and this particular organization called the school box project you know broader colored bus to start to teach these kids covid nineteen They have to shut down the program and what happens is that these mothers in Tijuana said you know what we were teachers back on Michelle Kwan. We can bring our skills here and we can make sure that our kids in the shelter are getting a an education. So they teamed up, they started a little nonprofit and they're doing their best to provide these kids You know some some education, the nonprofit you called international, Activists Youth, and they're actually recruiting college students to help teach. These young people who are stranded in Kempston in Tijuana. You have a sense of what their life is like and I love that they started with therapy classes and just think about the difference that the teachers make when they come in and and you have the you. Suddenly you're you're world is blown open for a little bit and you have a for lack of a better term color because the this colorful that rolls in the teachers who are coming our classes. And Yeah you get this great expansion in the middle of really really dire circumstances but I love it starts with arts. There's something a little bit upbeat to end with Alli Noorani. Thanks a lot. Hope you're hanging in. Thanks to call him in. Hey. Thank you as always talk to you soon. Okay. Thank you. So Much Ali Noorani is executive director of the National Immigration Forum Latest Book Is there goes the neighborhood how communities overcome prejudice and meet the challenge of American immigration. We'll coming up with one day down how much distance to the Republican Party of trump but between the party of Lincoln Jennifer Horn joined us for that conversation next on nine seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. Whole Looking back to Boston public. Radio Bowen is in for Jim Rowdy. So last night, the RNC kicked off the convention by persistent positioning trump as an inspiration, a statesman, a friend of the black community and a leader who got it right by acting swiftly on the corona virus outbreak. The Lincoln project however offered some counter programming. March thirty first in the trump White House trump's Cova team led by Jared Kushner decided to ignore testing and states with democratic governors evil was in that room. And it looked like any other bureaucratic meeting but there were powerpoint spreadsheets, briefings and estimates of the dead. It was that meeting lead trump policies that would kill more Americans than Pearl Harbor Vietnam and nine eleven more Americans than World War One it was deliberate cold political premeditating. Some people say trump and Kushner were incompetent when he came to Covid, let's call it one days. It is what it is evil. Wow Okay Jennifer what is the former chair that Hampshire Republican party one of the founders of the Lincoln project which is aiming to get conservatives, and Republicans to turn away from trumpism consider non conservative politicians instead, and is the Washington Post Post put it. To preserve the union that Lincoln project wants to drive trump out of office by driving him, nuts. Jennifer. For, one. Welcome back to Boston public radio. Great to talk to you again. Whatever. It takes Marjorie rhetoric. So. So before we get to more what you're doing at the Lincoln Project, tell us what you thought last night. Well I I just want to say go the record saying I'm so offended that Jim is clearly trying to avoid me. That's number one. To Talk to John Clearly, Jim is trying to avoid me. Jared jared jared. Jared Jared. Apologize. See. I'm so I'm so upset I can't. I think last night frankly was exactly what? You would expect it and you know a couple of things from from the technical perspective production perspective of all this regardless of how you feel about politics or policy anything else the Democrats did and amazingly good job. They surprised everyone at what they were able to produce and present to the country, and so from that perspective, there's really no competition but the thing is with these conventions. The whole idea behind the convention is that you're supposed to be unifying rallying your base and pushing them out. Into the general election with a message, and you know that in an energy that will start to wrap in all those general election voters that you need so badly in order to win, and so I would suggest that what we saw last night from the RNC is that they've got the first part down pat their basically unified they're all in for trump You know it's it. I hate to say this, but it is cult like in the you know the degree to which they have done this including going so far as saying. So this year we're not going to bother with a party platform we're just going to say. We're all in for trump that's that's what happened with them in their platform never mind a statement of principles or leading. The American people know if you vote Republican, here's what you get. We're just GONNA say we're all in for trump. So that part good job on the other part were they need to present a message that is inclusive and we'll speak to undecided voters or independence or a couple of percentage points of Democrats, which he would need in order to able to win the two seventy I think it's they failed completely and unfortunately when you look at the speakers up for the rest of the week it. There's no encouragement that they're that they're going to do otherwise. Well, this plays into what your your organization, the Lincoln Project is. But how with the ground the Republican? Party. Covered last night. How does veer off? Enough for you to establish the Lincoln. With your colleagues established Lincoln Project. Well, the Lincoln project from the beginning has been about defeating trump in trumpism and I mean what we saw at the convention last night was just a an encapsulation of trumpism at what it is. But so it doesn't really matter what they do or don't say at the convention, our principal and our purpose. is to defeat a president who poses an existential threat to the future of the republic's, and it's not about you know, Oh, I didn't like him at the to begin with or Oh, I wish she wouldn't tweet. Oh, she would just you know just do his job and Not, tweet Oh you know he's he's just an unconventional politician insider. No, that's all garbage and what we've seen from the last three and a half years from this president is that he's a genuinely dangerous person and those who say that he's just not very smart or just not politically tuned in are are completely under estimating. What he's doing and that ad that you just played marjorie are evil. Add somebody said to me yesterday. So go after jared. Kushner because Jared Kushner has an extraordinary influence over this president in the policies that they roll out that affect the American people, and in this particular case, it was jared Kushner as has been reported from widely on credible sources who came up with the idea of under serving. States that are loud is democratic governors, and so what happened do decided that your response to a global pandemic? Intentionally, underserved some portion of the American people. That's evil over a hundred and seventy seven thousand Americans have lost their lives in the last five months and that's why. So this isn't about platforms or conventions or anything else. That's why we have to defeat. Donald Trump. Jennifer Hoon You had a great piece in the Unit Message Union Leader. And one of the things you asked it. Struck home with me is. I get some of the Republicans that worried about being primary I mean I don't think it's obviously a profile encourage I understand that their excuses they're worried about getting reelected not a great excuse but there it is. But I wonder about the rest of us as you point out. The president, himself has talked about slowing the tested testing for Cova, one, thousand, nine hundred, and so we wouldn't find more more taxis admitted he wants to on the post office so he can really sabotage elections. It's like we're the the frog and the water. You know you get put the frog on the hot water you jumps right out, you put the frog and the cool water. Let it slowly heat up. You don't realize you're you're getting boiled till. You're dead I mean is that what? That is That's exactly it. That's exactly it. They you know Donald Trump and I'm not the first person to say this Donald Trump says out loud what most politicians would only whisper. So he's and He I don't think it's because he's not a politician I think it's intentional. I think it's strategic to exactly what you just said from day one. He says the most outrageous things so that when you see and hear the more outrageous things you'd have become numb to it. So Donald Trump has gone on the record more than once in more than one in many ways saying that we have to slow down the testing so that we don't see so many positive results and what that means is. That we're not tracking the spread of a virus, a deadly virus that has become a pandemic. The first step to stopping it and saving lives is to track it spread, and this president has admitted that he's so that down he got in the way ventilators, you got in the way of testing. He got in the way a truly he may. He talks about closing borders being the first to close the borders and they did it. So early, that is a lie we were like twenty, seven or thirty fourth. Of the countries in the world to close to try to close our borders and then we didn't really close them said we did so. And it's you know it's the same with with with everything. He does It's he says it out loud. It just seems so outrageous it couldn't possibly be true and then we all go onto the next crazy thing not the president says, and what we've learned under this pandemic is that when we when we allow that to happen. You know a hundred, seventy, seven, thousand Americans die from it. Well the people who can affect change of course, are the Republicans in office and when we don't see them flocking to your organization. So how? What's the strategy just with the voters who are paying attention to your ads where you're placing them or do you intend to try to get some of those people to come over? Well I. I would note that they're also not flocking to become speakers at their own party's national convention which I find fascinating. That's a gray area point very few gary few, and normally if you're in an primary or heading into tough general election, you'd WanNa be there in front of the base. Excuse me and you would want that national stage you know to to speak with all. Three of them are there I didn't you know lost track of accounting everybody but very few have have put themselves in that position. It's because they know what we know that Donald Trump has become an extreme liability these last couple of months as for you're right. We need to speak to Republicans and in order for Joe Biden to win. We because we're not unlike the president were not just spouting stuff and you know throwing everything in our minds out into the public, there's actually a strategy behind what we are doing. And we know we need to move about three or four percent of Republicans over to Joe Biden in order to make sure that Joe Biden wins. We also know that there's a larger percentage of that that are soft maybe it's ten percent. I don't know the exact number maybe it's a little more than that. It changes from week to week of soft Republicans who know that they cannot and will not vote for Donald Trump, but they need to be encouraged to take the next step and vote for Joe Biden. And so that's who we're targeting. and. There's a lot of talk about how the covert restrictions get in the way of kind of the traditional grassroots campaigning. But we've been very effective at circumventing that we have a very broad I'm sorry it's actually the opposite that we have a very targeted digital operation where we are moving our message in our ads in our information to exactly those voters that we need to move on this, we know which states we need to be we know counties we need to be in we know which people care about the message in one ad versus the message in another Ad, and we've been very aggressive and we're going to become more aggressive everybody people have said to me Gosh. You guys really go after it I. Just people have to understand. We have only just begun. You know we're not in technically in the general election until this convention is over and then we're going to get aggressive. So is the focus just gradual as you do this as opposed to a a tipping point that might come where you get those as you describe them the soft Republicans. I, think a lot of people have been waiting for a tipping point for a long time and it has not come in three and a half more than three and a half years. Well I would suggest actually that it may have come. You know know you never really know where the tipping point is until until you're looking back at it from a historic perspective sometimes and president the president's management of this co of the corona virus of the pandemic. So. Blatantly pudding his ambition and his narcissism ahead of the health and wellbeing of the American people I think will be seen as a tipping point when we look back and kind of pick apart this election. And we see that very clearly as we look not just. From the reactions that we get from people, but as we look at the data that. The issue that Republicans are are are responding to most strongly is the the loss of life because of his. Ego and his power trip and the resulting economic devastation that so many Americans are feeling because of it. So. I. Think that that will be seen as a tipping point as far as the people that were talking to I I think it's really important to remember and I and I said this even when I was in a very partisan role as chairman I, I used to say this about the Democrats and I think it's important I remember this very publicans as well. There's clearly this base can to be with the president. That matter what horrible bigoted misogynistic thing he says or does but the majority of Republicans are are good people who think that they are doing a good thing who are trying to figure out what is a good thing and I said the same thing about America the majority of Americans are good people and they want a better future for the next generation and so we really from my perspective, we're trying to speak to that. Shared Decency that the American people have and help them to understand that that means. In this particular case, we have to put partisanship aside. We talked to Jennifer Horn. She's the former chair of the New Hampshire Republican Party and one of the founders of the Lincoln Project, which has a lot of republican heavy hitters involve. Operatives Rick Wilson Steve Schmidt George t comedy the third rich. Gaylon was was I don't know if she's still there he was one of the founders is he? Yeah. George College is left as we as we know and Brits read about Kellyanne Conway Vice President She's stepping out of the White House at the end of this month and their fifteen year old daughter has been all over social media she wants to be a massive. Emancipate pitches at our parents. Is This I. It could be just a family thing I'm always suspicious people say it's a family thing. But you're saying there's the family thing and what difference does it make to President trump that Kellyanne conway one of his most talented whether you like it or not a apologised is leaving. Yeah so I have extraordinary respect for George Conway I did not know much like involved in this project and I would work with him again in a heartbeat I just think the world of him. I am not going to discuss their family or their children or anything like that. That is. Entirely between them and and frankly it's disturbing to me that those types of things become. So public in this age of social media as far as at this president losing one of his most talented advisors is absolutely a. You, know a a negative. It's absolutely going to hurt him going forward and we we've seen it though you know throughout his presidency as one. You know every time you think he's got somebody in there who might be good that person ends up leaving or getting kicked out at some point along the way it's it's part of what makes him so unstable and so dangerous So you know any operation, any any politician any operation needs their best people in place when you lose one absolutely, it's going to hurt. What do you think about The Biden has been ahead in the polls. Last people very cynical about polls after two, thousand, sixteen on. The president is still very strong marksman economy and there's a lot of people who think that America is much more racist nation than we thought and that the appeals last night to racism frankly resonate with millions of Americans. Well. I think that that's the to some degree there has always been. A base of racism in our country, we know that and we know where it comes from. We know what it's founded in and and it's something that as a as a people. But we you know it's not just that you have to be willing to acknowledge it but you have to willing to confront it and pushed back on it and be part of the solution know the part of it. I don't care if you're black or brown or white or green or orange if you're not willing to speak up loudly and be part of the solution then you just. Part of the problem in this case and what's happened under Donald Trump is that you know for a long time you know I guess you could measure that we have made progress to on the issue because it had become unacceptable to speak out. You know if that's how you felt it was it was kind of things that you kinda whispered about her you had to make sure you're with other like minded bigots before you could save really how you felt and this president has somehow made it. Okay. For people who used to be closet bigots to be out loud and. Active and and embrace them and call them good people on both sides. It's extraordinarily damaging. In a lot of ways, it really divides us as a country and that means that it weakens us every way economically national security any kind of policy you want when we are deeply divided we are hurt. So it's dangerous but it also what has what I think we've seen in this is what I think people are starting to really feel the ache of is at, it's really damaged our American spirit. Has It has hurt people and and I hope my deepest hope and honestly my belief is that that is going to. Push a lot of people on election day whether they ever admitted to upholster or their friends and family are not. It's going to push them to do the right thing and vote for Joe Biden just because he's a decent human being and Donald Trump's so. Is Not. Jennifer. When thank you get a big kick out of your ads, they're really wild. Talking again soon people look for them. They're all at Lincoln Project DOT US this right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Really Take Care you too. Born is the former chair of the New Hampshire Republican Party and one of the founders of the Lincoln project, which is aiming to get conservatives and Republicans to turn away from trumpism and consider non conservative politicians instead coming up to the RNC break the fact checking machine last night CNN's John King is here to go over the kickoff of the Republican National Convention and the other political headlines Swirling about right now you're listening to eighty nine seven W. G.? B. H. Boston public radio. Look Back to Boston. Public Radio Guide in for Jim Brady and joining us on the line to go over the latest advises John King. CNN's chief national correspondent. Necker. Of inside politics which you can catch weekdays and Sunday Mornings at eight o'clock Hello John King. Hello how are you? This? Tuesday well, I mean, I mean my usual panic. St. John. King but I watched. A lot of your coverage last night and. The consensus him to be that a lot of the RNC information was wrong misleading or outright lies. The convention, a track, the candidate. If you will look this is this is I sometimes I make jokes about this just because I need a comic relief in my life, I guess sometimes, but it's actually stressful and it's shameful and it's disappointing that we have to think about the president of the United States, and we have to be on constant alert. for things that are misleading things that are not truthful and things that are outright lies and I make a distinction between the three different gradations. If you will because let's be fair There was a lot of political hyperbole the Democratic convention to, and if you want if you want to run it through, you know literal fact machines, all politicians exaggerate all politicians. Spin all politicians cherry pick right. You take information that's favorable to you. Joe Biden example did not give a speech saying, Hey, I'm the guy who passed the nineteen ninety-four Crime Bill Right on the Guy I'm the WHO thought busing was a disaster. Yeah. So let's let's be fair right? We don't expect the president to say, Hey, I'm the guy on the access. Hollywood tape. However, you you do you know basic facts or facts So there's political hyperbole spend, and then there's things that are just wrong. So what they did last night in Corona virus was clever I guess smart politically it was an alternative reality and I don't know that they can fool people about that people. You know people who are actually persuadable voters because they're living their lives with it. Right? You're seeing the big study about. The the biogen conference in Boston today you're debating whether your kids can go back to school whether that's a case to. Decision or if you just drove three states over to drop them off the college campus somewhere some most of you or at least half of you are still working from home and those of you gone back it's probably a third of your colleagues around everyone's living this you can't fool them about it. You just can't, but they're going to try and they're going to say the president acted decisively every step of the way, and that's just not true now. They were right when they play the video of you know Pelosi played this down early on to blasios played it down early on Cuomo they're right about that everybody got this wrong including the guy talking to you right now in Washington everybody was caught off guard by this. The question is, did you adapt once you've got new information if you're the president United States and you have access to the most the top. Scientists in the world much more information than anyone else did you act on it just on the corona bar so I'll stop there but some of the economic statistics they said we're just either wrong or cherry picked and you know they think they can convince people that Joe Biden is to the left of the squad that has not been show Biden's history but that's more of a fair debate What's it? So, John King I. I was really struck. I think we were all tuning in last night a lot of looking for more and more of an analyst purpose to look at the tone of what was coming out of the Republican. National Convention. And I was struck I there are two themes that kind of emerged. One was people in America people of Color in America were reaching out to you because the Democrats have forgotten you. But on the other side of it, you have people like the mcklusky saying watch out in your suburban areas, your families will not be safe as their flashing images of protesters many of whom are people of color you can probably read between the lines what might be suggested there. What is the what are the? What is the GOP? What is the trump administration campaign trying to do here? Well. Number one they weren't terribly truthful and I'll just put this one in the spin category not the like category about what the convention was to be at least so far it's only been one night we have three more, but the on all the briefings beforehand, they were talking about an optimistic uplifting convention night was dark and grim. It was American carnage it was and you know this is their choice they make, and this is how the president operates. Again, this is the trump convention i. it's his family, his party now. Remember, the see all the contention for years ago. Donald trump was a hostile takeover for years ago. Now, this is the trump party like this is the trump organization. You could call the Republican. Party and it's all about him Joe Biden is not as the opposition but as the enemy you know Joe Biden will not have parties that lied different. Direction, he will destroy the country that's pretty harsh. That's pretty harsh and even our polarized times of the last twenty years. That's pretty harsh. Can they sell it? That's the question Jerry Cancer the mccloskey's of from an area and Saint Louis I used to visit throughout the nineties. In the early two thousands I would go back to the Saint Louis suburbs. As, the suburbs in America were changing right George H W Bush beat Michael Dukakis in one thousand, nine, hundred, Eighty, eight, turn it around to caucus had that big lead h w Bush turned around George. Bush George W Bush squeaked out a win yeah I know he lost the popular vote but against Al Gore because of the Republican strength and suburban America that started with Ronald Reagan and carried through for a while after in the Suburbs have been changing throughout the last twenty, five years of our lives, and I used to go back to every two years every election mid-term elections, presidential elections. I would go back to the same area They're mostly white mostly affluent but can you sell people on the idea that you know black lives matters are marching through your neighborhood? Yes they're disrupting. Yes. They're loud. They're making a political statement you come out with your guns. I. Just I don't know I and you know it's fee some people say it's fearful message and I just had Alec Stewart Smart Republican strategist on my show who said, no, it's a safety message George H W Bush was able to win with the will. And add, and the idea that Michael Dukakis would make you less safe. but George W Bush was also his purse. You people viewed him very differently He was a decent gentle man and people viewed him very decently than Donald, trump? So I I don't know the answer to this one, but it's fascinating to me that they think they can do this. Well, let's look ahead a little bit Melania. Trump is going to be speaking. She got in a little hot water last time because there were sections for speech that looked an awful lot like Michelle Obama's. Speech when she was first lady. But. What do we expect from her? What are we SPEC some some of the other speakers going forward this week John Again. You know I find this fascinating in the sense that we just spent the weekend listening to tapes of the President's old sister say that he has no moral he's a liar he just. He had somebody take college entrance exams. his sisters, his sisters, a very respected federal judge widely respected by Republicans Democrats Leeann legal community, and now his wife has to go up and be a character witness for him about how he's a nice decent man I I'm really interested in this one. I don't know Melania trump and I also think we should be careful here and let's not be too snarky. I think the way families in the White House make choices about how they want to conduct themselves. It's something we should all respect. She is a much less political first lady right You know then Michelle Obama was than Hillary Clinton was Laura Bush wasn't overly political More traditional role if you will and I think that's really up to them. Barron. Trump is about to start his school year remote learning Melania trump from all accounts spent a ton of time working on that worrying as she should about her son So Wha- I'm interested in watching the message tonight but number one, she's not a terribly active campaigner anyway she never has been a number two. We don't have campaign this time in the sense that you don't have as. Many events running around the country So I I think it's an interesting moment I I'm not sure it's a lasting peace of the pre. The president has a ditch among women in this country has lower standing. Now than he did against Hillary Clinton and he just won the electoral, you know he lost the popular vote but won the Electoral College Against Hillary Clinton. The simple math tells you he needs to improve his standing at least marginally among women can Kelaniya trump help. Again I don't know but I think any anybody who can take you inside the president and offer a contrasting view than what we hear from the Democrats and what we hear from President's own sister and his own niece. That's interesting. Talking to John, King from CNN couple of side issues it. I'm dying with you John I, but we talk with Jennifer. I'm one of the Lincoln Project. People, she of course was former chair of the New Hampshire Republican Party I joked George Conway who who was also involved with Lincoln Project said he's stepping aside but more important. Kellyanne. Conway. Who's been a very trusted adviser in a very effective advisor. If he asked me speaker on behalf of the president is also leaving the White House at the end of this month, she's supposed to be speaking the convention. Does it matter is there Something you may know about this that is just not about their fifteen year old daughter and her being matt parents as many teenagers are mad at their parents or is there something significant about Kellyanne Conway's departure? Well, I'll get to this. What I view is significant part in a minute but I take it completely on its face, and I think that if they're stepping out of if they are both stepping out of public life. The moment they do we should respect them. If they are both making a decision to work on their family I think we should respect the second step across that line good for them. If that's the decision a good for them a man I wish you the best of luck I think you know they've obviously had very public issues here I think the significance Marjorie is whether you agree or with President Trump we're whether you agree or disagree with Kellyanne WHO's the woman? Who brought us the term alternative facts. Early, in the trump administration, she is one of the few people and one of the very few women. Who can have difficult conversations with the president Now, there are a lot of people out there rolling their eyes because there's not a great history of people on this president's staff standing up to him telling he's wrong and telling him no, we won't do that Sir and so I I'm not trying to. bronze statue for Kellyanne Conway. However, she is one of the she. She's one of the few people been with them from almost the beginning she was not at the very beginning, but she came on board in the two thousand, sixteen campaign can have difficult conversations with this president and I think her departure is a loss for him in that regard. That as we go through the final ten weeks of the campaign when you're going to have a roller coaster, the president is in a Detroit. Now does not mean he cannot win this election. He can win this election. He can still put together the electoral map again, it is there for him, but there will be difficult moments there will be setbacks he will make mistakes on those. On. Those moments you have to be in a room with the people you trust the most and hear them out and I think I. Think the President Loses here. There are some people listening or on their is saying Oh my God You know she has she you don't have to agree or disagree with her. She has deep experience in politics. She knows him very well and he surrounded most of the people around him just nod or do what they're told when he speaks, he needs someone to challenge every now and then and he's losing someone who sometimes does. in terms of losing Kellyanne Conway WHO's left? I mean presumably the family steps into. Say This I don't know you know much better than I do but presumably the family steps into a a greater role is anybody left that you're aware of who who guides the ship in that way or does it just become a smaller effort? This is really I don't say this to be A to make fun. This is the party of trump We heard Donald Junior last night you're going to hear a VONK. Oh, you're gonNA hear Eric. You're going to hear tiffany. You're GonNa hear the president repeatedly we saw him several times last night you're going to see him several more times today You're not going to hear from Susan, Collins, vulnerable Republican senator from Maine. You're not going to hear from Martha mcsally the more conservative. But. Vulnerable Senator from Arizona you're not going to hear from Cory Gardner the more moderate centrist vulnerable Republican senator from Colorado any Republican tough race Joni Ernst being the exception here. Iowa. Senator who has a tough race but most of them have just they want no part of this This is the trump party and it was a hostile takeover in two thousand sixteen. It is all his now but the message is all about the base, all about people who are loyal. To him or willing to be loyal to him right now and he makes these calls jared I i. think that his son-in-law. Jared Kushner is very important in this. He has some people over to campaign that he trusts, but this largely comes down to the president his son-in-law. Jared Kushner has a huge oversized role bill stepien the new campaign manager Brad parcel the old campaign manager's still there in a senior role but this is a very trump centric it always has been in. Two. Thousand. Sixteen. When a lot of the experience political hand said Mr President don't do this after the access Hollywood tape for example, some of the tried to get him to drop out of the race A and the president in some cases. When he gets establishment political advice, he does the opposite on purpose because he thinks that he trusts his gut more than the experts and guess what it worked for him last time. So you can understand it even if you disagree with it. So, another kind of side show. Is the Jerry Foul junior sex scandal people may know he's hanging by a thread is running liberty university. He was one of the early endorses of trump. He's a big guy among White Christian Evangelical. Now. He's in this mess where he's posing with his pants opened with a woman with her pants open the wife is allegedly having an affair with a guide. Twenty. Twenty year old guy and he was supposedly watching in the corner made it gets pretty pretty wild stuff. Does this matter again I mean he's got a huge following among Christian evangelicals White Christian Evangelical Black Christian jackals. This just just just just more staffers. IMPACT, anything in any, way It's an interesting question number one impact. It does impact this convention because if Mr Falwell not in such trouble at the moment, you would bet that he would at least have some sort of a speaking role because he's been so loyal to the president because that basis. So important to the president. So I talk a lot about this is the race on the Margins Hillary Clinton wins the popular vote by a significant margin donald trump gets elected to the electoral college why but we could debate. That a number of ways working class white people turned up for the president in high numbers Hillary Clinton's numbers and African American turnout in total was down from two thousand and eight and two, thousand, twelve in two, thousand, sixteen. So you can look at Detroit you can look at Milwaukee you can look at Philadelphia and you could say higher black turn out you know Hillary Clinton might have won those states lower white working class or at least working white working class moving over to trump. Well, so then add evangelical into that. I don't know the impact. Marjorie. But if the turnout is down a little bit in places if they are discouraged or if they see hypocrisy here. I do think it can make a difference I you look at there's a Guy Pete Wehner who used to work for bill, Bennett worked in the George W Bush administration rights law for the Atlantic and right to not bet piece in the New York Times. Every now and then someone are watched very closely evangelical conservative. WHO's a policy guy and he's one of the people who've been sort of disgusted with trump from the beginning and just disgusted with some of the quote Unquote Establishment Evangelical leaders like Falwell who just uses hypocrites? And so there's a debate. Every piece of our society is in a debate right now because so much is in transition some of it's generational some of its ideological, some of it's financial, some of its trump centric everything's in a debate right now. So in a place where you know the Evangelical turnout could be critical in Ohio Virginia's not it's competitive used to be anymore. That used to be critical in Virginia. I could pick a few other states, North Carolina, for example. So if there's just a slight depression of the vote or defection of the voter apathy less activity turning I, using your church network to identify voters registered voters tournament, it could make a difference. Will it I don't know, but it's one of the things on my list to watch. John when you're on with US last week, we were asking about the US Postal. Service, that was when we were anticipating joy testimony on Capitol Hill, that has now happened to you. You mentioned remember remember you describe this as government working government swung into action we really brought to the fore what was happening with the United States Postal Service slowing down the removal of sorting machines in boxes The postmaster general has said that he would not restore those but but he won't continue with his cuts. So how much of the tide has been stemmed here as we wonder I wonder how this is going to play out with mail in voting. This fall. This is definitely a tale of two countries in the sense that if you listen to. South he's zone Stevie Lynch. Go after Mr Detroit at that hearing Wow, right. He peel the skin off. And Message Joyce was indignant at it and said, you know I didn't write the letters you're talking about they were done by the system there. This was already in place. This is normal behavior. We're not doing anything nefarious. So this is definitely you know it is a parallel universe what the Democrats say about the Post Office and what Mr Joyce about the post office so I. Do think it served this purpose. It has put this front and Center it is a lot of pressure on Mr Joy to be more transparent and to turn over some documents about the thought process inside the postal service and it has forced him to free some of these practices. You're right he said he won't put the sorting machines back in but now Democrats going GonNa. Watch very closely on the overtime question on the he joy says that there with a blip, but he blames it largely on a transition and be corona virus issues people being sick at you know workforce issues to the summer delays in the mail service he he blames on that Democrats blame on him coming in and mid June. So I think we'll have to watch this. I will say this if nothing else it has given a national profile to this issue, and if you're out there listening in anywhere, New England where you can hear my voice or if you're listening on the Internet and anywhere in America if you don't know now that if you plan to vote by mail, you need as they said, repeatedly during the Democratic convention you need to plan. That you need to know the deadlines you need to be proactive. You need to mail your ballot or drop it off early at a ballot box. I do think it has helped the Democrats elevate the issue dramatically and frankly Republicans think that's what this is all about from the Gecko they think that at a minimum, the Democrats are exaggerating a some some Republicans say fabricating. I don't think it's a fabrication I think there are legitimate questions here. Might the Democrats also be exaggerating or turn turn up the on those questions to get people's attention to motivate them to vote I would not discount that possibility at all we are in an election year. Okay John King. Thank you very much. I. Hope you get some sleep this week. Ever. NAP waiting ten weeks. Right, talk soon. Thank you so much. John King joins US every week. He's CNN's chief national correspondent anchor of inside politics, which you can catch weekdays and Sunday Mornings at eight o'clock. Well, coming up. If you wondered what life without zoom would be like we got a glimpse of a yesterday when there was a nationwide zoom meltdown for taking your calls asking, did you have a meltdown to we may have here accustomed public radio that's next on eighty nine seven. Austin public radio. Welcome back to Boston Public Radio Giant Bowen is in for Jim Brown before we get to zooms meltdown yesterday what want to give you an update on what Governor Baker had to say today about Corona Virus and thanks to my colleague Zoe Matthews for taking notes the governor said total tests days are over. Total tests have a increase slightly positive test rate is down the seven day average is now at one point one percent. Lieutenant. Governor Pluto is said they're launching this ad campaign with two million dollars from the office of Travel and tourism an alternative housing and economic development to support a local shopping. For this, we're having a sales tax holiday this weekend. The governor also says his primary focus at this point is colleges reopening says what could probably going to stay? We are on the status of reopening says about fifty percent of kids have come back and he expects to be all over this in terms of checking with the colleges is biggest concern remains unmasked on distance and unmanaged events indoors or outdoors. He says was criticized for saying the biogen was a seminal event. But now we know a new reporting indicates a conference legend twenty, thousand cases of the virus, and he says Haas like Everett Chelsea revere do. Their the reason is close living quarters prevalence of outdoor gatherings without taking precautions, and he says, we need to do much better messaging and communicating and I think that is all the governor had. Oh, he wants Washington to get around with a to a relief package on unemployment and criticized both parties for not getting that done. So. Back to this zoom mess. Six months ago it is true most didn't even know zoom was today like were zoomed up twenty, four seven. It's a basic essential utility and for those of us who didn't realize how dependent we become we learned the hard way yesterday the the nationwide zoom our think it was mostly in the east coast also in the UK, but it was a real problem until mid afternoon and we're taking your calls asking you. Did you survive yesterday's at Zoom outage? How dependent have you become? How much of your work from home or learn from home was schools opening all over the place was up ended. Or to the outage, give a much needed opportunity to opt to opt out the daily zoom call or meeting. Did you find a way? To get away from zoom as a relief or not a seven, seven, three, one, eighty, nine, seventy is the number eight, seven, seven, three, oh one, eight, nine, seven. Oh, or BP PR W. G. B. H. Dot org is the email or you can tweet us at boss public radio why I think it's fair to say judge you and I had nervous breakdown yesterday. because. We look each other during zoom right now what we're doing and you're GonNa ask the question am I gonNa ask the question of like the lifeline and when it was gone. facebook on on our phone facetime rather on our phone, and you didn't have any battery left in your phone. Wasn't that a nice little surprise you use facetime for five minutes and you suddenly drains your battery down to two percent and then I, see you again. Honestly zoom the way we use. It feels like you're just here with me. Yeah. It does it doesn't feel like you're in another room. Now there's no lapse in the audio people here everything just as it was that was terrible. I'll let me back up and say this I think this is also pretty scary because we have put all of our eggs in the big zoom basket right and it's interesting to use that word utility in your intro because it kind of is now we are all relying on this. So we now understand the ramifications of zoom goes down especially as we understand that all of these schools were using it as they start to open. Up In colleges and and as we discovered yesterday, we didn't really have a very effective alternative with my phone with three percent charged trying to face time you and so we just realized how quickly we have become so reliant on the technology and the schools can you imagine especially if you I feel so terrible for these parents home with little kids you know and they're looking forward to the zoom lessons and they're looking forward to. Having any kind of interaction on the computer for the kids so they can try to get some worked on their whole day is thrown into chaos me and the kids can't do zoom. They can't do zoom with the office is just is just kind of a mess. I mean a lot of people say they're sick of zoom but but I don't know zoom has been very easy to use and most of the time it does work I think they've gone from. Hasn't there. Their usage is going absolutely through the roof and the corona virus has gone way way up so. What do you think is a good thing a bad thing did you get through the day? To Jude also have a nervous breakdown and you're the one good thing about not having zoom is I feel an obligation to brush my hair and put my makeup. Look, like tires. On your lipstick, always, I always have my Nydia lip gloss right right at hand and I use it. I used it all the time I don't look terrible on zoom. So I suppose that's one good thing but mostly I think we've become dependent on it very quickly. Well, we because we think it also shows us how much we on. Human. Cues. You can't just have a phone call you need to you need to understand facial expressions. It's about tone that you read that you can't necessarily pick up although I was listening hard to yesterday when I couldn't see you figure out quite you're saying and what you wanted to do next I. Number is eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine, seven. What it mean to you what did yesterday me when zoom was out for almost all the morning at least part of the afternoon did you survive us go I a Pamela in Lexington? How to go for you? Pamela. Well Marjorie my daughter is a freshman first day of her college career with starting yesterday at brooms. which she thought she would be in Washington DC at American. University. However, they had announced on July thirtieth please don't bother coming. So that was one more disappointment and. You know disappointment. I was so proud of her that she washed her hair like you said to your point a little makeup on she put a little shirt on and I thought Oh, good. Okay. This is going pretty well, she's ready. She had had breakfast ready for her first government class and she gets an email that says, sorry classes canceled and I was devastated for her because she just said Yeah It's been going this year for me but. I was bad. Yeah. How do you feel about? Do you have to pay the full tuition even though she's not their? Full tuition run board and all that. No Room and board which is. Good. But ten percent off of the tuition bill. So the bill is still quite steep and obviously today there was another class that was canceled due to the professor needing to be a family emergency. So now we're I think we're two for two with. Pamela is I feel so bad for kids. 'cause your daughter's age I, mean it's so tough senior year in high school I mean for some of us that was the highlight. It's all downhill from there. You don't get the senior year. You don't get the first few weeks in college. Good luck. Good luck, and thanks for the call. Pamela. A of that senior year of college had nothing to do with it when you're inside the classroom or in front of the zoom camera anyway right now, it it it. It probably did not. This is from Joseph, who's a high school history teacher, and once he starts using remote classes in his school ws. Google meat is part of the Google classroom. He says imagine what happens as timber fifteenth when all those public school classrooms all hit Google meet at seven thirty am exactly that was the first thought I heard that when. I saw the map somebody had posted a map online about where all of the outages were especially up and down the east coast and you realize it was so focussed around cities or college towns, and you just realize that this this might happen again especially since as you mentioned, I looked up the numbers by the way Marjorie, there were ten million zoom users in two thousand nineteen. Now there are hundreds of millions of people. That's a pretty quick escalation. Absolutely let's go to Donald and Waltham thanks for calling. Donald. High. Well, been around computers for quite a while then starting in eighty five when we had something called token rate. So Guy. I've been a technology analyst for several years, and I was just on comment like the professor other teachers said, we shouldn't be relying on zoom only disaster recovery plans should have alternatives in it such as Google. skype. Other technologies as well too so that if then goes down, you could at least continue on with your classes during the day. That's a good point, Dallas nothing about computers. But since you do what we all using skype, isn't that what everybody used to talk to their children or grandchildren are significant others across the country or away at college? Wasn't that the big thing? How? comes. Quickly overtook it or has it. name-brand. They just done a really good job with marketing their name out there and we're the ones that go. For your meeting and if anybody wants to know more about online meeting tools and everything, there's a great website that use whole time called seen. Any DOT com. Thank you. Okay. So if I go there, I'll find all these different places to do. Alternatives to zoom is that what you're telling? Me Donald. Right they they have a really good round up of alternative tools to you. So you could say that you're interested in zoom, but you WanNa know about the others as well, and you can pick what your disaster recovery clan. Should entail for your alternatives should Zun go. Thank you very much for the call Dr. we're talking about zoom and the fact that it went down for significant. Hours yesterday I think it was from early in the morning till about one o'clock in the afternoon and it was significantly bad on the east coast and in great. Britain. So how did you survive without zoom a glad you didn't have to put up with it for one day or was it just devastating to your number's eight, seven, seven, three, oh, one, eight, nine, seven, and the email is BP. At W. G. B. H.. Dot. Org I. Mean. I think we have become dominated good point about the marketing of Zoom. Zoom cocktail parties, zoom weddings, I've. Eater Zoom theory. That's right. Didn't you have something to do with Zoom Theater Jit. Covered a Natasha verse state versus Natasha Benigno, which is alive play presented on zoom. We've all adopted it and but none of us with as Donald just mentioned we have lots of meetings you know to plan for our our workflow real meetings. We've never had a disaster recovery plan which I guess we'll have to. The Knicks. Now going forward for the next time, this happens which probably will well the everything I read the Women's sports pages, every Sunday otherwise known as the wedding section of the New York Times. It's really fun especially now to see what people are doing during their weddings and it is amazing. How many people have done the zoom deal with a have like eight people or ten people? Those. Days to interrupt you. You didn't zoom wedding did zoom wedding. How wasn't my wedding just to be? Clear. Okay, it was really nice. Actually it was it was very well shot. It was very fun to it was it was very sweet when you could see all of the other people were there with you. Eight hundred, nine, seven, three, hundred, eighty, nine, seventy is the number. What are you doing about? Zoom it being gone let's go to Steve who is on Cape. Cod High Steve. Marjorie how? I'm good. How are you? I'm good. So I know a lot about this streaming business because I'm in it. Is a matter of fact that was a CBS was I during the Boston market really. Doing their for doing their first streams or. The radio side back in two, thousand and five. Wow. So I know this this I know this business pretty well. So. Give us some advice. What do we do? Use, your phones. Okay. So I guess you're not fan. You. GotTa you gotTa. Keep it going to be outages because of the server capacity. Yeah. Because Network Capacity Yup all to do with the infrastructure, and if the amount of the end with that is going through these tights can't be supported by the the infrastructure by the servers. Then you're going to have what happened yesterday on zoom. Now, there are ways to do that but when you do it from from one one computer to another. From one person to another without some sort of upper in between. Does all kinds of security issues and delivery issues that will happen for you have to you know I just really say this is what you're going to have to get used to society I mean I. Have My own streaming platforms. It works works for some people were brothers however I see you know it's. Use Your phone call is our phones. Okay Steve. Wise words for the end of the show. Thank you very much for the call year that jared use your phones. We did use our phones, but you didn't have any battery in your phone. So that's Charged phone used your charming. Start Hey. Thanks, Chad. Thank you. Thank you for listening to another edition of Boston public radio. You can tune in tomorrow for medical ethicist art, Caplan Juliette Cam and trump advisor Corey Lewandowski on the R. N.. C. Night to our to our crew is Chelsea murs Arjun Singh Zoe Matthews Hammer you believe and aiden Conley our engineer is John The club Harker her offsite engineers are miles, smith and Dave gold seen. To on vacation so I won't ask what's on the show tonight Adam. Riley is doing greater Boston for Jam and I'm sure he's doing able jobs you can tune in. You can still see Greater Boston at seven o'clock but Jim is off Adam rallies and so thanks again Chad fulfilling in and I'm really glad we have a nice calm. Day to day on zoom and not like nervous breakdown day like yesterday. Thanks a lot. We earned it. I'm der Bellen I'm Marie can thanks again for Tuning in please join again tomorrow and have a great day.

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BPR Full Show 10/20/20: Votes of Confidence

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BPR Full Show 10/20/20: Votes of Confidence

"Support for Boston, public radio comes from CIC health providing routine covid, nineteen testing solutions that help make work school and life safer. You can visit CIC DASH HEALTH DOT COM to learn more. Head on Boston Public Radio State. Legislators extended this session in urgent hopes to pass legislation of police reform. quickly, that was in July. Now, it looks like they're unfinished work will be passed election. Cow Rose Executive Director of the Civil Liberties Union Massachusetts join us in just a few minutes to discuss the need for action on policing abortion access and more man mighty wash signed onto broad police perform proposals from Boston from a task force spent months examinations oldest police department. The forms include trading an independent police watchdog office expanding the officer body camera program, and changing the department's use of force policies. But to get those changes, the city knees buying for the Unions Boston Police Traumas Association President Larry Calderoni joins US ahead I'm Boston public radio eighty, nine, seven, GP H. Listened to eighty nine seven Gbh Boston public radio. Good one. Jim Good Morning Marguerite. So if you have pandemic fatigue brace yourself because you could soon be having pandemic fatigue fatigue. The rise in the corona virus has retailers bracing for another season of panic buying him seen in globe this morning with some expecting shortages of shelter in place staples around Thanksgiving and throughout the holiday season. This is just another reminder that as a society we are totally blowing we're heading. In the wrong direction at the worst time possible is colder weather and more time indoors will only make the pandemic work worse over the past week I'm assuming you know this US racked up an average of about fifty one thousand new cases a day. The number of new infections rose in thirty eight states spanning every region of the country, Montana, new, Mexico, and South Dakota, also, they're all saw their case count's rise by over fifty percent or opening lines asking you. How do we get it? So wrong at eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy in May all fifty states started reopening some capacity move that time had public health officials on edge. Now, we're seeing the consequences of that remote learning more than two hundred, thousand dead. And possibly another paper towel shortage eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine, seventy. Put it. Another way. Is there anything you wish you had done differently over the last few months to keep the curve flatten or just blame the surge on a president who's been defying all corona virus public health guidelines even Getting it himself you heard that guy from the University of Minnesota the guy, ed? Their. Infectious Disease Program Oster home say longer yesterday the next six to twelve weeks are going to be the darkest period of them all of vis-a-vis, the corona. that. was very encouraging. Made me very happy. You know the backdrop for this by the way I wanNA focus on US rather than Donald Trump, but having said that Talk about. How do I put this Moron I assume you heard this coverage of the campaign called the president new by the way the reporters were listening in smearing his own corona virus adviser and the most trusted person in America on this issue Dr Anthony Fauci. Diet of hearing, south she and all these idiots. Who these people, these people that have gotten it wrong. Having television. There's always a bomb but the bigger bomb of your firearm. Asked I. This guy is if I listened to him, we have five hundred thousand. A disaster idiot the most trusted personal in America and it's everyone said last night. What did trump do this because it surely does not help his reelection chances in light of the fact that he's losing primarily because of the corona vars now. Is because found, she had a star turn on sixty minutes on Sunday night and criticize the president. How dare he eight? Seven seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy we want to know if you blame yourself or we should blame ourselves in part for this this horrible fall that appears to be ahead of us unless we get our act together. Well I'll tell you one thing I. Wish I had bigger basement because there's not enough room for paper towels short paper. To. Paper they say a problem just paper towels. Well, you know what else is going to be is is weird how you go into the stores and certain things kind of missing the. Unexpected you know what I mean. You walk up and suddenly there's no. Spaghetti sauce. Issues. I know I know what it's GonNa. Didn't. You think that was one and done kind of thing. The notion that again to quote author, he's not alone that the fall could be and will likely be two trends continue the worst period on the corona virus of always experienced. Can the American people get any DUMBER G here? This person interviewed I. Think it was on CNN last night a woman who does not wear mass she's either to trump rally in Nevada I. Forget where it was and the interviewer says the president said you should wear a mask. Would you know what she said of course I would so. meaning. You know it's good but it's only good. If the president I'd say who got corona virus because of his irresponsible behavior is going to gives you the sign off I mean really. But, again, I think we said over and over again, we're in two different universes. In terms of unusal you have people that listen to so-called trump media, which is repeating what the President says that we don't have to worry about mass at mass don't necessarily help you remember he was running around all last week misrepresenting you did it in the in the debate actually with Savannah Guthrie and she tried. To correct him then eighty five percent of people that wear masks and wind up with coronavirus that wasn't what the study said at all. So you hear those things over and over again and you have people's facebook fees and Fox News and rush limbaugh etc Pierre these things. So I think there are a lot of people who are obviously distrustful of the media and are living in an alternative universe of. Where facts turn okay I hit it all the time and you're probably right and the leader of the charges the president United States the president I'd states followed no guidelines and what happened to the president of the United States he was taken to the hospital seeing don't need to be a medical school graduate to understand that the guys zone advice doesn't work Jim, the present the president's quick and rather in amazing recovery. He's seventy four years old. He's he's a heavy guy talks about eating cheeseburgers. All the time doesn't exercise and yet he had like a incredible retired for he looks as strong and as healthy as ever. So I think the people that are in his school is a hey, look at him. He said it's no worse than the flu is no worse than the flu. Now it's amazing to me that people who have friends and family members or themselves that found it was were much worse than the flu if you do get sick and there are some very lucky people. And it is. In many ways to do with luck I mean I know there are pre existing conditions asthma et cetera or being heavy in that kind of stuff which almost air. But there are some very talked about a million times here some very healthy young athletes visual and athletes that got the virus and quite sick didn't recover that well, that the president was incredibly lucky also got better healthcare. The most had his oxygen checked I don't know every fifteen minutes. Do you think to make sure it wasn't going down but in any case I think he his his really quite amazing recovery played into that narrative. Okay. So last thing and then we'll get your calls eight, seven, seven, three, hundred, eighty, nine. So I, drove by the it's called the breakfast club the diner on Western Avenue. It's a great diner I think it's. I drove by Saturday morning they're about forty people mostly something standing outside I'd say a quarter of them didn't have masks on and those who did have a mask on were standing shoulder to shoulder with the person in front of them in line are they all trump supporters? Do you think they all Fox News Washington Allston? I blame a lot I. I've said from the beginning I think we should enforce this mask thing I. Think the governor. I. Think Mayors have been kind of wimpy about this. I mean it is incredible that you know that mass can can. Stop or at least delay or mitigate the spread, and do we do anything about this? How long have you been talking about Boston where you're walking around you know and love on Fox News country. Not Fox News. Well. I don't really know what People People Watch in South Boston but I guess the point is we haven't enforced it and I I'm always surprised. How why not? Struck red t shirt and a red t-shirt with spread of disease that might kill you probably won't. But it could or might make you very sick and everybody ran around red t-shirts we wouldn't do anything. That's what we've done with this virus. We haven't done anything to enforce and to ensure the health of of all of us and our neighbors. Laura in cohasset. You're next on I actually I'm Boston public radio. Thanks going in. Hi. Hi How are you? Good. Good. Everyone you ask the question at first what have we done wrong and I think the answer is everything I. Happen to be coming from a Kobe test right now because. I had a medical emergency last week I was in an ambulance and the the MTA was not wearing a mess chooses. Yeah. In My town they're nice. Little Nice big. posters in each store that show you know a cop wearing a mouse go. This is what you should do. But then when you drive pass them on the streets, they're not wearing them. And a good point. I and there was a point that you made Marjorie. I'm sorry I forget it but I think our problem as a nation is that we're spoiled rotten and we cannot be told what to do. And people are fighting the mask mandate for the sake of fighting it. For the sake of not being told. that. They can't have something that they want I think that's Laura. Thanks for the call. We hope you're better that I think that's part of it unfortunately, but it's unacceptably part of show your resistance. Behaviors in other kinds of settings. There's also this this Weird Macho thing here that somehow you know you're a big tough guy. You don't need a mask because you won't get current a virus and even if you to, you'll be fine I mean think about this the governor in South Dakota. Allowed how many thousands of motorcycle guys just. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars. The CODA with no mass hang around bars every night and we know what happened there. It was a super spreader event and other people and you know the other thing is shop. It's not just about you. It's about your coming home and infecting your mother or your father or your grandparents or your crazy old uncle or something to selfishness is kind of surprising to me to. Angela by. Thank you for calling. Hi I really appreciate what you just said Marjorie about the selfishness it's something that really really frustrates me but I originally called into his I work for a major hospital system and I was redeployed three different assignments in Covet, and the thing that I would say is the biggest cause is just health disparities in general obviously a bigger issue than I can get into like thirty seconds. But the fact that some people have access and maybe that kind of feeds them to into them, feeling safer and more entitled and other people do not end up paying the price. Not, GONNA. Continue regardless of foods and office for a long time. Well. I. Hope I said Great. Great to Angela because I do think that that that Kobe has has impacted. Poor people, people of color people who don't have. As you just said, great health access there's a certain arrogance. So most among people that are that are. You know are living in Nice suburbs and do have healthcare that those people disease don't just the suburbs Angeles old how about the president when he gets treatment under a compassionate use thing because he's the president had states says, it's available everybody down again feeds your notion the president saying what I had even though I happen to be is available to all of you and so I get sick as you have this. By. The way the art caplan has to explain us how this Doctor Atlas who tweeted until was pulled down wear masks. No. In capital letters house, he not lost his medical license. Immunity guys whereas trump calls herd mentality herd immunity no mass I mean. This is the chief advisor to the president of the United States. Medical on. The do no harm thing whatever the hell it is putting people at risk hippocratic oath. Anyway we are talking about the search coronavirus cases ask you where we went wrong going to keep talking about that eighty nine, seventy B. H. Boston on the grail. To. Boston Public Radio Marge Regan Jim Brad. If you're just tuning in, we're talking about the rise in coronavirus virus cases everywhere including here in Massachusetts and in another sign, this isn't going away anytime soon, retailers are bracing for another wave of panic shopping. We're taking your ask your calls asking you. Have you seen the anime and is it us? It's easy to blame Donald Trump and this pathetic Dr Atlas on whom he relies, but we don't have to listen to them. We can listen th Anthony FAUCI. You can listen to people actually know what they're carrying about and care about our health and too many of us have decided not to. Have you noticed the resemblance between Dr Atlas and they late Jack Kevorkian. Actually I been like I have similar note Kevorkian. Wanted to help people. That's the difference he did. He wanted to help people but he helped people. And their lives and There was something a little kind of you know maybe not so up but his goal was the help people his. Goal I would argue is not for you know I don't mean obsess on this but for a doctor who has the power over the president that he has to tweet wear masks question mark no in capital letters really really seven months into this. I feel really bad for for for right after the president was diagnosed notice it more got people the military people that green gets in and out of the Air Force One or the helicopter divides in. The Secret Service around him had NASONS. Notice lady in the late Lee excuse me in the rallies secret service have not been wearing masks and they're right in front of. Groups of hundreds if not thousands of people without mass. Oh I wonder if they want that or if they're told, they can't more maybe one of those things where you don't even have to be told I think the message Alah Margot Cohen's urgent. Servicemen. A lot of our have spouses and they have children agree inlaws and I mean. What do they do have to? Sleep in the garage she gets sick and. Drew Pepper, you're next on Boston bulb radio. Thanks going I. Guys How's it going? Good. I. GotTa. Tell You as a frontline responder that been around. For? About a decade doing this job, I agree with a lot of your callers to say you know you gotta take it from military perspective too is that I'm not looking at everybody where we have you know sixty percent of the country that believes Dr Fallacy forty percent of the country in a country that has over three hundred and fifty million people is a large percentage of failures, and that alone is enough to spread this I around a lot of people that. Don't believe it none of them that are you know my close friends I just you know, I, see around when I go to calls and people refused to put masks on and I think the person that came across the best so far in public light was bill Burr on Saturday night live what you don't WanNa do you're going to get somebody killed and and? It's unfortunate to see but can't just blame the president or his staff because the majority of our adults and you know at some point in time. You know we have to accept responsibility not just far south up. That's my baby. You guys have a great day to and and by the way. Bill. BURR was great bill burs local guys who was the host of the southern live was just he was fabulous. Part of it is I think that there's a reluctance. Others to tell people what to do like if you have the your handyman come over you know and he's not wearing a mask. Feel. I you know as. Well I'm sure you don't breath a lot of people do or they're in close situations. Inside with friends and family, and maybe they haven't seen X. Family member for wanted not sure what that history today make X. Family member. PUT, on a mass loss people loath to do that kind of you know you don't have to be cruel to someone to say I'd really prefer it put a mask. I have an extra one here. If you they get the message and frankly after being polite, they say, no, then they don't belong in your presence martyr they don't they're putting you at risk and people you care about it risk. It's just it's unacceptable two hundred and twenty thousand dead people in this country and they are the belief is we're GonNa hit four hundred thousand by the end of the year unless people start wearing masks. Let's go to Diana in Rhode Island. Thank you for calling. Diana Fargo. Yes Hi I, love your show I listen to you all the time. I just wanted to say that I feel that number one, the president absolutely sets the tone and if he had approach this differently I think things would be different number two we are the American people are a bunch of selfish entitled little crybabies who don't want any freedom taken away and we are responsible as well. that. That's true I. Think you're right on both counts, Diana? Thank you. For the for the call, you know it's sort of what are you gonNA say? I was just thinking this isn't quite related, but I, I was Michael Steele former head of the Republican Party. My He's a commentator. Now on different shows, he was talking about he's a lifelong Republican remains Republicans voting for Joe Biden he was explaining. What do you say Michael Steele when your friends say? Hey. Look at my 401k look at my taxes and he was saying you know you look at what this president onto democracy is. Is that a legitimate thing to say to your children that you voted for him because you're 401k's better even though some cases it's not better now after the coronavirus but he was talking addressing the kind of selfishness that that greed and selfishness have not we kind of accepted those okay virtues well, just. Sound, we played essentially if you're right and the the the caller is right and I assume many of our listeners who believe that whatever the president says his supporters will do even if it's an thankful to their own health and wellbeing yesterday with two weeks ago as the coronavirus virus numbers are exploding. He does another one of those. We're turning the corner which we clearly or not, and then he goes out of his way to savage the only person who the American people totally trust and by the way going back to the prior caller ahead to tend to his kid, it's actually higher than the number of people who Oppose Donald Trump many people who support donald trump in that forty percent also trust? Anthony FAUCI and he went out of his way to trash him why? Because he was jealous that Anthony found she got positive press on sixty minutes and he's been criticized. So he's willing to put the American public health, of course. I. Think that's what it was about because he he was starved worse on Sunday night and criticized the edge. He said when he saw on television that that the super spreader event, the conybeare nomination thing. Do it was going to be trouble. Remind Gloucester. Welcome. Hi. Hello, Maryan I ain't. I. Yeah. Next talk to you I just had my first Kobe test just now. Oh, here in Gloucester they're doing free tests up at stage Fort, park, and it went really quick. The Lonzo last week was really long. But right now it was quick and I feel good that I finally got around to it but anyways I think. We all need to wear more mass. I think last week I think you had a conversation about Jennifer. Sarah and the other guests that he the other your other guest accused trump of being a mass murderer. Jennifer has tried to admonish him I don't agree with her admonishment of him. I agree with him trump is a mass murderer should be tried for treason for crimes against humanity the International. Criminal Court which we've supposedly getting out of He should be tried on that court and all his all his cronies going along with him. All these supposed people that had taken the hippocratic oath that are not going along with it. I think they are mass murderers similar to the way George W. Bush was a mass murderer getting us into the Iraq war on lies. What do you think well? I've quoted Carl Bernstein. I don't know if I use that language but when Carl Bernstein of Woodward and Bernstein famous said repeatedly fees homicide elax by the president and his sycophantic AIDS I mean the facts are what the facts are. He is giving advice that is leading to deaths. That's the definition of. What we're describing and it is a horrible horrible thing remark. Thank you for your call is always repre- show. Okay. Coming up the ACLU's CAP. The ACLU'S COWL rose joins us on nine seven Gbh. Looking back to Boston Public Radio Jim Brady in Madrid on Beacon Hill. Lawmakers are stolen on police reform legislation actually on all legislation. This spring court soon will skew further. The Right Roe v Wade is at stake in these issues and others can be influenced by right to vote and we're not even sure how secure that is these days join us line talk about it. All is cow Rochas executive director of the Civil Liberties Union, of Massachusetts Hey there. Carol. Good to hear you all. Great to talk to you count rose so many Americans are concerned about Balan voting absentee ballots that there could be some shenanigans. Or just people throwing out ballots for a tiny fractions well, Supreme Court just let stand this ruling by the high. Court in Pennsylvania that let election officials there in Pennsylvania's of course, very close state in this election that allow election officials to count some mail in ballots that were received update three days after the election and it's significant particularly because the vote by the United States Supreme Court was four two four. For Conservatives Roberts to end. The liberals. Coney is likely to be on the Supreme Court very soon and. You would guess by her previous writings and rulings that you'd be the conservative with the Conservatives. You know how worried are you about this going forward in terms of voting rights and a lot of other rights. While you know it's such an important question and I think it's top of mind for everyone and you know the ACLU is a nonpartisan organization but voting rights is one of our highest priority issues. So as we've watched across the country politicians really playing politics with people's lives instead of enacting commonsense measures around voting The ACLU we've had like twenty seven legal victories already in twenty different states and I think Puerto Rico. So I mean we're out there on. The barricades finding all the time and here in Massachusetts they can sure you're not facing some of these dilemmas because we worked with the legislature was secretary of State Galvin's office to make sure that people can vote safely and and have an opportunity to exercise their franchise here But to the larger question over the court I mean that's exactly right. Because the the court basically was tied on this with you know Thomas Alito Gorsuch and Cavanaugh on one side. saying that they wanted to intervene into into overturned the Pennsylvania? Supreme. Court's decision that you could vote ballot. The count ballots were received as long as it appeared that they were postmark before Election Day and then on the other side, we're chiefs up to three, and then the three liberals Brier Sotomayor Kagan. So that just shows that the court right now hangs in a very precarious balance and you know the the confirmation hearings for any Coenen Barrett Are Or have already happened and we're likely to have a vote this week. So that's going to shift things around voting rights and a lot of other civil rights. Civil Liberties for a long time I wanNA leave this because we have so much else but I just want to say before we do move on is that we all know that the president said the reason he needs Barrett confirmed before November third is because they're going to decide the election and You Know Marjorie I. Think you've framed it perfectly and so did you carol if she sides with the four conservatives or had yesterday that could have thrown and could throw Pennsylvania for example, to Donald Trump through this legal voter suppression of it's not oxymoronic but we'll get back to that. You Know Carol. We're GONNA talk to you in a minute about the legislature doing nothing. Other than what they're allegedly doing behind closed doors. But Boston did act the task force appointed by the mayor came back. He embraced all of their recommendations at one hundred eighty days to implement. The bad news is that needs some legislative action on civil service needs some buy in from the Union. In fact, Larry Calderoni to his credit is going to be joining us in a little bit. The President of the Patrolman's Association Boston talk about it What are the odds of anything? Controversial of. Becoming any more real than they did after. The Twenty fifteen task force. Well. Exactly right the proof in the pudding. I think it's wonderful that the mayor and their task force have announced that they're going to take on these important and significant reforms but. They have to actually then. Because how many taskforce's was it? This is the third. I believe were. Has. Come up with recommendations and in the past the it's a PR move but then her so actual action so I think you know the trust but verify of. The tournament breaking used to us but the Russians you know and I think what we need to do is to say, great, we're delighted that there's a recognition on the part of both the police can assure and the city and the unions that the status quo is unacceptable and I think that is an important. Acknowledgement but now it's not enough to have words put on paper. We have to actually see actions being implemented on civil service we need to also in the legislature passed licensure police. So the police are held accountable and I know that that good police officers lot hold badly officers accountable. So we shouldn't see any opposition to that from the unions I. Think we want to change to use of force just last weekend when there. Was a two competing protesters are group's on the Boston Common, and there was a lot of indiscriminate use the things like tear gas and pepper spray that we've seen in the past. So it does happen here and then we finally need to see changes or unqualified immunity. Basically, police officers shouldn't be no one should be above the law and that includes police officer. So someone's rights are violated they should be able to have their day in court. That we're pushing for a giant represent the qualified immunity on the state level, and we'll talk about that in a second state level, but just staying on in Boston for a minute. I don't want to guess where the president of the Union Calderoni his greatest concern is, but I think it's pretty obvious. It's around this independent oversight group that'd be outside the police department was subpoena power. What would you say to him if you were with us in an hour in terms of why that's in the interest of his? People not contrary to their interest. Well I'm GonNa say I, said just this minute ago get a good police officers want to hold the officers accountable number one, number two I think it's incredibly important that the community trust police officers you know just for example, just on a related matter there's push to sort of say we're going to have people injured allowing the US attorney putting together what he's calling a civil rights course to make sure people are protected at the poll. But if people are afraid of the police, they might not go to the polls right so we need to have a system that ensures that when people believe their rights. Are violated they have mechanisms and more than one by which they can go into hold police officers, accountable and right now we don't have that the the amazing series of scandal by bouncing chooses sits lease at the globe has been covering for example, It just boggles the mind that we think that somehow it doesn't happen here it does happen here people's rights are violated by police and that violates trust. So for good police officers who wants to have community based leasing and to restore trust in the police, they should want these accountability mechanism because the alternative is that we continue to have. People's rights being violated and distrust in the police comes, and then they can't do their jobs and public safety suffers you do want to talk about that. We both want to talk about the what's going to legislative with us just said, it does happen here isn't that the name of your new campaign is that? Okay. So can you very clever on your part by the way? Can you tell us the thing that I'm most interested in tell us about this interactive map that you're creating? Yeah. Police misconduct. How does that work? So I'm so excited about this. So yes, it's the you a few years ago. We launched our data for Justice Project and What we've been doing is we work data scientists to look at information in the public arena data that's available and then we create maps and ways of digitizing things making available to journalists to the public, not the underlying data that the also we presented in a way that's usable. So at least created. It can happen here, map at the ACLU DOT org people can go and find it and add to it. It's interactive and what we've done is to go back through public reports of police misconduct whether it's violence or other ones this conduct and we've put it into a map and you can see it's all across Massachusetts but it does happen here, and then we invite people who believe that their rights have been violated to add to the map. and to contact ACLU and to find out if they have something to report because we've been running into this whenever there's an effort to have any kind of reform of the police, we get this narrative were more educated in Massachusetts, World Blue State it doesn't happen here. We don't have racism and that's just not true and for people who are who've lived experience has been that they have in fact that is the police here it feels. Really invalidating to have that the public narrative and so what we're trying to do part of just changing the public narrative both for lawmakers for police commissioners for unions It's actually it does happen here we all have a responsibility to make it stop and to hold police accountable, and that's true at the city level and that's truth state level as well. What's the website trying to find girl? Thank you a. l., U. M. Dot Org. Stupid Stop Work. On. For the it can happen here, mouth and little picture. We're talking to the ACLU'S CAL Rosen keep talking to rapids freak break in eighty, nine, seven GP. But W. G. B. H. boss. Looking back to Boston public radio, Jim Brady, and Regan Margaret. Marjory, just sadly, right for the break said W. G. B. H.. She's just GONNA pay cuts result. If you're just tuning in, we're talking to cower rose executive director of the ACLU of Massachusetts on Gbh I should say. So Cal Rose Jim mentioned before the legislature is way behind. This seems to be a theme that we return to hear after year after year. One of the things have not acted on this year is the Ro-, act explain to people what it is with the nomination of Ami Carney Barrett coming to the United States court. Concerned about row being rated with tear and where is it at? Yeah. So I'm so glad you raised the whole question I. It was such a heavy week for those of us at the. ACLU. Justice Ginsburg was the founder of the ACO women's rights project. leading people to see to believe that working here leads to Supreme Court justice position is back not true as a general. Exception the proved that rule but perhaps in the been anyway. But she of course was a huge champion women's rights and reproductive freedom. And always spoke about how medically unnecessary barriers undermine the legal right to abortion and actually disproportionately harm people who are already vulnerable and for those of us of a certain age remember before row you know that. Getting rid of row. or saying abortion isn't can't be medically available doesn't make it go away just makes a dangerous ARA and so what we have here in Massachusetts with the row act is really an acknowledgement says, the action is going to move to the states and that for real beacons of liberty like Massachusetts often is around these issues we need to be at the forefront. It would sure that not only are we protecting access abortion for actually strengthening that access. So the row act, which is to put in safeguards for young people who are seeking abortion care by saying that there's access to Massachusetts residents who are eligible for mass health coverage and also really importantly is access to abortion for people who are pregnant after twenty four weeks who who the fetus has a fatal fetal anomalies. In other words the there's no viability that child if it were take even is taken to full term would die. And the that we would commandeer a person's body and make them carry. A fetus to full-term that has no chance of living. So these are wanted children. It's just shameful and right now in order if that happens and a woman in Massachusetts is in that circumstance, they're forced to go to other states right a lot of the apparently go to Colorado but the cost in the tens of thousands of dollars for the travel and the the medical care out of state, and of course Kovic you. Can't even get there and so these are really common sense access procedures but but symbolically, passages row accents a message but Massachusetts is a beacon of liberty that Massachusetts is a free state and so whatever happens in the rest of the country we Massachusetts are GonNa make sure that we have active to their personal bodily autonomy to their economic features and their decisions about their own medical care remain safe free. Real exotic mean, is it going to happen on Beacon Hill and Baker? Governor bigger to sign it if it does happen the legislature I hope. So because I'll tell you first of all I think they're my understanding is that we have until November twelfth the right after the election that there will be a window to actually pass this release, keep it going until the end of the legislature I. Hope they do because that's what women and Massachusetts want and that's what people want I mean. Stanley's wanted to have fundamental control over their futures, and if we don't especially at this time right now at the economics of our Commonwealth in our nation or so precarious the notion that the state could force you. To carry a child to term is unconscionable as the question of privacy and medical. Care and also as a matter of equality and not to Ruth Bader Ginsburg was all about and so I think that it's incumbent upon the leaders in the Massachusetts legislature and governor Baker to recognize that well, however, they personally feel about access to abortion it should be up to the individual and their families, and it shouldn't be up to the government to come in and tell you what you can and can't. Do with your body you know I didn't I wasn't aware about this November twelfth date that you mentioned but I know you and your people spend more time with Beacon Hill. So is that a recess state because my understanding is if the legislature decides whether it's on this or police reform that they can actually do something because the election is over so they don't have to worry about protecting the incumbents which is just He's unbelievable but they would postponed. But putting aside for a second. If it's a recess, they that means even legislature. Did you think it should do on abortion? Even if it did you think it should do on police reform if the governor vetoed any of this stuff. The legislature wouldn't be there to override. Correct. Yeah, that's right delay. The delay could essentially eviscerate this whole effort on everything. It's the governor's not on board. Right, and so part of it is like let's make sure that the governor Baker is on board with with the. Common Commonsense reforms and you know and I have to say that the the opponents of this has really which are primarily from the Catholic. Church have primarily been saying that you know this is things like infanticide, but that's not true at all for these late term medically necessary abortions when there's a fatal fetal anomaly up the baby has no office, no chain of viability outside of the womb. So really what we're doing is forcing women in. A really cruel way to carry an unviable pregnancy to term that's just commonsense reform. That's an anti cool teenager and I think if people understood it for what it is which is not in any way a radical move it's a really common sense in in kindness move compassionate move. Then I, think we can get it passed and I think it's it's incumbent upon all of us to talk about it to make sure people understand that that's all it is. I want to be clear here when I said the thing, I just said about vetoes I have no idea where the governor is on. These issues obviously follows on police reform bill I believe he said he's undecided on some of the. And stuff do you have any inside knowledge in our last minute about what's really happening on police reform on Beacon Hill I mean, it is conceivable but actually ever deal and they're just waiting until November fourth to disclose do know where it stands. At all I know is that it's in conference committee that they are unlikely to be bought it before the election but I do not know if they have a dealer and so I think to your point that The notion of legislators being held accountable to the voters I mean that they might that they would move on a before November third but I'm not holding my breath. Count rose. Lawson just always thankful. Carol. Rose joins every month. She's executive director of the ACLU of Massachusetts thanks into cow. Up Next because a different perspective on police reform with officer, Larry Calderoni, he is president of the Boston Police patrolman's association called her on his next on eighty nine seven Gbh Boston public radio. March. I had on Boston Public Radio New frontline documentary investigates whose vote counts and WHO's might not as America chooses next president in the middle of a pandemic amid growing rhetoric from the right not to trust the process at all just a few minutes. 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Creating an independent oversight office with full investigatory in Subpoena Power and expanded departments adoption of body cameras. Last week as you know mayor, Walsh officially accepted all these recommendations officer Larry Calderoni he's head of the Boston's largest police unit did not in an interview with the Boston Globe he said that many of the initiatives are expensive and unnecessary and nothing more than layers of bureaucracy. CALDERONI joins US line to elaborate. He's the president of the Boston Police patrolman's Association Large Calderoni. We really appreciate your time. Thanks for calling. Take Me Jim hello to both module. Thanks are. Anytime thank you for joining us. So as Jim just said, Larry Calderoni the mayor watches embrace these slater proposals and they include Jim said just to repeat them the independent police watchdog office expanding the police departments. Worn Camera. program. Enhancing use of force policies amending civil service rules to allow for hiring preference for Boston high school graduates so. What part of this do you agree with? Let's start with that. We're. All right. Well, the saw by saying that what I've been saying for months. So not only at the state level, but at the city level the Domes Association Boston is not against police reform even though I do see some of the articles and editor oriels that are out there stating otherwise, we're about common sense police reform and we continually we continue to repeat everything. That had been saying for the first time in the history of the organization we sat down with the Black Latino Caucus from Beacon Hill and we talked about common sense police reform bannon show called standardized training and procedures for all police officers increasing diversity, accreditation, and certification due to into being revamping. I. Use of force standards and rules. Whip. We're all about all of those times. So. There's a misconception out there that somehow the union is as usual being vilified that we're impeding any type of reform and that couldn't be further from the truth. So let let's just be clear if we can. There are a couple of items on this list one of which you mentioned one of which you didn't for example, the needs to be civil service reform. Beacon, Hill to allow for some reforms provide greater diversity within the police force, you support those reforms. Do we what those you support the changes in the civil service. Law Larry. Calderoni that would allow for there to be greater diversity in the police source. We support. To give you a yes and no Jim I would have to see the actual land is. The concept of civil service reform to provide more diversity. I support the concept of increasing diversity. Absolutely, not going to comment on changing the Civil Service Law without actually seeing the language but you can. Achieve what the Task Force. Is suggesting around high school graduates in Boston with giving them some preference without adopting the civil service reform. So if you're not for it, then it's not going to happen right? Well No, that's not entirely true. Jim civil service laws don't have to be tweaked to actually increase diversity, and although I do like the concept of city jobs for city kids which is what they're saying by given preference to high school is in Boston but again, I I haven't seen the full language. So are we talking just public high schools in? Boston are we treating some city residents highschoolers and differently than others I mean. You know I have to see the language Dash. Body camera expansion. Larry Calderoni support on. Actually. We do. Again, another misconception out there Jim is that somehow the union again is impeding moving forward and again that is not truthful. So that means for all. Will just be clear that means for a officers overtime who currently don't wear US support them wearing body cameras at all times is that correct? So. I. Don't want to give you a short. Yes. Because I want you to hear my whole answer survey with me for sure. Currently, all Boston police officers in uniform I wearing body cameras the reason why this I don't want. The reason why no one is wearing them on overtime is because Exxon the company that actually manufactures the camera in the battery does not make sixty now battery. So the city has gone out and purchased a second camera to put a second camera on all officers so they have. A battery that lasts a full tour and the reason they need a sixteen hour battery because we're taught four hundred fifty police officers from when I got hired twenty five years ago. So it this story that seems to be out there that the union is impeding moving forward is not true. We're we're in cameras we've had cameras for well over two years. Now, the Mayo was on Dan Rae the other night as well as I was Friday in he and I both agree that we're actually at the bargaining table talking about the second can't. Make no mistake about we're not holding that up the reason, the second cameras needed because we used to have two thousand police officers. Now we have over fifteen hundred we're GONNA and acts on an actual needs to manufacturer battery that lasts sixty now hours because the ordering every man woman police officers on the street to work doubles. So either have to either have to hire more police officers and give them all one camera or you have to spend the money on a second, the second battery, and that's where we are in the city. We're talking officer Larry Calderoni he's the president of the Boston patrolman's Association on. So. Larry Calderoni what you said the globe, your problem mostly is this independent police watchdog office which would have full investigative and subpoena powers, and and before you answer a why object to that, you know the big issue. In Boston that most people have been talking about especially with the black lives matter movement is transparency that many members of the of minority groups don't feel that they know enough about police that had been charged with. Brutality or using tear-gas or chocolates or whatever. So this community Ombudsman Oversight Paled it's there now. Doesn't have any doesn't have any power really. So what is the problem with an independent watchdog group that does have power and subpoena power? So so we have that already much and that's the story that I. M continually trying to get out is that we have an internal affairs department. We have an anti-corruption department we have a district attorney's department. We have a US attorney department and we have all of these boards and panels that oversee I I don't WanNa say police brutality, but let's say violation of rules and regulations or complaints otherwise excessive force etc, and I don't WanNa sit here and try to give. The impression that we don't have bad apples. Well, you've done US Open every. One you have now though, Larry the Community Ombudsman, oversight, panel as you know, does not have subpoena powers and that's a big deal. But? It also has issued a report in three years and went a whole year without even one meeting. So obviously, that's the definition of something that doesn't work Larry Calderoni would you not agree? So I I agree one hundred percent with both you and Marjorie on that topic to one talking about the Ombudsman panel who has not done their job in three years or has not been staffed appropriately in three years that is not the responsibility of the Potomac Association that that falls on city? Hall. If that panels not being staffed if that panels not doing their job, then get a new panel staff it and have them do their job. Well, that's what they're proposing on the that's what else went. Tina powers Sorry. Sorry but into. That's okay. You're actually what they WANNA do is they wanNA create a whole new bureaucracy instead of ombudsman panel instead of just staffing it appropriately and having them do their job in in conjunction. With Boston, Police Department and the Commissioner's Office and all those other offices I stated, they want to create a new. Caracas. They want to spend millions of taxpayer dollars, creating it, and inside that report that I, don't know if everybody's aware of the committee is actually looking for their own building, their own staff, their own budget, multiple commissioners and executive director and an entire investigatory staff that hasn't been actually Brought forth of what their background, their certifications or anything. That has to do with that panel consists of it seems like it's about jobs in money well, in this much better ways to spend the money in the city of. County around. Can I get it here for a second. Can I get in here for a second? You know that it's costing the last ten years thirty, six, million dollars on a tax payer's pockets to pay. in many cases police. Wrongful arrests in wrongful work on the job, and that's been a big cost of Boston taxpayers right there. This is the issue here seemed to be just subpoena powers that the group you have now has no subpoena power. The group the mayor is proposing does have some power subpoena power and I guess I don't understand since we do know that that most cops are very good cops and they're doing a great job out there this would help the good cops not to get. Smeared by the actions of those bad cops. So. I I I agree with those numbers even though I. Don't have them. If you say we've spent thirty, six million in ten years I might my okay. So my reply to that is. We have no idea. How many millions of dollars this new bureaucracy is gonNA cost nor how? Chrissy even if it has subpoena powers. Are Those powers going to stop further litigation and further? Poor behavior by the officer how is this going to change anything? We're still going to spend six million dollars over the next ten years if it would it be the same on top of the multi million dollars is gonNA cost to put this panel in place Butler Butler. You've been around long time and as an oversight board that has no subpoena power is not an oversight board and I'll quote you from the globe you said, we understand their problems in policing other parts of the country, but not here in Boston. So I guess I'd say a couple things one is Margaret Sanger no problems in your estimation. I assume you'd say, hey subpoenas. But also all due respect when just months ago we read the latest statistics from Twenty nineteen on these field investigations and observations. The so-called stop and Frisk blacks are a quarter of the population there sixty nine percent of the people who were stopped. How can you say that the problems in other parts of the country don't exist? Numbers don't lie black people. I mean you know the Supreme Court. CASE HAS JC case in two thousand sixteen said the law up until then this is inanimate decision the law up until then was of a black person was running away from cop you could assume guilt yesterday see determined seven to nothing based upon the history of interaction between Boston police and African Americans that not only can they not assume gill but that it's justified for a black person to be scared of a cop and run away I mean you can't say they're not problems that needs serious investigation. So the public has trust in what you and your colleagues do know. So that that's a lot in Atlanta one by one if I can I'm I'm well aware of s JC case you are correct in that and policing from the fifties, sixties and seventies I'm sure we all know as well as as well as your listeners know their policing of thirty or forty years ago is much different. Today was sixteen decision Larry Calderoni not nineteen, seventy, six, twenty, sixteen. Decision I wasn't referring to the decision I was referring to policing that was the difference. The, the NFL reports a not stop and frisk documents, FAO's afield interrogation observations and what that paperwork dictates if an office driving down the street and see someone known to him or her, they fill out this form. So it documents who is hanging around what intersection, what location in with whom sometimes you are out of the car and you are having a stop in conversation and you know filling out that same FAO but an FAO is not a stop and Frisk. So there's no racial bias and the. Statistics fourteen percent of the populations black sixteen, nine percent of the stops. That's not evidence of racial bias that needs serious investigation fixing. Well, you asked me a different question you ask you that question. Is that evidence of racial bias. Will you. You're throwing out statistics to me that that are not in front of me and it came from the Police Department I. I. Hear You Jim. Let me. I'm trying to answer just give me a moment If the department says those statistics and they believe that the end department, they believe that there is a racial issue within the department. Then that's the hierarchies job to make sure that they train offices appropriately and make sure it's not happening and from the from the representing the BPA I'm all about that and if I'm going to guess that you at least listen to or were informed of the Dan ratio the other night. Sajjan, itty crisp, and the president of Manlio. Association okay he said. Not that I can quote them because it won't be repaid him but they have the minority association in Boston that being the Latino offices, the Cape Verdean Offices, Massachusetts the Manlio itself. They have never had a bad a better working relationship with the Boston Police Potomac Association. So I just WANNA be judged on how we are today not what we were decades ago but larger you didn't answer my question about twenty nineteen that was not ago those field investigation. Numbers are from twenty nineteen not from decades ago is that evidence of racial bias in policing or not a simple question? NUMB numbers are there. No I don't believe. So No. You know. You mentioned that things are you know it was not the same as it was in the in the seventies and eighties and nineties but the globe has done a lot of stories about the top pay cops in in Boston and you know one of them has a hundred, one, hundred, one, ninety, one violations of on. Payroll abnormalities another guy, this Guy Dan Leckie who was just the district a district attorney Rollins was upset about his conduct, the globe reported on the street Pie Parade, which was a year ago where he was on video. I guess. Is Nick. Pepper. Jack Releasing Pepper, spray grabbing pushing protesters. Shoving one to the ground forcibly attempting to rip up, rip the mask off a protesters face, and apparently he's also was investigated earlier for seventeen instances of double dipping on private details when you see these things in the paper. You think wow, first of all, I didn't know this second of all. You think if I'm a peaceful protester, do I have to worry about getting shoved to the ground and he's still on the force and this was just last year so it does make you a little bit nervous. At least, it makes me nervous about police conduct. When those officers don't get. reprimanded. Believe he got accommodation? I understand exactly what you're saying, and I'm not going to sit here and try to pretend that I know what's going on with Captain Dental. Lucky or any of his cases I'm well aware of some of them that you stated but I wanna make a comparison to you. So you gave me all of those issues that have been reported in the newspaper by Catholic. On Social Media But that's what's reported by Social Media and the newspaper Captain Dan Lucky. Now we look at just what took place at this Sunday and we have two offices that if you look at the the Police Department report after the arrest, the officer was punish so viciously in the protective gear and Chiro on his helmet broke. So we, it's not always peaceful as legs to be reported in the media. So we have people in the crowd that a punch and police officers did a coming through the snow fence. That would not think twice about interfering with an arrest or hitting the officer in the back. So I can't really comment on what Captain Dan Lucky was experiencing during the straight pipe parade because you saw the videos just like I did there was thousands of people surrounding the offices on their bikes. They were thousands of people screaming and yelling with violent protests and the officers have a right to defend themselves. We can't go into the crowd and defend defenseless. People that are protesting peacefully if we can't protect ourselves and we're not getting that support in the media, we're not getting it from our elected officials and that's why Larry Calderoni find May. That's exactly why independent investigations are needed so that if you're right, it's confirmed by an independent body that can be trusted, and if you're wrong, you're gonNA have to acknowledge your needs reform. You know we're out of time I just want to say one thing to Larry Rony if i May historically, you've been sort of a press. Averse I think is fair to say and yesterday we were complaining the Colonel Mason from the state cops won't even talk to the press about this. This very troubling report even though obviously we have some disagreements with you. I WANNA say you're welcome here anytime and the fact that you are willing to talk about these issues is much appreciated by us and I'm sure much appreciated by our audience whether they agree with what you have to say or not. So we hope you'll come back when you're scheduled permits Larry? Well, I have to say this you I. I don't know about my predecessors and I won't comment on that but I'm looking to speak to any organization is willing to listen I don't care what side of the you know whether it's the you're on the progressive side of the liberal side I. I would like to get the story out of the men and women that I represent here. We're not talking to anybody Jim love to come back on the show been another twenty minutes half hour I. Think there's a lot that needs to be discussed that people don't know. Back soon. Too. So you could you could double. With us in the radio on his TV show at night Larry on you could do like an all day affair also really appreciate. that. Thank you. Take Care Yourself be well, thank you very much officer Larry Calderoni the president of the Boston Police Patrolman's association and we very much appreciate joining US coming up Chelsea Massachusetts Barks in the nation's largest income in. Experiment around tell you about it up next and ask would an extra tour box elite for ice give him a month. Two hundred afforded box help you out of a financial abyss. That's an excellent ignited seventy eight Boston publicly now. Eight eight nine seven nine, four, two, four, and you can give securely online at W. G. B. H. News Dot Org. Walking back to Boston Public Radio Jim Brady Marching Congress still can figure out a stimulus deal for the millions of Americans hit hardest by the pandemic the poorest families in. Chelsea. Are Getting some next month. The city Chelsea will start giving two thousand low income families a month stipend ranging from two, hundred, four hundred clear that that's monthly with no strings attached in an effort to alleviate the financial stresses of the coronavirus. Economic Downturn. The program is a version. It's actually largest version pilot of this in the United States of universal basic income. On Friday, by the way, we love Jill Shah who's president of the Shaw Family Foundation, which has donated million dollars to this effort and is hoping to raise more roaming lines asking you what a no strings attached check for two hundred or four, hundred a month make a difference for you. Sort of the debate we had with some our guest yesterday. Well, Nancy Pelosi is trying to get the largest stimulus package. She can. Chelsea will be what happens when something is better than nothing and two hundred or four hundred. If you listen to some recipients is a lot better than nothing what would that something mean for you? Eight seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy, and let me say something else about this experiment congratulations m. g. h. in the. United Way and the city of Chelsea and the Family Foundation. As I said, last night to shirlow the young Jill Shaw Roman show and as I said Joey with us on Friday you know there is a an notion this society the poor people can't be trusted to spend their money responsibly, and that's why liberal states like Massachusetts say in our cash assistance program what poor people cannot spend cash assistance on this basically reverses this and says we can trust. People, who live in our community whether they are poor or not, and this is an experiment to Nali, help them get through the pandemic. But hopefully to show, that is a better model for support for some of our fellow citizens whether it's this whether it's or non citizens whether it's. The Pelosi Plan Ed Markey announced yesterday again, he supports the two thousand dollars a month for the term of the pandemic, and of course, if you know about Andrew Yang, so would this make difference to you even something? It's not huge money two, hundred deformed dollars a month would provide some sort of relief for you. Eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy, I, love this experiment I should say, yeah, I think it would be fascinating. To see how it it turns out I suspect well, who knows if we'll get good results I suspect we will laurie from Paxton thank you by the way results show family foundation and Harvard are studying this as it goes along. So before the four month expiration and hopefully they'll extend it. They'll be reports about whether or not this provided benefits and by the way before you start Laurie Finland, tried this remixed results while it didn't increase. Employment, which they hoped it would it created, which matters a lot a happier and healthier population amongst those who were getting. The benefit. So there are even in that mixed results situation in Finland there were serious pluses so. Laurie and Paxton. Thanks. Hey. Hi. Jim. Hi Marjorie My opinion on high on the so I have a dog walking pet sitting service and I find that. My. Lower income clients are. More they live in their hearts face they're more generous there sometimes many times harder working because they need to be for survival. So if you grew up in poverty and that's all you know and you're working two three jobs just to get by that stress levels unimaginable you have no one to watch your kids while you're taking buses for job. So fifty dollars a week is almost nothing but the study that came out in May of twenty nineteen said that forty percent of American households as I'm sure you. Don't have four hundred dollars. Point though. So a forty percent of American households at staggering don't at four hundred, an emergency this would be their emergency money. So of of course, we need to help lower income people you you can't get out of poverty most times. Yes. People do it. Yes. People are resilient. You ask people some are resourceful but when you up in that and you live in a poor area and you don't have. The education, there's not many places you can go. So of course, we should help one hundred percent laurie. Thanks for the call. I'm so glad Lori mentioned that that survey we talked about it a lot that a significant chunk of the population in this country didn't have enough money in hand should a four hundred dollar emergency arise? So that is the answer to this question almost half the population needs it. Talks about the fact that the salaries for CEO's and top executives have gone through the roof in the last forty or so years wages for the for lower income people. Certainly have not an medication they've probably kept up with inflation. So minimum wages so low and the amount of money people make a lot of entry level jobs is so low that you can understand why people are in that mess and what was interesting when we had the government shutdown is a lot of people. had. What you would think would be middle class incomes fifty thousand dollars, sixty thousand dollars something like that they were. Was it one paycheck to paycheck was two paychecks away from not being able to pay their bills because everything is so expensive housing cars, etc etc etc. so called middle class income doesn't really get you very far fewer without your pay for a couple of weeks at the of also using the pandemic we've talked to Paul rebel about a particularly former secretary of education regularly about how we should be using this crisis to be rethinking how we do education rethinking doesn't just mean having zoomed classes while people are suffering through this but use this as an opportunity experiment with some serious reform and change. This is on a small scale, serious reform and change. Maybe we can blow away this notion that those of us in the middle class and upper middle class we are totally responsible when. It comes to spending our money, but poor people can't be trusted in terms of how to spend their money. Now only will it again, we'll address immediate needs start to answer the question that I. Think I know the answer to having been somebody who represented four people in housing matters for a decade in the South Bronx and also be an experiment about whether what people thought was radical when injury Yang mentioned he wasn't the first, but maybe the highest profile, maybe this is the direction that we should be going in this country as opposed to the direction we've been going in for the last four years and I think. Chelsea will be a much watched experiment eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy is our phone number. Remember a few years ago. It probably was maybe ten years ago. There was the big pupae controversy whereas you mother who was getting a help food stamps because she was a poor woman wanted to buy her kid whoopie pie and farmers market and the seller wouldn't let her by it because she thought she shouldn't. I remember very wells food stamps to buy it will be Pi. was remember with reaction was from some on the right in this state is for people to go spend people who were not on public assistance to go spend extra money to support of the wonderful thing this woman was doing by refusing to. Allow poor people to use their assistance through have a little joy in their lives. I'm not sure it would be by brings a lot of joy but I guess. Pies. Z. Bella Eight, seventy, seven. Pies did you know that with cells miniature with what pies? Pies. Pies Be Posed for people are allowed to the right is okay with that it's the whoopie pie that gives them concern where we going back in Brighton need a little guidance here. Please thank you. Lord Chelmsford Hi Catherine. Hi Hi there I saw. I saw the segment last night on Jim Bodies program about this Shaw. Foundation help for Chelsea and I. Thought it was great. The program was over I. Went to my computer donate. Okay. Yeah. But I saw that it's actually being administered by the United Way and I? Don't recall exactly what it was but years ago there was a scandal with the United. Way Was not not managing their money properly I can't recall it and that time to look it up. But that sort of stopped me in my tracks because if I donate, I want that all that money to go where it should go well by the way that was i. don't remember the details either you're right and it was a while ago and there's totally new leadership from what I understand our colleagues back in Brighton will get. US Some facts and a couple of minutes. But I think the united way that was in trouble then is not the united way of today. My understanding is this is the collaboration as you probably know between the city of Chelsea as I said, united way the Shah Family Foundation MGH, and by the way the family foundation the sort of the driving force here in terms of raising outside money Catherine is the same group that is doing wonderful things around getting healthier foods and kitchens into the Boston Public School. So in terms of intent I, think we've got a good win there but I promise you'll get the. Yeah the United Way itself when I saw that. Side. went up I hear you. We'll get the information for you but I don't think The whole organization should be tainted by the bad behavior of some leaders quite a while ago but we'll check it out for your Catherine. Thank you for the call we appreciate. You know anything the thing, the Foundation Day, which was so neat. Nash documentary on this. Was Bill Kitchens so that in these different schools in Boston, they could they could cook the food and right at the kitchen and they were talking about how previously allow you know the food had been shipped and they were in these little plastic containers and sometimes the food wasn't heated ride and it was just kind of reheated sort of Mush and then they get this really great food through the Shaath show is really a wonderful thing. Schools eventually to yeah, it's really it's a great thing. Eight seven seven three, oh, one, eighty, nine, seventy CPR W. G. B. H. Dot Org is the number Gabriel in watertown thank you for calling targeted grew. Gabriel Martinez is it something I said Jim I think it was probably something something you said so we'll let me go over this one more time again, Jill show will join us in a couple of days on Friday she'll join us you can go into more details. We wanted not only want to talk about the Chelsea experiment which again, two thousand families close to four thousand applied two thousand low income families were selected. They'll get a monthly no strings attached stipend of two to four hundred dollars a month as I said to spend anyway they choose their several purposes, it's one to help. Low income people get through a really painful situation surely young story mentioned yesterday Marguerite Thirty, eight percent of The in Raleigh's in this program have had at least one situation where they didn't have enough to eat in their family. That's five times the national average, which is only eight percent and the other reason Jill Shaw knowledge is last night is it's a Small. Sample though the largest one in the United States, to see if this a variation on universal basic income is a direction in which the social safety net in this country should go social safety net that has been sort of trashed in the last several years, and this may be seen as a radical approach to people, but it may be a radical approach needed. And did you mention already what the results are found so far in Stockton California They that they've doing this pilot out there and that of one hundred and twenty-five low income families it showed forty percent of their expenditures went toward food. twenty-five percent to merchandise and eleven percent for utilities and less than two percent was spent on alcohol and tobacco and and fewer than two percent of enrolled unemployed. So these are people that have jobs. But they were part of this program and they obviously. Needed food since almost half the money went toward food even though these people were employed by the way getting back to that caller from a few minutes ago now was the scandal the united way a few years ago it was more than. Two decades ago. Nineteen ninety-five This guy who? Was the president was jailed in ninety five for devoting the organization more than a million dollars. So it's been twenty five years in between the prior caller. So I would say the united way his more than For its sins and I would say is a pretty great partner in this effort over there Chelsea let's go to winchester we're Bronwyn is on the phone you're on Boston public radio. Thank you so much for calling. Hi. Hi Jim. Both of you I. Love You. I WANNA just. A retired United Church of Christ pastor. I'm I'm actually yet. Yeah. So if you If you don't know United Church of crisis. The one that says, no matter who you are where you are on life's journey you're welcome here and we've been. Dating all kinds of people for years and years, and so okay. So what don't want to say is back in the day when I was in my early twenties and was a single parent and how to a half year old I didn't know what welfare was I had never really heard and somebody said to make it the perfect candidate we living in lower east side New York City. and. This person. I knew said, why don't you apply and so I did? Ban and I got welfare it was easier to swallow my pride in New York City that will was when I went back to New Hampshire and decided that I was going to stay in New Hampshire and try to go to school there and I applied for welfare in Loco Hampshire where I grew up. And I had to really. It was really hard for me to do that but I, did it and I gotta I gotTa I, got a scholarship to to to. Plymouth. Now, university I was always on the top of the Dean's list that went all the way through. But if I hadn't had both the Housing Allowance and those welfare checks and stuff whatever it was that I could just spend as I needed to I could never have done it and the thing is I just WanNa, say I mean it brings it brings tears to my throat to think about it I mean I had. I had virtually nothing except that you shouldn't be a poor person in the back of my head hollow whose fault is it the era poor person he's Gosh give people the opportunity to have their own money and do what they need to do with it. If you make a mistake with it, then you fix it up somehow and borrow from a friend and I mean I didn't have a car isn't it little by little it all worked out. Those was a great call for you. And congratulations thank you for making the call. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you imagine. Thanks very kind. Thank you very much. We're talking about this experiment going on and Chelsea giving people extra money who are poor and seeing what happens when keep talking about it. But this brief ridiculous into eighty nine, seven, Gbh Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston Public Radio Jim Brady and Margery EAGAN you know Marjorie. With your permission I'm going to change the topic and we we're GONNA talk to Jill Sean Friday about this program in Chelsea that's one of the reasons but the primary reason is our friend Sheila just texted me a story from politico. Seen it yet, I read really quickly, not Joe Biden who you know is a reach across the aisle. Kind of guy is contemplating a number of Republicans in his cabinet even though they wouldn't confirm it and you know who one of those Republicans who he is contemplating happens to be. It would be governor Charlie Baker. Massachusetts Jeff Flake former senator from Arizona. and some others Charlie Dent from Pennsylvania and I thought it'd be interesting to for the next handful of minutes. How people feel about that if you're a biden supporter, how do you feel about Joe? Biden reaching across the aisle and picking our governor I assume it'd be something like health and Human Services which he ran is I assume most people know when he was here? Working for Governor Weld Governor Saloojee, and if you're a trump supporter how do you feel about or if you're a republican even if you're not at trump's for how would you feel about Republican Charlie Baker Serving Democrats cab I'm not surprised by that, but it's also pretty jarring in some ways. Isn't it? Well, I guess. So but I mean Charlie Baker is one of those moderate Republicans used to populate much Republican Party I. Mean. The group in there now is is readily. As an against where the American public is on a whole host of issues from healthcare to row to. Voting Rights and all these things I mean they're kind of way out there on the other side of the spectrum. So. You often think gee. What would it take for the GOP to get back some of these normal Republicans. And Charlie. Baker is a pretty normal Republican, they used to almost all be normal Republican. TAX, low, tax small government. Liberal fiscal. Yeah I mean there was not I mean have we all know Nelson Rockefeller who is vice president? Who is a Republican? We all know you know Pants on backwards. I mean, it's not exactly. That's house. Engage in whatever that's right. But I mean he wasn't one of these people that you have now that are talking about getting rid of birth control I mean really. In favor of that. So anyway I think but I don't think they'll do it. I? Don't think do it for second. Is that why do you think he wouldn't do it? Because I think once you become the governor, you'd like to run things. Health and Human Services. If that is the department they're contemplating, that's where their expertise is. He's a former healthcare executive is huge huge talk about running it. That's got practically as much as many employees as we have people in the Commonwealth not quite but it's huge. Any case what's your reaction? I? I was I shouldn't be surprised actually because Biden again is A. Totally reached across the connick guy and clearly once as he said repeatedly, my goal is to represent all Americans not just those who vote for me unlike the current president and Baker I guess seems to be a pretty good pick in that category. So we all know what your reaction is to this judy in Randolph your first on Boston Public Radio Hud Judy. My mind I'm I done everything. Thank you Jim. Beautifully put you. Wanted to tell the two of you something I as far as donations and you're talking about what you're getting. Well, you know what I hold with you get what you give or you get what you get whichever way and you people have given us so much. So he's only appropriate that we give back I'm the goodness on my I gave a small donation. I'm already sustain her for several years. So they gave us. Thank you and and I said the reason that I love listening to deviates when my husband's in the car with me, we're married on fifty seven years. Wow, it precludes having time or space to arts. Initially do when you're. On the air we cannot because we're both. So tuned into what you're saying you're doing on the air. Judy Judy Judy in light of what you said at the beginning when you've matter been married fifty seven years, I'll throw right back at you. You give what you get. Don't you think that's probably. A lot more than bet you do. So Judy Judy. Thank you. You're incredibly kind what's your thought about a baker in a Biden Administration. That's what I call for sure and I wanted to say I, am a staunch Democrat I think I've called in before then you recognize my voice insurance hold a very distinct voice which means that couldn't make seem calls anonymously. However, people know who you were. Right on my own material to I am a staunch Democrat however I think Charlie Baker's heart is in the right place I've seen the true emotion. He is a mortgage under the circumstances at the Kobe has foisted on US I do not agree with everything he's done but if Joe Biden our next president to nominate him for an office in the Cabinet if Charlie accepted it I, think he would understand that it came with an incumbent. obligation, it would be incumbent upon him to. Follow through and do the job that Joe appointed him over a very compatible way and the second reason I think that he would be okay. Is that being a rhino and that's a protected species I think he'd be safe security. Thank you a rhino for those that don't know Republican in name only That's what a lot of conservative Republicans think about Larry Hogan's in the Charlie Baker's and those sort of people trish holding you're next on Boston public radio. Thanks calling. Hi. Hey longtime donor listen to. My husband and I are recently rewired and we're moving to Florida next week but I will never let Gbh membership go. Oh, thank you. For she wanted the way, you can listen to US streaming by the way off the fair. Okay. Go ahead. But I also need to keep up my membership. Anyway. I think it's a terrific idea. I have a lot of respect I'm I'm I'm staunch Democrat I i. have a lot of respect for Charlie Baker. I think he's done a great job with this covid business in our state. I like Jeff Flake if if president to be Biden's can work across the aisle and show this country, what life is supposed to be about I'm all for it. Well said Trish. Thanks good luck and and stay in. You can call us from there. Two phones work even from Florida give us a buzz and have a safe move to your future state there. I'll tell you Florida's pretty scary place in terms of corona virus right now the says governor. Imagine, there was a time not so long ago we did have these sort of Colegio relationships across the Democrats and Republicans member Obama Transfers Transportation Secretary. Lahood wasn't that the guy's name is a Republican. It makes a really good statement whether it's Baker somebody else obviously even though the Biden people in the political article or saying that they they were making no decisions about staffing until after November you're suppose say obviously it's being leaked by them to show that they're reaching out to Republicans who have not. Been blindly loyal to Donald Trump and donald trump's regime so. It'd be interesting. We haven't had the governor on the show in a while and it isn't because we haven't been trying I guess he's been really busy, but we'd love to talk to him about it even though I'm not sure he'd love to talk about it. but in any case, that's other news according to politico. Okay. Coming up to speak with journalists and story and July Cobb about a new front line. which airs tonight, which looks at voter suppression. It's it's pretty riveting stuff joined. The COP is next on eighty, nine, seven Gbh Boston public radio. The Boston Public Radio Jim Brady she is marguerite and with the national controversy over voting by mail dominating the news new frontline documentary investigates allegations of voter fraud and disenfranchisement in the lead up to the twenty. Twenty. Election. New Yorker writer and Historian Jilani. COBB investigates how the pandemic is being used this way turnout and the voter registration was the ultimately determine election's outcome. It's titled Whose Vote Counts. It's made in collaboration with Columbia School of Journalism WanNa is a professor of journalism. You can catch tonight on PBS at ten and online at PBS DOT ORG slash frontline. Jilani, welcome back good to talk to you as always. Likewise. Thanks so much for joining us and making me even more hysterical already twenty. Action. So so You Outline quite convincingly that the person's the people whose vote doesn't count. Could determine this election and you start in Wisconsin or focus so much on. Wisconsin why Wisconsin? Well. You know Wisconsin what's an important state for a number of reasons one? It's a place where has a legacy of progressive politics and kind of Your wasn't founding. The location of the Republican Party itself. which came about out of outrage at the potential spread for the spread of slavery. And so we were interested in looking at. How a state with such, a longstanding progressive history has become a battleground over voter access and. In addition, we wanted to talk about the story of voter suppression outside of the South we didn't want to. Tell the same story that people with a million with with John Lewis. And Selma. And Mississippi South Carolina. because even though voter access remains a concern, those places it has now metastasized. It's something that we're worrying about across the union and we were trying to pick someplace that would be able enabled us to tell that part of the story. Yeah and you focus on April seventh primary there in chaos that I had been reading about it at the time. But I, don't think I had been able to put it in a tight package like you did. Can you describe the the mess that ended up actually in the spring? Court? come primary time in Wisconsin July. Yeah I think that it was just the most indelible fiasco of the that early Kovin era at least certainly as it pertains to our politics. Here we had lines, went blocks and blocks and blocks. For people to vote which would be an obscenity in the best of times. but the fact that these people were online for hours. To get a chance to go into a building. There was a higher risk of covid transmission in order to do their civic duty it just. Struck us as something that we had to delve into to figure out how that happened and you know they were number of twists and turns but. Get essentially, boil down to the governor the Democratic Governor Tony leaper. Wanting, to prevent the election taking place in person. Or Postponement and the Republicans wanting exact opposite you know fighting to make sure that the election would happen at that same date meaning that if people had not already requested absentee ballots with many of them had not, they would have no choice but to show up in person to cast a ballot. And that was an effect how that happened. It was a kind of agreed to and unconscionable active voted depression. voter suppression that was essentially confirmed by a five to four majority in the Supreme Court with the five conservatives. Essentially siding with the Republican legislature there you know one of the most powerful things many powerful things in this hour Gilani Cobb but I have to say when that? Primary voter I. Don't have her words verbatim in front of me. Said, you know it was like eighteen, sixty seven. And you then brought us back I. Assume everybody in the audience has heard of red or knows about Bryan, Stevenson founder of the National Memorial for Peace and justice. Here he is with you discussing the post civil war era when African Americans risked their lives to vote. The violence that takes place. Trauma that takes place the lynching that takes place. The mass migration of black people from the deep south to the north and the West that takes place, which will also have political implications. Is All a result of this violent opposition to allowing people to vote. Hundred and fifty years ago looks a lot like today and so many painful ways. There's not. Yeah. That was one of the things that was Most striking about this, making this film with dealing with the echoes history and in some cases, the echo the don't even go back that far but they're the same people. So we looked into and delve into a case in nineteen eighty. One of the first cases that targeted absentee ballots you know along the ideas of alleged voter fraud and that takes with brought nineteen eighty one by the US attorney in Alabama was banned by the name of Jeff Jeff Sessions. And and so this is. You know that's historical. You know with forty years ago but we're still dealing with the same characters as it relates to this this issue. July cobb before you leave the the Jeff sessions case tell us about this couple and how much trouble they were in involving trying to help people to vote the Turner up believe. Charters. They had been they had marched literally not kind of metaphorically the people say but literally had marched. With John Lewis you know at the been pettus bridge and have been involved in attempts to empower the black community and by voting, and so they have been prosecuted for war believe with Montgomery they've been prosecuted for helping people fill out ballots. Absentee ballots and mailing them. And just isn't brought a six charges against them. For illegal voting and having a Illegally tampered with the election process, they were acquitted on all charges. but that was meant to be shot across the bow meant to intimidate people to prevent them from doing anything that might The enhanced people's likelihood of casting a ballot and I should say that that playbook was not left in Alabama early in his career. Now Governor Brian Kemp did the same thing or when he was secretary, of state and Georgia did the same thing and so. This your playbook is as old as familiar but it is still in use and still unfortunately tragically affected wave. We're talking to July. College professor of Journalism at Columbia has done this great frontline thing which is on tonight on PBS at ten o'clock. So just just hip is planned to people to Gilani. So we had we had the passage of the voting rights act in nineteen, sixty five, but we have come forward to a time where that has been gutted by the United States supreme. Court. So talk about that period between sixty five and more recent history I think was two thousand, Thirteen Chelsea anything. About. The kind of what you talk about is kind of this voter fraud Madre, which has taken hold in the Republican Party between then and now continues now. So. Fifty five voting right back I don't even know that we could really properly talk about the dimension which is influence and its impact has been seen. You know but there are four hundred within a couple of years of four hundred black people who are elected to office and South by nineteen eighty or so that number has increased to four thousand. be elected officials throughout the country, and then also the important aspect of this event really can't underscore enough is the voting Rights Act's applicability to other populations. We always think of it in relation to American but it was a significant and important to native Americans the language provision in the Voting Rights Act. Ensured that people who are above a certain percentage of the population If they speak a language other than English they have to have ballot materials in the language, they're most familiar and most comfortable and and so this has really been kind of omnibus inclusion act for. Populations that might not other otherwise be included within democracy. And at the same time. There was this you know firdaus effort, you voter fraud and the integrity of election as the means by which the voting might that could be kneecapped and so part of that as I mentioned was What Jeff Sessions did Alabama what Brian Kemp did in. Georgia. But those things were to an extent held in check because you couldn't change election log you know the free clearance section of the Voting Rights Act which was sex and five meant that these states if they had any. Attempt. To change on election while they had to be cleared by federal judge who would ascertain that these are not efforts to disenfranchise the black population in those states and that went on when the Selby decision happened in twenty thirteen. The reason at the Voting Rights Act was essentially hobbled of kneecapped was that they say that this put an undue burden on southern states that it was effectively a form of racial discrimination against southern might people which I should add that argument that protections for black citizenship effectively discriminated against black people have been the basis of the reactionary politics Minnesota going back literally going back to the end of the civil war. Jilani. Cobb I have to say is disconcerting is so much of your film is it was really a reassuring to hear from an expert to make clear that there's no such thing voter suppression, which made me feel a hell of a lot better. I've never even heard of this Guy Hans von, but cows Caskey, former department of Justice lawyer architect of the Republican position voter fraud. Here's a little bit of vence spouse conversation with Jilani, cub voter suppression is a made up term that's used by. Those who pose a very common sense measures to Mike make sure that one. Yeah. Everybody who's eligible is able to vote but second their vote is and diluted or stolen through administrative error or fraud. To make sure I understand his clearly. You're saying that voter suppression does not happen in the United States. What I'm saying is that's a made up term. Okay, we do have. We do have discriminatory conduct conduct sometimes happened still in the voting contacts and ask the Voting Rights Act. That's what the Voting Rights Act. was intended to stop and and it does and he is at the center of the Republican Voter Fraud Universe even though people like me had never heard his name before. July Yeah but he's somebody whose name we should know. Because? He has been the architect of this movement And in bet. If you, we'll tell you very contentious. Yeah and so you kind of got to the end of it and we were surprised that no one had walked out and they'll be. Yeah interview. but he has also said he's going he perform a Justice Department lawyer in the Civil Rights Division Dan, the Bush administration. now, a heritage foundation figure a really. Center. Of the promulgating the Canard voter, fraud and He has a great deal of influence and he managed I guess the main underneath the radar. So sometime but the things that we're fighting about in the rhetoric on the talking points overhearing bouncing around the country are largely a product of his mind you know Jilani you don't know this but I am a numbers guy and Marjorie is a stories person and you touch on both I mean. We all know I assume we know that Donald Trump won Wisconsin by fewer than twenty, three, thousand votes. You actually go and look at the. Three thousand votes talk about coincidence and a much smaller election the April primary that were not counted boy that hits here. But it doesn't hit you nearly as hard as when you talk to that mother and daughter is the called the Metcalf Park Community Bridges Organization when you were showing to them the names of neighbors of theirs who they've worked with activists who've been disenfranchised can you just describe that moment or those moments to us? Yes. Baby walked through this voting role from April seventh and people who've absentee ballots hip injected and it's one thing to say. twenty, three, thousand ballots fan rejected. It's another thing to say, Oh, I know data's his ballot was rejected and Lisa who lives around the corner her ballot was rejected when you can say that these are the actual people. whose input into democracy has been denied and I think that's a very different kind of situation. And so Yeah. That was. Very, I think one of the more moving Amar affecting parts of the whole project. Well let me be a numbers person switched roles here for a second on the COB. You also mentioned that around the country I think it was in two thousand, seventeen that ninety nine bills to suppress votes were introduced in thirty one legislatures around the country. So as you point out, this is not just. Georgia or Bama or was causing this is America. This is a real I mean it sounds to me that what you're talking about in this frontline piece is the possibility that voter suppression and eliminating ballast because somebody forgets the hyphen in their surname. Could decide this. Election. Yes. Yes that was one of the reasons that we wanted to to to have this conversation that. One thing I think we'll be talking about voter suppression. There, the distinction between the classic form that we saw. You know pre nineteen, sixty, five and Mississippi. Alabama, you know throughout the states of the former confederacy where the goal was to eliminate entire populations from contention. That you could have entire county that would be majority black when no black person ever cast a ballot. and that would be that would be You know effectively, that would be what happened. The mechanisms now are different they work around the margins. That if you have twenty three thousand votes in a state where their millions of votes being cast that sounds of someone like you know a margin for error like, okay these people forgot to sign it'd be people didn't have an a ID that was acceptable in some on and you can almost kind of go like I'll Betcha the kind of cost and doing business except when you look at the fact that you know it's certainly with municipal races with state Senate races and so on. Those those tallies have a huge effect and even as we saw in two thousand sixteen with those razor thin margins across Pennsylvania Michigan, and Wisconsin. That can be the whole ballgame. I said at the beginning. Thank you very much. You've made me nervous wreck. One thing before you go though I would be remiss if I didn't ask we have read that you were one of the New Yorker writers in that election simulation call. That Jeffrey Toobin was on he's now in some hot water for. Exposing, himself from the call. Hate Bush on the spot July cop anything you'd like to say about it. Understand it's a punchline people laughing about it, but you know the Value Colleague and if mortifying and You know I, feel like you have your laugh but but it was unintentional thing that we've smashed our workplaces and our homes together in these ways that everyone sees everybody's kids everyone he's south walking by in the background. We've just kind of put our personalized into our work live in a way that this is maybe a. Comedic comic thing that people think about. But you know in the real sense I think that's probably I'll be happy when we move on from that. Well. Congratulations again for a really great and very unnerving piece of journalism I. Hope. Hyphens and the Non Hyphen make it through two thousand twenty. To talk as always. Thank you. July cobb say you to thank you again Jilani Cobbs a staff writer for the New Yorker Professor of Journalism at Columbia School of Journalism and the correspondent for the new frontline documentary you got to watch this one whose vote counts. It's on tonight at ten o'clock on PBS. You can also find online at PBS DOT ORG slash frontline. Okay. Coming up. Is this thing on? Can President trump handle having mike muted at this week's debate C. N. N.'s John King has critical over that and other headlines coming out of Washington keep, your Don, eighty nine, seventy H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public, Radio Jim Brady, and Marguerite two weeks to go drawing some line latest headlines as John King CNN's chief national correspondent anchor of inside politics, which you can catch weekdays and Sunday Mornings at eight Hello John King. Hello. Hello. Two weeks. It is GONNA be. Fun. Fun Fun. I love. Election. Sorry. Okay. Okay. So John King allowed Massachusetts voters who this is not a big trump state Massachusetts there are some but not certainly the majority. And people are looking at these polls and realizing I. Think it's a New York. Times. Paul the had the one that that little meter that had hillary. Clinton winning you know eighty percent ninety, one percent. Odds exactly to four years ago yesterday. So in other words, we all thought she was going to win or not everybody, but a lot of us thought she was going to win. So why should we be anymore those people who are not fans the present be any more confident in the polls that we're seeing right now, which have significantly for a vice-president Biden. look I think whether you're Democrat Republican independent or trying to watch this from a neutral perspective you should look at it. This way Joe Biden is ahead as was Hillary Clinton at this point four years ago Joe. Biden's lead is slightly more comfortable. meaning that is is leading the national poses a little bit bigger has lead in some of the key. State polls is a little bit bigger for me. It's more of an issue, deepen the bones of the polls honesty and trustworthiness direction of the country how you rate the president's handling of the corona virus So there's structure in the polls that if you're a Democrat make you a little bit more confident, and if you're Republican should make you a little bit more nervous but the. Thing I will say everybody's yes. We lived through twenty sixteen, two weeks. I don't mean to use the Cliche is a long time and if you go state by state, a lot of these battleground polls even were Biden is ahead It's very, very narrow. It's two to four two to four point. So you can look at a map and say, wow, Joe, Biden's competitive in Texas. Joe Biden's competitive in Georgia Joe Biden's competitive in Ohio, or you can look at a map and say, well, trump's GonNa win Ohio Trump's GonNa Win Georgia trump's GonNa win Texas trump might win North Carolina trump wins, Florida that gets back in play Joe Biden is still has an advantage and I would argue it's a different race in part because simply Joe Biden is not Hillary Clinton? That takes the misogyny off the table. That's some votes. and Joe. Biden also has a profile that makes him more attractive to white blue collar voters But yes, it's. It's close enough in the end. If you're on either side, you should be. Speaking of nervous no one's more nervous than Marjorie, and while there was good news John King, yesterday out of the Supreme Court. If you believe in Small d democracy when they basically said absentee ballots can be counted for additional days. Even if the postmark is unclear, the bad news out of that, I guess you'd Argh if you're biden supporter as it was a four to four vote in spring court leading the lower court ruling stand. it was only four to four because John. Roberts chief justice joined the three liberals we know that. Amy Coney Barrett is likely to be on the court. For any election cases president himself has said I. Wonder Their by Election Day because the Supreme Court's GonNa decide the election. What are the Democrats doing if anything? To prevent this other than trying to have a big victory of course, prevent this getting to a very trump friendly spring court of the United States. By think your first point is the most important point that if you are a Democrat and you live in battleground state or if you're inclined to vote for Joe Biden whatever your political persuasion and you live in a battleground state you should vote if you're Republican to support the president, you should vote I'm not telling anybody not to vote I think everybody should vote I wish turnout was was break breaks records every election however that's you raise a great point. Jim that if it comes down to one or two states, right and those states are states that do not finish their count on. Election Day and those states let's say they're Wisconsin and Pennsylvania two states I, think might not finish their count on Election Day and that might you know very close race could decide the next president is then that will end up in court. There's no question about it. So you have you have this one case yesterday of. The Ju Justice Roberts says they can count votes a little bit longer and postmark doesn't have to be legible and you're going to have a whole bunch of challenges. I think there's a couple of things to watch. One is how many of these big challenges or still lingering pre-election challenges number one, and then how close are the states which will determine how many post-election challenges there are. So I don't have a good answer for you in the sense that we don't know. Yet if if Joe Biden is winning by big margins in these places, then there'll be fewer lawsuits. If they're very close, there will be more. The one point I will make is that we need to do this. Every day is just to remind people it may take several days to count the vote. There's nothing wrong with that more people are voting by mail it in some states are not allowed to touch those ballots until election day so they can't start the count. And then so we'll see what happens. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that an as they are counted whether it's Michigan Pennsylvania whether it's North Carolina or anywhere else Massachusetts included guess what both campaigns get to have people in the room to raise their hand. If they see something they don't like and to challenge the process to challenge ballots that's the way it works there's nothing wrong with it it may take some time bruce some extra coffee. John King we spoke with New York Gilani. COBB has got this great documentaries going to be on tonight at nine o'clock I. Believe corker thanks I'll. Say, no I'm not sure. CHECK LOT PBS he's talking about the efforts to suppress vote all around the country since the Supreme Court under Roberts. GotTa the Voting Act and allowed a lot of states to introduce in thirty one legislatures. I was surprised bills to suppress. And when he was talking about was. How close in a lot of these days elections were and how it's often the votes from the black community get thrown out. Either there's somebody didn't have a hyphen or didn't do something right it case he raised the specter of. President trump winning the election because of voter suppression in battleground states and he makes it pretty compelling case. Look this. This is a there's a problem there America I'll call it a problem maybe I'm not supposed to, but there's a problem in America in my view with people who don't like demographics. So therefore trying to discourage people from voting. It's just a fact. I mean, you know why should anybody in Georgia or Fourth Carolina or Texas or anywhere else be concerned if African American turnout is off the charts why should they be concerned if Latino turnout is off the charts as long as he's a registered voters and their legal voters, we should be thrilled right. a lot of Republicans can do math I and this it's not all Republicans but it's mostly Republicans because of the demographics of the United States of America look at how narrow the Stacey Abrams Kim Brand Kim race was for Georgia governor now, I'm not here to say sh, she won but they you know there are a lot of people there who think that a lot of votes were thrown out or not countered right and the like and it's it's horrible that we have these controversies after elections we should have hard-fought elections where in the end everyone is confident in the count if you if you deserve. Recount, get one. If you see something wrong have a good lawyer, fight it out and then when it settled, we should all be able to say, okay, you know and learn the lesson come back next time this is going to be with us for years not just in this election because of the demographics of America and in certain places where certain people and in most like I said, most parts of the country these Republicans trying to protect their power by limiting votes and by keeping the people who've put them in voting and by trying to restrict the rights of other people I. Think it's wrong but I do think. Number, you can the people listening to this broadcast or any broadcast have a supercomputer in their hand in their telephone. Now you have to make a plan is it is it unreasonable that you have to try extra hard to vote you can make that case but there's still two weeks the election. So if you have any doubt that there might be a question about your registration about your hyphen signature about your process about your polling place it may not be fair to you but it's the reality you live in. If you're in a battleground state and you think somebody may challenge your vote double triple check everything now check the registration deadline make sure you get in before the Buzzer. John Before we take a pledge Reagan. Then we'll continue with you. Politico is reporting that Joe Biden is interested in a bipartisan cabinet. That he is looking allegedly at a bunch of Republicans among them apparently according to the reporting is Charlie Baker. Baker is just asked by the State House News Service at a press conference today about it and he said he's flattered. But quote you're GonNa be stuck with me for at least the next two years, which obviously is what he's going to say regardless are you surprised that a baker that Jeff Flake would be on a potential Biden cabinet list? No. Names aside this has been Biden's Mo for some time and also lived through the Obama Administration. If you remember in the healthcare debate and the stimulus debate early on one of the criticisms was Obama wrenching, he would unify the country and then they had a very partisan beginning the administration I I think Biden means that I think you should take him at his word a lot. Of Progressives don't like this but taken at his word that he thinks after trump he thinks this anyway and he thinks especially, if you have a post trump era that it's important to send a signal to the country that you're trying to be everybody's president and you're gonNA listen to different points of view. Now, he may be trying to get Charlie Baker out of their you know. So then then. Lieutenant, Governor come up. He's still have to wait for an election. So That's Elizabeth Warren's problem about getting trump cabinet is Charlie Baker but just picking him wouldn't do enough I guess But yes, I if Biden wins, they will be I bet there will be two released to Republicans in the cabinet maybe more but probably to. I grew the which C. N. N.'s John King WanNa. Keep talking to you about this brief break listen into eighty nine seven Gbh Boston public radio. Is the. Double the match eight, eight, eight, eight, nine, seven, nine, four, two, four W. G. B. H. News Dot Org. Welcome back to Boston public radio. If you're just tuning, we're talking to John King C. N. N.'s chief national correspondent anchor of inside politics. I'll say it again with just two weeks to go. So John. King. According to the deadline that Speaker Nancy Pelosi said, there's only twenty four hours left to come up with some relief bill before the election is. Is this I know it's going to happen. Well that's what she says that is the deadline. This is Washington so deadline sometimes get pushed but she says it's if you WANNA, get this passed by election day and you want to get the money out Then you have to have a deal today she is speaking we're at one thirty, six PM in the afternoon she's supposed speaking an hour and a half three o'clock today with teaching. The Treasury Secretary Again they are the two principal players here She says, they've narrowed the gap some but still some sizable disagreements is pessimism is the mood in town that this is going to get done. But I do think we'll. We'll certainly know by sunset whether they get a deal today and then whether the speaker says if they don't whether speaker says never mind we're done. Or if they can you know if they just try to extend the deadline by day or two, but the the mood is pessimism that doesn't mean they won't get a deal but we'll see the president this morning said he's willing to go very big and he's willing to call it Mitch McConnell and say too bad I know you don't like this but do it but the first thing is Pelosi has to reach a deal with MNUCHIN that the president signs off on and I think we should know by dinnertime. John I. Don't know if you know what the dispute is I'd read it was about testing I've been an advocate for Get, which can because people can't wait till February, which is I think what's going to happen whether Donald, trump is reelected. If there's not a deal by election day. Are there poison pills in this I know there's there's not as much as Nancy. Pelosi would like in the MNUCHIN proposal, the White House proposal but are there poison pills they're going to be affirmatively damaging? Is that what's keeping Pelosi from cutting a deal even if it's not a perfect one? It depends on who you talk to Jim, and so I'm always worried about this and I defer to our great reports on Capitol. Hill because when I'm anchoring a program I can't be doing the minute to minute reporting on this. But her point is that you know that they want the Democrats want very specific language about how the money can be spent and the even when they've come closer on the big pro on the top line. You know two point two at one point nine, I could cut they could split the difference in cut that deal I think pretty quickly. The question is she wants specific commitments about how new testing money is spent about The the Republicans are Senate Republicans are worried about state to state and local governments and the like. So hers in the specificity of it must be spent this way and the administration wants more sure. We'll come close to your number, but we decide how it is spent It's more complicated than that. And I'm not deep into the reporting on that, but it's a trust issue if you want to boil it all down, it's just trust and who controls who controls the money, how specific or the instructions about how it is spent, and then you'd still have to sell it to the Senate I do believe if the president said too bad pass, it the Senate would have no choice, the Senate Republicans who have no choice but boy, that's a that's a hand grenade to roll into the room two weeks before an election. So John. King. There's debate Thursday night we didn't think. WanNa ride it was going to be one but there is. But now that the commission that decides on these debates issues said the they're going to mute the microphones if somebody if somebody talks over somebody I. How is this GONNA work? Well when they're asked a question, the format says, Marjorie. Jim Question Jim has two minutes to answer and then John King gets to rebut him. We saw what happened the first debate Joe. Biden would say my name is and he wouldn't he couldn't get to Joe before the president. Before the president was bulldozing him with the interruptions We saw this twenty sixteen to this. This should not be surprise to anybody part. The president likes to rattle you I. It is part of a deliberate strategy plus he doesn't like anybody else talk and so now they're gonNA essentially the president's microphone will be muted for the two minutes Biden speaking and vice versa Biden's microphone we'll be muted for the first two minutes of the response and then during the back and forth they'll be allowed to scream at each other over the microphone the President says this is unfair look it's not a change in the format it's just a use of your technology if you will to adapt to the circumstances. So the president is whining about that he's whining about the moderator he's winding. The commission is biased against him I was taught a long time ago when you're whining, you're not winning a sort of a basic rule of politics, but it is how the you know the president has done this before and like him or don't like him his grievance politics have worked for him in the past. So you're gonNA, hear it up to the debate and probably through the debate that this is not fair to him. The interesting thing to me is does he get it and just leave Joe Biden. Alone you try to shout over even though the microphone. I mean if he does shout over him or if Biden. Shots Schaus. You be able to pick it up on the other person's microphones. So we'll all going to hear it anyway. I mean, that's the. Wizard here by any means, but it does sound like that could happen. They're not that far apart cleo the you guys know this when you have when just when you have a technical mistake in the studio which happens every. Time. I sometimes forget my microphone on my tie. You know and it's sitting on the desk instill picks it up. You know it's just it's not as clear as it's supposed to be, and your produces a rolling their eyes at you and waving their hands at you're saying, you know anymore on, put your mic on I've been there many times. And But look you. Yes you know with with Kristen Welker, the microphone and Joe Biden's microphone. If the president decided he was just going to shout but you know the issue is look this is a question of discipline his behavior in the first debate hurt him There's no disagreement on that. Maybe he disagrees but his own campaign team will tell you you know the sort of the constant interruptions, the rudeness call it bullying. If you want just hurt him, it was not presidential. It was just not civil it was not polite. and. It hurt him with the people he needs to get back independent voters in suburban women. So I assume I assume the president whether he likes it or not gets that for your own self interest, you should get the way I played. The first time did not work. I need to play differently this time, but we'll see. By the way I don't buy that. He gets anything with all due respect John I mean if I were to say to you with fifteen days ago and an election probably great part determine by the inapt uncaring way you dealt with coronavirus. Hey, I've got a great idea call the most trusted man in American. Idiot and a disaster and say it would have been far worse if. You listen to him and say at every rally of your most loyal supporters were turning the corner. When anybody who watches a new show a recent newspaper will least with the exception of one channel knows that we're entering the worst period since this began, it seems like he's on like almost has a death wish about his campaign or is acknowledging that he's losing and he's I mean. How do you explain yesterday this found she thing. You can you have Dr Freud replace me the rest of the program or. Our next Tuesday. If you want to get an explanation of that one look I I, here's what you're right. You're right. I was trying to be kind to the president the president he he does sometimes changes behavior it never tends to last but you know there's there's been once or twice during the presidency where you didn't tweet for a few days or Tweet you know ten twenty times a day anyway. So I think if he's confronted by his own people saying Sir you. WanNa. Lose the election what you did in the first debate. But we'll see you're you're absolutely right I I. It's a great risk for me to say this president will show up and actually you know listen to his adviser and listen to common sense and have disciplined. The couch to me is fascinating of a sample of how much this president is driven by what he sees on television found. She baited him and the president took the bait. The sixty minutes interview where he said you now yeah, of course I not surprised the president got sick that White House and that was a super spreader we need to have masks you need to listen to public health officials essentially gave a sixty minutes interview that these are my words not talked about chase. He never said them but pay no attention to what the president says or how he acts because it's dangerous if if listen to what she said in the sixty minutes interview and all of his interviews lately, that's what he's saying. You know he's not using those words directly by the the inference. The clear influences paint do not behave like the president is behaving where you're Maskhadov crowded events and. Don't listen to what the President says when he says we've rounded the final corner. It's about to go away because that is simply not true and the president took the bait and came out Monday morning and start to tacking doctor. You're right he has the respect of the country Republicans more and more doubt him but the president can't win with just Republican votes. This is back to another question about the president he's doing his rallies he's doing Fox News you know two to three times a week. Okay. Those people are all for him. He needs new votes, you need new vote teens. He choir practice is not going to win this election he needs new voters. John last quick thing for me. You said several weeks ago, which was quite wise and I'm paraphrasing. In light of the fact that it is very possible that. This in fact, likely the election will not be decided on November third. It's also possible that Donald Trump will be ahead because obviously more in-person votes which favor him will be counted and it may turn around as the right in as the mail in ballots are counted. We have an obligation to prepare the public for what will be an unusual count. Are we doing an adequate job preparing the public or are they still? Going to. Be. Willing to accept a victory declaration assuming the numbers are there on night one from Donald Trump. I. Think Look I know you guys are doing it and we are driving conway. I try to do it every day What does that mean that if the President Declares Victory on Wednesday morning and says, stop counting the ballots in Pennsylvania Wisconsin, it's a fraud it's rigged. The Democrats are sneaking in ballots That's the nightmare scenario right that one of the candidates and because of his behavior everyone assumes this would be the president would say, I, demand just stopped account I'm winning I don't. Trust, what's going on where these ballots coming from? You know do you know that? Would you see trump supporters go into the streets and start saying the election is over I that's one of the things people are preparing for I. Hope it doesn't happen I I. I hope it doesn't happen I. Hope Everybody whose votes and support their candidate and has the patience to wait for the count. Again to my point, you know there are election watchers are people in their the Republican Party and the. Democratic Party neutral observers can watch the count if they see something that's wrong. Raise your hand. You know yes there's always issues during account if that belt fair where's the signature but there's none of this massive fraud, the president talks about. But I do think people need to be prepared that you might not know the answer on Tuesday night I also think though Florida North Carolina two states that that so far officials there say they think they can do most of the counting even with the. Male unbalanced. They can do most of it on election day I. Think we will get some clues on election night if the president wins both of those states strap in, we've got a very competitive election. If Joe Biden wins either Florida or North Carolina we may not be able to declare a winner that night but the math will be the math in the map would be pretty clear. We'll be watching you that night John John thanks so much for your time we really appreciate it John. Care Guy. To John Cain joists every week he's seen as chief national correspondent and anchor of inside politics, which you can catch weekdays and Sunday Mornings at eight. Thanks again John doerr listen to eighty nine seventy B. H. Boston public. Okay. We're almost out of time I just want to you know you make a plan for voting that's all I know it's not an original thought. We Gilani Cobb on today we had John King on today who we had a cow rose on today. We also had the head of the Boston Petroleum Association, but he didn't talk about voter suppression and make A. Plan I mean you're only two weeks ago if you're not, well, you PR voting in person make a plan. If you're not voting in person, you really gotTa make a plan to make sure your vote counts. So do it now and also don't forget that match dollar for dollar match. That's it. We're done that's right. Ten minutes to go to make that dollar matching. This show south wherever you can do? Do it now. Anyway, we also appreciate your listen to us every day means a lot to us tune in tomorrow. Our medical ethicist are captain will be here our national security expert, Juliet km they wanNA. Thank our crew Chelsea Murs Zoe Matthews had a you believe in Conley Engineer John The claw Parker did Goldstien a Mile Smith of the engineers who run a remote studios what's on TV Tonight Jim? Well, actually I hope people see this as a service. We're GONNA do to speed debates. We're GONNA do fifteen minutes on question one and fifteen minutes on question two. Sides represented. There's a decent amount of confusion and I will either add to the confusion tonight or attempt to cut through it, and my goal is the ladder. So seven o'clock to seven thirty, all debate all the time on the two ballot questions, both of which are important. Yeah. Question question one is the is the mechanics and the dealerships. Right, your pair and the second one is the. Voting. Yeah a lot of confusion about both Cajun. Thank you very much. I'm Marsha Regan I. Am Jim Brian thanks so much for being here and don't forget that match disappears in exactly eight minutes dollar for dollar match. Okay hoping tune in tomorrow. Bye Bye.

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"Support for Boston public radio comes from DC. You offering a checking account with three levels of benefits. You can visit one of their twenty, two locations throughout Massachusetts, and New Hampshire to learn more what will dc you mean to you insured by NCUA membership required head on Boston Public Radio Mass General Brigham just told its workers the stay home 'til next summer what's your reaction enter you suffering from remote worker out? Take your calls. Then the Bruins Baba was I. Now, the Goalie took ask head at home for the rest of the playoffs saying they're more important things in life than hockey blasts, NBC Sports Boston reporter trend because Derek about this and the incredible cross country journey of three teenage cyclists I'm Jared Bowen filling in for Margery eagan last night the Democrats kicked off their nominating process. With a series of virtual speeches, including and starring Michelle Obama and Bernie Sanders. But despite being the Democratic National Convention and to the Chagrin of many of the party's Base Republicans like John Casick and Meg Whitman were also given prime time speaking slots later will hear it former DNC CEO Steve Kerrigan thought of night one when he joins us now to head on. Boston public radio. Looking into Boston public radio I'm Jim Brady. Margarita again is missing. L. Knows what her deal is jarred. Bone executive arts editor W chew through the zoom camera as Judy Os just talking about the secretary of state saying a million people requested mail-in ballots one, hundred and forty, nine, thousand. I think I heard right jared have already cast those ballots jared mouthing to me I believe what he was saying since I can read lips. He has yet to get his ballot that correct him another day. I mean I can't remember the last time I do remember last summer is excited to go to the post office to go to my mailbox. Send the little UPC codes from cereal boxes in. So I can get my little toy from general mills or whatever. So yeah. Every day like yesterday got home ran to the random my mailbox. Ballots. Still News for you Thursday. You're not alone I haven't gotten mine either by the way, but the secretary of state sound confident. So keep hope alive in any case. They march eleven the WHO declared the coronavirus outbreak to be a pandemic. By Friday, most of us were told to work from home for two weeks, those two weeks quickly became two months. Those two months are now approaching six months and for people working at Mass General Brigham. That's a new name in the combine thing that work from home water has been extended I'm sheer read at this morning to June. Of Twenty twenty one D- underscore how temporary we also have the situation would be a great story in the BBC that Mary Louise Brennan is her name from Glasgow quote awoke on May Twelfth. Remember. To Bananas She had left insider desk before the pandemic trigger lockdown she was so worried are the liquefied and created a Maggot outbreak and she went off the see what damage been done and it turns out. Not much. She found a dried up piece of fruit all black in her desk drawer. So with mass I, don't even know I brought that up with Mass General Brigham for the image, the state's largest private employer extending its work from home water for thousands of its employees into nearly next summer. What does this say to the rest of it doesn't mean we won't be getting back seeing soon as a mean we may never really go back to work. Is it a turning point in the pandemic a realization that going back to life? Is. A real way off a long way off the number eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy. Are you ready to work from home for a really long time if you are. I read a survey this morning two-thirds of us who thought we were lucky at the beginning of this to be able to work at home. We weren't essential workers to go in two thirds of US say were suffering from remote worker burnout are you among them? Eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eighty, nine, seventy it shouldn't have been jared but I have to say it was really sobering when I read the story in the globe this morning it was. June of twenty. Twenty. One. Is I. Know You know this is almost another year? And I assume obviously they could. Draw date forward if things move rapidly. But that is sobering isn't it? I mean I remember having hard enough time when Gbh was telling us in two expands in April. Okay. It'll the another two weeks and then how hard it was when they said Okay not until the end of May. So. Yeah to understand this long and I understand why they're doing it. They they want it's very timed to the school year so that people parents can make long range plans as they. Do. But it's I think even this far into it where we've adopted, we figure things out and we figured. Out How to do this? It's still so sobering and so dispiriting to recognize it. It's probably. The person who I think is trusted most on this as well. You should be until proven otherwise Anthony Fauci, who said he was cautiously optimistic. There'd be vaccine by the end of this year early next. I'd like to think that I am not a science denier. In fact, I'm a huge science believer but I assume not alone and said, well, if he's cautiously optimistic, it could be January maybe it could be December and who knows with this operation warp speed or whatever it's called maybe even the end November by. Thanksgiving. Is that possible when you read it again the biggest private employer and say not all of its workers obviously some come in but tens of thousands of them till next some it just it makes a statement even though I think it is respectful of employs make a great point about schools. Further clarification, which we shouldn't need that. This is not about the end anytime soon when I read this two-thirds burnout. We talked yesterday, Ken? Duckworth. Who is The key guy on mental health issues, Bluecross Blueshield and Nami. Nationally You're not surprised when you hear the fifty three percent of people say that so far is only five plus months in that the pandemic has taken a toll on their mental health. Those numbers are going to grow you know the isolation it's I really I am one who by the way at the beginning said, how lucky him I they can. Bring the equipment to do radio and TV here. But there's a point at which the monotony, the lack of contact your work life you've related to your co workers of them can't stand. Of course at least you're and they you but it's it's it's really hard and this I guess this report this morning had a more profound impact on me that maybe. I. Would Have Thought Eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, hundred, nine, hundred. What's your reaction to the word that and by the way they're not alone I think Zuckerberg is saying essentially the same thing to Google he's actually saying that he can. He sees that fifty percent I'm not Google facebook fifty percent of the facebook employs are probably GonNa permanently work at home. So how are you adjusting to the notion that even when we do get past this phase that things are going to be very different from what we've spent our whole work lives? Experiencing you know in twitter has said everybody who wants to at some point we'll probably just be likely able to from from home for good and I think for there's something psychological to about this I need that barrier that distinction between work and home like you. I had the same thing I had all of his TV equipment at home. When I we first started working from home and I couldn't wait to get all of it out of my my my view so that I didn't have to look at it every time I went into. Into my house because you you you don't want to necessarily mix both in for a lot of people they have the table has become the office. You've got it all piled up. So you have this omnipresent reminder of work. Even if you love work is I think we both do you need to have a separation and this this take some adjusting to you don't also a margin I often talk she's a much more social creature than than I am. However, and I think that's a fair I don't know if she means criticism fair observation on her point it. You don't know what you got gone to quote Joni Mitchell I. Think for two times in two days now it's like you're not. Conscious of the fact that being surrounded in every direction by co workers and interesting conversation gossip and the Xerox machine or whatever the copying machine is is doing that noise. It's really part of your life you know, and by the way I drove by the library, the central branch for the first time in weeks the other night and when I see the Gbh logo in the window of that incredibly beautiful building across from the news feed cafe. What are we going to do that for a year or six months or and by the way the Gbh directive if I read, the notes correctly is we're talking about the end of the year. Already that most of us are told that the vast majority of us GBH GonNa work from home it's it's it's dispiriting I. Guess I'd Say Eight, seven, seven, three, zero, one, eight, nine, seventy. So a couple of questions on the table what's your reaction when you hear that major? In this country from. Mass General Brigham to facebook or saying next summer and maybe next summer starting next summer before a huge percentage of the workforce is never coming back to work and how about this burnout statistic if you're were lucky enough in quotes at the beginning of this pandemic to be remote worker, how lucky are you feeling five months in a seven? Three zero one, eighty, nine, seventy. Let's start with Marie calling from natick. High. Murray Mary. Hi Maria. Sorry. High. That's high. So I just wanted to a lot of my fans I a physician on the Internet. And then I did a fellowship in genetics and when I was transitioning into being done with training and starting my work life. I was just starting my family and I made a huge jump and stopped working in a hospital and started working for a laugh met allowed me to work from home. I've been doing work from home seeing twenty fifteen. On what I hear people going through now is exactly how I felt that the beginning finding that these work and it's also home i. am there all the time the kids are interrupting me all the time. There's noise their stuff he was very hard. I missed my co workers I miss having coffee in the middle of Dr Noon I made all that. But then it eventually became a routine on when I knew. BC's good. He's GonNa be my schedule. I started like I know what time I wake up I come my work the kids know off at the door is closed they do not interrupt. I'm working from home takes two hours out of whom commute does not why have to spend time with the kid? My breaks like my lunch break is not with coworkers but I have lunch with my kids every day I've learned to enjoy this other thing. And I think once you change your mindset for that, I put. Now the weekends are not for their family that we can start to see my friends because I'm with my family every day Maria by the way you sound like a really healthy, well adjusted person unlike at least one of us I don't know maybe two of us, but beyond that I would say the difference though between what you experience in your growth and evolution about this worker home thing. You weren't required to work at home if you had decided at some point that you wanted to change your work environment. You could have which I think. I'm guessing was a was a liberating. Opportunity even if you didn't take it workers now those are working at home Donovan Choice. You know. So don't you think that as a different psychological impact than what you experienced? Eight absolutely ease. But by working from home, you're also allowed so mobility. So I work, I never considered going back to Mike freeview live before. my family's overseas and the type of job that I do allows me to be here in the states for ten months out of the year, and then I used to take the kids back home for the summer I think continue working from home. It was part of my routine, but it was you kind of vacation at the same time. Of course, it didn't happen these year and I don't know if we will happen next year but working from home has been actually a positive thing in my life once I changed my mindset like this is the new normal how we make it work your great. That was a great first call really glad you made it. Thanks so much for making. Maria needs to have a book or Netflix special. She's really. Explaining all of that. But she's thought it through. It, which I have a hard time. I have been emotional reaction everything difficult. Do It's the truth she basically sounds like I you know I'm a way out the pros and cons by the way I live an hour from work I'm only ten minutes from Gbh, but the Marjorie makes fun of me. I have time said it's not just the absence of a commute. You don't have to make lunch. You don't have to make breakfast, which is a real pain I mean you do but you make it right in your house and That is a real plus but. To See it as plus in my ability after five months theaters plosser to different animals I guess I, think expectations are really important here too I. think that's why it's also helpful to know that it may not be if your employer says it's much may not be until the end of June and then what how exciting will be if you if the vaccine does come and it? Gets turned around and administered quickly, and you can go back in February but it to kind of chase that keep chasing that ball thinking it's going to be February but no, it's not i. mean that's it helps a lot. So I think that's why these employers are really smart to. Maybe let's go to Andy and Cambridge. You're next on Boston public radio welcome entity. Hi. Thanks very much. Jim Jared. I've been working from home since March like everybody else but I was also on the essential workers list. So I've gone in about once a week. Since since this all started but. I'm sitting in my bedroom in space that I put together. That's about five feet by five feet and go out and buy a huge screen to do my work on. It's driving me and bananas how you deal with I mean heard Maria, who is adjusting incredibly well, how are you trying to adjust I mean I, assume going in a day a week in some ways is helpful as it not because of break some monotony but when your home for the other four high dealing with. When I'm here for four. Well, right now, I hear to leaf blowers outside. Different frequencies and that's I've got heavy equipment going by because I live A. Soon to be bike path and you're taking my house How am I doing? Well, I have I plans with my wife I it's a shorter actually. Shorter days sometimes, it goes longer because. I'm sitting in we're. Focused on my screen for just hours and hours on end. So I I don't think I'm focusing well. Andy don't think I'm dealing while is what I mean. You're the perfect counter way to Maria I mean we really get both ends of the spectrum in the first. Five minutes. Andy thanks for the call. We appreciate I I'll be truthful. So truthful to the happiest I've been during. This has been the last few weeks when I've been because I'm coming into the studio. To do the show to work with our. June. And Chelsea and John to have that interaction again has just meant the world to me. It's really tremendous. Could you do me a favor? Just remind me are June Chelsea John or who again? They're all the vital team members you have. They worked on the show they work in the show I. Always think send sending my. There's ones who are physically president. Of course, we have a team but yeah. That's I appreciate it and I see I mean I can appreciate and the rare I come in every maybe a day every few weeks and it's it's a nice released. But friend it doesn't do the trick that's eighteen in Quincy welcome Tina Hi. Hi. I I am actually in my office today. So my one day week and I called you guys I I didn't. I was raving about how happy I was having to work at home and all the benefits of it, and I still feel the same way and I actually think when the time comes. If I do have to come back to the office five days a week I think it's going to be very difficult I mean they can just switch back. Don't you think by the way? I I mean. The hybrid reality is I think again I haven't studied this at all I could be way off but I think the hybrid reality is the future. Dina don't you is. If it turns out that employers find out not all of them that The Tina's of the world can work just as effectively at home, which means they don't have to pay for office space heat and all those things and you're happier which means you'll be more productive. Don't you think the ultimate product is that people like you are going to work a few days at work and a few days at home? That's like. I would hope. So I I would hope. So yeah, I do have to co workers in the office now but I am the extent of my interaction with them today we'll be hello and goodbye like I in my area there in their area. So I don't I don't need the interaction I admire the people. But I I am in my own space and I'll be until I leave here this. Evening and I probably will force myself to go out and take a lunch even though that might mean I am here a little bit later tonight but I'll try to get as much done not doing this stuff I can do at home I'll do the only thing. I can do on them in the office do you dealing with the absence of human or at least reduction of human contact? I'm doing just fine. I didn't really need a lot of it to begin with to be honest like I would say, why in this everybody in I, there's no response from me. And Honest Woman Tina thanks for the thanks for the call. Appreciate you said, can duckworth yesterday the doctor. The physical it's not just being in the physical presence, the fiscal conduct contact thing when you even tap on the shoulder, somebody walks over your desk and taps you on the show. Again, you have no idea that that's meaningful at the time, but the absence of you feel. laughing. No never mind. I'm not going to share this story of a one of our colleagues. Yeah. Well, it's a little late to share we. Literally, bump into one another all the time it was. Our little joke. Yeah, WHO'S Zita what do you mean bump into each bump into me and she works with me too well, I guess you haven't reached that stage yet. So at the water cooler or not. But the one thing I will tell you that I think we've mastered a lot. We figured a lot out but the one thing I realized that we haven't figured out is especially in our business, you have an open newsroom and you have it that way for reasons. So you can hear ideas, you can show ideas you can have those conversations we can no longer sit with. Our editors to have that back and forth it's really hard to do over email. So it's that exchange of ideas that has gets completely lost I think well, not just in the newsroom. The beauty of being GBH said, this a million times we have the luxury that almost no worker does of being in a building where you go downstairs is the world you go a few doors down there's frontline Nova. There's I mean master. Every direction you turn is like this explosion of ideas and wonderful people and that is totally irreplaceable and obviously we're not gonNA experience. For Cooper. We take a brief break here. We are talking about working from home asking you if it no longer seems like a temporary solution but a permanent situation, the conversation continues on eighty nine, seven W. G., B. H. Boston, public radio. Back to Boston. Public Radio Jim Brady jarred bonus kind enough to sit in for Martin. Regan after last week he sat in for me in any case if you're just tuning in, we're taking your calls asking about Mass General Brigham extending the work from home rule to next June you heard right June twenty twenty one while a number of tech companies, Google facebook, and ready done this truly happening close to home as the state's largest private employer telling thousands of its workers again, not till the middle of next year rescue it's an indicator but awaits the rest of us who. Are Lucky enough to still of a job and have been asked to work from home as it further evidence that this isn't going away anytime soon, and for those of you like me who thought at the beginning of this in March, you were lucky to be able to work at home and still get paid or you still feel lucky or are you amongst the I think it's sixty nine percent of remote workers who said in a recent survey that they feel burnt out eight, seven, seven, three, zero one, eighty, nine, seventy. Let's go to Tom in Cambridge. Hi Tom Hello. Tom. Hello. I only need my usual thirty seconds to say you have UNBC remote course. Ends tomorrow, and after a month of break that which I will appreciate I'll be looking forward to teaching remotely again in in the fall and I think that there are far too many people in this country who are calculating how little precautions they can take against covid nineteen and escape the consequences at least for them. It's time pastime to get serious about this and Oliver work remotely as long as I have to to beat the virus Fan, I should know this time. But as you mass Boston already declared that it's remote exclusively remote come full. Yes except for the central lab courses which have to be done in person, it's a good decision, but it's somewhat less notable considering that you be has very few students that live on on campus. So they're losing less revenue than say be you which has the worst possible approach to this. When you say worst possible rush meaning what have kids physically back. Yes yes. Come come to campus for in person and remote learning requiring waivers about liability. They're definitely not doing enough to protect the staff who are gonNA. Be Forced to work and don't have enough p. e. social distancing. It's it's to be a disaster and most colleges in by mid October. The end of October I think are going to be going remote, which they should do now spit us the health experiment. Tom I, happen to agree that last comment completely. Thanks Very. Much for the call, you know despite complaining about the loneliness of the remote worker after say one time when I'll feel lucky again as per tom's call is when the tens of thousands of freshman while nachos freshman but college types end up back in town I. Mean I. Know they're taking. We hear about all the testing they're planning to do all the precautions. I worry about that presence to particularly since a lot of those people are coming from hotspot states that sort of thing. So. Good, point. That's a whole other talk. Of course, all of the the patterns of behavior that we're seeing all the kids that are going to school already across the country UNC. They're usually concerning when they all come back. You know when you see those speaking of that I, know this is not an original thought when I, there's not a day that goes by that I don't see a picture on the Times website or the Washington Post website of some huge gathering of hundreds of L- Eighteen or twenty somethings I just i. sort of were Tom from Cambridge I don't understand that grotesque selfishness I mean if you WanNa get sick and you're going to go home and you live by yourself, you're stupid but I can live with that. The notion that people are willing to do that to people that they care. In the world is just it is the ultimate act of selfishness and. Sadism as far as I'm concerned assistance grotesque. Case. Is it Dana and Linda I pronounce I hope I got to write a Dana is that you? Know Dan Dan Nice to nicer. That's okay. Well I'm yeah I'm burnt out I've hit a wall last week was was so hard for me. I think I just. Sort of had a crash and just realize Asian that if I'm well I'm a single person working at home since March like a lot of us and Mike Jared and you reflected I mean this work life balance there's no balance there's no boundaries and more It's really exhausting to sort of be in my kitchen and think about is this the time to eat or is this the time to work with my computer? So? Drawing. Those boundaries have been really really difficult so and it's isolating I'm a single person. So like you you know going to the water, you know the cooler or the kitchen just to like chat and make boundaries is really important and I'll tell you the only way I've survived. I'll tell you is just tuning in at eleven to look. Marjorie jared really. I mean it's it's really helped me sort of on this. You know that I'm not alone. So it's been really important I want you to know after that comment I will never miss pronounce your name again, I'll be clear. That was great. Can I ask you is is the kind of work you do such that all of your co workers are working at home or what's the deal with your? What's the deal? Yeah. That's a really good question I work in healthcare and some of the clinicians have returned So it's kind of half the team what I have done to function is I begged my direct or can I just come in one day a week to the office? and so she's allowed me to do that. So that's been sort of a nice anchor during the week to look forward to okay. The routine getting in the car going to the office checking in. So that's been really helpful and I just want to say I feel very privileged that I can number one work remotely and and number two that I'm working period so. But this bone out is real. It's real and I think the hybrid model might be key just kind of transitioning back at least one day a week or do what we can. To sort of have some routine back in our life He was sure those are great coal and I'm really glad you said what we should've said twenty five minutes ago, which is how lucky we are to still be drawing a paycheck. How lucky we are to have the option to be able to complain about remote working because we're able to work remotely, which means we're safer even if it's psychologically difficult in some. Circumstances a great point but you know the more I listen people like Dan and others the more and the woman who called him it was a teen I can't remember who gone in one day a week thing I really think that I'm sure. HR Types I. Hope they're thinking about this some sort of hybrid thing. For a whole variety of reasons if it is. A good public health thing. is is really not only important not important for transition important for transition ultimately, but also important for sanity and to maintain connection. Now you know even I obviously we stipulate it has to be safe and careful, but it is a even one day I. Think is a huge boost. Can I just tell you a really sweet story every you start talking about the the banana women left in her office. Glasgow. Concern to get back to it, every office needs needs Mary Blake weeks who we here on our air in news. She went around because she's also coming into the office. You went around rescuing all the plants in the newsroom and there are a lot these set them all over her desk. So she's watering them taking care of them. It's really beautiful created this little conservatory just to her space because she was looking out for it. So you. Isn't that Nice but you know I've been in I've walked in the newsroom by the way everybody's working quite hard. I should say but very few or doing it physically in the building. Jarring. When you walk into newsroom that you're used to be used to experience really poppin in every direction you look and there's Mary Blake sitting at her desk or Chelsea or are June or whoever you were. I, mean it really is intellectually you know that's what you're going to encounter. But when you do it, talk about jarring Jesus. Well, I always for some reason thought a lot about the world without us. And there's even that book you what happens when there aren't people and then now I feel like when I'm walking the halls of Gbh, I realize it when you feel like you can walk through unencumbered and do whatever you want because there really isn't anybody there. We know there are cameras. So some the only good thing is when you come and you can steal so many opinions without worrying it is so. Great. Somebody's coffee last week. Did you take pod curing? Maybe Samantha in Boston maybe not Samantha you're next on Boston public radio. How're? You doing, Samantha. there. How are you? Good Hi. I'm telling just just offer a different perspective in the sense of I'm someone you have chronic illness and chronic pain and. You know this has been something that folks with disabilities advocating for for. So long in suddenly it's something that we have this opportunity to be working from home and we work in Foley, and it's just a been a life changer for me in the sense of like you know I don't have this pressure and the things. I. Already to be present when I don't need. You. So I can take breaks when I can work around the clock and have a little bit more relaxed environment. Do you worry though the people's that employers tolerance for this kind of option is going to disappear in the pandemic? It's never going to despair when when the threat of the pandemic lessons the worry that the tolerance for different work styles is going to this to. Definitely I mean I'm experiencing that right now because I work in Youth Development Education so I'm trying to face with a real Dilemma of this pressure, we understand that used, who are you people experiencing the same thing as adults are, and I think like bringing the conversation about mental health is really important and so I'm feeling that pressure and I know that everybody's feeling pressure to. Come back to normal life, but we have to recognize that lights. NORMAL NORMALIZATIONS EVERYBODY Took really glad you added that to the conversation we should done that earlier but I'm really glad you did thanks for your Thanks for your call. Right. Well, coming up the running back turned president of the Washington Football, Team Sports Authority trendy crews, and Eric joins us for that more eighty nine seven w. g. b.. H.. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public radio jared bone sitting in for marjory. I'm Jim Browder join line over the latest headlines at the intersection of sports and society is trending because they're turns an anchor and reporter for NBC Sports Boston and APPR contributor. Hey, they're trying. Morning Guys. How are yeah we're good. Thank you. I've so excited to talk to you about this story about Jason Right. This is such a great story here we have this running back who decided earlier on in his career that he had to have other avenues and other l.. Let's go to business school, and now we find that he is the NFL's first black team President I mean he took care of himself and he is making history here tell us about him. Yeah, it's pretty amazing and I feel like this is a story that everything else is sort of you know got lost in the news cycle about the Washington football team formerly known as the offensive nickname redskins were awaiting a new nickname. Are, really just the progressive bull by the horns are they have one of the few minority head coaches and Ron Rivera and now they have the first african-american. President for their football team. Jason Right in his story. Guys is really interesting because he wasn't a great player played for like five different teams in the NFL is best year he rushed for like two hundred, seventy, seven yards. If you know anything about football, there's guys you get that almost one entire game they're really good. But you know sometimes those guys are the best at the business aspect and so he went and he got an Mba he's been working for McKinsey and Company and International Consulting Firm. He's helped reshape government agencies, industrial companies universities, and he's really looked at how to change cultures of Industries and so what say what you want about Daniel Snyder and the Washington football team and they have been egregiously disgusting. Over the past couple of decades but you know I I'm sure much of this. I don't want to give too much credit Daniel. Snyder is an effort to save face to save his ownership to not have. Other. Board members and CO owners back out and pull out of their investment in the team. But whatever the reason is ending up in something good because as we've learned if you don't have people. and. Women in these positions that are predominantly dominated by white men then changed never happens. So however we get there, I will take it. I'm so glad you said what you said because Snyder is I think for anybody who's been a even a casual student of Daniel. Snyder which I guess I've been he is a despicable creature in for those who've just tuned into this whole debate. In the last few months Snyder said, what did he say over my dead body won't? Football team. All of a sudden accounts. Okay. Until all of a sudden, exactly the empty win. Fedex. Or whoever the sponsor of the stadium was said, we're pulling it unless you change the name and all of a sudden he had an epiphany. So I'm with you regardless of the motivation it's important for the sport what percentage of the players in the NFL or African Americans and sixty seventy. Percent Well. Area we're not yeah. We're not there yet but every step forward is an important step forward because again, you look at some Jason Right and now maybe Jason Right Hires people under him to report maybe historically hadn't been considered for those positions and then you just build a you know A. A well, to draw from which know unfortunately right now is still sadly lacking in many. Positions of leadership and power. So trillion and all the years we've been doing this with you. This is the first time I've ever been excited about having a hockey discussion. We know the red sox are atrocious. We can talk about that if. We know that the Celtics won their first playoff game last night we can talk about that if you want, and we know that the the bruins are in a role but the interesting hockey story for those who are not tuned in is not that they're winning but that their star Golly the winningest goalie in the history of the franchise announced what was it ninety minutes before game to the other day yet he was in court relieving the bubble. Going home to be with family know great details. I can't remember a situation at least a time situation like this where the player who is so central to his team could you tell the story and as much as you know about? Yeah I mean I was shocked. So I'll give you a little lead up to this story. So the Burns obviously been playing in this bubble, they lost game two to the Carolina Hurricanes. And in the post game comments to go rask talked about how boring it was to play not play in front of any fans how it was really hard to get energized that it was a struggle to be in this environment in everybody rips him six ways to Sunday I. think that was on a Thursday we all ripped him on Friday and then Saturday comes out that he is leaving the team and he didn't even tell head coach Bruce Cassidy he left a note saying that he was going to leave to tend to his family now. There are a number of different ways that you can that you can go with this my initial. I'll be very blunt. My initial response was, are you kidding me to go like you're such a baby and you're not having fun you're going home but the more I thought about it and the more I talked to some people closer circles around hockey. Does seem I guess his wife just had a baby? He was really conflicted about whether or not to leave his family for such an extended period of time an answer remember Toco left the team I think it was two seasons ago. Now he left the team for somewhere around a week I think it was a total of three games. He took a leave of absence because he also is dealing with issues at home with his family. Ended up coming back and being fine. This is not the first time that he's had some things to take care of at home. and. So you know and as a mental health advocate, it's like I have to reshape my brain. I can't go into sports reporter like your ruining the bruins chances at winning a Stanley Cup need to go into humanity form which is. You know being in that environment is really difficult and not everybody can articulate it the way Jim you weren't here last week but jared and Marjorie and I talked about this you know Jalen Brown very eloquently put last week. How difficult it is to be in the situation that these guys are in your completely isolated your family and your friends and the only people you're around our your teammates and the other hockey players in that time little bubble answer a mental health standpoint that can be really wearing on some guys and I I don't claim to know Juku Rask's mental health background I. Don't know if that is what's going on I don't know if there really is a health issue and his family that he just prefer not to share with the public, but the bottom line is we don't know, and so if we are going to de-stigmatising mental health issues, we are going to be more open and conscientious about these things then I think you have. To unless more information comes out and we find out that he just wait on his team, which to me is completely different if you just are like, Oh, this isn't fun. So I'm quitting that's different than I'm really struggling with some things and being in this environment is not allowing me to perform at the line, each perform, and then walking away. So I'm at. At this point at least right now, I'm trying to be very empathetic with him and try to understand how difficult it is and just because you make seven million dollars does it erase the things that you're going to know with that said, this isn't the first time that too because had to walk away at a crucial juncture y'all so did it before Finland, played Sweden. In. A in a in a major. World Cup type match or Olympic matchup forget what it was. I again, it was him having to take some time away having a step away. You know the reality is that you have to then if player isn't. Doing what's necessary to keep himself on the ice? In a mental standpoint. Then maybe you do have to step away from that I sending go in a different direction because if you can't do your job, they need to find someone who can do the job. Do that where things touching do you know more than you're comfortable telling about what the reasons? I really don't. I heard a couple of rumors about what it has to do with it. I. Don't feel comfortable sharing knows because they have been confirmed but I, I mean, honestly, I've heard like one or two things and both are sort of like family new baby related. I. Think I heard one yesterday about something about like. That adept baby or daughter or something who had. But it wasn't again. It was like I was listening to it on the radio and I didn't hear it so I. It wasn't concerned. But the bruins line is everybody is happy and healthy. This was just a family issue that he needs to tend to. Both Games right since they walked out. They've won both games. They won the first game that he left pretty convincingly yesterday they were down to nothing. You're a Slob who lock who is the backup goalie now, the starting goalie for the Bruins gave up to pretty soft goals early on but in the third period. So they were down to nothing going into the third period and the Bruins scored four goals in two of those four in the span of seven minutes. And ended up beating hurricanes, and now there are three one in the series and they could clinch this series on Wednesday without David Posture. Not even arguably definitely their best offensive player and with out their seven million dollars a year golden corral. We'll before we leave this. What does this mean going forward unto fronts. So one he's left the bubble. So can you not come back or after a certain amount of time a quarantine to contract? Wise. What happens when you leave? By the way the question is, can you re bubble believe technical? So That's a great question, Jerry he can read bubble it's a little convoluted, but the long and short of it is it teaches us to redouble. He'd have to go through like a seat after quarantine for fourteen days he have to go and during those fourteen days I believe he'd have to have four negative. Kobe tests during that time. So but so by. The time he would be able to return. They might be pretty deep into the postseason or out altogether as far as the contract goes jared, they are allowed the bubble. Of course, this was all voluntary. You cannot knoller void someone's contract because they chose to walk away but Kevin Paul Dupont wrote a pretty interesting hall was I think I sent you guys. About his future with the Bruins and Kevin doesn't just throw things against the wall to see if they stick. My guess is it is an educated informed opinion. that. He may be a trade candidate I. think There are fifteen teams that to has okayed a trade to, and it sounds like ca like Kevin might be hearing. and. Thus suggesting that a trade might might be in the cards for to Harasser seen took harass plays last game in a bruins. Uniform. So before we leave pro sports because you and we want to talk about this story that really excited you about these cyclists than it is so rich and so great. Is You know when you grow up watching baseball actually listened the baseball more than I. watched it. You're so attuned to a long season even though it wasn't quite as long when I was a kid as it is now that when you wake up and a sixty game season, rather one hundred and sixty, two game season and your team, your home team is doing poorly historically you sort of laugh it off you complain a little bit. you start poorly in short season like I guess it's like the other sports actually and cooked the socks are. Sean McDonalds McDonalds is one of the I. Think one of the I don't know what you think. I. Think one of the greatest broadcasters ever has been doing did the Yankees series? He added to the Radio Team I just love listening to him. Are, so funny just fabulous spend any case. They are horrible and almost laughably horrible and in a short season that's means curtains right Oh my God they're the worst team in the American league they're so bad. They couldn't I. Let us go try and pitch for the red sox and be like. Three hundred thousand dollars. Across the plate, but I'll try. Better than what you have felt you can do it maybe. Yeah. I mean it is so bad and you know what the sad thing is. It's actually think getting the stories probably getting a little overlooked by how bad they are because it to sixty game season like let's not forget. If Cote? Okay. If coded less than coveted, never happened and it was just your regular one, hundred, sixty, two game season the only thing different about this team, we'd be that water Rodriguez would be pitching that'd be that'd be the only difference. That's the team that the red SOx world out there this year is so laughably bad and I mean, the offense isn't terrible but but they're not great. But the pitching is so atrocious and just it has to be your rating. If you're like a die hard red sox fan to look at their payroll to look at what they've won to understand the economics of baseball and think to yourself. This is what we've got. I've got like my two best. The two best pitchers right now are Nathan Aldean barten- Peres you're trying not like Ryan Weber Kyle. Harper I didn't let the kids saying I dunno humidity his Major League debut an terrible. Training in all fairness to the team though I mean Chris Sale had that Tommy John Surgery. The way they probably taking care of earlier Jim. Like Chris Sales Elbow has been garbage for two years they. They should remember after they won the world series and they signed Chris Sale. So that long extension, every single one of us who covers of the cover the red sox. One of us to all but maybe like one or two through our hands, like you know like the frats forehead emoji that you send to people and Thatcher's what are you doing? This is a guy who's coming off like arm and elbow problems and you just science we huge. Okay but You can't. You can't know that only the covid nineteen is coming but one of your pitchers is going to develop a heart disorder as Rodriguez done as a result. So I give them a little more shitting. Signed Chris sale to massive size deal off the season in which he didn't even catch all of it because yet arm problems, you need your arm Defense Jeb or you do need your, that's the part that I left out. We're talking attorney. Marjorie off. Can We? Can with that is cruel. I'm going to save that tape. Can you tell the story this incredible incredible story of these a kids while I'm one nanking recruits. Who put when the their rear tire I think it was in the in the ocean or the Bay in San Francisco. Well tell the story tell the story. I found a New York Times yesterday I. Love It because I love a good distance. Radic story of any type but there it was supposed to be I think six or seven high school kids high school graduates from northern California from the bay area. We're GONNA ride across country. Even. Before again before Kobe happened and then it ended up that four of them stuck with it plus A. Teacher chaperone who is John Across country ride before and they just wanted it was just something that they wanted to do. They wanted to see America and you know. Go off to college with a a sort of. A great experience but obviously, Kobe change things. So yeah, they dip their back tires in the Pacific Ocean and then started the riding from San Francisco to New York and the Times has caught up with them there somewhere. I think like I think they're pretty close to the east coast now. And I should have checked on instagram patriots the exactly where they are but they have just been riding through town after town after town and avoiding major cities because of Kobe trying to you know do things as as safely as possible. But what's been amazing is that it's given these these these young people, these four young people white in white kids by the way all of them are. An opportunity to see a different side of America but also reflects on their own privilege of just their skin color and understanding how different it would be if they looked different if they written a different economic position. They've been able to talk to people who Don't believe in science things. Kobe think Kobe is a hoax and it's made up and refuse to wear masks and yet they've been able to talk to people who have been directly affected by Cova. And have had their lives of ended a road a stretch with a friend of a friend who was a black a black man and Understood and as black person said, if we wrote I wrote do this town alone I would be able to ride through this town like it would not be safe for me and just to have their eyes open but I thought was interesting part about it was that because they're together. Day In and day out sometimes riding six, eight, nine hours a day one, they're all listening to audio books. It was interesting for me to see what books they were reading, what they were choosing to read into listen to. But then at night they have all of this time together because they're just camping right there just sleeping outside. Under sometimes in a Walmart parking lot sometimes in a field in the Midwest and so there's all this time to have like true deep discussions and really talk about difficult topics and a thoughtful non-confrontational manner which I think a lot of us just don't have the time or the opportunity and. I so envious and jealous of experience because I think that it can really use think about how literally life changing that can be at that age to experience. They said, they'd experienced the kindness. Of American people their doors to them, offering them food and a backyard to sleep in, and then they've also seen the opposite side where people haven't done his kind and then a little hostile towards them and then again juxtaposing that and then having the forethought in the wherewithal to say, this is how we're being treated as white kids in America. What have we were black kids or Latino. Kids were Indian kids in America, how different this experience might be in fact that they are so conscientious already about that gives me like so much hope for the future I just think it's a tremendous. You have a chance to read it sorta just it's an uplifting story in an otherwise Haida jargon depressing. I can speak to this a little bit. I've never done this bicycle I've taken several cross country trips last four years ago during the election the summertime in the exposure you have to all just as these kids are finding i. I wish I had found this at their age, but the understanding you come away with of our country, it's even in my age it changed me everybody. Maybe, everybody should do even if you're older maybe just go places that you have not gone before because it changes your perception of ozone walked in my daughter's bedroom. Trying to great to talk to you. Thanks. Actually thank you twenty joins us every week. 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With, no balloon drops with no crowds with none of the spark and spontaneity that comes with the coronavirus is undone. Everything that is conventional about pity convention but for oriented is literally captive. One that is adjusted their presidential campaign mediated by Zoom does it even matter after last night DNC kickoff is Democratic Party doing what it needs to do fire up the base win over progressives and some Republican voters to join US line for his take on last night's launch, Cardigan. Steve. Is the CEO of the Edward Kennedy Community Health Center and former CEO of the Democratic National Convention. Steve. Welcome and by the way we want you to know we really are sorry about the loss of your father. Thank you Jim thanks very much and Hello to both you and jared, glad to be here this morning by the way, is it true? We were told by one of our co workers you were sitting wherever you're sitting in a Gbh. Unsigned behind you is that drawers like Massachusetts providing everybody And GBH for everyone exactly interest for everyone. Right on. Your sustaining giver Sustaining Youtube can get this. Back during Pledge Week. High School of course echo gyms. Thoughts about your loss workers. I know how much he meant to you I know what a great son you were. So we're very sad to hear it. But transition to last night a lot of anticipation about how the Convention would unfold because it obviously cannot take place in person. So you don't have the big stacy's speeches. The balloon drops at Jim just mentioned instead this is essentially in many ways just a television production at this point with lots of moving parts moving all around the country lots of speakers, lots of different performance elements I'll cede my territory as the executive editor so that you can give your review as the DNC insider. So I will say I think it's I thought they did a great job and it is a very was a very high bar to clear and I- I commented just minutes in that I thought. The ones organizing those on the GOP organizing next week's convention. We're probably scrambling to to look at their plans to see how they could use some of the crew tools the Democrats. But there's a couple of things like every four years you try to change a convention to make a little bit more interesting. Make it unique. From four years before and usually every four years we fail in some measure and doing that and it looked relatively the same. But what the American public for the most part are seeing is what the Party and the candidate wants you to see whether it was four years ago in Philadelphia or in Charlotte with me war now in a much more organized on television productions but I thought, they did a a really john making it much more accessible, which is what? This convention is supposed to be is to try to find ways for. Voters across the country to access this convention in traditional conventions you Galileo at around four in the afternoon most folks lesser on C. Span don't pay much attention to that, and there's business against on right the platform I was on the platform committee this year for Vice President Biden that gets approved. You go through approving the rules and a number of other pieces that most Americans either don't know a occurs at a conventional don't care. And and then there is that piece in the evening hours between nine and eleven. So I think they've taken advantage of the two hour block. They have each night rather than a twenty minute speech from senator. Sanders last night, you had three minutes which refinements you you much more condensed messaging which makes it by nature a little bit more accessible. So when you did it in twenty twelve, obviously for Barack Obama do you sit home last night with longing or relief? You're not doing it this time. I will say I was on a text chain with no sign I team like a lot of the folks that I'm stay in touch with from twenty twelve last night watching every moment and longing. Yes. Because I love conventions. I love the experience of my love their role in democracy I love the whole piece of it. But I will say Joe Samis, who has my job this year? I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now, but it is. It is such. There is conventions are just like the pick sometimes Do No harm but also, they could be a colossal disaster for the candidates so You want to get in and out unharmed or in and out with a huge up and not really hurt yourself and I thought they really. Acquitted themselves very well with the planning by the way both the CEO and the Co are Massachusetts. Natives who were there? GIOVANI's yeah. who used to work for Governor Dukakis years ago the CEO and independence from Dorchester who's the chief operating officer you know by the way This I don't know if I have to disclose this. I didn't watch it last night. I taped it and watch this morning. So maybe at five am it's all different than is from nine pm no eleven but I was thinking about the traditional bump. You mentioned a minute ago that almost every candidate gets out of his well actually one case era, his or her. Convention and I'm not a student of this and obviously you are since you ran one, I can't imagine the stress, but that's for another for another day. While people mock the fact that they're twenty thousand. adoring loyalists who applaud every single positive word that anybody on the stage said. My analysis is part of the bump comes from the excitement and enthusiasm that you feel vicariously from I. Mean I've been to most last conventions last I don't know twenty years but when I watched on television to it's that excitement that get grabbed by as much as if not more than the content at least i. think that's the case. Do you not were worry about that? Because that is virtually I. mean they'll be moments of live stuff but do you not worry about how hard that is to recreate? Yeah so I was watching it last night. You missed the applause right which you applause sometimes covers any manner of sin. In a speech delivery. And so what I like when I get became appreciate, it lasts I'm watching it. With the increase production value and the real focus on. Every word that was spoken. The message was a lot clearer I think. Being ground out by drowned out by by applause, the applause is invigorating and energizing. But if you can call it down, I thought of Bernie Sanders speech last night, which was fantastic. Twenty sixteen we had floor fights during the platform debate and doing a hotel weren't as worst. We don't have that now and we have Bernie Sanders up there saying very clear. What's so yeah, I do think there's a big piece of the excitement and the energy but I don't know about you. I was moved pieces by other did. The national anthem. I. Aside with chorus from all across the country and. You you'll have those moments. They'll just be a little bit more programmed by the way. I. Realized that a lot of people weren't up at nine eleven or chose not to watch. So we pulled together. Some of the most interesting moments at least we thought what you'll hear here is i John Casick were talk about him in a minute the former Republican conservative governor of Ohio? Yes. At a Democratic convention. Bernie. Sanders I hope I pronounce her name right because she was great kristen. COUIZA whose father died from covid nineteen, and then the speech of the night and the line of the night from. Michelle Obama. I'm a lifelong Republican but that attachment hold second-placed my responsibility to my country. That's why I've chosen to appear at this convention. In normal times something like this would probably never happen. But these are not normal times. A future of our democracy is at stake. The future of our economy is at stake. The future of our planet is at stake we must come together defeat Donald Trump. And elect Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as our next president and Vice President Dad went to a karaoke bar with his friends a few weeks later. Put on a ventilator. And after five agonizing days, he died alone in the ICU, with a nurse holding his hand, my dad was a healthy sixty, five year old his only pre existing condition was trusting Donald Trump, and for that he paid with his life Donald Trump is the wrong president for our country. He has had more than enough time to prove that he can do the job, but he is clearly in over his head. He cannot meet this moment. He simply cannot be who we need him to be for us. It is what it is. It is what it is and I'll tell you that was the moment where I said to myself you missed the crowd because when she echoed the pathetic comment of the current president about one hundred and seventy, one, hundred and seventy thousand deaths then but pretty close it is what it is. The place, the building would have shut but I'll tell you that pre existing line from the young woman whose father dot it. You're right the content was just was just really Powerful Chris put together and that's my question for you. Steve is is how you see the programming here because while I I'm even just listening to that compilation that we just. Kind of lands with thought almost on radio because you don't hear that applause you don't hear the room essentially however when you're watching last night, it was programmed directly to you. It was tailor-made to you. Direct Michelle Obama was looking you in the I, if you were sitting there in front of your television watching last night. So with the ability to shape the message, even more and program even more what is the tone that the DNC I think we know now from Michelle Obama's speech but what is the tone and how finely crafted you feel it is compared to what might be these wilder errand moments in a convention hall. Well I will say so when you are filling as we did for, we did three days but only four days straight you know. Seven or eight hours sometimes of programming. You throw somebody up there for three minutes and the almost like a producer sends them up on stage you almost any. Saying we're. Now we're supposed to run by speechwriter who now. It is we have to pull one cigarette say off the off the record back in twenty twelve because they weren't GonNa do what they're supposed to but this way however. I yeah. I'm not telling you. They ended up seeking the next day I'll play the story now. Reason memoir something. Thought like. It does fall but I will say what I did more and I'm not it's. Were Convention clearly, but I listened more intently to the words that they said because there wasn't that background noise. Mile Boston candidate lesson when he would speak at a rally if it was just a red meat rally and people were just screaming and cheering over his words, he would sometimes. Because no one could hear what he was saying but he knew just yelling into the microphone gun people energize. This is very particular and and you take away form is just not normal times from John Casick future are plants at stake from Bernie Sanders pre existing condition was trusting the president of the United States, and then culminated with the former first lady one of those popular people on Earth saying. That he is simply not up to the task. I mean, that is a very to me clear message that people were left with which on a normal convention night Monday might be by Tuesday's keynote Wednesdays repeat Thursday is the presidential nominee on this I thought was much more message much more. Crisp. A sense of what the DNC wanted you to take around with campaign. Wanted you take away then we've we've ever seen in past years I want a couple of things about the content from one. Don't know if this is content or not last night I made because as watching surly this morning didn't even pick up on the fact that Michelle Obama who faithful listeners to the show by the way no that every Friday we'd Kelly and Marjorie for a year. I've said the the nominee of the democratic. Party. Should Be Michelle, Obama apparently, she will not be so I'll give up on that one Dan voted yet. But I miss the fact that she didn't reference Kamala. Harris and our June my coworker sent me a tweet this morning from Jake Tapper CNN, which said if you're wondering why there was no reference to Michelle in Moshe Alabama speech to Kamla. Tape before Harris was selected to be Biden's running mate multiple. AIDS of the OBAMAS tells CNN I. I have to say I mean I assume most people I can read Jake Tapper. I don't like at all by the way. I don't mean that she didn't mention Kamla Harris. I didn't even pick up on it. I should've I don't like the notion. That her speech was what pre-tape a week ago. Does that bother you? I don't even know why bother me but it does should it because you're used? What? They're allowed things about the agenda I don't think. I can. Do. It's I. Think we both we've been in many of those halls to every four years. So you you want that real moment It's probably like what people held on telling problems when they first came out like I don't want that even just speaking from their heart, you know. This is what the moment required because if there was a technological glitch while she is broadcasting live, you missed that moment and I don't I don't blame them for doing it. All I actually don't blame them for. Even. If it wasn't believe Kamala, Harris although I I thought this was going to be the ticket since member twenty seventeen. Because Mrs Obama needed to focus on. The presidency, use the the words in the time she had to talk about There's going to be plenty of time for talking about the stark nature of this. Ah, but to really focus the nation on. Why a president who she also didn't name. Is Unfit for office and how I thought. One of the best lines that she had was I know Joe. And it SORTA grabbed you because. She knows it not as a name or a person that her husband able to work with she knows him at its core and she knows him to be a good person who has principles lined up and and who can empathize with America and also lead us through Christ which is the role of president. She saw her husband, do it with him by her side and she knows he can do it. So I am glad she focused on what she's focused on. They'll be plenty of time. To for her to celebrate and campaign hard for the historic ticket to sound Larry, we're Steve Kerr Oregon who -mongst those things ran the Democratic National Convention for Barack Obama in two thousand twelve, a number of progressives I mean you mentioned the dissension when Bernie Sanders is speaking for years ago we're obviously personal relationship with Hillary. Clinton was nowhere near as strong as his relationship seems to be with Vice President. Biden but there, there's been some blowback about having people not so much meg Whitman's of the world but John Casick who's who ran for president obviously four years ago as a Republican and he was corrected the other night earned Burnett on CNN referred to him as a moderate Republican and to his credit he said, I'm not a moderate. Republican. Conservative Republican he's got a very conservative and I would argue in many ways troublingly conservative record on a variety of things. Obviously, we all know what Joe Biden was trying to do. Joe. Biden is a guy who reaches across the island fact his story about reaching across the aisle with some segregationists is what merited the verbal attack at the first debate from Kamla Harris. Do you think the repercussions from the that are last longer than the night of the convention or is it a one and done kind of deal? I mean, that's where I think they benefit by not having a crowd worth sort of percolates up. But what's your? I mean they're trying to market the odd sort of thing. We played sound minute ago Steve With Sanders on one end of the political spectrum. In case on the other end of the political spectrum, they're trying to say trying to say, Hey, all you progressives you're with us. Hey all you conservatives you have to consider as too. That's a pretty hard balancing act for one night. Isn't it? It is but I will say this case extended himself in normal times you probably wouldn't be doing ask. He would be walked onstage the only Clinton playing the next day it will be the bill. and. So he wouldn't have done it in normal time but these are not normal times and I will say this he is. I agree with you is when I worked in the United States seven nineteen, the ninety s He was like we thought we had to check his head for horns 'cause we thought devil. So. And when he was running for president of like where did that super conservative guy he didn't go anywhere. He stayed right where his principles were they all went further to the right. As I will say is a proud board member of four narrow pro-choice America. I can't stand the man. I I disagree with. Almost everything he did he is signed some of the most or Conan. A state laws limiting access to abortion on top of many other things. But I thought his message was a good one to folks like one of the the general public to soak who was a a trump voter who said he was jammed and trump voter and was now supporting I suppose might not to that. That was direct true conservatives trip people who put country ahead of Party. And want to right the ship state this isn't any any true Republican and by the way I say about my own party, which there are those of us in our Party to my party who do the same thing but those who put party had a country. Should be ashamed of themselves and mortified to call themselves an American law, Democrat or Republican but. This moment were in and I thought governor case said it well calls for people to pull out of themselves some higher sense of self and commitment to our democracy. This is not about whether or not you get a judge confirmed or text break for corporations or any of that stuff. This is about the root of our country hundred and seventy thousand people died we're in the worst economy ever because the president just wants to tweet that everything's reopened I it is staggering and. John case has going around Washington long times, been the governor of Ohio He's a very smart man and he understands that this moment Paul's putting aside partisanship it calls for uniting the nation and. And frankly restoring all of the nation, which is what lies President Biden said from the very beginning of this campaign. That's about so I. Don't think it lasts beyond one night Much because you literally had both of them are in this virtual stage talking about what was critically important back in two thousand sixteen we were litigating every tiny little bit of new policy points with Bernie Sanders. Now, everyone has gone through three and a half years of Donald trump and defeating him and making your by the forty six president united. States is job number one so that we can do job number two which is restoring the nation and Steve Logical is it to think that you have? Republicans tuning into the democratic. National Convention or going to be pulled over to the other side I mean, this has been the whole argument about what this messaging is. At the one side trying to shore up your progressives who are disenchanted, which is why we saw Bernie Sanders immediately last night but at the same time. Casting this wider advertising that. Yeah. You're not. You're not gonNA there weren't a lot of. Trump supporters watching with an ear toward being convinced to abandon him by what you probably saw or you're seeing reading news slips in watching clips on TV, and it was saying on your program are lot of what was called. Reagan Democrats folks who or lunch pail you know. Frankly. My Dad who was not a Reagan Democrat by the way he was A. Kennedy. but who may us off the party went too far to the left and one understand that those that there's room for them and who may have gone off to. The mother of Guy went to high school with last week when she saw the case join the ticket she for the most part votes Democrats she did not vote for President for president trump or hillary in two thousand sixteen because she supported case in the primary and excited to see that the Democratic Party was opening up and letting his voice entities you'll never become a registered Democrat I think. Frankly I. Hope he doesn't give up his Republican Party. Membership because both parties need membership who? Shaka's record to remind ourselves. What are true values are your last thing from me Steve Kerrigan who once again ran the OBAMAS convention. Democrat National Convention. In two, thousand twelve. So He's been there and done that does it worry you is a longtime democratic strategists that the majority of people who say they're voting for Joe Biden aren't voting for Joe Biden they're voting against Donald Trump. So. Always you want. You WanNa pro vote not conduct obviously the. Conventional Wisdom. So that that should be concerning normally would say voting against Donald Trump I think a lot of folks are like who knows if Hillary had been back on the ballot with as many people voting against Donald Trump I don't know. Maybe I, I was A. Strong supporter of hers I feel like Joe, Biden and I've been is going on is the right person at this moment for our country and. At this point I will take whatever legal and proper electoral process it will take. To remove Donald Trump, from the White House and and hopefully over time we can erase from history. But he Yeah, it concerns me a little Jim because history tells you to be concerned about it but I honestly don't think. To borrow governor case is not normal time so I don't know that. Before. You go I just realized that was watching CNN last night I saw your former intern who? CNA DOES HIS FOOT BY THE WAY Steve coggins former intern is the former mayor of some place in Indiana it'd be. P Buddha judge have you spoken to Buddha judge of late or night? Now, I. Congratulated Him after his race for for an incredibly avert historic race for for families like mine in the community and everybody he did an incredible job. and. I congratulate him for that and wish him well I. Haven't. I. Haven't really stayed in touch but. He'll be. Jake tapper asked him a question. He says a be honest. You want a job in the administration what job while he wouldn't answer ladder question he did answer the former and said, yes, he would love a job even though obviously he said, Joe Biden, the Vice President Biden's decision not mind what do you have any idea? What is he doing? I mean when someone so weird when someone is a presence in your life and I speak for all Americans in this regard whether you loved him or didn't like him whether it's Yang or or. Or whoever it is, and all of a sudden, they fall off the radar because others take up all the oxygen. What is Buddha judges next act if it turns these no longer mayor, maybe he doesn't get a biden thing. What does he do? I hope he stays engaged I. I firmly believe and I think I've seen this. Before Jim, I firmly believe he'd put a judge will be president United States Sunday. And I think he will be a fantastic command chief because he understands the issues that not only men and women in uniform place but. People working last neighborhoods like the ones we grew up in east fantastic I think I think he'll. Likely wants a cabinet post. He'll take one I'll get one I would I could see him in something like Homeland Security because he understands that cities and states in record professional government on zest response he has a military background and then you know keep an eye on him. His his problem is like winning a state wide race with his profile can be hard and Indiana until the changes a little bit. But he is a fantastic force and I always. So so Buddha judges president your some old doddering full who is telling our doors that he was my intern and the kids are looking at each other and saying sure he was right. I'll be down at the outside saying that guy. Dancer my phone on. It's great to. As always. Time. Thanks. Thanks. Remember my dad I appreciate. By the way Steve that elks lodge is where I'm going to find you. We're GONNA find out who you bounce from the Convention right my memory is We will figure this out. Be Well Youtube. Steve Kerrigan is CEO the Edward M Kennedy Community, Health Center and former CEO of the DNC, we'll coming up amid pandemic. How can the NBA gain the public trust in Public Transit Chris Dempsey joins us for that conversation and more on eighty nine seven w. g. b.. H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public radio jarred bonus sitting in for the vacationing margery eagan I'm Jim Brown desert return to normal mean returned. Boston's notorious traffic jams particularly of commuters decide that driving their cars safer than using public transportation join. US Align for his take on this and other transportation. The headlines self declared transit nerd. Chris Dempsey Chris's the director of Transportation for Massachusetts. That's the organization. Always got the wrong door. He is the Director Pause Jim of transportation for Massachusetts and former Assistant Secretary of Transportation Chris could talk to. Give and jared great. Great to speak with your crystal, I had something that hadn't happened in months yesterday I came to complete standstill on ninety three. Yeah. Yeah. So traffic traffic had certainly been picking up on that road again and then that happened yesterday but give us a sense here we are five or six months into this pandemic now, and what are the states have our roads and our transit system as we? As it became clear to me yesterday people are very much back out and about again. Yeah. We're certainly not back at normal, but we are headed in that direction from lows in late March and early April where traffic on our roads was down eighty percent in some cases and use of the transit system was down ninety or more. Those are now starting to climb back. So the latest numbers from mass dot show that traffic volumes are something like twenty or twenty, five percent down in general that obviously depends on the road depends on the time of day but we're getting closer and closer to the traffic that we had in January and February of this year. On the transit system recovery has been a little bit slower. So we're still at something like thirty five or forty percent of the typical ridership on buses and eighty twenty or twenty, five percent of the typical ridership on subways. But even there we're seeing increases from those lows in March and I think we'll see in fits and starts that were a affectively moving back towards normal. You know I remember speaking to you and to Gemelli see at the beginning of this. I think separately usually in normal times you guys join us. Together, Jim is the former secretary of transportation about all the lessons we could learn when we see pollution has decreased dramatically, the roads were actually drivable. It's good for the environment good for climate change good follows. Things not are read a piece that a couple of people wrote a couple of days ago about how to avoid a relapse on transportation and as I'm reading it in. Commonwealth magazine as I'm reading it I'm saying how to avoid a relapse the relapses here. You said a second ago Chris the little bit less of of a return a little bit less. It's dramatic. Difference between how fast we're going back to pre pandemic normal on the roads versus pre pandemic normal on mass transportation. It seems to me we're not only headed not for a better tomorrow but for a worse tomorrow because of people's fear of public transportation, that's a pretty fair characterization of the trend at least isn't it? I think that's fair and I think the really important point. There was a Boston magazine writer Spencer who actually recently wrote about how he and his family are buying a car for the first time because they feel safer driving and. If he's doing that and he had a colleague that was doing the same thing and others are doing it across the region. Then all we do is we get more cars on the road more traffic congestion, more air pollution, all the things that we do not want as a region. So a couple of things that we need to do here one is we need to re-instill a sense of safety on the NBA and I have to give the NBA some management, some credit here they are leading the nation in terms of how they are responding to bit nineteen with things like flexing. The schedule of buses to provide more service on the routes that have the highest ridership they've got a top class regimen of cleaning stations and cleaning vehicles they're doing I think a decent job of communicating to riders. They need to do more of a job on that getting information out in multiple languages and more consistently to riders I think even then though people still have a basic fear I've read on the Green Line and on a couple of bus lines since March and I have to say you know even though I'm someone that's relatively young and healthy and feel like I've I've done. What I can to protect myself from covid having someone sits down next to me on a bus who was not wearing a Madam Butterfly incredibly uncomfortable experience and it doesn't matter what the data says and the data actually is pretty clear and other parts of the world that transit is not a major vector of covid nineteen. It just gives you a sense of anxiety being in that close space with a stranger and and on the bus I was on most people were wearing masks attacked everybody was wearing a mask except for one person, he happened to sit down next to me on the. Bus So, we need to see I think more of an effort from our political leaders people like Governor Baker and Mayor Walsh I, WanNa see them riding a bus or riding a train line when they feel like that's the appropriate message to give to people and maybe they're not quite there yet but it's gotta be soon I wanna see them on a mask writing the red line riding a commuter rail train and saying it's okay to do this as long as you're practicing safe things like wearing a mask is it mandated by the way? Did you say that is mandated on? Public Transit It's sort of it's sort of a soft mandate Jim. The tea is saying that they are requiring all riders to wear it ask but you and I know anyone that's read in the subway or the bus knows that there isn't really a way to enforce that you're not gonNA have the bus driver walk back through the boss and insist that the one person who maybe has the mask around their neck and not their face put it around their face. So. It's a requirement, but it's sort of a self police requirement at this point and I understand that that makes people uncomfortable. But I think the reality of the situation Kristie mentioned the Massachusetts is a leader in mitigating some of these circumstances where there can be overcrowding. But how are they managing this technology comes into play here to track routes to track volume But if you have people who want to get on public transportation, how is that all being? Managed at this point. Yeah. So it's a great question. Jared they are using technology I. Think the thing they've done with technology is that all of the various Time bus tracker APPS that people use to determine when their buses GonNa come now has information about crowding levels. They'll. They'll say that it's late crowding medium crowding or heavy crowding, and that empowers riders with information about whether they might WanNa let a bus, go buy them and wait for the next bus to come. They can both see how many minutes away that next bus is and they can also see that that bus might have people on it and that was hard. So service people self policing with crowding or or do they just in the way you said, they can't necessarily enforce mouse can they say can they limit bus to fifty percent sixty percent whatever people deem as is safe. They've reduced what they call their standard for crowding. Now that doesn't mean that they're having buses necessarily pass people by at a bus stop, but it is a way for the drivers and dispatchers who work in the central office and are kind of in real time guiding buses to be able to share information back and forth about what that crowding level is and in cases where they are seeing some crowding, they're able to release some additional buses on that line to try to relieve that situation. I think another important point here jared is there's very little discretionary ridership of the tea right now the. People who are riding the are people that are doing it because they have to get to work they have to get through a grocery store they have to get to a medical appointment that's the vast majority of folks, and it's one reason why you saw bus ridership dropped less than subway or commuter ridership. It serves a population that is much more transit dependent than say the commuter rail is it's an important thing for us to remember as we think about how in wear to invest in our transportation system if we WANNA make it more equitable than buses are always a great place to focus. We're talking about the subway systems to and. As part of our research reading about New York is doing last week we also spoke to Christopher Mueller. The Boston Globe. Travel writer on the show about how airplanes are so much safer than you might think that these notions of just recirculated air really aren't true. How much does that hold true for? Buses and more importantly subways when you're you're down in tunnels. So. This is a point where people sort of fear their instincts are that the situation is much worse than it actually is and look again I had that very uncomfortable experience of someone sitting down next to you without a mask and so that fear is real I understand it and many of your listeners are probably thinking there's no way I'm getting back on a subway or a bus anytime soon until there's a vaccine and it's not for me to say that those feelings are rotting they're they're very real and they're very genuine but. If you look at the science and the data there is not a lot of evidence that public transit is a worst vector code than other activities that people are doing scientists sort of put it somewhere between dining indoors and walking outside in on a sidewalk. It's sort of in the middle between those two things. Now, a couple of things are important. There you, WanNa make sure that people are wearing masks. You also want to make sure that the subway system and even the buses have good ventilation that that air is being recirculated through. And in fact, in New York I don't have the data in Boston but in New York that air is recirculated something like five or six times as often as air in an office spaces. So it's actually relatively fresh and clean air that goes through there. Again, I'm not trying to claim that diving's -IETY isn't real. It's real for me too but I don't think that we should make transit a scapegoat. It's not a particularly bad vector. To other things that people are out doing you know you mentioned a minute ago what would help when they felt it was appropriate and safe for high profile officials the mayor, the governor to ride mass transit, and that sort of thing it seems to me they've got to be other creative things. That that can be done I mean as a person is not a transit expert who drives much more than I should even in normal times. I. Plead guilty in advance number one it seems a truly enforced mask mandates so that people like you don't worry about that one stray person who happens to sit next to you without a mask could be making a really comforting statement to the potential writer and to Wall I've read stories about the huge budget hole that this decline in ridership is causing it seems to me if there was ever a time to experiment. With the idea that I guess Michelle Wu and others who put out about free public transit. Now it'd be the time. Wouldn't it aren't both those things or lease the mask mandate worth trying to encourage people to do something that they otherwise probably won't do. Yeah. So I, think on the mass mandate the NBA would say it does have a mandate in place today the question is enforcing for exactly yeah, and that's you know Jim that's that's a really tricky thing to do right because the typical boss is moving through the city may be has five or ten or fifteen people on it. It's got a driver who has been trained in how to navigate the streets and how to operate the bus but not trained in how do you enforce a mask mandate? How do you determine whether the person who's not wearing the mask is someone that's doing it for a medical reason or just doing it because they're not being respectful of other writers. And then the other alternative he has, of course, is the police who also aren't trained on the medical piece. They certainly are able to enforce standards at the NBA, but I think there's a real concern that that may not be done equitably may not be done in a fair way and that speaks to so many other conversations that we're having in society right now. So I'm not trying to let the tee off the hook at all I think we absolutely need more of. A social campaign to insist on insist on people ring mass whether that's on the T. or anywhere else they are in society outside of their home. I'm a little nervous about kicking people off of the bus subway and how that happens if they aren't wearing a mask now on your point about free transit I, think that's a great conversation that or rule has really started and she gets a lot of credit for that the police where it makes the most sense today is absolutely on buses. On buses typically, as you know, you board the Front of the bus and that's where you pay as you get on the best systems around the world allow passengers to board both on the front end on the back it essentially cuts in half the time that it takes for people to board the bus. So the bus moves faster for everybody has less of a delay. Now, there's not really a way for. People to pay on the back of the bus. This is the perfect time for the MVP to to say look you know what it's okay. If we're not collecting every single fair at the front door, let's allow people to board the front end the back have more access, allow them to get off and on that more easily or safely we get the buses moving faster, which ultimately means better service unless cropping. More question about that. Jareth. Just may is until we get to that point, which I assume is not In the immediate future, obviously they're going to be huge budget shortfalls for the t that's by definition of zoom. If there fewer riders state government is starved, Donald Trump has made it clear that he has no intention to sign any relief bill that does anything for cities and states, and I assume he'll compromise to degrade but it's GonNa be nowhere near think the trillion dollars the house Democrats were looking for. Do you worry? About what happens to the finances of the investment in? The T. At the end of this nightmare. Because of the confluence of all three of those things. I'm concerned and I think every single one of your listeners should be concerned to even if they're not daily Ta Writers. Massachusetts only works as an economy and as a region as they commonwealth when we have a transit system that works and we are facing a financial cliff at the NBA. Now faithfully, it's not coming immediately because the cares act that Congress passed in March did allocate twenty, five billion dollars for transit around the country, and because the Jay is one of the largest transit agencies, it's actually GONNA see eight. Hundred million dollars of that. So the NBA isn't it? Okay. For the current budget year that they're in that started on July first and it goes through the end of June twenty, twenty one it's the next fiscal year, which starts July twenty twenty one where they're facing something like a four hundred, million dollar budget gap and that number may change a little bit depending on how fast riders comes back. Call it in the three to four hundred, million dollar range. We need either the federal government to step up or the state government to step up to help plug that hole because if we don't have one of those two entities depp in with the various taxing and revenue raising spending tools that they have, and the only alternative is for the fiscal and Management Control Board, which governs the t, to either service or raise fares or both, and there's a threat of what you might call a death spiral at at transit agency where fares go up service goes down and all the sudden. It's not a compelling value proposition to people anymore dispenser of the world that I mentioned decide not. Only. Am I not willing to ride transit because I don't feel safe, but it's also just not a good financial decision for me and my family. So I'm going to go out and buy a car and I'm gonNA drive more and we end up with more traffic congestion more air pollution, all these things that we don't want. So we need the state legislature to be thinking now this summer in this fall about what they can do to prevent the from falling off that cliff in the summer of twenty twenty one. Well, my question was actually similar nature and how much is it being pushed off that cliff with with unexpected Bills Right. Now again, referring to the New York subway and I know that we're not as large but realizing they're just spending hundreds of millions of dollars on cleaning and disinfectant alone. and. We obviously myriad issues are arising here that the MVP ta couldn't have foreseen in the age of a pandemic. So how is that exacerbated? To what extent has. Exacerbated their financial situation. They're spending millions of dollars a week on cleaning. It is a serious operation and I think they need to do that because they want riders to feel safe and to feel secure that eight hundred, million that they received from the federal government is going to help them with that. It's going to help get them through this year to put that as an order of magnitude just so. Folks know maybe collect something like seven, hundred, million dollars in fairs every year. So the feds actually gave the team more money than it collects in fares in a given year that really helps this year. It's GonNa be the next year that we need to be concerned about looking. I, think that's true. Not just of transit agencies, right? It's true of businesses and other parts of society. There are many businesses that are able to sort out but limp along and continue going we need a vaccine and or we need some other public health strategy to get this virus under control, not just to help a t and make sure that he doesn't fall off more of a cliff next year but so many other parts of our economy and our again our society. if this just continues to go on forever and limp along where cases are sort of flat to offer maybe down but then up again. The T's not gonNA survive but but neither are schools neither are businesses neither are our healthcare systems. We have to get this under control. Speaking of schools they're. Confused around tracing right now as schools may reopen hybrid model, whatever capacity buses are used you can obviously trace or try to train students who are infected through exposure in the classroom in a school on a bus, but we're reminded that so many urban school kids also go. To school by the subway every day. Well, how is that changing? The issues here. So the T. as part of its service planning for the fall has decided to put some additional buses. Used by Boston school students, the numbers are pretty remarkable jared. It's something like two thirds of all Boston highschoolers use the tea, every single morning and more than seventy percent of them use it to get home whether that's bus or subway or even commuter rail. It's a large large share of students that are out there. Now again, I think that transit systems are maybe less of a vector. Then people would sometimes stink if you're on the subway for fifteen or twenty minutes to go a couple of stops and you have a mask on the entire time, you're probably going to be okay. But there certainly is an additional element of sort of risk or uncertainty that. That comes to comes into play when we're talking about being next to strangers or around strangers Kinda the model that a lot of us have been in over the last four or five months where we're sort of in a small pot of people, and maybe we see the same people every day but not a lot not around a whole lot of new other people I do not. Transit is sometimes that transportation sometimes hard public policy area I do not envy anyone who is responsible for the decisions around schools this fall it's an incredibly tough issue that I know is really dramatically impacting families impacting local governments This is one component of that, but it's a much much bigger problem about whether to bring students back in person or have them at home, and thankfully that's played and again, my my my hopes and thoughts with the people that are trying to work on that issue because I know how challenging it is. You know if we can start to draw to a close by going back to where we began, it's one thing for advocates like you. To be focused on how we learn positive lessons for the future from this totally negative experience. That's five months old obviously he's going to be many more months old. Before, it's over. and. Then, I'm trying to think about people who are just trying to keep the trains running on time and I didn't mean that as a pun I meant it. I guess end as figuratively. Are People on Beacon Hill. Thinking about. The long term and the potential for a worse. Gridlock and post pandemic than one even one we had before or they just so occupied again with keeping the trains running on time that they don't have the Ability to focus on this now, you know what I mean. Yeah. No I do. I have a lot of respect for folks that work in the legislature and are trying to deal with these issues. I can't say that I find that at the moment. They're very focused on those long term questions, the conversations that I, have with them. They are stretched. So thinly dealing with response to code and the impact that it's had on their communities and the things that are sort of right in front of their face that it's become a lot more difficult for them to think about the longer term or even to focus on transportation. where where once we have an hour long conversation about the future of transportation, policy in Massachusetts a Lotta Times. Those conversations are now done in fifteen or twenty minute intervals because they have to jump back onto a call with their local school district or with their local health board about what's happening in their communities. So I don't blame them for that focus. It's probably the appropriate in the right one, but it is a little bit concerning that were missing an opportunity here to really build back in a stronger way we're gonNA continue to push the legislature to say there are ways to help. The immediate crisis and also set up for a stronger and more equitable recovery that needs to be the focus and those issues are not at odds. They can be done in the same action or the same policy quickly before you go for those that don't remember, Chris was one of the leaders of the effort to stop the Boston Olympics and twenty twenty four have any of the proponents of the Olympics and twenty twenty four called the thank you in the last five months to say this has been a nightmare. I can't imagine what it'd be like if we were preparing for an Olympics can. No. I have not gotten those calls. Okay I'm sure people are feeling that way but yeah, it cannot imagine what we would be doing with that distraction and multibillion dollar expenditure thr- through each party when it's so clear that we have other important priorities to be focused on as a regent. Chris Dempsey. Thanks so much good to talk to you. Thanks, Jim, and jared push it. Thank you Chris Dempsey is joins US regularly. He's the director of the coalition transportation for Massachusetts and former assistant secretary of transportation what coming up as we enter an economic depression would Joe Biden presidency borrow from FDR or bow down to the financial elites economist and journalist? Robert cutner joins us for that Amore on eighty nine seven W. H. Boston public radio. Ads. Welcome. Back in Boston public radio I'm Jim Brady Jerry bonus sitting in for Marguerite before we proceed, let me just say one of our colleagues is monitoring Governor Bakers Crony bias press conference here's reporting that You know the district's school districts have had a report to the State Commissioner of Education about what their plans for the fall. He says that seventy percent of the state school district said they will offer a hybrid or in-person learning this fall only thirty percent proposing fully remote even though it's not clear if that seventy percent is when they start or if it's a phased in thing, he also has added three. Communities totaling twenty two so-called stop the spread campaign where the positivity rate is particularly high added Salem Holyoke in Saugus and those communities. The Stop the spread communities are ones where he is increased the testing capacity and finally so far he said he will be voting by mail him self. So who's afraid of the big bad wolves of Wall Street? If Joe, Biden Next President Illinois air it an economic disaster to rebuild the economy really lean on the kind of free-market enthusiasts who favor Wall Street over main street or not join US talk about this the call bs on trump and the postal service and more is Robert Cutner. Kutner is a CO editor of the American prospect. He holds the IDA and Meyer Kirsten Chair at Brandeis. University is latest book is the Stakes Twenty Twenty and the Survival of American Democracy Bob Cadre Great to talk to you as always as always to happy bag him. Talk Show great to have you here. So let's talk about testing I. Think even if I haven't been tested myself but I can say anecdotally from friends I've spoken with people there are some who get test results for the CO coronavirus back right away in a matter of hours it seems other people are waiting and waiting and waiting but you started to dig into this to understand more about how this is working why it's not working in a lot of cases and something you describe is just an issue that's not gotten sufficient reason what have you. Learned in gleaned here. Well for starters, let's talk a moment about the centrality of testing. If we're ever going to get the virus under control people have to behave themselves and you know follow commonsense rules. But in addition to that, we have to have tests available for everybody who is suspected of having the virus and those tests need you know eight hour turnarounds rather than two weeks, turnarounds and This is going to be true even after there's a vaccine because we're gonNA particularly need to track how effective the vaccine is whether the the the rate of infection genuinely subsiding or whether people who were hey symptomatic are continuing to infect other people. Now what I found out in digging into this is that when when this started back in in in January? And some of the veterans at the CDC, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention realized how serious this WHO's going to be And and trump of course, wanted to play down testing less acknowledged that this was a crisis. So the first thing that happened was the the commander in chief was not enthusiastic about testing the the second thing that happened was that the people who were newly in charge of the CDC dropped the ball and came up with an incredibly complicated process where they would develop a vaccine. Sand samples of the vaccine out local public health labs, and in the meantime they would discourage anybody else from this guy from developing a vaccine and by the time that collapsed. At the end of. February and the FTA issued emergency orders allowing other people to develop vaccines. The whole process was re retarded, and there is still no national coordination. I mean the process of producing tests and producing the things that go along with tests and actually carrying out tests is trump wanted it to be the responsibility of governors who don't have the resources and we are still only at about maybe twenty percent of the capacity of the testing that we need and as a consequence. As as the president's testings are Admiral, Wa admitted a few weeks ago. This is what started me on this. In, much of the country, it takes five days or more to get test results back. If you can get a test at all, which completely undermines the whole logic testing. Obviously can't do contact tracing all sorts. Make great point in your piece Bob Kuttner that while there's an operation warp speed for the vaccine had there been an operation warp speed for testing like how infuriating is you wake up yesterday to find out that FDA gives emergency approval of. Saliva test cheap ten dollars with a quick turnaround and he's saying, when are we ever able to get it? It is not unfair. In fact, it is fair to lay the blame one, hundred percent at the feet of the president. I'd states is not actually and the other thing don't forget that trump did trump. Waved around W. A. V. E. D. A. W. A. IV he he claimed that he was gonNA use the emergency power of the Defense Production Act. He could have a in effect requisition the facilities too big commercial labs to predict to go all out and produce vaccines, and instead that was another idol trump boast and. The this is tricky because what happens if you're one of the big commercial labs like a lab core or quest, you don't want to expand capacity only to have to I have have to mothball that capacity. When this thing is over, trump could have either made a deal with him. He's pretty good at making could have commandeered them. and. Have them license vaccines produces. Not, actually test produces many as the country needed. He didn't. He didn't want to know the results he said in. So many words if do more testing will have more positive results in it'll look like there's there. They're more cases so. On the one you have the gang that can't shoot straight on the other hand, you have no leadership from the leader who if anything is discouraging testing and it's every bit as important as every other aspect of this botch pandemic and I wrote about it because I got testing wasn't getting enough attention. Well, speaking about things a lot of scrutiny more and more scrutiny by the hour it seems on the US Postal Service We know that the Postmaster General Louis Joy. has. Any other country that. Donald Trump decided to join the conversation he wasn't even invited. Typical I don't happened. He's GonNa Stop Him, and that's Donald. Trump saying what he says regularly, the only reason we have so many cases is because we do attack I couldn't even play that because I couldn't even stand to hear it again in any case, we a little technical difficulty there as I was saying that we know the Postmaster General Louis to joy who is a big trump donor has come in he argues that for cost cutting measures because the the. US Postal Services. So deep in financial dire straits that he's got to get rid of these mail sorters, he's got to change leadership offer early retirement. But you're telling us in your reporting, that's not the case at all money isn't an issue as as an issue in the way, it's been presented Y-, and this is very tricky because of the Democrats don't play this right. This is kind of a trap for Democrats. So I did some interviewing and I pulled a public record documents known as ten q reports which. Are Filed quarterly with the with the SEC. I also went back and looked at the cares act. And it turns out that. If you look at their quarterly filing, they're sitting on thirteen billion dollars in cash and. They've also got another ten million dollar line of credit in the original cares act the Treasury has signed off on that they haven't tapped it at twenty, three, billion dollars. The other thing is that the the annual Christmas mail rush. Is many many multiples of the increased mail volume Expected by. Ballots. So this whole crisis is trumped up so to speak and it's it's a deliberate sabotage of the postal service where their you know. Trash they're taking a sledge hammer to sorting machines and their prohibiting overtime they've got. A. Half a million people work for the postal service. They've got thousands and thousands of people home on sick leave. So the normal thing you do is you make overtime available so that you can cover the roots, but because they're not doing that. Male is piling up, and here's the really insidious part that I think has been missed a lot of the press coverage, the the the fact that male is piling up the fact that deliveries are late That's not because the post office doesn't have enough money to get the job done. It's because the joy is deliberately sabotaging the post office and the thing that he's doing that is relevant is that traditionally even though mailing ballots Are sent. At nonprofit rights they're treated as if they were first class mail and the joy in the spirit of supposed- increase efficiency or cost cutting says, no, we're going to treat those as as nonprofit mail which take several days longer. So I think that trap that is set for the Democrats. Is the premise that this is about the post office not having enough money, and then everybody argues about how big a supplemental appropriation office should get. It's really about the liberate sabotage of the Postal Service. But above Kutner before we move on, it seems to me that Nancy Pelosi gets the trap issue. Perfectly. My understanding is when they return on Saturday they are not voting yet again like they did in the so-called heroes. Act Twenty five billion or over was also service. They're voting to mandate that the postal service return to whatever conditions they had in January of this year, which means they will pay overtimes. I last night on television I had the head of the Postal Workers Union for Central Massachusetts. He told me and I'm sure you know this about how if post a mail carrier calls in sick good luck getting your mail that day. Story that Steve Lynch told US Congressman Lynch tolls on the radio the other day about these high speed processing machines being removed what Pelosi's bill would do. I believe would mandate the restoration of overtime, mandate the restoration of these high speed sorting machines and stay away from the money trap even though I guess you could say it's in there. There are three trillion dollar bill I'm right about that. Am I not you're you're half right and when I so I wrote this piece. I wrote most of the peace before Nancy announced I. Get it was Sunday night that she was calling Congress back into session to vote on the Maloney Bill and the Maloney bill is exactly what you said it. It requires the post office to revert to the management rules that were in place. Before the joy decided to sabotage them. But then under political pressure a day later she said we're also GonNa vote an additional twenty, five, thousand, twenty, five, billion dollars for the post office so that I'm afraid muddies the water because the Republicans can then say, well, gee, though both of sending me more money this is just about management efficiencies and that's their story that this deliberate advertise is about making the post office more efficient and so if we're not careful the issue of whether the post office needs more money in the short run, which doesn't get conflated with the issue of whether joys really sabotaging. The Post Office. We're talking to Bob Kuttner from the American prospect. So Bob I'm reading your piece last night falling upward the surprising survival Larry Summers and most people know foreign president of Harvard Former Secretary of Treasury for Clinton Former chair the National Economic Council or director whatever is called National Economic Council for a Obama and I was saying to myself that and I hope you live a really long life but your epitaph could be he got bannon fired and Got Summer Summers unh- hired would that that'd be appropriate. Don't you think I hope so and I do hope I live a long life so yeah. And I. What I worry about even if summers himself. Doesn't get hired. Is All of the summers protege in all of this summer's lights. All of this summer's allies who are just waiting. To take over the power positions treasury secretary and share the National Economic, Council and Head of Oh mb and US trade rap, and my worry is that because Biden is a big tent kind of guide and because I mean I hope he wins overwhelmingly. But let's be honest. He's a little bit of a throwback to the Clinton Obama era. He's a moderate Democrat unlike Roosevelt who was fifty when he was elected who was capable of changing seventy seven year old is don't change a lot and so the risk is that Biden's conception of big tent. Means, that you give liberals you give them Labor you give them hhs. You give them a Hud. And the Wall Street guys get the powerful economic physicians. So what I'm doing is trying to smoke out. Who is in contention for these other for for the really powerful jobs and why they should not get them. Speaking of why they should not get him. Could you give us like a ninety second? People should read your piece again falling upward the surprising survival Larry. Summers. To say it's a bill of particulars and an endless one I should say. Can you give us the major concerns you? Out. About Larry Summers. Well, it's. It's the major concern to the whole crowd of home. Summers was merely the most influential. First of all. Beginning with Clinton and continuing with Obama even after the financial collapse. We've had a Wall Street business model based on trading. And Hybrid financialisation and old passivity. where all the gains go to the insiders. Dominant economic model in this country and the government. Really giving up on the idea that was alive maybe through the Nineteen Seventies. That we have to regulate these clowns. That's thing one. Thing too is that part and parcel of an economy. Where Wall Street has gained more power and financial gain more power. other corporations, notably, silicon valley corporations but not just silicon valley corporations have become more and more and more concentrated. and. So political power goes with economic power and these are the people who bankrolled commonly Harris to the people who are bankrolling up Joe Biden and. Are. You going to turn on them salt for starters you need massive financial reform in the spirit of Roosevelt. And addition you need a resurrection of antitrust so that the kind of market domination by A. Amazon and. FACEBOOK and apple, and the companies who have been permitted to buy up any possible rivals so that they have total control over very major sectors economy and not surprisingly the owners of these companies are the are the the multi billionaires. and. The question is whether has the Moxie or the principals or the pressure from the left wing of the Party and the country to to really become another Roosevelt and an interesting character in this drama is Elizabeth Warren, I was just GonNa also. Yeah. So you know. There was a good reason why he didn't select. Be His running mate through the running mate almost absolutely had to be a black woman. So that said now the question is well as gonNA, make her A. Treasury Secretary another interesting fall back by the way would be to maker Attorney General, which has a great deal of power to reform what's wrong with American capitalism. But The Wall Street backers of of Biden, are gonNA. Go to the mat to even worn wants this and it's not fair that she does. The Wall Street backers have Biden you're gonna go to the mat to prevent him from doing that and would much prefer somebody who is safe who talks a little bit of reform game. But who is more in the all of guiding her and summers and Rubin and that whole crowd. And he's somebody you argue that you spend most of your piece arguing all of his policy failures. But somebody who is very excellent rehabilitating his image in front of these circles that we're talking about the political players. Well he's rehabilitating his image for the sake of the broader public and the press. He doesn't need to have to rehabilitate his image for the sake of wall. Street, because Wall Street likes them exactly the way he was. You Know My. You your the title, your piece. I say falling upward the surprising survival Larry Summers. My favorite quote in the whole piece when you begin near the end to describe how he has survived. All this despite the policies that you lay out, you quote I think it was an unnamed source who says he sucks up and he bullies down that I get that right is that. You got that, right? It's pretty good. Bob Kuttner. The pieces great. Actually all were great and we really appreciate your time. Thanks so much for joining us. As always Jim keep the faith fight the power we'll do our best take care Robert. CUTNER IS CO editor of the American prospect. He holds the I didn't Meyer Kirstein chaired Brandeis University. His latest book is the Stakes Twenty Twenty and the survival of American democracy. Well, coming up C. N. N.'s John King is here to go over to the latest political headlines You're listening to eighty nine seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. Welcome back to Boston public radio charred bones, sending it for Marjory I'm Jim Brady Jonasson line to go over the latest headlines John King John CNN's chief national correspondent anchor of inside politics, which you can catch weekdays and Sunday Mornings at eight am John King. There are no headlines. Absolutely. Nothing world has stopped. That is so not true. So last night I tuned in pretty skeptical after all, we had read all of how this convention DNC was going. It was was hyped because it was so different but then I did start to get a sense after the two hours that I watched that this did feel different in part because of formats certainly because of our times, what is your take on that? I was fascinated by it. I did they have some production mistakes? Yes. is we'll see later today we'll know better today how many people watch the ratings but I thought they were pretty high. Are they going to match other conventions? I don't know we'll see but there's certainly high interest in the race and I think that the Democrats, look, this is a brand new environment, right? So you have even Longoria not a politician as. You master ceremony that's probably smart. She's a more engaging TV presents than most politicians would be Michelle Obama might disagree with that but if Michelle Obama won't do every second of the entire Democrat convention I think they made a pretty good choice So what are they trying to do? Right? We can pick this pick that what are they trying to do? They're trying to make the case that you should absolutely positively want president trump out. They did a pretty good case. If you're a trump supporter, you don't believe that I mean in building a case bringing in some moderate. Republicans bring in you know former Governor Kasich of Ohio bringing in Bernie Sanders bringing in this broad spectrum of Democrats to say, we don't agree with Joe Biden on everything, but we think the fundamental mission should be evict the president I think they did a fairly good job at least beginning that arc and then I think the other piece which they did some of and I a lot of even Biden allies say they need to do more of is the wide Joe Biden. You make the decision I'm ready to get rid of the incumbent president. You still have to embrace the new guy and Michelle Obama did some of that some of the other speakers did a little bit of it the other candidates, the former Democratic candidates that a little bit of it. I thought the Amtrak video was actually quite powerful. Just Joe Biden cares about working blue collar people but it's the beginning of an arc in a brand new unconventional age and most Democrats are fairly happy with it. We'll see. You know John You raised we were talking to Steve Kerrigan who's a local guy who ran the Democratic National Convention in two thousand twelve raise your local guide to for Barack Obama and I asked him. About an issue you just broach is the all the polling suggests that the majority of people who intend to vote for Biden and Harris are voting for them because they don't want Donald Trump to be the next president I'd states ordinarily have to want your voters to want you not just not want the other person. Is this as aberration has everything has been with? Donald. Trump that if you Can't, stand donald trump enough. It's enough for Joe Biden a win or does he have to do more what you talked about that Amtrak thing? I think you're right that it's aboriginal the reason the thing I can't get at Jim and I I have to look at more data. I think the study this and I don't know that there is a good answer yet in any of the data. Is it just because trump is so polarizing he you know he sees that the animus toward trump among Democrats so. that therefore, I'm voting against him even if you like Joe Biden, there are a lot of people like Joe Biden who would say I'm voting for of course I, of course I want you by in of course, I want a democratic agenda maybe my first choice. But of course, I'm voting for him but they're just reflex action is to get trump right so that's what I don't quite understand but I do think it does tell you that there's a challenge for Biden because you know what trump is going to do his convention comes last because he's the incumbent party, he has very significant resources biden? Is caught up some and fundraising of late they're. Not You know they're not going into this without arms if you will not going into a war without weapons but the trump campaign is built a pretty mean lean operation. I don't mean mean in a bad way and they're going to stay Joe Biden is a career politician. He's been around forever this look at this mistaken his record look at this he's lying to you black America he was part of the crime bill and so on and so forth. What Biden has right now is the Democrats a lot of independents don't want trump and what by also has right now unlike Hillary Clinton is that among voters who don't like them both Biden is winning. and I think that's a metric to keep watching You Know Hillary Clinton lost that among voters who said, I don't like either one of them Donald Trump won convincingly right now joe Biden is winning convincingly among voters who say I don't like either one of them So I, would keep an eye on that. Can can they build up Joe Biden's positives in the next three days of the Democratic convention to a point that when the Republicans come at him with the Bazookas next week that you know they're gonNA lose some ground that's just how it works But the you don't lose it all that you keep some of what you built I. I think that's A. Fascinating Challenge Biden has an advantage here. He has appallingly that are stronger than any challenger to incumbent president in modern history. But beating incumbent is really hard yard. It's just really hard. We have had three successive two-term precedents. The American people have been reluctant to kick a president out of office when that president still has a chance for another term. So we'll see there's no question. The polling says voters are wide open to change. In fact, many voters want change I think the next three nights part of Biden's you know the Biden's test an acceptable change, my desirable change am I safe change and my com change the chaos of trump is part of what they're trying to draw contrast to. What's Michelle? Obama. I I I realized that she's just one of many different programming aspects that will happen over the next. Nights of the Convention here but there is so much conversation about her today, her her her speech last night wasn't flowery. It was directed the people. It was very pragmatic answering a lot of what you just talked about two and I it seems that that's resonating again. But I'm also mindful that you're looking for headlines coming out of your first night. As a performer I I view myself as a reporter journalist, but I have to be on television and I have to read sometimes teleprompter or at living scripts man she's good. She's good I don't care whether you're Democrat Republican with your you know she's just good to be able to be sitting down and give a speech with such emotion and passion and and you know change the cadence as you go. She's just good We just need to concede that and most Republicans concede that even if they disagree with her what is the mission I I would say this number one she is viewed as less political. She's a Democrat. He's the former first lady of a partisan Democratic President Barack Obama, but she's less political She's also a mother and I think we need to remember this at I'm a I'm a parent in the middle of this pandemic. And it is stressful. A kid goes to my kid will be fine. His parents have resources. He's he goes to a private school but I'm stressed I'm stressed to the Max. So think about all these parents out there who don't have those resources. So. I. Think speaking as a woman as a parent at this time of great stress in people's lives. THAT DONALD TRUMP's not up to the job. He's not helping us when we need help from our government I think there's some power there. The president gets chance to rebut it but we do know from the polling that the American people don't like the president's handling to this pandemic and they don't trust what they hear from the president. So who's going to decide this election black women black voters But. Black Women in urban America an insecure in suburban America and then other women the women, the suburban women who made Nancy Pelosi the speaker of the House and gave the Democrats forty seats in two, thousand, eighteen they're going to decide the election I think they have a pretty good relationship a good report Michelle Obama if she can keep them where she had them last night that helps Joe Biden. You know I was watching Anderson Cooper last night when you did that incredible graphic on the magic wall we went by month. With. The color coding about the explosion of the coronavirus, virtually all over the country and interestingly in particularly in states that trump won and needs in this. Election and then I heard that incredible talk by Kristen or keys I hope pronounce her name right the woman who said they're only pre existing conditioner father had was that he was trusting Donald Trump or just thought it was incredibly. Powerful. But the flip side of that is you also said when you're talking to cooper, you don't know in whatever it is seventy some days what? What is going to be going on? It seems to me the Democrats are hanging a huge part of their fate. On the grotesque mishandling of this Krono virus, the deadly mishandling corona virus by Donald Trump but. That's also risky. It seems to me if that map changes color in late September or October not that things will be good and still be unconsciously large number of people who died and suffered, but if it's improving or less bad than it was before. That's dangerous for Joe Biden is isn't. I think to put all your eggs in that basket, which is why I do think if you listen to Michelle Obama and governor Cuomo tried to make this case as well and other democratic speakers will watch. Bill. Clinton tonight a very. It's only five minute speech remarkable. I'm told it's it's quite escaping as as he's going to present this as a person who has been president to a person who had the for eight years as a person who knows what it's like to have a crisis pop onto your desk It's GonNa come from that perspective but I I think that's why Jim, the other piece of it is important that that why did this happen? Not just about the coronavirus pandemic they this is a president who doesn't study who doesn't do his homework doesn't read the brief who don't listen to scientists whether we're talking about corona virus or climate who's not interested and who's not interested in does not understand your life. WHO DOES NOT CARE ABOUT AVERAGE AMERICANS? That's why I think the Amtrak right on the train difference to to the broader picture. Can you convince people the Oh maybe you think Joe Biden issue he ten years younger. You wish some people wish you were more liberal. Some people wish you weren't being pulled to the left by Bernie Sanders and so on and so forth. But he is a guy who has suffered. He has lost a lot in his life and so on the. Empathy question the compassion question, the understanding struggle question, Joe, Biden, versus Donald Trump that's not that's not a fair fight. I mean Joe Biden wins that fight. So the question is, can you then connect that to leadership so that if the numbers do get better that the president doesn't get quote unquote benefit and I don't know the answer to that Jim I, I think that there's we're we're starting to come down a little bit now to a place where we might be around forty. Thousand cases a day instead of seventy thousand cases a day a month ago. That's good. That's great. We always Americans want to push that down. You talk to the public health experts all the time we had it down to twenty thousand in early June, that was the opportunity to shove it down to ten thousand and shove it down to five thousand like the European countries did and then the surge would never have happened. I think most people process that if they've been paying attention. It's not just president's fault but this should not happen the. He gave people a green light to blow through his own coronavirus task force reopening guidelines. He was part of it I don't WanNa lay all the blame on any one person used there are people out there were going to be mad at their governor who's going to be mad at their school superintendent for the decisions being made and so on and so forth. But can the president shake this? I'll give you one quick example. Nineteen th the last time I turn president last time once we had a one term president with George H W Bush and remember we were coming out. That was a recession we were coming out of it was not a pandemic The numbers were better in the third quarter of nineteen ninety-two. We were out of that recession. There's no doubt about that. But nobody believed President Bush I remember traveling the country that year and President Bush was saying we're out of it. We're getting better and we were getting better people were so tired and so battered and so shaken by it and had their lives. So disrupted by it, they just couldn't give him credit. And they voted for change. That was the Clinton. Perot year. So I I you know. For me in this economic ditch were now and because of the pandemic and the pandemic itself if it suddenly changes everyone go great Donald Trump fixed it I. I'm skeptical but I think that's something we have to watch. So John King moving to the post office or the postal service now I think I feel like we've seen something fairly unusual happened here. There's a huge we see what's happening with the postal service. There's a huge outcry their at. Their protesters and the outcry is met with a pretty fairly swift response in what Nancy Pelosi is doing. Now, bringing Congress back asking for documents to be turned over from the postmaster general on Friday having him appear on Monday. How do we see this playing out? In the short term I would say this is actually the example and I haven't spoken the sentence in a long time. folks wrap yourself in your government is actually working your government is doing the job. It's supposed to do meaning the Democrats and let's give Mr Joy credit he did not find he did not make the house subpoena him right the House said we want to call you in for hearing and there was some thought that maybe He would say no that they would have to issue a subpoena. He said I will come testify in the house. Then the Senate has moved quickly to schedule the Republicans control the Senate. So they have moved quickly to schedule a hearing on Friday before he goes into the House and the Senate Republicans are saying we're going to give him a hearing on our terms before the House Democrats savage him in this campaign attack said all the hyperbole aside we. Are Now going to have to hearings on Capitol Hill with the Postmaster General and his team were they're going to have to answer questions from Democrats and Republicans. Now there are Republicans and people in the trump land who say the Democrats are exaggerating this that there are needed structural management work rule changes in the post office because of the Internet because of shifts in mail and everything else and the Democrats are blowing this out of proportion the. Democrats say hogwash this guy's trump donor he's trying to stack the deck. They told forty six days. We can't promise to deliver your ballot on time they're trying to rig the election. Okay. That's where we are but we're going to have you know two hearings now in the Senate and the house where this is going to be able to be aired out and I I think for for once you had a relatively quick response from your lawmakers Democrats and Republicans. Let them let them have their hearing and we'll get some answers. That's a good thing. Yeah. How Pathetic John is that we've reached the point where John King has to say. We have to give credit to a the head of the postal service for actually green. Congress to do its job and conduct oversight I mean is that isn't that a Reflection. It is but one quick footnote Jimmy making me cranky old man Yama Young. But you know Bill Clinton speaks tonight and and the thing that Bill Clinton for a long time. But the thing that always gets stuck in my craw the last time, the United States Congress and president passed a budget according to the way they're supposed to do it. The committee's past all the separate approach from nations bill they bring it all together the last time they did it the way they're supposed to do what Bill Clinton was in the United States. Wow, that's a long oppressed longtime ago. Hey John. I agree that obviously, it is good that the house whether politics is the major motivator actually. Voting and democracy is the major motor vedder I'm glad they're doing something I have to say an if Marjorie. Were here. She would say you know grow up Jim. This is the way of the world. You don't have to like it the fact that Congress's home when federal supplemental unemployment benefits ran out when people live in fear that they're going to be victimized. Who knows when but in the relatively immediate future when states and cities are starved with money including their school systems which the president wants. To be able to say come on down everybody just barrel in to the classroom is unconscionable to me it. Or we Believe that there really won't be any resolution to this next relief thing until September or is this just political grandstanding and they're gonNA come back at some point this month and do something for the most vulnerable American people. I see nothing on the table right now that leads me to believe they will do anything until they have to, which is to pass a bill to keep the government going right now that's the only vehicle because the theatrical SP- specific stimulus talks have broken down because the divide is so great between the White House and the Democrats and so broken down, they do have to keep the government. Open in. September, and all of them want to do that. We've again, they haven't passed a budget real budget since bill, Clinton was president but every year they pass these supplemental or emergencies or contingencies or call what you will and they have to pass another one of those in September and you know the Republicans on the ballot want that to go through just as much as the Democrats. On the ballot. So that's your vehicle to add something else to it. I I get your point I give them some grace about the pandemic is they don't necessarily have to be in Washington. But if we can have a virtual convention, we can have virtual hearings and we can have virtual debates and we can have virtual discussions if they were actually I don't really care where they are because. Of Technology today even pre pandemic if you're doing your work and you're actually negotiating and trying to make progress because then you can once you get a deal, you can all come back. They WANNA, campaign they want to go home and campaign they want to be with their families. Great. Great but work work while you're at it, there's nothing happening right now and I think your point there is a damn good. One. We only have come minutes left I. Guess you covered it in your response and I ask you the same naive question I think virtually every week now. In light of the fact that the speakers Senate presidents, their their jobs are Senate leaders, their jobs, our primary job is to maintain their majority. So they have the power to do whatever they can do. How is Mitch McConnell allowing his Republicans up for reelection? To be put in a position to have to explain to the folks back home. While, they're not hope helping their local communities why they're not helping. All these unemployed people are under employed people. You. Know what I mean I I even if it was nothing but a political calculation is get the the the lack of concern. Well, the speakers getting some similar heat from some of these freshmen Democrats who won trump districts who are up for the first time to member sell some of the stars of two thousand eighteen where people who run these competitive district. So both both the speaker, and the majority leader have vulnerable members of their party on the ballot who are antsy to show progress and both of them are. Saying I'm sorry you know McConnell's point is a little different because Pelosi saying I'm not going to back down I want this big deal from the white. House. I think if we stay together, we can get a bigger deal. That's where she's staying right now McConnell wants a smaller deal and he's telling whether it Susan Collins in Maine or Cory Gardner in Colorado Thom Tillis in North Carolina these are all not you. Know quote unquote moderate is tell us a pretty conservative guy state. He's in trouble Georgia another state where senators are trouble. McConnell is telling them. This is trump I I can't. You know I if I say something now trump will pull out the rug pulled the rug out from under me So he has left it to the White House but he is telling them that they they might not have anything. To say August, he hopes they do have something to say September. The question is, is that can you change the dynamic of a campaign that late the most of those Senate races are going to go the way the presidential race goes and so McConnell also understands that that as much as he tries to help Cory Gardner Susan Collins if Joe Biden wins their state by six or eight points that's editors gone. John you're lucky we ran out of time so we can't ask you about the worst team in the. League. Man Oh man I. Don't have enough money for therapy lad he's. Drawn. Thanks for your time. Thank you so much John King joins US every week he's CNN's chief national correspondent and anchor of inside politics, which you can catch weekdays and Sunday. Mornings at eight o'clock. We'll coming up how can you shelter in place when you have no shelter the Pine Street ends, Linda Downey joins us to talk about the toll. The pandemic is taking on the homeless community. She joins us for that and more on eighty nine seven W. G. B. H. Boston public radio. In Boston Public Radio Jim Brady jarred bone sitting in for Marjorie. The coronavirus crisis could provoke a housing crisis without a nationwide addiction moratorium in place with unemployment benefits long expired in stimulus talks stalled in DC nearly thirty million people are at risk of being evicted. If we're on the verge of a homeless crisis, what does that mean for the institutions that are already helping the homeless community? Join us to talk about what this convergence of circumstances means for Boston is Linda Downing loonies the president and executive director of Pine Street in which provides permanent supportive Housing Job Training and placement emergency shelter and street outreach to homeless men and women. Lindy agreed talk you thanks so much for your time. I Linda I. Know You were on the show earlier on in the pandemic very early on and you have a very different story to tell now tell us what you've been able to do the measures you've taken to town to a very stunning rate, which is no just about no cases is that correct? That's right. Well, it's certainly been an interesting journey and it's it's been probably the toughest few months in my thirty years here at st working with with homeless men and women. When we started this, we were lucky enough to do universal testing among the guests and are positive rate in the first few weeks of this was thirty six percents. It was one of the highest in the states and. I think we were surprised at how high was despite the fact that shelter crowded and we were coming off the winter where we had one hundred additional people sleeping on our lobby floor every night. Fast. Forward to now, you know we were able to move with Mayor's health about three hundred people into alternative sites wanted at Suffolk University dorm one of a of a vacant hospital that the Davis companies generously offered to the mayor. And that's social distancing masks. You know additional cleaning as of two weeks ago we did not have a single positive case telling. Linda, how did you mentioned the beginning to jared that you're I. Don't know if you said Lucky enough but you were able to universal testing. How did that come about I? Mean as you know somebody people can't get tests, Sony people get tests don't get results turn around and so slow for a week. How were you able to pull this off? Well. Great part series at healthcare for the homeless. Me Happened doing a some what I would call cluster testing and testing based on symptoms and what we found out is that testing a questionnaire. And a temperature check wasn't really an accurate. Picture of who in fact is positive because many people were as symptomatic and so even with that questionnaire and the temperature check, we were coming back about one in six and healthcare homeless and we were alarmed enough that we went to the states party click out and said were very worried. We have a cluster here. Well, it turned out the numbers were double that initial set of testing and the State Department of Health who's worried about it for for lots of reasons right they wanted to. Get a handle on additional spread among homeless people. But you know most homeless people because they don't have a place to live or out and about especially during the day you're out on the street they're in libraries there you know in in restaurants they are across the city. So that's why they agree to universal testing and I think we were the first homeless agency in the country to be able to do universal testing, but that really set us up for. How to May. Contain the spread as much as we could. You. It's incredible that you've had this level of success with one of the most vulnerable populations when the rest of the population for reasons we won't get into. Hasn't been able to do so many of the things that you've been able to do. With your guests how about the staff I mean, I said this to you a few months ago and you're the stress level. I don't I don't have any idea how you deal with a normal times much less these abnormal ones and the wonderful people with whom you work, how are they weathering this both mentally and? Physically. It has been again we we're used to crisis here at street Dan Right people are in crisis every single day we deal with all kinds of things whether emergencies, other kinds of emergencies, but this has been the hardest. Time we've ever been through I think the stress level for everybody is through the roof we had sixty. APP who tested positive he had aids who ended up in the hospital very thankfully everybody's doing better. All at one staff person are are back at work but to watch people you know you've worked with for. Ten twenty years get sick when through absolutely, no fault of their own was devastating and the knights of just prayer and and just hoping that that people don't K- in. Not only for the people who got sick but the. The, the staff you know working every day on the front lines and through this entire pandemic are shelter staff, the outreach staff, the kitchen staff when you are are permanent housing. All were here through it all and bore the brunt of. The I think that. Not, only the stress but the world blanks idea of of you know coming into work every day and doing put to stay save and protect the gas in the tenants. We'll speaking of some of the responsibilities of the staff I'm wondering how how you create the awareness among your homeless population who is staying with you about what they have to do in the measures they have to take. As you mentioned, they're they're out in the world they don't have the access to information that we all have. So how do you keep on top of that? You know it's interesting. Gerard, we did not have masks in the beginning of this. It's not something we've used on a regular basis and the. Scrambling and with the work, we had to do to get any mass homemade masks surgical. Now's anything's get our hands on and you know we're all convinced that obviously contributed to a pretty quick and substantial spread. But once we had protective equipment, it was not. To get I would say ninety five percent of the guests are wearing masks. Now, we reached out to our our volunteer base anybody who was making mass and said, would you be willing to make masks? So we have a good supply of home made mass that we wander every day. So we've made them readily available for people. We do have some guests who you know suffer from mental illness or have healthcare conditions. We were these harder to get them to comply, but that's the minority and you don't WanNa be safe to. There is worried about this as the rest of us. They don't want to get sick and you know if you're homeless and you get this virus, you're going to have to be isolated quarantine. You can't do that in shelter. There's a lot of concern about can have shelter bed what if I have to the hospital for two or three weeks or have to warn team no, we're going to have a place to stay when I get out and people know that. So interestingly enough we've had we had like good compliance with masts. After having heard, you say a couple of we're speaking of Linda down to who obviously runs Pine Street in and has for a long time I feel. So guilt ridden ask this next question after you said, this is the most difficult period you've ever endured near thirty years here. We know that the so-called I don't know what trump calls executive order moratorium on housing evictions foreclosures toothless. We know that while the governor did extend the house, the eviction foreclosure moratorium through October seventeenth that it doesn't cause rent obligations the disappear just defers them. How are you planning for? What's so many? Of Your colleagues in the housing world are predicting is going to be a crisis of historic proportions in crisis of historic proportions. Come whether it's later October November whenever whenever it is what are you doing about this well I think we're very concerned about it. We we know when the eviction moratorium expires that there will be a wave of addictions and while that takes some time right, we don't expect people you know the day the moratorium expires to walk in Ardmore. We do think over a period of Moss what we typically do see as when there's it's two or three months. Later, we are starting to see children are frankly we're very concerned about it. One of the problems we've got right now jim is that we've done a good job of de congregating shelters. But. What we've done at the moment is really just by ourselves some time until better solution. Whether, it's a vaccine or better treatments for this virus and so even. The. Temporary shelter weekly place. Is only for year. So we've actually wash shelter cassidy in the city, of Boston, because of the pandemic and so what you're going to see is decreased capacity with increased demand and were. Worried about it. Oh, the victim more during being lifted. But as unemployment runs out for people. That to anybody who's on the edge who's hanging in there you know a few months of. Nothing coming in on the revenue side is, is benefit people on the street. So we are pushing hard at the state level to really think about how do we but much more creative about getting housing faster and cheaper than we've done in the past. And we've. Talked you know state of California's buying hotels and converting them to studio arts formerly homeless people on nursing homes. Those are great opportunities that could be easily converted. Quickly and I think if there's some support at the state level. It could be done cheaper than how we've done housing built into the state. So unfortunately, I think a lot of this is going to be timing and I think there is going to be a gap and the more we can do one addiction prevention the better off we will all be. Speaking of of permanent housing, which you did a second ago I know that's the renewed focus of The Pine Street in which is spectacular and we've all read the globe about You're almost ready to break ground I guess in Jamaica. Plain, and you have to explain something quickly to me if you can. I read that someone. Is Challenging this after you did all this community outreach and the developer of whom you worked as community outreach parentally, no opposition and the argument being used in the litigation by the opponent is that there's not enough parking well. I was under the impression that a lot of people who were homeless who all of a sudden find a home are not going to be driving around in cars in great numbers my missing something. I think the the your. Descriptions really athlete Jim. This is building a two hundred two hundred and two units of affordable housing, hundred and fortieth, which will be for formerly homeless people and you know we've worked really closely with the city on this project and the people in P we had eighteen community meetings. We had overwhelming support trump people in JP, and I'm so grateful to the People J. JP who supported this project. We have one butter who has filed suit and it's heartbreaking that one person can slow down a project with like this when it's so desperately needed was desperately needed before this, but it's so badly needed. Now you know we're we're it is about harking and density we through the community process didn't take a full floor off the building we were originally six stories were now down to five and you're absolutely right we have eight hundred and fifty tenants and I'm aware of two tenants of the eight fifty that have cars you know. Even once your house if you're formerly homeless, you're you may well be on a fixed income if you're working, you're probably making minimum wage relying public transportation get about purchasing a car for the insurance you know paying for the maintenance theory she homeless people. Can Afford that. So we think the. Not Accurate at all, we do not see a need for additional parking there given where it is right? You know five minute walk from the street stay. Walk. Before we leave you can you I'm sure lots of people are listening to this and thinking you've done trait work. How can they help continue that great work? What can people do for you the homeless population in our area right now? You Know Jared I. would say we've been so lucky through this pandemic to have a lot of support from. Really, so many of our owners who have stepped up and and frankly the philanthropy really got us through this with. Away. All kinds of unexpected expense that just. Obviously not budgeted for in in in no way to pay for it. So I do want to say thank you. You know we did get a grant from the resiliency on that. The mere started that was huge health and getting has suffolk university dorm up and running. But if people want to support as they can go to the website, we'd be grateful for the help because we are in unprecedented times in almost every single day something new comes up that we just didn't anticipate either related to healthcare or related to helping people move. Out of shelter and into housing that you know these are times where. Just, we need every every bit of help we can get. So people go on the website. There's information that are on if you're interested in in giving interested in volunteering you're interested in making asks you know let us know so. We appreciate that and thank you. Linda. Just say as you go no, you won't like this but every time I talked to you I cannot believe you even exist i. mean you are really. You are unbelievable. You don't say anything because they know that kind of thing makes you squirm but you are really a treasure Linda. Thanks for your work and thanks your time. Well, thank you and thanks to our staff by the way he did all the work but thank you, dude. Linda Downey. Is the president and executive director of the Pine Street in which provides permanent supportive housing. Job, training and placement emergency shelter and street outreach to homeless men and women. Well. Thank you for listening to another edition. Of Boston public radio. You can tune in tomorrow for Attorney General. Maura. Healey's she's taking our questions and your calls are crew is Chelsea. Murs are June sings Matthews Hannah. You believe Aidan Connolly our engineers John. The clock Parker offsite engineers are Dave Goldstein and miles Smith coming up on. Greater Boston tonight I just want to say if anybody I mean there are a lot of wonderful important causes but I'm so glad you asked that thing he warned support. One of the most important and creative and forward-looking things going on the Pine Street in London our colleagues were consistent, other worldly, any case tonight, the mayor and Mayor Walsh, and the Superintendent of the Boston Public Schools are on together Marty Walsh and Brenda Cassius will be joining me and then to wall. Street. Journal reporter. Jennifer Levin's used to be providence journal Melissa Corn with their fabulous book. About the varsity blues thing unacceptable it's called privilege to see and the making of the college admissions scandal. So much detail of it is fabulously important and engaging, and obviously summer is ordinarily a time for teams to make money pretty tough summer. Livni's loss has great piece about how the Ball Greater Boston why is found a way to plug teens into vital works? That's all tonight at seven o'clock on. Government and show. Greater Boston that would be at seven o'clock another great day. Jared's pleasure to have you. Marjorie continues to whatever she's doing around the world. You'll be back tomorrow look forward to it. All right. Great to be with you as always. And again I'm. I forgot my name is Jerry and I am Jim Browley, thanks for tuning in. We hope to Siegen.

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Full Episode: Sunday, October 11, 2019

World News Tonight with David Muir

20:57 min | 1 year ago

Full Episode: Sunday, October 11, 2019

"Are you hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started indeed dot com slash tonight that's indeed dot com slash tonight tonight the emergency evacuations the wildfires now exploding in size seizing an online dashboard get started today at indeed dot com slash tonight that's indeed dot com slash tonight was not targeting. US troops we have the latest here at home the school district taking action tonight after one of its middle school teachers is recorded going on a racist rant those staying behind using anything even garden hoses to fight the fire authorities saying one man died as a result of this fire suffering cardiac arrest properties this woman suitcase packed on her knees praying firefighters can save her home out eight hundred acres per hour dozens of homes have already been burned to the ground many fleeing through those tunnels of fire the escape routes filled with blinding smoke and flames after a fender bender in the school parking lot the abduction from a playground tonight the FBI hunt underway for the man right now after a remarkable moment the US special forces in Syria tonight Turkey now saying the strike was in response to terrorists firing mortars near those US special forces saying Turkey three year old girl found alone church and Longtime Fox News Fixture Ship Smith reveals he's leaving the network what he said today on his last day in Los Angeles Communities Caught in eight whirlwind of fire settled rich fire exploding overnight more than a thousand firefighters and we're on the scene live tonight dramatic Dan Capitol Hill facing pressure from the State Department not to testify the former ambassador to Ukraine shows up at what she generating this massive firestorm take a look at the inferno down there we watched hundreds of acres burn but one hundred thousand people order in sunrise the fire scorching more than seven square miles helicopters and air tankers in full out assault that's eleven thousand earn deadly tonight the Saddle Ridge fire in the San Bernardino Valley bursting across more than seventy five hundred acres fire officials calling it a major emergency flames destroying it it's out of the US tonight is Rudy Giuliani part of this investigation to what we've learned Justin tonight president trump says he's reached to deal with China the first phase they're standing guard this basketball court the last line of defense before this house fighters using sauce to hack into gated says about President trump that he wanted her out it comes twenty four hours after two associates of Rudy Giuliani who helped investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine were arrested with one way ticket hundred gallons of retardant and when the fire line hits that it just stops residence now comforting one another some losing everything Easter he's what the Chinese are saying tonight the horrific attack in a shopping mall the man with a knife rampage near a starbucks the UK late today the explosion hey this is ABC news tonight with David Muir good evening it's great to have you with here very busy Friday night and we begin tonight with the emergency aww apartments and an all out battle against apocalyptic flames fueled those cowling Santa Anna winds the wind is so pow for all here it is news and strong winds gusting up to sixty miles per hour of course fueling the fires ABC's chief National Correspondent Matt Gut minutes on the scene he leads us off tonight inside the house popping off that fire apparently caused by burning trash from this garbage truck trash was dumped off to the side of the road evacuations underway right now a hundred thousand people on the move the wildfires exploding at least eight burning now across California to near Los Angeles they have the vegetation at least one person there did not survive so let's get back up and he's live tonight and we know the winds have been driving the fires met all day long gusting more than sixty miles per hour at some points and they're still red flag warnings and places we go into the night the wind is really been the story here David those red flags warnings expected to persist through the night and tomorrow night and with gusts of thirty miles an hour you can still feel it those fires are going to be kept alive now it was news from across that valujet saw that ignited this house incinerating it in just minutes all that's left is this chimney and the owners told me they only had time to get out with their passports San Bernardino the sandalwood fire incinerating dozens of structures in hours off those pops ammunition tonight we're following that blizzard warning in the middle of the country this is interstate twenty nine in Fargo North Dakota and we're tracking a Nor'easter right off the East Coast Meteorologist Rob Marciano tracking it all for us hey rob anyway behind closed doors Ivanovich told lawmakers she was forced from her job under pressure from president trump according to our opening statement obtained trump telling lawmakers she'd been told there was no wrongdoing on her part but that the president wanted her out and tonight twenty four hours after two associates of Rudy Giuliani were arrested it's and their lives David thinking about all those families tonight backup in thank you mentioned those red flag warnings are being extended in California through tomorrow night now all back you eight many driving through tunnels of fire but sitting in this hour fire crews scrambling to save homes and spread thin the New York Times she was abruptly told in late April to come back to Washington on the next plane Ivanovich says the Deputy Secretary of State explained that the president night for firefighters night critical fire danger extreme fire danger from inside adventure all the way down to San Diego improving somewhat tomorrow but there's GonNa be pockets of really bad stuff blizzard warnings still up false claims by people with clearly questionable motives and she placed blame squarely on the president's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani who claims Ivanovich was blocked king investigators from looking into trump's political opponents including Joe Biden that stems around the ambassador and the embassy being used for political purposes the former ambassador and had lost confidence in me and that there had been a concerted campaign against me even though she was assured I had done nothing wrong trump has made no see nations called the idea that she was disloyal to president trump fictitious she described herself as incredulous that she was removed from her post based on unfounded turn down to the dramatic day on Capitol Hill facing pressure from the State Department not to testify to former ambassador of Ukraine did in fact show up and what she said about President option policy in Ukraine today. ABC News has learned federal prosecutors are investigating the business relationship between Giuliani and those two men is Giuliani part of this investigation what we've now learned here's ABC's Mary Bruce Up until the very moment defiant Maria Banovic walked up to the cabin David Kohl front of that blizzard is slicing through Louisiana right now we're getting a thunderstorm this in in part creating those Santa Ana winds which are going to create another teach me inquiry trump called Ianovich bad news later saying she was going to go through some things today Yovanovic who has served in six administer at the trump hotel crane soon Ivanovich says those businessmen may well have believed that their personal financial ambitions were stymied by our anti it's of the Upper Midwest that low spinning into Canada the cold front slicing through we're looking at freeze warnings tomorrow morning wind chills are GonNa be in the twenty s from Chicago back through Oklahoma City and there's that Nor'easter as against the president especially now that they're able to question witnesses like Yvonna Vich today warned that they are corrupt interests fighting against the US quote selling baseless tariffs president trump plan to impose next week are now on hold and the markets sure liked it dow closing up more than three hundred points it's not a done deal it's not even in writing yet the president called it phase one the Chinese vice premier called it progress towards a positive direction but the new it'd smart he was never considered a good senator he was only a good vice president because he understood it should start an investigation into the by because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with they could have to find more land when the president announced this meeting last week he suggested he may ask the Chinese to investigate Joe Biden just as he had asked Ukraine China with respect to the by the president railed against Biden last night in deeply personal terms calling his son hunter a loser and you father was never rid of his disdain for the former ambassador very very bad things about it for a long period of done not good in the July phone call with the Ukrainian president that sparked this in are also points a finger at Giuliani's to business associates who were arrested this week trying to leave the country this video from twenty eighteen showing them laughing with Giuliani in for a rally in Louisiana twenty hours after launching one of his most vicious attacks yet on Joe Biden what he said overnight here's ABC's chief White House correspondent Jonathan Karl spiracy theories to anyone who will listen she said quote sadly someone was listening and that our nation was worse off because of it David Bruce live on the hill all day today for us tonight just a short time ago House Democrats holding a call at the end of a very busy week about how to move forward what are you learning tonight David Democratic leaders feel they are building a strong told lawyers for the whistle blower have informed the congressional committees that their client wants to answer questions in writing and not in person they have cited response to terrorists firing mortars near those US special forces saying Turkey was not targeting US troops ABC senior foreign correspondent Ian Panel in Syria for us again or let's get to Mary Bruce She's live up on the hill tonight and married a former ambassador today while testifying describing the State Department now as quote attacked and hollowed from within and we not thank you there is late word from the White House tonight president trump now saying he has reached phase one of a trade deal with China tonight what the Chinese are now saying the president announcing this deal before Lee Sern for the Whistle Blower Safety David Giancarl on a very busy week thank you John Late today the explosion near US special forces in Syria Turkey says the strike was a kiss Barack Obama's s Giancarl with us live at the White House tonight John President trump reporters short time ago attacking the impeachment Subtropical Storm Melissa we'll continue to slam this out the South East Coast doing here we got to get going back to Rob Marciano get back inside rob thank you onto explicit grid coordinate detail of the locations of US forces and Turkish shells also landing new one of the prisons holding isis militants raising although it wasn't clear if she was coming at all the State Department told her not to appear but facing a subpoena the former ambassador to Ukraine showed up uninjured but it comes just hours after the Pentagon promise took he knows where

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Full Episode: Thursday, October 22, 2020

World News Tonight with David Muir

15:02 min | 5 d ago

Full Episode: Thursday, October 22, 2020

"Tonight the final debate president trump and Joe Biden facing off in Nashville. The candidates will now stand twelve feet apart on stage and the new rule tonight muting the Mike's during their two minute answers that opening both Mike stirring open discussion Joe Biden tonight. Tang. Expects personal attacks from the president the president hoping to turn around the polls John Carlos Mary Bruce Standing by new reporting tonight. After the alarming warning about election interference, you authorities say Russia and Iran have obtained voter registration information, and that Iran used that information to send threatening messages to some voters. Tonight, state and local elections officials have been warned to patch their systems beer thomas is standing by the. In the US surge across the south, the Midwest across much of this country nearly thousand deaths in twenty four hours for the first time. Since this summer the major move tonight by the FDA Rendez severe becoming the first drug to receive full approval the images from hospitals tonight in one ICU for patients to a room covered patients flipped onto their stomachs to help them breathe. Tonight, we do set a passenger who died while on a flight medical authorities. Now say the thirty eight year old passenger died from Kovin. Evacuations tonight in Colorado, the wildfires the sky turning orange one fire exploding in size authorities going door to door. Major news tonight of the Jeffrey Epstein Case Glenn Maxwell's twenty sixteen deposition. Now made public more than four hundred pages and what Maxwell repeatedly says. And news tonight about the police officers charged in the killing of George Floyd a judge dropping one charge against officer Derek Chauvet. From ABC News World Headquarters and. This is world news tonight. With data. Good evening. It's great to have you with us here on this Thursday night and tonight the final debate, the presidential candidates facing off on the same stage for the last time with just twelve days. Now until election day at least forty, seven, million, Americans have already cast their votes. That's ninety nine percent of the total early vote four years ago, and again, we have twelve days to go in the meantime to that new warning about election interference he was say. And Iran have obtained voter registration information and that Iran has used that information to send threatening messages to voters. Tonight, state and local elections. Officials have been warned to patch their systems and here's chief justice correspondent Pierre Thomas Tonight new details about alleged covert efforts by Russia, and Iran to weaponize illegally obtained information about American voters we are not going to tolerate foreign interference in our elections or any criminal activity that threatens the sanctity of your vote sources selling ABC News that two of America's primary adversaries successfully penetrated voter registration databases at the local level along with gathering voter data from publicly available sources, we have already seen Iran sending spoofed emails. Designed to intimidate voters incite social unrest while authorities see Russia as a greater threat intelligence officials pointed those missing emails allegedly sent from Iran to Democratic voters in Florida this week under the name. Proud boys one saying you're currently registered as a Democrat. You will vote for trump on election day a we will come after you. It was scary and knowing that they're using this information and blasting out to intimidate people is. Not. Comforting. Some of the boys which critics describe as a racist organization have openly supported president trump's reelection. At the first debate, the president failed to forcefully denounce them. Stand back and stand by bipartisan alarm about the attacks they want destroy our democracy but director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe accused of playing politics when he failed to make any reference to the threats against. Voters only portraying president trump as a victim of an Iranian smear campaign. Statements coming. From the intelligence community at. So, let's get the Pierre Thomas. He's with us live from Washington tonight, and here we got two questions for you. Tonight. I. Federal Authorities. As you reported, there have reached out to local agencies encouraging patch any holes in their system, and this question if adversaries were able to get in I, know authorities are now trying to reassure Americans that their votes will be safe. Yes. David Federal authorities reached out to state officials, warning them to be on alert. But all my sources are saying none of this should affect your ability to vote. There's no evidence bad. Guys can impact the systems that record your vote. David. Pierre Thomas, we know you'll stay on this here. Thank you and with early voting underway across the country and with so much concern. Over how to vote safely during this pandemic again, our partners at five thirty eight to put together an easy to use state by state guide on voting both in person and by mail go to ABC News Dot Com Slash W. N. T. Vote Twenty, twenty meantime the Corona virus of course will be a major issue on that debate stage tonight with cases, hospitalizations, and deaths. Across the country surging across the south, the Mid West and elsewhere, nearly a thousand Americans passing away from Covid in just twenty four hours tonight, the FDA has approved the first drug to treat cove in one thousand, nine hospitalizations rising in forty states six now hitting record highs, the billings Clinic Hospital in Montana, doubling up patients and converting offices into covert rooms patients on ventilators at the crowded El Paso Hospital. Tonight, we remember more than two hundred, twenty, two, thousand lives have been lost, and also that news from the FDA about Rendez severe that treatment for the virus doctors have been using experimentally tonight, the FDA has now fully approved the drug. Here's our chief national correspondent Matt Guffman. Tonight I'll pass whose biggest hospital slammed their four to a room in the ICU Kobe patients flipped on their stomachs to help them breathe new daily cases spiking about four hundred and fifty percent since October first the mayor pleading with residents we need your health, stop the spread. Please stay home. When possible the state sending in over seven hundred medical staff by the weekend, five ambulances and even hospital beds, Kobe lending heart in the heartland beds filling in Michigan and this er doctor worries it's about to get worse. I have great fears that we're just saying the tip of the iceberg nearly a thousand deaths across the country tonight, the deadliest in three weeks Montana also notching a record number of cases. The E. R. at the billings clinic is the busiest in the state. What does it mean when you have ten or a dozen people waiting for a room? It just puts additional stress on staff and somehow manager Brad von Bergen found rooms for all of them but his daily battle against the virus is deeply personal in July his sister, his stepfather, and then his mother became infected three weeks later she passed away she she was brought into the hospital admitted as a family we decided to. To bring it home. and. Across the country officials say covert is being spread by young. It's crowded in bars like this. In billings we showed Brad the video what do you make of that? Nobody's mask? There's no social distancing. Yeah. I it it. It worries me because. What I see, there are ten patients. I see people that go to their families and their parents and and they pass it on. The pictures from across the country tonight Matt up and back with us at the FDA today approving the Drug Rim Desa Veer as the first official treatment for covid nineteen. It's basically the gold seal of approval. David it means that the agency recognizes that REMM is relatively safe to use and that it's effective in shortening the duration of the virus and that means it can free up more budget slammed hospitals like the one behind me. David Reminder, we're heading into the colder season with that snow falling on your there in Montana Matt thank you now evacuations tonight, the wildfire emergency. In the West red flag warnings across six states. Tonight, one fire in Colorado, exploding in size overnight authorities are now going door to door strong winds fueling the flames more homes are threatened tonight, ABC's Clayton Sandell. Now, from Colorado, tonight Colorado is burning the east troublesome fire exploding overnight west of Denver growing six times in size to one hundred and twenty-five thousand acres got claiming jump off the top of the you know three or four, hundred foot under a dark orange midday sky they started evacuating the town of estes park the entire town of Grand Lake, forced to flee overnight. Sheriff's deputies racing door to door. It's pretty scary. everybody all my friends we got out. We call each other. The fire is burning six thousand acres. Our we plan for the worst. This is the worst of the worst. The worst it's now the fourth largest fire in Colorado. History already forcing the closure of all of Rocky Mountain National Park. Less than twelve miles away, the cameron peak fire also burning, it's the largest in state history. The cal would fire also forcing families to make dramatic escapes seven fires. Now, scorching the state burning more than three, hundred, seventy, five, thousand acres and David Right. Now it is the win that is pushing these flames. You can see right here below me a whole that is just on the edge of the fire here they don't even know how many homes they have lost in this fire the flames are moving so fast they simply can't contain this fire right now they're just trying to get people evacuated and save lives David thinking about so many people there in Colorado heading into the night. Clayton thank you. The news continues and to the Jeffrey Epstein case tonight that key deposition from Glenn Maxwell now accused of enabling Epstein, it's now been made public four hundred page transcript and what she repeated repeatedly claims here's ABC's Adrian Bankers Tonight, a just released deposition transcripts gives a glimpse into what Gillan Maxwell said under oath in 2016 repeatedly denying any knowledge or participation and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's alleged sexual abuse of girls in a contentious deposition made public today under court order Maxwell testifies I never saw any inappropriate underage activities with Jeffrey. and. Also claiming at the time I was present the people that gave Jeffrey. Miniature women who gave Jeffrey massages were adults over the age of eighteen. The redacted transcripts stems from two thousand fifteen defamation case brought by Virginia defray who accused Maxwell, and Epstein in court filings of directing her to have sex with prominent men including Prince Andrew when she was a minor in the deposition. Maxwell repeatedly claims Jofre is lying about her calling jofre and exaggerate or a fantasist, and absolutely true terrible person Maxwell also claims not to remember this photograph purporting to show Jofre Prince Andrew and herself. The prince whose name is redacted in the transcripts has denied you phrase allegations Epstein died by suicide in jail while awaiting trial on charges of sex trafficking and conspiracy in New York. And Maxwell is being held on charges of perjury and helping recruit those young girls for Epstein. In this Brooklyn jail her lawyers had sought her release on five million dollars bond but were denied David Adrian Banker Tonight Adrian. Thank you. A Minnesota judge tonight has upheld eight nine charges against the former police officers in the George fully case Derek show seen with his neon Floyd's next still facing second degree, unintentional murder and manslaughter charges bill. was dropped. The other three officers had all charges upheld each facing aiding and abetting murder manslaughter trial for all four is set for March. Right now, small businesses have to be more efficient than ever, and that means higher is critical indeed is here to help indeed, Dot com is the number one job site in the world because they get you the best people fast you only pay for what you need can pause your at accounted anytime, and there are no long term contracts right now indeed is offering our listeners a free seventy, five dollars credit to boost the visibility of your job post at indeed dot com slash David m indeed dot com slash David m terms and conditions apply offer valid through December thirty first. News tonight about the mid air death of a passenger on Spirit Airlines. Medical officials are now revealing that the thirty eight year old woman became unconscious and died from covid nineteen while flying from Las Vegas to Dallas this was over the summer. The flight had been diverted albuquerque at the time airport officials didn't know she was infected now they're saying it was covid nineteen. There's no word on how many people on board may have been exposed to the virus. We are tracking that early winter blast across seven states tonight from Montana Michigan heavy snow moving in at dangerous commute home for drivers in the Minneapolis area and north of the twin cities up to six inches of snow expected some areas and brutal cold right behind it. Finally, tonight here, the running man he America strong. Tonight fifty nine year old Dan editor for Dexter. Michigan is automation stretching lacing up his shoes, Dana's training to run for marathons and twenty four hours this weekend. The first words out of their mouth is you must be crazy Dan is a cancer survivor and completed his first marathon last year he also fosters dogs with his wife. Janet. This year with fundraisers canceled because of the pandemic Dan got the idea to run four marathons about one hundred, five miles in twenty four hours his goal to raise fifty thousand dollars. For local nonprofits, bark nation and wagging tails, dog rescue both of them are completely volunteer base. So every dollar that gets donated will ultimately go to support the dogs the teams they're grateful. We are one hundred percent funded off of the generosity of people like you who are touched by your story, all the dogs that come into our organization go directly to the homes of our authors. You could follow Dan's progress on his website Waggin Bark race right here tonight I said Dan telling us he's ready I. Know it's crazy. CLEO thinks it's crazy to. But you know what? We're going to have fun ever good night You have a good day to Cleo with the cameo and we're all rooting for you Dan and all those dogs you hope to help good night. Now when it matters most the straightforward facts, ABC News America's number one. News number one in the morning number one in the evening and the number one show on all television number one in late night versus the competition number one in politics versus the competition, the number one daytime talk show. Number one streaming. Most trusted most watched ABC News is America's number one news.

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